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  1.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:06 pm
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Ladies and gentlemen, Episode 6 of "How Will Austin Dillon Screw Up A
Golden Opportunity This Week?"


  2.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:06 pm
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Austin Dillon with another pole...


  3.   Kenny posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:07 pm
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Love the car Kurt is gonna be driving in this race :D


  4.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:08 pm
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Looks like Dexter Stacey paid Jeff Green to withdraw so that he could
make the race.


  5.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:10 pm
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That City Chevrolet car is really cool, as are the uniforms of the
driver and crew. Really fun to see. But he needs to leave the lines to
the pros. Kurt as the character modeled after Tim Richmond? Two totally
different personalities.


  6.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:12 pm
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So, how many poles is Austin Dillon going to win this year? 10? 15?


  7.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:16 pm
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Fortunately, poles are meaningless... even Patrick Carpentier won a Cup
pole...


  8.   Jay posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:19 pm
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How is Mike Harmon racing? I though he was in jail.


  9.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:20 pm
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Harmon posted bail the day he turned himself in.


  10.   Daniel posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:21 pm
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In using fastest 40: #00 Blake Koch

Out using fastest 40: #4 Landon Cassill


  11.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:23 pm
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Not that it matters anymore, but Jeff Green's qualifying time was less
than 1/100 of a second slower than Matt Kenseth's. Is it beyond a
reasonable doubt that Green could still be a championship contender if
he was in better equipment?


  12.   Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:36 pm
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The Long Shot-when Jeff Green was subbing for Eric McClure last year, he
performed equal with Mike Bliss, if that team had better equipment and
had solid funding for Bliss, Green, and Whitt, they would be one of the
best teams in the series.


  13.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:38 pm
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"Is it beyond a reasonable doubt that Green could still be a
championship contender if he was in better equipment?"

I'm sure he could run good. He's always been really underrated. He's
obviously a former NNS champion, but even in Cup he wasn't that bad. His
RCR run was actually pretty good considering the bad shape they were in
as a team during that time, he probably could have been good if he had
more time in the 1 car at DEI, and he got five top tens for Haas CNC
racing during his stint there.

Obviously he's always been a great minor league driver though, so it
would be cool to see him in an RCR NNS car or something for a few races
(like the 33). He could probably sneak in some good runs.


  14.   ch posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:38 pm
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"Is it beyond a reasonable doubt that Green could still be a
championship contender if he was in better equipment?"

Considering that, in qualifying at Daytona, it's the equipment that
matters, I would say that the fact that Green was less than 1/100 of a
second slower than Matt shows that the equipment really isn't bad.


  15.   sk posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:40 pm
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In five of the six races Green finished last year (for TriStar), he
finished in the top-20. I don't think he'd be a championship contender
but there is no question he'd be a top-ten threat every week in quality
equipment. Hard to think of a greater talent being wasted on the
start-and-park today than Green.


  16.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:47 pm
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Another nugget: had Green not withdrawn, all 4 Tri-Star Motorsports cars
would have qualified in the top 25 for the first time since Kansas last
October.


  17.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:56 pm
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I think it will be a good race with, hopefully, no major accidents. With
the plate package they use, I'm predicting about 40 lead changes.


  18.   jabber1990 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 4:59 pm
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what do the uniforms for the #1 team look like?


  19.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.05.2013 - 5:04 pm
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Jabber, just like they did in the movie.


  20.   Paul posted:
  07.05.2013 - 5:46 pm
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Jeff Green is the most wasted talent in the sport right now. TriStar
Motorsports has a great driver lineup with him, Mike Bliss, and Cole
Whitt, but unfortunately only have funding for two of them (and Eric
McClure, who while I like him, is only there because of his great
relationship with Hefty and Reynolds Wrap). I just wish Green could have
a full-time ride once again, regardless of how good the equipment is.
His limited performances last season in relief of Eric McClure, and then
in place of Tayler Malsam after his release, showed that he still has
what it takes to compete in this series.


  21.   NoLongerAnonymous posted:
  07.05.2013 - 5:55 pm
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I don't understand why respected veterans like Jeff Green even take
start-and-park jobs. I know some may say it's to keep their name out
there, but any team that would really hire a driver because he's
recently parked a car probably doesn't have very good management. I'm
probably wrong but I can't recall a start-and-park driver who was later
picked up by an actual race team. Jeff Green's one of the greatest
drivers in series history and instead of talking about that, he's got us
talking about his parking abilities. I just can't see how this could do
anything but harm to the reputation of a talented driver like Green.


  22.   Chives5150 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 6:04 pm
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One of my all-time favorite die-cast cars that I had while growing up
was Jeff Green's Nesquik Busch Series car.


  23.   We need more Onion posted:
  07.05.2013 - 6:15 pm
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NLA, he is also there to mentor young drivers.

For S&P drivers who made it, Brad Keselowski and David Gilliland come to
my mind.


  24.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 6:21 pm
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"One of my all-time favorite die-cast cars that I had while growing up
was Jeff Green's Nesquik Busch Series car."

I never had that diecast, but that was one of my favorite paint schemes
too. I did have a diecast of Green's Kleenex 32 car from 1999 though. I
wish I still had it.


  25.   83andJoe posted:
  07.05.2013 - 6:32 pm
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>I'm probably wrong but I can't recall a start-and-park driver who was
later picked up by an actual race team.

Landon Cassill


  26.   Paul posted:
  07.05.2013 - 7:06 pm
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Landon Cassill used start-and-parking as a way to resurrect his career.
He won Nationwide Rookie of the Year in 2008 for JR Motorsports but lost
his ride and was all but out of the sport in 2009 (I think he made just
one NASCAR start that season). So he humbled himself in 2010, driving
the #7 Nationwide car a couple times when Danica wasn't driving before
accepting an offer from Larry Gunselman to start-and-park his Cup car
for a few races. He did such a good job of parking that season (I
believe he qualified in 16 of his 18 attempts) for various teams that
when the time came for Phoenix Racing to find a replacement for Bill
Elliott four races into the 2011 season, the driver they called was
Landon Cassill, who drove all but a handful of the remaining 32 races
for that team. Since then, Cassill has driven for BK Racing, Circle
Sport, and JD Motorsports as well. Not exactly marquee teams, but
certainly opportunities that wouldn't have happened had he not taken on
the role of start-and-parker back in 2010.

@21: Had Green not taken on the role of start-and-parker for TriStar
Motorsports, he wouldn't have been given the opportunity to run a few
full distance races for them in 2012 after McClure's injury and Malsam's
release. Also, Green's new gig as a start-and-parker only affects his
legacy if you want it to. It doesn't change the way I feel about his
career, which I believe is one of the greatest in Nationwide Series
history. And his 2000 title season still stands as one of the best in
series history, even after the Cup teams and drivers took over.

@22: I don't have Green's #10 Nesquik car, but I do have the 2003
version of it after Scott Riggs took over. I also have Green's 2002 #30
AOL Chevrolet diecast.


  27.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 7:25 pm
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"I'm probably wrong but I can't recall a start-and-park driver who was
later picked up by an actual race team."

Casey Mears, David Gilliland, Aric Almirola, Dave Blaney, J.J. Yeley,
Travis Kvapil, David Stremme, and Landon Cassill spring to my mind,
although some of these drivers (Mears, Blaney, Yeley, Stremme) never
changed teams but were merely fortunate in that their teams ceased
start-and-parking. Brad Keselowski never did start-and-park, but he
drove for a team (Phoenix Racing) that normally did whenever he wasn't
in the car.


  28.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.05.2013 - 7:39 pm
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Tuned in just in time to see Bobby Allison. Awesome.


  29.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 7:41 pm
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NASCAR should have retired drivers like Bobby Allison give the command
before every race.


  30.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 7:46 pm
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This Days of Thunder stuff is really amusing, lol


  31.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 7:57 pm
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New leader, Cole Trickle


  32.   Jim Davis posted:
  07.05.2013 - 7:59 pm
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Is Jeff Green in the 70 instead of Tony Raines?


  33.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:01 pm
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I guess he is. It said "#70: J. Green" on their scoring thing, so unless
they are mistaken I guess he is.


  34.   joey2448 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:02 pm
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Yes, Jeff Green is in the 70 car in place of Raines.

Yikes, Cole Whitt just had a moment in turn three..


  35.   Kenny posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:05 pm
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Am I the only one useing racebuddy? Is this thing sticking for anyone
els?(racebuddy)


  36.   joey2448 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:08 pm
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Kurt over the radio: "Harry, we're not going any faster. Everybody else
is just going slower."


  37.   The Great Dave posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:30 pm
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  38.   The Great Dave posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:31 pm
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Also webmaster is it possible to get cars that withdrew on the DNQ list?
If so pu the #10 of Jeff Green on there,


  39.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:32 pm
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I'm glad to see NASCAR letting this race play out naturally instead of
gimmicky cautions.


  40.   Tyler posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:34 pm
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#44 Gold Bond/Moen(associate)


  41.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:34 pm
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Caution to help bunch the field back up together.


  42.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:35 pm
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And right after I post that the caution comes out for debris on the
backstretch.


  43.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:36 pm
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Don't hit the pace car, Kurt.


  44.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:36 pm
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Fake-o
yello


  45.   jabber1990 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:42 pm
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please clear something up

was City Chevrolet a dealership owned by Tim Daland?

or is it that dealership that Rick Hendrick owns?


  46.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:43 pm
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I just now realized that James Buescher is in this race.


  47.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:47 pm
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A little late murb... I kept finding 'murb' in my Boggle game...


  48.   OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:51 pm
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Maybe Cole Whitt will mess around and get a top five.


  49.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:51 pm
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"I kept finding 'murb' in my Boggle game..."

lol

Things are starting to ramp up now it looks like.


  50.   18fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:53 pm
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Those Penske cars are stout and do not separate at all.


  51.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:56 pm
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Reed Sorensen blows up.


  52.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 8:57 pm
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Reed Sorenson blew up, and we have a caution.


  53.   JG24FanForever posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:01 pm
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"was City Chevrolet a dealership owned by Tim Daland?

or is it that dealership that Rick Hendrick owns?"

Rick Hendrick.


  54.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:10 pm
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Vickers mowing the lawn.


  55.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:10 pm
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Vickers goes through the grass.


  56.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:10 pm
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Wild ride through the grass for Vickers.


  57.   Benny posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:13 pm
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so glad that this has been a clean race after what happened in february


  58.   18fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:14 pm
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Anything but a win for those Penske cars has to be considered a
disappointment since they've been so much faster than anybody else.


  59.   Chives5150 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:15 pm
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Kurt Busch is powered by ice cream.


  60.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:19 pm
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Caution for Mike Wallace being off the pace.


  61.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:19 pm
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Mike Wallace's car is extremely slow and the yellow comes out.


  62.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:19 pm
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Yellow for Mike Wallace's stalled car.


  63.   AveryNH posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:25 pm
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Scrapyard better get ready


  64.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:26 pm
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Yeah, it's coming.


  65.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:27 pm
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Come on Sideways Sam!


  66.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:28 pm
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Multi car crash...and a sure green-white-checkered.


  67.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:28 pm
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There it is. HATE that for Pastrana. He just has no luck.


  68.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:29 pm
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Hard hit for Jason White, I pray he's alright.


  69.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:29 pm
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Almost made it the entire race without any spin or accident.


  70.   13 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:29 pm
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Hope Jasons ok......


  71.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:29 pm
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I hope Jason White is okay. He climbed out of his car and then lied
down. He seems pretty shaken up.


  72.   Kenny posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:30 pm
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Hell yes Austin is leading


  73.   AveryNH posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:30 pm
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Cole whitt played a hand in that one. He was so slow down the back and
just blocking Trevor Bayne left and right. Bound to happen


  74.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:30 pm
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White is up walking around. Good to see.

There was just no way they were gonna get through those last laps
without a wreck.


  75.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:34 pm
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I actually thought that was Eric McClure who had taken the big hit
against the outside wall at first.

Great to see White and Pastrana get out of their cars, they both took
some big hits in that crash.


  76.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:36 pm
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Good grief, how many hits did Pastrana have in that crash?


  77.   Chives5150 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:37 pm
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Pastrana wanted to stay in the back to avoid everything and he still
ends up getting involved in the Big One.


  78.   Sky Warrior posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:43 pm
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Does that look like it could've been really similar to Dale Sr's wreck
had Jeffrey Earnhardt's car not been there?


  79.   13 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:43 pm
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Wow does Pastrana beat himself up or what, this sucks for him he has no
luck at all


  80.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:46 pm
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White flag!


  81.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:47 pm
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...how in the hell did they not destroy half the field racing like that?


  82.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:48 pm
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Well, I guess if a Cup guy had to win, I'm glad it's Kenseth.

HOW did they not wreck on that last lap (other than Brad Sweet's sweet
save)?


  83.   Sky Warrior posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:48 pm
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Terrible end to a pretty uneventful race. Buescher didn't even think
about going for the win, he just dropped off Buschwhacker's bumper off
of 4. If tonight was this bad, I can't wait for tomorrow's parade


  84.   aw posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:48 pm
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Congrats to James Buescher on making zero attempt to win.


  85.   13 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:49 pm
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Wish James could had won but Kenseths better than Kyle Busch


  86.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:50 pm
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Why didn't Buescher make an attempt? I thought it was his race to lose,
but no...just another race a Cup regular wins.


  87.   NoLongerAnonymous posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:50 pm
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I'm not going to say that race was rigged, but I really don't think
Kenseth should have been able to drive away from everyone no matter who
was behind him.


  88.   TS1420 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:50 pm
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Wow.
Buescher pulls a "Biffle".


  89.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:50 pm
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I'm okay with Matt Kenseth winning, he doesn't run has many of these
races as Shrub, Brad and Logano.

Thank goodness for no last lap crash(other than Brad Sweet's save out
back).


  90.   Anonymous posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:50 pm
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At least it wasn't just Logano pushing Hornish to the win


  91.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:53 pm
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I think the February race was the reason they were able to make it back
without a wreck, because I bet if what happened in February's race
didn't take place, there would have been a huge pileup there at the end.
They raced much more conservatively and there was a lot more
give-and-take than in February. They must have had that in the back of
their mind this entire race, and in my opinion, this race was great.


  92.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:55 pm
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I thought it was an okay race. Not the best Daytona NNS race ever, but
it was still good. It was nice to not have a total wreckfest for a change.


  93.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:56 pm
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I know this isn't politically correct, but I thought February was a much
more exciting race despite the bad crash.


  94.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:58 pm
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It seems like what happened to Beuscher's car on the last lap was the
same thing that happened to Kyle Busch at Talladega last year when he
suddenly got disconnected from Brad Keselowski's car and couldn't make
up the lost ground.


  95.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 9:59 pm
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"Why didn't Buescher make an attempt? I thought it was his race to lose,
but no...just another race a Cup regular wins."

"Terrible end to a pretty uneventful race. Buescher didn't even think
about going for the win, he just dropped off Buschwhacker's bumper off
of 4. If tonight was this bad, I can't wait for tomorrow's parade."

"Congrats to James Buescher on making zero attempt to win."


Oh lay off him, James had nothing for Matt on that last lap and any move
he would of made would of been blocked(and potentially lead to the
mother of all wrecks). No driver ever settles for second but Buescher
didn't really have anything for Matt.


  96.   Schroeder51 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:00 pm
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A mediocre race, but I would still take that finish over the ugly finish
to end all ugly finishes that was the spring race here.


  97.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:00 pm
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"I know this isn't politically correct, but I thought February was a
much more exciting race despite the bad crash."

I agree. I was unable to see one lap of this race due to the family
making a last-minute decision to go out, but you would have to have had
one heck of a race to beat the event back in February. Had it not been
for Larson's crash, that race would almost certainly go down as one of
the best and most competitive races in Daytona history.


  98.   83andJoe posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:02 pm
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>Also webmaster is it possible to get cars that withdrew on the DNQ
list? If so put the #10 of Jeff Green on there

NASCAR officialy does not list the #10 as a DNQ.


  99.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:03 pm
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"Oh lay off him, James had nothing for Matt on that last lap and any
move he would of made would of been blocked(and potentially lead to the
mother of all wrecks). No driver ever settles for second but Buescher
didn't really have anything for Matt."

Bull crap. The second place guy almost always passes the leader on the
last lap at restrictor plate tracks and he didn't even try. And it
almost never causes a huge crash. I can think of several last lap passes
in all the series, but only 2 big crashes as a result.


  100.   The Long Shot posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:08 pm
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"Bull crap. The second place guy almost always passes the leader on the
last lap at restrictor plate tracks and he didn't even try. And it
almost never causes a huge crash."

Almost never? Have you seen the 2009 Talladega spring race, the 2009
Daytona summer race, or the 2012 Talladega fall race? Were those not
last-lap passes gone horribly, horribly wrong?


  101.   NoLongerAnonymous posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:08 pm
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Zackary Shawn is exactly right, and if Kenseth's car was so strong where
Buescher couldn't even ATTEMPT to pass him coming out of 4 when they
were well clear of the pack, then there's a problem somewhere.


  102.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:12 pm
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"It seems like what happened to Beuscher's car on the last lap was the
same thing that happened to Kyle Busch at Talladega last year when he
suddenly got disconnected from Brad Keselowski's car and couldn't make
up the lost ground."

If people would go back and a watch a replay, they'll see that this is
exactly what happened. Buescher was moving around like he wanted to try
and make a pass, but he just became disconnected from Kenseth as they
were about to come into the trioval.


  103.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:19 pm
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"Almost never? Have you seen the 2009 Talladega spring race, the 2009
Daytona summer race, or the 2012 Talladega fall race? Were those not
last-lap passes gone horribly, horribly wrong?"

And what about 2006 Aaron's 499, 2007 Daytona 500 (which had a big crash
but not because of a last lap pass), 2008 Daytona 500, 2010 Aaron's 499,
2011 Aaron's 499, 2011 Good Sam's Club 500 race...All these had last lap
passes for the win and no big crash. Two of these races even had passes
in the trioval and still no wreck and this doesn't include Nationwide.
The big crash is the exception rather than the rule.


  104.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:24 pm
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"It seems like what happened to Beuscher's car on the last lap was the
same thing that happened to Kyle Busch at Talladega last year when he
suddenly got disconnected from Brad Keselowski's car and couldn't make
up the lost ground."

Busch wasn't on Keselowski's bumper heading into the trioval. He lost it
in turns 3 and 4. Buescher was still on Kenseth's bumper out of turn 4.
In my opinion, it's not the same thing.

2012 Aaron's 499 finish...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOi2-7SOL0


  105.   18fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:25 pm
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All night, no cars stayed together very long at all except the Penske cars.


  106.   18fan posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:26 pm
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They became disconnected, it was not that Kenseth's car was that much
stronger.


  107.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:38 pm
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Got to see Bobby Allison say the command, then missed everything else
running calls. Oh well, missed a Cupper win, big deal.


  108.   Watto posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:39 pm
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"Busch wasn't on Keselowski's bumper heading into the trioval. He lost
it in turns 3 and 4. Buescher was still on Kenseth's bumper out of turn
4. In my opinion, it's not the same thing."

Getting disconnected from your drafting partner = getting disconnected
from your drafting partner. Brad Keselowski at Talladega shifted his
line to make it happen, meanwhile some guys will use some brake to shake
the driver on your bumper, or it can happen simply by starting to look
outside or inside while not sealed up. It's not definitive that Buescher
intentionally threw the race for a Gibbs Toyota while driving a
factory-supported Chevrolet. He very easily could've become
disconnected, it happens all the time. Don't pretend your idea is the
only option.


  109.   13 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 10:43 pm
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Austin Dillon is good at sponsors he even mentioned Parker Kligermans
sponsor for him


  110.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 11:18 pm
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Does anyone think that Travis Pastrana's crash was a result of one of
the most lame-brained race strategies any team has ever devised? The
Roush team had both drivers lay so far back, that they were nearly
lapped, and when it was time to move to the front, they were so far back
in the field that there was nowhere to go. And that's a shame, because
they took away any chance that Trevor Bayne had of running up front, and
we know how good he is at the tandem style of racing. But they took his
fate out of his hands by one of the worst race strategies Roush or any
other team ever devised. This was far worse than what Hendrick did a few
years ago, because at least they kept their cars within sight, but
Roush's team had their cars run so far back that they had no chance.
Even so, Bayne ended up finishing tenth. Imagine what he might have done
if he had actually been given a chance.


  111.   ch posted:
  07.05.2013 - 11:19 pm
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Sponsor Changes:

01 - G&K Services
1 - City Chevrolet
3 - Advocare Spark
12 - PPG Envirobase High Performance
18 - Nyko PlayPad Pro / GameStop
31 - Brandt Trademark Nitrogen
51 - All South Electrical Constructors, Inc.
52 - Donate Life Florida
55 - Viva Motorsports (Same needed for last week at Kentucky)
60 - Roush Fenway Racing
77 - Bandit Chippers
87 - AM/FM Energy Pellet & Wood Stoves
92 - Maddie's Place (Same needed for Richmond)
98 - Spitfire / Curb Records / Denbeste Transportation
99 - Toyota Care


  112.   NoLongerAnonymous posted:
  07.05.2013 - 11:29 pm
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I've hated the sandbagging at restrictor plate races ever since my
favorite driver Dale Jarrett and company started doing it nearly every
time out in the early 2000s. It's a strategy that backfires just as
often as it works out and it's not really in the spirit of racing. But
at least Dale Jarrett would keep up with the pack and usually salvage a
decent finish. I don't see why you would pretty much risk going a lap
down just so you can have a high chance of missing the wrecks in the
first 3/4 of the race just so you have to drive that much more
aggressively to make up spots in the last 1/4. The Roush cars took
"laying back" too far tonight and I agree that it probably factored into
the accident.


  113.   joey2448 posted:
  07.05.2013 - 11:45 pm
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I think James Buescher got some pointers on how not to make any moves
for the win in the final laps from his cousin, Chris, who failed to step
up in the final laps of the ARCA race at Daytona in 2011....


  114.   murb posted:
  07.05.2013 - 11:50 pm
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Roush's strategy tonight was totally "lame-brained", as CJS put it. You
have a former Daytona 500 winner and a guy who was fast at Talladega
(before he crashed) as your two drivers. AND you also have the same
engines as the two cars that dominated the night. So why idiotically
hang WAY back like that when you could probably contend for the lead and
the win with your fast cars and good restrictor plate drivers?

I guess we can just tally this one up as another Jack Roush Strategy
Blunder.


  115.   13 posted:
  07.06.2013 - 12:11 am
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People need to quit bashing on Travis Pastrana, Some people on Roush's
Facebook page talk like he has literally crashed every race, Heres his
season rundown
1)Daytona 10th
2)Phoenix 28th involved in the Johanna Long, Sam Hornish incident
3)Vegas 10th
4)Bristol 16th solid debut for a rookie and Roush didnt have speed at
Bristol that weekend as Trevor Bayne who is pretty good there could only
manage 12th
5)Fontana 13th
6)Texas 33rd Had an engine problem i think, anyway he spent time in the
garage
7)Richmond 9th after running 30th for half the race
8)Talladega 36th typical restrictor plate crash
9)Darlington 28th Ok just ran terrible here and beat the wall to hell
10)Charlotte 33rd Ok he just crashed here
11)Dover 15th decent for rookie
12)Iowa 32nd got in a crash and slid down track and hit Max papis
13)Michigan 17th after a spin and damage to the left front wheel area
14)Road America 16th ran in top 10 for awhile, but got damage
15)Kentucky 15th qualified 2nd and had a top 10 car but i think some
strategy out him out of the top 10 before rains came
16)Daytona 34th Had anothe restrictor plate crash , although they did
have an absolutely horrible strategy plan

My point is Travis isnt doing that bad for a Rookie, he certainly isnt
setting the world on fire, but His worst run this year was Darlington
take that away and he is consistently running top 20 in a year where
even his teammates team who won the past 2 championships doesnt show any
real speed at the track week after week.


  116.   murb posted:
  07.06.2013 - 12:21 am
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I think Travis has done a fine job thus far. He's just had horrendous
luck over the last month or two. He's shown that he has potential on the
track, and he also has the right attitude to make it in Nascar. You can
tell that he wants it. Hopefully Jack will stick with him and continue
to let him grow instead of just canning him like he's done to numerous
other young/developing drivers.


  117.   Rexrobe posted:
  07.06.2013 - 12:26 am
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I'll agree Buescher did all that he could do - there was no real way to
get a run on Kenseth to try and win, and they were three wide behind him
where if he pulled out and fell back there would have been a second big
one because there was simply no room on the track. May as well take
second if those are your only choices.

I watched the race on DVR after making sure there wasn't another big
wreck - after seeing Dan Wheldon live, and the February accident, and
all the other big ones and hard hits, I just can't bear to watch a
restrictor plate race live anymore.


  118.   Rexrobe posted:
  07.06.2013 - 12:29 am
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Also, this was Jeff Green's first running at finish of the year, he has
DNF'ed at every other race he has ran. Out with a vibration 13 times in
15 races, you would think Tri-Star would have figured out the problem by
now...


  119.   Anonymous posted:
  07.06.2013 - 1:30 am
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The Buescher family seems to have a penchant for not making passes with
a race on the line


  120.   Anonymous posted:
  07.06.2013 - 2:12 am
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Was Bobby Gerhart having problems, or was he just ordered to hang far in
the back after the G-W-C? Didn't pass Brad Sweet, who completely lost it.


  121.   Hank1469 posted:
  07.06.2013 - 3:03 am
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In response to 13 :: Travis Pastrana has a average finish of 21.6 and 6
DNF's / Trevor Bayne has a average finish of 14.1 and 1 DNF and half his
starts have been top tens. Pastrana has 3 top ten's consisting of
9/10/10. He needs to start driving like he wants to win instead of being
so passive. Be more like Tony...


  122.   83andJoe posted:
  07.06.2013 - 3:55 am
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>Was Bobby Gerhart having problems, or was he just ordered to hang far
in the back after the G-W-C? Didn't pass Brad Sweet, who completely lost
it.

I think Gerhart got caught up in Sweet's mess and Sweet got back by him
in turns 3 and 4.


  123.   G posted:
  07.06.2013 - 7:25 am
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Jeff Green finishes the race. There's one highlight of the race tonight.


  124.   JRacingFast posted:
  07.06.2013 - 7:31 am
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Did anyone catch Matt Kenseth saying in the interview that "hes glad to
be running in the nationwide series again and that its fun" If memory
serves me correct i thought i saw somewhere earlier this year him saying
in an interview that he hates running these races and would just wanna
focus on cup.


  125.   Alex posted:
  07.06.2013 - 10:41 am
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Did anybody else catch Kenseth calling James Buescher by his cousin's
name, "Chris" in Victory Lane, instead of James??


  126.   13 posted:
  07.06.2013 - 10:50 am
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Alex
I noticed that to


  127.   Paul posted:
  07.06.2013 - 12:10 pm
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Buescher didn't just let Kenseth get the win, he became disconnected
with his rear bumper coming out of turn 4 on the final lap, which
happened to almost everybody in the race last night. It even happened to
Buescher earlier in the race while he was pushing Kyle Larson to the
lead, and the disconnect caused them to drop back. Even the Busch
brothers, who are two of the best at the tandem draft, couldn't stay
connected to another car for very long, and I recall one point in the
race when Kurt was pushing Brad Sweet, and there was a disconnect of
about 2-3 car lengths after Kurt's car basically shoved Sweet's car
forward. The only cars that could stay connected for long periods of
time were the Penske cars of Logano and Hornish. Buescher didn't lose
because he made no attempt to pass Kenseth, he lost because his car
couldn't stay connected to Kenseth's back bumper, allowing Kenseth to
sail straight into victory lane.

I didn't mind Kenseth's victory as much because a.) he doesn't run very
many Nationwide races, b.) he drives for a part-time team, c.) he always
sounds grateful whenever he goes to victory lane, no matter the series,
and d.) his crew chief Matt Lucas gave an emotional interview after
getting his first NASCAR win as a crew chief that made the victory a bit
of a sentimental favorite. I would have rather seen someone like
Buescher, Sadler, or Hornish get the victory, but if it had to be a Cup
driver, I don't have any problems with it being Matt Kenseth.

Very glad to know that Jason White laid down on the ground after getting
out of his wrecked race car due to having the wind knocked out of him,
not for any injury he may have suffered. His car just got squashed into
the wall after taking a driver-side hit from Pastrana's torpedoing car.

Had Roush allowed his two drivers to race up at the front like they did
at Talladega (although that wasn't even the plan for that race), they
very well might have avoided all the mayhem and both ended up with top
ten finishes or better. Cole Whitt was pretty much a sitting duck
because after he got separated from not one, but two drafting partners
in about two laps, he found himself right in front of Bayne and Pastrana
going down the backstretch. Bayne was able to muscle his way passed
Whitt from the middle lane, but Pastrana wasn't so lucky as he and Whitt
made contact after a crucial error on Pastrana's part when he thought he
was clear and tried following Bayne on the inside line.

And then for Pastrana's car to dart back down the race track and clobber
Robert Richardson's car just added more carnage to an incident that
could have been avoided. Considering how Pastrana's wreck last night
looked eerily similar to his wreck at Iowa a few weeks ago when his car
darted down the track from the outside wall and clobbered Max Papis'
car. I'm not so sure if those incidents were mere coincidences, and that
perhaps Pastrana himself is the reason why his car rolled down the race
track both times. Also, I wouldn't attribute Pastrana's crash to bad
luck so much as I would a driver error on Pastrana's part.

Good to see Jeff Green finish a race this year. I say that whenever
Johanna Long isn't driving the #70 car, NEMCO-JRR should put Green in
the #70 and then let Tony Raines drive the #10. To finish 30th (yes I
know a few cars got wrecked along the way) and only two laps down in a
car that was painfully slow while seldom having a drafting partner is
pretty impressive, I think.


  128.   ch posted:
  07.06.2013 - 3:30 pm
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Sponsor Changes:

18 - Nyko PlayPad Pro / GameStop (Not including Nyko is like saying the
#40 is sponsored by e-Cigarettes, need the brand)
31 - Brandt Trademark Nitrogen (Should be the same here as listed last
year when the scheme ran)
51 - All South Electrical Constructors (Should be the same here as
listed at Daytona in the spring)
98 - Spitfire / Curb Records / Denbeste Transportation (Spitfire had
hood / decklid, Curb Records had sides, Denbeste Transportation had
quarter panels. No Leann Rhimes anywhere on the car
{http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/kevin-swindell-driver-of-the-curb-records-spitfire-ford-news-photo/172815063})


  129.   murb posted:
  07.06.2013 - 5:09 pm
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"If memory serves me correct i thought i saw somewhere earlier this year
him saying in an interview that he hates running these races and would
just wanna focus on cup."

I know that Denny Hamlin has said that he doesn't want to run anymore
NNS races, but I hadn't heard that Kenseth had said that.


  130.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  07.06.2013 - 5:27 pm
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#79,23,24,60,45,55 accident turn 4
There was no 45


  131.   Anonymous posted:
  07.06.2013 - 7:46 pm
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#4 Landon Cassill crew chief--Johnny Davis


  132.   CBASS posted:
  07.07.2013 - 1:08 pm
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Post #128, the Nyko brand was not on the car at all, so I believe
"Playpad Pro for Android/ GameStop," as it appeared on the car itself,
would be more fitting

More sponsor updates

#11 SportClips Haircuts
#7 Hellmann's Happy 100 Years (how it appeared on the car)/ Winn-Dixie
#6 Winn-Dixie "The Beef People"
#77 BanditChippers.com
#87 AMFMEnergy.com (a new logo on the hood this week)
#51 Lighting Value/ AllSouthElectric.com (pic of the car
->http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/mzOfPumz-Ka/Daytona+International+Speedway+Day+2/TH7rVT5RiIi)
#55 VivaAutoGroup.com
#98 Leann Rimes "Spitfire"/ Curb Records (her name WAS on the car. The
hood of the car is the cover of her new single. Also, DenBeste was only
an associate)
#70 NEMCO-Jay Robinson Racing (ML didn't field the car this week)
#74 Paxco Quality Race Car Refinishing
#79 TobaccoFreeFlorida.com/ Dave Thomas Foundation
#52 Donate Life Florida/ TransLife
#92 Maddie's Place Rocks
#00 Compassion Racing

Most cars are in this album
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/mzOfPumz-Ka/Daytona+International+Speedway+Day+2/browse?Page=1


  133.   ch posted:
  07.07.2013 - 4:58 pm
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"Post #128, the Nyko brand was not on the car at all, so I believe
"Playpad Pro for Android/ GameStop," as it appeared on the car itself,
would be more fitting"

It was on the decklid, as well as on the image of the controller on the
hood. The brand is 100% necessary. Also, the 'for Android' is pointless.
Same as saying Battlefield 3 'for XBOX 360 and PS3'.

"#70 NEMCO-Jay Robinson Racing (ML didn't field the car this week)"

True, but it has to be registered to ML Motorsports, so that is what
should be (and has been) listed.

"#92 Maddie's Place Rocks"

Slogans (aka "Rocks") are not ever included, and the name of the
restaurant is 'Maddie's Place'.

"#87 AMFMEnergy.com (a new logo on the hood this week)"

Same logo, but it is just that the website is incorporated into the
logo. The company, and sponsor, is still AMFM Energy Pellet & Wood
Stoves. Same argument goes for the #77.

"#98 Leann Rimes "Spitfire"/ Curb Records (her name WAS on the car. The
hood of the car is the cover of her new single. Also, DenBeste was only
an associate)"

I did not see the Leann Rimes on the car until now. Since it is her
album, I agree on including her. Denbeste should also be included though
as the logo was equal size of the Curb Records. They both should be
included or none at all.

So some more sponsor updates...

18 - Nyko PlayPad Pro / GameStop
70 - ML Motorsports
92 - Maddie's Place
98 - Leann Rimes "Spitfire" / Curb Records / Denbeste Transportation


  134.   Daniel posted:
  07.08.2013 - 5:30 pm
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43 entered at New Hampshire:

-Kasey Kahne in the #5

-Ryan Preece in the #8

-Carl Long in the #15

-Billy Johnson in the #16

-Stanton Barrett in the #23

-Brett Butler in the #24

-Paul Menard in the #33

-Josh Wise in the #42

-Chad Hackenbracht in the #44

-J.J. Yeley in the #46

-Tony Raines in the #70

-#74 TBA


  135.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  07.14.2013 - 6:01 pm
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@22
Not only do I have a 2001 diecast of Green's Busch ride, but I also have
his 2001 hauler diecast as well. You can also add Randy LaJoie, David
Green, and Hank Parker Jr as other Busch diecasts I have from 2001.


  136.   Mannoroth posted:
  08.04.2013 - 12:58 am
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It's sad that No. 18 isn't running full NWS schedule anymore. This
number won 38 races in 4 seasons with Kyle Busch and I don't think the
No. 54 would completely replace No. 18.


  137.   Anonymous posted:
  09.14.2013 - 1:27 pm
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Everyone who finished in the top ten led a lap in this race


  138.   ericthenau posted:
  08.07.2014 - 12:36 pm
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Withdrew:
Jeff Green - #10 TriStar Motorsports (Mark Smith) Toyota
Josh Wise - #42 The Motorsports Group (Curtis Key) Chevrolet

As mentioned in previous comments about this race at the time of this
race's running and before, Jeff Green and his team did withdraw mainly
to allow Dexter Stacey's #92 team to run the race, though after just one
more race Stacey's team was forced to scale back its 2013 NASCAR
Nationwide Series schedule big time, not making a clear return to the
series until it was almost over.


  139.   Luke posted:
  06.05.2017 - 7:57 pm
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Tony Raines should be listed as DC. Jeff Green took his place in the #70
car. Raines qualified the car


  140.   RaceFanX posted:
  04.04.2020 - 5:20 pm
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This was Matt Kenseth's first Nationwide Series win in over a year and
his first of three driving a JGR Toyota. It was his 27th win in the
series overall.


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