|| *Comments on the 2010 BUBBA Burger 250:* View the most recent comment <#61> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Cooper posted: 04.30.2010 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell Yeah! Brad and that #22 team is rolling. They made the right decision to get the tires for the GWC. I was surprised more teams didn't decide to stay out. Other then the GWC, it was the Brad show as he led 189 of 252 laps en route to his second consecutive victory. This is his 8th straight top 5 finish and has now cemented himself as the top championship candidate. Brad is now the only Nationwide driver to run every lap this season as Paul Menard finished 1 lap down. On a little different note, Greg Biffle continues to show his abilities as he takes second place with the #27 Ford. In the two races without Biffle, no top 10's. In the 7 races with Biffle, the car has 3 top 5's and 6 top 10's. Brad is running with the most confidence I have ever seen in him, and I believe eventually his Nationwide success will turn into success at the top level. More and more I see Brad, more he reminds me of a 1980's type racer. Congratulations to Brad and the #22 Ruby Tuesday Dodge on their second consecutive win. 2. Cooper posted: 04.30.2010 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In addition, Brad scores his first ever Perfect driver rating(150.0). 3. dUDE gUY posted: 04.30.2010 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dominating race by Keselowski. Also, this makes two races in a row that Keselowski makes a last-lap pass for the win. 4. The Zeusian posted: 04.30.2010 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was the first Nationwide race since 1998 that Johnny Chapman went the distance. 5. 18fan posted: 04.30.2010 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski led 188 straight laps. There was great racing, just not for the lead. He had them beat tonight. Hopefully he doesn't become one of those guys remembered mainly for their Nationwide Series success. I don't think he will, he'll get a fluky win and some wins he'll drive his ass off to win. 6. RLewis9 posted: 04.30.2010 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought Edwards was black flagged? 7. Anonymous posted: 05.01.2010 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They withdrew the black flag because he "gave the position back", even though I don't think he did. He got back behind Keselowski, but only because Allgaier got in his way. 8. Brandon Caldwell posted: 05.01.2010 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad and Brian Keselowski become only the second pair of brothers ever in the Nationwide/Busch Series to finish at both ends of the field (1st and 43rd). The last time it happened was in the 1990 Budweiser 200 at Dover Downs when Michael Waltrip won the race, and Darrell finished last. I did that research all on my own race by race and clicking on only wins by drivers with brothers. This is only the second time this has happened. 9. RaceFanX posted: 05.01.2010 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) After last week it is really really unsurprising that the #92 had to start and park. 10. Cfob posted: 05.01.2010 - 2:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Way to go Brad! While he was winning at Richmond, I was at the track he got his start at. Kinda bummed I didn't get to see such a dominating performance, but nonetheless, I'm happy to see Brad take the win. 11. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.01.2010 - 8:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to the whole Penske organization. They have got their NWide cars rolling. I hate that Justin Allgaier only finished 15th, he ran 2nd or 3rd all night, but they were strong again and that #12 team is gonna win some more races this year. And the #22 team is simply outstanding. They are making fast cars every single week. I just hope this success can spill over to the Cup side for them. I think, as far as the Cup side for Brad, the 2nd half of the year, when they revisit tracks for the 2nd time as a team, will be telling. Good run by Kelly Bires in his new ride at Braun Racing. I hope they can find sponsorship to run a lot of races for him, and he can prove his worth. Speaking of sponsorship, what is up with this new law that will cause the #27 team to lose the Red Man sponsorship? It has been a fun story this year watching Greg breathe new life into a stand alone NWide team. I hope they can find a new sponsor. And a big Kiss My Ass to the government who made that law. Tobacco is a LEGAL product. I don't use any, but anyone over 18 can LEGALLY. Is it harmful? Yes, but so is alcohol, energy drinks, and pork. Lol. Kevin is still mad over losing Shell. I guess he is gonna try to take it out on the whole Penske organization now. Good luck with that moron. Do I need to draw him a diagram? He went 3 years without winning for them. It got so bad they decided KURT BUSCH of all people would be better for them. I think he's just mad cause he lost his free agent bargaining chip. He was counting on Shell to get him out of RCR, but now he will probably have to stay. 12. Cooper posted: 05.01.2010 - 8:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brandon Caldwell posted: Brad and Brian Keselowski become only the second pair of brothers ever in the Nationwide/Busch Series to finish at both ends of the field (1st and 43rd). The last time it happened was in the 1990 Budweiser 200 at Dover Downs when Michael Waltrip won the race, and Darrell finished last. I did that research all on my own race by race and clicking on only wins by drivers with brothers. This is only the second time this has happened. Thank you very much. I was trying to figure out the same thing, but got lazy. That is a pretty cool stat right there. Keep up the good work. Will Brian K ever have a chance with a decent race team? It's hard to prove yourself when you finish last after running 5 laps. It also hurts when your younger brother is setting the series on fire. The Carl Edwards thing is sketchy as well. He didn't give the position back, Brad passed him, and really he got it back like 1 second later when he passed Allgaier. I'm pretty sure the rule states, you have to give the position back for a sustained amount of time(straightaway, at least giving him a chance to protect it). Whatever, Carl is 203 back and hasn't looked good this year. 13. Ryan posted: 05.01.2010 - 8:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For some reason Brian put Johnny Chapman in his 26 car, and Brian went in the 92 car which has start and parked every race except talladega. 14. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.01.2010 - 9:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think they made the right call on Carl. I don't like Carl at all, but fair is fair, and he gave the position back. 15. Willy on Wheels posted: 05.01.2010 - 11:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "For some reason Brian put Johnny Chapman in his 26 car, and Brian went in the 92 car which has start and parked every race except talladega. " If I were a start-and park driver on a struggling team who parked to fund my teammate, I would want a shot in the good car as well. 16. JamieMcmurrayFan posted: 05.01.2010 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Kez deserves a good ride (even though he blew the 28 at JRR). He started of this year with a bang, and has been terrible since. He even got a true-sponsor now, he just has bad luck. 17. rw posted: 05.01.2010 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Brad!, like I said I like seeing him win races, it's more exciting. Props to Biffle on the 2nd place run and Jamie Mac in 3rd.zInteresting, how Joe Nemechek must be taking my advice, that he should stay out the longest out of the S&P cars, to get more money and points. 18. Smokefan05 posted: 05.01.2010 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I missed the race but congrats to Brad. I hope Roger can get Brad the same success in the Cup series. 19. Bronco posted: 05.01.2010 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I just hope this success can spill over to the Cup side for them." Lol, don't get your hopes up. Carl had a kickass season in Nationwide last year, and none of that translated into Cup success for him, and still hasn't. I hate to break it to you, but even if Krashalotski wins the Nationwide championship this year, it's not going to turn the #12 Cup team into anything better than a 20th-25th place car. Nice to see the Big Mac get a 3rd place finish, the best for a JRM car in 2010. Kelly Bires sticks it to JRM with an 11th place in the #10 while Arpin finishes 3 laps down. Kenseth gets a top 10 in his first start with the #16, proving that team's struggles were because of a driver who couldn't keep his car off the wall. They will be locked in the top 30 next week barring something unexpected. 20. joey2448 posted: 05.01.2010 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) boy, those espn announcers really suck...the way they call the races make it seem so artificial and fake. good finish, though! 21. Watto posted: 05.01.2010 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, you're obviously an intelligent guy... don't make yourself look worse by saying childish things like "Krashalotski". The reputation that Brad has really holds no water. Maybe you should make up a good nickname for Kyle Busch, because he has wrecked more far more cars than Brad has this year (I've been keeping track) 22. Bronco posted: 05.01.2010 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Bronco, you're obviously an intelligent guy... don't make yourself look worse by saying childish things like "Krashalotski"." Seems to me that if Michael Waltrip, Dale Jr, Carl Edwards, Paul Menard, Steve Wallace can all have their own creative little nicknames on this site, then saying Krashalotski shouldn't be too much of a problem. "The reputation that Brad has really holds no water." Go watch some races from the 2009 Nationwide season and then tell me if you still feel the same way. And I don't know why Allen Bestwick called this race, but it was awesome to hear his voice again (although Marty Reid is still pretty good). 23. Kyle Busch posted: 05.01.2010 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Woo, I only need 2,967,800 more dollars after the Nationwide race to pay off subcontractors for building my new headquarters. 24. Cooper posted: 05.01.2010 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just rewatched Brad's final stop, and man he should of got penalized. Over half his car was over the commitment line. That's a penalty. I thought it was only his right sides, but it wasn't even close. NASCAR made a mistake. I'm glad that NASCAR helped him out, but I can't make any guess on why he wasn't penalized... 25. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 05.01.2010 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Brad! I don't like seeing Cup regulars win in NW as much as the next guy, but as long as it's one of my favorite drivers I'll enjoy it as it happens. He's got a kickass team for the Nationwide side this year, I wish his Cup team were this good (although I think they're on their way to building up). 26. Watto posted: 05.01.2010 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Go watch some races from the 2009 Nationwide season and then tell me if you still feel the same way." I watched em... Memphis was definitely his stand-out race. He was absolutely driving over his head at Memphis. He made some mistakes here and there, but for the bulk of his career, and especially at this very moment, he certainly isn't crashing himself or others often. 27. Cfob posted: 05.01.2010 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lol, don't get your hopes up. Carl had a kickass season in Nationwide last year, and none of that translated into Cup success for him, and still hasn't. I hate to break it to you, but even if Krashalotski wins the Nationwide championship this year, it's not going to turn the #12 Cup team into anything better than a 20th-25th place car." No, but running a full season in Cup will give him seat time, which will make the 12 team better than a team with a 23rd place average. He's already beaten David Stremme's best finish in the car, and he's finished 16th or better in five of the last six races. Expect better finishes from the 12 in the second half of the season. 28. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.02.2010 - 9:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I just rewatched Brad's final stop, and man he should of got penalized. Over half his car was over the commitment line. That's a penalty." Actually at Richmond, the rule is you only have to have your left side tires over the line, which he did. And yes, Brad's reputation is way overblown. To hear some people speak of him, you'd think he runs into everyone every week. Has he had some dust ups? Of course. Guess who else has? Everyone. It's just that Brad's have come against the egocentric Cup divas who think everyone who isn't a Cup regular in NWide should just roll over for them. Hamlin and Edwards. 29. Kit posted: 05.03.2010 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seems to me that if Michael Waltrip, Dale Jr, Carl Edwards, Paul Menard, Steve Wallace can all have their own creative little nicknames on this site, then saying Krashalotski shouldn't be too much of a problem." All of them earned their nicknames. Brad K. does not crash that often on his own accord. 30. Talon64 posted: 05.03.2010 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski's only been as aggressive as anyone else ever has, and it looks like he's already learned from what mistakes he's made and is racing within his limits. "Go watch some races from the 2009 Nationwide season and then tell me if you still feel the same way." Unlike another certain driver who continues to make the boneheaded moves and retaliations he was doing 5 years ago. It's too bad Allgaier finished 15th when he deserved better but I still think he's got a shot at the championship. Going back to Nationwide might've been the smartest thing Reed could've done, he's with a great organization in Braun Racing and running top five, top ten every race and showing he deserves another shot at Cup, albeit his last. And Brendan Gaughan's been running well lately while Steven's been plummeting down the standings after a good start to the season. Jason Leffler's really sucked this year too and I wonder how long it'll be before he gets canned and replaced, maybe by Bires? 31. Talon64 posted: 05.03.2010 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad Keselowski scored his 8th career Nationwide win, and it's the first time he's ever won back-to-back races. Dodge has 3 wins this year after going winless the last 2 seasons (they won 4 races in 2007, two each for Evernham and Ganassi). Brad's 8th straight top five ties a career high set last season. Greg Biffle finished 2nd for the 2nd time this season. The last win for the #27 (Baker Curb, Brewco) was 2005 with David Green, and the last win for Mike Curb was 2003 with Johnny Sauter. Jamie McMurray's 3rd is his best Nationwide finish since 2006, a 3rd at Watkins Glen driving for RWI. Kyle Busch's 4th was his 8th top five in 13 Richmond starts. Between Cup and Nationwide he has 17 top fives in 24 starts. Carl Edwards' 5th was his 6th straight top ten at Richmond. He has 6 top fives in 11 Nationwide Richmond starts including 3 wins but a 5th in the Cup race was his first top five in 11 Cup starts there. Joey Logano colleced his 5th straight top ten with a 6th place finish. His career best was 6 straight top tens, set last season (in his starts). Kevin Harvick's 7th is his first stand-alone top ten of the season, and is tied for the most top tens this season with Keselowski with 8. Reed Sorenson's 8th place finish is his 6th top ten in 7 races driving the #32 Braun car. The #32's 8th top ten is tied with the #22, #33 and #20 for the most this season. Brendan Gaughan finished 9th, his 3rd top ten in the last 5 races. He's gone from 16th to 9th in the standings in the last 4 races. Matt Kenseth finished 10th in his first Nationwide of the season after subbing in for Colin Braun. Matt only ran as high as 6th in the race. The #16 is now 31st in the owners standings, just 2 points behind the #81 for 30th. Kelly Bires finished 11th in his return to Braun Racing after being fired from JR Motorsports. The #10 moved up from 30th to 27th in the owners standings, giving it some breathing room. James Buescher was the highest finishing rookie in 12th, just his 4th top 20 finish but 2nd in the last 3 races. It started off a solid weekend for him where he ran top five in the Truck race at Kansas in his first race for Turner Motorsports. Jason Keller backed up his 4th place finish at Talladega with a 14th at Richmond. The #35 is now up to 33rd in the owners standings, 75 points behind 30th despite missing 3 races. Justin Allgaier finished outside the top 10 for a 4th straight race after starting the year with 5 straight top tens. But he hasn't finished worse than 15th yet. In fact in 48 career Nationwide starts he's only finished outside the top 20 twelve times. Coleman Pressley, son of longtime NASCAR driver Robert Pressley, finished his first Nationwide race after S&P'ing his first 5 races last year and crashing out at Bristol this season. He finished 18th. 32. Watto posted: 05.03.2010 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And Brendan Gaughan's been running well lately while Steven's been plummeting down the standings after a good start to the season." Steve's been having really terrible luck. Got wrecked courtesy of Ricky Stenhouse at Talladega, but at Richmond he had a great car and ended up restarting in the back due to a pit road penalty, then cut a tire down and had to race for the lucky dog all race. Unfortunately, the 40 lap run that he was in the lucky dog position stayed green until Leffler fell a lap down. Wallace could've easily got a top 5 here at Richmond, but had terrible luck. His car was flying. 33. Bronco posted: 05.04.2010 - 4:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's just that Brad's have come against the egocentric Cup divas who think everyone who isn't a Cup regular in NWide should just roll over for them. Hamlin and Edwards." Call Hamlin and Edwards whatever you want, at least they're not falling flat on their faces in Cup. As it stands, Causeawreckski has the same number of top tens right now as Kevin Conway and other FRM cars. "All of them earned their nicknames. Brad K. does not crash that often on his own accord." You're right, he doesn't own crash on his own, he just crashes into others. Perhaps the name Causeawreckski is more suitable for him, you decide. This is the fourth straight race that John Wrecks Weekly has been benched from the #21, and Casey Mears is going to drive at Nashville and Kentucky. How do they expect him to learn and improve if he's not getting any seat time? 34. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.04.2010 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Call Hamlin and Edwards whatever you want, at least they're not falling flat on their faces in Cup." First of all, Kes has more Cup wins than Carl since 2009 started. And I wouldn't call what he's doing falling on his face by any means. 35. Talon64 posted: 05.04.2010 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "First of all, Kes has more Cup wins than Carl since 2009 started. And I wouldn't call what he's doing falling on his face by any means." And Carl's been the one falling on his face in Cup, going from 9 wins in a year to none in the last 46 and becoming an afterthought not only on the track but even within Roush. Brad doesn't have near the expectations that Carl has and if anything he's been beating them through Nationwide and last year in Cup, only hitting his first bump in the road now. 36. Bronco posted: 05.04.2010 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "First of all, Kes has more Cup wins than Carl since 2009 started." Ha, and I sure hope he enjoyed it, because I'm sure you know all too well what happens to most guys who win their first race at Talladega. Davey Allison was the only one of them to have a career worth a damn. "And I wouldn't call what he's doing falling on his face by any means." As far as the current season is concerned, Carl is 11th in points, and Causeawreckski is 26th with the same number of top tens as Hornish, the TRG, Furniture Row and FRM cars. Yeah, I'd call that falling on his face. He's basically running the so called "JJMRT" for the same reasons that other Cup drivers do - to inflate their egos and take advantage of their Cup team's superior equipment to win in a series that should be for guys like Allgaier, Wallace, Gaughan, Lagasse, Leffler etc. Yet for some reason, people are rooting him in this series while at the same time complaining whenever Kevin or Carl or Kyle wins. Go figure. And what about Hamlin? Oh that's right, he's out there winning races with an injured knee and moving up the points each week. I'd like to see Causeawreckski, or hell, any other driver do that. 37. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.04.2010 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ha, and I sure hope he enjoyed it, because I'm sure you know all too well what happens to most guys who win their first race at Talladega. Davey Allison was the only one of them to have a career worth a damn." But nobody has done it in a rented car for a start and park team. "Causeawreckski is 26th with the same number of top tens as Hornish, the TRG, Furniture Row and FRM cars. Yeah, I'd call that falling on his face." Not really. For his first full season with a completely rebuilt #12 team he isn't doing bad. They just have to figure out how to put a full race together. The biggest key is you never see him running 30th or worse. Compared to how Logano was doing last year, I think they are in a good position. They just have to improve. They have finished 16th or better in 5 of their last 6 races. Is that great? No. But it is a good start for where the #12 team was at. "And what about Hamlin? Oh that's right, he's out there winning races with an injured knee and moving up the points each week. I'd like to see Causeawreckski, or hell, any other driver do that." Bill Elliott won at Atlanta in 1985 after BREAKING his leg in the previous race. Terry Labonte won late in 1996 with a BROKEN hand to basically seal the Winston Cup that year. In 1983 Dale Earnhardt had to have left leg surgery and won twice in Bud Moore's unreliable Fords. Richard Petty won the Daytona 500 only a short while after having half his stomach removed with ulcers. And Ricky Rudd won a race on the old Richmond Fairgrounds with his eyelids duct taped opened. Playing in pain is nothing new in NASCAR. 38. Bob posted: 05.04.2010 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, Allen Bestwick called this race because Marty Reid was in Kansas calling the IndyCar race for ABC. 39. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 05.04.2010 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They have finished 16th or better in 5 of their last 6 races. Is that great? No." Exactly. That stat is nothing special, but to say that Brad's fallen on his face is a little absurd when you take this fact into consideration. And yes, I'm aware he's outside of the top-20 in points still. But if they keep this up, they'll get there. I guess David Reutimann and Marcos Ambrose have fallen on their faces too, since they're even lower in points than Brad is. 40. Bronco posted: 05.05.2010 - 5:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But nobody has done it in a rented car for a start and park team." Um, the fact that they rented an ex-Hendrick car just for that one race means that there was nothing start and park about it. If the #09 had used one of the Dodges that Mike Bliss did S&Ps with on a regular basis, it would be a different story. Nice try though. "They just have to figure out how to put a full race together." Funny, they never had that problem when Ryan Newman was around. "The biggest key is you never see him running 30th or worse. Compared to how Logano was doing last year, I think they are in a good position." When you have a driver with 2+ years in Nationwide and about half a season worth of Cup experience, you better not be running 30th or worse. "Playing in pain is nothing new in NASCAR." I know all about how the old school drivers toughed it out, but its not something you see too often in the last ten years at least. "I guess David Reutimann and Marcos Ambrose have fallen on their faces too, since they're even lower in points than Brad is" Reutimann and Ambrose have had 5 engine related DNFs in 20 combined races this year. Without those, they would be top 20 in points at least. 41. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.05.2010 - 9:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Um, the fact that they rented an ex-Hendrick car just for that one race means that there was nothing start and park about it. If the #09 had used one of the Dodges that Mike Bliss did S&Ps with on a regular basis, it would be a different story. Nice try though." The point is that the team was not accustomed to a) preparing a car to run a full race b) running a car for a full race and c) strategizing for something other than which lap they'd park. It was a Hendrick car, but not a Hendrick team. "Funny, they never had that problem when Ryan Newman was around." From 2006 onward they had a huge problem with that. "I know all about how the old school drivers toughed it out, but its not something you see too often in the last ten years at least." That's because of all the safety advancements. Drivers rarely get injured in wrecks anymore. Most injuries (Johnson's wrist, Edward's foot, Hamlin's hand in '06, Hamlin's leg this year) happen outside the car. 42. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.05.2010 - 9:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Exactly. That stat is nothing special, but to say that Brad's fallen on his face is a little absurd when you take this fact into consideration." I know. Look, we know he isn't lighting the world on fire, and we never said he is. But to call it "falling on his face" is a big time stretch. I think it is a nice start for a completely reconstructed team for an organization that has been mostly erratic over the last decade. When you look at their first 10 races together, Cali and Vegas are the only two races in which they never ran good at any portion of the race. Hell, considering they blew a tire 10 laps into the Daytona race, got flipped by Steriod Carl at Atlanta, and got swept up in the Big One at Dega after being broadsided by Ambrose on pit road, 26th isn't that bad. As RCR And Penske guy said, Reut and Ambrose have had the same amount of bad luck, and are doing worse in the points. Again, I'm not saying they are doing great, but to call it a disaster, especially just 10 races in, is going off the deep end. A "disaster" is a 10th year driver that won 15 races in his first 5 years FINISHING 25th in points when his teammates finished in the Top 5 in points. 43. Cooper posted: 05.05.2010 - 10:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was Brad's 26th consecutive lead lap finish. I believe he is 7 away from Kevin Harvick's record 33 in a row. 44. Bronco posted: 05.05.2010 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The point is that the team was not accustomed to a) preparing a car to run a full race b) running a car for a full race and c) strategizing for something other than which lap they'd park." Bullshit. The #09 team has always run the full distance at RP tracks and either missed other events, started and parked in those, or ran a very limited schedule. That team has had some modest success by finishing top 5 in the Daytona 500 with your best friend Geoff Bodine and Mike Wallace. So yes, I think they know pretty well how to prepare the car for RP races. "When you look at their first 10 races together, Cali and Vegas are the only two races in which they never ran good at any portion of the race." Did you watch Martinsville, Phoenix, or Texas? His car sucked then, he ran 20th or worse most of the race but was saved with all the lucky dogs and wavearounds. Anyhow, since you brought up Hamlin and Edwards, my point was just that Causeawreckski is getting smoked by them in Cup. And you can argue with me all you want, but the (lack of) points tell the story. 45. Cooper posted: 05.05.2010 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm going to stay out of this argument... But Bronco since when was finishing in the 10-15 positions in Cup with a new team falling on your face? I'm content with Brad's performance on the Cup side, and amazed with his Nationwide performances. I think Brad is on the right track! 46. Talon64 posted: 05.05.2010 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anyhow, since you brought up Hamlin and Edwards, my point was just that Causeawreckski is getting smoked by them in Cup. And you can argue with me all you want, but the (lack of) points tell the story." Carl's hardly been smoking anyone, an irrelevant 11th in the standings who needed 10 races just to get his first top five and first laps led on the season. All for a guy with 50 top fives and over 2000 laps led in his first 4 seasons but hardly anything since. Keselowski's already showing noticable improvement in the #12 and only has up to go while the only direction Carl's been heading lately is down. I can also point out Keselowski's 7 NASCAR wins since the start of 2009, 1 Cup and 6 Nationwide, compared to Carl's 5 wins which are all in Nationwide. That being said Hamlin's been kicking everyone's ass with the exception of Jimmie lately, 6 wins in his last 26 races and living up to people's preseason expectations. Unlike Carl last season. 47. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 05.05.2010 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and amazed with his Nationwide performances." I wouldn't say that I'm amazed with Brad's Nationwide performances, but as I said earlier, I'll enjoy his success as it comes even though I don't like seeing Cup drivers walk over everyone else with their Cup teams. "Carl's hardly been smoking anyone, an irrelevant 11th in the standings who needed 10 races just to get his first top five and first laps led on the season. All for a guy with 50 top fives and over 2000 laps led in his first 4 seasons but hardly anything since." No kidding. Going into 2009, I thought Carl was going to haul ass but instead he went winless for the second time in his career and only scored 7 top-5's all season. Plus the Biff and Kenseth are outperforming him right now. I don't know what it's gonna take to get that team back up to where it was in '08. 48. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.06.2010 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you guys for backing me up. And again, when did I say he is doing better than Carl or Denny in Cup? But I will say this: Of the three (Brad, Carl, and Denny) I think Brad should be the most content with his situation when you consider each of their respective circumstances. Carl and Denny, at seperate times within the last few years, have been expected to be contending for championships. Carl isn't even close at this point, and Denny has been wildly erratic. Are they doing better than Brad? Yes. Obviously. 49. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.06.2010 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That team has had some modest success by finishing top 5 in the Daytona 500 with your best friend Geoff Bodine and Mike Wallace. So yes, I think they know pretty well how to prepare the car for RP races." That was 2002 and 2003. With the old car. Brad's win was 5 years later with the COT. "Did you watch Martinsville, Phoenix, or Texas? His car sucked then, he ran 20th or worse most of the race but was saved with all the lucky dogs and wavearounds." To me that shows he's already able to grind out decent finishes when the car isn't right. 50. Cfob posted: 05.06.2010 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's weird how whenever I see Bronco in an argument on this site, I always feel the need to toss him a life preserver. Guess I just hate watching someone drown. Anyway, to speak down about how Brad has done compared to Denny Hamlin and Carl Edwards on the Cup side is ridiculous. For Brad, he is seeing a lot of these tracks for the very first time in a Cup car, or even at all. Not to mention Brad is racing for a team that has essentially been rebuilt from the ground up. That fact that Brad is consistently finishing in the 10-15 range in his first full year isn't a bad thing at all. Now, Carl Edwards on the other hand is a 16 time winner in the Cup Series who hasn't gotten a win since 2008. In 2010 it took him 10 races to lead his first laps. He lead 2. Not to mention Carl is racing for the top Ford team, with a track record of winning. And he's not. Denny Hamlin, while he's had 2 wins and 3 top five finishes this season, he's had just as more finishes of 17th or worse. While Brad had more finishes towards the back of the field, he only had one, thanks to the Big One at Talladega in the last 6 starts. Oh, and Brad can play a game of pick-up Basketball without putting his career at risk. Apparently Denny Hamlin can't say the same. 51. Bronco posted: 05.06.2010 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That was 2002 and 2003. With the old car. Brad's win was 5 years later with the COT." Fail, try 2007, because that was the last time the #09 finished in the top 5 in an RP race before the Talladega win last year. And preparing for an RP race with the new car isn't all that different than it was with the old, and once you're in the draft, none of that really matters anyway. "It's weird how whenever I see Bronco in an argument on this site, I always feel the need to toss him a life preserver. Guess I just hate watching someone drown." Haha, please don't flatter yourself Cfob. "For Brad, he is seeing a lot of these tracks for the very first time in a Cup car, or even at all." Bullshit. Every track that he's raced in the Cup series, he has run there in the Nationwide series before. He also ran about a half season in Cup last year, in case you forgot. "Not to mention Brad is racing for a team that has essentially been rebuilt from the ground up." Haha, big shit. Denny Hamlin stepped into a car that couldn't crack the top 20 the previous year and ended up having a very strong rookie year in Cup in 2006. "Not to mention Carl is racing for the top Ford team, with a track record of winning. And he's not." Track record of winning? Unless you've been in a coma the last year or so, you would know that the current group of Roush drivers haven't won since last February. That's hardly a track record of winning, and that's why Carl's career has been derailed since Homestead 2008. "Oh, and Brad can play a game of pick-up Basketball without putting his career at risk." Haha, apprently he can't even do that either. I think it was McMurray that did a piece on SpeedTV about the Haiti earthquake, and he mentioned how Krashalotski was the most uncoordinated person he had ever seen during the charity basketball game. And it doesn't matter Hamlin injured himself, since he's still kicking ass in Cup. 52. Talon64 posted: 05.06.2010 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Track record of winning? Unless you've been in a coma the last year or so, you would know that the current group of Roush drivers haven't won since last February. That's hardly a track record of winning, and that's why Carl's career has been derailed since Homestead 2008." But derailed worse than his teammates; last year he went winless while McMurray and Kenseth won and the other winless Roush driver, Biffle, easily beat him in the standings. And now Kenseth and Biffle have been top five in points nearly all season while Carl's struggling just to stay in the Chase. Denny's doing what he's supposed to be doing, Brad's a shade under what he's supposed to be doing and Carl's WELL below what he should be doing right now which is up to par with or better than his teammates. 53. Cfob posted: 05.06.2010 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Haha, please don't flatter yourself Cfob." I don't see how saying you suck at arguing is flattering myself... "Bullshit. Every track that he's raced in the Cup series, he has run there in the Nationwide series before. He also ran about a half season in Cup last year, in case you forgot." Just taking a quick glance, in his first ten starts of 2010, he raced at four tracks he's never seen before in a Cup car. And, I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's been pretty regularly stated that you CANNOT take anything you learn in the Nationwide car and apply it to the Spring Cup car. "Haha, big shit. Denny Hamlin stepped into a car that couldn't crack the top 20 the previous year and ended up having a very strong rookie year in Cup in 2006." 2006, as in the year after Joe Gibbs Racing won the Spring Cup Championship? Yeah, WOW. "Track record of winning? Unless you've been in a coma the last year or so, you would know that the current group of Roush drivers haven't won since last February. That's hardly a track record of winning, and that's why Carl's career has been derailed since Homestead 2008." Yeah, but you know what's crazy? Carl Edwards has been racing in the Cup series significantly longer than the last two years. And won during that time as well... oops? "Haha, apprently he can't even do that either. I think it was McMurray that did a piece on SpeedTV about the Haiti earthquake, and he mentioned how Krashalotski was the most uncoordinated person he had ever seen during the charity basketball game. And it doesn't matter Hamlin injured himself, since he's still kicking ass in Cup." Well, he can do it without crippling himself, so that in itself is a win. And if Denny is kicking ass, he's doing it while someone is holding him up, because he still can't stand on that leg alone ;) 54. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.06.2010 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And it doesn't matter Hamlin injured himself, since he's still kicking ass in Cup." The bar for "kicking ass" has really been lowered. The two wins are impressive, but otherwise? Yeesh! Kicking ass is when you win 3 of the first 5 races in a season and are already using full blown R&D set-ups for entire races in the season's SIXTH race getting ready for the cha$e and a run at your 5th consecutive Cup championship. 55. Cooper posted: 05.06.2010 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, it's hard to give you merit on anything you say about Brad, as your badmouthing him on a race page where he won, led 189 of 252 laps, and had a perfect driver rating. If your going to discuss how bad he is, do it on his driver page, not a race page where he dominated the field and has had 8 straight Top-5's. Just doesn't make a lot of sense Bronco. 56. Talon64 posted: 05.06.2010 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The bar for "kicking ass" has really been lowered. The two wins are impressive, but otherwise? Yeesh! Kicking ass is when you win 3 of the first 5 races in a season and are already using full blown R&D set-ups for entire races in the season's SIXTH race getting ready for the cha$e and a run at your 5th consecutive Cup championship." Denny's won 6 of the last 26 Cup races, 2nd only to Jimmie who's won 8 in the last 27. I'd say that's still kicking ass. 57. JamieMcmurrayFan posted: 05.22.2010 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) steve wallace gets the unlucky guy award (highest finishing driver not on the lead lap) 58. KevinHarvickFan29 posted: 05.22.2010 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski at least WON a race in 2009. Edwards failed to do that. 59. Daniel posted: 05.21.2012 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #90 Danny O'Quinn Jr. Out using fastest 43: #01 Mike Wallace 60. ch posted: 07.22.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #92 / #96 Owner: Bob Keselowski (Teammate to the #26) 61. NASCARLover22 posted: 09.07.2015 - 8:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew #96 Johnny Chapman Sponsor: K-Automotive Owner: Brian Keselowski Manufacturer: Dodge http://www.jayski.com/nationwide/2010/next/nns09rir.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: