|| *Comments on the 2013 GoBowling.com 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (17) (82) Biggest cheaters in the history of sports. Right here folks! NASCAR's version of Jim Jones and Charles Manson, Rick Hendrick and Chad Knaus and Jimmie Johnson 2. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson looking good again has 5 top2 finishes in last 5 races has started from pole (1 rained out). Has 14 wins from the pole(2 rained out)over all. For anyone interested mercedes has released a video of its v6 doing a lap of Monza 3. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (4) (3) Kyle Busch observes that a certain team has been late to qualify several times this year because it goes through inspection more often than all the others when it comes to qualifying. Then says he and his team ought to go through inspection multiple times every now and then since this team is always very fast after that happens. Wonder who he is talking about??? 4. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (8) (15) What you just saw today is why I will never rate a Hendrick driver way up on my list. There is very obviously something beyond fishy going on there. I have mentioned my admiration for Jeff Gordon and his grit, determination, heart, toughness, and refusal to give up. But the fact is everything he ever has accomplished has come with HMS and that means there is questions, suspicions, and asterisks. It's not fair to Jeff but what is happening now with the 48 shows how much The Felon has the sanctioning vody in his pocket. The problem is Jeff was good enough and showed so much talent, the connection could be hidden. Jimmie is quite simply a mediocre driver, and the dirty business has come front and center making a dynasty out of him. Again, no offense to Jeff, in another organization he could be Top 5 all time possibly. But everything accomplished by HMS has an asterisk. 3 times through inspection AGAIN? And Penske gets hammered for ONE inspection issue? NASCAR is a joke. A straight up joke. 1995* 1996* 1997* 1998* 2001* 2006* 2007* 2008* 2009* 2010* 2013* 5. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (18) Take a look at this one Kool-Aid drinker who probably changes his underwear after every David Newton article: "JJ is the best NASCAR ( racer ) ever along with driver . He is the best at adjusting and telling his CC chad about the car adjustments and what it needs during every race. There would be no chad Knaus without Johnson . Put JJ in the 88 or 24, 5 , even 18 , i bet he would still win a chip and 4-8 races a year. With better drivers and engines and changing of the COT s now the Gen 6 I can say JJ is the best ever in NASCAR hands down. Gordon , Earnhardt , can not race this man . Only way to beat him is to crash him or a big 17-18 sec pit stop mistake . Only one that can beat JJ straight up is himself. Tougher competitors , cots , gen 6 cars , and u still cant beat this guy. Not to mention his mental toughness . Give credit where credit is due . " Look at incoherent babbling and sentence structure. 6. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Nap Time's Reign of Terror Continues. 7. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) I have no problem with Hendrick. If you're going to give him a hard time about being a felon, then you have to give that moniker to Junior Johnson as well. Both were convicted of felony offenses and both were pardoned by the sitting President of the United States. Also, cheating/rigged isn't a word I would use to describe what I feel about how well they do. What I don't get is why Hendrick doesn't make his crews work together so they can all be at the top. Look at qualifying: pole, 18th, 22nd, and 25th. That makes no sense to me. If I were an owner I would want ALL of my cars to run up front and increase exposure so I could sell off more sponsors. This would be doubly true if one of my drivers was the most popular, most marketable driver in the sport. It makes no sense to me why a car owner would want one of his teams to be so much better than the other 4. I don't think Earnhardt, Kahne, or Gordon are bad drivers by any means so I just don't get it. 8. David posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who wrote that monstrosity? 9. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (4) (11) "What you just saw today is why I will never rate a Hendrick driver way up on my list. There is very obviously something beyond fishy going on there. I have mentioned my admiration for Jeff Gordon and his grit, determination, heart, toughness, and refusal to give up. But the fact is everything he ever has accomplished has come with HMS and that means there is questions, suspicions, and asterisks. It's not fair to Jeff but what is happening now with the 48 shows how much The Felon has the sanctioning vody in his pocket. The problem is Jeff was good enough and showed so much talent, the connection could be hidden. Jimmie is quite simply a mediocre driver, and the dirty business has come front and center making a dynasty out of him. Again, no offense to Jeff, in another organization he could be Top 5 all time possibly. But everything accomplished by HMS has an asterisk. 3 times through inspection AGAIN? And Penske gets hammered for ONE inspection issue? NASCAR is a joke. A straight up joke. 1995* 1996* 1997* 1998* 2001* 2006* 2007* 2008* 2009* 2010* 2013* Something to go in Jeff's favor as a driver, DSFF, outside, are his successes in the Busch series with Bill Davis and his own team (which really was his own team; Hendrick wouldn't even let him use the stylized 24!), something Johnson has failed in top-10 cars in the series. I have no respect for this team anymore. How can someone make enough mistakes to combine for every other champion combined and have such success without something fishy going on? It's a joke when one car literally fails inspection over 30 times in 20 races and doesn't get one penalty, yet Kenseth initially lost all but but the win for a single part being 0.2 grams overweight. Keselowski lost points AND almost all of his pit crew for... fender damage. Knaus doesn't seem to be married, and B. Z. France got divorced. You don't think...?! 10. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) Dale, Richard, David, Bobby, and even a host of drivers who put up comparitively weaker stats in a much more competitive era (Bodine, Irvan) would lap Jimmie under equal rules which is something Jimmie has never had. He is proof that with enough dirty business by your owner, ANYBODY can dominate in NASCAR. 11. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (3) (9) "I have no problem with Hendrick. If you're going to give him a hard time about being a felon, then you have to give that moniker to Junior Johnson as well. Both were convicted of felony offenses and both were pardoned by the sitting President of the United States. Also, cheating/rigged isn't a word I would use to describe what I feel about how well they do. What I don't get is why Hendrick doesn't make his crews work together so they can all be at the top. Look at qualifying: pole, 18th, 22nd, and 25th. That makes no sense to me. If I were an owner I would want ALL of my cars to run up front and increase exposure so I could sell off more sponsors. This would be doubly true if one of my drivers was the most popular, most marketable driver in the sport. It makes no sense to me why a car owner would want one of his teams to be so much better than the other 4. I don't think Earnhardt, Kahne, or Gordon are bad drivers by any means so I just don't get it. " I think Hendrick is funding it, and NASCAR is sanctioning it. NASCAR wants Johnson to win 8 titles for two reasons: (a) Brain France violently hates past history (you can't even get results before 2011 on NASCAR.com), and (b) they want the first 8-time champion to be a product of the Chase. 12. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (9) "Dale, Richard, David, Bobby, and even a host of drivers who put up comparitively weaker stats in a much more competitive era (Bodine, Irvan) would lap Jimmie under equal rules which is something Jimmie has never had. He is proof that with enough dirty business by your owner, ANYBODY can dominate in NASCAR. " DSFF, I think I commented on the Johnson page that my grandmother's box of ashes could succeed in that car. 13. David posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) It was Brian France's birthday today, so the entire #48 team pitched in and gave him a nice present. 14. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) "It was Brian France's birthday today, so the entire #48 team pitched in and gave him a nice present. " You mean the car his lover crew chiefs won the pole? 15. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff did an outstanding job with Bill Davis considering his youth and complete inexperience in stock cars (we heard the lack of experience excuse for The Baroness in stock cars a million times, what about Jeff in '92?). He was still inconsistent, still Swervin Gordon, but he was fast. As for Junior Johnson, he got his felony providing a public service for moonshine lovers. Rick got his briving folks so he could shit on the little guy, the story of his life. 16. TS1420 posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nap Time /"Party"/ in the Poconos Part II.... I'm glad I'll be camping this weekend and not watching Nap-Time lead the slumber party around the Tryptophan Triangle. 17. Benjamin Lowe posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At Post 9: That's an interesting theory regarding Brain France and Cheating Chad NRF. 18. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) "As for Junior Johnson, he got his felony providing a public service for moonshine lovers. Rick got his briving folks so he could shit on the little guy, the story of his life. " Plus Junior served his time (although "pardoned" in the 80s when it was meaningless); Hendrick has his time cut short by Douchebag1 (Clinton), the predecessor of Douchbag2 (Bush) and Douchebag3 (Obama). 19. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know this is a week early but top5 road racers Ricky Rudd Dan Gurney Rusty Wallace Jeff gordon tie Bobby Allison Tony Stewart 20. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think Hendrick is funding it, and NASCAR is sanctioning it. NASCAR wants Johnson to win 8 titles for two reasons: (a) Brain France violently hates past history (you can't even get results before 2011 on NASCAR.com), and (b) they want the first 8-time champion to be a product of the Chase." I thought Brian France was greedy...is he chasing history as means of justifying himself or is he greedy. In this case, it can't be both. If he's greedy have Junior run up front would be best because that's what would generate the most fan interest. Hendrick is rich, but any money he could provide would never be able to top the money that would roll in if Earnhardt started winning races. If France and Hendrick and rigging things, why isn't it that? "As for Junior Johnson, he got his felony providing a public service for moonshine lovers. Rick got his briving folks so he could shit on the little guy, the story of his life." Oh I completely agree. At the same time, I've heard you insinuate that you think Hendrick shouldn't be allowed in NASCAR and if such a rule were in place they couldn't discriminate. A felony conviction is a felony conviction. Also, as I've said before, I'm not sure such a rule would apply to Hendrick (or Johnson) due to the fact of the presidential pardons. Just seems like the type of thing that would result in a lawsuit. 21. David posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (10) (0) "Nap Time /"Party"/ in the Poconos Part II...." Also known as the GoSnoring.com 400. 22. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.02.2013 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After seeing the qualifying results, I am GLAD that I won't be able to watch Sunday's race as I will be at Mid-Ohio for the IndyCar race this weekend. 23. David posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The race on Sunday shouldn't be that bad, actually. At least not for me, if I get a chance to watch it. 24. Chives5150 posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Top-5 Greatest Car Owners In All of Motorsports: 1. Wayne Peterson 2. Wayne Peterson 3. Wayne Peterson 4. Wayne Peterson 5. Wayne Peterson Honorary Mention: Phil Parsons 25. Anonymous posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Too bad that Brian Keselowski withdrew. He would have made the race, no matter what since, the #40 car only qualified 38th. 26. David posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) See, I am easily pleased when it comes to quality of races. I may have mentioned that before. 27. ch posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The above was me. 28. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Hendrick has his time cut short by Douchebag1 (Clinton), the predecessor of Douchbag2 (Bush) and Douchebag3 (Obama)." I see we share similar political views, we hate 'em all! 29. Neal posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know this is a week early but top5 road racers Ricky Rudd Dan Gurney Rusty Wallace Jeff gordon tie Bobby Allison Tony Stewart ---- You know who gets overlooked as a decent road racer? Ol' DW. He won 5 times at Riverside - tied for 2nd with Dan Gurney and Richard Petty. 30. David posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Neal is right. Waltrip was an underrated road racer. 31. Chives5150 posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This ARCA race has been so silly... 32. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Iknow I sometimes come across as a Johnson defender but I feel Ihave to sometimes due to the mass hysteria on these boards about anything Johnson. Johnson has only once in 11 seasons reached double figures in wins, he has an outside chance this year, he has only scored top5s in half his races 3 times 04 07 and last year and has only led 2000 laps once, he will do so again this year. The Johnson dominance is not as strong as you think he is just as likely to lose this championship as win it.He lost 04 and last year when he was the best, he won his 5 championships while having hardly any bad luck in the chase. While he is clearly the favorite for the title this year ( I also predicted he would win at start of year) he can be beaten.You guys were ready to hand him the title after Indy, he then went 10 races without winning and you gave up stink after Texas and he had 2 dnfs. My main point is Gordon and Petty and others have dominated more than Johnson. Earnhardt had a 50% win rate after 22 races in 87 imagine if Johnson were to do that. I would defer to your superior stock car knowledge in saying Johnson is probably the weakest of the 8 drivers to have 64 wins but lets not go over board on his dominance Kyle Busch and Kenseth could lead more laps than Johnson in the season and he has not get 5 wins after 20 races a bit of perspective please 33. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (11) "I thought Brian France was greedy...is he chasing history as means of justifying himself or is he greedy. In this case, it can't be both. If he's greedy have Junior run up front would be best because that's what would generate the most fan interest. Hendrick is rich, but any money he could provide would never be able to top the money that would roll in if Earnhardt started winning races. If France and Hendrick and rigging things, why isn't it that?" You're such a kool-aid drinker sometimes. Johnson already has 5 "titles"! Why would they use Junior when he can barely win even when he's an even worse driver than Johnson? They'd have to have pushed the car through inspection 150 times already for Jr to be where Jimmie is. Jimmie is a pretty worthless driver, but he's not like Junior and as bad as Danican't. "Oh I completely agree. At the same time, I've heard you insinuate that you think Hendrick shouldn't be allowed in NASCAR and if such a rule were in place they couldn't discriminate. A felony conviction is a felony conviction. Also, as I've said before, I'm not sure such a rule would apply to Hendrick (or Johnson) due to the fact of the presidential pardons. Just seems like the type of thing that would result in a lawsuit." What the hell kind of lawsuit would that be? The I'm-Rick-Hendrick-so-I'm-the-exception-to-every-rule lawsuit? They already have that rule in place. Besides, I never said that. I said Hendrick got away with his felony if only because he's a rich guy. 34. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) I will resort to my favorite analogy: Richard Petty had to be greater for more races to win the 1964 title alone than a driver has to be to win SIX Chase titles. 35. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (9) Boy, I can see the Kool-Aid drinkers are out in droves today thumbs-downing EVERY comment that reflects negatively of Johnson. 36. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) How about the GoRolling.com 400 since we'll all be rolling (vomiting)? 37. David posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only one who's insinuated that Hendrick shouldn't be in NASCAR due to his felony conviction is DSFF. 38. VoteGillilandNotDanica2014 posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @18 @28 They've all been douchebags since Coolidge if you ask me! And yeah, If Brian Keselowski had just turned a lap he'd have been in it. I get his strategy of showing up for races he is guaranteed in (DNQing is costly for such a tiny team), but sometimes you gotta take a risk or 2. 39. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) This kool-aid drinker is from ESPN: "I love all the haters, and how the 48 team cheats.... after every race the car's are inspected, and they find nothing wrong...so it must steroids...lol." So can he explain how the 48 has literally failed inspection (without penalty) more times this year than every other car combined for the last 4 or 5 years? 40. startandparkfan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Corey LaJoie wins a caution free ARCA race after Erik Jones has engine issues with 3 to go. His second win in a row due to others having problems. A hard crash after the line involving Mason Mitchell and the #07 car (I don't know who). 41. RaceFanX posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Newman's team entered the same car in this race that they won with at Indy the week before. The team didn't get the car back from NASCAR until the Tuesday before the race and worked quickly to flip it around and prepare it for Pocono, including ditching the red Quicken Loans / Smurfs look for Haas' black one. 42. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "You're such a kool-aid drinker sometimes. Johnson already has 5 "titles"! Why would they use Junior when he can barely win even when he's an even worse driver than Johnson? They'd have to have pushed the car through inspection 150 times already for Jr to be where Jimmie is. Jimmie is a pretty worthless driver, but he's not like Junior and as bad as Danican't." Nico, is Jimmie Johnson a turn off to fans? Does Brian France only care about money? If the answer to both of those questions is yes, I don't understand how you can possibly think NASCAR is rigging it in Johnson's favor. Hendrick is a rich, rich man, but I just don't see how under any scenario Hendrick would be able to make it worth Frnace's time. Hendrick's net worth is estimated at $200 million. Even if he gave NASCAR half of that, $100 million, which is quite unrealistic it would probably be more like $10 million at the most, it still wouldn't be as much money as they could make by getting fans who have lost interest because of Johnson interested again. And I dispute whether Junior is really as bad as you make him sound, but I don't want that discussion. "What the hell kind of lawsuit would that be? The I'm-Rick-Hendrick-so-I'm-the-exception-to-every-rule lawsuit? They already have that rule in place. Besides, I never said that. I said Hendrick got away with his felony if only because he's a rich guy." As I clearly said it would be a lawsuit that would come about as a result of having a rule that would ban felons from owning teams, but Hendirck actually was pardoned by Clinton for his crime. That seems like the type of thing you could sue and win for, though I'm not 100% sure since NASCAR is a private entity. And I clearly wasn't responding to you, I was responding to DSFF. "I see we share similar political views, we hate 'em all!" Don't lump me in there. I'm a proud Republican and always have been. I think Bush was a patriot. His dad even more so. I don't want a debate, but I do care about politics. 43. Sky Warrior posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And yeah, If Brian Keselowski had just turned a lap he'd have been in it." Have you forgotten how dismally slow the #52 is? Back at Richmond which is the only race Brian has made this year, he qualified 43rd, 4 tenths of a second slower than Timmy Hill. He finished 4 laps down in the 40 lap All Star Showdown race this year. And Morgan Shepherd was almost 7 tenths slower than 40th, only beating David Stremme who wrecked and Jimmie Johnson who was penalized. Even with Landon Cassil's 38th place effort, Brian probably wasn't making the race this weekend. He can take some chances when he's got better equipment, but he's just nowhere near close enough to the pace of even the back of the pack drivers to hope to outqualify even one of them. Also, if Jimmie was cheating, why did he only beat Kyle Busch by .004 seconds? Now if you said they're both cheating because Carl Edwards was a tenth off of Kyle's time, I'd believe you. But just saying Jimmie's cheating holds no water for the time being 44. Sky Warrior posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Also, only in ARCA would they go crash free for a 50 lap Pocono race until a full minute after the winner has taken the checkered flag 45. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) "Have you forgotten how dismally slow the #52 is? Back at Richmond which is the only race Brian has made this year, he qualified 43rd, 4 tenths of a second slower than Timmy Hill. He finished 4 laps down in the 40 lap All Star Showdown race this year. And Morgan Shepherd was almost 7 tenths slower than 40th, only beating David Stremme who wrecked and Jimmie Johnson who was penalized. Even with Landon Cassil's 38th place effort, Brian probably wasn't making the race this weekend. He can take some chances when he's got better equipment, but he's just nowhere near close enough to the pace of even the back of the pack drivers to hope to outqualify even one of them. Also, if Jimmie was cheating, why did he only beat Kyle Busch by .004 seconds? Now if you said they're both cheating because Carl Edwards was a tenth off of Kyle's time, I'd believe you. But just saying Jimmie's cheating holds no water for the time being " Some cheats don't work as well as others. Besides, he failed inspection THREE times. I apologize for that Zachry Shawn. I thought you meant me. Regardless, I think Brian France really does believe Johnson is NASCAR's messiah because France only cares about destroying the past of NASCAR. Truthfully, by the time he's done, there will be no trace of anything from when MIKE HELTON was head honcho. "As I clearly said it would be a lawsuit that would come about as a result of having a rule that would ban felons from owning teams, but Hendirck actually was pardoned by Clinton for his crime. That seems like the type of thing you could sue and win for, though I'm not 100% sure since NASCAR is a private entity. And I clearly wasn't responding to you, I was responding to DSFF." Either way, it's pretty hollow because we'd have to ban over 85% of NFL, MLB, and NBA players 46. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is it recently that, despite the fact that I absolutely hate Jimmie Johnson (it can literally ruin my weekend if he wins), I find myself defending him more than any other driver in NASCAR? What has gotten into me recently? 47. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just on the greatest seasons in nascar you have to put Sam Ards 1984 season in 24 top5s 26top10s in 28 races 8 wins and 7 poles.You would need 32 top5s and 34 top10s in cup to equal it 48. Sky Warrior posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Besides, he failed inspection THREE times. For what? I missed Q today 49. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also known as the GoSnoring.com 400." THAT made my day. I really won't be watching this race, except for maybe the last 20 laps IF nap-time isn't running up front. 50. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) "Why is it recently that, despite the fact that I absolutely hate Jimmie Johnson (it can literally ruin my weekend if he wins), I find myself defending him more than any other driver in NASCAR? What has gotten into me recently? " Because everyone finds it fun to play Devil's advocate! 51. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Besides, he failed inspection THREE times. For what? I missed Q today " Ask DSFF; he watches; I follow Live Leaderboard. 52. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.02.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The best road racers in NASCAR history: 1) Jeff Gordon As JJ has proved, even the most cheated up racecars don't help you win on the road. 9 wins? Even his curious disappearances there since the Gen 4 was 86ed can't keep him from #1. 2) Ricky Rudd Six wins, none in outstanding equipment (got HMS' only win in '90, arguably their worst season) puts him slightly ahead of..... 3) Rusty Wallace Was outstanding, but had better road equipment than the Rooster. Also was slightly less longevity on the road ('87-'96 as opposed to a staggering '83-'02 for Rudd, for that I was tempted to put him ahead of Jeff, but WonderBoy's 6 in a row trumped that imo). 4) Tim Richmond 5 wins in a short career including one while dying of AIDS. Amazing. 5) Bobby Allison Cause Darrell sucks 53. Sky Warrior posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seems like I got a diecast car order in the mail today. I've got no idea which cars are in there, so I'm gonna have some fun. I have to use a driver from the box as a winner prediction for this weekend 54. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I posted this one the Indy page, but I don't think anyone saw it so I wanted to share it again to see what y'all think. Buddy Baker said on Sirius this morning that Brad Daugherty brings a lot to the broadcasting booth and should absolutely be a part of the NBC team in his opinion. Now Baker is obviously one of the most respected TV announcers of all time, so I was curious whether that causes any of you to look at him, OR Brad Daugherty in another light. Personally, I've never hated Brad (or DW) as much as some of you do, but I do know he's one of the most hated things on this site. 55. Sky Warrior posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok, my choices are Dale Jr 12 times, it was a Dale Jr 12 car 2008 commemorative set. So, Dale Jr wins at Pocono? 12 times??? 56. ch posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Have you forgotten how dismally slow the #52 is? Back at Richmond which is the only race Brian has made this year, he qualified 43rd, 4 tenths of a second slower than Timmy Hill. He finished 4 laps down in the 40 lap All Star Showdown race this year. And Morgan Shepherd was almost 7 tenths slower than 40th, only beating David Stremme who wrecked and Jimmie Johnson who was penalized. Even with Landon Cassil's 38th place effort, Brian probably wasn't making the race this weekend. He can take some chances when he's got better equipment, but he's just nowhere near close enough to the pace of even the back of the pack drivers to hope to outqualify even one of them." Even if he had driven a 25 Minute lap, he still would have been a lock since he's higher in owner's points than the #40. Cassill would have HAD to qualify top 36, which he didn't. Very lucky for Circle Sport that the #52 withdrew. 57. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Seems like I got a diecast car order in the mail today. I've got no idea which cars are in there, so I'm gonna have some fun. I have to use a driver from the box as a winner prediction for this weekend" How did you not know what cars were in there? Was it some sort of grab-bag surprise type thing? The diecast set I wish they would make would be one that included the car for the primary paint scheme that every champion won their championship with. I doubt I could afford a 1/24 scale set like this considering it'd probably be north of $1000, but I'd buy a 1/64 scale set in a heartbeat. "Ok, my choices are Dale Jr 12 times, it was a Dale Jr 12 car 2008 commemorative set. So, Dale Jr wins at Pocono? 12 times???" He finished third there in June, but he'll have to overcome the vibration that has plagued him so far this weekend. 58. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The reason I have Rudd ahead of Gordon is equipment longevity and he leads road course top5s by 6 over everyone else,also the schedule counts against Gordon but Rudd and Wallace won multiple times on 3 different road courses. 59. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Lunesta should have sponsored this race. 60. 83andJoe posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Alright, finally got on here after the ARCA race and a nap, and... Cheeze Louise. All I have to say is this: certain people here need to /knock it off/. Some of the comments have gone /way/ past legitmate complaining and satire to flat-out hate, personal attacks, and /slander/. 61. 83andJoe posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meanwhile... While Brian K might well have made the show just by turning in a time, you can't assume Cassill wouldn't have turned it up a notch, as opposed to being in "make a lap and bring the car in" mode because he was assured of making the field himself. Michael McDowell outqualifies Mark Martin, and nearly beats Kenseth, Earnhardt Junior and Truex? Are we in the Twilight Zone? 62. Sky Warrior posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Even if he had driven a 25 Minute lap, he still would have been a lock since he's higher in owner's points than the #40. Cassill would have HAD to qualify top 36, which he didn't. Very lucky for Circle Sport that the #52 withdrew." When did the #52 withdraw? That same car qualified 29th last week at Indy with the same driver. They wouldn't have run as hard in qualifying today as the would have if they had to beat another car. "How did you not know what cars were in there? Was it some sort of grab-bag surprise type thing?" As a (late) birthday present/celebration for an accomplishment at work, last month I made a few diecast orders, so it could've been a number of different cars. "The diecast set I wish they would make would be one that included the car for the primary paint scheme that every champion won their championship with. I doubt I could afford a 1/24 scale set like this considering it'd probably be north of $1000, but I'd buy a 1/64 scale set in a heartbeat." I swear I've read that something like that was once attempted, think I saw it on DiecastCrazy. I'll go try and dig that up 63. 83andJoe posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, a note to the Webmaster, the link to the 2013 White Knight 99+1 in the 'trending' section doesn't work. 64. Eric posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 83andJoe, You shouldn't be shocked how Mark Martin qualified at Pocono. If I am a cup owner, I would stay away from Mark in 2014 based on this years results. Mark's performance is getting weaker this year. The fact is age is catching up to Mark this year. Mark's struggles also is caused by part-time driver actually puts him at a disadvantage because of the gen 6 car. 65. Eric posted: 08.02.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 83andJoe, I have no explanation about Michael McDowell almost beateb Truex and Dale Jr. in qualifying unlike McDowell beating Mark Martin in qualifying. 66. Jim Davis posted: 08.02.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (7) (1) It just amazes me how people on this site can hold two mutually exclusive positions simultaneously: 1. Johnson has been caught cheating more than everyone else put together. 2. NASCAR is looking the other way with Johnson. 67. Baker posted: 08.02.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Glad I am busy this Sunday. It is going to be another 150 laps led for Johnson and his illegal car. A lot of drivers are starting to get very annoyed with how much fast Johnson's cars are than the rest of the field, and a lot are starting to notice how often his cars are failing inspection with no penalty. I say its time for these drivers to shut their holes and start using their bumpers. If NASCAR isn't going to crack down on Jimmie then the field needs to teach him a lesson. I just hope they wait until chase time and put him in the fence the first 3 races early in each event. 68. Eric posted: 08.02.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jim Davis, It possible for people on this site can hold two mutually exclusive positions simultaneously in term of Jimmie Johnson. It goes to the fact 48 car gets caught a lot this year for cheating, but rarely gets punished for it. The fact is the only time the 48 car was punished this season, despite having problems with inspections 3 times in that race weekend. That meant People looked at NASCAR being soft towards penalties to the 48 car as a result. 69. startandparkfan posted: 08.02.2013 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Ok, my choices are Dale Jr 12 times, it was a Dale Jr 12 car 2008 commemorative set. So, Dale Jr wins at Pocono? 12 times???" At least 6 years until we will find out if you are right. 70. startandparkfan posted: 08.02.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Johnson and Busch on front row? This won't end well. 71. Bro Jackson posted: 08.02.2013 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Somehow I get the feeling Dale Jr. is gonna drop off these last 6 races and miss the Chase. I'm just looking at the points and I can't see that 88 team keeping up a 54-point lead. 72. Baker posted: 08.02.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I read on jayski that Kurt Busch is looking to run the IRL season finale in preparation to run the Indianapolis 500 next season. He says if he cannot run California this year then he won't run Indy next season either. It all comes down to money to get him in the car at California. If I have enough I would help pay the bills even though I cannot stand they guy. I just think it is awesome when racers try to branch out and be good at multiple forms of racing. 73. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jim Davis, What I don't get is the people who say Brian France rigs it in Johnson's favor, but at the same time only cares about money. I understand that the theory involves Hendrick paying off France, but I just don't see how even he could make it worth Brain France's time if he only cares about money. Johnson has clearly driven some fans away and I think having them back would increase revenue more than any one man can. If Brian France only cares about money, then he should ban Johnson from competing, not rig it in his favor. 74. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.02.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Somehow I get the feeling Dale Jr. is gonna drop off these last 6 races and miss the Chase. I'm just looking at the points and I can't see that 88 team keeping up a 54-point lead." If that happens I think it will be the next two races that do it. He's already fighting a very ill handling car this weekend and he sucks on road courses. If he can make it through the next two races, I think it'll be smooth sailing since Michigan, Bristol, Atlanta, and Richmond are all good tracks for him. Also, please tell me that "Bro Jackson" is a play on Bo Jackson. 75. cjs3872 posted: 08.02.2013 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, the point you make about Mark Martin is exactly the point I was talking about a few days ago when I said Mark was no longer competitive, mainly because age has caught up to him. It happens to everyone if they don't retire or get seriously injured, or worse, and we've seen it happen to Mark this year. Remember that he actually got lapped at Indy before getting a free pass, and it's difficult to get lapped there in a good car, though it also happened to his teammate Clint Bowyer, who's second in points. Ironically, only Martin Truex, Jr., who started 38th, did not get lapped at Indy among the MWR cars. However, you're a little off base in saying being a part-time driver puts him at a disadvantage with the "Gen 6" car. Let's not forget that Brian Vickers is also a part-time Cup driver and he won at Loudon in that #55 car, so Vickers' win as well as the fact that Trevor Bayne can run in the top 15 in the Wood Brothers' car in his infrequent Cup appearances (I know he was also terrible last week) should put the value of experience to bed. It's just that age has caught up to Mark. That's one thing Rusty Wallace spared his fans the sight of because he was a front runner right up to he day he retired after the 2005 season, even having a legitimate shot at the championship until fading late in the Chase. And by the way, I don't know where Ryan Newman's going to end up in 2014, but I have this feeling that Tony Stewart is going to regret letting him go for the same reason that Jack Roush is regretting letting Matt Kenseth go. While Newman's performances have, until recently, not been up to par (Pocono in June was a turning point for him), that's not the biggest thing Tony's going to lose when Newman departs at season's end. What Tony Stewart's going to lose when Newman leaves is the knowledge that Newman has at setting cars up and his knowledge of the car itself. I don't think Kevin Harvick has that much knowledge about the inner-workings of a car, though I might be wrong about that. That kind of knowledge is what Jack Roush lost when he let Kenseth go, and it's shown all year in both the Cup and Nationwide Series, because Roush's cars have had setup problems all year across both series. Wherever Newman goes, he's going to bring that to the team he goes to for 2014, and if that team is Roush, I think we'll see Roush back up front with all his cars in both the Cup Series and the Nationwide Series, and the same will be true of Richard Childress Racing if he goes there next year. 76. Anthony posted: 08.02.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) @70 takes you back to 2011 when Kurt Busch vs Jimmie Johnson moment. Now Kyle wants revenge. Funny that we haven't mention Kyle Busch since I mean he's been very quiet in Cup. Not to mention the fact that he made comments on Ryan Newman & not only that well it shows. But I just don't get it if Jimmie Johnson wins Pocono Sunday he will be the first driver since 2006 when Denny Hamlin swept poles n wins. But if Jeff Gordon wins he will be the first since Matt Kenseth to win on a birthday. Oh and yeah Kurt Busch in that category. Meanwhile this season Jeff Gordon FINALLY is in the Top10 AFTER SO MANY BAD LUCKS THIS YEAR & COUNTING BACK!!!!!!!!! Jeff Gordon no question about will win Pocono & if he does Mark Martin will look back & say "You Know how can Jeff Gordon win 7x @ Pocono & I finish 2nd there 7x. Hmph guess I taught him everything he's still is & will always be 'The Chip off the ole block' even @ 42 years old, it shows." Jimmie Johnson 5x champion Mark Martin 5x Runner-Up well that was being said in 2010. Now the story so far the REPEAT of 2009 where no one will ever "Play Tag with the #48 likes it ever year" Clint Bowyer once said "if you finish ahead of Jimmie Johnson your gonna win a championship" BUT however Jeff Gordon in 2002 finish 1 spot ahead of Jimmie Johnson 2002-present that finish ahead of Jimmie Johnson 2002- Tony Stewart, Mark Martin, Kurt Busch (Upset), & JEFF GORDON!!!! 2003- Matt Kenseth (Champion) Upset 2004- Kurt Busch (Champion) Nother Upset 2005- Tony Stewart, Greg Biffle, Carl Edwards (Upset), Mark Martin (Oh Wow -_-) 2011- Tony Stewart (Upset), Carl Edwards (Would've been), Kevin Harvick, Matt Kenseth, Brad Keselowski. 2012- Brad Keselowski & Clint Bowyer Nowadays it's just fixed like the Miami Heat winning back to back championships (LeBron did it) Jimmie Johnson my reaction 2001- The Baby's born 2002- Welcome to Winston Cup Jimmie remember what Jimmy Spencer said (Well smoked a cigar) Don't smoke or your fired! 2003- Sophomore Runner-up 2004- NASCAR Hero to not win a championship 2005- Only Hendrick car in the Chase 2006- Jimmie Johnson, NOW he's a Hero. 2007- WTF just happen 2008- Cocky Attituder 2009- Never in the history of Mary Jane 2010- How is this possible!? CHEATER!!!!! 2011- What happen to Jimmie Johnson!? 2012- Nearly wins the championship (Finishes 3rd) HORRAY!!! 2013- The One Who Got Away (Replay of 2009) Hey I just mention Jimmie having 31 poles Ryan Newman has 50 poles a record establish by "The King (Active)" Jeff Gordon & his Daivd Pearson, Mark Martin. Well I'm out. Jeff Gordon must WIN!!! MAKE THE CHASE DRIVE FOR FIVE! 77. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.02.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Somehow I get the feeling Dale Jr. is gonna drop off these last 6 races and miss the Chase. I'm just looking at the points and I can't see that 88 team keeping up a 54-point lead." I have to disagree with you on this. I was reading an article the other day where Jr. said he is as focused as he's ever been, and that he has much confidence heading into each week and doesn't let adversity get the best of him. They've overcome many problems this year and gotten good finishes out of bad days. Look at Sonoma, a track he doesn't run well at, where he was able to finish 12th. At Kentucky, he ran 18-20th place all day long after damaging the front of the car and finished 12th. Last week at Indy, Jr. had a loose wheel, was last at one point, and was able to work strategy well en route to 6th place. I believe he will be fine and easily make the Chase. 78. Dense Drip posted: 08.02.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Kvapil out-qualified Kenseth, Jr., and Truex. Good qualifying run for him! 79. cjs3872 posted: 08.02.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) And SpeedWorld97, he was leading the race at Kentucky when he ran into that tire carcass, which damaged the front of his car. Dale, Jr. has the speed occasionally to run up front, but their strong suit seems to be finishing races, not contending for wins. That will get you into the Chase, but will get you in the bottom three or four once the Chase begins because they're not that aggressive. Plus, the #88 team has the constant specter of Chad Knaus hovering over their head, and who knows how much information, if any, will be shared between the 48 and 88 once the Chase begins. I also wonder if Chad Knaus is trying things he knows won't pass inspection just to go out later when the track is cooler. After all, the cooler the track, the higher the speeds, and maybe he doing these things to the car knowing they won't pass inspection, just so they have to go through again, which in turn will delay them getting to the line so they can go out a few minutes later, thus allowing them to run on a slightly cooler track, which in turn, would give them more grip. Those extra few minutes today may have been the difference in them getting the pole and not getting the pole, since the margin by which they won the pole was 0.004 seconds. Knaus will use anything to his advantage, and he may be using the problems that NASCAR's having with the inspection process to his advantage by trying things he know will never pass inspection just so his car can go out a few minutes later. Maybe the fact that the #48 car is not passing inspection prior to qualifying is an intentional act on Chad Knaus' part to gain an advantage in regards to track conditions for qualifying. Just something to think about. 80. VoteGillilandNotDanica2014 posted: 08.02.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He had at least a shot at making the race. The 40 had to beat 8 cars, and just because they did at Indy doesn't mean they will at Pocono. Now, he's sitting at home not making any money. I'd have shown up, even if just with a skeleton crew & 1 set of tires in case I did DNQ. 81. Eric posted: 08.02.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I do think cjs3872 is onto something with the 48 car. It is possible that Chad is going things to the car before inspection because they know NASCAR isn't doing know to the teams when they fail inspection before qualifying. I go an answer to fix that if I went in charge of NASCAR. What I would do is kick the crew chief and the car chief off racetrack grounds for that weekend to prevent teams doing that act of cheating on purpose before qualifying, so they can get qualify in better track conditions. 82. Bro Jackson posted: 08.02.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zackary Shawn, of course my name is a play on Bo haha. I was born on his 25th birthday during the MNF game where he set a MNF record for most rushing yards (Seattle vs. LA Raiders). It would be the biggest pre-Chase collapse for a guy to blow a 50-plus point cushion in 6 races, but the 88 team is just not looking good. I don't think they can keep these other teams at bay. It's a guarantee they're 7th by the end of Sunday, if not 8th. From there I think the slide ends with them 11th-13th by the end of Richmond. Just not enough reliability, talent, good strategy (aside from Indy) to make this year's Chase field. 83. Bro Jackson posted: 08.02.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, no driver has ever finished last in the Chase and made the Chase the next season. I think that bizarre trend continues. 84. cjs3872 posted: 08.02.2013 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Eric, the thing is that if a team does that, it can backfire on them because they don't have an unlimited amount of time. They only have five minutes to get their car to the front of the qualifying line if it's not excused for something like an engine change or a back-up car. Frankly, I'm surprised nobody's tried something like this before, putting something on the car they know will never pass inspection just so they can qualify later. In case you didn't notice, they had no pre-qualifying inspection issues before qualifying at Indy. Why? Because it would normally be a disadvantage to qualify later because of the late morning/early afternoon qualifying session, though the weather conditions nullified that, as far as Ryan Newman is concerned. But if they know they can get the car from the inspection station to the line in the required mount of time, what Chad Knaus seems to be doing by intentionally making sure the car fails inspection in order to qualify later is a brilliant move. After all, why do you think that for many years, teams would not even try to qualify for the Indianapolis 500 in their assigned qualifying position and wait until later in the day to do so? Because they wanted to wait until conditions were right. They can't do that in NASCAR because of the 5-minute rule, but they can fudge the draw by making it so they don't pass inspection to get to the line later to qualify in better conditions. Remember that in 2011, Knaus was the first crew chief to discover the flaw in the qualifying format when they would put the cars out in the opposite order of their first practice speeds by simply sandbagging in that practice when there was a late morning/early afternoon qualifying session, when going out earlier was an advantage, and going out later was a disadvantage. Knaus was the first crew chief to discover that flaw, and he may have figured out how to use the inspection process and the qualifying draw to his advantage by simply trying to make sure his car failed inspection so it wouldn't have to go out early when going out later would be an advantage. Knaus isn't trying to put something illegal on the car to qualify with an illegal car. He's trying to put something on it he knows won't pass inspection because he wants a better track to qualify on. He's just figuring out creative ways to gain an advantage, and discovering these little flaws is one way he's doing it, especially given the advantage winning the pole is when it comes to pit stops under caution with that #1 pit stall. Knaus, like it or not, is the best crew chief today because he figures out more ways to gain advantages that others don't see, and often it's not with cheated-up cars, though often it IS with cheated-up cars. In this case, as was the case with the qualifying system used the previous two years, Knaus is just that much more clever than any other crew chief in finding ways to gain advantages. And if he is intentionally making his car fail inspection to get better track conditions for qualifying, that's an absolutely brilliant move, because he's taking advantage of the rules, as they are written. 85. The Long Shot posted: 08.02.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (11) (0) "NASCAR's version of Jim Jones and Charles Manson, Rick Hendrick and Chad Knaus and Jimmie Johnson" If I were the webmaster, I would have deleted this comment by now. There is absolutely no comparison between Hendrick and Co. and Charles Manson, and to even go down that road is tasteless and vulgar. "JJ is the best NASCAR ( racer ) ever along with driver . He is the best at adjusting and telling his CC chad about the car adjustments and what it needs during every race. There would be no chad Knaus without Johnson . Put JJ in the 88 or 24, 5 , even 18 , i bet he would still win a chip and 4-8 races a year. With better drivers and engines and changing of the COT s now the Gen 6 I can say JJ is the best ever in NASCAR hands down. Gordon , Earnhardt , can not race this man . Only way to beat him is to crash him or a big 17-18 sec pit stop mistake . Only one that can beat JJ straight up is himself. Tougher competitors , cots , gen 6 cars , and u still cant beat this guy. Not to mention his mental toughness . Give credit where credit is due." This should be entered in the "Preposterous Statement Tournament". And in case anyone is wondering what in the world I'm talking about, I'll explain more in a blog post on Sunday at the earliest (I'll be at a karate seminar all day tomorrow). Basically, it's a compilation of the craziest, dumbest, and most preposterous things that anyone related to racing has said since the year began. If you like, you can start thinking of nominations for the tournament now. "I see we share similar political views, we hate 'em all!" Yep. Actually, to me, Obama sounds like a pretty cool guy outside of the Oval Office, so I'm not sure I'd hate him in that respect, but as a president, he's been pretty mediocre. "Boy, I can see the Kool-Aid drinkers are out in droves today thumbs-downing EVERY comment that reflects negatively of Johnson." NRF, you need to stop taking the ratings systems so seriously. "All I have to say is this: certain people here need to /knock it off/. Some of the comments have gone /way/ past legitmate complaining and satire to flat-out hate, personal attacks, and /slander/." I just have one word for you all: RESPECT. Why can't we all just be nice to each other? We've had some really nasty battles between some of us in the last few weeks, and I'm worried that it could reach the breaking point where somebody decides to completely leave the website. I don't want that to happen. I like you all, and I respect you a lot. PLEASE can we stop this fighting, before people's feelings get hurt? 86. murb posted: 08.03.2013 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (6) (0) It's amazing how a 15 year old Long Shot is making more sense and acting more mature than most of the 20 year olds (or older) on here. I totally understand that the frustration is because of the continued dominance and inspection problems with the 48 that Nascar isn't even batting an eye at, but the personal attacks towards other posters are uncalled for. I'm also REALLY tired of talking about/hearing about Jimmie, so I'm not even gonna comment on his pole and probably inevitable race win on Sunday. All I can say is that I can't wait for this weekend to be over so we can get on to Watkins Glen. 87. Eric posted: 08.03.2013 - 12:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, I actually been away of the 5 minute rule NASCAR has since the 1990's. I also followed CART back even before I became a fan of NASCAR in 1993. 1 to 5 minutes of a race car getting on the track later is enough to cause an advantage such as cloud cover and when time of day when qualifying is. 88. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 12:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, no driver has ever finished last in the Chase and made the Chase the next season. I think that bizarre trend continues." This was the pre-12 driver Chase, but I'm almost certain Jeremy Mayfield did that in 2004 and 2005 and so did Kyle Busch in 2006 and 2007. Denny Hamlin did it in 2007 and 2008 which was after the 12 driver Chase. So that stat isn't nearly as strong as it appears. Also, I go to Auburn and Bo Jackson is almost like a god on campus, of course. 89. jabber1990 posted: 08.03.2013 - 1:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's amazing how a 15 year old Long Shot is making more sense and acting more mature than most of the 20 year olds (or older) on here." im my defense im not really all that smart. also im a terrible writer, I cant put together a decent sentence that doesn't sound terrible the moment I realize that and the moment MOST of my ideas suck..the easier my life will get, ill stop obsessing over my stories and get back to reality 90. Paul posted: 08.03.2013 - 3:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 83andJoe (#60), you and I feel the same way regarding the abrupt change in atmosphere that this page has made over the past few months. Just read the comments on the Nationwide race at Indy last week, where it seemed like everyone was just burying the entire race from start to finish. I didn't see that race, but if I did see it and was bored out of my mind from it, I would simply turn off the tv and go do something else. As Geoff Bodine said in a post-race interview in the late '90s following a Truck race: "Life's too darn short to get mad all the time." Based strictly on the comments pages as of late, it's pretty obvious that not everyone here follows that way of thinking. As for the qualifying results, I'm happy to see Kurt Busch (5th), both RPM cars (8th, 10th), and AJ Allmendinger (15th) all had solid qualifying runs, which could mean for good finishes since the racing at Pocono tends to string out fairly quickly. I don't expect Kurt to win this race or any race this season (the driver can only do so much in this day and age), but I expect to see him run inside the top ten all race long, hopefully with a finishing position that reflects off of his performance (i.e no crashes, mechanical failures, mistakes on pit road, bad strategy, etc.). As for Gordon, at least he out-qualified Travis Kvapil, unlike some other drivers towards the top of the standings. Will he be able to make it three consecutive seasons with a victory at Pocono? We shall see. 91. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) If such is the case cjs, I wouldn't be surprised, because as you mentioned Chad was one of the first sandbaggers in 2011. If such is the case the reason no one else has done is probably because they know it's thoroughly... unethical(?). 92. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (9) (0) Well, some of mentioned the change of atmosphere here, in the comments section. Well, I must admit that with every passing week I have less and less desire to read comments, because of amount of hatred, paranoia, personal insults, sex related jokes (NRF, this one is about your remarks mostly) and weak satire. What once was the best place to discuss NASCAR (I do not post here often, but I got so much useful information from many of you that it's difficult to express my gratitude) is quickly turning into something horrible. The were many posts urging to stop veering from the path RR was destined to go, but I'm feeling that it didn't help. Yes, NASCAR racing sucks this year, but it's not the reason to overreact that much. Rant over) 93. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I do wanna give props to Kyle Busch for calling the 48 out in the way he did. Can you blame him? 94. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 8:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) "Well, some of mentioned the change of atmosphere here, in the comments section. Well, I must admit that with every passing week I have less and less desire to read comments, because of amount of hatred, paranoia, personal insults, sex related jokes (NRF, this one is about your remarks mostly) and weak satire. What once was the best place to discuss NASCAR (I do not post here often, but I got so much useful information from many of you that it's difficult to express my gratitude) is quickly turning into something horrible. The were many posts urging to stop veering from the path RR was destined to go, but I'm feeling that it didn't help. Yes, NASCAR racing sucks this year, but it's not the reason to overreact that much. Rant over)" I agree wholeheartedly. Your name sounds Russian, but your English is as good as a native speaker's. If you really are Russian, then kudos to you. 95. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 10:14 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hmm, Bro Jackson (#83)? It seems like Dale Earnhardt, Jr. should be able to make it comfortably, and he did finish last in the Chase last year, because he was forced to miss two races due to his concussion issues. Dale, Jr. is currently fifth in points, so he should get in without much of a problem. And murb, a win by Jimmie Johnson tomorrow may be inevitable (though with the Toyota engines back at full power, it might not be as inevitable as you think), but next week at Watkins Glen will probably have an equally inevitable result with Marcos Ambrose likely dominating in similar fashion, unless something happens to his car, and if it does, I look for Juan Montoya to pick up the pieces. But the race for third might be interesting. 96. We need more Onion posted: 08.03.2013 - 10:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @83, urm Mayfield, Kyle Busch and Hamlin don't count? 97. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) At Watkins Glen I will be looking for Special Brad K. to do well. 98. Kenny posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is jr 25th when he was one of the last cars to go out? 99. Bro Jackson posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, I go to Auburn and Bo Jackson is almost like a god on campus, of course." I lived in Auburn, didn't attend the school (moved after graduating college) the year the team won the title in 2010. But back to the 88 point, Letarte is missing setups left and right, and they're having ridiculous problems like pre-race loose wheels, engine problems at every fast track, poor strategy and driver, crew chief and pit crew mistakes. I just think they can't hold a 57-point cushion for six races. Too many issues with that team right now. They need a few top-10s to lock themselves in and I don't see it. It's also interesting to note that Dale Jr. has not won a NASCAR-sanctioned race in an odd-numbered year since 2005. 100. Bro Jackson posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For whatever reason the 88 bunch are not performing as well as they were last year. Of course it's gonna take an act of God to stop the 48 anyway. 101. Ivan Balakhonov posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In response to: 94. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 8:03 am Yes, your guess is correct. I'm from Russia, though it's not an obstacle to be a passionate fan of American motorsports. Me and my buddy Frank (who also posts here from time to time) have a web site dedicated to NASCAR and its history and when it's vacation time I usually travel to NASCAR events. For instance, earlier this year I went to Richmond and Talladega and enjoyed it very much. It was just sort of introducing myself. 102. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) Country of origin is definitely not an obstacle to liking American racing. There are two proofs of that: (1) You're here, and (2) the American Le Mans Series is the most popular sports car racing series in the world, including in Italy. 103. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs Ambrose will probably score a podium next week but not necessarily a win Kyle Busch should have won the last 2 watkins glen races on speed alone. Johnson needs to lead 51 more laps to reach 15000 and join Rusty Wallace and the "big 7" in that category. Paul Kurt can win a race before the year is out and could sneak a chase point which I would like to see.He tested at the glen so they are obviously targeting that race. I don't know why Kyle or someone doesn't rough up Johnson since we know he can be intimidated ask Kurt for some tips maybe.Earnhardt would have bumped him plenty of times and so would Rusty, this generation (Kahne Kenseth Hamlin Edwards Kyle) have just let Johnson walk all over them 104. Anonymous posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Ivan Balkhanov: "Yes, your guess is correct. I'm from Russia, though it's not an obstacle to be a passionate fan of American motorsports. Me and my buddy Frank (who also posts here from time to time) have a web site dedicated to NASCAR and its history and when it's vacation time I usually travel to NASCAR events. For instance, earlier this year I went to Richmond and Talladega and enjoyed it very much. It was just sort of introducing myself. " KubicaFanIreland: "Cjs Ambrose will probably score a podium next week but not necessarily a win Kyle Busch should have won the last 2 watkins glen races on speed alone. Johnson needs to lead 51 more laps to reach 15000 and join Rusty Wallace and the "big 7" in that category. Paul Kurt can win a race before the year is out and could sneak a chase point which I would like to see.He tested at the glen so they are obviously targeting that race. I don't know why Kyle or someone doesn't rough up Johnson since we know he can be intimidated ask Kurt for some tips maybe.Earnhardt would have bumped him plenty of times and so would Rusty, this generation (Kahne Kenseth Hamlin Edwards Kyle) have just let Johnson walk all over them " Sad, the Russian person has more coherent grammar and structure than the Irish person. 105. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kubica fan Ireland, I don't think Kurt Busch can win a race with the team he's got. What happened at the All-Star Race proved that. He easily had the best car, but had a slow pit stop on the last one. A small team like the one he drives for lacks the manpower to challenge the top teams, and that manpower disadvantage is best exemplified in the pit crew. He's got he equipment and even the crew chief, but does not have the manpower. The same thing holds the Wood Brothers back in the races they run in which they're competitive. They can't afford to have the people to have fast pit stops, and it shows. Remember that, although both teams won in 2011, one must consider the circumstances under which they won. When the Woods won at Daytona, they did so largely with the fastest car and fuel-only pit stops. Every time they tried to change tires, they had a horribly slow pit stop that took them from the front to the back, but they had such a fast car that they could make it up. W they made a green flag pit stop from the lead later that year at Talladega, their stop was so slow that they ended up more than 20 seconds behind the leaders and in a wreck they should not have been in. And when Furniture Row Racing, Kurt Busch's current team, won the Southern 500 in 2011, it was because of a pit stop they did not make, as they stayed out on the last caution pit stop sequence, which put them in front. If there's a race now where they have a chance to win, the only way they can win is not to pit, because that's where their lack of manpower shows up. 106. 83andJoe posted: 08.03.2013 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >Why is jr 25th when he was one of the last cars to go out? They don't run Cup qualifying by practice time inversion anymore, it's back to the random draw (and better for it). 107. Peter posted: 08.03.2013 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (5) (6) NicoRosbergFan shut the hell up and stop watching NASCAR, it's fine you don't like JJ but at lest respect all he has accomplished; he juts drives the car so don't call him a cheater - you douche 108. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why is jr 25th when he was one of the last cars to go out? " And he's been battling quite the vibration ever since they unloaded, which really sucks for him considering practice was rained out. "But back to the 88 point, Letarte is missing setups left and right, and they're having ridiculous problems like pre-race loose wheels, engine problems at every fast track, poor strategy and driver, crew chief and pit crew mistakes. I just think they can't hold a 57-point cushion for six races. Too many issues with that team right now. They need a few top-10s to lock themselves in and I don't see it." I'm actually starting to think this will be a bad race for Jr. but I still think he will make the Chase especially since the final 4 races leading up to the Chase are 4 of his best tracks. Besides, the only 2 times Jr. has finished outside of the top 15 in the last 10 races were Charlotte and Michigan, and he easily could have won Michigan if it weren't for engine troubles. I'm just not seeing how a team that managed to rally from dead last at one point at Indy all the way to finish 6th is in the struggle that you seem to be insinuating they are in. How can a team that rallies from last to 6th at a track that's damn near impossible to pass on be having poor strategy or pit mistakes? I just don't see it that way. 109. JG24FanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) "NicoRosbergFan shut the hell up and stop watching NASCAR, it's fine you don't like JJ but at lest respect all he has accomplished; he juts drives the car so don't call him a cheater - you douche" Leave the kid alone. He has a right to not like JJ and the whole Hendrick bunch if he doesn't want to. If he feels like venting let him. No need for name calling. 110. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Agreed 83andJoe, but as I mentioned, Chad Knaus seems to have found the one weak spot in that, and that is by putting stuff on the car to make sure it fails inspection on purpose, just so his car could go out later with better track conditions. In fact, Kyle Busch even insinuated yesterday that Knaus is doing this very thing. But it's a risk to do this because of the 5-minute clock, because if you miss it, you don't get to qualify. Again, if Knaus is deliberately trying to fail inspection to go out at a later time when track conditions figure to improve, it's a brilliant move on his part because he's basically stringing NASCAR along, taking advantage of the inspection issues NASCAR's been having this year, while at the same time taking advantage of the rules, as they are written, as it pertains to qualifying. Like him or not, and almost everyone on this board vehemently dislikes him, this is why he's the best in his profession, because he continues to try to find ways to take advantage of the rules, and this is another case of that, just as he figured a way around the procedure that sent cars out in the opposite order of the speeds in which they produced in the first practice on weekends where they qualified on Saturday. The idea is to qualify with better track conditions, and Knaus is a step or two ahead of the other teams and NASCAR. 111. Paul posted: 08.03.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) If that is in fact what Chad Knaus is doing, perhaps NASCAR should step in and make a new rule stating that any team that fails pre-qualifying tech forfeits their qualifying attempt. This would eliminate the possibility of teams intentionally tanking in the inspection process (not unlike last season when teams tanked in practice so that they could qualify earlier), while also encouraging teams to stay out of that gray area with their setups just to be sure that they pass the technical inspection (especially since provisionals are back in place). 112. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (7) (2) The overall atmosphere here has shifted to negative for a reason. We are not here griping just to gripe. This site has mostly true fans of motor RACING. And our mood reflects the state of NASCAR. For me personally, I love this sport and am disgusted with the way it has gone. To see blatently dirty business go down right in front of our noses between NASCAR and Rick is extremely frustrating. This season has shown just how middle of the road JJ is as a driver. He can hold a pretty wheel with a superior car, but cannot handle any challenges. And this is our 5 time champ? I want this sport to be as fun as it once was. I know it is capable. But this year has tested our patience like no other, and it is a culmination of frustration dating back to 2004. We don't just quit watching holding out hope it will be fun again. This isn't blind hate or bitching just to bitch. We have legitimate frustrations. 113. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) ""NicoRosbergFan shut the hell up and stop watching NASCAR, it's fine you don't like JJ but at lest respect all he has accomplished; he juts drives the car so don't call him a cheater - you douche" Leave the kid alone. He has a right to not like JJ and the whole Hendrick bunch if he doesn't want to. If he feels like venting let him. No need for name calling. " Why, thank you, JG24FF! 114. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) "Agreed 83andJoe, but as I mentioned, Chad Knaus seems to have found the one weak spot in that, and that is by putting stuff on the car to make sure it fails inspection on purpose, just so his car could go out later with better track conditions. In fact, Kyle Busch even insinuated yesterday that Knaus is doing this very thing. But it's a risk to do this because of the 5-minute clock, because if you miss it, you don't get to qualify. Again, if Knaus is deliberately trying to fail inspection to go out at a later time when track conditions figure to improve, it's a brilliant move on his part because he's basically stringing NASCAR along, taking advantage of the inspection issues NASCAR's been having this year, while at the same time taking advantage of the rules, as they are written, as it pertains to qualifying. Like him or not, and almost everyone on this board vehemently dislikes him, this is why he's the best in his profession, because he continues to try to find ways to take advantage of the rules, and this is another case of that, just as he figured a way around the procedure that sent cars out in the opposite order of the speeds in which they produced in the first practice on weekends where they qualified on Saturday. The idea is to qualify with better track conditions, and Knaus is a step or two ahead of the other teams and NASCAR. " Again, though, it says that Chad can't just put together a good car within the black and white of the rule book. He either has to find a loophole (like this) or blatantly cheat (like Las Vegas 2005). You know what's sad? The fact that Chad and Rick are clearly the disgusting people behind all this. 10-12 years ago Jimmie wasn't that bad of a guy, but he's been corrupted by the bad influences of his crew chief and owner enough that he became like them. 115. Sky Warrior posted: 08.03.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only 10 of the 20 Cup races this season have officially had a DNQ, excluding withdrawn entries. Only 10 of 20 races even drew 43 cars. Cutting the purse for the back end of the field sure was a good idea huh NASCAR and Bruton Smith? 116. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.03.2013 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I remember Jimmie Johnson's debut into NASCAR's top series. He looked like an average, humble guy. He was most known for his awful Watkins Glen crash. He started racing in the top series and seemed to be a guy the average fan would want to cheer for. Now, he's a fitness buff, five-time champion and married to a model. Those are characteristics that aren't necessarily traits that NASCAR has been built on over the organization's existence. He's picked up a massive ego during this time, too, obviously. Maybe it's because he knows he is going to be successful, or maybe it's because all of his success has went straight to his head. Either way, there's been a noticeable difference in Jimmie's behavior, appearance and attitude over the past five years. I'm not intending this to be a bash to Jimmie Johnson, but he's had a considerable change in personality through his NASCAR career. 117. murb posted: 08.03.2013 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) It's perfectly cool to vent about this Jimmie stuff. In fact, that's what makes the site so much fun. But we still need to respect other posters. I disagree with a lot of what guys like MStall41 and Jim Davis say, but I still respect them for forming thought provoking opinions. Just because they have a different point of view doesn't mean they are "trolls" or "kool aid drinkers". If we can respect other people's opinions, we'll be back to how we used to be. 118. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sky Warrior, isn't there a possibility that this has more than a little to do with a change in the cars from the car that had been run since 2007, because it just might be a case of teams not being able to afford the changeover. Also, there's still the lack of quality cars and teams that is partially due to the old 35/8 rule NASCAR had that guaranteed 35 spots, leaving just eight open spots for other teams. That, plus the mergers brought about by the bad economy from 2008-'11 reduced the number of quality cars and teams. Lets also not forget that in recent years, Childress has gone between three and four cars, Roush has gone from four to three cars, and Penske has gone from three cars to two, and that 35/8 rule effectively kept new teams from forming without points guarantees. As a result, there are only about 22-25 quality cars and at least three or four of those are performing far below potential because of the driver (10, 17, and 31 to name three of them). Sure the car count could be better, and I think it will get better when RCR goes to four teams, and Roush eventually follows suit by bringing back his flagship #6 car in the future. Hopefully, NASCAR can get 50 cars to show up at Daytona, and 47+ to show up at Charlotte and Indy in the future, possibly as early as next year. 119. Sky Warrior posted: 08.03.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) cjs, you've definitely got a good point there, and that's probably a big part of why the car count is so low. But when you think about it, what NASCAR essentially did is lower minimum wage for drivers/teams. And why? To try and eliminate start-and-parking, otherwise known as (usually) teams that don't have enough money to run full races in the first place, so we should give them less. What if real life did that? Obama just comes out and says "The government is tired of all these people who are struggling in poverty with minimum wage jobs, so we're lowering minimum wage to encourage those people to get better paying jobs." Might be a bit of an extreme comparison, but the point I wanted to emphasize is that once again, Bruton Smith is a rich idiot out of touch with the sport he tries to control like a puppet 120. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Bruton is out of touch with more than just the sport. He's out of touch with reality as a whole. 121. Anonymous posted: 08.03.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't we all go back to bashing danica??? 122. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well, Bruton is basically a senile old man. After all, he's in his early-to-mid 80s. But Bruton has always had an adversarial relationship with NASCAR going all the way back to when his Charlotte Motor Speedway was first built. It was in such financial peril that Bruton and Curtis Turner aligned themselves with the Teamsters Union, and we all know how that ended up. As an end result, Bruton left the spot for a great many years, and Richard Howard actually ran the facility for a number of years until Bruton got back the reins. Now make no mistake about it, Bruton Smith and Humpy Wheeler had many great ideas that helped NASCAR in it's boom years in the 90s and early 2000s, the most notable of which was having the All-Star Race at Charlotte after the Atlanta disaster and putting lights there in 1992, which eventually enabled the Charlotte Motor Speedway to not have to compete head-to-head with Indy, which was a battle they were always going to lose, so they just moved the Coca-Cola 600 to a daylight-to-dark race in 1994 and the race fans across the country were the big winners there. But that was only made possible by the decision to install lights. But Bruton's age over the last few years has gotten the best of him. He's always been a blowhard, but his ideas usually seem more idiotic with each passing one, something I chalk up to age. But I do think he and Eddie Gossage are right about reducing the pay at the back of the field because last year, we were talking about Cup races with double-digit S&Ps. Last week, they ran a race at Indy with every starter finishing the race. But I also wonder how long some of these unsponsored teams are going to continue to try to run the full distance, especially Tommy Baldwin Racing, which has taken one or two steps backward this year. By season's end, we could be back to six or seven S&Ps in each race, which in turn effects the points structure for those competing for the title because the maximum number of points that can be gained is affected by the number of S&Ps in a given race. 123. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "cjs, you've definitely got a good point there, and that's probably a big part of why the car count is so low. But when you think about it, what NASCAR essentially did is lower minimum wage for drivers/teams. And why? To try and eliminate start-and-parking, otherwise known as (usually) teams that don't have enough money to run full races in the first place, so we should give them less. What if real life did that? Obama just comes out and says "The government is tired of all these people who are struggling in poverty with minimum wage jobs, so we're lowering minimum wage to encourage those people to get better paying jobs." Might be a bit of an extreme comparison, but the point I wanted to emphasize is that once again, Bruton Smith is a rich idiot out of touch with the sport he tries to control like a pup." I don't know about this, SkyWarrior. Here me out... 1) Try to put yourself in the position of the track and race sponsor. Would you want to pay $50-80,000 to a guy who just goes out and makes a lap or two and then quit because of a "vibration"? 2) When S&Ping reached it's height last year, these guys were bringing in more in one race than the median American household was bringing in in ONE YEAR. It's very hard for me to feel sorry for someone who is trying to fund his very expensive hobby by S&Ping when there are families here in America who are struggling every to put food on the table for their kids every day and stay up late at night wondering how they are gonna make it through the week. Look at Joe Nemechck. He made $1.6 million in Sprint Cup alone last year. Even if 80% of that went to his race team that still leaves him with over $300,000 per year, much more than the measly $54,000 median family income. 3) I don't like the minimum wage comparison because minimum wage is such a farce in this country. It is literally nothing more than a political ploy used by certain politicians to secure the vote of the lower class and those who vote on emotion rather than logic. If I'm not mistaken minimum wage is around $7/hour which for an 8 hour/day, 5 days/week, 52 weeks/year job comes out to $14,560. Even if you raise that just $1 that increase minimum wage to $16,640 a difference of $2,080 PER EMPLOYEE. If you own a small business, the backbone for employment in this country, where are you supposed to come up the money to pay the difference? Is it going to come from the money you use to provide for your family? Not likely. So then what's going to happen? Either the employer is going to lay off minimum wage employees meaning they won't have a job at all now, or he's going to raise prices on his products to make up the difference. If he raises prices that's going to be passes off to you and me and everyone else and will most negatively affect, you guessed it, those making minimum wage. I'll let you decide if that applies to NASCAR on a macro level. 124. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some notes about what I just said. I was in no way trying to imply Joe Nemecheck is a bad guy, or call him out in any way. I know there is at least on big Nemecheck fan on here. I also know Nationwide is really where he focuses his time and where runs for points, but the money he gets from that wasn't even factored in. The only point I was trying to make by using him is that I don't think these S&Pers are struggling to make ends meat and it's just hard for me to fell bad for them in that respect. 125. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Guys, I am still buzzing over Ryan Blaney's win in the Trucks. Those BKR Trucks are not top of the line equipment, yet he won on the short track last year, and just won on the triangle with two complete valls out restarts. And he is still very young. You know hasn't won for Brad Keselowski in Trucks? 2012 Sprint Cup champ Brad Keselowski! With The Captain hinting he will start a 3rd Cup team next year for Sam, hopefully Ryan gets two full Nationwide seasons in that #12 car (with the #22 still to keep the claim jumpers Joey and Brad happy <_<), then off to Cup to take over for Lozano, beginning a Penske dynasty with Brad, Ryan, Sam, and Dinger (who will get factored in somehow). Then NASCAR becomes fun again, the fans come back in droves, and they go back to cramming us into the tracks like sardines.THERE IS HOPE! 126. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) I'll start... what the heck is Danica doing down in the 30s when she is driving a Hendrick powered car for SHR. Guess who's bringing up the field behind her? That's right: field fillers! 127. 18fan posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think trying to run 2 full time teams has really hurt TBR. 128. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Boy, I don't believe the "Southern 500" counts anymore since it's not on Labor Day Weekend, but what kind of writer (David Fig-Newton, of course) would call a win in an NNS race at Indy bigger than a win at Darlington, as he just said of Shrubby? 129. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) August is Johnson's least productive month, he has just 3 wins so there is hope. 130. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A Penske NASCAR dynasty, DSFF? I seriously doubt it, especially if you include Sam Hornish, Jr. among the drivers. If Penske brought Hornish up to Cup next year or any time in the future, he wouldn't run any better than he did before (mid-teens to low 20s). I'll take Joey Logano over Hornish in a NASCAR vehicle any day. Ryan Blaney's another matter. What he did at Texas in the Nationwide race last year, nearly upsetting the Cup guys, shows me he can handle the NASCAR machines. I just hope Penske doesn't do the same with him as he did with Justin Allgaier and Parker Kligerman. Then again, this is Ford we're talking about, and they've never done very well developing drivers. The Ford brass has always seemed to prefer veteran drivers. The mere fact that, at 43 wins, Ned Jarrett is STILL Ford's all-time winningest driver nearly 50 years after his retirement, should say that more than anything else. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Jack Roush hires Ryan Newman over Trevor Bayne if he brings his #6 back for just that reason, as well as his ability to help set up a car, which Roush is desperately lacking this year. But back to the Penske situation. I think that bringing Newman back would be a better idea than to bring Sam Hornish, Jr. back to the Cup Series. At least Newman can win races in the Cup Series, and Hornish will likely never even threaten to get to victory lane in the Cup Series. And one thing I think Penske lacks is something that Roush has noticeably lacked this year, and that's a veteran presence, and that's something else Newman would give them. 131. 83andJoe posted: 08.03.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) >It's very hard for me to feel sorry for someone who is trying to fund his very expensive hobby by S&Ping when there are families here in America who are struggling every to put food on the table for their kids every day and stay up late at night wondering how they are gonna make it through the week. And you know what's interesting? If the teams did NOT S&P, they'd close...and their crewmembers would be struggling to fid jobs and provide food for their families and wondering how they'd make it through the week. >Look at Joe Nemech[e]ck. He made $1.6 million in Sprint Cup alone last year. Even if 80% of that went to his race team that still leaves him with over $300,000 per year, Probably 95% of that goes into the race team. If not ALL of it. Fuel, tires, engines, rebuilding cars, paying the crewmembers, taxes... 132. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And you know what's interesting? If the teams did NOT S&P, they'd close...and their crewmembers would be struggling to fid jobs and provide food for their families and wondering how they'd make it through the week." I never said teams shouldn't S&P. I merely said that I don't know how I can feel sorry for them when they're bringing in about $50-80,000 per race and some teams are running whole races and not bringing in much more. Any way you look at it, that's a lot of money. Even using your number of 95% (which I strongly dispute) they bring in about $2,500-$4,000 per race or about $90,000-$144,000 per year in profits. Let's just average it and say a single car team brings in $65,000 per race. That ends up being $2,340,000 per year in revenue. Let's say the driver gets $1 million, equipment costs $500,000 (because let's be honest...they aren't spending as much on equipment as big teams are, or they would be running up front), and the owner keeps $500,000 for himself (or any combination of $2,000,000 you can come up with). That still leaves $340,000 to pay the crew members with. If they have 10 crew members which I think is a little much for an S&P team since they clearly are down on members that would be $34,000 per year for each of them. The $54,000 figure is for family income which would include a wife bringing in money as well. I could be completely off on the numbers, so this is merely speculation. So yeah, maybe sympathy for the crew members, but the drivers and owners...not so much. Besides I have to wonder if a pit crew member for an S&P team really uses that job as his primary job, or if has another either elsewhere in NASCAR or in another industry all together. "Probably 95% of that goes into the race team. If not ALL of it. Fuel, tires, engines, rebuilding cars, paying the crewmembers, taxes..." Again, I dispute that number, but even if you're right...I was wrong before Nemecheck brought in $2.5 million in Sprint Cup last year and $800K in Nationwide, a total of $3.3 million. Even if 95% goes to the team that's still $165,000 he made last year. That's a lot in my opinion 133. JG24FanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is Alex Rodriguez about to be banned for life from baseball? This makes 4 players with 583 home runs or more that are effectively banished from the all-time home-run list for the violation of juicing: Barry Bonds,A-Rod,Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcgwire(who I still love and have a ton of respect for as a person). Why exactly has baseball gotten to this level anyway? Was it the crumbling interest after the strike that caused the head office folks to push home-run totals by allowing the players to "beef up", and also the wide speculation of the balls being juiced just for the effect of overwhelmingly inflated home-run totals? From 1962-1993 only George Foster hit 50 home-runs in a season. By 1998 four players had at least 50 homers that year, and also the same was true in 2001. Before the explosion, there had never been more than two 50 homer men in a season. Who's ultimately to blame for the steroid era? The players or MLB? 134. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let me just start over...an underfunded multi-car team who intends on running the entire distance (FRM, TBR), I feel sorry for. They have a lot of expenses and aren't getting paid that much more than an S&P team. A single car team that S&Ps (which usually means you have little to no pit crew and it's doubtful whether they are full time) and gets paid just about the same as one of the teams mentioned above...not so much. Everyone in the world has expenses and they don't get paid $50-80,000 per week to cover them, nor do they have the benefit of having made a lot of money by previously having been a somewhat successful NASCAR driver. Again, I don't care if teams start and park. Honestly, if I could afford a car and engine i'd probably try to do it every now and then, but I just don't know if I'm going to feel bad for them. The crew members perhaps, but not the drivers and owners. A note on crew members...if they are good enough they should be able to move up to better and more stable teams anyway and if they aren't any good they should probably find a job where they are more productive anyway. I know that sounds harsh, but that's capitalism. Aren't teams both big and small hiring and firing crew members all the time anyway? We'd never know because the crews never get their deserved recognition anyway. 135. Eric posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, I really haven't followed MLB since the 1994 strike, but I can give you some answers. You are wrong about George Foster being the only player to hit 50 homeruns a season from 1962 to 1993. Cecil Fielder hit 51 homeruns in 1990. Part of the homerun totals was caused by expansion in the 1990's and another part is caused by steroids. The 4 expansion teams in the 1990's caused caused the pitching being watered down. The steroid part of baseball really started with Jose Canseco. The owners and commissioner of Baseball wanted to ban steroids before the 1994 strike, but the players union didn't want steroids to be banned. At the time time Steroids was a banned substance in the states. The 1994 strike also caused MLB not to ban steroids since the popularity of MLB was down for a time. The players and MLB has an equal part to blame. At the same time, the media should be blamed also. The fact is the media know about Steroids back in the 1990's, but didn't report it because of stuff like 1998 homerun chase, and trying to get MLB's popularity back. 136. 83andJoe posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) >Who's ultimately to blame for the steroid era? The players or MLB? I'd say "the people who decided to go all OMG ROIDS when they do nothing to remove the human element from the game", but then again I suspect I'm quite the minority there. >A note on crew members...if they are good enough they should be able to move up to better and more stable teams anyway and if they aren't any good they should probably find a job where they are more productive anyway. You could say the same thing about drivers, but Johanna Long is still driving for ML Motorsports... 137. ch posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Absolutely, you can find nearly complete trucks for about 20K. (The old #87 team of Chris Jones is up for sale for 80K including two race ready trucks with engines, a few other bodies, pit box, equipment, and even a hauler). From there, you really only need one set of tires if your start and parking. As for racing fuel, it's free. For lodging, I'd follow TriStar. They get rooms for free by putting a small sticker on the #10 car, and filling in the hotel as the sponsor for the weekend. If you can convince your family to help you out on the truck for the weekend, there's your labor. Then find the races that aren't full fields (had plenty of those in the trucks this year), and you've got about 7K for minimal work. Sure, you have the entry fee, gas to and from, racing insurance, and the driver, but even after all of that you could probably qualify a REALLY TERRIBLE truck into the race by default, and make 3-4K for a few days worth of work. Just look at the #0 / #38 this weekend. 138. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "You could say the same thing about drivers, but Johanna Long is still driving for ML Motorsports..." No...it's not the same. Crew members don't have to be marketable to sponsors. Drivers do. Sad, but true. 139. 12345Dude posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MLB most people in very competive places especially like sports will always try to find a way to cheat without getting caught. Drivers running at local race tracks are always trying to find out how to cheat 140. Chives5150 posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Alex Rodriguez is indeed banned for life, you won't see me crying. (Then again, I'm a Red Sox and Rangers fan, so maybe I shouldn't be allowed to talk about that subject :P) 141. JG24FanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You are wrong about George Foster being the only player to hit 50 homeruns a season from 1962 to 1993. Cecil Fielder hit 51 homeruns in 1990." Of course I would forget something. Here is a list of the all-time single season home-run totals Barry Bonds *73 in 2001 (his second highest total is 49 in 2000.) Mark Mcgwire *70 in 1998 Sammy Sosa *66 in 1998 Mark Mcgwire *65 in 1999 Sammy Sosa *64 in 2001 Sammy Sosa *63 in 1999 Roger Maris 61 in 1961 (It's still the AL record after 52 years!!) Babe Ruth 60 in 1927 (He had 30 more homers than the highest NL total that season!) "the people who decided to go all OMG ROIDS when they do nothing to remove the human element from the game" How does Barry Bonds at age 37 all of sudden become "Super Human" and hit 73?? 142. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think you mean from 1966-'89, JG24FF. In 1965, Willie Mays hit 52 HR for he Giants and in 1990, Cecil Fielder hit 51 HR for the Tigers (and hit 44 the following year). And it was Cecil Fielder that actually brought back the HR to the popularity it first enjoyed in the Babe Ruth era. Let's also not forget that both Mark McGwire and Andre Dawson hit 49 in 1987, and George Bell hit 47 that same year. Frank Robinson, Harmon Killebrew, Mike Schmidt, Dave Kingman, Reggie Jackson, Willie Stargell, and Hank Aaron were among those that also threatened 50 HR in that period, but never got there. But only three players, Willie McCovey (in 1978), Reggie Jackson (in 1984), and Mike Schmidt (in 1987) collected their 500th HR from 1972-'95. Eight collected their 500th HR from 1960-'71 and ten have done it since 1999 (Eddie Murray got #500 in 1996). But a substantial reason there was only one man that hit 50 HR in a season over a 24-year period (1966-'89) had to do with the bigger, circular-style ballparks and multi-purpose stadiums that were predominantly used in that period. Those kind of stadiums were used in San Diego, Anaheim, San Francisco, Oakland, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New York (Mets), St. Louis, and Montreal, not to mention the cavernous Astrodome in Houston where the ball never carried, so the ballparks in use had a lot to do with the suppression of HRs during that period. 143. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I agree with everything said so far about baseball. And I hope A Roid gets banned for life. 144. Eric posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, I mentioned MLB and the players for an equal part for a reason. The Players Union in baseball under Donald Fehr was for drug use at the time. Tony Phillips in 1997 was arrested for drug possession of cocaine and the time he played was about to suspend him, but the Players Union stopped in and Tony Phillips didn't punish by MLB by the players union. That meant the Players Union under Donald Fehr was so powerful in the 1990's that a drug lord can get off drug charges. Steroids in the 1990's already was declared illegal in the United States because of federal laws, but the Players Union didn't want to follow it. MLB also is at fault not not doing anything because the owner's made money off homeruns. MLB also liked the marketing also including the "Chicks did the longball" ad. The owners know their sport was losing popularity because of the 1994 strike and wanted to gain back the popularity it had. 145. 83andJoe posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) >How does Barry Bonds at age 37 all of sudden become "Super Human" and hit 73?? Because he's still having to hit the ball with a wooden bat held by human hands? Yes, they help the muscles (human muscles!!) hit the ball harder. But last time I checked they don't help with hand-eye coordination. 146. JG24FanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think you mean from 1966-'89, JG24FF. In 1965, Willie Mays hit 52 HR for he Giants" Damnit!! 147. 83andJoe posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >No...it's not the same. Crew members don't have to be marketable to sponsors. Drivers do. And she isn't marketable, you're saying, then? 148. JG24FanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But last time I checked they don't help with hand-eye coordination." I understand this completely. But 73 at 37? When do ball-players improve that much with age? 149. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.03.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And she isn't marketable, you're saying, then?" NO. I love Johanna. She grew up in a town about 45 minutes away from where I grew up so I consider her a bit of a hometown girl. What I'm saying is that you can't compare a driver and a pit crew member. Johanna's biggest problem right now is a problem that is plaguing a lot of good drivers...there simply aren't enough good quality rides and she never signed on with any type of development deal as far as I know, possibly due to her (admirable but foolish) loyalty to ML Motorsports. 150. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Looks like A Roid is done until 2015. Good riddance asshole! 151. JG24FanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shoeless Joe Jackson's grave is just a little over a mile from where I live, and it's damn shame that he's been shunned from baseball after all this time for something that he didn't really have a hand in, never-mind the fact that he was acquitted, and yet he's held in the same class as players like Alex Rodriguez,who will never make Cooperstown. 152. JG24FanForever posted: 08.03.2013 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like A Roid is done until 2015." No,his career is over. He won't be back. 153. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.03.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Can't we all go back to bashing danica???" Well I do have a funny story involving Danica from Mid-Ohio today. I was in the IndyCar fan village waiting to get driver autographs when the host of the village chose five people in line to do their best impression of someone. The winner would receive a die-cast they could get autographed. A woman who appeared Danica's age did an awesome impression of her by crying "It's not my fault, it's the car!" Sure enough, she won. 154. epzik8 posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Wow...the race isn't until tomorrow and there's already 153 (mostly angry) comments, some of which are completely unrelated to NASCAR! 155. cjs3872 posted: 08.03.2013 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And again JG24FF, a big reason for the comparative lack of HRs in the 70s and 80s goes back to the ballparks in which they played, because many teams played in those big, circular, multi-purpose stadiums which were harder to hit HR in than the smaller parks of today. As I mentioned, the stadiums in San Diego, Anaheim, San Francisco, Oakland, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Montreal, St. Louis, Atlanta, and Shea Stadium in New York were all of this type of stadium. Also, Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles and Royals (now Kaufman) Stadium in Kansas City, while not multi-purpose stadiums, were also of the size and shape. And of course, you had the cavernous Astrodome in Houston, where the ball never carried, and also the place where the Rangers played before moving to their current home. I just listed 15 of the 26 stadiums used for baseball in the late 70s, 80s, and into the 90s. Any wonder why HRs were down during this period? In fact, the only real HR ballparks during this period were Fenway Park in Boston, Wrigley Field in Chicago (when the wind blew out), Tiger Stadium in Detroit, Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium only because of the fact that it was, at the time, the stadium with the highest elevation, the Kingdome in Seattle, and you can add Yankee Stadium because of the right field line. That was it in regards to good HR ballparks back in the late 70s, 80s, and early 90s. But when Camden Yards in Baltimore opened in 1992, a new era of smaller parks that were reminiscent of places like Crosley Field, Forbes Field, and Ebbets Field brought back the HR because they were smaller parks. Also, another reason HR in the National League went up in the 90s was the addition of a team in Colorado. Has anyone noted that all the HR records in the late 90s and early 2000s were set in the National League? Having a park in Colorado certainly didn't hurt that one bit because of the mile high elevation that power hitters could get fat off of cause of the much thinner air. American League hitters don't have that luxury but once every several years. 156. Pork Rind posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who cares if there is cheating in sports? It's mind numbing entertainment. 157. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:48 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Happy birthday to Jeff Gordon and Kurt Busch, who will each have a shot at becoming only the fourth driver ever to win a Cup race on their birthday. 158. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:31 am Rate this comment: (6) (0) "Who cares if there is cheating in sports? It's mind numbing entertainment." Not only should A-Rod never be given the chance to pay ball again, he should be facing jail time as well. He sold people a fraudulent product, in this case his athletic ability. If I sold you a product that was anything less than genuine, I'd be facing jail time and so would you if you did the same. That's why people should care. 159. JG24FanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy birthday Jeff!! he's 42 now,the reverse of his number. 160. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:45 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) You know I really like all of the Miss Sprint Cups (especially Kim Coon) and they are all actually very knowledgable about racing, contrary to what a lot of people say about them being dumb and not understanding what's going on. But why on Earth can't they wear something just a tiny bit more attractive than a damn fire suit? I'm not saying they have to be prancing around in bikinis in Victory Lane...let's keep it somewhat family friendly, but a fire suit??? Really?!?!? 161. JG24FanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But why on Earth can't they wear something just a tiny bit more attractive than a damn fire suit?" It's all about provoking the imagination;) 162. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.04.2013 - 10:30 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Notable birthdays for today: Barack Obama, Jeff Gordon, Kurt Busch, Roger Clemens and OldSchoolNascarDude1. 163. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Happy birthday, OldSchoolNASCARDude1! It seems like we have a lot of August birthdays on this forum. 164. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Today's JG's birthday, yet I know that all Hendrick-powered vehicles except the 48 will, for obvious reasons, struggle today. Somehow I get the feeling that if a race were held on Jimmie's birthday Hendrick would swim in Humpy's Shark Tank to get him the win. *sigh* 165. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "im my defense im not really all that smart." Don't be so hard on yourself, jabber. You're just as smart as any of us. "The overall atmosphere here has shifted to negative for a reason. We are not here griping just to gripe. This site has mostly true fans of motor RACING. And our mood reflects the state of NASCAR. For me personally, I love this sport and am disgusted with the way it has gone. To see blatently dirty business go down right in front of our noses between NASCAR and Rick is extremely frustrating. This season has shown just how middle of the road JJ is as a driver. He can hold a pretty wheel with a superior car, but cannot handle any challenges. And this is our 5 time champ? I want this sport to be as fun as it once was. I know it is capable. But this year has tested our patience like no other, and it is a culmination of frustration dating back to 2004. We don't just quit watching holding out hope it will be fun again. This isn't blind hate or bitching just to bitch. We have legitimate frustrations." That pretty much summed up my feelings on the situation, DSFF. "NicoRosbergFan shut the hell up and stop watching NASCAR, it's fine you don't like JJ but at lest respect all he has accomplished; he juts drives the car so don't call him a cheater - you douche" You're the one who needs to show respect. Did we not just talk about how this site is going downhill because of the increasing amount of immature insults? Apparently you didn't read that. "Leave the kid alone. He has a right to not like JJ and the whole Hendrick bunch if he doesn't want to. If he feels like venting let him. No need for name calling." Of course he has a right to vent, but again, be tasteful in doing so. "Well, Bruton is basically a senile old man. After all, he's in his early-to-mid 80s." That may have been the best cjs quote ever. The sad part is: it's not far from the truth. "Looks like A Roid is done until 2015. Good riddance asshole!" My feeling on the whole A-Rod situation is this: Anyone who is caught using steroids should face AT LEAST a 1 year ban. That ought to send a message to everybody. ">How does Barry Bonds at age 37 all of sudden become "Super Human" and hit 73?? Because he's still having to hit the ball with a wooden bat held by human hands? Yes, they help the muscles (human muscles!!) hit the ball harder. But last time I checked they don't help with hand-eye coordination." The player's hand-eye coordination remains the same, but hits that would have been long doubles without the steroids are turned into home runs. So Bonds' total of 73 home runs would likely normally have been a combination of home runs, long doubles, and triples. Steroids don't really help the batting average, but they majorly increase the amount of "power hits". 166. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You know I really like all of the Miss Sprint Cups (especially Kim Coon) and they are all actually very knowledgable about racing, contrary to what a lot of people say about them being dumb and not understanding what's going on. But why on Earth can't they wear something just a tiny bit more attractive than a damn fire suit? I'm not saying they have to be prancing around in bikinis in Victory Lane...let's keep it somewhat family friendly, but a fire suit??? Really?!?!?" The old Miss Winston's didn't really dress that provocatively either. 167. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks, The Long Shot. 168. JG24FanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy Birthday OldSchoolNascarDude1! 169. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knowing the way Gordon's season's gone, I would not be surprised if he ended up getting another DNF today. He just can't seem to put together three good finishes in a row-that just seems to be how his season's gone. 170. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jg24 fan I was doing some research and since your great with stats, how many times has Gordon led the most laps in a race.Who holds the record for leading the most laps in a race the most times in the modern era? thanks 171. JG24FanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "how many times has Gordon led the most laps in a race.Who holds the record for leading the most laps in a race the most times in the modern era?" Gordon has the record for the Modern age with 90. Drivers with 50 or more in the Modern age: Jeff Gordon 90 (Hold the all-time record of 9 seasons where he dominated the most races,2 more than King Petty,in 1995-96,98-99,2001-04,2007.) Cale Yarborough 87 Dale Earnhardt 84 Darrell Waltrip 69 Rusty Wallace 67 Bobby Allison 58 Tony Stewart 58 Jimmie Johnson 57 172. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But why on Earth can't they wear something just a tiny bit more attractive than a damn fire suit? I'm not saying they have to be prancing around in bikinis in Victory Lane...let's keep it somewhat family friendly, but a fire suit??? Really?!?!?" a Firesuit is the uniform of the sport, i'd rather see them in a firesuit than them in something like kakhis and a Polo with the Sprint Logo OR with Sprint cup logo..keep them in the firesuit I wish the firesuits looked different, maybe 3 or 4 different outfits per season 173. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) oh God, ESPN is going all "Danica is a hero, she's opening it up for other women" I cant think of any time NASCAR was closed to women, or racing was closed to women, I am like most people I don't care what gender, race, species the person is i'll root for them the same 174. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy birthday to OldSchoolNascarDude1! 175. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Some driver announcements for the Nationwide race at Mid-Ohio: Ron Fellows will be back in the JR Motorsports #5 after missing the Road America race to run the Cup race at Sonoma, and veteran Swedish V8 Thundercar Series driver Alx Danielsson will attempt to make his NASCAR debut in the #73 for Creation-Cope Racing. 176. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Honestly, I'm surprised BSPN isn't trying to re-write history by saying Danica is the first woman to EVER run a NASCAR Cup Series race. Guarantee you there would be some fans of hers that would believe it... 177. Daniel posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #115, I think that may be in part due to a new car. As the bigger teams get rid of older cars, smaller operations will buy them and make attempts. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Gerhart's and the Richardson's buy some older cars and attempt the 500 next year. 178. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 12:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) Danica's a zero: 0 top-10s in non-plate races. Sara's a one: 1 top-5 at Heidelberg, one of the most brutal dirt tracks to ever exist. 179. epzik8 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else think the national anthem guy sucked? 180. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) could the guy who gave the command to start engines have been any more excited? I mean I don't think he even tried to care 181. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks for the birthday wishes! 182. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution 1 Turn 1 Lap 1 183. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica might beat her boyfriend today. 184. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse, Montoya, and Kenseth wreck. Stenhouse to the garage. 185. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 3 races going on simultaneously, I can only watch two at the same time. :) 1st world problems... 186. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's the third, Onion? Obviously one is Sprint Cup, and I think the second one is Indy Lights, but what's the third race? 187. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) I can see the Danica lovers are in full-force based on the lack of a comeback for my Sara Christian reference. And THESE claim to be the 43 best drivers in the world?! ROTFLMAO So Hard I Am Going To Pee My Pants 188. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Long Shot, it's the World Touring Car Championship in Argentina. 189. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes Longshot, WTCC is the second, but I don't watch Indylights, BTCC is the 3rd. 190. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) even though Jimmie is going to win this race can we all watch it just to see what else happens in this race hell, we've already had 1 surprise today 191. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah, okay. I assume those series are televised in Europe only? 192. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can Hamlin not catch a break? 193. Daniel posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #190, Nah, turning to the IndyCar race at 3. 194. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin crashes yet AGAIN. Are they TRYING to get him hurt to the point where he can never race again? 195. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Hamlin catches another bad break :x 196. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny crashes again. On Brad's radio he thinks there is oil in 3. Says he about wrecked too. 197. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, this race has been interesting so far outside of the leader :) 198. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BTCC is Britain only (Luckily I have ITV4 stream), I'm not sure on WTCC, the Sonoma round is surely on NBC. Both are worth watching, great action, door banging, lots of overtakes usually. 199. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 48 stayed out lol Please stay green for a while 200. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 6 drivers stayed out: Johnson, Ky. Busch, Keselowski, Menard, Mears, and Martin. Shout-out to Michael McDowell in 9th, J.J. Yeley in 12th, Tony Raines in 16th, and Joe Nemechek in 18th. They won't stay there long, but it's good to see those small teams so high up in the field. 201. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ", lots of overtakes usually." but passing isn't racing....everyone knows that 202. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dont like Denny at all but its just painful to see a driver of his talent level run like he is 203. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And they're 43-wide going into Turn 1...love that line. I wish Kyle was in the booth now. 204. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Don't really understand why you would have pitted there. Run the race from the back. Pitting under green is better than under yellow since you can pit without losing a lap. 205. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Webmaster, sould you include the tire compound used in each race on the site per chance? Jayski posts it, but I think it would be something useful on this site :) 206. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There was a pass for the 5th place and we were watching the 10th placed guy... 207. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.04.2013 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ESPN Camerawork on first lap was comical. 208. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica made an AMAZING 4-wide pass! What incredible talent! Listen to BSPN gushing about her. 209. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally in front of a computer, here are my thoughts on the race thus far: - Epic Fail by Stenhouse and JPM on lap 1, corner 1. - Denny should just sit out the rest of the year. He's obviously uncomfortable in the car. Take the rest of the year off and come back stronger and healthier next year. - Nap Time dominance = not surprising, hopefully Kyle or somebody can find something to beat him later. - They just showed a replay of BoB making a pass. I am utterly shocked. 210. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeahs cornys, i would like to have the compounds on here for each race, but the first thing on my wish list for the site would be to get every series on here, Aussie supercars, The Mexico series, arca trucks and arca older stuff, also id ask for practice speeds on here. I hope noone takes this as complaining, i would never complain about this site its the best damn site on the web i love it here, just my opinion 211. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Keselowski has the fastest car by far looking at the speed charts. 212. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I didn't think ESPN highlighted the Danica pass more than they would have any other driver making a 4 wide pass. 213. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I didn't think ESPN highlighted the Danica pass more than they would have any other driver making a 4 wide pass." No, they didn't. I'm just shocked because that was the first time in a LONG LONG time that I've seen her make a legit pass in a stock car, let alone a four wide pass. 214. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I must admit, I am surprised BSPN hasn't been constantly replaying BoB's 4-wide pass. I know FOX would have definitely done that... 215. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is a ridiculous quote from one of the dopes on RaceBuddy: "Danica is great driver she is just the wrong place at the wrong time" Wrong place (a team that is allied with Hendrick Motorsports)? Wrong time (when Hendrick clearly is by far and wide the best team in NASCAR)? W-O-W. 216. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 48 just toying with the field. Brad gets to within half a second and suddenly Nap Time picks up half a second per lap. 217. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gilliland in the wall. 218. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a hard crash by Gilliland when he blew a right front tire. 219. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gilliland in the wall 220. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And for the record, the guy's name was Xavier Hernandez. I'm saying that because that statement is definitely going into the Preposterous Statement Tournament. 221. Mr X posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After not seeing a race since Eldora this race is alright, I definitely have high hopes for Jeff Gordon today they look pretty damn strong which bodes well for his chase hopes, hopefully Brad can beat Jimmie, that will be nice to see, and remember when I said that I thought that Brad Keselowski would have a Bobby Labonte 2001 like title defence season, a win today would duplicate that. Hard hit for David Gilliland. Damn. 222. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anybody else not like the sonic commercials? Pretzel dogs look good though, maybe i can get my cousin to get me a discount . Lol 223. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Android is trying to take the lead away. 224. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where are the birthday boys? 225. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) That shows that JJ is a wheel holder, not a wheelman. 226. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is 3rd and Busch is 13th, David. Kasey Kahne currently leads, with Keselowski, Gordon, Logano, and Newman rounding out the top 5. 227. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Doesnt sound like Brads strategy will work, he needs 3 stops and others nedd 2 as ESPN says 228. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Serious question: why is it when a race (not meaning this one) is an aeropush derby, Jeff's the only guy making any passes regardless of how good or bad his car is? 229. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Danica's in 8th? Jesus, does she set aside one particular race each month where she actually tries to race well? Shout-out to Travis Kvapil in 11th, Bobby Labonte in 12th, Dave Blaney in 13th, and David Reutimann in 14th. 230. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nap Time back to the lead. Fitting since my eyes are getting heavy. 231. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHAT?!?!?!?! Jeff is /ahead/ of Jimmie?!?!?! And Jimmie is not in the top five?!?!?! How is this possible?!?! 232. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jimmie in the wall 233. Anonymous posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) WOOO 48 in the wall 234. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) JOHNSON HITS THE WALL!! 235. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Nevermind, Jimmie in the wall with a right front down. 236. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) In the Wall....48 237. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Johnson hit the wall! Just like that, this race is much more wide open. 238. Average Joe posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) JOHNSON IN THE WALL! 239. Dense Drip posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) YES! 240. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) I am glad that Johnson wrecked without injury to his body. 241. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So sorry 48. Twas a valiant effort. 242. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) it doesn't appear to be too much damage..which means he'll be fine if he did damage it Chad would cheat the car back togther 243. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looks like the 48 may try to still finish well, but I'd say their chances of winning this race are over which is good enough for me. 244. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Long Shot, the media says she does better on return trips to tracks thats working out this time And Johnson in the wall!! Glad hes not hurt but thank god he hit the wall 245. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Seriously, guys? I thought we agreed NOT to cheer for crashes. 246. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) He's still on the lead lap, and he hardly has any damage. So they'll probably still somehow come back from it. 247. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you, NRF and DB1995. 248. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Holy crap, did BSPN actually show pit stops where the only noteworthy drivers to pit were Harvick and Danica? They actually gave small teams camera time instead of going to a commercial? And right after Jimmie loses a tire and hits the wall? Are we in the twilight zone? 249. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, apparently he did not hit the wall that hard. I apologize. 250. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Seriously, guys? I thought we agreed NOT to cheer for crashes." We were exclaiming, not necessarily cheering. 251. TS1420 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just got home in time to see Nap-Time's tire explode! Of course NASCAR has to have an extended caution period to give Chad enough time to cheat the car back up to normal.... 252. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Im biased but i didnt see a problem with Brads restart 253. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, some people were saying "WOOO"... Other than that, I can buy that explanation. 254. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Of course NASCAR has to have an extended caution period to give Chad enough time to cheat the car back up to normal...." Did you not see how much of that tire he left on the track? 255. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rick Hendrick: Hello, Brian? Listen, do you still have that "self-destruct all engine except Jimmie Johnson's" button? Well, I kind of need you to push it, oh, say, right about NOW, if you could. 256. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) 24 laying back = just fine by NASCAR 2 laying back = we will black flag you next time 257. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Brian: Not yet; me boy Chad's got one up his sleeve. 258. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) DSFF, spoiled from the Earnhardt days when NASCAR would lie, cheat, and steal to help Big E? 259. TS1420 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "24 laying back = just fine by NASCAR 2 laying back = we will black flag you next time" 24 = Hendrick car 2 = Not a Hendrick car 260. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Awesome battle with Brad and Kasey right now. 261. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Out of curiosity, where's Jeff Burton? 262. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Burton is like 16th right now. He's hovered in and around the top 15 all day. 263. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18th place. The Android goes back to the lead. 264. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Can't believe NASCAR warned Brad like that. If he had been the leader on the restart, it would have made sense but he was the second place car. 265. TS1420 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Awesome battle with Brad and Kasey right now." Funny how the quality of races jump up when Nap-Time's Unbeatable Super-Mobile is taken out of the equation. 266. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Stremme blows a right front tire and hits the wall. 267. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stremme's right front down. Caution. 268. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WTCC Race 2 starts soon and Indycar is within 20 minutes of green, so bye NASCAR. 269. Dense Drip posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stremme has had some real bad luck this year. 270. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stremme just did a pretty good Ryan Newman imitation 271. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey's car is SO much better. This race is Nap Time Jr's to lose. 272. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Of course NASCAR has to have an extended caution period to give Chad enough time to cheat the car back up to normal...." I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I don't think that's what happened here, but last year at the Kansas Chase race I definitely felt like this was the case. The only cautions that last longer in a caution filled race were multi car crashes and most multi car crashes had less caution laps. Johnson's accident at that race was a single car spin that backed into the wall. 273. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Commercial, then a lead change.. Always happens :x Yellow Flag. Look for fake yellows to disappear starting last week with the Ickyard 400. All Tv contracts are signed :). That means better racing :) Look for this to be a great race guys now that Nap Time is out of contention. :) 274. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stremme had gone to pit road just a few laps previously. Not sure whether something broke on the car or not. 275. Mr X posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least David Stremme's tire blew out in a relatively good location. Minimal impact. 276. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn Brad took 4 , we'll see if he can get back up there 277. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) did I see 5-wide? 278. Anonymous posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd say the 5 held back on that restart as much as the 2 did. 279. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola blows a tire and backs it into the wall. 280. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn it, Aric loses a left rear. 281. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yet another tire problem. What's going on today? 282. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola spins. 283. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) well, we're going to get even harder tires, tires that are about as hard as diamonds now but will they be sticky? 284. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race has been so much better than junes races its not even funny, i mean we had 2 guys lap after lap fighting hard fir the lead and racing all through the field, all because the 48 isnt stinking up the whole show now. But another Hendrick driver is the best car by far, and its another boring driver 285. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KURT!!! 286. Mr X posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon actually made some aggressive moves and picked up some spots on that restart. 287. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Wrecks 288. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Burton, Kvapil, and BoB crash. 289. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Burton, Kvapil, and BoB all in the wall hard. 290. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Stenhouse might end up finishing ahead of Danica after all! 291. TS1420 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Danica doing what she does best... 292. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Menard was in it too. 293. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn. Hate that for Burton, Kvapil, Patrick and Menard. 294. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul Menard has heavy damage as well. 295. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) who was that asking about Jeff Burton? you don't wanna know the answer 296. Dense Drip posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Danica wrecks Kvapil AGAIN. 297. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good job, BoB. 298. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ugh...everyone took a big hit 299. Baker posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I get home and turn the TV on and that very second the first two names I hear are Travis Kvapil and Danica Patrick then after another name "in the wall". All I could say was are you F'ing serious? I think those two have been in more wrecks together than even Danica and Ricky. I didn't see it but I'm sure it was one of them being petty again. 300. Anonymous posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kvapil has to despise Danica... 301. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many people here want to bet that Brian pushed that self-destruct button? 302. epzik8 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Burton has every right to be angry right now. This will drop him even further back in the points. 303. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The Baroness does it again. Give a hack a fast racecar in today's NASCAR and they will wreck a lot of good race car drivers. 304. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've always wanted to see a wreck that was filed with a high-speed camera but they showed high-speed of Jeff Burton hitting the top of his car, it looked like a cymbal on a drum set ....WORTH IT! 305. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The Kvapil-Danica wrecks would make a lot more sense if Danica was sponsored by McDonald's. 306. Mr X posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hard crash, glad everyone appears alright, did anyone else find it slightly funny when they said that Danica had had good car control all day, this I feel is only something that would be said about her. 307. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks to me like Danicas car just broke loose, and with her level of driving ability what happened next was bound to happen 308. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) She was doing a good job all day, only to throw it all away by being overaggressive. I've noticed that when she is running good, she tends to overdrive the car. She needs to stop doing that. 309. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not entirely sure, but I think Danica might prefer eating at Wendy's... 310. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Update on strategy can we count the 48 out or could he win on fuel mileage.You can count him out of winning next week as well. 311. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "She was doing a good job all day, only to throw it all away by being overaggressive. I've noticed that when she is running good, she tends to overdrive the car. She needs to stop doing that. " I noticed that the past few years in the nationwide series when she's doing well she ends up wrecking out, when she's doing horrible she's invisible 312. Baker posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) OMG Jimmie Johnson wasn't leading!!!!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with NASCAR? Danica Patrick seriously just has ZERO talent. 43 Drivers start every Sunday and she has the 43rd best talent in the field every Sunday. 313. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Got back just in time to see BofB wade it up along with Jeff Burton, Menard and Kvapil. Looks and sounds like a racing deal to me. Hate that for Burton, he can't catch a break. 314. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) The 93 clearly moved up and wasn't even pinching her. Just pathetic racing by The Baroness. 315. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly, if I were Danica, I'd go back to IndyCar. She doesn't look happy to be in NASCAR anyway and a lot of fans hate her. I'm just not sure I'd stick around. 316. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "She doesn't look happy to be in NASCAR anyway and a lot of fans hate her. I'm just not sure I'd stick around." I don't think she cares. She's just in Nascar to expand her "brand" or whatever. Wherever the most cash is is where she'll be. 317. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) a Valero commercial during a sporting event that has a very healthy relationship with Sonoco? 318. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Notice that Danica always says her car is tight.. It's not an IndyCar.. It doesn't have that much downforce.. It won't turn that well. Then, she overdrives it like it is an IndyCar rather than a Stock Car. 319. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, there goes my pick to win. 320. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Plus, another thing about Danica is that I'm pretty sure nobody likes her over in IndyCar either. So going back there probably wouldn't be any better in that respect. She'd probably run a lot better on the race track if she went back, but like I said, I honestly don't think she cares all that much about on track performance. It's all about the GoDaddy/Danica brand, and the place where that gets the most exposure is in Nascar. 321. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Notice that Danica always says her car is tight.. It's not an IndyCar.. It doesn't have that much downforce.. It won't turn that well. Then, she overdrives it like it is an IndyCar rather than a Stock Car. 322. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kahne is just running away with this. 323. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "if I were Danica, I'd go back to IndyCar" Hopefully, she won't think this, IndyCar field is currently really talented, even the ride buyers are good drivers now, Princess is not needed here. 324. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, we're more than 3/4 of the way through this race and it has hardly been the disaster for Jr. that Bro Jackson predicted for him. In his defense though, I too thought Jr. would have a pretty bad race just due to the fact he was fighting an ill handling car on Friday and then didn't get to practice on Saturday. 325. Jim Davis posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "She doesn't look happy to be in NASCAR anyway and a lot of fans hate her..." A lot of fans don't if the crowd around her souvenir trailer on race day is any indication. 326. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "A lot of fans don't if the crowd around her souvenir trailer on race day is any indication." I don't hate her. In fact, I'd like to see her do well in NASCAR. But the comments on this site and others suggest that a lot do. 327. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A lot of fans don't if the crowd around her souvenir trailer on race day is any indication." Which means that very few fans are indifferent about her. 328. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't hate Danica personally, but I do hate all the media hype and the "Respect Me Now Even Though I've Accomplished Nothing Here" attitude that she gives off quite a bit. Strategy seems to be getting interesting in this race. Kasey is taking four tires right now. 329. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Frankly, and this won't be a popular opinion here, but I find the people who constantly complain about Danica A LOT more annoying than I do Danica herself. I agree the coverage gets excessive, but just let it go people! 330. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I haven't got anything against Danica Patrick as a person; I just can't stand the attitude she gives off or the constant media hype she gets for doing absolutely nothing (she is by and FAR the most overhyped driver in NASCAR history). Personally I just can't see her being that successful in NASCAR. At best I could see her having a Paul Menard-esque career and being a consistent mid-packer. But if you want me to shut the hell about Danica, I can. I've been told I'm highly annoying in real life anyways! 331. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't hate Danica personally, but I do hate all the media hype and the "Respect Me Now Even Though I've Accomplished Nothing Here" attitude that she gives off quite a bit." My thoughts exactly. 332. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know it's during pit stops, but Dave Blaney and TBR are leading at Pocono with 26 to go 333. Dense Drip posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm happy that Dave Blaney got to lead some laps. 334. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Respect Me Now..." Danica's hardly alone in having that attitude...probably half the drivers have that kind of attitude (although unlike her, they HAVE experienced success). I REALLY dislike the "pull over for me because I am better than you" mentality a lot of drivers have. I guess that DOES make Danica a good fit for NASCAR. 335. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TBH, I don't hate her either, actually I hate only one guy in this year's cup field. What she thinks about herself is not that big of a problem in my eyes (Bodine fan here :D) but how the media praises her for everything is what annoys me. Still, if she sticks in NASCAR and gets experience, she'll be a top 20-25 contender given that she retains her great equipment. 336. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne will win this if there isn't another caution. 22 to go. 337. Flywheel posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @#317: There's also commercials for Verizon, AT&T, and other cell phone companies when Sprint is the title sponsor. What's the problem? @#329: I find people like you even more annoying. People are allowed to express their opinions. ESPN wondered why their ratings sucked--real race fans don't want to watch their constant stream of BS. 338. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Schroeder51, Danica won't have a career like Paul Menard. Menard can actually run up front on occasion, including of course, his win at Indianapolis. Danica won't have a NASCAR career like Menard. By the way, Jeff Gordon just passed Dale, Jr. for what will eventually be second place. 339. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cue Jaws theme. Kasey has got too big of a lead. I sense some debris showing up. 340. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't look now, but guess who's in second place? REFUSE TO LOSE! REFUSE TO LOSE! 341. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No way NASCAR is going to let this race go green to the checkered when the Android has a nearly 7 second lead. 342. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NEVER SAY DIE!! 343. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is David Ragan trying to make it the rest of the way? He's still in 7th 344. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well a hendrick car will win, unfortunately, at least it isnt Jimmie 345. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "@#329: I find people like you even more annoying. People are allowed to express their opinions. ESPN wondered why their ratings sucked--real race fans don't want to watch their constant stream of BS." So everyone can express their opinion except me? That's what I go out of that. 346. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ragan must've pitted, he's 25th now. 347. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""@#329: I find people like you even more annoying. People are allowed to express their opinions. ESPN wondered why their ratings sucked--real race fans don't want to watch their constant stream of BS." So everyone can express their opinion except me? That's what I go out of that. " Flywheel is just trolling. Don't pay attention to his posts. 348. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to ESPN, Johnson's on a big comeback. He's gained 0 spots in 80 laps. 349. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BSPN's sound goes out, lol 350. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How come ESPN isn't giving us lap times? I'd like to know whether Gordon is closing in on Kahne or not. 351. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DEBRIS 352. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trouble for Dee Brees' car 353. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knew it. 354. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yellow 355. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Debris" caution 356. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What? The debris is actually real? 357. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) it looks like a tire 358. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DEBRIS!!!!!????? Why NASCAR why? 359. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He's gained 0 spots in 80 laps." That's AMAZING!!! 360. Dense Drip posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They threw a caution for THAT? 361. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. Didn't see that coming. 362. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bonjour, Jacques. 363. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Today's JG's birthday, yet I know that all Hendrick-powered vehicles except the 48 will, for obvious reasons, struggle today. Somehow I get the feeling that if a race were held on Jimmie's birthday Hendrick would swim in Humpy's Shark Tank to get him the win. *sigh* " I retract this statement. 364. John Royal posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lets see this restart. Hendrick cars wont be racing each other. 365. Baker posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) You wonder why people question NASCAR and Jimmie Johnson and then this kind of thing happens. I guarantee if it were Jimmie Johnson with a 7 second lead there would have ben no caution. 366. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well there IS something on the track. I don't know whether it genuinely warranted a caution, but there IS something. 367. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least I get to drink, not forgetting my game gone bust at Indy. In the wake of the Truck race it'll be the strongest liquor I can find... 368. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "You wonder why people question NASCAR and Jimmie Johnson and then this kind of thing happens. I guarantee if it were Jimmie Johnson with a 7 second lead there would have ben no caution. " And if there were, you know Johnson would have choked on the restart and then said it was a conspiracy between NASCAR and the driver in the other lane. 369. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least there was visible debris.. unlike in the past :). 370. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again, Bobby Labonte is having a strong run in the 13th position. Also, how about the Tommy Baldwin teammates Yeley and Blaney running 21st and 23rd respectively? Nice job by these drivers to have solid runs. 371. RaceFanX posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, that's creepy ESPN replayed that lightning footage from last year. A fan died in that strike. 372. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cale Yarborough Kyle Busch Matt Kenseth Jeff Gordon? :D 373. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Piss off, Kahne, Earnhardt, Newman, and Busch! 374. Baker posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jeff Gordon hung back more than Keselowski but I'm sure that is okay by NASCAR's rule book. 375. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many laps left? 376. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon leads!!!! 377. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to the lead. 7 to go. 378. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to the lead?! Holy crap. 379. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to the lead! 380. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who did I say was The Shark? 381. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was incredible! 382. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes go Jeff go!! 383. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad up to 5th now 384. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) "Jeff Gordon Never Say Die Moments presented by NRF and DSFF" 385. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Gordon DOES win this race, I'd say he's probably safe to make the Chase. 386. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) COME ON, JEFF!!! 387. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I have never seen anybody who can sniff the front like that. 388. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It looked like Kyle Busch got in the wall off of turn three that last lap. Kenseth crashes, caution. Damn. 389. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NOOOOOO!!! 390. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Kenseth crashes. DAMMIT. 391. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dammit 392. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where's the debris/self-destructed car? 393. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth spins, there went Gordon's lead. 394. John Royal posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, a chance for Gordon to work out major meltdown. 395. Mr X posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FML 396. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Boy Matt Kenseth has no talent amirite? Because he did the exact same thing Danica did earlier 397. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, dammit, if Jeff loses, I'll just drink one more round. You guys have no idea how Pálinka is... 140 proof 398. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sounds like BSPN thinks Newman is going to win this race. 399. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman is probably gonna banzai this restart. 400. Mr X posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Please let Newman distract Kahne enough for Gordon to get away. 401. loomer posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle with another one of his signature fades, not sure why it happens to that team so often. Hopefully Big Daddy can finish this off. 402. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Don't look now, but Johnson's in 18th. A couple more cautions, and he'd be right in the mix for the win again. 403. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Gordon goes with the inside lane. 404. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Jeff Gordon Never Say Die Moments presented by NRF and DSFF" What was so offensive about this? 405. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff on the inside why? 406. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DADGUM IT!!! MRN's online stream (more like our internet) is notoriously unreliable, so I'm counting on you guys. 407. John Royal posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because meltdown. 408. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. 409. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Power move by Kahne. Good-bye. 410. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne wins. Dammit. 411. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Shit! Just... Shit! 412. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne wins it. Blech. 413. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He didn't switch lanes? 414. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Gordon's gonna go winless this year, guys... 415. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "What was so offensive about this?" I think some people find it annoying. 416. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Refuse To Win 417. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The Robots sweep Pocono. I really hate that for all of you diehard 24 fans. 418. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Restarts are his Kryptonite, along with racing in the Fall. 419. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! 420. loomer posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne was .4 faster than everybody on that last restart, not much Jeff could do 421. We need more Onion posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, one more round for Mears falling out of the top 20 and I'm gonna watch Indycars drunk. Good 422. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only bright spot is that Gordon moved up to 9th in points... But considering his recent poor runs at Watkins Glen, I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub-20th place finish for him there. 423. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Damn, not even a fan of Jeffs but i woulda rather him win just because hes a legend of the sport and Kahne is boring like Johnson 424. Sean posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That debris caution (even if it was real debris) probably wouldn't have been a caution back in the '90s so I've got to say I thought it was bogus and I'm happy Kahne still won. While I understand the Johnson hate, I'm failing to understand why Kahne has become so hated here. Wasn't he one of the racing-reference favorites along with Brad back in 2009-2010? 425. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I think it's because ever since Kahne moved to Hendrick, he's started to become Mini-Jimmie Johnson... 426. Sean posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It looks like Charlie Kimball's in position to win the IndyCar race at Mid-Ohio if you want to see something unexpected... 427. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kahne outdrove Gordon, nothing else you can say. 428. Cornys posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good race today :). Sorry to see Gordon lose though. Kahne isn't bad though.. anybody but Johnson ;). Over to Mid-Ohio :) 429. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) "While I understand the Johnson hate, I'm failing to understand why Kahne has become so hated here. Wasn't he one of the racing-reference favorites along with Brad back in 2009-2010?" He drive 4 Da Felin now. Hendricks cheets. Only give Jimmy the good stuff. Then Cane next. They rigg it with NA$CRAP. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 430. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kahne saying screw you to The King probably didn't help that reputation either. I still haven't forgiven him for that. Screw you Kahne, I hope you finish 11th in the Chase right ahead of Johnson 431. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^Obviously my last post wasn't serious. 432. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wait...we think Kahne is the mini-Jimmie since he joined Hendrick how do we feel about the last person to drive the 5 car? is the car cursed? 433. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not sure why the heck Gordon chose the Inside though, nobody did that all day and for a good reason. 434. Jim Davis posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Say what you want about Knaus and Johnson but recovering to 13th after the blown tire is championship level performance. 435. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I lost a lot of my respect for Kasey when he said that Terry Labonte deserved to be slapped in the face at Bristol for not rolling over for him (he had similar comments about Bobby Labonte at a race last year too). Classy interview by Kasey mentioning Leffler though. Okay race I guess. A lot better than the first Pocono race. 436. John Royal posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Terry Labonte drove that car, it can't be cursed. 437. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not only was my post not serious, but I too find myself annoyed by Kahne though it has nothing to do with him leaving Richard Petty Motorsports. 438. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. crashed on the first lap, and yet, he still finishes ahead of Danica. Still wouldn't be surprised if NASCAR gave Danica the rookie of the year award over him, though... 439. Baker posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I do like Kasey Kahne and don't get the Jimmie comparisons at all. 440. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Gordon still finish second? 441. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Yes. 442. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Did Gordon still finish second?" Yeah. It sucks because had he taken the outside on the restart he probably would have been able to win. 443. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't mind Kasey wining, classy of him to mention Jason Leffler in his interview. 444. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jim Davis, if im not mistaken didnt Brad Keseloski blow a tire and hit the wall harder than Johnson did at Richmond and drive his way back to 7th-10th area only to have the engine give up? 445. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't hate Kasey Kahne, but I do think his personality was a lot more interesting when he was driving the #9 for RPM. He was his own person in those days, while it seems he's just turned into another HMS corporate since he joined them. 446. Jim Davis posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jim Davis, if im not mistaken didnt Brad Keseloski blow a tire and hit the wall harder than Johnson did at Richmond and drive his way back to 7th-10th area only to have the engine give up?" What's your point? A lot of teams have great moments; this is one of the 48's. 447. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Kasey looks like a clown. 448. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Would have rather seen Gordon, but ok with Kahne. Ok with anyone besides nap-time and Kyle Shrub...though I'd still pick Kyle over JJ. At least it was an exciting ending. 449. jabber1990 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Still wouldn't be surprised if NASCAR gave Danica the rookie of the year award over him, though... its a pretty stupid system how they score the rookie of the year, they take the best average finish over the best 17 races...why cant we just do it the way we score everything else, whoever finishes higher in the points is the rookie of the year 450. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was cool to see Kurt Busch finally bring one home for a good finish. It seems like every time this year where he's been one of the fastest cars he always gets into trouble and finishes bad. 451. TS1420 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) While Kahne might be boring and vanilla, let's not compare him to Nap-Time. Nap-Time is just an arrogant, egomaniacal jerkass. "Kahne saying screw you to The King probably didn't help that reputation either. I still haven't forgiven him for that." Kahne was screwed around by that organization clear back when it was Evernham Motorsports and he continued to stick with them. Then RPM switched to Ford (the same company that sued him) to become another puppet/R&D team for Roush-Fenway, Kasey finally had enough of the mismanagement mess that was EMS/GEMS/RPM and finally decided to do what he should have done clear back in 2007 and leave. 452. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jim Davis, what you said just got me thinking about what other teams have done that recently and i thought of richmond, but i wasnt sure ,i was really asking a question. 453. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No murb. Gordon starting on the inside became a non-issue when he cleared Kahne by turn one. Kahne's car was just that much faster than Gordon's, as it always is. Had Gordon started on the outside, or gone to the outside entering turn one, he would have opened the door for Kahne to drive by him on the inside. Remember that Gordon would never have taken the risk that Kahne did to get the lead. But had he taken the outside, Kahne or even Ryan Newman would likely have passed him on the inside entering turn two, and he would have gotten a worse finish than he got. But think, if I hadn't been for the final caution, Gordon would have won against a much faster car from the same stable. As I have said, and others have said, you wonder what Jeff Gordon would do with speed comparable with Kahne and Jimmie Johnson, because he had a slower car and still was a caution flag away probably from winning the race. When Kahne passed Gordon, he immediately got 6-10 car lengths ahead, so he had a much faster car. It would be good to se what Gordon, or even Dale, Jr. could do with a car close to the same speed as Kahne and Jimmie Johnson. Even so, Gordon is now halfway through the four races that he has to get through before he gets to his better tracks in the last eight races prior to the Chase. If he has two more runs like this, he'll make the Chase, short of disasters in two of the final four races, which I do not foresee. But actually, Kasey Kahne's victory hurts anyone hoping for one of those Wild Card spots, because he's got tracks where he's weak coming up, like Watkins Glen and Richmond, but he's very close t being locked in. But even with Kahne winning, because Gordon finished second, and Ryan Newman, Tony Stewart, Brad Keselowski, and Greg Biffle all having top ten finishes, the points spread among those in the 8th-14th zone really doesn't change all that much, though positions will change. I'll post how the Chase standings would look right now with my weighted system sometime later, but there's been a significant shift in the standings. Also, this was a rough race for recent Pocono standards, as 13 cars, virtually one-third of the starting field, were involved in crashes to some degree today. 454. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looking at the points standings, I think it's safe to count anyone below Ryan Newman in points (15th) out, barring one of them winning two races or something else miraculous happening. 455. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "its a pretty stupid system how they score the rookie of the year, they take the best average finish over the best 17 races...why cant we just do it the way we score everything else, whoever finishes higher in the points is the rookie of the year" Because not all rookies run the full season. For example, 2010 Nationwide. Ricky Stenhouse Jr. was named ROTY, making 32 of 35 starts with 1 DNQ, 3 top 5's, 8 top 10's, average finish of 19.4, and a final points finish of 16th. Brian Scott made all 35 starts with 1 top 5, 2 top 10's, average finish of 21, and a final points finish of 14th. But would Scott really deserve ROTY with those numbers just because he finished higher in the points? 456. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well Jr. survived the day even though Bro Jackson predicted it was a guarantee he would be 7th or 8th in points by the end of the race. He won't (nor will he probably ever) win the Championship, but it's nice to at least keep the fantasy alive for those of us who are part of Jr. Nation. 457. Jim Davis posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jim Davis, what you said just got me thinking about what other teams have done that recently and i thought of richmond, but i wasnt sure ,i was really asking a question." You're right, I apologize. I assumed you were going for a "That's nothing compared to what the 2 team did at Richmond" type of comment. My mistake. 458. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Jabber1990, actually, if I had to choose, I would give the Rookie of the Year award to Danica right now, simply based on what they've done, or haven't done with the team they drive for. Remember that Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. has not put together a good race yet for a team usually considered one of the front-running teams, while Danica has had a few respectable races for what can be considered a semi-start-up team. To me, Martinsville still sticks out. Stenhouse looked completely lost there, while Danica actually looked like she knew what she was doing there, and Danica has had other fairly decent runs in the third SHR car. Meanwhile, has anyone had a worse year, given the team and equipment they're in, than Stenhouse. Still no top tens through 21 races in the #17 RFR car and he made a move on the first lap that has to be questioned because he could have backed out of that situation with Montoya, but he tried to stick his nose in, and paid the price for it. It still looks to me like Stenhouse lacks what I call "track sense" or racecraft, and to succeed at the highest level, you have to have that, and h still seems to lack that. Could it be possible for that #17 car not to have a single top ten finish this entire season? If you had to ask me who I would choose for Rookie of the Year, I would choose Danica over Stenhouse, because he she seems to be progressing slightly, while Stenhouse is obviously regressing more and more as the season goes on. It seems to be getting more and more obvious that Roush may have made a giant error putting Stenhouse in that car full-time this season, instead of putting him in the #21 car part-time and have him learn from the most experienced team in the sport, and have someone else in that #17 car, which I still consider a premium ride. 459. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jim Davis, thats fine, i might be in high school still but i make alot of grammar mistakes and jumble words up all the time 460. Anthony posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (8) What a sad day this is my heart feels hurtful <:( I'm cring :'( I wish Jeff Gordon won this race. I've had a tough weekend went bowling didn't wanted to. Jeff I mean. This has been a rough year I'm such a good person in all but its just more hurtful than it is. 461. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Glad to see I'm not the only one to notice Kahne's personality dropoff since 2011 when he signed with HMS. I don't dislike him, but Lord he is boring. His victory lane celebrations are even more subdued than Jimmie's. Not quite as subdued as The Rainbow Warrior's reactions to winning in the late 90's (the crew, Jeff almost always was pumped to win, if you get a chance, pay attention to his pit crew after they won the final North Wilkesboro race) but still robotic. Jeff is the one who showed emotion today. He knew they had a great race and great finish, but you could see and FEEL his dejection over losing it in the end. He gave a classy interview cause that is who he is, but you could see the disappointed competitior under there. And this race showed the odd paradox that is Jeff Gordon. I called it, in the end Kasey got too big of a lead. You can't do that without debris magically appearing. And you REALLY don't wanna do that with Jeff Gordon in 2nd. When he sniffs the lead and a shot a victory, nobody pounces like Wonderboy. And sure enough he took the lead right out of Kasey's hands. Had it gone green from there, he'd have won going away. But the second restart was one too many for him. Don't understand why restarts are so hit or miss for him. Even in his glory years, I don't remember many of his wins coming on ballsy restart moves (which I will refer to as a "Ryan Blaney" for a while here). I'm sure he had a few, but none that pop out immediately. His ballsy moves came in the middle or end of a run. I would say he is just a rhythm racer, but look at his pole total. How can somebody with so many poles have such a relative weakness on restarts. Conversely, how can the ballsiest restarter ever, Earnhardt, have been such a pitiful qualifier? Of course he is also one of the best race closers ever (until his back injury) who struggles to close seasons. Just odd. 462. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DB1995, I have that problem about mistakes in grammar too, but in my case, it's a result of my computer just not recognizing all the keystrokes, and as a result, my posts will frequently have misspelled words. I'm not sure what causes others to have mistakes in their grammar when they post their comments, but the reason for the mistakes in my posts are often the fact that my computer just doesn't always recognize all the keystrokes. By the way, I'm going to retract something I said months ago about Charlie Kimball being the worst driver ever associated with an overall win at the 24 Hours of Daytona, especially with his win at Mid-Ohio today, because as the Nationwide Series teams will discover in two weeks when they race there for the first time, that's a tough track, and Kimball aced it today. 463. Sky Warrior posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Alex Roidriguez arrogantly states today he will appeal his suspension because he is innocent, Joe Girardi just as arrogantly has announced he will be in the starting lineup tomorrow, and every MLB annalist in a similar manner of arrogance claim that he should be playing and that the Yankees need him. This is by far worse than anything Johnson or Kahne has done 464. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, Jeff got beat because Kasey's car was so much faster than his was. He actually got a very god restart on the last one, but Kasey's car was so much faster than Gordon's. You don't make the move Kasey made without having a BIG speed advantage. That's why I say that I wonder what Jeff would do if he had a car even close to the speed that Kasey and Jimmie Johnson have, but the 2-3 MPH difference in raw speed between the 5 and 24 cars was readily apparent on that final 2-lap dash because not only did Kahne pass Gordon, he put 1.4 seconds on the field in the last lap and a half, which shows just how much faster his car is than Gordon's is on the high-speed tracks. Put them on a slower speed track, and Gordon will beat Kasey, even if Kasey's slightly faster, but the difference in speed between the two cars was obvious in that last 2-lap dash, and I'm not sure Kasey wouldn't have passed Gordon anyway, even if Kenseth had not spun out. And you mention the seeming lack of wins that Jeff has because of moves on restarts. I can name one real fast, and that was the 2001 Brickyard 400, when he stole the lead from Sterling Marlin on a late-race restart and won the race. 465. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least you all try and maintain proper spelling and grammar, unlike most young people nowadays. 466. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "What a sad day this is my heart feels hurtful <:( I'm cring :'( I wish Jeff Gordon won this race. I've had a tough weekend went bowling didn't wanted to. Jeff I mean. This has been a rough year I'm such a good person in all but its just more hurtful than it is. " Please tell me you're joking that you're a good person. 467. DB1995 posted: 08.04.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Timmy Hill was Rookie of the race, Do teams get extra rookie of the race money? 468. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "DSFF, Jeff got beat because Kasey's car was so much faster than his was." cjs is right here. According to NASCAR's post-race report, Kasey Kahne ranked first in average speed on restarts* at 168.212 mph, while Jeff ranked fourth at 166.698 mph. *This was measured by the average speed of the first two laps under green following each restart. 469. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) "At least you all try and maintain proper spelling and grammar, unlike most young people nowadays." Retraction after I read Anthony's comment: ALMOST all of you try and maintain proper grammar. I'm sorry, but Anthony's comments are just awful for me to try and decipher. 470. BON GORDON posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) I'm not even gonna look at the comments but I know that everyone is talking about how Gordon isn't the driver he once was and he lost this race and should've won it. Yeah he isn't the driver he once was and.....we've known this for years. Talk about something else. He's still a great driver and I guarantee you he wanted to win that race just as bad as Kahne did. That last restart hurt Gordon a little bit. I know Gordon will make the chase on points and win at least one race before the year is over. He had speed today which I knew he would have despite not having it on tracks this size most of the year. I'm happy for the great run and finish. 5 Top Tens in 6 races and is 9th in points. Good job today Jeff. 471. BON GORDON posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's so bad about that comment?! Anyway I also wanted to say that this was one of the better Pocono races I have seen. 472. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just for fun... Points Earned with DSFF's Point System 1. Kasey Kahne - 83 2. Jeff Gordon - 67 3. Kurt Busch - 66 4. Ryan Newman - 57 5. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 47 6. Brad Keselowski - 46 7. Joey Logano - 38 8. Kyle Busch - 41 9. Tony Stewart - 28 10. Greg Biffle - 27 11. Carl Edwards - 20 12. Marcos Ambrose - 18 13. Jimmie Johnson - 21 14. Clint Bowyer - 14 15. Martin Truex, Jr. - 12 16. Jamie McMurray - 10 17. Kevin Harvick - 9 18. Mark Martin - 8 19. Bobby Labonte - 7 20. Aric Almirola - 6 21. David Ragan - 5 22. Matt Kenseth - 4 23. Dave Blaney - 3 24. Casey Mears - 2 25. J.J. Yeley - 1 Note that I ordered the drivers by finishing position. 473. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "What's so bad about that comment?!" Why is everyone so concerned about getting thumbs downed? It's really not that big of a deal. 474. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What's so bad about that comment?!" Don't worry about it. I thought it was a great comment. 475. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well continuing my rating of races (that caused so much controversy with a certain user on the Eldora page) it looked like this race was headed for a 1 early in the race, but then Johnson blew a tire and the rest of the guys could put on a decent race. I would have preferred to see Gordon win over Kahne, but it wasn't to be...overall though it was a decent Pocono race. They took a step back in June, but overall I feel like Pocono has been improving as a track lately. I give this race a 3 star rating. 476. Harvick Fan posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Even KK's burn-out was weak sauce. Don't post too much on here, but thought I'd share a short story--been enjoying this NASCAR season more than any simply because my dad's interest in the sport has taken off. In a short time, he's really got a good hold on a lot of the terminolgy, as well as becoming more and more familiar with the drivers and crew chiefs. And, no he's not a Nap-time fan, lol, but he's aligned himself with Jeff Gordon, and Bobby Labonte and I couldn't be happier. Now, if I can just get him to a race! 477. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Which David, makes it even more remarkable that Gordon stole the lead from Kasey Kahne on that next-to-last restart, and kept it until Kenseth spun out. But I like what I saw at the end of this race, because the guys at HMS let Kahne and Gordon battle it out for the win, instead of having Kahne sit behind Gordon, because it would have been much better for HMS, as a group, for Gordon to have won that race, instead of Kahne, as far as the Chase is concerned, and if Gordon misses the Chase because of not winning this race, and that's still a very definite possibility, the higher-up at HMS may second-guess their decision on that, but it also speaks for the integrity of the NASCAR team owners to let their drivers battle it out, instead of having one driver not try to pass the other, because it would have been more beneficial for HMS for Gordon to have won, since he doesn't have a win and Kahne already had one, but they let the two battle it out, and the faster and more deserving car won, but I do wonder if the higher-up at HMS won't be regretting that decision after Richmond if Gordon's outside the top ten and locked out of the Chase. 478. 18fan posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne was, I believe, 6 tenths of a second faster than Gordon on the last lap alone and built the 7 second lead by being consistently half a second per lap faster than any other car. 479. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If I had to give out the ROTY award right now, I would give Stenhouse the slight advantage. Yes, he has no top tens and Danica has put up a couple of pretty impressive runs, but at least Stenhouse has (for the most part) consistently been a top 20-25 driver for the whole year. As for Danica, aside from the good runs she's had, she's been a 26th-30th place driver all year. So I'd still give it to Stenhouse at this point, even though he has been thoroughly disappointing this year. 480. Jim Davis posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I called it, in the end Kasey got too big of a lead. You can't do that without debris magically appearing." Are you sure about that? Last week at Indianapolis, Newman had a big lead on Johnson and debris didn't magically appear. 481. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Are you sure about that? Last week at Indianapolis, Newman had a big lead on Johnson and debris didn't magically appear. " Difference in that case, Jim, was that lead was shrinking, not growing. If the lead's shrinking, NASCAR let's it play out. If the lead's growing, NASCAR interferes. 482. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Stenhouse and Danica have both performed underwhelmingly so far, but I would probably give the ROTY award to Stenhouse myself. At least I can see him improving with time, while I can't see Danica improving all that much. And hey, at least we have an actual rookie battle this year :D 483. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) After the race Travis Kvapil tweeted, "We had a great car! Solid run all day & then we got wrecked...AGAIN! #FIBS" Danica Patrick wrecked Kvapil. FIBS stands for "f**king Illinois b*****s." Danica is from Chicago. 484. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) That thing about "getting to big of a lead" has to do with any phantom debris cautions. That caution that cost Kahne his nearly 8 second lead was no phantom caution, as that offending debris at the entrance to the tunnel turn was immediately shown. There should be no controversy at all about that, especially in the light of the three blown right front tires in this race. Actually, I think Kahne may have been running to hard, especially before his last pit stop, risking a blown tire that, fortunately for him, never happened. 485. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, it's a term that originated in Wisconsin. Travis is from Janesville, Wisconsin. 486. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I was hoping my "Kasey looks like a clown" would take wings and soar... instead, it got shot down like a one-winged duck. 487. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Apparently, sprint car racer Kramer Williamson has passed away. I don't know much about him, but may he rest in peace and may the mercy of The Lord console his friends and family. Amen. + 488. 12345Dude posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I don't think my post registered last time but I think that Jimmie will now win 2 races before the chase, and 4 chase races. If he does that he will be 7 races away from beat Dale Sr. on the all time wins list. That is just crazy. Also is it just me or does everyone on this board dislike every single driver in NASCAR? Except Brad Keselowski for some people. And maybe Jeff Gordon, and Ryan Blaney. 489. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RIP Kramer Williamson. I didn't know him either, but it's just a shame that another racer has been taken away this year, and it's a horrible feeling every time you hear about something like this. 490. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh no. Prayers to Kramer Williamson's family. Zackary Shawn, I couldn't have said it better myself. 491. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also is it just me or does everyone on this board dislike every single driver in NASCAR?" Uh, what? I happen to like Jeff Burton, Jamie McMurray, Matt Kenseth, Aric Almirola, Bobby Labonte, David Ragan, David Gilliland, Dave Blaney, AJ Allmendinger, Travis Kvapil, David Reutimann, and Joe Nemechek. And that's just the Cup Series. There's plenty more that I like in the NNS and Truck Series. I'm not trying to speak for other posters, but I think it's a bit of a stretch and overreaction to say that ALL of us dislike EVERY SINGLE driver in Nascar. That's a pretty ignorant statement, lumping everyone together like that. 492. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was Kramer Williamson the driver who was undergoing surgery last night? RIP Kramer. You're in a better place now. 493. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Was Kramer Williamson the driver who was undergoing surgery last night?" I believe so. Apparently he had a pretty terrible sprint car crash at Lincoln Speedway. 494. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think what 12345Dude was trying to say was that between all of the posters here, we dislike every single driver in NASCAR. 495. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) RIP Kramer Williamson. I had never heard of you, but what I have seen you were a true dirt track legend and sprint car racing won't be the same without you. Join Rich and Jason on the Big Midget Track where the fun never ends. 496. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think what 12345Dude was trying to say was that between all of the posters here, we dislike every single driver in NASCAR." I don't know why I even acknowledged him. Especially since we just learned of the death of a racer. I apologize if that came off as tasteless. 497. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Damn, I just realized that in an 18-month span I lost my two favorite drivers in the two respective series they were my favorites in, Jason Leffler in NNS and Dan Wheldon in IndyCar. These last few years have been the most brutal since 99-01. 498. David posted: 08.04.2013 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) Josh Burton Leroy Kay David Richardson Jason Leffler Allan Simonsen Kramer Williamson --------------- May all these drivers rest in peace. 499. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 08.04.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "By the way, I'm going to retract something I said months ago about Charlie Kimball being the worst driver ever associated with an overall win at the 24 Hours of Daytona, especially with his win at Mid-Ohio today, because as the Nationwide Series teams will discover in two weeks when they race there for the first time, that's a tough track, and Kimball aced it today." To be fair, at the time that was absolutely true. He finished 19th in points in his two previous seasons and had even failed to win in two seasons in IndyLights. I said at the beginning of the year that it was time for Hildebrand and Kimball to step up their performance or they'd be out of rides, I was right on the money with Hildebrand and Kimball stepped it up and probably just bought himself at least 2 more years with Ganassi. 500. Richie61NYfan posted: 08.04.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jimmie Johnson gained 2 more points on Bowyer. Gotta really bug you Jimmie and Chad haters. Great run for all the HMS boys . 501. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.04.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Just getting home from Mid-Ohio, which was an amazing trip, but first here's my thoughts on what's been discussed in the last few hours: First off, so sad to hear of yet another fatality. I found it interesting that Williamson never revealed his actual age, but apparently he's been racing for 40+ years. You can sit there and claim dirt track sprint car racing needs to be safer, but let's face it: sprint car racing always has been and always will be dangerous. About the race, I watched the highlights on YouTube and so disappointed to see Jeff SO close to a win. Also, how in the world was Johnson able to recover from that hit to finish 13th? Any other driver would have been lucky to reach the top 20. Overall the race seemed to be a bit of a wreckfest, but very glad to see Jr. and Brad come home 5th and 6th. I wonder what Bro Jackson has to say considering he was expecting Jr. to have a lackluster and begin to fall out of chase contention. As for my trip, I must say that EVERYONE on this site should go to an IndyCar race. Just by purchasing a $60 weekend general admission ticket, I gained access to the fan village Saturday to get driver autographs, and I was able to meet Tony Kanaan and he signed my diecast and Racer magazine of him on the cover. In addition I got about 11 other driver autographs. Between yesterday and today I was able to watch about 8 different races, including the Pro Mazda Series, USF2000, Pirelli World Challenge, Indy Lights, and the IndyCars. In addition, I got a pit/paddock pass for $30 and walked literally next to the IndyCars and Indy Lights cars parked in their garage stalls as well as the drivers. Believe me when I say I love going to NASCAR races, but I'd have to pay hundreds of dollars to do that at a Cup race. I stayed near the pits after the Indy Lights and actually saw guys like Zach Veach and Carlos Muñoz leave after the race. The funny thing is that they look like they hardly reach 5-and-a-half feet tall and some of them even look younger than me, a 15 year-old. I got to get pictures with Tony Kanaan again and Josef Newgarden shortly before they got into their cars and overall enjoyed the action. And I must say, the cars look faster and sound much better than they do on TV. And some people earlier mentioned Danica Patrick and whether she would be better if she came back to IndyCar, and after this weekend, I realize that she is pretty much irrelevant to IndyCar and its fans. I think the fans like to make fun of her lack of success in NASCAR. 502. Jim Davis posted: 08.04.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Difference in that case, Jim, was that lead was shrinking, not growing. If the lead's shrinking, NASCAR let's it play out. If the lead's growing, NASCAR interferes." I'm afraid I can't see the significance of that difference. It was clear well before the end of the race that Johnson had no hope of catching Newman without a caution. The only chance for an exciting finish to the Indianapolis race was a caution but NASCAR (wisely) let it play out. 503. 12345Dude posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm sorry if I offended or angered anyone. And if it sounded like I was saying no-one liked Josh Burton, Leroy Kay, David Richadson, Jason Leffler, Allan Simson, Kramer Williamson and others that have passed away. And it isn't fair to group you guys together. But when I look at the sprint cup series, (I should of mentioned the sprint cup series) it seems like so many people here don't like a lot of the drivers. I don't mean everyone (which I should of clarified earlier - or of a majority) but in my opinion these are the things I feel like the majority of people think about these drivers. Jimmie Johnson: Cheater, nap time, so much of his success is his equipment. Carl Edwards: Fake good guy, anger problems (gateway nationwide race) Kevin Harvick: Picks fights with a lot of guys, a lot of times is talking about how is going to start physically fighting people. Generally just don't like his attitude. Dale Earnhardt Jr: Doesn't try hard. Doesn't give his full effort. Kyle Busch: Attacks people a lot, very immature. Get's in a lot of fights. Kasey Kahne: Naptime jr. Greg Biffle: Didn't try very hard at Daytona 500 race. Not that much dislike but some. Tony Stewart: Hot head, not a nice guy. Picks fights with people, anger issues. Could of done more if he kept his attitude in check. Brad Keselowski: mixed feelings, but some people here don't like him, they say he is turning more and more into a jerk/cocky person. Needs to shut up and drive. Ryan Newman: Know it all, thinks he is better than everyone else. Joey Logano: Doesn't deserve opportunities he has, rich kid "golden spoon" Paul Menard: Only in the sport because of his father's money. Juan Pablo Montoya: Attitude problems, general dislike. Denny Hamlin: A diva, who people just don't like. Crybaby, attitude problems. Fame got to his head. Danica Patrick: A lot of reasons Michael Waltrip: a lot of reasons Those are drivers I think a lot of people (not everyone) really dislike. They have won 41/57 races in 2012 & 2013. Now obviously I should of mentioned "top sprint cup stars". (other than Patrick and Waltrip) I'm not attacking you guys or anything. It's just something that I have observed. That a lot of people here really don't like a lot of the top NASCAR drivers. I do agree with some of the thoughts above, but I also disagree with some of them. Like most of what people say about him, some people in life just have boring personalities like Jimmie Johnson. I also don't feel he gets enough credit for his success. Matt Kenseth said he was the best driver ever. Sure he might of been hyping him up because Johnson has beaten him so many times. But if Kenseth wanted to hype him up I think he would have said Jimmie is the best driver currently in the Sprint Cup Series. He didn't say that. He said he was the best driver of all time. And this is only Jimmie's 11th full time year. And again I don't think he is that arrogant. If most people were saying how I wasn't as good as Gordon even though I beat him every year since my rookie year. That whenever I succeed it's because of me cheating, or my equipment. And that people mentioned non-stop how boring of a person I was. How I had no personality. Well I would be angry too. Also disagree with a lot of people's thoughts about Joey Logano, Paul Menard, Ryan Newman, Brad Keselowski, Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, and Dale Earnhardt Jr., Michael Waltrip - disagree attitude wise, not about driving success) The drivers I do agree with have won 16/51 races. So I do agree with some of the points that a majority of people make. My point is a lot of people seem to dislike the top drivers in the Sprint Cup Series on this board. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm just stating that there is a lot of dislike for them. Obviously my first post said we dislike basically all drivers other than 3 of them. Obviously that was way off. But looking at the top guys in NASCAR there a lot of dislike for most people. Just stating an observation. 'I don't know why I even acknowledged him. Especially since we just learned of the death of a racer. I apologize if that came off as tasteless.' Murb I don't understand why your so angry at me. Obviously by first post sounded 1000 times different than this post. But me saying that most people don't like any race car drivers other than 3, I don't understand why that's a statement that would make you not want to even acknowledge me. 504. Mr X posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Frankly these restart stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, Kasey Kahne restarted with the lead on 4 of the 9 restarts today, and was on the front row for a few more of them, frankly its much easier for a driver to break away, and drive at their own pace on a restart when they're not stuck in traffic, remember if all cars are equal, one car racing the track is always faster then two or more cars racing each other. Even though he didn't win(and I didn't see Indy last weekend) this is still Jeff Gordon's best performance this year, partially due to bad luck on some other occasions, but on a track of this sort, it has been a while since Jeff has looked as strong as he did today, minus the final two laps, which were embarrassing. I don't know if it would've made the difference but he certainly would've fared better on the outside IMO. The leader(Gordon) dictates the restart, 2nd place(Kahne) and everyone behind is responding to the leader. If Jeff restarts on the outside he still likely would've pulled them by a length or two, but Kahne would've been left to deal with Newman, who being third on the inside wouldn't have been as enclosed in traffic as Dale Jr was restarting in 4th on the outside, and given that Kahne didn't dictate the restart he likely wouldn't have pulled a length or two on Newman. Also whilst Jeff may have preferred the inside for much of the day Kahne definitely was strong on the outside, which Jeff gave him. All in all it was a good race, barring a disaster, I think Jeff is pretty safe to make the chase. 505. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Murb I don't understand why your so angry at me." I'm not. I was angry at myself for responding to you during what seemed to be a somber moment. I stick by everything I said in post 491, but I feel as though I should have addressed it later on, not in that moment where we were remembering Kramer Williamson. I'm not angry at you at all. Do I feel like it was a bit ignorant of you in that original post to group us all together? Yeah. But that doesn't mean I'm "angry" at you. Sorry you took that the wrong way. 506. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't know if it would've made the difference but he certainly would've fared better on the outside IMO." I'm the same way. Kasey probably still would have gotten that huge run, but judging from how all the other restarts earlier in the race went, the outside was the place to be. So I think Jeff could have put a lot more distance between himself and Kasey on the initial start had he taken the outside. 507. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) R.I.P. Kramer Williamson. So sad to hear of yet another fatality this year. Is it fair to say that, with the combination of a terrible NASCAR season, poor ratings, and the amount of fatalities overall, that 2013 might be one of the worst years for auto racing in history? 508. 12345Dude posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, Murb I don't want you to think that I was saying that no-one liked anyone that passed away in NASCAR. I said no one likes any drivers that are currently in NASCAR. (my last post said no one likes any races) That wasn't a disrespect towards Leffler or any other drivers that have passed away. Obviously everyone really liked Leffler. That's without question. I didn't mean that and I don't think my other post said that. And just because someone on here doesn't "like" somehow doesn't mean he doesn't respect him, or care for his well being. 509. 12345Dude posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @505 Murb OK I'm sorry I made that second post. I didn't see your earlier post. 510. 83andJoe posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) >Timmy Hill was Rookie of the race, Do teams get extra rookie of the race money? I'd been hoping this would happen. Hill always gets my "underdog vote". And yes, RotR has a contigency check attached, I believe. 511. 12345Dude posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also about my original post. I didn't know what happen to Krammer Williamson when I posted my #488 comment. I didn't read anything on the board since last night. 512. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know Kasey had by far the best car, but he also had the same car on the second to last restart. That is my point, Jeff is an enigma on restarts. Especially for such a great qualifier. 513. ch posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do believe that this is Timmy Hill's first Rookie of the Race win. It might be his only, but he's only three away from Danica now. 514. 83andJoe posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #33 sponsor: Circle Sport #48 sponsor: Lowe's Build and Grow/Disney's Planes 515. murb posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's all good, 12345Dude. "Is it fair to say that, with the combination of a terrible NASCAR season, poor ratings, and the amount of fatalities overall, that 2013 might be one of the worst years for auto racing in history?" That's an interesting question. I've only been following auto racing for about 15 years, so I don't know. Someone like CJS or Sean or someone who has been around racing for a lot longer would probably be best inclined to answer that. 516. ch posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Changes: 9 - Stanley Tools / DeWalt (Same for Darlington, Michigan, Sonoma, Daytona, Loudon) 10 - GoDaddy.com 14 - GoDaddy.com 15 - Toyota 18 - Peanut Butter M&M's 19 - Humphrey Smith Racing 31 - fxi / Gutter Clear 365 33 - Circle Sport 48 - Lowe's / Disney's Planes 517. ch posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Change: 40 - Joe Falk 518. Schroeder51 posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I do believe that this is Timmy Hill's first Rookie of the Race win. It might be his only, but he's only three away from Danica now." That would be funny if Timmy Hill actually managed to finish AHEAD of Danica in rookie points. 519. 83andJoe posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #9 sponsor: Stanley Tools/DeWalt (same for Darlington, Michigan, Sonoma, summer Daytona, and Loudon) #40 owner: Joe Falk 520. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoever said that his might be one of the worst years in racing history is off by a LONG way. The worst was probably 1955, the year Bill Vukovich, Sr. was killed going for three in a row at Indy and over 80 spectators were killed at the 24 Hours of LeMans. On top of that, the AAA, which sanctioned some of the top racing series in the country, pulled out of racing after those two disasters. Then comes 1964, when drivers such as Joe Weatherly, Eddie Sachs, Dave MacDonald, Fireball Roberts, and Jimmy Pardue, among others, were killed in racing crashes. 2000 was another bad year, as three drivers were killed in NASCAR's top series, one in each series, one of whom was fourth generation speedster Adam Petty, not to mention that 2000 was also the year of Geoff Bodine's Truck Series crash at Daytona. 1973 was another bad year, especially in May, a year tht was topped off by mediocre championships seasons by Benny Parsons and Roger McCluskey. As of now, 2003 doesn't even rate on the radar of bad seasons in racing in general. The racing might not be good in NASCAR, but that was predictable. I do worry about the fact that two drivers have been seriously injured, though that was much earlier in the year. Michael Annett's crash at Daytona sidelined him, but he was probably not going to have that good a season anyway. And Denny Hamlin had his serious crash at Fontana, but since he was already having a sub-par year due to the arrival of Matt Kenseth, it probably didn't affect his season as much as many say it did. (By the way, his criticism of Kyle Petty is way off-base.) 521. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That should have said that 2013 doesn't even rate on the radar of bad seasons in racing in general. The rest of that post stands. 522. Watto posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Kahne saying screw you to The King probably didn't help that reputation either. I still haven't forgiven him for that. Screw you Kahne, I hope you finish 11th in the Chase right ahead of Johnson" Yeah, Kahne being angry about his cars not having brakes randomly for 2 out of 3 races in the 9 car which led to him going to Red Bull immediately really was unforgivable. Or not. Please remind me how he disrespected Richard Petty. The only other thing I remember is that some crew guy talked crap to Kahne about how he needs to "start doing his part" after one of the no-brakes wrecks when Kahne was already ill, so Kahne got a relief driver to finish the race in the destroyed car. Not a Kahne fan, just not a hater for something that didn't even really happen. 523. Watto posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "he made a move on the first lap that has to be questioned because he could have backed out of that situation with Montoya, but he tried to stick his nose in, and paid the price for it." Actually, it was Montoya who stuck the nose in... Montoya never got past his door and threw it 3 wide on the first lap for no reason. Then, Montoya blew the corner and slid up. 100% on Montoya. 524. cjs3872 posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watto, the incident itself was Montoya's fault, but Stenhouse did try to go between cars when it wasn't necessary. The crash itself was Montoya's fault but Stenhouse isn't blameless in his own role in that incident. In fact, a replay showed that he tried to thread his way between cars. Montoya should have gone lower (he didn't even slide up, he drove off the bottom). That part is true, but Stenhouse should not have been trying to go between cars in the first turn of the first lap, either. That's the part of the incident I put on Stenhouse, but the incident itself was Montoya's fault. 525. The Long Shot posted: 08.04.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright then, cjs, has 2013 been one of the worst years in modern racing history (1975-present)? 526. RACE34 posted: 08.05.2013 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One of the best Pocono races i've seen in a long time!!!!!!!!! 527. 83andJoe posted: 08.05.2013 - 12:35 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) >One of the best Pocono races i've seen in a long time!!!!!!!!! And to think everyone was predicting it would be a horrible snoozer... 528. Mr X posted: 08.05.2013 - 12:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I must admit that on fridayI was going to call this race the "I wish I was at Dorothy Lake like I was during the Brickyard 400" 400, but the race was excellent. 529. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.05.2013 - 1:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "One of the best Pocono races i've seen in a long time!!!!!!!!!" June's race wasn't good, but I feel like Pocono has been getting better as a track. I remember enjoying both races in 2012 and I don't think the 2011 races were too shabby either. Well on to The Glen which, as I'm sure most of you remember, probably had the best race of the season last year. It's hard to believe it's already been a year since Amrbose and Keselowski were slipping and sliding around those tight turns while trading paint. 530. RACE34 posted: 08.05.2013 - 1:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think people need to stop predicting that races are always going to be snoozers because sometimes people are proven wrong!! 531. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.05.2013 - 1:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think it's already been mentioned, but ESPN's David Newton recently said Kyle Busch's biggest win of his career was his Nationwide win at Indy since he's never won the Daytona 500, Coca-Cola 600, or Brickyard 400. WHAT? They actually let this guy cover NASCAR? So the Southern 500 (although not THE Southern 500) isn't one of NASCAR's major races anymore? Because Kyle Busch won that in 2008. And the spring Talladega race used to be part of the Winston Million as well and he's won that too. I'd even say his 2 wins in the Bristol Night Race are bigger wins that his Nationwide win at Indy. Or what about his win in the July Daytona race in 2008? In fact, ANY Sprint Cup win is bigger than a Nationwide win. I'm not even sure I'd say the win at Indianapolis was his biggest Nationwide win, but that one could be debated I suppose. 532. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.05.2013 - 2:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The best Pocono races were the ones with the Grip Strip up top in turn 3. Glad somebody mentioned it, I meant to, Denny is criticizing Kyle for telling the truth in every area and saying "Kyle doesn't come to the garage to talk to the drivers". Could Denny's ego get any bigger? So Kyle isn't down there kissing ass. Kyle speaks from a fan's perspective and that is why we love him. 533. murb posted: 08.05.2013 - 2:49 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Come on Denny, everyone knows that KP is right when he says that you need to sit out the rest of the year to heal your back. But hey, if you want to go your whole career without winning a championship, then I guess that's your decision. 534. Mark N. posted: 08.05.2013 - 4:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think an interesting scenario for Joe Gibbs and Denny Hamlin would be to run him in that 4th JGR car (the #81) just to evaluate it if someone's going to be running it next year. Pick a driver for the 11 (or a combination of them like Sadler and Vickers) to finish out the year, but have Denny test that 81 for next year to make sure it's on par. Probably won't happen, but wouldn't be the worst idea ever. 535. Mannoroth posted: 08.05.2013 - 6:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's no doubt the victory at Indianapolis is the biggest win in his NWS carrer, but please distinguish Sprint Cup Series and Nationwide Series. These are two different series under NASCAR. And his biggest victories in Sprint Cup are: Two Gatorade Duels 2 (2009, 2013), Budweiser Shootout (2012), Southern 500 (2008), Coke Zero 400 (2008), Aarons 499 (2008) and for sure Shelby 427 at his home track (2009) and Irwin Tools Night Race - famous Bristol sweep (2010). 536. Anthony posted: 08.05.2013 - 7:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'm just wondering why would any driver steal wins from Jeff Gordon like what happen yesterday because to me its not to steal wins from ANYONE EVER! 537. Anthony posted: 08.05.2013 - 7:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) If I were Kasey I would've give Jeff the win forget about the dominate car just let old man win. I guess he forgot it was Jeff's birthday. What a shame I rather go solo with Jeff without the help of Hendrick Motorsports. Kasey is such a dumbass to not let winless people win it sucks! What a shame I thought I trusted him from the beginning TRADER!!!!! Jeff Gordon was gonna win this race damn it should've won. My Birthday is tomorrow I mean every time were in position to win a piece of shit gets taken away from us >:( And this happens again same with Atlanta why does everything get taken away from us like that. Are they still having Gordon haters? If so then screw them. I would've ran Kasey in the wall. 538. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.05.2013 - 7:40 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kahne won fair and square. Jeff screwed himself on that restart. All he needed to do was repeat the previous restart, and the win is his because of the clean air. If I was in Kahne's position, I don't know what I'd do. No one on that team gives Jeff the respect he deserves regardless, but I also know that all 43 of these guys (well, maybe not the S&Ps) want to win, Kahne and Gordon included. If you're Kahne, do you look at Jeff with sympathy (especially with the crap cars he's had) and say "Awwww, let's give this guy the best b-day gift ever"; do you think like Jimmie and Chad and say "Let's kill the son of a b-tch!"; or do you say what most guys would do "Earn it, bub!" 539. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.05.2013 - 7:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here in Melbourne, we have a little place called "Circles of Care." This site has some people in need of a visit. 540. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.05.2013 - 8:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also is it just me or does everyone on this board dislike every single driver in NASCAR? Except Brad Keselowski for some people. And maybe Jeff Gordon, and Ryan Blaney." 12345Dude, I can actually say I LIKE way more drivers than I dislike. 1. McMurray-One of my favorites. Wish he could win more. 2. Keselowski-Also one of my favorites. He post race interview is an example of why. "You must be happy with a 6th." "NO. I want to win." 5. Kahne-gotten kind of bored with him in recent years, but he isn't the worse. 7. Blaney-I pretty much like anyone who can be considered an underdog. 9. Ambrose-Again. One of my favorites. 10. Patrick-I actually really hope she can be successful. 11. Hamlin-same as Kahne. 13. Mears-see Blaney. 14. Stewart- I really hate him, yet he's still one of my favorites probably. It's complicated. 15. Bowyer-Easily one of the most entertaining guys off the track. 16. Biffle-not someone I actively root for, but I don't wish him bad luck either. 17. Stenhouse-I'd like to see him win, but I don't really like him for some reason. 18. Ky. Busch-Yeah. Really can't stand him. 20. Kenseth-same as Biffle. 21. Bayne-may very well be my favorite driver. It's close between him and another. 22. Logano-I consider him a slightly better version of Kahne and Hamlin. 24. Used to hate him, but now he's definitely in my top 5 favorites. 27. Menard-I actually think he's a pretty cool guy. Maybe not one of my favorites, but I'd say ahead of Logano. 29. Harvick-same as Biffle and Kenseth. 31. Burton-Probably one of my top 5 favorites and he has an underdog element to him as well. 32. T. Labonte-top 5 favorite. Wish he could win once more. 33. Dillon-Really like Dillon. I actually want him to run the 3. 34. Ragan-easily my favorite winner this year. 36. Yeley-underdog. So if he's ever in position, I'm pulling for him. 38. Gilliland-also an underdog. 39. Newman-Feel about the same as I do about him as I do Menard. 42. Montoya-I love his aggression. 43. Almirola-really waiting for him to break through in victory lane. 47. B. Labonte-Easily one of my top 5 favorite drivers again. 48. Johnson-hate him. 55. Martin-I really like Mark, but his age is definitely catching up with him. 55. Vickers-another guy I just really like. 56. Truex Jr.-and yet another driver I just really like. 78. Ku. Busch-is actually really growing on me. Definitely want to see him win a race. 83. Reutimann-Always liked him, got screwed by MWR for sure. 87. Nemecheck-again, I always pull for the underdogs. 88. Earnhardt Jr.-Probably my favorite driver, but it's close between he and Bayne. Jr. always seems genuine when he thanks the fans. 93. Kvapil-I'm actually always impressed with the way he runs in the race. 99. Edwards-feel the same way about him as I do Biffle, Kenseth, and Harvick. The bad news for me for liking all of these drivers is that I'm inevitable going to be disappointed with how the Chase turns out this year because so many guys I like are right there on the verge of making it in. 541. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.05.2013 - 8:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "My Birthday is tomorrow I mean every time were in position to win a piece of shit gets taken away from us >:(" Suck it up dude. The last two times my birthday has fallen on race day were the 2007 Atlanta Chase race and the 2012 Martinsville Chase race. Know who won both of those? Yet the world didn't end and my birthday was still enjoyable. 542. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 08.05.2013 - 8:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey Logano will probably not make the chase but I think he as earned his spot in cup this year.He has 10 top10s and may sneak a win before the year is out. 543. Anthony posted: 08.05.2013 - 8:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) I guess many teams don't want Jeff to win. They just want make our life miserable its sad really Kasey is about as dumb as Jimmy Spencer. I will forget this race for A long time. Just sadden it hurts my heart. Just as bad as I thought it would be. Would a shame I thought teammates were helpful. I guess not. I rather not have teammates. 544. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.05.2013 - 10:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) I can do this too :D 1. McMurray- I've been touting this guy for a while 2. Keselowski- Arrogant jerk, but I think it's because he won the Cup so fast. He'll grow out of that. 5. Kahne- lovable as mothballs 7. Blaney- It's sad; he could have won a boatload of races 9. Ambrose- He's over his head, but he's genuine. 10. Patrick- She could have been just like Shawna Robinson and been just any another person trying for the big time, but then she turned into a nude model. 11. Hamlin- I'm from FL; no, I'm from VA; now I'm from FL again... 13. Mears- see Blaney. 14. Stewart- Stupid @$$ but not afraid to speak out, something lacking nowadays 15. Bowyer- Middle of the road; don't like, but definitely don't hate. 16. Biffle- He's a real whiner (see IRP, 2007) 17. Stenhouse- As a Christian, I can't root for this hypocrite. 18. Ky. Busch- Ummm... yeah... just... wow. 20. Kenseth- JG fans never forget. 21. Bayne- This guy is a true "role model," and with a good ride could be something NASCAR is lacking that the other series have, a "hero." 22. Logano- When you're his age and Daddy still comes running to defend you... See it! See the silver spoon in his mouth! He's from CT, NC, and FL all at once. 24. Gordon- needless to say 27. Menard- Silver spoon, but he's kind of cool with those Nardburns. 29. Harvick- stupid @$$, but always cowardly and a liar 31. Burton- I wish he won the 2006 title 32. T. Labonte- top 5 favorite. Wish he could win once more. 33. Dillon- Silver spoon; watching him the #3 will spit on the NASCAR I grew up watching 34. Ragan- Sucks outside Dega and Richmond, but a likable kid 36. Yeley- I'd love to see him win 39. Newman- Thinks he's so smart with his C average from Purdue. 42. Montoya- I kind of feel bad for him because he's such a choke artist. 43. Almirola- He better win and make the Chase so I can jump for joy. 47. B. Labonte- Always loved this guy 48. Johnson- This is as easy as a North Korea joke. 55. Martin- Ancient 55. Vickers- Unimpressive, but great feel-good story 56. Truex Jr.- I've heard him call Dover, Loudon, and Watkins Glen his hometracks, freaking liar 78. Ku. Busch- Normally I'd be pulling for him, but I can't stand the lies behind his teams; Childress using the 78 as a satellite, and Hendrick using the 51 as a fifth car, but I want to see him make the Chase and give this team some publicity. 83. Reutimann- He was so much better than Truex, and look where Truex is now. Imagine where Reuti would be. 87. Nemecheck- Underdogs. Yay! 88. Earnhardt Jr.- Just wish the media and fake fans would leave so he could have his own name and legacy. 93. Kvapil- Should have gotten 2 or 3 wins by now; nice and likable 99. Edwards- see Harvick 545. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.05.2013 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) What's interesting to me is that 1) I'm fairly certain I named 6 drivers as my top-5 favorites and 2) I notice that at least half of those 6 (Burton, Gordon, and even Earnhardt Jr.) are drivers that were around when I first started watching NASCAR that I didn't like, but now I do. This fact always makes me wonder if 10 or 15 years from now I'll be pulling for a washed up Jimmie Johnson or Kyle Busch just because they'll have a connection to the past. 546. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.05.2013 - 11:05 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) Also, this won't be a popular statement, but I would probably say Earnhardt Sr. has more fake fans than Earnhardt Jr. does. Is it a coincidence he all of a sudden become so popular after he died? I'm not saying that people who didn't like him weren't sad when he died, I'm merely saying that I just wonder how many of those were actually up in the stands cheering for him to win each and every week. I only saw Earnhardt race for about 2 years and i was very young, but I hated him mostly due to Bristol 1999. At the same time I remember being sad when he died and I even signed a book that was given to Teresa at his memorial service. Nowadays, I try to collect as much Earnhardt stuff as I possibly can. 547. Eric posted: 08.05.2013 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Zackary Shawn, Dale Earnhardt Sr. was popular, but he wasn't as popular before his death. Dale was a you love or hate him type of a driver. I follow NASCAR much longer than you did. I started to follow NASCAR in 1993 at the 1993 Daytona 500. The late Alan Kulwicki was the driver that got me following NASCAR. Alan and I are from the same state and I can tell you that Alan was very popular figure in Wisconsin. The High School gymnasium in his hometown Alan Kulwicki Day in January 1993 was packed with 4,000 to 5,000 fans. I became a Dale Sr. fan after the 1993 Coco-Cola 600. 548. Daniel posted: 08.05.2013 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1. McMurray-one of my favorites. Has some of the worst luck. 2. Keselowski-can't stand the prick. 5. Kahne-boring. 7a. Blaney-Another one of my favorites. Would have a few wins if ever with a top organization 7b. Marks-no opinion 9. Ambrose-Probably my favorite driver in the series right now. 10.Patrick-Can't stand her. Personally think she's a terrible role-model for women. 11. Hamlin-see Keselowski 12. Hornish Jr.-came to cup way too early. Taking the right path by going back to Nationwide 13. Mears-Don't mind him much. Used to think he was the worst driver in the series, but he's been somewhat surprising since moving to Germain 14. Stewart-hypocritical blowhard 15. Bowyer-like the guy. 16. Biffle-see Bowyer 17. Stenhouse Jr.-see Keselowski 18. Busch-see Keselowski 19a. Bliss-very good driver. Gets great results for underfunded TriStar in Nationwide 19b. Leffler-not good in cup, should have had a Nationwide ride though. Tragic death 19c. Kennedy-no opinion 20. Kenseth-very likeable guy 21. Bayne-see Kenseth 22. Logano-see Keselowski 24. Gordon-like him much better than I used too. 27. Menard-for a buy-a-ride driver, he's actually pretty decent and doesn't have a big head on him. 29. Harvick-see Keselowski 30. Stremme-done a decent job for Swan Racing this year 31. Burton-like him, about time to hang it up though 32a. Hill-don't really have an opinion 32b. Labonte-Still can be fairly competitive in very underfunded equipment, see Bristol 32c. Schrader-One of my all-time favorites. 32d. Said-My favorite of the road-ringers 33a. Cassill-very underrated. 33b. Raines-Had some solid runs for Hall of Fame, shouldn't have been dumped for Yeley 33c. Fellows-Arguably the most talented of the road-ringers 34. Ragan-cool guy. May be the best pure restrictor-plate racer in the series. 36a. Yeley-like him, not very good as a cup driver though 36b. Gonzalez Jr.-no opinion 38. Gilliland-one of the most underrated drivers in the series. Great restrictor plate driver 39. Newman-like the guy. Definitely deserves a ride for next year. 42. Montoya-see Keselowski 43. Almirola-has done much better for RPM than I expected 44. Riggs-don't think he's too bad. Joined with Evernham at the wrong time 47. Labonte-really like the guy, about time to hand it up though 48. Johnson-the more I watch him, the more overrated I think he is. Can't stand the prick 51a. Allmendinger-been impressive since his suspension 51b. Smith-won for Furniture Row before the became, pretty much, a complete Childress team. That says a lot. 51c. Villeneuve-not a fan of the guy 51d. Kelly-will make debut at Watkins Glen. No opinion 52a. Keselowski-Think he might be about as good as his brother, while way more likeable. Was going to have the Keith Coleman ride his brother got until he DNQ'd for Daytona arca race. 52b. Shepherd-one of my favorites out of all series. One of the last of the true independents 52c. Harraka-Terrible 55a. Martin-ability falling off fast. Time to hang it up 55b. Waltrip-great plate racer. Terrible commentator 55c. Vickers-Really impressed me part-time in this car. Could be a chase contender next year 56. Truex Jr.-really like the guy, glad to see him get over the hump at Sonoma 78. Busch-see Keselowski 81. Sadler-needs to stay in Nationwide. Really like the guy though 83. Reutimann-really like the guy. Won for MWR before they became a real competitive team. 87a. Nemechek-Along with Brian Keselowski, the last of the true independents in Cup 87b. Drissi-Usually has fairly cool paint schemes 88. Earnhardt Jr.-Not a bad guy. Complete group of sheep as a fan base. 93. Kvapil-has had some good runs for BK Racing recently. 95. Speed-see Keselowski 98. McDowell-wouldn't mind seeing him get a full ride for Gibbs in Nationwide 99. Edwards-see Keselowski 549. Daniel posted: 08.05.2013 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, forgot one: 33d. Dillon-see Keselowski 550. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.05.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I became a Dale Sr. fan after the 1993 Coco-Cola 600. That is my favorite Dale win. Overcoming two late penalties to win going away, I mean of all the stuff he pulled on track to give him a one lap rough driving penalty when he never even touched Sacks, that is some crappy officiating. Then he proclaimed the 2nd place finisher, a 21 year old rookie who was crashing a lot at the time, was somebody that would have to be reckoned with in the future. I figured he'd hit his head too many times afterwards. 551. The Long Shot posted: 08.05.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Then he proclaimed the 2nd place finisher, a 21 year old rookie who was crashing a lot at the time, was somebody that would have to be reckoned with in the future. I figured he'd hit his head too many times afterwards." Oh gee, I wonder who that rookie was? Well, whoever he was, I'm sure cjs would have dumped him immediately if he was in charge of Hendrick Motorsports. 552. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 08.05.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. McMurray - Underrated driver with a mediocre team and one of the good guys in the sport. 2. Brad Keselowski - Self-centered prick who showed arrogance before accomplishing a thing. Giant mouth. If he shuts up for a few years, my feelings might change about him. 5. Kahne - No feelings either way. 7. Blaney - I always felt he was a great driver who deserved a better opportunity and he seems like a good guy 9. Ambrose - One of my very favorites, but he never quite got the hang of oval racing. 10. Patrick - I want to see her succeed, but she's a mediocre driver. However, she's far from the worst ever and she certainly has earned her place as a race car driver despite what Kyle Petty thinks (the money helped for sure, but she has been an accomplished racer at other levels). 11. Hamlin - Didn't like him much before (another one who talks too much) but I've started to feel bad for the guy with all his back trouble and I hope he can return to the level he was at in 2010. The attempt to take a quote of his out of context and make it look like he was saying he is the face of JGR is ridiculous as he was obviously saying he is the face of the #11 team, which is correct. 12. Hornish Jr. - Thought he was a bust for a while but he has shown a lot of promise the past couple of years, I hope he can succeed. 13. Mears - I always thought it was his name that got him rides with Ganassi, RCR, and Hendrick, and it probably was. But he's been exceptional with Germain Racing and it's good to see him get that team good results on occasion. 14. Stewart - Hated the guy 5 years ago but my feelings have changed about him. I guess it's because he started his own team or something, but I have more respect for him now. I hated seeing him win the 2002 and 2005 championships, but I was content with his 2011 one. 15. Bowyer - I used to think he was boring but now he comes across as a pretty cool guy to me. 16. Biffle - I've never liked him much, and I'm not really sure why. 17. Stenhouse Jr. - I like the guy and I hope he can succeed. I am really disappointed with his 2013. 18. Kyle Busch - I've never really disliked him as much as most, but I do find his constant meddling in lower series to be very annoying. 19. Bliss - Textbook definition of a journeyman, but he's a solid driver who could have done good things for a good team. 20. Kenseth - He's always been known as Matt the Brat to me. Nevertheless, he's very underrated as a driver. 21. Bayne - I like him and I hope Roush gives him the shot he deserves. 22. Logano - I'd like him a lot more if Daddy would stop following him around. 24. Gordon - I've never been big on Gordon but I respect him as a legend of the sport. 27. Menard - Bought his way in but he's done enough on the track to be respectable. 29. Harvick - I'm neutral towards him. I don't think he gets enough credit sometimes though. 30. Stremme - Never impressed me much at any stage in his career. 31. Burton - He's definitely one of the good guys but I wish he would retire while he is still respectable rather than hang around too long like a lot of drivers have. 32. Hill - I don't know enough about him to have an opinion, 32. Terry Labonte - I'm surprised that he still occasionally puts in good performances. I've always liked him and it's good to see him still racing on occasion. 32. Schrader - I respect his love for racing but I was never impressed with him in NASCAR. 33. Cassill - Thought he was a waste of space as a Hendrick development driver but he's crafting a nice career for himself with smaller teams. 34. Ragan - I thought he didn't earn the #6 ride but I was happy to see his Dega win. 36. Yeley - Seems he races for a different low-budget team every year. He seems like a good guy but he's not a very good NASCAR driver. 38. Gilliland - I've always liked him and wished he had a better opportunity. 39. Newman - I personally think he's overrated as a driver but I was happy to see him win at Indy. 42. Montoya - One of my favorites, he has had some terrible luck this year. I hope he can win an oval race some time. 43. Almirola - He's lasted longer in NASCAR than I expected and has shown a lot of improvement. I'd be very happy to see him win a race. 44. Riggs - One of the best valets in NASCAR. As for driving, I never thought much of him. 47. Bobby Labonte - Needs to retire, but I like him a lot more now than I did in his prime. 48. Johnson - I'm neutral towards him but I definitely respect all his accomplishments and I will not hesitate to give him the credit he deserves. The attitude some people have against him is straight up ridiculous. 51. Smith - Winning at Darlington with an underfunded team is an amazing accomplishment and I respect him a lot for that. I've come to like him a lot since that. 51. Allmendinger - Great story. He's the anti-Mayfield and it's good to see him earning the respect of the garage. 52. Brian Keselowski - It's hard for me to like him after reading some of his comments to the press. He basically thinks Penske should have hired him for the #22 and he doesn't understand why top teams aren't hiring him. First, you have no real accomplishments, and second, you aren't even remotely marketable and marketability means everything now. 55. Martin - Lost a lot of respect for him after his numerous faux retirements, though it was good to see him contend for a title in the #5 car. 55. Waltrip - Much better driver than he is given credit for and one of the best restrictor plate drivers in the series today. He's done a great job as a team owner. 55. Vickers - I've always sort of liked him ever since he took the Ricky Hendrick ride to a title. He didn't accomplish much at Hendrick but he did a good job for a terrible Red Bull team and his win with MWR was very impressive. 56. Truex Jr. - Really disliked him when he was in Busch Series but he's grown on me. Loved his Sonoma win. 78. Busch - Wish he would just shut up and drive, he has all the talent in the world. He seems to have grown up in the past year. 83. Reutimann - I don't care that one was rain-shortened, he earned the right to be called a multiple winner in Sprint Cup. Very underrated driver. 87. Nemechek - I am glad he's actually attempting to race this season. I always thought he was a very underrated driver (he won with every team he drove full time for from 1999-2005?) but I lost some respect for him when he started using Sprint Cup as a goldmine for his Nationwide operation. 88. Earnhardt Jr. - He's a good guy who's had a lot of bad luck. He's not a great driver, but he's also not as bad as some make him out to be. I wouldn't mind at all to see him win a title. 93. Kvapil - A solid driver for underfunded teams. 95. Speed - Red Bull went under right as he was becoming respectable and that completely ruined his development. I respect him as a former F1 driver sticking around and trying to make it in Cup, he could have easily backed out and run for good sports car teams or something. He's had some good runs for Leavine Family Racing. 98. McDowell - Seems to be a good guy and he's probably a good driver as well. I wouldn't mind seeing him get an opportunity. 99. Edwards - I used to like him before he decided it was OK to purposely endanger lives on the race track. 553. David posted: 08.05.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, this won't be a popular statement, but I would probably say Earnhardt Sr. has more fake fans than Earnhardt Jr. does." I don't doubt that for a second. After Senior died, lots of fans suddenly loved him, saying "aw, he's the greatest that was, is, and ever will be", when in fact, they just said that because he died in competition. Junior's fans, on the other hand, are genuine for the most part, but are an unsightly conglomeration of rabies-ridden rednecks. 554. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.05.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1-McMurray: Like him very much. A very humble, down to earth guy. I just wish he would win more. 2-Keselowski: He's been one of my favorites since '07. He is truly a talent in Cup. I just wish he wouldn't waste it running Nationwide races. 5-Kahne: I like seeing him run well. I do, though, agree that he is kind of dull. I guess I like him because he can be an old-school racer. 7-Blaney: One of my favorite underdogs. I'm still hoping he can win at Talladega one time. 9-Ambrose: Like seeing him run well. 10-Patrick: I've always felt she's overrated, even in IndyCar. 11-Hamlin: He's an egotistical maniac who seems so full of himself. For some reason he thinks he's the team leader at Gibbs. 12-Hornish: Liked him since his IndyCar days. A very nice guy. 13-Mears: Unfortunately he's had one too many opportunities in top rides (Hendrick, Ganassi, Childress) but never capitalized. But he's an underdog now, so I'd like to see him win. 14-Stewart: Let's face it, he's a hypocrite and a very reckless driver, but for some reason I always like to see him win. 15-Bowyer: I don't like him, but I don't hate him. Very old-school. 16-Biffle: Comes across as a diva sometimes. 17-Stenhouse: I still haven't forgotten him interfering in the 2008 ARCA championship. Don't really like him. 18-Busch: I've never really liked him his entire career. Seems to have anger issues. 20-Kenseth: Definitely one of my favorites. A great personality and very humble. He's the only positive thing about Gibbs' Cup team. 21-Bayne: One of my favorites. A humble person and good driver. His Iowa win earlier this year was very impressive. 22-Logano: Cocky, and not very good in Cup. It seems like every time he has a chance to make the Chase, he chokes. 24-Gordon: One of my favorites since I began following NASCAR in '04. Ironically, he won the first race I watched, the '04 Brickyard 400. He's a living legend. 27-Menard: Don't like him, but I don't hate him. 29-Harvick: Very arrogant and acts like everyone should move over for him. 31-Burton: Very old school. I'd love to see him win. 34-Ragan: My favorite underdog. A cool guy, and I was excited when he won Talladega. 38-Gilliland: Began to really like him when he called Danica out earlier this year. 39-Newman: Like him. He is a really grateful guy when he wins. 42-Montoya: Reckless and very arrogant. Don't like him. 43-Almirola: Very nice guy. 48-Johnson: I used to like him, until he began to show his arrogance to the fans. His comments after this year's all star race really were ignorant. 56-Truex Jr.: Don't like him, but I don't hate him, 78-Busch: Didn't like him before this year, but lately he's really been impressing me. 88-Earnhardt Jr.: I may sound very biased. But he's been my favorite since '04. He just seems like a very nice guy. 99-Edwards: I sort of like him, but all of the things he did to Brad a few years ago really lowered my opinion of him. 555. murb posted: 08.05.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn it guys, now I'm tempted to do this rundown of every driver in the Cup Series. I'm probably gonna talk a lot on these so I'll probably break them up into a couple different posts. I guess for now, here's car numbers 1 through 20. -#1 Jamie McMurray: One of my favorites, I've liked him since his 2002 Charlotte win in Sterling's car. -#2 Brad Keselowski: I liked him when he first started driving for Jr, hated him for a while, then started liking him again when he went on his impressive tear through Summer 2011. The perseverance he showed was just awesome to watch. I still consider myself a fan of his, but sometimes I wish he would just shut up and drive the car. -#5 Kasey Kahne: Used to be one of my favorites when he was in the 9 car, but personality wise he seems like he's regressed since he went to Hendrick. I guess now I'm just indifferent towards him. I don't hate him, but I'm not a huge fan of him anymore like I once was. -#9 Marcos Ambrose: I like his personality, but as for his racing, he hasn't shown me much (other than the road courses of course). To me he's basically just a road ringer that has a full time ride. -#10 Danica Patrick: I think my feelings on her have been expressed numerous times already. I don't hate her personally, but I hate the coverage of her and I hate the attitude that she gives off most of the time. -#11 Denny Hamlin: Sort of like Kasey Kahne. He used to be one of my favorites back in 2006 or so when he came in, but he's had several moments since then that have been facepalm quality. One of the most talented drivers out there, but he's holding himself from winning a championship. I feel bad for him this year with his injury. I'd really like to see him sit out the rest of the year to get healthy, because I'd hate to see such a talented driver's career ruined because of injury. -#13 Casey Mears: I've always liked him for the most part. Certainly not a very good driver, but at the same time he's one of those guys that can sneak in a really good run from time to time. -#14 Tony Stewart: I have an enormous amount of respect for him. He's an auto racing legend, and definitely one of the two or three guys that will be remembered from this generation. That said, he's probably the biggest hypocrite in the garage when it comes to on-track activity. Daytona 2006 and all of the blocking incidents over the last couple years tell you all you need to know. -#15 Clint Bowyer: I hated him for his first couple years in the 07 car for some reason, but over the last few years I've warmed up to him and now he's probably one of my favorite guys in Nascar personality wise. Out of everybody he seems to be the most excited about driving race cars for a living, so that's cool to see. Pretty good driver too. Consistency machine. -#16 Greg Biffle: Don't dislike him, don't really like him all that much either. I've always seen him as pretty underrated talent wise though. I always felt like he had the talent to be a Cup champion, but Roush and his constant team chemistry obliteration has held him back. -#17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr: He's damn fun to watch on the race track, but personality wise I've never been a huge fan at all. The way he treated Mike Kelley sometimes on the radio last year was bullshit, and the way he wrecked Scott Speed out of the 2008 Arca title was a prick move. He's still a rookie though so I guess I'm still kind of figuring him out. -#18 Kyle Busch: I WANT him to win multiple Cup championships. If he doesn't, then it will be a total waste. Probably one of the most naturally talented guys I've ever seen race. His personality and mental weaknesses are what hold him back. - #20 Matt Kenseth: One of my favorites of all time. Smooth on the track, freakin' hilarious off the track, doesn't let stupid things get to him like many of the other drivers do. 556. Daniel posted: 08.05.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 43 entered at Watkins Glen: -Alex Kennedy in the #19 again -Boris Said in the #32 -Ron Fellows in the #33 -Michael McDowell in the #35 -Victor Gonzalez Jr. in the #36 -A.J. Allemendinger in the #47 -Owen Kelly in the #51 -Brian Keselowski in the #52 -Brian Vickers in the #55 557. The Long Shot posted: 08.05.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meh, I suppose I'll have to give mine. I'll have to wait until later tonight, though. 558. murb posted: 08.05.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright, here's the second part of my "driver rundown" thing. I apologize for breaking them into multiple posts, but I just don't want to post a ridiculously long one only to have it not show up because it's too long. -#22 Joey Logano: I absolutely HATED him for quite a while there. I just could not stand him at all. But ever since his incidents with Denny and Tony this year, he seems like he's finally gotten the memo to just shut up and drive the race car. As a driver, he's finally coming into his own as a good Cup driver, which is good to see since for a while there he was looking like a HUGE bust. -#24 Jeff Gordon: I grew up watching the rainbow car, and then the flame car. Jeff isn't my all time favorite driver, but he's one of my childhood heroes. I guess it's sort of like how kids that grew up in the 70s or whatever looked up to Evel Knievel. I've got nothing but positive things to say about Gordon, even though his Phoenix move last year was total chicken shit, lol. -#27 Paul Menard: I've always liked him. Yeah, he's a ride buyer, but he's shown that he deserves to have a spot in the Cup Series. -#29 Kevin Harvick: I've always loved watching him race, and when I was a little kid I was a pretty big fan of his. He's pulled his head off of his shoulders numerous times and has acted like a complete asshole numerous times, but I've always tried as much as I can to support him through all of his boneheaded stuff because of the childhood connection I had to him. Glad to see that over the last couple years he's mellowed out. It will be interesting to see how his SHR career turns out. -#31 Jeff Burton: One of my all time favorite drivers in any series ever. Is he washed up? Yeah. But he's shown that he can still churn out really good runs from time to time. It's always a treat for me to see him run well. -#34 David Ragan: One of my current favorites, and one of the nicest guys in the sport it seems. His Talladega win this year is probably my favorite moment of the year so far. It's a shame that Roush just threw him into Cup in 2007, because with a couple more full years in NNS I think he could have turned out to be a pretty good Cup driver. -#38 David Gilliland: A lot like Ragan, another one of my favorite underdogs to pull for. -#39 Ryan Newman: I really admire his old school philosophy when it comes to racing, but his "I Have a Degree" attitude gets on my nerves sometimes. It's also annoying how he thinks it's legitimately possible to keep cars from flipping over (you'd think that with a engineering degree and his open wheel background that he would know about weight shifts and stuff like that). But hey, I still have a good amount of respect for him as a driver. I think he's overrated a bit, but he's still a pretty good driver and seems to be a team player. If I was a car owner I wouldn't mind him on my team at all. Should be interesting to see where he lands next year. -#42 Juan Pablo Montoya: I respect him as a talented race driver, but he's probably one of the biggest dickheads out there on the track. If someone just barely rubs him, he'll go out of his way to totally wreck that person. That's not really cool. But like I said, he's an unreal talent, and I've actually been impressed with him in stock cars. The runs he's had for Ganassi's junk Cup team have been really impressive over the years. This year he's been great too. I'd love to see him get that oval win this year, since he was so close at Richmond and Dover. -#43 Aric Almirola: Love him. Maybe my favorite active Cup driver. I don't really know how successful he'll end up being, but it's awesome to see what he's been doing in The King's 43 car (my favorite race car of all time). I think he's the best shot that the 43 car has had of getting back to victory lane in a long time. -#48 Jimmie Johnson: I respect him for being a really good driver, but I don't like his newfound pricky attitude. The way he's trashed the "haters" has been painful and outraging to watch and listen to. He acts as though we have to bow down to him just because he's a five time champion. I also don't like how he never takes the blame for anything he does wrong. -#56 Martin Truex Jr: I've always liked him personally, and I'm glad that he finally got win number two off his back this year. -#78 Kurt Busch: I really used to hate him when he was in the 97, then I liked him when he was in the 2, then I TOTALLY hated him again when he was in the 22 and at Phoenix Racing last year. But I actually gained some new respect for him after I watched that Speed documentary about him. I actually watched it a few times, and I've realized that he's a pretty misunderstood person. I've found myself rooting for him this year. Hopefully he can get back to victory lane soon. -#88 Dale Earnhardt Jr: I've always liked him, but I've always hated his fanbase. They've always been just the epitome of stereotypical Nascar fans (of course I'm talking about the loudmouth drunk ones, not the normal ones - I know we have a few of the normal ones on here). But I like Jr, and I'm glad to see that he got out of whatever mental state he was in from 2009-2011. He looks as good as ever on the race track. -#99 Carl Edwards: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Sometimes I like him, sometimes I hate him. Should have at least one Cup title by now though. I feel like he should have been the 2008 champion, but that's just me. 559. Anonymous posted: 08.05.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am going to do a run of all the cup drivers and I will split in multiple posts since I'll doing a lot of talking. #1 Jamie McMurray: I can't say nothing bad about him as a person. I expected more out of him from the cup side although he had a solid career. I thought him and Roush was a bad mix. I thought he was hurt by EGR equipment besides being a bad mix at Roush. #2 Brad Keselowski: I think he needs to turn it down outside of the race car when it comes to running his mouth. I give him credit for him being mentally tough. He has the stuff as a driver that you look for. #5 Kasey Kahne: I don't care either way as a person. I think he's underrated by some in terms of talent. He is a driver that some people thought he was mr. cookie Cutter. I see Kasey as a Bill Elliott type of a driver and Kasey is good as Bill at qualifying. Bill was great at places like Rockingham, Dover, Darlington, intermediate tracks,Pocono, and Indy. Bill's issues as a driver was at track under a mile and is something you can say about Kasey. #7 Dave Blaney: I can't say nothing bad about him as a person. It is shame that never really had a good cup ride. I know Dave was with RCR for one season, but RCR was down. #9 Marcos Ambrose: I can't say nothing bad about him outside of the race car. I think he regressed on ovals. He shown promised on ovals as a rookie in 2007. I think he's great road course driver. #10 Danica Patrick: Never really liked her outside of the car. I saw race since 2005. I think she's way too overexposed. She also is overrated as a driver also. I compare her to an anchor because she drags down organizations. She shouldn't be in cup. #11 Denny Hamlin: I thought fame got to his head. I think he's one the toughest drivers of all time dealing with pain. I think he can't handle some types of pressure in championship battles, but is a very talented driver. I think he's one his generation's best short track drivers out there. He has gotten better at intermediate tracks also. The only concern with Denny is injuries if they are going to force to change his racing style or shorten his career. #12 Sam Hornish Jr.: I remembered him as a rookie in IRL. I can't say nothing bad about his personality. I think he's a better open wheel driver than a stock car although he's going very good in Nationwide this season. #13 Casey Mears: I remembered him going back to when he was with CART. Good personality. I think his last name is why he got so many good chances in good organizations. Casey as a driver never impressed me in NASCAR. #14 Tony Stewart: I remembered him going back to the early day of the IRL. He is a legend in racing although I thought he was overrated in the IRL because of the talent pool the IRL had when he was champion compare to CART at the time. Stewart can win in any type of track and car. I love his passion with racing with him owning tracks and racing outside of NASCAR. I think he did waste his talent to a degree in cup because of his temper and personality. Tony is a first ballot NASCAR Hall of Fame driver whenever he retires. #15 Clint Bowyer: I compare him to Terry Labonte without the championships. He is a driver that usually doesn't win a lot in a season, but he's very consistent. #16 Greg Biffle: I remember from the trucks. I think he's a whiner, but is talented. I think he's very weak on short tracks as a cup driver, but is talented on track that are mile or longer. He has a very good cup career for a driver that started late in cup. I think he is going to enter his twilight of his cup career very soon with him turning 44 in December. I do wonder what could in a ride like Hendrick or JGR based on how Roush is. #17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.: I can't say too much about his personality. He's impressed me in the the Nationwide series from being a wrecker to a 2 time champion. I can't comment on him a lot as a cup except for the fact I expected a top 10 by now despite the Ford camp being down this year. #18 Kyle Busch: I think his maturity and mental toughness is his problem. He is one the best I ever seen in pure talent as a stock car driver. If he was more mature and is mentally tough, I think your talking about a 40 to 55 cup winner right now. #19 Mike Bliss: While a journeyman driver, I wished he had a better chance in cup. He's a good nationwide and truck driver. #20 Matt Kenseth: I always been a fan of him. I think Roush wasted a lot of his Matt's prime despite having 24 cup wins at Roush and a 2003 cup championship there. I am saying based on his year at JGR. I don't know how many prime years he has left, but he's been under the radar for most of his cup career by the media. 560. Eric posted: 08.05.2013 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 559 was me, I forgot type my name. 561. BON GORDON posted: 08.05.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thant Anthony dude is not serious. He sounds very sarcastic in his posts. Shut up and suck it up...you're giving us Gordon fans a bad name. 562. Newt posted: 08.05.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor correction #33: Bayo's Ice 563. The Long Shot posted: 08.05.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) All right, here we go. This is Part 1: 1-Jamie McMurray: He's a great guy off the track, but he's also someone who never really caught the right break. He'd be a championship-contending driver if given the right situation. 2-Brad Keselowski: He has a LOT of talent, but I can't stand that jackass personality of his. Brad is one of the drivers that this board is the most split on, and my alliance would have to be with the haters. He's a great talent, but he needs to shut up. 5-Kasey Kahne: I've never liked him much (he's a pretty boy, and he also has a bit of a self-entitled attitude), but I can't help but feel bad for him this season. He's had a lot of bad luck this year, coming in the form of crashes and engine failures. Take those away, and he's in the top 5 in points without question. 7-Dave Blaney: One of my favorite underdogs of all time. His career largely consisted of driving for the terrible Bill Davis Racing, and when he did get a ride with a good team (RCR in 2005), he was last priority. Nowadays, after several years of start-and-parking, he's finally back to running full races again, and has even contended for the win at places like Talladega. 9-Marcos Ambrose: I have nothing bad to say about him off the track. On the track, he's a phenom at the road courses, but pretty mediocre at everything else. An oval track victory would change my opinion of him a lot. 10-Danica Patrick: The endless media hype that she is getting is why I cannot stand her. If she wasn't getting all this unnecessary attention, I would still put her in the class of Hendrick busts (like Casey Mears), but I wouldn't hate her nearly as much. 11-Denny Hamlin: See Keselowski, Brad. Hamlin's another one of those people that just can't seem to shut their mouth. His comments about Kyle Petty from earlier are just one example. 13-Casey Mears: Mears was a huge bust at Hendrick, but he's won me over recently with his success in the Germain Racing #13, which was a start-and-park ride just a few years ago. 14-Tony Stewart: I might be alone on this, but I actually like Tony's attitude. It can spiral out of control a bit (see 2006 Bud Shootout, 2013 Auto Club 400), but his sarcastic quips make me laugh every time I hear them. His battles with the media are especially hilarious. His driving accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at, either. 15-Clint Bowyer: Clint's a good, but not great, driver. His off-track personality, though, makes him one of my favorites. 16-Greg Biffle: He bores me. He does have talent, but you almost never see him come any higher than 4th in a race. 564. startandparkfan posted: 08.05.2013 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Guess I'll do one. Not all drivers included. -#1 Jamie McMurray: One of my favorites, needs to win eventually! Gained respect after his emotional win at the Daytona 500 in 2010. -#2 Brad Keselowski: Eh. I would like him better if he got out of Nationwide. -#5 Kasey Kahne: No problem with him. Seems like a nice guy. -#7 Dave Blaney: Always a guy to look for at superspeedways. Seems like a nice guy. -#9 Marcos Ambrose: Will eventually get an oval win, also seems nice. -#10 Danica Patrick: Meh. Way too overexposed. If she is up front at a superspeedway I'll push for her, like any other underdog. (There goes my reputation). -#11 Denny Hamlin: IMO, he should get out of the car for the season, get surgery, and come back next year. I like his optimism though. -#12 Sam Hornish Jr.: Would be a major nationwide winner if not for the cup guys. -#13 Casey Mears: Respectable driver, hope he wins again someday! -#14 Tony Stewart: Very talented driver, no doubt about it, but doesn't have the best personality. He confronts Logano after blocking, but causes a huge wreck after blocking at 'Dega last year. -#15 Clint Bowyer: Turned MWR around, can't hate him for that. -#16 Greg Biffle: He's an animal guy like me, so one of my favorites. -#17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.: Can't say anything bad about him. -#18 Kyle Busch: See Brad Keselowski. Not a good temper at all. -#19 Mike Bliss: Decent in Nationwide, seems nice. -#20 Matt Kenseth: Nothing bad about him. -#21 Trevor Bayne: Nice guy! -#22 Joey Logano: See Brad Keselowski. Seems a bit immature to me. -#24 Jeff Gordon: Favorite. Improved his personality until Phoenix last year, but is improving again. Charity guy. -#27 Paul Menard: He's driving because of his $$$, but had decent runs. -#29 Kevin Harvick: Never liked him too much. -#31 Jeff Burton: Still gets decent runs, can't say anything bad about him. -#34 David Ragan: Really nice guy! Also a favorite of mine. -#36 J.J. Yeley: Always pushing for him. -#38 David Gilliland: Another underdog I like. -#39 Ryan Newman: Shows that NASCAR drivers can have a college education and still do good. Also an animal guy, so I like him for that, but he sometimes has a bad attitude. -#42 Juan Montoya: Seems like a good guy. -#43 Aric Almirola: He'll win sometime. -#47 Bobby Labonte: Still gets a few decent runs now and then. -#48 Jimmie Johnson: Talented, but predictable. Not the worst, though. -#51 A.J. Allmendinger: Looks a little like Macklemore, good personality and perseverance. -#56 Martin Truex Jr: Grew up 2 hours from where I live. Good guy. -#78 Kurt Busch: Never used to like him, but find myself cheering him on in races. -#87 Joe Nemechek: Happy that he is actually racing again. -#88 Dale Earnhardt Jr: Decent. -#98 Michael McDowell: Likable guy, shows talent at Road America. -#99 Carl Edwards: Really nice guy. 565. startandparkfan posted: 08.05.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wanna through in one more. #52 Brian Keselowski: Really, really tries to make it in, I like his optimism. 566. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.05.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I guess many teams don't want Jeff to win. They just want make our life miserable its sad really Kasey is about as dumb as Jimmy Spencer. I will forget this race for A long time. Just sadden it hurts my heart. Just as bad as I thought it would be. Would a shame I thought teammates were helpful. I guess not. I rather not have teammates." Last time I checked team orders occur only in F1, not NASCAR. 567. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.05.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Oh gee, I wonder who that rookie was? Well, whoever he was, I'm sure cjs would have dumped him immediately if he was in charge of Hendrick Motorsports." One week earlier in The Winston Open he won the pole and had led every lap when he just lost it and crashed. It was a big surprise that he finished 600 miles that day and night, let alone finish second to The Man. And yes, if he had his rookie season this year, certain people would be calling for his ride. As for the argument that BoB is more deserving of ROY than Stenhouse, although Ricky's season been amazingly indistinguished, he has had more moments that The Baroness. The fact is if driver #10 was a guy named George Patrick, we would never hear a word about him. The GoDaddy Girl had the Top 10 run at Daytona, but Ricky looked to have a second place finish at Dega before NASCAR for once decided to go the extra mile for the fans. And while I was absolutely stunned by her run at Martinsville, Ricky had a great run going at Kansas, the same track a few months earlier Five Time himself just lost it and wrecked at. 568. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.05.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll jump on the band wagon. -#1 Jamie McMurray: I was pretty much indifferent to him till he won the Daytona 500 (one of my favorite NASCAR moments), I'd so love to see him again have the success he did in 2010. -#2 Brad Keselowski: Started rooting for him when he was in Nationwide. Nice guy who handles pressure and adversity well but needs to control what comes out of his mouth(or just shut it completely and drive the car). -#5 Kasey Kahne: Pretty much indifferent to him. -#7 Dave Blaney: His runs in the #36 car(especially at Talladega) really impressed me. One of my favorite underdog drivers. -#9 Marcos Ambrose: Awesome road ringer, has been hit and miss on ovals. -#10 Danica Patrick: Liked her when she first ran the Indy 500 back in '05 and finished fourth but the media's obsession with her and her sense of entitlement have really turned me off. -#11 Denny Hamlin: Has the same issues as Brad, but also folds under pressure(see 2010 championship loss to JJ). -#12 Sam Hornish Jr.: Was dreadful in cup when he first moved over from Indycar but has since been good in Nationwide -#13 Casey Mears: Had some pretty good showings in the #41 Target car at Ganassi but seriously under preformed at Hendrick and RCR. Has been respectable in the #13. -#14 Tony Stewart: One of the most talented drivers in the garage, unfortunately he's also one of the biggest hypocrites especially when it comes to his complaints about blocking(2012 Fall Talladega anyone?). Neverless I still root for him. -#15 Clint Bowyer: Helped turn MWR around,has been constant thus far this year but also under the radar. -#16 Greg Biffle: Have no strong feelings pro or con towards him. -#17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.: His transformation for a wreck pron daredevil to a two-time champion in the Nationwide series was nothing short of impressive. His rookie year thus far has been forgettable though. -#18 Kyle Busch: One of the most naturally talented drivers in all three series, but also one of the most hot-headed. Though he's improved in the maturity department since the 2011 disaster in the truck race at Texas(which likely nearly cost him his ride)he still has some work to do in that regard. -#20 Matt Kenseth: Always been a fan of his. Moving to JGR was definitely one of the best moves of his career. 569. Eric posted: 08.05.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Here is the 2nd post on a rundown on cup driver. #21 Trever Bayne: I think he's a good person off the track. I am happy to see him full time in Nationwide. #22 Joey Logano: I got a few problems with him off the track. He his dad doing his battle for him and that is a problem at his age besides how he acted before the Hamlin incidents. His career is going to be a disappointment although he's a solid driver now because of how high the exceptions of him. I think the best seasons of Joey in haven't come yet since he was rushed to cup. #24 Jeff Gordon: I was not a fan of him in the 1990's and that is expected considering my favorites were Dale Sr, Labonte brothers, Jeff Burton, Mark Martin,Rudd, Dale Jarrett, and Rusty Wallace. I the development of his career in cup from 1993 to now. Jeff is a legend and a first ballot NASCAR Hall of fame driver. I don't expect a lot more wins out him. I think his back took something out of him, besides Dale's death although he's still a very good driver. He's in his twilight of his career. #27 Paul Menard: He doesn't bother me either way. I view him as a journeymen driver. #29 Kevin Harvick: I have been more impressed with him starting 2010. He's doesn't the laps led you expect with the amount of wins he has. Kevin to me is one the best cup drivers in Majors right now and is a driver that no body should count out. He's no Dale Sr., but he's a very good driver. He is in his prime and I think it is getting to be interesting what he does at Stewart-Haas Racing since Kevin's a better driver than Ryan Newman. #30 David Stremme: I never have been impressed by him. #31 Jeff Burton: I can't say nothing bad off the track and I call him a great leader at RCR. Dale Sr.'s death altered his career though. Jeff from 1997 to 2000 were his greatest seasons in cup. He did a good comeback at RCR, but he is in his twilight. He is still competitive time to time. I don't see Jeff Burton in Cup Racing past 2015 unless it is an underfunded team. #32 Timmy Hill: I really don't know to much about him outside of racing junk in his entire NASCAR Career. #32 Terry Labonte: I don't know why he's still cup racing less than 10 times a season. He's one my all time favorites and is a class act. I call him a legend in NASCAR despite only having 22 cup wins. Terry is a NASCAR Hall of Fame driver with 2 cup championships. I thought he was the more talented of the 2 brothers. #32 Ken Schrader: I respect him a lot with him giving back to racing. I don't know why he still races in cup partime. #33 Landon Cassill: I call him one of the victims of going to a top 3 series to soon and not having a full season in Busch. I think there is some talent in Landon that is good enough to go to a better cup team. #34 David Ragan: He's a good guy off the track. I think he's a bust that he's cup career is never going to recover since he'll be stuck on underfunding cup teams . His problem was being rushed to cup by Rough. He needed 2 more seasons in Nationwide. I call him a very good plate driver with 2 cup wins that was born 15 to 20 too early because Michigan could be a plate track in 20 years with another repaving. #35 Josh Wise: He wasn't bad at Jr. Motorsports, but not decent team wants him. #36 J.J. Yeley: Bad NASCAR driver despite being a good person. #38 David Gilliland: I liked his upset in Busch Series years ago. I don't think he ever got a good shake at a good ride after his upset. Robert Yates Racing was really on the decline when he went there. I think his career is stuck in bad rides. #39 Ryan Newman: Personality is a turn off. I call his cup career a disappointment considering how 2002 and 2003 was. He has a good cup career, but he appeared early in cup career to have a better career than he currently has. #42 Montoya: I remembered him in CART. He is a talented driver that I didn't think reached his full potential in Formula 1. As a NASCAR driver, his career is a disappointment. I call him reckless. His cup career seemed to take a nosedive after 2009 despite having somewhat of a comeback this year. He just have the instinct to win at on oval. #43 Aric Almirola: He is a solid NASCAR driver. #44 Scott Riggs: Better Busch Series/Nationwide series driver than cup driver. #47 Bobby Labonte: I always thought of him as a class act. His career really went down in a hurray and leaving JGR was the worst thing that happened to his career. He needs to retire from cup and go truck racing. #48 Jimmie Johnson: He isn't one of my favorite drivers and he changed over time. He is going to the NASCAR Hall of Fame once he retires. He isn't as good as Jeff Gordon in Jeff's prime as a cup driver. I don't think he really needs Chad to find every loophole known to mankind or cheat like a madman based on how good Jimmie is. #51 Regan Smith: I can't saying nothing bad about him. I call him a good driver. #51 A.J. Allmendinger: I thought he made a bad judgement call for the drug he took. He is a decent cup driver that was very good in CART. 570. Baker posted: 08.05.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) I love how all you seem to hate a lot of drivers because of no personality but hate everyone who has ever shown one since Dale Sr. 571. Eric posted: 08.05.2013 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is my final post on rundown on the cup drivers: #52 Brian Keselowski: I don't really can comment on him. #55 Mark Martin: I call him the Brett Favre of NASCAR. I respected him as a driver. He is a first ball NASCAR Hall of Fame driver, but he's really fading this season as a part time driver. He has 4 top top 10's, but his season went downhill after having a good Phoenix race. He's struggling on his best tracks and age is really taking a toll. He needs to retire from from cup racing after this season. If he wants to race, race in Nationwide or trucks. #55 Brian Vickers: Michael Waltrip is overrating this driver. Brian Vickers can go to the chase, but isn't really a 2nd tier driver to me. He's better at MWR than at anywhere else in his cup career, but his career is a disappointment. #56 Martin Truex Jr.: He isn't a bad person. His cup career is a disappointment considering his Busch series career despite making the chase 2 times. Truex has problems finishing races off for wins despite his road course win this year. MWR has very good equipment, but they got a 3rd tier driver in Truex. #78 Kurt Busch: He had a very bad attitude off the track before this year. He cost himself 2 good rides. Kurt is very talented and gets the most out of a car. If he had a bad attitude earlier in his career, he would be having a lot more than 24 cup wins right now. #83 David Reutimann: He got screwed by MWR. While he was 41 in 2011, MWR got worse in 2011 as whole and has better personnel now. I think actually he something left in the tank as a cup driver, but he's on a bad team. #87 Joe Nemechek: He's been on mostly bad or average cup teams in his career and his career never recovered from the Bobby Ginn mess. I thought he was a decent cup driver. I think should retire from cup now. #88 Dale Earnhardt Jr.: He actually seems to be a good guy off the track. His career to me is a disappointment. Dale from 2000 to 2004 won 15 times in cup and I thought the best was to come and that wasn't the case. I think wasted a lot of his prime and his 2004 burns didn't help or his concussions. He is a dedicated driver now, but I wish he was this sooner in his cup career. #93 Travis Kvapil: good truck series driver. Too bad never had a decent cup ride. #95 Scott Speed: His truck series career was promising, but that is the be could be as a NASCAR driver. I remembered him in Formula one and he did talk down to NASCAR as a F1 driver. He was rushed to cup, but I think he talent is of a truck series driver that was a flop in Formula one. #98 Michael McDowell: He was rushed to cup by MWR. He was good at JGR in the Nationwide series. I think he should be a full time Nationwide driver. #99 Carl Edwards: For a couple years, I thought he was crazy Carl on the track and the scary thing is the fact he was taking online College classes for majoring in interdisciplinary studies with concentrations in psychology and anthropology. I though Carl was screwed out of at least one cup championship. I think his wasting his prime at Roush. 572. DB1995 posted: 08.05.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'll do this to -#1 Mcmurray, one of my top five favorites underrated and needs a better team. -#2 Keselowski, My 2nd favorite driver, but needs "A little less converstaion" from time to time -#5 Kahne, Dont really mind Kahne, hes my favorite Hendrick motorsports driver, but like JJ he is boring -#7 Blaney, Good at superspeedways, also a great dirt tracker -#9 Ambrose, one of the nicest guys on planet earth, Hes an absolute BEAST at Watkins Glen, Also isnt bad at Dover and Bristol, PS. my pick for Watkins Glen -#10 Patrick, Oh where do i start I like her, but she should be in nationwide again this year she was just getting consistent at the end of last year -#11 Hamlin, Needs to take time off, like say only have him run a few of the remaining race, at Richmond, Martinsville, Phoenix some of his better tracks -#12 Hornish, Nice guy, good in nationwide, but i never saw why he hands down deserved the 22 this year? -#13 Mears, Does great for the equipment -#14 Stewart, No Comment -#15 Bowyer, Good driver likable guy -#16 Biffle, Good driver, always thought he started his career to late -#17 Stenhouse, He has loads of talent, but his struggle this season baffles me -#18 Busch, No comment -#19 Bliss, Does great for Tri-Star in NW, if the cup team ever ran more than 10 laps with him it would be nice -#20 Kenseth, Getting away from Roush was the carreer move of the decade -#21 Bayne, My #1 favorite driver, nice guy, good christian, needs a good cup ride -#22 Logano, Never really hated him, but i like him alot more now than before, i guess because hes out of Toyota -#24 Gordon, was raised to hate him and everything Hendrick, I still dont pull for him but i understand hes a legend and the best driver in the field every Sunday -#27 Menard , Neutral about paul -#29 Harvick, Does something to make me a fan, then the very next week jerks the fan right outta me -#30 Stremme, dont know much about him, but did worse in the #12 than Brad did Ouch!, but i like that his team is trying to be competitive -#31 Burton, Classy guy, great driver who should be nearing retirement -#32 Hill, One of my favorites has done really good considering he has never even driven a top of the line Cup car NW car, or even a Bandolero in his racing career -#33 Cassill, In my opinion whatever underfunded team gets him to drive for them is lucky -#34 Ragan, up there on my list, his win at Dega left me speechless! -#35 Wise, not much to say but seems likable -#36 Yeley, Likable guy!, just not very good in stock cars -#38 Gilliland, Good plate racer, and good at Sonoma, -#39 Newman, Good driver, Dad calls him "Ol' no neck" -#42 Montoya, Jet dryer explosion is all i have to say -#43 Almirola, Drives the 43 gotta cheer for him -#47 Labonte, Great guy Great driver ,But needs to hang it up for cup -#48 Johnson, No Comment other than that he single handedly drove many of my friends out of being racing fans -#51 Dillon, Will probably like him in the future, as as his #3 car isnt black #52 Team, I pull for the team to make races and to not start and park, they didnt at sonoma, but it was Go green car not Brian keselowski -#55 Martin, Legend who is unfortunately falling off very quickly after years of seeming like he would never get old -#56 Truex, Likable guy, who should have more wins than 2 spaced 6 years apart -#78 Busch, No Comment -#83 Reutimann, Impressed me with a Chicagoland win, when MWR was crap -#87 Nemechek, I pull for every underdog -#88 Jr, No comment -#93 Kvapil, Good driver, wish RYR would had stayed together with him in the #28 -#95 Speed, Good driver who was rushed to cup to quick, but likely want gonna do any good anyway -#98 Mcdowell, kinda wish he could get a full time natiowide gig with Gibbs -#99 Edwards, to me seems like a nice guy, except the Edroids moments No comment means i despise the driver, or dont want to make anyone mad with my opinion 573. DB1995 posted: 08.05.2013 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Note to Webmaster, it says Cheez-it 350 at the glen instead of 355. 574. BON GORDON posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh jeez Tony Stewart is in another dirt track wreck. He had to leave an Iowa track in an ambulance. Apparently he's okay but this raises the question...how many more times does this guy have to race and wreck in these local short track races until Joe Gibbs and/or his sponsors say, "that's enough." I understand guys like Stewart and Ken Schrader love to race all the time but come on. On the other hand he's got a sponsor and team to race for. It's a business and that should be his number one priority. relax and take some time off. He's got a chase to make too. Most importantly I don't wanna see Tony get seriously hurt or killed or any driver for that matter. 575. 18fan posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The chatter in the garage from the sprint car race seems to indicate that Tony might have injured his leg. 576. murb posted: 08.06.2013 - 2:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. I'm glad he's okay (other than his leg), but maybe he should reassess his sprint car career since this is about his third wreck in as many weeks (or at least it seems that way). 577. DB1995 posted: 08.06.2013 - 2:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad Tonys ok! Dont like him but the racing world couldnt handle another big loss 578. DB1995 posted: 08.06.2013 - 3:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Broken right fibula and tibia for smoke he will miss Watkins Glen, wonder what Ron Fellows is doin Sunday? 579. DB1995 posted: 08.06.2013 - 3:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wont be fellows, my bad 580. New14 & 88Fan posted: 08.06.2013 - 3:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man that's terrible to hear about Tony, beyond relieved that besides the leg he's okay but this will not bode well for his season since he'll definitely be sitting out some races. 581. Paul posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:11 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I hate that Stewart got hurt as badly as he did, especially in a non-NASCAR sanctioned race that meant nothing for his Chase implications. Missing a couple races might just knock him outside the top 20 in points, thus negating his win at Dover and taking him out of contention for a wildcard spot. Some people will probably say Stewart shouldn't have been running all these races during the week with a Chase berth on the line, but he's a race car driver, and that's what they do: They race. He knew, just like all the other drivers, that there was the chance for an injury to come out of this race in Iowa, and unfortunately it was "third time's the charm" for Smoke in his recent string of dirt car crashes. Stewart's 521-race consecutive starts streak was the 3rd highest active streak and was the 10th highest in Cup history. It looks like yet another impressive starts streak will end this season. And speaking of which, I have this sneaking suspicion that Stewart will put Bobby Labonte in his Cup car at Watkins Glen. His former JGR teammate of seven seasons isn't currently entered in the race this weekend, so perhaps Stewart will put the veteran and 2-time NASCAR champion driver in his car for the time being. It's just a hunch and I'll be the first to admit favoritism towards Labonte from making that prediction, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the decision that Stewart makes. 582. murb posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, what a bombshell. You hate to see any driver miss time like this. I wish Tony a very speedy recovery, and I'm thankful that this didn't turn out worse. One thing that I think is for certain now is that this opens up a Chase spot. The thing I read sounds like it is a pretty badly broken leg, so he might have to miss more than one race. As for who will climb in the 14, I have NO IDEA. If I had to guess, they'll probably go with a road course ringer for Watkins Glen this weekend (I know Fellows is already scheduled for the 33 car, but I could see them working out some sort of deal to get him to run the 14). I have no idea about the other races though. Maybe Kyle Larson? 583. murb posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And speaking of which, I have this sneaking suspicion that Stewart will put Bobby Labonte in his Cup car at Watkins Glen." Didn't really think of that option. I would seriously mark out if Bobby got to run the 14 for a couple races. 584. joey2448 posted: 08.06.2013 - 6:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow shocking news! And no I'm not being sarcastic.... Really hate that for Tony. I've warmed up quite a bit to him this year for some reason. I think it began in Fontana when he tried putting Logano in his place ( even though he came off looking like a hypocrite). But yeah, I agree that Bobby Labonte would be the sentimental favorite to put in the 14 car. I would really like to see what the man can still do in a competitive ride. But I have a feeling it'll be someone else. This incident reminds me a bit of 2006 when Tony was running all those Busch races and had quite a few wrecks, including one at Charlotte in May of that year that injured a rib ( I believe). It arguably led to him ultimately missing the Chase that season. The man has got to be more careful in the future. I'll be really interested to hear what he has to say about this... 585. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.06.2013 - 6:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just when it looked like #10-Danica Patrick had figured out NASCAR's big superspeedways, she was involved in another wreck at Pocono Raceway. Patrick was running 18th and racing #93-Travis Kvapil when she appeared to get loose and drift into Kvapil's car on Lap 110. Patrick said she simply got loose and lost control of her car. This wasn't the first time Patrick and Kvapil have gotten together on the track as she took the blame for a wreck at New Hampshire last month. Patrick grimaced and nodded her head in agreement when asked if she and Kvapil seemed to be having a lot of contact on the track. Kvapil was obviously frustrated. "I'm done just getting run over and wrecked and racing her clean," Kvapil said. "I don't know. It's pretty frustrating. She's one of the best cars out there. We're a middle-of-the-pack car running in the top 20 and get wrecked again. It is just really frustrating. & When you're in vulnerable situations, you have to guard yourself and take care of your stuff. She is a rookie and you've got to learn that, but that's a couple of weeks in a row for me." Kvapil said he felt he deserved an apology after New Hampshire and never got one. He expects one after Pocono." Travis is mad, and when Travis is mad, watch out! Man, this sucks for Tony. My little brother is now moping because of this. He's only 6 years old, but he loved watching Tony on TV from the Home Depot days. It'll be interesting to see who gets the #14, if anybody. Scott Riggs has always been a personal friend of Tony's, but Hendrick said no when Tony wanted Riggs to drive the #10 as Danica's car and not the Tommy Baldwin car, which led to Reutimann driving that car. If Tony's done for the year... maybe Harvick moves over and Austin moves up to do double-duty the rest of the year? Sc 586. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 08.06.2013 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Regan Smith will be in the #14 for as long as Stewart is out. Both and Hendrick drivers and I don't see the sponsors wanting someone in the car who has no chance of winning (like Bobby Labonte). 587. RaceFanX posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I could see Tony still trying to at least start the race to get the points, DW and Big E both did that following savage wrecks of his own. It's twistedly ironic this happens right after his flip last week the media made a big deal of and Tony shrugged it off. Ouch. 588. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) "Oh jeez Tony Stewart is in another dirt track wreck. He had to leave an Iowa track in an ambulance. Apparently he's okay but this raises the question...how many more times does this guy have to race and wreck in these local short track races until *Joe Gibbs* and/or his sponsors say, "that's enough." I understand guys like Stewart and Ken Schrader love to race all the time but come on. On the other hand he's got a sponsor and team to race for. It's a business and that should be his number one priority. relax and take some time off. He's got a chase to make too. Most importantly I don't wanna see Tony get seriously hurt or killed or any driver for that matter." Where have you been the last five years? Tony drives for himself. 589. David posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just woke up to the news. W-O-W. One of my first thoughts is: I wonder how Baker, the site's biggest Tony Stewart fan and the biggest dirt racing fan, is taking this. 590. Baker posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:17 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) "I wonder how Baker, the site's biggest Tony Stewart fan and the biggest dirt racing fan, is taking this." Still doesn't change my opinion that racers should be allowed to race unlike cjs who thinks they should focus on one thing only. Also if he is out then it just gives me more free time to spend remodeling the house or spending time with my daughter. It sucks that it happened the week before his best chance at winning this year, but at least its not like he was a serious threat to win the title this year. I guess I just get to turn my racing focus to the Knoxville Nationals this week and watching Donny Schatz continue to run down Daryn Pittman for an impressive 6th Championship in 8 seasons. And then Saturday night I get to take my daughter to her first racing event. We are going to Night Under Fire an All Star event of sorts at Summit Motorsports Park. 591. Daniel posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't mind seeing Stewart put Terry Labonte in the #14 this week. He had a good run at Sonoma a few years ago with Hall of Fame, he might be able to get a good run filling in. 592. Scott B posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry to hear about Smoke. Seeing a driver right on the cusp for a Chase spot sidelined by an injury from a non-Cup race may make a few others re-think their extracurricular activities. Aside from the replacement candidates already mentioned, the #98 isn't entered at the Glen, so McDowell might be available as a one-time fill in. 593. The Long Shot posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoah. This is shocking news. I wish Tony a speedy recovery from his injuries. 594. The Long Shot posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Aside from the replacement candidates already mentioned, the #98 isn't entered at the Glen, so McDowell might be available as a one-time fill in." McDowell's already entered in the #35 for Front Row Motorsports this week. 595. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) To me, they should keep running dirt series. Unlike the NNS, the USAC Triple Crown Series and WoO all consider themselves to be the top-level professional auto racing series of different disciplines, specifically midget car, silver crown cars, sprint cars, and winged sprint cars. The NNS is now the Triple-A, but was originally conceived to be the professional short track series with occasional speedways to balance the Cup series professional speedway racing with occasional short tracks. To me, Stewart running these is just as legitimate as A.J. running IndyCar, and we didn't hear cjs saying A.J. should stop running those to commit to NASCAR. It's just as legitimate ALMS, Grand-Am, WRC, etc. Tony, you took a stand. I feel sorry for you, and I hope you get better soon. Honestly, I wish Tony would announce his retirement from Cup racing to run these things more. Solidify the legend just like Parnelli Jones did when he ran Trans-Am. 596. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Haven't checked the racing news all day so this comes as a big shock to hear. Now with Stewart missing this weekend and possibly a few other races, this will effectively end his chase hopes, but the irony is that with him holding the first wild card berth, the new wild card driver will be his lame-duck teammate, Ryan Newman, unless a driver like Brad Keselowski or Kurt Busch can win. 597. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't believe people are actually criticizing Tony Stewart so much. For a group that complains about drivers being handicapped by owners/sponsors, some sure don't mind handicapping drivers when it comes to extra-curricular racing events. Tony Stewart answers to Tony Stewart. As long as his sponsors are on-board, everyone else should support his dirt track racing. 598. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As for potential replacement drivers, I think Austin Dillon will make the short list. He already has a relationship with Johnny Morris and is a Chevy driver. I'm not sure if he will get the nod for these next two weeks, but if Tony misses an extended amount, Austin may make the most sense. 599. Scott B posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Long Shot, you're correct, I forgot McDowell was already in the #35. With Vickers in the #55, Mark Martin would be free to sub this week if they could work out the contract and sponsor issues. That would be a tough task on such short notice, but he's got 3 Cup wins at the Glen and one at Sonoma on his resume. 600. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, Todd Bodine just absolutely destroyed NASCAR and Chocolate Myers for the debris caution on Saturday. I'm not a big Onion fan, but it was good to hear him take a stand. 601. We need more Onion posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm a bit late, but I like sharing my opinion and you guys wrote up some interesting stuff. PI #1 - Jamie McMurray: Gotta' admit, after 2003 I thought he'll be the next big thing, been mediocre for a few years when I would of lost track of him if there weren't his amazing shows of car control. However I don't feel like there is anything big left in his bag. #2 - Brad Keselowski: Would be cheering for him as I like the way he drives, if a) He stopped N'Wide and Trucks b) Helped his brother a bit more #5 - Kasey Kahne: I don't really feel him being a mini-Jimmie, he just has no characteristics standing out, besides the "pretty boy" image. Rather like him than dislike. #7 - Dave Blaney: The 1st thing coming into my mind is his #93 losing a wheel after being a serious contender for a win. Would love to see him get a little luck. #9 - Marcos Ambrose: Probably one of the nicest guys off track, really appreciates what he has and enjoys being a NASCAR driver. Will get into the hang of things sooner than later. #10 - Danica Patrick: Not hated her in the Indycars, didn't like, but no hate towards her. I admire that she says what she thinks, but not that everyone should get out of her way. Also she kind of believes her hype, no good. #11 - Denny Hamlin: A true Primadonna, but he still has the talent to be a champion, I'd like to see it... but not anything after he wins a cup, probably it'd cause his ego to grew unstable and collapse into itself causing a black hole. #12 - Sam Hornish: Loved him in Indycars, loved his paint schemes in NASCAR, not much else. #13 - Casey Mears: Drives for my favorite team, so I cheer for him week in-week out, before Germain I mostly had neutral thoughts about him. #14 - Tony Stewart: Either an idiot or amazing, never boring. I like that, sometimes he wrecks my favorites, then I'll just think that he'll be on the other side next week. #15 - Clint Bowyer: Probably he'll be around until he is 55. Don't really know much about him. #16 - Greg Biffle: Does nothing for weeks, races dull, wins a race and then grows a face as big as Newman is. I don't really like him. #17 - Ricky Stenhouse: Consistent guy, I'm surprised by that. He seems to have no taste in women. I really liked his Ricky vs Trevor stuff. Can't tell too much otherwise, he has not been on my radar for too long. #18 - Kyle Busch: Half of me hates him for what he is doing with lower league guys and teams. Half of me likes him for being probably one of the finest stock car drivers of his generation. #19 - Mike Bliss: When he had the pace, he was wreckless. Now that he is calm and consistent, probably wouldn't speed up too much in good cars. Heard several times that he is a douche out of the car. #20 - Matt Kenseth: Sometimes a bit dull on the track, but a good guy and a Terry Labonte-type driver. I'd like him to be the champion this year. 602. JRacingFast posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What about jan magnussen? He tested the #51 car at the glen a few weeks ago. I think he could have a solid run in Stewarts 14 car at the glen. 603. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sprint cars may be fun to watch, but damn they're dangerous! Much more so than Sprint Cup cars at least that what the numbers seem to indicate. It's quite unfortunate. Especially when you consider that sprint car drivers aren't rolling in the big bucks like NASCAR drivers do. An injury that takes them out for a while could be financially damaging to them and their families. A death would, obviously, be just about the worse thing when that's combined with the grief they would be experiencing. 604. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With that said...Tony Stewart's a grown man with no family to take care of who is fully aware of the risks involved. He can do whatever he wants. And to the NASCAR media...just because Tony doesn't have a wife telling him what to do doesn't mean that y'all need to fill that role for him. 605. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yikes. I've never been a Tony fan, have always called him out for not reaching his full potential, and have recently questioned his sprint racing. With that said, I feel like crap for being right. I can't even take satisfaction in knowing he called Brad out last year for having a "death wish" yet he kept racing sprint car races after a couple of bad wrecks. With both bones broken, he won't be effective in the car for quite some time. Him and Denny really need to take a few months away from any racing so they can heal up. 606. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because deep down I am a bad person and can't help it: I bet Jessica Zemken is glad to have this dead weight off her hands. Having to take care of a bf with a broken leg would really suck. 607. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Because deep down I am a bad person and can't help it: There is already a meme on facebook talking about Ryan Newman having to carry SHR now. The irony is stunning. I did share rhe meme because, as I mentioned, I am a bad person. 608. We need more Onion posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PII #21 - Trevor Bayne: Every year I want Roush to fall out with one of his drivers so he can move up and show what his is made of. In Wood Bros. equipment he can't realistically better than 15th. #22 - Joey Logano: Probably the only driver in the Cup circuit I hate. Had everything handed to him on a silver plate and had his ass wiped by everyone saying "ooh, look youngest this, youngest that...". Biggest problem is that he still has people telling him this, otherwise he is getting on the right track concentrating on driving in the past few months. #24 - Jeff Gordon: Never liked him, but I agree with everyone saying that he is the absolute best of the last breed of true NASCAR drivers. I also think that he receives relatively little criticism over his often too rough driving. Other times he just behaves in a classy way. #27 - Paul Menard: Against popular opinion, I like him and liked him even when he was driving for Petree. He has a proper, old school attitude; willing to listen to older drivers, really humble and most of the time classy guy. He has taken a lot of criticism over the years and not once I seem to recall him whining. One of my favorites. #29 - Kevin Harvick: If he got his head out of his ass, he could be more than a contender. Never really liked or hated him, he appears as someone who can be a fun guy, but I've never seen him being sorry for one of his bad actions. Let's see what he can do when his buddy is his boss. #30 - David Stremme: I used to laugh at his performance at Ganassi... now I know how hard he works every week and how much faith he has in his team. Consistent and careful driver these days, I really want to see him finally succeed. I also happen to really like Swan Racing's owner, hopefully good things are coming for them. #31 - Jeff Burton: Won't be a popular idea, but I think he should be retrying at the end of 2013 or 2014, he was a top 5 driver during his best years, but lost too much of his speed, while never had anything to gain in consistency. Truck Series maybe? #32 - Timmy Hill: Talented young guy, he views racing as the thing he wants to do all his life, already knows how to get out of the way, humble as hell. Now get him a good ride. #32/2 - Ken Schrader: Will race anything as long as he can. Never really made it in the cup, but surely he regrets nothing. Was my favorite underdog in the #49. #33 - Austin Dillon: His brother is better, but both are still mediocre. I see him having something like an Elliot Sadler career, peaks with one or two top 10 spots. #34 - David Ragan: Loved to see him win and like him, but not quite as much as other underdogs who never had any big chances. Not saying that he had done anything wrong, but I think he is a plate-expert, not much else. #35 - Josh Wise: He is a riddle for me, seems like a nice, quiet guy. Not sure what he could do in good equipment, but I certainly wish it for him. #36 - JJ Yeley: Not really a fan of him, had a few chances. At least he is determined to do well. #38 - David Gilliland: One of those I totally like and can't get why no-one wants him. I rate him as the best driver who is rotting in useless cars. #39 - Ryan Newman: Never had anything pro or contra. Maybe his "Professor Highbrow" attitude stinks sometimes, but honest and fast dude. #40 - Landon Cassill: Besides that he is really funny off track, I don't know much and never seen him in anything even remotely competitive. But I would really like to. #42 - Juan Pablo Montoya: No idea what the problem is with him, he could be faster, given that he is fast in anything if not wrecking. Should get off the high horse and realize he still has things to work on, he is not perfect. But if he couldn't do this in the last 15 years, he will probably never do it. 609. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Well, this thing about Tony Stewart breaking his leg brings up that old adage "some people never learn". In this particular case, Tony Stewart tempted fate one too many times, and it bit him. Like I've said, he should not be running those kind of races because of he risk involved, as well as the fact that he need to concentrate on getting his team into real championship contention, and to put it bluntly, he threw it away for a sprint car race. There's a reason why guy like Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon have always concentrated on only the Cup Series throughout their careers. They know that being sidetracked by running other racing series only hurts their Cup efforts. Both have run only a handful of Nationwide races since entering the Cup Series, and look where it got them. Over 150 wins and nine championships between them. There's a lesson to be learned here somewhere. I've had a feeling over the last couple of weeks that something like this might happen because the drivers in question are not putting their full focus behind what they're supposed to be focusing on, which in Tony's case, is the Cup Series. And even worse, Tony's injury not only affects his team, but also the #10 and #39 teams to some lesser degree. And NicoRosbergFan, I didn't get on A.J. Allmendinger because he had nothing solid, and still doesn't. As a result, he needs to race in whatever he can so he can have a full-time ride somewhere. It's also why I'm not crazy about he idea of Kurt Busch running the IndyCar season finale at Auto Club Speedway the night before a restrictor plate race at Talladega. And what happens if he gets in the Chase, which Tony Stewart's decision got him closer to doing, as that's now one less driver he has to beat to get in the Chase. And also, I don't think Tony Stewart's injury is a 1-race situation. He could be sidelined for a month or longer. If what I heard is correct, his is the same injury that sidelined Darrell Waltrip for over two months back in 1990. Now certainly medical technology has vastly improved since then, but I wouldn't be surprised if Stewart is effectively sidelined through Bristol, because I suspect that he might need a relief driver at Michigan, if he's even cleared to run that race, and Bristol's almost certainly out of the question, and even Atlanta's a question mark. Tony Stewart effectively torpedoed his own team by making that decision. And if I'm right, then who would he choose to replace him for those other races at Michigan, Bristol, and Atlanta, if he can't go. Suddenly, Brad Keselowski, Kurt Busch, Ryan Newman, and even Jamie McMurray, Joey Logano, and Aric Almirola have a better chance at getting one of those Wild Card berths. In fact, Newman's now the de facto #2 Wild Card driver as of now, with Tony Stewart currently out of the equation. I'll be posting my Chase standings update using my weighted system later today, and certainly this will be mentioned. 610. Schroeder51 posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW, this is some shocking news to wake up to... I wish Tony a speedy recovery...seeing as he broke his leg he might be out for months. This really throws a monkey wrench into the whole Chase scenario, as now it looks like Truex and Newman will end up getting into the Chase on Wild Cards. 611. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Sometimes I find myself the lone dissenting voice in this sea of political correctness -Kyle Petty And that is why the fans love him. 612. We need more Onion posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PIII #43 - Aric Almirola: Not sure if he'll ever be a championship contender, but a genuinely nice guy who is east to root for. One of my favorite drivers. #47 - Bobby Labonte: Not too fast anymore, so isn't his car. As always he is still a class act and I think still faster than Burton. #48 - Jimmie Johnson: Had nothing against him for a long time. But fame got in his head and thinks NASCAR is now his little playground. Problem: Brian France agrees. Not hating him, but certainly no positive thoughts. #51 - AJ Allmendinger: IMO, slower than most here believe, yet still a good top 20 driver. Not much of an opinion on him. #52 - Brian Keselowski: Underrated. If he was given a chance, he could prove that he is good, needs a ride which is not his useless junk, other than that determined, optimistic and big. Would like to cheer for him but at the moment it is not realistic that he'll finish a non-RP race. #55 - Brian Vickers: I hate to say it, but now he is easily better than Mark Martin, full time next season? His driving style is similar to Newman. #56 - Martin Truex: So, he was here? All the years without any impact, seems back on the winning track. I enjoyed his driving as the last one standing against the buschwackers. If he is up front, I won't cheer against him. #78 - Kurt Busch: Has a much better attitude than his brother, still really fast. People hated him for running his mouth too much, but now he is cool and often pretty funny. I find myself wanting him to win quite often this year. #83 - David Reutimann: Deserves one last chance, but I'm sure that his prime is/was(?) short. #87 - Joe Nemecheck: There was a fight here on how much winnings Joe is left after a race, I'm sure that not 80%, but 100% goes back into his team. Never been a fan of him, but a perennial underdog who could show up and win once in 4 years is great. #88 - Dale Earnhardt Jr.: The hype and the plastik fans make him appear as a bad guy, which he is not. He appears to be nice, but his best years are long over. More consistent than fast these days. #93 - Travis Kvapil: He acts like a bad luck magnet, probably used all his good luck in 2003 at Homestead. Much better than results show. I'd like to see him up front. #99 - Carl Edwards: Not sure on him, I don't mind him winning, but I won't cry if he never gets his (deserved) championship. 613. The Long Shot posted: 08.06.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Part 2: 17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr.: I have no strong feelings towards Ricky. He hasn't had much of a rookie season, but I would still rate it ahead of Danica's. 18-Kyle Busch: Kyle has probably the most raw talent out of all the drivers in the series, but there is a reason he's nicknamed "Cryle". He whines more than an infant baby. As much respect as I have for his talent, his personality is a major turn-off for me. 19-Mike Bliss: He could probably still finish inside the top 20 on a regular basis if he had a good ride. I have a lot of respect for him as a true underdog. 20-Matt Kenseth: He's not much of a personality, but in this case, that's a good thing. I respect him more than almost any other driver out there. 21-Trevor Bayne: He seems like a pretty nice guy, but I haven't been terribly impressed by his on track accomplishments so far. 22-Joey Logano: I've never seen the arrogance that most other people have seen in him. He strikes me as a kid who was thrust into the spotlight way too early. He was my favorite driver when I first began to really follow NASCAR, and he's still one of my favorites today. 24-Jeff Gordon: If you partake on this board, and you are not a Gordon fan, then you are screwed. Luckily, I'm a Gordon fan. 614. Sean posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) While I don't like Cup drivers in Nationwide/truck races, I DO like Cup drivers in other extracurricular racing. Sprint cars are more dangerous, yes, but I do like inter-series crossovers because it seems "old school". One of the things I've found very sterile about recent racing (especially most of the '90s) is committing to one series and one series only. Obviously, to manage your career like Robby Gordon did is pretty stupid, but seeing most of today's stars commit to one series and one series only (at least in F1 and Cup) helps lead to many of them becoming egotistical blowhards who are unable to understand grassroots racing and thinking they are the center of their own universes. I believe Matt McLaughlin said it the best in this column (which he wrote after Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s sports car crash): http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/NascarNUTs/message/63847 615. The Long Shot posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Part 3: 27-Paul Menard: He's a ride-buyer, but he at least has had some success. A very underrated driver in my opinion. 29-Kevin Harvick: I've never liked Harvick much. He often reminds me of an older version of Kyle Busch, always whining and complaining. Not to mention that his driving accomplishments aren't exactly amazing either. 30-David Stremme: A middling talent for the most part, but I've gained more respect for him ever since he joined Swan Racing. 31-Jeff Burton: I respect Burton about as much as I do Kenseth, but I do think he needs to retire within the next year or two while he still has some dignity left, instead of going down the Mark Martin road. 32-Timmy Hill: He shouldn't even be in the Cup Series at this point in his career. He was rushed in before he was even close to being ready. I have no feelings about him otherwise. 33-Austin Dillon: I don't hate him, but I don't like him, either. His being thrust into the Earnhardt role for RCR after Harvick failed at it is more Childress's fault than Dillon's, but Austin seems to relish the attention, and his self-entitled attitude is almost as bad as Danica's. 34-David Ragan: See Bayne, Trevor. A good guy off the track, but he never really produced on the track. 35-Josh Wise: See Hill, Timmy. I would like to see what he could do in a good Nationwide ride. 36-J.J. Yeley: I like him now that he's running for these smaller teams, but the fact that he never produced with Joe Gibbs Racing leaves a big black mark on his driving accomplishments, in my opinion. 38-David Gilliland: I've always liked him. He's great at the restrictor plate tracks, and after several top 5 finishes over his career, he's overdue for a win. 39-Ryan Newman: I'm surprised that no one has listed Newman as one of the biggest busts in NASCAR history. He looked like he would be the next Bill Elliott over his first couple of years in Cup, but then he promptly burned out, and has been just above mediocre ever since his Daytona 500 win in 2008. 40-Landon Cassill: He deserves a full-time Cup ride, and a good one at that. In fact, I think Cassill should be the successor of Jeff Gordon in that #24. He has far more potential than Regan Smith does, in my opinion. 616. Ryan W posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Tony blasted a guy that asked him about retirement a couple of weeks ago and yet he continues to put himself in harm's way with weaker drivers. I know he loves to race and I guess he has a "for love of the game" clause with his sponsors where he can race anytime he wants like MJ could play basketball at anytime like he did with the Bulls. It's time to rethink all that and stick to Nascar. Maybe try to win Indy 500 here or there. It seems that all the greats at one time in their life have had to deal with something like this. Jeff Gordon was really close at Vegas in '08. Bobby Hillin or Dorsey Schrader to replace him this week anyone? Lol. 617. We need more Onion posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Long Shot : "He (Harvick) often reminds me of an older version of Kyle Busch" I suggest watching some Ron Hornaday interviews :) 618. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I can do it to! Because I'm un-original and must smear my opinions in other peoples faces. *Super fake happy voice* Yeah, whatever. I'm just tempted to do my own opinions list. 1. McMurray- Not much of an opinion on him. I like his style. 2. Keselowski- Argh. Annoying, moron, and It'll take me years to get over his drunken stupor from his championship. 5. Kahne- Started liking him because of his personality. it's dropped off some, but at least he's not a rage-a-holic Kyle/Kurt Busch 7. Blaney- "I'm gonna have nightmares about 'Kids Eat Free'" - Kevin Harvick, 2011 Aaron's 499 9. Ambrose- Argh. Never will get over the bit in Montreal in 2007. 10. Patrick- Personal laughing stock. Otherwise, another woman who just uses sex appeal to get inside of cars. Also, she's using Stenhouse as a crutch to try and get more fans coming her way and buying her gear. 11. Hamlin- Please, just set the rest of this season out! I like you alot dude, don't kill yourself needlessly. 13. Mears- No opinion. 14. Stewart- Urgh. Two-faced moron. I remeber back in 2006-2008 my Dad and I would say he would 'cause a huge 20+ car wreck that would hurt someone because of how he drives'. Then comes the 2012 talladega fall event. 15. Bowyer- Like him quite a bit. He's a Kansas boy like me! Well, not much of a boy, per-se, but still... 16. Biffle- Mr. 'I'm going to idly sit back and not try to win because I'm afraid of losing'. The exact opposite of a 2009 Kyle Busch. 17. Stenhouse- Hoping and Praying he leaves Danica, because I bet that anytime he sees her on track, one section of his mind instantly wants to bone her. If he'd get over that, I bet his career would pick up. 18. Ky. Busch- Shockingly, I've become neutral with him. Nothing he could do now would surprise me. 20. Kenseth- One of my favorites. Awesome dude. Love his personality and style. 21. Bayne- Hoping and Praying that the doors open for him. 22. Logano- Hoping and Praying that his talent opens up for him. 24. Gordon- Fading Rainbow Warrior. Seriously, I don't see him pulling off any more wins. But then again, I said that in 2008. So I could also call him the 'Shocker'. 27. Menard- SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS! 29. Harvick- Like his driving style. I have a bad habit of calling him 'Where did he come from?', but that was even before FOX did it. 31. Burton- Painful to see him fading like this. I think he'll lose interest in the sport in a few short years. 32. T. Labonte- Iceman...that word is it. I have no other opinion. The only other thing I think of him as his Mr. Corn Flakes. 33. Dillon- Hoping that he'll step into a Black #3 (different font) and win a bunch of races in cup. 34. Ragan- Lacks consistent talent. Just below average. 36. Yeley- No opinion 39. Newman- Wishing he could be just a tick luckier of a driver. Plate tracks hate him, flat tracks love him. 42. Montoya- Hoping and Praying like you would not believe that he could win the Daytona 500, the Coke 600, or the Birckyard 400. 43. Almirola- No thoughts or opinions. 47. B. Labonte- No opinion. 48. Johnson- Favorite driver. Following him since 2004, my first year. However, I believe at least a third of his success is team-based. I'm hurt by the fact that he has unintentionally driven fans away from the sport. 55. Martin- Another heartbreaking story. Just please god, One more killer blind-luck win at a big-name race! otherwise, our best link to the past. 55. Vickers- Worst driver currently in Nascar. period. I will never like him, regardless of how many heart holes he forms. 56. Truex Jr.- Mr. 'I forget he is still a threat in these races'. 78. Ku. Busch- Hoping and praying he'll win for the team. It's terribly cynnical, I couldn't stand the guy before 2009. 52: Brian Keselowski - All I can see is his car sliding against the wall after the 2011 Dyaotna 500 Big one. 83. Reutimann- No comment. 87. Nemecheck- No comment. 88. Earnhardt Jr.- Neutral. 93. Kvapil- No comment. 99. Edwards- 619. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Good Lord Christ!? Tony's been injured also now? Geez. that guy is insane. I am not for 'Professional' drivers racing consistently in lower series for reasons like this! I understand them doing it hit and miss, but THIS MUCH!? Give me a break! 620. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.06.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) "55. Vickers- Worst driver currently in Nascar. period. I will never like him, regardless of how many heart holes he forms." How does the worst driver currently in NASCAR have a win this season? Explain that to me dude. 621. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see that quite a number of posters are posting a projected lineup for the 2014 Sprint Cup season (and adding thoughts about the drivers while they're at it). I'm not going to do that until around New Year's, and I'll do that in a blog post. However, I'll comment on one of the opinions, and that is The Long Shot's opinion of comparing David Ragan to Trevor Bayne. There's one HUGE difference. David Ragan had five years in Roush's #6 car, and except for brief flashes, and his win in the 2011 Firecracker 400, he did very little. Actually, he's been more impressive in the #34 car than he was in the #6 car, which I chalk up to experience and a lack of pressure. But I do think we'll see him in a god car again. Trevor Bayne, on the other hand, has never really gotten a sustained chance in a good car. He was blossoming in the #99 NNS car in 2010 until funding ran dry, which is how he got to Roush in the first place. Then for reasons he could do nothing about, his career got sidetracked until this year due to health and sponsorship reasons. Then this year, he finally gets that chance, and the cars are, for the most part, terrible, and without a quality teammate, he's essentially forced to go it alone. Further more, Roush also lacks the car setup knowledge that Matt Kenseth, and before that, Mark Martin gave them. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised he's done as well as he's done, winning a race, something even NNS points leader Austin Dillon has been unable to do, because Bayne's cars aren't set up that well, and aren't as fast as they need to be because of Roush's typically conservative engine setup, something that's really shown up this year with Penske's return to Ford, because Roush is well behind Penske in both the Nationwide and Cup Series. Bayne's not being given what he needs, yet I think he's doing a go job with it. 622. murb posted: 08.06.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I see that quite a number of posters are posting a projected lineup for the 2014 Sprint Cup season (and adding thoughts about the drivers while they're at it)." They're just thoughts about the drivers, not projected 2014 lineups. I just saw a video of Tony's wreck. To me it just looked like a normal sprint car wreck. If you want to see the video, you'll have to work up some courage and spend a couple minutes on Nascar.com. 623. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.06.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm tempted to do a driver rundown like many people here have done, but I don't think I will since I don't have the time to do so right now. But Tony's broken leg is shocking news. I wonder who will fill in for him. And the chances of Denny making the Chase this year are slim to NONE, so I agree with you guys that he too needs to sit out the rest of this year and get a fresh start in 2014. Jeff Gordon was extremely lucky that he didn't worsen his injury a few years ago. 624. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Has anybody else had any beefs with Joey Logano this year? Cause both Denny and Tony have wound up breaking bones and missing races. I know it has been a few years, but if I were Kevin Harvick I would be worried. He'll probably trip over one of his kid's toys and break his arm or some ribs. 625. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright, here's the latest update on how the Chase standings would look if my weighted system was used. And remember that any ties would be broken by the current standings. Also remember that, although he currently holds down the first Wild Card spot, Tony Stewart will plummet as a result of his injury, because it's unknown how long he'll be out. We know he's out for Watkins Glen, but it could be as long as the rest of the season, or he could be out for just a couple of races. Keep that in mind when looking at the list. Here's what the current Chase reset would look like using my system: 1. Jimmie Johnson (points leader, 4 wins) 2042 (2030+12) 2. Clint Bowyer (second, no wins) 2027 3. Carl Edwards (third, 1 win) 2027 (2024+3) 4. Kevin Harvick (fourth, 2 wins) 2027 (2021+6) 5. Matt Kenseth (seventh, 4 wins) 2024 (2012+12) 6. Kyle Busch (sixth, 2 wins) 2021 (2015+6) 7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (fifth, no wins) 2018 8. Kasey Kahne (eighth, 2 wins) 2015 (2009+6) 9. Jeff Gordon (ninth) 2006 10. Greg Biffle (tenth, 1 win) 2006 (2003+3) 11. Tony Stewart 2000 (11th in points, 1 win banked in, gets the tie-breakers over Martin Truex, Jr. and Ryan Newman due to higher points position) 12. Martin Truex,. Jr. (14th in points, 1 win banked in, gets the tie-breaker over Ryan Newman due to higher points position, but loses tie-breaker to Tony Stewart for the same reason) NOTE: Since Tony Stewart is now injured and unable to compete, he will begin cascading down the standings since he will not be able to race for the foreseeable future. Obviously, Stewart's injury and the recent results have bunched up the area between 8th-18th, though Kahne's win at Pocono gives him breathing room over those outside the top ten, and makes him a near-lock to make the Chase. But with Gordon still winless and Stewart out of action, the door is wide open for the other drivers outside the top ten down through 18th place in the standings for the three available spots at the bottom of the top ten. In the current top 20 in the points standings and in contention for a Wild Card spot, but not currently in the Chase: Ryan Newman (15th in points, 1 win, would move into Chase position with a finish of 23rd or better at Watkins Glen if no other Wild Card-eligible driver wins), Brad Keselowski (12th), Kurt Busch (13th), Jamie McMurray (16th), Joey Logano (17th), Aric Almirola (18th), Paul Menard (19th), and Jeff Burton (20th). A driver must be in the top 20 in points to be eligible for a Wild Card spot. 626. Scott B posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR NOW on ESPN actually said something about Denny Hamlin's last place finish at Pocano hurting his chances of making the Chase. Uhhmmm, yeah, have they not given up on that yet? 627. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, I've seen some posters mention Terry Labonte as a possible replacement for Tony Stewart this week, but here's something. Why not put Bobby Labonte in that car? Bobby's not on the entry list for this weekend's race, and since Tony and Bobby have a history (albeit not always a good one), I think Bobby Labonte would be the perfect choice to put in that #14 car while Tony's mending. After all, with Michigan being an obvious exception, Bobby's a guy that can be trusted with bringing the car home, and with Michigan and Atlanta, two of Bobby's best tracks when he was a competitive force (Atlanta being his absolute best), if they were to put Bobby in the car, they would still stand a good chance to make the owner's Chase, even if they ran 15th-20th, and I think Bobby can still do better than that at some tracks in a good car. The best option for Tony Stewart is to put Bobby Labonte in the car. After all, he knows Bobby probably better most, since they were teammates for seven years (1999-2005). 628. 18fan posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It appears that Max Papis will drive the 14 car at Watkins Glen. 629. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Has anybody else had any beefs with Joey Logano this year? Cause both Denny and Tony have wound up breaking bones and missing races. I know it has been a few years, but if I were Kevin Harvick I would be worried. He'll probably trip over one of his kid's toys and break his arm or some ribs." In that case Ryan Newman better be careful! 630. joey2448 posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's gonna be Mad Max in the 14 car this weekend! 631. Scott B posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mad Max in the #14 for the Glen should be interesting. He can give them a good finish if he doesn't destroy the car. Still wide open on who fills in after that. Bobby could be in the running for that. It would probably be a multi-step process, but there's time to work it out now that the Glen in covered. a. The #47 releases Bobby, which they appear to be planning anyway. b. AJ to the #47 for the rest of the season, and into 2014. c. The #51 continues to rotate drivers, but without Bobby or AJ (although Bobby could be an option again once Tony returns to the #14). It's pretty much a win for all parties, although it forces some decisions to be made that folks have been dragging thier feet on. 632. murb posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Didn't think of Papis. Cool to see him get a good shot in a good Cup car. Maybe he'll bitch slap someone again, lol 633. 83andJoe posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lee Spencer's article stating Papis would sub has something that left me scratching my head in it: "Regardless of where Papis qualifies for Sunday's race at the Glen, he will start at the back of the field. The deadline for a driver change without penalty for this race was July 30." ...what? 634. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Again, putting Max Papis in the car ties into the owner's Chase, because Papis should definitely give that team a chance to finish in the top 10, if not better than that, which means that the team can still earn points toward the owner's Chase, because the #14, which is 11th in points, still would earn the points that the driver gets toward the owner's title. Remember that with a number of the teams around the #14 in owner points having drivers that don't do well at Watkins Glen (5, 24 in recent years, 16, 56), Papis could get them to as high as eighth in the owner's standings after this weekend's race, depending on how the others do. With Stewart out, there's now a very good likelihood that the driver's Chase and the owner's Chase will have a differing look in 2013, because the #14 has a great chance to be in the owner's Chase, and the #55, which won at Loudon, isn't out of the question, either, while neither one of their drivers figures to be in the Chase this year, depending on how long Stewart is out. But this is the exact reason why there are different standings for driver's points and owner's points. The #14 and possibly the #55 could be in the Chase where owner's points are concerned, while neither team is likely to be represented in the driver's championship Chase. 635. TS1420 posted: 08.06.2013 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Bah ****ing humbug... What a lovely way to start the day before work. Watching the local news ticker and seeing "Three Time NASCAR Champion Tony Stewart suffers broken leg in sprint car crash at Iowa". Very glad he's relatively ok and nothing more serious came of it. Hopefully Mobil 1 & Bass Pro Shops tell Tony to start taking it easy on the 900 sprint car races he thinks he has to run in a year. 636. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.06.2013 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (8) Un grande ora per mi paesano, Max Papis! Vinca, Max! Vinca! 637. 83andJoe posted: 08.06.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) >Hopefully Mobil 1 & Bass Pro Shops tell Tony to start taking it easy on the 900 sprint car races he thinks he has to run in a year. Just like ACDelco should have told Kenny Schrader to cut back all those years, right? 638. BON GORDON posted: 08.06.2013 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow did I really say Joe Gibbs in my post last night. Brain Fart for sure. Ooops... 639. Ryan W posted: 08.06.2013 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (9) What's really a shame is that there is a great chance Tony won't be in the Chase and thus he has cheated himself, team, fans (the ones that he has) and Nascar by probably not being in the Chase by being selfish. To say his chances of winning the Chase/Cup was/is bad is unintelligent. Look what he did a couple of years ago. Whoever wins it this year won't be able to say they actually beat the best out there to win it if he doesn't make it. He had some good tracks coming up to get his second win and secure a spot in the Chase. In 2001, Evernham was not only uspet about Earnhardt getting killed, but also mad that he wouldn't be out there so when Dodge won its first race they could say that they beat the best. Thanks Tony for being so selfish and arrogant and cheating us for some bs sprint car race that hardly you or anyone else could benefit from. 640. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.06.2013 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (4) (17) To those who are bashing Tony Stewart for running a sprint car race and getting hurt: Thank you. You have officially turned NASCAR into cheap entertainment and have taken away it's status as a sport. 641. AveryNH posted: 08.06.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) What's so arrogant and selfish about having a passion Ryan? He loves to race, he does it pretty damn well and unfortunately last it cost him and as a result will set back his season. You take chances when you strap into to your car, every driver does. But they do it for the love of the sport. Do I agree with it? Certainly not. But I respect the fact that he is a fierce competitor who love to race and loves winning more. I think that has been lost upon some of us here. 642. Chives5150 posted: 08.06.2013 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Max Slapis: Round 2? 643. 83andJoe posted: 08.06.2013 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) >But I respect the fact that he is a fierce competitor who love to race and loves winning more. I think that has been lost upon some of us here. It's OK when Kenny & Kenny (Schrader and Wallace) do it. But heaven forbid Tony, Brad or (horror, horror) Kyle do it... 644. NicoRosbergFan posted: 08.06.2013 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (15) (19) I'm done with this forum. I'm sick and tired of people downing my posts just because they are mine. If DSFF 83andJoe or murb wrote my posts, they'd have had 10 ups by now and it's damned apparent. 645. Sky Warrior posted: 08.06.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, terrible to hear about Tony. I meant to come on yesterday and mention Kramer too, but I was busy. May he rest in peace, and hopefully he was looking out for Tony this week. Just a terrible way to start the week. I'm tempted to do an opinions list like everyone else, but I don't think I'd have enough unique opinions. Those were all fun to read though 646. murb posted: 08.06.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (11) (1) "I'm sick and tired of people downing my posts just because they are mine." You're worrying way too much about the thumbs down thing. When they first came out with it, I was paranoid about it too, but I've learned to live with it. Not everyone is going to agree with everything that everybody says. That's just part of it. 647. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Don't understand why restarts are so hit or miss for him. Even in his glory years, I don't remember many of his wins coming on ballsy restart moves" He beat Big E at the Firecracker 400 and the Southern 500 on restarts in 1995. 648. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I decided to type out my thoughts about this incidence, due to the fact the majority seem to be in disagreement with him racing in sprint cars. http://tkennedy4.blogspot.com/2013/08/tonys-getting-smoked.html 649. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anybody still need proof of Kahne's car advantage in this race? Top 5 total fastest laps in this race: Kasey Kahne 53 Jeff Gordon 14 Brad Keselowski 12 Jimmie Johnson 12 Kyle Busch 5 This folks is what you call lopsided. 650. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, there's one big difference between restarts back then and restarts today. Back then, the leader actually had an advantage on the restarts that was truly earned, but today, the leader is often at a disadvantage because he's actually beside the second place car, instead of in front of it. I think one of Jeff Gordon's problems on restarts, especially in recent years, is that he, as Jackie Stewart once put it, "pussyfoots" it on restarts, or in other words, I not aggressive on restarts. He even admitted Sunday that he didn't drive it as hard into turn one as he should have, and it's not the first time he's made that error leading on a late restart. It cost him at Martinsville in 2010, and it might have cost him at Phoenix in 2010, and it cost him again on Sunday. He's just not as aggressive as he once was in situations like that, and I have to think that, even though it was not on a restart, what happened to him at Watkins Glen in 2007 (when he spun on his own while leading) is still haunting him in those close, late-race situations. He used to be the guy nobody ever wanted in front of them on a late-race restart. Now he's become the driver everyone wants in front in that situation because they know he might not be as aggressive as he needs to be, and they can take advantage of him, and I think it goes back to that race at Watkins Glen in 2007 when he spun out on his own when he was ticketed for a fifth victory there. And he's not really run that well at Watkins Glen since that debacle there in 2007. I think when we look back on what happened to Jeff Gordon in the latter part of his career, that one race, the 2007 race at Watkins Glen, may have done more damage to him than any other race because it may have cost him much of his courage in late-race situations. Ad I still think that race haunts him more than he ever wants to let on, and Sunday's race at Pocono may have been another that the memory of that race at Watkins Glen six years ago prevented him from winning. 651. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Don't understand why restarts are so hit or miss for him. Even in his glory years, I don't remember many of his wins coming on ballsy restart moves" Gordon's 86th career win came from an epic restart and outside pass on Kasey Kahne at Pocono last year. 652. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and Sunday's race at Pocono may have been another that the memory of that race at Watkins Glen six years ago prevented him from winning." The only thing that beat Gordon at Pocono on sunday was Kahne's overwhelming car advantage, because his restart was great, not lame like everyone on here wants to believe. 653. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (15) (1) "I'm done with this forum. I'm sick and tired of people downing my posts just because they are mine. If DSFF 83andJoe or murb wrote my posts, they'd have had 10 ups by now and it's damned apparent." Not everyone can win the "popularity contest" Nico. I don't want you to leave because you have real passion for the sport. And even though you tend to insult me from time to time, you are one of my favorite posters. 654. David posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Does anybody still need proof of Kahne's car advantage in this race? Top 5 total fastest laps in this race: Kasey Kahne 53 Jeff Gordon 14 Brad Keselowski 12 Jimmie Johnson 12 Kyle Busch 5 This folks is what you call lopsided." You call that proof? I sure don't. Take a gander at this: Average Running Position 1. Kasey Kahne - 4.862 2. Kurt Busch - 5.512 3. Jeff Gordon - 6.719 4. Ryan Newman - 7.594 5. Kyle Busch - 8.125 Fastest Drivers Early In a Run 1. Kasey Kahne - 171.596 2. Brad Keselowski - 171.497 3. Jeff Gordon - 171.082 4. Kurt Busch - 170.887 5. Kyle Busch - 170.869 Fastest Drivers Late In a Run 1. Kasey Kahne - 172.090 2. Kurt Busch - 171.213 3. Jeff Gordon - 171.003 4. Brad Keselowski - 170.675 5. Ryan Newman - 170.588 Fastest on Restarts 1. Kasey Kahne - 168.212 2. Kyle Busch - 167.148 3. Kurt Busch - 166.909 4. Jeff Gordon - 166.698 5. Ryan Newman - 166.006 Green Flag Speed 1. Kasey Kahne - 171.492 2. Jeff Gordon - 170.757 3. Brad Keselowski - 170.750 4. Kurt Busch - 170.607 5. Ryan Newman - 170.376 Speed In Traffic 1. Kasey Kahne - 169.285 2. Brad Keselowski - 168.968 3. Kurt Busch - 168.747 4. Ryan Newman - 168.675 5. Joey Logano - 168.389 Now that's what I call "conclusive evidence". :) 655. jabber1990 posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I missed my chance to say this today, i've been busy all day whats Lewis Hamilton doing this weekend? he's been in Tony's car (and out-performed him) and it was also at Watkins Glen... so what's Lewis Hamilton doing this weekend? too bad he made that decision before I was able to post that 656. jabber1990 posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) also, Lewis Hamilton has a relationship with Mobil 1 657. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You call that proof? I sure don't." 10 more fastest laps than the next four drivers combined is overkill for proof. But your analyses definitely boost the argument. 658. David posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I decided to type out my thoughts about this incidence, due to the fact the majority seem to be in disagreement with him racing in sprint cars." Excellent post. May I suggest posting it in the blog section here? And if you don't have an account, you can create one by clicking "Become a blogger" and following the instructions. Just a thought, since not all users of this site visit the comment section. 659. David posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "10 more fastest laps than the next four drivers combined is overkill for proof. But your analyses definitely boost the argument." I was just taking a poke at you. I was really looking for an excuse to post all those stats here. It's all good. 660. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *analysis Please don't crucify me for misspelling a word. I'm 30 years old, and my mind is turning to slop. 661. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, but things might have been different Sunday had Gordon drove it into turn one harder, something he admitted himself. He simply isn't as confident out front late as he used to be, and I think the line of demarcation on that is the 2007 race at Watkins Glen. What I think that did was to take away his confidence in late race situations when he's out front. Now certainly Kahne had a faster car than Gordon, as he always has on the speed tracks, but Gordon certainly didn't make it as difficult as he could have because he didn't drive into turn one that hard, something he admitted himself. And again, he made that same error at Martinsville in 2010, Phoenix that same year, and yesterday, and that tells me that he's not confident in his own ability to close out a race. Even when he won at Texas in 2009, he finished weakly, but still had enough of a lead on Jimmie Johnson that he could hold on for the win. And how many times did he try to give away the fall race at Charlotte in 2007, yet still won? All of those issues he's had late in races have come after his late spin from the lead at Watkins Glen in 2007. What Gordon has now is a lack of confidence in leading races late, a problem he never had before his collapse at the Glen six years ago. 662. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "whats Lewis Hamilton doing this weekend?" Lewis is training all during the summer break. He really wants to topple Adrian Newey's juggernaut run at four straight double world championships. 663. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And how many times did he try to give away the fall race at Charlotte in 2007, yet still won?" His car sputtered on the next to last restart from being low on gas, not because he was "scared". Gordon also allowed Bowyer to run into the back of his car for that very reason on the last restart, so he wouldn't get passed into turn one. 664. cjs3872 posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FF, I agree that his car sputtered in turn one on the next-to-last restart due to low fuel pressure, but what happened on the final restart was that he spun his tires, and if Bowyer had more experience, he would have passed Gordon easily, but he plowed straight into Gordon instead. Again, Gordon said in victory lane that he had "tried to give that race away" numerous times, but he still won. What I think Gordon needs to do is to just ignore the memories of Watkins Glen in 2007 and think of all the times he's en in that same position and not flinched, and I think he's been having trouble with that ever since that incident in 2007. I clearly don't think he's forgotten about what happened there, and the memories if that are still tormenting him when he gets in that position, whether he realizes it or not, and he needs to let it go or it will continue to get the best of him. 665. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and I think he's been having trouble with that ever since that incident in 2007." His failed and horrible restart at Vegas in 2008,which resulted in a awful crash, didn't help his confidence either. 666. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And how many times did he try to give away the fall race at Charlotte in 2007, yet still won?" That was the last "Why Does God Hate Everybody Except Jeff Gordon?" race to date. Newman looked to have him but blew a tire. And Pocono '12 doesn't count because of the luck he had that season until that race. For those bemoaning his recent bad luck (and he has undoubtably been snakebit over the last year and a half) need to remember the charmed existence he lived for the bulk of his career. Also looks like we have another excuse to add to the Gordon Excuse Generator 5000: The '07 Watkins Glen race killed his confidence. I guess winning SEVENTY FOUR races between his botched Pocono '95 restart and that Watkins Glen '07 miscue wasn't enough to convince him he was a good enough driver to just shake off that error. 667. The Long Shot posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) "I'm done with this forum. I'm sick and tired of people downing my posts just because they are mine. If DSFF 83andJoe or murb wrote my posts, they'd have had 10 ups by now and it's damned apparent." Please don't leave, Alex. In spite of our many disagreements, your posts are often the most entertaining for me to read. Your passion for auto racing as a whole is remarkable. If you leave, I'm not saying there won't be people that are happy about it, but you'll be making a lot of people very unhappy, myself included. 668. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Here is my take on Tony running sprint car races: He shouldn't be running them. I've heard all the "it's his passion" arguments. But the fact of the matter is sponsors have invested millions into him as a Cup driver. He is the face of a multi million dollar franchise, the #14 car. He also accepted half ownership into Stewart Haas Racing and has hundreds of employees busting their asses doing thankless work for the hope of having their ride competing for the championship. And he just pissed that all away. And I know that he could have hurt himself driving to the grocery store. But you put yourself in position for good things to happen, and you put yourself in position for bad things to happen. We have already seen far too many drivers killed in sprint car races this year alone including Jason Leffler. He had also already been involved in two scary crashes in these cars himself, including one that sent a 19 year old aspiring female racer to the hospital. At some point you have to step back and say "I'm lucky nothing has happened yet, I'm getting out of Dodge". I know he has a true passion for sprint car racing, but he has accepted NASCAR Cup racing as his JOB. And he has accepted millions of dollars per year to do this JOB. This isn't like the old days when drivers ran all sorts of races for extra cash they needed. What if any of us and our five figure per year salary had broke our leg doing something like this outside of work and showed up to tell our bosses "Um, I can't work for a while, here is what happened...."? We'd be fired. In my opinion Tony did not live up to the responsibilities presented to him and accepted by him in running these races. He doesn't live in a vacuum. That is why, when Dale Jr drove for Budweiser, they contractually forbade him from running more than a handful of outside races because they wanted him to be associated with the #8 Winston Cup Budweiser car, and the Budweiser car only. Because they had invested so much money into him. As a Brad fan, I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish Miller Lite would do the same. He is much like just every other athlete who wants to have their cake and eat it too. You can't do that, and that is what has driven a huge wedge between the modern athlete and the fans. And for a sport like NASCAR whose success is most linked to fan interaction, he has to take this seriously. Very few drivers get the chance to race in Cup in top dollar equipment. That is a gift that must be protected. As Rusty famously said in his final driver's meeting, this is a privilege. In all honesty, I question why Tony is even in NASCAR at all. His true passions are obviously elsewhere. He is only here because that is where the lion's share of money, publicity and fame are. He gets so annoyed so quickly by every little thing about the sport. And this is coming from somebody who, personality issues aside, am happy he is here. After the incredible display of driving he put on at Homestead '11 and California '12 of slidejobs and driving the piss outta that thing, I stated he had entered "Earnhardt Territory" where his driving alone was worth the price of admission. And I stand by that. But his passions in racing are, in order, 1) sprint car racing 2) the Indy 500 3) running Eldora and 4) NASCAR. He shouldn't be running sprint car races, and hopefully his sponsors force him to pay back some of their investment. 669. JG24FanForever posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon surpassed Richard Petty for second on the Modern 2nd place finishes list with his 67th. Gordon continues to add to his resume at Pocono with his 6th 2nd place finish to go with his 6 wins,5 races dominated and 973 laps led. 154th career Top 2 finish (Modern record) 212th career Podium finish (Modern record) 303rd career Top 5 finish (Modern record) 423rd career Top 10 finish 670. Baker posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Join the club DSFF. I have questioned Tony's place in NASCAR since he won his 2nd Championship. At that point in his career he had won numerous USAC titles including the first ever Triple Crown. He had won an IRL Championship and then 2 Cup Championships. He had won the Brickyard 400 and numerous other prestigious events across the motorsports spectrum and should have won the 24 hours of Daytona. He obviously loves racing, but he obviously doesn't care for the fame and publicity that comes with it. I honestly wish he would set out on a goal of winning the WoO championship as well as Kings Royal and Knoxville Nationals then get back into an IRL car for some attempts that the 500 as well as some runs at the 24 Daytona and La Mans and 12 hours of Sebring. It would be nice to see him in the Snow Ball Derby as well considering he has won almost every other dirt all star event there has ever been. He has already conquered NASCAR and doesn't need to prove anything more. Hell, he is 1 of only 2 drivers to have defeat the cheating tag team of Chad and Jimmie. Call it a career. You are a team owner now you can still get in a car for the Daytona and Southern 500s, Coca Cola 600 and Brickyards if you wish just get out of full time and conquer some more racing disciplines. 671. Mr X posted: 08.06.2013 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I would say that most everyone here has a habit or hobby or an everyday activity that is somewhat risky, but I bet you that none of us are to eager to give that up. Tony raced a car, got in a crash and hurt himself, it's a broken leg, the type of injury that happens all the time in other stick and ball games. It's unfortunate and I hope to see him racing again soon. Whilst I understand the concern at the moment given some recent fatal accidents, and the knowledge that ultimately if the right circumstances arise, almost anything could fatal and certainly almost any car crash some knee jerk criticisms are to be expected, but saying that no driver can indulge in any risky activity, particularly when that activity involves driving because they need to focus on their career is kind of ridiculous IMO. Look at Formula 1, Lewis Hamilton left McLaren for Mercedes for several reasons, but the PR work that Lewis was having to do was one of them. Kimi Raikkonen and Ferrari were happy to split after 2009 for many of the same reasons, and while Lotus is certainly keeping him from some success his contract there isn't extremely binding either. Frankly if I were a driver in NASCAR, Tony Stewart's situation would be virtually ideal. Personally I'm generally pretty stubborn. Tony's been around this game a long time, he know's the risks and rewards, if he's willing to chance it that's his business, personally I prefer to lean towards personal freedom. Regarding Tony's dirt racing career once he is healed, whatever he chooses to do is fine by me. NASCAR is Tony's career, his life doesn't completely revolve around it, although it is close in his case. He is very lucky to have a career which is also his favourite hobby, but he is his own boss, and frankly he could retire tomorrow and easily have the necessary funds to live in extreme luxury. Just remember there's no reason why he couldn't get hurt in his own personal street car, or his cup car, or any other mundane task. People get hurt, at play or at work. Tony wasn't selfish, IMO if you require that someone else give up some of their own life for you're gain you should look in a mirror. 672. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 08.07.2013 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "That is why, when Dale Jr drove for Budweiser, they contractually forbade him from running more than a handful of outside races because they wanted him to be associated with the #8 Winston Cup Budweiser car, and the Budweiser car only. Because they had invested so much money into him. As a Brad fan, I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish Miller Lite would do the same." I wish Miler Lite, Shell-Pennzoil, M&M's, Home Depot, Budweiser, and Farmers Insurance all felt that same way. 673. 83andJoe posted: 08.07.2013 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) >But the fact of the matter is sponsors have invested millions into him as a Cup driver. He is the face of a multi million dollar franchise, the #14 car. He also accepted half ownership into Stewart Haas Racing and has hundreds of employees busting their asses doing thankless work for the hope of having their ride competing for the championship. And he just pissed that all away. Sponsors who, presumably, knew what they were getting into when they signed on the dotted line. I'm getting really annoyed at the hyprocricy about this. Kenny did it and that's awesome. Tony does it and he's reckless? 674. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.07.2013 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0)  People get hurt, at play or at work. Tony wasn't selfish, IMO if you require that someone else give up some of their own life for you're gain you should look in a mirror. I respect your opinion on this matter. I was giving mine. I don't expect to change anyone's view, and I don't expect anyone to change mine. I was partaking in dialogue as were you, and that is a good thing.But I must say I took exception to this last sentence. I think any of us who have a job have had to give up a portion of our life. And a pretty good one at that. I'm not asking him to do anything anyone with a job doesn't, under usual circumstances, have to give up. And it isn't for MY gain. First off, for the mechanics and general laborers at SHR who do the dirty work for no glory. With Tony out of the title fight (he broke both bones, he'll be out for a while), their car will be mostly ignored in favor of those in contention. And secondly for the sponsors. This hurts the sport. As much as I hate the complete reliance on sponsor dollars because it causes certain rides to go to more connected and more famouspeople and has caused the horrible PC era, the fact is the sport needs sponsors backing drivers to stay healthy. This will cause sponsors to think twice or place so many restrictions in future contracts it will really be a burden. 675. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.07.2013 - 1:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm getting really annoyed at the hyprocricy about this. Kenny did it and that's awesome. Tony does it and he's reckless? I would like to address this one. First off, it was reckless of Kenny to do it. And I think it impacted his career. As much as we all love Schrader, his career numbers are pretty weak. Could he have done better had he focused solely on Winston Cup? It would be hard to do worse. Although most of this was accomplished with some really shitty rides, especially from '03 to present, he broke Michael Waltrip's record for most consecutive races without a win. Ouch! Secondly it was a different era. Sponsors were aplenty and interchangeable. There were also less races during Schrader's glory years in Winston Cup. Hell, sometimes the schedule had TWO off weekends in a row. Compensation for racing these dirt races would actually make a dent in the driver's wallets, hence guys like Earnhardt running Busch races at IRP, Milwaukee, and Loudon before it got a Cup date. Any coincidence Dale quit running Busch after '94 when "The Intimidator" was officially an institution and marketing machine, as well as the mountain of money he made with merchandise celebrating his record tying 7th Winston Cup? Him running those races was no longer worth his time. The extra money that used to mean something for him was at that point just pissing in the ocean amd expecting it to rise. Schrader never quit because it was just bred in him and, although universally rezpected and liked, was never a merchandising machine by any means until he took over the M&Ms car, and that was mainly because of the blending of awesome personality and awesome paint scheme. By that point 30+ years of dirt racing was too long to just quit. And third, as mentioned earlier, everybody loves Schrader. When you reach a certain level of loveability you get passes much easier, especially compared to those who lash out and take personal digs at those who dare question what did wind up biting you. Hypocritical?? Of course. But that is life. 676. BON GORDON posted: 08.07.2013 - 2:33 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I may be stating the obvious and it may have already been said but I would say Stewart is done for the season. I've broke my Tibia and Fibula when I rolled a golf cart seven years ago. It hurts and still does today. I have a metal rod in my leg and it takes awhile to get used to. Stewart will need physical therapy and a lot of time to heal. Good luck Stewart. Look forward to seeing you race again in 2014. 677. JG24FanForever posted: 08.07.2013 - 7:49 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I'm getting really annoyed at the hyprocricy about this. Kenny did it and that's awesome. Tony does it and he's reckless?" You should be annoyed. Stewart was leading the race, and the reason he was involved in a wreck is because a back-marker lost control and hit him from the side, which caused his car to violently snap and flip very violently for a brief moment. It's not like Stewart was doing any bad driving and struggling or anything like that, he was just incredibly unlucky. Mobil 1 had him drive an F1 car at Watkins Glen as a promotion in 2011, and who would be held responsible if he was injured or killed that day? "I would say Stewart is done for the season. I've broke my Tibia and Fibula when I rolled a golf cart seven years ago." Ouch! I know that was painful because I split my ulna in half when I was 9 years old, and it was very unpleasent. And yes, Stewart will most likely be out for the rest of the season because he also had surgery too. 678. JG24FanForever posted: 08.07.2013 - 10:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) I've always considered Pocono a road-course of sorts,and I wanted to make a road-course+Pocono mini-stats sheet for fun. Most wins: Jeff Gordon 15----(any surprise that he's #1 at both disciplines?) Rusty Wallace 10----(6 RR and 4 at Pocono.) Bobby Allison 9----(6 RR and 3 at Pocono.) Tim Richmond 9----(5 RR and 4 at Pocono.) Darrell Waltrip 9----(5 RR and 4 at Pocono.) Tony Stewart 9----(7 RR and 2 at Pocono.) Richard Petty 8----(6 RR and 2 at Pocono.) Ricky Rudd 7----(6 RR and 1 at Pocono.) Bill Elliott 6----(1 RR and 5 at Pocono.) Geoff Bodine 6----(3 RR and 3 at Pocono.) Dan Gurney 5----(5 RR but never raced at Pocono.) David Pearson 5----(4 RR and 1 at Pocono.) Top 5's: Mark Martin 40 (an even 20 at both. only 4 wins, and none at Pocono.) Jeff Gordon 38 (an even 19 at both.) Ricky Rudd 35 (26 RR Top 5's!) Dale Earnhardt 30 (20 RR Top 5's.) Rusty Wallace 29 Bobby Allison 26 Benny Parsons 26 Terry Labonte 25 (18 RR Top 5's.) Richard Petty 24 Bill Elliott 24 Tony Stewart 24 (an even 12 at both.) Every great road-racer is a great Pocono driver. Big E was an unbelievable wheel-man but only had 3 wins at both disciplines. 679. startandparkfan posted: 08.07.2013 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Looks like Stewart is out for the next few, check Jayski. 680. cjs3872 posted: 08.07.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @679, that should be a surprise to nobody. Again, his injuries are similar to the ones that Darrell Waltrip (1990), Kyle Petty (1991), and Bill Elliott (1996) suffered in the past. Waltrip's leg injury kept him out from July through the Southern 500, Kyle Petty's injury kept him out of action from May until the Southern 500, and Bill Elliott was out for May and June, not coming back until the 1996 Firecracker 400. Waltrip missed six races (and it should have been seven), Kyle Petty missed 11 races (12 if you count the All-Star Race), and Elliott missed five races (six if you count the All-Star Race). So it figured that this was a multiple-race situation. The question becomes, who will drive the #14 car after Watkins Glen? I still say Bobby Labonte is a great option for reasons mentioned in another post. 681. joey2448 posted: 08.07.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Lol @ NicoRosbergFan's first comment on this page, 46 dislikes! 682. jabber1990 posted: 08.07.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) so, spring pocono was Jason Lefflers last race summer pocono was Tony Stewarts last race for a while pocono was cursed this season also, no comments on my suggestion for Tony Stewarts replacement as Lewis Hamilton? 683. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.07.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (6) (2) Am I the only one here who has never paid attention once to the thumbs up thumbs down deal? I habe never once gone back to see if my posts were liked or not. 684. 83andJoe posted: 08.07.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I'm the same way, DSFF. 685. AveryNH posted: 08.07.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) And some troll promptly thumbed down both your comments and will surely thumbs down mine too. I really do hope NRF returns. He's a staple in this forum. This worrying over whether anonymous people like or dislike you post is silly and a shame. I Wish he didn't take those gutless people so seriously. 686. TS1420 posted: 08.07.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "so, spring pocono was Jason Lefflers last race summer pocono was Tony Stewarts last race for a while pocono was cursed this season" Pocono has been cursed since the last 2012 race, counting that tragic lightning storm. 687. The Long Shot posted: 08.07.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really do hope NRF returns. He's a staple in this forum. This worrying over whether anonymous people like or dislike you post is silly and a shame. I Wish he didn't take those gutless people so seriously." He was on the blog section just a little while ago, so no, he hasn't permanently left yet. I do hope he continues to regularly comment here, though, instead of just posting occasional blogs. 688. Chives5150 posted: 08.07.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @686: "Pocono has been cursed since the last 2012 race, counting that tragic lightning storm." Let's not forget drunk fans high on drugs running across the track into oncoming race traffic or the local fauna wanting to come out of the forest to watch a race every now and then. 689. David posted: 08.07.2013 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The aforementioned drunk fan incident occurred during the June 1993 race there. 690. Schroeder51 posted: 08.07.2013 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's been at least 2 occasions at Pocono where a drunken fan decided to cross the race track. It also happened in the July '03 race there, albeit under a caution flag. 691. David posted: 08.07.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to our fine friends at the Bleacher Report, that authoritative source of expert analysis on the sport we love, these are the most overrated drivers in Cup right now. 10. Kasey Kahne 9. Jeff Burton 8. AJ Allmendinger 7. Ryan Newman 6. Greg Biffle 5. Martin Truex, Jr. 4. Joey Logano 3. Denny Hamlin 2. Danica Patrick 1. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (The article was posted on June 19) Shocking, isn't it? Most of the comments on the article were negative. There is still hope for NASCAR fans! 692. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.07.2013 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Nico, you can't let this anonymous thumbs down stuff get to you. Unless they are willing to come right out and post "Nico, I disagree" then they don't matter. Don't be so sensitive to that stuff. 693. Sky Warrior posted: 08.07.2013 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That list there isn't a legitimate overrated driver list without Kyle "175 Minor League wins and 25 Cup wins is the same as 200 Cup wins" Busch 694. Sky Warrior posted: 08.07.2013 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of the younger Busch brother, there has been 192 Nationwide and 133 Truck races since the start of the 2008 season, when he made the switch to Gibbs and Toyota, a total of 325 minor league races. Kyle has run 224 of those. No doubt he would at least be a legitimate championship contender in the series that counts by now if he wasn't so focused on playing out his real life version of an EA NASCAR Racing game 695. Zackary Shawn posted: 08.07.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I'm done with this forum. I'm sick and tired of people downing my posts just because they are mine. If DSFF 83andJoe or murb wrote my posts, they'd have had 10 ups by now and it's damned apparent." Nico, you and I have had disagreements but you shouldn't care if people disagree with you or not, especially if they do so anonymously. If what you say is your legitimately formed opinion and your opinion isn't something that is immoral (such as wishing harm upon a driver), then stick your guns against those who disagree. I still think a winless champion would probably be about the most worthless thing I've ever seen in sports (outside of Alabama's 2011 National Championship) and most people here not only disagree, but actually seemed offended by that suggestion (which I don't understand, but whatever). You know what? I defended my opinion against those who disagreed, but really I don't give a damn if someone or everyone disagrees because that's how I feel and only what I think on a particular subject matters when it comes to me. Nobody can tell you, me, or anyone else on this form that our opinions are wrong because they can't, by definition, be wrong. Keep that in mind Nico. When your dealing with what YOU think about a particular subject, only what YOU think actually matters. Of course this HAS to work both ways to. And I'm not saying you can't disagree with an opinion, per say, I'm saying that nobody can tell you your opinion is wrong. It's a bit paradoxical, but I think there's a difference between disagreement and telling someone their subjective opinion is wrong (and some posters on this site, both anonymous and very active posters need to learn this lesson). I hope you read this and take it to heart and continue to post here because although I disagree with probably at least half of what you say, you do provide with a new way of looking at things. 696. David posted: 08.07.2013 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *continues reading said comments on article* /Maybe/ there's hope. 697. David posted: 08.07.2013 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "per say" It's "per se". 698. Anonymous posted: 08.07.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Lmao comment 537. how dare kasey try to win a race! he should never try hard to win especially if hes racing god almighty himself jeff gordon. he outdrove gordon. simple. Nascar fans especially gordon fans bitch too much. kahnes so terrible. bad person and terrible racer. he sure sucks. 699. Rexrobe posted: 08.07.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Although I am new to this site, I have been a regular participant on racing forums for well over a decade, mostly TrackForum but some others as well. So speaking as an old veteran, for all the good that forums do, it really is just random people on the internet. Each person has the ability to choose what is important to them, but what is said online should not effect a person at all in real life. If a forum, or comments page as it may be, EVER starts to cause a person stress, worry, or grief in the real world it is time to take a step back and away. It's just not worth it. I've had to do that several times myself for various reasons, and each time I have found both the time away and getting back in the fray when I was well rested very beneficial to my enjoyment of racing and life in general. So, NRF, if you are reading, it is obvious that RR has crossed the line from fun to personal. You are right to take time off, and I would encourage you to take all the time you like away and don't worry about coming back. The racing community will still be here when you are ready! :) 700. M47 posted: 08.07.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Nico, when you post borderline-psychotic tinfoil hat-esque posts about how the 48 "cheats" every week, you are going to get blasted. When you post things that make you sound like a conspiracy theory freak, that's what happens. Sorry if people hurt your feelings but you really shouldn't get your jimmies rustled (haha, a pun!) so easily over an Internet forum. There are bigger and more important things in life to worry about. 701. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.08.2013 - 1:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) On a sad note, the long-time operator of the International Race of Champions (IROC), Jay Signore, lost his wife of 53 years, Barbara, who passed away at the age of 80. 702. Roman Bellic posted: 08.08.2013 - 3:37 am Rate this comment: (6) (0) "Hey, Niko! It's your cousin! Let's go bowling!" 703. Ferret posted: 08.08.2013 - 9:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 691, swap the top two around. Jr's (I feel) peaked and is on the way down, and burdened by his name. If he was Dale John Doe, nobody would be holding him to the same lofty standards as his father. Maybe it's time for Jr to hang up the helmet and follow Kyle's lead into the TV booth. After all, Ned was a great TV guy, Dale's turning into one given time, Kyle...ehh he's the odd one out. Danica though, sheesh. she's been average with flashes of brilliance every so often (Indy 05, THAT win, 12th in Martinsville), but she's been rushed up to Cup far, far too soon, she was average in Atlantics, Nwide and good in her ONE ARCA start, however she had the best equipment that day. 704. David posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ferret, that wasn't my list. It was on Bleacher Report. 705. Ferret posted: 08.08.2013 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay then, still I think that it needs redoing as Jr is under a ton of pressure de to his name, Danica's average (who wants to bet she'd flourish in sports cars?) AJ was good in open wheel when he got to Forsythe but the drug issue overshadowed anything he'd done up till then. IMO take out Denny, put Jeremy on the list. Denny has talent has shown he's not overrated. What were those guys on bleacher report on when thy did the list? 706. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.08.2013 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) My list of overrated drivers: 1. Danica Patrick 707. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.08.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Nico, you can't let this anonymous thumbs down stuff get to you. Unless they are willing to come right out and post "Nico, I disagree" then they don't matter. Don't be so sensitive to that stuff." Exactly. I personally never pay attention to or use the comment rate system myself. 708. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 08.08.2013 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, this race proved Jeff Gordon can sniff victory with a car that isn't as good as the people he is racing. If it hadn't been for that last caution, he'd have likely won with a car that wasn't nearly as good as Kahne's. 709. AveryNH posted: 08.08.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Hey, Niko! It's your cousin! Let's go bowling!" -As someone who's wasted far too many days playing GTA IV and will soon waste even more of his life playing GTA V I laughed way too hard at that. That's some good satire! 710. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.08.2013 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also seeing about Jay Signore's wife's passing reminds me how at the end of each year I make a list of the 12 drivers who would deserve to run the upcoming IROC if it was still in existence. Here's how the 2014 lineup would look as of now: Representing NASCAR: 1 - Matt Kenseth (tied for most races won this season including the Southern 500) 2 - Jimmie Johnson (same amount of wins as Matt Kenseth as well as the Daytona 500 winner) 3 - Matt Crafton (most consistent Truck Series driver by far this year) Representing IndyCar: 4 - Tony Kanaan (Indianapolis 500 winner) 5 - Helio Castroneves (points leader for most of the season, as well as completing every lap so far) Representing Road Racing: 6 - Ryan Dalziel (Grand Am) 7 - Andy Lally (Grand Am) 8 - Lucas Luhr (ALMS) Representing Formula One: 9 - Sebastian Vettel (He's been absolutely dominant again this year) 10 - Nico Rosberg (Winner of two crown jewel races: Monaco and Silverstone) Representing USAC: 11 - Bryan Clauson Representing ARCA: 12 - Frank Kimmel 711. cjs3872 posted: 08.08.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RCRandPenskeGuy, that's why I wonder what he (Jeff) could do if he had a car that was close to what Kasey Kahne and Jimmie Johnson had in terms of speed, as well as a crew chief that didn't bungle things the way Alan Gustafson usually does. I think he would be reminding the other competitors just why he's a four-time champion and the third-winningest driver in the history of the sport on a more regular basis. How he almost pulled off that win against a much faster car is why people like me believe he's the greatest of all the modern-era drivers. Put him in a car that's close to what Kasey has, and I think he would have him for lunch. Think about it. Kasey's blown at least two or three races this year with easily the fastest car (Las Vegas and Charlotte), and if not for the caution caused by Matt Kenseth's spin, he would likely have blown another one. While Tony Stewart's injury may have made things a bit easier for Jeff Gordon, I think he may drop out of the top ten in points this week because his crew chief will find a way to blow it, even if his car has speed, which it hasn't at Watkins Glen for years. I don't think he's out of the woods, despite the fact that he performed better than I thought he could at Pocono, because his crew chief will find a way to blow it at Watkins Glen, and then he just has to hold on at Michigan, where a top ten is probably the best he can hope for. If he's in range after Michigan, I think he gets in, possibly as high as eighth in the standings, but he has to hold on the next two weeks. But a Chase without both Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart would signal that a major change of the guard is upon us. 712. David posted: 08.08.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know why I read anything written by Jerry Bonkowski. All it does is get me mad. In his article, "Ranking the 15 Most Consistent Drivers in NASCAR History", some of the comments on it, including some of his own, were downright slanderous against Richard Petty's success. I'll bet if those same comments were posted here, DSFF would go berserk. Anyway, it all goes to say that the only reason you should read anything Bleacher Report has to say about NASCAR is if you want a good laugh (or if you want to get so mad you and up foaming at the mouth). 713. David posted: 08.08.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and" *end* 714. Anonymous posted: 08.08.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't know why I read anything written by Jerry Bonkowski. All it does is get me mad. In his article, "Ranking the 15 Most Consistent Drivers in NASCAR History", some of the comments on it, including some of his own, were downright slanderous against Richard Petty's success. I'll bet if those same comments were posted here, DSFF would go berserk. Anyway, it all goes to say that the only reason you should read anything Bleacher Report has to say about NASCAR is if you want a good laugh (or if you want to get so mad you and up foaming at the mouth). " I saw it too. I almost puked. Where were James Hylton and Neil Castles. Neil is one of only two winless drivers in NASCAR history to lead the points, the other being Mike Skinner. THAT's impressive especially since it was about 8-10 races in that he was leading the points, and James Hylton was consistent enough that a driver like him could win the title nowadays due to the equal points system. Even John Sears would have been second in 1968 using the Latford system. 715. The Long Shot posted: 08.08.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Bleacher Report, one article that I saw on there was "The 10 Greatest Races in NASCAR History", but all it was was really listing the top 10 race finishes of all time. This made me wonder: what were the 10 best overall races of all time, the best overall races from start to finish? Does anyone have any ideas? 716. AveryNH posted: 08.08.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well I'd say the 2003 spring Darlington has to be up there on any greatest race/finishes list. I remember it being mildly exciting and mostly full of green flag runs and pit strategy. And then of course that finish. Instant classic. 717. cjs3872 posted: 08.08.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Guys, the 1984 Daytona 500 was a perfect example. I consider that to have been the greatest Daytona 500 ever run, start to finish. But there was no singular moment in that race that makes one notice it. What that race was about was the greatest drivers of the time battling it out at 190-195 MPH with unrestricted engines on a hot day (and it was hot that day, which resulted in a lot of engine failures), with virtually all of the greats running up front at one time or another, and more drivers on the lead lap and battling for the win than in any previous Daytona 500 to date. And the combined statistics of the six drivers that finished on the lead lap (Cale Yarborough, Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Neil Bonnett, Bill Elliott, and Harry Gant), and blanketed at the finish, are astonishing. And even more amazing was that all but one of the cars on the lead lap changed positions on the final lap. Yet, when the greatest Daytona 500s are mentioned, that one's never brought up, and I think that was the greatest Daytona 500 ever run. 718. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.08.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I've always wondered how to judge a great race. Some define them by good finishes, some define them by who wins and some define them by Championship moments. I seem to characterize a good race by its historical significance. For instance, some races may seem great for a few weeks after the conclusion, such as the California race of this season. However, the Richmond race from last season's regular season finale didn't have a great finish, but was a great race, according to my system. It featured rain delays, passing and great individual driving. I think that makes a great race. Was the 2011 Southern 500 a great race? It was a great story line with a dramatic finish, but I wouldn't consider it to have been a great race throughout. The Camping World Truck Series race from Eldora didn't have a memorable finish, but I would consider it a great race due to the electric environment displayed. A viewer could literally feel the electricity coming through the television. I would consider that a great race because of its historical and memorable value. 719. The Long Shot posted: 08.08.2013 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm sure 83andJoe would disagree, but I consider February's Nationwide race at Daytona to be the best race that I have ever witnessed. Obviously it ended in a very tragic manner, but other than that, I can't remember another race that was so competitive and entertaining. 720. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.08.2013 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've always wondered how to judge a great race. Some define them by good finishes, some define them by who wins and some define them by Championship moments. I seem to characterize a good race by its historical significance." I think this year's Indianapolis 500 is a great example. It had a deserving winner, as well as historical significance. Obviously the finish wasn't climatic, as the race ended under caution, but the first 198 laps were nothing short of thrilling. The cooler temperatures allowed for the most competitive 500 ever in terms of lead changes and overall passing as well as drivers racing clean to produce the fastest 500 in history. On top of that, you had a feel-good story in Tony Kanaan finally winning after so many disappointments. And cjs3872, I'd have to agree with you about the 1984 Daytona 500. Watching the ESPN Classic rerun of that race showed how good of a race that was. And to top it off, Cale Yarborough used the same exact last-lap maneuver as he used the year prior to win. Another really exciting Daytona 500 would be the 2011 race, as well as the 2001 race when you exclude what happened on the final lap. 721. cjs3872 posted: 08.08.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Actually SpeedWorld97, on my original YouTube channel (not my current one), I had uploaded the 1984 Daytona 500 using a combined version of the ESPN Classic version and the SPEED version, which resulted in almost the entire race being seen. Only the parts from laps 110-120, which featured Cale Yarborough's charge through the field, as well as bits and pieces from the series of pit stops around lap 140, not being shown (and the part from laps 110-120 was highlighted in narration). There are other Daytona 500s that featured unforgettable moments. The 1984 race did not have such a moment. What it had was great, compelling racing from start to finish among the greats of the sport, slingshot passing with unrestricted engines (the front row of Cale Yarborough and Terry Labonte qualified at over 200 MPH), and daylong duels between the sport's best, and there were no upstarts to be found at Daytona in '84. That's why I say that was the greatest Daytona 500 ever run. 722. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 08.08.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I've always wondered how to judge a great race. Some define them by good finishes, some define them by who wins and some define them by Championship moments." I'll go by what Dave Despain said a few years ago: "Most races are average, some are good, few are great, fewer then that are awsome and even fewer then that are what you'd call 'a once in a generation grade-A classic'." 1984 Talladega 500 is still concidered even today to be one of the greatest auto races ever run. Sadly, that was a generation ago but maybe since i don't know 2000? Well: 2010 Daytona 500 (not even a pot hole ruined this race.) 2004 Season finale 1992 Season finale 2011 Daytona 500 (wow a race with 2x2 racing which fans hated so much, yet they want back) 2011 Season finale (no explanation needed) 2001 Daytona 500 (Dale may have passed but the race was excellent) 2013 California race (RACING, that is was this race was about, RACING) 2011 Atlanta race (The race was awsome, Jeff vs. Jimmie was just icing on the cake) 2004 Rockingham (last race was great, shame fans didn't give a shit about the track, oh wait...) 2012 MIS races #1 and #2 ^ Just some examples, no where near the 1984 Talladega 500 but good to great races. Our once in a generation race is coming. 723. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 08.08.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Through 1992 in there by accident, sorry. :-P 724. DaleSrFanForever posted: 08.08.2013 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To me, the greatest finishes come on tire grinding racetracks where the race ends on a long run with drivers fighting it out while slipping and sliding ('96 Spring Wilkesboro, '97 Southern 500, '01 Spring Rockingham, '02 Fall Rockingham, '03 Spring Rockingham, '03 Spring Darlington, '04 Rockingham, '05 Atlanta, '06 & '07 Darlington, the 2011 Refuse To Lose 500 at Atlanta as well as '95 Sears Point and '12 Watkins Glen when they were slipping and sliding cause somebody greased up the track). 725. Baker posted: 08.08.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bryan Clauson for USAC, but no Donny Schatz for WoO? I'm sorry, but Donny Schatz would driver circles around Clauson in any type of car on any type of track any day of the week. 726. jabber1990 posted: 08.08.2013 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) am I the only one who liked the 2011 Daytona 500? 727. Baker posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I cannot remember what year it was but on of the greatest moments I have ever seen in racing as far as effort goes(which makes it on of the greatest races ever to me) was a Martinsville Race in 190 degree weather Ricky Rudd willed himself back from several laps down and won the race. Keep in mind that was before the lame dog rule. That day he instantly became one of the baddest dudes to ever walk the planet. 728. David posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "am I the only one who liked the 2011 Daytona 500?" Nope. I loved it, and not just because of the guy who won. 729. David posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I cannot remember what year it was but on of the greatest moments I have ever seen in racing as far as effort goes(which makes it on of the greatest races ever to me) was a Martinsville Race in 190 degree weather Ricky Rudd willed himself back from several laps down and won the race." 1998. Rich Bickle (yes, Rich Bickle) finished fourth in that race. 730. Ryan W posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the two best consecutive races of all time was the '92 Hooters 500 and '93 Daytona 500. Now those races were real treats for Nascar fans. Those races help the sport grow a lot during the early 90's. 731. Baker posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) '92 Hooters 500 will always been the worst race ever run to me because Ernie Irvan lost it and took out Davey Allison costing Davey a Championship. 732. David posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "'92 Hooters 500 will always been the worst race ever run to me because Ernie Irvan lost it and took out Davey Allison costing Davey a Championship." In Ernie's defense, he blew a tire. 733. Ryan W posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) AveryNH, I respect Tony for his racing skills (I think he is the best racer out there in Nascar). I think if you did a decathalon of different types or forms of automobile racing among the best drivers in the world I believe he would win it (if not be really close). Anyways as a few have touched on I believe he should be looking at the big picture right now and that's the way I believe. I just feel he has cheated a lot of people including himself by racing sprints with some weak drivers (he wrecked because a lapped car spun) and now he won't have a chance at the title and it really has ruined it for his team, fans, and even people that don't like him. People that don't like him want to know where he is in the race if they just turn it on. Respect him racing in different forms, but I think he should concentrate more on his gig that matters the most and especially at this time of the year. Something has to give. 734. Baker posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ernie was always one of my favorites too. I hold nothing against him I was simply stating who it was the ruined Davey's championship. Well actually Darrell Waltrip's cheat shot at Pocono ruined his championship Ernie just put the icing on the cake. 735. Ryan W posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, My brother feels the same way. I never thought he would hate someone more than Dale Earnhardt, but he does and that's Ernie Irvan for that very reason still to this day. I believe he could have kept himself out of the middle of the race track after blowing it, but he didn't. He really was a menace out there to a lot of people, including himself. Harsh, but true. In Ernie's book "No Fear" he mentions that possibly could have been some revenge or he's a little vindictive towards Davey because of an earlier incident in the '92 season that he thought Davey wronged him. He basically says that could have been some revenge by accident (literally). 736. DB1995 posted: 08.08.2013 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I liked the 2011 500, Thats the race that got me really following NASCAR, because of who won the race, before that race i just watched the race if i had spare time, but then Trevor won it and i dont know what happened but all of a sudden i couldnt miss a race for anything, i started following practices and stuff last year and am just now starting to really use and understand loop data stats 737. cjs3872 posted: 08.08.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, what happened in that 1992 race at Pocono was that there was a group of cars, and Kyle Petty had passed Rusty Wallace and Davey was right behind Kyle. Darrell Waltrip then tried to go inside of Davey, and Davey put a block on him, and Darrell just wasn't having any of it and Waltrip and Davey touched, causing Davey's wild crash. If you look at the video, you'll see Davey move down two lanes when he blocked Darrell just after Darrell tries go inside Davey. That crash was caused by Davey's blocking. Everyone talked earlier this year about how dangerous blocking is, especially after what happened at Auto Club Speedway, but back in 1992, Davey suffered the worst crash of the season and of his career, and it was all caused by blocking. If Davey doesn't make that error in judgment, he probably wins the championship going away, especially in light of events that happened toward the end of that season. 738. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.08.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Bryan Clauson for USAC, but no Donny Schatz for WoO?" I knew I was forgetting a racing series. Sorry about that because I would have included him. 739. Baker posted: 08.08.2013 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) cjs, I watched it live. Everyone knew and still knows that Darrell had a strong dislike for Davey Allison. He wrecked him plan and simple. 740. Baker posted: 08.08.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Just watched it again just to appease you. 2 lanes? 2 lanes really? You sure know how to exaggerate. That was hardly a block by what we see today. Darrell had more than enough space and time to react. He chose to drive right through him. Like I said everyone knew then and everyone knows now that Darrell never cared for Davey. He just drover right through him. 741. 18fan posted: 08.08.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One of my favorite races was the 1995 fall race at North Wilkesboro. Throughout the 300+ lap green flag run that race had, multiple drivers swapped the lead throughout the race. Another thing that happened in that race was a NASCAR official called Ricky Rudd back into the pits during the final caution period for a missing lug nut that the team swore was tight. This led to Earnhardt's team painting their lug nuts red and the problems that caused at Rockingham a couple races later. 742. AveryNH posted: 08.09.2013 - 1:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan, no harm no foul. I share the same opinion as you and wish Tony would just stick to racing cup. But we've beat that story like a dead horse. Now as for the Davey losing the 92 championship. Sure his Pocono wreck hurt matters but that was in my eyes a racing incident. Both he and Darrell converged at the same time, D.w. didn't lift and didn't want to go in the grass and Davey kept coming down. Sorry but that's just racing. The awful result of that crash though made many point the blame straight at Darrell due to his history with the Allison's. Now the Atlanta finale was a different story. That was terrible luck. It's not like Ernie blatantly went out of his way to wreck Davey and ruin his day and title hopes. He got loose. It happens. It just sucks it happened right in front of Allison. My dad told me next too Martin loosing the 1990 championship that was the most aggravated and excruciating race he ever watched. He then told me that the only thing that made that day at all worthwhile was that Alan Kulwicki won the championship. He was a Ford homer with Davey and Mark being tied for his top driver and A.K. coming in a close third. 743. Ryan W posted: 08.09.2013 - 6:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, I also think Davey is much to blame for that incident. He came down on Darrell. As much as I dislike Darrell and like Davey I thought that was Davey's fault. A local store that I lived near bought the Davey's crashed sheet metal off his car at an auction and had it on display from that wreck. Mark Martin made the comment on radio that they may want to get a body bag that it looked so bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqJ2jft5hP4 Start at 0:25 744. Anonymous posted: 08.09.2013 - 7:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Swervin' Irvan: the nickname makes his recklessness lovable 745. cjs3872 posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, it has nothing to do with who likes or dislikes who. I look at the replay and use the video to judge what happened, and from what I saw, Davey was more to blame for that incident than Darrell. It looked to me like Davey moved down at least one lane, if not two. I makes no difference to me who likes who. Had it been the other way around, Darrell blocking Davey, I would have called it that way. Darrell was one of hose drivers that you didn't cut off, as he was from the old school of racing. Remember that he didn't block Cale on the final lap of the 1984 Daytona 500 for that very reason. He was from the era where you just didn't block, and if you tried to block him, he would either take it lanes lower, or you'd get wrecked. It's that simple. And I didn't try to compare Davey's block in that race at Pocono to what you see today. All I was saying was that everyone mentions how dangerous blocking is, especially in light of what happened at Auto Club Speedway earlier this year. If you throw a block on someone that has a run on you, you're more than likely to get wrecked. That was true with Donnie Allison in the 1979 Daytona 500, Davey Allison in that 1992 race at Pocono, or anyone else. Dale Earnhardt, Sr. lost his life because of the way he was blocking at the end of the 2001 Daytona 500. It's just that NASCAR, unlike other racing organizations, has no rule against blocking, so drivers do seemingly it all the time on big tracks. 746. 83andJoe posted: 08.09.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Once again the mantra: we need rain tires. 747. cjs3872 posted: 08.09.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That would be a bad idea, 83andJoe, especially with so much on the line in the Cup Series. First, the only rain tire NASCAR ever made for the Cup Series is now 17 years old, and that was done in case it rained at the 1996 exhibition race at Suzuka, Japan. Stock cars, especially the Cup Series cars are just too heavy for rain tires. I watched that race at Montreal a few years ago when they ran the rain tires, and it was one of the biggest fiascos of a race I've ever seen, and NASCAR figured that out, as well. And one reason they chose not to pursue that is the outrageous edge in speed slick tires would have over grooved tires. I think they said there was a difference of something like 7 seconds per lap. That's also why they won't qualify under such conditions. And the only way to make it fair in the race is to stop the race so everyone could change from slicks to grooved tires, or the other way around. The way they do it now is better, because it's fair for everyone involved. 748. The Long Shot posted: 08.09.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Webmaster appears to have been busy today. I've seen at least two comments get deleted from somewhere on the website within the past few hours. 749. ch posted: 08.09.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, in case nobody has heard yet, Fox Sports 2 will officially be replacing Fuel TV on August 17th. Providers are NOT going to have to renegotiate the agreements, and the transition should be seamless on launch day. This is from a press release about a new Fox Sports / IMSA (International Motor Sports Association) agreement. "FOX Sports began broadcasting live NASCAR races in 2001 and will launch its new all-sports network, FOX Sports 1, on Aug. 17 with a broadcast of the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series race from Michigan International Speedway as the network's first-ever live event. On the same day, FOX Sports 2 will broadcast the Rolex Series SFP Grand Prix from Kansas Speedway, with a re-air Sunday on FOX Sports 1." So, looks like some of Speed's non-nascar programming will be pushed over to FS2. Good news for those of us who already get Fuel TV. 750. The Long Shot posted: 08.09.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's good to know. It also sounds like they're not ruling out that NASCAR races could be split between FS1 and FS2 starting in 2015. FS1 is also expected to continue to carry Whelen Modified Tour races. 751. murb posted: 08.09.2013 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Penske looks like they are gonna hold everyone hostage in the NNS race this weekend. Not looking forward to that one all that much, but I am looking forward to the Cup race though. 752. Sky Warrior posted: 08.09.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Larson has skipped out on the end of Nationwide practice to head to Knoxville. Gonna be missing about the last half hour. Tony Stewart is one thing, he knows how to drive anything on the planet and has the experience to back it up. But Kyle Larson, who's never seen the Glen in a Nationwide car, in his rookie season, is another thing entirely. After sprint car wrecks claimed the life of a HOF'er and claimed the NASCAR season of a future HOF'er, I would be very careful if I was Chip Gnassi. Just more fuel to the fire of whether NASCAR driver should or shouldn't be running sprint cars. Anthony Gandon got airborne in his Rick Ware #23 Ford, and Kyle Busch's #54 has been caught with a side skirt too low 753. cjs3872 posted: 08.09.2013 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sky Warrior, did Kyle Busch get caught with his side skirt too low, or was it dragging the track so badly that they had to cut the bottom off it, because either thing could have happened. I know I saw part of the side skirt petruding way out, which tells me that it was dragging so bad that they had to cut it. If so, then that's a case of a team trying so hard to get the car on the ground that part of the car I actually too low, and had to be cut, or the car's performance would be worse off. And by the way, speaking of the whole Tony Stewart situation, I heard on the telecast of the Nationwide Series practice that Regan Smith had been rumored to take over the #14 Cup car, probably starting with Bristol. That would be a terrible idea, since Smith is in that five-way battle for the NNS title. SHR should look inside the Cup ranks, and as I've said, the most likely candidate to be Stewart's replacement should be Bobby Labonte. Of the drivers available, nobody's worked with Stewart and Greg Zipadelli more than Labonte did when they were all with Joe Gibbs Racing, where they worked together for seven years. What that team needs now is a steady and experienced hand behind the wheel, and Labonte would give them that more than any other driver. And since he doesn't have a full-time ride and has a history with Stewart and Zipadelli, albeit not always a positive one, he would be the natural choice. 754. DB1995 posted: 08.09.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) for the replacement of Stewart, Didn't they sign on Scott Riggs as a test driver? why not put him in the 14 car? 755. ch posted: 08.09.2013 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I heard that it would definitely be a NNS driver, but that smoke wanted a guy with limited cup experience. I immediately thought of Allgaier. 756. DB1995 posted: 08.09.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oddly, Mcdowell looks like he has a fast Front Row Motorsports Ford this weekend he was 2nd fastest in final practice and 14th in the 1st 757. TS1420 posted: 08.09.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As much as I'd like to see either Regan Smith or Austin Dillon subbing for Tony in the #14. I'd hate to see them get distracted from their NWide title chase. What I'd really like to see is SHR buy Harvick out of his RCR contract and put him in the #14 for the rest of the season. 758. DB1995 posted: 08.09.2013 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Note to Webmaster, the loop data stats aren't right for the 2012 alliance truck parts 250 at michigan for nationwide, everyones average position is like 57 759. JG24FanForever posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon on Tony Stewart from today: DO YOU FEEL THE CRITICISM OF TONY STEWART RACING SPRINT CARS IS UNWARRANTED? "I absolutely agree with that. When the conversation is on the flip side about who is a real racer in this garage area, who's got the most talent, who's out there doing the most for motorsports then Tony Stewart rises to the top of that list of the great things that he's doing. Then as soon as he gets injured then you say, "Oh boy, maybe he shouldn't have been doing that." It's certainly up for debate and it's been talked about and bringing a lot of interest on the subject. For me, I say yes that's Tony and I tell him all the time when he goes and runs the sprint car races and wins or is competitive, I'm like, "Man, that's awesome and that's unbelievable." That's because I couldn't do that and I don't choose to do that because of just different things that are happening in my life and the choice that I make, but I applaud him and definitely support him in that effort. It's just unfortunate that this has happened." 760. JG24FanForever posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Top 5 greatest Jeff Gordon road-course performances that didn't result in a win and in some cases a Top 10: 5. Sonoma 2008 (awful car all day long, and he pulls out a 3rd.) 4. Watkins Glen 2007 (He threw it away!) 3. Sonoma 2007 (no practice,no qualifying,started 41st and finished 7th.) 2. Sonoma 2013 (Maybe better than any of his five wins at Sonoma.) 1. Watkins Glen 2003 (Possibly the most dramatic non-win of Jeff Gordon's career.) 761. Sky Warrior posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Sky Warrior, did Kyle Busch get caught with his side skirt too low, or was it dragging the track so badly that they had to cut the bottom off it, because either thing could have happened. I know I saw part of the side skirt petruding way out, which tells me that it was dragging so bad that they had to cut it. If so, then that's a case of a team trying so hard to get the car on the ground that part of the car I actually too low, and had to be cut, or the car's performance would be worse off." Well, I just repeated what the Speed/FS1 secondary broadcast team reported, so I could be dead-to-rights wrong. On that note, Kenny Wallace, I love you as a driver, please give up your broadcasting attempt. Calling Hermie Sadler a great driver makes me think something is wrong with your head 762. ch posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For those of you worried about your TV provider not having an agreement for FS1 on launch date, the truck race from Michigan will be re-aired on FS2 at 7 am on Sunday August 18th. 763. webmaster posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) @758: It should be OK now -- thanks for letting me know about the problem. 764. murb posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Calling Hermie Sadler a great driver makes me think something is wrong with your head" Hermie was a decent Busch driver back in the mid 90s. But yes, his Cup career was a pretty significant failure. 765. DB1995 posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @758: It should be OK now -- thanks for letting me know about the problem. Thanks, its fixed now! 766. cjs3872 posted: 08.09.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sky Warrior, I don't know whether it was NASCAR declaring the side skirt too low or it was the team being too aggressive, but I did notice that the side skirt was damaged in the tail pipe area. Now whether that was from it dragging the track or from adjustments NASCAR had the team make, I don't know. 767. Sky Warrior posted: 08.09.2013 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He was a decent driver, to be sure. A pair of Busch wins, both coming at Orange County in the last 2 Busch races at the track, though neither were dominating wins. Decent on short tracks too. But great? Never. I like Hermie as a driver, if he is still gonna run a race now and again. Not in the great tier though, Kenny W. Regardless of whether their side skirt is too low, it probably won't matter much. They can't take points away from Kyle, only the #54 owner's points if it is a rule violation, and it won't hurt the team enough to take them out of contention for tomorrow's race, sadly 768. David posted: 08.09.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Webmaster, why are the running position stats in your loop data rounded to the nearest whole number? 769. webmaster posted: 08.09.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @768: Because that's how NASCAR supplies the data in their post-race "box score". 770. The Long Shot posted: 08.09.2013 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) webmaster, while you're here, I've been thinking about starting a weekly NFL blog on here, just to spice things up a little (the NFL discussions on here are always intelligent, and I'd like to add some more to the mix). Is there any way you could add a third blogging section (the other two being normal and fantasy-related) that includes all non-NASCAR related blogs? And if not, that's fine. I just don't want to clutter up all the NASCAR-related blogs with my NFL ones. 771. David posted: 08.09.2013 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see. I was just wondering. 772. joey2448 posted: 08.09.2013 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey DSFF, I betchur happy your Panthers are beating my Bears right now...good thing it's only a preseason game. 773. webmaster posted: 08.09.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @770: There aren't enough of those to justify their own section right now, but you're welcome to post an NFL fantasy blog in the fantasy section. 774. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 08.09.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "For those of you worried about your TV provider not having an agreement for FS1 on launch date, the truck race from Michigan will be re-aired on FS2 at 7 am on Sunday August 18th." For people like me who don't get fuel tv (and thus will not have FS2) and whose satellite provider also does not have a deal with FS1 yet, that's of no help whatsoever. 775. The Long Shot posted: 08.09.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Okay then. And just so you all know, this isn't going to be a fantasy blog. This will likely be a review of the past week in the NFL, with brief analyses of all 32 teams. I figure with the high amount of NFL fans on this site, we can hopefully get some good debates going. The first blog will be posted on either Tuesday or Wednesday 776. Baker posted: 08.09.2013 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sky Warrior, Knoxville Nationals >>> Any Nationwide race that has ever existed or ever will exist. Kyle Larson is going after one of the biggest crown jewels in all over dirt track racing. He darn near swept all 4 of the 4-Crown Nationals a few years back so he obviously has the talent and experience running up front to be able to win the Knoxville Nationals too. Its not like he is just a field filler. I swear everyone on here is just a dirt track hater. If I had the means of Kyle Larson and Tony Stewart even with a Cup contract I would still be slinging dirt too. Dirt is simply way more exciting and I guarantee both of them have far more fun running dirt than they do in Cup/Nationwide. Its like criticizing Kevin Van Dam for fishing in his buddies back yard instead of focusing on winning another tournament. Are we going to tell Jake Owen he cannot race go carts with Cup guys any longer because he may hurt himself even worse and have to miss a few shows? Do we tell Justin McBride to stop recording country music because it is taking away his focus from winning another PBR championship? Plain stupid. If its not putting other people in serious danger then everyone has the right to do what they enjoy most in life. 777. AveryNH posted: 08.09.2013 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ In the words of Bart Scott "CAN'T WAIT!" 778. DB1995 posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Baker, i have a question if they love dirt track racing so much, why dont they just run dirt and quit NASCAR? is it money, fame, or what? 779. Baker posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is hands down money. Guys even at the top of the top in dirt have next to no financial security. They live their lives race to race. The biggest event of the year in WoO is into its 3rd night and tomorrow night the winner will take home 150,000. In Nascar's biggest race I would venture to say 43rd place takes home almost double that amount if not at least 250,000. It is the same reason out of place guys like Dario Franchitti and Sam Hornish Jr. stuck around and struggled for so long in NASCAR because it PAID compared to the IRL. I am sure it is a huge reason why Sam Hornish continues to be an average talent just barely good enough to be a threat to win a Nationwide title rather than be a dominant IRL driver. In Tony's case he doesn't even like the fame and attention so I would surely say it is about the money at this point. At first it was the challenge, but it has to be money at this stage. 780. David posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay then. Baker seems to feel strongly about this. 781. Baker posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And just for all the haters Kyle Larson is currently leading the A-Main tonight in Knoxville. Again Knoxville Nationals are probably the biggest event in all of sprint car racing. Kid thrives on big stages. 782. murb posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:44 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I swear everyone on here is just a dirt track hater." It's not that everyone hates it (in fact, I think most will say they really enjoy it). I think what's happened is that a lot of people on here have just been a little scared ever since Jason Leffler died. I'm just as guilty of it as everyone else. Personally, I've decided that I'm just gonna stop criticizing these guys for going out and competing in those sprint cars. Who the hell am I to criticize someone for following their passion? If they want to jeopardize their Nascar careers, then that's totally fine. They know the risks involved. And Baker's right about the Knoxville Nationals being a huge deal in sprint car racing. So I really have no problem with Larson skipping out on some NNS practice to go run such a huge event. I do think it would have been better for his Nascar career to stay in Watkins Glen, but ultimately, if sprint cars are his true passion, then I'm not gonna criticize him for following that. 783. Baker posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Larson did in fact win the A main tonight. It is going to be a fun one tomorrow night, but Donny Schatz is darn near untouchable at Knoxville on money night. I will be pulling hard for Kyle Larson and Jac Haudenschild but like I said the road to victory in Knoxville runs through Donny Schatz. 784. DB1995 posted: 08.10.2013 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) in other dirt racing news Michael Mcdowell won his feature race at Black Rock Speedway in what looked to be a big block modified? (i know nothing about dirt racing) 785. AveryNH posted: 08.10.2013 - 1:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knoxville is pretty much the Daytona of dirt, eh Baker? so as a race fan I have zero problem with Larson leaving practice early to go win this incredibly prestigious event. Let's be honest. He won't win tomorrow, let alone the Nationwide championship and he pretty much has the ROTY locked up over Bowman, I'm sorry to say. Now this doesn't minimize the risk of dirt racing because we've sure as hell seen the unfortunate results of those accidents. Sometimes they can be tragic. And I really hope Kyle keeps that in the back of his mind in the future. 786. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 08.10.2013 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Call me crazy, but I think Michael McDowell will get a top ten finish this week. Of course, that's dependent on his equipment actually making it the duration. As for the FS1/FS2 debacle, I don't get FuelTV/FS2. I consider myself incompetent when it comes to cable, but do you guys think I'll get that channel once the official launch happens next week? It's odd that Comcast doesn't provide that channel, but yet they're the only cable company to have reached an agreement with FS1 thus far. 787. DB1995 posted: 08.10.2013 - 1:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In the same modified race Trevor Bayne finished 2nd Alex Bowman 3rd Bob Dillner 5th I to feel like Mcdowel will have a good race Sunday 788. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) OldSchoolNascarDude1, I discovered that last night. I was checking the channels to see if I had what will become Fox Sports 2, and I don't. What I suspect will happen is that Comcast will not have FS2 in the beginning, and will most likely pick it up down the line. I know that for some time, that was the case with ESPN2. When ESPN created ESPN2, it was not available at first (I was in San Diego and had COX Cable at the time), but eventually became available around 1996 or '97, so I think the same thing may eventually happen regarding FS2 for those like me that have Comcast. It probably won't be available at first, but will likely become available in a year or two. 789. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 10:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will say this, AveryNH. If Larson gets a good finish in the Nationwide race, he could sneak back into the Nationwide Series championship race because of the utter unpredictability of the road courses. He's currently sixth in points, 47 back, but if he has a top ten finish and something happens to Austin Dillon, he could sneak back into title contention, and the same is true regarding Justin Allgaier, who's currently seventh and three points behind Larson. And with the likelihood of the extra points for winning races practically off the table for the rest of the year, except for Kentucky and possibly Mid-Ohio, that makes finishing races even more important. That's why we won't really know the status of the Nationwide Series points race until after Mid-Ohio. Once that race ends, the Wild Card races will be done for this year, and we'll know who stands where. 790. Sean posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sky Warrior, Knoxville Nationals >>> Any Nationwide race that has ever existed or ever will exist." Agreed. "It is the same reason out of place guys like Dario Franchitti and Sam Hornish Jr. stuck around and struggled for so long in NASCAR because it PAID compared to the IRL. I am sure it is a huge reason why Sam Hornish continues to be an average talent just barely good enough to be a threat to win a Nationwide title rather than be a dominant IRL driver." Money was one key reason for Hornish, but not the only reason. IndyCar has greatly expanded the road/street course racing on the schedule since Hornish left and he wasn't a good road racer, and his primary specialty (side-by-side duels on cookie cutters) was becoming seen as dangerous. Dan Wheldon was a better road racer than Hornish and got fired by Ganassi for not being fast enough on the road courses, so Hornish might have been in some trouble at Penske if he stayed there. He's not coming back, and it's not just due to money. Dario's case is different. After he flipped his car in back-to-back races at Michigan and Kentucky in 2007 (the Kentucky flip being the stupidest thing he did in his career, since he flipped because he was still racing on the cool-down lap not realizing the race was over) Ashley Judd wanted him in safer cars, so he went to NASCAR. It became easier for him to agree to this after he won the 2007 IRL title. Signing with Ganassi gave him lots of options if he did fail in NASCAR and allowed him to slide in there when Ganassi decided to (IMO, unjustly) fire Wheldon after a 4th place, 2-win season. No question Dario is the better road racer but it is still an obnoxious thing to do. Dario also left because he was furious that Michael Andretti at the time was seemingly supporting Marco and Danica over Dario and Tony Kanaan. So yes, money played a role in those decisions certainly but I think the main deal with Sam was not wanting to get exposed as a weak road racer and the main thing with Dario was safety (and perhaps, signing with Ganassi to give himself an opportunity to improve his IndyCar status once Wheldon's contract expired). Many of the other open wheel drivers went to NASCAR because it didn't seem like they had much opportunity left in open wheel (Carpentier, Papis, Villeneuve, C. Fittipaldi, etc...) Robby Gordon left for safety reasons. Tony Stewart and JPM said they did it for the challenge. I think Danica may actually be the only driver who left for the money, 100%. "Also seeing about Jay Signore's wife's passing reminds me how at the end of each year I make a list of the 12 drivers who would deserve to run the upcoming IROC if it was still in existence. Here's how the 2014 lineup would look as of now: Representing NASCAR: 1 - Matt Kenseth (tied for most races won this season including the Southern 500) 2 - Jimmie Johnson (same amount of wins as Matt Kenseth as well as the Daytona 500 winner) 3 - Matt Crafton (most consistent Truck Series driver by far this year) Representing IndyCar: 4 - Tony Kanaan (Indianapolis 500 winner) 5 - Helio Castroneves (points leader for most of the season, as well as completing every lap so far) Representing Road Racing: 6 - Ryan Dalziel (Grand Am) 7 - Andy Lally (Grand Am) 8 - Lucas Luhr (ALMS) Representing Formula One: 9 - Sebastian Vettel (He's been absolutely dominant again this year) 10 - Nico Rosberg (Winner of two crown jewel races: Monaco and Silverstone) Representing USAC: 11 - Bryan Clauson Representing ARCA: 12 - Frank Kimmel" I'm a couple days late on this and nobody will read it. IROC had some entertaining racing, but its driver selection (and track selection) was completely warped. Minor league drivers had no business being there, and only drivers who could be argued as the best of their discipline should have been there. In other words, it was a complete joke by the time the Busch Series champion was invited in 1996, and adding the truck and ARCA champions just made it worse. No Crafton or Kimmel (and Kimmel, really? Pick somebody fresher, but don't pick anyone from ARCA at all). Additionally, there were way too many lightweights invited from the major series. Drivers like Sterling Marlin, Kyle Petty, Ken Schrader, etc... really had no business being there. They were certainly above average Cup drivers but on a global scale, they were small potatoes...and not exactly "champions". I'd say the same thing if IROC still existed and somebody like Clint Bowyer was invited today. They also frequently invited talented drivers for questionable seasons after their prime (Darrell Waltrip invited in 1997?! Al Unser invited in 1992?! Dale Earnhardt invited in 1999 after his worst season (and then he went on to win the IROC title, but I digress)?!) Inviting 5 Cup drivers was extraordinary bias towards Cup anyway, and it got yet worse when they started inviting more IRL drivers than CART drivers when it was clear that CART had the best drivers from 1996-2002, but I suppose the problem there is that so many of the CART champions instantly went to Formula One afterward (Villeneuve, Zanardi, Montoya, da Matta...) While the top five Cup drivers almost always entered, certain CART drivers usually didn't (Michael Andretti/Bobby Rahal) which also made it less credible. And if you're going to call it "international", you at least need some F1 participation too. There are probably at least 20 drivers who competed in IROC who had no business being there. I actually like your list better than most of the IROC lists from its last decade, but no truck or ARCA drivers. USAC and WoO - some people would call them both minor leagues, but I'm fine with those since they are at the top of their discipline. I also felt they weighed marquee races too heavily and should have decided things on either championship finishes or dominance over the entire season schedule. Why else would Eddie Cheever and Buddy Rice have been invited? In all fairness to Rice, he was probably more like a Steve Park (just-emerging superstar who had a badly-timed injury right before he was going to seriously break out...) I wouldn't pick drivers based on this season until the season was over obviously. But if I was attempting to do an IROC for 2013, and I could pick any drivers: Brad Keselowski/Jimmie Johnson Sebastian Vettel/Fernando Alonso Ryan Hunter-Reay/Will Power Scott Pruett/Ryan Dalziel Lucas Luhr/Klaus Graf Jamie Whincup/Gordon Shedden Kyle Larson/Donny Schatz Antron Brown/Jack Beckman Obviously, this is still a US-biased list. I recognize that IROC always (except maybe for a few years in the '70s) had a strong US bias and I know that it would be difficult to get international drivers to enter under any circumstance. I realize that nobody cares about USAC/WoO/NHRA outside the US, but this balances IROC's traditional US focus with a BIT more internationalism (without drivers like Vettel, Alonso, and Whincup, the idea of "international" would be laughable, although I realize a true international series would have a lot less US drivers and series). I chose Larson over Clauson because of his dominance. I chose 16 drivers instead of 12 to include a drag racing round. Oh yeah, I'd want to see a lot more different disciplines represented than just stock car oval racing. And the Race of Champions in Europe is closer to what I want than IROC ever was. Although IROC did have some entertaining racing, the driver selection made it uncredible. 791. Sean posted: 08.10.2013 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lot fewer* 792. Sean posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oops. Trade Gordon Shedden for Sebastien Loeb. What a massive oversight! 793. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sean, IROC actually invited more drivers than you brought up after they were "washed up". For instance, they invited Bobby Allison to compete in 1988, both A.J. Foyt and Richard Petty in 1989, Al Unser, Sr. in 1993, not 1992 as you mentioned (though at least "Big Al" proved he could still get it done if in a good car at the '92 Indianapolis 500), and Darrell Waltrip in 1997, not '96 as you said. But on the the other hand, it was the International Race of Champions, and although those racing legends were at the end of their careers, they were racing champions. Actually, I think what they did by inviting those senior champions was to honor their careers by inviting them to compete in IROC one final time. That may also have been the intention when they brought Dale, Sr. back in 1999, not knowing that he'd win the title, though I think they also wanted him to be able to compete against his son in the IROC series, as Dale, Jr. was also in the IROC series in '99. 794. SpeedWorld97 posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, I like your IROC list, but I've always felt NHRA drivers had no business being in a series that raced on ovals and road courses. IMO, the NHRA is more about equipment rather than pure driving talent. Another thing about the IROC is how in its latter years it was so heavily filled with NASCAR drivers, it was downright ridiculous. The 1999 field was full of 8 NASCAR drivers, 3 CART drivers, and one IRL driver. Meanwhile, the inaugural season in 1973 had one of the most talented lineups in the history of auto racing, with 3 NASCAR drivers, 4 USAC/IndyCar drivers, 3 SCCA drivers, and two F1 drivers. 795. cjs3872 posted: 08.10.2013 - 12:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry Sean, you DID say 1997 when Darrell Waltrip was brought back to the IROC series. My mistake there. And when Ken Schrader (1995) and Sterling Marlin (1996) ran the IROC series in the mid-90s, that was after their best seasons. Schrader finished fourth in the Cup standings in '94 and Marlin was third in '95, so both certainly belonged in the IROC series the year they ran it. But I had no problem with IROC occasionally inviting a senior champion, since they fit the fundamental requirement for being invited to the IROC series. They were champions. Of those senior champions that were invited, Al Unser, Sr. being invited in 1993 was easily the most questionable, though a part of that may have been the influence ABC probably had, since Al's brother Bobby was on the broadcast team then. 796. Sky Warrior posted: 08.10.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baker, I have nothing against dirt racing, actually. I'm just tired of seeing NASCAR drivers getting hurt and killed in other racing series. Don't know much about dirt racing to be honest. There's no dirt tracks anywhere near me anymore. So I honestly didn't know Knoxville was that important. Regardless though, I don't think things can stay as they are now. what I'd like to see is a few safety improvements instead of forcing drivers to stop running sprint cars 797. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 04.24.2014 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew 52 Brian Keselowski Toyota TBA Bob Keselowski 798. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 09.28.2015 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Stewart last competitive race before his career took a turn for the worst sadly 799. SweetRich posted: 03.11.2020 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commentators for the race were Allen Bestwick, Dale Jarrett and Andy Petree. The pit road reporters were Jerry Punch, Dave Burns, Jamie Little and Vince Welch. And in The ESPN Pit Studio were Nicole Briscoe, Rusty Wallace, Brad Daugherty and Ray Evernham. 800. Rich posted: 08.07.2020 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commentators were Allen Bestwick, Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett. The pit road reporters were Dr. Jerry Punch, Jamie Little, Dave Burns and Vince Welch. And in the quicken loans ESPN pit studio were Nicole Briscoe, Rusty Wallace, Brad Daugherty and Ray Evernham. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: