|| *Comments on the 2013 Virginia 529 College Savings 250:* View the most recent comment <#271> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Kenny posted: 09.06.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) im hoping Austin wins this one and regains the points lead :D 2. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pole! just kidding Brian Scott wins the pole for the 1000th NASCAR Nationwide Series race 3. RaceFanX posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 1,000th race in the history of the Budweiser Late Model Sportsman/Busch Grand National/NASCAR Nationwide series event. To celebrate NASCAR brought back many of the series' former champions to attend this race including the series' original champion Jack Ingram. 4. RaceFanX posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott Sadler had a retro-Jack Ingram inspired paint job on his #11 Toyota for this race. Sadler and Ingram raced each other in go-karts in the lead up to the race to promote the paint job with Elliott winning. 5. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) and to make things full-circle: this race will probably be won by a former Nationwide Series Champion probably the 2009 champion 6. Jarrett88fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or the 2010 champion... although, the 2003 Winston Cup Champion might spoil the 1,000th race party. 7. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) BSPN just segued straight from Dale Earnhardt to Kyle Larson. If you mute your TV right now and find a quiet spot, you can hear the ghost of Big Bill France crying. 8. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BSPN: "We will talk to Brad when we return" What the hell are they gonna ask? "Brad, you do realize 5 NWide wins won't equal one Cup win for your moribund chase hopes, right? ". Well, that is what I would ask. 9. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BSPN just segued straight from Dale Earnhardt to Kyle Larson." Who should they have segued to? Jesus? 10. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Seriously? Somebody from the Washington Redskins to give the command for the 1,000th Nationwide race! Jack Ingram, Sam Ard, Larry Pearson, anyone?! 11. RaceFanX posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ironman Jack Ingram's driving the Toyota Camry pace car, COOL! 12. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look at all them yellow cars... 13. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seriously? Somebody from the Washington Redskins to give the command for the 1,000th Nationwide race! Jack Ingram, Sam Ard, Larry Pearson, anyone?!" Not even a current/former player. Their freaking announcer. 14. Anonomys posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The live leaderboard on the NASCAR website is f'ed up. 15. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kasey Kahne, who has a much better shot of making the Chase than Brad Keselowski, decided to not run this race tonight because he wanted to focus on the Cup series....And Keselowski is running this race???? Really Brad? 16. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Who should they have segued to? Jesus? Yes. 17. Anonomys posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Robert Richardson spins bringing out the first caution. 18. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The weekly Spin of the week for Richardson Jr. Sponsored by EA Sports 19. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne, who has a much better shot of making the Chase than Brad Keselowski, decided to not run this race tonight because he wanted to focus on the Cup series....And Keselowski is running this race???? Really Brad? Believe me, this Brad fan is NOT happy that he is in this race. I mean I'm never happy when he's in minor league races, but this one bugs me more than normal. 20. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) why is the 43 car yellow? the colors for pilot/Flying J are Orange with a Union Pacific yellow 21. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and I just lost my TV connection, I guess its not all bad, I could only see half the screen due to the HD channel plugged into a TV that's older than I am 22. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting that a Mars product, Snickers, is sponsoring Kyle Larson in a Chevrolet for this race when Mars sponsors Kyle Busch's Toyota in Sprint Cup. And honestly guys, sometimes I feel like y'all are a little to hard on ESPN. Maybe it's because I don't particularly care, but I almost never notice and of the supposed "bias" they show. I'm not saying they aren't biased, nor am I saying your a bad person for pointing it out. But for me personally, I don't notice it, nor do I care. 23. Anonymous posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And there is the custodial mention of owner's points. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE OWNER'S POINTS! 24. BradKeselowski2Fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One good thing is that Hornish is allowed to beat the 22 car. One bad thing is that the owner's championship is STILL being mentioned... 25. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What is the deal with Piquet? He has looked terrible all season. 26. The Long Shot posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""Who should they have segued to? Jesus?" Yes." That would be a wee bit difficult, wouldn't it? 27. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jabber, the 43 has been that color all year and it does not look good, i thought it looked great last year (along with better results), glad Brian Scott led so many laps at the first (more than in the rest of his career) he already led more than the polesitter in April, but he won the race, we'll see if Brian can do it or not 28. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, Brian Scott looks good tonight so far. Will it last? Probably not... 29. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "That would be a wee bit difficult, wouldn't it?" Well if they segued FROM one guy who has left this Earth, I suppose they can segue TO another in that same situation. 30. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the first Nationwide race I've bothered to watch in a while, but to me it seems like they are giving the Nationwide regulars a fair share of the coverage. That doesn't change that Marty Reid just isn't a good commentator, though. 31. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Caution for Kyle Busch losing time to the leaders. 32. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael Annett was the fastest car on the entire track just prior to this "debris" caution. Either he or Scott winning this race would be a big upset in my eyes. That's why it probably won't happen. 33. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Brian Scott -- from getting kicked in the balls last race here...to kicking his competitors in the balls (metaphorically). He's doing well so far. 34. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution a good break for Jo. Was hoping cor a better run from her so far. They have really regressed this year. She has just been treading water. Hope she gets one of the Turner cars next year. 35. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I hope so too, DSFF. JoLong is definitely my favorite female driver today. I'm really pulling for Regan Smith to win tonight. He's gotta get himself back into this championship picture! 36. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Uh, I think Vickers needs recalibrate his pit road tach. That looked like an old school pre 1991 pit road exit. 37. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Austin Dillon may be blowing up. 38. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) DSFF, one would think a competitive female driver would attract owners/sponsors. I hope she makes it. I actually think Johanna is more attractive than Danica. 39. The Long Shot posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And there's the pass for the wi...the pass for 5th place. Are my eyes deceiving me, or did Kyle Busch actually get passed in a Nationwide Series race? 40. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven't been exactly paying attention to the race. I've had it on since the beginning though, and Brian Scott is still leading? Wow. I'd love to see him pull it off, especially since he came so close at Indianapolis. Looks like Kenseth is catching him right now though. 41. Kenny posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Don't say shit like that shroeder51 42. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I like Long but she's done nothing to warrant a better ride without paying for it out of her own pocket. 43. The Long Shot posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Larson reportedly has a tire going down. 44. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) I also think Johanna is more attractive than The Baroness. BoB has the face of a little boy and the body of a little girl. Even all dolled up she doesn't do a thing for me. Jo has a simply gorgeous smile, some KICKING curves, and everything this generation of guys love. 45. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BOOM! 46. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jeez ESPN, stop talking about Kyle Busch! Him not contending for the win is a blessing. Keep it that way! 47. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I like Long but she's done nothing to warrant a better ride without paying for it out of her own pocket." In my opinion the same could be said about Johnson's transition to Cup and that hasn't turned out too bad. We aren't saying she deserves a Cup car, just a better Nationwide car. She seems to do the best she can with a bad team. That usually warrants a step up in equipment. 48. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) If the 22 wins the owner's title, and I were in charge of NASCAR, I'd force Brad to carry that trophy everywhere at the track when he isn't in the car until he wins another Cup title as a reminder that he missed the chase as the defending champ getting that useless piece of hardware. I'd also force Kyle to carry his '09 NWide title (when he missed the chase in Cup) until he wins the Cup. 49. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I'd also force Kyle to carry his '09 NWide title (when he missed the chase in Cup) until he wins the Cup." I would imagine Harvick and his 2006 Busch title too since he had a legit shot at the Cup title but wasted it by skipping Cup practice for the Memphis Busch race (after he already won the Busch title!!!). 50. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allgaier and Dillon, round 3 51. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allgaier into the wall. Caution is out. Another chance for Kyle Busch and the Cup drivers to catch up to Scott...who has led every single lap so far. 52. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess it wasn't Dillon that spun Allgaier, but this "fued" started last year at Bristol, remember? They always race each other hard (which is good). 53. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^^^At least Kevin and Kyle's trophy is actually THEIR trophy. Brad wouldn't get that distinction. Actually, I remember hating it at the time, but looking back Harvick's 2006 title was kind of neat. He drove 3 separate cars to win it. Childress's 21 & 29 as well as his own 33. 54. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That 1st pit stall saved Scott's ass that time. 55. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is Johanna suddenly lapped? She was 21st with about 5 cars still to be lapped before her. 56. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know you guys dont care and i dont really either, but i bet the owners championship means alot to the crews of the 22 and 54 teams. 57. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "She seems to do the best she can with a bad team. That usually warrants a step up in equipment." No, doing better than most drivers could with a bad team warrants a step up in equipment. I'm not convinced she's done that. 58. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I really hope a Nationwide regular can win the 1,000th Nationwide race. It seems like many of them have a chance tonight, especially Brian Scott. 59. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Had no idea that Brian Scott won a truck race in 2009, until I just looked it up. 60. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I hate getting my hopes up for Brian. I know this Series. We are in for an epic kick in the balls. 61. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I hate getting my hopes up for Brian. I know this Series. We are in for an epic kick in the balls." DSFF, for me that, unfortunately, describes NASCAR in general since about 2008. I personally thought 2008 was a miserable year for NASCAR. 62. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Caution flag is out again! Meanwhile, let's go to commercial break anyways! 63. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hold on we got a caution on the tra-" Commercial. 64. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) LOL that was hilarious!!! No coverage for you, Marty! 65. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hold on we got a caution..." "As business owners, we love Charter business." That's what I heard. 66. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Lol, "Caution is ou..(cuts to commercial)." 67. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hold on, there is a caution on the track *cuts straight to commercial* 68. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) My TV went to a commercial for Sleepy's. How apropos. 69. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Man, a 12.8 second stop for Scott. They are on their a-game tonight. Here's to hoping he pulls through. 70. Kyle posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's surprising to see Scott running so well for RCR after being very mediocre for JGR the last few years. 71. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski up to second and third, as Kenseth got way high and lost numerous positions. Please, the last thing we need is another #54 and #22 1-2 finish... 72. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Im very surprised at scott, i figured he would lead like 7-10 laps and hang on to the top 5 for awhile and ultimately run 15th the whole 2nd half of the race 73. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Man, this has been a really good race! 74. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How the f**k is Austin Dillon up to fifth??? I thought his motor was running sour not too long ago? Also, side note, anyone else think that Bengals fan in that DirecTV commercial is an ass? I mean, I know it's just a commercial, but what an A-hole, lol... 75. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I swear, if Brad passes Brian I will go apeshit. 76. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) hey, is anyone else getting "al-Jazzera America" commercials every commercial break? 77. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If Scott leads every lap but the final one, I will be so mad I won't be able to see straight. 78. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Why is it that Marty Reid's constant use of the word "history" in reference to an NWide regular is not nearly as annoying as it is when talking about a Cup guy? 79. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) "hey, is anyone else getting "al-Jazzera America" commercials every commercial break?" Haha. NO. Thank God because they're a bunch of Al-Quadea sympathizes. 80. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't have a good feeling about this. 81. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Me neither. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we ended up getting a green-white-checkered and Keselowski smoked Scott on the restart. 82. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dont mind "History" even an 1/8th as much for Bruan Scott as i do for Brad Joey or Kyle 83. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy shit, I just SMILED when Marty Reid said "history". Now THAT is history. Still nervous as hell. These last 50 laps are CRAWLING by. 84. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Now I know the "thumbs up, thumbs down" system doesn't mean anything, but why in the world would someone thumb down an anti-terrorism comment? 85. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least with Brian Scott winning it would be someone completely new in victory lane, rather than the same old #54 and #22 like it's been 90% of the time this year. 86. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shocker-we have a caution! Oh boy. This could get really ugly. 87. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) What a BS Caution 88. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Why. The. Hell. Was. That. A. Caution?! 89. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Hornish punched someone into the wall for a late caution. How conveeeenient 90. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's a caution. Damn. 91. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) THAT was a caution? 92. Kyle posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) @84 They aren't al-Qaeda sympathisers 93. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Phew. Kept the lead on the caution stops. 94. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Oh dear, is BSPN expecting a repeat of Indianapolis? 95. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why is it that Marty Reid's constant use of the word "history" in reference to an NWide regular is not nearly as annoying as it is when talking about a Cup guy?" I feel the same exact way. It's like the word is finally being used properly. 96. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Hey guys i've got a plan lets not talk about terrorism on this racing forum. Ok? 97. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Another caution as Kenseth gets put in the wall. 98. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth into the wall. We're going to have a bunch of cautions to end this race, aren't we? 99. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Saw that coming. There was no way they were going to make it through turn three four-wide. 100. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Epic restart by Brian..... for naught. DAMNIT!! 101. Kyle posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If Scott doesn't win it would be unbearable to have Busch win the 1000th race 102. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Its a shame Michael Annett doesnt have a better pit crew his car is really fast tonight 103. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) i'll make 2 "political" statements even though the webmaster might delete them well, look at it like this, we are about to start a war where we are Al-Quedia Sypathisers I have a solution that prevents all that, I know you don't wanna hear, it. I posted on yahoo Answers and most of them agreed with me 104. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Noooo!!!! 105. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ugh. 106. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course. Keselowski to the lead and another caution. UGH. 107. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) EPIC BRUTALITY!!! 108. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Damnit Brad dont ruin my day.... 109. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now, Brad is about to score yet ANOTHER Nationwide win. Unless Scott can get a really good restart or something... 110. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) That caution with Hal Martin Screw Brian Scott. 111. joey2448 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Orange Cone on Twitter -- "This NNS victory will be great solace should Keselowski not make the chase tomorrow night." 112. New14 & 88Fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Come one Brain get a good restart. 113. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just to briefly comment on the Al Jazeera thing (which I have no idea WHY it is being discussed): In this current events class I took, they taught us that Al Jazeera English is actually one of the more unbiased news networks around. Also, I can't wait until ESPN is gone so we don't have to sit through this In Race Reporter garbage anymore. It's painful to watch these drivers getting their concentration interrupted. Brad with an unbelievable restart. God dammit. 114. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where are the cautions now?!?! 115. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was that start legal? 116. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Just disgusted 117. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) I apologize for bringing it up in the first place, but I don't a apologize for the content of the statement. 118. New14 & 88Fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bah Humbug! 119. Kyle posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sometimes I hate this series 120. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) wow, those last few laps were supprisingly clean 121. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This series is so painful. 122. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just when you think this series couldn't have any more unpopular wins... 123. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Get me my Donny Lia bucket, NOW. That is the most disgusted I've felt by a race's ending in a LONG time. Seriously, just rename this series the NASCAR Joe Gibbs' #54 and Roger Penske's #22 Series already, because those are the only two teams that win in this series. (The NJG54RP22S). 124. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "Just to briefly comment on the Al Jazeera thing (which I have no idea WHY it is being discussed)" because Jabber1990 asked a question about if they are getting commericals about it ": In this current events class I took, they taught us that Al Jazeera English is actually one of the more unbiased news networks around." it has been confirmed that President Obama and Hillary Clinton watch Al-Jazzera in the white house because "its the only source for real news" 125. startandparkfan posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Top 10 for Ryan Reed in one of the most dissapointing finishes of the year. 126. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (7) (3) Thanks Brad, i was eating a sandwich and it was like you came in my living room and pissed all over it. 127. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I like Keselowski, but how in the hell can he feel good about that. Yet he disgustingly is a major proponent of the idea that Cup stars are what people want to see in a Nationwide race. 128. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) And now we can watch Brad finish 15th-20th tomorrow night, when winning is actually important. Man, I've had an awful day today, and this is just the icing on the cake. Horrible way to end a good race. How can anybody actually like this? It's just sickening watching Nationwide regulars get screwed all the time. 129. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Yep, this was the biggest heartbreaking finish I've seen in quite a while. If they wouldn't have thrown the yellow for that 44 barely touching the wall, Brian Scott would have won. Dammit, dammit. 130. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) I love this site. Last year Keselowski walked on water. This year he can't get the time of day. 131. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) There was no reason for that Hal Martin caution to come out at all. He didn't even hit the wall until he came off the corner! NASCAR is just so eager to do anything to spice up the finishes of these races, and they ended up totally ruining this race for me overall. Thanks a million, NASCAR! 132. Peter posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) If you don't feel horrible for Brain Scott your not a true NASCAR fan and/or you don't have a heart. On the plus side the #22 is closer to the owners championship *joking* 133. Kyle posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Cup series drivers with cup series budgets and cup series teams have no place in these lower tier races. It makes it impossible for anyone else to win unless they get lucky. 134. Sky Warrior posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) Watched the whole thing without comment tonight, just sitting back playing a game with the race on in the background. Congrats on a minor league win you piece of garbage. You've slowly been losing me as a fan and now you've really hurt yourself in my eyes. Enjoy missing the Chase tomorrow night and enduring 10 weeks as the defending champion with no way to defend your title. This concludes the part of my rant I can post here 135. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (7) (1) Congrats Brad. I am SO proud of you. You are in the midst of the worst Cup championship defense EVER. Tomorrow night will make a formality that you will be the first defending champ to miss the chase without a win. But hey, you have 5 minor league wins. 3 wins and a 2nd in the minor league short track events. Do you feel like a big man? Do you feel like a superior driver? You aren't. You are a back marker in Cup. A loser. A LOSER. A L-O-S-E-R. Thanks for deflating all of NASCAR nation tonight. Have fun watching the chasers, including your teammate, for the next 10 weeks. 136. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Brian Scott telling it like it is. Can't wait till he gets a trip to the NASCAR hauler and comes out like a zombie. 137. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "it has been confirmed that President Obama and Hillary Clinton watch Al-Jazzera in the white house because "its the only source for real news"" I promise this will be the last comment I make about it unless provoked, but Obama and Clinton watching Al-Jazeera probably makes me like it less than I already did. Besides why does the President of the United States need to watch any news. He should be privy to info that no one, including the news media, knows. As I typed that Brain Scott was being interviewed. I admire his passion. I still don't understand how Keseloski can feel good about that. 138. Kyle posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What did Scott say? 139. jabber1990 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Brad pulled his "patented" dirty move. where he lags and sandbags so that everyone else around him cant pass him 140. Jarrett88fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Highway robbery at its finest... Andy Petree sounded very dejected when the #22 started burnouts. I will laugh so hard when the defending champion officially misses the Chase tomorrow night. Karma is a ... 141. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) What did Scott say? That BK jumped the final restart and he wants to know from NASCAR a clarification of the rules and when they apply and to whom. Like I mentioned before, he'll be a zombie in about an hour. 142. Sky Warrior posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That in car shot of the restart just confirmed what Brian Scott said, Brad jumped the last restart big time. I don't get how that wasn't blatantly obvious to the BSPN guys. NASCAR I can understand because that was a slowed down in car view, but there was no reason to be defending Brad's restart there. "We're not supposed to be biased," said Marty Reid earlier in the broadcast, his words now ground into the dirt underneath his Monster Energy/Miller Lite fanshoes 143. dennyfan11 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) this extends the steak up cup regulars winning to 12 IN A ROW!! that must be the WORST finish of the season. just ban cup regulars from competing and i will be happy. DONT limit the races they run,ban them all together! it ruins the purpose of the series! when it was started,it was supposed to be a developmental series for aspiring young guns. now,its just meant to make extra practice for cuppies! If NASCAR doesnt do something now,I will be ENRAGED. COME ON!!!! Just do what i want,and what probably EVERYONE IN THE FANBASE wants,and ban cup drivers from competing in nationwide. 144. New14 & 88Fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Brain Scott handled that pretty well. One day he will get that first win. 145. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Epic interview by Brian. Brad clearly jumped that start. Typical NASCAR bullshit. Johanna gets a Top 20 after being trapped a lap down until the end. About the only bright spot for me. I HATE THIS F***ING SERIES!!!! HE JUMPED THE START BY 100 FEET!!! 146. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm honestly gonna root a bit for Logano once he's in the Chase (yeah I know, I can't believe it either). Maybe Brad will whip into shape if he sees his teammate (who he handpicked to come in and basically be his wingman) win the title. 147. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) lol at Austin trying to sound like a badass in his interview. 148. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I will NEVER rent a car from Hertz. 149. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Brian Scott was robbed. There was NO reason for Hal Martin's "crash" to bring out a yellow flag. ROBBED. 150. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) He said that about Keselowski? Oh dear. Expect NASCAR to throw the book at Scott for daring to question one of the almighty Cup Series drivers. I wouldn't be too surprised if they fined him big time or deducted championship points from his total. 151. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) He totally jumped the start. That was identical to Carl Edwards' restart in the Spring 2012 race here that he got screwed for. 152. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just watched the replay of Johnson's Dover restart. Keselowski's was worse, I think. 153. Peter posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That BK jumped the final restart and he wants to know from NASCAR a clarification of the rules and when they apply and to whom" When the popular drivers can benefit they wave the rules 154. dennyfan11 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) and also,STOP HATING ON KESELOWSKI! its not his fault. if you want to blame someone,blame NASCAR for throwing a caution for such a minor incedent. And no,i do not want you to be hating on that. 155. Kyle posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) A prime example of why NASCAR has become less popular the last 10 years 156. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Oh Austin, you are such a badass. "If you wanna talk, we can do it outside the track". You are an outlaw turned hero. Allgaier is what? 4'6"? The Outlaw picking fights with mid packers. The legacy continues..... to get pissed on. 157. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Good job by Trevor Bayne to run 13th all night and finish 5th and good job by Ryan Reed on his first top 10 in 9th, Travis Pastrana ran well tonight at times, but i didnt see how that crash started he was in. 158. startandparkfan posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "That BK jumped the final restart and he wants to know from NASCAR a clarification of the rules and when they apply and to whom When the popular drivers can benefit they wave the rules" Yet what the fans want was a nationwide regular winning, NASCAR just doesn't get it. 159. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) DennyFan, I am a Brad fan. And it was 100% his fault. 160. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Mood: Fulminating. 161. startandparkfan posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Adding to my "NASCAR doesn't get it" statement, yes, now a nationwide driver will win a championship, but can you really consider yourself a champion with only 1 or 2 wins? This series is becoming more of a joke than Lights or X-1R. 162. Jarrett88fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:03 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) It is getting to the point where many of us will only watch standalone Nationwide races because of ridiculous shit like this, jumping restarts and no black flag. I wonder what Jimmie and Carl would think about that last restart? The video doesn't lie. 163. dennyfan11 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) excuse me,but many champions have won 1 or 2 races. it really matters on consistency. 164. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) dennyfan11: the "bad joke" part comes from the fact that you have 8- and 10-win drivers, ineligible for points. They need to go to my system where drivers entered in a weekend's Cup race and in the top 35 in points can't enter races in other National Touring Series at the same track on the same weekend unless they're Cup rookies. We now return you to sitting in the corner under a thundercloud. 165. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) In my opinion, watching things like this is actually WORSE than watching Jimmie Johnson dominate a Cup race. At least he has a right to be there... 166. DB1995 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to, but no matter how bad nationwide gets i will still watch it as my favorite driver only races in nationwide seems like. 167. Anthony posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR's has had more heartbreaking finishes this year than EVER. That's why NASCAR has been so boring since the decade was open in 2010. It just goes to show you how much they make it look stupid they never let someone win. And plus I hate this year screw the nationwide series this sucks I can't stand these cup guys winning Jimmy Spencer can tell you about it. Also there have been rumors saying that what I predict no more nationwide series for cup guys. It may not happen but I want nationwide drivers to WIN! 168. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Brian Scott got kicked "below the belt" again, this time by NASCAR. 169. Jarrett88fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Daytona, Talladega, Road America, 1st Iowa, and Mid-Ohio were the only worthwhile Nationwide races this year. Michigan wasn't bad either. 170. BradKeselowski2Fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) http://boards.fightingamphibians.org/sc2/src/131229934425.png Exactly how I feel right now. 171. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "They need to go to my system..." ...which would drive sponsors and their money out of NASCAR. Sorry, 83andJoe, but any system that doesn't address *that* problem is a complete non-starter. 172. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Brad, your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! 173. Joe Fan #87 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) This just proves yet again that Nascar wants Cup guys winning these damn races...This was just blatantly obvious, it's not even funny. At least Brian handled it well. Brad of Kyle would have been crying probably how they got cheated and shit...Oh how I really hope Brad misses the chase tomorrow. 174. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I can understand a Cup driver running the full or mostly full Nationwide schedule if they're a rookie in the Cup Series, but when we have people who have been in NASCAR's highest ranks for nearly a decade (like Kyle Busch) or people who have already one the championship at NASCAR's highest level (like Keselowski) step in, run the overwhelming majority of the series' races, and win most of them, it's just ridiculous. Especially when they win with equipment ridiculously superior to 95% of the rest of cars out there. It's nothing more than ego-stroking at its' worst. But don't worry, it won't change anytime soon, because the sponsors love and approve of it, and the sponsors are what matters most in this sport. 175. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Jim Davis: The alternative is to let the series die. 176. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "They need to go to my system where drivers entered in a weekend's Cup race and in the top 35 in points can't enter races in other National Touring Series at the same track on the same weekend unless they're Cup rookies." I don't think the rule needs to be that extreme. "Claimjumpers" have provided us with good moments such as Earnhardt Jr.'s win at Daytona in 2010 in the #3 car. Under your rules, that wouldn't have happened. They just need to limit the number of overall races Sprint Cup regulars can run to 7 or so. 177. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And sadly, I don't believe there is any solution to the Cup driver problem that wouldn't result in all the sponsors pulling out of the series. I hate to say it, but it's probably the dismal truth. 178. Jarrett88fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "In my opinion, watching things like this is actually WORSE than watching Jimmie Johnson dominate a Cup race. At least he has a right to be there..." ~ As painful as it sounds regarding NapTime, yes it is true. I would add, watching the #48 win a 6th championship wouldn't be as destructible as this incident. 179. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Schroeder: Then we need to either let the series die and be replaced by Trucks, or figure out how to make the cars more different than Cup cars (V-6s?) so that (a) there will be less of the "use the Nationwide race as final practice" and (b) it will at least be a /different type of car/ when a Cupper wins. Moving Cup happy hour back to after the Nationwide race would be a good start. 180. New14 & 88Fan posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) If Brad runs like crap and misses the chase tomorrow night I will laugh, it'd be prefect karmic payback for the farce he and NASCAR put on tonight. And I'm saying as a BK fan myself. "But don't worry, it won't change anytime soon, because the sponsors love and approve of it, and the sponsors are what matters most in this sport." Sad but true. 181. cjs3872 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) I saw the replay on that restart, as well. Brad jumped it, but by no more than a car length, and if it's that close, there's no way NASCAR can take action, nor should it. If NASCAR's going to take action, they had better be sure they're right, and they only get one chance. When making their decision, NASCAR does not have access to the replays we get, and at full speed from the tower, it's almost impossible to tell if Brad jumped the start, and if so, by how much. If you think about it, Brad Keselowski's this generation's version of Bobby Unser, and restarts are one major reason why. Nobody ever liked to play games on the restarts like Bobby Unser did. He was known for that. But I've said it before. What NASCAR needs to do is move the restart line further from the S/F line on most tracks, though on short tracks like Richmond, it's almost impossible to do that. But there's another reason Brad Keseloswki won this race, or for that matter, there's a reason why Brian Scott lost this race, and goes back to something Jackie Stewart said during the telecast of the 1976 Daytona 500. There are drivers that know how to win races and there are others who don't know how to win, and Scott does not know how to win a race, while Keselowski knows how to win races, and frankly, that's what tonight's race came down to, and nothing else. And this comes from experience battling for race wins, and Scott simply does not have that experience. And is it me, or does it seem like anything can ignite when the 3, 6, and 31 cars get together on the track, because those three drivers always seem to have run-ins. Austin Dillon, Trevor Bayne, and Justin Allgaier just don't seem to like each other, and when any two of them are together, you can expect something, but when all three of them are together, it's almost certain that sparks will fly, and that's what happened. When it wasn't the 3 and 31 getting together, one of them was tangling with the 6 car. Dillon got together with Bayne a time or two, and Allgaier spun while underneath Bayne, so whenever any two of those three are close, you can expect something to happen, but when all three of them are together, as was seemingly the case for much of the race, expect sparks to fly. At least Bayne somehow got out of that hornet's nest near the end of the race to finish fifth when he was running 9th-15th much of the race, where the other two were running much of the night. 182. SpeedWorld97 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I don't think the rule needs to be that extreme. "Claimjumpers" have provided us with good moments such as Earnhardt Jr.'s win at Daytona in 2010 in the #3 car. Under your rules, that wouldn't have happened. They just need to limit the number of overall races Sprint Cup regulars can run to 7 or so." That's exactly it. Look at Dale Jr.'s Nationwide schedule every year. He runs a maximum of four to five events per year IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT(including next weekend at Chicagoland). And do you want to know why he does it, because to him it is fun. He's not there to whine about Nationwide regulars not moving out of his way or because of sponsor committments. 183. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Wow, cjs just defended Brad Keselowski jumping the restart and defended his victory by saying Scott does not know how to win a race. Can he defend NASCAR for throwing a caution for Hal Martin's "accident" that set all this up? That's what I want to know. Had that caution not come out, Scott almost certainly wins this race as Keselowski was never able to really get close to him before that. 184. Schroeder51 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No offense meant, but seriously, what cjs said is going to make a LOT of people's blood around here boil. 185. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) " The alternative is to let the series die." The series will last longer with money than without. Ignoring that reality will not make it go away. 186. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #NASCAR officiates football: "The runner was down before the goal line. But not blatantly. So it's a touchdown." #richmond #nns Good tweet from Nascarcasm. 187. The Long Shot posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) And the bitching begins... As for my thoughts on the whole "Al-Jazeera" thing, all I have to say is that there is no such thing as an un-biased news network. The liberals have MSNBC (the word "news" in its title should come with an asterisk, considering about 3/4 of their programming is entertainment) and the conservatives have Fox News (which is well known for jumping the gun on reports and occasionally even making up facts). It's likely that Al-Jazeera has some sort of Middle-Eastern bias, but I highly doubt that they support terrorism or anything like that. 188. Kevin posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) #NASCAR NNS Dir. Wayne Auton on next-to-last restart with Scott & Kez: "We're not going to micro-manage that part of it. #AskMRN @MRNRadio So basically what they are saying here is "the rule is you can't beat the leader to the line....unless it's just by a little bit, then it's totally cool." This race left a bad taste in my mouth. 189. cjs3872 posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I didn't defend Brad jumping the restart. What I defended was NASCAR's decision not to penalize him because it was too close, especially since NASCAR only gets one shot at it, and have to call it from the tower. They don't get to look at the replays like we do, so they have one shot at making the call, and they had better be sure they're right if they make such a call to decide a race. And from where they were sitting, it wasn't obvious enough that Brad jumped, nor was it flagrant enough to warrant a penalty. Brad jumped the restart, but it was only by about a car length, and that's not enough for NASCAR to penalize him, especially since he was the leader. I've seen a few comments comparing this to Jimmie Johnson's restart at Dover, but there was one very big difference in the two situations. Tonight when he jumped, Brad was the leader, while at Dover, Jimmie was NOT the leader, and there's a big difference between the two situations. And yes, Brian Scott does not know how to win at this level, and that's something that can only be acquired through experience, and Scott does not have that experience. When and if he gets more experience at racing for wins, he'll probably know how to finish it out, but he does not know how at this point, and that's why he lost this one, pure and simple, because he had everyone covered. Of course, watching this race, you just knew that Brian Scott, a driver known for making mistakes, was going to make one at the most inopportune time, but you just didn't know what it would be. And by the way, this is the second time this year that one of RCR's championship-eligible drivers thoroughly dominated a race, only to come up short. Austin Dillon did exactly this at Iowa, only to have Trevor Bayne beat him in a fender-banging duel. Now I must confess, I did not see what set up this finish, namely the Hal Martin situation, so I can't give a fair assessment of that, but if it's as stated by others on this board, then NASCAR screwed up, but I can't give a fair opinion of that myself. 190. Anonymous posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) what a horrible 1000th race for a series that had a great start and prospered through the 80s, 90s and early 00s. i only made it to halfway before i had to change the channel. i dont know why i always have hope for nascar. the nationwide series is in a such sad state, that it's not even funny. if you enjoyed any of this race, something is seriously wrong with you, you are ignorant or you are a new nascar fan and dont know the history of the sport and how it used to be. i spit in disgust 191. Sky Warrior posted: 09.06.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "what a horrible 1000th race for a series that had a great start and prospered through the 80s, 90s and early 00s. i only made it to halfway before i had to change the channel. i dont know why i always have hope for nascar. the nationwide series is in a such sad state, that it's not even funny. if you enjoyed any of this race, something is seriously wrong with you, you are ignorant or you are a new nascar fan and dont know the history of the sport and how it used to be. i spit in disgust" Anon, did you actually watch the race or did you just have that pre-typed and ready to post regardless of what actually happened in the race? I'm thinking the latter 192. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >The series will last longer with money than without. Ignoring that reality will not make it go away. And I'm saying that in its current state it /shouldn't/ last longer. Either take a radical step to fix the problem, or put a stake through its heart. >So basically what they are saying here is "the rule is you can't beat the leader to the line....unless it's just by a little bit, then it's totally cool." The restart Brad jumped was the last one where he was the leader. Either that or he jumped the last /two/... 193. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not gonna start micro managing? Ha! HaHa! HaHaHa! That is all the officials of this sport have done since 1948. 194. murb posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but if it's as stated by others on this board, then NASCAR screwed up" Nascar screwed up. 195. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad, if you don't have a strong race tomorrow night I will be pissed. Seeing you run off in Cup races this year and winning Nationwide race after Nationwide race is VERY uninspiring. 196. Anonymous posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 7th top 20 finish for Long in her last 8 starts 197. DRF posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) I don't care about the last restart, it's NEVER good to see a ride buyer win. If a really decent driver were in the 2 car, it most definitely would've led every lap. 198. ch posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I'm still not sure how this whole thing got started, but for me, I cannot watch either Fox News or MSNBC. CNN is bearable, and I haven't watched enough of the new Al Jazeera America to get a solid feel for it. I did like Al Jazeera English though, more for their effort to cover worldwide news. It's too bad that they blocked the stream of AJ English ever since AJ America came along. 199. 83andJoe posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #86 sponsor: Rev1 Power Services/Platinum Wealth Partners 200. Jim Davis posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And I'm saying that in its current state it /shouldn't/ last longer. Either take a radical step to fix the problem, or put a stake through its heart." Really, 83andJoe? A few Cup drivers are winning too many Nationwide races and you want to shut down the series, throw thousands of people out of work, force dozens of teams out of business, renege on dozens if not hundreds of contracts, with huge negative effects on supporting businesses and expect the result to actually help NASCAR? Indycar in almost 20 years has yet to recover from its last radical step. Hysterical overreaction is never a solution. You don't cut off someone's head to cure a bad case of dandruff. 201. Watto posted: 09.06.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sucks to see Brian Scott fall short, I was pulling for him. The restart where Brian Scott spun his tires and Brad barely beat him at the line was legal based on every similar situation we've seen since the inception of double file restarts, however, the last restart was a jump and he should've been black flagged. The caution for the 44 should have never happened. Brian Scott would've held on unless he had a monumental collapse or trouble with a lapped car. cjs, it's interesting you bring up the 3, 6, and 31, because you're totally right about them. Everyone else, feel free to remind yourself of what I'm about to say. Any time Trevor Bayne and Allgaier are 3-wide with anybody else, 100% of the time someone gets either a flat tire, damaged, or wrecked. They are two drivers who simply race over their heads, pinch a lot, chop block a lot, and aren't the most aware. If those 2 are in the same 3 wide battle, trouble happens. If you remove one of them, trouble happens the majority of the time rather than all the time. Tonight provided a bunch of examples. As for the 4 wide wreck, you'll notice that they were only going to be 3 wide, but Allgaier doored Hornish to get room to make it 4 wide, when he would've been in a box and had to lift a little for Dillon. Certainly, there's a lot of blame to go around for that wreck, but I give Allgaier the highest percentage of blame because his move to look 4 wide is simply something you shouldn't do at Richmond. It will always result in a wreck. On a different note, I'm a little ashamed of just how many people are losing their minds over Brad; calling him a loser, invoking karma, and so on. He's won 5 races in 12 starts out of a possible 25 starts he could have. It's not the end of the world. 12 out of 25 is slightly less than half, of course. This clearly isn't his focus. What's happened in Cup is completely independent of the Nationwide stuff. He won the championship with MORE Nationwide races than this year, so clearly that's not the problem! Maybe the problem is big points penalties, getting wrecked G-d knows how many times this year, engines blowing up multiple times this year. Maybe it's that! I'm not going to hate the guy for doing his job. He's running roughly half the schedule. So is Joey. Get mad all you like, but simply getting mad at Brad is displacing the blame. Each and every one of you would do what he's doing in the same circumstances. You wouldn't leave sponsors out to dry and risk losing your dream job for not fulfilling your contract. Were you mad at Mark Martin in the 90s when he was a force in Cup and running half the schedule? Were you mad at Dale Earnhardt when he was running half the races in Nationwide while he was a force in Cup? How about Jeff Burton? I don't need to go on. I don't like the constant appearances of Cup drivers in Nationwide, but I'm not about to lose my mind over it and displace the blame. The biggest problem is that the Nationwide Series follows the Cup series around ALL THE TIME. That's the #1 thing to change. Forget about making it black and white with not allowing Cup drivers and whatnot, because what about the Cup drivers who get paid little and run 30th or park? They're not the issue. If they didn't move the series to follow the Cup so much, we wouldn't have this much of a problem. 202. Mark N. posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) I want to congratulate BK on his 0th Cup win of the season!! These Nationwide wins will come in handy when you're not in the chase. I actually had hope. Brian Scott deserved that win. I can't even process my emotions right now. I've been pulling for this guy since his struggles at Gibbs because I know he has talent. Just disgusted with this race. On a completely rude and random note, I really feel like this is the first time all year Richard Childress has paid any attention to Brian Scott. Them Dillon boys are stealing the show in that organization. 203. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) I want to congratulate BK on his 0th Cup win of the season!! Made me laugh. I have actually sent him some pretty snarky tweets including one that said this race ended like a Cup race, the 2 car not winning. As for heart breaking late race losses, this ranks alongside the '07 Daytona 500, the '96 Southern 500, and the '05 Coke 600. Of course nothing compares to the 1998 Fall Michigan race. Mark's post race interview..... ouch. Still hurts to think about. 204. 83andJoe posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jim Davis: No, I don't. But the current state of the series is /broken/, and if we cannot /fix/ the series because "won't somebody think of the sponsors", as you say, then either it's left to shamble along in its current zombie state, or put out of its misery. Limiting Cup drivers to seven races or so a year won't fix the sponsor issue, because then the sponsors will just cut back to seven races or so a year. If we can't radically change the series - like, say, changing to crate V-6 power and moving Cup Happy Hour back after the Nationwide race - it's going to die anyway, slowly and painfully. 205. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Scott led more laps tonight than the entire rest of his NASCAR career combined 206. Jim Davis posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "But the current state of the series is /broken/..." Then make a suggestion that actually addresses the real issue instead of ignoring it. The issue is not "how to get Cup drivers out of Nationwide", it's "how to get Cup drivers out of Nationwide without losing the money they bring into Nationwide". "If we can't radically change the series - like, say, changing to crate V-6 power..." I fail to see how increasing the costs to both Sprint Cup and Nationwide teams addresses any problem. The use of a common engine block across all three series was instituted as a cost containment measure. I doubt any NASCAR team in any series would want to go back to supporting a series specific engine block. "...and moving Cup Happy Hour back after the Nationwide race..." This doesn't address the problem. Sure, it would make it less attractive for Cup drivers to drive in the Nationwide series. It would also make it less attractive for sponsors to stay in the Nationwide series without Cup drivers to sponsor. I think the ultimate solution is to wait for the economy to improve to the point where advertising budgets increase and sponsorships are easier to come by regardless of whether the driver is a household name or not. Sort of like the boom years of the '90s. Of course, if the economy continues to limp along the long term prospects for a lot of motorsports series are grim. But this is beyond the control of NASCAR and the presence of Cup drivers in the Nationwide series would merely be a symptom of a much greater, national, perhaps global, problem. 207. DB1995 posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) the most laps Brian Scott had led in a race prior to last night was 5 208. murb posted: 09.07.2013 - 1:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Were you mad at Mark Martin in the 90s when he was a force in Cup and running half the schedule? Were you mad at Dale Earnhardt when he was running half the races in Nationwide while he was a force in Cup? How about Jeff Burton? I don't need to go on." I wasn't around for when Earnhardt was doing it, but when Martin and Burton were in the Busch races I would always root for Lajoie or Sawyer or someone to beat them (and I like both Mark and Jeff). Same goes for me when Harvick and Biffle would run every week in the mid 2000s. And now it's the same for Brad, Kyle, and Logano. It isn't fun to watch Cup guys come in with their Cup powerhouse teams and just shred these guys apart. It wasn't fun then, and it's not fun now. 209. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 1:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Updates: #86 Rev1 Power Services #01 Iron Source 210. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.07.2013 - 1:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't like it when Mark ran the Winn Dixie car because you already knew it was his race to lose since it was a Roush car. As for Dale, he ran his own equipment or other non Winston Cup teams stuff. That is why, outside of Daytona, he has a pretty mediocre Busch record. 211. Watto posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Believe me, I root for the underdog about as much as one can - it's just that I don't get angry personally at the drivers in question. I wasn't wishing for karma to affect Mark Martin in a negative way even though I wasn't enthralled with his Busch Series wins. 212. b4il3y posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:10 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) And Gentlemen... this is why.. they need to curb the bushwhacking. I've known this for years and years..and now the agitation from the fans is at an all time high. Time to make a change. You win a cup race, you dont run in Busch. Point made. 213. murb posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The thing about it though is that these NNS only drivers shouldn't be the underdogs in their own series (unless of course they are full on underdogs in underfunded equipment). It's absolutely ridiculous how a win by CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS like Hornish or Smith or even Brian Scott (who drives for a good team) would be considered an underdog win. 214. 83andJoe posted: 09.07.2013 - 5:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Landon Cassill's 50th start >Ryan Reed's first career top-10 215. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 5:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) makes me absolutely sick, Id rather see this series just die off than continue on as this joke 216. smcnew87 posted: 09.07.2013 - 7:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR, get these cup drivers out of this series PLEASE!!! 217. chris o posted: 09.07.2013 - 7:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another idea, do as the ARCA series does, you finish in the top 20 in points, you cant run in the series, 218. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 7:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #01-Mike Wallace crew chief--Johnny Davis #4-Landon Cassill crew chief--Dave Fuge 219. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 8:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Two years in a row Brad Keselowski cheats and gets an NNS win at the expense of the #2. 220. Peter posted: 09.07.2013 - 8:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Another idea, do as the ARCA series does, you finish in the top 20 in points, you cant run in the series" But then we'll see drivers sandbaging just so they can run in this series, 'cause lord knows a nationwide win is far more important than a cup championship! 221. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You cant just "cut the cord" that would be bad for everyone; as much as we don't want to believe it the N'wide drivers do learn things from racing/ w the cup guys that helps their development. I think the solution is quite simple: limit the amount of N'wide races the cup guys can run based on their experience. So a rookie could run the full schedule if he wants, 2 years you can only run 20-25 races, 3 years 15-20 races, 4 years 10-15 races, 5 years 5-10 races, and 5 or more years you can only run up to 5 races per season. 222. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 9:19 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) To the guys saying that Earnhardt and Martin used to dominate this series years ago...that is not a fair analogy. Cup drivers used to drive in their own equipment or equipment that was about equal to the busch series regulars. BIG DIFFERENCE. There were also other factors in play. Basically, a 90s busch race where Martin dominates would be much better to watch(IMO) than a modern era race where Kyle Busch dominates a race. Why you may ask? Well at least back then you had some GOOD RACING going on, the series went to actual SHORT TRACKS that put on a good show regardless of who was racing, the cars looked DAMN GOOD, there was strong competition between SEVERAL makes, there was ACTION on the track as opposed to a bunch of cautions for debris, the TIRE was pretty decent in wear and played a big role in many races, GREAT lineup of talented drivers, you saw a lot of ATTRITION throughout a race and a bunch of other things. So what's the solution? No idea, I'd say it's too broke to fix it honestly. The sooner nationwide completely dies off, the better. And I know some people will read this and still be in denial. Go ahead, live in your fantasy world. 223. lemonhead75 posted: 09.07.2013 - 10:35 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) If Kyle Busch had led 239 laps he would be hailed as the next messiah. Brian Scott probably won't be remembered for it 3 weeks down the road. 224. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 11:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't know if anyone caught it, but I believe Johanna Long set a career best running 2nd for a few laps; I pretty sure this is the highest she has ever run in Nationwide 225. Rexrobe posted: 09.07.2013 - 11:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) A very simple fix is: you can only collect one paycheck per weekend, chosen before practice starts. No $$$ = no problems. 226. David posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I knew from the time NASCAR announced their "pick-a-series" rule in 2011 that it wouldn't fix the problem. They should have limited the amount of races each driver could run. I honestly wouldn't mind if Cup drivers came down to race every once in a while, but this is just sad. I know sponsors demand the Cup drivers in the NNS car, but unless it is specified in the driver's contract that they have to run a certain number of NNS races along with their full Cup schedule, nobody's forcing them to do it. I feel really bad for you guys. The finish of this race must have been excruciating to watch. After reading about it, I am pretty disgusted, too (though I haven't seen the alleged jumped restart by Brad Keselowski, so I can't make a fair judgment there). This Nationwide season has been among the lowest in history, especially after entering the season with such high hopes after seeing all the fresh faces about to make their debut. And since then, it's been nothing but one giant puke in the Donny Lia bucket. 227. cjs3872 posted: 09.07.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Watto, you're mostly right about the point you make in post #201 regarding Bayne, Dillon, and Allgaier, though I'm not sure I agree about the lack of track sense that you brought up, particularly where Bayne is concerned, but also Dillon to a lesser extent. I just think it's a case where those three race each other harder than they would anyone else, because I do think there's no love lost between them on the track. Of those three, Allgaier has the furthest to go simply because he doesn't have anyone mentoring him. Dillon has Richard Childress (and Jeff Burton) and Bayne has the Wood Brothers (none of the other Roush drivers can be considered mentors, which is why we've seen him with the HMS drivers almost as much as the Roush drivers when he's run in the Cup Series), so those two each have a vast amount of experience to draw off of, while Allgaier doesn't have any of that. Plus, Allgaier has a history of racing others much harder than he should. I'll be very interested in seeing what he does in the #51 Cup car, because he's not going to get away with some of the stuff he's gotten away with in the Nationwide Series. But watching Allgaier, Bayne, and Dillon together is a lot like watching Earnhardt, Geoff Bodine, and Rusty Wallace together back in the 80s and early 90s. You know if any two of them get together, something might happen, but if all three of them get together, something's almost certain to happen, and it did, though Bayne, for the most part, was a bystander this time, though he did get into it slightly with Dillon, and was the one on Allgaier's outside when Justin spun out. And by the way, did anyone else notice that when Austin Dillon and Allgaier were chatting with each other after the race, that we never saw one of Allgaier's crew members, but we certainly saw Dillon's crew chief. It wasn't as bad as what happened at Bristol last year between Bayne and Austin Dillon when seemingly half of RCR came down there, while Bayne went it alone, as none of his crew members were there. I just thought it was interesting to note that in both of the mentioned confrontations, Dillon had members of his team on the scene, while the other parties (Allgaier last night and Bayne last August) did not. 228. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On the topic of news networks: calling Al-Jazeera America terrorist sympathizers isn't even remotely accurate. Al-Jazeera is owned by the Qatari government and Qatar is one of the USA's closest allies in the Middle East. The network may have some obvious inherent biases when it comes to Middle East issues, but they are generally considered to be a network that reports on the issues that many mainstream sources neglect. My opinion on the major news networks, for what it's worth: FOX News: Generally so far right it should be called the GOP News Network, but they've recently made efforts to hire more Democrats and liberals such as Dennis Kucinich. Still, you kind of have to laugh when you hear a FOX talking head talking about mainstream media bias, as if the most watched news network isn't mainstream enough and as if they aren't biased (several times the hosts have used "we" in reference to the GOP). MSNBC: They're pretty neutral in the morning hours, but the early afternoon through evening hours are occupied completely by unapologetic liberals. They do feature a lot of conservatives as contributors, but they usually get ganged up on by the host and liberal contributors and don't really have a chance to make their point. Chris Matthews is a complete joke. CNN: The C should stand for "corporate." They're not always left or right, but they do try to hype a lot of non-stories and manufacture headlines. I remember flipping to it during election season and I saw they had new polling numbers in that showed Obama with a 4% lead over Romney, but Wolf Blitzer said they were tied because it had a 4% margin of error. He didn't even say it was a statistical tie, he just said they were tied. He also said both the 2nd and 3rd debates were "too close to call" when every poll found Obama won them by substantial margins. It's dishonest reporting such as this that made a lot of people so surprised that Obama was so easily reelected. The Blaze: A conspiracy theorist haven and not worth taking seriously. Glenn Beck repeatedly claims he has scoops on major scandals involving Democrats and that he will report them on a certain date, but then goes on his program having seemingly forgot he ever said anything. PBS: Probably the most unbiased network out there, though not wholly a news network of course. They actually focus on the news rather than trying to be entertaining and the fact that they are "boring" tends to turn a lot of people off. RT: Russian propaganda outlet, but they provide a different perspective on things and they usually feature interesting guests. I haven't seen the new Al-Jazeera America network yet as I don't get it on my cable package, but I would certainly be willing to give it a chance given the other options. I'm a little skeptical because they bought the old Al Gore network Current TV, but this is a completely different network from everything I have read. 229. The Long Shot posted: 09.07.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) CNN is also notable for jumping the gun on reports like Fox News, although at least CNN isn't obviously biased towards one particular political view-point. I've never really seen it, but the news network that seems to be the least biased is CBS News. They actually report important news for the most part, instead of stories about who Selena Gomez is dating or about how Obama is apparently the Anti-Christ. And unlike PBS, CBS makes the news interesting enough that people will pay attention. That being said, I don't watch the news on TV, but I read it on NBCNews.com, just because the site is fairly easy to navigate and the site isn't as obviously biased as the television outlet. 230. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Look...as far as talking head/debate shows, Fox News almost certainly has the most fair coverage. Despite this huge misconception that everyone who works for Fox is an obviously far right individual, but the only Fox host who is an outspoken Republican is Hannity and even he brings on both sides to debate the issue. Fox New's "talking head" lineup: A man who is an asshole, but definitely takes positions on both sides of the political spectrum, an outspoken Republican, and a fair minded Democrat who has been in the journalism field for years. MSNBC's "talking heads": A man who said Obama sent a tingle up his leg, an avowed socialist, a lesbian, someone who called a female conservative pundit a slut, a liberation theology black "leader", and a man who said he had a problem calling soldiers heroes since it is "rhetorically proximate" to justifying war. You tell me which one is more representative of the American public... I only choose to focus on Fox and MSNBC since, if you are into or follow politics, those are likely the channels you watch. I will say that I'm not so sure about PBS being unbiased. Remember they are partially funded by the government and if there is one thing NASCAR has taught it's that generally the people who have the checkbook can control what happens. 231. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Long Shot, as far as "jumping the gun" on reporting, I would say the most egregious case of this recently happened by ABC. It's no secret most people in the news media are liberals. Ask anyone. Even if they remain unbiased on air, it's a generally well known fact. Anyway, the media had been trumping up this narrative of "right wing violence" particularly after the shooting in Tuscon, AZ that left Congresswoman Gabby Giffords injured. After the name of the suspect in the Auroa, CO theater shooting came out ABC reported that there was a member of the local Tea Party group had the same name. It was this liberal and biased fear of this (false) violence caused by right wingers that led to this erroneous and potentially reputation damaging report. 232. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Banning Cup drivers would drive a lot of big sponsors out.... which would drive down the costs of competing in this Series. The biggest problem is the way the Cup takeover of this Series has clogged the talent pipeline. We are seeing the constant recycling of drivers in Cup, and that is never a good thing. 233. Jim Davis posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Don't know if anyone caught it, but I believe Johanna Long set a career best running 2nd for a few laps; I pretty sure this is the highest she has ever run in Nationwide" How did she manage this? There were no green flag pit stops where she could have waited to be the 2nd to last to pit. I suppose she could have stayed out under caution and then pitted with the lap down cars but that would make no sense at all. What am I missing here? 234. 83andJoe posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to JD Motorsports, Clinton Cram is supposed to be the crew chief for the #4 through the remainder of the year, starting at Atlanta. Was this changed? 235. The Long Shot posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) So...you're saying that the same news network which has called Obama a racist and a Muslim extremist, claimed that far-left Democrats are Al-Qaeda supporters, referred to anti-war protesters as terrorists, and has even joked about killing off Obama unbiased? Okaaaaay. Well, since I just bashed Fox News, I'd better do my due diligence and bash the other networks. MSNBC: Openly biased towards Obama; accused Sarah Palin of influencing the 2011 Tucson Shootings. CNN: Accused of liberal bias, but strongly supported the Iraq War; called the Chinese "a bunch of goons and thugs". CBS: Produced a series of memos criticizing former President Bush's air service record that turned out to be forgeries. Al-Jazeera: Accused by conservatives of being anti-Semitic; has aired videos featuring Osama bin Laden. I'd probably rank the networks like this in terms of bias: 1. Fox News 2. MSNBC 3. CNN 4. Al-Jazeera 5. CBS 6. PBS 7. ABC 236. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "A man who is an asshole, but definitely takes positions on both sides of the political spectrum" Bill O'Reilly I guess? He does oppose the GOP party line on major issues now and again, but generally he's supportive of Republicans. "an outspoken Republican," Sean Hannity's like Rush Limbaugh, only cleaner. "and a fair minded Democrat who has been in the journalism field for years." Greta van Susteren? She tends to avoid making things political and her show is probably the fairest "news" show on FOX News. You failed to point out many of the major ones such as Mike Huckabee (birther, doesn't respect separation of church and state, former Republican Presidential candidate), Oliver North (major player in the Iran-Contra affair), and Sarah Palin (former Republican VP candidate), among others. However, I should say that Shepard Smith is probably the best news anchor in the business now. "A man who said Obama sent a tingle up his leg," Obama sent tingles up a lot of people's legs the first time they heard him speak. "an avowed socialist," Lots of people are socialist without even knowing it because a lot of people think socialist means communist, which it doesn't. Many elements of American society have involved socialism since the New Deal and even before. (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) Lawrence O'Donnell is very liberally biased but just because he understands the true meaning of "socialist" doesn't make him as radical as you are implying. "a lesbian," Rachel Maddow is very biased, but it has absolutely nothing to do with being a lesbian. "someone who called a female conservative pundit a slut," Ed Schultz was a conservative before he was a liberal. I personally think he really doesn't stand for anything, that he only "turned" liberal because he realized there was no market for him as long as Rush Limbaugh is alive. That was a particularly egregious comment by him, though. "a liberation theology black "leader"," Al Sharpton has been involved in his fair share of controversy, most of it self-generated, but I don't think anyone's ever associated him with black liberation theology. "and a man who said he had a problem calling soldiers heroes since it is "rhetorically proximate" to justifying war."" Chris Hayes took over Ed Schultz's old time slot and the ratings nosedived. The guy is very boring, and yes, unapolgetically liberal. "You tell me which one is more representative of the American public..." I'd have to say neither, unless you're saying the "American public" includes birthers, those who wish to force their religion upon people, those who are involved with arms sales to Iran, and GOP mouthpieces while excluding LGBT people, people who are supportive of social programs, and people who were once mesmerized with Obama's speeches (obviously most of the country seeing how easily he was elected in 2008). MSNBC is obviously well to the left of American at-large and FOX is obviously well to the right of American at-large, and to try to say one is any "less biased" than the other is really a waste of time because both are very biased either way. "I only choose to focus on Fox and MSNBC since, if you are into or follow politics, those are likely the channels you watch." I'm very into politics and I don't watch either of them. I get almost all of my news from the Internet now. 237. cjs3872 posted: 09.07.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, does anyone think that a big reason why Brian Scott led as much as he did have anything to do with aero-push, because the moment anyone got up to challenge him, they almost immediately dropped back. Scott said after the race that the fans were robbed of a competitive finish because of the decision not to penalize Keselowski, but could the lack of competitive racing up front all night have been because the cars cold not hardly get to the guy in front because of aero-push? If we're seeing aero-push be a problem in a Nationwide Series race on a short track, then what might the Cup race bring? As far as the battle for the win is concerned, being up front is going to be critical, because it looks like you can't even get to the leader, much less make a move on him. 238. DB1995 posted: 09.07.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i just think Brians car was so good he would just lay back a little bit then charge hard to pull away, kind of the way Kyle Busch does sometimes 239. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.07.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Long Shot, I'm sorry anybody who says Fox News is more biased than MSNBC I just can't take seriously. Which conservatives work for MSNBC now that Pat Buchanan and S.E. Cupp have left for other things? Michael Steele and some former Bush speechwriter. There's also Joe Scarborough, but Republicans don't want him. Meanwhile Fox News has Bob Beckel, Juan Williams, Tamara Holder, Dennis Kucinich (perhaps one of the most liberal congressmen of all time), Marc Lamont Hill, and countless others. NoLongerAnon, You said: "You failed to point out many of the major ones such as Mike Huckabee (birther, doesn't respect separation of church and state, former Republican Presidential candidate), Oliver North (major player in the Iran-Contra affair), and Sarah Palin (former Republican VP candidate), among others." First off when did Oliver North and Sarah Palin become hosts on Fox News? They are paid pundits. They get paid to give their OPINIONS. Of course they are going to be biased. That's the whole point of being a pundit. Secondly, I was obviously naming off Fox New's primetime/weekday line up, which Governor Huckabee is not a part of. But even if he were we now have 2 out of the four as solid conservatives and 6 out 6 as solid liberals on MSNBC. Which one if more biased? Also you said: "I'd have to say neither, unless you're saying the "American public" includes birthers, those who wish to force their religion upon people, those who are involved with arms sales to Iran, and GOP mouthpieces while excluding LGBT people, people who are supportive of social programs, and people who were once mesmerized with Obama's speeches (obviously most of the country seeing how easily he was elected in 2008)" I am unaware of an Fox News host or pundit who is a birther. Please enlighten me. Also, if a Christian pastor comes on Fox News as a pundit or host you expect them not to try and evangelize people into the Christian faith like The Great Commission commands Christians to do? Oliver North may have sold arms to Iraq, but he's one guy out of a whole station. Sheppard Smith is most likely gay. I'm sure Bob Beckel, Juan Williams (who also fills in for O'Reilly all the time I might add. Yeah a liberal actually hosts The O'Reilly Factor occasionally), and Dennis Kucinich are in favor of social programs, and I'm certain all of them are STILL wowed by Obama's speeches. 240. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.07.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "So...you're saying that the same news network which has called Obama a racist and a Muslim extremist, claimed that far-left Democrats are Al-Qaeda supporters, referred to anti-war protesters as terrorists, and has even joked about killing off Obama unbiased? Okaaaaay." Long Shot, I'm not sure any of this actually happened by people who actually work for Fox News, but even if it did you can go through MSNBC and pick out a lot of the same and probably more so since there is essentially NO conservative voice on that channel. Come on Long Shot, nobody who has actually watched Fox News vs. MSNBC for an extended period can honestly draw the conclusion that MSNBC is LESS biased than Fox News. EQUALLY biased at best. 241. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.07.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) As a side note, I'm a proud conservative and I'm sticking to those views. I don't care how much hate I get because of those views. Yes I go to church every Sunday, yes I own a gun (Glock 19), yes I watch Fox News, yes I voted for Mitt Romney, yes I'm a big proponent of the free market, yes I'm opposed to abortion. But for the record...no I don't go to Tea Party rallies, no I don't think Obama was from Kenya, no I don't think there is some sort of insurrection coming. Although, one would think a NASCAR forum of all places would actually be quite conservative, but I guess not. 242. Peter posted: 09.07.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How did she manage this?" Don't know, but the loop data definitely says her highest running position was 2nd 243. murb posted: 09.07.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Although, one would think a NASCAR forum of all places would actually be quite conservative, but I guess not." I think most people on here (including me) just have enough common sense to realize that both the Left and the Right aren't the answer. 244. Zackary Shawn posted: 09.07.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "I think most people on here (including me) just have enough common sense to realize that both the Left and the Right aren't the answer." Although I disagree 100% with what you just said because I do think conservative principles are the answer, ultimately, it doesn't matter. This is about racing. If I could go back I would have never made my initial comment about Al-Jazeera. But just as a fair warning if anything political does come up (such as guns like they may have for the Texas race), I will be taking an unapologetically conservative position (although there are some things that I guess I could be considered slightly liberal on: war and the death penalty come to mind.) 245. murb posted: 09.07.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Although I disagree 100% with what you just said because I do think conservative principles are the answer" I apologize if that came off as a dick comment. I'm just saying that most people on here are very free thinkers, so logic comes into play quite a lot. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was saying that anyone who doesn't think like that is wrong. You're right. It doesn't matter. It's best to just stick to racing talk. 246. Rexrobe posted: 09.07.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well this isn't where I expected this thread to go. 247. Mamorese posted: 09.07.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) I don't get how you guys watch this nonsense every week. This is probably the most illegitimate racing series in America. 248. 83andJoe posted: 09.07.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) >Well this isn't where I expected this thread to go. NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUSITION! 249. The Long Shot posted: 09.07.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Long Shot, I'm not sure any of this actually happened by people who actually work for Fox News, but even if it did you can go through MSNBC and pick out a lot of the same and probably more so since there is essentially NO conservative voice on that channel. Come on Long Shot, nobody who has actually watched Fox News vs. MSNBC for an extended period can honestly draw the conclusion that MSNBC is LESS biased than Fox News. EQUALLY biased at best." Look, in truth, we can't ever be truly sure as to how much political bias each network has, so I'll refrain from speaking further on that particular subject. The reason that I rate Fox News lower than MSNBC is simply because when MSNBC's anchors make a goof up, they don't goof up nearly as majorly as Fox News. Have MSNBC's "talking heads" said stupid things? Of course they have. But last I checked, they never compared any Republican politicians to bin Laden or wished death on anybody (and for the record, Liz Trotta made the latter comment on 5/25/2008 live on air). "Also, if a Christian pastor comes on Fox News as a pundit or host you expect them not to try and evangelize people into the Christian faith like The Great Commission commands Christians to do?" As much as I would like to comment on this (considering I have a strong opinion on the subject), I'm not going to. I have the feeling that I'm the only atheist on a site full of devout Christians (which is just fine, by the way), so I won't even bother posting on this subject. "As a side note, I'm a proud conservative and I'm sticking to those views. I don't care how much hate I get because of those views." I bear you no ill will because of your political views. Like I've said before: "Live and let live." I'm just intrigued by the differing political views that people like you have, and I like to know the reasoning behind those beliefs. I certainly don't mean to be insulting you when I say that I disagree with you on certain issues. "ultimately, it doesn't matter. This is about racing." I agree. Political discussions can be interesting, but too often they result in feelings getting hurt (which is unfortunate, as I like to witness and partake in a good battle of wits). Let us all shake hands, go our separate ways, and then join back together on the Cup comments page. Fair enough? 250. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill. The "obvious" jumped restart was so clise that you and I probably wouldn't have penalized Brad either. Officials can't freeze realtome to look at a bunch of camera angles and deliberate for a while. Arguing about this call is no different than balls and strikes. You have mere moments to make a call and you can't change your mind after the fact. Get over it. As for Cup drivers, anything more than limiting the amount of lower series races they can run is a death sentence. Would you fans rather have no Nationwide or CWTS than to see a Cup guy win? 251. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And we also neglect to point out that Brian Scott beat Brian Scott. NASCAR didn't spin his tires for him. 252. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As much as I would like to comment on this (considering I have a strong opinion on the subject), I'm not going to. I have the feeling that I'm the only atheist on a site full of devout Christians (which is just fine, by the way), so I won't even bother posting on this subject." I'm not an atheist, but I have a pretty good feeling I agree with what you were going to say. Anyway, I've said all I'm going to say about the political stuff. Politics and NASCAR don't mix, and it's best to leave the political discussions to the political sites and the NASCAR discussions to the racing sites. I was not able to watch the race, but I hate that Brian Scott led the first 95% of a race only to lose on a late restart to a buschwacker, apparently not without controversy. If there is/are such thing/s as karma and/or racing gods, Keselowski will miss the Chase. 253. Anonymous posted: 09.07.2013 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As much as I would like to comment on this (considering I have a strong opinion on the subject), I'm not going to. I have the feeling that I'm the only atheist on a site full of devout Christians (which is just fine, by the way), so I won't even bother posting on this subject." If I wanted to be an ass, I'd say "Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that," but I won't. ;) 254. Rexrobe posted: 09.07.2013 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am an atheist, but what that has to do with the Nationwide series I have no idea. 255. The Long Shot posted: 09.07.2013 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Agreed, NLA. I'm done with the political talk. In the meantime, GO JEFF GORDON!! 256. Watto posted: 09.07.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "To the guys saying that Earnhardt and Martin used to dominate this series years ago...that is not a fair analogy. Cup drivers used to drive in their own equipment or equipment that was about equal to the busch series regulars. BIG DIFFERENCE. There were also other factors in play. Basically, a 90s busch race where Martin dominates would be much better to watch(IMO) than a modern era race where Kyle Busch dominates a race." It's a fair analogy when the Cup drivers dominating were driving for Cup teams. There's literally no difference between Keselowski running half the schedule and winning 5+ races for Penske and Martin running half the schedule and winning 5+ races for Roush. Both are contending Cup teams, both are contending Cup drivers, both in Nationwide Series. You and I may have liked the cars more and may have liked the racing more, but when Cup guys were running half the schedule, it was mostly on the bigger tracks going along with the Cup schedule. You'd often see Mark Martin and Jeff Burton leave the field and the win would be between them no matter what. We see more Cup drivers in the field nowadays because there are way more companion events, but I will absolutely compare a Cup driver running half the schedule with a Cup team to another Cup driver running half the schedule with a Cup team. It's the same thing. 257. Peter posted: 09.07.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When the hell did this turn into a political forum? 258. Watto posted: 09.07.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "When the hell did this turn into a political forum?" Many racing fans pretend to be experts in the world of politics. 259. The Long Shot posted: 09.07.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) When did anyone ever claim to be an expert? We're simply stating our opinions and debating a little with each other. You don't need to be an "expert" to do that. 260. Watto posted: 09.08.2013 - 12:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The word expert comes into play when someone says something incredibly ignorant that is easily proven wrong and yet they stand by it. They don't have enough self-awareness to question their own beliefs, and because of that, they always think they're right (aka think of themselves as experts). You'll see it all over the place, and you'll see it on any given racing forum ever that allows sporadic dialogue about world affairs or politics. You don't have to tell everyone you're an expert in order to pretend to be one. TLS, my "expert" statement also clearly doesn't envelop everyone, and it wasn't a shot at you, or anything like that. I glanced over many posts and only read some on the topic. Some that I did read, though, were horrendously ignorant, simply factually inaccurate, and the poster showed no signs of ever actually seeking truth - they just love their talking points. Political dialogue in racing forums tends to be loaded with people who clearly think they know what they're talking about. Also, you're defiitely not the only atheist here who posts or reads posts. 261. ch posted: 09.08.2013 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Changes: 4 - JD Motorsports 5 - NIOXIN 6 - Roush Fenway Racing Driven 7 - Hellmann's Centennial / Martin's 87 - England's Stove Works 262. 83andJoe posted: 09.21.2013 - 1:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #4 crew chief: Clinton Cram (same for all races for the remainder of this season). 263. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clinton Cram was a one race deal at Atlanta. Clint now works for GoGreen on the cup side. #4 Landon Cassill crew chief-Dave Fuge 264. anonymous posted: 02.21.2014 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is why I rarely watch the Nationwide series anymore. 265. jp posted: 03.10.2014 - 11:41 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The one that got away from Brian...... When was the last time a N'Wide regular even did so much as lead the most laps before this?? 266. Jason24 posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was just randomly thinking of this race tonite. Painful, truly a terrible thing to watch. 267. Stewart14Rocks posted: 07.29.2016 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only race so where Ryan Reed has scored a TOP 10 at that's not a plate race. 268. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 02.27.2017 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The comments from 2013 are talking about the bias of news networks. It's like they predicted the future of America. 269. Jericohol14 posted: 10.25.2017 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @268 They weren't TOTALLY on point... "Brian Scott will get that first win eventually" Man there are a few years of race comments on here (especially in the Xfinity side) that are 100% pure salt. You'd think some of these guys just watched an ASPCA ad. 270. Anthony posted: 10.09.2019 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just came back to this race and I still cannot understand why there was a caution for the 44 getting bump and runned? He didn't even touch the wall. I think NASCAR wanted a yellow to test Brian Scott against the Cup drivers. 271. Rich posted: 11.25.2020 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know many on here have talked about this race, but my oh my, talk about a race where the man that should have won but did not. I was beyond frustrated when Brian Scott finished 2nd to Keselowski. At first, I was like Brian Scott won the pole award, that's great, but he won't be a factor cause of the cup regulars and their dominance. But, as the race got near 100 laps in, I like many others were like Brian Scott has led every lap, then the thought came in and that was He could win. With 50 laps to go, I was like this race is a done deal and Brian Scott is going to do it. Then, the last caution and the final restart. I was so frustrated when Brian got passed by Keselowski and finished 2nd. Seven years later, it still hurts to think about this race and the utter dominance that Brian Scott put on the field this night, only not to win. The unfortunate saying of the one that got away was etched in stone on that night. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: