|| *Comments on the 1951 unnamed race (1951-38):* View the most recent comment <#22> | Post a comment <#post> Tweet 1. Pacer posted: 11.04.2009 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First Cup race at Speedway Park 2. Dan Jackett posted: 04.20.2013 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 5 of the 12 drivers that would have qualified for a Chase in 1951 raced at Jacksonville...Herb Thomas got his 7th win of the season, and Fonty Flock finished 3rd, cutting Flock's lead over Thomas from 35 to 28 points...With only 2 race dates left, only the Fonty Flock, Thomas, Tim Flock, and Lee Petty have a shot to win the Championship Point Standings (2011 system/Chase format) 1. Fonty Flock (8 wins) 2284 2. Herb Thomas (7) 2256 3. Tim Flock (6) 2204 4. Lee Petty (1) 2203 Mathmatically Eliminated 5. Lloyd Moore 2136 6. Bob Flock (1) 2108 7. Frank Mundy (2) 2093 8. Lou Figaro (2) 2068 9. Curtis Turner (3) 2056 10. Dick Rathman 2042 11. Jim Fiebelkorn 2016 12. Marshall Teague (5) 2015 3. Timberwolf Frenzel posted: 12.11.2014 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eddie Anderson started third. 4. Timberwolf Frenzel posted: 12.11.2014 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dan Jackett, Lou Figaro only had one win. 5. nascar_vd / racing-reference.info posted: 08.03.2015 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Note for visitors: we have found some informations missing until now on the website (lap leaders and a lot of starting positions,...). But we also know that there were 36 drivers at the start. Currently our archives do not allow us to know who they were. 6. Alex posted: 08.03.2015 - 11:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know how to find out who those guys are. Problems however prevent this from happening. 7. dennyfan11 posted: 11.15.2019 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Judging by the laps led, shouldn't lead changes be listed as 2? 8. Tigerman posted: 08.07.2020 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder who the other 14 drivers are. 9. Tigerman posted: 08.07.2020 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Number suggestions... Even though the records aren't there Joe Eubanks drove the #82 in all of the races he attempted and Jimmy Florian drove the #27 whenever he was in a car he owned. 10. Tigerman posted: 08.13.2020 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) All the websites say that there are only 22 entries. I don't know where people think that there are 36 entries. 11. David posted: 08.13.2020 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because all those websites, including this one, got their information from the same sources. The 1951 season in particular is FULL of races for which complete information is apparently still not possible to obtain barring someone stumbling across old newspaper articles. NASCAR itself has no official race reports for 1951 (nor for many other older seasons). As far as 1951, there are very likely *entire races* missing from the records; it's not a case of merely missing drivers from known races, though there's plenty of that. Other old seasons are probably imperfect too, but 1951 leads them all by a mile in terms of incompleteness as far as I can tell. 12. ScottB posted: 08.13.2020 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lot of information on the early races is reconstructed from local newspaper accounts, because official NASCAR records are not available. Entry lists in particular are hard to nail down. Track promoters often published what today would be called prelimary lists of the expected drivers, including some who ultimately were no-shows. So programs sold to fans at the events, or news coverage based on that information, is not definitive. This can work the opposite way, too, some late entries may get overlooked for the same reason, printed lists were prepared too far in advance to include them. 13. Corey posted: 08.13.2020 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @11 The only thing I disagree with from that post is the idea that entire races are missing. At the very least, I'm sure NASCAR would have wanted to record the winner and enough of the results to apply the points to the championship. 14. ScottB posted: 08.13.2020 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 13, The problem is that the results were kept long enough to determine those championships and any end of the season bonus money, but at some point long before the digital age a lot of the information was either lost by accident or discarded because someone thought it was no longer of much interest. It isn't just NASCAR, either. Racing sanctioning bodies in general were not good about this in the early days of the sport. 15. Tigerman posted: 08.13.2020 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even in an article i found from 1954 says only 22 drivers raced in that race. https://www.facebook.com/334372557703/photos/a.10150129229222704/10156382253752704/?type=3&theater 16. Corey posted: 08.13.2020 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @14 My only question then, is there any indication that there is a missing race, or is that just an assumption based on the incomplete information we do have? 17. Archie posted: 08.13.2020 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think there's firm evidence that any 1951 race is entirely missing, but how can you prove something doesn't exist? 18. KW posted: 08.13.2020 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) NASCAR did publish yearbooks/record books in those years, you can often find them for sale. They won't tell you the full field but they list all the races. I have a '54 record book someplace and I'm pretty sure it listed the races and winners from 49-53. 19. Alex posted: 08.13.2020 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, from 1951 into the 1960s, NASCAR insisted there were 9 races in the 1949 season, but whatever happened to it is unknown. It could have been a typo, or it really could be a lost race. 20. KW posted: 08.13.2020 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tim Flock won at Lakewood on 10/23/1949, it was listed in the 1950 yearbook as being co-sanctioned with NSCRA. I've seen it listed as a NASCAR Race in places, it also explains why sometimes Tim Flock is listed as having 40 wins and sometimes as 39. 21. thog posted: 08.13.2020 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Technically, there would actually be 10 races to the 1949 season, since they ran two exhibition races at Lakewood that year. Both of those races were actually sanctioned by the NSCRA, Bill France just gave his drivers the OK to run with the rival series. 22. MSportRev posted: 09.28.2020 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Attendance: 4,000 Source: https://twitter.com/Basso488/status/1191233613636849664/photo/1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: