|| *Comments on the 2011 Subway Fresh Fit 500:* View the most recent comment <#152> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Timmy Quivy posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The first fifty laps alone easily made this the best race of the weekend. Congrats to Jeff Gordon. I had a sneaking suspicion entering the season that Gustafson and he are going to be the dominant force for a while to come. Hope I'm right. 2. Andrew posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congratulations to Jeff Gordon on snapping a 66-race winning drought! Gordon looked like a new man in Victory Lane today. It's difficult to phrase just how much better it is for NASCAR to have Phoenix as the second race instead of California. There was no lack of excitement in today's race, that's for darn sure. Even the one long green-flag run had lead changes. Between Bayne winning the 500 and Gordon winning here, this season is off to a great start. 3. Timmy Quivy posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and another thought. With the way the postseason works now in NASCAR, Jeff Gordon is almost guaranteed a spot in the Chase now. I say this because logically, the predominant amount of winners will be in the Top 10. I will be surprised if two drivers in the 11-20 place range get a victory, so I think for some of these traditional Chasers each year, simply getting a victory even if they have a bad run of luck will be enough to lock them in. 4. 18fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watching replays, it looked like Kyle intentionally ran into Carl and started the crash that damaged Gordon's car. 5. Schroeder51 posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He's finally back in victory lane. Thought this winless streak would never end. But wow, were the first 100 laps insane. Never thought I'd see a 13 car crash at Phoenix. 6. jlpmghrs posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a good race. 7. RaceFanX posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon's first win with AARP's Drive to End Hunger as his sponsor and his first as Alan Gustafson as his crew chief. Daytona 500 winner Trevor Bayne had a rough weekend. A crash on his first lap of practice totalled his primary car and then he backed his backup into the wall and out of the race early in the race. 8. 00andJoe posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One day after the 1-200 BGN snoozefest that led to continual disgust at how boring Phoenix is, a record is set for the most lead changes in a Cup race at the track. Hm. (And yes, even I called for variable banking, so I'm not immune!) TBR stuns the NASCAR world by actually having the guts to announce in advance, via press release, that they'll be starting-and-parking. Robin Pemberton: the next thing to "no comment"; Me: three cheers for telling it like it is. Is there anyone else irritated by the "lying" reason-out reports? Jamie McMurray is officially listed as being out of the race, reason: "crash". Um, no. It used to be that drivers in his situation would be listed as out of the race, reason: "handling". A while back they changed it, and now a casual glance at the race report will make people go (in this case) "Hm, the 1 and the 6 had a wreck"... 9. Mike posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell yeah! It was great to see Jeff Gordon teach that punk a thing or 2. He's still the man! Jeff and Alan could pose a major threat to Jimmie and Chad. Dale Jr scores his first top 10 run at Phoenix since the fall of 2008. I listened to their radio communications all race and I was amazed at how good the communication was. They improved the car throughout the day and there was ZERO arguing all day long, which is a huge change from the previous crew chiefs Jr's had. Right now this looks like the perfect combination that could surprise a lot of people this year. 10. BON GORDON posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah!!! Haha! That was awesome. Congrats to Big Daddy. Ive been a fan for 10 years and it seemed like the winless streak would never end. They have the opportunity to have a great season. I thought that the hendrick cars would struggle but 3 of them finished in the top 10. Mark finished 13th or so. Had a better car than that i felt. Great save too. 11. jlpmghrs posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Phoenix was one of Dale's best tracks in 2009, and the crashes at the beginning took a lot of people out who would have finished ahead of him. Don't count your chickens too early. 12. RaceFanX posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The "Big One" oddly struck at Phoenix with a 13-car crash on lap 67, the wreck began when Matt Kenseth and Brian Vickers (in just his second race back from his 2010 health issues) got together in turn 2 which caused Vickers to spin at the front of the pack and cause the massive pileup. The melee happened right after the restart from the multi-car incident that ruined Carl Edwards' day. Kevin Harvick spun in the Edwards' incident but came back and finished 4th. This was his first race with Jimmy John's Gourmet Sandwiches as his sponsor. 13. KurtBusch22Fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the first time since the 1988 Daytona 500 that family members went 1-2 in the points standings. Bobby and Donnie Allison went 1-2 after the 1988 Daytona 500. Kyle and Kurt Busch are currently 1-2. 14. 18fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff ties Cale Yarborough with his 83rd career win and its his second at Phoenix. All Jeff has to do to make the Chase is finish in the top 20 in points and have more wins than all the others in the 11th-20th range. Kyle Busch leads the points for the first time since being seeded first at the beginning of the 2008. 15. Anonymous posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Watching replays, it looked like Kyle intentionally ran into Carl and started the crash that damaged Gordon's car." Maybe you should watch it again, this time actually paying attention to the wreck itself and not the bird right outside your window. And then once you've actually seen the crash (because no one with eyes who has seen the wreck would think it was intentional), you might want to go watch the interview with Busch after the race where he says it was an accident and apologizes. Or go back and watch a replay of the race and find the part where they played his in-car audio admitting that it was an accident. Or find any of the quotes from Busch about the race where he admitted it was a mistake. I mean really, did you not pay attention to anything today? 16. Eric posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last cup race before Phoenix gets reconfigured. Very good cup race in terms of passing for the lead at Phoenix. Dale Jr. got luck that he got a top 10. I am saying that because he had pit around 71 laps to go because of a loose wheel and the caution came out after the leaders pitted. Someone also needs to tell Dale Jr. to get his head up from his butt while on pit road. He overshot his pit and needed to be backed up. I don't don't recalled last time the big one happened at Phoenix before today. Jeff Gordon is now 1 win away from being tied with Darrell Waltrip in wins. I have to say Hendrick needs to get a better qualifying setup soon. I noticed during the later part of the 2010 season, Hendrick had problems getting cars in the top 10 for qualifying. This is a trend that needs to stop because you are going to be a wreck sooner or later because of a bad job of qualifying. 17. Cooper posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thought today's race was Three Stars. Very entertaining. Comments: --I think competition cautions are stupid, and it seems they just cause more trouble by having different strategies etc. I'm not sure if they were normal in the 80's/90's but when I started watching in 01' it was very rare to have a freebie yellow. --Wow these big wrecks are hurting alot of people for the chase. David Reutimann was involved in today's which makes him 2 for 2 in the big wrecks. Brian Vickers seemed really angry, for what I thought was a racing deal. It seemed Matt just simply got loose and made Brian lose control. --The racing was very good all day long. For what was supposed to be a "boring" race it had a lot of passing and lead changes. Seeing Jeff run down the "#1 driver in our sport" and boot him out of the way was like flashing back to 2001. Way to go Gordon and congratulations to all of his fans. 18. Jarrett88fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) An open question to all posters, Is it possible Kyle Busch needs the validation of having won all these races between the three series to feel on par with the legends of Nascar? Looking at wins alone, David Pearson had 105 wins. Busch has 88 overall wins and I think he wants 106+ and the adulation of the garage after accomplishing this feat. Its not just KB, but Harvick may have some of this mentality as well. I'm just throwing it out there. 19. jlpmghrs posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't understand what you're saying. Is he not supposed to want to win as many races as he can? Maybe Kyle just likes racing and winning because it's fun. Huh. 20. Mike posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Is it possible Kyle Busch needs the validation of having won all these races between the three series to feel on par with the legends of Nascar?" Of course he does. Some of these Cup drivers have to run the minor leagues to feel good about themselves because Jimmie has kicked their asses so bad. Maybe they should do what Jimmie Johnson does and just focus on the Sprint Cup car? I'm so sick of the media comparing Kyle's overall NASCAR wins to the great's CUP wins. I want to throw my TV out the window when they start slobbering all over Kyle and his precious minor league NASCAR wins. Kyle is not a pimple on Jimmie Johnson's rear end, and that is a fact. 21. DieselDan posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Call it a veteran move or a dirty move, the move that got Gordon the win was running Child Busch up and out of the groove going into turn 1 after getting even side with Child on the front straight. That got Child's tires dirty, slowing him down. I recall Cale Yarbrough doing something similar to Darrell Waltrip at Darlington years ago. 22. DaleSrFanForever posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I never dreamed I'd actually be pulling for Jeff Gordon at the end of a race like that. But that was Vintage Gordon. If there is anyone who can knock JJ off his streak, I think it will be Gordon IF he keeps the edge he showed in this race. You could see it in the way he was driving that car at the end. It was like the late 90s all over again. When Jeff sniffed the lead back then, he was a man on a mission. That is what seperated Jeff from the others back then, and it is what has seperated JJ from the others recently: That closing ability, the ability to pounce on the opportunites. He dialed the clock back today, if he can keep it dialed back, I think he is JJ's biggest threat. The other part he showed was the willingness to use his bumper. He bumped Kyle coming out of Turn 4 to get next to him, then in Turn 1 ran Kyle up the track into the marbles. Nice guys finish last. You have to have an element of meanness in you to be ultimately successful in Cup. Jeff has to get that back. Did you see Gustafson's reaction after that move? Here is what his body language said: "Mark never would have done that, and we'd have finished 2nd today". One last Godon thought: Is it just me, or does he have a New York accent now? Listening to his interview, it sounded like it. I know he spends a lot of time in Manhattan, but has he picked up the damn accent? And yeah, the "new, more mature Kyle" garbage that has been shoved down our throats for the 6th year in a row is just that: garbage. He was frustrated, so he just drove straight into Carl, ruining his day. Granted Carl doesn't have very good karma. But it was funny to see Kyle pit early because he didn't want to pass Carl and get wrecked. The chances of Carl wrecking him at some point in the future are between 100% and 100%. And Darrell Waltrip, you are an idiot. Do you really think we are stupid? "Kyle just got loose". Yeah, and I'm Bill Gates. He was going straight, then just abruptly cut right into Carl. We are not stupid. And the Dale Jr coverage was ridiculous. They were praising him for actually giving feedback to the crew chief. Poor Letarte had to treat him like a 3 year old. Overall great racing. Old asphalt does that, it wears tires out and changes handling leading to comers and goers. Fun race, even with the horrible commentary. 23. jlpmghrs posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle is not a pimple on Jimmie Johnson's rear end, and that is a fact." I knew you were delusional, but this is ridiculous. 24. Mike C posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To correct KurtBusch22Fan: It was Bobby and Davey Allison 1-2 in points after the 1988 Daytona 500, not Donnie. (I'm sure Davey is what you meant though - I mix up stuff all the time) Also, I didn't see the #99 listed as involved in an accident under the Cautions report. Does this come from NASCAR results? By the way, thanks for adding the Lucky Dog to the report as well! 25. Proud24Fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FINALLY 26. jlpmghrs posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "One last Godon thought: Is it just me, or does he have a New York accent now? Listening to his interview, it sounded like it. I know he spends a lot of time in Manhattan, but has he picked up the damn accent?" ...What? 27. DaleSrFanForever posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brian Vickers seemed really angry, for what I thought was a racing deal. It seemed Matt just simply got loose and made Brian lose control.: I agree, and Brian Vickers is the last person that should be complaining about that. For his first win (of only 2) he totally wiped out the first two cars ON THE STRAIGHTAWAY to get the win. He also won the Winston Open one year by wrecking the leader ON THE STRAIGHTAWAY. That was a racing deal, Matt just got loose. Vickers is also an idiot. That Maxim profile on him does not paint a flattering portrait. JarrettFan, I completely agree with you. Kyle will eventually reach 106 "NASCAR wins" and everyone will rave about how he passed the Silver Fox. And it will be complete crap. And yes, others also have to race in Trucks and Busch to get some taste of victory. This includes my driver. "I'm so sick of the media comparing Kyle's overall NASCAR wins to the great's CUP wins. I want to throw my TV out the window when they start slobbering all over Kyle and his precious minor league NASCAR wins. Kyle is not a pimple on Jimmie Johnson's rear end, and that is a fact." You said it better than I can! 28. potatosalad48 posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon breaks a 66 race winless streak, ties Cale Yarborough on the overall wins list and breaks the tie with Kyle Busch for overall NASCAR wins, a stat made up by the media to maske Kyle Busch seem like a racing God. Great job JG, never thought I'd see the 24 in victory lane again. On a sale of 1-5, I'd give this race 4 stars due to great racing, a record amount of lead changes and a 13 car wreck which was a continuation of Daytona. Also, Jr. finished 10th after a crash @ Daytona. Should be a great year. 29. Anonymous posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I said this on another comment page earlier this year, but it's true. NASCAR fans are the dumbest group of people on the planet by far. I mean it's not even close. I don't know why I expect any kind of intelligent comment from you people. It's been the same for the 15 years I've been a fan, and I can't even imagine the amount of brain cells I've wasted over the years reading through dreck like this. I guess that's what you get when your core fan base is from the southern United States. 30. Benny posted: 02.27.2011 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After watching a boring nwide race, this race was awesome. having phoenix as the second race of the season was a great idea. 31. Mike posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You said it better than I can!" Why is it we agree on everything other than Jr? lol 32. Anonymous posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) two good cup races in a row. is this possible? 33. John Royal posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was a bit afraid of this race after awesome Daytona opener, but heck, this was a just great race! Balanced race overall, and it was nice to see that there seemed to be no dominant driver, just many equal good drivers and cars. Nice race and right driver to win. 34. Jarrett88fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Having phoenix as the second race of the season was a great idea." Ditto, 100% better than Fontana, close but (no cigar) not quite the Rock... I like worn asphalt/comers and goers! 35. martin-n-rusty posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Could we be seeing the flip side of this new points system where no one wants to be caught dead in the back, and do their damnedest get get back to a reasonable position?!? 36. Spen posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Never thought I'd see the day I'd be happy to see Gordon win. But it was between him or Shrub, and I was cheering Gordon as hard as I could those last fifteen laps. 37. Anonymous posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And yeah, the "new, more mature Kyle" garbage that has been shoved down our throats for the 6th year in a row is just that: garbage. He was frustrated, so he just drove straight into Carl, ruining his day. Granted Carl doesn't have very good karma. But it was funny to see Kyle pit early because he didn't want to pass Carl and get wrecked. The chances of Carl wrecking him at some point in the future are between 100% and 100%. And Darrell Waltrip, you are an idiot. Do you really think we are stupid? "Kyle just got loose". Yeah, and I'm Bill Gates. He was going straight, then just abruptly cut right into Carl. We are not stupid." Wow. There are so many things factually wrong with this chunk of text. And yes, you are stupid. And possibly legally blind. Did you not see how many other drivers got loose and did the same thing Kyle did throughout the race? For chrissakes, Gordon did it while he was side by side with Busch when he was passing him for the win! The same damn thing caused the big wreck. Drivers were sliding around that same way, literally ALL DAY. How many times did Busch say he was "bouncing around like a ping pong ball" early in the race? He slid into Edwards, he slid into the wall at one point, he slid into Keselowski during another, all before his crew chief got the car figured out. Seriously, it's like every idiot payed attention to just this one part of the race, and then decided to ignore everything else to get online to make some retarded, factually untrue comment. Edwards didn't think it was intentional, but said he was going to wait to hear from Busch to make sure. Then, Busch said it wasn't intentional and apologized, multiple times. And that's the end of that story. Unless you want to keep living in a delusional fantasy world. 38. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now THIS was a race. Forget the jokes of the Truck and NW race, the Cup race is what sold the show this weekend. Awesome drive by Gordon to get around Kyle and beat him for the win! So far it looks like Jeff has good chemistry with Alan Gustafson as his crew chief. And holy crap, I actually pulled for Jeff Gordon? 10 years ago, I never would have done that. Looking at the replay of the Kyle/Carl contact that resulted in Carl taking Gordon into the wall with him, it sure looked like Kyle intentionally swerved into Carl. I don't feel sorry for Carl at all, but I don't think Kyle "just got loose". Pretty much everybody showed class about the big wreck EXCEPT Brian Vickers. When interviewed, he practically went on a tirade about how Matt Kenseth wrecked him and had payback coming when it was obvious Kenseth wiggled and got loose. He needs to watch a replay before he opens his mouth like that. I personally don't care for either of them, but Brian came off as a whiner in his interview. 39. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good race, cannot believe Im actually supporting Jeff Gordon. Interesting to see Kyle has found a new way to beat his main competitors, by bashing into them. Also good comebacks by Kevin Harvick, Mark Martin and Dale Earnhardt Jr., or even Jeff Gordon for that matter, who all suffered from some significant setbacks early in the race. Nice to see a sell out crowd at Phoenix again. 40. New 14&88 Fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When was the last time we had a big one at Phoenix, anyone remember? "Brian Vickers seemed really angry, for what I thought was a racing deal. It seemed Matt just simply got loose and made Brian lose control.: "I agree, and Brian Vickers is the last person that should be complaining about that. For his first win (of only 2) he totally wiped out the first two cars ON THE STRAIGHTAWAY to get the win. He also won the Winston Open one year by wrecking the leader ON THE STRAIGHTAWAY. That was a racing deal, Matt just got loose. Vickers is also an idiot. That Maxim profile on him does not paint a flattering portrait." This, I can understand being frustrated after getting caught up in a wreck not of your own doing but Vickers has no room to talk when it comes to stupid moves on the track...it was simply a racing deal. Speaking of which...the odds are pretty even that Carl will pay back Kyle for turning into him and running him up on the curb earlier in the race.Shrub even short pitted because Carl was running him hard whenever he got by him.Regardless of what "#1 Rowdy Busch Cheerleader" DW says, that looked pretty blatant.Kyle may be more mature in his post race interviews now(I'll give him credit for that)but we'll see what happens when something really goes wrong. 41. New 14&88 Fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and congrats to Jeff Gordon and the 24 team on breaking the winless drought, the Gordon/Gustafson combo really worked some magic especially after Jeff gota ught up in the aftermath of the Carl/Kyle Busch get together. 42. Fanof48team posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That race was awesome. How can't you like that race? 43. Smokefan05 posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #16 Well i could talk about that but i'd most likely get picked on for saying that Baby Buschs priorities aren't were they should be and that he is racing the minor leagues because he can't beat Jimmie Johnson and needs something to make himself feel better about himself. Big Daddy put the bumper to #18 and got the win. Good for Jeff, finally getting tired of being beaten all the time. Last time Phoenix will look like this. From what i've seen of the new layout the dogleg will stay but be moved back and the track will be re-paved. IDK about progressive banking but it'll make the racing here better. (sometimes i like the racing at PIR and sometimes i don't) 44. DaleSrFanForever posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ditto, 100% better than Fontana, close but (no cigar) not quite the Rock... I like worn asphalt/comers and goers!" Once again I agree with you JarrettFan. Rockingham was the perfect 2nd date. A small quirky track in a small town that wore tires and cars out. In other words, real racing no glitz, glamor, or gimmicks. Just a great race track and a lot of pine trees. Phoenix does come close. Quirky track, small town (it is actually pretty far from the city of Phoenix), cactus instead of pine trees, and no bullshit. The Rock gets the edge because the high banks allowed for fun side by side racing more constantly than Phoenix does. 45. DaleSrFanForever posted: 02.27.2011 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) One last thing I meant to mention: Kudos to Jeff for admitting his burnout was lame. It was. 46. I Seize the Day posted: 02.27.2011 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was ridiculous how much action FOX missed due to all the replays they were showing. 47. Schroeder51 posted: 02.27.2011 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, he hadn't had an opportunity to do a burnout in a while. He's out of practice. You couldn't expect it to be perfect. 48. Schroeder51 posted: 02.27.2011 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, for the second race in a row, Andy Lally, after being involved in a wreck, picks up the Rookie of the Race award. This time with no competition as Brian Keselowski failed to qualify for the race. 49. 18fan posted: 02.27.2011 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was good to see Jeff Gordon have that drive to win that he did at the end. He wasn't going to come off turn 2 in second once he got inside Kyle. It was almost like it was a flashback to the young Jeff. 4th time Jeff Gordon has won the second race of the year and three times the win came after a finish outside the top 10 at Daytona. 50. Smiff_99 posted: 02.27.2011 - 10:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger.........4th in points. Based on his improvment over the last 2 years and his solid start this year, I can easily see this guy winning races before this season's out. Rockingham should be back on the schedule by now, dammit. And if they ever bring it back, they oughta give it THREE dates, just to make up for the last 7 years with none. 51. Smiff_99 posted: 02.27.2011 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and I also thought it was a great race. The sad thing is (like many of you) I KNOW the racing could be this compelling in the NW series......if the friggin' Cup guys would just stay the F out. NASCAR seriously needs to split the two series' up..........like back in the day. the attendence for the NW races (with or without Cup guys) is already abysmal as it is.....so why not start sending them back to places like Hickory, Myrtle Beach, etc.? Especially on weekends when the Cup guys are on one of the many lame-ass cookie cutter tracks. Give us a weekend with variety. 52. Bronco posted: 02.27.2011 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Heartbreak for Carl, could easily have been his fourth straight top five were it not for the wreck. He now has three poles at Phoenix and holds the track record for now. This also marks his worst finish from the pole that wasn't a DNF. Gordon got pushed into the wall by Carl after his crash, and somehow rebounded to lead the most laps and win. In the process he redeems after losing the Phoenix win on a GWC restart to Newman. Harvick comes back for a top 5 as well after getting damaged. This race also returns to a 500k distance after being increased to 600 last year. "Dale Jr. got luck that he got a top 10." How was it luck that he got a top 10? When the big wreck occurred he was running about 16th after starting 35th, he then came into the pits to get fixed up after running into the back of the #00, but got a speeding penalty and restarted 27th, later he pitted for a loose wheel and overshot his pits and still finished 10th, after passing good cars like the #5,11,17,27 etc. If you overcome all that for a top 10 then you've earned it. 53. Eric posted: 02.27.2011 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, I am not debating how good the car is, but you have look at how his loose wheel played out. There was racing luck involved in that. Many times in the past, a car was a lap down under caution because of unexpected pit stops. Dale Jr. got a top 10 by luck because of the fact a caution didn't before the leaders had to pit under green after Dale Jr. had to pit early for a loose wheel or a caution occurred right after the leading pitted and being on the lead lap as a result. If a Caution happened anytime from lap 250 to lap 280, Dale's would have had a hard time getting a top 10. I am saying that because Dale wasn't in the spot for the lucky got for most of that time and he would have had to use the wave around. The around is a problem would be a problem with him because of his older tires trying to get a top 10 and he might not have had a chance to get new tires. If Dale had the lucky dog, he would have settled for a top 12 at best. The other thing to look at if there wasn't a caution on 287, Dale would be losing a lot of spots on the track due to older tires. The caution saved him in spots that could have been lost as a result. 54. Rusty posted: 02.27.2011 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Didn't watch the race because I went to an Orlando Magic game so I can't really comment on it. But congrats to Jeff Gordon on breaking that winless streak. 55. Eric posted: 02.27.2011 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rockingham isn't an ideal track for a cup race for a long time. The place is more suited for a Nationwide Race because of attendance. The problem comes down to it was in no man's land and the place had problem selling tickets. I am pretty sure Rockingham being basically in no man's land really jacked up the prices for in terms places to stay for race fans. The ticket problem also could also could be blamed on when the race dates happen. 2nd race of the season for Rockingham made almost as sense as Richmond did. Richmond had problems with cold weather or snow. Rockingham was in about the same position in problems for weather. The other tick problem might have been the amount cup races in that area at the time. 56. JP88 posted: 02.27.2011 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow what a crazy race...I thought they were still in Daytona. The first wreck looked intentional when you see the replay but I'm sure Kyle lost it because that dog leg can get hairy. Then Kenseth went to hard on the start and caused a huge wreck taking out the whole field. Vickers vowed retribution and I thought that made him out to look like a jerk. Clint Bowyer is another one that just strikes me as a jerk with his interview. Trevor Bayne showed he made the right decision and stuck to Nationwide as he misjudged and wreck himself out of the race, unfortunately for him he has wrecked almost every time he's hit the track this week. Travis Kvpail continues to show what kind of luck he has as he barely got clipped in "The Big One" and took a huge shot to the inside wall. David Ragan blew a tire and smashed the wall...HARD. If he hit at that angle like 8 years ago, he might not be here. I really feel bad for Ragan and others who have horrible luck. Then Jr. had a loose wheel toward the end of the race and I was waiting for the caution but luckily enough Jr. actually caught a break and notched a Top-10...but jeez I lol'ed at the Pizza Hut Fan Favorite and The AT&T Fastest Pit Crew...who else is gonna get the fan vote. I'm a huge Jr. fan but FOX should just disregard that whole thing , it's annoying. Then Big Daddy denies Wild Thing after putting the bumper to Kyle and finally wins a race after a 66-race winless drought...Congrats to JG24. Jeff Burton, David Reutimann, and Brian Vickers are all outside the top 30 in points and need to get going to get out of the huge hole. On the other hand, A.J Allmendinger is sitting tied for 3rd in the points and I think he's a contender and not a pretender. AJA making the chase will be a close call but I think he wins a race or 2 this year. 57. Eric posted: 02.28.2011 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What I meant by "The other tick problem might have been the amount cup races in that area at the time" is The other ticket problem might have been the amount cup races in that area at the time. 58. 18fan posted: 02.28.2011 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JP88, all the networks actually do the AT&T Fastest Pit Crew, but the fan favorite thing is just another excuse to talk about Junior. 59. 00andJoe posted: 02.28.2011 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #29 - I'd appreciate fewer bigoted comments, please. #51 - Exactly! I totally agree. Hmm. You know, Rockingham and North Wilkesboro are open again...and Nashville Speedway USA was kept open, too. Personally, I think Kyle really did have a problem when he ran into Carl, and I'm not convinced the problem was a loose nut behind the wheel. Even Kyle knows that you can't give somebody that blatant a shot and then say it looked like an accident; given the way his car was handling, I'm thinking it was genuine. That said, I'm reserving judgement on The New, Improved Rowdy Busch until after he gets into a genuine Mess. 60. Billy posted: 02.28.2011 - 2:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon becomes the first driver to score the maximum of 48 points under NASCAR's new point system. 61. the MAN posted: 02.28.2011 - 5:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG is back!!! 62. Frank posted: 02.28.2011 - 6:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Really sick of reading DSFF's decisions on who will likely unsettle JJ. Man, it's 2nd race of meaningless regular reason! And Jimmie finishes 3rd after horrible pitstop. Even if chase race will have similar results, 2 positions isn't too much. Can't value this race because didn't watch it from flag to flag and was quite sure there will be fake caution sometime. And it happened just for helping Dale Mears to get 10th place at the track that was among his best long time ago. Also Gordon's pass for the win wasn't a bit epic to elevate it. He was 0.3/lap quicker by that moment and surely Mark Martin could do the same. But nice to hear that Jeff talking about Kyle like someone he admire and proud to beat. Not taking effort from the driver, we've seen difference between Letarte and Gustafson right at the start. Jeff ties with next man on the all-time wins list at the same track. 4 years ago it was debatable act with #3 flag, now it was interesting to know that Cale was the first who gave Jeff Gordon an opportunity to drive Cup car. 63. Evan posted: 02.28.2011 - 6:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) First win for AARP Drive to End hunger and first race win for Gordon that was not in Pepsi, DuPont or National Guard colors. 64. RacingRocks57 posted: 02.28.2011 - 6:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK race. But that big wreck was amazing! If I was in the race and I got past I would have as much relief as not dying! Also even though I am a Mark Martin fan, I still am fine if Gustafson is Gordon's new crew cheif. I forgot is Gordon tied with Allison and Waltrip at 83? Or was it 84? Well anyway, great race for Phoenix. 65. Dodge posted: 02.28.2011 - 7:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What Kyle Busch did was uncalled for. It looked like Newman bumped him coming out of 2 and in my opinion after close examination, I believe he was trying to either cut down Newman's tire OR he was hoping he could wreck him. And before anybody slams me for my view, yes I did watch the whole race minus maybe 10 laps as I had to feed my animals since NASCAR just has to go to the west coast which I can't stand. 66. the_man posted: 02.28.2011 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan on a 36th place finish: ??We got caught up in that big wreck on the back straightaway and our UPS team did a great job of getting our car back out. We stayed on the lead lap and we were going to be able to make something out of the day, and then we just cut a right-front tire. We were probably within 10 or 15 laps of pitting and I don??t know if we ran over something or something was rubbing, but we were just riding around and the right-front went down.? 67. Frank posted: 02.28.2011 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon tied with Yarborough with 83. DW has 84. Bobby Allison has 85 68. eric posted: 02.28.2011 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RacingRocks57, Darrell Waltrip & Bobby Allison have 84 official cup wins according to Nascar despite Bobby Allison claiming he has 85 cup wins. 69. Jarrett88fan posted: 02.28.2011 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right RCRanPenskeguy... "And holy crap, I actually pulled for Jeff Gordon? 10 years ago, I never would have done that." I feel the same way. Around 2003, I started going neutral on Gordon and have actually grown to like him in the last few years especially since the Chase has screwed him out of another championship or two. Its strange because I get the sense other fans who pulled for driver A and against driver B, do respect the heck out of driver B as the years go on. It could mean their favorite or favorites retired , like mine did or have lost their competitive edge. Racing Rocks 57 - Gordon is tied with Cale Yarborough at 83 wins and is 1 win behind Allison and Waltrip. With the right chemistry this year, I see no reason why the future Hall of Famer can't get another 2 or 3 wins this year and move into sole possession of third in all-time Cup wins. 70. Eric posted: 02.28.2011 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #29. - I live in the Midwest, I have an accounting degree, I don't have a sister, and I am exactly close with my cousins. My parents are not related to each other at all. I don't drink a lot of alcohol and I never like the taste of beer. I a matter of fact never have been a big drinker of alcohol in my life despite being in my 30's. That means I am don't belong in "your typical Nascar fan description stereotype". 71. Eric posted: 02.28.2011 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #29- you sound like that type of a person join the protest in Madison, Wisconsin and join those folks in defacing a War Memorial inside the state capital building. That means you should like the mirror also. 72. Jarrett88fan posted: 02.28.2011 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Pizza Hut Fan Favorite will always be the weekly Jr. "progress report" as long as it remains a fan vote. I wonder if Pizza Hut is looking to do an associate sponsorship package with the #88 team? Did anyone catch Bob Osbourne's reaction to Edwards pancaking the wall? It was worthy of an award... Best Actor in a role: Alan Gustafson, #24 crew chief (elation!) Best Actress in a role: Samantha Busch, wife of Kyle Busch (denied!) Best Supporting actor in a role: Bob Osbourne, #99 crew chief (stomping!) Best Supporting actress in a role: Kyle Busch, #18 driver (rejection!!) 73. Jarrett88fan posted: 02.28.2011 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric - To add insult to injury in the defacing of a war memorial in the Wisconsin state capitol, groups of protesters have turned the capitol rotunda (a very beautiful interior, similar to the one I worked in down in Frankfort, KY) into their public hotel. I'm sure every inn, hotel and motel in Madison is booked solid! Even after the clear out deadline at 5PM on 27 February 2011, some of these people refused to leave their temporary residence at the capitol building... I feel for the clean-up crews. In Frankfort, we would get protesters in the capitol rotunda everyday, but after 5PM the place clears out. Now that I think about it... where was the Sargent at Arms on the floor of the Wisconsin Assembly last week when protesters got in the faces of Assembly members after the vote on the controversial bill? Those protesters should have been in the gallery, not on the floor with interns, staffers and Representatives shouting slogans. At long last, have they no shame? 74. 00andJoe posted: 02.28.2011 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #72 - How about we mount a write-in campaign to get Kevin Conway as the PHFF the next time he runs? ;) 75. 00andJoe posted: 02.28.2011 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and something else I just noted: it appears that drivers who have attempted but failed to qualify actually appear in the Official Points Standings now. Interesting. 76. CarlEdwards99 posted: 02.28.2011 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And Darrell Waltrip, you are an idiot. Do you really think we are stupid? "Kyle just got loose"." my favorite Darrell Waltrip Kyle Busch homer comment of the day was at the end of the race when Gordon was visibly pulling away from Kyle and Waltrip tried to convince everybody (including himself) that Kyle was closing in on him. 77. martin-n-rusty posted: 02.28.2011 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 75 - that had usually been the case, that they would show up on the standings (at least on NASCAR.com) 78. Talon64 posted: 02.28.2011 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't buy that Kyle just got loose, but I also don't think he cut down just to intentionally wreck Carl. He was frustrated over how the race was going for him, made an angry sharp turn to get back behind Newman and there was Carl behind him. But it doesn't matter whether Kyle intended to wreck Carl or if even this had been all Carl's fault somehow, I'm sure Carl will send Kyle for a ride the first chance he gets. But Carl should look at what happened to him and wonder if it was delayed karma for the shit he pulled last year with Keselowski, stuff he never really had to pay for other than getting parked at Atlanta when he was already wrecked and laps down, a minor points penalty in Nationwide and NASCAR's pointless probation. Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch are tied for NASCAR wins with 88. Sounds good, except Gordon has 83 Cup wins, tied for 5th best all time and could be top 3 by the end of the season, and 4 Cup championship. Kyle's got 19 Cup wins and... yeah. Chad Knaus has 4 wins at Phoenix with Johnson, but Alan Gustafson's the best CC ever at Phoenix; 3 wins with 3 different drivers (Kyle Busch in 2005, Mark Martin in 2009 and now Jeff Gordon). HMS now has 195 career Cup wins, just 5 away from joining Petty Enterprises as the only members of the 200 win club. This was HMS' 9th win at Phoenix, 8th in the last 12 Phoenix races. Kyle Busch gets just his 2nd top five in 12 Phoenix starts, his first since his win in 2005. Jimmie Johnson's 10th straight top five at Phoenix drops his average finish to 4.8 in 16 starts. Kevin Harvick gets just his 4th top five in 17 Phoenix starts, his first since his Phoenix sweep in 2006. Ryan Newman gets his 3rd straight top five at Phoenix, 6th in 18 starts. Kasey Kahne ties his best finish with Red Bull Racing to date in 6th, his 4th top ten in 14 Phoenix starts (20.4 average finish). Phoenix is now the 14th Cup track that Tony Stewart has at least 10 top tens at (in 19 Phoenix starts, 11.7 average finish). Kurt Busch also now has 10 top tens at Phoenix, in 17 starts. AJ Allmendinger gets his first top 10 in 6 Phoenix starts; he got his 1st career pole in this race last season and has a 17.7 average finish with 5 top 20 finishes, his 6th best track. Frank Stoddard's new Cup team has 15th and 24th place finishes in the first 2 races of the season and sits 20th in the owners standings ahead of 3 Childress and 3 Roush cars. Good shot of being in the top 35 after 5 races, and that'd be great if there was any chance of having more than 1 or 2 cars going home every race. 79. 00andJoe posted: 02.28.2011 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #78 - If that many; there's only 44 cars on the Vegas entry list, and that includes the 92, which I've heard won't actually be attemting another race until Bristol? Of course, on the flip side, it's a good year to start a race team. 80. 18fan posted: 02.28.2011 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darrell has gotten significantly worse as an announcer every year. 81. 18fan posted: 02.28.2011 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #79-Bristol is the next race after Vegas, so the 92 team probably decided since they were already out here on the west coast that they would go to Vegas. 82. DaleSrFanForever posted: 02.28.2011 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't buy that Kyle just got loose, but I also don't think he cut down just to intentionally wreck Carl. He was frustrated over how the race was going for him, made an angry sharp turn to get back behind Newman and there was Carl behind him." Exactly. Actually, I think he knew SOMEBODY was under him (although I'm pretty sure he didn't know it was Carl, seeing as how it will cost him a race in the future), and he was frustrated so he cut abruptly. I know "anonymous" shockingly said I am stupid for thinking this, then even more shockingly threw a bunch of grade school insults at me. But video evidence is pretty clear. Kyle was off Turn 2, going straight, then all at once cut hard left. The racin deals off Turn 2, they had spun well before the dogleg. Kyle cut abruptly only once they were at the dogleg. 83. Smokefan05 posted: 02.28.2011 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #29 you have a point but your going at it the wrong way. "some" NASCAR fans are idiots. But i will not go any farther then that. 84. Anonymous posted: 02.28.2011 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Exactly. Actually, I think he knew SOMEBODY was under him (although I'm pretty sure he didn't know it was Carl, seeing as how it will cost him a race in the future), and he was frustrated so he cut abruptly. I know "anonymous" shockingly said I am stupid for thinking this, then even more shockingly threw a bunch of grade school insults at me. But video evidence is pretty clear. Kyle was off Turn 2, going straight, then all at once cut hard left. The racin deals off Turn 2, they had spun well before the dogleg. Kyle cut abruptly only once they were at the dogleg. " OMG U R SUCH AN EXPERT I WISH I KNEW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE THINKING LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SO COOL FOR KNOWING SO MUCH MORE THAN THE DRIVERS THEMSELVES. Kyle Busch, about the incident with Carl Edwards: "On Lap 59, Kyle Busch ran into Carl Edwards ?? not the first time those two have banged together ?? and it essentially ended Edwards?? day, taking out what may have been the fastest car in the race. Edwards got back out, but finished 28th, 60 laps behind the winner. ??Unfortunately, the car got out from under me and I got into Carl and completely destroyed his day,? Busch said. ??I apologize to him.? Busch said he made a mistake when his car bobbled, leading to the accident that also involved Kevin Harvick and Bobby Labonte. ??I just got a little loose and when I caught it, I steered down to get behind (Ryan Newman) and never looked in my mirror,? Busch said. ??I turned down right across him.? BUT BUT BUT BUT DALESRFANFOREVER KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED BETTER THAN KYLE BUSCH AND CARL EDWARDS THEMSELVES BECAUSE HE'S SO COOL AND SMART AND EVERYONE TOTALLY LIKES HIM. 85. RacingRocks57 posted: 02.28.2011 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks guys. But the only problem is that Cale is my favorite driver! 86. 18fan posted: 02.28.2011 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After looking like a 15 year veteran at Daytona, Trevor Bayne looked like a driver in only his third Cup start at Phoenix. 87. JP88 posted: 02.28.2011 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Edwards will retaliate...he's an a-hole. Kyle was so afraid from him so he pitted, which was very smart because Carl would of found a way to flip him, even though it was Phoenix. 88. Bronco posted: 03.01.2011 - 2:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But Carl should look at what happened to him and wonder if it was delayed karma for the shit he pulled last year with Keselowski, stuff he never really had to pay for other than getting parked at Atlanta when he was already wrecked and laps down, a minor points penalty in Nationwide and NASCAR's pointless probation." Lol, you seem to have forgotten the order of events. Forget the last lap at Talladega '09, or the Atlanta incident which put Edwards in the garage in the first place, but go back to Memphis '09 in the Nationwide race. Brad completely wrecked Carl on the back stretch, not getting loose in the corner or anything, but by flat out running into the back of him since he probably had fresher tires and was trying to win the race. So as far as I see it, Carl's move at Atlanta was simple payback, something that Jason Ratcliff had called three months earlier. I know you won't believe this either, but its probably safe to say that Carl and his crew probably weren't smart enough to figure out the exact angle and velocity and position on the racetrack for Carl to retaliate where he could get the #12 to go airborne. It's hilarious to hear people talk about Carl as if he's some sort of a murderer simply because he managed to flip the #12 over, while completely glossing over Leffler wrecking Buescher at Nashville, Reutimann wrecking Kyle at Kansas, Kurt wrecking Jeff Gordon at Martinsville just because the "victim" car stayed on the ground. 89. 18fan posted: 03.01.2011 - 2:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This win makes Nicorette the only sponsor Gordon's never won with. 90. Watto posted: 03.01.2011 - 5:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As far as the Kyle Busch wreck, I was pretty convinced when I saw it that the contact with the 99 was accidental but that it wasn't caused by him getting loose and sliding into the 99. One of the replays showed that Newman moved him out of the way, so I think Kyle tried to get back in line quickly (and possibly rough Newman up), but didn't realize the 99 was there. And the anonymous poster snapping in reply #84 basically confirms that what I thought is what happened given this quote: ??I just got a little loose and when I caught it, I steered down to get behind (Ryan Newman) and never looked in my mirror,? Busch said. ??I turned down right across him.? ----------------- "Call it a veteran move or a dirty move, the move that got Gordon the win was running Child Busch up and out of the groove going into turn 1 after getting even side with Child on the front straight. That got Child's tires dirty, slowing him down. I recall Cale Yarbrough doing something similar to Darrell Waltrip at Darlington years ago." I thought it was pretty obvious that Jeff got loose entering 1. He didn't try to run Kyle up the track. You can tell by how the car is moving, how he's steering it, etc. It wouldn't have mattered anyway, because Jeff chased him down, so obviously he had the speed to put some distance on Kyle once he cleared him. Getting Kyle's tires dirty isn't the move that gave Gordon the win. "Forget the last lap at Talladega '09..." What, the accident that Carl Edwards himself took the blame for MULTIPLE TIMES? Also the Atlanta accident was very much a racing deal. Brad held his line, Carl came down, but it was early on and Carl didn't expect the hole to close. You seem to really love to hate on Brad, but try to look at those situations without bias. 91. Watto posted: 03.01.2011 - 6:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That hit David Ragan took was downright brutal. I'm real glad he's alright. Dale Jr's top 10 run was amore respectable than people are making it out to be, but obviously it's not a sign that he's gonna make the chase or something yet. We'll see where he stands weeks from now to get a better idea of how it's looking. It seems like people just wanna shoot the guy down, but he came from the back a bunch. When Jr was running around 20th, it was only because he restarted 27th just laps before, or was coming from 35th at the start of the race. Jr was good enough to run in the top 10 today and ended up getting a P10 finish because of it. I also think there's some potential with Brad & Paul Wolfe in the 2 car, despite a somewhat mediocre day for them. They missed on a few adjustments early on and got some damage that made him tighter, but they got the car good enough to run top 10 times by the end of the race after being able to keep himself in the top 10 for a good bit early on. The 4 with Kasey Kahne has also looked very solid so far. 92. Dodge posted: 03.01.2011 - 7:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I recall correctly and I believe I am, when Brad got into Edwards at Memphis in 2009, they were behind some guys that stayed out during a caution that weren't too quick and all of a sudden there was a slower car that almost stopped coming onto the backstretch which ended up slowing up Carl and Brad didn't have enough time to slam the brakes on to avoid Carl. Bronco, go back to under the bridge where ya belong, goofball! I am not a big Carl fan due to his antics last year but still kinda hope for success for him since he earned his ride by going the right way in NASCAR. 93. CBASS posted: 03.01.2011 - 8:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) After the snoozefests of the Trucks & Nationwides, the Cup race turned into the best thing NASCAR could have hoped for after that 500. Not only was it an exciting race with tons of passes or the lead and big crash (I know, I know, but that's what the casual/ nonfan is looking for in NASCAR coverage), but to have a popular veteran in Gordon snap a winless streak. I was worried after the Nationwide race for another boring race, but this race blew everyone away. Nice to see Gilliland finish in 22nd, and Skinner in 24th. Gilliland got some damage in the big one but powered through it till the end. The team even got TMone, who were only supposed to be on the car for that one race, to come back at Vegas. And Skinner, for the team that has little $$$, looks like Frankie Stoddard will be able to keep his car in the top 35. Awesome win for Gordon. Loved that intimidator move at the end. Just got him loose just a little bit so he could power by. Busch would have flat out wrecked him in the same situation. And to be short on the subject, my personal belief that close racing in tight quarters led to the Edwards incident. Just a racing accident ;) 94. Bronco posted: 03.01.2011 - 9:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If I recall correctly and I believe I am, when Brad got into Edwards at Memphis in 2009, they were behind some guys that stayed out during a caution that weren't too quick and all of a sudden there was a slower car that almost stopped coming onto the backstretch which ended up slowing up Carl and Brad didn't have enough time to slam the brakes on to avoid Carl." Fail. Get some corrective eye surgery and then look at the replay again. The only car ahead of Carl was the #34 of Tony Raines who wasn't "almost stopped". Nice try though. Look at the side view at 3:26 and then try give me the crap about Carl slowing down and Brad not being able to stop in time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNNrQek1rUg 95. Cooper posted: 03.01.2011 - 9:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watto, when it comes to Bronco and his comments, once he mentions "Brad" I just usually skip the rest of the comment. But other than his hate for Brad, Bronco seems to be an intelligent poster. Just make sure you ignore him when he talks about Brad. 96. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.01.2011 - 10:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What, the accident that Carl Edwards himself took the blame for MULTIPLE TIMES? Also the Atlanta accident was very much a racing deal. Brad held his line, Carl came down, but it was early on and Carl didn't expect the hole to close. You seem to really love to hate on Brad, but try to look at those situations without bias." Exactly. Only the Memphis incident was Brad's fault, which he admitted to. At Atlanta and Dega, Carl clearly cut across Brad's hood. Carl has just had a chip on his shoulder for Brad ever since he entered NASCAR and got in good equipment. I guess he's afraid Brad will take his "normal guy who got the break of a lifetime and made the most of it" title from him. Judging by Brad's Cup results, Carl had little to worry about (so far). He should feel pretty dumb right about now. "??Unfortunately, the car got out from under me and I got into Carl and completely destroyed his day,? Busch said. ??I apologize to him.? Busch said he made a mistake when his car bobbled, leading to the accident that also involved Kevin Harvick and Bobby Labonte. ??I just got a little loose and when I caught it, I steered down to get behind (Ryan Newman) and never looked in my mirror,? Busch said. ??I turned down right across him.?" All of that is complete horse shit. The video shows it clearly. He gets off Turn 2 fine, and is going in a "straight" line with the rest of traffic (riding along the dogleg) then all at once his car cuts dead left. His car wasn't bobbling when it made "The Cut". If he truly was trying to save it, it would have been sideways when it cut. But it wasn't. Plus, when you change lanes, you drift over, you don't just yank it hard left. If Carl wasn't there, he would have driven himself straight into the grass and wrecked himself. And he has one of the best spotters in the garage (or on the roof), he knew damn well somebody was under him. I would have loved to know what he was thinking when he found out it was Carl. 97. Anonymous posted: 03.01.2011 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I would have loved to know what he was thinking when he found out it was Carl." Just make it up in your head. You don't seem to have any problem fabricating any other part to the story and then acting like it's fact, so just make it up. Then take that made up bulls*** and use it to act smug and superior to everyone else, because you know so much more than the guys actually out there doing the driving. In other words, pull a "DaleSrFanForever" on this whole thing! 98. Smokefan05 posted: 03.01.2011 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Watto, when it comes to Bronco and his comments, once he mentions "Brad" I just usually skip the rest of the comment. But other than his hate for Brad, Bronco seems to be an intelligent poster. Just make sure you ignore him when he talks about Brad." *ding ding ding* Here is our winner today ladies and germs. what does he win? A pat on the back. :p lol 99. Dodge posted: 03.01.2011 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree Smokefan about Bronco. He is an idiot that is still living in the past. He needs to get a clue. I've seen a lot of drivers have issues in my 16 years of being a NASCAR fan and he is the ONLY one that to this day everytime we have an altercation on track and people GIVE THEIR OPINIONS, he brings up the Brad/Carl incidents and insults those that don't agree with him/her. You know what they say about opinions, don't ya Bronco? Why badmouth people for their opinions? I do it to you because you've done it to me. 100. Smokefan05 posted: 03.01.2011 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Growing old is mandatiory, growing up is opitional. 101. 18fan posted: 03.01.2011 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, you might have forgotten, but Jeff Dickerson isn't Kyle's spotter any more. Ironically, he now spots for Jeff Gordon. 102. Talon64 posted: 03.01.2011 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's hilarious to hear people talk about Carl as if he's some sort of a murderer simply because he managed to flip the #12 over, while completely glossing over Leffler wrecking Buescher at Nashville, Reutimann wrecking Kyle at Kansas, Kurt wrecking Jeff Gordon at Martinsville just because the "victim" car stayed on the ground." The result doesn't matter to me, the action does. Actions like single handedly taking out all of Petty Enterprises at Bristol (2005, I think)? Or all but wrecking Elliott Sadler in a NNS race at Richmond in 2005 to win? Or his Days of Thunder move on Dale Jr. in a NNS Michigan race in 2006 (Dale Jr. was asking for something after spinning out Carl but not that). Or the fake-out punch on Matt Kenseth in 2007? Or his bump and run at Milwaukee on Clint Bowyer for the NNS win at Milwaukee in 2008? And after all of the shit he pulls it's either "aw shucks" or he rips off his buddy John Cena with the "I won't be pushed around" babyface wrestling goon stick. When in reality he's the one who does the pushing. I'm just completely sick of it and I can't comprehend the people who fall or it, just like the 6 year old kids and dumb girls who like Cena in the WWE. 103. JP88 posted: 03.01.2011 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^LMFAO about the Cena part, but yeah that's why I can't stand Carl either...he's bipolar and last year Kevin Harvick nailed it on the head and said "Carl is FAKE" 104. Watto posted: 03.01.2011 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "All of that is complete horse shit." I think you're disagreeing with a quote that you actually agree with. He did get loose.. but it was out of turn 2. Newman moved him out of the way, so he was saving the car. After he caught the car and was totally fine, he says "I steered down to get behind (Ryan Newman) and never looked in my mirror". I mean, that's exactly what happened. Newman moved him, and he steered down to probably give Newman crap with no idea that Carl was there because he says he never looked in his mirror. His car wasn't out of control. I've seen people make moves like that out of anger or just trying to win the race. He wasn't gonna be in the grass, he was just forcing his car to get right back on Ryan Newman because he was probably gonna move him back. 105. Josh C posted: 03.01.2011 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Im pissed I was sick and went to sleep about lap 120. Gordon or stewart waas leading i cant remember but i just figured that jimmie my johnson would end up winning the race. awsome for gordon, hopefully big daddy will win a much overdue deserved championship this season after having a couple taken away from him! still think that it is kyles year though. just have a feeling. anyone but another 48 championship please 106. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 03.02.2011 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I actually don't think Carl will retaliate against Kyle unless another incident occurs next week or in the near future where Kyle happens to make contact with Carl. If Kyle gets into him at any point within the near future, I definitely expect Carl to flip out. He's had a long list of confrontations where he displayed questionable behavior. Just read Talon's post to see all of them, although he forgot Carl walking into Kevin Harvick's garage area and starting a fight. 107. Eric posted: 03.02.2011 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jarrett88fan, Part of the problem is ruling of the state court in Madison, Wisconsin ignoring the 6:00 closing rule. The other problem is the national guard need to be called in now or very shortly. While I don't live in Madison, WI, The protest at the capital is even more uglier now based on what it sounds of the radio. A state Senator was chased and trapped by hecklers at the state capital of Madison despite my local paper not reporting it. It was taped and it is on youtube. 108. martin-n-rusty posted: 03.02.2011 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why the hell are we talking about political crap?!? 109. Jarrett88fan posted: 03.02.2011 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric- That is absolutely wretched... the demonstrators' main slogan is "this is what democracy looks like." Haha! Right, Gov. Walker needs assistance from the National Guard soon. I have no problem with them staying at the capitol building during business hours, but to occupy a public place for over two weeks 24 hours around the clock is disrespectful. Peaceable assembly doesn't include sleep-in occupation. Carl Edwards will wait till mid-season or so to retaliate against Kyle Busch. However, if Edwards is locked in before Richmond, expect an incident with Busch to hamper his chances of making the Chase. 110. Talon64 posted: 03.02.2011 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was Kyle Busch's 15th career runner-up finish in Cup; Kyle had 3 last season but none in 2009. 111. Eric posted: 03.02.2011 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nascar now has announced the induction ceremony of the 2012 Nascar Hall of Fame class in Jan. 2012. The voters will vote on June 14th. Source: http://www.nascar.com/news/110302/hall-of-fame-induction-ceremony-date/index.html I don't know when Nascar will announce the 25 people for the 2012 class ballot. I really question the month of the induction ceremony. My problem does to the NFL Playoffs happen in the month and who knows what the weather will be in Charlotte, NC. in January. There is a chance of snow happening some part of the south in that month. I don't think the south is equipped for it as much as Wisconsin or other Midwest States are. 112. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.02.2011 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And after all of the shit he pulls it's either "aw shucks" or he rips off his buddy John Cena with the "I won't be pushed around" babyface wrestling goon stick. When in reality he's the one who does the pushing. I'm just completely sick of it and I can't comprehend the people who fall or it, just like the 6 year old kids and dumb girls who like Cena in the WWE." That pretty much sums it up. One other factor working for Carl: He gets the "Tony Stewart Memorial Treatment" from TV and NASCAR because he is associated with many "official sponsors of NASCAR" especially Aflac. " says "I steered down to get behind (Ryan Newman) and never looked in my mirror". I mean, that's exactly what happened. Newman moved him, and he steered down to probably give Newman crap with no idea that Carl was there because he says he never looked in his mirror. His car wasn't out of control. I've seen people make moves like that out of anger or just trying to win the race. He wasn't gonna be in the grass, he was just forcing his car to get right back on Ryan Newman because he was probably gonna move him back." Good post, and I respect your stance, but I disagree. That was a very abrupt left and he was frustrated about falling back through the field. That wasn't "steering over" I honestly think he may have been trying to take himself out of the race. 113. Bronco posted: 03.02.2011 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Watto, when it comes to Bronco and his comments, once he mentions "Brad" I just usually skip the rest of the comment. But other than his hate for Brad, Bronco seems to be an intelligent poster. Just make sure you ignore him when he talks about Brad." Good one Cooper, but just to set the record straight, I have no hate for Brad or any other driver. I'm not the type to rag on someone because 1) all their Cup wins came on restrictor plate tracks when that team was dominant or 2) because they drive for their father or have their father's company sponsor them. With Brad I just don't think he's all that talented as he's made out to be. Sure he dominated his way to a Nationwide championship and won a 500 mile Cup race in only his 5th start, but I just don't think he'll ever be an elite driver. Forget winning multiple championships, or being a perennial championship contender, or winning double digit races but not always being a championship threat, I just don't see him being anything more than a 15th to 25th place guy who scores an odd win here or there and makes a Chase or two. In other words, it looks he's going to have a Truex/Sadler/Mayfield/Vickers kind of career, as opposed to an Edwards/Hamlin/Busch career. Even in this race he finished only 15th. Not a bad result, but when you take into account the fact that he qualified in the top 10, didn't get damage in one of the wrecks, had a teammate that started on the front row and led laps, he should have finished a few spots higher than 15th. For his sake, let's hope next week is better. 114. Watto posted: 03.02.2011 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Bronco, that's a pretty level-headed post. I can dig that. I mean, I'm a big Brad fan going back to before he even got the opportunity to run the Germain truck which jumpstarted his career in the 88 Busch/Nationwide car. I don't think he's going to be a Cup championship contending driver, but there's some potential that he can have years where he makes the top 10 and whatnot and you never know how things will turn out if he keeps maturing and finds himself in a better place. I heard he actually did get damage during one of the wrecks at Phoenix. Nothing serious, but he messed up one of the fenders which made him really tight. Supposedly they fixed it up and he was ok at the end of the race. With Paul Wolfe, it'll be interesting to see how much better last year's 12 team does this year. I think Penske has been lacking compared to Gibbs/Hendrick/etc, which is what makes Kurt Busch all the more impressive to me. They need to start racking up more top 10s. 115. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 03.03.2011 - 12:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One thing I haven't mentioned yet is Trevor Bayne's horrible week. First he started out Friday practice with a wreck and had to go to a backup car for the Cup race. Then, he ends up crashing his Nationwide car in the Nationwide race, and follows that up with another wreck in the Cup race after misjudging whether Travis Kvapil had his nose under him or not. I hope he has better luck next week. I'd like to see both he and the Wood Brothers do decently. I think a reasonable goal for him is to score as many top 15-top 20 finishes as he can. 116. TimmyH posted: 03.03.2011 - 3:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I honestly think he may have been trying to take himself out of the race." Well then congratulations, because that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Your complete hatred for another human being is literally making you dumber. You've become blind to logic and reason, and are willing to believe outright lies as fact to support your opinions about a person that you dislike so deeply it, it's actually affecting your critical thinking. You've entered a rarefied air, usually only reserved for the criminally insane. I mean really, congratulations, that's tough to achieve without having some kind of mental disorder, but you got there purely through blind hatred, ignorance, and an uncanny ability to ignore the real world. In other news, what does everyone think of the Hall of Fame induction ceremony moving to the off season? Seems like a good move, it places a little more attention on the nominees, and keeps NASCAR in the news during a stretch of the year dominated by football. I think if you'd pair the induction ceremony with some kind of exhibition race featuring a few nominees or inductees from that year if possible, plus other retired retired drivers, you'd have a solid weekend for fans to focus on racing and get fired up for the upcoming season. Just don't broadcast anything the same time an NFL game is going on. NASCAR needs to stop thinking it can compete with their draw, and start working around their schedule to give people more races when there isn't football to watch. If running some kind of throwback legends race isn't feasible, I'd like to see NASCAR bring back the idea of a pre-season exhibition race, like the one they used to run in Japan. Let's see a pre-season race run one weekend in Europe, or Japan again, or Australia, or Mexico, or switching from location from year to year. I know a lot of the drivers have families and love the off-time, but you know half of those guys are jonesing to get back behind the wheel come January. So give them a few days in some exotic location with a decent amount of cash for winner (not necessarily 1 million, but a lot), get the fans excited for the season, and try to grow the sport in a new market. If flying entire teams and cars across the ocean is too expensive, I think any number of places in Mexico would be a closer, cheaper alternative, and a great market for NASCAR to expand it's influence further into. Unless NASCAR is content to stick with their plan of marketing themselves solely as an american southwest institution, while hoping everyone else in the country just "figures it out", they're going to keep seeing dwindling attendance and ratings. Come on NASCAR, your tracks, drivers, and teams have already started to diversify and have come to represent a wide range of areas and people. Stop acting like every decision needs to be based on keeping some redneck living in a trailer park in Alabama watching your racing. You don't need just that type of fan, NASCAR, so for the love of god stop pandering to them! There are other fans. Believe it or not, some of them might even live in other countries, if you cared enough to find them and not alienate them because they aren't southern or American. And did I mention the best part? They have TV's to watch racing and cash to spend on merchandise and tickets too! That means more $$$$$ in your pocket, Brian France! 117. Nascarfan880 posted: 03.03.2011 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Best race at phoenix.... ever 118. Cooper posted: 03.03.2011 - 10:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well TV Ratings are both up from last year and on pace with two years ago. Viewers are coming back to the sport. In addition to that NASCAR has really become one of the frontrunners with technology to make the sport more feasible to the fans. Through cell phones, the computer and other technology based communications fans can watch the race anytime, anyplace and anywhere. I think that NASCAR has more to focus on then foreign markets at this moment. Eventually NASCAR will become global but I don't see this occuring for at least another five years. 119. Smokefan05 posted: 03.03.2011 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think that NASCAR has more to focus on then foreign markets at this moment. Eventually NASCAR will become global but I don't see this occuring for at least another five years." Agree 100% Unlike F1, NASCAR has room to grow over seas. I don't think NASCAR will be like F1 but atleast NASCAR wouldn't have to reley on the US for viewer ship and fans. 120. Talon64 posted: 03.03.2011 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "With Brad I just don't think he's all that talented as he's made out to be. Sure he dominated his way to a Nationwide championship and won a 500 mile Cup race in only his 5th start, but I just don't think he'll ever be an elite driver. Forget winning multiple championships, or being a perennial championship contender, or winning double digit races but not always being a championship threat, I just don't see him being anything more than a 15th to 25th place guy who scores an odd win here or there and makes a Chase or two. In other words, it looks he's going to have a Truex/Sadler/Mayfield/Vickers kind of career, as opposed to an Edwards/Hamlin/Busch career." Why can't you always be this rational? lol Only once in the last 8 seasons has more than one Penske car been close to real contenders, 2005 when Ryan and Rusty finished 6th and 7th in the standings. 2007 is the next closest when Kurt had a couple wins and Ryan was close a bunch of times but missed the Chase. And most of that was between 3 quality drivers in Rusty, Kurt and Newman. Roger Penske wouldn't have wanted him in a full time Cup ride as early as 2009 unless he believed he could do the job. Hopefully Penske can bust the trend and BraKes can live up to it. 121. 00andJoe posted: 03.03.2011 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #116 - We've got ovals in England, Germany (albieit tainted), and Japan, and if we look at road courses there's Surfer's Paradise in Australia where they've actually run an exhibition race in the past. Two in Australia. Actually...hang on...is that oval in Rio that the IndyCars ran on still there? Given the number of Brazilian drivers starting to percolate up in to NASCAR (mostly trucks, so far), that could be perfect. Play up the JPM vs Nelson Piquet Jr aspect - heck, put Christian Fittipaldi back in a car for one race! Given how sports-crazy they are down there, that could really become a Big Thing. 122. 00andJoe posted: 03.03.2011 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) re the above: "two in Australia" was supposed to be "two in Mexico" - my brain had already skipped ahead to Rio, heh. 123. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 03.04.2011 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Eventually NASCAR will become global but I don't see this occuring for at least another five years." I agree. The rate that NASCAR has grown in the past 20 years is pretty impressive. Although some don't like it, we went from regular race broadcasts to building toward mainstream broadcasting starting in '01 when FOX/NBC/TNT (TNT being my favorite of the three!) started covering the races. Yet despite all this, there are still people out there who will claim that NASCAR isn't popular. 124. Smokefan05 posted: 03.04.2011 - 1:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yet despite all this, there are still people out there who will claim that NASCAR isn't popular." Most of those are IRL and F1 fans. Bill Jr. and Brian France (yes he gets some credit!!!!!!!!!!) are to thank for getting NASCAR to where is it right now. *with the TV deals, which the current one has sadly backfired alittle on NASCAR* Hell maybe inside 10 years, we can all see a NASCAR points paying race in Europe. Canada will come shortly when and if NASCAR gets rid of another Cookie-Cutter date. IRL isn't going isn't going anywhere because they are still on Vs. and Tony George is back. They have a 6 years left on Vs. And with maybe the NFL (i hope to god this happens) lock out NASCAR can gain some ground. And rumblings tell me that an NBA one is (from Micheal Wilbon on PTI) certainly going to happen too. 125. Jarrett88fan posted: 03.04.2011 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And with maybe the NFL (i hope to god this happens) lock out NASCAR can gain some ground. And rumblings tell me that an NBA one is (from Micheal Wilbon on PTI) certainly going to happen too." I sure hope a temporary NFL lock-out goes forward into September, for France's and Nascar's sake. With the reinvigorated point system, slightly higher TV ratings comparable to 2010 and 2009, decent quality racing and the marketability of Trevor Bayne, I don't see why Nascar can't gain some ground in the short and long term this season. Nascar has the potential to go through a bit of a renaissance in 2011, questionable TV deal outcomes aside. 126. Cooper posted: 03.04.2011 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whether people like it or not the NFL is going on strike. I've already planned on that a couple of months ago. I predicted in my blog that NASCAR would average a five rating and right now they have been above that in both races. The strike for the NFL is going to happen and NASCAR must capitalize. And yes the NBA will strike as well. The teams are losing to much money and the players contracts are continuously soaring. And that's why I love NASCAR, I know it will be here every Sunday for the next 100 years. 127. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.04.2011 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well then congratulations, because that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Your complete hatred for another human being is literally making you dumber. You've become blind to logic and reason, and are willing to believe outright lies as fact to support your opinions about a person that you dislike so deeply it, it's actually affecting your critical thinking. You've entered a rarefied air, usually only reserved for the criminally insane. I mean really, congratulations, that's tough to achieve without having some kind of mental disorder, but you got there purely through blind hatred, ignorance, and an uncanny ability to ignore the real world." And your point is.....? If you disagree, tell me why. If you think Kyle wouldn't do that, look at 2009. The Chicago race really comes to mind. He was frustrated, hit the wall making a bonzai move, then after pitting to fix the damage revved his motor leaving the pits so hard for so long, just keeping his foot on the gas, the commentators openly wondered whether or not he was trying to blow it up. I don't deny Kyle's talent. I think he has the most natural driving talent on the circuit right now (including Tony). But I can't believe how many people (not necessarily here) are really buying this whole "new mature Kyle" garbage. First of all, this gets brought up at the beginning of every year only for him to melt down at some point (usually when he really needs a good run) and show he hasn't grown up a bit. They talk about how apologetic he was after the wreck, HE WRECKED CARL FREAKING EDWARDS!!!! That guy is a psychopath. He was apologetic because he is scared shitless. Hell, he pitted 20 laps early in this race just to avoid having to pass Carl. As for the move, I think he was frustrated, and as usual just lost his mind. I think he just said "F*** it!" and cut hard left and let whatever happened, most likely bad, happen. He's done it before, and he'll do it again. Had he not wrecked somebody who may or may not be responsible for the Zodiac killings, he probably would have blamed it on them. 128. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.04.2011 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The deal with Brad is he has to get in sync with Penske Racing. My optimism for his future is based on his perfomances in part time Hendrick equipment in 2009. If he can find the comfort level he had in those cars in Penske's Dodges he will do well in my opinion. Aside from his win at Talladega, he had outstanding runs in the #25 GoDaddy car at Darlington, Chicago (a flat tire ruined his finish), and Kansas (where NASCAR told him to roll over for the cha$e contenders). I think, had the original plan happened in 2009 with Mark retiring and Brad taking over the #5 car, he'd be a Top 10 driver right now. But Mark decided to stick around (and Rick has made him pay) and Brad moved to Penske. Hopefully working with Paul Wolfe will help him. I really like Paul as a crew chief, and they have chemistry. But overall, he is what he is. A one race winner. Time to pick it up. 129. Cooper posted: 03.04.2011 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hmmm Carl Edwards psychopath gimmick. Could work very well for the WWE. 130. TimmyH posted: 03.05.2011 - 1:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you disagree, tell me why." There is no need to disagree, because there is no argument. For an argument there would need to be two opposing, but equally valid points. There isn't. Busch said what happened, all evidence supports it, and you've still chosen to believe something else entirely. And I think that is pretty dumb. And I feel sorry for someone so willfully ignorant, especially if that ignorance is caused by blind hatred. But hey, what do I know, I thought being a rational human is the way you're supposed to go through life. 131. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.05.2011 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol. If YOU don't have an argument, which you don't, then admit to it. Trying to blame me because you have nothing to say is pretty silly. We've been doing a lot better on this board in having good, mature conversations ("anonymous" notwithstanding) lately. Please don't mess that up Timmy. Just either keep quiet or say "I have no case". 132. TimmyH posted: 03.05.2011 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lol. If YOU don't have an argument, which you don't, then admit to it. Trying to blame me because you have nothing to say is pretty silly. We've been doing a lot better on this board in having good, mature conversations ("anonymous" notwithstanding) lately. Please don't mess that up Timmy. Just either keep quiet or say "I have no case"." Are you kidding me? How are you able to type when you can't even read? Did you not see this: -Busch said what happened, all evidence supports it, and you've still chosen to believe something else entirely.- There it is, plain as day. Busch said exactly what happened in that accident, ALL of the evidence supports it, and you still ignore it. I don't need to "argue" facts. You have no evidence to support your claims whatsoever. It's just something you "think" happened. The evidence is on the tape of the race, and in Busch's numerous statements about the issue, during the race, in his interviews after the race, and his statements throughout the week. All of those things, the facts as I like to call them, do my "arguing" for me. So for all of our sakes, PLEASE learn to read, or at least stop being such a stubborn dips*** with no capability to think rationally. And what's even sadder is you can't even seem to tell when you're being clearly insulted. You take a post so obviously insulting to your intelligence, and then act like it's some sort of victory on your part, which is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen in all my life. So let's see, since you need everything explained out line by line with some sort of numbering system to keep from getting confused, I'll try to help: 1. Busch makes uncharacteristic mistake, admits to it over radio immediately after. 2. Edwards doesn't believe it was intentional, waits for confirmation to be sure. 3. Busch confirms to Edwards it was an accident, Edwards accepts. 4. Video evidence of accident supports Busch's statements. 5. All rational people accept video evidence and factual statements as sufficient, move on with their lives. 6. DaleSrFanForever gets online and claims that "it was intentional". 7. DaleSrFanForever is confronted with evidence, then claims Busch was trying to wreck himself out of race because he was frustrated (even though he fought back from the accident and nearly won, and DaleSrFanForever's statement has no basis in fact whatsoever) 8. Everyone else looks at DaleSrFanForever and shakes their heads, confused as to how someone could be so dense, stubborn, and willing to believe things that never happened or aren't true, as fact. Enough? Should I keep going? Or do you want to keep digging yourself into a deeper hole here? 133. Jarrett88fan posted: 03.05.2011 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What is the difference between a troll and a gnome? A gnome sits stationary in someone's front yard. A troll trashes someone's front yard and then blames his mess on your inability to think rationally. 134. TimmyH posted: 03.05.2011 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A gnome sits stationary in someone's front yard. A troll trashes someone's front yard and then blames his mess on your inability to think rationally. And a person with a fully functional brain can tell the difference between the truth and the biased opinion of a lunatic. 135. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.05.2011 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "4. Video evidence of accident supports Busch's statements." Wrong. He was going straight, then cut hard left in frustration. Here are the "facts": 1) Kyle has a history of this. 2) Of the drivers that had trouble off Turn 2, they all spun or wrecked well before the dogleg. Video backs up my claim. "7. DaleSrFanForever is confronted with evidence, then claims Busch was trying to wreck himself out of race because he was frustrated (even though he fought back from the accident and nearly won, and DaleSrFanForever's statement has no basis in fact whatsoever)" What evidence? The shot of Kyle going along nicely, the cutting hard left right into Carl (who I dislike as much as Kyle, so I have no reason born out of personal animosity to trash Kyle for this). "8. Everyone else looks at DaleSrFanForever and shakes their heads, confused as to how someone could be so dense, stubborn, and willing to believe things that never happened or aren't true, as fact." If by "everyone" you mean yourself, Bronco, and "anonymous" who could be you for all we know. I always thought "everyone" included more than 3 people. It really is a small world. "Busch said what happened, all evidence supports it, and you've still chosen to believe something else entirely." Yeah, and at Richmond in 1986, Dale Earnhardt claimed he wasn't intentionally trying to put Darrell head on into the wall. Dale said he was trying to pull the crossover move, went too early, and accidentally clipped Darrell. Dale "said what happened" and technically "video evidence supports it" or at least doesn't rule it out. So was what Dale did an accident? Of course not! He blatently turned Darrell head on into the wall (extremely dangerous) to assert his dominance over the guy who had been the dominator over the past 5 seasons (which, in all fairness, worked, 86 was the start of the Earnhardt era and the end of the DW/Junior Johnson era). "How are you able to type when you can't even read?" "PLEASE learn to read" "stop being such a stubborn dips*** " "no capability to think rationally." Strong arguments. 136. TimmyH posted: 03.05.2011 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wrong. He was going straight, then cut hard left in frustration. Here are the "facts": 1) Kyle has a history of this. 2) Of the drivers that had trouble off Turn 2, they all spun or wrecked well before the dogleg. Video backs up my claim." That has to be one of the most arrogant things I've ever heard. For anything you say to be true, you would have to know more about driving a Cup car, and what happens inside a Cup car during a race, than the drivers themselves. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you don't. Are you really basing your entire argument on the premise that YOU know more about happened inside Busch's car(and even more unbelievably, his head) than Busch himself? You sure seem to be. You aren't a world class engineer that knows all of the inner-workings of these cars, you aren't a Cup driver or anything even remotely close to an expert on how to drive the cars or how they behave, and you aren't a PhD in psychology. Everything you're arguing here is an assumption on your part, is it not? The way you answer that question will go a long way in showing just how arrogant you really are. Are drivers not allowed to make mistakes? Just because a bunch of other accidents during the race happened in a similar manner, but at a slightly different part of the track, has NO CORRELATION to Busch's accident. How can you sit there and act like that's a valid point? Do you even know what correlation means? Explain to me the correlation between those other accidents and Busch's. Go ahead and try. I'd love to know how those accidents had any affect whatsoever on what Busch did. And just so you know, "they kinda looked the same and happened near the same part of the track" isn't going to be a valid response, so don't bother repeating yourself. Yes, video backs up your claim that other drivers wrecked. Congratulations, you can see. Do you want an award for having eyesight? And let me guess, Kyle's "history" of intentionally wrecking himself to get out of a race because he's "frustrated", consists of a bunch of other moments where people like you "claim" that he did it, yet no actual evidence supports such a claim? Yeah, get back to me when we're talking about something that isn't based on your biased opinion of looking at events through an anti-Busch lens. Or provide verifiable evidence of this "history" you speak of. And moments where Busch may be driving over his head to make up ground because he gets stuck a lap down or something similar, and spins or tags the wall don't count, because that's just racing, and those aren't intentional. I want a history of other moments like this alleged one here, where Busch is involved in an accident, and intentionally wrecks his car because he's too frustrated and doesn't feel like finishing out the race. (Did he nearly win those "other ones" too, I wonder... boy I'd hate to see him drive when he's focused!) So that's your first two points, countered yet again. Let's see what else is there... "What evidence? The shot of Kyle going along nicely, the cutting hard left right into Carl" Yeah, the one that was clearly a mistake, but that you think you know sooooooo much more about and why it happened than the drivers themselves. Yes, that evidence that supports what I say, and not what you say. Yes, THAT evidence. "If by "everyone" you mean yourself, Bronco, and "anonymous" who could be you for all we know. I always thought "everyone" included more than 3 people. It really is a small world." I don't see people lining up to show your crazy theories support. So I'll just settle for being on the side of the drivers, former drivers, assorted media, experts, and logic. I'll take that coalition over a few wing-nut, biased, anti-Busch crackpot conspiracy theorists. "Yeah, and at Richmond in 1986, Dale Earnhardt claimed he wasn't intentionally trying to put Darrell head on into the wall. Dale said he was trying to pull the crossover move, went too early, and accidentally clipped Darrell. Dale "said what happened" and technically "video evidence supports it" or at least doesn't rule it out. So was what Dale did an accident? Of course not! He blatently turned Darrell head on into the wall (extremely dangerous) to assert his dominance over the guy who had been the dominator over the past 5 seasons (which, in all fairness, worked, 86 was the start of the Earnhardt era and the end of the DW/Junior Johnson era)." How does Earnhardt being a lying dick have anything to do with Busch? Oh my god, someone lied about something 25 years ago, that totally means this is a lie too! That's your argument there. Really, read back over it and tell me that's not the reason you brought that up. Because it is, and that's.... *sigh* I'm getting tired of saying this, but that's really really stupid. It must be a cold, lonely life you live if you don't believe anything you hear because someone told a lie to you 25 years ago. "How are you able to type when you can't even read?" - a legitimate question, given how you entirely missed the point of a tiny little paragraph. "PLEASE learn to read" - Seriously, don't ignore that one. Don't be afraid of literacy. "stop being such a stubborn dips***" - Again, don't ignore that one. You could knock that one out of the way quickly before you start learning to read. "no capability to think rationally." - The truth. Simple as that. "Strong arguments." - Agreed. Thank you. 137. HereWeGoAgain posted: 03.06.2011 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If the kids are done yelling at each other, can we talk about what happened with Robby Gordon and Kevin Conway this weekend? Gordon must have really roughed him up to get placed on probation for the entire year, given the leniency NASCAR has shown after the whole Edwards-Keselowski mess last year, and the Jeff Gordon-Jeff Burton altercation at Texas. Although Conway comes off like a real pansy if he called the cops and it was just a good ole' driver shoving match. And given the legal problems Conway and Extenze have with both Front Rom Motorsports, and Robby Gordon's team, it kinda seems like something fishy was going on with Conway and his sponsor through all of last year. It's like the scammed their way into all those races by promising money and then never forking it over, so they still got all the product exposure and Conway gets the undeserved experience plus the ROTY award. Now they just have to fight a legal battle that few will pay attention to, that could result in a substantially smaller amount of money going out to those teams, unless they want to fight a messy, lengthy battle for what could be years and waste even more money. I was not a fan of Conway, and I know many more feel as I did that he did not deserve any of the rides he was in last year. Everything about him being in series was contingent on his ties to a sponsorship, and the sponsor flaked on the money they said they would pay to these struggling teams. If I was Robby Gordon, I'd be mad as hell too. Conway is just a no-name, no-good, scam artist that cheated his way to the ROTY title, and honestly, sounds like he deserved a good ass kicking. Calling the cops on another driver? That screams of wuss. I hope Gordon gave that undeserving punk a black eye. 138. Bronco posted: 03.06.2011 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) TimmyH, you've got to take whatever DSFF says with a grain of salt, I remember him saying, out of his pure hatred for Michael Waltrip and nothing else, that the #15 truck team cheated by somehow having the spoiler come off on the last lap at Daytona. 139. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.06.2011 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol. I was wondering when Bronco, my shadow, was gonna chime in. I was starting to get worried about you. "How does Earnhardt being a lying dick have anything to do with Busch?" Because it establishes something called a "precedence". That was just one example of many that happen each year. Other famous examples: Todd Bodine taking out half the field at Charlotte in 2002 (the McMurray race) by trying to cut through the grass then claiming he had no other choice. Ricky Rudd claiming Eanrhardt cut him off at Wilkesboro in 1989 when he was in Dale's door before they even got to the corner, Jeff Gordon claiming Kurt Busch chopped down on him at Martinsville in 2005 when he just went straight into the corner, Kurt Busch claiming he only meant to bump Gordon at the most recent Martinsville race when he clearly sent him spinning. Ricky Rudd claiming Jeff spun himself out at Charlotte in '94 when he wrecked him on the straightaway. JJ claiming Hamlin cut him off at Martinsville in '09 when he bonzaied the corner and knocked the shit out of Denny, etc etc. Drivers try to make excuses all the time for their actions. This was another example of that. Had he not taken out notorious hothead and psychopath Carl Edwards, he probably would have blamed it on him. Look at the 201 NWide Dega race. Kyle goes low to avoid a wreck, cuts hard right to try to get back on the track, only there is a car there (I can't remember who it was) and he wrecked both of them. In his interview, he blamed the other guy when he was clearly going straight. This isn't blind hatred. I have actual reasons for disliking Kyle. And since you want to argue the videotape, here is a link of the live telecast and replays from YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOZOG4xMyY At 0:39 Kyle bobbles and catches it. At 0:41 he is clearly back in control of the car and then begins his hard cut right. At 1:12 on this video, it shows another angle of Kyle going straight, then cutting abruptly. And for the most damning evidence against Kyle, at the 2:09 mark Darrell Waltrip, the biggest Kyle Busch fan on the face of the Earth, says exactly what I have been saying: "It looked like Kyle was TRYING TO SPIN OUT, and Carl was there and Carl straightened the 18 car out and paid the price." Checkmate. And for what it looks like when a car actually loses it coming out of Turn two, watch Robby "I really Hate Kevin Conway" Gordon in this clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq6TxJMos90 The first thing you should notice is that this clip begins after Robby has already spun out, slid for a while, straightend it back up in the grass, and he still isn't at the dogleg yet. At 0:32 Robby slides up and comes across Ambrose's bumper, and starts his spin. By the time he has spun, slid, and got going straight again he had only then got to the spot where Kyle and Carl had their incident. 140. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.06.2011 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Update: It was Scott Lagasse Kyle slammed into at Dega, then blamed him. Watch this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRiapQ6YSbs The replay beginning at 0:30 shows it. A big wreck happens and Kyle goes WAY low to avoid it (smart move) goes straight for a while, then at 0:36 cuts hard right (dumb move) and slams Lagasse who was also below the line slowing down. then, in his interview, he throws his team under the bus and claims there was grass coming up ahead of him when there is clearly none to be seen, then says somebody just broadsided him on the door. Bottom line: If Kyle had wrecked some no name or somebody who won't puch back, he wouldn't have given a shit and probably blamed them because that is who he is. But he wrecked a mentally disturbed individual so he apologized profusely because he is scared. 141. TimmyH posted: 03.06.2011 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Because it establishes something called a "precedence". That was just one example of many that happen each year. Other famous examples: Todd Bodine taking out half the field at Charlotte in 2002 (the McMurray race) by trying to cut through the grass then claiming he had no other choice. Ricky Rudd claiming Eanrhardt cut him off at Wilkesboro in 1989 when he was in Dale's door before they even got to the corner, Jeff Gordon claiming Kurt Busch chopped down on him at Martinsville in 2005 when he just went straight into the corner, Kurt Busch claiming he only meant to bump Gordon at the most recent Martinsville race when he clearly sent him spinning. Ricky Rudd claiming Jeff spun himself out at Charlotte in '94 when he wrecked him on the straightaway. JJ claiming Hamlin cut him off at Martinsville in '09 when he bonzaied the corner and knocked the shit out of Denny, etc etc." Hahahaha, man you are really reaching now. Well not only do none of those accidents have any affect whatsoever on this one (correlation again! you didn't look it up, did you?), but in every single one of those examples, none of the drivers just flat out admitted they made a mistake and took all the blame. They all had an excuse for why it wasn't their fault. So not only do they NOT set a precedent, but they aren't even similar. Busch took 100% of the blame and said that he messed up. Man, that was your rebuttal? A bunch of unrelated incidents that aren't even similar? "Drivers try to make excuses all the time for their actions. This was another example of that." No, it isn't. This was a driver taking blame and admitting error, not making excuses. Jesus Christ man, it's not even the same! How do you not see that!? "It looked like Kyle was TRYING TO SPIN OUT," Looks like? LOOKS LIKE!? You aren't even sure. And once again, that's an assumption! ASSUMPTION! NOT fact. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT CAR SO STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO. That's a checkmate, smartass. "And for what it looks like when a car actually loses it coming out of Turn two, watch Robby "I really Hate Kevin Conway" Gordon in this clip." Once again, that has nothing to do with accident. Drivers can wreck on a different part of the track for different reasons. That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. Are you really trying to argue that it's impossible for a car to wreck where Busch did on the track? You are, and it's just getting more and more pathetic. Your one remaining argument is that there IS NO WAY BUSCH COULD HAVE WRECKED WHERE WE DID. Give it up man! "But he wrecked a mentally disturbed individual so he apologized profusely because he is scared." [CITATION NEEDED] What? You don't have one? Everything you say is based on assumption? Awwwwww, well maybe you should just shut the f*** up then. "Update: It was Scott Lagasse Kyle slammed into at Dega, then blamed him. Watch this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRiapQ6YSbs" One example, that's all you got? One single clip, of an incident that once again isn't similar to what we are talking about? You were supposed to find an example of another time Kyle got frustrated and intentionally wrecked himself out of a race. That isn't one. He obviously didn't see that car as he was getting back onto the track. You know, those cars do have blind spots, and when you make a split second decision to avoid a crash, it's possible to make a mistake. It wasn't Lagasse's fault, but how do you know if Busch had even seen a replay up to that point? That was purely a racing accident, or spotter failure. Busch didn't wreck himself intentionally there, so try again. Or better yet, just give it up already, because I'm tried of pulling apart flimsy arguments based on assumptions and unrelated examples. 142. TimmyH posted: 03.06.2011 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "TimmyH, you've got to take whatever DSFF says with a grain of salt, I remember him saying, out of his pure hatred for Michael Waltrip and nothing else, that the #15 truck team cheated by somehow having the spoiler come off on the last lap at Daytona." I'm starting to understand that. I've come across people like him before, he's the kind of a person that thinks just because he says something, that makes it true. It's a dangerous way of looking at the world. It's that same combination of stubbornness, arrogance, and ignorance that's the cause of so many problems in the world. 143. petty43 posted: 03.11.2011 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) so i have not been here in a while, and wow this stuff is crazy i mean there used to be onle like 20 or 30 posts per race wow. interest levels are up here even thought nascar interest levels are down. well i am hoping for good times at bristol, jeegers that race will probably have 500 posts. O and this race sucked by the way, really nascar needs to cut down to one visit a year here agian. or drop it all together. 144. Robert Nelson posted: 07.12.2012 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Using F1 points and Jeff Gordon leads after Phoenix by 3 points over Kyle Busch. Daytona points leader Carl Edwards is in 3rd with 18, 7 behind Gordon. 145. Nascar24JeffGordon posted: 03.06.2013 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon wins at Phoenix, I was talking You guys are awesome! Darrell- It's About Time! 146. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 04.24.2014 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew 64 Mike Bliss Toyota TBA Larry Gunselman 147. Name posted: 08.04.2014 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was #38- Travis Kvapil, not #34- David Gilliland, who was involved in the huge wreck on lap 68. 148. Ed posted: 12.13.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Add the 5 and the 99 to the lap 59 caution 149. Pac-Man posted: 02.13.2020 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) First race that Germain Racing fielded two cars. 150. JSPorts posted: 02.13.2020 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Todd Bodine attempted Daytona in a 2nd Germain car, but failed to qualify. 151. BadBooking posted: 11.05.2020 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR's YouTube channel put up the full race today. 152. Rich posted: 12.19.2020 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds and Darrell Waltrip were the commentators. Matt Yocum, Dr. Dick Berggren, Krista Voda and Steve Byrnes were the pit road reporters. Chris Myers and Jeff Hammond were in the Hollywood hotel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: