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  1.   10andJoe posted:
  03.10.2012 - 8:19 pm
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Last time non-Cup drivers won the first three Busch Series events: 2001
(LaJoie, T. Bodine).

Last time three different non-Cup drivers won the first three Busch
Series events: **NEVER**.


  2.   10andJoe posted:
  03.10.2012 - 8:22 pm
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Sponsors:

#60 - Roush Fenway Racing (car was pure white, did not have the 25th
anniversary scheme)
#44 - Bandit Chippers
#51 - GoodInfo.com
#40 - The Motorsports Group
#46 - The Motorsports Group
#42 - The Motorsports Group
#47 - The Motorsports Group


  3.   Alex posted:
  03.10.2012 - 8:24 pm
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I don't think Bayne will be racing in the 60 next weekend without
sponsorship.


  4.   Rusty posted:
  03.10.2012 - 8:24 pm
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Brian Scott had probably the best car in his career and still managed to
crash. This guy has to get some results soon or he is done.


  5.   myothercarisanM535i posted:
  03.10.2012 - 8:33 pm
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Was happy to see it go green til the end. With the big lead Stenhouse
had, I wouldn't have been surprised to see a "debris" caution somewhere
in there, but thankfully, there wasn't.

And on the subject of Ricky Stenhouse, I've actually become something of
a fan of his. It's always good to see a young driver learn from his
mistakes and make real progress.


  6.   cjs3872 posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:01 pm
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Well, Rusty (#4), what caused Brian Scott to crash was a combination of
things. First, while in a group of cars, he ran up on the car of Derrike
Cope, which caused him to lift in turn three. That allowed Trevor Bayne
to get on his outside, which in turn sucked Scott's car around due to
the areodynamic effect of having a car on his outside, after which he
overcorrected, causing him to slam into the wall exiting turn four
head-on. Fortunately, he walked away unhurt. What happened to Scott
would have happened to just about anyone else.

And Alex, having Bayne miss the next Nationwide race at his home track
(Bristol, the sight of his very first Nationwide start) due to lack of
sponsorship is bad enough, but I'm worried that his sponsorship problems
in the Nationwide Series could very well also cost him his ride in the
Wood Brothers car after this weekend's race. The reason being, Roush may
have to release him outright. The Wood Brothers' car, from what I
understand, may be tied to the Roush deal. In fact, from what I
understand, Ford and Roush tried to get Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. in the Wood
Brothers' car this year, but the Woods talked them out of it. So we
could very well see Stenhouse in that #21 car the next time it races if
Bayne has to be let go. Either that, or they coulud go with one of the
veteran drivers that Frank Stodard has in his car, one of which, Terry
Labonte, is eligible for the champion's provisional, so Bayne's problem
may well affect the Wood Brothers, as well.

But also, this is third different organization for which Bayne has had
this particular problem, as he had this isue with DEI and MWR
previously. Bayne's luck in this regard is starting to remind me, and
probably others, of the plight of Donnie Allison back in the first half
of the 1970s, when he couldn't keep a ride, despite being one of the top
drivers on the circuit. He even drove for A.J. Foyt at Indy twice, never
finishing lower than sixth, and finishing fourth in 1970 and winning
Rokie of the Year at Indy just six days after thoroughly dominating the
World 600 at Charlotte. He also won the Firecracker 400 at Daytona later
that year, yet was the prominent driver most adversely affected by the
factory pullout after the 1970 season. Ironically, Donnie was someone
that mentored Bayne in his early racing career, so maybe he's inherited
some of Donnie's luck.

And myothercarisanM535i, we saw several Nationwide Series races last
year in which there were no phantom debris cautions late in the race to
wipe out a big lead, the most noteworthy of which was the second race at
Chicago which Brad Keselowski won by about nine or ten seconds.


  7.   ch posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:24 pm
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Sponsor change on the 24

24 - VSI Racing / Kentucky Antler Co.

10and Joe beat me to the others...

On the Trevor Bayne situation, I wish that RFR would allow him to run
the unsponsored nationwide races for another ford team! Rick Ware Racing
would have no problem convincing their sponsor, Poynt, to back him for a
few races in the 15. Roush's steep asking prices are killing Bayne's
career right now. For crying out load, he is forth in the points. Think
about what he could do if given a full season, even if it is like Reed
Sorenson last year, or Bobby Labonte in 2010 (cup series).

Great finish for Mike Bliss and the Tri-Star 44 team! Came back from 2
laps down in 28th at the midway point to a top 15 lead lap run, but
still NO MENTION from ESPN!

Also proud of Mike's teammate in the 19, Tayler Malsam. Last year he
couldn't qualify for Truck races and was out of a job. Somehow he got
G-Oil to back him full time this year and has done an exceptional job.
Top 10 in Daytona and a lead lap 16th place finish this week. He's even
7th in the points, but still hardly anything about him from ESPN!

In fact the entire Tri-Star team as a whole has improved this year. The
only weak link is Eric McClure. I have to be honest by saying that I
expect more out of him, especially considering how well Bliss and Malsam
are doing.

I felt like SPEED did a fairly good job in giving Johanna Long some good
coverage, but ESPN sort dropped the ball in the race. It was ok, but she
did a really good job.

Good solid runs by Mike Wallace and Blake Kock, but no recognition. And
it was great to see Morgan Shepherd run this week after DNQ-ing at
Daytona and parking at Phoenix.


  8.   ch posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:26 pm
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*Koch


  9.   18fan posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:38 pm
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Andy Petree did say something about how well Bliss has run this year.


  10.   JP88 posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:47 pm
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#4

Yeah Brian Scott needs to start producing...it seems every time he has a
car capable of finishing in the top-5, he wrecks, gets wrecked, or has
an issue. Obviously some aren't his fault but he screwed up today.

And I feel so bad for Trevor...man his luck since winning the 500 has
gone straight down the crapper. I don't get why anyone wouldn't want to
sponsor him, I wish I had the money to sponsor him, I'd do it in a
heartbeat.


  11.   Rusty posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:56 pm
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I'm not necesarily blaming Scott for this wreck either, but when people
look back on this race they just see a 34th place finish. He is driving
top of the line equipment and isn't getting results. This sport is not
very forgiving and he'll be out on his ass soon if he doesn't show the
ability to get results at the end of the day.


  12.   10andJoe posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:58 pm
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"Rick Ware Racing would have no problem convincing their sponsor, Poynt,
to back him for a few races in the 15."

Well, RWR has already arranged to run Jeffrey Earnhardt in some races
starting at Bristol in the 15 - but good point. Bayne really needs to
start looking elsewhere now lest he wind up Ward Burton'd.

"I felt like SPEED did a fairly good job in giving Johanna Long some
good coverage, but ESPN sort dropped the ball in the race."

She gets no ESPN coverage because her name isn't Danica.


  13.   Dion posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:58 pm
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I am in shock that a Nationwide driver won again...this is GREAT!!! They
actually have more wins then they did back in 2010 against cup guys (2
wins)


  14.   AlmirolaFan51/88/43 posted:
  03.10.2012 - 9:59 pm
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I'll give Brian Scott a pass here. He just needs to pace himself and the
finshes will happen. I think all of the Nationwide only drivers are
starting to realize the series is back in their hands now.

As for the Bayne situation, maybe Roush can field a couple parkers to
fund his car! (Just kidding, it's a terrible idea, I know.)


  15.   Anonymous posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:06 pm
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Calling BS on Ricky and Trevor not being able to have sponsorship. Is
Roush holding out for a big deal and turning away smaller companies that
aren't offering as much cash for fear of being seen as small-time?


  16.   beau posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:11 pm
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wow, if this keeps up, i might start watching this series again.


  17.   Kyle posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:13 pm
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no, it's just that roush charges too much for sponsorship. penske said
that miller lite and shell paid $13 million each to sponsor keselowski
and allmendinger for the full season. in 2011, all of edwards sponsors
(aflac, kellogg's, scotts, subway) added together to equal $26 million.
he thinks he's so much better than everyone else that he would rather
run a blank white car than take less money. i hope penske keeps building
their own engines next year so all the smaller ford teams like RPM and
front row stop getting roush / yates engines drive them almost out of
business and finally convince roush to hand control of the team over to
robby reiser, which he should have done 5 or 6 years ago.


  18.   Bronco posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:15 pm
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I believe this is the first auto race at LVMS since Dan Wheldon's death
in the Indycar race back in October.

Can't even remember the last Nationwide regulars won three consecutive
events, this makes it 5 of the last 6 going back to Texas last year. Not
only that, but its probably been a long time since a series regular won
on a 1.5 mile track after leading the most laps.

Also third straight race where Kyle Busch has finished outside the top
10, something that never happened when he drove the #18 car. His last
top 10 was at Charlotte last October. I know he'll get it turned out
around soon but I don't think he'll have the same success that he did
with his truck team in Nationwide.


  19.   Rusty posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:21 pm
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Jack Roush has been known to put a high pricetag on sponsoring his car.
I have a hard time believing he can't find a single company willing to
sponsor the defending Nationwide series champion and last year's Daytona
500 winner. Hell, he's hard a time getting sponsorship for a former Cup
champion and this year's Daytona 500 winner. Despite having one of the
better on camera personalities in the sport, Carl Edwards needs to have
multiple sponsors to split up his schedule.

Trevor Bayne needs to get a chance with another top team. I really wish
he would've ended up at Penske.


  20.   Benny posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:23 pm
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this series seems like it has gotten more fun to watch now that carl
isn't running in it anymore and kyle is now driving in his own equipment


  21.   10andJoe posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:24 pm
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"Can't even remember the last Nationwide regulars won three consecutive
events"

As best as I can determine, the last time this happened was in 2005 when
David Green, Reed Sorenson and Martin Truex, Jr. won the races at Pikes
Peak, Gateway, and IRP back-to-back-to-back.

As to the last time non-Cup drivers won three straight COMPANION
events...I leave finding that out to braver men than I, Gunga Din!


  22.   Kyle posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:24 pm
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if penske's smart he should pull brad out of the #22 and put bayne in
the car. the only holdup is that parker kligerman is suppossed to run 12
races in that car this year.


  23.   OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:35 pm
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I couldn't tell who was leading this race coming to the white flag. The
camera was on both Stenhouse and Danica. It's great to see Ricky do
well, though. I got to meet him back in his first year with Roush. It
was the week after he had been replaced, and I just remember thinking
about how much of a bust he was while I was talking to him. It's great
to see that I was wrong.


  24.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:37 pm
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Cup Drivers in Nationwide: 0-3! Hell Yeah!

Mark said it best, Stenhouse laid a beating on 'em in the end. Proud of
him and he is starting to grow on me. He isn't afraid to mix it up with
the big boys. Got by the legendary and heavily respected Mark Martin by
driving up and taking the air off his spoiler. I like that.

Also proud of Cole Whitt. Looked like he would finish 3rd, but faded to
6th in the last 7 laps. Still a great finish for a very young career.
Much better than his much higher profile teammate who need to stop
berating him and talk to him like a teammate and share notes. Hope this
is the start of good things to come for him.

I really liked Brendan Gaughan's post race interview. He was talking
about how he overdrove the corners on a restart and his crew chief
totally called him out on it.... and he was thankful that he did that.
None of this "I'm the driver, you just work the pit!" shit.

Finally, proud of Johanna Long. A Top 20 with a barely funded effort.
She is the one they need to focus on for female drivers of the future to
look to. She is only 19 and is earning her way up the ladder the hard
way, taking cars like the #70 and getting Top 20s from them. Of course,
as mentioned earlier, ESPN totally ignored her. I guess they wanted all
the focus on The Queen. BTW, Johanna, despite the MUCH less funded
effort is only 4 spots and 14 points behind The Queen in the standings.
Oh yeah, SHE DIDN'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO RUN AT PHOENIX!!!! GoDaddy dot com
can GoToHell dot com.


  25.   TheTruthâ?¢ posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:46 pm
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I just think it's hilarious that Brian Scott gets way less criticism
than someone like Steve Wallace, even though Brian has torn up way more
race cars in his years in racing than Steve Wallace has been for the
last few years. Steve had a horrendous 2007 and got better, but he
remained the butt of all jokes. Then you look at Brian and he's
consistently torn up cars without ever showing signs of getting better,
and very few people even care to acknowledge that. Now Steve's not in
the series, and Brian Scott's still tearing his stuff up. I don't know
why Steve Wallace is an easier target, maybe it's his last name, maybe
it's his Tourette's. However, the same way that Rusty has funded much of
Steven's career, Brian Scott wouldn't have a ride if it weren't for his
dad's wallet.

And with that being said, cjs is pretty right in talking about how he
was caught in a bad situation. But people disregard that for drivers
they dislike, and will use it as an excuse for drivers they like. The
fact of the matter is that not everybody wouldve wrecked in the
situation that Scott found himself in today. Many would, many wouldn't.
We've seen it weekly for years. Some people can get their way out of
those situations without wrecking the car, but Brian Scott is not one of
those drivers. Boils down to awareness and car control. Brian Scott has
never shown himself to be a driver with great awareness or car control.
But, he's not Steve Wallace, so the guys who would've gone off the deep
end if the 66 did that today will be in hiding.


  26.   TheTruthâ?¢ posted:
  03.10.2012 - 10:48 pm
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Also, feel free to note that Brendan Gaughan today looked like a
different driver in that 33 compared to his 2 years driving for Rusty.
Big equipment difference.


  27.   TheTruthâ?¢ posted:
  03.10.2012 - 11:01 pm
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Look for the 88 to outrun the 7 basically all year. Danica's strongest
tracks are at the biggest tracks for a number of reasons, and Cole, in
his 6th career Nationwide start, was clearly the better driver in equal
equipment and finished 6th compared to Danica's 12th. At Phoenix he was
3 laps ahead of her, but she was able to be a lead lap force in this
one. Aside from it likely being more suited to her driving style, it's
worth noting that big tracks put a bigger emphasis on the car, where
solid drivers in mediocre cars will have a harder time making up for
their lack of equipment.


  28.   cjs3872 posted:
  03.10.2012 - 11:08 pm
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On the whole sponsorship situation involving Roush, there's another
party involved that nobody else seems to be mentioning, and that's
Boston Red Sox owner John Henry. I think a major part of the problem is
the fact that the Red Sox may not want others sponsoring cars they they
co-own. Think about it. Henry got involved with Roush at about the same
time that George Gillett got involved with Ray Evernham, and we all know
what wound up happeneing there. Could we be beginning to see a similiar
thing happen to Roush as what happened to Evernham?

Remember that before John Henry and the Red Sox got involved with Roush,
Roush rarely ever had problem attracting sponsors. The only known case
of that was in 2004 with the #99 car in Cup. When Henry got invoved in
Roush's team, Roush had five fully sponsored Cup teams, three of four
healthy Nationwide teams, and two Truck Series teams. But in the four
years since Henry got involved with Roush, his Truck team went away, all
but one of his Nationwide teams, including his NNS flagship #60 car
(barring a sponsorship miracle) will have gone away, and two of his Cup
teams (one due to NASCAR's four-team limit rule), including his flagship
#6 car, have gone away, and he's still having trouble sponsoring both
Carl Edwards and Matt Kenseth in Cup.

Maybe the problem isn't Roush, but rather co-owner John Henry, owner of
the Boston Red Sox. If Roush doesn't fix something here, his
orgainzation may soon go the way of Ray Evernham's and nearly Richard
Petty's, one of which was scuttled by Gillett;s double dealing, and the
other one nearly was. Roush may not realize it, but his organization is
heading down the same path, possibly due to an owner of a franchise in
another sport, who knows nothing about the business of racing. After
all, of the 11 teams Roush had when Henry and the Red Sox bought in, as
of next week, only four will be left. I don't think the problem is
Roush. I think the problem is his partner, and he needs to cut bait, or
his team may not exist in three years.


  29.   cjs3872 posted:
  03.10.2012 - 11:19 pm
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The Truth, Jimmie Johnson found himself in a nearly identical
predicament in last year's fall Cup race at Charlotte, the night before
the tragic events at Las Vegas in the IndyCar race, as Scott found
himself in today, and did the exact same thing, overcorrecting his car,
and crashed in turn two the exact same way, head-on.

And by the way, the two drivers that impressed me today were Trevor
Bayne and Cole Whitt. Bayne brought a car that was flat-out slow up to
fourth place, was third on the final two restarts, and nearly got second
on the final one before dropping back. That car had no business being up
with the leaders, as far of the pace as it appeared to be. But Bayne,
who's driving style is beginning to remind me of Tom Sneva, somehow got
that car among the leaders and finished fourth. (Sneva was hardly a
factor early in a lot of his races when he was among the elite drivers
from the mid 70s to the mid 80s, but toward the middle stages of the
race, he became a factor, even in cars that were off the pace.)

And the same could be said about Cole Whitt, who also spent some time
during that last run in third place before dropping back. That car was
equally slow, but he drove it up to where it was among the front
runners, but you had to watch the ticker on the top of the screen to see
it, because he was never mentioned until late in the race. Ironically,
one of those drivers was out of a ride during the off-season, and the
other one is about to be out of a ride, and possibly out of two rides.


  30.   ch posted:
  03.10.2012 - 11:24 pm
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There are many teams that would jump at Trevor Bayne and offer to run a
car for him if he can get out of Roush.

Rick Ware ran 4 cars last year (even though 2 were S&P) so they could
easily expand if needed. And they have VERY loyal sponsors in Poynt,
Lilly Trucking, and FastWax / FW1. As 10andJoe said, Jeffrey Earnhardt
is driving the 15 at Bristol, but they could easily run a third car for
that one race then give the 15 to Bayne.

I'm sure Gibbs could run a car for him, especially with the 18 / 20 part
time this year. It would make more sense to combine those two into just
the 18 to make a run for an owners championship and let Bayne have the
20. Who knows, Mars could jump on to a well spoken young gun like Trevor.

Penske could be another. Brad should be going the way of Harvick and
focusing more on the cup side of things. The only problem there would be
Kligerman. But I'm sure the captain could work something out, especially
with the large difference in asking prices for sponsorship.

Turner Motorsports could expand back into a 4 car team if the
opportunity presented itself.

Now I'm throwing a long-shot out there, RAB Racing. It has been said
that Kenny will be out of the car if he can't find a sponsor. But what
if Trevor brings a sponsor?

All of these depend on Roush letting him go, but I think that may be
coming. Look at Darnell and O'Quinn. All drivers Roush ran and spoke
highly of that were let go due to sponsor problems.
If I were Trevor I'd be looking around at what my options are...


  31.   Brad24 posted:
  03.10.2012 - 11:32 pm
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0-2-1


  32.   TheTruthâ?¢ posted:
  03.10.2012 - 11:36 pm
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"The Truth, Jimmie Johnson found himself in a nearly identical
predicament in last year's fall Cup race at Charlotte"

And he had more room between him and the car above him. He had about as
much room as every other side by side battle in the race. It's just
called making a mistake, or the car being too loose to handle it. My
point isn't that people don't overcorrect or get aero-loose or anything
like that. Jimmie makes mistakes just like anybody else. Jimmie's also
NOT made that mistake a million times in identical situations. You've
watched racing for a long time and you've seen countless examples of
cars that get aero loose because of the guy directly above them. The
difference is that Brian Scott wrecks cars on a regular basis, and not
everybody would've wrecked in his position today. At every single big
track, you will see guys get pinched hard enough that you could use the
aerodynamic excuse as to why a wreck breaks out, but usually, guys
simply handle it and a wreck doesn't transpire. Brian Scott is a
mediocre race car driver and I predict that he'll never be a top 20
quality Cup driver. He was in a bad position today where it's more
likely to happen if the driver isn't a badass, but the whole "it wasn't
his fault" excuse isn't the way to go. He's just lucky his name isn't
Steve Wallace, or there'd be a million blinky jokes in the thread.
That's all my point really was.


  33.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  03.11.2012 - 12:58 am
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That is an excellent point about Brian Scott. I think the reason he
isn't piled on like Steve is that he is pretty much invisible during
telecasts until he inevitably wrecks. And when he does, there is no
"well, he is just learning" or "that was an unavoidable situation" when
it clearly was. Today was definitely an exception though. But since his
Dad isn't also a TV commentator, he gets to toil away in obscurity where
he belongs. We had to have Steve shoved down our throats.

Glad to see I'm not the only one worried about Roush Racing's future. As
far as Jack Roush, I could care less. But I do care about some of his
drivers. What about Matt Kenseth? One of the 5 best drivers of this
generation still has 15 unsold races even after winning the Daytona
Freaking 500. Trevor Bayne, a promising youngster who makes you feel
good about yourself when he succeeds and already has a Cinderella
Daytona 500 win is seeing his career stuck in neutral cause of
sponsorship. And where will extremely promising youngster Ricky
Stenhouse go to move up? If he can't even sell sponsorship for Kenseth,
how can he get any for Ricky?

Jack needs to swallow his pride and lower his asking price or change his
way of doing business. The biggest thing he has on his side right now is
Ford's undivided attention. That will change next year as The Captain
joins them with the newest breakout star, Brad Keselowski.

I'd also love to see Trevor get Brad's races in the #22. And if Dinger
doesn't win or make the playoffs this year, give him the Cup #22 for 2013.


  34.   10andJoe posted:
  03.11.2012 - 1:09 am
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ch - that's another interesting thing. Obviously, regardless of
"demanded price" vs. "worth-it price", sponsoring a Ware team is going
to be an order of magnitude less costly than a Roush team. But Rick Ware
is able to sign up sponsors to fill up his teams' inventory completely,
and keep them around...


  35.   cjs3872 posted:
  03.11.2012 - 3:13 am
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DSFF, I still think that John Henry (who owns the Red Sox) is as big a
problem as Roush is, because he knows nothing about NASCAR, but he's the
one that's the money man at Roush. That's a major reason why I think
Roush could be heading for the same thing that Evernham had happen to
him, and that Richard Petty came within an eyelash of having happen to
him. Roush's sponsorship problems didn't begin in earnest until he
partnered with another sports organization from another sport, which is
where Ray Evernham's problems really started, and where Richard Petty
was nearly forced out of the sport he's given almost 55 years to. I
think if Roush cuts ties with Henry, his sponsorship situation will get
better within six months to a year. After all, like I said, in the time
that Henry has been a co-owner of Roush's NASCAR organization, Roush has
gone from 11 teams down to four, as of next week, and it may be only
three next year unless things drastically improve. I think Henry and the
Red Sox, not Roush is the problem there at Roush.


  36.   Anonymous posted:
  03.11.2012 - 4:02 am
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Maybe sponsors are afraid to touch Trevor Bayne because they don't want
such an openly Christian person representing their product. If Bayne is
giving his usual post race interview thanking god and the lord for
giving him a good car or whatever, and your logo is plastered all over
his firesuit, it might send the wrong message about your
non-denominational company.


  37.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  03.11.2012 - 4:08 am
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Brian Scott really needs to step it up if he wants me to take him
seriously, he's been with Gibbs for what, the past year and so? He is
with a Cup team as a Nationwide regular, and is getting beat by fellow
regulars Ricky Stenhouse, Trevor Bayne and even guys that are with
Nationwide only teams like Justin Allgaier.

But Stenhouse's win in this race really impressed me considering what
Mark said in his interview: "I was trying, but man, he laid a butt
whoopin' on us". Looks like he is very well coming strong off of his
championship season. So far the Cup guys have zip, Nationwide regulars
3! I love it.

It royally sucks what is happening to Trevor Bayne though. If you ask me
it's an absolute travesty that a well-rounded driver like him who can
run up front has been having trouble with sponsorship, but I also blame
Jack Roush. That guy has sponsors coming and leaving his team like a
restaurant (my biggest suspicion is that Jack always tries to raise up
the sponsorship price, but that's just me). Look at Exide, Citgo,
Pfizer, John Deere and TVGuide. They all left Roush Racing in the matter
of several seasons. Even in recent years he has had the same happening,
losing Office Depot, IRWIN, DeWalt and UPS. Heck, Matt Kenseth just won
the Daytona 500 and is STILL unsponsored for 15 races.

Cole Whitt's off to a nice start in the #88, scoring his second top 10
finish of the season and being a solid 5th in points.


  38.   myothercarisanM535i posted:
  03.11.2012 - 4:37 am
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"Maybe sponsors are afraid to touch Trevor Bayne because they don't want
such an openly Christian person representing their product. If Bayne is
giving his usual post race interview thanking god and the lord for
giving him a good car or whatever, and your logo is plastered all over
his firesuit, it might send the wrong message about your
non-denominational company."

As a non-Christian person, I quite like and admire Trevor Bayne and have
never found his interviews to be offensive at all. His Daytona 500
interview after being involved in the early wreck was very mature,
sensible and realistic. I don't think his beliefs will do him any harm.


  39.   Spen posted:
  03.11.2012 - 5:10 am
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You may think that way, but the company would be more likely to think
about the fact that roughly one out of five people are atheists,
therefore costing them 20% of their potential custumers. The company
does have to think in demographics, not individual responses, after all.


  40.   10andJoe posted:
  03.11.2012 - 5:23 am
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^ Given that most drivers do that, and that NASCAR's fan base is
predominantly, still, more conservative than the national average, I
fail to see the problem.


  41.   myothercarisanM535i posted:
  03.11.2012 - 8:13 am
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"You may think that way, but the company would be more likely to think
about the fact that roughly one out of five people are atheists,
therefore costing them 20% of their potential custumers. The company
does have to think in demographics, not individual responses, after all."

What about the prayer before the race? As I said, I'm not a Christian
man, but the beliefs of drivers like Trevor Bayne have absolutely zero
negative influence on my opinion of them as a person or a driver. Same
goes for the prayer - despite not believing in it, I see nothing but
good intentions and positive message, so how could that possibly be a
bad thing to me?

But you're right, I'm also aware that my own views are not necessarily a
good representation of the greater whole, but I would find it to be
quite disappointing if you're right and Trevor Bayne's faith is
deterring potential sponsors.


  42.   cjs3872 posted:
  03.11.2012 - 11:15 am
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Could Trevor Bayne's problem finding sponsorship have to do with the
fact that potential sponsors may think he's a phony when it comes to
faith? Because like I've said, if Roush has to release him for lack of
sponsorship, that will be the third team that has had to do that in the
last four or five years, because DEI and MWR also had to release him for
that very reason. And something like this, the lack of being able to
find a sponsor, may be something that follows him for the rest of his
career, however long it lasts (which might not be very long), because of
the reputation he's getting for not being able to attract sponsorship.
Top-tier teams may be afraid to hire him because he can't find sponsorship.

After all, for this to happen to a driver of Trevor's apparent caliber
three times, and this time with a win in the world's most prestigous
stock car race, the Daytona 500 now on his resume, a top-tier team will
be afraid to hire him because he can't find sponsorship. Reputations
follow you, and Trevor's reputation of not being able to attract
sponsors, no matter what team he goes to, may end up deep-sixing his
career, possibly even ending it within three years, unless something
changes.


  43.   Alex posted:
  03.11.2012 - 11:41 am
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#30 Gibbs didn't even enter the 20 this weekend, so I'm not sure that
they have full funding either. Why doesn't Bayne get a FanCar or
something??


  44.   Anonymous posted:
  03.11.2012 - 1:57 pm
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I hope Trevor can race at Bristol


  45.   Taylor posted:
  03.11.2012 - 1:57 pm
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I hope Trevor can race at Bristol


  46.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  03.11.2012 - 2:21 pm
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That is a good point about John Henry. But the one thing I keep thinking
about is that Jack has always had a revolving door of sponsorship. In
the recent economy, has Jack finally run out of luck? It was ok when
sponsors were lining up to be involved in NASCAR. But now, they just
aren't there.


  47.   10andJoe posted:
  03.11.2012 - 2:21 pm
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cjs3872 - I think another issue, obviously not before when even the
master snake-oil salesman (Mikey) couldn't land a deal, but possibly
now, could be that Bayne missed races last year with Lyme disease.
Unfair as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if companies might look at that
and shy away, branding Trevor (unfairly) as 'damaged goods'.


  48.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  03.11.2012 - 8:21 pm
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It's true that Bayne had sponsor troubles at MWR as well but Mikey is
another owner who has had a number of sponsors leaving his team
(Domino's, Burger King, UPS) so it's hard to put a finger on what is the
direct cause of Bayne's lack of sponsorship.


  49.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  03.12.2012 - 3:39 pm
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RCRAndPenske, you nailed it. He has been with two organizations (MWR and
RFR) that can't keep sponsors unless Mikey is there himself to
constantly whore himself out for them, plus a 3rd that was falling apart
at the seams (DEI). Put Trevor with HMS or JGR and they will have a full
sponsorship package for him in no time.


  50.   Rusty posted:
  03.12.2012 - 5:20 pm
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Bristol entry list is out:
-Dale Earnhardt, Jr. entered in the #5.
-Joey Logano in the #18
-Ryan Truex in the #20
-No Trevor Bayne


  51.   Kyle posted:
  03.12.2012 - 6:25 pm
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this isn't really the place to be talking about the bristol race, is it?


  52.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  03.12.2012 - 11:34 pm
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Kyle is right, this isn't the place to talk about how they took a track
in Bristol that the fans almost unanimously looked forward to watching
races at and turned it into a half mile Michigan, sucking the excitement
and life right out of it.


  53.   10andJoe posted:
  03.13.2012 - 6:48 pm
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Bayne has been added to the Bristol entry list.

Also: since we now have a seperate owner listing for Robinson-Blakeney
Racing vis-a-vis Jay Robinson, the NNS 28's 2012 starts need to be moved
to RBR.


  54.   Talon64 posted:
  03.13.2012 - 7:35 pm
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Ricky Stenhouse Jr. earns his 3rd career Nationwide Series victory. It's
also his first at a track other than Iowa, which he swept in 2011. It's
his 38th top 10 in 76 NNS starts, giving him a career top 10 finishing %
of 50% (10 top 10's in his first 39 starts). It's his 1st top 5 and 2nd
top 10 in 3 Las Vegas starts.

Mark Martin's 44 laps led are his most in an NNS race since he led 81
laps in his 2008 Las Vegas win. It's just his 24th career runner-up
finish, versus 49 wins. In 7 Vegas starts Mark has 4 wins, 6 top 5's, 7
top 10's and a 2.0 avg fin.

Elliott Sadler finished in the top 3 for a 3rd consecutive race to start
2012; his best finish in all of 2011 was 3rd three times. He's also led
in every race for a total of 60 laps (181 laps led in 2011). It's his
first top 5 in 6 Las Vegas starts.

Trevor Bayne picked up his first top 5 of 2012 in 4th. Bayne has
finishes of 6th, 5th and 4th in 3 Las Vegas starts in NNS.

Brendan Gaughan picked up just his 7th career top 5 in 72 NNS starts,
and first since a 3rd place finish at Road America in 2010.

Cole Whitt was the highest finishing rookie in 6th, his 2nd top 10 in
the first 3 races of 2012. He finished 8th in his only prior Las Vegas
start, in the Truck Series last season.

Austin Dillon makes it 2 rookies in the top 10 in 7th, his 3rd straight
top 10 to start 2012 and 7th in his last 8 starts dating back to 2011.

Justin Allgaier gets his first top 10 of 2012 in 8th. It's also his 50th
career top 10 (111 starts), and has finished 8th or better in all 4 of
his Las Vegas starts (6.2 avg fin, 2nd in 2011).

After no top 10's in his first 23 NNS starts (26.8 avg fin), Sam Hornish
Jr. has 8 top 10's in his last 13 (10.8 avg fin).

Kasey Kahne gets his 2nd top 10 in 3 NNS starts this season. Despite
regularly running up front and having a 5.7 avg start, he has just a
12.3 avg fin.

Johanna Long improved on her 21st place finish from her NNS debut at
Daytona, finishing 19th.


  55.   Ivan Balakhonov posted:
  03.16.2012 - 6:08 am
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Post #1
10andJoe posted:
03.10.12 - 8:19 pm

Last time non-Cup drivers won the first three Busch Series events: 2001
(LaJoie, T. Bodine).

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Well, T. Bodine ran full-season in Winston Cup that year. I should make
correction: NEVER buschwhackers lost three first races of the season in
Nationwide.


  56.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  03.17.2012 - 3:55 pm
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"this isn't really the place to be talking about the bristol race, is it?"

Not really, we'll have the entire week to debate about this in the
coming week in both the Cup and NWide pages. In my opinion, it didn't
ruin the racing even if it did change the unique style of racing there.


  57.   10andJoe posted:
  03.17.2012 - 5:35 pm
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#31 sponsor: Brandt / Monterey


  58.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  03.02.2014 - 1:44 pm
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Mark Martin last start in the nationwide series


  59.   RaceFanX posted:
  05.26.2018 - 9:48 pm
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This was Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.'s first win that wasn't in a standalone
race. He bested a few Cup guys for this one.


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