|| *Comments on the 2017 N.C. Education Lottery 200:* View the most recent comment <#65> | Post a comment <#post> 1. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.19.2017 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Didn't think the 12 was below Norm and Jennifer in points. Brown spun, was allowed to change tires, appeared to have a fluid leak and still missed 2. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.19.2017 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scratch the Norm and Jen part. Forgot about the points change 3. LandonFandon34 posted: 05.19.2017 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, Norm and Jen are actually pretty high in owner points right now. 4. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.19.2017 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Norms top 15 5. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.19.2017 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) C. Bell with a problem 6. joey2448 posted: 05.19.2017 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ross Chastain running seventh at the end of the first stage! Impressive. 7. joey2448 posted: 05.19.2017 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Parker Kligerman has taken the lead in stage two! Looking good out front! 8. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.19.2017 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ross Chastain is running for points in the wrong series I think. 9. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes it's because he spun, but Norm got some focus on tv 10. Pathetic posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Peeked on Nascar.com for a second...........yup, another pointless race with all stages won by the only Cup invader in the race who will no doubt end up getting another pointless win thus messing up point chances for the truck regulars who actually belong out there, making it two useless races in a row. Pathetic. 11. RaceFanX posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch won Stage 2. Austin Wayne Self got into Regan Smith and Smith crashed into the outside hard driver's side first. Smith was okay nut the #92 F-150 wasn't. 12. RaceFanX posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 20 to go amd Rowdy has them covered by almost 2 seconds. Christopher Bell looks like the only guy in the same ZIP Code. 13. RaceFanX posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bell lost a lap early but has recovered to second. Ben Rhodes was up in the fight early but has fallen to fifth. 14. RaceFanX posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnny Sauter uses every inch of the track right to the wall. He's still fourth behind Busch, Bell, and Matt Crafton. 15. RaceFanX posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Mills spins late to brimg out a yellow. Everyone gets one last shot at Kyle. 16. RaceFanX posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch wins it in a three-lap shootout. 17. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Maybe if Kyle did not run these lower series races, maybe he would've won a cup race by now 18. JeffGordon24FanForever posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle wins easily, no one had a chance tonight. 19. JeffGordon24FanForever posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @17 But he can't run less races because he "loves racing". But bad luck has kept him from winning Cup races. 20. Altracing posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sooner or later NASCAR is going to realize that cup guys winning in lower divisions isn't going to help their ratings. But knowing them the last few years it's unlikely they'll change their minds. 21. Anonymous posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) less than 20 comments for the truck race... well deserved, I think. 22. Pathetic posted: 05.19.2017 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yawn.....cue Mannoroth defending another pointless win by Kyle. With every one of these useless races more fans drift away. Biased blind fools do not see it, but the stands do not lie. 23. Anonymous posted: 05.19.2017 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Abysmal 24. PenskeGuy posted: 05.19.2017 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If fans need Cup drivers to race in the Truck races in order to watch them or show up to them, they're not really watching for the product of racing itself, they're watching only because certain names are in the field. That's about all I have to say regarding this race. 25. Tyson posted: 05.19.2017 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) The crappy part is the race itself was pretty good. Just the winner ruins it. 26. Nucl3ar Wa4le posted: 05.19.2017 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #8 - Fire Alarm Services #51 - Cessna / Beechcraft 27. Mannoroth posted: 05.19.2017 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 17. Total BS. Kyle is running much less lower series races than usual (this was only his 6th lower series start) thanks to those limits. And he's one of those drivers that needs these lower series races as a practice to Cup races. Him running lower series races like usual doesn't have anything to do with the fact he's winless in Cup so far. Don't forget he dominated at Phoenix and Martinsville... and that will tell you he's capable of winning. 22. No Kyle Busch's lower series win is pointless. It's pointless in your world, because you consider it that way. This win helped him to get even closer to Ron Hornaday's record of 51 Truck wins. Now just 3 to go to tie him and 4 to go to surpass him. It's coming... deal with it. And by the way - he has 2 additional starts in the #46 at Kentucky and Bristol to his 5 races in the #51, if you don't know it yet. 28. Jim Davis posted: 05.19.2017 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) /Sooner or later NASCAR is going to realize that cup guys winning in lower divisions isn't going to help their ratings./ Cup guys are not running these races to jack up the ratings, although I'm sure they would be delighted if that were the case. Cup guys are running these races so they can secure sponsorship for these teams. Parker Kligerman and other drivers aren't out of rides because Kyle Busch, Joey Logano, Brad Keselowski, etc are running lower series races. They are out of rides because sponsors won't sponsor them. It's not a question of Kyle Busch or Parker Kligerman; it's Kyle Busch or no one at all. I don't like cup drivers in lower series any more that the next guy but please keep in mind that if the cup drivers are banned, sponsorships will dry up, teams will fold, and people will be out of work. 29. Pathetic posted: 05.19.2017 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Yup....right on schedule, there is the pointless response from Mannoroth to go with the pointless win by Kyle. He never fails to show his fan boyness is full glory. 30. Maverick19 posted: 05.20.2017 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And he's one of those drivers that needs these lower series races as a practice to Cup races." And why is that? 31. 1995z71 posted: 05.20.2017 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) ZZZzzzZZZ..... 32. Tyson posted: 05.20.2017 - 1:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And he's one of those drivers that needs these lower series races as a practice to Cup races." To quote you; total BS. He has more than 10 years experience as a Cup driver. He doesn't need additional practice in Trucks. 33. Mannoroth posted: 05.20.2017 - 1:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 30. It helps him and not just his sponsors... 32. Tell that to his sponsors. If there's a good deal, only a fool would refuse it - and especially to someone like Banfield Pet Hospital. 34. Mannoroth posted: 05.20.2017 - 1:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 28. Well said. If NASCAR really wanted Cup drivers out of lower series races, they would annouce back in 1981 that no Cup driver is allowed to enter a Xfinity race. The same for Trucks in 1994. But they didn't do it and there's the result - complaining, complaining and complaining about the same thing over and over again, because some people still don't get it... "You can do anything you set your mind to, man." isn't just the last sentence in Eminem's song Lose Yourself. It applies to Buschwhacking as well and Kyle Busch is the example how it can be done. 35. Larson42 posted: 05.20.2017 - 1:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty obvious why he added two races. Wants the record this year so his fan boys can fawn over how amazing a cup champion is to have the most truck series in history. If Jimmie Johnson or Jeff Gordon had half the ego of Busch he'd probably have 10-20 less wins in each series because he can't beat the best on such a consistent basis. He's proven that in cup where he consistently wins on Saturday and falls short on Sunday. His legacy to me is still that of a great minor league driver. Even with the cup wins and the most ridiculous cup title in history (imagine if the guys in the 80s and 90s could've skipped until the Coke 600 and still had a shot because of a stupid gimmick playoff system) I still think of him beating up had beens and rookies in the Lowe circuits before anything he's accomplished in cup. A couple legit cup titles and maybe reach JJ or Gordon's win total may change my mind but he's not there yet. 36. Tyson posted: 05.20.2017 - 2:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor wise I get it, Mannoroth. I just don't get your argument that a Cup champion and 10+ year Cup veteran *needs* to run these races for practice. 37. Anthony posted: 05.20.2017 - 3:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another lower series race, another Cup driver win 38. Mannoroth posted: 05.20.2017 - 7:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 35. I don't think it's pretty wise to involve JJ into this. He's an amazing driver in Cup, but he just sucks, when he goes lower. Those 21 starts in ELITE equipment and not a single win just confirm it. On the other hand, Jeff Gordon would be a great Buschwhacker (won twice in 11 starts in his own equipment), but he thought this makes him look bad and stopped. So it's pretty smart not to race there and let the maestro do his job in Johnson's case. "He's proven that in cup where he consistently wins on Saturday and falls short on Sunday." And you know why it is that way? Because Xfinity and Trucks are like the Winston Cup in 1970s and 1980s - just a few cars on the front, the rest was just crap with many laps back. Cup has changed and so did the level of competition. But still - he and Brad Keselowski (excluding JJ) are the only drivers that are able to win on regular basis since the starts of their careers. They didn't have some very bad and winless years (except for one in Brad's case, but it doesn't affect his starts:number of wins average) like Kyle Larson or Joey Logano. However, such a dominance like in JJ or Gordon's case is nearly impossible now - too high competition level is the reason why 6-7 wins per season is the maximum amount of wins driver can get nowadays. Have you ever wondered why there's such a gap between Johnson and the rest of active drivers in number of wins? Because Johnson is something else thanks to his superior car and when he retires, 38 wins of Kyle Busch and Matt Kenseth will be considered as very good, or even superior. But both of them, Harvick, Keselowski, Logano and others are still a joke against Johnson (as far as this is concerned). "Even with the cup wins and the most ridiculous cup title in history..." He would win that title anyway, if he didn't injure himself at Daytona. I really don't think it would be much different without his accident - Joe Gibbs would struggle a little bit at the beginning of the season, but since the Coca-Cola 600, they would be on fire. And if you still think he wouldn't win the title in 2015, he would win it in 2016, if the old Chase rules were still in place (and despite intentionally boycotting the Talladega race). So remove the whole Chase format and Kyle is still just a better Cup driver without the title... 39. bb posted: 05.20.2017 - 7:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) at least Kyle does give tips to young drivers 40. 23andJoe posted: 05.20.2017 - 7:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #28: And the apocalypse you fortell didn't happen in the late 90s when Mark Martin was the only regular "Buschwhacker", because...? 41. Windows Millennium Edition posted: 05.20.2017 - 9:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 7th place in stage 1 wasn't the #44. The #66 was. 42. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 05.20.2017 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chase Owner Standings 1. 51 KBM 2 win 2. 4 KBM 1 win. 3. 24 GMS 1 win 4. 33 GMS 1 win 5. 21 GMS 242 points 6. 88 Thorsport 191 points 7. 29 BKR 171 points 8. 27 Thorsport 170 points 8. 17 Red Horse 170 points Playoff Points 1. 51 KBM 14 points 2. 4 KBM 7 points 3. 24 GMS 6 points 4. 33 GMS 5 points 5. 21 GMS 3 points Kyle not running until Kentucky, so i expect Rhodes, Sauter, Crafton, maybe Truex and Briscoe to win 43. Mannoroth posted: 05.20.2017 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 40. Because Mark Martin just can't do anything wrong. Don't you understand? He can do anything he set his mind to (like running the whole season in Xfinity or Trucks for the title for many years, which he never did and it still would be okay). Because he's the Mark Martin!!! He can't be or do anything wrong - that's impossible!!! And now back to reality - he's the one along with Kevin Harvick, who started this. Others just got inspired by them and started doing it as well (this applies for Kyle Busch and his Cup buddies, too). 44. Spen posted: 05.20.2017 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Actually, the practice can be dated back to Fonty Flock winning the Modified title in '49 while running the full Strictly Stock schedule. 45. Ak47 posted: 05.20.2017 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @43 Busch-whacking was done frequently before Harvick by Martin, the Intimidator himself, Terry Labonte, Jeff Burton, and many other legends...Biffle was actually the first, in 2004 (not counting Harvick in 2001 due to the circumstances) to run the full NXS for the title alongside his Cup ride. Once Edwards picked it up in 2005 and Harvick did it in 2006 along with several of the rookies (Hamlin, Yeley, and Bowyer) along with Kyle Busch's first Busch-whacking season, it was full-on too late to stop it. Cup drivers were having too much fun dominating. Looking back, thank God NASCAR did what they did in 2012 because there was nothing stopping Busch, Edwards, Harvick, Kes, Logano, Bowyer, and others from continuing to steal all the NXS glory with full-time title campaigns 46. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 05.20.2017 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle win his 7th race at Charlotte and 48th career win in trucks. Only 3 wins away from Hornaday now. Kyle has 904 Nascar starts, 173 wins, 440 Top 5s, 569 top 10s, and Avg Finish of 10.3 Kyle wins at Tracks 1. Bristol 17 wins 2. Charlotte 15 wins 3. Phoenix 13 wins 4. Texas 13 wins 5. Dover 11 wins 6. Fontana 11 wins 7. Chicago 10 wins 8. Richmond 10 wins 9. Loudon 10 wins 10. Atlanta 8 wins 11. Kansas 7 wins 12. Kentucky 6 wins 13. Indy 5 wins 14. Homestead 5 wins 15. Talladega 4 wins 16. Michigan 4 wins 17. Daytona 3 wins 18. Darlington 3 wins 19. Nashville 3 wins 20. ORP 3 wins 21. Sonoma 2 wins 22. Las Vegas 2 wins 23. Martinsville 2 wins 24. Watkins Glen 2 wins 25. Pocono 1 win 26. Iowa 1 win 27. Gateway 1 win 28. Meixco City 1 win --------------------- Best finish at tracks he hasn't won at 29. Memphis 2nd (NXS 2009) 30. Milwaukee 2nd (NXS 2009) 31. Rockingham 7th (NXS Twice) 32. Montreal 10th (NXS Twice) 33. Nazareth 10th (NXS 2004) 34. Pikes Peak 17th (NXS 2004) 35. Cicero 17th (Trucks 2001) 36. South Boston 33rd (Trucks 2001) 47. Tyson posted: 05.20.2017 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) While Kyle does have 15 wins at Charlotte, not one of them has come in a Cup car. 48. Lucstar88 posted: 05.20.2017 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I won't offer my opinion on Kyle because I've said it plenty before so what's the point lol. I wanted to point out the amazing run Ryan Truex had with Hattori! 4th place is an amazing finish! 49. Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted: 05.20.2017 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @45 Here's the thing look at the owners Martin - Roush Harvick - Childress Busch - Gibbs Keselowski - Penske Notice something? Most of their success is with their cup owners. I think cup owners are the bigger issue. Especially when you put them w/ cup drivers. 50. chevyfan98 posted: 05.20.2017 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex is also tied for the final spot in the chase as it stands. 51. LandonFandon34 posted: 05.20.2017 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Truex was somewhere around 7th with 2 laps to go, and then he just got this mega run and powered by Peters and Crafton. Give a call to T.J. Bell and J.J. Yeley as well, finishing 14th and 15th. 52. Sector posted: 05.20.2017 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A couple legit cup titles and maybe reach JJ or Gordon's win total may change my mind but he's not there yet." He's a Cup champion in reality, so let's face reality please. I don't hear ANYONE whining about Jimmie Johnson at all. Because of his lack of lower series starts? Double standard much? Also, people who still complain... you all realize the rules that have taken in effect this year. You know very well Kyle Busch, who LOVES to race, will participate as much as he can/want. The fact that people like "Pathetic" is absolutely being a toxic is quite sad, and it has NOTHING To do with Kyle Busch whatsoever. Congrats Kyle on the win. Go for that win #52 for a nice accomplishment, while you go for #100 in Xfinity and #50 in Cup. I would love Kyle to actually score the most points under the "Non-Chase Standings," however. I really thought he had it last year but didn't. Harvick/Logano were just in the classes of their own from 2014-2016. Why is Kyle running the #46 truck at Kentucky anyway? 53. Mannoroth posted: 05.21.2017 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 52. Exactly. He doesn't realize the rules are different now - it would be pretty rare to see someone dominate like Gordon or Johnson. And without it, you can't catch up to them. Heck, even Johnson has never won more than 6 times a season in 2010s... It's like saying he won't respect Kyle, until he surpasses Petty in number of wins in Cup. And that completely ridiculous, because Petty had over 50 starts per season and even weaker competition than Kyle in lower series. And also for #200 in professional NASCAR wins (or #201, if somebody wants to have Convertible Series on the same level as Xfinity). Maybe you don't know it, but Kyle would win the title last year, if the old Chase rules were still in place and despite intentionally boycotting the Talladega race. We'll see, if he has the most points at the end of the season someday - and then haters can't say he would be completely without the title, hehe. 54. RaceFanX posted: 05.22.2017 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Timothy Peters picks up his first top-5 finish of the season but the news afterward was bittersweet when Red Horse Racing announced just three days after this race it would have to suspend operations due to a lack of sponsorship. Only time will tell if they'll be able to return. 55. TeamDCR fan posted: 05.22.2017 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm surprised that Red Horse has lasted this long since neither truck has had full sponsorship for several years. That really does suck though 56. Anonymous posted: 05.22.2017 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Could be the Last Starts for Timothy Peters and Brett Moffit. 57. Anthony posted: 05.22.2017 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The Truck series is really going downhill quickly 58. Anonymous posted: 05.22.2017 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @57 That's a bit of a stretch. There are still plenty of great drivers and teams left, plus the racing is still pretty good in the series. I'll start getting worried when only 20-25 trucks show up every week. 59. Maverick19 posted: 05.22.2017 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Truck series is really going downhill quickly" After looking like it was at near-death in 2014, it was MUCH better last year. Chill. 60. Mannoroth posted: 05.27.2017 - 7:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 59. 100 % agree. It was way worse from 2008 till 2011, when Kyle and Kevin were racing A LOT. And especially 2011, when Kevin ran all those races just to make sure Kyle won't win them all. Hehe, he did a really good job, because Kyle still won more races than him that year... And even Kevin had to put Hornaday in his #2 Truck just to make sure KHI wins the Owners title... 61. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 05.27.2017 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crew Chief Update #10 Tim Silva 62. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 06.04.2017 - 10:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Updates #50 Rick Ware #63 Michael Peck #12 Mark Beaver 63. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 06.04.2017 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Update #51 Cessna / Beechcraft 64. TTaylor944 posted: 06.07.2020 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With the win in this race Kyle Busch put the #51 in victory lane for the 37th time between himself, Aric Almirola, Erik Jones, and Daniel Suarez. This marked the first time that the #51 would assume the all-time lead in Truck Series victories. 65. Bodyblower posted: 06.20.2020 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Camden Murphy was originally entered in the 63 but was replaced by Todd Peck. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: