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  1.   jr88fan posted:
  07.26.2009 - 6:39 pm
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YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love these close races!!


  2.   jr88fan posted:
  07.26.2009 - 6:40 pm
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However, I was mad when Jr. blew up


  3.   John posted:
  07.26.2009 - 6:41 pm
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I must say this race was probably the most boring I have ever watched,

Tough break for Jr and i mean really awful break for him, running strong
but engine failed :(

Good to see Juan Pablo running really good but this race just flat out blew.


  4.   jr88fan posted:
  07.26.2009 - 6:53 pm
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I must say this race was probably the most boring I have ever watched
John | Email | 07.26.09 - 6:41 pm

not at the end!!!


  5.   dUDE gUY posted:
  07.26.2009 - 6:55 pm
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The only good thing I have to say about this race is that the tires held
up exceptionally well. Other than that it was a boring, tedious
snooze-fest, and Hendrick wins yet another race someone else should
have. Yay.


  6.   DieselDan posted:
  07.26.2009 - 7:16 pm
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Just about every NASCAR race at this track has been boring.


  7.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
  07.26.2009 - 7:31 pm
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Martin-Johnson should of been Irvin-Gordon 94 or Petty-Waltrip at
Darlington.

But sadly it wasn't, as the COT, after years of research by NASCAR,
didn't do what is was suspose to do: solve the problem of aero push.

great job Brian France! NOT

we also learned something today:

the "Hendrick" card trumps the "drive to diversity poster boy" card in
Brian France's deck


  8.   Neal posted:
  07.26.2009 - 7:50 pm
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The Brickyard 400 is rarely ever exciting...the new car makes it even
less so.

The first 125 laps of this race were completely unremarkable. You could
have run them under caution and it would have been more exciting.

Flat Track + stock car = boring race.

Flat Track + COT = slit my wrists now and save me the agony.


  9.   Anonymous posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:10 pm
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"Flat Track + stock car = boring race."

uh, no. maybe a flat extremely fast track, yes.


  10.   WallaceFan posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:12 pm
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Juan Pablo DOMINATES the first 120 laps of the race, and then is caught
for speeding.
He remarked that he was going to "kill nascar" (either the sport, or he
thinks nascar is a person), and he also swore on his wife and his kids
that he wasnt speeding....pretty convincing.
Im a huge JP fan and he definatley deserved to win this one...maybe
nascar would have rather seen Mark Martin in victory lane? In the end
Mark got beat too.


  11.   Neal posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:20 pm
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"uh, no. maybe a flat extremely fast track, yes."

The ONLY flat track in NASCAR worth a damn is Martinsville. Michigan,
Fontana, Gateway, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Indy are all boring.


  12.   Neal posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:22 pm
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Oh wait...forgot about the Mundane Mile in Loudon.


  13.   Neal posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:26 pm
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WallaceFan - Petree et. al. commented on how the speed traps are
electronic (and automated). Nice try, though. Wrecktoya got caught
speeding.


  14.   Red posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:26 pm
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Well, there's 3 hours of my life I'll never get back. There was no
passing in this race, except for the first lap after the restarts.
Montoya absolutely dominated, but once he got back in traffic, he
couldn't pass anyone. I knew as soon as Jimmie passed Mark on the final
restart, the race was over. The COT is a joke.

Why can't the Cup guys race at ORP instead? There's more action in one
lap there than in 400 miles at the Brickyard.


  15.   Josh posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:35 pm
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JP Montoya got screwed by Hendrick Motorsports and the "legendary"
Jimmie Johnson. Funny how Jimmie didn't have the car to catch him and JP
just happened to get caught speeding and NASCAR's boy Jimmie wins again.
This is pathetic. I am so sick of NASCAR taking care of that piece of
crap Johnson. Brian France and Mike Helton are a couple of (darn) cheats
that really need to be investigated and see if Rick isn't paying them
off to help Jimmie win. Either that or NASCAR is rigged altogether. I
have thought this for years and if this (crap) continues to happen, they
are going to lose a dedicated fan because I have better things to do
with my time than to watch drivers get screwed over by one of the
biggest pieces of crap in NASCAR!


  16.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:46 pm
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Well, GoodYear solved the tire problem, but they couldn't solve the
biggest issue plaguing NASCAR, nobody can pass. It was ridiculous.
Congrats to Brett Bodine and Brainless Brian for making the competition
in NASCAR even WORSE than before.

In all fairness though, the first Brickyard 400 was the only good race
NASCAR has ever had there. The (comparitively) boxy chevy Luminas and
Ford T-Birds put on an awesome show with two ultra talented drivers in
Jeff Gordon and Ernie Irvan. One year later Chevy had the new, missle
shaped Monte Carlo and Ford had a redesigned nose and it has been crap
ever since. Just like this race, a slower car (Earnhardt in '95, Johnson
this year) gets out front in clean air and can't be touched by faster
cars. But the COT is even worse.

"Im a huge JP fan and he definatley deserved to win this one...maybe
nascar would have rather seen Mark Martin in victory lane?"

Are you kidding me? NASCAR had to be salivating over the idea of having
a Latino win their second biggest race. With them being widely
criticized for their lack of diversity, that would have been great
publicity. Mark Martin has already won 4 times, they don't NEED him to
win any more from a marketing standpoint, he is already leading the
circuit in wins at age 50. That story is set.


  17.   Kit posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:47 pm
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"Juan Pablo DOMINATES the first 120 laps of the race, and then is caught
for speeding.
He remarked that he was going to "kill nascar" (either the sport, or he
thinks nascar is a person), and he also swore on his wife and his kids
that he wasnt speeding....pretty convincing."

I've had a dog with more brains than JPM.


  18.   Neal posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:49 pm
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"Why can't the Cup guys race at ORP instead? There's more action in one
lap there than in 400 miles at the Brickyard."

Amen to that. I don't understand how people can claim this is the 2nd
biggest race after the Daytona 500. The track may be prestigious but the
race is pathetic.

To me the "Southern" 500 and the Sharpie 500 are bigger.


  19.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:50 pm
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By the way, Mark was way too conservative on that last restart. On the
Chicago page, I argued a little bit saying that Mark is aggressive when
the time calls for it. I was WRONG. You guys were right. He should have
more wins.


  20.   Willy on Wheels posted:
  07.26.2009 - 8:50 pm
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They penalized Juan so a Hendrick car would win


  21.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
  07.26.2009 - 9:09 pm
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"NASCAR had to be salivating over the idea of having a Latino win their
second biggest race"

funny you say that, before the pit stop was made I actually made the
comment to the person I was watching the race with that the 42 could
have every piece of equipment go out the pit box and Juan could go 150
out of the pits and wouldn't get called for crap because NASCAR would
love to have a hispanic driver win the Brickyard

I forgot 2 Hendrick cars were behind him


  22.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
  07.26.2009 - 9:13 pm
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oh by the way,

great job ESPN

why would I want to see the pass for the win when I could have 20th
through 30th place blow by my TV screen and hear 30 spotters talk
gibberish at the same time?


  23.   Team Gordon posted:
  07.26.2009 - 9:16 pm
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JP Montoya had them covered. I guess he hasn't kissed up to na$car
enough yet like the "clone" johnson. Maybe once he sells out na$car will
gift wrap a race for him!


  24.   Kit posted:
  07.26.2009 - 9:33 pm
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"You guys were right. He should have more wins."

Why thank you! He should have been able to win this race. Yet he didn't.
I can't really follow a guy who's that timid, regardless of the fact
that he's still won almost 40 races.

For the most part, it's pretty much his own damn fault he never won a
championship.


  25.   Anonymous posted:
  07.26.2009 - 9:42 pm
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I am sure Nascar didn't fix the race, so a Hendrick car would win. Juan
beat himself.

I am saying that because they need Montoya to win for the following reasons:

1.) Nascar could say that their "diversity program" works.

2.) Montoya winning the 400 would mean Latinos could go to races or
watch television to boost rates or race track attendance. Nascar's
television ratings have been doing down for the last couple years.

3.) Nascar is hurting for popularity since "Junior Nation" is starting
to stop watching races on television or attending cup races because Dale
Jr is struggling or Jr won only 3 points races since 2005 on the cup level.

4.)Montoya has a pretty good racing resume for Nascar not fix the race
for Hendrick despite having only 1 cup win. Montoya has 7 F1 wins
including Monaco Grand Prix, 10 Cart wins including 1999 Championship,
and 2000 Indy 500 winner.

That Resume of Montoya's wasn't weaker than Kevin Harvick's resume in
racing was before winning the 2003 Brickyard 400 or Jeff Gordon's was in
1994.


  26.   Mike posted:
  07.26.2009 - 9:50 pm
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Looks like all of the conspiracy theorist are out in full force. The
only logical explanation I have is a technical error, but other than
that Montoya was caught speeding and he screwed himself out of winning
the race. Simple as that.

The so called greatest driver in NASCAR (Kyle Busch) is now outside the
chase in 14th. With the way he's been running I doubt he makes it.


  27.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.26.2009 - 10:07 pm
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"To me the "Southern" 500 and the Sharpie 500 are bigger."

I agree. IMS is an open wheel race track. Stock cars still seem out of
place even 16 years later. It is like watching the old footage of
football being played at Yankee Stadium, it is just awkward. As far as
the "history" and "prestige", I just don't buy it. I respect what IMS
has meant to American auto racing, but I get way more pumped for a race
at Darlington.

"Why thank you! He should have been able to win this race. Yet he didn't."

Hey, I can admit when I'm wrong. Watching Mark creep up on the 1st turn
on that last restart made me want to claw my eyes out. Mark has great
car control, go get 'em man!! If he'd have driven harder, he could have
held the inside line, got the out front in clean air, and driven away.

"I've had a dog with more brains than JPM."

Ain't that the truth!! He had a 5 second lead and could pull away at
will. Nobody had anything for him. Why would you push it on the last
stop? He got busted in TWO of the scoring zones. Dumbass.


  28.   Baker posted:
  07.26.2009 - 10:25 pm
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Nascar does it again. They just rapped Montoya of a victory. He was
clearly the best car and did not speed on pit road. Funny how those
hendrick cars never have those problems yet they're always passing
people in the pits...driving on pit lane, not just the crews getting it
done. Nascar has been rigged for years and Hendrick is clearly been in
the back pocket of the France family for years. It's getting old. I hope
to God something changes or Nascar completely folds.

Joey Logano was bad fast too. I bet if he could have made a pit call to
gain track position he would have been a treat to win a legit race. Once
he has the COT down like he has the Nationwide car figured out then
lights out....Oh wait he doesn't drive for Hendrick, so they'll figure
out ways to keep him down.


  29.   Anonymous posted:
  07.26.2009 - 10:35 pm
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I forgot another reason why Nascar would fix the race. Here it is:

5.) Brian France isn't big on Jimmie Johnson because he think Jimmie is
bad for "business" for Nascar.

My proof is is
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_bowles/12/04/jimmie/index.html

France wants a driver like Kyle Busch to win a championship because he
thinks drivers that show emotions brings fans to the stands and people
to watch Nascar races on Television. That means France probably wants a
driver to win the Brickyard 400 that has emotion.


  30.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
  07.26.2009 - 10:58 pm
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I was thinking, maybe we are all thinking of this wrong.

Sure NASCAR in public talks about the "drive for diversity", but lets
face it, a lot of good ol boys still run the show (Helton, Hunter, Darby).

who can forget all the times open wheel stars like Dan Gurney and
Parnelli Jones would crush the NASCAR drivers at Riverside and the good
ol boys at NASCAR would make some bull crap call against them to prevent it

and do I need to even mention all the racist bull crap Wendell Scott had
to go through?

Maybe the good ol boys up in the control tower didn't like the idea of a
minority open wheel driver winning NASCAR's 2nd biggest race of the year


  31.   Brett posted:
  07.26.2009 - 11:04 pm
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Montoya was screwed out of this win i believe.


  32.   18fan posted:
  07.26.2009 - 11:18 pm
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Mike, I am a Kyle fan, but I agree with you. Kyle has been grossly
inconsistent this year, even more so than his rookie season. Jimmie
Johnson wins yet another race that falls right into his lap. Mark should
have learned from the restart on the fifth lap when Montoya pinched him
down. Jimmie did the same thing. Can someone explain why they can't race
at probably the best short track after they remodeled Bristol(It sucks
now.) and have to race at an open wheel track. Las Vegas was a snooze
fest track until they rebanked it. GIVE ORP THE BRICKYARD'S CUP DATE.
Kyle needs a good finish. At least he has promised to be a better leader
and not be so rejecting with the media.


  33.   Kit posted:
  07.26.2009 - 11:37 pm
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"That Resume of Montoya's wasn't weaker than Kevin Harvick's resume in
racing was before winning the 2003 Brickyard 400 or Jeff Gordon's was in
1994."

I keep seeing this argument on this web site over and over again. Let's
go over this again: open wheel success does not mean jack shit in
NASCAR. I don't care what JPM did in Cart. I don't care how many races
he has won in a pointy car. I don't care how many Pinewood Derby races
he has won as an owner/driver. With the exception of a few skills that
carry over (being used to handing a car going 180+ m.p.h., knowing how
to drive a standard), stock car racing and open wheel racing are
mutually exclusive.

It doesn't matter how Montoya's open wheel resume compares to Jeff
Gordon's resume before 1994. What matters now is how their resumes in
NASCAR and in stock car racing look.

I don't think Montoya's as good of a stock car driver as some of you
have give him credit for. Sure, he has had quite a few 8th to 10th place
finishes this season. But he doesn't seem to know how to push himself to
a top five finish or has the racing smarts to take a good car to a great
finish (like Kahne can do). Right now, all JPM has done is shown that he
can float in a sink or swim situation.

Today was a good example of his limitations, limitations which I think
will always keep him as a mid-pack driver.


  34.   Bronco posted:
  07.27.2009 - 1:19 am
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Terrible race, and it sort of carries the theme of disappointment
showcased in the other two crown jewel races (Daytona 500 and Coke 600).
Montoya's car kicked butt out front, and then he had to struggle just to
finish 11th in traffic. It was a huge heartbreaker for him, but he
shouldn't have been speeding I guess.

Harvick gets his first top 10 since Atlanta in March. Dale Jr FINALLY
qualifies in the top 10, only to have it all go away in smoke
(literally). Whole Wheat Bread did a nice job coming up from last to
12th. Awesome Bill started 4th but didn't get the finish he deserved.
Terry Labonte makes a race for the second time this year using a
champion's provisional with an uncompetitive team. David Stremme managed
to finish a race on the lead lap without crashing himself or someone else.


  35.   stewart14fan posted:
  07.27.2009 - 2:34 am
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like juan said, thank you nascar for screwing my day, nascar needs to
stop handing out ridiculous speeding penalties and focus on catching
cheaters like chad knaus and rick hendrick. Brain France and Mike Helton
need to be removed, period


  36.   petty43 posted:
  07.27.2009 - 7:57 am
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dsff i wrote this over on the pepsi 400 page but i thought you still
might like to read it.


dsff just for your consideration i want to tell you something sbout that
1990 title that earnhardt won by 30 or 40 points over mark, you probably
knew this but maybe not so here goes.

all everyone remembers about that 1990 cup chase is that mark lost 46
points on a penalty real early in the year, i think at rockingham, now i
am really testing my memory here.

what many fans may not know is that mark still lead the points after
nearly every race for much of that season, but down the stretch the
intimidator caught him. in an effort to be prepared to race for the
title at atlanta, which was then the final race, roush and mark tested 6
cars SIX at atlanta, and they did not like any, so they panicked and
instead borrowed a car from the yates 28 team of davey allison. back
then ford actually cared about trying to win in nascar, or least they
did that year. ford has always blown like a fart in the wind with their
commitment to nascar.

rather than run that race with a car they were familiar with, roush and
mark choose to race an unfamiliar car that they thought would give them
a horsepower advantage. that in my opinion is what cost mark that title,
not the penalty. martin fans should not blame losing that title on a 46
point penalty that they had 27 races to recover from, which is plenty in
my mind.

there ya go, i think your a younger fan, so you may not remember or even
know that happened but you seem to appreciate nascar history and thats
an interesting little piece of it.


  37.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
  07.27.2009 - 8:58 am
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Petty43,

the penalty was at Richmond and as a Martin fan I agree that Martin
chocked down the stretch at Phoenix and the Rock and as you mentioned,
outhinking himself at Atlanta so he shares the blame.

But I can't simply exucse what NASCAR did by saying "he had plenty of
time to make it up". injustice is injustice. It was yet another example
in the 60 year history of NASCAR that not everybody plays by the same
rules. It's true in every sport and every aspect of life to be honest,
but NASCAR is one of the worst in sports with unequal treatment.


  38.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.27.2009 - 11:29 am
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Petty43, I actually remember that. I was only 6 years old in 1990, but I
was already obsessed with NASCAR. The walls in my room were covered with
pictures of NASCAR race cars from magazines, unlike most kids my age
whose walls were covered with posters of the Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles (though I did watch that show every day).

You wanna know what really cost Mark the 1990 championship? The Phoenix
race, which was the second to last race that year. While Dale was
dominating on his way to an eventual victory, Mark was doing alright. He
had a 45 point lead going in, and was running about 5th. Then, late in
the race there was a caution. Mark came in and got new tires and came
back out about 12th or so. Well guess what? On newer tires he wasn't
nearly aggressive enough in traffic, and he never made up any ground.
Just like Kit says.

I don't really blame Mark and them for the Atlanta deal. The fact is
that was when Dale flat out owned Atlanta. He had won the last two races
there after leading more than 200 laps in each. From the time Dale
joined RCR in 1984 through 1996, he was the guy to beat at Atlanta
(along with Awesome Bill). He won 7 times in that span, and could have
won more if it wasn't for the fact it was the last race on the schedule
most years and they had to be conservative on horsepower to make sure he
didn't blow up and conserve his points lead. Mark and Roush had to try
something drastic.

In my opinion, Phoenix was what truly cost Mark the title in 1990, not
slicing through traffic with new tires.


  39.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.27.2009 - 11:35 am
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"Let's go over this again: open wheel success does not mean jack shit in
NASCAR."

I totally agree with this. Juan's open wheel accomplishments mean about
as much as Michael Jordan's NBA championships and MVPs and scoring
titles meant when he tried to play baseball.


  40.   Matt G posted:
  07.27.2009 - 1:24 pm
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Why is it that every time someone gets a penalty there has to be a
conspiracy theory?

Couldnā??t a simpler explanation be that Roush deserved the 46 point
penalty in 1990 and that Hendrick is just better than everybody else
right now?

I do believe they throw ā??debrisā? cautions whenever they want but
seriously; a speeding penalty should not breed this many conspiracy
theories.


  41.   RR posted:
  07.27.2009 - 3:13 pm
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"I totally agree with this. Juan's open wheel accomplishments mean about
as much as Michael Jordan's NBA championships and MVPs and scoring
titles meant when he tried to play baseball."

For the love of God, NOBODY'S SAYING THAT! We just try to refute moronic
statements like "OMG Montoya sux and he talks funny" by pointing out
that Montoya has enjoyed great success in virtually every form of
racing. This proves that he isn't a moron, and anybody who says he is
either knows very little about racing, or is upset that he "one of the
furriners". I guess Jeff Gordon can't win because of those pit road
mistakes he made at Bristol.

The fact is that this year, with a team that has experience quite a bit
of turmoil over the last year or so, he is in a position to compete for
a championship. He is currently ahead of 7 guys who made the Chase last
year, guys that are supposed to be ahead of them.

JPM has shown that he can finally run in the top 10 consistently, and
realizes what it takes make the Chase. Bowyer did the same thing 2 years
ago, and finished third at the end of the season. It really doesn't
matter how well you do now, but during the Chase. That's smart racing.

If an example of his limitations is that he went 60.89 mph in a 55 mph
pit road with a 5 mph buffer, then the sky is the limit.


  42.   sickofit posted:
  07.27.2009 - 3:25 pm
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I am sick of everyone saying NASCAR is boring. There was passing
everywhere, not up front, but still. If you're gonna complain, I suggest
you watch F1 and the tell me NASCAR is boring.


  43.   good old boy posted:
  07.27.2009 - 5:37 pm
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all i will say is this.....if nascar can show us the speed of the cars
during qualifying and the race, why do they refuse to allow TV to show
the pit road speeds? does anyone really believe that, all other things
being equal, nascar would have given junior or gordon that same penalty
they gave juan?? c'mon...that looked like vince mcmahon was running the
show yesterday.


  44.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.27.2009 - 5:51 pm
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"For the love of God, NOBODY'S SAYING THAT!"
"We just try to refute moronic statements like "OMG Montoya sux and he
talks funny"

That is hypocritical. Nobody says he talks funny and nobody says he was
a bad open wheel driver. We just talk about the fact that he has been
his own worst enemy in stock cars.

"Montoya has enjoyed great success in virtually every form of racing."

But not stock cars. His one Nationwide win came after he dumped his
teammate and his one Cup win was due to fuel mileage.

"This proves that he isn't a moron, and anybody who says he is either
knows very little about racing, or is upset that he "one of the
furriners". "

Now that was an ignorant statement!! Nobody cares that he isn't from
this country. If Helio Castroneves were in NASCAR he would be extremely
popular because of his personality and he is from the same area of the
world and the same race as JPM. And we love Marcos Ambrose! And if he
isn't a moron, how come he screwed himself out of this race?

"I guess Jeff Gordon can't win because of those pit road mistakes he
made at Bristol."

Um dude, JEFF HAS OVER EIGHTY WINS!!! JPM has one fuel mileage win. For
every mistake Jeff has ever made, he has made twenty brilliant moves to
help himself.


  45.   Rad83- the man they call Johnny Roger posted:
  07.27.2009 - 6:09 pm
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OK, well guys I couldn't care less about what you're talking about.
Anyways, Brian Vickers gets a top-5, and is now up to 15th in points.
Logano is showing amazing talent... and I am kind of bummed Kyle Busch
is strugling, because i want to see his girlfriend more in victory lane.
I swear kyle Busch's girlfriend is hot! Anyways, critiize me, and see
you later. Oh, and Reed Sorenson fans are probaly happy about his 13th
place run. I pity anyone who would make the mistake of cheering for that
mediocre dude.


  46.   Kit posted:
  07.27.2009 - 6:45 pm
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"For the love of God, NOBODY'S SAYING THAT! We just try to refute
moronic statements like "OMG Montoya sux and he talks funny" by pointing
out that Montoya has enjoyed great success in virtually every form of
racing."

What did I just say? It doesn't MATTER what Montoya has done in open
wheel racing when we discuss stock car racing. When someone on the
NASCAR section of this web site says that he sucks at racing, it is
implied to mean that he sucks at STOCK CAR RACING. If we're on a
baseball forum, and say that Michael Jordon sucks at playing, we don't
mean he sucks as a basketball player too. Nor does it mean you can
refute the argument by suggesting that he's a great basketball player.
We're talking about baseball, not basketball. Same thing here, we are
talking about stock car racing, not open wheel racing.

I don't see why JPM gets this much attention. He's only competitive on
open-wheel tracks, including Indy, AND he's a total moron. He doesn't
have the brains to figure out how to get to the next level. He's
actually dumber than Harvick. People are like, "wow, JPM can get a top
10 finish in a second-rate car! Wow!!" Kasey Kahne can WIN A RACE in a
second-rate car with a team owner who spent the race at the hourly hotel
with Erin Crocker. I'm a lot more impressed with David Reutimann who can
take a top 30 car to a top 10 finish than JPM who can take a top 10 car
to a 10th place finish and choke when he's actually able to win a race,
like at Indy this past weekend.

"Montoya has enjoyed great success in virtually every form of racing.
This proves that he isn't a moron"

Being successful at driving an automobile has nothing to do with your
score on a standardized IQ test. Brains do help at being more successful
on the track, which JPM has failed to do so far. Montoya reminds me of a
dumb hick at a bar who'll start a fight if he thinks someone used up all
the toilet paper on purpose before he went into the stall. Hell, how
does JPM propose to "kill NASCAR?" I wasn't aware that NASCAR was a
living, breathing entity.

"I guess Jeff Gordon can't win because of those pit road mistakes he
made at Bristol."

Are you talking about the Jeff Gordon who's already won four
championships and like 84 races?

"The fact is that this year, with a team that has experience quite a bit
of turmoil over the last year or so, he is in a position to compete for
a championship. He is currently ahead of 7 guys who made the Chase last
year, guys that are supposed to be ahead of them."

So is Kasey Kahne and Kahne has had a lot more success in Cup AND Kahne
will have a much better shot at a chase championship than JPM. So what
is your point? JPM can't win a championship with 8th to 10th place
finishes when everyone else is finishing in the top 5 consistently.

"JPM has shown that he can finally run in the top 10 consistently"

Half of his career top 10s (nine) have come this season, and you suggest
that he knows how to run in the top 10 consistently? He couldn't even
get a top 10 this weekend in a race he could have won.

"It really doesn't matter how well you do now, but during the Chase.
That's smart racing."

Yeah, I'll be holding my breath to see JPM go from 10th place finishes
at BEST to back-to-back-to-back wins in the Chase...


  47.   good old boy posted:
  07.27.2009 - 7:26 pm
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ok..6 races till the chase. jpm is ahead of 3 roush cars, 2 gibbs cars,
4 childress cars, and 1 hendrick car in the points. THAT, with a two car
team......and despite the speeding penalty, he destroyed nascar's best
in the 2nd biggest race of the year, we all saw that. he is a race car
driver, F1, indy, nascar, etc. only foyt, andretti and stewart have won
in the major series that he has. how do you think kyle busch would have
handled the post race interview yesterday??? not with as much restraint
as jpm showed. its called talent, and like him or not, jpm has it. live
with it, cause he will make the chase while the rcr bunch and at least 2
of the roush gang, and at least one of the gibbs gang doesn't.


  48.   jr88fan posted:
  07.27.2009 - 8:09 pm
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I heard that it is going to be called the Brickyard 400 next year!


  49.   Kit posted:
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"jpm is ahead of 3 roush cars, 2 gibbs cars, 4 childress cars, and 1
hendrick car in the points."

This has nothing to do with driver talent.

Roush cars always have on or off season. It has nothing to do with the
drivers. If you are suggesting that JPM is more talented than Matt
Kenseth because he's ahead in the points, you are delusional. Hell,
Kenseth has had a better season when you consider his wins.

Biffle's team is always hot or cold and when they're hot, they are way
better than what JPM has done this season.

Kyle Busch has maturity and inferiority issues. That is the only reason
why JPM is ahead of him in points. Plus Busch has three wins this
season, so that's better than the no top 5s that JPM has. Doesn't really
matter about the points at this point of the season.

There is no way JPM will win a championship doing what he's doing now.

RCR cars suck this year and once again, it has nothing to do with
driving talent. More like Richard Childress being stupid.

Dale Jr. is a joke but once again, JPM is not more talented.

Come to think of it, you proved my point for me. The ONLY reason JPM is
so high in the points this season is because EVERY other good team is
having an off year! It has nothing to do with JPM's driving.

"he is a race car driver, F1, indy, nascar, etc. only foyt, andretti and
stewart have won in the major series that he has."

Didn't I already say that I don't give a damn about F1 or Indy? Indy is
a joke and I don't even pay attention to F1.

"how do you think kyle busch would have handled the post race interview
yesterday??? not with as much restraint as jpm showed."

True, but this has nothing to do with driving talent.

"its called talent, and like him or not, jpm has it."

HAHAHAHA! How in the hell does JPM have talent when he CHOKED on a win?
How does he show talent by restraining himself during an interview after
a race that he CHOKED? Why are you so quick to say that he has talent
when he only has 18 top 10s so far?

"live with it, cause he will make the chase while the rcr bunch and at
least 2 of the roush gang, and at least one of the gibbs gang doesn't."

Live with what? The fact that you are easily impressed?

It's amazing how people like you have forgotten how much talent Tim
Richmond had 20 years ago. So far, JPM doesn't have shit on Tim Richmond.

I don't even think you know what talent is. Having a half-way decent
season with no top 5s because every other good team out there somehow
manages to suck more isn't driving talent.

If you want to know what driving talent is, watch a race with Tim
Richmond leading.


  50.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
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"Why is it that every time someone gets a penalty there has to be a
conspiracy theory?"

A. because NASCAR has a history of playing favorites

B. NASCAR isn't exactly open about things, pit road speed being a prime
example

also, as for Mark Martin not aggresive enough, I agree, but yesterday I
think something we got to remember is he was racing a teammate.

Where I thought being conservative really cost him yesterday was him
sticking to the inside line. Mark should of took the gamble and went
with the outside and I thought so at the time, but I doubt that thought
ever even crossed his mind. Heck, Alan Gustafson (sp?) had to sell him
on taking the outside on the last restart at Chicago, despite being
burnt on the inside the last restart he was leading.


  51.   WallaceFan posted:
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Montoya is a legit driver, he dropped back a bit because of the
penalty....but at one point of the race when he was leading....he had
moved up to 6TH IN POINTS

6TH!!

Hes legit.


  52.   WallaceFan posted:
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He can do it at every track.....1st at sonoma, 2nd at Talladega, 9th at
Bristol....this guy is just talented.

And Look who hes driving for...not exactly one of the top cars out
there. Put him with Gibbs, Hendrick...one of the top guns...you got a
champion.


  53.   Neal posted:
  07.28.2009 - 2:48 am
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"I am sick of everyone saying NASCAR is boring. There was passing
everywhere, not up front, but still. If you're gonna complain, I suggest
you watch F1 and the tell me NASCAR is boring."

I've watched F-1 and guess what, they have about as many lead changes as
a NASCAR race does. As I've said before, I don't give a shit about the
battle for 15th...nor do people who pay $100 for a crappy seat.

They want to see battles for the lead...not ONE goddamn green-flag lead
change that wasn't the result of a pit-stop sequence or a restart.

NASCAR is circling the drain.


  54.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
  07.28.2009 - 8:30 am
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Everybody says Juan's doing great in a junk ride. I don't know if we
know how bad or good Earnhardt Ganassi Racing stuff is. The teams
biggest problem is they have had crap drivers. The last time we've seen
quality drivers in DEI or Ganassi equipment they have done pretty good.
Jamie Mac did better at Ganassi than he is at Roush (not saying Ganassi
is better than Roush, just saying) and Jr won a a lot of races at DEI
and Mark would of had a good chance at making the chase in DEI stuff
last season if he ran the full season.


  55.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.28.2009 - 12:22 pm
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I don't think Ganassi's organization is as bad as people think. Look at
drivers like Jamie McMurray and Casey Mears. They went to elite
organizations at roush and Hendrick respectively and did WORSE than they
did at Ganassi. Reed Sorenson went to GEM and is running just like he
did in the #41 car while Kasey Kahne is in the top 10 every week. David
Stremme went to Penske and is the same back marker wrecking machine
while Kurt is in the Top 5 in points.

I think they just had bad drivers. When Sterling was there at his peak
they were championship contenders. Then he gets hurt and Ganassi brings
in a LOT of young inexperienced drivers and they can't contend. I agree
with Kit, I don't think JPM is as good at stock cars as people think.


  56.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.28.2009 - 12:27 pm
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"Kasey Kahne can WIN A RACE in a second-rate car"

What he's doing this year isn't getting enough attention in my opinion.
Heck, what he's done in his CAREER isn't getting enough attention. If he
were at Hendrick or Hendrick Jr (SHR) there is no telling what he would
do. If he can get 10 wins for an organization that has gone through as
much upheaval as they have with a ridiculously inconsistent manufacturer
(Dodge) is amazing. There is all this talk about who should be in the
third SHR car next year with names like Kevin Harvick and Danica
Patrick. Forget those clowns. Buy out Kasey's contract and get him! I'm
sure Budweiser would want to go with him.

"with a team owner who spent the race at the hourly hotel with Erin
Crocker."

Ugh. Thanks for the visual! :)


  57.   Kit posted:
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"They went to elite organizations at roush and Hendrick respectively and
did WORSE than they did at Ganassi."

That doesn't necessarily indicate that Ganassi is better than Roush and
Hendrick, though. McMurray I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt
because I don't think the #26 team is as good as the rest of the Roush
teams. Roush doesn't seem to have as good of a grasp of making teams
equally good as Hendrick does.

I honestly don't think we've ever seen what McMurray is capable of
because his teams have always been mid-pack, except when he subbed in
the #40. As it stands, I'm not sure he'll ever get a chance to show his
potential.

Casey Mears just sucks but he pushed himself harder at Ganassi.

Ganassi went to shit because Ganassi pretty much gave up on Marlin and
spread the team's resources too thin for the rookie drivers in McMurray
and Mears. None of them did anywhere near as well as Marlin did at Ganassi.

Ganassi is probably the worst owner in the sport because he micromanages
his teams to shit then will never accept the blame for anything. I mean,
hell, what was the point of replacing Marlin with Stremme? Marlin only
have probably two or three seasons left full-time. He could have won
another damn race in the #40 if Ganassi got his shit together. Ganassi
also is more focused on the IRL. At least Roush can make his NASCAR
teams competitive.

"David Stremme went to Penske and is the same back marker wrecking
machine while Kurt is in the Top 5 in points."

But remember that this is the same #12 team that Ryan Newman left
because they haven't accomplished much of anything in the past few
seasons save for a Daytona 500 victory. David Stremme was the only
driver they could get into the #12 car prior to the recession because
other driver steered clear of it. There's a reason why Newman left.

Regardless, Ganassi is a joke now so I guess discussing it doesn't
really matter. They will never be the same again.

"I agree with Kit, I don't think JPM is as good at stock cars as people
think."

He's not. He finished outside of the top 10 in a race he could have won
and yet people say he's very talented? Please. He's doing okay with a
shit team, but unlike Kahne and Reutimann, there probably won't be any
seductive offers available to him outside of Ganassi in Cup.

"What he's doing this year isn't getting enough attention in my opinion.
Heck, what he's done in his CAREER isn't getting enough attention."

No kidding. People want to cheerlead for dbags like Kryle Busch, yet
Kahne is as good of a driver if not better. Stick Kahne in the #18 and
he would have won this year's championship YESTERDAY. What's hurting
Kahne is the fact that his team is either very good or very bad on any
particular weekend. Reminds me of Sterling's #40 team in '03.

"There is all this talk about who should be in the third SHR car next
year with names like Kevin Harvick and Danica Patrick. Forget those
clowns. Buy out Kasey's contract and get him! I'm sure Budweiser would
want to go with him."

Exactly! Harvick had a top five points finish last year and now he's
throwing a fit this year and wants out of the team. Let the crybaby go
back to playing in his Nationwide Series sandbox. He's done. He's
already transitioned over to being a Truck Series driver anyway. I think
his peak at Cup has passed.

I've already said my piece on Patrick and I have nothing to add. Well,
except that it's hilarious when she's upset in the pits at a driver
after a race and wants to make a scene. Haha, you could like hold your
hand on top of her head while she's swinging so she won't hit you. Not
that it'd hurt anyway, haha.


  58.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
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in a day that was tough to pass, Logano went from the back to 12th and
had a good side by side race with Juan at the end.

In what's been a down year for Gibbs (one guy in the chase right now)
Logano is progressing nicely.

speaking of Gibbs down year, am I the only one that thinks Gibbs is
paying for poor leadership?

They have a 5th year immature driver
4th year immature driver
and a 19 year old rookie


  59.   Kit posted:
  07.29.2009 - 1:17 pm
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"speaking of Gibbs down year, am I the only one that thinks Gibbs is
paying for poor leadership?"

Not at all.


  60.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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"I mean, hell, what was the point of replacing Marlin with Stremme?"

I guess Chip had some extra money laying around and decided he wanted to
spend it replacing wrecked race cars.

Actually the reason they gave was that Coors Light wanted a younger,
more marketable driver. Smart move by the folks in Colorado. And by
"smart" I mean "incredibly stupid". Instead of the personable, likeable
Sterling, they got some faceless schmuck who is about as interesting as
a bar of soap. Seriously, who would you rather have a beer with? Imagine
the stories Sterling could tell over a few cold ones!!

"McMurray I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt because I don't think
the #26 team is as good as the rest of the Roush teams."

I don't know. I'm just not sold on Jamie. He seems very confidence
sensitive to me. I think the pressure of being at an organization like
Roush got to him, although I agree that Roush has MAJOR consistency
issues. I don't think Jamie ever mentally recovered from 2006. Coming
off the 2005 season, the only season in which all Roush cars were up to
speed, expectations were sky high. But 2006 was a crappy year for
everyone at Roush except Kenseth. Jamie has gone to see a sports
psychiatrist and got on a workout program, but I think he thinks he
can't do it.

"But remember that this is the same #12 team that Ryan Newman left
because they haven't accomplished much of anything in the past few
seasons save for a Daytona 500 victory. David Stremme was the only
driver they could get into the #12 car prior to the recession because
other driver steered clear of it."

David Stremme has the opposite problem as Jamie Mac, he thinks he's a
lot better than he really is. I think the #12 car is better than people
think. Ryan Newman, in my opinion, is a Kyle Busch Lite. He is great
when things are going well, but pouts and quits when things get tough.
He just isn't as loud about it as Kyle.

But I agree about Chip. He has made some really bad decisions that have
crippled his once highly funded organization to the point they had to
merge with the comatose DEI. He brought drivers up WAY too soon. Casey
Mears, Reed Sorenson, David Stremme, and even Juan Pablo Buckner wasn't
ready at the time. And the decision to shitcan Sterling should still
haunt him. I just think their equipment was and still is a little better
than people think. If Chip had half a brain they could have been a dynasty.


  61.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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"People want to cheerlead for dbags like Kryle Busch, yet Kahne is as
good of a driver if not better. Stick Kahne in the #18 and he would have
won this year's championship YESTERDAY."

Exactly. Same thing for the #88 car. He would have either of those teams
in the Top 5 in points. But how about the opposite of that: Imagine if
Kyle were put in the #9 car. Talk about a shitfit!! He would have gone
insane by now. I don't think Kyle has the mental capacity to win for an
organization like that.

"Exactly! Harvick had a top five points finish last year and now he's
throwing a fit this year and wants out of the team."

I was thinking the same thing. RCR always rebounds. If they can recover
from the debacle that was their 2002 season (with the highlight being
Harvick getting himself suspended from a race) and finish in the Top 5
in points in 2003, they can rebound from this. Especially with drivers
like Jeff Burton and Clint Bowyer. Heck, they won their third race with
him three weeks after losing that organization's cornerstone, backbone,
and sole reason for their success in the first place.

"Let the crybaby go back to playing in his Nationwide Series sandbox.
He's done. He's already transitioned over to being a Truck Series driver
anyway. I think his peak at Cup has passed"

I agree.

"I've already said my piece on Patrick and I have nothing to add. Well,
except that it's hilarious when she's upset in the pits at a driver
after a race and wants to make a scene."

I still love her Michigan shitfit after she ran out of gas that one
year. It combines two of my favorite things to laugh at: Danica's
tantrums and Rusty Wallace's commentary. She's stomping the ground and
punching air and kicking trash cans and yelling F***! over and over
again. Meanwhile Rusty is up there trying to be serious. "We've got to
figure out why she's so upset" "Oooh, she's cussing" "Don't kick that
too hard, you've gotta race next week". I could watch that all day!


  62.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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"Haha, you could like hold your hand on top of her head while she's
swinging so she won't hit you."

Or just throw a towel at her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frcOogBzSY8


  63.   good old boy posted:
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kit......
my point is that NOBODY thought jpm would do anything this year. i agree
that not having any top 5's looks bad, but they haven't had top 5
equipment, and look at how bad truex {who most thought was better} has
run. jpm has done an awesome job running with 2nd rate chevy equipment,
no way that they are getting the same help as hendrick's bunch,
childress, stewart, etc.


  64.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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"and look at how bad truex {who most thought was better} has run."

That's cause Truex is still running old DEI chassis. Juan Pablo Buckner
is running Ganassi's chassis that are now powered by an EGR Chevy engine
rather than the crappy Dodge engines built the shadow of Ernie Elliott.


  65.   Bronco posted:
  07.29.2009 - 6:51 pm
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"Exactly. Same thing for the #88 car. He would have either of those
teams in the Top 5 in points."

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I'm not sure why you put
Kasey Kahne on such a pedestal. Yes, Kasey is talented but no more so
than Shrub or Dale Jr. The problems with the #88 is the team, not the
driver. If they could provide Dale Jr with the proper cars to keep up
with his talent, then he too would be a top 5-top 10 driver.

Most drivers are only as good as their equipment, and I'll use Kasey as
an example. In 2006 he won 6 races and made the cha$e. In 2007 he nearly
fell out of the top 35, was invisible the whole year except for the
Bristol night race. Then in 2008 he won two races but was invisible
mostly everywhere else. Did Kasey forgot how to drive in 2007? No, it's
because his cars sucked. It's the exact same deal with Dale Jr.


  66.   Red posted:
  07.29.2009 - 9:02 pm
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"The problems with the #88 is the team, not the driver. If they could
provide Dale Jr with the proper cars to keep up with his talent, then he
too would be a top 5-top 10 driver."

THAT is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You really think Rick
Hendrick signed Junior just to give him junk cars? His teammates already
have 8 wins this year, in the SAME equipment that Junior drives. The
stuff people will say to defend this guy is just incomprehensible to me.


  67.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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Bronco, you have been drinking too much Molson.

You're forgetting one very crucial piece of information. Right now all
six of Dale Jr's teammates (counting Brad's part time GoDaddy ride) are
seriously outperforming him. His five full time teammates (I'm counting
Stewart and Newman) are in the Cha$e and are running up front. All but
Newman have won at least once, and he has come close. The Kid has won 4
times, JJ three times, Stewart twice (plus the Winston), and Wonderboy
even got a win despite major back pain.

Plus he's driving for a dynasty. Hendrick Motorsports is the best funded
organization with the most rock solid infastructure in NASCAR by far. In
2004 they had a terrible tragedy that took the lives of many crucial
members of the organization and they still never missed a beat on the
track. Plus he is driving for the best manufacturer in NASCAR: Chevy.

Kasey, on the other hand, has been on a team with constant upheaval and
reshuffling. And he has driven for the worst manufacturer this decade:
Dodge. They have been wildly inconsistent. The Dodge Charger debacle of
2005-2007 was embarrassing. You mentioned 2007, all of Evernham sucked
that year (insert Erin Crocker joke here). The Valvoline car missed
races. Ray blamed faulty programming on engineering software. I blame an
unfocused owner. Then he sold out to Gillette and recently merged with
the corpse of Petty Enterprises, stretching their resources WAY too thin
by trying to run four teams. Yet he has still won three races in the
last 3 years. That is amazing!

You probably think it is unimpressive that Alan Kulwicki only won 5
races in his career.


  68.   Brian posted:
  07.29.2009 - 9:55 pm
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Damn it! JPM owned the field and sped down pit road.
If he won this race I would have literally jumped for joy!

Oh well....


  69.   Kit posted:
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"my point is that NOBODY thought jpm would do anything this year."

Considering that he has no top 5s as of yet, is barely in the Chase (and
won't be competitive for a championship the way they are running
anyway), and he finished 11th in a race he should have won, I would say
that, yes, he has pretty much not done anything this year.

Replace jpm with Kahne in your statement and I would agree with you. I
figured that Kahne would be stuck with a 20th place point standing right
now.

"but they haven't had top 5 equipment"

Did you watch the race this weekend?

"That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I'm not sure why you put
Kasey Kahne on such a pedestal."

No it's not, don't put his statement on a pedestal. Maybe if he
suggested that the earth is flat or something, you would have a valid point.

"Yes, Kasey is talented but no more so than Shrub or Dale Jr."

Bullshit. Dale Jr. has been a backwater driver since 2004. Kasey Kahne
has done MORE with LESS. Kasey won in second-rate junk, and what the
hell has Dale Jr. done in a HENDRICK car? NOTHING.

Dale Jr. is talented but has no focus.

Kryle Busch drives too hard and brushes the wall too much. He won a lot,
but I have to wonder about the advantages Toyota had.

"The problems with the #88 is the team, not the driver."

Okay, then since Hendrick is not good enough for Dale Jr., who is?

"If they could provide Dale Jr with the proper cars to keep up with his
talent, then he too would be a top 5-top 10 driver."

Yes, right now Dale Jr. needs a car that will race itself to victory
lane. He also needs a car with autopilot so he won't miss his pit stall.


  70.   Kit posted:
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"You mentioned 2007, all of Evernham sucked that year"

I disagree. Erin Crocker was pretty good with the team. She only sucked
when Ray Evernham was present.


  71.   CarlEdwards99 posted:
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I got to agree with Bronco about jr, sort of.

Jr wasn't getting the same equipment as his teammates, as from what we
heard, Tony jr. and the 88 team did things there own way, very old
school, compared to there engineer and technology driven teammates at
Hendrick. Just now is McGrew (sp?) built cars finally making it to the
race track.

With that said, that shouldn't be a exucse for Jr., as that's his own
fault. He is the one that wanted Tony jr. as his crew chief and he was
the one that when Hendrick finally pulled the plug on Tony jr., almost
broke down in tears.


  72.   Bronco posted:
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"THAT is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You really think Rick
Hendrick signed Junior just to give him junk cars? His teammates already
have 8 wins this year, in the SAME equipment that Junior drives. The
stuff people will say to defend this guy is just incomprehensible to me."

Ok Red, explain this to me. How does a guy go from being 2nd in points
last year with a win and a bunch of top 5s, top 10s to almost nothing
this year? Don't give me the crap that he forgot how to driver, or he
doesn't care about his numbers on the track. At Fontana he blew an
engine. At Richmond his team adjusted wedge instead of the track bar. At
Charlotte, we all know what happened. At Pocono he had a broken
suspension piece. That points to a problem with the crew and equipment
to me. Another thing to consider, was that this race (Brickyard 400) was
the first race in which Lance built a car from the ground up. I don't
know what race you watched, but in the race that I saw, Dale Jr
qualified 3rd and ran top 10 all day before his engine expired. You are
free to draw your own conclusions, of course.

And another thing - just because a bunch of drivers are teammates
doesn't mean everything is equal. Each crew chief runs their team
differently with different personnel, and different strategies etc.
That's why Johnson has had more success than Gordon in the last 7-8
years.. That's why Hamlin's team always has strange mechanical failures
(including in this race) while Shrub cruises to wins. That's why Kenseth
won the 2003 championship while his teammates had a ton of engine
problems. I don't know why Dale Jr's team is so far off the pace, but
that's because I'm not a a crew chief or engineer. But I do know that he
will be much better next year and will hopefully shut some of you up.

"Then he sold out to Gillette and recently merged with the corpse of
Petty Enterprises, stretching their resources WAY too thin by trying to
run four teams. Yet he has still won three races in the last 3 years.
That is amazing!"

Ok he won three races, so what? No matter who Kasey calls "boss" he has
always had the best equipment of his teammates, so he should be doing
well. I'd hardly call what he's driving junk, (what he drove in 2007 was
junk though) because if it was he wouldn't be 8th in points. And to
compare Kasey to Alan is asinine, since their situations couldn't be
more different. The last time I checked Alan didn't have Budweiser's big
bucks backing him up.


  73.   Kit posted:
  07.30.2009 - 10:20 pm
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"How does a guy go from being 2nd in points last year with a win and a
bunch of top 5s, top 10s to almost nothing this year?"

He slacked off, just like how an A student in high school could go to
college, join a frat, get drunk and high all the time, and pull a
sub-2.0 GPA.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Drivers who are that focused
to get a top five points finish do not miss their pit stalls. That's
behavior of someone who's slacking off.

I'd hate to say it, but Dale Jr.'s career from '01 to '04 was motivated
partially because of his father's death. Now that he's been dead for a
while, and the spotlight of his death is not on Jr. any longer, Jr.
isn't pushing himself as much as he used to.

"just because a bunch of drivers are teammates doesn't mean everything
is equal"

So Brad K. is going to get better equipment than Dale Jr., Bronco?
Bullshit. Ryan Newman at a satellite team is going to get better
equipment than Dale Jr.? Yeah, right.

"Each crew chief runs their team differently with different personnel,
and different strategies etc."

Maybe at Roush, but not at Hendrick. They share notes at Hendrick. How
the hell do you think Stewart is doing so well? It isn't just engines
and chassis.

"I'd hardly call what he's driving junk, (what he drove in 2007 was junk
though) because if it was he wouldn't be 8th in points."

Bronco, I liked you although we have sparred before, but now you're
getting a little too delusional. Alan Kulwicki WON A CHAMPIONSHIP
driving junk! He was able to set the chassis up to be competitive
because he had a genius level IQ AND he was a damn good racer.

Kahne is driving junk. If he was in the #88, he would be in the top
three in points right now.

"The last time I checked Alan didn't have Budweiser's big bucks backing
him up."

It takes more than money to be competitive in the sport. Just ask Bobby
Ginn.


  74.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  07.31.2009 - 12:15 am
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"Ok Red, explain this to me. How does a guy go from being 2nd in points
last year with a win and a bunch of top 5s, top 10s to almost nothing
this year?"

The pressure of being at Hendrick Motorsports got to him. Dale Jr has a
history of choking when close to ultimate success. See 2003, 2004, and
2006. Once Jimmie made his mid summer run in 2008, it became apparent to
Dale he had a real shot at the championship, and he folded under the
pressure. Just like in the past. Now with six teammates winning with the
same chassis and motors as Dale, he is really folding.

"At Fontana he blew an engine. At Richmond his team adjusted wedge
instead of the track bar. At Charlotte, we all know what happened. At
Pocono he had a broken suspension piece."

Jimmie Johnson has run out of gas twice, wrecked at Daytona, Vegas, Dega
and Richmond and got repayed by Kurt Busch at Loudon and Chicago, yet he
still has three wins and is second in points. Mark Martin has blown up
twice, blew a tire at Atlanta, had bad pit strategy at Daytona (the
500), Charlotte, Pocono, and Loudon, and crashed big time at Dega, Sears
Point, and Daytona (the 400). Yet he has won 4 times and is in the
cha$e. Jeff Gordon needs back surgery and has won and is solidly in the
cha$e. Mistakes can be overcome!

"ran top 10 all day before his engine expired."

But behind 4 of his teammates (Johnson, Stewart, Martin, and Gordon). As
usual he got worse as the race went on. And besides, it expired cause he
screwed up. Add this to all his other mental blunders this year.

"That's why Johnson has had more success than Gordon in the last 7-8 years."

But Gordon has never been a back marker like Dale Jr. Even when he went
winless he still made the cha$e and contended for wins. Even when he
missed the cha$e in 2005 he won 4 times. Besides, were it not for the
cha$e, Gordon would have 2 championships over the last 8 years (2004 and
2007) compared to Jimmie's one (2006). But I will give you that Jimmie
has won a lot more.

"But I do know that he will be much better next year and will hopefully
shut some of you up."

Seeing as how Hendrick has put every engineer in sight on Dale's pit
box, he SHOULD be doing better. He has the head chassis man and head HMS
engineer talking to Dale during every race.

"Ok he won three races, so what? No matter who Kasey calls "boss" he has
always had the best equipment of his teammates, so he should be doing well."

That's like picking the best car out of the junkyard. His equipment has
often been second rate. Since 2007, 92 races have been run. All but 10
have been won by a Hendrick car (or satellite team), a Roush car, an RCR
car, or a Gibbs car. 2 of which were complete rain flukes (Kurt Busch at
Loudon last year and Reut at the 600 this year). Kurt, a former Cup
champ has three additional wins. Ryan Newman had the miracle push in the
'08 Daytona 500. Martin Truex won at Dover in '07 and disappeared. Juan
Pablo Choker won a fuel mileage race in '07 and disappeared until this
race. The other 3? Kasey Kahne won them. So in 92 races he has 30% of
all non big 4 teams. That is DAMN impressive.

"And to compare Kasey to Alan is asinine, since their situations
couldn't be more different. The last time I checked Alan didn't have
Budweiser's big bucks backing him up."

Big bucks don't mean anything if you have idiots spending the money.
Ganassi Racing had BIG bucks for a long time and won once since the end
of 2002. Besides, I was just saying not being impressed with Kasey's
wins is like being unimpressed with Alan. When you compare what they
have done with organizations that are either much less funded or have
much less intelligence up top (remember the Elliott Sadler disaster?),
it is similar. But yes, Alan was more impressive.


  75.   good old boy posted:
  07.31.2009 - 5:33 pm
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one question.....who do you think has better equipment, montoya or
junior???? if you say junior, i agree, so how is it possible that junior
has been mediocre for much of the year while montoya is 10th in points??
if you think montoya has better cars.......what can i say, you're
drinking the junior nation kool aid.


  76.   Mike posted:
  08.03.2009 - 2:42 am
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"As usual, he got worse as the race went on."

Were you not watching the same leaderboard I was? On the last run before
he blew the motor he was actually keeping up with the top 5's lap times.
Jr's car was the best it had been all day before the engine blew. It
would have been interesting to see what he could have done if given the
track position.


  77.   Destiny posted:
  08.03.2009 - 3:23 am
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The race is on July 26, 2009, not July 25, 2009.


  78.   jp posted:
  08.03.2009 - 5:58 pm
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Flat Track+ COT+ Hendrick win+ BORING ESPN coverage= yaaaaaaaawn.


  79.   Willy on Wheels posted:
  08.10.2009 - 10:05 am
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This race sums up Jr's season. Just bad luck after more bad luck.


  80.   Aaron posted:
  02.02.2010 - 1:40 pm
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It was really great to see Bill Elliott qualify 4th at a track that he
has won at before.


  81.   Daniel posted:
  05.22.2012 - 10:50 am
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In using fastest 43: #09 Sterling Marlin & #13 Max Papis

Out using fastest 43: #08 Terry Labonte & #19 Elliott Sadler


  82.   CBASS posted:
  02.04.2013 - 7:15 am
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  83.   LASTCAR posted:
  04.24.2013 - 12:58 pm
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Joe Nemechek picked up the 15th last-place finish of his career in
Sunday's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard at the Indianapolis Motor
Speedway when his unsponsored #87 NEMCO Motorsports Toyota fell out with
brake problems after completing 21 of 160 laps.

Nemechek qualified 30th on Saturday with a speed of 177.284 mph, locking
him into the Allstate 400 field as the third-fastest car outside the top
35 in owner's points. In the early stages of Sunday's race, it appeared
as though Elliott Sadler would score his sixth last-place finish as a
mysterious leak on the first lap forced him behind the wall. On lap 21,
Nemechek then fell out with brake problems in the ensuing green-flag
run, followed two laps later by 2009 last-place leader Dave Blaney.
Sadler returned to the track late in the event, but Nemechek did not,
giving him the 43rd and final finishing position.

The finish was Nemechek's second of 2009 and his first since February's
Auto Club 500 at the Auto Club Speedway. It is the third time in 2009
that the last-place finisher fell out with brake problems and was also
the first time that Nemechek, NEMCO Motorsports, and car number 87 have
ever finished last in the Allstate 400 at the Brickyard.

Nemechek now sits sixth on the all-time last-place finisher rankings and
is just one finish away from tying Derrike Cope and Todd Bodine for the
most last-place finishes since 1998.

2009 RANKINGS
1st) Dave Blaney (5)
2nd) Mike Bliss, Patrick Carpentier, David Gilliland, Joe Nemechek, Tony
Raines (2)
3rd) Todd Bodine, P.J. Jones, Matt Kenseth, Joey Logano, Mark Martin (1)

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  84.   Anthony posted:
  12.20.2013 - 4:55 am
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well well well, Johnson wins another race he didn't deserve to


  85.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  04.24.2014 - 11:39 am
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  87.   Kentucky Wildcat posted:
  03.26.2018 - 7:01 pm
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One the worst moments in NASCAR history! What a great story if Juan
Pablo Montoya had won, he was super fast this day. What a classic moment
this would've been and I'm not even the biggest Montoya fan but this
woulda been so cool to see. Worst other case then happened, boring
Jimmie Johnson wins. This was a black day in NASCAR if you asked me, the
first of many that are turning me away.


  88.   JSPorts posted:
  03.26.2018 - 8:18 pm
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@87 you're right, Montoya was super fast that day, especially on pit
road. This race was definitely a worse day for NASCAR than the debacle
in '08.


  89.   First-Name Last-Name posted:
  03.26.2018 - 8:56 pm
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He sped on Pit road. Rules are the same for everyone, go over the pit
road speed limit and its a pass through penalty. Although NASCAR does do
a LOT of hypocritical rulings this wasn't on them.


  90.   Rich posted:
  12.06.2020 - 4:46 pm
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Dr. Jerry Punch, Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett were the commentators.
Shannon Spake, Dave Burns, Vince Welch and Jamie Little were the
commentators. Tim Brewer was at the Chevy cut-away car. Allen Bestwick,
Brad Daugherty, Rusty Wallace and Ray Evernham were in the ESPN pit studio.


  91.   Altracing posted:
  12.22.2020 - 1:28 pm
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With his win Jimmie Johnson became the first driver to win back-to-back
Brickyard 400's which would only be accomplished two more times by Kyle
Busch 2015-2016 and Kevin Harvick 2019-2020.


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