|| *Comments on the 2013 Sprint All-Star Race:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. The Long Shot posted: 05.17.2013 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go David Ragan! 2. RaceFanX posted: 05.18.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Qualifying for this race had an interesting twist. The All-star race's time trials have always included a pit stop but in an old-school twist NASCAR removed the pit road speed limit requirements for it (and took safety measures so that would work). Quite interesting to see guys booking it down pit road at 155 MPH, Marcos Ambrose almost crashed it in the process of stopping. Kevin Harvick's time was disallowed after he slid somewhat out of his pitbox stopping from speed then his team didn't catch the mistake and started service anyway. Joey Lagano on the other hand qualified in the top-5 despite sliding through his box and having to take a second to back up. 3. Alex posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick was starting at the back anyways because of an engine change, so I assume they just went ahead and the pitstop anyways. 4. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope Carl wins tonight. Win it for Dick Trickle, Carl. Dick's passing really is a big story. It's one of the leading stories on Google, but ESPN doesn't mention it during their programs, the jerks. 5. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Dick Trickle, does anyone else fell a sense of irony in that Carl Edwards is on the pole with Trickle's name on top of his car. Edwards' current crew chief, Jimmy Fennig, was Trickle's crew chief when he won the NASCAR Rookie of the Year in 1989 while he drove for the Stavola Brothers for the first time. Remember the car Trickle drove in 1989 was originally Bobby Allison's car, with which Fennig won twice at Daytona with as a crew chief. It was renumbered from 12 to 84 when Mike Alexander replaced him and Trickle got that ride when Alexander was injured. In addition, Kurt Busch, who also had Fennig as a crew chief when he was with Roush (they won a championship together), will start on the outside of the front row. I'm not sure anyone involved in this year's All-Star Race is feeling the loss of Trickle more than Matt Kenseth, Mark Martin, who won the 1998 All-Star Race with Fennig as crew chief, or Fennig himself, and wouldn't it be something if Kenseth, Edwards, Martin, and Busch, four of the five drivers in the All-Star Race that had Fennig as a crew chief (David Ragan is the other one) could, in any order, finish 1-2-3-4. Also, there are, for the second consecutive year, 11 drivers in the race that have won the All-Star Race, going back to 1995 (none of those that won any of the first 10 All-Star Races are in the field, hence my beginning with the 1995 race). However, the odds are very much against Carl Edwards winning it, as no pole sitter has won this race in the last 20 years. the last pole sitter to win this race was Davey Allison in 1992, though much of that has to do with the inversions that began in 1992, and other format changes in the years since. And also, if Jayski is to be believed, we're going to hear a blast from the past, as none other than the legendary Keith Jackson, who was the lead broadcaster for this race in 1987 and '88 for ABC, narrated a piece that's supposed to air, I believe on the pre-race show. Of course, doing the race in 1987 meant that Jackson was the voice for the infamous "Block in the Grass", which was what that was when Earnhardt blocked Bill Elliott so viciously, nd then did the same to Terry Labonte on the next lap when he got all the way alongside Earnhardt. That was a case of Earnhardt being so preoccupied with Elliott that he almost gave the race to Terry Labonte. 6. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Im almost certain Logano would be on pole if he didnt slide just that little bit through his pit He was Flying! 7. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I hope Carl wins tonight. Win it for Dick Trickle, Carl." I will have no problem with Carl winning tonight. I'll be pulling for Jeff Gordon, but Carl will be a very close second. 8. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 05.18.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Why not make the all star race win count towards the wild card. 9. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) This has the potential to be the best All Star race in over five years. 10. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) SPUDTV has 4 hours of cringe-worthy pre-race. 11. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It certainly was interesting to hear both Keith Jackson and Ken Squier in the open to the special NASCAR RaceDay pre-race give you an indication of what the All-Star Race means. Personally, I'll take them over the crowd doing the telecasts now, or any time. One broadcasting legend wasn't enough for that piece, so we got two of them. But on SPEED Center, Sam Hornish, Jr. wasn't exacty impartial when he was asked about his all-time All-Star driver, and he chose Tim Richmond. Remember tht Hornish is from Defane, OH, and Richmond was from Ashland, OH, so there was probably some favortism toward his fellow Ohioan. When you talk about the old-time All-Stars (note I didn't say all-time), two rank above the rest, Dale Earnhardt, Sr. and Terry Labonte. Dale, Sr. was the first 3-time winner, a distinction that could easily have belonged to Terry Labonte instead. Actually, if he had raced intelligently in both 1992 and '95, Dale, Sr. could have won the race five times, because I believe he would have won the '92 race had he not blocked Kyle Petty like he did, because I think he would have beaten him to the line had they gotten side-by-side on that final lap, and he might have done to Jeff Gordon in 1995 that he did to Bill Elliott in 1987, and win with an inferior car. 12. RaceFanX posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) For newer fans Carl is running with Trickle's name above the door because while he never used in Cup or Busch #99 was Trickle's number in ASA and other short track series where he was at his most successful. 13. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course RaceFanX, let's not forget that Carl Edwards' crew chief Jimmy Fennig, was Trickle's crew chief when he won the NASCAR Rookie of the Year in 1989, and men like Mark Martin, Kurt Busch, and Matt Kenseth all raced and won at Roush with Fennig as their crew chief, and both Martin and Kenseth thought greatly of Trickle, so there might be some sentimentality toward Trickle from Roush's orgainzation. But while we think of Trickle as someone from NASCAR's last 20-25 years, let's not forget that he drove in the Daytona 500 in both 1970 and 1975, being in the huge multi-car crash on lap 4 in the 1975 race with, among others, country music legend Marty Robbins, J.D. McDuffie, and Jim Vandiver, who was driving a car owned by Ron Kselowski, Brad's uncle. Also, SPEED Center did it again. They showed a graphic showing Jeff Gordon as a "4-time" winner of the All-Star Race. That's at least the second time a SPEED graphic has made that particular error that I know of, because he's a 3-time winner. There are no 4-time winners of the All-Star Race. However Gordon's more than overdue for a good finish, since his last top 10 finish in the All-Star Race was all the way back in 2006, when he was third. Since then, he has only one finish better than 13th, though not all that has to do with poor performance. 14. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll be pulling for Carl Edwards tonight. Not only is he honoring Dick Trickle tonight by having his name on his car (not to mention having the same number that Trickle used in ASA), but also Jimmy Fennig is his crew chief, and Fennig of course was Trickle's crew chief back when he won Winston Cup Rookie of the Year honors in 1989. It's been awhile since I've pulled for "Cousin Carl" to win a race, but I'll be doing just that tonight. 15. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol, Speed is actually having a pretty cool segment right now with Rusty and DW together talking (and laughing) about their 1989 incident. 16. Kenny posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok why the hell is Jr 15th WTF harpooned? 17. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And murb, had they allowed Waltrip do get his spot back, Wallace would not have been celebrating in victory lane, but another Missourian would have, because they would almost certainly have wrecked, and Ken Schrader would have won that one. That was the first of three consecutive runner-up finishes in the All-Star Race for Schrader, yet he never led a lap in any of those three races. It's been said that HMS didn't have a handle on the Lumina, but their Luminas had a handle on Charlotte that year. Waltrip was leading the All-Star Race when he got spun out and Schrader finished second behind Wallace, Waltrip won the Coca-Cola 600, and Schrader won the fall 500-mile race there (in the #25, if you can believe it), all in 1989. But at least Wallace's car had a legal engine in it, unlike Waltrip's in 1985, which most people, myself included, think was an oversized engine. Even Neil Bonnett, who was Waltrip's teammate at that time, believed that Waltrip blew the engine just after the finish on purpose to keep NASCAR from inspecting it. Bill Elliott, who drove for Junior Johnson in later years, also believes that. Be that as it may, it makes what happened in the 1996 All-Star Race more ironic. That night, Wallace finished second, behind Michael Waltrip, Darrell's younger brother. So the Waltrip family did get a little All-Star payback on Rusty, seven years after the fact. 18. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenny, what happened to Dale, Jr. was the sane thing that happened to Matt Kenseth, and that was that they were penalized five seconds for having a loose lugnut after their pit stops. That's why Kenseth and Dale, Jr. both dropped so far in the line-up, from the top five or six to 15th and 16th. The top 14 in the line-up are the ones that were not penalized after their qualifying runs, with David Ragan naturally being last among them. (Jimmie Johnson was also not penalized by NASCAR, but he lost so much time after overshooting his pits that it didn't matter where he was concerned.) 19. Kenny posted: 05.18.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What jr could have got a top 5 starting spot ohhhhhhhhh goddammit Btwim not gonna be able to watch this one dew to not having speed channels so yeah unless my grand parents let me go over to there house and watch it I'm not gonna be able to(so you guys keep me in the know ok please 20. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? The Pass In The Grass only made SPEED's #3 moment in the history of this race? NUMBER THREE?!?!?!?!?! You have got to be freaking kidding me. Meanwhile Michael's completely forgetable win gets #5 and Darrell getting spun gets #2? What a blatently biased joke. While Darell getting spun out is always a positive, that moment in the '87 race only gets #3? Kiss my damn ass. First off, that 10 lap battle is what kept the Winston from becoming extinct. After the bomb scare attendance at Atlanta in '86, this was a make or break year. Secondly, that was the greatest save in the history of NASCAR. To be that far gone, in the grass, going that fast, that out of control, and not only keep from ending up in a smoldering heap but, to quote the great Keith Jackson, STILL GOT THE LEAD, INCREDIBLE! And third, that is was what launched The Intimidator image which Dale and Teresa used to send the NASCAR merchandise industry (struggling for direction at the time) into the stratosphere. The greatest save ever that also had some of the longest reaching effects on the history of the sport is only #3? What a damn joke. WaltripS, you are both OUTTA HERE! This is gonna be a long damn night. I need some beer and quick. 21. The Long Shot posted: 05.18.2013 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF blew a fuse? Yep, this is going to be a long night. 22. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And DSFF, let's not forget that after the "Block in the Grass", because that's what it was, Dale still did not have that race won. In turn three Dale got so preoccupied with Bill Elliott that he let Terry Labonte get all the way beside him, and in fact, briefly ahead of him, but Earnhardt did the same thing to Terry that he did to Bill in terms of viciously blocking him, but unlike Bill, Terry backed off and let him in, but never let him get completely away. When I said that Terry Labonte could have been the All-Star Race's first 3-time winner instead of Earnhardt, that's exactly the race I was talking about. Had Labonte been as assertive as he needed to be in that situation, he may very well have won that race, but he knew Earnhardt was going to run him off the track, having seen what Earnhardt did to Elliott, so he let him in and took second. Trust me, Tim Richmond, who was right behind both sitations, would never have backed off in that spot, and as that whole thing between Earnhardt and Elliott was going on, Labonte was passing Richmond without incident, which put him in a position to pass Earnhardt, which he almost did. And I wouldn't say that Michael Waltrip's win was totally forgettable. Sure, that race may not have been that memorable, but there was another Earnhardt-Labonte dust-up, which allowed Michael waltrip and Rusty Wallace to get by. But what made that win memorable was who Waltrip was driving for, the legendary Wood Brothers. But also, the last truly memorable moment to occur in the All-Star Race was back in 2009 when Kyle Busch, Ryan Newman, and Jeff Gordon all wrecked while racing for he lead, and prior to that, the most recent memorable moment was in 2007 when the Busch brothers wreckd each other, and then you'd have to go all the way back to the Newman-Dale, Jr. duel back in 2002, so this race hasn't had very many memorable moments in the last decade, and I think that continues tonight, because you have four 20-lap races followed by a 10-lap race, and the 20-lap races can go by in just 10 minutes and the 10-lap race can go by in just five. There's just not very much racing in the All-Star Race any more because the segments are too short. The field spreads out and there just isn't time to catch anyone any more, hence the lack of actual racing in the All-Star event. 23. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So what you are saying is Terry was to Dale back then what Kasey Kahne is to Kyle Busch nowadays? Jeez, already had Waltrip and McReynolds overkill and we are technically still in the pre race. 24. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) im confused here, Charlotte is a SMI property, why is MRN airing the race? not that im complaining, im just wondering 25. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) What the hell was that? What the hell did I just waste 5 minutes of my life watching? That is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back. Who on God's green Earth thought it would be a good idea to give Jimmy Spencer his own TV segment? And who hates humanity so muc that they would actually air those segments? That some of the most pathetic TV I have ever witnessed, and I have watched Jimmy race for years! That is saying something. He needs to kiss Kurt Busch's ass every day. Were it not for their "rivalry" he would be mercifully be off TV for good, and the world would be a better place. He was already past his prime by a mile in '02 and '03 and his prime really sucked. Two wins in blatently cheated up plate cars and a WHOLE LOT OF CRASHES. Because he sucked. His equipment, like the Dick Trickle's, was never good (although it was a whole lot better than Dick's). But Dick didn't wad it up every damn race and get in rivalry after rivalry after rivalry. Mr Excitement? More like Mr Excrement. Why would they air that and do that to those of us watching? It is somebody who hates racing fans more than Baker and SmokeFan. I demand financial compensation from SPEED for making me watch that, or not giving a proper disclaimer of "watching the following segment will definitely drop your IQ by at leat 10 points". 26. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really wish that rumor that was going around a couple of years ago about Spencer retiring from TV and moving to his farm in Pennsylvania had come true. 27. The Long Shot posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Man, oh man. Two rants by DSFF and we haven't even started the Showdown yet. I might be the one needing beer before this night is over. 28. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872 - The lack of truly memorable moments fans talk about in the last few years is another dent in reputation of the All Star Race. Tonight, might feature another bottom of the barrel moment with a particular driver racing in the main event. This is a good analogy, the All Star race is to NASCAR as the Big Ten Conference is to College Football. 29. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven't watched SPEED all day, but it sounds like giving them about four hours to hype up a gimmicked-up race was a pretty bad idea based on a few hilariously pissed off comments. Also, I wouldn't necessarily say Jimmy Spencer sucked. Sure his Cup career was largely unimpressive on paper, but he did have more solid runs in his career than his equipment deserved. And although D.W. was well past his prime when they were teammates in '99 and '00, Spencer did have 4 more top fives and 9 more top tens than Waltrip, as well as beating him by at least 14 points positions both seasons. Plus, he was really good in the Busch Series driving for smaller teams, most notably for James Finch in '01 and '02, and was a 2-time NASCAR Modified champion back in '86 and '87. So while his Cup career was a lot like his announcing career (a few hits mixed in with a whole lot of misses) and he was more known for starting rivalries than wheeling a race car, I feel that saying that "Jimmy Spencer sucked" is pure hyperbole. 30. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the All Star race is to NASCAR as the Big Ten Conference is to College Football." You're gonna have to be more thorough in your simile. 31. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Let's not forget Mr. Excrement's moaning over Mike "Magic Shoes" McLaughlin blocking at the Talladega Busch race in 2001, which helped user in the yellow-line rule. Thanks, Jimmy. 32. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's exactly what I'm saying, DSFF, which makes it ironic, or perhaps even symbolic that Kahne, as was the case with Labonte in the 90s, drives the #5 HMS car. Labonte was a guy that could be pushed around, though Dale was the only driver I know of that took that liberty with Terry, and Kahne is that way now, and Kyle Busch seems to now that Kahne can be used like a pawn, but most of their other competitors would not take that liberty due to the respect they had for them, along with the fact that they would race clean, so most of their competitors would race them the same way, but someone like Earnhardt back then or Kyle Busch (and a few others) now would notice that in a competitor and get realaggressive with them, knowing the chances for retaliation were very low. But this kind of thing has been going on in sports for a very long time. Around 100 years ago, there was a pitcher for the Washington Senators by the name of Walter Johnson, whowas arguably the greatest pitcher in baseball history, but he was also one of the greatest gentlemen that ever played the game. But Ty Cobb, the fiercest competitor of his time, frequently took advantage of Johnson's gentlemanliness, and took extra liberties with Johnson tht nobody else did, so this kind of thing's been going on in the sporting world for over 100 years. You get someone known for being a gentleman and someone else known fo his fierce competitivenss, and the fierce competitor is always going to take extra liberties, knowing the gentleman competitor is not likely to retaliate, and in today's NASCAR, Kyle Busch and Kasey Kahne are a perfect example of this. You have Kahne, the gentleman against Busch, the fierce competitor, and Busch is taking the extra liberties against Kahne he wouldn't against other top competitors because he knows that Kahne is not likely to retaliate agains thim, but if I were Busch, I would wait a while before trying to take those liberties at Kahne's expense again. We all know that Busch is not going to take those liberties against someone like Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Stewart, or Kenseth (before he joined JGR), because they WILL retaliate. Kyle knows that, which is why he doesn't try to intimidate them like he does with Kahne. To me, that's intelligent on Kyle's part, knowing who he can push and who he can't, because that could be the difference in winning and finishing fifth, or not finishing at all. You have to know who you're racing when you get into close quarters competition. 33. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Let's not forget Mr. Excrement's moaning over Mike "Magic Shoes" McLaughlin blocking at the Talladega Busch race in 2001, which helped user in the yellow-line rule." Of course. How can we forget his asinine "Jimmy Spencer Never Forgets" rant? 34. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The simile, the All Star race is to NASCAR as the Big Ten Conference is to College Football means this: Many memorable moments in the All Star race occurred years ago. Many great accomplishments of the Big Ten Conference in college football, i.e., national championships, Rose Bowl victories, etc. occurred in the less than recent past. There are exceptions, Ohio State's Rose Bowl win a few years ago, the Busch/Newman/Gordon dust up racing for the lead late in '09. I agree the segments are too short right now and with the Gen 6 car not much of an improvement over the last few forgettable All Star Races. Inversions, eliminations, longer segment length all need to make a comeback for this race to produce memorable racing moments again. 35. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jarrett88fan, while what you say may have something to do with what's happened with the All-Star Race, it may say more about NASCAR and the cars they've raced in the last two decades that most of the memorable moments in the history of the All-Star Race occurred in the event's first 11 years. That's because you can't really race close with these cars because of the aerodynamics and the speeds they run. After all, usually to have dramatic moments, you have to be able to race close, and they simply can't do that any more. Add that to the fact that the segments are just too short. 20 laps/10 minutes at ne time is not long enough to show the true essence of racing, especially if there are not any field inversions. Remember that a number of the race's memorable moments, as well as some of the most exciting racing the event's history was directly because of the field inversion, but without that, the leaders just drive away from the rest of the field all night long, usually without a great deal going on. Also, think about this. The Truck Series race last night had a longer scheduled distance than does the Showdown and All-Star Race put together. Last night's race was 134 laps, and the two races tonight put together are 130 laps. All-Star Race is what the Indianapolis 500 was in the 60 and 70s. A lot of pomp and circumstance without very much racing, because that was what the Indianapolis 500 was before 1979, when they brought out the pace car during every caution period. There really was never that much racing going on during the Indianapolis 500, but nobody cared because the event was so big. That's basically what the All-Star Race is now, an event that more an event than a race, because there usually isn't much racing that actually takes place. 36. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The night race at Bristol in 1995 is a great example of a fierce competitor mixing it up with a gentleman and another fierce competitor in the same race, with different end results. Dale Earnhardt dumps Rusty Wallace very early in the race, gets an angry finger pointed toward him in the aftermath of the wreck, and then gets a water bottle thrown upside his head after the race. Then at the very end of the race, Earnhardt dumps Terry Labonte coming to the checkered flag, doesn't suffer any verbal or physical consequences following the race, and then gives Labonte the same damn move four years later to steal a victory at Bristol night '99. I don't know why Dale dumped Rusty in '95 anyways since Rusty already had a reputation of being a fierce competitor who you didn't want to mess with, but he certainly didn't pull that kind of crap to Rusty again after that. Labonte on the other hand didn't get the same respect from Earnhardt on the race track. He got cut-off by Dale at the 1987 All-Star Race, dumped on the last lap at Bristol '95, then dumped again in that same race four years later (which preceded a fake victory lane apology from The Intimidator). Had Labonte been more assertive like the way Rusty was with Earnhardt, he probably wouldn't have been taken advantage of as much as he was on the race track. Earnhardt also got into two other gentlemen race car drivers, Lake Speed and Derrike Cope, at the '95 Bristol night race as well; the former of whom suffered a cut oil line after hitting the wall that knocked him out of the race and had to be treated for smoke inhalation at the infield medical center afterwards. 37. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Good Lord, now Carl is in the Hotel. Ugh. They haven't even started driver intros and it is already ugly as hell. Why did I think it would be a good idea to watch SPEED all day? By the end of this night the anger from my words will summon the presence of the 1988 Ultimate Warrior and he will come through the screen of your phone or computer screen, clotheline you three times, jog in place for a minute, gorilla press slam you, hit you with the big splash, then run off back to Parts Unknown with the IC belt. 38. The Long Shot posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sigh...time to break out the Buds. 39. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Paul, why would Labonte have been upset with Earnhardt after the fall race at Bristol in 1995? After all, he WAS celebrating in victory lane, so even if he wanted to give Earnhardt a piece of his mind, he didn't have time to because he had more important things to do. 1999 was a differen story. He intended to back his car into Earnhardt's after the race, but broke the transmission triyng to. 40. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Summon the presence of the 1991 Ultimate Warrior ala Wrestlemania 7 in the infamous retirement match with the Macho Man Randy Savage. The Warrior will break the bonds of time and space, shoulder block three times before standing on your chest for the pin, and running off to a seance to communicate with the voice that told him to leave the ring before Macho "helped him make up his mind" as the late great Gorilla Monsoon put it at Wrestlemania 7. 41. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Time to get the Showdown on the road... TNN didn't need 4 hours of pre-race back in the day. 42. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know. This is seriously some massive overkill. I've just been watching horse racing and Ed Carpenter win the Indy 500 pole. Glad NBCsn broadcasted the majority of it. They left qualifing to start their three hours of pre Preakness coverage which also was major overkill. 43. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF: Promo Cutting Master 44. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It used to be they came on the air and THEY WERE ROLLING. The invocation, anthem, flyover? That was before they went on the air. And they'd announce over the starting command. (Oddly, a lot of the things that get ranted about now - quick commercials, missing restarts - CBS etc. did back in the day, watch some of the 1996 Truck races and you'll see it. It's just the announcing and coverage overall was so much better, we didn't care.) >There really was never that much racing going on during the Indianapolis 500, but nobody cared because the event was so big. That's basically what the All-Star Race is now, an event that more an event than a race, because there usually isn't much racing that actually takes place. The difference is that Indy could get away with it. Because it was Indy. Speaking of, whoever came up with the idea that running an IndyCar race at the IMS road course, especially to start the Month of May*, needs to be Warrior'd. * No. I'm not kidding. They're seriously considering this. 45. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ed Carpenter win the Indy 500 pole." No way!!! That's awesome!!! Major props to him. He's without a doubt one of the best oval racers in Indy Car. Now Speed just did a "How Come Dale Jr Is So Popular?" segment. Ridiculous. 46. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "DSFF: Promo Cutting Master" Ditto. Watching old WWF matches is more entertaining than this exhibition. 47. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, Labonte may have won the race, but he still had every right to be upset with Earnhardt after that race because of how he unnecessarily destroyed Labonte's car on the last lap. And after Earnhardt used him (and Bill Elliott) up at The Winston eight years earlier, even though Labonte won the race, he still should have given Earnhardt a piece of his mind afterwards because Earnhardt didn't have much respect for him on the race track. Had he spoken to him after the race, he might not have gotten wrecked AND had a win stolen from him four years later. So to answer your question of "why would Labonte have been upset with Earnhardt after the fall race at Bristol in 1995?", it's that had he approached Dale after that race (and maybe crumpled up his giant winner's check and chucked it upside Dale's head, a la Rusty Wallace), there's a good chance that he would be a 23-time winner at the Sprint Cup level because Dale would have thought twice about dumping him again. 48. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well, so far, May has been a month for the underdog in racing. First, David Ragan leads a Front Row Motorsports 1-2 a Talladega and now Ed Carpenter, an onwer-driver, wins the pole for the Indianapolis 500, becoming the first owner-driver to win the pole for the Indianapolis 500 since A.J. Foyt back in 1975. It may not seem like such a big upsey, considering Carpenter won the final last year at Fontana, but the pole at Indy is completely different because everyone is shooting for that, and for an owner-driver, and an American one at that, to steal the pole from the IndyCar heavyweights is certainly something worth celebrating, regardless of what type of racing it is because the vast majority of sports fans like a good underdog story, and there have been two of them in the last 14 days. Time will tell if Carpenter can become the first American to win the Indianapolis 500 since Sam Hornish, Jr. in 2006 and just the third in the last 15 years, but it will be something to watch on May 26. 49. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's with all the kitty litter and sweepers down in turn one? 50. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Then again Paul, it is Dale Earnhardt that was using those guys up. The same Dale Earnhardt that wrecked Richard Petty in the first ten laps of the 1986 Southern 500, so he didn't care who he wrecked, or when he did it. And let's also not forget that Earnhardt would never have even gotten to Labonte at the end of that race in 1995 if not for traffic, because Labonte was about a second in front of Earnhardt when the final lap began, but caught two or three lapped cars racing for position on the end of the lead lap, so he had nowhere to go, which was how Earhnardt caught up with him in the first place. Actually I think Labonte was more perplexed with the lapped traffic than he with was Earnhardt that night. In fact, when Earnhardt hit Labonte, Labonte's car richocheted off Ward Burton's, which was why it turned back to the right. 51. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it's simple, 83andJoe. They're trying everything they know how to dry the track as quickly as they can. And let's not forget that, while the hot air from the jet dryers dry the tracks, the jet fuel also makes the track slick, as if oil was being put down, so they're using the same method they use when a car oils down the track. The one reason why the pre-race is dragging on is because rain has actually delayed the start, but since they started televising the All-Star Race, SPEED's pre-race coverage has always been three hours, something given to only two other events, the Daytona 500 and the season finale at Homestead. Usually, the pre-race show is two hours, as most people know. 52. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is going to be a very long night... 53. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To Hell With Jimmy Spencer. His whole career has been built out of nothing but toilet paper. 54. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Welcome to Modern Day Revisionist NASCAR Ladies & Gents. 55. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah, I hadn't realised that there had been rain earlier in the afternoon. 56. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmy was good in mods... 57. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Why is Dale Jr beloved by so many fans? Because he represents something this generation of people aspire to be: an underachiever who is universally adored and has no job security issues because of it. While the rest of us bust our asses at work just to stay off the radar and out of the crosshairs of the higher ups, he gets to sleepwalk his way through his chosen profession, get tons of money, tons of adoration, and all the women he desires for it. For this generation, that is the dream. That is the present day American dream, for us, the Medicaid generation. No wonder China is kicking our asses in every category. Remember the days when our heroes were people like Michael Jordan, Dale Earnhardt, Jimmy Connors, Ronnie Lott, or Pete Rose, maniacially competitive people who would rather dip their balls in acid than lose? Those were the days, and those were some badasses. Now? The majority of the articles on Jordan on his 50th birthday were criticizing him for the same things he was damn near worshipped for during his playing days. Generation Y ladies and gentlemen, Generation Y. 58. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What do you think got the track wet, 83andJoe? And there may be more rain before this night is over, but let's hope not. And along the lines of your last post, DSFF, they're about to start what may be the only race this year where second place is actually more important than first place, which is the Sprint Showdown. While it's important to win, second is more important because that's the transfer spot to the All-Star Race. 59. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's go Aric!!!!! Get into the main event!!!! 60. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) dont start this Jr Nation and Hater Nation crap, its one of many reasons why I stopped going to yahoo Answers as somebody who isnt a member of Jr Nation all I need to say is he has 19 wins, thats a pretty good total he's not the worst driver who ever lived, he's just under alot of pressure, he's got fans who think he's his father, and fans who hate him for having the same name as his father, and to be honest, he's handling it well, better than any of us would 61. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another EPIC CHOKE by JPM. 62. JG24FanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "he has 19 wins, thats a pretty good total" He has the same total as Buddy Baker but with hundreds of fewer starts. He has the same total as Fonty Flock but with hundreds of more starts. Junior finished 3rd in the points in 2003,5th in 2004,5th in 2006 and 7th in 2011. However he only has 2 wins in the last 7 seasons and had back-back point finishes of 25th and 21st with a Hendricks chassis and engine. 63. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who got the special engine tonight? 64. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) At least the announcers aren't insulting our intelligence by pretending like the fan vote (wish they'd get rid of that shit) is close. 65. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) SPEED/FOX Sports has about as much credibility as the IRS. Who won the fan vote??? Oh, We don't know. 66. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't be the only one who sees NASCAR giving the RotY award to BoB even though Stenhouse outran her pretty much the entire year, can I? 67. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >What do you think got the track wet Didn't know it was wet when I tuned in, just that there was a lot of speedy-dri in turn one. I didn't bother with any of the prerace, and never do. 68. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) With little attrition, she will likely finish as the last car running. 69. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle never lived up to Richard. Junior never will live up to Senior. But really, who cares? They are their own individual drivers and personalities with their own list of accomplishments and were/are great drivers in their own rights. They just have had to deal with incredible pressures of what their fathers did and seemingly needed to do the same or surpass these feats. I've never been a junior hater nor have I been a junior fan. But I have enormous respect as a race fan with how he's handled himself and matured since his dads untimely death. Certain people have certain expectations. Hell he could win a title and he'd still have critics. Nevertheless he has impressed me with how he's grown as a driver and is surely displaying his true talents this season. 70. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Jarrett88fan, assuming Danica gets the fan vote, she wll be the last car running, no matter if the attition is low or high. She'll probably be the last one running if there are 20 cars running or 12 cars running. The only thing that would e affected would be her finshing position. But I must say, and I hate to say this, and I did on the Showdown comments page (and got an immediate thumbs down), that the Showdown was BORING, and for me to say that about a race, it had to have been terrible, with no competition at all. Certainly the All-Star Race can't possibly be even close to being that bad, but the 20-lap sprints could lead to that spread-out racing in the Showdown. If they're going to run 40 laps, why not run all 40 at once so that car preparation and tire fall off actually mean something. 71. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I feel bad for Truex. He was in the Chase last year, and for the most part he's been solid for most of this year too, yet he's not in the All Star race. Pretty stupid. 72. 18fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They announced Danica as the Fan Vote winner. Shocking. 73. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only car BoB might have a realistic chance of finishing ahead of on the track is David Ragan...even then, he might finish ahead of her because he's been outrunning her in most races this year in his underfunded equipment. 74. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) The most intriguing part of All-Star weekend so far has been David Gilliland's epic ride swapping... Is it too late to get an agent and sign up for a minor role in the next Avengers film. Pitiful, but true. 75. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) DSFF Conspiracy Theory: Truex was bad fast in practice and qualifying. In the race, suddenly he wasn't. We all know Mikey values TV interview time over actual on track performance. I think he sent word to mess up Martin's handling for the race so he could have him come to the Hotel for that interview. If he were in the big race he couldn't do that. 76. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well murb, that's exactly why any driver that makes the Chase should automatically qualify for the next year's All-Star Race, as should any driver in the top ten in the current points qualify for that year's All-Star Race. If that were the case, both Truex and Aric Almirola, who's currently ninth in points would be in the All-Star Race, as I think they should be. But in 1998, Jeremy Mayfield had to win one of the preliminaries to get into the All-Star Race, and he was LEADING the points at the time, and for the points leader not to automatically qualify for the All-Star Race is a shame. We're probably going to have a driver in Danica Patrick in the All-Star race that has no business there, yet there are at least two other drivers in Truex and Almirola that do deserve to be in the All-Star Race bsed on their points position, either by being in the Chase last year or being in the top ten this year, and are not. 77. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF's cooking with gas tonight. 78. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >They announced Danica as the Fan Vote winner. Shocking. I am shocked, SHOCKED... 79. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I think the only case of the fan vote being more blatantly fixed was in 05 when the "fahns" voted him based purely on the fact that he drove for Dale Jr. in the NBS. 80. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not liking the team... oops I mean driver intros. while the crew pushes the car. the driver rises up out of the star. 81. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Somewhere Marty Reid right now is yelling: YOU ARE WITNESSING HISTORY!!!! 82. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, Stewart got a lot of boos. Sounded like 2004. 83. Kenny posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Tell me when the actual race starts please(if anyone needs me ill be on eather FB or YT)back later 84. 18fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Logano's Fan Vote win in 2009 was fixed. 85. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Damn I want one of those Lucky dog hats Martin's team was wearing. 86. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) lol, Logano got a SHIT TON of boos. 87. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I think fans at Charlotte should do to the Drivers, Officials, Hollywood, Hotel & Announcers what the wrestling fans at Daytona did at the end of Bash at the beach 1996. 88. Mr X posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait for it 89. Mr X posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ahhhhhhhhhhh, raises arms 90. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (12) R I G G E D Absolutely disgusting. 91. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) They're really booing BofB. 92. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) WWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT????? It's Danica??? 93. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And the winner of the fan vote is...NASCAR's biggest and brightest hope for the future! Who can't outrun drivers racing for teams with a tenth of the budget her team has. 94. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (7) (12) Kudos to the real fans there at Charlotte who booed the hell out of her. She doesn't deserve to be in this race. 95. Bronco posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) BS. Truex, Almirola, Burton or Menard would have actually been competitive if they had been voted in. 96. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (8) Well folks, the term "All Star" in racing just lost every bit of significance. To have been an "All Star Race participant" no longer means anything. Nothing. We just keep watching tradition get butchered every single year. 97. 18fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The intro had the year the Fan Vote was introduced wrong. It was 2004, not 2007. 98. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Low ebbing boos mixed with high pitched cheers... the BoB's chariot awaits. Bottom of the barrel. "22 of the best drivers in Nascar" FOX Sports = IRS 99. Mr X posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) If you combine stupid and crazy you get Michael Waltrip, that was too easy. 100. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think it's funny/appropriate how Michael claims to be this avid marathon runner, yet every week he's severely out of breath just by walking up the grid. 101. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yet, wasn't Michael one of the top 5 vote getters in the Fan Vote despite not even intending to compete in the Showdown? Sigh...Not only are Junior and BoB well beloved by the casual fans, they also actually love FOX's coverage and actually think the Waltrips are funny... 102. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wish Gordon had a fun cat in the hat paintscheme matching his helmet rather than his generic dupo-err, cromax pro paint job 103. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Bronco, I don't think Burton would have been competitive, and Menard is too conservative a driver for a race like this, but I totally agree about Almirola and Truex if not for his two encounters with the fourth turn wall. But there's only four or five drivers I think can win this race outright, Kenseth, Kyle Busch, Edwards, Kahne, and Johnson, and even then, Kahne and Johnson haven't seemed to have the speed that the JGR cars have. Others such as Joey Logano, Denny Hamlin, or Brad Keselowski can win this race if things fall their way, but the other five are the only ones that can win this race on speed. 104. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) GAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! These Mikey pre race segments are TORTURE! Especially right after being told "Danica makes her first All Star Race!". Actually the term "All Star" may have lost all significance across all sports. May have my ass, it has. BoB makes history again. 105. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I turned away from the X Games on ESPN 2 briefly to check out what was happening on SPEED, only to see Michael Waltrip interviewing the Cat in the Hat. No, not Jack Roush, the f'n Dr. Seuss character! NASCAR in 2013, ladies and gentlemen. 106. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well AveryNH, I don't think you'll see much of Gordon in this race, unless he;s involved in a crash because the race format no longer suits him. I just hope he can have a night in this event like Terry Labonte had in 1999 or Mark Martin had in 2005. And by the way, isn't it nice to hear the voice of Keith Jackson on a NASCAR telecast again? 107. RaceFanX posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oops. Jeff Gordon had a "Cat in the Hat" themed helmet for this race that would be auctioned off for charity. The pre-race interviews pointed this out with Gordon joined by a costumed character Cat in the Hat. Michael Waltrip flubbed a line and said "Dr. Suess is here" when talking about that, Theodor 'Dr. Suess' Geisel was the author not a character and he passed away in 1991. Ah well, he's paid for expertise in NASCAR not a depth knowledge of children's literature. 108. JG24FanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eating a Twinkie sponge cake makes all of this seem enjoyable. 109. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, at least Jeff Burton and Paul Menard finished 3rd and 4th in the Showdown race. They wouldn't have competed for the win exactly (other than Newman in '02 and Kahne in '08, has any Showdown driver ever competed for the win?), but they at least would have had some speed and would be able to duke it out with the other drivers in the race. That's more than what can be said for the "fan" vote winner. 110. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) We got to see Keith! INCREDIBLE! Hignlight of the night so far by a long shot. 111. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "She doesn't deserve to be in this race." She didn't deserve to be in the Showdown either, or within fifteen miles of the racetrack. 112. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Agreed. It's cool every time I've been to NHMS the past few years Ken Squier was the track PA announcer. It's always a trip when I hear his voice in person. 113. RaceFanX posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Before you all get all whiny about Danica being in this race and damaging the rep let's recall Dave Mader III was in this race back in 1992 for even less of a good reason (the car owner won the year before). Patrick was the Daytona 500 polesitter this year, Mader was a part-time racer back then who ended up out of a ride shortly thereafter. 114. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Paul, Michael Waltrip won this race in 1996 for the Wood Brothers after transferring from he Showdown, where he finished only fifth, though that was good enough to get him in. And I can't believe what I just heard Mike Joy say. He just said that Keith Jackson called that 1992 All-Star Race whe Joy himself was the one that called that partcular All-Star Race. Jackson called the All-Star Race in 1987 and '88. And even Jackson acknowledged that Dale was the guy in the All-Star Race. 115. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "And I can't believe what I just heard Mike Joy say. He just said that Keith Jackson called that 1992 All-Star Race whe Joy himself was the one that called that partcular All-Star Race." Not only can they not remember what car David Gilliland (who has a 2nd place finish this year) drives, but they also can't keep track of some of the most important moments in history. I echo what Ben Lowe said last week. Fox is the outhouse. 116. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And also, Ken Schrader almost won the All-Star Race in 1994 from the Shootout, and Sterling Marlin nearly won it from the Showdown in 1988, as Marlin finished second to Terry Labonte in 1988 and Schrader led until he was passed by Geoff Bodine with just a couple of laps to go in 1994, so those that have come from the Showdown have been more competitive over the years than many mgiht think other than he three that have won it fro the Showdown since that race and the transfer to the All-Star Race from it was first introduced in 1987. 117. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He's got a point about Dave Mader. I mean, he isn't exactly hailed as an All-Star. 118. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two tires before the final 10 lap segment is the winning hand. Whoever gets the jump on the restart will win, simple as that. 119. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad broke his transmission. 120. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Brad breaks the transmission. DSFF has now entered Warrior Mode. 121. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) So just because Dave Mader was in this race 21 years ago, we're not allowed to criticize Danica being in the All-Star Race tonight since it's happened before? 122. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a light rain. 123. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We are in a typical Kansas thunderstorm here, so can someone tell me what segment and lap we are on? 124. 18fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the pit stop before the 10 lap segment is a mandatory 4 tire stop. 125. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "So just because Dave Mader was in this race 21 years ago, we're not allowed to criticize Danica being in the All-Star Race tonight since it's happened before?" Not at all. It's just that this isn't the first time someone was undeservingly in the All-Star Race. 126. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sounds like Brad broke his transmission going down the backstretch and coming into turn 3. Looks like the team went a little crazy with the gear ratios in practice, and the nighttime setting for the race made the speeds much faster, causing the transmission to fail very quickly. 127. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Dave Mader III was a hell of a short track racer and a regional champion. With the rain, this might be the worst All Star race ever. 128. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @125, that's not the vibe I got from RaceFanX's post 113. 129. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Near the end of segment 2 the 2 million dollar gimmick the Million Dollar Man put up, will fall by the wayside. 130. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "With the rain, this might be the worst All Star race ever." Can't be any worse than last year's race. Having a format that encourages teams to sandbag once they've won a segment? What a brilliant idea that was. 131. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn it all Brad needed something to get out of the funk hes been in 132. The Final Gear posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) @RaceFanX No that's an actual legitimate reason to be in, the guys who work on the car deserve to be in that race. Patrick won a fan vote and doesn't deserve to be in the race. She's in the race because she is a female and not a male, it's a gender based accomplishment. I'm glad she got booed. 133. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not even the Ultimate Warrior can save this thing. 134. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If you are a real fan, I don't know how you wouldn't complain about BoB being in this race. Especially, as CJS said, when there are drivers like Truex and Almirola are much more deserving of it. By her being in the race, we're seeing other drivers being cheated out of a spot. It's bullshit. 135. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I was going to wait till she won to say this, but who voted for her? none of us did 136. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) *that are much more deserving of it 137. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least it didn't rain last year, Paul. But the last few weeks have been an utter disaster for the Penske team, whih is in a terrble slump in IndyCar racing, and he isn't even at Indy, but racing in Italy, and nothing's gone right for them since the Logano-Hamlin incident at California on the NASCAR side, either in the Cup Series or the Nationwide Series. 138. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jabber, you know who voted for her, the dead. 139. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) as much as we critise Fox and ESPN we must give them this they aren't TMZ, nobody is treating the Stenica relationship like ET or TMZ would, the only ones making fun of it are us fans 140. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Brainless Brian and the stooges voted for her. And all of the psycho feminists. 141. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) By the way, I was knocking Dave Mader's Cup career, not his team or his non-NASCAR career. And yes, Danica is far more undeserving than Mader. 142. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jarrett88fan, you said in post #118 that two tires before the final 10-lap segment is the winning hand. The problem with that idea is that the teams are REQUIRED to change four tires on that pit stop. Otherwise, they'd either change two or not pit at all. 143. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I stand corrected true. 144. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darrell, everyone says you clutched it in '85 BECAUSE YOU CLUTCHED IT IN NINETEEN EIGHTY FIVE! 145. Peter posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) So Danica won the fan vote....in other news a bear shit in the woods today! 146. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That Waltrip guy in '85 was colorful. An asshole, but colorful. Today he is just annoying. 147. Mr X posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its cool that that block is still kicking around, with a giant hole in the bottom of the number eight bore. 148. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's also remember that Dave Mader III was a Snowball Derby winner, too. No matter who you are (yes, even if you're Steve Wallace) that's one trophy you never take off the mantle, and it has always (and will always) Mean Something. Patrick, meanwhile, has precisely one - count 'em - one victory in any sort of major league, that was 1. a fuel mileage win when 2. HALF THE FIELD WAS AT ANOTHER RACE. 2. doesn't get mentioned as often as 1., but it's worth remembering: that was the year the Motegi IRL race (which Patrick won on fumes) was run on the same day as the "last CART race" at Long Beach (it was IRL sanctioned but was run using the last year's CART rulebook) due to the late date of the CART-IRL reunification and the pre-existing contract for the Long Beach GP. So...yeah. And you know that if somebody won anything simply for being a man, you would never hear the end of it, but everyone's going to pretend that she isn't going to win the fan vote each and every year just because she's a girl and that's Perfectly Fine. And, as I've said before, we have to like it because if Danica fails, she's been built up so much she would take the next 10 years' worth of female drivers who can actually race with her. (Speaking of, there's an interesting piece on Speed51 right now about Wally Dallenbach's daughter and her racing at New Smyrna. Third in points!) 149. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brainless Brian" well in his defence, ill quote Brian Johnson after he won that one award on Top Gear, they misspelled his name on the trophy "my name is Brian, not Brain" 150. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) ^ They're Patrick, they're Patrick and the Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain... 151. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) does anyone remember that one episode of Futrama when Leela sucked so badly at Blernsball that people bought tickets just to see her suck, and then at the end of the episode this female who was actually good at blensball showed up on the opposing team and basicly whipped her teams ass? my point is, is that going to happen soon? bunch MORE females are going to show up and race in the K&N series, ARCA, Trucks, and actually try to run and either have success or just open more doors? 152. Baker posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) She won't win the fan vote very much longer because she will be out of the sport by the end of next season. When she is still running 6-12 laps down and finishing in the mid 30s next year no team in there right mind will keep her around. 153. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder why on earth hasn't Goodyear come up with a tire that can withstand these conditions. 154. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) oh and to compare...Leela actually thought she was good, Danica think's she's good 155. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who wants to bet this race wont be worth sitting through the delay 156. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johanna Long, Kenzie Ruston, Mackena Bell, Kate Dallenbach... They're out there. They just need to make it before the distaff driving fleet gets Bobby Norfleeted. 157. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Add hannah newhouse to that list 158. Peter posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Carl Edwards is really starting to grow on me...what a classy tribute to a racing legend 159. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Oh, look guys! Another Stenica romantic moment! Now isn't that just sweet? Blergh, I'm getting REALLY sick of the media trying to shove their relationship down our throats... 160. 83andJoe posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) -that moment when rewatching the infamous TotalBiscuit-and-Jesse Cox Terraria LP series is more interesting than checking to see if the rain delay is over 161. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Have I mentioned that Danica is the Brian Bosworthless of NASCAR. 162. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watching the Macho Man Anthology on Netflix for the upteenth time in the last year or so is more interesting than checking to see if the rain delay is over. Ohhhhh Yeahhhhhhhh 163. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "At least it didn't rain last year, Paul." NASCAR can't control the weather, but they can control the race format. That's why last year's race, no matter how bad this year's race may be, was worse. And yes, a Snowball Derby win does mean something. In fact, it's probably more meaningful than a lot of Cup races nowadays. Even though not every winner had a productive NASCAR career, it is the biggest late model race in the country and to win that race takes a ton of talent. And that includes Steve Wallace, who is actually a very good late model racer, although he's more known for his reckless habits in the Nationwide Series than for his short track accomplishments. 164. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was watching the 1989 Firecracker 400 where Benny Parsons goes crazy after Mark Martin gets spun out that race is a lot more interesting than waiting out this rain delay. 165. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly, if you really think about it, there hasn't been a good All Star race since 2010. We've documented how bad last year was, but 2011 was pretty god awful as well. 166. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Mikey: "They didn't like me touching Jeff's helmet". That is because you aren't qualified to touch Jeff's helmet you bum. They are gonna try to auction that off for charity. The "worn by Jeff Gordon" label will bring in lots of money. Being touched by Michael Waltrip automatically reduces its value by at least 30%. They had to wipe your grubby paw prints off it just for it to bring any money in for charity. 167. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I feel for the fans who have been there all day and have seen 30 minutes of on-track racing at almost 10:40 PM EST. 168. RaceFanX posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just clarifying my post from earlier it was about Mader's Cup career. Dave was a great racer and there's a reason he is remembered but he's not usually held up as a NASCAR all-star. 169. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) BoB predictably bringing up the rear of the cars still running. 170. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wish each 20-lap segment was actually a race to the finish line, instead of the officials waiting for the entire field to cross the line before throwing the caution. That way it's more exciting to watch the leaders battle to the finish in four "separate" races. Also, was anyone else surprised at how fast they got back to racing after the rain delay? 171. Kenny posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt's leading thats cool :) 172. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good stuff. The Busch Bros almost wrecked each other again. 173. cjs3872 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The reason the 20-lap segment is not a race to the S/F line it because then it would be a 21-lap segment. 174. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mark Martin spins. 175. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mark Martin spins through the infield grass, and it takes the Fox crew about ten seconds to see the car spinning in front of them. 176. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Are they gonna start talking about what an incredible save Danica made to avoid hitting Mark Martin? 177. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne is the official punching bag of NASCAR. 178. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not surprising Mark Martin spun considering he nearly got gobbled up three wide in turns 3 and 4 at the start of the race. 179. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No it wouldn't cjs....it would be a straight 20 laps. Nothing more or less. Just like any other race in NASCAR. 180. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What good do the hood flaps do if they fly off like tgat? 181. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Can Stenhouse ever not hit the wall and/or not ruin another driver's race this season? He's running just fine right behind the #9 car, and then smacks the wall coming to the quad oval and takes out Mark Martin. Talented driver, but no brains sometimes. 182. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A dart with no feathers strikes again in 2013. 183. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie will win or Kyle will, because its not like this race is important 184. Baker posted: 05.18.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't think Ricky Stenhouse has half the talent Kyle Larson brings to the table, but here we go again with the negative comments. Remember when he was hitting everything when he first got the Busch series too? He will get there. Some drivers believe it or not take some time to develop. 185. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Some drivers believe it or not take some time to develop." Exactly where have we said that Kyle Larson will never turn out? 186. Paul posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) What are you talking about, Baker? There's no negative comments coming from me about Stenhouse. Just a mere observation about his recklessness this season, which included a question that nobody has yet answered. No negativity coming from me. Just stating a fact that he bounced off the wall despite running directly behind Ambrose and taking out Mark Martin, and then asking whether he has run a completely clean race this season. 187. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Disregard my comment. I misunderstood the original comment. 188. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dumb move by Bowyer and Edwards to stay out. They are both paying for it now. 189. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, was anyone else surprised at how fast they got back to racing after the rain delay?" AIR TITAN!!! 190. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just stating a fact that he bounced off the wall despite running directly behind Ambrose and taking out Mark Martin" He probably just got aero-tight behind Ambrose. And David, I'm pretty sure that the Air Titan equipment isn't at Charlotte (for some reason). 191. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Like that two tire call by Khane. 192. Baker posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Comments like "can Stenhouse ever not hit the wall or ruin another drivers night?" would easily lead one to think that you don't believe Stenhouse will ever turn the corner. Just saying. Either you believe what you are saying or you don't. I believe too many fans are too quick to judge too many drivers. 193. The Final Gear posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BoB is backmarking it up in this race, she can't even beat David Ragan. 21-21-21 is her three segments right now, so much for the "fan vote." She's last car running each time. 194. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman just swerved into Kyle Busch and gave himself a tire rub. 195. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution out for debris from Greg Biffle. 196. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for debris that probably came from Biffle's car after he and Dale Jr got together. 197. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not been a very good all star race, unfortunately 198. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) EERRRGGGGHHHHH!!!! MRN's live stream is practically nonexistent. Can someone please tell me what is happening? 199. 18fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They didn't mention that Stenhouse is on fresher tires. 200. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kurt Busch wins Segment 4. This pit road thing is gonna be interesting. 201. Peter posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Unless NASCAR throws a BS caution; looks like Kurt will make it 2 out of the last 3 races for the underdogs 202. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Unless NASCAR throws a BS caution; looks like Kurt will make it 2 out of the last 3 races for the underdogs" They haven't even made the pit stops yet, so who knows what will happen. 203. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Good job, FOX, good job. 204. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) See, Kurt got hosed on the pit stop. He's gonna have some ground to make up if he wants to win. Hopefully either he or Kyle can get it done though. A robot win (Jimmie or Kasey) will depress me. 205. 18fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) That was a disaster by FOX. Total fail. 206. Peter posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They haven't even made the pit stops yet, so who knows what will happen" Oops Brain Fart...just realized they went to five segments this year 207. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How in the hell did Jeff Gordon end up with an average finish of 8.5 for the four segments??? I don't ever recall him running higher than 8th! Anyway, it didn't matter because he had a slow pit stop, as per usual. 208. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wonder if I can hold my breath for ten laps. God, this will be quite crazy. 209. Mr X posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Totally irrelevant at the moment but more evidence of Jeff Gordon's pit crew in action. At best they'll maintain Jeff's position. 210. Sean posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "How in the hell did Jeff Gordon end up with an average finish of 8.5 for the four segments???" Poor FOX arithmetic. 211. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh. 212. JG24FanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The first 4-time winner of the all-star race. 213. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like we're gearing up for another win by an android... 214. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) its over now go to bed 215. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty sure McReynolds just said that Jimmie is in his 29th All Star Race. Wow. 216. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) History tonight guys. I'm pulling for Joey Logano. 217. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) will Jimmie also win the coke 600? 218. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (6) (2) Absolutely disgusted right now. First 4 time winner, joins Davey Allison as only back to back winner, I hate modern NASCAR. 219. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "History tonight guys. I'm pulling for Joey Logano." Holy smoke. 220. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Stupid. 221. TS1420 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I hate this race. 222. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ESPN (if they were broadcasting the All Star Race): YOU ARE WITNESSING HISTORY TONIGHT, FOLKS! 223. Kenny posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Where is JR? 224. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bah Humbug! 225. AveryNH posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) The day Jimmie Johnson retires will be the day I full enjoy NASCAR again. I'm beyond sick of him. I'll projectile vomit on my TV set now. 226. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dadgum it! DADGUM it!!! DADGUM IT!!!!!! 227. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Dumbasses at FOX Sports failed at math. 228. JG24FanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2nd career Daytona 500 3rd career Spring Martinsville 4th career All-Star win 2013 Season average finish of 6.7 10 Top 12 finishes in 11 races this season. 229. Schroeder51 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not even particularly good at math and even I knew FOX was way off on their average finishes through the segments. 230. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Any idiot with a basic math course could tell that Jimmie was supposed to line up 4th. 231. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) I sure hope The Dictator is happy. He fired some of his crewmen because of a slow stop last week at Darlington. Say what you want about his legendary crew chief status, but when it comes to staying true to the crew and supporting his guys, he is the absolute worst. The infamous Texas Crew Swap in 2010 is another example. He's so unloyal to those 48 guys. So once again, congrats to The Dictator and The Vanilla Flavored Android on the win. 232. 13 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) what was with the average finish thing they didnt go in the order they should had? I smell BULLSHIT!! 233. David posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I hate life. 234. jabber1990 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmie Johnson: 2013 champion its too early to determine if hes 7-time, yet but who cares, we dont know who will win the next 25 races, so just shut up and enjoy them although we know who will win next week, and the brickyard, so if you want to skip those races thats fine, I wont judge you, ill still watch them 235. The Final Gear posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Get rid of the mandatory pit stop, line them up at the end based on average finish and let them race. This pit stop crap is stupid, 1 mandatory stop throughout the segments. I want elimination back as well. Unfortunately they won't do that because their precious BoB will be eliminated right away. 236. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Line up according to average finish for the final 10 laps? I guess not. How does a team that averaged as Mike Joy said, "at the back of the last dozen," come out of the pits in second and go on to win it all? 237. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 13fan do some math of yourself and see that Jimmie Johnson was 4th. 238. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) This was definitely a race to forget. 239. Peter posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Good job NASCAR screwing a small team over so a muli-million dollar juggernaut could win again! 240. Baker posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I would put money on him winning the 600 and Brickyard 400s as well. Every time the money is at its highest Hendrick and Knaus are given the green light to beef up their ride. It never fails. Nascar wants Hendrick in victory lane especially in their biggest races because Hendrick puts the most money in their pockets. Tonight is the very reason why this sport sucks right now and losing fans at an alarming rate it has nothing to do with cup guys running Truck and Busch races. It is the obvious favoritism of one team. 241. murb posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How does a team that averaged as Mike Joy said, "at the back of the last dozen," come out of the pits in second and go on to win it all?" Because The Dictator threatens their jobs if they aren't perfect. 242. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Jimmie will go down as one of the greatest ever. But I hope history also remembers him as the guy who turned away an entire generation of NASCAR fans, and the ones who stuck around, like me, were beyond depressed during his reign. Alan Kulwicki said in his championship speech in '92 hat he wanted to go down as a champion that the sport got stronger under. Tragically he never got that chance. But Jimmie has left the sport in MUCH worse shape than when he inherited the torch as alpha dog. There were other factors too of course, but attendance, ratings, overall interest, and morale of those who stuck around plummetted under his reign. 243. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Only FOX Sports could say a 1,4,2,1 average is a 2.6 and a 2,1,1,4 average is a 3.3 244. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Unfortunately, someday, people will look at the statistics and will conclude that Jimmie Johnson was a better pure racer than guys like Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon, simply because he won more of these "all-out, balls-to-the-wall" races.....simply not true. 245. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Question is: what is the point of this race? 246. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) what was with the average finish thing they didnt go in the order they should had? I smell BULLSHIT!! That is the question of the night... Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? 247. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm finally sold on DSFF's whining: move it or drop it. 248. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was better than 2012 and 2011 though... 249. joey2448 posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That looks more like a funeral procession than a walk to victory lane. And Jimmie Johnson sounds like he's at a funeral, talking to DW on the radio post-race... 250. JG24FanForever posted: 05.18.2013 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "So once again, congrats to The Dictator and The Vanilla Flavored Android on the win." The biggest reason I put Gordon ahead of Johnson in all-time ranking is that Gordon has accomplished nearly half his career wins,at 40,without Ray Evernham and has been a Championship contender with 3 different crew chiefs. Johnson has only 2 wins without Chad Knaus with a crew chief who won the championship in 2011. 251. The Final Gear posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Between the ****** pitshop at the end and Danica winning the fan vote, I don't know what was worse about this race. It's going down as one of the worst ever, we will have a rule change next year. 252. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree, TeamPlayers. This one was absolutely better than the last two years. It's just too bad that Team Android had to end up in victory lane. 253. joey2448 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, that victory lane celebration looks more subdued than Ricky Stenhouse's championship celebration last year at Homestead.... 254. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Richmond race this year was more of an "all star race" than this bore. 255. Kenny posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow you guys are pissed and I'm glade I missed this race I've been trying to get my foot in the door with the MLP FIM thing so yeah I haven't missed anything Where did Jr and Kurt finish? 256. Hank posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What happened with the race finish averages to set the field before they made their last pit stop? 257. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The DUMBEST IDEA ever and they still haven't gotten rid of it is the mandatory 4 tire pitstop. What the hell?! Ensures the result will be clean air, and that nobody running after p5 has a chance. 258. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Once again this race was hyped as "the new format will make it more exciting" and once again it blew up in their face. Every year. Just get rid of the damn thing already. They draw us in and disappoint the shit out of us every time. Hear that from the crowd when JJ emerged? Silence. The worst possible noise. My favorite mickname for Jimmie is The Emotionless Juggernaut. Another one would be The Black Hole. He has sucked the life out of this once great sport along with Brainless Brian and Sprint. 259. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (4) (0) Jeff Gordon wins the Matt Kenseth Post-Race award tonight. He's changed and in Victory Lane before Jimmie Johnson completes his burnouts. 260. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:04 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jimmie Johnson: NASCAR's first 8 time Cup Series champion I can totally see it happening... 261. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Move the All Star race to RICHMOND like It should have been before Bruton Smith screwed Paul Sawyer and stole it with his dirty money. 262. JG24FanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson becomes the first driver to win 10 races at Charlotte's 3 main Cup events. World 600 3 Fall Charlotte 3 All-star 4 Gordon and Earnhardt both have 8 apiece. 263. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) Good observation guys, every Jimmie Johnson success is like a funeral afterwards. And it is a funeral for the death of the wonderful and colorful past of NASCAR's fun past, a small part of which dies everytime that 48 takes the checkered flag. 264. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DaleSrFan, don't get rid of it just move it like it was originally attended. 265. jabber1990 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had a dream the night before Jimmie won at Bristol in 2010 a blue car with a yellow 8 was written on it it won the race, and everyone booed him am I psychic? 266. JG24FanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "My favorite mickname for Jimmie is The Emotionless Juggernaut. Another one would be The Black Hole. He has sucked the life out of this once great sport along with Brainless Brian and Sprint." He's the Michael Schumacher of Nascar. Except Johnson doesn't strike me as being as ruthless or intense as Schumacher. 267. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jarrett88fan, you asked how a team can go from the back of the top half-dozen and line up second on the restart. The answer is an 11.8 second pit stop. That's how he got past those others on pit road. It's that simple. But again we saw the difference between the big teams and the smaller teams, and it's not in the caliber of the equipment, but rather the caliber of the people. Kurt Busch had the best car and drove the best, but his team simply doesn't stack up with the others he's competing against, and that will show up on pit road more than it will on the track. I've said that over the last couple of years, especally where it pertains to the Wood Brothers, but that disparity also exists between other smaller teams and the bigger teams. 268. The Final Gear posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) Schumacher didn't kill F1 though, people embraced his winning spirit. That's why Ferrari is so damn popular. 269. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jimmie Johnson is The Tom Brady or John Cena of NASCAR. 270. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Final Gear that's not true considering F1 had MASSIVE drops in television viewership worldwide between 2001 and 2004. Also, F1 viewership has been down since 2008 and have lost 1/6 of the worldwide viewing audience during the Vettel era. 271. Gmoney posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a disappointment. Kurt Busch was the class of the field and he should have won this race! The All Star hasn't been a great race for awhile now, and it may be time to start moving the race to different tracks or go back to the rule that after each segment, whoever isn't in say the top 15 is cut. Then the last segment the 10 best cars race to the finish. That was a great format! Get it together NASCAR! 272. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) On the funeral procession: "It was as if millions of voices cried out in terror, and suddenly stopped." - Obi Wan Kenobi 273. 83andJoe posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The answer to those questioning Jimmie's position on the last stop is that Fox fails at math worse than I do, which is quite an achievement. 274. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think there definitely needs to be some changes to the All Star race. Even though tonight's race was better than 2011 and 2012, it still has been falling into a Pro Bowl esque total joke and gimmick fest over the last few years. I would like to see them rotate it around every year. Charlotte has just gotten so damn stale. And they also need to quit with all of these alternating pit stop rules every year. I feel like the late stages/segments of the race should be more racing oriented than strategy oriented. The race should be decided out on the track, not off pit road. 275. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR Victory Lane: "The All Star Race lets the fans have a choice..." Let me correct that. It allows true fans like us to sit back and groan while the casual fans who know absolutely nothing about the sport's history and only started watching the sport because of Junior or Danica resoundingly say "PUT DANICA IN THE ALL STAR RACE!" because they honest to goodness think she's going to be really good. 276. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The answer to those questioning Jimmie's position on the last stop is that Fox fails at math worse than I do, which is quite an achievement." lol, I'm the same way. I thought I was terrible at math, but evidently Fox takes the cake. 277. Baker posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) The thing the irks me the most about Jimmie Johnson is why in the F doesn't anyone have the balls to stand up to that worthless dick? No one drives him hard into the corner, no one roughs up his fenders or calls him out. Every single year we have drivers like Hamlin, Busch(s), Harvick, Stewart, Logano, Bowyer, Edwards, Gordon and more getting into season long tiffs constantly taking shots at one another taking them right out of the championship picture to let Jimmie Johnson drive away. A perfect example is that garbage childish tiff between Harvick and Hamlin when they were both out running Johnson after dicking around with each other Johnson runs away and hides with the trophy. I want someone that will drive this whinny ass cunt deep into the corners and put him in the fence when he doesn't back down. And then when Chad Knaus gets all fired about about it I want him to walk over to him and deck him right in his metrosexual face. BK was our only hope, but not he looks like he has gotten wrapped up in the childish twitter and hand slapping with other drivers. 278. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Obi Wan Kenobi" Is Obi Wan Kenobi Kurt Busch? Brian France Emperor Palpatine? Or is that Rick Hendrick? Or Whoever owns GM? Jimmie Johnson Darth Vader? Master Yoda is definitely Mark Martin. 279. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Lol looks like the NASCAR Raceday folks have drank their Kool Aid. 280. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well OldSchoolNascarDude1, Gordon should have had time to change because, as I predicted, he was a non-factor, almost invisible, so he should have had enough time to change. He's been the only HMS driver no to be a factor at these races in each of yhe last two years, and his streak of finshing outside the top 10 n this race now goes to seven years. All three of the other drivers each won segments last year, but he was nowhere to be seen, and tonight, while each of them ran in the top five at some point, he was again a non-factor. There must be a major change there because he's again 1-2 MPH slow, and I say it should be at the crew chief position. The question then becomes, who would they replace Alan Gustafson with, because that team's going nowhere fast. I know they were third at Darlington, but they need to get their cars at least competitive on the higher speed tracks, and while Gordon is part of the problem, he's far from the main source. And if a change is not made, I would not be surprised if he has his worst-ever points finish, because he can't make up for his team's lack of performance forever. 281. Hank posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) They gave Jimmie that race. Bruton Smith probably had mad cash riding on the 48. 282. JG24FanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Is Obi Wan Kenobi Kurt Busch?" Jeff Gordon is Obi Wan if Johnson is Darth Vader. 283. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lol looks like the NASCAR Raceday folks have drank their Kool Aid." Vanilla flavored. 284. Kool-Aid Man from SPEEDTV posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (9) (0) Oh Yeah! 285. Hank posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) TeamPlayersBlue. Yea, NASCAR pulled out the cups and made everyone drink up then they got the flash pen from men in black and whipped out their memory. 286. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually JG24Fan that makes sense, but who is Luke Skywalker? 287. Mr X posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I posted this on the Southern 500 comments page: " 716. Mr X posted: 05.17.2013 - 7:32 pm Since I haven't commented on this yet I would like to send my best wishes to the family and friends of Dick Trickle, and may he rest in peace. I was certainly surprised and saddened to hear the news regarding his life ending, and the way he ended it. I would also like to mention that I certainly feel sorry for whoever answered that phone call. This is the best qualifying session I've ever watched, and I only saw about the last half dozen cars as I just got home from work. It must be a huge adrenaline hit for the drivers as well. It doesn't need to be implemented every week as Carl Edwards says, but it does drive home the reminder that something needs to be done to bring some interest to qualifying. Sad part is the qualifying may be more exciting then the race will be." I have already turned off my TV, I have said this before and I'll say it again. Why the f**k is NASCAR so obsessed with ending this race with a 10 lap segment? In every all star race I can think of that ended in a ten lap segment, including tonight's race the final 10 lap segment was the least exciting. Chiefly due to the fact that the run is too short, anyone who is good on a short run or gets a perfect restart simply rockets away from the field and the segment ends before any other players can step in. I thought the first four segments were pretty good, especially given the All Star races of 2011 and 2012, which also featured some incredibly dull final 10 lap segments. The average finish rule worked wonders as all through the pack there was some good racing, and passing which CMS hasn't seen the likes of since 2010, but again NASCAR chooses to slowly fade away the race instead of ending it with a finish that makes you (or at least me) pace back and forth in front of my TV screen. That being said this was still the best All Star Race in several years because you could actually pass a car you caught, for the first time in several years I am excited for the 600 as well, as I certainly believe there are several drivers who can potentially run well in such a big race. Jamie Mac was good tonight, I saw Jeff Gordon go from 14th or 15th to the top 10 or so at least three times tonight before something relegated him backwards again. (slow pit stop, Mark Martin's pathetic restart, etc.) The 600 will be good I think. 288. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 600 will be better because there will actually be racing for more than 20 laps. Plus you saw the excitement tire strategies produced in segment two, too bad NASCAR ruined it with their stupid mandatory 4 tire stop rule. 289. David posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BK was our only hope" "That boy is our only hope." -Obi-Wan Kenobi 290. Hank posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't talk about the final pit stop screw up!!! 291. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Fox was wrong on Jimmie's average finish entering the pits in addition to figuring out the Busch brothers' position. Now then, what the reasoning behind calculating the average finishing positions for the first four segments for entering the pits before the final 10 lap segment? Jimmie lined up in third entering the pits, yet Fox, your graphic indicated Jimmie should have lined up in 11th entering the pits, how did this gaffe happen? Fuzzy math? 292. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Right now Matt Kenseth may be our only hope... 293. The Long Shot posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker: Need I remind you of Pocono 2010 and Pocono 2011? Kurt Busch called Jimmie out on both occasions for reckless driving. As for the results, I could be happier, but I'll take it. Both my Showdown and All-Star Race winner predictions were correct, and Joey Logano finished 2nd after having a really good car throughout the last few segments. Not bad, not bad at all. 294. Baker posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (1) (4) "Jimmie Johnson is The Tom Brady or John Cena of NASCAR." I don't watch that WWE garbage, but you couldn't be more wrong about the Tom Brady and Jimmie Johnson comparison. People love to hate Tom Brady because he wins too much and has a super model wife and gets pretty much anything and everything he wants. Plain and simple jealousy. People hate Jimmie Johnson because he is a worthless cheating robot D-bag arrogant a-munch. 295. Magnus Canyon posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I fall under the "I'm Tired of Jimmie Johnson Winning" category. If he wins, I would at least like to make some money off it. Does anyone know of any legit sports betting sites? 296. JG24FanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "JG24Fan that makes sense, but who is Luke Skywalker?" Brad Keselowski became Luke when he defeated Vader last year. 297. Peter posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If NASCAR wants to keep this race...stop with the cheesy gimmicks to lure casual fans in, just have them race to keep your true fans happy. Also move the race to a different track every year (even ones not on, but NASCAR sanctioned the schedule like Irwindale), it is beyond boring at charlotte 298. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:26 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "That boy is our only hope." -Obi-Wan Kenobi "No, there is another..." He has the initials, M.K. 299. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) We made all the Star Wars predictions back last year on one of the pages late in the season. The 48 team looks like this though: Jimmie = Vader Chad = Gran Moff Tarkin Hendrick = Palpatine And then, yeah, Gordon would be Obi Wan, since he "trained" Jimmie just like how Obi Wan trained Anakin. 300. Kenny posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:27 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) LMMFAO @ 284 I'm f**king crying alover myself hear.....holy shit XDDDDDDDD 301. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) All in all, I can't wait for the 600. It'll be nice to get back to some real racing after this weekend's gimmick parade. 302. Anonymous posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (1) (5) ...why are we talking about star wars, I thought this was a racing site not nerdfest 303. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) CLASSIC video about 2008 all star race, seems very familiar 5 years later... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKzwE4LWS9A 304. Baker posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Kurt Busch are you serious? That big pansie is all bark and no bite. He is the 2nd biggest coward in the sport right behind Kevin Harvick. When Kurt trys to get physical with someone in or out of the race car then I might take that comment seriously. 305. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) #284 This may be the funniest comment I've seen on this site in a while. I still think the best comment I've ever seen on this site is the comment from "Darrell Waltrip" on Michael Waltrip's comment page. Whoever that person was perfectly mastered the art of satire. 306. TS1420 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with Baker. It ticks me off to no end seeing drivers season after season take their minds off the real threat (Darth Johnson) and get into trivial feuds with back-markers. And seeing a driver just pull over and basically stop to let Johnson pass them uncontested then turning around and racing the next drivers that try to pass them harder than hell just drives me nuts. 307. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I might know the guy who might have had something to do with post 284... 308. Paul posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I missed the last two segments (totally worth it in retrospect), so could somebody fill me in on the mandatory pit stop prior to the final segment, as well as what role the supposed average finish deal played in the finish of the race? Baker, the only two drivers who truly stood up to Jimmie Johnson were Tony Stewart and Kurt Busch. Stewart raced him very hard during the 2005 season and went on to win his 2nd championship, while Johnson delivered his first of two championship chokes, and Kurt refused to roll over for him at Pocono and Richmond in 2011, leading to Johnson driving over his head at times and finishing outside the top five in points for the only time in his career. Other than those two, I can't think of anyone who truly stood up to Johnson. 309. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) To the Schumacher Post: Attendance at Monza in 2000: 125,000, Attendance at Monza in 2004: 60,000. Both had no rain. 310. Paul posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not gonna lie, post 284 just made my night! 311. MStall41 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) Johnson wins race ---> Massive fan backlash I really don't see what everyone is whining about here. The last segment certainly lacked drama but its not the 48's fault they played strategy and everything correctly. The first 4 segments were intense and had some great racing. Had anyone else won people would have viewed this race quite favorably. Much better than the past 2-3 All-Stars 312. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I still think the best comment I've ever seen on this site is the comment from "Darrell Waltrip" on Michael Waltrip's comment page." lol, I agree. The funniest part is when he plugs the "Digger Gear" at DWstore.com. 313. David posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is how they should have lined up entering pit road: 1. Kurt Busch (2.0) 2. Kyle Busch (2.0) 3. Kasey Kahne (4.75) 4. Jimmie Johnson (6.5) 5. Joey Logano (7.0) 6. Clint Bowyer (7.0) 7. Carl Edwards (7.75) 8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (8.75) 9. Denny Hamlin (9.5) 10. Jeff Gordon (10.0) 11. Jamie McMurray (10.0) 12. Kevin Harvick (11.25) 13. Matt Kenseth (12.0) 14. Ryan Newman (13.25) 15. Greg Biffle (13.5) 16. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (14.75) 17. Tony Stewart (16.25) 18. Mark Martin (16.5) 19. Marcos Ambrose (17.75) 20. David Ragan (19.75) 21. Danica Patrick (20.75) 314. 13 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @306 Does Brad at Texas chase race qualify as not giving up and racing JJ hard til the end? Thankfully this weekend is over and we can get to real racing at the Coke 600, Also I'm so glad i finally got to see Jamie Mac win a race I have never seen him win and hes my 4th favorite driver. Thats the high point of the year for me 315. Kool-Aid Man from SPEEDTV posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:44 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) Amazing run by Danica tonight 10 more laps and she would have won the race. 316. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...did SPEED actually say Danica had an impressive run tonight? I already changed the channel...if they actually said that, WOW. 317. 13 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok @311 How did they actually go down pit road? 318. ESPN posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:48 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) HISTORY folks, HISTORY!!! 319. Mr X posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Paul I'll tell you this, FOX didn't really show the OFFICIAL standings based on each drivers average running position at the end of each of the first four segments, instead what they showed was a random list of ten drivers paired up with a random number rounded to one decimal point which may or may not have had anything to do with each drivers average running position at the end of each of the first four segments. It was the most inaccurate thing I have ever seen on television, as DSFF and 18fan put it in comments 203 and 205 it was quite the fail by the outhouse. Especially given I worked out in my head that Kurt and Kyle would be tied for the lead. For example they said JJ would line up around 11th or 12th to pit, but he managed to come out of the pits in the top 3, when everyone was making the same four tire stop. As a fan you would have to figure it out yourself to understand where each driver pitted from. 320. Mr X posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Paul I'll tell you this, FOX didn't really show the OFFICIAL standings based on each drivers average running position at the end of each of the first four segments, instead what they showed was a random list of ten drivers paired up with a random number rounded to one decimal point which may or may not have had anything to do with each drivers average running position at the end of each of the first four segments. It was the most inaccurate thing I have ever seen on television, as DSFF and 18fan put it in comments 203 and 205 it was quite the fail by the outhouse. Especially given I worked out in my head that Kurt and Kyle would be tied for the lead. For example they said JJ would line up around 11th or 12th to pit, but he managed to come out of the pits in the top 3, when everyone was making the same four tire stop. As a fan you would have to figure it out yourself to understand where each driver pitted from. 321. Kool-Aid Man from SPEEDTV posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (4) (0) Tomorrow Morning's Schedule on ///NASCAR on SPEEDTV All-Star Post-Race-Post-Morning Show: 6:00 am to 8:00 am Breakfast with the Waltrips: 8:00 am to 8:30 am NASCAR A LIFE STORY: Brian France: 8:30 am to 9:00 am NASCR Racehub Rerun: 9:00 am to 10:00 am Dumbest Stuff on wheels (NASCAR Nationwide series documentary): 10:00 am to 12:00 am If you're a Euro Sissy and want to watch the 24 Hours of Nurburgring it's live on SPEED8.com the ocho. 322. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kool-Aid Man is just killing me right now. 323. Paul posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, at least David Ragan didn't finish last among cars running at the finish. Nice job by he and his team, not to mention a really nice payday. Solid night for Jamie McMurray as well, finishing in 8th place and being the only driver who transferred from the Showdown to finish in the top 15. Perhaps Michael Waltrip should hire Jamie Mac to drive one of his cars next year. He might actually have two cars visit victory lane next year if he were to do that. I must say, I feel pretty bad for Tony Stewart. He ran outside the top 10 all night (I never saw him in front of Gordon, who also was largely uncompetitive) and wasn't even the best driver on his team in a short field race. Plus, he was one of two Bass Pro Shops-sponsored cars in this race, and while he struggled just to stay in the top 15, Jamie Mac won the Showdown after leading all 40 laps, drove his way from 20th to 8th place in short time, and managed to finish where he ran by placing six spots ahead of Stewart in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if Bass Pro Shops were to take the majority of their sponsorship back to McMurray's team following this season, especially since McMurray now has as many wins this season as Stewart has top tens. I'm no Stewart fan by any means, but I really felt bad for him tonight given the circumstances. 324. Michael Waltrip posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:58 am Rate this comment: (7) (0) Hey, did I mention to y'all that I won this race in 1996? 325. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, Stewart was once again garbage all night. I'm really surprised that they haven't made some changes yet. 326. Robin Pemberton posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) All of you get $25,000 fines except for MSTALL who gets the Special Engine For the July Daytona Race. You can't trash the product and the Gen 6 car! 327. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh God, "Michael Waltrip" is now posting on this page... Sheesh, next we'll be seeing a comment from "Danica Patrick"... 328. Darrell Waltrip posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:03 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) What was more amazing tonight, Danica or The Gen 6 car? Both of them have saved NASCAR! 329. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Waltrip mania 330. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Waltrip mania" As if we don't get enough, lol 331. Michael Waltrip posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Perhaps Michael Waltrip should hire Jamie Mac to drive one of his cars next year. He might actually have two cars visit victory lane next year if he were to do that." Actually, we're gonna choose Brian Vickers because we feel like he's a future Cup champion. 332. TS1420 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:09 am Rate this comment: (6) (0) Oh god! Breakfast with the Waltrips? DW - Boogity Boogity! Let's have breakfast Boys! MW - Oh Good Morning Darrell. Lets sit down to our nice kitchen table from Aaron's and we'll start off breakfast with some scrumptious 5 Hour Energy Shots, followed by some lovely KFC Boneless Chicken, then after breakfast we'll hope in the Toyota Camry and drive on down to the NAPA Store and get some Peak Motor Oil to put in the Toyota Camry and get a new can of NAPA Know How. 333. ESPN posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:09 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) We here at ESPN will not drink the Kool Aid from any other network. Sunday Morning's Schedule from the worldwide leader in sports: 10th Consecutive block of Sportscenter at 6:00 AM Mike and Mike from Friday from 7:00-10:00 AM First Take Special Guest:Danica Patrick at 11:00 AM Pre-taped PBA Bowling beginning at 12:00 PM Relive Danica Patrick's Historic All Star Weekend at ESPN Deportes. You can follow us on Twitter @ESPNNetworks or like us on Facebook. ESPN: The Worldwide Leader in Sports 334. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol, Wow... 335. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) This is the strangest comments page I've seen in quite a while. 336. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:15 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "DW - Boogity Boogity! Let's have breakfast Boys!" For some reason, out of all the things that have been posted, THIS made me laugh the hardest. 337. Baker posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb, that is probably because it is 1:20 in the morning 338. Bronco posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) The All Star lost whatever its draw was a long time ago, time to end it already and give us a date at Iowa. 339. 83andJoe posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cautions: Lap 8-15: Rain (Lucky Dog: None) end lap 20: Competition (LD: None) Lap 25-28: #17, #55 accident trioval end lap 40: Competition (LD: None) end lap 60: Competition (LD: None) Lap 67-70: Debris (LD: None) end lap 80: Competition (LD: #16) 340. Kenny posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jesus Christ I freaking love you people XD What well you all thank of next? 341. TS1420 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 334, I guess people are just trying entertain themselves after receiving an almost lethal double dose of boredom (Vanilla Icehole winning at Charlotte's Cure For Insomnia Center) 342. MStall41 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I enjoyed the race tonight for the most part, but I'd be perfectly ok if NASCAR ditched the All Star race and revived the old Winston Million (under a new name of course), with the intent to bring some true prestige back to the sport's crown jewel event. It bothers me that the Coke 600 seemingly gets treated more and more like "just another race" every year. Its arguably the second or third biggest single day prize in the sport. I wish the media would act like thats the case. 343. Talon64 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The order going into the last set of pit stops prior to the 10 lap segment was determined by the following average finishes of the drivers through the first 4 segments: Rank Driver Avg 1 Kurt 2 2 Kyle 2 3 Kahne 4.75 4 Jimmie 6.5 5 Logano 7 6 Clint 7 7 Carl 7.75 8 Dale Jr. 8.75 9 Hamlin 9.5 10 Gordon 10 11 Jamie 10 12 Harvick 11.25 13 Matt 12 14 Newman 13.25 15 Biffle 13.5 16 Ricky 14.75 17 Stewart 16.25 18 Mark 16.5 19 Ambrose 17.75 20 Ragan 20 21 Danica 20.5 22 BraKes 22 Tiebreaker was finish in the 4th segment. I hope that'll show up alright when it posts. Joey Logano had finishes of 9th, 7th, 5th and 7th, good enough for the 5th best avg fin. And after coming off pit road 4th and on the outside he was eventually able to drive his way into a personal All-Star-best 2nd (3rd in 2009). A sneaky solid night. I'm calling it now, Joey Logano's winning the Coke 600. Charlotte's his best track and the switch to Penske clearly hasn't affected that. Although the Coke 600 and it's emphasis on long runs is a lot different than the short-run All Star race. 344. Kenny posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @ 323 Jesus Christ Jesus freaking Christ XD first look aid man now that who is this freaking genus why must you make me cry for why? XD 345. Baker posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:44 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The All star needs to go to a straight up Saturday night dirk track racing style format. No automatic qualifiers past champion or not no one gets a free pass if you want to be an all star you earn it. Just for an example that is easy on those math deficient readers lets say 48 cars enter the event. First off there would be qualifying just as normal any method you like. Basic high school gym rules count off by 4 and all the 1s, 2s, 3s and 4s run their heat races together. Each of the 4 heat races would consist of 12 cars and 20 laps and the Top 4 from each heat race transfer to the main event. Main event is 50 laps and the 16 who earned their spot in the race. No caution laps count. No fan vote. No 10 lap bore fest. No mandatory 4 tire stops. 346. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bruton and Danica too? Whoever is making these posts, you're killing me! 347. Brian France posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:56 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "No automatic qualifiers past champion or not no one gets a free pass if you want to be an all star you earn it." You mean...there's a chance Junior and Danica wouldn't make it in? Unacceptable! 348. Schroeder51 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So when are Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus going to post a comment on here? 349. Kenny posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope they don't I hate those guys 350. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:07 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) All we need now is a comment from the king and it'll be complete. 351. ISC Stockholder posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:08 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) Iowa will never get a race date and there is nothing the Court system can do about it as long a France Family member is in charge. If Bruton doesn't give any of his tracks another Date, I want the France Family to give Chicagoland a 2nd date and build a Casino at the race track. Screw Darlington getting a 2nd date. It's not in a big market and I don't care about tradition at all since they don't the amounting seating as I desire. All I care about is a race track having alot of seats and make a lot of money on my stock. Selling Rockingham is the best thing that ever happened to that smelly toilet bowl excuse of a race track. Brian France, Mike Helton, and Robin Pemberton are doing great jobs. Speed, ESPN, and Fox are great for NASCAR Coverage. Danica Patrick is the best thing that has happened to NASCAR since Dale Jr. came to NASCAR. 352. ISC Stockholder posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) I forgot to mention Jimmie Johnson winning tonight is a thing of beauty with a great crew chief that never cheats in Chad Knaus. 353. AveryNH posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn Bob Bahre returned from the dead just to comment on this race! I think this board has everybody covered now. Funny stuff! 354. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:57 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) The anger that Jimmie Johnson gets is truly incredible. The things that people blame him for is so out of touch with logic that most of it is not worth even responding to. I am not a Jimmie Johnson fan, my #1 guy is Brad Keselowski and it's been Brad Keselowski since 2006. I've never owned a piece of 48 car merchandise. I'm not biased in his favor at all. What I'm saying, though, is that dominators of the sport are nothing new. There's ALWAYS the cream rising to the top. It just so happens that in this era of stock car racing, Jimmie Johnson and his team are incredible. Jeff Gordon had an incredible 6 year run (and great years after that). Dale Earnhardt had an incredible run. Richard Petty had an incredible run. There's always the roughly 5 guys in any given era who separate themselves from the rest and fight each other for all the glory. Jimmie is not the reason for all of NASCAR's problems, and it's not even close. Loads of people hated Gordon. Loads of people hated Earnhardt. Loads of people hate Johnson. Winners get hated. The guy didn't even win the last 2 championships and yet he's still the reason for NASCAR's demise because his team hasn't fallen off and everyone knows he can and likely will win at least another championship. Enjoy the ride, because like it or not, you're watching someone who will go down as one of the greatest NASCAR drivers ever. 355. Sky Warrior posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't wanna say I told you so, but earlier in the week I posted saying this race would blow and got blasted for supposedly being ignorant of the wonderful new rule changes NASCAR made to the format. Granted, I predicted sandbagging, but given the reception of the race from everyone on here, it doesn't appear I was too far off the mark 356. Anonymous posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @148: That's entirely irrelevant. The Long Beach GP was contested entirely by former Champ Car teams, and those teams were wholly uncompetitive during the entire 2008 season. Had they been in Motegi instead, they would have made absolutely no impact on the outcome of the race. 357. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.19.2013 - 4:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Based on the joy expressed here I'd say the hack-who-is-only-as-good-as-his-car won again. 358. Sky Warrior posted: 05.19.2013 - 5:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Has anyone else read what sponsor Trevor Bayne will have next weekend? 359. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 5:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh, yeah, did I mention that I'm a convicted felon who got a presidential pardon from Clinton based on the fact that I'm a rich democrat?" I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but Rick Hendrick is more widely known as a republican. His affiliation is almost always listed as republican and you can find out on the internet that most of his donations are to republicans. However, he has donated to some democratic nominees from time to time, so even though he mostly likes republicans, many people would consider him to be a traitor on that basis alone, being that most people who go on about politics all day long rarely talk about the issues but rather take sides and spew nonsense. If they aint toein the party line all the time, they a liberal! I looked deep into the Rick Hendrick situation, and frankly, he's not the big bad wolf everyone makes him out to be with the Honda situation. Honda was shaking their top dealers down in order for the dealers to get enough cars, and Rick was one of the top dealers who was going along with Honda's game, so he paid for it. There has been corruption far beyond what Rick's done with other owners in NASCAR. 360. Anthony posted: 05.19.2013 - 5:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) How many more times man how many more times are we seeing Jimmie Johnson in victory lane. If he wins the championship I quit watching NASCAR Period. Jimmie ain't no Dale Earnhardt I can promise you that he ain't no Earnhardt he's not the next Jeff Gordon he's coming out of nowhere to steal the shows. Dale Earnhardt does a better hell of a job then Jimmie Johnson because Jimmie never met Dale Earnhardt & never heard about him. So what makes this team great. And don't give me negative comments I don't care you put either Jimmie Johnson or Chad Knaus whatever I know there people trying to think they are them out there not REAL!!!!!!! 361. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.19.2013 - 6:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You really think these people who are posting as "Michael Waltrip" and others want you to believe they're real? It's all for kicks, and if you think they're real, you need to take a logic course. How do you grenade a transmission on lap 2? 362. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ISC Stockholder at least you still have money in the bank the SMI guys have 3 cents a share. And Dover is even worse. 363. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:51 am Rate this comment: (5) (0) The Fact that a comment section on a niche motorsport website is more entertaining than what is supposed to be an "epic shootout for 2 Million Dollars under the lights", should send alarm bells to NASCAR about the future of this All Star Race. 364. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:59 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) "How many more times man how many more times are we seeing Jimmie Johnson in victory lane. If he wins the championship I quit watching NASCAR Period." If you're gonna quit watching the sport because a 5 time champion with 62 points race wins keeps on winning, then you never liked the sport to begin with. Welcome to racing. People are gonna dominate. Jimmie's gonna keep on trying to set records, and once he retires, someone else not named Earnhardt is going to dominate and bother fans as well. If your love for the sport is based on who is winning and who is not winning, why did you start watching the sport to begin with? 365. Brad24 posted: 05.19.2013 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've said it before, I'll say it again. Just like the NBA and MLB, NASCAR needs to have its All-Star Race at a different track each year. It's pretty clear that it's not as exciting as FOX/Speed makes it out to be. It's become dull and watered-down over the years at Charlotte. Changes need to be made. If this race is supposed to be about the fans, then the fans should have a say where they race. Have the race on a different type of track each year and let the fans vote on where they race. Doesn't have to be a night race, but it should be diverse. 366. Hank1469 posted: 05.19.2013 - 9:59 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) Whole race sucked!!! 367. The Terminator posted: 05.19.2013 - 10:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another thrilling,action-packed "all-star" race.And JJ winning,now that's something you don't see everyday.Nascar is the most unpredictable thrilling "sport" in the world right now! 368. MStall41 posted: 05.19.2013 - 10:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie should just run under a pseudonym and in an unsponsored white race car, that way when he wins fans won't freak out. 369. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 10:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) These comments have cracked me up! Entertaining as hell. I was so disgusted with this race, I was gonna not come here for a few days just to get this awful taste out of my system. But I decided to check in and laughed my ass off. You guys are the best. Even you Bronco :) 370. Peter posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have an innovative idea to breath new-life into this race: make it a NASCAR-wide all-star race, give the top two in points in all NASCAR sanctioned series an automatic birth in the race. Have #'s 3 and 4 in the points compete in a preliminary where the top three advance into the main race. And to level the playing field have the drivers compete in identical cars(a'la IROC) 371. Baker posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:04 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) Waldo, You are delusional. Yes, the sport has always had its domination and a lot of hate followed those who were dominant, however, those others also had large fan followings. You would be hard pressed to find a true Jimmie Johnson fan anywhere except maybe California. I hated Jeff Gordon's winning ways for a very long time. It was boring watching the same driver win every thing in site especially when I didn't have a favorite driver to follow at the time(Davey passed away shortly after I adopted him as a favorite). I never hated Jeff Gordon as a race driver, person or personality though. Jimmie Johnson's hate stretches far beyond just people bored with him winning. Hell Jimmie is not even half as dominant as Jeff Gordon was in the mid to late 90s and fans hate him far far more. 372. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Do you guys realize BoB's average segment finishing position was only 1.25 spots than Brad's average end of segment position? And he blew up on lap 3! @Ben Lowe: THIS IS THE DOGGONDEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN! That was such a classic broadcasting moment. Man I miss those guys. And those days. And those drivers. And those cars. And the daytime Firecracker 400. 373. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guys, I don't think they dislike Jimmie Johnson anywhere near as much as they detest his crew chief Chad Knaus. It's more like Jimmie's "guilty by association". Sure, they don't like Jimmie for much the same reason they disliked Jeff Gordon, and that is that they came from a completely different part of the country (California) and do not have the same racing background as the other stock car greats. Jeff came from sprint cars and Jimmie's background was the same as Rick Mears, off-road racing. That all adds up to the fact that the traditional stock car fans could not, and still can not identify with them. It is for that reason why I said two years ago that Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., the Dillon brothers, Trevor Bayne, and other young drivers who came from the Southeast are important to rebuilding the traditional fan base, because they all come from the Southeast. 374. Cornys posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What do you guys think about moving the All-Star race about 82 miles to the South West? :) Like that will ever happen :x 375. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) You mean the daytime, tape-delayed Firecracker 400, because nobody's going to air it live at that hour. Only ESPN would take that risk when they did. If it returns to a late-morning race, it will almost certainly have to be shown on tape delay like it was when ABC had the race because nobody's going to air it live at that hour in the morning. 376. Cornys posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) South East that is in my previous post :X 377. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) God Bless America flat: Check Butcher National Anthem: Check 45 Minutes of Pre-Race Hoopla complete with lazers and fireworks when rain is on the way: Check Rain Delay: Check Empty Seats: Check Boring Race: Check Hendrick car winning: Check Jimmie Johnson winning: Check So glad I gave up my season tickets to this track back in 2007, it just hasn't been the same since they repaved it and Humpy left. 378. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Billion Dollar Bruton gave his son a free job. The American dream baby! 379. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) cjs, the problem is not only Knaus. It is the fact that Johnson has established himself as not only unfeeling, but as one of the most arrogant athletes we have ever had period. The thing that made the domination of people like Gordon, Earnhardt, and Petty was that, while they were annoying for winning a lot, they don't see themselves as being superior to their fans and deserving of idolatry. 380. #78 Pit Crew posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) We know, we let you guys down. We're sorry you had to sit through the 48 winning again, we didn't like it either. 381. Anthony posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @Watto because Jeff & Dale were the Top2 Dominates of the '90s along with several others like Terry Labonte, Jeff Burton, Dale Jarrett, Rusty Wallace, Bobby Labonte, Mark Martin, Ricky Rudd, & Even Ernie Irvan. But I've always been a Gordon fan he's a champion race car driver. It's been 12 years 12 Years since our last championship & honestly what made Jeff Gordon keep on losing the championship. It's the chase format it's the car that he owns & its the 48 car he's own it since 2002. & since 2003 Jimmie has been finishing ahead of Jeff Gordon every single year like all the freakin time no matter what year it is period. Jeff should've been an owner that mess up his career period. It's like waiting so so long just wanting that championship that's been eluding Jeff Gordon & its almost like this. Imagine if First Take ESPN First Take talks about this Jimmie Johnson. Like as of Kevin Durant was wanting to win an NBA Championship until he lost to the Grizzlies. Or when Dan Marino the greatest NFL Player never won a Super Bowl Title & another thing Tiger Woods in Golf always D Best & The Yankees & my Braves are playing solid. But the whole point is that's why Jeff Gordon can't win Championships because of this Jimmie Johnson. And if Jimmie ran the Nationwide Series he pretty much be a huge factor in terms of winning it & really it brings this to me Jimmie needs to calm down he's being like Tom Brady Shaquille O'Neal Hank Aaron LeBron James & all the other Athletes combine Jimmie even at 37 just stop it please. This is why Jeff Gordon don't win Championships because of how dumb his pit crew is. Jimmie you are nothing but Total I mean TOTAL GARBAGE!!!!!! This is so fixed! Jeff Gordon needs to fight back here & now! 382. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Guys, I don't think they dislike Jimmie Johnson anywhere near as much as they detest his crew chief Chad Knaus." This is how I am. I respect the hell out of Jimmie (I just don't like his bland personality and how he can be a sore loser sometimes). But I have absolutely no respect for Chad and his dictator like "perfect or you're fired" attitude towards the 48 guys. And obviously his shady legality background also speaks for itself. 383. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "What do you guys think about moving the All-Star race about 82 miles to the South West?" I feel like they should move it around everywhere. Charlotte is just so dull. Why not rotate it to a different track every year? 384. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Note to the organizers of the course for the X Games women's motocross event: those rocks were a bad f***ing idea. Also, you really need to rethink that first little bit right after they leave the gate to start, they all got stuck. And one other thing. I am far from a member of The Concussion Police. I understand that, in sports, you are gonna get your bell rung quite a few times and feel we have become too sensitive to this subject. Its unfortunate, but one of the prices you have to pay to be an athlete. But for the love of God, will you guys PLEASE make helmets mandatory for the skateboarders. I spent an hour watching the free style skateboarding deal and watched too many people with no helmets fall and hit their exposed head on the concrete. I'm not asking them to do what the NFL has done and alter the entire sport to avoid one or two extra squash scramblers. Just mkae them wear a freaking helmet. 385. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have an idea to help Jimmie from driving the sport into the ground like he has been doing for the past 10 years: let Terry Crews do all of his interviews for him. PA PA PA PA PA PA POWER!!!!!!!!!!! 386. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Do you guys realize BoB's average segment finishing position was only 1.25 spots than Brad's average end of segment position? And he blew up on lap 3!" Absolutely ridiculous. This just goes to show that she didn't deserve to be in the race. 387. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Comment section better than the race. 388. Anonymous posted: 05.19.2013 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How did Bowyer finish 18th? 389. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Jimmie Johnson. I'm bored of the ALL Star Race. Go back to the 1992/1993 setup. Yet, I even bet that won't change anything. The track is to familiar to these drivers. Eeryone knows their way around. It all becomes a matter of who has the best car and if your lap times are quicker then others. Yes, you could pass this year, but still... Well, next week WILL be better. i can watch the Indy 500 w/o Slamica Pornographic. Yes, she'll be int he 600 miler, but i can handle that. 390. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yes, I am serious about how happy I am that Johnson won the race. Deal with it. I am VERY Happy. Just bored with how it came about so obviously. Either a Busch bro or Johnson would win, I knew that a week ago. I'd be happy either way, but just bored. 391. Bronco posted: 05.19.2013 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truly amazing that Kyle Busch has led laps in every All-Star Race that he has been in (since 2006) but has won none of them. Even more amazing is the fact that Tony Stewart couldn't crack the top 10 even in a non points race with only 18 competitive drivers running at the end. 392. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @389, I always thought the inversion after the first 30-lap segment was the best format, and because there were two segments left totalling 40 laps, there was still time for the top cars and drivers to race their way back through the field, and more than once the car that won the first 30-lap segment also won the race, but he had to earn it by passing the field. The partial field inversion was the best form of that because the drivers couldn't sandbag and intentionally run at the back to start the second segment at the front. And the segments being at 30 laps gave the competitors time if they had a long run car, or were a patient driver that let the field string out to establish themselves as contenders. That's because you had to build both speed (for the 10-lap sprint) and consistency (for the 30-lap segments) into a car's set-up. But now it's just run as hard as you can all the time, and that by itself will legislate some drivers out of the possibility to truly compete before the race even begins. And Bronco, you state that it's amazing that Tony Stewart couldn't break into the top ten, virtually at any time in the race, in a field of 22 cars, not all of which are competitive, like the #10 and #34 cars. Well, Jeff Gordon finished outside of the top ten in the All-Star Race for the seventh consecutive year, with 12th being his second-best finish over that period. Eve worse for him is the fact that he may have to go through the Showdown next year and possibly rely on trhe fan vote to get in, because that team seems to be geting worse by the week, and only Jeff Gordon's ability and professionalism is even keeping that team afloat these days. 393. DW17 posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i thought kurt busch was gonna win the final segment too. he and jimmie were fast all race long 394. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Eve worse for him is the fact that he may have to go through the Showdown next year and possibly rely on trhe fan vote to get in, because that team seems to be geting worse by the week" He's won a championship in the past ten years, so that won't happen unless they change the eligibility rules. 395. 18fan posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree that the 30-30-10 with the inversion after segment 1 was the best format. 396. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoops, disregard my post 394. I thought CJS was talking about Stewart when in fact he was talking about Gordon. 397. NadeauFan91 posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) A wave of indifference has rained over me in light of last nights race. Why do we even run this anymore? 398. 18fan posted: 05.19.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With Gordon's last championship and All-Star win both coming in 2001, they were both over 10 years ago so he cannot get those exemptions. 399. MStall41 posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone on all the forums I watch were thoroughly enjoying the race for the first 4 segments. Then the 5th segment came along, was dry compared to the rest, and saw 48 win. Immediately, the "whole race sucked", "NASCAR is doomed", "Johnson cheats" blah blah blah. I don't get NASCAR fans sometimes. 400. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going off topic briefly, I didn't know that Derrick Walker, the long-time team manager at Penske Racing before he became a car owner himself, was now working for Ed Carpenter's team. Maybe Carpenter's rise to the top of the leaderboard in recent years, culminating with his surprise pole position for the Indianapolis 500, is not such a big surprise after all. 401. Jay posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Great race! 402. 13 posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Did anyone just watch Ken Schrader win the ARCA race? 403. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR should run the All Star race at Toledo. 404. Paul posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Damn, I missed Kenny's win! I'll be sure to catch the replay tomorrow morning. Along with the satirical comments on this board since last night, knowing that Kenny Schrader won today just made my weekend. 405. AveryNH posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I caught the last hundred laps and just now am flipping over to playoff hockey. Really glad speed showed this race live. Wish they'd show more even if it was on tape delay. Excited for the V8 supercars race coming up too. 406. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MStall41, I just think the segments were too short. 10 minutes of racing at one time maximum? That's far too short. The segments leading up to the final sprint need to be at least 30 laps, if not as long as 40 laps. If they're going to do a 90-lap race, it should be 40-40-10, and if they do 100 laps, which I think is a good idea since it would make the race longer than the Truck Series race, it should be 30-30-30-10, with at least a partial field inversion between segments one and two (or two and three in a four-segment race), and drop the pit stops between the segments. And while I'm at it, they should make the Showdown 40 or 50 laps with no break in the middle of the race. And does anyone else realize that from 1987-'89, the Showdown was a 150-mile race and the All-Star Race was a 200-mile race and in 1990, they were both 200-mile races? Now I don't necessarily think they should go back to that, but I think they should make the Showdown a one-segment race, and the All-Star Race a three or four segment race with longer segments and an inversion between two of the segments (1-2 in a three segment race and either 1-2 or 2-3 in a four-segment race), as long as it's not before the last segment, since that would give those up front no chnace at all to win. 407. MStall41 posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Completely agree CJS. Also, I think you'd probably agree with me that the cars are simply going too fast right now. The racing is worlds better than the COT era IMO, but until speeds go down, the draft comes back into play, and they stop running the cars with the front ends sealed off, it'll be tough to get the racing back to where it was in the 80s and 90d 408. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, the 4 tire mandatory stop for a 10 lap shootout is stupid as it essentially ensures the race will come down to clean air. 409. murb posted: 05.19.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NO!!!! I MISSED A SCHRADER WIN?!?!?!? DAMN ME!!!! 410. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.19.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I missed a real treat, dang! Congrats to Schrader!! 411. rtcrules posted: 05.19.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael Schumacher/Jimmie Johnson Both had long runs on top that drove viewers away. And I think like Schumcher, Johnson's run will be greater appreciated years later. I have this feeling the 48 team's goal this year is to win the chase and total season points in such a dominating way that they dont want to prove they're the top team, but there's nobody close. They want to prove that they belong in that Petty/Earnhardt tier with a signature season. 412. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.19.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Kenny Schrader on breaking Iggy Katona's 39 year-old record to become the oldest driver to ever win an ARCA race! 413. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MStall41, of course the cars are going way too fast. That's the biggest reason why the drivers and cars can't really race any more. With the higher speeds comes a narrowing of the area of the track they can race in, and the aerodynamics of the cars make it so that the draftis no longer a factor because not only do they punch a smaller hole in the air, but even if they did punch a bigger hole in the air, they couldn't get close enough to use the draft anyway. I personally have no problem with the teams sealing off the air dams at the front of the cars, because that's a chance they take on blowing their engines due to getting them too hot. I also want to correct what I said in post #406. In 1990, the Showdown was 200 miles (won by the recently deceased Dick Trickle), but the All-Star Race was just 105 miles, the original race distance. That year, the first 75-lap segment was eliminated and the final segment was doubled to 20 laps, but the 50-lap segment remained until 1992. 414. jabber1990 posted: 05.19.2013 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) in comment to whoever that was who said Hendrick was a republican im not trying to start anything political (for once) but I was under the impression that most people affiliated with NASCAR (drivers, Team owners, fans) were Republican, or fans of the right cause I know Truex (and I think Biffle) didnt have anything nice to say about the result of the 2012 elections, neither did we (but then again, we werent saying anything nice about Romney either) 415. jabber1990 posted: 05.19.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) the reason I dont like inversion is becasue it leads to sandbagging but I thought about this still do a time-tial type thing, the first row and the last row remain the same, so that way there is less sandbagging the same theory for the race, have an inversion, I think a "race for last" would be awsome! somebody on the NASCAR memes facebook page said (as a troll) do 20 laps one way, do 20 laps backwards, (I assume he meant where they turn right) and 20 laps with plates and 20 laps on dirt I have no clue how you do 20 laps with plates at CMS but I like the other 2 ideas 416. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only Democrat I know of is Kyle Petty and he has expressed Liberal views in the past to the media. The Media itself is very democratic though with Pockrass, Gluck, Utter and Fryer. Most of the garage is Republican or non-affiliated 417. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.19.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's funny about Kyle's political beliefs is that is father is the exact opposite. Richard even appeared on the FOX News show Hannity. 418. Kenny posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) *fluttershy reads all that has been writion* Fluttershy:yay 419. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hell Jimmie is not even half as dominant as Jeff Gordon was in the mid to late 90s and fans hate him far far more." The idea that Jimmie is hated way more than Jeff was in his heyday is absolutely ridiculous. Have you ever seen how loud he got booed back in the day? Do you remember how loud the cheers where when he'd drive a destroyed race car back to the garage? We didn't have a huge internet community at the time to check opinions out on, but Johnson has basically never seen as loud of cheers or boos depending on the situation as Gordon did back then. It's not even close. Talladega fans throwing crap on the track multiple times. Did you go to races back then as well as races today? The difference is INCREDIBLE. Jeff Gordon was hated by crowds back then way more than Jimmie is today and I stand by that 1000%. You called me delusional in your post but you might have to take a look in the mirror, because there was a whole lot of logic in my posts and there's a whole lot of emotion in yours. 420. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "It is the fact that Johnson has established himself as not only unfeeling, but as one of the most arrogant athletes we have ever had period." Have you ever seen Kyle Busch? Tony Stewart? Kevin Harvick? Those 3 alone have exhibited far more arrogance in their careers than Jimmie ever has, but considering your thoughts that you've made clear on this site, it's no secret that you are a huge hater of this driver. Jimmie's been a sportsman in countless scenarios, it's not every year that the rival of the champion goes to victory lane to shake the champion's hand and congratulate him. The examples that you have brought up in the past that show Johnson's arrogance were small time stuff compared to at least 1/3 of the series roster, which is why all I can do is shake my head when you call him one of the most arrogant athletes we've ever had period. You really hate the guy because he has outperformed Jeff Gordon for the majority of his career and you've made excuses for that repeatedly. You need a level of ego to be able to make it in this sport, let alone any other sport, but there are a number of examples of people way more arrogant. 421. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "in comment to whoever that was who said Hendrick was a republican im not trying to start anything political (for once) but I was under the impression that most people affiliated with NASCAR (drivers, Team owners, fans) were Republican, or fans of the right" Yeah, in this sport the majority lean to the right, I'd say. The reason I pointed out that Hendrick was a republican was because someone was criticizing him and happened to mention that he's a "rich democrat", which isn't true. 422. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My racing weekend just got better. I missed a Kenny Schrader win. F***. 423. cjs3872 posted: 05.19.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jabber1990, that's why I like the idea of a partial field inversion with the number of cars that are inverted decided by a draw-type formula, as was done in the late 90s, so the drivers don't know how many positions will be inverted. It could be 6, 8, 10, 12, but decide the number in a way that the drivers don't know how many will be inverted. If you do that kind of partial field inversion, there can't be any sandbagging because nobody knows how many cars wll be inverted. 424. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.19.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Watto, everybody shakes the hand of the champion after finishing second unless they are injured (Herb Thomas), so that's irrelevant. The point is this: Johnson has a massive attitude problem. Anytime anyone opposes his authority where in actuality (Kurt Busch) or in fantasy (Sam Hornish), he gets a massive "I'm Jimmie Johnson and you have to fall over for me" streak. There is another difference. You cite Harvick, Stewart, and Busch as examples of arrogance. Busch and Harvick don't display arrogance; they display immaturity. What Johnson and Stewart show is arrogant, and if you can't give an interview without acting like "I'm Jesus Christ; worship me," you have big ego issues. 425. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You are right in that Johnson doesn't get booed near as often as Jeff Gordon, however, Jeff Gordon got his hate from Dale Earnhardt fans. Jimmie Johnson doesn't have a rival fan base near as prominent as Dale's. I looked in the mirror and found you were still the delusional one. 426. Baker posted: 05.19.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Post 425 was actually me. I meant to address that too Watto instead typed Watto into the name. Woops. 427. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah when I read that it totally seemed like an honest mistake that you were meaning to address it to me, so no worries. I totally agree - the rivalry with Earnhardt is what caused Gordon to be hated more. But when I responded, I was responding to a quote that simply said that Johnson is hated far more. He doesn't have an active rivalry with a legend of the sport, so that probably has led to less hate than if he were the new guy winning championships over a legend like Earnhardt, but we were dealing with an absolute there, so there are different reasons and different variables, but Gordon was hated more in his heyday. Maybe I shouldn't have called you delusional in response (I think I was originally called delusional), but I truly don't believe I'm being very delusional. In fact, you agreed with my point... you just pointed out the reason for it. 428. Watto posted: 05.19.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoFan - I don't think that's an absolute, I don't remember Denny going to victory lane to congratulate Jimmie after their 2010 title fight, BUT I may be wrong, and if so, I apologize. I've seen a lot of arrogance all around NASCAR, and I don't see the attitude problems to the extent that you do. There are people who are way cockier and exhibit way less sportsmanship, and I think that says a lot. The examples of Kurt Busch and Hornish are parallels to run-ins that half of the series has had. We've seen Danica Patrick intentionally wreckign guys like Cassill, Kennedy, Shepherd, etc, and she's flipping out over even the most minor of accidents. When we saw Kurt Busch and Jimmie have problems, that was an ongoing thing that only escalated to the climax at RIchmond where Kurt dumped Jimmie and Jimmie simply dumped him back. I think I can draw the same parallels to run ins with other drivers. First of all, the Clint Bowyer/Jeff Gordon thing was WAY worse than the Kurt Busch/Jimmie Johnson thing, speaking as someone who's not a Jeff Gordon fan and not a Jimmie Johnson fan. I don't know if people agree with me there, but that's the way I saw it. You don't like Jimmie Johnson very much, and you're painting a darker picture than what is really true. 429. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.19.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Actually what made Gordon so hated was that he won EVERY FREAKING WEEK! I was an Earnhardt fan, and my dislike of him came from knowing the chances of watching the next 3 races, no matter where in the season we were at, without having to see that little twerp in victory lane were slim to none. This "rivalry" between Dale and Jeff is total revisionist history and WAY overblown. There was no rivalry. Dale was hurt and aging and his team was falling further behind by the week it seemed. We just wanted to see him relevant week in and week out again (we finally got our wish in 2000) and wanted to see somebody else win a damn race. The two wishes really weren't all that interrelated. The real difference OLD SPICE BODY WASH MAKES YOU SMELL LIKE POWERRRRRRRRRRR!!! OLD SPICE BODY WASH IS SO POWERFUL IT SELLS ITSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF POSTS ON RACING MESSAGE BOARDS! EXPLOSION! PA PA PA PA PA PA POWER!!!!!!!! is that people tuned in to NASCAR in the late 90's to see if somebody could beat Jeff. Nowadays Jimmie just causes people to turn the channel or not tune in at all. He has got to be the most boring human being on the face of the Earth. 430. MStall41 posted: 05.20.2013 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) If the racing itself were better (and it's getting better, don't get me wrong) it wouldn't matter who won every week. 431. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 12:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well DSFF, I'll always wonder what would have happened if Richard Childress would not have made such a horrible decision in not adequately replacing Andy Petree after the 1995 season, because if not for that, I think we would have seen Dale, Sr. and Jeff Gordon battle for about three years with both at or near the top of the sport. Everyone talks about the crash at Talladega that he had in July of 1996, which effectively ended his quest for the championship that year, but he was already sliding because of one of the worst personnel decisions any car owner has ever made, and I don't think he finishes any higher than third, even if he doesn't have that crash, though I think he could have beaten out Dale Jarrett for third that year, and in 1997, Larry McReynolds, while a very competent crew chief, as evidenced by 22 wins, including two Daytona 500s, 1 Coca-Cola 600, an until last night, the only crew chief to win consecutive All-Star Races, was a poor match for Dale, Sr., which cost him (Dale, Sr.) two more years. It wasn't until 1999 that he became relevant again on a regular basis, so we only got to see Dale, Sr. against Jeff when they were both at or near their peak for about a year and a half (1995 and the first half of '96), so the fans may have been cheated from that perspective. At least the fans got to see Jeff race against both Jimmie and Tony Stewart when they were all at their peaks, and they all fared well against the others, and although Jimmie has the obvious statistical advantage over that period, Jeff and Tony got their fair share at Jimmie's expense. And as I've stated, Jimmie has said that one of his biggest regrets will always be that he never got to race against Dale, Sr., something Tony was able to do for two years, and even then, it would have been nice to see Dale, Sr. and Stewart have more races where they competed against each other, as well. That's what the fans were robbed of when Dale, Sr. was killed at the end of the 2001 Daytona 500, because we never got to see Dale, Sr. race very much with Stewart, and never go to see him race agaist Jimmie before his inevitable retirement, which sadly never happened. That's also why Ryan Newman calls qualifying for the fall race at Phoenix in 2000 one of his biggest career highlights, because that was the only time he ever raced with Dale, Sr. 432. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.20.2013 - 1:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Dale could win the 1980 Winston Cup title starting the season with mercurial grizzeled old vet Jake Elder as his crew chief and ending it with 20 year old laid back Californian Doug Richert calling the shots, I think he handle Richard's "crew chief by committee" 1996 brainchild. While that was not a smart move by Richard, the truth is it was a number of other bad decisions that submarined the end of Dale's career along with his Talladega wreck. Richard ws late to the party of multi car teams and engineering that took the sport by storm starting in 1995. Not having a second car until '97 was not very timely. Plus Richard did it all wrong. Instead of the classic "one team fielding two cars" approach, he basically started an entirely new team, with people doing the same tasks on the different cars. The teams were in different shops, rode to the track in different planes, etc. So not only was Dale not getting the benefits of the extra info that HMS and Roush were getting, it was actually dragging him down along with injuries and Father Time. Worst of all, the second driver Richard put in the car as Dale's teammate was Mike Skinner, somebody Dale openly detested. I don't care how much Richard invested in Mike for those years in the Trucks, Dale is The Franchise Driver To End All Franchise Drivers. You dump Skinner and find somebody Dale likes better. This was an error Dale himself would avoid heading into 2001 as he dropped Hornaday despite investing 6 years in him in the Trucks and Busch. He knew Hornaday was not Cup caliber and would bring down his young hot shoes Dale Jr and Steve Park. As bad as Mikey is, at least he never battled his position at DEI. Yet despite all these factors working against Dale from '95-'00 (Richard being an anchor, injuries, aging, bad engineering, bad team setup, bad teammate) he still won 13 races over this stretch and finished 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, and 2nd over that stretch. This following a stretch of 6 championships in 9 seasons with a team that didn't even have a setup plate. Best ever. 433. Eric posted: 05.20.2013 - 6:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think a 2nd RCR team would have been so-so even without Skinner. My reasoning is the fact if RCR had to pick a 2nd team driver for 1995. The problem is the 18 car and the 28 car were open for 1995. I don't think Dale Jarrett and Bobby Labonte would have jumped into the 2nd RCR car for 1995 because there is no owner points for the 2nd RCR. That meant Bill Elliott would have been the driver of the 2nd RCR team, but it would be a bad mix at RCR on Certain tracks and Bill Elliott and Dale Sr. had different driving styles. RCR wasn't known for having the fastest engines, but won at Charlotte and Atlanta multiple times with Dale. I don't Bill would be any good to Dale at Short Tracks, and Bill's best days for plate racing was in the early days of it. I think Bill would have won in a RCR from 1995 to 2000 since Bill was very good at places like Darlington, Rockingham, and Dover even possibly at Atlanta. The problem is I don't think RCR wouldn't have the horsepower for Bill to win at Pocono. I question also how many shots Bill have chance to win at TMS, Auto Club, and Homestead in RCR equipment. 434. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.20.2013 - 6:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oooooooo Yeahhhhhhh Snap into a Slim Jim. Hard to believe its been two years since the Macho Man Randy Savage passed... RIP Macho Madness. 435. David posted: 05.20.2013 - 10:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My comments are no longer appearing. 436. David posted: 05.20.2013 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Until now. Why was the Danica Patrick comment deleted? 437. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 10:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not only that Eric, but Bill wil always be knownas a Ford guy, so that wouldn't have worked either. And the plain truth is that Dale never liked the idea of having a teammate to begin with, so I don't think he would have liked whoever his teammate was. The same is true regarding Rusty Wallace. He never liked the idea of having a teammate, which is why he never got along with any of his teammates, except his brother Mike for the brief time they were teammates at Penske Racing late in the 2001 season. He never saw eye-to-eye with either Jeremy Mayfield or Ryan Newman, but that's no knock on either of them, but rather a testimony to the fact that Rusty did not realy want teammate, and that's true of Dale, as well. Dale wold not have gotten along with any teammate. Also, I do not include 1995 in what I said earlier because he had a good crew chief and a great season that year. But the decision to not have a crew chief for 1996, then a mismatched crew chief for 1997-early '98 effectively cost him three years. Certainly the crasat Talladega in 1996 didn't help matters, but Richard Childress' bad personnel decisions was what really torpedoed that team. And the second team RCR had was going nowhere as long as Dale was the driver, it as simple as that, because Dale would not allow it to flourish. nowhere was that more evident than the 1999 Daytona 500 when Dale chose to team up with Jeff Gordon than his own teammate Mike Skinner. But it could have been anyone, Dale would never allow a second driver to be successful there. His ego simply wouldn't allow it. 438. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.20.2013 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ARCA and 24 Hours of Nurburgring saved the weekend for me. As well as Carpenter getting the Indy pole. 439. Rusty posted: 05.20.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) The 78 car has been real awesome this year, it sucks they bombed the last pit stop or they could've been a million dollars richer. But they got the speed in that car, they just gotta put it all together. Kurt seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders too, so hopefully they can win a race and sneak into the Chase. As for the race itself, it sucked, as usual. First of all, the Open needs changes. I hate the stupid 2nd place transfers thing. It takes excitement away from the race when 2nd place has no interest in trying to run down the leader for all the marbles, ala Brian Vickers running over Mike Bliss to win years back. I think we could've had a good finish if Stenhouse tried to catch and race McMurray for the win. The fan vote thing annoys me, because we end up with overhyped trash like Danica in the big show. But I'd keep it since this race is supposed to be for the fans anyways. They need to be way stricter with how they advance though. As for the big show. Bring back inverting the field and eliminating drivers. It adds a unique unknown excitement to the race. Get rid of all the stupid segments, we don't need 5 of them. Give us two fifty lap segments with a 15 minute halftime break to work on the cars. At the halftime break, you get the random inverting of the field with some of the bottom cars being eliminated. I also think going a lap down should automatically eliminate you from the race. 440. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rusty, I agree with some of those points and disagree with others. I agree with the point about inverting the field, at least partially. The way they did that in the late 90s was the best way. What they did was to have a floor and ceiling in terms of the number of cars they would invert, and decide the number by a lottery. That meant that even those in some of the potential invert spots had to race hard because it wasn't guaranteed that they would benefit from an inversion. But I disagree with the eimination. No cars should ever be eliminated from a race just on their running position. Just imagine if the cut he field downto ten cars for the final segment, and more than half, or almost all of them of them got in a big wreck. Then there wouldn't be aybody left to race, and that kind of thing has happened. And the idea of automatically eliminating a driver just because they go down a lap is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of, especially now since there are numerous ways to get a lap back. Take Greg Biffle for example. Biffle got a lap down because of having to make a pit stop, yet rebounded from that to finish ahead of five other cars that finished on the lead lap. Are you saying that a driver should be thrown out of the race just because he has to pit for a flat tire, which would automatically put him down a lap? That's absurd. And with the rules as they are now, a driver could go a lap down and eventually win the race, especilly if there's a big crash that eliminates a great number of drivers in between the first and last place cars. And as for the Open/Showdown, are you aware that there have been as may as six cars transfer from that race to the All-Star Race in some years? In fact, when Michael Waltrip won the All-Star Race, he was fifth in the Showdown, but that was good enough to transfer into the All-Star Race because so few cars were in the All-Star Race prior to he Showdown, and there was a 20-car minimum. And I think the lack of action in the Showdown was due to two things. The first was the huge disparity in speed from the top two and everyone else in both segments. The difference between second and third at the end of each segment was more than five seconds after just 20 laps. So there was nothing for anyone in the field to race hard for. The other problem was the fact that the segments simply go by too fast. They were only racing for 10 minutes at a time. What they should do is to make that a 50-lap race with no guaranteed break. Tht ight not have made a difference Saturday night because of the great disparity in seed from the first two cars and everyone else, but it would allow time for those behind to catch up, if the siuation allowed for it. And they should just get rid of the fan vote, as it has no place in the All-Star race. The problem with that is that Jeff Gordon and/or Dale, Jr. may be in the Showdown next year and either or both might need the fan vote to get into the All-Star Race. 441. Jim Davis posted: 05.20.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One problem I have with the All-Star race that hasn't been mentioned is the goofy rule that lets the winner of a race that occurs before the All-Star race in a season be eligible for two All-Star races - the current year and the next year. That's ridiculous. It should either be the winners in one season should be eligible for next season's All-Star race or (my preference) the winners after one All-Star race are eligible for the next All-Star race. 442. murb posted: 05.20.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My posts were not showing up for a little while yesterday too, David. I don't know what was going on. Probably just some type of glitch with the site or something. Oh yeah, and for the obligatory Macho Man post: "MACHO MADNESS LIVES FOREVER." RIP, Mach. You're right JarrettFan, it is hard to believe it's been two years. 443. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One thing, Jim Davis. There's a 20-car minimum for the All-Star Race, something that was established for 1987, so having some competitors eligible for the next two All-Star Races may accidentally be needed to fill the field. That's why in years past, they had to take up to six cars from the Showdown just to fill the field of 20. Actually, what they once did was to take the previous 19 winners, no matter when they won their most recent races, and put them in the All-Star Race and completed the field with the Showdown winner. Then in 1992 to make sure Richard Petty was in the field, they made all series champions and All-Star winners from the previous 10 years exempt, along with making every winning driver AND team eligible for the following year's All-Star Race. Then about six or seven years ago, they changed the series champion's eligibility from the rest of their career to 10 years, which is why Jeff Gordon could be in trouble next year. So they've tinkered with the eligibility format along with the race format. Frankly, I think any winner of one of the crown jewel races should be given a multi-year exemption to the All-Star Race and I also think that any driver that makes the Chase should b in the following year's All-Star Race, no matter whether or not he won, and the same is true regarding any driver in the curent season's top ten when the all-Star Race arrives. The biggest joke where this is concerned came in 1998 when Jeremy Mayfield, who was leading the points at the time of that year's All-Star Race, could have missed the All-Star Race because he hadnt yet won. Fortunately for NASCAR, Mayfield won one of the preliminaries to avoid NASCAR having that nightmare. But they should get rid of the fan vote, because that has no place in the All-Star Race. But if they limit it to winners from one All-Star Race to he next, they may have to take more than two drivers from the Showdown because the may still have spots to fill in the field, which has a 20-car minimum, though I doubt that number would ever be six again. 444. joey2448 posted: 05.20.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So RaceHub just mentioned that Bruton Smith wants to replace Charlotte's fall Chase race with Las Vegas... My thoughts are that they ought to keep Charlotte there. Obviously the racing at both tracks isn't great, but the tradition is there for Charlotte. The fall 500-mile race has been around for a long time. 445. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Why does this not surprise me, joey2448. There's no tradition sacred with Bruton Smith around. He did away with racing at North Wilkesboro (though that track was on the verge of becoming antiquated, anyway) just so he could have a race at Texas, he did away with racing at Rockingham and nearly Darlington to get a second race at Texas, he scuttled one of his own races at Atlanta to get a race at Kentucky, and now he's thinking about scuttling one of his own Charlotte races to move it to Las Vegas, not to mention that he once tried to start a rival series in the late 90s, which would have ruined NASCAR the same way splits have ruined both IndyCar and sports car racing. He's still trying to replace the ill-advised IndyCar race he had at Las Vegas in 2011 (which ran on the same weeknd as the fall race at Charlotte that year), and we all now how that ended. It's time for NASCAR to finally put their foot down against this racing meglomaniac and say "enough is enough", because he's trying to move yet another race in NASCAR's core area to an area where NASCAR's not that big. 446. murb posted: 05.20.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Piss off, Bruton. 447. murb posted: 05.20.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well said, CJS. 448. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.20.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Charlotte is a bad track now but Las Vegas SUCKS. 449. joey2448 posted: 05.20.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right, it's a good thing Bruton isn't an owner in the IndyCar series (he isn't, right?) because I wouldn't be surprised to see him replace the Indianapolis 500 with a race at Las Vegas and call it the "New and Super-Charged" Indianapolis 500. Absolutely poor decision-making on that man's part. 450. Eric posted: 05.20.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, It could have worse. Bruton could have give one of the Loudon Dates to Las Vegas. I am saying worse because Loudon is driver's track at least. 451. Mr X posted: 05.20.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From now on I will just refer to Bruton Smith by his initials, which are of course BS, just like a lot of other things about him, certainly all his opinions. Is anyone else having the same recurring vision of BS tied to a chair, on the deck of a boat headed to a country where he can't do any damage, with no money or means of communication. Cause I am. 452. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) And guys, that's only the recent history of what Bruton Smih has done. Remember he was also involved inthe incident that could have ended NASCAR in 1961 had Bill France not stood up to those drivers that tried to team up with the Teamsters. Remember that, as co-founder of the Charlotte Motor Speedway with Curtis Turner, Smith was at least indirectly part of that conflict, as well. It's no surprise that the years where NASCAR seemed to flourish and have a better relationship with Charlotte was when Richard Howard ran things there in the late 60s, 70s, and early 80s before Smith got back involved. And while the improvements he's made to his faciities are matched only by what the Hulman family has done with Indianapolis, he's had an adversarial reltionship with those running NASCAR almost since the very beginning. On a sadder note, it's terrible what happened in Oklahoma today, with a F5 or F6 (which would now be classified as an EF5) tornado striking Moore, where another such tornado struck 14 years ago, with winds possibly up to, if not over 300 MPH, and apparently as many as 24 third grade students in school were lost in that tornado. So while we lament on what we don't like about NASCAR, remember that it's just a sport. There anr other real world thigns going on with far more devastating consequences, especially when 24 single-digit age kids, with decades upon decades in front of them, are taken in such a natural catastrophe, and that's what that was, a natural catastrophe, because this goes far beyond disaster. I just hope that isn't true, but it appears it might be. 453. murb posted: 05.20.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bruton is 86 years old. Why he hasn't gotten the memo yet and retired is beyond me. Charlotte is probably one of my three or four least favorite race tracks. But so is Las Vegas. I completely agree with what Joey said on 444. Even though Charlotte is shitty, I'd much rather keep the tradition in tact instead of just replacing it with a bland, no-name, overrated second Vegas race. 454. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.20.2013 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 1.5 mile tracks produce the shittiest racing in all of motorsports... why does the worst one of the 1.5 mile tracks need a second race? 455. Eric posted: 05.20.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) joey2448, It is possible that Bruton Smith is turning into Al Davis. Al Davis in his last 10 to 25 years of his life, the NFL passed him by. The fact is Burton Smith is 86 years old and that means he might be getting senile in his old age. That means don't expect him to be in charge of SMI in 5 to 10 years if he's still alive by than. 456. Eric posted: 05.20.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872 is correct. I know Burton wanted Vegas to have a 2nd date for the last few years at least. I compare it to when Auto Club had 2 cup dates. When Las Vegas gets a second date, I think it will effect the attendance at Vegas, or Auto Club. I brought up those two tracks because Nevada and California are neighboring states. That means a track date will be gone within 5 to 5 years in that region. 457. Rusty posted: 05.20.2013 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Rusty, I agree with some of those points and disagree with others. I agree with the point about inverting the field, at least partially. The way they did that in the late 90s was the best way. What they did was to have a floor and ceiling in terms of the number of cars they would invert, and decide the number by a lottery. That meant that even those in some of the potential invert spots had to race hard because it wasn't guaranteed that they would benefit from an inversion. But I disagree with the eimination. No cars should ever be eliminated from a race just on their running position. Just imagine if the cut he field downto ten cars for the final segment, and more than half, or almost all of them of them got in a big wreck. Then there wouldn't be aybody left to race, and that kind of thing has happened." The thing is, this is an All Star race with the point of being an exciting change of pace for fans. Normally, I'd totally agree with no elimination, but in an All Star race, it gives us more excitement and some drama at the end of the field before the half. You'd get the bottom 3-5 drivers eliminated based on how many cars are in the race, but I would still count cars in the garage towards that. "And the idea of automatically eliminating a driver just because they go down a lap is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of, especially now since there are numerous ways to get a lap back. Take Greg Biffle for example. Biffle got a lap down because of having to make a pit stop, yet rebounded from that to finish ahead of five other cars that finished on the lead lap. Are you saying that a driver should be thrown out of the race just because he has to pit for a flat tire, which would automatically put him down a lap? That's absurd. And with the rules as they are now, a driver could go a lap down and eventually win the race, especilly if there's a big crash that eliminates a great number of drivers in between the first and last place cars." Nobody cares that Biffle managed to finish ahead of 5 cars after being a lap down. Nobody will remember anything except that Jimmie Johnson won. Like I said before, it is an unique kind of race that needs something new to add some excitement. This rule may be tough to work in, but if you go a lap down for a flat tire in a short race like this, chances of you winning are slow. "And as for the Open/Showdown, are you aware that there have been as may as six cars transfer from that race to the All-Star Race in some years? In fact, when Michael Waltrip won the All-Star Race, he was fifth in the Showdown, but that was good enough to transfer into the All-Star Race because so few cars were in the All-Star Race prior to he Showdown, and there was a 20-car minimum. And I think the lack of action in the Showdown was due to two things. The first was the huge disparity in speed from the top two and everyone else in both segments. The difference between second and third at the end of each segment was more than five seconds after just 20 laps. So there was nothing for anyone in the field to race hard for. The other problem was the fact that the segments simply go by too fast. They were only racing for 10 minutes at a time. What they should do is to make that a 50-lap race with no guaranteed break. Tht ight not have made a difference Saturday night because of the great disparity in seed from the first two cars and everyone else, but it would allow time for those behind to catch up, if the siuation allowed for it." I don't care how many have transferred before. I like the Open/Showdown better as an all out race for one spot in the big show. We've not really seen an exciting version of this event since they added the whole 2nd place transfers thng. "And they should just get rid of the fan vote, as it has no place in the All-Star race. The problem with that is that Jeff Gordon and/or Dale, Jr. may be in the Showdown next year and either or both might need the fan vote to get into the All-Star Race." I personally don't like the fan vote, but it is an All Star race for fans so if they want to see Danica or Dale Jr. or whoever race, then so be it. I don't have a major problem with it. This event should be different and interestng for the fans, no just a short race with more money on the line. Another note, move it to another track. One where driver talent can override equipment. I'd love to see this event at the old Bristol. 458. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.20.2013 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "MACHO MADNESS LIVES FOREVER." Damn straight, any moment now 'Pomp and Circumstance' will blast out of the sound system, the lovely Elizabeth will stroll gracefully through the curtain with a giant WWWF above, when wearing an elaborately decorated rob, Macho Man appears ready for the event, once in the ring he will twirl his right wrist with his left hand resting by his side, Elizabeth will clap and cheerfully smile, once the match starts and a few suplexes and body slams later, Macho walks through the ropes onto the apron and heads up the turn post, points to the sky and delivers a work of beauty that is the flying elbow drop, 1, 2, 3 the ref counts and the match is over, Macho hobbles for a few seconds before Elizabeth enters the ring happily clapping before Randy puts her on his left shoulder, fans cry and applaud. Forever the man, oooooooo yeahhhhhhhh!!!!!!! 459. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rusty, the Showdown is normally an all-out race for one spot. That spot's no always first, but rather a place futher back in the field, such as second is now. To me, that's no different than the battle for 15th is in the qualifying races for the Daytona 500. They're all racing to try to get one spot, not always first place, but the spot that actually gets them in the event, since that is more important at he time. It's just that there were so few competitve cars in the Showdown (no more than five to seven, really) this time that it looked worse than it usually is. And the elimination would come down to certain running position, whether or not those cars are on the track or the garage. But they came up with the idea of eliminating cars in 2002 because there were so many in that year's race because so many drvers won in 2001. There were 19 winners that year, and since some drove in 2002 for teams that didn't win, and other drivers that didn't win in 2001 did in 2002, plus you had Mark Martin and Terry Labonte in the All-Star Race du to recent All-Star wins, an as a result, you wound up with a 27-car field for that year's All-Star Race, so they eliminated cars twice, once to get to the standard 20, and then to get to 10, and my beef is that if you run only 10 cars in the final segment and six or seven get in a wreck, and that kind of thing has happened before, you have practically nobody left on the track to have a race. But as I've also said, they need to lengthen the segments to at least 30 laps, if not 40 laps to make sure that all facets of setting a car up can come into play. Based on the 20 lap-per segment formula, you could count out certain drivers before the race even started because they don;t hustle the car. Jeff Gordon and Mark Martin, two drivers that have five All-Star wins between them, come to mind as drivers that the format effectively eliminated from contention before the race everstarted. But if they ran longer segments, they would have a better chance at contending becaus some of the real chargers would come back to them. Matt Kenseth is another driver that the format effectively eliminated before the race began. But a field inversion featuring a random number of cars determined by a lottery-style system is a great way to go because the drivers back in the field can't sandbag because hey may be behind where the inversion would take place, as long as it's not before the final segment, because I can remember Jimmie Johnson flat-out getting hosed in the 2002 All-Sar Race with easily the best car, but since the field was inverted prior to the final segment, he had no chance to win. The field inverson would have to tak place with enough time left in the race for the affected drivers to have a chance to come back. And it's interesting to note that in the years they did the mid-race field inversion (1992-2001), Jeff Gordon was the only driver to win more than once, doing so three times, and nearly doing it five times. And that, to me, was not only the best format for the All-Star Race, but also the toughest to win with because of the unknown of going through cars that were not as fast as yours was. 460. David posted: 05.20.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So we're ruling out the possibility that the racing at Las Vegas earlier this year wasn't an outlier? 461. Eric posted: 05.20.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My posts on 455 and 456 were done over much earlier than the times were posted. I meant to say 5 to 10 year on post 456. I am mentioning this for just in case if cjs3872 or anyone says something about post 455. I pressed the published button before Post 453 showed up. 462. murb posted: 05.20.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So we're ruling out the possibility that the racing at Las Vegas earlier this year wasn't an outlier?" I honestly didn't think it was as great as some people made it out to be. The Kenseth/Kahne battle at the end was really good, but other than that, I thought it was just okay. 463. murb posted: 05.20.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The fact of the matter is that there are numerous other race tracks around the country that have dedicated fans who deserve a race. Iowa is probably the most notable example. They've got kickass fans out there, and the racing is awesome. What does Vegas have? Name value. That's it. It's in Las Vegas (actually it isn't - I drive by it all the time when I go to California in the summers, and it's like 10 miles north of Vegas in the middle of nowhere in the desert). That's the only thing it provides. The racing usually sucks, the fanbase there is average at best, etc. In my opinion, it doesn't deserve a second date. Hell, if any Bruton Smith track needs a second date, it's Atlanta. It's a shame that that legendary place got shafted for that Kentucky piece of junk. 464. MStall41 posted: 05.20.2013 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The racing on intemediatesthis year have been fine up until Charlotte. If any race was an outlier, i think it was Charlotte. 465. TS1420 posted: 05.20.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Bruton Smith likes to prove he is a bigger dumbass than Brian France. Charlotte has been crap since the repave, but Las Vegas is diarrhea left out in the hot desert sun. 466. cjs3872 posted: 05.20.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually TS1420, it appears that Charlotte may be getting some it's old personality back, as it appears that the old bumps in the track that gave it such personality, are at long last, returning. That could certainly put some wrinkles in the races there this year that the drivers may not have been expecting, including the Nationwide and Cup races this coming weekend. Some of the drivers were noting the bumps in the track there, so the Charlotte of old may be closer to returning than many people thought. 467. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.21.2013 - 1:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) While I'm not opposed to Charlotte losing a date, that track is just a dud, the Vegas move makes no sense to me. To give the Southwest yet another date, and to give it to Vegas which would be just one month before the end of season awards banquet, are they trying to make the Southwest sick of stock car racing? They need to face the fact that they took a date from the wrong track (Atlanta). I know attendance has been off there, but it is everywhere. At some point they have to realize it is important to put on good racing for the folks watching on TV. Maybe swap dates with Atlanta and Darlington (know I said earlier to leave these dates, but damn I wanna see Darlington on Labor Day again) and give Charlotte's date in the Fall to Atlanta? 468. cjs3872 posted: 05.21.2013 - 6:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well DSFF, they're simply going too fast to provide god racing practically anywhere except the shorter tracks, such as Phoenix, Loudon, and the three existing short tracks on the circuit. 190-200 MPH lap speeds are just too fast for stock cars. There's no two ways about that. 469. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.21.2013 - 7:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I actually thought the Vegas and Texas races weren't horrible like they were with the Gen 4&5 cars and the Cali race was exceptional. Speeds are not a problem. 470. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 05.21.2013 - 8:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just wanted to ask a few questions How long do you think Knaus and Johnson will stay together I know some of you think this will be their last year.This is their 12th season as crew chief and driver has anyone combination apart from Petty and Dale been together for so long thanks. 471. murb posted: 05.21.2013 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I actually thought the Vegas and Texas races weren't horrible like they were with the Gen 4&5 cars and the Cali race was exceptional." Yeah, California was exceptional. Best race of the year so far. I'd much rather see that place gain a second date back instead of Vegas getting one. 472. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.21.2013 - 10:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speeds being blamed is a joke and a copout. The Gen 5 2008 car on 1.5 mile tracks produced some of the most boring racing the sport has seen since the early 1970s. This was a car that was slow and heavy and the drivers had to 'man handle' and because of this the racing were dull as ditch water and nobody could pass. If NASCAR wants to reduce speeds reduce the horsepower to allow drafting and more passing. Don't make the spoilers smaller, remove the splitter,ect or the cars will be even more spread out and the racing on 1.5s even more boring. 473. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.21.2013 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Why the hell is the All-Star so long and gimmicky? Biggest waste of time on the whole schedule. 474. Eric posted: 05.21.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DaleSrFanForever, The problem with Atlanta is the city itself has a bad reputation as a sports city. They got a history of problems selling out playoff games for the Atlanta Braves in the past. The Atlanta Falcons even had problems for ticket sales before Vick became the Quarterback of the Falcons and than Matt Ryan. NFL Hockey teams even problems selling tickets in Atlanta. Atlanta lost multiple NHL teams because of ticket sales. What happened to Atlanta Motorspeedway as a result isn't similar to rest of the tracks for why sales are off. 475. Eric posted: 05.21.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am bit surprised that no one here brought the fact Bruton Smith is in the NASCAR Hall of Fame ballot and the voting is tomorrow. That means Burton Smith made his comment at the wrong time and is another reason he shouldn't be inducted into the NASCAR Hall of Fame. 476. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.21.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In my opinion, Chad and Jimmie's future depends on how the cha$e goes. I predicted a bad start for the team this year leading to internal problems. Obviously I was wrong there. But if they falter in the championship battle for a third consecutive year I can see things going South. The key word is if. But JJ is showing signs of cracking a little bit. He is starting to do something Gordon never did during his "For The Love Of God, Please Please PLEASE Let Somebody Else Win, I Can't Stand To See That Damn Twenty Four Car Winning Over And Over" days. He is starting to play into the hands of his haters, doing the mock hand to the ear while getting booed at intors for this race, his constant sarcastic "yeah we're cheating and the races rigged for us" quips, and really letting his arrogance shine through. The weight is starting to get to him. 477. Paul posted: 05.21.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm not sure if Johnson said this on TV (I missed the end of the All-Star Race) or in an off-camera interview, but after the race he had this to say toward his haters: "People just want to hate. I'm just lucky and NASCAR rigs the races. Whatever the fans want to believe. I'm going home with a cool trophy and a big check and we all really know what happened. So whatever." No wonder people have turned off from NASCAR over the past decade. Not only is the champion boring and fake, but he's an arrogant prick too. So much for Johnson not being arrogant, as one poster said a few days ago, and so much for all the hate directed towards the #48 team only being placed on the crew chief, as another poster said. I don't recall a Busch brother, Harvick, or even Stewart insulting and taking shots at the fans when they were winning and getting booed for it, yet they're the ones being hated upon while Johnson is basically praised for anything he says or does because of how many championships he's "won." I don't care if it's someone that I like such as Gordon or Kenseth, or someone who I dislike such as Bowyer or Harvick; I just want to see somebody crush that asshole #48 team and bring give us fans a champion who doesn't stick his nose up at us or talk down to us as if we should be grateful to be able to witness His Royal Highness, Jimmie Johnson. I want a champion who I can respect and his respectful towards the fans, and while there are a number of drivers who I don't like or care for, any one of them would make a better champion than the arrogant driver of the #48 car. 478. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.21.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, post the link to where you saw that. 479. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.21.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Never mind... found it on BSPN.com... See! See what I've been talking about! I feel vilified. I know somebody (whether racing, football, or something) insulted the fans a few years ago, and he wound up being chased out in disgrace. To make a statement that arrogant almost his own personal confirmation of the widespread (here anyway) belief that that team is cheating. Junior Johnson pales in comparison to this team. And as I say, if you need to cheat to win, you aren't truly great. True greatness is Alan Kulwicki and Paul Andrews squeezing every ounce out of a car without EVER playing with gray areas. 480. Cant Stand Logano posted: 05.21.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The only Democrat I know of is Kyle Petty and he has expressed Liberal views in the past to the media. The Media itself is very democratic though with Pockrass, Gluck, Utter and Fryer. Most of the garage is Republican or non-affiliated" McGee and Hinton are Liberals as well. 481. Cant Stand Logano posted: 05.21.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "im not trying to start anything political (for once) but I was under the impression that most people affiliated with NASCAR (drivers, Team owners, fans) were Republican, or fans of the right" I can read people good when it comes to there politics, here would be my guesses: Johnson-Conservative Logano-Libertarian Kyle Busch-Conservative Kasey Kahne-moderate Kurt Busch-Conservative Denny Hamlin-moderate Earnhardt-Conservative McMurray-Conservative Kenseth-Conservative Edwards-Conservative Harvick-Conservative Gordon-moderate Newman-Conservative Stewart-Conservative Biffle-Conservative Stenhouse-Conservative Ambrose-Liberal Bowyer-Conservative Ragan-Conservative Patrick-Conservative Martin-Liberal Keselowski-Conservative could be wrong on a few, but I'm guessing I'm right on most of them 482. cjs3872 posted: 05.21.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, there were two reasons why the All-Star Race dragged on this year. The first was something nobody can do anything about, and that is the weather. Remember that activities were delayed twice due to rain, including a 42-minute rain delay on the 14th lap. (The other delay was the start of the Showdown.) The other reason was the insane amount of segments. They should do three segments, totalling anywhere between 70-100 laps, with an inversion between the first and second segment and a shorter third segment in comparison to the other two, but it should be no more than three segments. I still say they should do either two 30-lap segments with at least a partial field inversion between the two and either 10 or 20 lap segment to end things or two 40 lap segments with the same things happening. But a big part of the reason the race dragged on was the rain, and that's something nobody can do anything about. And you also mention that true greatness in what Alan Kulwicki's team was able to pull off in 1992, though they got quite a bit of help to do that. I think an even greated example of your point was what the Wood Brotherss did over a much longer period of time with many different drivers, from Tiny Lund to Morgan Shepherd, but especially in the David Pearson era. All their success, and never once were they even considered in the cheating argument, much less accused and/or actually caught. And by the way, being that you seem to be a fan of all kinds of racing, I'm somewhat surprised you haven't chimed in on my listing of the 33 greatest Indianapolis 500 drivers of all-time. I thought that, since this is Indianapolis 500 time, that particular blog would get more opinions, though I do plan to break that down into groups of 11. (My computer froze when I tried that the first time, resulting in my revealing that entire list at once.) 483. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.21.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wrong there dude. Patrick officially voiced support for Obama. Gordon and Johnson strike me as two of the most liberal drivers out there. Probably because they spend most of their time on the Hollywood/New York-party scene which is filled with leftists. 484. David posted: 05.21.2013 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Waddell Wilson swore that every engine he built was legal. 485. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.21.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK, cjs, explain away. I posted on your blog for your amusement. 486. Cant Stand Logano posted: 05.21.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wrong there dude. Patrick officially voiced support for Obama. Gordon and Johnson strike me as two of the most liberal drivers out there. Probably because they spend most of their time on the Hollywood/New York-party scene which is filled with leftists." I stand corrected on Patrick. That surprises me, I remember a few years ago when the king made his comments about women being race car drivers, the media wanted Patrick to strongly respond and accuse Petty of being a sexist and she instead said he has a right to his opinion. I just assumed she must of been most likely conservative. Your right about Gordon, which is why I'm guessing he is moderate. He has conservative roots (grew up midwest, dad was a businessman I believe) but I'm sure his time living and hanging out with the New York crowd had likely had some effect on his politics. regards to Johnson, to me, Johnson only comes off as a "latte Liberal" by NASCAR standards. Among the general population, he seems like your typical middle aged white guy, which means most likely conservative leaning. 487. cjs3872 posted: 05.21.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, you're absolutely right. From what I understand, every engine Waddell Wilson ran was legal. He said a couple of years ago when ESPN's NASCAR Now was doing a piece on the 1975 Daytona 500 and Wilson that Holman-Moody would never allow their guys to cheat, preferring to do it the good old-fashioned way, by the rules, and they won most of the sport's biggest prizes that way, two Daytona 500, including that race's first 1-2 finish in 1967 with Mario Andretti beating Fred Lorenzen, two World 600s with Lorenzen, though that team's darkest day was also in the World 600 in 1964, the 1963 Southern 500 with Fireball Roberts in a race that was run entirely under the green flag, and two championships with David Pearson. Now Holman-Moody wasn't above chicanery during the race, but that was never allowed with the cars, which made what was discovered the day before the 1971 Daytona 500 all the more shocking. (David Pearson's car was caught with an oversized restrictor plate and crew chief Jake Elder was fined $500 for the infraction, though Pearson was allowed to keep the win and the fourth starting position it gave him because it could not be proven that he used it in the qualifying race victory.) 488. murb posted: 05.21.2013 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Jimmie Johnson: Classless Douchebag 489. The Long Shot posted: 05.21.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Here are my predictions for this weekend's Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte Motor Speedway. Lineup: Row 1: 48-Jimmie Johnson, 18-Kyle Busch Row 2: 5-Kasey Kahne, 11-Denny Hamlin Row 3: 20-Matt Kenseth, 55-Mark Martin Row 4: 24-Jeff Gordon, 56-Martin Truex Jr. Row 5: 15-Clint Bowyer, 39-Ryan Newman Row 6: 16-Greg Biffle, 22-Joey Logano Row 7: 43-Aric Almirola, 99-Carl Edwards Row 8: 9-Marcos Ambrose, 78-Kurt Busch Row 9: 29-Kevin Harvick, 2-Brad Keselowski Row 10: 14-Tony Stewart, 88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. Row 11: 27-Paul Menard, 17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Row 12: 21-Trevor Bayne, 31-Jeff Burton Row 13: 42-Juan Montoya, 1-Jamie McMurray Row 14: 34-David Ragan, 83-David Reutimann Row 15: 13-Casey Mears, 47-Bobby Labonte Row 16: 95-Scott Speed, 51-Regan Smith Row 17: 38-David Gilliland, 19-Mike Bliss Row 18: 7-Dave Blaney, 30-David Stremme Row 19: 33-Landon Cassill, 10-Danica Patrick Row 20: 93-Travis Kvapil, 35-Josh Wise Row 21: 87-Joe Nemechek, 36-J.J. Yeley Row 22: 32-Timmy Hill DNQ: 98-Michael McDowell Results: 1. 18-Kyle Busch 2. 20-Matt Kenseth 3. 48-Jimmie Johnson 4. 5-Kasey Kahne 5. 99-Carl Edwards 6. 16-Greg Biffle 7. 15-Clint Bowyer 8. 2-Brad Keselowski 9. 24-Jeff Gordon 10. 22-Joey Logano 11. 29-Kevin Harvick 12. 11-Denny Hamlin 13. 43-Aric Almirola 14. 88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 15. 56-Martin Truex Jr. 16. 1-Jamie McMurray 17. 78-Kurt Busch 18. 51-Regan Smith 19. 39-Ryan Newman 20. 14-Tony Stewart 21. 55-Mark Martin 22. 31-Jeff Burton 23. 27-Paul Menard 24. 17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 25. 42-Juan Montoya 26. 9-Marcos Ambrose 27. 34-David Ragan 28. 83-David Reutimann 29. 47-Bobby Labonte 30. 13-Casey Mears 31. 21-Trevor Bayne 32. 10-Danica Patrick 33. 38-David Gilliland 34. 7-Dave Blaney 35. 33-Landon Cassill 36. 30-David Stremme 37. 93-Travis Kvapil 38. 36-J.J. Yeley 39. 32-Timmy Hill 40. 35-Josh Wise 41. 87-Joe Nemechek 42. 95-Scott Speed 43. 19-Mike Bliss 490. Paul posted: 05.21.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In regards to NASCAR drivers and their political views, I know for a fact that Jimmie Johnson is a conservative, and has tweeted out conservative comments from time to time. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. once took his entire team to see Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" film, so I doubt he's a conservative (and his dad wasn't either). Jeff Gordon is a mystery because he was born in northern California (fairly liberal area), spent time out in Indiana (one of the most conservative Midwestern states) with his businessman father, and has spent much of his racing career in North Carolina, Florida, and New York. So in the end, I don't know and I don't really care because liberal, conservative, or moderate, he seems like a great guy and his philanthropic work is spectacular. That's all that matters to me. 491. Eric posted: 05.21.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, I question if Dale Jr. isn't conservative. I am saying that because his views of coal and the fact he is a gun owner. I am saying that in terms of guns if North Carolina is anything like Wisconsin. Even before Wisconsin became a concealed Carry State under Scott Walker, Liberals in Wisconsin didn't believe that people should have a right to own a gun. The fact is When Jim Doyle was Governor of Wisconsin, Jim Doyle never allowed concealed Carry into law and I know a Mayor in one of Wisconsin cities doesn't even believe in owning guns even for hunting and that mayor is a democrat. The other reason is liberals in Wisconsin was hated a country sheriff's add. The Country Sheriff encourage people to get a permit to own a gun because of the response time of the police department is so bad and for self defense reason reasons. 492. Eric posted: 05.21.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know the NASCAR Hall of Fame Voting is Tomorrow, the 22nd. What I think Tomorrow will show is what ever votes Bruton was going to get is now gone and it sounds like a proven. I am hoping the voters don't vote for Dale Jarrett. Dale Jarrett belongs in the Hall of Fame, but the era he is from shouldn't be into the Hall of Fame yet outside of Dale Sr. My picks are Maurice Petty, Fireball Roberts, Tim Flock, Jerry Cook, and Bobby Isaac. 493. Bronco posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I can read people good when it comes to there politics, here would be my guesses:" I seriously doubt that many are really conservative. For example, Carl Edwards, the Busch brothers and Keselowski definitely don't seem conservative to me. 494. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Smith's HoF picks, per his article today, are Tim Flock (mostly agree), Rick Hendrick (not yet), Dale Jarrett (not yet), Maurice Petty (agree), and Joe Weatherly (agree). My picks are: Bobby Isaac Fred Lorenzen Benny Parsons Maurice Petty/Fireball Roberts Joe Weatherly You know, it's really hard to narrow it down to just five. NASCAR really should have had at least ten in the first class. Eleven people on the inaugural list of nominees still aren't in. 495. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have mentioned this before, as unhappy as we seem to be about bringing a second race to Vegas, I have designed 3 tracks in the west/midwest of the US one is a short track, I think Wyoming would be a good place for it. you have a new market and you are bringing a solid product into the new market. make the track Bristol-Shaped (but with more banking) in Utah I considered a dogbone shaped 1.5 mile. kinda like Charlotte/Atlanta/Texas but intead the quad-oval goes inside the track as opposed to outside. I think that woud be one heck of a twist, and plus maybe variable banking so they can race 2-3 wide into the corners and maybe in Missouri, or Wisconsin, or Minnesota a road course, a very techincal road course with hills, and other road-course features the good thing about running a road course is it will get the haters to see something, as opposed to "driving in a circle and turning left for 500 laps" its a long road course that requires actual skill what do you guys think? 496. Paul posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards just comes off as a conservative to me, though I don't really have anyproof to back that up, so don't quote me on that. Kurt Busch as we all know flipped off Michelle Obama at Homestead 2011. I'm not sure if that makes him conservative, but the fact that he disrespected the First Lady like that leads me to believe that he isn't liberal. Brad Keselowski has openly expressed his distaste for drugs of any kind in NASCAR, which is more of a conservative belief, and holds an American flag on his victory lap. As for Kyle Busch, I don't really know what his political beliefs are, but the fact that he drives for Joe Gibbs (registered Republican), is sponsored by M&M's (pretty conservative, family values company), and is brothers to Kurt, chances are he's a conservative as well. It should also be noted that Carl has made references to God on several occasions and Kurt was seen visiting a priest on that Outlaw documentary. I'm not saying that only conservatives openly believe in a higher power or anything like that, but in this day and age, it seems like the majority of those people are conservatives. 497. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) and back on what Jimmie said about "yea, so the race was rigged and we cheated" or whatever he really said did it cross your mind that maybe Jimmie was being sarcastic? 498. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think it is easy to predicate a drivers politics for sure and the fact is I don't care about what that subject when it comes to a celebrity unless the person is after a political office. I only question Paul because the fact is Dale Jr. was the pitchman for clean coal in 2012 and going by the tendency of a gun owner in Wisconsin in concerns of Dale Jr. earlier this year saying he's a gun owner. I have a hard time having Dale Jr. having Clean Coal as one of the sponsors of JR Motorsports in 2012 if he really didn't believe in Clean Coal. I am bringing this up cause Coal was an issue in states for the 2012 Presidential election. 499. Paul posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If it were up to David Smith, I don't think any non-Cup drivers would get into the Hall of Fame. Instead, they'd be awarded some plaque reading "Good hustle, Junior." Blah. Last I checked, it's called the NASCAR Hall of Fame, not the Sprint Cup Hall of Fame. I understand that Cup drivers should win the tiebreaker when it comes down to them and lower series drivers, but to say that great lower series drivers like Jack Ingram should be awarded with a little plaque instead of a Hall of Fame induction I found to be distasteful and belittling of their accomplishments. If it were up to me, I would change the induction process so that no more than five Cup drivers get inducted, and no fewer than one, but no more than two non-Cup drivers (lower series drivers, owners, executives, etc.) are inducted per year. It would serve the same way as the Senior Committee for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which nominates two older ex-football players for the Hall of Fame, with at least one of them being inducted per year. Since most of NASCAR's greats were from that "senior era" and don't need a Senior Committee to vote them in, NASCAR's voting panel would replace them by having to induct 1-2 non-Cup drivers every year just to balance it out a little bit. Here's my revitalized Hall of Fame list, using the current voting procedure: - Tim Flock (higher career PEER than Herb Thomas, who is already in the HOF) - Fireball Roberts - Joe Weatherly - Bobby Isaac - Jerry Cook (non-Cup driver) 500. 18fan posted: 05.22.2013 - 2:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would like to see Benny Parsons go in this year. He was consistently great in equipment that wasn't top notch throughout the 70s. If you add his contributions as an announcer, it makes it easier to induct him. P.S. While I was typing this the commercial with Austin Dillon and "adding to the legacy of the #3" played. 501. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 4:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, and did you ralph on the computer screen? 502. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 4:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just ralphed on the computer screen... Kenny Wallace says that Michael Waltrip deserves to be in the Hall of Fame some day. 503. Cant Stand Logano posted: 05.22.2013 - 5:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I seriously doubt that many are really conservative. For example, Carl Edwards, the Busch brothers and Keselowski definitely don't seem conservative to me." Carl did a 10 questions segment with a reporter once (I believe the reporter was Gluck) and one of the questions was what famous person he would like to meet and he answered Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell (both pro free market economist). That gave me the impression that he was at least conservative on economic issues. 504. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If it were up to David Smith, I don't think any non-Cup drivers would get into the Hall of Fame. Instead, they'd be awarded some plaque reading "Good hustle, Junior." Blah. Last I checked, it's called the NASCAR Hall of Fame, not the Sprint Cup Hall of Fame." I know, right? There were times yesterday where I questioned his sanity, like you did once. :) 505. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 9:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I just ralphed on the computer screen... Kenny Wallace says that Michael Waltrip deserves to be in the Hall of Fame some day." I need the Donny Lia bucket... 506. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 10:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *passing Donny Lia bucket to David* 507. The Long Shot posted: 05.22.2013 - 10:49 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) My HOF predictions: Tim Flock Benny Parsons Fireball Roberts Curtis Turner Joe Weatherly 508. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks, NRF. BLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! You can have it back now. 509. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My only thoughts on the Hall of Fame is that I really hope BP and Fireball get in. 510. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dont agree with Kenny Wallace BUT Mikey does have 2 Daytona 500's and correct me if im wrong, isnt that more than a number of the people already in the HOF? and as I said I DO NOT agree with Kenny Wallace 511. cjs3872 posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who's to say that Michael Waltrip won't eventually accomplish enough as a car owner to get into the NASCAR Hall of Fame from that? I know he's, by no means, a Hall-worthy driver, or even a commentator, but if he continues on at this pace (second in the championship and multiple drivers in the Chase last year), he could do enough as a car owner to get into the Hall that way, though that probably won't be in any of our lifetimes. He certainly has time on his side in that regard when you lok at is age and compare it to the other major team owners in the sport today. 512. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Unfortunately I do believe that Michael will get into the Hall of Fame one day. His longevity is undeniable (over 1,000 total Nascar races if I remember correctly), and he does have two Daytona 500 wins. So that will be enough to get him in. 513. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wait...maybe Mikey could get in for being statisically the worst driver ever?!?!?!?! 514. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If Michael Waltrip gets in, then Ricky Rudd gets in for while only winning one marquee race (97 Brickyard), he was one of the 5 or 10 best drivers in the sport from 1981-2002. Of course Ricky is the exception! He is the toughest son of a b*tch to ever set wheel on the track. I did that one for you, Paul. Thank, David, just what I always wanted. "Who's to say that Michael Waltrip won't eventually accomplish enough as a car owner to get into the NASCAR Hall of Fame from that? I know he's, by no means, a Hall-worthy driver, or even a commentator, but if he continues on at this pace (second in the championship and multiple drivers in the Chase last year), he could do enough as a car owner to get into the Hall that way, though that probably won't be in any of our lifetimes. He certainly has time on his side in that regard when you lok at is age and compare it to the other major team owners in the sport today." So are you saying, cjs, that a bunch of 15-35 year olds will all be dead before Michael Waltrip, who is 50? 515. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Did Kenny really say that? A disclaimer: I've never really liked Kenny. He blames his career failures on everyone but himself even though I never saw any potential. Even his NWide career was, ediocre at best. But as for Mikey, let's do a checklist for his career: Driving: no hyperbole when I say a good case can be made he is the worst ever. Lots of others have looked much worse on the track than he ever did at times, but all of them got 86ed pretty quick. Mikey has managed to totally suck for TWENTY FIVE YEARS! Seems like eventually after that many starts you'd pick SOMETHING up. He never did. Was always completely useless. And that #30 car he drove for so long wasn't that bad. In his second year after leaving that car, in '97 with the sport firmly entrenched in the "multi car team or bust" era, that single car team with second year driver Johnny Benson finished higher in points than they ever did with Mikey, meanwhile, the team Mikey took over, the Woods, while not a powerhouse, saw a drastic drop in performance from their years with Morgan Shepherd, culminating with a DNQ at Pnoenix and a pink slip in late '98. Even his "glory years" at DEI were vastly overrated. During DEI's heyday while June was finishing 8th, 11th, 3rd, and 5th winning 13 times from '01-'04 (his numbers since: 4 wins, 2 Top 10 points finishes, so DEI was pretty good at the time) including 7 on plate tracks (he has won zero plate races since, do I need to break out the list of drivers who have won plate races since?l mikey got 4 wins, all plate wins while in a league of his own. Even with all these advantages he still got his 2 Daytona 500 wins, one after his car owner blocked the rest of the field back so bad he eventually wrecked himself (fatally) and the other came because June's alternator failed, he lost two laps, was on the way to regaining them when the rain stopped the race barely past halfway. Also, his best points finish over this span was 15th. Owning: very overrated. First off he put the team $20 big ones in debt before Robert Kauffmann bailed him out and is the human ATM for the team, so he got lucky like hell on that deal (I'll spare you guys all the pre 2009 horror for MWR, it is well documented). And also, now in his 7th year, he has only won with two drivers, the criminally underrated Reutimann (the guy who stayed loyal to him only to be dropped to the curb like a piece of shit) and Clint Bowyer who is pretty damn good and only getting better (have I mentioned Earnhardt carried Richard all those years yet?). Compare their performances this year with JGR's who drive basically the same stuff. Broadcasting: Now I need the Donny Lia bucket. Provides no actual insight to a race (the job of a color commentator or analyst), promotes himself and his sponsors first and foremost, and takes away from any broadcast he is in rather than add to it. In conclusion, no way. No how. Not even a trip to the wonderful wizard can save Mikey. 516. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) *Passes Donny Lia bucket, with David's up-chuck still in it, to DSFF* Oh, btw, don't forget that Mikey put Jim Mattei's team into the spiral that culminated in Jim Smith buying the team out. 517. Sean posted: 05.22.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I don't recall a Busch brother, Harvick, or even Stewart insulting and taking shots at the fans when they were winning and getting booed for it" He dedicated his first Daytona 500 win to "all the haters". That's all you need to know. Right up there with Jimmy Vasser causing the pace lap crash in the US 500, CART's Indy 500 stand-in, being allowed to restart the race in his backup car, winning, and saying "Who needs milk" in victory lane. Two main differences though: 1. Jimmie Johnson is unfortunately one of the top ten Cup drivers of all time (even in my opinion), while Vasser was the worst CART champion of all time, almost without question. 2. On the flip side, besides that one misguided quote, Vasser was much more likable, actually hilarious, like when he once was asked who his favorite actor was and replied "Helio Castroneves". Nailed it (before most of the rest of us saw what a phony he is too...) 518. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Kenny Wallace just set the record for most upchucks caused by one person. 519. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Broke it? Kenny shattered it. 520. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think Michael Waltrip doesn't deserve to get in the NASCAR Hall of Fame at all. I am saying that based how bad that organization before 2009 and on the Drivers Michael Waltrip picks. I give Michael a free pass from the 2008 to 2009 era from drivers he picked, but what did after is the problem. Clint is a great pick-up. Mark Martin is a solid pick up last year, but he declined this year. Michael only picked Dale Jarrett because Dale had a owner's provisional. Truex is capable of getting your team in the top 10 in points, but he can't win if his life can depend on it in the cup series. He is a driver that you need to replace as soon as possible. MWR hiring Vickers full time is a mistake waiting to happen. He has problems winning races in cup and in the Nationwide series despite being the 2003 champion. Vickers isn't great on Driver tracks and I still don't trust him on short tracks. I think Ryan Newman would have been a better pick than Vickers. 521. AveryNH posted: 05.22.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Next thing ya know Derikke Cope will become a Hall of Famer due to his one Daytona 500 win. His last win at Dover that same year on fuel strategy and years upon years of being an inconsistent back marker much the way Mikey is. Please never allow M. Waltrip in the hall, as the precedent he sets would only open the flood gates for awful drivers everywhere. 522. JG24FanForever posted: 05.22.2013 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Winning the Daytona isn't an automatic Hall of Fame ticket. It's how you win the race that counts. Examples: 1997 1999 2005 If Gordon only won these three races in his career it would be enough to grant him Hall of Fame status just because of how he won each of these races. If anything,the only thing people will remember about the 1990 and 2001 Daytona 500's is the epic majesty that is Big E. 523. Paul posted: 05.22.2013 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The NASCAR Hall of Fame and the FOX broadcast booth should each have one simple rule: Maximum of one Waltrip capacity. The Hall of Fame already has its one Waltrip (and a well-deserved induction it was), and as long as it stays that way it will still have legitimacy. Now if only FOX would get that same idea and dump Mikey from its announce team... "Also, his best points finish over this span was 15th." He finished 14th in points in 2002. Speaking of 15th place, Mikey's 2003 season has to go down in history as one of the biggest collapses in NASCAR history. He was doing a really nice job for 2/3 of the season and was on his way to a top five (or at the very least top ten) points finish when he ended the season with 10 finishes of 26th or worse in the final 13 races and fell from 5th to 15th (!!) in the points. In fact, all six of his DNFs that season came in those final 13 races. Epic collapse by the #15 team that season, and I blame both the team and the driver because half of his DNFs in 2003 were engine failures. The only collapse that even comes close to that off the top of my head is the #11 team's epic 2010 championship choke, but then again, they only lost one position in their collapse. Mikey lost TEN positions. Big difference. "He dedicated his first Daytona 500 win to "all the haters"." He should have dedicated it to all those trees that were cut down in order to make all that confetti for his victory lane celebration. I've never seen so much confetti used for a single individual as I did for the 2006 Daytona 500. That was bad enough, but looking back on it and knowing what that individual turned out to be from a personality and attitude standpoint, I'd say that was a massive waste of paper. "Vasser was much more likable, actually hilarious, like when he once was asked who his favorite actor was and replied "Helio Castroneves". Nailed it" Haha, that's gotta be one of the greatest put-downs to a fellow competitor in auto racing history. It wasn't insulting or demeaning in any way, but it was damn accurate and was quick to the point. Almost reminds me of Dale Earnhardt's famous "Told him he was number one" liner towards Jeremy Mayfield at Pocono 2000. The ability to put someone down without coming off as a jerk or arrogant is a skill that few people have. "Of course Ricky is the exception! He is the toughest son of a b*tch to ever set wheel on the track." Haha, thanks for honoring my Ricky Rudd request, Nico. There needs to be a weekly half-hour show hosted by Rudd himself where he talks about NASCAR drivers from both past and present and just gives us his take on how tough they are/were and how they would fare in a fight or a face-to-face confrontation. I'll always remember at Dover '01 when Rusty Wallace confronted Rudd in the garage area, and while Rusty was doing his usual "tough guy yelling at you" routine, Rudd was just standing there not backing down. In fact, Rusty was the first one of them to walk away. Normally guys try and walk away when they're being yelled at, but not Rudd. He took Rusty's anger like a man and almost looked like he was waiting for Rusty to take a swing at him just so he could start a fight right there (no water bottles involved). One man has no fear (Rusty), while the other knows no fear (Rudd). I'd hate to get in between those two. 524. JG24FanForever posted: 05.22.2013 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Of course Ricky is the exception! He is the toughest son of a b*tch to ever set wheel on the track." Richard Petty raced with a broken neck! When Richard went to the doctor in 1980,after he broke his neck,the doc asked when he had broken his neck before and Richard said he didn't know he had a previously broken neck! He broke his neck and never found out until he broke his neck again. 525. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ricky Rudd raced when he was physically incapable of performing ordinary tasks such as eating. His eyes had to be taped open for Pete's sake! "Of course Ricky is the exception! He is the toughest son of a b*tch to ever set wheel on the track." 526. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Dale Jarrett made it in. 527. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jack Ingram and Fireball 528. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tim and Maurice 529. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So it's Tim Flock, Maurice Petty, Dale Jarrett, Jack Ingram (hell yeah!!!), and Fireball Roberts for the 2014 Nascar Hall of Fame. I definitely think it should have been Benny Parsons or Joe Weatherly instead of DJ. I love DJ, but I think it's a bit too soon. 530. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) F*ck it! Fred should have been in! 531. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jarrett belongs in the NASCAR Hall of Fame, but I think we went in too soon. I am saying that because of Bobby Isaac. Jack Ingram was a shock to me because I expected Jerry Cook because Jerry was very close to getting inducted in the 2013 class. I do think Jerry Cook is going to be inducted into the NASCAR Hall of Fame for the 2015 class. 532. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FIREBALL! YES!!! and I thought about this, in DJ's Defense, he's a modern face, it looks like this class is blending all time eras Flock, whom of course is one of the oldest champions Maurice Petty, well we know Petty's story Fireball, a driver from the 50's and 60's so basicly pre-petty Jack Ingram, 80's and 90's Nationwide Legend and of course DJ, whom is a more "modern" face 533. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If Fred Lorenzen, Bobby Isaac, and Rex White doesn't get inducted in the 2015 class, there is a problem. 534. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If Fred Lorenzen, Bobby Isaac, and Rex White doesn't get inducted in the 2015 class, there is a problem." And Benny Parsons. 535. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) here is the bad thing, NASCAR has been around for over 60 years...NASCAR has alot of catching up to do 536. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and of the 5 members whom were just inducted? who is still alive? 537. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb, I didn't mention Benny Parsons for a reason. I think there only should be 3 cup drivers in a Hall of Fame Class. I think there needs to be a crew member or an owner in each Hall of Fame class. The other thing I look at is The NASCAR Hall of Fame doesn't mean the Cup Hall of Fame. That means I think drivers like Jack Ingram belongs in the Nascar Hall of Fame from the lower leagues of NASCAR. 538. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber1990, Dale Jarrett, Maurice Petty, and Jack Ingram are still alive in terms of who got inducted for the 2014 class. 539. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maurice, Dale, and Jack are all still alive. NASCAR can go piss and sh*t and pull it over their heads. They didn't put Fred in. I will still comment on these pages, but NASCAR lost a fan today... and that says a lot. Not many people are such big NASCAR fans that the Charlotte Observer has one of their feature writers do a story on him. 540. 83andJoe posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just as a quick comment: >On a sadder note, it's terrible what happened in Oklahoma today, with a F5 or F6 (which would now be classified as an EF5) tornado striking Moore Sad indeed but it should be pointed out that the "F6" ranking on the 'old' Fujita scale was purely theoretical. As the Fujita scale is a /damage/ scale, and F5 is "everything swept away", any ranking higher than F5 could never be achieved. 541. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know Benny Parsons was a great driver and a great announcer. I remembered Benny as an announcer in the 1990's through 2006. I was a teenager in 1993 when I started to follow NASCAR and Benny Parsons was one of the announcers that I remembered from that time period beside Ned Jarrett. The Problem with predicating Benny is the 5 new people for the 2015 ballot besides the fact there is more to the NASCAR Hall of Fame than the cup level or drivers. Benny Parsons to me will get inducted in 2015 or 2016 for the NASCAR Hall of Fame. 542. cjs3872 posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, NicoRosbergFan (#514). If you look at Michael Waltrip's age and compare it to the owners of the other top teams today, Michael would be one of the younger ones. Richard Petty's in his late 70s and Roger Penske's in his mid 70s, while Joe Gibbs and Jack Roush are both in their early 70s, and Richard Childress and Rick Hendrick are both in their mid-to-late 60s. At 50, Michael Waltrip's actually one of the younger team owners in the sport among the bigger teams. That's why I say that Michael could develop a Hall of Fame-caliber resume as a car owner because he could be on his way, because he has, based on the other top owners in the sport, about 20 years left, but that's also why I said that if he does compile a Hall of Fame-caliber career as a car owner, none of us will be alive to see him get in. 543. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) cjs, I'm not even 20 yet. Let's say Mikey has a 20-year Hall of Shame ownership career. I will have 30-50 years to watch him get in. I won't be dead! 544. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, While Joe Gibbs is the owner JGR, his son J.D. Gibbs is really the person who is running JGR. J.D. Gibbs is the president of JGR matter of fact. 545. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR can go piss and sh*t and pull it over their heads. They didn't put Fred in. I will still comment on these pages, but NASCAR lost a fan today..." I love Fearless Freddy, and I do think he should have been inducted, especially since he's now got dementia (so sad). But, in NASCAR's defense, don't blame it on them, blame it on the sad excuse for a voting committee. Here were my reactions as I read about them on Jayski: "good, good, DALE JARRETT?!?!?!?!?!, good, good" The other four were excellent picks, but Jarrett is just plain too soon. 546. 83andJoe posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have to wonder if DJ was selected 'early' to be sure that Ned would be in full health and able to attend his being inducted? He still looks to be fit as a fiddle from what I've noticed but Gentleman Ned is getting up there in years. 547. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not crazy about DJ getting in, especially this soon. His peak as a dominant driver was pretty short ('96-'01) , he definitely wasn't close to being the best driver over that span (Gordon was by a mile), and it coincided with Dale's injury years (his down season over that stretch was 2000 which was the only year of his peak Dale wasn't injured or dead). Plus his announcing work has been without distinguishment, although in fairness to him his supporting cast at BSPN SUCKS (with the exception of Andy). That should have been BP's spot. I have no idea why he was snubbed. His career numbers are strikingly similar to DJ's and he accomplished that with underfunded teams for the most part including his championship year and his Daytona 500 winning year. And his broadcasting? I could talk all day about my favorite BP booth moments. Glad to see Jack Ingram get in. Very deserving. Maurice Petty definitely needs to be in with Richard and Inman, those 3 made that dynasty happen. Tim Flock is another good inductee, nice to see the Wild West early days get honored. But here is what I really want to talk about: FIREBALL IS IN!!!!!! This is a year or two late IMO. He came along as one of the "I'm not here to win championships or run for them, I'm here to run the big races, win the big races, get the big money from the big races, and not give two shits about points" drivers and he did it better than anyone else of his era including Junior Johnson and Fred Lorenzen. Only Pearson in the 70's would ever do it better. And his everyday guy persona along with his foot to the floor driving style and kickass nickname, he was truly Earnhardt before Earnhardt. 548. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "'If Fred Lorenzen, Bobby Isaac, and Rex White doesn't get inducted in the 2015 class, there is a problem.' And Benny Parsons." And Little Joe, too!! How is Jack Ingram NOT deserving?? SOme people on Twitter are now saying this will open the door for the likes of Mike Skinner and Jack Sprague. Fireball was an EXCELLENT choice. 549. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "people on Twitter are now saying this will open the door for the likes of Mike Skinner and Jack Sprague" Hornaday probably, but definitely not Skinner and Sprague. Skinner won a lot of races in Trucks and was the first champion, but that's about it. And Sprague has burned so many damn bridges in his career that I think pretty much everyone has forgot about him. Hornaday should absolutely, hands down be the first Truck guy to go in. It probably won't be for a while though since he's still racing. 550. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, I never said Jack Ingram isn't deserving. Jack deserves to be in this class, but the fact Jerry Cook was one of the top 5 people in votes that didn't get inducted in the 2013 year and Jack Ingram wasn't in the top 5 for vote Jack Ingram really doesn't do anything for opening the door for Mike Skinner and Jack Sprague for getting inducted into the NASCAR Hall of fame because Richie Evans got inducted into the 2012 NASCAR Hall of Fame 2012 class. Richie Evans was the king of the Modifieds in NASCAR and that means any driver in a NASCAR division outside of cup can get into the NASCAR Hall of Fame and that includes the truck series. 551. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.22.2013 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Replace Dale with Fred and you would have had the best class possible IMHO. Jarrett is in my opinion one of the most underrated drivers in the sport but he should have been in 3-4 years later, a bit like Earnhardt being a part of the first class I thought it was just too soon. Was especially happy with Robert's nomination as I thought he would be snubbed. Flock was a lock in and so was Maurice. Jack is deserving but I wasn't expecting him either. VERY GLAD Bruton Smith didn't get in as I thought the Biased-Charlotte Centric Panel would have voted him in. IMO Brasington or Earles should get in before him. 552. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also Benny Parsons NEEDS to be in HOF 2015, for both on track and off track accomplishments. 553. cjs3872 posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But NicoRosbergFan, not counting the Wood Brothers, there is only one man in the Hall of Fame that's there entirely because of his career as a car owner, and that would be Bud Moore, so even if Michael has a great car ownership career, it may not be for another 20 years after it's over before he gets a sniff at the Hall of Fame. That means that before he could even get in, guys like Smokey Yunick, Richard Childress, Joe Gibbs, Rick Hendrick, John Holman and/or Ralph Moody, Roger Penske, Jack Roush, and other car owners would have to go in first. It's likely that even with a great career that Michael Waltrip may never get in because of all those others in front of him, as well as those I did not mention, but Michael is off to a pretty good start in that regard. He's got a top-notch driver in Clint Bowyer, and now all he needs is a true superstar driver to join his team, and he's more than likely grooming Alex Bowman to be that driver. 554. David posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I never said Jack Ingram isn't deserving." I'm sorry, Eric. I wasn't singling you out. Some people on Twitter were insinuating that he didn't deserve a spot, which is utter garbage. "Hornaday probably, but definitely not Skinner and Sprague." Exactly my point. Skinner and Sprague aren't deserving. Ingram is. "Replace Dale with Fred and you would have had the best class possible IMHO." My thoughts EXACTLY. "Also Benny Parsons NEEDS to be in HOF 2015, for both on track and off track accomplishments." As far as I'm concerned, if Fred Lorenzen AND Bobby Isaac AND Rex White AND Benny Parsons AND Joe Weatherly aren't selected next year, I will be hugely disappointed. I know that is a drivers-only class, but NASCAR and the voters put themselves in this box. Also, the fan vote ballot was Richard Childress, Rick Hendrick, Dale Jarrett, Benny Parsons, and Fireball Roberts. Sad. 555. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, the fan vote ballot was Richard Childress, Rick Hendrick, Dale Jarrett, Benny Parsons, and Fireball Roberts. Sad." Childress and Hendrick shouldn't even be eligible for nomination since they are still active owners. 556. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I also want to echo what TeamPlayers said on 551. THANK GOODNESS BRUTON SMITH DIDN'T GET IN. 557. 88Jarrettfan posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DJ has been my favorite driver since I followed Nascar as a 10 year old in late 1997. I haven't been this happy since the 2008 Gatorade Duel when DJ raced his way into his final Daytona 500 with help from Harvick, Reut, and Waltrip. I saw the last win at Talledga in 2005, the last top-10 at Kansas 2006, the last race at the All-Star 2008, and now the announcement of Hall of Fame status. The induction will be sweet especially if Ned is there to share the moment. 558. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Since 1998, DJ has been my driver and I haven't been this excited since the 2008 Gatorade Duel when I witnessed DJ make his final Daytona 500 with help from Reut and Mikey. Hats off to the committee. I voted for DJ, Fireball, Flock, Benny Parsons, and H. Clay Earles. 3 out of 5 isn't bad. 559. jabber1990 posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) how many championships do Skinner and Sprauge have? 560. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber1990, Mike Skinner has 1 truck series championship and Jack Sprague has 3 truck series champions. The thing is the championships didn't tell the whole story of the two drivers in the truck series. 561. 83andJoe posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornaday - 4 Truck championships+2 Southwest Tour championships Sprague - 3 Truck championships Skinner - 1 Truck championship 562. Eric posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) While Sprague has 3 truck series championships to Mike Skinner's 1 championship, both have the same amount of truck wins. Mike Skinner actually the better truck series driver based on the fact Mike only raced full time in the truck series 9 years and Jack raced full time 13 years. The amount of time Mike spent in cup hurt his hall of fame chances because voters have a hard time to ignore Mike's cup career. Skinner didn't race full time in the truck series from 1997 to 2003. Jack only missed 2 full time seasons in the truck series from 1995 to 2003. They returned to the truck series full time in the same year, but Skinner was the more successful driver in their . Mike had 12 wins in his return to Jack's 5 wins. Mike's best points finish in his return was 2nd compare to Jack's 5th. 563. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.22.2013 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sad that the "fahns" voted for Childress and Hendrick... two owners who have shown to have little to no eye for talent. I'm sorry, but Dale Earnhardt for Childress and Jeff Gordon for Hendrick were just pure lucky shots in the dark as they made 100% bad decisions otherwise. Hendrick's first driver was that smart-mouth Yankee b@$*@rd Geoff Bodine. Nuff said. 564. cjs3872 posted: 05.22.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No eye for talent, NicoRosbergFan? Not only did Hendrick "find" Jeff Gordon, but he also catapulted Tim Richmond to Stardom, revived Terry Labonte's career, and, with Jeff Gordon's help, brought Jimmie Johnson into the fold. Not to mention having guys like Geoff Bodine, Joe Nemechek, Kyle Busch, Darrell Waltrip, and now Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and Kasey Kahne drive for him, as ell as givin Ricky Rudd his first true shot (of two) for the championship. Hendrick's got a keener eye for talent than almost any car owner out there today. And as DSFF has pointed out numerous times, Richard Childress has sometimes held his drivers back, but he's had a number of very good drivers over the years. Certainly nobody else he's had can come close to matching Earnhardt, but that's a nearly impossible standard that only a couple of others in the history of the sport can match. But Childress has had guys like Rudd (the first driver to win for him), Kevin Harvick, Jeff Burton, and even Robby Gordon win for him. And except for the Southern 500, Harvick has won every important race on the circuit, and Childress did bring him up as either Earnhardt's eventual replacement, or at the very least, a driver for his third team as far back as 2000. And only wretched luck kept Mike Skinner from winning in the Cup Series for Childress. And Jack Roush seems to be having the same problem with his drivers, in terms of holding them back, as evidenced by what Matt Kenseth's doing this year, because he's performing at a level is year that he never performed at in 13 years driving for Roush, and he won two Daytona 500s, the 2000 Coca-Cola 600 (as a rookie), the 2004 All-Star Race, and the 2003 Cup title with Roush. But he's never run like he is this year, so as Kyle Petty said a couple of weeks back, Roush may not be giving his drivers what they need, either. 565. Baker posted: 05.22.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Dale Jarrett? What a joke. His media buddies must have a lot of votes. 566. The Long Shot posted: 05.22.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fact that NASCAR allows just 5 inductees is absolute B.S. At least 3 or 4 other names from that list should have been inducted (Parsons, Lorenzen, Weatherly, to name a few). Seriously, how has B.P. not been inducted into the Hall yet? While his driving career wasn't spectacular (very good, don't get me wrong, but unspectacular), Parsons was easily the best announcer that NASCAR has ever had other than Ned Jarrett. Which brings me to my other point: if Jarrett (again, a very good, but unspectacular driver) can get into the Hall of Fame, then how come Parsons didn't (and why weren't they inducted in the same class)? Answer me that, HOF Voting Panel. 567. Jarrett88fan posted: 05.22.2013 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a fan of a particular driver, news like today's is what makes you proud to have followed your favorite for many years. I'm wearing my 1998 #88 Ford Quality Care/Ford Credit blue, red, and white hat to work tomorrow and signed by DJ, 2001 white and brown big #88 hat on Friday. Looking through my memorabilia this evening, brought back great memories of the late 1990s and early 2000s of autograph signings, fan club stuff, and old Sports Illustrated 1999 Year in Review which Jarrett shared the cover with the Silver Fox David Pearson. 568. cjs3872 posted: 05.22.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, there were three things that propelled Dale Jarrett into this Hall class which, as others mentioned, he should not have been in, and I don't think he should have bee voted in for at least two more years. The first thing that propelled him was that he, much like his father Ned, is one of the true gentleman competitors the sport's ever had, but he was as tough as it got when he needed to be, and that popularity may have pushed him over the top. The second was a factor I often mention about the top competitors in any sport, and that is that he was at his best in he sport's biggest events. There are only three drivers with multiple wins in both the Daytona 500 and Brickyard 400, one of which is Dale Jarrett, and only one man had ever won both of those events and the Coca-Cola 600 in the same year. That man was Dale Jarrett, who pulled that off in 1996. But sadly, at least for the old-timers, the third thing that propelled Jarrett was the fact that he accomplished what he did in the modern-day era, and when I mean that, I don't mean the modern-era of the sport, which goes back to 1972, but rather the modern-day era of media coverage, which goes back to 1985-'90. That means that everyone got to see what he accomplished, and that gives any modern driver a boost because everyone remembers and knows what he did. Of course, it didn't hurt Jarrett that he raced with some of the greats and was a star driver that crossed generations. His first success came against drivers such as Dale Earnhardt, Sr., Bill Elliott, Darrell Waltrip, and even Davey Allison, against whom he got his first win. his best years came when racing Jeff Gordon, Terry and Bobby Labonte, Mark Martin, Rusty Wallace, and Jeff Burton, but he was also competitive against the likes of Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson, and Kurt Busch, and other front runners of today. But being a modern driver gives him an unfair edge over some of the old-timers that fans and even some members of the panel that voted never saw race, so they wouldn't know or remember what they did. It's sad, but also true. I would have liked to have seen Benny Parsons get in over Dale Jarrett, because he accomplished far more than Dale did, when you combine his on-track success, which is vastly underrated, even though he has a championship (1973), Daytona 500 win (1975), and Coca-Cola/World 600 win (1980) to his record, to what he provided after his driving career was over, and Benny should have been selected over Dale Jarrett, at the very least, and maybe over Jack Ingram, as well, though it's good to see Ingram selected, because he was competitive at all kinds of tracks, as 5 total championships attest to. His most underrated wins may have been his two wins in the 300-mile Nationwide Series race at Daytona, which came in 1975 and 1980 before the Nationwide Series, as we know it, was even born. 569. Paul posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And Sprague has burned so many damn bridges in his career that I think pretty much everyone has forgot about him." Nobody burned more bridges in their career than Bobby Allison, and he's in the Hall of Fame. You can say that Sprague doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame because his NASCAR accomplishments aren't good enough for him to be inducted (although it's hard to ignore his three titles in five years, and his 23 wins and 63% top five percentage between 1996 and 2001), but suggesting that his history of burning bridges with his former teams is just a cop-out. Lots of people disappointed in Dale Jarrett's induction today. I guess working your ass off for 10 NASCAR seasons before getting your first Cup win, having the unfortunate luck of entering your prime at the same time as Jeff Gordon, winning a championship at age 42 (and in dominating fashion), and winning 32 races, including three Daytona 500s (including two by beating Dale Earnhardt), two Brickyard 400s, three Darlington spring races, and the Coca-Cola 600 doesn't warrant one an early Hall of Fame induction. A quarterback who wins a lot of big games is going to get voted into his Hall of Fame a lot quicker than one who doesn't win the big ones, and DJ won his fair share of big games. I didn't have him on my top five, but I have no problem with him getting inducted so soon. Obviously not everybody shares my sentiment, but you'll have that. Jack Ingram gets a well-deserved Hall of Fame induction, considering how he is the greatest Sportsman/Busch Series driver in NASCAR history. So much for being awarded with some plaque of honor. Tim Flock shouldn't have even been on the ballot this year because he should have been inducted last year (Rusty Wallace gets inducted before Tim Flock? Really???). Oh well, at least he gets inducted this year and is the headliner of his class. And Fireball Roberts, the greatest NASCAR driver to never win a championship (not that he gave a shit), gets inducted as well. Hell, maybe those two should be co-headliners of this year's Hall of Fame (Although from what I've heard, Fireball received the least amount of votes among the five inductees. Ugh, see what happens when people get that ridiculous "championships mean everything" idea drilled into their heads?). I consider Lee Petty, Tim Flock, Fireball Roberts, Herb Thomas, and Buck Baker to be the first five superstars of NASCAR. They were to NASCAR in the 1950s what Dale Earnhardt, Bill Elliott, Darrell Waltrip, Rusty Wallace, and Terry Labonte/Bobby Allison (either or) were in the 1980s. You were pretty well guaranteed that one of those five drivers were going to win the race and then go on and win the championship in that decade. Glad to see that final two pieces of that 1950s puzzle is complete with Flock and Fireball getting inducted. Speaking of final pieces of the puzzle, the 4th and final piece of that Petty Enterprises dynasty of the '50s, '60s, and '70s is now in the Hall of Fame as Maurice Petty is now in the Hall as well, joining father Lee, brother Richard, and cousin Dale Inman. Richard Petty would have never won all those races if it weren't for the man who built all those engines for him. I read 91 of The King's 198 victories at Petty Enterprises were won by at least one lap over the field, 47 of those victories were won by at least two laps. Think the engine builder had something to do with that? Richard Petty was The King and is one of the three greatest NASCAR drivers of all-time in my view (put them in any order you want), but he owes a lot of his success to both Inman and brother Maurice, and I'm glad to see that Maurice Petty got his due diligence by being inducted today. 570. The Long Shot posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, if you had read my comment correctly, you would have seen that I was referring to Ned Jarrett, not Dale Jarrett. Shame that your ramble was for naught. :) Nevertheless, I agree with what you said about DJ. It was too soon for him to be inducted, and they ought to have waited another few years to induct him. 571. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nobody burned more bridges in their career than Bobby Allison, and he's in the Hall of Fame. You can say that Sprague doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame because his NASCAR accomplishments aren't good enough for him to be inducted (although it's hard to ignore his three titles in five years, and his 23 wins and 63% top five percentage between 1996 and 2001), but suggesting that his history of burning bridges with his former teams is just a cop-out." Okay, fine. I'll just reiterate that it will be a crime if Sprague or Skinner get in as a Truck representative before Ron Hornaday does. I'll leave it at that. "Lots of people disappointed in Dale Jarrett's induction today." I wouldn't say I'm disappointed. I'm extremely happy for him and the Jarrett family. I've always loved DJ, and there's absolutely no doubt that he is a Hall of Famer. It's just that if it were up to me, I would have had BP getting in over DJ because of the huge overall impact BP had on the sport. I absolutely agree with the other four choices though. Tim Flock was obviously the "lock" for this year, Maurice Petty deserves it because he was one of those early pioneering mechanics, Jack Ingram is a short track/Busch Series/NNS legend (and will appropriately be the first to go in representing that series), and Fireball Roberts was really close to getting in last year, so he deserves it. 572. murb posted: 05.22.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So I was just researching up some more things about the Nascar Hall of Fame, when all of a sudden, this headline jumped out at me: "NASCAR Hall of Fame adds Danica Patrick exhibit" Awesome. Just awesome. If you want to read about it, you can Google that headline and read an article by Nate Ryan about it. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you want to, go for it. 573. The Long Shot posted: 05.23.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR Hall of Fame adds Danica Patrick exhibit" (retches) 574. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry about that, The Long Shot. But you asked why is Ned Jarrett in the Hall of Fame, yet Benny Parsons can't get in. The answer is very simple. Parsons did not have near the record Ned did on the track. Granted, there were more races per year in Ned's day, many of them 100 miles or less, but Ned won more than twice the number of races that Benny did (50-21) in almost 200 less starts (Benny had 526 while Ned had around 350) and won two championships to Benny's one (ironically, each had a title with just one win). Ned had a much greater on-track career, even though it wasn't nearly as long as Parsons', and the guys that have been voted in from the Cup drivers have all had superior records to Parsons. I think Parsons off-track accomplishments are why I think he should be in, but his on-track accomplishments don't warrant him being in quite yet. I also wonder if his brother Phil is sullying the Parsons name by doing exclusively S&P's, except for the Daytona 500. I hope that's not the case, but it very well could be. 575. The Long Shot posted: 05.23.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Point due, cjs. Say, while you're dishing out your opinions about all things NASCAR Hall of Fame related, do you have any predictions for next year's class? 576. JG24FanForever posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can understand why Raymond Parks and Curtis Turner haven't made it in,but Fred Lorenzen? The Golden Boy who won 25 races in his career faster than all but Herb Thomas isn't in? He was the first driver in Nascar history to have a victory at all 4 of the original Superspeedways in an era when Darlington,Daytona,Charlotte and Atlanta were the Big events on the schedule. And was maybe the greatest driver ever at the original Bristol and also a supreme master of Martinsville. 577. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't do any predictions for the 2015 NASCAR Hall of Fame Class without having an idea on who the 5 new names on the ballot are. I'm only saying that because some people are due to be the ballot like Ralph Moody and Smokey Yunick as examples. The fact is Holman-Moody is the best pre-1980's cup team not the ballot. The fact 3 drivers that won races for them are inducted into the NASCAR Hall of Fame, but not the owners is odd. It would be even more odd if Wendell Wilson or Jake Elder on the ballot for the 2015 class, but not Ralph Moody or John Holman. I do think there is going to be 3 cup drivers in the next class. 578. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, I can tell why Fred Lorenzen isn't in. From what I gathered, Fireball Roberts was last of the 5 people inducted into the NASCAR Hall of Fame in terms of votes because he didn't win a cup championship. Fred Lorenzen is suffering the same thing. The voters right now are a hard time voting in drivers that don't have a cup championship. 579. JG24FanForever posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Fred Lorenzen is suffering the same thing. The voters right now are a hard time voting in drivers that don't have a cup championship." Winning Big races was more important than the championship in his day and he never competed for one either. 580. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, I don't think you should be concern about a modern media coverage era driver getting in for the next couple years before Bill Elliott is eligible. I am saying that because right now, drivers without championships are having a difficult time to get into the NASCAR Hall of fame. I am bringing this up because Fireball Roberts had the lowest amount of votes of the 5 people inducted into the NASCAR Hall of fame because he didn't win a championship. That means Ricky Rudd wouldn't be looked at a lot as driver by the voters since he didn't win a championship and Fred Lorenzen getting into the NASCAR Hall of Fame is going to be tough also. 581. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Tim Flock was obviously the "lock" of this year" Tell that to David, who left Flock off his inductees list last night, then acted overly-shocked that Dale Jarrett was selected today as well. "I can understand why Raymond Parks and Curtis Turner haven't made it in, but Fred Lorenzen?" Some people look at the championship column first and foremost when deciding which drivers were better than others. I recall a fellow commenter on here once infamously stating "five is greater than four," so I'm not surprised that Fast Freddie didn't make the cut considering how many of the voters haven't followed it for very long. Hopefully he'll get in next year based on his current health, as I'd hate to see him be in even worse shape once he finally does get in. On a lighter note, Maurice Petty has sure given his share of interviews today after his induction was announced. "Chief" was never known for giving interviews as he often spent his "interview time" with his head under the hood of The King's race cars. The only time I ever saw him give an interview was at Darlington 1970 when he told everyone that his brother was conscious after his vicious wreck, in that same down-to-earth southern accent that he's still got today (although he was none too pleased by the safety worker who used a fire extinguisher on the invisible fire, thus taking away The King's oxygen while upside down). I can see why he and Richard worked so well for so long; they're so different personality-wise, yet they are so similar in their love for one another and for racing. They complimented each other perfectly, and the results show. 582. 18fan posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) BP should be in and I hope he gets in next year. The Golden Boy should be in next year (he was the first driver to win $100,000 in a season to go along with all of his big wins and being one of the faces of NASCAR in the 60s, especially after Fireball's untimely death), as should Little Joe Weatherly, whose achievement of winning the title driving for 9 different owners in 1963 is something special, although Petty did outperform Weatherly in every major statistical category. 583. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:45 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Scott Speed and the #95 Leavine Family Racing team will be increasing their 2013 schedule by 10 races for the remainder of the season. Apparently they gained a lot more funding after Speed's impressive 9th place finish at Talladega. Good for that team to gain more funding. Speed looked lost in his first few Cup seasons after he was pushed up FAR too quickly straight out of ARCA, but he's finally maturing as a driver and is finally looking like he belongs in a Cup car this season. It'll be interesting to see how well that team does the rest of the season now that they have additional funding. Hey James Finch, if this small part-time team can gain additional funding after one great run, while yours is supposedly going under after Indy this season due to a lack of funding, perhaps it's not the economy that's hurting your team. Perhaps it's just you. 584. Cant Stand Logano posted: 05.23.2013 - 5:31 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) all you need to know about the credibility of the NASCAR HOF: Dustin Long has a vote and Ed Hinton doesn't. 585. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.23.2013 - 7:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "P.S. While I was typing this the commercial with Austin Dillon and "adding to the legacy of the #3" played. " I just saw it too. Now I demand that they revise that commercial to include David Pearson, Junior Johnson, Charlie Glotzbach, Paul Goldsmith, and Dick Rathmann. I also want a commercial about how Elliott Sadler and Denny Hamlin are continuing the legacy of Darrell Waltrip, Terry Labonte, Cale Yarborough, and Ned Jarrett. There needs to be one with Aric Almirola since he is continuing the greatest legacy of all. 586. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 9:18 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Lots of people disappointed in Dale Jarrett's induction today." I'm not disappointed, but I do believe there was a few other drivers who should have made it in before he did. Dale Jarrett definitely deserves a place in the HoF. 587. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 9:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jack Ingram gets a well-deserved Hall of Fame induction, considering how he is the greatest Sportsman/Busch Series driver in NASCAR history." Sam Ard isn't far behind. "Tell that to David, who left Flock off his inductees list last night, then acted overly-shocked that Dale Jarrett was selected today as well." That was mostly surprise. I also said that it is really difficult to narrow down the list to five. :( I put the full blame on NASCAR for that one. Not having more than five inductees for the first class was just plain wrong. 588. The Long Shot posted: 05.23.2013 - 9:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Speed looked lost in his first few Cup seasons after he was pushed up FAR too quickly straight out of ARCA, but he's finally maturing as a driver and is finally looking like he belongs in a Cup car this season. " You're basing this off of two superspeedway races? I'll have to see more before I come to any conclusion about Speed. 589. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) But Eric, unlike Dale Jarrett, who I think got pushed over the top because of the fact that he accomplished what he did in the modern-day media era of NASCAR, Bill Elliott is a lock based on his overall record, and it wouldn't matter what era he came from. But being remembered helps marginal first or second-ballot drivers like Dale Jarrett, Ricky Rudd, and the Labonte brothers when they become eligible. But drivers of Elliott's caliber, as well as Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Tony Stewart, and Mark Martin are locks for the Hall of Fame when they become eligible, no matter what era they drove in because of their overall record. 590. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:05 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I also want to say that I am happy for DJ and his family who have to be having a blast right now (don't forget Glenn, who was/is an outstanding reporter imo). I don't see his induction this year as a travesty by any means. A lot of you are talking about his big race wins,, I want to talk about his underrated versatility. That is what impresses me the most with his career. I just felt it was about two years too soon. But I am thrilled for him personally. 591. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I also want to say that I am happy for DJ and his family who have to be having a blast right now (don't forget Glenn, who was/is an outstanding reporter imo). I don't see his induction this year as a travesty by any means. A lot of you are talking about his big race wins,, I want to talk about his underrated versatility. That is what impresses me the most with his career. I just felt it was about two years too soon. But I am thrilled for him personally." Agreed. 592. jabber1990 posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) are people like R.J. Renoylds or other members of Winston in the HOF? im sure it will come with controvercy especially being a Tobacco company especially this day in age, and of course in the future 593. Cant Stand Logano posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "are people like R.J. Renoylds or other members of Winston in the HOF? im sure it will come with controvercy especially being a Tobacco company especially this day in age, and of course in the future" don't expect any of them to get in. Not so much because of the tobacco issue, but because we can't acknowledge that there are people out there who contributed to the existence and growth of NASCAR that don't have the last name France. Look at yesterdays vote. Raymond Parks was just not snubbed, he wasn't even among the first 3 that just missed! T. Wayne Robertson, Raymond Parks, nope, not HOF worthy. But Tim France, Bill France's 8th cousin who was once a nacho vendor at Daytona, now thats a guy who as contributed to the sport and is a HOF lock! 594. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not to mention Ralph Seagraves, #593. If you bring up T. Wayne Robertson, you must also mention Ralph Seagraves, and I think both definitely belong in the Hall of Fame because of the contributions both of them made from the sponsorship point of view. If not for Seagraves and Robertson, the sport wouldn't be as popular as it is now. I also wonder what media member they're going to give the Squier-Hall award, if they're going to give it this year. If they do, this year's honoree must be Chris Economaki, who that award should really be named after. After all, if not for Economaki (and to a lesser extent, Bud Lindemann), Ken Squier and Barney Hall would not have been nearly as big in NASCAR as they deservedly got. 595. 83andJoe posted: 05.23.2013 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >I just felt it was about two years too soon. Agreed. But (as I said before) I wouldn't be surprised if concerns about Ned being able to attend his son's induction pushed him up a few years. 596. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, I think you were reading way too much into what I said and interpreted what I typed wrong. I already knew that Bill was a lock in any era for the Hascar Hall of Fame. I was only telling you that you shouldn't concern about modern era television drivers getting in for the couple years because you were making a big deal out of it since you were analyzing it. 597. murb posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just read that NHRA driver Antron Brown might start getting into stock car racing. That would be pretty cool. I've always liked him. Every time I see interviews with him, he's always got a great attitude, which we definitely need in Nascar at the moment. 598. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, I mentioned in the past that winning big races meant more than the cup Championship back in the old days. I mentioned it as reason why Buddy Baker didn't do many full time seasons matter of fact. The problem is the voters don't look at big races being as important as championships despite the era. I am saying that because How do you explain Fireball Roberts only getting 51 percent of the vote for going into the NASCAR Hall of Fame. Fireball Roberts never had plans of going for Championships like Fred Lorenzen either. While Fireball Roberts finished 2nd points in 1950, he wasn't running for the championship. I am saying that because Roberts only race 9 out of 19 races. The other thing was Drivers like Lee Petty had a lot of points taken away for racing in the USAC stock car division. That meant Fireball wasn't supposed be finishing 2nd in points if Lee was fined by NASCAR. 599. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just tuned into NWide practice, did I catch a #66 S Wallace? 600. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, You mentioning of names like Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, and Terry Labonte really doesn't effect futures class of the NASCAR Hall of Fame. I do agree that Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, and Mark Martin are locks in any era. The fact is a majority of cup drivers before the Modern Era television era that deserve to be in the NASCAR Hall of Fame, should be in before Terry Labonte is eligible to be the ballot. I think the cup Champions before 1980 outside Red Byron and Bill Rexford should be inducted into the hall of fame when Bill Elliott's name is added to the ballot matter of fact. 601. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The cup drivers that I see getting in for 2015 and 2016 Hall of Fame Classes are Bobby Isaac, Rex White, Fred Lorenzen, Joe Weatherly, and Benny Parsons. I didn't mention Bill Elliot because a driver has to wait to be on the ballot 3 years he or she retires. 602. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But Eric, you are right about the fact that there won't be any modern-age drivers for a couple more years. The one exception would be Ricky Rudd, since he is eligible, but hasn't cracked the finalists list yet. The surprising thing is that Fireball Roberts, who ended up in a tie for the last position last year, almost didn't get in this year, as he was reportedly fifth in the vote count this time around. I'd like to see what the total vote count is, but unlike the Baseball Hall of Fame, which does make the vote count public for every nominee, the NASCAR Hall of Fame does not do that. And also you mention that the only reason that Fireball was second in points in 1950 was that Lee Petty (and numerous other top NASCAR drivers) were lost all their points for running in a rival series. That kind of thing was common back then. I did a ranking of the 33 greatest drivers in Indianapolis 500 history, and one driver who undoubtedly would have been on that list had he not been banned from the AAA for running in a NASCAR charity race was Bill Holland. That took place in 1951, and Holland was not reinstated by the AAA until 1953. Had that not happened, Holland would certainly have done enough to get a place on my list, despite the big black mark on his Indy record, effectively throwing the 1947 race. But the sanctioning of drivers running in races run by other sanctioning bodies was commonplace back then. Of course, another big reason for Fireball finishing second was finishing second in the inaugural Southern 500 at Darlington. Because of how the points were weighed, Roberts got a lot of points by finishing second at Darlington that most other drivers didn't get, which also helped him finish second in the points, so he would have been high up in the championship standings anyway, based just on his finishing second in the first Southern 500 n 1950. 603. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And DSFF, watching this Nationwide practice session, that it's pretty obvious to me that Alex Bowman is capable of winning races this year, I he was with a tea capable of doing so, but RAB Racing is not a team of that caliber. And as I've said, unless Michael Waltrip puts him under lock and key, look for Jack Roush to make a run at him for next year, because I think he's just wasting his time at RAB. And I he does get into position to win, he'll likely be undone by the same thing that undid Kurt Busch in the All-Star Race, and that's a faulty pit crew. The drivers are the biggest thing keeping Roush from contending this year, and the team he's with is the only thing keeping Bowman from truly being competitive for wins this year, and when I mean team, the biggest thing I mean by that is the pit crew. I remember when Bowman won the pole and was in the top 5 at Texas, but after the first pit stop, they weren't even in the top 15 because their pit crew is so lousy. Now I know the equipment at Roush isn't up to the other teams, but the drivers are making it look worse than it really is because they won't push the car under normal circumstances. 604. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'd like to see what the total vote count is, but unlike the Baseball Hall of Fame, which does make the vote count public for every nominee, the NASCAR Hall of Fame does not do that." Actually, you can figure it out. The nationwide fan vote is the 55th and final vote, so that means that there are 55 votes total. Tim Flock received 76%, which is 42 votes. By the same token, Petty (67%), Jarrett (56%), Ingram (53%), and Roberts (51%) received 37, 31, 29, and 28 votes, respectively. 605. murb posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just tuned into NWide practice, did I catch a #66 S Wallace?" Yeah, he's back. It'll be interesting to see if he revives his "Buckshot Jr" routine. 606. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You're basing this off of two superspeedway races? I'll have to see more before I come to any conclusion about Speed." I'm basing this off of his two finishes of 23rd or better in his two full distance races this season, the fact that he's now got the equivalent of three full-time Cup seasons under his belt after being shoved up too quickly with no stock car experience (It took Allmendinger three years before he began to show strides in stock cars as well.), and despite having one top ten finish compared to five start-and-parks this season, he is the second-most consistent passer in Cup (behind Paul Menard) and has a higher PEER than the likes of Montoya (1 top five), McMurray (3 top tens), Almirola (Chase contender), Menard (Chase contender), and Stewart (1 top ten). Notice how none of those drivers are start-and-parkers and have all had at least one top ten finish this season, yet they're producing less than what Scott Speed has so far. That's where I base my assumption on. "did I catch a #66 S Wallace?" Yes he's running the Nationwide race this weekend. "Roberts got a lot of points by finishing second at Darlington that most other drivers didn't get, which also helped him finish second in the points" He should have finished 3rd in the points, as Lee Petty was the deserving champion that season. NASCAR stole that title from him by docking him points for participating in a non-NASCAR sanctioned event. That'd be like NASCAR penalizing Kyle Busch points for running in the Snowball Derby earlier this year. It's completely ridiculous. Forget the infamous 1956 championship (even though Buck Baker deserved that title), the 1950 Grand National championship is the most bastardized championship in NASCAR history. As far as I'm concerned, Lee Petty was NASCAR's first 4-time Grand National champion, beating his son to that distinction by 13 years. 607. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It'll be interesting to see if he revives his "Buckshot Jr" routine." The difference is that Buckshot won races. He also led 55 or more laps in a season three times in his Busch Series career while driving in his family's equipment, while Steve Wallace led just 57 laps in his entire Nationwide Series career in his family's equipment. 32 of those 57 laps led came in one race (Bristol 2007), and he led just 15 laps in his final four full-time seasons. 608. murb posted: 05.23.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good to see Michael Annett back. "The difference is that Buckshot won races." You're absolutely right. But he was also in the wall (unassisted) a lot, so other than the race wins and strong runs by Buckshot, I feel like it's a good comparison. Speaking of wrecking balls, John Wes just spun in practice. 609. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What I was referring to David, was every nominee, even those that don't make it. Make the vote totals for all 25 nominees public just like is done by the Baseball Hall of Fame. There they have far more nominees and between 400 and 500 voters, but the full results are made public and always have been made public. I know they publish the vote totals for those that make it, but what I was saying is why not publish the vote totals for every nominee, not just those that make it. 610. JG24FanForever posted: 05.23.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think the cup Champions before 1980 outside Red Byron and Bill Rexford should be inducted into the hall of fame when Bill Elliott's name is added to the ballot matter of fact." Red Byron IS HOF worthy! He won Nascar's first race at Daytona in 1948 and beat Fonty Flock for the first Nascar championship in the modified division with 11 wins. He won Nascar's first Cup series Championship known then as: Strictly stock in 1949 with wins in the first Cup series race at Daytona and the first Cup race at Martinsville. The only champ that won't make the Hall is Rexford for very obvious reasons. 611. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, my point was not that Fireball shouldn't have finished up high in the points because he only ran half the races in 1950, but rather he finished as high as he did because he finished second in the first Southern 500 because of all the points he got from that finish alone. Also, Lee Petty was not the only one docked points for running in another series, but was the most notable one, and as I mentioned, it was not uncommon for sanctioning bodies to heavily penalize drivers for running in races held by other sanctioning bodies, and the Lee Petty situation was one case, and the Bill Holland case was another when the AAA banned Holland for running in a NASCAR charity race in 1951, and didn't reinstate him until 1953, effectively ruining his career, which was on the way to becoming as great as any in Indianapolis 500 history until that happened. 612. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, I wasn't even talking about Fireball Roberts in my previous post. I just said that he should have finished one position lower in the points because Lee Petty should have been the champion in 1950. 613. Eric posted: 05.23.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, I did not say Red Byron wasn't Hall of Fame Worthy. The problem is the voters for the NASCAR Hall of Fame. The fact is I don't think Red Byron is going to be voted in before Bill Elliott is Eligible in 2016. I am saying by taking a look at the top 3 people that got got the most votes that aren't in the Hall of Fame. The top 3 people with the most votes in the Hall of Fame for the 2014 NASCAR Hall of Fame Ballot was Jerry Cook, Joe Weatherly, and Wendell Scott. That meant the voters didn't really consider Fred Lorenzen or Red Byron as one of the top 3 not inducted in the NASCAR Hall of Fame thought Wendell Scott was. 614. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I just got this month's NASCAR Illustrated, and it contains a Danica poster. How should I destroy it? 615. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.23.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I stopped getting NASCAR Illustrated years ago... too much of a tabloid and NASCAR propagandist material... I say cut it to pieces with scissors or paper shredder and burn the remains (safely, of course). 616. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.23.2013 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy moly did anybody just see Kurt Busch's qualifying lap? Amazing how he drove over those turn 3 bumps balls out. 617. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, as much as that is true, NRF, I do find bits of interesting information in there occasionally. I also collect their posters. I do plan to let my subscription expire, though. I watched the HoF induction video, and I have several takeaways: - I appreciate the fact that NASCAR acknowledged the previous incarnation of the Busch Series (pre-1982). Now all they need to do is nominate Harry Gant, and we'll be set. - I noted that the top three vote-getters were first-time nominees. Is that an indictment on the nominating committee for not putting them on the list soon enough? - Did Ned Jarrett seriously compare Fireball Roberts to Jimmie Johnson? 618. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.23.2013 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ned was there when Fireball Roberts was driving and is here today when Jimmie Johnson is driving. How many of us were? "Seriously?", I'd believe what Ned Jarrett says about Fireball Roberts than most people on this website. 619. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I see your point. But he did describe Johnson as a "hard charger". Johnson doesn't strike me as a hard charger. 620. Flywheel posted: 08.10.2013 - 8:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @375; March Madness and other events have been held during the day on network television. 621. 23andJoe posted: 10.23.2014 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cautions: 7 for 16 laps: Laps 8-15 (Rain); Lap 20 (Competition); Lap 25-28 (#17, #55 accident trioval); Lap 40 (Competition); Lap 60 (Competition) Lap 67-70 (Debris); Lap 80 (Competition) 622. Premium Doesn't Suck 62 66 94 98 posted: 11.11.2015 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates: #9 DeWalt/Stanley Tools #16 Filtrete/3M #20 Husky Tools/Home Depot #78 Armed Forces Day/Furniture Row/Sealy #99 GearWrench/Fastenal #10 GoDaddy Cares Correction: Car involved in the lap 25-28 caution was the #55, not the #155 623. 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