|| *Comments on the 2010 AAA 400:* View the most recent comment <#122> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Lordlowe posted: 09.26.2010 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The John Cena of Nascar wins again 2. Anonymous posted: 09.26.2010 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AND SO IT BEGINS..... 3. Schwab posted: 09.26.2010 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A.J. Allmendinger easily sets a career high for laps led in a single race. His previous best was 17 laps led at Phoenix in April of this year. This was the first time that the #43 car has led over 100 laps in a race since Bobby Hamilton led 331 laps at Martinsville in 1996. 4. ii posted: 09.26.2010 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger deserved it. He just had a bad break when his right rear whent down. 2 possible cha$e destroyers have problems, Truex and Allmendinger Gordon also was running well until his problems What happened to Kahne and Harvick? I thought Harvick was in the top 10? 5. Schwab posted: 09.26.2010 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson's sixth win at Dover puts him one win behind Richard Petty and Bobby Allison for most wins at the track. Joey Logano is the highest finish Gibbs car in a race for the fifth time this year. Paul Menard scores his best finish at Dover with a seventh. His previous best finish was 19th in this race last year. Matt Kenseth's finish of 18th due to missing pit road and having a flat tire broke his streak of five consecutive top 5 finishes at Dover. 6. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.26.2010 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Cue up the Superman theme song. He is coming through to save the day. (And by "save the day" I mean "make the day a lot less interesting") Harvick and Hamlin screw themselves this weekend. Hamlin goes in the media center on Friday and shoots off his mouth about RCR. Whether what he said was true or not, when you HAVE THE POINTS LEAD you don't want to make enemies. That was stupid. He had JJ 90+ points in the hole, and coughed 60 of it right back up. Then Harvick rams him in practice, destroying his fender and losing valuable practice time while that was repaired. I guess he didn't learn anything about practice time from the Atlanta debacle of '06. Hey Harvick, THEY ARE JUST WORDS YOU MORON! How about channelling that into your driving? Make him pay in the worst possible way: By beating him. You didn't because you are stupid. Jimmie and Chad had to be laughing their asses off as this was going on. This is the best chance in a LONG time to see another team besides the #48 win the championship, and it is being pissed away. Oh, and Kyle: Good job fading at the end. In the Spring you did your best in the final 100 laps. In the Fall, in the cha$e when it actually matters, you did your worst in the final 100 laps. And please tell me you don't really think running for and winning last year's NWide championship is really gonna help you in the Cup cha$e. You beat Mr 2nd Place himself: Carl Edwards. This year, he can't even beat a guy who can't finish better than 18th in the Cup Series (my favorite driver, insert joke here). And for the love of God, can somebody ban ESPN from using the word "history"? 7. Schroeder51 posted: 09.26.2010 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AJ Allmendinger had a great run in this race. Potentially could have won this race or at least have finished in the top 3 had he not had a tire problem. 8. shmonko posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great, a Jimmie Johnson win. Now we'll have to hear from his number 1 fan, DaleSrFanForever. I'm guessing he'll provide a bunch of stats trying to try and prove how good Jimmie Johnson is (dude, we know, we all already know he's great, STFU), while simultaneously claiming he's not a fan. Denny Hamlin and Kyle Busch notch their second consecutive top 10's to open the Chase. They might be the only ones to challenge Johnson for the title. I don't have any faith in Harvick anymore, after he pissed away my respect by pulling one of the dumbest, dirtiest moves I've ever seen in PRACTICE. Way to retaliate to WORDS (that were true by the way), by bullying the points leader in the pits and on the track during practice, then screwing up your own car, and running a ho-hum 15th in the actual race (by the way, Hamlin beat you). Harvick should be ashamed of himself, and so should Childress for grinning like a jacka$$ and supporting such behavior from his best chance to win a title. Maybe they ARE just dirty cheaters, or maybe they're pissed that Denny Hamlin has won more races this year than his drivers have combined for the past few seasons. 9. Eric posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin was in the top 10 during the race before the team made a wrong adjustment and the team didn't recover. This is the fastest Dover race since the 1997 fall race. I kept track on amount of caution flags in 2009 and 2010. Right now 2010 has almost 1 and half less caution flags a race in average than 2009. According to my excel spreadsheet, there was an average 8.47 cautions a race in 2009, and the average in 2010 so far is 7.04 cautions per race. The different is Micheal Waltrip not running full time,no David Stremme, and Robby Gordon not racing in all the cup races. 10. AHDIW posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does everyone still hate the Gibbs drivers too much to root for them over Johnson this year? How about Harvick? or Kurt Busch? Because those 4 unlikable A-Holes are the best chance NASCAR has to end this boring reign of Jimmie "all the luck falls my way and the chase tracks happen to be my best tracks because of lucky scheduling" Johnson. 11. Eric posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I forgot another reason for the amount of cautions going down. There isn't as many races affected by rain in 2010. 12. New 14&88 posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As expected the 48 team pounds the field into oblivion on their way to scaring their sixth win in what is supposed to be a "bad" year for them, Allmendinger ran great leading the second most laps(a career high for him)before a flat tire put him two laps back...coming back from that to finish tenth is still impressive though. "Harvick and Hamlin screw themselves this weekend. Hamlin goes in the media center on Friday and shoots off his mouth about RCR. Whether what he said was true or not, when you HAVE THE POINTS LEAD you don't want to make enemies. That was stupid. He had JJ 90+ points in the hole, and coughed 60 of it right back up. Then Harvick rams him in practice, destroying his fender and losing valuable practice time while that was repaired. I guess he didn't learn anything about practice time from the Atlanta debacle of '06. Hey Harvick, THEY ARE JUST WORDS YOU MORON! How about channeling that into your driving? Make him pay in the worst possible way: By beating him. You didn't because you are stupid." The minute Diva opened up his yap about RCR, I figured somehow it'd end up blowing up in his face.As for Harvick I can understand wanting to stick up for your boss but to try and wreck some one in PRACTICE and ruin your own car in the process is beyond asinine...at least Jeff Burton gave Richard something to celebrate coming from 27th to finish 2nd. 13. Anonymous posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And for the love of God, can somebody ban ESPN from using the word "history"?" For the love of God, how about you buy a dictionary? You're the only one who decides if that history is important or not. 14. Bronco posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see DSFF is already in here running his ignorant mouth. Your boyfriend Jimmie Johnson is still overrated. He's an average driver running for a team and crew chief that are so far ahead of the competition that if he doesn't win the next two championships he'll have underperformed. By the way, when are you going to switch your name to JimmieJohnsonFanForever? Just do it and get it over with already. 15. JakeTV370 posted: 09.26.2010 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's 1999 all over again. This year has had a very low amount of wrecks. :P 16. RLB posted: 09.26.2010 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon sweep's 11th at Dover this season. 17. Android posted: 09.26.2010 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle's car faded at the end because of a bumpstop problem. Had nothing to do with him driving the car 18. Bronco posted: 09.26.2010 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 6th win at Dover makes it JJ's most successful track along with Charlotte and Martinsville. This is the 4th straight race where he has led the most laps, and has won 3 out of those 4, with the two fall races being won from the pole. Heartbreak for AJ. This looked like the day when he would finally win a Cup race. If he doesn't pull it off in the next 8 races, he will definitely win next year. This was probably the best run for the #43 car in a long time. Now that Kahne is leaving, it looks like he will be driving junk cars for the rest of the season, and his result proves it. Good run for Menard too. This is his best run at a track shorter than 1.5 miles in length. I don`t think its unrealistic to think that he will win a Cup race eventually. Why is Conway starting and parking even with sponsorship? 19. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.26.2010 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Had nothing to do with him driving the car" Yeah, the car just drove itself into the wall. 20. potatosalad48 posted: 09.26.2010 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) great job by team 48 today. i'm happy again. 21. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 09.26.2010 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had a feeling the 48 would be strong this weekend, I was just hoping I'd be wrong. This makes it JJ's 6th win of the year and he is now within 35 points of Hamlin for the points lead. At the very least, I look for him to win two more of these Chase races. Again, if I'm wrong I'll be the first to celebrate. Why should I be surprised about the Hamlin/Harvick tangle up? You get two immature hotheads together, they're going to clash. Harvick more so looks dumb because he rammed Denny in practice and damaged HIS OWN CAR, and cost himself practice time. I don't know if it would have made a difference for today, but I'd really hate to put myself in that position. 22. Android posted: 09.26.2010 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #14 - You realize he hit the wall before he took the lead right? 23. I Seize the Day posted: 09.26.2010 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, atleast I won 10 dollars, And why the f*ck would ESPN cut to commerical with 11 laps to go? 24. calegale33 posted: 09.26.2010 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Heartbreak for AJ. This looked like the day when he would finally win a Cup race. If he doesn't pull it off in the next 8 races, he will definitely win next year." I think the same could be said about Logano. He looked good at Richmond and he had another good run today. He might be a sleeper to win a race by the end of the year and maybe can contend to make the Chase next year. ESPN seemed to ignore him most of the day it seemed like. Mark Martin at least showed some signs of life today. He had his qualifying time DQ'ed and had to start from the rear but at least found himself contending for a top 10 by the end of the race, which is something he really hasn't been doing over the last 8 or 9 weeks. 25. Anonymous posted: 09.26.2010 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "17. Android posted: 09.26.10 - 8:17 pm #14 - You realize he hit the wall before he took the lead right?" Logic and Reason are not in DSFF's vocabulary. 26. Eric posted: 09.26.2010 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, It was likely that Conway was told by Nascar to park it. Kevin Conway is known to be very slow and could have been off the minimum speed on the track according to Nascar. In some races this year, Conway had been at least 5 laps down before Nascar told him to park it without any damage. 27. Bronco posted: 09.26.2010 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It was likely that Conway was told by Nascar to park it. Kevin Conway is known to be very slow and could have been off the minimum speed on the track according to Nascar. In some races this year, Conway had been at least 5 laps down before Nascar told him to park it without any damage." That's not it. Conway has parked in all of his starts in the #7, so obviously Nascar isn't parking him each week. Given that Conway is off the pace right from the drop of the green flag, I don't think they would wait 100 laps to park him if that was their intention. The Carl has led 4 straight races and hasn't finished worse than 12th since the start of July. I hope he wins soon. 28. Smiff_99 posted: 09.26.2010 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was anybody else apalled that ESPN went to commercial with 11 to go and didn't come back 'til 5 to go? 29. 18fan posted: 09.26.2010 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I knew Jimmie was going to win this race once Allmendinger had the flat tire. Burton sweeps 2nd place finishes at Dover this year. 30. Neal posted: 09.26.2010 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 88,000 official attendance? They must be counting grounds crew, concessionaires, parking lot attendants, and janitors. 31. Neal posted: 09.26.2010 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 21. Smiff_99 posted: 09.26.10 - 9:00 pm Was anybody else apalled that ESPN went to commercial with 11 to go and didn't come back 'til 5 to go? ----- When you consider that, on average, ESPN runs about 5 laps of green flag racing between commercial breaks, not really. 32. Smiff_99 posted: 09.26.2010 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, the commercial saturation has been abysmal for a while now, but seriously..........what happened today was a new low in broadcasting. 33. hyperacti posted: 09.26.2010 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " 3. ii posted: 09.26.10 - 5:35 pm What happened to Kahne and Harvick? " I'm pretty sure I saw Kasey Kahne blow a tire. The camera crew completely missed this, and by the time news reached Marty Reid he simply called it a "debris caution". Later, the crew was shown picking up chunks of rubber. It happened very fast. They were on Ryan Newman or something and Kasey's car was in the corner of the screen. Then his car left the corner of the screen but you saw chunks of rubber flying everywhere from where he just was. Then the yellow came out. Thought I saw him pull right down to pit road after that too. Can't be sure. Espn NEVER documented or mentioned it. 34. Mike posted: 09.27.2010 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a borefest. Seriously, why does this track have 2 races? 35. 18fan posted: 09.27.2010 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The whole broadcast sucked and I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how stupid it was to go to commercial with 11 to go and come back with five to go. They also go to commercial after the first 7 or 8 laps in every race. Kurt Busch had a strong comeback after a pit road speeding penalty. ESPN blows yet another minor incident out of proportion, this time every time an RCR car got near Denny Hamlin, they made it like there was going to be a wreck, just like every time Ryan Newman went by David Reutimann's battered car. Just when it looked like we could have a non chaser win, the two best shots go out of contention within 15 laps of each other. 36. Anonymous posted: 09.27.2010 - 1:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, the car just drove itself into the wall." Yeah, and Kyle Busch built his own car from the ground up, set it up completely by himself. He doesn't even have a crew chief. Jesus, do you even watch racing? He later took the lead after hitting the wall too. After every damn race you're in here saying something stupid. 37. Sean posted: 09.27.2010 - 2:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What a borefest. Seriously, why does this track have 2 races?" Because neither Dover nor Pocono are owned by ISC and both tracks would no doubt file lawsuits if NASCAR attempted to do that considering their conflict of interest as track owners as well. Tracks that are in danger are ISC tracks not in major metropolitan areas, as we have seen given what happened to Darlington, Rockingham, Nazareth, and Pikes Peak... I'm amazed (but pleased) a Martinsville date hasn't been axed by that rationale. Phoenix and Richmond have good races, but they're in major cities, so they have nothing to worry about. Dover's kind of blah but it provides some nice diversity especially compared to the myriad cookie-cutter ovals. 38. 00andJoe posted: 09.27.2010 - 3:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Josh Wise's first NNCS qualifying attempt. ---- I've wondered about Conway myself. When he was in the #34...er the #37...er the #38...he seemed to be at least trying to run the full race. Only 3 DNFs in 21 races. In the #7...0-for-4 on finishing races, 621 of 1625 laps completed. Not quite Start and Park territory, but close. And I noticed, especially today, that he seemed to be pulling into the garage off and on, then going back out again - enough to pick up another spot as a car fell out? ---- Related aside: maybe I'm weird, but it bugs me when a non-ROTY-candidate rookie driver runs more than seven races and sacrifices their candidacy (I'm looking at you, Landon Cassill). 39. 00andJoe posted: 09.27.2010 - 3:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Correction: Wise's second attempt, but first of the year. 40. Frank posted: 09.27.2010 - 6:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad to read that piece of cord was from something real and not just some reason for fake caution. And what a shame about lights cover fell off again. As I predicted, Kyle dominated in NWide and lost in Cup. But I thought he'll lose much more and will be far from top10. I also thought he'll get speeding ticket during last GFP but it didn't happen because he was out of contention for the win. So I'm completely disagree with DSFF's punishment on Busch - 18 wasn't dominant car from flag to flag like it was in May. Moreover I don't think that minor hit caused something serious. Also calm and patient interview from Kyle after the race. But Kansas will be another story and much harder for him... Kurt drove above my expectations. Nice rebound after fail in Loudon and speeding there. Suppose Dinger could do the same but didn't because lack of experience. Anyway, great job for AJ. In contrast Truex broke his axle by himself when pushed gas pedal before rear wheels was on the ground. P.S. ESPN flat-flat out sucks more and more. 41. Smiff_99 posted: 09.27.2010 - 8:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW......read my local newspaper this morning when I got to work.......in the article referencing yesterday's race, there is absolutely NO mention of AJ Allmendinger. That's f***ing sad. If he hadn't had that flat tire (or if Kenseth hadn't locked up his tires and brought out the caution), I'm prety sure AJ had 'em covered. Jimmie's car wasn't very spectacular when in dirty air (a somewhat common theme for him) and had AJ (and Truex) not had trouble, it wouldn't have been so easy for Mr. '4-Time'. Just another example of JJ having the second best car and having the lead fall into his lap. Yes, he DID have to maintain the lead AND pass Busch back for the win, but Busch had a 5th place car at best and at that point, JJ's car was untouchable. 42. the_man posted: 09.27.2010 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan on a 24th place finish: ??I felt like this was the best car we??ve had in a race here in a couple years, but we made two mistakes this weekend. First, we didn??t qualify our UPS Ford as well as we should have and second, we had that one mistake on pit road (loose wheel). When you get behind like that, you then have to race a different kind of race. You??re just trying everything you can to get back on the lead lap. I??m definitely looking forward to Kansas.? 43. Talon64 posted: 09.27.2010 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson picks up his 53rd career Cup Series win, putting him one back of Lee Petty for 9th all time and two back of Rusty Wallace for 8th. Jimmie also won his 25th career Cup pole, good for 26th all time, making it the 9th time in his career he's won from pole and the 2nd straight year in this race. Jeff Burton ends up with 2nd place finishes in both Dover races this season, giving him 15 top tens in 34 Dover starts. He's the only driver to finish in the top five in both Dover races this season. Joey Logano's 4th top five of the year, his 2nd in the last 3 races, surpasses his total from his 2009 rookie season. This was Kurt Busch's 80th career top five in 356 career Cup starts. It's just his 5th top five in 21 Dover starts but his 3rd in the last 4 races. Carl Edwards' 7th top five of the year equals his total from 2009, and his 15th top ten tops it. His finish lowers his already-all-time-best average finish at Dover to 7.7. Kyle Busch has a 5 race top ten streak going; his season (also career) best is 8 in a row. Paul Menard picks up his 4th top ten of the season; he's tripled his career total this season after just 2 in his first 111 Cup starts. Ryan Newman gets his 4th top ten in the last 5 races, with the other finish being an 11th; he's 3rd in points scored over that stretch. At his 2nd worst track in terms of average finish (21.4, the worst being Daytona), Denny Hamlin is just the 5th driver to finish in the top ten in both races this season. It's his 3rd straight top ten finish overall, shockingly enough his longest of the season. AJ Allmendinger more than quadruples his previous career total of laps led after leading 143 in this race. His 6th top ten of 2010 ties his career best, set last season. After his shocks failed post-qualifying tech, Mark Martin made up the most positions in the race and came from 42nd starting spot to finish 12th. Reed Sorenson picks up his 3rd top 20 in the last 4 races, his 4th in 10 starts in the #83 this season. 44. petty43 posted: 09.27.2010 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) well i must say that it was a pleasure for me to see the 43 run like that at dover again after all these years. good for aj. i also hated seeing jimmie win but i must say that he was really better than all other chasers today. also hated the commercial break with 11 to go UNDER GREEN FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!! that said if JJ wins the chase again, than i think it spaeks volumes to how low nascar's current talent pool is, which is a direct reflection on the shitiness of driver development right now, but thats another post. seriously though JJ contiinues to win chases because every other team has a major flaw, usually the driver or Crew chief. jeff gordon is good , but letrarte sucks, kyle makes terrible choices, kurt busch has both problems, denny has the mental touggness of a squrel nut. shit i suck at spelling and typing, but you get my point. really a terribles era for nascar, worst its been since 56 to 61. also to eric thank for the caution flag average per race, i have beem wondering for a couple weeks, but lack the ability to figure it out. good info nice post straight facts no opinated bullshit, i have a hard time doing that. anybody who feels that nascar always throw a a fake caution to bunch em up late is wrong, nascar is doing a fine job running the races, now they just need to improve the racing, quite screwing with the chase, i dont care about the titles, I WANT GOOD F ING RACES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 45. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.27.2010 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not a JJ fan, I'm just telling it like it is. Trust me, I am tired of watching him win over and over again. But I give credit where credit is due. It is like Jeff Burton said, JJ isn't good, he is great. Yes he has been helped by the fact his competitors are a bunch of immature dumbasses. Just look at the two drivers who are his biggest threat this year: Hamlin and Harvick. They both have a legitimate shot at the CUP SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP, and they get into a silly pissing contest that cost them both precious practice time. On a related note, they both finished worse than they did in the May race here. Why does Denny care if RCR is cheating? They got busted, and have less combined wins in the last 2 years than Denny does this year alone. Why go out of your way to spit in their face? And why does Harvick go out and destroy his own bumper in the process of his retaliation? If you are truly going to make him pay, go out and beat him on the race track, like 5 other cha$ers did. But at the end of the day, JJ's numbers speak for themselves. No average driver does what he has done, no matter what he is driving. It hasn't been fun to watch, but it has been true greatness. 46. Talon64 posted: 09.27.2010 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny's finish was worse, but it was still a top 10 at a track where his career average finish is 21st. Through two races he's put 30 points on Jimmie and for the last 8 races they should be pretty even. Both have made mistakes this year, but for Jimmie it's more than usual and for Denny it's less so I like that trend. 47. Cooper posted: 09.27.2010 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This all doesn't matter until Talladega. Most years the fall Tally race is lame because of the rules nascar enforces, but this year the place will be a junkyard. I ain't going to talk about the chase until that race. 48. Smiff_99 posted: 09.27.2010 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, I won't dispute JJ's talent. He's got it. He's clearly one of the 5 best active drivers right now. But let's be honest...........is he, or is he not, the single most fortunate driver in NASCAR? And AJ didn't do a thing wrong, either. I know that, yes, Johnson's competition likes to shoot themselves in the foot, but this wasn't the case yesterday. What we saw yesterday was a guy on his way to winning his first race, only to have Lady Luck snatch it from him and hand it to Jimmie. And Cooper......although this fall at 'Dega is gonna be all kinds of sloppy, it won't matter anyway. Just like the last 2 years, Jimmie will hang out in 37th-40th allll day long, then move up 25-30 spots when everyone in front of him wrecks. Yes, it's smart......but to me, it seems kind of cheap....regardless of who does it. I say go balls out, race your ass off and let the chips fall where they may. 49. martin-n-rusty posted: 09.27.2010 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And Cooper......although this fall at 'Dega is gonna be all kinds of sloppy, it won't matter anyway. Just like the last 2 years, Jimmie will hang out in 37th-40th allll day long, then move up 25-30 spots when everyone in front of him wrecks. Yes, it's smart......but to me, it seems kind of cheap....regardless of who does it. I say go balls out, race your ass off and let the chips fall where they may." Agreed. When Tony Stewart and Bobby Labonte started doing that years back when racing for Gibbs at the plate tracks, it just reeks. It's great strategy, just stay out of all the trouble while it happens far enough ahead for one to slow down, or have more than enough time to make the right moves, but from a competition standpoint, it just flat out reeks 50. petty43 posted: 09.27.2010 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) also was nice to have a full race in 3 hours, i liked that. 51. 18fan posted: 09.28.2010 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with the sentiments against the hanging back, but after Jeff Gordon won the fall Dega race by hanging back, more people have tried it and it works to get through the Big One and then mix it up a little bit to get a top 10 finish. I don't like it, but it has proved effective. 52. joey2448 posted: 09.28.2010 - 3:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) i've spent a little time looking through stats of past championship battles, and what really stands out to me is the fact that back in the day, championship contenders would usually have problems (engine woes, wrecks) that would tighten the points up...... look at 1992...davey allison took the points lead late in the season after bill elliott struggled through a bad race or two, but then davey wrecked in the season finale at atlanta, which then left elliott to duke it out with alan kulwicki. nowadays, guys like jimmie johnson just do not have "mulligans". jimmie posts ten top-10 finishes in a row to slaughter everyone else in the chase. every goddamn race he is up front fighting for a win, while guys like jeff gordon and matt kenseth wallow in mediocrity, even though they are great drivers. 53. Frank posted: 09.28.2010 - 5:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In my opinion Denny Hamlin worths respect for his attack on #33 on Friday. Just becuase we all tired hearing the same tolerant talks about things that are as simple as sharp. I really hated Hamlin after he protected fake cautions after Michigan but that time he just what he thought and now it was frankly too. Don't overestimate practice incident between 29 & 11 (Harvick is still immature and impulsive) in terms of preparation for the race. Both did good job for themselves and I don't think either Harvick or Hamlin will lose championship by <40 points they lost this Sunday to 48. 54. martin-n-rusty posted: 09.28.2010 - 6:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Frank, I would respect what Hamlin had said had his team not been busted a time or two in the past. 55. Smiff_99 posted: 09.28.2010 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The thing is, though, is that Denny knows that. And he'd tell you that, too. But the point he was trying to make is that since Richmond, RCR had kind of been made out to be some sort of martyr......even though, unbeknownst to the fans, RCR had apparently been warned waaay before Richmond. Although it wasn't Denny's place to tell us all, if what he said is true, then I'm not gonna even try to sympathize with RCR, because, like Denny said, they knew they were close months ago and still pushed the issue. 56. Smiff_99 posted: 09.28.2010 - 7:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) When WAS the #11's last rules infraction? I need a refresher. 57. petty43 posted: 09.28.2010 - 8:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) nice to see a race in under 4 hours for once 58. I Seize the Day posted: 09.28.2010 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3 hour races are too short, except when Johnson dominates. 59. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.28.2010 - 10:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else remember Magnet-Gate in 2008 for JGR? That was one of the most blatent cheating violations I can remember. The fact is pretty much every team has been busted for cheating in a big way. Especially HMS and ESPECIALLY Chad Knaus. Nobody should trash anyone for cheating. Hendrick has so many I don't even know where to start. RCR had two major penalties in 2005 with Harvick's team, and now this. Roush has seen the #17 and #99 busted heavily. JGR had the inexcusable Magnet-Gate. DEI has had the #8 and #1 busted. So no driver or team has any room to talk about cheating. And do you know who is probably the maddest at what Denny said? His crew chief (who destroyed him in the media after the race) and owner JD (one of the most politically correct people in the garage, and he made it clear what Denny said was unacceptable). His own team isn't lining up to stand behind him. In fact, they are lining up to rally against him. You know how sensitive Denny is. This can't sit well with him. And Harvick is Harvick. He is obviously more concerned about words than wins. If he is pissed at Denny (which he absolutely has the right to be), he should take it out on him on the racetrack. There is a precedence for this at RCR. In 1986, Darrell Waltrip won at the Fall race in North Wilkesboro, and cut Earnhardt's point lead to 122 with 4 races left. That might not sound significant, but first of all this was the era where the cars were VERY mechanically brittle. A blown engine was always just around the corner. And secondly, DW and Junior had just won 3 of the last 5 championships, including pulling one right out of Bill Elliott's pocket the year before. Afterwards, DW, always a shit stirrer, said something like "I'd put some psychological stuff in the papers, but Dale and his team can't read", a low blow towards a team in which most of their team, including Dale and Richard themselves, were high school dropouts. If this had been said about Harvick, he would flip out and totally self destruct. The combination of anger and pressure would doom him for good. But what did Dale do? He shrugged it off and made Darrell pay on the racetrack. In the next race at Charlotte, Dale overcame two flat tires under green flag conditions (losing a lap each time), made both up, and won the race, 2 laps ahead of Darrell. In his 22 seasons, that was one of only 2 Fall Charlotte race wins for Dale. Two races later at Atlanta, the second to last race of the year, with a 144 point lead, Dale dropped the dagger. Darrell blew up early, and with his competition down, Dale stomped on their throats. He led the most laps, lapped the field, and won the race while clinching the championship, RCR's first (Dale's second), beginning a run of 6 titles in 9 years while DW began a very ugly career spiral, with 1989 being his only bright spot (Dale still finished ahead of him in points that year). THAT is how you deal with a loud mouth. Shut 'em up by blowing them off the track. Not by hitting them in PRACTICE, hurting yourself as much as the other guy, then finishing behind them on a race track that has been bad for the other guy. That is weak. But then again, so is Harvick. 60. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.28.2010 - 10:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But let's be honest...........is he, or is he not, the single most fortunate driver in NASCAR?" That would be the guy who drives the #88 car. He got his big shot at HMS in '08, had a strong start, but has spent the last 2 and 1/2 years looking like pure bum shit. But guess what? He'll be back in that car next year. Plus, his owner gave him key members of the #5 team, which won 5 races last year and finsihed 2nd in points even though he's done nothing on track to deserve it. Second most fortunate is Elliott Sadler. How he has kept a ride these last 5 years, I don't know (oh wait, he sued the company). Yes, JJ got the chance of a lifetime in '02. That was a VERY fortunate break for him. But he has made the most of it and thensome. This was a start up team in '02. He won 3 races, and led the points late in the year. Granted, '02 was the sloppiest points battle since 1991, that still says something. In their second year, they won 3 more races and finished a distand 2nd to Kenseth in the points. Since then? They have annihilated the field. Yes he is lucky to be on such a good team in such a crappy era. It has inflated his stats. But still: 9 seasons, worst points finish 5th, 4 titles, 50+ wins. He is great. Very boring, but great. That is a fact. Undisputable. Pretty much every great has been given a chance of a lifetime break at some point, being an unproven driver given a shot in great equipment. From David Pearson being given a chance to drive Ray Fox's car at Charlotte (he won easily), to Rod Osterlund taking a chance on an unrefined dirt track driver named Earnhardt, to Rusty being given a chance at Blue Max Racing, to Hendrick giving a 21 year old Jeff Gordon a place on his high profile team, to Joe Gibbs picking up an Indy Car driver named Stewart, this is not unprecedented. Trust me, I've tried to pick JJ apart for the last few years because his domination got old quick. But I simply can't do it. I don't pull for him, and hope somebody steps up eventually to give him a legitimate challenge, but he is the best racer out there right now. Put him in the #24 car in the late 90's, and he might win 15 races in a season. 61. Bronco posted: 09.28.2010 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That would be the guy who drives the #88 car. He got his big shot at HMS in '08, had a strong start, but has spent the last 2 and 1/2 years looking like pure bum shit. But guess what? He'll be back in that car next year. Plus, his owner gave him key members of the #5 team, which won 5 races last year and finsihed 2nd in points even though he's done nothing on track to deserve it. Second most fortunate is Elliott Sadler." LOL, you're shitting me right? If he looks like bum shit, then it's the equipment that's making him look that way. Don't believe me? Look at Richmond-New Hampshire. Richmond he starts in the top 10 and drops like a rock from the start of the race and finishes 6 laps down because his team tried a new rear end setup. New Hampshire he qualifies like crap, races his way to the front and earns a top five despite two setbacks. The most fortunate driver in nascar by FAR is David Ragan. How a clown like that can still have a Roush ride with a big money sponsor despite sucking for 3 out of 4 years is beyond me. The three guys who were rookies with him back in 2007 (JPM, Allmendinger, Menard) have improved so much more. 62. Smiff_99 posted: 09.28.2010 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, I understand what you're saying, but that wasn't quite what I was getting at. What I was referencing is how he's ALWAYS the 'right place, right time' guy.........I've never seen anyone be that guy as often as Johnson. If you went back and examined every single one of Jimmie's 53 wins, you're gonna find sooooo many occasions where his INSANE luck has won him races. Again, I can't emphasize this enough.....HE IS INSANELY TALENTED......but he is, without a doubt, the single luckiest driver I've ever had the displeasure of watching. hahahaha I know I probably come off as a bitter douche by continuing to beat an already decomposing horse, but there's no way I'm the only one who recognizes this. 63. petty43 posted: 09.28.2010 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) what is wrong with hendrick motorsports? 64. petty43 posted: 09.28.2010 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ok bronco seriously menard and aj and ragan all have similar stats but the difference ragan has been in slightly better equipment i would call them a draw, who cares about any of them anyways dale jr is the biggest disapointment recent nascar memory for me. also smiff a current driver like JJ cannot possibly have as much good luck as guys like richard cale and david who all routinely won races because the other two or three great drivers at the time had misfortune, i would bet my left nut that JJ has not won more than 6 races becauses of circumstances that were beyond HIS controll in the car, like sunday for example you REALLY think AJ ALLMENDINGER WOULD HAVE OUT DRIVEN JJ OVER 100 GREEN FLAG LAPS, HELL NO HE WOULD HAVE USED UP HIS TIRES AND BEEN PASSED WITH 15 TO GO. that is what JJ is so good at, nobody is better at having more car late in a race than he is, and that aint cuz of his team, its all on him. it is the single greatest reason he has more than twice as many wins as kyle kurt carl or denny or anyone else right now over the last 7 years in cup, twice as many, how can anybody not give this guy full credit for wha he is doing. 65. petty43 posted: 09.28.2010 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) man that late commercial 66. Chris posted: 09.28.2010 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I doubt that AJ would have lost the lead with 15 to go, if he had been in the lead. He took the lead and pulled away, by more than a straightaway. If AJ were leading at the final round of pit stops, with the advantage Johnson had when he led during the final stops, I think AJ would have pulled it off. I knew the moment Kenseth caused the caution and AJ had just pitted, that it was Johnson's race. This always happens, Johnson will be running 5th all day and then the leader has an issue, and he all of the sudden dominates and wins. I can only hope that sneaky crew chief of his tried cheating up the car a bit, they get caught, and points get deducted. Doubtful, but I can always hope. 67. Talon64 posted: 09.28.2010 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who knows if AJ would've won the race if his tire hadn't gone down? The #43 could've always made a bad call on a set up change late in the race to tune themselves out of the hunt, while a team that's been there and done that like the #48 gets their car better to take advantage. I'd love to think AJ would've just stomped the field on his way to his first career win but we'll never know. But he's been running great lately and it's a good sign for him when he's takes the top dog spot at RPM next year. Of the guys who've come over from open wheel to stock cars since 2007, only JPM has adapted better than AJ and you could argue that they're equal, but winning Dover would've put him over the top in that regard. 68. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.28.2010 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see what you're saying Smiff. I'm just a believer that luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Yes, there have been many races where he got a good break, but the fact is he takes advantage of those breaks like nobody else has in recent memory. He is more of an opportunist than Gordon was in his prime. You give him the slightest opening, and he will pounce like a jungle cat (e.g. the Spring Bristol race). "If he looks like bum shit, then it's the equipment that's making him look that way." You mean equipment that is being worked on by the same people who worked on the #5 team last year when they won 5 races and finished 2nd in points to Superman? Since the beginning of 2009, the following people have won races while driving cars with HMS chassis and motors: Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Mark Martin, Tony Stewart, Ryan Newman, and Brad Keselowski. " you REALLY think AJ ALLMENDINGER WOULD HAVE OUT DRIVEN JJ OVER 100 GREEN FLAG LAPS, HELL NO" I agree. The 48 car was set up to be the best once the track full rubbered up. 69. Bronco posted: 09.28.2010 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Since the beginning of 2009, the following people have won races while driving cars with HMS chassis and motors: Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Mark Martin, Tony Stewart, Ryan Newman, and Brad Keselowski." Big whoop, they had a good 2009 season but HMS has sucked since then with the exception of the #48. To prove that, the #39 hasn't had a top 5 since their Phoenix win, the #24 hasn't had one since Chicago, the #5 hasn't had one since the 600. So you can't exactly fault Dale Jr for not having a good 2010 season when no one else is either. Oh, and I just have to take this oppurtunity to mention that Brad is now a mere two starts away from equalling Stremme's mark for 33 races in the #12 without a top 10. He also isn't improving any even though he has seen pretty much every track on the Cup circuit at least once. And even though he may not have announced it yet, anyone think that he won't run the full Nationwide schedule next year? 70. Cooper posted: 09.28.2010 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, to clarify with Brad, it was an old Hendrick engine and a Childress chassis that he won with at Talladega. So I guess you can give Hendrick half a win for that one. And I agree with Bronco, Dale Jr. actually hasn't had a bad season... they just don't seem smart enough to run a 500 mile race. Bronco is also right about Brad, and if Brad completes the season with no Top 10's he'll be the only Penske driver in history to race a full season and not record a Top 10. And Bronco, Brad will race in Nationwide next year because Discount Tire signed a two year deal with Penske as a sponsor, and I'm pretty sure they will expect Brad to run again. 71. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 09.28.2010 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "you REALLY think AJ ALLMENDINGER WOULD HAVE OUT DRIVEN JJ OVER 100 GREEN FLAG LAPS, HELL NO" I like AJ, but I agree. JJ seems to know just what to do to win, and exactly how to put pressure on other drivers. If not for the flat tire, he probably would have gotten a top-5 finish, but I don't think he'd have won. Which leads me to agree with this statement: "You give him the slightest opening, and he will pounce like a jungle cat (e.g. the Spring Bristol race)." "And even though he may not have announced it yet, anyone think that he won't run the full Nationwide schedule next year?" Unfortunately, he probably will. I haven't read anything that points otherwise. I'd rather see him improve in Cup and become a front runner there since it is the most important series. I can partly understand why he is after the NW title this year, but he pretty much has it locked up now, so I don't see any good reason for him to run full-time next year. 72. Frank posted: 09.29.2010 - 6:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, #59 Magnet-Gate was just beautiful answer to dumb restrictions on Toyota engines JGR prepared so great. I hate all restrictions for equipment that implemented during the season - if rules become bad you have to wait until off-season to make corrections. I'm following BTCC championship and what was done to Fords three times (!) this year is just destroying objectiveness of competition. No one can be punished for doing his job great. So I respect JGR mechanics - installationo of magnet-pad was a curious idea and confused J.D. a lot. It was just beautiful story and I'm happy that Toyota domination didn't stopped. About Hamlin and Mike Ford I'll read post-race transcriptions first. P.S. Also not sure that AJ could wrap the race against JJ but hope a lot we'll have another chance to check it soon. 73. Smiff_99 posted: 09.29.2010 - 7:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, he COULD have still lost it on his own, but seriously........A TINY F***ING WASHER! That's what what did it......until that point, AJ was running a perfect race. 74. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 09.29.2010 - 9:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Season is over...congrats Jimmie on your 5th title...now the chase is meaningless once again...Jeff Gordon is done and Harvick/Hamlin drama needs to stop because they are effectively ruining their chances. Bowyer nowhere near a chance and the race went pointless after AJ lost the lead for a tire. Too many start and parks once again...now Blaney is going to leave TBR after the season I predict. 75. Smiff_99 posted: 09.29.2010 - 10:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Start and parks are a travesty. I wish someone would put Joe Nemechek in a quality ride again. He is soooo underrated. Seriously, he won Loudon with Sabco in '99, he won in a mostly unsponsored #33 car for Andy Petree in '01, won richmond in '03 in the 25 car, and won Kansas for MBV or MB2 or whatever the hell they were called in '04. 4 different teams, 4 different tracks........ 76. Smiff_99 posted: 09.29.2010 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The win with Petree was at The Rock, no less. And it was a dominating performance. 77. fun gus posted: 09.29.2010 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) boring 78. petty43 posted: 09.29.2010 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) joe is past the point of doing anything great in a racecar now, the yuong guns would eat him up, i just wish he would stop taking adavantage of nascar to make monet, he has enough he should just quit it makes him look bad, and i like the guy. he had his shot with hendrick and did a little, but now guys like him and terry and bill should just stop showing up it is embarrassing just ask DW. 79. Smiff_99 posted: 09.29.2010 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, Bill and Terry need to hang it up. But I've seen quite a few occasions in the past year and a half where Joe's taken a sub-par car and put it in the top 15 in qualifying. For a team with little to no budget, I find that hard to ignore. Joe would surprise you if given the opportunity. 80. Talon64 posted: 09.29.2010 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh, and I just have to take this oppurtunity to mention that Brad is now a mere two starts away from equalling Stremme's mark for 33 races in the #12 without a top 10. He also isn't improving any even though he has seen pretty much every track on the Cup circuit at least once." For all intensive purposes, Brad had a top 10 finish at Atlanta. It's not his fault a borderline sociopath tried to kill him on the track. 81. Talon64 posted: 09.29.2010 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) intents and purposes, I don't know why I said "intensive". LOL 82. wallacefan posted: 09.29.2010 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i went to this race 83. petty43 posted: 09.29.2010 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i doubt that joe would surprise me or anybody he was mediocre at best when he still cared now he just collects a check and takes advantage of nascar, he is a leach. nascar should just stop giving purse money to anyone who finishes worse than 30th that would get rid of these annoying start and suck teams, and the mega teams would not even notice the difference in their bottom lines. 84. 18fan posted: 09.29.2010 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We can all say that Brad had a top ten if Carl did not wreck him. Yet the same thing could be said about guys who run out of gas, but we don't say, "Oh for all intents and purposes he had a top 10." Seems to always be different when it comes to Brad. 85. Fun Gus posted: 09.29.2010 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who is claiming to be me on post 77? Man up! 86. martin-n-rusty posted: 09.29.2010 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, true, but in that situation, Brad should of, and didn't because of some normal situation like running out of gas, getting loose and wrecking it (or falling victim to someone elses same misfortune). I think that is where Talon is trying to get at 87. Talon64 posted: 09.29.2010 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, getting dumped the way Brad did by Carl is NOT a normal way to have a race ruined. Especially when Carl had absolutely no rational reason to do it. 88. throttle stomper posted: 09.29.2010 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) go jimmie 89. Bronco posted: 09.29.2010 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, getting dumped the way Brad did by Carl is NOT a normal way to have a race ruined. Especially when Carl had absolutely no rational reason to do it." I don't want to open up yet another shitstorm here, but BK has no one else to blame for what happened to him at Atlanta. After all the havoc he caused at Memphis, and his unapologetic behaviour afterwards, Carl promised to make things interesting if that was the path BK wanted to follow. Less than a month later, Jason Ratcliff himself said that BK was just begging someone to wreck him at a higher speed track - and that's exactly what happened. Carl wanted to spin him out, the same way Denny did at Homestead last year without incident. Just because the winged CoT has all kinds of aerodynamic flaws doesn't mean that Carl went back to the garage, spoke to his crew, and calculated the best speed and angle at which to flip the car over and kill BK. When Jason Leffler came out on to the track at Nashville a month later and wrecked James Buescher for putting him in the wall in the first place, no one gave a shit. Why? Because Buescher's car didn't flip over while BK's car did, proving that all the controversy at Atlanta was due to the dramatic look of the crash rather than people being opposed to on track retaliation itself. 90. petty43 posted: 09.29.2010 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and so it ends 91. 18fan posted: 09.30.2010 - 9:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, in both the Leffler incident and the Carl-Brad incident, the car that did the wrecking came out of the garage with the intention of wrecking a lead lap car. Talon, I do understand what you are saying and I know it a unique situation that doesn't happen often, but I still think we can't talk about what could have been with something out of your control. Its like in baseball when the starting pitcher throws eight innings and leaves the game with the leader and the closer blows it, the starter should've gotten the win, but he doesn't. I think it is the same deal as Brad-Carl. 92. DaleSrFanForever posted: 09.30.2010 - 9:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am pretty sure Brad will run the majority of the schedule again next year. Most likely all the companion races, and probably the Cup off weekend races. He has publically admitted that running so well in NWide has kept his confidence afloat during his brutal Cup season this year. Hopefully he'll pass up the plane hopping weekends. I admire him for admitting that. They need to find a way to get chemistry on the Cup side like he has on the Nwide side, and like he had in Cup last year with the HMS cars. Penske builds fast race cars, and Brad showed in '09 he can compete (and win) in Cup. They have to figure out how to do it together. And as far as Atlanta, first of all Brad apologized publically for dumping Carl at Memphis last year, contrary to what has been said. Secondly, in the first incident, Carl was 3 lanes above Brad, his spotter told him the #12 was under him, yet he still cut all the way to the bottom across Brad's fender. Carl knew he was there, that was just him saying "I'm Carl Edwards, and you are gonna roll over for me, newbie". Brad didn't. Carl then watched the replay in the garage, and said on national TV that he cut across Brad's hood, just like he admitted at Talladega he tried to block and failed. Yet he still went after Brad. He was just mad that he didn't roll over for him. 93. Bronco posted: 09.30.2010 - 10:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Penske builds fast race cars, and Brad showed in '09 he can compete (and win) in Cup. They have to figure out how to do it together." Sorry man, but getting lucky on the last lap at Talladega on a breakaway move when half the field is either damaged or sitting in the garage doesn't prove shit. That's like saying Kevin Conway's 14th at Daytona in July proves that he can be competitive in Cup. The only thing that BK and Conway can compete for is the free pass. "And as far as Atlanta, first of all Brad apologized publically for dumping Carl at Memphis last year, contrary to what has been said." Yeah, ok, go ahead and watch the video again and tell me where this apology comes in. I'll help you out, he basically blamed it on short track racing, tire for being so slick, the track for being so tight, and the sun for being in his eyes before he even mentioned Carl's name. Then he said the harder and rougher you race, the more rewarding it is, so Carl righfully applied the same philosophy to him twice this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSZGKdLlvmo Besides, even if he did apologize, is there a rule saying that Carl had accept it? 94. I Seize the Day posted: 09.30.2010 - 10:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love this guy Bronco. I don't agree with most of what he says, but he makes some damn good points. And he is mean! With that, I say he is Kyle Busch of these posters. 95. Smiff_99 posted: 09.30.2010 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can I be Reutimann? 96. I Seize the Day posted: 09.30.2010 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sure thing brah 97. Cooper posted: 09.30.2010 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Uhhh, Bronco, Brad passed the 2nd most cars in that race, went from the back to the front at least 4 times, and had to suffer through 20 second pit stops. How you can say his performance wasn't impressive is confusing. Does he have to drive backwards to impress you? C'mon Man. 98. petty43 posted: 09.30.2010 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) post 99. Talon64 posted: 09.30.2010 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sorry man, but getting lucky on the last lap at Talladega on a breakaway move when half the field is either damaged or sitting in the garage doesn't prove shit. That's like saying Kevin Conway's 14th at Daytona in July proves that he can be competitive in Cup. The only thing that BK and Conway can compete for is the free pass." The times he was running top 10, top 15 and out-running Dale Jr. in a 5th HMS car in 2009 is pretty good evidence of how good Keselowski is. "Uhhh, Bronco, Brad passed the 2nd most cars in that race, went from the back to the front at least 4 times, and had to suffer through 20 second pit stops. How you can say his performance wasn't impressive is confusing. Does he have to drive backwards to impress you? C'mon Man." It's like reasoning with a brick wall. Haters be hatin'. LOL Keselowski might be the first Penske driver without a top 10 in a season in Cup, but he'll also be the first to win a NASCAR championship driving for Penske. Not nearly as credible as if it were in Cup but technically he's the first. And although Dover was a real big hit to their chances, the #22 Penske NNS team can still win the owners championship. 100. Bronco posted: 09.30.2010 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The times he was running top 10, top 15 and out-running Dale Jr. in a 5th HMS car in 2009 is pretty good evidence of how good Keselowski is." If he was any good, he'd have at the very least 3 or 4 top tens this year. I mean, even Brendan Gaughan and Travis Kvapil managed to do that when they drove the Kodak #77. Instead, he hasn't done better than 12th, which is only one spot better than his predecessor. Even his pole two weeks ago didn't translate to a good finish. "Keselowski might be the first Penske driver without a top 10 in a season in Cup, but he'll also be the first to win a NASCAR championship driving for Penske. Not nearly as credible as if it were in Cup but technically he's the first. And although Dover was a real big hit to their chances, the #22 Penske NNS team can still win the owners championship." Wow, how impressive, winning a Nationwide championship as a Cup driver. That's about as significant as Shrub being the first driver to win a Nationwide championship for his team in 2009. "Does he have to drive backwards to impress you? C'mon Man." Nope, just score some top tens in Cup and start running in the top 10 or 15 more often. The excuse can't be that he doesn't have experience, he has been to every track on the Cup circuit at least once now and has the benefit of three years of running Nationwide under his belt. 101. Talon64 posted: 09.30.2010 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, how impressive, winning a Nationwide championship as a Cup driver. That's about as significant as Shrub being the first driver to win a Nationwide championship for his team in 2009." Still better than Carl's complete fraud of a Nationwide championship. And as much as you try to put down Keselowski, there can't be a more disappointing driver in Cup right now than Carl; from 9 wins in a season to being 8 races away from suffering back-to-back winless seasons, not even Ryan Newman was such a disgrace after his fluke season. 102. potatosalad48 posted: 09.30.2010 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So I guess that makes me the Jimmie Johnson of this message board. I'll keep out of everyone's business and blow all your guy's doors off. 103. petty43 posted: 09.30.2010 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) all anybody here wants to talk about is the drivers nobody cares about screw joe nemechek and brad k and aj allmindinger, i mean c'mon people the chase is on and you want to discuss whether or not brad k sucks, ok lets fire up another discussion about whats wrong with roush or the surprising bad start for tony stewart, how about a bold prediction for the chase. just my two cents. 104. I Seize the Day posted: 09.30.2010 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kit is Tony Stewart maybe? 105. Smiff_99 posted: 10.01.2010 - 8:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) petty43, I tihnk the problem (at least in my case) is that we all have that feeling again.....that the inevitable will happen. You know, something about a fifth consecutive championship..... Well anyways, around this time of year I try to distract myself from talking about JJ or the Chase. It bums me out. 106. yippee posted: 10.01.2010 - 8:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) what a stunner 107. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.01.2010 - 10:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You can try to discredit Brad's partial '09 season in Cup, but it showed that, when he is in cars he is comfortable with, he can get the job done. His Talladega win was anything but a fluke. He handled those last few laps perfectly in a car that was unable to contend all day. He latched on to Carl, blew the doors off of the duo of June (winningest active driver at Dega) and Newman (who also had an HMS motor) then, in the trioval right before the finish line, he played it perfectly. He faked high, got Carl to jump off the yellow line, then dove low and got his nose up to Carl's quarter panel. It was game over at that point. Carl had two options: a) just stay high and watch Brad go by for the victory b) cut Brad off and hope he either backed out of the throttle or went below the yellow line like Regan did in '08 and DQed himself. He chose option b, Brad held his ground, and Carl went flying. Brad put Carl in that position. He followed that up with a strong 7th place finish in a 500 mile Darlington race, a fluke Top 10 at Loudon, a strong run at Chicago before he had to make an unscheduled pit stop, and 3 straight Top 15 finishes at Kansas, Charlotte, and Fall Dega. Yes it was erratic, he crashed himself out of Vegas and DNQed at Dover, but his 12 races with HMS equipment were pretty good for a rookie not running full time. Brad CAN compete in Cup. And Penske builds really fast cars. They just need to find chemistry. 108. petty43 posted: 10.01.2010 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) post 102 um no 109. Talon64 posted: 10.01.2010 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor Bayne is going to replace David Ragan in Cup 2012. I'm calling it now, after Roush has signed up Bayne for the rest of the NNS season and likely (hopefully) full time in 2011. 110. petty43 posted: 10.01.2010 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) good for trevor, 111. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.01.2010 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope you are right Talon. We really need new blood in Cup, and I think Trevor can provide that. 112. potatosalad48 posted: 10.01.2010 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At post 102, I was bored. Don't judge me. 113. awesomegordonfan posted: 10.02.2010 - 6:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seriously, he won Loudon with Sabco in '99, he won in a mostly unsponsored #33 car for Andy Petree in '01, won richmond in '03 in the 25 car, and won Kansas for MBV or MB2 or whatever the hell they were called in '04." What's wrong with you? Sabco, Petree, and MB2 were mediocre, and the 25 (Hendrick) was, well, Hendrick. But, you're still right, Smiff_99, the start-and-parks need money. 114. awesomegordonfan posted: 10.02.2010 - 6:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) An overall boring race, anyway... no real wrecks, 7 start and parks, plus Hornish, and Harvick is losing his points lead because of the cha$e... and another cha$er wins again. 115. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.02.2010 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) We can argue all day about things that can't be proven, but there is one fact: NORTH WILKESBORO, I AM COMING BACK TO YOU!!!!! I can't wait. I missed their re-opening weekend, I won't miss this one. Kansas? In the immortal words of the wise sage himself, Homer Simpson, "BOR-ING!" Gonna go see some real stock car racing where it all began, in the mountains of North Carolina. It's also where it all began for me, in April 1990 at the age of 6, my first ever race. 20 and 1/2 years later, I'll be back. Suck it Bruton and Bob Bahre. 116. petty43 posted: 10.02.2010 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i loved having wildsboro on the schedule, wish they would run at least an exhibiotion there or something. 117. petty43 posted: 10.02.2010 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) nationwide in kansas or college football, geez let me scratch my ass and think about that one 118. shyster posted: 10.03.2010 - 12:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) go team 48 119. 18fan posted: 10.16.2010 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch goes over 1,000 laps led this year, second to Jimmie Johnson. Third straight year Kyle has gone over 1,000 laps led, after a maximum of 637 in his years at Hendrick. 120. Daniel posted: 05.21.2012 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #26 Jeff Green & #64 Josh Wise Out using fastest 43: #5 Mark Martin & #37 Tony Raines 121. Jonathan posted: 06.03.2013 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin Harvick's 15th place finish pretty much lost him the championship in 2010. Such a shame because he ran top 10 in all of the other races. 122. Rich posted: 09.24.2020 - 7:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Marty Reid, Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett were the commentators. Dr. Jerry Punch, Dave Burns, Jamie Little and Vince Welch were the pit road reporters. Tim Brewer was in the ESPN Craftsman tech garage. Allen Bestwick, Rusty Wallace and Brad Daugherty were in the ESPN pit studio. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: