|| *Comments on the 2013 Coca-Cola 600:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.23.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy $#!* 196 mph at Charlotte?! 2. murb posted: 05.23.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Holy $#!* 196 mph at Charlotte?!" So fast. 3. Kenny posted: 05.23.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) Hears hoping we have as much fun this weekend as we did last do I hope kool ADR man at speedtv showed up and mickil waltrip shows up to make this all fun BTW I thank I got DSFF into MLP do ppl on hear who like this The final gear Jabber1990 Myself(kinda....love Rainbow Dash) DSFF 4. Talon64 posted: 05.23.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Denny Hamlin picks up his 14th career Cup pole, 2nd of 2013 and his 1st at Charlotte. 143rd career pole for the #11, most all time (#43 2nd with 122, #21 3rd with 110). 5. Kenny posted: 05.23.2013 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh and if Racefanx is reading this can we talk in IM again soon please? 6. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Do you guys realize this race next year will be the TWENTIETH anniversary of Gordon's first win? Where have the years gone? Surely next year they can come up with a throwback rainbow scheme. Even if it says APR on it. 7. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) NicoRosbergFan, why should you or anyone else be surprised at the speeds? Winter Testing showed that the speeds would be blindingly fast. In fact, they ended up slightly slower than I thought they'd be because I predicted a pole speed potentially of 198, so I was a little off there. But his qualifying session had surprises, starting at the very top with Denny Hamlin. Now winning the pole historically decreases his chances of winning the race, but I wouldn't put anything past him. It seems that, believing that both the #18 and #20 are already in the Chase, JGR is putting everything they have into the #11 team to get them into the Chase, despite Denny's 27th place position in points. Another surprise is Jeff Gordon. Although Gordon is one of the three or four greatest qualifiers in the history of Charlotte, the fact that he's close to the 48 car is very promising for their chances, as is the fact that the track's old character seems to be returning. Remember that he was the guy that figured to put Chevrolet in victory lane at Texas until he had a suspension problem late in that race, as he was the only Chevy driver capable of running with Kyle Busch and Martin Truex, Jr. Granted Gordon had better conditions under which to qualify than Johnson did, but the fact that he starts a row behind Johnson could make Gordon a serious contender for his first Coca-Cola 600 win in 15 years, if his car is fast jut after pit stops and if Gordon is willing to push it on restarts. Another pleasant surprise in qualifications was Danica Patrick. While we get on her because of how slow she usually is, the fact that she qualified 24th on this kind of track is what I would call a significant improvement. If she can just hold that position, I think they would be happy in the #10 camp. But then again, it might also be the fact that Charlotte is a big stage, and like her or not, Danica's history shows that, the bigger the stage, the better she performs. However, there were two immense disappointments in qualifying, and they would be Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. and Joey Logano, who were 30th and 31st, respectively. This is the kind of track that should be right up Stenhouse's alley, particularly for qualifying, but he and Logano were both outqualified by, among others, Casey Mears, J.J. Yeley, Danica, David Gililand, Travis Kvapil, and Trevor Bayne, all of whom are driving for low-budget teams, or in Bayne's case, a part-time team. Bayne, I can somewhat understand, but Mears, Yeley, Danica, Gililand, and Kvapil? That was terrible by those teams. Certainly conditions favored some of the others, but Bayne qualified at about the same time as Stenhouse and in what should be an inferior car, outqualified him, something he almost never did wen they were teammates with Roush's NNS team in two years together. 8. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Surely next year they can come up with a throwback rainbow scheme." I say just paint the car black. Why? Why not. They painted his 20th anniversary car silver, so let's just go all out with the silly paint schemes for the sake of diecast sales. "Another surprise is Jeff Gordon." A 5-time Charlotte winner qualifying 14th is a surprise to you? "While we get on her because of how slow she usually is, the fact that she qualified 24th on this kind of track is what I would call a significant improvement." J.J. Yeley qualified 23rd. I think that trumps your theory. 9. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) After all that went down on the last discussion, it's official: we bust out the fake names and satire whenever Jimmie Johnson wins. 10. Kenny posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And right when I thought Danica was starting to get a little love Paul you take it away XD Btw why do they qualify for this race on a Thursday night?(I've always wonderd that) 11. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Paul, the fact that Gordon qualified so close to Jimmie Johnson was what surprised me, although as I said, quite a bit of that had to do with when they qualified. And I disagree with your point about J.J. Yeley's qualifying 23rd and Danica qualifying 24th meaning that Danica didn't do that well in qualifying. The fact is that she's never qualified this well on this type of track before in a Cup race. That's why I say she appears to be showing improvement, but that also shows just how terrible that Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. and Joey Logano were in their qualifying runs, qualifying 30th and 31st. And as I mentioned, Stenhouse did something he almost never did when he was Trevor Bayne's teammate with Roush's NNS team, and that is to get outqualified by him, and Bayne drives for team that's only running a third of the races this year, while Stenhouse drives for supposedly one of the best teams on the circuit, and this on a track that should be right up Stenhouse's alley, and Joey Logano was an equal disappointment, considering he finished second in the All-Star Race for the other powerful Ford team. And they both got outqualified by two Ford teams, one of which (the Wood Brothers) is running just a third of the races and the other (Front Row Motorsports) is on the bottom rung of the Ford ladder. Very disappointed in those two qualifying "efforts". 12. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the fact that Gordon qualified so close to Jimmie Johnson was what surprised me," It shouldn't. At Texas earlier this year, Johnson qualified 7th and Gordon qualified 8th. Gordon went on to have his best race of the season in that race. "And I disagree with your point about J.J. Yeley's qualifying 23rd and Danica qualifying 24th meaning that Danica didn't do that well in qualifying." I never said that she didn't do well, I'm just saying that her 24th place qualifying effort isn't all that impressive, especially considering the caliber of driver and team who qualified one spot ahead of her. "Danica's history shows that, the bigger the stage, the better she performs." Are you basing this off of her opening lap wreck in the 2012 Daytona 500, the Talladega race a few weeks ago when she wrecked herself, her 31st and 30th place finishes in last year's Southern 500 and Coca-Cola 600 races, or her 28th place finish two weeks ago in the Southern 500? And before you bring up her results in the Indianapolis 500, I just want to say this: This is not IndyCar, this is NASCAR. If it was true that drivers who perform well in the big races in other racing disciplines can transfer that same luck to NASCAR, Juan Pablo Montoya would have a few big oval victories right now. 13. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, but perhaps Montoya is the exception and not the rule, Paul. I'm just playing devil's advocate. 14. David posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) And she didn't really take herself out at Talladega. Her reckless boyfriend did. :) 15. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "perhaps Montoya is the exception and not the rule" Dario Franchitti and Sam Hornish, Jr. 16. murb posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "And she didn't really take herself out at Talladega. Her reckless boyfriend did. :)" What are you talking about? It was absolutely, hands down, without a doubt JJ Yeley's fault. *sarcastic smirk* 17. cjs3872 posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Paul, J.J. Yeley does have a good history at Charlotte. He finished second in the topsy-turvy 2007 Coca-Cola 600, and Dexter Stacey's team even asked him to run a few laps in his Nationwide car to give Dexter some feedback about the car. So his 23rd place qualifying effort may not have been that surprising, though it was as big a surprise as the others I mentioned, though I'm not sure how long he'll actually be in the race, as without any sponsorship, Yeley's effort looks like a start-and-park to me. And as for Danica's ability to perform on the big stage, have you already forgotten about this year's Daytona 500, when she ran up front the entire way? Sure, her Indianapolis 500 performances may not matter in relation to her NASCAR efforts, but thy were actually superior to most of her other IndyCar performances, as she actually had a chance to win the race at least three times that I know of, but her performance in this year's Daytona 500 even blew those performances out of the water. And those other times she wrecked were all caused by other drivers, and at Darlington and the other races you bring up, she only tried to get to the finish, which is what a driver of her experience level is supposed to do. And you mention last year's Coca-Cola 600, where she ran at the back, but she actually didn't run that much worse than her teammates did, Tony Stewart in particular, since he ran 25th himself most of the race. 18. Paul posted: 05.23.2013 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "have you already forgotten about this year's Daytona 500" How could I forget that, it was on all the sports channels for an entire week. Even the NFL Network mentioned Danica winning the pole and finishing 8th. But that's one good finish in a big race compared to five below average to bad finishes in her other big races. A 1:5 ratio of running well in the big NASCAR races? Not worthy of your claim that "the bigger the stage, the better she performs." 19. Paul posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "J.J. Yeley does have a good history at Charlotte." I have two memories of J.J. Yeley at Charlotte; one great, one ugly. We all remember his career-best 2nd place finish in the 2007 Coca-Cola 600 (perhaps the most random top five finishing order in NASCAR's modern era), but I have ugly memories of him coming down on Mark Martin in the 2006 fall race, causing Mark to hit the outside wall head-on and collecting Robby Gordon (who was also having a really good run) as well. He took out two good cars by making one stupid move, almost as if he was trying to get to pit road and didn't know Mark was there. I like Yeley and was happy for him when he finished 2nd the next time NASCAR went to Charlotte, but that bad decision in the 2006 fall race will always stick out to me, and is one of just two memories I have of Yeley at Charlotte. "Yeley's effort looks like a start-and-park to me." That's a safe bet. The Motorsports Group (Curtis Key's Nationwide team) has never had more than one car attempt the full distance in a race before (Reed Sorenson is in the primary car). Yeley is good enough to put them in the show, but it's definitely a start-and-park car. 20. cjs3872 posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, when I said J.J. Yeley's effort looked like a start-and-park to me, I was referring to his Cup effort in Tommy Baldwin's #36 car, despite the mid-pack qualifying run for the Coca-Cola 600, not his effort in the Nationwide Series. 21. Paul posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My bad, cjs. But I wouldn't be too sure about Yeley start-and-parking in the Cup race this weekend. He was unsponsored at Darlington two weeks ago, and while he finished well down the running order, he did run the full distance. I wouldn't be surprised either way whether the #36 car runs the full race or not. 22. jabber1990 posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) does anyone remember my idea about how Denny should have engaged in minor-leage rehabilitation? disregard 23. Paul posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it's a crying shame that the World of Outlaws race at Charlotte tomorrow night won't be televised, considering how both Cup and Nationwide have Friday off from on-track activities. SPEED will be broadcasting the V8 Supercars tomorrow (including a replay), but I think it's pretty sad that they'll be airing reality shows instead at the same time as the WoO race. 24. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) C'Mon guys, we all know The Baroness wrecked at Talladega because Terry Labonte came down and clipped her. Didn't you guys hear her interview? 25. Sector posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't care for the Odds nor pay any attention to it, but this is the first time I've seen an odd go half. Jimmie Johnson a 4.5-1? Wowzer. Okay, back to not caring. Have a feeling Kenseth will be the lap leader of the race again. Go Kenseth! If Denny ends up making the chase, then somehow wins the Chase..it will be a huge upset, no lie, & surprising. It'll be fun watching Hamlin all the way to Richmond. 26. joey2448 posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you think the 4.5-1 odds for Jimmie Johnson is weird, I heard on SportsCenter the other day that the Miami Heat are 5-21 odds to win the NBA title this year. That means that if you put down $21 that the Heat will win, you will actually LOSE money (only $5 in return). How ridiculous is that??? My question is, if a bet on the Heat will cost you money, then it's a given that nobody will bet on them, which in turn means they're not the favorite, right? I'm not sure how that works, lol...someone please explain this to me. 27. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Danica in 24th doesn't surprise me. Charlotte is an intermediate tracks. Intermediate track = hack track. Hack track means no talent is required; if the car is fast, the driver is fast. 28. Anthony posted: 05.24.2013 - 7:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Newman odds of 100-1 Wow... Jimmie Johnson is 4.5-1 that my friend we had enough of Jimmie Johnson. Why can't there be a Jeff Gordon Tony Stewart Brad Keselowski Kurt Busch or any of the guys who have not been to victory lane! This Jimmie Johnson better and i mean BETTER not win Charlotte if he does all the fans of NASCAR will have more boos then Kurt Kyle & Jeff Gordon. 29. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 05.24.2013 - 7:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the best the Gibbs cars have been on intermediates since the early noughties with Stewart and Labonte. Especially since Hamlin and Busch have been so hit and miss over the course of their careers on the intermediates 30. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 9:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Great weather on Sunday for the Coke 600 is Monaco. Only worry is Indy which has a relatively low 40% but ever increasing chance of showers for Sunday and the trends don't look great according to the local WISHTV 8 guys. 31. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 9:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Coke 600 AND Monaco. 32. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosberg, if you think Charlotte is a 'Hack Track' with the balance of lifting points and the turn 3 and 4 bumps not to mention the wall that sticks out at you coming off turn 4 then you are crazy. Texas is the same and many drivers will tell you turn 2 there is one of the hardest oval corners on the Circuit. It does reward a good car/engine though which she likely has. 33. cjs3872 posted: 05.24.2013 - 10:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, how then, does that explain the terrible qualifying runs by Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. and Joey Logano, because they're both in top-flight equipment, and they were 30th and 31st, well behind Danica and even Casey Mears (21st) and J.J. Yeley (23rd)? You're saying, in effect, that the driver doesn't matter in a qualifying run at Charlotte, when it does. Certainly equipment also matters, but so does the driver. 34. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) By that logic Indianapolis is a hack track as Ed Carpenter a guy who is an off-pace back maker on road courses or any track you have to brake or lift sat on the pole. Really the hardest track this weekend is Monaco. 35. jabber1990 posted: 05.24.2013 - 10:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) assuming this is a "hack track" name the talentless hacks that have won at Charlotte? specifically the coke 600 36. The Long Shot posted: 05.24.2013 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "name the talentless hacks that have won at Charlotte? specifically the coke 600" The closest thing to a talentless hack that has won at Charlotte was Casey Mears in 2007. (And by talentless hack, I mean that Mears always underperformed over at Hendrick and RCR. However, he's shown some real improvement over at Germain Racing, and I have become a fan of his. Just clarifying.) 37. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.24.2013 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because Danica Patrick's car has so much freaking money invested in it that someone like Jeff Gordon or Kyle Busch would have been top-10 or top-5 in it. 38. Bronco posted: 05.24.2013 - 11:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The closest thing to a talentless hack that has won at Charlotte was Casey Mears in 2007." Mears is not a talentless hack. He almost won Homestead 2005 before a late debris caution ended his chances, and he did a decent job driving the #07 Jack Daniels car in 2009 and actually outperformed Harvick for most of the season. 39. We need more Onion posted: 05.24.2013 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And to cjs: "how then, does that explain the terrible qualifying runs by Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. and Joey Logano, because they're both in top-flight equipment, and they were 30th and 31st, well behind Danica and even Casey Mears (21st) and J.J. Yeley (23rd)?" Well, the Germain car is more and more becoming top 20-25 equipment, easily faster than other backmarkers including the #47, Yeley is just good at Charlotte or I don't know, surprised me to see him at 23rd. For the slow attempts by Stenhouse and Logano; Ricky is just a rookie with no previous cup races at Charlotte, while Logano is prone to 'run out of talent' and have a few races running around 30th place. 40. We need more Onion posted: 05.24.2013 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Something just came into my mind; After Pro Mazda and F2000, why don't the trucks run a night race at IRP this weekend? NASCAR and Indycar aren't that friendly with eachother? Or just because f*ck the coolest tracks? 41. 83andJoe posted: 05.24.2013 - 11:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ IRP doesn't meet NASCAR's safety standards anymore. Note the VERY low wall on the backstretch and the lack of SAFER barriers. Nationwide and Trucks had basically run there under an exemption for some time. Upgrading IRP to the proper safety standards would be prohibitily expensive, even with the possiblity of waiving the SAFER requirement as has been discussed w.r.t. some of the shortest tracks (i.e. Eldora). Basically, NHRA (who owns IRP) didn't think it was worthwhile to spend the money to upgrade the track, so NASCAR finally went elsewhere. 42. We need more Onion posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks 83andJoe; I thought safety is not the reason, knowing that they raced there until 2011. But it is sad to know that one of my favorite tracks is probably going to be out of NASCAR for a long time, if it will ever return. 43. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, the biggest focus and money maker for IRP has always been the U.S. Nationals over at the Strip. The Road to Indy thing there is a payed for slot by Mazda and will be lucky to attract 5,000 spectators. 44. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does the Indy Lights race really only have 11 cars? Wow... 45. murb posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ricky is just a rookie with no previous cup races at Charlotte" He actually made his debut in the 2011 Coke 600 for the Wood Brothers. I don't know why big deals are being made about some of these guys' qualifying runs. Sometimes you qualify well, sometimes you qualify bad. That's just how it goes. 46. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.24.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, TPB, the Indy Lights race only has 10 cars now lol. 47. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Epic Indy Lights finish 48. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NOW THAT WAS A F***ING FINISH!!!!!! Just cancel the damn Indy 500, definitely cancel the Brickyard 400, and sure as hell get riid of that stupid as hell NWide race. Nothing will top this at Indy this year. Just shut it down for the year. 49. 13 posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Incredible indy lights finish! 50. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Indy 500 you'll see good racing but nothing like that as the slipstream sends you right by the guy in front. More like a hanford device race, here in Indy Lights whenever someone goes side by side you get stuck and the guys single file behind you come up faster. That's why you see a finish like that. 51. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First Indy Lights race at Indy with any decent passing. 52. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That's because usually this race finishes under yellow. 53. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) All racing just needs to be cancelled for the rest of the year, nothing is gonna top that. Hell, Inwatched this race by accident. I heard Bob Jenkins voice, got nostalgic, and stuck around. A 4 wide finish at Indy? And a shoutout to the NBCSports announce team, putting a great finish in perspective without the over the top hyperbole we are all too familiar with in NASCAR coverage (they would say all racing should be cancelled for the rest of the year and actually mean it unlike me). If The Three Stooges (Darrell, Larry, and Mike) were calling that, they would have declared it the greatest moment in the history of the world, then had their heads explode. Here was my thoughts from the exit of Turn 3 to the finish line: "Awesome, there is gonna be a side by side finish" "Holy S**t, there is gonna be a THREE wide finish" "HOLY F***ING S**T, FOUR CARS OVER THE LINE COMPLETELY SIDE BY SIDE!!!!" 54. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Carlos Munoz wins on Sunday history will officially be repeated in so many ways. I Don't think he will as I think it will be the Ganassi cars namely Dixon, but if he did there will be many odd historic coincidences. 55. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 2000: Year of Most Boring Daytona 500 in a long time Colombian Juan Pablo Montoya makes his Indycar Series Debut at the Indy 500 Montoya fast all month and draws both amazement and criticism for especially low line he is running (talk of win or crash) Colombian rookie Juan Pablo Montoya qualifies 2nd for the Indy 500 The Day before the 500, Juan Pablo Montoya finishes 4th at a race (CART Nazareth) Threatening and Increasing chance of Rain for the 500 on Sunday Colombian Rookie Juan Pablo Montoya dominates and wins debut Indy 500 and IRL race 2013: Year of the most boring Daytona 500 in history Colombian Carlos Munoz makes his Indycar Series debut at the Indy 500 Munoz quick all month and draws both amazement and criticism for especially low line he is running (talk of win or crash) Colombian Rookie Carlos Munoz qualifies 2nd for the Indy 500 The day before, Carlos Munoz finishes 4th at a race (Indy Lights) Threatening and increasing chance of rain for the 500 on Sunday ... 56. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *for 2013 meant most boring 500 in a long time. 57. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Lol, "Hello everyone, I'm Bob Jenkins". I wanted to yell "I know who you are, I heard your voice and stayed tuned just because of it due to the happy nostalgia it brings back. I sat through an entire race of people I have never heard of (and was rewarded with an epic freaking finish) hoping to hear that voice live again. Your voice was there for so many of my most cherished sports memories growing up. You are one of the people who represent what, in my opinion, is right about racing, a symbol of a much more innocent and fun time to me. Your comraderie with Ned and Benny was simply spectacular and something I feel so lucky to have listened to for so long. And I legitimately regret you weren't part of the broadcast team that got to call Dale's two biggest shining moments, his walk off record tying win at Rockingham '94, and him defining the word "overdue" in the '98 Daytona 500. But you were there for him becoming "the first man" to win the Brickyard 400, were there for his 4th Winston Cup clinching race in '90 with the proper mix of reverence and sorrow for the crew members of Bill Elliott. You were there to help an emotionally reeling Benny at Watkins Glen in '93 when he referred to the #28 driver as "Davey Allison" a month after his tragic passing as he tried to apologize, putting it all into perspective in a few brief seconds, saying everything that needed to be said at the time. You were there during the golden years. Then you got left out in the cold after '00, we lost Dale, we lost Rockingham, we lost dates at Darlington and Atlanta. We lost Winston (horribly unhealthy product, but excellent at promoting the SPORT). We gained "Brian France: CEO". We gained boogity boogity. We gained Jimmie Johnson. We gained the Busch Brothers. We gained the chase. We gained Chicago, Kansas, and Kentucky. We gained Labor Day weekend at California for 5 long years. We gained tons of fans dressed as empty seats. We gained tons of clicks of the remote away from our sport. We gained Danica. We gained "history". And now, just hearing your voice makes me extraordinarily nostalgic, and I have stayed tuned just to hear one of the few remaining links to NASCAR's fun past". I wish it was March 1993 again. 58. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Good news is NBC may take over both TNT and ESPN's slots in NASCAR schedule in the next tv contract and apparently are offering "Big Money" to do so. 59. Cooper posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Time to shut down the industry, everything from here on out will just not compare. Goosebumps man. That was probably the greatest finish I've ever seen in any sporting event. 60. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Although, NBC was the same network that brought us the incredible "AND I'M BILL WEBER" 61. murb posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That Indy Lights finish just made the Craven/Busch Darlington finish look like a child. Absolutely outstanding. Never seen anything like that. 62. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you want NASCAR and Indycar to be like that then reduce the HP Levels to 300... Something tells me that woudn't be popular. 63. murb posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "AND I'M BILL WEBER" I heard that he's a magician now, lol. 64. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carb Day at Indy really should be called Drunk Day and anybody who's been to it can tell you why. 65. Paul posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I heard that he's a magician now" He's also a play-by-play announcer for a power boat racing series on the NBC Sports Network. I've watched a few times and he's actually pretty good at covering that sport. 66. cjs3872 posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And of course DSFF, there are the other calls made by Jenkins, of one which comes to mind with Dale Jarrett being elected into NACAR's Hall of Fame, not to mention his call of the end of the first Brickyard 400 in 1994, and what to you has to be his most infamous call, "and both of them spin!!!", from the fall race at North Wilkesboro in 1989, which he says changed his voice forever. But what you say about Jenkins' reactions in the 1990 season finale at Atlanta, which is similar to Jim McKay's calling of the second half of the 1973 Indianapolis 500, which was also muted due to the crash of Swede Savage and the death of Armando Teran. There was emotion in their voices, which you don't hear any of today from any of the commentators, regardless of the network carrying the event. 67. Smiff_2 posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For those of you who want to see it now that it's been talked about so much, here's a link to the IndyLights finish from yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp1klmtsWQA All I can say is this: HOLY F***!!! :D 68. Paul posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul Menard has re-signed with RCR. He had reportedly been courting with both RCR and JGR over the past month or so, and ultimately agreed to return to RCR with a new multi-year contract. Considering his level of talent and driving style in comparison to his team, I'd say he made the right decision to stay at RCR. 69. murb posted: 05.24.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He had reportedly been courting with both RCR and JGR over the past month or so, and ultimately agreed to return to RCR with a new multi-year contract." JGR? Hmm. I hadn't heard that. So much for Sadler being first on their radar for a fourth Cup team. 70. Sean posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "But then again, it might also be the fact that Charlotte is a big stage, and like her or not, Danica's history shows that, the bigger the stage, the better she performs." I'll at least understand your "big stage" arguments to some extent when it comes to actually WINNING a race, but not when it comes to matching the level of your equipment in top ten cars and not doing any better. Okay, so Danica Patrick has top ten finishes in both the Daytona 500 and Indy 500. J.J. Yeley also achieved that with his far less hyped top ten this year. Who cares? Would you similarly argue for Yeley because he got a top ten in Indy (the year Cheever won, the worst 500 winner of the last 50 years), a top ten at Daytona this year (and he did both of those in much worse equipment than Danica has had), and a fuel-mileage 2nd place in the 600 once? No. Neither of them were actually threats in either race. And Charlotte has totally lost its cachet since the levigating incident. As for the Indy 2005 argument... First off, Buddy Rice (himself one of the weaker Indy winners) WON in the Rahal car that year, Takuma Sato (at the time career-winless) almost won driving for Rahal last year, and even BERTRAND BAGUETTE in 2011 led the race late for Rahal due to fuel mileage. They always have good stuff at Indy (except this year, apparently...) Danica's CAREER-WINLESS teammate Vitor Meira finished 2nd in the year she finished 4th and got no attention. Kenny Brack, making his one-race comeback, set the fastest qualifying speed in the field (although not on the first day of qualifying so he started mid-pack). The Hondas of Andretti Green and Rahal Letterman BY FAR had the best cars that year, and she finished 4th. And that was a lucky 4th. She was only that high in the race because she had caused a 4 or 5 car wreck with about 40 laps left that allowed her to extend her fuel mileage at the end, and then she wrecked fellow rookie (and 4-time Champ Car champion) Sebastien Bourdais out of 4th with 2 laps to go to win ROTY. It was hardly a stellar performance. She DID pass Dan Wheldon on that restart, but really I kinda think he just let her by knowing she'd have to give the spot back since she didn't have enough fuel left to run hard enough to stay in the lead, and he just wanted to give the fans something to cheer about. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it's still what I think. It says something that at the driver's meeting subsequent Texas race, Buddy Rice wore a t-shirt that said "Danica's teammate", Vitor Meira wore a t-shirt that said "Danica's other teammate", and Wheldon wore a shirt that said "Actually won the Indy 500". I do not consider her Indy performances anything special. In the only year she fought for the lead, she finished a lucky 4th with a car strong enough to win after wrecking five cars out of the race and not managing to wreck herself. In all other years, she has led the race solely due to pit strategy, and most of her Andretti years were shallow years where only the Penske, Ganassi, Andretti, and Panther cars were remotely competitive in the 500 (the field is WAY deeper now). Sorry, her finishing record does not impress me, and I think even Sarah Fisher might have done better in what she had (considering she was more of a racer), and Simona de Silvestro for sure. However, kinda knocking JPM for winning in the overwhelming best car at Indy in 2000 (yes, it was the best car, but he was also overwhelmingly the best driver since the other CART drivers didn't enter and Al Unser, Jr. was FAR over the hill) and saying he got lucky in that Michigan 500 duel with Michael Andretti (he did, but Danica barely even FOUGHT in a battle like that anytime in her career, let alone winning it) and praising Danica's Indy performances where she at best drove at the level of her equipment and I'd say usually didn't even do that seems wrong-headed. 71. Sean posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Even though I've been a bigger IndyCar fan than NASCAR fan the past couple years, I've been avoiding Indy Lights because of the hysterical car count (and considering that two men, Michael Andretti and Sam Schmidt, basically own all the cars...) I guess I was wrong. Having watched it on YouTube, that was a fantastic finish. No, the Indy 500 will never have a 4-wide finish but last year's DID have the most lead changes and was reminiscent of all the CART Hanford device races at Michigan/Fontana from 1998-2002, several of which are contenders for the best oval race ever run (any series) in their own right, especially the aforementioned Montoya/Andretti duel, so I don't think Indy will be much worse, since the drafting is still going to be the same as it was last year. As for Munoz, he is HARDLY going to duplicate Montoya's 2000 performance. Montoya was a fake rookie anyway since he already entered as the defending CART champion, and 4th in a 28-car (or whatever) CART race at Nazareth with only about 5 or 6 bad drivers in it is certainly much more significant than 4th in a 12-car Indy Lights race (and the IRL-heritage Indy Lights series, after the CART Indy Lights series ended, has only produced 3 IndyCar winners, Ed Carpenter, Marco Andretti, and James Hinchcliffe, and few would call the first 2 great...) Not to mention that the 2000 Indy 500 was half filled with bad drivers while the current field has almost none. It was easy to make fun of Ed Carpenter in past years due to getting a ride thanks to being Tony George's stepson, but I'll admit he's a good high-speed oval driver now. It was easy to make fun of Marco given that he's barely done more than Danica (but at least he actually fights for the lead, and ever since he hired Kimi Raikkonen's old F1 driving coach, he's become as credible on road courses as he is on ovals and might yet turn into a good driver). It was easy to make fun of Takuma Sato and E.J. Viso for their crashing but Sato is leading the points in the Foyt car and is driving smart (which he wasn't doing for KV or Rahal) and Viso, although he hardly deserves an Andretti ride, has been clean ever since he punted Dario in the pits in last year's 500, so there are few drivers I wouldn't say belong. No Hiro Matsushitas, Milka Dunos, or Marty Roths this time. It would be hilarious if Munoz did win, but he ain't no Montoya. He ain't even a Roberto Guerrero. But yeah, after the last 2 Indy 500s (the best since the split by far) and that Indy Lights finish, not to mention the IndyCar season in general where the Ganassi and Penske cars look mortal and even people in theoretically underfunded cars like Sato can be highly competitive means I have no idea what's going to happen (the latter years of the split when Champ Car was simply a Newman-Haas/Forsythe show and IndyCar was simply a Penske/Ganassi/Andretti show were indeed ugly...) I don't even give a hoot about the 600. And I was a MUCH bigger fan of NASCAR in the '90s (although I have been watching all the races on both sides of the split on YouTube, some, but not all of which I watched at the time, to further educate myself the past several months). As for NBC Sports, they really are the new ESPN as far as racing is concerned. What racing does ESPN even have left? Half the Cup season, all the Nationwide races, all the NHRA races, and most of the ALMS races on tape-delay? They used to have SO MUCH MORE back in the '90s when ESPN SpeedWorld actually meant something (and they actually covered EVERYTHING). NBC Sports, which is covering all the F1 schedule (some on NBC), all the IndyCar schedule (except for the 5 races on ABC), all the Indy Lights schedule, some minor league NASCAR races, some other major racing events like the Chili Bowl and the Dakar Rally, etc... they really are turning into what ESPN used to be for motorsports fans (well, except for leaving Indy 500 qualifying before it ended to go to the Preakness Post-race show). All they need is to add some more dirt racing (some equivalent of Saturday Night Thunder) and for NBC to land Cup again and this could be huge... ABC/ESPN have totally condescended to racing fans everywhere by treating the two pillars of their operation (Bob Jenkins and Paul Page) like absolute crap. Yeah, I understand after ESPN lost its NASCAR coverage that Jenkins needed to go somewhere, hence why he ended up as the IRL play-by-play guy with Page as the CART play-by-play guy. Then when ESPN dropped its CART coverage after 2001, PAGE needed to go somewhere so they both ended up on the IRL broadcasts, and they saw that as crowded. So they just dumped Jenkins completely after 2003 and put Page in the booth by himself. Obnoxious to Jenkins, but I suppose understandable. Page was more associated with IndyCar racing than Jenkins was even though Jenkins DID call lots of CART races in the '80s. The problem is, why the hell did they fire Page after 2004 and replace him with Todd Harris (the man who would compare Danica to Sally Ride), and then Marty Reid (so boring)? Page got shunted to the NHRA (and the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest...wow), and I think most of us would agree that Page should have stuck with IndyCar and Reid should have stuck with the NHRA. Given what ESPN had just done to Page and Jenkins, we ALL should have fully understood that ESPN's current NASCAR package was going to be total crap. Yeah, I'm all for NBC coming back. Their IndyCar booth of Leigh Diffey, Wally Dallenbach, Jr., and Townsend Bell is great (although not as good as the booth of Bob Jenkins, Dallenbach, and Jon Beekhuis which they had before) and FAR better than the Sominex team of Marty Reid/Scott Goodyear/Eddie Cheever. Not only are Goodyear and Cheever boring, they're both IRL shills. If you want to truly present this as "united", you need a hard-core CART partisan and a hard-core IRL partisan in the same booth together, and chances are two such people would argue like Bobby Unser and Sam Posey used to, tripling the entertainment value. AT LEAST replace Scott Goodyear with Paul Tracy. But better yet, NBC just needs to replace ABC/ESPN entirely... 72. Sean posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "First off, Buddy Rice (himself one of the weaker Indy winners) WON in the Rahal car that year," Oops. Rice won the PREVIOUS YEAR and was injured in practice for 2005, which is why Brack replaced him. But considering he still had the fastest qualifying speed (after a 1.5 year layoff after HIS injury), just as Rice had 2004, my point stands about Rahal's equipment. 73. murb posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Page got shunted to the NHRA (and the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest...wow)" I couldn't believe my ears when I accidentally flipped on the Hot Dog contest one 4th of July and heard Paul Page calling the "action". That right there shows how highly modern day ESPN thinks of motorsports and the analysts that cover it. What a joke. I can't wait until NBC Sports (hopefully) becomes the new coverage juggernaut. 74. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, what a brilliant tirade. Does anyone else feel like the NASCAR (all networks) announcers all wet themselves when they talk about either a) how great and perfect Danica is, b) the latest scripted drama of the week, or c) one of their golden boys? 75. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Indycar cant replace ABC until 2018... Another genious television contract move on their part. 76. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Ed Carpenter'Good high Speed Oval driver?' Well then how come He was bitching and complaining on the radio about the package at Texas last year when they took off the downforce and drivers had to actually lift? Turning Left flat footed doesn't make you a good driver, by that Logic Danica Patrick is. 77. Kenny posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's been happening guys I got called into work today so now I've had time to unwind alittle so what's up? 78. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If there were more racing fans in the states then there would be more racing networks. Go look at NBC Sports television ratings, it can be argued they're what is keeping Indycar's popularity so far back from what it could be. 79. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm gonna bring up the biggest reason for the drop in quality of Indy coverage in the middle to late 00's and NASCAR's even bigger dip recently, and that is because of The Albatross That Is Danica Patrick. With her celebrity, when she is in the field the networks completely abandon the every day race fan and bend over backwards to appeal to the casual fans tuning in just to see her under the ridiculous belief they will become lifelong race fans. Not only does this not work, it pisses off the loyal fans and drives them away, so once the casual fan gets bored, all that is left is the loyal fan who is completely disinfranchised. Then throw in the biggst problem with this the fact that TATIDP is not even remotely close to big league caliber in driving abilty. I'm just gonna say it, her Indy career sucked. One lucky win (with half the field 1000 miles away) and not contending any other time hardly despite being on some really good teams. And her stock car career has been a complete embarrassment so far. So the TV coverage is all about covering the horrible runs of TATIDP. And her albatross ability to the teams she drives for has been well documented. As for her "performing her best on big stages", could it be the biggest stages (Daytona for NASCAR, Indy for open wheel) are tracks where you put the gas to the floor all the way around? This is another reason why I put a lot less emphasis on "crown jewel" events than some here. They are sort of arbitrary. I'm gonna say it again, why isn't Martinsville a crown jewel? History? Check. Track unchanged except for surface adjustments? Check. Cherished trophy? Check. Many legendary battles between legends over every generation? Check. And here is another question, how differently would we view Bobby Allison's and Rusty Wallace's "big race prowess" if it were a major? Rusty won there 7 times 18 years between his first and last win there. In my opinion the biggest fluke stat in NASCAR history, Bobby never won at Martinsville. Just too arbitrary and not a good enough representation of versatility. The Daytona 500 and the Spring Talladega race (500 miles on those big superspeedways), as well as the Southern 500 and the World 600 (long, hot, grueling survival tests) are both practically sister events. 80. David posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I heard that he's a magician now, lol" Oh, he's always been a magician. Even during broadcasts he performed the impressive trick of causing TVs everywhere to mute suddenly. It's too bad other magicians know that same trick, now. :) 81. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sadly, most Americans today care about the 'celebrity factor.' It's garbage, and really gets me angry. Instead of talking about how good the racing ( Clean Air NASCAR I'm looking at you) is or what the latest innovation to the cars is (Spec Chassis Indycar I'm looking at you) we instead get countless useless updates on Danica Poutrick, Joonyer (although that has leveled off in recent years), or Mr Judd, and this is especially true on the FOX and ABC Networks. Here in Europe it is going to same way as well sadly and this has been brought forward with F1's human soap opera known as Lewis Hamilton. Like I said, I sure as hell hope NBC buys rights to second half of NASCAR and NBCSN gets more popular, or else Motorsport in the United States truly is SCREWED. 82. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenny, the Indy Lights series had a 100 mile race at IMS today. It is set up to be like the NWide series for the IRL, but the car counts barely crack the double digits and the racing is a bit of a running joke (in this race, a car spun out on the pace laps). But today they had a 3 car breakaway on the final lap with a 4th car kinda straggling back. The first two got two wide on the back stretch and the 3rd car made it 3 wide entering entering Turn 3 (ironically in a move that would make the most famous Driver #3 ever, Earnhardt, proud) and they raced 3 wide all the way through Turn 3, down the short chute, and through Turn 4, and down the front straight, with nobody getting an advantage. This allowed the straggling 4th place car to not only catcht them coming to the flag, he drafted up next to them making it 4 wide across the line, with that 4th place car ending up taking the win! Epic. Look for it on YouTube. It is the Indy Lights Freedom 100 2013. 83. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, on NBCSN, I heard a rumour from a VERY credible source, as in a commentator from the network, that NBCSN is looking for expanded rights to ARCA which includes full length TD broadcasts of all races and some live. 84. The Long Shot posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just watched the finish for the first time. A truly incredible finish, but guys, "never seen anything like it?" Almost the exact same thing happened at Talladega back in 2011, except it was in Sprint Cup and featured Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Carl Edwards, and Clint Bowyer racing to the line 4-wide. Margin of victory? 0.002 seconds, equal to the margin of victory today. We had an incredible three-wide finish at the Nationwide race at Dega just a few weeks ago that got taken away due to a caution. Heck, IndyLights used to own (it may still; I don't know) the Guinness World Record for the closest finish ever in a car race when Logan Gomez beat Alex Lloyd to the line by 0.0005 seconds in the 2007 race at Chicagoland. Don't get me wrong: this is easily one of the 5 best racing finishes of all time, and I've never seen a finish like this before at Indy. But still, don't wet your pants too much, because we actually have seen finishes like this before. 85. Sean posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So Ed Carpenter'Good high Speed Oval driver?' Well then how come He was bitching and complaining on the radio about the package at Texas last year when they took off the downforce and drivers had to actually lift?" I was being nice. I can't stand him and do think he's one of the weaker drivers in the field and hate how he got his ride. I'll be royally pissed if he actually wins, but he's not going to. I agree with you that basically he just drives foot to the floor all the time. However, he's hardly the worst oval driver. Will Power would have found some way to lose both of those duels with Dario Franchitti...given his propensity to crash in every oval season finale. For all his whining, Carpenter DID finish 8th at Milwaukee and Iowa, probably the two ovals last year which DID take the most skill, in his self-owned equipment. Nothing to brag about, but yeah, I was just being nice. And my point was more that he didn't suck like Matsushita, Hattori, Duno, Roth, etc..., not that I thought he was great or anything. "If there were more racing fans in the states then there would be more racing networks. Go look at NBC Sports television ratings, it can be argued they're what is keeping Indycar's popularity so far back from what it could be." That's the debate. Would you rather have shitty coverage on ESPN and get higher ratings because people go there by default due to ESPN's "brand" (even though they are more interested in "telling stories" than unbiased coverage)...or would you rather have superior coverage on NBC Sports which nobody watches? "I'm gonna bring up the biggest reason for the drop in quality of Indy coverage in the middle to late 00's and NASCAR's even bigger dip recently, and that is because of The Albatross That Is Danica Patrick." It's worth noting that Danica's rookie season was the same year when ESPN replaced Paul Page with Todd Harris as the IRL play-by-play guy. Harris, as I said, was making Sally Ride comparisons to Danica and saying that everybody would remember where they were when she took the lead in the Indy 500. Well yeah, I was in my living room, same as any other race. Page would have put Danica Patrick in proper perspective, I believe, and she wouldn't have been able to ride the hyperbolic coverage to become a celebrity had Page been calling the race. (Unless he decided to totally sell out like Mike Joy has done on FOX.) 86. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If anybody has the time please go look at a full length IRL race from 2005, and then you'll see what we're talking about with Todd Harris. 87. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Will Power is an Excellent driver but his RACEcraft is terrible. Anytime he gets back in traffic he just drops back and back. 88. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, I'm sure Indycar's teams and 'sponsors' would MUCH rather the ESPN option. 89. We need more Onion posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @81 TeamPlayersB, I don't know where in Europe do you live, but you can't get worse than our great Royal Television Network, where the two guys sitting in the booth are constantly calling BOTH Williamses "Wurz" and never notice anyone running lower than 10th, let alone Bianchi's impressive runs. I'd rather have Hamilton drama over that any day. However NASCAR coverage here is quite nice (Cup is aired, going raw feed when U.S channels have ads, sometimes N'Wide aired too and 30-45 minute highlights in Hungarian), the commentators are former or current drivers and simracers, most know who to look out for and they are not falling for Danica. On the downside, they have never heard about the 'last 10' drivers, every race they get surprised to see Josh Wise and think about who he is like they've never seen him. 90. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol sounds like SKY SUCKS Network in the UK. 91. rtcrules posted: 05.24.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #26 "If you think the 4.5-1 odds for Jimmie Johnson is weird, I heard on SportsCenter the other day that the Miami Heat are 5-21 odds to win the NBA title this year. That means that if you put down $21 that the Heat will win, you will actually LOSE money (only $5 in return). How ridiculous is that???" This is incorrect. On a $21 bet you will win $5 walking out with $26 in your pocket. You're making money, just not a lot. Also, if NBC were to get NASCAR back I hope they treat it as a sport and not an event. Sports get covered and events get hyped. Don't go down the road boxing went down. Not every race is going to be the greatest race only until the next one comes around. 92. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.24.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Onion, you're in Hungary?! US coverage of F1 sucks. The entire broadcast is an idolatry-fest of the great Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton and finding ways to insult every other driver. I miss Champ Car. I don't know who they were, but THOSE announcers at the end (06, 07) knew their stuff. 93. joey2448 posted: 05.24.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up rtcrules... 94. cjs3872 posted: 05.24.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The Long Shot, there's a few differences between the finish of the Indy Lights race today and some of those other races. First, they actually did something at sped that you probably won't see any of the rows do in turns three and four prior to the Indianapolis 500, and that's to stay in a perfect three-abreast formation. If anyone saw that, they'd know exactly how they should line up in a row for the Indianapolis 500, because that was textbook at almost twice the speed of the start. Also, the fact that they could race three abreast throughout the entireties of turns three and four and not run out of room was astounding, though that allowed the fourth car to get in there and beat all three of them, but nobody made a mistake. And another thing that made this finish so much greater than a finish at Talladega was that these are open wheel cars, so you hardly ever see them three abreast at any place on the track, much less four abreast. And the fact that they're open wheel cars means they can't touch, or disaster would happen. Take a look at the start of the 1973 Indianapolis 500 or Tom Sneva's crash in the 1975 Indianapolis 500, and you'll see two graphic demonstrations of what happens when open wheel cars touch. You see two and three abreast finishes in NASCAR frequently because they can touch and even bang on each other and not do very much harm at all to the cars. The finish of the 2003 400-mile race at Darlington is proof of that. I think the finish of today's Indy Lights race ranks right up there with the 1959 and 1976 Daytona 500s among the three greatest in motorsports history, regardless of the track and the level of competition. Even though only 11 cars started, nobody really cared because the finish more than made up for it. Another thing about the Indy Lights race that the IndyCar drivers in the 500 should take note of is how intelligently the race was run, because it was one of the most intelligently run races I've ever seen. They didn't pass and repass, taking the risk of something happening, but instead hung back, electing to use the draft to help them, and they also knew that the lead was the one place you didn't want to be on the final lap, so they just waited, and when the final lap came, all "you know what" broke loose, as they say. Again, these guys actually raced with their heads and not just their right foot. If only racers across the disciplines of racing could figure that out, there wouldn't be near the crashes you see in the sport, because the only lap that truly counts s the last one, and these guys, unlike other drivers we see in NASCAR and IndyCar (and I won't name names, but we all know the drivers I'm referring to here), actually realized that today. 95. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.24.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hey guys, when is the Monaco F1 race on for Sunday, and will it be televised? if so, what channel? 96. Sean posted: 05.24.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Live, 7:00 AM ET on NBC 97. ch posted: 05.24.2013 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's on at 7:30 am on NBC. 98. The Long Shot posted: 05.24.2013 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 7 AM?! Count me out. I'll be in bed if anybody asks. And again, cjs makes me seem like a fool with his elite racing mind. It's fine, it's fine. I haven't been watching racing for long (about 5 years now), and I'm sure he's been watching racing for several times that. Seriously cjs, have you ever considered writing your own column? You and Paul would be better than the majority of NASCAR analysts nowadays. 99. 13 posted: 05.24.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC sports will rerun at 11 i think 100. David posted: 05.24.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "You and Paul would be better than the majority of NASCAR analysts nowadays". Almost all of them. We've been trying to get them to write a column somewhere, but they're too modest and keep refusing. ;) 101. Kenny posted: 05.24.2013 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just wanna say something 1 Menard renued his contract with RCR 2 Paul page(cool guy) That is all :) 102. Cornys posted: 05.24.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC's F1 coverage is amazing :) I'm not even an F1 fan and I enjoy watching their broadcasts. It's like watching a real race broadcast :x.. I havn't seen anything like it since I was about 5 years old (1998) and watching. That's really really sad now that I think about it. NBC's Indy coverage isn't bad though either. I hope that NBC gets NASCAR, but doesn't try to make it "popular" and just tries to make it racing. This is what they have done with their other series'. Am I the only one who thinks that the Lights race was a little lack-luster until the end? :shrug:. The end though made it all worth it. :)))) Monoco is the most difficult track this weekend, but it also produces the most boring races consistantly of the three major races. Charlotte sadly isn't much behind, but I wouldn't be surprized to see that change. If it's a short run to this finish though the Gen-6 car is crap. The lap cars reduce the clean air advantage though it seems and around the middle to end of a green flag run there is good racing and the possibility of a great finish. Indy's draft will be interesting, but the high speeds always concern me. Hopefully all come home safely from all races this weekend, but I especially worry about Indy. Rooting for Denny in the 600 though, and I was happy to see him get the pole. Hopefully it will be a good weekend of racing, and hopefully I'll be able to watch it all :)) 103. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.24.2013 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Depends Corny's if the 600 has a Richmond-esque green white checkered or short run then we could have a great finish. We saw how much fresh tyres mattered in Segments 2 and 3, too bad NASCAR ruined it with the Dumb "Mandatory 4 tire stop" crap at the end. I don't care how boring it is at least the 600 will be an actual auto race unlike the ALL-FARCE last weekend. What Sucks is that it's looking like Indy (the one Memorial Weekend Sunday race you don't want it to rain) could see showers and storms on Sunday while Monaco (the one Memorial Weekend Sunday race you want it to rain) is almost perfectly Sunny. 104. Jim Davis posted: 05.24.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And another thing that made this finish so much greater than a finish at Talladega was that these are open wheel cars, so you hardly ever see them three abreast at any place on the track, much less four abreast. And the fact that they're open wheel cars means they can't touch, or disaster would happen." The implication of this line of thinking is that the closest stock car finishes can never, ever be as good or exciting as the closest open wheel finishes. What's good or exciting is all subjective but I personally find stock cars bouncing off each other while skilled drivers keep them under control as they approach the finish line more exciting that watching open wheel aces trying to avoid each other. But I get the opposite viewpoint. 105. The Long Shot posted: 05.24.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The implication of this line of thinking is that the closest stock car finishes can never, ever be as good or exciting as the closest open wheel finishes. What's good or exciting is all subjective but I personally find stock cars bouncing off each other while skilled drivers keep them under control as they approach the finish line more exciting that watching open wheel aces trying to avoid each other. But I get the opposite viewpoint." I agree with this. Like I said before, I can see how people can get really excited for this, considering really good open wheel finishes are few and far between, but I prefer the insanity of last lap finishes at Talladega. 106. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.24.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks guys for the times. I'll wake up as early as possible to check it out! Also, that Indy Lights event: HOLY ****! No, I've NEVER seen or even DREAMED of something like that occuring! 4-wide at the finish!? HOLY ****! 107. 13 posted: 05.25.2013 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a question about Trevor Bayne. Why doesnt his 6 NNS team use practice time wisely it seems all they do is qualifying runs every practice why is that? 108. cjs3872 posted: 05.25.2013 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well 13, that could also be a part of the apparent disconnect between him and his crew chief, who seems to prefer a driver to hustle the car, which is what the Nationwide car needs, while Bayne is more out of the Matt Kenseth-mold in that he'll just let the race come to him. Mike Kelley, and for that matter, all of Roush's crew chiefs, seems to want to have their cars set up loose, while Bayne seems to like a tighter car. There just seems to be a disconnect between Bayne and his team, and it might be a philosophical difference. I also think Bayne enjoys it more when he drives for the Wood Brothers because his personality and driving style fit that team far more than it does Roush, which is why he could be a good fit for Richard Petty's team, because they've always raced and looked at things the same way as does the Wood Brothers. Jamie McMurray never fit well at Roush either, and for the same reasons, and look at what he did when he left. I just don't think Bayne fits Roush, nor do I think his style fits what the Nationwide Series cars require in a driver, which is why he's always struggled there, even when he first arrived, because he actually performed better before he got there than he has since he's been there. 109. Mr X posted: 05.25.2013 - 9:08 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) 3rd straight pole for Nico Rosberg, with teammate Lewis Hamilton just a tenth behind on the front row. 110. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.25.2013 - 9:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Hell yeah! 111. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.25.2013 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What on earth is going on during Nationwide qualifying? 3 crashes already. 112. AveryNH posted: 05.25.2013 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Make that four spins as Pastranna scared the hell out of everyone on pit road except Matt Kenseth, who flinches for no man or machine. 113. The Long Shot posted: 05.25.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh dear lord. Both of the "Wrecks Weekly" brothers, John and Steve, in one race? I'm not sure I can stomach watching this race. 114. Scott B posted: 05.25.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica's crew changing an engine because of an "oil leak"... hmm, something tells me there's more to it than that. Anyway, Princess starts in the back for the 600. 115. 13 posted: 05.25.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2 people blow engine within a minute of each other in practice, Burton and Bayne 116. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 05.25.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I watched that Indy Lights finish on YouTube, MAN THAT WAS SUPER EPIC! Not only did it show a great deal of skill for 3 cars to race side by side like that, for the 4th car to make their way in without causing a wreck was impressive enough even if he hadn't won. But he made the move work and he won the race. I think that will not only be the best finish Indy offers this year, it will probably be the best finish in all of racing this year. I look for a driver like Kasey Kahne (definitely a possibility given his success at bigger tracks this year) or Clint Bowyer to win this race (in other words, conservative drivers since it's no coincidence that the 600 plays into their wheelhouse), though Kurt might be a factor as well given how well he ran in the All-Star. 117. murb posted: 05.25.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kurt might be a factor as well given how well he ran in the All-Star." I hope so. I like what I'm seeing from them this year. That team deserves to win a race with the way they've been running. It will probably all depend on whether or not they can keep up with the track for the whole 600 miles (something that Todd Berrier has always struggled with as a crew chief). 118. The Long Shot posted: 05.25.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone hanging around over here needs to get to the Nationwide comments page immediately. Another epic satire battle occurring over there. 119. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 05.25.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reading the comments on the Nationwide page pretty much made my day. I laughed pretty loud. 120. Schroeder51 posted: 05.25.2013 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I get the feeling these epic satire battles are going to become a recurring theme when boring races occur... 121. murb posted: 05.25.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I get the feeling these epic satire battles are going to become a recurring theme when boring races occur..." So probably pretty often... 122. Marty Reid posted: 05.25.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's not satire! I speak only the true facts about NASCAR's very own Messiah's Kyle Busch and Brian France! 123. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.25.2013 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Lol, a headline on BSPN's website says "car forces Danica to the back of Charlotte field". While technically true, no other driver has to have that kind of excuses made. Everything around her has to be thrown under the bus when it goes wrong. That is a big reason why she is such an albatross (TATIDP). 124. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.25.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I never thought i'd say this, but I can't wait for Danica to get knocked up and she leaves auto racing. Then allthough ESPN will make some show covering her life while raising a kid, people like us can choose to not watch and watch truly talented females like Johanna Long actually continue to try and do something. 125. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.25.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I've been watching some highlights posted by SKracing of the 1994 Coke 600. The words from Richard Petty...so straightforward. He doesn't beat around the bush, he doesn't constantly talk about anything. When he is asked a question or shown something interesting, he responds very crisp and with a heavy dose of realism. In fact, I can't think of very many other commentators who ever did that, so straightforward. In my eyes, that just adds to the legend of the King. 126. cjs3872 posted: 05.25.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What is it with the Wood Brothers and their engines this year and the second part of last year, because this is not like them at all to be having his many engine problems. They had the problem very early at Talladega this year, the problem at Michigan early in one of the races last year when they were in the top ten, and now this. Could Roush be using the Woods to run experimental parts, instead of running a fourth car in a race here and there to do that? And if so, could he be doing that to damage the Woods somehow? After all, the Wood Brothers are doing a lot of testing recently, but they have always been among the most conservative teams on the circuit, and yet they've had engine problems the last two times they've run, so I wonder if Roush I somehow trying to sabotage Trevor Bayne, or the Wood Brothers. Frankly, I doubt that he is, but it certainly is curious that one of the most conservative teams on the entire circuit is all of a sudden having a rash of engine problems. 127. JG24FanForever posted: 05.25.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "name the talentless hacks that have won at Charlotte? specifically the coke 600" Here's a short list of the winningest Hacks in the World/Coke 600 and Fall Charlotte races and the Winston (The All-Star race is a joke.): Dale Earnhardt 8 wins (3 600's,2 Fall,3 The Winston's.) Jeff Gordon 8 wins (A record 3 600's from the Pole,2 Fall,3 The Winston's with 8 Poles and 5 consecutive Coke 600 Poles from 1994-98.) Jimmie Johnson 7 wins (3 600's,3 Fall,1 The Winston.) Darrell Waltrip 7 wins (5 600's!!,1 Fall, 1 The Winston.) Bobby Allison 6 wins (3 600's,3 Fall.) David Pearson 5 wins (3 600's,2 Fall and 14 Poles including 11 consecutive!) Notable Hack Champions who won their first race in the 600: David Pearson in 1961 Jeff Gordon in 1994(The first since Pearson in '61 to win his first race in the 600.) Bobby Labonte in 1995 Matt Kenseth in 2000 I guess since Cale never won the 600,he's an even bigger hack than the driver's who have Triple wins. 128. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.25.2013 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I remember Richard saying the 24's strategy at the end would never work, boy did Ray Evernham and Jeff prove him wrong. 129. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope you boy's I are up for Monaco. 130. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:53 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I hope you boy's I are up for Monaco." I've been up all night. Very faded. 131. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:00 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm up! Been since around 5:15 (the race is 6:30 in our time zone). This will be the first F1 race I have ever watched in its entirety, for sure. Probably the first F1 race I ever watched at least a part of. 132. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This will be the first F1 race I have ever watched in its entirety, for sure. Probably the first F1 race I ever watched at least a part of." I'm glad to hear it. I've been watching F1 on and off since around 2000 when Schumacher was on the rise with Ferrari. And I became a huge fan of Fernando and have watched almost every race since 2010. 133. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've been watching since 2008. My mom had a friend from Poland, and she told us about Robert Kubica. That happened to be the week he won his only race. The next week we were hooked. Glad to have you here David. 134. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, your IndyCar picks MUST be a full top-10 to count. 135. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My TV signal comes and goes, so I might not catch all of it. 136. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Random Thoughts From My First F1 Race: David Hobbs looks like a cross between Otis Campbell and George Bailey. And his accent is awesome. Stay tuned. 137. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David Hobbs looks like a cross between Otis Campbell and George Bailey. And his accent is awesome." He's an ex Grand Prix driver too. 138. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Hobbs made 6 starts in F1 and his highest finish was 7th and he never finished below 10th. Not bad. 139. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, I knew that. I'm not completely ignorant. Also, at a "Cars 2" movie showing in Milwaukee, David Hobbs was there signing autographs. I wasn't there, but my sister was. So she got him to sign a "David Hobbscap" card for me. It says, "To David, with best wishes, David Hobbscap". That was totally awesome. 140. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For those who did not get my earlier references, Otis Campbell was the town drunk on "The Andy Griffith Show", played by Hal Smith. I hope you would know who George Bailey is. 141. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *in cultured British accent* Well, I do believe I picked Sebastian Vettel, *in ignorant American accent* but then again, I don't know jack. 142. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not even three laps in, and I spotted a yellow flag before the commentators did. That's weird. #monacomonologue 143. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green car up in smoke. 144. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well boys and girls it's officially begun! Welcome to the greatest day in auto racing! I actually tried to get some sleep before waking up for Monaco, but I was so excited I barely have gotten two hours even! But I'm willing to give up sleep in order to watch all three races today! 145. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That "green car", David, is a Caterham, lol. Charles Pic with a major engine failure. It always amazes me his F1 can get a car off track like what they there without bringing out the safety car! 146. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I figured that out once they showed the graphic saying "C Pic". 147. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tar beating! Let's go Nico! 148. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Would be a complete joke if the two Mercedes are excluded from this race or worse if the Red Bull protest is successful. 149. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boring F1 race on NASCAR centric board: This stuff is okay Boring F1 race on F1-centric board: Horrible, abortion of a race, terrible, cure to insomnia Boring NASCAR race on F1-centric forum: Okay, nothing special Boring NASCAR race on NASCAR-centric forum: Horrible, abortion of a race, terrible, cure to insomnia. Funny how things work. 150. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Poor Massa, not the first time he's had to start in the back at Monaco. 151. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *British accent* Oh, Massa's in trouble! 152. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hard crash. 153. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is Charlie Drunk? Safety car can't find the leaders. 154. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damned wreck... there went my blocker. 155. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Will Buxton what a sensationalist trying to start stuff every week, same thing with Diffey. Miss Varsha, although the Champ Car guys from 2006 and 2007 would be good substitutes. 156. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yea Rosberg might be in trouble on this restart... 157. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ANOTHER lap? 158. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Screw off Vettel! Screw off Webber! 159. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They screwed off. Thanks guys! 160. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pastor Maldonado crashes. 161. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag. 162. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) R.I.P Josh Burton an Indiana sprint car driver who died of his injuries from a crash. Hopefully the last such tragedy this weekend. 163. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:14 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) See??? It IS possible to pass at Monaco! Hamilton on Webber (almost) and Perez on teammate Button. Holy cow massive shunt from Maldonado! His impact with the barriers has blocked the track entirely! A rare red flag period... 164. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Chilton ran out of talent and managed to wreck Maldonado and his own teammate. *Sarcastic clapping* 165. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's possible but VERY VERY rare. Unless it's wet. Although 2005 had a lot of good overtaking. 166. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darn, I missed the restart. 167. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bianchi's day finally comes to a merciful end. 168. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Go, Nico; go! 169. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Grosjean has problems. 170. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Mental... you mean 171. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In the defense of Romain, this was not entirely his fault, Riccardo braked very early. 172. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ha! Good one. 173. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What sucks is that Rosberg should be 8-20 seconds ahead, but these non-talents are turning this into a demolition derby. 174. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looks like this will be a career day for Rosberg. NicoRosbergFan will probably be in the same state of ecstasy as Marty Reid is whenever Kyle Busch wins a Nationwide race... Perez is done. Feel bad for him, but he was a bit of a hazard today. 175. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) GP2 crash kids showing their talents in F1 176. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That is awesome! Great win for Nico, and he wins it 30 years after his father Keke won it! 177. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Surprised that Gutierrez managed to pull this race off undamaged. Imo, he is the least talented driver in the current F1 grid. 178. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad to see Nico win, just worried about the Red Bull protest. 179. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not masturbating with joy like Marty Reid would. Marty Reid and BSPN don't even care that real history was made today. Nico Rosberg and Keke Rosberg have become the only father-son duo to win the Monaco Grand Prix. I didn't pick Nico to win in my own contest... 180. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Found it quite pleasing to my eyes and ears to start the day and eat breakfast in Monaco. Nice race, but then again, I'm lucky to watch two F1 races in an entire year, so this could have been terribly boring and I would never know. Now with a bit of waiting and clicks of a remote control button, I'll go and enjoy *or at least try to hope there is no rain* the Indianapolis 500. 181. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Long Long Day I'm loving this, watched every lap of Monaco and will watch every lap of Indy and Charlotte. 182. 13 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It would take a mighty big douschebag to sabotage the Wood Brothers wouldnt it? 183. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:04 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Diabeetus narration 184. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't make it to the Monaco race (NicoRosbergFan must be wetting himself, eh?), but I plan to watch all of the Indy 500 and, well, as much as I can of the Coca-Cola 600 (it's a bit hard to watch NASCAR races when none of your family members have interest in watching it). Thankfully, my dad always makes it a habit to watch the Indy 500, so I definitely will be watching that. And by the way, supposedly Austin Dillon will run the #51 at Dover next week. Looks like Austin got another chance in his "big-boy car", after all. 185. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I repeat: not wetting myself. 186. Marty Reid posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *still wetting self after yesterday* History know-nothings, are you historically ready for the historical Indianapolis 500 Mile-Historical-Race?! Historically great! 187. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That montage... just plain awesomeness. 188. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Radar around Indianapolis looks pretty questionable. We have a long line of storms coming in from the west. We should be able to get to halfway, at least, but I'm not sure whether or not we'll get the full race in. 189. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well 13, something has to be going on, because they usually don't have engine problems, yet they've had at least three that I know of in the last 15 races they've run, which tell me that they've basically become the guinea pig for experimental things Roush may want to run in the future. Remember that they've also been the Ford test team at both Indy and Michigan this past month, so it's obvious that Roush wants to try some new stuff, but he also realizes that he doesn't dare do that with any of his full-time Cup teams, so I believe he's using the Wood Brothers as his unofficial test team instead of running a fourth car in a few races to test some stuff out. Roush knows he's fallen behind, but he needs a way to test new things out without hurting his own team if it's not successful, so he's using the Wood Brothers to do that for him, and it's not the first time. Back when Ford came out with the FR9 engine, the Wood Brothers were effectively used as the test team for it for the other Ford teams started running it, so they've been used by Roush as a guinea pig before. That may be the biggest reason for Roush's alliance with the Woods, to test out new stuff for his team, instead of running a fourth car himself in a few races, knowing that since the Woods do not run the full season (they're only running a third of the races this year), it really won't hurt them if it doesn't work right away. 190. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In other words, The Long Shot, it could be like 1975, when they got 174 laps in before a monsoon hit that ended the race. And actually, many feel that if it were not for Tom Sneva's crash, they could have gotten the full race in that year, because 15 laps were run under caution for Sneva's crash, and the caution flag was out for about 25 minutes, and that 25 minutes would have allowed them to get the last 26 laps in before the rain hit. 191. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Regardless of how long it lasts, Indy should be a really good race today. 192. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) J. R. Hildebrand crashes. 193. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is it just me, or is Marty continually mispronouncing Carlos Munoz's name? Shouldn't it be "Mewnohz" instead of "Mooneoz"? 194. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good stuff so far. Lots of racing for the lead. 195. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cheever is a total jackass. Really? You have no idea why these guys would want to lead in the Indy 500? 196. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Saavedra into the wall. 197. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, so I can't watch the Indy 500, and I'll miss most of the 600, so keep me posted, alright? 198. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With race updates, that is. 199. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, dick move by whoever was in that red and white car ahead of Saavedra. He just got chopped. 200. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski is at Indy? 201. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad K in Indy? 202. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yessir. 203. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad Keselowski at Indy? (Retches) 204. Anonymous posted: 05.26.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb, Cheever's belief is the same as cjs3872's actually. That is the only lap that matter is the final lap. That means in their minds drivers shouldn't be showing all their hand in a race by saving their equipment. That means Cheever and cjs3872 doesn't want the leaders to pass for the lead before the final laps of a race. At the same time, that means race fans would be bored out then without any passing for the lead before the final laps of a race. 205. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Shame to see so many empty seats at Indy. Just seems Americans don't want to go to outdoor sporting events anymore as much as they used to. Shame because nothing beats a day at the races. 206. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Marty "Scott Dixon Is Trying To Join The Four Timers Club Even Though He Only Has One Indy Win" Reid 207. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They need a Reid/Cheever/Goodyear drinking game. These guys make the FOX idiots look like Jim McKay's ABC Wide world of sports. 208. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Nico, just saw the Monoco results, congrats dude! 209. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Amen to that. NOTHING beats a day at the races. 210. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Take a drink every time they say 'history' or utter the phrase 'right now'. You'll be piss drunk by the time the 600 starts. I myself am watching the f1 rerun as I was a wuss and fell asleep after massa crashed but woke up in time for the last five laps to see Nico win. 211. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sato around! 212. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sato spins. 213. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree David and it's such a shame to see so many empty seats at races today, even the big ones like Indy. 214. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to say it, but I think attendance at races will get even worse in the next decade or so. It doesn't help that my generation happens to be one that, for the most part, significantly prefers indoor activities to outdoor ones. 215. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hmmm, an Andretti out front in the Indy 500. I have that same "what will happen to him this year?" feeling that I always used to get when Dale was leading the Daytona 500 in the 90's? Of course the difference is I was pulling like mad for Dale then. So Brad flew to Indy to check things out? I wonder if it is so he can spend extra time lobbying Roger to ditch Ford at the end of this year and re-join Dodge as they return next year with Richard Petty Motorsports (mark my words). 216. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What? Sato's spin looked NOTHING like Danny Sullivan's spin back in '85. 217. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Typical Cheever. 218. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eddie Cheater what an idiot. 219. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Townsend Bell has always been a really underrated oval racer. Good to see him having a good run today. 220. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How did Cheever cheat? He won Indy legitimately against a field of nobodies. It wasn't his fault he was competing against a field of nobodies. If you want to insult him, call him Underacheever. Much better... 221. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Having said that, I too can't stand Cheever... Agreed on Townsend Bell. He blew out Dan Wheldon in Indy Lights in 2001 and never got any kind of full-time ride? 222. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a joke from his IRL days of being known as a blocker who could make ridiculous chop block moves and not get any penalties from Brian Barnhardt despite rules and most of the field getting penalties for similar moves. 223. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carpenter often washes up in the turns and there's been some very hairy moments. Lucky he hasn't ended up in the wall yet. 224. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Agreed on Townsend Bell. He blew out Dan Wheldon in Indy Lights in 2001 and never got any kind of full-time ride?" I remember he drove the Menards 2 car for a while, but that's about it. But yeah, it's a shame he could never get hooked up with a real powerhouse like Penske/Ganassi/Andretti. 225. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain moving into western Indiana right now. Expect it to be in Indianapolis within an hour and a half to two hours from now. 226. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lot of people said the Penske cars especially the 12 had a very smooth package and would be the best on the long run. Looking true now with the 12, 2 and 3 coming up and some of the best fuel mileage in the field. 227. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought Tony Stewart was who the IRL officials favored, then Helio Castroneves (who has also gotten away with blocking over and over and over), then Danica Patrick. I watched all those IRL races and I never saw Cheever treated as a golden boy to that degree. I still can't stand him... 228. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One thing seems obvious to me, and that s that Ryan Hunter-Reay is driving about as conservative a race as can be driven, as he wanted no part of the lead. He could have passed Ed Carpenter any time he wanted to, but chose not to, so it's obvious he's trying to conserve fuel. But does this remind anyone else of a typical 1970s and 80s NASCAR race at Daytona, Talladega, or even Michigan? 229. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think Carpenter will lead again. Although I'm a Will Power fan, I've been critical about him on ovals for the past several years. Maybe he'll finally be able to shut me up. I'd certainly rather see Kanaan win though. I expected much more from Honda considering last year's race but it doesn't look like any of them are serious threats, and it looks like the Chevies can keep up with Honda's fuel mileage this time (or a lot closer than they could last year). Power actually outlasted the Ganassi cars on the first fuel run, but he obviously won't do so now leading. 230. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really wanna see Kanaan win. He's done so well so many times there, I want him to finally drink that milk. But I must say, if can't win, I want Dinger to win. What a story of redemption that would be! And hopefully that would revive his career in some Series, open wheel or NASCAR. 231. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After all of the handling trouble he's had today, AJ Allmendinger is now running 5th. 232. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AJ Allmendinger's persistence for a full lap to pass E.J. Viso finally paid off, as he moves up to 5th place. 233. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This could easily end up being a fuel mileage game but good news for Power was for most of the run we has drafting off cars. 234. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guys, Bell did not get any rides because he is a hazard on road-courses, while being even slower than Carpenter. When IRL was all ovals, then he would've had a chance. 235. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He has not been in an open wheel car for seven years." - Marty Reid EXCEPT FOR THE TWO OTHER RACES HE RAN EARLIER THIS YEAR!!!!!!!! MORONS!!!!!!!! 236. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another thing going for Penske is they have consistently had the fastest stops and have been the only ones to make it into the below 9 second gap. 237. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm pulling for Kanaan and Dinger in this race. I remember watching Kanaan come oh-so-close to winning last year, as well as in the rain-shortened race in 2004 (the latter year he won the championship). And I've been an Allmendinger fan since his breakout season in CART back in 2006 and have stuck with him ever since. If he were to win this race, it would be a testament to both himself as a driver and Roger Penske, who saw the talent in Allmendinger and gave him this part-time IndyCar ride even after his failed drug test at Daytona last July. 238. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) William Power in the pits. 239. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Role Reversal in this round of pit stops. 240. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "When IRL was all ovals, then he would've had a chance." Yeah, but like Sean was saying, he was the Lights champion in 2001, back when the IRL was an oval series. So it sucks that he wasn't able to get a really good IRL ride at that time. 241. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Hunter-Reay is driving a really smart race. He's keeping pace with the leader (right now it's Tony Kanaan), but isn't in a rush to obtain the lead any time soon. He and Marco Andretti are two drivers to watch out for if they're running 2nd or 3rd in the closing laps, as RHR has the speed, but is driving fairly conservatively right now, and Andretti perfected the slingshot on that last restart when he passed Ed Carpenter for the lead coming to the green flag. I have a feeling that a last lap pass could be in the works for this race. 242. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unless it rains, Paul, which is a distinct possibility today. That's why I think the action will pickup very soon, because if it does rain, you'll want to be leading in case they don't restart the race. 243. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A.J. Leading. These Penskes are rockets. 244. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger to the lead. Damn. 245. Bronco posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll be happy as long as Castroneves or Franchitti don't get #4 today. 246. Marty Reid posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I historically wet myself when I talk about that NASCAR driver A. J. Allmendinger. 247. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, my "damn" in 244 was a good "damn". Psyched for AJ. 248. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad K tweeted yesterday that he was gonna be in Indy for the race... I think this race is awesome so far! There are a variety of drivers leading and I have no idea who is going to win! The slingshot is very effective, much like it was last year. Dinger just took the lead!!! 249. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DINGER!!!! My top two guys are 1-2. Knowing my luck this year with people I pull for this year, they will probably crash each other out. 250. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shut up, Underacheever. 251. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carpenter nowhere after getting back in dirty air. No surprise... 252. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AJ might have a cut tire. Of course... 253. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) His belts came loose. 254. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AJ's chances to win the Indy 500 may just have been crushed by his own lap belt coming undone. 255. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually his belt came undone. Now he's a lap down. 256. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) His belts came loose? That's it, I'm gonna quit pulling for drivers this year, all I do is jinx the shit out of them. Or better yet, I'm gonna go buy a shit ton of 48 merchandise. 257. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dinger will get the wave around if a caution comes out soon. 258. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hunter-Raey must of had a really good stop/pit delta. 259. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the Brickyard has become the Talladega of IndyCar...already a record number of lead changes today and we've just passed the 300-mile mark. 260. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice quiet Indy 500 so far. Please DSFF, ignore Servia, I want him to get a solid finish. 261. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's very Hanford-Ish 262. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's not a matter of if but when there's another yellow, so many guys are so close to hitting the wall. 263. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Amazing save by Hinch. 264. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AJ back to the lead, but he's off sequence. He needs a caution. 265. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok, Dinger back with the lead pack after they pitted. But is he bad on fuel? Scratch that, HE IS LEADING!! Oh boy, how will this race kick me in the balls? 266. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dinger retakes the lead. Too bad he'll have to pit about 9 laps before everyone else, pending a caution. 267. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Whodunnit" more fake crap from the networks. 268. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If this race goes green the rest of the way and they get all 200 laps in, Allmendinger could be in the catbird seat, as he, like everybody else, would ave to make just one more pit stop. Considering how his car is set-up for the long runs, that might work out in his favor in the end, providing everything goes correctly. 269. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Whodunnit" literally looks like the worst show ever created. Sooo fake. I am pulling for RHR to win! He's racing a very smart race... 270. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's the inevitable Marty Reid history segment. 271. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Viso stalls it in the pits. 272. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) E.J. Viso stalled his car in his pit box. That'll take him out of the lead draft for sure. 273. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Dinger is ok as long as there are no more cautions and no weather? Holy (stream of expletives), look at that radar! 274. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally Cheever realizes that there is rain on the horizon and that these guys need to be going all out at this point. 275. Smiff_2 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, this is gonna be one hell of a finish! Go Allmendinger, Kanaan, and Sato!!! 276. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kanaan has made the executive decision "it is time to go". 277. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Fantastic racing for the lead right now. It's anybody's guess as to who'll win the race. I'm rooting for either Hunter-Reay or Munoz myself. 278. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is EXTREMELY Hanford-esque. 279. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big damage for Bourdais. No caution so far though. 280. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bourdais totaled his car. 281. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cautions??? We don't need no stinkin' cautions! In the words of Kyle Petty, "This is incredible!" 282. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bourdais pulled a "Kenseth at Dover 2004" and crashed in the pits. 283. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is kicking so much more ass than the 600 will today. 284. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn I hate that for Bourdais. He was having a solid top 15 run before hitting the wall. 285. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When will the announce team utter the words "The Andretti Curse"? 286. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go TK Go!! 287. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good Lord, I only watxh these guys once a year and the tension is unbearable! 288. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This is how auto racing is supposed to be. No gimmicks, just pure racing. 289. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Graham Rahal crashes. Oh boy, this is going to get crazy... 290. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution as Graham Rahal crashes in the back. 291. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ooh, had a mini-heart attack thinking it was Servia. Huh. 292. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This could get intense. 293. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This changes everything 294. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Could!? This WILL get intense. Go Tony!!! 295. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ohhh man... 296. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They need to get this race over with as fast as they can. Rain could arrive within the next 20-30 minutes. 297. Smiff_2 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This has *already* been a phenomenal race, but DAMN....this restart is going to be INSANE! 298. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol, Justin Wilson 5th. 299. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dario in the wall! 300. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy hell, what a restart. Franchitti wrecks. TK WINS?!?!?!?! 301. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This might be it! 302. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution comes out for Franchitti, and Kanaan is leading. 303. Smiff_2 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, I'm happy Kanaan won, but it REALLY sucks we all just got cheated out of that finish....lol 304. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOOOOHOOOOO HELL YEAH TK!!! 305. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) TWELVE YEARS OF TRYING, TWELVE YEARS OF FRUSTRATION, TONY KANAAN COMES TO THECAUTION FLAG TO WIN THE INDIANAPOLIS 500!!! 306. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dario wrecks and TK wins it, the 2nd best ending I could've imagined. 307. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YES. 308. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Kanaan wins the Indy 500! 309. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, this Earnhardt fan went there. He deserves it. Congrats to Tony. So, so happy! 310. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Today, 2 nice guys won 2 big races, both of them being totally deserved. What's next? Will Almirola win at Lowe's? 311. Matt G posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) What a disappointing finish! That race was headed for an absolutely thrilling battle and the fans were robbed. Boy am I thankful that Nascar has the Green - White-Checkered rule. There's been a lot of bad changes in Nascar over the years, but this one is excellent. I certainly don't miss seeing races finish under caution and watching the air come out of the balloon like we just witnessed in Indy right now. 312. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It may have been anti-climatic with the race ending under caution, but Tony Kanaan is now an Indianapolis 500 winner. Very well-deserved and long overdue. He's a champion race car driver, and now he joins an elite class of Indy 500 winners. Also, his car owner Jimmy Vasser joins Kanaan as open wheel champion drivers who have gone on to win the Indy 500. 313. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) This is why I like NASCAR's GWC. Great finish robbed away with 3 laps to go because some idiot with a bad car walls it. 314. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (6) Time for a rant. In CART, Tony Kanaan was absolutely worthless as a driver. The only race he won was the 1999 US 500, CART's version of Talladega (see Phil Parsons and Bobby Hillin). He became a CART reject and went to IndyCar. Now he's in these diluted fields, and much like Scott Dixon suddenly can win after years of worthlessness. Today was an example of that. They brought in the DW12 and brought back the talented driving. Tony Kanaan, once again, was absolutely worthless as a driver. What's the only race he could contend in (and in this case win)? The Indy 500, which with the DW12 has become IndyCar's version of Talladega (see Phil Parsons and Bobby Hillin). I'm not impressed. 315. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They should really use the 2002 CART 5-2 to go red flag rules. Even Green white checkered. 316. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is right up there with Dan's last 500 win for me. Absolutely incredible stuff. Wish they could've raced it out. But who cares. The guy everyone wanted to win, did! Congrats Tony!! 317. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CART's 2002 red flag rules used traditional FIA doctine to ensure a green flag finish before the white flag. 318. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) @314 He is a nice, down-to-earth and humble guy. This is one of the main reason he has a huge fanbase. Look at McClure or even Paul Menard. Are they talented? No. Their attitude and conservative driving style are what get the fans. 319. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Very similar to Earnhardt's 1998 Daytona win. Essentially Kanaan has been under a spell of bad luck here. 320. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF Have you Ever. 321. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh, sorry for the woeful grammar in post no.318. 322. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Before the yellow flags of Rahal and Franchitti they were beating the Arie Luyendyk race record of 1990. 323. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No I've never 324. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Finishing under caution has been good enough for 90 years...it'll be good enough forever. Way to go TK!! 325. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Does it change that he's shown himself to be untalented when it counts? No. I don't see why people are masturbating when a foreigner just beat the American defending champ Hunter-Reay. 326. Alex posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #318, Paul Menard does have some talent 327. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Does it change that he's shown himself to be untalented when it counts?" 2004 champion? 328. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "Time for a rant. In CART, Tony Kanaan was absolutely worthless as a driver. The only race he won was the 1999 US 500, CART's version of Talladega (see Phil Parsons and Bobby Hillin). He became a CART reject and went to IndyCar. Now he's in these diluted fields, and much like Scott Dixon suddenly can win after years of worthlessness. Today was an example of that. They brought in the DW12 and brought back the talented driving. Tony Kanaan, once again, was absolutely worthless as a driver. What's the only race he could contend in (and in this case win)? The Indy 500, which with the DW12 has become IndyCar's version of Talladega (see Phil Parsons and Bobby Hillin). I'm not impressed." He finished one position behind Greg Moore in points in 1999 when they were teammates at Forsythe, and you probably rate Moore highly, right? He blew out Alex Zanardi in 2001 at Mo Nunn before Zanardi's near-fatal crash. And you probably rate Zanardi highly, right? I just don't think Kanaan had killer cars in CART. And lest I remind you he just won for a team that hasn't won in five years (since Will Power's win at Long Beach)? As for Scott Dixon, he finished 9th in CART points as a rookie (winning in his 3rd start at age 20 - yes, it was a fuel mileage race) while his teammate Mauricio Gugelmin finished like 22nd or something (and he had been 4th in points a mere 4 years later), with a team that went out of business the following season. Dixon's 2002 was ugly but I think he's clearly proven himself. I think Kanaan, like Wheldon and Hornish and Luyendyk, is a much better high-speed oval driver than a road racer. I agree he was mostly a mid-pack road racer in CART and is mostly a mid-pack road racer in IndyCar. But I think he's always proven strong on ovals, CART or IRL, when he has had the car. Shallow field? This field was deeper than the fields Kanaan struggled in, and I think he's always been a better high-speed oval driver than Dario (who won one oval race in CART solely due to leaving the pits first) and Helio (who never won at all). I'm much more outraged by Dario and Helio being multiple winners than TK a single-race winner. Yes, JPM, Paul Tracy, Gil de Ferran, Kenny Brack, Michael Andretti, Jimmy Vasser, Adrian Fernandez, etc... were probably better oval racers in CART but none of those guys are even active in IndyCar anymore. Who do you think SHOULD be winning on the ovals? 329. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, too bear fair that was a rather weak championship season and when the IRL was almost always flat out ovals. 330. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 83andJoe, Non-SAFER walls & racing back to caution were good enough for 80 years. Does that mean they should have gone on forever? 331. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Murb, too bear fair that was a rather weak championship season and when the IRL was almost always flat out ovals." Yeah, but he still won a championship. So I think that disproves the whole "he's untalented when it counts" theory. 332. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) You have NO Idea how happy I am! Kannan has been my favorite IZOD driver since I started watching the series, and to see him finally pull it off! I'm so happy, i was fighitng back tears so I could see the TV clearly when he pulled into victory lane! I really, really was afraid that he wouldn't make it! For all intents and purposes, this was the BEST Indy 500 I have watched thus far! Reccord breaking lead changes, Record breaking number of leaders, minimal incidents, and Tony Kannan winning it! F**** YEAH! 333. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where was Justin Wilson the whole day? Got a top 5 with Dayle Coyne. 334. Anonymous posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) NicoRosbergFan, Claiming Tony Kanaan is untalented is false claim. Since Tony Kanaan is so untalented, how do you explain how having wins at Phoenix, Texas, Nashville, Kansas, Sonoma, Milwaukee,Botegi, Belle Isle,Richmond, and Iowa before getting an Indy 500 win. 335. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now Lets see what the World 600 has to counter this amazing race. 336. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kanaan reminds me a lot of Riccardo Patrese in F1. 337. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Non-SAFER walls & racing back to caution were good enough for 80 years." Many race car drivers have been injured or killed due to non-SAFER barriers. I can't recall any driver having any pain other than frustration and possibly a bruised ego due to a race ending under caution. 338. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Forsythe was a shitbox team before Paul Tracy, so I don't think much of that. In 2001 it was obvious Zanardi was on the back door of his career, so again that doesn't say much. Right now this forum isn't worth much with all the masturbation going on. I have never had reason to like TK, and still haven't seen what people like in him. 339. We need more Onion posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #326, I really like Paul Menard and I can say that he has talent to race at road courses, Bristol and many pushittothefloor tracks. But he was just an example, because imo his great driving is because of him keeping a cool head and willing to learn from his more-experienced teammates. Nevertheless Tony is a good driver, how else would he have won the races he did. And he was not really racing for the top CART teams. 340. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "while his teammate Mauricio Gugelmin finished like 22nd or something (and he had been 4th in points a mere 4 years later)" Gugelmin had been 4th in points a mere 4 years EARLIER I meant to say obviously... I don't rate Kanaan very highly as a road racer, but I certainly do as an oval racer... Having said that, you probably do have a point with the randomness of the drafting... 341. Matt G posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great Race. Very likeable winner. Bad finish. Two out of three isn't bad. 342. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Congrats, Tony. You deserved it. 343. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who do you guys think would have won it if it went green all the way? Many people are saying Andretti. 344. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Anonymous, you listed only two non-oval tracks in an era where a monkey could win on an oval in an Andretti car (Bryan freaking Herta won twice for them). One of those races Kanaan was the only car left standing in a demo derby race. 345. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TeamPlayersBlue, they announced over the PA that, even with the last two caution flags, they set a new record of over 187 MPH. That means that now the race records for both the Daytona 500 and Indianapolis 500 were set in races that ended under caution. When Buddy Baker set the existing record for he Daytona 500 in 1980, that race also ended under caution for a blown engine. But it's just a downer when the most exciting race in Indy history ends in such an anti-climax, but nobody among those assembled in the crowd cared. But I do wonder if there will be calls for at least this race always ending with a green flag finish, because this is the fourth consecutive year the Indianapolis 50 has ended under caution, though the last three have been for crashes on the final lap. But I also think it's fitting that in the two Indianapolis 500s that have been run since the death of Dan Wheldon, his closest friends, Dario Francihti and now Tony Kanaan, have been the winners. Maybe Kanaan needed the help of a higher power to ensure his win, though I'm not convinced he wouldn't have won anyway. However, nobody in the modern history of the race that has lost it like Ryan Hunter-Reay did has ever won the race. Not Kevin Cogan, not Roberto Guerrero, not Marco Andretti, not J.R. Hildebrand, not anyone else, so I'm not sure Ryan Hunter-Reay will ever win the race, based on history, but for his sake, I hope I'm wrong about that. 346. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Yeah, that caution robbed (the lack of GWC) robbed us of a potentially epic finish, but seeing Tony win after so many years of being there and not getting it made up for it. I remember his emotion last year with him and Dario trying not only to win the Indy 500, but to honor their fallen friend (and defending event winner) Dan Wheldon. Hiis face will at least be close to Dan's. This is one of those "the men mean more than the machines" moments. We are comparing this to the '98 Daytona 500, that whole race sucked as well as ending under caution. But the emotion of seeing somebody get an overdue win makes up for the finish the machines would have put on. Some other thoughts: Zanardi still rules (awesome interview). How great is it tobe RHR? Defending champ and gets a kiss fron TK's wife! 347. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So they had the all time speed record and ABC didn't even mention it? EPIC fail! 348. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Between the celebrations and those butthurt over who won, espn still has yet to show a single replay of Dario's crash. Broadcasting Fail. 349. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I guess what I'm summarizing is that TK's win with the DW12 is as impressive as Trevor Bayne winning the Daytona 500 with the tandem. The guy CANNOT win anywhere else anymore. 350. Anonymous posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, Since you called Tony Kanaan untalented, Anyone who wins at Kansas, Texas,Phoenix, Sonoma, And Richmond are untalented also and that includes drivers in NASCAR including Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon,Matt kenseth and Jimmie Johnson. I'm keeping calling all drivers are untalented at those tracks until you admit your wrong. 351. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 'I think Kanaan, like Wheldon and Hornish and Luyendyk, is a much better high-speed oval driver than a road racer. I agree he was mostly a mid-pack road racer in CART and is mostly a mid-pack road racer in IndyCar. But I think he's always proven strong on ovals, CART or IRL, when he has had the car.' Need I remind you who led all 13 laps of that tragic Las Vegas event in 2011, from the Pole and never had anyone pull beside him? Yes, Tony Kannan. He is a high speed oval kind of guy. 352. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) LET the Arguing and Thumbing Down Commence!!!!! 353. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have never had reason to like TK, and still haven't seen what people like in him." Personally, I've always liked his humbleness. He's always humble and grateful, and he's also not a primadonna like some other IndyCar guys have been (Franchitti, Tracy, Marco, Rahal, etc). That's why I've always liked him. "Who do you guys think would have won it if it went green all the way? Many people are saying Andretti." I'd say RHR, but who knows. 354. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Charlie Kimball recovered from early electrical problems and finished 9th. Had it not been for those issues, who knows how good of a run he could have had. 355. Alex posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) #325, I don't think everyone on this site considers TK a "foreigner" (there must be someone from Brazil on here). And not everyone on here is American, so some people don't care that the defending champion, who is American, got passed. 356. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Anonymous, I'm going to treat your comments as invalid until you grow a pair of nuts (or ovaries if your female) and use a name we can identify with. Besides, I already say people who subsist on wins on the intermediates in NASCAR (stares at Matt Kenseth and Kasey Kahne) are not as talented. 357. Keyboard Warrior posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) Indianapolis 500 winner and IRL champion Tony Kanaan and 5 Time Sprint Cup Champion Jimmie Johnson are untalented but Nico Rosberg with 2 wins in a 6 year career is the best! 358. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) "Personally, I've always liked his humbleness. He's always humble and grateful, and he's also not a primadonna like some other IndyCar guys have been (Franchitti, Tracy, Marco, Rahal, etc). That's why I've always liked him." Lots of guys have that trait. That's why I find it flabbergasting. 359. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'll say that even though the finish was disappointing the right guy went over in this race. 360. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The guy CANNOT win anywhere else anymore." Who do you think could win races for KV Racing right now, which hasn't won in five years? And if you're knocking his road course ability, in that fantastic Sao Paulo street race a few weeks ago, he made a couple nifty passes for the lead before his team ran him out of fuel. I think he's on the back side of his career, but I can still see him winning another road/street course event or two, especially considering how competitive those races have been (and it's not like he was out to lunch at St. Pete or Sao Paulo...) 361. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) At least you had the legitimacy to use a name, now piss off. I then say that we declare the drivers who win restrictor plate races more talented than those who win road races. 362. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @335, constant updates on TATIDP. She has to start in the back! So anything she does will be heroic because starting in the back automatically means you can't do anything. 363. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Points-wise entering Indy Kanaan was getting schooled by his teammate, Simona de Silvestro. She has been at least as good as he was entering Indy, and then something went south with the team on morning of Pole Day. 364. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I then say that we declare the drivers who win restrictor plate races more talented than those who win road races." Who on here in the last half hour has said that Kanaan is MORE talented than guys who frequently win on road course races? Look, nobody on here is saying that Kanaan is a messiah and is one of the five greatest of all time because of this win. We're just happy to see that all of his hard work has paid off after all these years. 365. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kanaan got punted by Oriol Servia late in the race at Long Beach and had his team run him out of fuel at Sao Paulo. Give him a little better luck and would he have been beating Simona in points? Probably... Kanaan isn't even one of my favorites and I too find him a bit overrated, but you're still WAY underrating him. 366. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ""I then say that we declare the drivers who win restrictor plate races more talented than those who win road races." Who on here in the last half hour has said that Kanaan is MORE talented than guys who frequently win on road course races? Look, nobody on here is saying that Kanaan is a messiah and is one of the five greatest of all time because of this win. We're just happy to see that all of his hard work has paid off after all these years." Finally, somebody makes a statement that makes logical sense, something I can look at and say "Good job, son!" as Steve Matchett would say. 367. Keyboard Warrior posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I agree Jimmie Johnson sucks what a hack winning 8 races at Martinsville, 7 races at Dover, 3 races at Darlington, and 5 championship what a hack. And Kanaan what a hack with his Indy 500 win. 368. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Can we just ignore Roseberg, let him channel his inner "I'm gonna crap all over the underdog's victory because insert BS reason here" arguing with ain't gonna get him to change his mind so let's just let him be and enjoy the victory. 369. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Also, whoever is going through and thumbs-downing my comments and thumbs-upping the pro-TK comments, you sit down when you piss, don't you? 370. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Good Lord Christ. People, get a few notes straight here. Every single god forsaken driver, possibly with the exception of Danica Patrick, in the IZOD Indy Car series and the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, has to have at least SOME level of talent! They would NOT be there if that wasn't the case, or if they were there, they wouldn't be there for very long. Many of these people specialize at different types of tracks and strategies. Dale Sr was good at short tracks and Restrictor Plate Superspeedways. Tim Richmond rocked it out on Road Courses and tracks with abnormal configurations. Jimmie Johnson is good at mile and .5's. Tony Kannan is good with high speed ovals. Talent varies, but they all have talent, and must at least show some amount of it for somebody to pull them out of the crowd of 'common *That's really aren't common*' racers in low tier series, such as the Wheelen Modified series and the like. Stop the bloody arguing. Just because you feel as if we are all pulling a Marty Reid and 'Historically Masturbating' to this moment, dosen't mean you have to argue about them being talentless. I think Dale Sr, for instance, couldn't pull things off worth a darn after 21 failures *Exculding 2001* out of 22 Daytona 500's. But he was still talented, always in the mix. The same can be said about Kannan! 371. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, I am not going into the Jimmie Johnson fray with you when we have all kind of agreed to say "We question the legitimacy of all his stats because of the 2 dozen cheating incidents with that team, but we will not declare him to be 'cheater,'" so don't waste my breath. 372. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) No I'm thumbing down your comments in the attempt at shutting you up. 373. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) NRF, knock it off. I thought you'd outgrown your trolling, it seems I was wrong. 374. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Thumbing down the comments only irks people more because it shows cowardice when you do that. 375. Bronco posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good for Kanaan. He was due for an Indy win no matter how it came to him. The ending sucked however, we were headed for an epic 4 car duel between RHR, Kanaan, Andretti and Munoz before the cautions spoiled that. Munoz impressed the hell out of me, if the race had gone green to the finish, I truly think he would have ended up winning. Not only was this Kanaan's first Indy 500 win, it was his first win in the series sine Iowa 2010, almost three years ago. 376. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NRF If I were in charge of this board I would have banned your ass a long long time ago. 377. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ben Lowe. Nice, if I were in charge of this board I would NOT have banned your ass a long time ago for always bringing up wrestling. 378. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRF, I just think this is the racing gods paying you back for Rosberg winning Monaco today. Can we all agree at least that Tony isn't the weakest 500 winner. As I think that award easily goes to one Eddie Cheever. 379. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just turned on NASCAR RaceSay, and already Larry Mac is complaining about how IndyCar should use NASCAR'a green-white-checkered rules, and already we've had our complimentary Danica interview. If you thought the race was going to be long... 380. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TeamPlayersBlue (#347), they hardly even mentioned the speed record, and ne reason was because there was so much action that they simply didn't have the time to bring it up, but watching the race, I knew they could set a record because there were only three cautions until lap 194. An again, isn't it ironic that the records for both the Daytona 500 and Indianapolis 500 were set in races ending under caution? And Tony Kanaan's win is unusual because, unlike the Daytona 500, the Indianapolis 500 rarely ever rewards a driver for waiting. The 12 tries it took Kanaan to win is one short of the record of 13, which was set by Sam Hanks in 1957. The 1957 race marked the 13th time Hanks qualified for the race, though he was unable to start in one of them. Johnny Rutherford's 1974 win came in his 11th try and Al Unser, Jr.'s 1992 win was in his tenth try, so the Indianapolis 500 does not usually reward drivers for waiting for their turn. You're usually either destined to win that race fairly early in your career, or you will never win it. but with the Daytona 500, most of the legendary winners had to wait their turn to win that race. Pearson, Allison, Baker, Waltrip, and Earnhardt all had to wait at least 15 tries to win that race and Earnhardt needed 20, and only Allison among those drivers ever won it more than once. 381. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If they don't at least make Munoz co-ROTY, I will be disappointed. To the person wondering, the 'n' in Munoz has a tilde, so it's said "Moon-yoz" 382. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think we can possibly give weakest winner to Buddy Lazier. At least Cheever put up some respectable podiums in F1. 383. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's obvious the Coke 600 is going to be better than the Indy 500. After all, they have DANICA! And we just know we're in for her performing an epic charge from last to first to win it all! Oh wait... 384. Darrell Waltrip posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Boogity! Boogity! Boogity! Let's go racin' boyz! Let's y'all cum'on down here and watch the most-talented gentlelady use some coopetition as she charges to the win! Whoop! Whoop! 385. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just turned on NASCAR RaceSay, and already Larry Mac is complaining about how IndyCar should use NASCAR'a green-white-checkered rules, and already we've had our complimentary Danica interview. If you thought the race was going to be long..." So long pure motorsports. It was nice to have you today. But now it's time for some NAPCAR. 386. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On the plus side, Clint Bowyer is wearing a BADASS Evil Knievel t-shirt. 387. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Children , children, can we please try to get along? For God's sake, I'm 14 and I feel like the mature one on here. 388. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Evel 389. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The sad thing is that I could actually see the FOX announcers saying that in the pre-race show. If they actually said something to the effect of "This race will be even better than the Indy 500, because we have Danica", I think my jaw would fall off. 390. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ABC mentioned the records that were broken including the all-time speed record. I seriously think there was only about three min of broadcast coverage ir n the last 30 minutes after the race ended. ABC came back from commercials at least four times only to go back to commercial after 20 sec. WTF? 391. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I expect Munoz will be voted ROTY. Think of it this way, NRF. Shouldn't you be happy somebody who has at least been a solid performer for a decade (maybe not "great") won instead of Marco or Munoz or Carpenter, which were all very real possibilities? If you're fuming about Kanaan, I can't even imagine what you'd be saying if one of those three had won. Cheever had some podiums in F1, but mostly when he had cars capable of winning and Alain Prost almost won the title. It's close but I would say Lazier > Cheever. 8 IRL wins > 5 IRL wins, 1 IRL title > 0 IRL titles, Cheever stunk it up in CART for several years not winning in 3 years with Ganassi from 1990-92 (after Ganassi received the equipment that Pat Patrick won the title with in 1989 with Emerson Fittipaldi), while Lazier never had any kind of good ride in CART ever. Not to mention that Lazier is a very nice guy and Cheever is not, which might be biasing me... If Cheever had actually WON in F1, maybe, but he didn't, so who cares that he managed a few podiums? 392. Michael Waltrip posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Y'all come down to Aaron's now, y'hear? 393. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Can we stop with the stupid satire postings? They were funny for the Sprint All-Gimmick Farce. Not for real races. 394. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, one reason they can't really do a GWC in IndyCar racing like they can in NASCAR is that the teams have a strict fuel allotment with which to run the entire distance, and always have. In fact, Jerry Grant was penalized 12 laps in 1972 for taking on fuel from another competitor's fuel tank (teammate Bobby Unser's), even though he didn't need it, and that penalty dropped him from second to 12th in the final results. In NASCAR, there is no limit to the amount of fuel that can be taken on during the race, just a limit to how much can be carried on board, so if you had GWC's in IndyCar racing, guys would be running out of fuel because they wouldn't have any more to finish the race. And GWC's today at Indy would only have led to more crashes, and possibly terrible crashes like Mike Conway's in 2010 or Alessandro Zampedri's in 1996, because the cars could not get away from each other, which is why there were 68 lead changes. The only time I can ever recall teams getting extra fuel at Indy was back in 1986 when Tom Sneva crashed on the second parade lap, and the teams were given enough fuel to run the race as if that had never happened, because about five slow laps were run. And fuel mileage became a critical factor in that race's ultimate outcome, as Bobby Rahal went the last 34 laps without stopping. Had the teams not been given extra fuel, Kevin Cogan probably wins that race, as his car was the fastest at the end. 395. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have RaceDay on, and I have no idea how I'm gonna be able to watch this 600 tonight. That's how good that IndyCar race was and how bad Nascar has become. Tonight, instead of watching a kickass back and forth race like we just did, we're gonna see an at best decent race that's chock full of gimmicks, Danica, the Waltrips, and phony cautions. And the best part? Instead of the usual two hours, it's now gonna last FOUR HOURS!!!!! 396. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And yes, honestly, the fake posts are getting a bit annoying. It's funny every once in a while, but let's not overdo it. 397. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FOX just has that amazing talent of making even a good or really good race come off as terrible overall just because of how god-awful the broadcasts are. 398. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Casual racing fans: "That finish sucked, what a buzzkill!" Actual racing fans: "Man it's too bad the race ended under caution but the 198 laps before it certainly made up for it, and how great is it to finally see Kanaan get that 500 win???" 399. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TS1420, is there humor on the planet where you come from? 400. Alex posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #369, People thumbs down your comments because they disagree with them and don't like what you just posted (like me). 401. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lets see how The World 600 does in comparison to that Amazing Indy 500. 402. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice stats Sean... 403. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AveryNH, I think when it comes to "weak"500 winners, I would be a good idea to think of modern times, because there were some REALLY weak ones back in the 1950s. Among the drivers that won the Indianapolis 500 in that decade were Troy Ruttman, Bob Sweikert, and Pat Flaherty (who's wining car Trevor Bayne's NNS car yesterday reminded me of), and even Graham Hill, who won it in 1966 was a weak Indianapolis 500 winner, even though he had already been F1 champion four years earlier. They were all weaker Indy champions than Cheever, though calling Buddy Lazier a weak champion would be more accurate, because he was, but Cheever was better at Indy than most people give him credit for. He started on the front row and finished fourth in 1992, a race that had more winners and represented wins than any race in Indy history, and was often competitive regardless of the car he was in. 404. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 399, yes there is. I come here for the good discussions about races. Not wade through 100's of posts of fake Waltrip Brothers, Brian France & Marty Reid just saying the same things over and over and over again. 405. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "TS1420, is there humor on the planet where you come from?" He just said that he thought it was funny after the All Gimmicks Race last week. And so did I. I even partook in some of that nonsense. But there is a lot of pride in this website. We try really hard to be respectable and be different than some of the other sites out there. So if the joke posts continue every week, it sort of dumbs down the site a bit. Once in a while is fine just to show some humor, but if we do it every week it's gonna get annoying. Just my opinion... 406. Anonymous posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 'Cheever was better at Indy than most people give him credit for. He started on the front row and finished fourth in 1992, a race that had more winners and represented wins than any race in Indy history,' Yeah, but you forget the tremendously high amount of atrophy due to crashes that occured in that race, due to the insanely low temperatures, preventing the tire from heating up. Just how many guys were running at the finish of that event again? 8? 407. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, I've actually forgotten to do my prediction for how many cautions each race will have for the past several races; I just remembered that. Anyways...For the Coke 600, I'm predicting there will be 7 cautions, and at least 3 of them will be thrown for "debris"/boredom. 408. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #406, complaining about the atrophy in the 1992 Indy 500, was me. And, there were 12 cars running at the finish. My bad. 409. Sean posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, but you forget the tremendously high amount of atrophy due to crashes that occured in that race, due to the insanely low temperatures, preventing the tire from heating up. Just how many guys were running at the finish of that event again? 8?" Not to mention that the Newman-Haas and Ganassi Fords were overwhelmingly the fastest cars in the race. After Mario Andretti crashed in one Newman-Haas car, Michael Andretti had his mechanical failure in the other, and Arie Luyendyk crashed in one Ganassi car, shouldn't Cheever have won by all rights? 410. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darn, your right. I forgot about those Newman-Haas Machines. It's been a little over a year since I watched the 1989-1992 Indy 500 events on youtube, so I'm bound to forget some things. 411. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, one thing that happened in that 1992 race was that, during the event, Cheever was penalized one lap for passing Raul Boesel under one of the many cautions in that race, and although that penalty was later rescinded, having been penalized might have taken some of the intensity out of that team the rest of the race, which often happens when a penalty like that is given. In fact, a little-known fact about the finish of that race is that, as close as the finish was between Al Unser, Jr. and Scott Goodyear for the win, the battle for third between Al Unser, Sr. and Cheever was equally close, as Cheever made a move on Al, Sr., and they were virtually side-by-side at the line, with Al, Sr. barely ahead of Cheever after the one-lap penalty given to Cheever was rescinded. But Cheever was, by no means, a weaker champion than Troy Ruttman, Bob Sweikert, or Pat Flaherty, and Graham Hill was also a very weak Indy champion, the weakest from the 50s through 1995. 412. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, while I'll give that to you, that may have more to do with a team reaction as a whole then with a single driver reaction. I've seen penalties given, then taken back, and the driver doesn't change his style whatsoever. Yet his team seems to lose their minds. 2011 Martinsville Fall, case in point. However, I do not have such a fascinating memory and deduction skills when it comes to these amazing past events. You very well could be correct. 413. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) NRF, you lose. You have ranted and raved yet everyone else on the board still agrees 1) it is a sentimental deal that Tony won it, we are all happy for him and 2) he is a talented drivers, one of the drivers of his generation. The best? No, but still damn good. Everyone but you agrees with this you lose. Your victory this morning with Nico winning the big F1 race has given way to a overwhelming crushing defeat. In conclusion, you lose, we win. 414. Racing God posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I am very happy with the result of today's Indianapolis 500. 415. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How about this? Terrible races like the All-star and the HISTORY 300 deserve satire Amazing races like today's Indianapolis 500 don't need satire. Even though I find it funny by far the most memorable moment of this weekend or even the entire year was from an 11 car Indy Lights grid. 416. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @412, they penalize rivers differently in IndyCar racing than they do in NASCAR. In IndyCar racing, all they do in to push a button, and a driver is instantly penalized, but in NASCAR, they actually bring you down pit road and hold you a lap. Also, let's not forget that the team Cheever was driving at Indy for, Chip Ganassi Racing, was only in it's third year at that time, so they really didn't know how to win, either. They did not win that year, or even the next year with Arie Luyendyk driving for them full-time, but it wasn't until the 1994 season-opener that they ever won a race, so not only was Cheever a driver that didn't know how to win, the team he was driving for didn't know how to win either, and I go back to something Jackie Stewart said in the mid 70s. There is something tangible about knowing how to win races, and Ganassi didn't have it at that time. It wasn't until 1995 or '96 that they figured out how to win races, but they've been doing it ever since, though they had four horridly slow cars today. 417. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @411, so you are saying Cheever is the anti-Earnhardt. On Memorial Day weekend one year later he was assessed a BS penalty (of all the stunts he pulled on track, he got a one lap penalty for not even touching Sacks?) but got fired up even more, stormed back, won the race going away, made prophetic comments about second place finishing rookie Jeff Gordon, and had a smirk on his face like he'd just banged every NASCAR's official's wives. Hell, I would say he probably did, but Teresa would have cut his junk off. That is a big reason for Dale's success once he joined Childress. We talk about his first title in 1980 and the reasons he struggled for a few years afterwards, but he married Teresa late in 1982 and settled down because she focused him. Of the long list of legendary partyers of NASCAR's fun past, pre Mr Teresa Earnhardt was an underrated hell raiser. He married Teresa, hooked up with Richard who built a franchise around him, and despite never having the huge pockets with RC, built perhaps the most fabled dynasty, definitely the most fondly remembered dynasty ever. We cannot downplay Teresa's role in this. And for the record, Dale's '93 World 600 is my favorite Earnhardt win when the historical aspects are taken away (otherwise Rockingham '94 is tops for me). Damn, had NASCAR not decided to make things right in the Fall Rockingham '95 race and screwed him for good with the lug nut deal, he might have won the title that year! Don't piss of Dale! 418. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Speaking of the 94 AC Delco 500 who here wishes that Rick Mast could have won at least one race in his career. 419. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They're showing a Bruton Smith interview on Speed right now, and he told this story about how one time back in the day he took a nap during the halfway point of a race. What a loser. No wonder he wants halftime breaks in Nascar so bad. 420. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^I do. Mast probably WOULD have won that race the very next year had it not been for the fact that his engine decided to fail on him. He'd utterly dominated that race up until that point. 421. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, thank you. I am leaving RR because of you. I am not going to have people like DSFF arrogantly and disgustingly rubbing stuff like this in my face like immature brats. Even the webmaster is against me. 422. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yep, Rick Mast is definitely one of the best non-winners in Cup history. 423. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The peanut gallery is in full force on NASCAR race day right now. Also congrats to Tony Kanaan and Nico Rosberg on their Memorial Day results. Hopefully the 600 produces a result as good. 424. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) NRF, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Actually, I don't care if it does or not. Also, just in case I forgot to mention it, you lose. Yes, I wish Mast could have won a Winston Cup race. Just not that one where he came the closest in this Earnhardt fan's opinion. Actually, I think we oughta award him half a win for the '91 Winston 500. Pressing what is legal and what isn't, he helped Harry make it to the end on fuel. Also, this infuriated Darell and Hammond which is awesome. Can't stand those two. And they showed replays of Dale's '93 win in the 600! I have resigned myself to the fact that every SPEED list will have a Dale moment at #3 in an attempt to be symbolic. Althought I have no problem with Pearson's first win being #1. 425. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It won't Mr X, because, unlike what was said on NASCAR Race Day, I don't think there are more than five or six cars capable of winning unless something out of the ordinary happens. Those five cars being the three JGR cars, as well as the 5 and 48 cars of HMS. If nothing out of the ordinary happens, the winner will be one of those five because nobody else can match the speed of the JGR cars and the top two HMS cars, and this race will be a speed battle in those final 100 miles, with attrition almost a non-factor these days, which is why the other two HMS cars, the 24 and 88 cars will also likely be non-factors, because they don't have the speed the other two HMS cars have. I think the winner will be either the 5, 11, 18, 20, or 48 cars if nothing out of the ordinary happens, but I think there's a group of about 6-10 cars in that second group if something happens to that first group. 426. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DW just said that IndyCar needs GWC, and Michael just said that Nascar is the most exciting racing in the world. WALTRIP(S), YOU ARE OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 427. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Disgusting Kool Aid drinking and commentary by the Waltrips, did anybody just see that? 428. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So the Waltrips just basically said that the Indy 500 will pale in comparison to this race... Delightful, just delightful! 429. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Disgusting Kool Aid drinking and commentary by the Waltrips, did anybody just see that?" Those two are so pathetic. Who the hell are they to criticize IndyCar and how they run their races? And they obviously weren't watching that race close enough earlier, because it was by far better than any Nascar race I've seen in the past few years. TNT, HURRY!!!!!! 430. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DW just said that IndyCar needs GWC, and Michael just said that Nascar is the most exciting racing in the world. WALTRIP(S), YOU ARE OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^Agreeed, 100 and 10 percent! 431. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Again, they can't have GWCs in IndyCar racing because they wouldn't have enough fuel. Unlike NASCAR, there's a strict limit to how much fuel a team is allowed to use for the 500 miles, and again, going back to the example of the 1972 race at Indy, they can not take fuel from another competitor's tank, or they're effectively out of the race from that point forward. And I think the limit is 280 gallons with the car and fuel tank combined, and if they run out, they're out, where in NASCAR, three's no limit to how much fuel a team can take on during a race. The only limit is how much a car can carry. By the way if you watch the 1974, '75, and '78 Indy races, one of the key things that is talked about is how much fuel is left in the pit tank. In fact, late in the 1974 race, Lloyd Ruby was running third when he ran out of fuel, and his team had no more fuel left in their tank, so he was out for the rest of the day, so if they had GWCs, nobody would have the fuel to do that, because they'd all be out. 432. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree that the satire should probably be toned down for exciting races like the Indy 500. I just meant that we shouldn't get rid of it completely; we'll need it for bore-fests like yesterday's Nationwide race, the All-Star Race, and what I'm sure today's race is going to be. Call me crazy, but 600 laps at Charlotte Motor Speedway is a nap waiting to happen. 433. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, are they really still trying to build up the Kahne/Busch non-feud? 434. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Some people in this world, like the Waltrips, just don't know any better. For them, it's the truth. Nothing we can do about that. Unless you want to do like DSFF and violently hate them for it. 435. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I am sorry to have taken part in this losers convention. Let me know when any of you decide to find your human souls because I shit canistered mine after you shit canistered yours. 436. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yes NicoRosbergFan, I don't know when or why this craziness started, but I do think something needs to be done about it. I know I say crazy and controversial things sometimes, but at least most of what I write has to do with actual racing, or things to do with racing. But again, some fans, particularly fans of certain drivers (I won't name names) don't exactly think straight when they say what they do, and that's a fact. I come from a more impartial viewpoint, since I don't root for any particular driver or team in any sport, but I know tat even my opinions are bothersome at times. Those posting using phony names needs to stop. 437. Jim Davis posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Again, they can't have GWCs in IndyCar racing because they wouldn't have enough fuel." Surely more fuel could be allocated to cover the GWC possibility? This doesn't seem to be an insuperable problem. 438. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nico, with all due respect, you're the one who freaked out when Kanaan won. And then you later said that he was "untalented when it counts", so a lot of us called you on it. In my eyes, that's all that happened. While I certainly understand how DSFF's comment towards you pissed you off, I still feel like it's pretty cheap to lump all of us together into a "loser's convention". If you want to leave, that's you're choice. Go right ahead. I may have disagreed with you on the whole Kanaan thing today, but I've always enjoyed reading your posts and conversing with you. You definitely rub people the wrong way sometimes, but you have a lot of knowledge of the sport. So if you really are leaving, it's been fun... 439. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) MW'S MIC DOESN'T WORK!!!!! IT'S A MIRACLE!!!!! 440. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Your Right CJS This pettiness has gone on long enough. 441. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That is the highlight of this telecast, Mikey's mic went out. Best moment of the year for NASCAR on Fox. And did Darrell just talk about Mark saying "if he'd ever quit driving"? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Darrell hung around for 8 years after his last win, never remotely contending over that stretch (even his time in Dale's Pennzoil car is vastly overrated). 442. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In life, we all make choices. I choose to violently hate the commentary of the Waltrip Brothers. And yes, all this talk about how Nico lost today has gone on enough. I'm done with that, I promise. 443. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Look, NicoRosbergFan, I don't see what your problem is. No one was "masturbating", as you so eloquently put it, over Tony's win. We were all just happy for Kanaan, who is one of the most likeable drivers in racing, period. Is he the most talented driver in IndyCar? Of course not, but is he more likeable than superior talents like Dario and Marco? Absolutely. The same can be said for NASCAR. Is David Gilliland more talented than, say, Jimmie Johnson or Kyle Busch? No, but is he more likeable? Yes, yes, and yes again. The fact of the matter is, over on this website, we pull for the underdogs and the likeable drivers, whereas over at NASCAR.com, for example, you'll find the majority of JR Nation and the fans of drivers like Johnson and Busch. Let me ask you this. Who would you rather have win a race in NASCAR: Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, or Dave Blaney? For me, it would be Blaney hands down, and I'm sure most of the other users on this site would agree. I'll end with this: since 2006, Tony Kanaan has finished 6th, 3rd, 3rd, 6th, 6th, 5th, and 9th in IndyCar points, has won 8 races (not counting today's), and has 29 podium finishes. What about your favorite driver, Nico Rosberg? Since 2006, Rosberg has finished 17th, 9th, 13th, 7th, 7th, 7th, and 9th in F1 points, has won just 1 race (not counting today's, and has finished on the podium 8 times. If this doesn't clear things up, NicoRosbergFan, I don't know what will. 444. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK, I cooled off. No, seriously, what happened today was too much. I'm not afraid to post my opinions. My little Kanaan diatribe had a place, but it wasn't done properly. 445. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brutus Smith needs to look at the crowd tonight and then ask himself if he's serious about moving a second race to Vegas. Certainly no less empty seats than Vegas at a track with bigger capacity. NASCAR would be stupid to let an egomaniac move a race from here, it will hurt the teams and HOF as well. 446. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, murb has the best comment all week. 447. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Classy tribute to the troops at both Charlotte and Indy today. 448. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Robin Meade just flubbed the National Anthem. 449. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am sorry for the outburst. I was really emotional because I wanted Munoz to win so bad, and then Franchitti's wreck screwed up what may have been the biggest upset in motorsports history. 450. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well Damnit this has gone to far!! I thought my Cheever question had everybody distracted. Personally, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and while I may disagree with NRF's he is most certainly entitled to his. Just a thought. 451. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WinstonCup4Ever, she did it at Talladega as well, why would they invite her back? Her Looks? Boobs? That girl who did the anthem yesterday did a great job. 452. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) We all love love. 453. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kannan's Win at Indy was Like Elway & the Broncos Winning Superbowl XXXII or Dale SR winning the 1998 Daytona 500. 454. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Okay, we got that out of the way. Now let's watch hopefully someone other than RoboPrick win the 600. lol, I'm kidding, Johnson fans. 455. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael Waltrip's mic was apparently not working for his trackwalk segment. Apparently FOX is finally starting to listen to us fans, lol.. 456. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brutus Smith needs to look at the crowd tonight and then ask himself if he's serious about moving a second race to Vegas. Certainly no less empty seats than Vegas at a track with bigger capacity." Kenny Wallace also needs to look at the crowd, because earlier he too was crowing on about how no one comes to Charlotte anymore. 457. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @451 I didn't see her do it at Talladega. I was at Church and visiting a friend at the hospital. But I agree with your comment. Why can't we be more like the Canadians. At least they have "PRIDE" when they sing their national anthem. 458. Rusty posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Michael Waltrip "America finally got what they want, a Waltrip that can't talk." First time I've agreed with anything that came out of his mouth. 459. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice Crowd! 460. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #454 Are there any actual Jimmie Johnson fans here? I don't believe I've ever come across one on this site. 461. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As usual, the rest of the family has possession of the TV, so I'm left with NASCAR.com's Live Leaderboard and PRN Radio to listen to. Meh, life could be worse. I could actually watch the race on Fox. 462. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fans have voted with their feet tonight. 463. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Are there any actual Jimmie Johnson fans here? I don't believe I've ever come across one on this site." I don't think any regulars are, but I thought I would just throw in the apology anyways, lol 464. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll be following the battle for last-place throughout the evening. Joe Nemechek currently in the lead, with Scott Speed 2nd, Landon Cassill 3rd, Michael McDowell 4th, and B.O.B. 5th. Nemechek's lead is .3 seconds. 465. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Timmy Hill moves to 4th, pole-sitter Josh Wise up to 5th. 466. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lead-change: Scott Speed to point. 467. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Much of the NASCAR ads I see today are so annoying. Why can't much of them be more like they were back then. 468. Kenny posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey guys I'm liking this race so far And I know I'm gonna get voted down but I'm gonna mis fox when there gone I like DW 469. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's not just NASCAR ads...I think 95% of today's TV advertisements are utterly annoying beyond belief. 470. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scott Speed to the garage, Josh Wise moves up to 4th. 471. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK, and honestly, before I shutter picks for good, stop me. I have panicked over this for a while, and now I bowed out from fear. What should I do about this freaking doubleheader in Detroit this weekend? 472. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Top 10: 95, 87, 33, 35, 32, 34, 98, 83, 36, 10. 473. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Already missed a lead change due to commercial. 474. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Landon Cassill takes over 2nd from Joe Nemechek, then is passed by Trevor Bayne. Nemechek back to 5th. 475. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Of course. It's more important that we see commercials for KFC Boneless Chicken than an actual pass for the lead. 476. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Another missed lead change by FAUX, fantastic job. 477. Kenny posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 472 wtf? 478. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I thought I heard something about Col Oliver North was the grand Marshall or something like that is at the race are we talking about THAT Oliver North? 479. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BoB biggest mover?!?! 480. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Uh oh, BoB is about to go a lap down. 481. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looks like someone was trying to rob Danica tonight with that food wrapper but ended up hitting Trevor Bayne by mistake. 482. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica loses a lap 483. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I bet Indycar really misses Danica... 484. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just remember murb, to be the biggest mover, you have to start at or near the back. Still not the best list to be on. 485. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael McDowell given a speeding penalty, moves into 2nd. Landon Cassill back in 3rd. 486. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fox misses more stuff. This time, it's the beginning of green flag stops. You're right Mr X. As soon as I posted that, she not surprisingly went a lap down. 487. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Pit stops cycle out. Top 10 (or Bottom 10 if you're Kenny): 95, 98, 35, 87, 33, 36, 32, 34, 7, 13. 488. Kenny posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wtf are you guys talking about? 489. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) They're suggesting that the cause of Tony Stewart's struggles is the fact that the Indy 500 hadn't happened yet? Really?! 490. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DW thinks that Stewart will start winning because the Indy 500 has now been completed. It has been over ten years since Tony had anything to do with the Indy 500, so good logic DW. 491. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Casey Mears is now up in 3rd, David Ragan in 4th. 492. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb I too was curious about that theory. 493. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two of Stewart's three wins last season came before the Indy 500... 494. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael McDowell to the garage, joining race leader Scott Speed. 495. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenny, look at comment #464. 496. Kenny posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 495 I seen it 497. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne already has half the field a lap down. 498. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I accept your apology Nico, and I apologize too. Lord knows I've had outbursts like that. I am afraid to look at the 2011 Daytona Truck page for fear what I may have said. At work, will be checking the ambulance off soon, then hopefully get to watch the rest of it. Hopefully no calls til after midnight. 499. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joe Nemechek back up to 4th. Top 10: 95, 98, 13, 87, 34, 33, 35, 32, 36, 83. 500. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm even more surprised that DW didn't also try to suggest that Danica's performance would improve considerably now that the Indy 500 had come and gone. Got to find SOMETHING to blame for Danica's struggles other than herself! 501. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The first boredom caution of the night. 502. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bruton Caution Count: 1 503. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From now on I will always refer to suspect debris cautions in which no debris is shown as "boredom cautions". 504. Racin Gardner posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) NASCAR is awful. How can you watch this garbage. I'm sure they'll be 5 other fake cautions this race. Can't wait till IRL is back on top 505. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Racin Gardner...? Didn't he race in the '96 Indy 500? 506. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Leader Scott Speed back on the track, 50 laps down. 507. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else think Indy's ratings will beat Charlotte's? 508. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) STOP BUILDING UP THIS STUPID KAHNE VS BUSCH SHIT, DARRELL. 509. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, this was a mistake. I'll cut it out now. 510. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jesus Christ, enough of "Kahne vs. Kyle: When Will They Wreck Each Other?", FOX! I hope to GOD Kahne and Kyle DON'T wreck each other. If they actually do, FOX will NEVER stop orgasming over it. 511. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, for those who said this was a fake caution, Aric Almirola was the one who spotted the debris and reported it to his team, who reported it to NASCAR. 512. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FOR PETE'S SAKE, CUT IT OUT FOX! 513. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many laps will Kahne lead, 250. His car is flying. 514. rtcrules posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #460, I wouldn't call myself a Jimmie Johnson fan but I appreciate what he has accomplished and find myself defending him. There is no driver I really consider myself a fan of. I don't post often and when I do it's usually off topic, but I follow here cause I'm always at work during races and you guys entertain me and are more educated on racing then most NASCAR fans. Keep up the good spirited debates. 515. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really? I thought Danica Patrick had bigger stories than Hendrick vs Gibbs. 516. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why do I have this feeling NASCAR is about to throw another "debris caution" since BoB is in the free pass position? 517. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Remember the list of five cars I brought up as the only ones I felt had a chance of winning in post #425? Well, that's the current top five, the 5, 18, 20, 11, and 48 cars (I listed them in numerical order in that post). Those were the five I thought could win, and those are the top five right now. 518. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would just like to mention that the BBC broadcast from Monoco which aired on TSN didn't have a commercial break until lap 31. 519. Chives posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've watched two stellar races today, and it's sad to say that I've been sort of dreading this race... 520. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I swear DW gets dumber every week. Suggesting that Tony's struggles are because of the Indianapolis 500, when he hasn't had anything to do with the race since 2004 (and hasn't had anything serious to do with it since 2002). At least TNT is coming back in two weeks.... for a way too short six weeks then we get to be tortured by BSPN for the rest of the season. 521. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BSPN's broadcasts are terrible and annoying, but not enough to make me wish I was deaf. FOX, on the other hand...Their broadcasts make me wish I was blind, deaf, and dumb. So I have to give the nod to FOX for being the worst at broadcasting races. 522. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Pathetic, just pathetic. The PRN announcers were talking about what a great day today is for racing. They mentioned the F1 race, but neither one knew who had won the race (Garrow guessed Kimi Raikkonen). They had to have one of the pit reporters tell them who it was. The ignorance that NASCAR and their fans have for other racing leagues is shocking. 523. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mears wrecks. 524. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mears in the wall. Caution. 525. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, to a lot of the "peanut gallery", NASCAR is the only actual form of racing there is... *GASP* A legit caution for Casey Mears! 526. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon drops 4 spots in the pits. Of course, if anyone has to cost him a good run, it's his pit crew... 527. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch's pit crew sure does have a lot of slow pit stops. 528. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm not a NASCAR fan, Indycar fan, F1 fan, Bike fan or sportscar fan. I'm a motorsport fan. 529. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #78 pit crew gave Kurt a 16-second pit stop, dropping him from 4th to 10th. Kurt's doing a hell of a job this season, but his team is holding him back, and that pit stop is just another example. 530. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yes, before you ask, I have honest to goodness seen people on the Internet ask if there was any other racing league out there besides NASCAR. So there are NASCAR "fans" out there completely unaware that the IRL and F1 actually exist. Which is just sad. 531. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To be fair, too many Europeans, F1 is the only racing there as well. Especially when I lived in the UK where none of the British driver's accomplishments outside of F1 were shown on Big TV or media. Never a mention of Allan McNish's Le Mans win or Dario's Indy 500 win. 532. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Caution for a Coke bottle. Good job guys. 533. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ...Please, dear God, do NOT tell me NASCAR threw the caution for a Coke bottle. 534. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With renewals coming up I'm seriously thinking about giving up my Daytona 500 tower tickets for Indy 500 next year. I'm not sure about it but it's close. 535. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) (Gasps). Another caution flies for no apparent reason. And Danica is the free pass recipient! 536. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think it is time to get rid of the double file restarts. 537. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I guess it was for a loose cable or something. Still, pretty dumb of Fox to lead people into thinking it was for the Coke bottle. 538. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ...bloody hell. The caution is for debris. Legitimate debris. According to PRN, it's part of the cabling from FOX's cable cam on the track. o.o 539. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wow. I missed A TON. Thoughts: - I was able to check on the Indy 500 via my sister's phone, and I must say I'm indifferent toward the winner. - The FOX signal to our TV is nonexistent (it's extremely windy outside), so I'll listen to the race on PRN. - Concerning NicoRosbergFan, wow, what a battle. But I'm glad to see everyone calmed down from their rage/immaturity/passionate defense of the winner, and are friends again. NRF, you're a great guy, and you certainly can voice your opinions here. But you might try it a little more tactfully next time. I have certainly had my outbursts in the past (the whole "David Ragan has won more in the past five years than Dale Jr." thing), so you're not the only one here who does that. - Concerning Kanaan himself, I echo what Destroyahirismix666 said in post #370. All drivers except Danica (and maybe a few others) have some level of talent. - As for satirical comments, I'll say this: take everything in moderation. Contrary to popular belief, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. In closing: go Jeff!! 540. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow. I had a bad feeling about that cable cam when I saw it at daytona this year. 541. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) the cable for Fox's "sky cam" or whatever they call it fell 542. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Great job FOX, now you do damage to more than just your viewers. You just impacted the race. 543. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR officiating Ladies and Gents NA$CAR officiating. 544. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I like how FOX had their analysts try to downplay the magnitude of the Indianapolis 500 (a "rival" series on a rival network) during the pre-race show, then have one of their camera cables cause a caution to come out. I don't recall ABC/ESPN doing that earlier today. 545. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW, Kyle Busch's car is destroyed. 546. Darrell Waltrip posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Annd wheel be raght back to Charlotte Motor Speedway for the Coca-Cola 600!! (Commercial break) Oh, god. I can't do this much longer. Pretending to be this total Danica-worshipping, Digger-loving moron is taking a toll on my health. Help me. Please. I didn't want to be part of this. They made me sign the contract. They told me that I would be endearing myself to all racing fans. But they LIED!!! And now, look what I've become. Nothing more than an overgrown fur-less monkey that you all ridicule with passion. But you can help me. You can... (Camera light flashes on LIVE.) Whail, howdy, all! The cawtion's come out, and guess who's the free pass recipi, ricpi, uh, the free pass winner! And while we're at it, let me tell y'all about the new Digger merchandahce on mah website... 547. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No wonder FOX isn't showing it! 548. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Ambrose ran it over and it just screwed his race. Great, great, great job Fox. 549. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Okay, the faux posts really need to stop. I'm about completely over it. 550. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, what took you so long to figure that out. I've been saying for a while that they need to get rid of the double-file restarts because it favors a line, not necessarily the drivers running up front. 551. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well it ain't the first time a NASCAR network's tv equipment has failed this bad. Remember in 2001 at Watkins Glen when NBC/TNT's telementary box caught fire inside Robby Gordon's car? 552. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FOX has only briefly mentioned the cable stuck to Ambrose's car, but not that their cable cam is on the track. 553. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Oh, god. I can't do this much longer. Pretending to be this total Danica-worshipping, Digger-loving moron is taking a toll on my health. Help me. Please. I didn't want to be part of this. They made me sign the contract. They told me that I would be endearing myself to all racing fans. But they LIED!!! And now, look what I've become. Nothing more than an overgrown fur-less monkey that you all ridicule with passion. But you can help me. You can..." I kind of really wish this was the case with Darrell. This is probably a first; the first time non-crash debris causes the red flag. 554. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR has given Ambrose's crew a free pass to make as many repairs as they need, and will give the 9 its position back in the field when they're done. 555. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Remember in 2001 at Watkins Glen when NBC/TNT's telementary box caught fire inside Robby Gordon's car?" At least they apologized for it. No apology from Fox thus far for Ambrose and the 9 team. 556. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Disgusting how FOX is covering this all up on television 557. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Per PRN: The cable cam itself is still suspended on the two cables that support it, but there's two other cables that are associated with it, and those are the cables that have dropped. 558. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Wow. Red flag because of Fox's cable. Kyle Busch's fast race car is also torn up. FOX, GET OUT. 559. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If it was over the granstands and fell it would have killed spectators. FOX should have to pay a monetary penalty for this. 560. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How long will it take until fox tells us what we know and admit to causing this delay? 561. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a CRAZY day. 562. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just find it interesting that Fox actually showed some kind of debris during this debris caution and then Mike Joy questioned the need for a debris caution. That being said for once we have a legit one. 563. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 18 car is also getting a "free pass" for repairs as needed by NASCAR. 564. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) for everyone i've seen / heard today (not just on this page) who said / thought that the indy 500 finish was bullshit / a letdown because it ended under caution, at least they didn't have a f**king camera cable break and land on the track. whatever black mark indycar gave themselves, nascar just gave themselves a black mark that's 10x bigger. 565. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) This is unbelievable. 566. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I thought it wasn't possible for FOX to get worse. I was wrong...Their cable cam has ruined the race for more than a few drivers. 567. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Still no apology. 568. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) FOX is a complete f#$%ing joke. I wouldn't blame Shrub and Marcos one bit for ripping 'em to shreds if they were interviewed right now. 569. Rusty posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) FOX is a joke, holy crap. 570. startandparkfan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, this is strange... 571. Chives posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, we'll never see that FOX camera again. 572. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael Waltrip sliding a Sprint reference there regarding the phone Kyle used to take a picture of his car. 573. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PRN: What fell were the nylon ropes that control the cablecam. 574. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, unfortunately, that takes any chance that Kyle Busch has to win right out the window. This was as bad as what happened at Martinsville in 2004, which took any chance of Jeff Gordon winning that race from him, even though he had the best car. But it's totally ridiculous for an outside force like a cable cam to affect the race. And apparently, Jamie McMurray's car hit a Coke bottle that was thrown onto the track, and Jeff Gordon's car may also have been affected. Now I'm all for networks trying new ways to bring the race to the fans, but not in a way that could affect the race, and one of the fastest cars, which happens to be the LEADER of the race, now has virtally no chance to win. 575. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Kyle Busch grabbed his phone and started taking pictures of the damage done to his right front fender. Chris Myers thought he was tweeting the picture to his followers, but then Mikey chimed in and said he was taking pictures for his team to see what damage had been done so they can prepare to fix it. When Michael Waltrip starts making more sense than you, it's time to find another occupation. 576. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) In addition, this race is gonna last even longer now. Great... 577. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PRN: NASCAR will give the crews 15 minutes to repair their cars. David Hoots have told the inspectors that the teams can do ANYTHING to their cars during that time period, regardless of whether or not it was cable-caused damage, and the cars will resume their prior position afterwards. 578. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) FOX has just figured out a new way to ruin races! I just had a feeling that stupid "Sky Cam" was gonna fail in a big way some day. Just stick to the regular cameras. The Sky Cam is disorienting anyways. 579. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) New14 & 88Fan, can you imagine what A.J. Foyt or Tony Stewart say if they were in contention and their race had been affected by something like this? 580. Racin Gardner posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Y'all shoulda listened to me 581. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) We already have FAUX NEWS, now we have FAUX SPORTS. 582. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think someone (I don't remember who exactly, but I think it was the 24 team) said that Kenseth threw the Coke bottle. I know Kenseth threw a drink bottle under the previous caution and hit Denny Hamlin's car. 583. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) At least Nascar is giving the teams a break on this one. Total bullshit. Fox should be ashamed of themselves. And they STILL haven't apologized to the drivers and teams affected, or the fans. 584. Jay posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Why does it seem as if almost all NASCAR fans are so ungrateful about NASCAR? 585. Jay posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And what happened to Stremme? 586. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jay: Stremme parked, I believe. 587. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) as much as we make fun of fox they get some interesting shit happening the Potholes in Martinsville and Daytona the f-ing screwed up restart in Dover in 2004 the numerous electrical issues at Phoenix and Vegas the light falling off the wall and into the track in Auto Club(?) (when was that 2009? 2010? those 2 years run together for me) that Juan Jet Dryer this 588. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) I will admit though with the joke I made. I actually like FOX NEWS over any other news outlet on tv. 589. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Looks like somebody is once again thumbing down honest and FACTUAL comments. 590. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But it's totally ridiculous for an outside force like a cable cam to affect the race." That, I totally agree with. It is grossly unfair to drivers affected by it. "When Michael Waltrip starts making more sense than you, it's time to find another occupation." I will laugh hard about this later, but right now I'm too frustrated. 591. RaceFanX posted: 05.26.2013 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't believe what I'm seeing. NASCAR has given everyone a free 15-minute period to work on their cars under the red flag. What an unusual twist to an unusual issue. 592. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) I made the joke to show people how angry they are with FOX tonight. But yeah, like I said, I like FOX NEWS because they at least can get their facts together unlike the heavy bias CNN and MSNBC give us for news. 593. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I never thought Na$car could find a way to look more foolish than when Montoya hit the jet drier and it caught on fire, but they just topped themselves. Na$car. A sport from 1948-2003. Vaugely sports related entertainment from 2004-present. 594. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess Michael Waltrip has found is way onto racing reference and is giving 25,000 dollar fines (thumbs downs) to those who say anything bad about FOX or NASCAR. 595. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "we had a sprinkler come on at a race earlier" thanks Doug Rice, I forgot about that add that to my list of "WTF" things that happened during Fox's broadcasts 596. Cooper posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ROFLMAO Just Wow... I wish I had something to say. I watch most races these days for the giggles but this is just hilarious. 597. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoever is thumbing down all the 100% factual comments, have some balls. Reveal who you are. 598. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "since when Juan Montoya hit the Jet dryer" dont blame NASCAR for that...that was an accident...that was funny as hell 599. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will give props to NASCAR. This is the proper way to handle this absurd situation. Also Regis Philbin say whaaa?!? I thought he retired? 600. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race maybe even worse than Daytona. 601. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I agree I commend NASCAR for this. FOX is the real villain here. 602. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think it is time to outright BAN Fox from covering NASCAR Races. 603. Cooper posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR's next decision: There will be a mandatory yellow with two to go and cars may only have three tires on the cars! 604. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) FOX STILL HASN'T APOLOGIZED!!!! DO THEY NOT REALIZE THAT THIS IS ALL THEIR FAULT?!?!? 605. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PRN says Jimmie Johnson is having alternator problems. 606. The Final Gear posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Every memorial day a part of the racing fan in me dies because the worst race is on last, this is horrible. I'm done watching tonight, this is stupid. Monaco was great, Indy was too much like Talladega for my tastes but was still good, this is horrible. A true measure of how much NASCAR has fallen. 607. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) And now FOX is telling us how this situation isn't so bad as it benefits Dale Jr. Can FOX get any worse? I'd say they couldn't, but I'm certain they will surprise me... 608. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan about TV Ratings I doubt it ABC did such a bad job promoting the race. 600 should win ratings war. 609. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hardly, TPB. Both ESPN and NBC showed ads for it, and I watched about 30 minutes of ESPN a day, and I saw ads for it every day. 610. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gee Fox, I wonder why Denny's not happy. MAYBE BECAUSE HE PROBABLY RAN OVER YOUR CABLE? 611. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) oh and if you WANT to include that nationwide race when the entire field wrecked out on lap 12 in my "WTF moments that occured on Fox's watch" you can...I wont judge you if you do or dont 612. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) OK, that's it. If anything of what you've said about FOX is true, then I'm finally ready for them to leave, too. The only reason I have stood them for so long is because they're the only non-cable network that covers NASCAR (except when ESPN broadcasts on ABC), and therefore they carry the only races I can watch. But now, they have finally crossed the line wiht me. Not apologizing for "Cablegate" is ridiculous, low, and disgusting. I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hope that NBC (not NBCSN, I can't get that channel) gets those NASCAR races they've been supposedly vying for, because just about anything is better than this. I'm not blaming FOX for the failure in the first place, because stuff like that happens, but NOT APOLOGIZING FOR IT is just about the most despicable, deplorable thing that they can do. FOX, you disgust me. I'm fed up with you. Just leave, and I don't care what happens to you. (If this was overboard, so be it.) 613. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) As a conservative, FOX sucks out the wazoo for all things, particularly NFL (I hate the goose). 614. Bronco posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2010 Daytona 500 all over again. 615. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You're not going overboard, David. This is disgusting coverage. 616. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I agree with all the people who say that NASCAR made a great call with this pit stop. And this is not biased at all, since many cars had significant damage. 617. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Who thinks TNT should start their NASCAR coverage now beginning with Dover next week? 618. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another problem Nico though has always been a lack of consistency. While it's great to see commercials there hasn't been a single indycar race on network television all year and the NBCSN races have all been in front of tiny audiences with 200k-300k viewers, mostly down from last year. Also, many people are out for memorial day Sunday especially the west coast where the race starts at 9 (!) AM. If Indy beats Charlotte, it should be considered a MAJOR victory for Indycar, last year was their best chance and they didn't. 619. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) apparently there are some injuries in the stands. this just keeps getting better. 620. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC or TNT should have full season coverage of NASCAR, in my book. 621. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "apparently there are some injuries in the stands." And no Fox apology. 622. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This joke is helping IndyCar though. Let's get the other end of the cable and cook the FOX booth just enough to make the Waltrips, Joy, and McReynolds quit. 623. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Like I said FOX needs to pay up. 624. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OH MY GOD! FOX FINALLY APOLOGIZED! 625. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FINALLY!!!!!!!! IT ONLY TOOK YOU ABOUT A HALF HOUR FOR AN APOLOGY!!!!!! 626. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FOX, or NASCAR for that matter, apologize?!?!?! *faints* 627. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Injures in the stands mostly turn 1 apparently. 628. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had a friend here today sitting in the Turn 1 Grandstand by the Condos I'm scared now. Obviously cant contact him. 629. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This reminds me of the Super Bowl when the lights when out." - Darrell Yeah, except the network wasn't responsible for it. 630. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Have I missed the downfall of Fox coverage? 631. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like how the first thing Larry McReynolds mentioned when the cars began rolling was how their "segments" were messed up. Really Larry. 632. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hope everything is good with your friend, TeamPlayers. "Have I missed the downfall of Fox coverage?" You should be glad you missed it. Absolutely cringeworthy and gutless coverage. 633. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was about to say this if there was injuries and no apology: "FOX, GET THE FREAKING HECK OUT OF THIS UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!!!" NASCAR made a terrific call. At this point, the Formula One commentators would do a million times better than this sorry excuse for a network. At least they sounded intelligent when they mentioned NASCAR. 634. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I was about to say this if there was injuries and no apology: "FOX, GET THE FREAKING HECK OUT OF THIS UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!!!"" They still haven't even mentioned the potential injuries or apologized for them. Chris Myers gave a brief five second apology for their impact on the race and that's it. 635. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow! a historically inaccurate fact regarding Jeff Gordon, Fox truely is setting the bar. 636. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the next five FOX races I watch, I will protest them by watching the TV on mute (except for possibly the Daytona 500, and maybe if they show some semi-interesting stuff during race broadcasts). FOX's apology at this point is just three notches above worthless. It's completely worthless if they waited until after they heard about injuries to apologize. 637. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TNT and NBC need to take over all the NASCAR broadcast now, not even BSPN is this horrid. 638. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bronco, you mention that this is like the 2010 Daytona 500 all over again. Let's not forget that this also happened at the Super Bowl with the power outage that really changed the character of that game, but fortunately, not the result. really these big events are not getting any breaks at all. The Daytona 500s of 2010 and 2012, the last four Indianapolis 500s all finishing under caution, despite the great racing the last two years, the Super Bowl, and now the Coca-Cola 600 tonight. And it almost happened at the Masters this year, because they almost ran out of daylight in the playoff, but fortunately Adam Scott averted that potential sports TV disaster from happening. But these big events certainly haven't been catching any breaks in recent years. 639. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "a historically inaccurate fact regarding Jeff Gordon, Fox truely is setting the bar." What was it? Actual foxes could probably broadcast a race better than FOX. 640. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, let's not forget that David Hobbs actually was an analyst on some of the NASCAR races CBS did from the late 70s through as far as the 90s, particularly the Daytona 500, and actually drove two NASCAR races in 1976, including the Daytona 500. 641. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They said that Gordon's first win was the 1993 Coke 600 when it was actually 1994. 642. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FOX should change it's name to WEASEL 643. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy said that Jeff Gordon won the Coca Cola 600 in 1993 for his first win, when it was actually 1994. 644. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David, let's not forget that David Hobbs actually was an analyst on some of the NASCAR races CBS did from the late 70s through as far as the 90s, particularly the Daytona 500, and actually drove two NASCAR races in 1976, including the Daytona 500." Man, I forgot about that during my mad rage. Maybe NBC will hire him. Oh wait, he's already hired by NBC. 645. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 10 fans hurt by the camera debacle. FOX STILL does not apologize for those fans' injuries. 646. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) They finally mention the injuries, but of course don't apologize. 647. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Maybe FOX should be FUX. 648. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) PRN: 10 fans injured, 7 treated and released from the care center, 3 transported for further evaluation. 649. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FOX should just be renamed plain old DUM. 650. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well there's ten fans this 'sport' wont ever get back. Damn shame. 651. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) OH MY GOD! DANICA IS LEADING! DANICA IS LEADING! WHAT A GREAT MOMENT FOR THIS SPORT! 652. Chives posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DW fapping to Danica for leading a lap under green flag pit stops... Why do I even bother? 653. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) NASCAR on FOX, you give a bad name to good foxes everywhere. 654. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ridiculous how he acts like her leading under green flag stops is a legitimate achievement. 655. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Which lap did she supposedly lead, anyway? Because on NASCAR.com's leaderbord the 2 was ahead of the 10 on lap 177, and the 20 led 178... 656. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Which lap did she supposedly lead, anyway?" I don't even think she led a lap. She just led for like 100 yards before coming into the pits. 657. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To cap things off there was nearly a Human crush at the Indy 500 gates today due to poor management of getting into the gates. Go to trackforum to see pics. Looks crazy. 658. 83andJoe posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Indeed: "Cars coming in for green-flag pit stops. Danica Patrick grabs the lead but pits and does not officially lead a lap." -LiveLeaderboard 659. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OH...MY...HEAVEN!!!! Did FOX REALLY NOT APOLOGIZE FOR INJURIES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 660. NadeauFan91 posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) "I made the joke to show people how angry they are with FOX tonight. But yeah, like I said, I like FOX NEWS because they at least can get their facts together unlike the heavy bias CNN and MSNBC give us for news." A news outlet is only biased if you don't agree with them...With that said, they all suck. 661. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "FOX should change it's name to WEASEL" On Grand Theft Auto IV, there's a FOX News parody network called "Weasel News." "Mike Joy said that Jeff Gordon won the Coca Cola 600 in 1993 for his first win, when it was actually 1994." I think Mike is just in it for the paycheck at this point. Shame, he still has his moments of brilliance in the announce booth, but between him not making much sense at times and playing wingman to D.W. and Larry Mac at other times, I just think he'd rather be doing something else. He sure loves doing those six hour Barrett Jackson telecasts with Bob Varsha though... 662. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Goodie, the FOX mid race report. 663. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "On Grand Theft Auto IV, there's a FOX News parody network called "Weasel News."" lol, I was thinking the same thing when he posted that, but I didn't want to nerd out. "Coming up next on Weazel, Republican Space Rangers!!!!" 664. 13 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy said Kyle won the preliminary race yesterday, not Nationwide preliminary 665. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally a decent apology from them. Overall though, they should be ashamed of their coverage throughout that ordeal. 666. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad is officially in a big ass slump. Need to get it together and quick or they could miss thw chase. They are running mid pack and getting caught in all the garbage that happens mid pack. 667. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only two people on NASCAR on FOX that I have sympathy for are Mike Joy, because he's been slowly brainwashed towards the FOX method of NASCAR broadcasting, and Chris Myers, because he lost his son last year. 668. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad might be the first Champion Since Dale SR in 1981 to be shut out of Victory lane. 669. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Power Ranger: Airborne Rangers 670. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The only two people on NASCAR on FOX that I have sympathy for are Mike Joy, because he's been slowly brainwashed towards the FOX method of NASCAR broadcasting, and Chris Myers, because he lost his son last year." I have sympathy for Mike Joy too, and while I'm sorry that Chris Myers lost his son in a car wreck last year, he's done too much talking down to me and has given too much of a "I don't care about Nascar and I'm just doing this because NFL season is over" vibe for me to like him. 671. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now I feel bad, because they apologized, finally. This is still garbage coverage. 672. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm not a huge nerd, but speaking of GTA is anyone else excited for September 17th? 673. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They apologized a few times now. I'm not trying to defend Fox or anything but that cable could have broken with any network. They did a bad job covering it and not apologizing at first, but at least it seems like they've admitted their error. 674. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm not a huge nerd, but speaking of GTA is anyone else excited for September 17th?" YES!!!! GTA V looks awesome!!! 675. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I never cared for Chris Meyers, and as I have said before, Mike Joy, DW and Larry Mac seem to have good on-screen Chemistry, and they do seem to care for each other and it looks like the fox team all do care for each other. thats one reason why I always liked Fox's coverage when I was younger 676. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see more of a Bobby Labonte 2001 vibe for Brad Keselowski's championship encore. 677. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I'm not trying to defend Fox or anything but that cable could have broken with any network." Absolutely. Stuff like that happens. And when it does, there's nothing you can do to reverse it. But when they don't apologize for a half-hour, they put themselves in a deep hole. 678. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth just kills everybody at the end of long runs. 679. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In response to the question of if I am excited for GTA V. In the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin OH HELL YEAH. 680. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "thats one reason why I always liked Fox's coverage when I was younger" Yes, but when you were younger, they had better coverage. 681. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth's lead is over six seconds. Probably not going to be much longer before NASCAR throws a boredom caution... 682. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Need to get it together and quick or they could miss the chase." Imagine if it came down to Brad and Jeff Gordon for the final Chase spot. Nighty night, Brad. "speaking of GTA is anyone else excited for September 17th?" I sure am. I'm pretty excited that you get to control three different characters on the same game (as opposed to GTA IV, where you had to switch games to play as different characters). Apparently the two characters not in-use by the player at any given time will still be doing stuff on their own while not on-camera, which could lead to some interesting scenarios once the player takes control of them. "Brad might be the first Champion Since Dale SR in 1981 to be shut out of Victory lane." Not true, Brad does have that meaningful Nationwide win to his name this season. ;) 683. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth really is dominating this race. 6 plus seconds now. 684. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yeah, I'm definitely not blaming Fox for the cable breaking. That could happen with any network. But their coverage of it was absolutely unacceptable. First off, they had to have known immediately that the cable to their camera broke, right? So what do they do? After the caution comes out, they put the camera on the Coke bottle to try and get us to believe that that was the reason for debris. And then of course it takes them about a half hour to apologize to the drivers who were affected. And then it takes them even longer to apologize to not only the fans who were stuck at home watching this train wreck, but also the fans WHO WERE SENT TO THE HOSPITAL because of their cable breaking. So the way they handled it was just garbage. I didn't think I could lose any more respect for them this year, but it happened. 685. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully when Paul Wolfe comes back next week they can get back on track. 686. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution out for debris on the backstretch. Montoya will get the Lucky Dog. 687. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also Fox seemed to give a Rats ass back then. 688. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The thing I'm most excited for about GTA V is that apparently it's gonna be the largest open world that they've ever had in one of their games. Just roaming around and exploring the world is probably my favorite thing to do in GTA games, so I'm definitely excited. 689. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I don't know if you noticed but apparently the operator of Fox's live ticker can't count past 5, as I just saw the ticker read 5th Denny Hamlin, 7th Jeff Gordon, and 6th Jimmie Johnson. You couldn't crawl under the bar Fox sets. 690. rtcrules posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sometimes Im glad Im stuck reading you guys and listening to the radio. Cant wait for GTA V. Really liked IV and Red Dead Redemption was better. And heres a BS debris caution... 691. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I told you they would throw a boredom caution soon. Can't let someone have a lead over 6 seconds, NASCAR has to find a way to make things more exciting! 692. jgfan2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) this is the worst race i have ever seen 693. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You were right, Schroeder. 694. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Really liked IV and Red Dead Redemption was better." I liked Red Dead a lot too. 695. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) French Driver Jacques Debris sure has brought out a lot of yellows in his NASCAR career since his rookie 2005 year. 696. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jgfan didn't see the 2013 or 2000 Daytona 500. 697. jabber1990 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to bash fox, but all we need to know is Cablegate: from the network that brought you Family Guy, Rush Limbaugh, and of course the network that gave Glen Beck credibilty this comes from a guy who likes Family Guy and used to like Glen Beck, before I realised he was pissed off about being Glen Beck 698. Rich56 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It'll never change. I've given up hope. NASCAR started throwing these stupid debris cautions for nothing on the track in 2004 and have done it every year since. We will never see a car lap the field or open up a 10 second lead again because they won't ever be allowed to 699. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting comparison Ben. I touched on this earlier when talking about Dale's success, but I feeel I think Brad needs to find his Teresa like Dale did. Ever since his title, Brad just seems a little all over the place. While Dale simply had no idea what to do with his early success, Brad has a very clear vision that looks good on paper, but in reality is hurting him. I don't think it is the right path. He needs somebody to focus him the way only a loving soulmate can. Or he can be ruled by a controlling conniving bitch the way Jeff was by Brooke during his glory years then take him to the cleaners just cause she can (that divorce settlement was ridiculous). But I'd prefer he finds a Teresa type to love him and focus him. 700. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I am SO GLAD I watched the F1 race this morning, because I actually got to see REAL RACE COVERAGE. "You couldn't crawl under the bar Fox sets." You couldn't trip over it either, as it's underground. 701. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Get NBC to do NASCAR and the network version to do the Indy 500! 702. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Well jabber, in all fairness, I'd be pretty pissed off if I had to be Glen Beck too. 703. rtcrules posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #688, Yeah the map is rumored to be the size of GTA IV, San Andreas, and Red Red Combined. Why cant there be a good NASCAR game? Papyrus was the only ones who made a real good NASCAR game. 704. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Or he can be ruled by a controlling conniving bitch the way Jeff was by Brooke during his glory years then take him to the cleaners just cause she can (that divorce settlement was ridiculous)." Darn, was it that bad? 705. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hey Lets get Joe Buck to cover this race and then we'll really have the cure for insomnia. 706. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) With the exception of MW losing his mic earlier the best thing I've seen all night is the fan with the hoops hoop and boxing gloves. 707. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a shame Gordon has to make more pit stops, because he's looking pretty good. 708. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hoola hoop 709. 13 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That drunk boxing hula hoop guy will be the race highlight 710. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think they basically just compared Joey Logano to Rex White. 711. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle is blowing up. 712. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Done Blown Up 713. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch blowing up. 714. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smoke coming from Kyle's slow car. 715. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle and Dale Jr crash. ... And a bunch of other people do too. 716. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) First fallout from Cablegate. 717. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr. has troubles, and a hard crash for Dave Blaney. 718. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now the mechanical gremlins start. 719. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy crap. 720. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I used to think Keith Olbermann was pretty cool until I realized that he was completely out of his mind. 721. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I believe Dale Jr just oiled the track down because he appears to have no damage. 722. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior's engine blew, and the ensuing oil caused Biffle, Kvapil, and Blaney to all get into the wall. 723. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr blew up, which caused that big wreck with everyone behind him. 724. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) June blowed, others wrecked. The King would be proud of me. 725. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently, Jeff got the wall with his right rear, but he's still driving well. 726. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...I just realized BoB might get a top 20 finish tonight. Oh boy... 727. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TRD strikes again. Hard hits for Travis Kvapil and Dave Blaney, looks like they got in the oil from Dale Jr.'s engine. Given all the troubles the 18 team has had, I don't blame Kyle for being utterly pissed. 728. Jay posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Poor Kvapil. He's had the worst luck this year. 729. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This has been an absolutely pathetic race. The only race that might compare would be the 2010 Daytona 500. By the way, the DW comment was mine. I know I crossed a line, and I apologize for that. I'll keep the satirical comments to an extreme minimum from now on. 730. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) June looked like his Dad for a moment making his feelings about his mechanical failure clear to Letarte. Hey Kenny, Rainbow Dash blew an engine then stormed off :) 731. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I just hope Kyle gives an interview after that engine failure, especially after winning yesterday. He didn't give an interview two weeks ago at Darlington when he had a cut tire that cost him the win (one day after winning the Nationwide race). You can't win every week, and being gracious in defeat is one trait that I want to see Kyle have on a consistent basis. Doesn't look like we'll see that this weekend, as he's shut the door on his hauler. 732. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The only race that might compare would be the 2010 Daytona 500." That was actually a REALLY good race if you take away the pot hole incident. 733. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I'm Gibbs or Hendrick I'm starting to shake. 734. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good interview by Kyle. 735. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He handled that pretty well, good one Shrub. 736. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) All that stuff NRF said about Kannan that's how I feel about Dale Jr. 737. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TuRD is giving Kyle grenades again now the weather is heating up. 738. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad Kyle gave an interview (and a very humble one at that). It know it's tough to speak to the media right after having a great night end early, so I commend him for taking the time to allow the fans to hear what he had to say. I just hope he does this more regularly. Dale Jr. giving his well wishes to all the fans injured from that cable incident earlier. Classy guy. 739. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just saw Ryan Newman running in 5th place. Good run by he and that team. 740. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wasn't Newman struggling around 25th place, a lap behind earlier in the race? Quite a turnaround for him. Once again he's carrying the banner for SHR. 741. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I didn't actually hear it, but I think Dale Jr. expressed concern and best wishes for the injured fans in his PRN interview. Good for him. 742. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, how many Kahne/Kenseth battles for the lead have there been this year? 743. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman is the best SHR driver... AND AHEAD OF JOHNSON!?!?! 744. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the kind of race where Newman runs a lap down for the first half of the race and end up with a fast car and finish in the top 10. 745. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, if you recall, Newman was lapped three times (though not all at once) at Darlington, and wound up finishing 10th. As bad as SHR is doing this season, Newman is certainly doing his part at getting good results for a struggling organization. If he finishes in the top five, I'll be very impressed. 746. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Newman is the best SHR driver... AND AHEAD OF JOHNSON!?!?!" Even more shockingly, Jeff Gordon is ahead of both of them. 747. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman's always been really good at Charlotte. He should have won the 2007 Fall race, but he cut a tire and wrecked while leading with just a handful of laps to go. Definitely a nice comeback for him tonight. 748. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex is up there in 5th now. Haven't seen him all night. 749. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman is really good at rallying from being a lap down and getting a top 10 finish. He was the first driver to win after getting a Lucky Dog. A Newman win might surprise me, but a top 5 would not. 750. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is actually shaping up to be a pretty good race. 751. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Truex keeps moving up. Of course, he'll get to the lead, then find a way give it up with 10-20 to go. 752. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon had a piece of trash on his grill, causing his oil temperature to go up, but he used the draft of the #34 car to get it off. David Ragan: from winner to grill-cleaner in three weeks. 753. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow... 754. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Caution comes out just as Jeff Gordon hits the pits so he can go a lap down. Of course! 755. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Show us the debris, Fox. 756. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David Ragan: from winner to grill-cleaner in three weeks." Certainly an upgrade from the engine failure he suffered at Darlington. But as Ragan himself said after Darlington two weeks ago, this sport will humble you in a hurry. 757. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why? 758. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because we can't have Gordon getting two straight top-5 finishes in a row. 759. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Of course!" OF COURSE. 760. Rich56 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is a joke. They just call cautions at random 761. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Still plenty of laps left in this race for Gordon to get a top five. He's only in 12th place right now, plus he's JEFF "FREAKIN'" GORDON! He'll be fine. 762. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And watch him get crashed on the restart. That would be Jeff Gordon's luck lately. 763. Rich56 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He'll be fine? Are you kidding, he'll burn up a hub, blow an engine, blow a tire, get wrecked, or run out of gas. Guaranteed. 764. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why the hell did he pit again?! Does he want to finish 20th? 765. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is a lap down in 15th. 766. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Still plenty of laps left in this race for Gordon to get a top five. He's only in 12th place right now" He shouldn't even be in this fake position to begin with. 767. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Show us the debris, Fox." We're all from Missouri now. SHOW US, FOX!!! 768. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution is out just as Jeff Gordon loses the free pass. Of course! 769. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Landon Cassill in the wall, caution. 770. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassill hit the wall ON THE SCREEN and not one member of FOX mentioned it and then they switched to an on-board shot with the caution clearly out. Fail. 771. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My bad, I didn't realize he was still a lap down. Tough break for Landon Cassill. Looks like he cut a right front tire and smacked the wall. 772. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) C'Mon Kurt! 773. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Cassill hit the wall ON THE SCREEN and not one member of FOX mentioned it and then they switched to an on-board shot with the caution clearly out. Fail." They one up themselves every week it seems. 774. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Schroeder51, Jeff Gordon could not have afforded to stay out on that caution because he had already gone two full runs on those left side tires, so he had to pit under the caution for left side tires, because those left sides could not have gone three runs without being changed. Now as it turns out, another caution came out, but he could not afford to take that risk. 775. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was an incredibly stupid decision by Alan Gustafson to just change two tires when Gordon first came in. If he had called Gordon off after the caution came out, he would still be on the lead lap. If he had called for a 4-tire change, Gordon would have took the wave around to get back on the lead lap. But no, he took two tires, got trapped a lap down, then came in when lapped cars pitted to remain a lap down. Damn idiot. 776. FloridaFan88 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gustafson made another bonehead call. Why didn't he take the wave-around right after the debris caution?? 777. Anonymous posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where was Jr running when he blew up? 778. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why the hell did they take just two tires on that stop, there is still the risk of going a lap down, if you don't you still have to pit the next lap as the last car on the lead lap, or go a lap down and eliminate your chance for a wave around because you have to come back for your remaining tires and fuel. If that stop was aborted Jeff would've stayed on the lead lap and pitted the next lap from that position, or take four tires and a full fuel load and take the wave around. More proof of Alan Gustafson's decision making at critical times. 779. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Damn idiot." For some reason, this made me laugh. 780. Anonymous0 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) About 18th or 19th a lap down. 781. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF's nightmare just came true. 782. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BoB and Brad crash. 783. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BoB and Keselowski crash. And Gordon once AGAIN does not get the free pass. 784. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse pushes BoB up the track. Let's watch BoB blame Brad. 785. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boyfriend hit girlfriend, causing girlfriend to take out Brad. 786. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Baroness wrecks. 787. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Should of stayed away from Stenica Brad. I'm sure he can't wait for Paul Wolfe to come back next week. 788. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What looked to be a very good race for Jeff Gordon has gone downhill very quickly. 789. JG24FanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not sure i'm feeling this race anymore. 790. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Any bets that Danica pins all the blame on Keselowski, who was in innocent bystander in her & Wrecky's lover quarrel? 791. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...Brad is blaming himself for the accident. 792. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Brad, it wasn't your fault. Stenhouse sideslammed her. 793. 13 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Son of a motherf**kin bitch I need to buy all the Jimmy Johnson shit from walmart all the drivers i go for f**kin crash out, and Brad just took blame for the wreck completely on himself. 794. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica and Ricky will be spatting later tonight. 795. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was on a call and missed it. Damnit. 796. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First Scenic incident of the year 797. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll forgive the Racing Gods dealing another bad hand to Jeff Gordon if Kurt Busch wins this race. 798. Benjamin Lowe posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keseleowski Just Got Danicaed. 799. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne is blowing it on the restarts tonight. 800. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THE BIG ONE!!!! 801. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn. That was gnarly. 802. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man Kurt took off on that restart. Huge Wreck in turn one, wow! 803. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! 804. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vicious crash ends the night for Almirola, Gordon (DAMMIT!), and Martin. 805. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank God he wrecked. Now i don't have to get my hopes up anymore. 806. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon gets crapped on yet again. 807. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Quote BP and Bob BP: OH NO!!!! BOB: We have a problem!!! 808. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "The best crew on TV closes out their season on FOX" HAHAHA Goddammit Gordon involved in the wreck! 809. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon's night is done, some hard hits in that crash. 810. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big One Charlotte style. 811. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The racing gods gave the middle finger to Gordon in the past 30 laps. 812. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Mark just turned right into Aric and started that. 813. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That was Mark Martin's fault. He clipped Almirola's right rear and sent him on a wild ride into the wall. 814. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Actually, half of that was Aric's fault too. He almost pulled a Todd Bodine and went through the grass. Damn. I hate it. 815. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No power for Kurt. This just keeps getting better. 816. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watch Ryan Newman or Kevin Harvick win this race. 817. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 78 team can't catch a break. 818. Anonymous posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Nascar needs to tell the drivers their job is to RACE and NOT WRECK EACH OTHER. Also Nascar needs to stop counting caution laps, if fans pay to see 400 laps of racing they should get 400 laps of RACING not 300 some laps of racing and lets say 50 laps of caution. 819. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Someone tell me how Trevor Bayne got through that crash without a scratch when everyone in front and around him go involved, and the same for Tony Stewart. 820. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He almost pulled a Todd Bodine and went through the grass." Where the hell else was he supposed to go? He had a run on Mark and Mark almost cut him off, then mistakenly clipped him due to a misjudgment. 821. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This day has exhausted me. I really hate life. 822. Chives posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The only ones left to root for are Truex, Jr. and Kenseth if Kurt can't get it going again. 823. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Can Mark Martin go somewhere else to have his fun? And Kurt with no power? That is just great. At this rate, Jimmie Johnson is gonna luck his ass into the lead and stay there. 824. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Where the hell else was he supposed to go? He had a run on Mark and Mark almost cut him off, then mistakenly clipped him due to a misjudgment." You're right. It was mostly Mark's fault. They just showed another replay, so I saw a better view of it. 825. NASCAR Red Flag posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Man it's my lucky day. I'm getting more attention than ever this year!! 826. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hate that for Gordon. He sounds so dejected. 827. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) And the whole reason Gordon even ended up in this situation is because NASCAR decided to throw a boredom caution in the middle of green flag pit stops to make things more "interesting". THAT pisses me off. 828. The Long Shot posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This race seems to have turned from boring to bizarre to wreck-fest in a hurry. 829. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Jimmie Johnson wins this race...the details are too graphic to go into. 830. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least Jeff has some good tracks coming up. Dover, Pocono, Sonoma, and Daytona are all very winnable tracks for him. And considering how Greg Biffle and Aric Almirola will have bad finishes at the end of this race too, he shouldn't lose too many points from the Chase. Tonight stings a lot because he had a definite top five car (just like Texas), before something catastrophic happened (again, just like Texas). He has the speed, he just needs the finishes, and it's a lot easier to get the finishes than it is to get speed. 831. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Today has proven to me just why I'm a motorsport fan. I'm a half drunk zombie and it's Monday here but I'm still loving every minute of it. 832. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I see no Kurt Busch. Also Fox quotes nine cautions but counts to eight. That bar must be in China now. 833. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bayne, Gilliland, Smith, and Reutimann are all running in the top 21. At least there are still some sentimental favorites to root for. If Kurt can't win, I want Ryan Newman to win. 834. FloridaFan88 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gustafson's days with the #24 team are numbered. One more bad call and he's out. 835. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya and Johnson crash, along with Kenseth. 836. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmie Johnson, ladies and gentlemen. Jimmie Johnson. 837. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth, Johnson, and Montoya crash... I get it now; Harvick is going to win this race... 838. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Annoyingly Logano has had some successful comebacks lately. Who was it last week who predicted that he may win tonight? 839. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just like 2005. 840. joey2448 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again Fox fail to see a crash happening until five seconds after the fact 841. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So much for that golden horseshoe. Damnit Kenseth got caught up in it too! 842. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) We're going to have half the field fail to finish this race. 843. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I don't wish wrecks on anyone, but I'm really glad that we probably won't have to suffer through RoboPrick talking down to us fans again this week. 844. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya got into the back of Johnson after he had come to a stop, so Johnson didn't come out of that scot-free as Mike Joy proclaimed. 845. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hahaha! Johnson spins himself out and Montoya makes sure he got some damage out of it! Too bad for Kenseth though. 846. Bronco posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) Jimmie Johnson has the absolute worst car control I've seen out of any champion driver. How many times has he just flat out lost it, without anyone touching him? 847. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least that puts the 78 closer to the front. 848. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike joy is just killing me with those puns!! 849. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank God there is only one more week of DUM...I mean FOX, before we get to TNT's coverage! 850. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My thoughts exactly, Bronco. I've never seen a Cup champion be as wreck-prone as Jimmie Johnson has been. 851. NASCAR Red Flag posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I take that back. I never thought the fans. I'm so sorry. I wasn't thinking clearly. 852. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) The Vulture is gonna grab another one. The Indy 500 was so much better than this garbage. It has kicked the crap out of this snoozefest, and I've missed most of it mercifully working. Indy was Nolan Ryan and this race is Robin Ventura. 853. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt can still win this thing I think. 854. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Johnson hit the wall again, causing him to come down pit road again. 855. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That Kenseth/Montoya deal was almost like Yeley/Martin in 2006. 856. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JPM and Kenseth almost did a repeat of JJ Yeley and Mark Martin in '06. 857. 18fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Barring an issue, I think this race is in the bag for Kahne. 858. DaleJrFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm NOT going to say anything about Hendrick. What happened to Jr before he blew up to put him back around 20th a lap down? Someone please answer this, I'm being serious about this. 859. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards is having a very quiet 8th place night. Stewart, Ambrose, and Burton are also having solid top 12 races tonight. 860. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bobby Labonte got camera time! 861. DaleJrFan posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wanted to also say good job by Nico Rosberg winning Monaco and Tony Kanaan winning his first Indy 500 and first race in almost 3 years. 862. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #10 car smacked the wall. No caution. 863. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BoB hits the wall AGAIN. 864. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is getting interesting. 865. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Menard is gonna try and make it the rest of the way without pitting. 866. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Edwards is trying to make it too it looks like. 867. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Edwards is in, Menard assumes the lead. 868. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nevermind, Edwards on pit road now. 869. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We're about to see another win by an android... 870. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's Kahne's win unless there is a caution. 871. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Holy crap. Real debris?! 872. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just like that. 873. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's your debris caution. It's legit. 874. Sky Warrior posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I CALL BULLSHIT ON THAT DEBRIS CAUTION THAT'S ONLY A HUGE F-ING PIECE OF METAL LET THEM RACE AND HIT IT AND SEND IT FLYING INTO THE STANDS TO DECAPITATE SOMEONE GOD I'M SICK OF NASCAR RIGGING RACES LIKE THIS 875. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kasey Kahne is a sitting duck. 876. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne might be done. Everyone behind him pitted. 877. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I too am surprised it is legit. This could get interesting* *interesting is a relative term for tonight 878. 13 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Go Joey Logano! Do it for Ford!!!! 879. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Epic fail by Kenny Francis. 880. Sky Warrior posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Sarcasm folks, sarcasm. And I know I'm gonna get showered with thumbs down for this, but reading the comments here week after week, that's what you all sound like. I have a hard time believing many of you here are true fans. 881. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That was not a bad call." - Larry Mac If they lose, then it's a bad call. 882. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Man, I am tired of this race. 883. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny smoking. Probably another TURD engine failure. 884. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Kurt Go! 885. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I REALLY want Kurt Busch to win this race. 886. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick. 887. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Harvick wins. Blah... 888. New14 & 88Fan posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chalk up another one for the vulture. 889. Ryan W posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Ladies and Gentlemen... THE CLOSER!!! 890. AveryNH posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chalk up another for lame-ducks everywhere. Harvick wins another Coke 600! 891. Schroeder51 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Who the hell coined Harvick's "Closer" nickname, anyways...? ...It was the geniuses at DUM...I mean FOX, wasn't it? 892. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Who the hell coined Harvick's "Closer" nickname, anyways...? ...It was the geniuses at DUM...I mean FOX, wasn't it?" Yeah, it was Joy. Like Paul and others on here have said, "The Vulture" is much more appropriate. 893. Mr X posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I know what I said earlier about Harvick winning this race, but all in all I'm okay with it, with all the attrition tonight both Kevin and the 29 team did everything they had to do tonight, and this Coke 600 was certainly much less inherited then his 2011 win. Well deserved I think, congrats to Kevin. 894. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Harvick though. At least he didn't completely luck into it like he did two years ago. 895. Ryan W posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) You have to earn the name "Closer" and he has... Chalk another "major" for Harvick. Harvick is the last decade's Dale Jarrett of big races. Next stop... Hall of Fame. Yep. 896. TS1420 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Holy crap! A Double SHR Top Ten! Of course, Danica would have made it a triple and won the race if she wasn't unfairly wrecked or cursed with an engine change or if the other drivers would have slowed down and moved over for her. 897. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good finishes for Kurt, Newman, Stewart, Ambrose, Burton, Menard, Bayne, Regan, Gilliland, and Reuti. I am completely worn out after all the racing, red flag periods, and pretty much every emotion you can have after three races today. I am out. 898. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Fitting end to a horrible race. I'm glad I had to miss over half of it, included taking one lady to the hospital from her nursing home who had a stomach bleed (if you've never smelled one of those, it is awful). NASCAR just can't get any momentum going. Granted anything that followed that Indy 500 today was gonna have a tough act to live up to. But that was some simply pathetic racing all night, and the determining factor was one of the worst pit road calls ever. Who gets to take advantage of that? The Vulture. 899. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I miss my bed. 900. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Vulture?? Oh, well... 901. Ryan W posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) If you hang out in the top 10 and top 5 all race long and run a smart race and keep out of trouble you don't "vulture" a win. Sorry. Maybe two years ago, but not tonight... 902. Paul posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) One more thing: Congrats to Kevin Harvick on winning a Coca-Cola 600 in deserving fashion. As much crap as I've given him, I find myself somewhat rooting for him out of spite for RCR. One of the reasons why Harvick (and Elliott Sadler) are leaving/have left RCR is because they know they'll be shoved aside for the Dillon boys once they make it to Cup. So for Harvick, I hope he wins a few more times this year, perhaps even makes another run at the championship, just to rub it in RCR's face about them losing a very talented driver and not offering him a new contract like they should have. So for that, I wish Kevin Harvick the best of luck at making RCR look foolish for the remainder of the season. Kurt Busch was dejected about the car losing power (which might have cost him the race), but the fact that he rallied back from 11th to 3rd (and would have gotten 2nd if Kahne's car wasn't so damn good) and never gave up is a testament to how strong of a driver that he is. He could have thrown in the towel, but he didn't. For that, I am proud of him. 903. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) All in all, this race shall forever be known as the "Cablegate". That's all. 904. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Decent race not bad probably a little better than Monaco but NOWHERE near the 500 today. I will say this race once again showcased the dreaded aero push that makes many of these races so unwatchable. 905. Rusty posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) The Vulture is actually more appriopriate. Closer would indicate you finish out the victory, Harvick tends to take advantage of mistakes/circumstances to get wins at the end. I was really hoping Kurt could've won that thing. But 3rd is a great finish. It at least gives him a solid points day to potentially take advantage of a win if he can get one. I really think he can too, the 78 has been fast this year. He'd probably be top 10 in points if it weren't for misfortunes out of his and the team's control. 906. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Enjoyable race in the last half or so. Nice to see the strategy battles. I would have really wanted Ku. Busch to win, but it wasn't to be, darn'arvit. Interesting incident with the FOX camera. I remember in the 2006 Rain Delayed 'Dega event I was talking to my family about the chaos if the thing broke. Plenty of crashes for the crash freaks. What else is there to say? EPIC day of racing, glad I could enjoy it all! Congrats to Kevin Harvick, and whoever said that would be a lame duck team has another think coming, again. 907. David posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Much like the Indy 500 winner, I am indifferent toward the winner of this race. 908. cjs3872 posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Paul, you mentioned the list of those that had good finishes. For one of those drivers, Trevor Bayne, it was a miracle he finished this race, because by all rights, he should have been wrecked at least twice. But as for Kasey Kahne not winning the race and the call that was made not to pit, who knows what would have happened if he had pitted. If he pits, possibly most of the cars on the lead lap don't pit, in which case, he would have been cooked anyway. He could have got a mismatched set of tires, had a problem with the tire change, broke the transmission coming out, so any number of things could have happened, so he was essentially trapped by being a dominant leader. But as a result of this race, one of the points scenarios I mentioned currently exists, with Kyle Busch out of the top ten and Paul Menard in, and if that continues, and it very well may based on Kyle Busch's potential to go through huge slumps, that could affect who makes it through the Wild Card. That's why I think things could get very interesting, now with Denny Hamlin moving up to 24th in points and Kevin Harvick getting a second win himself. I still say that someone with two wins doesn't make the Chase, especially if Menard and/or Almirola, currently 12th in points, gets in. 909. murb posted: 05.26.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And by the way, to all the diehard Harvick fans out there, "The Vulture" isn't a derogatory name. Harvick always puts himself in position. You can't argue with that. It was a fun day of racing. Indy definitely tops the list. What an awesome race that was. I didn't see the F1 race live, but seeing as though it was Monaco, I'm sure it was pretty good. Charlotte was so-so. It had it's good moments (good battles for the lead), it's ugly moments (the big crash with Almirola and Mark), and it's downright pathetic moments (Cablegate). Fun day overall though. 910. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) I thought Charlotte was better than Monaco thanks to the final 150 laps. Monaco is always tough to pass and until the red flag there wasn't any overtaking. Sutil arguably saved the race. But at time same time I liked Indy the best. 68 lead changes, might have gotten to 70... 911. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) 2011 and 2013 were probably the best memorial day sundays. 912. Ryan W posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) If Harvick is a vulture what is the 48 and 24? Both have made their careers off being "vultures". Kahne had a chance to pit just like Harvick did. They chose not to, and Harvick made them pay on restart. To come to think of it, the last few races Harvick has won he has had good restarts. No crime in that. It's a part of racing... 913. Eric posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Ryan W, Kevin is a Vulture like it already was mentioned I wouldn't call Kevin Harvick the next step the Hall of Fame either right now based on his cup career. There is a big different between Dale Jarrett and Kevin Harvick. While both have won big races, Dale Jarrett has a cup championship,11 more cup wins and is in the top 25 drivers ever in career wins. Right now Kevin is tied with Jeff Burton, Bobby Labonte, Benny Parsons and Jack Smith with wins. Kevin is only tied 32nd place in career cup wins. 914. Eric posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Mr X, I am not getting GTA on September 17th. I am more getting into buying retro video games including getting homebrew Atari 2600 games like Halo2600. 915. TS1420 posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I thought the race was pretty decent, by repaved Charlotte standards anyways. The race couldn't even compare to the Indianapolis 500, but was way better than the street parade at Monte Carlo. Glad to see Harvick win, yet disappointed to see Kahne lose with such a good car. I was shocked when Kenny Francis had Kahne stay out. You would have think he'd learned from the Kenseth experiment. Kurt Busch yet again has a car to contend and yet again something goes wrong that keeps him from a potential win. I really hope he can catch a break and finally win this season. Good run for SHR with Newman & Stewart coming from laps down to finish in the top ten. Hopefully SHR realizes Newman is the best driver on the team currently and is looking at freeing up the #10 car slot for Harvick. If they go to 4 cars or keep Princess Danica instead of Newman, they are beyond stupid. Jimmie Johnson proves how average he is once again when Knaus doesn't give him a perfect car that a caveman could drive (you know, Jimmie does kinda look like one of the Geico cavemen....). Jimmie may be one of the all-time best Cup drivers, but he is definitely the weakest. Glad to see NASCAR do the right thing and let teams repair their cars after FOX's sky cam failure. Disappointed, but not surprised, that FOX first tried to make the caution look like it was for a Coke bottle, then trying to skirt their way out of apologizing for the incident. Even after it was known that some fans got hurt because of it. Just one more race and we are done with FOX & The Boogity Brothers. Of course that race is gonna be beyond horrible since it is the Jimmie Johnson Leads For 400 Laps at The Monotonous Mild. Monaco: 2/10 Indianapolis: 8/10 Charlotte: 6.5/10 916. VoteGillilandNotDanica2014 posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why do we need junk hanging over our race tracks? NOTHING should be hanging over our race tracks. Hope those fans are okay! Joe Nemechek's sponsor was Red Rocks Cafe. 917. Mr X posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Eric I will definitely buy GTA V within the first few days of it coming out or possibly even pre-order it. That being said I like nostalgia a lot as well, for Christmas last year I convinced my sister to hunt down a copy of a game from my childhood that I never owned, Grand Theft Auto Vice City, and I own and occasionally replay several other 10-15 year old games. I don't think you should ever sell that stuff, it's hardly worth anything and their infinitely replayable. 918. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ratings (?): Indy Lights: 20/10 Nationwide: 1/10 Monaco: 4/10 Indy 500: 9/10 Coca Cola Dee Dubya 600: 6.5/10 919. Bronco posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Everyone had written off Truex after his bad start to the season (including myself) but he just cracked the top in points after this race. Dale Jr picks up his first DNF since Sonoma in 2011, almost two years ago. This is the 88 team's second consecutive engine DNF since Regan Smith lost an engine last October. Brad picks up his first DNF since the 2012 Daytona 500, and in the last 4 races he has finished outside the top 30 3 times. Tony Stewart was lucky to have finished 7th, without all the wrecks he would have scored yet another finish in the teens. 920. murb posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, it sounds like Monaco was pretty bad. "Grand Theft Auto Vice City" I love Vice City. It's the first GTA game I ever played. I too actually just finally got another copy of it a couple years ago, and it's still fun as hell to mess around on. 921. The Long Shot posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #916, I love your name, and may I say, I agree with it 100%. 922. murb posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Everyone had written off Truex after his bad start to the season (including myself) but he just cracked the top in points after this race." Me too. I predicted he would miss the Chase this year, but he's looking pretty solid once again. If only he could just somehow close out a race for once and get a win... 923. MStall41 posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good race, but if we learned anything from the past two weeks at Charlotte, it's that this Gen 6 car still needs a lot of work in the aero department. 924. GDR29 posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin led 28 laps, that's like 7 or 8 wins worth for him. 21 career wins and 5 of those are "Crown Jewel" wins (Daytona 500, Winston 500, World 600 2x, and the Brickyard 400). Call him the vulture or whatever, but he hangs around and when put in a position to win, he does. I'd rather have the trophies than a jillion laps led and blown engines or other stuff. 925. Ryan W posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, Didn't say Harvick was retiring, but even if he did retire after tonight he would have a great case for the Hall of Fame, especially with some of his big wins in the Cup Series as well as success in the Busch/Nationwide Series... Also, you mention Jarrett and Labonte who were on Super teams when they were driving. Jarrett with both Yates and Gibbs and then Labonte with Gibbs. Childress has struggled off and on and off and on to keep up with the competition (Hendrick, Roush, and Gibbs) so I think it's a testament to Harvick while his teammates haven't had nearly as much success as he has over the last decade. Guy puts himself in position to win or get lucky or whatever, if that makes him a vulture or closer or whatever, he knows how to get a W when the race is on the line. If he's in the top 5 with 50 to go everyone knows he has a great shot. Closer... 926. 83andJoe posted: 05.27.2013 - 1:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seventh caution was #33 accident turn 4. #87 sponsor: Red Rocks Cafe. 927. JG24FanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 2:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon's 54th career crash-out. Gordon was incredibly unlucky tonight. He went from 4th to 15th,a lap down,after a phony caution popped up while he was on pit road. He lost the Lucky Dog spot right as a caution came out shortly after the restart. He was wiped out in crash that had nothing to do with him and careened into and bounced off the unprotected,concrete area of the wall on the front straight. I like Gustafson,but his call tonight after the phony caution was worse than Kenny Francis's late race pit call for Kahne. 928. Paul posted: 05.27.2013 - 2:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He was wiped out in crash that had nothing to do with him and careened into and bounced off the unprotected,concrete area of the wall on the front straight." Gordon tweeted after the race that his wreck hurt at first because of the lack of SAFER barriers at that part of the race track, and wondered why SAFER barriers aren't all around every race track. He said that he was feeling better than he was initially. I just hope this isn't like Las Vegas 2008 all over again, where one hit on an unprotected wall leads to long-term effects. SAFER barriers should be all around every race track on the NASCAR circuit. Start off with every Cup track and work your way down. 929. 83andJoe posted: 05.27.2013 - 3:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #33 sponsor: Bicycle NASCAR Playing Cards 930. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 4:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Look, I don't want to pile on Harvick. He won, and to the winner goes the spoils. But I do wanna defend our new nickname for him, "The Vulture". Which will require some dogging. Nobody has a larger % of their wins of people who have 10 or more wins come as a result of many others having trouble. He is not a front runner, he is at his best hanging back, watching the leaders, and reacting to them. Somebody mentioned Gordon and Johnson and their "vulture" wins. While they have their share, they also have a ton of races like the '95 Dover Fall race or the '04 World 600 where they spend 4 hours just whipping the shit out of everyone. And I don't see him as an HOFer. I only see Gordon, Johnson, Stewart, and Mark among active drivers in that category. Also, wonder what kind of second thoughts he is having going to SHR next year. 931. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.27.2013 - 5:45 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) You honestly don't think that Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch won't be HOFers? Kenseth? With 4 Crown Jewel wins and a freaking title?! Harvick? With 4 Crown Jewel wins plus wins at Indy and the Firecracker? Busch? With a title and 20-something wins? Based on that, we need to exclude Bobby Labonte, Benny Parsons, Alan Kulwicki, Red Byron, Fonty Flock and dozens of other HOF-locks because they have less than 30 wins? You're tired, DSFF. Go to bed. 932. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually I should have included Kenseth because he has a championship to go along with a nice career. But when I judge things like this, I like to look more at how drivers achieved their numbers rather than just look at the numbers themselves. I know Kurt also has a title and nearly identical win total as Matt, and he is growing on me this year, but to me you can't overlook his destructive past and all the numbers he's left on the table. Yes, the same is true of Tony, but those 3 titles lock him no matter how, any more he should have. As for the others you mentioned, Alan and BP won their titles driving undergunned equipment to put it mildly, Fonty drove for a short time like most from the 50's so you have to take that into account, Red Byron won the first two NASCAR titles (including the first in "What Is Now The NASCAR Sprint Cup Series") after spending two years in WWII flying incredibly dangerous missions, finally getting shot down and destroying his left leg. NASCAR existed so late in the game for him. And I don't think Bobby belongs. Just my two cents though. 933. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And also, I don't put a ton of emphasis on crown jewels for numerous reasons I've mentioned before. 934. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.27.2013 - 8:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Satisfying response. I think Kurt goes in because he will win at least one race this year. 935. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.27.2013 - 8:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ I mean that to indicate 25 wins will lock him in. 936. Anonymous posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:03 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The HOF isn't that great and is mostly a joke. Just my two cents though. 937. David posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, it sounds like Monaco was pretty bad." Well, Rosberg did lead all 78 laps, and it was mostly a parade, but I had a ton of fun watching it. Jeff Gordon had ridiculous bad luck last night. And ridiculous pit calls. Among active drivers, I see Kenseth, Gordon, Johnson, Labonte (both of them), and Martin making it in on current accomplishments alone. Kurt Busch is really, really close. If his title wasn't so weak, then I would probably consider him a lock. I may have missed a few. 938. Scott B posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not sure what to say about this race. It was mostly boring till till the late-race attrition and different pit strategies came into play. I don't want that to come off as an "I just watch for crashes" comment, but it did make for better racing than early on when Matt and Kyle were leading long stretches without anyone challenging them. I was going to comment that a 600 mile race was irrelevant now that engine builders have a better handle on reliability, then Shrub and Jr had their near-simultaneous failures (although that was before to 500 mile mark, not in the extra 100). The most memorable thing about the race was probably the FOX coverage. The cable incident... I'm guessing the delayed and minimal apology was the work of FOX lawyers telling everyone not to say anything that could be taken as an admission of guilt in court. DW wetting himself over Danica coming up as the leader on the scoring ticker on an cycle of pit stops (even though she never officially led a lap, and probably ruined any chance of staying on the lead lap a little longer by staying out on old tires too long). The annnounce team seemed to be unable to identify what cars were involved in crashes, and camera selection at times looked like they had a monkey in the TV truck punching the show. The plus side: Good underdog showing by Kurt & the FRR team, even though he didn't win, overcoming a lot to bring the #78 home third. Likewise, decent showing by Smoke on a difficult night, coming home 7th behind his SHR teammate Newman. RCR showed a little muscle that's been missing this season, with finished of 1st, 12th and 13th... plus the 3rd for Kurt in the RCR-powered #78. Kyle Busch has a fast car torn up in the cable incident, then blows an engine, and actually gives a calm, classy interview. Some interesting pit calls in the late stages to spice things up. And lastly, after 600 miles and 2 red flags, we are spared a Green-White-Checkers that would have made this race any longer. 939. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 10:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, what's there to like about Alan Gustafson? He constantly mismanages races, as he did last night. They knew they were going a lap down, so why not change all four tires then, instead of taking on right sides with two runs on lefts, which forced them to come back in for left side tires, which in turn, put them in position to get in that big crash. Gustafson can build good cars, but he's never been able to manage a race, and he gets his drivers in trouble because of that. On the other hand, Kenny Francis was in a bad spot on that last caution, because if he had pitted Kasey Kahne, a number of others would have stayed out, which would have put Kahne back in traffic, and he would never have been able to come through traffic, because he's not the kind of driver that will take chances, nor can he win races from behind. For instance, had he been back in the pack, he would never have even tried to make the move Kurt Busch made to get him into third place, so he would have been sunk. Kenny Francis, having worked with Kahne for years, knows Kahne is not a driver that can get through traffic that easily, so he knew the only chance he had to win was to stay out, because Kahne is not a driver that can come through the pack in just 10 laps, so I don't think Francis' call was a bad one at all. In fact, it was the only chance they had to win, because if he restarts fourth, fifth, sixth, he has no chance to win because he can't get through traffic. And by the way, I wonder if Jack Roush is beginning to regret the decision to put Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. in the #17 car. I know he finished 14th last night, but he's caused three crashes in the last four weeks, two of them with idiotic moves. For instance, in last night's race, he goes three-wide, forcing Danica into Brad Keselowski, despite the fact that he was a lap behind them. He was two laps down, while Danica and Brad were each one lap down. But then again, this is the same driver that ex-sprint car driver Bubby Jones, who drove in the 1977 Indianapolis 500, once said might not survive because he was too wild, and that hasn't changed at all. Stenhouse is unquestionably a fast driver, but seems to lack track sense, something that will only cause more problems for him, and if he continues to demonstrate a lack of track sense, one wonders if Roush will regret that decision. 940. JG24FanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 10:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "JG24FF, what's there to like about Alan Gustafson?" I think he's an alright person is what I meant. As far as what I think of him as a crew-chief? Jeff Gordon alone is almost the only reason he ever finishes Top 5 when he does. Gustafson and Gordon's pit-crew are an anchor on Gordon's race-craft at the moment. BTW,Gordon's crash instantly reminded me of his fall-Charlotte crash with Ricky Rudd in 1994,but this one last night seemed to be a much much harder hit. 941. GDR29 posted: 05.27.2013 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "While they have their share, they also have a ton of races like the '95 Dover Fall race or the '04 World 600 where they spend 4 hours just whipping the shit out of everyone." Kevin's had some of those too. 2001 at Chicago he was untouchable the entire day, 2006 fall race at Phoenix, he led 252 laps, and the fall Loudon race that year he led 196. Even 2 years ago in the fall Richmond race he led over 200. So not all of his wins are "vultured," but it's just his style and Gil Martin's style to work on their car throughout the race and put themselves in a position to win. So they don't lead 2/3 of the race every time they win, it doesn't really make any difference as long as you lead whatever the last one is. 942. JG24FanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 10:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, it sounds like Monaco was pretty bad." Monaco is important for its prestige and the difficulty of racing the track itself. Racing and overtaking simply NEVER happen at Monaco. Overtaking examples from Monaco: Segio Perez on Button (Huge balls and skill!) Adrian Sutil on Button (Mid-fielder overtakes World Champion part I) Adrian Sutil on Alonso (Mid-fielder overtakes World Champion part II) Maybe the greatest race that Nico Rosberg will ever have. 943. JG24FanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 10:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Sergio 944. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, the crash Gordon had last night was more serious because not only did he hit the wall, but he did so with the force of two cars because he had Aric Almirola riding him into the wall. It actually reminded me of Terry Labonte's crash at Loudon in 2000 the week after suffering his head injury in the Firecracker 400 (and the week of Kenny Irwin, Jr.'s fatal crash there). Chad Little's car was under Labonte's, and as a result, Labonte's car hit the wall with the force of two cars, his and Little's. And I don't think Gustafson and a questionable pit crew at times are an anchor on Gordon's racecraft. If anything, those detriments are showcasing Gordon's racecraft more than ever now, because he has to do everything he can to overcome those deficiencies in his team, but I don't think he can overcome them this year, but if anyone can, he's the guy to do it. I just hope for his sake he's not around the #17 car, because nothing predictable can happen then, based on what Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. has done in the last four races. 945. Peter posted: 05.27.2013 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was pleasantly surprised by the Busch brothers, they both could have gone on a profanity laced rant but they restrained themselves and praised the teams hard work - well done boys, also JJ had a right to; right after the incident with him, Kenseth and Montoya it looked like JPM turned right into JJ's car when it looked like he would get away unscathed 946. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.27.2013 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right now the only person at Hendrick Motorsports who seems to be worried about Jeff Gordon's success is Jeff Gordon... Sonoma's in a month... that should provide a great "Jeff Gordon Never Say Die Moment presented by NRF and DSFF" as Jeff's crew usually gives him a screwy transmission that ends in a fantastic rally from 35th to 3rd. 947. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unless NicoRosbergFan, Gustafson runs him out of fuel in the middle of the race like he did last year. He'd be in the top 8-10 in points if he had a semi-competent crew chief calling the shots for him. A lot of people bagged on Steve Letarte when he was Gordon's crew chief, but his problem was car setup because he didn't know that much about the setup of the car, and he still doesn't, but I always thought that Latarte was always one of the very best in calling a race, which was why Jeff Gordon was in position to win as often as he was with cars that were not the best, and he was no afraid to gamble on risky strategy to try to win a race. Does his call that won the 2007 Southern 500 ring a bell? And let's not forget that Gordon did have second and third place points finishes with Steve as his crew chief. The only good points finish Alan Gustafson ever had as a crew chief was in 2009, when Mark Martin finished second, but Hendrick's cars were so dominant in 2009 that even Gustafson couldn't screw it up with his constant mismanagement of races. 948. Eric posted: 05.27.2013 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ryan W, Kevin only does better than his teammates when his equipment is good. Kevin is worse than his teammates when RCR is behind the curve a lot. I am saying that because Jeff Burton had better seasons than Kevin in 2007 and 2008. Clint Bowyer in 2007 and 2009 was better than Kevin was. Kevin also had legitimate chances to win a cup championship like Jarret and Bobby Labonte did. He did in 2006 and 2010. Kevin failed both times. Kevin screwed up 2006 chance by missing a practice at Atlanta and going to a Busch Series race instead despite having the Busch series title locked up and he lost 100 points to Jimmie Johnson in that race as a result. Kevin did lost a lot points by engine failure at Dover, but what Kevin did at Atlanta was the wrong move considering how bad Kevin did at that track from 2002 to 2007. 949. Baker posted: 05.27.2013 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Glad everyone else is finally hating Harvick for what he is too. For a guy who complained about another driver having a golden horseshoe up his butt sure had more than his share of luck. Indy 500 was far more exciting. Not happy an American didn't win again, but I am happy got Kanaan. 950. Eric posted: 05.27.2013 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ryan W, You also talked Kevin in the Busch/Nationwide series. A lot of what he did in the series shouldn't count as a Hall of Fame argument after he became a cup regular when he raced that Nationwide series with RCR. I think the same thing with Kyle Busch,Brad and Carl Edwards for the Nationwide series. Kevin, Kyle, Brad and Carl won a lot of race in the Nationwides series after they became cup regulars while racing for their cup organization in the Busch/Nationwide series. That meant those 4 drivers had a big advantage over their competitors in the Busch/Nationwide series. The only that should count for the lower series argument for Kevin in terms of the Hall of fame was his ownership of KHI and the championship he won in 1998 in the West K&H west series. Kevin in 2011 said his ownership of KHI affected on the cup level though and that meant it hurt his 2010 cup chances some. 951. GDR29 posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) During the period from 2002-2007 they could have run 700 practices at Atlanta and they still would've finished where they did. Todd Berrier and Kevin never had a handle on the place, and I think Kevin knew it, and that's why he went to run the Busch Series race. His improvement at Atlanta since that point (and Charlotte too) shows how far he's progressed as a driver. And you can say he "failed" in 2010 but he was the best driver that season by a long, long ways. They had one bad run in the Chase at Dover (and I know DSFF blames the practice contact with Denny Hamlin, but to me that was a non-factor). Kevin had the car in the back half of the top ten and then they had a couple of bad pit stops in that race and couldn't get back to 8th or 9th like they had been running. 952. John Royal posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) You go to race so that you don't have to suffer FOX broadcast only to get hit in the head by FOX cable. Irony. 953. 13 posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To defend Gustafson i will quote Hannah Montana, "everybody makes mistakes, everybody has those days" those days just seem to be Sunday, every Sunday lol 954. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just can't wait for Dover. FOX can start fresh and maybe even give us a good telecast, there shouldn't be as much controversy like there was with the race, the telecast, and even on here (I'm NASCAR Red Flag by the way and even yes I was very controversial on here). Hopefully we can now put this behind us. On a positive note, congrats to Nico, Tony, and Kevin for winning the huge races yesterday. Heavier props to Nico as he joins his father Keke on being the only father-son duo to win Monaco and to Tony as he finally wins the Indianapolis 500 after being overdue for the that win for so long! 955. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was considering that too, cjs. Either way, it will be a "Jeff Gordon Never Say Die Moment presented by NRF and DSFF" as Jeff has issues early, thinks "F--- this crap," and charges back to a top-5. 956. 18fan posted: 05.27.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin also got himself behind during the 2010 Chase by qualifying poorly every single week. It showed how good he was that year that he was consistently able to get into the top 5, but he didn't lead very much (he only led 357 laps all season) and that could've been the difference going into Phoenix and Homestead to put even more pressure on the 11 and put pressure on the 48. 957. 83andJoe posted: 05.27.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #7 status: Handling. (When a car goes out 70 laps after the accident, the 'crash' wasn't the direct cause. This used to be recognised in the official results...) 958. Scott B posted: 05.27.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #957, agreed. Which reminds me of another question. Does anyone else think the #10 should have been black flagged late in the race? Danica bashing aside, after the second incident with the wall, this car was a moving obstacle. I don't know what the minimum speed was at Charlotte, but with the leaders running their fastest laps of the day late in the race, this looked like it had a lot of potential for something bad to happen. After Blaney parked, nobody behind her was going to overtake her for points anyway. 959. murb posted: 05.27.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Does anyone else think the #10 should have been black flagged late in the race?" She was sparking quite a bit, and I noticed that a few of the leaders were having trouble getting around her. So I definitely wouldn't have been against it if they decided to black flag her. 960. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course Scott B, it can be argued that, except for Martnsville and the restrictor plate races, that Danica's #10 car has been a moving obstacle this entire season, which made the incident when Ricky Stenhouse shoved her aside when they weren't even on the same lap even more troubling for her fans to stomach. Danica and Brad Keselowski were battling for position one lap behind the leaders, while Stenhouse was two laps behind, so Stenhouse actually put an end to one of Danica's infrequent competitive runs this year when they weren't even battling for position. And that was the third crash Stenhouse caused in May, two of which involved Patrick, with both of those a result of idiotic moves on Stenhouse's part. And they're friends? With friends like that, who needs enemies? 961. Jim Davis posted: 05.27.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I was pleasantly surprised by the Busch brothers, they both could have gone on a profanity laced rant but they restrained themselves and praised the teams hard work..." Yes, they both did that and deserve credit for it. Kurt especially. Kyle on the other hand is still something of a work in progress on the "gracious loser" front. Not only did he have to have a few moments in the hauler to pull himself together for the interview, he still took a shot at TRD with a comment along the lines of "I guess it's that time of the year" referring to the engine failures last season. I get the frustration and everything but he simply must learn that throwing people under the bus in a very public manner is not the way to work through these problems. But this is Kyle Busch we're talking about and by his standards this post-exit interview is definitely a step forward. 962. ch posted: 05.27.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor changes: 18 - M&M's M-Prove America / Habitat For Humanity 20 - Husky Tools 30 - Lean 1 / Europa Sports Products 963. Baker posted: 05.27.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Someone has to start throwing TRD under the bus though. It is getting beyond ridiculous at this point. Matt Kenseth is the best driver this year by far, but no way is he a threat for the title with TRD being a ticking time bomb. 964. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not just that Baker, but Kyle has to be happy the "big race" season is over. After all, his biggest misfortunes occurred in the biggest races. He had engine problems in the Daytona 500, a flat tire while seemingly cruising to his second Southern 500, and engine problems again in the Coca-Cola 600. However, those engine failures have dropped him outside the top ten in points, as he currently sits 11th, and as we know, he's capable of big slumps. And remember my postings on the possibility of him not making the chase despite two wins? Well, no only does he have to be outside the top ten, which he now is, but guys like Menard, Almirola, and even Truex would need to be up there, since it's unlikely any of them win this year. Well, guess what? Menard is eighth in points, Truex is ninth, and Alimrola can also get back in the top ten, so if that happens, and any two currently winless drivers outside the top ten get hot, and with guys like Gordon, Stewart, and Logano outside the top ten, and Brad Keselowski now in tenth and also on the Chase bubble, something like that could easily happen to Kyle Busch, or any other driver with two wins that's around tenth in points. That's why I think it may take three wins to ensure a Chase berth this year. 965. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't blame the Dover practice incident in 2010 directly, but to me, it showed he was more interested in involving himself in controversies than keeping his eyes on the big silver prize. Neither Denny nor Kevin were where they neeeded to be to unseat the 48, and they lost as a result despite better cars. That is a big reason why I'm not hitting the panic button for Brad and the 2 team. They have shown the ultimate mental fortitude. I am still impressed with their upbeat attitude heading into Phoenix 2012. Despite back to back wins by the 48, including a soul crushing defeat at Texas (that sent me on a bender) they still had that "this title is ours to lose" attitude. Impressive while staring the dragon right in his eyes. 966. David posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Several things I want to mention: - I may have been indifferent towards him last night, but in hindsight, I'm glad Harvick won because he had a patriotic paint scheme. - Happy Memorial Day! - Two good things came from Jeff's crash last night: 1) As Paul mentioned, I didn't have to get my hopes up, and 2) it came with over 40 laps to go, so his Position Retainment Difference (percent increase/decrease on position during last 10% of races) didn't suffer much, if at all. Outside of that, it's a real bummer. 967. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, that's because they (Hamlin and Harvick) did not know how to win a championship, something even the #48 team had to learn how to do. Let's not forget that Jimmie Johnson lost two championships in 2004 and '05, the 2004 title he lost with clearly the best car, and the 2005 title with a car at least as goo as Tony Stewart, but they cracked under the pressure. If Denny Hamlin and/or Kevin Harvick ever get in that position again, it's unlikely they'll make the same mistakes again. They just didn't know how to win a title, as was the case with Yarborough, Waltrip, Elliott, Wallace, Dale Jarrett, and Johnson before they won theirs. And even Gordon and Earnhardt had trouble closing out their first titles, though I still blame a lot of Gordon's late-season problems in '95 (and '97) on simply being too conservative with a big lead. 968. Jim Davis posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Someone has to start throwing TRD under the bus though." I think this is something best done privately in the Monday team meeting than in a post-race exit interview on national TV. 969. Mark N. posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) thank goodness NASCAR met its debris caution quota. THANK GOODNESS. 970. Watto posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't wish wrecks on anyone, but I'm really glad that we probably won't have to suffer through RoboPrick talking down to us fans again this week." What "talking down" situation are you referring to? I either missed it or can't remember. 971. Watto posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As far as what I think of him as a crew-chief? Jeff Gordon alone is almost the only reason he ever finishes Top 5 when he does. Gustafson and Gordon's pit-crew are an anchor on Gordon's race-craft at the moment." Maybe he makes some bad decisions, but it's not random that Mark Martin ran 2nd in points with Alan in 2009 with 5 wins & 14 top 5s. It's not random that Kyle Busch's best points finish (albeit with only 1 win) came with Alan @ Hendrick. He's a pretty good crew chief. 972. Sector posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) After the race last night, I so want Jeff Gordon to get two wins during the summer races. I really do not want him to miss this chase. Last year was nerve wrecking enough. 973. TheTruthâ?¢ posted: 05.27.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jimmie Johnson has the absolute worst car control I've seen out of any champion driver. How many times has he just flat out lost it, without anyone touching him?" Not as many times as Bobby Labonte has looped it in recent years, which is a shame. JTG isn't the best place to be but it is what it is. When you run your car on edge all the time like Jimmie does, the couple of self spins per year happen. Just ask Kyle Busch. 974. murb posted: 05.27.2013 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What "talking down" situation are you referring to? I either missed it or can't remember." After he won the All Star Race last week he just went on an asinine rant in the media center towards the "haters". His overall vibe was basically "I'm better than you because I'm going home with a big check and a cool trophy" (that's not what he said verbatim, but it was really close). I didn't really appreciate that or think it was necessary. 975. David posted: 05.27.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, since I missed it, is the Indy 500 worth going back and watching? 976. Eric posted: 05.27.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, Yes, the Indy 500 is worth going back and watching. 977. David posted: 05.27.2013 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I kind of suspected you'd say that. :) 978. Watto posted: 05.27.2013 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Oh, okay. In reference to that Jimmie Johnson thought, I went and watched the press conference and the thoughts that you are talking about come in response to a Jenna Fryer question where she mentioned that the Fox graphic was wrong and fans instantly went crazy about it on twitter about how the 48 was in the wrong spot, it's rigged, etc, and she asked Jimmie why he gets that response, and his response was: "'I don't have the slightest clue. People just want to hate,' he said. 'That's fine. I'm just lucky. NASCAR rigs the races and whatever they want to believe. I'm going home with a cool trophy and a big check and we all really know what happened. So, whatever.' " Frankly, I can't disagree with his point. People were saying he never should've been in position to enter the pits 4th after finishing 15th, 5th, 5th, and 3rd in the four segments, and they thought it was rigged in some way cause 3rd grade math isn't everyone's specialty apparently and they didn't realize Fox's graphic was WAY off (like Kurt & Kyle Busch having 2 diff numbers despite the same segment finishes), and I don't mind him brushing it off as ridiculous opinions. I think it's way worse when Kyle Busch gets out of his car and does the crying motion to taunt fans on the frontstretch after winning a Nationwide race, like he did Saturday. Here, Jimmie's talking crap to people who are in denial and try to put him down at all costs, regardless of facts. He's not talking down on fans, but talking down on the people who try to put him down at all costs, regardless of facts or what happens on the racetrack. Now, I'm not a Jimmie Johnson fan, but I could agree with that. Some people are just in denial. He thanks the fans all the time, and I don't think his quote there was directed towards them... it was directed towards people spewing false information to try to discredit anything they do. He won the race, the car passed tech, the Fox graphic was wrong, the lineup was right, those fans were wrong. So basically, I'm okay with that. 979. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.27.2013 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, if you don't watch the replay (although I hated the ending), we will find you and strangle you for disgracing the name of "Race fan" 980. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, I can understand not liking the ending of a race like that, especially since it was the fourth consecutive year that the Indianapolis 500 officially ended under caution, though in one of them (2011), bizarre circumstances caused the leader to crash exiting the last turn, as if directed by the hand of fate. Still, Indy is in the same rut the Daytona 500 was in during the late 90s and early 2000s when three out of four races ended under caution from 1997-2000 and the 2001 race had the last lap crash that killed Dale Earnhardt, and then the 2003 race went just 109 laps due to rain. But I'm still not sure the results would have been any different had the race gone green to the end because a veteran driver like Tony Kanaan would probably have positioned himself in the right spot. I think there was a very good chance that Kanaan would have won anyway. 981. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the odds were better for Munoz though. Regardless, I like getting the advertised distance better than a G-W-C gimmick. If it's a 500 miler, I want either 500 miles flat barring rain, or 500 miles minus caution flag laps (I know that'd be extreme, but it's practical for races like the A. J. Foyt 225 @ Milwaukee). 982. murb posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You have some good points, Watto. To me, his comments just came off as extremely arrogant. I feel like he should just ignore the "haters" and focus on his own deal. 983. jabber1990 posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chocolate Myers was talking earlier that NASCAR should go and use "halftime" breaks, it makes the racing better and will add drama I hate to say this about anyone, but I am convinced at this point that he doesn't listen to himelf talk 984. Watto posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You're right, he probably should ignore the haters. I'm not sure what the ideal way to respond to Jenna's question would be. Maybe "I don't know" and leave it to that lol 985. jabber1990 posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) so....you mean to tell me that if you pay for 500 miles you'll complain about getting 505 miles of racing? 986. cjs3872 posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, even though he may have had the fastest car at the end of the race, I don't think Carlos Munoz could have won that kind of race at his stage of his career, simply because of his lack of experience. Of all the drivers running at the front, he would have been the likeliest to make an error (remember Takuma Sato last year?). I think Ryan Hunter-Reay would have had a much better chance than Munoz because he has experience that Munoz doesn't have. There's a reason why drafting races like that one are usually won by experienced drivers. You have to know when to make the move, and that's learned only through experience. Munoz may have had the car, but he doesn't have the experience to win that kind of race. Hunter-Reay or even Marco Andretti had a better chance had the race stayed green because of their experience edge over Munoz, and that is a major reason why I think Kanaan probably would have won anyway. His vast experience gave him a significant edge over even Hunter-Reay and Andretti, much less Munoz. But the sad thing is, we'll never know, unless the same drivers (except Munoz) are battling at Pocono, because I think that will be the same kind of race, only with fewer cars in it. 987. The Unknown posted: 05.27.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I pretty good race accept for cable wires... And no sorry....! But i am glad to see harvick win. I hope he wins this years champoinship and not then another years. I hope dover is good.. I dont want Jimmie to lead 400 laps in the race.... I am so bored of him winning there. Once again, Congrats to Kevin :) 988. 83andJoe posted: 05.27.2013 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jabber1990: Yes, yes I would. Because I want to see the race go to the /advertised distance/, not tacking on more for a "better show". If the race says "500 miles", I want to see a 500 mile race. No more and no less. 989. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not only that 83andJoe, but remember again that, unlike NASCAR, there's a strict limit on the amount of fuel a team can use during an IndyCar race, and it's figured out by the officials before the race begins. For example, a team is limited to about 280 gallons, including the on-board fuel to start the race. If thy went to GWC finishes in IndyCar racing, they'd run out of fuel because they wouldn't have any more in their pit tanks. In fact, many years ago, the teams would actually tilt the tanks to allow better fuel flow on late pit stops. This is shown during the 1974 telecast, as they would actually use a jack to tilt the tank so it would be easier to get it through the fuel hose. Fortunately for safety reasons, this practice has been outlawed, but once team is out of fuel, it's out. The cars are required to get 1.8 miles per gallon to complete a race, and that's how the fuel allotment for a race is figured. 990. murb posted: 05.28.2013 - 1:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just read this thing on Jayski about how Tony Stewart is complaining about blocking again. What a surprise. The culprit this time? Ricky Stenhouse. Stewart said in the interview, "I love him like he's family, but I would choke him out if he was over here right now." lol!!! 991. 83andJoe posted: 05.28.2013 - 2:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Stewart is so peeved about blocking, he should go back to racing open-wheel cars. 992. Jim Davis posted: 05.28.2013 - 2:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "...but remember again that, unlike NASCAR, there's a strict limit on the amount of fuel a team can use during an IndyCar race, and it's figured out by the officials before the race begins." Surely the allotted amount can be raised to accommodate a possible GWC? Is this really such an insuperable problem? Not that I would necessarily be in favor of a GWC in the IndyCar series but I think the logistics can be worked out. 993. Neal posted: 05.28.2013 - 2:58 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I wonder if NASCAR still thinks the Gen6 is the bees knees after seeing what the DW12 chassis has done for IndyCar. We're 1/3 of the way through the Gen6's first season and saying everything's hunky-dory because this chassis is better than the COT & Gen4 chassis is like saying a root canal is better than an extraction. Both suck, and so does the Gen6. 994. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Stewart is funny this year considering his team sucks due to his asinine decision to hire BoB/Albatross/It-that-shan't-be-named. 995. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, is Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. trying to shorten his career, because it sure looks like it. The three crashes he's ignited, including the on in the 600 where he took it three wide with two other drivers that were a lap ahead of him, and now this complaint from Tony Stewart about blocking, not that a complaint from him about that carries any weight, because he's probably the biggest blocker in the sport. Again, I go back to the 1997 Indianapolis 500 where he ran Arie Luyendyk into the grass about three-quarters of the way into that race. I think Tony's upset at Stenhouse because he caused the crash that knocked Danica out of the race along with Brad Keselowski, and caused the crash at Talladega with another idiotic move that eliminated, among others, Danica and the highly respected Terry Labonte. And NicoRosbergFan, certainly the decision to hire Danica has done no favors for Tony and his team, something I've brought up numerous times, but that's not Tony's only problem. Another is that Steve Addington does not particularly like the Hendrick-style car, and has been trying to alter it to suit the kind of car he prefers, and that's been an even bigger drag on their performance. However, the Coca-Cola 600 was by far their best race of the year on a non-RP track, so things could be looking up for them. On the other hand, there was so much attrition due to crashes that it could be a one-race situation. Dover will not be a good place to judge that, since they've always been terrible at the concrete tracks, so Pocono and Michigan may be more telling whether Charlotte was a one-race situation, or a sign of better things to come there. 996. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.28.2013 - 8:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) If you want to have some fun, go look at the old NNS, KNPSE, and NNT results at Oxford Plains Speedway. 997. Matt posted: 05.28.2013 - 11:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not at all a fan that cheers at wrecks and only wants to see wrecks, but happy to see a couple of legitimate cautions and wrecks tonight; one of the race writers wrote that "cautions happen when someone tries too hard", so seeing the wrecks is a sign of being on the edge which is what race fans want I believe. The more aggressively they can drive these cars (like the gen-4), the more on edge they will be. 998. Dumpkopf posted: 05.28.2013 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Justin Marks to make his Cup debut next month at Sonoma driving Tommy Baldwin's #7. 999. Paul posted: 05.28.2013 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Justin Marks is a pretty talented road racer in his own right, so I'm happy that he's getting a shot at Cup. Hopefully it won't be a start-and-park, which was the case a few years ago when he made his most recent Nationwide start at Montreal 2010. With Victor Gonzalez, Jr. driving the #36 car, this means that both TBR cars will have ringers behind the wheel. 1000. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.28.2013 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) 1000! Stewart needs to strangle himself. 1001. David posted: 05.28.2013 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because I would have on Sunday, and because I want to (and also to save my neck), I am watching the 500 on Youtube. It's painful though, because I have to watch it at the extremely low quality of 144p. Our connection is THAT slow. 1002. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.28.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^WTF?! Are you still on dial-up or something? 1003. David posted: 05.28.2013 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No. During the course of buffering, it improved to 240p, which I can live with. 1004. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.28.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Charlotte beat Indy in the TV ratings department and the margin is likely to increase in the finals. 1005. Ryan W posted: 05.28.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Eric, 'Kevin only does better than his teammates when his equipment is good.' Wow, what a statement. I haven't known him to have top of the line equipment. He's won 21 races during the years that Hendrick, Roush, and JGR have dominated the sport. That has to say something. A few guys on his team arguably had better years than Kevin (Daytona 500 in 2007 makes year) a few years and he's horrible? Gordon was better than Johnson in '04 and '07 up until Chase, so I guess that makes Johnson worse than Gordon those years??? Actually in some eyes Kevin scored the most points in 2010 along with Gordon in '07, if you go back the old way. I've said it before and many have said it, the Chase tracks are set up for Johnson to his liking, a lot for him than others. The Chase is a joke. Brian France is a joke. I brought up Busch Series because apparently some success from Busch Series can help your Hall of Fame resume'. Look at some that are already in. In 2001 he was going to run mainly Busch and then the untimed death of Earnhardt asked a lot of him that year. So you can't really say he was going to be a Busch wacker that year when he already was scheduled just to run Busch that year. 'The only that should count for the lower series argument for Kevin in terms of the Hall of fame was his ownership of KHI and the championship he won in 1998 in the West K&H west series.' LOL. Another ridiculous statement. 1006. Ryan W posted: 05.28.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You guys can hate on Harvick all you want. But it's very rarely, especially in today's racing world that a 'lame-duck' driver have two wins in 12 races regardless if he doesn't lead the most laps or is dominant. Dale Earnhardt said himself he would rather lead the last one then all the others. I don't get the philosophy 'you have to lead a lot of laps to be an awesome driver'. An awesome driver puts himself in a position to win at the right moment and time. Harvick has had bad luck at the restrictor tracks as well this year, as good as he is at those tracks he may have won one at either place. Hardly anyone is dominant in races today with different strategies and so forth, every now and then you see it, but hardly. Also, you have to love Harvick's professional approach to this year so far with the situation he is in. He could have easily throw in the towel and not give everything he has to this year where he is on his way out and concentrate on SHR cars and developing a variety of chemistry there, but he is making the most of it and trying to win races no matter what the circumstance is this year. He says he owes it to his fans, team, sponsors, and himself. If people can't respect that then something is wrong. That's what you call a racer's racer. The way things are going at SHR, Childress and Harvick may want to review things a little bit lol. 1007. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.28.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) Dude... check your posts before hitting enter. No one, not even Jesus Christ, can make out what your saying in that sea of ASCII code. 1008. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan W, Harvick and Childress are doing the same thing in a lame duck year as Bobby Hamilton, Sr. and Richard Petty did in 1997. when Hamilton informed Petty he was leaving for Morgan Mc-Clure Motorsports for 1998 (and what a huge mistake that ended up being), Richard Petty said that for the remainder of that season, he wanted nothing more than to win a second race with Hamilton, which happened at Rockingham. That shows the great respect Petty had for the driver that brought his once-floundering team back to where everyone used to see the #43, at the front of he field. Childres and Harvick are determined to do the exact same thing, and have done even more by not only winning twice, but having one of those wins coming in one of the sport's crown jewel events for a second time, the Coca-Cola 600. And Harvick said he's not very good at Charlotte. He' better there than he lets on. Let's not forget that he was second in his very first Coca-Cola 600, in 2001 to Jeff Burton. And there's a chance that Harvick won't be Childress' only chase driver, as the conservative Paul Menard has moved up to eighth in the points standings, the highest I can ever recall him being in the points, which points out how badly Jeff Burton is dragging the #31 down. Whether or not Austin Dillon is ready is up for debate, but I think he would certainly be an improvement over what Jeff Burton's giving them this year. In fact, I think David Ragan or David Gilliland might be an upgrade over Burton in that car, and I'd like to see Ragan get another chance in a good car, because I think he's earned it, not just with his Talladega win, but also the fact that he seems to have matured more in the two years he's driven for Front Row Motorsports than he did in five years driving Roush's #6 car, which might say more about Roush than anything else. 1009. Daniel posted: 05.28.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 43 entered at Dover: -Scott Riggs in the #44 1010. Paul posted: 05.28.2013 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dude... check your posts before hitting enter." I hate it when people do that. I once copy & pasted a quote on here, and a few of the characters came up as "???" because they didn't match the text on this page. So as a result, I'm always extra cautious when doing that and make sure to insert my own characters like commas and quotation marks just in case the original marks don't match the code on this site. "the conservative Paul Menard has moved up to eighth in the points standings, the highest I can ever recall him being in the points" It's the highest he's been in the points this far into a season. He spent four of the first five weeks of the 2011 season inside the top 8 in points before he regressed towards the mid-to-late teens, and began last season 6th in points following the Daytona 500. "Whether or not Austin Dillon is ready is up for debate, but I think he would certainly be an improvement over what Jeff Burton's giving them this year." I'm not so sure about that. Burton is averaging a 20th place finish this season, and Austin's best finish in five Cup starts (six after Dover) is 21st, and only has two other top 30 finishes. Maybe he'll be better down the road (which is where RCR should be looking), but I'm so sure he would be an improvement over Burton right away. "I think David Ragan or David Gilliland might be an upgrade over Burton in that car" Unless either one of them can get a ride with RPM or Penske (both of which Ragan was rumored to following the 2011 season), the quicker they can get out of the Ford camp, the better. It pains me to say that because I'm a Ford guy and I really like both drivers, but I'd rather see them do well than remain loyal to "my side" for too long. "I'd like to see Ragan get another chance in a good car, because I think he's earned it, not just with his Talladega win, but also the fact that he seems to have matured more in the two years he's driven for Front Row Motorsports than he did in five years driving Roush's #6 car" He's adapted to the restrictor plate races very well ever since he got his first full-time Cup ride in 2007 (finished 5th in the Daytona 500 that year), and the fact that he has only improved on those results at FRM (7th, 4th, and 1st in last three Talladega races), which as we all know isn't on Roush's level, I'd say that's no fluke. He's also pretty damn good at Richmond, as seen from his 20th place finish there the week before his Talladega win, not to mention his 4th place finish there in the fall 2011 race as he tried to make the Chase as a wildcard (two wins). I've seen some improvement with Ragan over the past two seasons that he probably wouldn't have gotten had he stayed with a competitive team, and I think driving for a smaller team for two years has done wonders for him as a driver and as a person. If given another opportunity, I'm sure he would take full advantage of it next time now that he's gotten plenty of experience and humbling seasons under his belt. "which might say more about Roush than anything else." He was simply the victim of a.) being pushed to Cup WAY too quickly (ran partial schedules in ARCA and Truck from '04-'06), and b.) being the bottom man on the Roush totem pole for his entire tenure. He had a really nice season in 2008, where he barely missed the Chase and finished 13th in points, but Roush has rarely (if ever) managed to have more than two competitive teams each season, and since he always had four or five teams while Ragan drove for him, and Ragan was always either the 4th or 5th guy on the totem pole at Roush, he really had no shot at succeeding (Not to mention Roush's favoritism towards Carl Edwards, which meant that Kenseth and Biffle were always fighting for that #2 driver role at Roush, no matter which of them was performing the best.). 1011. David posted: 05.28.2013 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "being the bottom man on the Roush totem pole for his entire tenure." Except from 2007-09, when Jamie McMurray was there. I was pulling hard for McMurray to keep his ride at Roush instead of Ragan, because I felt Roush favored Ragan over McMurray (McMurray finished five spots better in 2009 than Ragan and was STILL outed). The UPS deal probably had a lot to do with it. Looking back, I'm glad things turned out like they did (McMurray wins Daytona and the Brickyard, having a career year). Looking back, it's a little hard to argue with Roush's decision. McMurray was a replacement-level driver during all his years with Roush (0.403, 0.444, 0.889, and 0.764 PEERs from '06-'10), while Ragan produced serviceably in 2008 (1.764), and went on to do the same in 2011 (1.069). McMurray did outperform Ragan the other two years, though. 1012. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And the same thing could be said about Roush and Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. How else is it that Roush doesn't seem to be doing anything there despite Stenhouse causing three wrecks the last four weeks, involving some of the more popular and respected drivers on the circuit, including Terry Labonte (Talladega) and Mark Martin (the All-Star Race). In fact, Martin was heard on his radio saying that he didn't understand what Stenhouse was thinking and Clint Bowyer was wondering how Stenhouse even got in the All-Star Race. That's pretty serious critique, and in the 600, Stenhouse started a wreck by cramming his car three wide on two drivers that were both a lap ahead of him, including his supposed friend Danica Patrick. And now there's this critique from Tony Stewart complaining about Stenhouse blocking him, though I don't put much credibility into that, because of the source. And there's nobody there to calm Stenhouse down. Until last year, that would clearly have been Matt Kenseth's job. I said that not having a true leader was going to be trouble for Roush, and it's coming home to roost exactly the way I suspected it would. Stenhouse seems to be a driver hat's okay for tracks where you have to stay n the throttle, but if it's place that requires technique and precision, he's in serious trouble because he doesn't seem to have any of that, and he doesn't have anyone to teach him that aspect of driving. Charlotte comes to mind, as does Martinsville. Now I know Roush generally isn't very good there, but Stenhouse was flat-out awful there, and I blame it on a lack of technique. He got away with his wild style of driving in the Nationwide Series, but even there he got in crashes the last two years he should never have been in, but now it's finally catching up to him, and if he doesn't throttle it back, he may have a VERY short career in one of Roush's Cup cars, unless Roush is s involved with Stenhouse that he doesn't care how many cars get torn up. And also Paul, how can the problem with the #31 car be anyone or anything other than Jeff Burton when both of his teammates, even the conservative Paul Menard, are in the top eight in points and he's out of the top 20. Austin Dillon hasn't really had a real shot yet. Last year at Michigan, he was running in the top 15, but a ill-timed pit stop put him one lap behind, otherwise, he would have be at least in the top 15, and may have contended for a top ten finish. I was very impressed with Austin in that race. But almost anyone Richard Childress could hire would be better in the #31 car than what Jeff Burton's doing in it now. They can't be much worse, because Burton's hardly ever competitive with even the top 15 any more. He finished 12th in the 600, but that was almost all due to the late-race attrition and the free pass, because he was a 20th place car during much of that race. But Childress needs Burton to mentor the Dillon brothers, so he's willing to let the #31 remain uncompetitive until then. 1013. murb posted: 05.28.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a Jeff Burton fan, I have to defend him a little bit. He's actually had some decent runs this year, but he's had a lot of bad luck. They've been a bit out to lunch on the intermediates, but they have been really fast at the flat and short tracks (he finished 10th at Phoenix, 5th at Richmond, and was running good at Bristol before getting torn up). So I don't think that Burton is in as dire shape as you make him out to be, CJS (and I DEFINITELY don't think Austin Dillon could do any better if he were to step into the 31 car right now - Regan Smith and AJ Allmendinger have completely shown him up in the 51 car this year, and he hasn't been that great in his few starts for RCR either). I do however feel like Burton should follow in Harvick's footsteps and get the hell out of RCR. It's pretty clear that if your last name isn't Dillon, you won't be getting anywhere with that organization. I think Harvick realized this, but unfortunately, it doesn't look like Burton and Menard have (I'm still iffy on Menard's decision to resign with them - he was apparently being courted by other much better teams like JGR). So as a Burton fan, I'm hoping that next year he can either get hooked up with a good second tier Cup team (like RPM) or with a good full time NNS or Truck ride (maybe with Turner Motorsports, as a teammate to his nephew Jeb). 1014. David posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just finished watching the Indianapolis 500. That race was so boring. The Waltrips were right. That race was mellow compared to the 600, and especially the Daytona 500. I don't know why I wasted most of my day to watch that. 1015. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, Regan Smith and A.J Allmendinger also have a lot more experience than Dillon does in the Cup cars. In fact, Smith even has a win in the Southern 500, and Allmendinger almost won at Martinsville last year, so that argument doesn't wash. If they had relatively similar experience levels, then I'd say you have something there. Let's also remember that Phoenix Racing has backing from Hendrick Motorsports going all the way back to when Brad Keselowski won for them. Austin Dillon is an RCR driver, so they might not get the backing for his races, such as this coming race at Dover as they woul when Allmedinger, and especially Smith would get due to Smith's ties to Hendrick Motorsports through Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and Allmendinger won't be in NASCAR much longer, I guarantee that, because I think he'll be driving for Roger Penske in the IndyCar series next year. Allmendinger might drive some of the big races like the Daytona 500, something the man he was named for did for more than a quarter of a century, but he won't be in the NASCAR garage for much more than that and maybe the Brickyard 400. Saying that, doesn't anyone else think it's odd that Kurt Busch may drive for Michael Andretti at Pocono in the IndyCar race there if everything falls into place, and tested one of his IndyCars at Indy early in May (and was impressive by all reports). Remember that when he drove for Roger Penske, Penske wouldn't let him even get near IndyCars, but now we might see Kurt in the Indianapolis 500 in the future if all circmstances allow, and if he drives for Andretti there, and if the style of racing remains the same, Kurt would be one of the favorites based on his drafting experience alone. Wouldn't that be a story if he went up there or Pocono and actually contended for the win? I doubt it would happen, but it would be a story if it did. 1016. David posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) F A R C E... 1017. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) David, do I sense more than a bit of sarcasm there in that post about the Indianapolis 500? 1018. The Long Shot posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's an interesting idea: if Burton can't find another full-time Cup ride, he could split time in the Wood Brothers' #21 with Mark Martin next year while also warming up nephew Jeb's seat in Nationwide. To be more specific, Jeff would run all but about 7 races in either the #32 (assuming Kyle Larson moves into Cup next year) or the #34, with the other 7 going to Jeb. Don't get me wrong, I like Jeff, and I respect him as one of the cleanest drivers in the sport, but I just can't see him getting much of a better deal than this. 1019. David posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, you do, cjs. Obviously, I was joking. That race was awesome. 1020. Anonymous posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan W, I didn't say Kevin is a mediocre driver or a terrible driver, but you are overrating Kevin Harvick and underestimating Clint Bowyer and Jeff Burton. The fact is when the 29 team is off, he's usually outperformed by teammates in points. DaleSrFanForever himself has said when RCR is behind, Kevin is affected even more than his teammates if you compare his points standings. I shouldn't writing Clint Bowyer and Jeff Burton off as a couple guys. The fact is RCR from 2006 to 2011 had a better driver lineup than the earlier part of Kevin's career. Clint Bowyer starting his 2nd cup season in cup has been getting at least 16 top 10's a season despite the equipment. That speaks about Clint Bowyer as a cup driver despite only getting 31 top 5's at RCR. While Clint only won 5 times at RCR, Clint was the more consistent driver than Kevin year in and year out at RCR. Jeff Burton in his prime was a consistent driver that can pull out a lot of top 10's in a season. Jeff Burton from 2006 to 2008 was showing some signs of the Jeff Burton from 1997 to 2000. Even Jeff Burton in 2009 was better in points than Kevin. 1021. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As an IndyCar fan, the race was disappointing as that was not racing. 1022. murb posted: 05.28.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Murb, Regan Smith and A.J Allmendinger also have a lot more experience than Dillon does in the Cup cars." Yeah, but Austin Dillon is a Nascar CHAMPION, so I feel like that and the "Smith and AJ have more experience" thing cancel each other out. And like I said, Dillon has also run like garbage in his RCR Cup races to, so I highly doubt that he would do better than Jeff Burton is doing if you were to stick him in the 31 right now. 1023. Paul posted: 05.28.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "how can the problem with the #31 car be anyone or anything other than Jeff Burton when both of his teammates" I love how I say that I don't think that Austin Dillon can do much better right off the bat than Jeff Burton in the #31 car, and I get this response. I never said that Burton's uncompetitiveness wasn't a problem at RCR, I just said that I disagree that Austin couldn't do much worse than him if he were to replace Burton at RCR, or at least not right away. If you just read the words that I type and not look in between the words, you'll find that that was what I was saying, and not what Cjs wrote up above. "if Burton can't find another full-time Cup ride, he could split time in the Wood Brothers' #21 with Mark Martin next year..." That would only work if both drivers were willing to compete in about 8-10 races next year, which I doubt for both drivers, especially Burton since he, from what I've heard, has no interest in running a part-time schedule next season, much less compete in about 1/4 of the races. "...while also warming up nephew Jeb's seat in Nationwide." I've also heard that Burton has no interest in competing in Nationwide or Trucks next season, and it's pretty much Cup or bust for him. I see four possible rides for him in 2014. The most obvious one would be to remain at RCR, as I don't expect Childress to release Burton after this season. I could also see Burton leaving for a team like Front Row (especially if Ragan or Gilliland leave), JTG Daugherty (either in a 2nd car or as Bobby Labonte's replacement), or possibly even Phoenix Racing if they're still around next season, as a proven veteran like Burton would be more likely to bring in sponsorship than a younger driver. If it were up to me, I would send Burton to Front Row because he's still pretty competitive on restrictor plate tracks, which are FRM's best tracks, and because he would add veteran leadership and experience to a team with very little of either. I would also have Ragan move over to MWR to replace Truex, seeing as how he knows how to win races and Truex is in a contract year. Truex would then go to a smaller team (preferably to JTG, possibly with Cup champion and 21-time winner Bobby Labonte as a teammate), where he would attempt to revitalize his career and hopefully start a fire inside of him that is non-existent right now. 1024. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.28.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The question of course Indycar bosses have to be asking is why this year's Indy 500 had the lowest tv ratings in history and probably the lowest attendance since 1949. One would have thought last year's race would have left an impression. 1025. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, nobody that's run that #33 RCR car the last couple of years has been competitive. Remember they ran it the first five races of last year with Elliott Sadler and Brendan Gaughan in hopes of getting sponsorship to run the full season, and it was close to being last among the cars that tried to go the distance and didn't have any problems. And another thing about the #33 RCR car the last couple of years. Every time it's run out of the RCR stables, it's exhausted some of the resources of the full-time RCR teams, the 27, 29, and 31 cars, just to run it, and it's not a Cup-quality effort in terms of being competitive. I doubt anyone except the most elite of drivers could really be competitive in that car, given the situation. And Paul, you said that the only way that Jeff Burton and Mark Martin would be willing to share the #21 Wood Brothers ride would be if each is winning to run 8-10 races. There's a math problem with that right away, since the Woods are only running 12 races this year, will probably only be running that many races in future years, and have not run more than 18 since 2008. And of course, there is the situation with their current driver, Trevor Bayne, who they've been very happy with. And unlike Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., who was causing accidents in three of the last four races, Bayne was like a magician in avoiding two late-race crashes on route to a 16th place finish, which would likely have been better, if not for his early-race pit stop for a debris-related overheating problem from which he never really recovered. If not for that, a top ten finish might not have been completely been out of the question. If that scenario with the Wood Brothers happens, what happens to their current driver? I doubt there will be sponsorship for Roush to revive his flagship #6 car, and Bayne is ill-suited for the Nationwide cars, so he might not have a job at all, if he's not retained by the Wood Brothers for 2014. 1026. 83andJoe posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) >or possibly even Phoenix Racing if they're still around next season, as a proven veteran like Burton would be more likely to bring in sponsorship than a younger driver. Phoenix is having no problem getting sponsor offers, the problem is that none meet James Finch's standards, which appear to be set at "Lowe's+Jimmie Johnson" level. 1027. murb posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS, I'm just gonna leave this one by reiterating that I just don't think Austin Dillon would do any better than Burton has done if he were to climb into the 31 right now. He's shown hardly any potential in his few Cup races thus far. 1028. cjs3872 posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Either that 83and Joe, or Finch has already decided to pull the plug on his operation after the Brickyard 400, no matter how much sponsorship money he's offered. I think all he wanted to do with his Cup team was to win a Cup race, and Brad Keselowski accomplished that in 2009. After that, I think that Finch may have lost the desire to fully compete long-term because he had now accomplished his goal of winning a Cup race. 1029. murb posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Phoenix is having no problem getting sponsor offers, the problem is that none meet James Finch's standards, which appear to be set at "Lowe's+Jimmie Johnson" level." Yeah, Finch has to rival Bill Davis and Jack Roush in the "Nascar's Worst Businessmen" department. In that Kurt Busch documentary last year, Kurt said he had some part time sponsors willing to step up for the team, but apparently they "weren't good enough". What a clown. It's disrespectful to some of the other shoe string budget teams that would kill for a part time sponsor like that. 1030. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jack Roush simply charges top dollar for spots on his car. Apparently Discount Tire spends around a quarter on their current full season Nationwide program than when they were full time nationwide with Roush. He's also recently lost a bunch of top notch marketing people to Gibbs and Penske. 1031. The Long Shot posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Front Row could be an option for Burton. The problem is, I just don't see either Ragan or Gilliland leaving next year, mainly because of the lack of decent rides out there. I could see Ragan leaving if RPM either starts a third team or if they release Marcos Ambrose, but other than that, the best option he'll have is a full-time Nationwide ride. I think that if Ragan does leave FRM, which would probably be for the best, he'll end up running a full Nationwide schedule (possibly for JR Motorsports, who flirted with him after his release from Roush in 2011). As for Gilliland, he might not even get that if he were to leave, so he'll just have to stick around with Front Row. Josh Wise doesn't belong in the Cup Series, at least not now, so Burton could replace him in the #35, but I doubt it. Bob Jenkins is loyal almost to a fault to his drivers, so I just can't see any of them leaving. I think JTG Daugherty would be Jeff's best option if he's released by RCR. Bobby Labonte has had an underwhelming year to say the least, and Burton would provide a major upgrade. And by the way, I'm not buying Brad Daugherty's claim that he'll start a second team next year. They haven't been having the results to warrant even considering it. 1032. Jim Davis posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In that Kurt Busch documentary last year, Kurt said he had some part time sponsors willing to step up for the team, but apparently they "weren't good enough"." I wonder if Busch was being entirely fair to Finch. After all, earlier this year at Texas, Austin Dillon put together some sponsorship (Bruce Lowrie Chevrolet / Realtree) and Finch put him in the #51. So Finch might not be holding out for a 20 year contract with Budweiser as Busch would have us believe. 1033. Eric posted: 05.28.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan W, It isn't just Clint Bowyer and Jeff Burton outperforming Harvick in the past when RCR had off years. Jeff Green and Robby Gordon in 2002 finished higher in points than Kevin Harvick did. Yes, not a typo. I didn't say Kevin was a terrible driver, the fact if he What Kevin did in 2001,2003,2006,2010 and 2011 showed when the 29 as a better driver than his teammates when RCR isn't way behind. That means RCR wasn't always as behind as you make it sound. RCR is very inconsistent year in and year out for equipment. 2006 was a year for RCR matter of fact. Jeff Burton had the best car for multiple races, and Kevin had a great year. Clint as a rookie in 2006 showed flashes of what he was going to be as a cup driver. 2011 for Jeff Burton was caused by him being past his prime. The reason Kevin was better in 2012 than his teammates is because Jeff Burton is fading badly, and the type of driver Paul Menard is back in 2012. 1034. David posted: 05.28.2013 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Satirical Comment Confession #1: I posted as "Danica Patrick", "Brian France", and "Bob Bahre" on the Sprint All-Star Race comment page. Both the Danica and Bahre comments were deleted for whatever reason. 1035. Paul posted: 05.29.2013 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Apparently Discount Tire spends around a quarter on their current full season Nationwide program than when they were full-time Nationwide with Roush." Discount Tire won two races in three seasons as the primary sponsor on Roush's Nationwide program (both by David Ragan in 2009), and have won 15 races in just over three seasons at Penske (all by Brad Keselowski, including 12 wins as the primary sponsor). I few people on here have quoted Kyle Petty on this, and I think it sums this up perfectly: Jack Roush doesn't give his team and his drivers everything they need to win and be as successful as they can be. "He's also recently lost a bunch of top notch marketing people to Gibbs and Penske." Ever since the 2007 partnership with Fenway Sports Group, Roush's biggest strength has been obtaining personnel and sponsorship (McMurray, Stenhouse, Bayne, Cheez-It, Kellogg's, Best Buy, NOS Energy, etc.), but his biggest weakness has been retaining personnel and sponsorship (Kenseth, DeWalt, Discount Tire, AAA, UPS for more than one race, various development drivers--although most of them were probably flops anyway--, etc.). The only things that he's really been able to retain have been his 3M sponsorship (Roush sponsor since 2006) and the entire Carl Edwards driver/sponsorship package (and most of that was because a.) Toyota denied JGR's HIGH contract offer for Carl, and b.) Ford put a lot of money on the table to retain him). I think sponsors and personnel come to Roush because of the team's large NASCAR presence, the high prestige that goes along with working for a big organization, and high contract offers, but once they get their money's worth and/or the exposure that they wanted, they take off and go somewhere else for whatever reason, whether it be because of a better deal with another team or because they can't stand working with the organization anymore. People want to be a part of Hendrick, Gibbs, Penske, MWR, and even Childress due to the high energy and friendly working environments that those teams have (although Childress is sort of becoming a playground at which Pop-Pop's grandkids can play). I just don't get that same vibe from Roush's organization. 1036. 83andJoe posted: 05.29.2013 - 7:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) >I wonder if Busch was being entirely fair to Finch. After all, earlier this year at Texas, Austin Dillon put together some sponsorship (Bruce Lowrie Chevrolet / Realtree) and Finch put him in the #51. So Finch might not be holding out for a 20 year contract with Budweiser as Busch would have us believe. When Richard Childress says "frog", James Finch and Joe Falk say "ribbit". (Finch also has explicitly stated he won't take part-season sponsorships.) 1037. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.29.2013 - 9:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finch is a pinch. 1038. cjs3872 posted: 05.29.2013 - 9:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul, that statement in your last post, if true, confirms what I said a year or two back when I said that Fenway/the Red Sox are more to blame for Roush's inability to keep drivers and/or sponsorship than Roush is, because Roush may have had sponsorship lined up, but that sponsorship, for whatever reason, may have been rejected by the Red Sox, who controls the purse strings at Roush. I think if Roush cut off ownership ties with the Red Sox, I think he'd have a much easier time getting sponsorship. And by the way, that works as a two-way street, because the Red Sox have not been nearly as successful since buying into Roush Racing as they were before they bought into it. After all, they won two World Series in four years (2004, '07), but since then, their fortunes have slowly, except for last year, deteriorated, as they've missed the playoffs every year since 2009, including their collapse in 2011, so they haven't exactly been a model of success since they aligned themselves with Roush Racing. This year, the Red Sox are back to where many fans have been accustomed to seeing them, but can they keep it together? 1039. AveryNH posted: 05.29.2013 - 10:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS, they better! last year was abysmally brutal on many levels. 1040. Jim Davis posted: 05.29.2013 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "When Richard Childress says "frog", James Finch and Joe Falk say "ribbit"." Really? Why? "Finch also has explicitly stated he won't take part-season sponsorships." He took a one race sponsorship from Dillon. He also runs with a Hendrickcars.com sponsorship fairly often. Perhaps Fiinch is more flexible than he claims? What sponsors has Finch turned down? 1041. murb posted: 05.29.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He took a one race sponsorship from Dillon. He also runs with a Hendrickcars.com sponsorship fairly often." He runs the Hendrick sponsorship because Hendrick is giving him his race cars, and I guarantee you that Childress had something to do with the one race sponsorship for Austin Dillon. 1042. Jim Davis posted: 05.29.2013 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He runs the Hendrick sponsorship because Hendrick is giving him his race cars..." So there is precedent for Finch putting logos on his cars in return for financial considerations, right? "...and I guarantee you that Childress had something to do with the one race sponsorship for Austin Dillon." I don't doubt it for a minute, but yet again, that's precedent for Finch putting logos on his cars for financial considerations. Now granted these could be special cases in special circumstances. But what do we have in the other column? What sponsorships has Finch rejected because they weren't for an entire year? 1043. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.29.2013 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Jim Davis, one thing I can tell you is that he dumped Miccosukee as a sponsor because they wanted to continue the partial schedule. 1044. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.29.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ESPN's NASCAR "Your turn" for this week... some guy is pissing and whining that Denny Hamlin is 24th in points... hell-freaking-lo?!!?! 1045. Richie61NYfan posted: 05.29.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Not to worry Nico , It's only a Princess BoB fan wondering why he is still ahead of her in points with 4 less race starts. Must be cheatin you know. 1046. Frank posted: 05.29.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Your Turn is just as worthless as the chats with the writers. 1047. 83andJoe posted: 05.29.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) >But what do we have in the other column? What sponsorships has Finch rejected because they weren't for an entire year? Names were not named, but in the reports that said the team would shut down after the Brickyard, he explicitly said he had no interest in anything short of a full-season, top-flight deal. 1048. Scott B posted: 05.29.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was curious about AD driving for Finch when the deal was first announced. The connection I found was that Tag Heuer was the common denominator, having been a Finch sponsor when Kurt Busch was the driver in Cup and also having worked with Austin Dillon in past. That's how the Childress development driver found his way into a Hendrick-powered car. My guess about Finch is that he expected to be able to put a much higher price tag on his team sponsorships after the first Cup win with Brad Keselowski, but that wasn't going to happen with the economic conditions. 1049. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.29.2013 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BAAAHHH!!! Thank you BSPN for damn near giving me a heart attack. NY Giants WR Steve Smith, the less talented and less game changing (but still really good) but MUCH luckier of the two Steve Smiths at WR in the NFL (the other one of course is #89 for my Panthers, aka the only player worth a shit for them since 2005 ended with the exception a a few scattered huge games for RBs Deangelo Williams and Jon Stewart when the opposing D forgets we haven't had a QB in 8 seasons and collapsing on the run game is the easy way to victory over Carolina) is retiring. He got to be part of the two magical Giants Super Bowl runs and wins while Steve only got to one Super Bowl against the Pats and their video cameras in a heart wrenching loss. Since then he has been saddled with supporting casts that have ranged from scrappy but very vulnerable, to outright terrible, to "Cam Newton's team". Of course the headliine simply read "Steve Smith retires". Morons. 1050. David posted: 05.29.2013 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shuanghui International Holdings Ltd., a Chinese company, is acquiring Smithfield Foods Inc. (#43 sponsor) for $4.72 billion. Stay tuned. 1051. jabber1990 posted: 05.29.2013 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I forgot who said it but somebody said "unless Roush is ok with Stenhouse wrecking racecars" I have no clue why he woudl be ok with it...the 17 car doesnt have a full 36-race sponsorship on it does it? 1052. cjs3872 posted: 05.29.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That would likely have been me, jabber1990, because I can't believe that Roush would be very happy with Stenhouse right now. Sure, he's finishing races, but the fact that he's caused wrecks in three of the last four races with his wild driving and awful decision-making can't be making Roush happy at all. For instance, the move he made at Talladega was never going to work and the move he tried to make at Charlotte was just plain awful. You don't cram your car inside two others that are one lap ahead of you to go three wide, because it's a move with extreme risk and no reward at all, even if you make it, and Stenhouse keeps making these mistakes over and over again. He made them in the Nationwide Series, such as the one with Joey Logano at Kansas last year, and even ignored his team at Homestead last year when they told him NOT to race anyone, knowing the only way he would not win the title was for him to actually lose it, and he continually ignored his team on the radio, and would even turn his radio off just so that he wouldn't have to hear his own team rightfully get on him for doing something he doesn't have to do. Someone over at Roush has to get on his case on this or his career there may be VERY short. It's one thing to go a little over the line and crash, because that's part of the learning process, but to do so when you make just flat-out awful decisions that have no chance to succeed, or even if they do succeed, have no benefit at all. That's what Roush has to get through to Stenhouse on. Running the car too hard is one thing, but making horrible decisions is another, and Roush doesn't have anyone in his organization on the Cup side that can act as a mentor. Matt Kenseth filled that role in recent year, but Roush let him go, and that's starting to catch up to him as far as Stenhouse goes, because neither Carl Edwards or Greg Biffle is capable of acting as a mentor, like Kenseth, Mark Martin, and Jeff Burton acted as mentors for them. 1053. Richie61NYfan posted: 05.29.2013 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs,Lil Rickey BoBBY aint the 1st to go 3 wide. Sides, Smoke is the one that is pzzd at him. The fact remains,Princess you know who can't hack it in close quarters and never will. More seat time my a zz! BoB should be good to go at Dover as she already tested there along with Pocono today and tomorrow not to mention the practice during race weekend etc. Yes, she needs more seat time. Nice to see her and Rickey patched things up huh? Brad's fans must be fuming because he took the blame. 1054. cjs3872 posted: 05.29.2013 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rchie61NYfan, my problem with the move Stenhouse made in the 600 wasn't that he went three wide, but rather he was forcing the issue on two cars that were a lap ahead of him, so he had nothing to gain even if he had made that pass work. I agree with you about Danica usually not being able to cut it in close quarters, though her performance at Martinsville may say differently under the right circumstances. I don't know what my comment had to do with getting more seat time, because that's not an issue here. My issue has to do with Ricky Stenhouse's continuing problems with poor decision making. And as I've said before, Tony Stewart is the last driver that should ever complain about blocking, since he's probably the biggest culprit of blocking on the entire circuit. And I'll never forget the 1997 Indianapolis 500 when he ran Arie Luyendyk into the grass on the backstretch around the three-quarter mark of that race. That incident right there takes away any credibility Stewart has on that subject, not to mention all the blocking he's done over the years in NASCAR. 1055. David posted: 05.29.2013 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Toyota denied JGR's HIGH contract offer for Carl" Actually, I believe Home Depot vetoed that deal. 1056. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 1:11 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) And David, I think they and JGR are glad they did, I that's the case because instead of Edwards, a driver that's proven over and over again that he shrinks when the pressure is on, they have a driver in Matt Kenseth who thrives in those situations, not to mention that Kenseth is the leader that JGR has lacked since the departure of Tony Stewart, at last, if not the departure of Bobby Labonte three years before that. And look at what Kenseth's departure has done to Roush, not only regarding his driver lineup, but also what the loss of his expertise in setting up cars has done to both his Nationwide and Cup Series teams. The departure of Kenseth is much bigger than losing Edwards could ever have been for Roush, and it's a bigger gain than getting Edwards could ever have ben for JGR. Sure, Kenseth doesn't have nearly as many years left as Edwards does, but Kenseth can also act as a mentor to guys like Darrell Wallace, Jr., and possibly Parker Kligerman and Joey Coulter, just as Kenseth mentored guys like Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (who still needs some more mentoring) and Trevor Bayne at Roush. And it's no accident that the JGR cars are doing better because of Kenseth's knowledge and expertise at setting cars up, expertise which, as I mentioned, Roush is lacking badly this year. 1057. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.30.2013 - 8:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Agreed, cjs. If Carl Edwards was driving the #20 at Darlington Denny Hamlin or Jeff Gordon would have won that race because he would have cracked like an egg. I also think Roush would have been better off with Trevor Bayne. When you consider Bayne is driving for the Wood Brothers and then consider that they would be split evenly head-to-head if not for Bayne's engine failure at Talladega, you have to believe Bayne would be doing better. He's better at the plate tracks, so he would probably have been top-10 at Daytona and would not have caused that demo-derby at Talladega. He might have even led more laps and finished higher at Kansas. 1058. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, I'm not sure Edwards would have "cracked like an egg" at Darlington. I just don't think he would have gotten in position to take advantage of Kyle Busch's tire problem the way Matt was able to. I also disagree that Bayne would have led more laps at Kansas because he's just not the type of driver that's going to lead very many laps, but he probably would have finished a little higher, not only in that race, but a number of other races because he wouldn't force the issue. He seems to be better at the plate tracks because he doesn't force the issue, but rather lets the race come to him, and you can't constantly force the issue on the track, or you're not going to be on the track at the end. It's that simple. And I can almost guarantee that Bayne would never have never tried to do what Stenhouse tried to do in the 600, because he se to know better than to cram a car into a three-wide position where there's absolutely nothing to gain. Bayne seems to have the track sense that Stenhouse lacks, even after back-to-back Nationwide Series titles, and I think the experience of the Wood Brothers have a lot to do with that, because I believe they've taught him the racecraft that Stenhouse still seems to lack, and really has nobody to teach him at Roush currently. 1059. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.30.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I still think he would have led more laps because he wouldn't have run off the tires. 1060. Ryan W posted: 05.30.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nico, Not sure why, but my computer sometimes does that with comma's and '... Jesus wouldn't have a problem. 1061. Ryan W posted: 05.30.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "What Kevin did in 2001,2003,2006,2010 and 2011 showed when the 29 as a better driver than his teammates when RCR isn't way behind. That means RCR wasn't always as behind as you make it sound. RCR is very inconsistent year in and year out for equipment. 2006 was a year for RCR matter of fact. Jeff Burton had the best car for multiple races, and Kevin had a great year. Clint as a rookie in 2006 showed flashes of what he was going to be as a cup driver. 2011 for Jeff Burton was caused by him being past his prime. The reason Kevin was better in 2012 than his teammates is because Jeff Burton is fading badly, and the type of driver Paul Menard is back in 2012." RCR has been behind some, Childress can thank Dale for a lot of his success. He can thank Kevin for keeping him in the business the last 10 years. Without him he would be hunting even more than he is now. Heck sometimes Childress wasn't even at the track at some races because of going on some African Safari's, etc. Now that "his" boys are coming up he is there constantly and cares more. I think the last 5 years Childress was content with whatever happened, and if Harvick or Bowyer did well or made the Chase he would care more and be there more. He's like the car owner at a big car lot that is hardly ever there during those years and comes around when things are either going real bad or real good. Childress owed a lot to Dale Earnhardt, but he owes Kevin a lot as well for keeping him in the running the last few years, even when his neck was barely above water. Say what you want about Kevin, but the facts doesn't lie... He's won 21 races with a half-assed owner the last 12 years. If he's in the top 5 with 50 to go, you know he's like a shark smelling blood. Look out. Closer 1062. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But NicoRosbergFan, Bayne would not have led as much, if at all, because he would not have been that far up in the field to be able to lead. Yes, he would not have been as hard on his tires, but he also would not have been that far up in the field either. If I remember that particular stage of that race correctly, Stenhouse had to run as hard as he could, just to take the lead from Carl Edwards, and then stay in front of Matt Kenseth. That alone tells me that Bayne would not have been able to lead like Stenhouse did because he probably wouldn't have run as hard at that stage of the race. 1063. AveryNH posted: 05.30.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hot off the presses!! J.R. Hildebrand has been fired by Panther Racing after a god awful Indy 500 and an overall lackluster season so far. Shame too, he's a great kid and a talented driver. Hope he's back in a ride soon 1064. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 05.30.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Briscoe will drive the Detroit Grand Prix this week for Panther Racing, replacing J.R. Hildebrand. It's no surprise to see J.R. let go, outside of almost winning the 500 he's done nothing for that team and has brought a damaged car back more often than not. It was past due for him to be out of a ride and for the team to find someone more talented. Long-term, I'm sure than National Guard will want an American driver, but there really aren't a lot of choices, although Bryan Clauson or Conor Daly would both do well with the team. 1065. murb posted: 05.30.2013 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully JR Hildebrand can pick up another ride somewhere. He hasn't impressed me too much, but at the same time he's young and deserves another shot somewhere. 1066. Baker posted: 05.30.2013 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have been very bored this racing season because NASCAR has erked me to the point I have only watched 3 races so far this year Daytona, Darlington and Charlotte. With all the free time on my hands I have made a list of what the all time wins list could look like if bad things didn't happen to good drivers. 1. Richard Petty 161 2. Herb Thomas 101 3. David Pearson 94 4. Bobby Allison 85 5. Cale Yaborough 80 6. Darrell Waltrip 78 7. Dale Earnhardt 72 8. Fireball Roberts 67 9. Jeff Gordon 67 10. Jimmie Johnson 62 11. Tim Richmond 49 12. Tony Stewart 47 13. Lee Petty 47 14. Davey Allison 46 15. Rusty Wallace 46 16. Ned Jarrett 45 17. Tim Flock 39 18. Buck Baker 38 19. Bill Elliott 36 20. Junior Johnson 35 I firmly believe Herb Thomas is the single most talented driver of all time. His win percentages are almost equal on dirt and paved tracks. He could win anywhere and drove his best at the toughest tracks. A lot of those old dogs were either great on dirt or paved, but unlike Herb couldn't be as equally great on both. If it were not for an injury due to a cheap shot he would have been the early dominant figure in the sport. Richard Petty would obviously surpase him in wins, but I would see it happening much later into the 60s or early 70s. Fireball Roberts was a great driver who died early as well, but I don't feel he was every as dominant as Herb Thomas was in his era so I don't see the off the charts numbers. I do see him about doubling his career win total if he were able to race a full career. I believe a young hot shot driver like Jeff Gordon would have taken a huge hit in his win totals with Tim Richmond, Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki still around. There is no way those guys would role over and let Jeff Gordon do to them what was being done by Gordon in the mid 90s. And remember Tim Richmond would have been in equal cars so the obvious advantage Chevy had at that time would be moot. Also, Robert Yates was extremely close with Davey and basically only held on so long in NASCAR to get a championship. His real desire and max effort left the sport when he lost Davey. With a fully focused Yates and Allison I don't see Chevy getting so far ahead in the mid 90s. Dale Earnhardt was taken way too early, but lets face it he was at the end of his career. With that being the case I only picture him getting 2 more wins at most so guys like Stewart and Johnson's win totals were untouched by the changes in history. I was bored and thought it would be something fun to look into. I obviously didn't get to watch guys like Fireball and Herb in person and I can only go by what I read and see from history and stats and this is what I came up with. What say you cjs? 1067. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, this may be the end of J.R. Hildebrand as a driver in a competitive car, if not the end of his career, though I hope not. Frankly, I think his problems have to do with the ghosts of what happened to him at the end of the 2011 Indianapolis 500. I feared something like this would happen to him because what happened there that day, because when something like that happens, that follows you everywhere, and don't think he's gotten over the specter of that, and I don't think he ever will. He handled that whole thing with the class of a champion, but there's no question he's also suffering from the aftermath of it. I just hope it doesn't end like the Donnie Moore situation. 1068. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually Baker, Fireball Roberts was just about at the end of his driving career at the time of his fatal burns from the crash at the World 600 in 1964. From what I've heard, he had already agreed to become a commentator for ABC Sports and was only going to drive in one more race, the 1964 Southern 500, where he was the defending champion, and then he was going into the broadcast booth. In fact, rumor has it that he was uncomfortable racing at that time, and Smokey Yunick even gave him a chance to drive at Indy in his side car that Bobby Johns eventually attempted to qualify, fortunately failing to do so. So much like Bill Vukvoich, Sr. in the 1955 Indianapolis 500 and Dale Earnhardt in the 2001 Daytona 500, Fireball Roberts had a bad feeling about the 1964 World 600, having already seen Joe Weatherly losing his life. And of course, Roberts' crash occurred just six days before the Indianapolis 500, a race in which two drivers, Eddie Sachs and Dave MacDonald, burned to death, while two others, Ronnie Duman and Parnelli Jones, were seriously burned. 1069. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.30.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, a lot of that is good, but a lot of it is crock. First of all, Dale Earnhardt was still as kick-ass as ever, coming off a runner-up finish in points and a strong end to the season. Also, Davey Allison would probably still be driving, so there goes a lot more of the post-2000 wins that you GAVE to guys like Johnson, Stewart, and the guys not listed, because Davey would have been winning 2-6 races a year until probably 3 or 4 years ago, maybe even breaking Harry's win record (good Allison genes, buddy). I know cjs would throw the bull about how "Yates would have stunk in the mid-1990s anyway" stuff, but let's assume it didn't. He'd probably have closer to 60-80 wins, assuming he wins an average of 3 a year. I think you'd have to drop Stewart out of the 40s, Johnson into the the low 50s or upper 40s, and Jeff to mid to low 50s. You need to assume a driver can win until age 50, because for most of the greats that's when they stop winning, in the case of guys like Harry, or they fall off, like Richard. Tim Richmond would be good to 2005, Davey probably still good, Alan good until 2004 plus he'd probably find some kid like Clay Rogers or somebody else on the short track circuit and turn him into a star, Geoff Bodine doesn't leave Bud Moore, so he would have been good longer. No Davey death means Ernie is still around. Summary: you CAN'T do it because there are at the least 200 variables, but it's still fun. Heck, with those guys still alive Stewart, Kenseth, Busch, Jarrett, both Labontes, Johnson, and Gordon probably combine for 10 titles or fewer. 1070. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, you don't know the half of it where Davey Allison is concerned. In fact, in the early 90s, I predicted he would have more wins than his father did, which meant that his win total would have been at least 86. That's because by the end of the 1992 season, Davey, at the age of 31, already had 18 wins, and considering that Harry Gant had the exact same win total and was still a competitive driver more than 20 years older than Davey was, Davey had 20 years of competitive racing left in him, a fact proven by Mark Martin's longevity, and Mark's two years older than Davey was. That means had he not been killed, all he had to do was to average three wins a year through 2011, and he would have matched his father's win total, and you know he would have had many seasons in that time frame with more than three wins. In fact, Donnie Allison once said that when his nephew was killed, that NASCAR lost the next great rivalry, which he believes would have been Jeff Gordon vs. Davey Allison, which also would have been a continuation of the Ford vs. Chevrolet rivalry. 1071. Eric posted: 05.30.2013 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, You are correct about Fireball Roberts already had plans of retiring, but I question about agreeing to become a commentator for ABC Sports. There are multiple sources on the internet mention Fireball Roberts took a took a prominent public relations position with the Falstaff Brewing Co. 1072. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.30.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, you're the correct one. He was going to be a PR man for Falstaff. cjs, just for your factbook, I gave Davey 1 win in 1993 and 3 on avg every year for 1994-2013 to give him 78 wins. You're quite right though that he might have had 86 wins. Given Tim Richmond's condition, we could have had quite an interesting 90s without the fatalities. We would have had Richmond, Gordon, and Earnhardt in the Chevy's versus Wallace, Martin, and Allison in the Ford's. 1073. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who's to say that Roberts couldn't have been both a PR man for the Falstaff Brewing Company and a commentator for ABC Sports? Then again, that's just a rumor I heard years ago, so I have no idea whether or not that was actually true about him being a commentator after his driving days were over. And also NicoRosbergFan, who's to say that Davey wouldn't have had just the one win in 1993 if he hadn't been killed? That's why I said if he had a 3-win per year average from 1993-2011, he would have had 85 wins, the same as his father. The irony in that, of course, is that Jeff Gordon ended up with that exact win total at the end of the 2011 season, 85. But I believe Davey would have won more races in 1993, as the Fords, which were embarrassingly behind during the first half of the '93 season, were turning the corner at about he same time of Davey's death, led by Mark Martin and the Robert Yates team, starting with Davey at Loudon, which he almost won. And let's not forget that the Richard Childress team let off at about the two-thirds point of the season to protect a lead of over 300 points, which was one reason Rusty eventually got to within 80 at season's end, which is another reason I believe Davey would have won more races late in the 1993 season, as he did in 1991. 1074. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.30.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just can't help but feel Davey is the one who left the most future success behind due to his early death. First off, his actual numbers are impressive enough. 19 wins on every type of track in just 6 and 1/2 years, all during NASCAR's competitive peak, with an organization that was making very fast cars, but was in flux, changing ownership, and suffered from inconsistency. Only once they got Larry Mac, the round peg that fit in the round they needed, and the final piece of the puzzle, that things settled down for RYR with Davey winning 10 races over the next 2 years with back to back 3rd place points finishes, including what would have been a walk off title in '92 were it not for injuries multiple times that killed their momentum. I just look at the fact that Davey was just entring his prime years as a driver at 32 and already had all that under his belt experience wise. Then I look at how strong RYR was in '94, '96, '97, '99, and most of '01. They were the strongest organization of those years. I see at least 4 championships in his future. I know DJ was good, but RYR made him look better imo, I am pretty sure Davey would have outperformed him. So in my opinion he had the most left. 1075. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.30.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bad math there, cjs. 19 * 3 = 57. 57 + 21 (give Davey 2 more wins in 1993 and 3 wins/yr from 1994-2011) = 78, not 85. To get 85 or more wins, Davey would have to continue that through next year. 1076. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry about that, NicoRosbergFan. You're absolutely right, and that's embarrassing for me, since my best subject in school was math (I even took algebra). But if I'm right about what I suspected about Davey, he certainly would have gotten the other seven wins to equal his father by the end of the 2011 season. 1077. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.30.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Davey would have retired before 2011. Nobody who was running full time in 1987 is still active for more than a few races. The closest we currently have is Mark Martin who began full time a year after Davey in '88 and is like Brett Favre, only more likeable by a mile. 1078. The Long Shot posted: 05.30.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think Davey would have retired before 2011." You never know. Bobby Allison drove full-time for 22 years before his career-ending crash at Pocono in 1988, and I believe he certainly could have gone on for another 3-4 years after that if he hadn't been injured. Donnie never raced full-time after he lost his ride in 1980, but he continued running part-time schedules up until '88. With those genes in his system, Davey very well could have raced up until 2011 and beyond, at least as a part-timer like Terry Labonte or Ken Schrader. 1079. 83andJoe posted: 05.30.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Interesting news: Frank Cicci has bought into the ownership of Jamie Dick's NNS team. 1080. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually DSFF and The Long Shot, Mark Martin began racing full-time on the Cup circuit in 1982, but lost his ride with Jim Stacy in 1983 and made rare appearances in NASCAR, including one in the 1986 Daytona 500, until returning for good with Jack Roush in 1988. And if Davey Allison was anything like his father and uncle, he would never have quit unless he was forced to because of age or injury, and Bobby was still a winning driver at the age of 50, which would have been Davey's age in 2011, so Davey would probably still be racing today if he hadn't been killed. 1081. David posted: 05.30.2013 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "he dumped Miccosukee as a sponsor because they wanted to continue the partial schedule." I'm pretty sure Miccosukee dumped him. They didn't want to be involved in racing anymore (new management, I believe). "Bad math there, cjs. 19 * 3 = 57. 57 + 21 (give Davey 2 more wins in 1993 and 3 wins/yr from 1994-2011) = 78, not 85. To get 85 or more wins, Davey would have to continue that through next year." Actually, you're both wrong. Assuming Davey has 21 wins at the end of 1993, and he averages three wins per year through 2011, that adds up to 75 wins. 1994-2011 is eighteen seasons (18*3=54, 54+21=75). Don't worry too much. Even though I'm still in high school, I'm pretty good with numbers (I know 96 digits of pi, though I've mentioned that before). 1082. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 05.30.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the sport would look very different today if Davey Allison was still around, in a good way. Jeff Gordon winning 4 championships between 1994 and 2001 forced every other team on the circuit to try and find the next young gun to compete with him and as a result, Kenny Irwin Jr., Kurt Busch, Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson, Matt Kenseth, Ryan Newman, Casey Atwood, etc., all were moved up to cup at least a season or two before drivers of similar age / stats would have been just a decade earlier. Had Allison not died in 1993, Jeff Gordon would not have won 4 championships and 50+ races in that span, and owners would not have been in a mad rush for "the next big thing". 1083. murb posted: 05.30.2013 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A Davey/Gordon rivalry would have been AMAZING. 1084. Eric posted: 05.30.2013 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Davey Allison didn't died, there wouldn't have a series of events happening. I think Dale Jarrett would of stayed at JGR and that meant Bobby Labonte would have been stuck at Davis. Ward Burton's career would have turned out worse also. I think Rick Hendrick would have picked Ernie Irvan for the 5 car for 1994. I am saying that because Ernie wanted out of Morgan Mcclure and HMS would have the best place for him in terms of 1994. I think Ernie in Hendrick equipment would have been interesting. 1085. cjs3872 posted: 05.30.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Donnie Allison thought so, murb. And considering that Jeff Gordon and Dale Jarrett were the big rivalry (with apologies to Dale, Sr., Mark Martin and the Labonte brothers), especially in the big races, in the late 90s, it would have been great to see Jeff and Davey go at it for about 20 years, because, taking nothing away from those that Gordon drubbed for seven years, Davey would have pushed Gordon harder than any of the others would have, and I guarantee that there would have been some conflict between them. 1086. Baker posted: 05.30.2013 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nico, Davey is my favorite all time driver and I messed up big trying to not let my bias show through. I thought 50 was a good age to have him retire, but my bonehead math said 2001. That was a total brain fart on my part. 1087. Eric posted: 05.31.2013 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan. I don't think Geoff Bodine was going to be good longer than he was. The fact If Geoff didn't have so many DNF in 1994, Geoff would have finished in the top 10 in points and could have had 5 or 6 wins matter of fact. I think Geoff could have won the first Brickyard if Brett didn't wreck him. I also had Geoff win at Bristol and at the fall race at Charlotte if he didn't have problems. While Lake Speed was respectable in the 15 in 1994, Bud Moore was going to slip in 1995 not matter who was in the car even if it wasn't Dick Trickle. The other thing was Geoff was affected by a divorce as an owner/driver in 1995 besides the fact Geoff was going to be 46 in 1995. 1088. DaleSrFanForever posted: 05.31.2013 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Davey would have won big numbers from the mid to late 90's. He got those 19 wins during NASCAR's most stacked era when it was the toughest to win (in addition to the huge numbers of legends in every field, the schedule was only 29 races). Once RYR began pulling away with the technology boom in '95 onwards, pretty much his only competition would have been HMS (Gordon and Terry), Roush (Martin and Burton), and JGR starting in '99 (BLab, Smoke wasn't ready yet) and whoever his teammate would wind up being week in and week out.thrown in the added races, all of which being right up his alley (a 2nd New Hampshire date, he almost won the first ever race there, his last race, and was outstanding on the smaller flat tracks like Richmond and Phoenix, plus big horsepower tracks like California, Texas, Vegas, and Homestead, all of which scream Robert Yates horsepower) and I see big win totals. 1089. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.31.2013 - 4:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Larry McReynolds is predicting a new track record at Dover. Can you imagine them going FASTER than 161 mph there when the racing is already the worst in NASCAR at 158 mph? 1090. cjs3872 posted: 05.31.2013 - 10:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And DSFF, that was another point I was making when I was giving Davey a 3-win per year average every year from 1993-2011, and as you said, that might have been a low estimate, and that's why I predicted he would retire with a higher win total than his father, because he was just entering is prime when he was killed, as evidenced by the back-to-back 5-win seasons in 1991 and '92, and he probably would have won more than 5 races in '92, as well as running away with the championship, if it weren't for a series of crashes he had during the middle part of that season. 1993 didn't start out well for him because the Fords were at such a disadvantage during the first half of that season, as they only won three times, once on a short track (Davey's win at Richmond), once on a road course (Geoff Bodine at Sonoma), and a fuel mileage win at Atlanta, but they turned it on during the second half of the season, something that was certainly helped by the fact that Richard Childress scaled it back with a 300+ point lead during almost the entire summer, but you knew that Ford wouldn't struggle like that the entire year. 1091. Baker posted: 05.31.2013 - 10:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't believe so many people argree with me that Davey Allison would have been an 80+ win driver if he were not taken so soon. I usually get flammed a bit and accused of being a homer with my opion that Davey would have had 3+ championships and 80+ wins while Gordon would have had 2 max and 40-60 wins instead. Another thing to consider though is that Tim Richmond was done as an elite driver due to his illness in 1987 when Davey was just getting started. If it were not for Richmond's aides he would have also eaten into Davey's win total a bit, but also taken some of Gordon, Elliott, and Wallace's wins and even Dale Earnhardts wins as he was the only driver no affraid to back down from Big E. 1092. Paul posted: 05.31.2013 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think you guys are overrating Davey's future accomplishments had he been able to live out a full career. I think he could have had a Bill Elliott-like career (minus those wasted years from '95-'00), where he could have won 45-60 races and 1-3 championships. The Fords were only the best manufacturer in the sport in '92 (when he lost the title), and '97-'02. Ernie Irvan was on his way to a 2nd place points finish before his injury in 1994, and I don't think Davey was any more talented than Ernie to where he would have run Dale down that year. Then from 1997 to 2002, the only seasons where I can see him winning the title are 1997, 1999, and 2002. I say 1997 because DJ and Mark lost the title by 14 and 29 points, respectively, and Davey was arguably superior to both of them talent-wise to be able to shake off that 14-point deficit. And since Dale Jarrett won the title in '99, and since it's possible that he wouldn't even be at RYR then had Davey not been killed and Ernie not been injured, Davey likely would have won that title. And in 2002, it's possible that he would have done what Mark couldn't do, which was run down Tony Stewart for the title. I don't think he would have beaten Jeff Gordon for the title in '98 or '01, as I just feel Jeff was too strong in both of those years, and the same goes for 2000, with Bobby Labonte and Dale Earnhardt destined to finish 1-2. Then again, who knows if he would have won any championships. The Roush/Yates Fords always seemed to fold down the stretch (Ex. 1990, 1992, 1998, 2001, 2002), whether it be because the team got too conservative, the drivers just got worn out by trying to beat a superior driver, or if the driver/team choked. Davey had six finishes of 26th or worse in 1992, including three DNFs, and all six of those finishes involved him crashing. And that was the year when most of the GM teams sucked. Would he and his team been able to seal the deal on the championship in the late '90s and early '00s when the GM teams were very strong (though not as strong as the Ford Tauruses)? I'm skeptical about that, because he should have won the title in '92, as he was on the strongest team, going up against a driver/owner and a past-its-prime/burned out Junior Johnson team. And despite being on the best team, being arguably the most talented driver among those three teams, leading the points for 17 of 29 races, being tied for the most Cup wins, and leading the series in top fives and laps led, he lost the title. Would he have been able to overcome he and his team's shortcomings in '92 over the next decade when he had stiffer competition from other manufacturers at the top of the leaderboard? I'm just not so sure about that. 1093. cjs3872 posted: 05.31.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Paul, you said that Bill Elliott had six wasted years from 1995-2000. Even with that, as well as shallow years from 1990-94, except for 1992, he still won 44 races, so how can you say that we've been overrating what Davey might have accomplished. First, he was a better driver than Ernie Irvan was and had better schooling. Ernie had only one great year, 1994, and that was cut short due to the tire war, but Davey Allison already had produced two great years, in 1991 and '92, and I think may have been about to do the same thing in 1993 that he did in '91, which was to have a big late-season rally. And I doubt he would have thrown away his career like Ernie Irvan did, because Irvan got involved in stuff off the track that Allison never would have gotten into. No, I think Davey would have unquestionably joined his father in the top 10 winners of all-time, and probably the top five, considering he already had 19 wins by the age of 32, and 32 years old for a NASCAR driver back then is like 24 or 25 is now. For instance, Dale Earnhardt didn't get his 19th win until he was 35 (in 1986), and he ended winning 57 more races, for a total of 76. I don't think there's any question that Allison was capable doing the same thing, or even better. 1094. murb posted: 05.31.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I feel like had Davey lived, he would have put up Jimmie Johnson-esque numbers. Maybe not 5 straight championships, but definitely 60+ wins and at least a couple titles. The only thing that would have been different of course is that Davey most likely would have stayed humble the whole time and not let it get to his head. 1095. Sean posted: 05.31.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hot off the presses!! J.R. Hildebrand has been fired by Panther Racing after a god awful Indy 500 and an overall lackluster season so far. Shame too, he's a great kid and a talented driver." I like him, but I don't think he's talented, at least by today's standards (certainly, he'd be capable of WINNING in the early years of the IRL when the CART guys weren't competing). He has only even sniffed the lead in two races (the 2011 Indy 500, where he crashed while leading and was only really up there because of fuel mileage - Dixon, Kanaan, Wheldon, Rahal, Servia, etc... were the drivers actually competitive in the race, and Fontana last year, where he ALSO crashed while leading). He has a few good road course and street course results, but usually only 5th or 7th place finishes when he was nowhere near that competitive and mostly just avoided carnage. Now add in Hildebrand driving over Will Power's car UNDER CAUTION at St. Petersburg (after illegally passing Simona de Silvestro under caution for no apparent reason) and finishing last at Indy (with a visible groan from the National Guard members), Servia being dropped due to lack of sponsorship after Indy (and much superior), and Panther's lack of loyalty towards almost all their drivers (they supposedly never paid Dan Wheldon when he was driving for them and fired him for not winning when NO ONE has won for that team since 2005...it was poetic justice when he inherited the lead from the Panther car in 2011 winning for a part-time team, especially since Bryan Herta is much more likable than John Barnes). At the time he was fired, I think Hildebrand was quite possibly the worst paid driver in IndyCar (non-ride-buyer), at least at that point. He seemed to have potential in 2011 and after Indy I was more excited by him than I was by Hinchcliffe. Hinch was the real talent. Clearly. Then again, what I'm reminded of is Brian Vickers in 2011. He was running into everything in sight constantly at the end of that season and cleaned up his act and was suddenly wildly competitive in 2012. I don't doubt that Panther probably had some engineering issues and Hildebrand was probably over-driving the cars to milk more speed out of them. That only works if you actually sometimes run up front though (Ernie Irvan). If it doesn't, you look more like Jimmy Spencer or Brian Vickers. Now I certainly like Hildebrand more than Spencer or Vickers. But Hildebrand has clearly proven to be the epitome of 'nerdy klutz', which I can relate to, being one myself. I like the idea of a nerdy klutz in big-league auto racing, and thought it was cool this guy with a National Merit Scholarship who got accepted by MIT but turned it down to go racing was freaking awesome, but I haven't seen talent, except his Indy Lights title, which wasn't worth a whole lot...although more than an Indy Lights title would be worth today. Well, maybe not, I was wrong about Carlos Munoz and his Indy 500 performance was more reminiscent of JPM and less reminiscent of Roberto Guerrero, and he certainly blows Sebastian Saavedra out of the water. I know, I should be comparing him to the entire field, not just Colombians. Hildebrand has already signed with a Formula Drift team for the rest of this season. That series has been gaining popularity in recent years and it's possible he might have a higher profile from it than he does in IndyCar, since it wouldn't take much for Formula Drift events (if they're even televised, which I don't know) to get higher ratings than the IndyCar races on NBC Sports. "Long-term, I'm sure than National Guard will want an American driver, but there really aren't a lot of choices, although Bryan Clauson or Conor Daly would both do well with the team." Don't count on it. They had career-winless Brazilian Vitor Meira there, then Brit Dan Wheldon, solely due to their popularity. But I bet the National Guard members were happier to see those drivers (who made fewer mistakes and weren't nerdy klutzes who drove over Will Power's car under caution on a street course) in the car than an American who had 3 really, REALLY dumb crashes in his last 6 races. Buddy Rice would be my first choice as far as Americans go (and I can't understand how he keeps not even getting rides for Indy - it does seem he's been too choosy lately for a part-time driver, but given the early IRL's all-American mindset, it does seem hypocritical this American Indy 500 winner who still seems to have years of racing vitality left has just completely fallen off the map. Having said that, Ryan Briscoe and Oriol Servia are both TODAY better drivers than Rice, although Briscoe has never excited me. Bryan Clauson's Indy 500 performance last year impressed me about as much as J.R. Hildebrand's performance this year, which is to say not at all. I know people want to see USAC guys in IndyCar again, and I wanted to see Clauson do well myself, but he proved to be way out of his league IMO last year, crashing in qualifying and in the race itself. And in Indy Lights, career road racer Josef Newgarden beat career oval racer Bryan Clauson in every OVAL race when they were teammates in theoretically identical equipment (Newgarden LAPPED THE FIELD in a 100-lap race at Loudon). Newgarden also usually bested Conor Daly on the road races. Newgarden is also proving to market himself just as effectively as Hinchcliffe (his Harlem Shake on the yard of bricks? Hilarious!) Now, I love Sarah Fisher and can't stand John Barnes, but Panther would probably be seen as a step up from her team, and maybe Newgarden is the next driver Panther should look at for next season. I hope Newgarden turns them down, however, since Panther treats all its drivers like shit, and I find Sarah Fisher's team much easier to root for. To hire Dan Wheldon and not even pay him? Yuck... I'm not going to repeat all my arguments about Davey here in full, but I still think Ernie Irvan was a better driver than him (as were Harry Gant and Mark Martin), Davey was going to go on to a Mark Martin-like career, not a Jeff Gordon career, and I'm not sure I even think he would have taken a title from Gordon (I think 1999 is the only title I see him winning, and maybe not even that one, since Todd Parrott is clearly better than Larry McReynolds and it's not guaranteed they would have hired Parrott - or even gone to two teams - had Davey not died, although somebody disputed that here in the past). And I think projections that he would have won 3 races a year from 1994-2011 are laughably excessive. That's freaking historic from anyone, and at a higher level than Davey was capable of, based on his 1987-1990 seasons. I'm more inclined to believe someone like Tim Richmond winning 3 races a year over an extended period than Davey Allison. 1096. murb posted: 05.31.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would have much rather seen Oriol Servia in the Panther Racing 4 car than Ryan Briscoe. I think Briscoe is WAY overrated, and I also think Servia is WAY underrated. I also just read that AJ Allmendinger will be driving the Penske NNS 22 car at Road America this year. That's pretty cool. Hopefully he can pick up a well deserved Nascar win. 1097. Sean posted: 05.31.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I would have much rather seen Oriol Servia in the Panther Racing 4 car than Ryan Briscoe. I think Briscoe is WAY overrated, and I also think Servia is WAY underrated." Oh, totally. Servia is the 2nd most underrated driver in IndyCar (Justin Wilson is the most...I'd like to say Bourdais but he's been horrible lately), and Briscoe is just dull and bland. Better than Hildebrand, but not that great, and his 2009 IRL title choke was epically pathetic. Having said that, one rumor is that it's just Briscoe for this weekend and Servia for the rest of the season. That's what I'm hoping for. I do think Servia > Briscoe >>>>>> Hildebrand. 1098. NicoRosbergFan posted: 05.31.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unfortunately, murb, we aren't discussing whether drivers had the attitude of a champion, because if we did we would have to throw out Kurt Busch, Johnson, Stewart, etc 1099. 83andJoe posted: 05.31.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Supposedly there are legal issues taking time to resolve with regards to the dissolving of the Panther-DRR partnership with the latter team biting the dust after Indy, and that is why Servia was unavailable to replace Hildebrand this weekend, but he is expected to be in the car for the remainder of the season starting at the next race. 1100. 83andJoe posted: 05.31.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In other IndyCar news, Mike Conroy has replaced Ana Beatriz in Dale Coyne's #18 at Detroit, as Beatriz has run out of sponsorship. 1101. 83andJoe posted: 05.31.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ...Mike ConWAY, of course. I need a Mountain Dew... 1102. David posted: 05.31.2013 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But Hildebrand has clearly proven to be the epitome of 'nerdy klutz', which I can relate to, being one myself. I like the idea of a nerdy klutz in big-league auto racing, and thought it was cool this guy with a National Merit Scholarship who got accepted by MIT but turned it down to go racing was freaking awesome" NERD POWER!!! NERDS UNITE!! 1103. Baker posted: 05.31.2013 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, what exactly is the attitude of a champion if you are tossing out Tony Stewart? Obviously whatever attitude he has works for winning championships as he has done it in every series he races in including multiple in many of those series. 1104. The Long Shot posted: 06.26.2013 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Withdrew: none 1105. Anonymous posted: 01.16.2014 - 10:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Turble wreck".No DW, it really wasn't. 1106. 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Harvick winning 23 races in 13 years for RCR is really impressive considering they were behind Hendrick, Roush, Gibbs, Penske, and even Evernham for about all of those years. He was kind of hard to tolerate early in his career, but he was just fighting for space. His aggression has helped him a lot. I'm glad I didn't give up on him. I know Dale Sr. would be proud that he was the driver that took his place in his car. He's a Legend. 1108. Rich posted: 12.19.2020 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds and Darrell Waltrip were the commentators. Steve Byrnes, Matt Yocum and Krista Voda were the pit road reporters. Jeff Hammond was the roving reporter. Chris Myers and Michael Waltrip were in the Hollywood hotel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: