|| *Comments on the 2009 WinStar World Casino 350:* View the most recent comment <#43> | Post a comment <#post> 1. jr88fan posted: 11.07.2009 - 8:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) what a surprise, Kryle Busch wins... 2. Bronco posted: 11.07.2009 - 10:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 13 starts, 7 wins, only one finish outside the top 10, simply incredible. Next week could be the only weekend in history where the Cup, Nationwide and Truck championships are all clinched a race early. 3. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.07.2009 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle looks so silly out there with the Trucks. He is a full time Cup driver in a top Cup ride, honing his skills every week against people like Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Mark Martin, Kasey Kahne, and Matt Kenseth, then acts like he really did something when he wins a Truck race. And I don't want to hear anything about his "historical run" in all three series. More like a "hysterical run". First of all nobody has ever tried to compete like this in all three series because they are smart enough to realize they will only be remembered for their Cup achievements, so they put all their focus on that (the exceptions are Edwards and Harvick in NWide, and it has cost them on the Cup side). Secondly, the Truck Series didn't even exist until 1995, and they didn't start running a lot of companion races until 2003. And thirdly, quit comparing this winning streak to Richard Patty's and Bobby Allison's 5 in a row streaks. those were in the top series. What Kryle is doing would be like a big league slugger going to Single A baseball, getting a 56 game hitting streak, and comparing themselves to Joe DiMaggio. Total crap. 4. Anonymous posted: 11.07.2009 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch wins his 60th career race in the Cup, Nationwide and Truck series combined. He is now 140 wins away for his goal of winning 200 Cup, Nationwide, Truck series wins combined. His aim shows what an ego he has! I have no problems kyle wanting to have personal goals like winning 200 races in cup, Nationwide, truck series combine as long as it doesn't affect his performance on the cup side. It has affected his performance on the cup side. I think he wants to be a first ballot Nascar hall of fame driver by wanting win 200 races in the top 3 Nascar series combined. The problem is if his Nationwide and truck series career ends up better than his cup career, he will wait for a long time after he retires. I am saying that because Richie Evans won Hundreds of races in Nascar's modified series and he will have a hard time getting into the Nascar Hall of Fame. Ron Hornaday will be facing the same thing as Richie Evans. Ron is the greatest truck series driver ever, but he wasn't good in the cup series. Hall of Fame voters look at Driver's stats in the cup series first. Look Dale Earnhardt Sr. He won 21 races in the Busch series, but he is remembered for cup career and no one brought up his Busch series feats when he was the Nascar Hall of Fame Ballot. 5. Dodge posted: 11.07.2009 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) People bad mouth Kyle. What about in 2006 or so when Mark was dominating in the Truck series. Oh wait, its Mark, he can do whatever he wants including LIE to the fans. "This is my last year driving Cup. I am going to run Fulltime in the truck series. Nah, never mind I want to run 20+ Cup Races a year." I used to like Mark but that turned me away. Fans paid a lot of money to get the special diecast cars. Tracks gave him a retirement gift. 6. jr88fan posted: 11.07.2009 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) so Dodge, you're saying not to bad mouth someone who is twenty-something, but acts like a two year-old??? 7. Dodge posted: 11.07.2009 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not my point. Point is that everyone bad mouths Kyle for running the trucks but Mark ran a few years ago and not a dang word. Mark won quite a few that year in trucks. But, I guess as it seems some Jr. fans think they know everything, not surprising that words are being put where there wasn't. I did not say anything about how he acts. 8. Smokefan05 posted: 11.07.2009 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt came close again. If wasn't low on fuel then he'd give Baby Busch a run for his money. And Kyle Busch shouldn't have been "bump drafting" at Texas. Hello Kyle, the bumpers don't line up. Any harder and you could have wrecked him. But who am i kidding, Ron has wrecked people before. 9. 18fan posted: 11.07.2009 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is like Mark in the Busch Series in the 90s, but nobody cared then. 10. Dodge posted: 11.07.2009 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is like Mark in the Busch Series in the 90s, but nobody cared then Because of who he was. 11. 18fan posted: 11.07.2009 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know, and I didn't care either. It should be the same thing now, but because it's Kyle, it won't. 12. Anonymous posted: 11.07.2009 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've bad mouthed Mark a lot for his Busch/Truck whacking. I've bad mouthed Harvick - one of my favorite Cup drivers for it. It's the only reason I don't like Carl Edwards. Just one of a million why I don't like Kyle. 13. Dodge posted: 11.07.2009 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok, now we are kinda on the same page. 14. Anonymous posted: 11.07.2009 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18 fan and Dodge, There is a big different. Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick and Carl Edwards run full time Nationwide schedules and are champions while they are full time cup drivers. Mark Martin was different from them due to the fact Mark was racing Part time in the Nationwide series as cup regular like Dale Sr, Harry Gant, Darrell Waltrip, Dale Jarrett, Terry Labonte, Morgan Shepherd, Geoff Bodine, Micheal Waltrip, Jimmy Spencer,Joe Nemechek, Bobby Labonte, Ernie Irvan, and Ken Schrader were buschwackers back in the 1980's and 1990's. The difference is they didn't run full time in the Busch series and didn't hurt Busch Series drivers that weren't cup regulars in terms of driver development unlike the cup regulars having been doing since Harvick was forced to do both series back in 2001. 15. Dodge posted: 11.07.2009 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In trucks, Busch isn't running full-time, fool. And not Kyle's fault that people want to sponsor a talent. If only Monster would learn and dump Carmichael if they want to be a sponsor for a NASCAR team. 16. a truck fan posted: 11.07.2009 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The post at 11.07.09 - 5:10 pm was me. Guess I should use an user name when there are other anonymous posts. Cup drivers very rarely raced trucks until Kyle came alone. There were one off deals here and there but that's all. Geoff Bodine drove his own truck for a couple years and then put Tammy Jo Kirk in it. Kyle has this misguided idea that a bunch of Truck wins makes him special. Well just about anyone can come out of Cup and win in trucks due to the extra track time they get. Ricky Craven and Jimmy Spencer, a couple mediocre Cup drivers, came in with one off deals and dominated. They went full-time, truck-only a year later and where pretty much irrelevant. Nothing about Kyle's wins in trucks are impressive to me. 17. 18fan posted: 11.08.2009 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You guys all made good points. 18. Dodge posted: 11.08.2009 - 7:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only difference is that Craven's win in the trucks was when he was a competitor. 19. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.08.2009 - 10:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle has this misguided idea that a bunch of Truck wins makes him special." Exactly. He is just artificially inflating his "NASCAR win total" to hide the fact that Jimmie Johnson flat out kicks his ass. And BTW, this whole "NASCAR combined series total" of any stat is a pile of crap in my opinion. Especially nowadays when most of the Busch and Truck races are companion events. What if Richard Petty, David Pearson, Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison, or any of the others got to race the bulk of races in three different series in superior equipment back in the day? They'd make Kyle look like the scab on their asses that he is. Kyle is just a guy that hasn't grown up. "Hey, look at me, I'm beating up on inferior competition in an economically ravaged series. I'm special, right? Right?" Wrong. 20. Willy on Wheels posted: 11.08.2009 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We're Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols and we are gong to play for the Toledo Mud Hens and our major league teams at the SAME TIME. Between the 2 of us we're gonna reach 150 AAA homers EASY. Does that sound like something they would logically do? 21. Talon64 posted: 11.09.2009 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In Nationwide, Kyle has to beat other Cup guys so although it's wrong it's still credible. Not so much in Trucks when there's few Cup guys who run the Truck races so Kyle's competition are the regulars. At least when nobody else could do anything in Ballew's trucks you could give Kyle some credit but now Almirola is running well and showing that Ballew's got good stuff. At least Kyle races for free in the Trucks. BTW this was Kyle's 16th career Truck win which ties him with Greg Biffle for 7th on the all time wins list. This was Crafton's 6th career 2nd place finish in the Trucks. Still without a win while Johnny Sauter has one in Thorsport's 2nd truck. There's a reason why Crafton has 107 top tens but only 32 top fives in the Trucks, good but not great. Hornaday has matched his 2008 win, top five and top ten totals with two races to go: 6, 14 and 18 respectively. His average finish is 6.5 compared to 10.0 last year which is why Hornaday is going to lock up his record 4th Truck championship at Phoenix. In one of the most checkers or wreckers seasons in a while, Todd Bodine has 10 top fives but only 11 top tens in 23 races this year. 4 drivers are currently fighting for 5th in the standings. Thanks to the merging of the Nationwide and Truck banquets only 5 get to speak on stage from each series so 5th is definitely worth something. Bodine's 3rd has him in 4th in points and looking good to stay there. Colin Braun's 4th place finish has him 5th in points, 41 points ahead of Brian Scott who finished 7th. Johnny Sauter finished 6th and is 56 points back while Timothy Peters finished 19th and is 80 points back. And for some news, it was officially announced today that 2009 ARCA RE/MAX Series champion Justin Lofton will be driving the #7 Red Horse Racing Toyota full time in 2010. 22. Dodge posted: 11.10.2009 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry Cook's last race in the 25. He and the team parted ways effective immediately. Bliss is in for Phoenix. Cook will remain the driver for the Nationwide Series team, MSRP. 23. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.10.2009 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In Nationwide, Kyle has to beat other Cup guys so although it's wrong it's still credible." I disagree. Those JGR Nationwide cars are untouchable. Look at Joey Logano. He has won a ton of NWide races this year in the same stuff Kyle is driving, often times passing Kyle for the win. But in the Cup series, with a two time championship team, he is totally lost out there. If it wasn't for Zippy's great pit strategy calls, he would barely have any Top 25s. The Darlington race (where he had a private tutoring session from Cale Yarborough) and the Fall Charlotte race are the only good races he has run all year. If he were driving the #88 car, I truly believe he would have less wins than Brad Keselowski has right now and a lot less points. 24. Bronco posted: 11.10.2009 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Darlington race (where he had a private tutoring session from Cale Yarborough) and the Fall Charlotte race are the only good races he has run all year." What are you talking about? What about both Talladega races, the August race at Michigan, and the Coke 600? Rollgano earned top 10s in all of those. He also had a good run at Indy in his first trip there, and improved in his second trip to Atlanta, California and Martinsville. He isn't "totally lost", it's just that he isn't doing as well as rookies in the past. "Terry Cook's last race in the 25. He and the team parted ways effective immediately. Bliss is in for Phoenix. Cook will remain the driver for the Nationwide Series team, MSRP." Glad to hear that. Now Terry can stick to doing what he does best - S&P. 25. Talon64 posted: 11.10.2009 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd love to see how Tony Eury Sr. would handle someone like Kyle Busch. lol Rookies and inexperienced drivers have been struggling immensely with the COT the last 3 years. Look at Montoya in his first two years, or Allmendinger, Hornish, Franchitti, Carpentier, Regan Smith, Menard, Speed; most of these guys are very talented drivers but had their fair share of problems. And don't forget that Joey Logano is the youngest Cup rookie EVER so it's even more of a problem for him but he's still done a great job. Here's what I posted about it on Logano's comment board: "I'd look at Joey's performance in the last 25 because the first 8 were so bad, only 1 top 20 finish and an average finish of 29.25. Since then his average finish has been 16.92 with his win, his top fives, his top tens and 17 top 20 finishes." As for JGR's dominance, they have 13 wins between Kyle in the 18 and Joey in the 20 but Roush has 9 wins between 4 drivers: Biffle, Kenseth, Ragan and Edwards and with 3 different teams. So despite all the laps Kyle has led what matters most is the wins and it's close. I mean David Ragan's won a couple Nationwide races this year so the Roush equipment must be good. lol 26. Talon64 posted: 11.10.2009 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Glad to hear that. Now Terry can stick to doing what he does best - S&P." Terry's always been a decent in the Trucks; 6 wins including 4 in one season, 8 poles and top ten in points 5 times in 12 seasons. It's too bad he S&P's in Nationwide. 27. 18fan posted: 11.10.2009 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Heard that Brian Scott is going to run in Nationwide next year and that the trucks that the #16 team ran are being sold to Kyle for his new truck team that will most likely have an alliance with BBM. 28. Talon64 posted: 11.10.2009 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scott's driven 5 races for Braun in the 10 car this year with a best finish of 15th at Phoenix and an average finish of 23.0. He also qualified 8th and finished 14th at Kansas driving the 11 CJM car. Does this mean the 16 team is shutting down after the season's over? selling their trucks sounds like it. 29. Talon64 posted: 11.10.2009 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "shutting down" was the wrong way to put it, reading up on it they'll be selling the whole thing to Kyle Busch so the team will go on just not as Xpress Motorsports. The currently listed team owner is Brian's dad Joe Scott. 30. 18fan posted: 11.11.2009 - 3:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The team will probably stay the same just with ownership by Kyle Busch instead of Joe Scott. 31. Anonymous posted: 11.11.2009 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch is making a mistake by being a truck owner. I thought by him cutting down his Nationwide races, it would help his focus. I found cup drivers that drive full time in the Nationwide series affecting their cup performance at times. If Carl Edwards struggles worse next year, it will be proof that going a full time cup schedule and full time Nationwide schedule is too much for a driver. Cup Drivers owning teams in the Nationwide or the Truck series has hurt cup drivers in performances. Harvick and Dale Jr. are examples of that. It took him Dale almost half a year not to overshoot his pit because of his lack focus. Now Dale is running better, but his pit crew screw up on pit stops or just bad racing luck. Kevin hasn't been as good as his teammates this year at RCR and that is caused by his focus. Kevin even admits to being at KHI about everyday. I think the same thing could happen to Kyle. Picture a cup driver that is not 25 years old yet and acts like a 3 year old brat and will be owning a truck team. That is not a good mix at all. There will leadership problems by the owner and I see Kyle spend more time with his truck team than his cup team like Harvick does. 32. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.12.2009 - 9:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What are you talking about? What about both Talladega races, the August race at Michigan, and the Coke 600? Rollgano earned top 10s in all of those." OK, what about the other 30 races? When you compare him to other rookies that have stepped right into top equipment (JJ, Newman, Harvick, Kenseth, Jr, Kryle Busch, Kahne, Davey Allison) he doesn't even rank. That #20 team is both on a powerhouse team AND experienced. For somebody who is supposed to be the next big thing, it is a pretty inauspicious start. Besides, my point was that the JGR NWide cars are MILES ahead of the competition. 33. Kit posted: 11.12.2009 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh wow, Talon64. You have got to be kidding with this statement: "Rookies and inexperienced drivers have been struggling immensely with the COT the last 3 years. Look at Montoya in his first two years, or Allmendinger, Hornish, Franchitti, Carpentier, Regan Smith, Menard, Speed; most of these guys are very talented drivers but had their fair share of problems." These guys are very talented? You have got to be shitting me. Especially Menard, what the hell has he done to prove that he's very talented? This is the kind of insane statement Bronco would say. 34. Bronco posted: 11.12.2009 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "OK, what about the other 30 races? When you compare him to other rookies that have stepped right into top equipment (JJ, Newman, Harvick, Kenseth, Jr, Kryle Busch, Kahne, Davey Allison) he doesn't even rank. That #20 team is both on a powerhouse team AND experienced. For somebody who is supposed to be the next big thing, it is a pretty inauspicious start." Like I said, he hasn't been kicking ass or anything, but he isn't totally sucking either. Besides all those other rookies you mentioned all had at least a full year of Nationwide behind them before they went to Cup. The CoT supposedly drives a lot different from the Nationwide car, so there is a learning curve. And I like how he has improved at pretty much every track where he's made a 2nd trip. Sure it's not a great start, but nothing says it wont get better. As for being the next big thing - that's the shit the media came up with. The NASCAR media is filled with idiots, so I pay no attention to them. After all, they're the same clowns who rave about JJ possibly making "history". I don't like how he's had things gift wrapped for him his whole life, but that's not his fault either. You're not going to refuse a top notch Cup ride and say "I'll run Nationwide instead". 35. Talon64 posted: 11.12.2009 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "These guys are very talented? You have got to be shitting me. Especially Menard, what the hell has he done to prove that he's very talented?" Most of these guys, so "most" doesn't include Menard and maybe Regan Smith and Speed. Reutimann struggled too but MWR was so bad in their first year that it's impossible to judge. 36. Matt posted: 11.14.2009 - 7:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner of the #31 was Steve Turner. 37. dUDE gUY posted: 12.08.2009 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The first time that Todd Bodine has led a race at Texas that he didn't win. 38. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 07.27.2011 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was the first ever race for Turner Motorsports. A powerhouse Nationwide & Truck team was born on this day. 39. Daniel posted: 05.21.2012 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 36: #02 Andy Ponstein & #65 Lance Hooper Out using fastest 36: #48 Bryan Silas & #57 Norm Benning 40. Anonymous posted: 06.23.2012 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 5th place has got to be the highest starting postion for a start and park driver. I remember hearing David Gilliland's purpose this race was to help Matt Crafton and Johnny Sauter on race setups. 41. CBASS posted: 01.30.2013 - 7:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #51 Miccosukee Resort & Gaming #6 Conway Freight True LTL #10 International Trucks & Engines/ MaxxForce #17 Strutmasters #12 MyTireMonkey.com #15 Is It AK or OK? #07 Tiwi/ Valvoline #13 Fun Sand #14 Circle Bar/ International DuraStar #60 SafeAuto #85 EMI http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-truck/photos/main-gallery/?s=5&y=2009&r=3693 42. 34McDowellFan posted: 11.08.2018 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did David Gilliland start and park the #98 or was it a legitimate issue? 43. cba2442 posted: 11.08.2018 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 42) Yes, they were using that truck as an R&D truck for this race. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: