|| *Comments on the 2010 Coke Zero 400 Powered by Coca-Cola:* View the most recent comment <#136> | Post a comment <#post> 1. KevinHarvickFan29 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Greatest race of all-time. Period. 2. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Incredible but a wild race, great runs for Bliss, Sorenson, STEVE PARK (first race since 2003), KEVIN CONWAY of all people! Did well, but I felt semi-bad for Park, I thought he was going to finish in the top 10. 3. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race was a wreckfest. Kevin Conway might have gotten his best career finish in this race. Steve Park raced in cup for the first time since 2003. Last race before Daytona gets paved. 4. KevinHarvickFan29 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Steve Park finished 13th in his first Sprint Cup race since 2003. Great runs for Dale Earnhardt Jr, Reed Sorenson, Mike Bliss, Scott Speed, Steve Park, Robby Gordon, Kevin Conway, Bobby Labonte and JJ Yeley. If it was not for bad luck I strongly believe Hornish would have won. And a big congrats to Kevin Harvick!! Oh, and my least favorite driver finished 31st!! What a great race!! 5. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Conways best finish prior to this race was 26th. he finished 24th. LOL 6. KevinHarvickONLYwinsONplateTRACKS posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) .....snooze fest until chaos. RCR teammates chopping up the field to secure a win. 33 wrecks again 7. KevinHarvickONLYwinsONplateTRACKS posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Conway 14th not 24th....... 8. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 14th sorry 9. KevinHarvickFan29 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Kevin Harvick wins again on a plate track!!! Dale Jr. comes home 4th in a shitty car. Steve Park finishes 13th in his first Sprint Cup race since 2003. Oh, and my least favorite driver (Jimmie Johnson) finishes 31st! What a great race! 10. WillG_46 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr's starting to get on a roll, and it's happening when it counts. 11. New 14&88 Fan posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow what a wreckfest..anyways great win Harvick this gives RCR a sweep of the Nwide and Cup events.Good finishes for Sorenson, Bliss, Steve Park in the Richie Evens tribute car and believe it or not Kevin Conway gets his career best finish 12. Smokefan05 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Steve Park. What can you say? He did a helluva job tonight. Tommy Baldwin should put him in for Tally. Mike Bliss: Gets another top 10 at a plate track. Scott Speed: playied it right and did well. Robby Gordon: For dodging 3 wrecks. Kevin Conway: Um, got luck? Reed Sorenson: For going a fine job. I'll admit that most of the race was well driven but then as per plate racing all heck breaks loose. The last wreck could have been avioded if heads where used instead of gas pedals. A decent race. 13. petty43 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) why do people care so much about bliss conway and other s and p teams. the only reason they finished that high was because of all the huge wrecks. o well wish gordon or burton would have won but at least kyle did not win. man JPM is a world class ass bag, just a total no talent ass clown he and sam hornish both. thats not saying much for open wheel drivers, i dont think any of them are any good. 14. KevinHarvickFan29 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) SmokeFan05, Baldwin should put Park in for the rest of the year full time! 15. Neal posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Attrition was the name of the game. Without it Conway, Park, Speed, Bliss and Jr wouldn't have been in the Top 25 let alone the Top 15. Jr even all but admitted it. Kyle's post-crash interview is a prime example of why he's so reviled. It's ok to be upset about wrecking out with a dominant car, but you cross the line when you act as if you're above doing the interview and are dismissive and condescending to the reporter. He did everything but roll his eyes. THAT is what makes him an arrogant little prick. 16. gordi101 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! 17. petty43 posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) anyone else find the bobby labonte "gentleman start your engines" call to be akward 18. #2 fan posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) kurt busch wrecks 3 times and finishes 7th harvick can only win plate races.... the #3 won both races this weekend kyle busch wrecks himself 2 years in a row in this race sam hornish wrecked for the 50th time this year carl edwards took out another penske car jeff gordon will get 15 more top 3 finishes this year but wont win 19. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:28 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wait, that has to be some kind of mistake, Kevin Conway finishing in the Top 15! X-D 20. potatosalad48 posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) happy to see Steve Park do well in his return. And Kevin Conway 14th. WTF?! 21. RLewis9 posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin Harvick, didn't have a great car but he put himself in position to win. His last three victories have been restrictor plate wins, all over a four year span. Kasey Kahne and Dale Earnhardt, Jr. really didn't have top 5 runs, but they stayed out of trouble and got the finishes. Kurt Busch finished 7th despite wrecking multiple times. Even after his first crash, he drove all the way to the front and had a shot at winning before Hornish spun him out, he then came from 16th to 7th in two laps. Really impressive runs for Reed Sorenson (8th), Mike Bliss (9th), Scott Speed (10th), Robby Gordon (12th), Steve Park (13th), Kevin Conway (14th), Bobby Labonte (16th), and JJ Yeley (19th). 22. Ryan posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You just knew Harvick was going to win on that last restart. It's unforunate for him that he is going to probably be behind in the points standings because of the Chase format. No way in hell Dale Jr. should have finished 4th. He was garbage all night. 23. Bronco posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unbelievably strong run out of Hornish, I would never have expected him to hold the lead for as long as he did, much less run with the lead pack. Too bad he ran out of talent near the end, which cost Bowyer a win and a ton of points. Dale Jr takes advantage of the massive wreck to take over a cha$e spot, despite having a terrible car during the race. Second straight RP win for Harvick, both coming with the spoiler, and third straight RP win for the ECR engines, and fourth straight RP race with a GWC finish. Also the fourth straight crash related DNF for Newman at RP tracks, and third straight RP race DNF for Marcos Ambrose and Jimmie Johnson. Kevin Conway unbelievably gets his best career finish in his Daytona debut, the same way he scored his previous best finish of 27th at Texas. Guess being that much slower than everyone else does have its benefits. His 14th place result was also the best ever finish for a FRM car in the Cup series!!! Mike Bliss picks up the best finish for a TRG car in Cup, and it is his second straight RP top 10. Steve Park comes out of a 7 year Cup absence to finish 13th, which is better than he did the last time he raced at Daytona when he won the pole. It is also the best finish for TBR in Cup. Reed Sorenson got turned around in the Huge One, yet still gets a top 10. JJ Yeley also gets the best finish for the 46 team despite blowing a tire. Can't wait to hear all the Kevin Harvick/Michael Waltrip comparisons. 24. NewJack posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The scariest fact.. Conway's 14th is the best finish ever for Bob Jenkins as a car owner. (I think FRM had a 7th at Daytona with Lepage, but John Carter was credited as the owner back when they were together). Then again, Park's 13th for Tommy Baldwin was TBR's best finish in the Cup series, awesome job there, hopefully like someone else said he gets a shot at Dega (or even some other courses). 25. Mike posted: 07.04.2010 - 3:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wild race. 'Nuff said 26. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2010 - 9:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only the second time this year that Conway has even finished on the lead lap. 27. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2010 - 9:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was one of the worst driving displays from a field I've ever seen in a top level Series. When the guy who finishes 4th spends his entire post race interview trashing his car and team and apologizing for running so bad, that says a lot. Kyle Busch had a great car until he did his normal deal of weaving all over the track and across JPM's nose. Then he tried to say Juan "messed with the air and sucked him into cutting straight across his nose". As I've said before, this "New Kyle" is total crap. You know how I feel about JPM, but that wreck was 0% his fault. Yet another potential win Kyle costs himself. Matt Kenseth gets save of the year. David Ragan just loses it and takes out Jamie and Truex. He has no business being in a top car (although Ford and RFR are in the crapper right now, the fact that Matt, Greg, and Carl are in the Top 12 speaks to their incredible talent). Dinger loses it and wrecks. Kasey knocks somebody into Kurt, who does an incredible save himself, meanwhile Brad is bump drafting Reed while getting bump drafted by JPM which leads to the giant wreck. This is why JJ dominates. Again, I think he is a great RACER, but his competition is totally incompetent. That is why he has 4 (soon to be 5) straight titles and 50+ wins. He is the only talented AND more than somewhat smart AND focused driver in good equipment right now. I know he wrecked in this one, but that is because he is a bad plate driver, which puts him back where all the wrecks happen. It NASCAR truly wants to "Jimmie-proof" the cha$e, they need to put this race in the cha$e, then give Daytona a 3rd date and put in the cha$e also. Then they need to move Talladega's Spring race to the final 10. Then they need to put both Michigan and Califronia races in the cha$e and make the cars run restrictor plates there. Then, for the final two races, ISC needs to build another 2.5 mile high banked tri-oval and give it two races in the cha$e. Maybe then JJ won't win the Cup. Congrats to the RCR organization. All 3 cars were STOUT all night. That allowed them to be out front of all the crap. They are unquestionably the best plate organization right now. If they could just do that at the other tracks. Somebody said they are waiting for the Harvick/Drunktrip comparisons. I'm gonna compare the entire RCR organization to DEI from '01-'03. Extremely strong on plate tracks, rarely a contender elsewhere with only a few challenges which they usually take themselves out of. This won't work well in the cha$e. 28. RaceFanX posted: 07.04.2010 - 9:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Park had a Richie Evans throwback paintjob, complete with a painted on engine on the hood and decal bars down the side to make his Cup car closer resemble Evans modified. The Big One happened late and eliminated much of the field in the closing laps. Mark Martin was among those involved and had a pretty big fire on pit road afterward. Defending race winner Tony Stewart was also knocked out. Kyle Busch wrecked while leading, the nature of drafting caused him to get into Juan Pablo Montoya and it sent the Interstate #18 head-on into the backstretch wall. Busch was angry, but admitted it was a racing deal later. 29. Neal posted: 07.04.2010 - 10:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Dinger had better watch it or he'll be starting and parking soon. After his wreck he got into it with Richard Petty in the garage area, turned his back, and walked away from him. 30. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2010 - 10:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "After his wreck he got into it with Richard Petty in the garage area, turned his back, and walked away from him." You don't do that to Richard Petty. I don't care who you are. When Richard speaks, you listen. I don't care if he calls you gay, says your Mom is a whore, then bangs your sister on the hood of your car (which he would never do), you don't do that. 31. Matthew Tesfaye posted: 07.04.2010 - 10:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeley dodged wrecks as well, despite having tire issue early in the race. He finished 19th sport, best finish for the Dusty Whitney group. 32. dUDE gUY posted: 07.04.2010 - 11:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Despite having no wins so far this year, Jeff Gordon leads all drivers in top-fives with 9, one more than both Kevin Harvick and Jimmie Johnson have. 33. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2010 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to both Jeff and Kasey for handing the win to Harvick on the restart. Kahne always seems to help out a-holes get a win over him. You have a good story in the NWS series Sat. then it's back to the same crap the next race in NASCAR. 34. Timmy Quivy posted: 07.04.2010 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Comment #1: I agree. I have watched NASCAR for 14 years. I have watched every historical race from the 48 years I missed before I became a fan. This was, without a doubt, the greatest race I have ever witnessed. 35. IDK posted: 07.04.2010 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle's Wreck was JPM's fault i suprised Kyle didn't go up and smack him in the face as mad as he was!! 36. 18fan posted: 07.04.2010 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer wrecked himself like a total idiot. He bounced off the wall and then cut right across Reutimann's nose. 37. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, was this a crash-filled race or what? When Kevin Conway finishes 14th, I don't think anything else needs to be said. Too bad Harvick won. As much as I don't like him, it's unfair to compare him to Michael Drunktrip since Kevin has won races at different venues, and he didn't need superior cars to do so. Only recently has he been able to only win on the plate tracks in Cup. Bobby Labonte drives the 09 and gets his best finish of the season. Mike Bliss gets a top-10 driving the car Bobby just left. Also glad to see Reed Sorenson get a top-10 for Red Bull. I know most of these good finishes only happened because of all the wrecks, but regardless it's still good to see. 38. the_man posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan on crashing and finishing 38th: "We had a pretty fast UPS Ford Fusion, so itā??s a shame to tear one up like that. I donā??t know who else got involved because it happened pretty quickly, but I just got free. I donā??t know if someone was right underneath me on the bottom, but our car just got free and I was chasing it and tore it up.ā? 39. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2010 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jr finishes 4th on the 4th of July. Clearly a conspiracy. 40. BON GORDON posted: 07.04.2010 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good race. Gordon needed help to win this one. Harvick and bowyer were too much for gordon to keep the lead. Moves to 2nd in points with the strength of 9 top 5s. 41. ReganSmithFan posted: 07.04.2010 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I loved Wally and Kyle snickering at how well Conway was doing. 42. AJ posted: 07.04.2010 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You heard that too? I thought I heard them laughing in the background when Adam Alexander mentioned that he was running 10th 43. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.04.2010 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DNQ for this race: 55 Michael McDowell PRISM Motorsports (Phil Parsons) Toyota 64 Todd Bodine Gunselman Motorsports (Larry Gunselman) Toyota 44. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 07.04.2010 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I missed the first 100 laps and I thought the race was over because I was somewhere else at that point, little that I knew that there was a rain delay and the last hour and three-quarter was worth it! 45. Ryan posted: 07.04.2010 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle Busch had a great car until he did his normal deal of weaving all over the track and across JPM's nose. Then he tried to say Juan "messed with the air and sucked him into cutting straight across his nose". As I've said before, this "New Kyle" is total crap. You know how I feel about JPM, but that wreck was 0% his fault. Yet another potential win Kyle costs himself." Yep, he did it to himself. He cut over on Tony last year, too. He turned right, you can even see him do it on the replays, his hands turn right! The air? Please, Kyle Bitch at his best. 46. RLewis9 posted: 07.04.2010 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't even say this was the craziest race I've seen. The 2005 Coca-Cola 600 has that in my opinion. This race was wild at the end starting with the Kurt Busch/Jeff Burton incident that took out half the field. That Coke 600 was a mess all night long. 47. evan posted: 07.04.2010 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess this finish will make Kevin Conway the rookie of the year, which isn't much of an issue. Kyle's blocking and weaving cost him...AGAIN...Kyle says he's changed but he hasn't changed one bit as far I'm concerned, sure he's changed some of the way he's done things but when he's out on the track he still showed he's the same cocky arrogant jerk that he was in the first place. The winners:A good run for Steve Park to show he has some fire left in the tank, albeit he got there mostly due to luck and staying out of trouble(something he didn't do in his final years at DEI) Kevin Conway(again). Kevn Harvick-this win makes him extend his point lead. Losers:Clint Bowyer-after running with Harvick up front late he was spun at the end of the race spoiling his good finish, Jimmie Johnson, Kurt Busch, Tony Stewart all caught up in accidents. Mark Martin's car catching on fire and the firemen taking some time to get to his car. Big Loser:Kyle Busch for trying use his agressive blocking tactics of trying to shake the draft which he spun off the hood of Juan Montoya and his sorry attitude in his interview and his quote "Did you think I would intentionally wreck myself and take myself out of a race?" was really arrogant. 48. I Seize the Day posted: 07.04.2010 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell of a race. That had to be the biggest cup wreck I have ever seen 49. Red posted: 07.04.2010 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I normally enjoy RP racing, but holy shit, this one was ridiculous. I shudder to think what the 2011 Daytona 500 will be like on new pavement with 40 cars in a tight pack all day. "Really impressive runs for Reed Sorenson (8th), Mike Bliss (9th), Scott Speed (10th), Robby Gordon (12th), Steve Park (13th), Kevin Conway (14th), Bobby Labonte (16th), and JJ Yeley (19th)." It drives me nuts when people confuse a good run with a good finish. The guys listed above ran like shit, but got lucky and missed the wrecks. Drivers who had good RUNS include Elliott Sadler(!), Sam Hornish(!!), Kurt Busch, Jamie Mac, JPM, Schrub, Brad K, and RCR as a whole. 50. rw posted: 07.04.2010 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty good race is all I can say, obviously not the best Daytona race in my opinion, but really solid runs by Steve Park, from his 8 year absense, Jr starting to have a mini-streak of Top 5s and 10s, and Mike Bliss finishing in 9th even though it's a S&P team. Props to Kevin Harvick! even though im not a fan of his. Sure wish Brad didn't wreck :(. 51. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.05.2010 - 2:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 49. Red posted The guys listed above ran like shit, but got lucky and missed the wrecks One mistake, Red. Reed Sorenson didn't run like shit and he didn't miss the wreck (actually, Big One started from him). It hurts me to think what 83 was capable of doing had he missed that carnage. Reed was flying during that part of the race, both on the inside and outside, but... 52. Ryan posted: 07.05.2010 - 3:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 34. Timmy Quivy posted: 07.04.10 - 11:37 am "Comment #1: I agree. I have watched NASCAR for 14 years. I have watched every historical race from the 48 years I missed before I became a fan. This was, without a doubt, the greatest race I have ever witnessed." That comment and assessment is a real damn shame Timmy Quivy. Although I love Harvick's passion and go to war for him and loved this win, this was no where near the best race out of the last 14 years. Go back and watch the 2002 400 miler at Darlington, or did you miss the 2000 Winston 500? How about the 1999, 2007, or 2010 Daytona 500s, etc. And go see if you can get a tape of the 1992 Hooters 500. Which is the best and greatest race of my lifetime (born in 1982). Also go back and watch the 1976 and 1979 Daytona 500s. 53. 18fan posted: 07.05.2010 - 3:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Missed this race because I was at the K & N race at Irwindale, but it sounds like it was totally insane. 54. Ryan posted: 07.05.2010 - 3:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 41. ReganSmithFan posted: 07.04.10 - 3:27 pm "I loved Wally and Kyle snickering at how well Conway was doing." 42. AJ posted: 07.04.10 - 4:28 pm "You heard that too? I thought I heard them laughing in the background when Adam Alexander mentioned that he was running 10th" Those two scrubs has no business snickering or laughing about anyone. More Wally than Kyle. They sucked about all their career, although Kyle had some good years in the early 90's. Probably had the best car in the 1993 Daytona 500 along with the Dale's. And in 1992 had there been a Chase (which I absolutely hate saying!) he would have won the title. 55. 18fan posted: 07.05.2010 - 4:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle would've been more of a contender in '91 if he didn't break his leg in a crash at Talladega and finished 5th in points in '92 and '93. Wally just sucked outside of road racing and plate racing in stock cars. 56. Frank posted: 07.05.2010 - 8:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guys, looks like I must say some words to protect Kyle Busch from couple of phobia-style attacks. Did you really listen to his post-wreck interview? First thing he said was accepting of HIS OWN FAULT. It's not new for him, I remember Nashville 2008 when he wrecked while leading and said about "driver's part" too and I want to point - he is saying what he is feeling without cutting edges. It was very interesting to hear about sidedraft from him. Do you really think it was just fable to protect his own? While he already pointed it was his fault? He discovered sidedraft issue and accepted that as a top class driver he couldn't forget about that. So great move from JPM to force mistake from the driver of one of the strongest cars. Of course unintentional but worth same respect as aeroloose from that time rookie Bowyer on Dale Jr at fall Texas race of 06 57. dUDE gUY posted: 07.05.2010 - 8:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nine drivers led at least 11 laps this race (and three led 11 exactly) yet only two led more than 20. 58. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.05.2010 - 10:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The air? Please, Kyle Bitch at his best." I know, I laughed my ass off when I heard him say that. JPM somehow controlled the air well enough to force Kyle from the yellow line up across the middle part of the track across his hood. Dale Sr move over, we have a new "master of the air". Kyle was trying to block a lapped car on fresh tires like a moron. And he payed for it. Another great car and great run spoiled by a stupid, arrogant move. He is the exact opposite of JJ: Tons of natural talent, mentally unstable, unable to recognize and work around his weaknesses, unwilling to just hang in there when things go a little bit wrong. I think most people would agree Kyle has at least twice as much natural DRIVING ability as JJ. So between Kyle and JJ, which one has never finished outside the Top 5 in points, has 4 championships, 2 runner ups, averages 6.3 wins per year (full time seasons only, wins adjusted for the half of a season run in 2010 so far). Now guess which one has just one Top 5 points finish (a 5th, 430 points back in just 10 races), 3 Top 10 points finishes (two 10th place finishes), averages 3.3 wins per season (ditto), and is known more for temper tantrums than anything done on track? 59. Neal posted: 07.05.2010 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Frank - I don't mind Kyle saying things off the cuff most times. It's not really what he says, it's how he carries himself. He acts like a pretentious snob. I wanna know - did Kurt and Kyle's dad actually punish them with a boot in the ass when they were growing up, or were his parents one of those "he's just expressing himself" people? 60. petty43 posted: 07.05.2010 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would not put this race in my own top 50. it was not that great of a race, it was not even that great of a plate race, hell the nationwide race friday was better. kyle does not have more natural driving tatent than jimmie johnson, you vastly underestimte JJ's driving ability DSFF. you probably are mislead at JJ's ability because he always leads so many laps and miles, but that guy knows how to get around almost every track really well, i always see him working the best way around at every track he goes too. i think he is as good now as he's ever been, and he could win another 6 or 7 races this year. nascar keeps changing the points, the cars, everything and none of it throws him off. That being said this new points idea they have for the chase sucks, why the hell would nascar copy an NHRA idea thats sucks. if nascar follows thru i will be so disapointed, just go back to tthe old points system. 61. 18fan posted: 07.05.2010 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, JJ also has the best luck to go along with the best crew chief and the deepest pockets from his owner, to go along with his uncanny ability to be incredibly calm under pressure. 62. Smokefan05 posted: 07.05.2010 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "just go back to tthe old points system." And have a Matt Kenseth 2003 type thing? Ok. I do not like the Chase but that would be worse. And people would complain about that too. Lose-Lose the way i see it. 63. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.05.2010 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Those two scrubs has no business snickering or laughing about anyone. More Wally than Kyle. They sucked about all their career, although Kyle had some good years in the early 90's. Probably had the best car in the 1993 Daytona 500 along with the Dale's. And in 1992 had there been a Chase (which I absolutely hate saying!) he would have won the title. " It could have been more them laughing about how, before the season started, everybody and their mother was saying 'ZOMG HEZ GONNA SUK IN CUPP!!!!!1!!!11!', and here he is running in the top 10-15. True, it was because of attrition, but from the way everyone was talking he was going to wreck every race. He stayed out of trouble and was rewarded with a decent finish. It just goes to show that the know-it-alls usually don't know jack shit. 64. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.05.2010 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just to be clear: I recognize that JJ is talented. But I'm talking about among the elite. That ability to drive which separates Cup drivers from the weekly racers. Kyle has out of this world DRIVING talent. I didn't mean to demean JJ's ability behind the wheel (but I did). I'm just talking about DRIVING ability. 65. Talon64 posted: 07.05.2010 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin Harvick gets his 13th career Cup win, 2nd at Daytona and 2nd straight RP win. Jamie McMurray and Kevin Harvick have combined to win the last 4 RP races, each back-to-back. The rubber match will be Talledega in the Chase. lol Harvick has led the most laps in both Daytona races this year, 41 in the 500 and 28 in this race. It's RCR's 91st career Cup win. 67 of them have been with Dale Earnhardt, while Harvick's 2nd with his 13 wins. RCR sweeped the Nationwide and Cup races this weekend. Kasey Kahne gets his 3rd top five in the last 4 races, which includes 2 runner-up finishes. It's also his best career finish at Daytona, and first career top five. Jeff Gordon gets his season leading 9th top five of the year, and first top ten at Daytona since finishing 5th in the July race in 2007. I guess this means I'll have to find out if anyone's ever had the most top fives in a year and not won a race, or what's the record for most in a year without a win. Dale Earnhardt Jr. gets his 2nd straight top five at Daytona, first time since he had 4 podium finishes in a row from 2004-05. Of his 4 top fives the last two seasons, 3 have come on RP tracks. Jeff Burton gets his first top ten at Daytona since finishing 3rd in the 2007 Daytona 500. Carl Edwards gets his first top ten in the last 6 races. It's his 3rd straight top ten and 5th in his last 7 starts at Daytona. Kurt Busch gets his 5th top ten in the last 6 races, and 6th top ten in his last 7 starts at Daytona. This is Reed Sorenson's first top ten since finishing 9th in the 2009 Daytona 500; he went 39 starts without one. It's only the 3rd time in their 4 seasons of existance that Red Bull Racing has had both cars finish in the top ten (Talledega in April 2009 with Scott Speed 5th and Brian Vickers 8th, Atlanta in March 2010 with Vickers 7th and Speed 10th the other two times). It's his 15th career top ten in his 150th career start. Mike Bliss gets his 7th top ten in 105 career starts, and 2nd top ten of the season which have come on plate tracks. It's the first time he's had 2 top tens in a season since 2005 when he drove full time for Haas Racing. Scott Speed gets his 3rd top ten in 58 career starts. His two top tens this year have been 10th place finishes. David Reutimann finishes in the top 20 for a 10th straight race. Robby Gordon has back-to-back top 20 finishes for the first time since the first two races of 2008 (8th and 18th). In his first start since the season finale at Homestead in 2003, Steve Park gets his best Cup finish since a 12th in the 2nd Martinsville race that season. Kevin Conway gets his best career finish in the top 3 series of NASCAR in 14th; his previous best was 15th in Nationwide at Kentucky in 2009. But Conway has a best career finish of 5th in the West Series, Fontana in 2004. Matt Kenseth finishes outside of the top 10 at Daytona for the first time in his last 5 starts there. Bobby Labonte became the 20th driver to reach 600 career Cup starts (one behind James Hylton for 19th), and finished a season-best 16th. JJ Yeley gets his best Cup finish since 3rd at Loudon in June of 2008. Robert Richardson Jr. made his 4th career Cup start, all on plate tracks since 2009. 66. Talon64 posted: 07.05.2010 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It could have been more them laughing about how, before the season started, everybody and their mother was saying 'ZOMG HEZ GONNA SUK IN CUPP!!!!!1!!!11!', and here he is running in the top 10-15. True, it was because of attrition, but from the way everyone was talking he was going to wreck every race. He stayed out of trouble and was rewarded with a decent finish. It just goes to show that the know-it-alls usually don't know jack shit." But he has sucked, he's been slowest in over half of the qualifying sessions and is usually a couple laps down before the race hits the quarter mark! He's going to go down as the worst ROTY ever. Forget just in Cup, maybe worst ever in any auto racing series or sport. 67. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.05.2010 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And have a Matt Kenseth 2003 type thing? Ok. I do not like the Chase but that would be worse. And people would complain about that too. Lose-Lose the way i see it." I'd rather see an earned title by a driver than someone stealing one away because of being hot in the last 10 races (in 2007 Gordon had the best season, and in 2008 Carl Edwards had the best season). I'd take the old points system over this joke of a Chase any day. 68. petty43 posted: 07.05.2010 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) smokefan i have to agree with rcr fan here, i hated the way kenseth won the champ in 03 but from 75 to about 99 that system worked really well, people were bitching about points system sback in 63 when all you had to do was earn a lot of money to get a top 5 points finish, back then if you won the daytona 500 and southern 500 in the same year you would damn near win the title regardless of the othere SIXTY races. o and the system that "rewarded" benny parsons a cup in 73 o please that one sucked to. pearson or petty or cale should have won that title. fans as a whole have spent just as much time trhu the years bitching about points systems as admiring them. its just always going to be present in the sport. i can tolerate the chase as it is, but if it turns into an elimination after 5 races or whatever, no way. if i could change one thing bout the chase i would add another 4 or 5 races to it, so there is a larger sample size to base our championship on. also only ten drivers should make it nobody running 12th after 20 races deserves a shot at the title. 69. Smokefan05 posted: 07.05.2010 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #67 and #68, point well taken. Will i like the elmination part of it, BF & crew are doing it wrong. Do away with one driver every race, have a wild card (tally), then after the wild card race have a double elmination. So by math 3 guy are left at Homestead, the only thing one of the three has to do is out run the others. No points, all races shortened by 100-150 miles and 1 million bucks up for each race. I like the idea of more races in the Chase (including a RC, which for some seems wrong. It's a crapshot so what) There are so many ways to change or get rid of the Chase it isn't even funny. 70. Jeremy Siple posted: 07.06.2010 - 1:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But he has sucked, he's been slowest in over half of the qualifying sessions and is usually a couple laps down before the race hits the quarter mark! He's going to go down as the worst ROTY ever. Forget just in Cup, maybe worst ever in any auto racing series or sport." But to be fair, his FRM teammates haven't done much better this year. Look, I'm not saying he's going to be the next Jeff Gordon. (In fact I REALLY don't think he's going to be the next Jeff Gordon!) But just by finishing races and staying out of everyone's way instead of driving over his head, he's already exceeded my expectations. "I'd take the old points system over this joke of a Chase any day. " AMEN! 71. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.06.2010 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As was said. 300-400 point blowout with 10 races to go, people complain, a Chase, people complain. NASCAR is damned no matter what they do. In terms of Conway, that I will give him, that he is at least keeping his car clean for the most part. Now he needs to get some speed. 72. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.06.2010 - 1:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also to add, if the Chase were to be rid of as well, I would say, as a solution, give more for wins, that way they mean something, or, the more wins you get, the more points you get (getting win #1 would be worth, as an example, 20 more points than 2nd, getting win #2 would mean 20 more points than that first win, win #3 20 more points than the 2nd, and so on), so it would encourage drivers to race hard for wins regardless, and it could give someone a nice jump up over someone running for consistency for a championship. The points system needs fixed, but I will agree with most, Brian France is looking in the wrong area. 73. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 07.06.2010 - 2:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The champion is not only the fastest and luckiest guy in the field. To be champion also means to be consistent. That is why I have nothing against Matt Kenseth and his title in 2003. I don't argue that championship hunt was dull, but the quality of racing compensated it. And I don't believe there were soooo many complains from the fans after that season... The points system from Winston Cup era was in use for decades and we had very exciting seasons as well as blowouts. Did the Chase change much? I doubt so. It looks like France is in panic because of declining attendance and TV ratings. And his decisions are not working. He decided to repair a thing which was not broken and failed. That is my 5 cents. 74. 18fan posted: 07.06.2010 - 2:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also heard that it looks like SMI is taking a race from Atlanta and a race from Loudon and one is going to Vegas and one is going to Kentucky. Kansas looks like it will replace Auto Club's February date, which is good because February is in the middle of our rainy season in that area. 75. Frank posted: 07.06.2010 - 6:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talon, appreciate your stats but are we complain about "podiums" in NASCAR? In my opinion it's as useless as top-11 To all Chase defenders (I was one of them in my early fan years) - let me remind you that under old system we've had approximately avg. 30 races per season, all of them were equally points-payed and all points wents to determine champion. From 2004 we've had exactly 10 such races per season and it's evident that title contender under old system needs nothing special to do to be in top10-12 after 26 races. I think JJ has only 1.33 titles for now, not joking, just tired to watch how Knaus sacrificed bunch of races every year to experiment without any harm. Although I think JJ still won some of past 4 seasons under old system but not all and - more important - weight of that kind of titles was much bigger. 76. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.06.2010 - 7:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ive said it many times before Frank. Yes, if you use the old system, Jimmie is a champ only twice, but lets also face it. Jimmie isn't the only one running under that system. Everyone else is too, and the 48 team is smart enough to know not to blow their load in the first 26, but rather the last 10. If I was running a good team, I would see exactly what Chad and Jimmie do, and do exactly that. I would bet you anything that had the points system been no-chase, Jimmie still has a good shot at 4 in a row, the only thing is, everyone will be running the season differently, and using different strategies. 77. Smiff_99 posted: 07.06.2010 - 9:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "....and the 48 team is smart enough to know not to blow their load in the first 26...." HAHAHAHA that's an excellent way of putting it. I say we just go back to the old points system and award 50 more points for the winner, no more points for leading individual laps, and award the leader of the most laps a 25 pt bonus. Problem solved (as far as I'm concerned) 78. Smiff_99 posted: 07.06.2010 - 9:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They'd (NASCAR) maybe wanna tweak those points amounts some, but y'all get the idea. 79. Schwab posted: 07.06.2010 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin Harvick has scored 1,001 more points at this point in the season than he did last year. It took him 28 races last year to exceed the point total he already has in 18 races this year. Tony Stewart has scored 468 fewer points at this point in the season than he did last year. 80. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.06.2010 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree that a year long point system is the best way to go. I know it produced some blowouts, but the last two years of the cha$e didn't exactly have us on the edge of our seats. In '08 Carl won 3 of the last 4 races, and still never came all that close to JJ. And last year, JJ would have clinched at Phoenix were it not for the driving heroics of Sideways Sam at Texas. And I've got to defend 2003 here. Yeah the points battle was never really a battle, but at least it was legitimate. And that was the last year of true competitive balance. Ricky Craven and the single car, very underfunded Cal Wells team won a race. There was no clear cut dominator. Even Newman and the #12 team who won 8 times did so mostly on fuel and pit strategy, and the races they didn't win were often disasters. It was a fun year because you never knew who was gonna win. And in defense of JJ, If they were still racing under the old points system, he would still have 4 championships. In 2004 they had a 250 point lead in the summer, then blew 3 motors in a row. Is there any way in the world they do that if they didn't know everything would be reset? And in 2008, they also had a lot of wierd things happen over the summer that never would have happened under a year long points system. So JJ should be the '04, '06, '08, and '09 champ. Still 4 titles. What they need to do is give more bonus points to drivers that lead laps. That would make the races more interesting. None of this "5 points for one lap led" garbage. You should have to lead at least 10% of the race to get 5 points, then an additional 5 points for every additional 10% of the race you lead. For example, at a 500 lap race, you get 5 bonus points for every 50 laps led. Then adjust the number at each race based on the number of SCHEDULED laps. Any laps led after the scheduled distance don't count towards this. I want them to be up front with the number of laps needed for 5 points. At Loudon in 2000, Jeff Burton would have got 50 bonus points for leading every lap. Another thing, offer 10 bonus points for the leader of the 1/4 point of a race, halfway of the race, and the 3/4 point of a race (again scheduled distance). Then a 20 point winning bonus (this would be the only variable). This will encourage all the drivers to try to run up front and lead laps, so they will always be battling for position and the lead. None of this "Hang back, wait for the late race phantom debris caution, then race" strategy. This would make the whole race interesting. 81. Mamorese posted: 07.06.2010 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why would you award 50 more points for a win? What if a driver reels off three wins in a row? uh oh, a 150+ point lead just like that and more people bitching yet again about the points system. 82. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.06.2010 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My thoughts on the proposed schedule changes: California losing a date: Good. Sorry to the fans of that area, but the track makes bad racing and their crowds are embarrassing considering how many people live within a 2 hour radius of that track. I was REALLY afraid Martinsville would lose a race, but I think NASCAR realizes that 6 short track events are the bare minimum for a 36 race stock car schedule. Plus the fans would revolt if yet another long time traditional track lost a date. With what has happened at Wilkesboro, Rockingham, and Darlington, we have had enough. Kansas gaining a 2nd date: Bad. Yet another bland cookie cutter. And the reason is completely ridiculous: They built a casino. Another short sighted decision. Trading Cali for Kansas isn't much of an upgrade. If ISC has to strip Cali of a date (and they did) and give a date to another of their tracks, it should have been Homestead. It is a 1.5 miler, but the racing is outstanding. Atlanta losing a date and Vegas gaining one: Bad and bad. Atlanta, with its worn out, tire chewing pavement makes for great racing. I know their Spring crowd has been bad, but early March in Atlanta is usually REALLY cold. Us Southerners HATE the cold. They moved the Fall race to Labor Day last year and the crowd instantly doubled. Hmmmm. And Vegas is another bland cookie cutter. A definite downgrade. Kentucky gaining a date: On the fence. Yet another 1.5 miler, but this one has SOME character. The Busch races there haven't been anything to write home about, but hardly any of the Cup races anymore are. Loudon getting bought by SMI and getting stripped: This is a VERY sensitive subject for me. Loudon (along with Texas) is one of the two tracks that teamed up to buy North Wilkesboro (30 minutes from where I live, OUTSTANDING racing) and shut the place down. So in some ways it is karmic justice. BUT.... I don't wish this on the New England fans. They have supported the hell out of that track. Even when they ran the day after Thanksgiving in '01 they packed it. So they do NOT deserve this. NASCAR needs to step up and stop this. It is wrong to buy and track, then shut down one of their dates. They have let Bruton walk all over a lot of people just cause he has money. Time to do the right thing and put their foot down and play hardball with him. My suggestions: ISC needs to buy Iowa, give it Cali's 1st date (which will be switched with Phoenix's Spring date), and Kansas' cha$e date. Then scrap Chicago and let Kansas have their one date then. Switch Martinsville and Texas' Spring dates cause the last week of March is a weather crapshoot in the South, and Texas has more people to draw from. 83. Frank posted: 07.06.2010 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just watched replays of laps after the big one. Looking on how #33 was handling I want to ask Kryle Schrub haters about taking his words more seriously. Although I understand that his speech about sidedraft and selfwrecking is pretty funny for you. You may continue count him as arrogant jerk or whatever but don't throw away facts. Talking about schedule I was always for tracks that are familiar for NASCAR and probably nothing else. Martinsville, Darlington, Bristol before resurfacing are my favorite. 84. Talon64 posted: 07.06.2010 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Talon, appreciate your stats but are we complain about "podiums" in NASCAR? In my opinion it's as useless as top-11" Posting "X straight top-11 finishes", or "X straight podiums", is easier than "driver hasn't finished worse than 11th in last X races" or "driver hasn't finished worse than 3rd in last X races". Unless you think the fact itself (Dale Jr. hasn't finished worse than 11th in the last 4 races, which includes 1 top five and 3 top tens) is pointless. 85. Frank posted: 07.06.2010 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Got it but it will be nice if you'll replace "podium" with "top-3" just for tradition which is easier to type too. My comment was about that at most. 86. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.06.2010 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Podiums are for F1. 87. Talon64 posted: 07.06.2010 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But I'm an F1 fan too so podiums are a part of my personal racing lingo. Take it or leave it. :P lol 88. Talon64 posted: 07.06.2010 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright I'll use top-3 for this: Jimmie Johson got his 100th career top-3 in Cup when he won at Infineon in his 307th career start, and then his 101st in the next race. That means he averages a top-3 finish every 3 races which amounts to an average of 12 every season. Since 2002 Jimmie has 25 more top-3's than the next guy, Jeff Gordon with 76. Tony Stewart's 3rd with 75 (but Jimmie's already got more top-3's in his career than Tony in 101 fewer starts). Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch are tied for 4th with 54 each. So Jeff's the only driver in the top five who hasn't won a championship in that span. 89. Talon64 posted: 07.06.2010 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott Sadler has a new old crew chief: Todd Parrott! In 2004 with Todd on top of the box with the #38 RYR team, Elliott had his best Cup season: 2 wins, 8 top fives, 14 top tens and a 15.9 avg fin which were all career highs. In 2005 Elliott also had career highs in laps led with 383 and poles with 4. 90. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.06.2010 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I understand and respect that. But I'm a big NFL fan, and I don't refer to wins as "touchdowns" and spin outs or wrecks as "turnovers". Actually that would be pretty funny. How many turnovers does Sam Hornish have this year? Is he the Jake Delhomme of NASCAR? And JJ is having a Brett Favre year. Lots of touchdowns, lots of turnovers. It's just that when I think of podiums, I think of the top 3 drivers all spraying champagne and celebrating with each other. Um, 2nd and 3rd place, why are you celebrating? YOU LOST! Can you imagine a mortified Kurt Busch and Kevin Harvick having to celebrate a Jimmie Johnson win? Actually that would be hilarious. And what if you won with a bump and run? Wouldn't you be afraid to have the 2nd place guy next to you with a bottle of champagne in his hand? You might get it busted over your head. 91. Anonymous posted: 07.06.2010 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has a top 3 press conference. Just no champagne. 92. Josh C posted: 07.06.2010 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) post #48. That wreck was big but not the biggest. 2001 Daytona 500 had 22 cars damaged in that wreck 2003 Aarons 499 had a 27 car pileup on lap 5 2005 Aarons 499 had a 25 car pileup caused by Johnson and Dale Jr, when they simultaneously hit mike wallace in the 4 car and wrecked the whole field. they paid for it later on though, as they were both involved in another pileup late in that race that claimed both of them. 93. Josh C posted: 07.06.2010 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhV-XKEjHg&feature=related follow this link, watch kyle busch's interview and say "what the hell happened?" 94. DaleJrFan19 posted: 07.06.2010 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KEVIN CONWAY /Discussion 95. Sean posted: 07.06.2010 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You should have to lead at least 10% of the race to get 5 points, then an additional 5 points for every additional 10% of the race you lead." This is eerily close to the kind of thing I came up with myself, only I made it 2 points instead of 5. This is what I would consider the ideal points system: 1. 200, 2. 160, 3. 130, 4. 115, 5. 100 6. 90, 7. 80, 8. 70, 9. 60, 10. 50 11. 45, 12. 40, 13. 35, 14. 30, 15. 25 16. 22, 17. 19, 18. 16, 19. 13, 20. 10 21. 8, 22. 6, 23. 4, 24. 2, 25. 1 pole - 10 2 points for each 10% of a race you lead There are so many reasons why this would be an improvement. The much larger percentage gaps between the top five positions would encourage racing instead of stroking to a massive points lead a la Kevin Harvick. The 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th, and 25th place points totals would be much more memorable than 155, 134, 118, 103, and 88 to the typical fan. Not giving out points past 25th will keep modifieds from coming back on the track dozens of laps down to collect points (and might prevent garbage like the Edwards/Keselowski at Atlanta crap.) Adding differential points for leading would encourage running up front, but maybe 5 points per 10% would work better than 2. The result would be a much more accurate level of performance than the traditional Cup points system EVER is. And no chase, of course. In the pre-chase era, using this particular points system only inverts a few titles: 1980 - Cale Yarborough instead of Dale Earnhardt 1983 - Darrell Waltrip instead of Bobby Allison 1985 - Bill Elliott instead of Darrell Waltrip 1988 - Rusty Wallace instead of Bill Elliott 1992 - Bill Elliott instead of Alan Kulwicki 1993 - Rusty Wallace instead of Dale Earnhardt 1996 - Jeff Gordon instead of Terry Labonte 2003 - Ryan Newman instead of Matt Kenseth In every one of those years I would say the make-believe champion was more dominant than the true champion. I think consistency is way too overrated and dominance is underrated. Yes, 2003 would have been bad since Newman proved to be mostly a fluke/one year wonder. 1985 when Waltrip won the title with eight fewer wins and 1996 when Labonte did the same strike me as the most embarrassing examples, especially 1996, because Gordon had eight more wins and the same number of top fives and top tens as Labonte, and Gordon led the series in every other statistical category. So Labonte won the title because he was 17th when he ran like crap while Gordon was 37th. Is that a champion? In my opinion, no. But it seems traditional NASCAR fans disagree and want to give it to whoever has the best average finish in a year. I calculated the top ten in points in each year in my fake points system and felt the results every year were a better reflection of the reality of who was running up front. Take 1994. Ernie Irvan arguably dominated the season before his crash (even though Earnhardt had eked out a small points lead) but fell to 22nd simply because he collected 0 points every race while all the other full-time drivers collected points every race. In my points system, he's fourth, only behind Earnhardt, Wallace, and Martin, and gets something for his strong partial season. (David Pearson and Cale Yarborough also got top ten points finishes in their partial seasons in the '70s and '80s as well sometimes, while drivers who tended to stroke it were lower.) Also in 1994, Geoff Bodine had a season where he either dominated, crashed, or did both in every race. Finishing 20th in points or whatever he was is a little brutal since almost none of those outside the top ten besides Irvan outperformed him. In my system, Bodine goes up to 10th. Certainly too inconsistent to be a title threat, but he deserves SOMETHING for how dominant he was. Etc... Consistency counts too much, and even more so now when it comes down to consistency over the last 10 races, one of which is a plate race that throws a giant screwball into the whole system. 96. Kit posted: 07.07.2010 - 12:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "In every one of those years I would say the make-believe champion was more dominant than the true champion. I think consistency is way too overrated and dominance is underrated." Total bullshit. As much as I like Bill Elliott, Alan Kulwicki worked WAY harder on and off the track than Elliott in '92... Kulwicki did both Elliott's job AND Junior Johnson's job while beating both of them. That is why he's a champion. Enough of this clusterf**k point systems. Revert back to the old points system, nothing was wrong with it. The problem is with the CARS, not the points system. Ever since the Monte Carlo was introduced the racing has been getting crappier. 97. Kit posted: 07.07.2010 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Podium" is a little odd for NASCAR. 98. Josh C posted: 07.07.2010 - 3:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, I say score the top 12 this way 1. 250 2. 200 3. 150 4. 100 5. 50 6. 45 7. 40 8. 35 9. 30 10. 25 11. 20 12. 15 I think anything outside top 12 is not great, 15-20 isn't bad, but anything below that sucks balls. No bonus points given. Under that system, Jimmie my Johnson would be the point leader mostly because of Hamlins inconsistencies and Harvicks lack of wins...he would be second BTW. Although, I haven't added up what Kyle or Kurt would be doing either. 99. 18fan posted: 07.07.2010 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This should rile up some people who hate the chase. David Caraviello wrote an article on NASCAR.com about how the Nationwide series needs a playoff. It already doesn't work in the Cup series, so why further screw up the already screwed up Sprint Cup JV series. 100. Talon64 posted: 07.07.2010 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only way they should have a Chase in Nationwide is if it's exclusive for series regulars. Anyone in the top 35 in the Cup standings wouldn't be eligible after the cut-off date. I don't know how similar or not it'll be to the Cup Chase, but here's how a 12 driver Nationwide-regular Chase would look like for 2010 as of right now: Justin Allgaier Steve Wallace Brendan Gaughan Jason Leffler Trevor Bayne Michael Annett Tony Raines Brian Scott Reed Sorenson Kenny Wallace Mike Wallace Mike Bliss (how about Steve Wallace being the 2nd best regular this year? Still needs to get some consistency, it's been a year of alternating good and bad streaks) Trust me, you'd see an end to Cup drivers running full time in Nationwide if this happened. But it might not cut down the total involvement of Cup drivers much since there'd still be the owners championship. 101. Talon64 posted: 07.07.2010 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The rumor mill's saying that Kahne will drive the #5 in 2011 while Mark Martin moves over to Red Bull Racing. RBR's been thinking about a switch to Chevy since last season. 3 dar team? Mark replaces Speed, or Vickers if he can't come back? Or is it all just a bunch of nonsense? :P 102. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.07.2010 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just think that no matter what they do with the points sytem, the cream will rise to the top. No matter how you slice it, JJ and the #48 team have been the best team hands down in the 8 and 1/2 years since they began. It isn't close really. And they have 4 titles to show for it because they deserve them. So just go back to the old way so it doesn't look contrived and fake. The cha$e was supposed to "level the playing field". HA! It has caused the #48 team to go on a stretch of dominance unparalelled in the modern era. Besides, trying to change things to "Jimmie-proof" the championship will blow up in their face. First of all, it will provide the #48 team with all the motivation they need. I mean at some point they have to get fat, lazy, and satisfied, Right? Doing this will make that "some time" happen a lot further down the road. And secondly, no team adapts to change better than the #48. Even with the change to the spoiler. The results didn't show it, but have still had the fastest cars with it. They were just done in by some mental blunders (Texas, Talladega, Dover, Charlotte), bad luck (this race), or mental blunders AND bad luck (Darlington). 103. martin-n-rusty posted: 07.07.2010 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think a bunch of nonsense, not to mention that I thought Red Bull already axed any idea of going to Chevy 104. Red posted: 07.07.2010 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR should focus on making each race more exciting, and stop worrying so much about the championship. If I had to choose, I'd much rather watch a season of great races than a season with a close title fight. 2001 is a good example. That was a great year of racing, including a record 19 different winners and the feeling than ANYONE could win on a given weekend. So what if Gordon won the title by 349 points; I didn't care, because 1) he deserved it, and 2) I was entertained almost every week. That's what NASCAR needs to get back to. I wholeheartedly agree with Sean and DSFF that NASCAR should put a premium on leading laps. In my opinion, that's even more important than extra points for wins, because drivers need incentive to run hard throughout the whole race. 105. Talon64 posted: 07.07.2010 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon's leading the series in top fives with 9, despite no wins this year. Same as I did with laps led, can Jeff Gordon come close to the record for most top fives in a season without a win? He's within a good shot of the modern era record. Terry Labonte had 17 top fives in 1982, finishing a career-best 3rd in points at the time but going winless for a 2nd straight year after getting his first win at Darlington in 1980. Jeff Gordon's already has the 6th most top fives in a year without a win, coming in 2008 just a year after he had 6 wins and a modern era record 30 top tens. Benny Parsons has had 3 seasons of 10+ top fives without wins coming in 1972 (10), 1974 (10) and 1982 (11). But no one's topping James Hylton when it comes to all time, in the late 60's he had 3 seasons of 20+ top fives without any wins including 27 in 1969! Hylton only ever had two wins in his career but finished top 3 in the standings 6 times in a 7 year stretch in the 60's thanks to that consistency. Here's all the drivers who've had 10+ top fives in a season and didn't win a race from 1972-present, and then James Hylton's seasons: Terry Labonte 17 1982 Bobby Allison 15 1976 Mark Martin 14 1996 Dave Marcis 14 1978 Ricky Rudd 14 1981 Jeff Gordon 13 2008 Harry Gant 13 1981 Ricky Rudd 12 2000 Richard Petty 11 1978 Benny Parsons 11 1974 Buddy Baker 11 1974 Carl Edwards 10 2006 Geoffrey Bodine 10 1985 Benny Parsons 10 1982 Lennie Pond 10 1976 Benny Parsons 10 1972 Pre modern era: James Hylton 27 1969 (52 starts) James Hylton 26 1967 (46 starts) James Hylton 20 1966 (41 starts) 106. petty43 posted: 07.07.2010 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i agree red post 104!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 107. Red posted: 07.07.2010 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talon64, I think you missed Kasey Kahne's 2004 rookie season. Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure he had 13 top-fives and no wins that year. Just curious, do you get all your information directly from this site, or do you have some sort of database that allows you quick access to all this stuff? Either way, I love all the stats you post, and I hope you don't get tired of doing it any time soon! 108. petty43 posted: 07.08.2010 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) with regards to the aj richard petty incident, let me say that AJ is not a pimple, on a wart, on richards ass, he better show some damn respect and take that advice because AJ still needs it. he is getting better but hell he has not gotten anywhere close to being where he needs to be. 109. Talon64 posted: 07.08.2010 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Talon64, I think you missed Kasey Kahne's 2004 rookie season. Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure he had 13 top-fives and no wins that year. Just curious, do you get all your information directly from this site, or do you have some sort of database that allows you quick access to all this stuff? Either way, I love all the stats you post, and I hope you don't get tired of doing it any time soon!" You're right about Kahne, it's the one I missed. And I use this site for all of my information, which means I've had to sift through the standings for every season for the winless laps led and top 5 records. Don't worry, if I have the time and patience to go through all of that then I'm not quitting anytime soon. LOL :D 110. Smokefan05 posted: 07.08.2010 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Don't worry, if I have the time and patience to go through all of that then I'm not quitting anytime soon. LOL :D" You have no life Talon. :P 111. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.08.2010 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If I had to choose, I'd much rather watch a season of great races than a season with a close title fight." I agree. 112. I Seize the Day posted: 07.09.2010 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You have no life Talon. :P" I disagree. This is Talon's life and I dig it. 113. Talon64 posted: 07.09.2010 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol thanks. :D BTW NASCAR's thinking about really screwing up the Chase we already have in Cup. Talk about eliminations and resetting the points for the last race or couples of races. Denny Hamlin doesn't like any of it. Gotta give him credit for being old school and preferring the old (i.e. right) way to decide a championship. 114. Talon64 posted: 07.09.2010 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wow a wide smile/laughing smiley looks really retarded on these comment boards. 115. Kit posted: 07.09.2010 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The cha$e was supposed to "level the playing field". HA! It has caused the #48 team to go on a stretch of dominance unparalelled in the modern era." Pretty much. I don't think the #48 would have four straight championships under the old points system; Gordon would probably have at least one in the past five years probably. The Cha$e system pretty much just awards a driver based on the last 10 races, not the entire 36 races, assuming that they are in the top 12. 116. Kit posted: 07.09.2010 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This should rile up some people who hate the chase. David Caraviello wrote an article on NASCAR.com about how the Nationwide series needs a playoff. It already doesn't work in the Cup series, so why further screw up the already screwed up Sprint Cup JV series." Not really, Caraviello is just a guy trying to pay the mortgage so he's going to send total dogshit to his publisher if it means they cut him a check immediately. 117. petty43 posted: 07.09.2010 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ouch kit that was harsh but funny for a change. 118. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.10.2010 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I don't think the #48 would have four straight championships under the old points system" He wouldn't have. Gordon would have won in '07. But JJ would have won in '04. No way they blow 3 straight motors under the old system. And most importantly, Kurt Busch would be a ZERO time cup champ presently. 119. John Royal posted: 07.10.2010 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn I missed this race, but nice to see some fresh heads in the top-10 albeit the crashes. Damn, and Nationwide race seemed to be classic too. 120. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.10.2010 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gordon would have won in '07." I completely agree. No matter how one would have approached the championship race differently under the old system, a 300+ point lead and 30 top-10's for the season pretty much locks it up for you. 121. Anonymous posted: 12.24.2010 - 10:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Get rid of the Chase and keep the old system how it is. No changes. 122. 1995z71 posted: 08.10.2011 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby Labonte gets his best finish of the season (16th) in James Finch's 09 Ironically TRG gets its best finish of the season with Mike Bliss 9th, there only top-10. TRG was the team Labonte mostly drove for during the season. 123. AlmirolaFan88 posted: 09.14.2011 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What no one has said is that Mike Bliss crashed after the race. Finishing 9th means nothing when a small team like TRG comes back to the shop with a totaled car. 124. 77Hornish77 posted: 11.27.2015 - 8:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I need to YouTube this race because only thing I remember about this race was Sam Hornish coming getting 4 tires on the next to last caution, looked to have the car that could drive up through the field to win. Made it up to 5th or 6th b before he crashed 125. Jack Johnson posted: 06.26.2017 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't believe that car number 9,driven by Kasey Kahne,got a piece of that big pile up. 126. Jack Johnson posted: 06.26.2017 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is car number 19,driven by Elliott Sadler,not on the list of drivers involved in that big pile up,when he was shown sliding on the grass during that big pile up? 127. Jack Johnson posted: 06.26.2017 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is it true that car number 19,driven by Elliott Sadler,is not on the list of drivers involved in that big pile up,because during that big pile up,he slid on the grass,without spinning & saved it to avoid being involved? 128. Mr.Victory posted: 03.07.2018 - 9:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cars involved lap 147 Wreck: 12, 77, 31, 83, 48, 42, 2, 24, 39, 20, 47, 19, 7, 78, 99, 11, 16, 5, 98, 38, 09, 82, 14. 129. Danish Pie posted: 08.30.2018 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reed Sorenson's last Top 10 to date. 130. Danish Pie posted: 10.10.2018 - 5:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Best career finishes for owners Kevin Buckler (9th) and Dusty Whitney (19th). 131. annoymous posted: 09.18.2019 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 23 cars were actually in that crash that was the biggest Cup Series crash in 5 years at the time. And Daytona's biggest wreck since the original big one in 1990 at Daytona. 132. Timothy_Eklund posted: 02.28.2020 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Final race on the old Daytona surface. Daytona got a good 32 years out of it. 133. Canadianfan posted: 02.28.2020 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @132 Although that's technically true in 1978 after the races all they really did was put down another layer of asphalt over top the old one. This was the first time since the track was built that they went right down to the dirt. 134. SweetRich posted: 02.28.2020 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commentators for the race were Adam Alexander, Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty. The pit road reporters were Ralph Sheheen, Matt Yocum, Marty Snider and Phil Parsons. 135. Anonymous posted: 05.25.2020 - 7:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) there are 4 drivers who were missing who were involved in it, Gordon, Hamlin, Biffle, sadler, and Kvapil, and Kasey Kahne was actually not in the wreck. 136. Rich posted: 12.06.2020 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joining the race coverage were Larry McReynolds as the in-race analyst and Lindsay Czarniak as the studio host. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: