|| *Comments on the 2012 Gatorade Duel 150 #1:* View the most recent comment <#42> | Post a comment <#post> Tweet 1. H8R posted: 02.23.2012 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Danica Patrick crash at the end looked rough. I'm glad she came out OK. That being said, I wish they wouldn't throw the caution flag so quickly on the last lap of the race. They could have easily raced to the finish there without any kind of problem. Tony Stewart sure does look tough this year at Daytona. 2. RaceFanX posted: 02.23.2012 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael Waltrip makes a mistake trying to re-enter the track on the backstretch and spins into a crash after misjudging the banking. He crashed out and DNQed for the 500 because of it. Danica Patrick runs her first in a Cup car and crashes HARD on the last lap. 3. 10andJoe posted: 02.23.2012 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Note that at the moment the standings as shown for Duel One are incorrect. They do reflect how the cars came across the line; however, the caution had come out half a lap before, freezing the field. NASCAR.com has the results as follows: 14 88 9 31 99 98 29 22 7 1 6 21 2 34 43 10 11 40 30 37 32 38 42 27 83 4. NadeauFan91 posted: 02.23.2012 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Waltrip proves that he has no talent once again, yet I'm hearing he's buying Robby 's spot, lovely... 5. AYO MAGGOTS posted: 02.23.2012 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Typical Speed/FOX latching on to one driver every year during the duels and showing heavy favoritism for said driver to make the race. It's usually Kenny Wallace or Mikey or somebody else that is related some way to the "Speed Family". 6. H8R posted: 02.23.2012 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Waltrip proves that he has no talent once again, yet I'm hearing he's buying Robby 's spot, lovely..." Robby would be insane to give his spot up to Michael, even if he was offered a lot of money. It's the Daytona 500. I would rather see him in the booth than watch him take a spot someone else earned to get into the race. 7. New 14&88 Fan posted: 02.23.2012 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "yet I'm hearing he's buying Robby 's spot, lovely..." That had better be a rumor 8. Talon64 posted: 02.23.2012 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think Robby was sarcastic in his comment about selling his ride to Mikey, especially if you remember their on-track history. 9. Scott B posted: 02.23.2012 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Along with Robby Gordon, Michael McDowell was the other driver to race in to the 500 from this race on finishing position. Terry Labonte will also transfer in on his champion's provisional. 10. ii posted: 02.23.2012 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Robby would be insane to give his spot up to Michael, even if he was offered a lot of money. It's the Daytona 500. I would rather see him in the booth than watch him take a spot someone else earned to get into the race." I'd rather watch Mikey in the 500 than with Darrell in the booth. You obviously haven't watched a Truck race with both of them in the booth. 11. cjs3872 posted: 02.23.2012 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Doesn't it seem odd that, combined with the secod qualifying race, five drivers, including Terry Labonte, did start-and-parks in the qualifying races. Besides Labonte, the other one from this race were Landon Cassill and David Stremme. It seems pretty obvious that BK Racing, which is formerly Red Bull Racing, is a start-and-park team, as both cars did that in their qualifying races, running a total of 12 laps. It seems that Landon Cassill just can't hide from this start-and-park shadow, as it looks like after a year of running most of the races to their distance last year, he's back to being a start-and-park driver. Right now, I look for both BK Racing cars to S&P in the Daytona 500, and possibly one or two others. Sadly, this preditcion of mine seems to be coming true, as I had predicted start-and-parks for the Daytona 500 for the first time since 1972. 12. Michael McDowell's #1 Fan posted: 02.23.2012 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BK racing said they are committed to running full races, including the 500, but neither car has a backup this weekend, and they couldn't risk getting in a wreck in the duels. 13. 10andJoe posted: 02.23.2012 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) cjs3872 - I'm honestly not surprised at all. Those teams were locked in; and, as noted, some didn't have backup cars. Why risk tearing your equipment up? The only surprising thing is that more teams didn't park. 14. Red posted: 02.23.2012 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For cars in the top 35, the Duel races are a total waste of time. Starting position means nothing in plate racing, so there's really no disadvantage to parking in the Duels and starting near the back in the 500. For smaller teams, the risk of tearing up equipment doesn't come close to justifying the miniscule advantage of possibly starting up front in the 500. As long as the top 35 rule is in place, I'd just as soon