|| *Comments on the 2010 Missouri-Illinois Dodge Dealers 250:* View the most recent comment <#180> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Lugnut posted: 07.17.2010 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh Shit!!! 2. Lugnut posted: 07.17.2010 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is about to be the most interesting week all year. Not sure what NASCAR is gonna do. 3. New 14&88 Fan posted: 07.17.2010 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Let the shitstorm commence!!!! 4. WillG_46 posted: 07.17.2010 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dirty dirty move. I will never have respect for Carl again. 5. Lugnut posted: 07.17.2010 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Let me just say that I have done what Carl did tonight and it feels damn good. Brad better grow a pair a wreck him at ORP or even Indy. That would be too good. 6. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.17.2010 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Low-down dirty driving, period. Carl needs an ass-whoopin', and methinks Bob Keselowski might be just the guy to give it to him. 7. RLewis9 posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is a difference between racing hard for the win and flat out turning someone on the straight like that. Carl has crossed the line for the second time this season, with the same driver. NASCAR needs to do something about this. 8. Jake posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Nascar should disqualify Carl that crash could have killed Brad, Shelby Howard drove straight into the drivers door of Brad. Just dirty driving by Carl. 9. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #5, So you think it's okay for drivers to just take each other out like that? Brad could have been killed! Shame on you. 10. Lugnut posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:06 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) A little side note: All four Roush Fenway cars finished inside the top ten. Very nice. 11. Lugnut posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #9 Um yeah, if the drivers don't like it they could always go find a corner to cry in and quit racing. 12. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) a horse tried to kill a man tonight 13. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If the same thing happened but reversed, Lugnut would be calling for Brad to be parked. 14. T-27 posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) But, but... Carl needs to win these races you guys. It are the only ones he can still win, with Jimmie bullying him around in the Cup Series... Good run by Bayne. The guy keeps impressing me. Also, Braun and Stenhouse seem to be improving, from really, really bad to actually quite decent. Keep it up, guys! @ Lugnut: are you Carl Edwards' PR officer? 15. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl proves for the second time this year that the last place he deserves to be is behind the wheel of a race car. 16. Matt posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards is sub-human scum. Can't wait to see him finally get what he deserves, it's going to be big. 17. Lugnut posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) #12 Nope, not even an edwards fan. In fact, after edwards caused junior to wreck at atlanta in '04, I could never like him. 18. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lugnut, If you can't win without taking somebody out and almost crippling them or worse, then you REALLY should NOT be a racecar driver. 19. Jake posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Their were some very hard crashes in this race to Brad Coleman and Matt DiBenedetto crashed into each other very hard in turn 2, Joe Nemechek crashed hard into the inside wall exiting turn 4, and of course Brad Keselowski's big crash at the checkers. 20. Lugnut posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really, have you ever been in the position where someone tries to wreck you on the final lap trying to win the race? I think not. 21. Dodge posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree. Carl should be ashamed to win like that. Since NASCAR already gave him probation and he did not learn, I think a suspension MAY do the trick. They did it to Harvick in the early 2000's and he has mellowed out to a point. 22. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lugnut, there's a difference between bumping/rubbing, and turning somebody headfirst into a wall at high speed. One is racing. The other is unacceptable. What if Brad had been hurt tonight? Would you still defend Carl? 23. gsizemo83 posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) If NASCAR doesn't do anything it will be a shame. I hope they do the right thing and either A) Suspend Edwards (at least in the nationwide) B) Fine and deduct points C) Take away the win or D) Let Brad punt Edwards into the wall so hard that it will make carl poop himself. Hopefully all of the above 24. RLewis9 posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lost in the Brad/Carl nonsense was the Nationwide debut of Ryan Truex. He had a very impressive run going, running in the top 15 all night and looked poised for a top 10 until he wrecked and finished 28th. He ended up hopping into the #20 and finished the race for Matt DiBenedetto who was shaken up in his crash with Brad Coleman. 25. Lugnut posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #22 Yes I would. 26. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay then... I think I'll stop feeding the troll. 27. Lugnut posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let me ask you this #22 If brad retaliates and hurts Carl or a fan, would you defend brad? 28. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #27 Nope. 29. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What made this even worse was the reactions by both Carl Edwards and his team on Edward's team radio and some of the 'fans' at Gateway International Raceway, hate going to races when people cheer at crashes. 30. potatosalad48 posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:48 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Carl Edwards did not win this race. Congrats to Reed Sorenson, the real winner. 31. Greg Gruver posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just found a new use for my Carl Edwards t-shirt... start the bonfire with it tomorrow. Dirty driving. Brad gave him two lanes on the outside and Carl drop kicked him. Carl's greed wiped out 6 or more cars. He whould be sent the bill to repair all the cars he wrecked trying to win a race that he, or any other full time cup driver should not be in. 32. Spartan posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor Bayne's best career finish. 33. Lugnut posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) -"I was rubbing on him a little bit," Keselowski said. "I figured out a way to beat him. He wasn't happy with me, so he wrecked me. " Associated Press 34. Greg Gruver posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The first race Steve Wallace did not take anyone out or spin all by himself. LOL 35. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl should be parked before he kills someone. Brad is a moron and most of us realize that, but Carl is a weapon - a potentially lethal one. He is also a big fish in a small pond who just wrecked a bunch of NW independents. Should never happen. 36. Kevin posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone needs to wreck Carl while he is doing his backflip, that would be better then a suspension. 37. rw posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Wow truly a bonehead move by Carl, I officially lost all respect for Carl Edbutthead after this race, from his bizarre move back at Atlanta to now, if Nascar doesn't do anything about this, we will all know Nascar doesn't have balls anymore. They can't take this "Boys Will Be Boys" attitude, there are lives at stake!, from the drivers to the fans. I like Bob K's comment, "really assassine move on Carl" Penalize, Take the win away, or Suspend! either way is good enough, but I want all 3. Congrats to Reed Sorenson (REAL WINNER) 38. New 14&88 Fan posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If NASCAR doesn't do anything it will be a shame. I hope they do the right thing and either A) Suspend Edwards (at least in the nationwide) B) Fine and deduct points C) Take away the win or D) Let Brad punt Edwards into the wall so hard that it will make carl poop himself. Hopefully all of the above" Not to defend Bipolar Carl,but he should be allowed to keep the win in instead be deducted points and money and suspend him for a race like they did Harvick in '02 and Robby Gordon after Montreal in 2007...it's perfectly understandably to be upset over a bump-and-run but that's no reason to turn the other guy head-on into the wall 39. DaleJrFan19 posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh...just...no... And somehow NASCAR will let this slide like they did at Atlanta. Placing bets on how many more times Edwards is gonna try and kill Keselowski before they do something about it? 40. rw posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh by the way I hope Brad is alright after the vicious hit, he looked like he was limping. 41. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Not to defend Bipolar Carl,but he should be allowed to keep the win in instead be deducted points and money and suspend him for a race like they did Harvick in '02 and Robby Gordon after Montreal in 2007...it's perfectly understandably to be upset over a bump-and-run but that's no reason to turn the other guy head-on into the wall" Good post, and I agree. But I'd make it more than one race, to really get the point across. 42. Critic posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've written at length about antics such as Edwards' tonight, so I believe my condemnations have become superfluous. If these two wish to do serious harm to one another, that's their prerogative, and it's not our problem if it results in tragedy for them. But when other competitors are endangered as a result of their personal vendetta, an example has to be made of the offender. They might surprise us yet, but if the sport's governing body elects to do nothing, it will be tantamount to complicity. It will show they are concerned with the inevitably dramatic media narrative over safety and reason. If someone like Steve Arpin or insert name here is critically injured as the result of this back and forth, the fullest extent of the law and all our scorn should be placed not only on the individual responsible, but NASCAR for cultivating an atmosphere that permitted it to continue. I know many of you are going to take up the cause of absolving Keselowski and pillorying Edwards, and a small minority the opposite. I think it's irrelevant. I have been consistent in my objections to egregiously dangerous conduct all year and I've reached a state of indifference where this feud is concerned. One individual is clearly detached from reality regarding the consequences of his actions and he may force the other into escalating the conflict -- but neither of them are innocent. They deserve each other. If it persists, they will earn the result. My only hope is that an innocent victim doesn't suffer gravely from it. 43. Critic posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As I'm sure you could gather from the tone of my post above, what Edwards did tonight is utterly indefensible. My opinion is identical to the one I articulated after Atlanta. 44. Jimmy posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Critic, I agree with you for the most part, but I think Carl is much more guilty than Brad. The thing with Brad is that he would've raced like that with anyone. He just wants to win, but he doesn't want to wreck anyone for the win, which he didn't do tonight. He made it look like he got loose and up into Carl, and maybe he even did, but he didn't wreck him. In fact, he didn't even completely pass him. But Carl overreacted yet again, and he tore up a bunch of innocent drivers' and teams' racecars because of his stupidity. 45. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm very amazed that on the RR and other forums there are people defending Carl. I must say they're not motorsports fans, but savages... What #60 did is inexcusable and if NASCAR again doesn't penalize him I will admit this sport is in a deep trouble. :( It's time to act before we see a serious injury resulting from such crashes. 46. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with the "they deserve each other" comment. They just don't need to be putting lives at risk with their stupidity, and NASCAR doesn't need to let it happen. At best, it makes NASCAR look amateurish. 47. potatosalad48 posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Raines finished 10th among all the chaos. WTG Tony. 48. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want examples of times that Brad Keselowski intentionally wrecked Carl Edwards, because I cannot recall a single one. 49. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lugnut, I couldn't of said it better myself 50. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And I am refering to Lugnut's first post, if anybody questions it. 51. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was boys have at it racing. This rivalry is probably the most exciting thing in the sport currently. In case you guys didn't notice, BK bumped Carl on the last lap. On these two bad crashes, Carl has just misjudged the outcome. Like I keep saying, at Atlanta, had BK just spun, NO ONE would care and everything would change. The same thing will happen tonight. Just because whoever hit BK hard, Carl will catch hell for this. These two are both aggressive drivers, and that's admirable. Earnhardt did the SAME exact things during his career. So why the hell is everyone bitching about Carl Edwards. It's because of NASCAR's rules and regulations. Everyone was happy about have at it but now they complain. Make up your mind. 52. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) To add to my last post, to hell it wasn't Carl's fault. It was blatant. I agree NASCAR should do something about this, but there's like a 2% chance BK or anyone is going to die as a result of this. Look at all of the spectacular crashes we've seen since the last death, Dale Earnhardt. This wasn't even remotely close to Larry Pearson's crash at Bristol in the Legend's race. He was without a HANS, with an open face helmet in a USAR car was hit HEAD ON. Not only the cars but the walls and fences can stop even the smallest debris from an accident from going into the crowd. There's a reason there hasn't been a death in 10 years and that is because NASCAR has been constantly in the shops and researching how to prevent ANY fatalities in this "marvelous" sport called NASCAR. 53. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anybody remember when Brad took out Carl for a win, and seriously injured a young girl? Nope, didnt think so.. 54. 75ohmy posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) ENOUGH WITH THE CRYING. BRAD WAS NOT ALMOST KILLED. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Bob Keselowski conducts one of THE absolute worst interviews of all time where he crys about how Brad is going to be killed and how hes going to get Carl himself. Newsflash old man, you couldnt drive a lick when you were younger, good luck getting Carl now. And incase anybody is wondering, Brad started this whole thing. Im sure if he was the one wrecking Carl you wouldnt say boo about it. 55. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #52 I get the point, but Carl took himself out. I believe he said so himself. But the same principle applies. On both of these crashes Carl has just misjudged the outcome. The other two crashes we've seen were caused by the wing, which I think we can all agree on is the worst thing NASCAR ever did. 56. WallaceFan posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) MY BOY STEVE RUNS AN AWSOME RACE, and of course it gets overshadowed...haha... Ok my take, ITS RACING. GUYS WRECK EACHOTHER FOR WINS. IT IS RACING. About a million people say Brads goign to get killed? Seriously? THAT is OVEREACTING. If Nascar is to stay alive it needs some good old fashion rivalries. How bout Earnhardt and Waltrip at Richmond (i beleive) . Guys wreck eachother. And NASCAR IS ALLOWING IT. "BOYS WILL BE BOYS." Carl deserves no suspension or fine for this. Because it was not an illegal move. Nascar is encouraging rivalries, and this kind of racing. And yes it is always Brad. Wanna know why? Because hes an instigator. Nobody complains when Brad dishes it out, but when he receives it its a whole different story. I dont want to hear anymore of this, he could have been killed, he could have killed fans. Because nobody cared about that at Talladega when CARL wrecked 20times worse than this and fans were injured. The reason people like Brad is because he drove for JR. But maybe all of JR Nation and the rest of the world better hop off this clowns bandwagon before IT gets wrecked. 57. WallaceFan posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just want to clarify i wish no harm to him or any drive. Honestly when he got smashed by Shelby Howard i was hoping for his safety. If someone is hurt its a whole nother ball game..but HES FINE. 58. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In response to #54....Carl said so himself. TRUE. But that was when Carl was still in the "lets make everybody happy" phase. I think now he realizes you cant please everybody, and you cant always take the blame. I bet if you asked him about that crash today he might tell a different story. But at the same time, yes...Talladega and Atlanta flips were both caused by the wing more than drivers themself. 59. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) WallaceFan I agree. He's fine. Get over it. This is what we asked for. You got it. This is just Waltrip and Earnhardt in the 80's. NASCAR's safety flops (wing) have made people blow this out of proportion. With all due respect, it seems no one imagines what THEY would do if they were in Carl's seat. 60. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "With all due respect, it seems no one imagines what THEY would do if they were in Carl's seat." I'll tell you what I'd do: Not turn Brad head on into the wall in front of the entire field. What kind of an idiot thinks that is a good idea? All of you defending Carl are disgusting. 61. Dion posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 53 Bob was actually a really good driver, he won an ARCA Championship and like 23 races, plus won a truck series race before becoming a successful truck series owner. So I wouldnt go around saying he couldn't drive for a lick, i am pretty sure he could beat you in a race while blindfolded and 100 less horsepower. And also, just because Brad gave hima little nudge doesn't give carl the right to spin him head on into a wall, that is like throwing a paper ball at someone and having them throw a big rock at your face and calling it even.... and I am not bias, i would say the same thing with any driver...you just dont flat turn someone into a wall, not only could you injure them but you could hurt other drivers. ------------------- Congrats to Braun, Wise, Stenhouse Jr and Raines among others on the great top 10 finishes. I wish Truex could have finished, he had a top 10 run going. 62. joey2448 posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) the battle for the championship is starting to look rather exciting. i have a feeling carl and brad will be racing until the final lap at homestead to win this thing! that was a wicked hard hit brad took by shelby howard on the final lap. good thing he's ok. although what carl did was unnecessary, it can be argued that both incidents this year with brad have looked much worse than they usually would've been (and therefore people have scorned carl because of it). in the atlanta crash, brad happened to go airborne, and this one he was hit hard in the pileup....like i said, i'm not saying what carl did was right, but both crashes have happened to be bad. 63. Jimmy posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) to post 58: If I were Carl, I would stop being a jackass and drive with integrity and class. That's how he won 8 races and nearly the Cup championship in 2008 What has he accomplished since he decided to be more aggressive? A couple Nationwide wins, and that's it 64. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok Carl will start driving with intergirty and class as soon as Brad does.... 65. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seriously why is everyone pro keselowski. What has this kid ever done? All he is known for is wrecking people and being wrecked! Maybe he should get his cup series self situated and try to crack the top 10 there for awhile. THEN he can come back and drive busch if he wants. Carl won the race, get over it. 66. WallaceFan posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) PROPS TO RYAN TRUEX BTW! Also was overshadowed. Ran a great race, 10-15th mostly, as high as 8th. Had the car just get out from under him and backed it into the wall late. Also after he was out, and with DiBenedetto being sore from him and Colemans wreck (tough hit, glad they both got out) Truex hopped into the 20car and put some laps in for them. Works both ways, experience for the youngter, points for the team chasing the championship. 67. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 63 - Maybe everyone is pro-Keselowski because Carl Edwards is such a jackass,and because of that, the benefit of the doubt is not going to be too favorable for him 68. Cfob posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Does anybody remember when Brad took out Carl for a win, and seriously injured a young girl? Nope, didnt think so.." Watch the tape, listen to what Carl said himself. @#53 Bob Keselowski is one of the best short track racers in the midwest EVER, not to mention things he did on the national stage, winning an ARCA Championship when it meant more than being a future Cup driver in Cup quality equipment running every race. And how would you feel if you were Bob Keselowski? The same guy sent your son airborne and then turns him head first into the wall. I don't know what kind of parent you would be, but if I were Mr. Keselowski Carl Edwards wouldn't leave Gateway without a pronounced limp at the least! And I love all the Brad drives with no class comments. You all mock Jimmie Johnson for being a smooth, reserved consistent driver, yet when you see an aggressive driver who's out there gunning for the win every week, you think it's fine to try and kill him. That's the reason why I HATE NASCAR Fans. You want to have your cake and eat it to, and then bitch about the cake after you eat it. All of you need to turn off your TVs and go out to your local short track, and actually realize what racing is TRULY all about. There's honor and dignity in that type of racing. There's no honor and dignity in what Carl Edwards did. 69. smith4js posted: 07.18.2010 - 4:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least Bob didn't try to fight Edwards whole crew like Mr. Logano would have done. My problem with the whole thing is bumping in the corner is fine on the last lap but when it comes to blatant wrecking, it is unnecessary. If you are almost a car-length back on the frontstrech coming to the checkers you probably should not win. It was a GWC finish to the end so there was a ton of other cars behind, so have your rivalry all you want but do not take out 6 other cars in the process. Carl has no perspective on the costs of teams because he has been at Roush his whole career and never had to wonder if the team could foot the tire bill or not and now 6 or so cars are behind next week because big tough Carl lost his temper, but if it works for Carl then who cares, right? 70. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.18.2010 - 4:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That's the reason why I HATE NASCAR Fans. You want to have your cake and eat it to, and then bitch about the cake after you eat it." And not only that, if NASCAR were to ever fall, the "fans" will be partly to blame. Always crying for one set of rules, then when implemented, bitch that you want a different set of rules, and when you get it, bitch yet again for what was used in the past, then bitch yet again. 71. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 4:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I completely agree with Cfob and martin-n-rusty. NASCAR fans are totally insufferable. 72. Neal posted: 07.18.2010 - 5:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If NASCAR decides to slap Carl on the wrist again, Keselowki should "accidentally" wreck him every chance he gets. What's good for the goose is good for the horse-face. 73. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 5:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #63 I'm very anti-Krashalotski and I think Carl should be parked from the NW Series. Are driver loyalties supposed to make ppl blind? Cup drivers have no business causing crashes in a lesser series, and he could have killed someone regardless of how safe the cars are. Everyone thought the cars were safe prior to 2000 as well. How many spectacular crashes did Earnhardt himself survive? Anyone who thinks racing is safe enough for Carl's childish antics is delusional. 74. amhovey posted: 07.18.2010 - 7:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wasn't able to see the race, but saw the last lap....and i believe what edwards did was wrong. Worse yet, na$car will probably do nothing about it. But i think i have a solution that will right up na$cars attention-grubbing alley...let a FAN VOTE determine what happens to edwards....what do ya think? 75. RealFastFan24 posted: 07.18.2010 - 7:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) First off, let me say that I would have never guessed that a race at Gateway would gather so much fan attention. It was a pretty typical Nationwide series race with green flag racing at the beginning and a wreck-fest at the end. As far as the whole Edwards/Keselowski incident, there is a disparity between the move Brad made on Carl in Turn 1 and the move Carl made on Brad coming to the checkered flag. I think Brad's move was what NASCAR originally intended when they wanted "Boys will be Boys" attitude to succeed. Yes, if Carl had just spun Brad in a single-car incident, there would be no problem, but that's not what happened. Instead Brad had the chance of being seriously hurt in the incident. (I believe wrecks like these were the reason why NASCAR abolished racing back to the caution years ago.) I cannot sit here and conjecture what punishment Carl deserves because I, like so many other fans, don't know how NASCAR actually interprets its new attitude. The unfortunate aspect to this incident was the destruction of many cars that didn't deserve to be destroyed. I doubt JR Motorsports or the team Shelby Howard was driving for has an unlimited amount of race cars like Penske and Roush-Fenway do. (You can bet ESPN is going to have a field day with this drama.) 76. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 8:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) wow at those who defend roid boy for his antics. that's sickening. 77. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 9:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again Roid Rage Boy proves what an ass he is. His Opie Taylor, Gomer Pyle, aw shucks, golly gee whiz persona that Carl puts on most of the time for the cameras is as phony as a 3 dollar bill and everybody in the garage knows it. But most race fans only see the fake Carl Edwards. There is a big difference between the "bump and run" (a legitimate move, which Brad used) and the "wreck him and run" which Carl used. Anyone with the level of race experience that these guys have is fully aware of how to move someone out of the way without wrecking them, vs. deliberately spinning someone out in front of 90% of the field going full speed. NASCAR has zero balls and zero credibility, especially when it comes to big money drivers, big money owners like Jackass Jack Rou$h and big money sponsors like Aflac. Now if this were some hapless driver like, say, Carl Long, NASCAR would puff out their collective chests and show us all how really big, bad and tough they can be. I expect either the lightest of slaps on the wrist for Edwards, or something even more gutless like probation for BOTH Carl and Brad. If NASCAR had any courage whatsoever, they'd park Edwards just like they did to Harvick a few years ago, and they'd park him for a CUP race. 78. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.18.2010 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow! Am I late to this party or what? 77 posts as of now, no telling how many more in the time I was reading the posts. Where do I even begin? First of all, I think Bob Keselowski had a GREAT interview. After watching his SON take a bunch of vicious hits after an intentional hit meant to do harm, he didn't devolve into personal insults or rant and rave, he just told it like it was despite obviously being livid. Compare him to Tom Logano. And as far as the "Brad can't get hurt" sentiment: Bullshit. What if one of those T-Bone hits was right in the driver's door? Anyone remember Eric Martin? And now let's review the rivalry between Brad and Carl. At Talladega '09, Carl cut across Brad's hood trying to block, Carl even admitted this. At Memphis last year, Brad spun Carl out trying to follow him through traffic. He admitted it was his fault and apologized. In the opening laps of Atlanta this year, Carl once again cuts across Brad's hood, and when seeing the replay once again admits this himself. Then he goes out and spins Brad on the straightaway in the winged COT which is notorious for flipping when turned sideways at high speeds. Then, in this race, Brad drives in too deep in Turn 1, slides into Carl hurting his own momentum as much as Carl's, never clears him (it wasn't really a bump and run, Brad just lost control, if it were a bump and run Brad would have drove off into the sunset, he had no malicious intent), coming to the checkers leaves Carl room on the outside, and Carl turns him head on into the wall on a narrow track with the entire pack coming full speed behind them. So the final tally: Brad: One spinout, one overdrove corner into Carl's door. Carl: Two intentional spins leading to horrific results, two blocks in which Brad held his ground. This hasn't been Harvick or Biffle getting cut of by Logano then just dumping him a few laps later. If someone is "cutting you off", you hold your ground and them spin themselves out, not wait and dump them and look like a jackass. Once again, Brad comes out the good guy. He just smiled and laughed in his interview. No throwing stuff, no storming off, no sarcastic remarks to the reporters. Carl took his best shot at Brad for the second time in 6 months. Both times Brad shrugged it off, smiled, and gave one of those "I'm still standing" smirks. That was your best shot Carl, and Brad wasn't phased. Carl: You are one sorry son of a bitch. Have fun watching JJ win the Cup again. One last thought: WHY ISN'T RICKY CRAVEN THE LEAD COLOR ANALYST FOR ESPN????? He blows Rusty and DJ out of the water. 79. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.18.2010 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) A few final thoughts: NASCAR ain't gonna do shit. I don't agree with it, but it is a fact. These rivalries are the only thing interesting going on in NASCAR right now, they will milk them for all they are worth, safety be damned. Say what you want about Brad, he changed NASCAR. How many people can say that? As far as active drivers: Jeff Gordon (brought NASCAR to Madison Avenue), Matt Kenseth (caused NASCAR to come up with the cha$e), and Jimmie Johnson (NASCAR is seriously considering turning their entire championship system upside down just to make sure he quits winning every year, which won't work). Comparisons to Richmond '86: I don't agree with that (although DW's reaction was priceless), and I don't agree with this. When the hell did Brad forget how to pit? That's 3 weeks in a row. He's creeping into Dale Mears territory. 80. Wikus van de Merwe posted: 07.18.2010 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad needs to turn Carl going into turn 1 at Michigan. At about 205 MPH, it's prob going to hurt Edroids. 81. dUDE gUY posted: 07.18.2010 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) All Carl had to do was tap Keselowski, and he still would have gotten the win. But because a Cup championship is so out of his reach right now, I suppose Carl desperately wants (sorry, NEEDS) another Nationwide championship, so he had to wreck Kes to get as many points on him as possible. I suppose it makes sense in a way, as Carl needs something to prop up his abnormally large ego with (which, by the way, makes the entire universe look tiny in comparison). I hope to never see Carl Bigheadwards (thanks to whoever came up with such a perfect nickname) in Cup, Nationwide or Trucks again, (or behind the wheel of any racecar, or regular car, or golf cart, or anything even remotely dangerous, really) but NASCAR and their way-too-desperate need for DRAMA will make sure Edwards has a place in the top series for a while. Yech. 82. CarlEdwards99 posted: 07.18.2010 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "His Opie Taylor, Gomer Pyle, aw shucks, golly gee whiz persona that Carl puts on most of the time for the cameras is as phony as a 3 dollar bill and everybody in the garage knows it. But most race fans only see the fake Carl Edwards." never met him myself, but have talked to people that have and Edwards is far from a bad guy and he has toned down his aw shucks persona in recent years (as evident last night in his victory lane interview). BUT he does lose his head a lot when he goes out on the track and gets caught in the moment to much and this time he should be suspended for it (actually should of been suspended in Atlanta). I don't think NASCAR will suspended him though, they have touted there "have at boys" policy to much this year and they don't want to undermined it. 83. Darrell posted: 07.18.2010 - 11:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The have at it boys policy needs to be reworked. Simply put, it should be safe and smart on the track, but don't get your feathers ruffled if someone bumps you. So long as no one gets hurt, send the small message. Off the track, you can use fisticuffs as weapons, but make sure no one gets killed. If these dum dums can learn not to use their cars as weapons, everything should be okay and we'd have safe clean racing that would be fun to watch. Or, if we are going to wreck each other for space, just go back to shorter tracks. Beating and banging is to be expected there, and then these guys could get used to tough racing instead of crying when Mr. Meanie Not Nice Driver bumps their bumper. 84. Cooper posted: 07.18.2010 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad on Carl: "I'm sure he'll say how sorry he is, or how cool he thinks he is or how great of a guy he is in his own mind," said Keselowski, who leads the Nationwide series by 168 points over Edwards. "But that's not reality." I don't want to discuss this incident, because I will just come across as a Brad homer, but Brad will decide where this rivalry goes. Brad is an excellent driver and he knows his limits. If he feels it is right to wreck Carl he will. If he feels that it's right to let it go and race for the championship cleanly, he will. Carl is an A-Hole and that will never change. Brad is awesome and that will never change. Brad is the reason I drive a Dodge. Brad is the reason I buy tires from Discount Tires. Brad will be in this sport for a long time and I'm very excited for the future of this sport. 85. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad didnt make any sarcastic remarks? Seriously? Watch his interview again genious. 86. thegoon posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards wins in an exciting finish. Just look at the results. 87. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh and Brad didnt get hit in the door either. He got hit above the left rear tire. So get your facts straight. 88. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #87, he got hit in the left front tire. 89. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tyler Malsam spun in perfect fashion to avoid BK. And that's not sarcasm. Kinda reminds me of Jamie Mac and Todd Bodine at Darlington not many years ago. Que Ball wrecks Jamie, and Jamie just slid down the track. If not for the late race caution, the same exact thing would have happened. Now, I'm not saying what Carl or Todd did was right, fair, or good; I'm just saying that people sort of blow it out of proportion because the crash is bad. 90. Smokefan05 posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""That's the reason why I HATE NASCAR Fans. You want to have your cake and eat it to, and then bitch about the cake after you eat it." And not only that, if NASCAR were to ever fall, the "fans" will be partly to blame. Always crying for one set of rules, then when implemented, bitch that you want a different set of rules, and when you get it, bitch yet again for what was used in the past, then bitch yet again." Quoted for awsomeness and the truth. Bob was a good driver in his day and has the right to say what he wants. People actually comparing what Carl is doing to what Dale Earnhardt did. There is a big difference tho: Dale wouldn't wreck you (Dale did sometimes and got busted for it) for the win. 20-30 of his wins where by moving people the rest by talent alone. 91. RLewis9 posted: 07.18.2010 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Didn't NASCAR black flag Matt Crafton in a truck series race at Gateway for taking out the leader? That was way less intentional than this was, yet Carl gets no penelty. The reality of the sport is, if you are a big time driver with big time sponsorship, you can get away with almost anything. If Robby Gordon pulled this, NASCAR probably would've banned him for life. 92. Ryan Daley posted: 07.18.2010 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) possibly another spencer/busch type rivalry? 93. Smokefan05 posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If Robby Gordon pulled this, NASCAR probably would've banned him for life." NASCAR hates Robby, it's a known fact. 94. Timmy Quivy posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 89, Yeah that '03 Darlington was an awesome finish because that was a great late-race duel where both drivers were racing for the win and Cueball did not wreck Jamie Mac on purpose, he just got super loose coming off of four. This was not a late-race duel not a racing accident. This was Carl Edwards realizing he's becoming washed up and figured this was the only way he could have won. 95. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.18.2010 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "First of all, I think Bob Keselowski had a GREAT interview. After watching his SON take a bunch of vicious hits after an intentional hit meant to do harm, he didn't devolve into personal insults or rant and rave, he just told it like it was despite obviously being livid." EXACTLY! If you guys want to know why I'm a huge fan of the Keselowskis, there's your answer. They tell it like it is without name-calling or insults, something that most young guns have us used to listening to. Carl USED to be one of my favorite drivers, but now I've lost all respect for him. I think he took this incident WAY too far. Brad bumped Carl out of the way, and I would have been fine with it if Carl had merely bumped him back, but he has to flat-out dump him coming to the checkers. Dirty move, in my opinion. Say what you want about Brad, but the only time he's caused an actual wreck since Atlanta was at Sears Point when he wanted to play pinball with everybody. For those of you who are saying that no one could have gotten hurt, I suggest you watch the 1991 Bud at the Glen, or the 2001 Daytona 500. I understand that safety features now are more reliable than they ever have been, but the possibility still lurks. "The reality of the sport is, if you are a big time driver with big time sponsorship, you can get away with almost anything." Unfortunately, in today's NASCAR, that's pretty much true. 96. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good runs for Trevor Bayne, Brian Scott, Colin Braun, Josh Wise, Ricky Stenhouse Jr and Tony Raines. Also have to give a shout-out to Shelby Howard and Willie Allen for their finishes in the top-15. 97. Schwab posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards earned his 27th Nationwide Series win in his 195th start, tying him with Jeff Burton for fifth all-time in career series victories. Reed Sorenson tied his best finish of 2010. Trevor Bayne leads laps for the first time this season. He was the highest ranked driver in points without a lap led. Michael McDowell is now the highest ranked driver in points without a lap led this season. Steve Wallace scored his first top five of the year. He was the highest ranked driver in points without a top 5. Michael Annett now becomes the highest ranked driver in points without a top 5 this season. With Josh Wise finishing seventh, that leaves Danica and Landon Cassill as the only drivers who have not scored a top 10 in the #7 car. Shelby Howard scored his best finish of the season and tied his career best finish. Willie Allen also tied his best finish of the season and career. I think that amid all the chaos someone has mentioned this was the debut of Ryan Truex who was running 10th when he crashed. Ryan finished the race driving the #20 car. I find it disappointing that Jeremy Clements and Michael McDowell, who would have probably ran the entire race, miss the race while nine stark and parks make the race. But hey, in defense of the start and park guys I'll say they had the speed to beat McDowell and Clements so they deserved to be in the field. 98. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh and Brad didnt get hit in the door either. He got hit above the left rear tire. So get your facts straight." Ugh, did you even read the post? I'll put arrows around the important part because you obviously need them: " -------> What if <------- one of those T-Bone hits was right in the driver's door?" I'll get my facts straight when you learn how to read. 99. 18fan posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only thing I will say about the finish is that Brad tapped Carl in turn 1, and Carl hooked Brad in the right-rear on the straightaway. If Carl had tapped Brad the way Brad tapped him, then it would be okay. But not to hook someone on the straightaway intentionally. Anyone who thinks that wasn't intentional is blind. Reed Sorenson gets another top 5 at Gateway, his fifth in six races and he got wrecked with a chance for a top 5 in the one race he didn't finish in the top 5. 100. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.18.2010 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ post 81: I love it. "All Carl had to do was tap Keselowski, and he still would have gotten the win." Exactly! That is how it is done. Brad didn't even do a bump and run on Edroids (love the nickname Wikus), he overdrove it and got both of them sideways. Carl needs to watch the final laps of the Loudon race and see how Kurt Busch and JJ handled it. That is why they are both Cup champions and Carl isn't. "But because a Cup championship is so out of his reach right now, I suppose Carl desperately wants (sorry, NEEDS) another Nationwide championship, so he had to wreck Kes to get as many points on him as possible. I suppose it makes sense in a way, as Carl needs something to prop up his abnormally large ego with (which, by the way, makes the entire universe look tiny in comparison)." Love it! "Brad didnt make any sarcastic remarks? Seriously? Watch his interview again genious." At least I can spell "GENIUS". And by sarcastic remarks, I mean like every single one of Kyle Busch's post race interviews. 101. riven3d posted: 07.18.2010 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They should just cut the power to everyone's here home when races are on so they stay blind. had this been Dale Earnhardt pulling what happened everyone would say oh thats racing. It all depends on who that driver is when there is blame to be given. Shut up and quit complaining you know nothing will be done. It was a racing incident coming to the checkered flag, ANYBODY in that position would of done the same thing, no matter the outcome. 102. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anybody? Oh please. When will ppl quit comparing every asshole that comes along to Earnhardt? There's a big ass difference between spinning someone at Bristol and turning left on a straightaway at a super speedway. 103. CarlEdwards99 posted: 07.18.2010 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anybody? Oh please. When will ppl quit comparing every asshole that comes along to Earnhardt? There's a big ass difference between spinning someone at Bristol and turning left on a straightaway at a super speedway." to be fair though, if the argument by most is now "what if Brad K was killed in a driver side t bone" than it could be said "what if Terry was killed in a drive side t bone?" (they carry some pretty big speeds at Bristol, particularly with pre-hans device safety). I'm, even as a Edwards fan, thinks he should be suspended. BUT, I also don't think this incident is much worse than a lot of other incidents that many fans were willing to blow off as no big deal from a safety stand point (Vickers-Bliss in the all star open would be another example of a guy getting spun out and at risk of being t-bone by a passing car, lucky for him he was able to control it to keep it in the grass). As someone said earlier, this incident has caused so much of a stir not because the act itself, but the aftermath of Brad K getting t boned. With that said, this incident should serve as a warning that spinning a guy out on purpose shouldn't be taking lightly by NASCAR. If it was up to me not just spinning a guy out, but even the bump and run would be gone from the sport. just not can they be dangerous, but they cheapen the sport. Don't often agree with DW, but what he said last week on wind tunnel was on the money. Passing a guy is a art form, that many times is like a chess match that takes talent both physically and mentally. The bump and run and spinning a guy out takes all of the art and talent out of that aspect of the sport. 104. Smokefan05 posted: 07.18.2010 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "had this been Dale Earnhardt pulling what happened everyone would say oh thats racing." There is a difference between Carl and Dale: Dale was respected by his fellow racers and they knew how hard he'd race'em for the win. Fans respected him because he'd was like most Americans when he started driving. Carl on the other hand is not liked by some in the garage area (ask his teammates) and has a history of losing his cool and wrecking guys in a big way. Fans are now getting to see what kind of person Carl really is and they don't like him (for those who have either never liked him from the start or those who now dislike him) The "aw shucks i didn't mean too" thing doesn't work anymore. 105. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.18.2010 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anybody wanting to compare Carl to Dale, watch Carl's post race interview after this race, then watch Dale's post race interview at Talladega in '93 after sending Rusty on a wild flip. Dale was literally trembling because he was so shaken up over what he did to Rusty. Carl was bragging. One of them was a human being, and the other is a psychopath. 106. Cooper posted: 07.18.2010 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Same link I posted at Atlanta in the race discussion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPLZhAhCtg For everyone, who says the wrecking is nice to watch, it won't be when something goes wrong, and yes eventually something will go wrong. 107. Anonymous posted: 07.18.2010 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "One of them was a human being, and the other is a psychopath." LOL at "human being" being used to describe Earnhardt. Here's a little glimpse into the "human being" Earnhardt was: http://espn.go.com/racing/blog/_/name/hinton_ed/id/4083507 I also don't typically think of deadbeat dads as "human beings", I typically think of them as scum but thats right! I forgot! The multi millionaire was willing to cough up a $1000 for a church to repave it's parking lot......so he must of been a saint.....rolls eyes...... 108. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not defending Carl, but could Brad possibly be showing his innocent face right now? Just a thought. 109. Neal posted: 07.18.2010 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) riven3d - I suggest you go watch footage of the 1988 Coca-Cola 600. Earnhardt intentionally wrecked Geoff Bodine and NASCAR immediately assessed a 5-lap penalty. Nice try though. 110. Cooper posted: 07.18.2010 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR fans have been spoiled with all the latest safety enhancements. We wouldn't be talking about this race 10 years ago, because Brad would probably be dead or seriously injured and Carl would be in jail after Atlanta. Also, if this crash happened 10-20 years ago, Brad would probably be sitting next week out. You can't keep wrecking people on purpose. Eventually God or Karma will get you and the score will be even. I hope Bob does suit up next week and teach Carl a lesson. 111. DaleJrFan19 posted: 07.18.2010 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #69 Hit it right on the nail. All you pro-Edwards fans read that and think about what happened again...ah, screw it, you'll still remain ignorant. 112. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.18.2010 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "For everyone, who says the wrecking is nice to watch, it won't be when something goes wrong, and yes eventually something will go wrong." Exactly. You can only tempt fate so many times. And with Carl, he will tempt it (at someone else's expense) every chance he gets just to prove how tough and macho he is. Yes, the cars are as safe as ever, but they aren't bulletproof, and our human bodies sure as hell aren't bullet proof. If this keeps up, somebody will get seriously hurt or killed. "We wouldn't be talking about this race 10 years ago, because Brad would probably be dead or seriously injured and Carl would be in jail after Atlanta. Also, if this crash happened 10-20 years ago, Brad would probably be sitting next week out." You are absolutely right. Hell, if the #70 car hits Brad in the driver's door instead of the quarter panel, he would probably be sitting out next week or be permenently sat out. "You can't keep wrecking people on purpose. Eventually God or Karma will get you and the score will be even." Undoubtably. People like Carl always get what's coming to them. 113. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.18.2010 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cooper, I get chills watching that video. That is a big problem with the sport nowadays, there are no more Rusty's, no more Earnhardt's, no more Elliott's, no more Schrader's, nobody willing to stand up and say "What the hell are you doing, you're gonna kill someone!" And those who occasionally try to do so are the world's worst. The best example is Tony Stewart at Speed Weeks '06 saying Kyle Busch is gonna kill somebody (which, in all fairness, is true), then putting Matt Kenseth in the worst possible situation in the race. 114. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love these bigoted comments slamming certain fans for certain beliefs. We have our own opinions, accept it. Get over it. It's not what's right or wrong. It's what YOU think. Don't slam people for something YOU don't believe. These "Carl fans are crazy" are prime examples. I'm sure I'm just whining and bitching. 115. Madison posted: 07.18.2010 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To add to my above post, I'm not pointing fingers. 116. petty43 posted: 07.18.2010 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i am just going to say thatthere is no dignity in winning a race like that. I harken to the days when guys did not want to win like that, it was only diginfied if they could make a legit pass, move a guy a little, sure, but just dump him and act like it was justified, thats bullshit. then he has the audacity to say it was for his team, bullshit carl, he needs to shoulder that burden. if i worked on that team/car, iwould walk right up to carl look him square in the eye, and tell him he is a dirty racer, and that i want nothing to do with winning like that. Carl is a horsetoothed jackass and brad is a moxy primadonna who is way overrated, but he came out of this looking like a saint and he has gained some fans, including me, but if he retaliates he is a shithead, just the same as carl. great race!!!!!!!!!!! nascar will do nothing and should do nothing, this needs to be handled in the garage, by the drivers and by roush who needs to control his dipshit drivers emotions behind the wheel, not a nascar problem. 117. Smokefan05 posted: 07.18.2010 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad has 2 choices: 1. Take matters into your own hands and deal out some old fashion revenge. 2. Let NASCAR do (or not do) anything and move on. "brad is a moxy primadonna" you must be confusing Brad with Denny Hamlin or Kyle Busch. I haven't Brad heard whine or complain once. 118. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.18.2010 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Neal, you know what the sad thing about that is. NASCAR does it today, and the fans would complain NASCAR is not enforcing "Boys have at it", yet, as we can see, nothing is pretty much going to be done, and people are calling for Carl's steroid enriched head on a platter. Madison, open your eyes, I haven't seen many posts from you (or haven't noticed), but from a wide swath of the fan base, it seems as if they want one thing, then another, then another, all at the same time. 119. Greg Gruver posted: 07.18.2010 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think that some body needs to call Don King or Bob Arem to promote the fight between Crashem and Win Carl and I just Bumped Him Brad. That way no body else get there cars wrecked and the fans won't get hurt. The only other way this madness stop is for NASCAR to suspend one or both of them for a while. But NASCAR will do what they usually do....NOTHING. NASCAR has proven that the only way they will change things is AFTER someone gets killed. Think about it. It took Kenny Irwin And Adam Petty getting killed to have kill switches installed. It took three or four drivers getting burned to have fuel bladders in the cars and it took Dale Earnhardt's death to get the HANS system for the drivers. Any body who think NASCAR will punish Carl, think again. NOBODY DIED....YET! Carl and Brad, you idiots need to stay off our race tracks!!! 120. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.18.2010 - 11:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Greg, why should Brad be forced off the track? Short of the Talladega incident (which wasn't his fault), Carl has been the blame for EVERYTHING that has happened between these two. 121. Cfob posted: 07.19.2010 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Greg, why should Brad be forced off the track? Short of the Talladega incident (which wasn't his fault), Carl has been the blame for EVERYTHING that has happened between these two." Actually, Carl was to blame for Talladega as well, thanks to his epic blocking fail. 122. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.19.2010 - 1:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cfob, that is true, but had it been any other driver, 9 times out of 10, the same thing would of happened (they try to make a block, and end up getting spun), so I will not totally pin that as a thing Carl Edwards and Carl Edwards only would of did. 123. Anonymous posted: 07.19.2010 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad held his line and knew he couldn't go below the yellow, and Roidin' came down and got owned. 124. petty43 posted: 07.19.2010 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) simply put you dont wreck a guy out of turn 4 at skinny ass gateway right after a restart so the whole field can clobber his car 6 times, what carl did saturday night was more dispicable than what happened at atlanta earlier this year, he should be ashamed of himself and the other drivers had better confront him or this will happen to them. carl has the skill to make clean passes and the equipment, what he did was classless and lazy, just like earnhardt with terry labonte at bristol. it can happen to the best of them, i just hope for brads sake this is the last time, it just needs to stop. carl is not a badass, just a dumbass. and if this factors in the title win at the end of the year then this series will be offcially dead to me. 125. Cfob posted: 07.19.2010 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "so I will not totally pin that as a thing Carl Edwards and Carl Edwards only would of did." Neither would I, anyone could have done it. But in that case Carl did it. 126. Longevity posted: 07.19.2010 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did anybody catch the new ESPN commercial today depicting the two cup hauler drivers of Carl Edwards and Brad Keselowski in a duel? Ironic it seems to have made a commercial with those two particular teams...but ESPN or NA$CAR are not organizations known to fluff up instigations... 127. Talon64 posted: 07.19.2010 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll give Carl credit for something: It wasn't as bad as Atlanta. One, Carl and Brad were not only on the same lap and racing for position, but racing for the win. And two, Keselowski actually instigated it in some manner. But it's just more of the same for Carl. I liked Dr. Jekyll when he was in the Trucks and his first year or so in Cup but as the seasons have come along we've seen more and more of Mr. Hyde. And unfortunately the current Nationwide car isn't nearly as safe as the Cup COT or the Nationwide COT that'll be running full time in 2011. People CAN get hurt, just look at how shaken up and sore DiBenedetto and Coleman were after their wreck. Or when Dario Franchitti broke his leg (or foot? can't remember exactly) at Talledega a couple years ago. So Keselowski was more likely to get hurt in this wreck than he did when he flipped at Atlanta. And Shelby Howard too when he ran into him. If I were NASCAR I'd put Carl on probation the rest of the season, basically meaning no more "have it boys" for him. And I'd have a serious talk with him to let him know that he needs to calm down or there's going to be real consequences in the future, i.e. lengthy suspensions. NASCAR needs to treat repeat offenders more harshly, and Carl's one of them. 128. Talon64 posted: 07.19.2010 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was Roush Fenway Racing's 110th career Nationwide win, 4th at Gateway. Reed Sorenson's 5th top five is the most he's had in a Nationwide season since 2006. Despite only running 14 of 19 races this year he's 14th in the standings, 131 points behind 10th. Trevor Bayne won his 2nd career pole and collected his 2nd top five in the last 4 races. Paul Menard earned his 50th top ten in 149 career Nationwide starts. Steve Wallace got just his 4th top five in 141 career Nationwide starts. He's one top ten shy of his career-best season total of 9, set last season. He's also the highest finishing Wallace at the family's home track (Kenny finished 20th, Mike 22nd). Brian Scott was the highest finishing rookie in 6th, the first time in his short Nationwide career he's had back-to-back top 10's. Colin Braun had his best start and finish of the season in 2nd and 7th respectively, his 6th straight finish of 17th or better. Josh Wise made up the most positions in the race, from 34th to 8th, to get his 2nd top ten in 37 career Nationwide starts. It's the #7 team's 2nd top ten in the last 3 races. Ricky Stenhouse Jr. gets his 2nd top ten in the last 3 races, and his 4th straight top 20 finish after only 3 in his first 13 starts this season. 3 rookies finished in the top 10 in a Nationwide race for the first time since 2009 at Kentucky (also happened at Las Vegas that year). Tony Raines gets his 3rd top ten in his last 4 starts at Gateway (2002, 2005, 2009, 2010). Michael Annett gets his 9th top 15 finish of the season, 3rd straight. Shelby Howard ties his best career Nationwide finish in 12th, the 3rd time he's done so (2009 at Memphis and Nashville the other times). After finishing no better than 25th in his first 4 Nationwide starts, Steve Arpin has back-to-back top 15 finishes. Brad Keselowski led 136 laps, the 3rd most he's ever led in a Nationwide race (189 at Richmond this year and 145 at Milwaukee in 2008). It's the 5th time this year he's led the most laps in a race. Willie Allen finishes 15th for the 3rd time this season, his only top 20's. Tayler Malsam gets his 4th top 20 in 6 career starts (all this season). 129. New 14&88 Fan posted: 07.20.2010 - 3:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/nationwideseries/Carl_Edwards_says_he_meant_no_harm_in_last-lap_crash_didnt_want_Brad_Keselowski_to_steal_another_win.html Read through the article and note how Carl goes on and on about how it was 'his' race...and I thought Kryle and a enlarged ego 130. Frank posted: 07.20.2010 - 6:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Too bad Brad bump-and-passed Edroids at the start of gwc because Carl was going to win this race anyway with no relevance on how hard Brad will race him. Interview of so-called winner says it. And all defences based on "he didn't want to harm" are absolutely pointless after Atlanta. Also I don't understand why some people think that Brad should be kept away for a race too. It reminds me kindergarten teacher who didn't want to investigate an incident between two kids and fines both. Don't think we're even close to "50/50" in Carl-Brad case. 131. 48fan posted: 07.20.2010 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Obviously psycho boy Carl forgot to take his prozac again. 132. Mamorese posted: 07.20.2010 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) EARL strikes again. And please, nobody is going to end up dead from these wrecks no matter how vicious they appear. You could go headfirst into the catchfence at Talladega, get flung back into traffic, get t-boned in the door and at worst you might end up with a broken wrist. Which is precisely why nascar will continue to let drivers settle things on track. 133. Smiff_99 posted: 07.20.2010 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry, Mamorese, if somebody gets clocked in the driver's door at Talladega, regardless of what kind of race car they're in, they're GONNA die. A 190+ impact in the driver's door is a guaranteed death, no matter what era of safety we may be in. 134. petty43 posted: 07.20.2010 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) thats the problem, these drivers all think they are invincible, no one wants to see it happen, but it will require someone getting killed to make idiots like carl the impaler realize, that they can still get killed even in these safer cars at safer tracks. 135. Talon64 posted: 07.20.2010 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And please, nobody is going to end up dead from these wrecks no matter how vicious they appear. You could go headfirst into the catchfence at Talladega, get flung back into traffic, get t-boned in the door and at worst you might end up with a broken wrist. Which is precisely why nascar will continue to let drivers settle things on track." With the COT, I'd say that's true. But with the current Nationwide car that's hardly the case, just look at Matt and Brad in the race. Thankfully Nationwide's finally getting their own COT for good next season. 136. CFob posted: 07.20.2010 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And please, nobody is going to end up dead from these wrecks no matter how vicious they appear. You could go headfirst into the catchfence at Talladega, get flung back into traffic, get t-boned in the door and at worst you might end up with a broken wrist. Which is precisely why nascar will continue to let drivers settle things on track." Never say never. In the sport of auto racing nothing is certain. Remember this. 137. dUDE gUY posted: 07.20.2010 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And please, nobody is going to end up dead from these wrecks no matter how vicious they appear. You could go headfirst into the catchfence at Talladega, get flung back into traffic, get t-boned in the door and at worst you might end up with a broken wrist. Which is precisely why nascar will continue to let drivers settle things on track. " Life isn't a video game. The cars are incredibly and consistently safe nowadays, but just because the circumstances that could cause a death haven't appeared since Big E died doesn't mean that they won't appear at all. Best to keep racing with the head on your shoulders and not the one between your legs, something Carl seems to have some trouble doing. 138. Neal posted: 07.20.2010 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "With the COT, I'd say that's true." I disagree. As I've said before, these cars are only as safe as the safety devices in them. They are not indestructible. Look at the amount of damage Keselowski's car took from his roof-first impact at Atlanta. The driver's side A-pillar was bent and the greenhouse was partially collapsed over Keselowski's head. Not exactly safe if you ask me. 139. Anonymous posted: 07.21.2010 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I expect either the lightest of slaps on the wrist for Edwards, or something even more gutless like probation for BOTH Carl and Brad." I posted that (comment #77) the day after the race and, voila, that's *exactly* what NASCAR has done: a 60 point penalty for EdRoids and Brad also gets probation! What a crock. 140. RLewis9 posted: 07.21.2010 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why in the world is Brad on probation? NASCAR is beyond screwed up... 141. Anonymous posted: 07.21.2010 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is the press release from NASCAR: DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (July 21, 2010) â?? NASCAR has penalized the No. 60 team and the No. 22 driver for rule violations committed during last Saturdayâ??s NASCAR Nationwide Series race at Gateway International Raceway. The penalties come as a result of violating Section 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing/ aggressive driving) of the 2010 NASCAR Rule Book. Carl Edwards, driver of the No. 60, has been penalized with the loss of 60 NASCAR Nationwide Series championship driver points, fined $25,000 and placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31. Car owner Jack Roush has been penalized with the loss of 60 series championship owner points. Brad Keselowski, driver of the No. 22, has been placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31. 142. New 14&88 posted: 07.21.2010 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If NA$CAR's gonna put Brad probation for a little bump-and-run than they might as well penalize EVERY SINGLE DRIVER because they've all used their bumper on some one at one time or another....what a crock 143. Frank posted: 07.21.2010 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least they did something sufficient AGAINST Edroids. Probation means nothing, but I can't imagine where Brad was wrong at Gateway.... 144. Cooper posted: 07.21.2010 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The penalty of 60 points basically negates the race as part of the championship. Carl received 130 points this race, while Brad received 131. Perfect penalty for Carl. Whether or not Brad should be on probation, I could care less because probation doesn't mean a damn thing. 145. warren posted: 07.21.2010 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) About that press release: 1. Aggressive driving is an action detrimental to stock car racing??? Aggressive driving ***IS*** racing. OTOH, idiotic driving a la Carl Edwards is a different story. 2. Does anyone know if the probation applies only to the N'Wide series or to all series? 3. Nice of NASCAR to make sure that Carl gets the last punch in, and that because of the probation there can be no payback. Or at least Brad's gonna have to be real slick about it. :-) 4. What constitues a probation violation and what happens if a violation occurs? Would NASCAR have the guts to park Backflip Boy if he punts somebody again? I have no doubt that NASCAR wouldn't hesitate one bit to park Brad if they found a reason to do so: he's not in contention for the Chase, he doesn't have a big time sponsor, he's not really a high profile driver - yet. 146. Talon64 posted: 07.21.2010 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "2. Does anyone know if the probation applies only to the N'Wide series or to all series?" The probation counts for all series. I got what I asked for in Carl getting season-long probation, but the points and Brad getting probation too was surprising. I don't think probation matters for Brad, he's going to put all of this behind him anyways as long as he continues to race like he generally has all season then it's practically nothing. But probation for Carl means if he pulls another one of these then it's not only so long Nationwide championship but so long Chase (or hello 12th if it happens in the Chase). 147. Talon64 posted: 07.21.2010 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also I thought this was interesting. Before 14th and 21st place finishes the last two races Brad Keselowski had an average finish of 3.8 on the season, putting him on pace to break the record for lowest average finish by a Busch/Nationwide champion. Sam Ard had a 4.2 average finish in 1984 on the back leg of back-to-back championships. But now Keselowski's average finish is a lowly 5.3. LOL Ironically, the champion with the HIGHEST average finish? Non other than Carl Edwards at 11.8 in 2007 which supports my belief that Carl's championship that year was by default since he had no competition, so even when he was choking hard late in the year and struggling he still ran away with it. 148. petty43 posted: 07.21.2010 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wow i am shocked that they took 60 points, shocked, wow i really did not think nascar had any balls any more, but someone has the stones to do what was right. fair penalty fits the crime, now lets go back to racing. enough with all this bull shit drama, curtis turner used to wreck guys like that and he was a beloved nascar driver, in his time. maybe carl can put this behind him, and show what kind of real talent he has, which i still think is pretty damn good, especially if roush gets their act together. 149. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.21.2010 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What has Brad done to be placed on probation? That is horseshit if I've ever seen it. He overdrives a corner and slides into another car on a small, slick, flat track and gets probation. I'd hate to be NASCAR after the Martinsville race this October. There will be at least 30 drivers on probation after that one. I can't believe NASCAR is gonna side with all the divas. Glad they took points from Carl to negate the advantage he gained by wrecking Brad. It shouldn't matter since neither driver should be worrying about this NWide title, especially Carl who has lots of Cup experience and success. "Ironically, the champion with the HIGHEST average finish? Non other than Carl Edwards at 11.8 in 2007 which supports my belief that Carl's championship that year was by default since he had no competition" That season was a joke, you are right. These have been dark years for this Series. Harvick wins by a huge margain in '06, but in the process hurts his chances at the CUP championship, especially during the Memphis/Atlanta weekend. Bowyer wins one rain shortened race in '08 and is the champ. And last year Kryle Busch runs off with it while missing the cha$e and giving JJ absolutely no run for his 4th straight CUP title. And now this season is being fought out by guys who need to focus on getting their Cup rides up to speed. 150. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.21.2010 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok, gimmie some GOOD logic in why Brad Keselowski is under probation. All he did was run for a win. 151. Anonymous posted: 07.21.2010 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DaleSrFanForever, Crazy Carl thinks he is a Nationwide series driver that is in a cup ride based on the impression I got from an Espn article. That means he thinks he is 2nd teir driver. Carl said on an Espn online article that he is a Nationwide driver with cup sponsorship. Carl said that he is racing for the Nationwide Championship next season in the article. Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/nationwide/news/story?id=5398731 152. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.21.2010 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 60 freaking points is a crock of shit. It should have been much, much steeper. 153. dUDE gUY posted: 07.21.2010 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By leading 136 laps in this race, Keselowski has led 765 laps this year, which is 64 more laps than all of his previous starts combined. 154. Anonymous posted: 07.21.2010 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl still came out on the good end. He would of lost 20 points to Brad instead of 1 if he hadn't wrecked him. And they probably gave Brad probation to keep him from retaliating, which I guess I agree with as long as they don't use it against him if he's in an incident with someone else. 155. Smokefan05 posted: 07.21.2010 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fines and penalities are good enough for me. Atleast can't act like moron now. 156. Anonymous posted: 07.22.2010 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards=dumbass 157. CFob posted: 07.22.2010 - 3:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Carl still came out on the good end. He would of lost 20 points to Brad instead of 1 if he hadn't wrecked him. And they probably gave Brad probation to keep him from retaliating, which I guess I agree with as long as they don't use it against him if he's in an incident with someone else." But Carl would have gained about 60 points on Brad had they left it as be after he wrecked Brad. Also, interesting that NASCAR would preemptively punish Brad so that he CAN'T respond to Carl. I did notice on Brian Keselowski's facebook page that Bob Keselowski submitted his resume to NASCAR to apply for a Nationwide series license... 158. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.22.2010 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK... We have a rulebook, which should be the main regulation document of the series. We have Section 12-1 "Aggressive driving". What I would like to know is what's the text of this section 12-1. I wonder how does this section apply to the 'boys, have at it' approach and how it is possible in the framework of this section to issue penalties in one case and ignore them in other? 159. Talon64 posted: 07.22.2010 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Carl said on an Espn online article that he is a Nationwide driver with cup sponsorship. Carl said that he is racing for the Nationwide Championship next season in the article." LOL, that's just pathetic. But it looks like either Cup drivers won't be able to run for the Nationwide title next year, or it'll be really hard to do it. from Jayski: "NASCAR to limit number of NNS races for Cup drivers; change schedule? Speaking of the Nationwide Series, teams were told in private meetings this week a change to keep Cup drivers from competing for a championship there is virtually assured for 2011. The most likely idea will be a hard cap on the amount of races drivers can compete in elsewhere in NASCAR if they're inside the top-35 in Cup points, rigidly defining a sort of minor-to-major league system. But another interesting option being discussed is making six races on the schedule virtually impossible for Cup drivers to travel to, either putting them on the same day at different tracks or creating more standalone races over 2,000 miles apart each weekend.(Sports Illustrated)(7-22-2010)" So either a hard cap for top 35 Cup drivers, or make it so that there's 6 or so races that would be impossible for Cup drivers to enter due to logistics. But Brian Scott's comments from that ESPN article makes me think that if there's a hard cap then it should be about 20 races. "Unfair or not, some younger drivers don't mind. Rookie Brian Scott, who finished sixth in the Nationwide race last week, appreciated getting schooled by Harvick and Keselowski. Earlier this year, he recalled a race where 'all the Cup guys just blew by me and taught me a lesson,' and last week he gained in the late going. 'I'm glad the Cup guys come down and race with us, because they've sure taught me a lot," Scott said. "I think it's starting to pay off a lot now.'" 160. Talon64 posted: 07.22.2010 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 20 races for Nationwide, since it would include Trucks too. 15 for Trucks, 20 at least) for Nationwide would mean real Nationwide champions and more chances for regulars to win races but still get the benefit of racing and learning from Cup guys on the track. Or 17-18 NNS and 12-13 Trucks, half the season. Around there. 161. rw posted: 07.22.2010 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Comment 160: I want that! I finally want to see Steve Wallace, Brendan Gaughan, etc finally win a Nationwide race instead of being behind the Cup guys. 162. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.23.2010 - 1:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "LOL, that's just pathetic." I agree. His #1 focus as a well-known Cup driver should be breaking through and winning THAT championship instead of losing to JJ every year. In my opinion, they should still be allowed to run half the schedule if they wish, because youngsters like Brian Scott can learn a lot from racing against guys from NASCAR's top series. And there will be a much less chance of them winning a majority of the races. But as far as winning a championship goes, the Cup guys should focus on winning it in their own series, so the Nationwide title can once again be won by a regular. I would still watch every race even if there were no Cup guys in it. 163. Anonymous posted: 07.23.2010 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else think the timing of NASCAR finally doing something about Cup drivers has something to do with Danica Patrick joining the series? Maybe NASCAR has a delusion of Danica winning a race and that's what it takes to get rid of this problem. Imagine how interesting the NW series will be next year if DiBenedetto is full time in the 18, Hornaday in the 33, Dillion in the 21. Could be 2003 all over again. 164. Smiff_99 posted: 07.23.2010 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In my opinion, they should limit it to even LESS than 20 races. With 20 races per Cup driver, there will still be so much overlapping that the Cup guys will still win 34 races. Think about it......Bowyer, Logano, Edwards, Keselowski, Hamlin, Busch, Biffle, Kenseth.......any one of those guys could win any given Nationwide race on any given weekend. Yes, we would get a true Busch-league champion, but we'd still have to watch all those same guys win all the races. I wan Brian Scott to get his due.... I want to see Scott Lagasse contending for wins.....I want Gaughn and Keller and Raines to be the big shots, dammit. P.S.-Anonymous (post #163)......if ONLY we could have another season like '03. That was one of my most favorite seasons in a racing series.....EVER. 165. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.23.2010 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love the hard cap idea. But there is one amendment to that I would like to see that would be tough to figure out: They shouldn't let the Cup drivers pick and choose which events they can enter. That way there will be no races with one or two Cup drivers and no competition. Otherwise you will end up with a deal like the Gateway Truck race which only had one Cup driver in good equipment (Harvick) and one other Cup driver in small time equipment (Brad). The result? A blowout by Harvick with Kes finishing a distant 2nd. Now of course this will lead to a huge pissing match between tracks as to who gets which companion event. Specifically Bruton Smith will be raising hell if SMI gets cut off. So here is my suggestion: 15 companion NWide races. No tracks will have two NWide companion races, they only get one companion event. With 15 races, independently owned Dover gets one. Then ISC gets 7 (Daytona (Feb), Richmond, Phoenix (April night),Darlington, Watkins Glen, Michigan and Homestead) and SMI gets 7 (Charlotte (fall), Atlanta, Texas, Bristol (night), Vegas, Kentucky (which will have a Cup date next year), and Loudon). Like has been said, it will be great to see new names fighting for wins and the championship while getting true development for the future. Plus, the Cup guys won't be as used to the NWide cars as the regulars, so they would have a leg up. Yes this would result in an initial decline in ratings and attendance, but it will pay off in the long run. We will develop fresh blood for the Cup Series (no more Kevin Conway vs Start and Park Driver X for ROY), and won't have to see these Cup guys lowering their dignity trying to win a minor league title, and force them to focus on the Cup and maybe, just maybe, actually beating JJ for the CUP title one year. 166. icazzy posted: 07.23.2010 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #165 Well said. 167. Paul Tracy posted: 07.25.2010 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The very reason why I hate Carl Edwards 168. Daniel posted: 05.21.2012 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #52 Chris Lawson & #73 Derrike Cope Out using fastest 43: #21 Morgan Shepherd & #23 Alex Kennedy 169. ch posted: 07.18.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #36 Owner: Bob Jenkins (Team was still run by Front Row) 170. ch posted: 07.22.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #92 / #96 Owner: Bob Keselowski (Teammate to the #26) 171. Evan W. posted: 05.18.2014 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Most despicable act by a driver in this day and age, I have ever seen, Earnhardt spun Terry Labonte twice at Bristol, the first was after the checkers in 1995, the second was 1999 where he wrecked him and went to victory lane for it. The 1999 incident with Earnhardt was right up there this one. Carl Edwards just turned dead left and took Brad Keselowski out which purpoted a response from Keselowski's father who wanted to go a few rounds with Edwards after the race. Keselowski had to put up with Edwards being in the field during that Nationwide run. That being said, what Carl did that night was uncalled for. 172. Braindead Zombie posted: 06.26.2016 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Lost in all the chaos was Tony Raines getting his final career top ten in any NASCAR series. 173. Wil posted: 01.19.2020 - 9:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) After a lot of digging I have found it: footage of Kevin Harvick losing control of his car all on his own and crashing. To my knowledge the only time its happened in his 2 decade career. Now all I need is one example of MTJ just losing the car (don't think its ever happened) and I'll have an example for every driver. 174. Zach posted: 01.19.2020 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @173 Does Indy 2017 count when he got loose under Kyle Busch and they both wrecked? 175. Anonymous posted: 01.19.2020 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 173 Kevin Harvick finished 16th running at the finish on the lead lap. He did not crash out of the race as you imply. Besides, find a Cup race where it actually matters him crashing out in, not an Xfinity race in which he didn't run a full schedule. Another thing, the cars are built so well aerodynamically now that a lot of drivers aren't going to just crash out. Drivers now "save" cars all the time. Even the mediocre drivers save a lot of cars. It wouldn't have happened as opposed to the 70's-early 90's due to the cars not being aerodynamically as good as they are today. 176. Wil posted: 01.19.2020 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @175 Where in my comment did I imply he crashed out? You can wreck your car while still being able to finish the race. You think he finished 16th in an Xfinity race on speed? Also- your last point is a good one. My comment was simply meant to complement Harvick. In the early to mid 2000s, he had arguably the best car control in the field, and never crashed. He caused a stupid crash in the 2005 Gatorade 150, but that was stupidity rather than a lack of car control. 177. Wil posted: 01.19.2020 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @214 Good question! I meant just losing the car running by himself. But that is the only time I've seen truex get aero loose. Likewise I've only seen Harvick get aero loose when he wrecked Chastain at Darlington last year, and when he took out Stewart in 2008 at Bristol. 178. Anonymous posted: 02.27.2020 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I did not see the race until about 2 days later I flew to Indiana because my Mom passed, Thats the reason. But it was a controversial finish, 179. SweetRich posted: 02.27.2020 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commentators for the race were Dave Burns, Rusty Wallace and Ricky Craven. The pit road reporters were Jerry Punch, Mike Massaro and Shannon Spake. 180. rm posted: 03.21.2021 - 7:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) When Jason Keller pulled onto pit road following his spectacular tire blowout, his right rear briefly flashed some green flames along the way. Now I'm no pyrotechnic expert, but I don't think that's supposed to happen and I don't think I've ever seen that before. 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