|| *Comments on the 2013 Sam's Town 300:* View the most recent comment <#197> | Post a comment <#post> 1. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Harmon is in so I don't mind rainout this time. Also, only one whacker in the top 20, looks much more intersting than the Cup race. 2. MarkMartinFan posted: 03.09.2013 - 10:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 40 car rule looks dumb this week. 2 cars that would have ran the distance DNQ. 3. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 10:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dident know TY was in this race cool 4. Daniel posted: 03.09.2013 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate that NASCAR doesn't make qualifying the number one priority when there is rain and more cars are entered than spots in the field. 5. 83andJoe posted: 03.09.2013 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >I hate that NASCAR doesn't make qualifying the number one priority when there is rain and more cars are entered than spots in the field. You mean you hate that they make safety the number one priorty, then. They priortise practice. Which is as it should be. 6. ch posted: 03.09.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate it for Swindell and the #98 team. They had to go all the way to the west coast and did not even get to put the car on the track. That being said, I completely understand and agree with Nascar's decision. 7. RaceFanX posted: 03.09.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) NASCAR really needs to dispose of the start-and-park teams. 8. Daniel posted: 03.09.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If they did that though, would Tommy Baldwin Racing still be around? Would Swan Racing be around? Would Landon Cassill, David Stremme, J.J. Yeley, Scott Riggs, or Dave Blaney have rides? Would The Motorsports Group be able to have their #40 run the full-distance? Would Mike Bliss be able to run the full way in the TriStar #19? 9. cjs3872 posted: 03.09.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) RaceFanX, I dislike the start-and-parks, as well, but I have no real problem with the practice either, especially if they're having trouble filling the field. Now I know that the full field stipulation about the Cup Series and the TV money does not apply to the Nationwide or Truck Series, but if it weren't for the start-and-parks, they may not get more than 30-34 cars for a Natonwide race, even on a speedway, simply because there's not enough money from sponsorship. The Cup Series is in better shape because there are closer to 40 fully funded teams, plus part-time teams like the Wood Brothers who can run among the top 15-20 on a good day and finished in the top ten three times last year. And let's not forget that what are now called start-and-parks have actually been around to some degree for decades. The two most blatant examples of teams doing S&P's in the old days being the 1963 Southern 500 (13 of 41 starters) and the 1965 Daytona 500 (14 of 43 starters), when about one-third of the field started, ran a few laps, and then parked it for the day. Only one or two of those dropouts in each of those races were legitimate failures. Other notable S&P's in the old days were Ron Keselowski (Brad's uncle) in the 1971 Daytona 500 (he crashed in the qualifying race and started the 500 to get the last place money), Curtis Crider in the 1963 Daytona 500 (he never actually got the green flag, but retired durng the 10-lap caution at the start), and numerous others in big races, because last place in those races paid more than it did to win many others. Another reason start-and-parks are up compared to 20+ years ago has to do with NASCAR's minimum speed requirement to stay on track, which in turn, requires more tires, which these teams simply do not have the money for, nor can they afford to push their engines to much and too hard, so they run a few laps and park it so they can get to the next race, hoping to find sponsorship to run full races. It used to be that slower cars would put-putter it around the tracks to try to get as good a finish as as they could, but the minimum speed requirement put an end to that. 10. David posted: 03.09.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) PRN wasn't even 30 seconds into their broadcast (including the introduction) before they called the race the Kobalt Tools 400. FAIL. 11. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Just saw the inevitable "Kyle Busch: 106 Career Nascar Wins - Tied For 2nd All Time (David Pearson)" graphic. BSPN, YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!!! 12. David posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PRN's talking to Johanna Long. Who is ESPN talking to? 13. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Why do I get the feeling that Kyle Busch is going to win 20 Nationwide races this year...? 14. Jim Davis posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why do I get the feeling that Kyle Busch is going to win 20 Nationwide races this year...?" It probably has something to do with the fact that he plans to run that many Nationwide races this year. 15. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ 25 Nationwide races, to be exact. Also, Chase Miller will be in the #42 instead of J.J. Yeley, and Kevin Lepage will be in the #74 instead of Mike Harmon. 16. New14 & 88Fan posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Short day for Eric McClure, transmission problems it sounds like. 17. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, Eric McClure has another problem for the second straight week. 18. David posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McClure's engine is gone already?? Wow. 19. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know he was running that many races...and I can seriously see him winning all but five races he runs. And you just KNOW BSPN would absolutely LOVE it if he did that... Damn, after that great run Eric McClure had at Daytona, it looks like he might be in for a HORRIBLE season... 20. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sentimental favorite out of the race count: 1 21. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It looks like this might be a terrible year for underdogs. 22. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol, They show Letarte on screen and the caption says he's Ryan Pemberton... 23. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, if you see a "Hefty" sponsored car on the track, it's actually Mike Bliss, not Eric McClure. Bliss wrecked in practice, and is using McClure's backup car for the race. 24. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Green is still on track. It's almost like McClure start-and-parked so Green could run the full race. 25. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did they call Brian "The Vick?". Jeez, is there anything about him that isn't lame? Lame career, lame personality, lame beard, lame nickname, numerous lame attempts to sound smart. 26. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Scott is having a pretty good start to this season. Maybe the change of scenery from the JGR Cup-dominated Nationwide team is what he needed. 27. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jeez, is there anything about him that isn't lame?" Not to mention one of the lamest Busch Series championships. He was in a Hendrick car and barely beat a Busch Series team (Brewco Motorsports) and a Busch Series-lifer (David Green) for the title. Plus, he couldn't even win the owner's championship, as the team of Kevin Harvick and Johnny "Freaking" Sauter beat him for that honor. 28. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Daryl Harr was just black-flagged for not meeting minimum speed. 29. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why did Brad lap that #8 car right on the cusp of a competition caution? Watching this Series makes me hate life. 30. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle "Ricky Stenhouse Jr" Busch 31. David posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Joe Nemechek wrecks. Dadgum. 32. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol murb. I foresee an epic meltdown for Kyle in the not so distant future. Expectations + Kyle = Epic meltdown. Being back with JGR in NWide gives him two days of the week with huge expectations. 33. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Mike Wallace...who is having a TERRIBLE year so far. 34. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sentimental favorite having their race over or ruined count: 3 Forget Kyle Busch, I foresee an epic DSFF meltdown. 35. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @DSFF, no. 25 comment: "The Vick's beard is nothing, absolutely nothing to Ambrose's offseason one... BTW, why is Lepage in the #74? 36. Benjamin Lowe posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey any fellow wrestling fans remember when Jeff hardy showed up for a Pay Per View Championship Match High as a Kite. 37. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "why is Lepage in the #74?" He said on Nationwide GarageCam yesterday that Mike Harmon called him up and asked if he could drive his car this weekend. That Jeff Hardy incident was an absolute disgrace. He was always one of my favorites, but I lost a lot of respect for him after he showed up in no condition to perform. But I put a lot of blame on the wrestling promotion as well, as TNA Wrestling (which is basically the modern day WCW in terms of horrible booking) could have sent someone else out there in place of Hardy, seeing as how the Hardy/Sting (yes, THAT Sting) match was for the World title and the main event of the show. The match lasted just 90 seconds, and about 60 of those seconds was just Hardy wandering around the ring with no clue as to where he was. Horrible way to end the show that robbed the fans of their money with a shitty main event. 38. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yikes, almost added to my count. Hell of a save by Richardson. Stenhouse actually provided some decent commentary. Sometimes he had a little trouble putting a sentence together, but in his defense he is from Mississippi. Their education system is even worse than NC's. Is this Jeff Hardy video on YouTube? He is another product of North Carolina's wondeful education system. Is it any coincidence one of NC's biggest success stories, Dale Earnhardt, dropped out of school in the 9th grade? I think the longer you stay in school here the dumber you get lol. 39. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson and Bayne smack the wall battling for the lead. 40. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Drivers I don't hate whose days have been ruined: 4 41. Benjamin Lowe posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Paul if you look at the 2011 Las Vegas Sprint cup Comment section page for that Race I made a joke comparing Jeff Hardy to Dale Jr saying that both had a lot of personal demons (I went under the name anonymous85 back then) 42. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sucks for Trevor. 43. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's like the racing gods (if they exist) WANT Cup Series drivers (or drivers who annoy us) to win these races. 44. Benjamin Lowe posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Heck one time I even came on here under the alias of the Ultimate Warrior into fooling him into thinking I was really him only to shatter his dreams by telling him the truth. 45. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven't watched TNA since like 2008, so I've never seen that match. It doesn't surprise me though, considering his history of doing oddball stuff like that. The Jeff Hardy/Dale Jr comparison is just hilarious. When Jr was going through his problems (at least I'm assuming he was having some type of problems for a while there), Jeff Hardy really is who he reminded me of. 46. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Haha I don't know what personal demons Dale Jr. has, but I guess every screw-up needs an excuse for why they finished outside the top 20 in HMS equipment two years in a row. Also, I noticed on the 2011 Las Vegas page that you wished DSFF "happy birthday." So DSFF, is it true that your age now matches the car number of Dale Earnhardt's successor at RCR? If so, happy belated birthday, dude. 47. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HORNISH!!!! LET'S GO!!!! BEAT THE VICK!!!!! 48. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There used to be a great Botchamania YouTube video about that TNA pay-per-view, which included that whole Sting/Jeff Hardy match. Very hilarious, but unfortunately it's been taken down. 49. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, it's just barely halfway? Ugh... It's a shame that so many of those great Botchamanias got taken down. With the way they are so worried about taking down YouTube videos for copyright, it seems like WWE and Nascar really do have a lot in common, lol 50. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brendan Gaughan was just on PRN, and he defended both Kyle Larson and Trevor Bayne over what happened, saying that it was a bad call by Trevor's crew chief to add fuel while changing no tires because it only made his car loose, which showed on the restart as he chased the car up the hill and got into Larson. It wasn't anybody's fault, but the fact that neither of those teams changed tires didn't help. Also, he gave Johanna Long props on the air, and said that Sam Hornish, Jr. is on a mission to prove he's deserving of a Cup ride after being passed over for the Home Depot dud. 51. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chill, NASCAR lets us have older races at least, look at FOM and its douches. 52. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...and now that you mentioned that, the next thing you know, NASCAR actually WILL start removing every single old race from Youtube. I can definitely see them doing that in the future... 53. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How's the race going I was watching the first 1/4 of the race but my dad was bitching about the race so I gave him the tv so where is Austin Ty and Sale jr running? 54. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, I don't turn the longtime Keselowski family number until the 19th. Bayne's car might be ok. He is coming back up. Looks like he is about to pass Johanna so amybe BSPN will actually say her name for the first time all day. She has only been running in the Top 20 for the last 50 laps. With that being said, I would like to commend the broadcast team for their coverage of Bowman. He looks to possibly be the real deal and he has flown under the radar this year in the wake of Larsonmania. Nevermind, already up to 15th, Johanna back to 20th. We may never hear her name all day. 55. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Twas a valient effort Brad, now park it and focus on the Blue Deuce and Back2Back. 56. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenny: Austin 3rd, June 9th, Ty 10th. 57. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thx DSFF also what dose BSPN stand for? 58. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just noticed how horrible is the luck of JD Racing, hope they can carry on with 2 cars. 59. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You know, I really hope Hornish wins the championship this year. He deserves a second opportunity at Cup. Penske was really close to adding a third team with him for this year, so I'm sure if he wins the title it'll be a lock to move him up next year. And even if that doesn't happen, there's still other Cup rides that should be open next year, like the 55 MWR car or something. 60. Jim Davis posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "... like the 55 MWR car or something." That car will almost certainly go to Vickers. 61. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "like the 55 MWR car or something" Ugh, I'd hate to see a guy like Hornish whore himself out on those Aaron's commercials. "what does BSPN stand for?" It's ESPN with a "BS" replacing the "ES." 62. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @#60 I was gonna say the same thing 63. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That car will almost certainly go to Vickers." Reports suggest that MWR is searching for other viable options for 2014 to drive the #55 car. 64. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1 out, 2 to go... 65. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That car will almost certainly go to Vickers." Yeah, I know. I highly doubt that Penske will dump him (especially if he wins the championship) since he has stuck with him this long. But if there is no sponsorship for a third Penske car, I'm sure a car like the 55 could be a quality possibility. 66. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) so BSPN stabds for something like Bull Shit P? Network 67. Benjamin Lowe posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lot of these drivers are crashing and burning like the 1994 Philadelphia Eagles. 68. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The caution comes out so that Kyle Busch can catch up to Sam Hornish so he can pass him to win the race on the restart...or at least it seems that way to me. 69. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Parker Kligerman went behind the wall for a moment to repair the rear gear. I hope Kyle can get that car up to speed soon, because KBM seems to have taken a step backwards this season. 70. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Brad, park the damn thing before you screw up some NWide regular's day or hurt yourself (the order in which I am worried) and get prepared for tomorrow. You know, the Cup Series, the series you won the championship in last year, got a huge silver trophy, and cemented your name in NASCAR history forever, something that didn't happen after your 2010 NWide title. As for Hornish, they need to just terminate Logano's contract and do what they should have done for this year, put Sam in the 22 car. 71. Benjamin Lowe posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Schroder51 remember on the Bristol sprint cup page two years ago when Emperor Palpatine appeared on the comments section well that was me. 72. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't worry Schroeder, he doesn't even have to pass him on the track. 73. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is just a play on the "ES" part of ESPN and their propensity to promote a bunch of BS. 74. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, Kenny. "BSPN" doesn't stand for anything. It's an orphan acronym. The first two letters are the only ones that matter. The only difference between these drivers and the Eagles is that I actually pull for some of these drivers. The Eagles can stay terrible on a yearly basis for all I care. 75. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dayum, Papa Johns ad made me want Pizza, too bad that here it is just past midnight... 76. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Reports suggest that MWR is searching for other viable options for 2014 to drive the #55 car." I think another guy that could end up in that car is Ryan Newman. He'll probably be gone from SHR because of Harvick (unless they can resign Newman and get a bunch of sponsorship). I really hope The Vick doesn't get it though. He's had his opportunity in Cup. He couldn't get it done at Hendrick, and he had an optical illusion contract run for the no longer existing Red Bull team. Yeah, he did run great for MWR last year, but I would much rather see either an up and comer (perhaps Allgaier), a second chance guy (like Hornish), or an established guy (like Newman) get it. I don't want to see Vickers (or Sadler, as much as I like him) get it, just because they've had plenty of opportunities in Cup and they haven't really gotten it done. 77. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are you a European, Onion? 78. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yup. 79. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah lol I get now TY guys well I hope Austin wins jr gets a top 5 and Ty gets a top 10 for this race :) 80. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I honestly think the only races Nationwide regulars are going to win this year are the ones being run at tracks the Cup Series doesn't run at or doesn't share a weekend with. 81. Rusty posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Parker Kligerman brings his car to the garage only to find no problems...ouch. 82. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't want Elliott Sadler to get another opportunity because of how he held RPM hostage during the offseason prior to the 2009 season. The team didn't want him, and yet he sued to remain in that car. A.J. Allmendinger almost lost his ride because of what Sadler did (but luckily drove his ass off in a car that wasn't supposed to run the full season), and Reed Sorenson had to race for free to support Sadler's over-priced contract. He can just stay in the Nationwide Series, because that's the only series where he's worth a damn. 83. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr. just dove to pit road on the restart for a flat tire. 84. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey onion where in Europe do you live?(I've aways wanted to go there) 85. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He can just stay in the Nationwide Series, because that's the only series where he's worth a damn." I agree with you, and like I said, I actually like Elliott. Vickers is actually hanging with Kyle right now... 86. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) SHIT!!!!! 87. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers does what Vickers does. Looks like Hornish is going to end this "JGR show." 88. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol, Just like that, Hornish is back up there. He's the Matt Kenseth of NNS. 89. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenny: I live in Hungary, horribly bad place. 90. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Hornish doesn't win this race, I am going to be MAJORLY bummed. 91. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But to get back on topic, I see Vickers winning this one and being so, so proud of beating people with the (probably) strongest car. 92. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Remember at Michigan 2009 when Vickers slowed down Kyle Busch and it allowed Brad to pass both and win the race? I'm hoping that Brad's teammate can do the same thing. 93. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh Hungary huh isn't that near russa or Germany? I'm unshire at the moment 94. hyperacti posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's like Sam's car isn't even affected by the bumps. His car just rolls right over them. Everyone else's cars shake, his just glides 95. Benjamin Lowe posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Sadler remember how BSPN dropped the ball by missing his horrific crash at Pocono a few years ago. 96. 13 posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i like Sam Hornish but for waht reason did he deserve the 22 cup ride over Logano? 97. loomer posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch: "You're not going to believe how fast that car is(Hornish). He's sideways and driving away" 98. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, either way Sam has shown he can take "Rowdy" any day. Nice to see. 99. AveryNH posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You know, with all the talk about Allgaier on the comments for the cup race I haven't seen much of him today. Muddling around outside the top ten. In fact I can't recall him being talked about once today. 100. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To me, Logano has shown no reason to deserve a Cup ride. Hornish has shown improvement after a miserable start to his NASCAR career when he was shoved up too fast. He hung in there, stayed positive, and he could do better IMO. 101. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I like Sam Hornish but for what reason did he deserve the 22 cup ride over Logano?" Hornish had more top fives in the final 18 Cup races last year than Logano. 102. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "i like Sam Hornish but for waht reason did he deserve the 22 cup ride over Logano?" Well, regardless of if he deserved it over Logano or not, he deserves a Cup ride. Penske recognizes that too. Like I said, I'd love to see him win the championship in NNS this year because he would put himself into contention for a Cup ride next year. 103. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, Alex Bowman rules by the way. 104. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alex Bowman is the real deal. He's my pick for Nationwide Rookie of the Year. 105. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "with all the talk about Allgaier on the comments for the cup race I haven't seen much of him today." Well he drives for Turner in a Cup-dominated Nationwide Series. You can't expect him to contend for top fives on a weekly basis. 106. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's happioning? 107. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish had the connection with Penske, who could field one good car and one/two backmarker car(s) many failed to notice it and tought Sam is horrible as a stock car driver, also he had little experience in NASCAR before 2008. Logano on the other hand had his ass licked from the very beginning, got undeserved rides and will finally fall on the face of the earth without being able to run JGR N'wide cars. On a personal note, I dislike both of them. 108. hyperacti posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That's dumb. Lagasse was well out of the way. 109. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want to give Ryan Sieg a shout out. I don't recall him being mentioned at all on BSPN (although PRN has talked about him), but he's been running top 20 all race for a single-car team with little funding. He's currently 17th on the race track. Solid run for him, and I think he's someone to watch out for if he ever gets a competitive ride. 110. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm really impressed with Pastrana too. A lot of people think he's just another Danica-esque marketing machine, but I think if he sticks with it, he'll be really really solid in a couple more years. Caution for Lagasse. It'll be an actual race now instead of a fuel derby. 111. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) D'oh, Scott Lagasse spun and caution bunches them up. Now I might want to see a GWC. Worst part is another owner-driver having difficulties. 112. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) F***! 113. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Pastrana is actually taking this seriously, and I agree that he could be a factor in this series with more experience. He ran great at Daytona and has been top 15 all race today. I expect to see him only get better as the season progresses. 114. AveryNH posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Personally I'm surprised more people didn't pit there. Things could get really dicey on this restart 115. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Logano on the other hand had his ass licked from the very beginning" lol, Can't get any truer than that... 116. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another torn up car for Larson. 117. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can tell already they're going to have a GWC finish to this race... Larson has had a REALLY tough day. 118. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Probably not his bad, still, I don't care about Larson, more sorry for Jimmy Means. 119. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terrific drive for Alex Bowman. 120. AveryNH posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think him popping the wheel off early mattered, as his steering was probably long gone before then 121. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Has the race ended already? 122. David posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sam Hornish, Jr. wins!! 123. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HELL YES 124. Schroeder51 posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, I like being proven wrong! Nothing better than seeing a Nationwide regular actually beat Kyle Busch for the win. Way to go, Hornish! 125. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell yeah! Great drive by Sam Hornish, Jr.! 126. Anonymous posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sam Hornish, you are King Kong!" What. 127. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sam! Made a mistake Brad and Roger. 128. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sam won that's cool Where did my boys finish? 129. murb posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm happy for Greg Erwin too. He got Roushed just because Biffle had a radio meltdown at Charlotte that one year. He's always been a good crew chief. Hopefully these guys can win the title this year. 130. New14 & 88Fan posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright Sideways Sam!! Nice job by Trevor Bayne coming back from the deal with Larson to finish 4th. 131. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenny: Austin:6 Ty:11 JR:14 132. We need more Onion posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hehe, Sam's Town... 133. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thx man well I hope Austin's in the top 5 in points now :) 134. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He got Roushed just because Biffle had a radio meltdown at Charlotte that one year." "Biffle's an idiot." - Kevin Harvick (the only Harvick statement I agree with) 135. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hehe, Sam's Town..." Haha that's awesome! This truly was the Sam's Town 300. 136. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Solid 10th place finish for Travis Pastrana. I see good things in his future once he gets more 4-wheel experience. 137. 83andJOe posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Hornish has shown improvement after a miserable start to his NASCAR career when he was shoved up too fast. He hung in there, stayed positive, and he could do better IMO. Hornish was one of the guys who got rushed into Cup from IndyCar when everybody decided "the next Tony Stewart" was the new "the next Jeff Gordon". Montoya was the only one who stuck, but of the rest, Hornish had Penske's loyalty which let him drop back and punt to N'wide, which is something Pruett and Franchitti never had. >I don't think [Larson] popping the wheel off early mattered, as his steering was probably long gone before then Except that's EXACTLY what got Eric Martin killed at Charlotte in ARCA back in '02 A steering column with the wheel off is a spear aimed directly at the heart. One hit by a misaimed car, and... >Sam! Made a mistake Brad and Roger. Speaking of Brad, was that him coming down pit road there at the end? 138. Anonymous posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, Sam probably has a huge lead atop the standings now. 139. Anonymous posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sam has a 19 point lead, and theres a 3 way tie for 2nd. 140. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did Larson seriously take his steering wheel off while the car was still moving? I had to leave the room for a few minutes as that wreck happened and didn't see the aftermath or the cause of that incident. If that's the case, that was the dumbest thing a driver has done all season; even dumber than Jimmie Johnson taking his hands off the steering wheel while his car drifted back into traffic in the 2012 Daytona 500. Someone should have a serious talk with him about not doing that because, as 83andJoe pointed out, that can have serious consequences and repercussions to the driver. "Speaking of Brad, was that him coming down pit road there at the end?" That's what I thought. 141. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Hornish and the #12 team! Hopefully they can be players in this year's championship battle. 142. Talon64 posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Sam! Made a mistake Brad and Roger." Funny that Hornish's 2nd Nationwide in 69 starts is supposed to stick it to the driver with 2 Cup wins and a crap load of Nationwide success. Especially when the latter driver is ridiculed for his Nationwide success, of which there is a lot. That aside, great job by Hornish and the #12 team today. With Keselowski getting up there to lead laps early I wonder if Penske can take it to JGR this season, especially on the intermediate tracks. 143. 83andJoe posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Did Larson seriously take his steering wheel off while the car was still moving? Yes, yes he did. True, the car was on fire, but... 144. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Funny that Hornish's 2nd Nationwide in 69 starts is supposed to stick it to the driver with 2 Cup wins and a crap load of Nationwide success." Logano won 9 Nationwide races last year driving the same car that Kyle Busch took to victory lane 38 times from '08-'11. It's not a coincidence that Kyle couldn't win a race when he was out of that car last season, and it's the same thing with Logano. That JGR Nationwide car padded his stats tremendously. He had 3x as many Nationwide wins as Brad did last year (9 to 3), and yet look who won the Sprint Cup title and look who finished outside the top 15 in Sprint Cup points for the 4th year in a row. Nationwide success doesn't translate into Cup success (especially since equipment played such a big role), and Joey Logano is a prime example of that. And may I remind you that Hornish had more top fives in the final half of the 2012 Cup season than Logano did. 145. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And may I remind you that Hornish had more top fives in the final half of the 2012 Cup season than Logano did." Ouch! 146. 13 posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah Logano also won at pocono last year passing one of the best did Sam do that? No. And look how much Sam got outperformed by Brad last year Sam never finished ahead of him last year in Cup 147. cjs3872 posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Paul, if you're right, and I have no reason to believe you aren't, no wonder Brendan Gaughan is not among the elite drivers, because it's obvious he didn't watch the same race I did. for that matter, it's very surprising that Dale Jarrett and Andy Petree made the same mistake, because Kyle Larson did drive down on Trevor on that restart, causing Bayne to lose control. When Bayne's car began to stumble, he was close to the white line, and Bayne called him out on that in his post-race interview, even admitting that he's made the same mistake. (How Bayne rallied to finish fourth, I'll never know.) But when his spotter was angrily calling out Bayne on the radio, Bayne, as he usually seems to be, was the one who calmed that situation down. can you imagine Ricky Steanhouse's attitude if that had happened to him at the hands of a rookie NNS driver? And by the way, did anyone else notice that, when he was batling the JGR drivers late in the race for third place (when it actually counted), particularly Elliott Sadler, that Bayne gave them more room than Larson did 85 laps into he 200 lap race. Something seems backwards there. It's almost as if Larson wasn't showing Bayne any respect, and they were lucky they didn't wipe out most of the field because of Larson's stupidity. And Larson's stupidity continued later on when he was an innocent victim of what happened to Joey Gase, when he took the steering wheel off before his final hit. Of course, he's not the only driver to do that. Another poster referred to the Eric Martin situation. But there's another case that was brought up in a broadcast years ago, as David Hobbs was recalling a conversation that A.J. Foyt and Dick Hutcherson had during the 1987 Daytona 500 telecast, and it was brought up in that conversation that the steering wheel came off in Foyt's hand. So Larson's hardly the only driver ever to do that. (Tom Sneva crashed on the second parade lap before the start of the 1986 Indianapolis 500 for that reason.) But the seeming lack of respect that Larson seems to be showing is starting to get on other drivers' nerves. Just imagine if it was a hot-tempered driver that Larson cause to have that problem, instead of the mild-mannered Bayne. Larson's going to cross the wrong driver on of thes days, and it's not likely to be pretty when he does. And another poster compared Bayne to Terry Labonte, and that coolness under fire sure showed today. In fact, Bayne's fourth place today was somewhat similar to Terry's second place finish in the 1997 Daytona 500, when Terry had every conceiveable thing go wrong in the first half of the race, yet had Bill Elliott kept Jeff Gordon down a hair longer, Labonte would have won that race. Now Bayne's fourth place comeback wasn't nearly on as grand a scale, of course, but it was similar to it in the way he kind of popped up back among the leaders at the end, seemingly from out of nowhere, so much so that even the commentators were surprised, almost as if they were saying "I forgot, that he was in this race". And that level head also showed in the pits when his spotter got mad, and Bayne pulled his team back together, along with his crew chief Mike Kelley, who's certainly in for a much different year this year. But if Bayne wind the championship, mark this race down as a key moment. And as for the dominance showed by Sm Hornish, Jr., I know his fans are sayng that it's about time Hornish showed NASCAR fans what people in IndyCar racing have known for years, and that is how good Hornish can be. After all, you don't win three championships and the Indianapolis 500 without being darned good. Not many drivers can say that, but among those who have done that are Foyt (6 titles and 4 Indy 500s), Al Unser, Sr. (3 titles, 4 Indy 500s), Mario Andretti (4 titles, 1 Indy 500), Dario Franchitti (4 titles, 3 Indy 500s), and Jimmy Bryan (3 titles, 1 Indy 500). Not bad company to be in, and Hornish is in that elite company, and now he might finally be able to show the NASCAR crowd just why he has those credentials. 148. 13 posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) also to anybody who didnt watch the race Mcclure did NOT start and park legit engine or tranny problem 149. cjs3872 posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In fact 13, there were only two start-and-parks in this race, which is the fewest I can remember in a Nationwide Series race without that many Cup drivers in the field. Seems that NASCAR found something in the shorter fields, because that was designed to decrease the number of S&Ps in the back of the field. What happened to Brendan Gaughan was just terrible luck where the weather is concerned, and who could've planned that for Las Vegas. But it's not the first time NASCAR's done this. In 1970, they reduced the number of cars in the Daytona 500 from 50 to 40 to get rid of the junk at the back of the field, and they were forced to do the same thing at Talladega after Tiny Lund's fatal crash, because they started 50 cars in that race, though they should have learned that lesson after the 1973 Winston 500, which had a 60-car starting field, one-third of which was wiped out by lap 11. 150. Paul posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just imagine if it was a hot-tempered driver that Larson cause to have that problem, instead of the mild-mannered Bayne. Larson's going to cross the wrong driver on of these days, and it's not likely to be pretty when he does." Speaking of Brendan Gaughan, he's somebody you don't want to cross on the race track. We saw last year at Phoenix when German Quiroga got into him and again at Daytona when he tried to squeeze in between two rookie drivers just how hot-tempered he can be. Had Larson squeezed a guy like Gaughan on the race track that caused the two of them to get together, you can rest assure that Gaughan would have been fuming in his race car. "And another poster compared Bayne to Terry Labonte, and that coolness under fire sure showed today." That was me. The comparisons between the two are incredible. They both have that conservative driving style that has kept them from making mistakes that cost them positions on the race track, but are often surrounded by other drivers that aren't as cautious and as a result have a tendency to get caught up in others' messes. Plus, they both seem to have ice in their veins as neither of them get too excited over anything and don't seem to be bothered by pressure. And while they aren't drivers who will win 4-5 races on a yearly basis, they are drivers that will win 1-2 races every year, and while they aren't always at the front of the pack, whenever they are leading, they usually stay there. When Trevor took the lead on an early restart by changing just two tires, he was finally in clean air and just drove away from the rest of the field. Of course, he lost the lead when he was among the few lead lap cars to pit the following caution period and lost it again when he and Larson got into each other. But had those two incidents not happened, I think Bayne would have run away with this race because his car was very fast, as seen from his 4th place finish after damaging his right front when he and Larson got together, and he seems to be a driver that won't relinquish a lead once he finally gets it. Bayne and Hornish are definitely my favorites to win the Nationwide title. I see Vickers making too many mistakes that eventually come back to bite him this season, as he almost wrecked on several occasions in this race, and I just don't see the fire in Elliott Sadler that would suggest that he'll be a serious title contender. Last year I saw that out of him, but this year he just seems like a top five driver at best, and I don't expect him to get many victories. So far Hornish is the class of the field, but if Bayne can pull out a couple victories, or if Hornish runs into a bad luck spell along the way like he did late last season, the two of them could have a nice Ford vs. Ford battle for the championship. 151. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Larson's going to cross the wrong driver on of thes days, and it's not likely to be pretty when he does." I think you're right. Larson's young and just starting out so I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, but if it continues on too long, he'll be one of those drivers who I most likely won't care for. 152. 83andJoe posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #14 sponsor: Hefty / Reynolds Wrap #19 sponsor: Hefty / Reynolds Wrap 153. Matt L posted: 03.09.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Las Vegas isn't my favorite track, so I found the first half of the race to be pretty dull. However, there was some great racing in the final laps. Even better, it was between all Nationwide regulars. It was great to see only 3 Cuppers in the race this weekend (with only 1 in contention in the end) Nice win for Sam Hornish Jr, he earned that win having to defend the lead from Kyle Busch twice near the end. He not only kept the lead but pulled away from the #54. Brian Vickers was a contender all day and earned his second top five in his fourth start for Joe Gibbs. Austin was the best of the Dillon brothers, finishing in sixth. Ty finished 11th and ended his streak of top 10's. Brad Sweet finished 12th in his 2013 debut, tying Jimmie Johnson as the best finish for the #5 so far this season. Mike Bliss finished 17th driving Eric McClure's backup car. It looked like the Hefty/Reynolds Wrap logos were still on the car, but the car wasn't on tv very often. Johanna Long won the Danica Award for highest finishing female in the Nationwide race- 19th. Johnny Davis Racing is off to a rough start to 2013. Both cars had problems today, resulting in both cars falling out of the top 30. Wallace & Efland will have to time into the field at Bristol. Kevin Lepage drove the #74, filling in for Mike Harmon who was ill this week. Believe it or not, Harmon is locked into the field at Bristol next week. Running the distance does pay off at the beginning of the season. 154. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Still just so happy for Sam. Hopefully Penske's NWide program puts on a full press to get the #12 team the championship, and use the #22 car as a test car (not officially of course). To me, it is abundantly clear Sam deserves a Cup ride more than Logano. Joey is still the same driver he was in 2009. A 15th to 20th place driver at best. This is going to be 5 years now. Sam stuck it out, never called anyone out for leaving him to the wolves and has improved. Also, a hell of a recovery by Bayne. I see big things for him in the future. Oh well, game time. Go Heels, beat dook! 155. I love Japan posted: 03.09.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great race again. I'm not even going to criticise Vickers cause I have said what you needed to know forever ago. Hornish is a likable guy. I really believe he is going to be the Nationwide Champion. And I sincerely believe in all my heart that the Nationwide Series is at long last Nationwide again and not Cup-Lite. 156. Kenny posted: 03.09.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just what happioned to Brad K why did he finish 37th? 157. 13 posted: 03.09.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) good job by Pastrana to top 15 all day top 10 when it counted! 158. Dave #38Fan posted: 03.09.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Pastrana's been really impressive this year. I had him picked for maybe 2 top tens all season if he was lucky, he's had 2 in the first 3 races. Alex Bowman ran a great race, he got in the top ten with some pit strategy and stayed there the rest of the day. He got loose trying to make a pass with about 5 laps left that cost him a few spots, dropping from 5th to 7th, and eventually 8th, but all in all a good day. The broadcast reported that he sought out Mark Martin this weekend for advice as Bowman has never ran a race at Las Vegas in any series, and that clearly payed off. He even got a shout out from Martin on twitter on how good he was running. Bowman won the Sunoco rookie of the race award for the second time in three races this season, and if not for being involved in an early wreck not of his making last week, he could be top five in points. 159. Talon64 posted: 03.09.2013 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Alright the Logano hate fest, that's now morphing into a Hornish love fest, is really starting to get out of hand here. It's starting to resemble what people (BRONCO) were saying about Brad Keselowski back in 2010 and early 2011, when he was running like shit in Cup and could only perform well in Nationwide. It's bordering on irrationality, and for the same people who backed Keselowski during that time to be laying the criticism on Logano like this is surprising, to say the least. Or not, because things like a driver fighting tooth and nail for his ride or having the way paved for him in his career are getting in the way of what these drivers have ACTUALLY PRODUCED ON THE f**kING RACETRACK. "Logano won 9 Nationwide races last year driving the same car that Kyle Busch took to victory lane 38 times from '08-'11. It's not a coincidence that Kyle couldn't win a race when he was out of that car last season, and it's the same thing with Logano. That JGR Nationwide car padded his stats tremendously. He had 3x as many Nationwide wins as Brad did last year (9 to 3), and yet look who won the Sprint Cup title and look who finished outside the top 15 in Sprint Cup points for the 4th year in a row. Nationwide success doesn't translate into Cup success (especially since equipment played such a big role), and Joey Logano is a prime example of that. And may I remind you that Hornish had more top fives in the final half of the 2012 Cup season than Logano did." That top 5 was Hornish's only top 10 in the #22 last year. Not only did he not do any better than AJ in the #22 but you could argue he did worse, since AJ showed more of a propensity of running in the top 10 while Hornish managed to throw away a couple of potential top 10's late in races. Logano's performance in the #20 last year was closer to his teammate's form than what Hornish did in the #22 last year. Hamlin had a good season with his 5 wins but couldn't finish top 5 in points, and while Kyle had far better overall results than Logano did they each had 1 win and missed the Chase. Hornish was an also-ran while Keselowski was winning the championship. The fact that everyone wants to ignore is that Logano, for every year he's been full time in the Cup Series, has been the youngest full time driver. 4 straights year, and I think he still is this year as well. The only other driver to moved into Cup full time as a teenager was Kyle Busch, speaking of whom is still about the 3rd or 4th youngest full time Cup driver. That probably speaks more to the lack of young new talent in Cup in recent years. So everyone's ready to give up on the 22-year-old who's won at the Cup level, who's shown flashes and had good stretches at the Cup level, for the 33-year-old former open wheel driver who's needed 6 years in NASCAR just to learn how to win races at the 2nd-tier level. The thing is though? The way Hornish delivered today and the good start he's had, even through just 3 races, makes me think Hornish could actually win this Nationwide championship. If he can keep this up and pull it off, or at least just win some races and contend right until the end, then he'd be more than deserving of a 2nd shot at Cup next season. Hell even if he wasn't, Penske would probably give him a ride anyways given how he's stuck with Hornish, but that'd have to be in a 3rd car. There's just no conceivable way to me that Hornish is "abundantly" more deserving of a Cup ride than Logano, or more deserving at all, or that Logano isn't the one who does deserve the #22 ride more. 160. cjs3872 posted: 03.09.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dave #38 Fan, could it be possible that Michael Waltrip may be grooming Alex Bowman for a future Cup ride in one of his cars, because that's the same team where Trevor Bayne and later Travis Pastrana got their start, and I believe that Waltrip was grooming Bayne until sponsorship ran dry and Bayne fell into Roush's (and by extension, the Wood Brothers') lap. In fact, Bayne won three successive poles for that team when it was known as Daimnod-Waltrip Racing. Then Pastrana also got his birth in the Nationwide Series for that same team. Both are now driving for Roush's NNS team. But with Mark Martin not long for the #55 Cup ride and Martin Truex, Jr. needing to step it up in the #56 car, could Waltrip actually be grooming Bowman for one of those two cars? After all, Martin gave him a shout out and h drives for was is effectively an R&D team for Waltrip. Could we actualy see Bowman in one of Michael's Cup cars in two or three years if he continues to progress? And DSFF, calling Bayne's fourth place finish after his run-in with Kyle Larson a heck of a recovery is a vast understatement. In fact, it was a minor miracle considering the damage that had to be done. Yet, the ESPN commentators seemed to be putting more of the blame on him than on Larson, and Larson dove down too close to Bayne's car on that restart, which caused that incident to happen. In fact, when he was battling the JGR cars for third place in the final laps, he gave them more room than Larson gave him on that restart 87 laps in. To me, that's backwards thinking, because 87 laps in is when you give a little more room and near the end is where ou give a little less. Bayne showed something that Larson didn't, and that was respect, and Bayne called him out on it in his post-race interview. And if Paul is right, we may be seeing another Terry Labonte-like driver in Bayne, one that is fast and usually doesn't make errors, and always seems to be there at the finish, because even the ESPN comentators seemed shocked when they saw Bayne that high up in the running order late. And how many times did we see Terry come from seemingly nowhere to finish among the leaders when he had a good car. Benny Parsons was also that way. Parsons always ran with stealth, but if his car was right, he was almost always among the front runners when it counted. 161. 83andJoe posted: 03.09.2013 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) - Elliott Sadler's 200th Busch/Nationwide start - Best career finish for Travis Pastrana (tied Daytona), Ryan Sieg, Dexter Stacey 162. 83andJoe posted: 03.09.2013 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Just what happioned to Brad K why did he finish 37th? Suspension failure resulted in the splitter dragging and his being black flagged for not meeting minimum speed(!) followed by many laps on pit road being repaired. 163. Ed posted: 03.09.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First lap led by Jeffrey Earnhardt in a non-restrictor plate race 164. Jim Davis posted: 03.09.2013 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Johanna Long won the Danica Award for highest finishing female in the Nationwide race- 19th." She's fortunate to finish the race after that Amber-esque fiasco at Phoenix last week. I'll wager that many of her victims from last week would have considered some payback had they not been running up front this week. 165. ch posted: 03.09.2013 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Changes: 00 - Headrush Apparel 2 - Whitetail (No Space) 10 - TriStar Motorsports 23 - R3 Motorsports / Golden Gate Casino (No North Texas Pipe logos) 30 - Worx Yard Tools (Added 'Yard Tools' to the hood for those who did not know what Worx is) 40 - The Motorsports Group 42 - The Motorsports Group 44 - American Custom Yachts 51 - Clements Automotive 55 - VIVA Motorsports 74 - Mike Harmon Racing 99 - Port of Tucson / St. Jude's (Same as last week) 166. JP88 posted: 03.09.2013 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Just what happened to Brad K why did he finish 37th? Sorry...I picked him to win the race, my bad. Anyway happy for Sam, the win really meant a lot to him, you could tell. Bowman and Pastrana were super impressive and Bayne had a heck of a comeback, although why is everyone ragging on Larson so much? Bayne has to still control his car when someone gets to his door. 167. 1995z71 posted: 03.09.2013 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another bad break for Kyle Larson. What was up with Lepage in Mike Harmon's car?! 168. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2013 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "It's starting to resemble what people (BRONCO) were saying about Brad Keselowski back in 2010 and early 2011, when he was running like shit in Cup and could only perform well in Nationwide." The difference is Brad got his Cup career turned around after a year and 1/3 (to put it mildly!). Plus he spent his first year in the #12 car which had produced very little in the previous 5 years. Joey took over a 2 time champion team and has spent four solid years doing the exact same thing, running 15th to 20th with an occasional Top 5 run here and there. "And if Paul is right, we may be seeing another Terry Labonte-like driver in Bayne" No offense to The Iceman, but I hope not. I know everyone can't be as dramatic on the track as Earnhardt or Swervin Irvan, but holy cow Terry was duller than a butter knife. He is a two time champion, but were it not for Dale's antics in two Bristol Night Races ('95 and '99) would we remember anything about him? "She's fortunate to finish the race after that Amber-esque fiasco at Phoenix last week. I'll wager that many of her victims from last week would have considered some payback had they not been running up front this week." I don't think so cause that was an isolated incident for her. She overcooked the corner, slammed Sam, then her radiator dropped water all over the track. It wasn't a super reckless move, just a misjudgement that turned ugly. 169. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but were it not for Dale's antics in two Bristol Night Races ('95 and '99) would we remember anything about him?" I'll always remember Terry for being the final winner of the Labor Day weekend Southern 500. Also, who could forget that it was he who finished 2nd to "The Immortal" Derrike Cope in the 1990 Daytona 500. "What was up with Lepage in Mike Harmon's car?!" Harmon was sick and asked Lepage to drive his car for him. "Bayne has to still control his car when someone gets to his door." Keeping control of a 3500 pound stock car while accelerating out of a corner on a bumpy track like Las Vegas with a car on your outside taking air off your car with worn tires and a full tank of fuel (making a loose race car even looser) is easier said than done. 170. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "She's fortunate to finish the race after that Amber-esque fiasco at Phoenix last week. I'll wager that many of her victims from last week would have considered some payback had they not been running up front this week." I'll wager that clean race car drivers like Sam Hornish, Jr. and Alex Bowman have already moved on from that incident and are focusing on racking off top tens and contending for wins to worry about a one-time incident involving a single-car team that struggles to get top 20 finishes. 171. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.10.2013 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, who could forget that it was he who finished 2nd to "The Immortal" Derrike Cope in the 1990 Daytona 500." I always see that car in that clip and in any clip and think it is Rick Mast. Poor Terry, he won two titles, conducted himself as professionally as anyone ever, never caused an ounce of trouble, but just never left that imprint. 172. b4il3y posted: 03.10.2013 - 1:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice job Sam. Keep proving you deserved that cup ride more than Joey :) Nice jobs to Alex Bowman, and Travis Pastrana for good lead lap finishes. Maybe Travis does have a future in this closed cockpit business! 173. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 3:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I always see that car in that clip and in any clip and think it is Rick Mast." Haha! Oh that's gotta sting for a 2-time champion to be confused for a winless Cup driver. Oh well, in Terry's defense, he only drove that #1 Skoal car for one forgettable season, so it's easy to forget. It'd be no different than seeing the #5 Levi Garrett car in a 1990 clip and confusing Ricky Rudd to being Geoff Bodine. (I even make that mistake when playing NR2003, as I'll usually refer to Rudd as Bodine, even though Bodine is in the #11 car.) A great comparison is comparing Terry's stats to those of Mark Martin. They are the most experienced active Cup drivers, each having over 800 career starts, and yet there's no comparison in their statistics. Mark smokes Terry in every notable statistic, including wins (40 to 22), top fives (271 to 182), top tens (449 to 361), and poles (56 to 27), but doesn't have the one thing that Terry does have: A championship. Mark should be ranked much higher than Terry in the all-time rankings, but it's almost like the very fact that Terry had two championships to Mark's five runner-up championship finishes sort of cancels out Mark's advantage on the stat sheet, and so they are ranked much closer than they probably should. Don't get me wrong, they are both Hall of Famers. But Mark is an all-time great and one of the best without a championship (possibly the greatest modern era driver without a championship), while Terry is towards the bottom of the list of great drivers because of his very conservative driving style. The only time I ever saw Terry drive aggressively was in the closing laps of the 1999 Bristol night race, when he drove up from 5th to 1st in the final five laps (largely because he had fresh tires and those in front of him didn't), and he wound up getting dumped by Earnhardt on the final laps for his troubles. 174. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 3:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "never caused an ounce of trouble" Well, I do remember vividly of the final lap of the 2003 spring Pocono race when he ran into the back of Jeff Green on the straightaway and turned Green towards the inside guardrail at about the same spot that Steve Park hit it the year before. I don't know whether it was accidental or what, but I can't imagine Terry either being careless on the track and accidentally wrecking a guy OR intentionally wrecking someone. It doesn't change the fact that he was one of the true class acts in the history of NASCAR, but it was at the very least an odd moment in Terry's otherwise mostly error-less career. 175. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 3:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Correction: It was the final green flag lap. That wreck brought out the caution and the final two laps were run under caution. 176. murb posted: 03.10.2013 - 3:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It'd be no different than seeing the #5 Levi Garrett car in a 1990 clip and confusing Ricky Rudd to being Geoff Bodine." lol, I was doing that a lot last year with the 22 Cup car. I kept thinking it was Kurt. 177. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 3:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "lol, I was doing that a lot last year with the 22 Cup car. I kept thinking it was Kurt." Haha, you clearly weren't listening to the dramatic changes in the #22 car's radio transmissions. 178. jabber1990 posted: 03.10.2013 - 9:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) speaking of Kurt they say that once you are a part of Penske you are forever a part of the Penske family ...does that still apply to Kurt? 179. cjs3872 posted: 03.10.2013 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, that #1 Skoal car that Labonte drive in 1990 and Rick Mast drove from 1991-'96 actually began as the #55 that first Benny Parsons, then his younger brother Phil drove beginning in 1983. And from 1986-'91, that car finished out of the top five in the Daytona 500 just once (1987), and was one of the best cars in the early modern-restrictor plate races, as Phil Parsons was third in the 1988 Daytona 500, then won the Winston 500, and was always around the lead in 1988 and '89 on the plate tracks, then Labonte finished second, giving Geoff Bodine a thrill on the way to doing so when he got dead sideways right in front of him (Bodine pitted seconds later, not just for fuel, but also to slow his heart down after seeing that), and then Rick Mast finished fourth in the 1991 Daytona 500, leading the halfway lap along the way. So that Skoal Classic car was always a contender at Daytona and Talladega, no matter who drove it. And as for not remembering Labonte for anything other than his win in the 2003 Southern 500, that tells me you haven't been around the sport very long, because Labonte also won that race in 1980, by avoiding the oil that got three top-tier drivers in trouble, won a championship with Dale Inman as his crew chief in 1984, twice won the All-Star Race (11 years apart), and won the very race in which he tied Richard Petty's consecutive start record in 1996, which was his first salvo in his second championship season, 12 years after his first. And almost forgotten in the whole "block in the grass" incident in the 1987 All-Star Race was that it was Terry Labonte that just about stole that race when that happened, and kept the pressure on Earnhardt after that. Those who raced against Labonte would probably tell you that he was as tough as anyone else was. He just didn't make a show of it like Dale, Sr., Darrell Waltrip, Tim Richmond, Ernie Irvan, Rusty, and later, Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson would. And DSFF, he may have been dull, but when his car was right, he got the job done, and the 23 years that spanned his first and last wins are surpassed only by Richard Petty. And he almost broke that record at Sonoma in 2006, because he almost won that race. And Labonte was one of those drivers that, the tougher the track, the better he was. Darlington, Rockingham, Pocono, as well as the short tracks and road courses were his best tracks, and were among the toughest tracks in the era he was best in. 180. ch posted: 03.10.2013 - 12:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The owner of the #5 should be JR Motorsports. That applies to all three races this season. 181. CBASS posted: 03.10.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sponsor updates #6 WFG/ TransAmerica #60 KMC Wheels #31 Brandt Professional Agriculture #8 Are You Tougher Than A Boy Scout?/ Hybrid Light #24 I Am Second #55 VivaAutoGroup.com #79 Uponor Plumbing Systems/ Re-Load.biz #15 Western Baking Corporation #23 Golden Gate Hotel & Casino #77 Toyota "Let's Go Places" #32 Clear Men Scalp Therapy #52 Donate Life Nevada #00 Headrush 182. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.10.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I personally have Mark ranked higher than Terry. The problem with Mark is his horrible luck when he has great seasons. He had the misfortune of having his best season, his 7 win '98 campaign the same year Gordon had his 13 win season and was practically unbeatable from early Summer onward. He had an outstanding 1990 season, but that went against Dale's 2nd besst season ever, and possibly his greatest driving performance ever getting 9 wins with the dreaded Lumina even winning the season pole award (!!!). And I know they had the 46 point penalty early and lost by only 26 points, but I still say, knowing Jack Roush, had they had those extra 46 points, they would have gone into conservation mode and Dale would have eaten them alive. Terry had his "Top 5 Machine" season in '96 the year from '95-'97 when Jeff collapsed enough to allow somebody else to pounce. What if Mark has his '98 season in '96, and his '90 season in '91? 183. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, like I've said many times before, I started watching NASCAR in 2002, so there are very few Terry Labonte highlights that I saw in person. And even though I've watched plenty of old highlights involving Terry, including the wild last lap of the 1980 Southern 500 in which he beat David Pearson by about a foot to the line after the top 3 cars all hit oil on the final lap, I wasn't going to list all of them. I listed his 2003 Southern 500 victory because that was his only victory that I saw live, and I facetiously listed his runner-up finish in the 1990 Daytona 500 to Derrike Cope. Obviously he had more highlights than that, but I intended on my post being short and that's why I only listed two. 184. Paul posted: 03.10.2013 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually DSFF, I don't think Mark would have won the '96 title even if he had his '98 season stats during '96. His average finish was lower than that of Terry Labonte's '96 average finish, and he had just one more top five and two more top tens that Terry despite there being two more races in '98 than there was in '96. Of course, he did lead almost twice as many laps as Terry and he might have still won the title on bonus points, but without doing the math and just looking at some key statistics, I think Mark would have lost the '96 title if he had to go up against Terry Labonte. I do however think he would have won the '91 title had his '90 season occurred a year later. Dale's drop in every key statistic, including five fewer wins in '91 than he had in '90, suggests that Mark would have for sure had a better chance of winning it in '91. But then again, if what you say about Roush getting conservative and losing title because of his change in philosophy late in the season is true, then Mark might have lost anyways just because he would have been going up against The Inimidator, who certainly would have stepped up his game if it was he who had to do the chasing. 185. murb posted: 03.10.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't really have a specific memory of Terry Labonte. I started watching in late 1997/early 1998 when I was about three years old. So I just remember Terry being around, and being really, really solid. If there is any championship that Mark Martin should have won (other than 1990), it's 2002. He beat Tony in the last three races and cut the lead down to 38. But if he had been more aggressive and gotten a couple wins in those races like he should have (most notably at Rockingham against Johnny Benson and Phoenix where he led laps and contended), he probably would have won the championship. 186. cjs3872 posted: 03.10.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, I also have Mark higher than Terry on my list I have Mark in the mid-teens while I have Terry in the mid-20s), due mainly to having nearly twice as many wins (40-22) and not having the extreme ups and downs that Terry had in his career. And oddly, despite being in the Cup series for so long, I don't remember the two of them having many battles with each other, though they obviously had to have some. And Paul, I wasn't sure exactly when you started to follow the sport, but actually you bring up the 1990 Daytona 500, in which he finished second. That was actually one of his better races, and one typical of the way he raced. And DSFF would have liked the way he scared Geoff Bodine around lap 140 by getting dead sideways directly in front of him. As I said, Bodine had to pit, not just for gas and tires, but also to calm himself after seeing that. 187. Ken posted: 03.10.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Terry has made his mark, he wasn't flashy but he had longevity. Shame Eric McClure had another blown engine. It must sting when the team your on also owns Pro Motors.. 188. Daniel posted: 03.11.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bristol entry list: 43 entered -Danny Efland in the #4 -Chris Buescher in the #16 -John Wes Townley in the #25 -Michael McDowell in the #27 -Kevin Harvick in the #33 -J.J. Yeley in the #42 -#51 TBA -Kevin Lepage in the #86 189. Daniel posted: 03.12.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) -Morgan Shepherd now in the #89 190. Jim Davis posted: 03.13.2013 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jeremy Clements is off suspension and will be back in the #51 for Bristol. 191. Frank posted: 06.19.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Webmaster, funny to see Brian Keselowski among the race leaders. It's not the first time I note this kind of an error - saw Jutsin Allgaier in one of Iowa's races. Looks like lap leaders table are full static, isn't it? :) 192. The Long Shot posted: 06.26.2013 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew: none 193. ch posted: 07.18.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #77 Sponsor: Toyota 194. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 08.07.2015 - 10:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Update #98 Fred Biagi (Same for all 14 races that the #98 ran in 2012) Curb Records where just the sponsor and Fred owned the car. Jon Hanson is still the Crew Chief of the #98 car in 2015 and the listed owner is Fred Biagi not Mike 195. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 08.07.2015 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *#98 Fred Biagi (Same for all 14 races that the #98 ran in 2013) 196. nascar_vd / racing-reference.info posted: 08.07.2015 - 10:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nascar Lead lap Points, in most situations we must use the classification of NASCAR. The owner's name is used by NASCAR to award ranking points owners. Sometimes a team uses the name of another owner to take advantage of its points. So in this situation, NASCAR awarded points for Mike Curb. No matter if he has any involvement in the team or not. Here, sometimes we indicate by ease of understanding the name of a team (JR Motorsports for example) or an "generic" owner as Jack Roush. While in reality the NASCAR awards points to John Henry for the #17 in Cup (name of the owner of Kenseth). Ditto this is not Roger Penske gets points for # 22 of Keselowski but Walter Czarnecki. It's complicated to find a solution that will work every time. 197. Maverick19 posted: 12.19.2016 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What is it with 1-win championship contenders winning at Vegas? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: