|| *Comments on the 2011 Lucas Deep Clean 200:* View the most recent comment <#75> | Post a comment <#post> 1. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought tonight was going to be Nelson Piquet Jr's night, but still a great finish for him regardless. Blake Feese returns to NASCAR after a 2 year absence. Last time we'll see Justin Marks for a while. 2. Who? posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Max Papis had a nasty fire after his engine blew going down the backstretch. 3. petty43 posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) heres hoping blake feese cant get another chance. really wish he would have had a better shot with hendrick, they gave up on him to quickly. 4. Sam posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It took Todd Bodine two starts to get 2 top 10s in the #5 truck. Travis Kvapil needed 10 races just to get 2 top 10s in the same truck this year. 5. Cooper posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "3. petty43 posted: 07.22.11 - 10:38 pm" Disagree. From what I remember, Blake Feese was an awful driver. But obviously I'm wrong since he's been given a second chance. Jennifer Jo Cobb qualified 36MPH off the pole, as she basically went onto the track and glided around. Michael Waltrip then jokingly (hopefully) said "she was hauling the mail in that pick-up truck". Josh Richards looked terrible in that #18 truck. Disappointing run in that KBM Toyota. And I'm about done with Goodyear and their damn tires. Austin Dillon with two tires simply drives away from the field where most have four. It's so hard getting used to this. Ever since I've been watching racing, tires we're so damn valuable. Now they mean nothing. The second caution was fake. 6. Anonymous posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bad night for Hornaday. Hornaday ran in the top 5 through the first round of pit stops and then his truck was just junk after that. Sadler didn't run very well tonight either. 7. irony posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Todd is terribly underrated. He was great in the Busch Series and had some good runs in Cup considering his equipment. Timothy Peters had the best truck but lost too much ground in the pits during this week's mystery debris yellow. 8. Cooper posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "7. irony posted: 07.22.11 - 10:52 pm" I agree. Remember Todd in that #66? He was a Top 10 car at the 1.5 milers and was able to win a good amount of poles. Just too aggressive at times. He also had to compete in a very tough era.(Late 90's/Early 00's) 9. irony posted: 07.22.2011 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Bad night for Hornaday. Hornaday ran in the top 5 through the first round of pit stops and then his truck was just junk after that. Sadler didn't run very well tonight either." Hensley's days as crew chief are numbered. I think he's the 7th crew chief in the last year and a half for the 33. Should of stuck with Doug George. 10. irony posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Remember Todd in that #66?" Yeah he got the stench out of that car right away. 11. 18fan posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was amazing how the rookie Piquet was the only of the three KHI trucks that did not seriously go away in the second half of the race. Each of the last two races Sadler has driven in Piquet has out performed him(except for Nelson's crash on the restart in Kentucky). Feese for no reason tucked down on Peters' door while being lapped and almost took Peters out of the race. What a clown. With the combination of clean air being super-important(as Johnny Sauter pointed out)and tires meaning nothing, the next few intermediate races could be bad. I don't know if Richards' run in the KBM truck was a result of his inexperience, the equipment not exactly being great, or both. Even Brian Ickler has only run mediocre in the 18 truck, while whoever jumps in that 2 truck seems to run well. It seems that, not surprisingly, the RCR trucks are clearly the best out there. My best proof is how Dillon just walked past Sauter and then drove away from him. The KHI and ThorSport trucks seem to be about even, along with the 18 when Kyle drives it, then the Turner trucks and the BKR #29 which has taken Kligerman to three top 5s in four races. RCR of course has the best equipment because they have the biggest budget and the most resources at their disposal. 12. Cooper posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "10. irony posted: 07.22.11 - 11:01 pm" Haha. Todd and Jimmy made those Travis Carter's competitive at least. DW was absolutely embarrassing. Then Travis tried that thing with Hideo Fukuyama. Good Times. That whole team was a complete gong show. Imagine a team with Jimmy Spencer and Todd Bodine. Hilarious. Wish Todd had a better opportunity though, but like I mentioned before it was so hard to get a good ride because of all the talent available at that time. 13. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Missed this one due to having to work. But I do have something to add to the conversation. "Todd and Jimmy made those Travis Carter's competitive at least. DW was absolutely embarrassing." I agree to an extent. Bodine and Spencer won poles and were semi-decent in those cars in 2001 while DW was old and washed up. I think that wreck he had at Daytona where he got injured and had to sit out a lot of races took a lot out of him. It seemed his career went downward after that. 14. RaceFanX posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon's first win of 2011 15. cjs3872 posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great win for Austin Dillon. Makes up for what happened last week, as well as at Texas, when he had the field covered in both races and didn't win. By the way, did you think when he celebrated after the race in the infield grass, that he was going to do a cartwheel into a backflip, like Carl Edwards did after he won the Truck race at Daytona in 2004 (his only win there), although in the infield grass instead of the pavement, as Edwards did that night, because it looked like he wanted to do one, and then changed his mind at the last moment. I think Dillon might be able to do one that way with the speed he built up. Maybe if he wins the championship we might see him try one, though there is no grass at Homestead on the main straightaway. So that would proabaly be doubtful. Again, without Kyle Busch in the field for the second consecutive race, it was pretty much a walkover for the Chevroelts, except for Timothy Peters, who dominated this race in a Toyota, until NASCAR might have called one of those "phantom debris" designed to tighten up the field, because Peters until then, he had this race won, lock, stock, and barrel. I wonder, did they ever find the debris in the third turn? 16. petty43 posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) actually blake won two arca races on only ten starts. one at nashville the other at dega. he was pretty sucessful in very limited oppurtunities. only had about 25 starts between busch, trucks, and arca. 17. Matt posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justin Lofton's truck was owned by Eddie Sharp. The team switched back to the #6 which they ran during Lofton's ARCA days with the team. 18. 18fan posted: 07.22.2011 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought Dillon mocking Kyle Busch's smashing of the guitar in victory lane was totally classless. Now Kyle smashing the guitar was wrong and ridiculous, but for a kid who really hasn't done much in his career to mock that was totally out of line. Now I might be taking it too far since I don't like either of the Dillons mainly due to their attitude that they think they are so great even though they each have by far the best equipment in their respective series. 19. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, 18fan, ever since Kyle disgraced the tradition of the Nashville guitar trophy (as well as victory lane itself), I believe every winner of a major NASCAR race at Nashville has faked breaking the guitar in what I think is clean fun. Kyle's breaking of that guitar is, by far, the most digusting thing any driver has ever done in victory lane. But then again, it is Kyle Busch, arguably the most disrespectful drive in NASCAR history who did that, so maybe it should not come as a surprise that it was him that broke that guitar some years back. 20. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ As far as I know, only Kyle and Austin have broken the guitar in victory lane. I found out about that just now, and I can't believe Austin actually mocked Kyle's gesture from 2009. I sort of respected Dillon when he first came up, but his attitude is making it difficult to continue respecting him. 21. 00andJoe posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cooper - No, Mikey wasn't joking when he made that comment about Cobb. Sadly. I'm a bit impressed, though, that even though in both Cup and NNS she's dead slow, she's able to keep out of the way and doesn't act as a rolling cichane. That counts for something. There was a safety truck picking up -something- by the wall in Turn 3 on the second caution. Whether or not it actually merited a caution? Probably not... 22. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The way people were talking, I at first thought Austin actually broke the guitar like Kyle did after the 2009 Nationwide race. I just saw the video on NASCAR.com and saw that he only mocked it. 23. 00andJoe posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) er, Truck and NNS. Sorry, brain burp! 24. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As if the botched slide and fake gutiar smashing was odd enough, he apparently barf'd too. "About the only thing he messed up was his post-race victory slide across the infield. "I stuck it a little hard on my landing," Dillon said. "You wouldn't want to see what I did after that." He said he ran back to the truck and vomited on the in-truck camera." Got that from the AP race recap. Wtf? 25. 18fan posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, since I usually don't watch Nationwide races and usually don't watch Truck series victory lane stuff, I honestly did not know that multiple people have mocked Kyle's actions before. Still doesn't help his image in my opinion because he's the only one I've seen do it. 26. KBM18 posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Now Kyle smashing the guitar was wrong and ridiculous," Am I the only one who thought Busch smashing the guitar was awesome? It's like nobody understands why he even did it. Besides promising to give everyone on the crew a piece as a trophy if he won (awesome), it's just pure rock and roll. Kyle Busch has a rock and roll attitude. And don't give me some crap about "oh the guitar was a work of art", it's his to do what he wants and caring about someone's feelings is the exact opposite of rock and roll. Maybe that kind of sissy toughy-feely crap flies in country western, I don't know, because I can't stand hearing more than 5 seconds of the stuff. And so what if a lot of work was put into it? It's not like they were throwing it away, you'd still be able to see the paint job on the individual pieces (personally I think the paint on them looks ugly and ruins a fine guitar that is a work of art on its own, don't care for much else of Sam Bass's art either). What I'm trying to say is, people made waaaaaaaaay too big a deal out Busch smashing that guitar. Just like most other times in this sport, people were only looking for something else to complain about. And I didn't see this race, but I'm disappointed that Dillon won. Would have rather it been Johnny Sauter, because I want him to win the championship 27. StevenWallaceCan'tDrive posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle's breaking of that guitar is, by far, the most digusting thing any driver has ever done in victory lane. But then again, it is Kyle Busch, arguably the most disrespectful drive in NASCAR history who did that, so maybe it should not come as a surprise that it was him that broke that guitar some years back." Wow, someone must have peed your cheerios this morning. I couldn't care less about Busch breaking the guitar. I get why he did it, I get why Sam Bass would be upset, but if I'm going to be totally honest I think Sam Bass's art sucks. To me it looks like the scribbles that some middle schooler would do on his notebook while he's bored in class. Except in Sam's case the proportions are more accurate. I have an old race program that he did the cover for and I think it looks stupid. When he said that there was literally hundreds and hundreds of hours put into the work on that guitar Busch smashed, I could only laugh. Really, hundreds of hours and that's what came of it? God I hope NASCAR didn't pay him for all that labor. The drivers that win at Nashville should treasure those guitars because they are really nice guitars, not because there is some lame hillbilly art sketched onto them. 28. potatosalad48 posted: 07.23.2011 - 1:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not surprising Austin ran away with this one. At least it's a reprieve from Kyle making "history." 29. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.23.2011 - 1:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NA$CAR stole the victory from Timothy Peters. That is all I can say about this race. Disgusting. 30. Brad posted: 07.23.2011 - 5:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 14. RaceFanX posted: 07.22.11 - 11:29 pm Austin Dillon's first win of 2011 Good job racefanx. 31. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.2011 - 7:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 00andJoe, by the WALL in turn three? Why would they need to pick up something there? It's not like that's near the racing groove. That proves to me that the caution was, in fact a "phantom debris" caution designed specifically to tighten up the field, because if you're running up there, you're in trouble anyway. If it was someplace like Atlanta or charlotte, where the grovve in the turns is the entire width of the track, then I could see them needing to pick up debris by the wall, but at Nashville, where the track is barely two racing grooves wide? Also, as for Dillon apparently getting sick after his dive, I would too if I ate some grass. I still think that Dillon may have wanted to do a running cartwheel to a flip, or something like that, and changed his mind at near the last instant. I base that opinion on how fast he was running. He may wanted to get a head of steam going before trying a cartwheel into a flip, which may be why he ran toward the grass, before he decided to dive into the grass instead. Just my opinion. He may not have had that in mind, but it looked to me that he did. It would be nice to see someone other than Carl Edwards do one, just to see if anyone else driving at one of the top levels of NASCAR can. 32. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.23.2011 - 7:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I only watched the last 40 laps, and was it boooooring. The only interest was watching Matt Crafton and Elliott Sadler self-destruct. 33. Anonymous posted: 07.23.2011 - 8:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) good win Austin, must be great running in top equipment and just being able to ride around and dominate. well, back to cup guys winning the next few races. isn't this series great now? 34. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.23.2011 - 8:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nobody to blame but me for missing this one. I didn't see it, but if it is like you guys said, it is pretty sad for Austin to mock Kyle. I guess when Richard Childress is your grandfather you have to hear about him all the time. Seriously, regardless of what happened, RCRs obsession with Kyle is creepy and stupid. If they would put half the effort and energy they put into making him look bad publically into trying to actually beat him on the track, they might actually *gasp* beat JJ. This is far from the RCR of my youth. With every passing year, it becomes more and more obvious what the key to their success from '84 to '00 was. 35. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.23.2011 - 10:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone have the exact words Dillon said in the interview? P.S. See my comment Uptight Motorsport Nerd's latest blog. 36. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.2011 - 10:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, the key to RCR's success, especially in their greatest years was not only the best driver (Dale Earnhardt), but in their greatest years they also had the best pit crew (The Flying Aces), and arguably the greatest crew chief of the late 80s and early 90s (Kirk Shelmerdine and later Andy Petree, who, though not as great a crew chief as Shelmerdine, was not that far behind). And while their engines didn't make the most horsepower, they more than held their own, and were also, if not the most reliable, then their engines were certainly among the most reliable. After all, their engine man won the award for best engine builder on more than one occasion. So, basically, RCR had the greatest overall TEAM in the business back then. And, after all, while drivers, or pit crews, or the horsepower of an engine can win individual races, only great TEAMS can win championships, especially at the rate that they won them from 1986-'94, and finishing in the top 5 virtually every year from 1984-2000, and Kevin Harvick even finished in the top 10 in 2001, despite not running in the Daytona 500. add Dale Earnhardt, Sr.'s points in that event to the points Harvick got for running the rest of the events in 2001, and RCR's 3/29 finished pretty close to the top 5 in owner's points that year. 37. Eric posted: 07.23.2011 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I saw saw the whole race. I didn't see the debris on the track for the 2nd caution on Speed. When I saw the fake guitar smash, I didn't know what Austin Dillon was thinking. 38. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.23.2011 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Whelp, Dillon proves that he is a rich brat. All sports except racing require fine tuning of a skill. What are racers? Rich brats. I wanted to be NASCAR driver when I was a kid in the 1990s. Why couldn't I live my dream? Because I am not a RICH brat. To be great, you need filthy filthy money like the Dillon BRAThers get from their granddad. Imagine this: you want to be a racer circa 1950-1970 what did you do? You bought a go-kart (or midget, or a junked car, depending on your age) and worked on it until you were the best at the local track and a big honcho noticed you. Nowadays, you have to be a rich brat like Dillon or Piquet or Gaughan who can say, "Daddy, you know I want to be when I gwow up? A NASCAR dwiver! (w's intentional)" And daddy or grandaddy goes out and buys his kid victories all the way until the Trucks or the local series. Then daddy buys the best sponsors and the best team, thereby buying victories on the local level. Then the kid gets to the Cup and stinks, and everyone acts like they don't know why. Cause racing is not about talent, it's money 1st, money 2nd, money 3rd, and talent 4th. Maybe I'm just jealous, but I find it sickening. Someday, those Dillon punks will get theirs. Likewise, I went to one of the 2005 Summer Shootouts at Charlotte Motor Speeway. In a legends race, the driver of car "A" clearly edged out the driver of car "B", but it was still only like a bumper. What did they do? They called it a tie! Do you know why? Because car "B" was driven by Chrissy Wallace. Yes the same one who gets money to dig out of the bottomless pits she digs for herself everytime she drives a NASCAR. Thus ends my tirade/rant/tangent. But conclude with this; do you feel like you couldn't become a NASCAR driver, or any other series racer, because you weren't rich. All other sports are a fine-tuning of skill, or (in Olympic sports) talent, but racing is all about $$. 39. Cooper posted: 07.23.2011 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "38. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.23.11 - 11:27 am" Very nice tirade. Money Talks. I think everyone knows that. Most of the young drivers were given everything to become race car drivers. Very rarely are the drivers today 1st generation racers. Family dominates the sport of auto racing. That's just the way it is. "37. Eric posted: 07.23.11 - 11:17 am" The reason you didn't see the debris was because there was nothing there to begin with. "29. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.23.11 - 1:59 am" Yep. Like stealing candy from a baby. That's why I don't take the results seriously anymore, they mean nothing. "26. KBM18 posted: 07.23.11 - 12:32 am" It would have worked better if he could've actually smashed it. It was so well built that it didn't break after the first couple of hits. "21. 00andJoe posted: 07.23.11 - 12:14 am" Mikey wasn't joking...That makes JJC even more laughable. Mike and JJC are a perfect match, both their favorite hobbies include driving slow. "19. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.11 - 12:07 am" Brad didn't fake guitar smash when he won. 40. IglooRacer posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only thing I saw from this race was Austin trying to slide in the grass on his belly. . . . 41. hyperacti posted: 07.23.2011 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really hoping to see even more of Blake Feese 42. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.2011 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, Cooper, so maybe not EVERY winner at Nashville has faked breaking the guitar since Kyle did it a number of years ago, but dillon's certainly not the first driver to do it since then. And speaking of winners at Nashville, how many more will there be, because I don't think there will be very many more races at Nashville, if any past this year or next year. After all, if the numvers this site has are accurate, I don't know this site not to be accurate, only 11,000 people showed up for the event. 11,000 for a race in one of NASCAR's big three series! Come on, now. That will make the 80,000 that will probably show up for the Brickyard next week (and that's all that I believe will show up) look like a half-full house. And 80,000 would mean that the Brickyard would only fill one-quarter of the stands. But 11,000 people attending is humiliating to the real race fans in that area, as well as the great tradition of racing in that area. I know the heat's stifling (I live in Baltimore, where they had probably the hottest day, with the humidity combined, in the city's history, with heat indexes in some places exceeding 125 degrees.), but still, only 11,000 people? Come on, Tennesse race fans, you can do a much better job than that. Again, pointing out the paltry attendance figures seem like a broken record, but the reasons that the popularity of the sport, especially in the base area of the southeast, is at an all-time low, include the fact that there are just not anyone for the fans of the sport's core region to root for. Ironically, one of those drivers actually won this event. With Dale Earnhardt, Jr. fading as usual, Brian Vickers doing next-to nothing, and Denny Hamlin having the charisma of a tape player, there isn't any current driver for the core fans to root for. That's why drivers such as Daytona 500 winner Trevor Bayne and Austin Dillon are so important to the sport's future, because NASCAR needs drivers from it's traditional core to root for, and right now, they have NONE. A victory by Bayne in the NNS race on July 23, which in my mind would be about as unlikely as Reed Sorenson's win at Road America earlier this year, might get the fans at Nashville excited. (That is, if any actually show up.) I say that because Nashville isn't the kind of track that Bayne figures to do well at, as it is not as technical a track as a place like Loudon, where they raced last week, or IRP and Iowa, the series' next two stops, as the more technical tracks seem to be his strongest suit. (Those kind of tracks are where he had his best races last year.) Nashville is a place where you hang it out, so to speak. If Bayne doesn't have a win after the race at Iowa, he isn't going to win this year in the NNS. As for Dillon, don't be surprised if he winds up winning the title easily, because now that's he's finally won, he might win a bunch of them and overtake Johnny Sauter, who, along with his team, has tried to blow the championship lea in every was possible. I say that because all he's needed is to finally seal the deal. Now that he's finally done that, I look for him to go on a tear. But Dillon and Bayne are the best hopes for a driver from the core region of the sport to be major stars in the future. And if both flame out, which I don't expect both to do (one might, but I dion't expect both to), all hope for a star from the core region of the sport may well be lost for at least another generation. And with it, I think crowds may continue to dwindle, even at some of the sport's biggest events. 43. Anonymous posted: 07.23.2011 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872 - True. But it's better than the caution that came out earlier this year (forget the track) for a SODA CAN sitting below the yellow line down on the apron! 44. 00andJoe posted: 07.23.2011 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the record, Mikey's quote regarding Cobb was: "Imagine, those pickup trucks going 120mph...that's really hauling the mail!" (While the faster qualifiers run 150...) As I mentioned before, though, the fact Cobb isn't a rolling roadblock despite her slowness, instead actually managing to run clean and out of the way, has to count for something. 45. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.23.2011 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The funny thing with the second caution is that I instantly switched to the RaceBuddy when hearing about the yellow with the purpose to observe the track from Cole Whitt's onboard. I figured that on the concrete a piece of debris would be found easily. Ha-ha! In a couple of seconds roof cam changed to the inside-the-cabin cam and I could see nothing but Cole himself. These guys, they are smart! 46. IglooRacer posted: 07.23.2011 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nicorosbergfan- Austin dillon has talent, Brendan gaughan almost won a truck title and I'll even say Nelson piquet has talent (once he minimizes mistakes) The problem with NASCAR is sponsors, they don't want to sponsor a nobody they want someone with a recognizable name like Wallace, Earnhardt and Dillon. Remember the state the economy is in? The good thing is owners still chance on drivers like Denny hamlin ( a driver who came from nothing) Trevor bayne (a driver on the verge of a cup ride) or a Parker kligerman (a driver still working up the ladder) If you have the money and don't have talent then you end going the way of John Wes Townley 47. IglooRacer posted: 07.23.2011 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I remember Blake feese being a casualty of hendrick shutting down his driver development program down after the plane wreck. Isn't that what happened? 48. Cooper posted: 07.23.2011 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "47. IglooRacer posted: 07.23.11 - 3:15 pm" http://racing-reference.info/drivdet/feesebl01/2005/B Nope, he just plain sucked. No offense to Blake Feese fans. 49. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 07.23.2011 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^^ Yep. He, Kyle Krisiloff, Boston Reid, and at the time 15 year old Chase Austin were all out of rides after that. None of them really recovered. 50. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.23.2011 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) IglooRacer: You can't judge whether somehow has talent unless they perform under impossible circumstances, like Kyle Busch did in the Trucks back in 2001. I just used Dillon, Gaughan, and Piquet as examples of the many racers who have infinite resources to race. Nothing personal against them, they were just the first names I thought of. Notice 5-9 place are all yellow vehicles. Weird. 51. IglooRacer posted: 07.23.2011 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nicorosbergfan- Good point, it makes sense. But I also like to judge talent when they win races and how they learn from mistakes. I look at it from the aspect that it's easier to lose one then it is to win one. I'll use austin as an example again, he's choked away at least two good chances this year if not more. But he learned from it and as you say he fine tuned his skill to make sure this one didn't slip away. To me that's talent showing as well. It's funny how you say nothing personal against them but your rant WAS against them. 52. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.2011 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm surprised that nobody's brought it up, and I apologize for not bringing it up myself, but I do have one question about something that occurred during the second caution period. Why on earth was Elliott Sadler not penalized for illegally passing Nelson Piquet, Jr. under that caution period as they headed toward the pit entrance. Sure, they were going to make pit stops, but Sadler passed Piquet before they got to the pit entrance, and Sadler appeared to me to actually speed up to pass Piquet before they got to the pit entry line? I thought that was illegal, becuase you can not pass anyone under caution under that set of circumstances. And by the way, during short track races, particlarly at Martinsville and Bristol, but at some of other races at shorter tracks, why does NASCAR not penalize drivers for passing the pace car as they are entering the pits, because that's highly illegal as well. Granted, when they slow down in the pit lane, the pace car repasses those that pass it, but I thought it was strictly against the rules to pass the pace car under any circumstances, unless the driver(s) in question are waved around the pace car. That's something to watch for at some of the shorter tracks. 53. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.2011 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) IglooRacer, some of the greatest drivers in history have choked away victories, but have learned from their mistakes. The greatest case in point was David Pearson, who quite literally, threw away the 1975 Daytona 500, when he tangled with Cale Yarborough on the 198th lap. Granted, Benny Parsons, with the help of Richard Petty, was catching him at a god clip, but it's doubtful that Parsons would ever have been able to beat Pearson heads-up on that day, but Pearson flat-out beat himself that day. Even after his spin, he still would have finished second, but he killed the engine on the backstretch grass. That mistake, which compounded his first one, dropped him from second to fourth. The following year, we know what happened between him and Richard Petty on the last lap (as well as the car of Joe Frasson, the third car involved in the famous Petty-Pearson crash at the end of the 1976 Daytona 500). But what won Pearson that particular race was that he was able to keep his engine running, while Petty's died on the tri-oval grass. That simple fact allowed Pearson to chug across the finish line to win that race. But he may not have been able to keep his engine running if not for what happened to him at the end of the Daytona 500 in 1975, when he killed his engine on the backstretch grass, which caused him to drop from second, on the lead lap, to fourth, two laps behind. The moral of this story is that even the greatest drivers have made boneheaded mistakes in their careers. But it's what you learn from them, and whether you can apply that knowledge gained from that mistake, that can make the differemce between being a good driver and being a great one. And there have been many more tales of this kind in racing history, but this one was the most famous such incident. 54. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.23.2011 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 51. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.11 - 7:28 pm " Why on earth was Elliott Sadler not penalized for illegally passing Nelson Piquet, Jr. under that caution period as they headed toward the pit entrance" This. 55. IglooRacer posted: 07.23.2011 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs- you help validating my belief on talent. David pearson was an incredible driver. We could go on about how many times Dale sr. choked away the daytona 500. But he eventually won it. Almirolafan- thanks I knew something actually happened, I remember krisiloff had a nationwide ride a couple years ago. But that was it. Alot of potential gone to waste and that's a shame. Ivan balakhonov- post 45 is too funny. Sneaky sneaky NASCAR. 56. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.23.2011 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) IglooRacer: I speak against a whole genre of drivers that includes the Dillons, Gaughan, and Piquet. I can't list everybody, and there just happened to be some prime examples right in these results. 57. Anonymous posted: 07.23.2011 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #52/54: I assume Elliott wasn't penalised because, at the time, he was ruled to be coming onto pit road while Piquet was staying out, and Piquet changed his mind and pitted after Sadler had already gone past "in the process of pitting"? NRF - So, if a driver -does- have "family backing", he shouldn't be allowed to race then? 58. cjs3872 posted: 07.23.2011 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) However, you still can't accelerate past anyone on the track under caution, except for those getting waved around, either via the free pass, or the "wave around" during the last lap of caution. And Sadler accelerated past Piquet. Also, as I predicted in post #42, Bayne had no chance at Nashville, as that style of racing just, where you basically run wide open, just doesn't suit him. However, I think he will be a factor at IRP (if Roush fields a car for him, which he might not, since Bayne is scheduled to run the Brickyard in the #21 car, and the #16 NNS car might not race at IRP if the #21 car makes the Brickyard 400) and Iowa, because those tracks do suit his more technical style. Remember, both Edwards and Ricky Stenhouse are ex-sprint car drivers, which is why they do so well on the kinds of tracks where you have to run wide open and slide the car around, where as Bayne seems to be a more technical driver that does better when the driver is a bigger part of the equation, as most of his better races last year were on more technical tracks where the driver is a bigger part of the equation. Which is why I can't understand why they set his car like his teammates' cars, because his driving style can't be much different. And I'd still like to know why drivers can pass the pace car when coming into the pits during caution periods. And, IglooRacer, When did Dale Earnhardt ever "choke" away the Daytona 500, because I can't remember a case where Dale lost the Daytona 500 because of something he did. It was always circumstances beyond his control that, for 19 years, kept him out of victory lane in that event. 59. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.24.2011 - 7:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anonymous57: That isn't my point. I'm saying that drivers that have family backing never really show if they have talent or not. Their families are always there to bail them out. 60. myothercarisanM535i posted: 07.24.2011 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As for passing coming into pit road, I sort of recall hearing once that you can pass another car under caution if that car waves you past. They might have been pitting near each other and found it more convienient to switch places. Fake cautions are disgusting. And CJ, post #42 about attendance: Would putting the Truck and Nationwide race on the same day be a possible solution? I wonder if more fans would see that as a better deal or if that would make it easier for people to attend. 61. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.24.2011 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "why does NASCAR not penalize drivers for passing the pace car as they are entering the pits" Because the pits on shorter tracks are on the inside wrapped around the track, thus making a much tighter radius and less distance which gives them little choice but to pass the pace car in the pits. It gets evened out because they aren't allowed to leave the pits until the pace car has repassed them. This is the case at Martinsville with the pits wrapped around the corners, but this came to light as early as 1995 at North Wilkesboro. I have a tape of the 1995 First Union 400 from ESPN Classic (Earnhardt won, so I taped it), this was the first race with Wilkesboro's new pits that wrapped around turns 3 and 4 to accomodate a 36 car field. On the first pit stop the cars passed the pace car and Benny Parsons wondered about that, but they said it was brounght up in the drivers meeting that it was ok due to the radius. 62. Cooper posted: 07.25.2011 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "61. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.24.11 - 8:25 pm" That's good stuff right there. Great work. I've actually never thought about that until CJ and you mentioned it. 63. cjs3872 posted: 07.25.2011 - 10:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) myothercarisanM535i, you can not pass under caution ON THE TRACK haeding into the pits. Now, for what you mentioned about switching places prior to their pit, I believe you CAN pass under caution on pit road, as long as you're within the pit road speed limit parameters, but you can not pass on the track itself during caution periods. As for passing another driver when being waved around, either by NASCAR, or the other drivers, obviously that's legal, but he has to be waved by to make it legal. As for your comment about putting the Trucks and Nationwide Series on the same track on the same date. Actually, that would result in LOWER overall attendance, not higher, becuase you would only have one day of crowds, not two, unless you do what baseball teams do during day-night double-headers, and that's to make the customers pay twice, once for each event. Otherwise, you would have lower attendance. That's why MLB teams have basically done away with twi-night double-headers in which you would get to see two games for the price of one. And for the phantopm cautions. I wonder how many cars would have been on the lead lap if that first one hadn't have come out. Two? Three? After all, Carl Edwards had just lapped through 10th place by lap 80 of a 225-lap Nationwide Series race, and Timothy Peters had an 8-second lead when NASCAR threw a caution under similar circumstances. I'll say it again, NASCAR will never just let anyone lap the ENTIRE field. If it appears that may come even close to happening, NASCAR will deliberately use the caution flag to tighten up the field. Anyone remember Bill France, Jr.'s comments to the Elliotts about running away with several races in 1985. He told one the Elliotts that "you may win our races, but you will NOT stink up our shows". 64. Talon64 posted: 07.25.2011 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon won his 3rd career Truck Series race from his 10th career pole. He's already tied for 9th all time in series pole in only 39 starts, meaning he'll win the pole just a BIT better than every 4 races. It's the first time this year Austin's had back-to-back top 5's. BTW, I thought it was funny when he faked breaking the guitar. Some people need to learn to lighten up. Johnny Sauter also has back-to-back top 5's for the first time this season; his point lead is now at 18 points over 2nd place Dillon. Timothy Peters led a season-high 67 laps in the race and ended up 3rd, his first top 10 in 7 races. Hard to believe he could have a bad stretch like that but still be 5th in the standings, but it's been a weird season. It's his 5th consecutive top 5 at Nashville, leading 174 laps in that span (559 career laps led). Nelson Piquet Jr. was the highest finishing rookie in the race, getting back-to-back top 10's for the first time all season. Both of Piquet's top 5's in 2011 have come at Nashville. Parker Kligerman gets his 3rd top 5 in the last 4 races and 8th consecutive top 10 start. Todd Bodine gets the #5 Truck it's best finish of the season, 6th, after only 2 starts. Travis Kvapil couldn't finish better than 10th in 10 races in the #5. Todd is now on a season-high 3 race top 10 streak. James Buescher moves into 3rd in the series standings with his series-leading 10th top 10 of the season and 8th consecutive; it matches his total of top 10's from 2010 (22 starts). David Starr is now on a 3 race top 10 streak, going from 19th to 13th in points in that stretch. Elliott Sadler gets his 4th top 10 in 5 starts this season but hasn't had a top 5 in the last 4. Joey Coulter picked up his 6th top 10 in the last 7 races and now leads all rookies with 7. He and Parker Kligerman have slashed Cole Whitt's ROTY point lead down to just 10 points. 65. myothercarisanM535i posted: 07.25.2011 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paying twice? Didn't know that happened. So maybe it wouldn't work. But what I had in mind was something along the lines of a slightly more expensive ticket price to see both races on the same night. The idea behind that being to get all the people who would have only attended one race and not the other. I imagine that a serious fan of te sport would go to both races on separate nights, but someone who is fairly new to racing and just wants to give it a go might not want to shell out the cash for two races and clear his schedule on two nights. And sorry but I don't have a problem with someone lapping the field if they have the car to do it. 66. cjs3872 posted: 07.25.2011 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, myothercarisanM535i, when you go to a day-night double-header in baseball, to see both games you do have to pay TWO admission tickets, one for the day game, the other for the night game. 67. myothercarisanM535i posted: 07.25.2011 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really? I mean....really?! Who on earth thought that was a good idea! 68. cjs3872 posted: 07.26.2011 - 8:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The MLB clubs, obviously, because nobody else thinks it is. They started doing those day-night double-heards so they could gain more money from it. After all, would you, if you were a MLB team owner, rahter have a gate of 45,000 for one game, or 70,000-80,000+ for two games on the same day. For a team owner, the answer to that question would actually be a simple one. Another theory in favor of that idea would be that more people wouuld actually get to see at least one of the games. The smae, I imagine would be true if you held a NASCAR Truck Series race by day, and a Nationwide Series race by night. You would have to pay twice if you wanted to see both events, but it would give people a choice whether or not to see one or the other. 69. 00andJoe posted: 07.27.2011 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...actually, as far as I know, they do NOT pre-schedule day/night double-headers in baseball. They happen when games get rained out or otherwise cancelled/suspended and have to be moved to another date later in the season to be made up. 70. cjs3872 posted: 07.27.2011 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 00andJoe, you are correct. But my point was that they used to make up those rain-outs with twi-night double-headers, in which you could see two games with one paid admission ticket, instead of having to pay twice. Now, the completion of suspended games, which hardly ever happen anymore, would require two paid admission tickets to attend the completion of the suspended game, and then the regularly scheduled game. The same, I imagine would be true about NASCAR races, except they would never schedule two races for different divisions back-to-back. Of course, the qualifying races at Daytona are, for the purpose of the ticket-buyer, considered one event, so you only have to pay once to see both qualifying races, even if the case came up that one of the qualifying races was run to its completion on schedule, and then the second was delayed several hours due to a storm that hit between the qualifying races. Now in 1978, when the qualifying races were postponed to Friday due to rain, you had to pay to see both qualifying races, then pay two more times if you wanted to see both the IROC race, and then the Modified race on the road course, but if you wanted to see just the qualifying races, you would still get in for one admission, either on that Friday, or with the rain check from the previous day, I do believe. 71. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.28.2011 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What you mean is the fans want more bang for their buck. 72. 00andJoe posted: 07.29.2011 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The "International Truck" in the #5's sponsor should be plural ("International Trucks"). 73. Windows Millennium Edition posted: 03.06.2016 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew: WD|Clay Rogers|92|BTS Tire & Wheel/Fleet HQ|Ricky Benton|Chevrolet 74. MasonShell24 posted: 06.03.2020 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was the last NASCAR race at Nashville Superspeedway. After 2011, the track sat dormant for 10 years until NASCAR announced today that they will host a Cup Series race in June 2021. It will replace one of Dover's races and will help NASCAR break into the Nashville market. 75. MasonShell24 posted: 06.03.2020 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *This was the last Truck Series race held in Nashville, the final NASCAR race was the Nationwide Series race a day later, my mistake ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: