|| *Comments on the 2013 Quicken Loans 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. Anthony posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (15) (44) Jeff Gordon 18-1 He starts 29th Go 24! 2. murb posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looking forward to this race. Hopefully it will be quite a bit better than Pocono. I think I'll be picking Kurt Busch to win this one. He's got to pick one up sooner or later. 3. Anthony posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor Bayne 500-1???????? 4. Neal posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Another fine qualifying run from Queen Hype Machine. 5. The Long Shot posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Austin Dillon gives Joe Falk's 33 car a Top 10 qualifying run. Now if only he could find that speed in actual races... 6. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Nice lap by Bobby Labonte in the #51 car, meanwhile the Dinger was 32nd in the #47 car. That shows that the problem with the #47 is not the driver. 7. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) The #48 team doesn't even know how to shit in the toilets right here and that STILL are the favorites. 8. Paul posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Austin Dillon gives Joe Falk's 33 car a Top 10 qualifying run." Nah, it's an RCR car. 9. 18fan posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 48 team has dominated a few races at Michigan and got beat on fuel mileage and had the race won here last August before blowing up with 5 laps to go while leading. 10. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) The Baroness looked plain scared in qualifying. 11. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, nice to see the track is already aging a bit after just one year. Despite this new car which has been obliterating qualifying records all year, they couldn't match last year's speeds in The Flying Brick. Obviously it isn't Rockingham or Old Darlington, but it bodes well for the track's future. 12. Kenny posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I'm looking foreword to this race :) 13. ch posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nah, it's an RCR car. " It's still technically one of Falk's since they are using his points, but it was fully prepared by RCR. 14. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (5) (6) Lol, looks like Brad has made Rick Hendrick and JGR (in reality Toyota, JGR is TRD's right arm) mad with some comments yesterday. They each had to put out press releases criticizing him. Usually I can't stand blowhards, but when they run their traps out against the same people I dislike, I suddenly enjoy their "candor". Go Brad! 15. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.14.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) What do you have against JGR DSFF, Hendrick I can understand but Joe Gibbs seems likes a pretty stand up guy. 16. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 06.14.2013 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) Brad needs to shut up he just loves to run his mouth a bit too much, to be honest a lot of what Keselowski says is horse shit.And nico rosberg fanJohnson has not achieved the results he deserves at Michigan he should have swept Michigan in 09 with a near perfect driver rating and blew up with the race one the last time we were here.Kahne looks like the man to beat this weekend 17. 18fan posted: 06.14.2013 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kahne looks like the man to beat this weekend" He can almost be picked as the favorite on intermediate tracks every week. However, he has only led 4 races this year, while Matt Kenseth has led 11. Those two teams have seemed to have the most speed this year, with the 48 and 18 right behind them. 18. 83andJoe posted: 06.14.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Austin Dillon gives Joe Falk's 33 car a Top 10 qualifying run. As Paul pointed out, that's a 99.9% RCR car (the other 0.1% is Falk's John Hancock on the entry blank). It really should be listed on the site as owned by Richard Childress when Dillon runs it. Amusing incident in the ARCA race: Phil Parsons, trying to talk to Grant Enfinger under caution, had a radio wire get crossed and start talking to Enfinger's teammate, Buster Graham, without realising it. When Graham pointed out they weren't talking to Enfinger, Parsons' embarassed silence and the hysterical laughter in the background from Parker Kligerman (who had joined the Speed team in the booth for the race) was priceless. 19. cjs3872 posted: 06.14.2013 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anthony (#1), Jeff Gordon should be rated 100-1 to win this race, because he just won't push the car on this kind of a high-speed track where the speeds don't really fall off. Next week at Sonoma, I would put him among my top five favorites, but I would put him between 100-1 and 150-1 to win this race, because to contend for the win this week, a driver has to want to keep his foot on the gas, and at this stage of his career, Gordon no longer has that, which I think was the root of Rusty Wallace's criticism of him last year. Wallace criticized him for his apparent lack of preparation, when in fact it was his unwillingness to keep his foot down that made his car so much slower than his teammates on this kind of track, and it's reared it's ugly head again, as he's 2 MPH slower than his teammates. A top ten finish may be a chore for him this week, due to his unwillingness to keep his foot down, but he should be a factor next week, where his expertise on technical tracks should certainly be to his advantage. 20. 18fan posted: 06.14.2013 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin, who supposedly has a more aggressive engine than his teammates, still qualifies behind them. More proof that I don't think Denny will make the Chase because that team hasn't shown the speed to seriously contend for wins. 21. Dave N. posted: 06.14.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good to see the Wood Bros. Ford in this race, and have a fairly decent qualifying effort. It's a shame that a team as historic as theirs doesn't run a full slate. Also glad to see Bobby Labonte qualify higher in the 51 than Dinger in the 47. Nothing against AJ; more of a shot against JTG-Daugherty. 22. ch posted: 06.14.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @18, There is actually more than just Falk's signature on it. The entire chassis, and engine all have to be registered to Falk weeks in advance in addition to the points. It may previously have been an RCR car, but officially, it is property of Circle Sport (even if they choose to have RCR prepare it). Therefore, since it is his car, the ownership status on the website should be Falk's. 23. cjs3872 posted: 06.14.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dave N., the situation the Wood Brothers found themselves in is due mostly to the mismanagement of Tad Geschickter, one of the co-owners of the #47 car, when he co-owned the Wood Brothers, because that's when that team's fortunes collapsed. And you say it's a shame that the Wood Brothers don't run a full season. Frankly, I don't think they want to, though I suspect they'd like to run more than they do. If fact, they never ran the full season in any of the five years they won the Daytona 500, and the only real big race they won when they ran a full schedule was all the way back in 1987, when Kyle Petty won the Coca-Cola 600 for them. Ford only sponsors them for 12 races plus all the SpeedWeeks events, and that's all they races they run now, because that's all the races they can afford to run. 24. Dave N. posted: 06.14.2013 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, being off the NASCAR grid for a few years, I didn't know about their adverse involvement with JTG. I always thought they ran a full schedule back in the 90s, but maybe I'm wrong. 25. 83andJoe posted: 06.14.2013 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) >It may previously have been an RCR car, but officially, it is property of Circle Sport (even if they choose to have RCR prepare it). The thing is, though, the decal on the front of the car says RCR... 26. Eric posted: 06.14.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dave N., The Wood Brothers ran a full time cup schedule from 1985 to 2007. JTG was involved with the Wood Brothers from 2006 to early 2008 when they were known as St Motorsports. What happened was they split in 2008 from the Wood Brothers, but the damage was done in that small amount of time. Brad Daugherty wasn't part of JTG back in 2006 and wasn't involved with the Wood Brothers either. Brad Bought into St Motorsports before the 2009 season got started. 27. cjs3872 posted: 06.14.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) They did run a full schedule in the 90s, Dave N. In fact, they ran a full schedule annually from 1985-2008. It was in about 2005 or '06 that Tad Geshickter bought into the Wood Brothers, which is when they spiraled downward, even failing to qualify for races they once won routinely, only to be saved by Ford. And of course, for one day, they returned to their old outpost, victory lane in the sport's biggest race, in the 2011 Daytona 500. But actually, their best days as a full-time team were from 1991-'95, as thy were a top ten, and even a top five caliber team with drivers Dale Jarrett and Morgan Shepherd, as each won for them and Shepherd was a constant presence in the top 5-10, nearly finishing in the top five in points in 1994. In fact, the Wood Brothers finished in the top ten in every Daytona 500 from 1991-'96. The Wood Brothers' #21 car was one of only two teams to do that in those six years, the other being the #3 RCR car with Dale Earnhardt. 28. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.14.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) What a joke. Joe Gibbs has more integrity than Roger Penske ever had. Penske/bk: Caught cheating in all forms of Motorsport and in Indycar getting away scotch free like Papa Felon does in NASCAR. 1994 traction control allegations, 2007 Helio unusual wing angle causing odd failure, 2011 early season package, 2013 Helio at Texas. Their (not the other teams that had the SAME CAR) Porsche ALMS Spyder getting ridiculous BOP. Brad should shut up and maybe win a race, although it seems post-Texas (what a coincidence) Penske doesn't have the cars to do so. 29. 18fan posted: 06.14.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shepherd also went into the finale at Atlanta in 1993 5th in points and had a contending car before the engine blew and he ended up 7th in points. 30. JG24FanForever posted: 06.14.2013 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He starts 29th Go 24!" He has 34 Top 5 finishes from a qualifying position of 21st or worse. And an all-time record 25 wins from a qualifying position of 11th or worse. Refuse To Lose!! 31. JG24FanForever posted: 06.14.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon needs just one more Top 5 to tie Big E's record of 35 Top 5's from a qualifying spot of 21st or worse. 32. cjs3872 posted: 06.14.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And he'll probably get both standards at some point, JG24FF. It just won't be this week because he just doesn't seem to want to stand on the gas on a high-speed track where the speeds don't fall off, as is the case at Michigan. To run well at Michigan now, a driver must be able to stand on the gas practically all the way around, and Gordon's at the stage in his career where he's not willing to do that, mainly because of all the heavy crashes he's had since 2006. That happened to Richard Petty, to Darrell Waltrip, to A.J. Foyt, to Rusty Wallace, and now it's happening to Jeff Gordon. Put Gordon on a track, even a high-speed track, where the speed falls off, such as Texas, and he can still compete, as was evident at the race there earlier this year, but at a track that you have to stand on the throttle on and has fast speeds, he has virtually no chance now. As I said, a top ten finish might be stretching it for him this weekend, but next weekend at Sonoma, he'll be one of the big favorites. 33. JG24FanForever posted: 06.14.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "a top ten finish might be stretching it for him this weekend" Gordon started 28th and finished 6th in this event last year. Gordon is enough of a master to pull it off again,because when he qualifies bad he almost always runs great due to his stubborn mentality. 34. Kyle posted: 06.14.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I still don't know the story behind the jtg/wood split. Anyone have any insight? 35. cjs3872 posted: 06.14.2013 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, the difference between this year and last year for Jeff is that, last year, he could be moderately competitive despite his lack of speed because his cars handled well, but this year, his cars lack the handling that can make up for a lack of speed. He ay be better positioned in the championship standings this year as compared to last year, but he's running worse than he did last year. Last year, he could finish between 5th and 10th if he didn't have trouble because of the way his cars handled, but this year, those 5th-10th place finishes are turning into 12th-20th place finishes, if not worse than 20th. Last week was a perfect example. He was never higher than eighth at any time in that race, and finished 12th. The week before at Dover, that's where he seemed destined to finish before a gamble combined with a timely caution gave him a much better finish than he ever should have gotten, because his was a 12th-place car there. But except for the suspension failure at Texas when he had a top-3 car, he hasn't had the freakishly bad luck he had last year, which is why he's positioned much higher in points, but there are guys below him in points that are running much better, and that wasn't the case last year. 36. The Final Gear posted: 06.14.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor Bayne, you have officially won the "Who has the same odds as Danica, yet has much more of a chance to win" this week. Come on down and get your trophy. 37. joey2448 posted: 06.14.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards absolutely nailed his qualifying lap. Kurt Busch was really the only guy left that had anything for Carl. Unfortunately I think what cjs3872 has been saying is true. Gordo just doesn't have that edge to keep his foot on the floor. That edge has been dulled by the numerous vicious accidents that Jeff has endured. BUT perhaps he'll surprise us tomorrow! It looks to me like the cars to beat are the 78 and the 5, and perhaps a notch below them are the 43, 88 and 48. 38. joey2448 posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Also, isn't it funny that Edwards won the pole for the race immediately following the death of a popular NASCAR driver? Just days after Dick Trickle died about a month ago, Carl won the pole for the All-Star race, and now he wins the pole for Michigan. 39. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'd really love to see the 27 team of Paul Menard contend for a victory. They've been so consistent this year, and they are one of the teams who have not won that are most deserving of a win (along with the 43 of Almirola and the 22 of Logano). 40. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And by the way, since you're talking about odds, I'd rather have Josh Wise, J.J. Yeley, or Joe Nemechek as my fantasy option than Danica Patrick on any given week. Yup, that's the truth. 41. Paul posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "isn't it funny that Edwards won the pole for the race immediately following the death of a popular NASCAR driver?" "Funny" would be the last word I would use in that sentence... 42. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Coincidental" might have been a better choice of words, joey. 43. jabber1990 posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) thats why I hate English, "funny" also means ironic..but usually if you say it in that sence its inappropriate 44. joey2448 posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sorry guys, I didn't mean it that way. I meant it's coincidental that Carl won the pole after Dick Trickle died, then won the pole two days after Leffler's unfortunate death. 45. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "thats why I hate English, 'funny' also means ironic..but usually if you say it in that sence its inappropriate" English really is a odd language, and difficult for speakers of other languages to learn. By the way, this thread marks one year since I joined this community. 46. 83andJoe posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "English doesn't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for new vocabulary." 47. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl finally makes it into the Sprint Unlimited, haha. 48. murb posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Trevor Bayne, you have officially won the "Who has the same odds as Danica, yet has much more of a chance to win" this week. Come on down and get your trophy." lol, This really is becoming a weekly award. It's actually more of a crap shoot than the on-track racing. 49. RACING24/7 posted: 06.15.2013 - 5:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Remember that he struggled at Pocono," CJS you mention that Gordon doesn't like holding the throttle down on the fast tracks and that Pocono now fits in as one of those tracks but Gordon won at Pocono 2 races ago. (responses to the Pocono page) And why is everyone going so crazy about Bobby Labonte qualifying 20th? 20th in nothing special. Plus this isn't Formula 1 qualifying isn't that important in NASCAR IMO. Wasn't it like the last time 2 drivers in a row won the race from the pole was in something like 1981? "I don't know if Bobby is interested in owning or co-owning a Cup team, but wouldn't it be something if he were to buy Finch's team?" I remember his brother Terry owned a cup team for a few races a year ago. Wasn't the team called Stavola-Labonte racing? Both of then obviously want to stay to stay in the sport so I could see it happening. Maybe his brother would help out. 50. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.15.2013 - 6:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sadly, I agree that Jeff doesn't go fast enough on the big ovals. However, being the absolute last priority at Hendrick isn't helping either. I still think he can get a good top-5 or top-10. If there are early cautions followed 80 laps of green to end, Jeff could still realistically pull this off so long as he has the horsepower, which unfortunately seems to be the problem right now because Jeff has no fear of qualifying fast. 51. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.15.2013 - 6:48 am Rate this comment: (4) (4) I almost cried looking at the comments on Jason Leffler. I am going to lead the faction, it seems. Webmaster, please get rid of the thumbs up/down feature. It has been turned into a tool for trolls to hate on NASCAR and get a sadistic laugh out of this terrible tragedy. People thumbs downed Paul's comment and that was an extremely poignant eulogy. Please don't let this continue because people wish to use this feature to hurt the hearts of those of us who are saddened at this time. 52. Dave N. posted: 06.15.2013 - 7:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks guys, for that refresher on the Wood Brothers. I do remember Morgan Shepherd doing well for them back in the day, and I remember Dale Jarrett getting his first win (at 'Michigan, I believe) driving the 21. I've been away from NASCAR far too long; I have a lot of catching up to do. 53. cjs3872 posted: 06.15.2013 - 9:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @49, the only reason Gordon won that race at Pocono was because he got pushed by Martin Truex, Jr. on that last restart. that got him in front of Kasey Kahne, who had a much faster car, and when the four cars in front all tangled up, Gordon inherited the lead, and when the caution froze the field in turn one, the race was over because of the tragic storm that soon hit the track. But his car wasn't anywhere near fast enough to win that race, or even contend for the lead in actual racing conditions. But it handled well enough for him to get into the top five, which is my entire point about Gordon this season, as compared to last season. Last year, his cars handled better, so his lack of speed didn't matter all that much because he was somewhat competitive. But this year, not only are his cars slow, they're not handling well either. He's higher in the points because he's not had the crazy bad luck that he had last year, but he actually ran better last year. 54. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 10:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have a lot of catching up to do." How long have you been out? 55. Anonymous posted: 06.15.2013 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) I love when people think for some reason, Jeff Gordon is the "last priority" at Hendrick, while for some reason Hendrick's giving all the good stuff and good people to Jimmie Johnson. If Hendrick did have a priority list, Johnson would only be third or fourth because he doesn't have nearly the popularity (and thus money-making ability) of Earnhardt or Gordon (questionable when you compare him to Kahne). This "Hendrick is discriminating against my driver" bullcrap is just the result of people wanting to deny that Johnson's actually a pretty good driver and Gordon's been on a very slow downward progression ever since Evernham left the team. As good as Gordon still is, it would be difficult to make a case that he's still a top 5 driver. And while we're at it, Hendrick's also not discriminating against Earnhardt. In fact, he's shifted the entire organization around several times to try to find a winning combination for him. The problem is that Earnhardt Jr. is NOT his dad. Earnhardt Jr. is a consistent driver who doesn't win much (kind of like a Terry Labonte) and is happy with a 2nd or 3rd place finish. His dad was a little less consistent but would be quite upset with a 2nd or 3rd in most circumstances. His lack of wins isn't because Hendrick wants Johnson to win and not him, and anyone who actually says that is just making excuses so they don't have to admit to themselves that Johnson is a good driver. It's so funny how most NASCAR fans 15-20 years ago hated Gordon, but now they create pointless excuses for his lack of success. 56. cjs3872 posted: 06.15.2013 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anonymous (#55), you must be off your rocker. Certainly Jeff Gordon's a top-5 driver. He may not win like he once did, but he's still an elite-level driver. Just look at where he's had his best runs, and that will prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's still an elite-level driver. Martinsville, Darlington, and Texas (until his suspension broke). Those are among the toughest tracks on the circuit, and yet he's still a front runner on them. It's the high speed tracks that may not require the technical skills where he struggles, but put him on a track where it requires more overall skill (like using the brakes, lifting off the throttle, and managing tires), and I'll still take Gordon over a number of the drivers that are up front on the "mash the gas" tracks. 57. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) NicoRosbergFan, here's what I propose: Instead of imitating Youtube's like/dislike feature, we imitate Facebook instead, simply removing the "dislike" portion, so that people who genuinely like the comments can still show that they like them, but trolls like the ones who thumbs-downed Paul's comment can be shut out. 58. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anonymous (#55), you must be off your rocker" HAHAHA!!! That may be the first time I've ever seen that expression used here, and cjs WOULD be the one to use it. Also, NRF gets double points for using the word "poignant". 59. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.15.2013 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (6) (5) I love Rick saying Brad needs to "show some class". When Brad has to miss going to races at the track and championship awards ceremonies because he is under house arrest, then Rick can talk about "class". And since Rick likes dealing in cold hard numbers, let's look at these numbers Rick: Felony convictions; Rick Hendrick: 1 Brad Keselowski: 0 60. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I see the trolls are in full swing today. Anonymous, just to make a point, you don't remember Richmond 2009, when Johnson intentionally wrecked Jeff Gordon... that's where I will end that because that discussion has been gone over time and time again. 61. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) "I love Rick saying Brad needs to "show some class". When Brad has to miss going to races at the track and championship awards ceremonies because he is under house arrest, then Rick can talk about "class". And since Rick likes dealing in cold hard numbers, let's look at these numbers Rick: Felony convictions; Rick Hendrick: 1 Brad Keselowski: 0 " If that doesn't say that Hendrick is one of the most corrupt men in all of professional sports on the global scale, I don't know what does. Few, if any, major sports owners have been convicted of a felony during their time in sports. 62. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Instead of imitating Youtube's like/dislike feature, we imitate Facebook instead, simply removing the "dislike" portion, so that people who genuinely like the comments can still show that they like them, but trolls like the ones who thumbs-downed Paul's comment can be shut out." That's fair enough. And the brilliant satire comments still get to be thumbed-up. 63. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Trolling... Don't forget IndyCar picks! 64. Anonymous posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What exactly was ricks felony conviction for? 65. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Wow. I just looked back at Leffler's comments page. Paul's comment has been thumbs-upped 20 times (the most I've ever seen on this site), but it has also been thumbs-downed 7 times. Not to mention, most of the comments bashing the trolls have received 5 thumbs down. I'd really love to meet whoever thumbs-downed those comments in a dark alley someday. I would be able to put those 8 years of karate training to good use. 66. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I would be able to put those 8 years of karate training to good use." I think you're bluffing...kidding, just kidding. 67. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think you're bluffing...kidding, just kidding." Is that a challenge? ;) 68. AveryNH posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) Read on jayski.com this morning that every single nationwide and Sprint Cup car will carry a LefTurn sticker in remembrance of Jason. Very fitting tribute. I applaud Nascar and all the teams. 69. jabber1990 posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Few, if any, major sports owners have been convicted of a felony during their time in sports." celebrities are above the law 70. Schroeder51 posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) I wish the trolls who are thumbing down the comments remembering Leffler and offering condolences to his family would have the balls to show themselves. If you think his death is funny and that there is actual comedy value to his death, then at least have the balls to come forward and say so rather than hide behind the thumbs-up and and thumb-down feature and repeatedly thumbs-down heartfelt comments. 71. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) Didn't I say how dumb an idea thumbs up/down comments were? Of course, I was thumbed down when I said that 72. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Is that a challenge?" I wouldn't dream of challenging you. 73. Alex posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (11) (1) I really think everyone should relax about the damn thumbs up / thumbs down. If you really care so much about someone's opinion on a comment, it may be time to re-evaluate yourself. There will be always trolling idiots on the internet. so just ignore the thumbs up / down system and just read what people say. If someone disagrees with something you say, I have no problem with them expressing it. 74. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.15.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) ^What a nutless way of expressing feelings. 75. murb posted: 06.15.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Am I the only one that wishes that we had to sign up to use the site? And also take a basic little quiz to prove that you are more than an ignorant Nascar.com/Yahoo mouth breather? I agree with Alex's comment that there will always be trolls around, but I feel like a system like that would eliminate a lot of the foolishness. And I'm sure most of us who legitimately care about the site and come on here for in depth discussions wouldn't mind doing something like that. 76. We need more Onion posted: 06.15.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hoping for Menard, Kurt and Almirola get solid finishes and maybe a win for one of them. Aric's first one is already a long time coming. 77. jabber1990 posted: 06.15.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I agree with Murb, also that way people can send private messages to each other, not sure what that woudl acomplish, but im sure it'll make sence 78. joey2448 posted: 06.15.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Post #72 -- Lion King 79. Dave N. posted: 06.15.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) David in #54 - about 8-10 years. I was a huge NASCAR fan and started losing interest after Dale Sr. died. Then once my son was born in 2006, I just stopped watching. Now he's into racing, and I took him to his first race in Dover a few weeks ago. I caught the bug again. 80. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ha! You're right, joey. I had forgotten about that. 81. David posted: 06.15.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "about 8-10 years. I was a huge NASCAR fan and started losing interest after Dale Sr. died. Then once my son was born in 2006, I just stopped watching. Now he's into racing, and I took him to his first race in Dover a few weeks ago. I caught the bug again." Hmmm. That's quite a bit of catching up to do. You said previously that he [your son] was a fan of the #48. Was he too upset about the penalty? 82. Scott B posted: 06.15.2013 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What exactly was ricks felony conviction for?" The actual charge he plead guilty to was mail fraud. The actions that led up to it were gifts given as bribes to officials at Honda in order to get bigger allotments of vehicles for his dealership. He was later pardoned by Bill Clinton late in 2000, just before the end of the Presidential term. There was an ironic backlash because it turns out Hendrick had just made a donation to the Clinton Presidential Library. 83. Dave N. posted: 06.15.2013 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David - we left with about 50 laps to go (the heat was getting to him), but he said that if we had stayed, maybe Jimmie wouldn't have messed up. He vowed that we'll stay for the whole race at Richmond. 84. JG24FanForever posted: 06.15.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the only reason Gordon won that race at Pocono was because he got pushed by Martin Truex, Jr. on that last restart." I've watched the camera shot from above the track enough times to tell you that Truex didn't touch Gordon's car anytime before Gordon was ahead of Kahne and Gordon made an outside pass on Kahne to steal what would have been a Kasey Kahne win instead of Gordon winning a record 6th Pocono win from 27th on the grid. He earned the hell out of that win. 85. JG24FanForever posted: 06.15.2013 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Will somebody on here make a list of all of Johnson's unforced error's?? I've been reading how Gordon has given away just 2 races in 21 seasons. But Johnson has given away many more than that in just 12 seasons. I can name a few off the top of my head: 2002 World 600 2008 Chicago 2010 Chicago 2011 Atlanta(Does anyone disagree that he stumbled against Gordon with a better car?) 2012 Late Summer Pocono 86. cjs3872 posted: 06.15.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, I disagree that Jimmie "stumbled" against Gordon in a superior car in that August race at Atlanta in 2011. That was a case of two great drivers racing as hard as they possibly could with worn tires on a worn-out track surface, and Gordon got the better of Johnson on that day. Actually, when they've had equal cars, which is rare these days, Gordon has gotten the better of Johnson more times than not, the one notable exception being the spring race at Martinsville in 2007. But Gordon has finished ahead of Johnson more often in 1-2 finishes than the other way around. And there have also been a number of races that Johnson has given away with pit road speeding penalties, including one to Kyle Busch at Dover a couple of years ago. In fact, he may also have thrown away a chance to win the 2005 Daytona 500, which Gordon won, with a pit road speeding penalty early in that race, because he never got back up front until it was too late. On another note, does anyone think that tomorrow's race might be accident-marred because it looks like the groove is only going to be 1.5-2 lanes wide, judging by the Nationwide race, and at 200 MPH, that could be bad news. That's what caused the first lap incident, as well as the run-in Trevor Bayne had with Paul Menard late. Had the racing groove been wider, that five-car incident on the fist lap certainly wouldn't have happened, and that situation with Bayne and Menard likely wouldn't have resulted in any contact. If you combine the 200 MPH speeds with the narrow racing groove, tomorrow's race could be one of survival, and those that start up front may be the ones battling for victory. Tomorrow's race could end up being "Kahne vs. Kenseth, Part III", based on their starting position and the apparent difficulty passing appears to be with the narrow racing groove. 87. JG24FanForever posted: 06.15.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "That was a case of two great drivers racing as hard as they possibly could with worn tires on a worn-out track surface, and Gordon got the better of Johnson on that day." You're right. "And there have also been a number of races that Johnson has given away with pit road speeding penalties, including one to Kyle Busch at Dover a couple of years ago." Damn,I forgot that Johnson threw away Dover just 2 weeks ago and also the same event just 2 years ago. So far the list of races I can remember: 2002 World 600 2008 Chicago 2010 Chicago 2011 Dover 2012 Pocono 2013 Dover 88. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.15.2013 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, it was Kurt Busch who won when Johnson choked at Dover in 2011. 89. JG24FanForever posted: 06.15.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "it was Kurt Busch who won when Johnson choked at Dover in 2011." He's talking about the Spring race. Which means that Johnson gave away both races that year. Does throwing away so many races and spinning out on your own more than a driver with 9 more seasons of experience hurt your credibility? Not to mention his gigantic season collapses over the last 2 seasons. 90. jabber1990 posted: 06.15.2013 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I dont think Jimmie collapsed in 2011, he just had either an off-year or it just wasn't meant to be his year but yea, he did throw away 2012 speaking of 2012, I think Brad is still suffering from hangover or is still drunk, he honestly thinks hes inestructable and by the time he wakes up it'll be too late but still, Congratulations to Jimmie Johnson for his 2013 Sprint cup title, 91. JG24FanForever posted: 06.15.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson losing it over and over and over again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEM-cnAKhgs 92. jabber1990 posted: 06.15.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and i've heard people say how Leffler drove for Hasss, just wondering...did he drive Tonys car? 93. JG24FanForever posted: 06.15.2013 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I dont think Jimmie collapsed in 2011, he just had either an off-year or it just wasn't meant to be his year" He was 4 points out of the lead after winning at Kansas,and followed up that performance by crashing on his own at Charlotte while running 8th. Followed by a 26th place finish at Talladega. He finished 2nd at Martinsville,despite having assistance from Jeff Gordon. And completed his collapse by finishing 14th at Texas,then 14th at Phoenix,and the he spun on his own at Homestead to finish 32nd. 94. Schroeder51 posted: 06.15.2013 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Leffler drove for Haas some in the Cup Series in '03 and full-time in the Busch Series in '04, so that would be before Tony bought into that team. So the answer to that is "no". 95. The Long Shot posted: 06.15.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and i've heard people say how Leffler drove for Hasss, just wondering...did he drive Tonys car?" If you mean, "Did Leffler ever drive for Tony", then like Schroeder said, the answer is no. If you mean, "Did Leffler drive the same car that Stewart did", the answer is also no. Leffler drove the #0 for Gene Haas back in 2003, and that team is currently the #39, run by Ryan Newman. Stewart's team was initially numbered #60 back in 2003, before switching to #70 in 2006 and finally to #14 in 2009. 96. 18fan posted: 06.15.2013 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie lost to Kyle in the 2010 spring race at Dover when Jimmie sped in the pits. In the 2011 spring race, Jimmie and Carl dominated and they took four tires on the last pit stop and Matt Kenseth and several other guys took two and Jimmie and Carl could not get back to the front and Matt won. Kurt won the fall race in 2011 over Jimmie. 97. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 12:13 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Thanks for clearing that up, 18fan. I knew that Jimmie gave away a race to Kyle Busch at Dover, but thought that was in 2011. But the overall point that I and others have mentioned still stands, and that is that, for a driver of Jimmie Johnson's caliber, he's certainly thrown away quite a number of races with careless mistakes over the years. And on that topic, JG24FF, I can give you two more races to add to your list of sure wins that Jimmie has thrown away with careless mistakes. One came just last year, when he crashed at Kansas with the best car left in the field after Aric Almirola's tire failure. Another was the 2007 fall race at Charlotte, when he had everyone else covered, but needlessly crashed, again by himself, while coming through the field harder than he needed to. For someone that's supposed to be as good as Jimmie undoubtedly is, he's certainly had his share of solo spins and crashes over the years, as well as other unforced errors, such as speeding penalties and restart miscues. Combined with the other races you mentioned, JG24FF, that makes seven or eight races he's blown just by mistakes, and that doesn't even count the races he's lost on fuel mileage. And that's about twice the number of races he's blown in comparison to Jeff Gordon, who's run far more races, and won about 25 more. Johnson seems to be more error-prone than anyone thinks, myself included. 98. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:03 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) I honestly don't know the answer to this, but I think Johnson has more unforced errors than Gordon, Martin, Stewart, and Big E combined; those guys just never gaff up races. 99. jabber1990 posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks Long Shot, thats exactly what I was wondering 100. RaceFanX posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (5) (0) Denny Hamlin and the Joe Gibbs team redid their #11 FedEx Toyota into the team's old 2005 purple-and-white paint scheme overnight before this race as a tribute to the late Jason Leffler. Leffler was the original driver of the FedEx #11 when the team was formed, the team added a LEFturn decal above the windows to further the salute to their fallen former driver. 101. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) NicoRosbergFan, I think you're exaggerating a bit there, but Johnson has thrown more races away than Dale, Sr., Gordon, or Stewart, and he hasn't made nearly as many starts as any of those other drivers. That's one reason I can't, with good conscience, put Johnson ahead of Jeff or Dale, Sr. on my all-time list. Gordon and Dale, Sr. were guys you had to beat because they would not throw races away, while Johnson routinely gives a race or two away each season by making mistakes. Jimmie Johnson at his best rarely raced against Jeff Gordon at his best, but when he did, he usually lost more often than not, and he certainly never raced against the Jeff Gordon that piled up victories at a record rate from 1995-2001. That Jeff Gordon would have had Johnson for breakfast, because he almost never made errors, while Johnson makes them annually. And Dale, Sr. would have got to him and his team in numerous ways, so many that it would have been laughable. On the day of the final round of the U.S. Open golf championship, I think it's a good time to make this analogy. There was one thing that could be counted on, and that is that Jack Nicklaus would NEVER throw away a championship with mistakes. The reason he won so many major championships was that he never made mistakes, and instead let his competition make them. His rivals may beat him, but he would never beat himself. But as great as he is on the track, and he's undoubtedly one of the best ever, Jimmie Johnson beats himself more often than people would believe. 102. RaceFanX posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adding on Hamlin and his team practiced and qualified in their normal black scheme before the last-minute change. 103. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well RaceFanX, again that gives you somewhat of an idea of the kind of person Joe Gibbs is, and why those who drive for him like to do so, because he actually considers his divers to be human beings, instead of tools like other owners do. I don't think there's ever been a driver that's driven for that organization that doesn't have a high level of respect for Joe Gibbs and his family, because he's the ultimate "people person" among the owners, more than even Rick Hendrick and Roger Penske. So it would figure that JGR would be the ones that gave a proper tribute to Jason Leffler, because except for the decals, there really wasn't a major tribute to him from the cars themselves, at least from what I saw. But once again, Joe Gibbs shows his true character by going with the throwback paint scheme to honor Leffler. As I said before, the fact that he didn't accomplish very much for Gibbs is unimportant, but what is important is that he's being honored by the team, and it's being done in true Joe Gibbs fashion, with class. 104. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In my opinion, the leffler scheme is better than Hamlin's current one. A little ways up there, someone posted about signing up for the site. That would be a cool idea. I would like for any of the top 10 except for Kenseth and KyBusch to win. Not too many races like that. Based on the lineup and the NWide race, should be interesting. Scott Riggs and Denny Hamlin qualify the same as their number, not good for Riggs. 105. Alex posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (6) (0) Hamlin should stick with that older scheme for the rest of the year. 106. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:49 am Rate this comment: (4) (0) The FedEx scheme: http://www.jayski.com/news/schemes/2013/story/_/page/2013-NASCAR-Sprint-Cup-11-Team-Schemes I'm really glad to see Denny and JGR do this. I always liked that scheme a lot better than the black one Denny has been running since 2006. I remember FedEx Ground selling promo 1:64 scale diecast cars of the Ground scheme back in '05. I still have mine. 107. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) Jimmie Johnson just said in his MRN interview that between Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, and himself, Stewart is the closest to winning at all the active tracks. YOU... ...IDIOT!! Jeff Gordon has won at EVERY SINGLE TRACK he has raced on in the Cup Series EXCEPT for Kentucky, including Rockingham and North Wilkesboro. Johnson should know that, being his teammate for ONLY TWELVE YEARS. Not only has Stewart not won at either Kentucky or Darlington, he ALSO did not win at Rockingham, which is long gone from the Cup schedule. And Johnson himself has not won at Michigan OR Kentucky OR Watkins Glen OR Chicago OR Homestead. AND, he didn't win at Rockingham, either. Sorry for overreacting. 108. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) ... so going by active tracks, he was only off by one track. Wow, what a criminally stupid person he is for making such a simple mistake. I'm pretty sure the drivers don't spend their weekdays on racing-reference looking at stats. The hatred on this site for Johnson is flat out absurd. 109. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, depending on the way the question was worded, he may have simply forgot about Kentucky and thought Gordon had already won at every track, in which case he wouldn't be "close," he would have already achieved it. Either way, it's a simple mistake and certainly not worth whining about. 110. AveryNH posted: 06.16.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Not gonna lie, I got a little choked up seeing the redone paint scheme. What an absolutely awesome tribute by Gibbs and Denny. Hats off! 111. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "... so going by active tracks, he was only off by one track. Wow, what a criminally stupid person he is for making such a simple mistake. I'm pretty sure the drivers don't spend their weekdays on racing-reference looking at stats." You'd think that being Jeff's teammate for over a decade, he would know what tracks he won at. especially since Jeff won at Homestead last year, which brought this subject to light. "The hatred on this site for Johnson is flat out absurd." I don't hate him, but I don't particularly like him, either. I think hating NASCAR drivers is a waste of hate. And I did overreact, so again, I apologize. Jason Leffler numerology time: Leffler was most well-known for his time in the #38. What is 3+8? 11, which was the number of his most prominent ride in Cup. Now what is 1+1? 2, which was the number of the truck he drove to his only victory in the Truck series. Weird. 112. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Either way, it's a simple mistake and certainly not worth whining about." Okay, you're right. So calling him an idiot was overdoing it. 113. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, what I think Johnson my be insinuating is that Tony Stewart is more likely to win at both Darlington and Kentucky than Gordon ever is likely to win at Kentucky, which says something about the state of the teams at Hendrick Motorsports than anything else. Johnson knows that Gordon's never going to be a threat to win at Kentucky as long as both he and his crew chief Chad Knaus and Kasey Kahne and his crew chef Kenny Francis are paired together for the 48 and 5 teams, respectively. Johnson knows that Gordon has won at all but one track, but he also knows that Gordon's never going to be a serious threat to win at Kentucky. That's the main reason he thinks that Stewart's got the best chance at getting victories at every track, though I don't think either's going to make it. As long as the situation at HMS is the way it is now, Gordon's never going to be a serious threat at the kinds of tracks that Kentucky is, which is a high-speed 1.5 mile track. 114. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "I don't hate him, but I don't particularly like him, either. I think hating NASCAR drivers is a waste of hate." Not to mention, but in the past week we've seen how quickly a NASCAR driver can be taken away from us. Therefore, I find it hard for a person to really hate a driver, especially since they are risking their lives every time they get into a race car. 115. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hmm, I didn't think of it that way, cjs. I'd have to listen to it again, but that's not the impression I got from his interview. 116. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There will be a competition caution at lap 20. NASCAR probably is using the overnight rain as the reason. 117. Karn Evil 9 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Trevor Bayne's won this week's award for having the same odds as Danica. Also I'm kinda interested in seeing what A.J. can do in the #47. 118. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I too was happy to see the FedEx scheme. 119. Karn Evil 9 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looks like Kurt just punted Carl. 120. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NOOOOOOO!!!!!! 121. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well, Gordon's gonna finish last today! 122. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon has no luck at all. Though break for Bobby Labonte too, it just broke loss on him. 123. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry guys. 124. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look for him to drop 8-9 spots in points... 125. SpeedWorld posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon's done. He's out of the car. 126. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) I think this DNF is pivotal in Gordon's down spiraling career. 127. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I actually think if Jeff could improve, he could have bad luck. He currently has no luck AT ALL. DADGUM IT!!! 128. Pentagon posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff's streak of bad luck continues. 129. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) damn, Damn, DAMN! You stupid moron Labonte! This is how you repay Finch for giving you a ride, by taking out his engine suppliers scapegoat!? Oh... nevermind... Chad's probably having a Jack Daniels to celebrate... 130. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Absolutely, 18fan. They can't risk the drivers going into the corners at 210-215 MPH on the track where the rubber's been washed off, because they can't risk a tire blowing at those speeds. That's the main reason for those competition cautions. This goes back to the spring race at Atlanta all the way back in 1992 when the radial tire was first used there. That weekend, they were having iffy weather, and competitors were blistering tires, so NASCAR threw about three competition cautions s the team could change the tires, a move applauded by the ABC commentating team of Paul Page, Benny Parsons, and Bobby Unser. One such tire problem sent Ken Schrader into the wall early in the race, and a number of other teams were blistering rear tires, so during a green flag run, NASCAR told the teams that they would throw a caution on about lap 85 to allow teams to change the tires, and they did the same things about two or three more times in that race. It wasn't until the latter stages of that race that there were green flag pit stops, and sure enough, Mike Wallace crashed in Dick Moroso's car during that series of pit stops. NASCAR now routinely does this at least once when they race on a track that has had all the rubber washed away by rain, purely as a safety precaution. 131. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As NASACASM posted on twitter the only person to beat Kurt Busch this weekend is himself and he almost did the very first turn of the race 132. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon is NOT making the Chase this year. 133. Kenny posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dude client 134. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) We are gonna have to redefine "snakebit" as it pertains to NASCAR. How bad is Gordon's luck? I was watching all throughout the 90's as he lived in victory lane, and I feel bad for him now. 135. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I will add... Jimmie would have a Jack to celebrate too, but then NASCAR would throw him out of the car. 136. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This would be Jeff's fifth career last place finish, right? 137. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone has put the malocchia on my poor, poor Jeffie. 138. Paul posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Look for him to drop 8-9 spots in points..." As of right now he is 16th in the points, so he's only lost five positions since the start of the race. A win at Sonoma or Daytona in the next couple of weeks will make up for whatever terrible finish he ends up with today and put him back in the Chase hunt. Can't watch the race today because I'll be at my sister's grad party all day. I'll check in from time to time on this page and on NASCAR.com's leaderboard just to see how everyone's running. Just based on the current running order, I'll be pulling for Kurt, Menard, Montoya, and Almirola to have good runs, preferably with Kurt getting the win today. Also hoping that Denny can lead some laps and get a solid finish with that FedEx retro paint scheme on his car in honor of Jason Leffler. 139. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This incident goes back to the fact that the groove at Michigan is narrow. The same thing happened on the first lap in yesterday's race because guys were getting loose under other cars because the groove is simply not wide enough. I had a feeling something like that would happen, and it won't be the only time. Remember the incident in yesterday's race was actually two separate incidents at the same time, and this apparently was also the case here. You just can't race at these speeds on a track with such a narrow groove. I predicted this might be a crash-marred affair, and it looks like it's starting that way. The problem with Jeff Gordon was self-inflicted by the fact that he just won't go fact in qualifying any more, and any time you're back in the field on the start, something like that can happen. 140. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Being a present-day Jeff Gordon fan is so hard... I guess I'll pull for Hamlin, now. 141. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Is your sister graduating high school or college? Either way, a party's a bit excessive, but I'm a prude... 142. Pentagon posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition caution... 143. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition yellow... see how the 78 team screws this up. 144. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This would be his 4th, Schroeder. His other 3 were 1997 at Atlanta, 1999 at Texas, and 2008 at Texas. 145. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It seems like each and every year gets harder to watch as a Gordon fan... Watch, knowing the way his luck's going, he'll be struggling to make the top 20 in points next year. 146. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, I forgot about Atlanta in '97...Actually, this would be his sixth since he swept last place at North Wilkesboro in '93. 147. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle will start at the tail end of the field after passing Tony Stewart on pit road. 148. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You are correct, Schroeder. My mistake. If Gordon returns to the track and Labonte does not, it would be Labonte's 12th last-place finish, and his first since 2010 at Martinsville. 149. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It would be Gordon's luck if he actually returned to the race track and promptly crashed it a second time. 150. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Logano's #22 on TNT's ticker looks like the old Bill Davis #22. 151. Pentagon posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh no, Kurt! 152. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And just like that, Kurt Busch is done. Yep, it's gonna be a crashfest today... 153. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nooooo Kurt!! 154. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt just crashed. 155. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch wrecks!! 156. SpeedWorld posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch spins. 157. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt said it just broke loose, just like Labonte 158. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) I just heard the sounds of people cheering from the grandstands... Good grief, we just had Jason Leffler DIE and people are still ignorantly cheering for wrecks... 159. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) If they are going to cheer, mute the little shits. 160. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Logano's #22 on TNT's ticker looks like the old Bill Davis #22. Thinking the same thing remember last year they had Brads 2 stylized like Childress does 161. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With the high speeds, slick track, and narrow groove, I expect a lot of wrecks today. Not what I wanna see, but that is gonna be the deal it looks like. The lesson, as always, paving tracks ruin everything. 162. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I bet those people don't even know or don't even care that Leffler died. 163. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I just heard the sounds of people cheering from the grandstands..." NASCAR "fans" 164. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sadly there's always gonna be those sorts of "fans" out there, as Roseberg Fan said just mute 'em. 165. A Stereotypical NASCAR Fan (aka Toddler) posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Hur hur hur!! Look at the cars spinning and wrecking! What fun! Har har har!! Uh-oh. Ma, I made doody in my pants again! 166. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I call people who meet the falling criteria "fahns" (note the 'h') People who watch to look glamorous People who claim to root for Dale Jr because they were fans of his father, but didn't really watch until well after Big E's death People who cheer for wrecks People who like Brian France and his idiocies 167. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano to the lead, wouldn't have a problem with him wining today. 168. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really don't see why people root for wrecking... you don't go "Wheeeeee!" when you see a wreck on I-85 in Forsyth County (this one's for you, DSFF!) 169. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell, I even saw fans cheering when Larson went into the catchfence at Daytona. 170. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I remember when I was taking Driver's Ed a few years back, they showed us pictures of the gruesome remains of fatal crash victims to show us what could happen if we weren't couple, and at least a couple of people thought those gruesome photos were either funny or cool...so for all I know there just MIGHT be some sickos who actually WOULD cheer for a wreck on the Interstate if they saw one. 171. joey2448 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So my favorite driver is out on lap 7, and the guy I picked to win in 24over48's game is out on lap 29.....*sigh* 172. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, are we going to break the record for cautions at Michigan today? 173. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for debris off of Kurt Busch's car. 174. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) At least the Fords are actually relevant today. 175. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really don't see why people root for wrecking" Because they like to see DESTRUCTION. These are probably the same people who like to see explosions and buildings blowing up. 176. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since it just happened, does anyone else feel like there should be a penalty when a driver drops a car chunk (as debris) that the team should have taken off in the first place? 177. joey2448 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mmmm...soda cookies! 178. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is WRONG! David, Schroeder, and I are all going strong... that makes ME the old man of the hour. NOOOOOOOOO! 179. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I remember when I was taking Driver's Ed a few years back, they showed us pictures of the gruesome remains of fatal crash victims to show us what could happen if we weren't couple, and at least a couple of people thought those gruesome photos were either funny or cool...so for all I know there just MIGHT be some sickos who actually WOULD cheer for a wreck on the Interstate if they saw one." They'd probably cheer at a plane crash or house fire too, some people are just really lacking in basic human decency. 180. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And joey saves me... whew! 181. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh my God! Danica is running 5th! Maybe she might finally show how truly talented she is and get that win! 182. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OH MY MOTHERF**ING GOD DANICA'S IN THE TOP 5!!! 183. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Honestly, most fans who attend NASCAR races are the pick of the scum of America. I'd rather NASCAR have a small loyal fanbase comprised of TRUE fans than the one it's got now. No wonder people like me are ridiculed for watching NASCAR. 184. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some guys(and one gal) stayed out, this restart should be interesting. 185. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are they cheering or screaming? I never been to NASCAR race, but sometimes when race is very intense and suddenly some big name drivers/cars collide I might even scream at loud to that. It is not that you WANT to see that, but it is that at that point it is just such major blow. Of course in this case they were just cheering because maybe the loathe Kurt and were happy to see him in pitlane with problems. 186. Paul posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Is your sister graduating high school or college?" High school. It's kind of a big deal because she's the last of the grandchildren on both my mom's and dad's sides of the family to graduate from high school. Lovely that Kurt crashes out as well... 187. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I actually need Kyle Busch to do well here today for my EFR Rolling The Dice game. Marco and Lelgano didn't really help me a whole lot yesterday 188. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And BoB resumes her role... 189. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica feels a pleasant breeze as everybody overtakes her... 190. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I get the feeling Johnson and Kahne are going to finish 1-2 in this race... 191. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie Mac and Austin Dillon are holding their own in first and second, impressive especially for Dillon. 192. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I obviously meant to say "careful" in post 170...Why the hell did I say "couple"?! It's a shame McMurray has to pit really soon...it would be nice for him to get back to victory lane. (McMurray is probably my 2nd favorite active driver after Gordon, and he's had even WORSE luck than Gordon over the past couple years.) 193. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #48 to the lead... 194. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seems like this is Hendrick race. 195. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I missed the first 60 laps. First of all, HUGE hats off to JGR and the 11 team. That's just awesome to see that scheme on the race track. Shame to see Gordon and Kurt Busch, two guys that I thought would run well today, pretty much out of it. 196. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Who else thinks we just saw the pass for the win? 197. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love Hendrick dominated races. (Insert massive sarcasm) 198. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon is really impressing me right now. Even though he's off sequence, he's holding his own out there in the 3rd position. And of course, just as I say that, he comes to pit road. 199. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution 200. joey2448 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JAMIE!!! Don't hold up Jimmie! You should know by now that he's entitled to the lead! 201. Anthony posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Hendrick cars 1-2-3 48 5 88 Jeff Gordon is about done not in the chase he sucks more than Kobe Bryant! This #24 team is so dumb that forgot how to win a championship. 202. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Debris caution for The Baroness 203. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex is turning some good laps right now. He could catch Dale Jr. within the next 10 laps or so. (Caution comes out) God freaking dammit!! Note to self: just shut your stupid mouth from now on. 204. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) BoB caution, eh? Great. 205. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where is the Baroness? 206. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I specifically mentioned a dumbass named Anthony in my latest blog... ironic. Shut your death-flap trap. Well, now come NASCAR's team orders... unless something happens, Kahne and June probably will be ordered to stay behind the 48. 207. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If we do have to suffer through a Hendrick win, hopefully it will be Dale Jr. 208. joey2448 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I know we've all bitched about this before, but TNT really has to do something about their abundance of commercials! I really like their coverage, but they are constantly in commercial. They just missed that round of pit stops under yellow! And Hendrick cars are 1,2,3....and 43. 209. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hood up on the #11. Man, this is a battle of attrition. 210. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Baroness of Backmarkers, Danica Patrick. Also known as Panica Slutrick, with engines supplied by Prick Spendrick. 211. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 11 changed shocks. 212. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 11 team changed everything but the driver in that last pit stop. 213. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Could the TNT crew have sounded more asleep on that restart? 214. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie "I Just Did A Mark Martin Restart" Johnson 215. Kyle Petty posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) And they're 43-wide going into Turn 1. 216. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Man, A.J. Allmendinger is running 32nd in JTG equipment, meanwhile he was a top 20 driver in Phoenix Racing equipment. That REALLY shows where JTG is as a team right now. 217. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "And they're 43-wide going into Turn 1." If TNT had SPEED's ticker, they would be. 218. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle, that's incredible. 219. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Android to the lead... 220. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Android to the lead..." At least it's not that other Android. 221. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @216, that reminds me. Since AJ is going to finish about 10 spots ahead of Bobby today, will JTG still try to justify kicking Bobby out of the ride like everyone's been saying all week? 222. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #221 Would NOT be surprised if they pointed to Labonte wrecking as proof that the problem is the driver and not the team. Just like the reason BoB is struggling is NOT the driver. It's the fact that she has a terrible team... 223. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne wrecks 224. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And just like that, the Android is done. 225. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne on fire (thank goodness for TrackPass). 226. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne on fire (thank goodness for TrackPass). 227. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am on satellite feed, no commercials :) 228. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Android malfunctions. 229. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW!! Kahne crashes HARD! 230. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne seems to have about as much luck as Gordon lately... 231. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, he destroyed that car 232. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hendrick 1.2.3 , 100% chance an android wins unless something happens, ouch hard hit for Kahne didnt want to see that even though i dont like him 233. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Damn, Heather Locklear is still hot. 234. TNT Race Broadcast Coordinators posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hey fans, we here at TNT know you love NASCAR, which is why we got back from commercial break #27 on the day to show you Kahne wrecked. Now we got something special for you, MOAR COMMERCIALS! We might even miss the restart again! 235. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forgot to add that I'm glad to see Kasey walk away from that 236. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Superman to the lead. 237. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Kahne crash is another reason they've got to slow these cars down, because he hit the wall hard at about 205 MPH. And besides, how often is it that you have the LEADER blow a tire like that? Usually, it happens to someone further back in the field because the car's not handling. hen the best car in the field has that happen, everyone else has to be on pins and needles, because they know it could happen to them. It could be that the speed of this new car is too much for the tires to take at Michigan, which is something I feared would be the case at the high-speed tracks before the season even started, because I had predicted that blown right front tires would be a problem on this kind of track because they're putting more stress on the tires than the tires can stand, and there's only one way I know of to alleviate that problem, and that's to slow the cars down. 238. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @234 i thought everyone agreed no satire this weekend for Jason? 239. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What happened to Kahne? 240. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nevermind I just caught some of it, glad he's okay cause that was a whopper of a hit. 241. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two invisible drivers today: Keselowski Kyle Busch 242. Bronco posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And besides, how often is it that you have the LEADER blow a tire like that?" The exact same thing happened to Jeff Gordon at Bristol. 243. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, Some of the drivers were reporting that there was debris on the track before Kahne crashed. Denny Hamlin had actually just made a pit stop because he ran over a piece of debris and punctured a right front tire. 244. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, everything important that has happened in this race has happened while I was away. Hard crash for Kasey, glad he's okay. Hopefully this doesn't mean that the OG Android will coast to the win. 245. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jeff Gordon is going to come back out on the track, according to his Twitter. 246. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OG Android? Yes, no satire! 247. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon back out on track. 248. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon will manage to avoid a 43rd place finish today. 249. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Classy interview by Kahne. 250. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The best he could hope for is a 39th place finish. 251. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That may be so, Bronco and 18fan, but it's certainly rare for that to happen to the leader. Either way, everyone else is going to be on pins and needles for the rest of this one because of seeing that, regardless of the reason. Seeing a car go hard into the wall at 205 MPH is going to make everyone nervous on what already is a tense weekend, and it's proof that these cars have got to be slowed down at least 10 MPH. I can remember some commentary during the 1988 Daytona 500 just before Richard Petty's crash, and the subject of speed and safety came up, and the commentators agreed that 185-190 MPH is better than 205, because the competition's better and the cars are safer at those speeds because it takes the edge off some of the risk. NASCAR really needs to slow these cars down, and they may have to look at restrictor plates for tracks like Michigan. Remember that the first race ever run with restrictor plates came at Michigan in 1970, so I think it's time for NASCAR to look into slowing the cars down about 10-15 MPH. 252. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else keep mistaking the #88 for the #98? 253. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else think it would be interesting if they took either Fontana or one of 6000 1.5-mile cookie cutters and flattened them? It would have to be a 300-miler given the slow speeds, but maybe... 254. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anyone else think it would be interesting if they took either Fontana or one of 6000 1.5-mile cookie cutters and flattened them? It would have to be a 300-miler given the slow speeds, but maybe..." I don't know, it would probably just be a longer and even more boring version of Loudon. 255. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least it would get rid of a "cookie-cutter" and turn into something might (big MIGHT) require an ounce of talent. 256. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) June blowing up. 257. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "June blowing up." Wow, really? It's like they want OG Android to win this. 258. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior is blowing up? Dammit, Johnson is going to be the only Hendrick car finishing the race...and he'll probably WIN. 259. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Johnson doesn't have something happen at this point, I call foul play first, before DSFF or cjs. 260. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn it all! 261. Kyle Petty posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) 165 miles per hour? Sounds like Danica's qualifying speed. 262. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dun blow'd up 263. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And there it goes... 264. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Poof. 265. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not going to lie, post #261 made me laugh. 266. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Done. 267. NadeauFan91 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wonderful... Jimmie wins by default now -_- 268. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Man. The 3 slightly less cheating Hendrick drivers can't catch a break, can they? 269. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We feel your pain Steve Latarte, we feel it. 270. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) (Quotes from Star Wars:) Wait, 2 Hendrick drivers wreck and 1 blows an engine? It's a trap! 271. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why was Jimmie 2nd to last off pit road? 272. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano leads. 273. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why was Jimmie 2nd to last off pit road?" Everyone in front of him took two tires. 274. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since it's Michigan, now we must ask... how will Chad f' this one up? Unless he's cheatin' REAL good with some cabbage in NASCAR's pocket? DAMN THE SATIRE! NO SATIRE! *frenzied hair pulling* 275. Bronco posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First Kurt Busch spins, Kahne blows a tire from the lead, then Junior loses his engine. This is not a race that you want to lead until the final laps apparently. 276. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 4 tires wouldn't drop you 19 positions though... 277. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 4 Hendrick cars 3 out your turn Jimmie not a hard crash but just something 278. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah man, I didn't know Bobby got taken out with Jeff too. I missed the first quarter of the race so I didn't see that. Damn it to hell. 279. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "4 tires wouldn't drop you 19 positions though..." EVERYONE in front of him took two. I mean EVERYONE, lol 280. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great top 20 run by Trevor Bayne all day to 281. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 33rd place with 62 to go. I love the tribute scheme they're doing today, but man Denny is nowhere to be found today 282. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As much as I want Denny to make the Chase to show Nascar what a joke their system is, I don't think it will happen unless he gets multiple wins. It's still possible, but I just don't think it will happen. 283. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Classic quote by Dale Jr.: Snider: Is there anything more frustrating than leading the race and having your engine blow up? Junior: Yeah, running in the back and having your engine blow up. 284. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Earnhardt, Jr. blows up again after having something vibrating or rattling in the engine... just like at Charlotte... 285. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And another commercial. Gonna have nightmares... Stewart did a split... 286. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You expect cars to at the front leading to run laps 0.05-0.2 seconds faster than those behind, but did anyone else notice that right before the yellow Jimmie ran a lap 0.9 seconds faster than any other car on track? 287. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Things are getting good up front, so let's go to commercial. 288. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biff! 289. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle to the lead. 290. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ford's emotionless juggernaut to the lead... 291. John Royal posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They need to paint dashed lines to this surface, its stupid how cars traveling 200mph look slow. 292. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) AT+T guy: What's something slow that you wish was fast? Denny Hamlin 293. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bored? Go to YouTube and type in IM DONE WITH NASCAR. 294. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "AT+T guy: What's something slow that you wish was fast?" AT+T 295. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AT&T Internet is terrible. Goes out every 5 minutes. 296. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 2 team is executing as good as ever, they just need speed. 297. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Same car they won with at Kansas? More penalties on the way... 298. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Burton hanging in there in 12th! 299. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie needs a yellow at this point... which will happen? Poll time! a) Hendrick powered car spins/wrecks b) NASCAR throws a phantom yellow c) Nothing, green all the way and Jimmie loses 300. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crap. 301. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McMurray blows a right front. Demmit! 302. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McMurray wrecks! 303. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big Mac is McDone. 304. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was ahead of the game! Not... 305. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well then....... 306. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McMurray's race is ruined. Lots of drivers seem to be having bad luck today. 307. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) McMurray blows a right front. That's a shot to the fun zone. 308. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #299 the correct answer is a. 309. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Nico, nice prediction. It was A, but you can't exactly do that on purpose 310. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sucks for Jamie Mac, he's another driver with no luck. Though breaks for Carl and the Biff, though Biffle may have stayed on the lead lap. 311. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie just won the race. What a shame for Jaime. He had a fast car and he continues to have crappy luck. 312. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "AT+T guy: What's something slow that you wish was fast?" Our computer. Jamie McMurray crashes. 313. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DANICA? 10TH? I think I'm going to die now. 314. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Super slow there, young David. Here's to the Biff, Ford's emotionless juggernaut. 315. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Johnson took two and lost three spots? It was nice knowing you, 48 pit crew. I hope you guys can find jobs elsewhere, hopefully with a crew chief who will treat you like a human being. 316. Bronco posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Heartbreak for McMurray who was poised for a good finish today. He joins Busch, Kahne and Earnhardt Jr as guys who led the race but should have had much better finishes than they got. 317. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Chad's going to kidnap Jeff's pitcrew now. 318. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Didn't somebody earlier say that both Gordon and McMurray have had some of the worst luck this season? 319. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It actually wasn't a terrible stop for the 48. They made sure they packed it full of fuel. 320. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy hell! Danica genuinely in 12th! I said counted as a hack track (albeit one some are too scared *glares at Jeff* to run on)! 321. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Super slow there, young David." No, that time it was me that was slow. 322. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth got loose off of turn two and lost a ton of spots. 323. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What happened to Kenseth, that was a really bad restart by him. 324. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How did Biffle just run a full second quicker? Somethings rotten in some of these cars... 325. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nevermind he got loose. 326. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look at Burton, Danica and Mears in the top 15 327. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sounds like Carl might be having engine problems. 328. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Jimmie Johnson wins this race, I am going to turn into the Incredible Hulk and start smashing things. 329. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Johnson wins this race, I'm going to go on an Ultimate Warrior three state gorilla press slam spree, and Florida, Georgia, and Alabama are BIG states. 330. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jaws music he is coming but will need a caution 331. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just pathetic and depressing how much faster the 48 is than everyone else. This might be NASCAR's worst season yet. 332. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Austin Dillon joins them in the top 15 333. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I'm definitely suspicious of that 48 car... it's too fast. You can't be consistently that much faster in a spec car on a track where the driver has no control without there being something VERY wrong. 334. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Come on Biff! 335. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson to 2nd... You wouldn't like me when I'm angry... 336. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm pretty sure if Jimmie wins this, we should just organize a cross country Racing Reference Ultimate Warrior Gorilla Press Slam Tour. All 50 states. It's gonna be disappointing no matter what. If Biffle wins it's basically only because Jr, Kahne, and now apparently Edwards have all had problems, and if Jimmie wins, Jimmie wins. 337. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I agree Nico, seems odd 338. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That is car, not driver. 339. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Johnson wins this race, you will hear about an explosion that wiped Kansas off the map on the evening news. 340. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Come on Biffle show some balls don't screw up and you got it 341. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Piss off, Johnson! 342. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watch there be a caution in a lap or two that gives Johnson the win. 343. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) JOHNSON BLOWS A TIRE!!!!!! 344. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) OH!!!!!!!!!!!! 345. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bristol or Martinsville, then the speed differential would be plausible, but at a flat-out oval? 346. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Johnson in the wall! 347. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Yes! Hit the wall 48! 348. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmie in the wall. That's all 4 Hendrick cars today 349. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) *whew* 350. Smiff_2 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) YEAH BABY! SEE YA, JIMMIE!!! 351. AveryNH posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie to the wall. On pit road! Thank you racing gods! 352. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) I have the power!!!!!!! 353. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Woo And Hoo 354. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) All the Hendrick cars were jinxed today. 355. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) What a horrible day for Hendrick Motorsports. 356. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now I don't have to turn into the Hulk! 357. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Biffle wins Ford's 1000th race. I'm okay with that. 358. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (7) (7) Also, shame on those of you who just cheered when Jimmie hit the wall. We just lost Jason Leffler 4 days ago and there's already been criticism on here today about people cheering when Kurt wrecked, but it's ok to do it when Jimmie wrecks? 359. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's official. Michigan Hates 48. 360. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good call out, Sky Warrior... shame on me 361. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm at least glad Johnson was not hurt. It's nice to see him lose this race, but it's also nice to see him drive away. 362. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, I only followed live leaderboard, so I thought he just got a flat, but still good call out. 363. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kansas is spared! Ford actually has 1000 wins across all three national series. My previous post was misleading. 364. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congrats to the Biff on getting Ford's 1,000th win in Sprint Cup. 365. Smiff_2 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (6) (3) Dude, nobody was cheering because he wrecked, they were cheering because he suddenly became a (much welcome) non-factor. There was no ill intent with the hurrahs. Jesus, it's one thing to be sensitive, guys, but we're *really* being a little touchy on the whole 'being PC' issue. 366. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who cares about Kansas? Florida, Georgia, and Alabama got spared... that's almost 30,000,000 lives right there. 367. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sky Warrior, I was happy that Johnson had a flat tire. Not that he hit the wall. 368. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *1,000th win in Nascar. Brad K ran out of gas on the last lap and went from 4th to 12th. 369. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sky Warrior, good call out , dumbass me. 370. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie's jimmies were rustled. 371. NadeauFan91 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Sky Warrior, he barely scraped the wall drove away, don't get your panties in a wad. Nice job Bifle on not finishing 2nd for once! 372. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle was better than Edwards all day, and drove off from Carl long before Carl complained of motor problems. Biffle was the best non-Hendrick car today and took advantage of the Hendrick cars having problems. 373. Smiff_2 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) There's a big difference between wishing a crash on someone versus watching someone bow a tire, graze the wall, and then expression pleasure with that. Let's just chill. 374. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) I thought he missed the wall. It wasn't until he was in the pits I realized he scraped it. I haven't had a jump out of my skin excitement out of nowhere moment like that since The '98 Winston (sorry Rainbow Nation, his success at the time was almost as intolerable as JJ's is now). 375. AveryNH posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon came home 11th after Brad ran dry. He was mighty impressive today. 376. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Smiff just nailed it. People were cheering because they don't want to see another 48 win, not because he crashed. I for one am glad that it didn't turn out to be a hard hit like Kahne's was. 377. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Worst Hendrick day since the 2002 EA Sports 500 378. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Who cares about Kansas?" I just said the explosion would have wiped Kansas off the map. I said nothing about damage to other states. Kansas City would have been completely gone, at least. 379. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Whatever asphalt Michigan used to repave the track the others need to use. One year in and the track is already wearing out and widening the grove. Charlotte was re paved in 2006 and it still isn't wearing out that much. 380. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Worst Hendrick day since the 2002 EA Sports 500" Don't forget the 2011 Bank of America 500. Chad actually APOLOGIZED to Jimmie on the radio. Wow. "Austin Dillon came home 11th after Brad ran dry. He was mighty impressive today." Impressiveness is something he's been lacking in all of his Cup starts, until today. 381. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Had I gone Incredible Hulk, half the population of South Carolina would have been gone. 382. BBoy posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, I think it can be said that this race goes under the "unusual" category. It seemed as if nobody wanted to win today, and ALL the Hendrick cars had some sort of problem whether it was a blown tire (Kahne and Jimmie), an engine failure (Junior), or an accident (Gordon). 383. Ryan W posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Probably a good thing for Biffle Jimmie had his problem and Harvick had his vibration or else... 384. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Had DSFF gone Ultimate Warrior, he would be banned from being a paramedic in the US. 385. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For sure the best Cup race I've seen Austin Dillon drive. And you know, it was a solid run by Danica too. I give her credit for not starting a meaningless feud with somebody and tearing up her race car today. Also, shout out to TNT for not showing her on TV every five laps. 386. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Jason Leffler JUST died in a racing wreck, and several people here are STILL orgasmic after seeing someone wreck. Seriously, it doesn't get much more pathetic than that. 387. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Old Rainbow Warrior #24 on TNT's unofficial race results rundown! 388. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) I hate to say this, but A.J. Allmendinger finished 19th in the JTG Daugherty ride, while Bobby Labonte finished dead last. Now all we'll be hearing about is how Labonte is a horrible driver and how Allmendinger saved the team which actually had really good equipment but just had an awful driver behind the wheel. (Pukes in DSFF's Donny Lia bucket) 389. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Kenseth in his street clothes already. lol 390. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Matt is already changed yet again. 391. Zackary Shawn posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "Jason Leffler JUST died in a racing wreck, and several people here are STILL orgasmic after seeing someone wreck. Seriously, it doesn't get much more pathetic than that." That's a bit self righteous. People were cheering because a driver most people don't want to see win had something happen that made him not win. It's also not like a Sprint Cup car and track are the same as a sprint car and track. NASCAR is obviously more professional and has more money to put into safety. People cheer when the opposing quarterback is sacked even though they could be injured, but I don't see NFL fans taking a self righteous position. 392. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jacques Villeneuve is in the cup race at Sonoma, don't miss that race... 393. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) The way Matt changes clothes, maybe HE should get the Superman paint scheme. 394. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Ford is back! 395. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) 391 so if people didn't want to see Leffler win that dirt race, by your logic it was ok for them to cheer? Bro, that makes no sense. A wreck is a wreck, you can't say don't cheer for Leffler but cheering for Johnson "having a problem that caused him to not win," aka wrecking, is ok 396. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "Jason Leffler JUST died in a racing wreck, and several people here are STILL orgasmic after seeing someone wreck. Seriously, it doesn't get much more pathetic than that." First of all, it is terrible to cheer for somebody wrecking. That should never happen. If you want to see wrecks, go to a demo derby or go to a Monster Jam event. You'll find plenty of destruction. Auto racing however is not the place for it. But once again, JIMMIE JUST BARELY TOUCHED THE WALL. If he had suffered a gnarly crash into the wall like Kahne had earlier, then it would be absolutely pathetic to be cheering about it. Like I said before, I'm glad that it didn't turn into that. But with Jimmie's "crash", a lot of people didn't even notice he hit the wall. It was a heat of the moment thing where people were shocked/surprised/happy to see that he wasn't gonna go to victory lane. It's not like people are going, "Hell yeah!!!! Flamin' fenders and torn up race cars!!!! That's what I like to see". And just to clarify before Anonymous people start calling me personally out (because we know how the Anonymous users on here can be), I never "cheered" for Jimmie crashing. I'm just happy that he didn't win because I have a minimal amount of respect for him and absolutely no respect for his crew chief. 397. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Jason Leffler JUST died in a racing wreck, and several people here are STILL orgasmic after seeing someone wreck. Seriously, it doesn't get much more pathetic than that." Have you not been reading?? We just discussed that. 398. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) at post 395 stop hiding behind the shadow of Anonymous and use a real username. 399. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Anyone who posts under the alias of Anonymous is a coward. 400. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmie wasn't going to win, the "I was cheering because something happened to make him not win" argument is crap. 2 laps to go and he wasn't even at Biffle's bumper yet, he wasn't going to win anyway 401. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Yeah, the people who always call others out and trash others ALWAYS hide behind an "Anonymous" mask. It would be nice if these people had the gall to use a name. At least with people who can make incendiary comments like Baker, they actually USE their name... 402. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jimmie wasn't going to win, the "I was cheering because something happened to make him not win" argument is crap. 2 laps to go and he wasn't even at Biffle's bumper yet, he wasn't going to win anyway" Actually, Biffle was kind of having trouble with lapped cars, so I wouldn't have been surprised if Jimmie somehow found a way to win. 403. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) If I were in charge of the country I would use the patriot act to find out where these cowards who hide under the Anonymous masked lived and lock them up in GITMO. 404. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Mark Martin run out of fuel? 405. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jimmie wasn't going to win" You never know with that #48 car... 406. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, be fair to Baker, Schroeder. He's gone a full 2 months without wishing death on anybody. 407. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, was Biffle going to catch any more lap traffic? I can't honestly remember 408. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Martin dropped a cylinder with about 20 laps to go. 409. Chives5150 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darn. Thanks, 18fan. 410. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No Scratch what I said about Imprisoning those Anonymous assholes up In gitmo. I would just turn into the Undertaker find those jackasses wherever they are and BURY THEM ALIVE. 411. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Murb, was Biffle going to catch any more lap traffic? I can't honestly remember" Jimmie made up a ton of ground on him as Biffle was trying to get around the 83 car. And after Jimmie had his problem, Biffle also came up on the 93 car. So to answer your question, yes. There was still plenty of time for Jimmie to get close enough to make Biffle make a mistake with lapped traffic. 412. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jimmie wasn't going to win" Never say never when it comes to the 48 413. NicoRosbergFan Trolling as Biffle16 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Too bad Biffle had to win, instead of Biffle, who really deserved it :( 414. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As I said... Ford's emotionless juggernaut... 415. Sky Warrior posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok. It's obvious the site is divided on this like Republicans and Democrats, so I'm going to drop it and go back to talking racing because arguing on the internet won't bring Leffler back, nor solve anything else. Austin Dillon finished better today than he did in the Nationwide race yesterday, by 9 spots 416. 18fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Due to a miscommunication Martin Truex, Jr did not go to the media center after his 3rd place finish and did his interview by phone. 417. Smiff_2 posted: 06.16.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Regardless of whether Jimmie was going to win or not, his misfortune was made even sweeter for all of us "everybody but the 48" people because he not only was out of contention, but was relegated to a 28th place finish. Thus, bringing the rest of the field a little bit closer to him in the points. Even with the Chase reset, it'd still be nice to hit the end of the regular season with a bunch of guys *already* running close together on top of the point standings (rather than it be a blowout going in and have everything get turned upside down by the reset). At this point, a bad day for Jimmie is a great day for fans who enjoy variety, parity, and evenly matched competition. Let's face it--take Johnson out of the race on any given week and it suddenly becomes 10 times more intriguing. SO when you apply that same notion to the season-long side of it, and you get what we had here today: much rejoicing.....lol 418. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, today's race had to be a embarrassment for Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., because the drivers that finished ahead of him included Austin Dillon, Danica Patrick (huh?), and Trevor Bayne. There's no way that he should be finishing behind those drivers and teams in a Cup race with a full-time, fully backed Roush team. Dillon finished 11th in a part-time RCR effort, Patrick, the slowest driver in NASCAR, finished 13th, and Bayne, in another part-time car, was 15th. Stenhouse was one position below that in 16th. If Greg Biffle had not won the race, this would have been a forgettable day for Roush Racing, because Edwards had engine trouble late and Stenhouse's not being able to run better than Dillon, Patrick, and Bayne, two of which are part-time teams with Bayne's also having a part-time pit crew, and Stenhouse really looked bad today. Now in defense of Dillon, remember that he ran really well in this race last year before an ill-timed pit stop dropped him to a much worse finish than he deserved, but Stenhouse should never be outrun by the #10 or #21 cars, based on the driver of the #10 car and the pit crew of the #21 car. Now for that run at the end of the race, it was inevitable that someone was going to have tire problems because the length of that run was stretching what the teams could run on right side tires before the right front blew out, and Jimmie Johnson just had to be the unlucky victim. We saw that with Kasey Kahne and Jamie McMurray, and then we saw it at the end with Jimmie Johnson. And Kevin Harvick admitted that he was having trouble with a vibration, which leads me to believe that he was about to have a tire blow out on him, and that he had said that he had a vibration more than once during the race. Harvick also said that he felt that the speeds were a cause of the tire problems, and I think other drivers have the same feelings, which tells me that the drivers are even wondering if the speeds have gotten too high. I don't know what the lap speeds were during the race, but I suspect they were in the low-to-mid 190s, which is simply too fast for that track. This race was the first real evidence of the downside to the extreme speeds brought out by this new car, and that they need to be brought down by about 10 MPH. 419. Zackary Shawn posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "391 so if people didn't want to see Leffler win that dirt race, by your logic it was ok for them to cheer? Bro, that makes no sense. A wreck is a wreck, you can't say don't cheer for Leffler but cheering for Johnson "having a problem that caused him to not win," aka wrecking, is ok" The real absurdity is that you are comparing a wreck in a much less safer car on a much less safer track that people nearly instantaneously knew something was wrong, with a much safer car on a much safer track merely hitting the wall and being able to drive it back around to the pits. You have some pretty weak reasoning skills if that comparison genuinely makes sense to you. I would say NFL quarterbacks have just as much of a chance, if not more of a chance, at getting hurt when they get sacked than Johnson did when he hit the wall. Do NFL fans post anonymous, self righteous rants on football sites? 420. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, laps were mostly in the upper and mid 180s. 421. ch posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sponsor Changes: 11 - FedEx Express In Memory of Jason 'Lefturn' Leffler (I feel that the special scheme should be mentioned to commemorate Jason's legacy) 19 - Humphrey Smith Racing 20 - Husky Tools 30 - Swan Energy 422. Scott Bonin posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Look for Joe Falk's Circle Sport #33 team to have another strong run next weekend with Ron Fellows behind the wheel. Could even get the teams first top 5 since 2000 with Todd Bodine. 423. 83andJoe posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NRF, your latest "nickname" for Patrick is not cool man, for the same reasons it wasn't cool when you got raked over the coals for it last year. 424. Anonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) 4th straight top 12 finish for Jeff Burton 425. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (9) (2) To the contrary, this is one of the most unified boards I've ever seen. Racing, sports, music, you name it. Especially when you consider the diversity of personalities here, this is a special board. We are at our best when a troll shows up. We unify quickly and get them sent on their way, all made possible by the KICK ASS webmaster we have here. The trolls quickly realize they are trying to rattle a mountain that ain't gonna move. Then the webmaster cleans up quickly, and if you spend a day or two away from the board, you might not even realize a troll was here. Obviously we are all pretty rattled by Jason's untimely passing. He has been a constant in NASCAR since 2000. It is a sickeningly unsettling feeling when somebody is here, racing in a NASCAR race one weekend, and the next weekend he is gone. Shock, sadness, guilt, and the feeling that this (the race) shouldn't be so important tug at us. And we all grieve differently. So there have been some conflicts this week, especially with the waning laps seeing our most despised driver go from hunting the win to scraping the wall, not a bad incident, but could have been much worse. A perfect storm of emotions, some of rejoicing that something unlucky finally happened to the 48, some of us not wanting to see a single fedner dented today. Yet, honestly, we are still united. We respect each other's emotions. This is a model board. 426. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Sorry if I was acting like an asshole I was just trying to put those Trolls in their place. 427. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.16.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm one of the people who have posted here as "Anonymous" recently. (Believe it or not, all the "Anonymous" comments are not from the same person.) As far as I'm concerned, everyone here is anonymous unless they've put their full name, address, and social security number somewhere, but since it matters that much to you all, I'll use this name anytime I have something to say from now on. With that said, I guarantee if that was Denny Hamlin running the former Jason Leffler scheme, no one would be cheering the crash. Just like no one would be cheering if this site's collective favorite driver, the Mouth of Michigan, crashed. In fact, I'm sure no one here would have cheered if it was any driver other than Johnson or Danica Patrick (she does have a name, you know). But still, hating or disliking a guy/girl is one thing, but we shouldn't be cheering for any of them to wreck, no matter how hard it may look. I certainly didn't think that crash at Daytona in 2001 would have taken Earnhardt's life, especially after seeing the visually much worse accident of Tony Stewart (I think) earlier in the race. NASCAR's top series may be safer than the local series, but all it takes is one part to fail to put any of these drivers' lives in danger at any time. 428. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But still, hating or disliking a guy/girl is one thing, but we shouldn't be cheering for any of them to wreck, no matter how hard it may look. I certainly didn't think that crash at Daytona in 2001 would have taken Earnhardt's life, especially after seeing the visually much worse accident of Tony Stewart (I think) earlier in the race. NASCAR's top series may be safer than the local series, but all it takes is one part to fail to put any of these drivers' lives in danger at any time." Agreed, even a 'minor' hit into the wall can be serious if something fails or it's at the exact wrong place on the car(Mark Martin impaling his car on the end of the pit wall last August comes to mind.) 429. 83andJoe posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #24 status: Handling. Listing as 'crash' when the crash had occured 51 laps before he dropped out is rather (for want of a better term) silly. 'handling' used to be what was always used in official results when a car came out after being repared, ran until it could advance no more, and then parked. 430. JG24FanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Listing as 'crash' when the crash had occured 51 laps before he dropped out is rather (for want of a better term) silly." Unless that's changed by the webmaster this race will be Gordon's 55th career crash-out according to Racing Reference. 431. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) NoLongerAnonymous, first of all, thank you for somewhat going by something other than "Anonymous". It's frustrating for us because there have been numerous cases of Anonymous people coming in, insulting us, and then leaving. So thank you for not doing that and actually making valid comments, even if some people disagree with them. I'm just gonna say my opinion on this thing one more time so everyone can see it. That's it. One more time and then I'm done saying it. People were not cheering because Jimmie crashed. They were cheering because of him having a flat tire and getting knocked out of contention. Most people didn't even notice that he hit the wall until they showed him on pit road with a scraped up side. I can promise you that none of my fellow posters on here would cheer for someone crashing. If someone we don't like is forced out of the race by a blown engine, flat tire, etc, yes, we will probably be happy about it. But once again, I assure you that no one on here is one of those awful human beings that cheer for people wreck. As a matter of fact, if you go read and look at the comments on NicoRosbergFan's latest blog, you'll see that. There. That's all I have to say on this issue anymore. 432. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I assure you that no one on here is one of those awful human beings that cheer for people wreck." Obviously that last phrase should say *for people wrecking*. My bad. 433. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just heard that Rick Hendrick is considering moving Chase Elliott into Nationwide full-time in 2014, with Aaron's as the sponsor. While I love this kid's potential, it's a mistake to bring him up into Nationwide after not even having a full year of Truck experience, just like Turner Motorsports did with Kyle Larson this year. 434. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Believe it or not, all the "Anonymous" comments are not from the same person." No fooling? That's exactly our point. When someone comments anonymously, it seems a little bit cowardly, and it's a double whammy when there's more than one "Anonymous" on the board, and we can't tell which is which. So, thank you for using something other than just plain "Anonymous". 435. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon ranked dead last in Driver Rating for this race. I think that may be a first. 436. murb posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I read that Chase Elliott thing too, Long Shot. That would be a pretty dumb move. I wouldn't be against a full time Truck schedule with a few NNS races thrown in, but jumping all the way up to full time NNS seems too hasty. He's only 17. 437. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Using Wikipedia and Jayski.com, here is an early prediction of what next week's Sonoma and Road America entry lists will look like. Sonoma: 1-Jamie McMurray 2-Brad Keselowski 5-Kasey Kahne 7-Justin Marks 9-Marcos Ambrose 10-Danica Patrick 11-Denny Hamlin 13-Casey Mears 14-Tony Stewart 15-Clint Bowyer 16-Greg Biffle 17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 18-Kyle Busch 19-Chris Cook 20-Matt Kenseth 22-Joey Logano 24-Jeff Gordon 27-Paul Menard 29-Kevin Harvick 30-David Stremme 31-Jeff Burton 32-Timmy Hill 33-Ron Fellows 34-David Ragan 35-Josh Wise 36-Victor Gonzalez Jr. 38-David Gilliland 39-Ryan Newman 42-Juan Montoya 43-Aric Almirola 47-Bobby Labonte 48-Jimmie Johnson 51-Jacques Villeneuve 52-Paulie Harraka 55-Brian Vickers 56-Martin Truex Jr. 78-Kurt Busch 83-David Reutimann 87-Joe Nemechek 88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 93-Travis Kvapil 98-Michael McDowell 99-Carl Edwards Road America: 00-Michael McDowell 01-Mike Wallace 2-Brian Scott 3-Austin Dillon 4-Matt Bell 5-Johnny O'Connell 6-Trevor Bayne 7-Regan Smith 10-Jeff Green 11-Elliott Sadler 12-Sam Hornish Jr. 14-Eric McClure 15-Chris Cook 19-Mike Bliss 20-Brian Vickers 22-A.J. Allmendinger 23-Alex Kennedy 24-Blake Koch 30-Nelson Piquet Jr. 31-Justin Allgaier 32-Kyle Larson 33-Max Papis 40-Reed Sorenson 42-J.J. Yeley 43-Michael Annett 44-Hal Martin 46-Jason Bowles 51-Jeremy Clements 52-Ryan Ellis 53-Andrew Ranger 54-Owen Kelly 59-Kyle Kelley 60-Travis Pastrana 70-Tony Raines 74-Juan Carlos Blum 75-Kenny Habul 77-Parker Kligerman 79-Jeffrey Earnhardt 87-Joe Nemechek 92-Dexter Stacey 99-Alex Bowman 438. JG24FanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hendrick Motors finishing order: Tony Stewart 5th Danica Patrick 13th Ryan Newman 18th Jimmie Johnson 28th Dale Earnhardt Jr. 37th Kasey Kahne 38th Jeff Gordon 39th Bobby Labonte 43rd (I assume this is still a Hendrick engine right?) Fitting that on the 110th anniversary of Ford Motor Company's incorporation,a Ford wins it's 1000th Nascar race,at Ford's home track of Michigan,while all of Hendick's flag-ship Chevrolet's experience a failure or bad luck. 439. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle gets Ford's 1,000th win on their 100th anniversary just ouside of Detriot, where Ford's HQ is. Good finishes for Burton, Dillon, Bayne, and (gasp!) Danica Patrick. Good for her though. Funny how Patrick and Bayne both had 500/1 odds of winning, but they finished better than Jimmie Johnson (4/1), Kasey Kahne (7/1), Matt Kenseth (7/1), and Dale Earnhardt Jr (8/1). Not the best race to lead in, as most of them wrecked. In fact, some of the main race leaders, McMurray, KuBusch, Earnhardt, and Kahne, finish 33rd, 35th, 37th, and 38th. Roush finishes 1st, 8th, and 16th, while Hendrick finishes 28th, 37th, 38th, and 39th. Good race for RCR, finishing 2nd, 10th, and 14th, with Dillon finishing 11th in a mostly RCR car. Crazy race. My school ends this Friday, and I get rewarded with some of my favorite races in both cup and nationwide, Sonoma and Road America. Lots of first-timers and road racers, Paulie Harraka (#52), Ron Fellows (#33), Jacques Villeneuve (#51), Justin Marks (#7), and Victor Gonzalez Jr (#36). 440. startandparkfan posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^I mean 110th anniversary. 441. Troy McClure posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Hi, I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from such racing films as "Danica Patrick: The over hyped driver", "My brother Eric is in the hospital", and "Kyle Busch: Showing the Young guys who's boss". But today, I'm here to tell you about turning right. Unknown to many trolls, NASCAR driver's actually DO turn right! No, it's not rocket science, just turning the steering wheel in the opposite direction. Some little kid: But Mr. McClure, where in the world can drivers turn right without horrible consequences? T McC: Don't worry Bobby... Kid: My name is Jimmy. T McC: Sorry Billy. Like I was saying, there are very few tracks where NASCAR drivers can turn right, but they are out their, and they are coming to a TV near you. Kid: But Mr. McClure, how will we get to watch the drivers turn right with all of the commercials that TNT airs? T McC: [silence] THE END!!!!!! 442. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That above post makes me sad at how downhill the Simpsons has gone since Phil Hartman's death... 443. 13 posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @437, Michael Mcdowell tweeted a pic of the 18 gibbs car hes gonna drive at Road America. 444. JG24FanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Tony Stewart went from 22nd to 10th in points in just 4 races. Gordon has 4 DNF's this year that were not of his doing. 3 hard crashes and a hub failure. Johnson now needs 21 consecutive Top 10's to tie Jeff Gordon's 2007 record of 30. Johnson now needs 19 Top 5's in the next 21 races to tie Jeff Gordon's 1998 record of 26. 445. Eric posted: 06.16.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Greg Biffle now has as many career cup wins as Davey Allison, Buddy Baker, Dale Jr, and Fronty Flock. When Greg gets his 20th cup win, he'll tie Carl Edwards and Speedy Thompson in career cup wins. 446. Baker posted: 06.16.2013 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Seriously you cannot honestly look someone straight in the eye and tell them Jimmie Johnson's car was not illegal today. He was so much faster than everyone whether in traffic or open track. He flat out stomped on the gas and pulled 3-5 car lengths on cars going down the straightaway. That to me is some obvious advantage in power I mean he wasn't beating guys by out driving in corners he was simply our dragging guys all day long. 447. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol, Troy McClure. That is a fun blast from the past. 448. Baker posted: 06.16.2013 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Don't look now but Joey Logano is quietly having a career season. I said it last year that Joe Gibbs was giving up on him far too soon after investing so much into him. He took a huge step back in equipment and has still stepped up results. He has 4 straight Top 10s and could easily be a lot higher in points if it were not for some horrible luck this year. 449. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Funny you mention that Baker, because on Wind Tunnel, on the recap of the Cup race, Dave Despain mentioned that bot Kasey Kahne and Dale, Jr. felt that their car was not as fast as Jimmie Johnson, and they both had great cars. We know Jeff Gordon's car is well of the pace of the other HMS cars, but if what Kahne and Dale, Jr. said is anything close to being true, the Hendrick still has a major problem when it comes to information sharing between his teams. And isn't this interesting because HMS has been helping Stewart-Haas Racing, as even Danica was competitive today, yet they still can't make Gordon's car that competitive, as I don't really believe it would have been a serious contender even if it hadn't been wrecked. It tells me that there may be more cooperation between HMS and SHR than there is among the HMS teams, and without a strong-willed guy in charge of HMS, it appears that this situation will continue as is. And remember that one reason I believe Gordon struggled on the larger tracks last year was the suspension setups that were being used, but as soon as NASCAR stopped letting the teams run those wild setups, Gordon's car got closer to the front because Alan Gustafson would not run those setups because he thought they were illegal. And let's not forget that Gustafson made some very critical comments that were aimed directly at Chad Knaus last year at Daytona after the whole fiasco that drew a stiff penalty from NASCAR, so there's friction between Knaus and Gustafson to begin with, and that might very well extend to Kenny Francis, who's of the same mindset of Knaus. In other words, I believe there's friction between the #24 team and the other HMS teams because Gustafson basically called Knaus out, something nobody else there has ever been willing to do. The other teams at HMS may doing trick stuff again and are either not letting Gustafson in on it, or Gustafson is choosing not to run setups that he thinks may be infringing the rulebook, because Gordon's car is 2-3 MPH slower than the other HMS cars on the speed tracks, but on the chassis and driver tracks, he close to on the pace of his teammates, if not slightly better, and I think we may see that Gordon will be the top HMS driver next week. And also let's go back to what I said in post #113 about Johnson saying that he thinks that Tony Stewart will win on each track before Jeff Gordon, despite the fact that Gordon's closer to completing the circuit. Johnson knows that Gordon will never have a realistic chance to win at Kentucky, the one place he's never won at, because of the way HMS is currently structured, while Stewart doesn't have to worry about that, so Johnson thinks that Stewart has a better chance to complete the circuit of winning at very track than does Gordon. 450. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.16.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The way it works with Jeff winning on the tracks... every time he gets down to one track left, they add another. At this rate, even with the announcement of no race changes next year, I could see NASCAR adding a race at somewhere stupid like Portland just so that Jeff wouldn't have a win on every track. Joking folks... joking. Seriously, it's about time for Jeff Sonoma butt-kicking... he hasn't had one in 7 years, and he's still EASILY and BY FAR the best Cup driver there and with some luck probably could have 10 wins there. 451. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't say he's the best at Sonoma right now, NicoRosbergFan, but all things being equal, which they never are at HMS, he should be on the short list of top-tier favorites for the race at Sonoma, though Juan Montoya is the prohibitive favorite right now with the way Ganassi's running. And here's something interesting. Jeff Gordon, the unequaled gold standard when it comes to NASCAR drivers on road courses, has not won on a road course since Juan Montoya and Marcos Ambrose entered the Cup Series. And while Ambrose may not be as heavily favored as he ordinarily would be, I think it may be a battle for second behind Juan Montoya at Sonoma next week, unless someone else has a big surprise up their sleeves. 452. GDR29 posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I was really rooting for the Biff to run out of gas just for another appearance of the Vulture. 453. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am definitely looking forward to Sears Point. These last two races have been tough to watxh, but they are notoriously strung out tracks that have been repaved to boot. Ready for a slowed down, narrow, fender smashing, and deceptively tough on tires road course (the last few years have seen drivers having to conserve those rear tires). I would say Gordon would be the favorite, but we all know he will have a part in his transmission or rear gear break. I say Stewart. They have their stuff together now, and he is tough on the road. I'm also predicting Kurt to win the pole, but something will happen to that team (could be the car, could be the driver) to take them out of contention before halfway. 454. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 13, oh good. Hopefully he can get that first victory. 455. Schroeder51 posted: 06.16.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knowing Gordon's luck this year, he'll win the pole for Sears Point...and promptly tear out his transmission coming to the green flag. It's actually sad that I can see that happening... 456. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, Schroeder, he probably won't make it off pit road. 457. Paul posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Didn't see a single lap in this race, but I'm happy to hear one of the blue ovals won on their "home track" today. Congrats to Greg Biffle and his #16 team. They've had some bad runs this year, but overall they have speed and are consistently one of the best Ford teams, even though Ford is the weakest of the three manufacturers right now. I'm glad that a driver who might have an impact on the Chase provided that he qualifies for it won the race and earned himself a potential wildcard (or better) Chase position. Stewart finishes in the top five for the 3rd consecutive week. That team has been on a roll as of late, and I think part of their early season struggles were because of focus being diverted towards the #10 team and trying to get that program up to speed, as well as trying to keep the team focused after numerous articles came about questioning how good the team really is. Just like the 2011 Chase, Stewart has taken that team on his back and he may very well carry them towards the Chase. Just days after the death of his good friend and fellow USAC champion Jason Leffler, Smoke brings home a 5th place finish, putting him inside the top ten in points. It wouldn't break my heart one bit if he carries that momentum all the way through the Chase and wins a 4th championship, as he's definitely earned that opportunity over the last few weeks. I lost all interest in following the leaderboard of this race once I saw Kurt Busch was about 5 laps down in 40th place after hitting the wall, not to mention both Gordon and Labonte crashing out as well. Labonte didn't need that wreck, especially since his temporary replacement in the #47 car, A.J. Allmendinger, finished 19th today. Not the type of Father's Day that B-Lab needed. Speaking of Gordon, he may be currently out of the Chase, but he's only 9 points out of 12th place as Kasey Kahne drops out of the top ten. Considering how much success he's had in the past at Sonoma, and how little success that Kahne (other than his surprising 2009 win), Logano, Truex, and Almirola have had on road courses, I'd say he's got a great opportunity at gaining those 9 points, and possibly even getting a win. If his car can hold up the entire distance and his crew chief doesn't run him out of fuel, I'd say he's got a shot at the win. He was running outside the top 25 for most of the 2011 race and still finished in 2nd (and was closing in on Kurt Busch too). I'm probably one of the most optimistic Jeff Gordon fans you'll ever meet (Though I don't like bragging about his career because I like to remain relatively objective.), and I firmly believe that when it comes to Jeff Gordon, it ain't over 'til it's over. Until Richmond comes along, I won't ever count the 4-time champ out of yet another miracle Chase run. 458. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With Jeff's luck, he won't even make the race, blowing the engine, transmission, radiator, and right-front tire during his qualifying run. 459. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Didn't Logano get a Top 10 finish the year he won the pole at Sonoma? Call me a Logano fan-boy, but he could certainly contend next week, Paul. 460. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think Kurt Busch has to be the favourite for next week, he is crazy good at Sonoma. Contrary to popular belief, Montoya has said he doesn't like Sonoma because it is slow and much prefers road courses like the glen or Spa/Silverstone in F1. 461. Zackary Shawn posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone know who the "idiot driver" (his words on Twitter, not mine) who got into Bowyer on the first lap was? 462. Newt posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Josh Wise's crew chief was actually Todd Anderson, who I guess is being used as a stop gap for start and park races. 463. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm right there with you, Paul. Until Richmond rolls around, I'm not counting Jeff out until he's actually on the outside looking in. Especially after last year's performance. 464. cjs3872 posted: 06.16.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zack, I just saw the replay and nobody ran into Bowyer. What happened was, on the stack-up after Kurt Busch got together with Carl Edwards, Kevin Harvick got on the brakes in mid-pack and stacked things up, with Marcos Ambrose running into the back of Harvick, Trevor Bayne running into the back of Ambrose, and Bowyer running into the back of Bayne, but nobody ran into Bowyer in that whole mess. Jeff Gordon was right behind Bowyer, but never touched him, or at least it didn't appear as if he touched him, but given the bad blood between Gordon and Bowyer from last year, it wouldn't surprise me if Bowyer was trying to let off steam in the direction of his favorite target, Gordon. 465. jabber1990 posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) im sitting at a Truck Stop in Gary, IN (wont say which one, there is a 1:6 chance you'll guess which one it is and I looked up and I saw the TNT hauler, and it was in a "convoy" of sorts with the haulers of Harvick, Edwards and Kesolowski...why they were headed West on 80 I cant figure out, so could they have been merchandise? or were they "the real thing?" then a few minutes later I saw 2 Sprint cup haulers chasing them...hmm 466. jabber1990 posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and another TNT hauler and the Fan Vision hauler 467. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber, Michigan International Speedway is only 3 hours east of Gary, so it was very likely the actual haulers. As for why they were going west on 80, keep in mind that 80 goes almost directly past Sears Point over in California (I should know, as I was just out there back in January), so that would explain that. And as to why they're going there so early, keep in mind that even non-stop, the trip would take a day and a half, and they are almost certainly not going non-stop all the way to California, so this journey could take 3-4 days. Do you remember the Sprint Cup haulers that you saw, because one of those could very well have been the #78 team, heading back to their shop in Denver. 468. The Long Shot posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm feeling an adrenaline rush after that last post. This must be what cjs feels like after every post of his. 469. David posted: 06.16.2013 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) @ post #467 - cjs, what have you done with the real The Long Shot?? Happy Father's Day, especially to Dave N., who is probably the only father among us. 470. Zackary Shawn posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, I just reread his tweet and realized it was possible he was calling himself the stupid driver for getting into the back of Bayne. 471. The Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The difference is: cjs actually knows what he's talking about, unlike me. I had to use some quick searching on Google Maps to get that info. 472. The Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Happy Father's Day, especially to Dave N., who is probably the only father among us." Us? Procreate? (hysterical laughter) 473. jabber1990 posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) wouldn't they go to home to charlotte first and then go to Sonoma? 474. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, we're coming up on Sonoma and the halfway point of Danica Patrick's 6 top 10 opportunities this season, she's 1/2 so far. She (surprisingly) wasn't far from getting a bonus one at Michigan, and it would be extremely unlikely for her to have two good weeks in a row, so I'm betting she finishes sub-30 at Sonoma. 475. jabber1990 posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) they could also be pulling a "Switcheroo?" or however its spelled 476. Pork Rind posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chad Knaus is honest as the day is long! 477. jabber1990 posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) i've also seen alot of motorcoaches pulling pickups behind them with golf carts in the beds, do the drivers drive their own motorcoaches or do they hire people to do that for them? 478. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Us? Procreate? (hysterical laughter)" Hahahahahahahahahahaheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehehohohohohohohohohohoheeheehoohoohoohoo... *absolutely goes mad, Dr. Zharko-style* ...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...etc. 479. The Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber, Charlotte is about 12 hours away from MIS, and they would just have to get right back on the road again, so while some of the teams may do that, other teams might just head straight over to Sonoma. And like I said before, it's possible that one of the teams you saw was the 78 team of Furniture Row Racing. Unlike the majority of racing teams, their shop is in Denver, Colorado, so they would have to travel on I-80 to get to their shop. Can you remember which teams' haulers you saw, or were they just generic Sprint haulers? 480. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Chad Knaus is honest as the day is long!" You're right, time DOES fly. 481. The REAL Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, quit using my name. 482. cjs3872 posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, I'm not sure this is the case n this situation, but often what happens on these cross-country trips is that there are actually two haulers for each team involved. What is generally the case is that the hauler that has the cars for the race leave Charlotte, where many of the teams are located, and heads to the site of the race. There, the teams get whatever back-up parts and stuff from one hauler, as well as for the race itself, and put whatever parts aren't used into the hauler heading to the upcoming race, while another hauler heads back to Charlotte with the stuff that was used during the weekend. That often happens during the weeks where there's a cross-country trip involved. And a reason they may be leaving for Sonoma so soon has to do with the fact that there's a chance of running into wild weather conditions going over the plains and later the mountains, so if they do run into wild weather, they have extra time if their usual route is, for some reason, shut down. Then they have time to use any alternate route and get to the race in time to do all the stuff they do prior to arriving at the track. And Zack, I think that he was referring to someone running into his car, and nobody did. But what happened was that there was a stack-up due to what happened at the very front of the field, and when Kevin Harvick got on the brakes, everyone behind him jammed up, and there was nowhere for the three or four cars immediately behind him to go, except into one another. That's why I think Bowyer was just blowing off steam. After all, there's certainly enough hot air where he works to blow off steam, and he's provided quite a bit of it himself in the nearly year and a half he's driven there. 483. The Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Chad Knaus is honest as the day is long!" Knaus must have been "Honest Abe" last week at Pocono then, huh? 484. jabber1990 posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) and saw 2 "straight trucks" with the Fox Sports and "NASCAR on Fox logo" wonder why they were there with the race on TNT as I say that a full truck goes by 485. jabber1990 posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) oh and LongShot Edwards, Harvick, Kesolowski, Boywer, Stewart, Biffle, and Kyle in that order before Richmond I saw Kurts headed East on 64 486. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.17.2013 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 484: The reason you saw FOX Sports and NASCAR on FOX is because they belong to SPEED, who broadcasted practice sessions and qualifying. Ever since the announcement of FOX Sports 1, SPEED has been using the blue FOX logos for their NASCAR RaceDay, Victory Lane, and Trackside studios at the racetracks. 487. Ferret posted: 06.17.2013 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @28 To be fair to Penske, that was Mercedes spurring that on and bankrolling the Indy pushrod special that USAC outlawed, but agreed on the rest of it. Though, between Penske and Hendrick, I'd take the Captain. No felony convictions on the Captain and a lot more racing experience across a lot more disciplines. 488. James posted: 06.17.2013 - 3:19 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have to say, I really believe after watching the race today, AJ Allmendinger deserves another shot at a good ride. That 47 car was awful all weekend and somehow he and that crew rallied to a top 20 finish, which is few and far between for them. I dont know if itll happen, but it sure should. 489. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 6:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knowing that Bobby Labonte finished higher in a race with much less attrition here a year ago, I'm not impressed. 490. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 7:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber, you are definitely watching the haulers headed to Sonoma. Since I lived in Charlotte for 2 years, I should know when the teams leave to go out there. They have to go through way stations on both sides of every state line. Now consider this: Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, California; that's 9 state lines, meaning 8 weight stations. They will probably get there on Thursday. There... I can sound like cjs too. 491. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 9:02 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) How in the world did Jeff Gordon suddenly become the unquestioned King of the Road? Tony Stewart in 6 less years of racing has 7 wins compared to Gordon's 9 Wins and they have an equal 12 Top 2 finishes. I'm sorry, but Tony Stewart has simply been the better road racing in their time together in NASCAR and in a career comparison. Jeff Gordon has clearly had the better career and Tony has a lot of faults that turn away a lot of fans, but to deny his ability on a road coarse is way off base. 492. The Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 9:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) No one's denying Stewart's road course ability, Baker. Most of the people here are just big fans of Gordon, that's all. I cheer for both myself. 493. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 9:17 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) All I am saying is Gordon just got labeled the best on the road and then the only drivers mentioned after that were Montoya and Ambrose. Kind of an insult to what Tony has done on the road races IMO. 494. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 9:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, Tony has 7 road wins, but over half of those came at someone else's expense. Jeff, on the other hand, genuinely won all TEN of his road course wins, plus got screwed out of 3 - 6 more. 495. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.17.2013 - 9:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've always wondered: do the hauler drivers race each other from track to track? 496. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 10:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, NLA (you mind if I call you that?), I don't know, but if they did, I WANT THAT JOB!!! "All I am saying is Gordon just got labeled the best on the road and then the only drivers mentioned after that were Montoya and Ambrose. Kind of an insult to what Tony has done on the road races IMO." You're right, Stewart should have been mentioned in the dicussion. However, Sonoma ans Watkins Glen are completely different courses. Gordon's won at Sonoma five times, while Stewart has won there twice. And both of them were at other's expense. In 2001 Robby Gordon and Kevin Harvick got into it on-track, allowing Stewart to pass them. And in 2005, Jeff Gordon dominated until the transmission broke. 497. cjs3872 posted: 06.17.2013 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) NicoRosbergFan, Jeff Gordon has nine road course wins, not ten, but the fact that you miscounted says more about Gordon having so many wins on road courses that it makes it easy to miscount. And Baker, until someone else wins six road course races IN A ROW, and Gordon did from 1997-2000, Gordon is the unquestioned king of the road courses in NASCAR. And his win totals are balanced, unlike Tony Stewart's. Gordon has five wins at Sonoma and for at Watkins Gen (though he's hardly even been a factor there in the last decade). Stewart's seven wins are unbalanced, as he seems to prefer the high-speed Watkins Glen road course over the slower, more technical course at Sonoma. Five of Stewart's seven road course wins are at Watkins Glen, and Stewart was even beaten by Kasey Kahne at Sonoma on three successive late race restarts in 2009. I'm not sure he beats Gordon on every one of those restarts if Gordon was in the same position Stewart was in. 498. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's pretty hard to call Gordon the "king of road courses" as of right now, much less the "unquestioned king," when he hasn't won a single one of them in the past 6 seasons. That would be about like calling Bill Elliott the "king of superspeedways" and labeling him the favorite when he makes one-off Daytona appearances when he hasn't won a thing in years. If there is a current "king of road courses," it's Marcos Ambrose. In the past 5 years he's started every road course race (10), and only finished outside of the top 8 once due to a transmission problem. His worst finish at Watkins Glen is THIRD. And while his stats at Sonoma aren't quite as impressive, don't forget that he would have won one of those races if his car didn't stall. 499. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Regardless, my point stands. Gordon has been dominant in far more races on road courses than Tony Stewart. Gordon led the most laps at Sonoma every year from 98-02, plus 04 and 06, winning in 98-00, 04, and 06. He also led the most laps at Watkins Glen from 97-99 and 07, winning in 97-99 and 01. Gordon also had the mentioned transmission issue while putting on a clinic in 05. Stewart has won at Sonoma twice, in 01 and 05, leading the most in 05. Stewart has led the most laps at Watkins Glen in 4 races, all wins, plus he won in 2007. The biggest thing to note though is that road courses are easier to drive now than at any other point in NASCAR history. It's essentially a many-turned Martinsville. 500. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, you're going to say Jeff not winning at road course in six years discounts the fact that he has had the best car in almost every one of the Sonoma's in that time only to be victimized by other's mistakes? I think you make a good point that Marcos Ambrose is the best right now, but don't take away something from someone based on age. You might as well say we can't call Richard Petty "The King" since he's retired. Fun fact: Jeff Gordon is the only driver likely to be entered in Sunday's race who raced on the old carousel layout. 501. 18fan posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Kurt will win this weekend if nothing happens to that car. He dominated two years ago and almost won last year in the 51 car, so I think he can get it done if everything stays together for that team, which it really hasn't this year. 502. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) They throw a caution due to 'competition'? What joke is this? 503. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They throw a caution due to 'competition'? What joke is this?" NASCAR usually does that after it has rained overnight, and the rubber that was laid down is washed off. During these cautions, the teams check tire wear. 504. JP88 posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone notice this when TNT did the starting grid... Apparently they still had last week's graphics or something so the #47 said AJ Allmendinger but had a picture of Bobby Labonte, and the #51 with Labonte has a picture of Regan Smith...fortunately for the #19 they had Mike Bliss' picture instead of the late Jason Leffler...man that would of been a bad mistake. Anyway anyone annoyed like I am with graphics...the small #22 in the running order screen looks like the Bill Davis #22 and not the Penske #22 I don't know, I'm just very picky when it comes to that stuff and it annoys me when it's wrong. 505. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Stewart has only 2 wins at Sonoma, but he has finished 2nd there at least twice to Kahne and Bowyer. He also had a 2nd place run going while stalking Kyle Busch before Kevin Harvick diveboomed the entire field and screwed Stewart. You can bring up whatever you feel you need to being up, but the fact is Gordon has a dozen more starts on the road and only 2 more wins while they have an equal amount of Top 2 finishes. 506. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Obvious, Baker, you have run out of evidence. Jeff race against Rusty Wallace and Ricky Rudd on road courses from 1993-2005, which is over half of his career. Stewart has run over half of his career NOT against those guys. Plus, Stewart started to suck on the road courses about the same time. Jeff has 18 road course top-5s; Tony has 10. Hell-freaking-lo! Jeff has more of every major statistical category on road courses except Watkins Glen wins, in his road racing career. You're the first person I've ever seen magically come out with a stat called top-2 finishes... where the hell did that come from? Plus how many times has Jeff been in a spot to win only to get screwed by his Hendrick transmissions? Tony has no "should have been wins" on his road racing resume. 507. cjs3872 posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And David, it's a move made more for safety than competition because NASCAR doesn't like the idea of having tires blow out on a long green run on a track surface without any rubber on it, but it was obvious there was a tire issue in yesterday's race. In fact, Jimmie Johnson's tire failure, as well as one that was about to happen to Kevin Harvick was predictable because that final run was on the edge of how far the right side tires, particularly the right front, could go, because 30-33 laps was about the limit on right side tires before one would blow. The tire problems were a product of the cars simply going too fast for too long, and the tires just can't take that kind of punishment, and you could even predict when one was going to blow after Jamie McMurray's right front blew. The odd thing is that the tires were blowing on some of the best cars in the field, including the two fastest cars in the race, and I don't buy the debris argument here. The failures were caused by a combination of speed and the tire itself, and if they were blowing out hard tires, that doesn't bode very well for the remainder of the season, especially the hot summer months when the heat, combined with the speed of the cars are going is going to magnify the heat problem even more, and we ay see more races where right side tires won't even be able to last a full fuel run. As a result, watch for potential tire issues in the upcoming races at Kentucky, Indianapolis, and the second race at Michigan, because I think there may be significant tire issues due to the speed the cars are going because the tires simply can't take it. Yesterday's race was the first indication of the speed, heat, and the aerodynamics being too much for the tires to handle, but there may be more of this kind of thing in the next couple of months. I don't suspect that will be a problem at Pocono because of the long straightaways giving the tires a chance to cool, and the abrasive track surface at Atlanta will slow the cars down enough to where blowouts won't be an issue, and by the time the series gets to Chicago, the summer heat may not be such a factor, but I fully expect to se races with tire failures on the high-speed tracks. And though the straightaways at Indy may help the situation there, the abrasive track surface my be the cause of blowouts in that race, as was the case in both 2004 and 2008, which is why I think there may be tire problems at Indy. 508. JRacingFast posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 504. JP88 posted: "Anyone notice this when TNT did the starting grid... Apparently they still had last week's graphics or something so the #47 said AJ Allmendinger but had a picture of Bobby Labonte, and the #51 with Labonte has a picture of Regan Smith...fortunately for the #19 they had Mike Bliss' picture instead of the late Jason Leffler...man that would of been a bad mistake. Anyway anyone annoyed like I am with graphics...the small #22 in the running order screen looks like the Bill Davis #22 and not the Penske #22 I don't know, I'm just very picky when it comes to that stuff and it annoys me when it's wrong." They also had Landon Cassils picture in the #33 instead of Austin Dillion 509. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jeff has 18 road course top-5s; Tony has 10. Hell-freaking-lo! Jeff has more of every major statistical category on road courses except Watkins Glen wins, in his road racing career." (Psst! You know he's going to bring up the fact that Jeff's got more starts, don't you? It's OK, though, Jeff leads Tony in top-5 %, 45.0% to 42.9%) 510. Dave N. posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Happy Father's Day, especially to Dave N., who is probably the only father among us." Thanks - but the ONLY one? I find that hard to believe...well, maybe not that hard...haha. 511. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Thanks - but the ONLY one? I find that hard to believe...well, maybe not that hard...haha." How many fathers do you know that spend time chatting with race fans online (no offense intended)? 512. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is the unquestioned king of the road who beat Rusty Wallace, Mark Martin and Ricky Rudd. BUT, Tony Stewart has out performed Jeff Gordon since 1999. hmmm I am not the one sitting here and calling someone an unquestioned king of the road. 513. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 06.17.2013 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 503, why not let them check tyre wear during racing, to make it exciting? Or is excitement non-existant in the Cup anymore. I'll stick to being a CWTS-only fan. 514. TS1420 posted: 06.17.2013 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just got back from MIS and caught up reading all the posts I missed since Thursday. I first want to express my condolences for the tragedy that happened with Jason Leffler. It put a shadow over the weekend knowing racing community lost a driver. The races ranged from poor (ARCA), good (N'Wide) & ok (Cup). I can't wait until surface gets some age to it. But thankfully it seems to be aging & wearing a little faster than Charlotte, which still looks and acts like a freshly paved track. Johnson had the best car, almost too perfect. He could make up 10-12 car lengths in a single lap and would blow by drivers like they were putting on the brakes (of course is doesn't help when most drivers just pull over and give him his preferred bottom line rather than making him try to pass up top were he usually makes his mistakes). Even Kasey, who had the 2nd best car, wasn't that good. But thankfully a bad restart, a 4 tire stop, a slower stop (Dictator Knaus probably handed out pink slips this morning) & a blown tire kept Johnson from winning (I bet Johnson would have gotten around Biffle on the final lap the way Biffle was starting to struggle with lapped traffic) It was weird to see so many win contending cars have issues. Kurt walled it, Kahne blows a tire, Junior blows an engine, Edwards gets caught a lap down then has engine issues & Johnson blows a tire. Good race for Smoke quietly picking up a top 5 finish. A lot of that thanks to attrition & bad luck of better cars, but a top 5 is a top 5. Holy crap for Danica finishing 13th on the lead lap. I do find it humorous that all 3 SHR cars finished ahead of all 4 HMS cars. I give the race a 7/10, probably would have been a 6/10 if I watched it on TV. 515. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Using that asinine argument of starts since 1999, we need to discard EVERY RECORD EVER, since well, you know, Tony Stewart has more road course wins, since 1999. Jeff had already driven stock cars for 10 freaking years! Jeff has a hell of a lot more wear and tear on his joints than the rest of the guys out there; that is one spot where I agree with cjs, that number of years is more significant than age. 516. murb posted: 06.17.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since you guys are talking about the haulers going cross country and stuff, I just read that David Ragan will be driving his own hauler out to Sonoma. That's old school right there. D-Rags is the man. 517. 13 posted: 06.17.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guys were talking bout whos the best there simply the person who stays out of Villenuves way has the best chance, Im picking Keselowski to win though he has been great at the Glen past 2 years and i think he ran top 5 at Sonoma in 11 but destroyed his tires toward the end. 518. cjs3872 posted: 06.17.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well NicoRosbergFan, about that "since 1999" debate, you can disregard that, since it came from someone that has such a blind hatred of Hendrick Motorsports that it blinds him to the truth. Let's not forget that Hendrick Motorsports has been winning races on road courses since the year it debuted, 1984, when Geoff Bodine won at Riverside for him. Tony Stewart is undeniably great on road courses, but on their best days, Jeff Gordon was a little bit better than even Tony. And again, I go back to the fact that he won six road course races in succession over a period of four years, beating the likes of Bodine, Rusty Wallace, Mark Martin, and even road course ace Ron Fellows along the way. Also, there's one image of Jeff Gordon on the road courses that is indelible to me, and that was in 2000, when after he won that race, his sixth consecutive victory on a road course, matching the all-time road course win record at that time (all in succession), he took his gloves off after the race that afternoon, and you could actually see the blisters on his hands from how hard he drove, as well as from the shifting. And by the way, If I remember right, he wasn't feeling well that day either, and he still stomped his competition. That image of seeing Gordon's blistered hands from driving the car so hard sticks with me for some reason. 519. Anonymous posted: 06.17.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) good race 4 rcr and shr. congrats to 4d on its 1000th win! 520. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I used 1999 because those are the only years Stewart and Gordon have run together obviously. I am not saying records before that year don't count that is just plain stupid. Again, I am not the one sitting here and saying someone is the unquestioned road king. There is no such argument that you can make that makes Jeff Gordon head and shoulders above Stewart and there is no such argument you can make that would put Tony Stewart head and shoulders over Jeff Gordon. It is that simple. They are the only 2 even remotely deserving of such a title and 2 other guys were mentioned before I even brought up Stewart then we had mention of Gordon beating Wallace and Rudd as if they were in line before Stewart for that title as well. The only other driver in the history of the sport that should even be considered along with Gordon and Stewart is Tim Richmond. He was already at 5 by the time of his untimely death. Not only would he have easily hit double digits, but he would have easily stole wins from Gordon and Stewart. 521. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.17.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For anyone who wants to see every hauler pass after a race, line up somewhere along Reidsville Rd after a race at Martinsville. I've never done it, but on my way back home after those races the locals are all sitting around in their front yards in lawn chairs of some groups gathers in paking lots of churches in lawn chairs, just to watch the haulers pass. Considering the area, that is by far the most exciting thing that happens there each year (twice no less) with the exception of the 4th of July when they all get absolutely wasted drunk then head to the lake in Belews Creek (prounounced Blue's Creek) , and usually get hurt or pass out. Oh, and for anyone wondering where Reidsville Rd is, it is a long stretch of two lane highway (technically also called NC Highway 66) located between Kernersville, Walkertown, Belews Creek, and the middle of freaking nowhere lol. But if you are up near Walkertown or Randolph County, or the Virginia State Line, it is an excellent way to get back to Winston Salem. 522. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) After Darrell Waltrip started winning 75, he won more Martinsville races by 92 than Richard Petty did in the same time frame, but no one questions Petty's Martinsville supremacy. 523. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darrell was still in his prime years in the 80s while Petty was way past at that point. Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart are 3 months apart in age both still in prime competing years. Jeff Gordon had the premier ride in the sport for almost a decade with the best crew chief in the business and the best pit crew on the sidelines. Tony Stewart has never once had the best crew chief, pit crew or equipment in the game. Again, I am not the one calling one unquestionably better than the other. 524. cjs3872 posted: 06.17.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you, NicoRosbergFan. You just undid Baker's argument by using his own theory about the overlapping primes of certain drivers at a certain track and boomeranged it right back at him. The thing that separates Gordon from the pack is the six successive wins on road courses from 1997-2000, and only one man even came close to that kind of dominance on the road courses in NASCAR history, someone who nobody's even mentioned in this particular debate. That man is none other than Dan Gurney, probably the single greatest road racer this country has ever produced, and his credentials match that boast. there wasn't a single kind of car he couldn't win in. In fact, Rod Osterlund and Les Richter thought so much of him, that in 1980, they got him to race a second Osterlund car in one of the races at Riverside as a teammate to Dale Earnhardt, and in that one race, he showed that he had lost absolutely nothing in nearly nine years of retirement. You guys mention Gordon, Tony Stewart, and Tim Richmond, but right up there with them is Dan Gurney, who won the 500-mile NASCAR race at Riverside five out of six years from 1963-'68, including four consecutive. That streak of success is the only thing even remotely close to matching what Gordon did with his six successive road course victories from 1997-2000. When you talk about NASCAR's greatest road course drivers, no list can ever be complete without mentioning the name of the original #48, Dan Gurney. (Sorry, James Hylton, but when I think of the #48 car in the years prior to Jimmie Johnson's dominance in NASCAR, I think of Dan Gurney.) 525. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, let's finish the boomerang... Richard Petty and Bobby Allison are the same age, but Bobby started Cupping in 1966 while Richard started in 1959... do we throw out Richard's stats prior to 66? cjs, thanks for mentioning Dan. Dan may very well be the most versatile driver ever period with only Parnelli Jones competing for that seat. 526. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought Gurney was an open wheel guy who was only a road ringer in cup? I still stand by Tim, Tony and Jeff as the only three with a legit argument to be king of the road. Call if faulty, but I don't like ringers and don't believe them to be true stock car racers. My history doesn't go back as far as Gurney so I could very well be wrong. If he was a full time stock car racer then by all means I am wrong. I just feel if that is your go to niche and you should win every race and if you don't I'm not impressed. I guess my line of thought would then be "Stock Car King of the Road" as apposed to just a King of the Road. I mean if we are just bringing everyone into it because of road racing then I am sure one of the F1 greats before my time or Michael Schumaker would take the title. 527. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You guys mention Gordon, Tony Stewart, and Tim Richmond, but right up there with them is Dan Gurney, who won the 500-mile NASCAR race at Riverside five out of six years from 1963-'68, including four consecutive." Which was also the first time anyone won four straight in a particular event in NASCAR history. 528. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 06.17.2013 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 525, "Dan may very well be the most versatile driver ever period with only Parnelli Jones competing for that seat." John Surtees? He could literally do anything. And then there's Jim Clark, arguably the greatest racer in the history of history. Clark won F1 (including 5 British Grand Prix's, which would've been 6 out of 6 had it not been for reliability one year), the Indy 500, a British Touring Car title and of course won several rally events. Not versatile enough? And then there's Graham Hill's motorsport triple crown (WDC, Indy 500, Le Mans). There were several incredibly versatile drivers at that time, but IMO Clark is the winner hands down. 529. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 06.17.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ And if you mean "most versatile driver ever period" rather than "in that period" then there's Mario Andretti, and more recently Andre Lotterer and Robert Kubica have a good shot at that seat. 530. AveryNH posted: 06.17.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ehh hem, Mark Donahue anyone? 531. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.17.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) When talking about versatile drivers, you'd have to include Mark Donohue. The guy won in pretty much any type of race car he entered, including Roger Penske's first NASCAR win in Riverside in 1973, the 1972 Indianapolis 500, Penske's first of 15 Indy 500 wins, Can Am and SCCA titles, and he also dominated the talented 1973 IROC field en route to the title. 532. cjs3872 posted: 06.17.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, I did mention that Gurney was the arguably the greatest road race this country has ever produced, but let's not forget that Gurney also had top three finishes in each of his last Indianapolis 500s (second in both 1968 and '69 and third in 1970), as well as a fifth place finish in the 1963 Daytona 500 in a Holman-Moody Ford, so Gurney could also get it done on ovals, as well, unlike most other road course "ringers". But he was clearly at his best on the road courses. The one thing that held Gurney back in those races on ovals was that he was often too conservative, or he might have won at least one of the two Indy races in which he finished second (probably 1969). 533. Eric posted: 06.17.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How can some mention the most most versatile driver ever period without mentioning A.J. Foyt? 534. Eric posted: 06.17.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Foyt was a driver that won the Daytona 500, Indy 500 4 times, 24 hours of Daytona 2 times, 24 hours of Le Mans, and 12 hours of Sebring. Foyt also won in midgets. A.J. Foyt's prime was in the 1960's and 1970's. The only F1 races Foyt did was when the Indy 500 was part of F1 World Championship and that was in the early part of Foyt's USAC Champ Car career. 535. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.17.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Andre Lotterer? He was an average Formula Nipppn driver who was outperformed in testing in F1 by Antonio Pizzonia (!) and rightly dumped by Jaguar. Now he's in The Mega Bucks LMP1 Audi R18 that even ex-gp2 rejects like Marco Bonanomi can put up impressive times in and everybody acts like he's Michael Schumacher. The R18 has barely over 500 Hp and 5,000 RPMS with full traction control and ABS, and apparently drives very similar to the SuperGT car, not really someone who comes to mind as versatile. 536. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.17.2013 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Jeremy Methfield wants to return to NASCAR. He called into an MRN show Brian France was a guest on to ask if he could come back and he was told to complete the same Road to Recovery program as AJ Allmendinger did. I didn't hear it, but the excerpts looks strange and hilarious at the same time. "If he's willing to accept the fact that I'd like to come back racing and if we could sit down and talk about it and figure out what we need to do to make that work." - Methfield to Eli Gold "Well, Jeremy, you know the path back for you. It's the path back for anybody. I've always hoped that you would choose the right path and not litigation and a bunch of other things. But that's up to you." "You have a welcome mat out anytime you want. There's a stated process that AJ Allmendinger just went through. We welcomed him back, and it's terrific. That's up to you." -Brian France to Methfield "OK, well, I appreciate that. I didn't mean to bother you on the show, but it's the only way I could get ahold of you and figured it would be a great opportunity to do that." -Methfield to France http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/8827637/jeremy-mayfield-pleads-case-nascar-chief-radio 537. Jim Davis posted: 06.17.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) "Apparently Jeremy Methfield wants to return to NASCAR." Where have you been? This happened months ago. 538. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.17.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK, I really need to start reading the dates on stuff... my bad. I'm assuming he's made no progress on his Road to Recovery. 539. Chives5150 posted: 06.17.2013 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Add Alex KENNEDY to the Toyota/Save Mart 350 entry list, as he's driving the #19 MediaMaster Toyota for TriStar Motorsports. Attention all NASCAR Sprint Cup Series drivers racing at Sonoma: Panic! KENNEDY, Villeneuve, and Harraka can only mean one thing: Shenanigans! 540. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.17.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've always been a bit dubious of the "most versatile driver" deal. Simply because not many drivers get a good shot on numerous platforms of racing. Just cause Earnhardt sought stock car success, got his big break in stock cars, and carved out arguable the greatest legacy ever there, do we know for a fact he wouldn't have succeeded in Indy cars or F1? Heck, look at his 2nd in class finish in the '01 24 hours of Daytona, the 2nd biggest sports car race of the year. Yes he was with the superior Corvette team, but that was also his first ever sports car race and he was pushing FIFTY years old. What about Richard Petty? All he wanted to do was run as many stock car races as possible? Besides, nowadays you pretty much have to pick one and stick to it. Not to take away from those wha have had the chance to compete on various platforms and win, but it is not something a huge number of drivers have attempted. 541. jabber1990 posted: 06.17.2013 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "most versatile driver" Stewart or Montoya...end of discussion 542. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) DSFF, Dale E doing well at the 24 Hours of Daytona at 50 years old is to be expected... Paul Newman won the damn thing in 1995 at 70 years old. 543. Daniel posted: 06.17.2013 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sonoma entry list: 43 entered -Justin Marks in the #7 -Alex Kennedy in the #19 -#32 TBA -Ron Fellows in the #33 -Victor Gonzalez Jr. in the #36 -J.J. Yeley in the #37 -Jacques Villeneuve in the #51 -Paulie Harraka in the #52 -Brian Vickers in the #55 -#98 not entered 544. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.17.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like #incarcerateMikeHarmon is back... 545. 83andJoe posted: 06.17.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >503, why not let them check tyre wear during racing, to make it exciting? Or is excitement non-existant in the Cup anymore. I'll stick to being a CWTS-only fan. If by "excitement" you mean "blown right front tires at 205mph going into turn one" then yes, yes there would be. EVERY series in NASCAR - Cup, N'wide, and, yes, even Trucks - has a policy of throwing a competition caution, usually between lap 20 and lap 30 to allow the teams to check tire wear in situations where there was no practice (such as due to rain) or when the track has changed dramatically since the last practice (such as when it pours rain overnight, as happened at Michigan). This is nothing new, and it is for safety. 546. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.17.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Great move by Joe Falk, Ron brings money from Canadian Tire and could honestly give the team a top 5 result. 547. The Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Arrest warrants have been re-issued for Mike Harmon Racing co-owners Mike Harmon and Dave Novak. Sigh, I hate to say it, but I'm trashing #FREEMIKEHARMON. It's plain as daylight that Harmon was involved in the stealing of Cobb's hauler and equipment, no matter what transpired beforehand. Instead, I'm starting #SOMEONEPLEASEGETJENNIFERJOCOBBTHEHELLOUTOFNASCARRIGHTNOW. I really hope Frank Stoddard puts Boris Said in that #32. I'm shocked that he hasn't gotten a ride for Sonoma by this point. Teams need to remember that he's the same guy who qualified John Carter's #08 Ford in the Top 10 back at Watkins Glen (or was it Sonoma? I forget) in 2009. 548. murb posted: 06.17.2013 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really hope Frank Stoddard puts Boris Said in that #32. I'm shocked that he hasn't gotten a ride for Sonoma by this point." I wish he would drive the 55 for MWR. That way Vickers wouldn't have to do double duty. 549. Baker posted: 06.17.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank God someone finally mentioned A.J. Foyt in the most versatile driver argument or I would have had to get all ragehead on everyone. 550. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.17.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's true about Paul Newman, but hadn't he been racing sports cars off and on since the '70s when he made that movie? He really cared a lot racing and got involved. He also started the parent company for the Victory Junction Gang Camp (Adam went to one of Paul's and decided he wanted to build one, hence Kyle and Patty building VJC) and helped them. A really good dude. 551. Anonymous posted: 06.17.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Wow. Kennedy, Villeneuve, AND Harraka all in the same Cup race? This has the potential to be scary... 552. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No one's even mentioned that Bobby Labonte IS on the entry list, driving the #47. 553. jabber1990 posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) so a driver is going to jail? and yet they say NASCAR drivers arent athletes 554. Schroeder51 posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Post #551 was me. 555. The Long Shot posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) jabber, what in the world does being arrested have to do with being fit? Mike Harmon is one of the least fit drivers out there. It won't be hard for the police to catch him, as Harmon will probably just park at the first sign of the cops. 556. Schroeder51 posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Harmon will probably just park at the first sign of the cops" ...is it sad that I laughed at that? 557. David posted: 06.17.2013 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "jabber, what in the world does being arrested have to do with being fit?" He was joking. You know, about athletes getting arrested all the time. I thought it was mildly humorous. 558. ch posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I heard somewhere that Stoddard was trying to get Said to drive, but the deal was lacking sponsorship. If I were Stoddard, I'd put Said in anyway. He has a ton of talent, and always brings attention from the media. 559. The Long Shot posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "is it sad that I laughed at that?" No, it means you have a sense of humor. "He was joking. You know, about athletes getting arrested all the time. I thought it was mildly humorous." Oh, I get it now. Ha ha ha. "I heard somewhere that Stoddard was trying to get Said to drive, but the deal was lacking sponsorship. If I were Stoddard, I'd put Said in anyway. He has a ton of talent, and always brings attention from the media." Well, Said's now being listed as the driver of the 32, according to Jayski.com. Good move on Stoddard's part. 560. 83andJoe posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:21 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) I keep hoping that Stoddard will put Mike Stefanik in the 32 at one of the New Hampshire races. 561. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:25 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I keep hoping that Stoddard will put Mike Stefanik in the 32 at one of the New Hampshire races." That would NOT be bullshit. 562. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol @ 553 563. startandparkfan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Said in the #32. He's gonna give biffle a fricken whoopin'. 564. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) To the person who posted #FREEMIKEHARMON, there's egg on your face. Said will make Biffle regret becoming a NASCAR driver... Said doesn't forget easily. 565. The Long Shot posted: 06.18.2013 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, I realize that, NicoRosbergFan. I mentioned it in my comment #547. Also, I'd like to wish a very happy 71st birthday to my 2nd favorite singer/songwriter, the man who was responsible for this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMMdblS_WNY Coincidentally, my favorite singer/songwriter is turning 71 on Thursday. Can anyone guess who that is? 566. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.18.2013 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys? 567. startandparkfan posted: 06.18.2013 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone know if the drivers of the #5 and #74 in NWide, Johnny and Kevin O'Connell are related to Terri O'Connell (J.T. Hayes)? 568. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (3) (2) "Anyone know if the drivers of the #5 and #74 in NWide, Johnny and Kevin O'Connell are related to Terri O'Connell (J.T. Hayes)?" Ugh, did you have to bring THAT driver up? 569. Paul posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Anyone know if the drivers of the #5 and #74 in NWide, Johnny and Kevin O'Connell are related to Terri O'Connell (J.T. Hayes)?" None of those three drivers are related. "Ugh, did you have to bring THAT driver up?" You got a problem with people born with gender identity disorder? 570. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) To clarify on David's comment, it's all a matter of whether you see gender identity disorder as a psychiatric or genetic ailment. Don't knock or praise his comment either way; to even bring up this topic is starting a political debate, something we agreed to not do. 571. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You got a problem with people born with gender identity disorder?" No. 572. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, Mike Harmon is incarcerated... turned himself in yesterday afternoon. 573. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, Johnny O'Connell and Kevin O'Connell (both in the Nationwide race this week) are not related to each other. 574. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "to even bring up this topic is starting a political debate, something we agreed to not do." That's kind of what I was saying there, so thank you; however, "ugh" was not the correct interjection to use. 575. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) So, poll question: Is Mike Harmon a) Guilty b) Not guilty 576. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If anyone puts any stock in Driver Rating, Kurt Busch has the highest average at Sonoma since 2005. 577. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the Long Shot's other singer is Paul McCartney. 578. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just googled it... ouch... didn't follow the link... I'm dumb... 579. AveryNH posted: 06.18.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A. Guilty. I mean I hate to say it, but they do have him committing this crime on video 580. Woodbridge posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm very excited to see the high number of road course ringers this week. I love these guys. 581. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) What he meant by the "ugh" is the can of worms it might bring up. I think it will be ok on this board. But on the 1990 Goodwrench 500 page (JT Hayes' only start) there is some joking about the gender change, non malicious in my opinion, but some people get really mad when people joke the slightest bit about hot button issues. As for the "are they related" question, remember his birth name is JT Hayes, O'Connoll is what he changed his name to. 582. Scott B posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looks like a big crop of ringers entered this week compared to Cup events in recent years. Most won't be in competitive equipment, but still, it makes things more interesting. I almost wish there was one road race in the Chase schedule, if we must have the Chase format. 583. Woodbridge posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I think we need all the road courses on the schedule for Cup. Mid Ohio, Road America, Gilles Villeneuve, Mexico, throw 'em ALL on there. 584. JRacingFast posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Has anyone read yet about the new grandstand overhaul at Daytona? The link to the article is posted below. One of the major things i cant believe is how many seats they are taking out. Many of which include the seats on the Super stretch. http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2433651 585. AveryNH posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) She was actually born a hermaphrodite. And also was good friends with Lake Speed. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_nascar_fanblog/2009/08/racecar-driver-turns-life-of-hell-into-sweet-dreams-and-dangerous-curves.html?wpmp_tp=0 Here's a really interesting article I ran across on Google giving a brief bio of her career in racing and her inner struggles 586. Jim Davis posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, Mike Harmon is incarcerated... turned himself in yesterday afternoon." He's out on bail. 587. The Long Shot posted: 06.18.2013 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Congrats to NoLongerAnonymous on getting the answer right. Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys is my favorite singer/songwriter of all-time, and it's not even close. All you have to do is listen to the Pet Sounds album, and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. The only words to describe Wilson as a composer are "musical genius". No exaggeration. I think he is THAT amazing. While he had a lot of personal troubles that I wouldn't want to emulate, as a budding musician, Wilson is my music idol. To NicoRosbergFan: First, Google before you speak, and second, in answer to your poll, I vote answer c: Guilty but not guilty. The reason is that while it's clear to all of us that Harmon at least had something to do with the crime, he had a legitimate excuse for doing it. Harmon loaned the equipment to Cobb, and when he attempted to retrieve it, Cobb balked, so he took matters into his own hands. (And to be clear, this is all speculation. I could be completely wrong about this). So I believe that the two sides will eventually come to some out-of-court settlement, and then hopefully this issue will be settled. "Looks like a big crop of ringers entered this week compared to Cup events in recent years. Most won't be in competitive equipment, but still, it makes things more interesting." Boris Said should be able to contend this week. Remember that he scored a Top 10 finish here back in 2010 for Latitude 43 Motorsports, even holding the lead for a while. "To clarify on David's comment, it's all a matter of whether you see gender identity disorder as a psychiatric or genetic ailment. Don't knock or praise his comment either way; to even bring up this topic is starting a political debate, something we agreed to not do." To even classify that as an ailment is wrong in my belief. One should be able to choose what they can be in this world. If a man feels like they should be a woman, be a woman, and vice-versa. If you think you're gay, be gay. If you want to wear women's clothes and makeup, do that, although I can't say I understand why you would want to. I'll end on this note: who are we, as a society, to make choices for singular people and restrict them from being what they want to be? Land of the free, huh? Once homosexuals are allowed to marry, and once we can actually have true "freedom of religion", then I'll call the U.S.A. "a free land". 588. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "O'Connoll is what he changed his name to." BUT, O'Connell was his/her grandmother's last name. So there is a chance, however minute, that him/her and the aforementioned other two O'Connells are related. 589. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.18.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BUT, O'Connell was his/her grandmother's last name. So there is a chance, however minute, that him/her and the aforementioned other two O'Connells are related." I didn't know that. So you are right. 590. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Remember that he scored a Top 10 finish here back in 2010 for Latitude 43 Motorsports, even holding the lead for a while." That was the race with the most overlooked second-place finish in the past ten years. 591. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I shall refrain from enraveling my budding mind into the these asinine political discussions. As a scientist, I can't stand anti-scientific topics... like global warming as it's portrayed by the media. 592. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That was the race with the most overlooked second-place finish in the past ten years." I would put Jeff Gordon's bumperless 2nd place finish in the 2004 UAW GM Quality 500 at Charlotte slightly above that one, but that's just me. 593. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, Robby Gordon finished second in that race. Boris Said finished eighth. 594. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, let me expand on my last post. That 2010 Sonoma race was, as some would say, "straight out of Bizarro world". You had two Scandinavian drivers, Jan Magnussen and Mattias Ekstrom, making their NASCAR debuts, with Magnussen finishing TWELFTH in a PHOENIX RACING car (the same car would finish third with Kurt Busch two years later). Ekstrom finished 21st in the #83 car, during Red Bull's season long "Brian Vickers Replacement Tour, Revolving Door-Style". You had a road-course expert who was automatic at knocking off the good runs there leading almost a third of the race, but making THE bonehead move of the year, shutting off his engine to save fuel while going UPHILL, a blunder completely unbecoming of a driver who excelled at road racing. You had a career road course winless driver who, with the exception of a few decent runs, was hopeless on those tracks, leading half the race and winning by over three seconds, but only after having it gift-wrapped for him after the aforementioned blunder. You had a road course ringer leading laps and finishing eighth in a car that couldn't do jack anywhere else. You had a NASCAR staple, an owner-driver who hadn't been relevant in years finishing SECOND. And to top it all off, you had Jeff Gordon, the master of road courses, a driver who was very efficient at those tracks, a driver who normally wasn't very aggressive, apparently going on a vendetta and spinning, bumping, or wrecking like six different cars (I don't know how many it actually was, I just guessed). He still finished fifth. Crazy. 595. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "She was actually born a hermaphrodite." This is where ignorance really becomes an issue. To far too many people, they see things totally in black in white, you either this or that. No in between. And gender, even to many "informed" people is the ultimate "No In Between". To them, you are either a guy or a girl, and that is that. The truth is this is far more common than most would realize. And it usually causes issues like Terri has experienced, not only do they have their own inner struggles, the world, by and large, looks at them with damning eyes. Not many people to turn to. Here are some things I took from the article AveryNH posted (great find btw). "J.T. was a mechanical genius who designed, built and worked on his own race cars all awhile racing, some at over 200 mph, and winning against drivers such as Jeff Gordon in Sprint cars." *resists urge to make tasteless joke at the expense of Jeff Gordon and Rainbow Nation* Just kidding. Although I spend far too much time in cat urine soaked trailers "treating" people, I'm not ignorant Southern trailer trash. "J.T.'s life flashed in front him during a near- brush with death while racing a sprint car." This is something I wanted to touch on in the wake of Jason's untimely passing, but was unsure of when a good time would be. There has been a cry from a number of drivers (*sigh* most notably Brad) to improve safety of these local tracks. What they need to realize is that safety is expensive. You can't just go to the local hardware store and buy SAFER barriers. First off, you have to get engineers to come in and measure the walls and racing surface to know the proper amount of Styrofoam otherwise it will do more harm than good. Secondly, the walls themselves, as well as proper helmets, neck restraints, seats, harnesses, and roll cages are very expensive. This in addition to the insane cost just to have a raceable car nowadays, even on the local level. How many stories of the most successful stock car drivers begin with "went to a junkyard, bought a car for $25 or less, put a roll cage in, and took it racing"? Just about everyone who debuted before 2000. Even Dale Jr started his career this way (although Big E made sure it had a top flight roll cage put in it, for as much as he ignored his own safety at least he was there for his kids). Can't do that no more. So the answer for these drivers yelling out (I'm looking at you Brad) is to donate money to their local tracks to improve things if they really want to make a difference. Expecting them to just suddenly be Cup level for safety is simply unreasonable. Most local drivers AND tracks are barely getting by as it is. The fact is local tracks and local racing will have a safety deficiency. So what is the answer? Either 1) leave it as it currently is 2) shut down local racing completely or 3) try to help these breeding grounds. Drivers like Jason love to race at any chance. Was he wrong for showing up for that race? Of course not. Racers are gonna race. So these rich guys need to help them out so nobody else is left fatherless at age 5 like Charlie. 596. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Actually, Robby Gordon finished second in that race." I know that. My response was cryptic, meant to get people to look up what I was talking about if they didn't already know. 597. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And to top it all off, you had Jeff Gordon, the master of road courses, a driver who was very efficient at those tracks, a driver who normally wasn't very aggressive, apparently going on a vendetta and spinning, bumping, or wrecking like six different cars (I don't know how many it actually was, I just guessed). He still finished fifth." This overshadowed Brad also being involved in like 5 different wrecks. Two and a half years later he would be crowned Cup Champ. That was a weird friggin race! 598. Jim Davis posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As a scientist..." Really? Which field? 599. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since I mentioned global warming as my pet peeve media-blown issue, I have no fears of saying I am meteorologist and a mathematician. 600. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forget if the 3 O'Connell's are related I want to know if this Kevin O'Connell is the same Kevin O'Connell that was drafted in the 3rd round by the New England Patriots as Tom Brady's successor? 601. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This Kevin O'Connell that's entered at Road America is old enough to be most people here's dad (he's in his 40s). 602. Chives5150 posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love seeing all of the road ringers at Sonoma this weekend. I just wish that Brandon Ash would come out for a race or two like he used to do when the Sprint Cup Series went out West. He had a solid top-20 run going at Sonoma back in 2009 until he crashed very late in the race. He was always one of my favorite "one-off" drivers. 603. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Why do you love seeing the ringers? They have started to become bulldozers out there. Marcos Ambrose(yes still a ringer IMO) and Villeneuve in the field means everyone's favorite drivers are all at risk for an unwarranted chrome horn at on any given lap. Even Boris Said has had his moments driving over his head and causing a wreck simply because he doesn't have anything to lose. I don't like them one bit. 604. 18fan posted: 06.18.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That 2010 race is when Elliott Sadler talked about Jeff pressing too hard because Jimmie Johnson kicks his butt every week after Sadler was one of the numerous cars taken out by Gordon. 605. Bronco posted: 06.18.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Brad Keselowski has got to be the biggest whiner in the garage today. The Fords haven't shown the raw speed that the Chevys and Toyotas have, so Brad again goes off on a mindless rant saying that other teams poached crew guys from his team to make themselves better. If those crew guys were so valuable, why didn't Brad's team make more of an effort to keep them. Does Brad think that he wouldn't jump ship to another team if they made him a better offer? People love to bash the Busch brothers, Hamlin, Harvick, Johnson, Stewart and Gordon for whining, but at least when they do it it's because of what happens on the track and their disappointment with it. Brad just bitches about pointless issues and levels accusations at everyone whenever he gets beat. Seriously can't stand the guy. Give him a giant crying towel already. 606. 83andJoe posted: 06.18.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Tomy Drissi is now listed on the entry list in the #87. And I agree, DSFF, if drivers think there's a need for a safety crusade on the short tracks, cough up the money and put it where their mouth is. As I pointed out before, the safety rate on short tracks, at least to my quick unscientific study, is very GOOD and is in fact better than NASCAR's was pre-2001, when it comes to fatal injuries. (1991: J.D. McDuffie, 1994: Neil Bonnett, 1997: John Nemechek; 2000: Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Tony Roper, 2001: Dale Earnhardt). If we assume that the current safety rate for fatal accidents) in the three NASCAR "National Touring Series" (Cup, Nationwide, Truck) is 1 for every 1250 races, that's, more or less, one every 14 years. Now, let's look at short tracks. If we assume 26 races a year per short track (your season may vary but that seems a reasonable spitball average), this 1:1250 accident rate becomes 1 fatal accident per 50 tracks per year. Now, the Wikipedia page on short tracks shows ~347 U.S. short tracks, and it's a dramatically incomplete list (for instance, none are listed in Kentucky). So let's assume 400 (500 may be closer to the actual number) - that means that, using the safety standard for NASCAR's top series which is held up and applauded weekly, you'll have eight driver fatalities per year in short track racing - if we assume 500 tracks, 10. So far this year, as far as I can tell, there's been 4 with the year half-over, plus two in a pit accident at a California short track early in the year. So, while it's tragic and yes, there is room for improvement, short tracks do not appear to be the deathtraps the media is trying (and tries every time something like this happens) to paint them as, and they're not more dangerous than the 'big three' NASCAR series Brad K constantly runs in without worry, so for Brad to shoot off his mouth about how he doesn't run short tracks because "the safety standards at local short tracks ' they're out of control. They're dismal" is just another case of the chronic footinmouthitis he's come down with this year, and evidence that somebody needs to corral him and confuse him with the facts before his next sound bite. TL;DR: Short tracks have the same fatal accident rate you'd expect them to if they had the same safety standards as NASCAR, the media hasn't a clue, and Brad's comments on the subject were him "opening his mouth and removing all doubt" as we say round these parts. 607. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) I gotta agree with you Bronco. He is on an entire different level this year. Apparently success has gotten to his head or something. He is not quite to a Jimmie Johnson level of being above competition, but he is getting a good start with his act this year. Brad Keselowski is a roller coaster for me. I didn't care for him and his childish back and forth with Carl Edwards then he started growing up and he slowly stole my heart, and now this year he is slowly losing my fandom again. 608. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.18.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Apparently success has gotten to his head or something. He is not quite to a Jimmie Johnson level of being above competition, but he is getting a good start with his act this year." Ironically when it comes to things happening to him on the track(the bad week in Charlotte and running out of gas and finishing 12th after being top five/ten most of the race here), he handles it pretty well. That's the Brad we need to see and hear more of, not the smart alack whose in love with the taste of his own feet in his mouth. Maybe Rodger and Paul Wolfe need to make a restrictor plate for his vocal cords. 609. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.18.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Keselowski, I see a much less-focused Brad Keselowski than last year. It almost seems like last year he was totally focused towards winning the title, but now that he's accomplished that, he's allowing his focus to drift off to other, less important things, like expressing his anger on the Aaron's 499 restart earlier this year on Twitter. 610. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.18.2013 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To continue my previous post, I've always liked Keselowki. But I just wish he would show the same focus he showed last year. Because we've seen that when he's focused, he can beat Jimmie Johnson, which is something nearly every team can't do every year. 611. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You would think he would be more focused than ever too. I mean Goliath is running better than ever this year and certainly better than last season. Also, it would erase any doubters that would think his 2012 season was a fluke. 612. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "To continue my previous post, I've always liked Keselowki. But I just wish he would show the same focus he showed last year. Because we've seen that when he's focused, he can beat Jimmie Johnson, which is something nearly every team can't do every year." I'm the exact same way. He's been one of my favorite drivers over the past couple years, but this year he's really shooing me away with his constant ridiculous comments and conspiracy theories. I wish he would just focus on driving the race car. 613. Schroeder51 posted: 06.18.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I WANT to like Brad, but he is spouting his mouth off so much this year he's in danger of becoming NASCAR's very own Dale Gribble... 614. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "he's in danger of becoming NASCAR's very own Dale Gribble..." lol, Next I'm expecting him to put "Rusty Shackleford" on the driver's window instead of his own name. I just heard that Todd Bodine will be replaced by Brett Moffitt in the 13 truck at Kentucky. I'm always in favor of seeing young guys get opportunities, so I like this move. Todd really hasn't been that great in that truck. Hopefully he can pick up another ride somewhere though. The Truck Series would be weird without him. 615. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kind of funny though that when Jeff has been given his fair share and doesn't lack 50 hp he is usually lapping at least 2 of his teammates. 616. Schroeder51 posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Those Anthony posts are just an EYESORE to look at. 617. 83andJoe posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) >I just heard that Todd Bodine will be replaced by Brett Moffitt in the 13 truck at Kentucky. I'm always in favor of seeing young guys get opportunities, so I like this move. Ironically, a response to the tweet on Todd's official twitter stating this was "I hate seeing veterans get elbowed out of rides in favor of kids with $$." Said response was also addressed to the "kid with $$". Stay classy. 618. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right... Todd... that's why Brett Moffitt's been stuck there this long. 619. Scott B posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, I learned something new today. Never heard about J.T. Hayes, born in Corinth, MS. I live in Mississippi, but didn't move here till the mid-90's, after Hayes' one Cup start. Lake Speed was from here, too, so it makes sense they knew each other. Interesting story, I'll have to research it a little more. 620. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The sarcasm is now getting out of hand for a weekday evening. 621. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ironically, a response to the tweet on Todd's official twitter stating this was "I hate seeing veterans get elbowed out of rides in favor of kids with $$." Said response was also addressed to the "kid with $$". Stay classy." Here's hopping the 'kid with$$' gets a top five or ten and shoves it in the Onion's face. 622. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't we save the satire post for the race weekend. 623. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's a difference between "sarcasm" and "complete hijacking of the most insightful racing board on the web". 624. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's completely getting out of hand. It was funny after the All Star race, but now it's just watered down and idiotic. To the regulars who may be doing these "sarcasm" posts, please stop. Your credibility diminishes when you post under fake names. 625. 18fan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRF, it was someone responding to Todd's tweet that brought up the money. 626. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) To me, the sarcasm is fine when it is lightening up the atmosphere of something like an NNS race being led pole-to-flag or a Cup race where the cars are separated by 10 seconds each... but this is ridiculous. It's Tuesday for God's sake! Unless you've got something priceless, it can wait for the weekend! 627. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Frickin' moron... Kevin Harvick is from Bakersfield (aka a suburb of LA). Jeff Gordon is from Vallejo, which is literally a half-mile away. Shitcan the force, Luke. 628. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Kevin Harvick is from Bakersfield (aka a suburb of LA)" Actually, Bakersfield isn't even close to a suburb of LA. It's much further North. 629. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) My mistake, murb; still not close to Sonoma. 630. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Brad's gonna be alright. He just needs to tone it back a bit. His candor is something his fans love. He's gone too far at times this year, but I'm sure he'll find his way back. I think he also is realizing that, as a champion, now EVERYTHING he says will find its way public. He'll figure it out, he is a bright guy. And I wouldn't say he's a whiner, just a blowhard. The only thing he's really "whined" about this year was the Dega restart which he apologized for. He just needs to take a split second to think at times before he speaks. 631. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looking at how moronic the posts are it's either Anthony or Willy-on-Wheels-back-from-the-dead. 632. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yes, satire is only funny when done properly. This Kyle Petty "that is incredible" stuff has been beaten into the ground (mostly by me lol). 633. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This Kyle Petty that is incredible' stuff has been beaten into the ground (mostly by me lol)." I started that when I posted as Kyle Petty on the History 300 comments page. It got NINE thumbs up. I think that tied with Kool-aid Man for most thumbs up on a satirical comment. 634. Anonymous posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you somebody... 635. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you webmaster for deleting those satire posts and Anthony's spam. 636. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's incredible how quickly the satirical posts disappeared. 637. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Webmaster, you rule. Thanks for making this site what it is. The only satire posts that I've ever made were the two Michael Waltrip ones on the All Star race page where it said, "Did I tell y'all that I won this race in 1996", and the other one that said "We think Brian Vickers is a future Cup champion". So yeah, I guess "Michael Waltrip" is the only person I've impersonated on here with those two comments. Other than that, they've all been you guys I guess. 638. murb posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with what DSFF said earlier though. It can be funny if it is done right. But please, don't overdo it. This site has too much pride to be dumbed down like that. 639. The Long Shot posted: 06.18.2013 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I never even saw them. Was it some idiot spamming, "That's incredible!", or something of that sort? And by the way, that joke was only funny once. 640. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And by the way, that joke was only funny once." Right. When I did it. Tee hee hee :)... 641. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, I can say the same exact thing about a lot of Tony Stewart's comment the media and fans like you blast him for. I always find it hard to swallow when its okay for fans to make excuses for some drivers and not others. Don't get me wrong Brad Keselowski is no where near the level of Tony Stewart yet when it comes to over the top rants. I am not here to put Keselowski down and bring Stewart up. They are easily my #1 and #2 favorite drivers in the sport right now. Nico, (Not saying you are one of them) Why is it always frowned on when myself and others believe that Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus are operating with 50 extra horses, but now it is okay to believe the conspiracy theory that Jeff Gordon is running 50 down? Even if I didn't hate Jimmie as much as I do I firmly believe it would look much more obvious that Jimmie is cheating more than anyone is holding back Jeff Gordon. Jeff looks to be on equal footing with most of the rest of the field while Jimmie is on a whole different level. 642. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is this a question? 643. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, I just misunderstood you, that's all. 644. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not a very good writing, so I can be very misunderstanding to read sometimes. I'm not a dumb guy I just never fully wrapped my head around commas, semi colons, colons and all that jazz. I remember once in 8th grade a wrote a 3 page paper that ended up being something like 5 run on sentences long haha. 645. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah... Sunday's race in Michigan really bugged me... it was always suspected Junior Johnson was cheating, but as far as I know the only he got caught was that one with Geoff Bodine in the early 90s, and I don't even think he was building the engines at that point. Chad has gotten caught literally over 10 times (and somehow not gotten penalized at least 5 of those times), and now his car is able to run race laps 4-5 mph faster than anyone else on the track. 646. The Long Shot posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Right. When I did it. Tee hee hee :)..." And even then it was only mildly amusing. Tee hee hee. :) 647. jabber1990 posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) somebody suggested having Mid-Ohio, montreal, Road America, Mexico, Sonoma, and Watkins Glen in the schedule...thats fine, I am sure we all agree but where are they going to go? I think Sonoma and Watkins Glen are fine where they are but where do we put the others? 648. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.18.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber, Montreal replaces Pocono 2, Road America replaces Kansas 1, Mexico replaces Texas 2 (in the Chase!), and Mid-Ohio replaces the Indy Fart Festival. 649. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And even then it was only mildly amusing." Still more amusing than it is now. HAR HAR HAR :P 650. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where does Sean hide? We need him around here more often. His sanity and objectiveness is refreshing every now and then. 651. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want to see Mid-Ohio even though the Indy Cars are boring there because it is the closest race track to my house other than a bankrupt Mansfield Speedway. I would then love to see Eldora be an epic hit with the Trucks then Nationwide and soon have Cup go back dirt racing. I would for sure be at Mid-Ohio and Eldora every year if they were ever to get Cup dates. 652. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nico, I agree Indy has become boring of late, however, it was a good race more than one time in the earlier years. I believe it can be again once NASCAR and Goodyear find a good car to tire combination. Obviously they haven't been trying hard enough I'm just saying it is possible if the suddenly make the effort. Also, it is THE most historic race track in the United States and should be a part of the biggest American racing series. It is no worse than Pocono and we do that dance twice a year as opposed to the one time at Indy. They should also drop Indianpolis from Nationwide and Indy Lights. The tracks should be reserved for the elite of the elite forms of racing and the elite of the elite race car drivers. I'm sorry, but Wade Cunningham, Esteban Guerrieri, Peter Dempsey and Josef Newgarden don't deserve to say they won at Indianapolis. Brad Keselowski is a cup champion, but even he shouldn't have the right to say he has won Indy because he beat a bunch of armatures. 653. Cornys posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They should also drop Indianpolis from Nationwide and Indy Lights. The tracks should be reserved for the elite of the elite forms of racing and the elite of the elite race car drivers. I'm sorry, but Wade Cunningham, Esteban Guerrieri, Peter Dempsey and Josef Newgarden don't deserve to say they won at Indianapolis. Brad Keselowski is a cup champion, but even he shouldn't have the right to say he has won Indy because he beat a bunch of armatures." This ^. Indy always used to be special because only special people raced there... now it's really not true. Nationwide and Lights need to go (even though the Lights were CRAZY this year ;) ) 654. Chives5150 posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, I do have to agree with you to some extent that the ringers can get over-aggressive, seeing as they don't have to worry about the championship, but I just like to see some "newer" or different faces on the grid. They certainly add to the excitement that is road course racing. I do think that, for the teams that are on a lower budget or in a precarious position in the points and can't afford to bring home a wrecked racecar that do have a road ringer driving for them, I expect those owners to tell those drivers to drive smarter and more conservative. That's just my take on that whole situation. 655. David posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brad Keselowski is a cup champion, but even he shouldn't have the right to say he has won Indy because he beat a bunch of armatures." Yeah...winning over paper mache skeletons isn't impressive AT ALL. (couldn't resist) 656. Baker posted: 06.18.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Haha well if you're going to have a typo at least make it funny right? 657. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.18.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That reminds me how the late Tony Hulman used to say that racing at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway was like a circus, and the circus comes to town only once a year. In other words, the only race at Indianapolis every year should be the 500. 658. The Long Shot posted: 06.18.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Still more amusing than it is now. HAR HAR HAR :P" As the kids say these days, true dat. :P "Baker, I do have to agree with you to some extent that the ringers can get over-aggressive, seeing as they don't have to worry about the championship, but I just like to see some "newer" or different faces on the grid. They certainly add to the excitement that is road course racing." Agreed. It's nice to see some diversity in the field every now and again. 659. 13 posted: 06.18.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i watched a video on Roush fenways FaceBook page ans the guy mentioned that Marcos Ambrose will drive there 16 car at Mid-Ohio 660. The Long Shot posted: 06.18.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, if that's true, then that's very strange news, 13. Richard Petty and Jack Roush have no prior relationship, at least none that I've heard of, so the fact that one of Petty's drivers is driving for Roush is odd news indeed. While this is just a guess, one possibility is that Roush and Petty are preparing a move that would send Bayne to RPM and Ambrose to Roush. 661. cjs3872 posted: 06.19.2013 - 12:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually The Long Shot, Roush and Petty have worked together as Ford's top teams since Petty moved to Ford in 2010, until Penske rejoined the Ford ranks this year. In fact, Roush credited Kenny Francis, then the crew chief for the #9 car at RPM for Kasey Kahne, for turning his team and cars around, because they were lost in the first half of 2010, so much so that people actually wondered if Ford would go winless for the first time since 1977. But Francis and the guys at RPM gave them the information that turned their season around, mainly in the suspension settings, which helped set up Carl Edwards' run for the title in 2011, which came up a point short. And given the utter lack of performance by Marcos Ambrose this year, as well as the current plight of the Wood Brothers, running just a third of the races and seeming to be on their way out, combined with the fact that Trevor Bayne has finally showed signs of life, leads me to believe that Bayne may end up the #9 Cup car next year, and Ambrose may end up as a possibility in the #21 car next year. Remember that he drove for the Wood Brothers a few years ago, both in the Truck Series the brief time they had a truck team, as well as in the road course races in the Cup Series when they had that disastrous partnership with JTG a few years ago. Actually, I was one of the first posters (but not the first) that mentioned the possibility of Bayne driving the #9 car next year if Roush couldn't find sponsorship to revive his flagship #6 car, and Roush may be looking in that direction if what you suspect proves to be true, The Long Shot, because I believe Roush wants to get Bayne more Cup experience, and that may be the only way to do it. 662. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 06.19.2013 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not only would I like to see Nationwide drop IMS, I would like to see them return to IRP (or ORP/LOR, or whatever the hell it's called now) so we can once again see some great racing. That Indy Lights finish last month has been the only highlight in a LONG time for IMS (at least in my opinion). 663. 18fan posted: 06.19.2013 - 12:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambrose has looked extremely inept on ovals this year. The last couple years he looked capable of winning on an oval, but this year he has regressed considerably, especially considering that his less experienced teammate Aric Almirola is just outside the top 10 in points. 664. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:12 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) On this day, 64 years ago, the NASCAR Strictly Stock Series ran its first ever race. It was won by Jim Roper of Halstead, Kansas (I'm proud of that). And the rest is history (literally). 665. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I bet that most of the people who attended that first race never thought NASCAR would go where it has gone in these past 64 years. 666. 83andJoe posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Not only would I like to see Nationwide drop IMS, I would like to see them return to IRP (or ORP/LOR, or whatever the hell it's called now) The NHRA isn't interested in bringing IRP up to NASCAR's safety standards; the last few years Nationwide and Trucks ran there they were basically running under a wavier. Cash for improvements (like raising that backstretch wall...) would have to be coughed up, and unless the track changes ownership that's not going to happen. Also, in news, Jason Bowles will practice and qualify the #55 car for Brian Vickers this weekend as Vickers concentrates on the Nationwide #20. 667. cjs3872 posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) RCRandPenskeGuy, if NASCAR wants to keep the Nationwide Series in Indy, they have to race at IMS, because IRP isn't up to the standards of holding one of NASCAR's major series, and truthfully, their facilities and track safety haven't been up to standards for quite some time. Not to mention that the most they can get in is about 15-20 thousand. That's one reason why I don't think the Truck Series will ever race in Indianapolis again, and why it's either IMS or bust for the Nationwide series there. IRP is severely outdated, and has been for about 8-10 years, if not longer than that. And SpeedWorld97, remember that back in those days, Indy was more an event than a race, because to be truthful, the racing was terrible there for decades. It was a rare occasion to see competitive racing past the first pit stop, especially prior to 1979, which was when they first used a pace car during caution periods. Prior to that, you pretty much knew who was going to win after 100-150 miles unless there was a mechanical failure, because they didn't bunch up the field during caution periods. Races like 1974, 1977, and 1978 were rare things, because there actually was some semblance of drama until one of the contenders dropped out, leaving the other to win in a walkover. And Mark Donohue won the 1972 race by almost four laps, and every race from 1964-'69, except for 1966, was won by at least one lap, and three of them were won by two laps, so there was hardly any late-race drama, except for mechanical failures changing the outcome, which otherwise was already written long before the halfway mark. 668. Paul posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:47 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I'm very excited to see the high number of road course ringers this week." I'm surprised that Brian Vickers will be pulling double duty this weekend, driving the #20 JGR Nationwide car at Road America on Saturday, then driving the #55 MWR Cup car at Sonoma on Sunday. Even Kyle Busch, Brad Keselowski, and Joe Nemechek (the three most prominent double duty NASCAR drivers today) are sticking to one series for the weekend. I'm concerned about how Vickers' focus will be deterred from having to race in two different locations in the country on back-to-back days, especially since he can't build any type of consistency in Nationwide this season. This may come off as a surprise, but if I were MWR, I would have put Michael Waltrip in the #55 car for Sonoma now that Vickers has a Nationwide ride (which he didn't have last season). Mikey doesn't have obligations for FOX like he had earlier this season, plus he enjoys road course racing and Sonoma was statistically one of his best tracks while racing in Cup (He finished 4th after starting 40th in 2004.), and I'm sure his sponsors wouldn't have a problem representing him for one extra race either. It'll be interesting to see how well Vickers performs this weekend because of that hectic schedule. "I just heard that Todd Bodine will be replaced by Brett Moffitt in the 13 truck at Kentucky." If Bodine wanted to keep his ride, he should have went out there and kicked some ass on the track while he had a chance, knowing fully well that he wasn't guaranteed a full schedule (just like the previous three seasons). His two teammates have won three races and would be 1-2 in the points if not for Sauter's penalty earlier this season, while Bodine has 0 top ten finishes and average finish of 18.4. Bodine was a very talented driver in his day, as evidenced by his two Truck titles and years of winning for sub-par Busch Series teams, but his time in the sun has passed and now it's time to step aside gracefully and let someone else try and make a name for themselves. ""I hate seeing veterans get elbowed out of rides in favor of kids with $$."" Bodine must not be too familiar with Moffitt's success in K&N Pro Series East. In five seasons he's got 9 wins, a top five percentage of 60.3%, and has never finished worse than 3rd in points in that series. Aside from arguably having a low race IQ (Moffitt has been known to push the car too hard at the wrong points, and then fade once he loses the lead.), there aren't too many knocks against Moffitt as to why he shouldn't get a shot in a national NASCAR series. On the other hand, Bodine has several knocks against him, with age and depletion of skills ranked up at the top. "Thank you webmaster for deleting those satire posts and Anthony's spam." Glad I was gone all day and missed all that nonsense. Satirical and/or spam/troll comments have no place on Racing-Reference. They make us look bad, which in turn makes the site look bad. Also, don't respond to trolls either, especially not on a deceased driver's page. The other day I went through the comments section on Jason Leffler's page, and to my chagrin, I saw about 30-40 comments about how cowardly the trolls are for "thumbing down" several heartfelt comments and how the Webmaster should get rid of that feature. It wasn't the right place or time to voice such frustrations, and you only give that person(s) credibility by responding to their actions. Just something to keep aware of in the future. "Where does Sean hide?" He's mostly working on his website and playing in scrabble tournaments. Also, I've had a few conversations with him and while he's been following the IndyCar Series very closely this season, there isn't much to the current NASCAR season that particularly interests him enough to care about the races, much less leave on a comment on a race's page. But I'm sure that if you guys start a discussion on NASCAR from the '80s or '90s, he'd be happy to chime in and give you his take on an issue from back then. "Jason Bowles will practice and qualify the #55 car for Brian Vickers this weekend as Vickers concentrates on the Nationwide #20." Bowles should have a full-time NASCAR ride. He did a very nice job in Randy MacDonald's Nationwide car last year, finishing 13th in the points. It's a shame that he's only gotten a handful of attempts this season in one of Curtis Key's start-and-park cars, but I guess it's better than not showing up to the race track at all. Bowles has a passion for racing, and whether it's racing a full distance car for an underfunded team, start-and-parking for an underfunded team, or working in an office as a sales rep for a motorsports clothing store (His real life non-racing job.), he's willing to do whatever it takes to succeed in NASCAR. I have mad respect for him and what he does in order to make a living in hopes of becoming a successful NASCAR driver. 669. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 4:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darn, I just realized that this weekend debuts the group qualifying format in Cup. Should be interesting to watch. 670. 83andJoe posted: 06.19.2013 - 4:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Bodine must not be too familiar with Moffitt's success in K&N Pro Series East. That wasn't Bodine saying that, that was a response to the tweet on his Twitter announcing that Moffitt would be in the truck. 671. Peter posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) You guys need to all stop worrying about what other people think of your posts, and stop complaining about others "thumbing down" your posts. And who cares if someone decides to create a satirical post every now and then? I mean, if they get too overbearing and obnoxious, sure, then maybe you have the right to call them out, but for now, just chill the f**k out...and let's talk about racing. It's gotten a little too PC here...And one more thing. If people thumb down the posts on Jason Leffler's driver page, who...the hell...cares??? 672. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am kind of fascinated... this weekend Alex Kennedy will be the first driver named "Alex" in a Cup race. 4th most popular name, but first NASCAR Cup race. 673. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I am kind of fascinated... this weekend Alex Kennedy will be the first driver named "Alex" in a Cup race. 4th most popular name, but first NASCAR Cup race." Wow. I never knew that. Well in that case, go fellow Alex! 674. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot... you're really an Alex? 675. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yep. I am, always have been, and always will be an Alex. 676. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK... this is weird... I'm an Alex too, plus we have the poster who goes by Alex. 677. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What do you guys make of the daytona renovations and rebuild 678. jabber1990 posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) wait so the first NASCAR ever ran was won by a guy from Kansas? I had a badly worded joke to go with it, but im too scared to post it (not to make fun of Kansas, more of NASCAR) I heard a rumor (on this site) that that track they raced at is now part of Charlotte-Douglas Airport, or owned by it or something. anyone know if thats true? 679. jabber1990 posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) also, how much of Daytona is original? I mean what parts of it were there in 1959 when it opened? I know the track and the walls, but as for the grandstands I say that because I would like to see that all remain the same, of course maybe modernise and update/upgrade it and if its broken please fix it 680. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "wait so the first NASCAR ever ran was won by a guy from Kansas? I had a badly worded joke to go with it, but im too scared to post it (not to make fun of Kansas, more of NASCAR)" Go for it. Actually, it was what is now the Sprint Cup Series. The NASCAR Modified Series started in 1948 "He's mostly working on his website and playing in scrabble tournaments. Also, I've had a few conversations with him and while he's been following the IndyCar Series very closely this season, there isn't much to the current NASCAR season that particularly interests him enough to care about the races, much less leave on a comment on a race's page. But I'm sure that if you guys start a discussion on NASCAR from the '80s or '90s, he'd be happy to chime in and give you his take on an issue from back then." Yeah, I guess so. I should get over to the IndyCar race pages more often, especially since I want to learn more about that series. I was reading the comments from the 2012 Watkins Glen race yesterday, and it seemed like he commented more then. But then again, that was a different year. This year' NASCAR, as you said, doesn't interest him much. And Motorsports Analytics fired him. So, he's gone back to playing Scrabble. That is a fun board game, but I prefer Risk, mainly for the strategy and analytical thinking. Besides, who doesn't like a good war game every once in awhile? Anyway, maybe someday we will see him around these parts again. "Glad I was gone all day and missed all that nonsense. Satirical and/or spam/troll comments have no place on Racing-Reference. They make us look bad, which in turn makes the site look bad. Also, don't respond to trolls either, especially not on a deceased driver's page. The other day I went through the comments section on Jason Leffler's page, and to my chagrin, I saw about 30-40 comments about how cowardly the trolls are for "thumbing down" several heartfelt comments and how the Webmaster should get rid of that feature. It wasn't the right place or time to voice such frustrations, and you only give that person(s) credibility by responding to their actions. Just something to keep aware of in the future." As for satire, I have no problem with it, when it's done in moderation. Every now and then it can be really funny. I think the main reason we did it after the All-Star Race was that we were depressed at seeing Jimmie Johnson win AGAIN, and that was our way of dealing with it. At this point, I think maybe we should lay off of it for a while. "It's gotten a little too PC here" I agree. Just a little. 681. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 11:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I went to the Charlotte Speedway Wikipedia page, and used the coordinates they listed and it brought me here (for all I know this may not even be it): http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.238517,-80.943757&q=loc:35.238517,-80.943757&hl=en&t=h&z=15 682. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's pretty darned close to where it really was. The track WAS on Wilkinson Blvd. 683. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I know the track and the walls, but as for the grandstands I say that because I would like to see that all remain the same, of course maybe modernise and update/upgrade it and if its broken please fix it" Actually, the walls weren't even there. They were guardrails back then. Unless, of course, that's what you meant. 684. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I forgot to mention that I want it to remain the same, as well. 685. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's all about NASCAR spending money on themselves to generate media attention. Daytona has no need for improvements and the attention spent on reducing seats and turning Daytona into a glamor party could be directed toward selling those seats to a Bruton track or moving them to a Cup track that actually could use those seats, like Loudon. 686. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey. You called? In addition to my own site, I also have a gig entering archived box scores for Sports Reference LLC. I had a deadline of June 15 to meet to enter the game-level box score data for all NBA/BAA box scores back to 1947 on basketball-reference and I um...just made it. I had kind of procrastinated in previous weeks, so after I made my long post about Penske last weekend, I didn't think I really had time to post through last Saturday. Right at this instant though, I have no work. I fully expected the Michigan races to be shitty and even though I only have basic cable I didn't even bother to watch Nationwide (NASCAR races at Michigan haven't been good lately, plus the track was repaved which should make it even worse), although I was pleasantly surprised when I found out how few Buschwhackers competed that day. Even though my work was complete, I didn't watch the first half of the Cup race either. Didn't feel up to it. It was apparently weird (and I saw leader after leader DNF, like all those old Dover/Pocono races from the '90s), but weird isn't always good. Happy Biffle won. He's one of the few relevant drivers left I unambiguously like. I've had three major obsessions in recent years: this, competitive typing (which I care about even less at this point, even though I have shown the most talent at it), and competitive Scrabble. Not to mention that even BESIDES THAT I find myself going off and reading random crap online for hours at a time. Yeah, I just sometimes fall in and out of one of my obsessions for years at a time - just like Paul says he wasn't watching in 2010-11 or something, I stopped watching all racing entirely in 2003 and the first half of 2004 (the end of my senior year of high school and my freshman year of college), and you can imagine my shock at many, many things when I came back. Lucky Dog? Chase? Where did all the Pontiacs go? The Southern 500 was moved? CART declared bankruptcy? All the old CART drivers I loved watching in the late '90s have replaced all the old IRL drivers? Who the hell is Kasey Kahne? WTF? My present site prevents that for the moment, but I haven't even been all that excited keeping that up. When I have so many different obsessions simultaneously, I kind of fail at all of them. This site keeps getting better while I'm stagnating (and went like 2 weeks without keeping up with current races to focus on my paid basketball-reference work.) While I am capable of beating even top 50 North American Scrabble players 20-25% of the time, and even beat Ben Schoenbrun live barely one month before he had the best tournament result of the decade (I did get very lucky) my overall tournament record still depresses me, especially considering Siddharth Murali, who has also played in only four tournaments, is now rated 300 points higher than me and is already an expert, even though based on our online play, we are equals (and we both agree on this). So he must be bringing a more positive attitude to tournaments or something while I'm choking. He is the Jeff Gordon to my Kyle Busch. Relatively of course. Neither of us are STARS in Scrabble. Even Ben isn't YET. And my life in general hasn't been that great either. I've been juggling a myriad of balls and perpetually dropping them all, so yeah, sometimes I can't bring myself to post much of anywhere. And I don't know why I'm saying all this HERE. "So, he's gone back to playing Scrabble. That is a fun board game, but I prefer Risk, mainly for the strategy and analytical thinking. Besides, who doesn't like a good war game every once in awhile?" Strategy and analytical thinking is every board game ever, by the way. My Scrabble strategy is better than my word knowledge, and you'd probably only need to study 5000 words or so (out of the 80000+ in the dictionary) to be able to compete with experts, with good strategy. To BE an expert, you need more (bear in mind that most people already know at least 1/3 of the words anyway, and words with improbable letters like mugwump, etc... aren't worth studying...I happen to KNOW mugwump from history classes, but just sayin'...) Word knowledge isn't all that important (except at the very, very top levels), 1700-rated players with sketchy word knowledge (who know all the relevant words, but not the obscure ones) quite often beat the 2000 experts who know all the words, and while the superior player wins less often than in chess or go, the superior player wins much more often than in most truly luck-based games (poker, etc...) It's much, much more than luck (obviously, if Nigel Richards can win 4 out of the last 5 National Scrabble Championships and 2 of the last 3 world championships with TWO DIFFERENT DICTIONARIES.) I think Scrabble > Risk, and better at evaluating talent, but I DO happen to like Risk. It's far less generic than the many Monopoly clones. "Yeah, I guess so. I should get over to the IndyCar race pages more often, especially since I want to learn more about that series." I actually post there far less often than I post on the NASCAR side because there isn't much conversation going on over there. "And Motorsports Analytics fired him." This certainly is part of it too. I realized I was way, way, way too outspoken and obnoxious to David Smith here, and I need to be less brutally honest and more considerate toward other people, especially when I'm misinformed on some stuff, which I definitely was when I posted those rants. At least I had them deleted. Now in my next post, I will respond to all the racing-related stuff I've been ignoring the last week, since I certainly have the time. 687. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I somewhat envy you, Sean. I'm a jackass of all trades, but there is literally not one thing I excel at. 688. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, check that. Based on Dover and Michigan, I have the power to curse Jimmie Johnson. 689. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey. You called?" No. Not really. "I fully expected the Michigan races to be shitty and even though I only have basic cable I didn't even bother to watch Nationwide" I didn't watch Nationwide either, but apparently it was pretty good. "Strategy and analytical thinking is every board game ever, by the way." Gee, really? Darn. Pictionary doesn't strike me as a strategic game, though. Neither does Trivial Pursuit (or Scene It). And both are favorites of mine, though I haven't played the latter in a REALLY long time. "I think Scrabble > Risk, and better at evaluating talent, but I DO happen to like Risk. It's far less generic than the many Monopoly clones" Yeah, luck plays a lot less into Scrabble. In Risk, almost the entire game depends on the dice roll and the Risk cards you draw (for instance, last time I played with my brother and sister, my sister was the first out of the game, and my brother was the one who knocked her out, so he got her Risk cards, all but sealing my fate. I did hang on for a couple more rounds, though). Although, you do have to know where to place your troops, especially when you are picking territories at the beginning of the game. And you really have to know when to STOP attacking, to avoid spreading your troops too thin. And it helps to not commit one of the classic blunders, i.e. "never get involved in a land war in Asia" (thanks Vizzini). In Scrabble, the only lucky part is what tiles you draw. "and while the superior player wins less often than in chess or go, the superior player wins much more often than in most truly luck-based games (poker, etc...)" Man, I forgot about chess!! Best game ever. I'm fairly good at it. I showed someone else how to play it, and now he beats me on a regular basis. Chess is so fun. I wouldn't want to play in a chess tournament, though, because those are usually timed, and I don't want to be rushed. Poker, on the other hand, is 99.9% luck. The only skill part is keeping a poker face (which is probably harder than I think), and how many cards you're exchanging, if you're playing five-card draw. "This certainly is part of it too. I realized I was way, way, way too outspoken and obnoxious to David Smith here, and I need to be less brutally honest and more considerate toward other people, especially when I'm misinformed on some stuff, which I definitely was when I posted those rants. At least I had them deleted." It was one of my comments that set you off. Sorry about that. 690. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I HAVE been following the thread. I really liked the most versatile driver aspect to it. Unlike in the '60s when a core of star drivers (A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, Parnelli Jones, Mark Donohue, Dan Gurney, etc...) drove in pretty much everything, things are very specialized now. It's why I started rooting for Tony Stewart and JPM when they arrived in Cup, who attempted to make crossovers few others were trying, but I got sick of both of them eventually. I'm glad Robby Gordon wasn't mentioned. I think his versatility is highly overrated by a lot of NASCAR fans who don't see the entire picture. Yes, he won 2 CART races at the height of CART, but neither of them was particularly impressive. He won at Phoenix after Michael Andretti LET HIM PAST thinking he was a lap down. He won at Belle Isle (the Detroit street course where it's usually impossible to pass, although the races were strangely decent this year) from the pole, but only won because he went on an alternate pit strategy that ended up working out after losing the lead to Al Unser, Jr., and to win at Belle Isle from the pole like that is not impressive either. He then had an absolutely miserable CART season in '96 leading to his switch to Cup, and burned his life-long career bridge with Ford at the Road America race costing him Bobby Rahal's ride when Rahal retired shortly thereafter (which Max Papis eventually got and won with) when he intentionally grenaded his engine, and trash-talked the Ford engines calling them a "pig on the straights", right before Michael Andretti WON in a Ford engine after Al Unser, Jr. blew his Mercedes engine on the last lap of the race. Bob Varsha had one of the greatest deadpan snarker lines of all time when he said, "That crackling sound you hear in the background is bridges being burned, I'm afraid". And well, as well all know, Robby would keep doing that stuff in NASCAR. That race (the 1996 Texaco/Havoline 200) was freaking HILARIOUS by the way (start-to-finish) and is one of the all-time CART classics. I highly recommend people here watch it. Right after Robby's (probably intentional) engine failure, Christian Fittipaldi had his car stop on the track and he ran across the track in one of its most dangerous sections UNDER GREEN-FLAG CONDITIONS, and he did that AGAIN at Cleveland in 2000 (I think). And later he raced in NASCAR, hahaha. But back to Robby. Robby barely finished top 20 in points and Gil de Ferran replaced him in 1997 and finished 2nd in points (he did go winless, and the cars weren't great, but to me, this just proves how far Robby was behind the REAL stars in CART, like de Ferran for instance...) He did win the 24 Hours of Daytona in class several times driving for Jack Roush with a variety of teammates including Mark Martin, Wally Dallenbach, and Tommy Kendall, but man, with a team like THAT, you'd kind of expect an overall win, wouldn't you (and I do think the class Roush was competing in, although not the absolute best class, was competitive enough to win the overall event). Robby also went winless in several starts in the Indy 500 even though he was one of the only CART winners competing against a bunch of IRL mediocrities, his NASCAR win at Loudon certainly wasn't particularly impressive, and even his road course record pales in NASCAR (or in general) when compared to Montoya and Ambrose, who were PROLIFIC winners and champions in CART and V8 Supercar, respectively, while Robby was always a second-tier guy everywhere to me. He probably had the POTENTIAL for first-tier talent, but never realized it. He kinda reminds me of Peeves from the Harry Potter books. A spirit of chaos who is always entertaining but seems to have no purpose in the overall plot. Maybe that's a bit mean... Robby's only real greatness, for better or for worse, has been in the deserts, and I think it's AWESOME that he is trying to revive indoor stadium truck racing. HE is going back to his roots, something you'd never see his old buddy Jimmie Johnson do (really, they're old buddies from their desert truck racing days! That's why Jimmie thanked Robby, not just Rick Mears, for paving the way when he won his first Brickyard, and that's why Robby pulled over for Jimmie on the last lap at Phoenix in 2005 when he was battling Stewart for the championship...I wonder if Robby's as sick of Jimmie now as the rest of us are). John Andretti is one driver who doesn't get enough respect as far as bringing it in several seasons. He also won in CART and in Cup (okay, one fewer race in each than Robby won) but I personally find his wins more impressive. Despite what some NASCAR fans said in the early '90s about CART sucking because of how easy it was for Andrettis and Unsers to backpedal their way into top rides instead of fresh talents (a myth which ACTUALLY NEVER HAPPENED. Mario Andretti, Michael Andretti, Al Unser, and Al Unser, Jr. deserved their top-tier rides while no other Andrettis or Unsers ever had one). I think John Andretti deserved one. He won the CART season opener, the first race on the Streets of Surfers Paradise, Australia in 1991 driving for Jim Hall, who did win a CART title with Johnny Rutherford in 1980, but had no wins BETWEEN then and Gil de Ferran's two wins in 1995 and 1996, and considering how impressive de Ferran was for Penske, where he was EASILY better than Castroneves, I do wonder what John Andretti could have done in a Penske/Ganassi/Newman-Haas kind of ride. Like, what if when Nigel Mansell and Mario Andretti simultaneously retired at the end of 1994, they were replaced by Michael Andretti and John Andretti, given Newman-Haas's loyalty to the Andretti family? That team would have been AWESOME. Not that Michael Andretti and Paul Tracy WASN'T. But John Andretti had already gone to NASCAR... Okay, cool. He ended up winning at two vastly different tracks, one for Cale Yarborough's team (which never won for any other driver, including guys like Dick Trickle and Dale Jarrett, so that's not necessarily unimpressive, although it was at Daytona and the #98 had nailed the setup there in 1996-97 generally), and the last win for the real Petty Enterprises (RPM to me is a different team) at MARTINSVILLE! And coming from a lap down! And then he remained loyal to the team even after it tanked thanks to losing Robbie Loomis to the #24 car. Kind of a sad story. And then Richard Petty ended up replacing him with Christian Fittipaldi?!?!?! I like Christian, but he drove for Newman-Haas as Michael Andretti/Cristiano da Matta's teammate for SEVEN years and won TWO races (yes, he had some injury-shortened seasons). In his SPECIALTY. John Andretti certainly would have won more than 2 races given that, and replacing him with all his Cup experience with somebody like that is asinine. If you wanted to replace him with some open wheel driver, at least let it be somebody with a lot of oval success like Kenny Brack or something. That boggled the mind. Sometimes I wonder if John Andretti would have had better luck if he didn't have the last name Andretti, and therefore higher expectations. But having said that, he greatly overachieved regardless. Not to mention his 24 Hours of Daytona OVERALL win (yes, overall, Robby), making the NHRA finals in a Top Fuel event, having a couple decent finishes at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. No, I wouldn't posit John Andretti as one of the most diverse drivers ever, but his career has ALWAYS deserved more attention. Hell, even Lake Speed does. He somehow beat Ayrton Senna to win the World Karting Championship in 1978, then spontaneously switched from the F1 path to the NASCAR path, where he thought he'd have more success, and overachieved in a lot of bad rides but never really got a serious opportunity. I'd have loved to see what either of those two could have done with even the opportunities Robby had. (I do think Robby had more talent than either btw, but was a lot less mature.) 691. Eric posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kubica Fan Ireland , My thoughts on the Daytona renovations and rebuild are mixed at best. I am saying that because this is the 2nd time international Speedway Corporation has cut the amount of seating for the track. I am saying that because the track went from 162,000 to 147,000 fans. The plan is put it at 101,000. I also question lowering the amount of seats when there is plans of adjusting prices for making up the loss of the seats. The extent ISC is planning to lower attendance shows the shape of the sport NASCAR is besides the shape ISC is in. 692. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with cjs. I would say Dan Gurney was the best NASCAR road racer ever, then Tim Richmond, THEN Jeff Gordon, THEN Tony Stewart. But you can really argue most of those guys any way I suppose... Glad to see the Paul Newman discussion too. He was actually a pretty freaking good driver at an old age (2 Trans-Am wins in his 60s, finishing 2nd overall in the 24 Hours of Le Mans in his 50s). Steve McQueen is considered slightly better as far as celebrity drivers are concerned (and there are always a couple around - right now it's Patrick Dempsey and David Heinemeier Hansson, the inventor of the computer programming language Ruby on Rails! They're both pretty good too...) but Newman has a fantastic legacy and was a hell of a nice guy, something you couldn't say about a lot of the star actors today. Although I stated that I hated almost all powerhouse owners in F1, IndyCar, or Cup in recent years, I do make an exception for Paul Newman when he owned Newman-Haas (although I couldn't stand Carl Haas). It saddened me when that team shut down rather spontaneously after the 2011 season, even after Oriol Servia and James Hinchcliffe both did better than expected. Kinda like KV Racing Technology today, where I like Jimmy Vasser a lot and can't stand Kevin Kalkhoven (but strangely, Kalkhoven wasn't even really seen after Kanaan's Indy 500 win and apparently it's suddenly become Vasser's team primarily now?! So shouldn't it be VK? But I digress...) I've actually been disappointed with the road course ringers lately. I like Ron Fellows and Boris Said a lot, but I want to see fresher blood. We've seen way too much Fellows, Said, and Pruett over the years and they're all getting up there in age, and the more recent road course ringers don't excite me. NASCAR pretty much got all its road-course ringers (Fellows, Said, Pruett, Scott Sharp, Tommy Kendall, Wally Dallenbach - well sort of, there were some years he was basically just a glorified road course ringer) from Trans-Am, and that series has really struggled since 2000 and is nowhere near as relevant as it once was. You can just tell. Tomy Drissi and Tony Ave have been the stars, and they haven't even come close to overachieving in their cars as road course ringers. I'd rather see teams be more creative and pick drivers from other series rather than just Trans-Am, which is no longer relevant. We need some younger road course ringers. Here are some suggestions: Ryan Dalziel (the best sports car driver in the world last year). Colin Braun (who has NASCAR experience and was a good Grand-Am driver at one point, although he's kind of faded). Jordan Taylor. Ricky Taylor. Chris Dyson. Seeing any of those guys in the field would be more exciting than most of the guys we have seen in the past few years. "You had two Scandinavian drivers, Jan Magnussen and Mattias Ekstrom, making their NASCAR debuts" YEAH! Like that! Those two were exciting, since that's thinking outside the box rather than just continuing to take Trans-Am drivers as if it's as major a league as it was in the Tommy Kendall/Scott Sharp/Ron Fellows days. One of my friends from another message board once called Magnussen the most underrated driver in the world, and since he finished 1st or 2nd in class in a Chevy Corvette for 6 straight years in the 24 Hours of Le Mans (and won A TON of American Le Mans Series races in class), he was a very good and sneaky pick even if few NASCAR fans would have heard of him at that point (and his F1 and CART careers were rather disappointing stat-wise, although he was actually competitive in more CART races than people remember). Ekstrom was a DTM champion, and DTM (the German touring car championship) is on a worldwide level considered at least comparable to any of the major national touring car series (Sprint Cup, V8 Supercars, BTCC, etc...) We've seen what Ambrose has done as a V8 Supercars champion so it would be awesome to see champions from any of these touring series could do in NASCAR, especially since the equipment in most of them is fairly similar (or closer than NASCAR is to most sports car series anyway). Much rather see an Ekstrom type than a Tomy Drissi type. By FAR. Those two were both brilliant hires, and I would hardly consider those "weird" aspects to that race. Yeah, I didn't post about Jason Leffler because I was really busy with my work but that was indeed heartbreaking. I agree that short tracks aren't any more dangerous than the major leagues. They just run many more races. In the wake of his death, I did realize that I hadn't given enough credit to a number of USAC talents on my site (where I divide drivers into legends, superstars, contenders, and journeymen, and to make legend one only has to be legendary in one major series - so Ambrose is there because of what he did in V8 Supercars, Papis in sports cars, etc...) so I did so. Yes, I know some of my legends may be considered dubious, and I fully admit I mostly put Robby Gordon on there because some of his fans scare me. I agree IMS should be major leagues only. It sucks that all the short tracks are sliding off the Nationwide schedule because they can't afford to add safety equipment, but I guess I understand. It just means the schedules are much more diverse, and there are even fewer reasons to watch Nationwide than there were when it was Busch and there was that summer swing at Myrtle Beach, IRP, Volusia, and all those other stand-alone tracks. If we can't get some of those short tracks back, I'd be all for several more road courses on the NASCAR schedule, but Mid-Ohio for NASCAR does not excite me, since I can't even remember a good CART or IRL race there. The way Paul feels about Todd Bodine is kind of how I feel about Bobby Labonte. He's said several times he thinks I'm too hard on BL, and maybe I am, but I am actually nowhere NEAR as hard on him as I have been on Mark Martin and Jeff Burton. I think all three of them should retire at this point, but Martin post-2009 and Burton post-2008 have been very, very, VERY mediocre in highly competitive cars, while BL at least has been looking similarly mediocre in actually shitty cars, but I think his unforced early-race crash at Michigan indeed proves something, the way J.R. Hildebrand's early-race crash at the Indy 500 did (I actually said to myself, but not publicly, "His career's over" after that), and I think A.J. Allmendinger crashing unforced on lap 1 at both Detroit races will pretty much end his relationship with Penske, and I think he knows it which is why he's looking for NASCAR opportunities right now. Do I think he's THAT much of an improvement over BL? No. And I certainly think the way Hildebrand and Labonte were fired mid-season was offensive, but it's hard not to understand why a team would do so (the only reason Martin and Burton haven't also been fired is because as unprofessional as they may be, even Richard Childress and Michael Waltrip are slightly more professional about things). Wouldn't BL look SO MUCH cooler now if he had retired in victory lane at Homestead in 2003, thereby cleaving himself to the Winston Cup Era rather than having any connection to the shitty Phone Era? Especially since he hasn't won since? But I certainly do think Labonte's washed up, and his Michigan performance doesn't raise my opinion of him, I've actually been EASY on him compared to how hard I am on Martin and Burton. 693. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guess what guys? I'M AN ALEX TOO. WHAT THE HELL?!?!?! THIS IS WEIRD!!!!! I guess this is like having the name "Jeff/Geoff" in the Cup Series in the 90s, lol. 694. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "OK... this is weird... I'm an Alex too, plus we have the poster who goes by Alex." Someone needs to find out the percentile of people named Alex who grow up to be nerds, because it seems to be quite high. "Pictionary doesn't strike me as a strategic game, though. Neither does Trivial Pursuit (or Scene It)." Most trivia games aren't really a test of strategy, rather a test of knowledge. I suppose in Trivial Pursuit, there's a bit of strategy in where you want to move your piece, since unlike most board games, Trivial Pursuit allows you to move in multiple directions. "Man, I forgot about chess!! Best game ever. I'm fairly good at it. I showed someone else how to play it, and now he beats me on a regular basis. Chess is so fun. I wouldn't want to play in a chess tournament, though, because those are usually timed, and I don't want to be rushed." I suppose I'm reasonable at chess, though the only person I've played against was my sister. I also enjoy Stratego, which is kind of like a combination of chess and capture-the-flag. 695. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I didn't watch Nationwide either, but apparently it was pretty good." I didn't watch much of it, but the parts I did see were really good. NNS really has a great package at Michigan for some reason. "John Andretti is one driver who doesn't get enough respect as far as bringing it in several seasons." I agree with this for sure. He was/is so underrated in Nascar. That win he had for Petty at Martinsville was incredible. A lot of people don't remember that he spun out TWICE and was basically a lap down for most of that race. So it's a shame that that win isn't that well known by most people when it comes to "gutsiest wins" and that type of thing. 696. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You too, murb? Geez. A tip to all parents on here (so...just Dave N.): if you want your child to grow up to be a huge nerd, name him Alex. 697. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It just means the schedules are much more diverse" I obviously meant to say much less diverse. Oh, and I forgot to mention the Ambrose/Almirola thing. Yeah, the reason Almirola suddenly started being competitive on ovals (at least the cookie-cutters) late last season was because he landed Todd Parrott as his crew chief. Although Parrott isn't as great as he was 10-15 years ago I still think he's one of the all-time great crew chiefs, especially in recent years (he put freaking Elliott Sadler in the CHASE!) and he's remained relevant even when Ray Evernham, Robbie Loomis, Steve Hmiel, Robin Pemberton, Larry McReynolds, and most of his other contemporaries (everyone except Fennig, actually) are gone... Ambrose was able to do pretty good stuff on ovals with Parrott (fastest qualifying lap in decades!), but not without, and I imagine the same would hold true for Almirola. 698. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Someone needs to find out the percentile of people named Alex who grow up to be nerds, because it seems to be quite high." Everyone that I've met that has been named Alex has always been either a nerd or a major prick. Evidently I'm a total nerd that can admittedly be a prick at times, so I guess I'm doing the name pretty well, lol. 699. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gee, really? Darn. Pictionary doesn't strike me as a strategic game, though. Neither does Trivial Pursuit (or Scene It). And both are favorites of mine, though I haven't played the latter in a REALLY long time." I just don't think of games like that as board games primarily, I guess. In chess, checkers, backgammon, go, Scrabble, Risk, Monopoly, etc... the board is an essential aspect of the game. Do you NEED a board to play Trivial Pursuit? I personally think it would just be more fun to quiz questions straight out of the box without a board. And I guess that's what I see as the main difference between those games and the 'classic' board games. I certainly wouldn't count card games as board games either. These are all games that should be grouped in different categories. But some trivia games obviously DO require strategy - Jeopardy! and all its ripoffs... 700. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You too, murb? Geez." Yep. Since '94. Glad to see there are other members of the club on here. 701. AveryNH posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Robby Gordon won four straight Gto-Gts classes of the 24 hours of Daytona. All in Roush powered cars whether it was a Lincoln or a Mustang. In 1993 he came up 10 laps short of an overall win in the same year Toyota had their dominant Eagle mk III tearing up every sports car race that year, or so it seemed. However I totally agree with you Sean. John Andretti was to me always criminally underrated. 702. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alex Zanardi is neither a nerd nor a prick. I wouldn't say Alex Tagliani or Alex Bowman are either. "You too, murb? Geez. A tip to all parents on here (so...just Dave N.): if you want your child to grow up to be a huge nerd, name him Alex." Most of the regular posters here are probably nerds, so you could make that argument for almost any first name that is frequently represented on this site. 703. AveryNH posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And as an un related side note. My middle name is alex! All hail the Alex's 704. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Alex Zanardi is neither a nerd nor a prick. I wouldn't say Alex Tagliani or Alex Bowman are either." Well yeah, they aren't. I guess the racing examples are excluded from this theory. I'm just saying that most people that I've met in my life with that name are. Including myself. 705. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great... so if any one of us ever ends up on this sight even if just like starting and parking a GT car at the Rolex 24 (Which Mickey the Dunce can run if he can afford the car and the license) it will immediately turn of our nerdy personalities... Do I really want to waste my moolah like that? 706. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Great... so if any one of us ever ends up on this sight even if just like starting and parking a GT car at the Rolex 24 (Which Mickey the Dunce can run if he can afford the car and the license) it will immediately turn of our nerdy personalities..." Hahaha. No, it won't. Tons of nerdy race car drivers. Bryan Herta. Sebastien Bourdais. J.R. Hildebrand. Alan Kulwicki. Ryan Newman. Parker Johnstone. Jon Beekhuis. Robby McGehee. David Heinemeier Hansson (even most obviously). That's just for starters... I was just saying Zanardi, Tagliani, and Bowman weren't nerdy... 707. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I must agree about John Andretti being underrated as well. I mean, many would probably look at his 1997 Pepsi 400 win as a fluke for it being on a superspeedway, but he outright dominated that race, leading 116 of the 160 laps. In fact, Andretti had always seem to run well on the superspeedways in Cale Yarborough's cars. He was able to post top 5s at both Talladega races in 1997 to go with his Daytona win as well as be a contender at all the plate races in '96, even though some of the finishes didn't show for it. 708. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it's obligatory on this site to put Geoff Bodine on that nerd list too, just so DSFF doesn't freak out, lol It's funny, when I was a little kid, I picked Zanardi as my favorite CART driver just because he had the same name as me. I stopped watching CART in around 2000, so I missed him losing his legs. Only later did I go back and learn what an inspiration he was. He's for sure still one of my all time favorites. It's especially fun to go back and watch highlights of him in CART (The Pass at Laguna Seca is one of the best passes for the win of all time). He's just one of the greatest dudes ever, and it's cool to see him winning gold medals and still competing in the Paralympics and triathlons. Zanardi is just the man. Period. 709. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just for the record, how are we defining "nerd"? Know-it-all who is also slightly crazy? Okay, so that last part describes just me. Some people think that "nerd" is a derogatory term. I don't. "Hahaha. No, it won't. Tons of nerdy race car drivers...Sebastien Bourdais." Haha, I just saw a picture of Bourdais not too long ago. He even rocks the nerd look. 710. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and I forgot to mention: NERD POWER!!! NERDS UNITE!!!!!! OK, I'm done. 711. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Geoff wasn't a nerd. To quote Milhouse from The Simpsons, "I'm not a nerd, nerds are smart". That applies to Geoff. Not saying he was dumb (although he sounded dumb quite often while trying to sound like an intellect, much like Ryan Newman nowadays), but compared to his counterparts on the Winston Cup tour at the time, he was on the lower end of the intelligence scale. He was much less enlightened than his arch rival, a 9th grade dropout from a sleepy mill town in North Carolina, the guy who completely revolutionized the way business in racing was and still is conducted. Actually he was smart enough to listen to his college educated wife and soulmate and follew her advice, turning "The Intimidator" into a cash machine and the coolest superhero ever. As for games, I'm not great at any of them. Except Mario. I can kick some Koopa ass! On any platform. 712. Chives5150 posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of the whole "Grand-Am vs. Trans-Am road ringer discussion", isn't Grand-Am Road Racing owned in some form by NASCAR? If so, then it would seem like a no-brainer to grab a couple of fresher faces from Grand-Am for the road course races to go up against and eventually overtake the Trans-Am veterans. 713. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I could, I'd kick your ass DSFF. My sister was the best in her entire college, and I could beat the crap out of her any time I felt like it. Get blue-shelled 5-6 times and finish 10 seconds ahead... on 150... 714. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The way Paul feels about Todd Bodine is kind of how I feel about Bobby Labonte. He's said several times he thinks I'm too hard on BL, and maybe I am, but I am actually nowhere NEAR as hard on him as I have been on Mark Martin and Jeff Burton." Well, Labonte does have a -0.179...oh, wait...er...52.5 average driver rating this year. I think this year, Martin's age has finally caught up to him. He's just not doing very well at all, compared to recent years. And while Burton's shown slight improvement this year, it's improvement over garbage performance last year, so it's not really impressive. 715. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As for games, I'm not great at any of them. Except Mario. I can kick some Koopa ass! On any platform." Any Mario Kart players out there? I'm pretty good at the Wii one. 716. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was primarily listing people with great technical knowledge (either auto engineering or computer programming). Kulwicki, Newman, and Beekhuis had/have great engineering knowledge. Johnstone, McGehee, and Hansson were probably more accomplished programmers than racers. Hildebrand won a National Merit Scholarship and got into MIT, and is even doing the Steve Urkel-style nerdy klutz thing (driving over Will Power's and blaming it on getting distracted by "dialing his knobs"? Oh yeah... Made me laugh though, but also made it no shock when he was subsequently fired...) Bourdais and Herta I mostly put on for their appearance (I'm talking about Herta's early career here) but Herta was getting an economics degree at Ohio State on-and-off while racing and he was definitely kind of an awkward guy that all the other CART drivers knew they could push around (like Zanardi's pass at Laguna Seca). Basically the equivalent of Johnny Benson in Cup at the same time, actually... I was mostly listing people with some kind of noteworthy technical/academic knowledge though. I do not think nerd and geek are derogatory anymore, but I think dork and dweeb probably still are. 717. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If I could, I'd kick your ass DSFF. My sister was the best in her entire college, and I could beat the crap out of her any time I felt like it. Get blue-shelled 5-6 times and finish 10 seconds ahead... on 150..." On Mario Kart?? If it's Wii, BRING IT ON!!! "Those two were both brilliant hires, and I would hardly consider those "weird" aspects to that race." It's more weird that they've virtually disappeared from the NASCAR road ringer crop. Other than that start Ekstrom made at Richmond later that year, we never saw either of them again. 718. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Speaking of the whole "Grand-Am vs. Trans-Am road ringer discussion", isn't Grand-Am Road Racing owned in some form by NASCAR? If so, then it would seem like a no-brainer to grab a couple of fresher faces from Grand-Am for the road course races to go up against and eventually overtake the Trans-Am veterans." Yep. That was my point. I'd much rather see somebody take a shot on Ryan Dalziel, Jordan Taylor (another great choice for a nerdy driver list), or Colin Braun than give a 25th opportunity to Boris Said (he's a cool guy and he was fast in his prime, but his NASCAR road course results are actually lacking. He always runs well and struggles to get a good finish...) 719. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, I confess to getting NASCAR Kart Racing. If you don't have it, don't bother. It's basically a NASCAR version of Mario Kart Wii. And dumber, too. Random thought: The IndyCar qualifying format for Iowa is interesting... 720. Baker posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not accusing anyone of doing so I am just asking a question here. Why does it seem like the most versatile driver starts and ends with guys who run Indy and Nascar? Other than off road trucks I didn't see another form of racing listed. Why can't Kenny Schrader be amount one of the mentioned versatile drivers? Also, it does take a different driving style to win in Trucks and Nationwide cars compared to Cup cars. Tony Stewart mentioned once he had to completely adapt to a new style of racing to learn to win in Nationwide because the cars had no power at all. 721. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, I confess to getting NASCAR Kart Racing. If you don't have it, don't bother. It's basically a NASCAR version of Mario Kart Wii. And dumber, too." Ditto. EA Sports literally ripped off Mario Kart Wii completely with this game, all the way down to the items (oil slicks instead of bananas, rockets instead of red shells, free passes instead of bullet bills, etc.). For all the Mario Kart Wii players here (just the Wii ones, this won't work on any other console), I have a link that should interest you greatly. However, I'll post it on another comment, considering comments with links can take hours to be posted. 722. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Plus, NASCAR Kart Racing absolutely adulterated the name of the sport, including making it harder to unlock Joey Logano than Richard Petty. It was of the worst quality, but at least I got it for free for testing games at EA in Maitland. My Mario Kart Wii disk broke 6 months ago :( 723. Sean posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With regard to USAC guys, many of them were also successful in NASCAR and/or IndyCar, so those would be the ones most likely to consider versatile (and these drivers are always discussed anyway: Foyt, Andretti, Unser, Gordon, Stewart...) I love Schrader's willingness to race anything, but I don't see him as having that level of dominance, even in USAC where he doesn't seem like he was as dominant as Jack Hewitt or Rich Vogler or Brian Tyler or Jason Leffler or J.J. Yeley or Pancho Carter. Schrader is more likable than any of today's stars, that's for sure. Most of the WoO stars didn't do a whole lot elsewhere. I respect dirt. I mentioned John Andretti's drag racing and sports car racing (and he has also done dirt I think), Robby Gordon's sports car stuff (failed to mention his rally racing) and desert truck racing. Most of the most versatile drivers HAVE spent time in F1, IndyCar, or NASCAR solely because that's where the money is (aside from a handful of factory sports car teams). I suppose Schrader should be mentioned if we're discussing John Andretti, but he doesn't have the depth of a Tony Stewart or something... And since Schrader and Andretti were MAINLY NASCAR drivers you have to consider that Schrader only had 2 more wins despite driving for Hendrick for 9 full seasons. 724. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another Mario Kart copy would have to be F1 Race Stars, which came out last fall. Basically it's the same thing with unusual courses based off of real locations, like a desert course in Abu Dhabi and a jungle in Sao Paolo. 725. cjs3872 posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean (#692), where did I say that Dan Gurney was the best NASCAR road racer of all-time? What I said was that he was probably the greatest road racer this country has ever produced, and that he certainly should be in the discussion when it comes to the top road course driver in NASCAR history. I would put him in my top five, but not #1 among NASCAR road course drivers. My top five would be Jeff Gordon at the top, then in no particular order, Tony Stewart, Tim Richmond, Dan Gurney, and either Rusty Wallace or Ricky Rudd (I rate those two dead even). Rounding out my top ten would be Bobby Allison, Terry Labonte, Darrell Waltrip, and Mark Martin. 726. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "EA Sports literally ripped off Mario Kart Wii completely with this game, all the way down to the items" The only thing that was even original was the zone drafting. Not even that cool. 727. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Plus, NASCAR Kart Racing absolutely adulterated the name of the sport, including making it harder to unlock Joey Logano than Richard Petty. It was of the worst quality, but at least I got it for free for testing games at EA in Maitland." I'm just amazed that so many people seem to like it. If you look at the game on Amazon.com, almost all the reviews are positive. At least one calls the weapons "well-suited to the NASCAR theme". How are rockets and dynamite "well-suited to the NASCAR theme"? 728. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Probably the best NASCAR video game of all time would be NR2003, and that game can cost hundreds of dollars online today. I enjoy playing NR2002, considering there are many similarities between the two. 729. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm just amazed that so many people seem to like it. If you look at the game on Amazon.com, almost all the reviews are positive." Let's be fair here. When I first got it, I loved it. I thought it was so cool. Until I played Mario Kart for the first time. I then realized that it was a ripoff. I enjoy Mario Kart so much more now. NASCAR Kart Racing doesn't even have a points system!! You have to win to pass the levels, and the other characters are so shallow and utterly ridiculous. I bet a lot of those people changed their minds since they wrote their review. "At least one calls the weapons 'well-suited to the NASCAR theme'. How are rockets and dynamite 'well-suited to the NASCAR theme'?" Remember, these are probably the race "fans" who like to see wrecks and destruction. 730. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When it comes to Mario Kart, I'm old school. N64. Take it or leave it. And as for best Nascar games, while I've never played NR2003 (I would love to - I've just never gotten around to buying it or buying a wheel and pedals to go with it), my favorite has to be Nascar Thunder 2004. The career mode and season modes are just awesome. Plus, the CPUs are actually difficult to beat if you turn their skill level up all the way, unlike most racing games where you can easily win every race against them. I haven't played any of the new Nascar games (like Inside Line or whatever that new one is called). The graphics look amazing of course, but I've heard that the gameplay is pretty lame. 731. 83andJoe posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >isn't Grand-Am Road Racing owned in some form by NASCAR? In fact, it's sometimes even referred to as "NASCAR Grand-Am Road Racing". 732. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Probably the best NASCAR video game of all time would be NR2003, and that game can cost hundreds of dollars online today." I've heard many people praise this game and comment about how good it is. What makes it so good? The only NASCAR games that I've played are NASCAR SimRacing (the first video game I ever owned), NASCAR 09, and NASCAR The Game: Inside Line, which has shockingly realistic controls. I haven't played SimRacing since our computer was hacked about 2 or 3 years ago (the anti-virus software that we installed basically bogged the computer down to breaking point; it appears to have shut down for good now). I've only been able to play Inside Line 3 times so far, and in each of the races that I've run, I've been at least partially responsible for about 9/10 of the cautions. My feeling on Eutechnyx is that their graphics are outstanding, and their controls are fantastic, but they haven't made a really stable NASCAR game yet. 2011 had all sorts of online glitches, including cars wrecking while coming to the green flag. Even Inside Line has it's fair share of issues (the amount of AI pit road accidents on this game is unbelievable). 733. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, I just read some of the reviews on Amazon and someone actually compared it to NASCAR simulators, saying it was "a lot more fun." It could just be me, but I actually enjoy realistic racing on a real track a LOT more than any NASCAR fantasy game. 734. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "When it comes to Mario Kart, I'm old school. N64. Take it or leave it." I've never played any Mario Kart other than the Wii one, although I've been considering purchasing Double Dash off of eBay or somewhere. From what I've heard, this is how most people rank the Mario Karts: 1. Wii 2. N64 3. DS 4. GCN 5. 3DS 6. GBA 7. SNES The reason Mario Kart 7 is ranked so low is because although the tracks on that game are phenomenal (Music Park, Neo Bowser City, and Rainbow Road in particular), the game itself was not that fun to play. Most of the Mario Kart Youtubers that I follow went MK7-happy for about 2 months, but then turned back around and went back to posting Mario Kart Wii videos, mainly because Mario Kart 7 just doesn't have a lot of replay value, whereas Mario Kart Wii does. Forgive me for elaborating on this subject. I could probably talk about Mario Kart for hours on end. 735. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've heard many people praise this game and comment about how good it is. What makes it so good?" It's not even really a game. It's more or less a full on simulator. Several well known racers actually used to play and train on it. Denny Hamlin even used it to help him get a grasp of Pocono his rookie year. Now there are other simulators out like iRacing, so I think most people have switched over to that. But NR2003 is one of the originals. I'm sure Paul can tell you a lot more about it, because I'm pretty sure he's an avid NR2003 user. Like I said before, I've always wanted to get it, but I've just never gotten around to it. Hopefully one day... 736. Baker posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Even in USAC itself there are guys who can win in midgets, silver crown or sprints, but they are not versatile enough to win in all three. I have been witness to World of Outlaws, Late Model, Cup, Nationwide, Truck, Indy, Sports Cars, ARCA, IROC, Midget and Silvercrown victories for Tony Stewart. I have seen him win on dirt, concrete and asphalt. I have seen him win championships in 2 different series. I have seen championships under 3 different points formats and 2 different crew chiefs. He has wins on every type of track and a lot multiple times. In my honest opinion Tony Stewart is far and away the greatest pure racer and most versatile driver in the last 40 years. I will defend my self to the end on this one. I know a lot of people dislike Tony Stewart and I will be the first to admit he has his flaws. Tony Stewart did not become my favorite driver because of his attitude or because of his professionalism or likeability. I am not arguing his versatility because he is my favorite driver. Stewart became my favorite driver long ago because of his versatility. I firmly believe if there were such a series that ran equal equipment in a variety of different cars on ovals, road, street, dirt and paved Tony Stewart in his prime and maybe even now would be the odds on favorite. 737. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I've heard many people praise this game and comment about how good it is. What makes it so good?" Basically because you have the realistic racing atmosphere as well as the ability to download thousands of custom made paint schemes that were made years after the game was released, like 2010 Nationwide paint schemes. Also, you could download other custom made tracks like a 30 degree banked Indianapolis Motor Speedway someone made. To be honest, I chose the cheaper method by buying NR2002, which has the same great features for hundreds of dollars less. 738. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've never played any Mario Kart other than the Wii one, although I've been considering purchasing Double Dash off of eBay or somewhere." You should pick that one up. I have Double Dash for Gamecube, and I highly recommend it. Double Dash is probably my second favorite behind the N64 one, mainly because I grew up playing the 64 version. 739. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "When it comes to Mario Kart, I'm old school. N64. Take it or leave it." I haven't had the opportunity to play that yet. Once I do, give me a few minutes to master it. :) "And as for best Nascar games, while I've never played NR2003 (I would love to - I've just never gotten around to buying it or buying a wheel and pedals to go with it), my favorite has to be Nascar Thunder 2004." I REALLY want to get NR2003 sometime, then update it. I haven't got Thunder 2004. The only EA games I've got, in addition to the kart game, are NASCAR 08 and 09 (both for PS2). "I haven't played any of the new Nascar games (like Inside Line or whatever that new one is called). The graphics look amazing of course, but I've heard that the gameplay is pretty lame." What?!?! Inside Line (which IS the new one) is pretty awesome, especially with the highlights DLC (even if they are FREAKING HARD to pass). "I've heard many people praise this game and comment about how good it is. What makes it so good?" It lends itself to updates well. It's actually the base code for iRacing. 740. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another fun game/simulator I enjoyed was NASCAR Legends, which I was able to find online and buy a few years ago. It's like most other simulators except it takes place during the 1970 season, and there are the many legends like Bobby Allison and his #12 Coca-Cola car or even John Sears' #4 car that you can drive. Also the game features many tracks of that time, like Riverside, North Wilkesboro, Bowman Gray Stadium and the old Texas Speedway. However, due to licensing issues of that time, the game does not have Daytona. 741. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I grew up playing N64 and NES... kids... 742. Schroeder51 posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know NASCAR Kart Racing has a very negative reputation as a Mario Kart ripoff, but out of curiosity... ...What did everyone think of the old PlayStation game, NASCAR Rumble? It's another game similar to Mario Kart, except I think it was a LOT better than NASCAR Kart Racing. I used to play that game all the time with one of my cousins when I was a kid! I had a blast laying down bad gas for my cousin to run over and firing off tornadoes like a madman. 743. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My favorite for racing was Mario Kart Wii... it drove like a car... overall my favorite was N64 or GCN... GBA version had too many cheap shots. 744. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "To be honest, I chose the cheaper method by buying NR2002, which has the same great features for hundreds of dollars less." Are you absolutely sure?? You can update it exactly the same way and everything? Because if I get it, and it turns out to be undesirable, I will find you. What happens next is too graphic for words. Just kidding. I haven't seen you around much, SpeedWorld97. Did you just start commenting here? 745. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You should pick that one up. I have Double Dash for Gamecube, and I highly recommend it." From what I've seen and heard, Double Dash is a pretty fun and quirky game to play, although the controls are a bit shaky. But yeah. Hopefully I'll be able to get it soon! "What?!?! Inside Line (which IS the new one) is pretty awesome, especially with the highlights DLC (even if they are FREAKING HARD to pass)." Some are fairly easy, like the 2010 Jeff Burton/Clint Bowyer Talladega finish. Others, like the 2010 Dale Jr./Kevin Harvick Martinsville finish, are really difficult. I actually passed the Dale Jr. 2010 Coca-Cola 600 finish in one try. "I grew up playing N64 and NES... kids..." (Singing) Ohhhhh, ooold maaan Nico (um,Alex), that ooold maaan Nico (no, Alex)... 746. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've had 5 NASCAR games... NASCAR 99, Thunder 2003, 2005: Chase for the Cup, Kart Racing, and The Game: 2011... I was disappointed though. I got 2005 the week it came out, and I got 2003 four years ago... I was VERY disappointed to find 2003's graphics better than 2005's, and I was even MORE disappointed that 2005's were better than 2011's, plus 2011 has almost no playing modes AND you can't do a real race weekend with practice, qualifying, happy hour, and racing like you can on 2003 and 2005. 747. AveryNH posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've always wanted Nr2003 but I never have $200 laying around to buy it on eBay. I did get Nr4 when it came out essentially bribing my mom one day in staples to buy it. I loved it to bits, even bought a dale jr themed steering wheel and pedals to use with it. I lost it around 2003 when I moved and it resurfaced two years ago. I promptly updated everything, got the newest car sets (sadly 2006 is the most recent one I can find) and all the compatible add on race tracks. A few dirt ones a bunch of indy car tracks, mid ohio, road America, even street courses. Also since it uses the same engine as f1 legends I have 1967 versions of tracks like Monaco and mosport and my fav one Rouen. It's easily the best nascar game I've ever played. 748. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Some are fairly easy, like the 2010 Jeff Burton/Clint Bowyer Talladega finish. Others, like the 2010 Dale Jr./Kevin Harvick Martinsville finish, are really difficult. I actually passed the Dale Jr. 2010 Coca-Cola 600 finish in one try." Those were 2011 highlights. And I was speaking more of the new ones that you can get with the 2013 paint schemes in DLC. 749. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) *sound of NRF pounding twit LongShot* 750. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, I began commenting here on Saturday. In fact I've been coming on this site for over a year now to find racing results and I absolutely love this site, but haven't commented on anything until now. Now that I think about it, there are more features you can download for NR2003 than 2002, proabaly since NR2002 had been the newest simulator for only one year while NR2003 had been the newest for many years. If you can afford it, go for NR2003, otherwise NR2002 is a good alternative. But between the two, NR2003 is better. 751. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Those were 2011 highlights." *kicks self in rear* Yes everybody, I do know my NASCAR history. "*sound of NRF pounding twit LongShot*" Ha ha, I deserved that. Me and my big mouth. This just popped into my mind, and I know this comment is about a month and a half late, but did DSFF and Schroeder ever run into each other at Darlington back in May? 752. AveryNH posted: 06.19.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also nascar 99 on n64 holds a special place in my heart. The sound of BP saying man oh man! Or you cant do that! As my cousin and I annihilated the competition by going around sears point backwards plowing into every car. Those were the days of my youth, me as Mark Martin him as either terry Labonte or DJ. We were just a two man wrecking crew that gave Bob and Benny fits. 753. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yes, I began commenting here on Saturday. In fact I've been coming on this site for over a year now to find racing results and I absolutely love this site, but haven't commented on anything until now." In that case, welcome aboard. "*kicks self in rear*" If you had just mentioned one and said it was 2010, I would have come up with a clever remark. But you missed ALL THREE. "Yes everybody, I do know my NASCAR history." Oh yeah? Who won the Cup race at Loudon in 1992? "This just popped into my mind, and I know this comment is about a month and a half late, but did DSFF and Schroeder ever run into each other at Darlington back in May?" No. We'd have never heard from DSFF again. 754. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you had just mentioned one and said it was 2010, I would have come up with a clever remark. But you missed ALL THREE." After I missed the first one, I just assumed the others were in the same year, so it was downhill from there. "Oh yeah? Who won the Cup race at Loudon in 1992?" Um...Lightning McQueen? No, that's not my answer! I'll say: Mark Martin? And for the record, in case you didn't catch it, my comment, "Yes everybody, I do know my NASCAR history", was sarcastic. 755. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) (After looking at results) *strangling David with his own underwear* 756. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What?!?! Inside Line (which IS the new one) is pretty awesome, especially with the highlights DLC (even if they are FREAKING HARD to pass)." Ah. Well like I said, I haven't played it yet. I've just seen reviews of it or whatever where they said the gameplay wasn't very good. I'll take your word for it though. Maybe I'll rent it or something pretty soon. "...What did everyone think of the old PlayStation game, NASCAR Rumble?" I never played it, but I'm pretty sure I would like it better than that ridiculous Nascar Kart game because it has all the old guys instead of the new guys. So I think I would like it better purely based on nostalgia. "2005: Chase for the Cup" I have this one too, for PS2. It's actually pretty good. I don't like it as much as Thunder 2004, but it's still good. It was nice because they finally added in Busch, Trucks, and Modifieds, so there is a ton of stuff to do. "Also nascar 99 on n64 holds a special place in my heart." YES!!!!! I still have that along with Nascar 2001 for PS1. The gameplay is a bit iffy in both those games, but Bob and BP make it worth while. 757. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'll say: Mark Martin?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! There was no Cup race at Loudon in 1992!! "And for the record, in case you didn't catch it, my comment, 'Yes everybody, I do know my NASCAR history', was sarcastic." That's evident now. 758. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "(After looking at results) *strangling David with his own underwear*" TEE HEE HEEHEEHEEHEEHEE hohohohohoohoohoohoohooheeheeheeheeheehahahaha. 759. Baker posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If there were are race at Loudon in 1992 I would have said Davey Allison. He was hot that year and loved flat tracks like Loudon. 760. jabber1990 posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and the last win for the real Petty Enterprises (RPM to me is a different team)" thats because RPM is a diffrent team than Petty Enterprises, which makes me wonder if the 43 car is even the same 43 car we know. did they take the #1 car of Evernham/Gillet (or whatever it was called) and the "#1" car of Petty Enterprises and thats all thats left? I have NASCAR 2 (the one by papyrus and Sierra) and I love that game, the worst part is the game is so old that its hard to find a computer that runs it. a freind of mine is working on getting rid of alot of old PC's and I was asking if I can have them so I can play that game...i've only gotten it to work on 95, 98 and ME and only on desktops (i've got an old Micron laptop with 98SE on it and it wont work on it). My stepdad likes to bitch about the fact I want a bunch of old PC's he reminds me how im wasting my time to acompish nothing in life by making an old computer play a game. I heard a rumor that you can download a few more mods to the game to include the truck series, and a few more tracks. I think I have to download that but i'll have to basicly "build" a "new" PC around it so that I can go online to download it. Every time I have an idea for a charachter in my racing stories I create them a car. it only has a small number of sponsors avaaible in the paint booth so I have to create alot of companies though. it does have McDonalds and Hooters. so one time I was bored and created an 11-car team consisting of ONLY hooters cars. I wont go into detail, yall know what I post so yea I alwasy wanted NR2003, but my parents were all "you dont need it" when it was $20 at Best Buy in 2002 or 2003, whenver it was. the reason its so popular is becasue it has so many Mods. go on youtube. half of the crash vids were made using NR2003 (Exept the ones made by jabber1990, those were made on NASCAR 2, ill post hyperlinks if you want) I never could figure out how to play the Career in NASCAR thunder 2004, is it sopose to take 3 or 4 years till you actually can pass cars? on top of that I am aggressive as hell so I wreck everyone. if you read my stats yea I have like 80 somethign wins...and 200 DNF's. on the season mode I can out-pole the field and get like 8 poles or whatever, but I always wreck out...while leading usually I also have played NASCAR 2005 Chase for the Cup, I have 4 straight titles with all the makes and with diffrent teams. im doing an experiment, im trying to double-dip and win the Nationwide and Cup series titles in the same season, its a pain to run Trucks cup and nationwide all in the same season. I havent played the game in over a year I dont remember if I actually did make a truck team and run it without a sponsor, or if I was considering it in NASCAR 2008 it wont let you run in the trucks if you are in the Cup series I think I found a loophole and I am going to try to run as many truck races as I can so that I can win the title by default (which I think I did a year or so ago) I forgot to mention that I never could figure out how to draft at Daytona and Talladega, so im missing Daytona trophies. on top of that it takes forever to catch the field and in a 12 lap race you dont have much time, especially with 4 cautions in the race. but I think they want you to 2-car tandem draft through the field, but its hard when your faster and you have 8-10 years of bad Karma 761. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! There was no Cup race at Loudon in 1992!!" You think you're soooo clever. All right, who won the season-opening NASCAR Strictly Stock race in 1950? 762. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ironically Loudon in 1993 was Davey's last race he competed in before his death. 763. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I never could figure out how to play the Career in NASCAR thunder 2004, is it sopose to take 3 or 4 years till you actually can pass cars?" Yeah, it takes a little while. You start out driving shit-boxes, and then your team gradually becomes a top 20, and later top 10 contender. The furthest I got in career mode was through like five years (and it took about six months in real life). I got up to finish like 9th in points and had a couple of wins. So it definitely takes some time, but if you dedicate yourself to it and give it some time it becomes really fun. 764. Baker posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Speedworld97, Worst day in my sports life. Seconds worst day in my sports life was the day we learned the Cleveland Browns were leaving town. The only reason Davey gets the worst is because he lost his life and had very young kids, and his parents had just lost Davey's younger brother less than a year earlier. 765. jabber1990 posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) oh I either have or had NASCAR 200 (Playstation) NASCAR heat, Thunder 2004 (Playstation and PS2) NASCAR 2005: Chase for the Cup, NASCAR 2006 (which I suck at and have no clue how to play) NASCAR 2007 (which I bought scratched) NASCAR 2008, and NASCAR 2009 you'd think I would have Dirt to Daytona, but I dont, but I did borrow it from my neighbor but had no clue how to race on dirt (then I Saw Cars...I was going to try that advice..which proves how long its been since I played that game) and yes, I do also have NASCAR rumble 766. AveryNH posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dirt to Daytona is also one of my favorites. I rented it from my local Hollywood video and never returned it. I sold it a few years back at gamestop for maybe $2. In all I think I owed like 50 bucks in overdue payments. What if my laziness/negligence caused the company to go out of business? 767. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.19.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) David, if you want to compare downloads for NR2002 and NR2003, I recommend going to NNRacing and their upload library, which has a huge amount of downloadable content made by users for pretty much every racing simulator. 768. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You think you're soooo clever." Clever enough to fool you, yes. "All right, who won the season-opening NASCAR Strictly Stock race in 1950?" Nice try. It was called "Grand National" in 1950. 769. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ah. Well like I said, I haven't played it yet. I've just seen reviews of it or whatever where they said the gameplay wasn't very good. I'll take your word for it though. Maybe I'll rent it or something pretty soon." I'd rent it first, in case I turn out to be a liar. :) But still, the gameplay is very good. 770. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) jabber, you have a long way to go... I won the Cup, Busch, Truck, and Modified titles all in the SAME season on NASCAR 2005: Chase for the Cup. I won I think about 32 Cup races (of 34), 32 Busch races (of 34), about 16 truck races (of 22) and around 15 or 16 modified (of 18). I destroyed them. Oh, and I owned my own Truck and Modified truck races AND I skipped the first 4 races of the year in the trucks. 771. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh Nico, it is ON like Donkey Kong! Literally. Meet me at Rainbow Road and prepare to get shelled. Literally! NR2003 is THE DEAL. Best racing simulation, awesome tracks to download, kick ass mods (especially the AeroWar88 feature) it is simply the best. I play it regularly to this day, driving Tim Richmond's beautiful #27 Old Milwuaee Pontiac (oddly enough, I don't feel qualified to drive an Earnhardt scheme). 772. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nice try. It was called "Grand National" in 1950." (very very very hard facepalm) Would you believe that was not intentional? I actually thought it was called Strictly Stock in 1950. My God, I need to brush up on my history again. And...cue David bursting into hysterical laughter...again. 773. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's Harold Kite anyway, the former army tank driver winning in his Cup debut... any moron would know that. 774. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, before I forget, Happy would be 116th Birthday to Moe from The Three Stooges. 775. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And...cue David bursting into hysterical laughter...again." I don't think I could top my earlier performance. 776. jabber1990 posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good God NicoRosbergFan you are a badass! I am not going to lie, I want to see somebody do that in real life, which is why I am not a fan of the "pick a series" rule. if somebody won 10 or 15 cup races (and killed in the chase), 25 Nationwide races, and 16 truck races in the same year and went on to win the title would we complain? 777. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here they are. It'll make more sense to you if you read them in order. http://www.mariokartwii.com/f99/official-mario-kart-wii-model-hacking-new-39114.html http://www.mariokartwii.com/f99/ctgp-revolution-1-02-0003-beta-no-61493.html 778. jabber1990 posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) is that NR2003 that has like the really awsome paintbooth feature its where people make their custom cars? 779. JG24FanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You Guy's should really get Dirt to Daytona if you want a good Nascar sim. 780. JG24FanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How to play Dirt to Daytona: 100% Difficulty No stability help No assist at all Manual Transmission The handling characteristics are amazingly accurate. 781. jabber1990 posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and if y'all care I have found some youtube videos on youtube that show somebody playing NASCAR 2. ill post the hyperlinks if y'all want 782. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and if y'all care I have found some youtube videos on youtube" What?!?! You found YouTube videos on YOUTUBE?!?!?! My gosh, how is this possible?!?! (I thought it was funny, anyway...) 783. murb posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "if somebody won 10 or 15 cup races (and killed in the chase), 25 Nationwide races, and 16 truck races in the same year and went on to win the title would we complain?" Would we complain? Probably, lol "You Guy's should really get Dirt to Daytona if you want a good Nascar sim." I forgot about that one. It is pretty impressive when it comes to realism, especially when you consider that it was made over ten years ago. 784. JG24FanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon facts for this race: First time since Atlanta's first event of 2005 that Jeff Gordon failed to have a high position of 15th or better. First time since loop data stats were implemented that Jeff failed to have a high position inside the Top 25. Jeff Gordon's record of 298 consecutive races with a high position of 15th or better is pretty unbelievable. 785. Baker posted: 06.19.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "if somebody won 10 or 15 cup races (and killed in the chase), 25 Nationwide races, and 16 truck races in the same year and went on to win the title would we complain?" It depends on who it was doing the dominating. People hate on Jimmie Johnson because of his sense of entitlement and arrogance in winning and the fact that his the legality of his team is in major question. People love to hate Kyle Busch because of his attitude. If, however, a new era Mark Martin, Sterling Marlin, Bobby Hamilton or Ward Burton were to rip off a streak that impressive I could see the NASCAR fan base falling head over heals just like WoO fans did with Steve Kinser and NHRA fans did with John Force. Jimmie Johnson just takes the wrong approach toward fans and his winning. He doesn't have the same charm and excitement as Kinser and Force when they were king of their divisions. It also doesn't help that his team is always in the deep end of the controversy pool. 786. JG24FanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) John Force won his 135th National event this past weekend at Bristol. 787. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) John Force is the man. 15 championships, 135 wins, still kicking ass in his 60's. Best name in racing and the best voice of all racers. 788. JG24FanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I couldn't find a post from today talking about the 64th anniversary of the first Strictly Stock race held at Charlotte. Lee Petty flipped his Buick Road-Master,his family car,in this event. Glenn Dunnaway initially won the race but was DQ'd for illegal shocks and the win was handed to Cup's first ever winner, Jim Roper. Top 10 for Nascar Cup's first win: -1. Jim Roper -2. Fontello Flock -3. Red Byron -4. Sam Rice -5. Tim Flock -6. Archie Smith -7. Sterling Long -8. Slick Smith -9. Curtis Turner (100 laps down) 10. Jimmy Thompson (125 laps down) 789. The Long Shot posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What?!?! You found YouTube videos on YOUTUBE?!?!?! My gosh, how is this possible?!?!" BRAAAAIN MELT!! "It's Harold Kite anyway, the former army tank driver winning in his Cup debut... any moron would know that." Yep. I'm definitely "any moron". 790. 13 posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of NASCAR games they all suck for the wii which is all i have the 2011 game i can have on hardest difficulty and start 43rd and lead the 1st lap at Charlotte, kinda ridiculous 791. JG24FanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "i have the 2011 game i can have on hardest difficulty and start 43rd and lead the 1st lap at Charlotte, kinda ridiculous" Buy Dirt to Daytona for the Gamecube Nintendo and you can play it on your Wii. Dirt to Daytona is the polar opposite of suck. 792. JG24FanForever posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My Top 10 favorite Racing games: -1. Dirt to Daytona (I'm the Master of this game.) -2. Formula 1 for PS1 (I've won two World Championships with a Minardi.) -3. F-Zero for SNES (I'm world class at this one,but not the Master.) -4. Gran Turismo 4 (I've won 44 Formula GT class Nurburgring races and 10 Formula GT championships.) -5. Destruction Derby 2 for PS1 (Badass!) -6. Need For Speed: High Stakes (I won 35 consecutive GT Racing championships with the Mclaren and quit.) -7. Destruction Derby for PS1 -8. Super Monaco GP for the Genesis -9. Road Rash 3 for Genesis 10. Road Rash for Genesis 793. David posted: 06.19.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I couldn't find a post from today talking about the 64th anniversary of the first Strictly Stock race held at Charlotte." Try posts #664 and #665. 794. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.19.2013 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Agreed on Dirt to Daytona, Formula 1, and Gran Turismo 4. But no racing game list is complete without NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. Still far and away the best NASCAR game out there. 795. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.19.2013 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @785: I think what you mean is, Jimmie Johnson isn't from the South. 796. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 12:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You know, that first race almost wasn't held. In practice sessions, the dust and dirt clouds that rose from the track caused accidents on the nearby roads. After a threat from the police to shut down the track, Bill France had calcium chloride graded into the dirt. 797. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) We had 134 comments on June 19th alone, going by the site time (EST). For some reason, I really enjoyed the gaming discussion. 798. Mr X posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I never really bothered played any of the NASCAR games for the computer, but I still to this day enjoy NASCAR Thunder 2004. It is certainly the best NASCAR game to ever come out on console's. that being said racing games have always been my favourites, I still remember doing the 24 Hour race at the Nurburgring all on A-Spec in Gran Turismo 4. I completed 214 laps, 22 ahead of second place, and left my ps2 (which still works) on for 4.5 days straight. I love that game but after playing Forza Motorsport 2 for the first time I became much more of a FM fan then a GT fan. That being said both games have their flaws. I would also like to say may Jason Leffler rest in peace, by best wishes to his friends and especially his son, I was definitely guilty of taking him for granted out on the track. 799. 13 posted: 06.20.2013 - 3:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Buy Dirt to Daytona for the Gamecube Nintendo and you can play it on your Wii. Dirt to Daytona is the polar opposite of suck. Thanks i completely forgot the wii ran game cube games 800. joey2448 posted: 06.20.2013 - 6:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven't played many racing games, but I do have to say that I LOVE Forza Motorsport 4...I think I could probably take it to some of you on that game. The TVR Tuscan, with all the settings on realistic, is one of the most fun cars to slide around the track in a race. And my fav track has gotta be the Nurburgring Nordschleife. 801. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For a short time I had an X-Box... me and my family sold it because I personally didn't care for it... but it was a lot of fun to drive on Project Gotham 4 around the Nordschleife. The best part about NASCAR 2003 is the customizable schedules and unlimited customizable cars... I have one driver named "Pierre Debris," another named "Bubba Fife" (Buddy Baker's Bubba and Barney Fife at Maryville), and a third one is named "Joe Kent Wynn," a pun on the 1966 Cup driver "Johnny Wynn," who had no wins. I also have "Didn't Happen," which is the term I use for races that seemed more staged than WWF. 802. Smiff_2 posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) HOW are there still people on here who haven't played NR2003? Seriously, you guys need to get on that....lol. My buddy and I *just* downloaded the 2013 carset the other day. The game is INFINITLY customizable. We've got carsets for the last 7 seasons, Trans am mods, IndyCar mods, the AeroWars sets, about 50 additional tracks, enhanced physics and graphics. Besides it being arguably the greatest NASCAR sim ever, the fact that it's now a DECADE old and still going strong is a true testament to it's versatility and replay value. I've spent more hours playing NR2003 over the last 10 years than I have any 2 other games combined (even more GTA: San Andreas and Super Mario World combined! lol) And with that all being said, I have one thing left to say: F*** You, EA Sports! It's because of YOU douchenozzles buying the rights from NASCAR that NR2003 was the last NASCAR game put out by Sierra/Papyrus. THANKS, A**HOLES! lol 803. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Say what you want, but NASCAR 2011 was the crappiest game since the Kyle Petty's No Fear Racing. 804. Baker posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@785: I think what you mean is, Jimmie Johnson isn't from the South." Alan Kulwicki, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Kurt Busch and Matt Kenseth are all cup champions who were not from the south and no where near as hated as Jimmie Johnson. Well, for a time Kurt Busch was hated pretty hard. Jimmie Johnson is stretches further than just hate it seems like no one even likes the guy. I can find fans of almost every driver, but I cannot find a fan of Jimmie Johnson. 805. The Long Shot posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Say what you want, but NASCAR 2011 was the crappiest game since the Kyle Petty's No Fear Racing." That game needed a LOT of work. It had WAY too many glitches, especially on online play. Great graphics and great controls don't matter at all if your game isn't stable. 806. Baker posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I find video games so boring that the only time I even tried playing them was after a near death car accident in which I was stuck in bed for over 3 months. It took literally not being able to move on my own to try video games. I tried Madden and a NASCAR game a try(My accident was February 2005 if that helps to which game). I was winning games 60+ to 0 on the easy level and then turned it up ONE level and couldn't even get a 1st down. The NASCAR game was the same way I could start 43 and pass 10 cars a lap and win a 9 lap race by 10+ seconds and then one level up I was driving a flawless race and could barely see the tail end of the field. I found a glitch in the game as I would turn around and wreck the field. They would retire with damage and I'd continue. I basically spent and entire season just head hunting the Hendrick cars. 807. The Long Shot posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, did any of you MKWii players check out the links I posted? If not, I'd highly recommend that you do. What they talk about is how to download custom tracks (e.g. tracks that other people have made), and how you can play them online with other players. I've been playing them for almost a year now, and they are WAY more fun than Nintendo's actual tracks. VERY HIGHLY recommend downloading them. 808. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The graphics weren't that great. The tracks had great design, but the cars were awful. It was too grainy. 809. cjs3872 posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, Jeff Gordon was hated at least as much as Jimmie Johnson was when he was dominating the sport, if not more. I don't know how long you've been a NASCAR fan, but take it from someone who's watched the sport for close to 25 years. Jeff Gordon was hated as much, if not MORE than Jimmie Johnson is now, when he was dominating the sport in the late 90s and early 2000s. 810. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) And, cjs, unlike Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon had the heart and graciousness of a champion. 811. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, I would get those if I could and maybe even make my own. 812. Baker posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:36 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) cjs, you are dead wrong. Jeff Gordon's reign of terror was right in my wheelhouse. I started watching NASCAR in the late 80s and didn't get fully wrapped around the sport until the mid 90s when Gordon was untouchable. Jeff Gordon had a lot of very vocal haters because of his dominance and from Earnhardt nation. He was disliked for his winning, but also because he was the new kid out running a very popular legend with a huge fan base of his own. Jeff Gordon for all the hate thrown his way also had a very loyal and huge fan base too. Jimmie Johnson has never had a fan base worth a lick and that in itself should tell you all you need to know about who was disliked more. It was too different eras with two completely different situations. Jimmie Johnson has never had a fan favorite rival that was going to be vocal about their distain for Johnson. Jeff Gordon had to deal with dethroning a legend. Jeff Gordon had millions of fans. Jimmie Johnson has maybe 10 real fans(probably family). 813. Baker posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even guys like me who hate Hendrick and I hated seeing Jeff Gordon win as much as he did, and as much as I think his numbers are over inflated for several reasons I still had and still have a ton of respect for Jeff Gordon as a racer and a person. I cannot say the same about Jimmie Johnson and I don't know any racing fans that would say that about Jimmie Johnson. 814. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 10:26 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) My dumb mother thinks Jimmie Johnson is one of the nicest guys who ever drove. She is also the like one person on planet earth who thinks Chad's cheating is NASCAR unfairly picking on them because the other drivers are jealous of the fact that Chad and Jimmie are just so incredible... I think it says a lot that Jimmie couldn't do jackshit in that Herzog NNS car except for the one win while Todd Bodine was solid weekly contender in the same vehicle. 815. Baker posted: 06.20.2013 - 10:30 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jimmie has never done anything period without the cheating team he had. The guy ha never been better than a 12-15 place car any time he drops to nationwide even though it is still in good rides. 816. jabber1990 posted: 06.20.2013 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) im not too familar with what Jimmie did or didn't do in the Nationwide series, so this might my next ramble irrelevant there are plenty of people in the world who have a strange talent flaw where they can succeed all day in the upper leages, but when they are in the minor leagues they were lost and had no clue what they were doing. there are plenty of people, they can barley do simple kindergarten-level math, but they can do trig or calculus all day to continue that thought, some people can sense their compeition, being major leagues is just that, majors, so they actually have a challenge and i've noticed those people thrive under pressure so they can sence the lack of compeition in the lower-levels so they dont really even try becasue they just dont feel the competion so they feel nothing to try if im correct then maybe Jimmie needs more credit (even though I think we give him plenty) and we shoudl call it "Jimmie Johnson Disorder" unless you have a better analogy (and im pretty sure you all do) its reverse of "Kyle Busch disorder" which is where a professional runs in the minor leages (and lower) and beats everyone and acts as though they are God's gift to the world thats my theory. I could be wrong though, im not really all that smart 817. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a neat theory jabber, but unfortunately Jimmie is the only driver who seems to have that flaw. It's logical for Kyle Busch to win more in NNS because the competition is easier and poorer. 818. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 11:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "HOW are there still people on here who haven't played NR2003? Seriously, you guys need to get on that....lol." Yes sir. I don't exactly have $200 lying around...actually, I almost do, but if I bought NR2003, I would have to buy a steering wheel, etc. I think if I get the chance, I might get NASCAR Thunder 2004 if I run across it at GameStop or somewhere. "I could be wrong though, im not really all that smart" You're smart enough to avoid other sites and comment here. 819. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "AeroWars sets" What are those? 820. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.20.2013 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Right, because finishing in the top 10 in Busch points two seasons in a row with a one car team unaffiliated with the Cup teams is the very definition of not doing "jackshit"... not to mention that he had just started driving stock cars in 1998 and was still adjusting. Sure Todd Bodine had success in that car in 2003, but only because they had Johnson for two seasons to build their organization around. Part of the reason Johnson hasn't succeeded in Busch/Nationwide since he started driving in Cup is because he doesn't race there every week like Kyle Busch and company seemingly do. He only has around 20 starts since then and they've all come with a variety of crew chiefs and car packages, so obviously he hasn't had a chance to master the equipment at the level necessary to dominate like Busch and company do. Maybe if THEY would spend less time figuring out how to beat the developing drivers, they could at least be a threat to win a championship in Cup... Why doesn't Jimmie Johnson have a big fanbase? Because he's not from the South, and he's pretty much alone at the top of the sport. In the 1990s most people picked either Gordon or Earnhardt, but now the choice is either Johnson or Anyone But Johnson. People can say "he's boring" or whatever, but you can't honestly say he's more boring than Matt Kenseth (probably the dullest guy in the entire garage), Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, Jeff Burton, Ryan Newman, or Martin Truex, who are all liked and/or respected among NASCAR fans. And half the people who fans don't find "boring" are only that way because of their big mouths and propensity to whine, such as Keselowski, the Busch brothers, Edwards, and Harvick. People always want to say Knaus is the reason for Johnson's success, but no one ever looks at it the other way. Why is it that when Johnson ran the first 4 races of 2006 without Knaus, he won 2 of them, finished 2nd in one, and finished 6th in the other? In 2007 when Knaus was again suspended for 4 races, Johnson had 2 top 5s and probably would have won at Chicago had he not cut a tire. But what has Knaus ever done without Johnson? Most people aren't even aware that Knaus had a crew chief job before he was with Johnson, and that's because he was flat terrible. He was with Stacy Compton in 2001 and all they accomplished was a couple of superspeedway poles with the vastly overpowered Dodge engines and a fluke 10th at Daytona (next to last on the lead lap), in addition to 2 DNQs. They didn't even crack the top THIRTY in points, being beat out by Todd Bodine in a Travis Carter crapwagon, Brett Bodine near the end of his failed owner-driver experiment, and Steve Park who missed 12 races due to injury! Some of the crew chiefing geniuses who beat Knaus that year include Larry Carter, Chris Carrier, Mike Hillman, Greg Steadman, and Patrick Donohue. 821. Eric posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bleacher report has a 10 Most Overrated Drivers in the Sprint Cup Series. The Article is by Michael Guadalupe. Here are the 10 cup drivers Michael Guadalupe listed in his Article: 10.) Kasey Khane 9.) Jeff Burton 8.) A.J. Allmendinger 7.) Ryan Newman 6.) Greg Biffle 5.) Martin Truex Jr. 4.) Joey Lagono 3.) Denny Hamlin 2.) Danica Patrick 1.) Dale Earnhardt Jr. 822. Eric posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I meant to type Kasey Kahne instead of Kasey Khane. 823. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I don't think using Stacy Compton 2001 means much as Compton was driving for a dead Melling team. And, just for an observation, Kyle Larson is in his SECOND season of stock car racing, so using the old excuse of "number of years of stock car experience" just went down the toilet. Likewise, Kurt Busch has won 5 races in 29 Busch-whacking appearances whereas Johnson has just 5 top-5s in 21 Busch-whacking appearances. "People can say "he's boring" or whatever, but you can't honestly say he's more boring than Matt Kenseth (probably the dullest guy in the entire garage), Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, Jeff Burton, Ryan Newman, or Martin Truex, who are all liked and/or respected among NASCAR fans. And half the people who fans don't find "boring" are only that way because of their big mouths and propensity to whine, such as Keselowski, the Busch brothers, Edwards, and Harvick." At least Kenseth, Biffle, Kahne, Burton, Newman, and Truex don't make it one of their life missions to insult as many people as they can or act like they have attained a God-hood that makes them better than normal people. Anyway... typical BSPN propaganda... an article saying that Jason Leffler could have been saved if he had a HANS device saying that NASCAR mandated them in 2002 because of Dale Earnhardt's death... WRONG! After Earnhardt died, NASCAR said "who gives a shit?" and didn't make a single change until Blaise Alexander died at Charlotte in the ARCA race. 824. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, you don't really believe anything Bleacher Report puts out has any value, do you? 825. AveryNH posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly how is Jeff Burton an over rated driver? Riddle me that riddler 826. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Eric, I'm really surprised Kyle Busch wasn't mentioned on that list, considering FOX/SPEED and (especially) ESPN make him out to be one of the greatest drivers of all time, even though he constantly chokes under pressure (Richmond last fall, Darlington last May) and is overhyped for winning almost every pointless Nationwide race. 827. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) About your typo Eric... Kasey Khane? Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnne! Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnne! Johnson and Knaus are like that: "I enjoy hurting you." 828. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Then again, the Bleacher Report is the same place that ranked Danica Patrick's pole run HIGHER than Ned Jarrett calling his son's victory in 1993 for "Greatest Daytona 500 Moments." 829. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That Melling team was certainly nothing special, but the point is that even there, a supposedly legendary crew chief could manage AT LEAST a top 30 points finish. Kyle Larson is a once in a generation talent who should be getting the hype that Logano got when he was moving up through the ranks. He'll be a multiple-time champion as long as he goes to cup with some team other than Earnhardt-Ganassi. So I'm not surprised at all that he's been so successful so early. When has Jimmie Johnson ever insulted anyone? And why do you say Johnson thinks he's better than anyone else? He's always seemed quite humble and down to Earth in his interviews to me. 830. Chives5150 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HendrickCars.com will sponsor Boris Said and FAS Lane Racing this weekend at Sonoma. The sponsorship deal also includes Kentucky Speedway on June 29, New Hampshire Motor Speedway on July 14, Bristol Motor Speedway on August 24, Richmond International Raceway on September 7, and Homestead-Miami Speedway on November 17, all of which are supposed to be driven by Ken Schrader. One question I have as to the HendrickCas.com sponsorship deal is, will the Ford badges be removed from the car? If I remember correctly, they did that last year when HendrickCars.com sponsored them. 831. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NoLongerAnonymous, after his All-Star win last month, Johnson said in an interview something like "to all those who think my team and I cheat, I'm going home with a million dollar check" or something like that. He came off acting very arrogant. 832. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many times has Johnson dedicated his wins to "the haters"? I don't know about you, but that sounds like an insult to me. Instead of trying to win back people who are ostracized, he laughs snobbishly like "well, you're inferior." Do you remember the Monday after the 500 when they had to modify the standard procedures of the Daytona 500 winner's press conference because he and the crew were up all night getting drunk? 833. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Plus remember Johnson's multi-month tirade toward Sam Hornish after Johnson wrecked by himself at a Texas race but blamed Hornish because Hornish was 5 feet away. 834. AveryNH posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2012/sprintcup/wglen/32hendrickcars-wglen-sm.jpg Chives is right. The ford emblem will certainly be removed 835. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, Exactly. Johnson had really begun to be arrogant after he started winning championships. 836. Chives5150 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson also has a knack for posting condescending tweets towards his haters, saying how NASCAR rigs the races just for him and so on... 837. Eric posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, No, I never believed anything Bleacher Report puts out has any value. 838. Chives5150 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually I just found the tweet: You haters have it right. I'm a bad teammate, I have a cheated up car, I'm lucky and the race was fixed. Gotta love twitter & #NascarFans. ' Jimmie Johnson (@JimmieJohnson) April 8, 2013 839. cjs3872 posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, you mention in post #823 that Jimmie Johnson never did that well in the Nationwide series, which is absolutely true. Could it just be that the Nationwide cars don't suit his driving style and never has? After all, those cars don't have much horsepower, and Johnson's always been one of those drivers who's always relied on the horsepower of the car. Rick Mears had the same off-road racing background as Jimmie does, and he was almost unbeatable in the high horsepower IndyCars of his day. And both had something else in common, which again can be traced to their off-road racing background, and that is that they would wait the race out, something you had to do in the longer off-road races because if you pushed too hard, you'd break down and never finish, so they had to take care of their equipment. And Johnson's hardly the only highly successful Cup driver that never did well in the Nationwide Series. Neither Jeff Gordon or Tony Stewart ever did that well in the Nationwide Series, either. That means that the three mot successful drivers and the three greatest drivers of this generation all did not fare well in the Nationwide Series. In fact, take Stewart's seven NNS wins at Daytona out of the equation, and they would have combined for more Cup championships than they would have Nationwide Series wins. That is one big example of how success in he Nationwide Series is not always a precursor to success in the Cup Series. 840. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon only ran 12 races as a Busch-whacker with 2 wins... that's a hell of a lot better than Johnson has done as a Busch-whacker, but a nice point indeed. In fact, the one I have the biggest problem with on that "Most overrated drivers list" is #1, Dale Jr. Junior is an excellent driver, but it's extremely difficult for him to live up to his potential when the media is always pressuring him so much. 841. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When Brad Keselowski was obviously drunk after winning the championship, most NASCAR fans were saying he was "just being himself" and that's good for the sport. So it's different when Johnson and crew do it? Johnson knows he's never going to have the fanbase of Earnhardt or Elliott and he doesn't care about it. He's not a Waltrip or a Patrick who's in it for the money, and even if he was he makes his on the track. Shouldn't you be happy that he's not a typical plastic corporate shill who always says and does the right things to remain "marketable"? There are a group of fans who are going to hate him no matter what he does or says and he's accepted that, so why not have a little fun with it when he wins? As for being a bit arrogant, he has every right to be given his success. Every successful driver has been arrogant. You don't think Earnhardt, Petty, Waltrip, Yarborough, or Allison were arrogant? I'm not sure if Hornish hit Johnson (probably not), but Johnson was still right to criticize him. Hornish was a mobile chicane and a wrecking ball back then and if Johnson didn't spin himself out, Hornish was definitely going to run right into him. There's been an expectation ever since the start that you race Chase drivers cleanly and you definitely don't want to be the one to take one out. 842. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish was PASSING HIM CLEANLY without a hitch when the wreck happened; Johnson did one of his infamous "I ran out of talent" spins. No, I don't believe Petty or Yarborough were arrogant at all; in fact, they were and still are quite gracious. I was the lone person who had a problem with Brad being drunk. Drunkenness is bad no matter who you are. 843. murb posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bleacher Report can never be trusted. They are the Fox Sports of internet/media. 844. Eric posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here my take on Bleacher Reports top 10 overrated Sprint cup drivers: Kasey Kahne - I have a hard time to call him overrated. My problem is how many times did Kasey actually has a legit show for the championship because there was problems with the organizations Kasey was with before going to Hendrick. Jeff Burton - He has no business on the list. No one in their right mind would think Jeff Burton that highly right now as a cup driver in this point of his career. Jeff was a top 5 to a top 10 driver in his prime with 21 cup wins. I argue that Montoya should be on the list instead of Jeff Burton based on the hype the media first gave him when he went to cup. A.J. Allmendinger - This pick is legit based on what people expected out of him after what he did with petty. Ryan Newman - I agree that Newman is overrated. My reasoning is based on what he did in his first two seasons 2 cup. People expected Ryan to perform like Jimmie Johnson has and that hasn't happen for a long time. Greg Biffle - He has no business on the list. The media doesn't look at him as highly as Carl Edwards, Kyle Busch, or Kevin Harvick. Martin Truex Jr. - He is overrated. He won 2 Nationwide 2 titles and had a lot of expectations. Joey Lagono - He should even high on the list. I am saying that because of the expectations of him. Denny Hamlin - He has not business on the list this high. Most cup drivers would need time to get back where they were before missing races due to injury. I think his teammate Kyle Busch belongs be this high instead based on multiple factors. Danica Patrick - She is too low even at number 2 as an overrated cup driver. She gets a lot of hype for someone that struggles to get a top 15 finish. She also struggled in the Nationwide series. Dale Earnhardt Jr - He's too high on the overrated list. Dale has a famous last name, but 19 cup wins isn't bad. He has not meant expectations, but Danica is way worse as a driver. At least Dale Jr. is capable of getting top 10 finishes more often than Danica can. 845. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The BR article actually blasted Hamlin for being so low in points WITHOUT giving him slack for his injury. 846. cjs3872 posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sure Petty and Yarborough were arrogant, NicoRosbergFan. They just didn't show to outwardly. If you're going to be successful in such a highly competitive field, you have to be arrogant. It's just that some drivers show it outwardly and others don't, and Petty, Pearson, and Yarborough almost always displayed their arrogance in a way that it didn't show outwardly. Others, such as A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, and Bobby Unser didn't care how anyone else thought about them. They were arrogant and didn't mind showing it outwardly. Guys like Bobby Allison, Jeff Gordon, and Jimmie Johnson are/were drivers I would consider in the middle, sometimes showing their arrogance, and other times hiding it. However, in recent years, Johnson has been becoming NASCAR's answer to Reggie Jackson in showing his arrogance, and for those old enough to remember Reggie Jackson, there may not have been another athlete, with the possible exception of Muhammad Ali, that was as brash and arrogant outwardly as Reggie was. But like Reggie Jackson, Jimmie Johnson has, much more often than not, backed up his arrogance with performance to match, especially n the big moments. That's where Reggie shone the brightest, and that's where Jimmie's shone the brightest over the years. And it's ironic that Jimmie drove for a team (in the Nationwide Series) that once was co-owned by Reggie Jackson, though I don't think he drove for it at the time Reggie co-owned it, though I could be wrong about that. 847. Baker posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Every single time someone tries to race Jimmie Johnson hard he has something to say about it. He thinks he is above hard racing. He believes he is too good to have to earn it. That is why everyone hates him except you his lone fan. 848. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I was the lone person who had a problem with Brad being drunk." *exasperated* I did, too, and I've even mentioned it here on this site. I thought he was setting a bad example and giving NASCAR champions a bad image. I watched a replay of the Johnson/Hornish incident just now. Johnson did NOT spin out on his own; Hornish did indeed get into him, but he was already sideways because David Reutimann got into the rear of Hornish's car. It's as plain as day. 849. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.20.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin has contended for a championship, how many has the Almighty ESPN Jesus Christ, Jgr teammate, Kyle Busch, contended for? 850. Smiff_2 posted: 06.20.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yes sir. I don't exactly have $200 lying around...actually, I almost do, but if I bought NR2003, I would have to buy a steering wheel, etc." David, you don't *have* to buy an official copy....lol. You can download it online fairly easily ;) In fact, most of the sites where you can download the add-ons usually have downloads for the game itself. And the AeroWars sets are based on the '88 era Aerocoupe cars, but a lot of people have done 1982-1986 paint scheme carsets on those same 1987-1988 bodies. 851. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NoLongerAnonymous, I stand corrected on that one count thanks to help from young David (I am going to keep calling you that; you know that, don't you?). However, Johnson still was pulling a choke job, even if he still won the title (only because of the Dega big one though). 852. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "(I am going to keep calling you that; you know that, don't you?)" I will only ask why. Why? 853. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And the AeroWars sets are based on the '88 era Aerocoupe cars, but a lot of people have done 1982-1986 paint scheme carsets on those same 1987-1988 bodies." Well, they would be in the same generation of cars. Gen-3 lasted from 1981-1992. "David, you don't *have* to buy an official copy....lol. You can download it online fairly easily ;)" I guess so...but the computer is pretty slow now from all the stuff that's on it. I can't imagine downloading NR2003 would help matters much. 854. cjs3872 posted: 06.20.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To be honest, NicoRosbergFan, Hamlin wasn't really doing that well even before his injury, as his near-miss at California was, by far, his best run of the year to date. But Hamlin's struggles should not come as a surprise, and his injury has nothing to do with it. look back on the history of Joe Gibbs Racing since he went to three cars in 2005, every time one of his teams had a driver change, another of them struggled significantly. For instance, when the #11 team was created, the #18 struggled, and when Joe Gibbs brought in Kyle Busch to bring back his flagship #18 car, the #20 began to tank, even with Tony Stewart there. And now to complete the cycle, he brings Matt Kenseth in to revive the #20 car, and now the #11 struggles. If I remember right, me and a few other posters predicted Hamlin would struggle this year, and his injury had nothing to do with it. Every time Gibbs has tried to revive one of his teams, another one of his teams would pay the price, so Hamlin's struggles should really come as no surprise, because they don't to me. Certainly he wouldn't be 26th in points if not for the races he missed, but I'm not entirely sure he would be a serious contender this year, even if he hadn't missed races due to his injury. This was almost destined to be a bad year for Hamlin the moment Matt Kenseth was announced as the new driver of the #20 car, which came last year. The real question is, is Hamlin's drop-off in performance a one-year deal, or is the #11 team now in for years of relatively poor performance due to Kenseth and Busch being his teammates, just like the 18 and 20 were in years past when the other Gibbs teams were front running teams. 855. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just because it's convenient and your younger than me, David. That's why. cjs, I give you credit on that prediction. 856. 18fan posted: 06.20.2013 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin wasn't a contender at California either. He was only in the position he was in on the last lap because he had 30 lap fresher tires than the Kyle, Joey, and Harvick, who all had superior cars to Denny. 857. cjs3872 posted: 06.20.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And that race, as well as the two biggies that took place after his return, the Southern 500 and the Coca-Cola 600, were easily is best runs of the year. It's also ironic that the two races I thought he'd be a liability in because of his injury situation end up being his two best of the year, Darlington and Charlotte, because I thought he should have never been in the car for those two races, because of the degree of difficulty involved, even under normal circumstances, and then you add the injury to that, and those end up being his two best races of the year so far. The fact that he did so well in those two races shows just how tough Hamlin is. If what he did after his ACL surgery in 2010 didn't convince anyone how tough he is, his performances in the two toughest races on the circuit while still recovering from a broken back, and that's basically what he suffered in California, certifies that Hamlin may be the toughest driver out there today. Not the best driver, but the toughest, much like fellow Virginian Ricky Rudd was in his day. 858. The Long Shot posted: 06.20.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just because it's convenient and your younger than me, David." You do realize you're giving him an excuse to copy my "Old Man Nico (um, Alex)" joke from yesterday, don't you? 859. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Naturally, Long Shot. I want Young David to be the next one to be pounded by Old Man Nico ;) 860. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I want Young David to be the next one to be pounded by Old Man Nico ;)" Watch it, Alexander. 861. 83andJoe posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Dale Earnhardt Jr - He's too high on the overrated list. Dale has a famous last name, but 19 cup wins isn't bad. He has not meant expectations Expectations that were, in turn, artifically inflated because: Earnhardt. 862. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why you little! *David starts to look a lot like Bart Simpson* 863. JG24FanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dale has a famous last name, but 19 cup wins isn't bad. He has not meant expectations" Buddy Baker has always been touted as a great,and a future hall of famer. But a driver with 200+ fewer starts and the same win total hasn't met expectations? Who's expectations? 864. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "*David starts to look a lot like Bart Simpson*" I'd probably kill myself if that happened. 865. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is my take on the differences between Jeff's reign of terror and JJ's reign of terror having (unfortunately) had a front row seat for both. The biggest difference is that Jeff brought fans to the sport while not running off the core fans (although the presence of sentimental stalwarts like Dale, Rusty, and Bill helped him on this one). JJ has driven fans away and brought pretty much nothing new to the table. The best comparison I can make is this: Jeff in his heyday was the Miami Heat of today. Each had the "star of the show" (LeBron for Miami, Jeff for the 24). Each had the best team money could buy (Jeff having the hired guns for his pit crew Rainbow Warriors, LeBron having people like Ray Allen come over and former "next MJ" Dwyane Wade taking a backseat for him). Each had an evil, unethical guy behind the scenes pulling all the strings, Pat Riley for Miami and Rick Hendrick (plus Rick Hendrick's ankle bracelet) for Jeff. And each has so much talent on their teams, multiple championships were/are inevitable, despite both LeBron and Jeff showing curious difficulties maintaining their blistering pace at the tail end of seasons, the biggest reason, imo, LeBron is not in MJ's league and Jeff is not in Dale's league). Jeff brought eyeballs to the sport, either wanting him to lose in epic fashion, or were part of the bandwagon fans. Jeff had a ton of bandwagon fans. He would eventually develop a true fan base around '02 or '03 (just in time for him to quit winning titles and a minimum of 6 races per year), but most of his fans during the late 90's were pure bandwagoners, probably also pulling for the Yankees at the time. Jimmie on the other hand is so damn boring, he can't even get a decent bandwagon fan base. How the HELL do you win 5 straight titles and not get a noticeable bandwagon following? Jeff made you tune in hoping for a 1998 Winston moment, or made others tune in to "see if that Jeff Jordon can win another NASA race!". Jimmie is just....... there. And up front which is bad. Throw in that he also drives for corrupt HMS, has a mountain of documented cheating violations (with God knows how many of the "technical issues" they were eventually cleared of just a result of NASCAR sweeping it under the rug), and have I mentioned how boring he is yet, he just makes people turn the channel. Just for the hell of it, here are my Top 5 least favorite Jeff Gordon victories: 5) 1996 Southern 500. I really wanted Hut Strickland, who had dominated for the moribund Stavolas, win that one. Jeff overtook him late, and I sulked for a while. 4) 2012 Homestead. I was still livid he was allowed to be in that race, then he wins the damn thing? Luckily Brad got drunk on national TV so nobody cared about Jeff that night (for those who took issue with that, lighten up, he was buzzed for an interview, he had just won his first championship staring down The Evil Empire, didn't have to drive anywhere, and for the first time in years made NASCAR seem "fun", what do you guys think a Curtis Turner interview 30 minutes after ANY race he ran, win, lose or draw, would have sounded like?). 3) 1994 Brickyard 400. Swervin Irvan was second only to Dale for me at the time. I can still remember watching that 28 car slow down the backstretch, and my 10 year old heart dropping. Besides, watching them take turns getting each other aero loose was fun, and had his tire held up, my money is on an In His Prime Ernie against a Not Quite There Jeff. 2) 2007 Spring Dega. Let's see Jeff drive for Rod Osterlund, 80's era Bud Moore, and Richard Childress and get 76 wins. And 7 championships. Hell, he can't even get that with HMS! 1) 1998 Michigan. Open up a dictionary, look up "heart wrenching", and a TV screen will magically pop up and show Mark's post race interview after this one. Just devastating. 866. Anonymous posted: 06.20.2013 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, Dale Jr. hasn't meant the expectations of a of NASCAR Fans including DaleSrFanForever. While Dale Jr. has a huge fanbase, he has a lot of haters also. Ill be address Buddy against Dale Jr. on a different post. 867. JG24FanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the biggest reason, imo, LeBron is not in MJ's league and Jeff is not in Dale's league)." Here's a superficial statistical comparison of Jeff and Dale. Winning the most races in a season: Jeff Gordon--6 times (1995-99,2001) Dale Earnhardt--2 times (1987,1990) Dominating(Led Most)the most races in a season: Jeff Gordon--9 times (1995-96,1998-99,2001-04,2007) Dale Earnhardt--5 times (1986-90) Winning the most Poles in a season: Jeff Gordon--6 times (1995-96,1998-99,2001,2007) Dale Earnhardt--1 time (1990) Road Race wins: Jeff Gordon--9 and 6 consecutive Dale Earnhardt--1 Speedways of 2.5 miles or more wins: Jeff Gordon--22 Dale Earnhardt--16 10 win seasons: Jeff Gordon--3 consecutive!! (1996-98) Dale Earnhardt--1 in 1987 Number of gift-wrapped Championships: Jeff Gordon--none Dale Earnhardt--2 in 1991 and 1994 Number of Championship robberies: Jeff Gordon--2 in 1996 and 2007 Dale Earnhardt--none I really love this board. 868. JG24FanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If anybody needs an example of the fervor that Gordon brought to Nascar in the 90's, just listen to the crowds reaction after he was booted out of the lead by Geoff Bodine,and crashed by Jeremy Mayfield at the 1997 Bristol Night race. Try to Find a bigger cheer at any event in the history of Nascar, and you won't. On the opposite end of the spectrum,fittingly,is the boo's Earnhardt got at the same event two year's later. That really was the pinnacle of Nascar. 869. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, I meant that I would be strangling you like Homer strangles Bart, complete with the popping eyeballs. I agree with DSFF. If it's late in a season, I'd rather be having to stare down Jeff than Dale, but if it's late in a race, I'd say it's a dead heat between Jeff's freakish talent and Dale's intimidation. 870. David posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *sound of can opening, then worms crawling out* 871. Eric posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, Based on what I read, there really isn't much of a discussion of Buddy Baker being on the NASCAR Hall of Fame. He is considered a legend though. While Dale Jr and Buddy Baker have the same amount of cup wins, there is some big differences between the two drivers. You are dealing with 2 different eras here. Buddy Baker raced in an era that equipment is less reliable than it is today and that is a problem with a driver with the nickname "Lead Foot". That meant if Buddy Baker raced today in his prime, he would be having over 30 career cup wins. Remember Buddy back in the 1970's had the car to beat multiple times for the Daytona 500, but had engine problems. Dale Jr. is racing in an era that the equipment is more reliable unless you are racing a Toyota. Buddy Baker do many full time seasons because he got paid better for tire testing than racing and that is in his own worlds. That is no longer true in today's NASCAR. Besides the era difference, Buddy Baker is looked upon better because of the amount of Marquee Races Buddy won Compare to Dale Jr despite both of them having 19 career cup wins. Buddy won 1 Southern 500, 3 World 600 wins, 1 Daytona 500 win, 1 Firecracker 400 and won at Talladega multiple times. Based where Buddy Baker won at, he's looked up like Kevin Harvick is. The third difference is Buck Baker is not ranked as a high as a driver as Dale Earnhardt Sr. was. The fact fact Dale Sr. is a top 5 NASCAR driver all time and you can't say that out of Buck Baker. Dale Sr. also is one of the biggest icons of NASCAR all time. Buck Baker is a level below Dale Sr. The other thing is Dale Sr. won 7 cup champions compare to Buck's two. Being the son of Dale Earnhardt Sr. has the same expectations as Kyle Petty had to face for being the son of Richard Petty. Buddy Baker had expectations being the son a NASCAR legend, but they were not as high as what Dale Earnhardt Jr. has to face. 872. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You left out the important detail... Buddy raced in an era where, while being the son of a driver made you a bigger name on the track, the best rides still went to those who performed, so he didn't get a top-flight ride right off the bat like Chase Elliot did. 873. JG24FanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Based on what I read, there really isn't much of a discussion of Buddy Baker being on the NASCAR Hall of Fame. He is considered a legend though." Buddy Baker was inducted into the NMPA Hall of Fame and the International Motor Sports Hall of Fame both in 1997. You know who else is in the International Motor Sports Hall of Fame? Curtis Turner. Inducted in 1992. We don't need the Nascar Hall of Fame to determine who's a great racing driver and who isn't. 874. JG24FanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I pulled this off of the Curtis Turner museum facebook page that's run by his daughter: "This page is chaired by Curtis Turner Museum and MargaretSue Turner Wright, Curtis Turner's Daughter in order to educate and preserve the memory of one of the pioneers of stockcar racing and NASCAR." "About OFFICIAL FAN Page on Curtis Turner NASCAR Driver, my Dad Biography Bill France: 'Curtis Turner was the greatest racecar driver I have ever seen.' Tim Flock: 'Curtis Turner was the greatest racecar driver who ever ran in NASCAR'. Cale Yarborough: 'He was the hardest man I ever tried to pass.' Sports Illustrated: 'Babe Ruth of Stock Car Racing' A few Curtis Turner Racing Legend facts: â?¢ Curtis Turner was born April 12, 1924 in Floyd County, Virginia and died October 4, 1970 in a mysterious plane crash of his own plane â?¢ Professional Athlete and pioneer in the field of Stockcar racing and NASCAR â?¢ Won over 356 Races throughout his lifetime thru NASCAR, USAC, MARK and ARCA and other racing organizations â?¢ He was President of, took option on and built the Charlotte Motor Speedway, now called Lowes Speedway in his hometown then of Charlotte, NC â?¢ NASCAR sanctioned races won in his career included the 17 Grand National races now called Sprint Cup, yet also the Convertible Division of which he won 38, 22 of which were won in 1 year This page dedicated to the preservation and education of the early days of stock car racing and the early days of dirt racing, as it pertains to an extraordinary, independent, Virginia Pioneer of Stock Car Racing, Curtis Turner" 875. JG24FanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^That sucks. 876. jabber1990 posted: 06.20.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I was the lone person who had a problem with Brad being drunk." *exasperated* I did, too, and I've even mentioned it here on this site. I thought he was setting a bad example and giving NASCAR champions a bad image." I was thinking the same thing, but at the same time I giggled and laughed...a guy sponsored by miller light being drunk on Sports Center. c'mon give him credit but back on what you were saying "NASCAR on Sports Center? (explitive), this isnt a sport, its just a bunch of rednecks. and they drink too much" *watches BK on Sports Center Drunk* seriously there are still closed-mined people...I went on the IMDB right after the Talladega race because they canceled "The Cleveland Show" to air the final 20 laps of the race. people were all "nobody cares about NASCAR" and I tried my best to defend it, then they refered to all NASCAR fans as rednecks. Personally I was happy that the worst idea by Seth McFairlane was cancelled for the Best thing ever, and yes, I was planning on watching Fox afterwards so I didnt care. I belive I said something about "yea, it sucks how FOX has to honor a $300,000,000 deal instead of giving Seth McFairlane more money" the people on the Simpsons page were less upset though, but their tape-delay was like 15 minutes off I still think NASCAR is the most underrated sport. I wish there were ways we could bring more others into our sport so that they can see what we are obsssed over why is it when a Football game (which goes head-to-head with NASCAR in the ratings, and its a good match) bleeds into their shows they dont care when its NASCAR then people riot in the streets? 877. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24Fan, you know how much I admire Jeff's heart, determination, and toughness. But he also gets the "Hendrick Discount", the "Your Career Took An Unexplainable Dip At Age 30 Discount", and the "You're Not Even The Most Prolific HMS Driver Ever Discount". Dale drove the majority of his career for Richard Childress. 878. Eric posted: 06.20.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) JG24FanForever, I already my history on Curtis Turner before you mentioned. I am aware of the International Motor Sports Hall of Fame. I actually heard of it before the NASCAR Hall of Fame open. I actually heard of the NMPA Hall of Fame also before NASCAR had plans of the NASCAR Hall of fame. 879. JG24FanForever posted: 06.20.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Your Career Took An Unexplainable Dip At Age 30 Discount" His career didn't take a dip until 2008. His seasons between 2002-2007 was just fine. Barring the 21 consecutive races without a Top 5 finish he suffered in 2005. Stats for 1993-2007: Most Wins: 1. Jeff Gordon 81 2. Rusty Wallace 34 3. Jimmie Johnson 33 4. Tony Stewart 32 5. Dale Jarrett 31 Top 5 percentage: 1. Jeff Gordon .460% 2. Dale Earnhardt .393% 3. Jimmie Johnson .392% 4. Tony Stewart .371% 5. Mark Martin .358% "You're Not Even The Most Prolific HMS Driver Ever Discount" I don't value the 5 Chase title's in the same regard next to Jeff's 4 Winston Cup Championships. Does Johnson dominate Gordon in versatility? Has Johnson ever had to deal with Crew-Chief and Car-Chief discontinuity? Does Johnson hold a candle to Gordon's mistake free driving? Is the #48 team as a whole the reason for all of their success? Gordon is a better driver. 880. cjs3872 posted: 06.20.2013 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And JG24FF, put Gordon and Johnson in equal or close to equal cars today and I'll still take Gordon at most tracks. There are a couple of exceptions, but I'll still take Gordon today at most tracks if their cars are equal. That was proven as recently as 2011 at Atlanta and 2012 at Dover, cause when their cars were equal, Gordon came out, or was going to come out on top. And of course, Gordon also has a less-than-reliable crew chief, while Johnson has, like it or not, a Hall of Fame crew chief, but behind the wheel, Gordon's still equal to Johnson if his car's right. After all, at places like Texas and Darlington, where the driver is the more important factor, Gordon outran Johnson. Gordon just doesn't like to go fast at the fast tracks any more because of his crashes over the last seven years, and there's probably going to be a day where that can be said about Johnson. 881. Scott B posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) RE the Hendrickcars sponsorship on the FASLane #32... I doubt all the Ford decals will be removed this year, the Gen 6 package actually spells out where they'll be placed for brand identification, unless I'm mistaken. 882. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Absolute brutality watching the Heat beat the Spurs. It's moments like this I feel so stupid for caring about sports. I know it was an accomplishment for the Spurs just to be there in the end of Game 7 with their three best players being far past their prime, and the rest of the team being people like Danny Green who had bounced in and out of the league, catching fire the first five games before reverting to his true self the last two, Neal and Leonard, two nobodies, and Boris Diaw who is not only past his prime but wasn't that good to begin with. Meanwhile the Heat and their bought team have their three best in their prime with people like Ray Allen and Shane Battier who are spot up shooters which mean they never really age, and other young talents like Chalmers and Haslem (remember my comparison of 90's Gordon to today's Heat? This year was their answer to Jeff's '97 Winston Cup championship, in that you are left asking yourself "how in the world was it so close in the end?" The Heat should not have had to sweat out this title, and Jeff should not have had to sweat out the '97 title). Then I remember moments like Brad and the Blue Deuce team improbably staring down the 48 monster last year, or Eli Manning carving apart Bill Belichick's defense in the final minute of the Super Bowl for a win TWICE. And I can even go back to Earnhardt's glory years and be thankful I got to watch him and his Band Of Brothers pit crew beat the competition. I wasn't alive for his first title, and was too young to remember his two in the Wrangler car (thank you YouTube for allowing me to relive a lot of those), but I clearly remember those last 4. Hell, going into 1993, they didn't even have a setup plate. Watching old footage of The King in Petty Enterprises' shop from the 1970s, they had one way back then. Yet they still beat Junior Johnson, Yates, Roush, Hendrick, and the feared Penske-Rusty-Buddy murderer's row team. This was before 1995 hit and ushered in the "even if Dale Earnhardt is your driver, you can't overcome an engineering deficit" era. Unless you are a shameless bandwagon guy who roots for whoever is winning the most (have I mentioned how pathetic it is the Jimmie Johnson can't even muster up a decent bandwagon fan base?), then sports will break your heart more than it will give you those jump up and down moments. But man those good moments are worth it. It is hard to think about now, knowing the Heat, who represent everything I dislike about sports, are celebrating their "achievement", and knowing the 48 team will have an uncontested rout to their 6th championship this year. But I do feel blessed to be a sports fan. Even in a very dark hour. I guess I keep going back to Dale Earnhardt in 2000. Obviously I had no idea it would be his last hurrah, but one last time he put me on that fun as hell roller coaster. And it represented what I love about sports. After 3 and 1/2 years of him not being a factor, being eclipsed on track by guys like Jeff Burton, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Mark Martin, and getting absolutely waxed by Gordon, there he was in the hunt again, and it felt SO good. And of course I got greedy. On paper, I should have simply been happy with him, at 49 years old with an improved but still not there RCR, being one of the guys to beat again. But I wanted more, I wanted him to be THE guy again. I wanted him not only to break the record and get that 8th championship, but even more simply to be #1 again, and hoist that big Winston Cup trophy. I cheered with delight as he nosed out Bobby Labonte at Atlanta in his "Let's get this straight right here, right now, DALE EARNHARDT is the king of Atlanta and that is that" win. I felt SO happy for him as he got to be the proud papa, to see that look of pride in his eyes as his son came to Winston Cup and had those emotional embraces at Texas and in The Winston (and see him lean in quickly and say something quick to June at Richmond before scurrying out of there, which turned out to be "Good job, I'm proud of you, I love you, now I'm leaving so find a way home cause it won't be on my plane"). I cursed Jeremy Mayfield after he pulled an "Earnhardt" on Dale at Pocono, then seethed red hot anger as Jeremy mocked him in victory lane. I cursed Mother Nature for not giving Dale those final few laps at Michigan as he was closing in on Tony. I felt that old excitement, despite it being an awful weekend for NASCAR, when he closed to within 45 points of BLab after the first Loudon race (in fairness to me, I was 16, I feel bad about feeling anything other than sadness after losing Kenny now). Then I felt my heart drop that Summer as tire failures, driver errors, and mechanical gremlins saw him drop like a rock away from Bobby. Then I cursed Gordon more than usual after it came out his carbeurator was illegal enough to get a 100 point penalty after Richmond, which would have given Dale the win and the Million Dollar Bonus. But I did get that one last moment. Dale's Last Miracle. He was 17th at Talladega with just 5 laps left. He only needed 4 as he took the white flag in the lead then held off Kenny Wallace over the last lap in a mismatch made in Earnhardt Fan Heaven. No, 2000 didn't end in the Promise Land for me, but what a ride it was, especially after 3 years of being stuck in neutral. And THAT is why I watch sports. 883. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fair points JG24Fan, but there are some other questions to ask. Has Jimmie taken Jeff to the woodshed way more often than not despite only being 4 years younger and showing up while Jeff was just 30? Does Jimmie have a laundry list of Dale Earnhardt Memorial Foot To The Throat Victories While In A Championship Battle while Jeff only has those 3 from 1998? Would you rather have Jimmie in your car instead of Jeff after the leaves change colors? Can a good (but ultimately unproveable) argument be made that Jeff had his out of this world success from '95-'01 cause Jimmie hadn't shown up in cup yet? The answer to those are all yes. So it comes down to the question of what is most important? Championships. Chase or no chase, you still have to close seasons. Like I said before, Jimmie is like Darrell, he can either be super clutch or wilt away in a championship fight. But the key is he has shown quite a few clutch performances down the stretch. Outside of '98, something just seems to happen to Jeff once Fall hits. He was saved by the bell in '95 and '97, wasn't saved by the bell in '96, and in 2001, much like Dale in 1991, wasn't very strong down the stretch, but the teams he had been fighting in points, the Yates duo of DJ and Rudd, gagged worse than he did. And of course the chase has exposed that one weakness in the worse way. Look, I don't like Jimmie at all, and Jeff has won me over a bit with his longevity, sustained heart, and VASTLY underrated toughness. It doesn't give me any joy to say this, but if I am starting a team, and I can either have Jeff in his prime or Jimmie in his, I'll take Jimmie. Yeesh, typing that hurt worse than watching the Heat win. 884. 18fan posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One thought about Jeff vs. Jimmie. If I had to take one of them to win one race for me, I take Jeff Gordon in a heartbeat. However, I would probably take Jimmie to win a championship. DSFF, you talked about Jimmie's foot to the throat victories, but his most spirit-crushing performance did not come in a win. I will never forget the look on Carl Edwards' face in victory lane in Atlanta in the fall of '08 when Dave Burns told him that Jimmie had finished 2nd after he rocketed through the field on fresh tires. The Jimmie teased all of us with a poor run at Texas only to completely kick ass at Phoenix and essentially lock up the title (a race I was at and my most vivid memories of that race are the green flag coming out with a safety truck not quite off the racetrack yet, David Gilliland ending up on top of Scott Speed in a wreck, and a Tony Stewart fan giving Jimmie the double bird on the cooldown lap) 885. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:30 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) And something else: I think you Gordon fans are missing the real questions that need to be asked. I have a few conspiracy theories as it relates to Jeff: 1) Did Jeff piss Rick off, and is Rick making him pay? As you may recall, a lot happened between Jeff and Rick in 1999 and 2000. First, Ray Evernham left after Dodge offered him the deal of a lifetime, and Ray made a serious run to take Jeff with him. Jeff felt he was at a crossroads at this time. Could he still be successful without the only crew chief he ever had any NASCAR success with? As it turned out the answer was a resounding yes, but Ray's sudden departure left a lot of questions to be answered. Secondly, Jeff was looking to be more than just a driver at the time. He wanted to own a piece of this dynasty that looked to have no end in sight. Jeff pretty much had Rick by the balls at this point, and used his leverage. With Rick recovering physically from leukemia and financially from his felony conviction, and having a driver lineup that, excluding Jeff, had the Murderer's Row of Wally Dallenbach, Jerry Nadeau, and TLab who was aging by the second, he needed Jeff. So they came to the monumental deal. Jeff signed a lifetime contract with Rick, and Rick gave him a percentage of ownership in the #24 team as well as the soon to be constructed sister team for Jeff, what would wind up being the #48 team (damn you Jeff, you pretty boy midget). Anyone here think Rick was happy about giving that up? I also noticed something funny about the Pepsi documentary on HMS narrated by Danica Patrick without her wig Tom Cruise and the SPEED doc "Beyond 200". Both docs are complete fluff pieces making Rick out to be the greatest human being ever, both ignored the mountains of cheating violations his teams have been tagged with, and when they touch on his mail fraud trial in the Pepsi doc, they make RICK out to be the victim. But in each one, it has an extended piece where Rick talks about how he gave Jeff legal advice when Brooke divorced him, advice which he didn't take, which led to Jeff being taken to the cleaners in court. That was a real low point for Jeff, why would Rick so gleefully talk about it and let it be included in both docs? Also, in the Pepsi doc, they have an extended segment where Jeff talks about having so much success, money, and fame at such a young age, and how he wasn't ready for it, leading him to do things he regrets, basically saying he was a bad person for a while and referred to himself as an asshole at the time. Everyone else in those docs got the kid gloves treatment. But not Jeff? Why would they include all that? Something just seems off about their relationship. 2) Did Jeff, like Denny recently, also break a bone in his spinal column after his Vegas '08 crash? I know the back is a very sensitive area of the human anatomy and very difficult to heal. But to have 3 years where he never looked remotely the same and was in obvious pain points to something pretty serious to me. Did he break something and just tough it out? Does he just have too much pride to sit out and rest it a la The Rooster in '84 and Dale in '96? 2a) Did he get injured more than he let on after his Texas '99 crash? To this day, he still talks about that one, and the uncertainty it brought afterwards. Considering some of the savage licks he's taken since then and doesn't say much about (like Pocono '06), I'd say something about that left an impression on him. 886. murb posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "narrated by Danica Patrick without her wig Tom Cruise" My sides hurt. 887. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 2:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not exactly sure how DSFF does that strikethrough effect with his text. Somehow I get the feeling that how to do it is very obvious. As a matter of fact, I could probably be doing it now and not realizing it. And if I'm not, then this comment was a waste. 888. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 2:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I did it!!! I'm so proud of myself. Can I do the same thing with *bold* text, too? Or am I pushing my luck? 889. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 2:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *AWESOME!!!* Now I am going to /totally italicize my text now/. And when I'm done, _I'll underline a few things_, and maybe show _subscript and ^superscript . 890. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That does it! You're going down! *sound of Nico pounding David* 891. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just to continue a little bit on what DSFF said... does Prick Spendrick everlook a little pissed off in victory lane when Jeff wins? 892. joey2448 posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Do you remember the Monday after the 500 when they had to modify the standard procedures of the Daytona 500 winner's press conference because he and the crew were up all night getting drunk?" "I was the lone person who had a problem with Brad being drunk. Drunkenness is bad no matter who you are." Honestly, if I had just won a major event like the Daytona 500 or Cup championship, I would be getting shitfaced that night. I would be milking it for all it's worth and having a ball, like Brad the night he won the title. As far as the Heat winning the NBA championship, I have no problem with it. I was hoping to see the Spurs take it, and I really thought they would, but the Heats main core of players have worked hard for this moment, and after losing to the Mavericks in 2011, you could just see the passion and hard work go into the fight for a title. And they really earned this title. The Spurs were up 3-2 and on their way to winning it in game six, and although the Heat got a few lucky breaks in the final seconds of that game, they were able to perform best under the pressure and win it all tonight. It was a brilliant championship series between the two teams, and it was great to see the sportsmanship between the two organizations after it was all over. And although I'm not a fan of Jimmie Johnson or LeBron James, I also find it amusing when they comment on the haters out there. You guys say that it's demeaning to the sports' fans, but I would be using sarcasm to poke fun at my haters if I was a successful driver/athlete/player etc....On the same token, I do believe success has gotten to Jimmie after five straight championships. That's why I'm not a big fan of his. Also, here's hoping that the Blackhawks take the Stanley Cup! 893. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) joey, since you mentioned hockey, my family's prediction is that Stanley Cup is giftwrapped for the Bruins as a gifty for the Boston Marathon tragedy... some media outlets are already playing up that angle, but we must first see and then conclude. 894. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is Not a Brutality this is a Fatality. 895. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is classic. From Jayski.com: "Three drivers will attempt to make their first NASCAR Sprint Cup Series start on Sunday at Sonoma: #19-Alex Kennedy, #36-Victory Gonzalez Jr. and #52-Paulie Harraka." "I did it!!!" Good for you, David. Now would somebody please enlighten me on how to do that? 896. Baker posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Earnhardt built up such big leads in points that he would just ride around and stalk his competition and finish right where he needed to finish to keep them from gaining any ground. He never pushed his car to the edge once he got big points leads. Dale was first and foremost about winning champions, and winning races came seconds. If Dale raced more to win the race in the last third of the season then Jeff Gordon would still be looking up at 95-110 wins easy. Jeff Gordon is a lot of things but one of those things is not as talented as Dale Earnhardt period. 897. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:04 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) Your right, Baker, Jeff wasn't as talented as Dale Earnhardt period. He was MORE talented than Earnhardt, but Earnhardt, just like David Pearson, was one of the smartest drivers out there and knew how to squeeze extra tenths out of a car he shouldn't have been able to. 898. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *sound of David faking pain* You like typewriter text? Well, I can do that, too. 899. Baker posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Being smart is part of talent. Looking at the entire picture Dale Earnhardt was flat out more talented than Jeff Gordon. If you are talking just pure driving skill then, yes, Gordon would win. It takes more than just driving skill to be successful just ask Kyle Busch and to a lesser extent Tony Stewart. 900. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:39 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The anti-Heat crowd, amazingly, is even worse than the anti-Jimmie Johnson crowd. So LeBron left Cleveland for Miami as a free agent. That's what free agents tend to do when they have better opportunities. Perhaps Cleveland could have kept him if they put as much effort into building their team as they did into writing Comic Sans letters. LeBron (and Bosh) signing with the Heat is no different than what Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen did to get on the Celtics with Paul Pierce and not many basketball fans complained about that. I can understand not liking LeBron, but it's ridiculous when some people deny his talents. Any basketball scholar will tell you he's the most talented guy in the game today. The comparisons to Jordan are a little misguided though, because they are both great players in their own right. LeBron overall is not quite at the same level yet, but he is a better player in several areas and he is still fairly young, so it will be interesting to compare them when he retires. Don't get me wrong, it would have been nice to see Duncan win the title and retire on top, and it would have been nice to see UNC grad Danny Green play an integral role on a title team (never thought he would be the guy off those UNC teams to be a key player on a finals team). On the plus side, at least that flopper Ginobili lost, and I'm not a fan of Gregg Popovich and his mind games. But I have respect for LeBron, Wade, and the Heat. Just because two and a half men (Bosh is certainly no superstar) get on a team together doesn't mean they're instantly going to overpower everyone. This team was flat average when they first came together, but they worked (with a lot of input from Erik Spoelstra) to play as a team and they have earned these past two championships. LeBron's not my favorite player but I appreciate him for his talent and work ethic, and I am certain he will be regarded as a top 5 player in league history when he retires. And I will be able to say that I saw him play. 901. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Intellect and talent are two different categories to me. There is raw talent, which makes the car go fast, but intellect is knowing just how to take corners just right to get the extra tenths. 902. s>The HTML Nut/s> David posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hmm, that strikethrough effect must not work in the name field. 903. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm with Alexander on this one. Race IQ and raw speed/talent are completely different categories. Talent is God-given. Race IQ can be learned. Brad Keselowski would be an example of an intelligent racer, while Kyle Busch is more on the talented side. 904. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 11:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I seem carried away with this HTML thing, that's because I am. 905. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) s>The HTML Nut/s> David is pretty crafty. * s>pounds/s> s>destroys/s> gorilla press slams David* Here's hoping this works. 906. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The HTML Nut David is pretty crafty. * pounds destroys gorilla press slams David* Here's hoping this works. 907. startandparkfan posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) b>Let me try/b> 908. startandparkfan posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) awww 909. startandparkfan posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Off topic, but Do you know the californians on SNL? 910. s>The HTML Nut /s> posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm disappointed by the lack of big names at Road America this weekend. 911. s>The HTML Nut /s> posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Doesn't work... 912. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Startandparkfan, do it like *this*. Start with **and end with ** 913. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ha! I deceived you with that username. hee hee hee... 914. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The thing about Dale was his racing instincts. That is what put him over the top. Nobody in history has been better at dodging wrecks. He just instinctively knew where to go. We all talk about him in The 1987 Winston and him not losing it when he wound up in the grass which displayed his talent. But what about the opening lap of that final segment when Geoff and Bill got together right in front of him, and he went LOW, somehow sliding right through. How did he know to do that? As for not pushing it in the final 1/3 of a season with a big points lead, a lot of that was Richard Childress detuning it even more than normal ccause he knew Dale would push it. Hence the first few laps of the '93 season finale. Besides, the only two times he had drop offs in wins with a big lead was in '87 and '94. And each of those had a ton of Top 5s for which the competition couldn't keep up. Hell, in '87, Dale didn't win any of the final 7 races while Bill won 3 of the last 4, yet Bill only knocked about 110 points off Dale's lead as he had 4 runner ups. He also didn't win after Summer in '93, but that was due to Rusty's winning streak, which Dale minimized by getting those Top 5s. 915. 18fan posted: 06.21.2013 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The problem with LeBron going to Miami was ESPN's "The Decision" which was extremely ridiculous. If he didn't have that people might not have had as big of a problem with it. I don't like LeBron at all, but he performed like the great ones are supposed to perform on the big stage and hit the clutch shot to clinch the title. 916. 18fan posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In 1994, Earnhardt finished 37th at Michigan the same weekend that Ernie had his accident and then, with a big point lead, Dale finished in the top 3 in 8 of the last 10 races, but only won 1 of them. Just like in '93, when Rusty kept winning but Dale was always right behind him so Rusty couldn't gain many points, with the obvious exception being Dover. The TNN crew at that point was, in my opinion, very pro-Rusty and kept trying to blame smoke from Hut Stricklin's car for Hut accelerating slowing and Rusty running him over and then Mike Joy misinterpreted Hut's interview where he didn't specifically blame Rusty but made no mention of a mechanical problem. 917. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The HTML Nut posted: I like doing all these ^fun _effects with /text/. It makes me feel *weird* and /silly/. 918. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan Alex may need to change David's nickname from "Young David" to "HTML Nutjob". *fingers crossed* 919. Eric posted: 06.21.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, One of the big differences between Dale Jr. and Buddy Baker is something that I forgot to mention before despite having the same amount of wins. Dale Earnhardt Jr. Started racing in a different era of Media coverage than Buddy Baker did. Buddy Baker wasn't hyped up at all when he got started. I am mentioned that because The media 25 to 27 years ago was different than now. The Media today is known to over hype Race car drivers more such as ESPN does for Kyle Busch. Back when Buddy Baker was racing, that wasn't the case. The other thing with Media coverage is when one of their "Favorites" is struggling through out a season, they give a ton coverage like what happened to Dale Jr. in 2009 and 2010. 920. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is an *awesome* website; the best racing website in the world. Just sayin'. 921. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Young* _David_, I took Fortran, _Java , and ^Python . I also know some C++... I learn fast. 922. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shut ^up , The Long Shot *Alex.* 923. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think my Jason Leffler post may have broken the RR record for most views. 924. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Damn Darn *_Dang_*, /Nico/. The most I know is ^some HTML and CSS, and a _little Visual Basic. And now for the ultimate code: */__NERDS ^ROCK _/*!!! 925. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Enjoy and savour every minute of Sonoma and Road America this weekend. Next weekend is 3 races in Kentucky, and all 3 have Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski in them. 926. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Next weekend is 3 races in Kentucky, and all 3 have Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski in them." Question: can I predict another epic satire battle at some point next week? Answer: yes I can. 927. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YOU MESSING WITH ME?!?!?! You just awoke the giant, now. 928. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) __We ^Do! _ 929. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This has gone on too long. As a college student, I will refrain from such stupidity on a regular basis and just do it for the occasional pleasure. You two kids keep on going. Here's to Mercedes: at least your goose wasn't cooked. 930. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If this text blinks, then you can shut it. 931. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) /This isn't stupidity, NRF Alex, it's fun./ *THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW!!!!* Just because I am a "kid", doesn't mean I'm less mature than some people on here. 932. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will shut it, in spite of my abilities. 933. Chives5150 posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ford badges are not present on the #32 HendrickCars.com car as of Friday practice. 934. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am just plain awesome. You're right... this is fun. 935. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It gets dull after a while, anyway. 936. Chives5150 posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only Ford logos on the #32 are on the name plate at the top of the front windshield. 937. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You two kids keep on going." Don't tell me what to do. Happy summer solstice, and happy Smallville Day!! 938. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Agreed. I've had my fun, so I'm done. "Just because I am a "kid", doesn't mean I'm less mature than some people on here." I have one or two (or eight) in mind, but I won't name names. You know who you are. (Actually, you probably don't, since you're so immature.) And no, Nico, you're not on that list. I thought I'd clear that up before you pound my head in for the third straight day. 939. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll pound you anyway... anyone else think NASCAR intentionally moved qualifying to Saturday from Friday (where it's been the last 20 years) because the 24 Hours of Le Mans fell this week instead of last week, where in past years they would aired the Truck race at Michigan over part of it? 940. murb posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I wish Jason Bowles was actually driving the 55 in the race instead of just setting it up for Vickers. That would be awesome. 941. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ¿ɹÇ?puÉ?xÇ?×?É? 'op uÉ?É? noÊ? Ê?sÇ?q Ç?É¥Ê? Ê?É?É¥Ê? sı (If that didn't go upside down, I'm screwed.) You know, now that I know a few codes, I'll use them whenever I feel it's necessary. That way I can /italicize/ my text for emphasis instead of CAPITALIZING it every time. 942. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have one or two (or eight) in mind, but I won't name names. You know who you are. (Actually, you probably don't, since you're so immature.)" /No one/ (except the occasional troll) on here is as bad as most people on other sites. "I'll pound you anyway..." NRF, you're a mean person. 943. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Don't tell me what to do." The Nazi Fact-Checker has spoken. Heil, mein Fuhrer David! "I'll pound you anyway..." Ah, I can feel the love eternal hate just because I'm named Alex too. "...anyone else think NASCAR intentionally moved qualifying to Saturday from Friday (where it's been the last 20 years) because the 24 Hours of Le Mans fell this week instead of last week, where in past years they would aired the Truck race at Michigan over part of it?" My guess is that Le Mans probably receives 1 more viewer annually than Cup qualifying, and Brian France is only just now realizing that. 944. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I've created a monster! Oh well, at least you two are clever about it. As for the inevitable satire fest that will come from Brad and Kyle's triple duty excellent adventure next week, don't overdo it and make sure it is funny. A little satire done right is hilarious. When it gets to the point we are cracking on those too stupid to crack on NAPA Know How commercials, it is too much. 945. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Nazi Fact-Checker has spoken. Heil, mein Fuhrer David!" Sicher aller wissen Sie jetzt, dass ich die vorderste Berechtigung auf der Pruefung von Tatsachen bin. Keine andere Person wuerde sich herausfordern mich trauen, da ich der Fuehrer von Tatsachekontrolleuren ueberall bin. Zusammen koennen wir auf eine grosze und prachtvolle Zukunft von korrekten Tatsachen und von Statistiken vorwaerts umziehen. Leben lang das tausend Jahr-Reich von Tatsachekontrolleuren!! Sieg heil!! Sieg heil!! Sieg heil!! 946. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh well, at least you two are clever about it." *exasperated* Well... 947. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As for the inevitable satire fest that will come from Brad and Kyle's triple duty excellent adventure next week, don't overdo it and make sure it is funny. A little satire done right is hilarious. When it gets to the point we are cracking on those too stupid to crack on NAPA Know How commercials, it is too much." Yes. PLEASE, can we not have any more Kyle Petty "That's incredible" comments? While I'll admit that I posted the 2 "Kyle Petty" comments back on Sunday, at least I used different Petty sound-bytes. If we do have another satire convention next week, try and make it more like the Nationwide Charlotte page, which is still my personal favorite comments page of all time. 948. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sono tre person. Sono uno delle persone. Mi guido molto automobili che vanno molto veloce! Sono le Duce del HTML! 949. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sicher aller wissen Sie jetzt, dass ich die vorderste Berechtigung auf der Pruefung von Tatsachen bin. Keine andere Person wuerde sich herausfordern mich trauen, da ich der Fuehrer von Tatsachekontrolleuren ueberall bin. Zusammen koennen wir auf eine grosze und prachtvolle Zukunft von korrekten Tatsachen und von Statistiken vorwaerts umziehen. Leben lang das tausend Jahr-Reich von Tatsachekontrolleuren!! Sieg heil!! Sieg heil!! Sieg heil!!" Ummm...uhhh...nein comprende da Deutsch! (After checking Google Translate) Very true. 950. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "If we do have another satire convention next week, try and make it more like the Nationwide Charlotte page, which is still my personal favorite comments page of all time." Heck yeah!! That's my favorite, too. That was also so fun, especially with NRF and I doing nonstop Marty Reid comments. The word "history" or a form of it was mentioned over 200 times!! "Yes. PLEASE, can we not have any more Kyle Petty 'That's incredible' comments?" Yeah, especially since they copied my original comment. That's not cool, man. 951. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My comments keep taking longer and longer to show up... means I've said too much. 952. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "My comments keep taking longer and longer to show up... means I've said too much." Or that some of your earlier codes ticked off the webmaster. 953. 83andJoe posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They copied your comment? That's incredible! ;) 954. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ë?unÉ? É¥É?nɯ ooÊ? sı sıɥÊ? Let's try this. 955. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trying again. 956. NicoRosbergFans posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wingdings don't work, guys. I am offended that DSFF didn't mention me. 957. joey2448 posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jesus Christ, you guys are ridiculous. Post #900, that sums up my thoughts EXACTLY. 958. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They copied your comment? That's incredible!" *takes a hint from NicoRosbergFan and strangles 83andJoe Bart Simpson-style* "I am offended that DSFF didn't mention me." DSFF didn't mention anybody in particular; he just said that there were 2 people instead of 3. I had assumed that he was talking about you and David, considering you used the codes more often and more creatively than I did. "Jesus Christ, you guys are ridiculous." We try our best. 959. Smiff_2 posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Geeeeeeeze, you guys are off your rockers today! lol 960. Anthony posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Wow 23 dislikes on the first comment that's moe than Danica's pole run @ Daytona. Why so people disrespect me >:( 961. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jesus Christ, you guys are ridiculous." We're also silly, weird, crazy, and nutty, take your pick. "Why so people disrespect me" Well, it doesn't help to have a death wish for someone on you record. 962. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another dose to come... if webmaster finds it... I think he re-did the comments page so that he MUST approve comments with HTML code in them, just like links. 963. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Why so people disrespect me" Let's see: we disagreed with the comment, you have a history of being a troll, and to be honest, I can't take anybody seriously who can't spell correctly. 964. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I personally have disrespected it multiple times. 965. jabber1990 posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why so people disrespect me >:( " dont feel bad I feel your pain, sometimes I feel as though I am ignored in their defense...I am always talking about my stories, getting my facts wrong (kinda), asking stupid questions, and talking about how Aliens killed JFK the rest of the time I say relevant things, and I have caused a number of discussions before. so I feel kinda better 966. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) All our IP addresses are being forwarded to the psychiatric hospitals near our ares. 967. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I can't take anybody seriously who can't spell correctly." Same here. It's shocking, how some people have no command of the English language. 968. joey2448 posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) By the way, Jimmie Johnson is struggling in the practice sessions at Sonoma today. He spun at the top of the hill (turn 4?) in the first practice, and ended up 21st on the charts, and now he just spun in turn 10 (the one leading up to the hairpin), and is currently 25th on the charts in the second practice. Also, the road course ringers aren't doing too hot either. 969. cjs3872 posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (15) (0) Is anybody on here serious any more? Golly gee, some of these crazy stuff I've seen done the last couple of days are insane. Why don't we just stick to just legitimate commenting. Some of this stuff has completely gotten out of hand. We need to get rid of the satire, and get rid of the some of the other ridiculous posting, and get back to legitimate commenting. 970. jabber1990 posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) if Boris Said, or some other ringer ran the #47 would that be a good measuring stick to how legitimate/illegitmate that team is? 971. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dude...I think cjs just got mad. He's got a point, though. At least about a few things. 972. JG24FanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This year was their answer to Jeff's '97 Winston Cup championship, in that you are left asking yourself "how in the world was it so close in the end?"" Gordon might have been burned out from taking an inferior Chevy to 10 wins and the Triple Crown during the season. Either way,he was the Champ. "2a) Did he get injured more than he let on after his Texas '99 crash? To this day, he still talks about that one, and the uncertainty it brought afterwards. Considering some of the savage licks he's taken since then and doesn't say much about (like Pocono '06), I'd say something about that left an impression on him." He has said before that crashed could have killed him. That's the biggest reason I think it was his worst wreck. 973. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "By the way, Jimmie Johnson is struggling in the practice sessions at Sonoma today." Sweet. But just watch, once the race begins, that #48 car will be plowing through the field like gangbusters. 974. 18fan posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It looks like Bowyer, Kurt, JPM, and Ambrose have been the quickest cars. If that is the case in the race, I would put my money on Bowyer. Ambrose hasn't proven to be able to win without outside circumstances, the 78 team hasn't put a complete race together yet, and JPM has had issues closing races (although he got screwed at Richmond when he had that race won and Stewart was much faster than him at the end in Dover). But you cannot count out Gordon and Stewart, plus Kyle, Harvick and McMurray (the latter is a very good road racer who doesn't have all the finishes to show for his ability). And, unfortunately, that damn 48 car will probably be a factor. He does have 4 straight top 10s, including 3 top 5s. Denny Hamlin crashed in practice and is going to a backup car. He also has 3 straight 34th or worse finishes at Sonoma. I think his Chase hopes are over unless he reels off a bunch of wins (which that team is not capable of right now). 975. Chives5150 posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't believe how many people are having problems in these two practice sessions so far. 976. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The ringers are probably struggling due to never having drove a Gen 6 car before. Hopefully they've learned enough through the practices to have decent qualifying runs so they'll have a chance in the race. It would be especially entertaining to see Villeneuve running near the front. 977. JG24FanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We need to get rid of the satire, and get rid of the some of the other ridiculous posting, and get back to legitimate commenting." cjs3872,Will you please make a list of your Top 20 greatest Indy Car drivers? I've been wanting to here your opinion on the subject since you seem to be the Indy expert on here. 978. jabber1990 posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) why are the road course races only 220 miles long? why aren't they like 400 miles or 500 miles like every other race? 979. murb posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Thank you CJS. I've been saying for a couple weeks now that the satire is getting out of hand, but apparently a few of my fellow posters haven't gotten the memo. Guys, it's absolutely fine to have fun on here. We encourage that. But the joke comments and now this crazy/wild text phenomenon have taken it overboard. There's a difference between using sarcasm in a serious post (like DSFF did with the Danica/Tom Cruise comment) and just being down right obnoxious. I'm sorry, but you guys are being down right obnoxious. I was just as guilty of it as I participated on the All Star race page a little bit, but I realized that it was starting to become ridiculous. All I have left to say is that I will be heartbroken if this place turns into just another racing joke forum. We have a special place here. So don't ruin it. On a completely different note, Hamlin and Johnson have looked like rookies out there in practice today. 980. joey2448 posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A crewmember of Hamlin's team was in the back trunk area trying to push out the back fender damage on his car, lol. 981. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All right. In accordance with cjs's mini-rant, I say we put off all satire, silliness, wacky HTML coding, goofy commenting, etc., at least until the tripleheader next week at Kentucky. Agreed? Good. "It would be especially entertaining to see Villeneuve running near the front." Yeah, until he almost-inevitably takes someone out. 982. joey2448 posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber, the races at Riverside, Calif. back in the 60's and 70's actually were 500 miles long, and they took FOREVER to complete. A 500-mile race on a road course is a long race. 983. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "why aren't they like 400 miles or 500 miles like every other race?" Because the only car that would cross the finish line would be the pace car. In, short, it would take a REALLY LONG TIME. 984. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Guys, it's absolutely fine to have fun on here. We encourage that. But the joke comments and now this crazy/wild text phenomenon have taken it overboard. There's a difference between using sarcasm in a serious post (like DSFF did with the Danica/Tom Cruise comment) and just being down right obnoxious. I'm sorry, but you guys are being down right obnoxious. " Nice going, NRF and Long Shot. Now you got us all in trouble. ;) 985. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) At least we all go down together! 986. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You know I haven't been called obnoxious in a really long time. Now I'm ashamed of myself. "At least we all go down together!" Shut your mouth!! 987. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The Silence of the Fans... Looks like we are in for a demo-derby on Sunday. Should make for a long boring race... sad considering drivers used to make fewer mistakes on the much more difficult Riverside during 500 milers that took 6 hours. 988. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Personally, I can't wait to see how the IndyCar qualifying format goes tomorrow. One timed lap and THREE heat races...should be very interesting. 989. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.21.2013 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Riverside never struck me as being "much more difficult" than Sonoma. I'd say the opposite, in fact. Most of Riverside's turns were high speed ones, while Sonoma has several tight ones that are incredibly difficult for a stock car to navigate, plus inverse banking in places. Also, if you include the Carousel, that makes Sonoma considerably more difficult than it is with the Chute. 990. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Fast turns are worse because precision becomes important. 991. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) http://photos.speedtv.com/gallery/LEMANS_Nissan_Unveils_2014_Garage_56_Entry/slideshow/Nissan_ZEOD_RC/0dUpbpI28ugmh The flying penis is back. 992. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.21.2013 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Is anybody on here serious any more? Golly gee, some of these crazy stuff I've seen done the last couple of days are insane. Why don't we just stick to just legitimate commenting. Some of this stuff has completely gotten out of hand. We need to get rid of the satire, and get rid of the some of the other ridiculous posting, and get back to legitimate commenting." In spite of being one of the offenders, nobody else on this entire forum could have worded that in a more convincing and more respectful manner. 993. cjs3872 posted: 06.21.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Actually, Riverside was much faster, faster than even Watkins Glen, much less Sonoma, especially with that straightaway that made Talladega's backstretch look short, which was why they could run longer races there than they ever could at Sonoma or Watkins Glen, even now. And let's not forget that when they shortened the course at Sonoma, they actually lengthened the race by a little more than 30 miles. After all, they had the same problem with a 74-lap race that they will at Road America with a 50-lap race, and that is that one lap takes quite a bit of the race distance, and one caution period of three laps on the original course they ran at took about 4% of the entire race distance, much like a three lap caution at Road America would take 6% of the race distance there. But the 500-mile races at Riverside were 191 laps, which meant that a short caution didn't take very much of the race distance to run, and even the final race there was about 250 miles (95 laps, to be exact), which is about the mileage for both road course events combined. And NicoRosbergFan, you say that fast turns on a road course are worse because precision becomes more important. But I'm not sure there's a road course where precision is more important than it is at Sonoma because of the slow, tight corners. At Riverside back when they ran there, as well as Watkins Glen, precision is not really that important because of the higher-speed corners. The higher-speed corners allow drivers to "hang it out", which actually means precision is not as important. There's a reason why Jeff Gordon is much better at Sonoma than he is at Watkins Glen these days, and that is that technique and precision are far more important at Sonoma, and tracks that require precision are the ones he does best at. But Tony Stewart has always been better at Watkins Glen than at Sonoma because you don't have to be as precise there, and he has struggled somewhat at Sonoma, though most any other driver in the field would envy his Sonoma record, as well. Marcos Ambrose has always fared better at Watkins Glen for the exact same reason. You have to be more aggressive at Watkins Glen, but you have to be more precise at Sonoma, which penalizes errors more. 994. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In spite of being one of the offenders, nobody else on this entire forum could have worded that in a more convincing and more respectful manner." Seconded. 995. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRF, that is, without a doubt, THE most unsightly vehicle I have ever had the misfortune of seeing. "There's a reason why Jeff Gordon is much better at Sonoma than he is at Watkins Glen these days, and that is that technique and precision are far more important at Sonoma, and tracks that require precision are the ones he does best at." Which is why he is the best. And the fact that he still has four wins at the Glen proves that he can adapt to either style of road racing. But lately, the Glen has been a nightmare for him. Interestingly enough, considering the discussion some of us had earlier, Dale Earnhardt was most likely the same way. His lone road course win was at Sonoma, yet at Watkins Glen, he had many unforced errors (ask DSFF). But in spite of all that, we can't discount his "It Hurts So Good" pole and run in 1996. 996. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, I wonder where Paul's been? 997. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nicoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! There, I mentioned you :) As for those saying we should be more serious, this is what we are having to do to endure this awful season. 998. JG24FanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon at Sonoma: Wins: 5 and 3 consecutive (nobody else has more than 2.) Races led most: 7 Poles: 5 (second is Rudd with 4.) Top 5's: 12 (second is Rudd with 10.) Top 10's: 16 (second is Martin with 13.) Laps Led: 450!! (second is Rusty with 171!?) He led the most laps 5 straight years from 1998-2002 and is currently on a run of 7 consecutive Top 9 finishes. In 2009 He took the white flag in 13th and finished 9th. 999. cjs3872 posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, if Earnhardt doesn't lose it on his own with just a few laps to go at Watkins Glen in 1993 while he was leading the race, leading to the first of three consecutive wins in that race for Mark Martin, I'm not sure people wouldn't think more highly of Dale, Sr. on road courses, because that would have given him two on road courses. On the other hand, maybe what happened at Sonoma 18 years ago with Mark Martin sliding in a patch of oil, allowing Earnhardt to pass him to win the race was just the racing gods' way of evening things out on the road courses for Earnhardt after all the frustration over the years, which was much like his Daytona 500 misfortune to date, close but no cigar. I remember Earnhardt stating four goals for the 1995 season, of which he accomplished two that year. One was winning he Daytona 500 and another was winning an eighth championship. The other two were winning at Indy and winning on a road course, both of which he accomplished that year, and of course, he accomplished the third of those goals in 1998 with his lone Daytona 500 victory, which was a moment everyone wishes was frozen in time because of events that occurred in that race three years later. But he never accomplished the biggest of those goals, the eighth title. That's somewhat reminiscent of what Jimmie Johnson said his goals for 2010 were. Other than another championship, he said his goals for that season were winning a qualifying race, winning at Bristol, and winning on a road course, and of course, he accomplished every one of those goals by mid-season, with a little help from NASCAR's restart rules (Bristol) and possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen a driver do in a Cup race in nearly 25 years of watching the sport (Marcos Ambrose trying to idle the car at Sonoma going UPHILL). 1000. murb posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "By the way, I wonder where Paul's been?" I don't mean to be rude, but I think he might be a bit frustrated with all of the shenanigans that has been going on here lately. 1001. JG24FanForever posted: 06.21.2013 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "if Earnhardt doesn't lose it on his own with just a few laps to go at Watkins Glen in 1993 while he was leading the race" He was running second when he crashed into a spinning Kyle Petty. 1002. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't mean to be rude, but I think he might be a bit frustrated with all of the shenanigans that has been going on here lately." Don't worry, I was thinking the same thing. "As for those saying we should be more serious, this is what we are having to do to endure this awful season." Thanks a lot, DSFF. You ruined a perfectly good apology I had ready. 1003. David posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) :) 1004. cjs3872 posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks for correcting me, JG24FF. I had thought it was Earnhardt that spun, collecting Petty, but it was apparently the other way around. In any event, it cost Earnhardt a probable win that day and set up the first of three consecutive wins at Watkins Glen by Mark Martin. 1005. murb posted: 06.21.2013 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen a driver do in a Cup race in nearly 25 years of watching the sport (Marcos Ambrose trying to idle the car at Sonoma going UPHILL)." I think I'd have to agree. The only one in my mind that really comes close to that is Mark coming down pit road one lap early at Bristol and losing the race to David Green in 1994, but that one was a bit more understandable since it was a confusing yellow flag finish. But Ambrose's was way dumber because aside from the uphill part, if I remember correctly, he didn't even have to save fuel. Again, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure fuel wasn't even really in question for them. So it's basically like he was saving fuel for no reason, in addition to the moronic move to cut it off while running uphill. I like Ambrose personally. He's got a great personality. But if you think about it, he has given away several sure race wins over the years. Of course there was this 2010 Sonoma debacle, but he also gave away the NNS Montreal races in 2008 (speeding penalty) and 2009 (the last corner choke job that handed Carl the win). And you can even make an argument for the 2007 race at Montreal where he spun Robby Gordon, who inevitably paid him back. So while I like Marcos and his personality, he's definitely not a guy I would want in my race car if it came down to the end of the race. 1006. cjs3872 posted: 06.21.2013 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But murb, the incident with Mark Martin coming down pit road a lap too early was in a Busch/Nationwide race. And Cale Yarborough had done that at the end of the 1984 Firecracker 400, which cost him second place in that event. That was even dumber than what Ambrose did, but since that was in a Nationwide race, Ambrose's move was probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a Cup race. A five-year old wouldn't make that mistake because even a five-year old would know that gravity makes things flow downward, yet a driver with many years of racing experience makes that mistake. I can understand him trying to conserve fuel, but if you're gong to cut the engine off, do it where you're going downhill, where gravity will help you, instead of uphill, where gravity works against you. 1007. The Long Shot posted: 06.21.2013 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Is anybody on here serious any more? Golly gee, some of these crazy stuff I've seen done the last couple of days are insane. Why don't we just stick to just legitimate commenting. Some of this stuff has completely gotten out of hand. We need to get rid of the satire, and get rid of the some of the other ridiculous posting, and get back to legitimate commenting." First off, let me say that I respect you a lot, cjs, and I completely agree that the commenting has gotten way out of hand over these last couple of days. The HTML wars got way too crazy for their own good (and yes, I'm saying this after participating in them). While I'm not saying that we should talk about nothing but NASCAR on this site (quite the contrary, in fact: I love that we can talk about subjects besides NASCAR; it makes this site truly one-of-a-kind), I think we should keep the craziness down to a minimum. However, while I also feel that the satirical comments should really be minimized, especially for legitimate races like this weekend at Sonoma and Road America, I disagree with cjs that we should take them out completely. There are limits that we need to respect when making satirical comments, obviously, but to be honest, after Jimmie Johnson or Kyle Busch have just scored a dominating win in Cup, Nationwide, or Truck, what is there to talk about? After boring races like those, satire battles like the ones on the All-Star Race page and the Nationwide Charlotte page are a way of improving everybody's mood, and therefore, I think we should keep them. As for banning, nobody except the webmaster has the right to ban satirical comments from appearing on these pages. Instead of installing bans for certain races, I would prefer that each of us just use our own common judgement as to whether or not this would be a good time to post a satirical comment. The only exceptions would be cases like last week's Nationwide race, where we kept it clean in honor of the passing of Jason Leffler. The point I'm trying to make is that while I think the posting should maybe be kept a little less crazy, I don't think any limits should be put on them. I love the racing discussions, since after all, that's why we're here and using this website, but I like seeing what other topics are brought up by each of the different posters, like the video games discussion earlier on this page. It's discussions like these that make this website, in my opinion, so utterly fantastic. 1008. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually Dale's performance at Watkins Glen wasn't as bad as I thought it was. He did have unforced errors in '99 and '00, but I thought he had a lot more. I recently watched the 1990 Bud At The Glen on YouTube. I specifically remember watching that race live at the time when I was 6 years old. The way I remembered it, Dale spun himself out cutting Rusty off in Turn 1, then spun three additional times unassisted. The truth is the Rusty incident was Rusty driving in way too hard. Shades of The Great Wilkesboro Incident Of Eighty Nine, he was in Dale's door well before the corner. Dale recovered and looked to have a Top 5 finish locked up. But on their last pit stop his crew smartly (and by "smartly" I mean "stupidly") changed only right side tires. The whole race people had been bblowing out left side tires, the more abused tires on a clockwise road course, and the ones people had been dipping off in the grass on corner exit. He blew a left rear tire coming out of the esses and looped it. I also thought he crashed unassisted at The Glen in '95. The truth is his transmission lost 2nd and 4th gears early. But we can't overlook he was a Top 5 machine at Riverside, he has the 5th most Top 5s in the history of the track and he only got to run there for 9 seasons, the guys ahead of him have way more starts. He also had a damn good record at Sears Point. Its just that he only won once. In a 5 lap EPIC duel with Mark Martin, a fellow dirt track guy, after somebody dropped rear end grease all over the track. Watching those two slipping and sliding through those turns is still fun as hell to watch. 1009. murb posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But murb, the incident with Mark Martin coming down pit road a lap too early was in a Busch/Nationwide race." Yeah, but in my post I wasn't really distinguishing between Cup and NNS. I was just referring to all of the biggest brain fades in all of Nascar. 1010. joey2448 posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another guy that's been missing from this site for quite some time is Spen...what happened to him? 1011. Jim Davis posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Austin Dillon is driving a Ken Schrader car at Road America in the ARCA race tomorrow. Unfortunately, no TV coverage. Apparently Dillon feels he needs the seat time on a road course. Just out of curiosity, where do stock car drivers get their first taste of road racing? Kyle Larson has a dirt background; are there dirt road courses? Do drivers with late model backgrounds like Chase Elliott and Johanna Long ever see a road course before getting to a NASCAR national touring series? Not that Long will ever see a road course while stuck at ML Racing, of course. 1012. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Another guy that's been missing from this site for quite some time is Spen...what happened to him?" He's been with his lady friend, without Internet access. 1013. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The NHRA isn't interested in bringing IRP up to NASCAR's safety standards; the last few years Nationwide and Trucks ran there they were basically running under a wavier. Cash for improvements (like raising that backstretch wall...) would have to be coughed up, and unless the track changes ownership that's not going to happen." If that's true, then that's a damn shame. Sounds like the track needs to change ownership to get the changes in safety and the facilities that it needs. I know I missed the NASCAR video game talk, but I suppose it's never too late to add my thoughts on it. The early EA Sports games were the best of their history of NASCAR games (I played them all on the PlayStation 2), and Eutechnyx did have a solid start on the PS3 and 360 with NASCAR the Game: 2011. But like some people here already said, the game has lots of flaws, like wrecking for no reason sometimes when online races start, as well as the AI going slow on offline races, even on the hardest difficulties. I haven't played Inside Line yet, but I've watched all kinds of videos of it on YouTube and I think it could be better than 2011. As far as the ratings for comments here go, I don't care that they are here as much as others seem to. It's not going to stop me from coming here and posting my opinion if someone dislikes my comment. At first I thought something big might have happened in the racing world when I saw that this page now has over 1,000 comments. Now I see some people were playing around with the HTML codes of this site. 1014. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 2:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Now I see some people were playing around with the HTML codes of this site." Yeah, those darn Alex twins, NRF and The Long Shot, were being little brats. ;) (obviously being facetious, I was a part of it, too) 1015. 13 posted: 06.22.2013 - 3:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope someone posts qualifying on youtube as it sounds interesting and ill be at a car show tommorrow 1016. 83andJoe posted: 06.22.2013 - 3:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty sure the only dirt road courses are the courses the off-road trucks run on. 1017. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.22.2013 - 5:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 83andJoe, that's exactly correct, although in the past some tracks had partial dirt sections or were fully dirt, like Daytona Beach and Willow Springs. 1018. JG24FanForever posted: 06.22.2013 - 7:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872,Pleeeeeease give me your Top 20 greatest Indy-car drivers! I need to know what you think:) << that's a smiley face BTW. 1019. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.22.2013 - 7:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey If Kit ever comes back He should give us a long explanation for his absence. 1020. The Long Shot posted: 06.22.2013 - 8:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, those darn Alex twins, NRF and The Long Shot, were being little brats. ;) (obviously being facetious, I was a part of it, too)" Heck, you started it, David. We simply tagged along for the ride, and both of us stopped before you did. "I haven't played Inside Line yet, but I've watched all kinds of videos of it on YouTube and I think it could be better than 2011." It is a lot better than 2011. The graphics and controls are improved, and there are way less glitches than there were on 2011. The AI still has it's derps and bugs (they wreck on pit road an awful lot), but the game in general is a lot nicer and cleaner than 2011 was. Speaking of coming back, where in the world has 24over48 gone? He said he was returning from his trip this week, and yet I haven't seen head nor tails of him. If he hasn't posted his Sonoma/Road America page within the next few hours, I'll be posting my predictions on the other blog. 1021. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.22.2013 - 9:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Huge shunt for Allen Simonsen... hasn't spoken to the team on the radio yet... hope he's all right. 1022. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 9:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Heck, you started it, David. We simply tagged along for the ride, and both of us stopped before you did." Hey, in my defense, I was fascinated by by the codes. I wasn't intentionally being obnoxious at first. Then I stepped out for a while, and that's when it escalated. If you remember, I never used color in mine. But you know what? I was joking anyway. I do that quite a bit. 1023. cjs3872 posted: 06.22.2013 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, I haven't really thought about a list of the top 20 IndyCar drivers of all-time, and thusly haven't formulated such a list. The only thing I can give you on that are the top two drivers, which would, of course, be A.J. Foyt at #1 and Mario Andretti at #2. To me, that's obvious, but since I haven't formulated such a list or given it much time, I can't do it at this point. And The Long Shot (#1007), I think it's up to the posters to stop the satirical comments and other ridiculous postings, and the webmaster should only get involved if they really get out of hand, but I think those that post should really be the ones to stop it. But if they do get out of hand, then I think the webmaster should step in and delete those satirical posts and other non-comments that appeared on here a couple of days ago. 1024. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Speaking of coming back, where in the world has 24over48 gone?" I don't know. Anywhere from West Virginia to Mars. 1025. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 10:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We simply tagged along for the ride" "Who is the greater fool: the fool, or the fool that follows him?" -Obi-Wan Kenobi You know, in my year of being here, I have never made my list of greatest Cup drivers ever. I might just have to do that sometime. The New Jersey State Police ruled that a mechanical failure was to blame for Jason Leffler's fatal crash. It's on Jayski. 1026. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 11:07 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) I hope the Johnsonville Sausage 200 qualifying gets done soon, so the webmaster can post the link. *rimshot* 1027. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allen Simonsen has passed away :( God be with his family at this time. RIP Allen Simonsen 1975-2013. 1028. cjs3872 posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's always a sad thing to hear, NicoRosbergFan. The really bad part about it is that, if what my father always said is right, who will be next because he always told me that good things and bad things come in threes. First Jason Leffler, and now Allen Simonsen. If you believe things like this go in threes, who's the third one? Frankly, I hope nobody's that third one. 1029. cjs3872 posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not only that, but I just went to SPEED.com, and learned that the Simonsen crash occurred on lap 3. They also spent more than a hour behind the pace car to repair the fencing were the crash happened. Since the 24 Hours of LeMans is a timed race, would it have been a good idea to stop the race to give the officials and track workers more time to repair the fence without a having to worry about the field, although as long as that course is (over 8 miles in length), that's not as big a problem as it would be at other tracks. I bring up that question because it wouldn't change when the race would end if they did stop it. That kind of thing has happened at other endurance races. The only thing stopping the race would do is to shorten the distance they would run in the race, since the time the race would end is already set. 1030. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.22.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've watched the entire race since the French tri-color was waved to start the race. It was better to keep the cars moving because then there might have been too much commotion in the pits and the wreck had happened out of the way. They regularly have 1-4 hours cautions for fog without red-flagging these races. 1031. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How sad...R.I.P. Allan Simonsen. They say deaths come in threes. First Dick Trickle, then Jason Leffler, and now this. This has sort of become a tragic year for motorsports. 1032. startandparkfan posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) R.I.P Allan Simonsen 1033. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think Kit just gave up on the sport and rode his motorcycle out of here. I miss him, we agreed on a lot of stuff, one of which was our unhappiness with the direction of the sport. He probabably did what most of us have considered and quit torturing himself. 1034. cjs3872 posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And on the 20th anniversary of 1993, when Alan Kulwicki and Davey Allison both lost their lives in aviation crashes, then Roger McCluskey lost a battle with cancer. Three racing champions, although none lost their lives while racing. 1993 was about the most tragic year in sports I can remember. That year, not only did Kulwicki, Allison, and McCluskey all lose their lives, but so did Dodger icons Roy Campanella and Don Drysdale, and Celtics star Reggie Lewis, all within about two weeks of each other. Not to mention that Jim Valvano also lost his battle with cancer that year. And those are just the ones I can think of off the top. It can be argued the 1994 was even worse for racing, but 1993 was really bad across the sports world. 1035. jabber1990 posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was listening to the 24 as well, right after the caution I switched it over to listen to Car Talk..now I feel terrible about it I was also hoping to post a few things about the 24...but nevermind now 1036. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shocking news from Le Mans about Allan, thoughts and prayers with his family and friends in Denmark and Australia. He was such a talented and versatile driver and was best on circuits like Bathurst and the Nurburgring. 1037. murb posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to hear that yet another racer has passed away. RIP Allan Simonsen. 1038. The Long Shot posted: 06.22.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terrible news about Allan Simonsen. I flipped on the race this morning just to see what was going on, and I was just able to catch a replay of Simonsen's crash. While it was certainly a hard crash, I didn't think much about it and assumed that Simonsen was OK. Very sad to hear that he was not. Rest in peace, Allan. 1039. Schroeder51 posted: 06.22.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RIP Allen Simonsen. Another fatal racing crash, and so soon after Leffler's...damn, that's unbelievable. 1040. Schroeder51 posted: 06.22.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Victor Gonzalez just crashed in qualifying. 1041. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.22.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well, it took all of 1 minute for the "43 best drivers in the world" to screw up the new qualifying deal on road courses. 1042. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy... When NRF first posted about it, on one hand, I didn't think much of it, but on the other hand, I thought "what if this is more bad news?". Sadly, it was the latter. Rest in peace, Allan Simonsen. 1043. Schroeder51 posted: 06.22.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think Truex broke on his qualifying lap. 1044. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.22.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) R.I.P. Allan Simonsen 1045. Schroeder51 posted: 06.22.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McMurray wins the pole! 1046. The Long Shot posted: 06.22.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How about McMurray knocking Ambrose off the pole position? Nice job by that man. Looks like Ambrose might have an engine problem. Announcers say he's flipping a lot of switches inside his car. 1047. David posted: 06.22.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dang you, Schroeder, you beat me to it!! 1048. Anthony posted: 06.22.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) A troll??????????????????????? I'm gonna be a STAR Broadcaster I wanna surpass Ken Squier! Besides why should I sit here & talk to you guy now I got like 43 dislikes you people are just out of hand. I'm family here U can't treat me Like this! 1049. The Long Shot posted: 06.26.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew: none 1050. Anthony posted: 06.26.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 1,050 1051. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 05.11.2014 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So THIS was the html wars I missed out on. Makes me more glad that I 'leave' the site after the Pocono event usually. 1052. numbah10hatah posted: 05.12.2014 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey. 1053. Qwerty posted: 08.06.2015 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Last career win for Greg Biffle 1054. Accutech posted: 09.27.2015 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor update: #11 FedEx Express 2005 Jason Leffler Tribute 1055. Braindead Zombie posted: 03.08.2016 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) If you're looking for the HTML war, it starts at comment #885. 1056. Maverick19 posted: 03.24.2017 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well 1053 has some truth to it now. 1057. chevyfan98 posted: 03.24.2017 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also to date Roush's only Gen6 win by someone other than Edwards, and I don't see a very high chance of that changing anytime soon. 1058. Windows Millennium Edition posted: 03.24.2017 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Also to date Roush's only Gen6 win by someone other than Edwards, and I don't see a very high chance of that changing anytime soon." I wouldn't speak very soon. It still is very early in the season, but judging by the way Roush has run so far this year, I wouldn't be so surprised to see Bayne or Stenhouse find their way to victory lane this season. Dropping the #16 car from their roster was a genius move, as they don't have to stretch their resources over three cars anymore and will only help the team in the long run. 1059. Johnnyboy2068 posted: 05.02.2018 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Likely Biffle's last win 1060. Spen posted: 08.22.2018 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not only Biffle's last win, but to date the last win by a driver born in the 1960's in any of the top three series. 1061. Sandy posted: 06.08.2019 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1059 Until The Truck Series At Texas 2019 1062. Rich posted: 12.19.2020 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adam Alexander, Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty were the commentators. Marty Snider, Chris Neville, Ralph Sheheen and Matt Yocum were the pit road reporters. Larry McReynolds was the in-race analyst. Lindsay Czarniak was the studio host. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: