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  1.   Ryan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 7:52 pm
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Wow, what a day of drama and racing


  2.   Anonymous posted:
  11.07.2010 - 7:56 pm
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I thought Kenseth had it. He just had to hit the wall out of 2 with 2 to
go. Great fight between the 2 Jeffs.


  3.   Brad posted:
  11.07.2010 - 7:56 pm
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I will start off by saying that I have lost all respect for Jeff Burton.
And for me that's saying a lot. Gordon has been my favorite for many
years. Burton has always been one of my favorites. Clean racer, likeable
guy. Plus he's from my home state of Virginia. All of that is now gone.
You don't wreck a guy like that under caution. That was uncalled for. I
think that scuffle made a statement for the rest of NASCAR.

I wish Gordon would have did that to Kurt Busch at Martinsville.

I definitely don't agree with the #24 crew pitting for the #48. Little
Jimmie is finally being seriously challenged for a title and HIS OWN
crew can't get the job done.

Congrats to Denny on doing the Texas 2-step and getting the points lead.
Momentum is definitely on his side right now.


  4.   potatosalad48 posted:
  11.07.2010 - 7:57 pm
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Jeff Gordon and Jeff Burton went at it on the backstrech after Burton
put the 24 in the wall. Gordon doesn't usually confront someone unless
they did something wrong.


  5.   Andrew posted:
  11.07.2010 - 7:58 pm
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Kyle Busch flips off a NASCAR official and gets held multiple laps.
Jeff Burton wrecks Jeff Gordon, and Gordon tries to punch his lights out.
Jimmie Johnson's crew is not so hot on the first few pit stops, so Chad
Knaus replaces them with Gordon's crew after his car is totaled.
Trevor Bayne gets a 17th place finish in his first Cup start.
Matt Kenseth comes back to nearly win it from a lap down.
Jimmie Johnson isn't leading the Chase with 2 races to go for the first
time since 2005.
And Denny Hamlin gets both his 8th win of the year and the points lead.

What a race!


  6.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:03 pm
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For those that would complain about Kyle Busch flipping off an offical,
and getting busted for it (just pre-emptive, just in case)...

In baseball, you flip off an umpire, he will give you a digit right
back, and it would be a thumb.

In soccer, you flip off a referee, and the ref will give you a card in
return, maybe a shade of yellow, possibly a shade of red.

In hockey, you flip off a referee, you will probably get 2 in the box
for unsportsmanlike conduct, and 10 for a Misconduct if the ref is in a
good mood.

In basketball, you flip off a referee, instant T, and possibly chucked
from the game.

In football, you flip off a referee, you just gave the other team 15 yards.

I think compared to most of the sports on that list, I think Kyle got
off quite lightly, unless more punishment comes along during the week


  7.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:04 pm
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Although I hate the cha$e with a white hot flaming passion, I have found
one thing I truly enjoy about having the cha$e: the chance to watch Kyle
Busch melt down year after year. M&M's: melts on pit road, not in your hand.

Only Jeff Burton can intentionally turn somebody into the wall under
caution and still be classy about it. I still don't like it, or in this
case even understand it. At least Gordon took his helmet off to fight
this time. And when did he become NASCAR's punching bag? Somebody
mentioned this on the Martinsville page, but this never would have even
been thought of a few years ago. Now Gordon has blatently been dumped in
2 of 3 races.

A great day of drama and suspense as it relates to the points battle,
and ESPN totally butchered the telecast. As usual. They really need to
clean house. This is exciting. This was a HUGE turning point for this
year's championship and for the NASCAR of the past 5 years. For the
first time since Tony Stewart and Zippy in 2005, a team is staring down
the 48 team and flat out beating them. And what does ESPN do? Suck.


  8.   Greg Gruver posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:05 pm
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Two races in a row Kyle Busch has cursed at NASCAR officals. (Sat
Nationwide race and Sun Cup race). He should be suspended at least one
race and if I was making the call, the rest of the season. Kyle is a
very good driver but needs to learn that rules apply to everyone.
Cursing in interviews and giving the finger to officals who are just
doing the job that they have to do is no way to act with kids in the
crowd and wating on TV. Kyle keeps proving that he is just a spoiled
brat and needs someone to calm him down. If J.D. Gibbs won't do it then
maybe NASCAR should. He makes the whole team look bad.


  9.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:06 pm
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One other thing: Why would you bench your pit crew and bring in the best
crew on pit road, then not pit under the last caution?


  10.   Eric posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:10 pm
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Great run for the Wood Bros. Trevor Bayne gives the 21 team their best
finish since the first Atlanta race.

Denny Hamlin and the 11 team stepped up at the right time. The 48 team
is at their weakest form in years.

Jimmie's pit crew has been off before today and I thought it was their
weak link. During the chase, the 48 pit crew had a bunch of pitstops
that were 14 seconds or higher during the chase.

Phoenix is the key for the championship. If Denny wins Phoenix, all
Denny needs to do is ride in the top 10.

I don't know if Jimmie's pit crew can get the job done at Phoenix. That
team has finished well despite the pit crew for most the chase. It isn't
the easiest to pass at Phoenix and the pit crew plays a key role here.


  11.   racer x posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:11 pm
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Jeff Burton wrecks Jeff Gordon under yellow. One of the dirtiest moves I
ever witnessed in my life.

I do not understand why everyone respects Burton so much. He is just
like ever other driver to ever drive for Childress! Harvick, Hornaday,
Bowyer, Sauter, the drunk driver Wimmer, and that fella Dale Sr


  12.   Bronco posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:15 pm
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On Friday Sadler absolutely smoked the field in qualifying, setting the
new record for the fastest laps turned in by the new car, easily beating
the record that Dale Jr set back in March at Atlanta. It's a shame none
of that translated to the race, since he gradually faded out of the top
5, without even leading a lap.

Kyle flipping off the NASCAR official was absolutely hilarious. Its
total bullshit that they screwed his day by penalizing him 2 laps for
"unsportsmanlike conduct" while Kurt got away unpunished for his actions
at Martinsville.

Bayne does an incredible job coming from the back to finish 17th, on the
lead lap ahead of even Carl Edwards. This is the second best result for
the #21 this year, far better than where Bill usually finishes.

The Gordon/Burton fight was surprising, simply because I expected Gordon
to go after Burton when there was a little less attention focused on him.

Hamlin has the chase points lead with two to go. DSFF must be on suicide
watch right now.


  13.   joey2448 posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:17 pm
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My take on the Burton/Gordon scuffle: as soon as the caution waved, Jeff
Gordon pulled alongside Jeff Burton to send him a message saying he is
displeased with the way he was racing him.

Burton attempted to come back and say hey that's just racing, but the
two of them turned into each other unintentionally and wrecked. I don't
believe Burton meant to take out Gordon.

Season-long frustration reared it's ugly head in this race. I never
expected to see these two respected veterans bring out the fisticuffs.

Overall, a great day of racing and drama that wasn't artificially
produced by NASCAR! Between the Burton/Gordon fight, Kyle Busch flipping
off an official (hilarious!), Jimmie Johnson losing the points lead,
Denny Hamlin coming back from 30th to win it, and the late battle for
the lead with Kenseth, it was on-the-edge-of-you-seat excitement!


  14.   Schwab posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:24 pm
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Matt Kenseth's first top 5 finish since Michigan in August.

Joey Logano's last four finishes have been 7th, 6th, 5th, & 4th. By
Homestead he should be up to 2nd! It's the first time in Joey's short
Cup series career that he has had four consecutive top ten finishes.

Greg Biffle set a career high for laps led in a single race. His
previous career best was also at Texas when he led 219 laps and won the
April race in 2005.

David Ragan had his best starting position of the season and his second
highest finish of the season in this race.

Great runs by Paul Menard and Marcos Ambrose.

Kasey Kahne has finished ahead of the #9 car in the two non-restrictor
plate races that he has driven the #83 car in.

As previously mentioned, a great run by Trevor Bayne in his Cup series
debut. He finished higher than Bill Elliott did in that car at Texas in
April.


  15.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:26 pm
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I 110% concur with these two statements:
"This was a HUGE turning point for this year's championship and for the
NASCAR of the past 5 years. For the first time since Tony Stewart and
Zippy in 2005, a team is staring down the 48 team and flat out beating
them."

For the first time since 2005, Jimmie is going to need Homestead. The
only problem is Hamlin can latch onto the back of the Lowe's Chevy for
the next two races and Jimmie can lead the most laps plus win out and
still fall short in the Drive for 5.


  16.   awesomegordonfan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:26 pm
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DSFF, Johnson used TRACK POSITION. Even though Biffle was
unintentionally blocking him due to a loss of Gear 2, it was a good
move. Oh, and Allgaier is running Hendrick engines for Turner
Motorsports (see Nationwide page)


  17.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:26 pm
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Bronco, I'm looking though YouTube, and I don't see anything about Kurt
Busch flipping off an offical, not unless I am looking for the wrong thing


  18.   JakeTV370 posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:27 pm
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Jeff Gordon is doing absolutely terrible in the chase. Enough said.d


  19.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:28 pm
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"DSFF must be on suicide watch right now."

Nah. JJ, Hamlin, and Harvick. Whoever wins, I lose. I've accepted that
the champion will be somebody I don't want to see win it.


  20.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:30 pm
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"DSFF, Johnson used TRACK POSITION."

That's true. That is a good point. I just think that if I'm gonna
embarrass my pit crew on national TV, place myself in a delicate
situation like that, and rent out the team that had been best on pit
road all day, I'd take advantage of them. But I definitely see your point.


  21.   ii posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:30 pm
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Joey Logano's 2nd straight top-5, the first time in his career he's done
that


  22.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:36 pm
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awesomegordonfan is right.

Also, who knows, maybe the crew getting replaced like they did could be
a "wakeup call" for the rest of the 48 team to get their rear into gear.
We will definitely have to see how this pans out.


  23.   Ryan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:42 pm
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"For the first time since 2005, Jimmie is going to need Homestead. The
only problem is Hamlin can latch onto the back of the Lowe's Chevy for
the next two races and Jimmie can lead the most laps plus win out and
still fall short in the Drive for 5."

That's not true. Johnson can lead the most laps in both races and win
the race which would be 195 points each. While second places gets 170
points with five extra leading a lap.

Porn for me would be Johnson and Hamlin both have trouble or take each
other out and allow Harvick to win. Gay porn would be Hamlin
celebrating. He needs to be brought down a level. I never thought I
would say this but, if it comes down to Hamlin and Johnson only I hope
Johnson beats him. Poor Kevin, traditional Points Standings he would be
up 300.


  24.   CFont posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:46 pm
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"Bronco, I'm looking though YouTube, and I don't see anything about Kurt
Busch flipping off an offical, not unless I am looking for the wrong thing."

Pretty sure Bronco is referring to when Kurt Busch blatantly wrecked
Jeff Gordon on the straightaway at Martinsville, and got away with it.


  25.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.07.2010 - 8:54 pm
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CFont - Ok, that makes more sense. I think that one, while questionable,
could be debated as a racing incident.

And speaking of which. I have lost a lot of respect for Jeff Burton for
what he did to Jeff Gordon. I am all for boys have at it, I am all for
bumping a guy out of the way if you need to during a green flag, but one
thing one should NEVER do is bump and grind and try to wreck someone
under yellow. Way too much risk of having something happen tragically


  26.   Ryan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 9:17 pm
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I really think a lot of people are putting too much into the
Burton/Gordon deal. If you look at it on replay you can tell the front
of Burton's car got hooked on the back of Gordon's car and when he tried
to get loose it put Gordon into the wall.

Gordon acts like he has never did anyone dirty, but DSFF in right, he
has been getting dealt some blows the last few years that he never would
have gotten during his prime. Gordon's memory is short. When he was
going for the million in '97 he drove down on Burton at the end of the
race at Darlington. I know it was for a million, but still yet he did
drive dirty. And at the end of that race Gordon wanted Burton to
understand the circumstances and didn't care how he drove. It's a lot
different when the shoe is on the other foot, right Gordon?


  27.   Dodge posted:
  11.07.2010 - 9:20 pm
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Saw somewhere that Burton had the sun get in his eyes. I don't believe
Burton was trying to pull next to J. Gordon. I have never like Gordon
but I agree with Gordon. Burton I haven't liked since going to RCR.


  28.   00andJoe posted:
  11.07.2010 - 9:27 pm
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We went to see a race...and a hockey game broke out!


-Harvick got a huge break with that last caution, and his pit dice came
up 6's. He was going to slide back back back back back...[/ChrisBerman],
instead he charged forwards oin the restart and finished right where he
said he wanted to finish: two spots ahead of Jimmie Johnson.

...but he still lost points to the leader, since JJ's no longer top dog.


-Trevor Bayne runs a squeaky-clean race in the famed 21, and finishes
17th, on the lead lap, in his Cup debut. There's a good bet we'll be
hearing big things from this kid in the future. (The question is,
though, will he be another Biffle/Edwards for Roush - or another Ted
Musgrave?).


-The #48 team will either bounce back stronger, or disintrigrate this
week. Will be interesting to see what happens. If I was a gambling man,
I'd be betting on the latter...


-I would not be surprised, in the least, if Kyle gets cut from the 18
this winter.


  29.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.07.2010 - 9:39 pm
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Come on guys! Lets make this the most commented race on
Racing-reference! Lot of stuff went down today. Great run for my man Bayne!


  30.   rw posted:
  11.07.2010 - 9:45 pm
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In all that hysteria, Paul Menard bags his 6th Top 10 of the season!


  31.   New 14&88 posted:
  11.07.2010 - 9:47 pm
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"-I would not be surprised, in the least, if Kyle gets cut from the 18
this winter."


As much as he acts like a spoiled brat, I don't see Kyle getting canned
from the 18.Joe Gibbs giving him a major ass chewing would be within the
realm of possibility though.His antics today were beyond appalling.


  32.   18fan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 9:48 pm
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I felt really bad for Biffle, even with the transmission failing he
would've won without that caution.

The old Kyle Busch reared its ugly head again. If he could do it over
again he probably would've gone a little faster getting back to the pits
and not in the position to get held on pit road and set off the other
problems.

Kenseth has been passed for the lead inside of 2 laps to go 3 times at
Texas since 2007. ('07 spring by Burton, '07 fall by Johnson, '10 fall
by Hamlin)

Hamlin becomes second driver to sweep Texas in a season (Edwards in
2008) and only the third multiple winner at TMS. (Edwards fall '05, both
'08; Burton '97, spring '07; Hamlin both '10)

Both Texas races this year saw the dominant car lose.

David Reutimann's 15th place finish is not at all indicative of where he
ran all day. He and Harvick both lost the handle at the worst time.

Kenseth lost a lap due to an unscheduled pit stop and almost won, Burton
had come back from a loose wheel to get into the top 10, then fell back
into the Gordon incident, and Ryan Newman rebounded from losing a lap
due to his seat belts coming loose and was in the top 10 until the last
pit stop.


  33.   Anonymous posted:
  11.07.2010 - 10:03 pm
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I would hate to be Gil Martin. Even Childress is being a dick on the
radio. The #29 team has been the best all year and will lose the title.


  34.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  11.07.2010 - 10:34 pm
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*Sigh* I guess I have to see the championship won by Denny Hamlin this
year. I don't like any of the three drivers in contention, but I'd
rather see Johnson win if the other two contenders are Hamlin and
Harvick. But I just don't see the #48 making much of a challenge after
Chad Knaus switched pit crews with the #24 team after their exit. Team
morale has to be destroyed over there right now. Plus, Denny has had
more speed lately.

I don't blame Jeff Gordon one bit for wanting to punch Burton's lights
out (and this is coming from somebody whose #2 favorite driver is
Burton!). I'd have reacted the EXACT same way if I were wrecked like
that under caution. And it's pretty much the whole combination of things
that have happened to Gordon lately, like being dumped by Kurt Busch at
Martinsville two weeks ago that will get a driver on the edge like that.
Also, Burton can say all he wants that he didn't mean to do it, but
looking at the replay, it sure looks like he meant to do it. I'll still
root for him on race day though.

Complete heartbreak for Greg. He led pretty much the whole day until his
transmission went bad and that caution coming out at the end. At least I
can still say RFR would be winless this season if not for him.


  35.   18fan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 10:54 pm
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About 1/3 of Joey Logano's 89 career laps led came in this race. It was
also the third time he's led more than 10 laps in a race.

To show what a farce the chase is, Matt Kenseth has the same number of
top 5s and two less top 10s than Logano, yet Kenseth is 5th in points
while Logano is sixteenth. Joey's late season run reminds me of
Kenseth's 2007 when he finished 5th, 4th, 2nd, 3rd, and 1st in the last
five races.


  36.   Android posted:
  11.07.2010 - 11:04 pm
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Like many have said here before, Kyle Busch is an extremely talented yet
extremely flawed driver. He's way too emotional inside the car, just
like a young Tony Stewart. Hopefully Gibbs can get through to him,
because until that happens he will continue to destroy that team's
chances of ever winning a title. And that would be terrible, considering
the talent being wasted.

DSFF you are 100% right about ESPN. It was another pitiful broadcast.
Horrible, tight camerawork. Marty Reid continuing to rehash the same old
storylines(JJ-Hamlin-Harvick)the whole race. It's like ESPN goes into
the race with a set of storylines and sticks to them, even when the race
turns out to be completely different. They are unable to just let the
race play out.


  37.   18fan posted:
  11.07.2010 - 11:13 pm
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I would actually rather have Bill Weber in the booth than Reid. Reid
blows the number of different leaders and lead changes way out of
proportion, half the time doesn't know what the hell is going on, and
just doesn't seem very knowledgeable about the sport. Weber was at least
knowledgeable about the sport, he just made so many mistakes in his
calls of races like "Harvick sweeps at Bristol... at Richmond" or his
tendency to declare "The caution is out the race is over" before the
race was declared over, but I would take him over Reid. And that is
saying something because I hated Bill Weber.


  38.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.07.2010 - 11:29 pm
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I like Reid simply because he brings alot of emotion and enthusiasm,
more so than most broadcast personalities.


  39.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.07.2010 - 11:35 pm
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"To show what a farce the chase is, Matt Kenseth has the same number of
top 5s and two less top 10s than Logano, yet Kenseth is 5th in points
while Logano is sixteenth. Joey's late season run reminds me of
Kenseth's 2007 when he finished 5th, 4th, 2nd, 3rd, and 1st in the last
five races."

I wouldn't blame the Chase on this as much as the actual points system,
because under traditional points, Kenseth would still be 8th to Logano's
16th.

I don't have a problem with this - Kenseth has been steady all year,
with I believe only 2 finishes outside the top 20 all year. I know alot
of people would say who gives a sh*t to that, but I think it is
something to be rewarded for. And Kenseth is being rewarded with a solid
points position.


  40.   joey2448 posted:
  11.08.2010 - 12:02 am
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Watching both Chad and Jimmie's interviews after the race, they don't
seem so confident as they have in years past...in fact, they both seemed
kinda nervous, like they might have to face the fact they might not win
it this year.


  41.   Anonymous posted:
  11.08.2010 - 12:56 am
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"M&M's: melts on pit road, not in your hand."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, OH MY GOD YOU ARE SO CLEVER AND FUNNY AND INSIGHTFUL
AND NOBODY HAS EVER MADE THAT JOKE AND I WISH THAT I COULD BE LIKE YOU
BECAUSE YOU ARE SO COOL.


  42.   Anonymous posted:
  11.08.2010 - 1:01 am
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"To show what a farce the chase is, Matt Kenseth has the same number of
top 5s and two less top 10s than Logano, yet Kenseth is 5th in points
while Logano is sixteenth."

Something to keep in mind though is that Kenseth would be 8th in points
without the Chase while Joey would remain 16th. Obviously Kenseth's been
the more consistent driver this year, so he has reaped the benefits :).


  43.   John Royal posted:
  11.08.2010 - 3:19 am
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#48 team can't take the heat, it will be interesting to see how this
situation develops in the last two races.

Jeff Burton is officially total zero, but now also total jerk. Jeff
Gordon should take next season off... Things definitely are not going to
his favor.


  44.   00andJoe posted:
  11.08.2010 - 4:33 am
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#36: I have to agree. Bill Weber knew what he was doing, he just had a
tendency to talk so fast his brain couldn't keeep up. Marty
however....well, he isn't as bad as he used to be - but that's no hard
feat. (Just please, nobody EVER put Ray Dunlap in the booth again. UGH!).


- Also on the subject of ESPN's coverage...they really screwed up who
was leading at one point. I could swear that they showed David Gilliland
as the leader during one exchange of green-flag pit stops - but
according the official results, the one lap he led was during caution
#2! And you'd never have known Andy Lally had led twice...it's really
sad, they -used- to show "who's led" rundowns, and also, really, during
the starting grid, show us pictures of the cars, not the drivers, we're
not going to see the drivers.

It's especially sad since in the old days ESPN had THE BEST coverage and
announcer team (Bob Jenkins, Benny Parsons, Ned Jarrett, Jerry Punch,
Bill Weber, John Kernan...), and now they have THE WORST.


- Sad day: Joe Nemechek had sponsorship and looked to be ready to run
the whole race (note when he caused the first caution, when they thought
it was fixable they were changing tires...not S&P behavior)...but blew
up and finished 43rd.


  45.   Anonymous posted:
  11.08.2010 - 4:58 am
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Kevin Harvick is getting screwed out of the championship this year worse
than any driver has except for Gordon in 2007 (which was a travesty of BS).

I don't care what anyone says about him leading fewer laps, or winning
fewer races, because if you want to play that game we might as well
change half the titles in the history of NASCAR. The fact is, Harvick is
putting up championship numbers, and he's done it all season, including
the chase:

Harvick's Chase finishes:

5th
15th
3rd
7th
8th
3rd
2nd
6th

His average finish this year so far is 8.9, which is better than ANY
SEASON JIMMIE JOHNSON HAS EVER HAD (9.7 in 2006 is his best). The
championship is Harvick's. If Hamlin wins, it's yet another sham. If
Jimmie Johnson wins it would be at least his 2nd stolen title. It isn't
fair, this isn't the way NASCAR should be, and these stats should piss
off anyone who has been a NASCAR fan longer than 6 years. The champion
will be an absolute, indisputable sham, if it is not Kevin Harvick. You
simply can't argue otherwise with any amount of sense. I'm sure some
dips*** like DaleSrFanForever will try, but they are fools who are
contributing to the unfortunate downfall of a once-great sport.


  46.   Willy on Wheels posted:
  11.08.2010 - 7:59 am
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YOU ROCK DENNY!!!!!!!!!! GREAT WIN!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS KNOCKING
JOHNSON OFF HIS THRONE!!!!


  47.   Dodge posted:
  11.08.2010 - 9:00 am
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NASCAR has the right to run THEIR series the way they want. If you don't
agree with it, go watch something else. Back in 2003 when Kenseth
dominated the Cup Series, people bitched about it so NASCAR tried to end
the bitching with the Chase. You can't have it both ways.


  48.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.08.2010 - 9:16 am
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Thank you Dodge...Jesus some people sure are taking the fun out of this
amazing weekend.


  49.   Smiff_99 posted:
  11.08.2010 - 10:20 am
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Love him or hate him, Denny's gettin' it done.

Yes, there are still 2 races left and a lot can happen, but still......I
really get the feeling this COULD be the end of Jimmie's reign.

Denny's been calling his shots (a la Babe Ruth) since Richmond and he's
achieved every single goal he's set for himself. On top of that, his pit
crew has been practically flawless.

Jimmie and Chad looked beaten after the race.....I haven't seen that in
a long, long time. Regardless of whether or not it was the right thing
to, you gotta feel for Johnson's crew....talk about getting thrown under
the bus.

If you win as a team, you should LOSE as a team.


  50.   the_man posted:
  11.08.2010 - 11:28 am
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David Ragan on an 8th place finish: ā??First off, that goes to show you
just how good of a car we had today. We were running in the top 10 and
that loose lug nut just killed us. We had to come back in and tighten
that up and then we were in the back of the field in the high 30s. After
that, we just really had to race hard the rest of the night. Towards the
end, we were in the wrong lane when one of the guys missed a couple of
gears, so I was glad that we got that last caution. It was a good job by
Drew [Blickensderfer] and our UPS team; we just need to get better on
pit road. Itā??s some good momentum going into these last two races and
itā??s good to be disappointed with an eighth-place finish. I remember
just a couple of months ago when we would have loved to have had a top
10. Itā??s good to have a fast car and weā??ll go now to Phoenix and
Homestead and try to do it again.ā?


  51.   Bayne posted:
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Trevor Bayne on his bad ass top 20 finish: "That was awesome man. We had
a terrible pit stall though because we were right with the guys we were
racing with and I couldn't get it in and out and got boxed in a few
times. We had to pass so many cars, like 10 or 15 a run until pit stops.
Finally Reutimann helped me out and stayed over to the left in his box
and that really helped us. That was incredible. These things are so much
fun. I wish I could do it every weekend. It was a blast to drive and to
be that fast for a first run is incredible. Donnie Wingo, everybody at
Wood Brothers Racing and Roush Fenway and Ford I want to thank for
giving me this opportunity. I don't really know what to say. That was as
good or better than we expected so I am really pumped about it."


  52.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.08.2010 - 12:31 pm
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"I don't like any of the three drivers in contention, but I'd rather see
Johnson win if the other two contenders are Hamlin and Harvick."

That's how I feel. I don't like JJ, but I don't dislike him the way I do
Hamlin and Harvick.

Here is my take on what JGR should do to Kyle: there seem to be two
trains of thought on him. 1) Don't do anything to him, that is his
personality, you have to take the good with the bad (or in this case,
utterly embarrassing) or 2) Fire him. I am in the middle. If I were the
coach, I would sit him out the last two races of the year. I wouldn't
yell, I would just say the following to him: "You have the most natural
driving ability of anyone out there, and you have outstanding equipment,
look at what Denny is doing. I want you to take these last two weeks of
the season, as well as the entire offseason, and think about how you
want to behave and what you would like to accomplish in this sport,
because they are directly related. Do some serious soul searching. Are
you going to act like the adult you are, or like a spoiled adolescent?
Are you going to handle adversity by screaming and cursing on the radio,
or by digging deeper, and fighting your way out of it? It's your choice."


  53.   Bronco posted:
  11.08.2010 - 12:59 pm
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Surprised no one mentioned the #48 team avoiding a penalty when a tire
got knocked away from them on the first pit stop. It's a tough call, but
I doubt anyone else would have been lucky enough to escape a penalty.

Sixth top ten of the season for Paul Menard, 5 of which have come at the
1.5 mile tracks. All the clowns who think that he doesn't deserve a ride
just because he brings his own sponsorship can suck it. He has probably
been the most improved driver this year, by far.

How much longer before the experiment with Lance McGrew ends? Dale
finishes 25th at one of his best tracks, where had a solid run in the
spring. This is the second straight race at an intermediate where his
car has been totally off from the beginning. Its tough to watch his
career and confidence take a beating driving those mediocre cars.

Both of Hamlin's Texas wins came from the 15th row, in both cases he
took the lead at the very end and held on.


  54.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  11.08.2010 - 2:29 pm
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"That's how I feel. I don't like JJ, but I don't dislike him the way I
do Hamlin and Harvick."

Same here. I get tired of JJ winning a lot, but for the most part I can
tolerate him while not being a fan. I can't say the same for the other two.

"Are you going to act like the adult you are, or like a spoiled
adolescent? Are you going to handle adversity by screaming and cursing
on the radio, or by digging deeper, and fighting your way out of it?
It's your choice.""

I didn't want to mention this originally, because I've made my opinion
of Kyle known enough on this site. But I'm glad Dave Rogers yelled back
at him over the radio for what he did. Yes, NASCAR has their heads up
their asses and have for quite some time, but how did he figure flipping
an official off would help the team? He's never going to win a Cup
championship this way.


  55.   Dodge posted:
  11.08.2010 - 3:05 pm
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Bronco, let me explain to you why JJ didn't get penalized and its simple
for smart people to understand. The tire was in the hands of a crew man
who was getting ready to g around to get it on the left side of the
pitbox when the crew member got hit and the tire came out. Understand
now? It is the usual deal when that happens. It has happened for other
drivers in the past. If the team carelessly handled the tire and it left
the stall, then yes, it would be a penalty. Did I make it simple for you
to understand, Bronco?


  56.   potatosalad48 posted:
  11.08.2010 - 3:14 pm
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I just ralized that all 4 manufacturers in the Series have won this race
the past 4 years: Chevy in 2007, Ford in '08, Dodge in '09 and Toyota in
2010.


  57.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.08.2010 - 3:22 pm
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Dodge is right. Yeah, the Chase does have some corporate reasoning to
it, but the main reason was that people got tired of seeing blowout
points races, where it really didn't matter what happened with 5 or 10
or so races to go, a driver had such a huge points lead that the last
races really didn't matter.

Bronco, I will admit, Menard has improved quite a bit. Don't think he
will win a race in his Cup career unless he gets lucky, but maybe he
might be a decent mid-pack driver after all.


  58.   Smokefan05 posted:
  11.08.2010 - 4:17 pm
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"Dodge is right. Yeah, the Chase does have some corporate reasoning to
it, but the main reason was that people got tired of seeing blowout
points races, where it really didn't matter what happened with 5 or 10
or so races to go, a driver had such a huge points lead that the last
races really didn't matter."

*stands on soapbox*
And to add to the fact that NASCAR might change the Chase again (some
sort of elmination format or something else). Now i've had enough of the
all the complaining about stuff, and people are sick of seeing Jimmie
win so they are changing it again. It's all hell of a alot better then
the BCS in the college football. Atleast in the Chase you decide it on
track not by computers. However NASCAR chooses to run things it's their
choice, but hey the fan think they are so smart then why don't they
create their own series and rival NASCAR. Would anyone like to step up
to that challenge?

NASCAR does what it does because the "fans" say it's boring, so NASCAR
does all the tweaks (wether you like them or not) and try to please
fans. How would NASCAR please me? Put on a good race and keep me
entertained. But it's not NASCARs fault that "fans" want a barn burner
all the time.

So why should i watch what other fans say is "fixed", "contrived", and
well "boring." So can someone ask me why i should stay as a fan of
NASCAR if everything is as bad as claimed by NASCAR fans? If i sound
well "out of my mind" then well that is because i've had enough.

If NASCAR died today *heaven forbid* then BF & crew, TV networks,
sponsers would get 60-70% of the blame, "fans" would get the rest.
*steps off soapbox*

Edit: I'm not pointing the finger at anyone on here and i don't mean to
make enemies but i've said what i said. If i get hated on then i except
that fact but i had to vent. And having "fans" in quotes is some fans
not all fans.

"Bronco, I will admit, Menard has improved quite a bit. Don't think he
will win a race in his Cup career unless he gets lucky, but maybe he
might be a decent mid-pack driver after all."

Unless you think that Paul has already won a race. ;)




  59.   Cooper posted:
  11.08.2010 - 4:34 pm
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In my opinion, this has been the best season for NASCAR since 2005. The
action has been non stop and the championship battle will come down to
the final race. I beleive Denny will win his one and only championship
this year. Denny and that team have been in a zone all year and they
really are striving for the Cup. Watching Kyle Busch flipping off an
official was very entertaining. I have no problem with a driver showing
emotion including what Kyle did. I flip people off all the time. It's
the best way to show your anger without anyone getting hurt.

Wrecking someone at 150MPH--Not Cool
Trying to punch someones lights out on the backstretch--Not Cool
Middle Finger--Cool

And how about that Bonzai move by Matt Kenseth? That was amazing,
unfortuante he couldn't hold on. Trevor Bayne has one of the better
debuts in recent years with an impressive Top 20 finish. Brad Keselowski
and the #12 team brings another junk racecar to a 1.5 mile track and
don't run higher than 20th.
If this was 1975 Brad would be a championship contender because of his
abilties at the short tracks and superspeedways. Unfortuantely 66% of
the schedule is at these equipment important racetracks.

Overall spectacular race.


  60.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.08.2010 - 5:30 pm
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I said Cup career Smokefan, not Nationwide career :P


  61.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.08.2010 - 5:32 pm
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Also, Cooper, I don't mind when a driver flips off another driver, but
when it comes to authority like that, it's best just to say "yes sir",
go right along, and fight back for what you lost. If you want to
question it too, that's fine, but once you start insulting and flipping
off officials, that is where one crosses the line.


  62.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.08.2010 - 6:29 pm
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Martin N Rusty - Smoke is referring to the 2008 Dega race.


  63.   Talon64 posted:
  11.08.2010 - 6:31 pm
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Denny Hamlin gets his 16th career Sprint Cup Series win. His 8 wins this
season equal his total from his first 4 seasons in Cup combined, and tie
the most wins by a JGR driver ever (8 by Kyle Busch in 2008).

It's also his 4th Chase win, all coming in the last 2 seasons. It's
JGR's 88th win in Cup.

Matt Kenseth gets his 2nd runner-up finish of the season, his first
since the 4th race of the season at Atlanta. It's only his 2nd top five
in the last 22 races.

Mark Martin has 10+ top tens for the 23rd consecutive season. He's
scored the 5th most points over the last 7 races with 2 top fives and 3
top tens.

Joey Logano's now doubled his top 5 and top 10 totals from from his
rookie season.

Greg Biffle has 5 straight top ten finishes at Texas. He has 3 top fives
in the last 6 races but also has finishes of 33rd and 41st.

Kevin Harvick gets his 6th straight top ten, and 7th in 8 Chase races.

Clint Bowyer records his career-best 18th top ten finish of the season.

David Ragan has 2 top tens in the last 4 races, after just 3 in the
previous 67.

Jimmie Johnson has a 7 race top 10 streak going, but his finishes have
been getting worse with nearly each race; 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 7th
and 9th.

Paul Menard has his 3rd top ten in the last 7 races.

Elliott Sadler won his 8th career Cup pole, first since 2006.


  64.   18fan posted:
  11.08.2010 - 6:57 pm
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It's official now: The #24 and #48 over the wall crews are switching
places.


  65.   Cooper posted:
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61. martin-n-rusty posted:
11.08.10 - 5:32 pm
Also, Cooper, I don't mind when a driver flips off another driver, but
when it comes to authority like that, it's best just to say "yes sir",
go right along, and fight back for what you lost. If you want to
question it too, that's fine, but once you start insulting and flipping
off officials, that is where one crosses the line.

I understand where you're coming from. Also giving the middle finger to
a person that just enforces the penalty not gives it to you doesn't make
sense either. I was just responding to earlier posts that giving the
middle finger was outrageously wrong.


  66.   Smokefan05 posted:
  11.08.2010 - 8:48 pm
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"I said Cup career Smokefan, not Nationwide career :P"

"Martin N Rusty - Smoke is referring to the 2008 Dega race."

Yep. ;P

The middle finger means nothing. I know some are offended by it but what
is worse: saying words or just flipping the bird? But don't do it a
National TV, kids watch NASCAR you know. How will a parent explain to
their young kid what middle finger means? Yes you can sugar coat it but
they find out.....eventually. But what i'm i saying, i was walking home
from my moms one day and i heard 10 year olds kids saying everything
under the blue moon (and do mean everything). And i thought to myself
"kids these days." But on here is moot.


  67.   Smokefan05 posted:
  11.08.2010 - 8:49 pm
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^ It's moot. -_-


  68.   Madison posted:
  11.08.2010 - 8:51 pm
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This was one of the best races I've seen in a while. Great battles for
the lead all day. The points battle got a lot closer. The two most
unlikely people fought. And Kyle Busch made an ass of himself. I can't
remember the last time I had that much fun watching a race.


  69.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.08.2010 - 9:29 pm
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Oh, right, forgot you always refer to that race as such smokefan. Oops


  70.   Kowski posted:
  11.08.2010 - 9:55 pm
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Hopefully parking Kyle is the start of things to come. NASCAR has let
the boys have at it thing go way to far. They have rules of conduct but
they've been turning a blind eye to all the infractions. All the drivers
wanted was for NASCAR to let up on the warnings about bump drafting, and
using the bumper to MOVE, NOT WRECK, someone out of the way when he's
blocking. But NASCAR threw the rule book out and allowed drivers to
intentional wreck one another at will. That is over agressive and should
not be allowed at any level of the sport. Not only is it a safty issue,
but more times than not it collects other cars that are just in the
wrong spot at the right time.


  71.   Smokefan05 posted:
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"Oh, right, forgot you always refer to that race as such smokefan. Oops"

No problem. All is fine.


  72.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.09.2010 - 10:30 am
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Anyone else surprised by Mike Ford's comments? He totally called Chad
out as well as the entire 48 team saying they panicked because of the 11
team. I can't stand Chad either (he is a cheater and an arrogant jerk),
but I don't think it's smart saying that. First of all, it's not true.
Ever since the switch to the spoiler, the 48 team has struggled for the
most part on the intermediates. Since the switch away from that ugly ass
wing, the 11 team has 5 wins on tracks 1.3 miles or longer while the 48
has none (Sears Point doesn't count, it is a low speed road course).

They have had the speed all year while the 48 has been spotty at best.
Oddly enough, their best intermediate runs with the spoiler have come
when it counted, in the cha$e races at Kansas, Cali, and Charlotte,
beating the 11 each time. But even in those races, they had to grind it
out. The 11 team should be WAY more than 33 points ahead with 2 races
left. And for Mike to say their team is better than the 48, holy shit!!
Does he realize that if the 11 wins the title (which is the smart bet)
they will have 1/4 the titles of the 48? That this year will be the 48's
9th consecutive Top 5 points finish in 9 years of existance? That they
have led the points at some point in 8 of their 9 years?

Before they can go puffing their chests out, they have put together a
run of more than one non-disappointing seasons in a row. Otherwise they
will just be a footnote in the Johnson/Knaus era. Was Rusty and the #27
Blue Max team better than the Earnhardt/Childress team? Rusty beat them
straight up in 1989. Of course not. Was the Labonte/Hagan team better
than the Junior Johnson/Waltrip team of the 80s? They beat them in 1984.
Of course not.

So Mike, keep it classy. JGR has had enough embarrassments in the last
10 years between Stewart's never ending antics, Denny's previous calling
the team out every other week, and the monument to childish
embarrassment himself, Kyle Busch. Plus, you aren't a scab on Chad's
balding head.

And I know what a few of you will say, "Oh there is DSFF with yet
another JJ love fest post, why don't you two get a room?". First of all,
I'm telling it like it is. Secondly, I'm pulling for JJ in this year's
cha$e because I absolutely can't stand Hamlin or Harvick. Last year, I
was pulling for Mark like crazy. When Homestead ended, and Mark finished
2nd yet again, I felt like my dog had been shot. In 2008, I was pulling
for Carl to beat him because, like an idiot, I was buying into the whole
"Carl is a great guy with a genuine aw shucks attitude" bullshit. In
retrospect, I am REALLY glad he didn't win. In '07 I didn't give a shit
either way. After a season of watching HMS win everything, I just wanted
the season to end. In '06, I REALLY wanted Burton or Kenseth to win it.
In '05, I was actually pulling for Tony to win it because I believed he
had turned a corner (which, in all fairness, he did for a year, then
turned right back around the other way). And in '04 I was hoping Kurt
would hold off Johnson and Gordon and was glad when he did. YIKES!!!


  73.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.09.2010 - 10:55 am
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I will have to read the exact quote Mike Ford said before I jump to
conclusions...but if he indeed was smack talking about the 48 crew, that
is the dumbest thing ever. Atleast wait until you actually win the
championship. A bet that BS smack talking will cost the 11 team


  74.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.09.2010 - 12:11 pm
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Most commented race this year - Atlanta, spring - 365
Least commented race this year - Chicago, July - 52

Lets make this happen guys! I dont know why I want this either.


  75.   Smiff_99 posted:
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Oh, here's DSFF with yet another JJ love fest post.....;)

I'm sorry, man, but Mike Ford's right....RIGHT NOW, the 11 team is
better. Period.

And as far as only having "1/4 the titles of the 48".....hey, you gotta
start somewhere, right?

I know you dislike Denny and that's fine, but you gotta give credit
where credit is due......Denny and his guys have studied the 48's title
runs and knew what they were gonna have to do to win it. And so far,
they've executed perfectly. Except of course for when Denny lost the
draft at Talladega.


  76.   Bronco posted:
  11.09.2010 - 1:54 pm
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"Anyone else surprised by Mike Ford's comments? He totally called Chad
out as well as the entire 48 team saying they panicked because of the 11
team. I can't stand Chad either (he is a cheater and an arrogant jerk),
but I don't think it's smart saying that"

It's called mind games. When you're leading the points (with more wins
too, in case it becomes a tie-breaker) you have earned the right to say
whatever you want.

"The 11 team should be WAY more than 33 points ahead with 2 races left."

Wow, there you go again with your usual crap of "(Insert driver's name
here) should have way more wins/championships with his level of talent
and equipment...."


  77.   Anonymous posted:
  11.09.2010 - 2:10 pm
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"Wow, there you go again with your usual crap of "(Insert driver's name
here) should have way more wins/championships with his level of talent
and equipment...." "

Yes! He does that all the time! Just last week I was having this same
argument with him, about how stupid it is to come up with immeasurable
ideas, or hypothetical scenarios, and then turn around and use that
"information" to make definitive statements (which he completely
believes in his mind to be 100% true). I said it was a logical fallacy,
but I think he must too dumb to have any idea what that is. Never got a
reply to that part of it, he just ignored it and went on his usual "I'm
always right and know things that can't proven or measured, you're wrong
because Jimmie Johnson is a god that can do no wrong" way.

It gets frustrating doesn't it? Arguing with a biased, man-child tool, I
mean.


  78.   Talon64 posted:
  11.09.2010 - 5:01 pm
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"And for Mike to say their team is better than the 48, holy shit!!"

The 11's probably the better team RIGHT NOW. But to me there's a
distinction between BETTER and GREATER. The 48 might already be the
greatest team in NASCAR history, but the 11 is out-48'ing the 48 with
clutch wins late in the Chase to take the points lead.

And if the 48 hadn't wrecked and lost 82 points to Denny at Loudon, then
Jimmie would probably have the 33 point lead right now. It's the 48 that
should be ahead right now, but they're not.

Jimmie and Chad have NEVER had to deal with this during their streak;
they've either run away with the championship or been the hunters and
took over the lead late and never looked back. The last time Jimmie was
in this spot was 2005, which is also JGR's last Cup championship. I'm
loving this trend.

Phoenix is going to be really interesting. The April race was Denny's
first race after his ACL surgery and he ended up wrecking and finishing
2 laps down in 30th, so who knows how they'll run this weekend. Denny's
no slouch there, he had 5 top fives and 6 top tens in the 7 races
previous including four 3rd place finishes. Denny also finished 2nd at
Loudon at 1st at Martinsville so the short/flat track program is looking
good.

Jimmie's been amazing at Phoenix over the last 4 years with 4 wins and
finished 3rd in the April race so you know he'll be there again. He
wrecked at Loudon but finished an usually-bad 5th at Martinsville.

And Harvick's been so solid this year the numbers don't matter (2 time
Phoenix winner), he'll run well.


  79.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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"Wow, there you go again with your usual crap of "(Insert driver's name
here) should have way more wins/championships with his level of talent
and equipment....""

Denny admitted he has been racing conservatively for the first 7 cha$e
races, losing spots on restarts. Considering how much faster the 11 team
is than the 48 at the moment, he should have already dropped the dagger
by now.

"It's called mind games. When you're leading the points (with more wins
too, in case it becomes a tie-breaker) you have earned the right to say
whatever you want."

That's fair. Anybody can say anything they want at any time, but that
doesn't mean it's smart (just ask Kyle). The 11 is definitely ahead of
the 48 on speed. Have been ever since the wing was mercifully killed. I
think I'd leave sleeping giants alone.

@ post 77:

I'm trying to start discussions on this discussion board (imagine that),
not get into pissing contests with grade school insults being tossed
around. If you feel I am wrong, tell me why, and we will discuss it. I
want to hear other people's takes on how I feel things would have gone
down. But all I get is Bronco and "Anonymous" saying how stupid I am.


  80.   Talon64 posted:
  11.09.2010 - 6:34 pm
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Denny Hamlin tied Greg Biffle and Carl Edwards for 45th on the all time
Cup wins list, 13th among active drivers.

Denny has the 3rd most Cup wins since he came into Cup full time in
2006; Kyle Busch is 2nd with 17 and Jimmie Johnson has the most with 35,
more than 2nd and 3rd combined.


  81.   Talon64 posted:
  11.09.2010 - 7:27 pm
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I just noticed this, but did Front Row Motorsports' #34 and #37 do a
S&P? 25 and 23 laps in respectively, they DNF'd due to "overheating".
The #38 finished the race in 29th but they're 36th in the owners
standings, 101 points out.

The #34 and #37 are virtually locked into the top 35 in owners points
but this is the first time this year they've done this. FRM sucks but
they're a 3 car team that finish the races, I hope this isn't a bad sign
or anything.


  82.   Dodge posted:
  11.09.2010 - 7:46 pm
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Supposedly the 34 and 37 cars had legit overheating issues.

DSFF: Not a surprise that Bronco is insulting you. When "Bronco" was in
school, he must of been a bully. And he continues trying to be a bully
but it don't working if you don't say it to the face of the person that
you are insulting. If you going to insult me on here Bronco for this
post, go ahead. I'll tell you like it is you goofball!


  83.   Bronco posted:
  11.09.2010 - 8:24 pm
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"Yes! He does that all the time! Just last week I was having this same
argument with him, about how stupid it is to come up with immeasurable
ideas, or hypothetical scenarios, and then turn around and use that
"information" to make definitive statements (which he completely
believes in his mind to be 100% true)."

That's true. According to him, Tony should have won another championship
by now, Kyle should be performing to the same level that Jeff Gordon was
in the mid 90s, and Dale Jr should have about 40 wins and a
championship. Since none of them have met those lofty expectations, he
bashes them. God alone knows where you come up with those unreachable
standards.

"But all I get is Bronco and "Anonymous" saying how stupid I am."

I don't know where you got the idea that we said you're stupid, #77 and
I are just saying your way of thinking is way off.


  84.   Spen posted:
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Bronco : "According to him, Tony should have won another championship by
now" And he should have. He'd have won the Chase in '06 if he hadn't
shot himself in the foot so much in the regular season. I fail to see
how that's having "unreasonable expectations".
"Kyle should be performing to the same level that Jeff Gordon was in the
mid 90s" Maybe not, but it wouldn't be too unreasonable to expect more
than one win during the chase (rightly or wrongly, the only part of the
season that really counts) in six years.
"and Dale Jr should have about 40 wins and a championship" You are
certainly putting words in his mouth. In any event, I don't see how
anyone can disagree that with his talent and equipment, he should have
more than one (fuel milage) win in the last four years.

Honestly, I don't see where you and several other posters are coming
from. Does DSFF sometimes beat a dead horse? Yes. But aside from that, I
really haven't seen anything from him worth getting in an uproar about.


  85.   Smokefan05 posted:
  11.09.2010 - 10:17 pm
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"Does DSFF sometimes beat a dead horse?"

My only complaint (if i can levy one) is this. And he doesn't give
enough credit where credit is do (when it comes to drivers, shall i name
names? lol)


  86.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
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"The 11's probably the better team RIGHT NOW. But to me there's a
distinction between BETTER and GREATER. The 48 might already be the
greatest team in NASCAR history, but the 11 is out-48'ing the 48 with
clutch wins late in the Chase to take the points lead."

The 11 may be on top right now, but we'll see if they maintain that spot
for years to come. To me, that will show they can at least rival the 48
as far as being a better team goes. They've always been wildly
consistent since Denny's rookie year, so they are definitely capable of
it. Only late last year and this year did they finally get all the
pieces of the puzzle together.


  87.   JayskiJetski posted:
  11.10.2010 - 12:01 am
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"Honestly, I don't see where you and several other posters are coming
from. Does DSFF sometimes beat a dead horse? Yes. But aside from that, I
really haven't seen anything from him worth getting in an uproar about."

Have you gone to many different drivers pages, or older race pages?
That's when you really start seeing the extent of his infestation on
this site. It's an unfortunate combination of him having too much time
on his hands, and a far too high opinion of himself. He seems to get
into flame wars with every fan of every driver that isn't one of his
favorites on their respective pages, constantly tries to downplay any
achievement that isn't 3 or more championships or 50+ wins, and always
takes obvious trolls waaaaaay too seriously. It gets a bit tiring going
to different pages and seeing some long flame war between
DaleSrFanForever and some other random internet idiot. Sometimes he just
doesn't seem to enjoy the sport at all and it makes you wonder why he
even wastes any of his time on it. I don't know if he just comes here to
purposely get into arguments or what, but a lot of times it sure seems
that way. Maybe he's a troll himself, sometimes it's difficult to tell
if he says what he says just to get enraged responses, or if he is
actually that callous and bitter toward the rest of the NASCAR nation.


  88.   Mike posted:
  11.10.2010 - 12:11 am
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Wow, DSFF has made quite a name for himself. Lol


  89.   Madison posted:
  11.10.2010 - 12:50 am
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To the FRM overheating issue, I did see one car (I believe it to be the
37) spouting water really early. The other I'm not sure of.


  90.   18fan posted:
  11.10.2010 - 12:55 am
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$25,000 and probation until December 31 for Kyle Busch for flipping off
the official.


  91.   00andJoe posted:
  11.10.2010 - 1:54 am
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@81/89: Judging by the fogging for skeeters Blaney was doing when he
came down pit road, I'd say the 37, at least, had an "unscheduled parking".

The 34, well, we never saw or heard a thing from ESPN about them.


  92.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  11.10.2010 - 2:01 am
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Not surprised by the penalty for Busch. I don't think it's necessary, as
holding him for two laps was enough, but knowing how NASCAR is, it
doesn't surprise me at all.


  93.   Dodge posted:
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Only reason for the fine and probation I believe is that it got on TV.
Granted, he flipped off an official which was wrong, but I don't think
this is the first time a driver flipped off an official but since ESPN
was incar with him at that time, it had to be done.


  94.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.10.2010 - 7:33 am
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RCRandPenske, go back to my post (#6). I still say, compared to other
sports, that Busch got off lightly. He does this anywhere else, and he
would probably be looking at a stiffer penalty.


  95.   I Seize the Day posted:
  11.10.2010 - 10:55 am
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Okay heres a questions for all you snailiens....in the spirit of the
Jeffs fight at TMS, what is your dream fight amongst NASCAR drivers?

Mine would be Tony Stewart v. Kevin Harvick probably.


  96.   18fan posted:
  11.10.2010 - 12:47 pm
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My ideal fight would be Tony Stewart vs. Ryan Newman(I know that they
are teammates, but it would still be cool.)


  97.   Smokefan05 posted:
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"Okay heres a questions for all you snailiens....in the spirit of the
Jeffs fight at TMS, what is your dream fight amongst NASCAR drivers?"

Dale Earnhardt vs JPM :P


  98.   Bronco posted:
  11.10.2010 - 1:01 pm
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"You are certainly putting words in his mouth."

Am I? Read the comments on the July Nationwide Daytona race from this
year and then tell me if I'm putting words in his mouth.

"Okay heres a questions for all you snailiens....in the spirit of the
Jeffs fight at TMS, what is your dream fight amongst NASCAR drivers?"

Carl Edwards vs. just about anyone.

Wonder if Kyle will ever again agree to having an in car camera after
this incident?


  99.   Dodge posted:
  11.10.2010 - 2:29 pm
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Figured I'd let everyone know in case they haven't heard it. The RPM
tractor-trailors are still at Texas Motor Speedway. Supposedly all the
Phoenix cars are in an unmarked trailer next to the haulers and they are
waiting on a check to Roush to clear before the cars are loaded.
Supposedly the check was supposed to clear on Monday but never did, then
it was supposed to on Tuesday and once again never did. I believe I saw
that the haulers can only go for 10 hours and then park for 10 hours.
From Texas to Phoenix the report said takes 18 hours. It don't make
sense to me about the 18 hours to get to AZ from Texas but I have never
did that travel. I've gone to Illinois from my house and Pennsylvania
from my house too.

Supposedly the same thing happened last week with the RPM teams but the
9 and 98 left before the check cleared. Plus RPM employees have had to
work in the Roush shop to get their cars ready lately so I don't see
them racing again.


  100.   New 14&88 posted:
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"Not surprised by the penalty for Busch. I don't think it's necessary,
as holding him for two laps was enough, but knowing how NASCAR is, it
doesn't surprise me at all."

I think $25,000 is a just penalty in this case.Kyle got penalized for
speeding, then lost his cool like he always does and lashed out at the
official enforcing the penalty thus costing his team a good finish(and
possibly a win)I still think Joe Gibbs, Dave Rodgers and the rest of the
#18 team need to have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with him about his temper.



"Am I? Read the comments on the July Nationwide Daytona race from this
year and then tell me if I'm putting words in his mouth."


Really now? All he stated was how Dale Jr. kept focused and motivated,
gave good feedback to Tony Jr. and once he got the lead late the race
stayed there to pull of a worth while win(understatement).If he brought
that can do never quit attitude to every race in cup he'll truly be
living up to his true potential as a championship contender...what's so
wrong with some one stating the truth.


  101.   Cooper posted:
  11.10.2010 - 3:11 pm
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Fights I'd like to see:
Amber Cope vs. Angela Cope
Danica Patrick vs. Kyle Busch
Brad Keselowski vs. Brian Keselowski
Carl Edwards vs. Ryan Newman vs. Tony Stewart

MAIN EVENT
Bronco vs. DaleSRFanForever


  102.   Mike posted:
  11.10.2010 - 3:30 pm
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"what's so wrong with some one stating the truth."

The truth? All of his theories about Dale Jr are just that, theories.
Listen to DSFF dissect the "mental crisis" of Dale Earnhardt Jr and
you'd think he's known the guy his entire life. It's actually pretty funny.

Regarding a fight, I'd love to see Tony Stewart vs Juan Montoya. Now
that would be a classic


  103.   Foyt14 posted:
  11.10.2010 - 3:50 pm
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So a lot of people seem to be in agreement in wanting to see Tony
Stewart get into a fight. I feel like he'd probably win most of them
too; he's no stranger to getting drunk, can absorb some blows, and has a
lot of weight to throw into a punch. Tony Stewart is exactly the type of
guy you wouldn't want to ever get into a bar fight with.


  104.   Smokefan05 posted:
  11.10.2010 - 4:05 pm
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"MAIN EVENT
Bronco vs. DaleSRFanForever"

Can they use steel chairs, 2x4s set on fire, table set on fire, thumb
tacks, and all the other stuff too? :P lol

"The truth? All of his theories about Dale Jr are just that, theories.
Listen to DSFF dissect the "mental crisis" of Dale Earnhardt Jr and
you'd think he's known the guy his entire life. It's actually pretty funny."

You can only point the finger and the equipment so long before the
driver comes under attack. The equipment, CC and anyother excuse has
already be used and beaten to death. Now it's time for the driver to get
some.


  105.   Sheamus posted:
  11.10.2010 - 4:20 pm
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Jimmie Johnson v. The Field

Kit v. Bronco


  106.   Mike posted:
  11.10.2010 - 4:25 pm
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"You can only point the finger and the equipment so long before the
driver comes under attack. The equipment, CC and anyother excuse has
already be used and beaten to death. Now it's time for the driver to get
some."

I totally agree. The excuses for him are running out and I'm not denying
that. I'm just saying the conspiracies about his "mental crisis" have
gotten out of hand and there is no evidence to back it up.


  107.   Smiff_99 posted:
  11.10.2010 - 5:41 pm
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I (like a lot of others) still believe the simple act of convincing Tony
Sr. to CC for him again is all that it would take.

New car or not, he and Junior speak the same language......it really
would make a difference.


  108.   New 14&88 posted:
  11.10.2010 - 6:08 pm
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"I (like a lot of others) still believe the simple act of convincing
Tony Sr. to CC for him again is all that it would take.

New car or not, he and Junior speak the same language......it really
would make a difference."


Yeah, Tony Sr. kept Jr. focused behind the wheel and wouldn't let him
let his confidence sink to what it is now, convincing him that being a
cup CC will be worthwhile to him won't be so simple though.


  109.   Mike posted:
  11.10.2010 - 6:27 pm
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"I (like a lot of others) still believe the simple act of convincing
Tony Sr. to CC for him again is all that it would take.

New car or not, he and Junior speak the same language......it really
would make a difference."

If Rick can't convince Tony Sr to come back I think Steve Letarte would
be a great fit for Dale Jr. He's not exactly like Tony Sr but he has the
ability to fire up his driver and get more than 100% out of his driver.
Look at Bristol when McGrew pissed off Jr, he drove like a mad man and
got a 7th place finish. I'm not questioning Jr's effort because he's
working so hard to get this deal turned around, but he needs a crew
chief that can get that extra 10% out of him. Every driver needs a crew
chief like that, not just Dale Jr.

I'm not the biggest Letarte fan by any means but I think he has the
ability to get Dale Jr relevant again, which is the first step in this
process.


  110.   Wikus van de Merwe posted:
  11.10.2010 - 6:51 pm
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How 'bout Jeffy and Jeffy bitch-slapping each other like a pair of
little Frenchies


  111.   Dodge posted:
  11.10.2010 - 7:00 pm
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If Rick can't convince Tony Sr to come back I think Steve Letarte would
be a great fit for Dale Jr. He's not exactly like Tony Sr but he has the
ability to fire up his driver and get more than 100% out of his driver.
Look at Bristol when McGrew pissed off Jr, he drove like a mad man and
got a 7th place finish. I'm not questioning Jr's effort because he's
working so hard to get this deal turned around, but he needs a crew
chief that can get that extra 10% out of him. Every driver needs a crew
chief like that, not just Dale Jr.

You mean the guy who ends up screwing up Gordon's car at the end of the
race? My opinion, try to get Ray Evernham or go with Ron Malec, the 48's
car chief.


  112.   Eric posted:
  11.10.2010 - 8:52 pm
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Denny Hamlin having the most wins at race tracks that are over 1 and 1
third of a mile or longer is misleading in terms of why Denny only has a
33 point lead over Jimmie Johnson. The last time I check Pocono isn't in
the chase and that is a two and half mile track and is Denny's best big
track in his cup career.


Denny's top 2 mile and a half tracks in his cup career is Texas
Motorspeedway and Homestead. Denny has a good track record at those
tracks going into the season.

Denny being only up by 33 points on Jimmie is caused by the fact Denny
doesn't have a great tack record at Kansas Motor Speedway and at Auto
Club Motor Speedway and Jimmie Johnson has a better track record at
those two places.

Denny only has 1 top 10 at Kansas Motor Speedway in his cup Career and
that in 2009 with a 5th place finish. Denny only has 1 top 5 finish in
his 10 starts there. Denny can a get a top 10 there, but Jimmie Johnson
is the better driver at that track.


  113.   Kit posted:
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"Listen to DSFF dissect the "mental crisis" of Dale Earnhardt Jr and
you'd think he's known the guy his entire life. It's actually pretty funny."

Mike, when a individual like Dale Jr. practically broadcasts his mental
issues out in the public, you don't have to know him to know that the
guy has mental issues. He makes it pretty damn obvious.

And if you doubt me, explain to me how a driver went from being a top 5
driver to barely able to finish in the top 25. It's not the equipment.


  114.   Mike posted:
  11.10.2010 - 10:38 pm
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"Mike, when a individual like Dale Jr. practically broadcasts his mental
issues out in the public"

I think I know what interviews you are referencing too. I won't go on a
long tirade, but I'll just say we have different interpretations of his
comments.


  115.   Android posted:
  11.10.2010 - 10:42 pm
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I love how people keep mentioning that in other sports Kyle would've
been thrown out of the game for flipping off an official, yet think that
a fight between two competitors wouldn't warrant a suspension as well.
If Nascar is going by the basis for conduct from other professional
sports, than use those standards in all aspects.


  116.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  11.10.2010 - 10:55 pm
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"I think $25,000 is a just penalty in this case.Kyle got penalized for
speeding, then lost his cool like he always does and lashed out at the
official enforcing the penalty thus costing his team a good finish(and
possibly a win)"

I guess I'm just surprised that NASCAR actually took a step further.
While it was a stupid thing of him to do, I sort of expected them to
stop at penalizing him two laps. I don't know why, though.

"I still think Joe Gibbs, Dave Rodgers and the rest of the #18 team need
to have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with him about his temper."

I definitely agree with this. The rest of the team has to be pissed when
he pulls stuff like that.


  117.   martin-n-rusty posted:
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Android, yeah, in Basketball and Baseball (and probably Football
considering the circumstances), that would be the case, but you
obviously never been to, or seen a hockey game. You could have an
all-out line brawl, and as long as you didn't do anything to warrant a
suspension, or leave the bench, you are fine, just get the 5 for
fighting, and thats it).

It probably helps a little that Jeff Burton and (relatively recently)
Jeff Gordon haven't had a history of fighting someone, however, if they
started making a habit of it, I'm sure NASCAR would have something to
say about it.


  118.   I Seize the Day posted:
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Is it just me, or hasn't it seemed like Burton and Gordon have been side
by side in almost every race this year?


  119.   Kit posted:
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"I think I know what interviews you are referencing too. I won't go on a
long tirade, but I'll just say we have different interpretations of his
comments."

Mike, I've noticed on this page and on the Dale Jr. page, when you're
outnumbered in an argument, you'll quickly agree, but when you feel like
you're in the majority (as you seem to be on this page with the DSFF
bashing), you'll make an argument.

You're a freaking sheep, dude.


  120.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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"According to him, Tony should have won another championship by now"

He should have. He is the most talented driver out there, has been in
excellent equipment, but has let his temper hold him back from getting
more wins and at least one other title ('06). He is way more talented
than JJ and has been in comprable equipment, except in '03, '04, and
'07. No way he should be behind JJ in anything.

"Kyle should be performing to the same level that Jeff Gordon was in the
mid 90s"

He is more talented than Jeff and has comprable equipment. But his
meltdowns when the pressure is one have doomed him and his ability to
get mad and let races get away make Tony look like a saint.

"and Dale Jr should have about 40 wins and a championship."

40 wins might be a bit of a stretch, but he very talented when he is
focused and had excellent equipment from DEI from '00-'07 (with the
exception of '05) as evidenced from his teammates performances. Compare
Michael Waltrip's numbers from 2001-2004 to the rest of his career. If
even he can put up somewhat respectable numbers, the equipment is damn
good. And in '07, his teammate made the cha$e. And his equipment for the
last 3 years needs no explanation.

"Since none of them have met those lofty expectations, he bashes them.
God alone knows where you come up with those unreachable standards"

I just told you how. I look at how they are at their best and the
equipment they drive.

"Listen to DSFF dissect the "mental crisis" of Dale Earnhardt Jr and
you'd think he's known the guy his entire life. It's actually pretty funny."

I don't have to know the guy, I just look at the numbers, look at his
equipment, and realize something is amiss. He won 15 races in his first
5 years in Cup with 3 Top 5 points finishes. Yes, 7 of those were at
plate tracks in DEI's untouchable plate equipment, but the other 8 came
at tough tracks like Bristol, Phoenix, Dover, Richmond, and Atlanta. The
guy can drive a race car and win. But in the 6 seasons since he has 3
total wins, including TWO stretches of going more than two years between
wins. And from '07 to present he has been badly outperformed by
teammates. In '07 Truex made made the cha$e and won a race, in '08 he
had 2 teammates make the cha$e including the champion while he sunk to
the bottom of the cha$e crapper. In '09, his teammates finished 1-2-3 in
points while both corporate teammates at SHR made the cha$e while June
finished 25th. This year, despite being given key people from Mark's
team, he is lagging way behind again.

There is no tangible explanation for this. It doesn't add up. Period. If
it isn't psychological, then he was abducted by aliens.


  121.   Bronco posted:
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"I just told you how. I look at how they are at their best and the
equipment they drive."

Again, everything you just said is a judgment call on your part, and you
can't offer any concrete evidence to back any of that up. Tony is more
talented than JJ? Kyle is more talented than Jeff? Really? How can you
prove any of that? You can't.

"I don't have to know the guy, I just look at the numbers, look at his
equipment, and realize something is amiss."

Yes, something is amiss, and it's proper cars to drive week in and week
out. You don't run out of talent and finish 6 laps down at Richmond,
then finish 4th at New Hampshire next week, and then finish 3 laps down
at Charlotte followed by leading 90 laps and finishing 7th at
Martinsville the next week unless your team can't consistently bring a
good car to the track. Of course, a clown like you probably believes
that one week Dale doesn't give a shit about his finish, and the next
week he drives his butt off. I guess its the same way how Jamie Mac
probably had some psychological issues when he drove the #26 that got
magically fixed when he went to the #1.

"There is no tangible explanation for this. It doesn't add up. Period.
If it isn't psychological, then he was abducted by aliens."

LOL, someone's been playing too many sci-fi games on his Xbox.


  122.   Mike posted:
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"Mike, I've noticed on this page and on the Dale Jr. page, when you're
outnumbered in an argument, you'll quickly agree, but when you feel like
you're in the majority (as you seem to be on this page with the DSFF
bashing), you'll make an argument.

You're a freaking sheep, dude."

Where do you get from my comments that I am a sheep that goes with the
flow? I have never "agreed" with you or any other Jr detractor. Yes, I
have stated some of the theories about him COULD be valid, but that
doesn't mean I agree with them. I always have an open mind and consider
others' opinions if they are brought forward in a organized and well
thought out manner. For example, I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job,
but I will grant the fact there is indisputable evidence to prove the
government knew something was coming on that day. Does that mean I agree
9/11 was an "inside job"? No.

Same thing with DSFF's points as well. I don't agree something is wrong
with Jr that's causing his decline over the past 5 years, but the facts
show he hasn't been the same driver since Tony Eury Sr left. Does that
mean I agree there is a problem with him mentally? Of course not.

Hope we got that cleared up.


  123.   Smokefan05 posted:
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"Hope we got that cleared up."

Nope, pandoras box is still open.


  124.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
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"Again, everything you just said is a judgment call on your part, and
you can't offer any concrete evidence to back any of that up. Tony is
more talented than JJ? Kyle is more talented than Jeff? Really? How can
you prove any of that? You can't."

Jeff said so himself. He said he wished he had Kyle's natural driving
ability. Of course that could have just been mind games, but Jeff
doesn't just hand out compliments to his competitors. And every
competitor will tell you how talented Tony is. Every single one raves
about his car control. JJ is definitely damn talented. But not like Tony.

" guess its the same way how Jamie Mac probably had some psychological
issues when he drove the #26 that got magically fixed when he went to
the #1."

They didn't magically get fixed, Jamie made a concerted effort to get
his mind back into shape. His confidence was undoubtably non existant
for a while at Roush. But started by getting into better physical shape.
Then he began changing the way he thought. Prayer began to be a major
part of his life, and it showed dividends. By the time he got to the #1
team, he had his confidence back, and he had cars with great engines,
and the rest is history.

"Yes, something is amiss, and it's proper cars to drive week in and week
out."

Seeing as how everyone else in Hendrick equipment can be respectable
week in and week out, including part time rookie Brad K last year, I
think his cars are more than proper. And this year Rick restrucured the
entire 5/88 shop and gave many key members from Marks 5 win team in '09
to June. It didn't work. Why would HMS give great equipment to everyone
else and not the sports most popular driver? Do you realize how much
money they could make off a Dale Jr Championship? Holy shit.

"LOL, someone's been playing too many sci-fi games on his Xbox."

I don't have an XBox. And I haven't played a sci fi video game regularly
since I was about 8 playing Captain Skyhawk on the old NES, destroying
alien bases without any mercy. Them alien f****ers got f***ed!


  125.   Smokefan05 posted:
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"I don't have an XBox. And I haven't played a sci fi video game
regularly since I was about 8 playing Captain Skyhawk on the old NES,
destroying alien bases without any mercy. Them alien f****ers got f***ed!"

Your to busy playing NR2003. :P


  126.   Anonymous posted:
  11.11.2010 - 7:02 pm
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"Jeff said so himself. He said he wished he had Kyle's natural driving
ability. Of course that could have just been mind games, but Jeff
doesn't just hand out compliments to his competitors. And every
competitor will tell you how talented Tony is. Every single one raves
about his car control. JJ is definitely damn talented. But not like Tony."

Rational people: "You can't prove that stuff you say, it's not something
that can be measured!"

DSFF: "You want my proof? This one guy said so. See? That's 100%
factual, definitive, measurable proof."

Rational people: "You make that same tired argument over and over again.
The fact is there are too many variables that go into every race, every
team, every driver to be able to make a definitive statement about who
is really better amongst all the best drivers in the sport. They are all
good at different things, and win or lose, it's never 100% the driver
that determines that outcome of a race."

DSFF: "...................... Kyle Busch sucks! Tony should have more
wins! Junior has mental problems!"

Rational people: "*sigh* It's like arguing with a freaking child."


  127.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.11.2010 - 7:30 pm
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"Your to busy playing NR2003. :P"

You are right!


  128.   00andJoe posted:
  11.12.2010 - 2:31 am
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I'll just say that I agree with DSFF, and then I won't touch that
subject again, even with the +5 Poking Poker of Poking.

#118: The Jeff and Jeff show does seem to be running a fresh season, but
remember they used to do that a lot, too. A certain race at Darlington
rings a couple of bells.

So. Travis Pastrana (I'm going to call him Travis Pasta since I know
I'll never remember how he spells his name!) is going NASCAR, and Dan
Wheldon is giving it serious thought. The RR Book is open, and bets are
being taken on:

* How many races Travis P. will make, and how many he'll miss, in the
2011 NNS Series before he gets the boot a la Steve Kinser;

and

* How far off the deep end Wheldon will be thrown in the classic "he's
an IndyCar champ, he can drive anything!" syndrome (exhibit A, Dario
Franchitti).


  129.   martin-n-rusty posted:
  11.12.2010 - 4:27 am
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It all depends 00andJoe.

If Wheldon and Pastrana (who should be fine for at least a season or
two, as I would think Red Bull is a big sponsor of his with all other
forms of racing he does, and would be willing to support him with this)
take their time, and not rush things, they will be fine.


  130.   Smiff_99 posted:
  11.12.2010 - 8:59 am
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I like the schedule Pastrana's set up.......7 races next year to dip the
toes, then 20 in 2012.

I'm sure he'll miss a couple of shows and tear a few cars up, but if
anybody (from other motorsports disciplines) can do it, it's Travis.

The guy is fearless, not to mention he's excelled in everything he's
ever tried. It'll be fun to watch.

Wheldon, on the other hand, will more than likely go the way of Dario
Franchitti (hopefully, for Dan's sake, minus the injury @ Talladega)


  131.   Eric posted:
  11.12.2010 - 1:35 pm
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Dan Wheldon has no choice, but to race in Nascar. Dan Wheldon doesn't
have a lot of offers in Indy Car right now. No one can blame Dan Wheldon
for trying Nascar as a result if he does that route.

Dan Wheldon isn't a road racer and that is why he doesn't have many
offers in Indy Car right now despite Dan winning a street course in
2005. Indy Car isn't the same series as it was at the time Dan Wheldon
won his title in 2005. Indy Car has more Road Courses and Street Courses
than it did in 2005. The other thing is Indy Car has better road course
drivers now than in 2005.

The only odd thing about Dan Wheldon looking racing in Nascar is Dan
Wheldon has looked at racing for Kyle Busch Motorsports.



  132.   Frank posted:
  11.12.2010 - 3:23 pm
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Great race and great comments as I anticipated. "M&M's melts on pit
road" is hilarious joke! I'd never thought Kyle can fall so deep. No
more proof needed to conclude that "new Kyle Busch" is totally joke.

Historically this race was one with the most influence of Chase. Sad
thing is that Texas replaced Darlington which had tremendous impact on
Chase in '04 but really - everything seemed so clean and evident and one
race turned it upside down. I'm with people who prefers JJ to Hamlin &
Harvick and main reason is to keep Chase suck. Just imagine how much
"excitement" will go from NASCAR if Johnson loose...

Changing crews - tough but right move. Not pitting under last caution -
hard to understand knowing how good Jimmie is in late charges on fresh
tyres.


  133.   Talon64 posted:
  11.12.2010 - 4:31 pm
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Travis Pastrana's crazy talented. He's won the last 4 Rally America
championships and nearly won the Race of Champions' Nations Cup in 2006
by himself after his teammates Jimmie Johnson and Scott Speed had to
withdraw due to injuries; he lost in the final round to Heikki Kovalainen.

The guy has great car control which should allow him to adapt to stock
cars more quickly than most going from another form of motorsport to
NASCAR. 20 races in 2010 would make him eligible for ROTY.

KBM could have either Dan Wheldon or Tony Kanaan in a Truck in 2011.


  134.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  11.12.2010 - 11:48 pm
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I've never heard Travis' name, but I'm definitely going to be watching
him once he starts racing in NASCAR. It will be quite interesting to see
if he can live up to all this hype he gets.

As for Wheldon or Kanaan, I think they could be good if they aren't
rushed right into Cup the way Dario Franchitti was.


  135.   00andJoe posted:
  11.13.2010 - 3:08 am
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Ah, Travis P. isn't running a full schedule right off the bat? Kid has
some smarts, then, he might just go far.

Agree on #134 with regard to Wheldon. Everybody tabbed to be "The Next
Tony Stewart" has been rushed into Cup, ignoring that Tony had 2-3
partial/"mostly"-schedule Busch series before moving up, and that, well,
there isn't a "next Tony Stewart". The only one to come close is JPM,
and that's probably because he'd already spent so much time with Ganassi
that they knew each other well already. Let's look at the rest:
Fittipaldi, Villeneuve, Franchitti, Carpentier, Pruett...all tossed
directly at Cup, more or less, and all sent packing.




  136.   Smiff_99 posted:
  11.13.2010 - 8:38 am
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According to Michael Waltrip's article on SceneDaily.com, Pastrana has a
bucket list....and racing in the Dayton 500 is on the list. Their goal
is to have him ready for 2013 Speedweeks.


  137.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.13.2010 - 11:26 am
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"after his teammates Jimmie Johnson and Scott Speed had to withdraw due
to injuries"

lol that was the year JJ broke his wrist after he fell off the top a
golf cart goofing around. Why he won't show that side of his personality
to the world I'll never know.

What was Scott Speed's injury? Did he break a nail?


  138.   Anonymous posted:
  11.13.2010 - 8:15 pm
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"What was Scott Speed's injury? Did he break a nail?"

That's pretty funny. A nurse talking s**t about a race car driver when
it comes to manliness.


  139.   Anonymous posted:
  11.13.2010 - 10:12 pm
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"lol that was the year JJ broke his wrist after he fell off the top a
golf cart goofing around. Why he won't show that side of his personality
to the world I'll never know."

Jesus christ dude, we know you love the guy, but you have to give it up.
He's already married. Your (not so) secret crush on him is going to lead
nowhere.


  140.   Ryan posted:
  11.14.2010 - 1:04 am
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"lol that was the year JJ broke his wrist after he fell off the top a
golf cart goofing around. Why he won't show that side of his personality
to the world I'll never know."

Yeah, that's what they said. We'll probably never know the real truth.

"Jesus christ dude, we know you love the guy, but you have to give it
up. He's already married. Your (not so) secret crush on him is going to
lead nowhere."

lol, you guys are tough on DSFF


  141.   Frank posted:
  11.14.2010 - 10:34 am
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Just have read Talladega thread until the end and want to support DSFF.

Because who doesn't building theories and making sentences based on his
own experience and knowledge is just boring.

Are there anyone who works in current Sprint Cup team to know how it
REALLY going? To tell us something about June's motivation or Hendrick's
equipment or Kyle's behavior from his own experience at least just like
journalists doing? If no - we're all in the same boat. Making our
conclusions from watching races, listening interviews, reading quotes etc.

Listening to DSFF's opponents who talking about "smartness" I can say
that before I was first time in USA I could think that all this
including NASCAR is just movie. Would it be smart? Just a joke...


  142.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  11.14.2010 - 1:20 pm
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"A nurse talking s**t about a race car driver when it comes to manliness."

Paramedic. Get it right.

@139: That was actually a shot at JJ. He has sucked the life out of this
sport due to his personality that rivals one of his sponsor's inanimate
hardware products. But everyone who knows him away from the track talks
about what a character he truly is. If he'd have shown that during all
of his domination, NASCAR would have been a lot more fun to follow these
last few years.


  143.   Mike posted:
  11.14.2010 - 1:58 pm
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"Are there anyone who works in current Sprint Cup team to know how it
REALLY going? To tell us something about June's motivation or Hendrick's
equipment or Kyle's behavior from his own experience at least just like
journalists doing?"

Regarding Dale, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, around the 88 team have
stated over and over and over and OVER again he is focused, working
hard, and is putting in the effort. It would be different if it was just
one or two people defending him, but when you have the team owner and
other major components around that team come out and defend him the
credibility of his detractors go down. Of course, the detractors have a
theory as to why they defend him too.


  144.   Ryan posted:
  11.14.2010 - 2:30 pm
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With Harvick's avg. finish in the chase he would have won 4 out of the
last 6 chases, if he keeps it up.


  145.   00andJoe posted:
  09.07.2011 - 7:42 pm
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#78 sponsor: Furniture Row/Denver Mattress
#00 sponsor: Aaron's Outdoors/Mossy Oak Break-Up


  146.   cArmAkAze posted:
  09.11.2011 - 3:24 pm
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Denny Hamlin wins since Mike Ford's mind games: 1

GJ Mike


  147.   Anonymous posted:
  11.04.2011 - 8:59 am
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Everybody was kung fu fighting!


  148.   Daniel posted:
  05.21.2012 - 4:47 pm
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In using fastest 43: #36 J.J. Yeley & #81 Scott Riggs

Out using fastest 43: #34 Travis Kvapil & #37 Dave Blaney


  149.   Big Mac Fan posted:
  10.16.2015 - 10:29 pm
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And now under caution, Jeff has wrecked Jeff. Jeff remains along the
outside wall while Jeff limps to pit road. Jeff climbs out of his car
and walks down the track to confront Jeff. As soon as Jeff gets there,
Jeff starts punching Jeff, only to be broken up by officials. Jeff and
Jeff are then escorted into the same ambulance and the conversation
between Jeff and Jeff had to be akward.


  150.   Yeet #PrayForWickens posted:
  01.02.2019 - 2:18 am
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2nd and final race of the short-lived career of Stavola Labonte Racing


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