|| *Comments on the 2010 Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen:* View the most recent comment <#119> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Sunoco posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Juan Pablo Montoya takes his second career victory, making him the winningest driver born outside the US in NASCAR's highest division. 2. Art D posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice win for Juan Pablo. About time he notches a pair of double-Us. I guess Said forget that you dont ever try to push Stewart off the track. Found out the hard way today. On Hamlin for racing 'just' for eighth and not the lead: That's one great reason why Johnson has won 4-straight. He will battle fiercly for every spot he can take. 3. Mike posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was waiting for Montoya to find a way to choke but he didn't. Dominating performance by the 42 team. 4. Mike posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin is an idiot. If he wants to race like a pussy then go to open wheel and get out of NASCAR. 5. Anonymous posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (7) Thank the Good Lord Kurt got around Ambrose at the end. I was cursing at my screen all race long, having to watch two foreigners race for the win. This isn't the NASCAR I grew up with. Never thought I'd see the day I saw foreigners finish 1-2 in a race, and I hope I never do. 6. RLewis9 posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The battling between Montoya and Ambrose throughout the race was superb. It was good fun racing between two guys hungry for a win. Better than the status quo we see every week. Also, props to AJ Allmendinger. Ran in the top 5 all day long and got just his 2nd career Cup series top 5 finish. 7. Eric posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya didn't prove a lot to me by his win. Montoya not doing a choke job is a shock. The catch is if Montoya wins at a road course, you expect it a possibility due to his background. I still consider Montoya a choke artist on ovals. Montoya has talent, but for the last 4 years, he led the most laps in 3 oval races. He also lead the 2nd most laps in Ovals races for the last two years in 2 races. That is a sign of a driver that isn't clutch for oval races. Since Jamie McMurray got a top 10 here, don't expect to do well at Michigan. Jimmie Johnson continues to be streaky this year. 8. Mike posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) "Thank the Good Lord Kurt got around Ambrose at the end. I was cursing at my screen all race long, having to watch two foreigners race for the win. This isn't the NASCAR I grew up with. Never thought I'd see the day I saw foreigners finish 1-2 in a race, and I hope I never do." This ranks as one of the dumbest comments ever. 9. martin-n-rusty posted: 08.08.2010 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "On Hamlin for racing 'just' for eighth and not the lead: That's one great reason why Johnson has won 4-straight. He will battle fiercly for every spot he can take." And this is why NASCAR needs to fix their points system to reward better finishes. "Racing for a good points finish" is not racing, its idiocy. I've said it many times before. Reward VERY well for wins, and you will see racing improve, regardless of if these guys are running in Fred Flinstones car, or ultra sleek Formula One cars. 10. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LOL, watching JPM and Ambrose battle for the lead in a class of their own, I was thinking "Alright, which one of them is going to choke?". Turned out to be Ambrose, botching a restart badly and using his stuff up. Congrats to Brian Pattie and the #42 team. They should have had a lot more of these. Note to Diva Hamlin: To you it may be "just 8th place", but to others either trying to get into the Top 12, or solidify their spot, that is huge. Plus 8th place isn't bad by any means. So to you, Denny "I have 5 wins this year, I'm too important to be worrying about 8th place" Hamlin, do what Mike said in post #3. With Bowyer having troubles today, it brought a lot of people back into the cha$e hunt that I thought were out of it and now might can get in (McMurray alert!). 11. martin-n-rusty posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Thank the Good Lord Kurt got around Ambrose at the end. I was cursing at my screen all race long, having to watch two foreigners race for the win. This isn't the NASCAR I grew up with. Never thought I'd see the day I saw foreigners finish 1-2 in a race, and I hope I never do." If it wasn't for Wood Brothers21's blog post a few weeks back, I would call for this to be the worst post ever. 12. Steve.M posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Thank the Good Lord Kurt got around Ambrose at the end. I was cursing at my screen all race long, having to watch two foreigners race for the win. This isn't the NASCAR I grew up with. Never thought I'd see the day I saw foreigners finish 1-2 in a race, and I hope I never do." Wow what an amazingly ignorant comment, i agree one of the dumbest comments ever. Hey guess what buddy? "Foreigners" as you put it, still finished 1 & 3, but i guess you have no idea what the hell a podium is huh? 13. Eric posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Anonymous made the dumbest comment since Wood Brothers21's blog post. I wonder if Anonymous and Wood Brothers21 is the same person. 14. RLewis9 posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the first time a Target sponsored car has gone to victory lane in the Cup series. They've been a sponsor for so long, it's a little suprising it took them this long to get a win. I can't remember the last time Hendrick as a team struggled so badly in one weekend. Even in practice they looked poor and none of them were a factor in this race. Jeff Gordon ended up finishing 10th, but he ran most of the day around 15th. Jimmie had his issues even before his wreck, Mark wasn't a factor, and Dale Jr.....well he's just Dale Jr. 15. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Since Jamie McMurray got a top 10 here, don't expect to do well at Michigan." Lol, I know! But since they are now within 100 points of the cha$e, maybe they can put a few good runs together for once. 16. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Thank the Good Lord Kurt got around Ambrose at the end. I was cursing at my screen all race long, having to watch two foreigners race for the win. This isn't the NASCAR I grew up with. Never thought I'd see the day I saw foreigners finish 1-2 in a race, and I hope I never do." Where you the guy at Talladega sitting next to me in 08' who said "I hate Montoya cause he's from Brazil, more drugs come into our great nation from there than any other country." I'm not quite sure, but this ranks up with the worst posts ever. I think Hamlin was talking about Kyle but didn't want to mention him for obvious reasons. Also, Kryles recent top tens have all come when he has a problem early, and when he doesnt he usually finishes about where he qualifies. Also it was good to see people actually cheer Montoya and not throw beer at him. 17. potatosalad48 posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Ford Tortise of Kevin conway finished on the lead lap for only the third time all year. Jimmie Johnson can't catch a break. He's running well and boom, he gets wrecked. 18. John Royal posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >> Jimmie Johnson can't catch a break. He's running well and boom, he gets wrecked. Good thing about the chase is that you can screw fair share of races on regular season, and still win the championship. Also good thing is that you can win the regular season by large margin, and still wound down to 10th place after Homestead final. Chase is good. 19. Smokefan05 posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Thank the Good Lord Kurt got around Ambrose at the end. I was cursing at my screen all race long, having to watch two foreigners race for the win. This isn't the NASCAR I grew up with. Never thought I'd see the day I saw foreigners finish 1-2 in a race, and I hope I never do." Your not a race fan, your a race idiot. JPM deserved it today. And to me it takes away some his "chokeiness" from last year. Big props to "dangerous" AJA for acutally running up front all day and for JamieMc to show his RC skills. Boris got what he deserved, Tony held his line. he dumped him, didn't Boris dumped Tony at Sonoma? Shout outs for Matt Kenseth, Sammy Hornish, Andy Lally and Brad K. for top 20s today. Guys who aren't known for there RC skills (except Lally) 20. Anonymous posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yep, I wote post numbear 5. Wy are you guys so angre with mee, the reeson I hate dem foreigners is becose dey are so meen and are twerrists fom evil cwountrees like Canada and Astralea. Dem evil Astraleans are so mean and kill kangarews and hate Mericans, dem foreigners showld be baned from NASCAR because its an ALL MERICAN sport with great mericans like Richard Petty and Mario Andretti and Earl Ross winning races in the past and manufacterrers like Toyota and Jaquerr winnen races, wy are you so anwey i love my NASCAR and dem foregieners showld race in fomula onee 21. John Royal posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #20 Fail troll is fail troll. 22. mrittenhouse84 posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick had a flat tire on the last lap that moved him down to 11th from 6th. Overall good racing, especially for the lead! 23. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now that post 5 has been talked about, let me talk about the racing. Obviously a great job my Montoya and Ambrose but a big congrats to Lally, Carpentier, and Papis in rubbish equipment, but a shame to see ron fellows have a problem or start and park. Also great job by sideways sam, he's usually horrible on road courses (even in the IRL)and got a nice solid run. Suprised by Gordon and Stewart. Also first win for target in the NASCAR Winston/Nextel/Sprint cup. It also looks like now the chase battle could actually get good... 24. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^^^^^ BY montoya and ambrose 25. petty43 posted: 08.08.2010 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) man if we had 34 RC races a year JPM might have a hell of a career, but as much as a i hate it i'll give him props, thats was a good drive by him today. after the way he butchered his crew over the radio last week i wonder how excited they were for him, he was SO disrespectful to tony glover, it was just sad. he might make a run for the chase over these next 4 races, who knows, but i would rather he not be a part of it, i want to see mark at least get a shot, all though i really dont think it matters. no one from outside the top 7 is winning the chase this year and jeff gordon wont win it either. 26. Anonymous posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Hey guess what buddy? "Foreigners" as you put it, still finished 1 & 3, but i guess you have no idea what the hell a podium is huh?" Yeah, that is how I put it, because that is just what they ARE. As far as I know, Obama hasn't turned the USA into a Socialist European nation YET, big boy. We don't count podiums in NASCAR. I will pray for you, but I fear it is too late. 27. Critic posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Since I doubt 20 actually wrote 5: No, but then the sport had already evolved beyond your superficial childhood conceptions when the foreign-born -- but proudly American -- Mario Andretti won at Daytona simply to prove a point. Did you object when Carling Brewery of Canada helped support Ontarian Earl Ross' 1974 campaign? Were you enraged when he had the temerity to win a race at Martinsville, in the heart of real Americana, and his team proudly held the Canadian and Confederate flags together (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/gfx/nascar-ross-earl_392.jpg)? How about Jim Clark, David Hobbs and Vic Elford's dalliances with the sport, the latter of which the France's were instrumental in arranging? Bill France, Sr. took the administering of his 24 Hours of Daytona very seriously, and encouraged several of the competitors there throughout the years to return in February for the 500. He knew it was a way to accrue immediate domestic and international legitimacy for his championship, given the strong competition from USAC, etc. Where it concerned his interests, France was an innovative -- even progressive -- executive, and it's a shame that so many fans of his sport claim fealty to his ideals when they haven't the slightest idea of what they actually were. I don't think you comprehend NASCAR at all; you'd be foolish peddling such nonsense in the era of your childhood, let alone today. 28. Bronco posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Today there were no flat tires, speeding tickets, late race wrecks, botched pit strategies, or a lack of speed from the #42 team. Congrats JPM on getting a well deserved second win. An even bigger congrats has to go out to Brian Pattie, probably one of the most underrated crew chiefs in the garage. EGR now has more wins than ECR powered RCR this year despite having one less car. Worst performance by the #88 team all year. They had three consecutive finishes outside the top 20 coming in, so what do they do at a track that Dale Jr usually struggles at? They bring their 11th place Sonoma car which ends up being better than only the three FRM entries in qualifying, and they get a shitty finish at the end of the day. Looks like they're entering R&D mode so that the #24 or #48 can win the chase. Everything basically went downhill after Daytona for them. Good runs for Andy Lally, and Sideways Sam finally has a Watkins Glen race without a spectacular crash. First pole for Carl Edwards since Bristol in August 2008, and still he couldn't lead the first lap. :( 29. Dylan Hills posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boris Said, karma's a bitch. 30. Anonymous posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like they're entering R&D mode so that the #24 or #48 can win the chase." lmaoooo 31. Steve.M posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yep, I wote post numbear 5. Wy are you guys so angre with mee, the reeson I hate dem foreigners is becose dey are so meen and are twerrists fom evil cwountrees like Canada and Astralea. Dem evil Astraleans are so mean and kill kangarews and hate Mericans, dem foreigners showld be baned from NASCAR because its an ALL MERICAN sport with great mericans like Richard Petty and Mario Andretti and Earl Ross winning races in the past and manufacterrers like Toyota and Jaquerr winnen races, wy are you so anwey i love my NASCAR and dem foregieners showld race in fomula onee" I'm assuming this post is sarcasim....... dear god i hope its sarcasim lol but you DO know that Earl Ross is Canadian right? lol 32. Art D posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Martin-n-rusty: "And this is why NASCAR needs to fix their points system to reward better finishes. "Racing for a good points finish" is not racing, its idiocy. I've said it many times before. Reward VERY well for wins, and you will see racing improve, regardless of if these guys are running in Fred Flinstones car, or ultra sleek Formula One cars." Wouldn't that method reward the streaky 'win-or-wreck' racers and diminish the chances for the consistent top-5, top-10 finishers who never DNF'd. Old way is still the best, my opinion. I still want to see a fluke champion win it all with no wins in a season. Just to read all the posts that bitch about it would be great. 33. martin-n-rusty posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Art, true, but the pound system worked when drivers cared for wins. It's obvious today that winning isn't a top priority for these guys, and that needs to change. 34. martin-n-rusty posted: 08.08.2010 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oop, pound = point. That's what happens when you watch a DVD, and do this at the same time 35. Anonymous posted: 08.08.2010 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin is obviously someone who can do no right. Any driver would be mad about some fool going 3 wide on a road course. 36. abcd#3 posted: 08.08.2010 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is it after every race people have to bitch about nascar. Go hang yourselves you god damn losers. Theres nothing wrong with this sport and if you dont like it watch baseball. Ive watched. nascar for 15 years and i think there is nothing wrong. You all should be more upset that you wast your time complaining about something so stupid. I love this sport and everyone else should too. Also about the idiots who put a dollar sign in the name nascar are stupid too. Who the hell cares if nascar is cortperate. Its better. You all suck. 37. Anonymous posted: 08.08.2010 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @32, how much did you get paid to make that comment? 38. Steve.M posted: 08.08.2010 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you seriously think that NASCAR is better you obviously never saw it a long time ago 80's NASCAR used to be way better, however I am willing to admit that todays race wasn't that bad. 39. Greg Gruver posted: 08.08.2010 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Very good race between 42 and 47. I think the points system should be reworked, maybe points for the top 30 only, and 20 more points to win then what 2nd gets. I also think that NASCAR should take the start and parkers and park them before they start. If you dont even have a spare set of tires setup in your pit box, NASCAR should not allow these teams to steal money form the track. If only 38 cars are planning to run the race then only start 38 and pay them a little bit more. 40. Critic posted: 08.08.2010 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 28: Jeff Gordon could win this year's championship without recording a victory -- indeed, I'd like to see it occur -- and no one will be able to deride his season as a fluke, because his team has been competitive in almost every event thus far. I can concede the attractiveness of a points system that encourages a driver to try for a win over a safe top-five, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea that we need to define what types of seasons are championship deserving. There is no right or wrong way to win a championship, and even using the most unbalanced distribution scale you will never wholly eliminate the importance of consistent performance. I'm also a traditionalist in that I believe we should identify the best driver -- the individual who has accumulated the most points -- over the entirety of a season, not ten or fifteen events, and that remains the inherent flaw of the Chase format. But related to the above, best is something of a nebulous term; it could be a single victory and thirty top-ten's, or nine wins that balance out spates of mediocrity. I'm not sure I believe winning is as important as most of you do, and I'd have no problem reverting to the old points system for next year. I must confess to having no sympathy whatsoever for Said, because forcing his way around the track is apart of his style, and sooner or later someone wasn't going to tolerate it. I've long felt he's overrated -- that might stem from the fact that his only major road-racing result in the last decade was the 2005 24 Hours of Nurburgring -- and wish he'd concentrate on Grand-Am or whatever it is he's up to rather than continuing to test the waters in NASCAR. I believe I had less than flattering comments about him on the Sonoma page as well. 41. Critic posted: 08.08.2010 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's fairly clear that the author of 20 didn't actually compose 5, so: No, but then the sport had already evolved beyond your superficial childhood conceptions when the foreign-born -- but proudly American -- Mario Andretti won at Daytona simply to prove a point. Did you object when Carling Brewery of Canada helped support Ontarian Earl Ross' 1974 campaign? Were you enraged when he had the temerity to win a race at Martinsville, in the heart of real Americana, and his team proudly held the Canadian and Confederate flags together (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/gfx/nascar-ross-earl_392.jpg)? How about Jim Clark, David Hobbs and Vic Elford's dalliances with the sport, the latter of which the France's were instrumental in arranging? Bill France, Sr. took the administering of his 24 Hours of Daytona very seriously, and encouraged several of the competitors there throughout the years to return in February for the 500. He knew it was a way to accrue immediate domestic and international legitimacy for his championship, given the strong competition from USAC, etc. Where it concerned his interests, France was an innovative, even progressive (e.g. Winston and the modern era) executive, and it's a shame that so many fans of his sport claim fealty to his ideals when they haven't the slightest idea of what they actually were. I don't think you comprehend NASCAR at all; you'd be foolish peddling such nonsense in the era of your childhood, let alone today. I don't care about a driver's ethnicity, nationality, gender, or lifestyle (presuming legal behavior). What's at issue is how they compete -- and nothing else. 42. Smokefan05 posted: 08.08.2010 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you seriously think that NASCAR is better you obviously never saw it a long time ago 80's NASCAR used to be way better, however I am willing to admit that todays race wasn't that bad." In terms of 'racing' today is better. In terms of 'money', 'drivers' and 'sponsers' and 'talent' yester year is better. 43. DaleJrFan19 posted: 08.08.2010 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @#5 congratulations, you're a walking stereotype. 44. Critic posted: 08.08.2010 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From some of the comments here, I wasn't the only one who expected Montoya to find a way to lose this race. Of course, Ambrose has been prone to doing that as well, so maybe Busch was in the best position of all toward the end. I didn't expect anything from Earnhardt, Jr., but his lackluster performance was surprising in its futility, and suddenly the Michigan to Daytona stretch where his team seemingly found something is a distant memory. His average finish is 17th, and he's right where he belongs in points, if not inflated. Last year he rose from the depths with a third at Michigan, but I don't foresee a repeat of that. The race for twelfth in points -- worst in show -- isn't particularly inspiring this year. I don't feel that Martin, who's been absent since May, or Newman truly deserve to make the cutoff, while Bowyer's having another of his typical seasons, with a lot of top-ten's but never quite reaching the next tier. On the strength of Daytona and Indianapolis, McMurray is probably the best candidate, but he's hardly been consistent, so you never can be certain of which McMurray you're going to get on a given week. Bowyer will probably make it and contribute nothing to the Chase. Apologies for the double-post (27 and 41). I submitted one, which didn't appear, and then attempted to place it up again, and now both are here. 45. petty43 posted: 08.08.2010 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) what a road race should be like. that was a good race and JPM got me a win for the bowtie. i do not care that he is a foreigner, i just think he is a overated asshat, who threw his crew chief under the bus and now he has to thank him, i actually kind of wanted JPM to win so he would have to acknowledge that his team and Crew chief are fine he just is not that great, but i am glad that he at least admits that nascar is the most fun he has had racing, formula one included. 46. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.08.2010 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm shocked Montoya actually put a whole race together for once! He qualified up front, led pretty much the whole race and won. I kept waiting to see what he would do to screw himself out of this one. But also, like someone else said earlier, this is to be expected more so than not when you consider that his background involves more road courses than NASCAR has. Allmendinger scores his second career top-five finish. I hope to see more coming from him in the future. I'm on Stewart's side regarding the issue with Said. Boris nearly pushed him off the track, and Tony held his line. It's unfortunate that Boris crashed, but kudos to Tony for holding his ground. Andy Lally continues to show us NASCAR fans that he is a road-racer, as he drove the TRG #71 to one of its best finishes of the year. 47. I love Japan posted: 08.08.2010 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't watch this race. I did however see that Everybody's favorite underdog David Reuitmann finished 23rd... that's funny right there peeps! Ever since his win at Chicagoland, he has fallen from 15th to 18th in points. His Avg. Fin. since Chicago is 22.66. His Average Start is 27.66. He has been non-competitive and has not come lose to leading laps. I love it when I am right and the rest of you are wrong! Reutimann is mediocre. His win was nothing but a last hurrah. 48. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.08.2010 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes Denny has a right to be mad about his day being ruined by a bonzai move by Kyle Busch, somebody he doesn't like in the first place (and understandably so). But to stand there and say they shouldn't be doing that because it is only for 8th place is ridiculous. Every time it looks like he's matured he says something dumb like that. Tony went too far in my opinion. Yes Boris drives like an idiot out there since he only has to race with these guys twice a year, but Tony shouldn't have turned him head on into the wall like Carl did at St Louis. There has to be a better way to get your message across. 49. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.08.2010 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have to say one thing. I was wrong about the Ganassi/DEI merger which led to EGR. I thought it was a desperation move between two sinking ships that would simply cause them to sink together. But the combination of the braintrust at Ganassi (Chip, Felix, Tony Glover, Steve Hmiel) and DEI's connections with Chevrolet and their previous merger with Childress on engines has worked out fantastically. Brian Pattie and Bono work really well together. And the addition of Jamie McMurray has lifted the overall team morale. As somebody said earlier, they have done more with the ECR engines than RCR with 3 wins on 3 different types of tracks. RCR has two wins, both plate wins. Yes, RCR is WAY more consistent than the erratic McMurray and the talented but hot headed JPM, but EGR seems to have more overall speed when they are on. I hope Jamie can make the cha$e, provided they don't go conservative if they do. I just think the #1 team deserves it most. Mark and the #5 team just haven't had it this year. The #33 is doing the typical RCR thing of not winning, not contending, but avoiding DNFs. Newman awoke from his coma to win Phoenix, but went right back to sleep. But the #1 team, despite their stunning inconsistency have won twice (the two biggest races), have 3 heart breaking runner ups, and the most poles so far. So I think they deserve it more. 50. 18fan posted: 08.08.2010 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards still hasn't led a lap that was not during green-flag pit stops, and he started on the pole by over a third of a second today. 51. RR posted: 08.08.2010 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can we put away the "OMG JPM didn't choke" bullshit for one week and just admit that in this race, JPM delivered an absolute ass-whipping? And I don't want to hear the "he didn't win on an oval" caveat, because the road courses are among the toughest circuits on the schedule. They require great car control, and precise rhythm. In regards to the Chase, I had absolutely no idea that Jeff Burton is now sitting third in points, and is virtually assured of a spot in the Chase. I realize that that fact is mostly irrelevant in the Chase era, but I started thinking about Burton's chances. Yes, RCR cars usually race in a way that, in essence, locks them out of a chance for a championship. But, there are several factors that fall their way. RCR is running as good as they have been in years, and they are actually in contention for wins. And out of the three RCR teams, the #31 is the team that would most likely take the risks that would be necessary for them to compete (see Charlotte, 2008). I've also noticed that Burton has been a tad more aggressive this season than in previous seasons (his deal with Kyle Busch at the 600 was also un-Burtonlike). Burton probably won't have too many chances left for a title, a fact that he may start to realize. Of course, there are many "what ifs" that are associated with this, but it wouldn't shock me to see Burton mix it up with Johnson, Busch(s), Hamlin, et. al. 52. i posted: 08.08.2010 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) what did woodbrothers 21 say? 53. 18fan posted: 08.08.2010 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) woodbrothers21 put 100% blame for the Gateway incident between Keselowski and Edwards on Brad and said he failed at the end of that race. 54. Jeremy Siple posted: 08.09.2010 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently #5 missed the Klan meeting and decided to post on here instead... 55. Manny posted: 08.09.2010 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yay, Juan Pablo! Viva Juan Pablo! His first victory since 2007! Although I placed a bet on Stewart and then lost, I gotta give props to JPM for his victory. I mean, it's not everyday you see a nascar driver of non-white origin winning races these days. So, well done Juan Pablo. 56. Patrick posted: 08.09.2010 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) pretty good race, Juan and Marcos were the cars to beat a majority of the day yesterday. congrats to Juan on the win, congrats to Target for getting their first win as a sprint cup sponsor. JPM I think will eventually win on an oval, just a matter of time. 57. nascar8899 posted: 08.09.2010 - 2:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Thank the Good Lord Kurt got around Ambrose at the end. I was cursing at my screen all race long, having to watch two foreigners race for the win. This isn't the NASCAR I grew up with. Never thought I'd see the day I saw foreigners finish 1-2 in a race, and I hope I never do." I think this guy was just trolling. Either that, or he just hates auto racing. 58. joey2448 posted: 08.09.2010 - 3:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) for the last 3-4 years, i've always noticed jeff burton and kyle busch seem to be racing around each other alot. the busch race at vegas in 07 when jeff got around kyle on the final lap and sent him spinning across the line was when i first started noticing. they are always racing each other. charlotte this year, they got into it again..... today they got into each other and sent jimmie spinning. 59. Anonymous posted: 08.09.2010 - 6:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Boris Said, karma's a bitch." lol, what? what has he done to deserve bad karma in your opinion? 60. Neal posted: 08.09.2010 - 8:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to JPM, but until he wins a handful of oval races he's a glorified road course ringer a la Robby Gordon. I don't have a problem with foreign drivers in NASCAR...yet. Now if it ends up like the IRL where 3/4 of the field is foreign-born then I'll stop watching (if today's version of "good racing" doesn't turn me off completely first). 61. the_man posted: 08.09.2010 - 9:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan on a 25th place finish: â??I felt like our UPS Ford was actually a little better than that. I made a mistake with about 10 laps to go and wheel hopped getting into turn six and let three or four guys pass me. If it wasnâ??t for that mistake, we probably could have finished 20th or so. The good news is we stayed on the track and I donâ??t think we lost many points.â? 62. Frank posted: 08.09.2010 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's just hilarious how some people defending Stewart when he did almost exactly the same thing Leffler did the day before. Tony was moved from the track by Boris? If somebody forces you out - don't move yourself! Golden rule from Talladega works on other track too 63. Sunoco posted: 08.09.2010 - 10:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ Post 60 why do you care what country the drivers are from? Shouldn't Nascar have the bestd rivers in the world, rather than just the best in a single country?+ 64. Cooper posted: 08.09.2010 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was anybody watching Brad at the end of the race. The dude was flying. He restarted at the back on the last restart and raced up all the way to 20th. Something must have clicked for him to start passing guys like Biffle, Carpentier, and Papis. NASCAR I'm ashamed of you again. Robby was smoking big time with a couple of laps to go and NASCAR refused to bring the caution out. This is a carbon copy of what started the caution brigade years ago. NASCAR has to throw the caution, when there is an abundant amount of smoke from a race car. NASCAR realized that it was the safe thing to do after Kasey Kahne got screwed out of a win at Dover in 04. If NASCAR allows this to go under the rug, another driver will lose a race win in the near future. NASCAR hasn't thrown a pack-em-up caution in a month in a half. 65. Frank posted: 08.09.2010 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cooper, have you been watching race at Pocono last week??? Of course we all impressed with 200+ long run at NHIS, clean Indy (!) and clen Chicago (!!!) but I should remind that abcense of "pack-em-up" cautions isn't something extraordinal - it is NORMAL. And we can't just forgive them Pocono because Chicago was clean or whatever. 66. Eric posted: 08.09.2010 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RR, It is true that winning on a road course requires great car control, and precise rhythm, but there is a catch in Montoya's case. Montoya has a good amount of experience in stock cars, has more experience at road racing than a majority of the field and has a great record at road racing. The difference between Montoya and Sam Hornish, Jr. at road racing is Sam Hornish, Jr. was never great at it in open wheel. Montoya needs win at an oval because he is know starting to get a label that a Nascar driver doesn't want to get. Some members of the media is labeling him as a glorified road ringer like Robby Gordon. That is problem since Nascar has 34 ovals a year. That label is almost as bad as a Nascar driver can't win except for plate races like Micheal Waltrip. 67. martin-n-rusty posted: 08.09.2010 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cooper, but if NASCAR would of thrown a caution because of that, I'm sure the complaints would be flowing just as well (not saying you would say that, just the fan base in general) 68. Neal posted: 08.09.2010 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @63 - I'm not in the minority. Why do you think F-1 has never caught on in America? Why do you think that drivers from both F-1 and the IRL say that there need to be more Americans in their respective series? 69. Cooper posted: 08.09.2010 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) martin, i just don't want someone going through the esses at 150MPH with oil on the track. It would be a disaster. Smoke from under the race car should be an automatic caution on lap 1 or lap 300. Simple as that. 70. RLewis9 posted: 08.09.2010 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Stewart overreacted by wrecking Boris Said. Yeah, Boris ran him off the track...but pay him back by bumping him out of the way or something, don't blatantly wreck the guy. Almost as bad as what Carl keeps doing, except Carl likes doing it to guys running high speeds. 71. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.09.2010 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Was anybody watching Brad at the end of the race. The dude was flying. He restarted at the back on the last restart and raced up all the way to 20th. Something must have clicked for him to start passing guys like Biffle, Carpentier, and Papis." I know. He ran like shit all weekend in the #12 car, and during the race he hovered anywhere from 27th to 35th depending on attrition and the S&P cars parking. But yeah, he went from like 28th to 20th on that last run. I noticed they pitted under every single caution. No reason not to as they were usually one of the last 5 lead lap cars every time. Maybe they found something. Because he was GARBAGE for the entire weekend until the end, and suddenly started passing pretty good cars. I didn't think he'd finish in the Top 30. 72. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.09.2010 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, Boris ran him off the track...but pay him back by bumping him out of the way or something, don't blatantly wreck the guy." Exactly. NASCAR need to drop the hammer on people who turn people blatently on straightaways. That is just wrong. It was wrong when my guy, Earnhardt, did it in 1986, and it is wrong today. They can still "have at it boys" without turning people on the straightaways. If you must wreck somebody, wait until they get to the corner, nudge them at the apex, and they will back into the wall, completely crumpling their rear end, putting the driver at minimal danger since the rear end of these cars will absorb so much of the impact. But of course this is Tony Stewart we are talking about. He wrecked Kenseth in '06 on the straightaway at DAYTONA, tried to wreck Kyle Busch on the straightaway at Vegas a few weeks later but ultimately failing (and costing himself a spot in the cha$e and, in my opinion, the '06 championship). He wrecked Clint Bowyer on the straightaway at Pocono in '06. He tried to wreck Vickers on the straightaway at Kansas in '08 before failing again. 73. Talon64 posted: 08.09.2010 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Tony/Boris incident was a case of a lack of give and take where Tony could've let up and given him the spot or Boris could've given Tony enough room to go two wide into the S's, but Tony ended up taking the most; he was really lucky that he didn't cause a repeat of what happened in the Nationwide race. JPM gets his 2nd career Cup win, both on road courses. He's the 10th driver to have won at both Infineon and Watkins Glen. With the #42 going to victory lane, every one of Chip Ganassi's team have now won a race this year: The #1 and #42 in Cup, the #9 and #10 in the IRL and the #01 in Grand Am. They've combined for 14 wins this year, which includes the Daytona 500, the Indy 500, the Brickyard 400, and a record-tying 7 wins for the #01 with Scott Pruett and Memo Rojas this season. Chip Ganassi swept his weekend of races, winning the Grand Am race with Pruett and Rojas and the Cup race with JPM at Watkins Glen, and the IRL race at Mid-Ohio with Dario Franchitti. Kurt Busch made his 350th career Cup start, getting his best career road course finish (previous best was 3rd at Infineon in 2005). It's his 4th top five in 20 road course starts, although he has a pole each at Infineon and the Glen to his name. It's Kurt's 7th podium finish of the season which ties Kevin Harvick and Jimmie Johnson for the most on the year. Marcos Ambrose gets his 3rd straight podium finish at Watkins Glen, which is responsible for half of his 6 career top fives in Cup in 69 starts. AJ Allmendinger gets just his 2nd career top five in 102 Cup starts (best career finish is 3rd in the 2009 Daytona 500). It's his 2nd top ten in 6 road course starts. Carl Edwards won his 5th career Cup pole, getting his 5th straight top ten and 3rd top five in that span. This was just his 5th top 10 start of the year, his previous best was 8th at Bristol. Jamie McMurray started on the front row for the 5th time this season, getting just his 2nd stand-alone top 10. It's his 2nd top ten in 8 starts at the Glen and just his 3rd top ten in 16 total road course starts. Tony Stewart gets his 4th straight top ten and 8th in the last 9 races. It's his 10th top ten in 12 starts at the Glen but his worst finish in the last 7 races there (had 6 straight finishes of 1st or 2nd going into the race). Kyle Busch gets just his 2nd top ten in the last 3 races, but it's also his only top tens in the last 8. It's his 5th top ten in 6 starts at the Glen. Jeff Burton finishes in the top 10 for a 5th straight race, his longest streak since he had 6 in a row in 2008. It's just his 4th top ten in 17 Glen starts, and 9th in 34 starts on the road courses. Jeff Gordon gets just his 2nd top ten in the last 9 races at Watkins Glen. Kevin Harvick had a top ten finish in the bag until he had a flat tire on the last lap. He settled for his 18th finish of 11th or better in 22 races this season. Ryan Newman finishes 12th for a 2nd straight race, but it's his 5th straight without a top ten. It's also Newman's 4th straight finish outside of the top 10 at the Glen. Matt Kenseth's top 10-less streak reaches 9 races, although it's his 8th finish between 12th and 18th during the drought. Sam Hornish Jr. has back-to-back top 20 finishes for just the 3rd time this year (season high is 3 straight). It's his first top THIRTY finish on the road courses in 6 starts. Martin Truex Jr. has back-to-back top 20 finishes for the first time since Darlington and Dover back in May. Paul Menard gets his 5th straight top 20 finish. 16th is his best finish at the Glen in 7 starts. Kasey Kahne gets his 3rd finish of 17th, 5th of such or better, in 7 starts at the Glen. But he's still looking for his first top ten there. Sports car ace Andy Lally gets his best career Cup finish in 18th. Brad Keselowski finishes in the top 20 for a 4th straight race. 74. Smokefan05 posted: 08.09.2010 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Congrats to JPM, but until he wins a handful of oval races he's a glorified road course ringer a la Robby Gordon." Robby has won at NHIS in Cup and Richmond in Nationwide. So the "road ringer" nickname doesn't apply to Robby. 75. Neal posted: 08.09.2010 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Robby has won at NHIS in Cup and Richmond in Nationwide. So the "road ringer" nickname doesn't apply to Robby." The old adage even a blind squirrel can occasionally find a nut applies here. Robby's stats on ovals are horrendous. Sprint Cup Track Type Starts W T5 T10 Oval 335 1 6 28 Road Course 25 2 10 11 So yeah, he's a glorified road course ringer. 76. Kit posted: 08.09.2010 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "JPM deserved it today. And to me it takes away some his "chokeiness" from last year." How? He just won another road course race, like you'd half expect him to considering his background. His choke jobs are on oval tracks, which consist of 34 races a year. 77. Kit posted: 08.09.2010 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I was wrong about the Ganassi/DEI merger which led to EGR. I thought it was a desperation move between two sinking ships that would simply cause them to sink together. But the combination of the braintrust at Ganassi (Chip, Felix, Tony Glover, Steve Hmiel) and DEI's connections with Chevrolet and their previous merger with Childress on engines has worked out fantastically. Brian Pattie and Bono" They are still not quite on the same level they were in '01 and '02. However, a lot of that might be due to the current drivers. I think this move gave Ganassi a pulse but I don't really expect them to become another powerhouse in a few seasons. Ganassi tends to micromange too much. It seems like their current success is just a slowing down of their eventual decline. 78. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2010 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Posts 5 and 26 is why so many people look down on NASCAR fans. Simply embarrassing. As far as Montoya being a road ringer, great. Better to be a specialist than a master of none. 79. martin-n-rusty posted: 08.10.2010 - 3:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DaleSrFan, you forgot with Tony Stewart wrecking Matt Kenesth. He wrecked him days after saying drivers should use more common sense with the restrictor plate races, and not try to wreck guys. Cooper, I agree with that too, the way I said it though, its just a sad statement of what seems like a lot of the NASCAR fan base today. Yes, NASCAR does throw some questionable cautions now and again, but there have been enough of those cautions to make the legit ones even look bad, and it puts NASCAR in a bad spot. 80. GTHO_PhaseIII posted: 08.10.2010 - 5:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "martin, i just don't want someone going through the esses at 150MPH with oil on the track. It would be a disaster. Smoke from under the race car should be an automatic caution on lap 1 or lap 300. Simple as that." You obviously don't watch anything else besides NASCAR, a series that is unfortunately governed by skirts who would throw a caution a pigeon landed on the track. They did the right thing by not throwing the yellow. 81. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.10.2010 - 10:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "DaleSrFan, you forgot with Tony Stewart wrecking Matt Kenesth. He wrecked him days after saying drivers should use more common sense with the restrictor plate races, and not try to wreck guys." I remember that, and I should have mentioned that. His attempts to become the "sheriff" of the garage area can only be described as a fail. "They are still not quite on the same level they were in '01 and '02." They were really good that year. Imagaine if they had a decent driver to compliment Sterling instead of Jason Leffler (in '01) and Jimmy Spencer (in '02). I'm still bummed he got hurt and didn't win the Winston Cup in '02. That would have been so cool. I'm sure his acceptance speech at the banquet would have been priceless. Sigh. 82. Talon64 posted: 08.10.2010 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The old adage even a blind squirrel can occasionally find a nut applies here. Robby's stats on ovals are horrendous. Sprint Cup Track Type Starts W T5 T10 Oval 335 1 6 28 Road Course 25 2 10 11 So yeah, he's a glorified road course ringer." Robby's first Cup win was actually on an oval; NHIS in 2001 when he drove half the season, mostly for RCR. Although it might be one of the biggest upset wins in Cup history. In his 3+ years with RCR, Robby had a 21.2 average finish on the ovals with 1 win, 4 top fives, 20 top tens and 137 laps led in 111 starts. He also won the pole for Atlanta in 1997 driving for Felix Sabates, his only career Cup pole. He led 42 laps and finished 14th (Dale Jarrett led a dominating 253 laps in getting his 9th career win). 83. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2010 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Those weren't exactly RCR's best years either. Harvick only had 2 wins in that time period. And Robby also has an oval win in CART. 84. Talon64 posted: 08.10.2010 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Those weren't exactly RCR's best years either. Harvick only had 2 wins in that time period. And Robby also has an oval win in CART." Actually, Harvick had 5 wins in the 4 seasons Robby drove for RCR; he finished 5th in the standings in 2003, the year Robby swept the road courses and finished 16th in the standings. Although the #31 team really fell apart late in the year; after winning the Glen and finishing 6th at Michigan Robby was 10th in the standings, but then they had a 26.9 average finish with only two top 20 finishes in the last 13 races to really fall down the standings. 85. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.10.2010 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Neal's stats say all that needs to be known about Robby's career on RCs vs ovals. With less than 1/13 as many RC starts, he has more wins and more Top 5s. Since he started his own team he can get Top 5s on RCs but on ovals a good day is only finishing 1 lap down, a complete non factor. Even in good equipment, he almost never contended for an oval win. It has been a horrible decision he has made since starting his own team to put so much of their focus on road courses, which NASCAR only races on twice a year. 86. Smokefan05 posted: 08.10.2010 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Even in good equipment, he almost never contended for an oval win." I guess you've forgetten how many times he had a shot to win at Talladega when driving for Richard and himself, most notably 2003 (both races), 2004 (both races), 2006 (Spring race), 2008 (both races including both Daytona races) 2004 fall Tally race he should have dumped Harvick and went for it himself. 87. Talon64 posted: 08.10.2010 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unfortunately, based on that Robby's best tracks still only make up 1/6th of the season. Robby's career average finish on short tracks is 30.6, and that only improved to 25.4 in his time with RCR. A 4th at Richmond in 2003 is his only top ten in 59 short track starts. Robby only has 3 tracks where he averages 20th or better, the best being Watkins glen at 13.3. The other two are Daytona and Talledega right at about 20th, then Atlanta's his best normal oval track at 21.6. Robby has top ten finishes at 14 of the 21 oval tracks he's run at in Cup, and the most he's had at a non-RP oval is Dover and Loudon with 3 in 18 and 20 starts respectively. 88. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2010 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Actually, Harvick had 5 wins in the 4 seasons Robby drove for RCR." How do you get any of that? Robby joined RCR in late 2001 and drove 3 seasons for them. Harvick had 1 win each in 02 and 03. He didn't even get his 5th CAREER win until Robby was gone. Robby was actually out performing Harvick in 02, and RCR swapped their crew chiefs mid-season, which was total BS. "It has been a horrible decision he has made since starting his own team to put so much of their focus on road courses, which NASCAR only races on twice a year." Not at all. Those two races are his only real chances for a win. He ran well at the plate tracks for a while, but no one would draft with him. 89. Cooper posted: 08.10.2010 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Robby is doing fine. I can't believe fans have the nerve to down a driver that has made 2.1M this year. And he don't have to split that with no one. All he has to do is pay for the cars and crew. If he doesn't want to pay 1.5M for state of the art stuff he doesn't have to. Robby Gordon doesn't run in the back because of his driving ability, it happens because that's all he can handle. Plus NASCAR isn't his #1 priority, he is much deeper into the off road stuff. I've always stood up for Robby when he is downgraded and always will. The dude is talented. 90. Anonymous posted: 08.10.2010 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A 4th at Richmond in 2003 is his only top ten in 59 short track starts." And might we mention that he made up 4 laps on his own to get that 4th? 91. martin-n-rusty posted: 08.10.2010 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That I can agree with Cooper. Robby has immense talent. It would show if he focused fully on NASCAR. If he fully focused on NASCAR, and nothing else, and used the most of his opportunity in a RCR car, he could of had at least 10 or 20 wins, and would of made Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon look like damned fools when it came time to get on the road courses. If Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson had the same mindset as Robby Gordon (NASCAR is ok, but lets focus on the other stuff), they would probably have the same stats as well. 92. Sean posted: 08.11.2010 - 2:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 86 Smokefan05, who DOESN'T have a shot at winning a plate race in the right car? And since Robby was driving for RCR then, the equipment did not suck on plate tracks. Okay, DEI was the best but for a time there even in RCR's lean years you could make a good argument that they were the second best on plate tracks even though they weren't getting the wins... 93. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.11.2010 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smokefan, I love ya dude, but pay attention to my quotes: "he --------> almost <------------ never contended for an oval win" I didn't say he never did. But again, Neal's post says a LOT. Yes he had some good runs on ovals, but those are few and far between, even when he was in good equipment. Somebody mentioned the Richmond '03 race where he had a flat tire on Lap 2 or something, lost 4 laps, made them up with no lucky dog or wave around, and finished 4th. I also remember him having a really good run at Atlanta once in his own #7 car (I'm thinking it was '06, but I could be wrong), running in the Top 5 all day before pissing it away by speeding on the last pit stop. And I've never disputed his talent, I've disputed his mental capacity. Felix Sabates' infamous "idiot switch" comment comes to mind. Yes, he is his own person and has the right to go about life and racing how he sees fit, I just think the way he does it is a total waste of talent and money. That's just my two cents. 94. Tom posted: 08.11.2010 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When you say "He doesnt split the check with no one" you are actually correct in the way that he pays his pit crew, crew chief, fabricators, and everyone else on his team. Ah the joy of pointing out double negatives. 95. Ryan posted: 08.11.2010 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why are we having this long of a discussion of Robby Gordon? 96. DaleSrFanForver posted: 08.11.2010 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Juan PABLO Montoya, the Mario Andretti and Anthony Joseph Foyt Jr of his generation 97. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.12.2010 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How 'bout that. I've got an impersonator. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. I just hope my next impersonator can spell "forEver". 98. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.12.2010 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bill Stavola is getting back into NASCAR. That's a blast from the past. I'll never forget that #8 Snickers car. It always made me want a Snickers every time I saw it (as opposed to present times when the Snickers car makes me hate Snickers). I was a little too young to really remember their success with Bobby Allison. I also remember the #8 Raybestos car and Sterling Marlin almost winning at North Wilkesboro with it. 99. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.12.2010 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why are we having this long of a discussion of Robby Gordon?" Because people wonder what really could have been of his Cup career. He's too much of a hothead and burned too many bridges to reach his full potential in Cup. 100. Talon64 posted: 08.12.2010 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Penske's reaffirming that Sam Hornish Jr. is staying in NASCAR for 2011. But they still need sponsorship for next year so it still seems up in the air for now. 101. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.12.2010 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Because people wonder what really could have been of his Cup career." Exactly. Again, I know its his life and money and he is free to do with it as he chooses, but he has the talent to have gone down as one of the all time greats (outside of the deserts). Instead of being talked about for generations to come, he is already being forgotten about while he is still running the Series full time. 102. I love Japan posted: 08.12.2010 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Marcos Amborse probably just scored his last Top 10 of the season. Hey Marcos, learn how to drive on Ovals. It might help you.... 103. columbian posted: 08.12.2010 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) it is his life, dale, and he apparently enjoys it, so let him be......he never had the talent to be an all time great though......somewhere, pearson and petty are having a chuckle over that comment 104. Talon64 posted: 08.13.2010 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin Conway's out of the #34 ride. In related news, there IS a God. 105. GTHO_PhaseIII posted: 08.13.2010 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Marcos Amborse probably just scored his last Top 10 of the season. Hey Marcos, learn how to drive on Ovals. It might help you...." I still believe he'll have a better Cup career than Montoya. 106. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.13.2010 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "he never had the talent to be an all time great though......" I disagree. Some of the things I've seen him do in a car while focused are amazing. "somewhere, pearson and petty are having a chuckle over that comment" Petty and Pearson are in the rarified air that is even above "all time great". In fact, along with Earnhardt, I refer to those three as the "Holy Trinity" of NASCAR racers. 107. petty43 posted: 08.14.2010 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cale and jeff gordon should probably be right up there with your holy trinity, as well as maybe bobby, who i reluctantly must admit, probably had more talent behind the wheel than richard. thats hard to admit even now. for me those 6 are in there own class. here is a fun new topic who are your 6 worst drivers of all time, one for each decade? 108. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.14.2010 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's so funny that you mentioned that: I was gonna say that my next three were Cale, Bobby, and Darrell. I think Gordon comes in just behind them, but that is a spot that JJ will probably eventually take over, and he may also replace Darrell in the Top 6. I have Darrell ahead of Gordon because the majority of his success came in the really difficult events. Only Richard Petty can claim being better than Darrell on the short tracks. Tons of wins on the high banks of Bristol, the flat as can be Martinsville and Old Richmond Fairgrounds, and the quirky, somewhat banked Nashville and North Wilkesboro. He has quite a few road course wins, all at Riverside (when the Glen and Sears Point showed up on the schedule, he was at the tail end of his prime). Almost half of his intermediate success came in the World 600. He won that race 5 times, compared to the other intermediate races (the fall Charlotte race, 2 Atlanta races per year, 2 Michigan races per year, Texas World back in the day, and a host of cookie cutters that showed up when he was past being past his prime), he has 7 total wins in them. He also won a lot at tracks that cannot be categorized like Darlington and Pocono. Just my two cents on that. Worst drivers of each decade: I was only alive for the 80s, 90s, and 00s, I can't really speak to the earlier decades. So here is my list for those decades: 1980s: Michael Waltrip 1990s: Michael Waltrip 2000s: Michael Waltrip Some honorable mentions: Rick Wilson in the 90s. After some promising runs in the #4 car in the late 80s, he never did anything worth a damn after switching teams in 1990. Kenny Wallace in the 90s and his few years in the 00s. Mike Wallace in the 90s. Jimmy Spencer in the 00s. Brian Vickers in the 00s. Reed Sorenson in the 00s. Sideways Sam and Scott Slow in the past few years. 109. I love Japan posted: 08.14.2010 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers isn't that bad. If you'e gonna say Vickers, at least mention Mears too. Mears has got to be one of the worst. Elliott Sadler should be there on that list also. 12 years and all he's got is a fluke year called 2004. Honestly, that car should have been better that year too. 110. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.14.2010 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You're right, I should have mentioned Mears. Just for the hell of it, here is my "Worst Driver of the Year" awards since 2000. 2000: Michael Waltrip Started every race, got 1 Top 10 (one of his two career short track Top 5s oddly enough). 2001: Michael Waltrip How do you win an emotional Daytona 500, breaking a 460+ race winless skid, and follow it up with only two more Top 10s (both runner ups, but still) and a points finish outside the Top 20? 2002: Casey Atwood A complete dogshit season from "The Next Jeff Gordon" 2003: Kenny Wallace When your sponsor comes to you at the end of the season and says "we want you to run the Busch Series instead so we can get SOME TV time" your year has sucked. 2004: Jeff Green Petty Enterprises was bad, but not THAT bad. 2005: Jason Leffler Denny Hamlin took that car over at the end of the year, somebody with less than one year worth of NASCAR experience at the time, and finished in the Top 10 with it over and over. 2006: Jeremy Mayfield Ran like crap all season, bitched about his new team, could barely keep the car in the Top 35, got canned, and began possibly the ugliest career downward spiral I've ever seen. 2007: Michael Waltrip Possibly the worst season ever. Made the Daytona 500 after getting caught with JET FUEL in the car, then DNQed every race until Summer started, and ran like pure shit when he was in the field. 2008: Michael Waltrip One finish better than 10th: the fluke Loudon race. Points standings don't totally reflect it, but was badly outrun by MUCH less experienced teammate David Reutimann. 2009: Paul Menard Last among drivers to run all the races, zero Top 10s, only got the ride because of his billionaire Daddy. 2010: Elliott Sadler The new Michael Waltrip. He is a complete sad sack. He can't run worth a shit and is only there because he sued the company. 111. Smiff_99 posted: 08.16.2010 - 10:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dunno....for 2001, I'd have said Buckshot Jones. 30 starts, no top 10's, 10 DNF's, 5 DNQ's, TWO finishes on the lead lap, and an average finish of 32.9. 112. nascarman posted: 08.22.2010 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What makes Lally's run much more impressive is that he drove the entire race with brake problems. He had a firm pedal but when he pushed it he didn't have as much stopping power as all the other cars. 113. Wikus van de Merwe posted: 08.29.2010 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If the tables had been turned 100% between Fat Tony and Boris, Fat Tony still would've called Boris the idiot 114. Rusty posted: 04.09.2011 - 3:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with that list for the most part DSFF, but instead of Elliott Sadler. The 2010 worst driver award goes to Kevin Conway. His 2010 campaign was one of the biggest jokes I've ever seen in NASCAR. For some unknown reason, Extenze saw something in the dude and gave Bob Jenkins money to let him be the slowest car on track every week for 20 weeks or so, all the while Bob had to keep shuffling him from car to car to make sure he was in the top 35 so Extenze could be in the race every week. Then after Front Row Motorsports had enough, they booted him where he ended up going to Robby Gordon and ran a few races for him before another ugly seperation that resulted in Robby assaulting Conway in the garage. I don't see how that award could go to anyone but Conway. 115. Daniel posted: 05.21.2012 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #46 J.J. Yeley & #66 Dave Blaney Out using fastest 43: #34 Kevin Conway & #37 Travis Kvapil 116. BigWill20 posted: 05.13.2015 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #'s 7&07 - Speed Energy #18 - America's Favorite M&M's Character Ms. Green 117. BigWill20 posted: 05.13.2015 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry about this The 7 and the 07's sponsors should still be SpeedFactory.tv 118. RaceFanX posted: 12.27.2015 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race ultimately proved to be Juan Pablo Montoya's second and final Sprint Cup victory before he left the series for IndyCar after 2013 season. It was his only Cup win in a Chevy and his only one at the Glen. 119. SweetRich posted: 02.16.2020 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Commentators For The Race Were Marty Reid, Dale Jarrett And Andy Petree. The Pit Road Reporters Were Dave Burns, Jamie Little, Mike Massaro And Vince Welch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: