|| *Comments on the 2009 AMP Energy 500:* View the most recent comment <#183> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Smokefan05 posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Atleast JaimeMc won. 2. Mike posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Congratulations to Jimmie Johnson on his 4th cha$e championship. 3. RR posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, at least somebody I like won today. Good job Jamie. He had one of the best cars in the field. It seems like he always gets some great results towards the end of the season. He was killer during the last half dozen races last year (actually did better before, but had terrible luck). Now he's followed up a 6th at Talladega with a win. Hopefully he can keep this momentum with his new team. That's really about the only good thing about this race. Newman was spot on. 4. Willy on Wheels posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great job Jamie on winning and Bobby Labonte for taking a start and park team to the top 10!!! 5. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Jamie McMurray is possibly the biggest bust this decade. Wins in his second start and has 2 wins in the 253 starts since. Throw out the Charlotte victory and he's a younger Michael Waltrip. Great drafter, crappy driver. What's the over/under on him winning 5 or more races in his career? 6. Tom posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So Johnson is going to have the title wrapped up before Homestead with the Chase, and under the old system there are three drivers within 79 points...... Chase for the Championship! Adding excitement to the title chase every year.... 7. Smokefan05 posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hey Neal is David Ragen any better? 8. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan is 10 years younger than McMurray. 9. Bronco posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie McMurray pulls off an upset with this win. Coming into the race, he had led one lap all seaosn long and didn't even have a top 5. Now he's making Jerk Roush look a fool for releasing him. I hope he gets a good ride for next year and runs competitively. Ryan Newman's flip was insane. I have never seen a car be perpendicular to the ground in mid air, and its not often that a car lands on its roof. Tony Stewart loses both cars in one crash and puts an end to their DNF streak. Reutimann now inherits the running at the finish honor. Brad keeps proving to me that Denny Hamlin's comments about him at Dover were spot on. He wrecked Kurt Busch (future teammate) and caused a huge wreck in the tri-oval. I used to root for him last year when he drove the Navy car and was looking for his first win, now I can't stand him. Dale Jr gets the highest driver rating for the second Talladega race in a row. He is also two laps away from tying DW for laps led at Talladega. I was hoping he would win, but Jamie did a nice job holding him off. 10. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) McMurray doesn't belong in a full-time ride. He'll never be a championship contender. He doesn't have the talent. 11. RR posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) A "bust" wouldn't have three victories, period. God forbid we actually congratulate a guy... Oh, and with the Championship all but determined, and the "don't actually race" rule, NASCAR's really on a roll... 12. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "A "bust" wouldn't have three victories, period." The dude won in his second start. He's been sucking ass for the premier Ford team for 4 years now. While Biffle, Kenseth, and Edwards have been racking up wins hand over fist McMurray's been tooling around doing next-to-nothing. The '07 win at Daytona was a fluke and today wasn't much better. 13. Bronco posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "The '07 win at Daytona was a fluke and today wasn't much better." You're an idiot. At Daytona in 2007, he almost fell a lap down because NASCAR stupidly judged that he passed Jeff Gordon under the yellow line. And he still rallied back to win the race. And today he kicked ass as well. "David Ragan is 10 years younger than McMurray." Wtf has that got to do with anything? Ragan also been driving for the premier Ford team for 3 years and has done nothing, not even a pole or a second place finish. 14. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if Nascar will make changes to the chace now since it look like Jimmie will win the championship before homestead. Nascar had the no bump drafting rules for this race trying to prevent the big one and from cars from flying. Nascar didn't accomplish it from this race. 15. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He led 3 laps at Daytona in '07. He has 3 more wins than Ragan. Impressive. 2 more and he'll tie the inimitable Michael Waltrip. McMurray's problem is that for every race where he "kicks ass" he has 84 races where he sucks ass. 16. New 14&88 Fan posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First off,congrats to McMurray and the #26 team on a well-deserved victory and glad to see both Newman and Martin ok after their flips late in the race.Newman was right to rip Nascar for the yellow-line rule and the "no bump-drafting" rule since both are only selectively enforced...otherwise Brad Keselowski would of been penalized for running over his future teammate and triggering the big one at the end.What the hell were you thinking Brad??? The Cha$e just needs to die already....the only purpose it serves is to gift wrap the championship for the #48 team-_-what an epic fail. 17. Bronco posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He led 3 laps at Daytona in '07. He has 3 more wins than Ragan. Impressive. 2 more and he'll tie the inimitable Michael Waltrip. McMurray's problem is that for every race where he "kicks ass" he has 84 races where he sucks ass. " Who cares how many laps you lead? The only one that matters is the last one. I don't know wtf your problem with McMurray is. He won a legitimate race - can't people just be happy for him? "What the hell were you thinking Brad???" He clearly wasn't. First he roughs up his future Nationwide teammate at Bristol and now he wrecks Kurt and several others for no reason. Somebody needs to teach him a damn lesson already. And the cha$e is a friggin joke. Jimmie will clinch at Phoenix, instead of having a good 3 driver battle all the way to Homestead. 18. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco - My problem with McMurray is that he's done NOTHING to justify driving for a top-tier team. He should be in a start-and-park ride. It's a damn shame that a past champion like Bobby Labonte has to drive for a start-and-park team and a driver like McMurray who hasn't done jack shit in his career keeps getting mentioned for at least halfway decent rides. At least if EGR picks McMurray up to drive the 1 we won't have to worry about him winning a race next year. 19. DaleJrFan18 posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That means nothing Neal. Look at Richard Petty. This was an awesome race overall, but the period between the 2nd to last caution to the restart was a total joke, at least 6 drivers ran out of fuel under caution! And by the way, I bet you based on Ryan's comments, Nascar will throw a shitfit and make the restrictor plates smaller and make bumpdrafting illegal all together! Seriously, they've become rule nazi's lately and it's really pissing me off. Newman was spot on however, its good to know that even the drivers hate what the officials have done to the sport. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a strike occurs in the next five years if something isn't done about it. And HOW ABOUT JR!? He may have run out of gas under caution, he may have had a better finish if he didn't, and he may have finished out of the top ten, but you know what, I will take this 11th place finish because this race showed that he still had what it takes and for once, he didn't get into a wreck! This will definitley boost Jr's ego and maybe he can finally get some strong finishes to wrap up the season. One last thing, Jimmie Johnson can kiss my ass! Way to bullshit your way to a 6th place finish when you were all the way in the back of the pack until ten to go! Had Newman not wrecked, he would still be in the top 25. And because of the misfourtunes of Gordon and Martin, Jimmie Johnson has locked up his shampionshit! 20. CFob posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Newman was right to rip Nascar for the yellow-line rule and the "no bump-drafting" rule since both are only selectively enforced...otherwise Brad Keselowski would of been penalized for running over his future teammate and triggering the big one at the end.What the hell were you thinking Brad???" Yeah, because Brad was bump drafting Kurt in which turn? It was the tri-oval, which, as ESPN mentioned repeatedly, was fair game for bump drafting. And with all those drivers racing in a huge pack like that, something was bound to go wrong. It's like you guys have never watched a plate race before. You're all aware there were three other ones this year, right? Congratulations to Jamie McMurray, however. He's one of my favorites and it's nice to see him pick up the win. And for anyone calling him a bust, I will direct your attention to David Ragan. He may be ten years younger than Jamie, but he's one year younger than Kyle Busch, but when Kyle was in his third year in Cup, he still had four wins to his credit. If Roush was going to cut a team it SHOULD have been Ragan. 21. Bronco posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "My problem with McMurray is that he's done NOTHING to justify driving for a top-tier team. He should be in a start-and-park ride." Neither has Ragan, Rollgano, or Mears. So why aren't you picking on any one of them? As for Bobby Labonte, while I don't like seeing him drive shitty race cars, he should have made smarter career choices, meaning leaving the Petty team last year as opposed to re-signing with them. "At least if EGR picks McMurray up to drive the 1 we won't have to worry about him winning a race next year." Um, he could just as easily win Talladega next year. 22. Cornys5 posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well at least here nobody is bashing the chase or restrictor plates like they are the problem... Well the plates are the problem... but without them it is not safe... I can't beleive that none of the drivers fell asleep... The drivers almost seamed to be boycoting the sanctioning body by going single file... yes... I counted them about 15 times... 36 cars going around in a line almost like a high velocity math problem... great... that's what I turned my T.V. on for today... Exciting last 5 laps... but I didn't like them... Mark Martin wrecks and Johnson lucks out and had all of the right numbers for the lotto. I'd pay $100 to see that race be re-done with out a sanctioning body at all... would have a lot more excitement... 23. Cornys5 posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "'At least if EGR picks McMurray up to drive the 1 we won't have to worry about him winning a race next year.' Um, he could just as easily win Talladega next year." Yeah... but anybody could.... heck... who said I couldn't do that? 24. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie was over hyped a first place. Jamie didn't win a race in the Nationwide series before he replace Marlin in 2002, due to Marlin's injury. Jamie was solid driver in the Nationwide series before racing in cup. Brewco Motorsports was not a great organization, but it wasn't a bad organization. Casey Atwood won 2 times in that car before Jamie took over in 2001. Jamie had been close in wins with him finishing 2nd 4 times. David Ragan's contract is supposedly up after 2011. David has been big disappointment this year after a good year last year. The truth is David didn't impress any one before going to cup full time in 2007. David was a rushed product and he was Mark's replacement due to potential. David wasn't impressive in the trucks series. Roush was known to great trucks in the series, but David only had a single top 5 in 19 races for2006, while Other Roush drivers that raced in the truck series had a combine 16 top 5's including Erik Darnell's 4. The problem with David is the fact he hasn't even finished 2nd or lead a good number of laps in a race. 25. New 14&88 Fan posted: 11.01.2009 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, because Brad was bump drafting Kurt in which turn? It was the tri-oval, which, as ESPN mentioned repeatedly, was fair game for bump drafting. And with all those drivers racing in a huge pack like that, something was bound to go wrong. It's like you guys have never watched a plate race before. You're all aware there were three other ones this year, right?" Actually,we have watched the other three plate races this year,and YES when you have 43 drivers running in a pack things can and will go wrong...but there's a difference between wanting to help a guy(in this case your future teammate for next year)and just plan running over him and causing a another big wreck. I don't believe Brad intentionally meant to turn Kurt,he just jacked up him up in the tri-oval like he wasn't even there...I don't consider Brad a wreckless driver but he should of used better judgment in that situation. 26. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I can't beleive that none of the drivers fell asleep... The drivers almost seamed to be boycoting the sanctioning body by going single file... yes... I counted them about 15 times... 36 cars going around in a line almost like a high velocity math problem... great... that's what I turned my T.V. on for today..." I agree with you and it did seem like the drivers were boycotting by going single file. I have bad feeling the Daytona 500 will be as bad or worse. Drivers don't like plate racing for several years. Not allowing bump drafting was the tip of the iceberg. I think the drivers will be in single file for most of the race for plate races now on. The drivers are doing single file racing and the drivers are probably hoping that less fans will be doing to plate tracks, so Nascar will change the rules at plate tracks or reconfigure the two tracks. 27. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad Keselowski consistenly starts wrecks nearly every week. Look at the last few weeks in the busch car. And now here, he takes out his future teammate Kurt Busch, and in the process flips his current teammate Mark Martin and costs him the title. Denny Hamlin could not have been more right. 28. 18fan posted: 11.01.2009 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jimmie Johnson is the biggest pussy in NASCAR. He already has an insurmountable point lead and he still races like a pussy. Brad Keselowski proved once again that his Talladega win was a fluke. He finished eighth because he wrecked 13 cars. NASCAR has ruined NASCAR and Jimmie Johnson has killed NASCAR. 29. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why are people blaming brad, when 83 Vickers got Keselowski in the left rear causing Keselowski to hit Bush? Even Espn during the race said the vickers caused Keselowski to hit bush. 30. Smokefan05 posted: 11.01.2009 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A real driver with talent doesn't win 4 races in a row at Rockingham. Rockingham is a DRIVERS RACETRACK. Jaime HAS talent, just no luck. I loved the fact that the driver boycotted NASCAR's "no bump drafting rule" by racing single file. The drivers screwed NASCAR over royally here. haha In terms of Brads wreck, Vickers hit him from behind and he hit Kurt which started the whole mess. And for anyone who thinks take the plates off, go ask Rusty Wallace how that would go. Mark Martin said it best "we are a victum of are own technology." 31. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.01.2009 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Jamie Mac. He deserved this win. That car was near the front most of the day. But this race was an absolute abortion. The no bump drafting rule through the corner ruined this one. Dale Jarrett pointed it out perfectly. NASCAR can'tmake up their mind what the hell they want. They want tight packs, they want lots of passing, but don't get too close!! What a bunch of crap. This race sucked. It is like the suits in NASCAR just sit around thinking of ways to screw everything up. Between Brian France, Mike Helton, Bruton Smith, Brett Bodine, and the other assholes, they have just screwed this whole thing up. We have a car that can produce side by side racing at most tracks, what can we do to fix this problem? I know, we'll create the COT. The fans love the track in Bristol, how can we turn it into just another race? I know, we'll reconfigure it to be a little Michigan. We have restrictor plate races which gets the fans excited, how can we fix this problem? I know, we'll drop a dumber than hell rule change on the drivers on RACE DAY MORNING to make sure they are too afraid to do anything until the last 20 laps, making 3 hours of pure boredom. And for the love of God, if NASCAR is gonna throw fake cautions in every race, at least throw them within everyone's final fuel window so you don't have 20 cars running out of gas on the track at once. The ending was a freaking mess. "Why are people blaming brad, when 83 Vickers got Keselowski in the left rear causing Keselowski to hit Bush?" Exactly. He's also the one that messed up Kurt's rear fender in the first place. Thank God everyone that crashed is alright. Especially Newman. And while he was upside down, history was made. Dr Jerry Punch actually relayed information to the viewer that was both relavent and informal. He described the extrication process of Newman perfectly. Overall though, yet another shameful NASCAR moment. 32. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And for everyone who loves McMurray...he has THREE wins. Big f**king deal. That's 2 wins more than Brett Bodine and 2 wins fewer than Michael "Walking Shill" Waltrip. McMurray is a midlin driver. 33. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Err middling. Mediocre, second-rate. 34. Kit posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A "bust" wouldn't have three victories, period." Actually, RR, Michael Waltrip has four victories and calling him a bust would be an understatement. "Who cares how many laps you lead? The only one that matters is the last one." Total laps lead is a good indication of a driver's dominance in the sport. "and caused a huge wreck in the tri-oval." Open your eyes, Vickers punched Brad from behind which caused the wreck. Anyway, regarding the race, it's hilarious and pathetic at the same time that NASCAR went out of their way to change the points system to make the sport "more competitive" for championships and it has done the EXACT opposite. How the f**k do they think the Chase will be more competitive when the first 26 races mean almost nothing? Are these guys educated at all? Jimmie Johnson isn't equal to Cale Yarborough; Johnson and the #48 just found a way to make the Chase work to their advantage. It's sickening that Johnson might actually be compared favorably to Dale Earnhardt someday. Jamie McMurray needed a win more than anybody on the track; unfortunately, he had to take it at Talladega. It would have helped his career a little more if he won it on a driver's track, but he should take what comes to him. Hopefully he'll build on this win and be competitive from here on out. I disagree with the Roush statements above; I don't feel that the #26 was ever on the same level as the #17 and #99. Hell, the Roush cars have a history of competing against each other. 35. Kit posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "he has THREE wins. Big f**king deal. That's 2 wins more than Brett Bodine and 2 wins fewer than Michael "Walking Shill" Waltrip." Waltrip has four wins. 4 - 3 = 1. Neal, I know McMurray hasn't exactly set Cup on fire but I don't quite understand why you have so much angst for him. I mean, it's not like he constantly tries to whore himself out and crashes into motorcyclists like Waltrip. 36. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man for some reason I thought Mikey had won 5 races. Now I need to apologize for giving him too much credit. 37. Neal posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit - It's not just McMurray. There are an assload of craptastic drivers out there clogging up rides. McMurray, Mears, Menard, Sorenson, Hornish, Ragan & Stremme all come to mind. Robby Gordon isn't worth a shit, either, but at least he's bringing down his own team. 38. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with the statements about Vickers starting that wreck. He hit Brad from behind, which is what triggered it. Instead of placing blame, we should just be happy everyone walked away. NASCAR needed to just stick with what was working in terms of restrictor-plate racing, but they just had to tamper with it continuously, and now they're trying everything to undo their mistake. 39. hyperacti posted: 11.01.2009 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael Waltrip only has 4 wins btw... it's just that at least 2 comments above this one imply that he has 5. Just clearing that up. This race doubled the number of COT's that have gone airborne this year: #99 Carl Edwards - Talladega #20 Joey Logano - Dover #39 Ryan Newman - Talladega #5 Mark Martin - Talladega It's been a year for flips, there have been at least two in the Nationwide series that I can think of and at least one in the Truck series. 40. hyperacti posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Robert Richardson - 18th Oh yeah and the Chase just doesn't make sense. How can a championship where you only have to be the best for ten races be worth more or the same as a championsip where you have to be the best for 36? Ironically, it has only made something like 75%-80% of the championships in recent years LESS competetive than they would be without the chase. If the chase didn't exist, we would be having the most epic points battles this decade. 2004 would've been a showdown between Gordon and his apprentice, Johnson. 2005 wouldn't have been that epic, but it would've been a popular championship nonetheless with Tony Stewart getting a 2nd cup for his fans. 2006 would've been the closest championship in history, a battle between the two drivers at Roush and Hendrick; 2007 would've been a very popular one with Jeff Gordon locking up his 6th (or 5th if Jimmie would've beat him in 2004, had things gone differently without the chase) championship, 2008 would've been another awesome fight between Hendrick and Roush, however this time it would be Johnson facing off against Edwards, another one comming down to the last race and the last laps; and this year, Gordon and Johnson are together currently comming down swiftly on Stewart's evaporating points lead, something that would surely be extremely great to watch over these final few races. A great heavyweight battle. It sucks that nascar lost all this drama by implementing the chase, Nascar would just be so awesome without it. 41. Mike posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It would have helped his career a little more if he won it on a driver's track" Talladega is not a driver's track? Hell, I think it takes more talent to win at tracks like Daytona and Talladega because 43 cars have a shot to win, not just 5-7 cars like you see at other tracks. Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon have won so many RP races for a reason. 42. RR posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Actually, RR, Michael Waltrip has four victories and calling him a bust would be an understatement." IMO, a bust is someone who accomplishes absolutely nothing in their series. Waltrip, as mediocre as he is, has won the biggest race in NASCAR twice. Loy Allen Jr. had some hype after winning the pole for the 500, but ended up with only one top ten finish. THAT'S a bust. 43. Bronco posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Total laps lead is a good indication of a driver's dominance in the sport." Agreed, but I was talking about was that it doesn't matter how few laps Jamie led when he won Daytona in 2007. I'm saying he led the right one(s). And if you think laps led is a good indication of a driver's dominance in the sport, well then maybe you should ease up on your Dale Jr bashing since has led a ton of laps in his career. Even in this disastrous year, he's led more than a lot of the guys ahead of him in points. "Hell, I think it takes more talent to win at tracks like Daytona and Talladega because 43 cars have a shot to win, not just 5-7 cars like you see at other tracks. Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon have won so many RP races for a reason." I completely agree. WTF is a "driver's track" anyway? Do the drivers drive the cars at some tracks and hit a mystery autopilot button at the others? Michael Waltrip scores his final top 10 most likely, and Bobby edges Dale Jr and gets a great tenth place finish for TRG. Elliott Sadler returns to Ford and gets a solid top 10 despite being in the Newman wreck. Also this was the first time the #36 team didn't start and park since Charlotte with Scott Riggs. 44. Smokefan05 posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I disagree with the Roush statements above; I don't feel that the #26 was ever on the same level as the #17 and #99. Hell, the Roush cars have a history of competing against each other." 100% agree here. #17, #99 and #16 have had the best the Jack can give them, #26 not so much. 45. DaleJrFan18 posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Doak Winston - Oh that's mature, f**king bigot And Neal, I still don't understand your hate for all the "bust" drivers. It's alot better to have them win than having Kryle Busch and Jimmie Johnson winning race in and race out. 46. Red posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I used to like restrictor plate racing, but like many of you have already said, Nascar has made a joke of it recently. The finishing order bears almost no resemblence to who actually ran up front. That being said, Jamie deserved to win, he led the most laps and was clearly one of the best cars at the end. It made me sick to see Jimmie Ride-at-the-Back Johnson luck into a 6th place finish, while Mark raced his ass off all day only to get wrecked and finish 28th. Next spring the drivers ought to boycott the race like they did in 1969. That would be awesome, but the sponsors would never let it happen. I think the #48 has been the best team this year and deserves the title, but damn the Chase format has made it anticlimactic. And supposedly the COT is getting a redesigned nose for 2011; I wonder how Nascar will screw that up. 47. Smokefan05 posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) +1 too DaleJrFan18 Doak Winston, people like you make me sick. 48. Brad posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR is a complete joke. I've been watching NASCAR for over 15 years and I've never seen a race at Talladega like this before. In my mind, Jimmie Johnson is NOT true champion. He hasn't won 4 championships in a row, he's won 4 CHASES(Not official yet but it's pretty much over). Nobody can run outside the top 30 and come back within the last few laps and finish in the top 10. Go to last weeks race at Martinsville, and look at my post and read what I've got for a suggestion for a "good playoff system." It's comment #24 http://www.racing-reference.info/comments?id=2009-32&s=W It's times like this I wish Dale Earnhardt Sr. was still alive. He probably would not be driving, but he would still be involved in the sport. There would be no "Chase for the Championship", and there damn sure wouldn't be no Car of Tomorrow. If he was still alive NASCAR would not be in the shape it is in. Bill France Sr. and Bill Frnace Jr. have probably rolled over in their graves after seeing what Brian France has done to NASCAR. P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C. But on a good note, congrats to Jamie McMurray on today's win. I hope this gives him a boost on finding a ride for next year. Nice run for Robert Richardson as well in his Cup debut (18th). This was actually the best finish all season for Tommy Baldwin Racing. It was good to see non-chasers like Mears, Earnhradt Jr., Harvick, Sadler, and Stremme run up front today. This was also the first chase race win by a non-chase driver since Greg Biffle at Kansas in 2007. 49. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mark Martin caught major air and almost flipped at Talladega in 1991 during the big one in the spring race. In this race Talladega finally finished the job, he rolled on his lid during the Green-White-Checker of this one. This is Mark's second flip in NASCAR, he rolled at Sonoma in 1989. This is also the fourth time Ryan Newman has gotten the wheels off the ground. He flipped in this race and the 2003 Daytona 500, rolled on his side during a practice at Watkins Glen in 2003 and caught major air during a "big one" early in a spring race at Talladega 50. Unser1 posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie McMurray commented in victory lane how both his victories in the #26 Ford have been with Irwin Tools paint jobs and somewhat apologized for not winning one in his usual Crown Royal colors 51. RR posted: 11.01.2009 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "100% agree here. #17, #99 and #16 have had the best the Jack can give them, #26 not so much." Ted Musgrave was a pretty damn good driver, and gave Jack Roush some good finishes from 1994-1996. Then, Roush pretty much gave all the good stuff to Martin and Burton. I don't think Ted Musgrave is a "bust". Johnny Benson finished 11th in points with Bahari in 1997 (sorta like McMurray was 11th in 2004). He had two of his worst seasons in Cup with Roush, and then almost wins the 500 right after he leaves. He then runs well for a few with with MB2 of all teams. Roush does have a history of inconsistencies between its own teams. the #26 is no different. 52. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Part of the reason Talladega isn't a driver's track is the fact handling doesn't come to play here. The track is more likely to get fluke winners than any other truck on the circuit as a result of handling not being a factor. Take a look at the following winners of Talladega events that have less than 10 wins. Richard Brickhouse - didn't raced a lot of cup races and didn't raced in good equipment. Pete Hamilton - All 4 of his wins were at Daytona and Talladega. Past injuries made him retire early. He did good in very good equipment. Petty Enterpises and Cotton owens equipment isn't exactly know for bad equipment back in the day. Not a Dega creation due to the fact he lead laps at other tracks, but the equipment couldn't last at those tracks with him as a driver. I think Pete had the capabilities to win at least 8 wins in his career. James Hylton - independent driver that only had 2 wins. If he had better equipment, I think he would win more races. Not a dega creation. Dick Brooks - Journeyman driver Dave Marcis - only has 5 career wins. Dave was an independent driver. Dave won 3 other races when he with Nord Krauskopf and Nord had pretty good equipment. The problem is the equipment had problems to hold together. If the equipment was as good now in reliability, Dave could win at least 5 or 6 races in 1976 instead of 3. If Dave raced with more top with a top team, he would be considered a very good driver that would have at least 10 wins in his career. He was not a Dega creation. Lennie Pond - Harry Ranier had great equipment back in the late 1970's to the time he sold the team to Robert Yates. No excuse for not having a win outside Dega. He was a solid driver though. Ron Bouchard - solid driver, his win was a fluke though. He was competive, but I think his win was dega creation. Bobby Hillin, Jr. - he didn't race for race organizations. Bobby Allison got all his 3 wins with the Stavola Brothers at Daytona and dega. His win was a fluke, but he didn't the best equipment. He was great at dega despite the equipment. I think he was a plate creation due to the race teams he was with. Phil Parsons - He never was on a great team. People thought he got screwed in 1989 by having his car owner switching teams on him, so Harry Gant could do well in 1989. I don't think he would a lot of races anyway in cup. I think he was plate race creation. Ken Schrader - won races out of dega. Ken was a great superspeedway driver for a time. He won Daytona 125 races back in the 1980's and Bud Shoutout races. Ken wasn't bad at Hendrick and had some bad luck. Ken was a solid driver driver up to 1998. Not a true Dega creation. Jimmy Spencer - His only 2 wins were on plate tracks. Jimmy Spencer was not a Dega creation. Jimmy was very good at some tracks. His problem is the fact he didn't always race smart and was on average teams. He was not a dega creation. Talented driver that wasted his talent. Bobby Hamilton - not a Dega creation. Bobby was on teams that were the decline by the team he was hired or they never won prior. Bobby was an underrated driver. Michael Waltrip- plate creation. He only 1 race that was dominate at outside of plate racing. He was close to wining non plate tracks with DEI, but DEI made him better than he actually is. Dale Jr. actually has more pure talent than Micheal Waltrip even. That is how bad micheal is before Micheal getting involved in crashes outside of the race track. Brian Vickers - at this time, Vickers is a dega creation to a point. Vickers is a solid driver, but he has a big problem. He has problems closing the deal on wins because he has problems with surrounds on the race track. His Michigan win was a fluke. Brad Keselowski - people blamed him today on something he didn't cause, but Vickers did. It is to early to call him a dega creation. Jamie McMurray - Jamie was better at Ganassi than Roush. Roush doesn't give all his teams great equipment. When Jamie was with Chip, he was very good at driver's tracks at a time that Ganassi was on their way down. Not a dega creation. Roush had problems at tracks that aren't cookie cutter and plate tracks at times. Roush is very up and down and isn't a great owner despite his wins. The owner just doesn't give all his teams equal equipment. That is the usual issue with Roush. 53. Mike posted: 11.01.2009 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anonymous, That's the thing about Talladega. Drivers that are normally not in contention for wins are up front contending. That's why I think it takes tons of talent to win at these type of tracks. Like I said Gordon and Earnhardt have won so many RP races for a reason, and those weren't fluke wins by any means. 54. Bronco posted: 11.01.2009 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Part of the reason Talladega isn't a driver's track is the fact handling doesn't come to play here. The track is more likely to get fluke winners than any other truck on the circuit as a result of handling not being a factor." So what if handling isn't important at Talladega? Different tracks require cars to be set up differently. At Talladega, horsepower and aerodynamics are important. Last week at Martinsville, brakes and being able to rotate the car in the center of the corner are important. As far as I know, a driver has to drive the car at every racetrack, whether its Daytona or Darlington. So I'm not sure what exactly a "driver's track" is. If anything, Talladega is more of a driver's track rather than anything else, considering that you can win or get a good finish even if your car is crap. Bobby Labonte got a top 10 today in a crap car because he made all the right moves. 55. rw posted: 11.01.2009 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brad Keselowski proved once again that his Talladega win was a fluke. He finished eighth because he wrecked 13 cars" The kid is running a part-time schedule! at least he's running in the Top 10 and showing he can at least finish in the top 15, he may not win next year but the year after that I guarentee you a win. Props to Waltrip and Bobby Labonte for getting Top 10s and Robert Richardson, finishing 18th in his 1st race even if it is a plate race. 56. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How did Doak Winstons comment (#40) get approved by the moderator. That needs to be reamoved imidiatley. Also congrdulations to Robert Richardson, avoiding the carnage and fiishing better in his first cup start then he does in most of his busch races. Also Nascar needs to reprimand Brad Keselowski, ever since he won here before he has become a very rough driver and could reallyhurt someone. 57. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2009 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, You have much different meaning of a Driver's track than I do. A driver's track is not supposed to be mostly aerodynamics, which the two plate tracks are. There is drafting involve, but aero doesn't play very big role at the two tracks besides drafting. A car without good aerodynamics at the two plate tracks is a big problem in order to keep it in the draft or having the damaged car fixed up well enough to draft with. A driver's trick is supposed to be a track that is less on aerodynamics and more on driver like shorts tracks,Darlington, Dover, New Hampshire, Phoenix, road courses. Aero push really isn't usually a problem at those tracks. Passing happens if the car is set up right. Places like Atlanta aren't considered Driver's tracks, but are Engineering tracks just like plate tracks are. 58. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2009 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, Bobby got a top 10 because he wasn't involved in the big one at the end. The only skill he showed was avoiding the big one. How do you explain the 2002 Aaron's 312 at Talladega with only 3 cars on the lead lead lap due to a 29 car wreck. Id you don't believe see http://www.racing-reference.info/race?id=2002-08&series=B . According to your logic, a driver that finishes 9th and being 7 laps down takes a lot of skill because he finished a races that a lot of the other cars were destroyed or in the garage for a long time for getting repairs down because of a 29 car wreck. 59. CFob posted: 11.02.2009 - 12:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also Nascar needs to reprimand Brad Keselowski, ever since he won here before he has become a very rough driver and could reallyhurt someone. " Weird how Brad gets so much more negativity hurled his way after making a step out from Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s shadow. Yes Brad an aggressive driver, but he's far from the worst. Look at his Memphis win the other week: coming down to the line Kyle Busch practically dumped him, but Brad held on to take the win. He is an aggressive driver, I'm not disputing that. But at least he's going for it. I suppose you all would prefer a driver who pussyfoots around the track like Jimmie Johnson did all day, as opposed to a driver who is going after the win? You all pine for the days of Dale Earnhardt, and Brad is the closest things to a Dale Earnhardt-esque driver out there today. He's exciting as hell to watch and in my opinion one of the best drivers out there. 60. Desert Racer posted: 11.02.2009 - 12:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Jamie. Anyone of the remaining 42 could've also won if Jamie can win. But congrats are due for being in the right place. The race was boring as hell. Heard some driver joking about put'n on the cruise control. Chase has certainly spoiled the true racing spirit more than plate racing. JJ was just racing to keep the points, not win. Any system that rewards holding back is not a true competitive sport. Kills the excitement. 61. Larry posted: 11.02.2009 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby raced smart. Like he does every time he races at a restictor plate. I don't think there are many drivers that are better then him at drafting. He just seems to have terrible luck at those tracks the last eight years. As for NASCAR, it's getting so pathetic. They think they know what really is needed and doing that they've pretty much destroyed their own sport. NASCAR was great up to 2004. After that it's been nothing but a joke. Fans do not like the Chase, drivers do not like the chase. Fans like seeing the driver drive. Not NASCAR telling them how to drive. Telling a driver who got to the top racing sport in the world by driving the way he always has how to drive his own car!!! I wouldn't really put it past them to run sing file much more than today for the next several RP races. They did it today and what does NASCAR say? "There's always a point during the race they calm down." WOW! They know EVERYTHING. In my opinion the last great NASCAR season was 2003. 62. ebraman posted: 11.02.2009 - 1:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad #49, I completely agree. I got into the sport in 87, and was more than pleased with its progress through the 90's but it seems after Brian France took over, decision after decision that he's heading are retarded. They overreacted to Kenseth's title in 03 when we had a great one in 02, and by so doing has basically taken the importance out of being good for an entire year, just as long as your in the chase to contend. It's no so much I dislike Johnson (im a Gordon fan by the way) but I dislike how the media strokes his ego so to speak. Like today during the race, every fve damn minutes they thought it was important to update where johnson was running...even though he was still in the back. I respected championships before the chase because a team earned them. I may not be a fan of the driver, but I could respect the accomplishment because they were good ALL year and earned it. as in regards to Restrictor plate racing, I'm watching the 98 diehard 500 right now and the racing is fantastic. The driver's have control and actually have think to make a pass. a race is something that requires more than drving around passing each other, it involves intelligent decisions and overall outsmarting a competitor (tortoise and the hare), its more about thinking correctly than driving. If we want to fix the problem of restrictor plate racing here's how 1. Get rid of the wing. its gay first of all and does not suit "stock" cars and it adds to the problem of the cars getting airborne. simple physics will tell it adds lift more than a spoiler. 2. Smaller plates are a NO. Open up the plates give them throttle response, sure they'll go faster but they'll race smarter. In the old RP races of the late 90's they were going about 195-200 but you didn't them go airborne 4 times a race. They might occasionally but only after incidental contact or failure. They won't feel as forced to make a pass. 3. I don't want to them single file, but I don't want them 4 wide 10 rows deep. It's almost boring because they can't go anywhere, I wanna see drivers making well timed and thought out passes that require talent, not just a shove. I've always been a fan other aero package of Fall 2000-2001 with roof deflector...much like the Nationwide series today. Try some variation of that with a little less drag so they're no handling too well 4. Dump the dumbass rules. First the yellow line rule. Similar to today, it was enacted on the morning of the 2001 talladega 500 after the busch race the day before where drivers were going way below the line. Well first of all it was busch drivers for the most part, not as smart as cup drivers. I see the rule as bottling the drivers into a tighter space. Where they used to go below the line was on the backstretch where's its level with the track, not a big deal. Drivers were usually smart about it and wrecks were seldom. They do the exact same thing today just above the line. They still go four wide but now they're more tightly bound and the chances of wreck are increased, and with today's morons, it will happen. Drivers can respect each other, just give them a chance, as Newman said. Big wrecks have always been part of daytona and talladega, before plates and with them....they will NEVER go away, so NASCAR stop thinking you fix everything be/c u screw it up 95% of the time. Go back to the old system, change the bodies up so they're not all similar (which is why we have excessive bump drafting because they line up too well), fire the two butt buddies of Helton and France, and go back to the Rock. After Gordon retires im done watching but I would like to know its not going to complete shit. We had some of the best racing throughout the 90's, go back watch those races and make the necessary adjustments 63. 18fan posted: 11.02.2009 - 1:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As Bobby Hamilton said, "Brad Keselowski isn't a scab on Dale Earnhardt's butt." 64. Bronco posted: 11.02.2009 - 1:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A driver's trick is supposed to be a track that is less on aerodynamics and more on driver like shorts tracks,Darlington, Dover, New Hampshire, Phoenix, road courses." So according to your logic, Kahne, Edwards, Earnhardt Jr, Kenseth, Biffle must not be very good drivers since the majority of their wins have come at superspeedways and intermediates, in other words the so called non-driver tracks. All I'm saying is there's no such thing as a "driver's track." You have to drive the damn car no matter where you go, as far as I know there's no autopilot button. Different tracks have different characteristics and some drivers do better at some tracks than others. "today during the race, every fve damn minutes they thought it was important to update where johnson was running...even though he was still in the back." Thank you for bringing that up. That was totally disgusting. Instead of showing us the lead changes that were going on, they decided to show us a 30th place car just because he was leading the fake points. I also agree with your points about the rules. Racing at RP tracks will always have massive wrecks, nothing the driver's say or nothing NASCAR does will ever change that. 65. petty43 posted: 11.02.2009 - 1:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) prior to this race jamie had led 1 lap all year, ah ya gotta love eastaboga baby. bad race, bad finish, bad brad. 66. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2009 - 1:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) To all those people who think Brad didn't cause that last wreck, have a look at this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzl_RNFKpM Freeze at 3:10 and you can see the headlights of all the cars there, except Brad who decided to wipe out the field on the last lap. 67. SHRfan posted: 11.02.2009 - 1:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2nd race in a row at talladega that brad keselowski causes a big wreck, but this time he killed the championship for Mark Martin, and on top of that, Winey Ass Little Faggot (aka Jimmie Johnson) finishes 6th after failing to pass cars under green for christ sake! Even if jimmie wins a 4th champion$hip, I don't think he has near the talent of Cale Yearborough, David Pearson, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, even Kyle Busch. His entire career has been handed too him by pure luck. Good to see Newman and Martin walk away, but their wrecks could have been worse I guess. 68. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2009 - 2:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You all pine for the days of Dale Earnhardt, and Brad is the closest things to a Dale Earnhardt-esque driver out there today. He's exciting as hell to watch and in my opinion one of the best drivers out there." Exactly. He also worked his way up to the Cup Series by skill, and has sponsors wanting to back him for that skill. The way he and Denny Hamlin (even though I can't stand that little turd, Denny did come up the hard way) broke through is as close to Dale Sr as you will get nowadays. It's not like he's had everything handed to him like Joey Logano and Scott Speed have. 69. Art posted: 11.02.2009 - 5:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talladega has been good to the no-namers this year. 70. John Royal posted: 11.02.2009 - 6:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to #48 for fourth championship. Nice to see you going for fifth next season :-) The race was disgrace. There was discussion about Newmans flip and how the wing affected it, actually if you take a close look of the COT's wing you'll see that if direction of car is reversed, the wing works AS A WING generating lots of aero lift. Old style spoiler generated also little bit lift, but not nearly as much. But of course, cars getting airborne can never be eliminated when speeds are 180mph and more. But NASCAR should take closer look of the rollcages, Newmans roof crushed down in this wreck, but what if somehow another car would have crashed in to roof section at full speed? That could happen and it is not good thing. NASCAR should maybe consider Pro Stock style rollcages to give better protection for driver. 71. Josh posted: 11.02.2009 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, one for the record books as NASCAR f**ks drivers over again and gives Jimmie Johnson another undeserved championship. They have officially driven me away from this season as I am not going to watch the other 3 races. Hell, I may be done forever, because NASCAR is screwballing Johnson into a legendary status when he doesn't deserve half the recognition that he has attained. Even Jeff Gordon appears to be getting sick of him when he was saying that he wasn't there to help the 5 or 48 but to help himself. Wish a true 4 time champion would have won... 72. DaleJrFan18 posted: 11.02.2009 - 7:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "To all those people who think Brad didn't cause that last wreck, have a look at this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzl_RNFKpM Freeze at 3:10 and you can see the headlights of all the cars there, except Brad who decided to wipe out the field on the last lap." A. That's because of the camera angle dipshit. Anyone with a brainstem knows that. B. Don't mind Brian Vickers in the background smacking the back of Brad, thus making him wiggle. C. Nice try I hate when people find a scapegoat. 73. petty43 posted: 11.02.2009 - 9:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) hey josh just to let you know. jimmmie would be leading in the old points also and he has had a better season this year than any other driver. i am not a huge fan of his, but i am kind of glad we have him to prevent guys like hamlin, jpm, kyle, kurt,carl, harvick, junior, and other truly undeserving turds from winnings a championship in the chase. Also i challenge anyone here to name 3 drivers in the sport right now that you really think have more talent. i would say there might be two. maybe. 74. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2009 - 9:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Today's Nascar is to stupid to realize the wing is causing the cars to fly more. Making changes to the front of the car could be good if it is done right. Smaller plates wouldn't fix the problem with cars go flying like the race showed, the wing needs to reduced or get a rid of for plate racing. 75. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2009 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad didnt break through old school style. His dad was a truck series driver, and a good one at that. He came into Nascar through a family team, and thats why he gt his break. He didnt earn it like Dale Earnhardt. It is completely ridiculous to even mention Brad and Dale in the same sentence. 76. Sunoco posted: 11.02.2009 - 10:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The race wasn't THAT boring. Remember, there were 60 leadchanges. 77. Zed 3_88fan4eva posted: 11.02.2009 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Im starting to believe that Im the only one that thought yesterdays race wasnt terrible...I mean 60 lead changes is awesome....remember for a few years there would only be 20 or so The thing that makes me mad is how drivers cant seem to bump draft without turning each other around.....I swear I remember the plate races from the fall Talladega in 2000 through the 500 in 2002 where drivers would slam the hell outta each other and before the yellow line rule run all the way into the grass. I dont want to sound like a backseat driver but the drivers today arent as talanted or just dont have the skill that they used to......Its not the car or the track but the drivers. I think NASCAR does need to do somthin about the wing on the back because I believe it is causing cars to sail into the air. Now in the Mark Martin wreck when a car gets nailed in the quarter-panel like it did it will roll in anycar whether it is the COY COT or an 80's style car. And I like whosever idea it was to look at Pro Stock style rollcages on the cars because in many pro stock crashes that I can remember the roof hasnt collapsed even at 200 mph NASCAR also needs to look at, and I know this sounds crazy, but making the hole on the plate larger and let them reach 205-210 if they want to split the packs up...but then again only maybe five drivers or so could handle that. Everyone complains that Jimmie Johnson is being handed all these championchips is total bull....He is just taking the chase and using it to his advantage. And all this crap everytime someone other than the top-tier guys win a race on how they luck into it, (Reutimann-Charlotte, Logano-Loudon or McMurray yesterday) In all three cases both ran at the front most of the day and put themselves in position to win. No win is a fluke ok So enough of ranting Im gonna talk about the race now Great run for Mikey, Sadler and ageless Bobby Labonte who is showing that he still can run well. And a good for Robert Richardson. Also Andretti had he not ran out of fuel was possibly in line for a Top 15 Anyway it wasnt a terrible race....but NASCAR definatley needs to look at the cars and drivers need to look at themselves before they over-react and kill plate racing like they almost did in the late 90's 78. Desert Racer posted: 11.02.2009 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @Sunoco, number of lead changes do not make a race. It's more telling when the points leader sits back and does not race to win. 79. DaleJrFan18 posted: 11.02.2009 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I admit it was a good race too. Just kind of got overshadowed by all the bullshit that ensued 80. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2009 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "WOW! They know EVERYTHING. In my opinion the last great NASCAR season was 2003." I agree. That was the last season with a true championship season where all 36 races meant something, the last season with two Rockingham races, the last season with the Labor Day Southern 500 at Darlington, and the last season where more than 3 or 4 teams can compete week in and week out. DaleJrFan18, you are absolutely right in your response to "Anonymous". Brad was trying to push his future teammate to the front, but Brian Vickers hit him, putting him at a bad angle, which triggered the wreck. And look, I like Brad a lot. And you all know what I think of Dale Sr. But anyone being compared to Big E will come out in a negative light (except Pearson). We will never, ever have another Dale Sr. We need to quit looking for one. The way he entered the sport can never be replicated. Drivers nowadays are groomed from childhood for this. We just have to appreciate all the wonderful memories Dale gave us, and look forward to somebody else giving us some good memories too. Watching Brad ruffle the feathers of the established but whiny drivers this year has been awesome to watch. Let's not mess this up by comparing him, or anyone else to Dale. The structure of the sport doesn't allow for it anyways. Look, I still wear #3 stuff all the time, but I'm not looking for the "next Earnhardt". I want somebody unique. 81. Dion posted: 11.02.2009 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will be like the 4th person to say this...but CONGRATS to ROBERT RICHARDSON!!! Not much expected from him, some people probably thought he was going to start and park, yet he runs the whole race and finishes 18th in his debut race. Not bad for a guy who has been mid pack in the truck and nationwide series and makes his cup debut with a start and park team and runs the whole race pretty well all things considered. He was only in one accident (the last one) and still made it out with a top 20. Heck of a run, drove it smart and gave Tommy his best finish of the year and the teams first lead lap finish I think. I am really proud of the guy, starting 41st and finishing 18th...a pretty veteran race for a rookie 82. CFob posted: 11.02.2009 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brad didnt break through old school style. His dad was a truck series driver, and a good one at that. He came into Nascar through a family team, and thats why he gt his break. He didnt earn it like Dale Earnhardt. It is completely ridiculous to even mention Brad and Dale in the same sentence. " Bullshit. I watched Brad race a Factory Stock back in 2000 at the Dixie Motor Speedway in Birch Run, Michigan. He also raced at the Auto City (MI) Speedway, a track that, if you can survive the idiots there, you're pretty damn good. I once saw him have to practically fight his way out of the pits one night because he got dumped, and instead of rolling over and taking it, he went and returned the favor, despite the fact Brad was MAYBE 16 years old and outweighed by a good 150lbs. by the guy he retaliated against. Sure, his family had a NASCAR connection, but tell me, how competitive was the K Automotive team when Brad started driving for them? I watched Brad come up as a driver, he started racing practically in my backyard. So, before you start shooting off at the mouth, do some fact checking, friend, because almost everything you said was wrong. 83. Bronco posted: 11.02.2009 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I admit it was a good race too. Just kind of got overshadowed by all the bullshit that ensued" I too thought it was a good race overall. 60 lead changes and 25 different drivers is simply incredible. I also liked how Stremme, Robby Gordon, Harvick, Sadler, Mears, Dale Jr (for all the right reasons this time) got some TV time as opposed to openly the top 12 being shown. It pissed me off that every 5 minutes they would update Johnson's position and his plans (as if anyone cared), but I enjoy seeing other people run up front for a change. Cars have been flipping at Talladega for years. I'm not sure why there's so much fuss about it these days. These drivers get paid millions for a reason, they need to quit crying about things. I do think NASCAR's pre-race edict was totally ridiculous and impossible to enforce, and there were dull moments in the race when Mears and Harvick led the single file parade on the high side, but I'd take 500 miles here over 500 laps at Martinsville or 500 miles next week at Texas any day. I wish they would stop talking about lowering the banking (which would make Talladega longer version of Michigan/Fontana) or making more aero changes to the cars. Robert Richardson did a great job with an underfunded team, too bad ESPN forgot that he existed. 84. Kit posted: 11.02.2009 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brad didnt break through old school style. His dad was a truck series driver, and a good one at that. He came into Nascar through a family team, and thats why he gt his break. He didnt earn it like Dale Earnhardt. It is completely ridiculous to even mention Brad and Dale in the same sentence." Bullshit. I actually met the Keselowskis way back when. They are nothing if not old school racers. Dale Earnhardt's father was a driver, so I do NOT understand your gist about "family teams." 85. Smokefan05 posted: 11.02.2009 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cars have been flipping at Talladega for years. I'm not sure why there's so much fuss about it these days. These drivers get paid millions for a reason, they need to quit crying about things." Exactly Bronco, where was it when Tony was going for a ride at Daytona in 01 or when E.Sadler went for TWO rides at Tally in 03 and 04 or when Ryan Newman (the man of the hour) went flipping at Daytona in 03? Where was the outrage then????????????????? Or did no one care???????????? Kenny S. made a great point on Windtunnle Extra last night. he said "For once the drivers used their heads out there. They set themselves up until it was time to go." I agree with him 1000% YOu can't expect a race to be exciting for 100% of the race, you can't. It isn't possible. They waitied until the money was on the line and then went for it. This race was the fall 07 race all over again. Single file racing most of the race then with about 10 to go the racing started. 86. Kit posted: 11.02.2009 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Agreed, but I was talking about was that it doesn't matter how few laps Jamie led when he won Daytona in 2007." Sure it does, it means he didn't dominate the race. 87. calegale posted: 11.02.2009 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Greg Biffle's first top 5 at Talladega. He has now scored a top 5 at every track currently on the schedule except for Martinsville. 88. jp posted: 11.02.2009 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ragan is nothing but shit. Jamie is a carbon copy of Waltrip, and Keselowski is too aggressive. The damn chase does need to die. NASCAR is going to hell in a handbasket, nothing more, nothing less. 89. Talon64 posted: 11.02.2009 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was not only Jamie's 3rd career win but his 30th career top five. For those who are ragging on him and calling him a bust, Jamie is one of only 177 drivers to win a Cup race since the series first started in 1949 and he's tied for 89th all time. This is out of the 2855 drivers to ever start a Cup race. Two rookies ended up scoring the most points at Talledega this year: Brad Keselowski with a win and an 8th place finish and Joey Logano with a 9th and a 3rd. Them, Biffle and Burton were the only drivers to finish in the top ten in both races this year. This was only Kahne's 2nd top ten at Talledega but they're both runner-up finishes and both resulted from late wrecks (2006 runner-up was the Vickers win). Joey Logano gets his 2nd top five in the last 3 races after only having 1 in the first 30 races of the season. He moved up to 19th in the standings, 114 points ahead of Harvick who's 21st. Top 20 in points was the goal at the beginning of the year for Joey and the 20 team. Jeff Burton gets his first top ten in the last 19 races and first top five in the last 23. Jimmie Johnson has a chance of being the first driver to finish in the top 10 in all 10 Chase races. Kurt Busch had 9 top tens in 2004. His 6th place finish gives him an average finish of 3.4 in the Chase this year. Michael Waltrip had his first top ten since the Daytona 500. The most top tens he has at any track is Talledega with 14 in 47 starts, and 2nd is Daytona with 13 in 46. This was Keselowski's 3rd top ten in 5 races in the 09, two of them at Talledega which also includes his win. James Finch only had 7 top tens in 100 entries before this season. Elliott Sadler's last race in a Ford before this weekend was with Robert Yates Racing when he finished 7th at Watkins Glen. 119 races later his first race back in a Ford is a 9th. This was TRG's first ever top ten in Cup in 32 races this season. Although their average finish this season has been 33.8 due to some start and parks with other drivers, B-Lab's average finish in 4 starts is 23.2. Labonte's average finish in 29 starts with Yates is 25.2. Robert Richardson Jr.'s 18th place finish in his Cup debut is one of his best ever finishes in NASCAR period. His best career finish in Nationwide and the Trucks have also come at Talledega with a 16th this year in NW and 16th in 2006 in Trucks his best. He only has 1 top 20 finish at a track other than Talledega in 70 starts in NASCAR's top 3 series. 90. Talon64 posted: 11.02.2009 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sadler's 7th place Glen finish was in 2006. 91. carlEfan99 posted: 11.02.2009 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a question. Why did nascar slow the cars down in the first place? I know it's because of Carl's wreck in April but that's beside the point. His crash and Ryan's crash are GOING TO HAPPEN! Nascar can't really slow these cars down anymore without ruining the awesomeness of Talladega. Even if they slow the speeds even more, Mark's type of flip will keep happening. I say, bring back a bigger restrictor plate and let them fight it out at 200+. Because how slow the cars are doesn't make a difference. 92. jr88fan posted: 11.02.2009 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman's flip was a "YouTube moment" 93. Talon64 posted: 11.02.2009 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stremme is out of the 12 and Brad Keselowski is in for the final 3 races of the season. I don't know why Penske didn't make the switch the day they announced they'd signed Keselowski. 94. 18fan posted: 11.02.2009 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano did not run up front all day, he was in the 20s most of the race at Loudon. 95. Talon64 posted: 11.02.2009 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano was up front and in the back as often as anybody was during the race but he made his way into the top five a few times. It says something about Joey that he can survive Talledega as a 19 year old while veteran drivers wreck each other out. 96. 18fan posted: 11.02.2009 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talon, I was talking about Loudon, when he won. He did a great job at both Talladega races this year, that is for sure. 97. Talon64 posted: 11.02.2009 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought the first part was about Dega and the second part was about his win. Bobby Labonte just needs one more top ten to reach 200 for his career. Hopefully he'll get a ride next year so he can do it. 98. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2009 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with giving the cars a bigger plate. There needs a needs to change to the car in some way though. Cars went airbone before the cot, but I didn't recall them happening at non plate tracks earlier this decade. I think there is something the car that is causing that to happen. I don't think a change to the nose of the cot in cup will help much in cars not going airborne. It could a combination of things: 1.) Cars are going airborne because of the wing and the roof flap isn't doing enough to keep them on the ground. 2.) It could be the design or the weight of the chassis or the body of the car. 99. Bronco posted: 11.02.2009 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Stremme is out of the 12 and Brad Keselowski is in for the final 3 races of the season. I don't know why Penske didn't make the switch the day they announced they'd signed Keselowski." I don't like that move at all. Stremme drove his ass off in this race, and was actually the guy that McMurray made the winning pass on. Heck the least they could do is keep him in the car until Homestead. I really don't get the reasoning behind letting a clown like Sideways Sam keep his ride even though he has performed just as bad as Stremme this year. 100. carlEfan99 posted: 11.02.2009 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blowovers will happen. Nothing nascar can do about it. Hell, there was a blowover at charlotte of all places years back. The roof flaps did jack for newman if you watch the video. 101. CFob posted: 11.02.2009 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really don't get the reasoning behind letting a clown like Sideways Sam keep his ride even though he has performed just as bad as Stremme this year. " David Stremme 2009 Statistics: Wins- 0 Top 5s- 0 Top 10s- 0 Points Position- 31st Sam Hornish, Jr. 2009 Statistics: Wins- 0 Top 5s- 2 Top 10s- 7 Rank- 29th 102. Bronco posted: 11.02.2009 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CFob, Sam may be the one with 7 top 10s, but he also has a whopping 17 finishes of 30th or worse, which to me negates any merit those top 10s might have. Some of them haven't been his fault I agree, but 17 is still a ridiculous amount to have. Sam's average finish is nearly identical to David, and Sam is barely ahead of him in the points, so I don't know what's the sense in him having a ride. I'd much rather see Jamie McMurray or Bobby Labonte take over the #77. JPM did much better than Sam in his rookie year with a mediocre team. 103. Frank posted: 11.03.2009 - 2:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because brave espn crew didn't gave us more, I've watched the only view of 83-09-2 incident many times. Still no evidence of which guilt it was. Are there someone who was at the stands or just has the better view? As Kurt's fan, I'm very insterested in this moment... And NASCAR should show black flag to #83 immediately when he crossed the line before #26 going to gwc. If so, maybe we've had fight to the finish. 104. Kit posted: 11.03.2009 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't like that move at all. Stremme drove his ass off in this race, and was actually the guy that McMurray made the winning pass on. Heck the least they could do is keep him in the car until Homestead." When Stremme drives his ass off, he takes five cars out of the race. 105. Kit posted: 11.03.2009 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talon, I don't believe McMurray is a bust but I don't agree with your statistics. "For those who are ragging on him and calling him a bust, Jamie is one of only 177 drivers to win a Cup race since the series first started in 1949 and he's tied for 89th all time. This is out of the 2855 drivers to ever start a Cup race." That's nothing to brag about, really. Hell, Michael Waltrip is above McMurray on that list. 106. Kit posted: 11.03.2009 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Michael Waltrip had his first top ten since the Daytona 500. The most top tens he has at any track is Talledega with 14 in 47 starts, and 2nd is Daytona with 13 in 46." Wow, he sucks. Obviously that third place finish he had back in the early 90s at Darlington was with a team that cheated. 107. Kit posted: 11.03.2009 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Freeze at 3:10 and you can see the headlights of all the cars there" Cup cars don't have headlights. 108. Frank posted: 11.03.2009 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As they don't have doors but we always say and hear from time to time "hit to the door". I think it's OK and headlights stickers I guess has mandatory position... 109. Willy on Wheels posted: 11.03.2009 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "For those who are ragging on him and calling him a bust, Jamie is one of only 177 drivers to win a Cup race since the series first started in 1949 and he's tied for 89th all time. This is out of the 2855 drivers to ever start a Cup race." That's nothing to brag about, really. Hell, Michael Waltrip is above McMurray on that list. One more and he's tied, 2 more and he's past Michael Waltrip. And he's 13 years younger and has been racing 16 fewer years and 500 fewer starts. Mcmuray will retire with more wins than Waltrip. 110. Talon64 posted: 11.03.2009 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That's nothing to brag about, really. Hell, Michael Waltrip is above McMurray on that list." Then Mikey deserves more credit. Or at least some credit, 4 wins and lasting in Cup for 756 races doesn't make you a terrible driver. "CFob, Sam may be the one with 7 top 10s, but he also has a whopping 17 finishes of 30th or worse, which to me negates any merit those top 10s might have. Some of them haven't been his fault I agree, but 17 is still a ridiculous amount to have. Sam's average finish is nearly identical to David, and Sam is barely ahead of him in the points, so I don't know what's the sense in him having a ride. I'd much rather see Jamie McMurray or Bobby Labonte take over the #77." It's easier to fix Hornish's mistakes than to make Stremme go faster. Dumping Stremme and keeping Hornish is the right decision, especially since we've seen Montoya and Allmendinger make big jumps in their 3rd years in Cup so Hornish deserves the chance. Stremme just sucks, no top tens all year in 33 starts when your teammates combine for 25 in 66 is a killer. 111. Mamorese posted: 11.03.2009 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nothing like a good "Waltrip sucks" argument 112. Anonymous posted: 11.03.2009 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stremme sucked through out his cup career. He is a good nationwide driver, but that's it. I saw David as a stop gap driver for Penske a first place. 113. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2009 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Then Mikey deserves more credit. Or at least some credit, 4 wins and lasting in Cup for 756 races doesn't make you a terrible driver." Uh, actually it does. Especially when you consider that those 4 wins came in restrictor plate races in a 3 year period when DEI was absolutely untouchable at the plate tracks. From '01 to '04 Dale Jr won seven plate races in those same cars, and hasn't won a plate race since. And the only reason Mikey lasted so long is because he is an attention whore that can get his sponsors TV time, which all they truly care about. One thing you have to realize about Jamie's plate wins is that Roush isn't exactly a powerhouse on the plate tracks (or anywhere else this year really). Their only other plate win during Jamie's tenure at Roush was Kenseth's rain shortened Daytona 500 win (that he deserved). My opinion on Jamie: In the middle. He doesn't totally suck, but I don't think he has superstar potential either. 114. joey2448 posted: 11.03.2009 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What I canā??t comprehend is just how lucky Jimmie Johnson is. All day long, points leader Johnson cruised around in the back of the pack, around 30th place, while Jeff Gordon and Mark Martin (second and third in points) raced for the lead and were consistently in the top-10. After Newmans wreck, Jimmie was still back there in 25th or so. But the last big wreck collected both Gordon and Martin, relegating them to 20th and 28th, respectively. While that happened, Johnson took advantage of cars running out of fuel and the wreck to jump up and grab a sixth-place finish, which has him sitting pretty and looking to clinch the title with one race to go, at Phoenix in two weeks. Ugh! If it wasn't for the chase, Jimmie would be ahead of Tony Stewart by seven points, with Jeff Gordon 79 back... 115. Bronco posted: 11.03.2009 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dumping Stremme and keeping Hornish is the right decision, especially since we've seen Montoya and Allmendinger make big jumps in their 3rd years in Cup so Hornish deserves the chance." I don't think so. Hornish is in year two of being a Cup driver and is still a caution machine. He also drives for a better team than JPM and AJ but his performance is worse than them. And like I said, McMurray and Labonte are way more deserving of that ride. "Their only other plate win during Jamie's tenure at Roush was Kenseth's rain shortened Daytona 500 win (that he deserved)." His Daytona 500 win was a fluke. Wish Sadler had won it. "My opinion on Jamie: In the middle. He doesn't totally suck, but I don't think he has superstar potential either." I agree too, he's in the same category of driver as Truex, Sadler, Bowyer, Vickers. They're not terrible drivers, but not quite good enough to run up front often and they all have very few wins. 116. Anonymous posted: 11.03.2009 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Roush really isn't know for plate racing. Kurt Busch gotten close to winning the Daytona 500 with Rousch, but they never had a great plate program. Jamie and Micheal Waltrip shouldn't be in the same sentence. Jamie is a solid driver. Jamie was better at Darlington with Ganassi than at Roush for some reason. Some of the tracks, Jamie isn't bad at without counting plate tracks. 117. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.04.2009 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why are we arguing over who is the better driver between David Stremme and Sam Hornish? They both suck, and McMurray or Bobby Labonte would blow both Stremme and Hornish out of the water. 118. Kit posted: 11.04.2009 - 2:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) No f**king shit, RCRandPenskeGuy. That's like arguing over whether my chihuahua is faster than yours. Who gives a shit? "His Daytona 500 win was a fluke. Wish Sadler had won it." We already had Michael Waltrip win it, that's bad enough. "I agree too, he's in the same category of driver as Truex, Sadler, Bowyer, Vickers. They're not terrible drivers, but not quite good enough to run up front often and they all have very few wins." Truex and Bowyer are with shit teams (yes, the #1 has sucked regardless of the #42). Kind of hard for you to say that Bowyer is no better than Sadler when RCR TOOK Bowyer's team and gave it to Casey Mears. "My opinion on Jamie: In the middle. He doesn't totally suck, but I don't think he has superstar potential either." Jamie could win as many races as Kevin Harvick if he didn't have such low self-esteem. He's not a bad driver at all and he fails to realize that there are plenty of drivers just like him who have done well. "Then Mikey deserves more credit. Or at least some credit, 4 wins and lasting in Cup for 756 races doesn't make you a terrible driver." Talon, are you trying to compete with Bronco now for making the most absurd posts? If a driver came into the sport today and performed as bad as Waltrip, he wouldn't have 756 starts. Waltrip got lucky because he got into the sport while it was growing and he was able to freeload on it, like a tick on a puppy dog. He jumped from team to team in the 90s. Casey Mears is a better driver than Waltrip and Mears isn't going to run 756 races. If four wins out of 756 races isn't terrible to you, you might want to limit your klonopin and heroin mixing habit to weekends only. 119. Kit posted: 11.04.2009 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another point I forgot to mention, I said Jamie has low confidence, but I wouldn't call him a bust. I think Sadler is more of a bust. 120. CFob posted: 11.04.2009 - 3:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "CFob, Sam may be the one with 7 top 10s, but he also has a whopping 17 finishes of 30th or worse, which to me negates any merit those top 10s might have. Some of them haven't been his fault I agree, but 17 is still a ridiculous amount to have. Sam's average finish is nearly identical to David, and Sam is barely ahead of him in the points, so I don't know what's the sense in him having a ride. I'd much rather see Jamie McMurray or Bobby Labonte take over the #77." Sam Hornish, Jr. is a proven winner and Champion in the IndyCar Series. While it is drastically different from the Cup cars he drivers now, Hornish has been a winner and a Champion. David Stremme cannot say the same. And I do like seeing David in the Cup Series. He comes from the Midwest short track scene, and I want to see ALL of those guys succeed, but I cannot justify keeping him in the car with the way he's performed this season. I mean, the only reason everyone here is crapping on Hornish is because there's no patience anymore in this world. Instead of giving him time to adjust to Stock Cars, everyone rips on him as he learns a totally new car compared to the ones he spent his entire life preparing for, which is akin to mocking a child who can't tie his shoes in my book. You'd think after one season stinking it up in the 12 car you'd all be ready to banish Stremme to the dungeon. It's the typical attitude around here anyway. 121. Bronco posted: 11.04.2009 - 8:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Talon, are you trying to compete with Bronco now for making the most absurd posts?" Oh yeah, I'm the one who makes absurd posts? Hell, at least I don't come on this site to trash around drivers, I come here to discuss racing. The only things I ever hear out of your mouth, are the 1001 reasons why Michael Waltrip sucks, your opinion that Carl Edwards somehow has a "fake" personality, and that JPM isn't a good driver and he makes "dumb" moves on the track somehow. The only drivers that you seem to have even a shred of respect for are the ones who retired years ago. Not only that, but you also seem to have taken it upon yourself to let other people know who should and shouldn't be discussed based on their performance. Someone brings up Steve Wallace is a Nationwide race discussion, and automatically we get to hear your little speech as to why he shouldn't even be mentioned. Just give it a rest already. 122. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2009 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We already had Michael Waltrip win it, that's bad enough." Exactly. The Daytona 500 has really taken a beating this decade. Mikey has won it twice which is bad enough. Harvick won it in 2007 and hasn't won since (nearly three years), Newman won it in 2008 (his first win in over two years) and hasn't won since (nearly two years). At least a champion won it this year. If Sadler would have won it, it would lose even more significance. And as far as it being a fluke: At least he made a GREEN FLAG ON TRACK pass before it started raining. It isn't like Reut's World 600 win or Logano's gift wrapped Loudon win. Plus, like Matt said, he had to start last cause of a wreck in the qualifying race, and didn't have a full race to make his way to the front. He deserved that win. "Jamie could win as many races as Kevin Harvick if he didn't have such low self-esteem." I agree. It's like Pearson said: If you go into a race not thinking your the best driver out there, then you will not win. Although when your arguably the best driver in NASCAR history, that makes it a little easier :) "I think Sadler is more of a bust." Yeah, he dwells on the negatives way too much. I read an article about him about a month ago and he is still dwelling on the rain not falling 30 seconds earlier. You've got to get over that kind of stuff. Dale Earnhardt once DOMINATED the Daytona 500, only to lose it with one mile to go when he cut a tire. He just sucked it up, won 9 races that year, and a championship. Obviously Sadler doesn't have the talent (or equipment) to do that, but he could still suck it up and focus on making it better. He is driving the same stuff as Kasey Kahne (except when he is in Fords recently) and Kasey has won and made the cha$e. 123. Sean posted: 11.04.2009 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was hard to take the Daytona 500 seriously before with Pete Hamilton, Tiny Lund, and Derrike Cope's wins. What all of them had was a killer car (and some luck). Hamilton's Superbird demolished the field in that era on superspeedways like Petty's did, but he didn't show much otherwise. Tiny Lund had a Wood Brothers car when they were arguably the best team out there...it's a great story and he deserved to get the ride for saving Panch's life, but I don't think he was that great...I think it was just a product of being in the best car. Derrike Cope had a Hendrick engine with Buddy Parrott as crew chief...he probably had the weakest car of the three (and arguably never had a good car in his career), but it was still pretty strong. Indianapolis and Bristol probably have the best winners lists. Harvick is the only non-legend on the Indy winners list, and he's still pretty respectable, just overrated. Every modern-era champion has won at Bristol except B. Labonte and Johnson, and I don't think any track around that long can say that. And most of the non-champions who won at Bristol have been strong championship contenders (Davey Allison, Ernie Irvan, Mark Martin, Kyle Busch, Carl Edwards, Jeff Burton, and to a lesser degree Junior and Harvick). The glaring exception being of course Elliott Sadler who is a career-long mediocrity who had one good year when Todd Parrott, probably the third best crew chief of the last 20 years or so to Evernham and Knaus, moved to his team and he made the chase before returning to his usual mid-pack status when Parrott left. 124. Kit posted: 11.04.2009 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sam Hornish, Jr. is a proven winner and Champion in the IndyCar Series. While it is drastically different from the Cup cars he drivers now, Hornish has been a winner and a Champion." WHO.... THE.... f**k.... CARES???? THIS.... IS.... NOT.... IRL!!!! 125. CFob posted: 11.04.2009 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "WHO.... THE.... f**k.... CARES???? THIS.... IS.... NOT.... IRL!!!!" Apparently Roger Penske, seeing as he kept Hornish and dumped Stremme. So, I guess that is who.... cares.... 126. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2009 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Those are good points Sean. All of them. I would also add Martinsville in the list of tracks that mostly has the best winning there. The glaring exception there is that Bobby Allison never won there. That, to me, is one of the most mind blowing stats in all of NASCAR. 127. Talon64 posted: 11.04.2009 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If four wins out of 756 races isn't terrible to you, you might want to limit your klonopin and heroin mixing habit to weekends only." I actually laughed at that. I'm the one that's makes absurd posts? I don't think Waltrip or Hornish are as bad as certain people paint them out to be, Waltrip's career is practically signed sealed and delivered so people can judge it however they want while Hornish can still prove he has what it takes. Stremme is a proven loser and hasn't won a thing, even Hornish has the All-Star Showdown win this year. And all I hear on this site is about how so-and-so is great or isn't great because of how they run at "driver tracks", but this year Hornish finished in the top ten in both Richmond races, both Pocono races including a top five, a top ten at Loudon and a top ten at Phoenix. Although Bristol hasn't been very good to him at all. 128. Kit posted: 11.04.2009 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh yeah, I'm the one who makes absurd posts? Hell, at least I don't come on this site to trash around drivers...." Haha, 20-year-old angst. I guess the wife didn't let you beat her up today? Hahaha 129. Kit posted: 11.04.2009 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Apparently Roger Penske, seeing as he kept Hornish and dumped Stremme." Once again, WHO THE f**k CARES? They both suck! Who cares??? Let Penske play with his mess by himself. 130. CFob posted: 11.04.2009 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Once again, WHO THE f**k CARES? They both suck! Who cares??? Let Penske play with his mess by himself." Why must you keep asking "Who Cares?"? I mean, I offer you someone who would care, and you disqualify it because "they both suck." If you want to try and argue with me, at least do it like an adult. "Who cares, they suck!" isn't an argument. Are you going to start mocking me next? Making silly faces behind my back? Honestly, either offer something of merit up, or just quit responding to my posts. Not for my sake, for yours. I hate seeing you look bad. 131. Talon64 posted: 11.04.2009 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Grind your teeth or cheer to this news: Danica Patrick looks set to sign a 2 year deal with JR Motorsports to run some Nationwide races to coincide with her full time IRL ride. She'd make her stock car debut during Daytona Speedweeks in February. NASCAR Now on ESPN just spent their entire 30 minute show talking about it, even though it's not actually official yet, and talking to a couple of the female NASCAR drivers of yester-years; it's a omen to come of ESPN's coverage of the Nationwide races Danica enters next year. 132. Neal posted: 11.04.2009 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talon64 - I hope to GOD JR Motorsports and Hendrick didn't give her the numbers I heard being kicked around. She supposedly wanted $300k for each truck series race and $600k for each Nationwide race she appeared in. 7 TIMES the winner's purse just to show up? I don't think so. 133. Neal posted: 11.04.2009 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Err make that 300k for each truck series and nationwide race. Still not worth it. 134. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 1:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Grind your teeth or cheer to this news: Danica Patrick looks set to sign a 2 year deal with JR Motorsports to run some Nationwide races to coincide with her full time IRL ride. She'd make her stock car debut during Daytona Speedweeks in February." Ah, who cares. She'll run in 25th to 30th place, demand more money than half of the drivers in the field make combined, try to start fights with men a foot taller than her, and bombard us with f**king commercials. She'll be the next Michael Waltrip. Just an attention whore, and she'd have to be to actually ask for that much money to run Nationwide races when she hasn't even led one percent of her total career laps in the IRL. If she's even remotely competitive in Nationwide, it'll be because she has a car leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else on the track a la Joey Logano. I guess Dale Jr. still has a empty feeling after Drunktrip left DEI to start his own team, so he needed another mediocre driver to fit the bill. 135. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 1:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you want to try and argue with me, at least do it like an adult." Now why would I need to argue with you? You actually waste time comparing Hornish and Stremme. They both suck, get over it. At least Bronco rants and raves about shit worth discussing (except for S**** W******). I don't give a rat's ass what Penske thinks either because between hiring Hornish, Stremme, and actually thinking it was feasible for him to buy the Saturn brand and subcontract the cars elsewhere, he isn't running on all cylinders. Penske Racing has been somewhat stagnant for the past 10 years... Mayfield and Newman couldn't do much in the car and they were good drivers. Wasn't Bobby Labonte looking for a ride at the same time as Stremme? I was surprised Stremme was even considered. 136. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 2:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't think Waltrip or Hornish are as bad as certain people paint them out to be" I have posted statistics on the Michael Waltrip board that prove that of the drivers with 500+ starts, he's easily the worst. I think the stats also said that he's the worst out of drivers with 400+ starts, but you'll have to go there and check because it's been several months since I posted it. He's never even won a non-plate race out of 756 starts. His career is akin to taking Joe Wifebeater out of the recliner and making him a QB for a NFL team. He doesn't belong in Cup at all and wouldn't be there without his brother's success. If you think Waltrip isn't that bad, when the statistics say that he's the worst ever, you really need to go ahead and pull that needle out of your vein. Not sure how you're shooting up and typing on a keyboard at the same time. 137. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 2:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's our friend Bronco upset because Dale Jr missed his pit stall and it's all Rick Hendrick's fault: http://www.aleuranthropy.com/myspace_tourettesguy.jpg 138. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.05.2009 - 4:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The glaring exception being of course Elliott Sadler who is a career-long mediocrity who had one good year when Todd Parrott, probably the third best crew chief of the last 20 years or so to Evernham and Knaus, moved to his team and he made the chase before returning to his usual mid-pack status when Parrott left." I'm glad somebody else besides me sees how bad Elliott Sadler is. He's done absolutely nothing since Yates went down performance-wise, and should have lost the 19 car this year to AJ Allmendinger, then his sponsors and lawyers stepped in and saved his ride. 139. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.05.2009 - 8:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm glad somebody else besides me sees how bad Elliott Sadler is. He's done absolutely nothing since Yates went down performance-wise, and should have lost the 19 car this year to AJ Allmendinger, then his sponsors and lawyers stepped in and saved his ride." I see it too. You are absolutely right. He is even more confidence sensitive than Jamie McMurray, and that is saying something. He had a nice run going at Yates from 2004 to mid 2005. Then his tire went flat at Indy and he has been in the tank ever since. He dwells on the bad luck too much instead of using it to motivate him like the great drivers do. He in no way should have kept the #19 ride this year. " Danica Patrick looks set to sign a 2 year deal with JR Motorsports to run some Nationwide races to coincide with her full time IRL ride." That is a match made in mid pack heaven. It is a perfect combination really. Dale Jr can teach her how to keep all the attention on her in NASCAR even when she isn't doing worth a damn. If only they would switch to Toyotas and lease engines from Michael Waltrip Racing, it would be totally perfect. The unholy trio of undeserving attention whores. (And yes I'm aware MWR gets their motors from TRD, but this is fantasy land. Don't ruin it for me). 140. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.05.2009 - 8:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) HA! Tourette's Guy! That brings back some good college memories. 141. Talon64 posted: 11.05.2009 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you think Waltrip isn't that bad, when the statistics say that he's the worst ever, you really need to go ahead and pull that needle out of your vein. Not sure how you're shooting up and typing on a keyboard at the same time." I don't shoot up, but meth is a hell of a drug. LOL If he's the worst out of guys with 400 or 500 starts then fine but staying in Cup as long as he has with average results doesn't make him the worst EVER. 142. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but staying in Cup as long as he has with average results doesn't make him the worst EVER." He DOESN'T have average results! That is my point! Only Joe Nemechek has a worst average finish with 500+ starts and Nemechek drove junk his entire career save for two seasons in Hendrick, which wasn't the best team in the Hendrick stable. Out of all the bottom feeders, Waltrip has been in a good ride the longest. Damn, dude, we are on a statistical web site. Please learn how to use this site and analyze statistics. 143. Talon64 posted: 11.05.2009 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Damn, dude, we are on a statistical web site. Please learn how to use this site and analyze statistics." And statistics can be subjective based on how people use or view them. Sorry but i don't think he's the worst driver EVER. 144. Talon64 posted: 11.05.2009 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What is EVER anyways? There have been drivers that've been complete busts and didn't last a season, guys not good enough to make it to Cup in the first place, drivers like Stremme, Mike and Kenny Wallace, Brett Bodine, Jimmy Spencer, Derrike Cope, Jeff Green, Greg Sacks and Todd Bodine with a lot of starts who never did anything and are in the same ball park as Mikey. If you're definition of EVER is among drivers with 500 or whatever starts then so be it, but it's not my definition. 145. Smokefan05 posted: 11.05.2009 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And statistics can be subjective based on how people use or view them." agree 100% 146. RR posted: 11.05.2009 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And statistics can be subjective based on how people use or view them." Uh oh, you're using too much logic... 147. Anonymous posted: 11.05.2009 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And statistics can be subjective based on how people use or view them." No kidding. People that Pete Hamilton was a bad driver based on where his 4 wins are from. The problem is Pete Hamilton was cup racing with a neck injury that bothered since a 1969 Nascar Grand American race crash. The neck injury he got in 1969 made him retire from full time racing after 1971. Who knows, Kit might also thing Pete Hamilton sucked since he has 4 wins and thinks kit himself can can win 4 times with an injured neck in cup like Pete Hamilton did. 148. Frank posted: 11.05.2009 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Far too much logic and common sense for Kit's tiny little brain (assuming he/she even has one) to handle I'm afraid. 149. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And statistics can be subjective based on how people use or view them. Sorry but i don't think he's the worst driver EVER." If statistics were that subjective and baseless there wouldn't be statistics departments at major research universities across the nation. You can argue with the method of taking a study in order to prove bias, but the entire field of statistics have methods in place to prevent that. But that really isn't a problem with statistics available for drivers on here anyway. The only major factor besides driving ability that will influence a driver's average finish is the quality of equipment he's running in. Like I said above, out of the bottom quarter of drivers with lowest average finish, Waltrip's had about the longest streak in good cars, mainly with the #15. He's spent several seasons in cars capable of top 10 points finishes if not higher. Regardless of whether or not you think he's the worst ever, the results speak for themselves: he sucks. 150. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And statistics can be subjective based on how people use or view them." agree 100%" See above. 151. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Uh oh, you're using too much logic..." Hilarious considering that the entire field of statistics revolves around logic. Uh oh, I guess you don't really have a sound argument there... 152. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Far too much logic and common sense for Kit's tiny little brain (assuming he/she even has one) to handle I'm afraid." I've probably accomplished more by my mere existence than you have accomplished in your entire life. All you did was provide a "OMG you are dumb!" argument which didn't take much thought at all. At least I put in thought and effort. If you're going to step up to the plate, at least know how to swing. Besides, statistics revolves around logic. Looking at the facts in front of you, in the form of statistical analysis, and then trying to interject your own conclusion based on your own wishful opinion, is not logical. Talon64 cannot have the opinion that Waltrip has "average results" when the actual numbers say otherwise. If Michael Waltrip is easily at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to success to starts, then it's pretty clear that he had to have A LOT of below average finishes in order to pull his overall average down to the bottom. That's just math, man. If you put an apple that weighs twice as much in a bag with little apples, the big apple is going to send the average weight per apple higher. So, basically, Talon64, this web site shows that Waltrip is near the bottom. It's mathematically impossible for Waltrip to have average results and yet be at the bottom. He has to have a ton of below average results to be at the bottom, which he has. Also, your claim that "statistics can be subjective based on how people use or view them" isn't even really relevant here because all I'm doing is pointing out mathematically that Waltrip has to have poor, not average, finishes to pull his average finish down so much. It's hilarious how I appear to be the only one actually bothering to look at the numbers here yet I'm being accused of not having any logic or a brain. 153. RR posted: 11.05.2009 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hilarious considering that the entire field of statistics revolves around logic. Uh oh, I guess you don't really have a sound argument there..." Cherry picking, which you are often guilty of, is a logical fallicy. You also twist statistics to form you illogical opinions of drivers. You're also guilty of hasty generalizations (i.e. "Montoya screwed up at Indy, therefore he sucks as a stock car driver.") 154. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Who knows, Kit might also thing Pete Hamilton sucked since he has 4 wins and thinks kit himself can can win 4 times with an injured neck in cup like Pete Hamilton did." Pete Hamilton was a better driver than Michael Waltrip ever was but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Hamilton ran in only 64 races, with the vast majority of them being before the modern era. Hell, Waltrip never had such an injury. The fact that Hamilton did and won as many races as Waltrip speaks a lot about Hamilton. Also, it's funny how you think you can read the mind of someone you've never met over an Internet message board. Can you also read the minds of guys who write shit like "don't eat the white mint" on the wall next to the urinal? 155. Kit posted: 11.05.2009 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cherry picking, which you are often guilty of, is a logical fallicy. You also twist statistics to form you illogical opinions of drivers." hahahaha Yeah buddy, when I formed the opinion that Michael Waltrip sucks after I did research on this web site and the numbers rank him at the very bottom, yeah, I'm really twisting statistics to form my own illogical opinions! hahaha Of course, this is coming from RR, who doesn't quite understand how large a factor suspension, weight distribution, and other chassis setups play in Cup racing, so it's not surprising. 156. RR posted: 11.05.2009 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah buddy, when I formed the opinion that Michael Waltrip sucks after I did research on this web site and the numbers rank him at the very bottom, yeah, I'm really twisting statistics to form my own illogical opinions!" I'm not talking about Michael Watrip. Saying Michael Waltrip sucks isn't really an earth-shattering conclusion. I was refering to you telling Talon to learn how to analyze statistics, when you often twist them to back arguments that often are illogical (in the sense that thet have no common sense). "Of course, this is coming from RR, who doesn't quite understand how large a factor suspension, weight distribution, and other chassis setups play in Cup racing, so it's not surprising." I said that RCR and EGR have the same engines, and that the chassis are more similar than ever. Really, what's the difference car-wise between any team? RCR is a better team than EGR, so it would be wrong to say that JPM has an advantage over the Childress cars. Spin it however you like. But then again, you stated that Tony Stewart came from a racing background that emphasized "stay in line, follow the leader" racing. 157. RR posted: 11.05.2009 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and it would be silly to say that every car is the same; that's obviously not the case. But with the cars being less unique, engines do play a pivotal role. If they didn't, why do they still update them? 158. Josh posted: 11.05.2009 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) petty43, take johnson away from hendrick and he is a nobody, so I am not going to say that he has talent. plus, it is hard telling how much of a "grey" area that cheatin chad plays with with every car that they have built. so johnson and anyone who thinks that he is a true 4 time champ are truly dilusional. 159. Cam posted: 11.06.2009 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know a lot of people a blaming Vickers for the big one, but at least he had enough balls to disobey NASCAR, not stay at the back all day, earn a top ten and wrap up the championship Good 4 Jamie Mac winning the race, all though his post race interview was annoying "It's too bad Crown Royal never got to come with us in victory lane" who the f**k cares, it's a sponsor. Jamie Mac has to stay in Roush, get rid of Ragan. Homestead will suck, thanks to the chase. Great. Thanks NASCAR 160. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.06.2009 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I was refering to you telling Talon to learn how to analyze statistics, when you often twist them to back arguments that often are illogical (in the sense that thet have no common sense)." Huh. A sentence talking about sense and logic that has no sense or logic behind it. How parodoxical. Seriously, that is a sentence that English and Literature experts (people who don't date very much) could discuss for hours on end. Too bad I've long since wrapped up all my English and Literature requirements and got my degree. I could have brought this one sentence to class and we could have discussed it for an entire semester. 161. Talon64 posted: 11.06.2009 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Regardless of whether or not you think he's the worst ever, the results speak for themselves: he sucks." Well it looks like we're getting somewhere, from "worst ever" to "he sucks"! You could even argue that he's the worst driver ever among everyone who's ever won a Cup race but that still puts Michael above a lot of drivers who've never even won a race. My point is that Michael isn't a great driver but calling him the worst is a gross exaggeration. I've made my point the best I can so take it or leave it. 162. Talon64 posted: 11.06.2009 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon won his 68th career pole, putting him one back of Cale Yarborough for 3rd all time. It's his 17th straight season with a pole, and only David Pearson with 19 and Richard Petty with 18 have had longer streaks. 163. PleaseLose48 posted: 11.06.2009 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) how about it... all the chasers who had any kind of shot at unseating jimmie either wreck or run out of gas at the end.. jimmie doesn't have the balls to run with the men all day long and lucks into a 6th place finish.. total BULLSHIT 164. PleaseLose48 posted: 11.06.2009 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 2010 Aaron's 499.. Jimmie gets tapped in the right rear and slides sideways to the infield, gets airborne, flips 15 times, and cries in the post-crash interview... can't wait!! 165. Bronco posted: 11.07.2009 - 1:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Too bad I've long since wrapped up all my English and Literature requirements and got my degree." Too bad they never taught you the difference between "their" and "there". 166. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.07.2009 - 11:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Too bad you have to nitpick little flaws like mixing up homonyms to make your points. Seriously, you should look into a career in law. You'd be perfect. There is no telling how many murderers you could have walking free on the streets due to legal technicalities. 167. Bronco posted: 11.07.2009 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seriously, you should look into a career in law. You'd be perfect." Thanks for the career advice, but I think I'll stick to what I'm doing for now if you don't mind. "There is no telling how many murderers you could have walking free on the streets due to legal technicalities." But if I ever do decide pursue a career in law, you should be grateful that I don't live in your hometown. You know, so I don't go around freeing murderers. 168. petty43 posted: 11.08.2009 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) josh you pudwack, jimmie has 50 wins and two legit cups in 8 years but he has no talent. sure it is all just the team i guess. except for the fact that jimmie is the best at telling his cc what he needs from the car and what the car is doing, ever notice how quickly they find speed in practice? numbnuts. o and jimmie can save tires, brakes, and if hendrick cars made any damn mileage he can save fuel too. but he no damn good. jimmie constantly pushes his car for the best finish it can get except dega, (which was the right strategy) if jimmie has a top 5 car he will push hard for that win, but you can be damn sure he will always get that top 5 no matter what, unlike carl, kyle etc., that is why he wins chases. but he sucks. he has never gone more than 20 races without a win but he stinks, o and in the last 10 years, even though jimmie did not race the first two, he has most wins top 5 top 10 and laps led, but he still sucks right, yea i am sure kahne or newman could do better, actually no i am not, but i do know that jimmie CAN. how good is jimmie right now???? he does not even have a damn rival...who is his rival, jeff please, tony he is to conservative in his own stuff now, carl cant even win a race. when you have no rival you graduate to full fledged badass, even if you are a nice guy. 169. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.08.2009 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) petty43, you are right. I think his win and championship total are inflated a bit due to his team being blatently superior, and the cha$e format, but the fact is he gets the job done. Plus this isn't Kyle Busch in Trucks and Busch, the competition is much closer in Cup. They have just taken advantage of all of NASCAR's stupid rules, and nobody else has figured it out like they have. His strategy at Talladega, although disgusting to watch, was exactly what he needed to do. And it pretty much locked up this championship for him. Our anger needs to be directed more at NASCAR than at Jimmie. He is just taking advantage of their stupidity. 170. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.08.2009 - 10:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But if I ever do decide pursue a career in law, you should be grateful that I don't live in your hometown. You know, so I don't go around freeing murderers." Good, because where I live they are already trying to free about 40 hardcore criminals due to some legal loophole about every year served in prison under good behavior counts as two years towards their sentence. Our governor is trying to fight it, but who knows how it will turn out. So we have enough issues as it is. Thank you. 171. petty43 posted: 11.09.2009 - 8:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) o and he never screws up a pit stop either. maybe he should give junior some pointers. 172. Mamorese posted: 11.09.2009 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just watched the race flag to flag for the first time. Judging by the media reactions I thought the race was single file for like 150 of the 188 laps. The race wasn't bad at all, I mean yeah it was single file in some parts but its not like the entire race was a bust. This isn't a new phenomena at Talladega, watch the end to the 2006 fall dega race, that deal was single file too up until halfway down the backstretch on the final lap when jr and johnson wrecked. Also it wasn't really until 2005 that cars started bump drafting through the turns, and there were plenty of memorable plate races before then. NASCAR ruined? Give me a break. 173. jr88fan posted: 12.15.2009 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 92. jr88fan posted: 11.02.09 - 5:49 pm Newman's flip was a "YouTube moment" in a bad way 174. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 01.16.2010 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From the grandstands, it was like there were two different races. Sometimes, but the minority of the time, they where crazy and racing 2,3 and 4 wide throughout the field. However, most of the race it was single file and having a scanner that day was hilarious. Mamorese is right, it happened towards the finish in 06, in 2007 the fall Dega race had even more single file racing than this and late in the race in 05 I noticed a lot of single file before the GWC and the exciting finish with D Jarret and T Stewart 175. GregBiffle16 posted: 03.06.2010 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Neal posted: 11.01.09 - 9:49 pm McMurray= Just won Daytona. Mears=Yep Menard=17th in points, bitch Sorenson, Yep Hornish,Sometimes Ragan, yep & Stremme, Worst driver evar!!1 176. NewJack posted: 07.25.2010 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For Post #5, Jamie just won race #5 today. So if u took under, oops. 177. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 09.07.2010 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well, this is a great race, i stayed away form my family and decided to stay home and watched the race, and it was definitely worth it. Two awesome crashes... Overall great racing... And was i the only one scared out of my wits on the lap 5 crash? I mean, i though i saw two drivers DIE in front of my eyes! Probably one of the 5 greatest races in Nascar, but not the Greatest. Only sad part was that Martin lost the Championship in this race. 178. MStall41 posted: 03.23.2012 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) This race was probably the low point of NASCAR's brief recession in popularity that arguably lasted from around late 2006 to early 2010. Fan dissatisfaction reached a critical mass after problems ensued related to the no-bump rule which was instituted the morning before the race. Things got so bad that there was even some talk of a drivers union forming. Luckily, NASCAR made some big changes in the offseason after the failure of this race and of the 2009 season as a whole which in turn led to the "Boys Have At It" Era which began in 2010 and ushered in a renewed interest in the sport along with better racing which so far has continued to the present day. 179. CBASS posted: 02.04.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #43 Liberty #12 Penske #82 Red Bull Cola #42 Target/ Polaroid #16 Filtrete Home Filtration Products #47 Kingsford Match Light http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/photos/main-gallery/?s=5&y=2009&r=3685 180. LASTCAR posted: 04.24.2013 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joe Nemechek picked up the 17th last-place finish of his career in Sunday's AMP Energy 500 at the Talladega Superspeedway when his #87 NEMCO Motorsports Toyota was involved in the first caution of the race: a two-car accident on lap 5 of the 191-lap event. Qualifying was rained-out on Saturday, so Nemechek secured the 39th starting spot for Sunday's race. Although he came into the race without a sponsor, Nemechek gained sufficient funding from his fans and planned to run the entire race. Unfortunately, he was unable to defend his 14th-place finish from the spring race. While racing through turns one and two alongside Paul Menard on lap 5, Menard lost a left-rear tire and crossed Nemechek's nose, slamming both cars into the outside wall. While the two avoided causing a massive multi-car wreck, both were done for the day. It was Nemechek's first last-place finish since the NASCAR Banking 500 at Lowe's two races ago. Nemechek has also broken the four-way tie for the most last-place finishes since 1998, beating Todd Bodine, 2009 last-place leader Dave Blaney, and overall leader Derrike Cope for that mark. Nemechek is also fourth on the all-time list and has tied Jimmy Means and Morgan Shepherd for the 2nd-most last-place finishes since 1972. He is tied with Tony Raines, who withdrew with the #37 team on Saturday, for 2nd in the 2009 rankings. However, both Nemechek and Raines are still four finishes behind leader Dave Blaney, who pulled behind the wall eight laps after Nemechek's wreck on Sunday. It is only the second time in NASCAR Sprint Cup history that the #87 has finished last at Talladega: Dick May's Fast Lane Ltd. Oldsmobile lost oil pressure in the 1979 Talladega 500 without completing a single lap. 2009 RANKINGS 1st) Dave Blaney (8) 2nd) Tony Raines, Joe Nemechek (4) 3rd) Mike Bliss (3) 4th) Patrick Carpentier, David Gilliland, Bobby Labonte (2) 5th) Tony Ave, Todd Bodine, P.J. Jones, Matt Kenseth, Travis Kvapil, Joey Logano, Mark Martin, Mike Wallace (1) Visit http://brockbeard.blogspot.com/ for more. 181. kidracer posted: 12.25.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race and the 2008 race was really bad. There has not been a good restrictor plate race since 2007. Though the 2010 race was okay, not the greatest. I say take off the restrictor plates and let them run wide open. 182. Braindead Zombie posted: 03.25.2016 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Comment #1 on this page pretty much sums up what I think everyone felt about this race. 183. Foyt14 posted: 10.28.2018 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WD 37 Tony Raines Long John's Slivers Dodge (Brad Jenkins owner) Withdrew before qualifying was washed out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: