|| *Comments on the 2013 Quaker State 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.28.2013 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s first pole in 2013. 2. 13 posted: 06.28.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, wish carl coulda got the pole in UPS's only race 3. We need more Onion posted: 06.28.2013 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great qualifying times by Dale Jr. and Ambrose. Congrats to them. Front Row on the other hand looks painfully slow. 4. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.28.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dale Earnhardt Jr. wins his first pole of the season. He last won the pole at Richmond last season, where he finished a lap down in 14th. AJ Allmendinger qualifies 17th, the best starting position for JTG Daugherty all season by 3 positions. I know it's just qualifying, but it does look like the driver was partially the problem there. Scott Riggs' first attempt since Martinsville over 2 and half months ago where he was not the slowest qualifier (42/43). I'm setting the over/under for his laps completed tomorrow night at 30. Ken Schrader was woefully slow, even Riggs beat him by 4 tenths. And wow, fast work, Webmaster! That kind of commitment is why people like me keep coming here. 5. David posted: 06.28.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "And wow, fast work, Webmaster!" He's the best in the land. 6. We need more Onion posted: 06.28.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And wow, fast work, Webmaster! That kind of commitment is why people like me keep coming here. " NLA, you would never guess how fast they are with everything, on the other day I was watching some old ('94) CART races and noticed that the DNQs are missing. I wrote them, note that most of those races had no comments in years, gone to the supermarket and when I came back they were already up. Kudos to the Webmaster. 7. 83andJoe posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The only thing slow to update is crew chief data, but that's presumably more complex! But yeah, this is simply the best racing site out there, bar none. 8. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, this webmaster is great. I looked up the death dates of Bill Snowden and Ted Chamberlain, submitted, and bam two hours later they were up. 9. Schroeder51 posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can attest to that. I submitted the DNQs for some of the old Daytona 500s, and a day or so after I submitted them, they were already there. You can't accuse the webmaster of not being dedicated! 10. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) Brad in the Top 10? Did his throttle stick? Lol at all the drivers and media types getting wound up over Kyle Petty's comments. Somebody had to say it! She is terrible. The only thing Kyle was wrong about is saying she can qualify. The truth is she can't qualify OR race, she is equally bad at both. The only reason her avg finish is 7 spot higher (a paltry 25th) than qualifying is the S&P's, half of which outqualify her, and in race attrition. At Michigan, you think she would have finished ahead of all 4 HMS cars if they didn't have trouble? She is so far behind where she needs to be, and watching all her apologists scramble to make excuses for her is pathetic, yet hilarious. Hopefully somebody who says what is on their mind says something about her EVERY week. Brad, I'm looking at you! You're up next. 11. murb posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Webmaster = Legend. Simple as that. Our stimulating discussions are what make this comment board what it is, but The Webmaster is the man that makes it all possible. 12. We need more Onion posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well, read the article on that Petty incident and I found this bit hilarious: Kyle Petty: 'The general argument against my opinions today are as follows � 2- I have a ponytail" 13. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, I guess Kyle figured he had already said a lot by saying she wasn't a race car driver. He must have figured that he had to add some complement in there. 14. Sector posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love how this site is arranged. Speaking of, I'm actually surprised on the list of Champion's page that the crew chiefs aren't link to their respectable crew chief's statistics page. This site is pure legitimate. Keep it up. 15. Kenny posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DAMN......how did Jr do this? First Austin now Jr this is a grate weekend so far for me :D 16. murb posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Why is everyone surprised that Kyle Petty called her out? He's been epicly calling her out (which she deserves) ever since she came to Nascar. When she first came in, he said the same thing. I remember at one point he said that "she's not a race driver, she's a marketing tool" (which, you know, she is). So I don't get why everyone waited this long to give him shit over his Danica bashing. 17. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.28.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course, on the other hand, I submitted a correction about the inaugural Charlotte in 49 and he ignored it... you win some and lose some :P Still the best webmaster in history, even better than a spider. 18. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 06.28.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Johnson looks like the guy to beat. 19. David posted: 06.28.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I can get around to watching the 1989 DieHard 500 (the computer's a little slow), I want to submit the caution data (what caused the caution, specifically). 20. RaceFanX posted: 06.28.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First Cup race without Bobby Labonte since the 1992 Hooters 500, ending his 704-race consecutive start streak. 21. Chives5150 posted: 06.28.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow, Brad and company were actually fast straight off the hauler! 22. NOOO posted: 06.28.2013 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Bobby :( 23. cjs3872 posted: 06.28.2013 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) And so was Jeff Gordon for once, Chives5150. Actually, Gordon's 12th place qualifying run was a disappointment, since he was in the top five in BOTH practices. As long as Alan Gustafson doesn't screw t up, Gordon could have a good night and possibly do the impossible, and that's to complete the cycle of winning on EVERY track on which he's competed in NASCAR's top series. That would be the greatest accomplishment any driver's ever had, certainly in the modern history of the sport, if not the entire history of the sport. He's the only driver with a chance to do that, since Rockingham is a track that both Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart raced at, but never won at. Gordon won there four times. 24. JRacingFast posted: 06.29.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if Bruton "Boss Hog" Smith will be making an apperance on here tommrow during the race. 25. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:28 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) I think it would be awesome if Gordon became the first active guy to win on all the tracks. His win at Homestead last year would have sealed it in past years, so Kentucky's addition to the schedule in 2011 definitely robbed him. A Gordon win this weekend would be pretty cool in that respect. 26. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah...it's not like we've got Bobby Labonte to root for. 27. cjs3872 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:35 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) And here's something to add to that, murb. Jeff Gordon's next win will be #88, and the #88 car is on the pole for this race. And I actually think that if Jeff Gordon can complete the cycle of winning on every track he's competed on, he may be congratulated by almost everyone in some form or another, because that would truly be a historical moment. that's something that Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart could never possibly claim, because as I mentioned, they both competed at Rockingham in the Cup Series, but never won there. Gordon won there four times, and even won the final race at North Wilkesboro in 1996, which gave the opportunity to complete a mind-boggling sweep of winning at every track he's competed on in the Cup Series. There's a lot of discussion about historical moments in NASCAR, and whether they would qualify as historical moments, but a Jeff Gordon win in tonight's would truly be a historical moment because of what it would represent, because it would give him at least one victory at each of the 25 tracks on which he's competed. To give people an deal on just how historical that would be, there are only five other drivers in tonight's race that have as many as 24 wins (Johnson, Stewart, Kenseth, and both Busch brothers), and Jeff Gordon's won on that many tracks, 22 active tracks and two other inactive tracks, and a win in tonight's race would give Gordon wins on more tracks than Kurt Busch has career victories. To me, that's almost like the statement Hubert Green once made about Jack Nicklaus when Green was asked in 1980 whether or not he could catch Nicklaus in the 1980 U.S. Open, when he said "Nicklaus has more majors than most of us have wins", which at the time, included Green. And that came from one of the best players in the world at the time, and was technically true. Nicklaus had 17 majors, including his U.S. Amateurs, and Green had 16 PGA Tour wins. The same is true regarding tracks that Gordon's won at against career wins for most of his competitors, including some of the very best out there today. Gordon's won at 24 tracks, which is more than the career victory totals for Denny Hamlin (22), Kevin Harvick (21), Carl Edwards (20), Dale Earnhardt, Jr., (19), and Greg Biffle (19). Each and every one of those drivers are among the best in the sport today, and none of them have as many victories as Gordon has tracks he's won at. It gives an indication of just how much Gordon's accomplishments towers over everyone else's among his contemporaries, with the exception of Jimmie Johnson. His achievements even tower over Tony Stewart's, and Stewart is a 3-time champion with nearly 50 wins himself. 28. cjs3872 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) And on a completely different subject, the nominees for the "Squier-Hall" award for the NASCAR Hall of fame have ben announced, though there can only be one deserving winner for this year, in my opinion. The nominees are Russ Catlin, Chris Economaki, Shav Glick, Tom Higgins, Bob Jenkins, Bob Moore, Benny Phillips, and T. Taylor Warren. Not to slight any of the others, but to me, Economaki is the only one that should get the award this year. By the way, there's another that should be on that list, but isn't, and that man is Bud Lindemann, because he and Economaki did more for racing in the media than anyone else in the 60s and 70s. Without the efforts of Economaki and Lindemann, I don't think auto racing in this country ever gains the status it's enjoyed over the last 20+ years when it did. 29. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Plus, cjs, how many of the drivers that you named in that post are good at only a handful of tracks? Gordon has won at just about everywhere, yet some guys like Denny Hamlin and Kyle Busch only win at 2 to 3 tracks regularly. Jeff is a threat no matter where you go. Even Jimmie can't claim that as he downright sucks at Watkins Glen and Talladega (even with two wins there), and he's not much better at Bristol except for a fluke win in 2010. Even Stewart is downright terrible at some tracks, namely Bristol. Give Jeff the car and you're screwed anywhere. 30. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I just saw who the nominees for this year's Squier-Hall Award for NASCAR Media Excellence are. From Jayski: Russ Catlin, one of the best-known early racing writers and historians, served as editor of Speed Age Magazine Chris Economaki, known as the "Dean of Motorsports," spent more than 50 years as editor of National Speed Sport News Shav Glick, covered motorsports for the Los Angeles Times for 37 years, bringing NASCAR coverage to the West Coast Tom Higgins, the first NASCAR beat reporter to cover every race in a season, he covered motorsports for The Charlotte Observer for 34 years Bob Jenkins, served as the lead NASCAR lap-by-lap anchor at ESPN from 1982-2000. Bob Moore, spent more than 20 years as a NASCAR beat writer including stints with the Daytona Beach News-Journal and The Charlotte Observer Benny Phillips, spent 48 years covering NASCAR for the High Point (N.C.) Enterprise, 27 years for Stock Car Racing and 12 years on TBS T. Taylor Warren, best known for his three-wide photo of the 1959 Daytona 500 finish, he covered every Daytona 500 until his death in 2008. Of the nominees, I think two are very worthy of winning it this year: Chris Economaki or Bob Jenkins. I say Chris Economaki because of his years of experience in NASCAR and his dedication as a journalist covering the sport for decades. I mean, he is a true motorsports icon. Also, it would be fitting to see him honored like this after his unfortunate death last September. But I also say Bob Jenkins because of how much he loved covering NASCAR for ESPN ever since their first race back in March of 1981. It was so sad never seeing him broadcast another NASCAR race after ESPN left NASCAR in 2000. Also, he's been through a lot this past year, with retiring full-time from television and the passing of his wife Pam. It's just a shame he's not as interested in NASCAR as he once was. On his website last month, he mentioned how he has become less interested due to what has become of NASCAR in the last ten years, such as gwc's, the chase, etc. 31. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) "It's just a shame he's not as interested in NASCAR as he once was. On his website last month, he mentioned how he has become less interested due to what has become of NASCAR in the last ten years, such as gwc's, the chase, etc." Hmmm...sounds like he's got a lot of sense. 32. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) "On his website last month, he mentioned how he has become less interested due to what has become of NASCAR in the last ten years, such as gwc's, the chase, etc." I don't blame him one bit. 33. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "On his website last month, he mentioned how he has become less interested due to what has become of NASCAR in the last ten years, such as gwc's, the chase, etc." Knowing how Brian France basically told the voters the first year "Vote for my dad and grandad or else lose your right to vote" I'm sure that Bob Jenkins won't make it for quite some time. 34. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That just shows you how dumb Brian France is. You NAME the HOF after Bill France Sr and Jr, you don't induct them like a couple of commoners. When you first open the doors, that is their "induction" ceremony cause they built the sport, so you name the Hall for them. 35. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) That just shows you how dumb Brian France is. You NAME the HOF after Bill France Sr and Jr, you don't induct them like a couple of commoners. When you first open the doors, that is their "induction" ceremony cause they built the sport, so you name the Hall for them. 36. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 06.29.2013 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) JOHNSON DOESN'T SUCK AT THE GLEN HE IS IN THE TOP5 IN DRIVER RATING THERE AND IS CURRENTLY COMFORTABLY BETTER THERE THAN Gordon but he is pretty average at richmond and Bristol.Also his plate record is not near as bad as everyone makes it out to be 37. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Top-5 in driver rating doesn't mean shit. All that says is his pit crew gets him to front so that he can get passed by the guys with crummier pit crews, like Brad and Kyle. I see nothing in his stats there that I can't say for Carl Edwards or Ryan Newman. 38. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) OK, folks, you know it's going to happen. Jeff Gordon's luck is so bad we know he's going to face a fate Dale Earnhardt faced... he's going to lose a race because of a dumb seagull flying into his radiator. Which race will it be? 39. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You know I think Earnhardt's jinx in the Daytona 500 was Ken Squier. Squier called the race from 1979 to 1997, and Earnhardt came up short in every single one of those races. Once Mike Joy took over in 1998, voila, Earnhardt wins. 40. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The answer to whether or not Tony Stewart will ever win the Daytona 500 should be simple then, David. Kick Mike Joy out of the broadcast booth for a week, and then watch Tony cruise to victory. 41. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Plus, cjs, how many of the drivers that you named in that post are good at only a handful of tracks? Gordon has won at just about everywhere, yet some guys like Denny Hamlin and Kyle Busch only win at 2 to 3 tracks regularly. Jeff is a threat no matter where you go. Even Jimmie can't claim that as he downright sucks at Watkins Glen and Talladega (even with two wins there), and he's not much better at Bristol except for a fluke win in 2010. Even Stewart is downright terrible at some tracks, namely Bristol. Give Jeff the car and you're screwed anywhere." Let's ignore ancient history for a moment and focus on modern times. Stats since the start of 2008: Jeff Gordon at Daytona: 11 races, 0 wins, 2 top 10s, 22.3 average finish NOT a threat Jeff Gordon at Texas: 11 races, 1 win, 4 top 10s, 19.3 average finish The win was the only time he's been a threat there since 2008. Safe to say it was a fluke. Jeff Gordon at Las Vegas: 6 races, 0 wins, 2 top 10s, 19.5 average finish NOT a threat Jeff Gordon at Michigan: 11 races, 0 wins, 5 top 10s, 17.4 average finish NOT a threat Jeff Gordon at Phoenix: 11 races, 1 win, 5 top 10s, 16.5 average finish The win was the only time he's been a threat there since 2008. Again, safe to say it was a fluke. Jeff Gordon at Talladega: 11 races, 0 wins, 3 top 10s, 20.0 average finish NOT a threat Jeff Gordon at Watkins Glen: 5 races, 0 wins, 0 top 5s (!), 1 top 10, 22.0 average finish NOT a threat That's actually SEVEN tracks (accounting for 12 races per season, 1/3 of the schedule) where Jeff has not been a threat at over the past 5 years other than a couple of fluke wins. Jimmie Johnson at the tracks you mentioned: Talladega: 11 races, 1 win, 5 top 10s, 16.4 average finish Significantly better than Gordon Watkins Glen: 5 races, 0 wins, 1 top 5, 3 top 10s, 12.0 average finish Significantly better than Gordon Bristol (past 10 races): 10 races, 1 win, 5 top 5s, 7 top 10s, 12.0 average finish That's actually the FOURTH best average finish over the past 10 races there, SECOND most top 5s, and t-SECOND most top 10s. Again, significantly better than Gordon, who is 10th (14.6), t-4th (4), and t-10th (4), without a win. As for Tony Stewart, yeah, he sucks at Bristol. 0 wins, 1 top 5, 2 top 10s, and a 20.6 average finish in the past 10. Based on the past 5 years, the only tracks I'd even consider taking Gordon over Johnson at are Atlanta, Charlotte (Jimmie has't done much there lately), Darlington, Homestead, New Hampshire, Richmond, and Sonoma. The only ones I would ABSOLUTELY take Gordon at are Atlanta, Richmond, and Sonoma. 42. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Atlanta, Darlington, New Hampshire, Sonoma... the tracks that take the biggest balls to drive on... given Jeff's shitty equipment, that says a lot for Jeff. You basically just said that in identical cars Jeff would beat the shit out of Jimmie most everywhere. Thanks! 43. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Johnson's far better at Martinsville, Bristol, Phoenix, and Dover, all widely acknowledged as drivers' tracks. And if you consider being tough at Atlanta noteworthy, I'll up your ante with Texas, which is far tougher on a driver. Gordon's only slightly better at Darlington, and they're pretty much the same at New Hampshire. All in all, Gordon's only significantly better than Johnson at 3 tracks, and of those only Richmond and Sonoma are considered drivers' tracks. Johnson's significantly better at Martinsville, Bristol, Phoenix, Dover, and Watkins Glen. So I really don't get why you would think anything I said above proves Gordon "would" beat Johnson in anything. And again, you are operating under the false premise that Hendrick's giving Gordon worse cars than Johnson, which a lot of people around here actually seem to believe for some reason. Gordon in his prime was better than Johnson in his prime. But Johnson right now is quite a bit better than Gordon now. 44. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "So I really don't get why you would think anything I said above proves Gordon "would" beat Johnson in anything. And again, you are operating under the false premise that Hendrick's giving Gordon worse cars than Johnson, which a lot of people around here actually seem to believe for some reason." Because multiple people from the #24 team (including Jeff himself!) have insinuated or straight out said it over the years. 45. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Alright folks, let's get together and make some money. We need to apply for a patent and innvent the "Danica Excuse Generator 5000" which will make things much easier on every NASCAR media and TV person not named Kyle Petty. Just press a button and a bullshit excuse will fly out. "She's learning", "It's a tough transition from open wheel to stock cars", "She's appeared in Sports Illustrated's swimsuit edition a bunch of times with her body of a 10 year old", etc. I think this is a winner for making money! 46. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Because multiple people from the #24 team (including Jeff himself!) have insinuated or straight out said it over the years." They didn't like getting beat by their shopmates. That's why Hendrick had to swap Gordon and Earnhardt, Gordon's ego couldn't handle the fact that he wasn't even the best in his own shop! You didn't really expect them to come out and say "Johnson's just that much better than us and we are getting beat by them fair and square," did you? There's not even a logical basis for Hendrick to give Johnson better cars. Just think it through. Johnson is insanely unpopular, he's barely marketable, and he causes televisions to turn off in droves. Hendrick is a businessman, he's in this to make money first and foremost. If he was giving anyone preferential treatment, it would be Gordon and/or Earnhardt, because they are two of the three most popular drivers in the sport and they not only attract higher paying sponsors, but also increase viewership when they succeed, which increases the value of sponsorship. The fact is, Hendrick's done all he can to help them succeed... swapping stablemates, swapping crew chiefs, swapping crew members. At some point they just have to go on the track and get it done. 47. Baker posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Even Stewart is downright terrible at some tracks, namely Bristol. Give Jeff the car and you're screwed anywhere." Whoa Whoa Whoa there. Tony Stewart has been terrible at Bristol the last 5 years or so, but back in his earlier days I cannot count how many times he dominated the race only to have some jackass like Kevin Harvick divebomb from the lead, and oil pump cable break, or other mechanical failures. Three years in a row Tony Stewart led over half the spring race only to have something out of his control ruin his day. I'm not giving Tony a break. He is not the greatest at Bristol, but he has had a lot better runs at his supposed worst track than Jeff Gordon ever had at Texas and Homestead before he picks up those wins. 48. Baker posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NLA, You also have to look at it the other way. Rick Hendrick knows no matter what Dale Earnhardt Jr. is going to be the most popular driver and biggest money maker in the garage. He also knows Jeff Gordon and Kasey Kahne are going to sell a boat load as well. If Jimmie wasn't the force he was he wouldn't sell anything. 49. 18fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain could be an issue tonight. 50. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) *resisting urge to get sucked back into the Jeff vs Jimmie debate* Can't we all get along and focus on the Danica Excuse Generator 5000? We can make money! 51. 18fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Jeff vs. Jimmie debate comes up seemingly every other week and the arguments for both are pretty much the same every time as well. 52. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "NLA, You also have to look at it the other way. Rick Hendrick knows no matter what Dale Earnhardt Jr. is going to be the most popular driver and biggest money maker in the garage. He also knows Jeff Gordon and Kasey Kahne are going to sell a boat load as well. If Jimmie wasn't the force he was he wouldn't sell anything." That's an interesting viewpoint, but if that's the case, why would he keep Johnson there when he could easily hire a driver who can make more money? He had an opportunity to hire Stewart if he wanted, he had Kyle Busch and let him walk (though Kyle really did that to himself), Danica Patrick recently drove for JR Motorsports and she didn't get a Hendrick ride, Kevin Harvick's recently been through free agency, and he let Brad Keselowski go to Penske instead of giving him a Cup ride. 53. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Because right now Chad and Jimmie have him by the balls because he knows if he doesn't let them run the show, they will make sure his cars never see the winner's circle again. 54. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, the Danica Excuse Maker Generator 5000 is right in your midst... Danica Patrick. 55. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jeff Gordon at Daytona: 11 races, 0 wins, 2 top 10s, 22.3 average finish NOT a threat" Seriously? You're using average finish at plate tracks? Those have the worst correlation with past results. Jeff was a threat to win the July 2008 race (running second, I believe) before he was spun by Carl Edwards on a restart with two laps left, and they didn't throw the caution. He also finished third in the July 2010 race. "Jeff Gordon at Texas: 11 races, 1 win, 4 top 10s, 19.3 average finish The win was the only time he's been a threat there since 2008. Safe to say it was a fluke." Try the spring race one year later. Oh yeah, leading 124 laps isn't a threat at all. "Jeff Gordon at Las Vegas: 6 races, 0 wins, 2 top 10s, 19.5 average finish NOT a threat" 219 laps led in 2010 (before Letarte pulled a Gustafson and just put on two tires)? "Jeff Gordon at Michigan: 11 races, 0 wins, 5 top 10s, 17.4 average finish NOT a threat" He swept second place in both races in 2009. "Jeff Gordon at Phoenix: 11 races, 1 win, 5 top 10s, 16.5 average finish The win was the only time he's been a threat there since 2008. Again, safe to say it was a fluke." He nearly won the April 2010 race there before he was outgunned by Ryan Newman on the final restart. "Jeff Gordon at Talladega: 11 races, 0 wins, 3 top 10s, 20.0 average finish NOT a threat" Was leading on the last lap before Johnson nearly went below the yellow line to pass him in the tri-oval with a big push from Dale Earnhardt, Jr. "Jeff Gordon at Watkins Glen: 5 races, 0 wins, 0 top 5s (!), 1 top 10, 22.0 average finish NOT a threat" This one, I'll grant you. The Glen has been bad to him since his 2001 win. 56. 18fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon also might have had the car to beat at Texas before he broke. 57. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, Jeff was LEADING when Edwards dumped him. 58. 18fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No NRF. Kyle had just passed Jeff for the lead when the caution came out and Jeff restarted second and then Carl spun Jeff. 59. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just checked myself right before seeing your response. 60. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Alright, here is my two cents: To answer "Jeff vs Jimmie" you have to ask yourself one question: Who would win in a one on one race, Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson? The answer is Dale Earnhardt. 61. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Talladega race I mentioned was from the spring of 2011. 62. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF, if that doesn't shut everyone up, including myself, nothing will. If Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty were in a one on one race, who would win? David Pearson 63. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good one NRF. Honestly, if you have to have one driver run a race your life depends on, and you have to draw which driver is behind the wheel for that race out of a hat, and the only names in the hat are Dale Earnhardt, Richard Petty, and David Pearson, you won't be disappointed. 64. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If Bobby Allison and Richard Petty were in a one-on-one race, who would win? Answer: Us, because that's racing! Beating and banging WITHOUT wrecking. 65. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nobody knew how to leave the fans disappointed better than Pearson. Hey, look, Pearson's in 5th with two to go at Michigan and he's 3 seconds back. Two laps later: DARN IT ALL! 66. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seriously? You're using average finish at plate tracks? Those have the worst correlation with past results." NRF said Johnson sucks at Talladega, even though he almost always leads laps and is always up front at the end unless he gets crashed or blows up. That's pretty much the same as saying he doesn't have a good average finish. "Jeff was a threat to win the July 2008 race (running second, I believe) before he was spun by Carl Edwards on a restart with two laps left, and they didn't throw the caution. He also finished third in the July 2010 race." Well that's not saying much, everyone is a threat to win every restrictor plate race, so I guess I was incorrect to say Gordon isn't a threat there. I honestly don't even think restrictor plate races should be in the discussion when it comes to comparing drivers. Danica Patrick had the second highest driver rating at the Daytona 500 and was a threat to win. She probably would have won had she switched lanes on the backstretch. "Try the spring race one year later. Oh yeah, leading 124 laps isn't a threat at all." OK, so he's been competitive at two Texas races since 2008. That's still not a very good percentage "219 laps led in 2010 (before Letarte pulled a Gustafson and just put on two tires)?" OK. That's one of just two times in the past decade he's been competitive there. Again, not a very good percentage "He swept second place in both races in 2009." He led 1 lap total in those two races and had nothing for Martin or Vickers, the winner of those races. "He nearly won the April 2010 race there before he was outgunned by Ryan Newman on the final restart." Other than his one win and his 2nd place, his best Phoenix finish since 2008 is 8th. "Was leading on the last lap before Johnson nearly went below the yellow line to pass him in the tri-oval with a big push from Dale Earnhardt, Jr." That was a great finish. One of his two top 5s at Dega since 2008, otherwise his best finish is 8th. Again, restrictor plate races are total crapshoots and we really shouldn't even be considering them though. "This one, I'll grant you. The Glen has been bad to him since his 2001 win." The Glen is the track where I think his finishes are least telling of his abilities. It's baffling how he's struggled there so much over the past decade. 67. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Alright, here is my two cents: To answer "Jeff vs Jimmie" you have to ask yourself one question: Who would win in a one on one race, Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson? The answer is Dale Earnhardt." I doubt very many people would say Johnson is better than Earnhardt other than the media sensationalists. I wouldn't even say Johnson is better than Gordon overall, all I am saying is he is considerably better than Gordon right now. Johnson is in the late years of his prime, while Gordon's prime ended several years ago. 68. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Regardless, DSFF's response was awesome. 69. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I don't think you can have a badder day than that" -Dale Earnhardt, May 1990 while recalling the Daytona 500 from earlier in the year. Yep, as I talked about on the NWide page, that is the guy who revolutionized the way business is done in NASCAR, who started the way that is still being done to this day. It's funny I came across that this week, the same week everyone within NASCAR is so up in arms over Kyle's comments as they relate to The Baroness. Everyone is trying so hard to make NASCAR as PC as possible, as witnessed by "model" NASCAR dominator Jimmie Johnson, yet all he and NASCAR are doing is putting people to sleep. They need to take a look at NASCAR and stock car racing's past. It was built by moonshiners. It's King gladly uses broken grammar in Southern English, embraces his rugged roots to the delight of everyone. The most influential person in NASCAR's world of marketing couldn't even finish the 9th grade, and used the word "badder" in an interview for ABC Sports. Stock car racing is MEANT to be rough around the edges. It isn't a sport for the faint of heart, for the easily offended, or the uppity schmucks. So why do they keep trying to go in that direction? 70. 83andJoe posted: 06.29.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meanwhile, there's a 60% chance of rain at Kentucky tonight, and the Air Titan is NOT present as the speedway officials said they didn't want it(?!). 71. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.29.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did Rutledge Wood seriously just say fans want a second race at Kentucky? 72. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The Air Titan has been used about as often as David Ragan's hauler driver recently. #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 73. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) You know who would lose in a race between Danica Patrick and Jennifer Jo Cobb? The fans. You know who would win in a brawl between Danica Patrick and Milka Duno? The fans. 74. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yep, as I talked about on the NWide page, that is the guy who revolutionized the way business is done in NASCAR, who started the way that is still being done to this day." Obviously he didn't, because you even admit as much with the next couple of sentences you typed. He didn't revolutionize anything related to the business side of NASCAR, because within a decade of the end of his prime, every sponsor was wanting teams to go after clean-cut young guns and force the old guard out. (David Stremme over Sterling Marlin, Kasey Kahne over Bill Elliott, Casey Mears over Jimmy Spencer, Carl Edwards over Jeff Burton, Clint Bowyer over Dave Blaney, Ricky Craven over Ken Schrader, David Ragan over Mark Martin, J.J. Yeley over Bobby Labonte... this could literally go on for pages and pages if I wanted it to.) "It's funny I came across that this week, the same week everyone within NASCAR is so up in arms over Kyle's comments as they relate to The Baroness." The only problem I have with Kyle Petty's comments is how factually inaccurate he was. He said Danica qualifies fast but can't drive a race car, yet her average finish is 6.2 places better than her average start. Truth is, she can't qualify, but she is able to improve, to a VERY limited extent, as a race goes on. Also, he sounded incredibly petty (pun intended x2). "They need to take a look at NASCAR and stock car racing's past. It was built by moonshiners. It's King gladly uses broken grammar in Southern English, embraces his rugged roots to the delight of everyone. The most influential person in NASCAR's world of marketing couldn't even finish the 9th grade, and used the word "badder" in an interview for ABC Sports. Stock car racing is MEANT to be rough around the edges. It isn't a sport for the faint of heart, for the easily offended, or the uppity schmucks. So why do they keep trying to go in that direction?" So should NASCAR teams give literacy tests and hire the driver that performs the worst? Usually teams hire either the driver best able to drive a race car, or the one most marketable. High-level racing is more about the business than the sport now. And that's how it has to be given the level of technological innovation present now. No sport at its highest level will ever purely be about the sport. If you want to watch any sport in its purest form, you have to watch it at a lower level. Jimmie Johnson's a clean-cut, articulate Southern Californian and Dale Earnhardt was a North Carolinian who dropped out of high school. Junior Johnson was a North Carolinian law-breaking police evader and Ryan Newman is a Midwesterner who has one of the more prestigious engineering degrees available in the country. Ultimately, why would a real race fan even care about ANY of this as long as they can drive a car? I surely don't watch the races for the post-race interviews, so I don't care if a driver sounds "rough around the edges" or whatever. As long as he (or she) can drive a race car, I'll watch them race for that reason and for that reason only. 75. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^#nonsatiricaljokesonRR 76. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I meant to add this to my previous comment but I forgot... the driver who has had the most influence on the business side of NASCAR is easily Jeff Gordon. His early success is what led teams to look all around for the next up-and-coming young star, from local short tracks to open-wheel racing, and what led to a lot of the older guys getting replaced while they could still drive. Not even Earnhardt became so dominant so fast, so Gordon's success made a lot of teams question how they managed personnel decisions. 77. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "They need to take a look at NASCAR and stock car racing's past. It was built by moonshiners. It's King gladly uses broken grammar in Southern English, embraces his rugged roots to the delight of everyone. The most influential person in NASCAR's world of marketing couldn't even finish the 9th grade, and used the word "badder" in an interview for ABC Sports. Stock car racing is MEANT to be rough around the edges. It isn't a sport for the faint of heart, for the easily offended, or the uppity schmucks. So why do they keep trying to go in that direction?" Well, the best that the moonshiners could give them over these past few years was Steve Wallace, and the result was: he had more wrecked cars than Danica has excuses. *rimshot* #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 78. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The only problem I have with Kyle Petty's comments is how factually inaccurate he was." Hey, that sounds like me! I had the same problem with one of Mike Joy's comments back in May, but I got called out for it. 79. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Danica's average finish is 6.2 places ahead of her average start. In other words, there are on average 6.2 start-and-parks per race. *rimshot* #nonsatircaljokesonRR 80. Eric posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NoLongerAnonymous, Dale Earnhardt sr was more influence on the business side of NASCAR than Jeff Gordon. Dale and his wife played a big role in marketing drivers by Dale being one the first trademarking his name. The truth is Dale Sr. took Jeff Gordon under wing from a business standpoint Dale and Jeff did many business ventures behind the scenes and Dale's death affected Jeff. I am saying that because Dale Earnhardt Sr. off the track actually was a business man. He trademarked his own name thanks to his own wife. Dale outside the track did business deals including being the co-founder of Chase Authentics. 81. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Number of start-and-parkers to qualify ahead of Danica per race: 0 2 (3 including would-be S&P who crashed) 0 (rainout) 2 (3 including would-be S&P who crashed) 4 2 2 0 0 0 3 0 2 0 (rainout) 1 0 Including the two would-be start-and-parkers who crashed, that averages to 1.25 positions she gains by default during the race. While this proves she is indeed a terrible qualifier (and thus proves Kyle "Prince Without a Crown" Petty wrong), it's far from accounting for most of the 6.2 that she gains in total. And you could say she gains those because other drivers crash or blow up, but at the same time Danica has lost positions due to being in crashes too. Actually, I'm shocked to learn she is on a 3-race streak of lead lap finishes. She previously didn't even have a 2-race streak! 82. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) We can expect the quality of the racing tonight to be worse than Aaron Hernandez's alibi. *rimshot* *trombone glissando* #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 83. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you didn't notice, I was joking. There aren't enough start and parks, but it sounded good! 84. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At Post 82. They may not even get the race in tonight in face the weather in that area doesn't look promising for the next couple of days. This race might be the first race since the 1997 Winston 500 to be postponed for several weeks. 85. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, if that's the case, then it would probably be postponed to the off week between Loudon and Indianapolis. 86. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "We can expect the quality of the racing tonight to be worse than Aaron Hernandez's alibi." So, in other words, there will be none. 87. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If it were me I would just outright cancel this race. 88. AveryNH posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you want racing, albeit abbreviated there's x games rally cross on Abc. 89. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dale Earnhardt sr was more influence on the business side of NASCAR than Jeff Gordon. Dale and his wife played a big role in marketing drivers by Dale being one the first trademarking his name." That's true that Earnhardt started a lot with respect to business and marketing, but they didn't become widespread until Gordon came along. So I'll admit Earnhardt has influence there. "The truth is Dale Sr. took Jeff Gordon under wing from a business standpoint Dale and Jeff did many business ventures behind the scenes and Dale's death affected Jeff." I admittedly don't know too much about the relationship they had although I have heard things like you are saying before. I'm sure Earnhardt had a lot of influence on how Gordon went about doing things and I'll give him credit for that. "I am saying that because Dale Earnhardt Sr. off the track actually was a business man. He trademarked his own name thanks to his own wife. Dale outside the track did business deals including being the co-founder of Chase Authentics." I know he was a businessman and he was a good one. But that was more his prerogative than commonplace for drivers. I can think of a few drivers before and during Earnhardt's time who had noteworthy off-track businesses and charities, but drivers since the mid-90s have been especially adept at utilizing their celebrity for business and PR purposes. Honestly when I read DaleSrFanForever's post I thought: "Yep, as I talked about on the NWide page, that is the guy who revolutionized the way business is done in NASCAR, who started the way that is still being done to this day." was referring more to how teams and drivers handled things within the sport than how they expand outside of the sport, so I'm probably misunderstanding something anyway. I'll admit Earnhardt had a huge influence on elements of the business side of NASCAR off the track, but I think the prominence of Jeff Gordon had a larger effect on the business side as it relates to the sport itself. 90. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you didn't notice, I was joking. There aren't enough start and parks, but it sounded good!" I knew you were joking, I just wanted to address that before someone seriously used that as a reason for her average finish being higher than her average start. 91. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, did you ever submit your fantasy picks at all? 92. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not last night. I, uh, misestimated the start time. 93. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What I mean is on the merchandising side and behind the scenes business dealings, which Dale and Teresa set the tone for that. How to truly get money off your success. Dale completely revolutionized merchandising, trademarking his name, and the die cast industry. The money he made off that '95 silver car set up what we see to this day. That is what I was talking about. As for Gordon, the funny thing is he is the one who first truly took Dale's lead as it relates to business in NASCAR, listened carefully to his advice, allowed himself to be mentored, and would eventually partner with Dale in some endeavers. As a kid from California who moved down South after a few years in the Mid West, he could have easily looked at Dale, listened to his bad grammar, and ignored his off track advice. But he kept an open mind, listened carefully, and followed down Dale's path as those two took the lead marketing, merchandise, and business investments. 94. Chives5150 posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DW, you are an evil, evil man. 95. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) I saw Darrell on SPEED pick Danica for Kyle. You could see the disgust on Darrell's face for what Kyle said. What I'm trying to say is Kyle Petty for President! 96. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You bring up a good point... people don't realize just how much Jeff modeled himself of Dale and, to an extent, Richard Petty. He imitated Dale's smarts and Richard's likability. 97. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Resident meteorologists opinion: There's not much rain on the radar... things look good for them to get at least 100 laps in, probably enough to be official. 98. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Kyle not backing down. Kudos to TNT and Kyle for hitting this right off the bat. Glad they didn't neuter him. 99. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Resident meteorologists opinion: There's not much rain on the radar... things look good for them to get at least 100 laps in, probably enough to be official." I'm not so sure. They've got another storm coming in from the west that could hit within the next hour and a half. After that, there are storms all over the place that are heading directly where the track is, so I would be surprised if we were able to even make it to half-way. 100. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I watched the CBS evening news just now, and their final story was about a blind girl with cerebral palsy who could sing and play piano by ear. I said to Dad, "She should sing the national anthem at a NASCAR race soon, she would be better than most". As it turns out, she's singing the anthem for tonight's race (if it is indeed held tonight). #strokeofpsychicness 101. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's a great story. I'm not watching the race right now, but hopefully she's doing a great job up there. #beautiful 102. Jarrett88fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nascar returns to my old Kentucky home and the storms we have been dealing with around the Greater Cincinnati area since Wednesday are here to stay. This race may start at night and finish tomorrow in the early afternoon. 103. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nobody ever believes the frickin' meteorologist. #sorcery 104. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Storms are popping... but they should still start the race on time... after that about a 60-90 minute rain delay and back to racing. 105. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nobody ever believes the frickin' meteorologist." That's because roughly 2% of you meteorologists ever predict the weather correctly on a consistent basis. They've predicted rain in my area for almost the entire week, but it wasn't until yesterday that the rain actually showed up. Of course, it had to show up right in the middle of my parade. #imverywetnow #weshouldprobablystopusinghashtags 106. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 20% chance means just that... two out of ten days with that weather pattern will result in rain. #ialsothinkweshouldstopusinghashtagsbeforeweendupliketwitterbackwardandridiculous 107. Chives5150 posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's one sexy Kyle Petty tie. 108. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Funny story, my neighbor is childhood buddies with David Hoots, and he is the one who got us garage passes for Darlington. We got a chance to talk to him. The forecast for that race, as I heard it, was the chance of pop up showers in the afternoon, with very little chance by night. Of course there wasn't a rain cloud to be seen all day. I told that to Hoots, to which he replied "put it this way, if you could do your job as good as a weatherman, you'd be fired". 109. Woodbridge posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My prediction: Matt Kenseth wins 110. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you want rain have NASCAR come to your area 111. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's the sad part... people don't realize just how much science goes into not only forecasting the weather, but reading the forecast. The guys that make the forecast have years of calculus, fluid mechanics, a year (or more) of dynamics and other stuff, but there's so many unknowns. 112. 83andJoe posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So...rain delay I assume? 113. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just so you guys know, I thought Kentucky was SW of Louisville, not NE, so while I was right on my forecast, I was forecasting for the wrong place :'( 114. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is screwed for a goodly period. 115. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I kind of thought that was the case, NRF. The southern part of Kentucky is mostly clear of rain, while the northern part is just getting hammered right now. 116. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two things: 1) Has the National Anthem been sung yet, and 2) if so, how'd she do? #weshouldonlyusehashtagsfor"nonsatiricaljokesonRR" 117. Sky Warrior posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1) Has the National Anthem been sung yet Someone please answer this, I just got home and really wanna see that if she hasn't yet 118. 83andJoe posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I doubt anything at all has been done, since there's a severe thunderstorm pretty much parked on top of the speedway right now, judging by the radar. 119. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only good thing about this rain delay is that it gives me an excuse to watch M*A*S*H. It starts at 7 P.M. in our area. 120. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, that sounds pretty good. 121. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is. 122. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Wonderboy is looking like a man now. Makes me feel kinda old. I seriously wondered if he'd EVER look older than 17. He's also quit saying "awesome" every 5th word in every interview like he used to which always irritated the piss outta me. It's hard to think the forecast could be any badder than it is now. And NLA, bad grammar in and of itself isn't charming, it is the story behind it. Seriously, how much stuff has happened in the Brian France era could be called "memorable"? We have Epic Johnson-Gordon Duels I and II, the Loveable Last Lap Watkins Glen Fiasco Of Twenty Twelve, and Homestead 2011. But overall the human factor has been taken out of it. 123. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is from the Danica Excuse Generator 5000: The rain threw her off, changing the track, messing up her race at Kentucky. 124. Anonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just quickly about broken English and poor grammar, it always pains me whenever someone says the past-tense of 'drag' as 'drug'.... 125. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, it seems like every time I'm scheduled to miss a race it rains at the track. It happened at the Iowa NNS race, and I just got home to find it raining at Kentucky (not surprising after last night). Hopefully they can get this thing in tonight. 126. Jarrett88fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) The short piece TNT did during pre-race tying the historic 150th anniversary of Gettysburg this coming Monday through Wednesday and the patriotism found in Nascar together, just about made me cry. Despite our current course of national events and living in the Brian France France Era of Nascar, God bless the USA. 127. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trivia time: who was the first non-white NASCAR driver to win a Cup race? 128. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Why the hell hasn't Goodyear created a superspeedway Rain Tire. 129. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because no matter how good of a rain tire you make, the cars would spin out in the turns on the superspeedways. 130. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No takers on the trivia? 131. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No takers on the trivia?" The only person that comes to my mind is Wendell Scott, but I'm sure that's wrong. 132. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seriously, how much stuff has happened in the Brian France era could be called "memorable"?" Kurt Busch winning the first Chase by 8 points Jimmie Johnson winning 5 straight championships (Chase or not, I don't care, everyone knows the system before the season starts) Stewart-Edwards 2011 as you mentioned Gordon at Richmond 2012 Gordon-Bowyer at Phoenix 2012 Brian Vickers wrecking his teammates at Talladega to win his first race Bristol Night 2012 (most usages of the words "tempers flare" in one night in world history) Regan Smith's Darlington upset Brad Keselowski's Talladega upset with Edwards in the catchfence and running across the line Front Row Motorsports 1-2 at Talladega Jeremy Mayfield winning at Richmond to make the Chase in 2004 Kurt Busch-Ricky Craven at Darlington 2003 (I THINK Brian was in charge then, could be wrong) Jimmie Johnson winning 4 straight races in 2007 to surge past Gordon to the Championship Ryan Newman's superspeedway flips Kurt Busch's tirade(s) and burned bridges David Reutimann's rain win and his justification of it at Chicago the next year Johnson+Earnhardt coming out of nowhere to win the Talladega Tandem 499 in 2011 Trevor Bayne winning the Daytona 500 in 2011 Brad Keselowski getting his first win with Penske after breaking his foot California 2013 133. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think that's a double-trick question, NRF. That is, it appears to be a trick question, but isn't. Therefore, I shall guess Wendell Scott. That's wrong, isn't it? 134. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Kyle Petty Rules 135. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch winning the first Chase by 8 points Jimmie Johnson winning 5 straight championships (Chase or not, I don't care, everyone knows the system before the season starts) For now, yes; maybe not in the future Stewart-Edwards 2011 as you mentioned Yes Gordon at Richmond 2012 Nobody remembers 2nd Gordon-Bowyer at Phoenix 2012 Not really... it will be forgotten once Gordon's retired Brian Vickers wrecking his teammates at Talladega to win his first race Is Bristol 84 memorable? No Bristol Night 2012 (most usages of the words "tempers flare" in one night in world history) Only to the sensationalist media Regan Smith's Darlington upset Was Lake Speed's? No Brad Keselowski's Talladega upset with Edwards in the catchfence and running across the line Yes Front Row Motorsports 1-2 at Talladega For those of who root for the little guy... all 200 of us Jeremy Mayfield winning at Richmond to make the Chase in 2004 I only remember Mike Wallace in that turdmobile. Kurt Busch-Ricky Craven at Darlington 2003 (I THINK Brian was in charge then, could be wrong) HELL YEAH! Jimmie Johnson winning 4 straight races in 2007 to surge past Gordon to the Championship Not really... Martin in 93 was much more memorable. Ryan Newman's superspeedway flips No... nobody looks back at Martin's rides in 1990. Kurt Busch's tirade(s) and burned bridges His wins override that. David Reutimann's rain win and his justification of it at Chicago the next year I think Chicago was more of the upset given how he beat the shit out of everyone. Johnson+Earnhardt coming out of nowhere to win the Talladega Tandem 499 in 2011 Nobody gives a damn about Dega anymore. Trevor Bayne winning the Daytona 500 in 2011 No. Brad Keselowski getting his first win with Penske after breaking his foot Ricky Rudd racing when he should have been in a hospital waited on by a nurse because his eyes were swollen shut is barely remembered. California 2013 Only in the sensationalist media 136. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Any other takers on the trivia: who was the first non-white driver to win a NASCAR Cup race? 137. 83andJoe posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll go with Scott, as I suspect it's supposed to make you /think/ it's a trick question. Also, it's possible you might be able to use "oval rain tires" at Martinsville, maybe even Loudon, but not anywhere else. 138. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was a trick question. The answer is none other than Larry Frank. Frank was 100% Cherokee Indian. 139. Baker posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Easy, It is Red Byron. He ain't white, he's Red tehehe 140. Sky Warrior posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gonna go with Scott too, but I feel like that's wrong 141. Sky Warrior posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoops, little late on that guess. Guess I know why I felt it was wrong though. Larry Frank, huh? Never would've gotten that one 142. Schroeder51 posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The first non-white driver to win a NASCAR race... ...I want to say Frank Mundy, as I know his real name was Francisco Melendez. 143. Schroeder51 posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh damn, I was late on that one! 144. Schroeder51 posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty sure we're not racing tonight. 145. Baker posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I went to school with Larry Frank! Probably a different Larry Frank though considering I didn't graduate until 2003 and he was 100% not Cherokee. He also had a twin brother named Lance and we called them Frank(s) and beans. Sorry guys I am bored to death here. 146. Sky Warrior posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was kinda fun, I've got one now. Who was the first foreign-born driver to win in NASCAR? 147. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It was a trick question. The answer is none other than Larry Frank. Frank was 100% Cherokee Indian." Ah, I was pretty sure it wasn't Wendell Scott. 148. Schroeder51 posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They've got that Turtleman guy up in the TNT booth right now... 149. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who in the hell is on my TV screen right now? 150. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't know that about Larry Frank. "That was kinda fun, I've got one now. Who was the first foreign-born driver to win in NASCAR?" MAAAAAARRRRRIIOOOO TIME!!! 151. AveryNH posted: 06.29.2013 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is better than any race Kentucky could put on. Wally doing that call just killed me. 152. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol, Wally totally saved that segment. 153. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Who was the first foreign-born driver to win in NASCAR?" Mark Martin. He was born a British subject prior to the Revolutionary War. 154. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Mark Martin. He was born a British subject prior to the Revolutionary War." HAHAHAHA!!! Nailed it!!! 155. Sky Warrior posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "MAAAAAARRRRRIIOOOO TIME!!! " You got it "Mark Martin. He was born a British subject prior to the Revolutionary War. " Mark is not that young, I've seen pictures of him with Napoleon 156. Jarrett88fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) LIVE ACTION! Hahaha what a segment, I'm pretty sure the Smith Avenue crowd nearly had collective coronaries when Turtle Man appeared in the booth. 157. Sky Warrior posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *as babies 158. Austin posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race postponed to noon tomorrow 159. Schroeder51 posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No racing tonight... What does the weather look like for tomorrow? 160. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Postponed to noon tomorrow. 161. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm honestly kind of happy to see it postponed. 1.5 mile races are always way better in the day time. Hopefully it will be a good race. 162. Austin posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chance of rain tomorrow too 163. Sky Warrior posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Time to go watch DVR K&N races, see yall tomorrow for more rain delays 164. Baker posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I like Sunday afternoon racing much better anyway(At least NASCAR). Give me Saturday night dirt slinging Sprint Cars over any racing any time. 165. Jarrett88fan posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A combination of factors led to Nascar pulling the plug on starting this evening, the weather obviously, Kyle Petty's frankness that could be detrimental to the product, and the call of the Turtle Man which scared the bejesus out of the Madison Avenue folks. 166. JRacingFast posted: 06.29.2013 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have feeling tommrows race good be a good one....Kentucky with the bumps and like kyle busch was talking about with the weepers and seeping water it could make for some slick racing. 167. cjs3872 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @132 and 135, that win at Pocono in 2011 when Brad Keselowski should have been in the hospital with that broken ankle was not the his first Cup win with Penske. His first Cup win with Penske had occurred earlier that year when he won at Kansas on fuel mileage. I do think, however, that it was his biggest win with Penske, because that was the race that set that team off, with the end results being a championship last year. Brad Keselowski needs another moment like that soon, or his chances at defending that title in the Chase could be in serious jeopardy. 168. cjs3872 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And also, JRacingFast, who's car is going to have a suspension piece break because of the track surface, because that track broke the right front suspension on Regan smith's car in last night's race. Someone may going to have a suspension piece break, but the question is who? Kyle Busch eluded to that when he said that the teams have to build a heavier car for Kentucky, because if they don't, something in the suspension may very well break. And if I remember right, that was a significant problem at Daytona before it was repaved, because a number of cars had problem with broken suspensions due to the bumpy track surface. And remember the incident in the Truck Series race a couple of years ago when Austin Dillon's hood flew up when it looked like he might win the race? That was also caused by the track surface because of what the bumpy nature of the track did to the hoodpins on Dillon's truck, causing them to break, which resulted in Dillon's hood coming undone. Things like that cause me to wonder if the track at Kentucky is so bumpy that it is almost unsafe. I like to see tracks have personality as much as anyone, but there comes a time that the bumps that give a track personality actually make them unsafe, and I have to wonder if Kentucky hasn't crossed hat line. IndyCars can no longer run there because it's an unsafe track for that type of car, which was why Pocono was dropped from the IndyCar schedule after 1989. I think a serious argument can be made that Kentucky's bumps, which are more like moguls, have made it an unsafe racetrack. 169. Schroeder51 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of IndyCars and Pocono, anyone else excited for the IndyCar race a week from now? Will certainly be interesting to see them racing there for the first time in nearly 25 years! 170. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Rainbow Nation, you guys should be excited. Tomorrow will be run on a sun beaten hot slick worn out track, the kind that is right in Jeff's wheelhouse. 171. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *excited* Sure thing, WonderMedic. 172. murb posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Speaking of IndyCars and Pocono, anyone else excited for the IndyCar race a week from now?" Hell yeah!!! 173. Baker posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If they can put on a show like the did at Indy then I will be glued to the TV and unable to stay sitting. Yes, I am excited. 174. joey2448 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Next Saturday should be awesome! (As Jeff Gordon would say, DSFF)...IndyCar at Pocono, and NASCAR at Daytona (hopefully it won't be as much of a single-file party that we saw in February). That was one of the things that crossed my mind, DSFF! If this rain postponement plays into anyone's hands, it's the 4-time champ! Of course, we all remember what happened when the Labor Day Atlanta race was postponed from Saturday night to Sunday afternoon! 175. Paul posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know I'm really late to the party, but I just wanted to comment on a few things about the unusually short-lived Gordon/Johnson debate on this comments page. The more I think about it, the more I think it all goes back to that comment that DSFF made while quoting his father in regards to politics on the Sonoma page when he said, "Political discussions are the biggest waste of time, you're not gonna change my views and I'm not gonna change yours. All that's gonna happen is feelings will get hurt." How is this debate any different that that? It might sound odd coming from me since I was one of the biggest proponents in this debate, but that's the plain truth the way I see it. People who consider Gordon the better driver will reiterate the same talking points over and over about why Gordon is the better driver, and those who feel that way way in regards to Johnson will do the same thing in Johnson's defense. All the while, feelings will be hurt and plenty of bystanders who feel indifferent about the two drivers will only get irritated. If I had it my way, that debate wouldn't happen again. I never thought I would say this, but thanks to DSFF (the biggest proponent for Jimmie Johnson in that debate) and his unnecessary, yet witty plug for Dale Earnhardt being the greatest driver of all-time, the latest edition of this debate got squandered in a hurry. Nice job, bud. As for Kyle Petty doing what he does best--being Kyle Petty--, he made the exact same remarks towards Danica back in 2010 before she ever ran a NASCAR race, saying "She's not a race car driver, she's a marketing tool." Three years later, his tune hasn't changed and the Danica marks (They're not fans, they're marks. The wrestling fans on here will know what I mean.) have not surprisingly gotten upset about the former driver ripping their favorite driver. Understandable, as I wouldn't like it if someone knocked my favorite driver either. However, the fact that all the arguments against Kyle stating his opinion have all involved using the "argument against the person" fallacy (i.e He's got a ponytail; He was a backmarker for his whole career--so not true--, etc.), as opposed to defending Danica for her on-track accomplishments (How can you defend mediocrity?), is why I'm paying no attention to this matter. One former driver gave his opinion on a current driver, and the "fans" of that driver got upset. Wow, what a story... I have no idea who those three guys were that were in the TNT booth at the end of their rain delayed broadcast, but I thought Kyle Petty had the line of the night when he found out that one of them owned a race team: "You're an owner? Great, I need a ride." Haha, classic Kyle Petty wittiness. It'd be nice to see him on an entry list once again, but I'm content with just listening to him speak his mind for the upcoming years. He was made for TV. 176. jabber1990 posted: 06.29.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wasn't that Atlanta race that was posponed from Saturday actually aried on a Tuesday? 177. Paul posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, Kyle Busch mentioned in his interview how the race surface at Kentucky doesn't dry very quickly after a rain storm, even stating how the track for the Nationwide race last night wasn't completely dry after having not rained in over a day. It'll be interesting to see if the "not completely dry" surface plays a part in how the on-track action plays out, not to mention the fact that the race will be run tomorrow in the early afternoon. I'm all in favor of having more day races, but I'm not so sure a day race at Kentucky in late June is the best place to start, albeit for rain delay reasons. I hope the drivers, crews, officials, and fans are all well-hydrated tomorrow. 178. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tuesday afternoon, joey. 179. 83andJoe posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) >If they can put on a show like the did at Indy then I will be glued to the TV and unable to stay sitting. Yes, I am excited. If they can put on a race like they did in TEXAS, it will be a good RACE. Indy wasn't a race, it was a circus, and the fact that a circus is considered "good racing" makes me wonder if maybe Indy shouldn't be allowed to die with dignity while it's still an actual sport. As for Kentucky, put on your clown shoes and start that rain dance, because if it gets delayed to after Loudon, that would conflict with the Nationwide race at Chicagoland, which would mean no Austin Dillon in the 51, which could mean Bobby Labonte getting a ride for the race... 180. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Quick query for you guys: if you were applying a points system to a NASCAR season way back then, would you give points to disqualifications? Think Marty Robbins in the 1972 Winston 500 (he was disqualified for not using a restrictor plate on his last 100 miles). Maybe that's a bad example, since he disqualified himself. 181. The Long Shot posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Quick query for you guys: if you were applying a points system to a NASCAR season way back then, would you give points to disqualifications? Think Marty Robbins in the 1972 Winston 500 (he was disqualified for not using a restrictor plate on his last 100 miles). Maybe that's a bad example, since he disqualified himself." No. I also believe that if you are parked by NASCAR, you don't have the right to receive any points. And yes, the Marty Robbins thing might have been a bad example. Robbins' car was damaged from an earlier accident, and he just wanted to see what it would be like to run with no restrictor plate (keep in mind that he was well out of contention at that point). Once he had his fun, he disqualified himself. Still, I would have loved to see that. 182. David posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No. I also believe that if you are parked by NASCAR, you don't have the right to receive any points." Reasonable enough. Actually, in my points system, 50th place is worth a single point. I finished the points for that race before I read your comment. I went ahead and gave him the point, but I will keep that in mind. 183. 83andJoe posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On the topic of points systems, here's one I just cooked up after a bit of pondering. 1st: 275 2nd: 225 3rd: 200 4th: 180 5th: 160 6th: 140 7th: 130 8th: 120 9th: 115 10th: 100 11th: 90 12th: 87 13th: 84 14th: 81 15th: 78 16th: 75 17th: 72 18th: 69 19th: 66 20th: 63 21st: 60 22nd: 58 23rd: 56 24th: 54 25th: 52 26th: 50 27th: 48 28th: 46 29th: 44 30th: 42 31st: 40 32nd: 38 33rd: 36 34th: 34 35th: 32 36th: 30 37th: 28 38th: 26 39th: 24 40th: 22 41st: 20 42nd: 18 43rd: 16 44th: 14 45th: 12 46th: 10 -Lap leaders receive 2 bonus points -Leading the most laps gives an additional 3 bonus points 184. 83andJoe posted: 06.29.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) (^ 9th should be 110, not 115, oops!) 185. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why go all the way down to 46th, 83andJoe? Unless you're counting DNQs, that's not possible in NASCAR anymore. 186. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Tuesday afternoon, joey." Of course it was! How could I forget that? I was in college, watching the race on my laptop in the library, and I had to rush off to a class with only 30 laps to go! So nerve-wracking! When I got to my class, I moved to an empty desk at the back of the class (lecture hall) and opened my laptop just in time to see Jeff Gordon doing a victory lap around the track, a la Kulwicki...what an awesome race that was! 187. Dave#38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's some trivia-of the 43 drivers in this race, only 5 of them have never failed to qualify for a race in one of Nascar's top three divisions (cup, NNS, and trucks). Can anyone name who the five are? 188. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) 83andJoe, the IndyCar race at Texas, if you can call it that, was a race where there wasn't any racing at all, and the people who run IndyCar admitted to that after the race was over. In fact, it was duller than any Cup-dominated Nationwide or Truck Series race I can recall. When guys get out to leads of 6, 8, 10 seconds or more and lap into the top five, as was the case at Texas, and there's no racing going on anywhere, that's something nobody wants to watch. If I recall, Helio Castroneves once led that race by more than half a lap, and before he became the dominant force in that race, Marco Andretti dominated in much the same way because nobody could race in that event. It resembled an Indianapolis 500 before 1979, when the pace car was first used during caution periods. In other words, you knew who would win before halfway unless there was a mechanical failure because the field was so ridiculously spread out. Five cars on the lead lap at Texas in a race with no attrition? There's almost no way Pocono can possibly be that dull and boring. 189. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My Atlanta 2011 story was this: I was in school, I remember going to the library to check out another book. I went to the card catalog computer, and I snuck a peek at the race progress on NASCAR.com. Jeff was in the lead at that time, so I was happy. After school, I rushed up to the public library to check with their computer, as the race was over by then. Once I saw that Jeff won, I went ballistic (silently, of course). That made my week, and it certainly made up for the fact that I would have been able to watch the race, had it been held on Saturday night. 190. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "here's one I just cooked up after a bit of pondering." I don't think cooking helped it much. Haha, just kidding. You know I'm going to ask the inevitable question, have you calculated the standings yet? 191. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Here's some trivia-of the 43 drivers in this race, only 5 of them have never failed to qualify for a race in one of Nascar's top three divisions (cup, NNS, and trucks). Can anyone name who the five are?" Danica Patrick, Carl Edwards, Ryan Newman, Juan Pablo Montoya, Clint Bowyer. I admit that I cheated, but I did know 3 of them for what it's worth. 192. 83andJoe posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS- I guess I look at it differently, but to me, that's how a race of that length SHOULD be. Twenty lead-lap cars constantly passing isn't a race, it's a show, and while it's a better "product" it's not a better "sport". I WANT to see people lead every lap and lap the field. That's not "dull" and "boring", That's Racin', and all the various ways they manufacture "better competition" make me like things less and less. David - Working on it. ;) The Long Shot - Until recently some races had 46 cars, when the Busch North cars ran as a combination race at Daytona. 193. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I went to the card catalog computer" More like "I slipped over to the card catalog computer". I'm smooth like that. 194. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I WANT to see people lead every lap and lap the field." There's a Cup race that was held in 2000 at Loudon that you would love to see, if you haven't already. 195. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've been to the last 2 Texas IndyCar races, and I have to say that I've enjoyed both of them almost equally. "Almost" because nothing could ever compare to last year's race there. I enjoyed this year's race quite thoroughly, though I know that others did not. It was really interesting to see how the leader would be able to maneuver his way through lapped traffic and to see if he could actually lap the whole field. That's just my take. It just seems to me that if you're actually at the track in person, the racing seems much better than what's on television. I remember that I went to the 2005 Truck race at Gateway where Ted Musgrave led all but two laps in that race, and I felt that the race was pretty awesome. To each his own, I guess. 196. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) if the 43-46th positions were awarded points by being DNQ's. how do you determine the positions is the fastest DNQ (what an oxymoron) 44th? and second fastest 45th and third fastest 46th? 197. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You're right, jabber, but doesn't that seem obvious? 198. 83andJoe posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Technically the system would continue onwards for older races, but in practice only down to 43rd... 199. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One of the reasons for that (the 18-20 cars on the lead lap), 83andJoe, is because nobody breaks any more. Not only were there a record number of leaders and lead changes in the Indianapolis 500, but the 26 cars that finished the race also constituted a record for a full 500-mile race, and of the seven cars that failed to finish, six of them crashed. In fact, Josef Newgarden's engine failure in last year's race is the only one to occur in the last eight Indianapolis 500s, and because of that, the drivers can run as hard as they so desire because they know they're not going to have engine trouble. Another thing that made this year's Indianapolis 500 so great was that fuel mileage never came into play, despite the race being run at the fastest clip ever in the history of the race. And all the drafting and passing is caused by the car itself, because no one car can get away from the pack. But really, what difference is there in the last two Indianapolis 500s and the races at Daytona and Talladega, even before the modern restrictor plate-era, because nobody could pull away from the pack. The only thing that could separate the leaders at Daytona and Talladega back then were pit stops. But the fact remains that almost every DNF in the Indianapolis 500 in the last eight years is from a crash because the cars don't break any more. That's why so many of them are running at the finish. Also remember that cars can get back on the lead lap through the wave around, which was born in IndyCar racing in about the year 2000, though that strategy is much riskier in IndyCar racing. In fact, in the 2009 Indianapolis 500, 20 cars finished, and those 20 cars ran 3,999 out of a possible 4,000 laps that day, and 11 of the 13 cars that failed to finish that day were in crashes. So if there's a race at Indy without very many crashes, as was the case this year, there's going to be at least two-thirds of the field running at the finish. 200. 83andJoe posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That is one thing that has somewhat made me wonder - at all the tracks, everybody goes flat out, there's no braking, no letting off, no skill in judging how deep to drive anymore... 201. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Personally, if I actually got to go to a race, I don't think I would be bothered if Jeff DNF'd just because I was actually THERE. I'm with DSFF: look for Jeff to be strong tomorrow. In recent years, there have been 4 intermediate track night races postponed due to the weather: 2003 Atlanta, 2007 Darlington, 2009 Charlotte, and 2011 Atlanta... Jeff won 3 of those, the two Atlanta's (2011 outdriving Jimmie despite having a slower car, and 2003 same situation with Tony Stewart) and the Darlington on the 2000 year old pavement where he pulled away from Denny Hamlin despite Hamlin having MUCH fresher tires at a track known for eating tires away in an instant. The 2009 Charlotte he ran in the top 3 to 5 cars the entire race before the rain delay. 202. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) At Post 179: Everyone is entitled to their opinion If you didn't like that race that's okay. I thought the race was pretty good with a deserving winner. 203. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought the Indy 500 was a bit artificial, but in the end the drivers that played the system the best would up at the front (Kanaan, Munoz, and Hunter-Reay). It wasn't racing, but it was still darned entertaining. It was basically the same BS we see at Daytona and Talladega. If you want RACING, you should watch the replay of the IndyCar race at Iowa last week. There, you had a driver who smashed the field (YAY HINCH!), but you had passing throughout the field as the better cars and drivers that day slowly rose to the top. 204. startandparkfan posted: 06.30.2013 - 9:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Can't watch this race (live at least), but I don't really care. I will probably DVR it and watch it later, if it does get underway. If Kentucky weather is anything like the weather where I live in NY, it will say thunderstorms, but is actually sunny and hot. Thats how it was the past few days. 205. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If they can put on a race like they did in TEXAS, it will be a good RACE. Indy wasn't a race, it was a circus, and the fact that a circus is considered "good racing" makes me wonder if maybe Indy shouldn't be allowed to die with dignity while it's still an actual sport." The only thing that was a circus at Indianapolis was the race for the lead. The racing from 3rd on back was great. They just need to figure out something with the current package so that the leader is no a sitting duck. NASCAR had this problem for a while at the plate tracks. It seems to be a disadvantage to be in the lead which made it look like a circus. The Texas race was a joke. I watched the full race because I thought Indy car may be back for good. I was wrong. I watched that night in constant boredom. I think there were maybe 3-5 green flag passes that were legit racing. The rest of the passing was done on strategy and in the pits. 206. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Lol, Ryan Newman: "I just want to race somewhere that I am wanted". Good luck with that one Smarty Pants. 207. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just looked at the radar and as of right now there is nothing south of Cincinnati. 208. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, not only was the leader a sitting duck at Daytona an Talladega a few years ago, that was also the case back in the 70s and early and mid-80s, which is what I compare the last two Indianapolis 500 to more than the racing at those tracks few years ago. But what I don't get is why they keep on passing for the lead when it's obvious that you don't generally want to be in the lead. My only guess on that is that, with so many cars able to stay up there because attrition is no longer a factor, they know that there's very little chance of the race finishing under green, and they want to be leading when the caution comes out with a lap or two to go, which would guarantee them the win since the race would finish under caution. 209. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm fairly confident that we can get the whole race underway. Like Baker said, the northern part of Kentucky is completely absent of storms at the moment, so unless some decide to pop out of nowhere, the race should be good to go to the end. And by the way, you can still call NicoRosbergFan the resident meteorologist. I'm just the nerdy kid who used to watch the Weather Channel for hours on end and has always been very fascinated by tornadoes (the Discovery Channel TV series Storm Chasers is one of my favorite TV shows). 210. The Sound posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Could somebody explain to me why RaceBuddy is not working? The last several times I have tried to use it, nothing shows up in the videos. I had hoped it was an issue with my web browser (Chrome), but the same issue is occurring in IE. Google has not been helpful whatsoever. 211. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And by the way, you can still call NicoRosbergFan the resident meteorologist." Thank you. "I'm just the nerdy kid who used to watch the Weather Channel for hours on end and has always been very fascinated by tornadoes." Ditto. 212. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Things are good to go racing in 6 minutes. 213. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Engines are fired! 214. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Could somebody explain to me why RaceBuddy is not working? The last several times I have tried to use it, nothing shows up in the videos. I had hoped it was an issue with my web browser (Chrome), but the same issue is occurring in IE. Google has not been helpful whatsoever." I think the real problem is you're expecting something on NASCAR.com to function normally. I just tried it and I had the same problem as you. 215. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I assume the cars were impounded, so what kinds of setup changes were used to run at night, and how can you change all that during a pitstop? what happens if you run yoru night setup during the day? 216. Mr X posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully like Fontana earlier this year this track responds well to a sunny hot day, resulting in a slick track and a better race then either of the previous two races. 217. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't even bother with RaceBuddy. I'm content to listen to PRN. 218. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) hey a KFC "I ate the bones" commerical! 219. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's our first "THE KIDS ARE EATING THE BONES!" commercial of the day. 220. Scott. B posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition caution at lap 30. Should be wedge and track bar adjustments for many teams. 221. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad to see that the I Ate The Bones 400 is under way at Kentucky. I actually already like what I'm seeing on the track thus far. A lot of these cars look like they're having a tough go at it. 222. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KFC "THE KIDS ARE EATING THE BONES!" commercial count so far: 2 223. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) By the way, breaking news on the F1 front: Nico Rosberg won the British Grand Prix, but he could be facing penalties after not slowing for yellow flags in turns 3 to 5 early on in the race. At this point, it sounds like his win is in jeopardy. 224. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've had issues with RaceView in the past. Sometimes it just plain doesn't work. I don't knpw how related it is to Race Buddy, but I've had issues before. 225. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition caution. 226. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) From the Danica Excuse Generator 5000: She's never run a Cup car at Kentucky before. 227. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "From the Danica Excuse Generator 5000:" Is this thing like the Nascar version of that ESPN.com Trade Machine or something? 228. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) is anyone having issues with the sound coming and going? or is it just my TV? 229. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "From the Danica Excuse Generator 5000" Have you been watching that machine? I think Doug Rice and Mark Garrow had it in the PRN booth yesterday. 230. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Is this thing like the Nascar version of that ESPN.com Trade Machine or something?" Looks like it's just the slightly-less-funny successor to the satirical comment fad. 231. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Breaking News: Nico Rosberg's win still stands. He got reprimanded for his behavior, but the win still stands. 232. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like this is going to be another Jimmie Johnson beat down. He will lead 3/4 of the race and walk away with the win. He has the best long run car. 233. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "satirical comment fad" It ended up a fad, yes, after numerous rants by certain nameless people kind of killed the fun in it. No matter, there are other ways to have fun. 234. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Something is wrong with Denny Hamlin. 235. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin in trouble. 236. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Flat tire for Hamlin. Tough break. 237. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin's tire just hit Earnhardt and Johnson in the grill! 238. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior and Johnson run over the carcass of Hamlin's car. 239. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We go from one bizarre tire race situation to another. 240. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *TIRE. 241. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Breaking News: Nico Rosberg's win still stands." YES! My win in NRF's league stands! 242. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good grief, am I terrible with typoes sometimes. 243. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Maybe it gave Johnson to much damage to win 244. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Airbrushed debris, there is no way that NASCAR really let that happen 245. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "after numerous rants by certain nameless people kind of killed the fun in it." lol, I wonder who that was. Seriously though, I appreciate that you guys have decided to tone down the fake name posting. Damn, Dale Jr and Jimmie run over the 11's tire after it came off!!! 246. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson's got pretty serious cosmetic damage. 247. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) dont worry Chad will find some sort of way to cheat to fix that damage and NASCAR wont notice it becasue his car is/was damaged 248. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Great, JJ will pit to fix the big dent in his front end, so we get to watxh him slice back through the field just to remind us how much better that 48 is than everyone else. 249. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) From the Danica Excuse Generator 5000: My long, wavy, beautiful hair blew in my face for the entire race, so I had to slow down so that I didn't wreck anybody. Why did I wreck Sam Hornish? My long, wavy, beautiful hair got tangled up in the steering wheel and jerked it hard to the right. 250. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "My long, wavy, beautiful hair blew in my face for the entire race, so I had to slow down so that I didn't wreck anybody. Why did I wreck Sam Hornish? My long, wavy, beautiful hair got tangled up in the steering wheel and jerked it hard to the right." That's why Cow Patty keeps his in a ponytail. 251. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch spins! 252. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How the heck did Denny get the free pass? 253. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch spins. 254. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch's seemingly weekly spin. 255. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon just missed that. 256. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Damn...nobody hit him 257. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a good thing Rosberg didn't get disqualified. If he did, I'm not sure what sort of havoc NicoRosbergFan would have wreaked over this comments section. Brrr. 258. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How the hell does Denny Hamlin get the free pass? Didn't he technically cause the caution...or does it not count since it was a debris caution? 259. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's a good thing Rosberg didn't get disqualified. If he did, I'm not sure what sort of havoc NicoRosbergFan would have wreaked over this comments section. Brrr." I actually would have liked to see that. 260. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I THINK he got the free pass becasue the caution was for Debris then again. he's trying to get in the chase. so NASCAR is giving him the position 261. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How the heck did Denny get the free pass?" I was thinking the same thing. The rule is if you cause the caution you don't get the free pass. It must not count for debris or something. 262. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dumbass. Its luck he didn't wipe Gordon out. 263. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Jeff did get damage. 264. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That goes against the spirit of the rule, in my opinion. Everyone knows that debris came directly from Hamlin's car, he caused the caution. 265. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) pass for the win 266. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. 267. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "5-Time Champion Prick" is in the race lead, with "very over-rated son of awesome dude who drove race-cars" in second and "let's dive-bomb Cryle Douche in Turn 11 even though there's absolutely no room and Cryle never forgets moron" in third. 268. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Huge crash for Keselowski! 269. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HARD HIT 270. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terrible wreck for Keselowski, Blaney, Biffle, and Kvapil. Biffle's car is on fire! 271. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski, Kvapil, and Biffle's cars are destroyed. 272. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) DSFF's day just got worse. 273. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) did you see Biffles car? 274. AveryNH posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ouch. Glad to see biffle out quick. Red flag. 275. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm glad to see Brad and Greg climb out of those cars. 276. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) NO! Not Travis Crab-Apple! And Danica Hat-Trick missed it. I hate this race. 277. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's hard to say, but it looks like Kurt Busch just made a reckless move on the apron and caused that. 278. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why in the hell would Busch do that so early in the race!? 279. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy cow, I know Kurt didn't mean that, but that was just ridiculous! 280. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it might be time for DSFF to start hitting the panic button as Keselowski's Chase chances just took a SERIOUS hit right there. A very ugly crash. 281. JRacingfast posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) These guys are racin like me on NASCAR THE GAMR INSIDE LINE after ive had a few drinks! 282. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch turned Keselowski.... and Keselowski's car turned right back onto the track while he was trying to save it. I'm just glad everyone's OK. 283. JRacingfast posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These guys are racin like me on NASCAR THE GAMR INSIDE LINE after ive had a few drinks! 284. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Dammit it all to hell, could Brad ever have a good race, Thank you very much Kurt f**king Busch thank you, you f**king dumbass, sorry for the rant guys 285. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The hell was Kurt Busch thinking? I get the feeling we're in for a crashfest today. 286. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Well that is not good for Keselowski's chase chances just one week after I was sticking up for him. Looks like come chase time I might have to eat some crow. Makes me sick to see 2 Top 10 drivers have another bad day so Paul Menard can continue to finish 14th and move up the standings. 287. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This race seems to have the makings of a wreck-fest. Glad that everybody climbed out of their cars. 288. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad everyone's okay. That was one of the worse wrecks in the Cup Series we've had all season. 289. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch: NASCAR's Dr. Jeykll and Mr. Hyde. 290. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Nice job Kurt. Hard to believe one of the most talented drivers out there can't buy a good ride. Not. We have seen today why the Busch brothers will never reach their unlinited potential. Or come close to it. 291. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "These guys are racin like me on NASCAR THE GAMR INSIDE LINE after ive had a few drinks!" Heck, these guys are racing like me on NASCAR The Game: Inside Line when I'm completely sober. 292. loomer posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Dumbass. Its luck he didn't wipe Gordon out." If anything, Kyle did a good job of staying off of Jeff as well as he did. 293. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I don't think Kurt did it on purpose, but I think he definitely misjudged his positioning. Either way, that was stupid aggression to show so early. 294. loomer posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Nice job Kurt. Hard to believe one of the most talented drivers out there can't buy a good ride. Not. We have seen today why the Busch brothers will never reach their unlinited potential. Or come close to it." Come on DSFF. I know you're upset but stop acting like the best drivers don't spin/cause accidents. Kurt made a dumb move and took out your favorite driver. I understand the frustration. 295. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) are you sure we should get rid of the yellow line rule at Daytona? 296. Mr X posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was a big misjudgment from Kurt, with the cameras audio being a little bit iffy it was hard to tell if his car was upset by the bumps on the apron or what, but that was a big needless mistake, he didn't appear to be fighting the car particularly hard to keep his car off of Brad. Pretty unfortunate. Also in fairness to Hamlin his car wasn't even on the track when the tire carcass came off. 297. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Like I said last week about Tony Stewart. Everyone of these drivers make a dumb move every now and then. Kurt Busch had his today, and just like I said about Tony last week at least he owned up to it immediately. A lot of these egos in the sport today refuse to own up to their mistakes. As much as I dislike Kurt I cannot hold this one against him because all 43 of these guys have done stupid things and at least Kurt owned up to it. 298. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Menard got damaged too, smart guy. I highly doubt he can finish 14th in a damaged RCR car. Let the Kurt Busch hate commence. Some of you have just been waiting for he or his brother to screw up and after months of good behavior, Kurt makes one bad mistake and now he's a target for insults. Feel free to stay off the bandwagon from now on. 299. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "NO! Not Travis Crab-Apple! And Danica Hat-Trick missed it. I hate this race." So you root for Danica to crash? I hope you're being sarcastic, because if not, that's quite sad, honestly. 300. AveryNH posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt misjudged the apron, took the stunt jump course Johnson took in qualifing and as a result got shoved up into Brad. Certainly too aggressive for lap 48 but that happens occasionally on these double file restarts. 301. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wait TNT said that it was a 7 car crash, I only counted 6 2, 7, 27, 16, 78, 83 302. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Nice job Kurt. Hard to believe one of the most talented drivers out there can't buy a good ride. Not. We have seen today why the Busch brothers will never reach their unlinited potential. Or come close to it." Seriously? I like you I really do, but time and time again it is hard take your opinions seriously. I've said it before but your comments a lot of times wreak of all sort of bias. A lot of these drivers do the same things as drivers you do like and you're reactions are always so vastly different. Brad Keselowski is my #2 and I hate to see this for him. Kurt Busch is also my 3rd most hated driver in the sport(Jimmie Johnson and Paul Menard), but even I can sit here and know he didn't do it on purpose. Like I said earlier every one of these 43 drivers have made stupid moves before. 303. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm with Baker and Paul here. Busch isn't the only one who has done stupid things on or off the race track. 304. AveryNH posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jabber the 33 spun behind the crash and got a little front end damage 305. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber, why do you expect (A)TNT to be able to count higher than 3? 306. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Time to test my powers... 307. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon made a comment on his radio about NASCAR outlawing drivers from driving on the apron at Kentucky because it's very bumpy and has no grip, unlike the aprons at places like Chicago or Las Vegas that do have grip. Perhaps NASCAR should consider doing so because as we just saw, using Kentucky's apron is basically an accident waiting to happen. 308. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (4) (5) Piss off, Johnson! 309. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lengthy red flag... And yes, Cassill was the 7th car in the wreck, he's going behind the wall. 310. ch posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ""NO! Not Travis Crab-Apple! And Danica Hat-Trick missed it. I hate this race." So you root for Danica to crash? I hope you're being sarcastic, because if not, that's quite sad, honestly." I personally would have rather she crashed than Dave and Travis. 311. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) People thumb down me every time I do that, but it has given someone with a conscience the win every time! 312. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not an Earnhardt fan by any stretch of the imagination but I hate this for him, he had a car that could have won the race. I hope the repairs got the car back into raceable shape. 313. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Did I say he did it on purpose? No. But it was a dumb move that probably hurt his car going through all those bumps. And it was a dumb move in a career full of dumb moves. That is what seperates drivers like Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon from the Busch brothers. And I know it took out my favorite driver, but when have I ever hesitated to call out somebody for doing something dumb? And there is a difference between making the occasional dumb move and having a resume full of career altering dumb moves. 314. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I personally would have rather she crashed than Dave and Travis." Why not just rather not have anyone crash? 315. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Honestly, I wouldn't have gone nuts on the comments section if the win had been pulled from Rosberg. I would have on a world-wide gorilla press slam spree. 316. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congratulations NicoRosbergFan on your epic Monaco/British GP double! All your driver has to do is win Monza for the F1 Triple Crown. Only Alain Prost in 1985 has won all three in a season. 317. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) ""NO! Not Travis Crab-Apple! And Danica Hat-Trick missed it. I hate this race." So you root for Danica to crash? I hope you're being sarcastic, because if not, that's quite sad, honestly." I don't root for anybody to crash, but if somebody had to crash, I'd rather have it be her than almost anybody else on the track (with the exception of Jimmie johnson). 318. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If the Kentucky Speedway could talk, here's what it'd say: "Damn, I wish IndyCar would come back here; at least that way I could a COMPETITIVE, PROFESSIONAL on my surface instead of this crap!" 319. racerkid posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its an okay race but no fan of caution races. Suprised since its a 1.5 mile track. 320. Speaking for Kvapil and Blaney posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) Where is my interveiw? I was in that wreck as well! 321. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Can Nap-Time's engine please take a permanent nap? 322. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't root for anybody to crash, but if somebody had to crash, I'd rather have it be her than almost anybody else on the track (with the exception of Jimmie johnson)." Fair enough, I just think Kvapil getting in the crash and Danica missing it are unrelated. It's not like one of them absolutely had to crash. "If the Kentucky Speedway could talk, here's what it'd say: "Damn, I wish IndyCar would come back here; at least that way I could a COMPETITIVE, PROFESSIONAL on my surface instead of this crap!"" I never watched a Kentucky IndyCar race, were those even any good? 323. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I still think Jimmie has won this race 324. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I totally agree that Kurt did not mean to do that. It ultimately was just a racing deal. But at the same time, it was a bit reckless to be doing that at that point in the race. Jeff Burton in 15th after being caught speeding twice today. This I think is for sure one of his best runs on a 1.5 miler this year. Maybe THE best. Solid come back for Denny thus far too. And Gordon has been really solid, as I expected. 325. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larry Mac: "We have had about 14 or 15 cautions" 326. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I never watched a Kentucky IndyCar race, were those even any good?" Yeah, usually. They were kind of scary to watch though because of the rough surface that Kentucky has. 327. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Sadly, it seems like hitting the lining of Denny's tire has made Johnson's car BETTER than it was before. 328. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Hendrick cars will be 1,2,3 soon which will make an already shitty day for me five times worse, hopefully Logano can get up there since Brad is out already 329. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) This has got to be the worst track on the schedule. Watching this is an ordeal. 330. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, usually. They were kind of scary to watch though because of the rough surface that Kentucky has." I bet they could draw a similar crowd to this race at least. The stands are so empty you can easily see the paint patterns. 331. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Regan Smith: "Yup, Jeff got my car by mistake!" #nonsatircaljokesonRR 332. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "This has got to be the worst track on the schedule. Watching this is an ordeal." If they would permanently make it a day race it would be a ton better. This has easily been the best Cup race they've had there so far. 333. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Debris from Gilliland causes another caution. 334. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "This has got to be the worst track on the schedule. Watching this is an ordeal." I say it's better than Pocono, because at least Kentucky only has one race date. 335. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Of course! A caution after Gordon pits so he can be trapped a lap down. 336. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Oh come on, it doesn't even mean anything anymore with that stupid wave-around rule. 337. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do agree Kentucky sucks, but its been better than Pocono was a few weeks ago 338. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If they would permanently make it a day race it would be a ton better. This has easily been the best Cup race they've had there so far." I agree. A hot slick bumpy track makes for better racing than a cool unslick bumpy track. 339. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Terrible restart for Johnson. 340. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) somebody just passed Johnson? *head explodes* 341. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Good! Now keep the hell away from the lead, if you please! 342. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Stremme 13th? Holy hell. 343. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if the Dover thing is pysching out Jimmie, which is good for the competition even though it wont affect anything. Jimmie has already won 344. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stremme thirteenth on a high-speed intermediate? What? 345. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've said some critical things about Jeff Burton recently, but he's having a very good race. 346. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Now we know why Jimmie dropped out of the lead. He is foolishly commenting on RR while he's driving. 347. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh come on, it doesn't even mean anything anymore with that stupid wave-around rule." It does matter for one simple reason: Track position. 348. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jeff "I'm The Best Washed Up Driver In Nascar" Burton is running 5th. As a lifelong fan of his, I'm really happy right now. 349. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It does matter for one simple reason: Track position." Debris cautions like this and pit strategy can make that up very quickly. Still a long way to go. 350. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a huge chunk of metal on the track that Kenseth ran over. That should cause some concern for the 20 team. 351. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) damn, today is not the day for leaders 352. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) OMFG. Jimmie's only real competition just ran over a huge chunk of debris. I am at this point convinced that Tony Stewart's equipment is junk or he is washed up. The only legit pass he has made all year was on Juan Montoya at Dover for the win. Even when he does get to restart up near the front(Top 5) he just drops slowly until soon he is barely clinging to the top dozen. 353. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson fakes Kenseth out and will take the lead by not pitting. Seems like a good decision as 11 other cars did the same and the first car with even 2 tires (Kenseth) will be back in 12th. BTW, most of the wave-arounds stayed out and are right back in the top 10. So much for the lost track position. 354. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) As for Burton, I would have agreed with anyone that said he was completely useless as a driver...until this year. He has really seemed to have turned it around this year. Part of it is his crew chief, Luke Lambert, but Burton been doing good for himself his year. 355. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) What a surprise, A Track on a hot slick Sunday puts on better racing and makes it easier to pass, but oh no, the "fans" say we need more Saturday Night races. 356. Mr X posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry I missed it but did Jeff Gordon pit during that last caution? 357. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I am at this point convinced that Tony Stewart's equipment is junk or he is washed up." I just think he's being affected by the distractions of being a team owner. Logano to 2nd. Good run for him. I don't like him, but I think he deserves a Cup win this year for sure. 358. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I said Stewart slowly drops out of the Top 10. Well this time he dropped like a rock. It took him only a single lap to lose 6 spots. 359. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Proof NASCAR "fans" are even dumber then the Daytona Beach brats that run the sport, at least the latter of the 2 know how to make money and business deals. 360. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Maybe God just punishes us for being so harsh on Jimmie, even if Jimmie and Chad think themselves better than HE. 361. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano has really surprised me this year, so I wouldn't really mind to see him in victory lane. 362. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon is dropping like a stone. He's already given up all the track position he's gained and it looks like he's going to give up even more. 363. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Maybe God just punishes us for being so harsh on Jimmie, even if Jimmie and Chad think themselves better than HE." They do? And you know this how? 364. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) From the Danica Excuse Generator 5000: Lots of rookies struggle. Gordon went winless, Dale crashed out 4 times, and JJ failed to win ROY. She'll be a champ eventually. 365. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I am at this point convinced that Tony Stewart's equipment is junk or he is washed up." Tony's REAL problem this year is that he's been letting the guy from the Coke radio commercials ride in his cars. "YOU MIGHT WANT TO SLOW IT DOWN THROUGH THE TURNS, TONY!!!! WE DON'T WANT TO SPILL ANY OF THIS COKE!!!" 366. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "From the Danica Excuse Generator 5000: Lots of rookies struggle. Gordon went winless, Dale crashed out 4 times, and JJ failed to win ROY. She'll be a champ eventually." To be fair, her rookie year isn't much worse than Brad Keselowski's so far. 367. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adam Alexander: "An entertaining afternoon..." Where exactly is he at? 368. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) NLA, if you knew jackshit about racing you wouldn't have to ask such a dumb question. 369. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe God just punishes us for being so harsh on Jimmie" My guess is that God did us all a favor by ending the Nationwide race on Friday night, and he's re-paying that favor by giving us yet another Jimmie Johnson front-run. 370. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NLA, if you knew jackshit about racing you wouldn't have to ask such a dumb question." Is it because they win a lot? 371. Mr X posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF it's much harder to speed them up then it is to slow them down. 372. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Wow, AJ is running really good in that 47. I'm unfortunately starting to get convinced that Bobby is much worse than I thought. Maybe he could just get a Truck ride for next year or something. You guys were right, I don't think he's got anything left in Cup. There are SO many guys having good runs in this race. Austin Dillon and Brian Vickers are two more. McMurray has another top ten run going too. 373. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "I am at this point convinced that Tony Stewart's equipment is junk or he is washed up." Neither. I think he broke a hip doing the splits in that commercial of his. He just has never said anything about it. 374. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Danica Excuse Generator 5000:" Have you thought about selling this to our politicians? You'd be a billionaire 375. G posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) After checking the leaderboard, The Dinger is currently in 12th place in the 47 car. I am thinking on the Bobby Labonte situation, it may actually be the driver. I am a fan of Bobby's and he's had a great career, but he's made some poor decisions when it comes to teams and such and it's affected his racing performance over the years. I think it's time for Bobby to retire. 376. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Adam Alexander: "An entertaining afternoon..." Where exactly is he at?" Am I the only one that has enjoyed this race? It has by no means been the best race this year, but there have been a lot of comers and goers with the track conditions that have made it interesting. The last little while has been kind of dull with the 48 running away with it, but overall I think it's been a solid race. 377. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is just making this track look worse than it already does. 378. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "After checking the leaderboard, The Dinger is currently in 12th place in the 47 car. I am thinking on the Bobby Labonte situation, it may actually be the driver. I am a fan of Bobby's and he's had a great career, but he's made some poor decisions when it comes to teams and such and it's affected his racing performance over the years. I think it's time for Bobby to retire. " I'm starting to wonder if they upgraded their equipment just for the Allmendinger races just to make Bobby look bad. "Am I the only one that has enjoyed this race? It has by no means been the best race this year, but there have been a lot of comers and goers with the track conditions that have made it interesting. The last little while has been kind of dull with the 48 running away with it, but overall I think it's been a solid race." I think it's been like a parade aside from the wrecks and the faster cars who pitted slowly gaining a few spots on the track. 379. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Obviously the 47 car is far from elite, but we are learning two things today when combined with its Michigan run. 1) Bobby is holding them back and 2) AJ can wheel a race car. 380. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (27) I wish God would really do us a favor and take back Feburary 18th 2001 and take Jimmie Johnson instead. Fair trade if you ask me. 381. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Neither. I think he broke a hip doing the splits in that commercial of his. He just has never said anything about it." Too many soda cookies can't be good either, lol. 382. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If you never believed me before, believe me now. In the right car, Jamie is hell on wheels! 383. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wish God would really do us a favor and take back Feburary 18th 2001 and take Jimmie Johnson instead. Fair trade if you ask me." Classy. 384. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course! Another caution comes out just as Jeff Gordon pits. 385. AveryNH posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution as soon as Gordon pits. The racing gods hate him 386. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NO NO NO NO!!!!!!! Caution while Jeff is on pit road. Again. 387. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution as Gordon is on pit road. Server overload is about to commence. Damn, Hamlin has another problem? He had such a good comeback going. What a shame that is. 388. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The racing gods want Jeff Gordon to finish a lap down in this race. 389. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Jeff Gordon's Weekly Bad Break presented by KFC" 390. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Gordon gets the free pass. Again, a bad situation that really isn't that bad. 391. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, it's pretty much official...Denny Hamlin is NOT going to make the Chase. 392. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) when Jeff Gordon hit pit road I said "a caution is coming out" when I hit F5, I came back with a cation 393. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I just spoke to Dale through an Ouiji board, here is what he said: "I don't think you can have any badder luck than Gordon has" 394. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But he is going to be stuck in all that traffic and barely make any progress moving forward. It's becoming pretty obvious he's not going to be back in the top 10 today. 395. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's a bit too convenient that these cautions never come unless Jeff is pitting... this week, Sonoma, Dover last year, etc... 396. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Seriously?? No one thought post #365 was funny? 397. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "To be fair, her rookie year isn't much worse than Brad Keselowski's so far." Not if you count 2009 as Brad's real rookie season. He won Talladega and finished 7th in his Southern 500 debut. 398. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yeah, if it wasn't official before today then today makes it official Denny Hamlin is done. Does anyone think his team could be running some radical set ups to make more speed and it is causing all these tire issues for them? 399. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Baker, that's just wrong to say. We may all dislike Johnson, but we'd never hate him so much as to want him killed. I mean, this has been a tragic month, with the deaths of Jason Leffler and Allan Simonsen. Certainly what happened on Feb. 18, 2001 was tragic, but it happens, and there's nothing we can do about it. 400. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But he is going to be stuck in all that traffic and barely make any progress moving forward. It's becoming pretty obvious he's not going to be back in the top 10 today." There's still a long way to go, he'll be back. A few spots on the track, a few on pit road, a few more by pit strategy, and he's right back in it. It would have been better if the caution came out before his stop, of course, but this is a manageable situation. 401. Mr X posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the second time today Denny Hamlin has a tire problem, and for the second time today Jeff Gordon pits under green just as a caution comes out, and just as in Charlotte Alan Gustafson sent Jeff away after just two tires, luckily Jeff will get the free pass this time. I'm not impressed, seems pretty risky for little gain. Alan is very lucky that this will turn out better then in the 600. 402. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well said SpeedWorld 97, thank you. 403. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, I thought it was funny. I would have thought it even more funny if my favorite driver wasn't worthless this year. 404. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Baker and NoLongerAnonymous, our very own trolls and proof that even if people had to register, this site would STILL have trolls. 405. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Also, it's pretty much official...Denny Hamlin is NOT going to make the Chase." Wow, you're just realizing this? Wait, never mind...I'm sure BSPN and Fox probably are still a few months behind you. It'll take them until October to realize that Hamlin won't make the Chase. 406. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ...Seriously, I don't like Jimmie Johnson as much as the next guy, but Baker is just appalling me. WHAT has Jimmie Johnson actually done to deserve a violent death and eternal damnation? He's (VERY questionably) dominated NASCAR for the past several years. It's not like he's a serial killer or a child molester or something like that... 407. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Not if you count 2009 as Brad's real rookie season. He won Talladega and finished 7th in his Southern 500 debut." I'm just saying. Keselowski's way better than Danica and I'm not stupid enough to think otherwise, but her rookie season is pretty typical of an average or below driver. Keselowski definitely had some good races in the 09 before his rookie season, but his official rookie season was mediocre. 408. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Is it just me, or does anybody else get sick of these "Jimmie Johnson is saving fuel" in-car moments every other week? 409. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully Brad can maintain minimum speed and possibly pick up a couple of points. 410. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Baker and NoLongerAnonymous, our very own trolls and proof that even if people had to register, this site would STILL have trolls." Why am I a troll? Because I don't agree with you? 411. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mashed potatoes and gravy!!! Mac and cheese! 412. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wish God would really do us a favor and take back Feburary 18th 2001 and take Jimmie Johnson instead. Fair trade if you ask me." Of all the years you could have said that, this is without a doubt the worst year you could have picked. We've lost Dave Marcis, Jason Leffler, and Allan Simonsen within the past 2 months, and you're still making these moronic comments? You ass-hole. Take your Jimmie Johnson death wishes and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, Baker. 413. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a serious question, not accusing anyone of cheating yet but how can the 48 be so much faster than everyone else even with aero damage at a big aero track 414. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I always wondered if it was possible to save fuel mid-race so that you can pit later in the race and give you an extra gallon or 2 of fuel and I often wonder, will the 11 become the R&D car? 415. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) A JTG car is running 10th?!?! WHAT?! 416. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We've lost Dave Marcis" Dick Trickle. 417. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Baker and NoLongerAnonymous, our very own trolls and proof that even if people had to register, this site would STILL have trolls." Why NLA? What about Anthony? 418. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""We've lost Dave Marcis" Dick Trickle." Woooowww. I am stupid. 419. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @412 did Dave Marcis die? I never heard about that. 420. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was fortunate enough to forget Anthony in that... 421. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (8) As I said in another thread here a while back. I don't want Jimmie dead. I just want him to drive into a wall and shatter his hip because from experience he will never use a clutch again if he shatters his hip like I did. I was not wishing for someone to die I was simply talking about a trade which is why I brought up 2/18/01 422. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dave is alive and kicking. 423. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We've lost Dave Marcis" Please, no. We can't lose Marcis yet. Biffle back out on track. 424. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) ...So basically you want Jimmie Johnson to be potentially crippled for life. That's STILL pretty damned disgusting. 425. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dinger in the Top 10. Alright guys, we've made our point towards Baker. Time to back off. And I fail to see how NLA is a troll. 426. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NLA is not a troll. NRF just misspelled "Anthony". 427. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "As I said in another thread here a while back. I don't want Jimmie dead. I just want him to drive into a wall and shatter his hip because from experience he will never use a clutch again if he shatters his hip like I did." So you don't want him to die, you just want him critically injured. What a classy way to correct yourself. 428. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brads car doesnt seem that slow 429. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Long Shot you scared me bad there by mixing Marcas with Trickle. Thought we had lost another one 430. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, he's caught back up to the back of the pack. lol 431. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I was not wishing for someone to die" Baker, that is very dangerous territory. It can't even REMOTELY appear like you're wishing death on someone. 432. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have a serious question, not accusing anyone of cheating yet but how can the 48 be so much faster than everyone else even with aero damage at a big aero track" Something is definitely up with the 48 the in the last month or so. I don't know if they exploited rulebook loop-hole/gray area (most likely) or just hit on something that the other teams haven't. Watching his car in person at Michigan be 10-12 car lengths behind another car one lap and then passing that car the next lap was mind boggling. No other car was that fast that race. 433. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) So dumb how there was an awesome battle for 2nd with Bowyer and Edwards and they just cut to commercial. 434. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "As I said in another thread here a while back. I don't want Jimmie dead. I just want him to drive into a wall and shatter his hip because from experience he will never use a clutch again if he shatters his hip like I did." And you're saying that wishing injury on someone is okay? Unless the person is particularly evil, I would never wish injury on another living person. "I was not wishing for someone to die I was simply talking about a trade which is why I brought up 2/18/01" And what happened on that fateful day? Dale Earnhardt was killed. By talking about trading Earnhardt for Johnson, you are therefore wishing that Johnson was dead. Although I'd much rather have Earnhardt around than Johnson, wishing for Johnson to die or even to injure himself is downright cruel, and I will never do it. 435. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Baker, the man drives a freaking race car in a circle once a week for about 3 hours for our entertainment for a living. He has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve a death wish, crash wish, cripple wish, etc. That's sick, you're sick, and I'd still call you sick even if I wasn't a fan of Jimmie's. You've got some mental problems, boy 436. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sounds like this race has been a big kick to the balls so far with Hamlin, Brad, The Biff and Paul Menard all having trouble and the chosen one leading. 437. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon's up to 16th! 438. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry everybody. That was a bad mistake on my part, as I just wasn't thinking straight. Didn't mean to scare anybody. 439. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't want to sound like I'm jumping on the "I hope Johnson wreaks while leading" bandwagon, but I just wonder if that tire carcass would cut or break something underneath that car later in the race. I'm just speculating. 440. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was never an Earnhardt fan, in fact I loved to root against him, but that day is one of the saddest days I can remember in my life, and it's sad every time a driver dies or even is critically injured. I think it's really pathetic if anyone could even think about wishing death or serious bodily injury on any of these drivers. All they do is drive a car, they didn't rape anyone, kill anyone, or commit terrorist acts. Just try to keep things in perspective. 441. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Approximate DSFF kick to the balls count: 5,000,000 442. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Very quietly, we may have another Refuse To Lose Alert brewing. Didn't he restart 25th? 443. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are the stands so empty because the race was postponed or were they this empty last night also? This is really embarrassing for a Cup race. Please, Bruton, give the date back to Atlanta or something. 444. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) I really want to see Baker TRY to justify why Johnson deserves death or permanent injuries that would affect him for the rest of his life. Think of his FAMILY. Does his family deserve to go through that much pain and heartache? Do his children deserve to grow up without a father? If I were the webmaster, Baker and Anthony would have been banned months ago. 445. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PRN says they wouldn't let Joe Gibbs go into the Care Center to see Hamlin until he pleaded with the officials out front for several minutes. That doesn't sound good. 446. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The I Ate The Bones and Soda Cookies 400 at Kentucky. 447. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) That's embarrassing. Brad Keselowski is back on the track, 108 laps down, with all sorts of damage to his car, and he gets called for speeding on pit road. Approximate DSFF kick to the balls count: 5,000,001 448. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Very quietly, we may have another Refuse To Lose Alert brewing. Didn't he restart 25th?" Another caution will come out the second he pits. He will get the another lucky dog, but this time his pit crew will have forgotten to put the lugnuts back on his tires or put fuel in his car. 449. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't hear, did they release Hamlin from the care center? 450. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "PRN says they wouldn't let Joe Gibbs go into the Care Center to see Hamlin until he pleaded with the officials out front for several minutes. That doesn't sound good." He probably hurt his back again. I honestly feel like they rushed him back too soon. A broken back is pretty serious business, and you need a lot of recuperating time. I hope it isn't re-injured too badly if that is the case. 451. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "PRN says they wouldn't let Joe Gibbs go into the Care Center to see Hamlin until he pleaded with the officials out front for several minutes. That doesn't sound good." I heard that. It really doesn't sound good. You listening to PRN while watching the race? 452. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Didn't he restart 25th?" Yesum. 453. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You listening to PRN while watching the race?" I'm watching the race via a feed online that goes to NASCAR RaceBuddy and PRN at commercials. Brad sped AGAIN. 454. John Royal posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution 455. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jacques Debris brings out the yellow. 456. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And cue the Danica benefit caution. 457. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hoping Denny Hamlin is alright as he did hit the wall pretty hard and that can't be good for his back. Having said that, it probably would have been a lot smarter to just sacrifice the year for Hamlin and have him miss the majority of the season rather than hurry him back into the cockpit in the hopes that he could go on a tear and make the Chase. 458. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Caution because BoB needs to finish on the lead lap in every race. 459. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chad Knaus makes another baffling decision and the #48 only takes 2 tires. 460. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They're interviewing Denny. 461. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No tires for Johnson, while everybody else took either 2 or 4. This restart is gonna be good. 462. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Make that two tires. 463. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad to see Denny ok. 464. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hopefully nothing is permanently damaged with Denny. He may be one of my least favorite personalities, but I hope he's alright. Sounds ok in the interview. 465. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Regardless if Hamlin is re-injured or not. He should just call it a season and rest his back the rest of the year. Hopefully tires make a difference this last run, since Johnson only took two and almost everybody behind him took four. 466. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) yea, the restart is going to be good....for Johnson 467. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson and Vickers take two tires and everyone else takes four. That should be interesting. Denny says he's okay, he just hit his knee on the steering column in that crash. Glad to hear that it doesn't sound like he broke his back again or anything major like that. 468. John Royal posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So he probably just hit his knee as far as I got the message. 469. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin has been released from the infield care center. Glad he's okay. He said that apparently he just got his bell rung a little bit. 470. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad Denny is OK. He really should consider taking some more races off though. I think Chad Knaus has made a really dumb decision in about 4 straight races now. 471. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully the 48 fades on 2 tires the way the 99 did. 472. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I actually don't doubt the authenticity of this caution, considering the presence of Keselowski's and Biffle's cars out on the racetrack. 473. Jeff posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What was this caution for? They never said 474. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hold the conspiracy debris theories for a moment. Has anyone ever thought that the broadcast teams just don't want to show debris every time? They never show passes back in the field, but that doesn't mean they don't happen. Might be the same thing with debris. Without this conspiracy theory, who wants to look at a piece of debris sitting on track? 475. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course Jimmie just drives off and leaves everyone, even though he only has two tires. 476. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hold the conspiracy debris theories for a moment. Has anyone ever thought that the broadcast teams just don't want to show debris every time? They never show passes back in the field, but that doesn't mean they don't happen. Might be the same thing with debris. Without this conspiracy theory, who wants to look at a piece of debris sitting on track?" Well, I personally believe 90% of the debris cautions are real, but I think it would be better if they showed them just to reassure us they just aren't "playing God." 477. JRacingfast posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone know if tnt is doing there wide open coverage next week? 478. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Nevermind. Forgot how blatently superior the 48 car is. This just shows how far ahead of the competition they are. Its impossible to make a bad pit call when the car is that superior. Its like all those years Ray Evernham was hailed as a genius. 479. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, I personally believe 90% of the debris cautions are real, but I think it would be better if they showed them just to reassure us they just aren't "playing God." I agree, but from the perspective of a fan new to watching races, if they see a caution for a piece of metal the size of a phone, that might not be very beneficial to NASCAR to be losing fans who haven't had time to understand that small debris can cause big trouble. Just a thought 480. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Does anyone know if tnt is doing there wide open coverage next week?" Last I heard they cancelled the wide open coverage for this year. That means MORE MASHED POTATOES AND GRAVY AND MAC N CHEESE AND OH NO I ATE THE BONES! 481. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I lost count, how many "I ATE THE BONES/THE KIDS ATE THE BONES!" commercials have there been today? 482. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I Ate The Kids. 483. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I lost count, how many "I ATE THE BONES/THE KIDS ATE THE BONES!" commercials have there been today? " A trillion billion zillion! 484. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's too early to judge the 2-tire call, we can't judge that until the final pit stops (if things stay green) when they'll almost have to take 4 and other teams can save several seconds and take 2. "I agree, but from the perspective of a fan new to watching races, if they see a caution for a piece of metal the size of a phone, that might not be very beneficial to NASCAR to be losing fans who haven't had time to understand that small debris can cause big trouble. Just a thought" I was thinking from the perspective of a long-time race fan, but that could be a possible explanation. 485. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll still take those "THE KIDS ATE THE BONES" commercials over those Geico commercials featuring the guy made out of money. Now that guy just gives me the creeps. 486. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Greg Biffle's team seriously deserves a medal for putting that car back together. I thought the entire front of the car was gone. 487. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How about Logano? He's really impressed me over this past month. Coming back from that points penalty which seemed to all but end his season, Logano has had some really good runs over these last few weeks. I doubt he'll win today, but a runner-up finish would be big for his championship chances. 488. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (8) A cripple for life? Hardly. I get around just fine I just cannot carry things up a latter or drive stick for long periods of time anymore. I walk just fine can still run for short periods of time and do everything I did before my injury just not as athletic as I once was. Jimmie Johnson is the biggest cheater in sports. If am I a bad guy for wanting that scum out of the sport then I am a bad guy. 489. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 10 lead changes is pathetic for a race, this is like watching Grand-Am GT cars race against DP cars 490. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Its like all those years Ray Evernham was hailed as a genius." Even though Gordon didn't have the car superiority that Johnson has enjoyed in those days. Evernham was successful because Gordon made him successful. Gordon won 40 races and had a shot at the title in 2001,2004 and 2007. What did Evernham accomplish in comparison after he and Gordon parted ways? 491. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) This is just depressing and demoralizing seeing how much better the 48 is. I will say Jimmie Johnson is the worst thing that has ever happened to NASCAR. For a driver as boring as him to be on such a great team, dominating so much, it has just sent so many fans away. He is killing the sport and stock car racing. 492. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nevermind. Forgot how blatently superior the 48 car is. This just shows how far ahead of the competition they are. Its impossible to make a bad pit call when the car is that superior. Its like all those years Ray Evernham was hailed as a genius." Aren't we supposed to be in a age of "parity"? Yet we still have a team with a car so superior that it can run away and hide from the rest of the field even on older left side tires, just like in the age of non-parity. 493. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate that geico guy made out of money. for 1 I named him Warren Buffett, and 2, inflation 494. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought this race was good in the first half, but it's seriously fallen off dramatically. It seems like the cloud cover has messed everyone (but the 48) up. 495. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Jimmie Johnson is the biggest cheater in sports. If am I a bad guy for wanting that scum out of the sport then I am a bad guy." It would be different if you were wishing for him to "realize racing isn't his life's true calling" or something. But you didn't wish for him to just leave the sport, you wished for him to be forced out by an unnecessarily gruesome injury. And I wonder how many people had those sorts of wishes against Junior Johnson, Darrell Waltrip, and all the other cheaters of the old days. 496. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano's been running well all season, Long Shot, much to murb's dismay. 497. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hold the conspiracy debris theories for a moment. Has anyone ever thought that the broadcast teams just don't want to show debris every time? They never show passes back in the field, but that doesn't mean they don't happen. Might be the same thing with debris. Without this conspiracy theory, who wants to look at a piece of debris sitting on track?" I would say you have some strong logic here if I hadn't ever been to a NASCAR event. I have been to 5 truck races and 2 cup races and have witnessed more than a couple "debris" cautions where no safety truck or track personnel were sent out to collect this so called "debris". 498. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "10 lead changes is pathetic for a race" There were 2 in the British Grand Prix. Was that race pathetic? 499. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) As annoying as Johnson may be to you, I can't see how you can hate all of his success. As a driver/team combo, he's clearly the best. 500. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ", this is like watching Grand-Am GT cars race against DP cars" what happens if a Grand-Am GT car wins the race? somebody said its impossible becasue they are running the GT1 race not in the DP1 also, whats more likley to win a race? a LMP1, or a DP1? 501. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR.com's Lap by Lap just said that it's going to be an exciting finish. Yeah, maybe in the Twilight Zone. 502. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Jeff Gordon up to ninth.....*please, please, please complete the Refuse to Lose rally* 503. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gordon won 40 races and had a shot at the title in 2001,2004 and 2007. What did Evernham accomplish in comparison after he and Gordon parted ways? " Not really a fair comparison. Jeff Gordon was a race car driver with Evernham and after Evernham. Ray was a crew chief with Gordon a car owner after Gordon, and he did have some success. He wasn't a complete failure. 504. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Johnson MIGHT be a cheater and harmful for the sport, but I STILL don't see how that makes him deserving of a severe potentially life-altering injury or even death. Unless you see cheaters in sports as equally evil and cold-hearted as serial killers and child predators... 505. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (11) He is the best because they are the best cheaters. The only way he is leaving is if he is forced out, so yes I want him forced out. 506. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Logano's been running well all season, Long Shot, much to murb's dismay." He honestly hasn't been bothering me as much lately. I think that whole "love triangle" thing he had with Hamlin and Stewart kind of taught him to just shut up and drive the race car. And it seems to have helped him on the race track as well. Maybe he's finally learning. 507. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Come on Logano, catch Johnson! 508. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Baker, please stop. You're ruining our intelligent debates and conversations with your disgusting posts. 509. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Logano's been running well all season, Long Shot, much to murb's dismay." Yes, but he was quite inconsistent throughout the first part of the season, although that was mainly due to accidents and engine failures. He seems to have become a lot more consistent over these last few races, though. "As annoying as Johnson may be to you, I can't see how you can hate all of his success. As a driver/team combo, he's clearly the best." There's no denying that he is the best, but it gets annoying that he's consistently the best and runs in the top 5 almost every week, especially this year. 510. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't count that 24 out just yet. As some posters have mentioned, Jeff Gordon has performed some Refuse to Lose moments over the past few years, but those have been few and far between. If this holds up, this will be consecutive comebacks by Jeff in places that aren't easy to pass on. Maybe he does have a little left in the tank . 511. Zackary Shawn posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) It sounds like Johnson may go nearly half the race on the same set of left side tires (unless he does a rare left side only stop) and still win the race. That's not the way it's supposed to be. 512. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Jimmie Johnson is the biggest cheater in sports." So, Jimmie is a bigger cheater than Tiger Woods, Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemons, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Ryan Braun, Jose Canseco? He's a bigger scumbag than the likes of killers and rapists such as Ray Lewis, Kobe Bryant, Ben Rothlesberger, Aaron Hernandez, OJ Simpson? Your argument holds as much water as a bucket made of swiss cheese 513. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Log off and go home Baker, your posts are appallingly gross. 514. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Alright would you rather me say the next time he falls of a golf cart instead of breaking his wrist I hope he hits his head and forgets that he is a race car driver then decides to become a dairy farmer in Wisconsin instead? Actually my ultimate dream would be that he is forced out of the sport by the governing body due to cheating so that everyone else learns what a cheater he has been for years. 515. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers wrecks!! 516. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Vickers crashes hard due to a blown tire. 517. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers blows a right front. 518. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers has a right front let go, caution. 519. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Gordon with Evernham: 216 races, 47 wins (21.7%), 116 top 5s (53.7%), 140 top 10s (64.8%), 30 poles (13.9%), 8.2 average start, 11.5 average finish, 3 championships in 7 seasons (42.9%) Gordon without Evernham: 489 races, 40 wins (8.2%), 186 top 5s (38%), 279 top 10s (57.1%), 42 poles (8.6%), 11.5 average start, 12.9 average finish, 1 championship in 14 seasons (7.1%) As great as Gordon has been since Evernham left, his percentages in every category have fallen significantly. 520. 13 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution out Jimmie still wins though 521. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers in the wall. CAUTION. 522. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers in the wall hard while running in the top 10 523. epzik8 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just knew Brian Vickers would crash in the closing laps! 524. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Performance enhancing drugs are no different than a driver with a car that has its performance enhanced. 525. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) I think we should just ignore Baker's posts from now on. He's made it pretty clear he has some serious real life issues and it's pretty clear he's not going to change anytime soon. He and Anthony should just be permanently ignored because they just get us sidetracked with their issues. 526. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And you know who the 2 fastest cars at the time of Vickers' wreck were? None other than Kasey Kahne and Jeff "Refuse To Lose" Gordon. 527. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 15 drivers can take 2 with Jimmie 4 and he'll still drive through the field. 528. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kenseth to the lead off pit road! 529. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth takes no tires. 530. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Baker's disgusting today. 531. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Piss off, Johnson! 532. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Right-sides only for Jeff Gordon. 533. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think we should just ignore Baker's posts from now on. He's made it pretty clear he has some serious real life issues and it's pretty clear he's not going to change anytime soon. He and Anthony should just be permanently ignored because they just get us sidetracked with their issues." Exactly. 534. Benjamin Lowe posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (10) (2) Baker needs to be banned from this comment board 535. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have a strong feeling Johnson's left front will blow. You rarely see that, but Knaus is forcing him to go far too long on those tires. 536. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth wins the race off of pit road, with Johnson second, Logano third, Gordon fourth, and Bowyer fifth. 537. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) "As annoying as Johnson may be to you, I can't see how you can hate all of his success. As a driver/team combo, he's clearly the best." It's easy when most of his success has been linked to "gray area / >Couple that with the fact that Johnson is a boring arrogant a-hole, his crew chief is a egomaniacal dictator and his team owner is one of the shadiest team owners in the sport.... 538. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (4) (4) Come on, Mighty Matt Kenseth! 539. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmie Johnson lost the lead on pit road? We gotta get outta heah! Good thing Dish gave us a free iPad when we signed up for the Hoppah! 540. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There's NO WAY Johnson can go much further on his left side tires, right? 541. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson is gonna win with his 100 lap left side tires... 542. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As great as Gordon has been since Evernham left, his percentages in every category have fallen significantly." That's called: tapering off. It happens to every driver,and especially when there are changes in continuity. Johnson has never started a stock-car race,since his ASA days,without Ron Malec in his corner. 543. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Refuse To Lose Alert heating up. Evernham looked like a genius cause those cars were so good, and with Gordon behind the wheel, forget about it. 544. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) This is literally one of the least competitive cookie-cutter races in series history. 545. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon is up to fourth on this restart!!! 20 laps left! 546. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JOHNSON SPINS! 547. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson spins. 548. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy crap. This just changed the entire complexion of the race. 549. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) So much for Chad Knaus being the greatest crew chief in the sport. 550. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Jimmie goes around, helluva job by Joey not to plow right into him. Now we won't hear the end of it how Baker is upset because Jimmie didn't plow into a wall and explode.... 551. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson around!... No damage.... He's gonna get 4 tires and come back and win.... 552. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Presenting another "Jeff Gordon Never Say Die Moment Presented by NRF and DSFF"!?!?!?!?! 553. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) The most wreck-prone Cup champion in history does it again. 554. John Royal posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) And here you see it, put Jimmie in the middle of traffic with superior car and he falters. 555. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) That's why you don't go that long on left side tires. 556. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Assuming Johnson's okay... WWOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! 557. AveryNH posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe Johnson should try drifting? Post race should be interesting. 558. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't say I didn't see it coming. 559. Zackary Shawn posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Johnson just did what I do in NASCAR The Game: Inside Line all the time. Lead most of the race, then crash on late restart. 560. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now I'm predicting that Kyle Busch wins this race. 561. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Works for me. We can add this to "unforced driving errors costing him a sure win" to Jimmie's list. He just lost it, Joey never touched him. 562. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't understand why a crew chief would ask their driver to go half a race on the same left side tires when they were dominating and had time to take 4. That was a complete foolish decision. And Johnson's complaining about restarts again. 563. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (5) (4) KYLE PETTY 564. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ahahahahaha Joey Logano is my favorite driver for the rest of the week. 565. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Johnson blaming Kenseth for that. In the words of Nico, "PISS OFF, JOHNSON." 566. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Kyle Petty just totally dissed Jimmie Johnson and called him out on his whining over restarts. 567. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Awww, Johnson's all upset. He wants NASCAR to penalize the #20. 568. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) "KYLE PETTY" IS THE MAN 569. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey has been growing on me as of late! 570. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Johnson whining about restarts again.... Hey Jimmie. Just because you won 5 championships doesn't give you the right to decide how races are restarted. 571. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) Also folks, this is the FOURTH race in which I wrote "Piss off, Johnson!", and this is the FOURTH race in which it worked. I'm a bad @$$. 572. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) ""KYLE PETTY" IS THE MAN" Too bad he wasn't the man on the track. He sure knows how to call drivers out for someone who spent the last 10 years of his career just riding around. 573. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Like, did he ever stop to think that maybe he blew it on the restart because his left side tires were older than Mark Martin? 574. AveryNH posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRF is like three for three this year on cursing Johnson's run. Mighty impressive 575. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Why do so many hate Kyle Petty, or is it because they're noobs? 576. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, murb, I'm 4 for 4. Batting 1.000! 577. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Too bad he wasn't the man on the track. He sure knows how to call drivers out for someone who spent the last 10 years of his career just riding around." He won a bunch of races for Felix Sabates' shit box organization (most of them on tough tracks like Rockingham and Pocono). He was pretty damn good in my book. 578. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm pretty sure I just saw a legit 6 wide. 579. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn it! 580. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yikes, that was a 2010 era restart for Jeff. 581. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Holy freaking hell! Johnson is already up to 13th! Is this staged or something? 582. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And as for Kyle riding around for his last ten years, he was too focused on trying to right the rapidly sinking ship of Petty Enterprises. He was a good driver that faded late in his career because he was focused on other things. 583. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Jeff backed out to avoid Kyle Busch and Logano wrecking half the field on that restart 584. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McMurray 3rd!!! 585. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Fastest car right now... Jamie MacMary... I miss you Benny. 586. AveryNH posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Matt has this one all wrapped up. 587. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He won a bunch of races for Felix Sabates' shit box organization (most of them on tough tracks like Rockingham and Pocono). He was pretty damn good in my book." He was good, but he was far from great. He was more of a specialist than anything. But it's hard to deny that he was just riding around for about 10 years doing the Michael Waltrip. 588. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (6) Between Pocono, Michigan and now what he is doing right now you cannot tell me with a straight face that scum bag of a team is not running illegal cars. 589. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both guys I was hoping to see win -- Jeff Gordon or Kyle Busch -- got boned on that restart....*sigh* oh well, at least it's not Jimmie leading. #BlameJJ 590. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look at Jamie Mac! Going for second with five laps to go! 591. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But it's hard to deny that he was just riding around for about 10 years doing the Michael Waltrip." See comment 582. McMurray to 2nd!!! GO JAMIE!!!! 592. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) I will say with a straight face that that #48 team is cheating, but I will not go to your psychotic lengths! 593. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wait for Johnson's Bullet Bill. 594. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) C'mon, Jamie! 595. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nice job, Kenseth! 596. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Two of my favorite drivers finish first and second. Congrats to the 20 team on the win!!! 597. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie WILL win this year, mark my words. 598. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth wins for the fourth time this year! Gordon comes home in eighth. 599. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And as for Kyle riding around for his last ten years, he was too focused on trying to right the rapidly sinking ship of Petty Enterprises. He was a good driver that faded late in his career because he was focused on other things." Several drivers were heavily involved with team management and performed at a fairly high level. Ricky Rudd for a few years, Dale Earnhardt, Tony Stewart... 600. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Despite only 40% of the top 10 even being tolerable in my book, not a bad race. Last restart sucked though 601. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'll take a Kenseth win over a JJ win anyday, also great run by Jamie Mac in second. 602. Woodbridge posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 109. Woodbridge posted: 06.29.2013 - 7:37 pm My prediction: Matt Kenseth wins Soooo... I should've put money on this. 603. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was pulling for Jamie in the end, but congrats to Matt. That is 4 for him and those guys already. They might be the only hope against the 48 for the title this year, assuming TuRD gets their stuff together. 604. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Matt Kenseth looks like his 2006 self. So with about five laps to go, the NASCAR on TNT twitter account tweeted, "Tune in now to see the battle for first." ---- What battle for first??? Lol. 605. John Royal posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Gordon is fail, I can't watch his endeavors any more. 606. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it's time to be looking out for a Hendrick crew chief swap. Knaus' recent history of stupid decisions has to be wrecking the chemistry. While Johnson spun all on his own, it's really doubtful he would have if the tires weren't 100 laps old. 607. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Logano is up to 10th in points! Yeah baby!! 608. joey2448 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie Mac -- "I don't know what happened on that inside row on the retart." I can tell you what happened. Jeff Gordon happened. As a fan of the 24, it's soooo frustrating watching him on restarts! God damn! I love the guy, but he is just not gonna win races nowadays with the way he restarts! 609. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You kidding me, Kyle? You honestly think that it would have been a better show as a night race than a day race? 610. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Several drivers were heavily involved with team management and performed at a fairly high level. Ricky Rudd for a few years, Dale Earnhardt, Tony Stewart..." Rudd's team was good, DEI was good, Stewart gets help from Hendrick. Petty Enterprises was in a huge downturn in their last decade or so as a team. Another thing about that team and Kyle that can't be forgotten is that they invested their entire future into Adam, who of course was unfortunately killed. So I blame Kyle's horrible last ten years on Petty's downturn (and Kyle trying to fix it) and Adam's death. 611. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race proved everything that is wrong with NASCAR. Clean air>>>>>>>>>>>than anything else. I bet Jimmie would have still won on his ancient left sides had he not flubbed the restart and spun out. I give this race a 4.5/10. 612. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You'd be hard pressed to get a better show at Kentucky than today's race. 613. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait, are those upper grandstands PAINTED to look like people are in them? Those stands look very motionless, just like a painting. 614. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (10) (0) Kyle Petty's career went off the rails around '97 when Adam's career started and it became obvious how talented he was. All of Kyle's mental energies left his racing and went to Adam's. And when he lost Adam, he stayed around forever trying to keep Adam's name and number in the spotlight. But he was understandably devastated, and his mind was on the VJC. 615. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought this was a solid race for the most part. The first half was way better than the second half. Overall though, it was easily the best Kentucky Cup race so far. 616. Chives5150 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 4 Davids all finishing next to each other. 617. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also a good recovery for Earnhardt Jr. to finish 12th and even challenge for a top 10 late in the going. His car ran like junk after hitting the carcass early and it seemed like the best he could run was 18-20th. You have to wonder how he would have run had he not had that problem. His car certainly looked like a top 5 car. 618. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Wait, are those upper grandstands PAINTED to look like people are in them? Those stands look very motionless, just like a painting." Almost every track is now doing that. I find it more annoying than just seeing bare aluminum. "Overall though, it was easily the best Kentucky Cup race so far." Which isn't saying much. 619. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Petty Eterprises was almost invisible from the mid-80's on right? what was the result? I saw a video on youtube in 1989 it said he had $6.5 Million in winnings as a career, could that be a result? he didnt' have alot of money? 620. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Rudd's team was good, DEI was good, Stewart gets help from Hendrick. Petty Enterprises was in a huge downturn in their last decade or so as a team. Another thing about that team and Kyle that can't be forgotten is that they invested their entire future into Adam, who of course was unfortunately killed. So I blame Kyle's horrible last ten years on Petty's downturn (and Kyle trying to fix it) and Adam's death." "Kyle Petty's career went off the rails around '97 when Adam's career started and it became obvious how talented he was. All of Kyle's mental energies left his racing and went to Adam's. And when he lost Adam, he stayed around forever trying to keep Adam's name and number in the spotlight. But he was understandably devastated, and his mind was on the VJC." Rudd started his own team from scratch, as did Earnhardt (though I'm sure Childress helped him), so their teams being good were because of the work they put into them (though Rudd's fell off a lot after a few years). And Petty may have been down since the mid-80s, but don't forget that Kyle Petty had a decent year in 1997, his first year with Petty Enterprises (well, Kyle was Petty Enterprises 2 at the time), and the main Petty team had started turning it around in 1996. Hamilton won a race with them and Andretti won one 3 years later. I think they each had some top 10 points finishes or at least they were very close. Once Kyle moved his stuff to the main shop, he fell off the face of the NASCAR universe. Andretti performed far better than he did, year in, year out. Helping Adam start his career may have affected him, but again, other drivers have helped their sons come up through the ranks. Look at Kenseth with his son Ross now. I know the death of Adam was very hard on Petty, but he had already been performing very badly for a couple years before that point. 621. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Probably a good idea Jimmie left the track without giving an interview and pulling a Kyle Busch 622. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Did Jeff ever get caught cheating in the Evernham era? Didn't think so. 623. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I said how the race was going to be better than we expected you all laughed at me I said if I was right i'd talk about my stories and you'll have to listen, I said if I was wrong I wont talk about them... so was the race better than expected? and do you really honestly want me to talk about them? if the answer is "no, just shut the hell up" then I wont talk about them for a while 624. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Probably a good idea Jimmie left the track without giving an interview and pulling a Kyle Busch" Jerk. 625. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Uh, yes, Gordon did get caught cheating in the Evernham era. At least a couple of times, in fact. 626. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Good move by Johnson not to make a bunch of dumb comments in an interview. I hope he goes home, watches a replay, and REALIZES THAT HIS OLD ASS TIRES were why he blew that restart and why he ended up spinning like that. If you guys want to see some more racing today, the Rolex Sports Car Series is running at Watkins Glen right now on Speed. It's raining pretty hard, so it looks like an interesting race. 627. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Overall, I thought it was a pretty good race. It's just unbelievable how important clean air is on these types of tracks. My rating: 7.5/10 628. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) speaking of Rolex Sports Car what hapens if a GT1 wins the race instead of a DP1? 629. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) NLA, I'm agreeing to disagree with you. I think Kyle Petty is one of the most underrated drivers of the past 30 or so years in Nascar. Yeah, he was off for his last ten years, but you can't deny that he put up really good numbers with Felix Sabates' team, which was pretty crappy (Joe Nemechek, another underrated driver, couldn't do anything there, and neither could Sterling Marlin until Chip Ganassi came in and bought a portion of the team). 630. 18fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne had a fast car but had bad restarts all day and his car took a while to come in. He finally put himself in good position but he sped on the final pit stop. 631. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nothing happens if the GT car wins overall besides the DP drivers being a little humiliated because only class victories matter, not overall. 632. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kind of surprising that Danica Patrick has 4 straight lead lap finishes now. Of course, she has needed 4 lucky dogs to do so. She lost multiple laps in all the other 1.5 mile track races, even after getting lucky dogs in some of them. She's definitely improving, but it would be really hard to be any worse. A.J. Allmendinger finished 22nd in the Sponsor-Relations-R-Us Toyota and his average finish in that car is 21.0, 6 positions higher than Labonte's. While the team is not very good, it's looking more and more like Labonte was also the cause of a lot of their problems. Casey Mears is a driver who I have never though much of, but he's finished no worse than 23rd since Charlotte in May. The Penske association is really paying off for Germain Racing it seems. Scott Riggs parked after 6 laps. That's just pathetic. Ken Schrader finished 29th, his best finish all season. He picked up 14 spots from his last-place starting position. McMurray is now back to the top 20 in points. He could be a serious threat to win a couple of races and make the Chase. This was his first top 5 all season, but it seems like he's up there every week. Joey Logano is not racing like Penske's 2nd driver. He's in the top 10 in points after his great run and his stats look nearly identical to Keselowski's. I'm sure Keselowski will have a summer run again, but for now it's good to see his teammate running well and perhaps earning some respect. 633. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) NRF you need to save up your curse on Johnson for the chase if it comes to the 20 v 48 i am rooting for the 20 all the way.Also in fairness to Logano thats 6 top11 finishes at the moment the 22 team has more speed than the 2 634. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NLA, I'm agreeing to disagree with you. I think Kyle Petty is one of the most underrated drivers of the past 30 or so years in Nascar. Yeah, he was off for his last ten years, but you can't deny that he put up really good numbers with Felix Sabates' team, which was pretty crappy (Joe Nemechek, another underrated driver, couldn't do anything there, and neither could Sterling Marlin until Chip Ganassi came in and bought a portion of the team)." That's fair. I do think Kyle Petty was a good driver in his prime and he got more out of those SABCO cars in the early-to-mid 90s than most drivers would have (but I do think SABCO in the mid-90s was better than in the late 90s). But aside from having a few more wins at tougher tracks, his career on average doesn't differ from Michael Waltrip's all that much. 635. Eric posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Matt is tied with Rex White in career cup wins. Matt is only 2 wins away from joining the 30 win club. 636. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A.J. Allmendinger finished 22nd in the Sponsor-Relations-R-Us Toyota and his average finish in that car is 21.0, 6 positions higher than Labonte's. While the team is not very good, it's looking more and more like Labonte was also the cause of a lot of their problems." I can't do basic math... that should be 20.5 637. 18fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger had a top 15 run going but he got caught on pit road when a caution came out. 638. MStall41 posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Gen 6 clearly races better than the Gen 5 and is perhaps even with the Gen 4 in traffic. But clean air is still a big issue as evidenced today. If they could JUST figure out the clean air problem I honestly think the Gen 6 could provide incredible 1.5 miler racing. Better tires would help too. As for the race, pretty decent. 7/10. Anyone who is saying the race was horrible and whatnot are probably just butthurt over Johnson's domination or Kenseth's win. 639. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AJ Allmendinger absolutely deserves a full time Cup ride. Earlier this year when I heard that he would be going back to run some Indy Car races, I thought it might be best if he just did that full time. While he ran strong at some points (like in the Indy 500 before he had his problems), he just seemed a little too reckless. Meanwhile, he's been completely solid all year in Nascar. So I've changed my tune on him. I'd rather see him be a full time Nascar driver again than see him go to Indy Car full time and become a Bourdais-esque "former open wheeler who came back and just can't stop crashing". He's got that relationship with Penske, so hopefully that will play into him getting a full time ride in Cup next year, whether it's a third car for Penske or even a ride with another Ford team like perhaps the 9 for RPM (if Ambrose leaves, which seems kind of likely). 640. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Something else that came to my mind and I just confirmed: There hasn't been a green-white-checkered in nearly two months, since Talladega in early May. Given that next week's race is at Daytona, I'm probably jinxing it though. 641. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Well, I don't know exactly which poster it was that I was helping list the races that Jimmie Johnson has absolutely given away, but add this one to the list. In fact, the #48 team has flat-out given away three wins over the past 5-6 weeks. Jimmie gave away this race, as well as the one at Dover (both on restarts) and Chad Knaus gave away the race at Michigan, admitting so afterwards. I've said it before and I'll say it again. For a driver that's supposed to be one of the best ever, Jimmie Johnson sure does makes a LOT of unforced mistakes, thus giving away races, and he did it again today. To me, the biggest thing that may keep Jimmie Johnson from ever being in that first-echelon of drivers in the sport's history is his tendency to throw sure wins away by making unforced errors, and he made another one today. Guys like Petty, Gordon, Allison, Dale, Sr. don't make these mistakes, and Jimmie makes them way too often for someone that's supposed to be as great as he is. As for the point about Jeff Gordon on restarts. Sure he doesn't do well on restarts because he's never really liked being in groups of cars with more aggressive drivers around him, but on the last restart, Kyle Busch, who started in front of Gordon, also got a terrible restart and Gordon actually tried to make a move on him and got bogged down. Joey Logano said it best in his post-race interview when he noted just what a big advantage the outside was on restarts. He knew that if the caution had come out, that he would have been no worse than second because of his position, which would have been right behind the leader. But Gordon's at the point in his career that he just won't take chances, which is why he's not very good on restarts, but he wasn't the problem on the last one. And I'm glad someone on the broadcast took Johnson to task on his comments about Matt Kenseth, and the TNT races aren't the best time of year to be doing that, because they actually have guys in the booth that will call him out on that in Kyle Petty and Wally Dallenbach, Jr. Larry McReynolds and Darrell Waltrip wouldn't do that on the FOX telecasts, and neither would Dale Jarrett or Andy Petree, though Rusty might have something to say, even he wouldn't be as frank as Kyle and Wally are. And remember my comments last week on who would be the likeliest driver to break into the Chase should Brad Keselowski falter? Well, guess who's in 10th in the points now? Joey Logano, the very driver I said had the best chance to break in, though I didn't think it would be in the very next race. I stated that because, unlike the others who were on the outside, Logano has the speed that Gordon and Menard (who's pretty much out of it now) don't have. Kurt Busch has the speed, but not the manpower behind him, which is why I don't think he has much of a chance. Of those outside the top 10 that can get back in, only four have any realistic chance of getting back in, Kahne, Gordon, Keselowski, and Stewart (currently 16th and needing to rebound himself). In other words, I think it's 14 drivers for 12 spots now, unless something really unusual happens. But with Daytona up next, something unusual could happen to throw the battle to get into the Chase upside down. 642. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congrats to Matt Kenseth on his 4th victory of the year, which means he would have the points lead if the Chase were to start right now thanks to his 12 bonus points. I had a gut feeling he would win today when TNT showed that graphic showing where Kenseth had finished in the four previous 1.5-mile tracks this season (1st, 12th, 1st, 15th), and he managed to continue the alternating wins pattern today. Jamie McMurray gets his first top five finish since the night race at Bristol back in 2011. I was pulling for him once Gordon completely flopped on that last restart, and that battle that he had with Bowyer for 2nd place was pretty fun to watch. I'd love to see both EGR cars win a race this year, but especially McMurray because he's too talented to go three years in a row without winning a race. Daytona is coming up next week, a track at which McMurray has won twice before, so maybe he can complete the hat trick next Saturday night. I could tell from watching him race all day long that Joey Logano really wanted to win this race, especially in the closing laps when he made not one, but two bold moves on restarts to overtake Hendrick cars. The end result is a 4th place finish and a spot in the top ten in points. Nice job by he and his team on a job well done. While his 6th place finish will unfortunately be overshadowed by that unsuccessful attempt to pass on the apron early in the race, Kurt Busch did a nice job of bringing home a solid finish to move up to the top 15 in points, just 16 points outside the top ten. This was his 8th top 15 finish in the last ten races. That's pretty darn good for an RCR team, let alone an FRR team. Although he lost five positions on that last restart, the fact that Jeff Gordon managed to finish 8th (the highest finishing Hendrick car) after getting caught a lap down twice by inconvenient caution flags during pit stop cycles is pretty impressive. It looks like he'll have to wait another year before trying to cross Kentucky Speedway as the only track that he has not won at during his Cup career. Jimmie Johnson leads 182 laps, spins himself out on a late restart, blames Matt Kenseth (the leader) for bringing up to the green flag very slowly, manages to rally back to a respectable 9th place finish, and then turns down TNT's request for an interview. That's your 5-time champion, ladies and gentlemen. And he wonders why people don't like him. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. had a car that could have contended for the win in the early stages of the race, but a runaway tire casing from Denny Hamlin's car damaged the right front of his car and he was never the same after that. Still, he managed to bring home a respectable 12th place finish and has a 34-point cushion over 11th place in the points, so it could have been worse. Wow, did Marcos Ambrose fade over the final 17 laps or what? He was running in 3rd after taking advantage of Gordon's bad restart, but quickly faded to the back end of the top ten in a matter of laps, was passed by Jimmie Johnson who restarted at the back of the field, and finished 13th. Yikes! Casey Mears brings home a solid 18th place finish. After finishing 16th at Sonoma, this marks the first time in 11 races that Mears gets back-to-back top 20 finishes after his early season good luck went away following a bad run at Texas. I think it's a damn shame that AJ Allmendinger didn't at least get a top 20 finish out of this race after he had been running inside the top 15 for a good portion of the day. Unfortunately, luck was not on his side at the end as he pitted one lap before Brian Vickers hit the wall to bring out a caution. That being said, he still had a solid day and is just what that #47 team needs right now to bring home consistent solid finishes. I'll always be a big fan of Bobby Labonte and I hate that his consecutive starts streak had to end this way, but it looks like JTG Daugherty Racing made the right decision to put Dinger in the car for a few races. I wouldn't expect Labonte to go to Trucks next season like a few of you have suggested (Believe it or not, even the nicest Cup drivers have egos that would prevent them from accepting anything less that a Cup ride.), but this may be the last full-time season he runs in NASCAR. While his finishes haven't been very noticeable as of late, David Stremme picks up his 2nd lead lap finish of the season (and the first on a track shorter than 2.5 miles long), and had completed all but two laps over the past four races. I think that #30 team is finally coming around, and provided that they stay out of trouble at Daytona, I wouldn't be surprised if Stremme brings home another lead lap finish next weekend either. Oh Brad Keselowski, where art thou? Seven top ten finishes in the first 8 races, but just one top ten finish in the last 9 races, including four consecutive non-top ten finishes. As a result, he drops out of the top ten in points for the first time since Dover last spring. Without a win, Brad needs to either find a way to finish races or sneak out a victory soon if he wants to make this Chase. Excluding Alan Kulwicki, the lowest that a defending champion has finished in the points the following season in the modern era is 12th, which was Dale Earnhardt back in 1992. Brad is currently 13th in points. It's put up or shut up time now for the #2 team, and judging by the fact that Brad's mouth has made more noise that his driving has lately, I'd prefer to see at least the latter happen. And just because he's Kenny Schrader, I've gotta give him a shout out. Schrader picks up his first top 29 intermediate track finish since Darlington back in 2011, and his first top 29 finish on a 1.5-mile track since Las Vegas back in 2008! Nice job Kenny! 643. 83andJoe posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #1 sponsor: Hellmann's Centennial #7 sponsor: Tommy Baldwin Racing (was a plain black car as far as I could tell) #19 sponsor: Humphrey Smith Racing #44 sponsor: No Label Watches #7 status: handling #33 status: handling 644. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @622, yes. At Charlotte '95 the 24 car was caught with illegal wheel hubs that landed Evernham a tehn record shattering fine. But no points for some odd reason. Mark got a 46 point fine in 1990 for a confusing carb issue, but Hendrick got no points taken away. Rick has had NASCAR in his pocket for a long time. That just shows how luck usualy evens itself out. Dale beat Mark in 1990 by just 26 points, and lost to Jeff in '95 by 34 points. What if Jeff got a 46 point penalty in '95? Oh well, the right team won each year. In 1990, Dale pulled the trifecta with the most wins, most laps led and *gasp* most poles (!!!) while Jeff did likewise in '95. 645. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Gen 6 clearly races better than the Gen 5 and is perhaps even with the Gen 4 in traffic. But clean air is still a big issue as evidenced today. If they could JUST figure out the clean air problem I honestly think the Gen 6 could provide incredible 1.5 miler racing. Better tires would help too." Higher drag on the cars would help out a ton with the obscene aero advantage while leading. Maybe even stop letting teams be able to seal the front ends of their cars to the track would help out too. 646. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, could it be that the Hendrick cars all had a gear ratio that would make them all slow on restarts? Gordon being slow on restarts is one thing, because that's been the norm, but Johnson losing the race with a slow restart, which he compounded with a spin, and Kahne not getting good restarts may be more telling about the gear ratio Hendrick was running on his cars, which may have made all of them slow on restarts today. And Schroeder51, Gordon was only caught cheating once when Ray Evernham was his crew chief (the hub and wheel fiasco at the 1995 Coca-Cola 600), and ironically that episode did more damage to that team during he race than the penalty did a few days later. 647. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yes, restarts are Jeff's Kryptonite and have been for a long time. 648. Sky Warrior posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "#7 status: handling" No, the #7 was in the same wreck as Keselowski, Biffle, Kvapil, Menard and others. Got sandwiched in between the #16 and #93 I think 649. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, I don't know exactly which poster it was that I was helping list the races that Jimmie Johnson has absolutely given away, but add this one to the list." I really think Chad Knaus is to blame for this. Why in the world would he think it's a good idea to leave Johnson out there with such ancient left side tires? They were over 100 laps old, and there were a few tire issues earlier in the race. Johnson spun all on his own, but does anyone really think he would have spun with a reasonable set of tires? Chad Knaus has been making a series of dumbfounded calls for the past month and this one is just the latest. The TNT guys even called him out the first time they took two, and instead of correcting their mistake on the next stop, they did the same thing. I really don't understand what Johnson was trying to blame Kenseth for though, that was all because the tires had zero grip left after they were used for several restarts. 650. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""#7 status: handling" No, the #7 was in the same wreck as Keselowski, Biffle, Kvapil, Menard and others. Got sandwiched in between the #16 and #93 I think" He was in the wreck, but he logged a few more laps afterwards to finish ahead of Kvapil and the start-and-park specialist Mike Bliss and then pulled it back in. 651. Rusty posted: 06.30.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm glad some of you are starting to see that Bobby Labonte just doesn't have it anymore. He had a great run in his day and it sucked to see his streak of consecutive races end at 704, but he is really just wasting a seat that can be taken by someone with promise at this point. I'd rather take a chance on a driver with some upside than a has been who you know will just ride around in 25th-30th every week. Bobby either needs to run a part time schedule or go racing in a lower series because I don't think he deserves a full time Cup ride anymore. I honestly see JTG shifting more and more towards Allmendinger the rest of the year and even offer him the ride full time in 2014. 652. 18fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, Kahne has gotten terrible restarts all year, plus Gordon and Junior have been horrible on restarts for a while now. It could be a gear ratio thing, but it also could be a coincidence that those three drivers that are terrible on restarts happen to all drive for Hendrick. 653. MStall41 posted: 06.30.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @TS1420 Those two things you listed are EXACTLY what would help continue to improve the product. I think fans just have to be patient. The improvement is happening at a glacial pace, but I am seeing some good things that indicate real improvement. 654. ch posted: 06.30.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Changes: 7 - Tommy Baldwin Racing 19 - Humphrey Smith Racing 30 - Lean 1 Healthy Performance Shakes 33 - Circle Sport 44 - No Label Watches 51 - Phoenix Construction / Alsco 655. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't care which series Allmendinger races in next season as long as it's full-time. If JTG Daugherty Racing hires him to drive their car next season, I guarantee you he'll finish top 20 in points. If RPM comes knocking on his door once again (perhaps at Penske's request), I think AJ gives them a better chance to win and make the Chase than either Almirola or Ambrose. And if Penske were to offer AJ to drive his Nationwide car full-time in 2014, I think AJ wins the championship. I think he'll be successful no matter which series he drives in, but it needs to be full-time (Which it will be, as his consistent solid runs in both Cup and Nationwide will be too much for an owner to pass up.). I wouldn't be surprised if JTG Daugherty gives AJ a few more races this season based on his recent performance with them. 656. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, when multiple drivers on the same team have the same problem, which in this case is restarts, it's almost certain that it has something to do with the way the car (or transmission, in this case) is set up by the teams. Another thing that could be affecting the HMS drivers on restarts where the gear ratio is concerned is the shift point between third and high gear. If that point is at a certain point in the track, it could slow them down enough to make it look worse for the driver than it actually is. But another factor in today's race was the obvious advantage the outside lane had, as mentioned by Joey Logano in his post-race interview. He basically said that, had there been another caution, the worst he would have been would have been second to Matt Kenseth because of the advantage the outside lane had. Everyone mentions that Jeff Gordon had a bad restart on the final one, but Kyle Busch had a bad restart that time, but nobody mentions anything about that. Kyle was, like Jeff, stuck on the slower inside line, which is why he dropped back so much and could only get back to fifth himself. And as for DSFF's point about Gordon, one thing that has really hurt him on restarts in recent years is the double-file restart, especially at wide tracks. Gordon is one of those drivers that, if he's got cars on both sides of him, he'll just back off and let them go by and try to get back by them later. That doesn't figure to be a problem for him in the next few races because of the restrictor plates at Daytona and the narrow racing grooves at Loudon and Indy, so he doesn't figure to lose nearly as much on restarts there as he would at places like Michigan, Kentucky, Texas, and other tracks with wide racing grooves, simply because he won't take chances on restarts that other drivers will. 657. Rusty posted: 06.30.2013 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Running full time in Nationwide may actually be the best route for AJ. But I'm not sure it will be with Penske unless they find a sponsor for Hornish to return to Cup. Becaus you know Brad and Joey will be running the #22 again. 658. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (7) (8) Breaking news: Frank Kimmel has tied Iggy Katona's ARCA win record today at Winchester Speedway in Indiana! 659. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) What the hell is so bad about saying racing history has been made that THREE different trolls thumbs downed my comment? 660. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) This site should get rid of the thumbs up and thumbs down option all together. Either that or make it so you are able to see which posters gave the thumb. 661. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I gave you a thumbs up on all 3 of your post that were given a thumbs down to make up for it Nico. First 3 uses of thumbs for me. 662. Silence Dogood posted: 06.30.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (11) Wow, one mediocre race and now Allmendinger is doing so much better than Labonte. COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLS**T. Get your heads out of your rears people. You're all just as fickle and bandwagon-loving as the damn media and talking heads. Allmendinger is second-rate talent and JTG is third-world equipment. 663. Schroeder51 posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll admit I hit the thumbs down on Nico's post by complete accident. I was scrolling down to see the comment and accidentally clicked on the thumbs down when my mouse passed over it. It's pretty easy to accidentally do that, I'll admit. My bad. As for the other two...Maybe there are hardcore Iggy Katona fans out there on this site, I don't know. 664. TS1420 posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BTW what the hell happened to Carl Edwards? He seemed to be in the top ten for most of the race and ended up finishing behind Smoke who was garbage all race long. 665. ch posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) "Wow, one mediocre race and now Allmendinger is doing so much better than Labonte. COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLS**T. Get your heads out of your rears people. You're all just as fickle and bandwagon-loving as the damn media and talking heads. Allmendinger is second-rate talent and JTG is third-world equipment." Did you even watch the race? He ran top 15 ALL DAY in "third-world equipment." That is impressive, and I don't see how you can belittle it! 666. 18fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I don't know what happened to the 99 car, but he never moved once he fell back into the teens and 20s while guys like Gordon and Kahne kept getting put deep in the field and coming back toward the front. 667. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will say I think JTG had the fix in for Bobby, but even Marcos couldn't much better than this and he's got a similar amount of talent as A.J. 668. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) While it's pretty ridiculous how some positive or neutral comments get thumbed down, who honestly even cares about them? They're pointless because there's no accountability, anytime I've seen a thumbs up system before besides YouTube, it lists the users who thumbs it up or down. 669. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Hey, Silence Dogood, take your own advice. Silence do good. #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 670. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I should clarify that I expect to be thumbs down from time to time when I do my "Piss off, Johnson" posts followed by "I have the power!!!" (although I do have the 'power'), but that one just galls me because there is nothing offensive about it. Thanks, Schroeder and Baker 671. New14 & 88Fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I'm with NLA, who really gives a hill of beans if your comment gets thumbed up or down. 672. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "At Charlotte '95 the 24 car was caught with illegal wheel hubs that landed Evernham a tehn record shattering fine." It wasn't record shattering because Ricky Rudd was fined $50,000 for an illegal hydraulic lift in the rear end of his car that season. Evernham was fined $60,000,and no points taken because there was absolutely no advantage. They fined them and took no points because it was so dangerous and could have caused bigger problems had Jeff crashed in traffic because of the wheel hub. 673. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) "Oh well, the right team won each year. In 1990, Dale pulled the trifecta with the most wins, most laps led and *gasp* most poles (!!!) while Jeff did likewise in '95." Jeff also pulled off the trifecta in 1996,1999,and 2001. I'm going to refer to the #48 as "the great beast" from now on. He continues to prove to me and other posters that he doesn't compare to Jeff Gordon,at least in mistake free driving terms,and today's mistake was just stupid. Johnson absolutely knew it and tried pin the blame on anything but his smashed ego. Gordon threw away,according to DSFF,just 2 races in the 706 races he's run. Johnson has thrown away that many in the last month. 674. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @649, Chad Knaus knew that the only chance he and his team had of winning when that final caution came out was to take on just right side tires. Had he taken four tires, Johnson would have lined up about 12th because of all those that changed just two tires. He still would not have won had he taken four tires. Ironically, had it not been for Matt Kenseth's gas-and-go on that final caution, Johnson would not have been stuck on the inside lane because he, and not Kenseth would have been leading, and he would have sped away like he did all day. But there's something else at work here that I think some of the teams are realizing. If they can get ahead of Jimmie Johnson on the track, they feel that there's a chance that Johnson will screw up trying to catch them, and unlike Johnson, Matt Kenseth seldomly makes errors. When Jamie McMurray got into second with a faster car in the closing laps, Kenseth knew that McMurray couldn't catch him at the rate they were going, so instead of pushing it, he just kept the same pace and won the race. And by the way, Jeff Gordon does not make that same mistake that Johnson made, and honestly, nor does any other top driver today. That's why I say, I don't think I've ever seen a driver of Jimmie's caliber make so many mistakes in all the years I've watched the sport. There's a reason why Jimmie would have a hard time winning a championship if points for all 36 races counted the same, and I think it's been on display the last six races. Jimmie's too mistake-prone, and drivers like Kenseth, Gordon, and other consistent drivers would just wait for him to make the mistakes he makes and then pounce on that opportunity. In the last four oval races, Johnson should have no worse than three wins and a second place finish. Instead, he has one win and other finishes of ninth, 17th, and 28th, mainly by making mistakes. At Dover, he made a terrible mistake on a restart, at Michigan, he should have just settled for second place because he was never going to catch Greg Biffle, and at Kentucky today, he would still have won the race if he didn't drive too hard entering turn one on that restart when he spun. I believe guys like Kenseth and Gordon would have Johnson for lunch in a full-season championship battle, because they don't make the mistakes that Johnson continues to make. 675. Baker posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, there are a lot of drivers that would have Johnson for lunch if they were also the lead dog at Hendrick. Johnson has the best of everything he can ask for in the business and he still blows races like today, and dover. 676. 18fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Chad's bad call was on the second to last pit stop when only Jimmie and Vickers changed two tires when everyone else changed 4. Two tires was definitely the right call on the last stop, it was the second to last stop where Chad mad the questionable call. 677. Sector posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only 4 drivers after today has finished in the top 10 in every Kentucky race thus far. Kyle Busch, Matt Kenseth, Jimmie Johnson & Jeff Gordon. 678. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But 18fan, do you think the reason they went with two tires on that pit stop was the same reason that Kenseth went with a gas-and-go on the final one, which is that they wanted to be sure of being on the outside on the restart? As important as track position was, being on the outside on the restarts was even more important, as evidenced by Johnson's spin and Kyle Busch's early race spin, because he was on the inside when that happened. If you were on the third or even fourth row outside, you were not any worse off than the guy LEADING the inside row. Call me crazy, but something seems wrong about that. 679. 18fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe, but I think they could've won the race off pit road since everybody else was taking 4. 680. NicoRosbergFan posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To extend something that's been said consider this: to win just one title without the Chase, a driver must show 'greatness' for more races than Jimmie has had to show 'greatness' to win THREE of his titles. In fact, Gordon has had to put together more 'greatness' for his FOUR titles than Stewart and Johnson for their combined EIGHT titles. 681. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The ten greatest Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson seasons: -1. Jeff Gordon's 1998 -2. Jeff Gordon's 1997 -3. Jeff Gordon's 1996 (Darlington sweep,Dover 500 mile race sweep and a short-track grand slam.)) -4. Jeff Gordon's 2007 (3 separate streaks of 10 consecutive+ Top 12 finishes.) -5. Jimmie Johnson's 2007 (He swept Atlanta,Martinsville and Richmond.) -6. Jeff Gordon's 1995 -7. Jeff Gordon's 2001 (He led the league in wins,races led most,poles,laps led,avg. finish,Top 5's,Top 10's and average start. only Richard Petty in 1967 and 1971 and Cale Yarborough in 1978 have also done that. -8. Jimmie Johnson's 2010 (His most complete season with short-track,road-course,superspeedway and flat-track wins.) -9. Jeff Gordon's 1999 (He led the league in wins,races led most,poles,laps led and won the Daytona 500,swept the road-courses and won his first two races without Evernham.) 10. Jimmie Johnson's 2004 (He swept Darlington,Pocono and Charlotte.) 682. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Number of comments I made on this race last year: 14 Number of comments I made on this race this year: 61 (including this one) and counting Just saw this comment on a video of Jimmie Johnson's spin (which was totally NOT Logano's fault) "damnit he should've gotten wrecked, barreled rolled and injured enough to have to sit out a few races and miss the chase. Maybe next week. ;'(" Good grief. 683. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Wish they had double file restarts during Dale's career. And I really wish we could put the 1986 Dale Earnhardt in today's field to do some restarts against JJ. There wouldn't be enough crying towels in the world for Nap Time. Also, I have a problem with Jimmie not giving an interview. When he wins, he smiles for the camera and takes shots at his haters. So when he totally shits the bed like he did today, he should let us revel in his disappointment. It is only fair. 684. 83andJoe posted: 06.30.2013 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) >""#7 status: handling" >No, the #7 was in the same wreck as Keselowski, Biffle, Kvapil, Menard and others. Got sandwiched in between the #16 and #93 I think" >He was in the wreck, but he logged a few more laps afterwards to finish ahead of Kvapil and the start-and-park specialist Mike Bliss and then pulled it back in. Exactly. It used to be, back in the 90s at least, that a car that was patched together in the garage then came back out - even if it only completed one more lap - was /always/ status-listed as "handling" - since, after all, the actual accident didn't knock it out of the race. Now it's always "crash" no matter how many laps they run before they pull in, which is /technically/ accurate but highly misleading in cases like, in this race, Landon Cassill's running 57 laps after repairs before parking. 685. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was Jimmie Johnson's 55th career dominated race. DSFF will you make me the Big E "race give away" list please! and throw in the Jimmie Johnson list too? 686. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just saw that Racing Reference went online in June of 2003. Happy tenth birthday, RR!! Top five gainers in the last 10% of this race (27 laps): 1. Kurt Busch, +8 2. Jamie McMurray, +7 3. Martin Truex, Jr., +6 4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr., +6 5. Aric Almirola, +6 Bottom five: 5. Jeff Burton, -4 4. Kasey Kahne, -6 3. Jimmie Johnson, -8 2. Carl Edwards, -11 1. Brian Vickers, -23 687. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "@649, Chad Knaus knew that the only chance he and his team had of winning when that final caution came out was to take on just right side tires." I understand that, but I don't understand what Chad was thinking by taking no tires the previous pit stop. Did he really expect those tires to last half the race? Restarts especially wear away at the rear tires. Johnson wouldn't have had any problems if the race stayed green from the time they took none, but Knaus had to have known there would be another caution. "And by the way, Jeff Gordon does not make that same mistake that Johnson made, and honestly, nor does any other top driver today. That's why I say, I don't think I've ever seen a driver of Jimmie's caliber make so many mistakes in all the years I've watched the sport." I disagree. The tires were over 100 laps old, and we've seen tires go early in runs many times. They're lucky one of them didn't blow and that Johnson was able to not get damaged. I'm not sure if many drivers would have made it work on that restart, Johnson took his normal line and it just turned around on him. I don't know what Knaus was thinking, or IF he was thinking at all. Even if Johnson lost a couple of positions on that next to last pit cycle, Johnson would have regained them on the track. They were certainly not in a position where they needed to take risks, that's what cars at the end of the lead lap do when they have nothing to lose, like Vickers. "I believe guys like Kenseth and Gordon would have Johnson for lunch in a full-season championship battle, because they don't make the mistakes that Johnson continues to make." Nice theory, but stats don't support it. Since Kenseth's 2003 championship, Gordon's beat Johnson by regular points in 2004 and 2007, but Kenseth has not beaten Johnson in a single season since. Even today when Johnson lost a sure win, he came back and finishes 9th, that's what championship drivers and teams do. "cjs, there are a lot of drivers that would have Johnson for lunch if they were also the lead dog at Hendrick. Johnson has the best of everything he can ask for in the business and he still blows races like today, and dover." That's laughable. Johnson came in to Cup with Hendrick in 2002 and he was pretty much even with the defending champion Gordon even as a rookie. He was certainly not the "lead dog" as a rookie, running with Gordon's reject cars and a crew chief hired straight from a 33rd place points finishing Melling team. 688. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want to see a top 10 list of the best seasons I want to know where 2011 stands...its definatley in the top 3 689. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Exactly. It used to be, back in the 90s at least, that a car that was patched together in the garage then came back out - even if it only completed one more lap - was /always/ status-listed as "handling" - since, after all, the actual accident didn't knock it out of the race. Now it's always "crash" no matter how many laps they run before they pull in, which is /technically/ accurate but highly misleading in cases like, in this race, Landon Cassill's running 57 laps after repairs before parking." I honestly wasn't aware that they had changed things lol, thanks for pointing it out. I've always thought if a car was in fixable condition and they went out and ran more laps before voluntarily pulling it in, it should be listed differently than "crash." 690. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Newman said in an interview that while he does want to join RCR next year due to Childress' interest in signing him, he wants to go somewhere where he's wanted and seems hesitant to sign with RCR because he doesn't want to have attention to his team diverted because of having Austin Dillon for a teammate. Also, apparently there was a rumor in the garage area that Carl Edwards would be leaving Roush for Penske next season, with sponsorship from Quicken Loans (Ryan Newman's current sponsor). Roger Penske shot that rumor down today, basically saying that if anyone is getting that 3rd Cup car, it's gonna be Sam Hornish, Jr. No mention of AJ Allmendinger in the article, which I think only adds questions in regards to his future at Penske. 691. jabber1990 posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) um. I thought Carl had a number of years left at Roush. as a matter of fact there is a rumor/legend has it that Ford and Roush spent everything they had into keeping Carl that that is one of the many reasons why Kenseth left, they nad nothing left to offer him 692. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I never thought I'd say it DSFF, but Jimmie Johnson is turning into Kyle Busch right in front of our eyes. Jimmie Johnson's reactions after these restart problems he's had, as well as giving away wins, is something you'd normally see out of Kyle Busch, and now he's not granting interviews after this choke job? Though it's not readily apparent with his on-track performance, could his demeanor be the aftereffects of Jimmie blowing the championship last year? And how often has Jeff Gordon no granted an interview after something like this? If my memory serves me correctly, the answer is very seldom, if at all, and Richard Petty never once refused an interview. Something does seem to be going on with Johnson and the #48 team right now, and it's not performance, but rather attitude, because I don't recall Johnson ever acting this way before. I think Mr. Hendrick is going to have a little chat with Jimmie to discuss this matter of not granting that interview, because I suspect that he's not happy about that. And by the way, the bad luck that has plagued much of Jeff Gordon's last two seasons apparently now belongs to Dale, Jr., because what happened to him today was right out of the Twilight Zone, with the part of Denny Hamlin's tire hitting Dale, Jr.'s car the way it did and knocked him out of the lead, and of course, Dale, Jr. having engine failure while leading at Michigan, so some of Gordon's luck appears to have found it's way to Dale, Jr. Granted Gordon had his share of misfortune today, but at least this time, it wasn't anything out of the ordinary, while what happened to Dale, Jr. may have been the most bizarre thing to happen to anybody this year. 693. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) If we're comparing drivers to Kyle Busch now, let's not forget that Jeff Gordon pulled one of the stupidest and most reckless moves in NASCAR history last year when he took a destroyed car back onto the track just to intentionally wreck Clint Bowyer, right in front of championship leader Brad Keselowski. Somehow he didn't get suspended like Kyle Busch did... 694. 83andJoe posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) ^ Because he didn't do it under caution... Anyway, been working on my points system. Completed results for the first five races of this year so far, and here's the standings then: 1. Dale Earnhardt Jr 882 (reality: 1st) 2. Brad Keselowski 824 (2) 3. Jimmie Johnson 791 (3) 4. Kyle Busch 779 (6) 5. Carl Edwards 725 (4) 6. Kasey Kahne 713 (7) 7. Matt Kenseth 606 (11) 8. Greg Biffle 516 (5) 9. Kurt Busch 499 (13) 1. Joey Logano 481 (9) (Menard 13th (9), Hamlin 11th (10)) 695. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) "^ Because he didn't do it under caution..." So it's all right to play demolition derby in a NASCAR race with major championship implications as long as it doesn't happen under caution? 696. Mr X posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jeff Gordon also wasn't already on probation at the time. 697. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, apparently there was a rumor in the garage area that Carl Edwards would be leaving Roush for Penske next season, with sponsorship from Quicken Loans (Ryan Newman's current sponsor)." I saw that too, and it makes absolutely no sense to me. Carl seems really happy to be working with Jimmy Fenning this year, and he's obviously been good on the track all year for the most part. So I doubt that he would want to leave his current situation. But then again, you never know with Carl, since he's been known in the past to act one way and portray himself another. "I never thought I'd say it DSFF, but Jimmie Johnson is turning into Kyle Busch right in front of our eyes." He really has been for the last couple of years I've noticed, but this year has been especially bad. First there was the "haters" rant after he won the All Star Race (why not just brush off the "haters" and go celebrate with your family and team?). And also, every single time he himself has blown a restart or something this year, it's always been someone else's fault. It was ridiculous when he blamed Montoya for the restart deal at Dover, and I thought it was absolutely ridiculous how he blamed Kenseth for the restart today, not even taking the fact that HIS TIRES WERE OLDER THAN SHIT into consideration. "Somehow he didn't get suspended like Kyle Busch did..." Kyle had been doing/initiating stupid stuff all year in 2011 (the 128 mile per hour speeding ticket, the Harvick incident at Darlington, the fight with Childress in the Truck garage), while Gordon's on track actions record was and has pretty much always been clean. I agree that Gordon's move on Bowyer was total bullshit and that he should have had bigger consequences than what he got, but he didn't get suspended because of his clean record. 698. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) He never said what Gordon did at Phoenix last fall was okay, just that what Kyle did at Texas two years ago was worse. Neither move was acceptable or very smart by either driver, but I agree with 83andJoe that it's worse to wreck someone intentionally under caution than under green. 699. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its hard for me to think of the Dale "threw away" list because my memories don't really kick in clearly until right about the time he quit being a week in, week out contender when Jeff took his place. I remember watching him and enjoying watxhing him win races and championships, but not really understanding racing fully. I was only 10 when he won his last Winston Cup. I guess the two that come to mind immediately are the '91 Daytona 500 and the '93 Winston 500 when he was in the lead on late restarts with Ernie in 2nd, and both times Dale got out to way too big of a lead for a plate track, and both times Ernie had his lunch. But I'm not sure I'd call that an "unforced" error in either case cause Dale vs Ernie on the plate races from '91-'94 were no joke. The other one is the infamous '86 Richmond race. He led 299 laps, and had he just slowed down a tick on the backstretch then punted Darrell in Turn 3 instead of pulling a dick move and turning him head on wrecking himself, Darrell, Bodine, Ruttman, and a 15 year old Jeff Gordon (with his recent luck, even Rainbow Nation has to admit that was funny) he would have won. But again, that wasn't really "unforced" cause Darrell was pushing him. I'll have to research this. I do know he has the record, by a large margain, of most times being passed on the last lap, not winning after taking the white flag in first. 700. murb posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think two other things that contributed to Kyle being suspended were the fact that it was under caution (as a couple of the guys have mentioned), and the fact that he was a Cup driver doing it to a Truck regular in a Truck race. 701. Paul posted: 06.30.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Besides, had Gordon been suspended, we wouldn't have been able to witness that epic win the next weekend at Homestead, which was a vintage Jeff Gordon win with everybody rooting against him except for his most loyal fans. That was pretty cool, along with the fact that Brad got Roger Penske his first Cup championship. I just wish Gordon would be the bad guy more often, because as he's turned into somewhat of a pushover nowadays (especially on restarts) because he doesn't stand up for himself as much as he probably should. 702. cjs3872 posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NLA, my overriding point was that Jimmie Johnson is seemingly taking on Kyle Busch's attitude with every passing week, so I'm referring more to what happens off the track rather than on it. From that standpoint, Jimmie's starting to look like Kyle Busch more and more, and not granting the interview today is another thing that's reminiscent of Kyle Busch. Saying that, he's also blowing races like Kyle has in recent years. And you also stated that Gordon hasn't done very well against Johnson in full-season points in recent years (but then again, who has?). Of course, if he had an equal shot at it, he'd do better. Let's not forget that when they have equal cars, Gordon has gotten the better of Johnson more often that not, especially in 1-2 finishes, a prime example being their epic duel at Atlanta a couple of years ago when Jeff set the modern record for wins. I'd like to see them have equal cars in the Brickyard 400 and see who gets a fifth win first. I know where my money would be, and it wouldn't be on Jimmie. My point on Jimmie having a hard time if he had to race where all the races count equally for the championship is that guys like Gordon, Kenseth, and Tony Stewart (when he's going well) is that they're not going to make the mistakes that Jimmie's liable to make. And today was just such a case. This might be the year were someone like Carl Edwards steals the championship because of Toyota's engine problems and Jimmie's recent habit of making mistakes at the worst possible times. The Toyota engine woes could very well cost Bowyer (who by the way, finished third in a race not many thought he was even in, since he was hardly ever mentioned), Kenseth or Kyle Busch a shot at the title, and Jimmie's mistakes could cost him too many points if they continue, and someone like Edwards or even Kevin Harvick could slip in the back door and steal the championship, not because of their brilliance, but rather the problems of others. Johnson and Kenseth are the favorites, but their own problems could cost both of them in the end if they don't straighten them out. 703. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "Neither move was acceptable or very smart by either driver, but I agree with 83andJoe that it's worse to wreck someone intentionally under caution than under green." You're saying that it's better to wreck someone while going 190 mph than it is to wreck someone while going 80 mph under caution? Wrecking someone under caution is more of a cheap shot, but to intentionally wreck someone during green-flag racing is much more dangerous and stupid. 704. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs, I don't ever recall Gordon not doing an interview. Same for Dale, even if sometimes it made him look like a dick (The 1995 Winston, after The Great Wilkesboro Incident Of Eighty Nine, after the 2000 Datona 500 with his 100% accurate comments). Although late in his career he was definitely "Kenseth Before Kenseth", giving a few quick words 3 minutes after the race already in his street clothes. Nobody got out of their car faster after a race than Dale. Watch the end of the 2000 Texas race, cars are still taking the checkered flag while Dale, who finished a distant 7th, is already parked, out of his car, rushing towards victory lane. Of course he was also famous, or infamous, for loosening all his safety stuff at the end of races for this purpose, something that led to his death (although I don't think he would have survived that one anyways, but I think he loosened his belts and chinstrap, allowing the momentum to break his belt, flip his helmet forward, and hit the back of his head on the steering wheel instead of the classic whiplash fatal neck injury he would have suffered imo). 705. 18fan posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer hasn't had nearly as many engine problems as the JGR car, but hasn't shown the speed necessary to win races or the championship. 706. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I'm gonna say this once and only once. After many months of reflection, NASCAR did the right thing by not suspending Jeff for Homestead. 20 years of good behavior will allow you those breaks. Yes it would have been fun for me if Jeff had a suspension on his resume, but they did the right thing. Besides, a Jeff Gordon win just wouldn't feel right without me being pissed off about it. 707. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You're saying that it's better to wreck someone while going 190 mph than it is to wreck someone while going 80 mph under caution? Wrecking someone under caution is more of a cheap shot, but to intentionally wreck someone during green-flag racing is much more dangerous and stupid." The caution was clearly out, but Kyle was hardly doing 80 mph. "The other one is the infamous '86 Richmond race. He led 299 laps, and had he just slowed down a tick on the backstretch then punted Darrell in Turn 3 instead of pulling a dick move and turning him head on wrecking himself, Darrell, Bodine, Ruttman, and a 15 year old Jeff Gordon (with his recent luck, even Rainbow Nation has to admit that was funny) he would have won." I actually did get a chuckle out of that one. "I do know he has the record, by a large margain, of most times being passed on the last lap, not winning after taking the white flag in first." His record is 4-8, with a percentage of .333 (using baseball terms, the actual % would be 33.3). This culminated with his being abused by Jeremy Mayfield at Pocono. Cale Yarborough has the best record, 7-0. 708. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm gonna say this once and only once. After many months of reflection, NASCAR did the right thing by not suspending Jeff for Homestead. 20 years of good behavior will allow you those breaks. Yes it would have been fun for me if Jeff had a suspension on his resume, but they did the right thing. Besides, a Jeff Gordon win just wouldn't feel right without me being pissed off about it." DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. We need to save this to the Racing Reference scrapbook. 709. JG24FanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's an interesting fact that I got to witness in person. How many engine failures did Jimmie Johnson have during his five straight Chase title's? Answer: 1, at the 2008 Coke 600. Only the second ever Cup race that I attended. Jimmie wouldn't blow another engine until the 2011 Coke 600. 710. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The caution was clearly out, but Kyle was hardly doing 80 mph." Yes, he was actually doing about 130 mph, but that's still at a slightly reduced speed. Gordon wrecked Bowyer at full speed at Phoenix. I'm not making excuses for either driver, but I believe that, in general, intentionally wrecking someone under green flag conditions is worse than wrecking somebody under caution (and by that, I mean, say: Clint Bowyer vs. Denny Hamlin at Dover in...2009? I'm not sure.). 711. SpeedWorld97 posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TheLongShot, the Denny Hamlin-Clint Bowyer incident took place in May 2010 in the Nationwide race. 712. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Earnhardt's record of last lap encounters Wins: 1983 Talladega 500 (passed Darrell Waltrip) 1984 Talladega 500 (passed Terry Labonte) 1987 TranSouth 500 (passed Bill Elliott) 1999 Goody's Headache Powder 500 (passed Terry Labonte) Losses: 1987 Goody's 500 (passed by Darrell Waltrip) 1988 Talladega DieHard 500 (passed by Ken Schrader) 1989 Holly Farms 400 (passed by Geoff Bodine) 1990 ------- 500 (passed by *driver withheld*) 1993 Daytona 500 (passed by Dale Jarrett) 1993 Winston 500 (passed by Ernie Irvan) 1994 UAW-GM Teamwork 500 (passed by Rusty Wallace) 2000 Pocono 500 (passed by Jeremy Mayfield) Interesting note: In the history of last-lap passes, Dale Earnhardt is the only driver to give away four in a row (the first four on the list above). 713. David posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Yes, he was actually doing about 130 mph, but that's still at a slightly reduced speed. Gordon wrecked Bowyer at full speed at Phoenix." I don't mean to get into a needless debate here, but what's full speed at Phoenix? Around 130-140 mph. Anyway, it's small potatoes. 714. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's with Jimmie this year? First there was his Twitter remarks against the people who say he and his team cheats (which is warranted considering how many penalties the #48 team has gotten for that, and I wouldn't blame people for saying so about the #2 team this season), then three different restarts this year he has complained about (Phoenix, Dover and this race). That's behavior I'd expect from Kyle Busch, not a multi-time champion (this is also my response to Gordon hooking Bowyer last year then saying "I had enough, so I wrecked him"). Sucks to see McMurray come up short, but he'll get a win in the near future if he and his team can keep up this momentum. 715. Jay posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Today's race was pretty good, but I'm really pumped up for Daytona! 716. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "TheLongShot, the Denny Hamlin-Clint Bowyer incident took place in May 2010 in the Nationwide race." Thanks. I had a feeling I would get the year wrong, which I've been doing a lot lately. "I don't mean to get into a needless debate here, but what's full speed at Phoenix? Around 130-140 mph." Point due. Also, Gordon wrecked Bowyer in the corner, so he was probably only going about 80-100 mph then. "Anyway, it's small potatoes." You're right. All I was doing was responding to Paul saying that he thought wrecking someone intentionally under caution was worse than wrecking somebody under green conditions, which I disagreed with IN MOST OTHER CASES. Both the Busch-Hornaday and Gordon-Bowyer incidents were exceptions. 717. The Long Shot posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Today's race was pretty good, but I'm really pumped up for Daytona!" As long as it's more exciting than the Daytona 500. That race was the definition of boredom. 718. DaleSrFanForever posted: 06.30.2013 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) None of those were unforced errors. 3 times he got "Earnhardted", twice ('88 Dega and '93 Daytona) he was in the process of being passed as he took the white flag, had one blown tire, then had his big restart lead at '93 Dega, while definitely an error for Dale, not "unforced" cause Ernie was really good at plate races. The same reason I don't consider The Glen '07 and "unforced" error by Jeff. Hard to believe the greatest championship closer ever had that many last lap losses. 719. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course 18fan, it might not matter whether Clint has the speed to win races this year if all his competitors continue to stumble like they've had, because they'll take themselves out of championship contention. The championship might fall into his hands, which was my point in saying that Carl Edwards or Kevin Harvick could steal the championship by just running in the top ten every week with a few top fives thrown in if Johnson continues to throw away races and points and the Toyotas continue to have engine problems. If that happens during the Chase, then how drivers like Bowyer, Edwards and Harvick run won't matter because they'll still be finishing races while the others won't, so they won't be a threat for the championship anyway. In other words, if this trend with Johnson and the Toyota drivers continue, it could be a Wild Chase, and a title fight like 1984 was, with top five consistency trumping over speed and wins. And DSFF, add Bill Elliott to the list of drivers that would have won that Richmond race in 1986 had he not gotten involved in that mayhem when Earnhardt turned Darrell Waltrip, because Elliott's car was also wrecked in that incident. And David, on that list of yours regarding Dale, Sr.'s last lap encounters, that doesn't tell the whole story. For instance, when Earnhardt won that race at Darlington in 1987, Bill Elliott had that one in the bag and ran out of fuel coming off the last turn. In the 1983 Talladega 500, Bobby Allison was involved in Darrell Waltrip not wining that race, even though he couldn't win it himself, because he was battling Waltrip for the title, so he helped Earnhardt pass Waltrip and made sure that Waltrip couldn't counter, so Allison had a vested interest in that one. In the fall race at North Wilkesboro in 1989, Earnhardt and Ricky Rudd spun in turn one, and Bodine inherited that race, and Earnhardt had a flat tire in the 1990 Daytona 500, allowing Derrike Cope to inherit that one, and he didn't exactly pass Terry Labonte at Bristol in 1999. He flat-out wrecked him (and took about four others out with Terry). 720. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think it's going to be ay different, The Long Shot. Remember that they use a shorter rear spoiler for the plate races, which means the effect of the draft is limited, as far as it's effects on passing goes. I don't think there's going to be much action at all for the lead. Remember what I mentioned regarding the test they did in January. In what little drafting practice there was, the cars seemed to be unable to close on each other, and after seeing that, I predicted that the Daytona 500 would not be that great, and of course it wasn't, and Talladega was even worse, so I think this race could be like the 2005 Firecracker 400 was (hopefully without the rain) when Tony Stewart led all but nine laps. I think it could be that kind of race, because it's going to be almost impossible to pass up front, so they'll be following the leader. The highlight of the Firecracker 400 may be the coverage itself, because the racing won't be worth much. 721. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Pocono race in '94, Rusty dominated, but after a late caution, Dale took 2 tires and got ahead of Rusty on 4. Rusty passed him in Turn 1 on the last lap. Had this happened one year later, Dale would have won due to clean air (as he did to Rusty at Indy). 722. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, Dale dominated Darlington in '87 and Bill was making a gamble on fuel which came within half a mile of working. Dale had to make an extra pit stop. 723. Ryan W posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only one I couldn't think right off hand was the 1994 Pocono race that Dale lost on the last lap. And after seeing it I remember it pretty good. I remember there being a late race caution and Rusty had dominated the race and he came in and took 4 I believe while Dale took 2 and Rusty got him on the restart. He still ended up second so it wasn't really a big deal. As some of you have said... in '87 he got punted, '88 he got freight trained on the last lap, '89 he got punted, '90 he had bad luck, '93 Daytona his tires just wore out and Jarrett had a better car at the end, '93 Winston as DSFF said he got out to too big of a head start and really he got robbed this race. They should have called it when it started to sprinkle or not even call a caution at all. Cost him a $100,000. '94 he just got beat by a better car, and '00 he got punted... His wins on the last lap... 1987 he had the dominant car and pitted with about 10 to go to get gas while Elliott tried to stretch his fuel but he ran out on the last lap. Both '83 and '84 he just made nice moves to win those races. Btw, he was the first to win that race two years in a row and they were in different car makes. In '99 he got hit coming off turn 4 heading for the last lap and he got back by the #5 cleanly. Dale also had a few late passes with 2-3 laps to go. 724. 18fan posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I actually just watched the finish of the 1993 Winston 500 yesterday. Rusty and his crew begged NASCAR to red flag that race and eventually they did. The finish overshadows the great battle between Dale and Rusty back to the caution flag for the rain. 725. Ryan W posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sorry DSFF I was in the process of posting when you made yours, didn't mean to be repetitive... Anyways for today's race Dale, Jr.- found more back luck while in front... Doubt he would have won because so many of these races come down to pit strategy and they usually don't have it, but you never know. Usually when he wins is when there are hardly any cautions and he's up front most of the way. The Closer- Seven straight top 10's and eight out of nine... Matt Kenseth- "Thanks Jack for doing me a huge favor, hahahahaha!" Jimmie Johnson- I agree with Kyle Petty. Lets just let Jimmie write the rule book for restarts however it benefits him. He is a bigger cry baby than Solar goggles ever thought about being. He is not a good ambassador for the sport. Kurt Busch- What are you thinking??? Oh I know, getting pay back at Penske. Don't even act like it wasn't or just "poor judgment"... BradK takes a big hit in the points and it's not looking good to get a chance to defend the title. Dodge anyone??? Jamie McMurray- Welcome back Denny Hamlin- "What is going on? Could I be finished... for good?" 726. Ryan W posted: 07.01.2013 - 1:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah 18fan it really was... What was even more surprising was that Mark Martin went with Earnhardt on the last lap. I don't know if I should have been surprised by that, but I was. Earnhardt made a spectacular move on Rusty in a three car break away draft on the last lap. He pwned Rusty on the last lap with the move he made. It was hard to do that. That should have been a last lap pass. Dale got robbed this race. Dale would have had a chance for the million at Darlington that year if he wins this race. NASCAR was really stupid to restart this race with one lap to go. I don't blame Dale for Rusty flipping, that was a byproduct of restarting on the last lap. The same thing could be said for the '97 Pepsi Firecracker 400 race. That was stupid as well to start that race with one to go(even though at the time I was hoping Dale could get by Andretti on the last lap not being mature enough at the time to realize would could happen). 727. 18fan posted: 07.01.2013 - 1:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mark actually tried to go around both Dale and Rusty on the outside, but once he couldn't do that he pushed Dale clear of Rusty. 728. Ryan W posted: 07.01.2013 - 1:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yea even at that was still surprised 729. JP88 posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:36 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) Ugh...what another disappointing race for me to watch? I know Jeff and Jamie have had a real bad streak of bad luck but Jr. is right there with them...I mean at the exact time he's going by...unreal. We have see some freak things this year...the cables in the 600, nationwide daytona wreck (thank god everyone was alright) And Jimmie Johnson is a little crybaby. Many wonder why he's hated...he's a little b*tch. Sure everything is all fine and dandy, smelling like roses when he's winning but god forbid he makes a mistake it's the restart's fault...or I like this one: "Juan did it on purpose." Case and fact is that Jimmie is not as mentally on his game as you think anymore. His last couple titles coupled with the last 2 championship-less years shows that. 2009 was won because Mark Martin has no luck (i.e Dega) and 2010 because Hamlin and Harvick were even worse in the mental game. But because of how he has acted, I don't respect the guy. Yeah I respect that he has a ton of wins and 5 titles, but I'll take anyone else over him. 730. joey2448 posted: 07.01.2013 - 4:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why don't teams (or NASCAR) just use a bigger rear spoiler at Daytona? That would bring a lot more passing back, because the car in front would be punching a bigger hole in the air. Or they could go back to the wicker bill. 731. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 6:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jimmie was already low enough on our "shit lists"... now he's near or at the bottom on ALL of them. 732. Benjamin Lowe posted: 07.01.2013 - 6:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) At post 721: Clean air Stinks 733. The Long Shot posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For all the fantasy players out there, I am currently working on the standings for 24over48's fantasy game. Hopefully they will be finished sometime this week. 734. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Man, Jimmie is REALLY arrogant. He follows his twitter posts up with #6pack. 735. Baker posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Jimmie Johnson's mental toughness has always been overrated especially by DSFF. The only reason why he seems so mentally tough if because the rest of his competition is so busy acting like babies and cat fighting each other he slips away with the title. I would take Jeff Gordon, Matt Kenseth, or a focused Tony Stewart over JJ any day if I needed a mentally tough driver. Yes, I know Tony is bi polar and a lot of times when things are going bad he breaks and has his childish rants like a mentally weak mind would do, however, if you can get the focused Tony then he is as mentally tough as they come. Like I said the guy is bi polar. 736. jabber1990 posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch wrecked Hornaday at 180MPH, Jeff Gordon was at 120MPH. thats been estabished numerous times 737. Paul posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon wrote on his Twitter page that on the final restart, Kyle Busch spun his tires, causing him to run into Kyle, which gave Logano enough momentum to pass him on the apron and put Gordon back into traffic. He also replied to a fan asking if he thought Logano was a dirty, spoiled driver, saying "I don't think he's dirty." I'm not sure if he was being witty by not denying Logano being spoiled or if it's just a coincidence, but I got a light chuckle out of that. When Tony Stewart is on, he is ON. Go back and watch the 2011 Chase and you'll see just how determined he was to turn a negative season into a positive one by winning five of the final 10 races. As soon as he won his 2nd race of the season at Loudon, I just knew he would continue that momentum and would win the championship barring any bad luck. And at Homestead when it came down to him and Carl and he had those early race problems and was unusually calm over the radio t his crew, it didn't surprise me one bit when he charged through the field (including making it 3- or 4-wide on a mid-race restart) and took the lead away from Carl. It was like "Goodnight, Irene. This championship is Tony's." He may not have deserved it over a full season's worth of work, but when it came down to it, he simply wanted it more than the other drivers. We saw this just a few weeks ago too when Tony won at Dover and had 3 straight top five finishes in spite of his mediocre team. When Stewart is focused and extra-motivated, there's no better driver in NASCAR. It's a shame that he doesn't always race that way, which is probably due to his "bi-polarness." 738. Paul posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Denny Hamlin passed his concussion tests and has been cleared to race at Daytona. 739. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""bi-polarness"" "Bi-polarity" is the word you are looking for there. 740. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I said how the race was going to be better than we expected you all laughed at me" We didn't laugh at you, jabber! Why would we do a silly thing like that? The budding genius jabber is right. The race was better than most of us expected. 741. Paul posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) No, I meant "bi-polarness." Bi-polarity is a real thing and I was merely being subtlely facetious. Plus, when -ness is used as a word's suffix, it has a similar meaning to that of -esque and -ish, which would indicate I think Stewart has bi-polar-like qualities, but not that I think he's actually bi-polar, although that would explain quite a bit. He already has two different personalities: First there's Tony Stewart, who is the nice, entertaining guy who spends his free time giving people opportunities at SHR, owning Eldora Speedway, donating a lot of money to charity, and eating soda cookies while stretching (I love that commercial.). Then there's the colorful "Smoke," who drives aggressively, is easily agitated on the race track, and has been known to speak his mind in sort of a sarcastic, somewhat demeaning manner directed towards other drivers, officials, and media members. And all the while, it's up to good guy Tony Stewart to try to overcome his inner demons/alter-ego in a quest to become the greatest driver who ever lived. Damn, I'd love to see that movie. 742. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That says just how great this race was low our expectations were. 743. Baker posted: 07.01.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I have seen great racing at Kentucky in Nationwide and Trucks. I believe it is racing at Night and the Cup cars(and now Nationwide) that are the problem. I know everyone loves to hate Kentucky because new tracks mean the loss of tradition such as the Labor Day Southern 500, Rockingham and North Wilkesboro, but Kentucky can put on a good show if they move the race to day time and get the clear air problems fixed. Kentucky can be a better track than California was for years, Pocono, Charlotte, Kansas and the new Homstead. It is also better racing than the crap at Daytona and Talladega. Sure those tracks create excitement, but that is all because of the crashes and unpredictability. It has nothing to do with great racing. 744. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Paul (@737), that's exactly the point I was making about Kyle Busch having a bad restart and nobody else bringing that up. Everyone here focuses on Gordon's bad restart, but part of that was Kyle having problems, though part of it was also being stuck on the much slower inside lane, a fact that Joey Logano brought up in his post-race interview. Logano had stated that, since he was in fourth place, had there been another caution, he would have been no worse than second because he would have been second on the outside. Another part of Gordon's restart problems is his lack of willingness to take chances, while others have no such problems, and the other seems to be that they seem to be running a gear ratio that causes their cars to have problems going from either second to third or third to fourth, because there really seems to be a lag. If you note that restart in which Jimmie Johnson spun, he and Gordon, who were basically beside each other, both had trouble at almost the exact same instant with a lack of acceleration on what appeared to be a shift point, so it seem to me that HMS has a gear ratio that makes it extremely difficult for the car to get going after shifting to high gear, and that it's an organization-wide problem. At almost the same instant that Logano moved inside of Johnson, Kyle Busch moved inside of Gordon, so I think the HMS restart issues have something to do with the gear ratios those teams run, because their problems, particularly Gordon's, always occur in turn one. That where he gets practically overrun, and I think if you look at Kasey Kahne's restart issues, that's where he gets swamped, as well. At the shift point, there seems to be a lag, and that's where the competition eats the HMS cars alive on the restarts. And on another note, on SPEED Center last night, Bob Dillner made a report on the bumpiness of the Kentucky track surface, and he mentioned that Clint Bowyer was saying that the cars were actually getting of the ground because of the bumpiness of the track. That tells me that Kentucky surface is unsafe to race on, because no track should ever allow it's surface to be so bad that the cars can't even stay on the track going straight, and that's basically what Bowyer was insinuating. And not just any track surface, but one where the cars are going 200 MPH. That track has got to be repaved, because there are safety issues with the track surface there. Remember that in the Nationwide race, that track surface broke the right front suspension on Regan Smith's car, and had his car ben sent into the wall because of that, he could have been injured due to the track surface. I'm all for tracks that have character, but not to the point where the track surface becomes unsafe, and that's sadly what has happened at Kentucky. To me, the track at Kentucky Speedway is an unsafe racetrack, and if I were NASCAR, I would tell Bruton Smith to repave it, or NASCAR will not return there. 745. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have an idea to improve the entertainment value of racing at Kentucky. Remember before they totally repaved Pocono they put that "grip strip" 3/4 of the way up the track and suddenly the racing in that corner became really freaking fun? They should do that way up high in the corners here. And cjs, what you see as a track needing to have its bumps taken away, I see cars that need to be raised off the ground. That is what is causing all the clean air issues. If cars couldn't get their noses sealed so much better out front. And the splitter definitely needs to go. 746. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the record, I wasn't trying to say Jeff Gordon is as bad as Kyle Busch based off of his incident at Phoenix last year (though it was extremely dumb). Jeff's one of the good guys in the sport, and as DaleSrFanForever said, it's really the only major incident in his career. However, comparing Gordon and Busch not much more ridiculous than comparing Jimmie Johnson to Kyle Busch. So he apparently declined an interview request with TNT (which is FALSE, he answered questions of the media that gathered around him; TNT loves manufacturing drama), and he likes to have fun with the ridiculous amount of hate he gets. But I can't recall that he ever intentionally wrecked drivers, exceeded the speed limit on the street by some ungodly number, or managed to get into any sort of legal trouble whatsoever. Now I don't understand why he's calling out Kenseth over the restart, I didn't see anything Kenseth did wrong (his frustration with Montoya was understandable, but Montoya didn't do anything wrong... his frustration with Brad Keselowski last year is a completely different story though), but there are worse whiners out there for sure who remain popular (cough, cough... Tony Stewart, cough). Like him or not, he's generally regarded as a good guy and he does a lot of charity and goodwill work off the track. Though he's not marketable at all, he's a better ambassador and representative for the sport than someone who perpetuates stereotypes by getting drunk on national television immediately after winning the Championship, someone who tries to ruin the biggest underdog win in years by making a blatantly false claim that they were cheating, or someone who in the midst of a slump decides to criticize other teams for signing free agent crew members for more money, even though he recently did the same thing as those crew members did (all three of those "someone"s are the same person, BTW). "Let's not forget that when they have equal cars, Gordon has gotten the better of Johnson more often that not, especially in 1-2 finishes, a prime example being their epic duel at Atlanta a couple of years ago when Jeff set the modern record for wins." I've said it several times here, but I still don't get why people assume Johnson has better cars than Gordon. There's no logical basis for it. It just sounds like a convenient excuse more than anything. "Kurt Busch- What are you thinking??? Oh I know, getting pay back at Penske. Don't even act like it wasn't or just "poor judgment"... BradK takes a big hit in the points and it's not looking good to get a chance to defend the title. Dodge anyone???" Get those tin-foil hats out, everyone! "Man, Jimmie is REALLY arrogant. He follows his twitter posts up with #6pack." I wonder what you thought about "Drive for Five" in the early-to-mid 2000s. "Yes, I know Tony is bi polar and a lot of times when things are going bad he breaks and has his childish rants like a mentally weak mind would do, however, if you can get the focused Tony then he is as mentally tough as they come." Tony Stewart is the biggest (pun intended) baby in the garage. Danica Patrick is mentally tougher than he is. As great as his stats are, they could easily better, he has the raw talent to be the best of all time. He spends half the race planning sarcastic comments to say to the press afterwards. You see "if you can get the focused Tony," but you only actually get that a few weeks out of the year now (luckily in 2011, that was during the Chase). Heck, "if" Robby Gordon was focused, he would have been a NASCAR champion. "He also replied to a fan asking if he thought Logano was a dirty, spoiled driver, saying "I don't think he's dirty." I'm not sure if he was being witty by not denying Logano being spoiled or if it's just a coincidence, but I got a light chuckle out of that." Well, it's pretty hard to deny he's spoiled. But he's finally making something out of it at least. The dirtiest thing Logano has done is prevented Hamlin from winning at Auto Club Speedway, but Hamlin deserved it (he certainly didn't deserve the nasty injury though). 747. Baker posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) NoLongerAnonymous, aaaaaaahahahahaha Robby Gordon a Nascar champion? What a joke. He is the single most overrated "talent" of the last 40-50 years. Go suck on Jimmie's nipple some more. 748. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "NoLongerAnonymous, aaaaaaahahahahaha Robby Gordon a Nascar champion? What a joke. He is the single most overrated "talent" of the last 40-50 years." If you deny Robby Gordon's obvious talent, it's kind of a reflection on your lack of knowledge as a racing fan. But hey, you are the same one who wished death on someone for being able to drive a race car fast. Robby Gordon was extremely talented, he suffered from having poor rides and not having his head on straight. His road course performances, the Loudon win, and the Richmond race where he finished in the top 5 after being 4 laps down (before the lucky dog rule) showed only a glimpse of the guy's talent. "Go suck on Jimmie's nipple some more." I'm not a Jimmie Johnson fan, but I have to admit that bullcrap likes yours and NicoRosbergFan's endears me to the guy. 749. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just watched the final laps of the 2010 Coke Zero 400. I forgot just how close Jeff was to winning that race. 750. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "he's a better ambassador and representative for the sport than someone who perpetuates stereotypes by getting drunk on national television immediately after winning the Championship" Yeah, I guess it is better to get drunk in your private time and go recklessly drive golf carts around than get drunk on live TV while celebrating your championship. That sounds like a much better ambassador for an auto racing series. I certainly don't condone what Brad did, but it's ridiculous to say that Jimmie is a much better ambassador for the sport just because of Brad being shitfaced live on TV at Homestead. Now, as I'm saying this, I AM NOT saying that Brad is a good ambassador for the sport either. If you want to know my opinion, NOBODY in the current crop of drivers is cut out to be the ambassador of the sport. All these hot young guns that are supposed to be the stars of the sport (Kyle, Brad, Carl, Denny, Joey) are way too immature to be considered ambassadors. Then there is the group of veterans who I would file under the "total asshole" category (Stewart, Johnson, Montoya, Newman). And then of course there is the "t-shirt sellers" group (Earnhardt Jr, Danica). And then after that, everyone else is just kind of there. The closest guys that we have to ambassadors are Jeff Gordon, Matt Kenseth, Jeff Burton, and Mark Martin, but unfortunately, all those guys are either overshadowed by all those other groups and/or are just considered "old and washed up" at this point in their careers. So I don't think anybody in this current group are or should be considered "ambassadors" for the sport. We lost that when we lost Dale Earnhardt. 751. RACING24/7 posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clean air is just so important. It's kind of rediculous it just always seems to me this season that the 1st place car in clean air is so far away from everyone else until a caution comes out on so many of these tracks. Which is why I stress NASCAR needs to add Montreal, Iowa, and maybe even IRP to the schedule (Indy has run it's course) and give all the current cup tracks 1 date except for Daytona (prestige) and Martinsville along with getting rid of some of these cookie cutter tracks (or Pocono) that aren't in big markets that they need a race in.(except for chicago I know someone who lives there that said most people there think of the track as a nusence) I like the shorter schedule because every race is a must watch. Casual fans aren't watching 36 4 hour races. The NFL is only on 21 weeks. That's a big reason for their success imo. 752. RACING24/7 posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @610 Kyle said after Adam's death that life wasn't about driving in circles but helping out others and caring for people. That's a huge reason for his decline. Also is there ever going to be a cup race at Iowa? Brian says the schedule is staying the same next year. Kentucky>Iowa??? 753. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the record, I wasn't trying to say Jeff Gordon is as bad as Kyle Busch based off of his incident at Phoenix last year (though it was extremely dumb). Jeff's one of the good guys in the sport, and as DaleSrFanForever said, it's really the only major incident in his career. However, comparing Gordon and Busch not much more ridiculous than comparing Jimmie Johnson to Kyle Busch. So he apparently declined an interview request with TNT (which is FALSE, he answered questions of the media that gathered around him; TNT loves manufacturing drama), and he likes to have fun with the ridiculous amount of hate he gets. But I can't recall that he ever intentionally wrecked drivers..." Right there you went wrong... remember him cutting across Harvick's bumper in the 2005 Gatorade Duels and him dumping Jeff at Richmond in 2009, which led to the then ignored but now storytelling "The 48 team is trying our patience." I'm not wasting time in the Jeff-Jimmie thing when Jeff himself has said the opposite of what you just said. 754. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I should also add to my last sentence in 749 that Richard Petty, Rusty Wallace, Dale Jarrett, and other guys like that were great ambassadors for the sport along with Earnhardt, but obviously they've all retired. 755. RACING24/7 posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @745 I didn't think about that DSFF read that after my post. Anyway It's a big problem 756. RACING24/7 posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb I wouldn't say Kenseth is washed up. He's just too quite. The next crop of stars all seem to be good guys imo hopefully we'll find a leader their. Which we might. 757. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Murb I wouldn't say Kenseth is washed up. He's just too quite." Yeah, of course he's not. That's why I said the guys in that group are either washed up or overshadowed by all the other drivers. Kenseth is WAY overshadowed by most of the other drivers. Even this year (which I think you could argue as being one of his best seasons ever) he has been hugely overshadowed by other drivers that he has run better and has more wins than(namely Jimmie). 758. 18fan posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth's only problem this year is that he doesn't have a top 5 finish that is not a win, but he definitely has had the speed to post many top 5s. 759. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF (#745), that doesn't change the fact that Clint Bowyer was saying that his entire car was leaving the ground, and when the track is so bumpy that the entire car comes up off the ground, that tells me that the track is unsafe. That's not an aerodynamics issue, that's a track issue, and if I were a high-ranking NASCAR official and heard a competitor say that his car actually lept off the track because of the bumps, I would insist that the track be repaved before NASCAR returns, because that makes the surface unsafe. Remember that the track actually broke the right front suspension on Regan Smith's car in the Nationwide race. Fortunately, his crew caught it in the pits under caution, or there would likely have been a dramatic crash. Again, I like it when tracks get "personality", but not at the cost of the safety of the competitors, and that line has been crossed at Kentucky. 760. 83andJoe posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >And cjs, what you see as a track needing to have its bumps taken away, I see cars that need to be raised off the ground. That is what is causing all the clean air issues. If cars couldn't get their noses sealed so much better out front. And the splitter definitely needs to go. Hear, hear! If they were raised off the ground, they WOULDN'T be being "launched" by the bumps. The splitter is an ugly monstrosity and having cars "glued" to the track is a horrible thing - they didn't do that in the mid-90s and the racing was much better... (Now, I do understand WHY they went to the splitter, it was a result of teams trying to get the old air dam glued to the track. But it treats the symptom and not the disease.) 761. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) List of last lap passes since the start of 2003 2003 Carolina Dodge Dealers 400 Winner: Ricky Craven (1-0) Loser*: Kurt Busch (0-1) 2003 Ford 400 Winner: Bobby Labonte (1-0, 2-1 overall) Loser: Bill Elliott (0-1, 1-2 overall) 2005 Golden Corral 500 Winner: Carl Edwards (1-0) Loser: Jimmie Johnson (0-1) 2005 Coca-Cola 600 Winner: Jimmie Johnson (1-1) Loser: Bobby Labonte (1-1, 2-2 overall) 2005 UAW-Ford 500 Winner: Dale Jarrett (1-0, 3-0 overall) Loser: Matt Kenseth (0-1) 2006 UAW-Daimler Chrysler 400 Winner: Jimmie Johnson (2-1) Loser: Matt Kenseth (0-2) 2006 Aaron's 499 Winner: Jimmie Johnson (3-1) Loser: Brian Vickers (0-1) 2006 UAW-Ford 500 Winner: Brian Vickers (1-1) Loser: Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (0-1, 1-1 overall) 2007 Daytona 500 Winner: Kevin Harvick (1-0) Loser: Mark Martin (0-1) 2007 Samsung 500 Winner: Jeff Burton (1-0) Loser: Matt Kenseth (0-3) 2007 Pepsi 400 Winner: Jamie McMurray (1-0) Loser: Kyle Busch (0-1) 2007 UAW-Ford 500 Winner: Jeff Gordon (1-0, 3-0 overall) Loser: Jimmie Johnson (3-2) 2008 Daytona 500 Winner: Ryan Newman (1-0) Loser: Tony Stewart (0-1) 2009 Aaron's 499 Winner: Brad Keselowski (1-0) Loser: Carl Edwards (1-1) 2009 LifeLock 400 Winner: Mark Martin (1-1) Loser: Greg Biffle (0-1) 2009 Coke Zero 400 Powered by Coca-Cola Winner: Tony Stewart (1-1) Loser: Kyle Busch (0-2) 2010 Aaron's 499 Winner: Kevin Harvick (2-0) Loser: Jamie McMurray (1-1) 2010 Amp Energy Juice 500 Winner: Clint Bowyer (1-0) Loser: Kevin Harvick (2-1) 2011 Auto Club 400 Winner: Kevin Harvick (3-1) Loser: Jimmie Johnson (3-3) 2011 Aaron's 499 Winner: Jimmie Johnson (4-3) Loser: Jeff Gordon (1-1, 3-1 overall) 2011 Coca-Cola 600 Winner: Kevin Harvick (4-1) Loser: Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (0-2, 1-2 overall) 2011 Good Sam Club 500 Winner: Clint Bowyer (2-0) Loser: Jeff Burton (1-1) 2012 Coke Zero 400 Winner: Tony Stewart (2-1) Loser: Matt Kenseth (0-4) 2012 Finger Lakes 355 at the Glen Winner: Marcos Ambrose (1-0) Loser: Kyle Busch (0-3) 2012 Good Sam Roadside Assistance Winner: Matt Kenseth (1-4) Loser: Tony Stewart (2-2) 2013 Auto Club 400 Winner: Kyle Busch (1-3) Loser: Joey Logano (0-1) 2013 Aaron's 499 Winner: David Ragan (1-0) Loser: Carl Edwards (1-2) *Loser is defined as the driver leading entering the final lap. (whew) 762. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NLA, the reason why Johnson has had better cars than Gordon most of the time since 2004-'05, is because HMS sees to it that's the case. Remember that many of those that were in high-level positions at HMS when Jeff Gordon was the top dog there were lost in the 2004 HMS plane crash. It was at that exact moment that Johnson became the top guy there, and it the organization saw to it that Johnson was the lead guy there, which is why it's their intention to make sure that Johnson's the only HMS driver capable of winning a championship. Let's also remember that ever since the HMS place crash, Chad Knaus has basically run the competition side at HMS, and it seems that he's always had it out for Gordon, to the point where they admit that whatever info sharing was going on stopped when Knaus saw that Gordon could take their title in 2007, and they never really shared information the rest of the time Gordon's team was in the same shop with the #48 team after that. Knaus has never really feared any other driver at HMS like he feared Gordon, because he knew that Gordon was the only HMS driver that could beat Johnson, so once he got that obstacle out of the way, the coast was clear for the #48 team to dominate the sport. Knaus will share information with Dale, Jr.'s team because he knows that Dale, Jr. can't beat Johnson for a championship. The moment it appears that he might, the information sharing will again stop. 763. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Didn't they bounce Jr. back into the 24 shop after Kahne joined the team? cjs, you could save yourself five minutes if you replaced three sentences that combine to say "Chad Knaus is a grade-A asshole" with "Chad Knaus is a grade-A asshole." Anyone else surprised by all the violent hatred toward KP ever since he made his Danica comments? 764. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "cjs, you could save yourself five minutes if you replaced three sentences that combine to say "Chad Knaus is a grade-A asshole" with "Chad Knaus is a grade-A asshole."" cjs is too polite for that. 765. startandparkfan posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looks like I may have to miss the Daytona race, since I am making the 20 hour drive to Tallahassee on Saturday, with a stop at Charlotte for the NASCAR Hall of Fame. I won't return until Saturday or Sunday. I'm pretty disappointed. Do any of you know a way to watch the race on an iPhone (besides RaceBuddy) 766. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, cjs IS really polite, which is why I never take offense to his comments. I tease him a bit about his somewhat know-it-all stance upon occasion, but the guy's logic is astounding. 767. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) startandparkfan, do what I do. I watch Live Leaderboard and keep the race's RR com-box open. 768. Daniel posted: 07.01.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 43 entered at Daytona: -Trevor Bayne in the #21 -Terry Labonte in the #32 -Bobby Labonte in the #47 -A.J. Allmendinger in the #51 -Michael Waltrip in the #55 -Scott Speed in the #95 769. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I've said it several times here, but I still don't get why people assume Johnson has better cars than Gordon. There's no logical basis for it. It just sounds like a convenient excuse more than anything." I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one. As much as I can't stand Jimmie. And if the 48 is getting better stuff than Jeff, as I have said many times before, then Jeff has nobody to blame but himself. Between his seniority at HMS and the fact that he owns a piece of the 48, he could put a stop to that if it were going on. "s great as his stats are, they could easily better, he has the raw talent to be the best of all time." I definitely agree with this one. That is why I refuse to put him in my Top 15 drivers ever lists despite him having Top 15 numbers. All I can see looking at Tony is what could have been if he were properly medicated. "I certainly don't condone what Brad did, but it's ridiculous to say that Jimmie is a much better ambassador for the sport just because of Brad being shitfaced live on TV at Homestead." Whoa whoa whoa, lets not get carried away here. Brad was far from "shitfaced". He was buzzed and a bit tipsy, but if you listened to what he actually said, it was a good interview. Compare that to Joe Namath's infamous MNF interview with Suzy Kolber. At least Brad got all his words out. "Also is there ever going to be a cup race at Iowa?" There will be eventually. I say this because NASCAR is declining by the second, and we will eventually be forced to quit pretending to be big time when we clearly aren't, and go where the good racing is instead of "market value". Besides, if we are putting nobody in the stands (and we aren't), then it doesn't matter. And for the record, I see Cup going back to Rockingham in a few years. The fact is NASCAR is falling off a major cliff right now. In a few years, we will have no choice but to completely reimagine the sport. And this will include stops in Iowa and Rockingham. This should have long since happened, but Brainless Brian will stick to his dumbass plans until he has no choice. "DSFF (#745), that doesn't change the fact that Clint Bowyer was saying that his entire car was leaving the ground, and when the track is so bumpy that the entire car comes up off the ground, that tells me that the track is unsafe." I know, but when the cars are completely on the ground you will get that. The car is what needs to be fixed. I just don't understand how we can have such an incompetent group of "brain trust" in NASCAR. Can't they see raising these cars up is the only way to prevent aero push? And who thought it was a good idea to have Brett Bodine in ANY important decision making role? "It was at that exact moment that Johnson became the top guy there, and it the organization saw to it that Johnson was the lead guy there, which is why it's their intention to make sure that Johnson's the only HMS driver capable of winning a championship." Again, I just don't buy that, unless Gordon is a complete pushover and acts as timidly in competition meetings as he does on restarts (sorry, had to go there). To me, Gordon's career "dropoff" after 2001 boils down to a few things. I think in '02 and '03 he became a little complacent and also allowed business dealings off track sidetrack him, like his ownership in the 48 team, plus the divorce. Then the cha$e happened which exposed Jeff's biggest weakness, his performance once Summer ends. I know a lot of you say "well if it wasn't for the cha$e" but think of it this way, what if they brought out the cha$e in 1994 instead of 2004? Suddenly Jeff is Bobby Allison, 80+ wins and a mountain of crown jewel wins with just one title, and no constant ride shuffling for an excuse. I guess the Earnhardt fan in me wonders how his career would have been different if he had the cha$e, double file restarts, lucky dogs, and wave arounds. With the cha$e, only needing to be in the Top 10 with 10 races left, he could have gone for more wins (and had RCR take some of the reins off), and then a 10 race pressure cooker run for the Cup with the sport's mentally toughest driver ever, the guy with more foot to the throat championship performances than anyone else in history as it is, wow! 770. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) As for the ambassador discussion, you have to remember what we are and where we are at presently. This is stock car racing, a sport that is meant to be rough around the edges with colorful personalities behind the wheel. At the moment we are losing fans by the handful, so we need to get the core RACING fan back. We need a driver that acts normal, warts and all. And does normal things of this generation like social media and recounting their childhood crush on Jennifer Love Hewitt (anyone in their mid to late 20s knows exactly what I am talking about). We need Brad right now. And we need him to be himself, warts and all. We have had Jimmie as our front runner for years, and he has brought NOBODY new to the table, bored the longtime fans to tears, run off all the casual fans picked up from the 90's and early 00's, and run off a good portion of the long time fans because he brings NOTHING to the table besides mind numbing boredom. Like him or not, we NEED Brad. Just like Jeff was the perfect spokesperson when NASCAR was reaching out to get new audiences, just like Dale was the perfect front runner from '87 through '94 when sports fans were looking to root for one of their own, not only a "warts and all" guy, but somebody who embraced those warts and embraced his dark side to launch The Intimidator and The Man In Black merchandising machine into the stratosphere and make us fans feel like the sport was being ruled by somebody who was truly one of us. In the age of the anti-hero, Dale was a God send for NASCAR. Where we are at now, Brad must be embraced. 771. New14 & 88Fan posted: 07.01.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Tony Stewart is the biggest (pun intended) baby in the garage. Danica Patrick is mentally tougher than he is. As great as his stats are, they could easily better, he has the raw talent to be the best of all time. He spends half the race planning sarcastic comments to say to the press afterwards. You see "if you can get the focused Tony," but you only actually get that a few weeks out of the year now (luckily in 2011, that was during the Chase)." In fairness to Tony, most of his whining has mainly been in regards to blocking(which he himself has done plenty of). But we definitely need more of the focused Tony and not "Sheriff Tony". 772. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.01.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Just like Jeff was the perfect spokesperson when NASCAR was reaching out to get new audiences, just like Dale was the perfect front runner from '87 through '94 when sports fans were looking to root for one of their own, not only a "warts and all" guy, but somebody who embraced those warts and embraced his dark side to launch The Intimidator and The Man In Black merchandising machine into the stratosphere and make us fans feel like the sport was being ruled by somebody who was truly one of us. In the age of the anti-hero, Dale was a God send for NASCAR." That's something it seems is more in IndyCar nowadays. You have guys like James Hinchcliffe who is marketable (HinchTown, GoDaddy), fan-friendly, and can win races. It's guys like him who aren't ego-maniacs or divas. Yet, the only thing is that IndyCar just doesn't have the popularity like NASCAR does, which is a huge setback. 773. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hinch rules! I love his personality and it looks like he has quite a bit of talent. Championship level talent? Too early to say so far, but if he keeps progressing, he could get there. Add in the fact that to those of us who are true RACE fans, and therefore are really put off by The Baroness, get to watch him win races in her old car that she did pretty much nothing with, and put the bright green GoDaddy car in victory lane instead of the wave around line EVERY FREAKING RACE, and he could take Indy Car places. I have to work Saturday night and Sunday night this weekend, but I hope to catch Indy cars at Pocono if I can wake up in time. 774. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) As always, great points DSFF. I EVENTUALLY would like to see Brad step into that ambassador role. We absolutely need more people like him in the sport. As I was saying before, there are just so many drivers out right now that would be horrible as faces of the sport. While I grouped him together with Kyle, Carl, Denny, and the other young guys who spend a lot more time using their mouths than their steering wheels, Brad seems like the only one who can really step up in the future and become a face of the sport. For now though, I still think he has a lot to prove. Let's not forget that this is only his fourth full time Cup season. I know he has a championship, but I think it might be asking a lot of him to step up into such a huge leadership role at this point in his career. As someone who likes him, I personally would rather just see him focus on winning at least one more championship instead of getting too caught up in an ambassador role at this point. 775. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Robby Gordon was extremely talented, he suffered from having poor rides and not having his head on straight." I agree with this. If he wasn't such a "my way or the highway" type of guy I think he could have put up numbers similar to Tony Stewart. 776. Baker posted: 07.01.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) You guys are kidding yourselves if you believe Robby Gordon was as talented the elite guys in Cup history or even todays Cup. He ran races with teams that were competitive and still his best ever season was 4 Top 5 finishes with 2 road coarse wins where you're either good or you're not. He wasn't even on the same level on the road as Gordon, Stewart, Montoya or Ambrose and no one considers the latter two "elite" talents. It takes being good at more than one type of track to be considered a great talent. Ambrose is a threat to win every time we go road racing and junk everywhere else and like I said no one is proclaiming him a could have been cup champion. 777. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, you forgot to mention one more element in Gordon's downfall, and that was the effect of Dale Earnhardt's fatal crash at the end of the 2001 Daytona 500. It might very well have been that particular moment where Gordon reassessed not only his career, but his life, as well. That singular moment did that to just about everyone that had raced with Dale, Sr. for those years. The drivers of today have never had to deal with anything like that, but if something like that does happen, it will shake the current-day drivers, much like Earnhardt's death shook the veteran drivers that were at or near the top in 2000 and 2001. Guys like Bobby Labonte (the just-crowned NASCAR champion at the time), Dale Jarrett, Jeff Burton, Rusty Wallace, and others were so shaken up by Earnhardt's death, that they were never the same again. 778. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trust me, I cringe quite a bit at some of Brad's comments. His post Dega quotes were particularly painful, but to his credit, he apologized and admitted he was wrong. The "stealing talent" comments came off as unnecessary to me. But overall I feel he can take the sport places. 779. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I must be turning into JG24FanForever. I post stats, then nobody talks about them. Can't wait for Daytona! 780. JG24FanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I must be turning into JG24FanForever." You can be my adopted son:) 781. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have seen great racing at Kentucky in Nationwide and Trucks. I believe it is racing at Night and the Cup cars(and now Nationwide) that are the problem. I know everyone loves to hate Kentucky because new tracks mean the loss of tradition such as the Labor Day Southern 500, Rockingham and North Wilkesboro, but Kentucky can put on a good show if they move the race to day time and get the clear air problems fixed." The reason those tracks were replaced was supposedly because of poor attendance, but if you paid attention to the grandstands yesterday, they looked terribly empty. The grandstands for the Nationwide race looked like a Saturday night short track crowd. If they're drawing even worse crowds than the tracks that were replaced and the racing is worse, why do they still have races? I know technically Kentucky replaced an Atlanta race, but it was the Kentucky lawsuit that set all the realignment into motion (except North Wilkesboro). "If you note that restart in which Jimmie Johnson spun, he and Gordon, who were basically beside each other, both had trouble at almost the exact same instant with a lack of acceleration on what appeared to be a shift point, so it seem to me that HMS has a gear ratio that makes it extremely difficult for the car to get going after shifting to high gear, and that it's an organization-wide problem." All four of the cars have had restart trouble all season long. I thought it was just Johnson making mistakes for a while, but it's apparent when all four cars restart near the front (since the TV cameras will only focus on about the first 4 rows), they tend to slide back. "I'm all for tracks that have character, but not to the point where the track surface becomes unsafe, and that's sadly what has happened at Kentucky. To me, the track at Kentucky Speedway is an unsafe racetrack, and if I were NASCAR, I would tell Bruton Smith to repave it, or NASCAR will not return there." I agree. I'd hate for it to be like Las Vegas or Kansas when those tracks first opened, but something needs to be done. Personally I'd prefer for it to be shut down and the race given back to Atlanta (or another road course, but Bruton only owns Sonoma). If they're going to keep racing at Kentucky, they need to repave it. Perhaps while they're at it they can reconfigure it to give the track a different character. 782. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, I guess it is better to get drunk in your private time and go recklessly drive golf carts around than get drunk on live TV while celebrating your championship. That sounds like a much better ambassador for an auto racing series." The difference is that Johnson was acting like a fool during his private time and away from television cameras, and not on national television directly representing the sport. ""total asshole" category (Stewart, Johnson, Montoya, Newman)" I understand that no one likes Johnson, but why Newman??? All I can think of are the (very valid) comments he made about restrictor plate racing. "The closest guys that we have to ambassadors are Jeff Gordon, Matt Kenseth, Jeff Burton, and Mark Martin" I agree with you about the younger guys, and I think of these, Gordon and Martin are still the main active ambassadors and have yet to be supplanted. I personally lost respect for Martin when he turned into Brett Favre, but he's still the one racer who represents how you should carry yourself on and off the track. I lost a little respect for Gordon after the stunt at Phoenix last year, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal. I don't think Kenseth will ever be an ambassador for the sport because he's just too quiet and invisible. Even though he's one of the greatest in the sport today, it's easy to forget about him. Jeff Burton's a great representative of the sport but he's never succeeded at the level you expect from an ambassador. "Which is why I stress NASCAR needs to add Montreal, Iowa, and maybe even IRP to the schedule" Removing Montreal from the Nationwide schedule was a really bad move. That was always one of the best races of the year, and I bet Bernie Ecclestone had something to do with it. He'd probably also be able to throw his weight around and prevent Cup from racing there. I do hope Iowa can get a Cup race someday as it's one of the better ovals in the country and there are too many less-than-stellar tracks (Pocono and Michigan stand out) with 2 dates. IRP couldn't even hold onto a Nationwide date, so forget it. "The NFL is only on 21 weeks. That's a big reason for their success imo." The NFL's a success because every major region has a team to call its own, most teams have fierce rivalries, and the product on the field is exciting. NASCAR's had long seasons from the start and it should stay that way. November through February sucks for race fans. "Right there you went wrong... remember him cutting across Harvick's bumper in the 2005 Gatorade Duels and him dumping Jeff at Richmond in 2009, which led to the then ignored but now storytelling "The 48 team is trying our patience." " PLEASE tell me you're kidding about the Duels wreck. Harvick got into Johnson's left rear in the turn, plain as day. Also, Gordon said that quote after Talladega in 2010 after he was frustrated that Johnson switched lanes in front of him, which only happened after Gordon tested Johnson's bumper for much of the race at Texas. I don't recall Johnson wrecking Gordon at Richmond, I can't find a video of it anywhere, and I can't find any news stories about it. Given the amount of revisionism in your posts, I kind of doubt it even happened. 783. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm not wasting time in the Jeff-Jimmie thing when Jeff himself has said the opposite of what you just said." You expect a competitive driver like Jeff Gordon to come out and admit he's just flat getting beat? All of this Jeff-Jimmie drama came about around 2010 because Gordon couldn't stand losing anymore and he became bitter, plain and simple. "Let's also remember that ever since the HMS place crash, Chad Knaus has basically run the competition side at HMS, and it seems that he's always had it out for Gordon, to the point where they admit that whatever info sharing was going on stopped when Knaus saw that Gordon could take their title in 2007, and they never really shared information the rest of the time Gordon's team was in the same shop with the #48 team after that. " I'm pretty sure Ken Howes is the director of competition at Hendrick. And about information sharing, that works two ways. If the #48 stopped giving info to the #24, then the #24 also stopped giving information to the #48. "Anyone else surprised by all the violent hatred toward KP ever since he made his Danica comments?" Define "violent hatred," because I haven't seen anyone saying things like they wish he would die or suffer injury in a crash. "Where we are at now, Brad must be embraced." I could agree with you if it was based solely on what happens on the track, but Brad has a bad habit of complaining about something every time he opens his mouth, and rarely do his complaints even make sense. I think NASCAR can do better, but it all depends on how the young guys in the sport develop. The two that immediately come to mind for me are Ricky Stenhouse and Kyle Larson, but they both will need to develop A LOT to earn the necessary respect. If Brad matures, I'd be willing to give him a second chance, but I can't see him as an ambassador for the sport as of now. "You guys are kidding yourselves if you believe Robby Gordon was as talented the elite guys in Cup history or even todays Cup. He ran races with teams that were competitive and still his best ever season was 4 Top 5 finishes with 2 road coarse wins where you're either good or you're not. He wasn't even on the same level on the road as Gordon, Stewart, Montoya or Ambrose and no one considers the latter two "elite" talents. It takes being good at more than one type of track to be considered a great talent. Ambrose is a threat to win every time we go road racing and junk everywhere else and like I said no one is proclaiming him a could have been cup champion." Robby Gordon did not run with competitive teams, he drove for SABCO in the late 90s (after Kyle Petty was gone and before Chip Ganassi bought the team), a dying Morgan-McClure team for 5 races, Jim Smith for 2 races, Richard Childress in the #31 which never had equal treatment as the #3/#29 until Burton came along (plus there was a significant adjustment period as Richard started up the #30 team that took away from the other two teams), and his own team again. And to say Robby wasn't at the same level on the road as some of the drivers you mentioned is fairly ridiculous. He led laps in 6 straight Watkins Glen races, 2 of them in his own crappy cars. He led 48 laps in one of his cars in 2007 before finishing 2nd. Most years, his cars just broke. And Robby was very talented on ovals, while Ambrose hasn't shown much on them. He's won at Loudon and had well earned top 5s at Richmond and Darlington. The problem here is that people like you actually seem to believe he drove good race cars when he never actually did, in addition to his lack of focus (running Indy, Baja, etc.) and general instability. 784. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You're the revisionist. It's obvious you think Jimmie is the greatest driver ever and you have lied about and insulted every person on this board in your vehement 'defenses' of him. This board does not welcome people whose mission is to cause strife. 785. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I double-checked. I found the exact quote, but as you said wrong race. A mistake doesn't make for 'revisionism' though since the quote stands. 786. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree Brad needs to refine his public approach a bit, but he also needs to get a little better across the board on track despite his championship, much like Earnhardt after '80. He still had a lot of growing to do. Hell, although he peaked statistically in '86 and '87, he didn't really peak as a driver until '90-'96, until his Dega wreck. In those years, he truly got the most out of what he had, and had completely mastered when to be aggressive and when to chill out a bit, and had completely mastered the cerebral game like nobody before or since. Throw in his hardly rivaled talent, unparalleled racing instincts, determination to win, and the fact he was in his prime, that was truly Dale's best stretch as a driver. Still would have loved to see what he could have done at the end of '96 if he were healthy once Jeff and DJ started fading. Before his Dega wreck, his equipment may have been fading, but he was still Dale Earnhardt. Know how I always say nobody smells blood in the water in a race like Jeff? Nobody smelled blood in the water in a title fight like Dale. Would have been fun to see. Seeing as how Bristol '95, Rockingham '96, and later Bristol '99 showed he was willing to be as nasty as ever, I can envision Terry, Jeff, and DJ getting Intimidated. 787. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff may have gotten Intimated points wise, but on the track he had no fear. How much do you think NASCAR might have slipped these part-time teams to spread out their schedules so that there is always at least 43 cars? 788. JG24FanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Anyone else surprised by all the violent hatred toward KP ever since he made his Danica comments?" Anybody who has a win in the World 600,Watkins Glen,3 Rockingham wins from the pole,Pocono,Dover and two Top 5 finishes in the points standings has a right to criticize a driver that gets all the attention in the world,and every imaginable excuse for being less than mediocre. This is the age of manufactured drama,and that's all it is. 789. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Racing Reference's next great rivalry: NicoRosbergFan vs. NoLongerAnonymous!! Don't miss it!! The ongoing verbal battles between them!! NRF and NLA are always at odds, folks, so don't miss a second!! 790. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You're the revisionist. It's obvious you think Jimmie is the greatest driver ever and you have lied about and insulted every person on this board in your vehement 'defenses' of him. This board does not welcome people whose mission is to cause strife." I don't need you to speak for me. While I think Johnson is the best driver right now, I don't think he is the best driver ever (that's Earnhardt in my opinion). I don't even think Johnson is better overall than Jeff Gordon, but I do think he's better now. When have I lied about or insulted anyone on this board? Actually, that's mighty strong for someone who goes around labeling everyone he disagrees with a "troll" to say. I'm sorry you can't handle talking with people who don't agree with you on everything. So much for this site being about intelligent discussions and conversation, right? What have I done to cause strife? By respectfully disagreeing with people? I have not personally attacked or insulted anyone, I have only come here to have discussions about racing, current and past, that's it. I thought that was what these comment boards were for. You misstated several things, such as blaming Johnson for a wreck that he had pretty much no responsibility for, the year and event a certain quote relates to, and you mentioned a 2009 Richmond incident which I can find no evidence of having ever happened. If that's not revisionism, then I'm sorry for saying that. 791. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If you look at Kyle's career, he did pretty good for what he had to drive. 792. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I understand that no one likes Johnson, but why Newman??? All I can think of are the (very valid) comments he made about restrictor plate racing." I agree with Newman on his thoughts on plate racing, and I totally admire his old school style and "race hard every lap mentality", but his personality has always irritated me. From what I've seen he's very similar to Johnson in that he never owns up to any mistake he makes. It's always somebody else's fault. There's also the "modern day Geoff Bodine" comparison that DSFF references a lot. I'm sure he can tell you more about that. "his lack of focus (running Indy, Baja, etc.) and general instability." Yeah, to me this is one of the biggest reasons why Robby was never all that successful in Nascar. Not so much racing in the other disciplines, but rather the overall distractions that he brought on himself. He could never let anything go. There are a ton of examples of him burning down a forest just to pay somebody back for making even the slightest contact with him. People over the years have given Harvick and Stewart crap for also having this quality (and rightfully so - not until recently have these two mellowed out a bit), but I think Robby was definitely on par with them for the "Most Ridiculous and Unnecessary Fights" award. The other thing about him is that he just couldn't drive for anyone other than himself. He couldn't stand to have someone else be his boss it seemed like. Had he stuck around with RCR instead of forming his own team, he would have been there for their resurgence season in 2006. I would have been interested to see how he would have done that year. His 2001-2004 RCR run was when they were in their clustered post-Earnhardt years where their whole organization (including the race cars) turned to garbage. So with fast RCR cars in 2006, I think he would have put up some comparable numbers with Burton and Harvick. So yeah, the bad equipment he had in his career was a big part of it, but Robby was also his own worst enemy for pretty much all of his career. Unfortunately, his (for the most part) underwhelming Cup career can largely be blamed on himself. 793. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I said I made a mistake. Read the post. I remember Mark Martin blaming that Duels wreck on Johnson. In case you didn't notice, I said I found the race I was thinking of. It was 2010 Talladega, so I was one race and one year off. If you can't accept that I said I had the right incident but wrong race in my head, I can't change that. 794. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) " 788. JG24FanForever posted: "Anyone else surprised by all the violent hatred toward KP ever since he made his Danica comments?" Anybody who has a win in the World 600,Watkins Glen,3 Rockingham wins from the pole,Pocono,Dover and two Top 5 finishes in the points standings has a right to criticize a driver that gets all the attention in the world,and every imaginable excuse for being less than mediocre. This is the age of manufactured drama,and that's all it is. " Stats man! 795. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While I have disagreed with about 85% of what NLA has said since he's made himself "un-anonymous", he's certainly not a troll. Hell, I think it's kind of nice that we have someone on here now that is a bit more pro-Johnson than the rest of us. Hopefully it will continue to create more stimulating (and classy, right guys?) discussion. 796. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Racing Reference's next great rivalry: NicoRosbergFan vs. NoLongerAnonymous!! Don't miss it!! The ongoing verbal battles between them!! NRF and NLA are always at odds, folks, so don't miss a second!! " David, when I finally go on that global gorilla press slam spree, I will make sure I stop at your house. And don't hide. I WILL find you. I will also find DSFF and NLA so that I can shake their hands and say "Agree to disagree?" 797. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I said I made a mistake. Read the post. I remember Mark Martin blaming that Duels wreck on Johnson. In case you didn't notice, I said I found the race I was thinking of. It was 2010 Talladega, so I was one race and one year off. If you can't accept that I said I had the right incident but wrong race in my head, I can't change that." That's fair enough. The 2010 Talladega incident looked like a kamikaze move by Johnson, which was stupid but I don't think he meant to wreck anyone. As for the Duels wreck, I think I remember that Mark Martin interview and I was wondering why he blamed Johnson, I guess he hadn't seen the replay yet. 798. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, seriously. NLA, agree to disagree? 799. jabber1990 posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate to beat a dead horse that is decompsing and being eaten by flies, as as you all know im either away from the computer or saying stupid crap on here I just realised, Danica isn't nowhere near the marketing tool that Kyle Petty thinks she is...we still dont know what GoDaddy.com is 800. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've reread some of my posts and realized that I came across as being a bit abrasive in some of them and I'm sorry for that. It was never my intention to be a troublemaker around here, I just saw it as a good place for having discussions about racing. From now on I'll try to tone things down a little. And NicoRosbergFan, I really have nothing against you, I just disagree with you on a lot of things apparently. It still miffs me a little that you called me a troll, but I guess I can see why you would think that. So really, no hard feelings. 801. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey, seriously. NLA, agree to disagree?" Definitely. 802. jabber1990 posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) also on the "JJ must be cheating because his car was too fast" ok, lets first assume he's cheating (becasue his crew cheif is Chad Knaus) but also, he had a huge dent in his car that possibly helped him, it made the nose slighty smaller giving him more downforce. 803. jabber1990 posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) knowing me, I probably wrote a story about that, a multi-car team would try to wreck its cars early in the race just so they can rebuild them and make them barley legal so that they are faster than the rest (also to get the car on the highlight reel, free advertising for the sponsor. as well as syphathy if it didn't work out. oh we're sorry your car crashed *buys stuff*) 804. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NLA, I think Howes may be the Director of Competition in name only, because Knaus is really the one calling the shots, and has been for a long time. And you say that when the information sharing between the #24 and #48 stopped, it went both ways. No it didn't. Knaus was sharing the information with the #24 team most of the year, but what did the #24 team have to share with the #48? As far as I know, the #24 team had nothing the #48 could use, and the same applies today with the #88 team. Remember that Steve Letarte has a number of strengths as a crew chief, but knowledge about the setup of cars has never been one of them. Letarte has always relied on the #48 team for their setups, and Knaus knew that, so when, in one crewman's words, Knaus stepped on the "information spicket", it adversely affected the #24 team, since they got their setups from the #48 team, but it did not affect the #48 team in an adverse way, since they already had the setups. 805. Baker posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) NLA, You are the biggest hypocrite on the site if you believe what you just said. "Robby Gordon did not run with competitive teams, he drove for SABCO in the late 90s (after Kyle Petty was gone and before Chip Ganassi bought the team), a dying Morgan-McClure team for 5 races, Jim Smith for 2 races, Richard Childress in the #31 which never had equal treatment as the #3/#29 until Burton came along" You harp on everyone who believes that Jimmie Johnson is getting superior cars to Jeff Gordon and the rest of HMS then you have the nerve to defend you laughable Robby Gordon is great argument with his 31 equipment wasn't as good as the #29. 806. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David, when I finally go on that global gorilla press slam spree, I will make sure I stop at your house." My previous comment was based on rather nasty insults (by you, mostly). I had no idea that the rivalry would last shorter than a Pirelli tire. *rimshot* "And don't hide." Why should I? "I WILL find you." I think you're bluffing. "NASCAR's had long seasons from the start and it should stay that way. November through February sucks for race fans." Amen!! "It was never my intention to be a troublemaker around here" You haven't been. 807. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, I BELIEVE what he said. If that doesn't say it all, then there's no hope for this world. 808. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, I am still coming to find you. Eventually. There are only oh-so many teenage David's in Kansas, and very few of them like racing. Why am I coming after you? Because you forgot something VERY VERY important. #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 809. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If that doesn't say it all, then there's no hope for this world." I thought that went out the window already. "You can be my adopted son:)" Hmmm, I think I'll pass. My own father is great, in spite of the fact that he's not a huge fan of NASCAR (he does have a favorite, though; Mark Martin). 810. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NLA, You are the biggest hypocrite on the site if you believe what you just said. "Robby Gordon did not run with competitive teams, he drove for SABCO in the late 90s (after Kyle Petty was gone and before Chip Ganassi bought the team), a dying Morgan-McClure team for 5 races, Jim Smith for 2 races, Richard Childress in the #31 which never had equal treatment as the #3/#29 until Burton came along" You harp on everyone who believes that Jimmie Johnson is getting superior cars to Jeff Gordon and the rest of HMS then you have the nerve to defend you laughable Robby Gordon is great argument with his 31 equipment wasn't as good as the #29." If you disagree with me, that's fine, but I don't think I'm a hypocrite because those are two different teams and two completely different situations. 811. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Anyone remember that Simpsons episode when the teachers went on strike, so Edna K and Principal Skinner, who are furious at each other, are brought together to hash out an agreement, but they refuse to agree on anything. Somebody (Marge possibly?) said "can't you agree to disagree" to which each Edna K and Skinner say "I don't agree to that". Funny stuff. I've always compared Newman to Bodine because each thinks they are the smartest person in any room and carry themselves like some sort of intellect, even though each sounds dumber and dumber the more they try to sound smart. Of course the difference is Bodine could drive circles around Newman. 812. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NLA, I think Howes may be the Director of Competition in name only, because Knaus is really the one calling the shots, and has been for a long time. And you say that when the information sharing between the #24 and #48 stopped, it went both ways. No it didn't. Knaus was sharing the information with the #24 team most of the year, but what did the #24 team have to share with the #48? As far as I know, the #24 team had nothing the #48 could use, and the same applies today with the #88 team. Remember that Steve Letarte has a number of strengths as a crew chief, but knowledge about the setup of cars has never been one of them. Letarte has always relied on the #48 team for their setups, and Knaus knew that, so when, in one crewman's words, Knaus stepped on the "information spicket", it adversely affected the #24 team, since they got their setups from the #48 team, but it did not affect the #48 team in an adverse way, since they already had the setups." You may have a point there, but I'm not sure how much information sharing really helped either Gordon or Johnson. Johnson's driving style is suited for loose race cars, while Gordon's style is more suited for a neutral or tight car. I'm sure if they were sharing before, it was limited to very basic setup components and most of the setup had to be derived independently for each driver. Gordon and Kahne are more comparable in driving styles so it makes sense that they would be in the same shop now. 813. Chives5150 posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've always compared Newman to Bodine because each thinks they are the smartest person in any room and carry themselves like some sort of intellect, even though each sounds dumber and dumber the more they try to sound smart." I honestly think that Newman's engineering background at Purdue has gone to his head. 814. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I've always compared Newman to Bodine because each thinks they are the smartest person in any room and carry themselves like some sort of intellect, even though each sounds dumber and dumber the more they try to sound smart. Of course the difference is Bodine could drive circles around Newman." That's a fair comparison. I really thought Newman was going to be a great driver after his first two seasons, but I guess I underestimated just how much of their success was due to Penske's epic fuel mileage in 2003. I guess he does try too hard to act intelligent sometimes, though I never really paid much attention. He probably thinks because he's got an engineering degree and all that he's better than everyone else. It's a nice accomplishment, but ultimately it doesn't mean anything when you're behind the wheel. By the way, how many other drivers have college degrees? I wouldn't think it could be too many. 815. The Long Shot posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "David, when I finally go on that global gorilla press slam spree, I will make sure I stop at your house. And don't hide. I WILL find you." I'm probably next on the list, as I've smart-assed Nico one too many times. So, in other words, I smart-assed him once. *rimshot* #nonsatiricaljokesonRR "David, I am still coming to find you. Eventually. There are only oh-so many teenage David's in Kansas, and very few of them like racing." Well, when you do attempt to find him, give me a call. Using my oh-so-fantastic Google search skillz (emphasis on the "z"), I already located his Twitter and Youtube accounts, so I could narrow your search quite easily for you. "You can be my adopted son:)" Never mind the fact that there's only a 14 year age gap between you two. And Baker, just shut the f*** up about Jimmie Johnson. You can make intelligent comments about almost any other driver, but when it comes to Johnson, you just go insane. You've wished for his death, you've wished for him to be injured, and you call out anyone who praises Jimmie even a little bit. Real classy. 816. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, shut the hell up NLA and I closed that door. We don't want to go there. NLA, I accept your apology and apologize myself for getting so outraged at nothing. It's the same for all of us: the worse life is, the meaner our comments become. We're humans. Shock-horror! 817. The Long Shot posted: 07.01.2013 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "My previous comment was based on rather nasty insults (by you, mostly). I had no idea that the rivalry would last shorter than a Pirelli tire. *rimshot*" Or a TRD engine. Or Jeff Gordon's luck. *double rimshot* 818. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Gordon is still 2-3 MPH slow on the fast tracks, NLA. I actually think Kahne's driving style mirrors Jimmie Johnson's more than you think, because they both seem to like loose racecars. And you mention that you underestimated how Ryan Newman's wins seem to have been based off Penske's "epic fuel mileage". Don't you mean the oversized fuel cells Penske was running, and their ability to get it past the inspectors, because they were going longer on a tank o fuel because they could get more in than any other team because their fuel cell was over the legal limit of 22 gallons at that time, often carrying over 23 gallons, and some thought they were carrying as many as 24 gallons when the tank was full. 819. Baker posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Baker, shut the hell up NLA and I closed that door. We don't want to go there. NLA, I accept your apology and apologize myself for getting so outraged at nothing. It's the same for all of us: the worse life is, the meaner our comments become. We're humans. Shock-horror! " What are we talking about here? Last I knew we were talking about Robby Gordon whereas this post sounds like something between Nico and NLA. 820. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also worth mentioning, in the He drick Beyond 200 SPEED documentary (aka The Revisionist History of HMS) they touched on the title fight in '96 between the 5 and the 24, and Jeff stated then that the flow of information between the two teams stopped when the battle got close. I don't mean to pick on Jeff, but it sounds like his go to excuse for getting beat by his teammates. Again, I just don't buy that an organization like HMS, with as many smart organizational minds there, would allow for one guy to just call all the shots and sabatoge the other teams they house. And if they are able to, good for the 48 team for pulling off that miracle and guys like Jeff are getting what they deserve if they will just roll over for the 48 like that. The whole thing just makes no sense. As has been mentioned, Jimmie is by far the least marketable driver under the HMS umbrella, and has caused obvious harm to the entire sport. This is an area HMS i 821. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry my post abruptly ended, had to go do some cpr. I'm not kidding. 822. murb posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really thought Newman was going to be a great driver after his first two seasons, but I guess I underestimated just how much of their success was due to Penske's epic fuel mileage in 2003." I thought the exact same thing. Back then I would have bet you anything that Newman would have a much better career than Jimmie Johnson (his fellow 2002 rookie - this was actually a pretty underrated rivalry back in those days). I thought that Newman would end up as the driver of the decade and end up with multiple championships, and I thought that Jimmie would always just be a wingman type of driver. Obviously, the exact opposite happened. Jimmie started a dynasty, and Newman has always been a #2 driver. 823. Eric posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NoLongerAnonymous, I know that former drivers Brett Bodine and the late 1992 cup champ Alan Kulwicki had college degrees. Dale Earnhardt Jr. actually has an associates degree in automotive technology that he got from a community college. Austin Dillon actually is attending High Point University on a part time basis. High Point University is a private Liberal arts university. Rather or not if he actually get a degree is something I don't know. The fact is NASCAR drivers that went to college, but dropped out like in the case of Kevin Harvick, Carl Edwards (although he might still be taking one class each semester online for trying to get a degree in interdisciplinary studies with concentrations in psychology and anthropology.) 824. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In that particular case (1996) DSFF, Ray Evernham (Jeff Gordon's crew chief) was the one calling the shots on the competition side of HMS, so I agree that some of the information was not being shared between the 5 and 24 teams, and the bitterness between those two teams carried over to 1997. In fact, the week before the fall race at Talladega, Gary DeHart (Terry Labonte's crew chief) quit because of the falling out he had with Evernham, which could be traced back to the 1996 title chase. Randy Dorton, the organization's engine builder, took over as Terry's crew chief at Talladega, and that race at Talladega was the only race Terry won that year. They don't like to admit it at HMS, but there's always been a great deal of tension between the teams over there ever since they became a multi-car effort way back in 1986. That has been seen over and over again through the years. Remember that Geoff Bodine lost his crew chief when the decision was made to start a second team with Tim Richmond in 1986, and ever since then, there always seemed to have been a mistrust between teams at HMS, no matter the era or the driver(s). 825. cjs3872 posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But drivers that were also engineers always seemed to be a little more arrogant, going all the way back to Mark Donohue, so it's no surprise that guys like Donohue, Geoff Bodine, Ryan Newman, and Alan Kulwicki always seemed to be a little more arrogant than their peers, because that's seemingly in their nature. 826. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why am I coming after you? Because you forgot something VERY VERY important. #nonsatiricaljokesonRR" It's my creation, I can use it when I want. Besides, I wasn't sure where to put it without it looking out of place. "There are only oh-so many teenage David's in Kansas, and very few of them like racing." You're telling me?? "Using my oh-so-fantastic Google search skillz (emphasis on the "z"), I already located his Twitter and Youtube accounts, so I could narrow your search quite easily for you." Pshh, I'll bet. 827. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Or Jeff Gordon's luck." What luck? 828. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jeff Gordon's luck is as nonexistent as a undamaged car driven by Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. *rimshot* Jeff Gordon's luck is as nonexistent as Danica Patrick's driving talent. *rimshot* Jeff Gordon's luck is as nonexistent as the #48 team's NASCAR-issued rulebook. *rimshot* Jeff Gordon's luck is as nonexistent as Geoff Bodine's ability to express intelligence. *rimshot* #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 829. David posted: 07.01.2013 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Should be "an undamaged car...". 830. cjs3872 posted: 07.02.2013 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As I said David, it appears that Jeff Gordon's luck has passed over to Dale, Jr., given what's happened to him in recent races, especially at Kentucky, when he ran over the carcass of Denny Hamlin's first blown tire while leading, and his that tire with the worst possible part of his car, the front grill. Gordon hasn't really had much of that kind of luck this year, and he's been able to overcome the setbacks he's had in the last two races. I don't consider what happened to him to be horribly bad luck, since he basically did that to himself with a slow qualifying run (I still don't think he would have contended with his teammates anyway since his car was 2-3 MPH off their pace), and his crew chief, normally one of the poorest race callers in the sport's recent history, stole a third place finish at Dover with the help of a timely caution with a car that was barely able to stay in the top dozen. But it looks like Jeff Gordon's freakishly bad luck now belongs to Dale, Jr., least for the moment. 831. 13 posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I know most of you say jeff gordon has the worst luck, but i believe Mcmurray needs that title hes had top 10 runs in seems like all but 3 or 4 races and never got them put together 832. Paul posted: 07.02.2013 - 2:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with Baker that you can't say that it's preposterous to believe that Jimmie has superior equipment to Jeff, while at the same time making excuses for why Robby Gordon ultimately flopped in NASCAR by saying that he had inferior equipment to that of his teammates. For crying out loud, Robby won more than half of RCR's total Cup victories in 2003. Unequal equipment my ass. Often times I'm right there with you guys on disagreeing with Baker's posts, but he was right on the money with that one. Also, notice how each of Baker's comments had between 2 and 6 thumbs down each time, and yet he hasn't complained once. A few of you guys could take lessons from him about letting that silliness wash off you like water on a duck's back the way he has. As for this idea concerning Brad Keselowski some day being the spokesperson for NASCAR, while that sounds great on paper considering how he busted his ass to get where he is today and isn't afraid to speak what he feels is the truth on any given issue, I'd rather not be represented by a driver who points the finger at other teams for their tactics to obtain a competitive advantage over his team considering the shady history of Penske Racing over the years. Not only that, but his performance has fallen off so much over the past few months that not only is he out of the Chase, but his bust of a teammate has now surpassed him in points halfway through his defending championship season. Maybe some day Brad will be "the guy," but he's shown over the past season that he's still got a lot of growing up to do before he can take up that role. 833. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.02.2013 - 6:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look, there is NEVER equal equipment sharing in teams. There is always a 'pet'; look at F1, sports cars, IndyCars... it happens in every other series so why not NASCAR? You really think that the 11 isn't getting shafted because Kenseth and Busch are still in Chase contention? 834. jabber1990 posted: 07.02.2013 - 9:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) has anyone heard about Whelen is coming over to sponsor the European Series? 835. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.02.2013 - 10:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Yes, I have. Lesson for the day: toilets explode. 836. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:03 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) At precisely 12:00 PM today, we will be halfway through 2013. Also, happy 76th birthday to Richard Petty! Sam Hornish, Jr.'s birthday is also today. 837. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, happy 74th birthday to Bill Seifert! I'm less than two months away from turning 20 AND my first semester a college senior... the juniors are turning 21 this semester... I feel young and old. 838. Baker posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven't seen him post on here in a good while, but Happy Birthday to Spanny as well! And Welcome home from his Honeymoon. Poor guy joined me in the married club June 22nd. 839. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm less than two months away from turning 20 AND my first semester a college senior... the juniors are turning 21 this semester... I feel young and old." Sheesh, did you enter college when you were 16 or something? Well, David's less than 2 months away from turning 16, and I'm less than 2 months away from turning 15. We should call ourselves "the boys of summer". And while I'm at it, for the fantasy players, Nationwide and Truck standings are already finished, so I'll be posting them on Nico's blog page shortly. Cup standings will take a while longer because there are/were so many more players, but expect them before the end of the week. 840. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sheesh, did you enter college when you were 16 or something?" Of course he did. He's got legendary brains. "We should call ourselves "the boys of summer"." In light of the recent "Great Racing Reference HTML Incident of 2013", I'm sure other people are calling us three a few more names than that. Off the record, of course. 841. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was 17 when I entered college, actually... because I was born in August, I barely made the cut lines to get into the grade levels. So I entered college when I 17 and turned 18 on the 28th, but a week or two later the other freshmen started turning 19 :P 842. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's also Roger Hamby's and Kyle Martel's birthdays today. Hamby turns 70 and Martel turns 26. 843. 13 posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Happy Birthday to "The King" Richard Petty, personally my opinion the best driver ever. 844. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.02.2013 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^According to the fans. According to the 'fahns' it's Dale Earnhardt, only because the media harps on Dale Earnhardt and suppresses Richard (although there is plenty of footage of him racing). Exception is DSFF, who thinks it's Dale because he decided himself after much of his own research. 845. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.02.2013 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, David's less than 2 months away from turning 16, and I'm less than 2 months away from turning 15. We should call ourselves "the boys of summer"." That's funny, because I too will be turning 16 in August. I just got my issue of Racer Magazine, and I found out that IndyCar plans to have an Indy 500 pole speed faster than Arie Luyendyk's 1996 record for the 100th running of the Indianapolis 500 in 2016. 846. cjs3872 posted: 07.02.2013 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) And 13, as great a driver as Richard Petty was, he's an even better person. They may call him "The King" because of his on-track exploits, but what he's done off he track, especially in promoting the sport and how he treats the fans would, by itself, also earn him that nickname. If ever there was an athlete that ever deserved and lived up to the name "The King", it is Richard Petty, and that includes Arnold Palmer, who did exactly for his sport what Richard Petty did for his. Both are referred to in their respective sports as "The King", and they've rightly earned that moniker, not just because of their performance in the sport, but what they've done to promote their respective sport, in addition to their treatment of the fans. And both Palmer and Petty were sporting contemporaries of each other. 847. cjs3872 posted: 07.02.2013 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) I hope not SpeedWorld97, because if that's the case, at least one driver will almost certainly die at Indianapolis because that's too fast to be going around that track. In fact, the last two times that the one and four-lap track records have been set are also the last two occurrences of drivers being killed there during the month of May, and I don't think that's any co-incidence. Let them race at the speeds they currently race at, because they can race at those speeds safely, and maybe add 1-3 MPH to it. But to add another 10-12 MPH to it will only prove disastrous. The reason they set the race record this year was a lack of cautions, because for all the passing that took place, this year's Indianapolis 500 was actually a pretty restrained race without all the risky and dangerous moves (re: blocking) often seen there. 848. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really, SpeedWorld? What day? 849. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.02.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, the 29th. 850. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And cjs3872, it appears to be part of Derrick Walker's plans for IndyCar going as far into the future as 2021, which includes many aero-configuration upgrades from the current one. Also, it appears that the plan to break the previous record will be just that one time in 2016, but I agree that it shouldn't be attempted at all. We've seen what can happen when a DW12 chassis hits the wall at Indy (Ed Carpenter on pole day last year, Conor Daly in practice this year). Imagine those same kinds of hits 10-15 mph faster. 851. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Halfway through 2013! 852. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was halfway through 2013 71 minutes ago. 853. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the record, that post was meant to be at 1:00 P.M., which would have been 12:00, our time. I actually started it at 12:00, but it didn't post until 12:01. 854. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Happy birthday to the most underappreciated RACER in NASCAR history, Richard Petty. Yes, that is right, imo the most underappreciated driver we've had is The King himself. "He has all those numbers, but he didn't have the competition back in the day", "he ran so many more races than anyone else", "he had that wing that powered him to so many wins", "a lot of times he won by over a lap so the racing must not have been very good back then" and a bunch of other myths that are thought by many to be the truth, but in reality are complete bullshit. I'll do a complete "Richard Petty myth buster" post sometime this week. Also, I wanna say I hope Lynda is doing alright. One thing I was struck by in the ultimate "warts and all" documentary on SPEED about Richard was his love and care for Lynda. 855. murb posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy Birthday to The King. 76 and still going strong. I'll have to pull out some of my several #43 diecasts and put them on display today in honor of him. 856. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.02.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy birthday to The King, Richard Petty. I nearly got his autograph on my 1979 #43 STP diecast of his at the Richmond May race in 2010, but I at least got to get a picture of him and see him in person. A true class act. 857. Baker posted: 07.02.2013 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, I'm not on the myth side of things for Petty and I am not here to put him down, but I do think his career stats IN COMPARISON to the other great are a little exaggerated. Even taking away Petty's last 231 starts after he won his 200th race his win percentage isn't as high at Herb Thomas's who in my opinion is the real most underappreciated driver in NASCAR history. The King is without question The King I just feel like he was not really that much greater than everyone else like certain stats indicate. Greater, yes, but not by the astronomical amount it looks like. 858. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Happy 76th birthday to Richard Petty, without a doubt the most dominant NASCAR driver of all time. I can't believe how active he still is in the sport, even at his age. Also, a happy 32nd birthday to "Sideways" Sam Hornish. SpeedWorld, if I remember correctly, David was born on the 25th, NicoRosbergFan was born on the 28th, and I was born on the 23rd. It's kind of spooky how close our birthdays are to each other. Yep, we're the boys of summer, alright (although I'm sure people are calling Nico, David, and I the "Triplet HTML Coding Douchebags"). To make my point about IndyCar raising the speeds, I agree with cjs that it is a terrible idea. In attempting to raise interest in their respective series by raising the speeds of their cars, both IndyCar and NASCAR are showing an obvious disregard for safety. Mark my words, within the next 5 years, we will lose more drivers in crashes unless IndyCar and/or NASCAR does something to reduce the speeds of their cars. And by the way, ARCA driver James Swanson was hospitalized after a serious crash in the ARCA race on Sunday. Swanson was okay, but suffered a dislocated shoulder in the accident. Thank goodness it wasn't more serious. 859. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.02.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So The Long Shot is the 23rd, David is the 25th, I am the 28th, and speedworld97 is the 29th. Wow, that will be the week of hell here in the comments section as we discuss each others birthdays and what not. Yes, Happy Birthday to "The King." There have been many "The King"s in sports, but Richard is the only one who a) has the numbers to back it up, and b) didn't give himself the nickname. 860. murb posted: 07.02.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That does seem like a totally dumb idea to try and raise the speeds for the Indy Cars at Indy just because it's the 100th Anniversary. Obviously the safety is a big proponent of its asinine-ness, but also, instead of worrying about having a record breaking pole speed for that year (seriously, poles and pole speeds are overrated), why not focus on making it the best Indy 500 RACE of all time? 861. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) In non-birthday-related news: The July race at New Hampshire Motor Speedway will now be called the Camping World RV Sales 301. 862. cjs3872 posted: 07.02.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually murb, the 100th anniversary Indianapolis 500 has already happened. It happened in 2011. And NicoRosbergFan, what you accurately state about Richard Petty can also be said about Arnold Palmer, because Palmer was to his sport (golf) what Petty is to his sport (NASCAR), and the great thing is that both are still around and are the same people they were when the dominated their respective sports. Both have the nickname "The King", and in each case, it's a rightfully earned nickname, not just because of what they did in the athletic arena, but also what they did, and continue to do after their retirement. Baker, the biggest reason that Petty's stats are so much over the top has to do with the fact that he got fat off a much larger schedule than you have now. The level of competition wasn't as keen in his day, but the much larger schedule (50+ races as compared to 36 now, and 29 at the time of his retirement) more than the level of competition allowed him to pile up much larger numbers than anyone else. To me, that's what makes Jeff Gordon's numbers so astounding, because he's had to do it in with smaller schedules, yet is third all-time in wins, poles, and top five finishes, and will probably be third in top tens, and may even move up to second in top 5s and top 10s. And Gordon's best years came before the current 36-race schedule, as they came in schedules of 31-33 races. But make no mistake about it, Richard Petty is THE King of stock car racing, not just for what he did on the track, but also for what he's done off it. 863. murb posted: 07.02.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Actually murb, the 100th anniversary Indianapolis 500 has already happened. It happened in 2011." Yeah, obviously I meant to say "100th Running". 864. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.02.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, Herb Thomas is imo the 2nd most underappreciated racer ever, with Red Byron being 3rd. 865. Baker posted: 07.02.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, I respect your opinion, but can you explain why you think Petty is more underappreciated than Herb Thomas? Everyone knows who Richard Petty is and all he accomplished. There are endless amounts of merchandise and promotions that have the Petty name or promote Richard Petty. There are numerous movies, films, documentaries, books and other media forms that are all about Richard Petty and the #43. The names David Pearson, Darrell Waltrip, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Dale Earnhardt, Lee Petty and Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison are always talked about when the greatest come up and they are in every greatest list or brought up every program dealing with NASACAR's past. Even Ned Jarrett, Junior Johnson, Buddy Baker, Fireball Roberts, Tim Flock, Buck Baker, Tim Richmond, Rusty Wallace, Davey Allison, Bill Elliott and Mark Martin are talked about far more often than Herb Thomas. And around these parts even Curtis Turner gets more credit than Herb Thomas. Like I explained before I am not saying he is better or the best I just think he is always and after thought. Hell(Just crossed my mind) of all those names I listed he is the only driver I have yet to find a diecast car. 866. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.02.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pilot Flying J, Michael Annett's sponsor in Nationwide, is now apparently $4 billion in debt. This comes less than a month after an FBI investigation that led to numerous company executives pleading guilty to rebate fraud. The primary owner of the company, Jimmy Haslam, bought the Cleveland Browns last October, and he paid a lot of the up-front costs by having the company issue a $700 million stock dividend. Pilot Flying J does not appear to be even remotely financially stable at the moment and I'd be extremely surprised if they last the season on the #43 Michael Annett car in Nationwide. "I know most of you say jeff gordon has the worst luck, but i believe Mcmurray needs that title hes had top 10 runs in seems like all but 3 or 4 races and never got them put together" You're exactly right. It seems like he's been running up front all season, but Kentucky was his first top 5, it honestly surprised me when I saw that. "I agree with Baker that you can't say that it's preposterous to believe that Jimmie has superior equipment to Jeff, while at the same time making excuses for why Robby Gordon ultimately flopped in NASCAR by saying that he had inferior equipment to that of his teammates. For crying out loud, Robby won more than half of RCR's total Cup victories in 2003. Unequal equipment my ass. Often times I'm right there with you guys on disagreeing with Baker's posts, but he was right on the money with that one." To be fair, Robby won both of those races on road courses at a time when poor equipment could be overcome by driving talent at the road courses. I think you really have to look at the timeline of a team to determine these things. RCR was a single car team with Earnhardt only until they started racing the #31 full time with Mike Skinner in 1997. When Earnhardt died in 2001, Skinner was still in the #31 but Childress was losing patience with him, so Harvick stepped in and sort of became the team's "lead driver" by default. He was due to go full-time in the #30 AOL car in 2002, but instead Jeff Green occupied that ride. After Skinner's injury, Robby Gordon started driving the car and generally performed better than Skinner, to the point that Childress fired Skinner not long after returning from his injury. The entire Childress organization was down for several years beginning in 2002, and unfortunately this coincided with the time Robby Gordon was there. Actually, Jeff Green had the team's highest points finish in 2002 at 17th. But the #29 was still "Dale's old car" and Kevin Harvick is the driver who was the cause/beneficiary of most of the team's constant crew swaps. You can argue one way or the other but ultimately you can't prove anything unless Childress says it himself, but I just very seriously doubt Childress would have wanted either the AOL car or the Cingular car to perform better than the Goodwrench car. I think things started to change when Jeff Burton signed on in late 2004, but again I'm really just speculating. "Poor guy joined me in the married club June 22nd." There's a club? How do I sign up? 867. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.02.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, we actually agree, but there is a misunderstanding in the way I am wording it. Obviously everybody know about The King, loves him, cherishes his presence, and swap stories of meeting him like he is the pope. What I am saying is his accomplishments get downplayed too much, way too many people use bogus "yeah, but...."s when discussing his racing achievements, and most of them are complete crap. As far as overall underappreciation, yes, Herb Thomas is at the top of the list. I am legitimately appalled that the 1956 championship fiasco doesn't get more attention, and Herb isn't at least given co champ honors with Buck, if not given to him outright. What Herb did in a very short amount of time (best winning %, 2, if not 3, championships, 2 runner ups, and 3 Southern 500s which was THE race of the day) is unworldly, and he did it in the true wild west days of NASCAR. And I also agree about die casts. Why is there no #22 Hudson Hornet die cast? IMd buy that in a heartbeat. I just feel too many people use too many excuses as to Richard's success, most of which range from half truths to outright bullshit. After Jeff won at Atlanta 2011 to get win #85 in an EPIC FREAKING RACE, which put him, in the France family's distorted view of things, all alone in 3rd place for all time wins (that distinction actually belongs to Pocono '12, but that is another story for another day), ESPN, to my surprise, put together a nice piece highlighting Jeff's career, but went off the rails in the end when comparing him to the all time greats, some people, most notably racing expert Joey Logano, downplayed The King's accomplishments. That is why I say Richard is the most underappreciated RACER out there. 868. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "There's a club? How do I sign up?" Well, first you have to find a girl who finds you attractive, and to be honest, I'd question the sanity of any girl who finds any one of us attractive. 869. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.02.2013 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol @868! 870. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You never know, some girls are pretty crazy like that. 871. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On second thought, that's exactly your point. Remember when we were all praising the webmaster the other day? Well, when I was compiling my giant list of last-lap passes yesterday, I noticed that several races in 2006 were missing lap leader data. I found said data on Jayski, and posted it on the respective races. Well, they are already up. Impressive work, webmaster! 872. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And on the other hand, I posted qualifying results for a couple of East Series races last week, and they still have yet to be put up. Oh well. He's still the best. Out of curiosity, are there any girls at all on these pages besides Jessica? 873. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think we scared off any and all girls a long time ago, Long Shot. 874. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well then, props to Jessica for having the balls..uh, the, um, guts to stick around. 875. jabber1990 posted: 07.02.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am NOT trying to start anything, but how much of Pettys success came as a result of being talented? how much of it was the result of having the best car, the best engine, the best, well peroid why did Petty Enterprises fall apart in the late 80's and not be as good and was pracitically invisible in the 90's and 2000's? 876. jabber1990 posted: 07.02.2013 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) there are no girls on the internet 877. jabber1990 posted: 07.02.2013 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I dont get why people say 'grow some balls' balls are soft and weak, they should say 'grow a vagina' that thing is meant to take a pounding"-Betty White 878. cjs3872 posted: 07.02.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In retrospect DSFF, it may have been a good thing that the win that, in NASCAR's eyes, put Gordon third all-time was that great duel in the sun with Jimmie Johnson at Atlanta, rather than the tragic race at Pocono where one person was killed and nine others injured by lightning. But not only were they celebrating Gordon going into third on the all-time wins list (again, in NASCAR's view, not mine) at Atlanta that day, but they were also celebrating Gordon becoming the modern-era's career wins leader, which is indisputable, even in NASCAR's eyes. And jabber1990, you don't win seven championships, seven Daytona 500s, and three different Daytona 500s that had at least 48 lead changes (1971, '74, '81) simply by having the best car. That's certainly a part of it. You win it by being a great driver with a great team, and for two years, Petty had the distinction of winning the three most competitive Daytona 500s in history, and for 37 years, he had the distinction of winning the most competitive race ever run at Daytona, which was the 1974 Daytona 500. Petty could win anywhere, any time, and the span of 24 years between his first and last victory is still a record to this day. Petty was a supreme talent behind the wheel, but he may also have been, along with David Pearson, one of the two greatest in-race strategists in the history of the sport, as both knew when to push their cars and, just as important, when not to. 879. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "there are no girls on the internet" I beg to differ. Some of my best friends are girls, and the only way I can usually communicate with them nowadays is through the internet. ""I dont get why people say 'grow some balls' balls are soft and weak, they should say 'grow a vagina' that thing is meant to take a pounding"-Betty White" *rimshot* #nonsatiricaljokesonRRmadebyBettyWhite 880. jabber1990 posted: 07.02.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "there are no girls on the internet" my last 2 or 3 girlfreinds I met on the internet (I say 2 or 3, because im not sure if I eve dated this one girl) and the last 3 girls I ever kissed I met on the internet yes, i've dated girls and kissed them...most people I know are shocked too...too bad I cant get a girlfreind now 881. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""there are no girls on the internet" my last 2 or 3 girlfreinds I met on the internet (I say 2 or 3, because im not sure if I eve dated this one girl) and the last 3 girls I ever kissed I met on the internet" I may be mistaken, but I think you just contradicted yourself, jabber. "yes, i've dated girls and kissed them...most people I know are shocked too...too bad I cant get a girlfreind now" That's what happens when you go over to the Dark Side. *cue Imperial March music* 882. Anonymous posted: 07.02.2013 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Richard Petty may have had the best equipment money could buy, but even his best handling car of his career would be considered the worst handling car in any race the last 20 years. Sure he had the best of the best back then but he still had to drive it. 883. Baker posted: 07.02.2013 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #882 was me forgot my name tag 884. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.02.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Richard really have the best equipment? Those Plymouths and Dodges he drove weren't nearly as aerodynamic as the fastback Cyclones and Torinos, and later the Chevrolets. The only time he ever drove a true aerodynamic car was in 1970 on the big tracks in that Superbird when half the field had winged cars. Richard got all of ONE of his 200 wins with a winged car. Again, don't let the bullshit myths sway you. Besides, even if he did have the best stuff, how much does that help on a quarter mile dirt track? 885. 83andJoe posted: 07.02.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS - Robin Miller has been pounding the drum the last two years that Indy's pole speed needs to be at least 10mph higher than the DW12s have gone. 886. 83andJoe posted: 07.02.2013 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meanwhile, there's 80 cars entered for next weekend's Howie Lettow Memorial 150 at the Milwaukee Mile, including Erik Jones, Travis and Johnny Sauter, Erik Darnell, Joe and John Hunter Nemechek, Matt and Ross Kenseth, David Stremme, Kenny and Steve Wallace, Rich Bickle, Kyle Busch, and David Ragan. 887. cjs3872 posted: 07.02.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That shows what he knows, 83andJoe. The speeds are fine exactly as they are. The last thing that's needed is a dramatic increase in speed, because when that happens, the drivers pay the price, and I can almost guarantee that if they go after the track record there, at least one driver will be killed because there's a limit to how fast a car can go around that track, and in 1996, they reached it. If they try to go faster and beat the track record, it will result in nothing but disaster. History teaches us that. It happened in 1972 and '73, with at least one driver getting killed in each of those years (three total), it happened in 1982 (Gordon Smiley) when the speeds went up from 200 to 207, it happened in 1992 (Jovy Marcelo) when speeds went from 225 to 232, and it happened again in 1996 (1995-'96 pole sitter Scott Brayton) when speeds went from 230 to nearly 240. So if they try to make it so the speeds go up enough to even threaten the track record, someone's likely to pay with their life, and maybe more than one driver, and can you imagine the outcry that would result in a driver losing his life in the race these days, because there's never been a fatality in the Indianapolis 500 since it was first carried live in 1986. And let's not forget that in the years prior to the DW12 car, it was not uncommon to se a car literally blow over in qualifying trim. That happened at least three times that I know of, all of them to previous or future Indianapolis 500 winners. If they want to increase speeds at slow increments, that's one thing, but they can't do it all at once, because that's proven disastrous every time it's happened. 888. Benjamin Lowe posted: 07.02.2013 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Robin Miller needs to STFU IMO. 889. The Long Shot posted: 07.02.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Robin Miller needs to STFU IMO." We've been wanting Brian France to do that for ages, but he just never does. 890. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.02.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, first you have to find a girl who finds you attractive, and to be honest, I'd question the sanity of any girl who finds any one of us attractive." I was being a bit facetious, I'm married already. "there are no girls on the internet" I met my wife on the Internet. I've checked, and confirmed that she is indeed a girl. "I am NOT trying to start anything, but how much of Pettys success came as a result of being talented? how much of it was the result of having the best car, the best engine, the best, well peroid" I agree with this to an extent. He's definitely one of the greatest of all time (up there with Earnhardt, Pearson, and Yarborough in no particular order) but is he really that much better than everyone else to have pretty much double the wins of anyone else to ever drive a stock car if all things were equal? 891. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's see, that makes the list of engaged or married posters on RR to four (along Dave N., Baker, and Smiff_2). 892. David posted: 07.02.2013 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *along with* 893. The Long Shot posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I was being a bit facetious, I'm married already." Wait, how did you do that? How did you find a woman who thought you were attractive? "I met my wife on the Internet." Ah, that explains it. 894. The Long Shot posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) (No offense was meant on that last comment, by the way. Congratulations on your marriage.) 895. joey2448 posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I met my wife on the Internet. I've checked, and confirmed that she is indeed a girl." What'd you do, go out there and lift up the dinosaur's skirts? Also, how bout Kurt Busch's Nationwide car for Friday night at Daytona??? Cole Trickle! 896. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I won't dispute that you're on to something there. And thanks, for all the jokes about the married life, it's not all that bad. 897. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What'd you do, go out there and lift up the dinosaur's skirts?" I didn't have to; dinosaurs don't wear skirts. I'm kidding, of course. "Also, how bout Kurt Busch's Nationwide car for Friday night at Daytona??? Cole Trickle!" Well, he's already done Ricky Bobby, so this is natural for him. 898. murb posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Also, how bout Kurt Busch's Nationwide car for Friday night at Daytona??? Cole Trickle!" So freakin' awesome. Now we need to convince Monster Energy to let Kyle run the Rowdy Burns paint scheme and Discount Tire to let Logano run a Russ Wheeler scheme and we'll be all set. 899. JRacingFast posted: 07.03.2013 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is random but i was just cruising Bristol Motor Speedways website and just saw that the Global Rally Cross is going to be visiting Bristol on July 20th....Now idk about you guys but how in the world are they going to be able to run there but however they will it will be hellova entertaining! 900. 13 posted: 07.03.2013 - 1:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anybody excited to see Winn-Dixie back as a primary sponsor on Trevor Baynes nationwide car this weekend?, when is the last time they were the primary sponsor for a car? 901. New14 & 88Fan posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't mind Kurt winning the N'wide race this weekend just to see that "City Chevy" paint scheme in victory lane. 902. 13 posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where can i view kurts paint scheme 903. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.03.2013 - 5:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Robin Miller needs to STFU IMO. " LMAO 904. Benjamin Lowe posted: 07.03.2013 - 6:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think the time has come to remove Brainless Brian France from Power. 905. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.03.2013 - 7:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok, its official, the Busch family let their kids watch Days of Thunder way too much growing up. Although I have to admit I would love to see that Mello Yello paint scheme that KP picked up and started driving hit the track one more time. He had some awesome freaking paint schemes. The reverse STP scheme early. That 1990 Peak scheme (since The Baroness does Peak commercials nowadays, and in light if Kyle's comments towards her, they should make her run that scheme in a race with Kyle's name on the door), the EPIC Mello Yello scheme taken from Days of Thunder, his '95 and '96 Coors Light schemes respectively, the '96 Protest scheme, and the underrated Hot Wheels car. 906. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 9:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) http://www.jayski.com/news/schemes/2013/nationwide/story/_/page/2013-NASCAR-Nationwide-1-Team-Schemes 907. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 10:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) like I have said before I been trying to release a movie based off an alternate-reality of the same racing stories I have trolled this site about. sorry that ramble seemed relevant, we were talking about movies i'm only going to troll this site with my racing stories (unless you're on your knees begging me to not) the other ones about the superheroes and nudists in World War 3 will only come up if its relevant, not sure how it will be but im sure we'll find some way sorry 908. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I found this picture on the USA Today's website, too bad they cant put the decals on the "headlights" http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/09196JB002_Daytona_500-1024x713.jpg 909. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) and here is the same picture they posted on Jayski https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BON4cvHCAAAjE14.jpg:large 910. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.03.2013 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "like I have said before I been trying to release a movie based off an alternate-reality of the same racing stories I have trolled this site about. sorry that ramble seemed relevant, we were talking about movies i'm only going to troll this site with my racing stories (unless you're on your knees begging me to not) the other ones about the superheroes and nudists in World War 3 will only come up if its relevant, not sure how it will be but im sure we'll find some way sorry " Let me be honest and say you would lose a TON of respect if you post those stories without asking us if we want you to first. 911. The Long Shot posted: 07.03.2013 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @NicoRosbergFan: I have posted the standings for all 3 series (including exhibition) on your NASCAR predictions page. Since I don't have a blog account, would you mind posting a blog that has all the standings in it, just so that people are aware? 912. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.03.2013 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Done 913. Paul posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @900, I think 2003 was Winn-Dixie's last season as a primary sponsor in NASCAR, when they sponsored the #7 Evans Motorsports car in the Busch Series that was primarily driven by Randy LaJoie, followed by the likes of Joe Nemechek and Greg Biffle after LaJoie's mid-season release. They might have sponsored the #27 Baker Curb Racing car afterwards in the later '00s, but I can't remember exactly. They also continued to sponsor the July Busch race at Daytona through the 2008 season. 914. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.03.2013 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Winn-Dixie was also Mark Martin's primary sponsor on his #60 Busch Series car throughout the 1990s. So it's kind of ironic that Winn-Dixie returns with Roush this weekend, the same team Mark drove for. 915. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) which stories are we talking about? any of them? 916. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.03.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cole Whitt drove a Degree/Winn-Dixie #88 last year in the July Daytona race. I guess that doesn't technically count as Winn-Dixie being the primary though. 917. David posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I ran across this website the other day when going through last-lap passes. I found it very interesting and nerdy. 918. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On this date, July 3, 20 years ago, Dale Earnhardt won the 1993 Pepsi 400. But what I found amazing was how Earnhardt had gotten completely sideways in turn two on the final lap and not only gather the car back up, but also be able to block 2nd and 3rd place and hold them off without wrecking half the field. The finish: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6jNWx5nHca0 919. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, jabber, any of them. We have a place where interested people WILL read them, the blog area. E-mail the webmaster and follow his instructions and BINGO! 920. AveryNH posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, I hope Bayne's scheme is a throwback. I'd love to see Mark's old Winn-Dixie colors flying around Daytona like back in the day. Kurt's car looks especially sick as well. Also as a brief side-note, my tickets for the newly named Camping World RV Sales 301 came today!! I'll be viewing this years race from the frontstretch. About five rows up closer to the turn 4 side. Closest I've ever sat at the track is like row 20 so this should be a fun experience. 921. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) since we all know/remember the #60 as the #1 Nationwide car for Roush, is that the car that Pastrana Drives? or is that car now the one that Stenhouse drove and Bayne drives now? if its really Pastrana's car then Bayne needs to look for a job. no offence to Pastrana but Bayne is the most qualified to drive the #1 car, don't worry he has plenty of time to prove to us if he's talented, so far we all still have faith in him 922. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and I assume webmaster@racing-refrence.info is who I contact? 923. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.03.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Johnson the cry-baby Sorry, couldn't resist. 924. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.03.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scroll to the bottom of the page where the blogs are and click on "Become a blogger." 925. cjs3872 posted: 07.03.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AveryNH, it's not a throwback. I've seen the photo of the car, and it doesn't seem to be anywhere near the paint scheme that Mark drove in the Busch/Nationwide Series for Roush. And jabber1990, I see NicoRosbergFan's giving you the exact same instructions to becoming a blogger that he gave me. 926. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.03.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, I saw that article earlier today, and I've come to the conclusion that Johnson just has to whine about something every time he loses a race. It seems like he's slowly turning into Kyle Busch. 927. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.03.2013 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) SLOWLY turning? He's become it already. It's just that he has a cheating crew chief to keep him from being 20 points behind 10th in the standings. 928. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.03.2013 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great find SpeedWorld97. One of many outstanding saves by Dale as he carried his equipment. I didn't click your link, but does it show Dale almost passing out from heat exaustion while doing his victory lane interview? 929. The Long Shot posted: 07.03.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) And funnily enough, while JJ is slowly becoming more and more immature, Kyle Busch is actually becoming, gasp, mature! Never thought I'd live to see the day when Kyle Busch actually sounded mature in an interview, but he's done a good job this entire year of not losing his cool. 930. Baker posted: 07.03.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speedworld, that was hardly completely sideways, but it was extremely impressive non the less. As momentum depended as these cars are at the plate tracks that was truly impressive he was able to gather it up enough to block 2 different attempts to pass him. 931. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.03.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, actually the race is split into 18 parts on YouTube, and the finish is part 17 of 18, so I'm assuming part 18 has the victory lane interview. 932. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.03.2013 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watch Part 18. In the middle of his winners interview he all but passes out, having to lean over his hood as his team quickly brings a cooler for him to sit on, some Gatorade, and an umbrella to shield him from the sun. 933. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.03.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I watched it already. That truly shows how physically tough it was to race in the Daytona July race when it was run in the morning/early afternoon. Almost every year temperatures reached as hot as 95 degrees. I wish they still ran it in the morning, but in today's world it would be much harder than it was 20 years ago. There would have to be negotiations with television networks to air the event live (at one point I think ESPN did same-day delay coverage), the problem with the west coast watching it at 8:00 in the morning, and especially trying to get more than 100,000 to attend a morning race. If there's one night race I wish was rain delayed to the following morning/afternoon, it's this race. 934. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.03.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently, not only will Bayne be driving a Cargill/Winn-Dixie car, but Regan Smith will be driving a Hellmann's/Winn-Dixie car. 935. jabber1990 posted: 07.03.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) damn 95 degreees, and to make it worse the headgame it is now with plates man that would suck 936. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.03.2013 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One year Neil Bonnett won the Firecracker 400 for the Wood Brothers and actually did pass out in victory lane. 937. 83andJoe posted: 07.03.2013 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >at one point I think ESPN did same-day delay coverage [of the Firecracker 400] As I recall, the race wasn't carried live until 1995. 938. cjs3872 posted: 07.03.2013 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That would have been 1979, DSFF, because Bonnett beat Benny Parsons while driving for the Wood Brothers that year. That was actually the Wood Brothers' first big win after the departure of David Pearson. The Wood Brothers have won this race a record nine times, most recently with Buddy Baker in 1983. Others who have won the Firecracker for the Woods include David Pearson (four times, 1972-'74, '78), Cale Yarborough (1967-'68), A.J. Foyt (1965), Bonnett (1979), and Baker (1983). Much like Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart have always done better in the Firecracker 400 than the Daytona 500 (Gordon's led the most laps in this race three times, and he's never done so in the Daytona 500), the Wood Brothers always did much better in the Firecracker 400 than in the Daytona 500, because the track conditions always favored their setups more in July than in February. 939. cjs3872 posted: 07.03.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No 83andJoe, ESPN always carried the Firecracker 400 live. It was ABC that would not carry it live, even in 1988, they I moved to Saturday, they wouldn't air it live, but ESPN always aired it live. They my have shown a condensed replay later, but they carried the Firecracker 400 live. That's one reason why they got the rights to cover the race from ABC Sports in 1989, because they could show it live. Remember that ABC almost never aired sporting events live coast-to-coast back then, so if they had shown it live on the east coast, it still would have been tape-delayed on the west coast. That was always an ABC policy, except for the biggest of events, such as the U.S. Open, the Indianapolis 500 (beginning in 1986), and NFL and post-season baseball games. Even their Monday Night Baseball package was shown in tape delay on the west coast. Even the Brickyard 400 at Indianapolis was shown on tape delay on the west coast in 1996 and '97. 940. David posted: 07.03.2013 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The funny thing is, ABC actually broadcast what was actually the first live flag-to-flag event shown on television, which was a 200 lapper at Greenville-Pickens in 1971. Bobby Isaac won by two laps. The relative lackluster quality of that race, as well as the other races ABC had the misfortune of showing live in part, led them to abandon the live racing experiment and go back to the way it was done before, condensing the races and showing them on Wide World of Sports. 941. cjs3872 posted: 07.03.2013 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, that race was shown live only in the Eastern and Central Time Zones. Those in the Pacific Time Zone got it on either at two or three hour delay, because that was the way is was done back then. ABC always showed their sports programming at the same time on both the east and west coasts. Some places on the west coast, like San Diego, showed it an hour earlier than other west coast cities because their evening news aired an hour earlier than in other cities. But another reason why ABC never showed a race live from start to finish until the mid 80s was that 1971 was the last year that races of that distance were a part of the schedule. They always showed the longer races after it was more than half of it was complete, but they were aired live. The only exception was the Daytona 500, which was shown on Wide World of Sports on a tape delay basis through 1973, but then ABC went live with the Daytona 500 starting in 1974 and showed the first few moments f the race live in 1976, cut away for 90 minutes for Olympic coverage, and then showed the last hour of the race live. But they usually began their coverage of the Daytona 500 he years they did it live with 300 miles complete, which gave them enough time to show and/or document some of what happened earlier, it if was important, and show approximately the last 90 minutes of the race live. The Firecracker 400 and the Southern 500 were always shown on tape delay on ABC, because they were run on weekdays, so ABC would show them on Wide World of Sports the following week in a condensed 60-90 minute format, showing portions of the race that would not be shown on their live telecasts. 942. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.03.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One thing about the Wood Brothers in the Daytona 500, their wins have come with an eclectic group. From 20 year old unknown Trevor Bayne in his second ever Cup start, to last minute substitute Tiny Lund who landed the ride by saving the life of their original driver after he has a horrible wreck in the Sports Car Race, to rising star, soon to be legendary Cale Yarborough, to the already legendary Silver Fox, David Pearson as he added the final jewel to his resume that had been missing, to obscure driver AJ Foyt who won 7 times in 128 starts in a career spanning 30 years. Odd resume, I wonder if, during that span, he was racing in other Series like open wheel. Anyone know? :) 943. JG24FanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had a very "original" idea of making a Top 25 Favorite Nascar Cup drivers list instead of making another "Greatest" list. -1. David Pearson -2. Jeff Gordon -3. Curtis Turner -4. Kyle Petty -5. Tim Flock -6. Bobby Allison -7. Richard Petty -8. Dale Earnhardt -9. Terry Labonte 10. Ned Jarrett 11. Ernie Irvan 12. Junior Johnson 13. Bill Elliott 14. Mark Martin 15. Harry Gant 16. Herb Thomas 17. Dale Jarrett 18. Red Byron 19. Fonty Flock 20. LeeRoy Yarbrough 21. Roy Hall 22. James Hylton 23. Matt Kenseth 24. Buddy Baker 25. Regan Smith 944. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy Independence Day to those in the Eastern Time Zone! 945. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, by the time A.J. won Daytona, he had won 6 USAC titles, and he ran USAC/CART full-time from 58-80. 946. 13 posted: 07.04.2013 - 7:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok I'm gonna make a list of my favs, but i'm only 16 so my list will be absent any older drivers. 1. Trevor Bayne 2. Brad Keselowski 3. Jamie Mcmurray 4. Travis Pastrana 5. Joey Logano 6. jeff Burton 7. Rusty Wallace, i remember his final 2 years would probably be higher but i didnt see him in his prime 8. Regan Smith 9. Danica Patrick, I know guys i know 10. David Ragan 11. Scott Speed 12. Michael Annett 13. Chase Elliott 14. Spencer Gallagher 15. Gray Gaulding 947. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy Independence Day, everybody! 948. Baker posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. Davey Allison 2. Tim Richmond 3. Herb Thomas 4. Tony Stewart 5. Bobby Allison 6. Ernie Irvan 7. Red Farmer 8. Donnie Allison 9. Harry Gant 10. Ward Burton 11. Bobby Hamilton 12. Ward Burton 13. Sterling Marlin 14. Kenny Schradder 15. Ricky Rudd 16. A.J. Foyt 17. Bill Elliott 18. Dale Earnhardt 19. Richard Petty 20. David Pearson 21. Cale Yarborough 22. Brad Keselowski 23. Kyle Petty 24. Mark Martin 25. Alan Kulwicki Hard to rank them all 949. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In researching the NASCAR career of this obscure AJ Foyt guy, I am struck by how many legendary teams and owners he drover for. The Wood Brothers, Junior Johnson, Banjo Matthews, Smokey Yunick, Holman Moody, Ray Nichels, and motorsports legend AJ Foyt, winner of 4 Indy 500s and 7 open wheel titles. How can such an obscure driver land so many legendary rides? :) 950. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, you know where to put it... Amazing career of one of the 2 or 3 most versatile drivers to ever live. When you consider that IndyCar ran the Pikes Peak Hill Climb for 7 years as well as the USAC stock cars for about another 15 years, Mario and A.J. have done open-wheel, midgets, sprint cars, rallying, sports cars, endurance races, stock cars... everything, essentially. 951. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:50 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Not a clue, DSFF. I heard a story once of a famous open-wheel driver, who, curiously enough, once won the Daytona 500, that had to rescue a princess from a deranged ape who was throwing flaming barrels at him. For some reason, I'm blanking on the name. Can anyone help me there? :) 952. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) About those cracker-jack open-wheel driver who came down and dominated the boys at Riverside for 11 years? 953. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 10:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) NicoRosbergFan, I think DSFF is being sarcastic when he referred to A.J. Foyt as an "obscure" driver. In fact, he was the very symbol of racing in this country back in the 60s and early-to-mid 70s, and as bi a figure in his sport as Arnold Palmer, John Unitas, Wilt Chamberlain, Willie Mays, Muhammad Ali were in their respective sports. But you are incorrect about one thing. He had won five championships in USAC at he time of his Daytona 500 win in 1972, not six as you mentioned. He didn't win title #6 until 1975. 954. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 10:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I figured the part about "obscure driver AJ Foyt" once driving for "motorsports legend AJ Foyt" was way too obvious. I was trying to make it sound like an article from The Onion. I remember one time, during one of the Boston Celtics recent trips to the NBA Finals, Larry Bird showed up for one of the games in Boston, and they had a headline that said something like "Space Jam actor Larry Bird spotted at Game 2 of the Finals". 955. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 10:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) cjs, I am NOT dumb. I have every Daytona 500, Firecracker 400, Southern 500, World 600, NASCAR Cup Champion, F1 Champion, and Indy 500s back to 1950 MEMORIZED. I think I know sarcasm when I see it. 956. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, darn. And to think I only know all the Daytona 500s, NASCAR Cup champions, and most F1 champions. The Long Shot, wasn't there also a deranged turtle in there, too? 957. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is a new ratings system that I came up with. I call it the C.G.R. (or "Chances of having a Good Run") system. The highest a driver can score on the system is approximately a 98. 90-98 means "Guaranteed Good Run", 80-90 means "Fantastic Chance at a Good Run", 70-80 means "Great Chance at a Good Run", 60-70 means "Good Chance at a Good Run", 50-60 means "Fair Chance at a Good Run", and anything below 50 signifies a mediocre to poor chance at a good run. To show off the ratings system, here are the C.G.R. ratings for this weekend's Cup race at Daytona. 1. Carl Edwards: 70.930 2. Matt Kenseth: 69.837 3. Clint Bowyer: 69.372 4. Kevin Harvick: 67.512 5. Dale Earnhardt Jr.: 66.977 6. Tony Stewart: 64.419 7. Greg Biffle: 63.558 8. Jimmie Johnson: 62.023 9. Paul Menard: 61.558 10. Kyle Busch: 60.628 11. Joey Logano: 60.163 12. Martin Truex Jr.: 59.605 13. Jeff Gordon: 59.372 14. Denny Hamlin: 59.000 15. Kasey Kahne: 58.441 16. Ricky Stenhouse Jr.: 57.744 17. Kurt Busch: 57.512 18. Brad Keselowski: 57.372 19. Jeff Burton: 57.047 20. Ryan Newman: 55.349 21. Michael Waltrip: 53.651 22. Aric Almirola: 52.326 23. A.J. Allmendinger: 52.163 24. Jamie McMurray: 51.163 25. Juan Montoya: 51.093 26. Scott Speed: 49.302 27. Marcos Ambrose: 47.674 28. David Ragan: 46.116 29. David Reutimann: 45.744 30. Bobby Labonte: 45.744 31. Terry Labonte: 42.558 32. Danica Patrick: 41.791 33. Trevor Bayne: 41.628 34. Casey Mears: 40.302 35. David Gilliland: 39.233 36. Michael McDowell: 34.349 37. Dave Blaney: 32.953 38. Landon Cassill: 31.558 39. Travis Kvapil: 31.326 40. J.J. Yeley: 26.674 41. David Stremme: 24.116 42. Josh Wise: 15.279 43. Joe Nemechek: 14.116 958. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly how does this...algorithm work? 959. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll also post the results for Nationwide (this includes all drivers entered for the race): 1. Joey Logano: 85.175 2. Kyle Busch: 77.925 3. Austin Dillon: 74.250 4. Matt Kenseth: 73.175 5. Elliott Sadler: 70.575 6. Regan Smith: 70.175 7. Alex Bowman: 68.825 8. Parker Kligerman: 67,750 9. Justin Allgaier: 67.325 10. Kyle Larson: 65.075 11. Sam Hornish Jr.: 64.325 12. Brian Vickers: 62.325 13. Ty Dillon: 59.325 14. Kurt Busch: 58.250 15. Nelson Piquet Jr.: 58.250 16. Cole Whitt: 58.000 17. Trevor Bayne: 55.425 18. Brian Scott: 54.175 19. Travis Pastrana: 53.075 20. Brad Sweet: 52.750 21. Landon Cassill: 52.325 22. Reed Sorenson: 50.425 23. James Buescher: 49.700 24. Mike Bliss: 48.925 25. Michael Annett: 47.825 26. Kevin Swindell: 44.325 27. Joe Nemechek: 42.000 28. Jeffrey Earnhardt: 41.325 29. Bobby Gerhart: 40.875 30. Jeremy Clements: 39.425 31. Jamie Dick: 37.750 32. Jason White: 37.250 33. Mike Wallace: 36.750 34. Eric McClure: 35.575 35. Tony Raines: 33.825 36. Robert Richardson: 32.675 37. Blake Koch: 32.675 38. Josh Wise: 24.500 39. Dexter Stacey: 23.175 40. Mike Harmon: 20.175 41. Joey Gase: 20.175 42. Morgan Shepherd: 16.925 43. Jeff Green: 6.325 960. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Long Shot, wasn't there also a deranged turtle in there, too?" As I recall, yes, there was. I also remember that there have been several occasions over the years where the driver (Pac-man, wasn't it?) challenged the turtle, ape, princess, his brother, and pretty much everyone else to races. I can't remember whether he won any, but since he had won the Daytona 500 and the Indy 500 beforehand, my guess is he won quite a lot of them. "Exactly how does this...algorithm work?" That's for me to know and you to find out. I will admit that it's by no means extremely accurate, and it does need a fair amount of touching up. At the moment, I just don't have the time to spend hours attempting to come up with a mind-bending, perfect formula to predict NASCAR races, so this will have to do for now. 961. ch posted: 07.04.2013 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In the latest article on Jayski regarding the Cobb / Harmon matter, it was mentioned as a footnote that JJC's father would be driving her #10 at Eldora. Does anybody know his name, and has he ever raced in Nascar before? 962. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Say, Jennifer Jo and Joe Cobb are from Kansas City... looks David has a girl to win :) 963. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh-ho! Do mine ears deceive me, or are those wedding bells I hear? 964. Eric posted: 07.04.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope your local 4th of July Fireworks is better than the city I live in had last night. The city I live in has lakeside fireworks on July 3rd at Night traditionally. You couldn't see the fireworks at all last night because of how bad the fog was. 965. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.04.2013 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, your system looks interesting but it also looks arbitrary as you don't tell us what you define as a "good run," whether a good run means running well during the race or having a good finish, and how you come up with those numbers. I'm assuming a good run refers to a top 15 or 20 finish just because Paul Menard somehow manages to be in the top 10. Also, the only good run Jeff Green will be having is running from his race car after he parks to whatever form of transportation he'll be utilizing to leave the track. His percentage should be 0.000 unless you're accounting for the possibility that 30 drivers decide to protest the race and only the backmarkers end up competing, or one of the NASCAR the Game: Inside Line trollers steals a driver's uniform and gets in a car and causes mass chaos during the pace laps. Nevertheless, I'd love to know more about the system you've come up with, it looks interesting. 966. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The formula takes the best of either the average running position or finishing position for all relevant recent races, averages them, and subtracts that result from 100. BOOM. Am I right? 967. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "your system looks interesting but it also looks arbitrary as you don't tell us what you define as a "good run," whether a good run means running well during the race or having a good finish, and how you come up with those numbers." I have no official definition of a "good run", but I believe that a good run in this case means finishing in the top third of the field (so about 14th in Cup, 13th in Nationwide, 12th in Truck). "His percentage should be 0.000 unless you're accounting for the possibility that 30 drivers decide to protest the race and only the backmarkers end up competing, or one of the NASCAR the Game: Inside Line trollers steals a driver's uniform and gets in a car and causes mass chaos during the pace laps." I don't have any say in what rating each driver gets. The stats control the ratings 100%, and the stats say that Green deserves a 6.325 rating, so that's what I'm giving him. "The formula takes the best of either the average running position or finishing position for all relevant recent races, averages them, and subtracts that result from 100. BOOM. Am I right?" No, but you're on the right track. 968. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I retract that guess. Some of those numbers can't be obtained using that method. 969. AveryNH posted: 07.04.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Anybody else really depressed hearing Paul Paige covering the Hot-dog eating contest instead of, oh I don't know, MOTORSPORTS!? 970. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I retract that guess. Some of those numbers can't be obtained using that method." If your guess had been correct, then Green would have an average finish of 94th in all recent relevant races, which is rather impossible. But like I said, your guess actually wasn't all that bad. 971. murb posted: 07.04.2013 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Anybody else really depressed hearing Paul Paige covering the Hot-dog eating contest instead of, oh I don't know, MOTORSPORTS!?" I've said it before. That's what BSPN thinks of motorsports and the analysts that cover it. Jack shit. 972. 18fan posted: 07.04.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Paul Page does do drag racing still. 973. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've decided... if Jeff Gordon makes, DSFF has to admit that Richard Petty is better than Dale Earnhardt. 974. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Better yet, Nico...if Joey Logano makes the Chase, DSFF has to give 10 reasons why Dale Jr. is better than his father. 975. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And this doesn't count, DSFF! 1. He isn't. 2. He isn't. 3. He isn't. ...etc. 976. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.04.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Paul Page does do drag racing still." Actually he stopped doing NHRA Drag Racing for ESPN at the end of last year. He still, though works for IMS Radio Network in calling the Indianapolis 500 every year. 977. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looking at the Nationwide practice leaderboard right now. From my observations, here are the tandems that will be working together in tomorrow night's race: Brad Sweet-Regan Smith Parker Kligerman-Austin Dillon Travis Pastrana-Trevor Bayne Kyle Larson-Justin Allgaier Kurt Busch-Ty Dillon Joey Logano-Sam Hornish Jr. Elliott Sadler-Brian Vickers Matt Kenseth-Kyle Busch James Buescher-Nelson Piquet Jr. Brian Scott-Jeffrey Earnhardt Joe Nemechek-Reed Sorenson I don't know about you, but I am super excited for the race tomorrow night. The race back in February might very well have been my favorite race of all-time had it not been for the terrible crash on the final lap. I think this race has very similar potential, so I will be looking forward to it. 978. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh-ho! Do mine ears deceive me, or are those wedding bells I hear?" No...just NicoRosbergFan's getting rung. "I don't know about you, but I am super excited for the race tomorrow night." I am. I would be even more excited if I could see it. 979. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This will be the second consecutive Nationwide July race at Daytona that Dale Earnhardt, Jr. has not entered. That's un-American. 980. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll think of something, stay tuned. Not that it matters cause Jeff WILL make the chase, and anyone who disagrees is wrong. I can do a smart ass Dale Jr Top 10 list. 981. murb posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BoB fastest in Cup practice so far... 982. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I mean that sometime today I can pit together a smart ass Top 10 Dale Jr list. 983. murb posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Practice so far already looks way better than the 500. The guys are actually able to run side by side with each other. I hope the race plays out the same way. 984. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Honestly, I think the 500 this year will end up being an aberration, when all is said and done. 985. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have said this before, the reason for Daytona 500 being such an embarrassment is simple for starters, there was a lack of cars, that issue has been fixed they did regular pre-season testing in January, not long into it they do what they used to do....Crash so they came back for speedweeks with 1 less car and with no knowledge, the drivers do what they do best, figure it out, so crash in practice so, they run the Sprint Unlimited...crash early, so they did nothing for the rest of the race every practice session had a crash, so they came into the 500 not knowing anything, every time they tried something there was a crash, so they just gave up 986. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ And remember, the crash in the Nationwide race the day before probably shook the drivers up enough so that they decided to race more conservatively. 987. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "32. Danica Patrick: 41.791 33. Trevor Bayne: 41.628" #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 988. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Testing 1-2. This is dsff testing a phone I might buy soon. Seeing how the typing works. 989. 18fan posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bob Dillner reported that many teams were found to have modified roof flap spacers in inspection today. Those teams were: McMurray, Keselowski, Ambrose, Hamlin, Mears, Bowyer, Biffle, Stenhouse, Ky. Busch, Kenseth, Logano, Almirola, Waltrip, Truex, and Edwards. That's all of the JGR, Penske, Roush, MWR, and RPM cars, plus the single car Germain team. What is interesting is that McMurray had the modified part, but his teammate Montoya did not. 990. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guys, the problem with the racing at Daytona isn't whether they can race side-by-side. The problem at Daytona is whether or not they'll actually be able to close up enough to even think about making a move, and I doubt they'll be able to because of the shorter rear spoiler. Remember that, with the shorter rear spoiler, the draft as it pertains to getting runs and making passes is far less of a factor because they simply can't close on each other. That was a major reason for the single-file racing in the Daytona 500, and why Matt Kenseth led so many laps at Talladega. If there's a long stretch of green flag racing to the end, the driver leading with 15 laps remaining will be virtually impossible to pass, because with the shorter spoilers, the racing is back to the way it was 10-15 years ago, in that the draft actually works in reverse, actually working against the trailing cars instead of helping them. The only reason the racing near the end of the Daytona 500 was so good was because of the late caution flags. And also, there's virtually no way a Ford can possibly win this race, because they're not fast enough to lead, and in order to win, you have to be able to lead, and the Fords are simply not fast enough n the plate tracks to do that. If you see a Ford driver in second place behind a Chevrolet or Toyota late, especially a Roush Ford, their only chance is to do what Greg Biffle tried to do in the Daytona 500, which is to sit back and try to get alongside the leader off the final corner and hope to beat him back to the S/F line. That's Ford's only shot, unless it's a fuel mileage race, because thy lack the speed to run in the lead. But don't expect very much passing on Saturday night because the cars, especially the shorter spoilers, will prevent it. I certainly don't expect much passing up front. 991. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18fan, if what you say is true, that means that every Ford team, except Front Row Motorsports (which finished 1-2 at Talladega) and the Wood Brothers (who have always been above cheating) were caught. It's also notable that no Hendrick Motorsports car was on that list you brought up, including the Stewart-Haas Racing cars. That means that the Hendrick cars may have a decided advantage because they didn't have to change anything, and he same is true regarding the RCR cars. In fact, every key Ford and Toyota team was on that list you had, but except for the #1 car of Jamie McMurray, no Chevrolet teams were on that list. Doesn't anyone else think that's a bit odd? All the Toyota and Ford teams get caught, but virtually no Chevrolets? That's strange. 992. 18fan posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now the report includes Trevor Bayne's car having the modified part as well. 993. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if this was a "hey, lets try this" and the rumor got around, and NASCAR found it, by this point EVERYONE was already in line, so by then it was too late 994. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to NASCAR the Game's Facebook page, Eutechnyx is making a PC game called "NASCAR the Game: 2013" set to release on July 24. Also, they are making a smartphone game called "NASCAR Redline" set to be released later this year. 995. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or jabber1990, it could have been a case of al the Fords and Toyotas coming there with the exact same kind of car, because they all got caught, but virtually none of the Chevrolets got caught, the one exception being the #1 car of Jamie McMurray. It might have been a case of all the Toyota and Ford teams bringing the same kind of car to the track, with the piece in question, and the Chevrolet teams bringing a different kind of car to the track that did not have the piece in question, because it's bizarre to have all the cars from two makes (Toyota and Ford) have the same inspection issue, while virtually none of the cars from the other make (Chevrolet) had that issue. Either that, or someone from a Chevrolet team turned in the Toyota and Ford teams, because this situation is bizarre. 996. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) when was the last time any Chevrolet car got in trouble in a post or pre-race inspection? 997. 18fan posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to Bob Pockrass, all 16 teams who were caught with the illegal roof-flap spacers had legal spacers readily available. 998. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, if this is a situation regarding a modified part with all the teams from Ford and Toyota, it could be a situation not unlike the engine fiasco with Matt Kenseth at Kansas, in that the part in queston may be a part from the manufacturer itself, instead of the team, because the teams couldn't all have had the same problem unless it was something they got from the manufacturer itself. 999. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i'll keep the conspiracy theories going, no Chevy team ever gets in trouble, so McMurray is going to a non-chevy team in the future... 1000. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "26. Scott Speed: 49.302 28. David Ragan: 46.116 29. David Reutimann: 45.744 30. Bobby Labonte: 45.744 31. Terry Labonte: 42.558 32. Danica Patrick: 41.791" #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 1001. 18fan posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to what I read the spacer kits come from a single supplier and are not supposed to be changed, so this is a team issue because all of the spacers come from the same supplier. 1002. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, if this is a situation regarding a modified part with all the teams from Ford and Toyota, it could be a situation not unlike the engine fiasco with Matt Kenseth at Kansas, in that the part in queston may be a part from the manufacturer itself, instead of the team, because the teams couldn't all have had the same problem unless it was something they got from the manufacturer itself." that's also what I was thinking I hope im not comment 1000, that's not really comment 1000 worthy 1003. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ooh another conspiracy theory: only 1 Chevy team gets busted well, Jimmie is crying, the last time he cried he went on and won the race afterwards, it was sabotage... revenge to JGR and non-Chevy teams, the reason why its all non-chevy is to make it look less suspicious. not sure if that's a sublinial hint from Chevy that McMurray is leaving, or if he was the 1 chevy car that got the short straw. I don't know 1004. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the 4th race this season to have 1000 comments on it. Considering that before this, there were only 2 races in history with that many comments (2011 and 2012 Ford 400), this shows that the amount of interest in this site is increasing. 1005. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So then 18fan, does the fact that virtually all of the Toyota and Ford teams were doing this, and virtually none of the Chevrolet teams were doing it mean that the Toyota and Ford teams are trying to send NASCAR a subtle message about Chevrolet having a sizeable advantage at Daytona this time around? Maybe the Toyota and Ford teams to tell NASCAR in their own way that they don't have much of a chance with the rules package the way it currently is, because they think that the Chevrolets are going to run away with the race Saturday night. Maybe instead of politicking though the media, they want to show NASCAR that they're at a disadvantage on the plate tracks, and the only way to do that is to modify their stuff to physically demonstrate to NASCAR the hole they're in. I can understand the Ford teams trying that, because they are down on speed, but I don't think the Toyota teams would have a leg to stand on, because of the speed of their cars. On the other hand, Ford might need a little help to get more speed. Either way, this situation seems to be one dictated by the manufacturers, instead of the teams. 1006. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This is the 4th race this season to have 1000 comments on it. Considering that before this, there were only 2 races in history with that many comments (2011 and 2012 Ford 400), this shows that the amount of interest in this site is increasing." doesn't help that jabber1990 doesn't shut the hell up 1007. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Penske's switch to Ford may be the historical equivalent to Osterlund's decision to sell his team to JD Stacy in '81 (albeit in the middle of the season) as it relates to Brad. Brash, rough around the edges driver wins a surprise title very early, looks to have the sky as the limit as to what he can accomplish with his team as they get better and better together, only to be undone in the freaking board room. It took Dale 5 years to get back on solid ground. How long will it take Brad? 1008. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I did think about that jabber... There is too much coincidence in NASCAR for my comfort... the kind of coincidence that happens in WWF or WCW or whatever the hell it is, I mean. 1009. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) There's another factor involved, DSFF. It just may be a case of Brad winning a championship too soon, especially with his brash personality. Brad may discover, like Dale Earnhardt did after his 1980 championship, that the worst thing that could have happened to him was winning the title so early in his career. Dale Earnhardt always said later in life that the worst thing that ever happened to him was winning the championship in 1980, because he did not know how to handle what was coming his way as a result. I believe that's what has happened with Brad Keselowski. I think it just might be a case of him not knowing how to handle the pressures of being champion, and all that goes with it. And with his personality, him winning a championship so soon may be like putting gasoline on a fire, because he can't help himself. There's no controversy he doesn't like, so he often tries to become part of it, even though he's not a part of it initially. 1010. Benjamin Lowe posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) CJS I think you've seen too many Conspiracy Theory Movies. 1011. 13 posted: 07.04.2013 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Conspiracy theory: NASCAR will penalize each team 6 points to get The Hendrick cars of Jeff Gordon and Kasey Kahne closer to the chase, completely kidding of course 1012. jabber1990 posted: 07.04.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) you're just closed-minded 1013. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't see how your owner bailing on you out of nowhere or your owner making a debacle of a manufacturer switch correlates into "winning a title too soon". Everybody struggles to a degree when they get their first taste of success and fame. Especially when you are Dale or Brad, two guys who hardly anyone gave a shit about before they won the Cup. But did that cause their owners to lose their damn minds? I fail to see the connection. 1014. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Besides, the seeds for Brad's current disaster were sown by Roger at the beginning of last year with his hasty move to Ford. It was announced in late Winter 2012 when nobody thought Brad would win the title. 1015. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just look at all the trouble Brad's gotten himself into this year that have nothing to do with his performance, especially with his comments. His attitude, rather than his performance is what tells me that he won a championship before his time. After all, Joey Logano doesn't seem to be having any problems with the performance of his car, and for all I know, everyone on his team, except the driver, has had to go through the same change, and they don't seem to be struggling. In fact, Logano seems to be surging. If both Penske cars were struggling, then I can see your point about the change being a bad one, though I still think they're better off with Ford than they would be with any other manufacturer. But Keselowski's not handled himself very well at all as the champion, and I think a major reason for it was that he just wasn't ready for all that goes with the championship at his stage of his career. And sometimes, the off-track distraction can sidetrack a driver, by extension, his team especially if he's not ready for it. But the manufacturer change has nothing to do with the falloff with the #2 car, because if it did, than we'd also see it with the #22 car, and the #22 car has been one of the faster cars this year. But Penske really didn't have a choice in the matter. He had to change manufacturers, and Ford was the only one that fit. Penske's on his way to oblivion if he doesn't change manufacturers, and he knew it. 1016. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Again, I see no correlation and no signs that success has affected Brad differently than it has anyone else. He just has different circumstances. Did Gordon win his first title too soon? Of course. He got his early AND young, and by his admission, caused some undesireable personality traits that lasted until he freed himself from Brooke. But he was on the team that was on the cutting edge and his owner saw to it that he kept the team under him. The result was a stretch of dominance unparalleled in the modern era. All Brad has done this year is the same stuff that got him to the top. What changed was the stuff around him, like Dale in '81. 1017. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The roof flag is a key piece of safety equipment in the cars. In my opinion, Nascar should tell the teams that had the modified roof flags "this is a key piece of safety equipment. If you don't care about the safety of yourself, your team, your fellow competitors, or the fans, come back next week" and ban all 31 offending teams from racing this weekend. 1018. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As for the infractions themselves, are that many teams just that stupid, or is there some miscommunication from NASCAR? 1019. JG24FanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As for the infractions themselves, are that many teams just that stupid, or is there some miscommunication from NASCAR?" Nascar hasn't been clear enough with the specifications and yet they still put the blame on the teams. Nascar is both convoluted and tyrannical. 1020. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Terry Labonte is among the people who are interested in buying Phoenix Racing. Younger brother Bobby said that Terry would like to buy it, "but you've got to get money to feed the cow." It'll be interesting to see if Labonte buys the team. I certainly wouldn't be against it. 1021. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's exactly what I was thinking JG24Fan. 1022. David posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently, 15 Nationwide teams got nabbed with the same infraction; the #00, #4, #6, #18, #19, #20, #23, #24, #40, #43, #44, #54, #60, #79, and #92 1023. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Penske's switch to Ford may be the historical equivalent to Osterlund's decision to sell his team to JD Stacy in '81 (albeit in the middle of the season) as it relates to Brad. Brash, rough around the edges driver wins a surprise title very early, looks to have the sky as the limit as to what he can accomplish with his team as they get better and better together, only to be undone in the freaking board room. It took Dale 5 years to get back on solid ground. How long will it take Brad?" I kind of doubt that, if only for the fact that the #22's performance has astronomically improved. Gibbs is a better organization than Penske, but Joey Freaking Logano is in the top 10 in points now when he couldn't accomplish that with Gibbs before through this point of the season. Allmendinger was suspended after the Kentucky race last year, and he was 23rd in points at that time. So it doesn't really look like the team is the problem, because Logano isn't much better than Allmendinger and he's performing far better than Allmendinger did AND better than he could in a Gibbs car. I think it's more likely that getting caught cheating twice has got inside of their heads. Paul Wolfe's probably being a little more conservative with how far he pushes things, and Brad appears to have been distracted ever since. 1024. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) I love how people get all in a tizzy when someone suggests the possibility of race-fixing... out come the insults and the thumb-downs, but you know what... if you don't think it's a valid possibility- not reality, but possibility- to do such a thing, you're a fool. 1025. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Report: the roof flaps were outright CONFISCATED by NASCAR 1026. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (4) (4) I'm sure the same disgusting human piece of shit who's thumbs-downing me for saying it's POSSIBLE to rig races also believes the WWF isn't rigged or that the mob is not involved in horse racing. If you can't accept someone stating a mother fncking possibility and can't respectfully disagree, than I'm to tell you to go get butt raped. I will now take off the lead foil hat. 1027. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jeez, I just thought the introduction of the COT Gen 5 car was a clumily handled cluster****, and it was. But that is looking downright smooth compared to this Gen 6 fiasco. I know this sounds like the Brad homer in me, but let's face it. They get hammered at Texas for violating the spirit of the Gen 6 rules, yet the Chevrolets are driving cars that aren't on the streets yet, probably won't be until after the damn season, and is a specifically built race car while the others are driving souped up street cars. Isn't that violating the very top of the list priority spirit of the Gen 6 rules? 1028. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You tell 'em Nico! Tony would be proud of that rant. 1029. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow... DSFF... just... wow... I thought you'd be the first person to say "You jackwagon!" 1030. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry folks, but I was wearing a tin foil hat that was meant to be made out of foil, but instead was made from lead. Lead makes me act weird. #nonsatiricaljokesonRR 1031. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) David, I see that many of the same Cup organizations that got nabbed in the Cup Series also got caught in the Nationwide Series. The teams of Roush, Petty, and Gibbs (except for Elliott Sadler's car) were among those that were on your list of Nationwide teams caught. The fact that those organizations were caught in two separate series, and that a total of 31 cars in the two series had these violations, tells me that this appears to be a manufacturer's problem. There can't be that many negligible teams (31 out of about 85) racing this weekend. It's quite possible that with this many infractions of the same part, that the part in question may have been, in some way, defective. 1032. JG24FanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you can't accept someone stating a mother fncking possibility" People that use the term "conspiracy theory" to discredit something they don't understand,nevermind the fact that they don't know the meaning of conspiracy theory,are morons with automated responses to things that offend their walled off understanding of life. Youtube and Nascar.com thoroughly taught me these facts about "normal" people. 1033. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is my rule when judging rants: Either go all out or STFU. You went all out Nico. That is the difference between an epic rant and a "Good Lord, somebody get that man some Midol" whiney rant. Although I feel Tony was in the wrong, his rant on Logano at Cali was epic. Brad's rant after Phoenix last year was epic. Dale's rants after The Great Wilkesboro Incident Of Eighty Nine and the 2000 Daytona 500 were epic. Everytime Rusty opened his mouth as a driver was epic. 1034. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Okay, everybody who cries out "Conspiracy! The whole sport is rigged!" after every single incident like this needs to just calm the f*ck down. While I'll admit that nothing can be ruled out, come on, shouting "Conspiracy!" after every single Jimmie Johnson domination or after every single Jeff Gordon wreck is a bit naive. This just in: JJ's team might actually just have the best equipment and best crew, and Gordon might just have terrible luck each and every race. That doesn't mean that the sport is rigged so that Johnson dominates and Gordon wrecks each and every race. I'm not calling out anyone in particular, but if you are one of those people who thinks that everything in NASCAR is fixed and tainted, you need to just shut up and use your head a bit more. Not everything in sports is fixed, you know. 1035. JG24FanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This just in: JJ's team might actually just have the best equipment and best crew" They do. "and Gordon might just have terrible luck each and every race." He does. 1036. 83andJoe posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) NRF - Wow, it's nice to know you think of me that way. My opinion of 'OMG NASCAR is FIXED!' arguments, even stated as possibilities, is this: show me the proof. Show me ONE person who is willing to go ON RECORD and say "I made The Call" or "I received The Call" or "the inspector winked at me when he handed me the restrictor plate". ONE. And then I'll accept there's a possibility. The fact that some teams get winked-and-nodded during inspection, and have been since the start of the sport, is one thing, but that's different from outright fixing, and the fact that nobody has ever gone on record, after all these years and all these hundreds of people by now who would have known, that there is such skulldruggery afoot, is a strong indication that no, there is not. And that is why I thumb-down every post that says "wow, rigged!" no matter who makes it. 1037. JG24FanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The 12 drivers with the best career Top 5% with at least 600 starts. -1. Richard Petty .4688 (46.8) -2. Bobby Allison .4680 (46.0) -3. Jeff Gordon .4278 (42.7) -4. Dale Earnhardt .4157 (41.5) -5. Buck Baker .3874 (38.7) -6. Darrell Waltrip .3412 (34.1) -7. Mark Martin .3126 (31.2) -8. Buddy Baker .2886 (28.8) -9. Rusty Wallace .2866 (28.6) 10. Dale Jarrett .2440 (24.4) 11. James Hylton .2326 (23.2) 12. Ricky Rudd .2141 (21.4) That's impressive for Richard,if you consider that he didn't finish in the Top 5 even once in each of his last two seasons. Jeff Gordon is the driver with the highest active Top 5%,and one of only three drivers in his era since 1993 to bat .400% 1038. JG24FanForever posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *and one of only three drivers in his era since 1993 to bat .400% Since 1993 Jeff Gordon .4284 (302 total) Jimmie Johnson .4159 (173 total) Dale Earnhardt .3930 (101 total) Tony Stewart .3424 (177 total) Kyle Busch .3258 (101 total) Mark Martin .3158 (210 total) Dale Jarrett .3100 (155 total) Carl Edwards .3082 (98 total) Denny Hamlin .3051 (83 total) Rusty Wallace .2959 (129 total) 1039. Paul posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "My opinion of 'OMG NASCAR is FIXED!' arguments, even stated as possibilities, is this: show me the proof." I'm not gonna knock those who believe in what are considered to be conspiracy theories because for all I know they might be right. That being said, it does become rather annoying to hear the same hypotheses (A hypothesis is a proposition made to explain something, while a theory is a hypothesis that has been proven to be true.), over and over again based on gut feelings on certain issues. And in a sport with one and a half dominant teams (Hendrick is the 1, Gibbs is the 1/2 because they're inconsistently dominant.) that "win all the time," it's almost guaranteed that a win by one of those teams (especially Hendrick) will be followed by remarks about asterisks in the record book and what not. Could it be that they just hire away all the best engineers from other teams (One of the few things I agree with Brad Keselowski about these days.) and have the best drivers and crew chiefs in the sport in their respective stables? Yes, money talks; but I think the individuals that are being "spoken to" are the talents (i.e drivers, crew chiefs, engineers, etc.) more so than the officials. I don't think Hendrick could have bought all their championships over the years without word leaking out in some way, such as ex-employees or NASCAR officials spilling the beans, much like how Eric Mangini helped break the story about the New England Patriots spying on other teams' practices and play calls through video footage. And since NASCAR is being run by the Brian France Administration, who aren't exactly known for their integrity at properly running the sport, do we really think that they could keep secrets about such things as rigging races and championships for so long without someone leaking it out? I don't think so. "11. James Hylton .2326 (23.2)" This, along with his 50% top ten percentage, two victories in an era that wasn't kind to smaller teams, two runner-up points finishes in his first two Grand National seasons, 8 top five points finishes in his first ten seasons, and having four seasons with 20+ top fives and five seasons with 30+ top tens is why I consider James Hylton to be the greatest independent driver in NASCAR history. I honestly believe that he should at least be nominated for the NASCAR Hall of Fame some day because of those numbers in spite of his equipment. Wendell Scott was nominated, and he only had 20 career top five finishes, a feat that Hylton accomplished in four of his first five seasons. 1040. cjs3872 posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually JG24FF, Richard's last top five was a third place finish at Richmond in 1988, the week after his horrific crash at that year's Daytona 500, so he basically went without a top five finish in nearly his last FIVE seasons and only had two top ten finishes in his last four seasons (one each in 1990 and 1991), so the end of his career was even worse that you thought, JG24FF. 1041. Paul posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Both Phoenix Racing cars look absolutely beautiful this weekend. The #51 Cup car is painted like the 1994 Country Time car that Neil Bonnett was supposed to drive and Jeff Purvis wound up driving instead, and the #1 Nationwide car is painted like the car from Days of Thunder that Cole Trickle drove (which some of you guys have pointed out already), including the City Chevrolet sponsorship. With AJ driving the Cup car and Kurt driving the Nationwide car, I'll not only have two killer paint schemes to watch out for, but I'll have two of my top five favorite active drivers in the driver's seats. I'll be pulling for both cars to run up front at Daytona, which is entirely possible because Regan Smith finished top ten in the #51 car at Daytona and Talladega earlier this year, and Kurt Busch is the defending July Nationwide race at Daytona winner. 1042. The Long Shot posted: 07.04.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, it's nice to know you think of me that way." He has a habit of calling out people who disagree with him, so you're not alone. "My opinion of 'OMG NASCAR is FIXED!' arguments, even stated as possibilities, is this: show me the proof." Exactly. When somebody actually comes out and says that a race was fixed, then I might change my opinion about all this. Until then, I'm not buying any of these conspiracy "hypotheses", as Paul correctly pointed them out to be. "I'm not gonna knock those who believe in what are considered to be conspiracy theories because for all I know they might be right." I hate to even bring this up, but I read on one comments page that DSFF apparently is one of those people who believes that the moon landing was a hoax. I'm sorry, but that is one conspiracy theory that I have to disagree with. 1043. 83andJoe posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul: That's my opinion on the situation exactly. 1044. 83andJoe posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, entry list for the Howie Lettow Memorial 150 is now up to 82 cars! 1045. David posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "while a theory is a hypothesis that has been proven to be true" *buzzer goes off* Nein!! Nein!! A theory is a hypothesis that has been well-supported by data and evidence from observations. Oftentimes, theories cannot be proven, but are generally accepted to be true by the scientific community (such as evolutionary theory, or DW's vortex theory, haha just kidding). "My opinion of 'OMG NASCAR is FIXED!' arguments, even stated as possibilities, is this: show me the proof." Thank you thank you thank you thank you!! I firmly believe that there has never been a fixed race in the history of NASCAR (not the 2001 Pepsi 400, not the 2010 Subway Jalapeno 250, not the 1984 Firecracker 400, though that race did not have a post-race inspection) "so the end of his career was even worse that you thought, JG24FF" This includes the FLOPPER award in 1990. 1046. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's very strange for a third of the field to get busted at once, but I'll reserve judgement until more information comes about. I am guessing there was some sort of miscommunication between NASCAR and the teams that led to this or the component distribution for the part varied between teams, though it really puzzles me why the #1 would get busted and not the #42. Though, I will say I doubt there would be hardly any conspiracy speculation if it were 16 Chevrolet teams that were caught with infractions instead. It would just be "those Chevy boys trynna pull a fast one." 1047. 83andJoe posted: 07.05.2013 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reportedly "the roof-flap spacers had been illegally machined down to reduce weight." The question is did the teams do this, or was it a bad batch from the supplier? 1048. 13 posted: 07.05.2013 - 1:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Werent the parts that failed roof flap spacers, not the whole flap? With that many teams having the same violation, and some are smaller teams, i think it has to be a defective batch of spacers they got, i would bet that Key Motosports doesnt even has the machinery to mill it down lighter. 1049. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 5:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Still doesn't change the fact that it's in the realm of possibility and quite simple to do. There actually is a form of publicized race-fixing and you don't even realize it. Every year, when the Chase begins, NASCAR has taken the non-Chase drivers aside and said "Keep the hell away from the Chasers and if they try to pass you let them go." That's how easy it is. How much easier would it for once every year or two to replace a small part like a restrictor plate (simply for example) with a plate that's 1/128th of an inch larger in the holes? Someone calculate Steve Park's Rockingham average start and finish WITHOUT counting his win there. 1050. Benjamin Lowe posted: 07.05.2013 - 7:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) This Gen 6 car is a bigger flop than New Coke. 1051. Baker posted: 07.05.2013 - 8:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I do not believe NASCAR is full on fixed like WWF, however, I do firmly believe there is some obvious favoritism that goes on as far down the chain as pit official catching a run away Jimmie Johnson tire. If that were a Jack Roush driver they would have been jumping at the opportunity throw the penalty hammer down. If, however, the sport was entirely fixed there is no way NASCAR would have ever let Tony Stewart win any of his 3 championships when he rants about there handling of tire situations to caution situation to even how fans seem to want a demo derby at every place race. Likewise there is no way NASCAR would have let Brad Keselowski win the title after his rant directed toward them after the mishandling of the cautions at Phoenix. It is as simply as human bias. It is inescapable unless we had emotionless robots take over and officiate all of out sports and racing leagues. Whether you believe in sports conspiracies, fixes or rigged games or not the simply fact is that human's due show favoritism no matter the situation. I myself am a Ohio High School Football Official and even a game between two schools I have never cheered for or routed against I will find myself a little more lenient or harsh on one school depending on how the players and coaches act throughout the game. 1052. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "If, however, the sport was entirely fixed there is no way NASCAR would have ever let Tony Stewart win any of his 3 championships when he rants about there handling of tire situations to caution situation to even how fans seem to want a demo derby at every place race. Likewise there is no way NASCAR would have let Brad Keselowski win the title after his rant directed toward them after the mishandling of the cautions at Phoenix." Yes they would, because that would be what would generate the most media attention. It's the headline grabbers that they'd want. 1053. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did anybody else see Junior's digs at Richard Childress about the #3? 1054. cjs3872 posted: 07.05.2013 - 10:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course it does, 13. 31 cars across two series getting caught with essentially the same infraction, including virtually all of the teams from three Cup organizations running both the NNS and the Cup Series. It had to be a bad batch of parts for that many to be caught. However, I still find astonishing that virtually none of the Chevrolet teams from the Cup Series had this component. 1055. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2013 - 10:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) assuming it was just a bad batch of parts this is really making me reconsider everything I said or thought about the Kenseth deal yes, Kenseth was in the wrong, but it was an accident, still rules are rules and even though NASCAR was a little harsh I did agree with the $200,000 penalty and the points penalty, was it like 50 points? wasn't a huge fan of the "pole was taken away and win will not count for wildcard" thing. oh and the whatever the owner thing was with Gibbs, I thought that was just stupid but this is making me reconsider everything I agreed with, its unfair to punish an entire half of the competition due to a manufactures error, yet its unfair to also say how Kenseth was wrong after I said that, man I am tremendously torn up inside 1056. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2013 - 10:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) oh and the Austion Dillon in the #3 deal, Austin Dillon and Dale Earnhardt knew each other personally, so im sure he's pretty qualified to drive the #3, but I know im going to get my ass kicked for saying that, as well as not having an opinon 1057. David posted: 07.05.2013 - 10:48 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "yes, Kenseth was in the wrong, but it was an accident, still rules are rules and even though NASCAR was a little harsh I did agree with the $200,000 penalty and the points penalty, was it like 50 points? wasn't a huge fan of the "pole was taken away and win will not count for wildcard" thing. oh and the whatever the owner thing was with Gibbs, I thought that was just stupid" Just remember, jabber, most of those penalties were eventually overturned, and the points penalty was reduced from 50 to 12 points. "Someone calculate Steve Park's Rockingham average start and finish WITHOUT counting his win there." Average start: 30.4 Average finish: 23.4 Proves nothing. He also had two top tens leading up to his win. And also because: Average start: 33.2 Average finish: 23.0 That's his Watkins Glen record without his win. 1058. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2013 - 11:18 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Front Row Motorsports' average finish at superspeedways without David Ragan-David Gilliland's 1-2 finish back in April: 26.8 Trevor Bayne's average finish at Daytona without his win: 32.5 Bayne's average finish at superspeedways without his win: 28.6 Danica Patrick's career average start without her pole: 34.7 (1.3 positions lower than her actual average start). 1059. 13 posted: 07.05.2013 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) what does it matter of someones average finish before a win? Look at Brad K at Pocono had a best finish of 18th i think then clicked off a win, sometimes someone even though they dont normally perform well there just get a good weekend and get everything right and win it, Brad has done that at Bristol, Dover, Pocono, and Kansas in his career 1060. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2013 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) im going for 3 intelegent arguments in a row, lets see if I can pull it off Every TV show is a business, yes, My Little Pony is a business too, at the end of the day the show is suppose to bring money to the network and have a profit at the end of the day. we all understand how capitalism works. when TV shows don't work or a TV network doesn't produce quality shows it follows in the footsteps of Stargate Universe and Speed Channel. NASCAR is also a business, its also trying to make money, so it sells its product to the Television networks who are trying to turn a profit. NASCAR has undergone a lot of controvercy in many years, but im sure over the course of 65 years its gotten the same criticism. (just more now since NASCAR is everywhere in the past 30 years) also since NASCAR is 65 years old its been around a long time, its undergone probably more changes in 65 years than Baseball has in 140. Baseball is only a little different now than it was 140 years ago, the rules are changed slightly. NASCAR also is perceived as "boring" so despite its millions of fans who tune in every sunday it has millions more who complain to the networks, and ESPN gets millions (if not billions) of calls, e-mails, letters from Sports Fans who don't want NASCAR recognized as a sport. Brian France is a Businessman, he knows this, so in order to get people to spark an interest in his business he comes up with his "brainless" schemes to get people to watch his product, it will take many years till we find out what the long-term effects are in 10-15 years that's what I believe with Bruton Smith and his "ill move the race from Charlotte" statement, it was a trick to get people to buy tickets to the charlotte race in the fall. The best analogy I can come up with is "like dealing with a politician" Politician: oh this is terrible. somebody flashes cash and the politician changes his mind. I don't have a name for this term, probably the "Politician theory" in conclusion. Money talks Brian France=Lauren Faust 1061. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.05.2013 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Steve Park on 1-mile tracks in 2000: Rock 1: started 18th, finished 9th (led 34 laps) Dover 1: started 17th, finished 19th Loudon 1: started 23rd, finished 28th Loudon 2: started 6th, finished 34th (crash) Dover 2: started 28th, finished 4th Rock 2: started 17th, finished 6th Phoenix: started 5th, finished 3rd (led 11 laps) So, 4 top 10s in 7 races, 3 races in the top 6 (all in the last 3 1-mile events), and 10+ laps led twice. Not to mention that he led over 100 laps and finished in the top 5 at the fall Richmond race. But yeah, that 2001 Rockingham race was totally rigged, guys. 1062. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.05.2013 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, Kenny Wallace (known for being the brother of Rusty and his sense of humor, not really for any racing accomplishments) led 100+ laps and finished 2nd at the 2001 fall Rockingham event. Is it really hard to believe the #1 team had Rockingham figured out that year? 1063. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NLA, first off, in your last sentences of 1061 you were a total piece of shit, but I can brush that off, but I take your point of 1062 in good faith. Not only did the #1 do well at the Rock that year, but they had a driver who was good at the Rock driving the car in the fall race, as Kenny had won the Busch race the day before. jabber, who is Lauren Faust? Also, how could Austin have "known Dale personally"? He was what 10 when Dale died? 1064. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, thanks for the number crunching there. The Long Shot, using only restrictor plate races for the examples really makes no sense because my grandmother's box of ashes could run up front at Talladega. 1065. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Long Shot, using only restrictor plate races for the examples really makes no sense because my grandmother's box of ashes could run up front at Talladega." That's exactly my point (well, not the box of ashes part). All those incidents (Front Row finishing 1-2, Bayne winning the 500, Danica winning the 500 pole) were one-time flukes. 1066. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right, but one time flukes happen regularly at plate races. You're lucky to get one every 10 to 25 years otherwise. 1067. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2013 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) we all know about the relationship between Childress and Earnhardt. you cannot convince me that Dale and Austin have never met, im also pretty sure that if im right that Dale and Austin would have engaged in "small talk", or whatever kind of small talk that older people who work for your grandpa would say to you 1068. Paul posted: 07.05.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan and David Gilliland have regularly run up front at restrictor plate tracks, whether they be driving for Roush, Yates, or Front Row. Ragan finished 5th in his very first Daytona 500 (the same race that Gilliland won the pole for), almost swept Daytona in 2011, and has finished 7th, 4th, and 1st in the last three Talladega races. And Gilliland finished 4th at Talladega in 2007 (Smoke was less than impressed), finished 3rd in the 2011 Daytona 500 and almost pushed Carl Edwards to victory, had the highest restrictor plate average finish in the first three races of 2011 (3 top-11 finishes), and of course restarted 11th at Talladega this spring (the same line that Brad restarted in and complained about afterwards) and shoved his tammate to victory. Not a fluke 1-2 finish, just a super rare underdog team 1-2 finish between two drivers that actually know what they're doing on restrictor plate tracks. 1069. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jabber, I wouldn't know because the only co-worker of my grandfather that I've ever met happens to be my aunt. 1070. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wasn't bashing Ragan or Gilliland by any means. Both are exceptional restrictor-plate racers. However, Front Row Motorsports finishing 1-2 at a plate race is a fluke, no matter what way you look at it. How they got up to that position was not fluky by any means (if anything, it was exceptional driving by those two), but FRM finishing 1-2 has only happened once and probably will never happen again. 1071. murb posted: 07.05.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going back to something you guys were talking about earlier, I think it would be awesome if Terry Labonte were to buy Phoenix Racing. Given Terry's history with Hendrick, I'm sure this venture would turn out a lot better than that Stavola-Labonte team from a few years ago. 1072. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm sure this venture would turn out a lot better than that Stavola-Labonte team from a few years ago." As I recall, that team only attempted 3 races near the end of 2010, and then never returned as Labonte went off to drive for Frank Stoddard and "SLO Lane Racing". I remember that in one of those attempts, Terry actually got booted out of the field by his little brother Bobby (Terry's only career DNQ), due to Bobby having the more recent past champion's provisional. Terry was able to strike a deal to drive for Phil Parsons' 55 team with sponsor Gander Mountain, but crashed out of the race and finished 40th. 1073. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd like to see Terry has an owner just because he's always seen to know which drivers are better. He took a chance on Justin and Justin won a race. 1074. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I remember that he wanted Justin to run some Cup races in 2011 in preparation for a full-time schedule in 2012, but that never came to fruition. I wonder where Justin is now. 1075. murb posted: 07.05.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wonder where Justin is now." I'm pretty sure he does a lot of stuff with Bobby's dirt team. He's like the team manager or something. 1076. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.05.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NLA, first off, in your last sentences of 1061 you were a total piece of shit, but I can brush that off, but I take your point of 1062 in good faith. Not only did the #1 do well at the Rock that year, but they had a driver who was good at the Rock driving the car in the fall race, as Kenny had won the Busch race the day before." I have to admit that I only saw David's post and I didn't bother to look up and see who made the original comment, so I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I kind of have a sarcastic sense of humor so I might have sounded like a "piece of shit" but that's not what I meant. All I meant by my posts is that Park's win at Rockingham wasn't so far out of the realm of possibility so as it should arouse suspicion. Park had some good performances at the milers in 2000 and was generally still improving. He also had several other good performances at milers in 2001, and Kenny Wallace led more than 1/3 of his career Cup laps led at the same track later in the year with the same team (it was by far his best career race), so it looks to me like the #1 team just had Rockingham figured out. There have been several sketchy-looking race results before, but to me this one isn't one of them. 1077. We need more Onion posted: 07.05.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, Long Shot "However, Front Row Motorsports finishing 1-2 at a plate race is a fluke, no matter what way you look at it." It was not a fluke, you explained it yourself that they got it by non-fluky driving. You want a fluke win? Try to watch 2002 Honda Indy 300, that is a fluke. 1078. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^All hail the... hail? 1079. New14 & 88Fan posted: 07.05.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone watching Cup Qualifying? 1080. murb posted: 07.05.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LOL at the people on Kyle Petty's page that are saying he's not qualified to call Danica out because he has 0 career NNS wins. 1081. 18fan posted: 07.05.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ And so does Danica. 1082. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 07.05.2013 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For what it's worth, Kyle Petty also has 0 IndyCar wins. /sarcasm 1083. Evan posted: 12.30.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last race for UPS as a sponsor as they will not be in the sports in 2014. They came in the sport with Dale Jarrett in a spiffy deal in which Dale Jarrett won 11 races with them and had those Race The Truck Commericals. After that, they migrated over to Roush Fenway to be their sponsor for David Ragan who they fulley expected to break out and be a contender but it never happened and then they moved over to Carl Edwards car but failed to make any gains there. Good ol' Jack fails to keep another sponsor which could have went to a couple of other drivers, UPS stuck with Ford for too long. 1084. NASCARLover22 posted: 09.13.2015 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor update: #99 UPS "We Love Logistics" 1085. Altracing posted: 01.11.2018 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was Jamie McMurray's first top five finish since the 2011 Irwin Night Tools Race at Bristol. 1086. Rich posted: 12.19.2020 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adam Alexander, Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty were the commentators. Chris Neville, Marty Snider, Matt Yocum and Ralph Sheheen were the pit road reporters. Larry McReynolds was the in-race analyst. Lindsay Czarniak was the studio host. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: