|| *Comments on the 2012 NRA American Warrior 300:* View the most recent comment <#72> | Post a comment <#post> 1. murb posted: 09.01.2012 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Craziness at the end, to say the least. If you go to comment #48 on the Atlanta Cup page, you'll see my thoughts on the race. I'm way too lazy and tired to write them all over here again. 2. The Final Gear posted: 09.01.2012 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH" Harvick strikes again. Couldn't be happier to see a N'Wide Regular win the race. Harvick complaining about a caution that never happened was hilarious. Chalk 2 cars up for the Danica crash total tonight. I'd be throwing a fit if I was Mike Bliss. I had a top 10 run going and then she got even with Buescher and then made an extreme overcorrection into my car to wreck me. Really boring race with Harvick out there for so long but it was an actual race and not a crashfest so I won't complain too much. Nice job by Kez though to come from 2 down and I don't mind that he pushed Stenhouse to victory. He's slowly moving up my "favorite drivers list" 3. 18fan posted: 09.01.2012 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First pole for KBM and Kyle's first pole since Bristol last August. I was rooting for Stenhouse to beat Harvick even though I didn't think he had a shot. Two nights in a row a Cup driver dominated only to be passed late by a series regular. 4. Anonymous posted: 09.01.2012 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRA American Warrior 300? Is American Warrior a new program they want to promote or did they just want a tough sounding name? 5. 10andJoe posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "American Warrior" is the title of one of the NRA's monthly publications. 6. 10andJoe posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #15 sponsor: Rick Ware Racing (appeared to be Ware's 'white with blue stripes' no-sponsor scheme) #43 sponsor: Flying J Travel Centers/Old Wisconsin (no notable Pilot logos) #00 owner: Jason Sciavicco (is the second SR2 car) 7. 10andJoe posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #2 - Kyle Fowler has grounds to be annoyed as well. He was having a pretty good night up until Hurricane Danica struck. 8. The Final Gear posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #7 Forgot that Fowler tagged Buescher after that wreck. So chalk up 3 cars, with 2 underfunded teams suffering because of Danica. Great face of the sport she is... I don't expect her to do well tomorrow night. The girl just can't drive a loose race car well. 9. Jordan posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Uhh, Buescher caused that mess in the first place, don't know if you watched the race or not. She would have never been in the position to cut low if she wasn't squeezed into the wall. Of course, if she didn't turn left to the degree she did, she would have had a lot more damage herself so I don't see how she takes the fault for this. Seriously, if you can't even attempt to judge incidents involving her fairly, #2, then take your sexism somewhere else. It's stuff like that that really gives NASCAR and its fans a bad name. There is NO WAY Danica is at fault for someone who just pulls into her lane for no good reason, she was practically against the wall already. 10. ch posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor corrections: 00 - SR2 Motorsports 15 - Carport Empire (exact same scheme as the 41) 40 - The Motorsports Group (blank car) 41 - Carport Empire 42 - The Motorsports Group 43 - Pilot / Flying J / Old Wisconsin (Pilot and Flying J shared the hood) 44 - Bandit Chippers 47 - The Motorsports Group 51 - St. Jude Children's Research Hospital 52 - Hamilton Means Racing 71 - Lilly Trucking As 10 and Joe said, the 00 owner should be Jason Sciavicco. Looks like they finally are having to resort to the FRM / TriStar / TMG style of S&Ping where one car parks so the other can race. That is the instance where I don't mind the S&Ping. 11. ch posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #9... Did you see the incar from the 7??? She clearly pulled too far left. Yes, the 30 was crowding her, but he left enough room. The worst part is how even after she cleared the spinning 30, she continued left like she was too worried to go back up. She was half-way down the space between the white line and the inside wall when there was clearly 3-4 lanes clear above. That is how the 44 got collected, so I would say that Mike Bliss has every right to be upset with her. 12. joey2448 posted: 09.01.2012 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Didn't get to see the race, but I just watched the last few laps on NASCAR.com, and it's so ridiculous when the ESPN booth is completely caught off guard when Stenhouse passes Harvick for the lead in turn one on the final lap. They thought Harvick had a tire going down or something, but even I could tell that Stenhouse had a ton of momentum from being pushed down the frontstretch by Keselowski. It's called the draft, guys! So far, that's two for two on the weekend for drivers that I don't particularly like winning races. Friday it was Ty Dillon and today it was Stenhouse, mostly because I'd like to see James Buescher win the truck title and Elliott Sadler win the Nationwide title. 13. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't get to watch it, but what is the deal with the water bottle? 14. 18fan posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad needed a caution because he had to make another pit stop and the leaders didn't and the caution would give him a tire advantage and he would still line up in the top 10 because of how few cars were on the lead lap. Brad threw a water bottle out the window and not long after a caution came out for debris. He basically said that he did throw the bottle and video confirmed that, but whether it was intentional will never be known by any of us except Brad. NASCAR said the caution did not come out for the water bottle but Harvick didn't buy it, mainly because he had the race won without that caution. 15. 18fan posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reportedly, in the post-race "discussion" between Harvick and Brad Kevin told Brad: "Sleep good tonight." 16. New14 & 88Fan posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't believe that caution cost Harvick the race, it was the Buscher/Bliss/Fowler crash and the following yellow that enabled Stenhouse to get the restart he needed to get the lead. Drivers have tossed water bottles out of their cars under green and under caution without anyone caring, the only reason Brad's actions tonight are in the spotlight is that they may have determined who won the race. Nascar really needs to address this issue and nip it in the bud, but knowing the suits in Daytona they'll likely just sweep it under the rug like they do everything else. 17. 1995z71 posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR is such BS. They penalized Robby Gordon a few years back, but when Brad does its ok. Brad is also a bad liar. 18. murb posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a long story DSFF, but here's the gist of it. Brad threw a water bottle out of his car under green flag conditions. At this point, he needed a caution to make it to the end on fuel (this all happened with like less than 30 to go by the way). A couple laps after he threw it out, the caution came out for debris. At this point, ESPN is making a big deal about the water bottle because they thought that it was the reason for the caution. This then caused everyone to wonder whether or not Brad did it deliberately just for his own sake. But as it turned out, the caution was supposedly for other debris on the track. Meanwhile, there's a restart followed by another caution (Danica and Buescher). Then, on the last restart, Harvick didn't get going, and Stenhouse got a push from Brad and went on to win. After the race, Harvick was pissed because the caution kind of screwed him, so he and Brad talked it over (he thought Brad did it on purpose). Brad seemed really confused about it in his interview. Then, after Harvick was told that the bottle didn't bring the caution out, he called out ESPN and the racetrack in his post race interview for continuing to replay Brad throwing the bottle (I guess he could see it on the track's big screen as he was driving). It's a very complex and confusing situation. But like I stated on the Cup page, I agree with Harvick in that ESPN blew it way out of proportion. They made a huge deal about it for nothing, in essence. 19. Baker posted: 09.02.2012 - 1:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvik legit sounded like he was going to cry during that interview. 20. 1995z71 posted: 09.02.2012 - 1:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick was about to cry? Was this the same time he was laughing? 21. 10andJoe posted: 09.02.2012 - 1:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) >But as it turned out, the caution was supposedly for other debris on the track. Not "supposedly". They showed a truck picking up a pretty nasty-lookign chunk of metal. 22. Mike posted: 09.02.2012 - 2:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica did nothing wrong. She held her line, Buescher came up across her front bumper. She didn't have more than six inches between her and the wall. As for the contact with the #44 ... she probably didn't need to move that far over, but I wonder if she was considering the possibility of getting hooked by the right front corner of Buescher's car if he kept spinning. 23. NicoRosbergFan posted: 09.02.2012 - 5:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't know why people are hating on Buescher (besides our feminist extremist Jordan). His distnace from the wall never changed from turn 1 to the back stretch, while Danica's kept getting larger and larger. 24. Anonymous posted: 09.02.2012 - 7:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pastrana had a very good run tonight, the finish didn't show it. He should of had a top ten. 25. Anonymous posted: 09.02.2012 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick always sounds like he is about to cry or whine. He is one of the ones that thinks he is entitled to wins. He has to earn them and isn't bright enough to know he has to earn them. 26. The Final Gear posted: 09.02.2012 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w3qdkPPfdU Watch :43-:45 and then Danica's in car camera. There is a lot of turning to the left on the straight there. Either way, she wrecked Mike Bliss and there is no going around that. She took out a top 10 car like it or not. I'm glad you throw out a sexist because you are an absolute hypocrite with trying to label me as sexist despite being one of the bigger Johanna Long fans on here. You then say "I'm what's wrong with NASCAR fans" but in fact it's probably you who is more likely what's wrong with NASCAR fans. 27. The Final Gear posted: 09.02.2012 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w3qdkPPfd Just watch the video. She's turning an awful lot to the left on the straightaway. The #30 gave her just enough room that she could have made a pass going into 3 if she wished. She took out 2 cars having solid runs and the #30 tonight. Out of all of them, Mike Bliss should be the most upset. Appreciate the "I'm sexist" comment. I'm a huge fan of Johanna Long and I think she could be something great in NASCAR. I look forward to the day when she has top notch equipment and starts winning. People like you are the fans that are what's wrong with NASCAR trying to lead others on a witch hunt to get rid of the "bad fans" and exile them from the fanbase or having a credible opinion. 28. Scott B posted: 09.02.2012 - 8:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great finish by Stenhouse. This is why he will have a f/t Cup ride next season instead of Trevor Bayne, just more closer instinct. Too bad a water bottle and a spokesmodel are stealing so much of the attention. 29. cjs3872 posted: 09.02.2012 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As big an advantage as Harvick had, it's obvious to me that he intentionally slowed up to let Stenhouse pass because he and Richard Childress didn't want NASCAR looking over his car thoroughly in post-race inspection. And when you consider the problems that RCR has had with the inspectors, especially in the Nationwide Series this year, Harvick probably knew, given the advantage he had on everyone else, that there was something on his car that was not supposed to be on it, and the easiest way to hide it is not to get it thoroughly inspected. Even on that final restart, Harvick cleared Stenhouse and put about five car lengths on him, and then he suddenly slowed up, which makes me believe that he may even have been told to slow and let whoever it was that was in second place pass, just so that the car would not be inspected thoroughly. And would not be the first time something like this happened. Everyone knows what happened at Charlotte in 1983 with Richard Petty. What's not as widely known is that Darrell Waltrip led most of the second half of that race before Petty blew by him. Given the history that Junior Johnson had with inspectors over the years, as well as being in a tight points battle, that Johnson instructed Waltrip to slow down, knowing that they too were running an oversized engine in that race, and could not risk getting caught, so Johnson had Waltrip slow down and let Petty take the win (and the fall). A couple of years later in the first All-Star Race, they again ran an oversized engine, and Junior had Darrell intentionally blow up the engine just after crossing the S/F line so that it wouldn't be inspected. It may not have been because of an oversized engine, but it was obvious to me that Harvick, either on his own or by instructions from Childress, slowed down intentionally so that he wouldn't win because they didn't want that car thoroughly inspected. So I believe that Harvick dominated last night's race with an illegal car, and he slowed down so that whatever they were doing wouldn't be discovered, so they could run whatever it ws they were running in the future, perhaps even in one of the championship contending cars. Let's not forget that, in Austin Dillon's win earlier this year (at Kentucky, I believe), which was a runaway simliar to what last night's race looked like for much of it, irregularities were found in that car and the team was penalized, so I suspect that the car Harvick ran was illegal, and even Roush and Stenhouse knew it, which was why there was no joy in victory lane, because they knew they were given that win instead of flat taking it. 30. chris o posted: 09.02.2012 - 9:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) boring race the first half, it got so much better at the end, way to go ricky. 31. Peter posted: 09.02.2012 - 9:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoever thinks Danica did nothing wrong and it was just a racing deal is a idiot. It was revenge pure and simple 32. NicoRosbergFan posted: 09.02.2012 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone have a BEEF with Ricky Stenhouse? :P cjs, watching the replay, it's pretty obvious that Atlanta is one of those places where the driver has so much more control (as far as 1.5 milers go, at least) over the car, that Stenhouse just caught him and passed mainly because he had the desire to win more than Harvick. 33. cjs3872 posted: 09.02.2012 - 10:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, I won't question you on Stenhouse's desire, but desire alone can't make up half a second on each lap, and that's how much faster Harvick was than anyone else. But even on the next-to-last lap, I could see when Harvick moved down the track that he actually wanted Stenhouse to pass him. The reason he wanted Stenhouse to pass him was so that his car would not be thoroughly inspected. When you have that much of an edge and then suddenly slow and get passed by two cars on the last lap, that tells me that Harvick either slowed down on his own, or was actually told to by Childress because they had something on their car that they didn't want NASCAR taking a look at. You're right about the desire being able to make up for a little lack of speed, but not 2 MPH, and that was the advantage that Kevin Harvick had. To slow up that much tells me that Harvick actually wanted Stenhouse to pass him, and the only reason he or Childress would want Harvick to be passed is because they probably had something on that car they didn't want NASCAR taking a look at, especially considering the problems they're had with inspectors most of the season. Desire can, and usually will make up a tenth of a second, but it can't make up half a second. And I go back to the fact that there just wasn't the excitement in victory lane, and the only reason I can figure out why that is would be that Roush knew that Harvick gave them the win, and probably gave them the win on purpose because they didn't want to risk NASCAR finding out what they had in their car, because I suspect that their car was illegal, and I think with the way they slowed down at the end that Childress and Harvick also knew it. 34. NicoRosbergFan posted: 09.02.2012 - 10:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trust me, desire can make up half a second. Read about the 1957 (or was it 1956?) German Grand Prix at Nurburgring, where Juan Manuel Fangio broke his own track record set in qualifying by more than 6 seconds. Also, Harvick could have been flustered by that last restart. Crap like this happens so often to drivers that to make accusations of cheating is absolutely ludicrous. How many times do we see a driver dominate for him to get gypped by a late caution? It happened at Darlington. 35. cjs3872 posted: 09.02.2012 - 10:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, desire can make up more on a road course than it ever could on an oval, especially a high-speed oval where you're almost flat-out all the way around. And the way that race ended would tell me that Harvick and his team had something to hide a lot more than if Harvick had simply pulled away like he did all night long. Had he done that, I probably would not have made the assumption that they had something to hide, but to dominate the race like they did, and then mysteriously slow down at the end was what raised the suspicion in my mind. And then Harvick said that Keselowski and Stenhouse drafted their way by Harvick. To me, that's almost impossible at a track where drafting is impossible because the straightaways are too short for for drafting to have any kind of effect. To me, that's almost an admission that something foul was going on. Had that taken place at Michigan, I'd believe that Harvick got outdrafted, but not at Atlanta. Remember that the turns at Atlanta make up nearly two-thirds of the track distance, and that the distance of the back straightaway is exactly the same as the turns are at Indy. I just think that Childress and Harvick were willing to give up this win if it meant giving the two drivers in the championship battle a better chance at the title, even if it meant giving Stenhouse a few (four) extra points. 36. Dave #38 Fan posted: 09.02.2012 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) if harvick and childress knew that their car was illegal and would not pass inspection, then why they hell would they have even entered the race in the first place? and there's no way in hell he would let stenhouse win on purpose, especially since stenhouse is going to be the one who beats sadler for the title (again) and sadler needs every point on stenhouse he can get. harvick moving over and letting stenhouse win would be reverse team orders. 37. Baker posted: 09.02.2012 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I respect your knowledge of NASCAR history cjs, but your conspiracy theories are laughable at best. 38. cjs3872 posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That, Dave #38 Fan, is why they ran what appeared to be such an experimental car. They wanted to see if they could use the stuff on that car to help Sadler and Dillon in their battle against Stenhouse and Sam Hornish, Jr. for the title. And remember Childress virtually invented the term "big picture racing" when Dale Earnhardt drove for him. Childress is not afraid to give up a few points, even a victory, to his key rivals, if it means that it gives him a better chance at winning the championship, but he didn't want to risk his car getting caught if it did have illegal parts on it, especially in light of his organization's multitude of problems with inspecotrs this year. My hunch is that he wants to run those setups on the #2 and #3 cars later this year to give them a better chance at running with Stenhouse and Hornish for the title. 39. NicoRosbergFan posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It wouldn't make sense for Harvick to dive since NASCAR doesn't have the parts to disqualify anyone anyway. He still would have gotten the win. 40. cjs3872 posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But a major penalty to the #33 team might have affected the #2 and #3 teams regarding the equipment might have been significant. It wasn't about the #33 team as much as the whole of Richard Childress Racing. But anyway, that entire finishing sequence to last night's race just smelled to me, from Brad Keselowski intentionally causing his own caution to Harvick slowing down in the final two miles, allowing himself to drop from first to third. He even moved down on the backstretch on the next-to-last lap, almost as if he wanted Stenhouse to pass him, since Stenhouse ran the high line almost the entire race. In fact, Harvick even gave Stenhouse the outside line, which is a big mistake, especially in the lower HP Nationwide cars, considering that the momentum of running the high line is even more important for those cars than it is the Cup cars. If you watch the finishes at Atlanta since the track was reconfigured in 1997, you'd know that it's best for a driver in the lead to give any driver trying to pass the inside line, because the outside always wins out. Dale Earnhardt did that in 2000, Harvick himself did that in 2001, and Jeff Gordon, remembering that 2001 finish, did that last year. And remember the spring race in 2005. Jimmie Johnson didn't run high enough, and paid the price for it, allowing Carl Edwards to pass him in the last few hundred feet. If there's going to be a close finish at Atlanta, you need to run on the outside, because there's not one case where a driver diving on the inside kept his nose in front at the S/F line. 41. David posted: 09.02.2012 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @39 NASCAR hasn't disqualified a winner since the 1955 Daytona Beach race. 42. David posted: 09.02.2012 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Excuse my error. NASCAR hasn't disqualified a winner for technical violations since 1955. 43. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 09.02.2012 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "People like you are the fans that are what's wrong with NASCAR trying to lead others on a witch hunt to get rid of the "bad fans" and exile them from the fanbase or having a credible opinion." NASCAR fans haven't been credible for the past 8-10 years, just so you know. 44. murb posted: 09.02.2012 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I respect your knowledge of NASCAR history cjs, but your conspiracy theories are laughable at best." This. I agree with Dave#38 on this deal. Sure, RCR has a history of cheating up race cars (especially lately). But why would they enter it in the first place if it was illegal. Especially when they are currently dealing with "cheating" issues with the 27 in the Cup series!!!!! 45. Schroeder51 posted: 09.02.2012 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #42 NASCAR actually HAS disqualified a race winner in the past 20 years...Mark Martin wound up being given the victory of a Busch series race at Michigan in 1995 when Dale Jarrett, who actually won the race, was DQed for an illegal carburetor. I believe that's the last time a win was taken away in the top 3 NASCAR series. 46. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.02.2012 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm gonna have to go online and watch the last restart (as well as the water bottle throw as well as the Danica incident to see if she was paying Beuscher back for that California deal last year) so I can have a legitimate opinion on this. 47. cjs3872 posted: 09.02.2012 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, you'd have to watch the majority of the race to see just how dominant Harvick was to judge whether or not he gave the race to Stenhouse, but as I said, that entire sequence, where the finish was concerned, was suspicious. 48. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.02.2012 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh. I posted a lenghty reply after watching the final 30 laps online, but as I tried to post my computer decided to have a seizure. Here, in a nutshell, is what I said: The water bottle: a non issue. Brad admitted to tossing it, which if he were trying something shady, he wouldn't do. It wouldn't even be talked about except Kevin had to pull his usual "I'm Harvick hear me roar" routine of bumping cars and making big scenes on pit road after races. I guess age and becoming a father has done absolutely nothing for his childish attitude. The Danica wreck: the roof cam tells the story, she turned down. Whether it was on purpose or not, who knows. She is in no way ready for Cup. If tonights race has the green flag runs Darlington and Charlotte had she will be lapped 5 times again. The Stenthouse pass: either cjs is right or Harvick temporarily forgot how to drive (don't rule this out, he has serious issues). Coming to the white he pulled way down low on the backstretch for who knows what reason. Then his corner speeds just fell off the face of the Earth. If something were wrong wiith his car, he would happily throw his team under the bus for that afterwards. As for avoiding extensive technical inspection, when you have as many infractions as RCR has had this year, you open yourself up for speculation. 49. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.02.2012 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh. I posted a lenghty reply after watching the final 30 laps online, but as I tried to post my computer decided to have a seizure. Here, in a nutshell, is what I said: The water bottle: a non issue. Brad admitted to tossing it, which if he were trying something shady, he wouldn't do. It wouldn't even be talked about except Kevin had to pull his usual "I'm Harvick hear me roar" routine of bumping cars and making big scenes on pit road after races. I guess age and becoming a father has done absolutely nothing for his childish attitude. The Danica wreck: the roof cam tells the story, she turned down. Whether it was on purpose or not, who knows. She is in no way ready for Cup. If tonights race has the green flag runs Darlington and Charlotte had she will be lapped 5 times again. The Stenthouse pass: either cjs is right or Harvick temporarily forgot how to drive (don't rule this out, he has serious issues). Coming to the white he pulled way down low on the backstretch for who knows what reason. Then his corner speeds just fell off the face of the Earth. If something were wrong wiith his car, he would happily throw his team under the bus for that afterwards. As for avoiding extensive technical inspection, when you have as many infractions as RCR has had this year, you open yourself up for speculation. 50. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.02.2012 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh. I posted a lenghty reply after watching the final 30 laps online, but as I tried to post my computer decided to have a seizure. Here, in a nutshell, is what I said: The water bottle: a non issue. Brad admitted to tossing it, which if he were trying something shady, he wouldn't do. It wouldn't even be talked about except Kevin had to pull his usual "I'm Harvick hear me roar" routine of bumping cars and making big scenes on pit road after races. I guess age and becoming a father has done absolutely nothing for his childish attitude. The Danica wreck: the roof cam tells the story, she turned down. Whether it was on purpose or not, who knows. She is in no way ready for Cup. If tonights race has the green flag runs Darlington and Charlotte had she will be lapped 5 times again. The Stenthouse pass: either cjs is right or Harvick temporarily forgot how to drive (don't rule this out, he has serious issues). Coming to the white he pulled way down low on the backstretch for who knows what reason. Then his corner speeds just fell off the face of the Earth. If something were wrong wiith his car, he would happily throw his team under the bus for that afterwards. As for avoiding extensive technical inspection, when you have as many infractions as RCR has had this year, you open yourself up for speculation. 51. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.02.2012 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And then I somehow triple posted. I hate technology. 52. Anonymous posted: 09.02.2012 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad should have plugged his sponsor and said he threw a Miller Lite out the window instead of a water bottle! 53. 10andJoe posted: 09.02.2012 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) - Brian Scott's 100th Nationwide start. 54. 10andJoe posted: 09.02.2012 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) - Danny Efland's 50th Nationwide start. - James Buescher's 50th Nationwide start. 55. murb posted: 09.02.2012 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just heard on RaceDay that RCR and Elliott Sadler are parting ways after this season. Sounds like he is talking to JGR about an NNS ride. Maybe the 11 car that Brian Scott is supposedly leaving. RCR just continues to keep losing my respect. I don't know whether this was Elliott's decision or their decision, but it still seems lame to me. I really think that they are just trying to can their current guys just so the Dillons can get their rides. My favorite driver is Jeff Burton, and I honestly want him to leave RCR at this point. If it happened, I doubt he would get a better ride. But I just want him out of there because I'm really tired of pulling for an RCR car. 56. cjs3872 posted: 09.02.2012 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, if Sadler winds up moving to JGR, he'd be the perfect mentor for their younger drivers coming up, such as Darrell Wallace, Michael McDowell when he runs for JGR (and he's on stand-by for Joey Logano tonight), and any future drivers that might sign development deals for Gibbs, though this is odd, considering that Matt Kenseth would also be good in that role if he ends up going to Gibbs. However, it could be that Sadler is tired of the rule-bending (and breaking) at Childress. Remember that he's driven (and won) in Cup for two of the cleanest owners/teams in the history of the sport when it comes to playing by the rules, the Wood Brothers and Robert Yates, so maybe he got tired of it and is leaving, but Sadler leaving Childress is most peculiar at this time, especially since he's having his greatest season in NASCAR with four wins and leading the championship most of the year. 57. Peter posted: 09.02.2012 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's most likely so he can put Ty in that 2 car; he just got his first win in NASACR and grandaddy thinks he's ready for Nationwide already 58. Jeff posted: 09.02.2012 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sadler's contract was up at the end of the year so he was technically a free agent. If the JGR rumor turns out to be true it sounds like he'll take over the #18 full time. Also sounds like he might get a part time Cup schedule for Joe Gibbs too. I wonder what One Main will do? Follow Elliott or stay at RCR or do they move to a new team or just leave the sport? 59. The Final Gear posted: 09.02.2012 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ty is staying in Trucks next year if he doesn't win the Championship. Even then, he still might be staying in Trucks for another year. 60. Mike posted: 09.02.2012 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Peter: Both Richard Childress and Ty Dillon have said that Ty is staying in the Trucks next year. As for One Main's future, I hear their situation isn't great financially, so I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled out of NASCAR. 61. Spen posted: 09.03.2012 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Perhaps Coulter might be getting a shot in the #2? Or more likely, they'll have it run with various part-timers so that all their championship efforts can go to Austin. Cjs: Another precedent for your theory of Harvick backing off due to having an illegal car would be the race at Central City Speedway in 1954. Tim Flock, in his first race back after being disqualified from the Daytona beach race earlier in the year, totally dominated the race, leading 180 out of the 200 laps. But he purposfully allowed the second and third place cars to pass him, knowing full well that his car wouldn't pass inspection. It worked out great for him, as Buck Baker, who crossed the line first was DQ'd, handing Flock a second place finish. (Hershel McGriff won the race, BTW). Of course, in those days it was fairly common for a driver to be disqualified for any technical infraction, so he had a more legitimate concern. Unless RCR and Harvick are in a posistion where $28,000 really makes a big difference to them. 62. murb posted: 09.03.2012 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Travis Pastrana is gonna drive Roush's 60 car this weekend at Richmond. Didn't see that coming. 63. Jordan posted: 09.03.2012 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Final Gear, I want to apologize about my comment. Sometimes I get angry about the witch hunt that seems to take place against Danica and it's my honest belief that wreck was fully Buescher's fault. We disagree about this and that's no reason for me to call you sexist so I am sorry. With that said, I don't think a driver would seek revenge for an incident that happened a year ago, she would have had chances to do that before now if she wanted. Harvick totally blew that one and the theory that he wanted to avoid such an intricate inspection probably has a lot of merit. AT the same time, Stenhouse was driving hard and you could tell he really wanted that win more. I'm sure having Kesdasani behind him helped with a sort of drafting effect as well. I get the feeling Sadler is choosing to leave (if he really is out). Childress is obviously focusing his attention on the Dillons and his goal is to get them up to Sprint Cup, so Sadler had probably hit the highest point he could there. If he can get a Gibbs ride, he has the potential to eventually get a 4th Sprint Cup car though, or possibly drive for MWR in Cup in the 55 as he planned to this year since he won't have GM over his head. And if Kyle Busch makes one more boneheaded move, that could be Sadler's ride. murb, if Burton leaves Childress, he'll be doing the organization a favor. As the great Brad Daugherty would say, "He's DONE!" He seems to be on the level of Bobby Labonte lately, just in far better equipment. He should go ahead and retire and start his political career before he falls in the category of drivers who just didn't know when to quit. 64. Rusty posted: 09.04.2012 - 10:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Richmond Entry List is out: -Jeremy Clements in the #4 -Paulie Harraka in the #08 -Carl Long in the #15 -Tanner Berryhill in the #17 -Denny Hamlin in the #18 -Darrell Wallace, Jr. in the #20 -Ryan Blaney in the #22 -James Buescher in the #30 -Kevin Harvick in the #33 -Brad Sweet in the #38 -Dexter Stacey in the #39 -David Starr in the #50 with Rusty Wallace listed as owner -Ty Dillon in the #51 -Kurt Busch in the #54 -Travis Pastrana in the #60 -Ryan Truex in the #99 65. cjs3872 posted: 09.04.2012 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jordan, I would agree with you about Stenhouse if it weren't for the fact that he doesn't have a "cruise gear". If it were someone like Trevor Bayne or even Austin Dillon, I would have a easier time believing that the car was driven harder at the end than it had been all race long, because they really don't run the car that hard during the majority of the race, an example being Bayne's win in the NNS race at Texas last fall, where he ran about eighth all day, but when he closed up on cautions, he stepped it up a notch or two to steal the win from Carl Edwards, who had a much faster car. And Spen, I think Childress wants to run the experimental parts he ran on that car on the #2 and #3 cars don the stretch in a bid for the championship, and possibly to even finish 1-2, and he can't run those parts if they're deemed illegal in inspection. And that's worth far more than $28,000. And Jordan, what you said about the #18 Cup car possibly being Elliott Sadler's ride if Kyle Busch makes one more boneheaded move, if we're under the assumption that Sadler will be signing with Gibbs' Nationwide team. Remember that M&M's, one of the sponsors of that car was Sadler's sponsor when he drove for Robert Yates from 2003-'06, and that driver/sponsor combo was in the first Chase in 2004, when Sadler won two 500-mile races for Yates (at Texas and California). But Mike (#60) may have brought up something that could be interesting, and that is that Sadler leaving Childress, or Childress letting Sadler go might, much as the Trevor Bayne situation has been the last couple of years, be sponsor-driven, as Childress may be letting Sadler go due to lack of sponsorhip, if his current sponsor is going by the wayside at season's end. If that's the case, then Childress wants Sadler to go out a champion, as Sadler is his best shot at the title this year, since he's led the points most of the year. 66. Jordan posted: 09.04.2012 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, that may be true about Stenhouse, he is very much an aggressive driver. However, I think he is typically more aggressive at the end of races, he's a driver who cares more about winning than the points. We saw this at Montreal when he had no problem going for the win when he could have otherwise had a solid 2nd place finish. He mistimed his move a bit and ended up losing points, but he went for the win and that's who he is. I do think it's very likely the #33 was fishy as far as its legality, Childress even this year alone has shown no fear of "testing the rules" and with two cars in position to win the championship, now would be the time to do more of this. I had completely forgotten about Sadler's time at Yates when I made that post. I guess there wasn't much to forget other than the two wins though. He struggled at Yates for the most part but at the same time, the sport had passed Robert by and he wasn't able to compete with the superteams. After the mostly failed David Gilliand era there, perhaps M&Ms can accept that Sadler was doing a good job there and the team was what prevented him from being a bigger factor. Should Kyle do something else to anger them, I think they would be more than willing to accept Sadler at least on a temporary basis. Childress may very well just not have the sponsorship, that's quite possible. Childress is definitely not the best owner in the sport at selling his product to potential sponsors and he has lost numerous big sponsors, including the legendary association with GM and the Lowe's sponsorship, which went to an unproven driver who many expected to fail (turns out Lowe's knew what they were doing). He very recently had a 4 car team running but lost enough sponsorship to drop to two teams, only remaining at 3 because he brought a pay driver who failed at all his other Cup stops into the fold (one who has surprised pretty much everyone with what he has brought to the table). Even if the sponsorship is the issue for the #2 car, I believe Sadler can't be happy with the priority system that is present at RCR, he definitely wants his grandkids to succeed and you can't really blame him. 67. Jeff posted: 09.04.2012 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Dillon said Sadler is taking One Main with him to his new team. 68. Peter posted: 09.05.2012 - 9:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow Pastrana driving the #60 for Roush, hopefully it will lead to the top ten he derserved for this race 69. Talon64 posted: 09.05.2012 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. picks up his 6th career Nationwide Series win and 4th of 2012, tied with Elliott Sadler for the most by a NNS regular and T-2nd overall (Joey Logano leads all drivers with 6). Through 24 of 33 races, Stenhouse has twice as many wins as he had in all of his 2011 championship season. However, it's his first win in 14 races. It's his 9th top 10 in the last 10 races, including 4 top 2 finishes and 7 top 5's (5.0 avg fin). Stenhouse's 8th top 2 finishes this season lead all drivers, and his 4 runner-up finishes and 10 podiums are tied with Brad Keselowski for the most. Speaking of BraKes, his 7 top 2 finishes (18 starts) are 2nd to Stenhouse. It's his 14th career runner-up finish (34th top 2 in 186 career starts), tying him with Denny Hamlin and David Green for 20th all time. Kevin Harvick has led the most laps in a race 5 times this season, but he's failed to win any of them (best of 3rd, 4 top 5's, 6.0 avg fin). His 646 laps led this season are his most since 2006, but it's also the most laps led of anyone this season who hasn't won a race. Elliott Sadler finishes in the top 5 for a 3rd straight race (5th, 4th and 5th), but has still been outscored by 1 point by Ricky Stenhouse Jr. (12th, 2nd and a win). Justin Allgaier's 6th top 5 of the season equals his total from all of 2012. He's on pace to equal his career-high of 8 from the 2010 season. Austin Dillon's the highest finishing rookie of the race in 6th, his 18th top 10 which ties Elliott Sadler and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. for the most in 2012. He's on pace for 25 top 10's, which would break Kyle Busch's rookie record of 22 from 2004. Speaking of whom, Kyle Busch picked up his 24th career Nationwide Series pole (9th consecutive season with a pole), tying him with Kevin Harvick for 4th all time. His 24 poles since 2004 rank 2nd only to Carl Edwards' 27. Kyle has 11 wins from pole but this was just his 17th finish of 7th or better when he's started from pole. Cole Whitt has back-to-back top 10's for the first time since Michigan and Road America back in mid-June. The Nationwide Series has two rookies with 10+ top 10's for the first time since 2005 when there were 3: Carl Edwards (21), Reed Sorenson (19) and Denny Hamlin (11). Sam Hornish Jr. extends his top 10 streak to 12 straight races. This streak alone makes up more than half of his career top 10's in Nationwide (23). It's the longest top 10 streak in Nationwide since Carl Edwards had 15 in a row to end 2011. The top 5 in the standings have combined for 36.25 of the total available top 10's this season (87 of 240). Cup drivers have combined for 29.6% (71). Michael Annett makes it 7 Nationwide regulars to reach 10 top 10's this seasons. Unless Brian Scott can get 4 top 10's in the last 9 races of the season then they'll probably be the only ones, which'd be down from having 8 in 2011. He's on pace for 14 this season, which'd be more than he had in his first 3 seasons in Nationwide combined (13). Jeremy Clements finishes in the top 15 for just the 4th time this season (3 with a best of 14th in all of 2011, versus 2 top 10's in 2012). In his 50th career Nationwide start, Danny Efland gets his 5th top 20 finish in 11 starts this season (2 in his first 39 starts). In his last 4 Nationwide starts, James Buescher has just 1 top 20 finish and a 24.5 average finish (9.1 avg fin in his first 12 starts this season). However, the sum of his season (based on average points per race) would be good enough for him to be at 757 points, 7th in the standings and just 3 points behind 6th. 70. Dave #38 Fan posted: 09.05.2012 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ #64 rusty wallace has nothing to the with the #50 team with david starr, it's MAKE motorsports, wallace is just listed on paper as the owner because they bought the #66 team's owner points from 2011. 71. Rusty posted: 09.07.2012 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks for the info, didn't know that. 72. Anonymous posted: 11.12.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did anyone else notice that Carl Long's crew chief was Carl Long? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: