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  1.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:06 pm
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2 really bad things about this race: The 76 car starts 1-2, and Johanna
Long isn't in it. Derrike Cope didn't even get a lap of qualifying in
before the DESTROYED the car.


  2.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:08 pm
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Take back what I said about the 76 car starting 1-2, but the 54 car
starting 1st is still bad.


  3.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:18 pm
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Bold prediction: The #22 or the #54 will win this race.

...Actually, that's not a bold prediction as we all already know that's
the almost guaranteed end result of this race.


  4.   Sector posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:21 pm
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Kyle Busch's 10 pole of the 2013 season in the Nationwide Series. First
time someone has double digit amount of poles in one year since Jeff
Gordon back in 1992, when he won a record-setting 11 poles. Kyle Busch
has a shot to tie it next weekend @ the season finale, Homestead.
Ironically, as often as Kyle Busch dominates the Nationwide Series, this
will be Kyle Busch's first Pole Award across the three NASCAR's National
Series(Cup, Nationwide & Trucks).


  5.   Sector posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:21 pm
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10 PoleS*


  6.   Sector posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:22 pm
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Whatever, 10th*.

Also let's make another bold prediction, Austin Dillon to win the
Nationwide Championship, winless?


  7.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:23 pm
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Schroeder51: A bold prediction would be picking anybody that's not named
Busch or Keselowski to win.


  8.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:35 pm
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Another DNQ for Morgan Shepherd...gotta be running low on funds by now.


  9.   jabber1990 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 2:45 pm
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what lap will Kyle or Brad make the pass for the win?

am I the only one excited about the possibility of a winless champion?


  10.   HarvickKevin29 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 3:03 pm
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Does anybody know if Derrike Cope has a back-up car available for the
race after his crash in qualifying?


  11.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 3:23 pm
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First career start for Canadian Tire Series driver Kelly Admiraal.


  12.   Kenny posted:
  11.09.2013 - 3:39 pm
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@#6 I'd like to see that :D


  13.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 3:58 pm
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Earlier in the broadcast, they were having a discussion about whether or
not it mattered if Dillon won the championship without winning a race.
While I'm of the opinion that you should have to win races to
legitimatize your championship (my opinion, tear into me if you like),
this would actually be a non-issue if Cup drivers were somehow limited
in the number of races you they could run because Dillon and Hornish
would probably have multiple wins.


  14.   Sector posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:07 pm
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@Posts 9 & 12:

I have no problem seeing a first winless champion here (I don't like
that idea in the Cup series, however), but its Austin Dillon. I don't
want to hear & read the hype everywhere about being the first driver, in
the number 3 car, to win a championship in all three national series,
something that Greg Biffle has failed to do, etc. Now I wouldn't mind if
Austin can pull off one championship in Cup (I highly doubt it, but who
knows, really), but I'm not a big fan of the Dillons either to be
honest, and if I had to choose one, I prefer Austin to be successful
over Ty. Though I'm more focused on what Kyle Larson, Ryan Blaney, Chase
Elliott, Jeb Burton & the other young guns can accomplish.


  15.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:12 pm
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I don't know if anyone else has surround sound, but whenever they give
the command to start engines it's always really cool to hear the "fire
'em up" quotes from all the crew chiefs bouncing around the room. Each
time a different crew chief says it, it comes out of a different
speaker. Props to ESPN for managing that.


  16.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:16 pm
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Sounds like a bunch of bees buzzing in the background of Harvick's radio.


  17.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:18 pm
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Eric McClure slams the wall on the first lap.


  18.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:28 pm
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The 54 is so fast its hard to watch


  19.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:31 pm
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Another bold prediction: Kyle Busch will lead at least 180 laps today.


  20.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:36 pm
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I'm going to try and take a leaf out of NRF's book here. It worked for
him, so maybe it'll work for me. *ahem*

Piss off, Kyle!


  21.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:36 pm
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Last 20 Cup champions and the number of Nationwide races they ran during
that particular year.

1993-Earnhardt...12
1994-Earnhardt...9
1995-Gordon...0
1996-T. Labonte...18
1997-Gordon...0
1998-Gordon...0
1999-D. Jarrett...1
2000-B. Labonte...0
2001-Gordon...0
2002-Stewart...0
2003-Kenseth...14
2004-Busch...0
2005-Stewart...12
2006-Johnson...3
2007-Johnson...3
2008-Johnson...4
2009-Johnson...0
2010-Johnson...0
2011-Stewart...2
2012-Keselowski...21

I see a lot of numbers under 5 including 0s, but I also see several
instances where the Cup champion ran more than 10. Unscientifically,
there doesn't seem to be any sort of causal relationship between number
of Nationwide races and Cup championships one way or the other. Doesn't
justify running Nationwide race though, in my opinion. Food for thought.
Thoughts?


  22.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:44 pm
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Dale Shaw won a Busch North title without a win, Ricky Rudd did the same
in IROC (a series he actually never won in).


  23.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:50 pm
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Everything is back to normal in this race now. The #76 car is now
running in first and second.


  24.   AveryNH posted:
  11.09.2013 - 4:58 pm
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For what it's worth, Dale Shaw didn't lead a single lap but had one dnf
and three finishes outside the top 10 in 20 races in his championship
season of 1994. He won that title with astounding consistency.


  25.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:04 pm
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Good grief. I think I actually UNDERESTIMATED the amount of laps Kyle
would lead today.


  26.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:05 pm
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f**k KYLE BUSCH!!!!!


  27.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:10 pm
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Caution out due to boredom?


  28.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:14 pm
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Where did Derrike Cope get his car from? Anyone know?


  29.   JRacingFast posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:16 pm
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NASCAR.....why must you throw "boardum" cautions in races that you allow
Cup drivers to race in that thus make it boaring????


  30.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:17 pm
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Funny tweet from our pal @nascarcasm...

"If I were there, I'd be willing to let a pissed-off rattlesnake chase
me up that hill just so fans could see an exciting race. #nns"


  31.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:17 pm
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Official reason for caution: Debris.


  32.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:19 pm
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Zachary Shawn: Have you ever seen Nascarcasm's "Texts from last race" on
Fox's NASCAR blog Shake N Bake? They are funny as hell.


  33.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:21 pm
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Highlight of the race, a cup driver taking the lead from a cup driver on
a restart


  34.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:24 pm
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Tweet from Spencer Gallagher
@23SpeedRacer: Radio chatter from the 54 - "Sorry guys, finger slipped
off the Godmode button. Be right there"


  35.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:25 pm
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All I'll say is this: I hope Austin Dillon winning the Nationwide title
without winning a race and Matt Crafton finishing a race in front of
everyone else in Truck points doesn't lead to crazy sweeping changes for
those series in the near future, like the Cup drivers being allowed to
run for points again or Chases for the Championship being implemented in
those series. That would be outstandingly moronic to do...

...and it's something I could actually see NASCAR doing.


  36.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:26 pm
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Brad Sweet spins around.


  37.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:27 pm
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What's worse is that since Dillon drives the #3 we will have to hear
about how he is continuing Dale Earnhardt's legacy and how he will be
just as great as Darth Vader himself.


  38.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:27 pm
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Wow, Mike Bliss came very close to T-boning Sweet. That would be a HARD
crash if he hadn't managed to avoid him.


  39.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:28 pm
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"Zachary Shawn: Have you ever seen Nascarcasm's "Texts from last race"
on Fox's NASCAR blog Shake N Bake? They are funny as hell."

I have read them a few times and they are always pretty funny.


Denny Hamlin implied in a recent tweet that he thinks they should start
grinding up some of the tracks, starting with this one.


  40.   Paul posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:32 pm
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"Where did Derrike Cope get his car from?"

It's his own team. That team is usually #73, but they're borrowing the
#70 from NEMCO-Jay Robinson Racing (who normally field the #70 when ML
Motorsports aren't) for this race.


  41.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:34 pm
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Kevin Swindell slams the wall and brings out another caution.


  42.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:34 pm
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Thanks Paul. But is it still #70? Because I can't tell on the ticker.
Kevin Swindell hits the wall.


  43.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:38 pm
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Keselowski down, Busch to go. OH NO THE OWNER'S CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!


  44.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:38 pm
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Scott and Keselowski wrecks


  45.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:38 pm
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Keselowski into the wall.

OH NO! THE OWNER'S CHAMPIONSHIP!


  46.   Paul posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:39 pm
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And just like that, the Nationwide owner's championship battle just took
an interesting turn.


  47.   murb posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:39 pm
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I wonder if he'll do the "kiss my ass" gesture that he also did when
Kyle wrecked him at Kansas.


  48.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:40 pm
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Now if only Kyle Busch would wreck


  49.   JRacingFast posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:40 pm
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OOH NOOOO THE OWNERS CHAMPIONSHIP LEADERS IN THE WALL......WHO GIVES A
FLYING f**k!


  50.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:40 pm
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ZOMG! OWNERS CHAMPIONSHIP! OWNERS CHAMPIONSHIP!


  51.   JRacingFast posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:42 pm
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Boy i wonder how dumb Brad AKA the defending cup champ feels knowing the
fact that he may not even win a nationwide owners title.....So hey cup
drivers....get your priorites right and STAY IN CUP!


  52.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:42 pm
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Kyle Busch isn't going to wreck. They're not BOTH going to have trouble
in the same race. That would just be too good to be true.

If something does happen to him (which is unlikely), I will eat these
words.


  53.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:45 pm
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Swindell in the wall again


  54.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:45 pm
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Kevin Swindell finds the wall again.


  55.   Jim Davis posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:48 pm
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"But is it still #70?"

It would have to be the 70. The 70 is locked into the race on owner's
points. Since Cope didn't have a qualifying time he needed the 70's
points to make the race.


  56.   Paul posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:50 pm
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@49: You and most of the other fans might not care, but there's a lot of
money and prestige on the line for Penske Racing and the #22 team to win
the owner's championship in the Nationwide Series, especially
considering they've done so with four winning drivers. I'll admit, it
gets annoying having to hear ESPN talk about it all the time, but to
suggest that it doesn't mean anything is just a foolish thing to say,
because every championship means something.

And I'll tell you, it gets very tiring reading all the negative comments
every single week about the Nationwide Series owner's championship. At
least the #22 and #54 teams know how to win races, unlike the two teams
battling it out for the driver's championship (the #3 and #12 teams have
a combined one victory this season).


  57.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:52 pm
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Kyle Larson in the wall, and another caution flag.


  58.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:54 pm
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Im pretty sure Larson just hit the wall on his own


  59.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:55 pm
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The #22 and #54 are two of the only teams in this series with any real
money or resources; it's not a wonder why they win just about every
single race. Having established Cup drivers driving them 90% of the time
helps too. This is why, no matter what anyone might say, I can't find
their accomplishments this season remotely impressive.


  60.   We need more Onion posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:55 pm
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Not being able to watch, but seems like a mediocre race with plenty of
wrecks.
How is Clements doing?


  61.   joey2448 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 5:58 pm
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Hey look, there's the 31, 3 and 6 cars around each other again! How many
times have we seen an incident between those three dudes?


  62.   JRacingFast posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:02 pm
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Thank you Schroeder51 i would say id like to care about the number 22
and 54 if drivers like Ryan Blaney and Drew Herrig were in those cars
all year round but since its two established cup drivers raceing in
pretty much cup prepared cars with cup resorces.....yeah you see were im
getting at its really no big deal


  63.   JRacingFast posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:04 pm
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OOH and in the meantime drivers who have been consitant in the chase aka
Johnson, Earnhardt JR arent racing in this race....I honestly wish i
could say the same about Kenseth but for some reason hes racing....And
dont give me that sponser want it B.S because if the sponcer really
cared about there representative driver theyd want him to focus on cup
and winnning a title and race that matters


  64.   MStall41 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:07 pm
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Post #56 in this thread by Paul is one of the most intelligent and
balanced posts I've read on this board in awhile. Kudos sir.


  65.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:11 pm
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This has been such a depressing race.


  66.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:11 pm
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We need more Onion: Jeremy Clements is not having a good day, he running
somewhere around 30th.


  67.   numbah10hatah posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:12 pm
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Specifically, Clements is running 26th.


  68.   We need more Onion posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:16 pm
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Thanks n10hatah. Gotta guess that running a 3 years old car takes its
toll sometimes.


  69.   jabber1990 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:17 pm
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Kyle Wins!

who'da Thunk it?


  70.   DB1995 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:18 pm
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This race sucked....BAD


  71.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:18 pm
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Hell of a job by Sam Hornish on that last run.


  72.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:20 pm
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Is Austin Dillon seriously angry with Justin Allgaier because he passed
him for 2nd? What's wrong with Justin for trying to RACE him instead of
backing off!


  73.   Sector posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:22 pm
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NASCAR.com's Racebuddy says Kyle Busch led 169, might not be exactly
correct, but Kyle Busch has to lead around 20 laps next week to hit the
2,000 laps led mark for this season. Only two other times Kyle Busch has
accomplished this, back-to-back 2009 & 2010 seasons, when he won his
lone NASCAR Nationwide Championship & his record setting 13 wins in
series. Kyle could tie his 13-win record again next week, but I hope not.


  74.   DB1995 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:23 pm
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Ihope Monster leaves Joe Gibbs next year, just to end this bullshit


  75.   jabber1990 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:23 pm
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I had to make a tough decision pre-race. my best friend invited me out
for lunch at the same time the race was happening. it was a tough
choice, but I chose to hang out with her. I guessed the winner of the
race, so yea


  76.   Paul posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:25 pm
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Impressive job by Drew Herring, currently sitting 8th in the points
after only making five starts this season (per ESPN's championship
standings graphic).


  77.   Paul posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:26 pm
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"I hope Monster leaves Joe Gibbs next year"

Hahaha! Thanks, I needed a good laugh.


  78.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:31 pm
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Monster leaving Joe Gibbs? Get real. Kyle is winning every other race
for them so that's not going to happen. That's exactly what they want.
If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted Kyle to run the full
schedule next year even though he can't earn driver's points just so
they can win MORE races. Then again, I'm aware that comment was probably
a joke.

Missed the end of this race and I'm glad I did as I didn't miss very
much. This series is just so soul-crushingly depressing it's not even
funny. I know I've been a broken record complaining about the #22 and
the #54, but I can't help BUT be a broken record because it's the same
result either week. Either the #54 or the #22 wins. A series with 40
cars and only 2 that can be consistently competitive on a week to week
basis is not a whole lot of fun to watch.


  79.   Paul posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:31 pm
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Joey Logano will drive the #22 car at Homestead next week. I'll bet
he'll be extra motivated to help Penske Racing win the Nationwide
owner's championship, considering he'll be going up against his former
team and teammate in the final race for that championship.


  80.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:33 pm
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"I hope Monster leaves Joe Gibbs next year"

If Monster didn't feel like they were making money off of Kyle Busch,
they wouldn't do it. Although, I'm not one of those people, it's
apparent that there is enough support for Kyle to be in the car to make
it worth their while. What ticks me off, is that I know there is a way
that NASCAR and the sponsors could sit down and work something out to
limit the number of races Cup guys run yet still keep the sponsors
happy. The people who run NASCAR actually aren't idiots, it just seems
like they don't care. Probably because we've reached the point where
their primary source of income isn't from the fans.


In other news, Sam Hornish may very well have an outstanding race next
week, but I find it hard to believe he'll make up 8 points. We'll see
though.


  81.   Paul posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:43 pm
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"A series with 40 cars and only 2 that can be consistently competitive
on a week to week basis is not a whole lot of fun to watch."

There's more to life than spending your Saturdays watching a predictable
NASCAR race. You and everyone else who feels this way after watching a
#54- or #22-dominated Nationwide race should all do yourselves a favor
and explore the other realities out there in this world. There's no need
to torture yourselves by watching a race that you know will disappoint
you in the end.


  82.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:56 pm
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I was wondering why Austin was mad at Justin. Cowboy Hat I needs to
ditch the entitlement attitude. If he is truly gonna "continue the
legacy", that stylized #3 that he will apparently run in Cup next year
and that he has run his whole NASCAR career was made famous by a guy who
scraped and clawed his way up the ladder and RACED his way to the top
and to the title of stock car GOAT. They have made the decision to tie
themselves to Dale and his legacy, so he needs to knock that shit off.
Justin has spent the past 5 years fighting and clawing his way to stay
in NWide and now has a start up Cup ride. Cowboy Hat I has had an
established ride waiting for him from the moment he was born.


  83.   Eric posted:
  11.09.2013 - 6:56 pm
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I hope that Sam Hornish Jr. doesn't make up 8 points next week because
NASCAR needs to do some changes to the Nationwide series.

If NASCAR creates a chase for the Nationwide without limiting amount of
races a cup regular does, I would like to a Nationwide series driver win
the Nationwide chase with no wins.


  84.   Eric posted:
  11.09.2013 - 7:03 pm
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Schroeder51,

I am pretty sure Gibbs doesn't want Kyle to run all Nationwide races
next. There also is the chance of someone getting a concussion in a
plate race because of how NASCAR is handling concussions next year.

I am bring that up based on the wreck Kyle was in the for truck series
at Talladega. The fact is if Kyle was in that crash next year at truck
race at Talladega, he would have been checked for a concussion.


  85.   Schroeder51 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 7:10 pm
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I think the reason I've been watching these races is because I keep
hoping against hope we'll see something different happen. Maybe I'm just
naive or foolish, I don't know. There have been a few races this year
where we've been offered a glimpse of something different, only to have
it violently snatched away from us at the very end and instead we get
the predictable end result. The best example I can think of is the
second Richmond race where Brian Scott led nearly the entire race from
start to finish, only for a rash of caution flags at the end of the race
to allow the #22 to get ahead and win. Races like those are by FAR more
disappointing than races in which the #22 or the #54 win in a total blowout.

You know what...I think I'll take Paul's advice and probably skip at
least half (if not more) of the Nationwide races next year. If Kyle
Busch and Brad Keselowski/Joey Logano are going to back behind the
wheels of the #54 and the #22 next year like they almost certainly are
going to be, there won't be much point in watching since we'll be in for
a season virtually identical to this previous one. There would be no
point in me watching the same dull, depressing, predictable season twice
in a row.


  86.   Jim Davis posted:
  11.09.2013 - 7:16 pm
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"What ticks me off, is that I know there is a way that NASCAR and the
sponsors could sit down and work something out to limit the number of
races Cup guys run yet still keep the sponsors happy."

Really? You know that for a fact? How do you figure?


  87.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  11.09.2013 - 8:11 pm
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"Really? You know that for a fact? How do you figure?"

Of course I don't know it as fact, Jim. But considering there are
thousands of examples throughout human history where people or groups of
people were more at odds with each other than NASCAR and the sponsors
are (NASCAR and the sponsors ultimately have the same goal) and when the
stakes were much higher have sat down and worked things out, I see no
reason why NASCAR, owners, and sponsors could not work something out to
make everyone happy. Generally speaking, compromise is a natural act for
grown adults. Ironic history lesson: the Congress of the United States
was founded on one of the greatest compromises of all time: the
Connecticut Compromise. When the Constitution was drafted small states,
like Connecticut, wanted Congressional representation to be equal for
all states. Large states, such as Virginia, wanted representation based
on population. The result was a bicameral legislature with one house
based on population (the House of Representatives) and one with equal
representation (the Senate). If those two warring factors, who interests
could not be more opposite, can work out a compromise to help form a
governing document to strengthen and help a struggling and relatively
new nation become more unified, then sure two groups, whose interests
are essentially the same, can sit down and work something out like grown
men (and women) do.


  88.   cjs3872 posted:
  11.09.2013 - 8:46 pm
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Guys, I think that Austin Dillon may have been unhappy with Allgaier
because of the block that Allgaier threw on the last lap. There also
might have been something that occurred that we didn't see. But remember
what I keep saying. Any time Allgaier, Dillon, and Trevor Bayne are
anywhere close to each other, fireworks are sure to follow. On one of
those restarts around the two-thirds mark of the race, Allgaier tried to
squeeze Bayne into the wall, and they were running 1-2-3 at one point
briefly. But those three drivers just don't like each other for some reason.

But Trevor Bayne made a comment on his radio that ESPN followed up on
briefly, and that I've basically been saying all year. He said on that
long green flag run that his car was handling good, but when he punched
the throttle, that it had nothing because of the gearing. I've been
saying that all year. The Roush cars have no punch coming off the
corners because they run too conservative a gear ratio, which is why
they're so far down on horsepower compared to the Penske cars, which
basically run the same engines. It didn't show up in recent years
because Roush was the only competitive Ford team, but when Penske
rejoined Ford, the obvious horsepower disadvantage the Roush cars are at
has shown up, both in the Cup Series and the Nationwide Series. But
maybe Bayne's actually saying that on the radio will wake those guys at
Roush up and get them to figure out that they have to run their engines
harder to stay competitive with Penske, or next year will be like this
year, if not worse.


  89.   DRF posted:
  11.09.2013 - 8:57 pm
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Congrats to Justin Allgaier on the win.


  90.   Jim Davis posted:
  11.09.2013 - 8:59 pm
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"But considering there are thousands of examples throughout human
history where people or groups of people were more at odds with each
other than NASCAR and the sponsors are (NASCAR and the sponsors
ultimately have the same goal) and when the stakes were much higher have
sat down and worked things out, I see no reason why NASCAR, owners, and
sponsors could not work something out to make everyone happy."

Zack, this is just naive. They have sat down. They have worked things
out. And what they came up with is that Monster Energy Drink, Hertz,
Dollar General, etc will sponsor Nationwide rides as long as the drivers
are Kyle Busch, Brad Keselowski, and Joey Logano, etc most of the time.
This is the solution that the smart people in the marketing departments
of those companies and those race teams came up with when they sat down
and worked thinks out.

The sponsors do not *need* NASCAR. The sponsors will spend their
advertising budgets elsewhere if NASCAR can not offer good value. You
will not pay as much for a Big Mac from McDonald's as you would for a
steak from Outback. No amount of sitting down and working things out
will change that. Monster Energy will not pay as much for Joey Coulter
or Drew Herring as they would for Kyle Busch. And no amount of sitting
down and working things out will change *that*.


  91.   83andJoe posted:
  11.09.2013 - 9:05 pm
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#2 sponsor: Whitetail Club (same for spring Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Fontana)
#23 sponsor: PocketFinder


  92.   CBASS posted:
  11.09.2013 - 11:05 pm
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Sponsor updates

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#24 Frontline Designs/ Swan Rentals


  93.   murb posted:
  11.10.2013 - 1:53 am
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I had the first 3/4 of the race on in the background as just noise, and
then I ducked out for good right when all those cautions started flying.

The only thing I really have to say is that this is just the way it is
now, I guess. I just have to learn to accept that this series is now
nothing more than a Cup driver jungle gym. It's not getting any better,
and after this year, they'll probably make it even worse somehow (Chase)
since the champion is most likely gonna be a guy that has no wins.

The sooner I accept that this series is a complete 180 of everything I
used to love about it, the better. Hell, maybe I should just realize
that about all of Nascar in general.


  94.   b4il3y posted:
  11.10.2013 - 1:56 am
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Glad I wasn;t able to watch this. Something needs to be done. I DONT
CARE ABOUT WHAT "MONEY" might be made for these cup guys.. something.
Has. To. Be. Done. And I'll call it.. ratings for the "Nationwise Busch"
series next year.


  95.   b4il3y posted:
  11.10.2013 - 1:58 am
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And before any banter.. yeah, a guy who won ZERO races is about to win,
while a guy who won TWELVE from the cup series is about to make off with
all the money that should've went to someone else. There is something
wrong here. Change it. Or, you will lose viewers. And money..which is
what you care about.


  96.   We need more Onion posted:
  11.10.2013 - 6:07 am
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With the Buschwhacker question and the points battle being really tight,
the ROTY competition recieves no attention, but it deserves to get some.
Kligerman is now only 1 point behind Larson, thanks to his more
consistent performances with considerably less sponsorship.
Given how hyped Larson is, I would LOVE Kligerman beating him for ROTY.


  97.   We need more Onion posted:
  11.10.2013 - 6:15 am
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Eh, never mind. I forgot that Rookie points =/= Championship points.


  98.   Anonymous posted:
  11.10.2013 - 1:07 pm
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#01-Mike Wallace crew chief--Johnny Davis


  99.   Paul posted:
  11.10.2013 - 2:07 pm
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@96: Kligerman isn't even a ROTY contender. His rookie Nationwide season
was 2010 because he made more than seven starts that season (12 starts).
Although he could beat out Kyle Larson in points and rank as the highest
finishing driver in their first full-time Nationwide Series season, he
would not be able to win ROTY simply because he's not eligible for that
award.

The only full-time ROTY contenders are Larson and Alex Bowman. I haven't
checked the current rookie points standings, but I would guess that
Larson has that award wrapped, and probably has for some time.


  100.   startandparkfan posted:
  11.11.2013 - 4:49 pm
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Hopefully if Dillon becomes the champion with no wins, NASCAR will
realize what a problem these cup regulars are for this series. I mean
really, 12 wins for Kyle Busch and only 4 wins among N-wide regulars?
Pathetic.


  101.   Anonymous posted:
  11.12.2013 - 6:31 am
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@99 - you forgot Piquet is also eligible for ROTY, although he's had a
poor season.


  102.   ch posted:
  11.14.2013 - 6:41 pm
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Sponsor Change:

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  103.   PCRaceFan0006 posted:
  02.06.2014 - 4:49 pm
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Sponsor Update

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  104.   PCRaceFan0006 posted:
  02.06.2014 - 4:51 pm
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  105.   Windows Millennium Edition posted:
  05.14.2016 - 8:38 pm
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