ditch the Duels altogether. For the 500, line up the top 35 cars in order of qualifying time, then run a last chance race for everyone else who's not locked in. That way only the cars fighting for transfer spots would actually be racing. The Daytona 500 qualifying procedure has become so convoluted that it's basically irrelevant at this point. I remember when I used to tape the Twin 125's and come home from school eager to watch them. Now, I always miss the Duels because of work and I don't even care. 15. Urethra Franklin posted: 02.23.2012 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor/owner corrections. Sponsors are based on photos of the cars, available on Jayski.com. 10-Danica Patrick, owner: Stewart Haas Racing. This was an owners points swap, though Baldwin is involved with the team. 40-Michael Waltrip, owner: Mike Hillman. 30-David Stremme, sponsor: R&B Transport Refinishes 37-Mike Wallace, owner: Rick Ware. Gunselman didn't officially sell the team to Ware, but for all intents and purposes the team is now Rick Ware Racing. 16. ch posted: 02.23.2012 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually the 10 is owned by Baldwin as Reutimann will be driving the majority of the races and the owners points will be TBR's in 2013. Baldwin even stated that he was excited to have two cars in the 500, ie: 10/36. Correct on all the other changes though. 17. Urethra Franklin posted: 02.23.2012 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From what I understand, the cars/crew/equipment etc. are Stewart Haas, but the owners points are Tommy Baldwins and the cars are housed in his shop. That's how Mike Joy explained it. Also, Marcos Ambrose's sponsor package is Stanly/DeWalt Tools. Stanley is on the hood and DeWalt is on the side. 18. ch posted: 02.24.2012 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The crew has members from both teams with a majority being SHR when Danica runs, and the majority being TBR when Reutimann runs. Technically all the cars have to be registered to Tommy since he owns the points, but they are SHR chassis when Danica runs. 19. ch posted: 02.24.2012 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One more thing, I think that the team of the 98 should be changed to Phil Parsons Racing since it is a combination of Parsons, Curb, and Whitney. Similar to how you have the BK Racing and not one individual owner. 20. Cooper posted: 02.24.2012 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell Yeah Robby G! 21. Watto posted: 02.24.2012 - 2:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It seems pretty obvious that BK Racing, which is formerly Red Bull Racing, is a start-and-park team, as both cars did that in their qualifying races, running a total of 12 laps." I don't believe they have backup cars for this weekend which is why they parked in the duels. I would be pretty surprised if they park on Sundays any time soon. I'm almost positive that BK Racing is not a S&P team, even though I totally understand your skepticism. "Right now, I look for both BK Racing cars to S&P in the Daytona 500, and possibly one or two others. Sadly, this preditcion of mine seems to be coming true, as I had predicted start-and-parks for the Daytona 500 for the first time since 1972." I disagree with your prediction. There are some teams that made the 500 which will likely park at some other tracks, but I don't think they'll be parking in the 500. 22. cjs3872 posted: 02.24.2012 - 9:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watto, I hope you're right, but something definately smells about five cars locked in just parking in the qualifying races, though David Stremme did run about half of his qualifying race. And let's not forget that it pays $250,000+ just to start the race, so if there was any race to do a start-and-park, it would be this one. After all, teams do start-and-parks largely because they can't afford the tire bills, as well as the expense of engines, as well as not to risk crashing. That, plus the $250,000+ it pays just to start, and it just wouldn't surprise me if the lower-budget teams do S&P's for this race, especially considering that it doesn't pay that much more to finish 10th than it does to just start the race, and if these lower budget teams don't think they can come anywhere near the top ten, why wouldn't they start-and-park? It would make a lot of sense from their point of view. 23. Schroeder51 posted: 02.24.2012 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not a Danica fan, but glad to see she walked away from that crash. Damn, that was a ugly crash! 24. ch posted: 02.24.2012 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NOBODY is starting and parking Daytona, BK is RACING (they parked the duels since they have a whopping total of 3 cars for the entire week), the 26 has enough funding combined with the purse to race (parked the duels because it is their only car), the 30 will race (parked the duel since they only have 5-6 cars for the year), the 98 will race, and even the 87 will race. 25. ch posted: 02.24.2012 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Still think the 98 should be Phil Parsons Racing, similar to BK Racing. 26. Watto posted: 02.24.2012 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, you make good points on the reasons they would S&P at a race like this... although I guess the contrary might be that the high payout allows them to stretch their legs. Another factor is that teams find sponsorship help much easier when they make the 500 and have a blank car. It seems like in the last decade, teams that usually do a lot of parking do all they can to run the full 500. Maybe it's the prestige of the race that helps that along, and the thought that anything can happen on a SS... like Kirk Shelmerdine grabbing a top 20 some years back. 27. Bronco posted: 02.24.2012 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With that wreck, Waltrip should never again talk about his history at Daytona after pulling a move that even a rookie would be ashamed about which ended his 25 year streak of racing in the Daytona 500. The sad part is he only had to beat one other car to make the race after Mike Wallace's engine expired. In 2010 he also wrecked in the first duel but got saved when Scott Speed raced his way in allowing Waltrip to make it on his qualifying time. Although the #10 car took a vicious hit, they should have never allowed that race to end under caution since the wreck was far enough away from the track and was at the back of the field anyway. If the race had stayed green like it should have, Tony would not have won. Great comeback for Robby to make the 500 after showing some smoke on the first lap. Dale Jr will claim his third straight top 5 starting spot for the 500; he has started in the top 10 in every 500 except 2009. 28. cjs3872 posted: 02.24.2012 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The reason I say that it wouldn't surprise me if a couple of teams do a start-and-park in the Daytona 500 is this. Last year, J.J. Yeley finished last and got nearly $270,000. Mark Martin finished 10th and only got $50,000 more than Yeley got. That difference between 10th-place money and last place money is not very much at all, considering the possibility of being wrecked, or blowing an engine, not to mention the tire bill, which alone would be about $30,000-$50,000 for the week with all the practice sessions, as well as two, and in the case of those teams running the Shootout, three races. In fact, Robby Gordon has said that if he doesn't get a Penske engine for the Daytona 500 (he runs Dodges, as does Penske), he's going to do a start-and-park. In fact, if I had a team that I knew had no chance to succeed in the Daytona 500, I'd probably give doing a start-and-park some major consideration. 29. Spen posted: 02.25.2012 - 2:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The whole point of start-and-parking, even for people like Phil Parsons, is to get to the point where you no longer have to start-and-park. To do that, you need to attract a sponsor. What is the one race that any company that would be interested in sponsoring a Cup car watching? The Daytona 500. The other 35 weeks of parking all lead up to this one race. For this week, you're going to give it your all, get the best finish your team can possibly get, and if you're really lucky, someone will take notice, and sponsor you next week, and the weeks after. Plus, plate racing being completly different from the other races makes it a good place to go for broke. You can't really run this car at Pheonix (well, you can, but you probably won't make the field), so you don't have much to lose, and everything to gain. I don't believe any one of the cars attempting this year would have parked had they made it. 30. Spen posted: 02.25.2012 - 2:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The whole point of start-and-parking, even for people like Phil Parsons, is to get to the point where you no longer have to start-and-park. To do that, you need to attract a sponsor. What is the one race that any company that would be interested in sponsoring a Cup car watching? The Daytona 500. The other 35 weeks of parking all lead up to this one race. For this week, you're going to give it your all, get the best finish your team can possibly get, and if you're really lucky, someone will take notice, and sponsor you next week, and the weeks after. Plus, plate racing being completly different from the other races makes it a good place to go for broke. You can't really run this car at Pheonix (well, you can, but you probably won't make the field), so you don't have much to lose, and everything to gain. I don't believe any one of the cars attempting this year would have parked had they made it. 31. Spen posted: 02.25.2012 - 2:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oops, thought it didn't go through. 32. 10andJoe posted: 02.25.2012 - 6:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, the #30 now has a sponsor (Jeg's) for the race, I'm pretty sure that leaves the #26 as the only unsponsored car (and, thus, most likely S&P candidate) in the field? 33. cjs3872 posted: 02.25.2012 - 10:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 10andJoe, you forgot to add Robby Gordon, who has said that if he doesn't get a new engine from Penske that he's going to do a start-and-park (he's driving the only other Dodge in the race). Robby has also said that his ride for the Daytona 500 may be for sale, though I doubt he'd sell his ride for the race. If he does sell his ride, it wouldn't be the first time that someone that failed to qualify has bought their way into the Daytona 500. In 1988, Michael Waltrip failed to qualify, but his team bought the ride that Jim Sauter qualified for that race with, resulting in Waltrip starting that race in Sauter's #89 car. A year later, Kyle Petty failed to qualify in the debut for the new SabCo Racing team, and SabCo made a deal with Eddie Bierschwale's team to put Petty in the car oin the first caution. When Neil Bonnett's blown engine brought out the caution on lap 4, the driver change was made and Petty drove the rest of the race in Bierschwale's #23 car, even taking the lead for two laps, though Bierschwale officially got credit for everytinhg Petty did in the #23 car that day. Then in 1997, SabCo again failed to qualify a car, this time Joe Nemechek DNQ'd, and SabCo bought Phil Barkdoll's spot in the field so that Nemechek could be in the race. Now honestly, I don't see how this is any different than teams buying their way into guaranteed spots for the Daytona 500 through points transfers before SpeedWeeks begins, because it accomplishes the exact same goal. 34. Rusty posted: 02.25.2012 - 10:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor Bayne won the Daytona 500 last year and couldn't get a sponsor. I doubt Michael McDowell is going to pick up a sponsor from the race lol. 35. 18fan posted: 02.25.2012 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #26 team did pick up sponsorship from Rick Santorum's presidential campaign. 36. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 02.25.2012 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mikey screwed himself out of a spot in the 500 with the move he pulled in this Duel. Tony Stewart and Dale Jr 1-2? This looks so familiar to all those times they hooked up and finished 1-2 on plate tracks from 2001-2005, although Jr won most of those. 37. Watto posted: 02.26.2012 - 1:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The reason I say that it wouldn't surprise me if a couple of teams do a start-and-park in the Daytona 500 is this. Last year, J.J. Yeley finished last and got nearly $270,000. Mark Martin finished 10th and only got $50,000 more than Yeley got." Yeah, but it's not like the payout structure is new. It's been like that for years. If that's the reason it'll happen this year for the first time since the 70s, then why didn't it happen last year or the year before or the year before that? I mean, your points are valid as far as the reasons, it's just that I would personally bet on everybody attempting the full race. It's easier to get sponsors for the 500 once you're in the race, and the payout is so much higher that people actually stretch their legs. We've had these S&P teams for years floating around the 500 and I'm pretty certain that Robby will find a way to run the full race just like the other underdog teams do every year. "In fact, Robby Gordon has said that if he doesn't get a Penske engine for the Daytona 500 (he runs Dodges, as does Penske), he's going to do a start-and-park." Where did he say that? I've looked and looked and haven't seen anything. He's said that he wants a Penske engine just to have a more competitive effort because his engine was running too hot in a pack and obviously Arrington doesn't make the power that Penske does, but I don't think he said he's gonna S&P if he doesn't get a Penske engine. 38. Jamie88fan@yahoo.com posted: 02.26.2012 - 11:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nascar needs to get rid of this top 35 rule period make everyone race for there spots ... 39. cjs3872 posted: 02.26.2012 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watto, I believe I saw that somewhere about Robby doing a start-and-park if he didn't get a new engine, because he believed the one he had was uncompetitve and wouldn't last very long due to the overheating issues he had in Thursday's qualifying race. But if he can nurse his car to the finish, he might get a top ten by just finishing, even if he's not on the lead lap. 40. the_man posted: 02.28.2012 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan on a 14th place finish: "I learned that guys are still sliding all over the place and driving aggressive. We had a lot more to lose in that race than to gain. If we could have won it that would have been great, but whether you finished third or 10th or 15th there is really no difference except maybe a couple hundred bucks. We have our eye on the 500 and we just rode around and played it safe. I am looking forward to getting our race engine in and getting ready for Sunday." 41. jamie88fan@yahoo.com posted: 01.12.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The good thing is this is the last duals with the top 35 this year the old way is back .... This was a joke pretty much parking it cause they had a starting postion .... 42. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 07.21.2014 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Update #10 Stewart Haas Racing #98 Mike Curb (Same for all the races in 2012) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: