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  1.   STbastien posted:
  11.22.2004 - 3:02 pm
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I can t believe it !!! It couldn t be worse that it has been :kurt busch
champion......damn ! Sorry for his fans but i hate him.

Here is the old point system :

1 Gordon 5042

2 Johnson 4995
-47
3 Earnhardt Jr. 4869
-173
4 Busch 4795 (is this a champ ???)
-247 !!!
5 Stewart 4701
-341
6 Martin 4597
-445
7 McMurray 4597
-445
8 Kenseth 4376
-666
9 Newman 4361
-681
10 Sadler 4315
-727
11 Labonte 4277
-765
12 Kahne 4274
-768
13 Harvick 4228
-814
14 Jarrett 4214
-828
15 Mayfield 4183
-859


  2.   Jake posted:
  11.22.2004 - 8:28 pm
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Man what a championship race!!! Probably the best ever. Congrats to Kurt
Busch, who is likeable to me. I don't care about who would've won under
the old system. If's and but's for candy & nuts.


  3.   BL posted:
  11.22.2004 - 10:23 pm
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I dont like Kurt Busch either. But hes champion deal with it... And stop
whining about the OLD system. Yes i liked it better but we have the new
system live with it.


  4.   JJ Lehto posted:
  11.23.2004 - 12:50 am
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Great win for Biffle.


  5.   James posted:
  11.23.2004 - 12:56 am
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While I do care about the Old point System. and Cup Racing to me is
still called

NASCAR Winston Cup Series.


  6.   HomeDepotKid posted:
  11.23.2004 - 8:40 pm
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TO KURT BUSCH(even though it's unlikely he'll read this):
I cheer against you on Sunday, but I take my hat off to you.

You're the first NEXTEL Cup Champion.

Forever.

NOW GO ENJOY IT!


  7.   Mike D. posted:
  11.29.2004 - 1:19 am
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I dont like Kurt Busch, but he won it honestly without any contriversies
or sudden surprises with other contenders. Congratulations.


  8.   Anonymous posted:
  12.19.2004 - 8:28 pm
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Congrats to Jeff Gordon for his fifth title.


  9.   Jake posted:
  12.20.2004 - 1:17 pm
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Will you get over it, man?! Kurt Busch won the title, it's not that hard
to realize. Besides, I'd rather have Kurt serve as champion then have
two drivers I don't like finish 1-2.


  10.   Uh Joe posted:
  01.15.2005 - 4:58 pm
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I don't see what the problem is ,so Kurt is the champ now I know not
many people like him but I guess we are just going to have to deal with it.
Now to Jeff Gordon now I'm not to fond of him but he had a good run but
it looks like it wasn't so good for Jr.and again great job out to Kurt
Bush.


  11.   Jake posted:
  01.19.2005 - 2:51 am
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Thank you, Uh Joe. I'm thankful someone finally agreed w/ me on the
outcome of this race. Thanks, man!!!


  12.   Jeff W. posted:
  02.20.2005 - 6:00 am
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Good job, Jeff Gordon!


  13.   JG24 posted:
  02.22.2005 - 3:24 am
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JG should be going for title #6 in 2005, oh well he will finish with at
least 10 before he retires!


  14.   Mike D posted:
  03.28.2005 - 10:00 pm
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Yea thats for sure.... and in 2005 Ricky Rudd will win 14 races.


  15.   ANONYMOUS posted:
  04.12.2005 - 9:00 pm
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Kurt Busch won, get over it! He won it fair and square. There were no
controversies, no big unexpected events, he won it, simple.

And whats with all the Gordon talk? How many times must people say how
he would've won. WE ALL KNOW under the old system Gordon would have won
a 5th championship, but we have a new system. So why dwell about what
could've/should've/would've been?


  16.   CRASH! posted:
  04.14.2005 - 3:21 pm
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Mike Bliss had to retire after having a crash with the wall, it is
unknown who got into him that turned him around, he was running in front
of the leaders at the time.


  17.   Joe Laracuente posted:
  05.26.2005 - 3:45 pm
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not as great as the 1992 hooters 500


  18.   larry spencer posted:
  10.09.2005 - 9:47 pm
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Kurt has about 1 fan and iy aint me i am jimmy spencers cousin ,worst
champ ever Kurt Busch


  19.   Anonymous posted:
  11.23.2005 - 5:46 am
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the four problems of this format reared their ugly head in its first year...
1. the real champ looses b/c of luck (gordon)
2. a driver who would have been eliminated before the season finale won
(busch)
3. a driver that made the chase didnt deserve to be there and would've
finished out of it (mayfield)
4. a driver with a hot streak at the end gets trapped into 11th place
even though they deserved a top 10 spot (mcmurray)

i agree its great racing and fun thinking more ppl are in it but more
often than not these problems will reaccur. the 2nd year went perfectly
though! i mean the points would have gone to the finale between johnson
and gordon anyways thats a little interesting isnt it?


  20.   Steve posted:
  02.07.2006 - 12:20 am
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WITH THI$ CHA$E $Y$TEM, I CAN GUE$$ WHAT NA$CAR'$ PRIORITY I$...


  21.   Miller4Prez64 posted:
  05.10.2006 - 10:22 pm
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Kurt Busch is awesome!!!! He earned that title having a tire come off
and come back to win it by 8 points and all you baby gordon fans shut
up, Kurt is the REAL champ, and to all the whiners that are agaisnt the
chase if someone you like won it you wouldve loved it.


  22.   Darrell posted:
  07.12.2006 - 9:38 pm
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Not necessarily. It's sort of like having all the points team worked
hard for reset to a tie when the two-minute drill comes. It's just weird
that way. NASCAR doesn't need drama. It just needs racing.


  23.   Thomas posted:
  08.09.2006 - 7:21 am
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If Jimmie hadn't had 7 DNF's (2 in the chase) and Jeffie hadn't had 4
DNF's in addition to 2 crappy finishes in the chase; one of them would
have won. But they didn't win because they had crappy, inconsistent
seasons, unlike Kurt Busch. Kurt was my hero, but I don't like him
anymore because he reneged on Jack, however, he deserved to win this
one. Jeffie needs another championship like we need a bullet to our heads.


  24.   Rusty posted:
  08.14.2006 - 6:46 pm
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Kurt put himself in position in the first 26 races, then attacked when
it matters in the last 10. Saying Kurt didn't deserve this title is like
saying the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't deserve the 2005 NFL World
Championship because they got in the playoffs on wildcard.


  25.   Dan posted:
  09.29.2006 - 10:36 pm
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Yeah, Thomas. "Jeffie" had such an INCONSISTENT season that he would
have won the championship. Man, what a crappy year!


  26.   Steve posted:
  12.04.2006 - 5:01 am
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Mathematically, Gordon should have been the 2004 Cup champion, but I
agree with you, Thomas. Where's that Smith & Wesson?

Hopefully this will be Kyle Petty's last DNQ, but not Brendan Gaughan's
last Nextel Cup start, but this was Kurt Busch's last Bud Pole for Roush
Racing.

John Andretti's ride was NOT owned by A.J. Foyt, it was an entry fielded
by Greg Pollex, probably best known as the Busch Championship car owner
in 2000, courtesy of Jeff Green.


  27.   Steve posted:
  02.05.2007 - 5:29 pm
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Kurt owes Biffle big time for his champaionship. If Greg had allowed
either Gordon or Johnson to pass him for the lead, Kurt wouldn't have
been the champion.


  28.   tommy posted:
  02.10.2007 - 5:01 am
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The circumstances that won the title for Busch were completely different
than they would have been with no Chase. Who's to say that without the
Chase he doesn't push harder for better finishes and wins in the first
26, instead of just getting himself there. We'll never know how drivers
would have raced under the old system. Congratulations to Kurt, I hate
him as a driver and he has ruined the 2 car for me. He deserved this
championship though.


  29.   Steve.M. posted:
  07.31.2007 - 5:53 am
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wow in 2004 during the last 17 races the Green white checker was in
effect, however in those 17 races it was only used 3 times.

Indy
Phoenix
Homestead


  30.   most posted:
  03.14.2008 - 9:55 pm
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I know that Kurt didn't win it in the old points and that kind of stinks
(not for me, I like Kurt!) but this race was awesome! He did what they
said couldn't be done, won the title with a 43rd place in the chase and
also came back from that tire deal in this one, one of the classic
races. Too bad the Chase has been crap since this one :(


  31.   Anonymous posted:
  03.29.2008 - 2:55 pm
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No longer Kyle Petty's last DNQ. He missed the 2008 Martinsville race.


  32.   Paul posted:
  06.06.2008 - 3:03 am
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Widely regarded as the race that led to the formation of the T35
qualifying system in 2005. 56 cars attempted to make the 2004 finale,
leaving some notable teams missing:

45 - Petty
09 - Sauter
11 - Yeley (JGR using the 11 at the end of 2004 for its 2005 entry)
50 - T. Bodine


  33.   kirkyal posted:
  06.07.2008 - 2:44 pm
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People moan when Kenseth runs away with it in 2003, people moan when
Kurt wins it in 2004 under the chase system... u just cant win!!


  34.   RLB posted:
  06.18.2008 - 7:38 am
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Jeff Gordon's third consecutive finish of 3rd and one of the most
dramatic races I ever saw.


  35.   reffy posted:
  03.08.2009 - 9:00 am
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If NASCAR gave only points to those who finished first and second, (win
= 2, second = 1) than this would be the Top 10 for 2004

Johnson - 22
Earnhardt - 14
Gordon - 12
Martin - 8
Stewart - 6
Busch - 6
Newman - 6
Kahne - 5
Kenseth - 5
Sadler - 4
Biffle - 4
Mayfield - 4


  36.   SoxFan24 posted:
  10.25.2009 - 1:34 am
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Milestones:

First time a season finale used the Green White Checkered format

First chase for the cup champion crowned

First of three straight wins in the season finale for Greg Biffle
(should make Biffle16 happy haha)

Final start and top 10 so far for Brendan Gaughan

Last race the 99 car ran unsponsored in some way

Last race Terry Labonte would be a full-time competitor as of 2009

Last race for America Online as a primary sponsor in Cup


  37.   dewalt17 posted:
  11.17.2009 - 9:36 am
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i accept that kurt took advantage of the new points system but he is
still the least deserving champ of all time


  38.   blaneyfan66 posted:
  12.12.2009 - 11:12 am
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Greg Sacks finished pretty good. Lot of laps completed for Hermie
Sadler, too. :)


  39.   Madison posted:
  01.15.2010 - 10:32 pm
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Only race Kyle Petty DNQ'ed in the year.


  40.   slowbird posted:
  05.21.2010 - 11:28 pm
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I still can't believe the way things went, with Kurt breaking a wheel
and almost hitting the pit wall, but the tire rolled out onto the track
and the caution came out, keeping him on the lead lap. Just amazing.

Also, he was the last guy not named Jimmie Johnson to win the
championship...ah the good old days :D


  41.   slowbird posted:
  05.21.2010 - 11:28 pm
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Oops, I forgot about Tony Stewart...but still, the most recent Ford
champion.


  42.   JJSucks posted:
  10.09.2010 - 1:58 pm
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I totally agree with Post #37, Kurt Didn't deserve the title in 2004 at
all. He's inconsistency at its best. Even Kenseth was much more
deserving that him.


  43.   Ryan posted:
  11.21.2010 - 1:30 am
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What was Joe Nemecheck thinking late in the race?


  44.   Brad posted:
  02.21.2011 - 3:45 pm
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I think this was the last Cup race for Tony Eury Sr. as crew chief for
Dale Jr. I may be wrong though.


  45.   Evan posted:
  06.07.2011 - 1:31 pm
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* Last time Robby Gordon drove for Richard Childress.
* Last time Jeff Burton drove the 30, he would drive the 31 the next year.
* First championship for crew chief Jimmy Fennig.
* ALSO, last race for the DEI crew cheif/driver combos:Waltrip/Rondeau
and Earnhardt/Eury before the ill-fated switch up that doomed that team.
* Last race for Brendan Gaughan in the 77 car, he returned to trucks the
next season.
* Last race for Tony Stewart's orange black and white sharkfin scheme,
they'd switch to a better black and orange scheme the next year.
* Last time the 36 was used by MB2.


  46.   18fan posted:
  08.09.2011 - 10:59 pm
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Third and final pole for Kurt Busch at Roush in 5 seasons. In 5 1/2
seasons(at the time of this post) with Penske he has 12 poles as of 8/9/11.


  47.   Evan posted:
  10.11.2011 - 1:30 pm
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Only time the Chase delivered an outcome similar to the Hooters 500
which will never be duplicated. The formula has worked once and will
most likely never work again because drivers and teams can prep for the
Chase and save data and information more consistently now. The first
Chase was a lot of unknowns and teams went all out but by the time there
were 3 seasons of this thing, teams had notes and knew what to do.
Bigger teams consistently in the Chase got better because they knew what
to do because they were there. Roush, Gibbs, and Hendrick always are
successful now because they have been there done that.


  48.   18fan posted:
  11.05.2011 - 11:08 am
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Last race without Kyle Busch in the field until Texas in November 2011
when he was parked.


  49.   Ed posted:
  02.10.2012 - 3:32 pm
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As a Gordon fan, I am extremely frustrated with the Chase. NASCAR
thrives on being different from other sports, why did they need a
playoff system? Who gives a shit if someone runs away with the title?
That's the other 42 teams' faults for not figuring out how to beat him.
NASCRAP invented the Chase to try and compensate for inequalities among
the teams, and it worked. A little too well. Take 2007 for example. Jeff
Gordon had 30 top 10s and would have handily won the championship. But
no, NASCRAP has to be bitches about it and wipe out his monstrous lead
after Richmond in an attempt at "fairness". And then he goes out and has
a phenomenal Chase where his worst finish is 11th and somehow he still
loses the title. He loses the title despite a 5.1 average finish in the
last 10 races. Jimmie Johnshit averaged a 5.0, slightly better but not
as consistent as Jeff. But because he wins 4 races in the last 10 to
Jeff's 2, he's a more deserving champion? Bullshit. 2007 was Gordon's
year and the powers that be ripped him the f**k off.


  50.   Anonymous posted:
  03.31.2012 - 7:44 pm
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Looking at where Kurt Busch is right now, he's is the most mediocre (and
undeserving) champion in NASCAR Cup history.


  51.   kup posted:
  05.24.2012 - 1:08 am
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UPS - Universal Points System - after all races of 2004 Cup
Points for a driver = His Distance /devided/ His Average Finish

Dis/AvFn = Driver = KM-Miles / AV-FN


1190 Jeff Gordon 13561 / 11,4
1177 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 14246 / 12,1
1106 Jimmie Johnson 13382 / 12,1
1083 Tony Stewart 13976 / 12,9
1081 Kurt Busch 13515 / 12,5


  52.   Daniel posted:
  05.24.2012 - 1:14 pm
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In using fastest 43: #09 Johnny Sauter, #45 Kyle Petty, #75 Mike Garvey

Out using fastest 43: #5 Terry Labonte, #41 Casey Mears, #49 Ken Schrader


  53.   CBASS posted:
  01.19.2013 - 7:36 am
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  54.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  06.29.2015 - 7:37 pm
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Last Cup race in the booth for Allen Bestwick until the 2011 Brickyard
400 when he then worked for ESPN.


  55.   BMan0213 posted:
  06.29.2015 - 7:51 pm
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Maybe it's just the nostalgia, but watching this race on NBCSN right now
really makes me miss the old cars. Man they were nice.


  56.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  06.29.2015 - 8:03 pm
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"Maybe it's just the nostalgia, but watching this race on NBCSN right
now really makes me miss the old cars. Man they were nice."

Oh I definitely agree. You could put those generation cars on any track
and they would put on a great race, even Indianapolis. Plus the Monte
Carlos Chevrolet raced were just nice looking cars. Same with the Dodge
Charger from '05-'07.


  57.   BMan0213 posted:
  06.29.2015 - 8:30 pm
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Wow the race for the lead between Tony and Newman with 30 to go was
epic. I feel so much of the actual racing from this race gets overlooked
because of the tight points battle.


  58.   numbah10hatah posted:
  07.23.2015 - 10:52 am
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Shane Hmiel's best career (now) Sprint Cup Series start in 7 career
races, he started 13th.


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  08.24.2015 - 8:54 pm
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  60.   NASCARLover22 posted:
  08.24.2015 - 9:49 pm
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  61.   88&4Fan posted:
  09.06.2015 - 1:28 am
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Top 50 drivers from the 2000-2004 seasons:

Pos. +/- Name Points Starts Poles Wins Top5 Top10 Top15 Top20 Led
1. -- Jeff Gordon 24077 178 22 20 73 111 126 135 6607
2. -- Tony Stewart 23532 178 5 16 64 103 119 134 4187
3. -- Bobby Labonte 22157 178 8 9 50 79 111 130 1353
4. -- Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 21909 178 6 15 52 78 104 118 4438
5. -- Mark Martin 21537 178 2 3 43 82 107 129 1667
6. -- Jeff Burton 21405 178 1 6 33 69 112 131 1827
7. +2 Rusty Wallace 21339 178 10 6 32 74 109 128 3626
8. -1 Matt Kenseth 21325 178 1 9 40 80 102 127 1786
9. -1 Dale Jarrett 21294 178 8 9 44 82 103 118 1358
10. -- Ricky Rudd 20560 178 5 3 39 61 96 124 1326
11. -- Sterling Marlin 19139 171 1 4 24 59 86 107 1506
12. -- Ward Burton 17579 176 1 4 13 42 67 92 1104
13. -- Michael Waltrip 17460 178 4 18 34 54 87 624
14. -- Terry Labonte 17398 176 2 1 9 28 52 87 199
15. +1 Kurt Busch 17144 150 3 11 34 61 83 92 2519
16. -1 Elliott Sadler 17130 177 2 3 14 33 52 85 587
17. -- Jeremy Mayfield 16948 168 7 3 22 45 66 84 1476
18. -- Kevin Harvick 16812 142 2 4 27 56 78 97 1298
19. -- Joe Nemechek 16144 170 3 3 12 31 46 76 741
20. -- Bill Elliott 15878 146 6 4 23 42 65 89 1183
21. +2 Jimmie Johnson 14813 111 7 14 40 64 78 85 2794
22. -1 Jimmy Spencer 14791 165 2 8 23 44 61 611
23. -1 Ken Schrader 14782 174 10 26 53 95
24. -- Johnny Benson 14505 140 1 14 32 57 78 292
25. -- Ryan Newman 14320 116 27 11 45 60 72 76 2797
26. +1 Robby Gordon 13685 142 3 10 26 39 65 334
27. -1 Dave Blaney 13674 157 1 1 17 34 57 155
28. -- Ricky Craven 13472 150 3 2 10 24 39 59 633
29. -- Steve Park 12177 125 4 2 12 30 41 57 850
30. -- John Andretti 12026 143 1 6 26 48 91
31. -- Kyle Petty 11390 147 2 15 33 40
32. -- Mike Skinner 10517 120 2 1 13 27 44 405
33. -- Jerry Nadeau 9890 108 1 8 17 31 41 646
34. -- Kenny Wallace 9881 120 1 2 5 17 30 125
35. -- Jeff Green 9783 111 2 4 9 18 39 212
36. -- Jamie McMurray 9263 78 1 1 15 38 48 52 428
37. -- Todd Bodine 9034 120 4 3 8 22 35 137
38. -- Bobby Hamilton 8852 101 1 3 12 26 37 360
39. -- Greg Biffle 8021 78 1 3 7 14 29 40 504
40. -- Brett Bodine 7303 103 2 9 18 11
41. -- Kevin LePage 6956 92 1 4 14 21 60
42. -- Robert Pressley 6118 69 2 6 19 27 19
43. -- Casey Mears 6094 72 2 1 9 15 22 112
44. +1 Mike Wallace 5993 74 1 10 15 22 119
45. -1 Casey Atwood 5974 73 1 1 4 10 22 137
46. -- Stacy Compton 5901 83 2 1 5 12 22
47. -- Dale Earnhardt 5077 35 2 12 23 26 30 368
48. -- Kasey Kahne 4274 36 4 13 14 21 21 692
49. +1 Scott Wimmer 3966 45 1 3 9 16 19
50. -1 Rick Mast 3956 55 2 6 10 1


  62.   Premium Doesn't Suck 62 66 94 98 posted:
  10.07.2015 - 6:17 pm
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2004 Nextel Cup DNQ Count:

1. Kirk Shelmerdine, 14
2. Morgan Shepherd, 13
3. Carl Long, 11
4. Kevin Lepage, 10
5. Stanton Barrett, 9
6. Hermie Sadler, 8
7. Greg Sacks, 7
8. Andy Hillenburg, Ryan McGlynn, 6
9. Todd Bodine, Geoffrey Bodine, Tony Raines, Derrike Cope, Mike
Wallace, Mike Garvey, 5
10. Larry Foyt, Kenny Wallace, Johnny Sauter, 4
11. Kyle Busch, Kerry Earnhardt, Brad Teague, 3
12. Larry Gunselman, Andy Belmont, Klaus Graf, Larry Hollenback, J.J.
Yeley, Stan Boyd, Randy LaJoie, 2
13. Steve Park, Jeff Fultz, Chad Blount, Eric McClure, A.J. Henriksen,
Scott Pruett, Boris Said, Tony Ave, Martin Truex Jr., Kenny Hendrick,
Scott Riggs, Scott Wimmer, Mario Gosselin, John Andretti, Travis Kvapil,
Kyle Petty, 1

44 drivers at least DNQ'd for one race
28 drivers with at least two
21 drivers with at least three


  63.   Premium Doesn't Suck 62 66 94 98 posted:
  10.07.2015 - 8:37 pm
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Another note:

Scratch Geoffrey Bodine down from 5 to 4. According to Jayski, Bodine in
the #93 car withdrew from the race.


  64.   someone posted:
  01.06.2016 - 12:21 am
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As of when I'm typing this, 2004 is still the most recent year in which
an odd numbered car (in this case #97) won the championship. Since 2004,
the #20 won in 2005, the #48 won from 2006-2010 and 2013, the #14 won in
2011, the #2 won in 2012, the #4 won in 2014, and the #18 won in 2015.
All of which are even numbers.


  65.   Gordon7timechamp posted:
  01.30.2016 - 7:46 pm
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NA$CAR crowned its first welfare champion. See post #1


  66.   Anonymous posted:
  06.17.2016 - 7:18 am
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Post #26

A.J. Foyt was listed as #14 owner because Greg Pollex bought the points
the A.J. Foyt team collected early in 2014, in hopes of getting a
provisional for the races they ran at end of the season.


  67.   Anthony posted:
  09.20.2016 - 7:22 am
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Its really hard to say if Gordon would have won this championship had
there not been a Chase. Johnson had that "bad run" in August which lost
him 300 odd points. There is absolutely no way he'd have done that if
there was a full season points championship.


  68.   Anonymous posted:
  12.30.2016 - 1:23 am
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  69.   What is a Champion? posted:
  08.16.2017 - 7:41 am
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Fans were mad that Kenseth won by consistency with one win so next year
they get a champion who wins by being consistent for the final 10 races
with only one win.


  70.   Mannoroth posted:
  08.16.2017 - 1:29 pm
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69. Plus, the 2005 champion didn't win a single Chase race...


  71.   kup posted:
  11.16.2017 - 2:12 pm
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* Dale Jr. started 16th in the final race, but finished 23rd.
IF he'd finish 16th as started, his AF 'd be 11.9 (not 12.1)
AND 14246 miles / 11.9 = 1197 UPS > 1190 Jeff's.

UPS: universal points system.
Driver's UPoints = Miles / Aver.Finish
2004
UPS _ Driver = Miles / AF
1190 _ Jeff Gordon 13561 / 11.4
1177 _ Dale Earnhardt Jr 14246 / 12.1
1106 _ Jimmie Johnson 13382 / 12.1
1083 _ Tony Stewart 13976 / 12.9
1081 _ Kurt Busch 13515 / 12.5

&

TOTAL: UPS! 56 years 1949-2004:
Dale Earnhardt 8 in: '80, '86, '87, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95.
Richard Petty 7 in: '63, '64, '67, '71, '72, '75, '79.
Lee Petty 5 in: '50, '52, '54, '58, '59.
David Pearson 4 in: '66, '68, '69, '76.
Cale Yarborough 3 in: '74, '77, '78.
Bobby Allison 3 in: '81, '82, '83.
Mark Martin 3 in: '90, '97, '02.
Jeff Gordon 3 in: '98, '01, '04.
Buck Baker 2 in: '56, '57.
Rex White 2 in: '60, '61.
Terry Labonte 2 in: '84, '96.
Bill Blair 1 in: '49.
Fonty Flock 1 in: '51.
Herb Thomas 1 in: '53.
Tim Flock 1 in: '55.
Joe Weatherly 1 in: '62.
Ned Jarrett 1 in: '65.
Bobby Isaac 1 in: '70.
Benny Parsons 1 in: '73.
Darrell Waltrip 1 in: '85.
Bill Elliott 1 in: '88.
Alan Kulwicki 1 in: '92.
Dale Jarrett 1 in: '99.
Bobby Labonte 1 in: '00.
Matt Kenseth 1 in: '03.


  72.   Jimmie4life posted:
  02.02.2018 - 5:26 pm
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Look how NASCAR has changed. 21 Dodges, and now, they struggle to get 2
Dodges in the field. Now it's just a Toyotathon. Whoopdie freakin' do.


  73.   34McDowellFan posted:
  02.02.2018 - 5:34 pm
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@72 Considering you're a JJ fan, you ought to remember 2007 when Chevy
won 26 races, in 2017 Toyota won 16, which is 10 less...


  74.   Jimmie4life posted:
  02.02.2018 - 5:59 pm
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Well, that was because of Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon's experience,
since both have won a championship[s]. Toyota was because NASCAR was
more strict with policies a couple years later, but not as strict back
when Gordon and Johnson were the class of the field.


  75.   Jimmie4life posted:
  02.02.2018 - 5:59 pm
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Also, Toyota's won 14 of there races in the 2nd half, which made the 2nd
half a snooze fest.


  76.   Brandon posted:
  04.01.2018 - 2:27 am
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A total of 4 manufacturers raced in the 36 races in 2004, here is how
many races each showed up to.
Chevrolet: 36
Dodge: 36
Ford: 36
Pontiac: 4


  77.   Minnowfur posted:
  05.11.2018 - 6:24 pm
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My favourite races in 2004

1.Martinsville first one
2.Homestead
3.Bristol first one
4.Brickyard 400
5.Richmond second one
6.Pheonix
7.Texas
8.Dover first one
9.Rockingham
10.Kansas


  78.   Joshua posted:
  08.23.2018 - 1:34 pm
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MTJ DNF'ed because of..."tire"?

Can someone explain this? I'm not sure I've seen that anywhere else.


  79.   GGDC posted:
  08.23.2018 - 1:47 pm
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@78 I think he had a severe tire failure. Ripped the entire left(?) side
of the car off.


  80.   cba2442 posted:
  08.23.2018 - 1:50 pm
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78. He blew a right rear tire and tore the entire quarter panel and some
of the door. It pretty much exploded.


  81.   NewJack posted:
  08.23.2018 - 1:50 pm
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@78, Truex had a massive tire blow out with about 20 laps to go. He
didn't hit anything, but tore off the entire rear quarter panel. So they
just parked it, thus the DNF reason.

Here's a video of the blowout: (Not the best, but it gets the point)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-41mCnY938


  82.   Joshua posted:
  08.23.2018 - 2:21 pm
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^ 79, 80, and 81, thanks for the clarification. But it also begs the
question, while not a big deal overall, that sounds like the race
retirement would be due to crash damage, so the result would be "Crash"
or "Accident" I would think, right?


  83.   David posted:
  08.23.2018 - 2:23 pm
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The official race report is a little more specific, listing the reason
for Truex's DNF as "rear tire".


  84.   MSportRev posted:
  08.23.2018 - 2:59 pm
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@83 my guess would be that the team ran out of tires that they could use
or had an issue with a loose wheel that they couldn't replace the tires?


  85.   Joshua posted:
  08.23.2018 - 3:49 pm
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On a championship note, everyone likes to point to this title and this
year as one that Jeff Gordon won under the old system, but what gets
lost in that is Jimmie Johnson was one pass for the lead away from
winning an additional title, and therefore he would have 8 now. We only
know this now, but Greg Biffle killed two birds with one stone with this
one.

Also, Kurt Busch's right front tire coming off right as he ducked onto
pit road, therefore not only causing a caution when he was already on
pit road, but Kurt being able to miss the nose of the pit wall by about
6 inches, was one of the most fortuitous turn of events in sports
history. Kurt not only escaped both going at least one lap down and
crippling damage, but serviced the car and stayed on the lead lap.


  86.   NewJack posted:
  08.23.2018 - 4:48 pm
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The reason it wasn't marked as crash was because he didn't crash. The
tire blew while going down the straightaway. He didn't contact the wall,
grass, or any other cars. With this being the first Chase, a lot of
lower teams made a point to get out of the way of the Chase drivers.
Especially with 20 laps to go. So rather than be in the way, they chose
to park it. Using the blowout as the cause.


  87.   Me. posted:
  04.30.2019 - 7:28 am
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If Jeff Gordon "deserved to win" he would have. At least it wasn't like
a CERTAIN YEAR when NASCAR GRANDFATHERED Kyle Busch into the Chase
despite him missing all those races. Now THERE is someone who didn't
deserve to win the title.


  88.   Anthony2 posted:
  09.10.2019 - 9:47 pm
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Fun fact: Every NASCAR Cup race has been televised in HD since the
season finale at Homestead in 2004. Very few people had HDTV's then. And
now most of us have 4K Smart TV's!

Technology is weird these days.


  89.   Anthony2 posted:
  09.10.2019 - 9:48 pm
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Of course, the Daytona 500, Brickyard 400, & the fall Richmond races in
2004 were broadcasted in high definition. But this started that long
streak we're on now.


  90.   Stonex posted:
  03.17.2020 - 7:18 am
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2004 standings with the modern playoff format:
1. Jimmie Johnson (5042)
2. Jeff Gordon (5041)
3. Tony Stewart (5040)
4. Dale Earnhardt Jr. (5021)
5. Kurt Busch (2450)
6. Mark Martin (2418)
7. Jamie McMurray (2399)
8. Ryan Newman (2341)
9. Greg Biffle (2341)
10. Rusty Wallace (2341)
11. Kasey Kahne (2329)
12. Kevin Harvick (2305)
13. Matt Kenseth (2282)
14. Dale Jarrett (2274)
15. Jeremy Mayfield (2270)
16. Elliott Sadler (2259)


  91.   Matthew posted:
  05.20.2020 - 12:08 am
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For those that like the hypothetical "what if" situations:

If either
A: Jimmie Johnson had passed Greg Biffle and won the race, or
B: Brendan Gaughan had passed Kurt Busch for 5th

Jimmie Johnson would currently be an 8-time champion, the most of any
driver.

Eight points was the difference, but not to worry; Jimmie would win his
first title 2 years later.


  92.   Sector posted:
  05.20.2020 - 6:40 am
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#91 Who's to say had Jimmie won the title for 2004, that he would
proceed to win 5 in a row from 2006-2010 anyway? Things would have been
different as a butterfly effect.


  93.   Matt21 posted:
  05.20.2020 - 6:40 am
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@Matthew-#91

And if we take away the Phoenix and Miami problems in 2012, he has 9
titles.


  94.   rm posted:
  05.28.2020 - 1:22 pm
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Looks like an unusual problem that popped up in this race hasn't been
mentioned: two of the five debris cautions were due to pieces of the
caution lights breaking and falling onto the track. Yet another piece of
debris was originally linked to Ryan Newman's car, though later on the
NBC booth speculated that it too might have been part of the
start-finish line caution light system. Between that and Kurt Busch's
wheel seeking its freedom, it was an afternoon for bizarre debris cautions.

Jeff Green was one of the victims that punted a piece of the light when
it bounced onto the track, incurring nose & radiator damage before going
up in flames later on. They never confirmed a connection between the two
events, but it's certainly quite plausible that they were related.


  95.   JSPorts43 posted:
  06.29.2020 - 4:40 pm
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In 2004, NASCAR implemented the playoffs. One of the main points made in
favor of the playoffs, among others, was that it emphasized winning.
This was important to the sanctioning body after Matt Kenseth won the
2003 title with just 1 race victory. Here's the question: have the
playoffs actually led to the champion winning more races?

In the 16 years of the playoffs, the champion has won, on average, 5.8
races out of 36 (I adjusted Kyle Busch's 2015 total to reflect a 36-race
season.) 6/16 years, the champion has won the most races in a season.

In the 16 years prior to the playoffs, the champion won, on average, 6.1
races out of 36 (again, adjusted for seasons with fewer than 36 races.)
7/16 years, the champion won the most races in a season.

Basically, the playoffs didn't help drivers who won more actually win
titles. In fact, it slightly hindered that.


  96.   possum posted:
  06.29.2020 - 6:52 pm
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@95 - the playoffs have pretty much eliminated the possibility of a
driver winning the championship with only 1 win, however, which is what
they were intended to do. They never were intended to result in the
champion being the guy who won the most races.


  97.   BOBO83329521 posted:
  06.29.2020 - 6:56 pm
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@96
How about Ryan Newman in 2014, Matt Crafton in the trucks in 2019?


  98.   What posted:
  06.29.2020 - 7:08 pm
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@96 and @97 Not to mention the championship Dale Junior would've won on
this format with a 0 win season, which many conspiracy theorists believe
is why the format got changed. I disagree, but still worth noting.


  99.   SweetRich posted:
  07.08.2020 - 10:21 pm
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The final career NASCAR Cup Series race for Brendan Gaughan until
Phoenix in November of 2010.


  100.   SweetRich posted:
  07.08.2020 - 10:21 pm
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Terry Labonte's final career race behind the wheel of the #5 Chevrolet
for Hendrick Motorsports.


  101.   SweetRich posted:
  07.08.2020 - 10:21 pm
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The final race where the #30 was used by Richard Childress Racing.


  102.   SweetRich posted:
  07.09.2020 - 12:06 pm
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The final race for Robby Gordon competing for Richard Childress Racing
in the #31 Chevrolet.


  103.   Ryan posted:
  08.25.2020 - 11:54 am
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@91

If Jimmie passed Biffle for the lead at the end he would have won the
title with how the points were set up and the fact that he hadn't led a
lap yet. He would have scored 185 with the pass and win and would have
won by seven points.

If Jimmie stays in 2nd and Gaughn passes Busch for 5th, then Busch still
wins the title by 3 points.


  104.   Anonymous posted:
  11.24.2020 - 5:48 pm
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Reading the comments on this old Chase system 16 years later is funny as
heck. Boy, did the fans not know how good they had it. If I had to
choose a Chase system I would want back, it'd be either this one or the
one used from 2011-13.


  105.   Rich posted:
  11.24.2020 - 8:38 pm
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Allen Bestwick, Benny Parsons and Wally Dallenbach were the
commentators. Bill Weber, Matt Yocum, Marty Snider and Dave Burns were
the pit road reporters.


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