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  1.   rob posted:
  04.01.2013 - 6:43 pm
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Fireball Roberts , Buck Baker , Buddy Arrington , and G.C. spencer were
among cars that crashed through the wooden guardrail in the first and
second turn in Saturday practice and qualifying. The track was repaved
just prior to this event and the resulting lack of traction caused all
kinds of problems. Roberts was unable to start his heavily damaged Ford.


  2.   Danish Pie posted:
  07.22.2018 - 3:07 pm
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What was the deal with the 22 DC?

Obviously has something to do with the practice/qualifying crash
mentioned in post 1. Was there another driver practicing?


  3.   George posted:
  07.22.2018 - 3:31 pm
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That looks like an error. How can there be an official driver change
when the driver of the car doesn't actually change? It's particularly
dubious considering the #22 didn't even start the race, so there's no
need for a replacement driver anyway.


  4.   CHUCK posted:
  04.19.2019 - 4:11 pm
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THAT WAS WHAT NASCAR USED TO BE REAL CARS RUNNING AGAINST ONE
ANOTHER,NOT THE GARBAGE THEY HAVE US WACHING THESE DAYS!!


  5.   Corey posted:
  04.19.2019 - 5:15 pm
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Real cars were out the window within 10 years of this race, if not already.


  6.   possum posted:
  04.19.2019 - 6:31 pm
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@5 - depends on your definition of "real car", I guess. 64 was the last
year the body and chassis had to match - after that you could put a body
on a different production chassis and it was legal (and almost everyone
used a 65 Ford chassis for a while). That, of course, led to more and
more of the chassis being fabricated and less of it production.

Bodies had to be production stock (Smokey Yunick not withstanding) well
into the 70's, with stock bumpers and trim at least until 1974 (altho
door handles disappeared a couple of years earlier).

Engines weren't production stock ever, altho until fairly recently you
had to start with a production block. Up until the late 70's or early
80's you could, in theory, order all the NASCAR parts from the dealer's
parts counter.

If you were to ask me, I'd say cars were "real" into the mid-80's. After
that the noses started to be obviously different from production,
leading to the aero monstrosities which preceeded the Car of Tomorrow
(which was a monstrosity in it's own right).


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