|| *Comments on the 2013 Zippo 200 at the Glen:* View the most recent comment <#285> | Post a comment <#post> 1. 83andJoe posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:55 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) It's a neeeeeeeeew traaaaaaaaaack recccccccccccord! 2. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:58 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) Hornish? Wut? Anyway huge congrats to him. In the race itself, I'm sure that we'll have to look out for Ranger and Nelson Jr. Wishing track bar failures and spins for Moldy and Rowdy... 3. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Another guy to watch out for in this race is Justin Allgaier. Aside from Sam Hornish, Jr., who has tons of road racing experience from his days as an IndyCar driver, as well as Nelson Piquet, Jr. because of his vast road racing background, Allgaier is probably the best among the Nationwide regulars when it comes to turning left and right. Remember that he won at Montreal last year and should have won at Road America two years ago. Another guy to watch for among the Nationwide championship-eligible drivers is Brian Vickers. Remember that, among other things, he's gotten a lot more road course experience the last two years, including running in the 24 Hours of Le Mans last year, and that he's been good in the #55 Cup car on the road courses (he didn't get a chance at Watkins Glen last year since his engine blew on the start), so look for Allgaier and Vickers to contend at some point today, just based on past history. Also, I look for a big swing in the championship race today. Remember that Regan Smith's season got unhinged at Road America when he was run into from behind while running in the top ten, and he really hasn't gotten back on track since then, and I wouldn't be surprised if more than just the top five in points were championship contenders after today's race and next week's race at Mid-Ohio. In other words, if Austin Dillon has at least one bad race out of these next two, we could see Kyle Larson, Justin Allgaier, and maybe even Brian Scott get back into the title picture when the series hits Bristol, because of the unpredictability of the road courses. Of course, that could also work the other way if Dillon has a couple of good runs and at least some of those closest to him have bad finishes. But I don't think it will be a five-way battle in nine days time. It could be a 3-way battle or an 8-way battle, or something in between. 4. numbah48n10hatah posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hopefully a Nationwide regular can win it. Come on Sam!!! 5. RaceFanX posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Never wish bad luck on drivers you don't like Onion, it never leads to good things. Used to do that to Jeff Gordon til his wreck at Sega in fall 1997 that tool out my guy too. 6. RaceFanX posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) *Dega 7. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have several drivers that I want to keep my eye on today: Andrew Ranger, Kyle Kelley, and Kenny Habul. Other than maybe Ranger, none of these names are exactly eye-catching, but all 3 of these drivers are very good road course racers, generally finishing inside the top 20. I'd like to see one of them finish inside the top 10 today, and maybe even compete for a win. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. 8. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That leaves the field of possibilities wide open, RaceFanX. Which driver is (or was) your favorite? 9. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, by the way, I CAN WATCH THE RACE!!!!! 10. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That had to be one of the worst commands ever. 11. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That had to be the third-dumbest command I've ever heard. 12. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The BSPN cup driver cheer-on has already commenced. 13. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice job of my idiotic local ABC station to go to commercial right as they are about to go green. 14. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Busch won't be winning this one. 15. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle totals it on lap one, corner one. 16. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The /Murb and David Mind-Reading Act/ continues. 17. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch wrecks at the start! Wow. 18. Kevin posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Welp, at least Kyle isn't winning this race. 19. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KYYYYLLLLLLEEEEE BOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! 20. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Glad to see Kyle is alright, but I'm at least glad he can't win this race. Though BSPN is obviously disappointed... 21. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Shrub doesn't even make it through the first corner before he losses it and totals the car. Didn't see that one coming at all. 22. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Poor fellow. He so desperately needs a win in this series. 23. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Murb and David Mind-Reading Act continues." As always, lol. Shades of last year's Cup race for Kyle though. He just lost it down in turn one. 24. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yes BSPN, this wreck is all Mike Wallace's fault. And since Kyle is alright, I want to say that this has been one of the worst weeks of my life and lap 1 of this race has given me just a sliver of sunshine 25. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It a shame Mike Wallace was caught up in it as well. 26. DB1995 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyles ok just to make that clear before i make this statement, YES!!! no Kyle winning a nationwide race this weekend! 27. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess I should say he lost it OFF OF turn one. 28. epzik8 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm so grateful to Mike Wallace now! Too bad he got damage too. (the reason I'm happy this happened to Kyle Busch is because he's a Buschwhacker, and I hate when Buschwhackers win Nationwide races) 29. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...Did BSPN seriously blame Mike Wallace for the accident? I wouldn't be surprised... 30. Jim Davis posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At first it looked like Wallace went out of his way to clobber Busch. 31. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I flip on the tube after climbing out of the pool only to see Shrub's left front tire wobblin around. To finish first you first must make it through the first turn. 32. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think they said it was Wallace's fault. Yet. 33. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And now Brad Keselowski has a prime opportunity to take advantage and take the lead in the owners' points standings, bringing Penske a step closer to that precious Nationwide owners' championship that has eluded him thus far. 34. Eric posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While ESPN/ABC is disappointed that Kyle is in the garage, ESPN still has Joey Logano, and Brad Keselowski in the race. 35. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Busch the Buschwhacker got whacked. 36. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Honestly, I'm shocked BSPN didn't blame Hornish for the accident for daring to even race Kyle. 37. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) They didn't come out and directly blame Wallace, but they certainly did subtly. I quote, "And if it hadn't been for the contact with Mike Wallace, I think he would've gotten away with it."- Andy Petree. Knowing how biased BSPN is towards the drivers who actively try to ruin this series, that sounds like placing blame for the damage on Wallace to me 38. epzik8 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I got a snack and came back to my living room just in time for the restart. lol. 39. TS1420 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Now if only Stale Bread & Mr. "I should be focused on making the chase & picking up a Cup win" could have some troubles. 40. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If BSPN could have their way, Nationwide fields would be filled with nothing BUT Cup drivers... One thing I've always wondered is...Why is this race almost the same distance as the Cup race? It's only 8 laps and 20 miles shorter. 41. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I keep thinking that Keselowski's car has tape on the front fenders. That paint scheme is tricky. 42. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone know where I can catch a livestream of the race, because the weather here has messed up the signal for my satellite. 43. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guys, the commentators are always somewhat sad to see a top contender out of the race, no matter who it is. But I wonder about something else. There are quite a number of shiny places on the track, and the place where Kyle Busch spun was one of them. Sam Hornish, Jr. also got a bit sideways there. I wonder if they put a sealer on a number of the turns at Watkins Glen, and if they did, we may see a higher number of spins than we usually see, due to the slipperiness of the sealant that might have put down on the track. 44. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty dumb how this race is almost as long as the Cup race. It would probably be way better if it was shorter. 45. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Boy, watching the JGR team waste resources by pulling crew members off of 2 driver championship contending teams to fix a car running for nothing but a trophy and a check is just sickening. Oh wait, he can still win the OWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSS CHAMPEEEONCHIP!!!!!! WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVEN A CUP SERIES TITLE IS THE MINOR LEAGUE OWNER'S CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!! Someone at that team needs to get their head out of their exhaust pipe 46. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle is already back out. Because Joe Gibbs needs every point possible in the race for the all-important owner's championship. 47. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yes, this owner's championship garbage has been REALLY getting on my nerves lately. 48. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, they could lengthen the Cup race to 100-120 laps, especially with the lap times that are being turned this year. If they run tomorrow's race with a low number of cautions, it may not be much more than two hours long, given lap tis of 75 seconds and a 90-lap race. Of course, if my hunch about the possibility of a sealant having been put down is true, there may be more spins than usual in both today's and tomorrow's race. 49. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Nationwide Series Owner's Championship: More important than winning a Cup Series driver's title (apparently) 50. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Murb, they could lengthen the Cup race to 100-120 laps, especially with the lap times that are being turned this year." That could work too. It just seems kind of ridiculous to have the NNS race be pretty much the same length as the Cup race. 51. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, focus on how good that CUP LEVEL crew of the #54 is. They surely have enough spare parts, unlike REAL N'Wide teams. 52. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Anyone know where I can catch a livestream of the race, because the weather here has messed up the signal for my satellite." Try racefansonlytv 53. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, we may be also hearing more about the owner's championship in the Cup Series if the #14 makes the owner's Chase, which is definitely possible, since the #14 is the fist Wild Card currently, and Max Papis with a good finish could put the #14 in the top ten in owner's points. If that's the case, the #14 could make the owner's Chase just on being in the top ten in owner's points, depending on the driver they choose and how they finish in the races leading up to Richmond. 54. epzik8 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Didn't know Penske had a #48 car. I thought Joey Logano was driving for Hendrick for some reason at first. 55. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course they're still focusing more on Kyle Busch and his damaged car than the actual racing for position that's going on. 56. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seriously, when did owner's championships become more important than driver's championships? 57. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks Skywarrior. 58. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) In all fairness, the owner's championship is a good thing. It recognizes the TEAM, not the driver, since all other records in NASCAR are credited (unfairly) to the driver. 59. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Habul has problems. Caution. 60. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenny Habul stalls on the track. 61. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Didn't know Penske had a #48 car. I thought Joey Logano was driving for Hendrick for some reason at first." I have no idea why they chose #48, but they didn't before, last use of that number was by S&P team Jay Robinson Racing. (2 Races by Setzer in 2011) Hendrick last used it in 2008. 62. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Why does the Owner's Championship even exist? There's maybe 4 teams max throughout the top 3 series that actually run competitively that are eligible for it and not eligible for a driver's championship. This is pure garbage. Also, Kyle Busch and other Buschwhackers should have to tear the nose off their cars at the start of every race they run, which would finally make the equipment gap equal 63. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do understand the owner's championship is important, but that's ALL they're talking about. The "epic" battle between Penske's #22 and Gibbs' #54. They're hardly even mentioning the driver's championship battle. 64. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I seriously don't see what the problem would be if they just eliminated the owner's championship entirely from all the series. The traditional driver/team championships should be the priority. All the owner's championship does (in this series at least) is promote Insurance-Whacking/Claim-Jumping. Caution for Kenny Habul being slow on track. 65. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Epzic8, I still think that the reason Penske used the #48 for his third car for this race has to do with the fact that #48 was always Dan Gurney's number, and Gurney and Penske were friendly rivals for many years, and had the same racing background, and Penske may have decided to run the #48 as a tribute to Gurney. Penske and Hendrick have also been close friends, and as we all know, that #48 is as much a Hendrick car number as 5, 24, and 25 have been over the years. 66. Flywheel posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (6) CJS, if you don't have anything to back up your sealant theory, I suggest you cram it. 67. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nothing gets by Marty Reid. 68. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In all fairness, the owner's championship is a good thing. It recognizes the TEAM, not the driver" I've always felt like the "driver's title" is just as much about the crew/team as much as it is about the driver. I personally look at each race car as its own "franchise", so to me, each championship is about the ENTIRE team. Unfortunately, the media and others don't see it this way. In their minds, it's all about the driver and no one else. I absolutely agree that the team needs to be recognized, but the current owner's championship format is not the answer. I think it's best to just look at a "driver's championship" as a full on "team championship". 69. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya's in the booth. 70. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya is in the booth. 71. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, what happened with the #14 car is exactly why you have an owner's championship. If not for that, the #14 car may not even run all the races the rest of the year, which would leave one top car on the sidelines. But with an owner's championship still possible, as well as positioning in the owner's points as far as provisional are concerned, the #14 has to still run to get owner's points for whoever's driving it. For instance, if not for the fact that there is an owner's championship, we ay not even see the #14 car at Michigan next week, because there would be no reason for SHR to run that car. But with the ability to get points for the owner's championship, they have to run the car to get those points, especially if the substitute driver isn't eligible to earn any points for the race because he's earing points for the Nationwide or Truck Series. 72. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Shut up, Flywheel. Cjs happens to be one of the most intelligent posters on here, if not the most intelligent. When he has a theory, he's often right about it. 73. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Murb, what happened with the #14 car is exactly why you have an owner's championship. If not for that, the #14 car may not even run all the races the rest of the year, which would leave one top car on the sidelines." That would never happen. The sponsors wouldn't allow it. 74. epzik8 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It sounds funny to hear Juan Pablo Montoya talking just like the ESPN commentators. 75. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Flywheel is on a personal mission to destroy cjs. Besides, cjs never used the word "theory" in the post in question. 76. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If not for that, the #14 car may not even run all the races the rest of the year, which would leave one top car on the sidelines." The teams and crews are just as much racers as the drivers are, so no, they wouldn't sit out races just because their primary driver is out of action. It's the same thing as football. If the primary quarterback is out with an injury, that doesn't mean the whole team is just gonna not play. 77. Flywheel posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) CJS is a blowhard. Tons of conspiracy theories and tons of 'fluff' in his posts don't make him an intelligent poster. Explain to me why the hell the #14 car wouldn't keep running just because Tony got hurt. By that logic, a lot of teams would have parked it back in the day. 78. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I disagree cjs. Sponsorship commitment would keep the #14 on track whether there was an owner's championship or not. And honestly, everyone over at Stewart-Haas is kidding themselves if they think they have a snowball's chance in hell of winning that thing, especially with the best driver they could have in that car will be sidelined and couldn't even stay in the top 10 to begin with this year 79. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @66, there must be some reason why the area in some of the turns is shiny, and sealant is the only thing I can think of as to why those turns would be shiny. It's not oil on the track, nor is it rubber. If it is sealant, it may not have been recently put down, but there must be a reason those turns are shinier than normal. 80. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "That would never happen. The sponsors wouldn't allow it." This too. 81. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And this, what you hear is at least 16 years of learning English. Juan, you better not choose announcing after you retire. 82. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) And cjs replies in his usual polite manner. Go Parker! 83. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "CJS is a blowhard. Tons of conspiracy theories and tons of 'fluff' in his posts don't make him an intelligent poster." And your telling him to "cram it" and calling him a "blowhard" makes you one? 84. Flywheel posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) And for the record, The Long Shot, just because you don't use the word theory doesn't mean you're not floating one. 85. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gase has stopped, Bayne spins, caution. 86. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey Gase stalls it. Caution. 87. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey Gase stalls on the track. 88. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, this was actually an enjoyable piece of commentary. 89. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually Flywheel, a number of teams DID park it back in the old days for just that reason. One being the #43 team back in 1970 when Richard Petty got hurt at Darlington in 1970. They didn't run again until Richard returned. And guys, what would happen if there was no owner's points is that the team probably would not run all the races, though might run some of them, and they would switch the sponsorship over to other cars in the stable, such as the #10 and #39 cars in this particular case. They would do the same thing teams like the Wood Brothers made popular over the years, and that is to "pick and choose" the races they would run. 90. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And for the record, The Long Shot, just because you don't use the word theory doesn't mean you're not floating one." Darn it. Flywheel saw through my clever facade. Yes, I am really The Long Shot. ;) 91. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And guys, what would happen if there was no owner's points is that the team probably would not run all the races, though might run some of them, and they would switch the sponsorship over to other cars in the stable, such as the #10 and #39 cars in this particular case." That creates a problem, though. The 10 and 39 teams are both fully sponsored, so there wouldn't be any room for the sponsors from the 14 except for maybe being an associate sponsor, and that wouldn't sit well with the sponsors considering they paid for a full sponsorship. That idea could certainly work in other cases, but not in this particular instance. 92. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The 10 and 39 teams are both fully sponsored" Not exactly, whenever #39 has HAAS Automation written on it, it is actually unsponsored. (6 races so far in 2013) 93. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Darn it. Flywheel saw through my clever facade. Yes, I am really The Long Shot." Really?? Then...who am I? ;) In all seriousness, I say we all ignore Flywheel. He's clearly shown that he can't go a full race without insulting somebody, so why bother trying to reason with him? Cjs, I acknowledge your admirable effort to be polite with Flywheel, but you really should just ignore him. 94. Flywheel posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's watch Kyle Busch get 6 lucky dogs in a row now, and see ESPN talk about 'making history'. 95. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Not exactly, whenever #39 has HAAS Automation written on it, it is actually unsponsored." Are you sure about that? That used to be on one of their cars full-time, and it's still a sponsor, just not advertising to normal fans 96. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Montoya's actually a decent analyst, despite the fact that I need subtitles for a few of the things he says. 97. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Joey Logano just slow down in turn one on that restart just to let Sam Hornish, Jr. in, because it sure looked like to me, because if he hadn't he would have passed Hornish and probably taken Justin Allgaier with him. It looks to me as if Penske has a team strategy for this one. 98. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Are you sure about that? That used to be on one of their cars full-time, and it's still a sponsor, just not advertising to normal fans" Well, remember that Gene Haas co-owns the team, so he's advertising, but not exactly sponsoring, if you see what I mean. Those races with HAAS Automation on the hood come out of Gene's and Tony's own pockets. 99. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Flywheel you are a waste of everyone's time. 100. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Are you sure about that? That used to be on one of their cars full-time, and it's still a sponsor, just not advertising to normal fans " SHR said that: 'Newman will run the HAAS Automation scheme if we have no other primary sponsorship.' Of course, it can happen that I misinterpreted something. 101. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @92, before Tony Stewart took over as co-owner in 2009, that team was originally called Haas Automation Racing, and then it was changed to Haas-CNC Racing before it became Stewart-Haas Racing in 2009, so when Haas Automation is on the car, it's actually Gene Haas' company that's "sponsoring" the car. 102. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Did Joey Logano just slow down in turn one on that restart just to let Sam Hornish, Jr. in, because it sure looked like to me, because if he hadn't he would have passed Hornish and probably taken Justin Allgaier with him. It looks to me as if Penske has a team strategy for this one." Oh sure. Logano didn't let Hornish by at Chicagoland because Penske wants his precious owner's championship so badly, but when Logano's running a part-time entry, Hornish breezes by him. He won't have such an easy time getting by Keselowski, I bet (if he hasn't gone by him already; I'm not watching the race). 103. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again the #22 and Hornish are running 1-2 in a Nationwide race? How much are you willing to bet Hornish never passes Keselowski? 104. The Great Dave posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsors: #12 GoPenske.com / Penske Truck Rental #52 Jimmy Means Racing #99 Nationwide Children's / Text 'KIDS' to 50555 105. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ranger spins. 106. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What I meant, The Long Shot, was the Penske seems to want the 12 and 22 to battle it out for the win, and have Joey Logano be their protector on restarts, and in that case, the best thing Logano could have done was to slow down the slightest bit to let Hornish get in front of him. All Logano's really trying to get is more experience. He really has nothing else to gain except experience id he can't race for the win, and he doesn't have the speed to battle the other two Penske cars. 107. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bayne, that was ugly... 108. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And unlike him, @107, but we don't know what might have proceeded it. Maybe he had tried to pass him and Ranger blocked him, and drivers can only take that so long before they take action. So we don't know what happened that proceeded that incident. 109. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It looked like a simple mistake from maybe both sides, Ranger running a bit wide and Bayne not seeing him in time. That was what it looked for me. 110. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Engine problems for Larson. Caution is out. 111. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Larson has a mechanical problem and stalls on the track. All but one caution so far has been for a stalled car. 112. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson has problems. Caution. 113. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least he'll get to Knoxville a little earlier now. 114. Superf1fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The field is becoming rather small right now with only 29 cars running at the moment. 115. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Andrew Ranger reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask everyone. Hendrick Motorsports is the top Chevrolet team, Roush Fenway Racing is the top Ford team, and Joe Gibbs Racing is the top Toyota team. Even though they've pulled out for now, some teams still run Dodges, but which team would be considered the top one in NASCAR? Would it be Jennifer Jo Cobb's team? Their full race effort truck is usually a RAM. Or would it be Mike Harmon's Nationwide team? They usually run Chevrolets, but in the plate races they've been using a Dodge and have a top 20 finish, and they run a series higher than JJC's team 116. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ranger spins. 117. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Carl Larson" BSPN, yer outta here! 118. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sky Warrior, Harmon has now totaled that Challenger, JJC is a joke, Greenfield ran only 2 races, so did Ranger, so I'd say there is no such thing as top Dodge team. Just as there was no top Pontiac team in 2005. If anything they are equally bad. 119. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cole Whitt is quietly having a solid top ten run. Quite impressive considering the caliber of his team. 120. Daniel posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would say JJC's just because she runs more races in them. Shepherd and Harmon only run them at plate tracks, Ranger only runs them at the road courses, and Greenfield runs them in a limited schedule. If you go by competitiveness though, then either NDK Motorsports, which is the team Ranger drives for, or Clay Greenfield's team. 121. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Carl Larson" BSPN, yer outta here! I thought he said Carl Carlson. Take a deep breath before you speak Marty. 122. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yep, there is no "top" Dodge team because they aren't putting factory support towards any team. Onion is right. It's basically just like the Pontiac situation after they pulled out before 2004. 123. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, ABC just went to commercial break as the leader was entering pit road. 124. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "For every heaven," Cut to Elliott Sadler at Pocono "A hell" Chills every time 125. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Should that be a surprise, AveryNH, considering how Cole ran at Road America, because he was a top seven or eight car there, as well. It looks like there shouldn't be that big of a surprise that he's running in the top ten, even though it was through strategy this time. 126. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Carl Larson" lol. I remember one time a few years ago when they had Vince Welch in the booth he called Carl Edwards "Brad Edwards". 127. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris...and it's shown. 128. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a small piece of debris. 129. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least it's legitimate. 130. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know if I am more surprised by Cole's run CJS or the fact the broadcast only mentioned him once. Of course now he's outside the top 20 after pit stops. 131. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a piece of metal with black on one side of it, so it's probably from Kyle Busch. 132. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Onion and Murb, there's no factory support outside of the Canadian Tire Series, but there's still one team giving the Dodge fans something to cheer for better than the others. Harmon totalled one of his Chargers, but he ran another one at Daytona and finished 2 laps down, brought it home clean. I would also say it's the JJC team because they're still making a full-time effort. 133. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really hope that one of those drivers from third to sixth gambles and tries to make it. Kyle Busch gets the Lucky Dog. 134. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dash it all. They pitted. 135. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I totally forgot about the Daytona night race, probably it was too boring to remember. But it is good that Harmon still has a Penske Dodge. 136. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If it's metal off a car, murb, it can only be from Kyle Busch or Mike Wallace, and I think Wallace went out as a result of that lap 1 incident. But with 26 cars on the lead lap and Kyle running 27th, albeit five laps behind, if there are enough cautions (and there might be considering how wild road racing gets near the finish), Kyle could get back in the lead lap, as undeserved as that would be. 137. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) This is just ridiculous that Brad is wasting his time running these races. Do you know what the other drivers 9th-16th in points (except Stewart) are doing right now that Brad isn't? Focusing on making the chase and not wasting their energy running this race! 138. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe Brad and Joey will take each other out. 139. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) But Brad HAS to run these races; after all, Roger Penske NEEDS to win that highly prestigious Nationwide Owner's Championship! Kasey Kahne nearly crashes. 140. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kahne has a flat tire and is on pit road. 141. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #24 various sponsors Toyota #48 Discount Tire Ford A few years ago someone was running a Petty Blue #43 Toyota The Nationwide series confuses me sometimes 142. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Petty Blue #43 Toyota -> That thing was run by Kasey Kahne at Charlotte. 143. Peter posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sam went by Joey now Marty can't enjoy the finish 144. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe Sam Hornish instead of being the good soldier will wreck both Brad & Joey out of the lead. 145. Peter posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Two cup guys fighting for the win DJ this is one of the best races all year" I know he wants to say it 146. Peter posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch running well in broken car, Marty happy 147. joey2448 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justin Allgaier is an awesome road warrior! Look at him go! 148. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Commercial break, so time for a crazy scenario: Joey Logano runs out of gas and stalls on the track, forcing a caution and moving Brian Vickers (who by that time has worked his way past Smith and Sadler) to third. On the restart, Vickers suddenly turns into his 2011 crash-happy self and dive-bombs the Penske duo of Keselowski and Hornish, causing them both to spin, but Hornish avoids contact while Keselowski backs into the retaining wall. 149. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Addition to comment 148: Meanwhile Jeremy Clements speeds by them and holds off Regan Smith for his maiden victory. 150. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And right as I post that, Vickers powers his way by Smith and Sadler. 151. joey2448 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The guy we're worried about is Joey Logano in third. He's running on fumes!" I don't think anyone's worried about him, Marty... 152. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hornish I know you are falling back from Brad on purpose you need to ignore team orders and battle Brad for the win. 153. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Horny needs to man up? 154. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If Hornish actually passes Keselowski, I will be absolutely shocked. 155. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Hornish needs to grow a spine and pass Keselowski. 156. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kudos to ESPN for mentioning Sam Ard more than once. 157. Moe, Larry, and Curly posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Horny? Man up? No one got it? 158. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Logano is out...or he's just slow, because Vickers got by him. 159. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's unbelieveable how much BSPN is fawning over Brad and the owner's championship. 160. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, they're still making a huge deal out of Brad's "incredible" comeback from a penalty at Iowa last week. And of course Hornish backs off so he can be a good little teammate and let Brad win. 161. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think NESPN's confused the barebond on Pastrana's car for the X Games logo cuz they're showing him in 15th place with 2 laps to go. 162. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Brad "I Look Like A Tool Out Here" Keselowski 163. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The NASCAR Nationwide Series owner's championship: NASCAR's most important championship 164. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano's out of gas. 165. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stale Bread's out of gas. 166. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano's out of fuel. 167. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano's out! Is there going to be a caution? 168. Peter posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Oh my god your witnessing history folks!!!!!!! 169. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano runs out of gas. BSPN sheds a couple of tears. 170. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No caution, and Sammy's points racing. 171. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bah Flipping Humbug! 172. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RACING IMMORTALITY! 173. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good gravy. 174. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well that was anticlimactic. 175. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unbelievable how Penske would rather have an NNS owner's championship instead of another REAL Cup championship. 176. Moe, Larry, and Curly posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sam would have had the points lead if he would have manned up and passed Brad. 177. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BSPN couldn't be any happier to see one of their precious Cup series drivers pull off a heartwarming triumph against a field mostly consisting of inferior equipment. 178. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) This proves that Sam Hornish is nothing but a pathetic spineless worm. 179. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If Penske actually prefers having Brad help him score a Nationwide owner's championship over him winning back-to-back Cup series driver's titles...that's just plain sad. 180. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Very patriotic, Brad. NOT!! 181. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And now he does the donuts with the flag... *yawn* 182. epzik8 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Joey Logano make it to the checkered flag? I couldn't tell from the position of ESPN's camera what part of the track he stopped. 183. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Next Race, take a shot anytime BSPN mentions the owners points 184. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sam claims that he "was overdriving the crap out of the car". Interesting. 185. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What the hell was this crap I've watched? Good thing that proper racing is coming up... 186. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looking at NASCAR.com's live leaderboard for this race, they say that "Cole WHITEY" finished in 8th place. 187. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's Crap like this is why I don't pay much attention to the Nationwide & Truck Series. 188. epzik8 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only three of the top 10 in points have won a race this season. 189. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, they've interviewed 5 Nationwide drivers in a row! 190. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @183: So, in other words, you want us all to get drunk as a skunk? 191. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cole Whitt got a top 10. That's about all I've got good to say about the finish of this race 192. Schroeder51 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If we drink every time BSPN mentions the Nationwide owner's championship and how crucial it is to win it next week, all of us will end up in the morgue dead from kidney/liver failure. 193. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Geez, at least pretend to be excited in Victory Lane. 194. joey2448 posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "What the hell was this crap I've watched? Good thing that proper racing is coming up..." This isn't proper racing? I know a Buschwhacker won, but I still enjoyed today's race. Who was that guy in victory lane that was just throwing things at Brad? 195. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.10.2013 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I hereby declare Hornish's new nickname to be Spineless Sam. 196. Jim Davis posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I hereby declare Hornish's new nickname to be Spineless Sam." That's really not fair. Keselowski is a better driver with a better car. Hornish did what he could. 197. joey2448 posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, anybody else think it's funny that the Grand-Am race at Road America (Wisconsin) is called the VisitFlorida.com Sports Car 250? I wonder how that happened lol. 198. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Keselowski Kenseth Busch Logano Busch Keselowski Keselowski Can anybody tell me what this is a list of. BONUS POINTS: Do it without puking 199. 83andJoe posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) And as the whine continues to dangerously cheesy levels, I settle in after watching what was actually a pretty enjoyable race. Because, unlike apparently everyone else on here, I don't send my blood pressure through the roof based on who is (or isn't) running in the race, and actually...y'know.../enjoy the race/. Remember what MST3K taught us: we should really just relax. 200. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Winners of the last 7 NNS races, Sky Warrior 201. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 83andJoe, I wasn't bothered much. I was just happy to watch the race. And I liked it a lot. 202. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also acceptable: Drivers who give zero damn's about winning a Cup title this year 203. DB1995 posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did anyone catch who it was that spun Trevor off the final turn? also i thought the race was good, dont like that Brad won really, but hes one of the best that didnt have a win on a road course 204. Rexrobe posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How big of a points lead would Sam have if the team didn't make him play wing man to the Cup guys? 205. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was also surprising that he last 30 laps or so (I don't know the exact total) were run under green, because there are usually a cluster of cautions near the end, but not this time. And there appears to be a 60% chance of the driver winning the Nationwide Series title doing so without winning a race, as points leader Austin Dillon and the two JGR drivers in the top five, Brian Vickers and Elliott Sadler, are wiles this season, and I doubt any of them will win, unless it happens at Kentucky (if one of them won at Mid-Ohio, I would consider it a big upset). What I suspect will happen is that the five drivers racing for the title will just race each other beginning at Bristol, and not worry about winning the race, and if they happen to win one of them, it will be a bonus. Besides, with the Cup drivers racing in the Nationwide events every week but one the rest of the year, the championship contenders won't even take the risks necessary to get a win because they simply can't afford to. But it really now looks like a five-way race for the title, especially since effectively nothing happened on that front today. All the drivers chasing Austin Dillon finished in the top seven, and fuel pressure problems are likely the only thing that kept Austin from running with the others. But with 27 points separating fifth and sixth, it sure looks like it's a five-way race, unless one of the five in contention have trouble at Mid-Ohio. But among those five, it's anyone's guess right now who might win the title this year. But wouldn't it be something if the three drivers in the top five in points currently without a win this year finished 1-2-3, and none of them won this year? What kind of message would that send to NASCAR? 206. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I intentionally missed this one because after the back to back to back debacles at Chicago, Indy, and Iowa, I have vowed to watch no more NWide races live because I don't watch these Cup guys keep winning. If an NWide regular happens to win, then I'll DVR the re-air or catch it on YouTube. It payed off today. Judging by the comments, NWide regular Hornish was second to Claim Jumper Brad. So I got to miss Brad's win. Brad is my favorite driver, but I am SO glad I missed this. By the way, this following stat makes me EXTREMELY angry: Brad 2013 NWide wins: 4 Brad 2013 Cup wins: 0 You better win a Cup race AND make the cha$e this year. 207. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So I got to miss Brad's win. Brad is my favorite driver, but I am SO glad I missed this." On the flip side, one of the claim jumpers ran out of fuel. 208. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You're not going to catch it on YouTube, DSFF, because races are now being blocked, at least those run this year, so if you want to see it, you'll either have to have DVR'd it, or hope to watch an edited replay of the race, either on one of the ESPN networks or SPEED, if they're airing a replay of it. 209. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF and cjs, you can go to thelp2008.com to find videos of the races. His videos have gotten blocked in the past, but I believe he still posts them, just under fake accounts and with private listings. 210. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I believe you're right, The Long Shot. He just can't put them on YouTube, but if his channel still exists, you can use the link to get to the races in question. Why NASCAR started blocking races this year when they had never done so previously is beyond me, but they have. Of course, I also think NASCAR is still miffed at YouTube about what happened this year regarding the incident at Daytona at the end of the Nationwide race the day before the Daytona 500, when NASCAR attempted to block fan videos of that incident, and were overruled by YouTube itself. 211. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That is some weird trend this year, NASCAR suddenly started blocking races, so did V8 Supercars and WSR. In the case of V8SC it is extremely annoying, as they are doing a great job removing absolutely every 2013 stuff, not just from YT, but from everywhere. I don't understand it, NASCAR had no problem with Luis' uploads last year and V8SC management even uploaded their races... 212. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gotta' add that at least Indycar is all cool about their races going on YT. 213. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs, he does post them on Youtube still. However, to do that, he's created another channel, where he posts all the races (NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, East and West Series, and ARCA) under private listings, meaning that only people with the link can still see them. This prevents them from being found directly from the Youtube search engine. 214. 83andJoe posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >How big of a points lead would Sam have if the team didn't make him play wing man to the Cup guys? Exactly the same points lead he has now, because he doesn't. 215. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Morgan Shepherd's #89 sponsor was Racing With Jesus, same as most of his other starts this year 216. 83andJoe posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #51 sponsor: Jeremy Clements Racing #87 sponsor: Jamison Engineering/First Class Auto Body #89 sponsor: Racing With Jesus 217. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'm not at all disappointed that I missed this race. I hope Brad's car doesn't start tomorrow. 218. We need more Onion posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anthony Gandon is the first Basque driver in NASCAR. 219. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, I can't start another YouTube channel unless I take down my current one because I have only one e-mail address, and that's the way I like it. The question is, would I have problems posting and in two cases, re-posting my classic races, such as classic Daytona 500s. 220. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The question is, would I have problems posting and in two cases, re-posting my classic races, such as classic Daytona 500s." If you put your videos under "private listing", you shouldn't have any problems. Ever since Luis (of thelp2008.com) started putting his videos under private listings, he hasn't had one taken down. If you want people like us to see them, perhaps you could post a blog, entitled "Classic Auto Races", and link us to those videos once they're uploaded. Afterwards, if you decide to upload another classic race, just post the link in the comments section of that blog. 221. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Jeff Green something something another vibration issue something something sex toys 222. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hopefully next week, no cup drivers will run at Mid-Ohio 223. Watto posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Before I join the crowd and go off about Brad focusing too much energy on winning the Nationwide owners title, I remind myself that he's only run 3 of the last 14 Nationwide races. The guy won a Cup championship last year with 21 Nationwide starts. This year, he's not going to see 21 NW starts by any means. Plus, this track may be the worst example to say that being in a Nationwide car doesn't help. They run two Cup road races in Cup every year. Brad obviously didn't run at Road America. How are extra laps not gonna help him when it comes to feeling comfortable at the Glen? Watkins Glen has a history of seeing Cup drivers in the NW race who don't even ordinarily run it, because they're valuable laps. Maybe I have an unpopular opinion in here, but when you compare the 12 and the 22 in NW and claim that the 22 simply gets the best stuff and Penske is focused on the owners title and not drivers, can we, for a moment, just recognize that Brad Keselowski is a Cup champion who's finished 2nd in the last 2 Cup races at the Glen, so when he outruns Sam Hornish here or anywhere else, it's not really that much of a surprise? Driver ability comes into play. I love Sam Hornish. I hope he wins the driver's title. But frankly, when people claim Cup drivers get the best equipment in Nationwide compared to teammates with the same team, can we just recognize for a moment that there's a really big reason that we call them Cup drivers? For those insulting Sam Hornish, saying he's spineless, etc... what do you want him to do? Dump someone for the win? Brad was the fastest car on the track and pulled away. I agree with Jim Davis. Sam tried, but clearly he wasn't the best car on the track. Brad pulled away for a reason. For Sam to win, he would've had to dump his teammate for it, and we've never known Sam to be a person who will drive dirty for a win. There's too much anger about this stuff, and some of the logic is lost in emotion. Think about this stuff realistically. I know it kind of sucks to see Brad, Logano, Kahne, Kyle Busch, etc running Nationwide races, but is it really worth skyrocketing blood pressure? Just my 2 cents. 224. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have absolutely no idea how to do that, The Long Shot. On all my YouTube videos, there are no links, though I put everything I upload in a playlist so it can be found that way. I don't even know how to post links, or even if I'd want to. I recently had problems with the final episodes (as of now) of the Kingdom Hearts series for that reason, and I had never had any problems until then. Portions of episodes 184 and 187 (of 187 currently) were blocked, because of the content in that part of Kingdom Hearts 3D. Episode 184 had to be shortened and I had to take down 187 completely. I only upload videos for the pleasure for anyone that watches them, because if I wanted to keep them private, I would never upload them in the first place. 225. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @222, no full-time Cup drivers will run Mid-Ohio, from what I understand, but A.J. Allmedinger will be in the #22 car, so he'll be the prohibitive favorite, and there will almost certainly be road race ringers in some other contending cars. That's why I don't think a Nationwide Series championship-eligible driver will win that race, and if I'm right, only one race will be left for a Nationwide regular to win, and that's the race at Kentucky on September 21, unless something happens that I don't think will happen, because I think the remainder f the races will be swept by the Cup drivers. The Cup Series is racing at Loudon the following day, though I suspect that there will be Cup drivers in that race at Kentucky on September 21, and if so, then the race at Mid-Ohio may be the last not won by a full-time Cup driver this year. 226. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I misspoke, cjs. The term I was looking for was "unlisted". Here's how to do that, copied from Google Support: "When you upload a video, by default it's set as a 'Public' video, which means that anybody can view it. You can easily change the privacy settings while you're uploading the video in the 'Privacy Settings' section. Or, if you've already uploaded the video, you can change the privacy settings by following the steps below: 1. Visit your Video Manager. 2. Find the video you'd like to change, then click the Edit button. 3. In the 'Privacy Settings' drop-down menu, select Unlisted. 4. Click Save changes." "I don't even know how to post links, or even if I'd want to." Post links? Copy the video URL, look for the place you want to post it, and paste it. "I only upload videos for the pleasure for anyone that watches them, because if I wanted to keep them private, I would never upload them in the first place." Again, I misspoke. The video is not "private", but merely "unlisted". For example, say you uploaded the 1984 Daytona 500, but made it "unlisted". Someone searching "1984 Daytona 500" on Youtube would not be able to find it, because only people who have the video URL can see it. A simple way to make sure that people have the video URL is to post it in your channel description. I've seen uploaders like racermac1988 do just that. Sorry if that was a bit much. I'm trying my best to help you get those races out there, as I'm interested in seeing them. If I may ask, which races are you interested in uploading/re-uploading? 227. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eventually The Long Shot, classic Daytona 500s, Indianapolis 500s, the biggies that I have on VHS tape, which I'll have to convert to DVD, though I've done that with the 1984 and 1985 Daytona 500s. I don't really care much for the smaller races, but the biggies that I have are what I would do. I already have the old films from the Indianapolis 500 from 1957-'74 up on my channel. I also have parts of the 1983 and 1989 Daytona 500s that were not shown when SPEED showed them as part of NASCAR Classics in 2002-'03, but did air when ESPN Classic showcased those races over the last couple of years, including the big wreck on lap 72 of the 1989 race. For some reason, SPEED edited that out of their version of the race. 228. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Maybe I have an unpopular opinion in here, but when you compare the 12 and the 22 in NW and claim that the 22 simply gets the best stuff and Penske is focused on the owners title and not drivers, can we, for a moment, just recognize that Brad Keselowski is a Cup champion who's finished 2nd in the last 2 Cup races at the Glen, so when he outruns Sam Hornish here or anywhere else, it's not really that much of a surprise? Driver ability comes into play. I love Sam Hornish. I hope he wins the driver's title. But frankly, when people claim Cup drivers get the best equipment in Nationwide compared to teammates with the same team, can we just recognize for a moment that there's a really big reason that we call them Cup drivers?" Of course you have a point. But that's really also part of the reason we criticize them. The bottom line is that Cup drivers running and winning regularly is not good for the series, no matter how they do it. "If you put your videos under "private listing", you shouldn't have any problems. Ever since Luis (of thelp2008.com) started putting his videos under private listings, he hasn't had one taken down." Technically, they are "unlisted". "Private" means that the uploader has made the video available to a few accounts. "I have absolutely no idea how to do that, The Long Shot." Click on your account name and picture at the top right corner of the screen. Scroll to "Video Manager" and click on it. You should now be at a screen that lists all your videos. Depending on how your videos are sorted (top right, under the "Search uploads" box), there should either be a check box or a lock symbol. If there is a check box, check all videos that you want to unlist, click on "Actions", scroll down to "Unlisted", and click on it. If there is a lock symbol, click on it. Locate "Privacy settings" (middle right) and click on the drop-down box, and select "unlisted". Do that for each individual video. 229. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dadgum you, Alex. Now all my instructions I typed out are all for naught. 230. numbah48n10hatah posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Well, i guess we still have only 4 Nwide races won by Nationwide drivers. Ugh!!!!! 231. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hee hee hee... In truth, your instructions are probably more helpful than mine. I don't have a Youtube account myself. Speaking of Youtube accounts, I found yours a while back, and I was looking through some of your videos. For the record, I'm a year younger than you are, and my voice was deeper than yours when you made that last video with your voice in it (late 2011/early 2012, I think). 232. 1995z71 posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Why is Cole Whitt not on a better team full time? Id even go as far as saying he's ready for cup. 233. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't look through those videos, Long Shot. They are my shame. 234. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last year when he drove for JR Motorsports, he was decent but not great. Had plenty of good top 10 runs but was just not a top 5 contender. I think sponsorship may have been an issue too 235. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now David and The Long Shot, one thing I would do with the race videos, and if you've watched my look back at the 1973 Indianapolis 500 (or the 1984 and/or '85 Daytona 500s on my original channel), you'd know this, I actually upload the races in segments, and I use the commercial breaks as the divider between segments. That way, I can keep the uploads relatively short, while at the same time, allow the viewer to see the race without having to watch the commercial breaks of the version(s) I used. Usually, the segments would last in the neighborhood of 7-10 minutes, except for the start and finish, which may be longer. When I did the 1984 Daytona 500, it was done in 20 videos, while the 1985 Daytona 500 was done in 17 videos, if I remember right. 236. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) cjs, have you ever thought about uploading individual commercials from that too? I know they're commercials and how people feel about them nowadays, but how many places can you find tv commercials from 30-40 years ago? Might be something you could do aside from the races 237. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sky Warrior, my version of the classic races are from the ESPN Classic or SPEED replays of much more recent vintage than when the races were originally run. And no, I will not upload the commercials. In fact, I hate commercial breaks in sporting events, though I know why they're a necessary evil. (I was once asked about that as it referred to my Classic Disney uploads.) All my classic Daytona 500s from before 1997 are from those edited replays, though through downloading some of the older races from YouTube, I now have some of those races in full. The oldest original I have is the 1997 Daytona 500, and every Daytona 500 after that, except the 1999 race, is the full original broadcast. (I had to forego recording the first half of the '99 race to record an episode of "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends", as I had only one recording source at that time. I do have that full race now as a result of downloading it from YouTube.) 238. Daniel posted: 08.10.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Marcos Ambrose is running MidOhio so there will be at least one cup guy in that race. 239. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, with Ambrose and A.J. Allmendinger both in that race, it would be an upset if a Ford didn't win that one, though if a Ford does win, it won't be a Roush Ford. 240. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah, I see. Even still, there's a viewer market out there for older commercials if they're funny, unique, etc. I've spent an afternoon or two just watching NASCAR commercials from the 90s, back when a commercial could be entertaining instead of just "I ATE THE BONES" 2.7 billion times repeated. I've got no idea what kind of commercials ESPN Classic and Speed used to run though, so you might be right, they might be just garbage 241. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some of the ones from the ESPN Classic versions included one at Daytona USA that had Mike Skinner, Jeff Gordon, Richard Petty, and Dale, Sr. in it, and also there were commercials in the ESPN Classic versions that showed what ESPN Classic used to be, and what they used to air back around the year 2000, as they still aired quite a bit of programming from the original Classic Sports Network, which eventually became ESPN Classic. In fact, the original Classic Sports Network aired the 1979-81, '85, '88, and '90-'91 Daytona 500s, among their programming, which also included, but were no limited to, classic MLB games and World Series films, NFL Films, NBA, Masters films, and classic boxing matches from as far back as the 1930s, as well as shows featuring the careers of many of the legendary athletic careers of those that laid the groundwork for what those performing today enjoy, as well as legendary sports events, and even classic sports trivia shows. In fact, the motto for the old Classic Sports Network was "Classic Sports Network: Where the Legends Play". 242. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love classic races with commercials in them! It's the best of both worlds I feel like. I'm quite a retro geek and watch 80s and 90s commercial videos frequently. What an incredible waste of time, I know but dammit I love em! The only channel I know of that shows classic races and the ads, albeit infrequently is cubs604. He's got a wide range of races that I've been combing through. It's certainly worth checking out. 243. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just don't try to download his stuff, AveryNH. I admitted that in one of his videos and he erupted, so I don't download his videos any more, and quite a few of his videos are out of sync. Other uploaders, like myself, have no problem at all with others downloading their videos, and some users actually encourage others to download their stuff so they can have it. I downloaded the "Epic in Miami" a few months ago from a user that actually encouraged others to download it, just in case it's removed so they can have a copy of that game. My rule on that is any user is free to download any video on my channel, just as long as they don't try to profit from it. 244. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah I noticed a bunch of his older videos and their audio are like five or so seconds behind the images. But it's better than not having the video at all I suppose. My computer lacks the might to properly run Nascar racing 4. So I doubt I'd even try to download any videos but thanks for the heads up. 245. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @225, thanks for the info! 246. The Long Shot posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Technically, cubs604 is illegally selling these old races, so I wouldn't suggest buying them from him, either. If I ever download old NASCAR races (or any videos, for that matter), it is for archival purposes only, and I will never sell it. By the way, cjs, I was combing through your channel a little while ago, and I noticed all those Kingdom Hearts uploads of yours. Are you a big Disney fan? 247. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Yes, The Long Shot, especially the older Disney from when Walt was hosting the series for the 13 years that he hosted it. Most of my Classic Disney uploads are from that era. The thing about the Kingdom Hearts series, and I mention it in the playlist, is that it combines the Japanese-style anime with the classic animation of Disney, with the Disney settings and characters used in the series exactly as they were when they were originally animated, and uses computer graphics. After all, it's actually a video game series that I made an animated series out of. I only wish I could have completed it the way I originally intended to, but parts of episodes 184 and 187 caused those episodes to be blocked globally, so I had to alter episode 184 and remove episode 187 for the moment, though I hope to eventually get them up as originally intended. But the fact that you found those videos demonstrates exactly why I put every video I upload into a playlist. Because it makes it easier for anyone to find it just by clicking "playlists" on my channel when you visit it. I also removed three classic Disney episodes because they had become blocked in 30 countries, including most of the Western nations. Those episodes were "The Story of the Animated Drawing" from 1955, "The Plausible Impossible" fro 1956, and "Tricks of Our Trade" from 1957. they weren't blocked in any of those countries except Germany when I originally uploaded them. And what you say about the purpose of downloading videos is also why I do it, for archival purposes, and just to own a copy. And that's why I say that anyone's free to download any video I upload, as long as they don't try to profit from it, because I don't mind them having a free copy. Just don't try to profit from it. I don't do it for any kind of profit, but rather for the viewing pleasure for anyone that watches it. 248. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My favorite YouTube race poster is probably de311682 (AKA Dave W). He has a bunch of great stuff. One other guy that I like a lot is this guy CharlesIntestine. He doesn't actually post any Nascar stuff really, but he has an unbelievable amount of old open wheel racing on his channel. He has a lot of old school USAC from the 90s when Tony Stewart and Kenny Irwin were tearing it up. He's even got a few Jeff Gordon USAC races I think. I'd highly recommend checking out his channel, because some of those old USAC Midget races are worth watching. 249. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I used to play Kingdom Hearts quite a bit. I've never been that big of a Disney fan, but man, that was an insanely fun game. 250. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I had to forego recording the first half of the '99 race to record an episode of "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends", as I had only one recording source at that time." ...what? I unlisted all of my potentially embarrassing videos from my channel. All that's left are a bunch of stop motion races (time well wasted) and diecast reviews (yeah, listen to my warped opinion). 251. The Long Shot posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah, c'mon. Those videos weren't that embarrassing. You should post more of you playing the piano. Or, better yet, do some sort of weekly video where you just express your opinions on the week's races. I'd definitely watch those. 252. David posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You should post more of you playing the piano." Wait, I have a video of my piano-playing? 253. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, you do stop motions? Just, out of curiousity what is your account name? I love watching those on YouTube, especially the ones on DoubleEEdud's channel (he does seasons using 2012 and 2013 diecast cars). Also, I have a YouTube account, but I don't post any videos. The only reason I use it is so that I can favorite a ton of older racing videos. 254. David posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David, you do stop motions?" Do I do stop motions? /Do I do stop motions??/ DO I DO STOP MOTIONS?!?! ...not anymore. But I certainly did. Boy, did I do stop motions! And I enjoyed making them. They didn't have the best frame rate (I think my maximum was 8, if even that much). But they were, and still are, treasured. "Just, out of curiousity what is your account name?" NASCARsmNut (three guesses what "sm" stands for) 255. The Long Shot posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wait, I have a video of my piano-playing?" Yes, on one of your alternate accounts (RyanandDavid, I believe). And as for one of the other videos on that channel, I forgot how random we kids were at 13. *shakes head* Well, those days are gone. I'm almost 15, man. I'm getting old. Oh, by the way, we have another August birthday to add to the mix: according to a comment that I saw on his channel, cjs's birthday is August 31st. 256. David posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yes, on one of your alternate accounts (RyanandDavid, I believe)." Oh, fine. That was a piano tutorial. For part of a song. That happens to be insanely easy. "And as for one of the other videos on that channel, I forgot how random we kids were at 13. *shakes head* Well, those days are gone. I'm almost 15, man. I'm getting old." *frantically tries to remember password for the channel so he can unlist videos* "Oh, by the way, we have another August birthday to add to the mix: according to a comment that I saw on his channel, cjs's birthday is August 31st." I suspected that that or March 8 was his birthday. 257. David posted: 08.11.2013 - 1:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 22 years ago today, we lost John Delphus McDuffie. 258. Jared DiCarlo posted: 08.11.2013 - 7:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Cole Whitt posted a top ten??? Oh no, the apocalypse is here! 259. Anonymous posted: 08.11.2013 - 8:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not actually a huge surprise, none of the top 10 were. Whitt was quite respectable at road racing compared to his more experienced team-mates last year at JRM. As I understand it, he's also spent a lot more time in shifter karts compared to the other Nationwide regulars. Kligerman won a Formula Ford championship (with Alex Rossi as one of his competitors) before arriving in ARCA, and Allgaier has won a couple of K&N road races if I recall correctly. 260. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.11.2013 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you David for your YouTube username. 261. David posted: 08.11.2013 - 10:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks to the webmaster for putting post #254 in the correct place. 262. cjs3872 posted: 08.11.2013 - 10:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Which one, murb (#249)? I don't play the game, as I would be a terrible game player. What I do is to download the videos and that's how I came up with the series. I'm interested in the story, because I can't afford the game or the systems on which it's played, and even if I could, I'd be absolutely terrible at it. The thing about Kingdom Hearts is that it appeals to all generations. It appeals to younger game players, but it also appeals to older players who can remember those old classic Disney settings just as they were from when they watched the movies when they were kids. And yes, my birthday is August 31, and the year was 1972 (hence the "72" in my user name). 263. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 08.11.2013 - 10:52 am Rate this comment: (1) (4) I think the 54 team worked a deal with the 24,53,19,14,70,and 74 to get a higher finish 264. 83andJoe posted: 08.11.2013 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #40 sponsor: Swisher e-Cigarettes (typo) 265. 83andJoe posted: 08.11.2013 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) -Nelson Piquet Jr's 25th start -Blake Koch's 75th start -Kasey Kahne's 200th start -Mike Bliss' 300th start 266. Anonymous posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @218 Is Basque in France? 267. ch posted: 08.11.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Changes: 00 - Compassion International 01 - JD Motorsports 4 - JD Motorsports 12 - Penske Truck Rental 51 - Clements Automotive 75 - Schneider Electric 77 - Toyota / Bandit Chippers 87 - Jamison Engineering / F1rst Class Auto Body (Should be same for Road America, The 'i' in First is a #1) 268. murb posted: 08.11.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Which one, murb (#249)?" The only one I've played is just the original one that came out in the early 2000s. I remember the kid that lived across the street from me had it and we would go on like seven hour benders playing it. It's really a classic game. 269. Baker posted: 08.11.2013 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski, Hornish and Vickers finish 1-2-3 in the exact same order for the 2nd consecutive race. Has that ever happened before? 270. Whoever posted: 08.11.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambrose's win goes out the window thanks to Blew Dickensderfer. :-( 271. ch posted: 08.11.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Changes: 12 - Penske Truck Rental (same as earlier in the year) 51 - Clements Automotive (team name) 272. Daniel posted: 08.12.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 42 entered at MidOhio: -Ron Fellows in the #5 -Marcos Ambrose in the #9 -Stanton Barrett in the #15 -Michael McDowell in the #18 -A.J. Allmendinger in the #22 -Owen Kelly in the #54 -Tomy Drissi in the #70 -#73 TBA (supposed to be Alx Danielsson) -Kevin O'Connell in the #74 -Jeffrey Earnhardt in the #79 -Tim Cowen in the #86 273. 83andJoe posted: 08.13.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) C-c-c-ch-changes: -Kevin Lepage in the #4 -Jason Bowles in the #42 -Ryan Ellis in the #52 -Andrew Ranger in the #53 274. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 7:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #4 Landon Cassill crew chief--Johnny Davis 275. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 07.02.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Updates #52 Circle Track Warehouse 276. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 07.18.2014 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor of #23 was Timeshare Spot/NASCAR Whelen Euro Series 277. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 07.18.2014 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and Withdrew #92 Dexter Stacey Maddie's Place Ford Kristin Hamelin Crew Chief George Ingram 278. ericthenau posted: 08.07.2014 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dexter Stacey withdrew from this race (he isn't shown with the "WD" indication showing that a driver withdrew), and his car make was Ford (this isn't shown in the "Failed to qualify or withdrew" listing either). 279. Luke posted: 09.24.2018 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No. 23 from Anthony Gandon was a Chevrolet as we can see here: http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2013/nationwide/21wgi/23-wgi.jpg 280. nascar_vd / racing-reference.info posted: 09.24.2018 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @279 "Luke" No Anthony Gandon use a Ford for the race (backup car) after a crash in practice with the Chevrolet (big damage to the front of the Camaro). 281. Luke posted: 09.26.2018 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks @280, you're completely right, i can't found pictures of the ford but yeah it was a Ford, sorry for my mistake 282. thecautionlightnews posted: 09.23.2020 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anthony Gandon is the first French Citizen to race in the Nationwide series, and the very first Ethnic Basque person to race in NASCAR period. For those unaware, the Basque are the most unusual people in Europe, as their language has no known relatives. They live in between France and Spain on the Atlantic Coast. One thing that has permiated into our culture is their hat, the Beret. It is Basque not French 283. Canadianfan posted: 04.21.2021 - 7:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Jayski: So why did Penske choose to run a #48 car when it could have picked a different number? Because the selection wasn't that great, spokesman Jonathan Gibson told USA TODAY Sports. "It's really as simple as there aren't many numbers available; 48 was the best available number," he said. 284. Mile501 posted: 04.21.2021 - 10:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @283 - It still seems like an odd choice. Given Penske's history with the number 2, one would think they would have gone with an available number ending in 2, like 62, 72, or 82. Or even the 02, which they have used before. 285. possum posted: 04.21.2021 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @284 - I agree. Even if some of those other numbers were assigned, but not being used at that race, Penske could have gone with 182 or 302 - only the last two digits appear on the car, so as long as the 82 or 02 (102) wasn't entered, they'd have it. Probably their thinking went something like 12 -> 24 (nope, in use) -> 48 (ok, we're good). Which means if they couldn't have 48 they'd have gone to 96. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: