|| *Comments on the 2008 Dickies 500:* View the most recent comment <#106> | Post a comment <#post> 1. ChazzyJoe posted: 11.02.2008 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Woo-hoo! First one to comment! Go Cousin Carl! Man, Jeff got lucky with that second. Hopefully Carl can get past Jimmie at Phoenix and Homestead. 2. Ambrose_fan posted: 11.02.2008 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Solid 21st place finish for Marcos Ambrose, his best Cup result on an oval. He's on the right track to get that #47 into the top-35 by Daytona '09. Good job to Brad Keselowski, 19th on debut. 3. Neal posted: 11.02.2008 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't agree with it but Gilliland probably did what almost every driver on the track has considered doing at one time or another - put Juan Pablo Montoya into the wall intentionally (and hard). Montoya's a legend in his own mind - a pompous blowhard whose results don't match his press. Gilliland will probably get suspended, but suspending him for intentionally wrecking someone, while doing nothing to Montoya for doing the same thing (Kyle Busch @ Loudon) will be hypocritical. 4. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2008 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was not an exciting race before near the end of the race. Good run for David Reutimann. Brad Keselowski had a good finish for his debut in cup. The 88 crew did a bad job calculating Fuel mileage. I don't know what David Gilliland was thinking. 5. Don DeWeese posted: 11.02.2008 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now that the chase has tightened up maybe Young France did not have such a bad idea after all? You got to give it up to Carl Edwards and Roush/Yates engines, they made one tank go 69 laps, wow. Not to mention they led 212 of the 334 laps and put all but 11 cars one or more laps down, including the guy he's chasing Jimmie Johnson. He also gave Jimmie his first finish outside the top-10 in his last ten races. Last week after Atlanta everyone was telling Edwards and Biffle that they did not stand a chance. Well it ain't over till the last lap at Homestead, let's not forget what all happened to Kurt Bush back in 2004 at Homestead, the front wheel comes off, he almost ran into the tire barriers and everyone said that it's over them but the Roush boys never gave up,and took the CUP. I hate it for JPM. Let's hope that Gilliland gets a firm punishment for his actions. He could have taken out half the field or the Chase Contenders. I think a $100,000.00 fine ,100 points, and a two race suspension, which would also knock him out of the top 35 so he will have to qualify on speed for the first half dozen races in 2009. Ya'll stay tuned cause things can change real quick in this sport that we all love. 6. Dodge posted: 11.02.2008 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What can I say about Gilliland's intentional wreck of Montoya. What a cowardly move by Gilliland. 7. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2008 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) - Carl Edwards dominates the race, and becomes the only three time winner at Texas, and he kept the streak of winning at Atlanta and then Texas alive. - Reutimann had the 2nd best run of his career by spending the whole day in the top 5 and challenging for the lead early in the race. - For the 3rd straight week AJ finishes ahead of Sadler and the driver who replaced him, and only two positions behind Kahne. He is really making TRB look stupid. - Moldy bread barely qualifies for the race and finishes 40th ahead of cars that crashed, had engine troubles and got parked. Reed Sorenson had engine troubles and finishes ahead of him, Nemechek had a bad car again and beat him. - Second week in a row Montoya had a strong car when Gilliland took him out, which was an idiotic thing to do. - Keselowski has a good debut and finishes 19th. - Best run of the year by far for McMurray, glad to see him not have any more bad luck. I thought Edwards and Gordon were going to run out of gas. - First non top 10 finish for Johnson in the Chase since Charlotte last year. - Who needs the Chase? With the traditional system the points battle would actually be worth watching. 8. Josh20 posted: 11.02.2008 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good JaimeMc running well. Could have very well won the race if gas wasn't an issue. David Reutimann, David Ragen and Brad K. had good runs. David G. is an idiot. He could have hurt JPM. Concidering he got his ride by luck, not talent. RYR made a mistake in hiring him. 9. Clayton posted: 11.02.2008 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Neil can't agree more Also, I am glad to see in Joey Logano's first two cup starts that it was the 96 car that was the reason he finished in 32nd and 39th. Because in a Gibbs car he finishes 40th 7 LAPS DOWN!! OUCH!! Think he's making the jump to cup a little too early? Me too! 10. Dodge posted: 11.03.2008 - 6:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even though Gilliland did what he did, I read that NASCAR is not going to penalize Gilliland anymore. Gilliland said that all he wanted to do is get the 42 loose. Guess he thinks NASCAR fans are dumb enough to fall for his excuse. 11. Anonymous posted: 11.03.2008 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else notice those track workers picking up what was essentially crumbs under that first debris caution 12. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2008 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I missed the first 200 laps cause I was playing in an epic backyard football game. Apparently I didn't miss much. This race shows what bugs me about the Car of Sorrow. Edwards dominates BIG TIME but falls to sixth after a yellow flag pit stop. With four fresh tires, and five cars ahead of him with only two new tires that he had dominated all day, he couldn't go anywhere. He had to make a fuel gamble to win the race. And NASCAR says there will be no changes next year. That is a damn shame. Maybe I will continue to only catch the last 1/3 of these races. 13. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2008 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Neal, I agree with what you said 100%. I am not excusing Gilliland, but if anyone deserved what happened, it was Montoya. He has no respect for anyone on the track, he just constantly runs into people then acts like it is no big deal, until he gets run into. Somebody needed to put him in his place. But David should have waited until they got to the corner, then planted him. On the straightaway you run a much bigger risk of collecting other cars. NASCAR says no further penalties will be coming. I think even they realize Montoya needs to be taken down a few pegs. 14. Anonymous posted: 11.03.2008 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It looked like they were pretending to pick stuff up. 15. Kit posted: 11.03.2008 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As much as I hate drivers intentionally taking each other out, it's silly that a lot of you are crying over Juan Pablo Montoya. The guy has hit just about everything else on the track so far. The way I see it, JPM brought a lot of it on himself. Josh20, how in the world can you say that Gilliand got a ride just from luck? He got a ride because he scored an upset victory in a Busch race. That takes talent. Part of the reason why I don't care much for Cup and don't like some of the new drivers is because they tend to attract fans like Josh20. 16. dUDE gUY posted: 11.04.2008 - 2:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't see the Gilliland/Montoya incident until I searched for it on the internets, but after seeing it I cannot buy Gillilands crap excuse. He meant to spin the 42 car, plain and simple. It marks the second week in a row JPM had a possible top-ten run go bad due to circumstances out of his control. DSFF, I cannot agree more that the first 2/3rds of a race nowadays often seem to be insufferably boring. I usually end up playing a video game while the race is on, and occasionaly pause it to check up on the race. Even as short as two years ago you didn't have to do that. Anyways, it was an interesting end to a decent race. After all, you rarely see the dominant car gamble on fuel mileage for the win. 17. Jeffrey posted: 11.04.2008 - 4:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah Kit because it is such an upset to win a race where J.J. Yeley finished second. PLEASE! David Gilliland does not belong in Cup. 18. Dodge posted: 11.04.2008 - 6:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a surprise Kit. How much of the Cup races do you watch? I only see Montoya racing hard and when you race hard, LITTLE taps are going to happen. What Gilliland did was blatent. I don't understand all the hate for Montoya. From you, I do because the only person that it seems that you like is Hornaday because when I said what I said YOU verbally attacked me. You sound like you must think highly of yourself like you are a Queen. 19. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2008 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dodge, little taps don't happen from one driver every single week. The guy has no respect and thinks he can just run over everyone, and now he is being put in his place. If he ever gets in good equipment and tries doing stuff like that to the top dogs, he will get dumped a lot. They will be smarter than Gilliland and be more discreet about it, but they won't take it either. 20. Neal posted: 11.04.2008 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dodge - The problem with Montoya is that he acts as if his open-wheel accomplishments automatically garner him respect in NASCAR. They don't. Do you think that Lewis Hamilton would just move over and let Jeff Gordon pass him if Gordon joined F-1 next year? No. Gordon's wins and championships don't mean crap in F-1, just like Juan's wins in CART and F-1 don't mean crap in NASCAR. Switching from open-wheel to NASCAR is no different than you or I starting a new job with a new company. We have to earn the respect of our fellow employees. Montoya hasn't done that. He drives as if he's annointed and has no problem openly admitting he runs into people who get in his way. 21. Josh20 posted: 11.04.2008 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit, you seem to have a problem with me. So.........what did i do? Answer me, what did i do that makes you hate me? Is it my opinion of David G.? Kit i'll tell my favorite drivers (put them in anyorder you wish) Tony Stewert, Greg Biffle, Jaime Mcmurray, Elliot Sadler, Robby Gordon, and Jeff Gordon. As you can see i like guys who have been around for more than 2 years and have won races and or championships. And it seems you and Dodge have past run in with eachother. Dodge is right, you think you are the queen. And to cover all bases if your problem with me stems from Michael Waltrips driver page. I seriously don't know what to say to you. 22. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.04.2008 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DaleFan and Kit: You are both idiots. Juan doesn't need to be 'put in his place' by any NASCAR driver for one thing. Regardless of his early exit from F1 that man has more wins in all types of sports and 3 of the biggest crown jewels of all. Indy 500, Monaco and Daytona 24 hours. HE, if anyone, deserves respect. Not some half-baked moron like David Gilliland who has the racing resume of Speed Racer. A fictional character. So, having said that.. perhaps Juan needs to put THEM in their place. He will be in racing history as one of the greatest racers of all time whether you like it or not. Jr and DG will not. Jr only by name and fan base. Not by accomplishments. And BTW.. JOSH is right so get of his back. Have a Nice day :) 23. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.04.2008 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hi Neal: "Montoya's a legend in his own mind - a pompous blowhard whose results don't match his press" A legend. Period. You want results.. put him on Hendrick or Gibbs. Ganassi is shit and you know it. He has kicked all his team mates butts. Enough said. Like it or not.. the man has done more in racing than any NASCAR driver ever will. Have a nice day. 24. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.04.2008 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry Neal but that argument is weak. He doesn't 'demand' respect from anyone on track. He just prefers not to ride in circles like most of them do., He tries hard and some times it bites him. That's going to happen. Specially on a bad team like Ganassi. We are all talking about him right? Well, then he has done his job. Get people fired up. Good or bad. better than being a backmarker that no one even knows of. 25. Kit posted: 11.04.2008 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Josh20, some of the stuff you have said in the past was puzzling and I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. You kinda have that "new, casual NASCAR fan" attitude sometimes. "How much of the Cup races do you watch?" Considering how bad NASCAR has gotten, I am proud to say not a lot. Dodge, honestly, I'm not a real fan of Hornaday. Never really cared for his rough attitude in the past. Jeffrey, how is J.J. Yeley's finishing position have anything to do with Gilliand? Are we going to start rating races by the finishing position of Yeley or something? I mean, would a win by Gordon, Edwards, or Earnhardt Jr. be less important if Yeley managed to stay in the top 35? Granted I don't think Yeley even runs anymore in Cup but that's besides the point. If Michael Waltrip manages to get a 34th place finish, is a win by, say, Matt Kenseth less important to you because Waltrip didn't finish in his normal 40th position? It's amazing how many fans JPM has. He sucks, get over it. He's like Cole Trickle at the start of Days of Thunder, putting a dent in every corner of his car and scraping every decal off. 26. Dodge posted: 11.04.2008 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes Josh20. Me and Kit have had issues in the past. I like GOOD HARD RACING AND IF THERE IS A BUMP WITHOUT WRECKING, BFD. If you can't handle being bumped, then don't give the bump. Just don't wreck somebody. 27. Dodge posted: 11.04.2008 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you don't like the bumping, go watch the Grand-Am Series where if you bump you get penalized. 28. Anonymous posted: 11.04.2008 - 11:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David Gilliland does not belong in Cup." - Jeffrey Wow, so he intentionally wrecks another driver and all of a sudden he doesn't belong in Cup? I guess Tony Stewart shouldn't be in Cup either after wrecking Kenseth at Daytona in 2006, and then Bowyer/Edwards at Pocono in 2006. And how about Montoya himself wrecking Busch at New Hampshire this year? The only driver in the field who shouldn't be in Cup is the driver of the #02 car. Qualifies dead last and runs there the whole day, and moves up three spots because of other driver's misfortune, all despite having better equipment than half the drivers out there. That's pretty awful for someone who's supposed to take over Stewart's ride. 29. Kit posted: 11.05.2008 - 2:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, DaleSrFanForever, noticed how Reutimann once again finished way, way higher than Waltrip in the same equipment? 30. Steve posted: 11.05.2008 - 7:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not getting into who did what ... I just have a question: why did Lagano get zero points? On NASCAR it says "PE". Just wondering. 31. Dodge posted: 11.05.2008 - 7:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Kit, I think what Jeffrey meant was that when Yeley ended up second at NH in June, it was an upset. Just like when Gilliland finished second at Infineon, that was an upset. Montoya deserves respect for 2 reasons. 1 He has won in the series before. and 2 Atleast when Montoya drives he is statistically better but bad luck really catches up. Since Gilliland won at Kentucky in Nationwide, what else has he done? One pole at Talladega and one for the Daytona 500. A couple of top 5's and a few top 10's. Montoya has FEWER career starts and I believe he has doubled what Gilliland has or close to it. 32. petty43 posted: 11.05.2008 - 8:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) that stands for points exempt i believe but i have long since forgotten why they do that. 33. Steve posted: 11.05.2008 - 9:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Points Exempt - that's weird since he got points for two previous races. Do PE races count toward rookie status? 34. Neal posted: 11.05.2008 - 9:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Steve - I believe (and I could be WAY wrong) that points exempt means the car was entered in the race after the entry deadline. 35. Dodge posted: 11.05.2008 - 9:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The reason why Logano got 0 Points or PE is that originally the 02 was not on the entry list filed TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE EVENT. As a result, they get 0 driver points and 0 Owner points. I thought also that the deal was that they got 0 money as well but I guess not. 36. Sean posted: 11.05.2008 - 10:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I believe PE stands for Post-Entry, not points exempt, meaning Logano was placed on the entry list after the deadline when you're supposed to file your entry blank. It happens a few times a year with drivers/teams competing part time, and not for the championship. 37. Neal posted: 11.05.2008 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dodge - Montoya has ONE win. So do Phil Parsons, Greg Sacks, Ron Bouchard, Bobby Hillin, Lennie Pond, Dick Brooks, Richard Brickhouse, Casey Mears, and Brian Vickers. Do they deserve respect, too? MakeUMyWoman - You're right Montoya's a good driver and could do better in Gibbs or Hendrick equipment but calling him a legend is a HUGE stretch. Legends are drivers like Mario Andretti, AJ Foyt, Michael Schumacher, Ayrton Senna, Rick Mears, Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell, Nikki Lauda, Juan Manuel Fangio, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Mark Donohue, Dan Gurney, Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, David Pearson, Al Unser, Sr, and Darrell Waltrip. 38. Dodge posted: 11.05.2008 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All I am saying is that Montoya deserves MORE respect than Gilliland. I am gonna take a line from Kurt Busch that he used against Jimmy Spencer. David Gilliland will be a DECREPIT OLE NEVER-WAS. 39. Anonymous posted: 11.05.2008 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just look up Montoya runs into camera on youtube and you will see what a pompous ass he is. He doesn't even put his own gloves on for gods sake. He has a serious little mans complex that he tries to cover up with a stock car. 40. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.05.2008 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry but anyone who wins the Indy 500, Monaco, a couple championships in different forms of racing, and several wins in other series makes him a legend. Just like AJ and Mario. The other guys are very much legends in their specialty but guys like JPM, Mario and AJ Foyt who win in several series are the REAL racing legends. Guys like Gordon who win a lot in ONE series are not so much.IMHO. 41. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.05.2008 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just look up Montoya runs into camera on youtube and you will see what a pompous ass he is. He doesn't even put his own gloves on for gods sake. He has a serious little mans complex that he tries to cover up with a stock car." You would be too if some numb nut ran over you with a 60lb camera. He has a Latin temper. Nothing wrong with that. It makes him flamboyant. Much better than having a redneck temper like Kevin Harvick. LOL 42. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.05.2008 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I noticed that Kit. Heck, he was running 2nd for a while. I bet he can't wait for 2010 when his MWR contract is up and he can get one of the good rides that inevitably become open every year. Actually, in all fairness, MWR cars are showing some signs of life. Heck, even Mikey ran well in the first 1/4 of the Atlanta race before he totally shit the bed. When a decent driver like Reutimann is behind the wheel, they can somewhat compete. MakeUMyWoman? Ummm, I really don't want to be your woman. First of all, I am a guy, so that would be a little awkward. As far as your post, it is pretty ridiculous. All of his accomplishments outside of NASCAR mean nothing. Those were completely different cars in completely different series. That doesn't mean anything in stock cars. Hell, look at JJ Yeley. He won the triple crown in sprints and where did that get him? In the unemployment line. And Juan's 2000 Indy 500 came during the CART-IRL split. Many of the big name open wheel teams weren't racing in Indy that year, they were crashing on the first lap at a competing race in Michigan (I know that actually happened in 1996, but it made me smile when I thought about it, so I mentioned it). Did Michael Jordan deserve any extra respect from his team when he played baseball? Of course not. He was an awful player and was kept in the minors. Besides, even if all that meant something (and it doesn't), that doesn't excuse the way Juan races. Your resume doesn't give you an excuse not to respect anyone. And another thing, his stock car resume isn't that much better than Gillilands. They each have one Busch win (David's was way more impressive: no sponsorship and he didn't have to wreck his teammate to get it, unlike Juan) and Juan only has one fuel mileage Cup win. David has put up similar numbers despite not having a sponsor this year. And here is the biggest kicker for you JPM supporters: HE DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO KYLE BUSCH AT NEW HAMPSHIRE!!!!! So kiss my ass. 43. Anonymous posted: 11.05.2008 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you DaleSrFanForever!!!!!! Flamboyant MakeUMyWoman?? I am starting to get the feeling that Juan is your woman! 44. Kit posted: 11.05.2008 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sure thing, MakeUMyWoman. I am an idiot. That's why I started out with absolutely nothing and got a free ride to a top-100 national university. That's also why I'm looking graduate programs that will benefit me greatly afterwards. Hahahaha. I could not care less about Juan Pablo's accomplishments in F1 or whatever it was he raced in. I am not a fan on F1. I do not watch F1. I don't even know any of the drivers in F1. What I do know is that ever since Juan Pablo has entered NASCAR, he can't seem to keep from damaging his car and someone else's car every week. When a driver gets into it with several different drivers in a period of two seasons, there's something wrong with that driver. Juan Pablo doesn't seem to realize that he isn't playing bumper cars out there. He just does not have any common sense whatsoever. He reminds me of some of the boneheaded moves Ernie Irvan used to do. In fact, we could even consider Juan Pablo to be Ernie Irvan sans driving ability. For someone who's done all that in racing, Juan Pablo sure hasn't accomplished much of anything in NASCAR. I guess all those wins in other series only amount to being competitive on a NASCAR road course race. Oh, and DaleSrFanForever could contribute more to this web site by slapping his head on the keyboard than you ever could. Dodge, there are A TON of drivers that have won one race in Cup that didn't do much else in every other race. Your logic is flawed. Gilliand has been driving a car that has been pretty much UNSPONSORED the entire season. Perhaps you never actually bought a race car and done some racing on your own, and I'll tell you something: it takes money to be competitive. At least Gilliand hasn't been in as many wrecks and driver altercations as JPM. "All I am saying is that Montoya deserves MORE respect than Gilliland. " Unlike Montoya, Gilliand usually doesn't have to show up in the garage post-race with a beat-up race car and a pissed off driver that he has to confront. 45. Dodge posted: 11.05.2008 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And here is the biggest kicker for you JPM supporters: HE DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO KYLE BUSCH AT NEW HAMPSHIRE!!!!! 2 reasons why nobody really complained. 1) Not many people like Kyle Busch. 2) Average speed is a lot slower at New Hampshire and if I recall, it was while the yellow flag was out. 46. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.05.2008 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2) Average speed is a lot slower at New Hampshire and if I recall, it was while the yellow flag was out. That didn't stop Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin from getting killed at that exact same track IN THE SAME YEAR!! And the yellow had JUST come out, they weren't fully slowed yet. And they were 2/3 of the way down the straightaway, the fastest part of the track. So that is no excuse. And just for the record, like Kit, I also have a four year Bachelor of Science college degree. But unlike Kit, I had to pay for it. And I'm pretty sure it isn't a Top 100 national university. "Flamboyant MakeUMyWoman?? I am starting to get the feeling that Juan is your woman! " HAHAHAHA!!!! I get the same vibe from MakeUMyWoman. Somebody needs to tell him that Kevin Harvick, he of "redneck temper", is from CALIFORNIA!! Seriously though, that is very hypocritical. A temper is a temper. A more proper term for Juan and Kevin is "childish temper". And Juan isn't a legend because he has never been THE guy in any of those series. Speaking of Harvick, I can draw a parallel between those two. Kevin has won all the big races in NASCAR, like Juan in other series, but also like Juan has always been overshadowed in the big picture from a performance standpoint. Legendary? As Neal said, only in his own mind. 47. Dodge posted: 11.05.2008 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit, the reason why Gilliland never has anyone mad at him is because when you race with awful drivers like Gilliland does, Sauter, McDowell, Speed and Blaney. One thing that I liked about Blaney is that he was on This Week In NASCAR and he and Knaus both said that it looked intentional and it was uncalled for. And lastly, Kit. I was not born to a wealthy family. Originally I wanted to try racing but I have ZERO patience. I would love to work on a team or for NASCAR more than anything else in life. I know it takes a lot of money Kit. I am not an IDIOT. 48. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.05.2008 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ha. My college at least made Princeton's "Best 357 colleges". I thought that was funny for some reason. I guess it is the randomness of the number. So see MakeUMyWoman, I'm not an idiot. I got into one of the 357 best colleges in the nation, and graduated from there in 4 and 1/4 years. 49. Kit posted: 11.05.2008 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not many people like JPM and I doubt most fans pay attention to the average speed at a track. 50. Jeffrey posted: 11.06.2008 - 12:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit, my point is that it does not require much ability to outrace J.J. Yeley. To clarify my statement on David Gilliland he's NEVER belonged in Cup. The numbers on his driver page back that up. He has less top 5's than Joey Logano has Cup starts! Need I say more? 51. Dodge posted: 11.06.2008 - 8:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know about Petty and Irwin. Those two instances are different because the god damn acceleraltor hung on both of there cars. My opinion on the Gilliland thing is that it was wrong place, wrong time. As I said you you of the other drivers don't like bumping go to the Rolex Sports Car races. I am planning on turning the page now and getting ready for the next race unless I get verbally attacked again. 52. noel24 posted: 11.06.2008 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate juan pablo montoya and his nasty little attitude. Clint is getting on my nerves with his hurry away from camera during interviews attitude too. Anyone notice that? 53. Kit posted: 11.06.2008 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That didn't stop Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin from getting killed at that exact same track IN THE SAME YEAR!!" Quoted for truth. Dodge, I think he just killed your argument. Actually, DaleSrFanForever, I did pay for it. I had to work in commercial construction for over five years before I was even able to go to college. I didn't get offered a scholarship until I had the ability to get into college and pay for it on my own. It's amazing how we're both the same age and have the same background and probably abilities and grew up around NASCAR. I thought I was the only one like that. JPM and Harvick are pretty much two sides of the same coin except that Harvick doesn't destroy race cars very often. Doesn't he still have a no-DNF streak? "never has anyone mad at him is because when you race with awful drivers" Actually, most of the wrecks occur in the back of the pack around drivers like that. I wouldn't go as far as to say that Blaney is awful, he's just always ran in shit equipment. I never said I was born into a wealthy family. In fact, I'm from a working-class background. Racing doesn't take that much patience if you're willing to accept that you won't win right off the bat. It's exciting to work on your car during the week and make enough adjustments to have a career-best finish the next weekend. Hahaha, I've used a .357 Magnum a lot for deer. "Kit, my point is that it does not require much ability to outrace J.J. Yeley." Gilliand didn't just outrace Yeley, he outraced EVERY SINGLE DRIVER IN THAT RACE. It wasn't a race between Yeley and Gilliand only. 54. Anonymous posted: 11.06.2008 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good call Dodge, people should start acting like adult fans of the sport not like a couple of five year olds who scratched the others favorite hot wheels car. 55. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.06.2008 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Not many people like JPM and I doubt most fans pay attention to the average speed at a track. " yeah.. not many people who are stuck with stock car/NASCAR racing and have racist attitudes about Latinos in their beloved sport. The rest of us (who enjoy all forms of racing) like Juan in the mix because he adds a new element that was lacking. For one thing, F1 winner and a guy who took it to Shumacher on many occasions, a guy who has won 2 of the biggest if not THE biggest races in the world, and a guy who has the balls to try any form of racing instead of getting 'stuck' on a comfy little zone or one series like most people do. A rare racer. Guys like Mario Andretti and AJ Foyt are the same. The history books will prove me out and all of you who don't 'like him' because of his so-called attitude are really just racists and can't stand the thought of some NON-good-ole-boy in the series they grew up with. get over it. You also now have a black President so.. times change baby. Chill and enjoy the ride. The days of redneck racing are gone in a sport where commercial interests rule all other interests. A fact, good or bad but something to reckon with. Now, learn to enjoy a glass of wine once in a while instead of swilling crap like Bud all the time. LOL 56. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.06.2008 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Flamboyant MakeUMyWoman?? I am starting to get the feeling that Juan is your woman! " HAHAHAHA!!!! I get the same vibe from MakeUMyWoman. Somebody needs to tell him that Kevin Harvick, he of "redneck temper", is from CALIFORNIA!! Seriously though, that is very hypocritical. A temper is a temper. A more proper term for Juan and Kevin is "childish temper"." Not at all gay. I love MILF as much as the next guy. I also am a scientist. Genetic Engineer to be more specific. WOuld you like me to clone Dale Jr? LOL :) 57. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.06.2008 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I gotta give you all credit. You have been pretty good sports in all this 'jabbing'. W eall have our favorites in racing but let's be clear about one very obvious thing..... Racing drivers success is LARGELY due to the resources and talent of the team they drive for. You can't compare these guys as easily as you would like to. As much as NASCAR wants you to think there is parity between teams.. it's a myth. There is NO parity. Very far from it. Statistically speaking, the chances of the same guy winning a championhsip 3 years in a row is not likely out of 43+ guys UNLESS that guy has a clear advantage in team and/or equipment. Luck has some element to play in it but in THIS DAY and age with so much money on the line, money determines the outcome more than anything else (on average). You tell me why JJ wins so much at 'Lowes Motor Speedway'.. Oh.. I don't know what the chances are of the car bearing the sponsor or the track winning are but it can't be THAT good. (ie as good as JJ wins it so often) having said that, don't be surprised if the truth surfaces some day that there is an element of cheating 'allowed' for the sake of pleasing sponsors. A four-wheel wrestling event.. if you will. 58. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.06.2008 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kit, my point is that it does not require much ability to outrace J.J. Yeley."" I bet you it does on a dirt track. 59. Willy on Wheels posted: 11.06.2008 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gilliland didnt just race Yeley, but also Kevin Harvick, Greg Biffle, Carl Edwards, Clint Bowyer, Denny Hamlin, Kyle busch just to name a few 60. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.06.2008 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It doesn't matter how it happened, those two got killed at that exact track, so the possibility of fatal danger lurks, just like it does at Texas. You can disagree with what Gilliland did, but you can't portray Juan as the innocent undeserving victim. Noel, I've also noticed that with Clint, but I think it is just the pressure getting to him. I think he feels like he needs to win more Nationwide races, and for good reason. His Nationwide championship is shaping up to be one of the weakest ever. By having only one win, in the rain shortened Bristol race when it looked like Kasey was just about to pass him, while driving for a Cup team in a season that features very few experienced Cup drivers running for that championship, it has to be one of the least impressive championship seasons I can remember. Let's face it, it they had given Carl his current crew chief at the beginning of the season he probably would have clinched the championship already. Hell, even Kesolowski, with no Cup experience, gave him a scare. This one will be forgotten pretty quickly. 61. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.06.2008 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hahaha, I've used a .357 Magnum a lot for deer. Haha. I'm just trying to figure out how they came up with that number. Did they draw numbers out of a hat? Is it an inside joke? I went to its wikipedia page to see if it had any honors (the second best bargain in the country) and saw that it was one of the 357 best, and I busted out laughing. 62. Kit posted: 11.07.2008 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, we're all acting like five-year-olds because we're having a rational discussion over an on-track altercation. Sure, sure. Was it ever even proven that Petty died due to a stuck throttle? I read somewhere that it was only a theory. 63. Anonymous posted: 11.07.2008 - 8:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes Kit how did a racing conversation turn into a headbutting contest over who went to the best college!! Sounds very rational. Who gives a damn if you went to a great college it doesn't make you look like any less of a huge jackass on here. Get over yourself kid. 64. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.07.2008 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I am a racist, then how come I can't stand Brian Vickers? He grew up in Thomasville, NC which is just 20 minutes from where I live. I have applied for jobs over there. Like me, he has a southern accent. Wouldn't I pull for him? And how come I don't pull for Dale Jr either. He is the "face of the rednecks". My favorite drivers are Martin Truex from New Jersey and Matt Kenseth from Wisconsin. So the "good ol boy" argument is weaker than a 2007 DEI engine. And if we in the south are all racists, how come Obama won North Carolina? That is the first time NC has gone blue since the 80's. We voted for Bob Freaking Dole once. So to give up our "red" mentality for that says something. Your argument has more holes in it than a 2007 DEI eng... wait, I already used that joke. "Racing drivers success is LARGELY due to the resources and talent of the team they drive for. " Well there goes your "Juan is a legend" argument. His CART championship came with Ganassi which had won the previous two championships with Zanardi. His Indy 500 win came with Ganassi, who also won this year's Indy 500. His 24 hours of Daytona came with Ganassi who has won 3 straight there. And he drove his last two years in F1 for McLaren, doing horribly. McLaren has won 12 drivers championships including this year. So he has always had good equipment for his "big wins". (I had to look all that up, I don't care about F1, CART, IRL, Trans Am, Grand Am, Pan Am, or any of that crap.) So although I disagree with that argument, if that is your argument, then you disproved yourself. 65. noel24 posted: 11.07.2008 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Couldnt have said it any better myself dalesrfanforever great points. 66. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.07.2008 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale.. dear old Dale.. The racism comment was simply a way to get under your skin. Which is clearly has :) It does, however apply to many a good-ol-boys. You know it's fact. How many times have you heard some one say "Got dam Montoya... Dam Mexicans!". ROFLMAO! Congrats.. I like Matt too. I am from Wisc originally. Yes.. JPM had good equipment but not the best. Hendrick IS the best team bar none. Good equipment is one thing.. utter domination is another. We all know Hendrick has dominated apart from Kyle's spurt of wins. Try a little harder next time Sassy ;) 67. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.07.2008 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And to correct you: "His CART championship came with Ganassi which had won the previous two championships with Zanardi" That would be 1996 as well with Jimmy Vasser ;) You just don't like Juan.. go ahead and admit that but also admit that the guy has a serious racing resume despite his lack of results in NASCAR thus far. You know I am right about the lack of parity in NASCAR too. Another thing.. old guys can race in NASCAR but not in open wheel stuff because of the cat-like reflexes required to drive CART, IRL, etc.. I mean.. could Dick Trickle even do a lap at Road America in a 900+BHP Champcar? LOL!! He would die of old age or a heart attack first. He would soil himself if he sat in an F1 car. 68. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.07.2008 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We voted for Bob Freaking Dole once. So to give up our "red" mentality for that says something. Your argument has more holes in it than a 2007 DEI eng... wait, I already used that joke." Gone and turned all liberal and metrosexual huh? You do know that Dale Sr would spin over in his grave if he knew you said that right? He would be hard core Republican bro. Not a fan of Jr but a huge Sr fan? To use the words of a Charleston Housewife "I do declare!". That is some kind of diametric opposition to the norm. I applaud you for that sir. As much as we tend to butt heads over one driver. I do like your spunk! :) 69. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.07.2008 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You didn't get under my skin, I was just discussing a topic that I thought you were serious about. If you were under my skin, I would have cursed a lot and used a lot of CAPITAL LETTERS and exclamation points. I didn't know you were just being a troll. "You just don't like Juan.. go ahead and admit that" ummmmm..... Didn't I just spend the last week establishing that? I don't see how I could have been any clearer than I have been. And yes I know he has an impressive resume... in open wheel racing. I don't care anything about F1, IndyCar Racing, or even the Indy 500. That is totally different than stock car racing. That would be like Barry Bonds joining a football team and someone demanding that other football fans respect him as a football player because he hit so many home runs. Impressive? Yes. Does it make a damn in football? No. Same deal here. Your argument blows up like a 1994 Geoff Bodine engine. And old people don't compete in open wheel racing because they usually get killed before they reach old age, or decide they have tempted fate long enough and retire early. I know NASCAR once lost four people (including Dale Sr) in a little over a year, but there have been that many people lost in single open wheel events (the 1973 Indy 500 I think). 70. 18fan posted: 11.08.2008 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl had the best car until nightfall. Kyle out drove him until Dumbass Hamlin blocked Kyle. McMurray had a better car than Carl Suckass. There is no way he could have gone 13 laps farther than the 16,17,and 26. He did not start saving fuel until 9 to go. 71. noel24 posted: 11.08.2008 - 4:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) makeumywoman, montoya sucks, its just that simple. Just like his sack of ass attitude and "scarface" like commercials. Face it, his resume means absolutely nothing in nascar. Juan is just a playing card in nascar anyways, just there to "try" and attract different cultures of fans or whatever, only to watch him,and only him,wreck every damn weekend. Whats that you say? the infineon win? check back in a few years, see how far that will get him. My point: montoya sucks, live with it. 72. Jeffrey posted: 11.08.2008 - 8:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My point Kit & Willy is that had it been the likes of Edwards, Ky. Busch, Harvick or pretty much anyone else he was racing with he would not have won. 73. Kit posted: 11.09.2008 - 3:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeffrey, both Carl Edwards and Kyle Busch were in the Busch race that Gilliand won. 74. Kit posted: 11.09.2008 - 3:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not even someone good like Ayrton Senna could survive open wheel. Robby Gordon has stated in the past that he came to NASCAR because it's a lot safer. 75. petty43 posted: 11.09.2008 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) what i find interesting about montoya and all the other open wheel guys is that they WANT to race nascar, because even they know it is the best RACING. 10 years ago none of the open wheels drivers gave nascar a second thought, and for 40 years indy was closed to nascar, now it needs it to survive. open wheel racing is no longer capturing fans attention like it once did. I remember when indy racing got the same coverage as football. open wheel racing has gone the way of boxing as a sport in america. And the Good drivers are now in nascar because they want to feel important and that has created controversary among nascar fans. i dont like montoya, but as a fan of nascar i am honored that he and other champion open wheel stars just want to race here in nascar. i think it is the ultimate jab in the open wheel fans side. i mean when was the last time a prominent nascar driver left for say f1 or irl, never. jeff gordon actually grew up wanting to race indy and now he could care less. the drivers now where the best racing is. i do think that nascar should have a short season for inexperienced drivers and newcomers only. it would be a requirement for guys like montoya to run say 20 of these races before letting them "sit at the big table". the cars would be cot and the races 500 miles, and probably only 2 guys would finish each race, the races would be boring, but least their mistakes would only screw up their own cars and not the cars of the good drivers. 76. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.09.2008 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BTW... Robby Gordon was crap in CART. A good driver but no results. Of course he left and had to have an excuse. 77. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.10.2008 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "what i find interesting about montoya and all the other open wheel guys is that they WANT to race nascar, because even they know it is the best RACING" Um. yeah.. that's why the same guy wins 3 championships in a row.. yeah.. real nail biter. These guy know there is easy money in NASCAR and that an old man could do it. It's much less cut throat than open wheel and it much more relaxed. "i mean when was the last time a prominent nascar driver left for say f1 or irl," Because there are NONE that could cut it in F1 for one thing and having 2 road courses a year does not a road racing expert make. Even for Gordo or Stewart. They would get their butts handed to them by road racers. 78. petty43 posted: 11.10.2008 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) yea cuz ryan hunter ray and danica are so good, or maybe you like the f1 dorks whose cars drive themselves, get off this site if you dont like nascar. go find "10 million dollar go-kart racinginfo racing.info" f1 is so hard and challenging that a 22 year old kid can own a bunch of more experienced and better drivers because his team spends 7 million on one race, and he only won that championship because that other loser let him pass him on the last lap for 5th place. i mean he is only a second year driver and he is the champ. that is some steep learning curve there you have. it took jeff gordon 3 seasons to win a cup and that was when nascar was way less competitive. enough time wasted on your post. 79. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.11.2008 - 8:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seriously Bro, The attitude doesn't become you. "yea cuz ryan hunter ray and danica are so good, or maybe you like the f1 dorks whose cars drive themselves," R U really insane? Those cars HAD plenty of driver's aids but they hardly drove themselves. Do you have ANY ides how fast those things accelerate, corner and brake? Ryand and Danica are 'good' but not good enough to amount to a hill of beans. I like NASCAR (to a much lesser extent) than open wheel because it has become a snoozefest. JJ winning 3 champs in a row.. yeah.. parity my lilly white azz. based on your name... you should know that the good old days of Richard (The King) Petty were the good times and now NASCAR has become nothing more than a wrestling match on wheels set up for the fans by huge commercial interests. Shameful, crass advertising tool used to get idiots to buy more Bud and use Gillette razors. 80. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.11.2008 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is only the second time in 61 years of NASCAR racing that a three-peat has happened. In F1 they have had a FOUR-peat once and then Shumacker did a FIVE-peat. (Again, I had to look that up). Another thing, NASCAR's oldest champion was 45 years old (Bobby Allison). F1's oldest was 46 years old. So there goes that argument. Plus ten different F1 drivers won championships after their 35th birthday, so it can't be that bad. Oh and one other thing, CART, which only ran from 1979 to 2007 also had a FOUR-peat. 81. petty43 posted: 11.11.2008 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i am a fan of the past history of nascar as well, but your claim that it is now like pro wrestling is far dumber than anything i posted. I am not insane, in fact i would argue YOUR rationalization might be though. if it is so hard to drive those really fast accelerating and handle those "trickky" open wheel cars, than why cant sam hornish jr, juan pablow, jacques, dario, aj, or scot speed handle these big, dumb, slow stock cars!!!!! because they cannot DRIVE a race car, all they can do is press go and hope the downforce keeps them in the racing grove, well what do you know that dont work with 3400 pound stock cars that have NO driver aids and are as aero clean as my house. nascar even gave them a wing and they still suck. Tony is the only driver to suceed in the transition and he only spent like 2 years in open wheel before he realized that he could enjoy stock cars much more. also jj winning 3 in a row is way better than michael schumaker and ferrari winning every freaking year. whoever is in the ferraris and mcClarens will win next year and whoever is in a chip gannassi car or penske car will win in irl, and whoever drives for roush hendrick and gibbs will win in nascar so your parity point is pretty much the same for everything. Nascar features the best racing and drivers period. i have watched f1 races that have featured no lead changes and were decided at the drop of the flag. And IRL has like 3 good drivers right now plus they are running so much downforce on the ovals that it is like having 15 restricter plate races a year. and both series feature 150 mile and 200 mile races which are far less demanding on the drivers and equipment than 500 milers, that is something that many racing fans have lost sight of who want shorter races. part of the challenge is to race 500 miles. when they invent a racing series that features 500 mile races, different champs every year, 20 different race winners a season, and the best racing ever let me know until then nascar still comes far closer to that than anyone else period. 82. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.12.2008 - 9:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You don't have to tell me about the number of repeat champs in open wheel. It's a snoozefest as well. I moaned and whined as much as anyone about Shumacher although I was 'pullin for' Bourdias because he was good and I liked seeing Paul Tracy squirm. BUT.. those guys have about 1/2 the number of competitors in the championship compared to (22-ish compared to 43-ish) NASCAR. So, factoring that in and the fact that NASCAR is SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PARITY.. I call BS and will up the ante by saying it's total BS. 83. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.12.2008 - 9:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "than why cant sam hornish jr, juan pablow, jacques, dario, aj, or scot speed handle these big, dumb, slow stock cars!!!!! because they cannot DRIVE a race car, all they can do is press go and hope the downforce keeps them in the racing grove, well what do you know that dont work with 3400 pound stock cars that have NO driver aids and are as aero clean as my house. nascar even gave them a wing and they still suck." Totally flawed SassyMcDougal. You put a typical NASCAR driver into a high-end open wheeler on a ROAD COURSE and you will see... You see... ovals are ,in fact, more about the car and the car setup than anything the driver does. That's why the 2 road courses you have separate the men from the boys. Even tho JPM had a bad year even on the road courses.. he was still in contention and he DID win 2 road races his first try in stock cars. Have a nice day. Don't EVEN give me crap about Scott Pruett. We all know that's BS. 84. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.12.2008 - 9:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For all of you "NASCAR is the BEST" people. Lead changes don't an exciting race make. ON OVALS. We are talking about very different types of racing. And BTW.. there are a lot of lead changes on ovals in the IRL. And BTW.. the finishes are CLOSER than any NASCAR race.(on a frequent basis I might add) So, stop making weak arguments about why NASCAR is go much better than ANYTHING. What a crock. No wonder Europe thinks we are all rednecks. You people have no open mind. I told you from the start.. I LIKE NASCAR racing because I like ALL forms of racing. It's different than open wheel like Rally is different from NASCAR. Learn to broaden your horizons instead of being stuck in the little commercial world of stock car racing. Go have another 'Bud' and chill. LOL 85. petty43 posted: 11.12.2008 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) like i care what europe thinks, maybe i would enjoy f1 more if it featured one american team driver or auto maker, i guess that is why i dont like soccer either, owell, nhra is great by the way and what tony schumaker and his team did is really great, right up there with any great season in racing history. i dont know if i think nascar is always the best, but it gives me the closest thing to what i like, rally racing is probably the best pure racing there is and btw i like irl, i just think it has become like hockey in america, i dont think nascar really tries to sell it "parity" as you put it, that is more an nfl thing. lead changes do make for better racing, trust me i think most race fans cheer loudest for wrecks and lead changes. irl has many great finishes but the best finishes are all from nascar. they are the only ones that can beat and bang ALL THE WAY HOME and it makes a close finish that much better, we just have not seen as many lately. which reminds me of another opinion of mine. I think the reason so many nascar fans are angry about nascar now has to do with the fact that for so many years, nascar gave them just what they were looking for. great points battles lots of great races, and a ton of likable drivers and not many who were dislikable. some of that was beyond nascars control like it is now. but everyone blames so much of it on the chase and jj and kyle, and really i think they are just upset that nascar is not as great as it was 10 years ago, but I still feel that it is good racing but i would like to see it get better too. o well enough time wasted. btw i am an avid fan of ALL sports baseball being number 1 as well as many other things that do not need to be discussed here. i dont drink bud and who said i was upset and needed to chill. i feel great that jj is about to win another cup and chevy has that manufacters title wrapped up. i think i am the only fan who cares about that thing but o well. 86. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.12.2008 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No wonder Europe thinks we are all rednecks." Who cares what Europe thinks? They think they are better than us, but they really aren't. First of all, they only bathe like once a week over there. And more importantly, hitting back on your racism point, they are the most racist people on the face of the Earth. One of the Spanish soccer teams is gonna have to play some of their home games in front of an empty stadium because of excessively racist behavior. I saw a report on TV about this once, and everytime a black player touches the ball, the ENTIRE stadium makes monkey noises and some people throw bananas on the field. Over here in America we just elected a black president. So screw Europe. They need us a lot more than we need them. "Learn to broaden your horizons instead of being stuck in the little commercial world of stock car racing." So if we don't like open wheel racing we are closed minded? I like NASCAR, the NFL, college basketball, college football, and baseball. Pretty damn open minded if I may say so myself. Just because I don't like everything doesn't mean I'm closed minded. I just know what I like and what I don't. I don't like hockey, open wheel racing, soccer, cricket, or any European sport. "You see... ovals are ,in fact, more about the car and the car setup than anything the driver does." Yeah, you don't need a good driver to win at Bristol, Darlington, or Martinsville. 87. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.13.2008 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "they are the only ones that can beat and bang ALL THE WAY HOME " Oh I see... so running into other people makes a great racer? LOL!! Can't get away with that crap in open wheel 88. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.13.2008 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, you don't need a good driver to win at Bristol, Darlington, or Martinsville. " Is that all you have? Thats still car setup and most of it is luck. 89. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.13.2008 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but everyone blames so much of it on the chase and jj and kyle, and really i think they are just upset that nascar is not as great as it was 10 years ago" BINGO! Well, that and the fact that it's all about the buck now. Commercialism to the extreme. Sad... 90. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.13.2008 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Europe is a big place with lots of different cultures... Those are pretty big generalizations about them. Italy rules, France... not so much. LOL 91. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.13.2008 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's been a blast chatting with you guys. Like I said.. I like NASCAR (to a MUCH lesser extent than years ago) but I still partake in a race now and then.. And so I enjoy open wheel as well.. I just prefer Road Racing more than anything and if NASCAR did more of that I would be a happy man. Well, that and if they had a naked photo of some hot chick all every car. 92. petty43 posted: 11.14.2008 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) to each their own. i prefer oval racingbut i can see the appeal of road course racing to the fan who enjoys pit strategy and track position decisions, i think crew chiefs play a larger role in the road course type racing, but certainly the driver has his hands full and mind as well. especially in those big cup cars which are not the best vehicle to road race. o and winning at darlington has far less to do with luck, than most tracks, hell you have to be in postion after 475 miles just to have luck work for you in winning just about any 500 mile/lap race. 93. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.14.2008 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look at the #18 team. They were pathetic the last two years with JJ Yeley who never adapted his driving to stock cars. They put Kyle Busch in that car this year, without changing crew chiefs or key crew members, and they won eight times. That shows you what the driver means in NASCAR. They don't have all the driver aids open wheel racing has. Would you rather drive a big blocky car with relatively tiny wheels and no traction control or electronic telemetric aids or a sleek tiny bullet with huge wheels and traction control and telemetry to tell the crews in the pits tire temperatures to show whether it is pushing or loose and show how much fuel has been used. The open wheel cars are easier. This isn't F1 where whoever gets in a Ferrari or McLaren kicks ass. 94. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.16.2008 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) We can just agree to disagree. Open wheel racing has been around longer than Stock cars and has a wider appeal world wide. I like the telemetry and all that jazz. Don't like traction control however. These cars take cat-like relfexes to drive sticky,aerodynamically bada$$ or not and they offer a level of high tech fun I enjoy. Stock cars are a different animal. I like all racing and just happen to prefer one over the other.. At least my options are open and I enjoy them all. I shall watch today's race and hope JJ hits the wall and Carl pulls a miracle. THEN I will have had a great day. Seeing JJ win another one 95. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.16.2008 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This isn't F1 where whoever gets in a Ferrari or McLaren kicks ass" That has not always been the case. Williams has had it's share of championships and some other older days teams did as well. Let's face facts.. almost ALL racing series have their dynasties. You can't tell me that the Hendrick, Gibbs, Roush dominance is any different than the Ferrari mac one. 96. MakeUMyWoman posted: 11.16.2008 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, another JJ championship. Maybe next year someone beside Carl, Jimmy or Kyle will win some friggin' races. Parity my buttocks 97. RaceFanX posted: 03.17.2009 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last race for the famous #22 Caterpillar car. They were leaving Bill Davis Racing at the end of the year and left early following this race. It was the end of a combination that had lasted since 1999. Bill Davis Racing closed before the start of the 2009 season. 98. RaceFanX posted: 04.27.2009 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad Keselowski's best career Cup finish until his upset win at Talladega the next year 99. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 04.13.2011 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bryan Clauson failed to qualify for what would have been his first and only career Cup start. 100. CBASS posted: 01.28.2013 - 7:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #8 U.S. Army/ Vault #40 Guitar Hero: World Tour/ Target #10 Country Crock #19 Stanley Proto #96 DLP HDTV/ CompUSA.com #31 AT&T #41 Target/ Polaroid #01 Dale Earnhardt Inc./ Principal #26 Crown Royal presents the Your Name Here 400 #16 3M/ MSC Equipment Co. #45 Richard Petty Driving Experience/ Garmin http://archives.ciastockphoto.com/cgi/images.php?group=w0838 http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/photos/main-gallery/?s=5&y=2008&r=3223 101. Spen posted: 07.30.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lousy day for Dodge. Hornish was the top finisher in 23rd. 102. The Terminator posted: 02.24.2014 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't stand Montoya,but David Gilliland was a d-bag for doing that. 103. edwards19 posted: 12.12.2014 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) brad k's first cup start and he was sideways practically the whole race. definitely a sign of things to come for the future though! 104. chevyfan98 posted: 08.08.2016 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Final of three cup races in late 2008 where Bryan Clauson attemped to qualify the #40 for Ganassi. He didn't qualify for any of them, but this was really his only actual DNQ, since qualifying was rained out in the other two. I also believe this is the most recent time Ganassi has used the #40. 105. NazRacePhan posted: 10.22.2019 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lucky Dogs - Who got a lap back on each caution at Texas: (and their finish) Caution 1: #25-Keselowski, 19th Caution 2: #20-Stewart, 16th Caution 3: #31-Burton, 13th Caution 4: #8-Martin, 12th Caution 5: #24-Gordon, 2nd 106. Rich posted: 12.20.2020 - 5:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dr. Jerry Punch, Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett were the commentators. Jamie Little, Dave Burns, Shannon Spake and Mike Massaro were the pit road reporters. Tim Brewer was at the Chevy cut-away car. Allen Bestwick, Brad Daugherty and Rusty Wallace were in the ESPN pit studio. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: