|| *Comments on the 2010 Kobalt Tools 500:* View the most recent comment <#384> | Post a comment <#post> 1. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Let's get this out of the way. Anyone who thinks Brad Keselowski "had it coming", "deserved it", "got payback", etc, should never watch a NASCAR race again. I personally hate intentional contact in all its forms, but christ, at least have the decency to wait until Bristol to do it, and not at the fastest part of the fastest track in NASCAR. Carl Edwards should get the book thrown at him. 2. petty43 posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) could not agree more with post number one. Also I always have believed that carl is a two faced goon pudwack since he almost punched kenseth in an interview a few years ago, and now i have to say he annoys me more than even JPM, well maybe not that much. But nascar should probably have seen this coming when they relaxed the rules and i doubt they will bench him or anything. 3. cale_gale posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Awesome runs by Menard, Allmendinger, and Speed. It's a shame they won't get talked about as much as they deserve due to the Edwards/Keselowski saga. Tough breaks for guys like Truex, Hornish, and Keselowski who were running well but had troubles. David Gilliland was also running inside the top 15 near the end before getting caught in the big crash at the end of the race. 4. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm actually very happy this happened. There's been so much stupid PR from Carl's camp, and the NASCAR commentators about how much of a fun guy Carl Edwards is, about how nice he is, about what a great person he is. BS. Carl Edwards makes me respect guys like Kyle Busch, and Kevin Harvick. They are assholes, and make no apologies, make no pretenses, and make no lies. They're like the 1986 Mets of NASCAR. They're interesting, and they bring intrigue to the sport. Carl Edwards, on the other hand, is a PR creation. Scratch off the nice surface, and you find something truly rotten on the inside. This isn't the first time, or even the second time he's done something like this. 5. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2010/highlights/03/07/cup_atl_high_one_edwards.nascar/index.html Ignore DW, look at Brad in relation to the line. Carl came down on Brad. Anyone who doesn't see THAT is blind. What Carl did has absolutely NO excuse. If NASCAR doesn't park him for Bristol, then they will lose what credibility they had gained back with me. Congratulations to Kurt Busch, but Carl taking out Brad for his own mistake is complete crap. 6. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) I'm so proud of Carl for what he did to Brad Krashalotski. He did to him what Denny couldn't get done at Homestead, and what several other drivers were probably itching to do. Hats off to him for that, and I pray that NASCAR doesn't try suspending him/fining him/taking away points, because it was the fans and NASCAR that called for the gloves to come off and for rivalries to brew. I don't see what they accomplished by parking him either since the race was over and he was 150+ laps down anyways. Props to Menard for his 3rd career top ten and Scott Speed for his 2nd top ten. It looks like they have finally gotten the hang of things. This would probably be the first time Menard has been in the top 10 in Cup points. Despite all the rumors that starting and parking was going to end, both Phil Parksons' cars called it quits early and Casey Mears misses his 4th straight race. Dale Jr set the fastest pole speed ever recorded in the new car, and had a bad race thanks to all the tire problems but got a decent finish overall. It was his first pole in almost 2 years. Longest race in AMS history by a whopping 16 laps. 7. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This is your brain. And this... "I'm so proud of Carl for what he did to Brad Krashalotski. He did to him what Denny couldn't get done at Homestead, and what several other drivers were probably itching to do. Hats off to him for that, and I pray that NASCAR doesn't try suspending him/fining him/taking away points, because it was the fans and NASCAR that called for the gloves to come off and for rivalries to brew. I don't see what they accomplished by parking him either since the race was over and he was 150+ laps down anyways." ...is an idiot. 8. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Incidentally, is Chip Ganassi the first owner ever to cheer one of his cars wrecking? I guess we know who's on bottom in that team. 9. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From what I saw the racing was pretty good all day long. Got a little crazy towards the end. Feel sorry for Bruton and Ed because the crowd they got this year in march was higher or the same as last years march race yet NASCAR's people estimated the crowd was down by about 10,000. Wonder why they estimated differently for Auto Club hmmm... BTW I wonder if Kyle Busch wants Steve Addington back now 10. Cooper posted: 03.07.2010 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race 1- Pothole 520 Race 2- Vortex Theory/Golden Horseshoe 500 Race 3- Crappy Caution Lights 400 Race 4- Carl the Idiot Cousin 525.14 Nothing to say except Carl is an Idiot. That is All. I also predict that this race will set a racing-reference record for comments. 11. Lugnut18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Paul!!!! Can't wait for Bristol. 12. Matt posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards is a joke of a person. Anyone who believes the nice guy bs image deserves to ride the short bus. 13. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also i believe Scott Speed is inside the top 12 now. wow 14. Rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Awesome win for Kurt Busch! He had a top 5 car at Daytona before making an awful call to pit at the end, won the pole and had a solid car at Vegas before being a victim of the McMurray/Montoya crash and he gets a big win at Atlanta for the second straight year. Carl Edwards on the other hand.....what a low blow. That crash wasn't even Brad's fault. Brad was running around the bottom and Carl came across his nose. He deserves a big time punishment for intentionally crashing someone at 195 MPH, and on top of that driving backwards on pit road sure as hell won't make NASCAR happy. Sucks for Brad because he was running in the top 5 and was prime for a big run. 15. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some other comments on the race 1. I'm sure a certain "DaleSeniorFanForever" will be quick to point out, fairly, that Montoya blew it at the end. It was, however, a very good race for him, and I hope to see him challenging for wins regularly. 2. Great drive by Harvick to get in the top 10, even if he did heavily benefit from the misfortune of others in the McMurray pileup at the end. 3. NASCAR needs to go to single-file restarts inside 10 to go. A blind man could have told you that they weren't going to last the first restart without a wreck. 4. Good on you, Richard Petty. Let's hope this wasn't a fluke. 16. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Oh Cfob, don't cry too hard about Edwards finally getting revenge on your boy Krashalotski ok? Jason Ratcliff, crew chief on the #18 Nationwide car, predicted this would happen at Phoenix last year. - "I'm afriad he's gonna get hurt becasue someone's gonna get angry and do it at a higher speed racetrack". "Incidentally, is Chip Ganassi the first owner ever to cheer one of his cars wrecking?" He was cheering because the wreck Jamie Mac caused gave JPM another shot at Kurt Busch. Not that it mattered, since JPM got a bad restart and never had a chance. 17. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) It's good to see that most people (the ones with brains) are starting to see Carl for who he really is and not for the act he puts on for the cameras. 18. GregBiffle16 posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Menard or Speed will be a factor. As for Carl, penilize him 200 points and 200000$. 19. Darrell posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is why I'm proud to say that I've always hated Edwards. He is nothing more than a two-face punk that gets away with murder. He should be counting his blessings that no one was injured. 20. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This is your brain... And this... "Oh Cfob, don't cry too hard about Edwards finally getting revenge on your boy Krashalotski ok?" ...is an idiot on drugs. 21. ams391221 posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Most of these people posting must not have been paying attention to NASCAR at all in the past year. It seems everybody has forgotten when Keselowski injured 8 people by spinning Edwards into the fence. 10 feet higher and a lot of people would have been killed. Get your eyes and brains fixed before you start blaming Edwards for everything that happens to NASCAR's little princess. 22. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was enough that he intentionally wrecked someone at 190 mph, but Carl Edwards' interview afterward was one of the most disgustingly fake things I've ever seen. Anyone who still thinks he is a "good guy" after today has something wrong with them. 23. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @21 1. Keselowski was at least battling for position during that wreck. 2. That wreck wasn't intentional. In fact, given the yellow line rule making the yellow line analogous to a wall, you could probably have blamed it on Edwards for pinning him down. 24. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "21. ams391221 posted: 03.07.10 - 7:14 pm Most of these people posting must not have been paying attention to NASCAR at all in the past year. It seems everybody has forgotten when Keselowski injured 8 people by spinning Edwards into the fence. 10 feet higher and a lot of people would have been killed. Get your eyes and brains fixed before you start blaming Edwards for everything that happens to NASCAR's little princess." 14 year olds shouldn't be allowed to use the internet. 25. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Most of these people posting must not have been paying attention to NASCAR at all in the past year. It seems everybody has forgotten when Keselowski injured 8 people by spinning Edwards into the fence. 10 feet higher and a lot of people would have been killed. Get your eyes and brains fixed before you start blaming Edwards for everything that happens to NASCAR's little princess." Carl tried to block Brad and failed. Carl himself admitted to that being what happened. So CARL injured eight people because he was trying to block, but because Brad "spun" Carl (which isn't what happened anyway). Would you like me to mail you your ticket for the failboat now? 26. luigistarted06 posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also Edwards was the one who blocked and chopped off Brad at Talladega. Brad did nothing wrong at that race, and he did nothing wrong today. Got taken out of 6th place with 3 laps to go by a guy who was 156 laps down. That's just disgraceful 27. Cooper posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad didn't wreck Carl at Tally!. Carl came down on Brad, and Brad kept his line. Plus that was a battle for the win. Not when you shouldn't be on the track, but in the garage, 120 laps down. I still can't believe Carl did that. One of the most deliberate and violent revenge acts ever. 28. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "...is an idiot on drugs." I get it buddy. When it comes to idiots and drugs, you're an expert on all that. Now run off to the nearest store and buy yourself another box of tissues. David Gilliland turned JPM into the wall on the backstretch at the 2008 Texas night race and was only parked for his actions so I hope nothing more happens to Carl. 29. Mike posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What makes this even more stupid is it was Carl's fault he got wrecked in the first place. If he doesn't try to block like an idiot he wouldn't have been over 150 laps down and riding around trying to wreck Brad. 30. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "28. Bronco posted: 03.07.10 - 7:19 pm "...is an idiot on drugs." I get it buddy. When it comes to idiots and drugs, you're an expert on all that. Now run off to the nearest store and buy yourself another box of tissues. David Gilliland turned JPM into the wall on the backstretch at the 2008 Texas night race and was only parked for his actions so I hope nothing more happens to Carl." What's that smell? 31. Shrub Hater posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't defend Edwards actions,but Brad has made no friends on the track with his over-agressive style.You live by the sword,you die by the sword.Congrats to Kurt on the win. 32. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "What's that smell?" You tell me, did you forget to clean up after crapping your pants when Krashalotski flipped? "You live by the sword,you die by the sword." That's exactly right. 33. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Funny, I don't ever remember Brad spinning ANYONE out on purpose at 190+ mph. 34. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""What's that smell?" You tell me, did you forget to clean up after crapping your pants when Krashalotski flipped?" Seriously. Did someone run over a skunk? 35. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dumb, dumb, dumb. Keselowski has been way too reckless, but name a talented rookie in a fast car who wasn't. He'll learn. In any case, I really, really hope you can tell the difference between recklessness caused by inexperience, and a premeditated action wrecking another driver. 36. 18fan posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne had the best car for the first half, Kurt had the best car for the second half. Smith, Junior, Newman, Gordon, and Sadler finished as high as they did because of getting through the big crash. Mark Martin, David Gilliland, Kyle Busch, and Martin Truex, Jr. had better cars than their finishes indicate. 37. joey2448 posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Race 1- Pothole 520 Race 2- Vortex Theory/Golden Horseshoe 500 Race 3- Crappy Caution Lights 400 Race 4- Carl the Idiot Cousin 525.14" alright, listen, sometimes there's situations that people can't foresee, and they just have to make the best of it. i think the workers on the pothole at daytona did well with what was thrown their way. the caution lights at vegas were obviously malfunctioning, and carl edwards' move today i think was justified. of course, he didn't want/expect brad keselowski to end up on his roof. safety is important. but c'mon people, other drivers (including dale sr.) have pulled such antics before. it's just racing. shit happens. 38. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but c'mon people, other drivers (including dale sr.) have pulled such antics before. it's just racing. shit happens." When did Dale Earnhardt ever take anyone out while being 100+ laps down? 39. Rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Odd.....this is the third straight Cup race in which the pole sitter failed to lead a single lap. Jamie McMurray didn't lead a lap at Fontana, Kurt Busch at Las Vegas, and Dale Jr at Atlanta now. 40. Smokefan05 posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I still can't believe Carl did that. One of the most deliberate and violent revenge acts ever." Carl can't believe he flipped. I really don't care who you are, you don't do it at a racetrack where speed are 195mph. You just don't do it. It's common sense (carl lacks that anyway.) If you want too pay someone back, do it on the cool down lap or on a caution flag, not going 195mph. And if it was payback from Tally then it's a weak excuse. 41. Brad posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm so proud of Carl for what he did to Brad Krashalotski. He did to him what Denny couldn't get done at Homestead, and what several other drivers were probably itching to do. Hats off to him for that, and I pray that NASCAR doesn't try suspending him/fining him/taking away points, because it was the fans and NASCAR that called for the gloves to come off and for rivalries to brew. I don't see what they accomplished by parking him either since the race was over and he was 150+ laps down anyways." When NASCAR said that the "gloves were coming off", I don't think they meant for a driver with no common sense to send another guy sailing through the air and flipping at nearly 200mph. That move by Edwards was completely uncalled for and for that he should be parked. If he did that at Bristol or Martinsville, that's understandable. But this is Atlanta. The fastest track in NASCAR. Someone could have got hurt. Brad had a top 10, maybe top 5 car. Edwards was 150+ laps down and had no business pulling that crap. I agree that NASCAR needs more agression and more rivalries. But when a driver intentionally wrecks someone to where they could possibly get hurt, a line needs to be drawn. SN: Great runs by Menard, Allmendinger, Speed, and Ambrose. Montoya's oval win is coming soon. 42. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "When did Dale Earnhardt ever take anyone out while being 100+ laps down?" Yeah, this. Also, I think Earnhardt was smart enough to know that spinning someone intentionally at that high speed is an extremely bad idea. 43. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think this is exactly how it happened: Carl: "Hey, everyone seems to hate this Keselowski kid, and he already wrecked me three times. If I take him out, I'll be even more popular! That'll be real cool!" Looks like it backfired, Lmao. 44. New 14&88 Fan posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Bronco thinks it's perfectly fine for one driver to deliberately launch another into the catch fence(and possibly into the grandstands)because the first driver is driving "recklessly".....Thank God he's not in charge of anything in NA$CAR. Kryle Busch, Diva Hamlin and Rick Hendrick's Puppet might be douchbags,but at least they show their real personalities.Carl Edwards aka Mr. Mayberry is more two-faced than most politicians...his interview after he was parked drove me up the wall..."That was not what I was expecting"BULLSHIT What did he expect would happen when you turn somebody at 190 mph?? Rant aside,congrats to Kurt and his team on a great win,great runs for Kenseth, JPM,Kasey Kahne, Menard and the Dinger. 45. Eric posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards did a Nationwide series move on Brad. I seen Jay Sauter wreck a driver several laps down years in the Nationwide series because he got wreck by the same driver. I didn't recall it happening at high speed track like Atlanta though. Greg Biffle once called Carl Edwards Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde a few years ago on inside Nascar if I remember right. That tells you something about the Carl Edwards right there. Brad is no angel on the track, but getting back on a driver several laps on a High backed 1 and half mile track is uncalled for. That move is Carl did is made for short tracks and 1 mile tracks. I was a Big Dale Sr. fan and I can tell you that Dale Sr. was smart enough not to spin someone intentionally at high speeds. This from someone that follows Nascar since 1993. 46. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, most of the drivers, including Biffle and Kenseth who are his teammates, say that Carl in real life is nothing like he is in front of the cameras. Not a very pleasant guy to be around. 47. Sean posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Greg Sacks at Charlotte in 1993 would seem to qualify as an example of Earnhardt punting someone at high speeds, even though Earnhardt said he didn't wreck him and just took the air off him, that's hard to believe, because Earnhardt supposedly said on his radio, "We need a caution and we'll handle bringing one out." But I will agree that that wasn't quite as obnoxious as Edwards's punt today... 48. Eric posted: 03.07.2010 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt has the track figured out. Lots of tire problems at the track today for many drivers. Atlanta is a Faster and bigger version of Darlington. Scott Speeds 2nd career top 10 happened today. Great runs by Menard,A.J. Allmendinger, Regan Smith and Bill Elliott. 49. joey2448 posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) when the edwards/keselowski crash happened, one of the first things i thought of was what a shame it was since brad was running sixth at the time...he was on track to have a great day. oh well...other guys got great finished like menard and allmendinger. i've never been a fan of paul menard cuz it seems he only races cuz his daddy can afford it. but after today, maybe he does have the talent...we'll see. 50. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @Bronco ...just...wow... You my friend are the biggest scumbag on the face of the Earth. That wreck could have easilly killed Keselowski! DID YOU NOT SEE THE ROOF CAVED IN ON THE DRIVERS SIDE!? YEAH THERE IS SO MUCH TO CELEBRATE THERE YOU f**kING TOOL! And you know what, he deserves to be fined/suspended/put on probation because he was OVER 100 LAPS DOWN AT THE TIME, and he decides to call the wahmbulance and take out a 6th place car! His interview made him lose all credibility he ever had. P.S. I'm not a fan of Keselowski, but I love when underdogs have good runs, so don't give me that "Oh boo hoo, your driver got what was coming to him. Call the wahmbulance!" bullshit. Other than that, I have to say this was actually a pretty damn good Atlanta race. The racing was really good, we had the potential to have a photo finish before Edwards became a tool, and the best part, we had alot of new faces in the top 10! Menard and Speed are currently in the chase! I like that. Jr Wise, He was good until tire problems plagued the team. But if any of you were paying attention, he pulled another Daytona 500 in those last restarts. He was 27th, a lap down on the 2nd to last caution, and 20th on the last caution, he obviously made some fast moves to get back up to 15th in the end, so say what you want about him, but honestly, I'm not complaining with the finish. And he is only 7 points out of the chase too. Damn, I really had alot to say... 51. Red posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The way this race ended really pissed me off. When you combine the multiple GWC's, double-file restarts, and the wave-around rule, the finish was more of a circus than a race. Why even bother running the first 490 miles? NASCAR's welfare system just puts everyone back on the lead lap and bunches up the field for a contrived, crapshoot finish. Guys who ran multiple laps down all day (Smith, Junior, Newman, Gordon, Sadler) were handed top 20 finishes by these bullshit rules, while drivers who ran strong (Truex, McMurray, Gilliland) ended up wrecked. What a joke. Paul Menard looks shockingly competent this year (9th in points...holy shit), and Scott Speed appears to have finally pulled his head out of his ass for good. Dinger scores his best non-plate finish. Overall the racing was pretty good for a 1.5 miler. But I'm still looking forward to the spoiler. 52. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Bronco, you sir, are an idiot. Yeah, im for taking off the gloves, but to do what he did to Keselowski, I hope to god that, if Edwards is allowed to race at Bristol in two weeks, that he gets his. Yeah, there is a revenge, but what Edwards did was almost attempted murder. If he wanted to wreck him, he should of at least did it at the exit of a turn, not at the fastest part of the track, with a car that has a tendency to get air if turned backwards at a high rate of speed. 53. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Post 17, I have seen it for a while. I had always found Carl to be a bit of an asshole, and im finally glad people are starting to realize that 54. Kit posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with this part: "Carl Edwards makes me respect guys like Kyle Busch, and Kevin Harvick. They are assholes, and make no apologies, make no pretenses, and make no lies." But I don't agree with this part: "They're interesting, and they bring intrigue to the sport." Not really, you can find guys with attitudes like Busch and Harvick anywhere. Carl Edwards's move reminds me of a dirty hit in a football game in which Carolina player Dante Wesley jumped up and hit a Tampa Bay player who didn't even have the football. They better throw the book at Edwards. Sit him out for a race if they have to. "If he did that at Bristol or Martinsville, that's understandable. But this is Atlanta." You could still get killed at Briston or Martinsville. 55. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit, that is true, but short of ramping the wall or a car, no one is going airborne at Bristol or Martinsville because of speed, and with all of the safety measures there, you would have to have a Michael Waltrip style crash to happen for there to be any shot at life threatening injuries, but with the way they have everything at Bristol now, the odds of someone getting killed in a crash at Bristol or Martinsville is quite low, at least in a Cup car. 56. Brad posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @Kit in response to my post (#41): If my memory serves me correct, I don't believe anyone has hit 200mph at Martinsville or Bristol. Also, that last car that flipped at Bristol that I remember was David Green in 1997. No car has ever flipped at Martinsville. Yes you can still be killed on a short track, but on high speed track like Atlanta you have a much better chance of getting hurt. 57. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, more like Earnhardt didn't "intentionally" wreck someone. Yeah, there were instances where it was uncalled for, but he at least did it in a fashion where one can legitmately say "Yeah, it could of been intentional, but I've seen many crashes like that before, it could of been accidental". 58. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, the wreck that happened when Keselowski's bumper was in the way when Carl was going down the track, thats what it exactly was. Just a racing incident. Keselowski barely budged, and Carl tried to make a hole that wasn't there. That was not like Scott Speed and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. at Toledo, where Stenhouse defintely deserved it for riding on Speed down an entire straightaway, and dumping him, what Keselowski did, that would of happened to anybody. 59. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You could still get killed at Briston or Martinsville." And at Phoenix where Brad intentionally wrecked Hamlin. That was just as dangerous because the field was bunched up, but everyone thought it was great. 60. Critic posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone who has seen John Frankenheimer's 'Grand Prix' might remember a scene right after Sarti's fatal accident, where his mistress is overtaken by hysterics and starts demanding to know if 'this is what [they] want!' while the ambulance pulls away. It's utterly maudlin, yet perfectly captures my thoughts on Edwards' response this afternoon. You reap what you sow. The sport's advertisements are replete with cars pirouetting through the air and dramatically colliding with one another. The France's also made it a point this off-season to emphasize that everyone was being let off the leash, a decision that was met with almost universal praise. Since they are employing this lecherous angle in order to entice people to watch, Helton (et. al.) have no room to now sanctimoniously condemn someone for enacting their 'right' to retaliate under the new policy. If that's the image they want to present for the sport, they are also responsible for its innumerable manifestations, including the potential for serious injury or death. However, do not interpret the above as an apology for Carl Edwards' actions, because I find what he did unforgivable, and he should watch Bristol at home. If Keselowski or a fan had been fatally injured, the resulting scandal would have been catastrophic for both Edwards (manslaughter charge, anyone?) and the sport. There is a time and place for everything, and while both deserve a lesson in the importance of respect, Atlanta is not the facility at which to make a point. Even Dale Earnhardt, who made retaliation an art form and is often brought up vis a vis this issue, would never have put someone in such jeopardy. This is an excellent transition into my next point: I think the heart of the matter, a reality we'd like to conceal behind Edwards' ignorance, is incredibly disconcerting. The truth is that we have a sport made up of primarily self-indulgent, petulant children, who treat this enterprise as a birthright and game rather than a privilege. Many of them regularly show appalling dissonance and immaturity, lacking the circumspection required to act as in-event adjudicators. The first signs of this de-evolution began when the gentlemen's agreement of racing back to the line under caution had to be replaced by a firm rule, and it reached a nadir today. The problem is that when fools play a man's game, someone will eventually draw a short straw. I believe the sanctioning body's frequent intervention in the competition is not only a product of their desire to exert total control over the sport, but a result of the field's composition and today's driver archetype. They have to be an overbearing, even patronizing overseer, because quite a few in the sport today lack basic traits the rest of us adults have had to develop. I don't expect everyone to be Alan Kulwicki and come with a mechanical engineering degree; this has never been a domain of intellectuals. But I think we have more dysfunctional individuals in this sport than ever before, and many of them would have benefited from some college and life experience before starting their professional careers. The disappointment of this race was Truex, who ran well all day and was solidly in the top-ten, getting taken out on the restart brought by Edwards' retaliation. 61. Matt G posted: 03.07.2010 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone else find it odd that 20 years ago when drivers took each other out and it was really likely you could get hurt (or even die) nobody ever said anything about safety? Oddly, it's now that that conditions are safer than they have ever been that drivers are talking about how they could have killed someone whenever a payback is issued. I'm not saying that what Edwards did was right but it just seems the new way to throw other driver's under the bus when they take you out is to say "oh we could have killed someone". With that said, Carl's an idiot for not waiting one more race to do what he did. 62. Critic posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unrelated to my post above, am I the only one who sees a bit of resemblance in this situation to Ernie Irvan's idiocy at Darlington in 1990? 63. Cooper posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Very nicely said Critic. And Yes very disappointing finishes for a lot of drivers. Brad wrecked with 3 to go yet finishes 18 laps down? Dale Jr. on the lead lap? Gordon? I don't know if I like the multiple GWC or not.... 64. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That is a good point Cooper, but I would think at the same time, when NASCAR was promoting its races witeh cars flipping and such, they were thinking along the lines of bumping, banging, wreck happens with hard racing, and that is that, not a driver retaliating (with the end result being a flipped race car at least), and risking some life/lives. You are right that this does put NASCAR in a bit of a pickle. 65. Matt G posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like the multiple GWC rule. It's the wave around rule that allowed all of those cars to get back on the lead lap. 66. Kit posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Unrelated to my post above, am I the only one who sees a bit of resemblance in this situation to Ernie Irvan's idiocy at Darlington in 1990?" To me, Ernie Irvan was too aggressive without specifically trying to intentionally wreck someone. 67. Kit posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't expect everyone to be Alan Kulwicki and come with a mechanical engineering degree; this has never been a domain of intellectuals." While I agree with your post, I have to point out that you don't need to be from an engineering background to be an intellectual. "If my memory serves me correct, I don't believe anyone has hit 200mph at Martinsville or Bristol. Also, that last car that flipped at Bristol that I remember was David Green in 1997. No car has ever flipped at Martinsville. Yes you can still be killed on a short track, but on high speed track like Atlanta you have a much better chance of getting hurt." Brad, I saw a driver at a race in Arizona (it might have been Phoenix) back in the 80s where he wrecked, had his car pinned between another, and they caught on fire. He died. I'd really like for you to tell his family about those probabilities. I think it was Sterling Marlin who had to be treated for burns at Bristol. Also, didn't Michael Waltrip or somebody totally dissect a car while at Bristol? Then we have J.D. McDuffie who died on a road course. Automobile racing is inherently dangerous, regardless of where you race at. It doesn't matter what the probability is versus tracks, there's still quite a bit of danger at short tracks, enough not to drive stupid like Edwards. 68. Kit posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) martin-n-rusty, Read my post above. 69. Critic posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit: "While I agree with your post, I have to point out that you don't need to be from an engineering background to be an intellectual." I was going to include Dr. Jonathan Palmer and Tony Brooks (dentist), but his was the name that first came to mind. While it might not be the fairest comparison, more than one modified driver has met their end at Martinsville and Thompson. 70. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit, I never said you can't get killed at Bristol or Martinsville, I just said the odds are quite low, at least in a Cup car, unless some sort of neglegence happens. 71. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.07.2010 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wow, I'm really late to this party. Glad to see the sentiment is overwhelmingly against Carl. I don't even know where to start on this one. First of all, Thank the Good Lord Brad or any spectators weren't injured. To take a direct roof-first hit like that is beyond scary. Secondly, the first wreck was totally Carl's fault. Hell, Brad even tried to lift and couldn't. Just like Talladega last year, he cut across Brad's hood and even ADMITTED it both times. He is just frustrated at his recent lack of success. Third thing: BRISTOL IS THE NEXT RACE!! Hey genius, ever hear of a thing called being subtle? I don't care how mad you are, if you can't see that spinning somebody going 190 mph is going to turn out badly, then you need to step out and re-evaluate things. Hell, even Dale Mears understands this, waiting until the fall Richmond race in 2008 to pay Kryle back. And even start to compare what Carl did to anything Dale Sr did. He was smart enought to wait and make it look accidental. I don't underatand why the drivers hate Brad so much. He must have slept with all their girlfriends (we'll have to see if Carl's new daughter looks like Brad). Yes he has had a few run ins. So has everyone else. Anyone remember JPM in 2007 and 2008? It's funny that the people that are the maddest at him (Kryle, Diva, and Carl) have caused quite a ton of accidents themselves. Remember Kryle wrecking Dale Mears at Richmond or causing huge pile ups at Loudon 2009 or Daytona Summer 2009? How about Diva running over Reut at Pocono ON THE STRAIGHTAWAY? Or Carl causing the big one at Talladega in 2008? It's called racing, it happens. Brad isn't that bad, it's just that the run ins he's had are with the biggest whiners out there. 72. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ This 73. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As for the rest of the race: How smart does Kryle Busch feel now? Hmmmm, I won 8 races in 2008 and 4 in 2009 (only to miss the cha$e because of my many driving blunders) with Steve Addington as my crew chief. Think I'll ask for a new one. Dipshit. Great run by Kasey Kahne. Those late cautions killed his chances at a win, but he looked strong. He'll be putting up big numbers at HMS next year. Yes, as somebody said above, I was gonna mention JPM blowing the race at the end by spinning his tires and losing to Kurt even though JPM had the best car at the end. He is the bizarro Jimmie Johnson. The ending was a mess. And I hate the wave around rule. It is, like said above, a version of welfare. Jamie Mac causes his second wreck in two weeks. Where's the outrage over this? Oh right, people realize THIS IS RACING!! Things happen. When Brad got dumped in the Memphis Truck race after dominating in a one shot deal or the NWide Vegas race when Mark wrecked him, did he whine and complain? No! So all Brad haters can kiss my #12 loving ass. 74. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't mind the wave around rule, as at least you don't have to worry about the leader fighting through all sorts of traffic on restarts. If you are further back, well thats of your own doing, but if you are towards the front, you shouldn't have to deal with lapped/near lapped traffic being a hinderance. If anything, I like that better than the lucky dog rule. Want your lap back under caution, take the risk of not pitting, and being on older tires and/or less fuel, and then hope for another caution. Yeah, there could be potential for abuse, but just keep a close eye out for any funny business. 75. Eric posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Critic, Going to College doesn't exactly mean a person will become more mature. NBA, and NFL players go to college and they still get in trouble or they are very immature people. Terrell Owens Owens is prime example of a person that went to college and acts very immature. I remembered hearing years ago that Kyle Busch was smart enough to go to college. He had a 3.8 GPA Some of the drivers that are immature, actually have real life experiences they had to deal with growing up or before they got hired by Nascar owners. Tony Stewart's parents divorced around the time he graduated from High school and Carl Edwards parents divorced sometime when Carl was growing up as a kid or as a teen. Carl Edwards worked as substitute teacher besides racing on local tracks before Jack Roush hired him as a driver. 76. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Remember Kryle wrecking Dale Mears at Richmond or causing huge pile ups at Loudon 2009 or Daytona Summer 2009? How about Diva running over Reut at Pocono ON THE STRAIGHTAWAY?" You know, I find it pretty funny how you continue to compare Dale Jr to a guy who has missed the past 4 Cup races and sadly finds his Cup career on life support. I was pleased with Dale Jr's race. He started on pole, didn't get to lead a lap, but was in the top 5 and top 10 most of the race before the tire problems came up. Him and Jeff Gordon then ran 30th most of the day, and thanks to attrition/wave arounds/restarts he finished 15th and moved up in the standings. "He'll be putting up big numbers at HMS next year." Oh, you wish don't you buddy? It's too bad you'll be disappointed to see Dale Jr right back in the #88 next year, given that he's now remembered how to dri.. - I mean given that he now has better cars. 77. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also to add, first Top 10 for Scott Speed at a non-restrictor plate track, and barring any unforseen penalties and not qualifying for Bristol in two weeks, or just flat out collapsing in the points, Speed should have the 82 car safely in the Top 35 this season 78. Dodge posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I wish Bronco could be banned from posting. He is the biggest idiot I've ever seen. If I ran NASCAR, it would be 4 race weekend suspension and no appeal. Gotta show him that you take safety seriously. I had always liked Carl before but not sure now. As a Dodge and Ford fan, I'll still follow him but probably not for wins, just to see how he acts. 79. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The reason modern drivers tend to drive recklessly is simple; it's much safer to do so. When driving like an idiot would send you into the hospital, people obviously learned quickly. Now, we really, really need stricter enforcement of driving standards, all the way down to the local track level, because these guys simply will not learn any other way. 80. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Agreed BAFF. Heck, I had an uncle that raced on dirt tracks around Pennsylvania, and it was frowned upon seriously if you even attempted anything that would of constituted rough driving, since those guys are on budgets, and the safety isn't top of the line. I'm for letting NASCAR drivers policing themselves, like NASCAR said was going to happen, but when you are trying to, or spin out a car at 190-200 mph, especially with a car that has been known to flip or catch some air when it goes backwards, something needs to be done. Brad Keselowski's life was sparred because of some of the more modern safety technology, but I can imagine the discussion bordering on what was going on after the Dale Earnhardt death had that been in the old car, because I could not see Keselowski coming out of that wreck uninjured in an old car. 81. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "I wish Bronco could be banned from posting. He is the biggest idiot I've ever seen. If I ran NASCAR, it would be 4 race weekend suspension and no appeal." Ah, if only wishes were horses. It's a good thing you don't run NASCAR then you dumbass. NASCAR were the ones who asked for this when they told the drivers that they would let them police themselves and that the sport needed rivalries. Fans wanted that too, and now we've got people crying over an incident in which NO ONE was hurt. And you can also blame NASCAR for tacking on that dumb wing to the cars in the first place (Thank God it's coming off soon). The wing was what lifted the #12 into the air while the cowl and roof flaps failed to do their job. 82. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bronco's attempts to defend himself are absolutely hilarious. What you gonna say about me? My face is hilarious? Already beat ya to it. 83. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm so glad everyone is starting to see what I've been saying about Bronco for months. 84. Matt G posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have mixed emotions on the wave around rule. While I don't like all those cars getting bck on the lead lap, those cars that get the wave around are the ones who are getting caught up in all these late race wrecks when we have multiple GWC so some of their days actually get worse in the end. If you're up front all day (and at the end) you're far less likely to get involved in these late race incidents. If you look at the finishing order, it's pretty close to what it probably should have been in relation to where people ran all day. (With a couple of exceptions. Dale Jr. higher and Kyle Busch lower for example) 85. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "I'm so glad everyone is starting to see what I've been saying about Bronco for months." Run out of Kleenex already? If not, go back to sobbing about how Carl was the first to the pay window and how he taught that wreckless punk a lesson he'll never forget. 86. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Spencer took Carl's side very loudly and put down DW for taking Brad's side. Spencer feels like most fans outside this site that Brad has caused way too many wrecks. I can't see how he thinks this was Brad's fault, but like he said it had more to do with history than today. Me, I think they're both idiots. The wave around is exactly how it should be. If you're in front of the leader you're on the lead lap. Every other racing series figured this out years ago. 87. Smokefan05 posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Spencer took Carl's side very loudly and put down DW for taking Brad's side. Spencer feels like most fans outside this site that Brad has caused way too many wrecks. I can't see how he thinks this was Brad's fault, but like he said it had more to do with history than today. Me, I think they're both idiots." How many cars has Spencer taken with him when he rips his head off of his shoulders? 88. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You know, I find it pretty funny how you continue to compare Dale Jr to a guy who has missed the past 4 Cup races and sadly finds his Cup career on life support." Put Dale Mears in that #90 car and see what happens. Give him a different father whose rabid fanbase he never inherits, thus not being able to get a huge sponsorship deal, and see how he does. Hell, he has the best cars in the garage with the biggest sponsorship in the garage, and he still can only be mediocre at best. 10 cars that were running in front of him crashed out late and he STILL only finished 15th. BTW, since June 2006 (43 months ago) do you know who has the exact same number of Cup wins as Driver #88? That's right, Casey Mears, and they were both fuel mileage wins. You know who else has the same number of Cup wins since then? That's right, Brad Krashalotski (I'm completely unbothered by that nickname due to my confidence in his future while you Dale Mears apologists go nuts when I call him that). Feel the burn. Actually, you may be right, Bronco. The comparison may be unfair....... to Casey Mears. 89. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bronco, give up while you can. You're making yourself out to be an even bigger douchebag with every post you make. 90. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""I'm so glad everyone is starting to see what I've been saying about Bronco for months." Run out of Kleenex already? If not, go back to sobbing about how Carl was the first to the pay window and how he taught that wreckless punk a lesson he'll never forget." Seriously. What the hell is that smell? 91. Brad posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @Kit (#67) Like "martin-n-rusty," I never said that racing was not dangerous. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I had no idea about that wreck in Arizona in the 80's. I wasn't even born until '88. I never said that you couldn't get hurt or killed on a short track. Look at Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin and many others. I was just saying that you have a better chance of getting hurt on a superspeedway than on a short track b/c of the high speeds. I was just voicing my opinion and I never meant to offend anyone. 92. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "BTW, since June 2006 (43 months ago) do you know who has the exact same number of Cup wins as Driver #88? That's right, Casey Mears, and they were both fuel mileage wins." BTW, since February 2008 do you know who has the same number of Cup wins as Driver #24? Why, it's the same sorry little boy who went for the ride of his life today, Brad Krashalotski. So by your logic, I suppose he's an equal driver to Jeff Gordon. And since Johnson, Shrub, Hamlin, Edwards all have tons more wins than Driver #24 in that same span of time, I supposed they're all better than one of the greatest drivers this sport has ever seen. That's the thing about stats my friend, you can twist them around to say the dumbest things. According to you Paul Menard is probably better than Jeff Gordon since he's currently higher up in the standings. 93. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Seriously. What the hell is that smell?" You tell me, you're the one who shitted all over himself watching Krashalotski flip over. 94. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How many cars has Spencer taken with him when he rips his head off of his shoulders?" Funny, Spenc said the same thing about DW. 95. Bob posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was one of the best races ive seen in a long time. By far the best race in any series all year so far. First off Jr. get the pole for the first time in almost two years then has tire problems and falls like a rock. Which brings me to my next point, considering how awful the tires were this weekend we saw lots of good racing. Robby Gordon continues to struggle, He'll be forced to shut down my mid season due to lack of sponsership im sure. Carl Edwards needs to be suspended for a minumum of 1 race for his punting Brad around and almost killing someone. And Harvik is now officially Mr. where did he come from. And im not just saying that because Mike Joy said it, he was riding around in the 30s most of the race to have a top 10 finish. Kurt Busch was able to hold off a hard charging Montoya for antother win at Atlanta. And last but not least good runs by some guys who really needed them. Ex. Paul Menard, A.J Allmendinger, Scott Speed, Regan Smith. 96. Anonymous posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DaleSrFanForever, Did it occur to you that the 88 car was running in 6th place before having tire problems 3 times during the same race? Did it also occur to you that Jeff Gordon, Ryan Newman, Mark Martin,Ryan Newman,Tony Stewart and Jimmie Johnson had tire problems during the race as Hendrick or Hendrick affiliated teammates to the 88 car? The last time I check, Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson are known to be great at saving their tires. Matter of fact the Gibbs organization had tires issues all race long. I am pretty sure One of the RCR cars had tire issues also. My point is that other cars had tire problems like the 88 car. The 88 car was 2 laps down because of tire problems at one point. Dale only got one the lead lap because of one the two final cautions during the race. It didn't give dale a lot of time to pass cars as a result. 97. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You tell me, you're the one who shitted all over himself watching Krashalotski flip over." Two poop jokes (well, actually one poop joke twice. Originality ftw!) in one day. Congratulations. You're Five years old. But in all seriousness. Thanks for proving just how stupid you are. After all, I can't make you look this dumb all by myself. You played a major role in making yourself look dumb. This victory is just as much mine as it is yours. Now, seriously, put the pipe down. You can OD on that stuff. 98. Bronco posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Now, seriously, put the pipe down. You can OD on that stuff." Lol, You would know, wouldn't ya? Now go back to crying, your box of tissues isn't finished yet. 99. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ I lol'd 100. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reffering to Cfbob 101. Matt G posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's a something I'd like to know everyone's opinion on. If Carl doesn't dump Keselowski and bring out that caution, does Montoya pass Busch? I think we might have been in for another Atlanta photo finish. 102. Ryan posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I lost a lot if not all respect for Carl Edwards today. He could have killed Brad. Totally uncalled for at this juncture in the race. It really ruined a good finish between Kurt and JPM. JPM was catching Kurt at a rapid pace, but passing him would have been another issue. Kevin Harvick takes a 25th place car to finish 9th?! Wow, sounds like what the #3 would do for the longest time, except he would take it in the top 5. Menard, Dinger, and Speed all with top 10's. Nice! 103. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, I think it could have gone both ways, and it would have been a photo finish 104. Bob posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards hit him on purpose. He said so himself, He said and i quote he knows we have history. That made me mad that someone 100 and something laps down takes out a car in the top 10 in the fastest part of the fastest track in NASCAR. Theres 3 short tracks coming up in a row Carl what are you thinking? I cant imagine how hed feel if someone was killed or keselowski was seriously injured. I thought for sure he was when his crew cheif came on the radio and asked him if he was ok and he said im not sure....... The worst possible way to wreck, driver side impact upside down......... 105. BAFF posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @102 It's dumb to make projections this early, especially with the Chase, but you don't win championships by taking race winning cars to the top 5, you do it by dragging awful cars into the top 10. Harvick may be very strong this year. 106. Cfob posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""Now, seriously, put the pipe down. You can OD on that stuff." Lol, You would know, wouldn't ya? Now go back to crying, your box of tissues isn't finished yet." Well, if you DIDN'T know that Crack Kills while indulging in such copious amounts, you'd have to be dumber than I thought. So either you know too, or you're just EXTRA stupid. Also, you've used THAT joke at least four times (more than once this weekend). And who opens a box of tissues with the intention of using all of them in one sitting? That is just REALLY weird. 107. Matt G posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The prediction Cooper made in post #10 is looking pretty good right now. 108. Smokefan05 posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How many cars has Spencer taken with him when he rips his head off of his shoulders?" ""Funny, Spenc said the same thing about DW."" Exactly pot calling kettle black. Matt G. we have a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go, this maybe up too Mikey comment page number. lol 109. New 14&88 Fan posted: 03.07.2010 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Run out of Kleenex already? If not, go back to sobbing about how Carl was the first to the pay window and how he taught that wreckless punk a lesson he'll never forget." Failed Logic is Failed. "Spencer took Carl's side very loudly and put down DW for taking Brad's side. Spencer feels like most fans outside this site that Brad has caused way too many wrecks. I can't see how he thinks this was Brad's fault, but like he said it had more to do with history than today. Me, I think they're both idiots." Jimmy Spencer is a hack who just likes to hear himself talk,thank goodness Speed Channel took him off Victory Lane and put in Kyle Petty. 110. Anonymous posted: 03.08.2010 - 12:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tough to see David Reutimann with a DNF, his first since the October 2008 race at Talladega, a span of 45 races. He was having a solid season until this point. The driver who has gone on the longest without a DNF is Greg Biffle who had an engine failure in the spring Bristol race a year ago. 111. Anonymous posted: 03.08.2010 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jimmy Spencer is a hack who just likes to hear himself talk,thank goodness Speed Channel took him off Victory Lane and put in Kyle Petty." He also called Kyle Petty weak for saying Carl should of waited until Bristol or Martinsville. 112. 18fan posted: 03.08.2010 - 1:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, In Kyle's defense, he had a tire problem early and fell back and had moved up to about 11th-13th, then was running 8th when he was caught up in the wreck. But this is the first season of his Cup career that he went the first four races of the season without a top 10, although it was not all his fault. Daytona: Got in the wrong line at the end(His fault, 14th) California: Top 10 car for sure, ill timed caution, caught a lap down(14th, bad luck) Las Vegas: Top 6 car for sure, ran there all day, sped on pit road(15th, driver error, at least he admitted that he was trying too hard to make up time.) Atlanta: Car good for about 8 laps at a time, then good after about 35 laps. Had a tire problem, was starting to rebound when Carl-Brad incident takes place, makes up time on pit road. He was starting to move on the first G-W-C, when he went to the high side to attempt a pass of Bowyer the crash happened, and he had nowhere to go.(25th, someone else's mess. I think Dave Rogers can set up a racecar, he just needs to get used to the CoT and stop having cars that fall off after 10-15 laps.) 113. Matt G posted: 03.08.2010 - 1:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with 18fan. I think the real test for them though comes in the next race at Bristol. (Where he won both races last year) If Kyle is not contending for a win there, he could be in for a disappointing season. (Bristol is his strong suit.) 114. RR posted: 03.08.2010 - 1:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tommy Baldwin's team is now in the Top 35 in Owners Points with one race to go before 2010 points matter. That is all. 115. 18fan posted: 03.08.2010 - 1:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) RR, the #36 is technically tied with the #37 of Kevin Conway, but since Bliss has posted a better top finish than Conway, Bliss would be in. Boris Said is also on the outside looking in. Robby Gordon is also outside the top 35, and if he falls out he would probably only run selected races. The other two Bob Jenkins cars, Kvapil is ten points ahead of Bliss and Conway and Gilliland is 42 points ahead. 116. Frank posted: 03.08.2010 - 2:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think this race could be called Bradwards 525 in our list for the most important incident and cause of consonance with backward victory lap by Kurt Busch. Card obviouly must visit psychiatrist and took a test on responsibility. Of course he is mad of his loosing streak but it's his and his team fault only. After reading all the comments I agree that start crash wasn't Brad's fault - you couldn't just touch the brakes or even let off the gas laying on the bottom of 24-degrees banking running still on cold tyres. Being Kurt's fan and not fan of Montoya (he is very high in his racing talent but still he is alien in NASCAR) I've watched last laps very attentionally. When I've seen 12 upside down I forgot about all #2 stuff and couldn't breathe until saw Brad is OK. Slammed roof looks VERY BAD. What an excuse for Carl could be even imagined? He acted like a 5-years old buy who don't know this world at all. Brad was my hero after Talladega, he has his own style, he is brave and fearless. Yep, he messed up from time to time like it was at Memphis last year but after yesterdays race he deserves more respect. Moreover I think comparison him to early Dale Sr. have rights to be. All Penske cars ran stong and 12 cracked top-10 together with 77 but later Sam sucked as always and Brad had good finish almost in his hands. Don't forget - we've seen replay from the lap(s) before when 99 tried to loose 12 already at the same place! And by the way I don't think Monoya had a chance to pass Kurt. Remember he reached him on one of the earlier runs but could'n even start the pass - clean air still big issue. The only chance was on the GWC 2 but 42 spoiled it by himself which was nice to see. BAFF, great point about Ganassi cheered on one of his car wrecked. Bristol is the next one but we have off-week. Tempers can ease... or can not. 117. Bertus posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe the 1 car is Teresa's and the 42 is Chips :-) But on to the more serious issue. Nascar did the right thing with black flagging Edwards. Giving him no further penalty would probably be the right thing too. Nascar can't have a 'boys have at it' policy and then punish the behaviour they try to encourage. You can't make exceptions based on the track: If Edwards' move would have been allowed at Bristol then it should be legal at Atlanta. You can't make exceptions based on the severity of the accident - Nascar should imposed sanctions on the incident that triggered the accident. There is no doubt Edwards did it deliberately, but if they would not have punished him for unspectacularly wrecking Keselowski, they shouldn't punish him more. In that context the black flag would probably be fair and I'm willing to bet Nascar might not impose further sanctions on Edwards other than possibly a suspended suspension pending further such incidents. 118. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmy Spencer is an idiot that, as someone said, loves to hear himself speak. I don't like Kyle Petty much either, but he at least has more common sense than Jimmy 119. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bertus, that I would be ok with, putting Carl on probation, and if he tries something else, he is suspended. But then again, this is NASCAR, a series that suspended Jimmy Spencer, and slapped Kurt Busch on the wrists for what happened at Michigan 7 years ago, so who knows what will happen. 120. Nascarfan85 posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) When I were in my teens and used to race motorcycles, I got punted wide by some prat pulling a stupid move, I settled it after the chequered flag with a fist to his jaw not wreck someone at that speed. 121. Nascarfan85 posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyway congrats to Kurt on the win and some good runs by Menard, Allmendinger and Ambrose. 122. Dodge posted: 03.08.2010 - 7:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nascar can't have a 'boys have at it' policy and then punish the behaviour they try to encourage." Wow. This statement is rediculous. NASCAR had NO INTENTION OF TELLING THE DRIVERS TO GO AND WRECK SOMEONE WHEN THEY ARE GOING 195. Where did you come from, Bertus? What NASCAR meant is to encourage BUMPING, not wrecking. I didn't see the video, but someone did that showed Carl was wearing white gloves and I guess you could see him turn the wheel to the right. If he isn't suspended something VERY BAD WILL happen. 123. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 9:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow. This statement is rediculous. NASCAR had NO INTENTION OF TELLING THE DRIVERS TO GO AND WRECK SOMEONE WHEN THEY ARE GOING 195." Hey dumbshit, NASCAR never laid down the rules and specifically defined what was and wasn't allowed. All they said was that they wanted emotion and driver's personalities to come out, and that they would let the drivers police themselves and handle disputes they want to since these drivers are grown men who don't someone to hold their damn hands. Remember too that you the FANS have all been clamoring for a rivalry, well you just got yourself one. Carl obviously meant to spin the #12 and teach him a lesson. The fact that he flew up into the air as I mentioned before is a product of design of the CoT. Hamlin spun the #88 at Homestead and the car stayed on all four wheels since the aero is different on the Nationwide car. Seeing as how both were intentional spins, and Hamlin only had a 1 lap penalty then I dont think Carl needs anything further other than being parked for the day. It's pretty dumb for anyone to think that Carl calculated the right angle and speed at which to send the #12 into the air. You folks are morons if you think that Carl should have waited two weeks to get revenge at Bristol since it's a lower speed track. You can be injured or killed at any racetrack of any size depending on the crash angle and severity. Dale Earnhardt had a bad crash at a massive place like Talladega in 1996 but only suffered a few broken bones. Jerry Nadeau had a practice crash at 3/4 mile Richmond in 2003 and unfortunately has not raced since. Brad needs to make a choice. If he's going to wear his aggressive driver label with pride and continue to needlessly spin out other drivers (the #20 at California in Nationwide) then he's basically a walking target. On the other hand, if he realizes that he can win races and be just as competitive without rooting other drivers out of his way, then he'll probably be doing himself a big favor. What goes around comes around, and the fact that Jason Ratcliff predicted this would exact same thing would happen four months ago shows that what happened Sunday wasn't just frustration from a simple restart crash - it was the culmination of the frustration of several drivers whose days Brad has ruined in the past. 124. box of kleenex posted: 03.08.2010 - 9:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) i think Carl Edwards and Bronco both need to have their asses kicked! 125. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.08.2010 - 9:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Bronco, regardless of if you are asking for it or not, if you were wrecked by a car that was well over 150 laps down, it would be worth it? Yes, I realize that Brad Keselowski is asking for some asskickings here and there for being a rough driver. Hell, at least Keselowski is bumping and banging drivers out of the way for position, not some bullcrap move late in the race that is only ment to take out a driver, not take out a driver, and gain a position. I hope, if Edwards is allowed to race at Bristol next week (which I am sure will happen), that Keselowski makes things even. 126. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 9:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I hope, if Edwards is allowed to race at Bristol next week (which I am sure will happen), that Keselowski makes things even." Seeing as how Krashalotski is now a bubble driver, 33rd in owner points, it would probably be in his own best interests to worry about finishing the race at Bristol with a top 15 or top 20 as opposed to trying to get even with Carl. Unless of course, he wants to qualify with the start and parks at Martinsville. 127. Cooper posted: 03.08.2010 - 9:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Remember. A suspension will cover both Carl's nationwide and Sprint Cup races. Meaning his chance at the nationwide championship could be over in two weeks, giving Brad the points lead when the Bristol race starts. HAHA For the people; saying it's not Carl's fault for the car flipping, you're basically saying "I pulled the trigger on him, I only thought the bullet would hurt him not kill him" sorry. This situation is very unique, because I cannot remember this happening ever in NASCAR. Can one of the long time fans think of a time someone purposely wrecked a top 10 car with 3 to go, when he was 130 laps down, at 190MPH? 128. Ryan posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Couldn't agree more Cooper. There is a right way and wrong way to go about things. And Carl was definitely wrong about what he did. At 190+ is just absolute BS. I say they park him at Bristol or at least a hefty fine, or both. I don't think they will park him for too long because of his sponsors. Nascar doesn't want to run sponsors away from the sport, but Carl doesn't need to be an idiot either. 129. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BTW, since February 2008 do you know who has the same number of Cup wins as Driver #24? Why, it's the same sorry little boy who went for the ride of his life today, Brad Krashalotski." That is because Jeff's heart isn't into winning like it used to be and he has a crew chief that makes crappy pit calls. And since February 2008, Jeff has made 75 Cup starts. Brad has made 21, only 7 of which coming for a team that runs full time and is fully funded. I'm not doubting Jeff's overall career just like I've never doubted Dale Mears' ability to drive a racecar. What I've doubted is where their heads and/or hearts have been at in recent years. In each driver's case, it has been elsewhere. So I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. Oh wait, here it is: "That's the thing about stats my friend, you can twist them around to say the dumbest things." You are right, and you just proved it in your own post. "Carl obviously meant to spin the #12 and teach him a lesson." What lesson is that? When I am in a groove above you and decide to suddenly move down to where your front end already is, you need to slam your brakes and crash yourself to avoid crashing me even though I am the one making the mistake? "It's pretty dumb for anyone to think that Carl calculated the right angle and speed at which to send the #12 into the air." The talk of the garage ever since Talladega last year is that when these cars get sideways at high speeds, they leave the ground. It has been talked about over and over again. We saw it with Carl himself at Spring Tally '09, Newman and Mark at Fall Tally '09. It is simply a known fact, when the winged COT's get sideways, they leave the ground. Carl had 150 laps in the garage to think about this. That either never occurred to him (which would make him a complete ignorant dolt) or he knew. It was done with completely malicious intent in mind. Just watch his post wreck interview. After intentionally causing one of the scariest looking crashes ever, he wasn't the least bit shaken. Compare this to Dale Earnhardt's interview after Talladega in 1993 when he sent Rusty flipping, Tony Stewart's interview after the 2009 Firecracker 400 (Tony Stewart?), or Brad's interview after the 2009 Talladega race when the roles were reversed (though both wrecks were Carl's fault). After pulling one of the all time upset NASCAR victories and winning his first career Cup race less than 2 years after doing NWide start and parks, he kept saying I hope he's alright over and over again. Carl needs psychiatric evaluation. And that isn't a joke. I'm dead serious. "Jason Ratcliff predicted this would exact same thing would happen " Yeah, when you have seven months to sit on your ass for blatently trying to cheat a NASCAR dyno test and getting suspended, you have a lot of time to think about stuff like that. 130. Ryan posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, I put this a lot on Jack Roush as well. He should have told Carl to stay in the garage. You have to be responsible for your team. Another reason why I think your owner or somebody high up in the organization should be there at the race. 131. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "For the people; saying it's not Carl's fault for the car flipping, you're basically saying "I pulled the trigger on him, I only thought the bullet would hurt him not kill him" sorry." Great analogy. Besides, like I said, he knew it would hurt. He wasn't the least bit shaken in his interview. He knew what would happen if he spun somebody out at 190mph. Maybe he didn't anticipate the flip and roof first impact, but he meant to hurt him. Judging by Carl's reaction, it was like a pleasant surprise. @18fan, post 112: I rspect your viewpoint. Yes, Kyle has had bad luck, but the #2 car has been much faster than him at every race this year, and he got to victory lane first. I don't know who pulled the trigger, but to dump Addington after 12 wins in less than 2 years, and blame him for his driver's on track frustration blunders was a dumb move the they will regret (but never publically acknowledge) for a long time. 132. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One thing I forgot to mention in post 129: The first wreck, I think Carl was goading Brad by cutting down so sharply. He is an emotional mess, period. He needs to be suspended for both NASCAR races at Bristol, but NASCAR also needs to get Carl on an evaluation program. Something isn't right. And the way Brad handled it was amazing. He never yelled, never called anyone names, just stated it exactly how it was. I'm telling ya, if they can get the car close for him, he WILL be a contender in Cup. Emotionally he is so far ahead of most everyone else. 133. potatosalad48 posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl deserves whatever punishment he gets, and it's still not good enough. He could've killed someone. 134. Baker posted: 03.08.2010 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. Keswlowski is an ahole again and takes out yet another Gibbs car with one of his arrogant mindless moves. 2. That caution spree at the end handed this race to the 3rd best car as Juan and Kahne both had better cars. If no Caution Juan had the race won. 3. Great job Edwards. That arrogant punk deserves everything he got. Now maybe he'll think twice about doing it again, and if the bonehead does keep it up running people over at every level ever week then I hope someone else does it again 4. Clearly Edward didn't mean to flip Keselowski or make it such a scary wreck. Yes it was intentional, but Keselowski deserved every bit of what he got. I'm glad Carl used his retaliation on a lock Top 5 finish too because it hurts all the more as those are hard to come by. 135. Cooper posted: 03.08.2010 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another part of this feud, has to do with the nationwide race at Daytona earlier this year. Remember Brad and Edwards triggered the big wreck when Jr. flipped. That was when Brad side drafted Carl, forcing Carl into Jr. and starting the melee. Carl has definitely been pissed at Brad for a while now, and for some reason Carl's brain went haywire at Lap 322. In addition, there is going to be a lot of pieces revealed to the puzzle between these two later in what will be the longest two week break ever. 136. b4il3y posted: 03.08.2010 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker: So he deserved to die? Which is what could have happened? Nice. I'll sum this up for everyone involved. Someone posted that wrecking someone going into the fastest part of the fastest track was not what nascar intended when they said, "take the gloves off". I saw the post race interviews, and I do believe Edwards was surprised when Brad's car lifted. Guess Carl did not learn that this huge chicken wing on the back is causing the flipping again (thought he would've learned after taking a ride himself). Brad is what all of you have been hollaring for, someone who dosen't take crap from the big boys. He didn't take crap from Hamlin, and he didn't take it from Carl. Last time I looked, he's a rookie and will make rookie mistakes with a good car. If Carl wanted some payback, wait till after the race and then fight it out. Let em go out back and beat the hell out of each other until they're both satisfied. What Carl did could have killed people, and not just Brad. Hell wait till Bristol, Martinsville to rub and payback. Carl needs to check Rusty's pre-race speech at the drivers meeting before the Daytona 500 in 1994, after Neil and Rodney Orr got killed. There is a time and place for everything, and Atlanta is not the place to get payback for a wreck. If for some reason Brad was killed during that wreck, what state does that put Nascar in? Worse off than it has ever been in it's existence, because Nascar told them to "take the gloves off". Remember, Carl is still a young dude too and thinks before he acts...ask Dale Jr. when Carl sideswipped him last year..but at least then he waited till speeds were down. This was totally off the chart inexcusable, and I would say so if it was any driver I actually like doing the wrecking. 137. Cooper posted: 03.08.2010 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) b4il3y posted: Carl needs to check Rusty's pre-race speech at the drivers meeting before the Daytona 500 in 1994, after Neil and Rodney Orr got killed. For those that don't know, or haven't heard this, link below; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPLZhAhCtg 138. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.08.2010 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey dumbshit, NASCAR never laid down the rules and specifically defined what was and wasn't allowed. All they said was that they wanted emotion and driver's personalities to come out, and that they would let the drivers police themselves and handle disputes they want to since these drivers are grown men who don't someone to hold their damn hands. Remember too that you the FANS have all been clamoring for a rivalry, well you just got yourself one." Hey dumbshit, it's common sense that you don't intentionally wreck someone in the top 10 while you're over 100 laps down at speeds of 200 miles an hour! Durpa Duuuuuuuuuuuuur! 139. Frank posted: 03.08.2010 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cooper, big thanks for this link. Surely Carl didn't know about it... 140. Rusty posted: 03.08.2010 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's absurd people are actually blaming Keselowski for that crash. It was ALL on Carl Edwards. He cut across Brad's nose and took himself out of the race. Then threw a fit and crashed Brad after he wrecked himself. That's like me running down the hall and running into someone, then turning around and punching him in the face for hitting me. 141. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.08.2010 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cooper, great link, and great analogy you made. Hell if Carl even wanted to wreck Keselowski, as I said, he should of did it going out of Turn 2 or 4 where they are not yet at top speed, never at the end of the straightaway where they are going 190-200mph, and not on the right rear quarter panel either, and have him go head first into the wall. 142. Anonymous posted: 03.08.2010 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The crash reminded me about Russell Phillips crash in 1995 which killed him, that's how close it was about to become. Brad would have died if it was like the 1980s and 90s. 143. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You are right, and you just proved it in your own post." Good. Now that I have proved that, maybe you'll refrain from bringing up pointless statistics and scrutinizing drivers at the weakest points of their careers. It doesn't matter that Dale Jr and Jeff Gordon have only a win each in the last 3 years while their teammate has 14 in that same span of time. History will judge them and everyone else based on what they achieved OVERALL. And with 100 combined wins between them, I think history will judge them quite favorably. "What lesson is that?" Speak softly, but carry a big stick. Carl just showed that while he is a nice guy, he'll do whatever it takes to get his message across. Carl's move wasn't just retaliation for the lap 41 incident; it was for all the times that Krashalotski has wrecked him, bumped him and not given him any room at all in the name of "racing hard." Krashalotski is the last person to complain about driver or fan safety after all the stunts he has pulled. "Carl needs psychiatric evaluation. And that isn't a joke. I'm dead serious." Lol, what's next? Should Carl also pee in a cup to prove that this wasn't another roid rage episode? "After intentionally causing one of the scariest looking crashes ever, he wasn't the least bit shaken." Seeing as knows what its like to smash through the fence like he did at Talladega last year, I don't think he needs to be shaken. "Oh yeah, I put this a lot on Jack Roush as well. He should have told Carl to stay in the garage. You have to be responsible for your team." That's the responsibility of the crew chief, not the owner. The 16 and 17 were running competitively so it makes sense to pay attention to them as opposed to a damaged car. "I don't know who pulled the trigger, but to dump Addington after 12 wins in less than 2 years, and blame him for his driver's on track frustration blunders was a dumb move the they will regret (but never publically acknowledge) for a long time." This I agree with. I just love how Steve won in his 4th start with his new team while the 18 hasn't even cracked the top 10 this season. "4. Clearly Edward didn't mean to flip Keselowski or make it such a scary wreck. Yes it was intentional, but Keselowski deserved every bit of what he got. I'm glad Carl used his retaliation on a lock Top 5 finish too because it hurts all the more as those are hard to come by." You're absolutely right. Krashalotski was on track to have the best finish that the #12 has seen in almost two years, so it's appropriate that his day was ruined, just like all the other drivers whose days he has ruined in Nationwide. Best part is, being 33rd in owner points going to Bristol in two weeks has really got to be stinging his ass. Here's the deal. If it wasn't Edwards that did it, then it would have been Hamlin, or Shrub, or JPM, or Stewart or any number of drivers who Krashalotski has pissed off in the past or will piss off in the future. Why does it matter that Krashalotski was 6th while Edwards was 150 laps down? Would it really matter if they were both going for the lead, or going for 20th place? 144. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.08.2010 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Carl just showed that while he is a nice guy, he'll do whatever it takes to get his message across." Attempt to kill someone, a very nice message 145. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's go back in time, shall we? Here are a few comments from the 2008 Dickies 500 at Texas (a sister track to AMS) regarding the incident when Gilliland turned JPM head on into the wall on the backstretch. JPM was in the top 10 or 15 at the time, while Gilliland was a lap or two down, which is somewhat similar to this incident. 13. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.08 - 1:30 pm Neal, I agree with what you said 100%. I am not excusing Gilliland, but if anyone deserved what happened, it was Montoya. He has no respect for anyone on the track, he just constantly runs into people then acts like it is no big deal, until he gets run into. Somebody needed to put him in his place. But David should have waited until they got to the corner, then planted him. On the straightaway you run a much bigger risk of collecting other cars. NASCAR says no further penalties will be coming. I think even they realize Montoya needs to be taken down a few pegs. 19. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.08 - 12:10 pm Dodge, little taps don't happen from one driver every single week. The guy has no respect and thinks he can just run over everyone, and now he is being put in his place. If he ever gets in good equipment and tries doing stuff like that to the top dogs, he will get dumped a lot. They will be smarter than Gilliland and be more discreet about it, but they won't take it either. So it appears as though when a driver who you have made clear you don't like (JPM) gets intentionally wrecked by somebody else at a fast track it's ok. But when a driver who you worship gets intentionally wrecked at a similar speed, you're basically out for Carl Edwards' blood. Please. Just give it a rest already. Save yourself the time and don't even bother replying to my post since you've already proven just what a hypocrite you really are. Krashalotski behaves the exact same way that you described JPM. Whenever he runs into anyone, it's never his fault, he's always just "racing hard". When he finally gets a taste of his own bitter medicine, he plays the victim card and acts like he's just a little angel who didn't deserve any of that. Bullshit. 146. b4il3y posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks Cooper for posting that link so everyone will know whats up. I just called into our local sports talk here in Tennessee, and discussed this with him. He agrees that Carl did this in the wrong place at the wrong time. I love hard racing, don't get me wrong, I watch old races (just watched Dale punt Darrell into the wall at the "Winter" Richmond race (was around 35 that day), and had a ball. BTW, those cars tore apart like open wheels on the old guardrail. Then again, this was old Richmond, which rivaled Martinsville as the slowest track on the circuit with no room to run anywhere. I'll say this: whatever decision Nascar makes, it'll be the understood set precedent, and they'll have to stick to it our you open up a whole new bees nest of fun. 147. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Krashalotski behaves the exact same way that you described JPM." No he doesn't. When Brad gets wrecked out of a top position (Memphis Truck race filling in for Musgrave, a crucial race for Brad, a one-off deal that could have possibly been his only chance to prove what he can do in good equipment, the Mark Martin Vegas race) he doesn't whine about it or call the other drivers names. He didn't even call Carl any juvenile names, he just told it exactly how it went. JPM goes off every time, just like at Vegas this year acting like a 3 year old that got his lolly taken away. "When he finally gets a taste of his own bitter medicine, he plays the victim card and acts like he's just a little angel who didn't deserve any of that." Wrong, and I just gave two examples. And the third situation, he was more concerned about what will happen in the future if nothing is done, for all drivers and spectators in the grandstand. His post flip interview is one of the most mature things I've ever seen. He just calmly explained how NASCAR's decision will affect the future of the entire sport (correctly I might add) and accurately described the first wreck. "when a driver who you have made clear you don't like (JPM) gets intentionally wrecked by somebody else at a fast track it's ok." Did you even bother to read my quotes THAT YOU COPIED AND PASTED YOURSELF?!?!? "I am not excusing Gilliland", "But David should have waited.... you run a much bigger risk of collecting other cars" "They will be smarter than Gilliland". You posted these quotes of mine in your own post. Where did I say "It is OK to wreck a driver on the straightaway at 190+mph"? Nowhere, cause I never said that. "Now that I have proved that, maybe you'll refrain from bringing up pointless statistics and scrutinizing drivers at the weakest points of their careers." Yeah, one win since May 2006 is a pointless stat. I should start looking at loop data and driver ratings where you can start last, finish last, have a -7 pass differential and still get a positive rating. "Carl just showed that while he is a nice guy" Wrong, his own teammates will tell you that is a load of crap. " he'll do whatever it takes to get his message across." like putting people's life in danger. "Carl's move wasn't just retaliation for the lap 41 incident" Which was Carl's fault. "it was for all the times that Krashalotski has wrecked him, bumped him and not given him any room at all in the name of "racing hard." " Wouldn't want any drivers battling for position. That doesn't help their driver rating any. "Krashalotski is the last person to complain about driver or fan safety after all the stunts he has pulled." Yeah, they should let the drivers that have never caused any wrecks do that. You know, like..... oh wait, there isn't one. "Seeing as knows what its like to smash through the fence like he did at Talladega last year, I don't think he needs to be shaken." So if you have been through a horrific accident, it shouldn't bother you if you cause another person to have a horrific incident? I disagree. "Best part is, being 33rd in owner points going to Bristol in two weeks has really got to be stinging his ass." Are you kidding? That team just showed they can run with the big dogs. That's the first thing Brad mentioned in his interview after flipping and taking a roof first landing. Besides, even if something bad does happen and Brad falls out of the Top 35, with the weakness of the other "go ro go homers" he'd just waltz his way into the field. This race was a huge confidence builder. 148. Cfob posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brad needs to make a choice. If he's going to wear his aggressive driver label with pride and continue to needlessly spin out other drivers (the #20 at California in Nationwide) then he's basically a walking target. On the other hand, if he realizes that he can win races and be just as competitive without rooting other drivers out of his way, then he'll probably be doing himself a big favor. " Logano came down on Brad as they were heading towards the checkered. Why do you think that incident hasn't been mentioned since it happened. Joey messed up. Hell, JOEY wasn't even upset over that. He was much more angry at Biffle. Fail again, kiddo. "1. Keswlowski is an ahole again and takes out yet another Gibbs car with one of his arrogant mindless moves." I posted a link to a video of the initial incident between the two within the first ten posts on this page. THAT incident was so obviously Carl's fault it causes me physical pain to have to explain what actually happened to you. Yes, my brain aches for your stupidity. And it's K-e-s-e-l-o-w-s-k-i, for the record. "3. Great job Edwards. That arrogant punk deserves everything he got. Now maybe he'll think twice about doing it again, and if the bonehead does keep it up running people over at every level ever week then I hope someone else does it again" Arrogant punk. LOL. Running people over. LOL. Moron. "4. Clearly Edward didn't mean to flip Keselowski or make it such a scary wreck. Yes it was intentional, but Keselowski deserved every bit of what he got. I'm glad Carl used his retaliation on a lock Top 5 finish too because it hurts all the more as those are hard to come by." Yeah, you should probably go jump off something really tall right now. That is a REALLY stupid thing to say. People like you are the reason why NASCAR fans have such a negative image (well that and your horrendous typographical abilities). Boy, it sure is fun to watch Bronco handling this like someone tied to a large rock in deep water. I've been saying for MONTHS that "That boy ain't right." And it is just heartwarming to see everyone else realize just how dumb he is, and how bad fans like him are for this sport. Now watch as he replies with a (not funny) insult / comeback he's used many times before OR a poop joke OR some other lame comment. Though it is always nice to see someone who knows next-to-nothing about racing get involved in the sport. I guess we need our novices too, eh? 149. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Please. Just give it a rest already. Save yourself the time and don't even bother replying to my post since you've already proven just what a hypocrite you really are." You'd like it if I gave it a rest wouldn't you? You'd like if I didn't point out that I never said it was OK to do what Gilliland did, and that you once again made my OWN point for me by showing those quotes from the past. Hypocrite? Hardly. You showed how consistent I am. Thank you for that. I ain't giving it up anytime soon. 150. Cfob posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and wasn't there a driver or two barely inside or outside of the top-30 in Owner's points that ended up making the Chase? Someone may be confusing a sting with a feather. 151. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cfob, I'm not sure if anyone has actually made the cha$e after being that far back, but many have rebounded to have solid point finishes. Casey Mears actually fell out in 2007, but he ended up with a Top 15 points finish. Joey Logano was on the bubble after Bristol last year, and ended up 19th. I don't think anyone really expects the #12 to make the cha$e this year anyways, so it isn't like they will be panicking about that. But you are definitely right, that "sting" isn't very painful at all. As I mentioned earlier, this is a huge confidence builder for Brad and the #12 team which has been putrid in recent years. It is something they can build on. 152. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hell, JOEY wasn't even upset over that." Exactly, that incident, the Daytona NWide Dale Mears flip, the Talladega Cup race last year, the Dover Diva Hamlin wreck, they all cut across Brad and he didn't let up. And the first wreck in this race, Carl cut down sharply. I really wonder if he was trying to lure Brad into a situation like that. His head is in a terrible place right now, and he needs help. 153. Cfob posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Krashalotski behaves the exact same way that you described JPM. Whenever he runs into anyone, it's never his fault, he's always just "racing hard". When he finally gets a taste of his own bitter medicine, he plays the victim card and acts like he's just a little angel who didn't deserve any of that. Bullshit." Just saw this, felt the need to respond. Brad does not (and as long as I have known of him has not) made any apologies for the kind of driver he is. He is aggressive, without a doubt. I believe you essentially make hyperbole your bitch with the way you describe Brad's style. I also believe you show your ignorance as a NASCAR "fan" (you're not worthy of the title of race fan) every time you speak of Brad's driving style. Brad never once played the victim card after this crash. Unless by victim card you are referring to Brad's concern for the fans put at risk by the accident (And don't even bring up Talladega last year, because Carl has already negated that argument for you). Unless by victim card you are referring to Brad commenting on what he hopes NASCAR does to Carl, which everyone with hands and / or a voice has given an opinion on (and get this, Brad IS entitled to an opinion just like you, unfortunately, are too). And just in case you all are curious, Brad's in Texas today with his ARCA driver, and fellow Michigan Late Model driver Chad Finley. Chad is a VERY talented driver, and a nice kid that Brad is giving an major opportunity to. Of course Chad has already done VERY well for BKR, a pole at Rockingham and no finish outside of the top-15. So if Brad was "scared" it obviously wasn't very much, from what I've been told, Brad's already turned a few laps in the ARCA car to show Chad the line. 154. ams391221 posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anonymous and Baff, I'm sorry I upset you. I had always liked Carl Edwards and I didn't realize he would do something like this, so this really shocked and angered me. Now that I look back on the replays, it's blatantly obvious that he meant to wreck Keselowski. After this incident, I know I won't trust Edwards at all anymore. 155. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh, and wasn't there a driver or two barely inside or outside of the top-30 in Owner's points that ended up making the Chase?" Yup, and that was Newman and Martin last year. Now, you can call me crazy or whatever creative name that comes to your little mind, but given that Krashalotski doesn't have top notch equipment like Newman and Martin, or even half their talent for that matter, you can effectively cross him out of this year's cha$e. And I just love how Denny Hamlin of all people was the benefactor of Krashalotski's wreck by receiving the free pass. Justice was served for all. 156. 12345Dude posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not much to say onn the race I only saw the ending of it. I don't know what happen in the first wreck between Brad and Carl. If someone would like to explain, taht would help a lot. But after watching the end of the race, I lost a lot of respect for Carl. What a douchebag. Wreckign some guy at 190 miles an hour. I was really happy at how Brad handled the post race interview. Let's say that Kevin Harvick, or Denny Hamlin was in his role. "Carl just showed that while he is a nice guy" Wrong, his own teammates will tell you that is a load of crap" Really? Other than the Matt incident, I thought he was fine. "Logano came down on Brad as they were heading towards the checkered. Why do you think that incident hasn't been mentioned since it happened. Joey messed up. Hell, JOEY wasn't even upset over that. He was much more angry at Biffle. " Your not serious. Are you watching the same races I am? 157. 12345Dude posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even though Carl did a horrible, horrible thing. I still think some of the people on this board need to calm down. Yeah Carl did a bad thing. And yeah he didn't seem to care. But it's not like he does this every week. I havea a feeling after this, he won't be doing anything like this again for a long, long, long time. 158. the_man posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan on his race, "Our car had pretty good speed. It was pretty fast and we??ll just have to learn from the good things that happened and try to get back out and make some points. I??m proud of what our UPS team has been able to accomplish in just a few short weeks." 159. Cfob posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yup, and that was Newman and Martin last year. Now, you can call me crazy or whatever creative name that comes to your little mind, but given that Krashalotski doesn't have top notch equipment like Newman and Martin, or even half their talent for that matter, you can effectively cross him out of this year's cha$e. And I just love how Denny Hamlin of all people was the benefactor of Krashalotski's wreck by receiving the free pass. Justice was served for all." And ignorance shines again! Go to your local short track and EDUCATE yourself on REAL racing. Thank God there's only 47 more days until the season begins... Seriously though, in that subpar equipment you spoke about, Brad was outrunning Martin and Newman all day long. And I highly doubt the Chase was a realistic expectation for a team together for the very first year, not to mention Brad's first full year in the Cup series. But falling to 33rd in the Owners Points is far from a death sentence for the Penske Dodge. But yeah, Bronco, Seriously... get to a real racetrack sometime soon. NASCAR is warping your mind... if there's actually one to warp. Hope you find that flotation device soon, kiddo. No one likes to watch someone drown. Funny, I ALMOST wrote drowning man, then realized who I was talking about. 160. 12345Dude posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's something wrong with people. Nascar.com pole: What should Nascar do about Carl Edwards Park Him One Race - 39% Park Him For Season - 10% Park Car For One Race - 5% Park Car for One Season - 1% Nothing- 45%! 161. Baker posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blow it out your ass Cfob. You're a clueless fan of Krasholotski. If someone would have done that to Kyle Busch everyone would have been saying joy to the world. You're all hypocrites. 162. Anonymous posted: 03.08.2010 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "There's something wrong with people. Nascar.com pole: What should Nascar do about Carl Edwards Park Him One Race - 39% Park Him For Season - 10% Park Car For One Race - 5% Park Car for One Season - 1% Nothing- 45%!" The only people who have something wrong with them are the ones who said to park him for the season. 163. Cfob posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Blow it out your ass Cfob. You're a clueless fan of Krasholotski. If someone would have done that to Kyle Busch everyone would have been saying joy to the world. You're all hypocrites." Haha, you can't even spell Bronco's brilliant (Yay sarcasm) insult of Brad's last name right. You fail at failing! Trust me, I am FAR from a clueless fan of Brad's. I've followed Brad's career from his days in Factory Stock at Dixie Motor Speedway to his time in a Limited and Super Late Model. I watched him in the Trucks, in the Keith Coleman ride. I've followed Brad's career pretty much from the start, barring his time in a quarter midget. I have many more clues than you have correctly spelled words on this post, that's for sure! If this had been done to Kyle Busch I would be just as upset. If it had happened to Kevin Conway, Travis Kvapil, Boris Said, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson or Satan himself I'd have been just as upset. It takes less than half a brain to realize that you SHOULD NOT spin someone in the top five when you're more than 100 laps down. It takes even less brain power to realize you should not spin someone in a car you know from personal experience takes flight very easily. You can call me a "clueless" Brad fan all you want, but I'd be a clueless Brad fan over whatever kind of "fan" you are any day. Because people like you are NOT race fans. People like you are nothing more than mentally unwell idiots who don't deserve to even be allowed to drive past a race track, let alone enjoy what's going on inside. And that goes for ANYONE who thinks Carl doesn't deserve some repercussions for what he did. "Your not serious. Are you watching the same races I am?" And yes, I am watching the same race as you. At the Nationwide race at California Joey Logan came down across Brad's nose heading to the checkered flag. I've watched the video of it enough times to know. 164. Talon64 posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl definitely needs to sit out a race or two, along with any other driver who retaliates on intermediate tracks in the future. This is one of those incidents where a new precedent needs to be set, especially after Brad flipped. Carl didn't intend on the result but it made it very clear that it can happen when you spin someone on the straight and how dangerous it can be. Just as importantly, Carl is pretty much a repeat offender at this point. Not just in terms of wrecking and bumping people which Keselowski is prone to do, but INTENTIONAL and MALICIOUS incidents on and off the track. Kez's incidents happen because he's inexperienced, hotheaded and aggressive, not because he goes out to intentionally hurt someone. The Days of Thunder move on Dale Jr. at Michigan in Nationwide, off track incidents with Kenseth and Harvick and now this. It all adds up and this is the last straw. Anyone who thinks what Carl did was right or excusable is an idiot. Thankfully it's only two people on here so the smart people who know a thing or two should give themselves a pat on the shoulder. BTW if Carl does get suspended it probably won't be the whole team; the last time a driver got suspended for on-track options was Kevin Harvick at Martinsville in 2002 when he wrecked Coy Gibbs in a Truck race, the last straw in a string of incidents for Harvick (like Carl but Harvick's incidents were much closer together), and RCR subbed in Kenny Wallace. Kenny also replaced Kurt in the 97 when Roush suspended him at the end of 2005 so hopefully Kenny'll get the call again! lol "Yes, as somebody said above, I was gonna mention JPM blowing the race at the end by spinning his tires and losing to Kurt even though JPM had the best car at the end. He is the bizarro Jimmie Johnson." Kurt had the best car on the short runs, especially in turns 3 and 4 where he was noticably pulling away from everyone; even if cars could stay on his outside on the restarts Kurt would always separate himself there. Montoya didn't need the Carl/Brad incident to happen because he had the better car on the long runs and could've caught him. The restart screw-up probably just cost him 2nd to Kenseth because if JPM had kept even with Kurt he would've had to squeeze down on him in the corners enough to risk wrecking both of them to even have a chance. Then we could've been talking about Kenseth or Kahne winning. 165. Cfob posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My apologies, I typed Joey Logan when I meant Joey Logano. My bad. 166. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Really? Other than the Matt incident, I thought he was fine." No, him and Biffle don't like each other either, and Matt spoke against Carl again when asked about this incident. Just look at the reaction after he faked the punch at Kenseth. Tons of people flooded to anyone with a microphone or recorder to talk about how two faced Carl is. "And I just love how Denny Hamlin of all people was the benefactor of Krashalotski's wreck by receiving the free pass. Justice was served for all." Wow, what justice!! Denny finished an impressive 21st, hasn't had a Top 15 finish all year, AND GOT BURNED BY TOYOTA'S RACING BOSS EARLIER IN THE WEEKEND!! I'm sure Denny is feeling just dandy right about now. 167. Talon64 posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny had a car good enough to win the race but JGR's tire problems cost him. In fact HMS and JGR pushed their setups too far so they all had good cars for the most part but they all blew tires or had tire problems that forced them to pit and go laps down. But once again Jimmie is the luckiest SOB of the bunch, has a tire problem and pits but doesn't get trapped by a caution like everyone else so after the green flag pit stops he moves up to 2nd! At that point I thought Jimmie was going to win but the next restart showed he didn't have a good enough car and then he had to pit to fix damage. But that bit of bad luck was overshadowed by him making through ANOTHER demo-derby wreck without a lick of damage. I swear this guy sold his soul to the devil, or at least traded good racing luck for hair! 168. Ryan posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker is an fn idiot for his comments about Brad... People act like Brad is so bad for the sport. Act like he has did so much to deserve this. Hello people, most of his controversy has come from Nationwide. Nationwide is where you learn to drive. And it's getting pretty bad that Nationwide provides better coverage and has better races than Cup does. He is a heck of a talent. And was on his way to a great finish until that douche bag did what he did. Edwards got real pissed at Kenseth once on TV. And he almost took Dale Rick Mears, Jr.'s arm off at Michigan in a Nationwide race. I agree with DSFF, I think he needs some mental help. Maybe he could get Jack Nicholson to help him with some anger management. When he went out yesterday it was his fault. I still can't get over how good JPM is driving considering how all the other Indy to Cup drivers have faired. He is racer's racer for sure. I know a lot of people doesn't like him, a lot of the reason because he is foreign and that he's all about himself. I respect his racing ability though. I know he has only one win, but I never would have thought he would be running this well and even made the Chase last year for that matter. If he wins some races this year and has a great points finish, it's easy to assume that he will or should be labeled as the best driver in the world. 169. Eric posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards even explained his actions on his facebook page. Carl said on his facebook page the following: "My options: Considering that Brad wrecks me with no regard for anyones safety or hard work, should I: A-Keep letting him wreck me? B-Confront him after the race? C-Wait til bristol and collect other cars? or D-Take care of it now? I want to be clear that I was surprised at his flight and very relieved when he walked away. Every person has to decide what code they want to live by and hopefully this explains mine." I found that out on http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/blog/from_the_marbles/post/Carl-Edwards-updates-Facebook-with-his-side-of-t;_ylt=AtLKSEjkGzKH6R9vOmX.JZrov7YF?urn=nascar,226549 170. Cfob posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone else get a slight whiff of BS when Carl says HE was surprised the 12 car took flight? 171. Talon64 posted: 03.08.2010 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch's 21st career win makes it 9 consecutive seasons that he's won a race, tied with Jimmie Johnson for the 2nd longest active streak. Tony Stewart has yet to win in 2010 but has won in the previous 11 seasons so a win this year would make him 12 for 12 in his career. Matt Kenseth needs just 3 more top fives to reach 100 for his career. This was also his 18th career 2nd place finish to match his 18 career wins. This was JPM's 3rd top ten in 7 starts at Atlanta, all top fives. He also has 3 finishes of 27th or worse. Paul Menard's 5th place finish is his 3rd career top ten, 2nd at Atlanta. Back in 2006 at Atlanta he finished 7th in just his 3rd career race. He's the highest of the RPM drivers in 9th in the standings. There's no chance that will last and Kahne still stands the best chance of making the Chase, especially after back-to-back top tens including a 4th here has moved him up to 17th and in a decent spot in the standings, but this could easily be Menard's best season in Cup and the point where he proves he belongs here. AJ Allmendinger's 6th makes it 3 RPM drivers in the top 6 after RPM only had 1 top ten in the first 3 races of the season. This is only the 2nd time that Red Bull Racing has put 2 drivers in the top 10, both times with Brian Vickers and Scott Speed. This was just Speed's 2nd career top ten while this puts Vickers two top tens short of 50 for his career. BTW Scott Speed is now officially locked into the top 35 for Martinsville, even if he misses Bristol he has a 206 point lead over 36th. While Carl Edwards put a black eye on NASCAR and continues to under-perform, Biffle and Kenseth have been great. Biffle's 8th means that both Biffle and Kenseth have finished in the top ten in the first 4 races of the season and sit 3rd and 2nd in the points respectively as a result. It's a career high for Biffle while it's the 2nd time for Kenseth. 4 top tens to start the year is also a career-high for points leader Kevin Harvick. The bad performance at Atlanta returned for the 29 team but somehow they ended up 9th. After 2 straight engine failures to start the season had Marcos Ambrose outside the top 35, finishes of 14th and 11th have him 28th in the standings. Regan Smith finished 14th, tying his career-best finish at non-plate tracks. Dale Jr. won his 9th career pole for this race and fought back from tire problems for a 15th place finish. He's 13th in the standings after being 24th at this point last season. His teammates are 4th, 7th and tied for 11th. This was Bill Elliott's 13th top 20 finish in 54 starts with the Wood Brothers. Elliott Sadler got his first top 20 finish of the season and first top 10 start since Infineon last season. After putting 3 cars in the top 11 in the first 3 races, RCR only had two in the top 20 with Harvick 9th, Burton 20th and Bowyer 23rd. Mike Bliss will attempt his 100th career Cup start at Bristol, and after a 24th place finish at Atlanta he could be locked into Martinsville for his 101st career start; the #36 TBR car is tied for 35th but has the tie breaker over the #37. Bristol will eat Kevin Conway alive while Bliss is a very underrated driver who can get another top 25 finish. The #38, the newest of the Front Row Motorsports teams and which didn't exist until late January, is the highest of the FRM teams in the owners standings in 32nd thanks to David Gilliland. They had a top 20 finish in the books before a wreck in the first GWC took them out (btw anyone else think it was BS that they never pitted with the leader so the #48 got a gift in the pits?). The #34 with Travis Kvapil is 34th while the #37 with rookie Kevin Conway is 36th. The Carl/Brad incidents did nothing but hurt both teams. The #12 is 33rd in the owners points and risks being outside the top 35 after Bristol while Carl Edwards is now 20th in the standings; any race penalties will severly hurt Carl's chances at the Nationwide championship and of making the Chase in Cup. 172. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Does anyone else get a slight whiff of BS when Carl says HE was surprised the 12 car took flight?" If anyone does get a slight whiff of BS, it's probably the fact that you haven't cleaned up after yourself when you crapped your pants watching Krashalotski fly into the Altanta sky. Really genius, you think Carl calculated the exact angle and speed he would need to send the the 12 up in the air? Moron, he was just as surprised as anyone to see the car lift off the ground. If you're still sobbing over what happened, then go write to NASCAR and tell them what a failure their current Cup car design is, where the huge wing sticking out the back basically negates the efforts of the roof flaps and cowl flaps to keep the car on the ground. Paybacks are a part of racing, like it or leave it. It's stupid that the only reason why this one has gotten so much attention is the fact that a car went airborne, which as I said before, is the product of a poorly designed race car. 173. Smokefan05 posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Blow it out your ass Cfob. You're a clueless fan of Krasholotski." How about you go blow it out yours smart guy. "Does anyone else get a slight whiff of BS when Carl says HE was surprised the 12 car took flight?" Carl must have a short memory because he toke flight at Tally last year. And how fast was he going? Oh that's right, about as fast as Brad was. And Carl admitted he wrecked himself. "Carl definitely needs to sit out a race or two, along with any other driver who retaliates on intermediate tracks in the future. This is one of those incidents where a new precedent needs to be set, especially after Brad flipped. Carl didn't intend on the result but it made it very clear that it can happen when you spin someone on the straight and how dangerous it can be." Agree 100% "Just as importantly, Carl is pretty much a repeat offender at this point. Not just in terms of wrecking and bumping people which Keselowski is prone to do, but INTENTIONAL and MALICIOUS incidents on and off the track. Kez's incidents happen because he's inexperienced, hotheaded and aggressive, not because he goes out to intentionally hurt someone. The Days of Thunder move on Dale Jr. at Michigan in Nationwide, off track incidents with Kenseth and Harvick and now this. It all adds up and this is the last straw." Agree again. "Anyone who thinks what Carl did was right or excusable is an idiot. Thankfully it's only two people on here so the smart people who know a thing or two should give themselves a pat on the shoulder." Give yourself one because you brought logic and common sense into this. 174. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Give yourself one because you brought logic and common sense into this." Oh wow, look at that. A Tony Stewart fan of all people criticizing Carl Edwards's actions. Guess you must have forgotten when Tony flat out dumped the 17 into the grass at the 2006 Daytona 500, and said afterwards "He started it, and I finished it." How Kenseth didn't flip over or have a more serious crash I don't know, but you're probably the last person to go around pointing fingers. Whatever logic and common sense that he might have brought in, you took it all away the second you hit the 'Publish' button by being hypocritical. 175. Kit posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Act like he has did so much to deserve this. Hello people, most of his controversy has come from Nationwide. Nationwide is where you learn to drive. And it's getting pretty bad that Nationwide provides better coverage and has better races than Cup does. He is a heck of a talent." I agree. I think Brad can come off as too defensive at times, but yeah, like you said, most of the controversy comes from NATIONWIDE. Denny Hamlin has no business racing in Nationwide! He was getting pissed off at a then Natiowide driver in the Nationwide series! Why not just focus on Cup, Denny? Brad hasn't done nearly enough to warrant Carl Edwards trying to kill him. This may be the beginning of the end for Carl Edwards in his Roush car. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack looks elsewhere to new talent... Kurt Busch didn't even do that much and he pretty much lost his ride. "Edwards got real pissed at Kenseth once on TV. And he almost took Dale Rick Mears, Jr.'s arm off at Michigan in a Nationwide race." Hey, once Dale Jr. becomes competitive for championships (more than one season) and wins some races in a Hendrick car like every other Hendrick driver, then maybe you can compare him to Rick Mears. So far he's pretty much mimicked Casey Mears' career in the #5 car. "I still can't get over how good JPM is driving considering how all the other Indy to Cup drivers have faired. He is racer's racer for sure. I know a lot of people doesn't like him, a lot of the reason because he is foreign and that he's all about himself. I respect his racing ability though." I couldn't care less whether he's foreign or not. He is very talented, easily the most talented out of the open wheel bunch. But see, that's the problem. We keep looking at JPM relative to the open wheel bunch. Take them out of the equation and JPM is a talented but very underachieving driver. Top fives are nice but so far he only has one win at a road course. The problem with JPM is that although he's very talented, he doesn't have a lot of brains or decision making skills on the track so he makes some really boneheaded moves which cost him races. If he hadn't been an open wheel driver nobody would be paying that much attetion to him right now. He needs a stout Cup career to prop himself on. "If he wins some races this year and has a great points finish, it's easy to assume that he will or should be labeled as the best driver in the world." You're getting a little carried away there. 176. RR posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven??t been able to (nor frankly, do I have the patience and will power to) sift through each post here. I pretty confident though, that this race has probably set several records, if such records actually existed, for posts and outrage. I really didn??t expect otherwise, given Keselowski??s enormous popularity around here, combined with Edwards?? obvious culpability. Judging by the initial reactions I??ve tabulated from around the web, it appears as though Edwards?? ??aw shucks? image with both the media and the fanbase has been irrevocably destroyed. To paraphrase Keselowski??s post-race comments, ??the ball is in NASCAR??s court.? Unfortunately, the Edwards/Keselowski incident, and the subsequent brouhaha has cast a shadow over what otherwise was a satisfying race. NASCAR may be on the receiving end of a bombardment of criticism over the ??have at it? platform that led to this wreck, but they??re three for four in terms of quality on track product. I??m forced to use the clichéd analogy that was mentioned several times in the broadcast: the yo-yo effect was quite fascinating to watch. It looked as though Kasey Kahne would walk away with the race, but a combination of inadequate pit performances (which looked to be unavoidable) and the changing conditions of the racing surface ensured that the race would be just that. Johnny Pabs recovers from two races where bad luck was ineluctable to get a great finish and a good ??points day.? Those last few laps before the Keselowski wreck were some of the best I??ve experience in NASCAR for a while. Yes, I??ll admit that he snatched third place from the jaws of victory (and I??ll allow you to label it a ??choke? [for now at least]), but the first oval win now has a sense of inevitability around it. Perhaps the most overlooked development of the day has to be Kevin Harvick??s ?? dare I say it ?? championship-esque gritty performance. Harvick is often the subject of criticism and disparagement, and much of it is well deserved. The aura of ??elite driver? is not usually around Harvick. But this race was something on which Harvick, Martin et. al. can hang their hat. If nothing else, it should give Harvick the belief that he needs not look for another home to find success. That is of course, if he??s truly willing to put forth the effort required to achieve the success that he is capable of achieving. On the other hand, Mr. Johnson had roughly the same caliber of race, which must still be a bit frustrating for those who believe in the ??horseshoe in his ass? theory. Oh, and I??ve already stated this fact, but it bears repeating: MIKE BLISS IS IN THE TOP 35! Sure, the ??battle? for the exemption is greatly watered-down in comparison to the intense fights that took place in 2007, but it??s always nice to see an underdog prevail. At the very least, it should ensure that the woefully under-speed Latitude 43 team takes their rightful position outside the Top 35. 177. 12345Dude posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone really needs to ban Bronco from these boards. Enough is enough. It's just some 12 year old kid behind his computer thinking he is awesome. I wonder if he understands, that nobody can stand him on this forum. And it's not because we like picking on him. He should also understand he is the most hated on this web site. Get a life Bronco, please. 178. Kit posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Moron, he was just as surprised as anyone to see the car lift off the ground." Nobody was surprised... they are going 190 m.p.h. If Edwards thinks he can wreck someone driving that fast and not expect them to go airborne or get hurt, then he has no business being in Cup. Furthermore, there is no excuse for what Edwards did regardless of whether the #12 went airborne or not. Could you imagine if he killed Brad? 179. Dodge posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There are 2 ignorant idiots on here. Bronco and Baker. Just go away you two. REAL NASCAR fans don't want to see someone get injured or killed from a wreck that was uncalled for at this type of track. Hey Bronco, call me a dumbshit again. Bring it on, Bi*ch. Also, your posts about people cleaning up after crapping their pants is kinda scary on how you say that so much. I guess you fantasize about seeing posters undergarments. 180. Talon64 posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh wow, look at that. A Tony Stewart fan of all people criticizing Carl Edwards's actions. Guess you must have forgotten when Tony flat out dumped the 17 into the grass at the 2006 Daytona 500, and said afterwards "He started it, and I finished it." How Kenseth didn't flip over or have a more serious crash I don't know, but you're probably the last person to go around pointing fingers. Whatever logic and common sense that he might have brought in, you took it all away the second you hit the 'Publish' button by being hypocritical." I know you're talking to smokefan but I'm a Tony Stewart fan too and what he did to Kenseth at Daytona was stupid and inexcusable as well. I won't speak for smokefan but believe it or not, not all driver fans defend their guy without a speck of commons sense. If Matt had flipped Tony could've easily been penalized a race just like Carl should be. Whether someone flips or not shouldn't matter but people don't realize how dangerous this kind of stuff can be until you see the consequences actually happen. Another incident that shows the worst of both Tony and Carl is the 2006 Pocono race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvoSAIthxMI It's more of an example of the usual Tony, making heat-of-the-moment mistakes. Clint was probably going to go right into the pit-road barrier if Carl wasn't there. And this would've been the old car meeting a SAFER-less wall, so contact would've And then there was Carl's retaliation on pit road. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzWdcQmbx84 Also dangerous, you should never take anyone out on pit road and risk hurting crew members. It was entering pit road so the risk was lessened but pit road is pit road. 181. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.08.2010 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Carl Edwards even explained his actions on his facebook page. Carl said on his facebook page the following: "My options: Considering that Brad wrecks me with no regard for anyones safety or hard work, should I: A-Keep letting him wreck me? B-Confront him after the race? C-Wait til bristol and collect other cars? or D-Take care of it now? I want to be clear that I was surprised at his flight and very relieved when he walked away. Every person has to decide what code they want to live by and hopefully this explains mine." Wow, that really is the most arrogant thing I've ever read. Is he asking for people to hate him? Oh and just to continue to chime in, Bronco, please get your head checked. 182. Cooper posted: 03.08.2010 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On an unrelated not, can someone tell me why Kevin Conway got more money than Greg Biffle? I know there are certain awards/monies and tv money. But I find it weird that a chase contender, who's been racing for years, and finished 23 positions higher than a rookie, got less money. 183. Talon64 posted: 03.08.2010 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just heard the best way to describe Carl's wreck: A traffic infraction. Run a red light and don't hit anyone, you get a ticket. Run a red light, hit a car and kill someone then it's manslaughter. Carl ran a red light, hit a car but didn't hurt the other driver. He'd still be getting some jail time so he should sit out a race. 184. Smokefan05 posted: 03.08.2010 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Post 184-193: ok, that was really............um...............how should i say.............................weird? anyone else agree? "I know you're talking to smokefan but I'm a Tony Stewart fan too and what he did to Kenseth at Daytona was stupid and inexcusable as well. I won't speak for smokefan but believe it or not, not all driver fans defend their guy without a speck of commons sense. If Matt had flipped Tony could've easily been penalized a race just like Carl should be. Whether someone flips or not shouldn't matter but people don't realize how dangerous this kind of stuff can be until you see the consequences actually happen." Well said Talon, Tony isn't a saint (far from it) and HAS done things that are well out there. And I will not defend Tony when he does something stupid, wether it'd be doing what he did too Matt, beating up a report or camera man. He has done things that i can't defend him on. If anyone who HATES him can give me a list and i will gladly give my opinion on those. "Also dangerous, you should never take anyone out on pit road and risk hurting crew members. It was entering pit road so the risk was lessened but pit road is pit road." Carl did it too Tony in 06. And yes Tony dserved being spin but not on pit road. Robby and Dale Jr. did it too at Bristol in 02, i don't know what there fines or penalities where but it too happened on pit road. I don't mind if you speak for me Talon, i actually have respect for you. So it doesn't bother me. 185. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.08.2010 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol fail. Well, at least it lightened up the pointless arguments we were having with Bronco. 186. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.08.2010 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The sad thing... it makes more sense than the bullshit Bronco is spewing 187. Ryan posted: 03.08.2010 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey, once Dale Jr. becomes competitive for championships (more than one season) and wins some races in a Hendrick car like every other Hendrick driver, then maybe you can compare him to Rick Mears. So far he's pretty much mimicked Casey Mears' career in the #5 car." Lol, wow... For someone that has won 18 races and won a Daytona 500 that's a tough one to swallow to be mimicked after Mears, lol. And Mears won in the 25. Montoya has won F1, Indy 500, he has won Cart, he has won Nascar. He can drive any car to victory lane. That's why if he does a little more in Nascar he could be the best driver in the world. 188. Kit posted: 03.08.2010 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At this point, Bronco is just a troll. That's it. He probably doesn't even follow NASCAR at all. It's best to ignore him. 189. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Really genius, you think Carl calculated the exact angle and speed he would need to send the the 12 up in the air?" With the COT, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the speed and angle needed for liftoff. Speed: Fast. Angle: Sideways. We have example after example of this. McDowWALL, Carl himself, Logano, Newman, Martin. When these cars are going really fast and they get sideways, they lift off. There isn't a specific physical equation to determine this, it is a very broad range. "Whatever logic and common sense that he might have brought in, you took it all away the second you hit the 'Publish' button by being hypocritical." Is that like the post where I was being "hypocritical" even though it clearly shows I wasn't? Seriously, that has to be one of the all time posting brain farts. "but believe it or not, not all driver fans defend their guy without a speck of commons sense." Exactly. 190. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.08.2010 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, I think Bronco's lost it... Don't feed the troll. 191. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "At this point, Bronco is just a troll. That's it. He probably doesn't even follow NASCAR at all." Ah, pot calling the kettle black I see. What are you doing on this page anyway? Shouldn't you be trolling the Michael Waltrip page listing all the different reasons why he sucks? Who knows, if you try real hard, maybe you'll get it up to 500 comments. 192. Anonymous posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Montoya has won F1, Indy 500, he has won Cart, he has won Nascar. He can drive any car to victory lane. That's why if he does a little more in Nascar he could be the best driver in the world." He already is. 193. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Every person has to decide what code they want to live by and hopefully this explains mine." Yes Carl, that explains a lot. It explains that, despite your talents, you have no place in any racing series. Besides, you are the all muscled up tough guy. Brad is skinny as a rail. Why don't you confront him? I'll tell ya why, cause you are, deep down, an insecure bully. Have fun trying to get everyone's respect back. 194. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""Montoya has won F1, Indy 500, he has won Cart, he has won Nascar. He can drive any car to victory lane. That's why if he does a little more in Nascar he could be the best driver in the world." Which explains why he has only one Cup win in over 3 years and consistently chokes away winnable races, like this one. That is the best in the world? The world must really suck. If there is ever an intergalatic Olympics and racing is one of the sports, we're gonna get our asses kicked!! 195. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol, nice DSFF. I think he'll get a win before the seasons end though. 196. Anonymous posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Which explains why he has only one Cup win in over 3 years and consistently chokes away winnable races, like this one." No one said he was the best NASCAR driver. There's probably no more than 3 NASCAR drivers who would do well in F1, and he's the only F1 driver who could do well here. Plus he's won the Indy 500 and Rolex 24. 197. Baker posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cfob you're an idiot if you really belive Carl Edwards knew for certain that he was going to cause Brad KRASHALOTSKI (OMFG ITS NOT SPELLED RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! tehehehe....grow up) was going to get lift and flip the way it did. 198. Bronco posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cfob you're an idiot if you really belive Carl Edwards knew for certain that he was going to cause Brad KRASHALOTSKI (OMFG ITS NOT SPELLED RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! tehehehe....grow up) was going to get lift and flip the way it did. " Thank you Baker. This whole deal would be a non issue if the 12 had spun into the grass and not launched into the air, but because the CoT has a screwed up design, where the wing just picks a car up into the air, people want to throw the book at Carl because Brad COULD have been injured and fans in the stands COULD have been hurt. Thankfully, none of it happened, Brad walked away unhurt, no debris was thrown around, and NASCAR's already sagging season got the kick in the pants that it needed. Given that the crown jewel of the sport was plagued by the pothole problem and that the second and third races were about as interesting as a wet towel, the sport needed a headline like this, for better or for worse. Parking Carl for the balance of the race was an appropriate penalty, as it was to park Gilliland at Texas in 2008 and to penalize Hamlin a lap last year. There's no reason for him to be sitting at home changing diapers two weeks from now when he deserves to be racing at Bristol. "Have fun trying to get everyone's respect back." He never lost my respect in the first place. Go ahead, tell me that Carl is a steroid infused bully, who has an inferiority complex or whatever - I couldn't care less. 199. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.08.2010 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Thank you Baker. This whole deal would be a non issue if the 12 had spun into the grass and not launched into-" Just stop there... See, you guys keep saying he didn't know that he was going to flip and that he didn't mean to flip him. But guess what? He MEANT to wreck him, and he DID wreck him, and in the end, he DID flip Brad Keselowski, so shut the f**k up. All logic goes out the window when you speak -_- 200. Cfob posted: 03.09.2010 - 2:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh Bronco. Three poop jokes in a two day span. I'd mock your material, but I've come to realize you're far too dumb to write it yourself. But the fact that you're giving the elementary schoolers employment to write your jokes is awfully kind of you. Make sure they aren't overcharging you. I mean, you're not smart enough to think of a poop joke by yourself (or know how many times to you use it before you look like even more of an idiot than you already are) so those kids could easily be swindling you out of your hard earned pennies (I don't think you're smart enough to work a job where you get paid whole dollars). I also love that the guy who spells like a fourth grade drop out tells ME to grow up. That's like Stalin criticizing Hitler, he really had no room to talk, he was just as bad. Oh, sorry Baker, probably went over your head there. Wikipedia Stalin and Hitler, you'll be able to read (though some of the words might be too big for you, so keep a dictionary handy) all about them. Anyway, the fact that you two time vampires agree with each other isn't all that surprising. Bronco, I never Carl would know the exact angle it would take for Brad to flip. Had you used the smallest bit of thought before responding prematurely, you would have been able to see I was CLEARLY implying that Carl should know, because he himself has flipped in the COT. Oops? Now, I gotta ask when is the last time you've been to a race? Now when is the last time you've been to a REAL race (as in at a local short track of a distance no greater than a 1/2 (.500) mile)? I would not be the least bit surprised to hear never, or at the very least several years. You don't know crap about how this sport works, you're just another modern NASCAR bandwagoner who thinks they know everything. Now, while you seem to think Carl's intentions should get him off the hook ("I only meant to wreck him because I can't handle the fact that I was the one who screwed up early in the race!"), it's no excuse. Say you and another guy get into a fight. Say you punch the guy, he falls and hits his head on a cement stoop and dies because of the head injury he suffers. Do you get acquitted of attempted manslaughter because you only intended to knock him out with your fist, and instead things got out of hand? Nope. Attempted manslaughter and time in prison, all because something you didn't intend to happen, happened. Carl may not have intended Brad to flip, but Brad did. Carl has to face the consequences of his actions. God willing, they will fit the crime. 201. petty43 posted: 03.09.2010 - 7:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) my bold penalty predition for carl edwards 250k fine and one race susp. with no points penalty. slap on the wrist . 202. Dodge posted: 03.09.2010 - 9:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What can we say that hasn't already been said about Baker and Bronco. Two of the most screwed up people. I've had an argument or 2 on here with each person it sems but not every week. And if I am wrong, I try to APOLOGIZE for my rude comments about people. These 2 goofballs are always arguing with ADULTS week in, week out. Go sit at the kids table and post your garbage on other site. We are tired of hearing it. 203. Smiff_99 posted: 03.09.2010 - 10:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DaleSrFanForever----For what it's worth, Logano, Martin and McDowell's wrecks were not aero-related. Logano got kicked over by contact with another car, Martin had a classic 'clipped on the right rear corner weight-shift/tire's hooked' flip, while McDowell's was the result of hitting a semi-flexible wall head-on at 175 mph and the car ricocheting off the wall. There have only been 3 instances with the COT where it actually flipped because of air........Edwards, Newman, and Keselowski. Sadler caught 2 or 3 feet of air in the '09 Shootout, but other than those 4 times, the car has stayed on the ground. Now with that being said, there still IS a problem with those ass-ugly wings, and thankfully, they'll be gone soon enough. I have always been a fervent supporter/fan of Carl Edwards for yearsand that will not change. However, I do not condone what he did yesterday and I think he will be punished....to a degree. But the stark reality here is this: because of what happened this past Sunday, when we get to Bristol in 2 weeks......everybody will be waiting for Keselowski to issue his payback. Does anybody really expect NASCAR to pass up that PR opportunity? They wanted a rivalry and as far as I can tell, they've got one. 204. Smiff_99 posted: 03.09.2010 - 10:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess what I was getting at there was, although he SHOULD be parked for (at least) 1 race, don't count on it happening. 205. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2010 - 10:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This whole deal would be a non issue if the 12 had spun into the grass and not launched into the air, but because the CoT has a screwed up design, where the wing just picks a car up into the air" Yeah, but here is the deal: Carl KNOWS this. He has been involved in a "lift-off" incident first hand, and has seen others experience this first hand. If we know about it, he sure as hell should know about it. Besides, spinning somebody out at 190mph can have dire consequences whether he lifts off or not. And the final point: MOST OF THE INCIDENTS HAVE BEEN CARL'S FAULT!! Brad was at fault at Memphis. He admitted this and apologized. Does it make it ok? No, it was an impatient move. But it is something every single driver does at one point or another. Hell, Carl caused the big one at Talladega. But that, like Memphis, was just a racing deal. Only Harvick called him out for that one, but that is because Harvick is a d**k. Talladega last year, Carl cut across Brad's hood knowing about the yellow line rule, and darn near put himself in the grandstand. Afterwards he accurately put the blame on the stupid rules of restrictor plate racing. At this year's Daytona NWide race, Carl cut sharplt to side draft off Brad while Brad cut a little bit to side draft Dale Mears. Carl moved a lot further than Brad, so he was more to blame, although again it was mostly a product of stupid plate racing rules. And in this race, he just cuts right to the bottom with Brad clearly there. Carl watches the replay and realizes it was his fault, only saying "I wish he would have given me some room". Yeah, how dare Brad keep his position on track that he earned and not just give it up to the mighty Carl Edwards. Same thing with Denny Hamlin at Dover. They just expect Brad to roll over for them, and it is BS. It is a product of NASCAR's high money, high amount of ass kissing hangers on that make these drivers believe they are truly entitled to stuff that isn't their's. Go Brad!! Don't change!! 206. Brian posted: 03.09.2010 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Psycho boy Edwards will not be suspended.Na$car has no balls.They're a complete joke as a governing body. 207. Lugnut18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smiff_99, The incident at Talladega wasn't really a lift off incident. His car wouldn't have done what it did if Newman didn't hit the 99. Think of the Coke 600 when Gordon was hit by Allmendinger, the 24 lifted many feet off the ground and at the point of impact, the speeds were a lot less than at Talladega. Also, at the point the 99 turned the 12 this past Sunday, the 12 was only doing 177-ish (average lap speed was like 172-174mph at this point), not 190 like others have posted. Still, there is a big problem when a car is lifting at that slow of a speed. 208. Cfob posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2010/post_race/race_chatter/03/08/cup_atl_chatter.nascar/index.html Carl's spotter was telling him there was a car low. Carl went anyway and then immediately claimed the 12 car "wrecked him." So on top of taking himself out, Carl also suffered a case of temporary deafness. We'll see what NASCAR does in about ten minutes, but anything less than a one race suspension is NASCAR being spineless. 209. Kit posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Montoya has won F1, Indy 500, he has won Cart, he has won Nascar. He can drive any car to victory lane. That's why if he does a little more in Nascar he could be the best driver in the world." "He already is." Haha, yeah, that's why Jeff Gordon still has 80+ wins in Cup than him. All you're saying is that Montoya is a jack-of-all-trades and a master of none. Hardly makes him the best driver in the world. 210. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From the news conference: PROBATION FOR THREE f**kING RACES! THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT! 211. Kit posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Perhaps the most overlooked development of the day has to be Kevin Harvick??s ?? dare I say it ?? championship-esque gritty performance. Harvick is often the subject of criticism and disparagement, and much of it is well deserved. The aura of ??elite driver? is not usually around Harvick. But this race was something on which Harvick, Martin et. al. can hang their hat. If nothing else, it should give Harvick the belief that he needs not look for another home to find success. That is of course, if he??s truly willing to put forth the effort required to achieve the success that he is capable of achieving. On the other hand, Mr. Johnson had roughly the same caliber of race, which must still be a bit frustrating for those who believe in the ??horseshoe in his ass? theory." I get a kick out of your faux-eloquence writing style. Problem is, Harvick should already have that belief after winning 11 races. Like I said on the Harvick board, he seems to have a fragile ego. He HAS to win something, whether it be Nationwide, ARCA, pinewood derby... he's like a guy willing to leave the bar with a fat chick because he has to constantly remind himself that he's a man. 212. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cfob, that is pretty much the smoking gun on the first incident. The spotter informed him THREE times that Brad was inside. 213. Cfob posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "From the news conference: PROBATION FOR THREE f**kING RACES! THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!" Game over NASCAR. Apparently "police themselves" was code for "try to kill each other." Absolutely spineless and disgusting move by NASCAR. 214. Kit posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone knows that probation is a joke. What a crock of shit. It doesn't matter that Brad was obviously limping afterwards. I guess it's okay that Carl can try and kill someone as long as someone is paying. 215. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't wait for Bronco and Baker to come on and rub it in our faces. Like I give a shit, they're mindless anyway. 216. Bronco posted: 03.09.2010 - 12:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Psycho boy Edwards will not be suspended.Na$car has no balls.They're a complete joke as a governing body." Looks like you're right and Carl Edwards will not be suspended. Thank you NASCAR, for finally being consistent with all the preseason talk of "Have at it, boys." It was unfortunate for sure that the 12 lifted into the air and smashed into the wall as opposed to spinning into the grass as Carl had intended. However, like I've said a million times, Carl's intent was the same as Hamlin at Homestead, Stewart/JPM at Homestead or any other number of retaliation related incidents. There was no way for him to have calculated the speed and position at which to hit the 12 to send it into the air, contrary to what some of you believe. Rather than wondering "what could have been?" just be thankful that no one was hurt. And like it or not, the headlines that Carl's move created will probably be the biggest story of the year (until Dale Jr wins, I guess) and so NASCAR has to be loving all the attention the sport is getting. I don't think its wise to suspend Carl and have to deal with a "Free Carl" movement. If NASCAR wants to lighten up Carl's wallet by $100K, I'm all for that since the fine would go the NASCAR Foundation. But parking him at Bristol, much less the rest of the year is unnecessary. 217. Dodge posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else feel like maybe Bronco is only using that name to hide that he really is Mike Helton or one of those goons. An utter joke of a penalty. Intentionally wrecks Brad. When he is told to park it, he defies NASCAR in going down pitroad the wrong way and admits he meant to wreck Brad. And all they give Carl was 3 weeks probation. Someone will get killed before the year is out now. Brad may want to try to file a restraining order against Carl for attempted murder. Anyone agree? I know Baker and Bronco don't, but I mean REAL RACE FANS, anyone agree. 218. Bronco posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anyone else feel like maybe Bronco is only using that name to hide that he really is Mike Helton or one of those goons." Nah, you're alone on that buddy. "but I mean REAL RACE FANS, anyone agree." "REAL RACE FANS" know that paybacks are a part of racing, no matter whether its NASCAR, F1, or just local dirt track racing. Given that yesterday's poll on NASCAR.com indicated that the majority of people felt Carl shouldn't be punished, and that the majority of 54% feel that his current punishment is appropriate, it looks like there are a lot more, how did you say it, "REAL RACE FANS" than you might have thought. "Hey Bronco, call me a dumbshit again." Dumbshit. 219. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "REAL RACE FANS" know that paybacks are a part of racing, no matter whether its NASCAR, F1, or just local dirt track racing. Given that yesterday's poll on NASCAR.com indicated that the majority of people felt Carl shouldn't be punished, and that the majority of 54% feel that his current punishment is appropriate, it looks like there are a lot more, how did you say it, "REAL RACE FANS" than you might have thought. 45% idiot 220. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thats makes 55% who wish he was punished 221. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Which by the way is the current results for the latest poll Is being parked in Atlanta and a three-race probation enough punishment for Carl Edwards? Yes: 45 No: 55 222. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can you smell the irony...sorry for quadruple post. 223. Dodge posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, paybacks are a part of racing. But drivers MUST USE THEIR HEAD WHEN DOING PAYBACK. If Brad had been killed on that since it WAS intentional, I believe Carl would of been charged with murder. I imagine others might agree. You run your mouth like they do. Also, NASCAR.COM is a joke. I haven't been to it in years. Bronco, call me that again you sack of SH*T!!!!!! 224. Smiff_99 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good point, lugnut18. Although, in order for Newman's car to launch Edwards' like it did, Carl first had to be airborne. So although it WAS the Newman hit that sealed the deal, had the car not caught air on it's own in the first place, the whole thing wouldn't have happened. 225. Dodge posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Can you smell the irony...sorry for quadruple post" No problem. Yeah, fans agree with us, that Carl should be suspended. Bronco, you always say that's stats are funny because you can turn them to say anything. And you are throwing numbers around. Also, for the NASCAR.COM poll, what did you do, vote repeadedly? 226. Lugnut18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smiff_99, that is true to a point. When Carl was spun at Tally, he was doing about 198-200mph. The rear of the car only lifted maybe a foot or 2 off the ground and in the last few frames, Carl car was beginning to set back down.At that speed it is almost certain for a car to lift a little, but for a Car to completely flip over backwards at 177mph, is kind weird. We have seen these COT cars spin backwards before at that speed and not even lift a little. We have also seen plenty of cars with spoilers lift off the ground too, so its hard to pin blame directly on the spoiler. Either way, I'm glad we have this new COT. The extra 4 inches of clearance at the greenhouse did a lot. 227. RLewis9 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Carl didn't have a big sponsor, he would've been suspended. Bottom line. I've seen drivers get months of probation for doing silly things, but Carl gets three weeks for sending a car flying into the wall on purpose? I wonder how much Aflac was paying NASCAR to leave Carl alone. 228. Baker posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cfob is clearly missing a lugnut...Cfub please go back through the pits and get that fix before you have to be black flagged. 229. Smiff_99 posted: 03.09.2010 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey lugnut18......check out the tape of the wreck. I think I've figured out EXACTLY why Keselowski's car flipped. If you watch closely, as soon as the car gets turned around backwards, the wind catches the wing. When the force of the wind meets the wing, RIGHT before the car starts to lift, the force of the wind actually bends the wing back slightly. And in turn, the bottom back edge of the decklid separates slightly from the rear tv panel, creating a 1-2 inch gap going into the truck. So basically, the effect of the air flowing under the decklid into the trunk, coupled with the lifting effect of the wing, was just enough to send the car over backwards at 175. It's a rarity, but I've seen it all before one way or another. Shit, you remember the fall Busch race at Charlotte (yeah, I'll always call it the busch series) last year or in '08 when Jeff Green almost sailed into the catchfence coming off of turn 4.....going somewhere between 140 and 150. Apparently, anything above 145 mph could create enough lift in the right situation (car behind is pushing it backwards, maybe it hits debris or access road that kicks the car off the ground) I always assumed 180+ was the 'magic' zone for airborne accidents, but apparently that's not the case. Well, that's my theory. 230. Sean posted: 03.09.2010 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, why did Kurt Busch lose 100 points for driving recklessly through the pit lane at Dover in 2007 while Edwards didn't lose any points here? I think intentional on-track incidents should be penalized more harshly than things in the pits (especially when we've seen Tony Stewart punt Jeff Gordon in the pits and only get penalized with probation). I'm not saying Busch shouldn't have been penalized, but I've seen a LOT of on-track things that I thought were more severe than that, including this... If you're not going to suspend Edwards, at least dock him enough points so he'll miss the chase. 100 might do it because it doesn't look like the 99 has been that strong in the races, and the 16 and 17 seem to be the best Roush cars this year. 231. Smiff_99 posted: 03.09.2010 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, Davey Allison flipped at Pocono in '92 and he was only going about 150-155 mph.......althought that WAS back in the pre-roof flap era. 232. Smiff_99 posted: 03.09.2010 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But yeah, if Keselowski had been driving the 'old' car, I'm afraid we'd all be talking right now about Carl Edwards' impending mansluaghter/2nd degree murder charges, Keselowski's funeral, who'll drive the 99 and 12 cars, etc........so for once I guess we can actually 'THANK' the COT for something. FYI- Whether the COT is safe or not, it is still one FUGLY P.O.S. 233. Anonymous posted: 03.09.2010 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is also the longest race in AMS history with 341, that is 16 laps over the distance. The previous is 330 from last year. 234. Frank posted: 03.09.2010 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What??? 3 races probation??? Guys it's ridiculous!! Probation means NOTHING! NASCAR is all about safety? Are you kidding me?! It could be understandable if 99 was Hendrick's car but Roush never was in favor of NA$CAR... Strange days, indeed... 235. Anonymous posted: 03.09.2010 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But yeah, if Keselowski had been driving the 'old' car, I'm afraid we'd all be talking right now about Carl Edwards' impending mansluaghter/2nd degree murder charges, Keselowski's funeral, who'll drive the 99 and 12 cars, etc........so for once I guess we can actually 'THANK' the COT for something." With the old car he never would have flipped. The roof flaps would have done their job. That stupid wing was what pushed him into the air. Whoever thought the wind was a good idea should be taken into a dark room and beaten! 236. Cooper posted: 03.09.2010 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. Speechless. Dale Jr. even got points deducted for swearing. This is unbelievable. Epic Fail by NASCAR. Let's hope Brad get's payback by beating Carl racing not in a demolition derby. NAZICAR strikes again! 237. Cfob posted: 03.09.2010 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cfub please go back through the pits and get that fix before you have to be black flagged." When I see him I'll make sure to tell him. 238. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.09.2010 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To paraphrase the quote at the 2005 F1 Indy Race: "This is a disgrace to NASCAR" 239. Smokefan05 posted: 03.09.2010 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch want refunds on their penalty money. From Twitter, Kylebusch "Me too! Let me kno how that goes. Lmao." RT @KevinHarvick: "i'm thinkging about asking for a refund for all of my penalties!!!!" Might as well throw Tony, Junior and Robby in there too. PAY UP NASCAR!! :P BTW Kevin you need too give your 07 Montreal trophy too Robby. :P 240. Talon64 posted: 03.09.2010 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In 2008 when Carl Edwards and Kyle Busch had their far more harmless beef at Bristol, they both got a 6 race probation. How inconsistent can you be? Or is this what NASCAR's new "Have At It" policy comes down to, payback at 190 miles per hour is alright? Hell, maybe NASCAR thinks Brad or other drivers are upset enough that they'll take out Carl and dole out his "punishment" at Bristol? 241. Talon64 posted: 03.09.2010 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interestingly enough, Keselowski either calmed down enough to agree with NASCAR's penalty or is putting on his PR face. Carl, Brad, Jack Roush and Roger Penske are going to have a meeting with NASCAR during the Bristol weekend. http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/cup-keselowski-supports-decision/ 242. Smokefan05 posted: 03.09.2010 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How inconsistent can you be?" 6 for Carl and Kyle and 3 for Carl wrecking another guy. Nope not even close. "Interestingly enough, Keselowski either calmed down enough to agree with NASCAR's penalty or is putting on his PR face." He calmed down and he put on the PR face. It's both. "Carl, Brad, Jack Roush and Roger Penske are going to have a meeting with NASCAR during the Bristol weekend." No it's 'Roger Penske is having a meeting with Carl, Brad and Jack Roush.' Roger will dominate that meeting like only Roger can. "Or is this what NASCAR's new "Have At It" policy comes down to, payback at 190 miles per hour is alright? Hell, maybe NASCAR thinks Brad or other drivers are upset enough that they'll take out Carl and dole out his "punishment" at Bristol?" I don't think Brad will do anything but other Vetern drivers might. Clint Bowyer didn't agree with what Carl did, so that is possibly one "payback" coming. (key word is "possibly" but it most likey will not happen.) Mikey Waltrip says "i'm fine with what NASCAR did." Right and you can fined 10,000 for punching Lake Speed in the face? 243. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2010 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And like it or not, the headlines that Carl's move created will probably be the biggest story of the year (until Dale Jr wins, I guess)" So this Brad/Carl deal will be the biggest headline of the season. "Rather than wondering "what could have been?" just be thankful that no one was hurt." That's the same attitude that got many drivers from all Series killed from 2000-2002. Instead of seeing the potential for disaster, and proactively fixing it on the spot, they waited until Dale got killed, THEN started implementing safety matters. And because the technology takes a while to trickle down to series like ARCA, Blaise Alexander and Eric Martin were also killed afterwards. "If Carl didn't have a big sponsor, he would've been suspended. Bottom line. I've seen drivers get months of probation for doing silly things, but Carl gets three weeks for sending a car flying into the wall on purpose? I wonder how much Aflac was paying NASCAR to leave Carl alone." You're exactly right. It's the same reason Tony Stewart always got off so easy when he was driving the Home Depot (Official Home Improvement Warehouse of NASCAR) car. Aflac is the official supplemental insurance of NASCAR. Once again, money talks, while common sense, and in this case safety, walks in NASCAR. "Okay, why did Kurt Busch lose 100 points for driving recklessly through the pit lane at Dover in 2007 while Edwards didn't lose any points here?" "I've seen drivers get months of probation for doing silly things, but Carl gets three weeks for sending a car flying into the wall on purpose?" "Dale Jr. even got points deducted for swearing. This is unbelievable. Epic Fail by NASCAR." "Right and you can fined 10,000 for punching Lake Speed in the face?" Complete inconsistency. Ridiculous. 244. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2010 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "There was no way for him to have calculated the speed and position at which to hit the 12 to send it into the air, contrary to what some of you believe." Once again, no calculation is required. If you are driving this design of a car (which Carl knew Brad, like everyone else, was), and are going fast (which Carl knew Brad was), and you get sideways (which is what Carl intended to happen), cars can take off. There isn't a specific angle or speed necessary, just "fast" and "sideways". This isn't rocket science. This isn't even Advanced Physics (which I took in college BTW). "With the old car he never would have flipped." But he could have taken a wicked driver's side first impact flush with the wall, or even hit head on or at the dreaded 1:00 angle, which has shown to be fatal in the old car. With the way the quadangle dogleg at these Bruton Smith tracks are, as Brad was spinning, the wall was jutting back at him at an angle. Again, Carl knows that spinning somebody at those high speeds can have dire consequences. And again, this doesn't take an intricate knowledge of science and physics. "Oh yeah, Davey Allison flipped at Pocono in '92 and he was only going about 150-155 mph" That's cause he spun into the grass, which caused air to get under the car, which lifted him up. It is the same reason so many cars flipped at Daytona and Talladega when they had all that infield grass all over the track (Rudd in '84, Trevor Boys in '84, Dick Brooks (I forget the year), that guy whose name I can't remember in the '84 Firecracker 400 (caused the last caution allowing Petty to win #200), Rusty in '93, Rusty in '93 again, etc.). "But yeah, if Keselowski had been driving the 'old' car, I'm afraid we'd all be talking right now about Carl Edwards' impending mansluaghter/2nd degree murder charges, Keselowski's funeral, who'll drive the 99 and 12 cars, etc" You're absolutely right. 245. petty43 posted: 03.09.2010 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wow this is the worse decision by nascar since installing the chase. i really have to question my love for a sport that i have followed for a long time right now, maybe for the first time ever. call me what you will, but this is the first time i have really wanted think about just saying "screw it from here on out" with nascar. i was way off on my prediction i thought sure they would dock him at least 100 points and fine him big. well i guess this means the gloves are off. well i am gonna go check vegas to see who has the best odds of commiting murder first. welcome to wwe/nascar, their next dumbass move i predict will be a royal rumble for one last spot in the chase. 246. potatosalad48 posted: 03.09.2010 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ DaleSrFanForever, that was Doug Hevron who flipped in the '84 Firecracker 400 247. Kit posted: 03.09.2010 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm with you, petty43. At the very least he should have been docked points or fined. You don't purposely try to wreck/injure someone and then get put on double secret super probation. I guess money talks. Harvick got suspended for much less just because he pissed off the wrong people. Edwards didn't piss off the wrong people... slap on the wrist. 248. Kit posted: 03.09.2010 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 230, Sean, Thank you for pointing out the vast inconsistency. 249. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.09.2010 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks Tater. I couldn't think of his name. petty43, I've been thinking the same thing. How can I support a sport that would make a decision like this? Fans like us have given them chance after chance and they just keep pissing on us. I guess I just keep hoping to once again see the sport I fell in love with as a child in the late 80s and early 90s, when it was a sport with real men for drivers, where talent and the ability to get the job done on track was what sponsors were after, not their ability to interact with the media. Where headcases never even sniffed a good Cup ride. I know I'm being naive as hell in hoping for this, but I have such a spot in my heart for the old NASCAR that I keep coming back, week after week, and getting crapped on. 250. 12345Dude posted: 03.09.2010 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow with Carl Edwards proving what a douchbag he is with all this, [and what he wrote on facebook], I'm running out of people to cheer for. What next is Brad secretly a serial killer? Or is Kasey Kahne a thief? What next? With all the top drivers being A. A baby or B. A douchbag, I'm running out of drivers to like. [Honestly no offense to anyone that is Religions, just ranting] You know nascar really did the right thing. I mean parking Carl with 5 laps to go. Carl disobeying them about pit road, and then making a joke about it. Not once but twice. I bet all that praying they did together after the race, really helped everyone. God being disappointed in Carl, was punishment enough. I think were all going to look back at this incident, again in the future. Especially with how na$car is handling it. 251. petty43 posted: 03.09.2010 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF if you or I commit attempted vehicular manslaugter we get 6 monthes hard time with good behavior, carl gets 3 weeks probation, horseshit, out and out tripe. however i would have to say that nascar is sticking to their guns on the issue of letting the drivers work it out, but i thought they should do it off the track, i would love to see carl kick brian's lilly ass, and he would trust me, and carl would have gained fans in the process, instead of losing them what a dumbass, plus carl had all that time to stew and think about the right thing to do, and still did something terrible. If i met carl edwards, i would spit right in his face, and as the great smokey yumick once said of dick rathmann "he better hope i die first because i fully intend to piss on his grave". with regards to your sentamentality for the good old days, i hear you there as well, all i can suggest is try reading a book i just picked up called "He Crashed Me So I crashed him back" by Mark Bechtel (i know how ironic is that title), but it recounts the 1979 title season and daytona 500 with painstaking detail. this guy really did his homework, and the 79 season was a doosie with Jaws, Bobby, Cale, Pearson, Buddy, Rookie Earnhardt, and of course the King, who whooped em all for the title. great read, better than arguing with hillbilly shitstains on this website. just kidding hell i wear my hillbilly tag with pride. 252. 18fan posted: 03.09.2010 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) petty43, I have that book as well and it is awesome, especially since I am too young to have witnessed it in person. One matter that has already been brought up was Carl and Kyle at Bristol. A bump and run for the win, with some sideswiping AFTER THE RACE, not during, and they get 6 weeks probation. Another matter is an incident between Kyle Busch and Kasey Kahne in 2005 at New Hampshire. Kyle wrecked Kasey battling for position, so Kasey block Kyle's advance by backing his car up in front of Kyle's under caution. He lost 25 points and $25,000. My point is, since Carl Edwards intentionally wrecked a top 5 car while 150 laps and only got three weeks probation, is that Carl is such a media darling that NASCAR can't lose him because of his sponsors. Now I will even root for Jimmie Johnson to beat Carl(I root against Jimmie because I want someone else to win the championship, not because he's a bad guy. 253. Mike posted: 03.09.2010 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR sticks with their back to basics approach, just slap the driver with a minor penalty because the 'back to basics' approach means let the drivers/owners involved work it out. This is what the fans asked, now you have it and some people are still complaining. This is one of the main reasons why NASCAR has gone down hill from the 90's. Fans have no clue what they want and always whine and complain about anything NASCAR does. Of course NASCAR is going to be inconsistent from what they used to do. Part of the 'back to basics' approach is quit trying to police the drivers and let them work it out. 254. petty43 posted: 03.09.2010 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i wonder how much jack roush is paying nascar under the table? 255. Critic posted: 03.09.2010 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a sham of a penalty, but the France's had no choice. Remember, this is a season of "reversion", which, if you believe the advertisements, means glorifying severe accidents and letting competitors handle their disagreements without interference from the sanctioning body. Unfortunately, we've just had an abrupt reminder that it's no longer 1980, but it's too late to undo the publicity machine now. To anyone here still operating under the belief that what Edwards did is just, there is such a thing as "proportional response" (see U.N.'s allegations against Israel via the Goldstone Report). If you think that their entanglement in turn two -- and truthfully, any of their past encounters -- were deserving of a pirouette into the catchfencing, you might try finding another sport, like boxing, because such conduct has no place in legitimate motor racing. There can be no debating this point: no accident, irrespective of its severity, will ever absolve a premeditated attempt to do harm to another competitor, putting the entire field and innocent spectators at risk. I imagine many of you would be just as self-righteous as you imply the rest of us are being if it were your driver on the other end of the effects of Edwards' searing red mist, but that's neither here nor there. If you want to publicly expose your ignorance for the rest of us, be my guest. If I'm a competitor of Edwards, I'd take note of what occurred on Sunday and file it in my memory for later use. The man is borderline psychotic; only someone capable of disturbing inconsideration for human life could have retaliated in such a manner after admitting that he was more than culpable in their first altercation. If Edwards is incapable of expressing even that modicum of respect for another individual, he should be banned until he can. In a championship fight, I'd be his greatest nuisance for the last two months of the season and watch him crack like an egg under the strain of trying to 'right' perceived wrongs -- Dale Earnhardt would carry this imbecile back to daycare crying and screaming. It's baffling to me that someone so lacking in emotional stability and maturity could reach the highest levels of his profession, but considering the rampant mental dysfunction amongst the competition, it seems to be a common impediment. Since it's come up again, this is what I wrote two nights ago: "I think the heart of the matter, a reality we'd like to conceal behind Edwards' ignorance, is incredibly disconcerting. The truth is that we have a sport made up of primarily self-indulgent, petulant children, who treat this enterprise as a birthright and game rather than a privilege. Many of them regularly show appalling dissonance and immaturity, lacking the circumspection required to act as in-event adjudicators ... The problem is that when fools play a man's game, someone will eventually draw a short straw." 256. Smokefan05 posted: 03.09.2010 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If I'm a competitor of Edwards, I'd take note of what occurred on Sunday and file it in my memory for later use. The man is borderline psychotic; only someone capable of disturbing inconsideration for human life could have retaliated in such a manner after admitting that he was more than culpable in their first altercation." Agree 100%. If you drive with Carl, have it in your mind what happened too Brad and act accordingly should you need too do something. "It's baffling to me that someone so lacking in emotional stability and maturity could reach the highest levels of his profession, but considering the rampant mental dysfunction amongst the competition, it seems to be a common impediment." Tony and Robby have lacked "mental clarity" at times. And at times i've worried that would hurt someone. But thank god they haven't. "Dale Earnhardt would carry this imbecile back to daycare crying and screaming." Are you saying Dale would go off the deep end and hurt/kill someone? Can you explain that in a little more detail because i'm confused. 257. Critic posted: 03.09.2010 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Are you saying Dale would go off the deep end ...?" I think the general idea of the above was that Edwards would be totally humiliated by Dale Earnhardt (or anyone remotely similar). 258. Mike posted: 03.09.2010 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If I'm a competitor of Edwards, I'd take note of what occurred on Sunday and file it in my memory for later use. The man is borderline psychotic" So shouldn't competitors of Denny Hamlin take note of what occurred at Homestead because he's shown he will wreck people on purpose? Shouldn't Denny have gotten a penalty for what he did? Oh wait, but because Brad didn't go airborne its a non issue right? 259. 18fan posted: 03.09.2010 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny did get a one lap penalty, got the lap back and then finished fifth in the race. 260. Smokefan05 posted: 03.09.2010 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think the general idea of the above was that Edwards would be totally humiliated by Dale Earnhardt (or anyone remotely similar)." Oh i agree. Once Dale would be done with him, he wouldn't show his face at the racetrack again. I could think of some other drivers who would make Edwards regret messing with them. 261. Mike posted: 03.09.2010 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Denny did get a one lap penalty, got the lap back and then finished fifth in the race." Yeah, and some people were whining he even got that. All I'm hearing is Carl should be fined, suspended, docked points and all of this other stuff. If Carl meant to flip over Brad and hurt the man I'd agree with that, but all he meant to do was spin him into the grass. If Brad spun through the grass this would be a non issue and that's how NASCAR sees it which is why he just got a slap on the wrist. I'm a huge Keselowski fan and I see a lot of Earnhardt in him, but people need to get over it. Paybacks are apart of racing, this one just happen to turn out more violent than what was intended. 262. Anonymous posted: 03.09.2010 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "All you're saying is that Montoya is a jack-of-all-trades and a master of none." He was the best American Open Wheel driver of his time so he's hardly a master of none. As for the Edwards penalty, I'd like to see the size of the check the Aflac duck wrote Brian France for this one. 263. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Once again, no calculation is required. If you are driving this design of a car (which Carl knew Brad, like everyone else, was), and are going fast (which Carl knew Brad was), and you get sideways (which is what Carl intended to happen), cars can take off. There isn't a specific angle or speed necessary, just "fast" and "sideways". This isn't rocket science. This isn't even Advanced Physics (which I took in college BTW)." Look back at last year's Daytona 380. Dale Jr turned Vickers sideways on the backstretch (unintentionally or intentionally, you choose) while doing 170mph. I think 170mph qualifies as "fast", and the fact that the 83 wasn't pointing straight must have meant that it was sideways. Bottom line - Vickers stayed on the ground and didn't come close to taking off. So yes, there is a specific angle or speed that is necessary, not that I know what it is. Hell, the roof flaps themselves are designed the way they are based on critical angles and pretty advanced physics. Thankfully most drivers realize the biggest issue from Sunday is not driver retaliation, it's keeping cars on the ground at all costs. And since Brad himself has agreed with NASCAR's penalty, I don't think any of you need to complain any further about how Carl should be dealt with. 264. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.10.2010 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Look back at last year's Daytona 380. Dale Jr turned Vickers sideways on the backstretch (unintentionally or intentionally, you choose) while doing 170mph. I think 170mph qualifies as "fast", and the fact that the 83 wasn't pointing straight must have meant that it was sideways. Bottom line - Vickers stayed on the ground and didn't come close to taking off. So yes, there is a specific angle or speed that is necessary, not that I know what it is. Hell, the roof flaps themselves are designed the way they are based on critical angles and pretty advanced physics." Bottom line: Brad DID go airborne, and you onbviously didn't notice that whoever you were replying to (I think it was DSFF) said it CAN happen. And once again, when I'm done writing I come to the conclusion "Why the hell am I even arguing with this guy?" 265. Smokefan05 posted: 03.10.2010 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Paybacks are apart of racing, this one just happen to turn out more violent than what was intended." I'm fine with paybacks, but there is a time and place for payback. And going 195mph at Atlanta isn't the time or place. If Carl had patience he'd wait after the race and let his fists do the talking instead of his front bumper. There are 3 short tracks coming up, wait a better place too enact your revenge at Bristol. A place with a history of drivers wrecking and paying each other back. So why add a chapter there? But oh well that didn't happen. Since the drivers agree with NASCARs ruling then i have agree with them. Since they are "having at it" on the racetrack. 266. Anonymous posted: 03.10.2010 - 1:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or how about Carl doesn't do anything? I hate Krashalotski and his apologists as much as anyone but Carl wrecked himself. Wrecks are a part of racing, and if you get that angry about it you don't belong in a race car. Sir Krashalot will learn his own lesson once some of his over aggressive moves take himself out. 267. Cfob posted: 03.10.2010 - 2:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Thankfully most drivers realize the biggest issue from Sunday is not driver retaliation, it's keeping cars on the ground at all costs. And since Brad himself has agreed with NASCAR's penalty, I don't think any of you need to complain any further about how Carl should be dealt with." Why do we have to base our opinions on what Brad said? We think Carl should be suspended because of what he did to Brad, not because Brad told us to want Carl suspended. Just because you can't think on your own doesn't mean we can't. 268. Kit posted: 03.10.2010 - 2:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And since Brad himself has agreed with NASCAR's penalty, I don't think any of you need to complain any further about how Carl should be dealt with." You actually think Brad would run his mouth to NASCAR? More than likely he doesn't like the penalty but it's not in his best interest to say so. You're an idiot. 269. Kit posted: 03.10.2010 - 2:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He was the best American Open Wheel driver of his time so he's hardly a master of none." You missed my point entirely; I don't disagree that he's a good open wheel driver. But that's not what I was talking about. Someone said that if he wins a few more Cup races (only a few more), he will be the best driver in the world. He's not exactly dominating Cup. 270. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.10.2010 - 2:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Or how about Carl doesn't do anything? I hate Krashalotski and his apologists as much as anyone but Carl wrecked himself. Wrecks are a part of racing, and if you get that angry about it you don't belong in a race car. Sir Krashalot will learn his own lesson once some of his over aggressive moves take himself out. " I can agree with "not doing anything" but if Carl wanted to do something, he should of waited until after the race to confront him, wreck him on a slower part of the track, or wait until Bristol to knock some sense into him. 271. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.10.2010 - 2:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why do we have to base our opinions on what Brad said? We think Carl should be suspended because of what he did to Brad, not because Brad told us to want Carl suspended. Just because you can't think on your own doesn't mean we can't." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This. Ignorance is bliss for Bronco. 272. Kit posted: 03.10.2010 - 2:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So shouldn't competitors of Denny Hamlin take note of what occurred at Homestead because he's shown he will wreck people on purpose? Shouldn't Denny have gotten a penalty for what he did? Oh wait, but because Brad didn't go airborne its a non issue right?" I can't seem to recall a situation in which Denny Hamlin was purposely trying to hit a driver on the fastest part of the fastest track in NASCAR, do you, Mike? Carl Edwards tried to hit Brad the lap prior and missed. The next lap he hit him. That's pretty out there. The time where Edwards missed hitting Brad would have been more brutal had he hit him. 273. Anonymous posted: 03.10.2010 - 3:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You missed my point entirely; I don't disagree that he's a good open wheel driver. But that's not what I was talking about. Someone said that if he wins a few more Cup races (only a few more), he will be the best driver in the world. He's not exactly dominating Cup." Yeah, it's all a matter of opinion anyway. Until we see Jeff Gordon in an F1 car or Michael Schumacher in a NASCAR car it's a matter of which series you think has the better drivers. I think NASCAR does, but I respect JPM for being successful in both even though he hasn't been dominate in either to this point. "I can agree with "not doing anything" but if Carl wanted to do something, he should of waited until after the race to confront him, wreck him on a slower part of the track, or wait until Bristol to knock some sense into him." Or he should of done something after Memphis last year since I think that's what he's really mad about. He can't honestly be stupid enough to think Sunday's wreck was Brad's fault. Staying out of the Nationwide Series would help him greatly. If you race in a series with less experienced drivers there's a chance one of them will wreck you and it's not the Cup drivers place to teach him a lesson. Brad has to learn on his own. 274. Mike posted: 03.10.2010 - 8:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I can't seem to recall a situation in which Denny Hamlin was purposely trying to hit a driver on the fastest part of the fastest track in NASCAR, do you, Mike? Carl Edwards tried to hit Brad the lap prior and missed. The next lap he hit him. That's pretty out there." Denny spun Brad coming off of turn 4 at Homestead, which is still a very fast part of the race track that could have been more serious than it was. Everyone knew going in that race Denny was gonna go after Brad. What Carl did was a poor judgment call and in no way do I condone his actions, but he didn't intend to flip him over. I don't think he should be suspended or docked points for making a bad judgment call. If NASCAR were to begin suspending drivers for making bad judgment calls every driver will be suspended at some point. 275. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 8:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why do we have to base our opinions on what Brad said? We think Carl should be suspended because of what he did to Brad, not because Brad told us to want Carl suspended." Well let's see now, the last time I checked Brad Krashalotski is the driver of the 12, not you or any of your little supporters. He was the one who was sent flying through the air, not you. So if Krashalotski, the "victim" in all of this is ok with NASCAR's treatment of the issue, then if you're as diehard of a fan as you claim to be, then you'll be ok with it too and respect his decision. "Bottom line: Brad DID go airborne, and you onbviously didn't notice that whoever you were replying to (I think it was DSFF) said it CAN happen." Yeah, and the bottom line is the driver and all the fans were completely ok, yet some of you are still whining about how the driver and the fans COULD have been injured. NASCAR has put themselves in a box with what they set at the start of the year. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Not penalizing Edwards gets people like you pissed off, while penalizing him is a direct contradiction to their "Have at it" attitude that they wanted. Honestly, I can't remember being folks being so concerned about Montoya's well being and asking for David Gilliland to be fined/suspended/ when Gilliland turned him head on into the wall at Texas, a track that is equally as fast as AMS. Gilliland was only put on the probation until the end of the season, which was only 2 races away anyways, so Carl's penalty is consistent with the previous ruling. 276. Cooper posted: 03.10.2010 - 10:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm tired of talking about this. Carl had roid rage; got revenge, NASCAR didn't want to be hypocrites, and Brad just agreed with NASCAR to save face. There's really only one thing they and I can do. Move onto Bristol, and see what happens. See ya in Bristol! 277. Billy Bob Prostate posted: 03.10.2010 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I suspect Carl might be a juicer. Lets face it, he is a buff bro and he has shown episodes of roid rage. Maybe its just testosterone, but I enjoy speculating. 278. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.10.2010 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I suspect Carl might be a juicer. Lets face it, he is a buff bro and he has shown episodes of roid rage. Maybe its just testosterone, but I enjoy speculating." Despite your odd screen name, that is an interesting point. His tendency for real rage (unlike the hollow threats sent out by people like Tony and Kevin) is noticable. Although I think he just another mentally unstable driver in a long line of mentally unstable drivers that made it in an era cause they can put on a good PR face, that is an interesting point. "You actually think Brad would run his mouth to NASCAR? More than likely he doesn't like the penalty but it's not in his best interest to say so." Exactly. I doubt Brad even wrote that "response". Like most PR responses it sounds nothing like something somebody would actually say, especially somebody that probably just had their life flash before their eyes like Brad. "Yeah, and the bottom line is the driver and all the fans were completely ok, yet some of you are still whining about how the driver and the fans COULD have been injured." Again, this retroactive "let's wait until it completely blows up in our faces" attitude is what got a lot of people killed in NASCAR. We see the potential for a much worse outcome under similar circumstances, and want something done about it. 279. Smokefan05 posted: 03.10.2010 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Again, this retroactive "let's wait until it completely blows up in our faces" attitude is what got a lot of people killed in NASCAR" Yep i know of certain event in 2001 which MADE nascar change. 280. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Exactly. I doubt Brad even wrote that "response". Like most PR responses it sounds nothing like something somebody would actually say, especially somebody that probably just had their life flash before their eyes like Brad." The PR line came from Brad, so for all intents and purposes he agrees with NASCAR's penalty on Carl. If he doesn't agree, then he should speak up since I don't exactly think he needs to fear retribution. Notice also that it has been 3 days since the incident, and apart from Kyle Petty (who suggested that Carl be benched for 6 months) and Penske racing, no one else has exactly leapt to Krashalotski's defense and called for Edwards to be suspended. These guys are the ones who have to race with Carl week in and week out, and obviously they feel safe enough around him to not go lobbying NASCAR for a stiff penalty. While no one will come out and openly say it, that means that most drivers feel that Krashalotski had some form of payback coming. Krashalotski hasn't exactly made a lot of friends during his limited Cup and Nationwide career, and while racing isn't a popularity contest, I'm sure having a couple of drivers side with him would have gotten Carl the suspension that you all think he deserves. Looking at all the recent driver Twitter posts is proof of this. Most drivers are smart enough to realize that the real issue is with the racecar itself. From 2008 to now, there have been 6 instances of a car getting airborne, and that's the real problem that NASCAR needs to address. Designing a safer race car is going to do a lot more to save lives/prevent injuries than penalizing Carl ever will. 281. Cfob posted: 03.10.2010 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well let's see now, the last time I checked Brad Krashalotski is the driver of the 12, not you or any of your little supporters. He was the one who was sent flying through the air, not you. So if Krashalotski, the "victim" in all of this is ok with NASCAR's treatment of the issue, then if you're as diehard of a fan as you claim to be, then you'll be ok with it too and respect his decision." Wow. You must be some kind of puppet to think that is even close to a legitimate idea. I am aware Brad KESELOWSKI drives the number 12. I also understand Brad KESELOWSKI was taken out by Carl Edwards. I also am well aware of the fact that I am a die hard Brad KESELOWSKI fan. However, I am also a free thinking individual, with a Constitutionally protected right to free speech in the country I call home. That means I am allowed to say what I think regardless of what someone else says (I understand the concept of "THINKING" may be a bit out of your grasp, but that's okay, I'm not making this point for you, kiddo). Just because I am a fan of Brad KESELOWSKI (as I have been for ten years this April) does not mean I have to agree with everything he (or what the Penske Racing PR corps tell him to) say. While I may respect Brad KESELOWSKI's (pronounced Keh-seh-low-ski, not Kez-lowe-ski, for the record) decision in regards to the matter, that in no way means I have to change how I feel on the matter. This is why you have had egg on your face this entire thread. You cannot separate Carl Edwards and Brad KESELOWSKI from the incident that occurred. To us logically thinking members of this community, the issue at hand is WHAT happened, not WHO it happened to. To you, it is all WHO and no WHAT. If you were able to do that (which I would assume requires more cognitive ability than you can muster) you too would agree with us about the fact that Carl was deserving of a punishment far more severe than the hand kissing NASCAR gave him. But you can't. This issue to you is all about furthering your anti-Brad agenda, without one iota of concern for the potentially catastrophic things that could have occurred thanks to Carl Edwards's moment of instability. For me (and I am assuming all the others on my side of the argument) this is all about a driver intentionally wrecked and put in undue danger for not just himself but the fans on the other side of that fence he nearly went through. Do you realize this sanctioning body you love (because someone like you does NOT love this sport as a whole) would have been DONE FOR had that car gone through the fence? No, you don't. Because, as I said before, you're all caught up in the WHO with no regard for the WHAT. And THAT, Bronco, is why most of the people posting here think you are a sick, demented, mentally unwell, psychopath with no regard for human life or even the sport you watch. Get your act together. 282. Talon64 posted: 03.10.2010 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""He was the best American Open Wheel driver of his time so he's hardly a master of none." You missed my point entirely; I don't disagree that he's a good open wheel driver. But that's not what I was talking about. Someone said that if he wins a few more Cup races (only a few more), he will be the best driver in the world. He's not exactly dominating Cup." No, but more Cup wins would make him as close to the AJ Foyt/Mario Andretti of our generation as we're going to get. CART championship, Indy 500, multiple wins in F1, 24 Hours at Daytona for sports cars so now he needs sustained success in NASCAR to get there. 283. Talon64 posted: 03.10.2010 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fittingly enough it was Carl Edwards who took the biggest tumble down the standings, 10 spots from 10th to 20th but still only 47 points out of 12th. The total damage of the race's incidents between Brad and Carl saw Joey Logano drop 6 spots to 14th, 11 points out, and Keselowski drop 3 spots to 33rd. David Reutimann went from 9th to 18th, down 9 spots. Kyle Busch dropped to 15th meaning there's currently no JGR driver in the top 12 (Hamlin stayed up in 22nd). The biggest gainers were Kurt Busch and Paul Menard. Kurt's win moved up him 9 spots from 19th to 10th while Menard's best career non-plate result moved him up 8 spots from 17th to 9th. Scott Speed moved up 4 spots into a Chase spot in 12th while Kasey Kahne's first top five of the season moved him up 6 spots to 17th, 35 points out of 12th. 284. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cfob, typing out "Keselowski" isn't going to change the fact that to me, he will always be Krashalotski, Wreckalotski, Causeawreckski, Spinalotski. According to you I'm a kiddo with no cognitive ability, so I don't see why this bothers you so much, and the fact that it does get your panties in a bunch is downright hilarious. This is will come as a complete shocker to you I'm sure, but issues debated on this website mean nothing as far as our personal lives and concerned, and it's sad for you to make every Krashalotski related incident (there, I said it again) personal. If you had half a brain, you wouldn't be wasting your time trying to change something that is out of your control. I'm a Dale Jr fan and it doesn't bother me one bit that some people refer to him as Dale Mears. I just find it funny that a guy with 18 wins is being compared to a guy with 1, but I never break down in tears the way you do everytime I say "Krashalotski". Shit, you're even trying to tell people how to pronounce his name, as if people care. Believe it or not, people on countless other message boards have also developed some very creative name for Driver #12, so I guess you should probably head over there and educate them as to how his name should be typed and pronounced. "To us logically thinking members of this community, the issue at hand is WHAT happened, not WHO it happened to." You're absolutely right. The issue is that a car got sideays and went airborne. The issue is all about trying to fix that and prevent that from happening in the future. That's it. The issue is NOT about "How stiff a penalty does Carl deserve?" "If you were able to do that (which I would assume requires more cognitive ability than you can muster) you too would agree with us about the fact that Carl was deserving of a punishment far more severe than the hand kissing NASCAR gave him." Brian Vickers, Scott Speed, Kyle Busch, Elliott Sadler (you know, some of the guys that Carl races on a weekly basis) apparently don't think so. Now go back to your box of tissues. 285. Billy Bob Prostate posted: 03.10.2010 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell yea! 286. Cfob posted: 03.10.2010 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cfob, typing out "Keselowski" isn't going to change the fact that to me, he will always be Krashalotski, Wreckalotski, Causeawreckski, Spinalotski. According to you I'm a kiddo with no cognitive ability, so I don't see why this bothers you so much, and the fact that it does get your panties in a bunch is downright hilarious. This is will come as a complete shocker to you I'm sure, but issues debated on this website mean nothing as far as our personal lives and concerned, and it's sad for you to make every Krashalotski related incident (there, I said it again) personal. If you had half a brain, you wouldn't be wasting your time trying to change something that is out of your control. " Actually, I co-hosted an internet radio show, and this was discussed. The other host reads this site the KESELOWSKI thing was because of a rant he went on. Cute that you think it's about you though, but while your life revolves around stalking NASCAR drivers on Twitter and Racing-Reference, I actually have a life. I know people in (gasp!) Real Life. So when I found out someone was following this, I figured I'd give them a subtle "shoutout." That's the thing about mixing inside jokes while keyboard narcissists are around. "You're absolutely right. The issue is that a car got sideays and went airborne. The issue is all about trying to fix that and prevent that from happening in the future. That's it. The issue is NOT about "How stiff a penalty does Carl deserve?"" You're HALF-right (which I guess for you is some kind of record... But I digress. "Fixing" the car has already been addressed. NASCAR has had plans to reintroduce a spoiler for HOW long now? That issue HAS been addressed. The issue is that one driver created that life-threatening havoc, and how that should be addressed. If you paid attention to pretty much any regularly updated NASCAR-related website, they announced in JANUARY that a spoiler would be coming back. So, no, the car is NOT the issue. Nice try though, kiddo. "Now go back to your box of tissues." A member of "Junior Nation" telling someone to quit crying. Funny. But a more apt thing to say, would tell me to get off my Soap Box. See, while you again prove how dumb you are, I am forced to highlight it. I really do hate making you look bad. I mean, there's no challenge there at ALL. It's like shooting dead fish in a barrel. I almost feel like I am picking on you. But, you see, while you were sitting here trying to convince me how you GET that this isn't about Brad and Carl, you ratted yourself out at the last line. But I appreciate you trying to impress me. Nice try. Gold star. Now, have fun @replying Scott Speed and Kyle Petty. Tell them I said hi. 287. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.10.2010 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I just find it funny that a guy with 18 wins is being compared to a guy with 1" But they have the same amount of wins in the last 163 races, a fairly large sample to choose from. And cars have been getting airborne long before the winged COT came out. Did it make matters worse? Absolutely, but again high speed + sideways = potential for REALLY bad things. 288. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.10.2010 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Again DaleSrFan. 18 wins to 1. The Dale "Mears" reference is totally uncalled for 289. Billy Bob Prostate posted: 03.10.2010 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Actually, I co-hosted an internet radio show, and this was discussed. The other host reads this site the KESELOWSKI thing was because of a rant he went on. Cute that you think it's about you though, but while your life revolves around stalking NASCAR drivers on Twitter and Racing-Reference, I actually have a life." Just curious, was it a NASCAR radio show? How could I get into that? Also, I take offense to the comment about stalking drivers on racing-reference and not having a life. I love NASCAR and numbers; its the only thing I am interested in with the beer being the exception. NASCAR is my life and I don't see how thats a problem. I understand you and Mr. Bronco are having an Edwards-Keselowski feud going on right now, but that one bothered me. 290. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That issue HAS been addressed. The issue is that one driver created that life-threatening havoc, and how that should be addressed. If you paid attention to pretty much any regularly updated NASCAR-related website, they announced in JANUARY that a spoiler would be coming back." And if you paid any attention in January, you would know that NASCAR said "Have at it" without issuing any guidelines whatsoever as to how payback or "life threatening havoc" would be dealt with. But hey, thanks for playing "kiddo". It's like Ratcliff predicted last year, "Someone's gonna get mad and do it back to him at a higher speed racetrack". Hamlin said a week later "It's a self policing sport". Couldn't have been more right, guys. "But they have the same amount of wins in the last 163 races, a fairly large sample to choose from. " Ok, and in the last 76 races (also a fairly large sample to choose from), Jeff Gordon has the same number of wins as "Dale Mears". According to your (complete lack of) logic, Jeff Gordon is now "Jeff Mears" right? "Absolutely, but again high speed + sideways = potential for REALLY bad things." Huh, I didn't see any REALLY bad things happen at Homestead last year when Denny spun the #88. 291. zuel660 posted: 03.10.2010 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All the 99/12 arguing aside, congrats to Kurt Busch & Dodge for winning this race, and also good run for Bill Elliott as well! Leading a lap in this race also means that Bill has led a lap in 5 different decades now! 292. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.10.2010 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Huh, I didn't see any REALLY bad things happen at Homestead last year when Denny spun the #88." Do you understand what the word "potential" means? It doesn't mean "absolutely will happen". I'll give you an example: Based on his natural talent, Dale Mears has the POTENTIAL to win at any given race. Yet it has only happened once in the last 163 races. "Ok, and in the last 76 races (also a fairly large sample to choose from), Jeff Gordon has the same number of wins as "Dale Mears". According to your (complete lack of) logic, Jeff Gordon is now "Jeff Mears" right?" Jeff Mears. That's kinda catchy. No because at least he has been in contention for wins over that span, and hasn't lagged badly behind JJ as far as overall competitiveness. He just hasn't gotten it done when the money is on the line. He still finished Top 5 in points last year and Top 10 in '08. Dale Mears did neither. And how many times have we seen the "Hendrick Motorsports Running Order" graphic and seen something along the lines of "1st, 4th, 5th, 27th" with the #88 car always being the trailer. And besides, I've said all along Jeff's heart hasn't been in it like it used to. 293. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.10.2010 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jeff Mears. That's kinda catchy. No because at least he has been in contention for wins over that span, and hasn't lagged badly behind JJ as far as overall competitiveness. He just hasn't gotten it done when the money is on the line. He still finished Top 5 in points last year and Top 10 in '08. Dale Mears did neither. And how many times have we seen the "Hendrick Motorsports Running Order" graphic and seen something along the lines of "1st, 4th, 5th, 27th" with the #88 car always being the trailer. And besides, I've said all along Jeff's heart hasn't been in it like it used to." See, you made a very good argument about that... Until the last line. From what I've seen you write in Jr's driver page, it sounds as though his heart isn't in it either. In fact, I think you even mentioned that once on the page (I'm honestly too lazy to search through a hundred-something comments at the moment). If I'm wrong, please do correct me, but I don't feel like starting another argument right now since this one we have going at the moment is more than enough. 294. Smokefan05 posted: 03.10.2010 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jeff Mears." Like in Jeff Green? :P btw i mean disrespect too Jeff GREEN. 295. Smokefan05 posted: 03.10.2010 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "btw i mean disrespect too Jeff GREEN." No disrespect. oops. 296. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No because at least he has been in contention for wins over that span," And by that same token, Dale Jr has been in contention for tons more wins during his slump years (2005, 2007 and 2009) than Casey Mears ever was in his whole career, therefore rendering any comparisons between the two to be completely meaningless. Even in his nightmarish 2009 season, Dale Jr led more same number of laps as Casey did in his whole Hendrick career. "and hasn't lagged badly behind JJ as far as overall competitiveness." I guess you didn't watch the 2008 season then. JJ's cars are built in the same shop, by the same people as those who built the 24, yet he won 7 times that year and led like 2000 laps while Jeff was completely shut out. When you have a goose egg in the win column and the other car that shares your shop has 7, I consider that to be lagging badly. Heck, even Dale Jr beat Jeff in 2008 by winning a points race and two exhibition events, and by having a better average finish and twice as many laps led. "He still finished Top 5 in points last year and Top 10 in '08. Dale Mears did neither." Make up your mind, once and for all. If you're not a believer in the joke that is the cha$e system and don't consider Kurt Busch to be a champion, then Dale Jr finished 7th in 2008, one spot ahead of Jeff. "And besides, I've said all along Jeff's heart hasn't been in it like it used to." Which is why he chose to extend his career for another 3 or 4 years, despite having more money and success than most other drivers could ever dream of, right? 297. Ryan posted: 03.10.2010 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "All you're saying is that Montoya is a jack-of-all-trades and a master of none." "He was the best American Open Wheel driver of his time so he's hardly a master of none." Right on. And someone said he choked away this race. He had an outside chance of winning this race. He only led a few laps. He had to have Kurt spin his tires or something on the restart to win this. Kurt was great on restars and was awesome on new tires all day. If anything Carl Edwards ruined it for JPM because JPM was catching KuBu and then Carl had to be Carl and be a jack ass. Honestly can anyone say that when JPM started Nascar that he would actually be competitive in the top 5 and top 10? No way. He has did a lot better than anyone thought he would. Most people thought Chip was an idiot for bringing him in. He just rubs people the wrong way and prejudiced plays a part as well. I thought for sure Carl would get a race on the sidelines, but it's all about $$$ when it comes to Nascar. "But they have the same amount of wins in the last 163 races, a fairly large sample to choose from." So he hasn't figured out the COT yet. Maybe when the old wing comes back he will have success again. 298. G14 posted: 03.10.2010 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So he hasn't figured out the COT yet. Maybe when the old wing comes back he will have success again." Its not the COT...its that he hasnt been the same since Eury Sr. stopped calling the shots. 299. Talon64 posted: 03.10.2010 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So he hasn't figured out the COT yet. Maybe when the old wing comes back he will have success again." Dale Jr. had 4 top fives, 6 top tens and led 226 laps in the 16 COT races in 2007, along with 3 engine failures. Without those failures he had an average finish of 13.9. He seemed to have a grasp on it back then. 300. Hugh G. Rection posted: 03.10.2010 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Never pull for him on Sunday, but I am starting to feel bad for Jr. He is not a great driver, but he is not a 25th place driver. I am starting to wonder if Hendrick isn't interested in giving him good cars; instead Rick just wants to own Jr. and make some money off of him. He realizes Dale is the most popular driver and knows the money will come in and make the other teams (5, 24, 48) stronger. Its more important to have a driver that can bring in money than it is to have a driver that can win. (see: Danica) 301. Cfob posted: 03.10.2010 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And if you paid any attention in January, you would know that NASCAR said "Have at it" without issuing any guidelines whatsoever as to how payback or "life threatening havoc" would be dealt with. But hey, thanks for playing "kiddo"." Exactly. NASCAR issued no set guidelines, which means they had the chance to set a precedent for dealing with people who take things too far. They dropped the ball. "It's like Ratcliff predicted last year, "Someone's gonna get mad and do it back to him at a higher speed racetrack". Hamlin said a week later "It's a self policing sport". Couldn't have been more right, guys." Except Carl Edwards admitted to this incident being an error on his part. He got angry for something Brad wasn't responsible. So, by your definition, Brad should constantly live in fear that something might happen NEAR him on the racetrack, because he gives the other drivers the right to try and kill him? Sweet logic, kiddo. 302. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Exactly. NASCAR issued no set guidelines, which means they had the chance to set a precedent for dealing with people who take things too far. They dropped the ball." According to you. According to Krashalotski himself, he agrees with the penalty. You'll also notice how none of the other drivers have leapt to Krashalotski's defense, and none of them have spoken out about Carl's actions or against the penalty. Feel free to interpret that however you like. 303. Hugh G. Rection posted: 03.10.2010 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You two really hate each other. 304. Smokefan05 posted: 03.10.2010 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You'll also notice how none of the other drivers have leapt to Krashalotski's defense, and none of them have spoken out about Carl's actions or against the penalty." Or maybe vetern drivers are talking too Brad then the camera and mics aren't on and giving him some advice. Or mostly it's Roger doing the talking. "You two really hate each other." Ya think? 305. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.10.2010 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You'll also notice how none of the other drivers have leapt to Krashalotski's defense, and none of them have spoken out about Carl's actions or against the penalty." Did you not read Kyle Busch's twitter message? 306. Bronco posted: 03.10.2010 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Did you not read Kyle Busch's twitter message?" Uh, yeah I did, and it basically went like this. "Coulda woulda shoulda?jeeeesh.People want the gloves off, drivers show more personality, and now they complain. Nothing happened. move on." So according to Kyle, he doesn't see this is an issue at all, and he basically criticizes the fans for clamoring for driver personalities and at the same time asking NASCAR to penalize Carl for doing something which essentially followed their preseason directive. Thanks for proving my point though! 307. Racer X posted: 03.11.2010 - 8:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crashcar, er Nascar=WWE on Wheels. 308. Mike posted: 03.11.2010 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I usually don't agree with Kyle but I 100% agree with what he said. Some fans have no clue what they want and are very inconsistent with their opinions. 309. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.11.2010 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My bad, I meant Harvick's where he said "i'm thinking about asking for a refund for all of my penalties!!!!" 310. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.11.2010 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you can't see that Jeff has done much better than Dale Mears over the past 2 years, I don't know what to tell you. Yes they have the same number of wins, but since Dale Mears won at Michigan he has had a grand total of 6 Top 5s. Gordon had 16 alone last year. Now, in case I didn't make this clear the first time, I'm not defending Gordon. He is way too content with Top 5 finishes. That fire for wins just isn't there anymore (I don't mean to start a whole new debate with this one). He simply has nothing left to prove. Unless he gets to 7 championships (highly unlikey), or 105 wins (everyone has pretty much conceded he'll pass Cale, Darrell, and Bobby eventually) he really can't advance his legacy any further and I think that is what drove him in the past. It wasn't so much about being the best he can be, it is about being the best ever. Dale Mears, on the other hand, has everything to prove. He has to prove he can win ONE championship. He has to prove he can win often and that 2004 wasn't a fluke. He has to prove he can win a points paying plate race without DEI's invincible equipment they had on those tracks from '01 to '04. And his collapse over the past year and a ahlf has been stunning. His '08 cha$e performance ranks alongside Brian Vickers in '09, Denny Hamlin in '07 and Jeremy Mayfield in '04 and '05 as the worst ever. And 25th in the points last year speaks for itself. Gordon "struggles" in '05 and wins 4 races and finishes 11th in points. He "struggled" in '08 going winless but still finishing Top 10 in points. Yes, Dale Mears started off strong in '08, but after the first 1/3 of that season, yuck!!!! 311. Sean posted: 03.11.2010 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's not forget that Junior's one win in the period was controversial in that NASCAR turned a blind eye to him passing the pace car several times on the last caution as a result of him shutting his car off to save fuel. Most sanctioning bodies would penalize somebody for passing the pace car... I think Junior should have been black-flagged, and Kasey Kahne should have won that race. At least Gordon's win at Texas was legitimate. 312. 18fan posted: 03.11.2010 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Gordon's Texas win came as he had to hold of the 48 and had one of the best cars. Junior's was a fuel mileage win at Michigan with a top 10 car at best. 313. Bronco posted: 03.11.2010 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you can't see that Jeff has done much better than Dale Mears over the past 2 years, I don't know what to tell you. Yes they have the same number of wins, but since Dale Mears won at Michigan he has had a grand total of 6 Top 5s. Gordon had 16 alone last year." Ok, since we're playing the stats game, Dale Jr has 18 wins and 6500 laps led compared with Casey's 1 win and 400 laps led. He had 6 engine DNFs in 2007 alone and still managed to lead more laps than Casey has his whole career. And let's not bring up the Busch series either, since I think Dale Jr has him covered there too. "He has to prove he can win a points paying plate race without DEI's invincible equipment they had on those tracks from '01 to '04." He doesn't have to win another plate race to prove that he isn't one of the best RP racers of his generation. 7 Cup wins, 5 Busch wins and some exhbition race wins don't come just out of having "invincible equipment", you have to have a driver that knows what to do with good equipment. You could have put Eric McClure or John Wrecks Weekly in the #8, start them on the pole and they would lose the draft by lap 20. I'm not a dumb prick like Cfob that starts crying everytime someone pokes fun at his favorite driver's name, so if calling Dale Jr "Dale Mears" makes you sleep better at night, then go for it. But just know that it makes no sense to do so. 314. Mike posted: 03.11.2010 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's obvious Jeff Gordon doesn't have the fire to win anymore. That shows when he defends a crew chief for making what will probably be the worst pit call of the year. 315. Anonymous posted: 03.11.2010 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Let's not forget that Junior's one win in the period was controversial in that NASCAR turned a blind eye to him passing the pace car several times on the last caution as a result of him shutting his car off to save fuel. Most sanctioning bodies would penalize somebody for passing the pace car... I think Junior should have been black-flagged, and Kasey Kahne should have won that race. At least Gordon's win at Texas was legitimate." Then Dale Sr shoulda won the 99 Pepsi 400 since Jarrett passed the pace car several times and I think even took the checkered in front of it. 316. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.11.2010 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, NASCAR has been pretty consistent when it comes to that, and will allow a driver to do that a few times before telling them to stop. Mike, agreed. Its sickening seeing fans clamor for one thing, but when NASCAR institutes it, they want yet something completley opposite of it 317. Sean posted: 03.11.2010 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Then Dale Sr shoulda won the 99 Pepsi 400 since Jarrett passed the pace car several times and I think even took the checkered in front of it." I agree with that too. You don't pass the pace car. It's more relevant in Junior's case because that is his only win in the last four seasons, while Jarrett was winning all over the place in that era... 318. Frank posted: 03.12.2010 - 6:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cfob, I repeat question from #289. What radio show you host? How can I listen to it? =You could have put Eric McClure or John Wrecks Weekly in the #8, start them on the pole and they would lose the draft by lap 20.= False. Mikey won 4 races in similar to #8 car. He was near nobody at almost every other type of race. Oh by the way if Dale Mears was in #09 car at last year's Talladega he should be far away from contention for the win. 319. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.12.2010 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The difference: Dale Mears has talent, Casey doesn't. He should be way ahead. 320. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 03.12.2010 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Haha, wow. I'm now back after not having my laptop since last Friday. I don't have anything else to say about the Brad/Carl incident that hasn't already been said other than I am glad that Brad walked away. I hate to think what might have happened if this were a decade ago. However, if NASCAR didn't suspend David Gilliland after Texas in '08 for intentionally wrecking JPM then I don't think Carl should be suspended either. We see this stuff happen almost every week; only this time it got way out of control. 321. 12345Dude posted: 03.12.2010 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've listend and read a lot of opinions on this whole Keselowski Edwards thing. And most people, aren't making a big deal about it. Atleast not as much, as on here. 322. Cfob posted: 03.12.2010 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm not a dumb prick like Cfob that starts crying everytime someone pokes fun at his favorite driver's name, so if calling Dale Jr "Dale Mears" makes you sleep better at night, then go for it. But just know that it makes no sense to do so." Meh. Still better than being a Twitter Whore. "Cfob, I repeat question from #289. What radio show you host? How can I listen to it?" Dixie Motor Speedway radio hour. It can be accessed from the Dixie Motor Speedway website. Sorry for missing your question the first time. 323. Cfob posted: 03.12.2010 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and for the record, I don't "hate" Bronco. For me to hate him, he'd actually have to be worth mustering up the energy to "hate." I just think he's kind of dumb, and enjoy pointing it out as often as I can. So really, he's more entertainment than anything. 324. Talon64 posted: 03.12.2010 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Meh. Still better than being a Twitter Whore." Hey, there's nothing wrong with being a Twitter whore. :P btw denny hamlin on twitter: "what kesi doesnt realize is that in order to do the best job that he can on the racetrack. He HAS to have the respect of the other drivers" "Just say.. sorry.. i f'd up.. just once. it goes a long way. dont counter with tuff luck bud, thats just the way i race?" Carl went above and far, far, far, far, far beyond to teach Keselowski a lesson. I hope the both of them learn something, Carl that "aw shucks" won't let you get away with everything and that he needs to quit going off the handle; and Keselowski that driving balls out all the time won't do yourself any favors. Atlanta wasn't an example of that but if you're someone like Mark Martin or Jimmie Johnson who races with respect then you're going to get the benefit of the doubt in those cases, something Keselowski hasn't earned yet. Jeff Burton said it best in an article, just in case people say it's only guys like Hamlin or Edwards who have a problem with him: "Brad has got to learn that he doesn't need to prove to the world that he's a tough guy. He's made the decision that he's not going to cut anybody any slack. He's made the decision that he's going to race aggressively all the time. Those are the decisions he's made, and he's going to have to live with the consequences of that. There' nothing wrong with giving a little bit, and there's nothing wrong with taking a little bit. But if you're going to only take, then you're going to come out of the short end of the stick more times than not." BTW This is pretty much only Keselowski's 3rd year in NASCAR (ran low budget stuff for couple years before) while Carl's in his 8th (two years in Trucks, 6 years in Nationwide/Cup). You can excuse Keselowski somewhat based on lack of experience but what's Carl's excuse? If Keselowski changes for the better because of this then it'll just make Carl look even worse. 325. Bronco posted: 03.12.2010 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Meh. Still better than being a Twitter Whore." Oh, and for the record I have no interest whatsoever in Twitter and didn't even know what it was until a few months ago. However, an article on Frontstretch.com (you know, the same folks who sponsor this age) mentioned what some other drivers thought of the incident which is why I mentioned it earlier. As you would say, oops? "However, if NASCAR didn't suspend David Gilliland after Texas in '08 for intentionally wrecking JPM then I don't think Carl should be suspended either." That's exactly right. A head on crash into the wall at Texas is just as dangerous as flying through the air and smashing the wall A-pillar first. If David wasn't suspended then Carl shouldn't have been either. 326. Smokefan05 posted: 03.12.2010 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've listend and read a lot of opinions on this whole Keselowski Edwards thing. And most people, aren't making a big deal about it. Atleast not as much, as on here." Go too the speed boards, it's like a cancer over there. There are like 15 threads on this issue. Talon and i are members. (for better or worse) :P "Hey, there's nothing wrong with being a Twitter whore. :P" Yeah you would know. >:D 327. Cfob posted: 03.12.2010 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh, and for the record I have no interest whatsoever in Twitter and didn't even know what it was until a few months ago. However, an article on Frontstretch.com (you know, the same folks who sponsor this age) mentioned what some other drivers thought of the incident which is why I mentioned it earlier. As you would say, oops?" Well hey, I was wrong about Twitter, but you're still a douche bag. So who REALLY wins that one? 328. 18fan posted: 03.12.2010 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only Michael Waltrip's driver page has more comments than this race. 329. Bronco posted: 03.12.2010 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Only Michael Waltrip's driver page has more comments than this race." I guess you haven't seen Dale Earnhardt Jr's driver page then. 330. Cfob posted: 03.13.2010 - 3:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's the same story with Kez, who is also very talented but gets a good chunk of attention because he's another Dale Jr protege." Anyone got a clue who wrote that? 331. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.13.2010 - 4:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, the Dale Jr page has fewer than Mikey's page (416 to Mikey's 499 as of 4:24am Eastern 3/13/2010) 332. Spen posted: 03.13.2010 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But it does have more than this race. 333. Kit posted: 03.13.2010 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That fire for wins just isn't there anymore (I don't mean to start a whole new debate with this one). He simply has nothing left to prove. Unless he gets to 7 championships (highly unlikey), or 105 wins (everyone has pretty much conceded he'll pass Cale, Darrell, and Bobby eventually) he really can't advance his legacy any further and I think that is what drove him in the past. It wasn't so much about being the best he can be, it is about being the best ever." I don't think Gordon is a fan of the Cha$e but he has no reason to say so publicly. It really robbed him a chance to tie Dale Earnhardt at seven championships, which he would have taken seriously if the old points system were still in place. He has similar equipment to the #48 and I don't think Johnson is that much better than Gordon right now... Johnson just has the fire that Gordon lacks. So yes, he pretty much has nothing left to prove. 334. Kit posted: 03.13.2010 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "From what I've seen you write in Jr's driver page, it sounds as though his heart isn't in it either. In fact, I think you even mentioned that once on the page (I'm honestly too lazy to search through a hundred-something comments at the moment)." I've said it before, Dale Mears has the same problem as Michael Jackson: they both had very domineering fathers which seemed to have intimidated them through adulthood. Not saying that Dale Earnhardt was ever disrespectful to Dale Jr. but Earnhardt Sr. was a man's man and I think that just intimidated Junior. Maturity wise, Dale Jr. seems like he's trapped as a teenager. Being with the best team in the sport seems to have scared him shitless because he knows he HAS to perform. It was easier for him with a fringe team like DEI with a crew chief who was busting his ass like a father. Dale Jr. seems to be crippled as a Cup driver without some sort of father figure guiding him. 335. Kit posted: 03.13.2010 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Honestly can anyone say that when JPM started Nascar that he would actually be competitive in the top 5 and top 10? No way. He has did a lot better than anyone thought he would. Most people thought Chip was an idiot for bringing him in. He just rubs people the wrong way and prejudiced plays a part as well." There's a huge difference between doing better than what anyone expected and being the best driver in the world. To say that he's the best driver in the world is to say that he's better than Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson (who I don't think is that great but whatever). That's kind of hard to do considering how domineering Gordon has been in Cup. So far, JPM is better known for some altercations he has had with Kevin Harvick and Tony Stewart than for being a winning driver in Cup. He's won one road course race that you'd expect an open wheel driver to have an advantage in. Whatever he's done that's great in Cup is being overshadowed by the opportunities he didn't take advantage of, like the Brickyard race last season. I'm going on a stretch to say that I think Jeff Gordon could have achieved about as much as JPM has in the open wheel series that JPM has raced in. As far as an open wheel driver who came to Cup, Tim Richmond still has him beat by a mile. Also, the thing is, I don't think anyone really gives a shit who the best driver in the world is. There's not that many people who watch every single form of auto racing. There are WAY more people who watch the particular series that they like (NASCAR, IRL, F1, etc.) and don't really follow anything else. It's like Bo Jackson back in the day... you could say that he was the greatest athlete at the time, but nobody gave a shit. They were either interested in Bo Jackson as the football player or Bo Jackson as the baseball player. I liked him as a running back but didn't really give a shit about his baseball career myself. 336. Smokefan05 posted: 03.13.2010 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So yes, he pretty much has nothing left to prove." Then shouldn't Jeff just retire? I get why he wants too race for 5-6 more years. Because he wants his childern too understand what he did for a living and what impact he has had on NASCAR. But Jeff doesn't have the fire anymore, i think he WANTS too win but without the fire of the 90's JG is holding him back. So by the time his "5-6 years" are up he'll be 43 or 44 years old. I wounder if his back handle it. He isn't a young man anymore. But for all i know he could go on another 2007 run again. But as time passes i don't see it happening. 337. Anonymous posted: 03.13.2010 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smokefan05, I hate to be a nitpicking jackass, but can you please learn the difference between "to" and "too"?! You've made that mistake probably 100 times in your posts, and it makes you sound like an 8 year old. 338. Red posted: 03.13.2010 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, the thing is, I don't think anyone really gives a shit who the best driver in the world is." I totally agree. And since most drivers never have the opportunity to prove themselves in the all various racing series around the world, it's not like we could answer this question anyway. 339. Smokefan05 posted: 03.13.2010 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Smokefan05, I hate to be a nitpicking jackass, but can you please learn the difference between "to" and "too"?! You've made that mistake probably 100 times in your posts, and it makes you sound like an 8 year old." Oh great the English police has come arrest me. I'm going too get into a agruement with you, you don't like the way i spell or pronounce things, then just ignore my posts completely. This isn't the place for that kind of stuff, we talking RACING, not english skills. As long as peole can understand my posts i really don't care how i write on here. But since you brought it to light, i'll correct my mistakes just too make you happy. 340. Bronco posted: 03.13.2010 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm going too get into a agruement with you, you don't like the way i spell or pronounce things, then just ignore my posts completely." "But since you brought it to light, i'll correct my mistakes just too make you happy." Lol, you just did it again. BTW, it's probably in your best interest to learn what the difference is, not for the sake of this forum but to prevent yourself from looking stupid on any pieces of writing that your produce in the future. 341. Anonymous posted: 03.14.2010 - 12:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) bronco your not are grammer teacher your a idiot too talk about stuff like those things here it dose not matter on teh internets!!!!!111 342. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.14.2010 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, it might be in your best interest to learn the meaning of "sarcasm" and "intentional irony" and "I'm going to intentionally break every grammar rule I can in this post just to show that I could give two shits less about what people who are worried about minor grammar mistakes think". 343. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.14.2010 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yes, the "greatest driver in the world" thing is a pile of crap. Unless every single driver gets to try to make a serious run at the top level of every discipline of racing, then you can't make a determination. Sports Illustrated named Roger Federer, a tennis player, the Athlete of the Decade. Now yes, tennis requires a very specific set of athletic abilities, but if you put him on a football field he would get crushed. If you put any football player on a tennis court, they would probably hit every ball they got to into the 47th row of the grandstands and never get a single point. It's apples to oranges. "As far as an open wheel driver who came to Cup, Tim Richmond still has him beat by a mile." That's the one everyone forgets about. Most people call Jeff the first to break the barrier of open wheelers into stock cars, or Tony Stewart for being the first to come from full fledged Indy Racing to be successful in NASCAR. Yet they made a movie called Days of Thunder based on Tim Richmond's transition into stock cars from open wheel that completed production before Jeff's first stock car start and while Tony was still a pimply faced skinny go kart driver. Remember, Tim won rookie of year at the Indy 500 one year. Imagine if Tim was given a ride like the #20 car as a rookie, and didn't have to waste 5 years driving for reams like JD Stacy and a young Blue Max team, each of which had some sort of mechanical failure every other race (the same thing that held Earnhardt's career back from '81 to '85). Holy shit!! 344. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.14.2010 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I liked him as a running back but didn't really give a shit about his baseball career myself." I liked him running over that punk Brian Bosworth and embarrassing him on MNF. 345. Dodge posted: 03.15.2010 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The people that complain about spelling or grammar need to find better things to complain about. You are not teachers or if so, we are not students in your classroom. 346. I Seize the Day posted: 03.15.2010 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You want to know how to put racing back into the drivers hands and increase ratings? Its simple...let the drivers drive drunk. 347. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.15.2010 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Try saying that five times fast :P 348. Ryan posted: 03.16.2010 - 8:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I liked him running over that punk Brian Bosworth and embarrassing him on MNF." Yeah, that was awesome. The Boz never was the same after that. 349. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.17.2010 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YES!!!! Only one more time will we have to look at that stupid, ugly ass wing on these cars in a race. After this weekend's race at Bristol, it is GONE!!!! It made its first unwanted appearance in our lives at the Spring Bristol race in 2007. 3 years later to the race it will make its last stop. God, that thing was tacky!! The best news for me is that the spoiler will be back at Martinsville. Since the two races at MVille are the only races I attend in person, it will be the first time since October 2006 that will get to go to a Cup race and not have to see that ugly piece of shit!!! Now is this the be all, end all for the Car of Sorrow's problems? Of course not. Now they need to get rid of that not-quite-as ugly splitter. Luckily it doesn't stick out as bad as that white trash spoiler. Obviously the safety advancements for the COT are great, but the racing has been mostly crap ever since. Hopefully this is the first of many steps to fixing the car. 350. Talon64 posted: 03.18.2010 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It'd be fitting if Kyle Busch won this weekend; he won at Bristol to start the wing and then wins at Bristol to end the wing. Here's the list of winners with the wing; the 16 races in 2007, all of 2008 and 2009 and the first 4 races of 2010: Johnson 21 Kyle Busch 13 Edwards 10 Hamlin 6 Tony Stewart 6 Mark Martin 5 Jeff Gordon 4 Kurt Busch 4 Kasey Kahne 4 Matt Kenseth 2 Jamie McMurray 2 Clint Bowyer 2 Greg Biffle 2 Jeff Burton 2 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1 Martin Truex Jr. 1 Juan Pablo Montoya 1 Brad Keselowski 1 Joey Logano 1 Ryan Newman 1 David Reutimann 1 Brian Vickers 1 22 different winners in 92 races. Jimmie Johnson won 22.8% of the races with the wing. Johnson, Kyle Busch, Hamlin and Stewart are the only 4 drivers to win with the wing in 2007, 2008 and 2009 but Johnson might be the only one to win with the wing in all 4 seasons it was run. 351. Smokefan05 posted: 03.18.2010 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but the racing has been mostly crap ever since." Not too start another pissing match but if the racing is 'crap' then why watch it? It's your personal opinion and that is fine but i usually ask that question too most people who view the racing as 'crap.' Entertainment is the eye to the person viewing i guess. 352. Bronco posted: 03.18.2010 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talon, Carl won 2 races in 2007 with the wing, and 9 in 2008 so that makes 11 total. 353. DaleJrFan18 posted: 03.19.2010 - 11:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It'd be fitting if Kyle Busch won this weekend; he won at Bristol to start the wing and then wins at Bristol to end the wing." It would be...but I hope he doesn't, unless he passed JJ for the win. 354. Talon64 posted: 03.19.2010 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Talon, Carl won 2 races in 2007 with the wing, and 9 in 2008 so that makes 11 total." yep you're right, I missed Bristol. Also Joey Logano just won his first career pole and at Bristol no less. Cali and Vegas weren't flukes, he's got a good shot at making the Chase and getting a couple wins this season. 355. Talon64 posted: 03.19.2010 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) oh man throw Harvick into the Carl/Brad mix too. Harvick's said in the past that Carl's fake and reiterated that on his twitter account and on the radio recently. At Bristol Harvick addressed his comments: "As far as the fake comment, I mean, you can't be the nice guy; you can't be the bad guy and you can't be the bully. So&.that is just how I feel about that." And Carl's response? ??I have absolutely no respect for Kevin Harvick,? Edwards said Friday before practice at Bristol Motor Speedway. ??I think he??s a bad person. That??s my opinion. I??ve told him that. We??ve had our deal before and his actions through that interaction were so devious and underhanded and cowardly that, it??s like, I just have no respect for him. ??? When people like that question me, it makes me feel better because if those people were lined up patting me on the back I??d be on the wrong side of what??s right and wrong. And I truly believe that.? The interaction: "Edwards and Harvick got into a physical confrontation in 2008 after Harvick criticized Edwards for causing a wreck at Talladega. After Harvick criticized Edwards on TV at Talladega, Edwards left him a nasty note, which was leaked to the media. Edwards then confronted Harvick in the garage at Charlotte Motor Speedway, leading to an altercation that ended with Edwards grabbing Harvick around the throat." I guess the devious, underhanded and cowardly part was the note being leaked to the media. Whether it was Harvick or his people who did it or not I forget. But leaving a note like that in the guy's plane doesn't make you a saint either. And neither does getting into a physical confrontation with them later. It's the kettle calling the grey pot black and Harvick's 100% right on Carl. 356. I Seize the Day posted: 03.19.2010 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I firmly believe Carl is on roids...say what you will about the drug policy, but it wouldnt surprise me at all 357. Kit posted: 03.20.2010 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really could not care less about these little boys arguing with each other. Give me a break. For the one being wrecked, Keselowski really cleaned his hands of the situation. Good for him. 358. Fred Phelps posted: 03.23.2010 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JOHNSON LOST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! 359. 18fan posted: 04.20.2010 - 2:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3 drivers got 170 points in this race. Kenseth for finishing second and not leading, Montoya for leading 3 laps and finishing 3rd, and Kahne for leading the most laps and finishing 4th. 360. Madison posted: 06.26.2010 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) These comments amaze me. First off, BK didn't cause the crash at Talladega. Carl did. He even said he did. I don't remember what happened earlier on in the race, so I'm not gonna say anything. BK is an aggressive driver. No doubt. But when you're in a race car, you don't see the crash. Your spotter says who did it, and Carl knows BK's reputation. No kidding he would be out for revenge.Granted, he could have done it the week after. But the opportunity presented itself then. I'd do it, you'd do it, anyone would. Had BK just spun, Carl would just get a no no. But he flipped, so now half of America is (well, was) pissed at Edwards. 361. matthew posted: 07.23.2010 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brads hardest crash since 2008 at Cali. 362. Steve.M posted: 08.10.2010 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy crap 361 comments? gezz Anyway its offical now, this is the last spring race at Atlanta 363. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 09.05.2010 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay. Everyone should stop ** here about how Brad did or didn't have it coming, and look at the BIGGER picture of things. NASCAR said 'Boy's, have at them!' And so, Edwards took his gloves off and punched the kid in the face. Same thing as Nashville later this year. Every single view of the whole Brad vs Carl thing has been a deliberate cause. Every one. At talladega, 2009, You can see Brad turning the wheel up and into Carl's rear bumper. Granted, he wasn't trying to kill Carl, or send him airborne. He probably was going to just put him into the grass. Then Daytona came in Nationwide series here in 2010. Dear friends, Brad hit Carl and it caused a chain reaction that cause the first Nationwide flip in that event since 2000 (Micheal Waltrip) Then this race. We can't exactly tell rather or not Carl came down on brad, or he hit him, but it does look like the 12 hit the 99. And so, Edwards severely did the kid in. Then we skip to Nashville. Only the Blindest of Nascar viewers would claim that Brad was only Nudging Carl. IT was definitely intentional, so Carl Retaliated, and put the kid in the wall! We can't have kids running around thinking they can be the next Dale E. Sr. The current cars, although extremely safe, can still be lethal. Basically, we need Drivers, and NASCAR themselves, to put up-and-coming drivers from being aggressive. 364. Anny posted: 09.08.2010 - 12:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 363: What are you smoking? What you wrote about Talladega was totally wrong. 365. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 09.19.2010 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1st up, to young to smoke. 2nd up, are you trying to figure out why i am saying this, or did i not make my thesis clear enough? 3rd up, i don't like either driver. But i'd prefer Edwards over Brad K. 366. austin posted: 01.26.2011 - 7:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scott Slow has as many points as Jeff Gordon after 4 races. 367. Brad posted: 07.18.2011 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This will go down as the final Spring Race in Atlanta. Starting in 2011 AMS will only get date and that's on Labor Day Weekend. 368. Daniel posted: 05.21.2012 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #09 Aric Almirola, #46 Terry Cook, #90 Casey Mears Out using fastest 34: #26 Boris Said, #34 Travis Kvapil, #37 Kevin Conway 369. Scott Bonin posted: 05.06.2013 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scott Speeds only non restrictor plate top 10 finish to date. 370. Anthony posted: 08.20.2013 - 1:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3rd longest race in NASCAR history after the Coke 600 normally is and the 2011 Coke 600 371. Anthony posted: 06.22.2014 - 6:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lets compare the career paths of the two drivers following this race: Brad - gets the #2 car for the rest of his career and wins Pocono after breaking his ankle, then wins 2012 championship Carl - loses 2011 championship on a tiebreaker, struggles to win anything now 372. ... posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty Pointless to point this out but, Last race for Bill Elliot to lead a lap. 373. someone posted: 10.24.2014 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) brad had it coming! it was 40 laps into the race... there's no sense racing like an idiot 40 laps into the race, you'll pass 'em eventually! this race proved why carls my favorite driver!!! 374. 88&4Fan posted: 09.02.2015 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boris Said's last oval race in the cup series. 375. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.13.2015 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Everyone on this page lost all sanity when arguing about this. First, Edwards should have waited until Bristol to pay him back. That was a bonehead move to do it 150 laps down, and Atlanta is probably the worst track for that. The wreck earlier in the race wasn't Brad's fault. But man, the constant praise over Keselowski on this site was absolutely ridiculous. You can say that Edwards tried to block Brad at Talladega, but Brad turned to the right, most likely to spin him out, but strange physics happened and sent Edwards into the fence almost killing dozens of people. But why does Keselowski get a free pass for it and not Edwards? Oh right, because it's your guys' hero. Just like Talladega, this was another example of strange physics (and the cars flipping over was neither of the drivers' fault) that probably has never happened at Atlanta before, and Edwards was only trying to spin him, even though the exact opposite happened. And with the boys have at it rule and with Brad having run ins with several other drivers, this was pretty much inevitable. And I wonder if any of the posters would have changed their mind after all of the controversy with Brad in 2014... 376. Braindead Zombie posted: 03.12.2016 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The paint scheme that AJ Allmendinger debuted in I believe this race (and ended up becoming his main paint scheme for the rest of the season) is one of the ugliest of all-time IMO. 377. Braindead Zombie posted: 04.28.2016 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The 99 has turned over Brad Keselowski!" - Mike Joy "AND WE HAVE A CAUTION!" - Larry Mac 378. Bodyblower posted: 03.22.2020 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnny Sauter and the 35 withdrew. 379. Onion posted: 03.24.2020 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reutimann was not using the usual Aaron's Dream Machine colors in this race. Speed also had a special scheme. Sponsor update: #00 - Aaron's/Mitsubishi Electric #82 - Red Bull Energy Shot 380. Iamthedebris posted: 04.11.2020 - 7:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I used to not think much of this wreck, until taking into consideration Ryan Newman's flip at Talladega the year earlier. Both car's roof' s caved in when they hit the wall/racetrack, and to me, proved the ineffectiveness of the COT' s roof protection(for the time being. Not that the rest of the car wasn't safe, oh yes it was. McDowell' s Texas flip proved the safety, just not on the roof). 381. Jimmie4life posted: 12.09.2020 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the race where I began to hate Carl Edwards. It only lasted for about a year, but anytime Carl showed up on screen, I couldn't stand to watch him. Intentionally causing Keselowski to crash from an incident that happened almost a year previously, and was not intentional is silly, and that Gateway incident was also comical, too. Just an obscure time for Edwards to go from a big fan of, to absolutely despise, back to a fan of. 382. Pacer posted: 12.09.2020 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @381 Edwards flipping Keselowski here wasn't totally a payback for Talladega the year before but moreso retalitation for the wreck the two had with Joey Logano early in this one that ruined Carl's day. 383. Rich posted: 12.15.2020 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds and Darrell Waltrip were the commentators. Dr. Dick Berggren, Steve Byrnes, Matt Yocum and Krista Voda were the pit road reporters. Chris Myers and Jeff Hammond were in the Hollywood hotel. 384. Danny posted: 12.19.2020 - 7:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race had 27 cars on the lead lap the most in a fully completed race at Atlanta Motor Speedway. The 1998 Fall race had 31 lead lap finishers but that race was shortened due to rain plus a curfew. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: