|| *Comments on the 2013 Hollywood Casino 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. murb posted: 10.04.2013 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) They said this is Harvick's first pole in seven years. I know he's never been a great qualifier, but SEVEN YEARS? Wow, I didn't realize that. 2. 18fan posted: 10.04.2013 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's only his 6th career pole in his 460th start. 3. startandparkfan posted: 10.04.2013 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) James Hylton makes his final ARCA start in a few minutes, hope he gets a decent run! Frank Kimmel will be crowned the champion for the 10TH TIME! Should be a good race! 4. Kenny posted: 10.04.2013 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I can not beleave this harvics first pole in 7 years holy shit 5. Daniel posted: 10.04.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Gordon! 6. Allen posted: 10.04.2013 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) RCRs first pole since 2007. 7. JG24FanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) I'm late on the greatest Cup drivers list that people were making on the last race's page. Here's my Top 15 greatest Cup drivers: -1. David Pearson -2. Jeff Gordon -3. Dale Earnhardt -4. Richard Petty -5. Bobby Allison -6. Jimmie Johnson -7. Tim Flock -8. Herb Thomas -9. Darrell Waltrip 10. Cale Yarborough 11. Junior Johnson 12. Tony Stewart 13. Lee Petty 14. Rusty Wallace 15. Ned Jarrett 8. Spen posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I missed out on posting the "top drivers who never won a title", but my list is almost identical to Sean's. 1. Fireball Roberts 2. Junior Johnson 3. Fred Lorenzen 4. Mark Martin 5. Curtis Turner 6. Jim Paschal 7. Harry Gant 8. Marvin Panch 9. Fonty Flock 10. Tim Richmond Honorable mentions: Dick Hutcherson, Dick Rathman, Ricky Rudd, Ernie Irvan, Davey Allison. 9. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Ugh, how many best driver lists are we gonna make and argue over? Let's make fun lists. Here are my Top 10 favorite internet memes: 1) Grumpy Cat 2) The Dos Equis Guy 3) Spiderman 4) Bad Luck Brian 5) Fry from Futurama 6) Captain Picard 7) Willie Wonka 8) Lumbergh from Office Space 9) Batman slapping Robin 10) Sweet Brown 10. JG24FanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ugh, how many best driver lists are we gonna make and argue over? Let's make fun lists. Here are my Top 10 favorite internet memes:" top 15 favorite comic book characters: -1. Saint of Killers -2. Jesse Custer -3. Storm Shadow -4. Ra's Al Ghul -5. Johnny Bates -6. William Butcher -7. Deadpool -8. Wolverine -9. Snake Eyes 10. Venom 11. Tulip 12. James Stillwell 13. Stryfe 14. Black Noir 15. Miracleman 11. DB1995 posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) my top 10 favorite bands: 1. AC/DC 2. Boston 3. The Who 4. Ted Nugent 5. Quiet Riot 6. Queen 7. Edgar Winter Group 8. The Band Perry 9. Van Halen 10. KISS (not really in any order past the first 2) BTW, this has nothing to do with anything 12. JG24FanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 50 favorite video games: -1. Majora's Mask -2. Resident Evil (Playstation/Saturn) -3. Final Fantasy III (SNES) -4. Final Fantasy VII -5. Dino Crisis 2 -6. Resident Evil 2 -7. Super Metroid -8. Silent Hill -9. Twilight Princess 10. Yoshi's Island 11. Ocarina of Time 12. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis 13. Chrono Cross 14. A Link to the Past 15. Symphony of the Night 16. Resident Evil remake 17. Super Mario RPG 18. The Wind Waker 19. The Legend of Zelda 20. Resident Evil 4 21. Super Mario All-stars 22. Skyward Sword 23. Super Mario Bros. 3 24. Resident Evil Zero 25. Adventures of Link 26. Dirt to Daytona 27. Castlevania Bloodlines 28. Silent Hill 2 29. Dino Crisis 30. Super Mario Bros. 31. Goldeneye 007 32. Mortal Kombat 33. F-Zero 34. Metal Gear Solid 35. Sons of Liberty 36. Gran Turismo 4 37. Street Fighter Alpha 3 38. Mortal Kombat II 39. Mortal Kombat: Deception 40. Metroid 41. EarthBound 42. Chrono Trigger 43. Sonic 3 and Knuckles 44. Super Punch-out!! 45. Formula 1 46. Mortal Kombat Trilogy 47. Destruction Derby 2 48. Destruction Derby 49. Need For Speed: High Stakes 50. GTA: Liberty City Stories 13. 83andJoe posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) > Batman slapping Robin "MY RACE CAR IS CRAAAAAAAAAASHED!" 14. DB1995 posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah Heck, i'll throw in my top 10 movie list to 1. Smokey and the Bandit 2. Christine 3. Footloose (either version, i like the newer one better) 4. Rock Of Ages (Julianne Hough is HOT!!!) 5. Phantom of the Opera (with Gerard Butler, and Emmy Rossum) 6. Halloween (original only) 7. Maximum Overdrive 8. Ace Ventura:Pet Detective 9. Gone in 60 seconds (original, not that Angelina Jolie Bullshit) 10. Me, Myself, and Irene once again not a specific order except 1&2 also i could make an entire list of Jim Carrey movies, as with AC/DC songs, Boston Songs, and Van Halen Songs 15. JG24FanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 15 favorite racing drivers(at this moment.): -1. Jeff Gordon -2. David Pearson -3. John Force -4. Curtis Turner -5. Kyle Petty -6. Tim Flock -7. Fernando Alonso -8. Bobby Allison -9. Richard Petty 10. Dale Earnhardt 11. Jimmie Johnson 12. Jim Clark 13. Jackie Stewart 14. Don Garlits 15. Pastor Maldonado 16. HappyHarvick47 posted: 10.04.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I thought it was a joke on Twitter that Harvick had the pole. He usually does well from the pole so let's hope he can make it a 4 car championship battle. 17. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 7 favorite Video games *Currently* 1. Resident Evil: Code Veronica 2. Shadow the Hedgehog 3. Sonic Adventure 2 4. Nascar 2005 Chase for the Cup 5. Resident Evil 4 6. Resident Evil Remake *2002* 7. Test Drive Le Mans Congrats on Harvick for taking the pole. First in 7 years, what a hard stat to swallow. 18. JG24FanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For John Force lovers: He just tied Matt Hagan for the point lead when he Qualified number one with JFR's first ever three second run at 3.987, and it's also Force's 144th Pole, if it holds up after tomorrow's final Qualifying sessions. John Force, to me, IS the ultimate racer in motor-sports history. 19. jabber1990 posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't like to list or label things, I can't even come up with a list of my favorite things, I could make a list of some of my stories. but y'all've asked me to not talk about my stories on here so I won't do it, unless you really want me to, its kinda relevant, we're all making lists 20. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DANG it! Someone else already made a top # of games list. Gotta think of something good... Top 10 Daytona 500 Finishes - Personal opinion 1. 1976 Daytona 500 2. 1959 Daytona 500 3. 1979 Daytona 500 4. 2007 Daytona 500 5. 1988 Daytona 500 6. 1991 Daytona 500 *Tie for 6th* 7. 1993 Daytona 500 *Tie for 6th* 8. 1989 Daytona 500 9. 2008 Daytona 500 10. 1998 Daytona 500 *I put it this low because it's only redeeming factor is that Earnhardt won it in his 20th attempt and the race's 40th running* Now you all can call me insane! 21. David posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Top 50 favorite video games:" Top...uh...ten favorite video games: 1. Mario Kart Wii 2. NASCAR The Game: Inside Line (Xbox 360) 3. Star Wars Battlefront II (PS2) 4. MLB 2K7 (PS2) 5. NASCAR 08 (PS2) 6. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (Wii) 7. Wii Sports 8. Wii Play 9. Guitar Hero (I, II, or III for PS2) And, regrettably... 10. Madden NFL 10 (Wii) 22. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Quick Question: With all the heavy rain we've been getting here, and it's pouring as I speak, will they be throwing a competition caution for the cup event? If so, what lap? I'm asking because the forecast, last I checked, said that the rain would stop int he morning, and Final Practice aka Happy Hour is after that point, so the track shouldn't be exactly 'green'. 23. David posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) "I can't even come up with a list of my favorite things" If you can't, always default to this: 1. Raindrops on roses 2. Whiskers on kittens 3. Bright copper kettles 4. Warm woolen mittens 5. Brown paper packages tied up with strings 6. Cream colored ponies 7. Crisp apple streudels 8. Doorbells 9. Sleighbells 10. Schnitzel with noodles 11. Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings 12. Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes 13. Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes 14. Silver white winters that melt into springs 24. JG24FanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I can't even come up with a list of my favorite things" Top 12 favorite things(not counting food or sex.): -1. Snow -2. Rain -3. Night Time -4. Cats -5. Go-Kart racing -6. Sleep -7. Motorsports -8. Long walks -9. Dusk 10. Saturdays 11. The Ocean 12. The Woods 25. JG24FanForever posted: 10.04.2013 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Top 12 favorite things(not counting food or sex.): Not counting music either. 26. cjs3872 posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @20, there are a couple you didn't mention that I would put on that list of fantastic Daytona 500 finishes. The first one would be the 1969 race, when LeeRoy Yarbrough became the first man to win that race with a last lap pass, passing Charlie Glotzbach in turns three and four on the final lap. And of course, either or both of Cale Yarborough's wins in 1983 and '84, each of which was accomplished with a last lap pass, could easily be on that list. And when you consider that all four lead lap positions changed hands in 1983 and five of six changed hands in '84 (fourth was the only one that didn't change hands in '84) has to make those among the most dramatic in race history. Then there's the finish of the 1990 race with Earnhardt's flat tire, the runs to the checkers in both 1968 and 1970, and even the Earnhardt-Gordon duel in 1999. I think any of those were more dramatic than those on your list, especially the two that ended under caution (1991 and 1998). I'm not sure I would disagree with your top four, but some of those others in your top ten were not what I call great finishes (1993 definitely was, as every position in the top five changed hands on the final lap). 27. The Long Shot posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 5 Favorite Video Games: 1. Mario Kart Wii (the only video game I play on a regular basis) 2. Beatles RockBand (Wii) 3. Wii Sports Resort 4. NASCAR The Game: Inside Line (PS3) 5. Madden NFL 11 (PS3) Top 5 Favorite Songs: 1. Lay Down Burden (Brian Wilson) 2. 'Til I Die (Beach Boys) 3. In My Life (Beatles) 4. Brave (Josh Groban) 5. Star Wars Theme (John Williams) 28. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would have included LeeRoy's finish, but I couldn't remember what year it was. for some reason I kept thinking it was 67, but that ws Mario's victory, wasn't it? Still, LeeRoy's would have definately made at least top 7 for my list if I remembered the date Sadly, I overlooked '83 and '84. There's no excuse on my part for missing that, save for plain stupidity. Especially considering I normally call the one in '84 in my top 5 1990 could have made it if the 500 hadn't had so many other storied finishes. I would have put it 14th or 15th probably. Actually, now that I do know the date for LeeRoy's victory and Yarbrough's back-to-back 500's, The list will be revised more properly. Revised and Corrected Top 13 Daytona 500 Finish list - Personal Opinion With info remembered 1. 1976 Daytona 500 2. 1959 Daytona 500 3. 1979 Daytona 500 4. 2007 Daytona 500 5. 1984 Daytona 500 6. 1988 Daytona 500 7. 1969 Daytona 500 8. 1983 Daytona 500 *Three way tie for 8th* 9. 1991 Daytona 500 *Three Way tie for 8th* 10. 1993 Daytona 500 *Three Way tie for 8th* 11. 1989 Daytona 500 12. 1999 Daytona 500 *Tie for 12th* 13. 2008 Daytona 500 *Tie for 12th* Talking about revised list: Reason that I put the top 4 where they are is quite obvious. Super-classic finishes, no matter how you spin it. 5th is for Cale winning his 4th, Which, if memory serves right, is STILL the second most Daytona 500 victories behind King Richard Petty. 6th, it's just 'heart-warming'. And I'm not a super-emotional man, but that finish gets me almost every time. Also, having Dale Sr back there, almost forced to watch it unfold as he rides frustratingly in 3rd, makes the event insane, having three of the best drivers of that time 1-2-3, and father son 1-2. Like I said earlier, I would have included '69 If I had only remembered the year. The reason is obvious. Few other Stock-Car large-speedway finishes, at that time, could be counted as more nail-bitting. '83 and '93 are there for super obvious reasons, the most intense passing I've seen in Daytona 500 history in those events. '91 is simply because of the insanity. All 3 leaders crash, Davey goes flipping for his second time against the infield barrier, Earndhart recovers to finish 4th, and Kyle Petty's marvelous hair all on fire. Not to mention that while the laps count down under caution, Swervin Irvan has to hope and pray that he can hold onto his lead while his fuel burns up lap by lap. Probably the most nail-bitting fuel finish I ever saw when watching that for the first time, as I had not yet know who would win the event. '89. I'm a sucker for fuel mileage events. I'd say this is more noteworthy then Dale Sr's, because Waltrip's luck at Daytona was almost always sh1tty. 1983 anyone? So for him to suddenly conquer the race over his then teammate, it says plenty! '99 I meant to put that in my first list, but somehow I forgot about it. 2008 was insane, going on the backstretch as everyone in the top 3 just shuffles position like it was choreographed in the strangest way possible. 1997, my favorite Daytona 500 as a whole, would have ranked just behind the but end. It would have been given a definite spot in the top 10 at least had it not finished under caution. But as a race as a whole, that still ties with the 1993 Winston 500 and 1993 Bud at the Glen as favorite race *As in, the entire race* 29. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Hooray for random lists! Top 5 Clint Eastwood Westerns: 1) The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly 2) The Outlaw Josey Wales 3) The Unforgiven 4) Two Mules For Sister Sara 5) High Plains Drifter Top 5 Dirty Harry movies: 1) Dirty Harry 2) Sudden Impact 3) Magnum Force 4) The Deadpool 5) The Enforcer Top 5 Charlton Heston movies: 1) Planet of the Apes 2) Ben Hur 3) The Ten Commandments 4) El Cid 5) The Omega Man Top 5 Metallica albums 1) Master of Puppets 2) Ride The Lightning 3) Death Magnetic 4) The Black Album 5) And Justice For All Top 10 people synonymous with regular season brilliance and post season failures (reverse order): 10) Dan Marino 9) Karl Malone 8) Alex Rodriguez* 7) Steve Young 6) Bobby Cox (pains me, I love that guy) 5) Brett Favre 4) Peyton Manning 3) Marty 2) Schotten 1) Heimer *I know he has always been on Roids, but I'm sure he juiced just as much in the regular season as in the post season. Too bad for him there are no "Don't Shit The Bed" injections. Top 5 Clutch performers: 1) Joe Montana 2) Michael Jordan 3) Dale Earnhardt 4) Bill Russell 5) John Elway 6) Bob Gibson 7) John Smoltz (too bad he couldn't start every Braves post season game) 8) Curt Schilling 9) Derek Jeter 10) Lawrence Taylor 30. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Top 10 clutch performers 31. JG24FanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "*Top 10 clutch performers" John Force should be number one, DSFF. No Babe Ruth?!? Mickey Mantle?? 32. JG24FanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Top 5 Metallica albums 1) Master of Puppets 2) Ride The Lightning 3) Death Magnetic 4) The Black Album 5) And Justice For All" My Top 5 favorite Metallica albums list: 1. Ride the Lightning 2. Master of Puppets 3. The Black Album 4. And Justice for All 5. I don't care for any others. 33. JG24FanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 12 favorite Sports cards: -1. 1987 World of outlaws, Jeff Gordon -2. 1991 Traks, Jeff Gordon -3. 1992 Traks Autograph, Jeff Gordon -4. 1992 Topps Traded, Nomar Garciaparra -5. 1989 Upper Deck, Ken Griffey Jr. -6. 1991 Pro Set, John Force -7. 1995 Select Certified, Terrell Davis -8. 1992 Traks Autograph, Kyle Petty -9. 1995 Bowmans Best, Vladimir Guerrero 10. 1958 Topps, Jim Brown 11. 1985 Topps, Mark Mcgwire 12. 1951 Bowman, Mickey Mantle 34. murb posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 5 Video Games -1. Super Smash Bros Melee -2. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (the original one) -3. WWF Smackdown! (the first one on PS1) -4. GTA San Andreas -5. Nascar Thunder 2004 Top 12 Favorite Things (stolen from JG24FF) -1. Music -2. Rain (I like snow too, but I live in Idaho so it gets sickening when it's on the ground for 4 1/2 months) -3. Playing music -4. Graphic Arts -5. Watching racing -6. Dogs -7. Documentaries -8. Stand up comedy -9. Spending hours on YouTube watching fail/prank videos -10. Cats -11. NBA Basketball (although right now as a Laker fan it's tough because of their incompetent owner constantly Brian France-ing it up) -12. Little kids who do everything hilariously 35. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll do one more list, then call it a night. Top 5 Most-Noteworthy Crashes of the early 90's: 1991-1995 5. Davey Allison Blowover - 1992 Miller Genuine Draft 500 4. Mark Martin Crashes into the infield/First Big One - 1994 Winston 500 3. Neil Bonnet blowover into the fence - 1993 Die Hard 500 2. Mark Martin Airborne/The Big One - 1991 Winston 500 1. Rusty Wallace Blowover - 1993 Winston 500 ...weird how four of those five are at Talladega... 36. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The thing with Ruth and Mantle is how stacked those teams were they were on on their respective eras. Jeter on the other hand, for his first 4 titles, had great team players, but no real superstars. 37. JG24FanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jeter on the other hand, for his first 4 titles, had great team players, but no real superstars." I would count Rivera and Bernie Williams as superstars. 38. David posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Only one person got my Sound of Music reference? Come on, people. On a related note, here are my favorite animated Disney movies: T-1. The Little Mermaid (yes, really) T-1. The Aristocats 3. The Lion King 4. Cars 5. Mulan 6. Ratatouille 7. Up 8. Cars 2 9. Toy Story 10. Toy Story 3 39. murb posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Dammit guys, now I have to do a Metallica one. Top 5 Metallica Albums -1. Kill 'Em All -2. Death Magnetic -3. Ride The Lightning -4. Master Of Puppets -5. Black Album And as a response to DB1995's comment earlier... Top 5 AC/DC Songs -1. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap -2. Hells Bells -3. TNT -4. Big Balls -5. Shoot To Thrill And just to keep it somewhat racing related... Top 5 Failed Nascar Predictions Made By Me (With The Coinciding Year Next To It) -1. Shane Hmiel is going to be a superstar (2004) -2. Ryan Newman will be a multiple time Cup champion (2003) -3. JUAN PABLO MONTOYA will challenge for the championship this year (Any race in the 2009 Chase that was before Charlotte) -4. Brad Keselowski will follow up his championship with a bit of a hangover, but still a nice top five points finish (last offseason) -5. Kurt Busch will leave Nascar and go run full time NHRA (When Kurt got fired from Penske) I also predicted last year that Nelson Piquet is talented enough to be a Cup champion, so look for that one to join my list in the coming years. 40. RaceFanX posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:55 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) Stay on topic to racing guys... 41. 83andJoe posted: 10.05.2013 - 2:03 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Stay on topic...stay on topic..." 42. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 2:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I should have included Ruth. He won World Series with clutch pitching performamces with the Red Sox and then with some clutch hitting with The Yanks. That means a lot to me. Take Montana for the example. If I'm not mistaken, he was he only player on all 4 of those Niners teams that won Super Bowls. And I'm pretty sure he was the only player on both the '81 team that had that crucial drive leading to The Catch against Dallas and The Drive in the '88 Super Bowl. Also, 12 years after The Catch he was the QB of back to back clutch 4th quarter come from behind playoff wins with the Chiefs and Marty Freaking Schottenheimer. On two different teams, 4 years apart ('89 and '93) he had famous 4th quarter pilfering of defenses led by the famed Buddy Ryan. Jordan had his great 63 point game in the playoffs against the '86 Celtics (one of the best teams ever) in the Boston Garden (in the middle of a TWELVE month stretch where the Celts lost ONCE in that building). The Bulls lost, but as the 8 seed playing the 1 seed that is a clutch performance. 12 years later, after far too many clutch playoff performances to count, Jordon won his 6th championship with The Shot in '98. He was the only player on both teams. And Earnhardt won the '80 Winston Cup with the unraveling ragtag Osterlund group by holding off legends like Cale, Richard, Benny, and Bobby. 14 years later on a different team, he won his record tying 7th title running off from an entirely different field of contenders (Rusty, Mark, Terry, Rudd, Bill). And 20 years after his first title, he finished 2nd behind Bobby, but beat the rest of the new guard of the day (Burton, Mark, DJ, Stewart, Gordon). At age 49 after 3 years of battling injuries. Clutch. Oh, you want failed predictions? I'll never forget '93 thinking "this little Gordon guy is gonna bankrupt Hendrick, he ain't going anywhere". 43. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 2:24 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) Stay on topic to racing guys... What the hell are we gonna talk about? Yet another looming JJ championship and the ratings Armageddon it will bring? Yet another aero/pit strategy race? Should we spend yet another week arguing about Gordon's historical standing? 44. b4il3y posted: 10.05.2013 - 2:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *sneaks in* Stenhouse with a good qualifying run. *sneaks out, letting the top-x guys keeping up the thing* 45. b4il3y posted: 10.05.2013 - 2:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) 41 Joe: I see what you did there :) 46. joey2448 posted: 10.05.2013 - 4:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) The more we go along, the more impressed I am by Justin Allgaier. A year ago, I wouldn't have thought his career would be going anywhere. But now, I think this kid may have a legit future in Cup. He seems to be an old-school hard charger, kinda like Kurt Busch back in the early '00s (before he completely started to lose it). I hope someone with good equipment gives him a chance. Who here thinks Joonyer is in the midst of a rally? After blowing the engine at Chicago, everyone was saying he is done (and to be honest, I don't think he has a shot at the title this year), but he has been looking pretty good three weeks in a row...eh? Sixth at Loudon, pole and runner-up at Dover, and now sixth-place qual at Kansas... 47. cjs3872 posted: 10.05.2013 - 5:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @28, the three leaders did not crash in that incident near the end of the 1991 race. Ernie Irvan actually took the lead from Dale Earnhardt with seven laps to go and Earnhardt and Davey Allison were battling for second and a chance to run down Irvan when Earnhardt lost control, taking Allison with him. Kyle Petty only had high gear (which was why he dropped back on restarts) and was running about sixth when that accident occurred. Sterling Marlin and Joe Ruttman were in front of him and avoided that wreck. Actually, as far as I know, the only two times in Daytona 500 history that the first three cars crashed, the race was won by an Allison. The first was the 1978 race, when Richard Petty blew a tire when the track was tearing up in turn three and took David Pearson and Darrell Waltrip with him, and the other time was when Irvan, Marlin, and Bill Elliott ignited a 15-car crash while running 1-2-3. Bobby Allison won the race in '78 while his son Davey won it in '92. 48. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.05.2013 - 7:08 am Rate this comment: (4) (3) Thank you, James Hylton, for giving us the chance to see you race. Enjoy your retirement, and I hope to see your #48 in victory lane at an ARCA race next season. 49. Smiff_2 posted: 10.05.2013 - 9:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) For you Metallica guys....where's the love for Kill 'Em All? lol Although Death Magnetic was a KICKASS album, no Top 5 Metallica album list is quite 'proper' if it ranks DM over their THRASHTASTIC debut album AJFA *MY* Metallica Top 5 would be in *this* order: 1) Master of Puppets 2) ...And Justice For All 3-Tie) Ride The Lightning Kill 'Em All 5) The Black Album A lot of people may think I'm weird for thinking AJFA was better than a couple of the Cliff Burton-era albums, but seriously; that album is one gigantic onslaught of continuously NASTY guitar work. It was an angry album, due to the fact that it was their first since Cliff died and they were still very emotionally scarred over it (and justifiably so). The fact that they were able to come back and deliver THAT?! Amazing... 50. Smiff_2 posted: 10.05.2013 - 9:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yes, Murb, I saw *you* had KEA on there....lol 51. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.05.2013 - 9:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Yet another looming JJ championship and the ratings Armageddon it will bring?" Armageddon's not looking so scary after all, ratings at Dover are UP 9% and viewership is UP 11% from last year. 52. The Long Shot posted: 10.05.2013 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Stay on topic to racing guys... What the hell are we gonna talk about? Yet another looming JJ championship and the ratings Armageddon it will bring? Yet another aero/pit strategy race? Should we spend yet another week arguing about Gordon's historical standing?" ^ This. Believe it or not, there are actually occurrences when we get tired of talking about racing. To be honest, our non-related racing conversations are some of my favorite ones. "Only one person got my Sound of Music reference? Come on, people." Poor, deprived children. Top 12 Favorite Things (courtesy of JG24FF and murb): 1. Listening to music 2. Playing music 3. Hanging out with friends (it's not like I have too many, but when I do hang out with them, it's always memorable) 4. Playing sports (I don't play on any teams, but I LOVE playing sandlot-style football, basketball, or Ultimate Frisbee) 5. Singing (or caterwauling, depending on your definition) 6. Watching racing (if the NASCAR season had been better, it would be higher on my list) 7. NFL 8. Karate 9. Playing Mario Kart Wii online 10. Acting 11. Audio recording and mixing 12. Fantasy sports ---------------------------------------- 4087. Watching the Minnesota Vikings play football (*sobs*) 53. cjs3872 posted: 10.05.2013 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) By the way, it looks like Kyle Busch may have gotten closer to taking himself out of contention, as his Kansas demons have struck again, as he crashed in the opening minute of practice and will have to go to a backup car, which will result in him starting in the rear of the field. If he can't recover from this, it may be don to a 2-way battle for the championship between Kenseth and Johnson, which I think Johnson will win because I'm still not convinced that the Toyota engines will be reliable enough to carry one of their teams to the title. That was the basis behind my picking Johnson before the Chase started, because I thought that the Gibbs cars would outperform Johnson, but each would have one, and perhaps two engine problems that would knock them out of contention. So I think we may be starting to see the beginning of problems for JGR. And let's not forget that there are two 500-mile races on unrestricted tracks (Charlotte and Texas), plus Martinsville, which count up to three big hurdles for the JGR teams to overcome, because I think JGR will have engine problems in at least one of those races, and the JGR drivers in contention for the title generally struggle at Martinsville. If Johnson wins at Martinsville (or at least soundly beats the JGR guys), finishes in the top 5 in most of the other non-RP races, and stays out of the wrecks at Talladega, the title will probably be his this year, with no other competition to worry about other than the JGR cars, as fourth place is already about one full race behind in points. 54. The Long Shot posted: 10.05.2013 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Armageddon's not looking so scary after all, ratings at Dover are UP 9% and viewership is UP 11% from last year." I think we might, just might, have "Cheat" Bowyer and "DaniCan'tStayOnTheLeadLap" Patrick to thank for that. 55. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.05.2013 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's looking like it might be a breakthrough weekend for Stenhouse. Outside pole and fastest in happy hour. Remember, he actually had a decent run going here back in April and at one point looked poised to win, but pit strategy and cautions didn't fall his way. Also, keep in mind that the No. 17 Roush Fenway Racing Ford won this race last year. 56. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also, Danica had a pretty good happy hour finishing 13th overall. 57. Schroeder51 posted: 10.05.2013 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Busch crashes again at Kansas...why am I not surprised? He definitely doesn't have this place figured out. If there's any track that would take him out of the championship hunt, it'd be Kansas for sure. If he wrecks in the race as well, that would be 3 straight DNFs due to an accident at this track. 58. DB1995 posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Top 5 AC/DC songs 1. If you want Blood ( youve got it) 2. Its a long way to the top (if you wanna rock&roll) 3. Whole Lotta Rosie 4. Jailbreak 5. Thats the way i wanna Rock&Roll You can obviously tell i like Bon Scott AC/DC better than Brian Johnson, but they both rock 59. Eric posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Zackary Shawn, Happy hour didn't start yet for cup. Danica's practice time was for the 2 practice of the race weekend and it was for the first cup practice out of the 2 practices today. Happy hours starts at 1:50 p.m. eastern time. 60. 18fan posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jimmie seems to have a crazy ability to avoid the Big One in the Chase race at Talladega (except last year when only 3 cars made it through). "the JGR drivers in contention for the title generally struggle at Martinsville." Kyle has 5 top 5s in the last 8 races at Martinsville and in the other 3 he was taken out in a crash not of his own doing twice and once had a some kind of failure that caused him to crash. 61. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I love the Kill Em All songs..... when played live. On the album they are kinda flat. Don't get me wrong, I still like listening to them, and ALL songs are better live. And the Justice album is great, but the bass thing kinda bugs me. That is my knock against Metallica, they have never mixed the bass high enough. Even when they had the greatest bass player ever, Cliff Burton, James and Lars mixed it too low. I love going to YouTube and listening to songs from RTL and MOP with enhanced bass mixes. I turn it up and let my teeth get rattled out by The Major Rager On The Four String Mother****er himself. It is awesome. 62. Anonymous posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Still was a good practice for her, she was competitive, and it wasnt because she was the only one in qualifying trim 63. Eric posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) cjs3872, You shouldn't claiming Kyle busch Struggles at Martinsville because Kyle has 8 top 5's there in 17 starts. That means Kyle finishes in the top 5 there 47 percent of the time. Kyle also has 9 top 10's at Martinsville in 17 cup starts. That doesn't sound like a cup driver that struggles at Martinsville to me. That means Kyle actually is a good, not great Martinsville driver. You also need to throw out most of Matt Kenseth's Martinsville results out the window because he drove for Roush. You and I know that Martinsville is never one of Roush's strongest tracks and Roush has gotten worse there since the chase era because Roush is more focused mile and half tracks. You can even claim Roush's lack of focus at Martinsville cost Carl Edwards the 2011 cup championship because Carl was luck to finish 9th in that race. 64. Eric posted: 10.05.2013 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) JGR is known for their short track program unlike Roush. The fact is since Matt won at Loudon at JGR, can we really know how good Matt could be at Martinsville. The fact is Matt lead 96 laps at Martinsville in the spring and that is more than Matt Led at Martinsville for Roush. While Kyle doesn't have a cup win at Martinsville, any driver that has 8 top 5's in 17 starts at that track is a good record. JGR's true trouble tracks could be Charlotte, Texas, and Talladega. Kyle usually has problems at Talladega despite his there. Matt is better than Kyle there, but that place is a crap shoot. What happened at Atlanta for Bowyer and Hamlin shows TRD could have problems at the sister tracks for engines. 65. murb posted: 10.05.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "And the Justice album is great, but the bass thing kinda bugs me. That is my knock against Metallica, they have never mixed the bass high enough. Even when they had the greatest bass player ever, Cliff Burton, James and Lars mixed it too low." This is how I feel too. The guitar work on that album is insane, but you just can't hear the bass. Maybe that's just the bass player in me though. I always like to have bass mixed pretty high just to have it really carry the song. And I think Kill 'Em All is my favorite just because it has my favorite Metallica songs on it. "Seek and Destroy" would probably be my favorite all time song by them, but I also really love the deeper cuts on that album like Four Horsemen and the instrumental Anesthesia. "11. Audio recording and mixing" Probably should have had this on mine too, since I pretty much produce and mix almost all of my own music that I put out. I made this small little record this past Summer where I did literally everything myself, and the mixing was the funnest part of it all. And as for the "keep it to racing" stuff, you must not have been reading the past week and a half where we've had some of the best debates ever on this site about driver rankings, old school drivers vs new school drivers, and that type of thing. We've talked racing into the ground for the past few days with some great discussions, so now it's fun to go off on something else for a change. 66. The Long Shot posted: 10.05.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Probably should have had this on mine too, since I pretty much produce and mix almost all of my own music that I put out. I made this small little record this past Summer where I did literally everything myself, and the mixing was the funnest part of it all." Indeed. I would have been in charge of producing CDs of my band's concerts, but copyright and licensing issues ended that little dream (seriously, I would have had to pay $90 for the ability to put 1 freaking song on the CD). Nevertheless, I would love to make a career out of music producing. I have the necessary equipment (microphone, DAW, etc.). Now I just need something to actually record. 67. David posted: 10.05.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I would love to make a career out of music producing. I have the necessary equipment (microphone, DAW, etc.). Now I just need something to actually record." If I ever make it in the singing/songwriting business (not that I'm actually considering that right now), you're my man. 68. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.05.2013 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Orion is an unbelievable song. I like to listen to Metallica every now and again( I used to a LOT more), but the thing is if I listen to them too much it kind of has a negative effect on my mood. But in moderation, they are to me among the most kick-ass bands ever along with Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd(and of course even though they are a lot different kind of music I obviously like Blues Traveler).I can listen to most anything except most of this new age music they have today. 69. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 10.05.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'll wing it this one. Here's my Top 5: TV Show Characters: 5. Winslow (CatDog) 4. John Herbert (Family Guy) 3. Early Cuyler (Squidbillies) T1. Bugs Bunny (Lonney Tunes ONLY! Not the current show.) T1. Dan Halen (Squidbillies) 70. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.05.2013 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) My top 10 drivers Dale Earnhardt Richard Petty Jeff Gordon David Pearson Jimmie Johnson Bobby Allison Darrell Waltrip Cale Yarborough Lee Petty Junior Johnson I will be posting a blog on the F1 calender in the next few days. If kyle busch gets out of Kansas with a top 10 tomorrow he can win the title 71. The Long Shot posted: 10.05.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ah, what the heck. Here are my top 10 NASCAR drivers of all-time: 1. Dale Earnhardt 2. Richard Petty 3. David Pearson 4. Jeff Gordon 5. Lee Petty 6. Cale Yarborough 7. Darrell Waltrip 8. Herb Thomas 9. Bobby Allison 10. Jimmie Johnson 72. David posted: 10.05.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) How dare you go back to talking about racing! Favorite Things (in no particular order AT ALL) - Racing - Jam sessions on the piano with my classmates singing along - Going for a walk in the great outdoors - Snow - Clive Cussler novels - Singing (like a boss) - Speedwalking - Geocaching (I don't do it very often, though) - Being a beast on the piano - Cold weather - Numbers - Precipitation - Reading a good book - Winter - Playing trumpet - Reciting digits of pi - MUSIC! - Producing weird sound effects - Thinking - Acting - What Long Shot had for #3 - Playing my aforementioned favorite video games - Being a nerd - Watching old TV shows and movies - My religion - Pets - Sleeping in the tent every so often - Being in the school musical (it's The Little Mermaid Jr. this year, guess who I am) - Baking cookies - Coding (inspired by The Great HTML Incident of 2013) - Reading the encyclopedia - Speaking in foreign accents - Quoting aforementioned movies and TV shows (especially when no one else knows what I'm talking about) - This site - Racing 73. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.05.2013 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) LOL. All these top 10 lists are proof that we're finding this Chase and/or Kansas to be a SNORE. Spice things up...use the Kansas roval. Geez, is it me or did that thing turn out to be a white elephant? USCR wants nothing to do with it next year (though they did for the biggest white elephant of them all...Indy's roval. I'd rather this be like last year's schedule, we could be talking about Talladega right now, wondering if we'll see another underdog win and wishing (insert driver/Jimmie Johnson here)gets collected in the big one. ah what the heck, I'll give my personal Top ten driver all-time list , not much different...well, maybe I'll surprise a few of you. 1) Dale Earnhardt 2) David Pearson 3) Richard Petty 4) Jeff Gordon 5) Bobby Allison 6) Cale Yarborough 7) Darrell Waltrip 8) Joe Weatherly 9) Bill Elliot 10) Jimmie Johnson 74. David posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) *sound of DSFF whooping and yelling as he reads the three lists that have Dale Earnhardt ranked #1* I'm a little surprised by the presence of Joe Weatherly and Bill Elliott on your top ten list. Any particular reason? 75. Michael Waltrip is the greatest posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (6) (2) top 10 Greatest NASCAR drivers ever! 1.) Michael Waltrip 2.) Danica Patrick 3.) Hideo Fukuyama 4.) Buckshot Jones 5.) Christian Fittipaldi 6.) Amber Cope 7.) Jennifer Jo Cobb 8.) Paulie Harraka 9.) John Wes Townley 10.) Steven Wallace 76. The Long Shot posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ I'm going to take an absolutely WILD guess and say that this guy is a troll. 77. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) #75 Kevin Conway didn't make your list...? 78. David posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm going to take an absolutely WILD guess and say that this guy is a troll." Correct. Notice how most of the comments have been thumbed-down. 79. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In "Michael Waltrip Racing has committed organizational suicide" news, crew chief Chad Johnston will leave the team at the end of this season. Hopefully Truex will follow him. Those guys have built a nice unit on that 56 team, only to be screwed over by their numbnuts team owner. 80. Michael Waltrip is the greatest posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 10 Cup owners ever! 1.)Michael Waltrip 2.)George Gillett 3.)Jim Stacy 4.)Bobby Ginn 5.)Dietrich Mateschitz and Chaleo Yoovidhya 6.)Carl Kiekhaefer 7.)Rod Osterlund 8.) Bill Gardner 9.)Phil Parsons 10.) Gene Haas 81. TS1420 posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top Ten Personal Favorite Active Drivers: 1 - Tony Stewart (maybe considered inactive for right now ;) ) 2 - Kevin Harvick 3 - Kyle Busch 4 - Kasey Kahne 5 - Carl Edwards 6 - Ryan Newman 7 - Kurt Busch 8 - Bobby Labonte 9 - Jamie McMurray 10 - Jeff Burton Top Ten Personal Favorite Drivers All-Time: 1 - Tony Stewart 2 - Sterling Marlin 3 - Richard Petty 4 - Kevin Harvick 5 - Kyle Busch 6 - Bobby Allison 7 - Davey Allison 8 - Bill Elliott 9 - Kasey Kahne 10 - Dale Jarrett 82. DB1995 posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) what i think might have started today in the NNS race: Kyle Busch's quest to ultimately throw away another cup championship, this time by wrecking someone who you know will get payback eventually, who also has A LOT less to lose than you do 83. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "6.) Amber Cope" Any particular reason why you choose Amber over Angela? 84. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paulie Harraka and Buckshot Jones aren't that bad really. 85. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 11:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol @ 80 86. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 11:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It has been announced that ESPN and TNT will finish out their tv contracts next year, contrary to the belief that NBC would take over next year in their position. 87. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Seriously, how stupid is Kyle? Wrecking Brad in a NON CUP race while in firm contention for the CUP title is bad enough. Just being in a lower level Series is an error in and of itself. Brad got away with it last year, but he also didn't wreck anyone during companion chase races. But to wreck somebody who is in the Sunday races too, somebody out of the chase with nothing to lose BUT with enough speed to run with the leaders at times during the races is just dumb. But did it end there? Of course not! This is Kyle we are talking about. He then has to blast Brad verbally. Claiming Brad has "no class", proclaiming himself as having "more class" and "the bigger man". Then most hilariously saying "I never retaliated after Watkins Glen" when his spin last year was clearly his fault and best of all "I have never wrecked anyone on purpose". At Bristol 2010 he BRAGGED IN VICTORY LANE about wrecking Brad in the NWide race. What about Elliott Sadler at the 2011 Truck race when he pulled a "Gordon"? And oh yeah, how about wrecking TRUCK CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER Ron Hornaday in a TRUCK RACE UNDER CAUTION then bragging about that? But he has more class. Look, obviously Brad is no saint. He'll never be confused for Mark Martin. But he comes away from this one smelling like a rose. What does that tell you? Not only is all support on Brad's side including Twitter comments blasting Kyle and his comments from JPM (whom Brad has tangled with) and Harvick (whom Brad has tangled with), he is pretty much EXPECTED to wreck Kyle in a Cup race at some point. So nice job of screwing yourself yet again Kyle. I have never seen anyone like him who just can't help himself, who ALWAYS unravels at the first sign of pressure. All the talent in the world and he can't get oit of his own head. And once again The New And Improved Jeff Gordon will finish behind The Old Jeff Gordon in points. Oh yeah, one other Kyle verbal gem from yesterday. "I have bigger fish to fry on Sundays than Saturdays". Guess what? BRAD HAS A CUP CHAMPIONSHIP AND YOU DON'T! 88. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well said, DSFF. 89. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I have bigger fish to fry on Sundays than Saturdays" lol, Even though he's running 25 of the Saturday races. 90. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm a little surprised by the presence of Joe Weatherly and Bill Elliott on your top ten list. Any particular reason?" Lol. Mostly to mix it up a little. Seriously though, I give Weatherly a lot of credit where others may not: 25 wins and 153 top tens in 230 races; he won almost 10 percent of the races he entered and he was a top ten driver about 65% of the time. The two times he ran the full or nearly full schedule, he won the season title (much like David Pearson). He *allegedly* helped discover that you can draft/slip-stream in a big stock car. Had he not been killed at Riverside in 1964, assuming he stuck with NASCAR, he might have beaten King Richard to being the first 3 time (or more) Champ. As for Million Dollar Bill: well, on second thought, I'm thinking maybe I should have put Junior Johnson there. Elliot should still be high on some sort of list though...we've discussed several times how the 80s and 90s were arguably NASCAR's most competitive years and this was when Bill was at his finest. He was the most popular driver for many years straight and his popularity and success *helped* fuel the rise in NASCAR's popularity. His 212 mph run in the T-Bird is something pretty special. Again, I'm thinking maybe I should have put Junior Johnson in 9/10th, but I'm not shy about saying why I think Bill Elliot is indeed Awesome Bill. "It has been announced that ESPN and TNT will finish out their tv contracts next year, contrary to the belief that NBC would take over next year in their position." BLECH! Well maybe we'll get a reprieve from them acting like lame ducks for the next few weeks. I'm sure all BSPN broadcasts will continue to be the "Kyle Busch and Jimmie Johnson domination & smile time racing show" but I guess it is what it is (whatever that is). 91. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't want to beat a dead horse that's done decomposing and the vultures are gone. I hope Brad doesn't go after Kyle in a Cup race, go after him in a NATIONWIDE race. if Brad does it there we wont even notice he'll probably go win the race afterwards but that's beside the point as a (terrible) TV nerd (and a sheeple at times) and with having dreams of working in the TV and film industry it would be a good way to sell the Nationwide races to the audience. 92. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Kyle really say he has never intentionally wrecked anyone?! I didn't hear his full interview yesterday; all I heard him say was that his car got tight under Brad's and the part about him being a more classy and respectful driver than Brad. So, I guess when he took out Ron Hornaday under caution at Texas after he got put in the wall, it was because his brakes failed and his steering locked up, am I right? 93. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bold prediction: At least one of the top 3 will have a problem today. 94. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, you mention what Kyle Busch did in victory lane in that NNS race at Bristol in 2010, but you forgot to mention the salty comments he threw in David Reutimann's direction in victory lane the following night, saying that Reutimann did not "want it" as much as he did, and that got quite a number of others upset at him. But I think another reason some of the others are lashing out at Kyle has to do with the incident with Trevor Bayne in that same race yesterday. While there are a couple of drivers that don't really like Bayne, most notably Austin Dillon and Justin Allgaier, Bayne is among the most popular among the younger drivers, as well being one that's actually running for points in the Nationwide Series, and Kyle tried to take him out before taking Keselowski out. 95. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Did Kyle really say he has never intentionally wrecked anyone?!" They just replayed Kyle's interview from yesterday. He did not say he's never wrecked anyone on purpose. 96. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It wasn't on this TV, it was to USA Today. But did you guys just see his interview? And how about Brad's mind games already? Kyle Busch = rattled 97. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think if they could find a place that is wide enough, a street course for NASCAR would be very interesting. NASCAR really needs to try something to refresh a schedule that has become very stale. If it doesn't work, they can take it off. 98. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Which USA Today article, DSFF? The only quotes from Kyle Busch I can find in USA Today articles online are the "I have more class and respect than Brad; I'm the better man for not wrecking him after Watkins Glen last year" quotes. Which are still complete and utter BS and imply to me that Kyle does not see himself as a dirty driver. NOBODY in their right mind would call Kyle a classy, respectful driver. To use an old saying my teachers in school used to say a lot, the pot is calling the kettle black. I will NEVER buy the "Kyle Busch has grown up and is now fully mature" bull the TV networks try to get us to believe year after year. He'll go through stretches where he doesn't get into any trouble...then he'll pull something like this and act like an arrogant jerk afterwards. For me to buy the "new, mature Kyle Busch", he'd have to go 2-3 seasons without stirring up anything with anyone. 99. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fork you too Daughtry! 100. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go to Jayski. It is in quite a few articles there. I thought it was in the USA Today article but I guess not. But it is there. Try the Sporting News article. 101. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) that was terrible, im glad the government was shut down and therefore they couldn't hear it 102. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Found the quote in a FOX Sports article. Here's the quote: "Brad Keselowski knows what dirty drivers are because he's done it plenty of times," Busch said. "I have yet to wreck a person on purpose." 103. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even if he didn't say it yesterday, at the 2005 Pikes Peak Busch race (I think), Kyle went off on Greg Biffle in a lame rant where he word for word said "There is no reason EVER why I would wreck someone on purpose". So he actually has said that before, just not in yesterday's incident. 104. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ugh, can those nasty question marks please be removed? Forgot that this site has a hard time dealing with quotes... 105. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lets drink every time they say "wildcard" 106. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright, so in 103, I was wrong about it being Pikes Peak (no idea why I thought it was there), but it was at some Busch race in 2004 or 2005 where he went off on Biffle saying "I would never wreck someone on purpose". There's even a video that someone put on YouTube where they play that clip and then follow it with all of his incidents over the years where he's wrecked someone deliberately. So yeah. He's contradicted himself with that before. 107. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First lap crash for BoB and Kyle Busch. It's a new record low for BoB. 108. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and Danica crashes on lap 1 109. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica made it about 1000 ft. 110. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Danica can't even make it past the first turn. 111. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We don't even make it through the first turn without 'em wrecking, GoDaddy car is tore up pretty good. 112. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One turn for The Baroness. 113. epzik8 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick! Imagine that! 114. RaceFanX posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick crashes on the first lap, her new green-and-pink paint job didn't last long in this one. 115. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did they even make it off turn 2? 116. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Axalta Racing 24 Gordon, Go! Go! Go! Go! Go, Jeff Gordon! 117. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) She just plain lost her car going into the first turn. 118. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) That was sad. She just drove down and completely wrecked unassisted in the first turn. Pathetic. 119. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) You know what's a good idea? trying to go 3 wide in turn 1 on lap 1! not! 120. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Dumbass move by her. Once again wipes out Kvapil. 121. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Glad she is okay, but nice display of having no talent at all. 122. DB1995 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2 pink godaddy cars didnt make it past the 1st lap this weekend 123. luigistarted06 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Poor Ruett 124. Scott. B posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ladies and gentlemen, the future of NASCAR, Danica Patrick. 125. RaceFanX posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle spins but doesn't hit anything. That's the second pink GoDaddy crash wrecked on the opening lap this weekend, James Hinchcliffe's IndyCar was wrecked on the start at the first half of the Houston IndyCar doubleheader a day before. 126. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a feeling this is going to be an unusual race...Take that for what it's worth. 127. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) too bad! she is alright I hope 128. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It'll be interesting to see if Kyle can come back from this and maintain his points position, or if he'll just give up in typical 18 Chase fashion. 129. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race may be a wreckfest. The drivers aren't experienced with this tire. 130. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) And yet GoDaddy is leaving James Hinchcliffe, a driver who has shown me he has the talent necessary to potentially be an IndyCar champion, in order to increase their sponsorship of BoB. It is very sad that the sponsors would chose to go with more exposure with a hype machine than stick with a proven winner in a lesser-known series. But alas, that's how business works... 131. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a feeling half the field is going to crash out of this race. 132. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Don't give up 10 car 133. Mr X posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I really wonder what the other driver drivers think of Danica, this by my count is the third time in the last 15 races that she has caused a wreck taking out other cars and herself by sticking her nose in the wrong spot at the wrong time, turn one, lap one on this occasion. I can't think of another driver who drives with so little thought. Honesty competing at this level should require approval from other drivers in cases this extreme, this is ridiculous. 134. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I feel bad for her. I know she's trying. But my god, she's just so bad. 135. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) how tall is Jamie Little? 136. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) If she's truly the future of this sport, then NASCAR is ****ed. 137. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr X, after Loudon in July, Travis Kvapil expressed his displeasure with her driving after she crashed into him during that race. 138. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll say it right now, It's going to be a wreckfest until the last 40 laps or so...I think. 139. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Her interview was pathetic. She doesn't even realize she did anything wrong! 3 wide on a track where the lack of grip has been a story all week? MAKING it 3 wide? Oy. 140. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR really needs to change their restart rules so the cars in odd-numbered positions line up behind the leader. It makes no sense how 4th place is the 2nd best position to be in nearly every restart (though Junior didn't really make it work this time). 141. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On a positive note, lately Stenhouse seems to be picking up his pace, getting used to his car and making this season look like he is a talented rookie. With some more practice, I'm sure that wins are not that far away. 142. 18fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) The rule change should be getting rid of double file restarts and go back to way restarts were for 60 years. You could still have the wave around so the leader always starts first. 143. numbah10hatah posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That's what Danica's best at, crashing. 144. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR.com reports that BoB has been officially retired from the race. 0 laps completed. Like I said, a new low for her. 145. David posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "including Twitter comments blasting Kyle and his comments from...Harvick (whom Brad has tangled with)" Yeah, but Harvick and Kyle have never been the best of buddies either. "Forgot that this site has a hard time dealing with quotes..." Yes, but oddly enough, it takes special characters, like the one I would use if I spelled your name the German way (Schröder). "Bold prediction: At least one of the top 3 will have a problem today." Prediction that I hope is wrong: Jimmie Johnson will take the points lead today. 146. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If any of the recent rule changes needs to be reversed, it's the wave-around. Getting lapped pretty much means nothing anymore. I'm fine with double file restarts, but it makes no sense how you are at a massive disadvantage to be 2nd or 3rd. 147. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd say Stenhouse might fetch a win late next year. It will probably be from rain or some major controversy, or maybe a lucky pit call, but I'll say now that he'll have it in victory lane for a Cup race around this time next year 148. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The rule change should be getting rid of double file restarts and go back to way restarts were for 60 years. You could still have the wave around so the leader always starts first." I honestly wouldn't mind this. I like the double file restarts just fine, but NLA is right in that it's incredibly dumb that 4th place is the second best place to be on a restart. So I wouldn't mind either a change in the current format or just completely reverting back to single file. 149. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) when Ricky gets his first win it will be the only time Danica will end up in victory lane 150. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) damn how did Johnson do that 151. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "damn how did Johnson do that" Well, it obviously wasn't driving talent. /sarcasm 152. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) "damn how did Johnson do that" By being a wheel holder. 153. Jocke Persson posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #139. Agreed. "If I did anything wrong, I apologize to the team." Clueless! By the way, what does BoB stand for? Baroness something.. 154. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin came close to losing it in front of gordon a small handful of laps ago. 155. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Que the complaints about DJ calling Jimmie "the very best of all time at Dover" in 3, 2, 1... 156. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Superman, really ESPN really. 5-time was bad enough 157. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want to see the woman that baby came out of....or do I? its probably big as a combination of Saddams chemicals and Chemtrails, Floride in the water, and the government chemicals that put a rainbow in the sprinkler water 158. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not gonna complain about that, because anyone with a bit of common sense should know that Dover doesn't matter whatsoever. 159. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "By the way, what does BoB stand for? Baroness something.." Baroness of Backmarkers 160. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) McDowell off the pace, caution. 161. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) As I said last week, there is no denying Jimmie Johnson is talented. I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as calling him a simple "wheel-holder". I just think his stats have been significantly inflated by who he drives for and by his crew chief. I think of as being more of a Rusty Wallace/Bill Elliott level talent rather than being on the same level as Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt. If you think he's on the same level as Petty or Earnhardt or even better than them, who am I to tell you you're wrong? It's your opinion, after all, and everyone is entitled to their own. I'll just respectfully disagree with it. 162. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution. it's probably because some one is off pace or licked the wall in turns 1-2. I didn't see anything via Racebuddy, but the backstretch came did zoom pretty close to Turn 2. 163. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's what I'm talking about with the wave-around: Keselowski made an unscheduled green flag stop, and he'll be right back on the lead lap with around 330 miles left. The penalty for getting lapped is almost nothing. 164. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lots of guys took two tires, including Gordon and Almirola. 165. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 161. Schroeder51 posted: If you think he's on the same level as Petty or Earnhardt or even better than them, who am I to tell you you're wrong? It's your opinion, after all, and everyone is entitled to their own. I'll just respectfully disagree with it. ^ We need more people that respecting of other's opinions in the world. 166. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "I just think his stats have been significantly inflated by who he drives for and by his crew chief. I think of as being more of a Rusty Wallace/Bill Elliott level talent rather than being on the same level as Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt." Amen. He is the Rusty Wallace of cookie cutters. 167. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) you said you are watching RaceBuddy? I know Danica had an on-board, who did they replace her with? 168. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) I think that if you were to go back in time and give Bill Elliott the very, very best equipment for his entire career, you'd see a very JJ like career. 169. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Here's what I'm talking about with the wave-around: Keselowski made an unscheduled green flag stop, and he'll be right back on the lead lap with around 330 miles left. The penalty for getting lapped is almost nothing." It only works out conveniently for him though because there happened to be a caution not too long after he pitted. Remember, you cannot pit if you take the wave around. If you are a lap down and take the wave around, but have to pit in 40 laps whereas everyone else who just pitted can go 80 laps, if you don't get a caution in less than 40 laps then you're going to be just as bad off as you were before, if not worse, because you have to pit under green. The wave around is really more of a gamble than it is welfare because the only way it works is if you catch a caution flag. 170. numbah10hatah posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Martin Truex Jr. speeds on pit road. 171. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) why do they need the cones in the fence? the drivers don't need the track telling them how to drive, they are better drivers than we are (except maybe the driver of the 10) they don't need the track telling them how to do their job 172. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think that if you were to go back in time and give Bill Elliott the very, very best equipment for his entire career, you'd see a very JJ like career." Ernie Elliott engines 7/8th car (debateable) Junior Johnson 173. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For the record, I can respect putting Jimmie Johnson on the level of Bill Elliott or Rusty Wallace (thought I think he ranks with Petty, Gordon, Earnhardt, and Pearson). But frankly, if you are one of those people who completely disregard all of his accomplishments, then I can't take you seriously. Just like I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't consider Gordon a top 10 driver. 174. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For his ENTIRE career, NLA. Just like Jimmie has gotten. He only spent about 10 years in really good equipment (1983 to about 1993 with Melling and Junior Johnson). Meanwhile, Jimmie is gonna be in Hendrick equipment for his entire career unless something shocking happens and he leaves. For the 75th time, Jimmie is a damn good driver. But is he a Petty, Earnhardt, or Pearson? I don't think so. 175. 18fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick has already led more laps today than he had all season prior to this race. 176. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 167. jabber1990 posted: you said you are watching RaceBuddy? I know Danica had an on-board, who did they replace her with? ^ I don't know. I tuned into Racebuddy just a few laps after she DNF'ed. THey probably already changed her cam. I'm watching the Mosaic showing the backstretch, Johnson's onboard, Gordon's onboard, and Newman's onboard. The other one is a Pit lane can, Jr.s On Board, Kyle's onboard, and Kenseth's onboard. 177. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) how many chasers finish in in top 13 not counting bowyer(aka pinnochio) and logano(troll under the bridge) ah go ahead and count them too cause fair is fair I guess? I think more than 4 but less than 11 so I'll say 6. 178. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) The Problem with the Danica isn't the Car, Team, or Owner Its the Driver plain and Simple. 179. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I've posted this before, but here are my top 10 drivers... 1) Richard Petty 2) Jeff Gordon 3) Dale Earnhardt 4) David Pearson 5) Jimmie Johnson 6) Cale Yarborough 7) Bobby Allison 8) Darrell Waltrip 9) Herb Thomas 10) Lee Petty 180. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'd say that Jimmie isn't on the level of Pearson, Petty, or Gordon. I'd put those three instantly on the top 3 'most talented drivers' list. They're in a category on all their own, with Dale Sr, Bobby Allison, Lee Petty, and Dale Waltrip literally right behind those three. The next grouping I would put would be like Cale Yabrough, Wallace, Stewart, Johnson, Elliot, etc. He'd have to win 8 championships or pass Earndhart's win total for me to consider putting him up there. 181. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i'd rather see a list of top 10 and bottom 10 ACTIVE drivers 182. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "For his ENTIRE career, NLA. Just like Jimmie has gotten. He only spent about 10 years in really good equipment (1983 to about 1993 with Melling and Junior Johnson). Meanwhile, Jimmie is gonna be in Hendrick equipment for his entire career unless something shocking happens and he leaves. For the 75th time, Jimmie is a damn good driver. But is he a Petty, Earnhardt, or Pearson? I don't think so." Elliott chose to start his own team and in retrospect I am sure he would admit that was probably a bad decision, it costed him 6 years of his career. But would he have won 20+ races and 4 championships if he was instead with a top team? I doubt it. Jimmie Johnson is not Petty, Earnhardt, or Pearson, and no one says that other than the ESPN crowd (for the record, I feel the same about Gordon, even though some do in all seriousness think he IS at that level). But he's also at a level above Wallace and Elliott. 183. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Ugh, yet another track position race, and yet another Jimmie Johnson points lead. This race sucks, just like the season. 184. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "For the 75th time, Jimmie is a damn good driver. But is he a Petty, Earnhardt, or Pearson? I don't think so." There is really no way of knowing one way or the other...He very well could have been better than any of those guys if they all raced at the same time in their prime. 185. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) a driver is required to give 100% at all times unless you're jimmies Teammate? 186. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "But would he have won 20+ races and 4 championships if he was instead with a top team?" Maybe not 4 more championships, but if he goes to a team like Yates in 1995 (instead of DJ), then I think he could have won about 20 more races. If he could win races for Evernham's overrated organization in his late 40s, he surely could have won a bunch of races in Yates' really good late 90s equipment. 187. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kasey Kahne is running a miserable 19th. He is REALLY stinking it up in this Chase. 188. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) This truly a parade, top 5 car in Brad Keselowski is stuck in 27th w/out any sign of movement 189. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Everybody always says this season sucks, but really I can't quite figure out what has been so bad about it. I think it's been quite enjoyable. The on track racing is certainly better than it was last year and probably is better than 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Not as good as 2011, in my opinion. 2006 had a disappointing ending, but was pretty good overall. I'd say 2006 is comparable to the way I see this season. 190. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) There's Johnson. Second, waiting to strike! 191. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Jeez, HMS cars pulling away and passing on 2 tires. Just like last week. It is 1998 all over again. And Jeff and Junior just laid over for the 48. Best ever? No HMS lifer even belongs in the Top 10. Period. 192. TS1420 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Something has got to be up with Kasey Kahne after that wreck at New Hampshire. He's running mid-pack at his bread & butter track while the rest of the Hendrick cars are running top 5. I agree with Murb that Nap-Time is a Wallace/Elliott level driver propped up by superior equipment. 193. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson struck and got it! 194. 18fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was inevitable. 195. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dammit, race over nap-time wins. 196. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe not 4 more championships, but if he goes to a team like Yates in 1995 (instead of DJ), then I think he could have won about 20 more races. If he could win races for Evernham's overrated organization in his late 40s, he surely could have won a bunch of races in Yates' really good late 90s equipment." You're right that he would have won a lot of races, I'd guess around 15 or so, but I doubt he would have come close to 4 championships, though he probably would have won 1999 if he was in the 88 instead of Jarrett. I don't think Evernham's organization was overrated when Elliott was there. Jeremy Methfield, after all, won two races and made two Chases there. It only became overrated when Evernham took everything away from the #19 to give to Kahne and he became less focused on the team in general because of his relationship with Erin Crocker. 197. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution out for debris in the middle of green flag pit stops. Totally saw that one coming. 198. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution. Something tells me it's from debris... Not sure 199. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution as Jimmie is coming on pit road. This is probably gonna be a cluster. 200. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So much for the "NASCAR wants Johnson to win" meme. 201. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'll share my top and bottom 10 active CUP drivers then. Top 10: 1) Kyle Busch 2) Tony Stewart 3) Jimmie Johnson 4) Jeff Gordon (Admit it, he is not as good as he was 4-5 years ago) 5) Denny Hamlin 6) Matt Kenseth 7) Brad Keselowski 8) Kurt Busch 9) Carl Edwards 10) Jamie McMurray Bottom 10: (no.1 is the worst) Based on the last couple of years only. 1) BoB 2) JJ Yeley 3) David Stremme 4) Dave Blaney 5) Michael McDowell 6) Bobby Labonte 7) Joey Logano 8) Jeff Burton 9) J.P. Montoya 10) David Ragan 202. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If I were to rate this season I would give it: MINUS FIVE STARS. 203. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How do the Johnson conspiracy folks explain this one??? Miscommunication between The Felon and NASCAR? Did the check bounce? 204. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris in Turn 3. Backstretch camera didn't swing around so I can't tell if there really is anything there or not Didn't see anything with the onboards, but that means nothing. 205. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #203-No, the reason the caution came out is so Jeff Gordon can be caught a lap down. Don't you know NASCAR and the racing gods HATE Jeff Gordon? I kid of course, but it really does seem like every single time he pits under green, the caution flag comes out. It's happened quite a few times this year. 206. Jim Davis posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano worse than Mears, Cassill, Hill, Wise, etc? I think not. 207. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) They were trying to warn everyone "we are about to throw a debris caution" but the 48 pitted anyways. It doesn't matter. He'll pass everyone. He has the only car that can pass in traffic. As usual. 17th? He'll be leading in 40 laps. 208. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "#203-No, the reason the caution came out is so Jeff Gordon can be caught a lap down. Don't you know NASCAR and the racing gods HATE Jeff Gordon?" Haha. Yep, NASCAR hates Gordon obviously. Except when they don't like at Richmond, then they are manipulating the race in his favor. Ah, the ridiculousness and illogic of NASCAR fans sometimes...can't live with it, can't live without it. 209. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hill's equipment is so bad it makes it impossible to rate him, Wise have either parked or ran a backmarker's R&D car in his cup career. Joey has been one of the biggest underachievers before this season and it is only a personal opinion of mine. 210. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't think Evernham's organization was overrated when Elliott was there." They were a weird organization. They would go on stretches where they would be winning and getting a bunch of top fives, but then they would go on even longer stretches where they would be mid pack. I guess I called it overrated because of Evernham himself. A lot of people talk about him like he's one of the greatest minds in all aspects of racing ever. While he is certainly one of the greatest crew chiefs ever (probably top three), I think he sucked as an owner. He made some terrible moves that derailed that team. The stupid "team directors" thing, ruining Casey Atwood's career for Mayfield (which I'm still miffed about, I always liked Casey and thought he could have been a good driver), and of course the idiotic Gillett stuff that went down towards the end of his tenure. I honestly think he's one of the worst owners in recent memory. So I guess that's why I used "overrated". The equipment was pretty good I guess, but the team seemed to be a train wreck. 211. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zachary Shawn, you're on a roll today. 212. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Line 'em up for the restart buddies! Kenseth and Jr up front. Montoya in 5th? That's unexpected, regardless on how you twist it. Cuation came at a bad time for Johnson, He fell to 12th. The car does look quick enough to make the spots up, but anything can happen. 213. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2nd Lap after that restart, somebodies tried making it 4 wide heading into turn 3. Not sure who they all were, but I could of sworn I saw the #1. 4 wide at this track, this cold!? With this tire compound? Dumb move. thankfully they all saved it. 214. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "They were trying to warn everyone "we are about to throw a debris caution" but the 48 pitted anyways." So, for those keeping up, the answer is miscommunication between NASCAR and The Felon. I wonder how much of a hit in their check form Hendrick NASCAR will take because of that... 215. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb, you're absolutely right that it was a trainwreck, but that only happened in its last few years. I've always thought it was a pretty good organization at least for its first five years. I guess Crocker screwed with Ray's head or something. Also, you're right about Atwood, he was showing quite a bit of promise by the end of his rookie season, he probably could have had a Logano-like development curve with more time. Jim Smith's satellite team was definitely not the place for a young developing driver. 216. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JJ's up to 10th. 217. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Zachary Shawn, you're on a roll today." I don't even like Jimmie Johnson (in fact I was glad to see him have problems), but I see what he means when he says the haters are fun to mess with sometimes. 218. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have always thought that was pretty messed up how Evernham just plain dumped Atwood. He didn't have a GREAT rookie season, yes (I think he was the odds-on favorite to win the ROTY award in '01 if I remember right; he didn't even come close), but he ran better towards the end of the year. He led a bunch of laps and ran up front at Phoenix before he had tire problems and came within just a few laps of winning at Homestead. I think he had the potential to become a good or decent driver, but he was not given the chance and now he's out of the sport altogether. 219. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) Kahne practically pulled off the track to let the 48 go. What a joke. That is why Jimmie will never make the Top 10 historically. He has 3 really good cars running interference for him. It is F1 in stock cars. Tainted Success: The Jimmie Johnson Story. 220. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will say this...it is quite annoying that the 48 team is are the only ones who seem to be able to hit the setup on the car right on a very consistent basis. You mean to tell me that after 12 years in the sport, the other teams STILL haven't figured out how they do it? 221. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution...again, don't know what for. I'm pathetic. 222. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassill and Nemechek have synchronized blowups. Weird, because they're not even of the same make, much less the same engine manufacturer. 223. Jim Davis posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Joey has been one of the biggest underachievers before this season..." Logano has certainly underachieved but that doesn't make him bad and certainly not one of the ten worst. I don't see Penske and Keselowski pursuing a bottom 10 driver. 224. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I completely missed the engine failures because I was checking out the IndyCar race. In case you didn't know, there's been a very serious accident in that race involving Dario Franchitti. 225. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #33 blew. Okay Got it. 226. Peter posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone check out the Indycar race and pray for Dario 227. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Atwood was coming on really strong towards the end of 2001. He won the pole at Phoenix and was the dominant car with Rusty until they both had tire problems, and he battled for the win at Homestead only to be beaten by his teammate Elliott. I have no idea what Evernham was thinking dumping a young driver (20 years old) with so much potential for Jeremy Mayfield, who at that point was a proven hot and cold driver (and bridge burner). 228. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sh1111t. Not Franchitti! I'm not a huge fan of his, I'm more of a Kannan, Power, and Castroneves kind of guy, but Please, Don't let it be another Vegas 2011! 229. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) An awful crash for Dario Franchitti in Houston. 230. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh god. Hope Dario is okay. 231. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is not going to be Vegas 2011 bad, but it looks serious and a leg injury of some kind seems sure for me. 232. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently, there's been a terrifying wreck involving Dario Franchitti at the Houston IndyCar race. 233. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I heard 'em say that Dario was taking his gloves off and he was moving around, I certainly hope and pray he's alright. 234. Peter posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The track doctor is at Dario's car, this doesn't look good 235. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dario's season has already been rough enough, I really hope this is nothing serious and he'll be OK. They're not showing a replay, so it must have looked terrifying. Fortunately, several drivers are reporting that they saw him moving. 236. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They said he's moving around a little bit. Sounds like this might be reminiscent of Kenny Brack's Texas crash. Hope it all turns out well for him. 237. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is going to be embarasing to ask, but where on the track did Dario's incident occur? 238. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They did show a couple of replays right afterward. Basically, Franchitti made contact with Takuma Sato and vaulted up into the catch fencing. 239. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dario's crash looked just like Alessandro Zampedri's crash at the end of the '96 Indy 500. 240. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dario's been taken in a stretcher. Am I right? 241. Peter posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope it's not Murb 242. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) that was close 243. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dave Blaney spins on the restart and brings out another caution. 244. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, Dario is on a stretcher. He was moving, but judging by the looks of the crash, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a leg injury. 245. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What Matt Kenseth just did on that restart is something Jimmie Johnson lacks on a constant basis: A mistake on the restart. 246. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If you have not seen the replays and wondering what happened in Houston, Sato got loose in the high-speed kink, slid in Dario's way and he flew off Sato's back, right into the catchfencing. The fence ripped of the Dallara's front and pushed it back to the track spinning around. Viso then hit Sato's car, but they 2 appear to be fully healthy. Got to applaud de Silvestro, Vautier and Rahal who avoided plowing into the wreck with only a really short time to react. 247. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I REALLY want to feel enthusiastic about this race, but after Dario's crash...I...I just can't. 248. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, they did look very similar to the crashes that Brack and Zampedri had. 249. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) According to Chip Ganassi, Dario is banged up and hurt his ankle and his back, but he'll be alright. That is great news to hear. 250. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dario is slightly injured, but for the most part OK. Thank God for the DW12... 251. Peter posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chip said Dario's gonna be okay; best news I've heard in a long time 252. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "What Matt Kenseth just did on that restart is something Jimmie Johnson lacks on a constant basis: A mistake on the restart." ... you were saying? 253. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good to hear about Dario. That sick and unknown feeling when a bad crash happens is just the worst. 254. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^I must had jinx him. Maybe I should do it more often LOL (I actually meant while leading but alright). 255. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's a relief to hear about Dario. 256. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch is still mired in the 20's. Has anything major happened or is it just the inevitable beginning of the end? 257. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch running a mere 27th nearly halfway through this race. Like I said, if there's any race that can take him out of the championship hunt, it would be this one. 258. David posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Checking in, saw the news about Franchitti. I hope he's OK. 259. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #256 Kyle spun to avoid a first lap crash by Danica, but other than that, he's just not run very well at all today. 260. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Prayers for Dario. Kahne just rolled aside for Jimmie while Denny ran Matt onto the apron. Now Gordon is a good boy and rolls over for the 48. Rick will give him a treat after the race. Maybe rub his belly. 261. startandparkfan posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The "best car Kenseth ever drove".... "one of eight connecting rods in the car's engine was light by the weight of three grams." ... "Kenseth was docked 50 points, crew chief Jason Ratliff was suspended six races and fined $200,000, owner Joe Gibbs was suspended six races, and manufacturer Toyota was served with a five-point penalty." hmmmm. 262. David posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He's alright. Good. 263. Peter posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know what you mean Murb, I was sick to my stomach waiting for news on Dale Sr. 264. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks. I saw the Danica crash, I just wondered if anything happened in the 1/2 hour or so. 265. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin is running 5th. How will he find a way to screw up and finish outside of the top 20? 266. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allgaier crashes with Newman. 267. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justin Allgaier & Ryan Newman crash. 268. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now they're saying as many as 15 people were injured in the grandstands. 269. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justin Allgaier and Ryan Newman tangle on the backstretch. 270. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ricky Stenhouse Jr dodged a bullet from the man with rockets. 271. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 1st wrecked car for Scott Jr's team. Welcome to the lower midfield, where luck avoids you and tires hate your team Harry. 272. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's really unfortunate, Allgaier was having a solid top-20 run, which is great for a Phoenix Racing car. 273. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Kenseth gets a penalty for speeding on Pit Road....& now Jimmie Johnson is happy. 274. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Kenseth gets a speeding penalty. 275. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Logano clipped his front tire changer getting out. And a pit road penalty for Kenseth. Dos Jotas/Hendrick conspirators, you may continue. 276. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope they can get a sponsor to run Allgaier full time next year. I imagine he could probably hover around the top 20 in that car. Kenseth speeds on pit road. Now Kyle and Matt have had problems, so now there's only one left. 277. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As bad as the crash in Houston was, it could have been a lot worse if it happened 2 years ago with the old car. I don't know for sure if the new car is in fact that much safer or not, but it's good that Franchitti is alive and didn't suffer life-threatening injuries. Dan Wheldon did a lot of the development work for the new car, and now we could be seeing some of the benefits of it. It's just really unfortunate that Dan's accident occurred in the last race with the old car instead of the first race with the new car. 278. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't mean to sound like one of "them" but does anyone else like seeing high-speed shots of blown tires? 279. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch stayed out, so now he's running second. Will he now run well now that he's up at the front, or will he fade dramatically? 280. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Couldn't be that Matt Kenseth, you know, actually SPED, could it? 281. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Ugh Matt, why? All of us who watch NASCAR are being punished. We all need to take a look at our lives to see what we have done to get the punishment that has been the NASCAR 2013 season. Just brutal. 282. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well Schroeder51, part of Kyle Busch's problem may be the front splitter, which may have been damaged when he spun to avoid being in that first turn wreck. That may be why he's run poorly today. It's also interesting to see that Kevin Harvick is employing the same strategy he used a couple of years ago by staying out to keep Kyle Busch from leading under caution. He did that same thing at Talladega when one of his championship rivals was a lap down to keep him from getting a wave-around. Of course, if Kyle can get around Harvick on the restart, then that tactic maybe all for naught. 283. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF, don't you think your over-reacting a little. I mean, you did get Summer Loudon. You seemed pretty happy with that. And Tally this year. This season hasn't been a total bummer for you, has it? Granted, this is nowhere near as good as 2011. Or 2005. 284. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) It's not THE worst year in NASCAR history ever, it's just been a very disappointing year overall. I had some pretty high hopes for this season (what with there being a new car and all), and while there have been some good races this year; for the large part this year has been a letdown. Maybe that's what I get for having high hopes... 285. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did ESPN just conk out on anyone? 286. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) thank you Gordon 287. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kvapil spins. Here comes the wreck fest stuff it looks like. 288. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another caution for a Travis Kvapil spin. Those BK cars are just jinxed. Kyle seems displeased with Joey. 289. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson had another bad restart, keep it coming 5-Time. 290. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many cautions did this race have last year? 14, I think? 291. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Caution for a single car spin with contact with other cars or the wall whatsoever. 292. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) with NO contact* 293. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Don't worry Kvapil, Talladega will be here in a minute. Just keep your head up and get a great result there. 294. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @290, yes, 14 cautions last year is the most @ Kansas thus far. 295. NadeauFan91 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kryle flipping a bitch on Logano because....He passed him... 296. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) has anyone else lost the race? @NASCARCASM said he's lost it once, I've lost it twice but I ignored it the first time 297. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I surely haven't enjoyed this year by any means, but it's still way better than 2008 or 2009. To me those were just the worst years we've had in a long time. At least this year there has been a bunch of oddball stuff that has kind of kept things interesting. 298. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle Busch is messing with a #22 Penske Racing Ford again. Kudos to the ESPN booth for taking Joey's side because "it is a race after all" as Andy Peteee said. The whole point is to pass. 299. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle is melting down before our eyes. Joey made a picture perfect restart pass and Kyle is pissed. 300. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Kyle complains about passing yet has no problems making ballsy three wide passes if given the opportunity. He and Stewart are two of the biggest hypocrites in Nascar. 301. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Why the hell is it that a good number of today's drivers have a "Don't race me! Don't pass me!" attitude?! Kyle Busch is a pretty good example of that. 302. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHAT THE HELL? FIRE IN TURN ONE? 303. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a TRACKSIDE fire. 304. We need more Onion posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) Bet that's BK Racing's spare engine. 305. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BSPN's ticker just screwed up, it listed Yeley and Ragan as running 42nd and 43rd. There's a fire burning entering turn 1. Caution flag is out. 306. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now there's a damn fire. Told you this would be a weird race. 307. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It looks like a fire outside of turn 1. Caution. 308. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) nice save by travis Kvapil 309. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Great. NASCAR is gonna have grills lined up around the racetrack every week now. 310. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Bet that's BK Racing's spare engine." Comment of the race! 311. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) How could they not throw a caution flag for that? The fire was blowing smoke all over turn 1; it could have been a safety hazard. I'm not going to question NASCAR's call on that one. 312. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1982 Dega anyone? 313. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I knew eventually a fan would set the track on fire during a race. But I thought for sure ot would be some redneck at a Southern track. Who knew it would be in the Mid West? 314. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well now we can finally say that #SmokeHasRisen instead of #SmokeWillRise. 315. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly, it was probably Moses trying to talk to God. Blasphemy not intended. 316. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "1982 Dega anyone?" The funny thing about that is that the '82 Talladega incident was a brush fire in turn 1. They had to throw the caution because of it. 317. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt and Gordon going at it on the backstretch. 318. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon backs up on the restart all the way behind Johnson. Cue DSFF calling Jeff Jimmie's loyal lap dog... 319. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For those asking, ESPN just went out in Auburn. 320. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse smacks the wall. 321. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK, I just lost ESPN AND ESPN2 simultaneously apparently. 322. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse slapped the wall pretty hard and got quite a bit of right side damage. 323. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Signal just went out here. I had signal problems yesterday as well, with not just BSPN, but EVERY SINGLE SPORTS CHANNEL. The hell is going on? 324. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "OK, I just lost ESPN AND ESPN2 simultaneously apparently." Same here and we aren't the only ones. 325. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cue a joke about how this is another sign that BSPN doesn't care about NASCAR. 326. numbah10hatah posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #321: I just did, too. 327. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Are we sure ESPN isn't part of the government and this is a result of the shutdown? 328. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The sound on mine was cutting out a little bit and the screen froze for a second, but other than that I've been okay. It's probably just BSPN giving up on Nascar. David Ragan spins and hits the inside wall pretty hard, caution. 329. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ragan hit the inside wall on the backstretch. 330. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gilland loses it off of turn 2. Caution 331. MStall41 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) DSFF, you're last few posts are a perfect example of why you can't fairly judge a driver in the greater historical context until at least a few years after they retire. 332. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan into the inside wall. 333. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why did I say Gilland? It's Ragan. Stupid me. 334. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And you wonder why people on this board remember the 80s and 90s fondly, Schroeder51? Back then, the drivers raced each other hard and actually enjoyed the competition. A while back, one poster mentioned that a big reason Jeff Gordon has become as popular with some of the older fans as he's become is because he's a main bridge to that period. But today, the drivers don't seem to like to get raced hard like they used to. I remember what Ed Hinton of ESPN said after the Texas race in 2010 about Jimmie Johnson not liking being raced hard by Gordon, saying that he'd better get used to it. And that's just one case of drivers today not liking being raced, because there are many other examples of that. 335. The Long Shot posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Reports say that no one in the crowd was seriously hurt in the Dario Franchitti accident. Thank goodness for that. That crash reminded me of a mix between Dan Wheldon's 2011 crash at Las Vegas and Kenny Brack's 2003 crash at Texas. 336. Mark N. posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Menard to the lead!! I'll enjoy this while it lasts. Although he's been strong all day. 337. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shocker: BSPNU works, but BSPN, BSPN2, BS1, and NBC Sports do not. So apparently, seeing a women's college soccer game is of more interest than watching NASCAR. 338. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All 3 HMS cars rolled over like good boys. They earned what Rick is paying them to do. Looking forward to next year when Kurt takes Jeff's and JJ's setups and runs circles aroumd them and those two freak out. 339. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) you want me to be happy Gordon, drive that damn thing and shut up 340. Mark N. posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) scratch that. 4 cars stayed out. 341. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Got the coverage back now. Why the hell is it going out, though? 342. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer's camera clicked off, then back on. They did replace him for Newman earlier, FYI. I wonder why the cam did that though. Normally the stream would just freeze up. 343. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ESPN is claming its a staelite interference from sunspots 344. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The problems the HMS cars have had on restarts today just continue the problems they've had, because they've had problems on restarts company-wide all year. And on a different note, isn't good to see Denny Hamlin up there where we've been used to seeing him before this year, because he's been in the top five much of this race, and is now second. However, I'll be interested to see how all this tactical shuffling ends up working out. 345. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris. 346. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) satelite 347. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris on the frontstretch. It's Casey Mears' back bumper. We are definitely going to break that record for cautions today... 348. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Caution for Casey Mears' TV panel... unfortunately for GEICO, it was upside down. 349. numbah10hatah posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Casey Mears loses the back end of his car...literally. 350. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What else can happen today? Casey Mears' car looked like Bobby Allison's in the 1982 Daytona 500 when the bumper came flying off. 351. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) time to stay out Gustafson there will be another caution and Gordon needs track position 352. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Debris from Mears for another Caution. Remeber when DJ's rear panel blew into the stands at Bristol a few years back? I think it was 2006... Kind of funny because it landed 'Right' in front of a guy, who picked it up, saw the cameras looking at him, and pointed at it with the smile of a 5 year old getting an action figure he's wanted. 353. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) LOL, I remember the guy who picked up Dale Jarrett's rear bumper panel. Can't blame him for being happy, though! That WOULD make for a cool souvenir to take home from a race. I've taken pieces of asphalt I found beneath the seats home from Darlington before... 354. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch spins out again. 355. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dang! Ambrose was FLYING on that restart! 356. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya Kyle Buschs Kyle Busch. 357. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Did ESPN just conk out on anyone?" It did for me when that fire started then came back when the race went green again. Now, Brad's gonna have to make one more pitstop before the race ends but I think he'll be okay as long as he can maintain track position and get on the same sequence as everyone else. Caution for Kyle Busch and JPM getting together. 358. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mark Martin tore the back end off his car. 359. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Karma is a bitch Kyle 360. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nevermind, that was totally Kyle's fault. He just ran Montoya down to the grass. 361. The Long Shot posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Remeber when DJ's rear panel blew into the stands at Bristol a few years back? I think it was 2006... Kind of funny because it landed 'Right' in front of a guy, who picked it up, saw the cameras looking at him, and pointed at it with the smile of a 5 year old getting an action figure he's wanted" The best part was when the other guy came up to him and looked like he was trying to buy it off him or something, and the first guy kept shaking his head "no". 362. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looked like Kyle was trying to block JPM and expected he would just back out for him or something. 363. HappyHarvick47 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think Kyle knew JPM was there. 364. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justice 365. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Part 1 of Kyle Busch's 2013 Chase Collapse. 366. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle is falling apart by the lap. 367. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mark Martin, Brian Vickers, and Carl Edwards all got damage in that as well. 368. NadeauFan91 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What makes it funnier was that HE TURNED HIMSELF! He just kept blocking JPM down to the apron and finally spun! Holy Amanda Bynes Batman this meltdown is so sweet. 369. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What happened to Kyle? 370. Mr X posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Very good job by the rest of the drivers to avoid a huge wreck on that one. 371. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle tries to block JPM and gets turned because of it, at this rate Brad won't have to do anything(and I hope he doesn't except race Kyle hard). 372. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I re-watched up till the replay on Kyle's car. I didn't see anything, but it was pointing out the front. I did see him run into the rear of Montoya's machine though. 373. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Although I've bagged on him before for causing crashes, Juan Montoya is totally blameless on this one. Kyle Busch just flat cut him off, and Montoya's from the old school way of thinking when it comes to being blocked, in that he's not going to let anyone bully him, and in this case, he's in the right. And this is not the first time this has happened between him and a JGR car. Remember Denny Hamlin at Auto Cub Speedway a few years ago? Hamlin tried to do the same thing, and Montoya would not give way, which was the right thing then, as was the case just now. When I talk about drivers having god track sense, part of what I'm talking about is who you're racing, and Kyle tried to bully the wrong driver, and got what he deserved for it. 374. HappyHarvick47 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) JGR's Twitter: "Mr. Montoya just dumped Kyle Busch. No damage it appears. Kyle did an awesome job of saving it." Kyle on the radio: "He [Montoya] won't be missed" 375. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...Did they just show Kyle giving the finger to someone? 376. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) JPM is running for Penske next year... 377. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He first ran Montoya up the track a lap before, then off turn four he totally cuts him off and spins himself out. Jeez, maybe M&M's should make a new Fall treat to coincide with Kyle's annual Chase meltdown. They could call it the Kyle Busch MELTdown or something. 378. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hate to be a bearer of Bad News, but at my house at least, Rian looks like it's right in the area. 379. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Rain 380. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Definitely looks a little dark off of turn 2. 381. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't think Brad will have to do anything to Kyle for him to be out of Chase contention, either. Karma and Kyle's annual dip in performance will do its thing. All I think Brad will do is just race him hard and not cut him breaks. 382. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambros goes a little spinny on the back. 383. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambrose spins and ANOTHER caution. I'm beginning to think this race may be rain shortened... 384. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambrose wrecks now. Not surprised about that. I saw him driving like a complete maniac across Logano's nose on one of the restarts a while ago. 385. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 70 laps to go and we've had 12 cautions. The caution flag record from last year is in trouble. 386. DB1995 posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i hope it rains, when we dont have endless caution after caution after caution, the green flag runs also sucks. 387. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ambrose goes around off turn two. If these yellows keep falling like this Brad, Harvick, Hamlin and the others who stayed out may just make it to the end without having to pit. That's assuming rain doesn't become a factor of course. 388. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) gambling related sponsor works pretty well for this race 389. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The forecast this morning did say a 20 percent chance, but only 20 percent. Then again, that station *Channel 4* is the least accurate when it comes to weather here in Wyandotte County. it could be 0 percent or 50! 390. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh shit! 391. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Meltdown Part 3 392. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch finally wipes his car out. Hat trick! 393. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) K-A-R-M-A 394. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and its over for Kyle see ya in 2014 395. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's it for Kyle. 396. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another amazing championship run by Kyle Busch. 397. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Didn't see that coming. NOT!!! 398. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What the hell was he doing? He TOTALLY drove down as if Carl wasn't even there. 399. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Nationwide chokes in yet another Cup Chase. 400. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's been some rough hits in this race. 401. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) so he pulled a Danica...crashing in the first turn and going Right into the wall 402. MStall41 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Oh the karma 403. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you say "choke"? 404. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That finishes off Kyle's day, and some of it was self-inflicted(cutting off JPM put him back there to get caught up in Vickers knocking Edwards into him). 405. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Justice is served, especially when you see who is currently leading. 406. NadeauFan91 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh my, karma is so sweet. 407. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This is exactly what I expected to see out of Kyle Busch today, considering how much he struggles at this race track. Brad doesn't even need to bother paying back Kyle to take away his championship chances. Kyle can do that just fine on his own. He is the KING of collapsing under pressure in NASCAR. 408. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) isn't it amazing how no matter how he runs in the first 26 races, come chase time, the #18 team just takes it up a notch and challenges for the championship? Running every damn NNS and truck race really does help him keep his mind focused and allow him to be 100% focused on the chase XD 409. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This is even considered a meltdown by usual KB meltdown standards. 410. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not saying I want to see this happen, but if the 20 and 48 had problems this week or next that would blow the championship wide open. And then there would be Talladega... 411. DB1995 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr. first 26, Kyle Busch folks. Ok bad nickname but its true. 412. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For all of those people making 'Kyle Busch 2013 Champion' shirts can stop now. He pulled a Danica. 413. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This race has to be in his top three meltdowns. 2/3 of the incidents he was involved in were completely avoidable on his part. So now we have a two man race already. If Kenseth blows a motor at some point, it's probably all over. 414. John Royal posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man these cars are safe, good job Brett Bodine. 415. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Something's definitely going on in turn one, because Matt Kenseth almost crashed at the same instant that Kyle and Brian Vickers crashed. I'm wondering with these restart crashes if there isn't something on the track, like water or oil, because while Kyle was definitely run into, Matt wasn't and he almost crashed at the same identical time. 416. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Classic interview coming now. 417. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In all seriousness, I'm glad to see he was ok. That was a bad hit. 418. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Oddly enough, Kyle's best chases happened to be years that he missed out. 419. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #418 Probably because he was under no pressure whatsoever seeing as he didn't have a chance at the championship. 420. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) pulling a Kyle: winning a lower-series race in THE BEST car in the series Crashing another driver in a lower-series race crashing a lower-series driver in a lower-series race (had to specify) pulling a Dania: crashing in turn 1 Crashing as a result of your idiocy crashing overhyping and underperforming did I mention crashing? im sure there are others, please add to my list, or edit it if I did something wrong or was too mean 421. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In all seriousness, I'm glad to see he was ok. That was a bad hit." Same here. It's not often that you see the whole front just come off of a car, and when I see that I know for sure the wreck is bad. 422. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) here comes the restart. 2 by 2 wide! 423. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These restarts make me feel nervous. Seeing how they've driven today, I'm pretty much always anticipating a crash to happen on every one of them. 424. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle has been trying to wreck himself all race. I have never seen anyone unravel the way he does when the pressure is on. Even Tony Romo gives himself and his team a chance before usually slipping in the end. Kyle doesn't even give himself a chance. Once again The New And Improved Jeff Gordon will finish behind The Old Jeff Gordon in points. 425. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Kenseth is just sinking right now. 426. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) #14 is REALLY slow on the track. He'd better pick up the speed. 427. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Good Boy Kasey. Rick will give you a belly rub. 428. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I live roughly 3.5 miles away from the speedway. I can smell rain in the air. 429. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 50 to go 430. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't these guys have to pit eventually? It feels like it's been forever since they pitted. 431. HappyHarvick47 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Go get 'em Harv! Although I'd love to see Menard get a win too. 432. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Menarche is coming towards the front. To be fair, he DOES legitimately run well here on average. 433. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stops as rain is in the area? I smell a random winner. 434. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Get your stopwatches out, Kenseth is in! 435. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I think Matt's pulling in. Something is WRONG with that machine! 436. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Its called being low on fuel. This is a normal occurrence in an auto race. 437. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski runs out of fuel just as he makes it to the pits. 438. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I can smell rain in the air." its going to rain well, but not very long. everything will get wet then it will dry up watch it its green till the finish 439. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Brad runs out coming into the pits. 440. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) which race number is this Brad has thrown away? 441. 12345Dude posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @338 DSFF Exactly I was waiting forever on this board for someone to mention how good Kurt will do next year. Earlier this year during driver interviews earlier this year Kevin Harvick stared into space eyes open in amazement stating the amount of knowledge Kurt has about setting up the cars. He said the reason RCR is doing better this year is because of Kurt Busch. I've mentioned in previous posts from driver interviews about how all the drivers say that NASCAR is completely a team sport. That the difference in the team will determine success and running 25th every week (that's not even an exaggeration I'll show you the reuitmann interview.) Kurt hasn't had JJ success because this is a team sport and in the past with his attitude he has ripped the team apart completely, mentally, and emotionally. They all wanted to take him out back and beat the crap out of him. If Kurt Busch can clean his act up next year... Kurt Busch out of this world car setup info + this is completely a team sport and the team doesn't want to beat the crap out of him because of his new attitude + Hendrick equipment = At least 3 titles with Stewart Haas MARK MY WORDS Also CJS I am sorry for putting words in your mouth about Jack Roush. And I was completely wrong about my theory. 442. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Can't believe the #2 team ran themselves out of gas. 443. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution flag is out for debris. 444. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now a mysterious debris caution. 445. DB1995 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) f**king Debris! Of Course!, 446. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris. 447. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution. Could i be for rain??? 448. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least this debris WAS on the racing surface... at least until a car pushed it off. 449. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think that was dog crap in a plastic bag. 450. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, it's for debris. 451. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, does that end the hopes for everyone who had already pitted? 452. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No. It's debris. I should have figured. If it rains here, I'm near guaranteed it will rain at the track a few minutes later. It's not rained here yet, although I can smell it in the air. 453. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kurt Busch out of this world car setup info + this is completely a team sport and the team doesn't want to beat the crap out of him because of his new attitude + Hendrick equipment = At least 3 titles with Stewart Haas MARK MY WORDS" I'll be sure to remember that. 454. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) it wasn't deBriS, it was a piece of a tire...I think 455. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff should have stayed out. 456. Kyle posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @444 any link to the reutimann interview? 457. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Burton no tires. Not sure if this will work. 458. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) 48 Benefit Caution. I hate the way this sport has gone. 459. John Royal posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Burton will be a wrecking ball for sure. 460. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) wait, why did he only have 1 title with Roush if he's as great as you say he is? or is that because of the control freak Roush is? also, didn't Finch run Hendrick Engines? but Kurt destroyed each of his cars. so Kurt knows Hendrick stuff? 461. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Well, does that end the hopes for everyone who had already pitted?" Nope, wavearound. 462. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Stewart-Haas' mediocre season really should have put to rest the idea that their cars are just extra Hendrick cars, but of course it hasn't for some people. I'd be willing to bet my whole savings that Kurt won't win the championship next year. 463. 12345Dude posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes murb you can. 464. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) 88 Audio(in broken English): The 48 car is faster than you. 465. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good boy Joon 466. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "48 Benefit Caution. I hate the way this sport has gone." Yep, considering how he went from 3rd with an obviously very fast car to outside the top 10 with less than 40 laps to go with a setup that's better on long runs and that has been terrible on restarts. He would have almost certainly won the race had the green stayed out. Now that's less likely. 467. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Good boy Joon 468. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Stewart-Haas' mediocre season really should have put to rest the idea that their cars are just extra Hendrick cars, but of course it hasn't for some people. I'd be willing to bet my whole savings that Kurt won't win the championship next year. " because Kesolowski won the championship last year beating Hendrick gave SHR the not as good equipment because of the fact Stewart didn't have the room to hire Kesolowski. so he ran away to Penske 469. Loose Lugnuts posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now that Kyle is out of the race, the chants of "let's go Jimmie!" are coming fast and furious from the booth, especially from A.B. 470. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "He would have almost certainly won the race had the green stayed out. Now that's less likely." Don't tell him that. The "wheel holder" has almost already made up all the lost spots. 471. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's a real caution. Another hard lick. 472. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Hard crash for Brian Vickers. We just broke the caution record from a year ago. And now Johnson has an excellent chance to win this race...ugh. 473. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, HUGE hit for Vickers. 474. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers slams the outside wall decently hard in turn 2 Caution. New caution record, I think? Also, this is going to be good for Ku. Busch if he can get it right. Restarting 4th! 475. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I guess Brian wrecked to benefit Johnson too, huh? 476. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Oh, look, another 48 benefit caution! I didn't know Vickers and Hendrick were still on good terms. 477. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a heavy crash by Vickers. That seems to be a trend today in all of professional auto racing, unfortunately. 478. John Royal posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Brett Bodine, thank you again. 479. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THAT was a hard hit, im so glad he's ok that's the 3rd car to get airborne this season? 480. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Heck of a wreck for Vickers, good to see him climb out. 481. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "how tall is Jamie Little?" It's not that Jamie Little is tall so much as it is Danica's tiny. Anyway Ask.com says Jamie is 5'5". I say she's easy to look at... I think I turned on the race just in time. Missed the fire, missed Danica's wreck...saw Kyle's wreck and his wonderful interview. Saw Kenseth drop into the pits. Saw the goofy debris caution (and saw where Jimmie probably won the title) and now I'm seeing Gordon trying to chase down Harvick. And now I saw Vickers big wreck...well let's see if Harvick can run away again. If Gordon doesn't win, I hope Harvick does. I don't want to see JJ's robo-celebration and now he has an even better shot. 482. TS1420 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Of course everybody just lets Johnson by uncontested like usual in the closing laps of a race. Future Michael Waltrip Racing Cup Champion crashes.... 483. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Do they pay Knaus to be an analyst too? He gets more air time every race than anyone in the booth, pit lane, or that dumb studio. 484. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) damn, SiriusXM NASCAR radio said that Jimmie and Chad will host the show tomorrow so that means that they already won? 485. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caught the tail end of Vickers crash. That was pretty big. 486. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) damn, SiriusXM NASCAR radio said that Jimmie and Chad will host the show tomorrow If I hear about a 300 car pileup, I'll know the reason why. 487. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch should be in great position on this restart, as long as he doesn't blow it and almost put himself in the wall like he did earlier in the race. 488. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again, 4th place is the new 2nd. 489. HappyHarvick47 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YES! The outside line on the restarts are nuts! 490. John Royal posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn the TV feed just went broken! 491. The Sound posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I figured Jeff had a better chance if it had stayed green. Of course, considering the race thus far, not likely. 492. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) New Bad Luck Brian meme: Gets to restart on 2nd row Is behind Jeff Gordon Then shits 493. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With just a tick over 10 laps to go, I'll say Harvick has got it in the bag unless some crazy fuel thing happens, or he gets a bad restart. 494. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick has got this won, from the pole. With Most laps led. Anyone say 'Max points?' 495. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jimmie off the pace. Wow. 496. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) C'mon everyone, pass Dos Jotas now!!! 497. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick wins. 498. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) No way! I thought Hendrick always gave Johnson the superior equipment! Congrats to Harvick on winning and RPM on a dual-top 10 day. 499. HappyHarvick47 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) LET'SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOO! Harv is not out of this championship yet! Happy is money from the pole! 500. 12345Dude posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) And that's if he keeps his attitude in check and doesn't go back to old Kurt. This race is beyond the word painful. I'm done watching this season other than recording the truck races. I don't think I'm watching next year either. 501. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Only Edwards was able to get by. Damn it. 502. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Score win #3 for the Vulture this year. 503. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another victory for "The Vulture". At least this time he definitively had one of the best cars. Shocked as all hell to see Johnson have problems in the last couple of laps. 504. Jim Davis posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Anyway Ask.com says Jamie is 5'5"." If Little is 5' 5" then Algaier is 4' 10". 505. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) lol, Kurt and Jeff are irritated. 506. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congrats to Harvick. Wish KU. Busch would have won, like really badly. But you can't have everything in life. Johnson dropped for some weird reason on the last lap. At least it didn't wreck himself or others. And i'm pretty sure that htis race set the next record for cautions in a Kansas Race. Well, I'm off. See ya next week for Charlotte! 507. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (4) (3) Lol, Johnson still 6th. Never anything but roses for him. Jeff whining as usual. 508. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (6) (3) The Felon must have ordered NASCAR to tell everyone to slow down on the last lap so Johnson didn't lose too many spots. They'll probably lose a big chunk of their paycheck though since Edwards got by. In all seriousness, if that had just happened a lap earlier, it may very well be Chase over for Johnson. 509. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Everyone seems to be ticked, except for Harvick. 510. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jeff is fourth in points? Jeez 511. Peter posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ....And the collapse begins 512. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The 43 and 15 tangle. 513. 83andJoe posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Jimmie Johnson Memorial Golden Horseshoe strikes again. Timmy Hill beats Stenica for his second rookie of the race award. 514. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) the next race is Charlotte, which Jimmie will win, Keseth TuRD engines will possibly show up congratulations to Jimmie for winning his 6th title 515. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "If Little is 5' 5" then Algaier is 4' 10" " Allgaier lists himself at 5'6". He could be fibbing a little so he's not seen as such a little man. Jamie may wear inserts in her shoes, or heels. Lol, who knows. Maybe it was a bad Metric to English translation. OH OH FIGHT FIGHT!!! Lol Jeff and Kurt. Good for Harvick. Glad to see Jimbo fall back, which leads to another crazy conspiracy theory: Dale Jr slowed too and held up everyone behind him so Jimmie would only lose 1 or 2 spots at most. 516. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I loved Kurt Busch's interview, & I'm a Jeff Gordon fan. Go Kurt! 517. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Gordon: "It wouldn't be a NASCAR race without me whining to somebody afterwards" 518. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Glad to see Jimbo fall back," He lost one spot... "which leads to another crazy conspiracy theory: Dale Jr slowed too and held up everyone behind him so Jimmie would only lose 1 or 2 spots at most." Nice theory. Too bad the nearest competitor was 2 seconds behind him. 519. DB1995 posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) awesome job by RPM 2 cars 2 top 10s 520. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (4) (4) Someone tell Gordon to Shut Up and Race for a change. 521. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) On the post-race rundown, SportsCenter listed Brian Vickers as a "notable." When did Vickers become notable? 522. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Gordon's just mad cause he won't get a belly rub from Rick. He failed to pull off the track and blend in between the 48 and the 20 on the last lap. 523. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) im not trying to start anything or trying to beat a dead horse. I thought Fox used to have a sports channel, it was called FSN what happened to FSN? if i'm wrong then who did "The Best Damn Sports Show, Peroid?" 524. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) nice job for Jeff Gordon! Get' em at Concord 525. jabber1990 posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "On the post-race rundown, SportsCenter listed Brian Vickers as a "notable." When did Vickers become notable?' I took a "screenshot" of it. Danica Patrick 43rd was Notable? 526. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "im not trying to start anything or trying to beat a dead horse. I thought Fox used to have a sports channel, it was called FSN what happened to FSN? if i'm wrong then who did "The Best Damn Sports Show, Peroid?"" FSN is a regional network that usually shows college sports. There's an FSN South, an FSN West, and several others I think. "I took a "screenshot" of it. Danica Patrick 43rd was Notable?" Well Danica's notable because she's probably the most well-known driver by casual or non-fans. Either that, or it could be an inside joke like how they used to always list Dick Trickle. 527. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Glad to see Jimbo fall back," "He lost one spot..." One spot or 30, he lost points. It minimized Kenseth's problem and kept him from taking the lead this week. We have no way of knowing how much of a difference it will make in 6 weeks, but weird things happen in the Chase. Vickers must have become a "notable" after spin gate. I finally saw video of the IndyCar series crash in Houston. Yikes. 528. TS1420 posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Woohoo! WTG Harvick! Winning the race and getting closer into title contention. Hopefully Happy can score the championship this year as a nice parting gift for RCR. Pretty decent race. Still just a typical clean-air aerofest parade at 1.5 mile cookie cutter, only aided by mixed strategies, restarts & on track shenanigans. But it figures Jimmie Johnson once again has the only car that can make consistent passes lap after lap in an aerofest parade. Luckily Jimmie was his normal great self on restarts, Chad made a call to keep Jimmie on pit-road longer than necessary, and he had an engine? issue with 2 to go (to bad it wasn't on lap 2) Of course JGR had to crap the bed this race and give up a bunch of points to Nap-Time. Luckily Kenseth didn't lose too much, but this is "The 2013 Dominator of 1.5 Milers", especially the LasKanTuckyLand Tri-Oval variety. He should have gave up no points barring a TuRD aided malfunction. And of course, we get another Kansas Chase Bed Ruining Crap performance by Kyle Busch with a trifecta of spins accumulating in a race ending crash. I give the race a 6.5/10 529. David posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly what happened with Jeff Gordon and Kurt Busch? 530. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry, but the aptly named Vulture was in rare, rare form this weekend and deserved this win more so than any team at Kansas. The Golden Horseshoe Series continues at CMS... for the #48 team at least. Brian Vickers is a notable on ESPN Sportcenter due to his recent past. 531. TS1420 posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Another thing I'd like to add. What the hell was the 2 team thinking. I know they are just going for wins now, but there is a difference between going broke for wins and being just plain stupid and running yourselves out of fuel with 50-40 laps to go. I think another reason the 2 team has suffered is that Paul Wolfe bought into the hype that he is on par with Chad Knaus and now thinks he is untouchable. 532. Bloop posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Good to see both Richard Petty Motorsports cars finish in the top 10. 533. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) "Exactly what happened with Jeff Gordon and Kurt Busch?" Racing, which is no-no in Jeff's book. He has two rules of racing: 1) Everybody except Jimmie Johnson shall roll over for me, regardless of how I race them 2) When Jimmie Johnson is near me, I must roll over immediately 534. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Peyton Manning just threw an ill advised interception. Somebody needs to tell him it isn't the playoffs yet. 535. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Double file restarts are fine for the ovals but need to be done away with on the road courses. I know this is a oval race but I saw where people were talking about restarts. 536. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) No need to fret DaleSrFanForever, Peyton will throw as many touchdowns as Eli will interceptions at this rate... on a positive note, the vaunted Cincinnati defense shut down Diva Tom and his pickup Patriots early. Brees' 55 consecutive game with at least one TD is safe thanks to the Bengals. 537. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) See, this Denver/Dallas games illustrates the difference between a choke artist like Romo and a brainless schmuck like Kyle Busch. Romo has played great, just threw his fourth TD pass of the day to go ahead in the 4th quarter. He gives his teams a chance. Now because it is the regular season and he is facing Peyton, he will, in the end, throw a horribly back breaking pick to ruin what could be a signature win for them. But they'll be in the hunt in the end. Kyle can't even make 4 races without a meltdown. Despite his flaws, Romo >>>>> KyBu. 538. BON GORDON posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Of course DSFF takes any opportunity he can to attack Gordon. He really wasn't whining, lets be honest. The person he confronted after the race does a lot more of that and rips his team apart if his car doesn't handle right. Act like Dale Sr. never complained when he got a taste of his own medicine. Good job by Gordon. I hope he just keeps rolling off the great finishes. Whine or not he's a legend. 539. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, what would happen if, hypothetically, Peyton and Romo met in the playoffs? Would both teams just spontaneously combust? 540. 18fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF, you do realize you are comparing a season to a single game, right? 541. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, what would happen if, hypothetically, Peyton and Romo met in the playoffs? Would both teams just spontaneously combust?" One of the two QBs would go down in the fourth quarter and the backup will rally the offense through a combination of dink and dunk plays for the win. 542. Eric posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin now has as many career cup wins as Denny Hamlin and Terry labonte. Kevin is now 1 career cup win away from tying the "rooster" Ricky Rudd. Yes, the same Ricky Rudd that was ready to beat the crap out of Kevin in 2003 at Richmond. 543. 18fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Romo just pulled a Tony Romo in what had been his best career game. 544. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And there it is. Romo just threw a Romo. 545. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wonder what Coach Joe Gibbs thinks about Kyle Busch cameoing for the Cowboys right there. Must be sort of conflicting, on one hand, your driver is out there for your longtime team's rival, but on the other, he's causing them to lose. 546. TS1420 posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Romo doing what Romo does best. 547. 18fan posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Now because it is the regular season and he is facing Peyton, he will, in the end, throw a horribly back breaking pick to ruin what could be a signature win for them. But they'll be in the hunt in the end." Pretty much spot on right there. 548. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Honestly, DSFF I know you have a vast amount of racing knowledge and I have respect for that, but I literally cannot take you seriously on this site most of the time. Do you actually believe even a quarter of the crap that you say? If you do, that's preposterous. With that said, I'm not entirely sure what Jeff was upset with after the race. Also, someone said they would like to see a top/bottom 10 list for ACTIVE (must have run at least half of all races since 2010) drivers, well here it is... Top 10 (entire career) 1. Jeff Gordon 2. Jimmie Johnson 3. Tony Stewart 4. Mark Martin 5. Matt Kenseth 6. Bobby Labonte 7. Kevin Harvick 8. Kurt Busch 9. Kyle Busch 10. Dale Earnhardt Jr. Top 10 (since 2010) 1. Jimmie Johnson 2. Tony Stewart 3. Brad Keselowki 4. Denny Hamlin 5. Matt Kenseth 6. Kevin Harvick 7. Carl Edwards 8. Jeff Gordon 9. Kyle Busch 10. Clint Bowyer I'd have to do more research before I gave a bottom 10 list. 549. Anonymous posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 12 different leaders! 550. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting note: if Harvick somehow manages to win championship (and I, for one, am not counting him out), it will be third year in a row that a team will win the championship and then experience some sort of major change between the end of the season and the start of the next. 2011: #14 Stewart-Haas team loses Darian Grubb as crew chief 2012: #2 Penske team switches from Dodge to Ford. If one really wanted to make a leap, they could also include the changes Hendrick made between 2010 and 2011 when they switched crew chiefs around and changed shops and all that, though the #48 team was the least affected out of all that. 551. GDR29 posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great weekend for the 29 car. They made some good calls after getting caught on the first debris caution, got their track position back, and got the victory. Would be nice to sweep the season at Charlotte. 552. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Zack, Jeff was probably most upset about being run down the track and almost onto the apron on the backstretch when trying to pass Kurt after one of the many restarts, and Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett echoed those sentiments at the time that happened. There was no reason why Kurt ran him down like that. Sure, Jeff used the air from his car to loosen Kurt's car up, but that's fair game. And Jeff learned that trick from the master, Dale, Sr., and even used it against him. Dale never complained one bit about it, because he knew how often he used that tactic, so he thought it was fair game when it was used against him. But quite a number of the drivers today complain when other loosen them up without ever touching them. That's another part of what I mean by drivers not liking being raced hard. That's hard racing, but also clean racing. But what's not fair is getting run down the track on the straightaway needlessly, and that's what Jeff was most upset about. 553. Daniel posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) so far the best racing of the year for true fans like me 554. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't look back now, but after this race, this is the fourth time in Kurt Busch's career that he has had double digit (at least 10) amount of top 5's in a single year. (2002, 2004, 2009 & now 2013). You can say these 4 years have been Kurt's best. 1) Strong ending to the 2002 season(winning 3 of the last 5 which includes a Martinsville win in a Roush Ford) 12 top 5's is his career high. 2) Championship team in 2004 beating Jimmie Johnson & Jeff Gordon (Crazy ending but great job Kurt) 3) Hendrick Motorsports swept the top 3 in the standings. Kurt was the best non-HMS driver 4) This year after making Furniture Row Racing the first single car team to make the chase! Each of the first 3 points I've mentioned, he has also managed to score 20 or 21 top 10's. He would need to finish top 10 in all but 1 of the rest of the races to keep that flow going. (Only have 15 with 6 races remaining this year). Unfortunately I don't see it happening but anything can happen. He may not have the most "amazing" career, compared to other driver's Cup Champions, but he definitely has an interesting storied one. 555. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, to 12345Dude...while I don't believe he will win three more championships, I do agree that Kurt Busch is going to have a year next year like Matt Kenseth has had this year. We all know Kurt is one of the best drivers just based on pure talent. Combine that with Hendrick horsepower and a team that is like a mixture of Gibbs/Penske/DEI and I think you're going to have a winning combination. 556. Eric posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) When I look at Kurt's career, you have to wonder what Kurt would have done if his head was on straight based on the talent he has. This year shows what type of Talent Kurt Busch has since he is having the best season for a cup driver on a single car team since Bobby Labonte had in 1998. JGR didn't have a 2 cup team operation before 1999. The fact is the last single car teams that finished in the top 10 in points was in 1998 with Bobby Labonte being 6th in points and Bobby Hamilton Sr. 10 in points. JGR was in their final year as a single car team in 1998 and 1998 was Morgan Mcclure's last season in the top 10 in points. The fact is Kurt is only 1 top 5 away from Bobby Labonte's 1998 total and 3 top 10's away from tying Bobby Labonte's 1998 season. The only thing Kurt is missing from Bobby Labonte's 1998 season is wins. 557. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thumbs up on Eric. Excellent summary. The year is getting closer & closer to its conclusion, Kurt doesn't have enough time to keep finishing 2nd or 3rd. He's got to get one soon for FRR. I'd like to see it occur at Homestead, to go out with an actual bang. 558. JG24FanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jeff Gordon surpasses Big E in career Top 10's with his 429th. Gordon also tied Mark Martin for the Modern record of Top 8 finishes with his 388th. 305th career Top 5 finish for Gordon too. 559. Sector posted: 10.06.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, to note, that just like his car number, Jeff Gordon is 24 top 10's away from tying Mark Martin for the record setting top 10's as well for Modern Era. 560. Scott. B posted: 10.06.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Toyotas in the top-10 finishers, Matt Kenseth comes home 11th. 561. 12345Dude posted: 10.06.2013 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) @ David How was this a good race? I try to never or very rarely complain about the racing in NASCAR but this is just awful. Was this race good because a lot of people wrecked and spun out? That's because NASCAR brought this new tire to the race. I've heard 10 billion times from drivers in races that once your in the middle of the pack your like every other car. Your nothing special, your like a 20th place car. And when your leading your unbeatable. Un-touch able. No one can beat you. How is that racing? 95% of this is track position now. It's a matter of clean air vs. no clean air. The only time you see passes that are not on pit road or double file re-starts (already mentioned on here why they are un-fair 4th place is WAY better than 2nd and 3rd, it's all about which line. Brad was angry at Talladega that he started 10th rather than 11th on the final re-start. Isn't 10th before 11th in a race?) is when the driver making the pass is so great and so un-beatable they fly by the guy they are passing. Why do they fly by the guy they are passing and it's not even a contest? Because it's impossible to pass and if someone actually does pass during a green flag run, then there car is 10 million times better than anyone else (maybe other than 1 other person racing), and it's no contest. If you enjoy the racing, then I am sorry if it sounds like I am attacking you. I'm just very upset with the state of NASCAR. To everyone on here who can't stand this sprint cup racing. Watch the truck series. Not only does the truck series have phenomenal racing. But it has beyond phenomenal racing on intermediate/cookie cutter tracks! You could argue they have there best racing on those tracks! Chicagoland: Logano vs. Keselowski was insane! People won't watch because of the cup guys. Well there in their own equipment. It's not a big deal. They bring attendance and new fans to the series. They help these series a ton, if they aren't running for cup teams. Which they aren't. So get over it. Because the racing is insane. I understand that the races are on Friday/Saturday. If your busy you can record it. But if you can't I can see a huge problem there. Basically if you can watch the races, watch them! Which leads me to another point. Why can't the nationwide series and cup series run the trucks? Why not? Kyle has a huge advantage from experience, fine. Cut the season to 24 races, and let the drivers test the trucks before the start of the season. (Absence makes every race a must see, more hype into the sport = more people at track = better ratings. Attendance awful now? Instead of 2 races at these tracks per year have 1, the stands will look a lot better.) Give TONS of extra points for winning and leading laps. I mean TONS. Every race for the lead people are sliding all over each other, doing everything humanely possible to win. No-one wants to give up the lead because the leading lap bonus points are so valuable. Add Iowa and Road America and IRP to the schedule. Get rid of Indianapolis, and Chicagoland. Daytona is the only track that get's 2 dates. Get rid of all-star race. And get rid of the chase. Also create a points system that doesn't destroy you if you wreck. The title hunt is boring? Win 3 races and people get back into. Jeez no-one is thinking about the title hunt after race 15 @ Michigan right. WRONG. After that there is only 9 races left. The title battle is always important because the season is short enough. 24 races equals excitement and energy for every race. And run the trucks! Also shorten the races. And make double file re-starts fair. @ Zackary Shawn Yes exactly. The guy is a freak of nature in setting up the car. Just ask Brad Keselowski or Kevin Harvick. Everyone is going to be surprised what he will do. For the record I think Kurt is more talented than Kyle. 562. 12345Dude posted: 10.06.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I meant Busch vs. Keselowski in the truck series race at Chicagoland. 563. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.06.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I have never really liked Kurt Busch, but I predict a strong year from him next year. I have seen him drive a car that wasn't quite right to good finishes in lots of races over the years (albeit probably in a rage due to frustration over how bad his car handled judging what we've seen from his radio chatter on YouTube, lol). I also look at how many different crew chiefs he has won races with and realize that he is INSANELY talented. I hope next year he can keep his head on right and keep his mature poise that he has shown this year, because I'd like to see what he could do with all of his focus into a situation where he has great equipment. 564. Schroeder51 posted: 10.06.2013 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While I agree that I would like to see some significant changes done for the Cup series next year, those changes are WAAAAAAAAAAAY too radical. Seriously, turning the Cup Series into the Truck series? No offense meant, but I don't think changes that radical would work for the better. 565. Matt posted: 10.06.2013 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is it just me or is it something about these cars..when someone gets spun sideways it like stalls itself sideways and wont spin all the way around? No one "spins out" really they all slide sideways then the car like saves itself back straight kinda. Just an observation didnt know if anyone else saw this. Like for example kyle busch's spin off of montoya I wouldve though wouldve spun the car all the way around but with this car it just doesnt... 566. murb posted: 10.06.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Why can't the nationwide series and cup series run the trucks? Why not?" Because they aren't the Truck Series. 567. David posted: 10.06.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@ David How was this a good race? I try to never or very rarely complain about the racing in NASCAR but this is just awful. Was this race good because a lot of people wrecked and spun out? That's because NASCAR brought this new tire to the race. I've heard 10 billion times from drivers in races that once your in the middle of the pack your like every other car. Your nothing special, your like a 20th place car. And when your leading your unbeatable. Un-touch able. No one can beat you. How is that racing? 95% of this is track position now. It's a matter of clean air vs. no clean air..." Huh? I think you're responding to Daniel here, not me. 568. JG24FanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) John Force now has a huge 65 point lead, with 2 races to go, after taking his second consecutive win and 137th career. Yes! Gordon Top 3 and a Force win!! 569. ch posted: 10.06.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sponsor Changes: 33 - Circle Sport 87 - Calvert's Express Auto Service & Tire 88 - Time Warner Cable / Hendrickcars.com 570. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.06.2013 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "John Force now has a huge 65 point lead, with 2 races to go, after taking his second consecutive win and 137th career." Hell Yeah! #16pack 571. cjs3872 posted: 10.06.2013 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) The reason the racing is so pitiful on this kind of track is because the cars are going too fast, and it will remain that way until the cars are slowed down about 15 MPH. One thing slowing the cars down will do is reduce the area where the aero-push comes in. As I've said, it will always be there, but by slowing the cars down, you reduce the amount of distance behind the cars where the aero-push kicks in. And of course, the cars can't race side-by-side because the inside car can't avoid getting loose. That's also caused by aerodynamics and speed, as the faster the cars go, the more aero-dependent they get. It should come as no surprise that the aero-push is worse this year than it's ever been. That's because the cars are going faster than they've ever gone before, which in turn means that you're covering more ground in a lesser amount of time. As a result, the cars catch the dirty air from a greater distance behind, which results in the not being able to close in on the car head of them, as the aero-push seems to kick in from at least 6-8 car lengths behind, or between 0.5 and 0.75 seconds behind the car in front, if not more. And we're seeing aero-push even become a factor at road courses (note Jeff Gordon's crash at Watkins Glen, for instance). And for purists, I hate to say it, but I'm not sure some form of engine restriction isn't a bad idea for these high-speed tracks, possibly even the dreaded restrictor plates, which have been used at these kind of tracks before back in the 1970s, and there was pretty good racing because the speeds were lower. Consider that when Buddy Baker set the existing race record for the Daytona 500 in 1980, his engine, which was the most powerful in the field, was making about 620 HP. Now, they're making about 900 HP and running as fast, if not faster at the high-banked 1.5 mile tracks now as Buddy Baker did when he sat on the pole for the 1979 Daytona 500. Think about that for a minute. Kyle Busch qualified at 196.299 MPH at the most recent race at Texas and Denny Hamlin qualified at 195.624 MPH for the Coca-Cola 600 earlier this year. Buddy Baker qualified for the pole position for the 1979 Daytona 500 with a speed of 196.049 MPH with an unrestricted engine of the exact same size that is used now. In other words, Kyle Busch qualified for the race at Texas earlier this year with a faster speed on a 1.5 mile track than Buddy Baker ran on a resurfaced track with much longer straightaways with the same sized engine in 1979. And if this continues, the racing will not get any better. 572. Cornys posted: 10.06.2013 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Better racing is an easy thing to obtain even with the same engine package. 1. Scrapp the splitter in place of an indent at the bottom (basically the oppisite of what is there now). Clean air will generate less downforce rather than more as it is with the current package. This doesn't need to be a drastic indent, but it does need to have some level of effect. This will reduce speeds. 2. Cut the spoiler to reduce downforce to the rear to compenstae for the loss of downforce on the front. This will also reduce speeds. 3. Soften the tires. This will be easy to do after completing steps 1 and 2. It must seem like some sort of rocket science to te NASCAR R&D center. 573. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) No Zachary, I just type random stuff out and post it. Of course I think about it. I talk about what I see. I could tell from Lap 1 Kyle was trying to wreck himself. And I could see only the 48 car could drive up to cars in traffic and not only pull under them to pass but do it easily. Is he just that much better than EVERYONE? Is he the only one out there who knows how to drive under people. Even Harvick, who dominated, couldn't pass in traffic. Or is it all car? But since I'm being accused of talking out of my ass, here are some controversial opinions of mine: -Joe Gibbs needs to fire Kyle Busch. The guy simply doesn't get it and obviously never will. Opening the chase with finishes of 2nd, 2nd, and 5th and you STILL have a meltdown weekend? He will give you more bad than good. Even the New Mature Kyle can't deliver anything. He is as lovable as hugging a porcupine. Time to give up on him. -Kurt Busch will kick ass next year and piss a lot of people off. Not directly by his behavior either. I think these two years have calmed him, focused him. But look at what he has done with an RCR satellite team. He hasn't been very far off Harvick's pace and he is in RCR's #1 car. What happens when they are in equal equipment? He will destroy Harvick and The Vulture won't be happy about it. After 13 years as the alpha dog, being the third best driver on his team will eat away at him. But the guys who will really be pissed are Johnson and Gordon. With Kurt able to run their setups, they will feel slighted (all those two ever do is whine about being slighted) as Kurt runs faster than them cause he is better. Throw in each having a history with Kurt, with Kurt never being afraid to do what the reat of the farage is terrified of, roughing them up, he is in their heads already. With him sharing their notebook, they will not be happy. -Matt Kenseth should be rated higher historically than Jimmie Johnson. Oh yeah, I said it. Jimmie has 5 championships, but that is only half of HMS' total. The Felon has won 10 of the last 18 championships, with his satellite team taking an 11th in 2011. Roush Racing started just 4 years after HMS but only has two titles. And RFR has beem in flux through Matt's entire tenure there. He had 9 different teammates there and the even had half the ownership change hands. He fought sponsorship issues and a rotating cast of crew chiefs, 5 total. Also he had Carl fight him every step of the way, eventually pulling a power play to make him the face of Ford and Roush. Jimmie never has had any of that. In fact, from day 1, they pushed aside Jeff Gordon, fresh off 4 titles in 7 years, so JJ could be #1 over there to appease Lowes. Yet Matt carved out 24 wins and a championship to go along with 5 additional Top 5 points finishes with Roush. Now Matt, at 41, makes the switch to Gibbs, and reels off 7 wins so far. And he has a 3 point lead over JJ despite him finishing 4th, 4th, 1st, and 6th. What if the roles were reversed? If JJ were in Matt's shoes, he couldn't have accomplished what Matt has in a million years. -Rubens Barr... er... Jeff Gordon needs to go ahead and hang it up. The once white hot burning competitive flame is all but out. All he is gonna do is hurt his historical standing. From the moment JJ showed up he has declined. Watching him just roll over like a trained dog for JJ week after week while whining even worse than normal for him for those who dare race him, even if they pull the exact move he pulled earlier (Carl at Atlanta) is just sad. All he will do by hanging around is lower his once insane winning % and make those 90s glory days seem like ages ago. Now is a good time for him. He made the chase* again this year and is having one of his best Fall performances of his career (not saying a whole lot). 574. Cornys posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Note: On step #1 above the ident mentioned at the bottom of the front end of the car could basically be the same car that we have currently, but without the lip (splitter) that catches air and creates downforce. Without the splitter the car would essentially just create drag with the front end. Only the windshild, hood and spoiler would create downforce this way. 575. Neal posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'm pretty sure I could complete one lap without crashing. Just sayin' 576. 12345Dude posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) But CJS we had the same problems with the slower Car of Tomorrow. Not as bad, but still very, very, very bad. But Shroeder why not? The truck series racing is so good, and the cup series racing is so bad. Your point that the changes are insanely drastic, and I somewhat agree with that. It's a HUGE change. But things need to change. And it starts with what's on the track. Murb so it's not the truck series, so... I understand that it would be hard to get used to running trucks after running stock cars since the beginning. And the cost especially with the new cars. And I know it sounds un-realistic. But something needs to change. Also RCRPenske Racing David Reuitmann in an interview said forget about winning races the difference between a good a bad team will determine contending for top 5s and top 10 vs. being competitive at all. Proper team chemistry is the key to having a good team. Now imagine Kurt Busch screaming at his team, yelling, having fits, to the point where all his teammates hated him. Now imagine Kurt growing up and team and him working as 1. + His talent + Hendrick equipment + Brad Keselowski and Kevin Harvick praising Kurt for his complete knowledge of setting up a car I'm telling you watch out for Kurt Busch with Stewart Haas. 577. 12345Dude posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry David I meant Daniel your right. 578. 12345Dude posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One more thing while I'm on the Kurt Busch love train (also I really need to learn to post all my thoughts in one post. I always come up with a lot more stuff after I post) Kevin Harvick was asked in post race media interviews after his 2nd win this year, why he was doing so much better. This was Kevin's answer Kurt Busch and his knowledge of the cars is the difference and why RCR is doing better. End of answer. 579. cjs3872 posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are you sure replacing the splitter with the old-style air dam will reduce downforce, Cornys, because to me, that would actually make the front end MORE aerodynamic because it would actually go through the wind easier without the resistance of something hanging out from it. That would actually make the car go even faster. I believe that's one reason they began using the splitter with the last car they used, because the shape of the nose actually made the car go through the wind easier. Of course, one thing the splitter was intended to do was keep small debris (bags/hot dog wrappers, tire rubber, etc.) from going under the cars when it's run over, which could cause a problem, and for the most part, it has done that. And getting rid of the splitter certainly wouldn't do anything about the speeds, and reducing rear downforce would only make the cars undriveable at those speeds, especially when a car tries to pass on the inside, and they're borderline undriveable in that situation as it is, so what you're proposing would only make that situation worse and cause even more wrecks than what was witnessed at Kansas today. 580. 18fan posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) While the racing on intermediates is pretty bad everywhere (I'm fully expecting a Charlotte Aero Parade Saturday night), it is worse on newly paved tracks. And Kansas has been a disaster since it was repaved. This race was horrible. There was never a flow, tires were pretty much a non-factor, and clean air was more important than it's been all year. Clean air will always exist and be a factor, but when the dominant car (Harvick) can't pass a car that was garbage and running mid-20s (Kyle), it's over the top. If cars other than the 48 could have come through traffic more, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. But since there was little passing outside of the 48 under green, I feel like this could be considered a bottom three race of the season, and rival Phoenix for the worst non-plate race of the season. 581. 12345Dude posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) But 18fan doesn't it feel like all races are like this now? At Richmond tons of drivers were complaining about clean vs. dirty air. Once you got stuck in the back you had no where to go. 582. 18fan posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes they all are like this but this one seemed especially bad to me. 583. Eric posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Part of the problem with the passing is a combination of hard tires and the size of the fuel cells. The fuel cells even 10 year ago were bigger before NASCAR stepped in starting with the plate races. NASCAR at the time made the statement they did it because they wanted the pit crew to be involved in having a car winning the race. The hard tire issue is caused by the mess Humpy Wheeler caused at Charlotte in 2005 and there also is the 2008 tire fiasco at Indy along with the new surfaces the tracks have. 584. 12345Dude posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah I know what you mean. I felt that way about Charlotte this year. Before that I kind of dealt with it and didn't really complain because I love watching NASCAR so much. It's just kind of drained me though. 585. 18fan posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another thing I didn't like was that it really didn't matter what tires you had that you could stay up front. I'm okay with races where two tires to gain track position can be somewhat effective, but when cars with two tires and/or cars staying out on older tires and pulling away from cars with four or with newer tires, then you know there is a problem, which can be attributed to harder tires, and the hardest tires are used on recently paved racetracks. 586. Eric posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, The gen 5 was designed for slower speeds and passing was very difficult and that proved it wasn't enough. The fact is at some track even in the late 1990's had problems with aerodynamics with the gen 4 cars. Lets remember that was a lot of politicking with the noses of the cars in the late 1990's and early 2000's. The aero push really started to show up at the 1995 Brickyard 400 when the cars were much slower at the time. That also meant you claim of speeds doesn't hold water as much as the aerodynamics of the cars besides the horsepower. 587. kup posted: 10.07.2013 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Manufacturer Titles Chevrolet 36 [last in 2012] Ford 15 [last in 2002] Toyota 0 Manufacturer Championships year, manufacturer, wins (number of champs)[if not most] 2012 Chevrolet, 15 (36) 2011 Chevrolet, 18 (35) 2010 Chevrolet, 18 (34) 2009 Chevrolet, 18 (33) 2008 Chevrolet, 11 (32) 2007 Chevrolet, 26 (31) 2006 Chevrolet, 23 (30) 2005 Chevrolet, 17 (29) 2004 Chevrolet, 22 (28) 2003 Chevrolet, 19 (27) 2002 Ford, 14 (15) 588. Mr X posted: 10.07.2013 - 1:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Personally I thought 2011 was the worst year for aero-push, Las Vegas? Kentucky? Both races at Loudon? Fall race at Charlotte, remember those god awful races. I never looked at 2011 to brightly I guess. The only thing separating 2012 and 2013 is the few highlights that 2011 had, Atlanta, Phoenix, Watkins Glen and a few underdog winners from time to time, but even those were mostly won on strategy. CJS, I'm not sure engine restrictions would do anything to help the aero issues, whilst lessening engine power would certainly help slow overall lap speeds, the issue is in the corner, not down the straights. Unless you were to reduce the power levels to a level where the cars couldn't even achieve the mid corner speeds at the end of the straight, the aero issues in the corner won't change, and given that the mid corner speeds in race trim at most itermediates sits between 150 and 170 mph you would have to cut down power levels to between 300 and 400hp, which in my eyes would eliminate any remaining respect that NASCAR drivers have in the sports world. At that level anyone with a modified 4th Gen F-Body(1993-2002 Camaro or Firebird) or a Mustang could show up to a NASCAR event and be competitive. It would be hard to sell NASCAR driver's as athlete's when the cars that they drive were slower then several dozen cars that can be purchased from a dealership for less then $100,000 by anyone with a drivers licence. My personal belief is that to sell drivers as professional racing drivers as athletes, the car has to be more than most people could handle. The 2000 Restrictor Plate race at Loudon was an experiment that should never be tried again. In Formula One because of the extreme levels of downforce and the tires lap speeds at most tracks are getting close to the speeds achieved by the V10 powered cars of 1996-2005, with most of those times being set towards the end of that period, these day at a few tracks the V8 cars are even exceeding the pace of the V10 cars, though mostly at the tighter tracks. All despite the fact that the cars power levels are as low as they have been since 1988-1992. Monza is really the only major exception to this, frankly as much as I hate to say it most of the overtaking in F1 these days is related to the DRS, KERS, and in general the extreme aero drag of the F1 cars, it's a huge load lifted off the cars when drafting. Nico Rosberg made that very apparent when his front wing failed in Korea yesterday. Honestly though I think one of the biggest problems in NASCAR is the way that the teams require little to no compromise in the car setup to make the car run well around the track. From a car setup stand point there is virtually nothing that can be done to a car to make if faster in one area without slowing it down in another, most of the current tracks in NASCAR are similar and are or are very close to being symmetric, as a result what works in turns 1 and 2 is likely to be right on or very close to the mark in 3 and 4, most straights are similar in length, the speed range during a lap is very small, 200ish entering the turn, 160ish through the middle. The range of what the car has to be able to do is very narrow at most intermediates, there's no shifting at most tracks, and its overrated at Pocono, given that it's only between 3rd and 4th and the ratios are extremely close, and the gearboxes can handle shifting without a clutch, again the close ratios reduce the abuse. The tires don't loose much speed, the fuel load accounts for a smaller weight percentage of the car, the loads on the car hardly change between certain corners on the track. The best thing about racing exclusively on road courses or short tracks is that the loads on the car change a lot more drastically, as a result the car's behaviour changes as such. Because an F1 car produces several times its own weight in downforce, the car has to have incredibly firm spring rates simply to endure the loads, however the result is that once the downforce levels are reduced, the car's suspension is way to firm to allow any weight transfer in any direction. This explains why an F1 car is glued to the track at 150mph, yet slides around at 30mph. This is NASCAR's biggest issue. My personal opinion is that the driver really doesn't account for much when the car is handling perfectly, it's when the handling deviates that the driver really starts to make a difference IMO. 589. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:48 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Why can't the nationwide series and cup series run the trucks? Why not?" I don't know. Why doesn't the truck series run the Nationwide or Sprint Cup cars? It's because that's not what the truck series is about and the same applies in reverse. One of the best moves I think the Nationwide Series made in recent years was when they redesigned their car to further distinguish it form the ones currently AND previously run in the Cup series. If they all use the same vehicle, none of the series have any identity. The last thing any of the lower series need right now is lack of identity. Anyway, I can't think of any scenario where the manufacturers would ever approve running trucks in all three series...If you were the VP of Marketing for Toyota, General Motors, or Ford would you ever pitch that idea to your boss with a straight face? "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" still applies. If it didn't the manufacturers would have yanked support a long time ago (pray that day never comes). Why would they give up one of the best marketing avenues for their vehicles? Anyway, here are some other notes form the race... Charlotte is the next race. In May, Kenseth and Johnson both had uninspiring runs. Harvick won. If history repeats itself the Championship picture could be blown off the hinges heading into Talladega. Can you say edge of your seat excitement? Secondly, I'm not counting Harvick out of this title hunt. If he manages to pull it off, in terms of continuity and succession (and I'll probably receive a lot of hate for this) it would be the #29 RCR team's 7th championship and first in 19 years dating all the way back to 1994 when it was the #3 and Dale Earnhardt still drove it. Unless I'm miscounting, that would move them into a tie with the #43 Petty Enterprises team for most championships by team. Even though Matt Kenseth was my pre-season pick, I really want to see Harvick pull off the championship and I think it could happen. Thirdly, like it or not (and I'm one of those who happens to really like it) Austin Dillon is coming to Sprint Cup to succeed Harvick and the number is going to be switched back to the #3. Austin Dillon also has an excellent opportunity to add the Nationwide championship to his resume to go along with the truck championship he won in 2011. Assuming he manages to pull it off he would become the 5th driver to win a championship in more than one of NASCAR's major series* (Bobby Labonte: Nationwide 1991, Cup 2000; Johnny Benson Jr.: Nationwide 1995, Trucks 2008; Greg Biffle: Trucks 2000, Nationwide 2002; Brad Keselowski: Nationwide 2010, Cup 2012). I have been waiting for someone to finally sweep all three series titles since Biffle joined Cup full time in 2003 (which is why I am a big proponent of Bobby Labonte dropping to the Truck Series and seeing what he could do there). I think Austin is very capable of winning a Cup championship. Combine that with the fact that the #3/29 RCR car has a chance to establish itself as perhaps the greatest team in NASCAR history and I think Austin Dillon's career will be one to watch with great interest. The people who dislike Dillon or hold a grudge against him for running the #3 are really going to miss out on something special, I think. *side note: if Harvick pulls off the Cup championship this year, he would also join this list having already won Nationwide titles in 2001 and 2006. 590. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:35 am Rate this comment: (5) (0) "Joe Gibbs needs to fire Kyle Busch." So you're going on the record saying that Gibbs should fire the driver who has won him the second most races in organization history behind only Stewart's 33 wins for Gibbs. Eventually, Kyle Busch will hit his stride. Getting rid of him would be one of the biggest boneheaded moves in racing history. "The Felon has won 10 of the last 18 championships, with his satellite team taking an 11th in 2011." See, this is what I was talking about. I have to question just how much thought anybody who says Stewart-Haas Racing is a satellite team to Hendrick Motorsports has actually given it. Tony Stewart/Gene Haas buy engines and chassises from Rick Hendrick. In the U.S., when you buy something, it becomes your property. Being a satellite team implies that Hendrick is putting money into Stewart-Haas or the have some shared personnel when in reality the exact opposite is happening. But let's look at some more facts: 1) Hendrick is sponsored by Quaker State and will soon be sponsored by Valvoline. Stewart-Haas has Mobil 1. Why would someone allow their satellite team to have such a blatant conflict of interest? 2) Let's look at the team leaders there: -Competition director: Greg Zippadelli, for Joe Gibbs Racing championship crew chief -Crew Chief #10: Tony Gibson, former Dale Earnhardt Inc.* crew chief -Driver #10: Danica Patrick, former IndyCar driver -Crew Chief #14: Steve Addington, former Joe Gibbs Racing and Penske Racing crew chief -Driver #14: Tony Stewart, former IndyCar champion, former Joe Gibbs Racing champion -Crew Chief #39: Matt Borland, former Penske Racing, Michael Waltrip Racing*, and Haas CNC Racing crew chief -Driver #39: Ryan Newman, former Penske Racing driver -Future Crew Chief #4-Rodney Childrers, former Michael Waltrip Racing* crew chief -Future Driver #4-Kevin Harvick, current Richard Childress Racing driver -Future Driver #41-Kurt Busch, former Roush Fenway Racing champion, former Penske Racing and Phoenix Racing driver, current Furniture Row Racing driver* * Dale Earnhardt Inc. had obvious inspiration from Childress and Furniture Row has a direct alliance with them. Also, Michael Waltrip Racing obviously drew heavy inspiration from the way DEI was run while Mikey was there. In conclusion to all that, to me it looks like Stewart-Haas more closely resembles Gibbs, Penske, DEI, an IndyCar team, MWR, and even Roush than it does Hendrick. 3) The one guy who I would describe as a team leader for Stewart-Haas that had direct connections to Hendrick Motorsports was actually fired by them. "What if the roles were reversed? If JJ were in Matt's shoes, he couldn't have accomplished what Matt has in a million years." How do you know that? Simple answer...you don't. More complicated answer...you hate Jonson and Hendrick so much for mostly unfounded reasons that you look for an excuse to discredit everything they have accomplished by making claims that you know can't be proven or disproven. Again, I have respect for the amount of knowledge you obviously have for the sport, particularly during the Earnhardt era, but you take you dislike of Johnson and Hendrick to ridiculous heights. Why can't you just admit that while completely boring and uninspiring, Jimmie Johnson is one of the greatest NASCAR drivers of all time? Look, I can't stand the guy either and I wish he would never win another race, but denigrating his success is literally one of the most ridiculous things a fan can do. So is leaving Jeff Gordon out of a top 10 list which I've seen you do before. Earnhardt would be ashamed of you for doing that because he would have Gordon right up there with himself (and I can say that too since I don't have to have any proof to back up my claims, which can't be proven in the first place). 591. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 8:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm starting to wonder if that really is DSFF who is making these conspiracy-filled rambling posts... 592. Anonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 8:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rumours of schedule changes. Darlington and Kansas spring could swap. This is bad for Darlington as the mothers day race has really given the track a new lease of life. The only saving grace is that Darlington could be a day race, although since it is the spring and not late summer maybe that is a mute point. 593. Anonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 8:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why again did SHR pick Martin to run for them? He hasn't done jack shit in that car... And I feel Denny Hamlin needs to just let the back heal...he is just running laps since that injury, and he like Kyle always seems to crack under pressure. 594. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 9:09 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Why again did SHR pick Martin to run for them? He hasn't done jack shit in that car..." Part of that is definitely Mark being over the hill, but also, part of it is that Stewart-Haas is overrated, they are certainly not just a team of extra Hendrick cars as some people like to think and the expansion to 3 cars has hurt them. Even Tony Stewart struggled before his injury aside from the Dover win, and Ryan Newman was pedestrian before his crash yesterday even with 100% of the team's focus. Anyone who thinks Kurt Busch is going to jump into one of these cars and suddenly become dominant is really in for a rude awakening, never mind the fact that a further expansion will hurt them even more (especiallly since that 4th car will be totally unfunded). 595. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.07.2013 - 9:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Eventually, Kyle Busch will hit his stride. Getting rid of him would be one of the biggest boneheaded moves in racing history." The only boneheaded move there would be keeping Busch. He will never hit any kind of stride, eventually he'll pull something like he did at Kansas on Saturday or at Texas in 2011 and he'll be out of the sport for good. He's doesn't have the mental toughness to win a championship (his NNS championship doesn't count) and as good as a driver as he is, eventually Gibbs will get as fed up with him as the fans are and he'll be gone and not missed. 596. Jocke Persson posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:08 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Danica got $63 360 for racing for twenty seconds. God, Can I please have a job like that? 597. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Danica got $63 360 for racing for twenty seconds. God, Can I please have a job like that?" In fairness she probably only saw a portion of that money actually go to her. Of course she still received her salary from Stewart-Haas/GoDaddy for the race as well as a portion of the merchandise sales. 598. cjs3872 posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:23 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Guys, what I said was that slowing he cars down would reduce the effect of the aero-push, not make it go away, because it's never going to completely go away. If the cars are slowed down, the cars won't feel the air from the cars in front of them until they're closer than what it is now. And remember that a lot of the aero-related problem with the Gen 5 car was that it was a much higher car, so obviously there were going to be problems. And also, a main reason the aero-push showed up at Indy first has to do with the fact that, Indy was such a smooth track surface then that the teams could run more aggressive chassis setups there than they could anywhere else, thus getting the cars lower to the ground. That, combined with the fact that Indy is a one-groove track, is why the aero-push problem first reared its ugly head there. And for those that want to see Kyle Busch get canned at JGR, I have one question. Who would they replace him with? It seems that those who want to see Kyle get canned may not be thinking straight on this one. And also, for those that think that Denny Hamlin is just "logging laps", they must not have really paid attention to this race, because he ran in the top five a lot in this one, more than any race since Charlotte in May. He dropped way back because the strategy shuffle didn't go his way, but he was a contender for much of this race. 599. jabber1990 posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) i'm not trying to be nitpicky but SHR doesn't buy Hendrick Engines, he rents them. a team isn't allowed to touch the engines ever notice how when a Ford blows an engine an RYE guy is the first one to raise the hood and take a look? 600. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Rumours of schedule changes. Darlington and Kansas spring could swap." I read that if they do this, the Darlington race would be back to a Sunday afternoon day race. I would definitely be in favor of that, but not in favor of swapping it with Kansas. The Darlington Mother's Day race has become a crown jewel, and it seems to be doing fine in that slot, so why move it? Especially for Kansas of all places (which will probably be a bullshit cookie cutter night race). If they must insist on giving Kansas the Mother's Day weekend, then make an additional Darlington and Atlanta swap that will give Atlanta the April race and Darlington back its traditional Labor Day date. But I do like the idea of having Darlington be a day race again. 601. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some 2014 schemes have been released. My thoughts on some: #3 Cheerios: I like it, most of y'all hate it. I highly doubt this is the only paint scheme as I doubt General Mills will sponsor the full season. #4 Outback Steakhouse: It's a dark tan color next year as opposed to the light tan Newman runs. I like it. #5 Farmer's Insurance: no real opinion, but the darker blue is more professional looking in my opinion. #14 Mobil 1/Bass Pro Shops: a lot of the red has been removed and there's more black and white next year. It's a pretty slick looking hot rod. #48 Lowe's: Apparently the "Dover White" scheme he has run in night races will be the primary scheme next year. Whatever. #55 Aaron's Dream Machine: Like the #5, it looks more professional since the "Lucky Dog" has been taken off the hood as best I can tell. 602. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "i'm not trying to be nitpicky but SHR doesn't buy Hendrick Engines, he rents them." Perhaps, but the question still remains...does Hendrick have so much influence at Stewart-Haas that it can be called a satellite team, or a way for Hendrick to avoid the 4 car limit? I just don't see that. Does Tony Stewart who marches to the best of his own drum better than any driver in the garage area these days really bend over and take orders from Mr. H? Again, I don't think so. The reason Stewart-Haas gets engines from Hendrick is probably a very simple answer that can be answered by looking at it from a business perspective...it's makes more economic sense for a profit making team to rent/buy engines already available than it does to employ people to build your own. And if you were starting a Chevy team which engines would you choose...Hendrick or Earnhardt-Childress? 603. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I was Gibbs, I wouldn't fire Kyle Busch, but I would do something like... oh I don't know... MAKE HIM STOP RUNNING LITTLE LEAGUE RACES. And my point on this is that a lot of the Kyle Busch double dipping is Gibbs' fault. He was adamant about having Kyle run JGR NNS equipment this year as opposed to just running a few races for KBM like he did last year. Why the HELL would you have your most talented driver wearing himself out in 25 NNS races, which, once again, if you're a Cup driver, DON'T MATTER. I think Kyle is capable of winning a Cup championship, but he's just not focused enough on that. The reason why he melts down so quick when the Chase comes is probably because he's mentally worn out (and rekindling meaningless feuds over in NNS doesn't help either). So instead of firing Kyle, just do something to him that will make him have no choice but to focus on nothing but Cup. If it is absolutely necessary that Kyle run a ridiculous amount of NNS races (it isn't, but whatever), then don't pay him for those races or something. Make sure that Cup is his absolute, number one focus. Because, you know, if you're a Cup driver, that's how it should be. 604. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #3 Cheerios: Hate it. Keep either the stripes or the pattern on the side, but both together just looks ridiculous. #4 Outback Steakhouse: Nice scheme, I like it. Expecting a lot more free bloomin' onions in 2014. #5 Farmer's Insurance: I like it better than the 2013 scheme, which I already liked. #14 Mobil 1/Bass Pro Shops: Not bad, but I preferred the 2013 scheme. #48 Lowe's: I've always liked this scheme better than the blue. He ran the white at the day Kentucky race since it was supposed to be a night race, it looked really good. #55 Aaron's Dream Machine: This scheme was panned by a lot of people but I like it, though I probably like the 2013 scheme better. Also a few more I have seen: #9 Stanley: Not substantially different from 2013, still a solid look. #16 3M: Pretty much unchanged. I'm neutral towards it. #17 Nationwide: I love this scheme, I hope Nationwide sponsors him in a lot more races next year. #41 Haas: Blatant ripoff of the RCR #41 Ty Dillon ARCA car from a few years back. I give it an F based on the lack of originality. #43 Smithfield Made in America: One of the best schemes so far. The Petty Blue with red, white, and blue look is really sharp. #99 Fastenal: Same as 2013, it's OK. #99 UPS: Same as 2013, it's OK. 605. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If they must insist on giving Kansas the Mother's Day weekend, then make an additional Darlington and Atlanta swap that will give Atlanta the April race and Darlington back its traditional Labor Day date." Can't see that happening as Atlanta has already announced their date for Labor Day weekend next year. That wouldn't be fair to people who heard that announcement and have already purchased tickets and made travel and lodging arrangements for that weekend. 606. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "#14 Mobil 1/Bass Pro Shops: a lot of the red has been removed and there's more black and white next year. It's a pretty slick looking hot rod." That thing won't have horsepower under the hood, it'll have zebra power. "#55 Aaron's Dream Machine: Like the #5, it looks more professional since the "Lucky Dog" has been taken off the hood as best I can tell." The styling of those yellow numbers brought it WAY down, in my opinion. "#3 Cheerios: I like it, most of y'all hate it. I highly doubt this is the only paint scheme as I doubt General Mills will sponsor the full season." I'll tell you what, it grows on you after a while. I think that most bad paint schemes are kind of good in their own way. "#48 Lowe's: Apparently the "Dover White" scheme he has run in night races will be the primary scheme next year. Whatever." While the Dover White scheme is pretty sharp, I wish they would continue their normal pattern of only running that in the night races next year, much like Mark Martin ran his inverted Viagra paint scheme back in 2005. 607. kup posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just wanna remind some weird? stats now - after 30 of 36 races 2013. Manufacturer Titles Chevrolet 36 [last in 2012] Ford 15 [last in 2002] Toyota 0 So they are shifting from 26-to-15 ... to 37-to-15 And they Wonder (#78@Dega) why tv-coverage & attendance are squeezing. The only real reason for the Chase - is legitimation for GM-Chevy huge dominance. 608. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Can't see that happening as Atlanta has already announced their date for Labor Day weekend next year. That wouldn't be fair to people who heard that announcement and have already purchased tickets and made travel and lodging arrangements for that weekend." Well, Darlington already announced their race for May 10th a while ago. So it's not fair to those fans either if they do this swap with Kansas. 609. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "#41 Haas: Blatant ripoff of the RCR #41 Ty Dillon ARCA car from a few years back. I give it an F based on the lack of originality." Where can I find this car? I'd like to see it. 610. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, Darlington already announced their race for May 10th a while ago. So it's not fair to those fans either if they do this swap with Kansas." I actually had a longer comment typed out where I said that same thing, but then I went back and looked on Jayski and the only place that said that Darlington had already announced their date was Mikemulhern.com. Even Darlington's website doesn't have the race listed as already scheduled for May 10. In fact the only thing Darlington Raceway has officially scheduled appears to be a BBQ Cook-off and Car Show scheduled for the 8th and 9th of November. Jayski also has a list of "confirmed" 2014 dates on their schedule page and Darlington isn't listed. 611. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) On Lionel Racing's website they have an option to purchase a diecast of the 2014 #20 Dollar General Toyota. It is still partially covered in the back though so I suppose that means some paint scheme changes might be coming its way as well. 612. Jim Davis posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And my point on this is that a lot of the Kyle Busch double dipping is Gibbs' fault. He was adamant about having Kyle run JGR NNS equipment this year as opposed to just running a few races for KBM like he did last year." You're ignoring the elephant in the room. Monster Energy is the one adamant that Busch run the Nationwide car. 613. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zachary Shawn, I have sent a link to the Kurt paint scheme, it may take a while to be approved though. 614. Baker posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So what happened with te Kyle Busch wreck? Was it legit? Someone else's mess, or did he crack under pressure and wreck himself? 615. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alternatively, you can go to Twitter and search Kurt Busch 2014 and it will be one of the first results. 616. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You're ignoring the elephant in the room. Monster Energy is the one adamant that Busch run the Nationwide car." I feel like you and I have had this debate about 58 times, so there's no real sense in going into it again. Yes, Monster Energy and all of these uptight sponsors certainly aren't clean in this situation, but Kyle has said numerous times that it was Joe Gibbs' idea to have him run exclusively for JGR because Joe wants the "precious" Owner's Championship so bad. 617. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, Kurt's scheme is a total ripoff of Ty's Arca car. As for the other schemes, I really don't like that 3 car (as I said when it first leaked), I do like Harvick's Outback car, I like Tony's new Mobil 1 car, I LOVE Aric's new American Petty blue car, and I like Biffle's new 3M scheme a lot better than his current. The rest I really have no opinion on. 618. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So what happened with te Kyle Busch wreck? Was it legit? Someone else's mess, or did he crack under pressure and wreck himself?" Wrecked himself twice. 619. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I feel like you and I have had this debate about 58 times" 59. I've counted. ;) 620. Jim Davis posted: 10.07.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "I feel like you and I have had this debate about 58 times..." But I don't think we're anywhere close to a record in that department. "...but Kyle has said numerous times that it was Joe Gibbs' idea to have him run exclusively for JGR because Joe wants the "precious" Owner's Championship so bad." Yes, of course, he has. Busch and Gibbs are going to shield their sponsor from criticism like any driver or owner would. You'll never hear Gibbs say: "I wanted to put Drew Herring in the 54 full time but Monster Energy insisted on Kyle Busch for at least 2/3rds of the races." Likewise Busch is never going to say something like: "I'd prefer to drive my own car in the Nationwide series but Monster won't sponsor the 54 unless I'm driving it for most of the races." Shilling for the sponsor is part of the job and Gibbs and Busch are as good as any at it. The same situation applies to the Penske 22 and its drivers and sponsors. It's no coincidence that this year all of a sudden the owner's championship has become "all important". 621. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whatever, the sponsor stuff is besides the point right now anyway. My overall point in response to the original topic is that I think the reason why Kyle blows it in the Chase all the time is because he usually has way more total races under his belt than anybody else. 622. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.07.2013 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kurt ever gets it all together, he will be a multi-time champion. But that's one of the biggest IFs ever thought of. 623. Sector posted: 10.07.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The chase drivers are 4 for 4 on earning 'max points.' Can they go the final 6 races doing the same? (My answer is no, I believe Talladega will end that streak). 624. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.07.2013 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/MattV2008/c41482xhsub_3.jpg Kurt Busch 2014 625. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So you're going on the record saying that Gibbs should fire the driver who has won him the second most races in organization history behind only Stewart's 33 wins for Gibbs." Yes, I am. Kyle will always bring more bad than good. Even the tremendous effort to make him a better person The Coach has put forth has done nothing. Damn near being forced out of the sport in November 2011 didn't help. Seeing his brother spend two years of his prime in small budget hell has done nothing. Supposedly living a more Christian lifestyle, which Kyle has been very mum about, has done nothing. Being an owner has done nothing. Getting married has done nothing. As for being a "bone headed move", HMS did the same thing and they look like geniuses for it. Even though his replacement, Joonyerr, has been a massive disappointment, at least Kyle is gone, preventing unnecessary headaches while JJ wins title after title. Now that Gibbs has Kenseth, all Kyle will do is bring him down. The wins aren't worth all the PR damage control, the morale he only brings down, and the egg he always lays in the chase. If you look only at a portion of the numbers and not the whole picture, then you aren't seeing reality. "See, this is what I was talking about. I have to question just how much thought anybody who says Stewart-Haas Racing is a satellite team to Hendrick Motorsports has actually given it." Seeing as how HMS and SHR drivers have publically referred to each other as "teammates" I would say they are definitely a satellite team. Plus Rick and Gene Haas, the guy who has the final say over there as the Kurt Busch deal has showed us, have been business partners for a long time. And each habe major legal issues in their past. There is the much discussed "open book" policy between the two teams. If you can't see the connection there, I can't help you. 626. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "As for being a "bone headed move", HMS did the same thing and they look like geniuses for it." Of course, at the time, Kyle only had four wins and looked like dirt next to His Majesty, the Almighty Savior of NASCAR and Gracious Loving Southerners Everywhere, Ralph Dale Earnhardt II. 627. 18fan posted: 10.07.2013 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I like how Kyle has a bad race at his worst track and now he should be fired. I guarantee that if Matt Kenseth had crashed out of yesterday's race that it would not have been considered "cracking under pressure". 628. 18fan posted: 10.07.2013 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) David Reutimann and David Ragan havs as many wins as Dale Jr. does since he joined Hendrick in 2008 and 17 drivers have more. Also interesting is in that time span Jeff Gordon ranks 13th, behind, among others, Clint Bowyer. 629. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As for being a "bone headed move", HMS did the same thing and they look like geniuses for it." I fail to see how letting Kyle Busch go makes HMS look like geniuses. Do you mean to tell me that Mears, Martin, and Kahne have all done better in the 5 than Kyle would have done if he hadn't been released. Not likely. Kyle's stats would probably be even better than they currently are. Also, as much as I like Dale Jr., there is no way you can tell me that he's done better in HMS equipment than Kyle would have. "The chase drivers are 4 for 4 on earning 'max points.' Can they go the final 6 races doing the same? (My answer is no, I believe Talladega will end that streak)." If someone asked me to define the word paradox, I would tell to look up Talladega Superspeedway. Dega may very well be the easiest track on the circuit, but it's also the most feared of all the tracks. Exciting (usually) for the fans, nerve wrecking for the drivers. 630. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I guarantee that if Matt Kenseth had crashed out of yesterday's race that it would not have been considered "cracking under pressure". Because Matt Kenseth DIDN'T crash himself out of yesterday's race. Busch did. Because he cracked under pressure. He has a lack of pressure and is chocking in the chase AGAIN. It's not just this year, either. He has a lack of focus in every chase. Last week, he said that Kansas is his worst track, and that it would be his worst race of the chase, and had one of the one of his classic meltdowns. He came into the race with the attitude that he would have a bad race and he did, instead of coming in with the attitude "this is the race I turn my Kansas luck around" (and maybe coming out with a 15th-20th place finish (and 20 more points towards the championship). Reporter Dustin Long wrote that he was listening to Busch's "radio much of the race and there was a level of frustration for sure. Once, there was just maniacal laughter" http://dustinlong01.wordpress.com/.../ Contrast that with Johnson-on the last pit stops, he came in top 5 and came out 14th, Knaus was pissed and Johnson was the one on the radio and calmed the team down, and drove up to 6th place and actually gained points on Kenseth. Meanwhile, when Busch came in top 5 and came out mid-pack, he responded by cursing the crew out over the radio, spinning himself off Montoya's bumper, and then cutting down on Edwards like he wasn't even there, finally ending his day. That's why even though Busch has 10X the raw talent Johnson has, he'll never be a champion at the rate he's going. He's had some bad luck in past chases, I'll give you that. But at a certain point, it all falls on him. His 2010 chase ended when Reutimann crashed him at Kansas (retaliation for something that Busch started). It was just like what he did on Saturday with Keselowski-he created a situation that didn't need to be created with a driver not in the chase (and with nothing to lose). Busch has zero self-control or discipline, along with serious anger issues. He's got enough talent to win 10 races a year (in CUP, where it counts!) until he's in his 40's, but he's still a 6th-12th place in points driver. At least until he grows up, and if he hasn't by now, he more than likely never will. Meanwhile, he can keep racking up those NNS and Truck owners championships! 631. kup posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All 3+1 Childress teams were very good at Kansas. Not alone Kevin dominates, but at least with Gil Martin (was good with Clint also) and whole #29 team. And, again, whole RCR 3+1 were much better than usual. 632. 83andJoe posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NLA - I was going to chuckle about the "Ty Dillon ARCA ripoff" comments on the Kurt Busch #41 paint scheme...but it IS. The only difference is that the lower rear of the quarter panel is filled in with red instead of black. 633. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ^He pretty much just nailed it. Right there. Talent is nothing without mental stability. 634. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was referring to post #630, though your post is also very correct, 83andJoe. 635. cjs3872 posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) DSFF, Gibbs isn't dumb enough to make such an idiotic move, especially considering that there's nobody to replace him with. If they, or any other organization releases such a successful driver, they had better be able to replace him with someone close to his caliber, and as I stated in post #598, if Gibbs were to pull the plug on Kyle Busch, who would they replace him with, because I see no suitable replacement in any of NASCAR's major series. I agree that Kyle will ever win a title because he can't stand up to the heat, like most of today's upper-echelon drivers, but to say Kyle should be let go when there isn't anyone to replace him is sheer lunacy. 636. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Interesting Random Fact of the Week: Toyota failed to finish in the top ten for the first time since Chicago in 2011. 637. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I guarantee that if Matt Kenseth had crashed out of yesterday's race that it would not have been considered "cracking under pressure"." Probably because Kenseth hasn't made an entire career out of blowing it when it matters most. The thing about Kyle's performance yesterday is that it was all his fault. All of it. He stupidly cut down on Montoya who rightfully held his line, and he spun himself out. That caused him to start in the back, where he once again shot himself in the foot by cutting across Carl's nose and totaling his car once and for all. He has no one to blame but himself for yesterday. And I think Dave38 said something spot on when he said that Kyle was already counting himself out before the race even started just because it was Kansas. It's definitely not a good thing to do to psych yourself out like that. Now, as I said earlier, I don't think Kyle should be fired. He's clearly one of the most, maybe THE most talented behind the wheel driver out there. Mentally though, he still needs a lot of work. If he were to put his complete focus on the Cup car, and if he learned to stop throwing in the towel, he could be a Cup champion. But evidently he's showing no signs of doing that. 638. kup posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) CHASE = Tricky Illusion 4 Dumbs Points standings after this race: 1 Matt Kenseth 2 Jimmie Johnson 3 Kevin Harvick Non-'Chase' standings after this race: 1 Jimmie Johnson 2 Kevin Harvick 3 Matt Kenseth Top 3 are the same 3 drivers! CHASE = Tricky Illusion 4 Dumbs Chase: 5th Kyle Busch Non-Ch: 5th Kyle Busch Chase: 12th Ryan Newman Non-Ch: 12th Ryan Newman Chase: 13th Kasey Kahne & 14th Jamie McMurray Non-Ch: 13th Jamie McMurray & 13th Kasey Kahne 639. cjs3872 posted: 10.07.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Murb, I'll take it a step further in regards to Kyle Busch's run at Kansas yesterday. His problems actually began on Saturday when he crashed in practice, forcing him to a backup car. That put him in the back at the start, where he immediately spun to avoid that crash on the start of the race, and that spin likely damaged his splitter, effectively ruining his race practically before it began. But his problems yesterday actually began the previous day. If not for that, he would have been ahead of that crash an his day would likely have turned out differently because he wouldn't have been trying to play catch-up all day with a car made uncompetitive due to damage from a first-lap incident that he would have been ahead of. 640. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sure, Kyle Busch took himself out yesterday and he may never win the championship. But how on Earth could anyone reasonably say that a guy who has 28 wins (and counting) and is still in perhaps the greatest season of his career (which still has 6 races left, more than half the Chase!!!) deserves to be fired. That's ludicrous! He's a great driver. The only time that Kyle could have justifiably been fired was after Texas in November 2011. He wasn't and that was two years ago. Also, I'd really like someone to answer cjs's question...who would replace Busch and still do just as well. 641. The Long Shot posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) This is a preview of the future and what I would do if I were Joe Gibbs, spanned out over several years: 2014: 11-Denny Hamlin: No changes. 18-Kyle Busch: No changes. 20-Matt Kenseth: No changes. 54-Elliott Sadler/Parker Kligerman: JGR runs a 4th team in 15 races, with Sadler running 10 and Kligerman running 5. 2015: 11-Elliott Sadler: Sadler gets one last chance as a fill-in driver after Denny Hamlin is granted his release after the 2014 season. 18-Kyle Busch: No changes, but Busch is suspended for 1 race after intentionally wrecking Austin Dillon at Charlotte in October, allowing Bubba Wallace to make his Cup debut. 20-Matt Kenseth: No changes. 54-Parker Kligerman: Kligerman runs for Rookie of the Year with Monster Energy sponsoring. 2016: 11-Darrell Wallace Jr.: Wallace runs for Rookie of the Year, with FedEx continuing to sponsor the team. 18-Kyle Busch/Elliott Sadler/Joey Coulter: Busch is released after calling Joe Gibbs and his entire crew "f**ing fart-eaters" (censored due to under-age posters) at Pocono, forcing Sadler and Coulter to drive the remainder of the season. 20-Matt Kenseth: Kenseth shockingly announces that he will retire after the 2016 season. Otherwise, no changes. 54-Parker Kligerman: No changes. 2017: 11-Darrell Wallace Jr.: No changes. 18-Joey Coulter: Runs for Rookie of the Year with Dollar General sponsoring. 54-Parker Kligerman: No changes. 77-Cole Whitt/Chad Hachenbracht/Erik Jones: All 3 drivers split the ride, with Whitt and Hachenbracht also running partial Cup schedules for Tri-Star Motorsports. 2018: 11-Darrell Wallace Jr.: No changes. 18-Joey Coulter/Chad Hachenbracht: Coulter is released after Indianapolis due to poor performance. Team runs the remainder of the year with Hachenbracht. 54-Parker Kligerman: No changes. 77-Erik Jones: Runs for Rookie of the Year under the Toyota colors. 2019: 11-Darrell Wallace Jr.: OneMain Financial replaces FedEx as sponsor. 18-Chad Hachenbracht: Moves from Tri-Star Motorsports' full-time #44 ride to run full-time for JGR. Dollar General continues to sponsor. 20-Gray Gaulding: Runs 7 races with M&M's shockingly returning as sponsor. 54-Parker Kligerman: 2019 Budweiser Cup Series Champion!! 77-Erik Jones: No changes. 2020: 11-Darrell Wallace Jr.: No changes. 18-Chad Hachenbracht: No changes. 20-Gray Gaulding: NASCAR removed 4-team limit in 2017, so Gaulding is able to run full-time for Rookie of the Year. M&M's continues to sponsor. 54-Parker Kligerman: No changes. 77-Erik Jones: 2020 Budweiser Cup Series Champion!! 642. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) "Also, as much as I like Dale Jr., there is no way you can tell me that he's done better in HMS equipment than Kyle would have." Again, you have to look at the big picture. Although Kyle could do better in his sleep than Joon and Mears, neither of them have stirred anything up. A lot of talent left the door when Kyle was shitcanned, but so did a lot of headaches. About the only controversy from within the HMS camp since Kyle and his antics left (aside from the weekly technical issues which are just a part of HMS life) was the brief flare up between Jeff and Jimmie in 2010 at Texas and Talladega, which was quickly resolved ad Rick and his organization made it clear, under no uncertain circumstances, that the 48 was the top priority there. From then on Jeff has been a good boy and rolled over for Jimmie at every opportunity resulting in many belly rubs from Rick. "I like how Kyle has a bad race at his worst track and now he should be fired." Again, big picture. It wasn't just that he had a bad race, it was HOW he managed to have the bad race and the fact that history is repeating itself yet again for Kyle. The car wasn't handling well, so he threw in the towel. He tried wrecking himself with Juan, then just finally cut across two other cars on a restart and nosed into the wall. Throw in his antics on Saturday, and he is more problems than success. In crunch time, you cannot, under any circumstance count on Kyle. Well, you can count on him to underperform and cause headaches. Twice he has been on the chase bubble going into Richmond, both times he failed to make it. As for the chase, he made it in 2006, crashed himself out of the first race, and wound up dead last. In 2008, he had 3 straight mechanical issues to start the chase, not his fault, but he only managed one Top 5 the rest of the way, finishing 10th or 12. In 2010 he was 4th in points with 4 races left, and had finishes of 25th, 32nd (the double bird Texas race), 13th, and 32nd (got crashed trying to block The Vulture, not smart) to end up 8th in points. And 2011 saw him 4th in points after a runner up at Charlotte, but his best finish after that was 23rd, and he didn't even get to start the Texas race thanks to his idiotic antics in the TRUCK race. And now we have all this. Again. At some point you see a trend developing. This is season #9 for Kyle. He may be young, but he is far from green. At the same age, Gordon was in his 7th season, and had 3 championships and almost 50 wins. When Earnhardt was 28, he was only in his rookie season, and already overachieving, finishing 7th in points for 2nd year team Osterlund despite missing 4 races due to injury, and had a win, the first win for a rookie in 6 years. Kyle? Still underachieving. "DSFF, Gibbs isn't dumb enough to make such an idiotic move, especially considering that there's nobody to replace him with." Could they do any worse, or be any worse for team morale? Again, HMS replaced him with Dale Jr, and he has just 2 wins in his 6 seasons there. But he causes no waves, and is the epitome of a good boy around JJ, getting numerous belly rubs from Rick. As useless as Dale Jr is, him replacing Kyle with him was a great move for the organization. Right now, if they play their cards right, Gibbs could have a dynasty in the next few years with Matt, Jason, and the 20 team. They need loose cannon Kyle Busch off their ship. They need to go ahead and scoop up Truex to replace him. He already showed last year at Richmond he is a good boy, making a mystery pit stop for Kyle in the end to help him in his unsuccessful chase bid (I'll let the irony speak for itself) earning him a belly rub from Toyota. He won't win as much as Kyle, but he will help the organization overall. What about Sam Hornish? He has improved a lot, and last year was a dutiful teammate to Brad during his championship run while driving the #22. Again, it will help the organization. Is sacrificing a few wins for a championship worth it? Oh yeah! And how about the effect it will have on Denny Hamlin? Him seeing Kyle get fired will send a big message to him. Get your head on straight or you will be next, and unlike The Terminator, you won't be "back". "but to say Kyle should be let go when there isn't anyone to replace him is sheer lunacy. " Lunacy, eh? Amazing how a little bit of thinking and not getting tunnel vision on stats (which can be VERY deceiving) can shed light on issues. 643. kup posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) http://www.jayski.com/news/stats/story/_/page/NASCAR-Sprint-Cup-Series-Crew-Chief-Stats Active Crew Chief Wins: (unofficial) #48-Chad Knaus, 63 [2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 Champ] [Darian Grubb won 2 races when Knaus was suspended] #99-Jimmy Fennig, 35 [2004 Champ] #43-Todd Parrott, 31 [1999 Champ] #11-Darian Grubb, 20 [2 as a sub for #48-Knaus in 2006, 1 with #25-Mears; 11 with #14][2011 Champ] #14-Steve Addington, 20 #5-Kenny Francis, 16 #29-Gil Martin, 15 #32-Frank Stoddard, 14 #24-Alan Gustafson, 14 #83-Doug Richert, 14 [1980 Champ] #39-Matt Borland, 13 #18-Dave Rogers, 12 #78-Todd Berrier, 11 #88-Steve Letarte, 11 [10 w/Gordon, 1 with Earnhardt Jr.] #2-Paul Wolfe, 8 [2012 Champ] #21-Donnie Wingo, 7 #20-Jason Ratcliff, 7 #7-Tommy Baldwin Jr., 5 #27-Richard 'Slugger' Labbe, 5 #1-Kevin Manion, 4 #15-Brian Pattie, 3 #9-Drew Blickensderfer, 3 #10-Tony Gibson, 3 #16-Matt Puccia, 3 #19-Peter Sospenzo, 3 #55-Rodney Childers, 3 #22-Todd Gordon, 1 #56-Chad Johnston, 1 #20-Wally Brown, 1 (won at Darlington, subbing for Jason Ratcliff) #34-Jay Guy, 1 #87-Scott Eggleston, 1 [with Michael Waltrip - Daytona 500] #52-Ben Leslie, 1 Retired, deceased or no longer an active crew chief in the Sprint Cup Series:[championship years] NOTE: wins may not be with current teams, missing many of the old timers/past crew chiefs as I have not found accurate records of wins Dale Inman, 193 [1964, 1967, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1979, 1984 champ] Len Wood, 95 Smokey Yunick, 57 [1951, 1953] Harry Hyde, 56 [1970] Tim Brewer, 53 [1978, 1981 Champ] Ray Evernham, 47 [1995, 1997, 1998 Champ][ESPN TV] Kirk Shelmerdine, 46 [1986,1987,1990,1991] Jeff Hammond, 43 [1982, 1985 Champ] [Fox TV] Greg Zippadelli, 34 [2002, 2005 Champ][SHR Competition Director] Robbie Loomis, 26 [2001 Champ][unknown] Jimmy Makar, 23 [2000 Champ][JGR Executive] Larry McReynolds, 23 [Fox/SPEED/TNT TV] Mike Ford, 21 [director of operations BK Racing] Steve Hmiel, 19 [1 with #8-Dale Jr., 18 with Mark Martin][unknown] Bob Osborne, 18 [works at Roush Fenway Racing] Tony Eury Sr., 15 [unknown plans] Robby Reiser, 15 [2003 Champ][GM of Roush Fenway Racing] Paul Andrews, 12 [1992 Champ] Kevin Hamlin, 9 [all with RCR], spotter Pat Tryson, 8 Scott Miller, 7 [management with MWR] Greg Erwin, 5 [Penske Racing NNS #12 team] Michael McSwain, 5 [owns his own auto service biz] Lee McCall, 5 Joey Knuckles, 4 Mike Beam, 3 [Nationwide Series for Kyle Busch's team] Jim Long, 3 [Hendrick Nationwide teams] Shane Wilson, 3 Tony Eury Jr., 2 [Dale Jr., 1 in #8, 1 in #88][competition director at #30 Swan Racing] Tony Furr, 2 (working at R3 Motorsports) Roy McCauley, 2 [with Penske Racing] Ryan Pemberton, 2 [1 with #01 team in 2004](NNS crew chief with JR Motorsports] Marc Reno, 2 Larry Carter, 2 [1 with #26 Roush, 1 with #2 Penske] Pete Rondeau, 1 [with Furniture Row Racing] Jimmy Elledge, 1 [with Andy Petree Racing] Chris Andrews, 1 [Roush Racing as engineer] Chris Carrier, 1 [Penske NNS] Lance McGrew, 1 [won with #25-Vickers in 2006] [Hendrick Driver Development with Chase Elliott] Randy Goss, 1 [?] James Ince, 1 [?] Chip Bolin, 1 [at Calif while Robby Reiser was suspended, back to engineer job in 2009] NOTE: wins may not be with current teams, missing many of the old timers/past crew chiefs as I have not found accurate records of wins Driver - Crew Chief Tenures: Current combinations consecutive starts (unofficial) Driver, Crew Chief, #Races Jimmie Johnson, Chad Knaus, 224 [Knaus was suspended 4 races in 2007] Jamie McMurray, Kevin Manion, 137 Casey Mears, Bootie Barker, 113 Kasey Kahne, Kenny Francis, 103 Jeff Gordon, Alan Gustafson, 102 Greg Biffle, Matt Puccia, 84 Kyle Busch, Dave Rogers, 68 [Busch was parked at Texas in Nov 2011] Juan Pablo Montoya, Chris Heroy, 66 Clint Bowyer, Brain Pattie, 66 David Ragan, Jay Guy, 66 Martin Truex Jr., Chad Johnston, 51 [Johnston missed Pocono & Michigan in June 2012] Kevin Harvick, Gil Martin, 44 Aric Almirola, Todd Parrott, 40 Kurt Busch, Todd Berrier, 36 Paul Menard, Slugger Labbe, 35 Trevor Bayne, Donnie Wingo, 34 (part time ride) Dale Earnhardt Jr., Steve Letarte, 34 Ryan Newman, Matt Borland, 34 Marcos Ambrose, Drew Blickensderfer, 34 Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., Scott Graves, 33 Danica Patrick, Tony Gibson, 32 David Gilliland, Frankie Kerr, 30 Carl Edwards, Jimmy Fennig, 30 Jeff Burton, Luke Lambert, 27 [Lambert missed 2 early 2013 races when wife had baby] Denny Hamlin, Darian Grubb, 20 [Hamlin missed 4 races with inhury in 2013] Matt Kenseth, Jason Ratcliff, 19 [was 10 races, until suspended Darlington 2013] Joey Logano, Todd Gordon, 18 [was 10 be before being suspended 3 races in 2013] Brad Keselowski, Paul Wolfe, 18 [was at 83 races before being suspended 3 races in 2013] Dave Blaney, Tommy Baldwin Jr., 14 Travis Kvapil, Dale Ferguson, 13 David Reutimann, Doug Richert, 11 Josh Wise, Todd Anderson 8 Joe Nemechek, Scott Eggleston, 8 J.J. Yeley, Joe Lax, 8 Mark Martin, Steve Addington, 7 Brian Vickers, Scott Miller, 5 AJ Allmendinger, Brian Burns, 2 Cole Whitt, Stephen Lane, 2 Reed Sorenson, Wally Rogers, 1 (part time ride) Bobby Labonte, Brian Burns, 0 Tony Stewart, Steve Addington, 0 (was 57 until Stewart got hurt in sprint car wreck 8-6-2013) Multiple Sprint Cup Championships as a Crew Chief: 8 Dale Inman (7 with Richard Petty 1964, 1967, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1979; 1 with Terry Labonte 1984) 5 Chad Knaus (5 with Jimmie Johnson 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010) 4 Kirk Shelmerdine (4 with Dale Earnhardt 1986, 1987, 1990, 1991) 3 Ray Evernham (3 with Jeff Gordon 1995, 1997, 1998) 3 Bud Moore (2 with Joe Weatherly 1962, 1963; 1 with Buck Baker 1957) 3 Lee Petty (3 with Lee Petty 1954, 1958, 1959) 2 Greg Zipadelli (2 with Tony Stewart 2002, 2005) 2 Andy Petree (2 with Dale Earnhardt 1993, 1994) 2 Jeff Hammond (2 with Darrell Waltrip 1982, 1985) 2 Herb Nab (2 with Cale Yarborough 1976, 1977) 2 Jake Elder (2 with David Pearson 1968, 1969) 2 Travis Carter (1 with Benny Parsons 1973, 1 with Cale Yarborough 1978) 2 Tim Brewer (1 with Cale Yarborough 1978, 1 with Darrell Waltrip 1981) 2 Carl Kiekhafer (1 with Tim Flock 1955; 1 with Buck Baker 1956) 2 Smokey Yunick (2 with Herb Thomas 1951, 1953) Daytona 500, Winning crew chiefs, Drivers 1972: Leonard Wood(3), A.J. Foyt 1974: Dale Inman(3), Richard Petty 1976: Leonard Wood(4), David Pearson 1979: Dale Inman(4), Richard Petty 1981: Dale Inman(5), Richard Petty 1984: Waddell Wilson(3), Cale Yarborough 1988: Jimmy Fennig, Bobby Allison - JF 1st win 1995: Tony Glover(3), Sterling Marlin 2012: Jimmy Fennig(2), Matt Kenseth - JF 2nd win in 24 years! 644. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lunacy, eh? Amazing how a little bit of thinking and not getting tunnel vision on stats (which can be VERY deceiving) can shed light on issues." I agree. For example, a driver that has 76 wins and 7 championships could actually be quite deceiving to someone who doesn't have the expertise to detect when those misleading stats are trying to pull a fast on you and make a driver look better than he really is. 645. Ryan W posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Closer has a decent chance if the other two have some type of trouble. He's fared well at the remaining tracks. Give this guy a car capable of winning and he's as good as anyone out there. 646. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Also, I'd really like someone to answer cjs's question...who would replace Busch and still do just as well." Again, it isn't all about who will do "just as well". Could Truex or especially Hornish win in the first 26 like Kyle does? Nope. But it would allow JGR to stop having to waste so much time doing damage control in the wake of Kyle's antics, and focus on giving the 20 team all they need to be championship contenders year after year. Like HMS does for the 48. HMS sacrificed overall organization wins for championships by shitcanning Kyle. JGR needs to do the same. With Matt and Jason, they have lightning in a bottle. Having Kyle around poses a threat to have that bottle smashed by Kyle, electrocuting the whole company. So I turn the question on to you two, cjs and Zachary: If you are Joe Gibbs, what is more important to you? Are an extra 2 or 3 wins per year or a lack or headaches, damage control plans, and less distractions for championship runs? Here is a good parallel from another sport: The Texas Rangers and Alex Rodriguez. While in Texas, A Rod posted huge offensive totals and hit HRs like crazy. But he left after 2003, and since the Rangers have made their first two World Series appearances, with two additional playoff runs. So who "replaced the HRs and huge numbers A Rod put up"? Nobody. But his absence helped them as a team. Or how about the 2001 Seattle Mariners? Before that season, they lost huge stars Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr, and A Rod (I seem to notice a pattern developing here). But they banded together as a team and won a record 116 games before losing in the playoffs to the playoff battle tested Yankees (4 of the previous 5 World series winners). And what of the Yanks? They won 4 World Series in 5 seasons from '96-'00 and made it back to the Series in '01 and '03 before losing to classic "built to win now" teams Arizona and Florida. They didn't have any real "big number producing stars" on their teams, just a solid as a rock core of players like Jeter, Paul O Neill, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Joe Girardi, Mariano Rivera, etc. But in 2004 they signed none other than A Rod and went after persuing the big numbers guys like The Big Unit, Texiera, CC Sabbathia, etc. They have only won it once since then, in 2009. And do you know who everyone close to that '09 team says the "secret MVP" of that team was? Nick Swisher. A solid but unspectacular role player whose fun loving, loose personality helped bond that clubhouse and keep them from getting tight in the pressure. His complete refusal to ever take himself seriously was contagious that year, and they just went out there, played ball, and won it all. In conclusion, for the betterment of his company, Joe Gibbs needs to fire Kyle Busch. 647. KB Nation posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We think NASCAR had Goodyear introduce that new tire at Kansas to handicap Rowdy knowing that he struggles at that place. 648. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And do you know who everyone close to that '09 team says the "secret MVP" of that team was? Nick Swisher. A solid but unspectacular role player whose fun loving, loose personality helped bond that clubhouse and keep them from getting tight in the pressure. His complete refusal to ever take himself seriously was contagious that year, and they just went out there, played ball, and won it all." Whereas in 2013, he's with the Indians, they have an excellent rebound year by any means, and they subsequently lose the first time out in the playoffs...but that's another story. 649. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I agree. For example, a driver that has 76 wins and 7 championships could actually be quite deceiving to someone who doesn't have the expertise to detect when those misleading stats are trying to pull a fast on you and make a driver look better than he really is." Lol, you actually made my point for me. There are drivers with more wins than Dale, drivers with a better winning % than Dale, and drivers with more championsh..... oh wait, only him and Richard stand alone at top with 7 championships. But when you look at the teams he won his titles and races for, and the era in which he did his most damage, you realize those 76 wins are no joke. And those 7 championships? Epic. 650. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "So I turn the question on to you two, cjs and Zachary: If you are Joe Gibbs, what is more important to you? Are an extra 2 or 3 wins per year or a lack or headaches, damage control plans, and less distractions for championship runs?" I can't believe I'm going to actually dignify this insanity with a response, but yes, I do consider having a driver who can give me 2 or 3 extra wins per season to be better than having an occasional winner in the car. There are several reasons for this, but ultimately it boils down to the fact that I think you're again using things that have no basis in concrete evidence to overestimate just how much of an effect a "melt down" by Kyle Busch has on the 11 and 20 teams. Not to mention, what good is a not having a melt down do the team if they become a non-factor by hiring a worse driver. Funny though, I remember a driver in his younger years who drove for Gibbs at one point who was just as prone to melt downs as Ktle a Busch is. Not only was his teammate still able to win a championship, but this guy himself managed to win 2 titles at Gibbs as well. 651. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Whereas in 2013, he's with the Indians, they have an excellent rebound year by any means, and they subsequently lose the first time out in the playoffs...but that's another story. " Exactly. Nick Swisher is somebody you want on your team. Should he be THE guy? No, but you definitely need a Nick Swisher on your team. Anyone who says any differently has no idea what they are talking about. Now look at his numbers. The problem is he is playing for a Cleveland team and Cleveland sports are cursed for some reason. Not his fault. 652. 83andJoe posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Charlotte entry list is out. 43 cars. -Whitt in the 30 -Hill in the 32 -Brian Scott in the 33 -Cassill in the 40 -Bobby Labonte in the 47 -Kyle Larson in the 51 -Sorenson in the 95 653. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lol, you actually made my point for me. There are drivers with more wins than Dale, drivers with a better winning % than Dale, and drivers with more championsh..... oh wait, only him and Richard stand alone at top with 7 championships. But when you look at the teams he won his titles and races for, and the era in which he did his most damage, you realize those 76 wins are no joke. And those 7 championships? Epic." Not too sure how a comment where I imply that Earnhardt's stats make him look better than he really was proves your point. Actually, I was bring completely tounge-in-cheek because believing that would be ludicrous. Not least of all because I have no objective way of actually proving it whether I believed or not (which is not a courtesy you extend to Gordon and Johnson). 654. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here are three milestones that can be achieved at Charlotte that became achievable after Kansas. Kurt Busch and Kevin Harvick are both going for their 100th career top 5. Dale Earnhardt Jr. is going for his 200th career top 10. 655. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "I can't believe I'm going to actually dignify this insanity with a response" Yet here you are. "I do consider having a driver who can give me 2 or 3 extra wins per season to be better than having an occasional winner in the car." The opposite has been better for HMS as Kyle was replaced by waste of space Dale Jr. "I think you're again using things that have no basis in concrete evidence to overestimate just how much of an effect a "melt down" by Kyle Busch has on the 11 and 20 teams." It distracts the organization. How can his meltdowns do anything but affect that? They certainly don't help. Today's multi car team is one team building cars for 3 or 4 drivers. It is all one big ship. The loose cannon doesn't help. "I remember a driver in his younger years who drove for Gibbs at one point who was just as prone to melt downs as Ktle a Busch is. Not only was his teammate still able to win a championship, but this guy himself managed to win 2 titles at Gibbs as well." Let's have a look at JGR's 3 titles: 2000: B-Lab completes all but 9 laps. Plus he is one of the steadiest drivers out there mentally, or was at the time before he checked out after 2003. 2002: After punching a photographer, Tony has no choice but be a model citizen after Indy. The combo of that, and a championship nobody wanted to win spelled gold for Tony. 2005: For once in his life, Tony keeps his head on straight for an entire season and wins the title going away over JJ. It should be noted that both '00 and '02 were down years for HMS. 656. cjs3872 posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, you have to look at what's available, and there's nothing available that's even close to Kyle Busch. You bring up Martin Truex, Jr. and Sam Hornish, Jr. Truex has made the Chase twice (in 2007 and last year) and imploded both times after solid seasons, and Hornish has proven that he can't run higher than 8th-12th on his best days in the Cup Series. Last year, when Brad Keselowski was winning races and the championship, Horhish couldn't do much better than mid-pack. Why did you think Keselowski made a push to hire Joey Logano? He knew that Logano could run up front, and I'm not sure he or anyone else at Penske seriously thinks Hornish can in the Cup Series. Now I'm not a fan of Kyle Busch and never have been, but I'm smart enough to know that if Gibbs released him, whoever else steps in that car probably may not even be competitive, just looking at the other available drivers, with the exception of Truex, and I'm not sure Truex would win more than one race a year in that car. There's simply nobody else available that would be both ready and competitive. There really isn't. 657. TS1420 posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It must seem like some sort of rocket science to te NASCAR R&D center." When Brett Bodine is the brains of the whole operation, then yes, simple tasks do become rocket science in the NASCAR R&D center. They could have at least got Geoff to be the head of R&D, since he has made Olympic Medal winning Bobsleds. I just got to shake my head at the people claiming Kyle needs to be fired. I guess Dale Earnhardt should have been fired for all his Daytona 500 chokejobs too. And Bobby Allison should have been ran out of the sport since it took him about 3/4 of his career to stop choking away championships. And Mark Martin should have been ran out of the sport also since he never did stop choking away championships. 658. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "The opposite has been better for HMS as Kyle was replaced by waste of space Dale Jr." Again, what objective proof do you have to make that claim? Answer...none. It's just as possible that Kyle could have multiple Sprint Cup championships if he never leaves Hendrick. And as far as we know Jimmie could very well still have 5 championships. "It distracts the organization. How can his meltdowns do anything but affect that? They certainly don't help. Today's multi car team is one team building cars for 3 or 4 drivers. It is all one big ship. The loose cannon doesn't help." Really? You mean to tell me that even if Kyle did something drastic like commit a felony, someone like Matt Kenseth would be so distracted by something that has absolutely nothing to do with him, that he would just throw the championship away. Also, I guess Jimmie and Jeff missed the memo in 2007 that you're just supposed to fade if a teammate has a "meltdown" (like Kyle did at Texas and to a lesser extent Bristol). "2000: B-Lab completes all but 9 laps. Plus he is one of the steadiest drivers out there mentally, or was at the time before he checked out after 2003. 2002: After punching a photographer, Tony has no choice but be a model citizen after Indy. The combo of that, and a championship nobody wanted to win spelled gold for Tony. 2005: For once in his life, Tony keeps his head on straight for an entire season and wins the title going away over JJ. It should be noted that both '00 and '02 were down years for HMS." Thank you for this comprehensive breakdown of JGR's championships. It proves 1) that having a hotheaded teammate doesn't mean you automatically fold (2000) and the hothead himself can win championships (2002 and 2005) even in a year where he actually has a "melt down" (2002). 659. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "There's simply nobody else available that would be both ready and competitive. There really isn't." Cjs, I think DSFF has proven that he doesn't care whether the 18 car would be competetive with another driver. He only cares that Kyle wouldn't be the driver and he'll come with all sorts of finagled points to "prove" why that would be the best move. Just like he does when he explains why Johnson and Gordon aren't top drivers. 660. Eric posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I were the owner of JGR, I wouldn't dump kyle. It does to 5 facts. 1.) Matt Kenseth is going to be 42 next year year and that means Matt could have only 2 to 3 more prime years left. The rule of thumb is a driver usually don't win more than 4 races a year after they turn 46 years old with the exceptions being Lee Petty, Mark Martin and Harry Gant. 2.) Denny Hamlin is more of a liability than Kyle at this point because I wouldn't know if Denny could be the same driver again after his injury at Auto Club. The other reason Denny is more a liability than Kyle is the fact Denny already had a bad back before the Auto Club crash this year and that means how many nasty crashes can Denny take. 3.) Kyle has not caused any of the other teams of JGR to have problems in terms of championship battles. The 2nd fact is Stewart was a hot head and Bobby Labonte had no problems in his championship battle. JGR has the personalities to handle a Kyle Busch unlike the 2014 Stewart-Haas driver lineup or the 2002 RCR line up of Harvick, Robby Gordon and Jeff Green. 4.) I don't want to completely rebuild my organization since Matt isn't getting any younger, and Denny's back is a huge issue. The last thing I want is hire 3 cup drivers from 2014 to 2018. 5.) There isn't any cup drivers that market that can't choke or the drivers on the market are way too much of a downgrade. Regan Smith to me is too much of a downgrade from Kyle Busch. Ragan is a good driver, but he's a type of a driver I would replace Hamlin with if Denny's not the same driver and his back problems are still very bad. 661. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even though it hasn't exactly been friendly, this has been a really good debate. I can't make up my mind on who to agree with. 662. David posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Matt Kenseth is going to be 42 next year year and that means Matt could have only 2 to 3 more prime years left. The rule of thumb is a driver usually don't win more than 4 races a year after they turn 46 years old with the exceptions being Lee Petty, Mark Martin and Harry Gant." Believe me, Matt is an exception. To quote David Smith, he is Mark Martin 2.0. The fact that he is in serious contention for the title at 41 says enough in itself. 663. Eric posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The last time I check Matt Kenseth has a level head and that means Kyle's antics wouldn't be affecting the 20 team unlike the 2014 Stewart-Haas driver lineup would be if Stewart-Haas had Kyle Busch instead of Danica Patrick. That means If I were JGR don't fire Kyle. The other thing is JGR in 2013 isn't as toxic as 2008 JGR could have been with hot head Stewart, Diva Hamlin, and the talented, but immature Kyle Busch. If Kyle was with Stewart-Haas in 2014, I would have fired Kyle because of the personalities involved because Kurt Busch, Tony Stewart, and Kevin Harvick is hard enough to handle without mentioning Kyle Busch. 664. Baker posted: 10.07.2013 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) The only thing worse than how overrated I feel Johnson is would be Kevin Harvick win a championship. I feel his talent has been way overrated for a long time. Man I hope Matt Kenneth gets it together for the next 6 races. 665. Eric posted: 10.07.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, Remember Earnhardt was in his 40's winning 3 cup championships and finished 2nd in points in 2000 at the age of 49 besides being a runner up to Jeff Gordon in 1995 at the age of 44. Dale Jarrett had great seasons in his 40's through the 2002 including the 1999 cup championships. Lee Petty won his final cup championship at the age of 45 and Bobby Allison got his only cup championship when he was almost 46. Richard Petty was in contention in 1979 at the age of 42 for his final cup championship when Darrell Waltrip choked. I think no one in the start of the 1980 cup season thought Richard Petty wouldn't be in contention of an 8th cup championship. Take a look at Geoff Bodine in 1990, he had his best points finish ever at the age of 41, but I think no one figure that his last season with 3 cup wins would happen at the age of 45 in 1994 or his last top 10 points finish was in 1990 either. I am also sure no one after the 1989 season would have figured that Darrell Waltrip wouldn't have more than 3 races a season based on what DW did at the age of 42 in 1989 with his 6 cup wins. My point is Drivers being in contention for a championship at the age of 41 or 42 isn't new, but able to be in championship contention past the age of 45 is tougher and having big win total seasons for that matter. My rule always been Drivers are capable of having big win seasons from 40 to 45, but judging what a driver does at the age of 41 isn't a good measuring stick what he or she does at the age of 46. Dale Jarrett for the 1998 cup season was 41 years old and finished 3rd in points, but when he turned 46 after the 2002 season was over, he was on the decline. Dale turned 46 on November 26th,2002. Yates in the later part of 2003 formed a partnership with Roush because of how bad his organization was doing and Jarrett was struggling at the time that was really caused by the decline of the driver and having Elliott Sadler as a teammate. 666. Ched Little posted: 10.07.2013 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This comment section has really turned petty. I'm disappointed in you guys this week. 667. The Long Shot posted: 10.07.2013 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) My opinions on the differing arguments here: DSFF: I agree with you that Kyle isn't the answer for JGR, as he has shown himself to be incapable of winning when it counts, similar to Tony Romo in the NFL. However, your argument of Kyle being a detriment to the team is shaky at best. Look back to 2011, when Kyle was suspended by NASCAR for intentionally wrecking Ron Hornaday at Texas. Did that send a message to the team to just "shut down"? Hell, no. The only person that was affected was Kyle himself (finished 36th and 23rd in the two remaining races that year), and even he clearly wasn't affected enough to change his behavior for the better. I can't see how it would be any different now if "Cryle Busch" were to make a reappearance. Zackary Shawn: I have to agree with you on this subject for the most part, but constantly referring to DSFF as some sort of a "shit-spewing fan" is ludicrous. I compare him to NicoRosbergFan: both of them are very intelligent and knowledgeable racing fans, but they can get a bit carried away when talking about Hendrick Motorsports. Eric: To elaborate on your post #665, you're basically disproving your own point here. You say that it's not remarkable for drivers to be contending for titles at age 41-42. Look at the names you brought up as examples: Dale Earnhardt, Richard Petty, Lee Petty, Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, hell, even Dale Jarrett and Geoff Bodine. All of these drivers had an enormous amount of talent, and even more amazingly, they were still competitive up into their early 40's. You call that unremarkable? 668. murb posted: 10.07.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My final thought on Kyle: If I was Gibbs, I wouldn't fire him as he hasn't done anything since the Hornaday incident that is fire-worthy. However, I would have a SERIOUS sit down with him to hash out what his career path will be. I would tell him that his complete focus needs to be on the #18 M&Ms team, and I would also give him some coaching in being able to keep it together and not give up. Focus and a "never say die" attitude combined with his driving talent would be deadly, so someone, whether it is Gibbs or whoever, needs to get that into his head. 669. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Again, big picture. If Gibbs only owned the 18, then yes, it would be a no brainer to keep Kyle. But they have 3 teams. Since Kyle went to JGR and was replaced by Joon, he has won 24 races to Joon's 2. Bit does anyone really think it was an error by HMS? As for proving Kyle's antics are a detriment to the rest of the organization, no, there is no concrete proof of that. But do you really want to take that chance? Kyle will not win a championship. Wouldn't you want to remove as many variables as possible? I would. To me, firing Kyle causes more gain than losses. And I think I have proven that. All you guys have is "you can't prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt". In court I would lose, but in real life, on the track, I would win. Championships. 670. The Long Shot posted: 10.07.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kyle should be released, then wait until both Parker Kligerman and Bubba Wallace are ready to move up to Cup. Like I said before, I can't see Denny Hamlin lasting with JGR much longer, and Kligerman will almost assuredly be moving up to Cup after the 2014 season, so he could very well take over the #11 ride. My guess is Wallace is going to get rushed into the big leagues too fast, so he MIGHT have a shot at Cup in 2015, but my guess is he'll move up in 2016. If Kyle hasn't matured or improved by then, then I would be all in favor of him being released. (And remember that JGR has a HUGE pipeline of developmental drivers, including Joey Coulter, Erik Jones, Drew Herring, Chad Hachenbracht, and Gray Gaulding. When you look at that crop of talent, the decision to release Kyle will be made that much easier.) 671. Eric posted: 10.07.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The Long Shot, I called what the driver I mentioned unremarkable because it is supposed to be common for a top NASCAR driver to contend for a cup championship at the age of 41 if they are healthy, and have good equipment as long as they are not gun shy from any nasty wrecks they had like Jeff's 2008 Vegas crash or had to deal with any deaths on the race track. The fact is cup drivers are supposed to be in their prime longer than Indy Car drivers based on what I seen out of the Indy Car side in the last 10 to 18 years. I have been fallowing Indy Cars since the 1980's as a kid when it was known as CART before becoming a NASCAR Fan as as a teenager in 1993. There was some great Indy Car drivers in their 40's like Mario Andretti and Emerson Fittipaldi, but that hasn't been the case for a long time. The fact is Indy Car hasn't had a driver that won over the age of 40 since 2003 when a declining Al Unser Jr did it at the age of 41. Indy Car is more advanced than stock cars are and that is why Formula 1 and Indy Car drivers decline in their late 30's or early 40's unlike top NASCAR drivers. 672. Daniel posted: 10.07.2013 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) sam bass is good really good 673. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think Matt has another 10 years in him. 674. Sector posted: 10.07.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The thing the #2 team has me shaking my head for is why are they constantly always trying to run out of fuel before they pit and all these other mistakes? They did the same thing last year in the Charlotte race (Which is going to be exactly one year ago this coming race) to finish just outside the top 10. 675. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.08.2013 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Deep thoughts. The Oakland A's won today to take a 2-1 lead over a really good Tigers team in a best of 5 series. What if Oakland makes it to the World Series? 40 years ago the Oakland A's won their 2nd of 3 consecutive championships. Now that was an interesting team. Nowadays, in the era of athletes who are programmed from birth to be high paid pros, they never develop a true personality. We long for the days of characters not only playing in sports, but making major contributions to championship teams. That Oakland A's bunch had character. They had the always entertaining Reggie Jackson (injured for the '72 Series). They had Rollie Fingers who had the greatest mustache in the history of sports, even better than Dale. They had Vida Blue. They had a pitcher named Catfish, North Carolina native Catfish Hunter. The hero of the '72 Series? Backup catcher Gene Tenace who couldn't throw out a 3 toed sloth trying to steal 2nd but hit some clutch homers. If they make it, will we get to see lots of kick ass footage of those guys? Get to feel all nostalgic about the loveable bizarreness of the athletes back then? An era where the hottest athlete at one point in time was Mark "The Bird" Fidrych. An era that gave us Steve Carlton, perhaps the weirdest athlete ever to make a HOF and be really damn good. An era where a guy (his name escapes me) could throw a no hitter while tripping on LSD. Good times. Wish I was there for them. 676. 18fan posted: 10.08.2013 - 12:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Dock Ellis was the pitcher who threw a no-hitter on LSD for Pittsburgh in 1970. 677. 18fan posted: 10.08.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Those A's (especially in 1974) were maybe the most dysfunctional championship team in history. Catcher Ray Fosse suffered a crushed disk in his neck trying to break up a clubhouse fight between Billy North and Reggie Jackson (not surprising). They had the most colorful owner of the day in Charlie Finley and employed the "Designated Pinch Runner" with track star Herb Washington (who got picked off in the World Series in 1974 by Mike Marshall, who pitched in a record 106 games that year, which remains the only time a pitcher has pitched in at least 100 games in a single season), who played in 92 games in his career and never once had an at bat or played in the field. 678. 18fan posted: 10.08.2013 - 12:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Washington actually played 92 games in 1974 and 13 more in 1975, but still never played an inning of defense or had an at bat. 679. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.08.2013 - 1:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not so deep thoughts: my Braves have once again bowed out early in the playoffs. Ever since 1991 they have had great team after great team, and only got one World Series out of it. It is like being a Peyton Manning fan. Very frustrating. In the playoffs every year except for maybe 5 times since 1991 and we have one championship. Ugh. 680. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.08.2013 - 2:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 18 playoff appearances since 1991 and only one World Series win. How is that even possible? 681. 83andJoe posted: 10.08.2013 - 2:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) >And remember that JGR has a HUGE pipeline of developmental drivers, including Joey Coulter, Erik Jones, Drew Herring, Chad Hachenbracht, and Gray Gaulding. Darrell Wallace, Jr. and Parker Kligerman, too. But JGR's track record with developmental drivers has been...spotty. 682. 18fan posted: 10.08.2013 - 2:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) My take on the Chasers at this point and outlook for Charlotte: Matt Kenseth-Has been king of the 1.5 milers this year with 4 wins and had the second best car in the 600 before being involved in a late crash. Crazy fast all year, evidenced by 2nd most laps led and most races led. Has led every Chase race, including most laps twice. 1 win, 2 top 5s, 6 top 10s, 4th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 15th in 600 (led 112 laps). Jimmie Johnson-Stranglehold on Charlotte is long gone with only 1 win since 2005 (coming in 2009), but still the odds on favorite to win every week. Leads series in laps led, so bonus points will be coming their way at some point. Have had the fastest car in the last two 1.5 mile races but haven't been able to capitalize with finishes of 5th and 6th. Has 1 win, 3 top 5s, 4 top 10s, 3rd in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 22nd in 600. Kevin Harvick-Dominated Kansas and won 600 in May, 3rd at Chicago as well. Could be peaking at the right time and a dark horse candidate to overtake #20 and #48 in the championship race. Only non-JGR car to win 1.5 mile race this season. 2 wins, 2 top 5s, 5 top 10s, 13th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Won 600 (Led 28 laps). Jeff Gordon-Team is definitely peaking at the right time speed-wise and beginning to close races well (except for New Hampshire). Hasn't really been competitive at Charlotte with Gustafson, but I never count Gordon out. 0 wins, 1 top 5, 4 top 10s, 5th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 35th (Crash) in 600. Kyle Busch-Team has the speed to get back in the hunt, although it could take some misfortune for #20 and #48 to have a legit shot at title. Biggest obstacle is moving past disastrous weekend at Kansas mentally. Every finish at Charlotte is either top 8 or 25th or worse. Yet to close the deal on a Charlotte win. 0 wins, 6 top 5s, 8 top 10s, 1st in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte by a wide margin. Finished 38th (Engine) in 600 (Led 68 laps). Finishes in Charlotte chase race when in Chase: 6th in 2006, 3rd in 2007, 4th in 2008, 2nd in 2010 and 2011. Greg Biffle-Really hasn't had the speed this year and has relied on bad finishes for other teams more than outstanding finishes of his own. Team has shown flashes this year, so I don't really know what to expect, but I doubt Biffle will contend for the win like he did last year (pole, 4th place finish, 71 laps led). 0 wins, 3 top 5s, 4 top 10s, 11th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 31st (involved in crash, finished 65 laps down) in 600. Kurt Busch-The darkhorse contender. He won't win the title, but could realistically finish 3rd points. Team has had a lot of speed on 1.5 milers all year and have begun to finish off strong runs with appropriate finishes. Could've won 600 without battery issue and had best car in All-Star race. This is the best I've seen Kurt drive. 1 win, 4 top 5s, 5 top 10s, 6th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 3rd in 600 (led 8 laps). Dale Earnhardt, Jr.-Team arguably has their most speed of the season. Engine failure at Chicago doomed championship chances, but can get an upper half points finish. Must get past Charlotte struggles to continue momentum. Needs to improve on restarts (This will never happen). 0 wins, 0 top 5s, 2 top 10s, 30th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte (Avg. finish 26.2) (Only started 9, but David Reutimann in 9th in points scored in the same time frame with 9 starts) Finished 39th (engine) in 600. Clint Bowyer-Speed shown at Bristol, Atlanta, and Richmond was a mirage. Pretty much a 10th place team right now and not improving at the end of races the way they did earlier this year and last year. One of the best teams as far as fuel mileage races go and this could be one (They won this way last year). 1 win, 1 top 5, 4 top 10s, 10th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 8th in 600. Joey Logano-Team has had great speed on intermediates this year and Logano has always been good at Charlotte. Arguably the fastest Ford team much of the year and Logano is driving by far the best of his Cup career. Mediocre run at New Hampshire after Chicago engine failure ended championship hopes, but can get respectable points finish after back-to-back top 5s. Logano is T-3rd in top 5s and T-4 in top 10s this season. 0 wins, 3 top 5s, 6 top 10s, 14th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte (9 starts). Finished 5th in 600. Carl Edwards-One of the hardest teams for me to figure out this year. Sometimes they show great speed and other times are extremely mediocre, but usually finish better than they run when they don't run well. Like most Fords, just lacking some speed. 0 wins, 2 top 5s, 4 top 10s, 19th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 11th in 600 (Led 7 laps) Ryan Newman-Pretty much a typical Ryan Newman season. Decent runs through 3 races left team in contention for top 5 in points, but Kansas crash ended those hopes. Used to own qualifying at Charlotte, not so much any more. Team hasn't had great speed, been an 8th to 15th place car all year. 0 wins, 1 top 5, 4 top 10s, 12th in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 6th in 600. (Led 1 lap) Kasey Kahne-Has taken the mantle from Johnson as best driver at Charlotte and the favorite every Charlotte race. Team has disappeared in the Chase speed-wise. Had decent runs at Chicago, New Hampshire, and Dover, but had problems in each race and weren't really factors outside of leading early at New Hampshire. If they struggle this week there is something wrong with the team because even when Kahne had terrible seasons he was competitive at Charlotte. Usually performs slightly better in 600 than in 500. 1 win, 5 top 5s, 7 top 10s, 2nd in points scored in last 10 races at Charlotte. Finished 2nd in 600 (Led 161 laps). Predicted Championship Top 7 1. Johnson 2. Kenseth 3. Kyle 4. Kurt 5. Harvick 6. Gordon 7. Logano 683. 18fan posted: 10.08.2013 - 2:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Maybe JGR is using KBM as a way to develop drivers without costing their Cup drivers "precious" seat time in the Nationwide Series chasing the "prestigious" owner's championship that ESPN cares about as much if not more than the driver's championship. Matt Kenseth has run 12 races this year after running 27 combined between 2008-2012 and 15 of those come in 2009. He ran 7 in 2008, 3 in 2010, 1 in 2011 (as a fill-in for Trevor Bayne), and 0 last year. 684. 18fan posted: 10.08.2013 - 2:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) My predicted top 10 at Charlotte (No particular order at this point) Johnson Kahne Kenseth Kyle Kurt Harvick Logano Edwards McMurray (Just have a feeling about him having a good run) Gordon 685. 18fan posted: 10.08.2013 - 2:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) From a couple posts ago, Reutimann is 8th in points scored at Charlotte in the last 10 races and has only started 9 of them. I said Reut was 9th in the outlook on Junior. 686. Scott. B posted: 10.08.2013 - 3:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Busch will have a job at JGR as long as the M and M/Mars marketing folks are happy, it's as simple as that. Times are tough, not even an organization like Gibbs can make a dramatic move like letting Kyle go without considering the economic impact. As much as I think Shrub is a tool, a guy who can win 4 or 5 races a year, even if he doesn't produce a championship, is more marketable than an Elliott Sadler type or an unproven prospect who might take years to produce or who might never really succeed at the Cup level. So, unless Kyle throws a tantrum that finally causes his sponsors to smack their heads and say no more, don't get your hopes up. 687. Paul posted: 10.08.2013 - 3:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Great post, Jim Davis (#620). Monster Energy wanted to sponsor Kyle Busch, JGR wanted Kyle back in their Nationwide car (I think Denny Hamlin's lack of desire to run Nationwide races played a part in this.), and Kyle wanted to put Monster Energy in victory lane. All three things have happened this season, and all three sides are happy because of it. Also, the #54 team has put another driver in the car for all six non-companion Nationwide races this season, as well as the Talladega race in the spring (and likely one more race, since Kyle Busch supposedly will only run 25 races this season). If the Nationwide Series had more non-companion races, I think JGR would be able to put another driver (i.e. Drew Herring, Joey Coulter, Bubba Wallace) in the #54 car for more races, and Monster Energy would be understanding given the situation. And if said driver runs very well and/or wins the race, the chances of Monster Energy wanting to sponsor that driver again goes up, as well as that driver's chances of obtaining a full-time ride with JGR. Sorry if you don't like it, but that's just the way it is nowadays in NASCAR. "if Gibbs were to pull the plug on Kyle Busch, who would they replace him with, because I see no suitable replacement in any of NASCAR's major series." Don't quit your job unless you've got another one, and don't fire your driver unless you've got another one. The only available drivers that JGR should pursue should they lose their minds and fire one of the best drivers they've ever had are Martin Truex, Jr., Parker Kligerman, and Ryan Blaney; a 2-time Cup winner in eight seasons, and two drivers who have never attempted a Cup race before. Yeah, I think I'll take my chances with the 28-year old driver with 28 Cup victories, even if he's had his share of meltdowns. "What about Sam Hornish?" Hornish had as many top tens in the #22 car last season as Joey Logano has wins in that same car this season. Plus, he might just lose the Nationwide title to a winless driver who, for the most part, has been a hesitant passer this season in the black #3 (47.98% pass efficiency; 6th worst among full-time drivers). If Hornish does go to JGR after this season, it will be to drive the #20 Nationwide car once Brian Vickers departs for MWR full-time in 2014 (Although from what I've heard, that car will likely become a multi-driver car next season, similar to how the #18 Nationwide car is this season.). "But JGR's track record with developmental drivers has been...spotty." Matt DiBenedetto would agree. "the "prestigious" owner's championship that ESPN cares about as much if not more than the driver's championship" I'd rather have ESPN hype up the battle for the Nationwide Series owner's championship than to make a mockery of the underwhelming battle for the driver's championship like so many people on these comments pages have (Ex. "Does anybody want to win this championship?"). 688. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.08.2013 - 8:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) This Saturday will tell us a lot about Kyle Busch and the rest of the season. Charlotte is one of his best tracks and he should score a top3 finish. We will see if he just gives up and fails to finish in the top5 in points yet again. Then it will be conclusive evidence as far as I am concerned that he is a quitter 689. cjs3872 posted: 10.08.2013 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well DSFF, for the most part, the Braves have run into better teams. For instance, the Dodgers are a better team, and quite possibly the best team in MLB this year. They also lost to he Yankees twice in the World Series, and would have lost to them in '98 had they got there that year. But another big reason is that most of the Braves teams were built to get into the playoffs, but they were built in such a way that they weren't going to succeed once they got there, and this year's team was another example. It was a HR-or nothing team, and against top-quality pitching, that's never going to work. e Braves teams of the 90s were built around great control pitchers, but those kind of pitchers also rarely succeed in the post-season because the threat of the strikeout just isn't there. In the post-season, power pays off, especially power pitching, but you also have to have a good manager, and the Braves' manager butchered last night's game. He had it in his grasp, but his refusal to use Kimbrel for two innings was what got them beat. They interviewed Tom Lasorda earlier in the series, and he said it best when he said that you couldn't manage in the post-season the same way you do in the regular season. Don Mattingly rolled the dice and started Clayton Kershaw, hoping to wrap up the series, and look what it got him. He's going to be able to start Greinke and Kershaw, two Cy Young Award winners, in the first two games of the NLCS, which will give them a big advantage over whoever they face. And the collapse of the Braves wasn't even the worst thing to happen to Atlanta sports last night. That distinction goes to the Falcons. Allowing the Jets to beat you in your place? C'mon. They just giftwrapped the NFC South to the Saints last night. 690. 83andJoe posted: 10.08.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) >Martin Truex, Jr., Parker Kligerman, and Ryan Blaney; a 2-time Cup winner in eight seasons, and two drivers who have never attempted a Cup race before. Actually, Kligerman qualified for the second Cup race at Michigan last year, in Sam Hornish's car as Hornish was at the Nationwide race on qualifying day... 691. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.08.2013 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I know the Braves were too much of a HR dependent team. I'm just lamenting the fact we have made the playoffs EIGHTEEN times since 1991 and only have one World Series win. Eighteen times? You would think we would at least stumble into one or two others. That we would just catch fire at the startof the playoffs once, or have all the other teams fall apart another time. One World Series win deapite 18 playoff appearances since 1991. And 7 straight one and dones now. We are the Peyton Manning of baseball. As for the Falcons, that was a frustrating loss last night, and a frustrating season. Although I am a Panthers fan, God help me, I pulled for the Falcons before the Panthers showed up in '95 so there is still some attachment there. Though I have to give Geno Smith credit. He was cool as ice on that last drive. Amd I have to criticize him for not holding up the hilariously pathetic standard of the New York Jets. A true Jets QB would have found a way to blow that last drive by doing something hilarious. 692. Baker posted: 10.08.2013 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Who is a bigger chokester Kyle Busch or Heilo Castroneves? 693. David posted: 10.08.2013 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Hornish had as many top tens in the #22 car last season as Joey Logano has wins in that same car this season. Plus, he might just lose the Nationwide title to a winless driver who, for the most part, has been a hesitant passer this season in the black #3 (47.98% pass efficiency; 6th worst among full-time drivers)." Dillon has a 57.84% pass efficiency in the last three events (compare with Hornish's 48.42% efficiency), and a 4.071 PEER in the last seven, dating back to Mid-Ohio. On the broader spectrum, Hornish and the #12 team are much better at closing races (74.07% base retainment percentage at finish, +6.1% position retainment difference) than Dillon (57.14% BRP-F, -5.5% PRD-F). The teams are equally relevant (86.21%), and not only does the #3 have a better average finish (9.3 to 9.6), they are also more consistent (7.4 finish deviation to 9.8). All in all, while the races might be depressing, the title battle may shape up to be a hum-dinger, despite the unconventional way they're going about trying to win it. ;) 694. cjs3872 posted: 10.08.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) DSFF, I think the fact that the Braves have been to the post-season so many times since 1991 with only one championship shows just how difficult it is to win a championship with a multi-tiered playoff system. Having now to win three post-season series to win it all makes it incredibly difficult to win the World Series. That's why what the Yankees did from 1998-2001 is so incredible, because they won 11 consecutive post-season series (five or six in sweeps) and were three outs away from a 12th straight post-season series win. Just think about this. No team lurks like a shadow to the rest of the competition like the Cardinals do, and even they blew a 3-1 series lead to the Giants last year. And also, just think of the number of times the Twins and A's have made the playoffs since 2000, and neither has gotten to the World Series in that time, and each has made the ALCS only once in that period. And in the last 12 years (2001-'12), nine different teams have won the World Series, with no team winning it more than twice. I believe that's entirely due to the three-tiered playoff system now in place (four for Wild Card teams). 695. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.08.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The thing with baseball is, the game is heavily dependent on luck. Just look at regular season records, the top teams have the winning percentage of a 10-6 NFL team, and the bottom teams have the winning percentage of a 5-11 NFL team. In the NFL this season, the Broncos may very well have a chance to go 16-0, and the Jaguars will be lucky to not go 0-16. In baseball, even in modern times when teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers buy up all the top talent, and teams like the Marlins and Astros refuse to maintain reasonable payrolls, there was only a difference of .300 percentage points between the top and bottom teams this past season. The nature of the game means there's not so much of a difference between the top and bottom teams, so even though the Braves could win so many straight division titles, it doesn't necessarily mean they were that much better that they should be expected to win the World Series, though the long record of success definitely proves they were among the best over a large sample size. In fact, I'm sure if you replaced one Wild Card team in each league with the worst team in each league, one of the worst teams would win the World Series one out of every 10 years. 696. cjs3872 posted: 10.08.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) That's the thing, NLA. In MLB, the best teams generally LOSE one-third of their games and the worst teams generally WIN one-third of their games. What separates the teams is what they do with the other third of their games. If you take the season by 54-game segments in terms of what they do, everyone wins and loses at least 54 games, but it's those other 54 games that separate the field in MLB. 697. Eric posted: 10.08.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No one mentioned that there is going to be less seating at Michigan International Speedway. MIS announced that they are going to get a rid of all the seats in turn 3 and the capacity of the track will be down to 72,000 compare to 87,000 in 2012 and this year. The interesting fact is MIS was able to hold 137,000 fans in 2006, but it shrunk to 108,000 by 2011 than in went to 87,000 in 2012. 698. Scott. B posted: 10.09.2013 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Quirky fact: Harvick wins this race from the pole, and leads the most laps. Last time he was on the pole for a Cup race, way back in September 2006 at Loudon, he also won the race and led the most laps. For a guy who doesn't win a lot of poles, he sure is a threat to dominate when he does. 699. Scott. B posted: 10.09.2013 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Harvick also won the 03 Brickyard from the pole. So, 6 career poles, with 3 ending in victory lane. 700. Paul posted: 10.09.2013 - 2:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 83andJoe, that's not the same as Kligerman actually attempting to make a Cup race, but I get your point. Jeff Burton says that he's very close to finishing up a contract for the 2014 season. He can't reveal the team, but has stated it will be a Sprint Cup team. I hope it's not Furniture Row Racing though, because I want to see Martin Truex, Jr. leave MWR for FRR at the conclusion to this season. Plus, that team is currently in the upswing as far as productivity on the track is concerned(Largely because of Kurt Busch and their new RCR alliance.), and I see the possibility of hiring Burton as being the opposite of progress, based on what little he has done at RCR the past three seasons. 701. Paul posted: 10.09.2013 - 2:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "6 career poles, with 3 ending in victory lane." And a worst finish of 12th. 702. An Aussie Commentor posted: 10.09.2013 - 4:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I have been commenting anonomoysly for a while, and I have got a burning question. I Probably already know the answer, but I have been suprised before. Am I the only one who sees Johanna Long at NEMCO Motorsports in the next couple of years, once Joe Nemechek finally decides to retire. 703. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.09.2013 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Am I the only one who sees Johanna Long at NEMCO Motorsports in the next couple of years, once Joe Nemechek finally decides to retire." Yes, you probably are. Whenever Nemechek retires, I'm sure the first driver he would be trying to give an opportunity to would be his son John Hunter. By the way, welcome to the ranks of the non-anonymous. 704. jabber1990 posted: 10.09.2013 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Am I the only one who sees Johanna Long at NEMCO Motorsports in the next couple of years, once Joe Nemechek finally decides to retire." isn't NEMCO a Start and Park organization? or is it a full-time team who just has shit funding? if it is the latter than its a much better outfit than Johanna is in now 705. murb posted: 10.09.2013 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Damn, Travis Kvapil got arrested for allegedly assaulting his wife. He's one of the last guys that I would expect to be in a situation like that. 706. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.09.2013 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Travis Kvapil? Like murb said, I guess it shows you just never know. I could think of 35 Cup drivers I'd imagine getting a domestic abuse charge before him. Starting with Ricky Stenhouse *rimshot* 707. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.09.2013 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Travis Kvapil? Like murb said, I guess it shows you just never know. I could think of 35 Cup drivers I'd imagine getting a domestic abuse charge before him." And then there are some drivers like Jeff Gordon whose wives look like they could beat them! Lol 708. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.09.2013 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow, that was certainly unexpected, Travis always seemed like a decent guy. What's really ironic is that his car for the Charlotte race was due to feature a ribbon for domestic violence awareness. I hope his wife is doing well, wherever she is now. 709. David posted: 10.09.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Tennessee and Virginia Tech will play a football game at Bristol Motor Speedway in 2016, according to reports. O-kay..? 710. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.09.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Between her bulk and him being a midget, Gordon's wife would beat the shit out of him if she wanted to. 711. Jim Davis posted: 10.09.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Wow, that was certainly unexpected, Travis always seemed like a decent guy." Either Kvapil is a lowlife for beating his wife or his wife is a lowlife for accusing Kvapil of beating her. I've seen this story play out both ways. Let's wait until everyone has had their say before demonizing anyone. 712. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.09.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Tennessee and Virginia Tech will play a football game at Bristol Motor Speedway in 2016, according to reports. O-kay..?" I thought this possibility was pretty much ruled out when the new scoring pylon was constructed, but it seems like a great site for a football game. "Either Kvapil is a lowlife for beating his wife or his wife is a lowlife for accusing Kvapil of beating her. I've seen this story play out both ways. Let's wait until everyone has had their say before demonizing anyone." I agree, but I have to admit I generally have a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality when it comes to charges as serious as this (good thing I will not be a juror). If there is evidence to the contrary that comes out, I will certainly change my mind. 713. 83andJoe posted: 10.09.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) >isn't NEMCO a Start and Park organization? or is it a full-time team who just has shit funding? if it is the latter than its a much better outfit than Johanna is in now In between. This year they're trying to run full races in the Cup series, but they usually wind up spending ~30 laps in the garage at some point trying to fix things to finish, and other times they park. In Busch, it's more the latter... As for Kvapil, I'll reserve judgement until more details are known. However /if/ the charges as filed are correct...well, they're spookily similar to what a dear friend of mine suffered through once, and...yeah. 714. Anonymous posted: 10.09.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) So Kvapil.... is a wife beater?!?!?!?! 715. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.09.2013 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think Gisele could kick Tom Brady's Ass. 716. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.09.2013 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Gisele would pretend it is the Super Bowl and she is that Giants' D-Line. 717. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.09.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm just glad Reutimann isn't a championship contender because if he was he could pretty much kiss it goodbye since he's probably "distracted" now, or at least that's what I'm told should happen. With regards to Kvapil, I'm always a big advocate of just letting the justice process play it's course. I just hope if he is a wife beater that his wife isn't the type to drop the charges and let him come back home only to be faced with the same abuse a short time later. That scenario tends to happen all too often. If she was really abused by him it should be "syanara, Travis" because a lot of domestic abuse cases eventually turn deadly. In fact, I've heard that the highest ranking call that cops who have been killed were responding to are domestic abuse calls. 718. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.09.2013 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) From the Mooresville Tribune... "Kvapil, who drives for BK Racing, currently ranks 27th in NASCAR's Sprint Cup standings. He has one victory this season." 719. DB1995 posted: 10.09.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Cant wait to go see the VOLS kick ass in 2016 at Bristol Motor Speedway! 720. murb posted: 10.09.2013 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "He has one victory this season." lol 721. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.09.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) LOL, someone has so little to do with their life that they went through and thumbs downed all 20 comments past 700. I normally don't pay attention to the thumbs but it's just sad when a troll has nothing better to do with their life than to sit down and click a little red thimbs down icon 20 times, waiting for the page to reload in between each time. 722. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.09.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And as I was commenting, they continued going up the page, up through 691 now. Wow, go find a girlfriend or something. 723. David posted: 10.09.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "syanara, Travis" For future reference, it's spelled "sayonara". 724. Eric posted: 10.09.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NoLongerAnonymous, That troll is starting is up to post 682 now. 725. Daniel posted: 10.09.2013 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) condolences to Martha piston family praying for comfort from God for them. 726. Kyle posted: 10.09.2013 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I wonder who will be in the 93 this weekend? There is no way Burger King will let Kvapil keep his ride, even if they hardly give the team any money. 727. jabber1990 posted: 10.09.2013 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I had an ex-GF who accused me of beating her up. yes I took her back a couple of times, it obviously never worked out 728. JG24FanForever posted: 10.09.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Random stats: Dale Earnhardt's wins, Top 5's and Top 10's in his last 10 races of 1980,1987 and 1995 seasons. 1980: 2 wins, 7 Top 5's, 8 Top 10's 1987: 3 wins(consecutive), 7 Top 5's(all Top 2's), 7 Top 10's 1995: 2 wins, 8 Top 5's, 10 Top 10's(It's extremely rare to find 10-10) Jeff Gordon's wins,Top 5's and Top 10's in his last 10 races of 1995,1996,1997,1998,2000,2003,2007. 1995: 2 wins, 4 Top 5's, 7 Top 10's 1996: 4 wins, 8 Top 5's, 8 Top 10's 1997: 2 wins, 6 Top 5's, 7 Top 10's 1998: 4 wins, 9 Top 5's(8 Top 2's), 10 Top 10's(average finish of 2.0 for the last 20 races of 1998.) 2000: 1 win, 5 Top 5's, 9 Top 10's(Overlooked finish to that season.) 2003: 2 wins, 7 Top 5's, 8 Top 10's 2007: 2 wins, 6 Top 5's, 9 Top 10's(He still lost by 77 points.) Wins for the last 10 races of the season: Jimmie Johnson--25 (He has more than Big E and Wonderboy, with hundreds of fewer starts.) Dale Earnhardt--23 Jeff Gordon-----23 Jeff Gordon's Top 5% for the last ten races of each season in his career is .431, and his Top 10% is .635 Jimmie Johnson's Top 5% for the last ten races of each season in his career is .517, and his Top 10% is .724 DSFF can do the leg work for Big E's season ending numbers. 729. jabber1990 posted: 10.09.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) a driver beat up his wife? and people say NASCAR drivers aren't Athletes 730. The Long Shot posted: 10.09.2013 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "Travis Kvapil? Like murb said, I guess it shows you just never know. I could think of 35 Cup drivers I'd imagine getting a domestic abuse charge before him." I don't think any of us could have thought of any NASCAR drivers who would be idiotic enough to steal Jennifer Jo Cobb's hauler, but... 731. Kyle posted: 10.09.2013 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well this week Travis was going to run a paint scheme to raise awareness for domestic violence..... he definitely succeeded in raising more awareness off the track then he ever possibly could have on the track. 732. TS1420 posted: 10.09.2013 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Well this week Travis was going to run a paint scheme to raise awareness for domestic violence....." What? Are you serious? "Tennessee and Virginia Tech will play a football game at Bristol Motor Speedway in 2016, according to reports." Since they finally got NCAA teams to agree to play a game at Bristol, I wonder how long before Bruton starts demanding/threatening the NFL to host a Super Bowl there. 733. 12345Dude posted: 10.09.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Zackary Shawn you made a great point about "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" . (About why Truck racing wouldn't work in the cup series.) I just feel like the difference in the racing is like the difference between going outside in 10 below and going outside in 90 degrees. And that the racing I'm not sure the cup series can get to the Truck series level. What if we gave toyota, ford, chevy free advertising? Like "ford victory lane". Or live points standings presented by Toyota. Do stuff like that were the car manufactures wouldn't have to pay for the advertising. I don't know I'm just throwing stuff out there. 734. Kyle posted: 10.10.2013 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yep domestic violence and breast cancer, BK Racing announced it this afternoon but has since pulled the picture 735. 12345Dude posted: 10.10.2013 - 12:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Some really good stats JG. I'm a big stat nerd my self even though I don't think I ever post anything stat related on here. 736. joey2448 posted: 10.10.2013 - 1:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Damn. I see I'm not the first person to post the news about Bristol hosting a college game in 2016. If they can transform the place to a dirt bike track, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to create a field in the middle of the track. I'm really curious to know just how they will do it. That's gonna take some work. But get this -- The speedway holds 150,000. The attendance record for college football is 115,109, set last month at Michigan Stadium for the Michigan-Notre Dame game. If Bristol can manage to pack the stands, that game will be ROCKING!!! -- (of course, it would be pathetic if a racetrack can sell out a football game but not a race) If I'm the winning coach of that game, the first thing I would say to the media afterwards would be something along the lines of, "We just wanted to rattle their cage..." (referring to the opposing team) 737. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.10.2013 - 5:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) This has gotten... interesting. Virginia Tech and Tennessee perpetually suck though, so I don't know if they could get enough fans to basically sell out both teams stadiums and then some. 738. DB1995 posted: 10.10.2013 - 7:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Tn regularly has an average attendance at Neyland stadium of 94,000, so i think it can be done 739. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.10.2013 - 9:35 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'd really like to believe Kvapil is innocent and just being accused, but it sure doesn't seem like it at the moment. He was always a guy I would pull for to do well, but if what he is being accused of is true, then shame on him and he lost all my respect. 740. Paul posted: 10.10.2013 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Along with Kyle Larson and Brian Scott, Blake Koch will also be making his Sprint Cup debut this weekend, driving the #95 SupportMilitary.org car for Leavine Family Racing. 741. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.10.2013 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I don't think any of us could have thought of any NASCAR drivers who would be idiotic enough to steal Jennifer Jo Cobb's hauler, but..." The full story there is still not yet know either. It's possible that the hauler could have been rightfully owned by Harmon and Novak and she refused to give it back after their business partnership dissolved. 742. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.10.2013 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "After discussions with NASCAR and the Kvapil family, BK Racing has elected to support Travis and his family," co-owner Ron Devine told FOX Sports on Thursday. "It's the right thing for Travis and his family to let the system take its course." I understand their decision and it's probably the right one for the team given that Travis could later sue for breach of contract if they replaced him and he was not convicted, but they must not be considering Travis' wife a member of his family to make a statement like that. 743. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.10.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) Top 5 moments in Dale Earnhardt's life that happened on October 10: 5) 1979: Although the Fall race at North Wilkesboro isn't for another 4 days, thanks to NASCAR's marathon qualifying procedures of the day to capitolize on the days when fans would show up in droves just to watch qualifying, they probably had first round qualifying on this day, which Dale won. 4) 1993: Gains a crucial 10 points over Rusty on the '93 points battle. 3) 1986: Five days after completing the season sweep at his hometown track of CMS, finally gets over the hangover from the party he threw the night after the race. 2) 1994: For the final time in his life, wakes up after a race day and is not a seven time champion. 1) 1991: You know Taylor did something cute that day that melted The Big Softy's heart. 744. Sector posted: 10.10.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I would like to point out something I just noticed: 1a) Jeff Gordon won the first two starts @ Kansas in 2001 & 2002, during his final championship year & defending year. 1b) Kevin Harvick also won the first two starts @ its sibling track, Chicago, in 2001 & 2002, during his rookie year & sophomore year. 2a) Jeff Gordon went on to win his first & only Chicago race in 2006, despite spinning Matt Kenseth. 2b) Kevin Harvick went on to win Kansas last Sunday, despite Matt Kenseth losing ground (via speeding penalty) in the standings to both Kevin Harvick & Jimmie Johnson. 2c) Matt Kenseth was the car to beat at Chicago. He was also in good position to battle for the win at Kansas prior to the penalty. Two possible wins that got away. 3) Interestingly, Matt Kenseth only has scored one top 10 finishes at each track during the 6 Harvick/Gordon victories. Both 7th places(Chicago 2001 & Kansas 2002). He also has another top 15 finish, 14th at Chicago(2002) to go with an 11th(This specific race last Sunday). His other finishes resulted at the bottom half of the field, both with something-2nd finishes. 22nd @ Chicago(2006), 32nd @ Kansas(2001). Also note that both of the years, Gordon/Harvick had won at the other tracks for their first time after 5+ starts, Matt Kenseth also had been in a championship battle hunt during Chase time. Finishing 2nd to Jimmie Johnson in 2006, & currently leading the points over Jimmie Johnson. Lots of interesting statistics flowing around if you ask me. 745. joey2448 posted: 10.10.2013 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Ok, that had nothing of significance... 746. 12345Dude posted: 10.10.2013 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sector there are also some interesting stats when you look at the past Las Vegas winners in Cup. All the drivers who win there during a certain year either have their best year that year (or very close to it) or they are champion for that year or are close to being champions that year. 747. 12345Dude posted: 10.10.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Also we don't know the full information of the Kvapil information yet. Something else might of happen then what has been told, even though now that seems un-likely. 748. MStall41 posted: 10.10.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Some updated info on that Charlotte test next weekend.... + The Toyota aero package is still going to be the main focus of the test. The package involves a complete elimination of the minimum ride height rule and the overwhelming opinion among industry insiders is that NASCAR is going to go with this package no matter what happens with the test. The 2014 cars are being referred to as the "Ground Zero" cars for this precise reason. + Also, theres a new development that many of us just recently caught wind of. Extensive research between NASCAR and the manufacturers has concluded that using wickers on the roof of the cars at intermediate tracks could be a possible addition to this new aero package. Not only is this something that both CJS and I have been advocating for years, it has the potential to completely change the way intermediate track events are contested. Toyota thinks the wickers will only enhance the "anti-aero-push" effect of the minimum ride height idea, so this will be heavily tested next Monday without a doubt. 749. Eric posted: 10.10.2013 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think we now know who our thumbs down troll. It is odd that from posts, 747 to 726 has a thumbs down, then every post from 724 to 673 has a thumbs down also. Post 725 is the only post from 747 to 673 that didn't have a thumbs down with the poster being Daniel. It is very likely that the thumbs down troll is Daniel or is a friend, or a relative of his. The only explanation is someone is trying to frame him. 750. Eric posted: 10.10.2013 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I was wrong on the posts with thumbs down. There was 3 posts from 747 to 673 without a thumbs down. There was not any thumbs down from posts 721 and 722 being NoLongerAnonymous besides 725. The catch is NoLongerAnonymous had posts thumbs down on posts 712,708, 703, and 695. NoLongerAnonymous also mentioned about there being a thumbs down troll on 721 and 722. 751. Sector posted: 10.10.2013 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Ok, that had nothing of significance..." Of course, the same could be said of a lot of posts on here, I was just wanted to share something cool, but guess I was wrong. Guess I need to start comparing Dale Sr's stats & Jeff Gordon's stats to be significant to anything right? Cool, I'll keep that in mind next time. Travis Kvapil to continue racing behind the wheel of the 93 BK Racing car @ Charlotte. As for the wife-beating situation, all I will say is I see Travis as a sadistic individual. Until it is proven to be false, I'm sticking to that story. "Sector there are also some interesting stats when you look at the past Las Vegas winners in Cup. All the drivers who win there during a certain year either have their best year that year (or very close to it) or they are champion for that year or are close to being champions that year." That is correct, except for three times in my opinion: 1) Jimmie Johnson's 2005 I felt was his 2nd worst year(2011 being the first) thus far. 2) Kyle Busch's won here in 2009 yes, but missing the Chase playoffs after having his best year in Cup 2008 wasn't that impressive, unless of course, you count his Nationwide Championship a plus. 3) Tony Stewart's 2012 wasn't necessarily one of his "better" years. I'd rank this is possibly his third worst season behind 2013 & 2008. 752. Sector posted: 10.10.2013 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My apologies, I keep thinking Hendrick Motorsports' 2005 season was a struggling one even with the whole Tony vs 5 Jack Roush guys fiasco, that Jimmie was 2nd in points heading into Homestead. One can argue that, but the other two points still stands. 753. DB1995 posted: 10.10.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) congrats to Ashley Stremme on winning the BetterHalfDash! 754. 83andJoe posted: 10.10.2013 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >The package involves a complete elimination of the minimum ride height rule ... The aero-push comes from the fact that the cars are too low to the track as it is. What numbskull decided that making them /lower/ was the fix?! 755. cjs3872 posted: 10.10.2013 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To go further on your point about Hendrick Motorsports in 2005, Sector, not only was Jimmie Johnson a real threat for he championship entering the final race that year, but because he was horrific in mid-season, people forget that Jeff Gordon also won four times that year, including his third Daytona 500 and one of the most dominating ever scored at Talladega, plus a sweep at Martinsville (his last two wins there to date), but Kyle Busch also won as a rookie, setting a record for being the youngest driver ever to win any 500-mile race that wasn't broken until Trevor Bayne won the 2011 Daytona 500. In all, Hendrick Motorsports won nine times in 2009, but when their drivers weren't winning, they were wildly inconsistent, as both Gordon and Busch missed the Chase and Johnson faltered late in the season. And I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but car owner Michael Shank brought a sports car with a Roush-Yates engine to Daytona yesterday and Colin Braun, an ex-Roush development driver, ran a lap at nearly 223 MPH (222.971 MPH, to be exact) and set records for the fastest 10 miles and 10 kilometers (about 6.25 miles) from a standing start. For those wondering why sports cars don't run oval tracks, that's a big reason why, though I'm not sure it would be a bad idea to see a sports car race on a short track, such as Martinsville or Richmond, or even a flat 1 mile track, and have each class have a race of their own, instead of having multiple classes out there at the same time. But putting on such a race on a high-speed track is a bad idea, and Braun's record lap speed is why. 756. joey2448 posted: 10.10.2013 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHOOO!!! That pole lap that Jeff Gordon just put up was AWESOME!!! He was over a tenth behind going into turn three, and he made it all up off turn four! He is...a legend! So stoked! 757. The Long Shot posted: 10.10.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) On Kvapil: Innocent until proven guilty. We've seen things turn out one way in stories like this, and we've seen them turn the other way. I really don't have a problem with what BK Racing did. Until it can be definitively proved that he assaulted his wife, I say he's free to drive. On thumbs-downs: For the thousandth time, it doesn't matter. Don't waste your time trying to find out what idiot it is. Move on with your lives. 758. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.10.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I was wrong on the posts with thumbs down. There was 3 posts from 747 to 673 without a thumbs down. There was not any thumbs down from posts 721 and 722 being NoLongerAnonymous besides 725. The catch is NoLongerAnonymous had posts thumbs down on posts 712,708, 703, and 695. NoLongerAnonymous also mentioned about there being a thumbs down troll on 721 and 722." He must be trying to frame me, but his lack of consistency has given him away. You can't thumbs down your own posts. Trust me, I have tried. There goes Mr. Hendrick once again giving Jeff Gordon the worst cars the team could possivly manufacture... 759. 12345Dude posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes good point Sector about the 3 other winners. I think the reason for Las Vegas determining usually the best drivers of the season is because most "cookie cutter tracks" are fairly close setup wise and the schedule has so many of them. So the ones who win the first one, should later on succeed on the other ones because the setups are fairly similar, and because there are 5 of them in the chase succeeding on them determines success for the overall season, usually. 760. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "To go further on your point about Hendrick Motorsports in 2005, Sector, not only was Jimmie Johnson a real threat for he championship entering the final race that year, but because he was horrific in mid-season, people forget that Jeff Gordon also won four times that year, including his third Daytona 500 and one of the most dominating ever scored at Talladega, plus a sweep at Martinsville (his last two wins there to date), but Kyle Busch also won as a rookie, setting a record for being the youngest driver ever to win any 500-mile race that wasn't broken until Trevor Bayne won the 2011 Daytona 500. In all, Hendrick Motorsports won nine times in 2009, but when their drivers weren't winning, they were wildly inconsistent, as both Gordon and Busch missed the Chase and Johnson faltered late in the season." That's how I view a season. Its not only by wins, but also the consistency of the races you haven't won. Yes, Jeff Gordon may had possibly 4 of some of his most amazing win highlights in 2005, but most of the other races resulted in him failing to make the chase, via similar to Kyle Busch's 2009 basically. Jeff had 12 finishes of 30th or worse, you pointed out Jimmie's horrific mid-season, Kyle Busch winning twice in his rookie year, but 20 finishes of 20th or worse, including 5 in the 40's, isn't very pretty either for a very talented racer. Then Brian Vickers need no explanation. The thing that pointed 2005 out for me in Jimmie Johnson, is his crashing in front of the then-race leader, Jeff Gordon. Which shoved him back to 5th in points, his 2nd worst points finishing of his career to 2011's 6th(I exclude rookie seasons in this regard because, well, you're a rookie! Despite what you've accomplished in your first year: Leading points, winning 3 times, etc). Also CJS, I've been reading around on this site for a couple years now & haven't been commenting as much as you can see, but I really enjoy reading your posts on here. "Yes good point Sector about the 3 other winners. I think the reason for Las Vegas determining usually the best drivers of the season is because most "cookie cutter tracks" are fairly close setup wise and the schedule has so many of them. So the ones who win the first one, should later on succeed on the other ones because the setups are fairly similar, and because there are 5 of them in the chase succeeding on them determines success for the overall season, usually." Yes, I heard rumors about Las Vegas being included in the chase, replacing Homestead perhaps? What's up with that? 761. Sector posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Oops, I forgot to put my name in. Also I'd like to ask, when did Hendrick Motorsports first expanded to a four-car organization? 2001/2002 when Jimmie came into the picture, correct? 762. kup posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) UPS - Universal Points System 2013 Nascar Cup after 30/36 races UPS-Points = Drivers Distance /devide/ Average Finish 953 Jimmie Johnson 11149 / 11,7 909 Clint Bowyer 11270 / 12,4 893 Kevin Harvick 10716 / 12,0 892 Carl Edwards 11332 / 12,7 871 Matt Kenseth 11064 / 12,7 Top-5 are 2 Chevy + 2 Toyota + 1 Ford 791 Kyle Busch 10673 / 13,5 787 Dale Earnhardt, Jr, 11016 / 14,0 784 Kurt Busch 11370 / 14,5 770 Greg Biffle 11090 / 14,4 758 Jeff Gordon 10913 / 14,4 Top-10 are 5 Chevy + 3 Toyota + 2 Ford 732 Joey Logano 10754 / 14,7 708 Martin Truex, Jr, 11108 / 15,7 707 Jamie McMurray 11377 / 16,1 695 Brad Keselowski 11113 / 16,0 676 Ryan Newman 10948 / 16,2 Top-15 are 7 Chevy + 4 Toyota + 4 Ford 640 Kasey Kahne 10632 / 16,6 635 Paul Menard 11052 / 17,4 606 Aric Almirola 11089 / 18,3 590 Jeff Burton 11146 / 18,9 589 Marcos Ambrose 11190 / 19,0 Top-20 are 10 Chevy + 6 Ford + 4 Toyota 582 Ricky Stenhouse 11286 / 19,4 573 Juan Montoya 11175 / 19,5 501 Tony Stewart 8065 / 16,1 477 Casey Mears 11208 / 23,5 446 Mark Martin 8957 / 20,1 408 Denny Hamlin 9140 / 22,4 763. Unser1 posted: 10.27.2013 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor: #10 Danica Patrick- GoDaddy Breast Cancer Awareness 764. Braindead Zombie posted: 04.26.2016 - 11:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1291 days since he last won... and counting. 765. Braindead Zombie posted: 04.26.2016 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crap, completely posted that on the wrong page. It was meant for Bowyer. 766. Taylor posted: 05.27.2017 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone have this full race? 767. Wil posted: 09.27.2018 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was just rewatching this race and we couldn't even get through one turn before Danica "just lost it" and destroyed her car. 400 miles x 4 turns = 1600 turns in the race, and D-bird just wrecked unassisted in lap 1 turn 1. Her Nascar adventure makes me embarrassed on her behalf. 768. 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