|| *Comments on the 2012 5-Hour Energy 200:* View the most recent comment <#73> | Post a comment <#post> 1. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Purely heartbreaking. Great run for Jeremy Clements, though. He caught the caution for the Hornish-Hill wreck at /exactly/ the right time. 2. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Should probably be added to the results: 43 / 0 / 70 / Tony Raines / Black Cat Fireworks (Mary Louise Miller) / Chevrolet / 0 / 0/ Withdrew / 0 / 0 3. Darrell posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Who did Logano wreck? Also, what was his post-race interview about? I heard it was kind of arrogant 4. Anonymous posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "f**k these f**king cup guys f**king the lower series guys. f**k them up the f**king asshole with a rusty f**king chainsaw until they f**king bleed to f**king death. Another worthless piece of shit race I'm glad I f**king missed. " hahahahaha, look at this guy getting so upset over a stupid sport that means nothing 5. the Great Dave posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fin 43 St 42 # 70 Driver Tony Raines Sponsor / Owner Black Cat Fireworks / Mary Louise Miller Car Chevy Laps 0 Money Status Did Not Start Led 0 Points 0 Sponsors #3 American Ethonal / New Holland Agriculture #18 Dollar General / Scott / STP 6. RaceFanX posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lagano got into the lapped car of Tim Bainey Jr and the contact sent the #24 Toyota into the outside wall on the backstretch. Lagano pitted after the wreck and rallied through to field to take the lead from Truex, whose tires wore out. 7. Dave#38fan posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) first of all, why was logano not black flagged for being well ahead of truex at the green flag on lap 1? second, why was he not black flagged for dumping tim bainey jr? third, why was gibbs not on his radio screaming "what are you doing joey, pull over and let ryan back by"!? kinda funny when sam wrecked princess slowdaddy. too bad brad sweet got caught up in it. i wish sam had waited until kahne was back in the #38, as long as kahne doesn't get hurt (obviously) i would LOVE to see him taken out of a nationwide race he shouldn't be running early. on the other hand, joey will be a title threat next year when he's in nationwide full-time. unlike other cup $#@%$#bags that run nns races like brad, kevin, denny, kyle, and kurt, he is not able to translate nationwide success into cup success. my theory as to why: he's what they used to call "busch-league talent." he's as good in cup now (15th-20th place) as he ever will be. 8. Daniel posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #4, He wrecked Tim Bainey Jr., making his debut in the #24. He basically whined about lapped cars not giving the leaders enough room, even though Bainey gave him enough. This race really ticked me off. Logano whining about Bainey, Clements getting no air time even though he had a top 10, Kurt Busch whining about Allgaier, and Truex going after the lapped cars (the main reason this ticked me off is that it was fairly obvious that something had happened to the #23 and the #4 had to go low to avoid running over him. Truex just caught them at the wrong time) 9. JP88 posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm beginning to lose respect for Logano...he's been tearing up 2 many cars and is starting to adopt an ego similar to Denny and Kyle...guess its from hanging out with them. 10. Schroeder51 posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Obviously Kyle and Denny have been mentoring Joey, it seems... I have to agree with Dave#38fan...Joey probably IS a "Busch-league" talent. He's been driving for four years on the Cup circuit now and still his results have not really improved...and he's driving for a top level team to boot. When you drive for a top level team for that long a period of time and don't get results, it can't ALL be the equipment. It has to have something with the driver. The Nationwide series probably IS the best place for him. He might be better off driving the #11 car instead of Brian Scott... And I've just realized even after a good few years have passed, I STILL want to call this series the "Busch Series". Is that bad? I guess I must have been so used to it being called that when I was growing up that calling it something else doesn't seem right to me. I still sometimes call the Sprint Cup the "Winston Cup"... 11. Anonymous posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rare top ten for regular Jeremy Clements, Michael Annett's third 11th this year 12. Cup guys lower series = shit posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) f**k these f**king cup guys f**king the lower series guys. f**k them up the f**king asshole with a rusty f**king chainsaw until they f**king bleed to f**king death. Another worthless piece of shit race I'm glad I f**king missed. 13. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^ You apparently already got your post deleted once. Maybe that should have given you a hint? Your use of c*****ed profanity is neither clever, funny, or appropriate. Anyway; >to take the lead from Truex, whose tires wore out. Who got boxed in by a pair of lapped cars, you mean. If anybody had a right to complain about lapped cars, it was Truex. >why was logano not black flagged for being well ahead of truex at the green flag on lap 1? Er...I didn't notice any appreciable ahead-ness at the line? >second, why was he not black flagged for dumping tim bainey jr? Because, while rough driving, That's Racin'? (Yeah, he shouldn't have done it, but it wasn't black-flag worthy. >third, why was gibbs not on his radio screaming "what are you doing joey, pull over and let ryan back by"!? ...OK, now I know you're either being sarcastic or trolling. Or maybe you should go watch "Team Orderula One". 14. murb posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You know, normally when Logano wins an NNS race, I'm pissed off. To say that I don't care for him would be an understatement. But I'm not pissed off today, because two things hit me after he won. 1. It's only an NNS race. Tomorrow in the Cup race (you know, the race that matters), it's probably more than a 50% chance he will be a non-factor. Everyone looks at him as if he's one of the elite rising stars in Cup. At one point (final 10 races of 2010 when he was rattling off top fives left and right), he was an elite rising star. But now, he's completely fizzled out. He still looks like a rookie out there, and this is his fourth season. This leads to the second thing that occurred to me today. 2. Surely, he'll be out of the 20 car next year, right? I mean, IT'S HIS FOURTH SEASON!!!! Joe Gibbs has to be angry that the Home Depot car, which was at one point debatably his flagship car, is running 23rd-25th every week, right? So like I said, normally I'd be pissed off after one of Joey's lame NNS wins. But today, I really don't care. So enjoy it tonight Joey, because most likely you'll be running 23rd-25th tomorrow, and it's getting increasingly likely that you won't be in the 20 car next year. Also, great job by Ryan Truex. 10 days after an appendectomy, and he runs like that. Hopefully Joe and J.D. will have some common sense this offseason and put Ryan in Brian Scott's 11 car next year, along with Darrell Wallace Jr. in the 18/20 car full time. That would be really cool... Okay, off my soap box now... 15. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well Joey, do you feel like a big man? Does dominating watered down lower Series with your Cup team make up for the inadequacies you have to be feeling as a result of your glaring failures in Cup despite being hailed as Sliced Bread? Does running over a lapped car make you feel like you are above people who don't have rich fathers that handed them everything on a silver spoon? Kurt Busch, do you feel superior for your NWide runs? Does scuffling with Justin Allgaier make you forget that you have been shitcanned from two really good rides? Does it make you forget you have wrecked 14 of James Finch's cars? Does it make you forget you lost your rivalry to JJ badly? Do you feel important again? 16. Anonymous posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Green gets another top twenty. 17. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) It does scream "I am a hateful self-centered POS" when you deliberately wreck people to win a kiddy league race and you are supposed to be at the top. This is where IndyCar and the FIA have it all on NASCAR. Once you are in F1, you are banned from running any lower tier series, same in IndyCar (except for one-offs for Indy Lights drivers running the 500). How much do you love yourself, even with the better car and faster, to cost someone who is trying to learn their first win. We saw this with James Buescher at NHIS a couple years ago. Bogus yellow and NASCAR letting Shrub jump the start (or so I have heard) to cost Buescher the win. This is especially annoying since Logano is a grade-A hack who should be at this level permanently. He is like the second coming of Randy Lajoie minus the weed. 18. cjs3872 posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's now official. These start-and-parks are getting out of hand he Nationwide Series. There were nine of them, ten if you include Tony Raines, who didn't even take the green flag, and this was in a companion race. And Tim Andrews would probably have parked his car if he didn't crash first. Again the problem is trhat car owners are putting thre start-and-parks in a race, which magnify the number. Of the nine cars that S&P'd that took the green flag, all but one belonged to just three car owners. If teams are going to do this, NASCAR needs to limit it to one car per team. Doing multiple start-and-parks in the same race is ridiculous and has to be stopped, and the only way to do it is to eliminate the exemption rule for those that do start-and-parks. Now the teams that do it in the Cup series do it with only one car, and I have no real problem with that, because some of them are just trying to gain money to keep going, either in the Cup series, or as Joe Nemechek does, S&P to fund his Nationwide Series program, which I don't think NASCAR should allow, but they can't stop it either. And also, because 35 cars are locked in a Cup series race, only eight cars have to qualify, though almost all of those that are not locked in that tried to qualify, are start-and-parks, especially at a place like Dover, where crashing is a higher probability than at most other places. Now I mentioned this in the Cup comments page, since this comments page had not yet been put up by the time I wrote the comment, I'll write it here. What a difference two weeks makes in the Nationwide Series championship battle. 12 days ago, it looked like Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. was going to run away with the title for the second straight year, building up nearly a full race lead on Richard Childress Racing drivers Elliott Sadler and Austin Dillon. But after a broken drive shaft at Charlotte last week and a crash today, Stenhouse has lost the lead in the points to Sadler (by 12), and Austin Dillon, using the Terry Labonte philosophy of winning championships, is just two points behind Stenhouse. And even worse, it was mentioned on the broadcast that Stenhouse seems down in the dumps. If that continues, things are only going to get worse. I just hope Stenhouse isn't looking past this season and into a possible stint in the #6 Cup car in 2013, should sponsorship come 19. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) murb, for a few years (particularly 2000-2008, ironically) the 20 was a symbol of NASCAR because Tony is considered to drive old school. It is far worse that a car that symbolized the sport now only gets covered when it wrecks or gets lapped. 20. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) cjs, NASCAR needs to adopt the Le Mans rule. 70% or you are considered to have never even shown up. No money. No points. No press. 21. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, while I agree that the numbers of S&Ps is unfortunate, I don't see the need to "punish" them. It's a 43 car field, and 43 cars showed up; there would have been a short field otherwise. None of the S&P cars hurt anybody else in the race (Andrews' blown tire was all on his lonesome), and they were all out of the race after the first 15 laps, leaving 34-35 cars (depending on if the 08 would have run the full race) to compete for the win - essentially shortening the field, which is something we've all said should probably be done. What should be done is two-fold: 1. Shorten the NNS field to 36 cars. This both removes the need to have teams like Curtis Key's stick three of what are essentially 'roll the backup car off the trailer' entries into the field to fill it, and 2. keeps the Well Meaning, But Terminally Slow (I'm looking at you, JJC) from sneaking into the field simply because there's more slots than there are competitive cars. 2a. Eliminate the top 30 exemption, or 2b. at least eliminate the terminally /stupid/ rule that says teams that don't run every race in NNS /lose/ their exemption. That doesn't happen in either Cup or Trucks, and while I /think/ I know why it exists in NNS - as an anti-Buschwhacking method - it has failed in that role, and produces situations like we have with the 70 team this year, where other teams S&P cars labled "70" in the races Long isn't running so that the "real" 70 doesn't lose its exemption. (As an aside, I'm curious if the 70 will keep it after Raines had to withdraw-after-qualifying this week.) That said, though, I don't think there should be /penalties/ for "multiple S&Ps", as that's treating the symptom (field filling) and not the disease (oversized fields). 22. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRF - The trouble with "70% completed or zilch" is that it penalises teams that have legitimate problems, i.e. the 6 car in this event. Should Stenhouse have gotten goose-eggs in points and prize money? As for your earlier comment: I've suggested this before, and I continue to believe that it's the cure for 'Whacking. "Any driver who is currently in the top 35 of Sprint Cup Series owner points is forbidden from competing in other NASCAR National Touring Series events that take place on the same weekend (defined as the period Wednesday-Tuesday) at the same track as a Sprint Cup Series event in which that driver is entered, UNLESS the Sprint Cup Series driver is (a) qualifying a car for another driver to compete in the race, or (b) replacing an injured driver following that driver's qualification for the event." This would solve the problem of Bushwhacking at a stroke, still allow drivers to compete /legitimately for fun/ in non-NTS(Nationwide, Truck) events - such as Ryan Newman's running the Modified races at NHIS, for instance - and would /also/ allow for the Cup series drivers to compete during "off weekends" in the lower series - the old "come and see your heroes" argument, which is only - but truly - legitimate for tracks such as Iowa and Rockingham, which (a) don't have a Cup race and (b) probably /do/ put more butts in the seats because guys like Kurt Busch at Iowa and Kasey Kahne at Rockingham are in the field. But hey, it's an idea that actually makes sense, that's enough for Brian France to burn before reading... 23. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) - Superb run for Ty Dillon in his NNS debut. Yeah, he has Childress equipment, but this kid is the real deal. - Best career finish tied for Jeremy Clements, and set for Ryan Truex, Jamie Dick and Josh Richards. - John Wes Townley had a quiet race, aside from nearly getting taken out by Danica. Alas his "John Wrecks Weekly" reputation, amplified by his off-track misjudgements, likely won't go away anytime soon. - First career start for Tim Bainey Jr. (two prior DNQs). 24. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and Brian Scott also tied his career best finish. 25. Rusty posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sucks for Truex, he was losing a ton of ground late, but I'd like to see the finish without the lap traffic ruining it. As for the Busch/Allgaier deal, I don't see why Kurt is the "whiner" here. Allgaier is the one who got out of his car and approached Kurt over a bump early in the race. I admit to being a Kurt Busch fan, but I tend to acknowledge his dumb decisions over the years, but he really did nothing wrong. Allgaier went to him complaining over minor contact early in the race. There was no major confrontation anyways, just two drivers having a minor disagreement. Logano was being way more of a dick by wrecking a low budget car and then claiming he wasn't being shown enough respect. I had to agree with Rusty's take on that whole situation, he had a solid lead, had the best car, with plenty of time left, he should've just been more patient and not wreck the guy. It also could've ruined his day because that 24 car NEARLY took came back down and took out Joey. 26. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Even my Dad was pissed off by the way this race went. Know this about my Dad: he never gets worked up over sports unless it involves Clemson football (he grew up in nearby Anderson, SC) or the Atlanta Braves. And even he went off on Logano bullying no budget drivers and having to dominate the lower Series to make up for the permanent stinkbomb he is in Cup. Dad: "Logano can win when he has superior cars, but when the cars are equal he can't do shit." Well said. And as I mentioned on the Cup page, kudos to Rusty for finally doing his job as a broadcast journalist and calling Logano out. That was by far the brightest moment of his broadcasting career. For one solid minute, he spouted no cliches, no "that's for sure", no "these babies are flat flying", no "hotrods", he took an entire minute to explain why Joey's actions were really wrong and what they meant to everyone involved. For once he actually sounded like the deserving Hall of Fame driver that he is, the guy who threw a water bottle upside Dale Earnhardt's head after a race letting him know he wasn't going to put up with shit. 27. petty43 posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) at nicorosberg then why did savedra run indy lights today. i would love to know why a indy guy was out in that race, thought he was a regular, whatever i am probably just being lazy and not looking it up. 28. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Saavedera isn't an Indy regular. He had an Indy-only ride this year. 29. cjs3872 posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) No NicoRosbergFan, the 70% thing a bad idea because, while that would eliminate the start-and-parks, it would unfairly penalize drivers and teams that fall out of races early with a legitimate problem, such as the crash at the start of the second lap in this year's Daytona 500. It would also create a possibility that temmates might takes other teammates out to try to prevent them from going 70% of the race. Your idea is a terrible one. And 10andJoe, that rule which says that, in order to keep it's exemption, a team must at least attempt all the races actually does exist in the Truck Series, but since only the top 25 in owner points are exepmted, and there are occasionaly short fields (like this week when only 35 trucks showed up), it hardly would seem to matter, except in the rare case of a mechanical problem or crash in qualifying. The reason I think that NASCAR needs to do away with the exemption rule, is that it's preventing potential new competitve teams from entering the sport, and also preventing existing teams from expanding without a guaranteed starting spot, especially for the Daytona 500. Add that to the rash of mergers a few years ago that greatly reduced the number of competitve cars and teams in the Cup series (probably by about 8-12), and to a lesser extent, the lower series, as well, that's why you have so many start-and-parks. 30. petty43 posted: 06.02.2012 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) thanks 10 and joes im outta here still too many around this place. 31. gary24fan posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To post #10 Schroeder51: No it's not bad. I still find myself calling the top tier "Winston Cup" from time to time. Old habits die hard. Gary 32. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Oh, CJS, Bliss didn't start and park. He had a legit problem. So that's only eight-nine S&Ps. But still. 33. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Disregard the above. I was mis-counting. 9-10 is correct. 34. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Per my earlier comment about the need to shorten the fields, if we had had a 36-car starting field, with the fastest 32 on time plus four provisionals (and yes, points would be different because of that but it's the best we can do), the "back of the field" would have looked like this: Slowest car qualifying: T.J. Bell (32nd). Provisionals: Brad Teague, Tim Bainey Jr., Tony Raines, Jamie Dick (the only four top 30 teams who waren't in the top 32, as it happens) If Raines' spot was re-filled after his withdrawl, 'first alternate' would have been Joey Gase in the 52. So, just by cutting the field to 36 cars from 43, the number of S&P cars would be cut to only three or four: Lepage, Speed and Wise, and possibly Raines. Unfortunatly two 'full race' cars, Shepherd and Gase, would have been cut, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. 35. Rusty posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is worth noting that Ty Dillon has finished in the top 10 in all of his NASCAR starts this season. Nationwide and truck. He only got to make his debut in this race because Brendan Gaughan had an offroad committment and Kevin Harvick didn't want to run triple duty. For a guy who is getting a great shot with a legt team while his NASCAR career is on the fence, you'd think Gaughan wouldn't let an "offroad committment" get in the way of one of his handful of opportunities to impress. 36. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Rusty: Gaughan doesn't /want/ another full-time NASCAR ride, except maybe in Trucks. IIRC his taste of Cup convinced him that it was simply too stressful for him. 37. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yes, but the FIA and ACO take the approach of "Well, if you were running 30th and got wrecked, or your car broke town, it is your and your team's fault for getting in that spot." They would say that if the team and driver had worked harder and made better decisions, there would have been no wreck at Daytona. Also, if teammates are taking teammates out, then a truly credible sports body would suspend the operation and all affiliated employees and (and wives) if necessary to keep them off the track. I personally prefer to shorten the fields. Perhaps doing something as simple as "No money for DNFs" would work because it would force them on track. To keep them from doing 2 laps, parking, and coming out with 2 to go you use the 70% rule, but drivers still get points regardless of finish. Go ahead and eat me cjs. The only positive thing you have said to anyone lately is your agreement with my Gordo conspiracy theory. 38. Rob posted: 06.02.2012 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ryan Truex tried to thread the needle with lapped traffic while leading with 5 to go. Dumb move....... ha ha 39. dUDE gUY posted: 06.02.2012 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I am quite happy that I missed this race. 40. murb posted: 06.02.2012 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, I don't know if any of you guys just saw Speed Center, but they had a clip of Kurt getting into another verbal argument with a media member. This time it was Bob Pockrass. Basically, Kurt said something along the lines of "You know Bob, probation also keeps me from beating the shit out of you." And then they got into an argument over what's racing and what's not. I don't understand it at all. It's like he wants to get suspended or something. He's made Kyle look like an angel this year!!! 41. loomer posted: 06.02.2012 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allgaier was the one whining about Kurt getting him loose early in the race. Kurt has major issues, but let's be fair. 42. myothercarisanM535i posted: 06.02.2012 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRF, I do like the system you're suggesting, but it can't be directly transferred over to NASCAR. The reason being prize-money. The championships that use this system (FIA, Indycar, V8's, etc) don't issue out prize money in the same way NASCAR does, so in that case, it is possible to deem a car as a non-finisher and give them zero points for the event. Sorry guys, but there really isn't anything that can be fairly done to change the NASCAR Start and Park situation without completely overhauling the way everything works. Because NASCAR is not a franchise series, the teams are not bound by contractual obligations, meaning that it's perfectly acceptable for them to start and park. This is the downside to running a series this way. However, the upside is that it allows teams and drivers to run one-off races or pick certain races in the schedule to run, rather than being required to run the entire season or nothing at all. So there is essentially no way for NASCAR to "ban" start and parks without a negative consequence in another area. However, I do believe they could reduce the number of cars parking by increasing their incentive to complete a full race - by massively reducing the running costs of the series. If the races could be completed for half the cost, then teams will find it easier to secure funding to run the entire schedule. The chances of finding sponsorship would be much higher, as sponsoring a race car would not be as expensive as it currently is. But of course, I can't see this happening anytime soon. NASCAR is far too stubborn and proud to realize when what they've got isn't working, they're rooted too far in tradition to make wholesale changes to the way they work, even when those changes would be beneficial to series. Unfortunately, I almost think NASCAR has become TOO successful, too successful for their own good, which means that the chances of them changing the formula become slimmer and slimmer as we go along. 43. irony posted: 06.02.2012 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Logano is still in NW and DiBenedetto starts and parks. Truex had better watch out. Gibbs signs every young driver he can and doesn't develop them. Matty D is a beast and he's now ride-less/parking. Same for my other local favorite, Stephen Leicht. All so guys like the Ryan Leaf of NASCAR can win a NW race, and while if Stephen had been developed by RCR, he would of gotten the same treatment Bowyer did -- ousted to make room for fat Richard's two redneck grandsons. 44. 10andJoe posted: 06.02.2012 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And those 'two redneck grandsons' are proving to be quite the competive, to use your term, beasts. If you're going to trash-talk somebody, have the facts before you make yourself look silly. 45. irony posted: 06.02.2012 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I have those facts and will make myself look silly as I please. Not wearing a cowboy hat in Dover, Delaware silly mind you. 46. cjs3872 posted: 06.02.2012 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, there's a problem with your "no DNFs" idea as well, and that was evidence in the Indianapolis 500 last weekend when a driver going for the lead on the final lap, spun and crashed, and as a result, failed to finish. And let's not forget that the 1976 Daytona 500 (Richard Petty) and 1989 Indianapolis 500 (Al Unser, Jr.) both had second place finishers that failed to copmplete the race, and the 1980 Daytona 500 (Neil Bonnett) had a third place finisher that technically failed to finish, so there are holes in that theory, as well. My biggest problem with the start-and-parks in the Nationwide Series has to do with the fact that some car owners are starting four cars and parking three. I have no problem with the practice itself. It's been going on in some form since at least as far back as the early-to-mid 60s. My problem is the teams that are S&P'ing multiple cars in a race. And sorry for the error about Bliss, 10andJoe. It seemed strange that he would run so few laps and have a S&P reason for being out of the race, since he does run the fullraces. My mistake. And as for Kurt Busch, remember what Ryan Newman said about him after Darlington. He used the words "chemical imbalance" in one of his statements. I don't know about any of you, but to me, chemical imbalance suggests a drug problem. In other words, with most of the nation not realizing it, I believe Ryan Newman, in code, actually accused Kurt Busch of racing while intoxicated. And they were teammates for three years. Could it be that Kurt Busch is, or has been using narcotics while he's racing? Could Roger Penske have suspected drug use as a reason for Kurt's tirades against just about everyone else, including those in Penske's own organization? Might that be why Penske got rid of him? I other words, Penske may have known something that nobody else knew about regarding the 2004 NASCAR champion. I have a feeling that we may one day in the near future find out the answers to these questions about Kurt Busch and his explosive behavior, and drugs could be a culprit, but I hope not. If it is, NASCAR's got a real problem on their hands that could make the Jeremy Mayfield situation look like a school party. 47. irony posted: 06.02.2012 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt has hit everything but the pace car this year. He even hit the wall today but recovered. It's a shame because he really is running well for a smaller team on the Cup side, but he's also trashing their cars. James Finch is not one of my favorite owners but still, a small team getting a top tier driver in their car is exciting to see. As for drugs, I doubt it. He just seems really frustrated on and off the track. 48. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.02.2012 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think the "chemical imbalance" Newman spoke of is the condition where certain chemicals in your brain (usually seratonin) are not in proper proportion which can lead to erratic behavior. While this is a serious condition that ruins lives, unfortunately for every person who is truly affected, there are 50 people who are just idiots, @$$holes, or both who claim to have some sort of imbalance (usually bi polar) that they don't really have. I don't think Newman suspects drug use, I think he just thinks Kurt is a psychotic individual. To which I say to Newman "Duh!". He has a way of stating the obvious and making it seem like he has discovered cold fusion. So you have to take what Newman says with an entire shaker of salt. I've always said his personality reminds me a lot of Geoff Bodine's. They both think they are a lot smarter than they really are. For some reason the S&P cars never have bothered me. If NASCAR is just gonna let them steal money from them, then good for those teams. 49. 12345Dude posted: 06.03.2012 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man my heart was racing at the end of that race. Great great battle. I was the first one the biggest hater on cup drivers driving in this series. I ranted like no one else. These guys where running full time seasons competing for a development title. Drivers like Jason Leffler and Mike Bliss couldn't even sniff wins when they should be competing for a championship. They were costing future drivers spots and careers for no reason. But no this is over. DRSRFanForever you are one of the few people on this site whos comments I read every week and say to myself "wow your smarter then 90% of the "experts" that get payed to do this. (and this is to some other guys on here) But some times cup guys win these races. I remember you said you where disappointing when you saw Kasey Kahne win the truck race. He races one truck race a year.Yeah Kevin Harvick dominates the truck series and it sometimes looks stupid. But he's a cup driver. A championship contender, he should. Cup guys in these races give these young drivers a taste against cup drivers. (0-2 in trucks 3-8 in nationwide) It gives them a taste, and helps them face a few on a weekend. It also makes the races more meaningful, especially if a young a up and comer can beat a fellow cup star. Cup drivers in these races are good for the sport and the young drivers. (not from 05-11 is was ridiculous and stupid) Sometimes 4 will fight for the win (Charlotte) with the top nw regular 5th. But I trully believe it's good for the leagues attendance wise, and for the young drivers future. As long at is doesn't get out of hand (15 nationwide, 10 truck races for drivers is good). Also there is no way Kurt Busch is getting another cup ride. He just kissed any chance he had goodbye. No one I think wants to take a chance with him. I feel kind of bad for him. He's always mad or angry and someone. 50. Rusty posted: 06.03.2012 - 1:26 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kurt on drugs? Come on, that is absurd. Kurt gets angry too often, that is his problem, not drug use. I'm still not suprised that Kurt is getting all the fan heat when Allgaier was the one who came whining to him after the race over minor contact early in the race. Kurt has made his fair share of mistakes, but he did nothing wrong here. Allgaier was butthurt over some contact, and raced him like a moron all day. I remember at point during a restart Kurt tried making the pass on Allgaier for 2nd and Justin came down on him on the backstretch causing Kurt to drive close down to the apron to avoid him. 51. 10andJoe posted: 06.03.2012 - 1:45 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) ...huh. I just realised something. What happened to Wayne Day's team? (Not that I particularly mind their vanishing, since I've rather despised the Days since the snow job they pulled on Deborah Renshaw at Nashville Fairgrounds way back when, but I'm curious.) 52. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.03.2012 - 4:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, that is where the 70% rule would work. Richard Petty would be getting points as he ran 99.5% of the race, and Neil Bonnett ran 99% of the race. That is how it works. A few years ago Lewis Hamilton wrecked on the last lap of the Italian Grand Prix, but since he had run the required distance, he still got given a finishing position instead of a ret. 53. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.03.2012 - 4:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, that is where the 70% rule would work. Richard Petty would be getting points as he ran 99.5% of the race, and Neil Bonnett ran 99% of the race. That is how it works. A few years ago Lewis Hamilton wrecked on the last lap of the Italian Grand Prix, but since he had run the required distance, he still got given a finishing position instead of a ret. 54. Anonymous posted: 06.03.2012 - 7:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Bob Pockrass deserves anything he ends up with, if Kurt had run him over he deserved it. He is not a journalist, just a sensationalist who writes articles that can draw web hits. The last real fact he had in an article was his name. He is a hack and we all know it. 55. palo_s posted: 06.03.2012 - 9:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish is a moron.. 56. cjs3872 posted: 06.03.2012 - 9:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) But NicoRosbergFan, everyone actually gets a finishing position in NASCAR, even if they only run one lap. The only way they don't would be if they don't start the race. And in the Indianapolis 500, all you have to do is qualify for the race to be credited with even a finishing position. just look at some of the results of the races in which drivers were eliminated before the race even started. For instance, in 1982, only 29 cars took the green flag because four were eliminated before the race started, including one from each of the first two rows. And five cars did not start the Indianapolis 500 in 1997. But the Indianapolis 500 is the only race I know of were just qualifying gives you an automatic finishing position. Just look at the results of this race, because 43 cars actually qualified, but one did not start, and is excluded from the results accordingly. And for those that are insinuating that I think Kurt Busch is on drugs, I never said that. What I said is that Ryan Newman said there is a chemical imbalance in Kurt Busch, and to me, that could very easily be code for the potential of him being on narcotics. Bi-polar disorder is another possibility. But also remember that NASCAR probably has the worst drug testing policy in all major professional sports, and it should have the toughest, especially where the drivers are concerned, since they're running in close quarters at more than three miles a minute at most tracks. And where is NASCAR in all this? Aside from a fine given to Kurt after last season's finale, they have not taken one piece of action. They should be trying to at least figure out what the problem is, and try to help him in any feasible way possible, but they're not even doing that. I know if I was one of those in charge, I'd make it a point to make sure that he, or anyone else in this position gets help, but NASCAR's got their collective heads in the sand on this issue. 57. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.03.2012 - 9:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, don't overreact. I was just giving historical background on the 70% rule. 58. Dave#38fan posted: 06.03.2012 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @10andJoe i'm not sure what happened to wayne day's nns team, they ran a couple of races last year with willie allen and david starr and haven't been heard from since. i belive their last start to date was bristol last fall with david starr (starr ran all 3 races that weekend with AdvoCare sponsorship as a special promotion or something.) 59. Daniel posted: 06.03.2012 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #51, I guess they went the way of PPC, Fitz, Baker/Curb, Team Rensi etc..... 60. CBASS posted: 06.03.2012 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some sponsor updates: #43 Flying J/ Pilot (Flying J was on the hood this week, while Pilot resided on the quarter panels) #88 Clean Coal- America's Power #14 Reynolds Wrap/ Hefty (the sponsors are flipped here; this is the 3rd race of them running a special blue scheme with Reynolds on the hood and Hefty on the quarter panels. They should be running this scheme until Daytona) #50 Liberty Tire Recycling/ BasketPong (new sponsor on the quarter panels, and it's beer pong related lol) #89 Racing With Jesus/ MorganSheperd.com the #70 team withdrew prior to the start due to Raines' crash in practice 61. 1995z71 posted: 06.03.2012 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Bigger problem with NNS is the Cup guys getting the sponsors thus causing the non-Cup teams to be C Grade equipment or force to S&P. NASCAR SHOULD BAN CUP GUYS RUNNING THE LOWER SERIES. 62. cjs3872 posted: 06.03.2012 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wasn't overreacting, or at least I didn't think I was. And by the way, you're mentioning the 70% rule reminds me that NASCAR actually did use a points system based on laps completed once. It was back in 1973, and the points were basically tied to laps completed with a 25 point bonus for winning, if I remember the story right. As a result, Cale Yarborough and Richard Petty, who were two of the dominant drivers that year, found themselves battling with Benny Parsons for the title, and even James Hylton and Since David Pearson won 10 times in 17 starts leading up to the season finale at Rockingham, and drivers such as Mark Donohue, Buddy Baker, and Dick Brooks won and either drove a part-time schedule, or for non-competitve teams, and Bobby Allison missed two races due to running the Indianapolis 500 that year and won twice, that meant those drivers took away 14 wins from Yarborough and Petty in their battle for the championship. Parsons entered that race with a sizeable points lead, but was involved in a crash on the 13th lap, putting his title hopes in jeopardy. Since points were tied to laps completed, and that race was held at a track that had a 492-lap race, that meant he could have lost 400 or more points had he not returned to the race. His crew got the car back in the race, and Petty's hopes of catching Parsons in the points were dashed when he fell out just past the one-quarter mark in that event. As had been the case all year, Pearson won the event, and Parsons ran another 295 laps, which made the difference as he outpointed Cale Yarborough for the championship. Yarborough finished third in that race behind Pearson and Buddy Baker. NASCAR knew that awarding point based on laps completed was a bad idea, so they scrapped it after 1973, though the point system they used in 1974 was even more ridiculous, leading to the "Latford system", which was introduced in 1975, which tied points strictly to the finsihing position with bonus points for leading a race and leading the most laps in a race. So NicoRosbergFan, NASCAR actually tried a point system based on something simliar to your idea, and it didn't work. Plus rewarding points based on percentage of a race completed would cause major mathematical problems, especially given the possibility of up to three GWC attempts, which could add, depending on the race, series, track, and diswtance of the event, up to 10% extra to the original distace, or more. On a short track, where up to 500 laps could be run in a Cup race, it could be a minimal percentage added to the end of a race, but on a road course, as was the case in the Nationwide event at Road America last year, it could add 10-15% of the race distance to the end of the race, if not more. Last year's race at Road America went 14% beyond it's scheduled distance (7 laps added to a 50-lap race), so you could get into real problems in a situation like that in trying to award points based on a percentage of a race completed. 63. 12345Dude posted: 06.03.2012 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And for those that are insinuating that I think Kurt Busch is on drugs, I never said that. What I said is that Ryan Newman said there is a chemical imbalance in Kurt Busch, and to me, that could very easily be code for the potential of him being on narcotics. Bi-polar disorder is another possibility. But also remember that NASCAR probably has the worst drug testing policy in all major professional sports, and it should have the toughest, especially where the drivers are concerned, since they're running in close quarters at more than three miles a minute at most tracks. And where is NASCAR in all this? Aside from a fine given to Kurt after last season's finale, they have not taken one piece of action. They should be trying to at least figure out what the problem is, and try to help him in any feasible way possible, but they're not even doing that. I know if I was one of those in charge, I'd make it a point to make sure that he, or anyone else in this position gets help, but NASCAR's got their collective heads in the sand on this issue. " Well we really don't know if they have tried to help him or not. I think he's just an douche. He should of woken up when only James Finch wanted him to drive for his car. He's just a jerk that's all. You would think making millions driving race cars for a living would be enough to keep him happy. What's the unemployed percentage? Honestly I think his cup career is over. 24 Wins 1 Championship 3 Top 5 Points Finishes 6 Top 10 Points Finishes Not a bad career. The more he acts up the more youtube videos of him acting like a 2 year old. Some of the videos have 100,000-300,000 views. That might sound harsh but I have no tolerance for 3 kind of people. 1. Mean/Jerks 2. Racists 3. Homophobes It's been 12 years of this. He's not changing. 64. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.03.2012 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ^quoted for the truth. I have a similar intolerance for the same types of people. Who would have thought this would be less frustrating than the Cup race. Circumstances and an epic bust ruined this race. NASCAR ruined that the Cup race. And cjs, we know you aren't insinuating KuBu is on drugs. We know you are wondering if that is what Newman is insinuating. But Newman always tries to sound smart even though his intelligence is average. He would have snuck the word "drugs" in there if that is what he is insinuating. He isn't smart wnough to truly speak in code. Don't overestimate Newman. 65. Idiot posted: 06.03.2012 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Coal" Whitt drove the coal sponsored car in this race...that's irony and good marketing by the clean coal people to sponsor Cole. 66. cjs3872 posted: 06.04.2012 - 1:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, Newman is an engineer, which is one thing that drew Roger Penske to him. Frankly, I think Newman is smarter than half the people in the garage area. He will forget more about how race cars go than anyone else among the drivers will ever know. The only thing I don't like about some of Newman's comments is that he makes a lot of smart-aleck remarks, and maybe that's where you're getting at. 67. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.04.2012 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Don't confuse book smarts with real world smarts. And his "smart aleck" remarks are really "I'm smarter than you, if you don't believe me just ask" remarks. He suffers from Geoff Bodine Syndrome. Much like I did with Geoff, I listen to Ryan and think "gee, if you are so damn smart, why aren't you winning more?". Of course Geoff was infinitely more talented than Ryan, but like Ryan, was never a Top 5 driver. The difference is Geoff made his impact when the fields were the toughest, while Ryan is putting up worse numbers against less legends. 68. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.04.2012 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The guy who was smart was Alan Kulwicki. Good point cjs. That would have to be considered. Maybe 70% of scheduled distance, and scrapped if the race is rain-shortened? 69. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.04.2012 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Although it was inadvertant, Allgaier set in motion the events that led to Kurt's suspension, so now I like him even more. And if I am a competitor, I am going to mess with Kurt like crazy. I am going to rough him up in the race, then talk shit to him afterwards knowing he will either snap or have to take it. 70. cjs3872 posted: 06.04.2012 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And DSFF, it would be ironic if Justin Allgaier was tabbed to run the #51 car at Pocono. He's one of those that fit the criteria to be Busch's replacement, which more than likely, is being a Chevrolet driver with possible ties to Hendrick Motorsports, who builds a lot of the equipment that Finch runs. The others being Cole Whitt, who's qualified for every Cup race he's attempted this year, if I'm not mistaken. Bill Elliott is a candidate, given his ties to Hendrick through his son Chase. Some other drivers rumored would cause potential problems due to manufacturer conflicts, though all of them have a past with Hendrick Motorsports. Among them are Brian Vickers, Terry Labonte, and Ken Schrader. Vckers would be a good hire, but the problem there is that he has acontract to drive Michael Waltrip's #55 Toyota in the races that Mark Martin's not in the car for, thus creating a potential conflict between Toyota and Chevrolet. Labonte and Schrader each drove for Hednick Motorsports for years and were even teammates there for three seasons. But they split time in a Ford owned by Frank Stoddard (though that car will be sponsored by HendrickCars.com at Sonoma), so there's a possible conflict between Ford and Chevrolet there. Another possibility for James Finch would be a veteran ARCA driver, since ARCA will also be at Pocono. And if Finch wants to go down that road, the best candidate is obviously Frank Kimmel, the greatest midwestern stock car champion in history, though there may be others. Nationwide Series drivers such as Elliott Sadler and Austin Dillon, though both drive Chevrolets, probably won't be considered, due to their ties with Richard Childress Racing. Trevor Bayne, last year's Daytona 500 winner, would also be a good option, but he's under contract with Roush and Ford, so that's out. The same is true regarding Sam Hornish, Jr., who would be a very good option for Finch, but he's under contract with Penske and Dodge (for this year), so he's likely out. Believe it or not, Danica Patrick fits the criteria to be a replacement for Busch, since she drivers a Chevrolet in the Nationwide Series and has ties to Hendrick Motorsports. Another option would be either Kenny or Mike Wallace, who would almost certainly bring the car back in one piece. Of course, Finch could also do a start-and-park since he's comfortably in the top 35 in points, may not have a driver after Pocono, and is unsponsored. I thought there was even a possibility of his team not even going to Pocono, but Finch's saying that there are plenty of qualified drivers to take Kurt Busch's place pretty much puts an end to that idea. 71. Matt T posted: 01.04.2019 - 7:47 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) So far, the closest Ryan Truex has ever come to winning a Nationwide/Xfinity race. 72. Danish_Pie posted: 07.25.2019 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ended up being the only Xfinity start for Tim Bainey Jr. and his final start in NASCAR. 73. Jason24 posted: 12.05.2019 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've always wondered how different Ryan Truex' career would be right now had he held on to win this race. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: