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  1.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.03.2018 - 9:40 am
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If weather is an issue for qualifying, the 24 is going to be the lone
guy going home.


  2.   Tide1732 posted:
  07.03.2018 - 9:49 am
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I'm pick Cristhoper Bell for the win

Underdogs: Caesar Bacarella,Alex Labbe,And Ryan Sieg


  3.   Sandy posted:
  07.03.2018 - 9:49 am
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Driver of the 78 is tba but since Tennessee moonshine sponsoring the
machine Blake jones should run it


  4.   David posted:
  07.03.2018 - 11:17 am
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The #89 has withdrawn, leaving a field of 40.


  5.   Sandy posted:
  07.03.2018 - 11:21 am
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maybe morgan didn't think that his car was fast enough to make the show


  6.   34McDowellFan posted:
  07.03.2018 - 12:20 pm
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I thought the #98 of Aric Almirola was scheduled to run this race,
apparently not


  7.   #BowmanNation #TKNation #JRNation posted:
  07.03.2018 - 2:19 pm
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6. Bristol?


  8.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.03.2018 - 6:13 pm
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If qualifying gets soggy, Morgan is going to regret pulling his entry
early.


  9.   52 posted:
  07.03.2018 - 7:14 pm
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Ryan Reed with the W this weekend.


  10.   Danish Pie posted:
  07.03.2018 - 7:14 pm
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Buschwhacker Count: 3
#22-Ryan Blaney
#23-Chase Elliott
#42-Kyle Larson(Jamie McMurray?)

Double-Duty Count: 4
#4-Ross Chastain
#35-Joey Gase
#38-J.J. Yeley
#99-Ray Black Jr.

[Jamie McMurray was originally supposed to drive this race back when the
schedule was released for the 42 team. Not sure if plans changed, or if
the entry list will be updated later on.]

-Ryan Preece makes his first series start since winning at Bristol in April.
-After electrical gremlins ended their race before it even began last
week, Fury Race Cars and Kaz Grala are back once more this week. Kiklos
will be hopping on board the car, the same sponsor Kaz went to Victory
Lane with in the Truck race last year. Grala looks to keep his great
runs at Daytona going, as he finished 4th here back in February.
-Justin Haley makes his second career Xfinity start in a second GMS
Racing entry. This is the first time GMS has fielded a second car in
2018, not having done so since Ben Kennedy was in their 96 car at
Darlington last year.
-Caesar Bacarella and Ray Black Jr. both return to Daytona once again
driving for B.J. McLeod Motorsports. In the season opening race,
Bacarella set a career mark by finishing 13th in his first attempt on a
superspeedway, while Black was one of six cars who failed to qualify.
Both have made one additional start for McLeod this year, Bacarella at
Michigan and Black Jr. at Charlotte. Ray Black will also make his first
Cup series start of 2018 driving the 51 for Rick Ware. Blake Jones will
make his third consecutive start for McLeod, this time in the 78, while
the Bossman will be behind the wheel of the Johnny Davis #15 for the
third week in a row himself.
-Three drivers will be making their first Xfinity start at a plate
track, Shane Lee, Justin Haley, and Blake Jones. Don't believe that
they're inexperienced, though. Both Haley and Lee have had impressive
finishes here in the last two years; Hayley finished 2nd in the Truck
race this year, and Lee ended up 3rd in the ARCA race in 2017. Even
Jones is a proven plate racer: he won an ARCA race at Talladega in 2015.
-With his withdrawal, this will be the first race this year that Morgan
Shepherd doesn't attempt. Kinda impressed he made it this far into the
season showing up to every race. Unfortunate that the asinine way
Xfinity and Trucks do qualifying always seems to leave Morgan on the
outside looking in whenever more than 40 cars show up. And like @8 said,
if qualifying gets washed out, Morgan is gonna regret withdrawing on the
Tuesday before.


  11.   Sandy posted:
  07.03.2018 - 9:47 pm
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Ray black made 2 additional starts for bj McLeod Dover in the 8 and
charlotte in the 78


  12.   Chad S posted:
  07.05.2018 - 9:15 am
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Timmy Hill's car is a collaboration between Carl Long's bunch and VSI
Racing.


  13.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  07.05.2018 - 10:17 am
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@12 So was Dega


  14.   JSPorts posted:
  07.05.2018 - 11:42 am
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Too bad Morgan withdrew. I guess he wasn't going to run the full race
anyway, but still, I always like to see him out there (especially at a
place like Daytona.) And it's possible he could've outrun someone like
Ray Black in qualifying.


  15.   Diburrito24Fan posted:
  07.05.2018 - 12:07 pm
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I think it was 10 years again where Morgan ran towards the front after
Lepage wiped clean half the field.


  16.   #BowmanNation #TKNation #JRNation posted:
  07.05.2018 - 12:07 pm
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10. Shane lee ran at dega this year


  17.   Sandy posted:
  07.05.2018 - 12:08 pm
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But I do not feel bad for him withdrawing


  18.   Wil posted:
  07.05.2018 - 12:51 pm
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I'm baffled by Shane Lee's presence in the Xfinity series. Somehow he
flies under the radar as a ride buying hack in elite equipment.


  19.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.05.2018 - 5:21 pm
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I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Timmy hill with a top 10 in
first practace


  20.   Sandy posted:
  07.05.2018 - 5:35 pm
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What About MBM motorsports 1 and 2 in final practice with 10 cars on track


  21.   George posted:
  07.05.2018 - 5:38 pm
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Plate track.
Drafting.
10 cars on track.

It was nice to see someone different at the top of the leaderboard for a
change, but the significance (and any predictive value for the race) of
MBM being 1-2 obviously equals zero.


  22.   Iamthedebris posted:
  07.05.2018 - 6:31 pm
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Um... this is the practice results?


  23.   JSPorts posted:
  07.05.2018 - 6:50 pm
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It's cool to see them up there, but I doubt they have a shot to even
contend for a top-10 in the race. Some of these teams - BJ McLeod
Motorsports, MBM, JP Motorsports, Harmon, GreenLight, etc. don't really
have the speed to be able to stay in the lead draft for the whole race,
so they'll likely fall laps down even with the draft and restrictor plates.

Correction to the entry list: the owner of the #24 is GMS Racing, not
James Whitener. They're using the #24, but it's a different #24 (NASCAR
lists it as #224, I believe) than the one JGL ran.


  24.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.05.2018 - 6:57 pm
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The only teams that can't hang in the draft would probably be Harmon and
the JP cars. Timmy Hill has always been solid on plate tracks and his
efforts this weekend is a collaboration with VSI racing so MBM is coming
in with solid cars this weekend.


  25.   Anthony posted:
  07.05.2018 - 8:28 pm
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Most of the 10 cars that went out are the traditional start and parks.


  26.   LowSodiumCracker posted:
  07.05.2018 - 8:42 pm
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Of course, with everyone competing for stage points now, the faster cars
don't play it safe and hang out far back from the lead draft to avoid a
potential "big one". That would sometimes help benefit some slower cars
in the field.

I do think that the JP Motorsports are capable of staying in the
draft...but not the LEAD draft. I hate to say it, but their presence in
the back of the back is probably not going to by choice. Even if they
aren't competitive, being on track in the end usually means a free top
20 at tracks like this. That would be a nice boost for an up-and-coming
team like that. That's the beauty of these races, amidst the mayhem.

Don't be surprised if Jeff Green is competing for the win. That guy is
on his mid 50's and can still get it done. Seeing one of my childhood
drivers, and a start and park team win this race would be a dream come
true.


  27.   Anthony posted:
  07.06.2018 - 3:23 am
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If Jeff Green wins, that would be one of the funniest things to happen
in NASCAR for a long time.


  28.   RaceFanX posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:05 am
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Toyota dropped a bombshell the morning of this race as it announced that
it would replace the Camry as its Xfinity series race car in 2019 with
the revival of its Toyota Supra sports car. The NASCAR version of the
car debuted in an online video of it doing some donuts, fittingly in a
white #19 paint scheme, a week before the debut of the road-going one at
England's Festival of Speed.

The Camry will continue to be used in the Cup series next year.


  29.   RaceFanX posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:06 am
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*Toyota announced the Supra race car a day BEFORE this race, not the day
of.


  30.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:28 am
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Toyota announcement of the Supra was made about 3 weeks ago they finally
unveiled it yesterday.


  31.   RaceFanX posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:49 am
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My timing is way off here. I know I should have overnighted those Supra
announcement posts from Japan. Thanks Ultimate Warrior.


  32.   Scott B posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:01 am
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Interesting that Toyota would make the switch to Supra in this series
and stick with Camry in Cup, when Chevy just went in the opposite
direction with Camaro and soon Ford will be going to Mustang across both
series.

I really prefer it when manufacturers use different models to represent
their brand in each series.


  33.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:12 am
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The Xfinity Series used to be the Cup-lite division, where drivers had
the opportunity to prove themselves in slightly slower models of the Cup
vehicles. In 2010, that changed when the Xfinity Series started to use
the muscle cars. However, I think that Cup use different vehicles than
Xfinity, too. But those cars need to be based more on the street
versions. Cup should have each manufacturer's top-performing vehicle.
Xfinity should be #2. That just makes the most sense. And you can't tell
me that the Supra will be behind the Camry in terms of performance, so I
agree, it should be the Cup car.


  34.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:57 am
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What else will Ford use aside from the Mustang. I thought there were
getting rid of all of their car models.


  35.   Scott B posted:
  07.06.2018 - 12:54 pm
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Yes, all the Ford passenger cars except the Mustang are going away soon
(IIRR the timeline was 2020) so they can concentrate on the
Truck/SUV/Crossover market.

The Lincoln sedans did survive the announced purge, but probably not for
long. They'd be the only option if Ford was forced to come up with a
second model to race, but obviously, Ford wouldn't do that voluntarily.


  36.   RaceFanX posted:
  07.06.2018 - 1:00 pm
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"Boy I swear you're gonna drive me to drinkin' if you don't stop driving
that NASCAR Lincoln."


  37.   RaceFanX posted:
  07.06.2018 - 1:01 pm
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Ford only has one July Daytona win here since switching to the Mustang
in 2010. Maybe tonight's the night for number two.


  38.   Sandy posted:
  07.06.2018 - 2:39 pm
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There is rain in the area points could set the field


  39.   Eric posted:
  07.06.2018 - 2:39 pm
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It's friggin' pouring.


  40.   Wot posted:
  07.06.2018 - 3:16 pm
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78 and 99 are Toyota, but the 8 isnt. It is a Chevy as listed


  41.   48johnsonfan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 3:34 pm
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Qualifying has been cancelled, Ryan Preece on pole for later tonight.
Rain should be gone at that time. Possible that cup qualifying is
cancelled as well.


  42.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 3:45 pm
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Ahh the Florida rain never disappoints.


  43.   Sandy posted:
  07.06.2018 - 3:57 pm
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If that happens final four positions would be

37 96 DJ Kennington
38 7 Jeffrey earnhardt
39 92 Timothy peters
40 62 Brendan gaughan

DNQ 99 Landon Cassil


  44.   Danish Pie posted:
  07.06.2018 - 3:57 pm
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What do you know? Morgan gets screwed. : [


  45.   Wot posted:
  07.06.2018 - 4:10 pm
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Better Morgan misses than someone who would go the distance


  46.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 4:10 pm
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He didn't get screwed, he withdrew earlier this week.


  47.   RaceFanX posted:
  07.06.2018 - 4:45 pm
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Ryan Preece in the #18 Toyota starts in position #1 for the second time
in his career. The last time Preece had the pole was at Iowa in July
2017...the night he scored his first win in this series.


  48.   02Justin10 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 4:52 pm
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To the contrary, I would bet GMS paid Morgan off to withdraw and ensure
the #24 with Justin Haley made the field.


  49.   Wot posted:
  07.06.2018 - 5:02 pm
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And that's bad, why?


  50.   rm posted:
  07.06.2018 - 5:04 pm
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Probably wouldn't be that hard. All they'd have to do is probably give
him a couple sets of scuffs the next week and he'd be ok with that


  51.   possum posted:
  07.06.2018 - 5:08 pm
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@33 - the Xfinity series still is "Cup-lite" to all intents and purposes
(and will be more so when Ford switches to the Mustang in Cup).

For the sake of history: when the series started, as the Busch series,
they were based on production models one size smaller than Cup (Cup ran
what were called "full size", while Busch ran the somewhat misleadingly
named "compact" body size); they used a 305 cid V8, and a chassis with
~5" shorter wheelbase. In the mid-80s they switched to using a V6
engine. In 1990, NASCAR required the Busch teams to run the same
body/chassis as the Cup cars (susposedly for cost savings). Around 95,
NASCAR dropped the V6 and had the Busch cars use a 358 V8, same as Cup
except 9:1 compression. At that point, the cars were basically the same
as Cup cars, except less power.

That continued until the advent of the CoT. For no readily obvious
reason, the Xfinity CoT has a slightly longer wheelbase than the Cup
version. Xfinity cars also continue to use a carburator (instead of fuel
injection as in the Cup cars) and they use a restrictor (aka "tapered
spacer").

So, as the bodies become the same (again) you're basically back to 1995
- not much difference other than less power. "Cup-lite", just like always.


  52.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 6:26 pm
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Morgan cannot be too thrilled right now, unless comment 48 is on to
something. Maybe they gave Morgan a little cash to pull early.


  53.   42Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:02 pm
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Choo-choo train racing


  54.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:14 pm
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Plate race, only 3 Cup guys, yet all finish in the top 5 in stage 1,
including the top 2. I bet they finish top 5, as well.


  55.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:22 pm
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Dale Jr seems comfortable with Letarte. Jeff Burton is really getting
better, but his voice is so similar to Jr's that it kind of bothers me.
I don't know why I'm so fascinated with NBC's crew.


  56.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:22 pm
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Wagered 30 each on Custer (+1000), Reed (+1000), Hemric (+1000), Preece
(+1500) and Grala (+3000). If Grala won I'd win 900, Preece 450, and one
of the other three 300. I thought they were smart bets but the Cup guys
look a little dominant early. I have a feeling Chase in particular will
win tonight.


  57.   Dorsal Fin posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:22 pm
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Thrilling edge of your seat, follow the leader "racing'


  58.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:22 pm
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Timmy hill ran decent in the first stage


  59.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:22 pm
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Kyle Larson has made his way to the front of the field and is looking
for the stage 1 win. Polesitter Ryan Preece has fallen outside the
top-10 and says he is lacking on power.


  60.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:22 pm
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With four to go in the first stage, the top nine have broken away in the
single-file line, while 10th-place is 2.75 seconds behind. Larson
leading Chase Elliott and Elliot Sadler.


  61.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:25 pm
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You guys are crazy if you think these guys are going to race hard for a
stage win on Lap 30.


  62.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:27 pm
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I don't blame them, but that's just proof that the stage racing doesn't
work.


  63.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:32 pm
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Blaney is now the established leader with Ryan Briscoe in second and
Daniel Hemric third. Lap 47.


  64.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:34 pm
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Ryan Briscoe?


  65.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:35 pm
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Blaney-Cindric-Hemric-Sadler-Allgaier is the top-5 as we hit halfway at
lap 50.


  66.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:36 pm
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Sorry, Chase Briscoe. Too many Ryans in NASCAR these days, lol.


  67.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:36 pm
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Timmy hill 22nd


  68.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:39 pm
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Something wrong with the pole-sitting No. 18 car and Preece seems to be
out of the race. Car is in the garage.

Meanwhile, with five to go in stage 2, the racing up front has gotten
wild. Blaney leads a pack of two-wide hounds.


  69.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:40 pm
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News is that there's weather in the area. Larson ducks to the inside of
Blaney with three to go in stage and takes the lead!


  70.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:41 pm
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They're gonna wreck before this stage ends. Driving crazy right now. The
21 of Hemric has been sideways through the tri oval a few times now.


  71.   Taylor posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:41 pm
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Preece on pit road with the hood up


  72.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:45 pm
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Kyle Larson wins Stage 2 as Brandon Jones decides that he wants to mow
the lawn. Race is now official should Mother Nature decide that its
bedtime for these drivers.


  73.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:49 pm
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Brandon Jones runs out of talent and loses it coming to the checkered
for stage 2. Larson demonstrates his absurd talent with a gorgeous
crossover on Blaney with a couple to go to take the first couple stages.


  74.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:50 pm
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I don't think Brandon Jones is great, but suggesting someone isn't a
good driver because they lost it by themselves off of turn 4 at Daytona
(which Dale Jr & Jimmie Johnson have both done) is just an empty insult.


  75.   George posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:51 pm
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@73 Wait a minute: Blaney didn't retaliate like a petulant little
shithead after a clean pass and spin Larson out, like we saw someone do
last week. How odd.


  76.   42Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:53 pm
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Who here thinks there will be a flip? The Xfinity Series hasn't had a
flip since 2015.


  77.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:55 pm
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@75 Well I didn't see Larson put Blaney into the wall either.


  78.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:58 pm
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Yeah, I fail to see the resemblance between those two moves at all. Give
it a rest. It's possible that Kyle Larson actually did something wrong
(or not wrong, but something that was dirty.)


  79.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 8:58 pm
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Ryan Reed goes spinning off turn 4! Caution out lap 73.


  80.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:01 pm
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The fact that Ryan Reed wasn't able to keep that car off the wall is
kind of embarrassing. That's what separates Ryan Reed from drivers with
talent. Every time I watch the Xfinity series I'm blown away at some of
the guys that purchase their way into big teams.


  81.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:01 pm
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The #8 of Cesar Bacarella and #78 of Blake Jones also involved in that
incident as the two were slowing behind the spinning Reed.


  82.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:03 pm
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@75 are you suggesting Larson's pass on Busch at Chicago was clean? He
tried the slidejob, failed, and put him in the wall. Busch had every
right to pull the same move on Larson one turn later.


  83.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:03 pm
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That's too bad for BJ. Two cars collected in that. And for once,
Bacarella's involved in a crash he didn't start.


  84.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:04 pm
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@74 I didn't suggest Brandon Jones ran out of talent because he spun.
I'm just pointing out that he doesn't have talent, period. However, his
dad has such an insane amount of money that he'll get years and years of
seat time in elite equipment, so maybe one day he can become an average
Xfinity driver.


  85.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:11 pm
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And there is your flip.


  86.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:11 pm
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Getting real good now with 20 to go. Great battle for the lead between
Blaney and Sadler.


  87.   Ralph posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:12 pm
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Big One! Austin Cindric flips about 3 times


  88.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:12 pm
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BIG ONE with 19 laps to go!!! Austin Cindric gets turned going into turn
1 and collects a dozen others! Cindric eventually gets turned on his lid
and starts tumbling with a series of barrel rolls in turn 2! Wow


  89.   Jericohol14 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:12 pm
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Future of Penske Racing folks!


  90.   Ralph posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:13 pm
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He's out and give the thumbs up. Tough break for him


  91.   42Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:13 pm
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Welp, guess I'm right


  92.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:13 pm
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February Daytona winner Tyler Reddick also involved with some
significant damage on the right front.


  93.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:14 pm
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Wasn't someone talking about flipping and look what happens


  94.   Dorsal Fin posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:15 pm
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Where does Richard Children's find these idiots? This wreck will be the
springboard for Larson to win


  95.   Jonesfan2077 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:16 pm
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How in the world does a car hit another so perfectly with the front end
that it flips like that?! Very weird. Glad everyone is alright, and I
have a feeling things are only going to get crazier.


  96.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:16 pm
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Cindric has now wrecked at both Daytona races, and both were objectively
his fault. He refused to take responsibility for either.


  97.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:16 pm
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Looks like Cindric's RF climbed up Reddick's LR and just turned him over.


  98.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:16 pm
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That's a really hard place on the track for the spotters to see the
positioning of the cars side-by-side, so he likely didn't even know the
2 had his nose inside the 60. You've got to keep it down on the yellow
line if you're Cindric. Rookie mistake there, but he will learn from
this and won't do that again.


  99.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:17 pm
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Upon further review, not really Cindric's fault. Kind of a typical
superspeedway crash beginning.

@94 Childress gives seats to whoever brings money. Been that way for
about a decade now.


  100.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:18 pm
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Looks like Cindric, Tifft, Truex, Hemric got the worst of it.

It all started when Cindric drifted a little high exiting the tri-oval
and Tifft had a peek inside, only to have the #60 come back down and
Tifft turned Cindric. Just tough racing, IMO.


  101.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:19 pm
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@99 yep pretty much the only reason why RCR still exist


  102.   Dorsal Fin posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:21 pm
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Children's and Gibbs each had B. Jones and Tifft. Different cars, same
bozos driving them.


  103.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:22 pm
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I'll take Jones over Tifft


  104.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:24 pm
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I think it's a toss-up, Jones has outperformed Tifft in the #19, but
Tifft has done better than Jones did at RCR.


  105.   Wat posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:24 pm
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We pretending Tifft and Jones are bad?


  106.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:24 pm
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@100 I think Hemric's car emerged without damage, he just got spun
around. His car doesn't seem fast enough to drive back up there though,
at least not to the top 5. Hope I'm wrong.


  107.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:25 pm
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18 car pile-up in Turn 1 . That's dang near half the field. Small pack
from here on out. The cars will have more room to maneuver around.


  108.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:27 pm
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@105 I hope that's sarcasm, but based on some of your former comments I
could actually see you thinking that Jones and Tifft are good.


  109.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:29 pm
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Mean Jeff Green sits p. 13!


  110.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:31 pm
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Impressive, mature interview from Cindric.


  111.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:36 pm
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I hate when these late race cautions eat up the laps in a race.


  112.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:38 pm
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There go Hightowers chances of a career day.


  113.   Allen posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:41 pm
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Where's the guy who thought Jeff Green could compete for the win?


  114.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:41 pm
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And there go Elliot's chances


  115.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:42 pm
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Michael Annett has a chance for his first Top 10 this year.


  116.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:43 pm
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Chase Elloit out of the race with 10 laps left. Appears to be a power
steering issue that has affected other parts of the car.


  117.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:46 pm
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Dude wave the green flag...this caution shouldn't be eating up all these
laps.


  118.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:46 pm
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115. That's kinda sad considering he's driving for one of the top teams
of the series


  119.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:48 pm
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Restart with 7 laps to go and Sadler got a good jump! Takes the lead
over Bell and Larson. Blaney falls to fifth in the mix.


  120.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:48 pm
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Is that Chastain in the top-5??


  121.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:49 pm
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A spinner in the back of the pack but no yellow!


  122.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:50 pm
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Damn! Mean Green is out.


  123.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:50 pm
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Another wreck takes another 8-10 cars out.


  124.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:50 pm
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Dale, Jr. starting to play some "Ned Jarrett" favoritism towards his
team, lol.


  125.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:51 pm
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Anybody else saw Timmy hill move into the top 10?


  126.   42Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:51 pm
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The wrecks always involve the drivers you want to win


  127.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:51 pm
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Wowww some really wild racing for the lead and a big crash through the
tri-oval with three laps to go!! Ryan Reed got stuck in the middle and
was part of it, and his #16 almost flipped as he slid through the grass.


  128.   Chap904 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:52 pm
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Just saw the stands, hardly anyone one is there. Sad, NASCAR has killed
itself.


  129.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:52 pm
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The 42 car made a big power move there. His car is unreal tonight.


  130.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:52 pm
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Great all the underdogs wreck


  131.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:54 pm
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Vinnie Miller randomly spinning into the shot is such a Vinnie Miller
thing to do.


  132.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:56 pm
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That wreck wasn't Custer's fault, but he wasn't very impressive tonight
after leading the first few laps.

I know I harp on Larson a lot, but I can't think of any other drivers
where the talent just leaps off the TV screen. He makes moves and
threads needles that nobody even thinks of, and demonstrates the most
car control I've ever seen. I'm only 22 so missed some legends, but I've
never seen a driver throw a car around the track with such controlled
precision like Kyle Larson. He's truly one of the greatest racing
talents to ever walk the planet.


  133.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 9:56 pm
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So Jeff Green actually caused that when he got into Cole Custer, whose
car clipped the back of the #90 of Josh Williams. Custer and Williams
both turned right and crushed the outside wall hard, then collected
several others.


  134.   Drakion posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:00 pm
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Jeff Green manages to cause a huge wreck taking himself out in one of
his rare non start and park appearance.......good job Jeff...


  135.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:00 pm
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@130 Timmy Hill and Chad Finchum are running in the top 10


  136.   GoPM21 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:00 pm
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@96
I completely agree. He turned down and caused the whole wreck. He's
absolutely terrible. Nepotism at its finest.


  137.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:01 pm
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So the first GWC finish is coming up, with Larson and Allgaier on the
front row. Behind them is Sadler, Haley and Blaney rounding out the top-5.


  138.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:04 pm
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Haley could be in trouble


  139.   Jonesfan2077 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:04 pm
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Ouch.


  140.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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Did Hayley win?


  141.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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He did hit the yellow line


  142.   Jonesfan2077 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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I figured he had, but still that hurts.


  143.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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JUSTIN HALEY STEALS THE WIN!!! Wowww, just weeks after winning his first
NASCAR Truck race, Haley grabs his first Xfinity win with a Ron
Bouchard-like pass on Larson and Sadler, who were side by side.


  144.   Ralph posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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Hate that for Haley, but rules are rules


  145.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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Friggin yellow line rule


  146.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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Damn it nascar


  147.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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They ruled him below the line so Larson wins.


  148.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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You know how you lose fans?

You made a decision like that


  149.   42Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:05 pm
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ABOLISH THE YELLOW LINE RULE IT IS THE MOST BS RULE
EVER


  150.   Seibaru posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:06 pm
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42 wins. That was below the yellow by Haley.


  151.   Chap904 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:06 pm
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f**k NASCAR


  152.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:06 pm
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Ohhhhh noooo! NASCAR says Haley went below the yellow line. Wowww.

Which means, Larson nipped Sadler at the line to win. Elliott Sadler
loses ANOTHER Daytona race by mere inches! Incredible.


  153.   possum posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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Well, NASCAR f'd up again. It's really no wonder the sport has declined
the way it has when NASCAR's incompetence leads them to shoot themselves
in the foot so frequently.


  154.   Sector posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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Below yellow line rule should go out the door when white flag waves.
First Poole, now Haley. Pathetic.

Both Daytona races this year, Elliott Sadler loses the races by a photo
finish. That sums up his Xfinity career.


  155.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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What Haley did didn't make a difference.

If you're Larson I'm not for sure if you can "celebrate" this


  156.   Scott25 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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Nah. Amazing move by Haley. But he wasn't forced down there like Smith
was in '08, so this isn't really that controversial by comparison. Rules
are rules.


  157.   Altracing posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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149 why are you complaining when your driver won the race


  158.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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The yellow line rule sucks.


  159.   George Costanza posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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Wasn't Haley past the two leaders when he went below?


  160.   Drakion posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:07 pm
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Man, Nascar, you can go to hell with your moronic rules.


  161.   Burton22Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:08 pm
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I didn't see him go below it. He was more on it, than below it. But
yeah, I could see that finish coming from a mile away.


  162.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:09 pm
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To stop this bs NASCAR could make it where your tires can be on it but
not below it, for the love of Jimmie Johnson stop this. I have lost
faith in NASCAR.



Hey ya wanna know a positive, Timmy hill got his first top 10 since 2012


  163.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:09 pm
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159
From that top angle it kinda looks like it.


  164.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:09 pm
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Nascar can't get out of its own way. Imagine borderline fans watching
that race and seeing that finish, and then the win doesn't go to the
massive underdog who barely clips a yellow line. If I were them, I
wouldn't watch another race. Why is that a rule? Seriously, why?


  165.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:09 pm
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NASCAR has got to get rid of that yellow line rule smh


  166.   Jared DiCarlo posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:09 pm
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Does anyone else hear those guys in the audience booing?


  167.   Clinton Buchanan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:10 pm
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That' finishReminded me of dega 08 fall and Daytona umlinted 2011


  168.   Z posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:10 pm
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*Screaming Intensifies* AAAHHH!!!
Results Will Never Show Who Really Won...


  169.   Drakion posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:10 pm
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Worst part is a Cup invader gets the win because of this BS...


  170.   Burton22Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:11 pm
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Besides, even if Haley did win it, it would've been meaningless since
he's running the Trucks full time. Also, Elliot can't catch a break.


  171.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:12 pm
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watching the replay you can see Haley did dip below the yellow line with
his left side tires before he passed both cars, so sad for this but he
had room that was no reason to go lower.

not happy with the finish like that but it was the right call sadly


  172.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:13 pm
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I would like a definition of what is considered to be below the yellow
line. I don't think NASCAR has ever actually explained it.


  173.   Sector posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:13 pm
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"It's like football, you're out of bound."

I didn't realize we're a ball sport... You can tell that Sadler was
slightly coming down to Haley before he turned back to Larson, that's
when Haley went below the line.

That's a complete pass. Bad call by NASCAR.


  174.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:14 pm
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It isn't meaningless, he would have won in his second start, imagine
what an impression that would have made on team owners.

Granted they might still be impressed but you get the point.


  175.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:14 pm
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149 - There is a very good reason for that rule. Not BS, but reality. If
you were a NASCAR fan you would know that.


  176.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:14 pm
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Haley clearly went below the yellow line.


  177.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:15 pm
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That ruling was correct, but the yellow line rule is dumb as its stand,
you can't make passes with six inches of your car below the yellow line.
THats bad and has done more damage than safety.


  178.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:16 pm
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Anyways Kaz Grala brings the 61 home in 5th, while Timmy Hill brings the
66 home in 7th. Michael Annett failed to score a Top 10 and Justin Haley
is credited with 18th.


  179.   Drakion posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:17 pm
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The bs tellow line rule caused Carl Edwards to go into the fence, the
rule needs to go.


  180.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:17 pm
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The finish looked like the last lap of the 1992 IROC race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnG-_j9hV_8

Rick Allen couldn't even tell who it was going by Sadler and Larson, lol.


  181.   02Justin10 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:17 pm
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I totally agreed with NASCAR's call. Haley dipped below the yellow line
while in the act of passing. NASCAR has to enforce their own rules.


  182.   Sector posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:17 pm
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"Besides, even if Haley did win it, it would've been meaningless since
he's running the Trucks full time. Also, Elliot can't catch a break."

I won a race at Daytona! Not so meaningless huh?


  183.   Tin Foil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:19 pm
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Meanwhile, that pushing rule is going well.


  184.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:19 pm
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I know this may sound dumb but why don't they make a line about five
inches below the normal double yellow line, and on the final lap you can
pass below the double yellow line but not below this new line, but every
other lap you must stay above the double yellow line. I know this sounds
stupid but it would create some exiting finishes.


  185.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:20 pm
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NASCAR's a joke. It's no wonder they lose fans over and over. I'm glad
Haley called them out as well. To make a move like that from a truck
series regular on two experienced drivers and Cup winners like Larson
and Sadler on the last lap was really impressive.

Perhaps some major teams should give Haley a shot.


  186.   Maverick19 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:20 pm
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Rules are the rules.

But that doesn't make them any less stupid.


  187.   Corey posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:20 pm
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I think I would like to see Brandon Jones and Shane Lee to stand beside
each other. I think Lee would tower over Jones.


  188.   Sector posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:21 pm
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I understand why the rules are in place.

At the same time, it's a completely "party pooper" when things like this
happen to Haley, Poole and Smith. I remember reading that someone was
going to this race that visits here. Let's see what they say from the
audience point of view, I bet they're extremely disappointed, and the
photo finish is probably the most disappointing photo finish ever. I
wasn't even impressed by it this time.


  189.   Jared DiCarlo posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:21 pm
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Justin Haley is such a good sport for going to victory lane to
congratulate Larson.


  190.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:21 pm
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What a stupid rule. Obviously Haley broke it, but what a stupid rule. It
never does anything to help, and only comes up in situations like this.
Another Kyle Larson Xfinity win! How exciting!


  191.   Thomas posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:22 pm
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NASCAR didn't do themselves any favors with that call. It reeks of
favoritism.

What it reminded me of was the non-call on Dale Jr. during the 2003
Aaron's 499 when he went 3-wide on the bottom into turn 3 and his left
sides got under the line but didn't penalize him. You could also compare
it to when Regan Smith was forced under the yellow line by Tony Stewart
and NASCAR awarded the win to Stewart instead of penalizing him too for
clearly forcing Smith below the yellow line.


  192.   52 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:22 pm
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I really really REALLY wanted to see Haley win that race. But NASCAR is
correct in the call according to their rules so it is what it is.

On that note: I still believe that NASCAR shapes their rules to help the
1% win, NASCAR is terrified of seeing anyone else but the four fastest
cars win each week because they can only make money off of Kyle Busch,
Kyle Larson, Martin Truex, Jr. and Kevin Harvick. This rules package
makes it so that these people will win week in and week out with little
to no variety and surprisingly enough, all the fans hate it.


  193.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:23 pm
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@170 The would would be meaningless because Haley isn't running Xfinity
full-time??? What?? Any win is big, especially your first win in the
next series up! Don't give me this BS about a victory not mattering
because you're competing fulltime in another series. If Fernando Alonso
had won the 2017 Indy 500, you think he wouldn't have cared because he
was a fulltime F1 driver?

As far as the rule, Haley was rightfully penalized. However, I think it
should be changed so that drivers who have already made the pass (i.e.
the front plane of their car has cleared the other car) will not be
penalized. How can you illegally advance your position by going below
the line when you're already ahead?


  194.   Burton22Fan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:24 pm
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@182 I meant points wise, it would be meaningless. It still would've
been impressive that he won at Daytona.


  195.   Wil posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:25 pm
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For some inexplicable reason, NBC interviewed Brandon Jones post race.
He finished 12th.


  196.   Timothy Eklund posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:25 pm
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I wish they also got rid of the no pushing rule


  197.   Maverick19 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:26 pm
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Kyle Larson is starting to become the new Kyle of this series.

If I was running NASCAR, Haley would be in victory lane, but instead he
gets the short end of the stick. I guess it is what it is.


  198.   George posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:26 pm
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NASCAR credits Haley with leading the final lap of the race, which I
guess is a nice consolation prize.


  199.   Jared DiCarlo posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:27 pm
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@198 How does that work?


  200.   Ryan posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:28 pm
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The thing is had he stayed above the yellow line it wouldn't have
changed things, he still would have crossed the finish line first,
besides them maybe making contact and perhaps crashing. So, NASCAR wants
to enforce the yellow line rule, but had he stayed above it they may
have made contact close to the line and possibly crashed. Logic?


  201.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:29 pm
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@192 No. NASCAR does not develop rules to help the top teams win. Just
put that theory to rest right now.


  202.   52 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:29 pm
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Also, don't let it be forgotten these two things:

A. Kaz Grala coming from a flat tire to a 5th place finish in TWO laps.
If there was another restart he could have legitimately won this race
with much more fresh tires.

B. Timmy Hill finished 7th for Carl Long and the combined age for these
two cars is 21 years old. Older than some of the field.


  203.   George posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:30 pm
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@201: Rob Kaufmann says "hi".


  204.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:34 pm
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By the way, that's the second week in a row that Larson has been
involved in a wild finish. First the Cup race at Chicago, now the
Xfinity race at Daytona. I mean, he's one of the top drivers in NASCAR
obviously, but he really has become one of the guys to watch these days.
Move over Jimmy Spencer, just name him the new "Mr. Excitement".


  205.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:36 pm
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@203 Okay but the 192 poster said NASCAR shapes its rules to help the
big teams win. NASCAR didn't organize the owners group that Kaufman had
a hand in that pools together race winnings for 35 of the top Cup teams.


  206.   joey2448 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:40 pm
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This is Elliott Sadler's third straight 2nd-place finish at Daytona in
the Xfinity series, and his two runner-ups in 2018 came in a combined
margin of victory of .0054 seconds. Unbelievable that he can be so close
and not win.


  207.   52 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:41 pm
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@201 Please explain to me how the "Charter" system helps out the teams
with less cash lol.


  208.   David posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:47 pm
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Maybe NASCAR had little to do with Kaufmann's money grab, but there's no
doubt that they support it even to the point of reducing field sizes to
cut the littlest teams out.

It has the additional impact, hardly beneficial for growing the sport at
its top level, of thwarting the ambitions of new teams because why would
those newbies put a ton of $$$$ into development when there's only a
tiny handful of non-charter spots available per race and existing
smaller teams have the best shot at those by far.

All the powers-that-be, i.e. Kaufmann, NASCAR & the big team owners saw
that the golden goose was dying and the charter plan ensures that the
fat cats get a bigger slice of the ever-shrinking pie (did I mix enough
metaphors there?).


  209.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:47 pm
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198 - Racing Reference credits Haley with leading the final lap of the
race. Racing Reference is not NASCAR. I think they will correct that
credit.


  210.   GoPM21 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:47 pm
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@206
Elliott Sadler simply doesn't have the chops.

NASCAR is taking a well-deserved drubbing on social media. They blew it.
Again.


  211.   Derrick posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:50 pm
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@209 So NASCAR really shows a different leader of lap 105? This site
just makes up who the lap leaders of a race are?

smh


  212.   Anthony posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:50 pm
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@206 well if you think about it, this is his 7th 2nd place finish since
his last Xfinity win. Elliott Sadler is not the only who is so close &
can't win. Chase Elliott is the exact same copy in the Monster Energy
Series with 8 2nd place finishes. So I guess being an Elliott means
you're a bridesmaid.


  213.   George posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:54 pm
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NASCAR indeed has Haley leading lap 105 at this moment. They may alter
that fact once the ludicrousness of it is realized.

If this site is in the business of making things up, could someone
please change the results to show Haley winning? Thanks in advance.


  214.   Maverick19 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 10:55 pm
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I wonder if Elliott falling just short in plate tracks the last two
years is retribution for winning the race that should've been Brennan
Poole's


  215.   Maverick19 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:00 pm
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And we've now had 4 botched plate race finishes in Xfinity in the last
2.5 years. A 55% success rate is crazy bad.


  216.   Sandy posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:05 pm
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Both mbm motorsports cars had a great weekend not only timmy hill
scoring a top 10 in 7th but also
Chad finchum got his best career finish in 14th


Great weekend for carl long having 2 cars finish in the top 15


  217.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:05 pm
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211 -
https://www.nascar.com/results/race_center/2018/xfinity-series/coca-cola-firecracker-250/stn/race/


  218.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:08 pm
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@215 this one and Dega 2017, but what are the other two?


  219.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:11 pm
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I know it sucks. Haley made a hell of a move, but that rule is there for
a reason.


  220.   Maverick19 posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:12 pm
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@218

This and Dega 2016 (geez it's been that long), and the other two are the
July Daytona races in 2016, where they waited 25 seconds to throw the
caution right before the checkered flag, and then 2017, where they may
or may not have ended the race early due to the wonderful glorys of the
overtime line.


  221.   Dorsal Fin posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:18 pm
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@94 I predicted the outcome half an hour before it happened.


  222.   Tarheel posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:18 pm
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Michael Annett can't even get a top ten in a plate race.

You know what? I'm gonna leave him alone. He's paying the bills and
living life his way. I'd probably do the same damn thing.


  223.   Sector posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:21 pm
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"@215 this one and Dega 2017, but what are the other two?"

I don't know the other two he's referring to either, but the one Poole
SHOULD have won was in 2016, not '17.


  224.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:29 pm
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211, 213 - Not sure how it works. "NASCAR" shows Haley is scored as last
car on the lead lap.


  225.   JSPorts posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:32 pm
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NASCAR managed to ruin a good race with a bad rule on the last lap. The
unfortunate thing is, tomorrow's race probably won't be as good, because
the Cup guys like to run single-file for the whole race.


  226.   Thomas posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:35 pm
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I watched a lot more NASCAR back around the time the yellow line rule
was instituted than I do now, but that rule has been BS from day 1. All
it was was smoke and mirrors to make it seem like NASCAR was trying to
do something to cut down on the Big Ones, particularly in the aftermath
of the death of Dale Earnhardt.

The only Big One I can recall being started by somebody going below
where the yellow line is was the 1999 DieHard 500 when Mike Skinner
blocked Tony Stewart down into the grass on the backstretch and then
Skinner lost control and spun back across traffic. Other than that it
was always contact up in the middle of the track or a mechanical problem
that would cause the Big One.


  227.   Sector posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:36 pm
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Also, Justin Haley started dead last in 40th. To start dead last and to
win a race is an accomplishment on its own. Damn shame.


  228.   Nucl3ar Wa4le posted:
  07.06.2018 - 11:44 pm
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  229.   Dorsal Fin posted:
  07.07.2018 - 12:04 am
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I just read that McLeod and Starr were "disqualified for failing to obey
the red flag"


  230.   TruexFan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 7:07 am
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So I want to ask a question not to continue to stir the pot, but simply
because I want to understand the rule. After looking at the finish a few
times, it was very clear that Haley was ahead of Sadler and Larson by
the time he went below the yellow line. Wouldn't that mean he didnt
break the rule cause he was the leader or does the rule require a
complete pass?


  231.   Iamthedebris posted:
  07.07.2018 - 8:16 am
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I think, in my opinion, if all 4 tires go below the line, then there is
reason to make that call. But of course, even if a hair goes below the
line, it's not a legal move.


  232.   34McDowellFan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 8:39 am
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Top 10's this year

Timmy Hill - 1
Michael Annett - 0


  233.   jensenators posted:
  07.07.2018 - 8:56 am
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@180.
I also thought the same thing as far as Rick Allen's call. That's one of
the most awkward race ending calls ever because he had no clue who was
driving the 24 car. Lol.


  234.   NazRacePhan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 9:07 am
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NASSCAR is full of shit!!!!. Do away with the damn yellow line rule on
the straights. Turns are fine to enforce it, due to the banking, but
every other damn track they can pass LOW on the straights!!!! Look how
low they race on the apron at Cali and Michigan with no problems! Haley
won the damn race in my opinion!!!!!


  235.   Diburrito24Fan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 9:40 am
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I feel sick for Justin Haley. Had a win stolen from him.


  236.   CBASS posted:
  07.07.2018 - 10:13 am
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Saw a comment earlier on the age of Timmy's car, you got it mixed up
with the 40. The 66 was NXT's car from February, and is a 2017 Gibbs
car. VSI ponied up for a Gibbs motor this weekend and the car was quick.

The 40 is 201, an original COT that was built in 2007. It's been the
Mark Thompson ride since 2016.


  237.   JSPorts posted:
  07.07.2018 - 10:26 am
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That's pretty cool that older cars like the 61 and the 40 can still be
competitive at places like Daytona. They finished 5th and 14th in the
race. And a great run for Timmy Hill, as well.


  238.   MSportRev posted:
  07.07.2018 - 10:57 am
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Kaz Grala, Chad Finchum, and Timmy Hill were using cars that were 10+
years old. Grala's was a retired showcar. The determination those
drivers and teams have are incredible!


  239.   MSportRev posted:
  07.07.2018 - 10:59 am
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Also, due to the penalty, Kyle Larson led from lap 96 to lap 105. The
only lap that Justin Haley will officially be credited with leading is
lap 64.


  240.   Leo posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:00 am
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Haven't been watching much NASCAR lately at all, but did sit down and
give this one a good go and was really enjoying things there. I like the
way the cars race in with this package and felt that it was showing off
all of the strong parts of NASCAR racing, with lots of exciting action
and properly impressive moves from the drivers: there was a sequence
with 5 to go that was the highlight for me - The 42 faked the 20 high,
dove to the bottom to take the position, the 22 then has a massive run
up top and they go three wide for the lead into turn 3. I'm watching
this and actually saying to myself "Awesome, this is what it's all about".

But then the call at the end undoes all the good that has been done by
what has come before it. I look at these situations and think "What is
the objective of this, what are they trying to achieve?" And I know that
it's supposed to be about safety. But the current rule is an extremely
poor solution. It's extremely counter-intuitive - the fans, the drivers,
even the commentators seem unable to understand what's happening at the
time.

Safety is obviously paramount, so it makes sense to have some way to
discourage reckless moves made without disregard for the wellbeing of
others, but surely if it can be done in a way that is both effective and
easy to follow, wouldn't that be a better thing?

I have an alternative - if you go below the yellow line and cause a
wreck, you will be penalized. What we have now is a rule that punishes
people when nothing has happened. Hayley going below the line had no
impact on anything whatsoever. It didn't endanger anyone. It didn't ruin
anyone elses race. It didn't give him an advantage. So why should he be
penalized? He should be penalized because rules must be adhered to and
can't be metered out on a whim. But that doesn't mean this isn't a poor
rule and can be handled in a much better way.

So where I was pleasantly surprised to find myself enjoying a NASCAR
race again, the negative situation at the end (which is purely about the
un-intuitive, non fan-friendly, pointless way that a race is changed,
not about who won or anything like that) is what dominates the memory
hours after the race.

I should have turned the TV just after they took the chequered flag,
because that was an awesome finish. The two leaders duelling, the bold
move to the inside, the 3 wide pass for the win - that's what NASCAR
should be about. Instead, it's about something else entirely. Which is
why it's really hard to want to be fan.


  241.   Leo posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:06 am
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I'd also like to add that the way NASCAR takes safety, I find to be
either contradictory or hypocritical. A driver was penalized today
because he could have caused an accident. But on the otherhand, you can
actually cause an accident for real and get absolutely no form of
reprimand or punishment for it.

What kind of message does this send?


  242.   Corey posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:20 am
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@234 So when does a straight end and a turn begin? Fans complain about
the yellow line rule as it is now and you want to make it more
judgemental? The straights are the sole reason this rule was put in place.


  243.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:23 am
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NASCAR should've just given the win to Morgan Shepherd. He withdrew
Tuesday, but since NASCAR likes to play games, why not just do that.


  244.   Corey posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:31 am
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I think a lot of you are forgetting a moment in the 1999 Daytona 500.
Going into Turn 1, Jeff Gordon went to the apron to pass Rusty Wallace
for the lead. Now Rusty would have been content to leave Gordon on the
apron, but Ricky Rudd had just come out of the pits and was traveling
much more slowly then the leaders. Not wanting to go to Rudd's funeral,
he moved up the track to let Gordon in.


  245.   Kentucky Wildcat posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:49 am
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I just canceled my plans attend tonight�??s race. After seeing this
last night, I don�??t want to attend a race just to have it ruined by
a judgement call by people upstairs. If I go to a race and see a driver
I�??m cheering for cross the finish line first, I wanna know he won.
Nott sit there 5 minutes after I�??ve been cheering, already
celebrated, watched him come around to do burnouts just to hear he
didn�??t win. Or have a incident like Talladega couple yrs ago when
they took over 10 minutes after the race to decide who won with Elliott
Sadler and Brenna Poole sitting at the start finish line was pathetic
and chances of a similar incident occurring will keep me away


  246.   Pancakes posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:49 am
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The only reason anyone is even in an uproar is because an underdog lost
due to the rules. If that rule was abolished the day before the race and
then Kyle Larson made the same pass to get around Justin Haley in a role
reversal and stole the win then everyone would be complaining about how
their was a rule in place for a reason.

I've noticed over the last decade and a half all the fans complains only
ever come down to what drives are involved and rules a perfectly fine so
long as their driver ends up on the right side of the rule and rules are
always stupid if their driver is on the wrong side of that rule.


  247.   Mannoroth posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:49 am
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Kyle Larson won at Daytona, which is a superspeedway track. That's
really odd, because he isn't good on those tracks just like at the road
courses. And would be still winless, if NASCAR did find their brain that
is still missing in their heads...


  248.   Leo posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:50 am
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Well aware of 1999.

Are there any examples of a wreck that has clearly been caused by a
driver going below the yellow line?


  249.   Seibaru posted:
  07.07.2018 - 11:59 am
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15 and 52 were parked for an undisclosed red flag violation I believe.


  250.   SMIFF TV posted:
  07.07.2018 - 12:03 pm
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What bothers me most about this whole deal is how hypocritical NASCAR is
in general (which, obviously, isn't some sort of new revelation, as it's
been their M.O. for years now).

In this years Daytona 500, Austin Dillon literally plowed Aric Almirola
head-on into the wall, on purpose, to win the race. He ran all over him
until he wrecked, Almirola didn't block and turn across his nose (like,
say, Kyle Busch did in 2009). NASCAR was perfectly fine with that.

But yet Justin Haley makes an honest, spectacular, CLEAN move for the
win....but because of an arbitrary yellow line rule enforced to promote
"safety", they strip the win from him.

Intentionally turning someone head-on into the wall 200 mph is "safe",
but accidentally touching a yellow line is "unsafe".

Totally makes sense.


  251.   George posted:
  07.07.2018 - 12:08 pm
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@249: We'll find out about this and other assumptions (like who really
is credited with leading lap 105, surely it will be Larson) when NASCAR
issues the official race report on Monday.

Unless they announce something sooner, which would be unusual but then
this race ending was an unusual occurrence.


  252.   David posted:
  07.07.2018 - 12:16 pm
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Actually if you check, NASCAR has already changed lap 105 to Larson as
of a few minutes ago.

Those 2 supposedly-parked drivers still show up with the same status
they had as of last night though.


  253.   Derrick posted:
  07.07.2018 - 12:20 pm
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Kaz Grala 5th, Timmy Hill 7th, Ross Chastain 10th! Sure it was a plate
track but 3 totally non Cup affiliated drivers & teams getting top 10s
in this day and age in ANY race is incredible!

I hope by now somebody at a higher level is noticing what Grala is
accomplishing this season.


  254.   Thomas posted:
  07.07.2018 - 12:34 pm
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@246: If the roles were reversed and it was Larson that made the move
around Haley NASCAR would have given the win to Larson. A lot of people
who have followed the sport for a long time know that when a judgment
call like that comes it is almost always going to go in favor of the
more established or more popular driver.

@248: The one that comes to mind is the 2009 Daytona 500 when Vickers
forced Dale Jr. under the line and Jr. misjudged the room he had getting
back in (like Vickers at Talladega in 2006) and clipped Vickers to
trigger the Big One. In that one though Jr. was trying to come back
above the line when the contact was made.


  255.   JSPorts posted:
  07.07.2018 - 12:54 pm
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I completely agree, had the roles been flipped, Larson would've still won.


  256.   52 posted:
  07.07.2018 - 1:10 pm
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Exactly Leo. Many more crashes been caused because of the asinine rule.
Now the backstretch is mostly paved, so running into the grass isnt an
issue.

Like Leo said, not many crashes have been saved by the rule, so it makes
it easier to manipulate finishes.


  257.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  07.07.2018 - 1:18 pm
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@255 Only because the world hates Elliot Sadler. :P


  258.   JSPorts posted:
  07.07.2018 - 2:00 pm
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That has nothing to do with Elliott Sadler, it has to do with
inconsistencies. Sadler wouldn't have won if the roles were flipped,
Haley would've. Let me put it in a way that you'll agree with: the roles
would be reversed if Kyle Busch was in Haley's position. I can't believe
you actually see a difference between Larson & Busch running Xfinity
still, but I guess some people will never see through their blind hatred
of one and blind support of the other.


  259.   Ryan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 3:11 pm
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@240-241

Very well put... Haley was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

@250

They actually interviewed Almirola yesterday and he said if he had to do
it all over again he would block Dillon again regardless the outcome.
So, he acknowledged that he did indeed block Dillon. It's the last lap
of the Daytona 500. As I said last week, All is fair in love, war, and
the last lap.


  260.   Pancakes posted:
  07.07.2018 - 3:15 pm
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#254 I agree. NASCAR makes it rules up as they go based on the drivers
involved, but I am also saying that fans only care about what the rules
are and are not based on the drives involved.

2003 Dale Junior clearly goes below the yellow line to make a winning
pass at Talladega and NASCAR doesn't care but amazingly the fans don't
care that a win was essentially stolen from Kevin Harvick and fans don't
care that Dale Junior should only have 25 wins instead of 26 wins.

Fast forward 5 years when Reagan Smith goes below the yellow and NASCAR
does call it because it was Reagan Smith and Tony Stewart a no body vs.
a legend which was wrong on NASCAR's part, but what was also wrong was
the uproar that still goes on today that Tony Stewart stole a win and
Smith should be the rightful winner. Where was the crap when Junior did it?

All I am saying is NASCAR and Fans alike a equally bias in their
opinions of the rules.

And BTW IMO everyone is wrong about the 2008 race. Reagan Smith clearly
deserves to be penalized based on the rules in place so he should in no
way be declared the winner. If fans want a penalty for a driver forcing
someone below the yellow line which I would agree with it would then
strip Tony Stewart of the win as well. There was no rule for such a
thing and I don't believe there is even today so by rules Tony Stewart
was the winner, but the only right winner in my opinion especially if
the fans truly wanted a fair outcome for what happened would be Paul
Menard. I really don't care how you slice it Reagan Smith broke the
rules plain and simply. You can argue all day long if Tony Stewart
should have been penalized or not because both sides of that argument
would be correct. Paul Menard was the only one who didn't break any
written rules or unwritten rules and should have been the winner that
day. And Paul Menard is really the only driver in the sport I cannot
stand. I am in no way a Menard fan.


  261.   Thomas posted:
  07.07.2018 - 3:24 pm
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Has anyone been penalized for forcing someone under the yellow line? I
don't remember it ever happening. They keep saying that's part of the
rule, but they've never enforced it as far as I can recall.

If drivers were smart they'd put their wheels right against the line and
not go below it even if a car comes down on them and let the
consequences speak for themselves until NASCAR either starts penalizing
drivers who force others under the line or do the right thing and scrap
the rule entirely. Of course, nobody's ever accused NASCAR drivers of
being smart.


  262.   Wot posted:
  07.07.2018 - 3:32 pm
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Ryan Reed was at the earlier Daytona race


  263.   Maverick19 posted:
  07.07.2018 - 4:07 pm
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I'm surprised no one is talking about 230, because he's exactly right,
you can go below the line as long as you don't advance your position.
Therefore, being the leader it should've been a legal move as he was
already in front. Kyle Busch went below the yellow line as the leader at
the end of the 2010 Talladega race, no penalty.

Even when they're consistent they manage to find a way to be inconsistent.


  264.   Maverick19 posted:
  07.07.2018 - 4:08 pm
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^2010 Talladega Truck race.


  265.   Ryan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 4:22 pm
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@263

His team should protest the finish and use that in their argument.

Although it would probably be a waste of time.


  266.   Why? posted:
  07.07.2018 - 4:53 pm
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It wouldn't matter if they protest or not, the results are final, Haley
lost plain and simple.

Also anyone still whining about Regan still after all these years just
make you look so stupid. Even if you are forced down, you can not
improve your position, Regan did, he lost. Get over yourselves.

Dale Jr. doing it in 2003 was totally wrong without a doubt, he should
have lost the race, but ever since then the yellow line rulings have
been right. Regan was in the wrong and now Haley.


  267.   JSPorts posted:
  07.07.2018 - 4:53 pm
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I thought I saw that last night. Watching the replay, you're right, he
was touching the line, but not below until he was already past them.
That makes it even worse.


  268.   joey2448 posted:
  07.07.2018 - 4:59 pm
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Even though they always say drivers cannot "improve their position" by
going below the line, it must not actually be part of the rule, because
we've now seen multiple instances of drivers passing a guy, THEN going
below the line. Denny Hamlin in the 2011 Clash is the clearest example.


  269.   Pancakes posted:
  07.07.2018 - 6:06 pm
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@266

You just proved my point.

2003 when it was Dale Junior they got it wrong by looking the other way.

Since then they have all been right because they have been no name
offenders and NASCAR won't look the other way for them.

Every rule in NASCAR is flexible and how things bend all depends on what
drivers are involved.


  270.   Ryan posted:
  07.07.2018 - 6:12 pm
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@266

You can protest the finish in a timely manner and they will review it
and make a decision on it.

Again, though, it's probably a waste of time


  271.   George Costanza posted:
  07.07.2018 - 6:24 pm
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If Kyle Busch can get away with his 2010 Truck win at Talladega, then I
don't see why Justin Haley shouldn't get his win at Daytona. I saw a
post earlier saying "The pass wasn't complete, so it doesn't count."

At least Haley actually passed both leaders.


  272.   Leo posted:
  07.07.2018 - 7:11 pm
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@250

Exactly this.


  273.   John Lee Pettimore III posted:
  07.07.2018 - 8:14 pm
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250, 272 - Yes it is very ironic. But the fact remains that these are
the rules as of July 7, 2018. Seems to me that the drivers and teams
have a very strong voice as far as rules go. If the drivers/teams don't
like the "Boys Have at It" rule - Dillon's win, or the "Yellow Line"
rule - Larson's win, then they would be lobbying very hard to get these
rules changed. I haven't heard of any drivers or teams asking for these
rules to be changed. Have you?


  274.   possum posted:
  07.08.2018 - 6:37 pm
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@201 - you may be sure NASCAR most certainly does make the rules to
ensure the top teams win, and has done so since the 60's if not earlier.
Basically NASCAR wants parity between their top teams (currently SHR,
Penske, Gibbs, and Hendrick), and they'll change the rules (*) as needed
to favor whichever team is lagging. Of course, the mid-tier teams
(Furniture Row, RCR, etc) also benefit when their brand gets a break.
But to think NASCAR is impartial in rule making is to be a fool.

(* in the past 20-odd years it's usually not an actual rule change, it's
a "technical bulletin" that changes some dimensions, or explains a new
way of interpreting a rule, or something like that. NASCAR doesn't
change rules themselves very often).


  275.   Chillology posted:
  07.08.2018 - 6:48 pm
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Sponsor updates

#55 - Autoality / Swampdaddy Crawfish
#66 - VSI Racing Patriotic


  276.   possum posted:
  07.08.2018 - 6:51 pm
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@261 - it's rare. Several times they've told a guy to give a place back,
and there's been a couple of stop-n-goes I think.

As for the rule itself, it says "if, in NASCAR's judgement, a vehicle
goes below the yellow line to improve it's position, the vehicle will be
black-flagged".

You'll note there's a lot of ambiguity there (altho it may be a bit
subtle for JLP III). If a car goes below the yellow line, but did not
need to do so to make a pass, was the reason for going below the line to
improve position? Or was for "an abundance of caution", as they say? Or
because the driver was looking at his rear-view mirror instead of the
line? It's entirely up to "NASCAR's judgement" according to the rule,
not any defined parameters (and, we all know "judgement" is not one of
NASCAR's strengths).

(BTW - for the nit-pickers - you'll note the rule doesn't actually give
NASCAR the authority to change the winner of the race, it only gives
them the authority to black-flag the violator. Something which, of
course, they can't do on the last lap).


  277.   JSPorts posted:
  07.08.2018 - 7:09 pm
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However, if they black-flag someone on the last lap, that driver
technically didn't serve the penalty, which results in a car not being
scored. If the car isn't scored, then they go down as the last car on
the last lap they completed.


  278.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  07.08.2018 - 8:39 pm
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I though Elliott's reason for not finishing was a power steering problem.


  279.   MSportRev posted:
  07.09.2018 - 5:01 pm
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Status update:

52 - parked
15 - parked

Both drivers/teams ignored the red flag and NASCAR parked them because
they violated the 6-minute repair clock. The 15 could have repaired, 52,
unsure.


  280.   possum posted:
  07.09.2018 - 6:23 pm
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@241 - missed your comment when I was reading yesterday, but you have
hit the nail on the head. NASCAR's enforcement of the yellow line rule
is hypocritcal, and always has been. The rule is susposedly about
safety, and yet when a driver tries to make a safe pass (as did Haley,
giving plenty of room to the other two cars) they get penalized.

Really, the only place on the track the yellow line is needed is the
last half of the backstretch and turn 3. It was drivers trying to make
passes on the apron going into turn 3 (most noteably Jeff Gordon) that
led to the rule in the first place. But NASCAR justifies any sort of
foolishness by yelling "safety!", so here we are.

@277 - you have to be shown the black flag before you can respond to it
(and you actually have 5 laps before they stop scoring). So there's no
way to black flag a driver on the last lap - they'd take the checkers
before they could respond, even if they wanted to. And, of course, it's
all moot, since NASCAR makes up rules as they need them for situations
like that.


  281.   Leo posted:
  07.10.2018 - 8:11 am
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@276 -

Great post and interesting to see the actual wording of the rule. As you
said: extremely vague and wide open for interpretation. The key word I
see in that sentence is 'TO'.

"...below the yellow line 'TO' improve it's position..."

This is different to it saying 'improving your position whilst below the
yellow line=penalty', or 'going below the yellow line whilst improving
position=penalty'.

This opens up the "He didn't need to go below the line" argument,
because Hayley didn't go below the yellow line to improve his position,
he was improving his position and happened to go below the yellow line
while in the process of doing so, which is not the same thing.

Not expecting change or anything, it's just a very interesting subject.
I've long thought that NASCAR was rather inefficient and ambiguous with
it's rules, but I also acknowledge that I'm not part of their target
audience, meaning my thoughts may be of little relevance.


  282.   Anthony posted:
  07.11.2018 - 4:20 am
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Grala avoided wrecks and finished 5th, with a car that was 10 years old.
Only at a plate track could that ever happen.


  283.   JSPorts posted:
  07.11.2018 - 7:54 am
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Plate racing is the great equalizer. There are pictures of Bubba's car
after the race (that he finished top-15 in) and it looks like it belongs
in a junkyard.


  284.   Danish Pie posted:
  07.11.2018 - 8:01 am
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Jermey Clements would like a word. @282


  285.   Anonymous posted:
  07.11.2018 - 8:01 am
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#282 or a road course, last year at road america jeremy clements won in
a car that was 9 years old at the time.


  286.   rm posted:
  07.11.2018 - 10:33 am
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You'd be surprised at how many teams have chassis that are that old - or
even older - that are dedicated to superspeedways, road courses or dirt
tracks. It's usually smaller teams that hold on to good but old pieces
like that but even Matt Crafton's Eldora truck that he won in last year
was using a chassis built in 2001.

As long as you take good care of it and make sure it doesn't fatigue too
much you can keep using it until you break it, basically.


  287.   James posted:
  11.22.2018 - 7:03 pm
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NASCAR, screwing people out of wins since 1959


  288.   Posing Crawdad posted:
  12.16.2018 - 10:32 pm
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128 this isn't the cup series. It's the Xfinity series.


  289.   Danish_Pie posted:
  03.27.2019 - 10:21 am
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Funny looking back on this race realizing how Morgan Shepherd
withdrawing affected the entire outcome of the race.
If the 89 doesn't withdraw, then the 24 of Haley is the car that goes
home. Would have been a totally different finish.


  290.   Anonymous posted:
  04.28.2019 - 10:06 am
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Morgan Shepherd should have not withdrew because if he didn't 24 would
have missed the race would have been a different finish


  291.   ShinyMew151 posted:
  04.28.2019 - 11:55 am
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He most certainly wouldn't have. He would have parked like every other
week while a team that almost won would have gone home


  292.   Yeet posted:
  11.15.2019 - 5:13 pm
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#66 Sponsor: VSI Racing

Based off of NXT Motorsports' Facebook posts, when the 66 has VSI Racing
as the sponsor it is a collaboration between MBM and NXT Motorsports,
which would explain why NXT entered a 54 car at Daytona I and didn't
enter since.


  293.   Anonymous posted:
  02.07.2020 - 3:56 pm
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Justin Haley won this race. Bottom line.


  294.   Sector posted:
  02.07.2020 - 4:13 pm
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#293 However the official result shows he didn't.

Haley made up for it by winning the Cup race at the same weekend event
in 2019 anyway, which holds way more weight no matter if it was rain
shortened or not.


  295.   ShinyMew151 posted:
  02.07.2020 - 4:36 pm
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Justin Haley did not win this race. It's a dumb rule but it is the rule


  296.   Timothy_Eklund posted:
  02.07.2020 - 4:37 pm
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In my opinion he *DID* go below the double yellow line but he was ahead
of the 42, and I believe the rule is you can't *PASS* someone below the
double yellow line, but maybe a pass is defined as being completely
ahead of the other car.


  297.   rm posted:
  03.23.2020 - 5:41 pm
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Kaz Grala and his Fury team garnered a lot of attention for running an
ex-showcar in this event and scoring a top 5, but that's not even the
best example of the practice - nor is it limited to small teams or
underfunded operations. In 2009, Roush took one of their old showcars
and prepped it as David Ragan's car for the three plate races on the
Nationwide schedule that year. Ragan finished in the top ten in all
three outings in the car and even won at Talladega!


  298.   ShinyMew151 posted:
  03.23.2020 - 6:01 pm
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Is it really all that impressive at a plate track though? As long as it
can hold the draft, it will do well


  299.   Timothy_Eklund posted:
  03.23.2020 - 6:23 pm
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Considering he had a flat tire with a few laps to go, yes it is.


  300.   rm posted:
  03.23.2020 - 7:56 pm
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It seems like every year we hear about how important and sensitive the
cars' aerodynamics are at Daytona and Talladega, and every year we wind
up with a couple cars in the top ten that are more tape than sheetmetal
by the end of the race.


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