|| *Comments on the 2013 STP 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'll let The King say it for me: "It had done been through inspection two or three times and it hadn't got caught," NASCAR's all-time wins leader said. Did Gordon try to grow a 'stache again? 2. JG24FanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 44th is different. 3. 18fan posted: 04.19.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 9th career pole for Kenseth, the only winner on this surface. 4th pole in last five races for JGR. 4. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.19.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gonna be interesting watching Brad K and Wonderman come from the back, especially in Brad's case since the only Penske car that showed any speed in practice was Sam Hornish's. 5. murb posted: 04.19.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I trash Michael Waltrip a lot, but I must say, the Marathon Runner style numbers that his cars have this weekend are pretty classy. Not to mention pretty unique looking. I'm picking Carl Edwards to win this weekend. He's been consistently at the top throughout both qualifying and practice, so he'll probably be really strong in the race (as long as nothing happens). 6. Kenny posted: 04.19.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wtf happioned to the Hendrick cars and why is Jeff 44th? 7. Alex posted: 04.19.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #6, Jeff Gordon slapped the wall and he's going to a backup car. 8. 18fan posted: 04.19.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon crashed on his first qualifying lap. 9. Paul posted: 04.19.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) None of the Hendrick drivers qualified inside the top 20, whereas both EGR teams three part-time drivers did. I was about to say that Roush swept the first three positions, but then I remembered that Kenseth is driving for Gibbs now. Old habits die hard. I hate that Joe Nemechek misses the race after out-qualifying eight drivers. As for Jeff Gordon, this will be his first "traditional" provisional starting position (37th or worse) since Dover '09, when he also crashed in qualifying (and re-aggravated his back injury). This will also be his 11th career sub-36th place starting position, and he has finished in the top ten in half of those starts. Don't be surprised if the #24 team is extra motivated on Sunday, as they not only have heavy hearts this weekend (along with the rest of HMS), but also have something to be pissed off about. I think you'd be foolish to count this team out right now. 10. murb posted: 04.19.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) "I hate that Joe Nemechek misses the race after out-qualifying eight drivers." Total bullshit. This qualifying system needs DRASTIC changes. 11. David posted: 04.19.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This qualifying system needs DRASTIC changes." While it's certainly better than the old system, it's not perfect. But it doesn't need drastic changes. All you do is increase the number of spots qualified by speed. 40 cars by speed and three provisionals (two by points and one champion's). 12. We need more onion posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gotta admit that McDowell ran a superb lap considering his car. And I think Blaney should have missed the field, sending Joe home is indeed, bullshit. 13. murb posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "While it's certainly better than the old system, it's not perfect. But it doesn't need drastic changes. All you do is increase the number of spots qualified by speed. 40 cars by speed and three provisionals (two by points and one champion's)." I don't know. For me, every week, I yearn more and more for a "Fastest 43, if you're not fast enough, you don't race, even if your name is Danica, Jr, Jimmie, Jeff, or Tony" system. I'm tired of seeing guys like Nemechek earn spots in the field by being fast enough and then not get to race. 14. JG24FanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm glad Gordon has a shot at getting a victory from last on the grid. Gordon has a better shot at winning now than he would had he started from Pole. 15. David posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "if you're not fast enough, you don't race" But the funny thing is, it's not that Jeff Gordon, in this case, wasn't fast enough. It's just that he couldn't show his speed. 16. JG24FanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Did Gordon try to grow a 'stache again?" I recently just grew a stouche. 17. Anthony posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'm glad Jeff is in the race I would've fainted in less than a second but for Jeff Gordon a guy who's race in NASCAR since 1990 has NEVER EVER HAD A DNQ in his entire Racing Career! If he did the world would be in major shock to see a driver who won 4 championships 3 Daytona 500s 87 wins 4 Brickyard 400 Trophys & lots to add even his 1998 season with 13 wins & 4 straight. Jeff Gordon thank goodness as a past champion & high enough in Owner Points to use a Provisional. If this were a system were nobody can use a past champion or owners points to use a provisional Jeff Gordon would not make the race. 18. Paul posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Provisionals are necessary in NASCAR. It gives star drivers a chance to have a bad day in qualifying without taking away their championship hopes, sponsorship exposure, and TV exposure. The more competitive drivers in the field, the better. As much as I dislike the fact that Joe Nemechek missed the race after being 37th fastest, if I had to choose between the current system that pretty much guarantees the competitive teams a spot in the race, or a "fastest 43" system that might knock a competitive driver like Jeff Gordon out of the race, I'll take the former any day. Like it or not, the provisional system is the right qualifying procedure for NASCAR. We've been complaining for seven years how bad the "top 35" qualifying procedure was. We're going to complain just because a backmarker missed the race and a driver who almost won last week made it just because of how the roles would be reversed if you used a "fastest 43" qualifying procedure? Give me a break. 19. JG24FanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Qualifying 40th or worse: Danica Patrick 8 in 17 races Jeff Gordon 6 in 697 races Damn! 20. murb posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You've got some good points about provisionals Paul. But it's just absolutely ridiculous in my opinion to have a guy that out qualified EIGHT other drivers miss the race. 21. Schroeder51 posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Think of this: When NASCAR used the top 35 qualifying procedure, it was possible for drivers to qualify in the TOP TEN and miss the race. It happened a few times at Talladega (the 2007 UAW-Ford 500; where go-or-go-homers took the top 11 positions in qualifying and as thus, A. J. Allmendinger, Boris Said, and Scott Riggs failed to qualify). 22. Daniel posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I wasn't able to see all of qualifying. Gordon will win. 23. Mr X posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) IMO there should just be a few provisionals to protect a few of the drivers who end up in the same situation that Jeff Gordon is in today. Frankly it's rare for any big name driver to have a crash in qualifying, nevermind more then one. A pair of normal provisionals an past champion, the other 40 on speed. Plus lets not forget that the teams still have to race for provisionals, further cementing that is NASCAR racing>qualifying. As great as it would be for the race lineup to be the fastest 43 from Friday, as Paul said many more people will be watching on tv or live in person to see Jeff Gordon then Joe Nemechek. Sad but true. 24. Mr X posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) that in NASCAR is what that should read. 25. Paul posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Qualifying for the 2007 fall Talladega race was a complete joke. The top 35 rule should have been changed IMMEDIATELY after qualifying--not after the season or after the race, it should have been changed on the spot. Of the eight drivers that missed the race, five of them were among the 15 fastest drivers in qualifying. A.J. Allmendinger qualified 9th and missed the race. That may be the most underrated bastardization in NASCAR history, and the fact that the top 35 rule remained in place for another five years just goes to show you the ineptitude of the NASCAR executives in the Brian France administration. 26. jabber1990 posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to say this, but thank God Jeff Gordon backed it into the wall, I would hate to see him crash like McDowell he'd probably crawl out and say "ow, what a minor inconvience" since thats what McDowell said 27. Daniel posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) In using fastest 43: #87 Joe Nemechek Out using fastest 43: #24 Jeff Gordon I don't mind Jeff, but it would've been amusing to see him miss the race. 28. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) JG24Fan, your stache is bad luck for Jeff, shave it :) 29. jabber1990 posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am quite supprised that they caught the guy alive, I figured he'd take his own life or it would be a LA/Baghdad/Hollywood style shootout and he would be hit, either accidentally, "accidentally" or just in general and killed 30. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, although Jeff may have technically "DNQed" the race if it were the fastest 43, there is no way in hell Jeff Gordon would have missed the race. They'd have bought a ride, most likely the 51 car. 31. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jabber, I said the same thing on FB. When I found he was hiding in that boat, I just knew he was gonna shoot himself. And I'm glad he didn't. Hopefully he will go to a Federal prison and be placed in general population until being put to death on pay per view. 32. David posted: 04.19.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But it's just absolutely ridiculous in my opinion to have a guy that out qualified EIGHT other drivers miss the race." Once again, consider my system proposed in post #11. Using that format, J.J. Yeley would have missed the race. 33. Kenny posted: 04.19.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey David make me laugh again this week XD 34. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boston Refused To Lose. 35. joey2448 posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Earlier today I was thinking about how similar Jimmie Johnson is to Ricky Bobby (in Talladega Nights), especially the line in the movie when Cal Naughton Jr. asks Ricky if he can win a race. Cal: "Hey Ricky, maybe next time, I could win the race? And you could slingshot me by you!" Ricky (Jimmie): "Yea Cal, but then, how would I win? I mean, there can only be one winner, right?" Cal: "Yeah, you're right. It's cool! I'm the number two driver!" That's not verbatim in the movie, but that's how I feel Jimmie gets treated sometimes. Like he is entitled to win. I hate that attitude. 36. murb posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Your system in post 11 would work fine David. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying that the current system needed "drastic" changes. All I'm saying is that it's pretty pathetic to have guys that qualify that fast miss the race. Top 40 on speed and three provisionals would definitely be an improvement I think. 37. David posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey David make me laugh again this week XD" I'll try. Today is National Humor Day, by the way. In fact, this month is National Humor Month. 38. murb posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hopefully he will go to a Federal prison and be placed in general population until being put to death on pay per view." lol, That would definitely sell more than Wrestlemania. 39. Paul posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just found out that Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Cleveland Browns whose company is currently being investigated by the FBI for a rebate fraud, is also the CEO of the Pilot Flying J truck stop chain (the company that is currently being investigated by the FBI). Pilot Flying J of course is the primary sponsor of the #43 Nationwide car, which is normally piloted by Michael Annett and has been driven by Reed Sorenson over the past month while Annett has been recovering from injuries. Does anyone else think that it's not a coincidence that RPM's Nationwide team has regressed the same year that its primary sponsor has been breaking federal laws? That's the impression that I get. 40. murb posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Does anyone else think that it's not a coincidence that RPM's Nationwide team has regressed the same year that its primary sponsor has been breaking federal laws? That's the impression that I get." I don't know, but I think this is potentially the second fraud type situation that we've had in Nascar this year. That OxyWater company that sponsors Frank Stoddard's 32 car is some shady deal too it turns out. 41. joey2448 posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'll try. Today is National Humor Day, by the way. In fact, this month is National Humor Month." Boy they picked the wrong month for that...Boston Marathon bombing, the Texas blast and the crazy manhunt for the last 24 hours. 42. Paul posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Over the past few weeks, I've come to realize that the NFL Network is the Peyton Manning Network, while ESPN is the Tom Brady Network. Just like our political system needs a prominent third party, we need a third pro football network. Fox Sports 1, perhaps? Can't say I'm surprised that NASCAR is full of scam artists. In a sport that's now completely driven by money and exposure, all you need is to find a way to stick your logo on some schmuck team's car (since those smaller teams will take any sponsorship offer they can get), have that team promote your product on their Twitter and Facebook pages, and then get the hell out of dodge before the bills come piling in. It's a cheap, dirty tactic, but it does get the scam sponsor's name out there. 43. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Paul, RPM's nationwide team has been not be regressing because the sponsor is having legal troubles, the team is regressing because their primary driver Michael Annett is out with injuries and their replacement driver, Reed Sorenson, couldn't drive into the broadside of a barn. Every team Sorenson has ever drove for his seen a regression in performance during his tenure. 44. jabber1990 posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'll try. Today is National Humor Day, by the way. In fact, this month is National Humor Month." 'Boy they picked the wrong month for that...Boston Marathon bombing, the Texas blast and the crazy manhunt for the last 24 hours." and of course, Columbine, the Titanic sunk, the Civil War started, Lincoln was killed, Hitler was born 45. jabber1990 posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) oh, and Virgina Tech 46. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) There is actually some pretty funny stuff out there about the guy hiding in that boat on land. About how it is the worst getaway vehicle ever. How Carnival Cruise is no longer the least reliable boat out there. 47. Mr X posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Technically the boat was on a trailer. 48. Paul posted: 04.19.2013 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Every team Sorenson has ever drove for his seen a regression in performance during his tenure." Not Ganassi's Busch team in 2005, partly because that wasn't a full-time team the year before. He also had a number of really nice runs in '07 (Busch and Cup), especially in the second half of the season, and was the top driver for Braun/Turner in '10-'11 before getting dumped late in 2011 while running 3rd in the points. I'll admit, he has regressed since his release from Turner, but I disagree with your statement that he's made every team he's ever driven for worse. 49. cjs3872 posted: 04.20.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) DSFF, I don't think he's going to make it that far. If it was a wide-spread conspracy, which I tihnk it is, he'll be killed in prison, if not on the way to the prison. Remember that Lee Harvey Oswald (JFK's supposed killer) never actually got to his cell because he was gunned down just after arriving at the prison in Dallas in 1963. I think something similar may happen here, because if it is a conspiracy, the guys higher up in the food chain will send someone to "silence" him. If he survives for a week after leaving the hospital, asuming he doesn't die there, then I'll pretty much know this whole thing at he Boston Marathon was not a wide-spread conspiracy, and was just a two-man plot. And Paul, NASCAR has always had it's scam artists. Guys like Bobby Ginn, Jim Stacy, Warner Hodgdon (who died earlier this year), and J.T. Lundy, who was the co-car owner for Cale Yarborough and later Davey Allison with Harry Ranier from 1984-'88, were among the biggest scam artists in the sport's history. 50. The Long Shot posted: 04.20.2013 - 12:46 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) #49, this isn't a 1930s gangster movie. No one is going to come with a machine gun, walk into the prison, and start shooting the guy. 51. Paul posted: 04.20.2013 - 12:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't know Warner Hodgdon was considered a scam artist, although I guess I shouldn't be surprised since he was a prominent land developer from the San Bernardino, California area, spent a lot of money with various teams in the early '80s (I most remember him sponsoring Neil Bonnett in '81-'82), and pretty much disappeared from the sport soon after. 52. cjs3872 posted: 04.20.2013 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Maybe, #50, but I find it hard to believe that he's going to give any information, if given the chance, if it's a wide-spread conspiracy. That's why I believe this isn't quite over yet. He might survive tonight and tomorrow, but if he survives another week, I'll be greatly surprise, if not shocked because I believe someone will try to silence him. 53. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 1:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) He's already in really bad condition so they won't even need a Jack Ruby. They could just say he died from complications stemming from those. But I think they may want him alive because he could provide them valuable information (if they can get him to talk, the tactics they may have to use for that may require a "silencing" afterwards, even if its a blatently obvious setup like the Oswald killing). He supposedly has links to al Quaeda. Also, unlike the JFK assassination, this was not a government planned attack, so they have no real need to silence him. But the Feds do need to explain why they never interviewed him despite being specifically warned by Russia to look out for him. Much like 9/11 there were red flags everywhere that went ignored. 54. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 1:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just out of curiosity, why do people think this may have been a conspiracy? I haven't anything about that yet. Granted there is a conspiracy theory behind everything, including the Sandy Hook shooting (though in all fairness the media reporting of that was SO horrendous, inaccurate, and inconsistent as every network tried to scoop the other I can understand the skepticism there, I even stared buying into it for a bit before realizing it wasn't a conspiracy, just really really REALLY horrible and reprehensibly irresponsible coverage, with some networks going so far as to create fake victims and families, just disgusting). 55. Eric posted: 04.20.2013 - 1:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, There is a problem with your comment, follow inmates can kill a criminal. I grew up with in the state of Wisconsin and there has been criminals that died less than serving 2 years in prison by being killed by another criminal. Jeffrey Dahmer was attacked two times in prison in 1994. Dahmer was on trial in 1992. When I was a teenager, Jesse Anderson and Jeffrey Dahmer was attacked by the same inmate on the same day. What happened was the inmate had problems with Dahmer in terms of some of his victims were black and had a problem with Jesse Anderson blaming a black person for his crime. That means the attacker of Dahmer and Anderson committed a hate crime. Jesse Anderson's crime was well known in Wisconsin and Jeffrey Dahmer was infamous through out the United States. Dahmer got died on his way to the hospital and Jesse Anderson being died from his injuries a couple days later. My point is if Inmates attacks Dahmer multiple times in prison and Jesse Anderson gets attack in Jail despite only being sentenced 2 years earlier, who says that the 19 year old can't be killed in Jail. 56. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 2:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is Gordon's first last place qualifying effort. Is anybody into collecting die-cast anymore? I've really gotten back into it and have been wanting to attain a 1990 Racing Champions 1/64 Kyle Petty White and Blue Peak car. I have his 1995 Coors Light Pumpkin 1/64, but the Peak car is so rare and really cool looking,that it drives me nuts that I can't find one. Here are a few cars in my collection: 1992 Legends of Racing 1973 David Pearson 1/43 1992 Legends of Racing 1965 Curtis Turner 1/43 1992 Racing Champions '68-'69 Torino David Pearson 1/64 1992 Revell Baby Ruth Jeff Gordon 1/64 1993 Racing Champions Dupont Jeff Gordon 1/64(Rookie Car!) 1995 Racing Champions Dupont Jeff Gordon 1/24 1995 Action Napa Super-Truck Ernie Irvan 1/64(This is a great looking die-cast.) 1997 Winner's Circle 1987 World of Outlaws Jeff Gordon 1/64 1997 Winner's Circle 1975 Dodge RPM Dale Earnhardt 1/64(First Cup appearance car.) 1997 Winner's Circle AC Delco Dale Earnhardt 1/64(super rare Suzuka '96 car) 1998 Action Chromalusion Jeff Gordon 1/64(The paint changes color in the light) 1998 Action Dupont Jeff Gordon 1/24 1999 Winner's Circle '95 Silver Dale Earnhardt 1/43(Best looking Silver car die-cast) 1999 Winner's Circle '96 Olympic Dale Earnhardt 1/43(I actually saw this car practice and qualify) 2000 Action Pepsi Busch series Jeff Gordon 1/24 2000 Action Elite Nascar 2000 silver Jeff Gordon 1/24 And I have a descent collection of Autographed items: 4 signed Richard Petty cards(I got a letter in the mail saying I "disrespected Richard" for sending too many cards.) 2 signed Jeff Gordon cards(I have his first certified auto from 1992 Traks.) 1 signed Kyle Petty card(It's the 1992 Traks Autograph) 3 signed David Pearson cards(He even signed one "Silver Fox" for me upon request!) 3 signed Bobby Allison cards 2 signed Junior Johnson cards 1 signed Jimmie Johnson card(I got it at the end of 2006 through the mail.) 1 signed Tim Flock Hot Wheels die-cast of his 1956 Chevy that he drove that season for Smokey Yunick,and he gave this car to me personally when I was 11!) This was fun to list. BTW: My friend Louie Thompson owned an original Dale Earnhardt Wrangler era helmet that he bought for $5000 back in 1989,that I got to wear when I was 10 years old and other times too,before he passed away during the week leading up to the 1997 Daytona 500. 57. Paul posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, you got to meet Tim Flock?! I'm totally jealous of you right now, even though I blame you and your damn "crash stache" for Gordon's 43rd place starting position this weekend. ;) I really hope he gets into the Hall of Fame this year. Him, his brother Fonty, Lee Petty, Herb Thomas, Buck Baker, Fireball Roberts, and Curtis Turner are drivers who I consider to be the pioneer superstars of NASCAR, and it will be a crying shame if the younger Flock doesn't join his fellow multi-time 1950s champions (Petty, Thomas, Baker) in the Hall of Fame next year. Personally, I think he should have gotten in before Baker (or at least substituted for Baker in last year's class just because of the historical infamousy between Baker and Thomas), so I'm really pulling for Flock to get in this year. Hopefully the voters don't forget about his older brother Fonty too, as Fonty was technically NASCAR's first champion in 1947, as well as the 1949 National Modified champion, and the uncrowned 1951 Grand National champion. I take nothing away from the great Herb Thomas, who I think is unquestionably ranked among the top 20 drivers of all-time in any list (and one could argue he belongs in the top ten all-time), but Fonty beat Herb in literally every single category except for points and should have been the champion in 1951. Fonty also won the Southern 500 that same season, which neither his brother nor the great Lee Petty ever did. I just hope Fonty Flock isn't forgotten just because he never officially won a Grand National championship, and that we see his name on the ballot within the next couple of years. 58. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, you got to meet Tim Flock?! I'm totally jealous of you right now" I had breakfast with him at "the Dixie",along with Wanda Lund and Doris Roberts too. Tim put me up to going up to Wanda and telling her I was a Tiny Lund fan,it was a fun moment. 59. Paul posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just finished watching "American Stock: The Golden Era of NASCAR Vol. 1" on YouTube (courtesy of OldSchoolNASCAR), and I've decided that Bob Flock should be inducted into the Hall of Fame as well. From almost all accounts, he was the best at outrunning the cops, whether it was during a moonshine delivery or if they "greeted" him after a race, he would take off, they would chase him, and he always got away. Plus, he was a hell of a race car driver in the '40s. His official stats might not look all that impressive since there was no official stat-keeping until about 1949, which was towards the end of his career, but if NASCAR historians say that he was a great race car driver, and if he was the best at outrunning the cops (which, like it or not, was one of the pioneering traits of the early NASCAR drivers), then he should be a Hall of Famer also. Also, Louise Smith should be inducted into the Hall of Fame as well some day. She won 28 stock car races in her career and was dubbed "The First Lady of NASCAR" by Bill France. On that documentary, she explained how the late Buddy Shuman approached her after a race one day after a few other drivers had been taking advantage of her on the track, and he taught her how to use her front bumper to flatten the other drivers' tires whenever she felt necessary to do so. Due to her hard-nosed driving style, she was nicknamed "The Agitator." I think she should be the first female driver inducted into the Hall of Fame for several different reasons. First off, she was a hell of a stock car driver in her own right back in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Also, "Big" Bill France dubbed her as "The First Lady of NASCAR," which that alone might be good enough for her to get in. And to top it off, she was a native of Greenville, South Carolina, a town that I consider to be one of the hearts of NASCAR. I bet JG24 would be in favor of the first female inductee being from Greenville haha. Sara Christian and Ethel Mobley should be inducted someday too. It'll probably take a couple decades since NASCAR decided to induct only five people into its first Hall of Fame class, but I think those three should be inducted because of their respective roles in NASCAR history and paving the way for today's female race car drivers to flourish in both NASCAR and other disciplines of auto racing. I forgot to mention Red Byron before, but obviously he deserves to be inducted as well, possibly even this year. He won the NASCAR title in '48 and '49 with a mangled leg that was badly injured in World War II. And speaking of war heroes, that documentary had a touching piece on Bud Moore in volume 1, as he spoke about his time in the war and how he was a part of the famous D-Day invasion. Three NASCAR championships as a crew chief and car owner, two Bronze Stars, five Purple Hearts, and over 50 years worth of experience and success in NASCAR. Definitely worthy of being in the Hall of Fame, and in fact I would make sure to induct him this year not just because he deserves it, but because I want to see him receive his HOF induction and share some of his stories to a national audience while he's still in good physical health to do so. 60. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Sorry, guys, we aren't going to get to see an execution on pay-per-view. Massachusetts is known for being the most leftist state in the country, and like leftist states is stupid and has really lax murder punishments, including no death penalty. 61. Anthony posted: 04.20.2013 - 6:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon might of had a DNQ before in the Nationwide Series in 1991 the first race of the year. & why dislike comments when were JG Fans its not fair I'll be working for NASCAR in the future & I'm wanted to be a nice person there is. So my goal is to be a broadcaster & get a girlfriend before I enter my 20s. First Time for Jeff Gordon that he starts 43rd ;( 62. Flywheel posted: 04.20.2013 - 6:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @#17--You're wrong, he missed the 1991 season opener at Daytona in the NNS. @#56--Here you go: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-SERIES-ONE-RACING-CHAMPIONS-KYLE-PETTY-42-BLUE-WHITE-PEAK-AUTOGRAPHED-/140957949391?pt=Diecast_Vehicles&hash=item20d1bf9dcf 63. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 6:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1996 Suzuka 100! I know a lot of you haven't seen this,but it's worth watching just to see the last lap battle between Gordon and Earnhardt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKbvfnp5yU0 64. Anonymous posted: 04.20.2013 - 6:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) Shouldn't Nascar scam artists include Phil Parsons? He has been start and park since day 1 and yet still claims he is looking for a sponsor, yeah right, ok Phil we believe you. 65. Smiff_2 posted: 04.20.2013 - 8:52 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) JG24FanForever, you're getting into dangerous terrotory when you start talking collections, bro! lol I'm anxious to hear what everybody else has got... And maybe if I'm feeling ambitious, I'll list mine later. I'll be honest, I've been looking for an opportunity to gush about my own collection with fellow collectors. 66. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.20.2013 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just for starters, I have somewhere between 200 and 350 diecasts in my collection. 67. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 04.20.2013 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've got over 300 different driver autographed hero cards / trading cards in my collection, a few diecasts but I don't really get into those as much. It will probably be a surprise to most of you that I don't have David Gilliland's autograph considering I go by #38 Fan on here, but I want to meet him in person and a through the mail autograph from him wouldn't be the same. 68. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I recently bought the #28 Gray Ghost Oldsmobile model die cast just like the one Buddy won the '80 Daytona 500 with. It is beautiful. My 1/24 collection includes Pearson's late 60's Torine that was blue and gold #17 as well as his early 70's white, gold, and candy apple red Purolator #21 Xyclone. I have Bobby's '71 fastback Cyclone in the beautiful Coke colors. I've got Cale's '76 Holly Farms Chevy (Lord that is an ugly scheme, but it is a classic). I have Dale's unsponsored #2 Chevy he won ROY with in '79, his '81 Wrangler #2 Pontiac he ran in '81 at first, the '82 #2 JD Stacy Buick that Tim Richmond won his first two races in. I got Dale's '89 fastback Monte Carlo, the Goodwrench car with the white number which is rare cause they switched to the Lumina shortly into the season, and Dale also won the first race on radial tires with that car at Wilkesboro. And perhaps the crown jewel, I have Dale's 1994 Rockingham car, he won the race and his 7th championship. Here is my wishlist, some I don't think have ever been made. Either the '86 or '87 fastback Monte Carlo #3 Wrangler car, Tim Richmond's #27 Old Milwuakee Pontiac, Richard Petty's '81 STP car (my personal favorite of his STP schemes), Bobby's '83 Miller High Life Buick, Ernie's '91 #4 Kodak Lumina, Bill's '85 Coors TBird, Fireball's early '60s black and gold #22 Chevy like the one he beat the shit out of Daytona with in '62, Junior's mid '60s "flying banana" Holly Farms cheated up Ford (this is available and I am planning on getting it soon), Kyle's early '90s Mello Yello car as well as his '96 Coors Light black protest car. 69. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also meant to add Davey's '87 Havoline car. That paint scheme he ran from '87-'89 was truly beautiful, I like the solid black with the birght orange star and numbers, but I prefer that one. I'd also like Rusty's '89 Kodiak Grand Prix. 70. 12345Dude posted: 04.20.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Provisionals are necessary in NASCAR. It gives star drivers a chance to have a bad day in qualifying without taking away their championship hopes, sponsorship exposure, and TV exposure. The more competitive drivers in the field, the better. As much as I dislike the fact that Joe Nemechek missed the race after being 37th fastest, if I had to choose between the current system that pretty much guarantees the competitive teams a spot in the race, or a "fastest 43" system that might knock a competitive driver like Jeff Gordon out of the race, I'll take the former any day. Like it or not, the provisional system is the right qualifying procedure for NASCAR. We've been complaining for seven years how bad the "top 35" qualifying procedure was. We're going to complain just because a backmarker missed the race and a driver who almost won last week made it just because of how the roles would be reversed if you used a "fastest 43" qualifying procedure? Give me a break." I couldn't agree more Paul. Another thing people don't realize. These sponsors are paying millions of dollars every race to sponsor a driver. Let's say your Dupont and your spent all this money for Gordon to run the race, and then he actually doesn't make the race. All that money was wasted for nothing. And that kills sponsors. You spend all that money for nothing because your car doesn't even make the race. Tell that to the big name sponsors trying to get into NASCAR. That your car might not even make the race and you just wasted all that money. There would be a lot of sponsors that would be willing to spend tons of money that wouldn't be in the sport. Obviously the top 35 rule hurts the sponsors of the lower teams, but those aren't the sponsors that are willing to spend millions and millions. (like the Duponts, Lowe's, Miller Lites etc.) " I'll let The King say it for me: "It had done been through inspection two or three times and it hadn't got caught," NASCAR's all-time wins leader said." We all know the penalty was ludicrous. But we all know why it was so harsh: because NASCAR was upset about Keselowski's rant against them. Logano should of been penalized anyway because of how he purposely wrecked Hamlin and didn't even care about his well being after the event. (he automatically figured he was fine because of how safe the car is nowadays) Logano should of been penalized for the Hamlin incident. Keselowski shouldn't of though, we all know the people who run NASCAR are complete morons and Brian should of sat down with him and discussed his comments with him instead of doing something like this. 71. murb posted: 04.20.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My diecasts include a bunch of 90s ones, since that's when I got into the sport. Some of my favorite 1:24 ones include Earnhardt's 1998 Coca-Cola car (the Japan one), Johnny Benson's 26 Cheerios car, and Steve Park's 1998 Pennzoil car. I've also got about 100 1:64 cars too. 72. jabber1990 posted: 04.20.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " Johnny Benson's 26 Cheerios car" the yellow or the red/orange one? 50th anniversary one? 73. jabber1990 posted: 04.20.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had a small collection, when I was like 13 or something I had a phase where I "collected" the 1:64 scale cars and would play with them (I have a few theories as to why) on a semi-related note, I was also working on a HO Scale train from September 2001 till like 2003 (it was demolished in 2008) and I thought i'd be funny and put the cars on it and it gave me an idea for this racetrack, since I just combined the Train layout and the cars http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/001-2.jpg I did consider trying to scale-up the track to a 1:64 (S) Scale of it but I am not sure how to big it would be espeicially if its 1.5 miles all of my cars are circa 2001-2003, although I regret not purchasing Stewarts Burger King Car (I was working there at the time) and I also wanted a COT and a Gen6 car just for the heck of it here is a general overview of my "collection" if you are interested http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Bone/Img018.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Bone/Img016.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Laramie.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Thebigone.jpg I also had like 20 or 30 still in the packages that I used for decoration (either 50th anniversary, or 2002-2003 versions) but my stepdad and I had a slight disagreement on who they belonged to (he gave them to me because a number were dupiclates) so I gave up and let him have them (yes, the same stepdad that treats me like crap becasue im a NASCAR fan) stepsister gets pregnant at 14 and has lived a life of crime and has, well her life is a mess, thats not really ok, but he deals with it, I am a NASCAR fan and its like im the terrible child 74. murb posted: 04.20.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the yellow or the red/orange one? 50th anniversary one?" It's just the normal yellow scheme. 75. 18fan posted: 04.20.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a tiny collection compared to you guys. I have Ned Jarrett's '65 Ford, Junior Johnson's Holly Farms Ford from '65 (I believe this is the one DSFF is talking about), Fred Lorenzen's '65 Ford, Donnie Allison's '69 Torino Cobra, A.J. Foyt's '69 Torino Cobra, Pearson's '69 Torino Talladega, Cale's '69 Wood Brothers Mercury, Bobby's '71 Coca-Cola Mercury, DW's brown Terminal Transport Mercury, Benny Parsons' Daytona 500 winning car, Buddy Baker's Gray Ghost, Dale's '78 Ford, Tim Richmond's '82 J.D. Stacy Buick, Davey's '92 Daytona 500 winning car, DJ's Flame UPS car, and a bunch of Kyle cars. 76. Paul posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've got a ton of diecast cars myself, most of which are 1:64 size and are from since the late '90s. Some of my favorites include Jeff Gordon's '98 and '02 DuPont Monte Carlos, Dale Earnhardt's '01 Oreo Monte Carlo that he unfortunately never got to race, Darrell Waltrip's '98 #300 Tim Flock Special Monte Carlo from Darlington (his last race for his own team), Kenny Schrader's '02 M&M's Pontiac in the shape of a limousine, Jeff Burton's '98 Exide Batteries car in the shape of a '68 Ford Mustang, Burton's '99 Exide Batteries car in the shape of a '97 Ford Mustang Cobra, Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s '04 Budweiser Born on Date Monte Carlo from the 2004 Daytona 500 (designed to look exactly how it did at race's end), the Looney Tunes Monte Carlos of Robby Gordon and Bobby Hamilton from Richmond '02, and I've got Dale Jarrett's '02 UPS Taurus (all UPS trucks should be designed like that car), and his 2000 Quality Care and U.S. Air Force cars, among many others. Then I've also got four Texaco cars; Kenny Irwin's '99 Taurus, Ricky Rudd's '02 Taurus, Jamie McMurray's '04 Intrepid, and Casey Mears' '06 Charger. I couldn't tell you how many Terry Labonte and John Andretti cars I have, most of which between '99 and '03. Rusty Wallace's '03 Miller Lite Intrepid was the first alcohol sponsored car of mine that wasn't censored (i.e Rusty's '00 car was sponsored by "Team Rusty" and Sterling Marlin's '01 car just had his team's logo on the car). I've also got a censored version of Schrader's '98 Skoal Bandit Monte Carlo and Mark Martin's '02 Viagra Taurus. Two #4 Kodak Pontiacs from '03, driven by Mike Skinner (the only year that MMM fielded Kodak Pontiacs), Johnny Benson's '99 Cheerios Taurus, Jeff Burton's #8 Raybestos car from his rookie season, Geoff Bodine's '99 #60 Power Team Chevy, Ernie Irvan's '99 #36 M&M's Pontiac, and Tony Stewart's #44 Shell Pontiac from the '98 Busch Series. And I can't forget about Dale Earnhardt's 1998 Daytona 500 winning car, complete with a victory lane scene and a Dale action figure standing on top of the car with his arms up in the air. I only have four 1:24 size cars: Terry Labonte's '02 Kellogg's Got Milk? car, Kenny Schrader's '02 M&M's 4th of July car, Darrell Waltrip's '99 Big K Mart car, and Jeremy Mayfield's '97 RC Cola/K Mart car. I need to get some more cars from the pre-late '90s era of NASCAR, but I have pretty much every relevant car from the late '90s to '08 (I don't think I have any cars post-2008). 77. murb posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dale Earnhardt's '01 Oreo Monte Carlo that he unfortunately never got to race" He actually raced it in the Shootout that year. Some of my favorite 1:64s that I have are a 1994 Ernie Irvan 28 car, Jeff Burton's 1996 Exide Thunderbird (his first year with Roush), Jeff Gordon's 1998 Dupont rainbow car (with a little action figure in the driver's seat - I also have one of Dale Earnhardt's 500 winning car with an action figure in the seat), and Bobby Labonte's 2001 Coke Polar Bear car (the one he flipped at Talladega in the Fall race). There's way more than just those though. I've got a bunch of field filler ones too (like Brett Bodine's late 90s Paychex car and Derrike Cope's black and silver Gumout car). 78. AveryNH posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm quite impressed by jabber's collection. I used to make tracks like the one in your pictures and beat the hell out of my cars. My collection is about 300-350 spanning from early 1991 to 2006. I kinda gave up collecting because most retailers where I live either stopped selling cool cars or they went out of business. Some notables: a Bruce Lee tribute Jeff burton #99 ford I think he ran in Twin Ring in 1999. Dale's '96 Olympic car. Terry Labonte's ironman car. Mark Martins Folgers throwback from 2005. The Coca-Cola bear cars the Bobby and Tony ran at the 2001 Winston 500. Bobby's NFL Redskins inspired car from the brickyard in1994. Actually it was packaged to resemble a brick. Oh and A Davey Allison tribute Ernie Irvin piggybank from 1996 at talladega. But my three favorites. Johnny benson's general mills race for kids car he ran at Bristol in 1999 with the trix rabbit on the hood. 2001 American online Chevy that harvick ran in the Winston. I always look back at that car and just try to remember how big AOL once was. And finally an all time classic, 2002 Pepsi Chevy driven by none other than Jeff Gordon at the spring Dega race. 79. Paul posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've got Brett Bodine's #11 Hooters Memorial car that he raced at Bristol '03. I always thought his Hooters paint schemes were pretty cool, but we just never got to see them unless he was "Bodining" (crashing). 80. Paul posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "a Bruce Lee tribute Jeff Burton #99 ford I think he ran in Twin Ring in 1999." I have that car too! He actually drove that car in the '98 race at Montegi though. 81. murb posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just decided to pull out some of my old 1:64 cars, and here are some more notable ones that I have. - 1999 Wally Dallenbach #25 Budweiser car (kids version) - 1998 Ward Burton #22 MBNA car - 1998 #35 Tabasco car (driven by a few different guys - most notably DW and Todd Bodine) - 2001 Ricky Craven #32 Tide car - 1999 Ricky Rudd #10 Tide Give Kids The World car (great scheme!!!) - 1998/1999 Rick Mast #75 Remington car - 1999 #7 Michael Waltrip Phillips car - 1998 #8 Hut Stricklin/Buckshot Jones Circuit City Stavola Brothers car - 1999 #33 Ken Schrader Skoal car (kids version, just has Andy Petree Racing as the sponsor) - 1998/1999 #33 Ken Schrader Blue Skoal car (again, kids version) - 1997 #37 Jeremy Mayfield KMart/RC Cola car - #32 Dale Jarrett Band Aid Busch car (don't know the year) - 1999 #42 Joe Nemechek BellSouth car - 1998 #28 Kenny Irwin Havoline car - #5 Terry Labonte Fruit Loops car (don't know the year) - 1998 #6 Mark Martin Valvoline car - 2001 #57 Jason Keller Albertson's Busch car - 1998 #13 Jerry Nadeau First Plus car - 1998/1999 #34 Mike Mclaughlin Goulds Pumps Busch car - #43 Bobby Hamilton STP 25th Anniversay car - 1996 #4 Sterling Marlin Kodak car - 1996 #16 Ted Musgrave Primestar/Family Channel car (one of my favorite schemes of all time) So yeah, that's all of the 1:64 cars that I just pulled out of the closet. I've got probably about 30-40 more in various other places in my house. I'll have to find them some other time so I can finish the list!!! 82. AveryNH posted: 04.20.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Close! but thanks Paul. Your collection seems amazing as well. I used to be so huge into collecting. It's cool to read all these posts here. A couple more notables from my collection. Nadeau's Cartoon Network cars from 1999 including his pink powerpuff girls ford, my younger sisters favorite! Terry labonte's Finding nemo #5 from Dover 2003 and the grinch car from Homestead in 2000. A signed Bronze finished 2007 U.S. army Mark Martin Chevy. And sadly all of derrike cope's Pontiacs from 1999. His gumout one, the Bryant car, state fair corn dogs one, yep they were on sale. Buckshot jones auqafresh Pontiac circa 1998. Larry Pearson's Cheez it Pontiac. And Hut Stricklin's #8 Circuit City Chevy. And Kerry Earnhart's Bass pro shops happy Father's Day car from 2004 I think. Painted like his dad's classic 1998 winston scheme. I'm not even sure he qualified but I bought it! There. and with that I'll stop rambling about die cast cars. 83. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The best... and I mean the BEST... car that I've got has to be the 1965 World 600 winning Fred Lorenzen 1:32 car I got at the North Carolina Auto Racing Hall of Fame 4 years back. I also got some diecasts from back when Dale Jr. was a part-timer in Busch series in '97 that day. 84. murb posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Buckshot jones aquafresh Pontiac circa 1998." I have this one somewhere too. 85. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Fonty also won the Southern 500 that same season, which neither his brother nor the great Lee Petty ever did." Fonty won in '52. Then got on top of his car and led the crowd in singing Dixie. The reason Fonty lost in '51 is because Thomas won the Southern 500. Giving him 1250 points in that race alone. Fonty earned only 375 points in that race,and that cost him the title. 86. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I just went to a comic show an got an issue of Preacher #1 and $15 cash for a first print of Batman: The Killing Joke(Joker origin written by Alan Moore) and a copy of Incredible Hulk #340(The iconic Wolverine cover issue). I'm eating double cheeseburgers from Burger King and reading these fun post about die-cast:) 87. AveryNH posted: 04.20.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh and DSSF I've got the 1:64 of Petty's protest car from Dover untouched still in its package. Crown Jewel of my collection. Also I have Jeff Burton's 1994 Raybestos Ford signed and unopened. With that I'll spare you all and go back to watching the end of the truck race. 88. Paul posted: 04.20.2013 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb, I too have the '98 #35 Tabasco car driven by Todd Bodine, as well as Jerry Nadeau's '98 #13 First Plus car. AveryNH, I have Jerry Nadeau's #9 Cartoon Network Ford from '99 and Buckshot Jones' '98 #00 Aquafresh Pontiac as well. Some other drivers that you two listed that I have diecasts for are as follows: - Ward Burton's 2002 #22 Caterpillar and CAT Engines Dodges - Ricky Craven's 2003 #32 Tide Pontiac - Ricky Rudd's 2003 #21 Motorcraft Ford (along with his 2002 #28 Havoline Ford that I already mentioned) - Michael Waltrip's 2000 #7 Nation's Rent Chevy, and two of his 2006 #99 Aaron's Busch Series Dodges - Ken Schrader's 1998/1999 #15 Oakwood Homes Busch Series Chevy - Jeremy Mayfield's 2003 #19 Dodge Dealers Dodge - Joe Nemechek's 2003 #87 Cellular One Busch Series Chevy - Kenny Irwin's 1998 #28 Joker Ford from the fall Charlotte race, along with his 1999 Texaco/Havoline Ford - Terry Labonte's '99, '01, '02, and '03 Kellogg's Chevys, along with his 2004 Cheez-It/Spiderman 2 Chevy from Daytona - Mark Martin's 1997 Valvoline Ford, along with a censored version of his 2002 Viagra Ford - Jason Keller's 2003 #81 Kraft Chevy that he DNQ'd for DEI at Chicago - Jerry Nadeau's 2002 #25 UAW-Delphi Chevy, and his 2003 #01 USG Sheetrock Chevy, along with his #13 and #9 cars from '98 and '99 - Bobby Hamilton's 2002 #55 Schneider Electric/Looney Tunes Chevy from Richmond '02 - Sterling Marlin's 1998/1999 and 2001 Coor's Light Pontiac/Dodge (both censored) And since JG24 mentioned comic books, I might as well mention that I also have Kurt Busch's #97 Superman Ford and Ryan Newman's #12 Justice League Dodge from Michigan '04. 89. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.20.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eh, my diecast collection is small (25-30 or something like that) and very modern, just at the end of the pre-cot and start of the COT era. Nothing truly notable. 90. jabber1990 posted: 04.20.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) my stepdad started his collection in eitiher 98 or 99 and he has all but 1 of the Racing Champions 50th anniversary cars (one of the Benson 26 cars, it was sniped from him on ebay) he gave me some of his duplicates. in 2003 or so (when he was in Iraq) I started my own "collection" and for some reason I would play with them and run my own race (like what those people on youtube do. I wasnt smart enough to do it though, and my parents said that nobody would watch it) and I had a good sized collection, I have I think 40 or 50 at one point, cause I had 43 at one point a few months later I thought i'd be funny and I put the cars on a train layout I was working on at one time (that was demolished in 2008) and I took pictures of it, it also gave me an idea for this racetrack http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/001-2.jpg at one point I considered tryign to scale-up and build a replica racetrack, but I have no clue how big it would be, or how the cars would stay still on the banking here are just 4 random pictures I took of the "collection" http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Bone/Img018.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Bone/Img016.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Laramie.jpg http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/jabber1990/Racing/Thebigone.jpg 91. cjs3872 posted: 04.20.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) JG24FF, and that is why the title should not be determined by just one race, if that is true. It happened again in 1974, and that's why Bob Latford devised his system for 1975, to allocate points evenly for ALL races. While we may not agree on how his system allocated points for the finishing poisitions for those races, at least no one race was mre important that any other race in terms of deciding the championshipf, something tht went away somewhat with the installation of the Chase in 2004, and completely went away in 2007 by making the points for the first 26 races not matter at all beginning with the 27th race. now a driver ca have a big point lead after the 26th race and start the 27th with a point DEFICIT simply because they didn't win races. I know of at least three cases where this has happened, in 2007, 2009, and 2010. And that, to me, is wrong. They should use a combination of point standing and wins if they want to make wins count, whch I think they should. As you know, I devised such a system last year where the top ten drivers are seeded, and then the bonus points for wins are added after the original seeding for the point standings leading into the 27th race, the first in the Chase. 92. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "JG24FF, and that is why the title should not be determined by just one race, if that is true." Herb Thomas earned 875 more points in the Southern 500 than Flock. The final margin was only 146.2,which means that race WAS the Championship. 93. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since we're talking about Fonty Flock in 1951. He led every lap in 6 of his 8 wins. That single season stat is second only to Tim Flock's incredible run of 11 in his monstrous 18 win 1955 season. A season in which Fonty was his teammate for the majority of the season,winning 2 races himself. And yes,I met and annoyed(I was 11)Tim Flock. 94. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For the sake of name dropping,i've met: Tim Flock--He told my father that he felt like his generation was being forgotten back in 1993. David Pearson--So cool. He was genuine in his manners with me. Richard Petty--Petty is really Goth these days. Louise Smith--Met her when was I was eleven too. Frank Mundy Johnny Allen--My dad talked his ear off,they seemed to have a good conversation. Tony Schumacher--He's really intense but not intimidating. Bob Glidden John Force--billions and billions of times! Eddie Hill--The nicest racing person i've ever known. Ashley Force Grumpy Jenkins Don Garlits--Snubbed me for an autograph when I was 9 years old. I finally got it in 2011 at Charlotte in the Fall NHRA event. Antron Brown Kenny Bernstein--He's a 6 Time NHRA fuel classes champ. But you guy's know him as a Cup series team owner for the great Geoff Bodine;) 95. Eric posted: 04.20.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, Kenny Bernstein was never the cup series owner for Geoff Bodine. Kenny Bernstein was the owner for Brett Bodine.Kenny Berstein also was the owner for Joe Ruttman, Morgan Shepherd, Ricky Rudd, dick trickle, Steve Kinser, and Hut Stricklin. 96. JG24FanForever posted: 04.20.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kenny Bernstein was never the cup series owner for Geoff Bodine. Kenny Bernstein was the owner for Brett Bodine." I know. Misprint. 97. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have the autographs of the Wallace Brothers, met them at the local dirt track once and they had an autograph session and I dont know if I dreamed this or if this really happened, but I saw Rusty Wallace walking out of the burger King I worked at once but as I said, not sure if I dreamed it or it really happened 98. The Final Gear posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ashley Force" There is no person I despise more in the NHRA (ex and current racers) than her. She is the epitome of the current generation of female ride buyers in the NHRA. She opened the door for them to succeed, and for me, who idealistically wants the 16 most talented drivers racing every week, goes against my ideal. 99. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Tim Flock--He told my father that he felt like his generation was being forgotten back in 1993." I can only imagine what he would say if he were still alive today. It's so sad that all the NASCAR greats from the pre-national television era have been forgotten about, including from the current generation of NASCAR drivers. We heard Joey Logano once downplay Richard Petty's career in comparison to Jeff Gordon's within the past couple of years. Since Joey is pretty much the epitome of the current NASCAR driver, I can only imagine how much he, or any other young driver or fan for that matter, would say in regards to NASCAR pioneers like the Flock brothers, Herb Thomas, Lee Petty, Red Byron, and Curtis Turner. The stat sheet just doesn't do those drivers justice for how talented they truly were. 100. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Richard Petty--Petty is really Goth these days." Would you care to explain? "Tony Schumacher--He's really intense but not intimidating." I get the same impression from him. He's a very well-spoken guy too. I remember seeing he and Ryan Newman both interviewed last season, speaking about what it means to be sponsored by U.S. Army. Newman gave a Ryan Newman-like interview where he came off as somewhat shy and spoke for about 15-20 seconds, and then Schumacher totally upstaged him by talking for about 1-2 minutes. He wasn't rambling or anything, but I could tell how passionate and honored he was to be sponsored by the U.S. Army, and he came off as very real and genuine in his interview. I like it when drivers speak from the heart, not from lines that their PR rep told them to say. 101. JG24FanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Would you care to explain?" It's how quiet and stoic he is,and he always has his shades hiding his eyes almost like a vampire. When I met him I got a very distant and quiet vibe from him. 102. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of King Richard Petty, is it just me, or has that guy totally stopped again after like 88-ish? It's almost creepy how he's like a freaking picture-perfect time capsule. Also, I doubt that any of the Flock Brothers will ever end up on the ballot for the Hall of fame. Mainly because of the bit with the drivers union thing that Curtis Turner and Tim Flock pulled. 103. Eric posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Destroyahirismix666, Tim Flock has been the NASCAR Hall of Fame Ballot since the first ballot. The real reason Tim Flock isn't the Hall of Fame is the voters having been looking at cup drivers based on wins, not on what era they are from. Tim Flock's numbers as a cup driver puts him in the 2014 NASCAR hall of fame class. Fronty Flock not being the ballot is more due to his amount of cup wins at this point, but he's likely to be on the ballot before the end of the decade. 104. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The reason why some of those guys' stats don't look incredibly impressive is because NASCAR didn't really keep track of stats until 1949. All three of the Flock brothers' stats would like a lot better than they already are had NASCAR kept a tab on the drivers' statistics back in the '40s. Heck, Fonty Flock had already won a NASCAR championship before 1949. It seems like with every Hall of Fame voting panel, all the voters look at is the stat sheet, and will always have bias towards players who they got to watch play during their careers, which I think is the main reason why Dale Jarrett is on the ballot this year and drivers like Fonty Flock aren't. DJ was a terrific driver, no doubt about, and is deserving of being in the Hall of Fame some day, but if it were up to me, I'm going to put drivers who were great and helped build the sport from the ground up and helped future generations of drivers have a place to race and make money over a driver who was simply great in his era with no real lasting impact on the sport. 105. joey2448 posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like to think that Richard Petty's eyes are just black sockets, and that's why he always wears shades. If he were to take his sunglasses off, all you would see is two black holes, and a high-pitch scream would be released and bats would fly from out behind him. 106. JG24FanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 9:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vettel is dominating the Bahrain Grand Prix. Perez is hounding Button in what is the most exciting battle so far. 107. Baker posted: 04.21.2013 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (9) I'm still not watching this crooked and piss poor run sport, however, I still hear the news. Jimmie Johnson can go F himself. I don't give a crap what he says I guarantee Hendrick was the weasels that ratted Penske out because they cannot handle getting beat at there own game. No organization cheats more than those low life scum and NASCAR always lets them get away with it. Penske has something fishy and its a no questions asked point docking right now right away. When Hendrick has something fishy going on its always some long drawn out thing that leads to a Hendrick appeal and ultimately a joke overturning. I cannot wait until someone point this low life arrogant ass into the fence at a high speed track and he breaks something so bad he is never able to enjoy the sport of racing ever again. I wouldn't wish death on anyone so sorry that is as bad as it gets in my hatred for that cheating scum bag rat. 108. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Webmaster, delete Baker's comment. That is just evil and disgusting. I personally think Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus are amongst the most characterless and cowardly people the sport has ever seen, but you're that is unacceptable behavior. Actions and words like that are what have corrupted this country. 109. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker and that Jeff Gordon "fan" who went batshit crazy in caps locks after the Texas race are probably the same user. 110. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) According to DW, the appeals people are unbiased. There's our first "Waltrip, You're Outta Here" of the day. 111. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Waltrip is a Clown and should be fired. Both of them. 112. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How many cautions should we expect" 15. Calling it now. 113. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Of course DW thinks the problem with Danica is the cars. Once they give her the right cars, watch her tear up the NASCAR circuit like no tomorrow! 114. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) GOOD LORD, GET MICHAEL WALTRIP OFF MY TV!!!! 115. Rusty posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What kind of drugs did Michael Waltrip just do before that segment? lol 116. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not a fan of country music but who did the national anthem? he was great! 117. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Petty should just do the command every week. 118. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Grand marshals for other races ought to take lessons from Richard Petty. Man, I really wish I was there!! 119. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Command given, all my windows are open so I can hear the race. Family is out at the Legends. NASCAR on FOX is on with the crazy Waltrip dudes, and the Epic Vampire that dosent' sparkle, wears shades, and a cowboy hat gave the command to start engines. Let's do this! Caution total: 12. Three of them for debris. 120. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cautions: 15 121. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh. My last comment was terrible in grammatical set-up. 122. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just been watching the 2003 Ford 400, man it'll be hard for this race to keep me entertained... 123. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just been watching the 2003 Ford 400" Overlooked late era Winston Cup race for sure. 124. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY! LET'S GO RACING AND GET DW OUT OF THE TV! 125. Peter posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Qualifying 40th or worse: Danica Patrick 8 in 17 races Jeff Gordon 6 in 697 races that just means Jeffie is inferior to Danica hahaha! 126. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle spins. That' early. Welomce back to the 2005 Coke 600. 127. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch spins. 128. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What kind of drugs did Michael Waltrip just do before that segment?" Which segment was that? I must have missed it. 129. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shrub spins. 130. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch spins. But don't worry, FOX is hoping this is a set up for a spin and win! 131. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Qualified 25th...thats an improvment for her! 132. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Restart. Kes is screwed. 133. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's with Brad?? 134. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hope Almirola is in the mix for the win like he was last year. Last year's Kansas race was the best race I've seen him drive. 135. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good God, how many fuel issues has the Penske team had?! 136. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RPM's #43 is usually one of the most attractive looking car on the track, but today it looks awful. 137. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "STEWART AND LOGANO SIDE BY SIDE!!!! MAYBE THEY'LL WRECK EACH OTHER!!!!" 138. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 204 going into the corner of turn 1. Scary. 139. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This could be Stenhouse's breakout Cup race. 140. 18fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse is getting a shitload of coverage early on. 141. Kenny posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If like to see stenhouse win this race it's aways good to see a first time winner :) 142. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't believe that Elliott Sadler has fallen back so far already. 143. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You guys have no idea what kinds of wind we get here. 144. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Can't believe that Elliott Sadler has fallen back so far already." He just can't get it done in the Cup Series. He needs to just stay in NNS for the rest of his career and try and win a championship. 145. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You tell them, Destroya. Tell them about the erratic weather we Kansans get too. 146. The Final Gear posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch continues his trend for the year: Good runs, bad luck and bad finishes. 147. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blaney, wall. 148. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tough break for the Buckeye Bullet. 149. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Blaney losing a right front. 150. Kenny posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate that for Kurt :( 151. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Poor Dave was having such a good run. 152. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Can't believe that Elliott Sadler has fallen back so far already." I can. He was a lousy Cup driver in his last few seasons with RPM, and great equipment isn't going to change that. Looks like that #78 team is falling apart again. The driver's done his job, but something goes wrong with that car every week. This week it's a wheel that was loose since the start of the race. 153. Anthony posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dave Blaney in the wall Josh Wise gets free pass. 154. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like that #78 team is falling apart again. The driver's done his job, but something goes wrong with that car every week." Todd Berrier has always been sort of a smoke and mirrors crew chief. He's one of the worst at setting up cars. So maybe that has something to do with it. 155. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McDowell back on the track? I hope Bliss won't take his parking spot. 156. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did anyone else find the NASCAR.com leaderboard? It used to always be on the main page, but instead all there is is an article about Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., a guide to the TV and radio stations, and a fantasy NASCAR page. 157. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He was a lousy Cup driver in his last few seasons with RPM" Lousy to the tune of of 0.458, 0.611, 0.431 and finally -0.042 PEERs in his last four seasons. 2007-2009 was abysmal in itself, but 2010 was just horrific. His production dropped by almost 110% from the previous year. 158. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mark restarts 2nd and comes back to the line in about 14th. 159. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I avoid the nascar.com site like the plague now. Can't figure it out worth crap. I had problems with the last one! Ugh. Wonder what happened to Mark... 160. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scratch the 14th. He's in 11th. 161. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The colors on Kahne's car remind me a lot of Tim Richmond's classic Folger's car. Too bad Kasey doesn't have 1/1000th the personality that Tim had. 162. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everything that can go wrong for anyone, will go wrong. Carl's complaining about his tires while running second. 163. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR.com has become a massive eyesore since they redesigned it to look more hip for those casual fans who probably only watch the sport for Junior or Danica. It's a site to avoid at all costs. Jeff Gordon has moved up from 43rd to 13th. 164. Greg Jones posted: 04.21.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) They should bulldoze Kansas and Chicago. They both suck! 165. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Going to NASCAR.com always causes my computer to lag, they really screwed things up. 166. Greg Jones posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR dot com sucks. They did screw it up big time! 167. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Swervin' Stenhouse! 168. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So awkward thinking that Roush is in the top three spots, and then remebering that Kenseth is driving a 'yota. 169. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I only got to NASCAR.com for the leaderboard, and now the only useful tool that they have isn't working. And the reason for the redesign of the site is because Time Warner is no longer in charge of the site. Their contract ran out after last season and NASCAR wanted control over it, so that's the reason for it's new look. 170. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So far, it looks like the people predicting 15 cautions for this race may have grossly overestimated... Based on the action we've seen so far, I'm predicting 8 caution flags. 171. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Whenever I see Stenhouse's picture, he reminds me of one of those big-headed mascots with that wide, fake smile and perfectly combed hair. Seriously, go look up a picture of the Dallas Cowboys' mascot (complete with the cowboy hat) and then look at Stenhouse's soulless profile picture. Very creepy. 172. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris caution 173. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) deBriS. Kyle Busch through the grass on pit road. 174. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex from 3rd to 26th. 175. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Martin wall turn 2 176. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott Sadler hit the wall. 177. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution. Jeff Gordon was shuffled back as a result of Martin almost hitting the wall. 178. Kenny posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good to see jr in the top 10 :) 179. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution: Sadler wrecks. NO suprise. 180. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sadler does NOT belong in the Cup Series. 181. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seriously, why is Sadler trying to make it back to the Cup Series? Why can't he just realize that he is best in NNS? 182. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Indy 500 style restart! 183. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) controvercial statement of the week: aren't women more patient then men are? so if/when Danica finally figures this out will she actally be better than everyone else? 184. Anthony posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Jeff Gordon keeps running below the Top15 all day & not have a Top10 Jeff is obviously in danger this season because of where he is in points this gonna be exactly like last year. But Jeff has to be better this year or else we won't contend for the championship this year we'll just miss the chase. Jeff Gordon as of lap 90 he runs 18th 185. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I REALLY get the feeling we're watching another Jimmie Johnson win in the making... 186. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "why is Sadler trying to make it back to the Cup Series?" He loves money and the ability to call himself a Sprint Cup Series driver. That's why he sued RPM back in 2009. 187. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch and Joey Logano both have totalled their race cars. 188. Kenny posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I knew a guy once who said he lives next door to Elliott Sadler and says the guy is a compleat dick *looks at tv*HOLY SHIT O.O 189. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I actually feel sorry for Kyle. 190. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kansas really has it out for Kyle Busch, damn this has been a bad weekend for him. 191. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey and Kyle wrekc, caution 192. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle should have kept the car up near the wall. Hard crash. 193. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) GOD**** THAT WAS A HARD HIT! 194. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man oh man. 195. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW. 196. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was a camera shot! 197. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was an ugly impact. Reminded me a little bit of the impact between Todd Bodine and Bryan Silas in the Truck race yesterday. 198. Greg Jones posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Snappy loose? This track sucks. 199. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That crash reminds me of a wreck that Ricky Craven and Johnny Benson had at Charlotte in about 1996 or so. 200. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Wow the media hounds had Kyle surrounded like sharks at a chum dump, give the guy some space for pete's sake! 201. 18fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle tore up 3 cars (including his truck) this weekend and either spun out or wrecked 5 times this weekend. He just has not figured out Kansas. He spun out twice here in the fall. 202. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) New and mature Kyle huh? At least he stopped and said a word or two, so I guess he is improving some. Hell, Logano, the innocent victim, is talking patiently. 203. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What A Disaster. 204. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I give Kyle a pass. This was the 5th time he's either spun around or wrecked in the past two days. If anyone has the right to be upset, it's Kyle Busch. Wow Mark Martin... 205. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McMurray crazy save. 206. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I screamed on that restart. I saw a 20 car wreck unfolding. Looked like a Tally retart. 207. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Restart 208. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie McMurray was so screwed. 209. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie McMurray just about got wrecked big time. 210. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Mark Martin almost turned Jamie Mac around on that restart, that was Jamie's fault for trying to block though. Restarts have been interesting today to say the least. 211. joey2448 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I REALLY hate that FOX goes to a replay of the restart only about a lap after the restart....can we get some live action please? 212. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FOX sure loves showing us replays of that crash. 213. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Would be fitting for Truex to win this race after it got away from him last year, and because of the tribute 55 decal that he's running on the car. 214. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I love seeing close-ups of the announcers' faces... 215. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DW called Kes' crew chief 'Paul Weef' Waltrip, you're OUTTA here...again. 216. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last fall? He led 173 laps last SPRING. Mike Joy, you're out of here. 217. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Stewart is being outrun by both Ryan and Danica. 218. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For once I am happy about what Darrell said (although he stumbled all over his name). Good to see the love for Paul Wolfe. I think he's the best out there, and hope his suspension is overturned. So glad my favorite driver has him as a cc. 219. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At this rate, everyone's gonna be 'outta here'. 220. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) They should stick Wally Dallenbach and both Richard and Kyle Petty in the announce booth, and then have Jimmy Spencer and Kenny Wallace working on pit road. They'd be a hell of a lot more informative and entertaining than this shit. 221. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How about put Johnny Gomez and Nick Diamond from Celebrity Deathmatch in the announce booth. 222. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Danica b***** about how everyone's not stepping aside for her. Hopefully she'll wreck herself again. 223. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stop crying, BoB. 224. TS1420 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larry Mac's New Word Of The Week: "Stratejury". 225. Kenny posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey guys Danica is bitching thoughts? 226. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, I missed the bitchfest. I muted the TV about 100 laps ago. 227. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like the idea of King Richard Petty in the booth. He did it hit and miss in the early-mid 90's if I recall correctly. Very informative. 228. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Her sense of entitlement repulses me. I've got news for you sister. You haven't accomplished anything. 229. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) really Danica? You're the first driver in at least three years to have a problem with David Gilliland and the way he races. 230. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well her boss is Tony Stewart, who is the only driver to ever have a problem with Gilly. It's only natural that she would take up after his arrogant ass. I enjoyed The King in the announce booth. He was kind of quiet, but whatever he said always made sense and he didn't promote himself over the race. 231. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya cuts a tire. Stenhosue out of gas. Interesting. 232. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Troubles for Stenhouse and Montoya. 233. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gilliland also won a Nationwide race at Kentucky for a part-time team with very little sponsorship. She's nothing more than a scab on his backside. 234. joey2448 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica must've gotten her entitlement attitude from JJ... Does any Gordon fan care anymore? I mean, I'm a diehard 24 fan, and I really don't even care how he runs anymore. I just hope to see an entertaining race nowadays... 235. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Danica just do us all a favor and leave the world of auto racing. 236. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Does any Gordon fan care anymore?" I only care if he has a shot at the win, like he did last week. Other than that, I've since lost any emotional connection with this series. 237. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya had a loose wheel. 238. Kenny posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 230 I'm glade I'm not the onlyone who can't stand TS I hate that f**king asshole 239. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like the sun is coming out. 240. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I enjoyed The King in the announce booth. He was kind of quiet, but whatever he said always made sense and he didn't promote himself over the race." Nuts, did I miss that? 241. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers spins backstretch 242. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Vickers cut a tire and spun out. 243. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers spins. 244. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Waltrip's just a moron. Vickers spins. 245. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers spins out. There is damage to the right side and back of his car. 246. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nuts, did I miss that?" He was a commentator back in the mid-'90s. 247. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Waltrip's just a moron." You're gonna have to be more specific. 248. 18fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael Waltrip, the OWNER of Truex's car, just said Truex dominated the fall race. FOX even covered the race that Truex lost at the end, yet they keep saying it was the fall race. Pocono can't get here fast enough. 249. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You're gonna have to be more specific." It applies to both, but in this instance I was referring to Michael. He keeps saying that it was last Fall when Truex dominated (and blew it), when it was this race last year. He's made that mistake about three times today. John Cena is the first one off pit road. 250. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Pocono can't get here fast enough." Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty in the announce booth. 'Nuff said. 251. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "John Cena is the first one off pit road." Cena actually has a personality. I think we give Jimmie too much credit by comparing him to Cena. 252. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gotta go. I'll still be watching the race guys, Adios. 253. Peter posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 235, I second that, I can't believe she's so popular when she wants everything handed to her on a silver platter 254. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He was a commentator back in the mid-'90s." Chalk one up to stupidity for me. I knew that, but I thought you meant that the King was in the announcing booth today. 255. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cena actually has a personality. I think we give Jimmie too much credit by comparing him to Cena." Yeah, but they both just won't go away. So I shall continue to refer to Jimmie as Cena. 256. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bunch of guys stayed out here. The strategy is getting interesting. 257. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to say, but Danica is NEVER going to go away. As long as she's got media hype on her side, she'll be around for at least a decade because there will always be people wanting to give her a ride. 258. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fair enough, murb. They both have been the top guys in their respective sports during bad eras, and have done really nothing to improve business. CM Punk and Dolph Ziggler are the real WWE stars, but God forbid they be treated like stars. 259. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish, Mears, and Ambrose wreck. 260. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambrose, Hornish, and Mears crash. 261. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish, Ambrose, and Mears crash on the backstretch. 262. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "As long as she's got media hype on her side, she'll be around for at least a decade because there will always be people wanting to give her a ride." And if team owners finally wake up and drop the dud, she can always have a second career and do commercials for the New York Jets, who love attention more than they love winning. Perfect fit. Damn, hate that for Hornish, Mears, and Ambrose. 263. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) D'oh, #13 is really unlucky this weekend. BoB almost wrecked Timmy Hill... 264. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I were In Charge of the WWE one of the first things I'd do is fire Cena. 265. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lets have a little fun whom is on your dream-team when it comes to commentators? and if you want, you can also add pit-reporters to that list too 266. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Fair enough, murb. They both have been the top guys in their respective sports during bad eras, and have done really nothing to improve business. CM Punk and Dolph Ziggler are the real WWE stars, but God forbid they be treated like stars." I haven't even regularly watched wrestling in five years, but every time I check back to see what's going on, my first reaction towards anything is, "Holy crap!!! He's still the top guy?". I would imagine that anybody who has been in and out of watching Nascar the past five years would say the same thing about Jimmie. 267. Kenny posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Have you f**ked up a ford lately XD 268. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This reminds me of the time last fall when murb and I were reading each others' minds all day. 269. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3 Fords, 1 wreck. 270. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @265 Squier, BP, Bestwick Neil Bonnett was great aswell, but I didn't see enough races of his announcing. 271. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "whom is on your dream-team when it comes to commentators?" Read my post #220. I'm being realistic, which is why I didn't have Bob Jenkins, Ned Jarrett, Ken Squier, Benny Parsons, or Chris Economacki. Maybe I could stick Buddy Baker in there, who is still active on Sirius XM radio, and put him in the booth and have Kyle Petty work pit road. 272. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't believe I forgot about Neil Bonnett. He really should have retired after his start-and-park in the 1993 finale at Atlanta. He had a great announcing career ahead of him. 273. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "whom is on your dream-team when it comes to commentators?" Any of the teams in the 90s were great. Bob, BP, and Ned were great on ESPN. Eli Gold, Buddy Baker, and Berggren were great on TNN. Joy, Buddy, and Ned were great on CBS. Any of those teams would do. Hell, I think I would love anything else that's not this Waltrip Family Tool Fest (Featuring Larry Mac's Constant Crew Chief Bashing). 274. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 264. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I were In Charge of the WWE one of the first things I'd do is fire Cena. i'd invest all of the money I made in trying to convince people that its not fake and scripted oh, do the commentators or reporters have a script? or a leaked copy of the script? or are they just as shocked as we are? 275. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MRN said that Hornish will be back for the fall Talladega race later this year, so he'll have the same planned schedule as last year with SKF as the sponsor. 276. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to say this becasue most of you hate Fox...BUT DW, Larry Mac and Mike Joy have the best on-screen chemistry 277. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "DW, Larry Mac and Mike Joy have the best on-screen chemistry" Tools go well together, whether they're in a toolbox or in the announce booth. 278. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Swervin' Stenhouse is mixing it up for the lead!! 279. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica is throwing another fit. 280. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So is she gonna pit or just ride around with a tire rub for the rest of the race? 281. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BoB trying to wreck Ambrose. Gave herself a tire rub. She just keeps one upping herself. 282. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What the hell happened to Brad's car? 283. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHAT THE HELL BRAD?!?!?!?! 284. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambrose got loose and hit Danica, so it's obvious that it was hit fault and he must get wrecked in retaliation. 285. Peter posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...and princess bitch strikes again; Ambrose clearly got lose 286. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell, not even FOX thinks Ambrose hit her on purpose...which is quite a surprise! 287. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't wait until she crosses the wrong driver on the race track. I really badly want to see her get taught a lesson. 288. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess FOX is a lot classier than ESPN. When a foreigner accidentally got into her at Road America last year, ESPN threw a hissy fit. Thankfully FOX didn't do the same. 289. MarkMartinFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To answer Danica's question of "what the hell was that?", it was a driver getting loose. You wouldn't know what that is because you're too slow to ever have a loose race car. 290. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica seems to be so intelligent, yes, one of the nicest guys on the track is probably after her, better wreck him before Marcus spins her. 291. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *like Kenny Schrader 292. Anonymous posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When even the second most biased network ever (after ESPN) thinks Danica is a hothead... 293. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NONONONONONONO!!!! 294. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Legit debris caution during green flag stops. That's gonna make this interesting. 295. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and princess bitch" I like that! 296. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And of course it's legit debris for once. 297. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice one Brad. Just drive around for 30 laps with a damaged rear bumper, and then drop it on the track and bring out a caution. 298. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Danica's girlfriend got lucky. 299. Mr X posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like Brad but why the hell wasn't Brad brought to pit road about 10 laps ago? 300. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica's girlfriend? why the Stenhouse hate already? 301. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No hatred towards Ricky, I don't mind him. But Danica stated several times that she must be taken seriously not like a girl. 302. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are they really blaming a shock for Truex's loss last week? 303. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But Danica stated several times that she must be taken seriously not like a girl." What an odd thing to say for someone whose entire career has been based on the fact that she is a girl. 304. MarkMartinFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The only reason she has fan support is because she is a girl. Any record she ever breaks is a female-based record. 305. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Listening to Truex's radio online today cause I have him in my pool, and he has sounded defeated all day. I don't know if it is the weight of the losses or what, but I am understanding his winless streak now. 306. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Matt wins this race, it's because the timing of that caution pinned three very potent cars (17, 88, 99) a lap down forcing them to use the wave around. Cannot believe that NASCAR didn't black flag the 2 rather than waiting for that panel to fly off the car. 307. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Listening to Truex's radio online today cause I have him in my pool, and he has sounded defeated all day." Agree To Lose. It's a shame because he's so talented. 308. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) We're gonna have a Vegas replay with the 20 and 5. GO KENSETH!!!! 309. joey2448 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boy, this is shaping up to be a lot like Vegas...Kenseth being chased by Kahne. 310. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul Menard has silently been running top ten/top fifteen throughout the race. This could be a breakout year for him(by Menard standards that is). 311. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cannot believe that NASCAR didn't black flag the 2 rather than waiting for that panel to fly off the car." I was shocked they didn't black flag him as well, since usually NASCAR doesn't hesitate to pull out a black flag in a situation like that. Glad to see Aric Almirola running well here again after he had such a strong race at this track ruined last year by a crash. 312. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad Keselowski might be in trouble again. He just said something broke. 313. MarkMartinFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Paul Menard makes the chase this year. Not only makes the chase, but makes it on points. 314. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex once again fades to drivers who have won a lot. Why am I not surprised? 315. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a feeling a robot might win this race. 316. Anonymous posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) i'm not trying to be mean but Rick Hendrick is the meanest car owner in the history of Nascar. jr was running in the top 5 and I know he pitted but now he can't even get into the top 10. yet jimmie and kasey are running in the top 3. May they rest in peace, Pappa Hendrick, Ricky Hendrick and rick's brother would be ashamed of him as a car owner towards jr. 317. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, it's DaleJrFan! 318. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Please give us a caution. 319. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wait for it... 320. MarkMartinFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I wonder if Danica ever has that Ricky Bobby reaction from when he is testing after his accident. "I'm going fast! What are those? Are those the other cars?" 321. DaleJrFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #317 it's not me this time. I always put my username in the comment, I don't go anonymous. to be fair I still think Hendrick favors jimmie over jr but this is just what my opinion. everyone can have their own. just wanted to say #316 is NOT me. 322. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) YES!!!!!! 323. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth! First time since 1985 that three straight races have been won from the pole. 324. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, the finish kind of fell flat, but the winner is good. 325. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Deja vu all over again. 326. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, what do you know, I actually guessed the correct number of cautions right on the dot! 327. New14 & 88Fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Moving to Gibbs may just turn out to be the best decision Matt Kenseth has every made. 328. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Helluva job by Matt and that 20 team. Think Roush is feeling sick? 329. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth has this new surface figured out. 330. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's too bad that last caution had to come out during green flag pit stops. I would have liked to have seen if Stenhouse could have held off Kenseth for the win. 331. We need more Onion posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Paul Menard gets his 4th top 10 this season. He is totally under the radar, I didn't even see him this season except when he was up in the 2nd place in Bristol. 332. TS1420 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cookie cutter track has cookie cutter finish. 333. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That Podium image that FOX has been showing this year is pretty cool, yet incredibly cheesy with the drivers waving at imaginary fans. 334. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where did Brad end up finishing? 335. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's kind of sad when I settle for a 13th place finish by Jeff Gordon. 336. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And Paul Menard gets his 4th top 10 this season." He finished 3rd in this race last fall. His driving style fits well with this race track. Martin Truex, Jr. sounds like he's about to cry in his MRN interview. 337. Hank1469 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Killer run at the end, enjoyed the finish! Mike Joy seems to be a little lost? I wonder if he drinks? 338. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's kind of sad when I settle for a 13th place finish by Jeff Gordon." Gained 30 positions at least. 339. MarkMartinFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Wins in the 20 ca: Joey Logano from 2009 to 2012 - 2 Matt Kenseth in 8 races - 2 340. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Paul Menard were a fictitious character, he would be the Invisible Man. 341. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 6th for Brad, TeamPlayers. 342. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I picked Matt Kenseth to win the Championship up against the Media who are essentially either Kyle Busch or Jimmie Johnson fanboys. Looks like it might happen. 343. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I am getting really tired of these boring predictable races something has to change very soon. 344. DaleJrFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) One more thing, I just want jr to win that is all. 345. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Mike Joy seems to be a little lost? I wonder if he drinks?" I'm starting to wonder if the whole Fox crew drinks. We know MW does... 346. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I still think Brad should have been black flagged for the debris hanging off his car. They could have easily given it to him right before green flag pit stops and not screwed the Roush cars, Gordon, and Junior out of possible top five/top ten finishes. Matt Kenseth ties his 1960s counterpart Fred Lorenzen with his 26th career Cup win. 347. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gained 30 positions at least." And he gained 3 positions in the last 10% of the race. That is something the #24 team has, overall, failed miserably at doing this year, retaining position when it counts most. 348. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Solid top ten finishes for Almriola and Menard. Great top 15 recovery for Kurt Busch after his car failed him at the beginning once again. He'd make a great replacement for Kevin Harvick next season. 349. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stick a fork in Joey Logano's Chase hopes, he's done. Glad to see McMurray and Menard in the Chase as it currently stands. 350. Neal posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Alright guys - time for the post-race debrief. If anybody criticizes Danica, the response is "she finished where she started, and she did beat Kyle Busch and Joey Logano so she had a pretty good day." 351. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "she did beat Kyle Busch and Joey Logano so she had a pretty good day." They crashed. 352. MarkMartinFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not sure who has been ignored more this year between Paul Menard, Aric Almirola, and Jamie McMurray. They are 10th, 11th, and 13th in points after this race. But they have been mentioned probably 10 times combined this year. 353. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Matt Kenseth the Vanilla Ice of Nascar? Chris Myers, you should have been outta here 12 years ago. 354. Neal posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "They crashed." ----- I guess I didn't lay the sarcasm on thick enough. 355. Anthony posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon remains 15th in the standings did not make up points. D Worst Hendrick Driver this year while the other 3 are in the Top5. Jeff Gordon will just keep on struggling & I hate to see this guy fail & not make the chase this will really cost us this year we have to be a front runner if not forget it will just go for 13th instead. Congrats to Matt Kenseth but good luck to the 3 Hendrick Drivers they earn it we don't. 356. BON GORDON posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's all circumstances with Gordon.13th place sucks no matter what but honestly I didn't think he'd finish higher than 20th or so after how dreadful the weekend went. I think his car was good enough to get a 9th or 10th place finish but of course that caution with 50 to go killed any chance of that. Hasn't been a good year at all for Jeff Gordon but there have been moments of promise. He ran great at Texas and is getting a little better on cookie-cutter tracks. 357. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I guess I didn't lay the sarcasm on thick enough." lol, I got the joke right after I clicked post. I thought you were being serious for a minute. My bad, Neal. 358. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Calm down with the pessimistic views on Gordon's Chase chances. He was doing a lot worse at this point last season. Besides, the '07-present Chase format makes the first 26 races completely meaningless outside of how many wins that drivers have, so his placement in the points means absolutely nothing right now. 359. AveryNH posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Off to Long Beach!! 360. DaleJrFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm 100% serious when I ask this, what happened to jr. did getting back in traffic after the caution mess him up or what. don't say it is because he sucks, i'm just wondering 361. 83andJoe posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Dream team of announcers? If it's "anybody", give me 1990s ESPN: Bob, Ned and Benny in the booth, Doc, Bill Weber and John Kernan in the pits. Also, I'm probably the only race fan alive who can't stand Ken Squier's voice. As for current announcers, that's a tough call, because there's so many announcers trying to prove Sturgeon's Law ("90% of everything is crap")... 362. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was one of three people who picked Kenseth to win today in 24over48's game. 363. BON GORDON posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll tell you what team and driver truly sucks right now is Tony Stewart and the #14 team. Yikes! Overall Gordon has ran a lot better than him. 364. joey2448 posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) First time in NASCAR history that two robots are leading the Cup point standings... 365. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Yeah, for as much bad luck Gordon has had, at least he's had a few races where he's ran competitively. I don't think Stewart's been competitive in even a single race so far this year. 366. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, I see a crew chief change coming soon for Stewart. I wonder if it will be Zippy. 367. 83andJoe posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #36 status: Handling. Speaking of the #36, Victor Gonzalez Jr. is going to drive that car in the two road-course events, becoming the first Puerto Rican Cup driver. 368. Eric posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think think Chris Myers should have been gone from NASCAR broadcast years ago. I don't know where he got his Matt Kenseth the Vanilla Ice of Nascar from. Vanilla Ice's music now days is considered lame, and Matt Kenseth isn't lame at all. I had to put with Vanilla Ice's music in the classroom in 1990 and I didn't like it at then. When it comes to somethings of pop culture, Vanilla Ice is one of the things from the late 1980's or early 1990's that I don't miss from that time period. 369. 18fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kenseth has already led more laps this year than he did all of last year. 370. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice job Kimball... 371. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, that sucks for Hinchcliffe. 372. JP88 posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #360 He got screwed and went a lap down when he pitted and the caution came out right after. Much like Edwards, Biffle, and Stenhouse, they all got screwed...but man I'm getting sick of seeing potential wins leaving the 88 team. He and Stenhouse might have been the race if that untimely caution didn't fall. 373. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RHR wrecks. Dammit. 374. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Problems for Allmendinger too. 375. ch posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Changes: 16 - Ace / 3M 19 - Humphrey Smith Racing 20 - Husky Tools 30 - Prayers for Boston / Swan Energy 33 - KCI Kansas City 376. Eric posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) At this rate, I think Matt Kenseth is going to have a career high in wins and laps led in year. The fact is I think Matt is getting the best equipment of his cup career. If he didn't had bad luck at Daytona and Bristol, Matt would have had 4 cup wins this season already. 377. MStall41 posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Perfect example of a race where the cars are going too fast. The Gen 6 has improved things greatly this year but they gotta slow these cars down a tiny bit (10-15 mph maybe?). Juxtapose the Truck race with the Cup race, and you'll see what I'm talking about. "Too-Fast-Speeds" are a huge factor in the lack of passing today. 378. Schroeder51 posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Takuma Sato! I knew he had the talent to be a winner in IndyCar, all he had to do was put a full race together without messing up. 379. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So proud of Brad and the whole Blue Deuce team led so effectively by Paul Wolfe. As I've said in the past, I don't know if Back2Back is in the cards this year, but I see them winning more championships in the future. I still don't think that group has done more than scratch the celing of what they are capable of, and they already have a title! They remind me so much of late 90s Gordon of JJ in the number of races they have that look like they will be pure dogshit and wind up in the Top 10. They just never quit! They haven't won quite enough to be in "Refuse To Lose" territory, but certainly "Refuse To Quit". Speaking of Refuse To Lose, the original guy for that has been targeted by the racing gods in their Refuse To Let Gordon Finish Where He Deserves campaign. He is simply paying the price for all that mind boggling success he had early. In racing, all good luck must be evend out by bad luck. Although Jeff certainly made a lot of his own luck during his early years just by being so good and so cerebral, he almost never had those nagging problems that prevent good finishes and momentum. Now he is paying the piper. It is tough to watch, but that is where he is at. He is Odysseus and Posiden has him in his cross hairs. 380. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kenseth's current average finish doesn't do him justice for how well he's run this season, as it is currently less than that of his previous three seasons. If not for his engine failure at Daytona, being at the wrong place at the wrong time when Gordon blew his tire at Bristol, and getting stuck in traffic due to an untimely caution at Martinsville, his average finish might be higher than that from his '06 season and he'd probably have 7 top ten finishes this season. This is the 8th time that Kenseth has won multiple races in a season, and in his previous seven multi-win seasons, he has finished in the top five in points only three times ('06, '07, '11). I'd say he's very likely to finish top five in points at the rate his season is going, but history shows that multi-win seasons don't usually bid well for Kenseth's final points finish. Congratulations to Takuma Sato on his first IndyCar victory, which in turn is A.J. Foyt's first win as a car owner since July 7, 2002. A lot of the credit goes to Larry Foyt, who has helped steadily turn that team around ever since he took on a management role with that team a few years back. Very happy for those guys. 381. The Long Shot posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #367: Is that right? Where did you hear that? 382. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Sato!!! 383. The Long Shot posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Update: Never mind. Just read it on Jayski.com. Also, congrats to Matt DiBenedetto on getting back into NASCAR. Always thought he had a lot of potential, but just never got that full-time ride he needed. 384. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Always thought he had a lot of potential, but just never got that full-time ride he needed." He just needed to get away from JGR's "developmental" system. I'm glad that he'll finally get to run a full Nationwide race at Darlington in a few weeks, driving for Vision Racing. 385. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Kenseth's current average finish doesn't do him justice for how well he's run this season" His current average finish is 14.25. Take away Daytona and Bristol and it's 7.0. 386. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) How does Bob Dilner know so much about Kyle Busch's personal life? Is he a stalker. 387. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Take away Daytona and Bristol and it's 7.0." Almost three full positions better than his current career high of 9.8 in 2006. Kenseth is my pick for the title this year. 388. 18fan posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What was Dillner saying? 389. Eric posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I got a race facts that I am surprised no one mentioned. Joe Gibbs Racing now has won all three mile and a half races this season. The 2nd fact is now JGR now has won all 4 races that are on 2 mile or mile and half tracks. That means JGR has the edge on horsepower power tracks. That is something to keep an eye for Charlotte in terms of the all star race and the 600. 390. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle Busch's faith (religion) is more important to him than ever" "His wife means the world to him as much as any other driver" "I know I know I know this is a new Kyle Busch" All on the SPEED Report Sounds like the crap you'd hear on TMZ or E! 391. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I still think NASCAR should have black-flagged Brad when he had that debris hanging off his car instead of waiting until it fell off, because it could have ruined someone else's day if they had run over it. But it was a great comeback for the #2 team. Ricky Stenhouse has his best race of the season so far, leading 26 laps and finishing a respectable 11th. Elliott Sadler and Bobby Labonte had pretty nice paint schemes for this race. 392. b4il3y posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Speaking of under the radar..Almirola is having a nice season so far. 393. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola is like Menard this year and if not for his crash at Bristol be higher up in points. 394. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Paul Menard, Jamie McMurray and Aric Almirola are all having pretty good seasons. Menard just keeps getting better year after year and is once again out running both his teammates. He might be able to ride his wave of consistency into the chase, although I don't think he'll do much if he makes it in. Jamie McMurray has equaled the number of top 10s that he had in all of last year. Although he's nowhere near his 2010 form, he's at least outrunning Montoya by far. Aric Almirola is also doing very well for only a driver entering his second full season. I think he'll finally break through and win this year. 395. Eric posted: 04.21.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with Bronco on his statement. I want to add that I think this is Montoya's last season with Chip on the cup side. 396. DaleJrFan posted: 04.21.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr not coming in to pit when most of the leaders did is what probably cost him the most today. If he had come in he would only have had to pit 1 more time instead of 2. I know some people might I can't be taken seriously but this is one time I can be. Also good to see AJ Foyt get his first Indy car win in 11 years. 397. Mr X posted: 04.21.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To be fair to Montoya he was running decent today before he lost his right front tire. 398. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd love it if all three of those under-the-radar drivers (McMurray, Menard, Almirola) made the Chase this year, especially McMurray just because of how lousy his team was the previous two years. Plus, it'd be a shame if a driver as talented as McMurray never had a top ten points finish, and making the Chase this year would certainly give him an opportunity to do just that. Almirola is starting to become my favorite Ford Cup driver, which as someone who has always been a Ford guy, I would love to see him succeed in Cup. For years, Kenseth was my favorite Ford driver after Kurt Busch left for Penske in '06, and I've never really cared for any of the current Roush drivers (although I am hoping that Edwards can rebound from his horrible 2012 season). I like Brad, but he's been opening his mouth a lot lately and is starting to remind me of Tony Stewart with his borderline straight shooter/jerk attitude, and I am in no way a fan of Stewart's. So I have some emotional investment in Almirola and hope he can rebound from his crash at Bristol and make the Chase. As for Menard, I'll admit that I feel connected with him in a way just because I used to work at a Menards store back in high school, so I would always pull for him to have a good race. One of my all-time favorite top five finishing orders came in the 2011 Brickyard 400 with Menard, Gordon, Regan Smith, McMurray, and Kenseth finishing in the top five. And considering how he has out-performed Kevin Harvick this season, I'm really hoping that Menard is the top RCR driver in the final point standings. By the way, I just realized that Harvick has more non-points victories (2) than top tens (1) this season. Lame duck much? If Harvick and Bowyer could fall out of the Chase and Almirola and Gordon can get in instead, I'll be one happy camper. :) 399. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The funniest thing about those three under the radar drivers is that they've combined to lead just four laps through eight races this season, and yet they're all in the top 13 in points. In fact, RCR has led just THREE laps all season, and their 2011 driver lineup (which includes Clint Bowyer) has led just FOUR laps all season. No wonder RCR stands for "Really Conservative Racing." I guarantee you that number will go up if RCR hires Kurt Busch to drive one of their cars next season. Kurt has already led as many laps as Harvick has this season, so he couldn't possibly lead any less if in Harvick's ride, right? 400. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For Montoya's sake, I hope he leaves NASCAR for a different series, hopefully still aligned with Chip Ganassi. He is an incredibly talented driver, but he's just wasting his talents in NASCAR and he's only gotten worse over the past three seasons. He's the first Columbian-born driver to win a race and finish in the top ten in points in NASCAR, so he's already left his mark. A different racing discipline such as Grand-Am or even IndyCar would do him a lot of favors in enhancing his legacy as a terrific race car driver. 401. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He's the first Columbian-born driver to win a race and finish in the top ten in points in NASCAR, so he's already left his mark." Up until Charlotte, he had a really nice run going in the 2009 Chase, coming in third in points, but finishing 35th derailed his efforts. 402. CBASS posted: 04.21.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #16 ACE Brand Products/ 3M #9 Stanley/ DeWalt #47 Pine-Sol/ Scott Products #42 Target/ Clorox #22 AAA Insurace 403. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) His 2009 season would have looked better had he won the Brickyard 400 like he should have, but his speeding penalty ended his hopes at what surely would have been his only oval victory in NASCAR. I don't know about you guys, but I wish NASCAR would have just looked the other way on that one. It was a very unremarkable race with just three cautions and nine lead changes, in a year that was pretty unremarkable overall. It would have been good publicity for NASCAR to have a foreign born driver win the 2nd biggest race of the year and become the first driver to win both the Indianapolis 500 and Brickyard 400, and instead we just got an unremarkable finish (Hendrick 1-2-3 finish, Jimmie Johnson wins) that took away any real replay value that that race would have had. NASCAR looked the other way when Dale Earnhardt blatantly sped on pit road in the 1992 Coca-Cola 600, en route to his only win of the season and Chevrolet's first win of the season (the bow tie executives' egos just couldn't stand losing week-in and week-out to the blue ovals), and that was back when the sport had some credibility. By 2009 it had hardly any credibility, so I'm surprised and a little disappointed that they wouldn't turn a blind eye to Montoya's speeding penalty the same way they did with Dale's 17 years earlier. 404. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Plus, it'd be a shame if a driver as talented as McMurray never had a top ten points finish, and making the Chase this year would certainly give him an opportunity to do just that." Especially since he once had a year where he scored more top tens than the champion did (2004). I've been saying it for the past few weeks, so I hate to sound like a broken record, but if McMurray can get a win at one of his strong tracks (Charlotte, Daytona, Talladega, even Darlington), he can easily get one of the Wild Cards. Hell, at this rate he might be able to make it in through the top ten. Almirola is starting to remind me a lot of Bobby Hamilton in the way he's sort of resurrecting the 43 car. Hamilton is one of my two or three favorites of all time (and I love The King too), so inevitably Aric has become a part of my core of guys I root for (along with Brad, Burton, Labonte, and Kenseth). Hopefully he'll be able to grab a win at some point this year and at least contend to make it into the Chase. I've always like Paul Menard. He's always gotten a bad rap because of the "ride buyer" aspect, but he's really done a lot with a little throughout his whole Cup career. I give him a pass for his mediocre tenure with DEI since they were going through the whole Jr/Teresa/Ginn/Death sequence during that time. But I thought he did a great job in the 98 when he was at Yates/RPM. And then of course he's been solid as a rock during his RCR stint. So he's always impressed me with his ability to keep putting up great results. I can see him getting maybe one or two more wins and winding up with a memorable John Andretti-esque career. 405. murb posted: 04.21.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree, Montoya should just go do Grand Am full time with Ganassi. Grand Am and ALMS will be merging next year, so Montoya could go over there and bring a ton of eyes to that new series since he's such a big name. Not to mention, he'd probably win the championship given how good he is in those cars. I have a really hard time seeing him leaving Nascar though. He seems like he doesn't even care that he's running like crap. It's like he's just doing it for the money. So I don't see him leaving, as much as I think it would benefit him (and the EGR team). He and Chip are obviously great friends, so I'm sure they'll sign up for another multi-year agreement of mediocrity when it comes time for a contract decision. 406. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Passing efficiencies for today's race: Kyle Busch - 72.73% Landon Cassill - 64.58% David Stremme - 64.52% Jimmie Johnson - 64.17% Martin Truex, Jr. - 61.98% Kasey Kahne - 62.50% Kevin Harvick - 57.89% Brad Keselowski - 57.14% Dave Blaney - 57.14% Matt Kenseth - 56.67% David Ragan - 55.56% Jeff Gordon - 52.44% Jamie McMurray - 52.20% Paul Menard - 52.14% Aric Almirola - 51.64% Jeff Burton - 51.63% Juan Pablo Montoya - 50.96% Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 50.77% Bobby Labonte - 50.67% Clint Bowyer - 50.00% Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. - 49.37% Kurt Busch - 49.23% Sam Hornish, Jr. - 49.12% David Gilliland - 48.51% Casey Mears - 48.25% Ryan Newman - 47.41% Travis Kvapil - 46.99% Regan Smith - 46.62% Josh Wise - 46.24% Tony Stewart - 46.22% Marcos Ambrose - 45.65% Brian Vickers - 45.45% Timmy Hill - 45.45% Danica Patrick - 45.27% Carl Edwards - 42.86% Greg Biffle - 41.96% Mark Martin - 41.81% David Reutimann - 40.91% Joey Logano - 40.63% Elliott Sadler - 26.83% Michael McDowell - 25.00% J.J. Yeley - 24.07% Mike Bliss - 22.22% 407. cjs3872 posted: 04.21.2013 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And murb, wouldn't it be great to see the #43 get back to victoy lane this year. One iconic car made it back to victory lane after a long absence today when Takuma Sato brought the famous #14 back to an IndyCar victory lane at Long Beach, so it would only be fitting if Aric Almirola completed this cycle of famous cars returning to victory lane later this year. That cycle somewhat started when Trevor Bayne brought the equally iconic #21 back to victory lane in the 2011 Daytona 500, red and white car, gold numbers, and all. So it qould be fitting if the #43 was also brougt back to victory lane, especially with the classic blue car they're running in most of the races this year. And speaking of iconic cars, and I'm not sure anyone's brought this up, but does the red car that Matt Kenseth ran today, especially the way he's been running this year, remind anyone else of the great classic red STP cars that Andy Granatelli and later Pat Patrick ran from 1966-'77? Kenseth's red #20 reminds me of Gordon Johncock's red #20 that he ran for Pat Patrick from 1973-'77, winning the tragedy-marred 1973 Indianapolis 500 and his only USAC championship in 1976. (When STP returned with Johncock and Patrick in 1981, Gordy ran the classic Richard Petty color scheme.) But that electric red car Kenseth's been running is so reminiscent of the days when Granateli ran the turbine cars at Indy in 1967-'68, and then won Indy with Mario Andretti in 1969 and later with Johncock in 1973, as well as the 1972 World 600 with Buddy Baker. 408. David posted: 04.21.2013 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've always like Paul Menard. He's always gotten a bad rap because of the "ride buyer" aspect, but he's really done a lot with a little throughout his whole Cup career. I give him a pass for his mediocre tenure with DEI since they were going through the whole Jr/Teresa/Ginn/Death sequence during that time. But I thought he did a great job in the 98 when he was at Yates/RPM. And then of course he's been solid as a rock during his RCR stint. So he's always impressed me with his ability to keep putting up great results. I can see him getting maybe one or two more wins and winding up with a memorable John Andretti-esque career." I am with you there. I have always liked Menard as well. He's done a decent job throughout his entire career. Personally, I really don't have anything against drivers who are family-sponsored, as long as that doesn't go to their head. But Paul isn't that kind of guy. 409. 1995z71 posted: 04.21.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jamie McMurray 2012: 36 races, 3 Top 10s 2013: 8 races, 3 Top 10s 410. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul Menard has always shown a lot of respect for both the sport and his fellow competitors. He got a lot of crap early in his career for his family sponsorship and his poor results in his first few Cup seasons, but he's shown over the last four seasons that he belongs in the Cup Series, and his current Chase position for a team that has regressed over the past few seasons is further proof of that. As far as drivers who grew up in families with a lot of money, he's probably my favorite. 411. cjs3872 posted: 04.21.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, the thing with Paul Menard is that he generally doesn't tear up his equipment. There always used to be a saying regarding drivers like Al Unser, Ned Jarrett, and Benny Parsons, and that was that he "doesn't bang them up, he just brings them home". That describes Paul Menard's driving style perfectly. If he has a 15th place car, he'll usually bring it in about 15th-18th, but he won't try to finish 12th with a 15th place car. And he might have picked up some of that from Al Unser in the 1992 Indianapolis 500. When everyone else was crashing, Al found a way to not only finish, but actually contend with a car nobody ever contended with, actually leading briefly in the late going and finishing third behind his son and Scott Goodyear. Paul Menard might have picked something up from that and adapted Al, Sr's driving style of always seeming to finish races, even if he doesn't run up front in them. And with NASCAR's point system, that's crtical to success throughout the season. Drivers like Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., who was very impressive today as one of only three drivers to legitmately lead the race (Matt Kenseth and Martin Truex, Jr. were the other two), might wow the fans, but it's drivers like Paul Menard that generally have the staying power because Menard generally won't tear up equipment, which is often what car owners want. And Menard will occasionally contend. Menard will probably finish around 15th-18th in points because he doesn't run close enough to the front, but he generally won't crash either. A driver that finishes races withut tearing up equipment will always be favored over a flashy driver that runs up front, but crashes too much, because the overall results are shown at the finish of a race, and only at the finish. 412. Bronco posted: 04.21.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I am with you there. I have always liked Menard as well. He's done a decent job throughout his entire career." Paul Menard is a good driver period, whether he comes with a sponsor or not. You can always count on him to be a solid top 15 driver, and he hardly wrecks any cars. Seriously when was the last time he spun/wrecked on his own? Not only that, but he's probably one of the cleanest, non-controversial drivers out there. I also like how he gets better every year that he's been in the Cup series since 2009. 413. cjs3872 posted: 04.21.2013 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, one of the reasons for that is, unlike most of those that seemingly have bought rides with their sponsorship over the years, Paul Menard actually grew up around racing and knows more about racing than just about any of the others that have gotten rides through connections because he's been around racing for virtually his entire life. And even if his victory in the 2011 Brickyard 400 ends up being his only victory in NASCAR's top series, he shows more respect than many of the other "ride-buyers" because of his being around the sport virtually his entire life, and there are certainly some advantages to being around the sport. But he's also shown that he does have talent, something that former Dale Earnhardt and Harry Gant crew chief Andy Petree discovered a decade ago. 414. jabber1990 posted: 04.21.2013 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) as I said though, I always thought the Fox guys had the best Chemistry but I was never a Chris Meyers fan I never liked him if there is a former F1 driver in NASCAR it actually gets the Haters to shut up and goes back to my one argument "hey, a Former F1 driver cant succeed in NASCAR" I thought McMurray made the chase in 2005 which caused NASCAR to enact the 4-car limit, 415. Eric posted: 04.21.2013 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber1990, Mcmurray wasn't with Roush in 2005. Jamie was with Chip in 2005 before leaving to Roush in 2006. Roush had Kenseth, Martin, Kurt Busch, Greg Biffle and Carl Edwards making the chase in 2005. 416. Paul posted: 04.21.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seriously when was the last time he spun/wrecked on his own?" I think that was the 2011 fall Richmond race when his crew chief kept him out on the race track with a flat tire, even though he was many laps down at that point. "Menard will probably finish around 15th-18th in points because he doesn't run close enough to the front, but he generally won't crash either." I don't think you're giving Menard enough credit. If he continues to rack up these top 10-15 finishes, not overdrive the car, and avoid getting caught up in anybody's mistakes, he could very well finish in the top 12 in points this season. "I thought McMurray made the chase in 2005 which caused NASCAR to enact the 4-car limit" You're thinking of 2010, which was the first year that NASCAR mandated that all teams have no more than four full-time cars, and McMurray wound up leaving to EGR, where he won three races in 2010, including the two biggest races of the year. Also, McMurray has never made the Chase and has a best points finish of 11th in 2004 (despite having more top ten finishes than eventual champion Kurt Busch). He should have made the Chase that year, but an early season penalty turned out to be the difference maker, and Ryan Newman got the 10th and final Chase spot instead. 417. cjs3872 posted: 04.22.2013 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) But Paul, you forget tht some of those Menard's in front of in the points are likely not going to be behind him by season's end. Harvick, Gordon, Stewart (if a change is made there), and likely Truex and Newman, and possibly Stenhouse may wind up in front of Meard, and if athey all finish ahead of Menard, that would put him in 15th or 16th place, because I surely don't see Menard geting ahead of anyone he currently trails. And let's not forget about Marcos Ambrose, because he should win at least one of the two road course events. He may finish ahead of Menard as well. Joey Logano's crashed to earth, though not all of it is his fault (today's a great example of that), and I expect Menard to begin to do the same thing, though not for the same reason. Early in the season, you can finish 12th-16th and be in the top ten in the points because you'll be ahead of those that have a bad race or two, but Menard's not going to be able to stay up there because 12th-16th on a weekly basis is about his ceiling, and he can't stay in the top ten in points finishing 12th-16th every week. He's going to drop in the points eventually. In fact, I can almost guarantee, unless one of them gets injured, that we can already identify 9 of the 12 drivers that will be in this year's Chase, which would be the current top nine in the standings. Does anyone seriously think that Menard could get in over the likes of Harvick, Stewart (assuming changes are made), Gordon (if he can get over being too hesitant on the throttle on the high-speed tracks), and even Truex. I think not. And if Ricky Stenhouse cntinues to show the speed he had today, he could be a threat, though Richmond and Darlington could be problems for him. I believe three-quarters of the Chase field has already been identified, meaning that there are only three spots left available, and I believe, along with Harvick, Stewart, Gordon, and Truex, that Denny Hamlin could also be a player in this, one way or the other. 418. Scott B posted: 04.22.2013 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Random Stat of the Week: First Cups starts of the season for Sam Hornish, Jr and Elliott Sadler. Both DNF with wrecks. 419. murb posted: 04.22.2013 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Does anyone seriously think that Menard could get in over the likes of Harvick, Stewart (assuming changes are made), Gordon (if he can get over being too hesitant on the throttle on the high-speed tracks), and even Truex." If Stewart keeps having these pathetic runs throughout Summer, yeah. 420. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 8:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chrysler officials have reportedly approved NASCAR funding and has started talking to teams about a possible return for Dodge to NASCAR in 2014. Kurt Busch will appear at the Circuit of The Americas in Austin, TX tomorrow for a special car swap with some of the V8 Supercars drivers. For any V8 fans out there, the drivers who will be appearing will be James Courtney and Fabian Coulthard. 421. Daniel posted: 04.22.2013 - 9:01 am Rate this comment: (5) (1) David Gilliland has responded to Danica Patrick's complaints: "Shut up and race" 422. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 9:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't know what I'm more pleasantly surprised by: The fact that Gilliland told Danica to "Shut up and race," or that the media actually wrote a story involving David Gilliland. Either way, I'm a happy camper. I've always liked Gilly and I gained a lot of respect for him for standing up for himself, which he should. This makes it two Kansas races in a row that Danica had made a meaningless enemy with a driver who nobody else has a problem with. 423. David posted: 04.22.2013 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gilliland actually delivered that message through a spokesperson, which is far less impressive, but I'm proud of him for saying it anyway. 424. David posted: 04.22.2013 - 10:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting fact: Elliott Sadler became one of a few drivers to have competed in the Sprint Cup Series driving Chevrolets, Fords, Dodges, and Toyotas. 425. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 10:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of which, as far as I'm aware, Dave Blaney is the only active driver to have a top five finish with four different manufacturers (Ford at Darlington '03, Dodge at Richmond '06, Toyota at Talladega '07, Chevrolet at Talladega '11). 426. cjs3872 posted: 04.22.2013 - 10:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, that's why I added that note regarding Tony Stewart "assuming changes are made", because he's not going to get in the top 10 or even the top 15 in points the way things are now. The races that might catapult Stewart are the two road course events, as well as the restrictor plate events, particularly the Firecracker 400, which he's won four of the last eight years. Wins two of those four events alone might catapult him into the Chase because he'll be in the top 20, even if he keeps running the way he has been. But with drivers like Jeff Gordon, Kevin Harvick, Joey Logano (the last two races not withstanding), and possibly even Denny Hamlin if he gets hot upon his return back there, two wins may not be enough this year considering the drivers south of 10th place in points. 427. Bronco posted: 04.22.2013 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Speaking of which, as far as I'm aware, Dave Blaney is the only active driver to have a top five finish with four different manufacturers (Ford at Darlington '03, Dodge at Richmond '06, Toyota at Talladega '07, Chevrolet at Talladega '11)." I believe Bobby Labonte and Kasey Kahne have also done that. In fact Labonte has done it five manufacturers since he used to race Pontiacs as well. 428. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, I forgot about Labonte and Kahne, mostly because I forget that they both drove Fords in recent years. In fact, if you count Kahne's win in the 2010 Gatorade Duel race, he's the only active driver to have won a Cup race with four different manufacturers. Ah what the heck, I'll just post a guide of how many different manufacturers that each active Cup driver has won for. Three manufacturers: - Kasey Kahne (Dodge, Toyota, Chevrolet) - Terry Labonte (Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Ford) - Jamie McMurray (Dodge, Ford, Chevrolet) [6 wins with 3 manufacturers] - Ryan Newman (Ford, Dodge, Chevrolet) - Tony Stewart (Pontiac, Chevrolet, Toyota*) Two manufacturers: - Clint Bowyer (Chevrolet, Toyota) - Jeff Burton (Ford, Chevrolet) - Kurt Busch (Ford, Dodge) - Kyle Busch (Chevrolet, Toyota) - Denny Hamlin (Chevrolet, Toyota) - Matt Kenseth (Ford, Toyota) - Brad Keselowski (Chevrolet, Dodge) - Bobby Labonte (Pontiac, Chevrolet) - Mark Martin (Ford, Chevrolet) - Brian Vickers (Chevrolet, Toyota) One manufacturer: - Marcos Ambrose (Ford) - Trevor Bayne (Ford) - Greg Biffle (Ford) - Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (Chevrolet) - Carl Edwards (Ford) - Jeff Gordon (Chevrolet) - Jimmie Johnson (Chevrolet) - Kevin Harvick (Chevrolet) - Casey Mears (Chevrolet) - Paul Menard (Chevrolet) - Joe Nemechek (Chevrolet) - Juan Pablo Montoya (Dodge) - David Ragan (Ford) - David Reutimann (Toyota) - Elliott Sadler (Ford) - Ken Schrader (Chevrolet) - Regan Smith (Chevrolet) - Martin Truex, Jr. (Chevrolet) - Michael Waltrip (Chevrolet) 429. Peter posted: 04.22.2013 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) David Gilliland is my new favorite person in NASCAR; he actually had the balls to say what everyone was thinking 430. Eric posted: 04.22.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, The odds are slimmer for Stewart than You mentioned. I wouldn't rule out Matt Kenseth winning at Daytona for the summer. Matt has plate tracks figured out and had the best car for the 500. JGR for the first 8 races of the year could have won 6 out of 8 races in the season instead of 4. The fact is Matt had the best Car for the 500 and no one was going to beat him if his car didn't have problems and Matt had the Car to beat at Bristol also. If Denny becomes healthy, JGR becomes even tougher to beat. The type of Equipment JGR has this year, Denny would be favorite for Pocono if Denny is healthy. The places to beat JGR at without Pit strategy before the chase is plate tracks, Road Courses, Indy, and possible some one mile tracks. 431. Eric posted: 04.22.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) cjs3872, I didn't mention the mile and half tracks for other drivers to win without pit strategy for a reason. Matt Kenseth is one the best at mile and a half tracks and JGR has better equipment than Roush had when Matt was there. Denny and Kyle can get the job done at some mile and half track also. I didn't mention Michigan for a reason. Hamlin, Kyle, and Matt all won here before and the engines are strong enough to win here if Pit strategy doesn't come to play. I also didn't mention Darlington for a reason. Kyle and Denny has won here. Matt has been good here at times at Roush. The thing is JGR is better than Roush for driver tracks since 2008 as a whole and that means Matt could even pull of a win here. I am saying Matt could pull of a win at Darlington because Matt lead more laps at Martinsville with JGR than he did at Roush. That means Matt is better at some tracks than it appears because Roush Equipment was the issue. 432. cjs3872 posted: 04.22.2013 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, the reason I cited the plate races and the road course events giving Stewart a chance is because he's so good at the road course events that he can certainly win one of them, and anything can happen in a plate race. Remember that Stewart passed Kenseth on the final lap to win the Firecracker 400 last year, and Kenseth had a superior car then. That's why I give Stewart a chance in those four races, no matter how bad he's running everywhre else. But the field behind tenth in points is so stacked that two wins might not get the Wild Card this year. And also, one thing that people tend to forget about this past weekend's race as it revolves around Kenseth is that, the way it was going, he was going to win anyway, even if that debris caution didn't come out just after some of the leaders had stopped, because he was in position to make his upcoming pit stop his last pit stop, and those that were in front of him or around him (Stenhouse, Truex, Dale, Jr., Edwards) were all going to have to make an extra pit stop with 10 laps of the finish, so Kenseth had it won either way, whether that caution came out or not. That caution just made for a competitive finish, and while Kasey Kahne might have had a better car at the end, like I said on the Vegas page, Kahne would never have passed Kenseth because he seemingly can't win a race from behind, and Kenseth would have made it ore difficult for Kahne to pass him. 433. Daniel posted: 04.22.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 43 entered at Richmond: -A.J. Allmendinger in the #51 -Brian Keselowski in the #52 434. 83andJoe posted: 04.22.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also Timmy Hill returns in the #32 and Vickers is currently listed in the #11. As there's only 43 cars entered, it looks promising for Brian K to make his first race since the 2011 Daytona 500. 435. jabber1990 posted: 04.22.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) who's won multiple championships with multiple manufacturers? multiple owners? and when did Bobby drive a ford? 436. 83andJoe posted: 04.22.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >and when did Bobby drive a ford? In 2009 for Hall of Fame Racing. 437. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And don't forget that Labonte also drove Fords for Bill Davis way back in 1993. Davis switched the Pontiacs the next season, which began Labonte's nine-year stint with that manufacturer. 438. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.22.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anniversary time! On this day 23 years ago, I went to my first race as Dad took his 6 year old boy to North Wilkesboro for the Winston Cup First Union 400 beginning an obsession that hasn't ended. Also Brett Bodine got his only Cup "win" now lets never speak of that again 439. Eric posted: 04.22.2013 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, I tried to tell you that the amount of wins back of tenth place will be very tough to get due to Gibbs this year. After Race 26 of the season, JGR is at a pace to win 12 to 18 races before the chase starts. The 2nd thing is I didn't forgot about Stewart about Road Course Events, but the true is Ambrose is the bigger threat now to win those two tracks for the last few years. 440. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Qualifying at Sonoma and Watkins Glen will be Formula One-esque this year with five or six cars going out and qualifying in groups, based on practice speeds, with the slowest cars going out first and the fastest cars going out last. Each driver will have three qualifying laps, with their best lap being their official qualifying time. This is a good start, but I'd like to see a true adaptation of Formula One's qualifying procedure for the road courses in the future. 441. Eric posted: 04.22.2013 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, Here is my summary on why JGR will win 12 to 18 cup in the first 26 races. JGR already has won 3 one and half mile tracks and I see that turning in 5 or 6 1 and a half mile truck wins. Matt is a legit threat at Charlotte and the equipment is there to pull a 600 mile race. JGR already has 1 two mile track win at Auto Club, but it would be turn to 3 two mile track wins. Denny, Kyle, and Matt each won at the track. Denny Hamlin is going to be healthy for Pocono and the fact is he's the favorite at Pocono if Healthy. The equipment and the horsepower appears to great also. That means a 2 Pocono Sweep for Hamlin. Richmond could a sweep. JGR has owned the track with Denny and Kyle for the last few years. Bristol is very likely for a win for JGR. Hamlin, Kyle and Matt have won there before. Matt matter of fact had the best car when Jeff Gordon blew his tire and crash into Matt. Dover has a very good chance of a JGR win. Matt has won there two time at Roush. Kyle also is very good at Dover also win two wins. JGR has a good chance of winning a plate race before the chase. Matt is one of the best at plate racing and Kyle has a true drafting partner now. JGR has a chance to win at Loudon due to Denny Hamlin. Hamlin should be healthy by July. 442. cjs3872 posted: 04.22.2013 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And add Hendrick's two main guys, Johnson and Kahne to that list of guys it might be tough to get through to win races, Eric. But you look at the roster of JGR and HMS, and there are chances for others to win races. First, Johnson is going to be spotty for the nxt 2-3 months because he's virtualy assured of a spot in the Chase with two wins, combined with a full race lead in the points, and Kenseth has a virtual lock for that very reason (2 wins), though he's slightly lower in points. I also think Kyle Busch should be a lock for the same reason. Of the eight races so far this year, those three have won six of them, each of those three drivers winning twice. The real question mark here is Denny Hamlin. He could take away wins from those needing them, even if he can't get in the top 20 himself when he returns. But there may be more opportunities for those lower in the standings to get wins because there are going to be races where the 5, 18, 20, and 48 teams may not be running well in due to their experimenting. That will give other teams chances to win those races, which in turn will help their Chase chances. Now whether Jeff Gordon or Dale, Jr. will win is still a bit iffy, though I think Dale, Jr. has a better chance than Jeff does because he's more competitive at more places. I think the Penske cars, especially the #2 of Brad Keselowski, will win some races, as will the #15 of Clint Bowyer, and I don't think we've seen the last of Carl Edwards in victory lane for Roush, either. But I do think that we may see guys like Kevin Harvick, Tony Stewart, and even Jamie McMurray contend in June, July, and August when the top guys are experimenting, and thus not running up front every week. And while I agree that Marcos Ambrose is a bigger threat at Watkins Glen, I think Stewart can steal one at Sonoma. That being said, it may take three wins for one of those currently outside the top 15, like Stewart, to get a Wild Card berth if he can't get into the top 10, and he and his team seem incapable of that now, but things can change. 443. Eric posted: 04.22.2013 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I fogot about my summery with Darlington since Darlington is a possible of a JGR win. Kyle and Denny have won before and Roush hasn't been known for some types of driver tracks for a while. I admit A cup organization winning 12 to 18 races in 26 races doesn't sound realistic, but the fact is JGR already has 4 cup wins and almost got another 2 cup wins if wasn't for a Crash at Bristol with Jeff's tire going done and collecting Matt and Matt blowing an engine. The fact is JGR seems to be over with their engine problems and engines have fast out of TDR for GJR. If Denny is healthy when he comes back, he will give JGR an element that JGR doesn't have in Kyle or Matt. Denny is one of the best Pocono drivers of all time. Denny is a great all round short track driver that is capable of winning at mile and half tracks. Matt Kenseth is getting equipment he hasn't had week in and week out in a long time and still in his prime. Roush gives top 10 equipment, JGR gives out top 5 to winning equipment. Matt is the type of a driver that gets the most out of car and that means Matt in top 5 equipment week in and week out means a bunch of wins. Matt is the best mile and half driver of the 3 JGR has. Kyle Busch for the first 26 races is at his best. This year seems to be similar to 2008 for Kyle for the first 26 races so far and that means a bunch wins. The only difference is Kyle know can close races at some mile and half tracks easier than the past based on him finally winning at Texas. 444. 18fan posted: 04.22.2013 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Based on the last two years Kyle and Brad will be the guys to beat at Watkins Glen along with Ambrose. The last two races those two have proven to be a match for Ambrose at Watkins Glen. Stewart has won much more at Watkins Glen than he has at Sonoma. The guy I'm looking at to be the favorite at Sonoma is Kurt Busch. 445. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Based on the last two years Kyle and Brad will be the guys to beat at Watkins Glen along with Ambrose." Those three have combined to lead 150 of the 182 combined laps in the past two Watkins Glen races, including a staggering 88 out of 90 laps in the 2012 race. Both times Kyle led over 40 laps, but Ambrose and Brad wound up with the 1-2 finish. For any gamblers out there, those three would be your safest bets, but especially Kyle and Ambrose due to the fact that Kyle was the class of the field in the last two races at The Glen, but Ambrose ended up on top in the end due to circumstances (late restart and the race ending under caution in 2011, and Kyle's freak last lap accident in 2012). "Stewart has won much more at Watkins Glen than he has at Sonoma." Stewart has only one road course top ten finish since 2010, and that was his "smoke and mirrors" runner-up finish at Sonoma last year. Given the fact that he's a lot slower this year than he was last year (and by Sonoma last year, his team was no longer a top five team), I don't think he stands much of a chance at winning unless either his team suddenly gets hot mid-season, or he brings out the "Tony Stewart from the last 10 races of 2011" and just goes out and destroys the competition in spite of his team's flaws. But I doubt either will happen, especially with Steve Addington atop the pit box, so I think two road course top tens for Smoke this season would be a great accomplishment. "The guy I'm looking at to be the favorite at Sonoma is Kurt Busch." He drove a flawless race in 2011 en route to a dominating victory (the most dominant Sonoma victory since Jeff Gordon in 2004), and drove the race of his life last year before he made some incidental contact with one of those stacked tires in turn 11, which caused his rear end to come out of whack with the rest of the car's alignment. If nothing happens to his car like it has the past few races that knocks him out of contention, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he runs in the top five all race, possibly even having a shot at the win. He would have won last year if he had better equipment, and while FRR isn't that much better than Phoenix Racing, it's certainly a step-up. 446. Bronco posted: 04.22.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "- Juan Pablo Montoya (Dodge)" JPM also won Watkins Glen in 2010 driving a Chevy. 447. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks for the correction, Bronco. I was actually just thinking of Montoya's win at Watkins Glen in 2010 and how dominant of a win that was (leading 74 of 90 laps) when I wrote my post #445. Old habits must have caused me to think he was still in a Dodge that season, considering Ganassi's and Target's past history with Dodge in NASCAR. 448. Eric posted: 04.22.2013 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While Montoya won both road courses, I sure wouldn't put him as a favorite. I really question if he really has his heart in Stock Car racing. Jaimie is doing way better than Montoya is this year. 449. Paul posted: 04.22.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If there's one track that Montoya might contend at this season, it's Watkins Glen. He had a solid run going last year, winning the pole, leading a lap, and running 2nd for the first 1/3 of the race before the car finally broke down on him after he had pushed it a little too far. I can definitely see him having a good run there, and possibly Sonoma, if his heart is in the right place for those two races. 450. Bronco posted: 04.22.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya's career went downhill ever since Brian Pattie (the same crew chief who won 3 races last year) was let go as crew chief. Montoya's career was at its best in 2009 he made the chase and finished 8th in points, and in 2010 when he had very fast cars but had a ton of DNFs and didn't make the chase. Since then, it's been over two years since his last top 5 finish (Martinsville, April 2011) and almost a year since his last top 10 (Michigan, June 2012). He's gotten so bad that he's behind the #10 car in points. Montoya is far too talented in a stock car (and he's proven it before) to be floundering where he is in points. 451. 18fan posted: 04.23.2013 - 2:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This scenario was the exact same as Vegas except this time Kenseth had dominated the race while Kahne had dominated at Vegas. Has anybody else realized how quickly Larry McReynolds seems to jump on any crew chief who gambles this year? 452. 18fan posted: 04.23.2013 - 3:08 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Also, I just watched the end of the Fontana race multiple times and it is amazing how much better and more professional MRN is, presenting the race as a race instead of hoping for a feud, which it seems like FOX is always dying for. They still are waiting for Tony to retaliate against Logano. 453. Cornys posted: 04.23.2013 - 8:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) TV ratings have been up this year, and I must say that the racing has been better thanks to the Gen-6 car. There's still room for improvement, but there has been a good bit of it from the Gen-5 car. We'll see what happens as the year goes on. Nice to see the one lap crap gone from the road course qualifying. I don't want to see F1 style qualifying though. The 3 lap method is just fine with me :) 454. jabber1990 posted: 04.23.2013 - 8:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) my fear with Hamlin is will he act like a "4th" car when he returns? I mean he's probably unable to make the chase and the other 2 are fine so will he be treated as a "4th" car? he'll be able to get away with it because well, we know what happened this year 455. jabber1990 posted: 04.23.2013 - 9:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) all those racing-fictionals and stuff I wrote, for the one race they ran on the city course they used a practice/qualifying type thing, they were given such a limited time to work that they combined practice with qualifying, all the cars went out at the same time (like in practice) and they would run so many laps, the pull into the pits/garage and adjust and stuff, fasted in the run would of course be on the pole but the problem was they would run both the Top Division cars and the Wrangler Teen Series cars at the same time, so it would be a Grand-Am style thing during qualifying, it would sometimes affect thinigs 456. Richie61NYfan posted: 04.23.2013 - 10:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Richmond, Feb27, 1977. At the tender age of 39,Janet Guthrie,driving the Kelly Girl chevrolet started 13th and finished 12th. Can the Princess better this finish ? The race was won by Cale Yarborough in the Holly Farms chevy. 457. Paul posted: 04.23.2013 - 11:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This article is a week old, but according to David Smith, Jeff Burton may be out of a ride at RCR by the end of this season, if not before the season's end. His PEER rating was ranked 38th out of 38 eligible drivers, plus he had the second-highest crash frequency in the series at 0.57, making his season relevance 42.86. If you haven't figured it out by now, RCR's entire existence at this point is based on relevance, due to the team's conservative racing style. Paul Menard is one of two drivers with a 100% relevance rating, while Kevin Harvick has ranked in the top two in relevance in each of the past three seasons. While Burton isn't technically a free agent after this season, RCR does hold an option over him, by which they may enforce in order to release him regardless of his free agent status. It's unclear when that option expires, but if it's in the middle of the season and Burton hasn't picked up the results by then, don't be surprised if RCR were to release Burton during the season, knowing that they cannot release him after the contract option date has passed without paying Burton a lot of money for his release. I hate seeing one of the top drivers from when I started watching go downhill like this, especially after we've already seen Bobby Labonte's career start going down the tubes a few years ago, but I'm afraid that this will be Jeff Burton's final season in competitive equipment, unless of course he picks up the results ASAP. 458. Scott B posted: 04.23.2013 - 11:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #435 "who's won multiple championships with multiple manufacturers? multiple owners?" Tony Stewart is the only active, full-time driver to do it. He won championships for Gibbs in a Pontiac, Gibbs in a Chevy, and Stewart-Haas in a Chevy. Terry Labonte won the championship with owner Billy Hagan in a Chevy and the 1996 one with Hendrick, also driving a Chevy. Cale Yarborough's 3 consecutive championships all came with Junior Johnson as owner. The 1976 & 1977 ones were in Chevrolets, 1978 in Oldsmobiles. Darrell Waltrip's back to back championships were both with Junior Johnson. In 1981 he started with a Chevy in the Daytona 500 then used Buicks the rest of the season. 1982 was all Buicks. Richard Petty's 7 championships were all with Petty Enterprises. 1964, 1967 and 1971 were in Plymouths, 1972 was a combination of Plymouths and Dodges. 1974 and 1975 were all-Dodge seasons. The final championship in 1979 was a combination of Chevy and Olds starts. David Pearson's 3 championships came with two different owners. 1966 with Cotton Owens for Dodge, and 1968 and 1969 for Holman-Moody with Fords. Ned Jarrett won his first championship in 1961 driving the first two races for himself in a Ford, and the rest of the season for B.G. Holloway in Fords and Chevys. His 1965 championship was driving mostly for Bondy Long in Fords, but he did make one start at Nashville in a Ford fielded by Jabe Thomas. Joe Weatherly's 1962 and 1963 championships were mainly driving for Bud Moore, but he used other rides to fill in the open spots on his schedule. In 1963, he drove for 9 different teams on his way to the championship, and for 5 different manufacturers (Pontiac, Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge, and Mercury). I'm pretty sure that record is safe for a long time. Going back farther, the records are similarly convoluted due to the frequent ride swapping. Driving for more than one team & manufacturer per season was the rule rather than the exception in that era. 459. David posted: 04.23.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This article is a week old, but according to David Smith, Jeff Burton may be out of a ride at RCR by the end of this season" I'm glad you brought this up, Paul. Burton has been on a gradual decline ever since 2008, when he scored a 1.958 PEER. He has since racked up ratings of 1.556, 0.931, 0.486, and 0.361. Sadly, it appears he has nothing left in the tank. David Smith's PEER forecast formula projects him for a slight increase (0.769) this year, though. "His PEER rating was ranked 38th out of 38 eligible drivers, plus he had the second-highest crash frequency in the series at 0.57, making his season relevance 42.86." Burton's PEER (-0.063) currently stands 36th out of 38 eligible drivers (drivers who have run at least seven races), ahead of (gasp!) Dave Blaney (-0.125) and Bobby Labonte (-0.357). His crash frequency (I'm surprised you mentioned this, considering your criticisms of it in the past) stands at 0.50, tied for third-highest in the series, with a terminal crash frequency of 0.13. And his relevance is 50.00%, even though that's actually more of a team statistic. "I hate seeing one of the top drivers from when I started watching go downhill like this, especially after we've already seen Bobby Labonte's career start going down the tubes a few years ago" Speaking of Labonte, he's been replacement-level since 2005. 460. Paul posted: 04.23.2013 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) By the way, I think we have adequately nicknamed both Kyle Larson and Alex Bowman based on their respective PEER ratings and crash frequencies for this season. "The Next Big Thing" Kyle Larson, who is officially the media's favorite up-and-coming driver, has a PEER of 1.833 and a crash frequency of 1.000 (he crashes one time per race). Meanwhile, "The Real Deal" Alex Bowman has quietly earned a staggering 2.667 PEER rating, with a crash frequency of 0.33 (he crashes once every three races). Larson's ratings are impressive given his lack of stock car experience and so he should only improve on this in the coming years (unless he turns out to be a bust), meaning he very well could be "The Next Big Thing" (just not "The Current Big Thing"), but Bowman's numbers just flat-out trump Larson's, meaning that he is in fact "The Real Deal." This is sort of like that debate that sports teams have when deciding which players they wish to draft. That debate is known as "The Finished Product" vs. "The Upside." Do teams want a driver who is great right now (Bowman), or do teams want a driver who could potentially become greater (Larson)? The media isn't playing up this "quiet rivalry," but this may be the most intriguing "rivalry" in NASCAR right now, which is "Which young stud is better: Alex Bowman or Kyle Larson?" Forget all this Danica/whomever gets in her way nonsense and the Logano/Hamlin/Stewart love triangle crap. The real rivalry I want to see is "Alex Bowman vs. Kyle Larson." One young stud against another young stud. Rookie vs. Rookie. The quiet driver vs. the flashy driver. The under-the-radar driver vs. the media favorite. "The Finished Product vs. "The Upside." "The Real Deal" vs. "The Next Big Thing." That's what I want to see; just two young drivers racing on the race track, not necessarily against each other, but looking at their similarities and their differences and how they sort of intermingle with each other, I think they at least will give us something to look forward to and watch every Saturday/Friday night in the Nationwide Series and witness two possible future champions go head-to-head with one another very early in their careers. I'll be looking forward to seeing how well they do at Richmond this upcoming Friday night. Right now the score is "Bowman: 3, Larson: 3." Both drivers have 1 top five and 2 top tens, with Bowman also having one pole, and are currently in the top 11 in points. This is one Rookie of the Year battle that I am highly interested in, and one where both drivers could end up winning national NASCAR championships one day as well. If I was ESPN, I would proclaim this battle to be "history," but I'm not ESPN, and so I'm just going to watch and enjoy what I'm seeing, hoping both drivers will succeed in NASCAR as the years go by. 461. David posted: 04.23.2013 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The final championship in 1979 was a combination of Chevy and Olds starts." Petty raced an Oldsmobile at both Daytona and Talladega races, and the first Atlanta, Bristol, and Dover races. All the other races were run with Chevrolets. 462. David posted: 04.23.2013 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'll be looking forward to seeing how well they do at Richmond this upcoming Friday night. Right now the score is "Bowman: 3, Larson: 3." Both drivers have 1 top five and 2 top tens, with Bowman also having one pole, and are currently in the top 11 in points. This is one Rookie of the Year battle that I am highly interested in, and one where both drivers could end up winning national NASCAR championships one day as well." Bowman leads the ROTY standings, 68-66. 463. Paul posted: 04.23.2013 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "His crash frequency (I'm surprised you mentioned this, considering your criticisms of it in the past)" My only real criticism of it is that it doesn't explain whose fault it was for the crash. While he was going over the over- and under-performers in the Truck Series so far, he mentioned how Todd Bodine has been involved in 17 crashes in his last 20 starts (since his win at Dover), but also mentioned how none of them have been his fault, yet he was the common denominator in each of his crashes. Crash frequency doesn't tell the whole story as to whose fault it was for the crash, but it does tell you how frequently they have crashed, which can serve sort of as an asterisk for their low PEER rating in a way. By the way, Ron Hornaday is currently at the top of the over-performers list, with a 3.750 PEER and an average two-position pickup over the last 10 percent of races. So much for his retirement that a few of you guys were calling for after the incident at Rockingham. 464. Paul posted: 04.23.2013 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Bowman leads the ROTY standings, 68-66." I forgot about that. But does the media report on that? Hell no, because it doesn't look good for their latest cash cow Kyle Larson. I'm not knocking Larson for being a media favorite (I'd rather knock him for being an overly-aggressive, and at times stupid race car driver), but I don't think it's a coincidence that Larson has been getting a lot of coverage while Bowman hasn't been getting hardly any, sort of like how Danica was getting a lot of coverage last year in comparison to Johanna Long. If the media doesn't talk about one driver with similar traits, but better results than their cash cow (Danica and Johanna are both females, Larson and Bowman are both rookies), then hopefully the casual fans won't notice that our favorite really isn't the best driver in their category. I think that's the mindset that goes into their agenda that they keep pushing onto us. 465. Paul posted: 04.23.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) - Tony Stewart: 3-time champion driver with a 0.625 PEER rating (ranked 22nd) - Michael McDowell: Start-and-park driver with a 0.786 PEER rating (ranked 20th) That might be the saddest stat comparison I've ever seen. On a more positive note, while his results may not show it, Landon Cassill is one of the better passers in Sprint Cup right now, with a 51.77 percent passing efficiency and has had a 59+ percent passing efficiency in three of his first six starts (going into the Kansas race). Also, he has a pass differential of +22. Circle Sport made a solid hiring by signing Landon Cassill prior to the season's second race, and I hope other teams take notice because if Cassill can pass other cars in Joe Falk's backmarkers, I can only imagine that he would do the same in much better equipment. I hear EGR and/or RCR could have an opening for next season...Just saying. 466. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.23.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @464: Exactly! Glad to see the love for Bowman here. 467. cjs3872 posted: 04.23.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scott B (#458), I think you're thinking of the race at Riverside in 1981 when Darrell Waltrip opened the season driving a Chevrolet for Junior Johnson. remember that the season opener was at Riverside that year. Also remember that the teams were allowed to run the older cars for that one race in 1981, though they did not have to, and that race saw the longer wheelbase cars run against the shorter wheelbase cars for the only time that season, as the shorter wheelbase cars became mandatory for the 1981 Daytona 500. And also, Darrell Waltrip ran a Buick in that year's Daytona 500. David Pearson drove the only Chevrolet to make the Daytona 500 in either 1981 or 1982 when he qualified for the 1981 Daytona 500 in one. He even contended in that race before dropping out. No Chevrolets were in the 1982 race. 468. Scott B posted: 04.23.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS, you are correct. I forgot Riverside was still the season opener that year, I was thinking that practice was discontinued earlier for some reason. That was also the first race after one of the most outrageous "silly seasons" in history, lots of top drivers made their first start with new teams, as well as the mix of new and old cars, and you still had many road racing ringers in the field, plus Winston West guys... interesting mix. 469. Eric posted: 04.23.2013 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, I really don't think RCR could have an opening next year unless you mean furniture row racing. I am saying that Because Kevin is taking the 29 sponsors to Stewart-Haas and that means the 29 would be sponsor less. Jeff Burton is likely to be gone, but I see Kurt taking the 31 ride. The best ride Landon could get is the 78 car. Landon Cassill isn't likely for the EGR even if there is opening there. The problem is Landon's age if Chip is still the owner next year at EGR. The fact is I don't see Chip giving up on Kyle Larson at this time and wouldn't make sense for them to sign Ryan Newman either. 470. cjs3872 posted: 04.23.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes Scott B, the Daytona 500 didn't become the season-opening race until 1982. Riverside opened the season every year from 1970-'81. Prior to that, the season actually began at the end of the previous calendar year for a number of years. And by the way, because of the demise of the Ontario Motor Speedway, there were three races run at Riverside in 1981, the only time in NASCAR's modern-era that one track hosted three races in the same season. The season-opener was there in 1981, a race in the middle of the season was run there, and the season finale was held there. From 1982-'87 (I believe), the season finale was at Riverside with the opener now at Daytona and a race at Riverside in the middle of the season. I believe what having the season-opener at Riverside did was to allow the teams to have a race working with each other to prepare for SpeedWeeks, along with getting the mechanical kinks out. Attrition for the Daytona 500 was much higher from 1982-'85 than it was from 1978-'81 (except for 1979 due to the high number of wrecked cars), largely for this reason. 471. Anonymous posted: 04.23.2013 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Joey Logano laps led 20/car 4 years -337 Matt Kenseth laps led 20/car 8 races -482 472. David posted: 04.23.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, did you subscribe to Motorsports Analytics? I ask because all of a sudden you are posting stats from that site. 473. Paul posted: 04.23.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've been subscribed since last June. I normally don't have to post anything because you usually do that for me. 474. JG24FanForever posted: 04.23.2013 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 10th career 30+ positions gained in a race for JG. 475. David posted: 04.23.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've been subscribed since last June. I normally don't have to post anything because you usually do that for me." Tee hee hee. I thought you just read his tweets. Anyway, I'm glad you subscribed. David Smith really offers an objective, unbiased view of motorsports through his use and analysis of advanced statistics. I've been a subscriber since April/May of last year. I'm glad he's not just another hack writer in the media with ridiculous "ratings". 476. Paul posted: 04.23.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm glad he's not just another hack writer in the media with ridiculous "ratings"." Same here. His rating system actually makes sense and gives you a good indication of which drivers are actually producing on-track, regardless of their equipment strength. I'm not a big stats guy, but I am a big "behind the stats" guy, if that makes any sense. For example: Elliott Sadler currently sits 7th in Nationwide points with 2 top fives and 3 top tens. Meanwhile, Alex Bowman sits one spot behind Elliott in points by just two points with one fewer top five and top ten. So who has had the better season so far? The stat sheet would tell you that Elliott Sadler has had the better season since he has more top fives, top tens, laps led, and average finish. But if you compare the two drivers' experience, equipment strength, and look at how close they are in points, it's obvious that Bowman has had the better season considering the big difference in NASCAR experience between the two, as well as Sadler being in Cup equipment with TRD engines (and his teammate winning four of the first six races), while Bowman is in Nationwide-only equipment with Triad engines. While that should be proof enough, the PEER rating system gives you a pretty accurate idea using analytics as to how each of them has performed thus far. Right now Bowman is ranked 5th in Nationwide PEER with a 2.667 PEER rating, meaning he would be a "fringe title contender" in equal equipment. Sadler on the other hand is tied for 10th in Nationwide PEER (with former teammate Austin Dillon) with a 1.583 PEER rating, making him a "serviceable" driver. And what makes Bowman's PEER rating even more impressive is his equal relevance (83.33%), his lower top 15 efficiency (+9.4% to +11.2%) and his higher crash frequency (0.33 to 0.17) in comparison to Elliott Sadler. So Bowman is a little more aggressive and a little more wreck prone than Sadler, and yet his PEER rating is over a full point higher. The fact that he's a rookie, has at times raced like a rookie, and yet is getting better results given his equipment strength than the series runner-up for the past two seasons speaks volumes. In conclusion: Elliott Sadler has slightly better numbers, but Alex Bowman is far more impressive given the various circumstances that differentiate the two, including age, experience, driving style, and equipment strength. So when you look at the numbers, you think Elliott Sadler has had the better year so far. But if you look "behind the numbers," you think Alex Bowman has had the better year so far. And I happen to think that the latter is in fact true. 477. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 1:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David Smith really offers an objective, unbiased view of motorsports" I like the fact that he doesn't let his personal opinions of drivers dictate how he writes about them or rates them. Instead, he lets their numbers do the talking and simply writes about them using numbers. I get the feeling that he's pretty big on James Buescher, Ryan Blaney, and Alex Bowman based on his tweets and articles written about them recently; not necessarily that he's rooting for them as a fan of theirs per se, but rather as a racing fan who sees them for what they're worth and enjoys seeing what they can do on the track. That's what I like to see. No bias, just facts and numbers. The only drivers who he's ever hinted (to my knowledge) to being a fan of are Curtis Turner and Junior Johnson, and that's only because the two of them racing side-by-side in the 1960 Daytona 500 is the background he uses on his Twitter page. Other than that, I have no idea who he might be a fan of. 478. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 9:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The only drivers who he's ever hinted (to my knowledge) to being a fan of are Curtis Turner and Junior Johnson, and that's only because the two of them racing side-by-side in the 1960 Daytona 500 is the background he uses on his Twitter page." That's just an ad for Junior Johnson's Midnight Moon. "So Bowman is a little more aggressive and a little more wreck prone than Sadler" Slightly more aggressive, but still a very patient driver overall. "I get the feeling that he's pretty big on James Buescher, Ryan Blaney, and Alex Bowman based on his tweets and articles written about them recently; not necessarily that he's rooting for them as a fan of theirs per se, but rather as a racing fan who sees them for what they're worth and enjoys seeing what they can do on the track. That's what I like to see." When it comes to crew chiefs, though, he is a HUGE fan of Luke Lambert. Not that you haven't noticed that. 479. Anonymous posted: 04.24.2013 - 10:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As much as I think Denny Hamlin is an annoying whiner, I wish he would miss 5 races and then sneak into the top 20 in standings with 3 wins and backdoor into the chase just to prove how flawed the current system is. 480. cjs3872 posted: 04.24.2013 - 10:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, it looks like the #20 team of Matt Kenseth could be in BIG trouble, because it appears that their engine failed the inspection at the R&D Center, and based on the results, we may also know what was behind a number the Toyota engine failures eariler this year. Remember the suspicions that me and a number of others had about the Toyotas running lightweight parts in their engines? Well, it turns out that Kenseth's winning engine had a connecting rod that did not meet weight specifications, as that rod in question was too light. That may answer some questions about the horsepower of the Toyota engines, as well as their durability problems eariler in the year. As ew know, the engine is something you don't mess with, in terms of getting around the rules, because if caught, that's where the biggest penalties are assessed. One thing's for sure. We've just heard the beginning of this. Remember that all four of the JGR wins so far this season have occurred on speedways (Kenseth at Vegas and Kansas and Kyle Busch at California and Texas), and now we may know why they seem to have this kind of an advantage. And if it's true, it's certainly outside of what JGR has historically done as far as pushing the rules goes, as they've usually been one of the more conservative teams in this regard. 481. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The article mentioned the JGR uses TRD engines, so while Gibbs would get penalized the cheating lies in TRD. 482. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of penalties, the #98 Truck Series team has been penalized for their fuel cell violation at Kansas. The team has been docked 25 driver and owner points, which means that Johnny Sauter falls from 1st to tied for 2nd in the point standings, and crew chief Joel Shear has been fined $10,000 and suspended for the next four Truck Series races (two months). This means that teammate Matt Crafton is now the points leader in that series by 13 points over both Sauter and Jeb Burton. This is the first time that Crafton has held the points lead since Dover in May 2011. 483. Scott B posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if Martin Truex, Jr. feels better about that 2nd place finish in Texas, now... 'cause if he won, and was running the same TRD engine package, it would be the #56 team taking the fall instead of the #20. 484. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "cause if he won, and was running the same TRD engine package, it would be the #56 team taking the fall instead of the #20." Actually, they inspect both the first- and second-place finishers after the race, and one random car. 485. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I take that back. Only the race-winning engine is sent to R&D. 486. Anonymous posted: 04.24.2013 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Sporting News / Bob Pockrass: "NASCAR typically takes the winning car and a random car for further inspection at its Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. It also takes the engine of the second-place car. Kenseth won the STP 400 at Kansas Speedway, with Kahne finishing second.Labonte's car and engine and Kahne's engine have passed tech, according to sources familiar with those cars." 487. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So I WAS right. 488. cjs3872 posted: 04.24.2013 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scott B, the #18 car won that race at Texas, not the #20. And anyways, since there was no news coming from the R&D inspections after the Texas race, all those that were thoroughly inspected were deemed to be legal. And NicoRosbergFan, JGR would be caught in whatever TRG was doing, but they (JGR) are responsible for whatever they put in and on their own cars. But it's been fairly common knowledge that Toyota uses lightweight engine parts and has for quite some time. That's the reason their engines fail more often the engines of the other makes. A part made of lightweight material can go faster than a material of a heavier weight. For instance, it can spin faster, thus creating a greater amount RPMs and more horsepower. The downside to that is that it's more fragile because of it's lighter weight, hence the greater frequency of failures. And Gibbs has been having engine problems for two or three years, so it's not a sudden problem. 489. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 04.24.2013 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Kenseth has been penalized 50 points. Ouch. 490. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.24.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Non racing topic: interesting vote coming up for the cover of the next Madden video game cover.it is between Adrian Peterson and Barry Sanders. Both have spent careers for NFC North/Central stalwarts on teams where it was pretty much them and 51 other guys. As a kid I would watch Lions games just to watch Barry run. I do the same thing for the Vikes nowadays. Barry carried some pretty lousy Lions team into the playoffs that had no business being there like All Day did last year. I'm sure Barry will get it because he is a legend and AD won't reach that distinction for another 2 or 3 years. But it is interesting comparing the two. I just hope, unlike Barry, All Day can wind up like another NFC rusher who played on crappy teams forever, Walter Peyton, and be on a good team and get a ring by the end of nis career. I hoppe he doesn't end up like other great RB's who never got it like Barry, Gale Sayers, Erik Dickerson (he has been an asshole towards AD as he chased his record last year, but he was still really good), and OJ Simpson (hard to feel sorry for him, but he was one of the best RBs ever. 491. AveryNH posted: 04.24.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Continuing off topic, I find Peterson's accomplishments last year even more astounding given that the NFL is now all about Quarterbacks. In a few years he'll easily reach Barry's level if not surpass it. Back to the #20 car and its penalties, 50 championship points, and the loss of their crew chief for 6 races, and a $200,000 fine. However I'd be very surprised to see Gibbs appeal this. 492. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, NASCAR really threw the book at the #20 team. Not only were they penalized 50 points and Jason Ratcliff fined and suspended, but the pole won't count toward next year's Sprint Unlimited, and the win won't count toward Chase seed points or Wild Card eligibility. 493. cjs3872 posted: 04.24.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From what I've heard AveryNH, Gibbs has already decided to file an appeal. In addition to the penalties you mentioned is the fact that Kenseth loses credit for his pole position in terms of eligibility for the Shootout next year and loses credit for the win as it pertains to the Wild Card and bonis points for the chase. That means that he technically has only one win for Wild Card positioning should he need it (I suspect he won't), as well as the loss of the three bonus points the Kansas win would have gotten him if he ends up in the top ten. In addition, Joe Gibbs lost his owner's license for the #20 car and that team will not receive any owner's points for the duration of the suspension, though Kenseth will still be eligible for driver's points. That sanction, of course, does not affect Gibbs' other two teams the 11 and 18 as far as his ability to show up at the track. In other words, the #20 team's owner points will be in the same fix as Denny Hamlin's driver points. Like I said, the engine area is one place you don't mess with, even if it was unintentional, which I think this was since Gibbs' team didn't even build the engine or engine part in question. And actually, the penalty is consistent with what Carl Long got a few years ago for an oversized engine, though it was the death penalty to his Cup team, unlike Gibbs' effort, because Long was fined the same amount and lost an equivalent amount of points. 494. Schroeder51 posted: 04.24.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They did EVERYTHING but strip the win from Kenseth and give it to Kasey Kahne. 495. Schroeder51 posted: 04.24.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of which...when was the last time in NASCAR's top 3 series someone actually had their win stripped from them and given to the 2nd place finisher? 496. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Barry carried some pretty lousy Lions team into the playoffs that had no business being there like All Day did last year." In all fairness, Christian Ponder started playing very well in the Vikings' final four games, and was the main reason why we beat the Packers in Week 17 (although largely because the Packers' main focus was to stop A.D., which opened up more lanes for Ponder to throw). Plus, our defense got better as the season went on. But you're exactly right that while the team got better as the season went on, the common denominator for all of our success last season, win or loss, was Adrian Peterson. Without him, they probably don't get hot at the end of the season just because there wouldn't be a potential playoff berth to motivate the team to get hot. "I'm sure Barry will get it because he is a legend" Barry Sanders was on the cover of Madden NFL 2000 (one of my all-time favorite video games). Time for some new blood to be on the cover. I haven't played Madden since Madden NFL 11 (which pissed me off more than any other football game), but I might get the new one if A.D. is on the cover. "I just hope, unlike Barry, All Day can wind up like another NFC rusher who played on crappy teams forever, Walter Payton, and be on a good team and get a ring by the end of his career." You and me both, Brotha! "I hope he doesn't end up like other great RB's who never got it like Barry," The Lions had a 1-5 playoff record with Barry Sanders on the team. Their only win came against the Cowboys in '91, the year before their dynasty officially started, then got blown out by the eventual Super Bowl champion Redskins in the NFC title game. Then the Packers simply outperformed them back-to-back years in '93 and '94, back when Brett Favre was at his peak in terms of reckless play. The year after that, the Lions may have been the most third most talented team in the NFL, after the Cowboys and Packers, with Barry, Scott Mitchell, and Herman Moore all having great seasons, but then choked in the playoffs against the Eagles. Then in '97, it was more of the same with Barry winning league MVP, but the team failed to show up in the playoffs against the Bucs, who hadn't won a playoff game in 18 years up to that point. "Gale Sayers," I still find it ridiculous that neither Gale Sayers nor Dick Butkus, two of the five greatest Chicago Bears of all-time (along with Walter Payton, Sid Luckman, and Mike Ditka) never played in a playoff game. In 1969, Butkus was named Defensive Player of the Year, Sayers was the NFL rushing champion, and the team went 1-13. That's how awful the Bears were in that period, that two of the greatest players ever could have career years and the team wins just one game. "Erik Dickerson (he has been an asshole towards AD as he chased his record last year, but he was still really good)," He was an asshole towards Jamal Lewis too back in 2003 when Lewis was within striking distance of Dickerson's record. But I have to give him credit for being maybe the fastest pound-for-pound running back of all-time, as he stood 6'3" and 220 lbs, and hardly anybody could chase him down (the only person I ever saw catch him from behind was Darrell Green, arguably the fastest NFL player of all-time). And in 1984, Dickerson had more rushing yards (2,105) than quarterback Jeff Kemp had passing yards (2,021). Amazing. "and OJ Simpson (hard to feel sorry for him, but he was one of the best RBs ever)." Yes he was. I consider "The Juice" to be one of the five greatest running backs of all-time, along with Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, and Emmitt Smith. He had five consecutive 1,000+ yard seasons ('72-'76) for some very lousy Buffalo Bills teams that never seemed to have a quarterback who could throw more touchdowns than interceptions or remain the starter for an entire season. Some of the quarterbacks who played alongside O.J. include Dan Darragh (4 touchdowns, 22 interceptions in three seasons), James Harris (decent quarterback, probably wasn't given a fair shot because he was black), Dennis Shaw (35 touchdowns, 67 interceptions in four seasons), and Gary Marangi (In 2004, Football Outsiders came up with a formula to convert all past quarterback seasons to today's standards, and determined that Marangi's 1976 season was the worst season for a quarterback in NFL history; even worse than Ryan Leaf's 1998 season.). The only good quarterback that O.J. ever had was Joe Ferguson, who was the Bills quarterback for 3 1/2 years during O.J.'s best seasons, but his conservative passing style didn't take much of the load off of O.J., and injuries from basically carrying the team for nine years eventually caught up to O.J. and he ended his career with three very forgettable seasons (including two with the 49ers). 497. Newt posted: 04.24.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #495 I think it happened to Dale Jarrett at the 1995 Michigan Nationwide race he dominated. 498. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "the penalty is consistent with what Carl Long got a few years ago for an oversized engine, though it was the death penalty to his Cup team," Not only has Carl Long not attempted a Cup race since his penalty at the 2009 All-Star Race, but he hasn't been allowed in a Cup garage since that penalty because he hasn't totally paid it off yet. When Long isn't racing (which isn't often anymore), he's working on various cars for various teams (mostly smaller teams) throughout the NASCAR garage. NASCAR basically took away a large portion of his income, and by not allowing him to work in a Cup garage because of his suspension from that series, it's pretty much impossible for him to ever pay off that fine. Also, I like NASCAR's penalty that they handed down to the #20 team. They docked Matt Kenseth more points than his win was worth and took away any bonus points that that win might give him towards the Chase, while at the same time allowing him to keep his win, almost as a cruel reminder of what that one win cost that team. Hopefully they'll think twice before illegally tuning their engines next time, knowing the severe ramifications. 499. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think it happened to Dale Jarrett at the 1995 Michigan Nationwide race he dominated." Yes it did. What's funny is that Jarrett is still listed as running at the finish, but he's listed in 42nd place (last place), rather than listing him as "disqualified." The win then went to Mark Martin, as if he really needed it. 500. Scott B posted: 04.24.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To have a rod come up 3 grams light in overall weight at that level of competition would require some serious f*** it attitude toward quality control. Accuracy down to 1/2 gram is possible with a little effort. You're out of here, TRD! 501. Anthony posted: 04.24.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Matt Kenseths championship hopes are done :( now tied points with Jeff Gordon. Well I feel sorry for Kenseth but the engine did not pass post race inspection. 502. Scott B posted: 04.24.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm glad NASCAR included the part about the win not counting toward a wild card. Otherwise, teams from about 12th to the mid-teens in points might have a lot of incentive to cheat for the win in the last few races before the chase. By not just stripping the win completely, though, it creates another confusing line in the record books, like Bobby Allison's win in a Ford Mustang that does/does not count depending on who you ask (officially, that one still does not count according to NASCAR). 503. cjs3872 posted: 04.24.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Paul, the problem here is not Joe Gibbs Racing, but rather TRD. They've been building engines with lightweight parts for years, and they finally got caught doing it. JGR paid the penalty because that engine was in one of their cars, but TRD has been doing that for a number of years, which is why their engines top the charts in horsepower, not only in the Cup Series but also the lower series, but also lead the league in failures because those lightweight parts are not durable. Perhaps this also shines a light on why their cars are virtually unbeatable in the Nationwide Series. They have such a big horsepower advantage that it's laughable. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Kyle Busch didn't become an all-conquering driver in that series until he hooked up with Gibbs and Toyota, and this revelation, along with something their Nationwide team did a few years ago at Michigan to try to conceal their horsepower advantage demonstrates why Kyle and Joey Logano last year were virutally impossible to beat on the speeways unless they had a problem. And while I've bagged on Jack Roush numerous times, he was right on the lengths Toyota would take to dominate, even going so far as to giving one of the most respected teams in the sport illegal equipment to do so. I can almost guarantee that if JGR still did their own engines, this would not have happened, because they've always seemed to be an ogranization that conforms to the rule book. 504. Eric posted: 04.24.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What this also does with Toyota reveals how bad Joey Logano is. Joey can go good on some cup tracks, but isn't the type of a driver to take advantage of the equipment like Denny, Kyle, and Matt can. This also shows how rest of Toyota teams are being run and how good the drivers are from the cup side. Having light weight parts doesn't mean all Toyota teams had an advantage because the drivers MWR has and how bad BK Racing is being run. MWR is being run very good, but their drivers are not the same level as JGR has. Kyle, Hamlin, and Kenseth are Toyota's best drivers. Clint Bowyer is a very good driver, but he is more of a driver track driver like Terry Labonte and Ricky Rudd were in their primes. Clint won at Charlotte, but was by fuel mileage. Truex is nothing special as a driver. Mark is a solid driver, but his peak is past. Vickers is a worthy driver of a cup ride, but it only good at certain types of tracks on the cup side. BK racing a terrible running organization and isn't a shock since Red Bull was poorly run also by Management. I believe a good amount of people that ran Red Bull is with BK Racing. 505. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.24.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "In all fairness, Christian Ponder started playing very well in the Vikings' final four games, and was the main reason why we beat the Packers in Week 17" Excellent, wanna trade him for Cam Newton? Straight up! Haven't you seen the commercials and heard the sports media who are well respected and extremely knowledgeable about football (just ask them)? Cam Newton is great. Sounds like a steal to me! 506. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.24.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "And while I've bagged on Jack Roush numerous times, he was right on the lengths Toyota would take to dominate, even going so far as to giving one of the most respected teams in the sport illegal equipment to do so." I agree. Why would you put illegal parts on Matt Kenseth's car? You already have a performance advantage with him, it is between the seat and steering wheel. He only won THE MOST RECENT FREAKING RACE AT THAT TRACK FOR ANOTHER TEAM! Matt deserves better. He has some of the best balance of "success" and "respect" over the last decade. Way to piss on that TRD. "I've said this before and I'll say it again. Kyle Busch didn't become an all-conquering driver in that series until he hooked up with Gibbs and Toyota, and this revelation, along with something their Nationwide team did a few years ago at Michigan to try to conceal their horsepower advantage demonstrates why Kyle and Joey Logano last year were virutally impossible to beat on the speeways unless they had a problem." You bring up another excellent point. While driving for HMS for 3 seasons from from '05-'07 he only got 4 wins. Then consider during that stretch JJ won his first two titles, Gordon, while in the process of a switch to his 3rd full time crew chief ever, won 12 races and ran off and hid with the most full season points in '07, and even saw Brian Vickers and Casey Mears win for them. 13 years before that, another freakishly talented and outrageously young driver started driving for HMS with far less stock car experience and ended his 3rd season with 9 wins, a Winston Cup championship, a win in The Winston, and every crown jewel except the Daytona 500 (he'd have to wait 15 more months for that). So he goes to JGR and suddenly he is, to quote Dr Evil, all that and a bag of potato chips (or a bag of M&Ms lol). Now granted "Kyle Busch" and "HMS' buttoned up public approach" went together like "Dale Earnhardt's early 80's lead foot" and "Bud Moore's hilariously unreliable engines", but to suddenly jump like that in your fifth year? I've often questioned what is up there. 507. Eric posted: 04.24.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anthony, Matt's title hopes are not over and the 2nd thing is there is 18 more races before the chase. Matt has some great tracks coming up and remember Matt has won with multiple crew chiefs at Roush. The fact is Matt is known through the cup garage for getting the most out of cars. That Matt is going to make the chase no matter what. 508. murb posted: 04.24.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Damn, what a penalty. As a Kenseth fan I'm shaking my head. Oh well. Hopefully he can still make the Chase. 509. Eric posted: 04.24.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, You forgot about Mentioning Denny Hamlin in Toyota equipment. Denny in his first 3 full seasons only had 4 points wins including JGR's first year with Toyota. The Fact is Hamlin only won at Driver tracks in his first 3 seasons. Remember Hamlin before 2009, won at Pocono 2 times, Loudon once, and Martinsville once. That meant Denny was on his way of having a Ricky Rudd/ Terry Labonte career before 2009 in terms of where they win at. Remember Terry and Ricky didn't get a lot of wins on two mile tracks or one and a half mile tracks. Terry and Ricky were drivers that got most of their wins on tough tracks and Denny was the same type of a driver before 2009. That meant Hamlin went through a transformation starting in 2009. The fact is Denny won 5 times at mile and half tracks from 2009 to 2012. Denny also won 2 times at Michigan at the same time. Based on Denny's 2006 to 2008 start of the career, the amount of wins he got on the one and a half mile tracks seemed odd and the 2 Michigan wins seemed odd also. 510. Eric posted: 04.24.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I am with DaleSrFanForever about why would would Toyota put illegal parts on Matt's car. Putting illegal parts on Matt's car is like doing it to Dale Earnhardt SR. There really isn't a need to part illegal parts on either driver's car since they already made their teams better. The fact is Matt gives a race team an advantage like Dale Sr. did between the seat and the steering wheel. If Dale Sr. had illegal parts like Toyota gives out, he would have won more races at Michigan, and Indy. 511. joey2448 posted: 04.24.2013 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I can't believe Anthony is saying Matt Kenseth's title hopes are done. I'd say FAR from done. I wanna add something that Larry McReynolds said on NASCAR Race Hub. If the 20 team wanted to cheat and gain a performance advantage, they would not lighten a single connecting rod. In fact, that might hinder their performance as far as the balance of the engine is concerned. 2.7 grams of weight is almost certainly not going to help them gain an advantage. I know teams are always looking for small ways to do that, but I really don't believe this is the fault of Gibbs. And, like DSFF said, the only advantage the 20 team needs is that which is between the steering wheel and the seat. 512. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Excellent, wanna trade him for Cam Newton? Straight up!" Hahaha, thanks but no thanks. I enjoy pulling for a cancer-free football team. "Haven't you seen the commercials and heard the sports media who are well respected and extremely knowledgeable about football (just ask them)?" Haha, so you Panthers fans don't want this future Hall of Famer quarterbacking your football team? I guess you'd rather be 2-14 again, wouldn't you? ;) And speaking of commercials, one of my favorites is that "NFL Play 60" commercial when Cam totally gets dissed by that kid. There's your future quarterback right there, Panthers fans...right after Cam's 17-year career comes to an end...all with the Carolina Panthers! Mwuahahahaha!! "Kyle Busch didn't become an all-conquering driver in that series until he hooked up with Gibbs and Toyota, and this revelation, along with something their Nationwide team did a few years ago at Michigan to try to conceal their horsepower advantage demonstrates why Kyle and Joey Logano last year were virtually impossible to beat on the speedways unless they had a problem." Perfect solution: Strip Kyle of all of his Nationwide wins since 2008, as well as his 2009 championship, and strip Joey Logano of all of his wins from 2012. Mark Martin would once again be ranked as the all-time Nationwide Series wins leader (not a Nationwide driver, but at least then Mark would still be No. 1 in something), and Carl Edwards would get to somewhat make-up for his two stolen Sprint Cup titles ('08 and '11) and still get to call himself a 2-time NASCAR champion. But I would let Kyle and Joey keep the trophies that they won so as not to ruin their self-esteem. Everybody wins! 513. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Why would you put illegal parts on Matt Kenseth's car? You already have a performance advantage with him, it is between the seat and steering wheel." If only we could have convinced Hendrick Motorsports and Junior Johnson about that. Then we wouldn't have to put asterisks next to Gordon, Johnson, and Waltrip's career accomplishments. 514. Hank1469 posted: 04.24.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Makes me not wanna go to any more races, I go to 3 races a year at least. NASCAR needs to get rid of Robin Pemberton! 515. The Sound posted: 04.24.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are any here knowledgeable about engines? 3 grams, to an uninformed person like myself, seems like a negligible matter in terms of performance. But I know little about quality control, so it appears strange that such an apparently egregious error could have been made. I have seen it postulated on Sim Racing Design that this was a test to see what Gibbs could get away with. If the weight discrepancy went undetected, perhaps that would open the door to more opportunities for stretching the rules. After reading your commentary, it seems that NASCAR may have had an inkling about what TRD was up to and was looking for a way to bust them. We will have to closely watch the performance of the Toyotas in the coming weeks to see any differences. What I simply cannot understand is why so many fans are up in arms about this penalty. Extremely harsh penalties are not unprecedented, particularly when involving modifications of the engine. I see hundreds of fans spouting off about the good ole days, back when you "run what you brung" and "the best car wins". Well, I take offense to this philosophy. I do not care about the car. I care about the driver, and I fully support NASCAR's initiative to level the playing field. I do support small differences between manufacturers, as we can see in the aerodynamics of the Gen6 designs, but in general I want to see the best drivers win, not the best cars. In an ideal world (the PEER world, I suppose; do you know how this formula is calculated?), every car would have negligible differences and the races would be decided by the best drivers, not the best teams. Even as a Jeff Gordon fan, I can say that I would rather watch him prove himself in equal equipment. As good as his career has been, I will always have to wonder how matters could have played out differently if he did not always have equipment at least on par with everything else on the circuit. 516. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I can't believe Anthony is saying Matt Kenseth's title hopes are done. I'd say FAR from done." This is Anthony, remember? 517. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Just in: Denny Hamlin will NOT be racing at Richmond. "the PEER world, I suppose; do you know how this formula is calculated?" No, but I reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally REALLY want to know. 518. cjs3872 posted: 04.24.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Sound, I'm certainly not one of those "up in arms" over the penalties handed to Kenseth. I'm certainly surprised at the depth of the penalties, but they needed to be harsh because, as I've said before, the engine is one of a very few places you don't mess with. Actually, the penalties handed to each of the Penske teams were harsher than the ones given to Kenseth, except for the fact that the #20 team can't earn any points in the owner standings and Gibbs having his license for his #20 team revoked. After all, as far as I know, only one member of Kenseth's team was suspended, while three members of each of Penske's teams plus the team manager were all given 7-race suspensions for things that may not have actually been illegal. Actually, the other penalties handed to Kenseth and his team were in line with recent violations in the same area. And the loss of the ability to use a win for bonus points in the Chase is also not unprecedented, as that ocurred in 2008 regarding Carl Edwards for a much different violation. 519. 18fan posted: 04.24.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, Kyle was kind of like Junior is now at HMS, fast but not contending for a bunch of wins, except Junior is more consistent now than Kyle was at HMS. Also, of Kyle's 22 wins with JGR, he has 2 road course wins, 2 plate wins, 8 short track wins, 2 Dover wins, a Darlington win, and 7 intermediate wins. It is not that unheard of for a driver to begin winning a bunch in their 4th or 5th year. Rusty Wallace had 4 wins in his first 4 years and then took off beginning in his 5th year (1988) 520. Eric posted: 04.24.2013 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, There is a difference between Rusty Wallace, Kyle Busch. Rusty started out in Cliff Stewart equipment. Cliff Stewart Equipment isn't exactly HMS equipment and wasn't top of the line equipment for cup racing in 1984 and 1985. Rusty only had pretty equipment 2 out of his first 4 full seasons in cup racing. 521. 18fan posted: 04.24.2013 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yes using Rusty was not a great example, but it is still not out of the question for a driver to break out in the win column in their 4th year, especially after switching teams. Everything clicked for Kyle and Steve Addington for most of that season and actually had some good runs in the Chase, but it is looked at as a choke even though he had mechanical problems in the first three races. Taking out those 3 races, he finished 15th (involved in the Big One at Talladega), 4th at Charlotte, 29th at Martinsville (his only bad run), 5th at Atlanta, 6th at Texas, 8th at Phoenix, and 19th at Homestead when he ran out of gas on the last lap. Also, Kyle has gotten better as a driver since he left HMS, so that naturally will lead to more wins. 522. Eric posted: 04.24.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While Rusty raced in cup from 1980 to 1982, he only did 9 cup races at that time period including 2 races for Roger Penske. Rusty got his first good full time cup ride in 1986 after his first good cup ride with Raymond Beadle after 2 years with Cliff Stewart. Cliff Stewart did win in 1981 with Morgan Shepherd, but it wasn't exactly a great ride. Geoff Bodine did lead a lot more laps with Cliff Stewart than Rusty, but Cliff Stewart equipment wasn't capable of getting 10 to 15 top 10's a season. Raymond Beadle had good equipment before Rusty came along. Tim Richmond won for Raymond Beadle 2 times and had 11 to 15 top 10's a season with Tim. That meant Rusty got an equipment upgrade. Raymond Beadle in 1986 wasn't the organization that won a cup championship with in 1989 though. That meant Kyle had better equipment than Rusty at Hendrick Motorsports from 2005 to 2007. 523. Mr X posted: 04.24.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just to put it in perspective the engine's balance in your road car in only within plus or minus 5-10 grams. Anyone can disassemble their engine and send it to a machine shop to have the engines rotating assembly balanced. All you need to send is the pistons, compression and oil scraper rings, piston pins, connecting rods with bolts and bearings, and your crank. If your engine is externally balanced you will need to send the flywheel/flexplate and/or harmonic balancer and any external counterweights which may or may not be part of the balancer and/or flywheel/flexplate. Factor in a couple grams for oil weight and for a fee a machinist can balance your rotating assembly to within a gram or less. A machinist will start by balancing the rotating or big end of the rod by finding the lightest and shaving down the heavier ones, then the rods total reciprocating weight will be balanced however any removed material will be removed from the rods small end. However there is on thing that must be taken into account. All the parts in these engines are extremely high end, all these parts are fully machined from billets or forgings. These parts should be virtually 100% balanced and should require minimal machining right out of the box. In standard production engines the parts are cast, maybe forged, and to save cost the parts receive minimal machining. Another thing that must be accounted for is the fact that the tooling for many of these internal parts aren't developed by the teams or manufacturers. They are mostly developed as a joint venture between teams or manufacturers and aftermarket companies who specialize in whatever part being made. Pistons may be designed by teams themselves but the rods almost certainly aren't. The balancing however is almost certainly done in house by teams themselves. When you consider the minimum piston weight is 400 grams according to a magazine article I read several years ago. The total once all is said and done nears a kilogram. Being as only one of the rods was underweight having 3 grams of imbalance would cancel out any gain through reduced inertia. That was an extremely costly mistake for the 20 team, and for very little gain. A balanced engine will rev higher simply because of the reduced vibration, the engine will put less stress on the bearings as well making it more reliable at high engine speeds. 3 grams is worth much more power relative to the acceptable limits for imbalance the it relative to the sheer amount of inertia in the reciprocating parts. 524. Anthony posted: 04.24.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well everyone keeps on disagreeing me every time on Racing Reference I have a lot of knowledge & to say this that I read on JaySki that Kenseth might not score points the next 6 races that's why I said his chances are over I'm saying he's really out but the fact is he's only miss the chase once that was in 2009. My Driver Jeff Gordon has miss the chase once that was in 2005 when he won the Daytona 500 but was his 2nd worst season compare to his rookie season in 1993 but for "Matt The Brat" to catch up he needs to think about the owner points cause it won't be credit for about 6 weeks. Matt can still make it but the car wont on owner points. So stop disliking me I'm a really nice guy I don't play around with veterans who try to test me in every limit I have a future in my graps so don't try to stop me! 525. Paul posted: 04.24.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There was no way Kyle Busch was going to win a championship at Hendrick Motorsports because he got there right as Jimmie Johnson started to take over the sport. Sure, part of the reasoning for his departure was because he wasn't meshing well with the team, but the way I see it, his departure from HMS to JGR was brilliant because it allowed him to make a name for himself in a different environment, which he has. He was never going to win 4-8 races at HMS the way he has at JGR (Hell, even Jeff Gordon can't win four races at HMS anymore.) because of the way HMS is structured (Priority #1: Jimmie Johnson; priority #2: Everyone else), but going to JGR gave him the freedom to showcase who he truly is as a driver, for better or worse. Now he doesn't have any Cup titles or even serious title fight moments to show for himself (even Denny Hamlin has a title fight to his credit), but he certainly has left his mark over the past five seasons; something I highly doubt he would have ever done at HMS. At JGR, he came in right as Tony Stewart was being phased out and Gibbs was looking for a new No. 1 driver. Had he stayed at HMS, he would have been destined to play wingman to Johnson (which I highly doubt he would have gone for). Going from HMS to JGR might not seem like an upgrade, but for Kyle's career, I think it was, even though his best career points finish came while at HMS. It's a shame that he has shown to be the "Bizarro" to Jeff Gordon's "Superman" when comparing their "So similar, yet so very different" careers, but career-wise, it's better to play "Bizarro" than to play "Robin." 526. David posted: 04.24.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I have a future in my graps so don't try to stop me!" Okay, that's fair. Just tell me what a grap is. 527. cjs3872 posted: 04.24.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually Eric, Raymond Beadle's team, which eventually became Penske Racing's NASCAR effort, actually began in 1977 when the team was started by M.C. Anderson, and in 1979 when Anderson hired Benny Parsons, they were considered championship contenders then, and Parsons contended for the championship in 1980. When Anderson hired Cale Yarborough in 1981, he cut back because Cale wanted no part of running the full season, and they won several important races together, including the 1981 Firecracker 400 and the 1982 Southern 500. But Anderson eventually sold his team to Beadle in 1983 and when Cale moved on to Harry Ranier's team because they would do a partial schedule with Cale, Beadle hired Tim Richmond, and we can all follow the trail of that team from there. But that team was a championship-caliber team with Parsons, and would be again with Wallace 528. joey2448 posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anthony, I'm pretty certain that Kenseth will still be eligible for driver points. The 20 team on the other hand, will not be eligible for owner points. 529. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, it was worth a shot Paul :) Funny, me and Dad were talking about Cam today. Dad is more of a college sports fan (except for the Braves) but he knows I am a huge Panthers fan so he keeps up with them cause it is important to me. I asked if he thought Cam would ever "get it" and channel his energies into using his supreme talent to be the best QB possible and make his team better instead of worrying only about Cam. With the things he is truly passionate about in the sports world (Clemson and the Braves) he is usually the ultimate pessimist. But he tried to put a positive spin on Cam for me. He said maybe he is just young and immature and will get it. I love Dad to death, and I value his opinion greatly. But he was very unconvincing. I could tell by his tone he was trying to make me feel better. Which I love him for. But the Panthers have invested heavily in Cam, and he is our future. That means our future is bleak. Hate seeing people with that many athletic gifts piss them away. Especially the guy I am forced to pull for 16 times a year (and only 16 times, we CAM't make the playoffs with Newton). 530. Mr X posted: 04.24.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Danica Patrick on Colbert Report, I repeat Danica Patrick on Colbert Report. 531. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also glad to see you brought up another great point: why the HELL would a team cheat with Keff Gordon as your driver? That's like putting that illegal stick 'em stuff on Jerry Rice's hands or giving Dirty Harry a machine gun. Little gain, you already have the advantage, and it just puts an unnecessary cloud over him. 532. murb posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Danica Patrick on Colbert Report, I repeat Danica Patrick on Colbert Report." What a great sport Nascar is. Really, are there any other sports where the 25th ranked athlete/team gets this much media attention? I'm so happy to be witnessing this great era!!! 533. cjs3872 posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another analagy to what you say in post #531, DSFF, would be giving Superman brass knuckles. I once heard the late Steve Sabol introduce an NFL Films piece with that analagy when referring to a piece they were doing with a player, but I forget who that was. 534. Paul posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "When Anderson hired Cale Yarborough in 1981, he cut back because Cale wanted no part of running the full season" That's actually how Darrell Waltrip got hired by Junior Johnson. If I recall correctly, Cale Yarborough actually lobbied for Junior to replace him with Waltrip. In the end, it all worked out as Waltrip equaled Cale's championship total and went on to win one more points race than Cale, most of which came during his six-year stint with Junior Johnson. "I asked if he thought Cam would ever "get it" and channel his energies into using his supreme talent to be the best QB possible and make his team better instead of worrying only about Cam." It's still possible. Randall Cunningham was a pretty cocky, somewhat selfish quarterback in his first few NFL seasons with the Eagles (In his defense, Buddy Ryan was his head coach, so it's not like he had much of a chance.). But after getting hurt in the opening game of 1991, and ultimately being relegated to a backup role in '95, he retired for a season only to come back with the Vikings in '97. I think those few years from '95-'97 was a very humbling experience for Cunningham, and once he got his shot at being a started again in '98, he was a very unselfish player and finally learned how to play from the pocket and give the ball to his playmakers instead of trying to be the playmaker. He was truly a NEW Randall Cunningham, and one who got the team within a missed field goal of the Super Bowl that year. Michael Vick is much the same way. I used to hate hit guts when he was with the Falcons because of his attitude and selfish play (which of course the media ate up as if he was this "bigger than life" superstar). It may have taken him 1 1/2 years in prison, along with a very forgettable season in 2009 when he played poorly as the Eagles' backup quarterback, but Vick has finally learned how to be an unselfish, team-oriented player. I think there's still hope for Cam Newton, but it's going to take something drastic like a serious injury or a run-in with the law for him to change his behavior and develop a better attitude that's more acquainted for winning games and making the team better. All of the elite quarterbacks in the league have that type of mentality (Rodgers, Brady, Mannings, Big Ben, Brees). But while I still think there's hope for Cam, especially considering the similarities that he shares with the younger Randall Cunningham and Michael Vick, it's up to him to decide whether to help the team get better or to simply continue to be the superstar of a fledgling franchise. "With the things he is truly passionate about in the sports world (Clemson and the Braves) he is usually the ultimate pessimist." Interesting fact on those two sports teams: Clemson's most recent National Championship in college football came the year after Dale Earnhardt's first championship (1981), while the Atlanta Braves' most recent World Series title came the year after Dale's final championship (1995). "Danica Patrick on Colbert Report" Great, now she's tainted my favorite satirical news show. Oh well, it's just one episode I'll have to skip. "why the HELL would a team cheat with Jeff Gordon as your driver?" That's one of life's greatest mysteries. My guess is that Rick Hendrick decided in 1995 that he was tired of his teams always getting beat by "that damn black car," and so to ensure his team's success, he took his best driver and gave him a little extra "juice" in the car just to ensure victory. It worked in 1995, and I think that out of habit, they just resort to cheating (Or as it's known in the PC world: "Breaking the spirit of the rules."). It's truly a shame because Jeff Gordon is truly a legend in the sport of auto racing, as well as Jimmie Johnson, and both of them pretty much have permanent asterisks/raised eyebrows next to their accomplishments. I don't know exactly which individual(s) are largely responsible for this (okay, so I have a few clues involving men atop the pit box), but they should be ashamed of themselves for tainting the legacies of not one, but two of the all-time greats from the same team. Regardless of my differing opinions on both drivers, it makes me both sad and angry that we have to question everything that team achieves as if it was tainted. But it's the truth. I don't blame the drivers for the cheating going on with their teams, but it is frustrating to know that the two best drivers for the past 18 years have benefited from a lot of rule breaking within their team's shop. Why can't every team just be run like Petty Enterprises, the Wood Brothers, RCR, or even Roush and just play fair on the track? If you have the best car, you contend for the win. If you don't, you try to get the best finish you can get and try making good adjustments throughout the race. No need to cheat, just may the best man win. That's all I'm asking, but apparently as we've seen time and time again with pioneers like Smokey Yunick and Junior Johnson, to modern day teams like HMS and now JGR, that's too much to ask for. I'm glad NASCAR went big on their penalties towards the #20 team, and hopefully they won't be afraid to do the same should an HMS car violates the rules as well. Oh wait, Rick Hendrick is good friends with John Middlebrook, who's in charge of the appeals process. Nevermind then... 535. Paul posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Steve Sabol is one of the greatest individuals in modern U.S. history. Without him and his role with NFL Films, my love of football would be nowhere near what it is today, and football probably wouldn't have played as big a part in my life as it has. God bless that man, for he gave us one arguably the greatest film series of all-time, and hours upon hours of entertainment that followed. I can never thank him enough for the role he and his film crew played in my childhood and now young adulthood. May he rest in peace. 536. cjs3872 posted: 04.25.2013 - 1:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And not just football films Paul, but all sports films. If you look at the films and videos put out by MLB, the NBA, NASCAR, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, golf films, etc. In fact, the 1974 PGA Championship, the Masters from 1982-'84, and the 1987 Indianapolis 500 films were largely done by, or with the help of NFL Films. In fact, the '74 PGA Championship film was an NFL Films production. And it's not just how they filmed the events, but also how the films were produced, with the narration, music, slow motion cameras, etc. Almost every major sports league uses stuff first pioneered by NFL Films and have used narrators from NFL Films over the years. 537. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.25.2013 - 6:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) At post 533 Sabol was Referring to Joe Montana being equipped with Jerry Rice & John Taylor. BTW That Film highlighted the NFL 1989 Season in which The 49ers had one of the most dominant championship seasons ever. 538. Anthony posted: 04.25.2013 - 7:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @526 Broadcaster! 539. AveryNH posted: 04.25.2013 - 8:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last time Kenseth had his crew chief suspended was back in 2007 after the cheat fest that was the 2007 Daytona 500. Without Robbie Rieser he finished 27th. Rieser was back the next two races as Roush appealed and he won the 500 miler at California. During his suspension the worst Matt finished was 11th at Bristol. 540. jabber1990 posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) when NASCAR confinscates your car how do you get it back? or do you get it back at all? 541. jabber1990 posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chad Knaus at one point told somebody (I forgot who) that if you work in the "grey" area, and then they write the rule changing the grey area then its essentially a badge of honor 542. cjs3872 posted: 04.25.2013 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jabber1990, your point about working in the grey area of the rulebook goes at least as far back to the turbine cars Andy Granatelli ran at Indy in 1967 and 1968. USAC realizied that turbines would completely obsolete all the other kinds of engines that they clamped so many restrictions on their size that they became non-competitive. And the thing about working in the "grey area" may go back even farthr than that. Other examples of this were the winged car in 1971 when Dick Brooks contended for the lead in the Daytona 500 that year despite a severe engine restriction those cars got. The winged car was soon outlawed. That same year, a few teams found a way around a rule that prohibited the use of wings on IndyCars by constructing cars with wings molded into the bodies. USAC permitted bolt-ons for 1972 as a result. Then there was the aerodynamic advantage the '83 T-Birds had, which was only revealed when the Fords got horsepower in 1985 (and allegedly smaller bodies, though as far as I know, that was never proven). NASCAR allowed window extenders for 1986 to eliminate that advantage. Then there was the flat spolier angles some teams ran at Daytona and Talladega beginning in 1988 which got them a speed advantage. When RCR ran their spoiler lower than practically everyone else did in 1990, thus giving them a big edge, NASCAR adopted the minimum spoiler rule for those races for 1991. Then there was the episode regarding Penske's 1994 Indianapolis 500 effort. USAC responded to that by changing the boost such an engine could get the following year. And of course, there was the "T-Rex" car that Jeff Gordon won the 1997 All-Star Race with. Though that car was legal in that event, the rules makers made it so that car would be illegal soon after. And there are more cases, of course, but fudging the rules is as old as racing itself. Heck, Ray Harroun won the first Indianapolis 500 in 1911 because he got around the rule mandating a riding mechanic by installing the first rear view mirror ever used on a car. So fudging the rules has been going on in racing for over 100 years. 543. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.25.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I always say that if you need to cheat or explore gray areas to win (like Knaus, the infamous Michael Kranesfuss #12, Junior Johnson, etc.) then you cannot be that great of an engineer in your own right. A truly great engineer should be able to look at a rule book and decide what's black and what's white and stay entirely in the white. 544. Eric posted: 04.25.2013 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, I agree that Steve Sabol was very important to NFL Films since him and his dad were the founders. The thing is I don't the success of NFL films from the 1960's, to 1984 can't be done as good without the voice of John Facenda. The Sabols ran into John Facenda at club and John Facenda had one of the most recognizable voices in NFL History. John Facenda was known as "The voice of God" based on his work at NFL Films. 545. Eric posted: 04.25.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The success of NFL films is caused by 3 people in my opinion. ED and Steve Sabol, and John Facenda. John Facenda had one of the most well known voices of the NFL based on his work on NFL Films. The fact is since cjs3872 called Pat Summerall the voice of the NFL, cjs3872 might as well call John Facenda the voice of NFL Films. 546. DaleSrFanForever posted: 04.25.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yep, Joe Cool having Rice and Taylor is giving Superman brass knuckles. If only he hadn't have got hurt in that '90 NFC title game they would have the only Super Bowl era 3peat and the first since the Packers of Lombardi, the first of which was the year before the first Super Bowl. Of course had Joe not laid an egg at Candlestick in '87 against the Vikes (who played one hell of a game) then they could have had their 3peat then. Joe's playoff career is the exact opposite of Peyton's. Many many clutch performances, an egg or two laid. 547. Eric posted: 04.25.2013 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anthony, Matt is going to be score points for the next 6 races. What you read was not being scored for owner points. Owner Points and Driver Points are two separate issues. 548. jabber1990 posted: 04.25.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) speaking of the indy 500, I saw what I belive was the pace car for the Indy 500, it was a 2013 camaro with IMS plates and had "Official Pace Car 97th Annual Indianapolis 500 May 24 2013" so when is the 100th coming up? is it 2016? 549. David posted: 04.25.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, jabber. The 100th running of the Indianapolis 500 will take place in May 2016. It started in 1911, but was cancelled from 1917-1918 and from 1942-1945 due to the two world wars. 550. cjs3872 posted: 04.25.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Erc, everyne at NFL Films has always referred to John Facenda as THE voice of NFL Films. owever, it's also interesting to note that Facenda never narrated their "Game of the Week" series. That distinction went to those such as Jack Whitaker, Bob Delaney, Ray Scott, and most notably, Harry Kalas, and many considered Kalas the true successor to Facenda in that role, though he only narrated one official Super Bowl highlight film (SB XXIX). But Kalas voiced Inside the NFL's game highlights until he died, and in his Game of the Week narrating role, narrated some of the most famous games in NFL history, including, in three successive weeks in January of 1982, the "Epic in Miami", and the two conference championships from 1981, one of which featured "The Catch" and the other being the "Freezer Bowl" in Cincinnati. But Pat Summerall was the voice of the NFL in terms of calling games, as he worked 16 Super Bowls for three networks on TV (CBS, NBC, where he was a reporter for Super Bowl III, and FOX), and called another 10 on radio, and you knew that if Summerall was broadcasting the game, that it was a big game. Yet, he did the 1981 NFC Championship game on radio (with Jack Buck), despite the fact that CBS carried that game on TV. CBS had another legendary broadcaster, Vin Scully, call the game on TV along with Hank Stram, and it's Scully who descrbes "The Catch" on TV. Ironically, Summerall and Scully worked together on numerous Masters from the mid 70s until Scully left in 1982 after calling that year's Masters. And also, another man who deserves a lot of credit fo the success of NFL Films is Sam Spence, who was in charge of the music, and the music that NFL Films has produced over the decades is almost as famous as the films themselves. In fact, his music has been used in other sports films, such as the Masters, World Series, Indianapolis 500, NBA Finals, etc. over the years. 551. Anonymous posted: 04.25.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Well, it's good to see that Matt Kenseth has adopted the Gibbs prerequisite quality of being a whiner. Your team cheated and got caught, so please stop your whining about being justly punished. The engine is the one component that you don't mess with. 552. Schroeder51 posted: 04.25.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Oh boy, I just read comment #538... If Anthony actually DOES become a NASCAR broadcaster, then I'm scared to watch the sport in the future. Considering this is the guy who went on the rant to end all rants when Jeff Gordon fell out at Texas and wished a fatal crash upon Jimmie Johnson when he was dominating Martinsville...We might have a commentator WORSE than the Waltrip brothers! 553. Eric posted: 04.25.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Schroeder51, We don't have to worry about Anthony as broadcaster because he'll get fired or suspended If he says that wishes a fatal crash upon Jimmie Johnson while being on the air as a broadcaster. 554. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.25.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) cjs would be fired quickly too with all his conspiracy theories and know-it-all attitude... the first time he mouthed off to the producer about reducing his arrogance he'd be on the direct flight back to Baltimore. 555. Eric posted: 04.25.2013 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On air personalities have gotten suspended for saying stuff one air before that isn't appropriate rather you are a broadcaster or an air personality. That means broadcasters would get suspended if they actually say on the air that they want want a certain person to die. ESPN in the past have fired or suspended people in the past for saying inappropriate things including suspending Rob Parker last year before not resigning him. Rob Parker did on the show first take last last December for causing him to get suspended was attacking Robert Griffin III for having a white fiancee, and a rumored Republican. Rob Parker even questioned Robert Griffin III his blackness. 556. joey2448 posted: 04.25.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, it doesn't look like the Denny Hamlin Short-track Showdown is going to be aired on SPEED, or any channel for that matter. You guys know anything about that? 557. Paul posted: 04.25.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) SPEED would rather air stupid reality shows than actual races nowadays. That's why the World of Outlaws isn't on national TV anymore. "cjs would be fired quickly too with all his conspiracy theories and know-it-all attitude" Says the guy who called every NASCAR driver other than Mark Martin a "f**" a few weeks ago. 558. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.25.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, I am not going to argue that. Darrell Waltrip doesn't use the foul language he used to use when he was a driver, but he doesn't use it in the booth. The same would apply to anyone of us. I doubt if DSFF was in the booth that he would be dropping s-bombs, but that doesn't mean his personality wouldn't show through. If that were the case, then the Waltrips would sound like geniuses. So would I say we need "real men" on the track? Definitely! Would I say "f**" on the air? No way. 559. cjs3872 posted: 04.25.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Paul, that's why there needs to be an all-motorsports network. Note that I didn't say an all-NASCAR network, though NASCAR woul certainly be a big part of such a network. That's because there's more to motorsports than just NASCAR. An all-motorsports network could air stuff like the charity race and races in lower series, as well as classic races, such as classic Indy races, both the broadcasts and the films, classic NASCAR and F1 races, etc. and possibly show those races in their entirities. There could then be programs like "SPEED Center" nightly focusing on all forms of the sport, not just NASCAR. Every other major sport that I know of have such a channel, but not motorsports. Also, such a network can show documentaries about the history of the sport, or a certain event, such as the Indianapolis 500, Daytona 500, Coca-Cola 600, the All-Star Race, Southern 500, Monaco Grand Prix, etc. Obviously, some of these would have to be multi-part documentaries, since they would be quite lengthy, especially if they're going to do it year-by-year, or era-by-era. 560. David posted: 04.25.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I don't want to be the wise guy here, but can we all get along and stop criticizing each other? We all saw Anthony's mad rage after the Texas race, but that doesn't mean he's a horrible person. Neither does his death wish on Jimmie Johnson during the Martinsville race. Both were said in the heat of the moment. He's probably a better person than that, but we just got the wrong impression. I'm not excusing or defending his words at all, but it just seems like we can do better things on a racing discussion board than finding fault in others. Now I'm not saying we can't call out others for rude or disrespectful comments, but don't keep using to discredit another poster's character or opinions. It would sadden me greatly to see this site's discussions be degraded into another NASCAR.com forum-level immaturity-fest. No one who is on the face of the earth can say he is perfect. We all do wrong. So let's put away our differences, and discuss the topic that this comment board was intended for: racing (and maybe a few other subjects and current events). Can we do that, please? It's not worth losing valuable opinions over a few thoughtless comments. 561. murb posted: 04.25.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm 100% with David. Let's not turn this wonderful site into a nascar.com clone. 562. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.25.2013 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm 100% with David, too. Let's pick on him instead :P 563. David posted: 04.25.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm 100% with David, too. Let's pick on him instead :P" Go for it. :) "Let's not turn this wonderful site into a nascar.com clone." "Clone" was the exact word I had in mind before I changed it. We have a mental link, you and me. 564. 83andJoe posted: 04.25.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again, I agree completely on a all-motorsports network being needed. Bring back TNN for it, I say! 565. murb posted: 04.25.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "We have a mental link, you and me." lol, You know it. 566. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.25.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) SPEED was supposed to be an all motorsport network too... it didn't live like that long. 567. David posted: 04.25.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Has anyone seen Jeff Gordon's scheme for the upcoming Talladega race? I kind of like it. 568. David posted: 04.25.2013 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paint scheme, that is. 569. jabber1990 posted: 04.25.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) they did have a all-motorsports network its going to become Fox Sports 1 soon 570. Schroeder51 posted: 04.25.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who on earth would want to watch the Denny Hamlin Short Track Showdown when you have fine, wholesome, quality programming such as R U Faster Than A Redneck? It's the greatest show you've never seen! Yeah right, reality TV garbage like that makes me want to vomit. I miss the good old days when you could watch all of the lower NASCAR series, the (then) Hooters Pro Cup series, World of Outlaws, and other lesser known racing series...And now SPEED is about to go bye-bye and become a general sports network. 571. jabber1990 posted: 04.25.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) correct me if im wrong, but hasn't it become the general concensious that nobody likes reality shows anymore and yet the networks keep giving us more and more reality shows nobody likes watching people fight...well, you know where im going with this the bad thing is, sports is costly, Speed is a sports Network... although many would argue its cheaper to air Hooters Pro-cup, World of Outlaws, the local Dirt track event, than any other sporting event on TV. I still find it hard to belive that Speed doesnt make that kind of money, most of us NASCAR fans are just general racing Fanboys. put in a motor and a steering wheel and you have our atention 572. murb posted: 04.25.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch won the Short Track Showdown race tonight. I figured I would tell everyone on here since Speed is too busy with their redneck drag racing reality shows. 573. Schroeder51 posted: 04.25.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #571: Because last I knew, most teenagers still thoroughly enjoy reality TV. The Jersey Shore was SERIOUS business in my high school class (I graduated only a few years ago). I was actually considered weird for not watching it! 574. Paul posted: 04.25.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not trying to attack anyone and I hold no animosity towards any poster here. It didn't come off that way before, but I like NicoRosbergFan and often agree with what he posts on here. That being said, I just feel that one shouldn't throw stones when they live in a glass house, and I'm not afraid to tell someone how I feel when they say something that I disagree with. I'm sure Nico understands that, as he has shown time again that he's not afraid to speak his mind either, whether it's popular or not. An all motorsports network would be spectacular. I'll never understand why the second most popular sport in this country (after football) doesn't have it's own true television network that's totally devoted to it. Don't count on Fox Sports 1 to fill that void, as they plan on having a lot of college football and baseball coverage on their network to go along with auto racing. NBC Sports is doing a really good job of covering IndyCar and now Formula One, and SPEED has at times done a good job of covering NASCAR (although they do a piss poor job of covering the Nationwide Series, along with ESPN, who has full rights to that series). But there's enough motorsports in the U.S. and around the world for a motorsports-only television network to exist, and I'm disappointed that SPEED chose not to take advantage of that. Their switch to Fox Sports 1 will be well-received from me, as the reality shows will be replaced with sports coverage. I don't care much for Gordon's Talladega paint scheme, but then again I always liked the traditional Pepsi paint scheme he often sported in the Talladega spring race. I guarantee you that the majority of people who enjoy reality shows are also the same people who don't like pro wrestling because "It's fake." Stupid hypocrites. Congrats to Kyle Busch on winning the Denny Hamlin Short Track Showdown. Hopefully he didn't wreck half the field to win that race like he did in the Snowball Derby. 575. Paul posted: 04.25.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vikings got three 1st round draft picks; a defensive lineman, a defensive back, and a wide receiver. Great pickups by my team. Hey DSFF, I noticed that the Panthers drafted a guy named "Star." That's your missing piece for the Super Bowl right there haha. 576. Paul posted: 04.26.2013 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just found out that David Ragan finished 2nd in the DHSTS race tonight. Considering how his family-owned short track equipment isn't nearly as good as Kyle Busch's self-owned team is in late models, that's a pretty darn good job by Ragan, who is normally finishing towards the bottom of the top 10 in these Cup driver-filled short track races. Here are some other notable competitors in that race and where they finished: - Ben Rhodes finished 3rd. (He's only 16 years old. Keep your eyes on this this guy in the coming years.) - Kyle Larson finished 10th. - Max Papis finished 21st. - Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. finished 25th. - Trevor Bayne finished 25th. - Tony Stewart finished 28th. (Defending race winner.) - Michael Waltrip finished 33rd. If Tony Stewart can't even finish in the top 25 in a non-points late model race, I think that says it all for how his season is going to end up. I don't know the circumstances surrounding his 28th place finish, but if he can't even have a good race in a late model race with several Cup drivers in the field, I don't have much faith in his chances to turnaround his fortunes in the Cup Series, in terms of having good luck and good equipment. 577. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.26.2013 - 5:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really, to have appreciable coverage, you would have to have one network dedicated to the NASCAR touring series, one to the K&N Series, one to the international NASCAR series, and one to the modifieds. There would be one for USAC and WoO. Another to Grand-Am and GT style racing. One for Le Mans racing. Another for WTCC and WRC. One for American open-wheel. One for F1, GP2, and GP3... essentially you'd have to 50 or 70 channels to cover all the major international series and the major support series that the drivers come from. Of course, there's tape delay, but I refuse to watch tape-delayed races when I know there's no justifiable reason, such as the Truck race at Dover. Paul, no need to justify yourself. 578. Benjamin Lowe posted: 04.26.2013 - 6:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is what's great about sports. This is what the greatest thing about sports is. You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start telling me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." 579. jabber1990 posted: 04.26.2013 - 9:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Because last I knew, most teenagers still thoroughly enjoy reality TV. The Jersey Shore was SERIOUS business in my high school class (I graduated only a few years ago). I was actually considered weird for not watching it!" people actually watched Jersey Shore? 580. David posted: 04.26.2013 - 9:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Here are some other notable competitors in that race and where they finished" C.E. Falk isn't notable? Joking, I know Jayski didn't have him listed. "I don't know the circumstances surrounding his 28th place finish" He crashed. 581. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 04.26.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, Paul, I hope you guys enjoy Cordarrelle Patterson. In a rough time for Tennessee football, he was worth the price of admission this season. He's raw route runner, but he's the most explosive receiver in this draft. From my personal experiences with Patterson, he's a really humble guy that can be a franchise player. 582. Paul posted: 04.26.2013 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well that's great to hear, OldSchoolNascarDude1. Patterson sounds a lot like Percy Harvin, only without the headaches (literally and figuratively). I'm hoping that he can bring that explosiveness to the NFL and give us the perfect compliment to Greg Jennings. Hopefully the Volunteers can get back to their late '90s/early '00s form in the upcoming years just to add some more excitement in the SEC. I need another good team to root for besides Alabama to hold off LSU and Georgia from possibly winning the conference title. 583. Paul posted: 04.26.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Toyotas and Penske Fords seem to be the fastest in both series this weekend. Mark Martin won Cup practice, Brad and Kyle won Nationwide practices. All the JGR and RAB cars look bad fast and should take up most of the top ten in the Nationwide race tonight. If a non-Toyota wins this weekend, odds are it'll be one of the Penske cars of Brad (both Series) or Hornish. 584. The Long Shot posted: 04.26.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, I share your excitement. I was listening to the draft on radio, and I was shocked when I heard that Minnesota had traded back up into the first round. Next thing we know, GM Rick Spielman will trade the rest of Minnesota's draft to Jacksonville, get the first pick in the second round, and grab Manti Te'o. Hey, it could happen. You never know with Spielman... 585. David posted: 04.26.2013 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I hope there is a floor in the hole of heaven that shows the pain and suffering in hell so I can check in from time to time to see Rick Hendrick, Jimmie Johnson, Gordon, Helton, France ect. getting what the deserve for all eternity." Wow. You really think that all of those people are going to hell because they cheat? If that were true, then we would all go there and suffer eternally. Only people who do not repent and believe in God go to hell. 586. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.26.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Webmaster, do something about Baker, please? David and I are offended. The Mudsummer Classic may very well be the only NASCAR race I watch all year... I have actually watched one on TV yet. 587. Paul posted: 04.26.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anybody interested in buying my 1/64 diecast collection?" Hmmm...tempting. "Next thing we know, GM Rick Spielman will trade the rest of Minnesota's draft to Jacksonville, get the first pick in the second round, and grab Manti Te'o." Every time Roger Goodell went up to the microphone for the Vikings, I was half-expecting him to say Manti Te'o's name. I'm somewhat relieved that he didn't because linebacker isn't a big need for us. We actually drafted a middle linebacker in the 7th round last year named Audie Cole, and while he spent most of the season on the inactive roster, he lit it up in the preseason and showed a lot of potential for when he finally gets the opportunity to start. Plus, even though I would love to add another Notre Dame player to our roster (we currently have five "Golden Domers" on our roster; we also have a number of players from USC, Iowa, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas), I know the huge media attention that would come from drafting him after that whole fake girlfriend fiasco earlier this year. As talented as he might be, I prefer my team to be somewhat under the radar and let our players play do the talking. The New York Jets have the 7th pick in the 2nd round and they certainly need some talent on defense, so maybe they take Manti instead. He'd fit right in with that team's circus act and love of media attention. "I have actually watched one on TV yet." Was that the Texas race? 588. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 04.26.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ESPN is putting the Cup Lights Series presented by Monster Energy and Discount Tire on ESPNNews in the irrelevancy where it belongs in. 589. Baker posted: 04.26.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) What a damn joke. I never thought it was possible for the control of this sport to get even worse. Every time a team shows they are serious threats to take Hendrick to the woodshed in steps NASCAR to hand out unfair penalties. You people wonder why I have lost all respect for the sport and wonder why I have only come back to these blogs with negative comments. Its garbage like this I heard about on the news every week. I may never watch another NASCAR event after this garbage. I have already sworn off cup. Yeah, I think I am done until NASCAR gets new ownership and management. When Hendrick pulls stunts like this it is always swept under the rug or the team gets a slap on the wrist. NASCAR is by far the most obviously bias sport I have ever watched. I hear people complain about the Yankees, Lakers and Patriots getting all the calls. I say BS none of those leagues compare to the blatant over the top favortism NASCAR shows Hendrick. I hope there is a floor in the hole of heaven that shows the pain and suffering in hell so I can check in from time to time to see Rick Hendrick, Jimmie Johnson, Gordon, Helton, France ect. getting what the deserve for all eternity. I am officially done with anything and everything NASCAR. Anyway interested in buying my 1/64 diecast collection or tickets to the Eldora Truck race? 590. Anonymous posted: 04.26.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Good. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. 591. NicoRosbergFan posted: 04.26.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Baker, really classy. You get your comment deleted, so you re-post the same disgusting comment AND you thumbs down my comment. Just one thing. With an attitude like that, you won't be looking down to hell to see them. Odds are more likely you will be with them or looking up at them. I hope the Redskins get a strong RT to pair opposite Trent Williams. 592. Paul posted: 04.26.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I hope the Redskins get a strong RT to pair opposite Trent Williams." It's too bad the 'Skins didn't trade up to get Lane Johnson before the Eagles did, then they would have had two Sooners book-ending the offensive line. (Have I ever told you guys that I'm a big OU fan?) It sort of depresses me that a player on my favorite college football team is now playing for my least favorite NFL team. I've never been a Redskins fan as my allegiance had always been toward the Cowboys (although I'm now leaning towards the Giants just because I'm tired of the current Cowboys regime), but they are a much classier organization than the Eagles and I would have preferred they obtained a stud offensive lineman like Lane Johnson than those damn East Coast birds. 593. Baker posted: 04.26.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nico, It was not the original Baker who reposted and thumbs downed your post bc the original Baker is me. Apparently it was some other hack who feels the same way I feel, but didn't have the balls to say what I said. Anyway it was not this Baker the real Baker, however, I still stand by my comments. Rick Hendrick and everyone surrounding him are just a bunch of low life scum. 594. The Long Shot posted: 06.26.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew: 44-Scott Riggs 595. StenhouseFan17 posted: 09.07.2013 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Would have likely been RSJ's first Cup win had NASCAR brought in the #2 before all of the sheet metal on the back of the car fell off. 596. RaceFanX posted: 02.23.2014 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fourth Gibbs car, the #81 Toyota, makes its only start of 2013 with Elliott Sadler driving (he was in his first year driving Gibbs' Nationwide entry). This race would be the only one in NASCAR for the #81's sponsor Alert Energy Gum as Wrigley's then-new caffeinated chewing gum was pulled off store shelves within three weeks of this race never to return. Wrigley's yanked it back from stores amid concerns about the product from the Food and Drug Administration about companies using too much caffeine in products including those likely to be consumed by kids (Alert was supposed to be aimed at adults 25 and older). The team was supposed to run with the Alert sponsorship at Kansas and then both Talladega races but it instead DNQed at Talladega in the spring with a green Doublemint paint job then didn't return in 2013. Sadler ran several races at the end of the season in Michael Waltrip's #55 Toyota. 597. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 04.24.2014 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew 44 Scott Riggs Ford JPO Absorbents John Cohen 598. Altracing posted: 01.11.2018 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Michael Waltrip Racing paid tribute to those who were affected by the Boston Marathon Bombings that took place the previous Monday by having their car's numbers resemble numbers that marathon runners would wear during a race. 599. RaceFanX posted: 09.16.2018 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @596 The FDA ultimately never set up guidelines for caffeine in food and Alert gum did come back on the market in the fall of 2017. Notably the product was renamed from Alert Energy Gum to Alert Caffeine Gum to spell out its ingredients more clearly. 600. Rich posted: 08.10.2020 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds and Darrell Waltrip were the commentators. Steve Byrnes, Matt Yocum and Krista Voda were the pit road reporters. Jeff Hammond was the roving reporter. Chris Myers and Michael Waltrip were in the Hollywood hotel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: