|| *Comments on the 2010 Mountain Dew 250 Fueled by Fred's:* View the most recent comment <#71> | Post a comment <#post> 1. ams391221 posted: 10.30.2010 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch wins his 6th truck race in 2010 in a finish that tied for the closest NASCAR finish ever with the Sprint Cup 2003 Carolina Dodge Dealers 400. 2. Android posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not sure what the controversy is all about regarding this finish. It was a legit win. Kyle improved his position before he even got near the yellow line. Although, this finish is another example why Nascar should get rid of the yellow line rule. 3. Dodge posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The only reason why Busch was down there was because Aric moved to the left quick so Kyle had to swerve quickly which got him sideways AFTER he passed Almirola. 4. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) it wouldn't be Talladega without some sort of of controversy... 5. 18fan posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This was a great race. Guys like Chris Fontaine and Craig Goess running up front all day, a great run for Jason White, Mike Garvey with a 12th place finish, and, of course, the top three trucks separated by .021 seconds. Kyle Busch's #18 now leads Germain Racing's #30 by 45 points in the owner standngs. Grant Enfinger was having a great run in his Truck debut when he got a little too excited while bump drafting Todd Bodine and wrecked Bodine, Hornaday, Skinner, Schrader, Karthikeyan, and himself with Hornaday ending up on his roof. This race, and other races at Talladega and Daytona, proves what happens when drivers who aren't used to making green flag pit stops on any track attempt to make green flag stops at a restrictor plate track and there are a lot of guys who usually are off the pace that are competitive. Max Papis drove like an idiot today and probably wouldn't have made the finish the way he drove. 6. racer x posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Grant Enfinger caused a major pile up. It was his first NASCAR start! How did they approve him to run here? I dont even think he has 20 arca starts............ 7. potatosalad48 posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) great finish to a great race 8. Greg Gruver posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #6 Only 36 trucks showed up. I could have got in and i'm a old man. lol 9. 18fan posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR must have been impressed with Enfinger's two top fives in two races in ARCA at Talladega. 10. Smokefan05 posted: 10.30.2010 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race reminds me more of 2003 Aarons 499 more than the 2008 fall race. It was a great race but some stupid driving. Oh and to those who say "cars with spoilers will never flip." Yeah well the Trucks don't use a wing and yet Ron went for a ride. Things with spoilers can fly too. 11. New 14&88 posted: 10.30.2010 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a crazy race, thank goodness no one was hurt in the big one especially Ron Hornaday after he ended up on his roof.Hopefully this isn't an oman for how the cup race will go. Don't really see the controversy in the finish, Aric did force Kyle down in a last ditch effort at blocking and Kyle's truck was sideways when he drifted over the yellow line.The only reason Kyle made the move he did was because Johnny Sauter was shoving him forward...if he hadn't he would run Almirola over 12. Bronco posted: 10.30.2010 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Heartbreak for Aric. I was praying that him or Sauter would be able to win it. Chris Fontaine had an amazing run before the final restart dropped him out of it. Ron becomes the first driver to flip a truck at Talladega, after winning the pole and leading half the race. Michael Waltrip's costume in the pre race was awesome. 13. 18fan posted: 10.30.2010 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was extremely disappointed when Fontaine dropped out, since it would've been so cool to see him have a great finish after his amazing run. 14. Mike posted: 10.30.2010 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great finish to another great truck race at Talladega. There wouldn't be a controversy if Aric didn't say what he said, but I applaud him for giving it a shot lol. 15. RLewis9 posted: 10.30.2010 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you think Michael Waltrip couldn't become even more of a joke, he dresses up as a god damn woman in the prerace. 16. petty43 posted: 10.30.2010 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) hey android dont think anybody had posted that there was any controversy about finish. looked good to me 17. petty43 posted: 10.30.2010 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE OWNERS CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE TRUCKS SERIES!!!!!! IF YOU DO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THAT THEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY REEVALUATE THE IMPORTANCE OF YOUR PRIORITIES. TALLADEGA IS FUN BUT REALLY THEY SHOULD JUST NOT EVEN RACE THE FIRST 90 LAPS. 18. Critic posted: 10.31.2010 - 1:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 15: Michael Waltrip has declared that he can win the race tomorrow. I say no man who masquerades as a woman the day before a motor racing event can win it. But if it were to happen, since you can never be sure of anything with Talladega, I will never write another ill word about Waltrip on this site or any other again. Max Papis' speedway driving is incredibly erratic and incoherent, and I believe this is because he has failed to adjust to not having the freedom of movement a road course typically offers. There's no fluidity to his on-track behavior, and he compounds this by having the worst spatial awareness of any competitor in the series, making him incredibly dangerous to be around. He simply darts to the most advantageous line without regard for anyone in close proximity to him, expecting them all to make way like a slower car on a road course would. Since Papis still hasn't mastered the concept of drafting, there is no margin for error in his presence; you have to give him a wide berth, something impossible at Talladega, or it results in disaster. The No. 9 was so out of its depth early on that it was only a matter of time before Papis triggered an accident (Jeffrey Earnhardt) or sorted himself out (as he eventually did, fortunately taking no one else with him). I have nothing against Max, but I think it's time for him to accept that this NASCAR dalliance is not accomplishing anything worthwhile. His talents would be much better served back in Grand-Am or the American Le Mans Series, assuming his prior accomplishments could even merit him a look given their respective lack of competitive depth and he has no interest in the IRL. He's done nothing but supplant Mike Wallace as Geico's personal chauffeur, which at least brings funding to Germain, and is proving a threat to others on almost every oval he attempts. Papis hasn't lost any of his road course acumen yet, as evidenced each year at Montreal; I wish he would concentrate on that rather than persisting under the belief he can be a legitimate NASCAR competitor. If Dario Franchitti was unable to make the transition with a much better organization, even though I suspect his heart wasn't completely in it, I can't see Max Papis being able to. I immediately noticed that Busch had gone below the yellow line before the start-finish line, but after watching the replay it was apparent that he only moved so abruptly down the track because of Almirola's attempt to interrupt his momentum. 19. Billy posted: 10.31.2010 - 3:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR really needs to do something about all the slow trucks that seem to show up at the track week after week. At the big tracks, they really seem to cause problems, and that was witnessed a few times during this race. I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like it is the safest thing when you have trucks in the lead pack making 195 MPH laps and then you see trucks that are 30 MPH off the pace turning laps on the bottom lane of the track. What's even worse is that the slow trucks often don't even realize that the lead pack is approaching and they hold their line and make the pack navigate around them. These rolling chicanes need to either be parked or move to the apron if the pack is coming. 20. The Ost posted: 10.31.2010 - 4:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great race! People with complaints have too much time on their hands. This race was entertaining from start to finish. 21. martin-n-rusty posted: 10.31.2010 - 6:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was what the ruling should of been 2 years back with Regan Smith, and if not for some of the safety issues with the yellow line rule, I would agree with taking the rule away. In fact, with the only grassy areas in Talladega today being the tri-oval, and the turns, I think NASCAR would be fine taking the yellow line rule away from at least Talladega. 22. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.31.2010 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad that Ron is ok. It was cool to see Todd jump out of his truck and run to check on Ron. Kinda reminded me of Earnhardt checking on Rusty here in 1993. Almirola gets screwed again. Once again NASCAR picks and chooses when it will enforce its "rules". So it's ok for the #18 to "swerve below the line to keep from wrecking himself", but Regan Smith can't go below it to keep from wrecking Stewart? NASCAR has nobody to blame but themselves for the rut they are in. When they decide to conduct themselves like a professional sport, then they will be followed and respected as a real sport. 23. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.31.2010 - 10:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yes, Max Papis drove a really bad race. It happens. But what made me angry was the way Mikey kept trying to play it down while blasting the enitre field for racing so hard saying shit like "they can possibly keep this up" "they don't even know how to pit" and other crap. He is so biased and his commentary sucks. He is a complete joke and a tool. 24. Anonymous posted: 10.31.2010 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smith was penalised because he went under the line while barely alongside Stewart, and then proceeded to complete the pass down there. Busch had nosed ahead of Aric BEFORE his truck even touched the yellow line. you can go under the yellow line all you want, you simply can't advance your position while down there. Busch already had the position. he didn't break any rule and there's no reason for a penalty. it's pretty black-and-white if you ask me. 25. petty43 posted: 10.31.2010 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) really looking forward to cup race after that finish yesterday. 26. RaceFanX posted: 10.31.2010 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chris Fontaine's Toyota truck in this race was the same one that, after being built as a Dodge by BHR, won truck races at Daytona with Robert Pressley and Bobby Hamiliton at the wheel. 27. CFob posted: 10.31.2010 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I realized today just how painfully annoying the Speed TV crew is. I actually had to turn off the prerace show 10 minutes in, and had the race on mute until there was about 10 to go. Was nice to see Chris Fontaine towards the front, and the finish was amazing, overall I enjoyed the actual race. 28. 18fan posted: 10.31.2010 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, Robin Pemberton's official explanation was that what caused the #18 truck to go below the yellow line was the door-to-door contact. It was too close to call for me, so I don't want to lean either way. 29. ii posted: 10.31.2010 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeffrey Earnhardt can't drive a wheelbarrow. I know he's young, but he's been involved in crashes all 4 races. At least when he races there's going to be a good wreck :) 30. awesomegordonfan posted: 10.31.2010 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeffrey Earnhardt can't drive himself, for all I know! LOL It was door-to-door contact, DSFF, it was very obvious. 31. martin-n-rusty posted: 10.31.2010 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Post 24, as much as Regan Smith had gotten screwed two years ago, two wrongs do not make a right. Are you saying that because the rules were not correctly enforced one time, means that the rules should not be correctly enforced ALL the time? 32. Smokefan05 posted: 10.31.2010 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Post 24, as much as Regan Smith had gotten screwed two years ago, two wrongs do not make a right. Are you saying that because the rules were not correctly enforced one time, means that the rules should not be correctly enforced ALL the time?" There is a difference between what happened to Regan and what happened to Kyle. Kyle was already along side Aric when Aric got into him. Regan wasn't even close to being along side Tony when he "evaded" Tony. But everyone knows my opinion has to what should have happened and who should have won that race. 33. martin-n-rusty posted: 10.31.2010 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That is true Smokefan, but I was also trying to throw some logic into the argument on why people think that if the rules were not followed once, legitimately or otherwise, that now the rules for a certain action should not be followed ever. 34. 00andJoe posted: 10.31.2010 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #21 - The trouble is that the Yellow Line Rule, as I understand it, is there pretty much so that somebody won't cut below the line to pass - then abruptly swerve back up into traffic at the next turn. Now, I do think that, at least from turn 4 to the stripe at Talladega on the last lap, there should be No Out Of Bounds... #22 - I watched the replay. Kyle, by the time he went below the yellow line, was already going sideways. Nothing gray or inconsistent here. 35. shmonko posted: 10.31.2010 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Almirola gets screwed again. Once again NASCAR picks and chooses when it will enforce its "rules". So it's ok for the #18 to "swerve below the line to keep from wrecking himself", but Regan Smith can't go below it to keep from wrecking Stewart? NASCAR has nobody to blame but themselves for the rut they are in. When they decide to conduct themselves like a professional sport, then they will be followed and respected as a real sport. " Anyone else think it's hilarious when DSFF comments on a race he clearly didn't watch, but acts like an expert about?. I do. Because either he didn't watch, he's a moron, or he's legally blind. Probably a bit of all three. This is the furthest thing from a controversial finish. It in no way compares to Regan Smith's incident. And you DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Does anyone have any respect at all for DSFF around here? I mean how can you when he just ignores facts constantly? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, BUSCH WON! I loooooove that it makes you so pissed off that you can't see straight. Seriously, look up a replay, get your eyesight checked, or get some professional help. 36. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.31.2010 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Usually if NASCAR screws up, I am one of the first to complain about it. But this time, I don't see where they made the wrong call. Also keep in mind that I love Aric Almirola to death while I don't like Kyle Busch. But I watched the footage of the finish on YouTube and paused it right before Kyle started heading down towards the line, and it looked to me like Kyle had already nosed ahead of Aric either before or right when he got sideways. I don't think Aric got screwed out of a win. It was very cool of Todd Bodine to run over and check on Ron after his flip. I'm not a fan of Todd's by any means, but he earned some respect points with me this week. This weekend has to be the best weekend of the year in terms of close finishes. This race had a 0.002 margin of victory, and the Cup finish was another side-by-side duel. 37. Anonymous posted: 10.31.2010 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, Jefferey Earnhardt cant drive a wheelbarrow, Ive raced agianst him on Iracing and ive had a couple of run-ins with Jefferey (which were his fault) and then proceeds to blame everyone but himself. He also seems to talk down to everyone because he is a big shot racer with the last name of Earnhardt 38. Anonymous posted: 10.31.2010 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fact that DaleSrFanForever is basically alone in criticizing NASCAR's call in this race says everything you need to know about him and how much he actually knows about racing. It was a correct call, and even the most diehard of Busch-haters can acknowledge it, but there DSFF is, acting smug, childish, and petty as usual. I don't see how ANYONE can say that Busch didn't win that race, but then again, I've been on this site long enough to know DaleSrFanForever is giant tool. 39. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.31.2010 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree its a dumb rule. If it were up to me there would be no yellow line rule. It has caused more wrecks than it has prevented. I think Regan should be the winner of the '08 Cup race, and Kyle the winner fo this one. But in my opinion, NASCAR made their bed in '08, and I think Aric was protecting the top more than the bottom as a result. I just want consistency. 40. Schwab posted: 11.01.2010 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Craig Goess gets a top 10 in his Camping World Truck Series debut. Grant Enfinger and Dominick Casola also made their NCWTS debuts in this race. The 12th place finish is a career best for Mike Garvey. This was also the first race this season that Mike did not do a start and park. 41. Schwab posted: 11.01.2010 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As far as the finish of the race goes, it reminded me of the Cup race in April with Harvick & McMurray. The only difference was that McMurray didn't try to force Harvick below the line like Almirola might have tried to do. I won't say Almirola did because his truck still looked loose from Busch's bump when he moved down and hit Busch. 42. Talon64 posted: 11.01.2010 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch picks up his 22nd career Truck Series win and series-leading 6th of the season. Kyle is 6 wins back of a tie for 2nd between Mike Skinner and Jack Sprague. Aric Almirola finishes 2nd for the 4th time in his career, 3 of them to Kyle Busch. Matt Crafton extends his top 10 streak to 13 races. Ricky Carmichael records his 10th career top ten in 40 Truck starts; it's his career-best 3rd straight top ten finish and 2nd top five in the last 5 races. James Buescher has his 2nd top ten in 3 restrictor plate starts between Nationwide and Trucks this season. Timothy Peters hasn't had a top five finish in the last 7 races; he's also had a 9 race drought this season. Austin Dillon was the highest finishing rookie in the race, finishing 8th for his first RP top ten after wrecking just 2 laps into his first RP start at Daytona to start the season. Jason White has back-to-back top tens for just the 2nd time in his career. 2010 ARCA championship runner-up and 2011 Truck ROTY contender Craig Goess finishes 10th in his Truck Series debut. 43. awesomegordonfan posted: 11.01.2010 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, at least someone agrees with me that the Cup race was supposed to be close... 44. Pacerdog posted: 11.01.2010 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I just want consistency." No you don't. You just want the guy you like better to win, regardless of the rules, or common sense. 45. Talon64 posted: 11.02.2010 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I just want consistency." Same here. Between Dale Jr. at Talladega in 2003, to Johnny Benson in the Truck Daytona race in 2007, to Tony/Regan in 2008 to this case, there's been different calls each time. NASCAR's subjectivity has ruined the yellow line rule almost beyond repair. It either needs to be black and white, you don't go below the yellow line EVER, or just don't have it at all. But if it's black and white and you took away the win from Kyle in this case, then that would open the door for everyone to try and force the guy they're racing to the checkers below the line and create chaos that way. So I'd lean to getting rid of it. 46. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2010 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No you don't. You just want the guy you like better to win, regardless of the rules, or common sense." Earlier I said this: "I think Regan should be the winner of the '08 Cup race, and Kyle the winner fo this one." I like Aric and I can't stand Kryle, and have taken great pleasure watching him crumble under pressure, in case you haven't noticed from my posts. So there goes that theory right out the window. I don't like Kyle or Tony. But in my opinion, it should be one of two things: Either Regan won the Cup race in '08 and Kyle won this one, or Aric won this won and Tony won the Cup race in '08. "NASCAR's subjectivity has ruined the yellow line rule almost beyond repair. It either needs to be black and white, you don't go below the yellow line EVER, or just don't have it at all. But if it's black and white and you took away the win from Kyle in this case, then that would open the door for everyone to try and force the guy they're racing to the checkers below the line and create chaos that way. So I'd lean to getting rid of it." Amen. What is the worst that can happen if they get rid of the yellow line rule at the plate tracks? They have gig wrecks in every race and at least one car goes ariborne? THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING!!! So get rid of it. It's just another way for NASCAR to manipulate the races. 47. Smokefan05 posted: 11.02.2010 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Same here. Between Dale Jr. at Talladega in 2003, to Johnny Benson in the Truck Daytona race in 2007, to Tony/Regan in 2008 to this case, there's been different calls each time." Junebug was already along side Matt, JB didn't win the race (as much as people say he did), and Tony and Regan both hosed each other. So as far as i see it, yellow line rule works you just need to the fans and drivers to understand it. Cuz appearently, fans and Regan Smith don't. Kyle wins this race and Paul Menard wins the 2008 Amp Energy 500. End of story. "It's just another way for NASCAR to manipulate the races." If you think that then go watch something else. Seriously. There is BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG difference between Kyle and Regan. Kyle got hit and tryied to save it. If he doesn't correct it he wrecks and Aric wins anyway. Kyle was hit by Aric and was saving it. Regan completely down below the line because he was "avoiding" Tony. Kyle wasn't even close to going completely below the yellow line. Kyle had 2 tires on it, that isn't below it. Afterwords yes he was, but at the line he had 2 tires on it. 48. Pacerdog posted: 11.03.2010 - 1:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What is the worst that can happen if they get rid of the yellow line rule at the plate tracks? They have gig wrecks in every race and at least one car goes ariborne? THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING!!! So get rid of it. It's just another way for NASCAR to manipulate the races." Oh man that's beautiful. An Earnhardt Sr fan complaining about NASCAR manipulating races. That is the most amazing and hilariously ironic thing I've heard in awhile. I agree with the guy who said you should just stop watching NASCAR if this call bothers you that much. The sport doesn't need over the hill dinosaurs like you, and normal fans living in the modern age get tired of the sport pandering to fans like you anyway. NASCAR made the correct call with Regan and Tony, and they made the right call here, according to the rules. It was consistent with everything that has been written and said about the rule. I don't know what else to say except read up on the rules or just stop watching the races. 49. Smokefan05 posted: 11.03.2010 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh man that's beautiful. An Earnhardt Sr fan complaining about NASCAR manipulating races. That is the most amazing and hilariously ironic thing I've heard in awhile." I wouldn't say that, NASCAR has busted Dale for well "over agressive" stuff on track. I clearly remember NASCAR penalizing him for rough driving a time or two. "I agree with the guy who said you should just stop watching NASCAR if this call bothers you that much. The sport doesn't need over the hill dinosaurs like you, and normal fans living in the modern age get tired of the sport pandering to fans like you anyway." Well i wouldn't go that far. Or maybe i will. :P *some* NASCAR can't except reality, NASCAR is what it is and that isn't changing. "NASCAR made the correct call with Regan and Tony" No they didn't. ;) 50. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2010 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wouldn't say that, NASCAR has busted Dale for well "over agressive" stuff on track." In the 1993 Coke 600, NASCAR gave Dale a huge bullshit rough driving penalty for spinning Greg Sacks when I don't think he even touched him. It was a one lap penalty with just 50 laps to go. Dale made the lap up, passed everyone, and won the race. This was the first Coke 600 to run inder the day into night format. When Dale was asked what he thought about that he said "they can start 'em anytime they want, I'll finish 'em". Classic. Another funny thing: this was the biggest NASCAT bullshit call until the '96 Coke 600 when NASCAR penalized Kyle Petty FIVE LAPS for starting a multi car crash when the car he hit was already sideways when he tapped him (I think it was Musgrave, but I could be wrong). Felix Sabates (Kyle's owner at the time) went apeshit (rightfully so) and the next week at Dover, he had the car painted black and silver, like Dale's car, in protest of what he felt was favorable treatment. I guess he didn't remember 3 years earlier. It wasn't favorable treatment, it was just a stupid ass call. 51. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2010 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I agree with the guy who said you should just stop watching NASCAR if this call bothers you that much. The sport doesn't need over the hill dinosaurs like you, and normal fans living in the modern age get tired of the sport pandering to fans like you anyway." Lol, one week I get called a 12 year old who must have no knowledge of NASCAR's history, the next I'm an over the hill dinosaur. And as for you, Mr. Modern Age, I complain because I remember when NASCAR was an actual sport, no a bad reality show. I remember when NASCAR drivers were people you could relate to, even those not from the South like Rusty Wallace, Ernie Irvan, and Dick Trickle. They weren't spoiled brats. And "normal fans living in the modern age" are the ones who have quit watching NASCAR. People like me are the backbone of this sport's fanbase. "I don't know what else to say except read up on the rules or just stop watching the races." The rule says something to the effect of "You cannot advance your position while going under the yellow line unless forced down there". But you are apparently the expert, so maybe you can enlighten me. In both cases, the driver underneath was forced below. But the calls were different. Explain that one to me Expert. "It was consistent with everything that has been written and said about the rule." You're joking, right? 52. Shmonko posted: 11.03.2010 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And as for you, Mr. Modern Age, I complain because I remember when NASCAR was an actual sport, no a bad reality show." Oh yeah, someone in their mid-20's must be a real expert on the 'good ole days' of NASCAR. Talk about being a stuck up know-it-all. But then again this IS DaleSrFanForever we're talking about here. Hey guess what, if you think NASCAR has turned into a bad reality show, why are you still watching? Why are you all over these boards, every week, running your mouth about what you perceive (because you're so constantly wrong) to happen in all these races? That's what I want to know. You hate all the drivers these days? So find something else to do, besides complain. No one is forcing you to watch NASCAR. "And "normal fans living in the modern age" are the ones who have quit watching NASCAR." Uh, no. They are the ones who do watch. They are the ones who continue to buy tickets. They are the one trying to push the sport out of this whiny anti-progress southern cesspool that fans like you want to keep the sport drowning in. The truth is once again the exact opposite of what you say. "People like me are the backbone of this sport's fanbase." No you aren't! Because you're the ones who can't stand the Chase, who can't stand drivers who don't chew tobacco, get into fistfights, or speak with a drawl, who can't handle rules changes in favor of safety, who can't handle the fact that the drivers don't drive off-the-line stock vehicles, who can't stand foreign manufacturers or drivers invading the sport, and most importantly, you're the type of fan that STOPPED buying tickets! For all the reasons you constantly whine about here EVERY WEEK. Waaaah, Jimmie Johnson is gonna win another championship. Waaaaah, Busch, Hamlin, Harvick and Stewart are unlikable immature brats. Waaaah, Toyota is making money in NASCAR. Waaaah, Dale Jr. sucks. Waaaaah, the races are fixed. Jesus christ dude, get a life or get a clue. You are the problem with the sport of NASCAR, and the sooner that they can finally detach themselves from cancerous fans like who feel their only job is to complain about the "old days" when drivers were soooooo different (yeah right), the better off and healthier the sport will be. There will come a time when they realize they cannot please the fans who want a legitimate sport operating in the 21st century, and the fans stuck in 1986 or whatever fantasy era that was so much better, and NASCAR will be much much MUCH better for it. 53. Pacerdog posted: 11.03.2010 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""It was consistent with everything that has been written and said about the rule." You're joking, right? " What don't you understand? It's all on video. I mean, I'm no kindergarten teacher, I don't know how to dumb every little piece of information down so any rube in North Carolina can understand it. 54. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2010 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh yeah, someone in their mid-20's must be a real expert on the 'good ole days' of NASCAR." Seeing as how I grew up watching real drivers like Dale, Rusty, Bill, Darrell, Terry, Mark, Davey, and Ernie fighting it out on tracks that produced great racing like North Wilkesboro, Rockingham, Darlington, Old Atlanta, Old Bristol, Pre Levigation Charlotte, and Sonoma with the Carosel, yes, I consider myself knowledgeable on a first hand basis of TRUE racing. I was a little kid watching this and completely transfixed on what I was seeing. NASCAR became a part of me. And now it bores the hell out of me. "Hey guess what, if you think NASCAR has turned into a bad reality show, why are you still watching?" Because I'm not gonna give up on something I love. I keep hoping NASCAR will realize their mistakes and we can have a SPORT again. I'm not a bandwagon fan. I am a NASCAR fan through good times and bad. And I am very irritated with what the suits in Daytona have done to this. There was no reason to stray from what worked. And it can happen. About a month ago, I went back to North Wilkesboro for the first time in 15 years to watch racing. I thought that track was finished, but there I was, sitting there, at the track that looked almost exactly like it did the last time I was there. And they put on a great show. Sure, I didn't know any of the drivers racing there (except in the modified race which was mostly drivers from Bowman Gray, my local short track), but it was great to see somewhat of a past relived, one that never should have gone away. "You hate all the drivers these days? So find something else to do, besides complain. No one is forcing you to watch NASCAR." And nobody is forcing you to read my posts. If I'm so ridiculous, why do YOU care about me? Why are YOU complaining about me? For the same reasons I come here and complain about the current state of NASCAR. You feel these boards would be much better without me. I feel NASCAR would be much better if the suits pulled their heads out of their asses. You and I are apparently a lot alike. "Uh, no. They are the ones who do watch. They are the ones who continue to buy tickets. They are the one trying to push the sport out of this whiny anti-progress southern cesspool that fans like you want to keep the sport drowning in." The ratings and attendance figures say differently. Fontana. Nuff said. The loyal fans like me (not just southerners) are the ones sticking it out. The bandwagoners have long since gone on to the new flavor of the month. "Because you're the ones who can't stand the Chase" Judging by the ratings, neither can anyone else. "who can't stand drivers who don't chew tobacco, get into fistfights, or speak with a drawl" Re-read post #51, Mr. I'm So Much Smarter Than You Ignorant Illiterate Southerners. Apparently reading isn't your strong suit either. I don't like Denny Hamlin, a Southerner. I don't like June, a Southerner. I like Brad K, a Midwesterner from Michigan. I like Matt Kenseth, a Midwesterner from Wisconsin. I like Kasey Kahne, he's from the opposite end of the country than me. I like Martin Truex, a Northerner from New Jersey. I want to see Aric Almirola get a good shot in the big times, and he is Cuban. I liked Ernie Irvan when he was racing, and he's from the deserts of California. "who can't handle the fact that the drivers don't drive off-the-line stock vehicles, who can't stand foreign manufacturers or drivers invading the sport" The cars quit being stock in the mid 60s when NASCAR forced them to run smaller engines than the ones on the street and outlawed the stock Hemi. I am well aware of that. And I have stated numerous times I have no issue with Toyota. "and most importantly, you're the type of fan that STOPPED buying tickets!" Again, attendance is down across the board. That was the pot calling the kettle black. And we stopped buying tickets cause we can't afford them anymore. Our disposable income is way down. "Waaaah, Jimmie Johnson is gonna win another championship. Waaaaah, Busch, Hamlin, Harvick and Stewart are unlikable immature brats. Waaaah, Toyota is making money in NASCAR. Waaaah, Dale Jr. sucks. Waaaaah, the races are fixed." Waaaah, DSFF is complaining about this. Waaaah, DSFF is complaining about that. Waaaah, the sport would be so much better without fans like him. Waaaah, DSFF thinks he knows everything. Again, I complain about NASCAR for the same reasons you complain about me. Hypocrite. "Waaaah, Jimmie Johnson is gonna win another championship." Considering the two drivers chasing him, JJ is the lesser of three evils. "Jesus christ dude, get a life or get a clue." I will when you do. "You are the problem with the sport of NASCAR, and the sooner that they can finally detach themselves from cancerous fans like who feel their only job is to complain about the "old days" when drivers were soooooo different (yeah right), the better off and healthier the sport will be." You are the problem with this website. The sooner people like you quit complaining about others posting their opinions and venting their frustrations and quit complaing about actual DISCUSSION, the better off and healthier these boards will be. You are pre-occupied with me the way I am pre-occupied with NASCAR's stupid ass "modern" rules. "There will come a time when they realize they cannot please the fans who want a legitimate sport operating in the 21st century, and the fans stuck in 1986 or whatever fantasy era that was so much better, and NASCAR will be much much MUCH better for it." Until NASCAR starts getting better support from people that aren't hardcore stock racing fans, that day you are dreaming of is WAY off in the future. 55. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2010 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What don't you understand?" I don't understand this sequence of yellow line events: 2003 Daytona 500: Sterling gets underneath a car that tries to block after it's too late, Sterling goes under the yellow line to avoid a hure crash, and is penalized for it. Talladega 2 months later: Pretty much the exact same sequence happens with June and Kenseth. Kenseth throws a late block, June dips under the line to avoid a crash, and isn't penalized. 2008 Daytona Truck race: Johnny Benson goes below the yellow line to gain 2nd position on the last lap coming to the checkers and isn't penalized. Afterwards a high ranking NASCAR official (I forgot who it was, possibly Darby, but I'm not sure) says something to the effect of "when you are coming to the checkers, all bets are off" when explaining why Benson wasn't penalized. 2008 Talladega 6 months later: Regan Smith gets under Tony, Tony throws a block forcing Regan below the line, and Regan is penalized. 2010 Talladega Truck race: Kyle is forced under the yellow line after Aric throws a block, and isn't penalized. THAT is what I don't understand. Explain all that to me. "I don't know how to dumb every little piece of information down so any rube in North Carolina can understand it." Apparently not, seeing as how you haven't even tried. 56. Smokefan05 posted: 11.04.2010 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Afterwards a high ranking NASCAR official (I forgot who it was, possibly Darby, but I'm not sure) says something to the effect of "when you are coming to the checkers, all bets are off" when explaining why Benson wasn't penalized." A spokesmen for NASCAR said that. But i have my opinion and what or who ever said that isn't changing my mind what happened in 2008. 57. Talon64 posted: 11.04.2010 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A spokesmen for NASCAR said that. But i have my opinion and what or who ever said that isn't changing my mind what happened in 2008." Tony Stewart's my favorite driver by far but I think Regan Smith should've won that race based on the precedence set by all the examples DSFF posted. If NASCAR can't be consistent with the rule then they should just get rid of it, ridding themselves of at least one of the many points of controversy they keep bringing on themselves. 58. 18fan posted: 11.04.2010 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In the 2003 Jr. incident, he passed Jimmie Johnson below the yellow line. Plain and simple. Everybody makes the big deal out of the pass Jr. made on Kenseth, yet forgets that Jimmie was ahead of Matt and was illegally passed by Jr. 59. Shmonko posted: 11.04.2010 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seeing as how I grew up watching real drivers like Dale, Rusty, Bill, Darrell, Terry, Mark, Davey, and Ernie fighting it out on tracks that produced great racing like North Wilkesboro, Rockingham, Darlington, Old Atlanta, Old Bristol, Pre Levigation Charlotte, and Sonoma with the Carosel, yes, I consider myself knowledgeable on a first hand basis of TRUE racing. I was a little kid watching this and completely transfixed on what I was seeing. NASCAR became a part of me. And now it bores the hell out of me." Wow, someone who romanticizes their youth to the point it obscures facts, that is totally original. "Because I'm not gonna give up on something I love. I keep hoping NASCAR will realize their mistakes and we can have a SPORT again." You have a strange definition of sport. Kinda hard for NASCAR to keep hitting those moving goalposts. "And nobody is forcing you to read my posts. If I'm so ridiculous, why do YOU care about me?" Because you're the type of moron who thinks his opinions and views are better informed and above everyone else's. You're so up on a high horse I'm surprised you can even get an internet connection. "The ratings and attendance figures say differently. Fontana. Nuff said. The loyal fans like me (not just southerners) are the ones sticking it out. The bandwagoners have long since gone on to the new flavor of the month." Hey guys, apparently because NASCAR was really popular for about 10 years, that's the it always was and always has to be! "Re-read post #51, Mr. I'm So Much Smarter Than You Ignorant Illiterate Southerners. Apparently reading isn't your strong suit either. I don't like Denny Hamlin, a Southerner. I don't like June, a Southerner. I like Brad K, a Midwesterner from Michigan. I like Matt Kenseth, a Midwesterner from Wisconsin. I like Kasey Kahne, he's from the opposite end of the country than me. I like Martin Truex, a Northerner from New Jersey." I can't believe you named off a bunch of interesting and talented drivers from 20 years ago and then say you like some of the most boring, dull corporate personalities in the sport today. Either you're remembering your "good ole days" wrong or you don't know what you want out of the sport. Stewart, Busch, Hamlin, and Harvick share a hell of a lot more in common with Dale, Rusty, Ernie, and Darrell than those drivers you named. And if you disagree, well who am I kidding you will, you're once again nothing more than a biased tool. "And I have stated numerous times I have no issue with Toyota." Well that's just BS. Move along, everybody. "And we stopped buying tickets cause we can't afford them anymore. Our disposable income is way down." So sell more moonshine, or meth, or whatever it is you do. Stop buying pay-per-view wrestling. Stop buying confederate flag bumper stickers. If racing is that important, you could find a way to pay for it. "Again, I complain about NASCAR for the same reasons you complain about me. Hypocrite." Because you think NASCAR is a biased, hack, tool, dumbs**t stinking up what used to be a fun message board? That doesn't even make sense. I don't think you even know what you're complaining about anymore. "I will when you do." Haha, so he admits it! He doesn't have a clue! That. Is. Awesome. +1 for me. "You are the problem with this website." I'd rather be the problem with a small website, than a major pain the arse for an entire national professional sport like you. "Until NASCAR starts getting better support from people that aren't hardcore stock racing fans, that day you are dreaming of is WAY off in the future. " No it isn't. Like I said, they just need to remove cancers like you who are trying to keep the sport stuck in some overly romanticized time from 20 years ago. They need to keep focusing on progress and forgot about the opinions of whiny anti-progress southerners. I hope the sport keeps moving in the direction it's heading. Maybe finally you'll stop paying attention and I can watch a race without listening to some twangy stupid guitar riff before commercial breaks, or see needlessly overt displays of patriotism, or listen to some dumb southern analyst who can barely speak english interview the drivers (Hermie Sadler), or put up with commercials pandering to rednecks, or... well you get the picture. 60. Smokefan05 posted: 11.04.2010 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In the 2003 Jr. incident, he passed Jimmie Johnson below the yellow line. Plain and simple. Everybody makes the big deal out of the pass Jr. made on Kenseth, yet forgets that Jimmie was ahead of Matt and was illegally passed by Jr." You know, i've seen the reply countless times and that is the first time someone has brought that up. +1 to you. 61. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2010 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, someone who romanticizes their youth to the point it obscures facts, that is totally original." Waiting for you to make a point instead of simply insulting me. "You have a strange definition of sport. Kinda hard for NASCAR to keep hitting those moving goalposts." What are these precieved "goalposts"? Still waiting for a discussion point. "Because you're the type of moron who thinks his opinions and views are better informed and above everyone else's. You're so up on a high horse I'm surprised you can even get an internet connection." Still waiting. When did I say any of that. I enjoy DISCUSSION. I give my opinions, somebody gives their's, and we go from there. You rarely discuss anything, you just use generic insults and say I'm really stupid but never say why. I back my points up. "I can't believe you named off a bunch of interesting and talented drivers from 20 years ago and then say you like some of the most boring, dull corporate personalities in the sport today. Either you're remembering your "good ole days" wrong or you don't know what you want out of the sport." Because there is a difference between "interesting" and "being a jerk". Today's drivers with "personality" cross that line. "Well that's just BS. Move along, everybody." Is it? How so? Again, just vague sentences with nothing backing it up. Of course you want everyone to move along, lest they research your claim and realize it is wrong. "So sell more moonshine, or meth, or whatever it is you do. Stop buying pay-per-view wrestling. Stop buying confederate flag bumper stickers. If racing is that important, you could find a way to pay for it." More generic insults. I don't sell anything, I'm back in school learning how to save lives. I've never bought a wrestling pay per view, or a confederate flag bumper sticker (besides, I imagine those are pretty cheap). And where am I supposed to get this money to pay for it? You might want to start thinking your posts out before typing them out in the future. "Because you think NASCAR is a biased, hack, tool, dumbs**t stinking up what used to be a fun message board? That doesn't even make sense. I don't think you even know what you're complaining about anymore." I'm complaining about some of NASCAR's modern policies, you are complaining about me. I care enough about NASCAR to complain when I feel they are moving in the wrong direction, just as you feel the need to complain about me because you care. What's so hard to follow about that? "Haha, so he admits it! He doesn't have a clue! That. Is. Awesome. +1 for me." Uh, I hate to break it to you, but you also admitted it by that response. So it may be +1 for you, but it is also +1 for me. "I'd rather be the problem with a small website, than a major pain the arse for an entire national professional sport like you." See, there is the flaw in your logic right there. If this is a "national professional sport", then why can one person, or one group of people be a pain in its ass? If everything is going so great, how can we be such a hinderance to the sport and "modern" fans such as yourself? If we are just "moonshine selling morons" then how can we affect a powerful national sport? "No it isn't. Like I said, they just need to remove cancers like you who are trying to keep the sport stuck in some overly romanticized time from 20 years ago." Yeah, because all change is good change. If something worked great 20 years ago, why not just change it upside down? And again, if it is so powerful, how can we be cancerous to it? Shouldn't they be able to just shake us off? Shouldn't the Fontana experiment have been a huge success rather than an embarrassment? Shouldn't North Wilkesboro have been bulldozed by now? Shouldn't the Boston Red Sox and Green Bay Packers ditch their old stadiums (Fenway and Lambeau respectively) and replace them with these ultra modern but soulless stadiums like the New Cowboys Stadium? "They need to keep focusing on progress and forgot about the opinions of whiny anti-progress southerners." Seeing as how their progress has come to a grinding halt, that isn't a good idea. For a long time, they totally ignored our opinions and gutted tradition. Now it is biting them in the ass. Karma really must suck. "I hope the sport keeps moving in the direction it's heading. Maybe finally you'll stop paying attention and I can watch a race without listening to some twangy stupid guitar riff before commercial breaks, or see needlessly overt displays of patriotism, or listen to some dumb southern analyst who can barely speak english interview the drivers (Hermie Sadler), or put up with commercials pandering to rednecks, or... well you get the picture." Good luck with all that. And BTW, why do you think NASCAR does all that? Could it be because that is NASCAR's core audience? the point I've been trying to make is that things happen for a reason. NASCAR has tried its damndest to do everything you want. But it isn't taking. The fact is the heart and soul of NASCAR is its hardcore fans, who are blue collar, salt of the Earth people from all corners of the US and Canada. We are small town folks, very traditional. When we get into a routine we like, we don't change it just for the hell of it. So you are gonna be bitterly disappointed with NASCAR's future. Sorry. Not really. 62. Jackdaniels posted: 11.04.2010 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seeing as how their progress has come to a grinding halt, that isn't a good idea. For a long time, they totally ignored our opinions and gutted tradition. Now it is biting them in the ass. Karma really must suck." You are surprisingly bitter about this sport that you still support on a weekly basis, apparently for however many times they put on a race. What you don't seem to realize, you're going to need to STOP supporting it altogether if you want it to move in a different direction. How are they supposed to know you're dissatisfied when you watch every friggin' race? That's the delusional thought process of a crazy person, you realize that, right? 63. Kit posted: 11.05.2010 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What you don't seem to realize, you're going to need to STOP supporting it altogether if you want it to move in a different direction." NASCAR isn't going to notice one guy not watching. They will notice once a lot of people stop watching. It's always the bottom line they notice. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that the sport is going downhill; it just shows how the sport was once great. Hell, the truck series has been in a steady decline since around '08 after Johnny Benson Jr. won the championship, but that's more because of the economy than anything. 64. awesomegordonfan posted: 11.13.2010 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, Johnson will not win another championship, and you do whine so much that it bugs the crap out of everyone 65. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 04.25.2014 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew 01 Larry Foyt Doug Hanson Daisy Ramirez Chevrolet NASCAR announced that the #01-DRM Chevrolet with driver Larry Foyt did not pass pre-race inspection and will not qualify 66. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 05.25.2016 - 10:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Update #46 Eddie Sharp (Same for the last 3 races) ESR purchased the assets of Team Gill Racing http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Eddie-Sharp-Racing--Team-Gill-Racing-Partner-for-Remainder-of-2010-NASCAR-Camping-World-Truck-Series-Season.html?soid=1102611509734&aid=KTMC-OpShPU 67. Matthew posted: 12.10.2016 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did anybody say anything about this tying the record for closest finish in NASCAR? 68. chevyfan98 posted: 12.11.2016 - 1:05 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Its in the very first comment... 69. JSPorts posted: 12.11.2016 - 9:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I remember watching this race, I was very disappointed that Kyle Busch won because, to me, superspeedways were the chance for the non-Cup drivers to win Nationwide or Truck races. 70. Anonymous posted: 05.03.2019 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution 2 is incorrect? Dega only have 4 turns not 9 71. Rich posted: 08.31.2020 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rick Allen, Phil Parsons and Michael Waltrip were the commentators. Ray Dunlap and Adam Alexander were the pit road reporters. Krista Voda was the host of the thirty minute pre-race show. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: