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  1.   18fan posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:20 pm
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I didn't watch the race so I'm interested in how ESPN handled the
"history" that Kyle Busch made in this race. I remember seeing a couple
days ago that SPEED was going to do something comparing Kyle's career to
other NASCAR greats and I was saying to myself it doesn't compare.


  2.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:23 pm
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Kyle Busch as great as David Pearson and Richard Petty.

Barf.


  3.   18fan posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:31 pm
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Couldn't say it better myself, and I have been a huge Kyle fan since his
rookie year.


  4.   DaleJrFan20 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:32 pm
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KYLE BUSCH MAKES HISTORY TODAY CAUSE OUR ARTIFICIAL STATISTICS SAY SO!

Harvick said it best: "I would've done something, but NASCAR wouldn't
let me." Time for about a years worth of Kyle Busch dick sucking by ESPN
(oh, great, as if they don't do that enough already) because of this
brat who needs to run in an overfunded car in lower series to make
himself look better.

In other news, Steve Wallace was an absolute tool today...and that's
saying something.


  5.   ESPN posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:33 pm
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Amazing to observe such history today as the history the historic Kyle
Busch made. He scored his historic 100th NASCAR win in this historic
race holding off drivers who don't matter on multiple late restarts
because the super awesome son of our very own Rusty Wallace kept
accidently causing historic wrecks that couldn't keep the amazing Kyle
Busch from making history. 100 wins! He is in the same historic category
as all time legends because we say so. So amazing to get to see this
history every week on Saturdays on ESPN. Make sure to watch some
historic Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN as well.

History.


  6.   RaceFanX posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:34 pm
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Rowdy's 100th win in the three major NASCAR touring series and
record-tying 49th win in the Busch series giving him a share of the
record with Mark Martin.

Is it on par with Richard, David or even Jimmie; No. Is it still
impressive; Yeah, somewhat. The fact that 4/5ths of them are in
Nationwide/Truck races in an era where neither series is heavy on talent
holds it back a bit.


  7.   Anonymous posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:43 pm
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Is this the thread where we bash Busch because the media has made an
artificially big deal about one of his stats? Oh, looks like I'm already
late.

He's never said it compares with any other great driver. It's just a
number. 200 is a just a personal goal. Focus your hate on the members of
NASCAR media that perpetrate this BS. Yeah, he has 100 NASCAR wins. So?
It's up to you to determine how you feel about that number.

About the race itself, how does Steven Wallace even have a driver's
license? What a worthless idiot. It must be hard to be Rusty Wallace
calling these races when his son drives like a wrecking ball.


  8.   DaleJrFan20 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:45 pm
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Oh, and did anyone notice how on the 2nd to last restart ESPN called
Kyle's restart "patented"? I never knew jumping restarts every time was
patented.


  9.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:48 pm
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ESPN is hilarious in the way their commentators contantly compare Kyle's
100 win record throughout all three series to guys with a high win total
in Cup alone (such as Richard Petty, David Pearson etc.). It's a nice
feat, but it in NO WAY compares to past legends who won championships
and most of their races in Cup. I mean, you don't see Mark Martin (who
has a similar record and even came to victory lane to congratulate Kyle)
getting praised this much.

At only 26 years old, Kyle has 22 Sprint Cup victories. That's the only
stat that matters, and it's a damn good stat so I ask again, what is the
purpose of comparing him to past legends because of his overall win
total throughout all three series???

Kasey Kahne makes his first NASCAR start for Hendrick Motorsports...
oops, I mean JRM.

Good runs for Stenhouse, Almirola, Kenny Wallace, and Annett. I was
hoping Stenhouse would use Kyle up in those final laps.

Steve Wallace is headed for a top five until he gets caught up in the
wreck with Brian Scott among others. I didn't tune in until 7 laps to
go, so I only saw that part along with Kyle's so called "history-making"
moment.


  10.   Rusty posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:50 pm
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"Kasey Kahne makes his first NASCAR start for Hendrick Motorsports...
oops, I mean JRM."

Actually, Kahne drove the #7 last week at Kentucky to a 4th place finish.

Trevor Bayne had one of his better Nationwide races, leading 58 laps
before being caught up in a late accident and had to settle for 13th.
Kenny Wallace keeps finding ways to get top 10s, very cool to see him
stay somewhat competitive.


  11.   KBM18 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:51 pm
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Looks like Harvick is still hung up on this one-sided rivalry he has
with Busch. Keep on whining instead of focusing on winning races, see
where that gets you at the end of the season. Busch moved on months ago,
he doesn't care about you or what you do. Get over it, Harvick. The more
you keep complaining about this perceived favoritism, the more respect
we all lose for you. And there was very little left to begin with,
especially after you couldn't even accept a simple handshake after Sonoma.

I know Busch has had his problems, but come on, is there anyone who
thinks Harvick is coming off as the bigger man in this "rivalry" anymore?


  12.   StevenWallaceCan'tDrive posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:53 pm
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"Steve Wallace is headed for a top five until he gets caught up in the
wreck with Brian Scott among others. I didn't tune in until 7 laps to
go, so I only saw that part along with Kyle's so called "history-making"
moment."

So you missed the other 2 accidents he caused in the race, taking out
contenders, altering the points race, and possibly even affecting the
outcome of this race. It was one of his worst races, and one of the
dumbest races I've ever seen a so-called "professional" race car driver
put together.


  13.   dirtfan9628 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 8:57 pm
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"Oh, and did anyone notice how on the 2nd to last restart ESPN called
Kyle's restart "patented"? I never knew jumping restarts every time was
patented."

Haha, sounds like somebody is jealous.

Prove that he jumps restarts. Go on, prove it. Not just according to
your warped perception and incorrect definition, show me an actual
jumped restart with evidence.

Until then you're just a whiny, jealous, Harvick fan.


  14.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:03 pm
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Did he really drive around with a flag that said "100" on it? Yeesh. I'm
glad I missed this one. I'd hate to see how ESPN handled it. I just saw
the picture online. But it did get me to thinking. Here are some other
numbers Kyle should have paraded around the race track:

78: The percentage of those wins that came in the minor leagues.

375: The number he is behind Richie Evans for wins in a national touring
Series. Not to mention he won 9 championships, 8 of which were in a row
and an active streak at the time of his tragic passing.

245: Since Jimmie Johnson has 2.45 times as many Cup victories as Kyle,
if he drove as much in the lower Series in the same quality of equipment
as Kyle and took it as seriously as Kyle, that is how many "total NASCAR
wins" JJ would have (54 in Cup, 120 in NWide, 71 in Trucks).

1982: The year that NASCAR decided everything that had previously
happened in this Series no longer counted. Otherwise he would have a lot
of company.

5: The number of Sprint Cup titles JJ has won since Kyle began driving
full time in Cup.

0: The number of cha$e wins he has as a cha$er. The number of times he
has entered Homestead with a mathematical shot at the Cup title. The
number of Truck starts by legends such as Petty, Pearson, Yarborough,
Allison, Earnhardt, and Gordon. The amount of pride Kyle should be
feeling right now considering he is being badly outperformed by JJ. The
number of times he's finished highest in points among his teammates.

40: The number of Cup wins Jeff Gordon had at the exact same age Kyle is
now, almost double.

1: The number of times he has been beaten up by a senior citizen.

10.47: The amount his career winning percentage in Cup drops when
comparing the first 26 races of the year and the final 10 (excluding '04).


  15.   DaleJrFan20 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:08 pm
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@Dirtfan9628

I think Harvick is okay, but I'm far from a fan of his. And do you not
watch NASCAR at all? He's been doing that "patented restart" for at
least a year and a half now. Now go back to worshiping whatever ESPN
tells you to worship.

@DaleSrFan

I don't agree with alot of what you say, but you nailed pretty much
everything there.


  16.   BLabonte47 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:10 pm
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Looks like DSFF is jealous that Kyle Busch has more NASCAR wins than his
hero Earnhardt. It is alright, almost everyone is behind Kyle in wins
now and won't be long until he is sitting at the top of NASCAR's all
time win list.

Also, great job by Krashalotski to spin himself out after dropping like
a rock from the lead late.


  17.   AlmirolaFan88 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:21 pm
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Steve Wallace and Brian Scott are co-winners of the Alex Kennedy Award.

The JR Motorsports cars were attached at the hip pretty much all race,
as a result the #88 & #7 finished in the Top 5 together for the first
time all season.

Kenny Wallace picks up his 8th Top 10 of the season, and Michael Annett
picked up his 4th straight Top 10.

Kyle Busch ties Mark Martin for the most wins all time in the Nationwide
Series with 49. He will likely set a record that will never be broken,
or at least never broken by a true Nationwide regular. Careers in the
Nationwide Series just don't last anymore (Just ask Jason Keller), and
young developement drivers come and go every few years.


  18.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:21 pm
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"Actually, Kahne drove the #7 last week at Kentucky to a 4th place finish."

Another oops on my part. That shows how much I pay attention to and care
about this series as long as only Cup drivers are winning the races.

"So you missed the other 2 accidents he caused in the race, taking out
contenders, altering the points race, and possibly even affecting the
outcome of this race. It was one of his worst races, and one of the
dumbest races I've ever seen a so-called "professional" race car driver
put together."

Like I said, I didn't see the race until 7 to go which was right before
the last wreck Steve was involved in, which is why I didn't say anything
about it.


  19.   iceman39261 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:22 pm
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I'm trying to figure why Rusty Wallace would not admit that Steven
actually turn down to take Jason Leffler out. He said it looked like
Leffler came up & Steven when down. He say he needed to look at more
replays. Well ESPN show 3 or 4 different replays & hell Steven just took
him out. He wants to be like his daddy. Rusty was a real driver & Steven
he is, well he not a race car driver. Wish Nascar would took another
look at this & parked him for a race or the rest of his career. Their
are so many drivers that need a good ride & can't get them because you
got guys racing that need to fine another career. STEVEN WALLACE IS A
IDIOT. SOMEBODY PLEASE PARK HIM!


  20.   rw posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:32 pm
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Can someone tell me how the F does Kyle Boosch compare to legends like
Petty and Pearson?

Since I honestly didn't know that Nationwide wins, mean so much to
actual CUP RACING.

My god.

I wanna puke.

As I keep saying the last real good Busch (Nationwide) season was 2004,
sure there were cup guys winning, but the Busch guys were really
competitive.


  21.   V12 Matra posted:
  07.16.2011 - 9:52 pm
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I dont hate Kyle Busch, but its as if the media and some of his *fans*
are trying to make me do so. If Kyle ever gets 100 wins in the Cup
Series and at least 1 championship in Cup, then I will be impressed.


  22.   Cooper posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:00 pm
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Isn't it fitting that #18's 100th win would come in the Nationwide
Series. Congratulations to Jason Ratcliffe and that whole team.

Steven Wallace is my hero. Finished 9th today. Good run for him.

And how bout Kenny freaking Wallace. Another great Top 10.

100 is just a number. What it depends on, is what you believe in...
Do you believe that Nationwide wins should have the same weight as Cup
wins? I don't.

Do you believe a driver should ride around in a flag with a number on
it, when the stands are half empty because it's a companion event. I don't.

If "TOTAL NASCAR WINS" is what matters, then that makes Brad Keselowski
a better driver than Sterling Marlin. And as a fan of both, that's a
crockpot full of BS.

I don't have any sour grapes about this because in reality I don't give
a crap about his 78 (Yep 78) victories in the lower series.


  23.   New 14&88 Fan posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:02 pm
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Is Kyle Busch to most naturally talented driver in NASCAR right now,
Hell Yes!

Do his 100 career NASCAR wins compare with those of Petty and Pearson,
No and if you asked Kyle himself that he'd more than likely agree.


Didn't catch the end of the race but going by the comments the Son of
Rusty claimed more victims beside Jason Leffler, the first contact
between 'em wasn't even intentional so for Steve to just dump Leffler
was completely uncalled for...of course Rusty and the rest of the ESPN
cheerleading/broadcast booth tried to come up with every excuse in the
book form him, watching that was almost comical.



"It's a nice feat, but it in NO WAY compares to past legends who won
championships and most of their races in Cup. I mean, you don't see Mark
Martin (who has a similar record and even came to victory lane to
congratulate Kyle) getting praised this much."


Exactly, no other driver who's ever driven and/or won races in all three
top series has had their win totals combined and then blown out of
proportion like shrub's have been.Otherwise he'd have a lot of company
in the "100 Nascar Series Wins" Category.


  24.   18fan posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:07 pm
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Kyle should have also paraded around with these numbers:

1: His position in Cup points right now. Also his ranking in wins this year.
2: How many more wins Kyle has than Jimmie Johnson this year.
4: How many more top 5s he has than Jimmie Johnson right now.
1060: How many laps Kyle has led this year. Jimmie Johnson is second
with 473.

DSFF, last year Kyle's chase runs were actually good. Loudon he finished
9th after spinning with Jimmie Johnson. Dover he should've finished
higher than 6th, but he still finished 6th. Kansas Reutimann retaliated
at him for a racing incident. At Fontana he had one of the best cars in
the field but his engine blew. At Charlotte he had the best car until
the final run and he still outdrove Jimmie Johnson who had the superior
car at that point. Martinsville he had a 4th place finish. Talladega is
a crap shoot and he was one of the best cars but got shuffled out of
line late and was caught up in the last lap crash. At Texas he melted
down. At Phoenix he was running third when he had similar fuel mileage
issues to Denny Hamlin. And at Homestead he was running strong until
Harvick dumped him. Although he wasn't as good as the 48, 11, and 29, he
was as good as anybody else but his results don't show that.


  25.   Larry posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:21 pm
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"Did he really drive around with a flag that said "100" on it? Yeesh.
I'm glad I missed this one. I'd hate to see how ESPN handled it. I just
saw the picture online. But it did get me to thinking. Here are some
other numbers Kyle should have paraded around the race track:"

I don't understand, is he not supposed to be proud of having 100 wins?
Geez, it's just a number, people like you and the media are the ones
that feel the need to attach unnecessary baggage to it.


  26.   dirtfan9628 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:25 pm
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"And do you not watch NASCAR at all? He's been doing that "patented
restart" for at least a year and a half now. Now go back to worshiping
whatever ESPN tells you to worship."

So that's your proof then? A big bunch of nothing? I watch every single
NASCAR race, and I don't see him breaking any rules. And neither does
NASCAR. And neither do the announcers. And neither do the other drivers.
You however, believe he's getting away with murder, yet when pressed for
evidence you have absolutely none. Yeah, I guess I really should believe
you instead of what I actually see with my own eyes and all the other
people who actually know what's going on.

I repeat, you're jealous. Get over it.


  27.   Smokefan05 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:26 pm
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I know its being awhile since i last posted (i have my reasons for NOT
posting) but this "history" making "moment" deserves something from me.

100 wins................doesn't mean a thing. Cup wins, and
Championships do. as well as someones impact on the sport of NASCAR.
Kyle Busch has done the latter of these things, but lacks in the other 2
areas. I still don't trust him come Chase time (i'd trust the 48 bunch
for that task).

People in the media must really be bored if they if a crap about 100
"total" NASCAR wins. Perhaps the media (namely ESPN) should give NASCAR
(as whole) more coverage so that they look like they deserve to have
their TV contract re-newed when the time comes. But instead they look
like a bunch of morons for doing this.

"78: The percentage of those wins that came in the minor leagues."

This stat says it all and its scary. People in the media have no idea
that this stat is exsists.

"Harvick said it best: "I would've done something, but NASCAR wouldn't
let me.""

Harvick needs to STFU, and suck it up. He didn't get the job done.


  28.   00andJoe posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:33 pm
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  29.   00andJoe posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:38 pm
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This is kinda out-of-character for me, but I hope Steve Wallace gets
fined. He absolutely blatantly turned Jason Leffler - there's no excuse
possible. You thought Harvick and Busch getting together at Darlington
was obvious? It was downright fogged-in compared to this...

#19 - I can't decide if the awkward silence after the replays were
played or Rusty's grasping at straws once they finally started talking
again was funnier.


  30.   potatosalad48 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 10:59 pm
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100 wins combined in all 3 Nascar Series for Kyle Busch. Not that this
actually means anything. Steve Wallace looked like a bull in a china
shop as he wrecked numerous cars all day. Also, ESPN brought in Ricky
Craven to counter-act Rusty Wallace and Marty "Making History" Reid.


  31.   Cooper posted:
  07.16.2011 - 11:02 pm
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"29. 00andJoe posted:
07.16.11 - 10:38 pm"
Stenhouse got into him, which I think contributed to the incident.
Steven Wallace isn't the type of driver to intentionally wreck someone.

"25. Larry posted:
07.16.11 - 10:21 pm"
Will he wave a flag with the number 101 next time he wins? I hope so.
That can become his victory ritual. It would be less egotistical than
his current celebration.

"27. Smokefan05 posted:
07.16.11 - 10:26 pm"
You should comment here more often. You make sense 99% of the time.
Which is pretty good. And I agree Kevin needs to STFU. His obsession
with Kyle is verging on the creepy/insane scale.

"26. dirtfan9628 posted:
07.16.11 - 10:25 pm"
Kyle always brings the field down slow, then accelerates at the double
red lines. It's legal but it's not fair. It's NASCAR's job to govern the
restarts. And until NASCAR tells Kyle to adjust his restarts, I have no
problems.

"24. 18fan posted:
07.16.11 - 10:07 pm"

Your favourite driver will be crowned the 2011 Sprint Cup
Champion(IMHO). Continue to enjoy the success. Your the one #18 fan that
I can actually respect.


  32.   Anonymous posted:
  07.16.2011 - 11:17 pm
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BLabonte47, you are such a failure at making intelligent points. I was
not an Earnhardt fan, but Earnhardt had 76 Cup wins to Kyle's current
22. You don't just count every lower series in order to inflate your
total. If we did, we might as well add all the races in any NASCAR
sanctioned division that Earnhardt won, which would be well above Kyle's
100. Heck, Dale never even made a truck start in his entire career.
Major league pitchers don't count their minor league wins and compare em
to the great pitchers of baseball. I feel the same way about NASCAR.
Compare Cup wins to Cup wins and leave the lower division nonsense out
of it if you want to see who's seen the top of NASCAR.


  33.   DaleJrFan20 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 11:21 pm
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"26. dirtfan9628 posted:
07.16.11 - 10:25 pm"
Kyle always brings the field down slow, then accelerates at the double
red lines. It's legal but it's not fair. It's NASCAR's job to govern the
restarts. And until NASCAR tells Kyle to adjust his restarts, I have no
problems.

Pretty much explains it. Perhaps jumping wasn't the right word, but its
still one of the cheapest moves in the book.


  34.   dUDE gUY posted:
  07.16.2011 - 11:27 pm
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Meh.


  35.   Dodge posted:
  07.16.2011 - 11:37 pm
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The only reason why Steven "No Talent" Wallace has a ride is that daddy
is the team owner and that 5 Hour Energy has NO CLUE what they are doing
with their NASCAR sponsorship. There is a Wallace that I think given the
right opportunity, can succeed and their name is Chrissy Wallace. She's
gotta be a better driver than Steve. As for the person that said that
Stenhouse got into him, he did but it was a few seconds before that
intentional dumping. All I gotta say is maybe all the drivers in the
garage that have been victimized by Steve will decide that they have to
retaliate against him. It definately won't be a surprise and then maybe
Rusty will be forced to make a change. As for the second RWI car, it
looks like Annett is actually starting to figure it out.


  36.   c2 posted:
  07.16.2011 - 11:49 pm
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Good runs for Blake Koch and Eric McClure.


  37.   WallaceFan posted:
  07.16.2011 - 11:51 pm
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Steve had a bad day. He started 2 wrecks, and then was wrecked himself.
Please go ahead and name someone who hasnt started a wreck once in their
career. And please stay away from the overall consensus "he does this
everyweek" because that is obviously ridiculous. This would be the first
accidents hes caused this season.

With all that said, no defending him..he obviously started these two
wrecks. First one potentially intentional....second one just racing. But
chill out and focus on the race instead of the easy 'wrecking ball'
comments...which havent been true since 2007.
Kyle Busch won #49 and #100. <- The Real story.


  38.   Eric posted:
  07.17.2011 - 12:35 am
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The 100 Nascar wins in Nascar suctioned series was made too much of a
bid deal. Espn is even putting false facts in online by claiming Richard
and David Pearson are the only other driver that have over 100 Nascar wins.

Here are drivers that I am sure about that have over 100 career Nascar
wins in terms of a national series besides Kyle Busch:

Richard Petty
David Pearson
Joe Weatherly (he won over a 100 Nascar modified races in his career)
Richie Evans
Jerry Cook
Dale Earnhardt Sr - he raced in Nascar sanctioned series outside of the
cup series back in the 1970's.
Bobby Allison - he won 2 champions in the Nascar Modified Series with
his amount of wins being unknown, raced in what is now the Nationwide
series in 1969 and 1974 despite being a full time cup driver.

I am sure there are a lot more drivers than I mentioned that
accomplished that before Kyle did, but those stats seem to be lost in
time for what is the Nationwide series before 1982 and the modified
series before 1985.


  39.   18fan posted:
  07.17.2011 - 1:27 am
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In my opinion, as a diehard Kyle fan, Kyle would have a Cup
championship(2008) if he didn't run so many Nationwide and Truck races.
He's clearly shown the ability to beat the best in Cup races,
considering that since 2005 only Jimmie Johnson(40) has more wins, he's
won a race every year since he went full time, and he's won at least 3
races every year he's been at Gibbs. He is also handling the whole
situation with Harvick better than he has handled stuff before.


  40.   Ivan Balakhonov posted:
  07.17.2011 - 1:49 am
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Steve Wallace = failure of the race car driver
Rusty Wallace = failure of the TV commentator.

Carl Edwards saved my day providing a funny and insightful comments in
the booth.

All in all, the race I want to forget as soon as possible. At least
Steve's idiotic actions cost Sorenson only three points in championship
battle.


  41.   Curran posted:
  07.17.2011 - 2:50 am
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Hats off to Kyle Busch!!!!!

While it certainly doesn't mean what 100 cup wins would, it's still one
hell of an accomplishment - Especially at the age of 26.

Get angry at the way ESPN has handled it all you want but you better
start learning to tolerate Kyle Busch winning. Otherwise, you are going
to be pretty miserable for a long, long time. As young as Kyle is, he's
really only just hitting his stride right now.


  42.   dirtbag posted:
  07.17.2011 - 2:53 am
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"In my opinion, as a diehard Kyle fan"

Diehard Kyle fan my a$$. You're the same guy that's always siding with
everyone else, every time Kyle is involved in any kind of incident. It's
like you want everyone here to like you, so you're afraid to stand up
for your driver just because it wouldn't be popular. He's not always
wrong you know. But every time people are picking sides, you're either
saying he was wrong, or him and the other guy are equally wrong. That's
not diehard to me. Honestly, considering how often you criticize him, I
wonder why you're a fan at all. You don't appear to be a fan of how he
drives, how he acts, or anything he does on or off the track.


  43.   BLabonte47 posted:
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"BLabonte47, you are such a failure at making intelligent points. I was
not an Earnhardt fan, but Earnhardt had 76 Cup wins to Kyle's current
22. You don't just count every lower series in order to inflate your
total. If we did, we might as well add all the races in any NASCAR
sanctioned division that Earnhardt won, which would be well above Kyle's
100. Heck, Dale never even made a truck start in his entire career.
Major league pitchers don't count their minor league wins and compare em
to the great pitchers of baseball. I feel the same way about NASCAR.
Compare Cup wins to Cup wins and leave the lower division nonsense out
of it if you want to see who's seen the top of NASCAR."

NASCAR is NASCAR, minor league baseball leagues are not MLB teams. Not
the same.

Kyle Busch is only 26 and he's already beat Dale Earnhardt in wins. It
isn't even close, Kyle Busch is 10x the driver Earnhardt ever was.
NASCAR has never seen anyone dominate like Kyle Busch does, he'll be the
all time winner in NASCAR before you know it.


  44.   Anonymous posted:
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"There is a Wallace that I think given the right opportunity, can
succeed and their name is Chrissy Wallace. She's gotta be a better
driver than Steve."

Uh, have you ever seen Chrissy Wallace race? She makes Steve look like
Mark Martin. She's a walking wrecking ball and never shows any signs of
speed. Steve's been very clean and much easier on equipment since the
beginning of 2008, and he was fast in the Nationwide Series right out of
the gate. Steve's a rough driver that might not ever make it in Cup, but
Chrissy is a million times worse. Something worth pointing out is that
I'm shocked any time an RWR finds it's way into the top 5. Reutimann was
running about 20th all race last week at Kentucky. The same guy who
finishes 2nd in the Cup race a night later. RWR has work to do.


  45.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
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I am a Jeff Gordon fan, but I am inclined to believe Harvick's comment
that he was ordered to let Busch win. Harvick is an idiot and a jerk,
but when he speaks, he speaks truth. Yes, I have several times in all
three series see Shrub be on the throttle well before the restart line.
I remember that at IRP in 2008 Shrub so blatantly jumped the restart and
got away with it (winning by over 1 second in one two laps when the
announcers said 2nd place Colin Braun was faster) that the announcers
that there was something fishy and it should be a penalty. Does anyone
else remember this race (great moments of ESPN)?


  46.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
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BLabonte47: It is still an accomplishment, but it is never-the-less
picking on poor guys trying to go out there and win a race in a $500,000
budget versus Joe Gibbs $10,000,000 budget (notice two commas). The
difference between now and then was that in the 80s and 90s was that Cup
guys either owner-drivered in the NNS, drove for another Cup guy, or
drove for a Busch team. It went downhill when Roush started his Busch
team because Mark Martin had been fired by Bill Davis in favor of a
development driver. Actually, all minor league baseball teams are either
owned-by or an affiliate of an MLB team, same in hockey, and basketball;
so, yes, it is the same thing. In Europe, F1 drivers are forbidden to
run any series. Two years ago, Romain Grosjean had to forfeit second in
the GP2 series points to finish the F1 season for Renault. They don't
cry about it, though.


  47.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.17.2011 - 9:26 am
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I mentioned this in the comments page on Kyle Busch, but while I
congratulate Kyle Busch on 100 victories in NASCAR's top three series,
this is and should be considered an UNOFFICIAL stat. for those that say
he joins Petty and Pearson fpr winning 100 NASCAR races, I say BALONEY
to that. Petty and Pearson did so in NASCAR's top series, though Pearson
did win one NNS race in the early 1980s. I wonder why NASCAR gives Kyle
credit for winning 100 races in the top three series and still won't
give Bobby Allison credit for his win in that combination race in 1971,
which would give him 85 official victories, as just about everybody
believes that he, in fact, has. However, Busch's win is his 49th in the
NNS, tying Mark Martin's series record, and for that, he will and should
get full credit and my congratulations.

Also, whilw watching the race at New hampshire, it's still evident that,
while I still have Stenhouse as my #1 driver to watch in the future, but
he's still got a lot to learn, as he made two REALLY dumb mistakes that
could've proved disastrous for him, one of which did prove disastrous
for Jason Leffler. Early in the race, he tried an extremely
overambitious move on Justin Allgaier that wasn't going to work in a
miilion years, and luckily, only spun himself out. That move could've
taken himself, Allgaier, and Trevor Bayne out of the race right there
and then. Then around the halfway point, he bumped Steve Wallace (who
ran over Joey Logano late in the race, causing Logano and Bayne to spin,
and taking Reed Sorenson out of the running, as well) in the middle of
the straightaway, which knocked Wallace into Leffler, sending Leffler
into the wall almost head-on. Yes, Stenhouse may be the brightest hope
for the future, but not if he keeps making boneheaded moves like that.

Meanwhile, I don't know what has changed in him, but it was nice to see
Trevor Bayne not back off, even when a teammate (Carl Edwards) tried to
pinch him off just after a restart. Earlier in the season, Bayne would
have backed out of it almost immediately. But unlike Stenhouse and Steve
Wallace, who's overaggressiveness gets them into trouble, the way Bayne
raced on most restarts and through the race, is what I call
assertiveness, rather than flat-out aggressiveness. Bayne even showed
flashes that he could actually dominate a race, leading more laps in
this race (58) than he has led in any NNS race he's been in. I don't
know what had gotten into him (I think it was that episode at road
America, when he was way too conservative under the first caution
period, even admitting so), but I think he's finally come to a
realization that he has to run the car harder, and may be beginning to
realize, that he CAN run the car harder. Yet, unlike Stenhouse and Steve
Wallace, he did so in a CONTROLLED manner. If he can continue to do so,
he may upset the apple carton in terms of the championship race, even
though he can't contend for it himself, as well as finally realize his
full potential. So while Stenhouse and Steve Wallace could be called
really aggressive, to the point of sometimes being wreckless, the way
Bayne ran is what I call being more assertive than aggressive. And there
is a definite difference between the two.


  48.   Dodge posted:
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Uh, have you ever seen Chrissy Wallace race? She makes Steve look like
Mark Martin. She's a walking wrecking ball and never shows any signs of
speed. Steve's been very clean and much easier on equipment since the
beginning of 2008, and he was fast in the Nationwide Series right out of
the gate. Steve's a rough driver that might not ever make it in Cup, but
Chrissy is a million times worse. Something worth pointing out is that
I'm shocked any time an RWR finds it's way into the top 5. Reutimann was
running about 20th all race last week at Kentucky. The same guy who
finishes 2nd in the Cup race a night later. RWR has work to do.

She was in garbage equipment. Germain only cared about Todd when she
came up and in her other races that she ran, 1 in truck was with Rick
Ware and the 2 Nationwide starts were for Stanton Barrett/Rick Ware. Not
even top of the line. As for your comment that Chrissy make Steve look
like Mark Martin, that is a load of BS. Sure, Steve don't cause many
wrecks anymore, he is due to. Been a while. Remember, at the roadcourse
a few weeks ago he was called to the hauler. Not sure why he was called
there then but still.


  49.   cjs3872 posted:
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Again, fellow posters, the accident that knocked Jason Leffler out of
the race was caused by Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., not Steve Wallace, as
Stenhouse knocked Wallace into Leffler, causing Leffler to crash.
Leffler even said after watching the replays that it wasn't Wallace's
fault. (There are too many posters who don't have an accurate account of
what happened to mention them one-by-one.)

And what was it about the Turner motorsports drivers that they ended up
getting involved in other's problems in the race at New Hampshire.
Leffler got caught up in the Stenhouse-Wallace incident, Stenhouse also
nearly spun Justin Allgaier because he drove in far too hard, spiining
himself in order not to spin out Allgaier in an inxident that nearly too
out Stenhouse's own teammate (and would have if it weren't for Bayne's
alertness), and Reed Sorenson getting taken out in the chain reaction
that followed Steve Wallace's absolute take-out of Joey Logano and Bayne.


  50.   Cooper posted:
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"43. BLabonte47 posted:
07.17.11 - 3:54 am"
Better than Earnhardt???????A seven time champion. Kyle Busch has the
same amount of championships as Brad Keselowski, and he's better than
Earnhardt??????
Not sure if serious.

Bobby Labonte was a better driver than Kyle Busch in that #18.


  51.   44 posted:
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The one person in life who I wish would not have been created: Steve
Wallace. Even if Stenhouse nudged him (which he didn't assholes cause
they showed the frickin bumper cam of the 66), why would he veer down
and wreck the 38.
And then wrecking Logano and Bayne just because it's the only chance
he'll ever have of winning.
I NEVER say this but, i'm hoping that Steve Wreckface flips over and
barrel rolls. I would laugh so loud.


  52.   £ posted:
  07.17.2011 - 9:57 am
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Ivan, your comment is epic.
I love it.


  53.   Jeff posted:
  07.17.2011 - 10:04 am
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Not to defend Kyle Busch, but something else to keep in mind is that the
competition argument cuts both ways.

I wouldn't say the Nationwide Series is less competitive now. I think
there's an equipment and preparation advantage in favor of the Cup
visitors that didn't exist in the '90s, partially because sponsors in
this market haven't been as willing to take a chance on an unproven
commodity. Two title contenders (Leffler and Sorenson) have to switch
rides through the season because their sponsors insist on Cup drivers
running a few races for them. Others, even those driving for Roush
Racing, can't land a full-season deal while their Cup counterparts have
sponsors beating down the door. Even now, we haven't seen a good influx
of rookie contenders. This year's rookie-of-the-year battle features two
guys driving backmarker cars to respectable finishes. The other guy,
Ryan Truex, couldn't even count on a full-season deal despite good
results in his Nationwide appearances and two K&N Pro Series titles. If
Kyle slips, you know Kes and Edwards are going to be there to pick up
the scraps; he can't just cruise to the win every week.

But how competitive was the Grand National Series back in the '60s when
Richard Petty won 27 races a year? With all due respect to the King,
Richard had a team that was bounds ahead of the competition. They ran
all the races, they had adequate funding to compete aggressively in all
the races, and that meant that they won most of the time. Even in the
'70s, James Hylton and Dave Marcis had competitive finishes in the
points because they ran all the races, something a lot of teams just
didn't do. David Pearson only has three championships, but he only ran
enough races to contend for the title four times. Imagine if he'd run
all the races as long as Richard did. Imagine if guys like Benny
Parsons, Buddy Baker, or even Dave Marcis had half the equipment that
Richard Petty had in that time frame.

Fact is, when the King and the Silver Fox were building their win
totals, Grand National wasn't nearly as competitive as the Cup Series of
the last thirty years. There will always be a few teams that win more
than their share, because they're simply better. There are just more
teams now that can put themselves in a position to capitalize on any
given race day. Even though it's harder for the single-car team to
contend than it was in the '90s, it's still a more competitive era
overall. Even a single driver winning 10-12 races in a season is a
rarity now; there will be occasional hot streaks, but the sort of
overwhelming domination once displayed by Petty, Pearson, Waltrip and
even Earnhardt or Gordon are in the history books.

And as for the effect that chasing minor-league wins has on Busch's
title contention in Cup, I'd argue that it isn't a distraction as much
as we might believe. The argument is that Six-Time doesn't make any NW
starts compared to Edwards, Busch and Harvick, who constantly battle for
second in the Chase. But what about Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth or Jeff
Gordon? These former champions don't really run any NW races to speak
of. No distractions. Even Denny Hamlin doesn't run more than a handful.
And they still play second-fiddle to the #48. Jimmie Johnson's team has
the Chase thing figured out: run not stellar, but just "good enough"
through the first 26 races, and then flawless in the final ten. That
last part requires an equal dose of preparation and luck, and
admittedly, Jimmie has (to borrow from Harvick) a golden horseshoe up
his butt. But the record book doesn't say anything about horseshoes,
just about championships. If Kyle can avoid the mechanical gremlins that
unraveled his dreams back in '08, he will be a threat this year, no
matter how many extracurricular wins he racks up. But everyone will
STILL have to beat the #48.

I was in the stands yesterday. I've seen Kyle win more races at NHMS the
last few years than I'd like to, and I can think of a few drivers I'd
rather have seen win those races. But damn, can that kid drive a race car.


  54.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.17.2011 - 10:16 am
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Harvick's obsession with Kyle is truly creepy, and it is holding him
back. But that is the story of his career. He'd rather fight than win,
he'd rather have the tag "scraper" than "winner". It is his life and he
can live it however he wants, but it has prevented him from having a
legendary career like he is capable of. He makes Kyle look extremely mature.

I hate to see that Rusty become such a joke. A punchline. For those of
us that remember him in the late 80s and the early 90s, he was anything
but a joke. He was a driver that had to be taken seriously. As an
Earnhardt fan during that time (which was his prime too) Rusty scared
the hell out of me. He wasn't afraid of Dale, he could run fender to
fender with Dale, and Dale didn't dare try to push Rusty around. He
forced Dale to reach his ultimate potential, and Dale liked him because
of that. He was dead serious, and you had to take him seriously.

So seeing him in the broadcast booth fumbling all over the place makes
me sad.


  55.   Matthew Sullivan posted:
  07.17.2011 - 10:32 am
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If the media is going to combine all of Kyle's NASCAR wins into one
total, why don't they do it for everyone else? Hey, did you know that
Ron Hornaday, Jr. has 58 NASCAR wins? Dale Earnhardt has at least 99
NASCAR wins, nevermind the three All-Star wins, the Busch Clash wins and
the 125 qualifying races he won that don't count as they were non-points
events. Unfortunately his wins in the 70s in the sportsman division are
yet to be registered on this site. Hey, Darrell Waltrip has at least 97
NASCAR wins. You'd think he'd talk about that more. And wow, Michael
Waltrip has 17 NASCAR wins! And that doesn't even count his Goody's Dash
victories!


  56.   Matthew Sullivan posted:
  07.17.2011 - 10:35 am
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Excuse me, I forgot to tally in Hornaday's 18 wins in the NASCAR
Southwest Tour Series giving him 76 career NASCAR victories.


  57.   WallaceFan posted:
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The combined Nascar wins are CUP, BUSCH, and TRUCK. Wheelen doesnt
count, Camping World Series dont count....so relax on all that. its the
3 major series.

Kyle isnt better than any of these legends....yet. When he wins a title
or 2 we'll talk.

BTW if you wanna combine all these other series...Kyle has 104
winss...just saying.


  58.   Jeff posted:
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I don't think anyone is arguing this is an official NASCAR statistic,
aside from the fact it can be substantiated. It's one of those talking
point statistics.

For comparison, it's like how Dick Trickle won 1200 feature races in his
career. We don't have results for all of them, we can't really back up
the number. (Technically, he has only 2 in one of NASCAR's top-three
divisions.) But it's part of the legend and mystique, so the press runs
with it.


  59.   00andJoe posted:
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#49: Bump to the rear =/= hook in the right rear fender. Wallace -cut
hard left- into Leffler to turn him.

In a way, saying that Stenhouse bumped Steve to cause that makes it even
-worse- looking for Wallace, as in that case it implies he couldn't
maintain control after a simple, normal bump...


  60.   cjs3872 posted:
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The point I was making about Kyle Busch's total NASCAR wins, which is an
unofficial stat that NASCAR started keeping because Kyle Busch is a
current day driver just factors in the TOP THREE series, Cup,
Nationwide, and Trucks.

Also, 44, you obviously didn't look at ALL the replays of the
Stenhouse/Wallace/Leffler incident, because ESPN showed an angle from
across the backstraight where you can clearly see Stenhouse pushing
Wallace from behind, pushing him into Leffler, causing him to crash.
Yes, it did appear that Wallace turned dead left into Leffler, but that
was because he was opushed by Stenhouse.

And also, anyone that wishes someone to have a bad crash, regardless of
how much they dislike him, is a total idiot. A crash of any serious
magnitude can be serious, and maybe even fatal if the car hits in just
the wrong way, so anyone that wishes something that that to happen to
anyone is no fan of the sport, or it's competitors in my view.


  61.   11 Needs to Go posted:
  07.17.2011 - 1:36 pm
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Can't wait for Brian Scott's checks to start bouncing so Gibbs can put
someone else in that car. He's done nothing this year but tear stuff up,
today was the worst example. He took out a bunch of good underfunded
cars on the last restart.


  62.   IglooRacer posted:
  07.17.2011 - 3:16 pm
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Sigh. . . . Harvick shoulda gave him the bumper. It's racing NASCAR come
on.

Congrats to Kyle busch on the win. The number of wins isn't relevant to
me, don't care about it.


  63.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  07.17.2011 - 3:23 pm
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"If the media is going to combine all of Kyle's NASCAR wins into one
total, why don't they do it for everyone else? Hey, did you know that
Ron Hornaday, Jr. has 58 NASCAR wins? Dale Earnhardt has at least 99
NASCAR wins, nevermind the three All-Star wins, the Busch Clash wins and
the 125 qualifying races he won that don't count as they were non-points
events. Unfortunately his wins in the 70s in the sportsman division are
yet to be registered on this site. Hey, Darrell Waltrip has at least 97
NASCAR wins. You'd think he'd talk about that more. And wow, Michael
Waltrip has 17 NASCAR wins! And that doesn't even count his Goody's Dash
victories!"

Exactly. All this "100 win category" means is that Kyle has a nice feat
that he can say he accomplished, but it's nothing more than that. It
does absolutely nothing to determine how legendary he is. And like you
said, we might as well combine everyone else's win total if we're going
to do it for Kyle; it's only fair. And Kyle isn't that far ahead of
others when we do that.


  64.   1995z71 posted:
  07.17.2011 - 5:56 pm
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Kyle Busch is ruining NASCAR.


  65.   Anonymous posted:
  07.17.2011 - 6:02 pm
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"And like you said, we might as well combine everyone else's win total
if we're going to do it for Kyle; it's only fair. And Kyle isn't that
far ahead of others when we do that."

While that is true, Busch does still have more, in fewer starts, and at
a far younger age. As long as you leave Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson
out of it, because they're so far superior regardless, the combined wins
thing certainly helps guys like Harvick, Biffle, Edwards, Martin, or
even Jeff Burton look better than they do when you just look at Cup
wins. And since all those wins are definitely going to factor into their
possible Hall of Fame consideration, whether we agree with it or not,
you shouldn't just totally dismiss them.


  66.   Anonymous posted:
  07.17.2011 - 6:31 pm
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"Pretty much explains it. Perhaps jumping wasn't the right word, but its
still one of the cheapest moves in the book. "

WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAH! Kyle Busch used a legal maneuver to win a race,
WAAAAAAAH!


Man, do you Earnhardt or Harvick or RCR or Anti-Busch, whatever the heck
kind of fan you are, really want to complain about a driver winning a
race by not doing anything wrong?

I suppose he's supposed to not try to win races like that, because god
forbid he hurts anyone's feelings!

See, this is why people like Busch. He doesn't care what some sore loser
has to say after he beats them fair and square. Busch only cares about
winning races. He sees a race, he wants to win it. He does whatever he
can to win it. And he doesn't care what anyone else thinks after he wins it.

Maybe you should lobby to NASCAR to change the restart rules. Or keep
complaining every time he wins fair and square. But I have to tell you
right now, you're not going to enjoy the next decade of NASCAR racing.
Maybe try Formula 1, I hear they like whiny sissies over there.


  67.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  07.17.2011 - 7:21 pm
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#65 - I don't like it but fans like myself are going to have to get used
to the fact that NASCAR will probably count those lesser series wins in
order to inflate his place in the Hall of Fame without considering the
circumstances that were in play.


  68.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.17.2011 - 7:53 pm
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I agree that modified wins should count a lot more. They are what
started NASCAR, and are still fun as hell to this day. The best non-Cup
driver ever is Richie Evans. By far. Kyle isn't even worthy of polishing
the Rapid Roman's driving shoes. He won well over 400 features, 9
championships, 8 of which were in a row and a still active streak when
he tragically died.

And somebody agrees with me. He is in the 3rd ever Hall of Fame class
and rightfully so.


  69.   Anonymous posted:
  07.17.2011 - 8:23 pm
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So since Kyle Busch has "100 wins" now, is NASCAR going to count the
THOUSANDS of races Dick Trickle won?


  70.   18fan posted:
  07.17.2011 - 8:39 pm
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And Richie Evans is also the first HOF inductee that is not a former
driver, owner or crew chief in Cup and not a France.


  71.   dirtbag posted:
  07.17.2011 - 10:43 pm
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"Kyle isn't even worthy of polishing the Rapid Roman's driving shoes."

Because it's so easy to compare two drivers, from two drastically
different eras, in two drastically different series, one of which is
barely a quarter of the way into his career.

But they will have one thing in common some day. They'll both be in the
NASCAR Hall of Fame.

Oooooooooh, burn.


  72.   irony posted:
  07.17.2011 - 11:49 pm
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Hi Olsonfan, miss seeing you in N3.

By the grace of Kyl.. I mean God, I missed this race. But I saw the
winner wall bang and then over heat his brakes before half way in Cup.
Then I saw him take offense ... for no apparent reason ... to a question
in his TV interview.


  73.   Anonymous posted:
  07.18.2011 - 4:36 am
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"Then I saw him take offense ... for no apparent reason ... to a
question in his TV interview."

Are you freaking serious? You mean when they tried to goad him into
saying Dale Earnhardt Jr had something to do with his wreck? Maybe you
didn't see that part, since your head was stuffed so far up your own a**.

You have a strange definition of "taking offense" and "no apparent
reason". All I saw was a frustrated driver that didn't want to place the
blame for his crash on someone else, no matter how much the
sensationalist media wants to play up an imaginary angle to a
non-existent rivalry.

I know people hate Busch, but geez. Apparently just the sight of him on
TV makes some people go retarded.


  74.   irony posted:
  07.18.2011 - 12:22 pm
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Yup I'm freaking serious. I didn't see anything wrong with the question
that was asked - "did the contact with the 88 cause your problem?"
You're such a miserable person that apparently just the sight of someone
criticizing Kyle makes you go retarded.

Although my comment was a bash, I don't feel the need to bite my tongue
about Kyle every time I think he does something wrong, or when I don't
think he's as great as the sensationalist media makes him to be, or when
a Cup driver gets so much praise for dominating in lesser series where
it is my opinion they shouldn't even be allowed to race.

If you disagree on those matters, explain your viewpoint like an adult.
Not "your head was stuffed so far up your own a**, and "WAAAAAAAH
WAAAAAAAH! Kyle Busch used a legal maneuver to win a race, WAAAAAAAH!"

Then again, I go by "irony" because of you. :)


  75.   Rusty posted:
  07.18.2011 - 4:05 pm
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Good news for the Nationwide Series in 2012, Carl Edwards will NOT be
running the full schedule.


  76.   Anonymous posted:
  07.18.2011 - 4:22 pm
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"If you disagree on those matters, explain your viewpoint like an adult.
Not "your head was stuffed so far up your own a**, and "WAAAAAAAH
WAAAAAAAH! Kyle Busch used a legal maneuver to win a race, WAAAAAAAH!"

If you're going to insist on posting crap so devoid of reasoning, that
it may as well have been written by a child, you're going to get treated
like a child in return.

And really, what else can you say to DaleJrFan besides "waaaaaaah!",
after he posts multiple times complaining about Busch using a LEGAL
maneuver to win a race? Turns out he's as immature as Harvick is, and
apparently just as jealous of Busch.


  77.   Talon64 posted:
  07.18.2011 - 5:02 pm
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I guess I don't even have to bother mentioning Kyle Busch in this. lol

Kevin Harvick gets just his 4th top 5 in 10 NNS starts this season but
his 2nd straight runner-up finish.

Kasey Kahne gets his 2nd straight top 5 finish, both coming in his first
2 starts for JRM. Some NNS performances by Cup guys can be impressive,
and Kasey Kahne giving JRM two of their best runs of the season in his
first 2 starts with the organization is one of them.

Ricky Stenhouse Jr. now has a series-high 14 top 10's this season, and
picks up his first top 5 in 4 races. Stenhouse has now led exactly 300
laps in his NNS career.

Aric Almirola gets just his 2nd top 5 of the season, and it's the first
time both JRM teams have finished in the top 5. It's just his 2nd top 10
in the last 5 races.

Kenny Wallace is now on a season-high 3 race top 10 streak, finished 6th
for a 2nd straight race and for the 3rd time this season.

Michael Annett picks up his 5th top 10 in the last 6 races, after none
in the first 13 races of the season.

Brad Keselowski earned his 9th career NNS pole and 1st of the season.

Steve Wallace got just his 3rd top 10 of the season and first in 6 races.

Justin Allgaier picked up his 10th top 10 of the season, giving him 3
straight seasons in NNS with at least 10 top 10's (42 in 93 career starts).

Mikey Kile made his 3rd start of the season in the #30 Turner car,
finishing a career-best 16th.


  78.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.18.2011 - 6:03 pm
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They weren't trying to start anything in Cup between Kyle and June, they
were just asking if that contact which produced a lot of tire smoke is
what led to his tire. Kyle somehow inferred something about June that
wasn't there. I think. That says a lot about where Kyle is. And a lot
about how bad Harvick looks.


  79.   KBM18 posted:
  07.18.2011 - 7:15 pm
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"They weren't trying to start anything in Cup between Kyle and June,
they were just asking if that contact which produced a lot of tire smoke
is what led to his tire. Kyle somehow inferred something about June that
wasn't there."

Bullsh*t. Kyle had already clearly stated what happened. He blew a bead.
He said everyone was racing aggressive because it was so hard to pass.
Then the interviewer asked if the contact with the 88 had anything to do
with it, Kyle dismissed it by saying everybody was hitting each other
out there. Then the interview pressed the issue about Junior again, and
that's when he said "Nice try" and walked away.

Seriously, you guys are as bad as the crappy TNT pit reporters searching
for things that aren't there. I don't know what Busch can do beyond
explaining exactly what happened, and making a conscious effort not to
place blame on anyone specifically. Once the interviewer tries to make
it an issue a SECOND time, that's when it's on them. That's not on
Busch. That's on the media looking for a story that isn't there, and you
sheep that will follow any issue involving Busch because you're obsessed
with everything the guy does or says, analyzing every meticulous detail
of it for weeks after it happens, trying to make broad generalizations
about who he is as a person or driver because he so much as frowns at
what you perceive to be an inappropriate time. You guys need to get a
life, or maybe find more interesting driver you can actually root for,
so you don't have to spend every race thread analyzing new ways or new
reasons to hate Kyle Busch.

I'm amazed that someone could watch that interview, and come to the
assumption that it was Busch that was the one talking about something
wasn't there. Simply amazed.

I agree with post 73, apparently just the mere sight of Busch is enough
to turn most people into some kind of retard. And I'll add conspiracy
theorist to that as well. Apparently Busch can't say anything without
their being an anterior motive. Jesus Christ, do you people every listen
to yourselves?


  80.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.18.2011 - 10:31 pm
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Actually, 00andJoe, NESN, the local cable network which broadcasts the
Red Sox games in the northeast, sponsored the #16 car, not the #6 car.
Did you not look at the race results page?


  81.   irony posted:
  07.18.2011 - 11:15 pm
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"If you're going to insist on posting crap so devoid of reasoning, that
it may as well have been written by a child, you're going to get treated
like a child in return."

So you talk that way to children? Gotcha. Are you a jerk in real life,
or just an Internet tough guy?


  82.   Anonymous posted:
  07.18.2011 - 11:47 pm
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cjs3872: Yeah, I did, but NESN was also on the quarter-panels of the #6
just ahead of the Red Sox logo. :)


  83.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.19.2011 - 8:46 am
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OK, 00andJoe (I think that may have been your post on #82). Even so, you
did forget to mention that NESN was on the #16 car, while you did
mention sponsors for some of the other cars in the race (#6, #15, #20,
#41, #62). Just documenting so to be fair.


  84.   Anonymous posted:
  07.19.2011 - 6:45 pm
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"So you talk that way to children? Gotcha. Are you a jerk in real life,
or just an Internet tough guy?"

Are you naturally that dumb, or do you have to work at it? If you're
going to insist on throwing out stupid every week, stupid is all you'll
get in return. Get used to it.


  85.   irony posted:
  07.19.2011 - 7:47 pm
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Example of this "stupid" please. You can't explain your mindless
insults, just think of new ones to throw out. The only stupid or
childish responses I have gotten in return of comments I've made have
been from you, on multiple occasions. Everyone else here seems capable
of speaking with actual intellect.


  86.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.19.2011 - 8:11 pm
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KBM, first of all, Kyle has cost himself the benefit of the doubt in all
cases except those with Harvick. That is his fault due to 7 years of bad
behavior, stepping on every toe in sight. Does the mere appearance of
him make us angry, leading to occasionally over the top criticism? Yes.
But whose fault is that? It is Kyle's. This isn't blind hate. He has
done this to himself and has to live with the consequences. He has
placed himself against the world. Getting out of his car after every win
just to mock the crowd? He has made his bed.

As far as the interview itself, Kyle clearly read in way too far which
shows his mind is not where it needs to be. TV showed June's bumper cam
when him and Kyle made hard enough contact to produce a lot of visible
tire smoke. A few laps later the same tire making the contact went flat.
Seems like a pretty logical conclusion. But he somehow thought they were
"trying to start a story". Why would he think that? To me, that shows he
still sees the world as out to get him. He also knows he is a lightning
rod by his own design. Despite his outer worldly talents, he has a tough
road ahead of him, and he knows this. That is why he has to take solace
in trite accomplishments such as this 100 NASCAR win thing even though
78 were in the minor leagues. Because of the position he has put himself
in, he has to constantly be celebrating SOMETHING. Otherwise the world
wins. And this distracts him from reaching his potential.


  87.   00andJoe posted:
  07.19.2011 - 8:30 pm
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cjs3872 - Yeah, that was my post, sorry. And I didn't document the other
cars' sponsors because I only listed those that need altering in the
results on the site. :)


  88.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.20.2011 - 8:17 am
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Sorry about that then, 00andJoe.

By the way, everyone's been talking about the issue about NASCAR not
letting Kevin Harvick rough up Kyle Busch like he did Trevor Bayne.
First, Busch would not have taken it like Bayne would have, as Busch
would have retaliated, where Bayne is not as likely to have. Regarding
the incident between Harvick and Bayne, there's a possibility that
Harvick, trying to protect teammate Elliott Salder's points situation,
might have mistook Bayne's car for that of Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., who is
battling Sadler for the series title. Harvick did not want Stenhouse to
win the race for that reason, though Bayne is no threat to Sadler, and
by extension, Harvick, in the championship race.

As for Harvick and Busch, let's just say that those two deserve each
other, as both drivers, in my view, are absolute jerks. When it comes to
referring guys in the category of people that need to be taught lessons
about respect, these two are at or near the top of the list.


  89.   00andJoe posted:
  07.20.2011 - 1:40 pm
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No worries, man. It's always good to have everybody double-checking!


  90.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.20.2011 - 3:59 pm
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"As for Harvick and Busch, let's just say that those two deserve each
other, as both drivers, in my view, are absolute jerks. When it comes to
referring guys in the category of people that need to be taught lessons
about respect, these two are at or near the top of the list."

Couldn't have said it better. And while those two are having silly
pissing contests with each other, Jimmie Johnson is laughing all the way
to the rarefied air of true NASCAR legends.


  91.   KBM18 posted:
  07.20.2011 - 11:27 pm
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"To me, that shows he still sees the world as out to get him."

If he had outrightly blamed Junior, everyone would just be all over him
for that instead, saying he's unfocused because he's getting into
another rivalry, he always blames someone else for his mistakes, blah
blah blah. He can't win with people like you. He isn't even allowed to
show any emotion, because if he does, it plays into this self-fulfilling
prophecy you've set up for him, "Hey look, 'New Kyle' my ass! See look
he still gets angry! Told you so!". And now you've even worked out an
excuse so he can't even be happy if he wins. If he wins a Cup race, you
can just say, "he's still no Jimmie Johnson!" and if he wins anything
else, "he HAS to celebrate something, otherwise the world wins!" and
then you'll bring up however many races he's won outside of Cup, as if
that's supposed to distract from the fact he has 22 Cup wins and ONLY 1
driver has been better the last 7 years.

So congratulations, you've set it up so you never ever have to say one
truly positive thing about Busch. You've got an excuse loaded for every
situation that makes any accomplishment look worse. Even the most
backhanded compliment from you will have some negative connotation or
unnecessary baggage.

It's sad the amount of time you're going to be spending in denial during
the next 15+ years Busch will be driving. Just sitting there watching
the races, full of hate, waiting for him to be shown on screen so you
release one of your pre-loaded barbs to continually try to undermine any
success he may ever have. Because now that's the only way you can
possibly enjoy racing if Kyle Busch is around. God help you and every
other Busch hater when he wins a championship. We won't forget all this
crap that gets said about him, and we won't let you live it down. You
know in the back of your mind, as every Chase rolls around with Busch in
it, that you might be eating a whole pile crow 10 weeks later. No matter
how many times you tell yourself he will never be a Champion, you know
that with his talent that you could be dead wrong. As every Chase goes
by without him winning you've been growing more and more emboldened,
delighting in his bad luck and his mistakes, setting it up to be all the
more satisfying to us when that glorious day comes along when he puts it
all together, and people like you lose all your hard-fought credibility
because you desperately clung to a childish grudge for years and years
and years.

He's 26. He's going to be here a loooooong time. Enjoy.


  92.   Cooper posted:
  07.21.2011 - 11:46 am
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"91. KBM18 posted:
07.20.11 - 11:27 pm"
100% Truth.

Look, I dislike Kyle. I don't try to hide it. I find him annoying,
selfish, and self-centered. But a lot of people find my driver to have
similar traits.

And KBM18 is right in the sense that Kyle will win at least one
championship. In fact I think it's this year. Kyle is just too good of a
driver and has too good of equipment to not win one.

So I'm already in preparation of the bomb that's going to hit when he
does win. It could get ugly.


  93.   Talon64 posted:
  07.21.2011 - 4:37 pm
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I don't think things will get messy since most people, even the haters,
expect that he should be contending for and winning championships with
the amount of talent he has.


  94.   KBM18 posted:
  07.21.2011 - 7:08 pm
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"I don't think things will get messy since most people, even the haters,
expect that he should be contending for and winning championships with
the amount of talent he has."

That doesn't excuse some of the things that get said. I specifically
know multiple people on this site have claimed that Busch will never win
a title. I also know people have discussed endlessly that he's a choker,
or can't handle pressure, or things similar. I won't forget that, even
if it takes 10 years to finally happen. I will take immense pleasure in
rubbing a championship in their faces. Time is on my side, not theirs.


  95.   New 14&88 Fan posted:
  07.22.2011 - 1:21 am
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When Kyle does win a Cup Championship(perhaps this year, I wouldn't bet
against it happening)most people even those that root against him will
likely just be happy that some one finally dethroned the #48 team.


  96.   jr88fan posted:
  07.22.2011 - 1:17 pm
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I'm surprised that no one mentioned this, but this was David Green's
400th start.


  97.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.22.2011 - 4:45 pm
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"He isn't even allowed to show any emotion, because if he does, it plays
into this self-fulfilling prophecy you've set up for him, "Hey look,
'New Kyle' my ass! See look he still gets angry! Told you so!"."

It's not that he can't show emotion, I'm just pointing out that his
response to that question gave us a direct look into Kyle Busch. TV
showed the contact with lots of tire smoke coming from Kyle's right
front tire before Kyle even crashed. Right after the commentators were
through talking about it, his right front went down. Now I don't know
what caused it, but since they showed the contact then that tire went
down, it would be foolish for the reporter not to ask about that contact
and whether or not it led to his tire going down. Yet Kyle somehow
thought they were trying to start something. Why is that? Emotion isn't
the issue here, it is his overall mindset. His sponsors have made him
play nice this year, and it is clearly wearing on him.

""he HAS to celebrate something, otherwise the world wins!" and then
you'll bring up however many races he's won outside of Cup, as if that's
supposed to distract from the fact he has 22 Cup wins and ONLY 1 driver
has been better the last 7 years."

Now you are showing how little you know about me and what I've been
saying. Go back and count how many times I've pointed out he has had an
exceptional Cup career to this point. Please become more informed before
making more statements like that.

"He's 26. He's going to be here a loooooong time. Enjoy."

Is he? Do you think he will keep winning at this rate forever (in Cup)?

"It's sad the amount of time you're going to be spending in denial
during the next 15+ years Busch will be driving. Just sitting there
watching the races, full of hate, waiting for him to be shown on screen
so you release one of your pre-loaded barbs to continually try to
undermine any success he may ever have."

What's sad is how little you actually know about me.

"God help you and every other Busch hater when he wins a championship."

Dude, he's got to come close to winning a championship first. In case
you haven't noticed he tends to disappear during the cha$e. Every time.

"You know in the back of your mind, as every Chase rolls around with
Busch in it, that you might be eating a whole pile crow 10 weeks later."

More likely, I will be smirking just 4 weeks later once he is way behind
in points as has been the case for every single cha$e he has been in.

"you can just say, "he's still no Jimmie Johnson!" and if he wins
anything else"

The driver I compare him most with is Jeff Gordon, a driver with a
similar prodigal upbringing (although Jeff's was in open wheel cars) and
got their Cup starts at similar ages for the same company. I compare his
progress against Jeff's at the same age. And Kyle is WAY behind.

"We won't forget all this crap that gets said about him, and we won't
let you live it down."

Thank you for proving my point for me.

Well KBM, it was nice debating you. I thought you were somebody that I
could actually have a discussion with. Instead you have gone on some
delusional rant about how my life will somehow crumble on the inevitable
time that he wins a championship (yes, I said inevitable). I was able to
handle Kurt's championship, I think I'll be ok.


  98.   KBM18 posted:
  07.22.2011 - 7:34 pm
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"His sponsors have made him play nice this year, and it is clearly
wearing on him."

Go ahead and try to prove any part of this sentence, then get back to
me. It's one race. It was one frustrated interview. Your entire view of
Busch as a driver and a person, and every single thing he does or says,
is warped by hate. Pure, blinding hate. And that is just sad.

"Is he? Do you think he will keep winning at this rate forever (in Cup)?"

How long is your idea of "forever"? Would you be willing to bet against
him winning regularly for the next 10 years?

"Thank you for proving my point for me."

Proving what point? That you're just another tool of the perpetual Kyle
Busch hate machine that complains incessantly about every single he does
and says? No, thank YOU for proving my point.


  99.   irony posted:
  07.22.2011 - 11:32 pm
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Kyle may or may not win a title. I don't think it's inevitable, and I
don't think it would be surprising. During this time frame that he is
2nd in wins he is also just 8th in points scored. After all, it is
points that win championships, not wins. If he gets a championship, it
will probably come from sheer dominance.


  100.   DaleJrFan20 posted:
  07.22.2011 - 11:59 pm
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"WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAH! Kyle Busch used a legal maneuver to win a race,
WAAAAAAAH!"

Stopped reading your response there and facepalmed since that was all I
needed to read before my IQ began to drop. Also work on your intros,
cause nobody will listen to your opinions when you act like that ;)

"Man, do you Earnhardt or Harvick or RCR or Anti-Busch, whatever the
heck kind of fan you are, really want to complain about a driver winning
a race by not doing anything wrong?"

I thought it was pretty obvious I was a Kyle Petty fan, I mean, my name
clearly gives it away. And you are completely missing the point. I'm
complaining about the same thing everyone else is complaining about,
artificial statistics. I just decided to bring up the restarts cause
ESPN decided to call it "Patented".

"I suppose he's supposed to not try to win races like that, because god
forbid he hurts anyone's feelings!"

IQ is dropping again, need to take a five minute break here...

"See, this is why people like Busch. He doesn't care what some sore
loser has to say after he beats them fair and square. Busch only cares
about winning races. He sees a race, he wants to win it. He does
whatever he can to win it. And he doesn't care what anyone else thinks
after he wins it."

The races he sees are ones he can win because he's driving in lower tier
series in overfunded equipment. And that's not just Kyle, that's all the
cup regulars who decide to kill up and coming drivers chances of making
it into the big leagues. But this isn't anything new. Last season that
didn't have a Buschwacker win the champ was 2004. 44 of his wins have
come in the "Buschwacker" series (Nationwide Post 2005), I think that
speaks for itself.

"Maybe you should lobby to NASCAR to change the restart rules. Or keep
complaining every time he wins fair and square. But I have to tell you
right now, you're not going to enjoy the next decade of NASCAR racing.
Maybe try Formula 1, I hear they like whiny sissies over there."

Oh please, we all know that NASCAR doesn't listen to the fans anymore.
Also, that last line was pretty ignorant. I could make an equally
ignorant comment back, but I feel like taking the high ground. But since
you brought it up, I do enjoy watching F1 from time to time, and aside
from the occasional Team Orders crap, I find F1 to be pretty exciting
and for the most part devoid of whiny sissies.


  101.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
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"After all, it is points that win championships, not wins."

This is the way it has always been (well, at least until the cha$e came
along), although some fans have this delusion that the championship
should always be won by the guy who wins the most races (even if he is
wildly inconsistent a la Ryan Newman in '03).


  102.   DaleJrFan20 posted:
  07.23.2011 - 12:07 am
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Oh, missed another post.

"And really, what else can you say to DaleJrFan besides "waaaaaaah!",
after he posts multiple times complaining about Busch using a LEGAL
maneuver to win a race? Turns out he's as immature as Harvick is, and
apparently just as jealous of Busch."

I posted three times, and two of them were responses to others. Isn't it
common courtesy to respond to what others say to you? And the way you're
acting is tons more immature than anything I've said in here, and I
don't see why I should be jealous of someone who wins in overfunded
equipment in lower series. I mean, if you think that's fine to do, then
more power to you, but I don't.


  103.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.23.2011 - 8:50 am
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You are right irony, I need to rephrase that. A Kyle Busch championship
in Cup SHOULD be inevitable. Given his talent, equipment, and experience
at such a young age. But he needs to make many changes first, but he has
publically stated he will do things his way. I just can't shake the
feeling that he should have already started a dynasty by now like Jeff
did at the same age.

KBM, all I can say is you need to get your facts about me straight
first. I suggest reading my recent comments about him and his current
career path on his driver page. Yes, I am very put off by his
personality, but I recognize the potential for greatness when I see it.
If he finally puts it all together, I won't like it, but I won't lose
sleep over it.


  104.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.23.2011 - 8:56 am
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As far as the sponsor thing, Darrell Waltrip, the president, CEO, PR
director, and founder of the Kyle Busch Fan Club, said his sponsors have
put him on notice and that similar circumstances are what got him shown
the door at Hendrick. When your #1 fan is even admitting these things,
that says something. That is why M&Ms waited until a few races into the
year to re-sign. They wanted to make their point.


  105.   00andJoe posted:
  08.01.2011 - 3:58 pm
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#04 sponsor: BBI Waste Disposal/ Bestway


  106.   Nick posted:
  09.17.2011 - 1:28 pm
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Angela Cope didn't suck too much. 25th place, 6 laps down.


  107.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  08.17.2015 - 7:14 pm
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  108.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.23.2017 - 9:15 am
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6 years and 4 months ago, Kyle Busch won his 100th NASCAR race. Since
then, he has earned 83 more wins despite the fact he doesn't run Trucks
like he used to before 2015 and those limits for Cup drivers in 2017.
And also despite the fact he had a terrible 2012 season with just 1 win...

Many people don't like it, but that 200th win has to happen someday at
this rate. Let's say he will be able to get his 9 remaining wins in
Xfinity to 100 and 3 remaining wins in Trucks to surpass Hornaday - that
is 12 more lower series wins, which will make it 195 NASCAR wins. And
then all he needs to do is just get another 5 Cup wins and he's there.


  109.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.23.2017 - 9:28 am
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He'll hit 200 but I wouldn't compare 200 wins across all series to 200
Cup wins like Richard Petty got. Both are immpresive feats any way you
cut it though.


  110.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.23.2017 - 10:14 am
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Petty's 200 Cup wins is something that will never be broken, but we can
also say that Petty has 200 NASCAR wins (or 201 with that Convertible
Series win). As far as only number of NASCAR wins is concerned, I'm sure
Kyle Busch will break that 200 or 201. It will be impressive, but only
as number of NASCAR wins. Unfortunately, Cup doesn't have all those
smaller races anymore, so we can't count all those lower series wins to
the Cup Series...

Anyway, like you said, it's an impressive feat. I can't do anything but
100% agree with you. No one was even close to it before Kyle Busch, and
then he comes to NASCAR and here we go... he's there. Wow...


  111.   Mile501 posted:
  11.23.2017 - 8:15 pm
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In all fairness, and I have to admit that I don't like saying this, but
Kyle Busch beating up on the field in an Xfinity race isn't all that
different from, say, this win of Richard Petty's:

http://www.racing-reference.info/race/1961_Richmond_200/W

Not to take anything away from Petty's accomplishments, but probably
30-50 (or more) of his wins came against limited competition from small
fields.


  112.   Jimmie4life posted:
  11.23.2017 - 8:35 pm
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2011: Kyle Busch i just meh, don't hate him, but don't like him.
2011 Texas fall: Boo Kyle! Stop ruining the championship for the Xfinity
and Camping World Trucks!!!


  113.   Spen posted:
  11.23.2017 - 9:39 pm
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Personally, I think Petty's weakest win was New Asheville 1971. 17 cars
started, 12 parked. His stiffest remaining competition was Elmo Langley.


  114.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.24.2017 - 7:27 am
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111. I don't think Kyle Busch has ever experienced the same as Petty. In
other words, the fact that all his competitors had a problem with the
car and he was the only top car left. Neither in Cup, nor in Xfinity or
Trucks, I can't remember even one example...

Plus, Kyle Busch always had some competition in his lower series starts
in the races that had 30+ cars and there wasn't any race shorter than
100 miles Kyle started (like Eldora).

And lastly, I said it before, but I just don't think it's fair to mix
apples with pears. In other words, mix the wins from races shorter than
250 miles (excluding road courses) with the wins that are from races
longer than 250 miles. It just isn't fair for today's drivers and that's
why I think it would be smart to have 2 all-time win lists (one for
shorter races and one for longer races). Because considering both some
50 mile race and 500 mile race as a Cup win, that's pretty crazy... It's
like considering some K&N Pro Series wins as Cup wins.


  115.   dantheracer99 posted:
  05.26.2020 - 9:04 pm
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This was the infamous race where Kyle Busch notched up his 100th NASCAR
win. At the time I didn't think much of it, but I recently went back and
watch the full race on Youtube. It was interesting listening to the
pre-race chat and the debate about where 100 wins in NASCAR overall
stands. They had Jeff Gordon on one of the pre-race segments and he flat
out said he didn't agree with drivers wins being combined across all
three series (which didn't sit with 'history making' ESPN!)

Kyle at the time wasn't all that worried about the number (which was
contradicted after he won the race and took a flag with 100 wins on it!)
but what wound me up the most and upset me was that Dr. Jerry Punch in
the Pre-Race likened what Kyle was about to do was to match the all-time
greats of David Pearson and Richard Petty...HAHAHA no way!

100 wins across all three series at that point in time was VERY
impressive, but you just can't compare Pearson and Petty to Kyle Busch
and the way they collected those wins. Hence why Jeff Gordon didn't
agree either. ESPN always frustrated me with this viewpoint. Either way
as the years rolled on Kyle just kept on winning and even collected
those Cup Championships. Definite future Hall of Famer now.


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