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  1.   potatosalad48 posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:28 pm
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Kurt Busch wins while filling in for the injured Brad Keselowski, while
Jimmie Johnson, in a one off for JR Motorsports, finishes 2nd.


  2.   Rusty posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:28 pm
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Great job by Kurt filling in to get the win. He is now 3/3 for poles at
Watkins Glen in the Nationwide Series and 2/3 for wins with his only
miss being a 3rd. It was his first start since 2007 in the series.

Jimmie Johnson finished 2nd making his first start in the series since
2008.


  3.   Frank posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:28 pm
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Very good clean race! Hope also no fake caution tomorrow!


  4.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:33 pm
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The Busch and Busch show!

Chris Cook qualified the #75.


  5.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:35 pm
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#01 sponsor: Biagi Bros. (was on the hood)
#15 sponsor: FastWax
#53 sponsor: Bollegraaf/Van Dyk Corporation
#52 sponsor: couponchad.com/Sesame King


  6.   Frank posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:35 pm
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Happy to see my man won. Especially with JJ second. Cheered for
brother's 1-2 but Kyle appearently made a mistake that probably cost him
a race.

Please, don't start all that whines against buschwhakers. Road racing is
too tough for most in this series and you should thank Cup drivers and
ringers for bringing us quality show.

Also note how patient and solid Trevor Bayne run and compare to Ricky
Stenhouse who could be out of this race (maybe even on lap 1) if not
f1-style paved traps which make me sad about the Glen - track records
falling but this is cheap now.


  7.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:39 pm
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See NASCAR, if you guys would just sit back and let the race play out
naturally like you did in this one, it is more fun to watch. First of
all, the race was over in less than 2 hours. I'm not opposed to long
races, but there has to be lots of racing in it, not a lot of caution
laps. Cautions break up the flow and they also lead to more cautions,
which breaks up the flow even more. I want as much green racing as
possible. This race had it.

Second, it prevents the "welfare" system of NASCAR that disgusts most of
us. Kyle Busch drove a great race, only making one mistake. That one
mistake cost him as he had to come down pit road, throw off his fuel
strategy, and it cost him the race. I'm tired of the first 80% of races
not meaning much. In green races like this, every lap is important.


  8.   BLabonte47 posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:39 pm
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Kurt and Kyle combined to lead every single lap. Every. single. lap.

Lame. At least Kurt rarely runs these races so it isn't as lame as
seeing Kyle or Carl win.


  9.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:40 pm
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BLabonte47: How is it "lame"? A dominant performance is just as much a
part of racing as "lead change every lap" - even more so, in fact. I'd
rather see a natural race where somebody leads every lap* than a
dramatised pass-fest.

*Restrictor plate fiascos at NHIS excluded.


  10.   Rusty posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:46 pm
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Yeah, the Busch brothers controlled this one. I felt Kurt was in great
shape the whole way until that late caution. Thankfully Carl spun his
tires so Kurt didn't get challenged much late. It wasn't a bad race, the
entire field was spread out a little too much though for my liking.


  11.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 5:54 pm
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-Tim George Jr. ties his best career NNS finish.
-First career NNS start for Casey Roderick and former CART driver Dan
Clarke


  12.   Jon posted:
  08.13.2011 - 6:14 pm
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thought this was the worst road race i had seen in nascar in a while,
which sucks because they're my favorite. i don't understand what people
have against more passing and a few extra cautions to spice it up. the
final green white checkered at least didn't degenerate the finish into a
destruction derby. the best part was the first dozen or so laps with
kurt kyle and carl running real hard up front, and then the scramble
into turn one in the final GWC. overall, a meh race i'd give it a 6 out
of 10. hope the race tomorrow is a little better, but i'd rather watch a
6 out of 10 at the glen than any race at dover, loudon, kansas, etc.


  13.   Matt L posted:
  08.13.2011 - 6:19 pm
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I guess I will be the one that bitches and complains since I never put
on my blinders this morning. Really bad race. Busch, Busch, & Edwards
destroyed the field. It was like two different classes of vehicles. The
Jay Robinson cars count as a third class. I really don't give a crap
what these Cup drivers can do. Why the hell should I thank them from
running 40 seconds ahead of the Nationwide regulars? Who knows what kind
of show the guys behind could have put on? Road America was fantastic
without a single Cup driver. But the rag tag circus of Nationwide teams
will move on & over the border next weekend with the goal of staying on
the lead lap.


  14.   beau posted:
  08.13.2011 - 6:42 pm
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entire top 6, yawn. at least it wasn't kyle or carl.


  15.   Rusty posted:
  08.13.2011 - 6:51 pm
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Notes from the race:

-First time someone other than Marcos Ambrose won this race since Kevin
Harvick won in 2007. Ambrose didn't even attempt the four peat at the
Glen, however the word is they have a car ready for Montreal next week.

-Kurt Busch wins at the Glen for the 2nd time, his other being in 2006
also from the pole. He joins Terry Labonte, Ron Fellows and Marcos
Ambrose as drivers to win multiple Nationwide races at the Glen. He
joins Terry Labonte as the only drivers to win multiple races at the
Glen from the pole as Labonte did it in 1991 and 1995 and Busch has done
it in 2006 and 2011.

-Jimmie Johnson's 2nd place finish is his best career Nationwide Series
finish outside of his 2001 win at Chicagoland. His 2nd place finish ties
Ron Fellows' earlier run at Road America for the best finish for JR
Motorsport's #7 team of the season. The team has 6 top 5s this year (2
by Kasey Kahne, 1 by Fellows, 1 by Johnson, 1 by Josh Wise and 1 by
Danica Patrick). A significant improvement as the #7 team failed to
record one single top five all of last year.

-Kyle Busch led the most laps but failed to pick up a Watkins Glen win
once again. He has led laps and finished in the top 5 in each of the
last four Nationwide Series races at the Glen but has no wins to show
for. Watkins Glen is one of the few tracks that Kyle Busch has not won
on in the Nationwide Series. The others are Road America (He has not
raced there though), Montreal, and Atlanta. He does have Cup wins at the
Glen and Atlanta however.


  16.   18fan posted:
  08.13.2011 - 7:05 pm
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I enjoyed this race mainly because neither of the Busch brothers could
really build a gap over anybody else, but those two and Edwards were
clearly the class of the field. A 1-2 finish for Cup champions in a
one-off for each and the second former Cup champion to win in a one-off
this year(Matt Kenseth at Charlotte).


  17.   potatosalad48 posted:
  08.13.2011 - 7:23 pm
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In another note, road racer Tomy Drissi drove the #75 for Rick Ware
Racing after crashing his #41 in qualifying.


  18.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 8:28 pm
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"i don't understand what people have against more passing and a few
extra cautions to spice it up."

Should the NFL tell a team's defense to take it easy against the other
team's offence in order to keep the score close? Should the umpire in a
baseball game tell the pitcher to throw some high, hanging curveballs
because the fans want more home runs? Or should Dwight Howard be given a
clear lane to the basket by the D because slam dunks are cool?

If any of the above happened, you'd never hear the end of it, because
it's not honest competition - it's manipulation of the results. But
apparently some people think that in racing, extra cautions in for
"Pierre deBris" is just fine "because it gives a better show".

Gag.


  19.   CBASS posted:
  08.13.2011 - 9:48 pm
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^Matt, Marcus is running the #9 for RPM with sponsorship from Stanley at
Montreal. Hoping he finally pulls it off :)

Sponsors (from the team's Facebooks and photos)
#51 Racing For A Cause
#01 Biagi Bros./ Smith Transport
#15 FastWax
#53 Van Dyk Baler Corp/ Bollegraaf
#52 CouponChad.com/ OperationHolidayHope.com


  20.   CBASS posted:
  08.13.2011 - 9:52 pm
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Nevermind, just found another pic of the #52, they removed the
OperationHolidayHope.com logos for the race


  21.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 9:57 pm
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The #52 still has the Sesame King sponsorship as well as couponchad (see
post #5). And thanks for figuring out what was on the side of the #01, I
never could tell...

(Now to figure out what's on the quarter panels of the #37 Cup car...)


  22.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 10:45 pm
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First caution: #14 stalled turn 4
Second caution: #39,14 accident Inner Loop


  23.   Ch posted:
  08.13.2011 - 11:45 pm
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The 15 had FW1 on the hood of the car and fast wax on the sides.
The 67 had something on the hood which did not look like the team logo,
couldn't make it out.
The 75 ran its first, and according to the team, and only full race of
the year.

The 37 cup car has Green Stuff Absorbant on the car.


  24.   irony posted:
  08.13.2011 - 11:49 pm
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I'm grateful to NASCAR for letting the race play out. Especially on a
road course. They generally have no clue how to officiate a road course
event, but they did it right today. A great job by all the drivers also.
A real race at a real race track.

Good debut for Casey Roderick, who is an oval racer, although he caused
the last yellow.


  25.   00andJoe posted:
  08.13.2011 - 11:53 pm
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Ch- Green Stuff is on the hood of the #37 Cup car. On the quarter panels
is "(something) Parts Plus".

FW1 is the same as FastWax.


  26.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  08.14.2011 - 12:15 am
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Today marks only the second time I've EVER pulled for Kurt Busch to win,
I think. The other time was last summer at Loudon in the Cup race. When
it became apparent that a Nationwide regular would not win, I was hoping
for Kurt since Kyle and Carl already have their fair share of wins this
year.

Jimmie Johnson makes his first Nationwide start since 2008, and almost
makes it count despite not being near the lead for much of the race.

Sad but true fact: I think the days of road racers dominating these
races may be numbered. The NASCAR regulars have slowly but surely gotten
to their level when it comes to these tracks. I always thought it was
cool when a road racer would only run road courses and be in contention
for the win.


  27.   18fan posted:
  08.14.2011 - 1:13 am
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Fellows was competitive but his car didn't seem right at the beginning
and lost track position at the end. But it true that the NASCAR regulars
have really improved at road courses.


  28.   AlmirolaFan88 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 2:18 am
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Cup drivers sweeping the top 6 spots isn't surprising considering this
is the only road course companion race with the Cup series. It will also
be the cleanest road course race of the 3 the Nationwide Series will
run. Watkins Glen is more of a cookie cutter road course, if that makes
any sense. Next week at Circuit Gilles Villineuve will offer alot more
parity among the leaders, but could also provide some chaos in the final
laps like Road America. Can't wait to see Robby Gordon and Marcos
Ambrose in their one off starts.

Other notes from this race that haven't been already stated:

James Buescher and Jason Leffler are at it again, Buescher was
apparently upset of how crowded he was racing with Leffler in the final
few turns on the last lap. He tried to dive bomb Leffler in the final
turn, but took him and himself out. ESPN couldn't track down Leffler for
his side of the story, but I'm sure he was heated. I can't believe this
rivalry would re-emerge as teammates.

Joe Nemechek finishes 11th. Great for him considering he was headed for
an 11th place finish when he was taken out by J.R Fitzpatrick on the
last lap of the 2009 race. He only has 2 Top 10's this season, but he's
had plenty of good runs this season with little to no sponsorship.

Aric Almirola is the highest finishing full time Nationwide driver in
8th place. It's his first career road course Top 10. Trevor Bayne picked
up his 3rd road course Top 10, he now has one at each road course. Maybe
Ricky can ask him for some advice? lol.

Kurt Busch joins Dale Earnhardt Jr. Tony Stewart & Matt Kenseth as
winners in their Nationwide COT debut.


  29.   Kyle Busch is Worse Than Skeletor posted:
  08.14.2011 - 6:07 am
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Very boring race. Won by a Buschwhacker, making it pointless. Hope
Kurt's proud of himself. A Sprint Cup driver, a former CHAMP no less,
winning a NWS race is like Barry Bonds playing against a little league
baseball team and then acting like he won something. Boo.


  30.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  08.14.2011 - 7:37 am
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Is road racing even a skill anymore?


  31.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 9:12 am
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While the race was about as strung out as I've any race in years, I
found the duel between the Busch brothers and Carl Edwards, especially
early i nthe race, a very fascinating one, with some pretty darn good
racing, even though there wasn't very much passing among those three.
But while Kyle Busch was faster, he was also much more unsteady, and
that ended up costing him, as he went into the grass in the inner loop,
which cost him an early pit stop, which eventually cost him the race. On
the other hand, Kurt Busch was steady as a rock, not making any
mistakes, and that, in the end, was what won him the race. Edwards was
there, running third, but not really a match for either Busch brother,
though on the restart after the first caution, he nearly wrecked Kurt,
and backed off to gim the elder Busch a chance to save his car. Had
Busch would up spinnng there (in the "S's"), a lot of cars may have been
involved in the crash that would have ensued.

The race for fourth was interesting as well, between Ron Fellows, who's
car just didn't have any speed, Joey Logano (who finished third), Paul
Menard, and eventually Jimmie Johnson. Trevor Bayne, who finished ninth,
and was best in class, drove his typically conservative and methodical
race, staying out of trouble, which served him well. Overconservative
driving on the restarts prevented him from running and finishing hihger,
but his game plan, which I have criticized often, was the correct one
for this race, and if he plays it the same way at Montral, may be even
more beneficial.

Hopefully, his teammate Ricky Stenhouse could learn from Bayne that
someday, as he was all over the place, from the first lap, practically
to the finish, ending up one lap behind in 15th, but he didn't lose much
ground in the point standings, as his closest pursuer, Reed Sorenson
also finished one lap behind, in 13th place, while Elliott Sadler was
the only one of the three battling for the championship that finihsed on
the lead lap, but effectively was the last car on the lead lap,
finishing in tenth place. (Joe Nemechek did finish on the lead lap, but
since he got the free pass on the caution that led to the GWC restart,
he had to start at the end of the line, so he could not improve on his
11th position.) Stenhouse also admitted after the race that he just
can't seem to drive conservatively. That fault in him may well cost him
this championship.

And by the way, since someone else mentioned the conflict between the
Turner Motorsports cars, why did Justin Allgaier make such a bold move
on Bayne and Elliott Sadler on that final restart, instead of allowing
Bayne and Sadler, who were a lap ahead of them, to battle with the other
lead lap cars for a higher position. After all, Allgaier had nothing to
gain from that move. He was 12th, one lap behind and remained so. The
only thing I could imagine was that he may have been trying to wreck
Bayne to bring out another caution, since he (Allgaier) was in the free
pass position, because he would have had no other reason to race the
lead lap cars so aggressively.


  32.   Anonymous posted:
  08.14.2011 - 9:34 am
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The only nns races I watch anymore are RP tracks and roadcourses. please
don't make me lose the latter


  33.   Bronco posted:
  08.14.2011 - 10:18 am
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Kurt gets his first win since Watkins Glen 2006, JJ gets his first top 5
since Fontana in Sept 2007. Back then it was still called the Busch series.

Aric Almirola gets his 5th straight top 10, hope he wins soon.

I will be going to Montreal next week for what may be the final
Nationwide event to be held there. Marcos Ambrose will be making his 5th
attempt at winning that race in a one off ride provided by his Cup team.

Montreal and Elkhart Lake are by far the two best races of the season
that are not RP races.


  34.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.14.2011 - 10:24 am
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"*Restrictor plate fiascos at NHIS excluded."

I thought we all agreed to pretend that race never happened :)

"I'm grateful to NASCAR for letting the race play out. Especially on a
road course. They generally have no clue how to officiate a road course
event"

Quoted for the truth.

"I think the days of road racers dominating these races may be numbered.
The NASCAR regulars have slowly but surely gotten to their level when it
comes to these tracks."

Except Kenseth. But you are right. Their best chance is the stand alone
NWide races since the Cup guys' presence seems to be waning big time.
But even there, the NWide regulars are pretty good at it.


  35.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 11:48 am
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Road course specialists dominating in the road course events? If whoever
first mentioned that was referring to Cup races, what races have you
been watching? A true road course "ringer" hasn't won a Cup race on a
road course since Mark Donohue won the season opening race at Riverside
way back in 1973, nearly 40 years ago for Roger Penske's first NASCAR
victory. And by that time, Donohue had already raced in the Daytona 500
(in 1972), and had raced in the Indianapolis 500 four times, and in
fact, was the REIGNING Indianapolis 500 CHAMPION, as well as having won
the first Pocono 500 in 1971, so even Donohue was somewhat successful on
oval tracks.

Prior to Donohue, the most previous road course specialist to win a road
course race was Dan Gurney, who last won at Riverside in 1968. Sure road
race specialists have been factors in races, simply because of their
overwhelming experience over the Cup drivers, but that is more than
offset by the quality of the Cup teams they're racing against, as well
as the lack of experience the road race specialists have in stock cars.
Since there aren't as many Nationwide drivers and teams of that quality,
the advantage the road race specialists have is not offset, so they do
tend to dominate the road course races as a result. Even Scott Pruett,
the most successful American road race driver in the last 25 years, was
not competitve in the one year he ran full-time in Cup on road courses
for that reason, his team was just not competitve.

Now with the influx of foreign drivers that built their resume on road
courses, like Juan Montoya, Marcos Ambrose, and Nelson Piquet, Jr.,
among others, that have entered the NASCAR ranks, may change that, but
even Ambrose has yet to win in the top series, though I think that
changes today in a big way, if nothing happens, or if the weather
doesn't intervene, which it very well might.


  36.   1995z71 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 12:33 pm
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One of the most boring road course races Ive ever seen, END OF STORY.


  37.   Rusty posted:
  08.14.2011 - 12:41 pm
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"Very boring race. Won by a Buschwhacker, making it pointless. Hope
Kurt's proud of himself. A Sprint Cup driver, a former CHAMP no less,
winning a NWS race is like Barry Bonds playing against a little league
baseball team and then acting like he won something. Boo."

It isn't like Kurt is out there trying to feed his ego or something by
running Nationwide races, this is his first start since 2007 and was
personally asked to fill in by his teammate.

The real issue in this series isn't Cup drivers, it is the Cup drivers
who run about every single race. Kyle and Carl are the main culprits and
you have guys like Harvick, Logano and Brad as problems too. Guys like
Dale Jr. and Stewart run a couple a year for fun or various reasons,
that is what Cup drivers should be doing. Guys like Kurt Busch and
Jimmie Johnson run even less than that.


  38.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  08.14.2011 - 1:08 pm
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"Road course specialists dominating in the road course events? If
whoever first mentioned that was referring to Cup races, what races have
you been watching?"

I was referring to any NASCAR series in general. There may not have been
many road ringer wins in NASCAR history, but you could always at the
least count on them running in the top 5 or leading laps. We haven't
seen a whole lot of this recently, as Reed Sorenson won Road America
earlier this year, and Ambrose wasn't close to being the same factor in
this year's Sonoma race that he was in 2010 (and Montoya certainly
didn't drive like a road course expert this year at Sonoma, his bad
finish in that race was his own fault). He or Montoya could have a good
race at the Glen today, but only time will tell.

Stenhouse is lucky that he didn't lose the points lead after the bad
race he had. If he can get through Montreal without any significant
trouble, I think he will have an excellent shot at winning the
championship. I don't see Sorenson or Sadler winning it otherwise due to
their extreme conservativeness. Unlike those two, Ricky gets up front
and leads laps.


  39.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  08.14.2011 - 1:10 pm
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Also, as much as it pains me to say, Carl probably would have won
Montreal last year if he hadn't had his problems toward the end of that
race. I meant to mention this, but didn't type it in my post.


  40.   18fan posted:
  08.14.2011 - 1:24 pm
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Another thing that might contribute to the decline of the road ringer
effectiveness is that the road ringers have really helped teach the
NASCAR regulars how to become better road racers.


  41.   Jon posted:
  08.14.2011 - 1:48 pm
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post #18 i'm sick and tired of people making horrible comparisons to
sports that have NOTHING to do with racing and thinking they're making a
good analogy, because you're not.

racing is NOT a stick and ball sport and trying to make some convoluted
effort to compare the two is ridiculous and just proves the intelligence
level of many nascar fans is apparently minimal. don't enforce that
belief by... well, by being that dumb.


  42.   Jon posted:
  08.14.2011 - 1:55 pm
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and everyone saying "glad they let them play it out" apparently doesn't
even understand why cautions get thrown. no car at any point until the
final caution was stalled or in a part of the track that a caution would
be forced to throw. there was nothing to force them to "throw mystery
cautions."

do they sometimes throw a caution that makes you scratch your head? yep.
but then at the end of a race when the golden child of nascar is leading
and there's a wreck in turn 1, and they DON'T THROW THE CAUTION,
everyone is up in arms. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.

nascar doesn't have any interest in making people think they fix races
or at least intentionally make inconsistent decisions. i'll agree it
would be nice if they were more consistent with their cautions and i
also wish they could learn how to properly throw local cautions in these
races. but they don't.

i'm NOT suggesting they throw mystery cautions. but if you watched the
road america race, they ran long green runs until the end. finally
drivers got antsy and the cautions came a plenty. on ovals, i hate the
one car spin cautions that are unnecessary, but on a road course,
sometimes THEY ARE necessary. a majority of the road america one car
spins late in the race resulted in a car being stuck in the kitty
litter. in the interest of safety you pretty much have to throw a
caution, you can't pull a car out just off the track with cars at speed.
today, there were plenty of examples that they do know the difference
there but they still haven't implemented local cautions which would cure
some of these problems (but not solve pulling cars out of the litter).

all i'm suggesting is the race would have been more fun if they had had
some random cautions during the race, not throwing them just "because"
but maybe if... i dunno, someone wrecked? that'd at least give us a
restart, mix up the strategy, and keep more cars on the lead lap.

oh no, i touched another taboo topic! we'd hate to have more cars on the
lead lap, as it seems everyone on here has some weird thing against the
lucky dog/wave around rule which to me are a few of the good rules they
have created in recent years. nothing pissed me off more than seeing the
leader have to fight through 15 lapped cars just to get to the front,
and it confused the casual viewer greatly.


  43.   Anonymous posted:
  08.14.2011 - 2:36 pm
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need a tissue 42


  44.   KBM18 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 4:16 pm
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"The real issue in this series isn't Cup drivers, it is the Cup drivers
who run about every single race. Kyle and Carl are the main culprits and
you have guys like Harvick, Logano and Brad as problems too."

Couldn't help but notice you list Kyle Busch as one of the "main
culprits", and then put Keselowski on a the level with more part-time
drivers like Harvick and Logano. Just for a refresher, here are the
number of starts for Busch and Keselowski since Keselowski has been a
full time Cup driver:

2010:

Busch - 29 starts
Keselowski - 35 starts


2011:

Busch - 16 starts
Keselowski - 20 starts


Just thought you might like to know Keselowski has made 10 more starts
than Busch, even though Busch is apparently the one doing more damage to
the series. I guess when you far more often, people tend to forget the
facts.


  45.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 4:18 pm
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OK, RCRandPenskeGuy, so you were referring to all the NASCAR series in
general, because I wasn't sure if you were referring to the Cup series,
or all major NASCAR series when it came to road courses. As for your
point about Montoya's bad finish being caused by his "bull in a china
shop" run. He's been doing that at all styles of tracks for years now,
so what surprise is there in that? He ran Kasey Kahne into the wall last
week at Pocono just like he ran Kyle Busch off the track at Sonoma
earlier this year, or his wncounters with Ryan Newman at richmond, or
Jimmie Johnson at Darlington, or the encounters he has had with Jeff
Gordon and Tony Stewart in recent seasons. So Montoya's failures shoyuld
not surprise anyone, and why Ganassi continues have him as one of his
drivers continues to boggle me, considering all the cars he has torn up.

As for your comment about Ricky Stenhouse being lucky not to lose more
ground, he is, but it's not because of the conservative driving of
Sadler and Sorenson that he's leading the points right now, but rather
his superior equipment. Remember that Sorenson has been jerked around
between the #32 and the #30 cars of Turner Motorsports, so that has cost
him some in the title race, and Sadler and Kevin Harvick, his car owner,
has adapted a conservative strategy based on the points system.

Remember that, if he not gotten ill, Trevor Bayne would be in the points
battle, and he seems to be far more conservative than either Sadler or
Sorenson are, which again, played in his favor at Watkins Glen. At least
Sadler and Sorenson have led laps this year, especially Sadler, who led
significant chunks of the races at Darlington and Chicago, the latter of
which he might have won if not for a flat tire.

Except for pit strategy at Loudon, Bayne has not led at all this year,
except for the first two plate races, so if there is someone who should
be criticized for being too conservative, especially given his equipment
and team, it would be Bayne, not Sadler or Sorenson, and that may
eventually cost him his ride at Roush, especially if they have to
downsize at year's end. And I still think Sadler or Sorenson could win
the title this year, because Stenhouse, due to how aggressive he is on
the track, could very easily lose the title.


  46.   00andJoe posted:
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#37: Totally agree. Even Brad isn't much of a problem - he's running out
the contract he signed when he wasn't sure he'd have a Cup ride. If he
ran a full season next year though I'd class him in with Carl and Kyle.

I still think, though, that the whole problem would be solved by
ditching the points-in-one-series rule (which I call the "let's screw
Trevor Bayne, Landon Cassill and Travis Kvapil Rule") and instead
instated a rule that says drivers in the top 35 in Cup points who are
entered in a Cup race cannot compete in any other NASCAR-sanctioned
races in that weekend, unless they are a Cup rookie or replacing a
driver injured during a race weekend.


  47.   Rusty posted:
  08.14.2011 - 5:14 pm
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I'm not saying Brad is a big issue, I totally know and understand why he
was supposed to run full time this year. The word is Brad and Kligerman
will split the #22 next year while Hornish will drive the #12 full time
if sponsorship allows. I still would expect 16-20 races for Brad next
year which is too much IMO. I think Penske should let Brad and Kurt
split most of the companion races so neither runs too many races, but I
doubt it.

I think a good rule to implement for NASCAR would this:
When a driver chooses which series he is points eligible for when the
season begins, the drivers are not allowed to qualify for top 35/30
rules for qualyifing. So all Cup guys would have to qualify on time for
every Nationwide and Truck race. Kyle Busch would've DNQ'd at Kentucky
with this rule. It may make teams second guess using Cup drivers so much
since they could be one qualyifing mistake away from being sent home.


  48.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 6:32 pm
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Why not just limit the number of races a current full-time Cup driver
with more than three full years of experience (or 100 Cup starts) can
run in a lower series to about 10-12, with the exception of replacing an
injured driver, as was the case with Kurt Busch at Watkins Glen,
replacing Brad Keselowski due to Keselowski's injuries from his testing
crash at Road Atlanta.

Now, drivers with fewer than three full years of Cup experience should
be allowed to run as many Nationwide or Truck races as they wish to,
because of the added experience that would give them. For example, if
Trevor Bayne, Ricky Stenhouse, or Justin Allgaier were to get a
full-time Cup ride, they would still be eligible to run up to a full
schedule in the Nationwide Series if they so desire, since neither has
run a full Cup schedule, much less three years in order to gain
experience (Allgaier, in fact, has yet to run even one Cup race and
Stenhouse only has one Cup start), while current Cup-inactives like Reed
Sorenson, Elliott Sadler, and Sam Hornish, Jr. would be limited to that
10-12 races in a lower series, should they get a full-time Cup ride
again. (Sorenson ran five full years in Cup for 161 starts, while Sadler
currenty has 449 starts and 12 full seasons in Cup, while Hornish has
also run three full Cup seasons.) That should give younger drivers more
chances to gain experience, as well as opportunites to run up front in a
lower series more often.

For example, just look at what Michael McDowell has done in the #18 NNS
car in his limited attempts, as he has proven more than competent.
Though the fact that he struggle so mightily in Michael Waltrip's car
proves two things. One, he was rushed too soon, and two, it shows how
bad that team really is, if their performance in Cup this year hasn't
proved that already.

Another way to make it harder to the current full-time Cup drivers with
at least three full years (or 100 Cup starts) is to make the car that
they are in automatically non-exempt, with no championship provisional
available, if he is a past NNS or Truck champion. Now that should not
make other car exempt, but instead, if NASCAR were to adapt such a rule,
it should just take however many cars that would be, and subtract that
many from the exempt list for the race. Though for some companion race,
that would mean that as few as 15-20 cars would be exempt from having to
qualify on time, which is alright with me.


  49.   potatosalad48 posted:
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The strange pit-road at the Glen nearly cost some teams, as the #7, #38
and the #01 all had the gas can stick in the car and brought penalties
to all 3 cars.


  50.   00andJoe posted:
  08.14.2011 - 6:55 pm
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Rusty - That plan could work, although it still keeps the
"Choose-A-Series" rule in place, which I dislike. Perhaps if it was
changed to "choose Cup/All Other Series"...

cjs - That could also work, although it's rather more complicated and it
has a problem, what if a Cup driver loses his ride, is he then eligible
to run more races in a lower series? What if he's running a S&P team in
Cup and a full-time Busch ride (i.e. Joe Nemechek)?


  51.   Rusty posted:
  08.14.2011 - 7:37 pm
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I don't like the Choose-A-Series rule either, but if NASCAR is going to
keep it that way I think that would be a good add to the rule. If you
choose the Cup Series as your main series, you should have to race your
way in with other series. NASCAR probably won't do it because they are
afraid of big name sponsors not being present (the whole reason they
made the awful top 35 rule).

Speaking of the top 35 rule, I think it is time that rule is adjusted.
It needs to be taken down to at least the top 30. Because of the economy
the series is so watered down that teams 33rd in points really shouldn't
be locked in.


  52.   myothercarisanM535i posted:
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Changing the way qualifying is run would also be a way to eliminate the
top-35 rule. Instead of each car getting two single laps, have it run as
a timed session with multiple cars on track at once. Split the field in
two by practice speed (faster half and slower half) and give each group
20 minutes on the track. You can run as many laps as you like and make
as many adjustments as you like. If there was no top-35 rule and the
current system was used, a driver going out and making a run at the pole
might push a little too hard a wreck, missing the field. This doesn't
bother me personally, but it's something NASCAR doesn't like. With a
timed session, drivers are able to run a more conservative lap to secure
their spot in the field and THEN make a run for the pole, knowing that
if they wreck, they'll still be in the field.


If you don't make the race this way, well then you don't deserve to be
there on raceday.


  53.   00andJoe posted:
  08.14.2011 - 7:47 pm
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That's another good point: the top-35 rule really hasn't achieved its
purpose at all. As I recall, things were changed from "provisionals, to
give the high-ranking teams in points a few mulligans" to "top 35, to
make it easier for teams to sign sponsors by guaranteeing a spot in the
race".

Since even Carl Edwards, Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon (of all people!)
can arrange a full-season sponsorship with a company, clearly teams
lower in the standings will have things still harder, top 35 or no top 35.

If we're keeping the Chase (which is a whole 'nother can of worms),
let's change it to the top -12- being locked in, and everybody else has
to move it or lose it. (We might keep the past champion's provisional
around just to be sure the previous season's champion is always in, but
that's it...)


  54.   Rusty posted:
  08.14.2011 - 7:55 pm
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I personally liked the provisional system. We never saw top drivers miss
races under that, and it didn't lock crappy teams who just run laps into
the field. The rule was made because Scott Wimmer and Scott Riggs both
missed the fall Atlanta race in 2004 and Caterpillar and Valvoline were
unhappy. But it turns out that Valvoline ended up being screwed by that
top 35 rule as Scott Riggs missed the Daytona 500 the following year in
a brand new Evernham Motorsports team with Valvoline sponsoring. The top
35 needs to be abolished, but if they are going to keep it, at least cut
the number down. The #32, #7, #71 teams, etc. don't deserve to be locked
in. It isn't like those teams bring sponsors that NASCAR needs to the
table anyways.


  55.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.14.2011 - 9:36 pm
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"The real issue in this series isn't Cup drivers, it is the Cup drivers
who run about every single race."

I agree, especially the experienced ones. After your first year in Cup,
there is no need for it. As I have said, I have no problem with drivers
running 15 races or less. But more than that is just weak. Trust me, us
fans of Brad are not thrilled about his heavy NWide involvement. At all.
We sort of understand the circumstances behind which he signed that 2
year deal. But whenever it was announced JV would take over for the
stand alone road courses, we were happy and hoping he would cut back
even more, especially now that he is gaining serious momentum in Cup,
and has a great opportunity to take advantage of the Jamie Mac Rule.
Unfortunately he has cut back further, but it is because he got hurt.

But at the same time, NASCAR needs to schedule more stand alone NWide
races. Without points to chase, that is keeping a lot of Cuppers at bay.
It will hurt them money wise in the short term, but will show long term
gains in both Series as new talent is developed. That is one of about a
million reasons why the move from IRP to IMS next year is a horrible
decision.


  56.   irony posted:
  08.14.2011 - 10:12 pm
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If you let Cup drivers run 10-15 races, they'll still be too many Cup
drivers in each race, and Cup drivers will still win 99% of the
companion races. Also, if a Cup rookie needs to run NW, then they aren't
ready for Cup and shouldn't be there. Every other racing series is able
to make their ladder series work without the star drivers.


  57.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 10:12 pm
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00andJoe, the Joe Nemechek situation is an interesting one, since he
start-and-parks in the Cup series to finaince his Nationwide program.
But since Nemechek doesn't actively run in the Cup races, I'd let that
one slide. Now, that rule I mentioned would be for drivers ACTIVELY
competing in the Cup Series, so if a driver from the Cup series is
released, the lower series start limit would no longer apply until he is
actively competing in the Cup series again.

Now, as for the top 35 rule. I've never been a big fan of it, especially
because of how it's watered down the importance of the qualifying race
or the Daytona 500. I've always thought that what they should do there
is go back to the way they used to do it for the top 40 spots, which
would be to qualify the front row, take the top 14 cars from each
qualifying race, other than the front row starters, and then the next 10
fastest speeds. Then after that, any top 35 car not already in the
Daytona 500 would line up, starting from the 41st position, until all
exempt cars are in the line-up, and then if there's a past series
champion not in the field, add him. Yes, the field might be more than 43
cars, but they used to start 50 for that race, so I don't think that
should be a problem.

Actually, they should either scale the number of exempt cars back to 25,
or go back to the old provisional system. The whole situation with Scott
Riggs and Scott Wimmer in Atlanta that brought on the top-35 rule was
actually caused when teams with cars in the Chase in 2004 brought extra
cars to protect their Chase entries, and those extra cars knocked Wimmer
and Riggs out of that race. But you can't go with strictly a "go or go
home" policy for every car, and the prime example would be the 2003
Coca-Cola 600. Jimmie Johnson's engine blew on the warm-up lap on his
qualifying run, meaning that he never got to make a qualifying run. That
resulted in him starting 37th, and he won the race, so that idea would
never work.

As for those wanting to see multi-car qualifying like you would see on
road courses, I don't think that idea would fly either, because you
would see a driver run a fast lap, then intentionally prevent another
driver from having a chance to top that mark, even blocking him to
acheive that aim, so that idea would never work. In fact, Jimmie Johnson
may have done just that this week at Watkins Glen to prevent Kevin
Harvick from acheiveing a faster practice time.

Actually, if you wanted to see more racing, and make it so that everyone
gets a chance to race, have single-car qualifying on Friday, then, after
the support race, whether it's Nationwide, Trucks, or ARCA, run twin
qualifying races like you see at Daytona, the results of which would set
the field, except for the front row drivers, of course. That, in my
mind, will accomplish two things. First, it will give the teams a better
chance to see where they stack up against each other. Secondly, it may
stop drivers from running the support races, since quite a number of
them do so, mainly to get an advantage on those that don't, since the
drivers that run the support races, will know what the track and the
tires are going to do, as well as finding out what the handling of the
car is going to do over a run before those that don't run the support
races do. To me, that's the biggest reason you see so many Cup drivers
in, especially the Nationwide Series race, when it is partnered with the
Cup race. I think that is one way to get rid of so many double-duty
drivers is to take away the advantage that running both races give them
over those that don't run both races.


  58.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.14.2011 - 10:27 pm
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Irony, I said that a current full-time cup driver with at least three
years, or 100 starts, should be allowed a maximum of 10-12 races, but
that's just one-third of the season, maximum. And I also stated that a
driver in Cup with less than that amount of CUP experience should be
given the OPTION of running as many lower series races as he wants, to
gain that experience quicker. Some drivers, like Jeff Gordon and Jimmie
Johnson, most notably, have declined to even do that, but other drivers
abuse that the other way around.

For example with Roush, he has four Cup drivers. If he wanted to go for
the owner's championship, he could split the season, having each of his
four drivers run nine races each, while having guys like Ricky
Stenhouse, Jr. and Trevor Bayne in full-time cars. Or if Joe Gibbs
wanted to do the same thing with his three Cup drivers splitting time in
one of his cars for the entire season, but none of them having a
dominant role, while having a guy like Brian Scott, Michael McDowell, or
Drew Herring having full-time rides in his other cars, I have no problem
with that.

I just don't like the idea of having any single veteran Cup driver
running the full circuit, taking away the chance for younger drivers to
develop, or not allowing veterans who have fallen on hard times a chance
to redeem themselves. That's what is so great about the Nationwide title
fight. You've got a developmental driver in Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., in a
Roush car, battling two veteran drivers in Elliott Sadler and Reed
Sorenson who have fallen on hard times and are trying to get back into
Cup. Sadler, a 13-year veteran who's trying to take KHI back to the top,
where Harvick himself put the team a few years back, while Sorenson is
trying to win the title with an unproven team.

Now, the Penske situation is a slightly different one, as Penske started
a Nationwide team, not for driver development, but to develop personnel
in other parts of his organization, such as members of his pit crew,
mechanics, and crew chiefs. He really wasn't going after driver
development. So Cup teams run the Nationwide Series for different reasons.


  59.   Spen posted:
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"But at the same time, NASCAR needs to schedule more stand alone NWide
races."
I'd love to see it, but it ain't gonna happen. As Nashville SS's
attendence shows, stand-alone races simply cannot draw a crowd. No one
wants to see a race with no established Cup drivers. (Yes, we do, but
we're the minority.) Yeah, Iowa does good, and they'll probably get a
cup date within the next five years. By that point, I expect Road
America to be replaced with a compainion race at Sears Point. And then
there will be no stand-alone races in either series.


  60.   myothercarisanM535i posted:
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"As for those wanting to see multi-car qualifying like you would see on
road courses, I don't think that idea would fly either, because you
would see a driver run a fast lap, then intentionally prevent another
driver from having a chance to top that mark, even blocking him to
acheive that aim, so that idea would never work. In fact, Jimmie Johnson
may have done just that this week at Watkins Glen to prevent Kevin
Harvick from acheiveing a faster practice time. "

Is NASCAR really that much of a toothless tiger?


  61.   00andJoe posted:
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Another thing NASCAR should do is change the schedule so that Happy Hour
is once again -after- the support race, instead of before. That would
cut down on the number of teams using the support race as an extra
practice session, and also make things a little more even by not giving
double-duty drivers practice time on the track the morning of the
support race event.


  62.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.15.2011 - 9:21 am
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Excellent point irony. I have a plan for that that I detailed in the
first Gateway race page last year (aka the "Carl Is Definitely A Phony
Psychopath Race").

"As Nashville SS's attendence shows, stand-alone races simply cannot
draw a crowd."

That is true. Like I said, this will definitely cause a short term dip
in revenue (which is why it will never happen), but in the long term it
would allow new talent to develop and get us excited about rookie
classes for the first time since '06 and would prevent the stagnation of
talent in Cup.


  63.   Matt L posted:
  08.15.2011 - 1:20 pm
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"As Nashville SS's attendence shows, stand-alone races simply cannot
draw a crowd."

Huh? Iowa? IRP? Montreal? You have to promote a race for people to show up.


  64.   Anonymous posted:
  08.15.2011 - 1:42 pm
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I think Kurt called his crew chief "Tom Gordon" instead of Todd Gordon
at least twice in his post-race TV interview.


  65.   Talon64 posted:
  08.15.2011 - 4:48 pm
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Kurt Busch picked up his 3rd career Nationwide series win, the last two
coming from pole at Watkins Glen (2006 and 2011). It's the 3rd win for
the #22 Penske team this season, all coming in the last 6 races.

In his first start since 2008 Jimmie Johnson got just his 9th top 5 in
92 career Nationwide starts, his best finish since his 2001 Chicagoland
win (1st career runner-up finish) and 1st top 5 since finishing 4th at
Fontana in 2007.

After only having 6 top 10's all of last season, the #7 team has 6 top
5's in 2011.

Joey Logano got just his 6th top 5 in 14 NNS starts this season but his
2nd straight top 3 finish at Watkins Glen.

In his first Nationwide start in 4 races, Kyle Busch extends his
personal top 5 streak to 10 races.

Carl Edwards picked up his 4th straight top 5 finish after having an
average finish of 18.7 in the previous 3 races.

Paul Menard finishes outside of the top 5 for the first time in 4 NNS
starts this season, but his 6th place finish gives him an average finish
of 3.8 in those starts.

Ron Fellows and Elliott Sadler are the only 2 drivers to finish in the
top 10 in the first 2 road course races of the season.

Aric Almirola was the highest finishing full time NNS-only driver in
8th, putting an end to his 4 race top 5 streak but extending his top 10
streak to 5 races. After only 10 top 10's in his first 39 career NNS
starts, Almirola has 13 in 23 races this season.

Trevor Bayne got just his 2nd top 10 in the last 8 races (18.5 avg fin).

After going 3 straight races without a top 10, Elliott Sadler finishes
in the top 10 for a 2nd straight race.


  66.   Talon64 posted:
  08.15.2011 - 4:58 pm
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For the 2nd time this season Carl Edwards is scheduled to be the only
full time Cup driver (not counting Michael McDowell who just S&P's in
the #66 Cup car) to be running a Nationwide race, this weekend at Montreal.

Last time he was scheduled to do it, he abandoned running at Road
America to focus on his Cup car at Infineon and it payed off with a 3rd
place finish.

This weekend he'll be going back and forth between Michigan and
Montreal, taking time away from his car at probably his best track in
Cup where he could really use a win to get some bonus points and
especially some momentum heading into the Chase.

I really hope that sometime this week or sometime this weekend Carl and
Roush will do the same as Road America and forget about Carl running the
NNS race. It makes no sense for him to do it.

It makes much more sense for McDowell since he's only a Cup S&P driver,
and he'll probably do what he did for Infineon/Road America and skip all
Cup practice and qualifying to focus on the NNS race where he'll have a
chance to win. So no double standard there IMO.


  67.   myothercarisanM535i posted:
  08.15.2011 - 6:31 pm
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Marcos Ambrose is running Montreal in a #9 RPM Ford with sponsorship
from Stanley. Owen Kelly will practice and qualify the car on Friday.


  68.   Alex posted:
  08.15.2011 - 8:17 pm
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#66 I believe Todd Bodine will start and park the HP car so McDowell can
focus on Nationwide.


  69.   Talon64 posted:
  08.16.2011 - 4:55 pm
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yeah I realized after I posted I was wrong about Carl being the only Cup
guy there but couldn't get back to correct myself until now.


  70.   Talon64 posted:
  08.16.2011 - 6:20 pm
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oh and Trevor Bayne's scheduled to do double duty too, driving the #21
at Michigan and the #16 in Montreal.


  71.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.16.2011 - 6:48 pm
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And Talon64, why on earth is Roush having Trevor Bayne drive in the race
at Montreal, since he is scheduled to neither practice or qualify the
car. One-time IndyCar driver Michel Jourdain, Jr. is scheduled to handle
those duties, because Bayne will be driving the Wood Brothers car in
Michgan. There's even a possibility that Jourdain might not even qualify
the car for the race, though the chances of that happening are
next-to-none. It does have to qualify on time, since it did not compete
in the first Iowa race this year.

The reason I ask this question is, what does Roush hope to gain by
putting Bayne in that car under those circumstances? He is 11th in
points, with virtually no chance to catch 10th-place Michael Annett,
short of Annett being fired by Rusty Wallace, as well as ninth-place
Brian Scott. Currently, Bayne is nearly two full races behind Annett and
Scott in the points standings, and even with a stronger team, I don't
think Bayne could hope to make up that much ground, even if he gets a
miracle win before the season's over. Sure, he could drop to as low as
15th if he misses the race this week, but running him in a race the same
weekend as one of his part-time Cup races on antoher track, to me, makes
no sense at all.


  72.   Cooper posted:
  08.16.2011 - 8:29 pm
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cjs, experience. Trevor needs more laps on road courses. Seems simple to
me.


  73.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.16.2011 - 8:50 pm
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"with virtually no chance to catch 10th-place Michael Annett, short of
Annett being fired by Rusty Wallace"

Or getting another DUI. Sorry, I had to go there. I couldn't help it.


  74.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.16.2011 - 11:18 pm
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Cooper, Trevor looked like he did pretty good at Watkins Glen to me, as
he was on the lead lap for the entire race, and last week, especially
for non-Cup drivers or road course specialists, that was a pretty good
accomplishment in itself. And if Roush thought he needed more road
course experience, why didn't he try to get him in that car he had
Stenhouse and Ragan in during the GrandAm race?

Something tells me that that, since Bayne really has nothing to gain
from running the NNS race at Montreal, since there's no chance for him
to move up in the point standings from where he currently is by year's
end, unless something really strange happens, that Roush might be
running him in this race to showcase him for another team potentially,
because why else would he run Bayne in a race that he shouldn't be
running in, due to his Cup obligations with the Wood Brothers at
Michigan. Something about running Bayne in this race just doesn't add up
to me, even though he is sponsored in the Nationwide Series for just the
third time this year.

Now if he didn't have a Cup obligation for the Wood Brothers this week
at Michigan, then yes, I can see Roush having a good reason to run him
in this race. But also, since he is going to be in a #16 car sponsored
by 3M, I wonder if and when Boris Said may take a shot at him, due to
what happened at Watkins Glen between him and Greg Biffle, though Biffle
was not in a car sponsored by 3M this past weekend.


  75.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  08.16.2011 - 11:47 pm
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"Or getting another DUI. Sorry, I had to go there. I couldn't help it."

The good news is, he probably won't get one for a while if his license
is still suspended. Personally, if I were Rusty I would also have fired
him after the incident just before the season started, regardless if he
comes with a sponsor or not. That crap can't be tolerated.


  76.   irony posted:
  08.17.2011 - 12:19 am
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Speaking of Nashville SS, Rockingham is getting safer barriers. Could be
a good sign that it will get a date from Nashville.


  77.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.17.2011 - 9:39 am
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The only way that NASCAR would even consider taking one of it's touring
series back to Rockingham is if they fix the walls, and I don't mean
adding SAFER barriers, which of course, would be nice. The biggest
problem is that the wall there, especially exiting turn two, acts as a
launching pad for the cars because it's not set at a 90 degree angle in
relation to the track itself. Any time a car hits the wall at that part
of the track with any force, the car immediately goes into the air. As a
result, I would call that wall an unsafe wall, and unless they can make
it so that cars won't get airborne every time they hit the wall at that
spot, it would be a bad idea to have any major races there.


  78.   irony posted:
  08.17.2011 - 10:02 pm
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Rockingham isn't the only track with that style transition. I'm sure
that could be fixed with the safer barrier.


  79.   00andJoe posted:
  08.20.2011 - 12:37 am
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#20 sponsor should be just GameStop.


  80.   00andJoe posted:
  09.22.2011 - 5:56 pm
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#82 owner: Pat MacDonald


  81.   Daniel posted:
  05.21.2012 - 12:22 pm
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In using fastest 43: #41 Tomy Drissi, #46 Chase Miller, #47 Brian
Keselowski, #50 Brian Simo

Out using fastest 43: #21 Tim George Jr., #28 Derrike Cope, #70 Dennis
Setzer, #89 Morgan Shepherd


  82.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  04.24.2014 - 8:46 pm
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Withdrew
74 Mike Harmon TBA Chevrolet Mike Harmon


  83.   Windows Millennium Edition posted:
  03.13.2016 - 3:26 pm
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Withdrew:

WD|Chris Cook|71|Rick Ware Racing|Rick Ware|Ford


  84.   Ak47 posted:
  05.12.2016 - 2:53 pm
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Kurt and JJ top 2 in a Nationwide race..what a strange sight


  85.   SweetRich posted:
  06.30.2020 - 4:30 pm
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The commentators were Allen Bestwick, Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett. The
pit road reporters were Dr. Jerry Punch, Dave Burns, Vince Welch and
Shannon Spake.


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