|| *Comments on the 2011 F.W. Webb 175:* View the most recent comment <#48> | Post a comment <#post> 1. beau posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) glad i missed it. absolutely miserable race. 2. Cooper posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Move Along. Nothing to see here. Unless you're favourite number is 18. 3. Eric posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race was decided when the green flag was waved. Even if Kyle Busch wasn't in the field, this race would have been a stinker. If there wasn't for the 2 debris cautions, there might only been 4 trucks on the lead lap by the pace Kyle was going. 4. Cooper posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, I forgot to mention... SPEED went to commercial with 7 laps to go...Unbelievable. In addition, Michael Waltrip was basically begging for a caution while on air. Never in my life have I seen a more atrocious broadcast in my life...except for my high school A/V clubs production of track and field day. 5. 00andJoe posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I'd bought tickets to the race, I'd be pestering Bruton for a discount. What a snoozefest. ...the presence of A.J. Russell in the race raises a question: do we use the U.S. flag in the race results, or the flag of the Cherokee Nation? (It's a fair question, given that nearly all drivers from Scotland choose to represent themselves as Scottish, using the Scottish flag, instead of being from the U.K. and using the Union Jack...) 6. 00andJoe posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #51 owner: Kyle Busch 7. cjs3872 posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Cooper, if you want to know my opinion on the way SPEED butchered the broadcast of the end of the race, go to the Cup race comments page, since I voiced my opinion there before the results page for the Truck race was put up. Needless to say, SPEED should have their contract to broadcast the Truck series terminated, and the Truck series should be put on a network where they actually care about the product (somewhere like ESPN, maybe?), even if it was a terrible race, like today's was. And Michael Waltrip should be terminated, in fact, he should have never been hired to begin with, especially when you have Phil Parsons, who like his brother Benny was, seems to actually be a voice of reason, rather than a self-promoter like Waltrip is. And speaking of Waltrip, older brother Darrell win join Mike Joy for the Bathhurst 1000. That should be interesting, since neither know anything about the cars, tracks, or competitors for that event. By the way, this gaffe came from the same network that didn't even know the rules of the All-Star Race regarding what teams had to do before the final 10-lap segment, where the final pit stop was concerned. And that's as bad as it gets. I remember Bobby Unser once saying that nobody studied the rules harder than he did, whether it was as a driver, or later as a commentator. I think the FOX crew should take a page from Unser's playbook and study the event, and maybe do an overhaul of the commentating team while they're at it, because nobody there is any good, especially Darrell Waltrip, Larry McReynolds, and don't get me started about Chris Myers, who FOX has in the Chris Schenkel/Dave Diles/Jim McKay role as the host, eve though he knows nothing about the sport. At least ESPN has people that know the sport in that role, with the possible exception of Brad Daugherty, who has no business on a racing broadcast. I think FOX should hire Wally Dallenbach, Jr. to be their lead expert commentator, since he makes anybody that works with him on the telecasts better, and he as opinionated as Waltrip and McReynolds, without the self-promotion. 8. Anonymous posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:45 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Needless to say, SPEED should have their contract to broadcast the Truck series terminated, and the Truck series should be put on a network where they actually care about the product (somewhere like ESPN, maybe?)" This is one of the most ludicrous sentences I've ever read. 9. irony posted: 09.25.2011 - 12:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the webmaster, Jeff Hensley was the crew chief for the #8 truck last week at Chicagoland, and Chris Carrier for the #33. They just didn't update the entry list until this week. Between the commercial breaks and Barrett Jackson, SPEED didn't seem to care about this race. If you think this race was boring though, you're gonna hate next year when Kyle is the only Cupper in the field for most races. Piquet sure has a lot of bad luck. He ran top 10 all day. 10. Greg G posted: 09.25.2011 - 1:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) No more truck races for me until Mikey is off the air. 11. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 09.25.2011 - 1:31 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) A tale of two owners: Under KBM ownership a second truck (#15/51) has never finished inside the Top 10. They have a season best finish of only 15th with.....Kimi Raikkonen, at Charlotte. Under the ownership of Vision Avation Racing/Billy Ballew, the #15 won the season opening race at Daytona with Michael Waltrip, and the #51 finished 8th the very next week at Phoenix with Justin Johnson. But that success was short lived, as VAR shut down a couple months later. 12. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 09.25.2011 - 1:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truck debuts for Corona Series & Modified Tour champions German Quiroga & Bobby Santos. Josh Wise makes his first truck start since 2007. Sadly it looks like he's already getting used to his post JR Motorsports life. 13. irony posted: 09.25.2011 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty amazing that Coulter finished 11th after two green flag drive throughs. 14. 18fan posted: 09.25.2011 - 2:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It will be interesting to see what happens to Piquet and Hornaday next year with Eddie Sharp taking over the 8 and 33 trucks. Piquet seems to at least be able to qualify well, which shows he has the speed to get it done once he figures out how to finish the deal in races. I would love to see Kyle hire him for next year if Nelson is available. I also read that before he got a ride with Renault F1 for the rest of the year that Bruno Senna was thinking about coming to the U.S. and maybe run NASCAR. 15. Smokefan05 posted: 09.25.2011 - 2:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Needless to say, SPEED should have their contract to broadcast the Truck series terminated, and the Truck series should be put on a network where they actually care about the product (somewhere like ESPN, maybe?)" Even tho ESPN has redeemed themselves by putting Allen Bestwick in the booth, they still don't deserve to have a NASCAR TV deal with there utter lack of respect and past screw ups for the past TV deal. Put the trucks in TNT. 16. NicoRosbergFan posted: 09.25.2011 - 5:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I saw a worse commercial break late in a race-- earlier this year, the broadcast went to a commercial break in the IndyLights race with 2 laps left at Edmonton because they start the race live, but then slowly lose the live air by picking up on the same lap that they went to commercial on. It is terrible especially because it is advertised as live. Imagine Josef Newgarden and Esteban Guerrieri going down a straightaway with 2 laps to go, they go to commercial for 4 minutes, they come back and Newgarden and Guerrieri are on the same straightaway with the same # of laps left. You want coverage to be bad, watch Versus anything; 9 out of 10 hockey games on there or NBC will have blatantly biased coverage. 17. myothercarisanM535i posted: 09.25.2011 - 6:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if NASCAR will ever learn that fake cautions only make a boring race even more boring... 18. Anonymous posted: 09.25.2011 - 7:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) one of the worst truck races ever. it's amazing how great this series used to be once 19. Matt L posted: 09.25.2011 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) SPEED normally does a great job with the series, but they really mailed their broadcast in. Weak race. 20. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.25.2011 - 10:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. Glad I missed this one for sure. Apparently, even by Mikey's already low standards, he was bad in this one. Very pleased to have missed it. 21. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 09.25.2011 - 11:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was a sunny day so I went outside and did some gardening, much better way to spend my afternoon than watching a boring truck race with Michael Waltrip commentary. 22. Beth posted: 09.25.2011 - 11:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was Barrett Jackson so important that SPEED couldn't even show a points update before running off of their broadcast nearly half an hour early to go to Vegas?? I mean come on!! Even when the race goes over its allotted time, they normally show a points update. Sure, I can get it online somewhere, but that's not the point. Shame on you SPEED!! And that first debris caution raised all sorts of questions...NASCAR couldn't let their points leader go a lap down 61 laps into a 175 lap race. Shame on them too! 23. cjs3872 posted: 09.25.2011 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) SmokeFan05, at least ESPN recognized their mistake and corrected it, something the idiots at FOX will never do, considering the man in charge there (Rupert Murdoch) is, himself, under investigation overseas for improprieties. And the guy in charge of the TV sports department (David Hill, I believe) is just as bad, as he has no clue at all of what's going on, especially where NASCAR's concerned. Now if ESPN can take Brad Daugherty off it's NASCAR coverage, their coverage of the sport will be even better. And Anonymous (#8), at least ESPN cares about it's NASCAR coverage, where SPEED at times, doesn't even seem to care about covering the sport as much as it cares about the people who are covering the sport, not to mention that the commentators sometimes don't even know what the rules are, which is THE cardinal sin for a commentating team. After all, if the team broadcasting the event doesn't know what's going on, what hope do the viewers have of knowing what's going on. And as for the first debris caution on lap 61, and this can be said about all early-race debris cautions, which are thrown just to tighten up the field, as was the case yesterday. Early in the 1988 Daytona 500, Chris Economaki wondered what would cause debris to be on the track in a race in which there hasn't been an acddient yet. 24. 00andJoe posted: 09.25.2011 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "hey start the race live, but then slowly lose the live air by picking up on the same lap that they went to commercial on. It is terrible especially because it is advertised as live." I've noticed that a lot of SPEED's qualifying broadcasts appear to be done the same way - you see the next car rolling out, you have a commercial more than long enough for that car to finish its run, but when you come back they're just taking the green flag... From what I've seen, ESPN actually does cover qualifying "genuinely live". 25. 18fan posted: 09.25.2011 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 00andJoe, yes, ESPN covers qualifying completely live. When I follow qualifying with the NASCAR.com leaderboard and SPEED is covering it, the leaderboard is way ahead, but this weekend with ESPN covering qualifying the coverage and the leaderboard were at the same place in qualifying. 26. Timmy Quivy posted: 09.25.2011 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They should have called this race the 2011 Z.Z. Zzzz 175. 27. 1995z71 posted: 09.25.2011 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch & Kevin Harvick are going to ruined the Truck Series for good. 28. Alex posted: 09.25.2011 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone know what happened to Brennan Newberry and the #14 team? He was supposed to make his NCWTS debut this weekend, he on Jayski's qualifying page with no-time, but so are 2 other trucks that made the race. 29. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 09.25.2011 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was a pleasure having other stuff to do during the telecast of this race. If it was as bad as everyone is saying, I don't wanna see a rerun of it. Mikey being in the booth and the winner leading all but 10 laps certainly doesn't help matters either. 30. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.25.2011 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " Now if ESPN can take Brad Daugherty off it's NASCAR coverage, their coverage of the sport will be even better." They really just need to get rid of the whole damn infield studio. Rusty rarely if ever has anything insightful to add either. In rain postponed races, they don't have it up and running, and it is wonderful. Outside of the studio, they have improved a lot this year. 31. irony posted: 09.25.2011 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The first debris caution cost Cole Whitt two laps because he had just pitted. 32. potatosalad48 posted: 09.25.2011 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ Post 28 Brennan Newberry wrecked in qualifying and didn't have a back up, so he withdrew. 33. Mamorese posted: 09.26.2011 - 1:48 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Shut your nutasses up one boring race isn't going to kill the truck series. And it was only a few races ago you guys creamed yourselves over the SPEED tv coverage being top notch. Plus, you should be happy that NASCAR is weaning itself off debris cautions. They threw one 60 laps in and it went green all the way to the end, you should be happy that NASCAR took it upon themselves to let the race play out like they should even though a driver was dominating 34. myothercarisanM535i posted: 09.26.2011 - 3:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Plus, you should be happy that NASCAR is weaning itself off debris cautions. They threw one 60 laps in and it went green all the way to the end, you should be happy that NASCAR took it upon themselves to let the race play out like they should even though a driver was dominating" Except they DIDN'T let it play out like they should have. Who knows what would have happened if they hadn't have thrown it? Fake cautions don't make the racing more exciting, because the dominant car/truck always ends up adjusting and going even faster! The exact same thing happened at a Cup race at Pocono a few years back. They kept throwing dodgy yellows in the hope that someone would be able to catch Kasey Khane, but each time, he just got faster and faster, putting an even bigger whooping on them! But I must say that I'm glad their interference didn't seem to effect the outcome of the race. The best car still won, as it should have, unlike the disgusting events that took place during this years IRP Nationwide race. 35. cjs3872 posted: 09.26.2011 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, the difference between Brad Daugherty and everyone else in ESPN's pit studio is that everyone else actually knows what they're talking about, where as Brad doesn't. That's why he has no place on the broadcast crew. Also, about the phantom cautions, NASCAR has thrown them to keep the racing close for years, though ironically, the only on-track incident in this race did NOT draw a caution when David Starr spun in the first turn. By the way, the second debris caution was legitimate, as the offending piece was in the racing groove. I have no problem with debris cautions, as long there is actual debris where the cars are racing, or close enough to where it could get into the racing groove. But had the race been 10 or 15 laps longer, it's quite possible that Kyle busch would have lapped through fourth place, as the fourth, fifth, and sixth place finisher were right in front of him late, until he backed off and didn't attempt any foolish moves that couldv'e proved costly. And kudos to NASCAR for backing off the phantom debris cautions late in the race, thus allowing it to play out natually, something Carl Edwards was one of the first to notice several weeks back. Of course, now that I've said that, we'll probably have a run of phantom debris cautions late in races. Talk about the "kiss of death". And by the way, M535i, those phantom cautions ended up not affecting the ultimate outcome of the NNS race at IRP one bit, as Brad Keselowski would have won anyway, since the caution that gave him a chance to challenge Ricky Stenhouse was as legitimate as it can get when Trevor Bayne's engine erupted entering turn one. 36. Talon64 posted: 09.26.2011 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Austin Dillon deserves a lot credit for how well he ran in the race; even if you removed Kyle Busch from the race AD would've left only 7-8 drivers on the lead lap. ALMOST as dominant as Kyle was in the race. For Kyle Busch it's his 30th career Truck win and 6th of 2011. He'll make his 100th series start in the next race he runs. Austin Dillon equals his total from his 2010 rookie season with his 7th top 5 of the year (4th top 2, 2nd runner-up finish). In the last 3 races (1 win, a 2nd and a 6th) he's gone from 4th, 29 points out, to a 2 point lead in the standings. Kevin Harvick gets his 20th top 5 in his last 21 series starts. Ron Hornaday Jr. leads all series regulars with 9 top 5's on the year, but 6 finishes of 17th or worse has him barely on the brink of championship contention. Johnny Sauter picked up his 30th career top 5 in 80 Truck Series starts. But it's the first time since mid-July that he's had back-to-back top 10's. Matt Crafton finished in the top 10 for a 3rd straight race but is on pace for just 4 top 5's, a 12.3 avg fin and 6th in the standings; all would be his worst in the last 4 seasons. James Buescher lost the point lead but managed to get his 16th top 10 in 18 starts in 2011. Todd Bodine gets his 3rd top 10 in the last 4 races. Timothy Peters gets his first top 10 in 3 races. Miguel Paludo was the highest finishing rookie in 10th, getting back-to-back top 10's for the first time in his Truck Series career. 37. irony posted: 09.27.2011 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) SPEED coverage and top notch doesn't belong in the same sentence. They do a horrible job of picking personnel for their NASCAR crews, they surely have the worst commercial to broadcast time ratio of any network, and are loaded with annoying self promotions to which they inexplicably turn the volume wide open for. Until recently their audio hasn't been very good either. The Truck Series is their highest rated programming, so they do at least take it seriously unless there's a car auction going on. 38. Misinformation posted: 09.27.2011 - 12:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) SPEED absolutely murdered this coverage from start to finish. A.J. Russell isn't even the first Native American to race in a truck race this season and Sacred Power isn't the first Native American owned team to run this year. They failed to realize that Jake Crum and his car owner are both Native Americans. 39. myothercarisanM535i posted: 09.27.2011 - 2:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But had the race been 10 or 15 laps longer, it's quite possible that Kyle busch would have lapped through fourth place, as the fourth, fifth, and sixth place finisher were right in front of him late, until he backed off and didn't attempt any foolish moves that couldv'e proved costly." So? Why punish someone simply for running well? "And by the way, M535i, those phantom cautions ended up not affecting the ultimate outcome of the NNS race at IRP one bit, as Brad Keselowski would have won anyway, since the caution that gave him a chance to challenge Ricky Stenhouse was as legitimate as it can get when Trevor Bayne's engine erupted entering turn one." Disagree strongly. The second fake caution saved the #22 from going a lap down, which then allowed to him to contend for the win. I certainly don't believe that a driver who is running a perfect race (in this case, Stenhouse) should be punished simply for doing what he is supposed to do, whilst a driver who was off the pace and should have lost a lap or two to the leader, is allowed to benefit from this. And I know we've butted heads with this one before, but I don't even think that blown engine deserved a caution, at least not without them even waiting to actually observe the situation rather than simply throwing the flag at the first sight of smoke. Interfering with a race with the intention of "improving competition" in ANY way at all is simply wrong, no excuses. 40. 00andJoe posted: 09.27.2011 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have no problem with debris cautions, as long there is actual debris where the cars are racing, or close enough to where it could get into the racing groove." Agreed. That hunk of metal was smack in the groove; even plastic and other bits in the groove should probably be OK with cautioning, after all, from the spotters' stands it's hard to tell what something's made of... ...but I'm still going to fume over that caution for the soda can on the apron earlier this year! As I suggested elsewhere, the safety crews should be required to hold up retrieved debris for the cameras, and the cameras should be required to show it in the telecast. Remove all doubt! As for SPEED vs ESPN: I think lingering sentiment in favor of SPEED comes from how ESPN absolutely -butchered-* their NASCAR coverage up through the first half of this year. (Including only showing half the starting grid** for one Nationwide race, and in another the starting grid had about the first...six cars? then started running -blank placeholders-!!) But they've really stepped up their coverage since their Cup races started (now if we can just get rid of Marty Reid in Nationwide too***) while SPEED has been circling the toilet.**** * - Speaking of which, is anyone else severely dissapointed by how ESPN's handling Monday Night Football these days? Especially this year's music. :( ** - I've laid off my criticism of the "quickly scrolling, no car pics" starting grids a bit. Yes, it would be nice to see the full pictorial grid like they did in the late 1990s, but watching older races I've seen that a lot of grids from back then were just driver name and number, four to a page...so while it could be better, it's alright. And with teams changing paint schemes and sponsors on a rotating-door basis, it would be hard to keep up. *** - Just as long as they don't replace him with Ray Dunlap. If they did that I'd be looking for the ceremonial hara-kiri knife. Ray's good in the pits and hilarious in outtake/promotional segments, but in the booth he made me look for a pair of earplugs and two asprin. **** - Especially since they came out with "The Car Show"... 41. 00andJoe posted: 09.27.2011 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Misinformation - That might be true about Crum, but that particular bit of detail can't be laid at SPEED's fault (except for their not double-checking things); the whole "first Native American (driver/team)" bit came directly from the team's and NASCAR's press releases, I believe. 42. 00andJoe posted: 09.27.2011 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and for the hat trick: Ron Hornaday is out of the #33 this week at Kentucky. Instead KHI's playing the car-number game FRM mastered last year, and he's running the #2 while Cale Gale is in the #33. Gale, it should be noted, is rumoured to be getting either the #8 or #33 full-time next year when ESR takes over the teams. 43. Matt posted: 09.27.2011 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Car owner of the #73 for A.J. Russell was David Melton. The #73 team was the first team to compete in a major NASCAR event with both a Native American owner and driver. 44. cjs3872 posted: 09.28.2011 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 00andJoe, if you have ever watched the 1982 Indianapolis 500 broadcast, you'd notice that ABC profiled the drivers on the starting grid one-by-one in order of starting position, something they did for a number of years, although they were able to since those broadcasts were on same-day tape-delay. ABC didn't start broadcasting Indy live until 1986, a race postponed twice and delayed six days due to rain. Ironic that the first live start-to-finish telecasts of both the Daytona 500 (1979) and the Indianapolis 500 (1986) were adversely affected by rain. Although I believe that ABC would like to have broadcasted the Daytona 500 start-to-finish in 1977 and '78, because of what happened in '76, but the higher-ups at ABC didn't want to take that risk due to the possiblility of rain (which was a BIG problem during SpeedWeeks 1978, so much so that it caused the track to tear up in the third and fourth turns, similar to what happened in truns one and two in 2010), so other sports programming, such as "Superstars" was inserted instead, as ABC treated the hours before the Daytona 500 much like CBS began treating the hours before Super Bowl in 1978 by creating what is now known as "Super Sunday", 13 months before televising the 1979 Daytona 500 start-to-finish. 45. cjs3872 posted: 09.28.2011 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, my refernce to "what happened in '76" in my last post not only refers to the finish of the 1976 Daytona 500, but also the final round of the U.S. Open golf championship at the Atlanta Athletic Club later that year. Back then, ABC came on about 60-90 minutes into the final round of the U.S. Open, but in 1976, the final round was delayed by rain, and as it just so happened, ABC's live broadcast of the final round of the U.S. Open that year started not long before the final group was to tee off on the first hole, thus enabling ABC to, for the first time, show all 18 holes of a final round live, meaning that they were on the air live for between four and five hours that day. It proved so popular that beginning in 1977, the final round of the U.S. Open would be shown covering all 18 holes for the leaders. And I believe that some at ABC Sports wanted to provide the Daytona 500 in 1977 and definately in 1978 with the same coverage, but the higher-ups thought it to be too risky, due to possibility of a rain-out. Ironically, when ABC showed up to do the Indy 500 live for the first time in 1986, those fears came true, not once, but twice, and a race scheduled for May 25, wasn't run until May 31. 46. 44andJoe posted: 12.29.2012 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #93 owner: Rod Sieg. 47. PCRaceFan0006 posted: 12.11.2015 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WD #14 Brennan Newberry NTS, Inc. Bob Newberry Chevrolet Newberry attempted to qualify but crashed on his lap and with no backup truck, was forced to pack up and go home. 48. Analyst posted: 06.17.2020 - 2:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was at this race and I actually fell asleep in the turn 1 grandstand. Thankfully the short ACT late model race that followed was a great race and wakened me from my truck series slumber. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: