|| *Comments on the 2013 Bank of America 500:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. The Long Shot posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (4) (4) Blake Koch apparently decides to do his best Chris Lafferty impersonation. Or maybe it was Jennifer Jo Cobb. It's so hard to tell these days... 2. BON GORDON posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (9) Yea baby! Comment number one. Obviously I'm happy with the results on this qualifying session. Pole #74 for Gordon! 3. BON GORDON posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (8) Noooooo!!!!! #2 4. Schroeder51 posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 3 drivers making their Cup Series debut Saturday night: Scott, Larson, and Koch. Out of curiosity, when was the last time that happened? It doesn't seem like it's happened all that often over the past several years... 5. The Long Shot posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If this race is as much of a wreck-fest as the 600 was back in May, I wouldn't be surprised if Scott and/or Larson scored top 10 finishes Saturday night. 6. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Wasn't his first ever pole in this race 20 years ago? 7. TS1420 posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Kenseth the lowest qualifying Chase driver, in 20th.... I know it's just qualifying, but it's like he is trying to concede the Cup to Nap-Time. 8. Eric posted: 10.10.2013 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) TS1420, You are not looking at all the facts why Matt Qualified 20th. Matt had a bad draw. He was first driver out for qualifying and that is a problem at Charlotte. Matt was the 8th fastest in practice and that shows Matt had a bad draw. More proof of what a bad draw does, take a look at Kasey Kahne. Kasey had the fastest car in practice and went out 2nd on a very weather sensitive track at night and started 5th. 9. Ed posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @DSFF: You would be correct. It earned him his spot in the 1994 Busch Clash, a race he ended up winning after pretty much everyone assumed Earnhardt would dominate and win 10. Ed posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 6-1 odds for Kyle Busch? That's pretty high for a guy who's never won a Cup race at Charlotte 11. Sector posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff Gordon scores his career high 9th pole at Charlotte(first @ the track since fall 2010), 74th career pole & 2nd of the season (as well as 2nd in the last 6 races). Kevin Harvick starts on front row for the 2nd week in a row. Look out for Harvick. 12. Eric posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ed, Kyle Busch actually runs very well at Charlotte and that makes sense with Kyle's odds. The people doing the odds are betting on Kyle is going to break through with a win. The fact is Kyle has won at 2 similar tracks to Charlotte this year in Texas and Atlanta. Since the 2007 fall race at Charlotte, Kyle only has 2 races that he finished outside of the top 10 with being caused by a crash and another one by an engine. Kyle actually has led 858 laps at Charlotte. That means Kyle had the cars to win, but he can't finish the deal. 13. Neal posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (7) (4) Ok, can I laugh at the fact that both Brian Scott and Kyle Larson out-qualified Lapdownica? 14. Scott. B posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Four Hendrick cars in the top six qualifiers. 15. The Sound posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Tigers!!! My only regret if they go on to win this year is that my grandfather passed away before he could see it. He was such a faithful follower of the team, he listened to every game. 16. Scott. B posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm not a gambler, but when I see Almirola and Stenhouse at 100-1 odds, they seem to be tempting longshots. 17. Jim Davis posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "6-1 odds for Kyle Busch? That's pretty high for a guy who's never won a Cup race at Charlotte" The odds are set by the amount of betting action a driver gets. The more people that bet on a driver the lower the odds (and potential payout) will go. Busch's odds are 6-1 not because of some objective calculation of his chances of winning but because more people are betting on him than any other driver except Kenseth and Johnson. 18. joey2448 posted: 10.10.2013 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) I was STOKED after watching Gordon earn this pole! Watching the ESPN tracker coming around turn two and onto the backstretch, I was thinking, "Eh, looks like he won't be on pole. Hopefully he'll grab a top-10 starting position." -- Then, as the 24 rounded turn four and down the frontstretch, my thoughts were, "Wow he's really making up time...Oh my god! HE GOT IT!!!"......Now he just needs to win a race this year. I think Jimmie may be nervous to see his teammate running fast. That ol' 24 machine's still got some magic in her, you watch yourself "Superman"... About two weeks ago, I was thinking, boy Harvick is quietly sitting fourth in points and no one's talking about him. I think Harvick is looking really good for the championship should Jimmie or Matt have problems. Harvick is just consistently there. Kyle Larson starts 21st in his Cup debut, the same starting position today's polesitter qualified in his Cup debut in 1992... 19. JRacingFast posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I got a feeling someone like Earnhardt JR, Kevin Harvick, are Manard could win are end up having great runs saturday night 20. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (16) (2) Well, since I'm apparently the only one who cares that Jeff won the pole on the 20th anniversary race of his first ever pole, I will honor Jeff by listing some of the lesser known moments of his life and career. August 1971: Upon being born, Jeff immediately congratulates the doctors on an "awesome" delivery and stated he is "stoked" to begin living while thanking his sponsors Huggies and Gerber. 1984: After years of racing in quarter midgets, races a full sized sprint car for the first time at age 13 against adults, beginning a life long love of racing against people a lot taller than him. 1985: Family moves to Pittsboro, IN saving Jeff the humiliation of having to list San Francisco as his hometown. 1987: Begins his lifelong quest to grow a decent mustache and have a deeper voice. Still in progress. 1988: Drinks his first beer, pukes. 1990: Makes first runs in a stock car at the Buck Baker Racing School at Rockingham for an ESPN feature, and promptly wrecks all of Buck's cars. 1992: Sponsors himself for the Busch season, puts Baby Ruth on the car because it reminds him of the hilarious swimming pool scene from Caddyshack. October 1992: While driving home one night, Jeff falls asleep and crashes into a paint store. The result is the inspiration for the famous Rainbow DuPont paint scheme. February 1994: Ray Evernham spends the entire pre season 24 team briefing begging Jeff not marry Brooke. May 1994: After his first win in the Winston Cup Series, smartly starts crying in victory lane to take everyone's attention off the bill of his DuPont hat which is bigger than he is. January 1995: Makes a pledge to lead a lap in a Winston Cup race for every time he says "awesome" on a TV interview. Despite leading a stunning 2610 laps, he falls well short of his goal. August 1995: Drinks second beer, pukes. July 1996: Pays Ernie Irvan $500,000 to injure Dale so he can win his second straight Winston Cup. Forgets about Terry. January 1997: At a preseason function, Jeff asks an RJ Reynolds exec what happens if he were to win the Daytona 500, the Coke 600, and the Southern 500, to which the exec answers "we'll give you $1 million". May 1998: Enters the Indianapolis 500 under the pseudonym "Eddie Cheever", wins the race, and in victory lane dramatically pulls off his helmet and says "It was me all along!". Unfortunately this is during the open wheel split, and nobody is watching. Quietly flies to Charlotte and wins the 600. June 1998: Wrecked by Rusty at Richmond and bangs his head just right so he forgets how to lose for the next 5 months. September 1999: Ray Evernham decides he'd rather own a start up Winston Cup team than crew chief another race with Brooke sitting in his pit area. November 2001: Realizing he hasn't yet properly publicly honored his fallen friend and business partner Dale Earnhardt, decides to run really bad at Homestead-Miami Speedway, just like Dale. September 2002: As part of his divorce settlement, he has to give Brooke his jar containing the remains of Jimmy Hoffa. April 2004: With a looming repave at Martinsville, asks the track staff for a chunk of the concrete in the corners as a keepsake for all his success there. They agree, and present it to him just past halfway in the race. November 2006: After getting her pregnant, Ingrid tells Jeff "either marry me right now or I will kill you with my bare hands". Jeff obeys. August 2008: Finally hires somebody to kill the guy who coined the phrase "Drive For Five". November 2008: Passes Ralph Moody for most championships as a co owner. May 2010: Drinks third beer, pukes. November 2010: Asks where they buried the "Drive For Five" guy, pisses on his grave. June 2011: On her 4th birthday, daughter Ella surpasses Jeff in height. November 2012: Lost in the chaos surrounding him at Phoenix, passes Dale Earnhardt on the career list for most losses in a Cup race. September 2013: Proves all his critics wrong who said "Not even NASCAR would just say 'we can't think of anything else, so we are just gonna put Jeff in the chase' ". 21. 18fan posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) In the race where Jeff won his first pole, Ernie Irvan delivered one of the biggest ass-kickings on an intermediate track in a long time, leading all but 6 laps. 22. 83andJoe posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:07 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) Sad news: Maria de Villota, who suffered a horrific crash while testing a Marrusia F1 car last year, was found dead in a Seville hotel room this morning. 23. irony posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Harvick is peaking at the right time, and he quietly has the 2nd best avg finish this season. 24. An Aussie Commentor posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) "Ok, can I laugh at the fact that both Brian Scott and Kyle Larson out-qualified Lapdownica? " Doesn't this prove what BoB said about her being a bad qualifier? And yes, I guess we can laugh. I will say one thing here. Rushica was rushed to the Sprint Cup series too qucikly, I personall think she should have stayed in the Nationwide at least one more year. 25. An Aussie Commentor posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) I meant to say Quickly. 26. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) DSFF, that was an awesome list. Some of your dates were way off, but it was still excellent. "1984: After years of racing in quarter midgets, races a full sized sprint car for the first time at age 13 against adults, beginning a life long love of racing against people a lot taller than him." Sadly, Jeff's now one of the tallest guys out there. If you ever got NASCAR Illustrated (now known as "That Filthy Rag of Dirt") during the period from July 2004 to February 2005, you read the Woody's World column on "The Incredible Shrinking NASCAR Driver." "May 1998: Enters the Indianapolis 500 under the pseudonym "Eddie Cheever", wins the race, and in victory lane dramatically pulls off his helmet and says "It was me all along!". Unfortunately this is during the open wheel split, and nobody is watching. Quietly flies to Charlotte and wins the 600." My favorite one in the list. Explains why Eddie Cheever is such a damned twit. 27. Watto posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Sadly, Jeff's now one of the tallest guys out there." He's slightly under the average if you look at all the drivers in Cup. 28. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 10:44 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Well, since I'm apparently the only one who cares that Jeff won the pole on the 20th anniversary race of his first ever pole, I will honor Jeff by listing some of the lesser known moments of his life and career." That's funny. I could have sworn that Jeff's first pole was the '93 World 600. 29. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:06 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) No, David. Ken Schrader, one of Jeff's HMS teammates at that time, won the pole for that race. But Gordon's pole winning time for this race was more than 2.5 seconds, and 16.724 MPH faster than for his first Cup pole, which was for this very race 20 years ago. His pole speed for this race was 194.308 MPH. His pole speed for this race 20 years ago was 177.684 MPH. And his pole time for this race was 27.791 seconds. 20 years ago, his pole winning time was 30.391 seconds, exactly 2.6 seconds slower than last night's pole time. And his run last night was not that close to the track record, set by Denny Hamlin for the Coca-Cola 600 in May of this year. But that gives you some idea of just how much faster the cars are now, compared to 20 years ago. 30. numbah10hatah posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) #20: That list was hilarious. And I'm a Gordon fan. 31. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Another classic by DSFF. I am really excited to see Brian Scott and Kyle Larson making their debuts this race, it's so great to finally see some fresh faces in Cup with potential. And with Austin Dillon(and possibly Ryan Blaney?)also coming next year we are going to see an awesome ROTY battle for the first time in close to a decade. And for the record, while I don't think it will happen right away, I feel down the road Scott will surprise everyone. A lot of people don't think he can do it, but I have seen him make great strides in the Nationwide series this year. I am aware of his past reputation for mistakes, but remember how much Ricky Stenhouse wrecked early in his Nationwide career. The difference though, is that he seems way more intelligent and likable to me than Stenhouse. I know I am probably in the very small minority on this, but this is what I feel with my heart. 32. 18fan posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) This year has definitely changed my opinion of Brian Scott. Maybe when he was at JGR he was trying too hard, but it was almost guaranteed that if he was near the front he was going to end up with a damaged racecar as a result of overdriving the car. This season he has shown a lot of improvement and that is good to see from a young driver. 33. 18fan posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) One more thing about Scott. I think his win in the truck race at Phoenix last year (Over Kyle Larson, who is also debuting in this race) gave him a bunch of confidence. 34. The Sound posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Spring Kansas and Darlington have switched dates, Kansas becomes a night race. Because we need more night races. Also, Jack Roush has apparently been quoted as stating that he wants to put Chris Buescher in a 4th Cup car, possibly next year. 35. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Spring Kansas and Darlington have switched dates, Kansas becomes a night race. Because we need more night races." So it's official? I agree about the Kansas night race, which is just ridiculous, but I bet they are doing that because the Texas night race usually run in April will become a day race next year. So, they feel that a night race must be run sometime in late April/early May. Having the Southern 500 during the day, though, will probably be very cool since the Transouth 400 was always run as a Spring afternoon race. So it will sort of be a blast from the past. 36. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Also, Jack Roush has apparently been quoted as stating that he wants to put Chris Buescher in a 4th Cup car, possibly next year." If that's the case, then I think it's fair to say that Trevor Bayne's future with Roush is bleak at best. He's shown on numerous occasions that he's ready to move up to Cup, but Roush just doesn't seem to want to bring him up to the next level. If I were Trevor, I'd definitely want out of RFR by season's end. 37. 18fan posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Also, Jack Roush has apparently been quoted as stating that he wants to put Chris Buescher in a 4th Cup car, possibly next year." If this is true he will have passed over Trevor Bayne once again for a Cup ride, although sponsorship could be playing a major role. 38. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Spring Kansas and Darlington have switched dates, Kansas becomes a night race. Because we need more night races." Darlington better be a day race, or else everyone on the site will march down to Daytona Beach and strangle Brian France and Co. with their bare hands. 39. The Sound posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't know how reliable the source is, but the site I saw cited was Racintoday.com. Some of you may know better than I do whether that's legitimate. Jack Roush: "Chris Buescher is going to follow in Ricky Stenhouse's footsteps as soon as I can find a sponsorship for my fourth Cup car. If the rookie fits the profile of the sponsor I've got, Chris Buescher would be the one in the catbird seat." 40. The Sound posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The article also mentioned Ryan Reed was expected to run full-time Nationwide next year, with Pastrana running a limited package. No mention of Bayne. 41. Paul posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The Sound, Trevor Bayne will be driving the #6 Nationwide once again in 2014, with sponsorship from Advocare (Austin Dillon's current sponsor). As for Ryan Reed, he mentioned on Nationwide Series GarageCam yesterday that he would soon be making an announcement regarding his 2014 plans, which could very well be that he will be driving full-time for Roush in the Nationwide Series. 42. Mark N. posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Menard or Almirola for the upset win tomorrow night. 43. The Sound posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #41 Thanks, I just remembered that before I saw your post. 44. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ryan Reed deserves to run full time NNS, so that would be cool. If Pastrana is serious about Nascar then I think it would be much better for him to look for another team anyway (given Roush's wishy washy driver development system), so I think this would work out well for everyone. Chris Buescher getting the fourth Cup car is interesting. Honestly I've been much more impressed with Ryan Reed's runs for Roush, so if I was Roush I would wait until Reed was ready for Cup to bring back the fourth car, but that's just me. 45. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "Darlington better be a day race, or else everyone on the site will march down to Daytona Beach and strangle Brian France and Co. with their bare hands." I really couldn't care less about day or night so there will be no strangling from me, but Darlington deserves a better weekend than some random Saturday in April...especially if the race is still going to carry the "Southern 500" moniker. 46. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.11.2013 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) So apparently, not only does Darlington NOT get Labor Day weekend back, but they also LOSE Mothers' Day weekend. Wow, NASCAR, really? If Jack "Off" Roush gives Chris Buescher a 4th Cup car, then Trevor Bayne should leave immediately. How incompetent can Roush get? 47. Dense Drip posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) # 44 it was just announced Ryan Reed will race full time in 2014. 48. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "So apparently, not only does Darlington NOT get Labor Day weekend back, but they also LOSE Mothers' Day weekend." And to top it all off, it is STILL gonna be a night race. God, I hate the idiots running our sport. 49. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) As for Trevor, he should have left the Roush umbrella after last year. It's been clear for a while now that Stenhouse and now apparently Buescher are Jack's new pet projects. Trevor just doesn't fit Jack's head scratching mold at all. Surely some other team would be interested in getting Trevor into their fold. I personally think it would be cool if he ended up in the 78 car. Not only because he's ready for Cup, but also because having him, Dillon, and Allgaier all starting in Cup full time together at the same time would be a lot of fun to watch. 50. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Whoops, I forgot to mention Larson as another one of the young guys starting in Cup. 51. Eric posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Brian France needs to be drug tested because Kansas has a very good chance of being a disaster from a racing standpoint As a Night race While Kansas is more South than where I live in, the Midwest is unpredictable in temperatures at that time of year in the day. It can be in the 50's to the 80's in the day. Since Kansas had a bad show on Sunday in weather in the 60's, Kansas is likely to be even colder at night and put on a stinker of a show. I am saying this because on May 12th of this year, Kansas had a high temperature of 67 and a low of 40 degrees. 52. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) DSFF can go after Brian France, I'll get Jim France at ISC. *sounds of gagging and choking* 53. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Also, Jack Roush has apparently been quoted as stating that he wants to put Chris Buescher in a 4th Cup car, possibly next year." where is Roush going to get a 4th car? (yes I know he has the 6 car lying around, somewhere)and where is he going to get funding for it? and in the Nationwide series whats the pecking order? is it 6, 16, 60? and if im right would Pastrana have better luck in the 16 car? 54. numbah10hatah posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I honestly don't think Ryan Reed is ready for a full-time Nationwide schedule just yet. I think he needs a few more truck starts at least, and a few more Nationwide starts, and then a full-time schedule. 55. Eric posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think Jack Roush is going to make a mistake if he puts Chris Buescher in a cup car ahead of Trever Bayne. If Chris Buescher is put in to a cup car next year, this is would be David Ragan all over again. David Ragan in the Busch series only had 7 starts before his cup rookie year in 2007. David also didn't have a full year in the Trucks or even ARCA before his cup rookie year in 2007. That actually meant David was totally unprepared for cup and was a disappoint in cup as a result at Roush. 56. numbah10hatah posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And also, I kinda feel bad for Blake Koch because his first start will probably be a start-n-park. 57. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "and in the Nationwide series whats the pecking order? is it 6, 16, 60?" Honestly, I think that in the races in which one of Buescher and/or Reed is in the #16, the pecking order is 16, 6, 60, and it's not even close. Buescher and Reed are Roush's two young pet projects, whereas Bayne seems to be regarded by Roush as some sort of a failure, and Pastrana, I believe, is viewed as nothing more than a signing to attract attention, similar to when the open-wheelers attempt to move up to Cup (Danica and Montoya are the primary examples of this). 58. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2013 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) assuming that Trevor wants to stay with Ford (he's had so much success with them, 2 Nationwide wins and a Daytona 500 with the Wood Brothers) where can he go in the Nationwide series that runs Fords? I belive all the Ford seats in the Cup series are full (even though none of us want him to stay in a Ford, especially one who has a relationship with RFR) so where would he go in the Cup or Nationwide series? or he could go to Gibbs #18 Nationwide car, its basicly the same car Kyle is driving, and that way only 1 seat is open for 3 cup drivers to fill, it will cut down on the number of races that a cup driver will win 59. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) So once again Trevor Bayne, a driver who is-and has been-ready for Cup for quite some time, is apparently being passed over in favor of another young driver. And this time, it's one who is TOTALLY not ready for Cup. Doesn't shock me at all seeing Roush do something like this. It would really be a disappointment if he absolutely killed Trevor's chances of having a competitive Cup career. It would be very sad to see him end up doing start-and-parks for low budget teams (like I have a hunch he might end up doing in the future). 60. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "So once again Trevor Bayne, a driver who is-and has been-ready for Cup for quite some time, is apparently being passed over in favor of another young driver. And this time, it's one who is TOTALLY not ready for Cup." in Roush's (Roushes?) defense, Stenhouse has 2 Nationwide titles (2 more than Bayne) and 8 Nationwide wins (6 more than Bayne), if you want pure numbers Stenhouse was a better choice. Both were very good choices however. could Roush have ran all 4 cars this year especially since he'll have to resurect the #6 car. but i'm sure Bayne would have had no problem bringing over a sponsor or 2 for a few races. Roush can't afford to run 2 ROOKIE cars out of his pocket 61. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I can understand why you would defend Roush for putting Stenhouse in the car over Bayne. But I will never understand why Roush would pick CHRIS BUESCHER over Bayne. Stenhouse at least had proven himself ready for Cup; there is NO way in hell Buescher is ready for a full time Cup schedule next year. He hasn't even run anywhere close to HALF a full Nationwide schedule, and yet if this is true, Roush thinks he is already ready to handle Cup. If any Buescher deserves to be in the Cup series at this point, it's his cousin James. 62. Sector posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I can see where people are getting confused, since this is Jeff's 21st full time season season in Cup. But Jeff won the pole for the fall Charlotte race in 1993, his first. Which the race took place October 10th, 1993. Jeff won the pole last night, October 10th, 2013. 63. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "in Roush's (Roushes?) defense, Stenhouse has 2 Nationwide titles (2 more than Bayne) and 8 Nationwide wins (6 more than Bayne), if you want pure numbers Stenhouse was a better choice." These numbers are absolutely invalid. Bayne had to miss part of the 2011 campaign due to illness, and of course he couldn't run the full 2012 schedule due to sponsorship reasons. I'm not attacking you, jabber, but those are the facts. Bayne has only run one full season prior to this one, and that was 2010 with Diamond-Waltrip Racing (which had no shot at the title whatsoever). And besides, what does Bayne have that Stenhouse doesn't? A CUP WIN!! I don't care if it was on a restrictor-plate track or not, a win is a win. 64. Sector posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Man, I feel bad for Trevor Bayne now. But where else can he really go? A lot of the major teams have filled up their seats & have their own young stars being developed. 4th JGR car? 65. numbah10hatah posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #63: It wasn't just a Cup win, IT WAS THE DAYTONA 500!! CAN'T GET A BETTER WIN THAN THAT!!! 66. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.11.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "One more thing about Scott. I think his win in the truck race at Phoenix last year(over Kyle Larson, who is also debuting in this race)gave him a lot of confidence". I couldn't agree more 18fan. That was a very tough and treacherous race and to survive and then beat Larson took skill. As for the Kansas/Darlington swap I unfortunately can't say I am surprised in the least. It is pitiful how the most historic and unique track there is continues to get pissed on. 67. 83andJoe posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) >And also, I kinda feel bad for Blake Koch because his first start will probably be a start-n-park. Historical random fact: another driver whose first Cup start was a start-and-park? Kirk Shelmerdine. 68. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) The Darlington/Kansas race date swap irks me as well. It shows how little respect NASCAR actually has for one its oldest, most unique, and most historic tracks. In all honesty, I can actually see Darlington getting booted off the Cup schedule by the end of the decade in favor of another race at a 1.5 mile cookie cutter. And before you call me crazy for saying that, remember that Bruton Smith owns most of the 1.5 milers. I can easily see Smith making a push to drop Darlington from the schedule to give a second race date to, I don't know, Kentucky. And if something like THAT happened...oh man. I don't think you'd want to see how angry that would make me... 69. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "If you ever got NASCAR Illustrated (now known as "That Filthy Rag of Dirt") during the period from July 2004 to February 2005, you read the Woody's World column on "The Incredible Shrinking NASCAR Driver."" I bought that magazine a lot in the time period of 2000-2002. It had a lot of good stuff to read in there. Here's the future faces of NASCAR from my perspective: Kyle Larson: I have no doubt he will do well when he is ready, BUT HE IS NOT READY FOR CUP NOW! Seriously, Ganassi is one of the WORST when it comes to developing drivers! I'd have thought teams would've taken a lesson from how Brad K spent a couple years winning Nationwide races and then came into Cup when he was ready, and won a Cup championship in his 3rd full season. Kyle is quite a young talent, and it will be an understatement to say it will be a shame if that talent is wasted. Trevor Bayne: Another young talent, if there's any knock on him it's that he is too conservative during races. But he should have a good career if he gets into Cup, probably at least a Clint Bowyer-like career where he wins several fuel mileage races and will get the occasional win where he has a great car and dominates. Ricky Stenhouse: Already in Cup, and is struggling in his first full season. But several other drivers also did and then ended up having success (Kurt Busch, Biffle, Brad K), though I can't see Ricky becoming a champion in Cup unless he gets the right mentoring. Brian Scott: If he ever comes into Cup, he will probably be another Paul Menard. He might get the occasional good run here and there, but won't be that good weekly. Now for the younger guys who are still running in Trucks full-time: Darrell "Bubba" Wallace: Has run very respectable during his time in the Series and will probably get better as he gets more experience. Sure, he hasn't won in KBM equipment yet, but Kyle Busch himself ran that equipment all last year in Nationwide and Trucks and he couldn't win either so I don't think we can hold that against Bubba. Jeb Burton: Has shown a lot of strength and has impressed me a lot. If developed right, he will be a solid driver. Ryan Blaney: Like Jeb, he has shown strength and has impressed me a TON, especially in his few Nationwide Series starts so far (which include a win). Plus, he is mature and has a good head on his shoulders so I think he will definitely be a future star in Cup if he keeps being developed right. 70. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sector-As I said, Bayne could go the Landon Cassill route and do start-and-parks for low budget teams in the hopes that a better team might notice him and pick him up. Not a glamorous option by any means, but it'd at least be a way of getting his name in the door. If Roush won't give him a shot at Cup that might be his only option... 71. Sector posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @Post 69: What about Chase Elliott? 72. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Not only that, but in the races he's run in the #21 car this year, Trevor Bayne has actually performed comparably to Stenhouse, sometimes even running ahead of him. I think something may have happened, possibly as a result of what happened at the end of the Firecracker 400 this year when Bayne was punted by Stenhouse, that has cause Bayne to fall out of favor with Roush this year. But I said a couple of years ago that Bayne was not the type of driver that would fit well with Roush, mainly due to the personalities and the way Bayne likes his cars set up, compared to how the other drivers over there like their cars set up. Just look at the Jamie McMurray situation. He couldn't drive those cars, winning only twice in four years at Roush, but what happens when he rejoined Ganassi in 2010? He won three times, including the two biggest races on the circuit, and could have swept the five biggest races on the circuit with a little luck. and a part of that was that his team actually set up the cars the way he wanted them set up, plus he's always been more comfortable with a team like that, instead of a megateam like Roush, partially because Ganassi makes his drivers feel at home, possibly to a fault. McMurray also never felt like he was wanted at Roush, even going so far as to call Roush a "cold person". Bayne has always seemed to have the same personality, and I think he leaned on Matt Kenseth more than others over there want to admit and was, and is more like Kenseth than they care to have their drivers to be, which tells me there's a bigger rift between Kenseth and Roush than anyone wants to let on. I now have a strong hunch that Bayne is beginning to feel the same way toward Roush and his organization. There are reasons why drivers want to drive for guys like Hendrick, Penske, and Gibbs. I'm not sure I have ever heard anyone say they waned to drive for Roush. That should say something right there. Hendrick, Penske, and Gibbs have always treated their drivers like people, real human beings, while Roush has always seemed to treat them as tools, and this seems to be another example of that. 73. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (6) (2) Yet another epic fail by the Brian France Era NASCAR. Once again they make an effort to help newer track in a "market" at the expense of a small market classic. And once again they are going to race at night more often. How has that worked over the last 10 years Brian? For the love of Pete, if it isn't broke, DON'T F***ING FIX IT!!! Darlington had a nice thing going on Mother's Day. It worked. So will the brain trust in Daytona Beach leave it alone. Of course not! Making a night race in early April, when we are still prone to having cold nights, and given Southerners famous aversion to cold night races (the attendance for this very October night race in Charlotte) that is a pretty dumb move. And making the Kansas race a night race is not smart. Imtermediates need sunlight. And then there is this: It will be, at most, 3 weeks from the Spring Martinsville race (probably 2). Both tracks are destinations for the North Carolina fans. With only 2 races per year in NC at the unredeemable CMS that we don't want to go to cause the racing there sucks so hard, we have grown fond of seeing the real racing that happens at Martinsville and Darlington. Now, people like myself will have to make a choice. Looks like NASCAR will finally get one of their long time wishes, either a loss of a Martinsville race or finally getting that pesky Darlington off the schedule. All this to help the track at Kansas City, home of Sprint and the Hollywood Casino. It is so discouraging seeing them once again gleefully repeat many of the same mistakes that turned this once great sport into something that even its most die hard fans (like us) have a hard time defending, the same mistakes that have sent us on this downward spiral yet again. Obviously Brian France is a moron. We all know that. But what about those around him? Are they all just straight up yes-men? When this idea was proposed, didn't SOMEBODY say "this is a bad idea, it is moves like this that have put us in such a hole". And what happens to those that do? They'd have to be immediately fired. Ugh. We are gonna hit rock bottom. 74. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) its a business tactic: take your mother to the hollywood casino for mothers day. then again using that logic why can't the race be ran during the day so that one can use the casino during the day while the race is on? 75. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "@Post 69: What about Chase Elliott?" I forgot to list him, although so far he just hasn't grabbed me from watching him the way Jeb and Ryan Blaney have. 76. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Of course DSFF, I'm not sure it's a great idea to schedule a race in the spring in Kansas right in the middle of tornado season, anyway. (Does the term "tornado alley" mean anything?) And didn't they have to shorten an ARCA race at Kansas due to severe weather that spawned tornadoes in the Midwest just last weekend? That's an even bigger threat of that in May. Have we already forgotten what happened in the Midwest in the middle of May this year, because apparently NASCAR has forgotten about those horrible tornadoes that struck the Midwest, particularly Oklahoma and Texas. Kansas is also very vulnerable to those kinds of weather events. 77. JG24FanForever posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "Darlington had a nice thing going on Mother's Day. It worked. So will the brain trust in Daytona Beach leave it alone. Of course not!" 8 years of building up the nice tradition of going to Darlington every Mother's Day weekend, gone. They put Darlington in that spot to fail because the France's, and Nascar in general, hate the south! The race was a success, instead of the planned failure. So what do they do? They move it in favor of Kansas. If Nascar is idiotic enough to take away Darlington from the schedule, you can count me out as a fan. No shit. 78. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Yikes. Judging from DSFF's post, he's going to strangle everybody in NASCAR headquarters. "Yet another epic fail by the Brian France Era NASCAR. Once again they make an effort to help newer track in a "market" at the expense of a small market classic. And once again they are going to race at night more often. How has that worked over the last 10 years Brian? " If Darlington had become a day race, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. But nooo... "I can easily see Smith making a push to drop Darlington from the schedule to give a second race date to, I don't know, Kentucky. And if something like THAT happened...oh man. I don't think you'd want to see how angry that would make me..." THAT would the official start of the Racing Reference Cross-Country Gorilla Press Slam Tour. Led by Schroeder, DSFF, and NRF. "Kansas is also very vulnerable to those kinds of weather events." Tell me about it. I live there. 79. Eric posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) DaleSrFanForever, I don't think you have worry about Martinsville or Darlington as much as Michigan unless Brian France is Stupid enough to give Homestead and Chicagoland a 2nd race date. ISC is having big problems with Michigan International Speedway. The Capacity of the track for the 2014 season is only going to be 52.5 percent of what the track capacity was in 2010. I am saying this because according to Jayski, MIS capacity will be down to 72,000 compare to capacity for 87,000 fans this year with them getting a rid of all the seats in turn 3. In 2011, MIS was able to hold 108,000 fans and in 2010 the track was able to hold 137,243 fans. The fact is if MIS still has problems selling out at 72,000 seats, the track needs a date taken away from the cup series. 80. 83andJoe posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Meanwhile, it's official: Germain Racing is switching to Chevrolet next year, in a technical alliance with RCR. 81. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also in the news: Germain Racing is forming a technical alliance with Richard Childress Racing in 2014, as Germain will switch to Chevrolet cars. 82. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Darn you, 83andJoe! 83. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) As much as I don't like this change, I'm not too worried about because it's the worst kept secret in NASCAR that some serious schedule changes are coming in the next year and I have a strong feeling Darlington will be back on Labor Day weekend in 2015 (though I doubt it will ever go back to daytime, which is fine with me, but I know that's important to some people). Also, If NASCAR really wants another night race on the schedule then fork over the money to put lights up at Talladega. I can speak from (albeit limited) personal experience that the fans here in Alabama have been pushing for it quite a bit. Lastly, I don't think weather will have much role on attendance at Darlington. I looked up the averages and the weather in April is still reasonable mild. Not to mention, Richmond is also a souther night race in April and it seems to do just fine despite being even further north. 84. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Also in the news: Germain Racing is forming a technical alliance with Richard Childress Racing in 2014, as Germain will switch to Chevrolet cars." Jeff Burton as driver??? 85. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Jeff Burton as driver???" It'll be Mears in that car still, but Burton says he has a Cup ride lined up for next year. 86. Eric posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) David, If Bruton Smith is going to push for a 2nd date on the cup schedule, it is going to be Vegas, not Kentucky. Bruton Smith wants a 2nd Las Vegas date for years. He matter of fact threatened to take away the fall Charlotte date earlier this, so Vegas get a 2nd track date. 87. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Chris Buescher to cup really? The guy has like 11 NASCAR starts total, i hope Trevor Bayne can get away from Roush and join another ford team, i was thinking penske but they have some pretty good talent developing right now. 88. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "If Darlington had become a day race, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. But nooo..." When I first heard the news, I thought that it was going to be a day race, which I really would have liked (since the TranSouth 400 was always run around that time of year in the afternoon). Needless to say, I was VERY disappointed to hear that it would be a night race. 89. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "THAT would the official start of the Racing Reference Cross-Country Gorilla Press Slam Tour. Led by Schroeder, DSFF, and NRF." Too late. The revolution has begun! DSFF, you take the Carolinas and go up the eastern seaboard and Ohio. Schroeder, you go through Georgia to the Midwest. I will go through the panhandle of Florida and into the Western US. Doom abounds! 90. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) What other Ford team is there, @87? Penske's not an option. And if what I heard is true, they're getting rid of Sam Hornish, Jr. because they may not have a car with one driver running all the races due to sponsorship. RPM's not an option because all their seats are already filled in both the Cup and Nationwide Series. But I've said for two years that Bayne should look for a Chevrolet team. I actually thought Ganassi would be a potential landing spot for him, and there's no other good Chevrolet team available. Obviously, that's not going to happen. And with it looking like Roush is ready to cut bait with Trevor at some point next year and with nowhere for him to go, his career may already be over, something I feared would happen to him as far back as 2011, when he was sidelined with his illness. I also wonder if teams aren't scared of hiring him because of that illness, even though it's been gone for two years. 91. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) cjs, I already gave a possible solution that could keep Bayne in the sport-he could join a start-and-park team and S&P for races next year. It wouldn't be glamorous, but it would at least keep his name around in the sport. It would be better than just sitting around watching all the races-he may as well not even exist then, because no team is going to look at someone who goes through a long period of complete inactivity in the sport. 92. Eric posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) cjs3872, We didn't know what RPM's driver lineup is in 2015. The fact is Macros Ambrose one of these years has to be leaving RPM. 93. Eric posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If Brian France is planning to get a rid of Darlington for a 2nd Chicagoland date, he'll be cannibalizing the Midwest market even more. The fact is Michigan is planning to have on 72,000 seats for 2014 and that is a problem considering how many seats the track had in 2006. If Chicagoland gets a 2nd date, Michigan would be having more problems drawing fans. That means Michigan would need a date taken away because you can't reduced a race track to 60,000 fans for cup at most cup tracks. 94. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Historical random fact: another driver whose first Cup start was a start-and-park? Kirk Shelmerdine." Landon Cassill, Josh Wise, and T.J. Bell also start-and-parked in their first career Cup start. 95. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Eric, if Marcos Ambrose leaves RPM at the end of next year, they still have Aric Almirola and would probably move up Michael Annett to the #9 Cup car, plus they have Ryan Truex and Corey LaJoie under driver development deals. That's why I said that they're pretty solid, in terms of drivers. And Schroeder51, do you seriously think that a driver that has won the biggest race on the circuit is going to accept something like that in 2015, just four years after that victory, because I don't. The fact about Bayne may be that other teams consider him damaged goods because of his illness in 2011 just 2-3 months after his Daytona win. But I also think he's with an organization that no longer seems to think that he's in their long-term plans, but also fears what might happen if he goes somewhere else, so they're basically sabotaging his career. 96. Jim Davis posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "...do you seriously think that a driver that has won the biggest race on the circuit is going to accept something like that in 2015, just four years after that victory, because I don't." I think the list of drivers in their late teens to early 20s who turned down start and park rides to wait for their phones to ring is a very short one. You can't afford to have a lot of pride at that age. You take the best ride available. If that ride is a start and park gig then that's what you do. 97. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) None of those guys ever won the Daytona 500, or any other big race either, Jim. Personally, I think that a start-and-park ride is a career death sentence for any driver that's established, regardless of the series. The only exception I know of would be Johnny Benson, Jr., who did S&P's for Phoenix Racing in 2004 and won the Truck Series title, but also never drove competitively in the Cup Series again. It may be a way for a team to get established, but it's a death sentence for a driver's career. 98. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (8) (1) The sad thing is I am losing those feelings of rage and anger and they are being replaced by a depressed resignation that this is what NASCAR has become. It is quite simply NASCAR's future. Entertaining fans with kick ass racing is not only no longer the top priority, it isn't a priority at all. Seeing them once again repeat the same mistakes that have cut attendance in half is just deflating. It was not long ago at all they packed us in these tracks like sarrdines. I watched the '04 Coke 600 frok the East Grandstand, that little concrete seating area along the backstretch. We were packed in there. That area has long since been taken off the ticket list, along with half of the giant Diamond Tower, and they completely razed the grandstands between Turns 1 and 2. And those seats in Turns 3 and 4 are gonna get 86ed soon. And Martinsville too. We sold every seat out there as late as 2006, including all the back stretch seating which is now totally covered in sponsor tarps. Now those seats are gone and they "expanded the size of each seat for fan comfort". Translation: we don't have to have as many unsold tickets. Bristol, once the toughest ticket with a 3 year waiting list, is lucky to be 2/3 full. Michigan has been well documented, Dover, also loaded to the gills forever, is now 1/3 sponsor tarps with still a bunch of empty seats. Etc, etc, etc. I just wanna quit watching. And you have to understand my past as it relates to this sport. I have been obsessed with this sport from a very small child onwards. Now? I just care less and less. It is only my long past with NASCAR that keeps me coming back. Honestly, another 48 title might send me away from NASCAR for good. It is just demoralizing. 99. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "I have been obsessed with this sport from a very small child onwards. Now? I just care less and less. It is only my long past with NASCAR that keeps me coming back." That's pretty much exactly how I feel too. 100. Eric posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) cjs3872, Michael Annett shouldn't be the driver for the 9 if Ambrose leaves after 2014 unless he improves. Annett really hasn't been the same driver after he came back after his injury from Daytona this year. He had a very good 2012 season, but if he's doesn't rebound next season, he's not going to be hired to replace Ambrose. The other problem if Ambrose leaves after 2014 and Annett doesn't go back to his 2012 form, Corey Lajoie and Ryan Truex are not ready for the 9 car although Ryan Truex has 3 cup races for Phoenix racing this year. Outside of Dover, I wasn't impressed with Ryan at JGR and needs more seasoning. 101. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) I'm honestly starting to get the impression that the people running Nascar just don't care. It's like they're content with whatever. If it means shitty competition with repetitive results, they're just fine with it. As long as they're making money that they can spend on their cigars and cocktails, they're just fine. I think that's the part that depresses me more than anything. I'll still keep watching, as I'm interested to see if some of these young up and comers can take the sport back to the glory days. But right now, yes, I think we are living in a pretty terrible era of Nascar, to put it lightly. 102. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) It seems NASCAR is only interested in making maximum money and in attracting trendy, casual fans with only a passing interest in the sport through gimmicks rather than doing anything the old longtime fans wish they would do. This is also almost certainly why Danica gets such a huge push and is being billed as the sport's brightest star of the future despite the fact that outside of Martinsville, she hasn't shown me much of ANYTHING. Although I'll still continue watching the sport, there are times when I wonder why most of us haven't up and quit watching it already. NASCAR does not care about what us true fans want-it's become less of a sport and more of a business. Honestly, they probably WANT those of us who question their decisions and their on-track product gone so they can have a bunch of mindless fans who are happy with whatever they're given and won't bother questioning a single thing they do. It's sad...but unfortunately, it's the truth. Our favorite sport does not care about us or what we think. 103. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I have been obsessed with this sport from a very small child onwards. Now? I just care less and less. It is only my long past with NASCAR that keeps me coming back." That's exactly it. You're so lucky to have watched NASCAR during its "golden years." Ironically I began following NASCAR when it began its downhill slide, in 2004. At the time, I was too young to know what was going on and at one point I liked the changes. But as I learned more and more about NASCAR history, I really disliked what was going on. However, I can't help but continue watching because I just love auto racing. All kinds, from sports cars to formula cars. Plus I hate just about every "stick and ball" sports except golf, so there aren't many other sports to keep me interested. Heck, I'll stay up into the late hours just to watch a F1 race. But lately NASCAR has just become so hard to enjoy. My advice: follow IndyCar. Almost all of the races are pure excitement (especially the Indy 500) plus almost every driver in the field has a chance to win every week. 104. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well I, for one, still enjoy NASCAR almost as much as I always have. If I didn't like the previous week's race, I usually have forgotten all about it by the time the cars hit the track the following week. Besides, I'm not a betting man, but I'm telling you...I've got a strong hunch this April Darlington race will only be for one year. 105. Jim Davis posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "None of those guys ever won the Daytona 500, or any other big race either, Jim." And what difference does that make? All that means is that he could be the next Jeff Gordon or the next Derrike Cope. Winning the Daytona 500 is a nice thing to have on your resume; it shouldn't be seen as guarantee of future success. It would be the height of arrogance for Bayne to declare that he's going to sit at home and wait for the phone to ring because starting and parking is beneath his dignity as a former Daytona 500 winner. "Personally, I think that a start-and-park ride is a career death sentence for any driver that's established, regardless of the series." Retirement is also a career death sentence. Just ask Ward Burton who turned down rides because he thought he deserved better as a former Daytona 500 winner. 106. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) I have said this before the problem is NASCAR is just too big, also its a TV show, no different than My Little Pony. sadly with NASCAR being so big it cant go to Wilkesboro, Hickory, Bowman-Grey Stadium, ORP (or whatever name they have for it) it can't really go to racetracks much smaller than 100,000 fans, less than 100,000 fans the purse isn't big enough to cover the cost of 43 $150,000 racecars plus the $25,000 or so the drivers make a race to cover the costs associated with everything (don't forget your favorite driver is an independent contractor) also as a TV show it has to have an audience, the 45-62 year old fans will watch NASCAR no matter what, but their kids and grandkids wont watch "cars going in circles" and the way society has gone backwards telling kids its ok to be kids and not grow up its only getting worse. as Brian France (or whoever the TV guy for NASCAR is) yea I can offer you the greatest sport in the world but that wont sell (especially due to harsh criticisms when the race bleeds into some other show) so they need fake drama to sell, watch Football, there is all sorts of fake drama there too. example: when Danica and Johanna and Jennifer Jo enter a race "Follow the Catfight on Fox Sports 1 this Saturday night!" its more acceptable to be an unwed mother with like 6 kids than it is to be a NASCAR fan. (I have dated 2 women with kids so i'm a bit hypocritical) I've been shamed for being a NASCAR fan. 107. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Coming soon to DVD: Out of Gas the story of the death of NASCAR. 108. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The end of this season can't come soon enough. 109. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) my point is NASCAR is so big it has to think of money for the reasons I gave, the only way it can improve is to go backwards, which it cannot fiscally afford 110. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) "the problem is NASCAR is just too big, also its a TV show, no different than My Little Pony." To be frank, this may very well be the most foolish comment I've ever seen on here especially the last part. "their kids and grandkids wont watch "cars going in circles" and the way society has gone backwards telling kids its ok to be kids and not grow up its only getting worse." But then you make a good point about one of the major ills facing society. "its more acceptable to be an unwed mother with like 6 kids than it is to be a NASCAR fan." But then you close with a statement that's so absurd that it even tops your original statement. Honestly, I'm not trying to pick on you or anyone but it's like you've all gone mad today. 111. David posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Ironically I began following NASCAR when it began its downhill slide, in 2004. At the time, I was too young to know what was going on and at one point I liked the changes. But as I learned more and more about NASCAR history, I really disliked what was going on." I remember pulling for Scott Pruett in the #41 Target car way back when (that would only apply to 2002 at the Glen, so I'm not even sure it was him). But the year I really remember is 2007. I recall watching the races at Talladega and Darlington, specifically, and following the series in the local paper. Then I really started watching in 2008, and started to learn about the history of the sport. I used to like the Chase, now I despise it. "However, I can't help but continue watching because I just love auto racing." Absolutely. I don't think I'll ever stop watching NASCAR, just because I love it too much and because I always hope it will eventually rebound, but it is VERY discouraging at times. "My advice: follow IndyCar. Almost all of the races are pure excitement (especially the Indy 500) plus almost every driver in the field has a chance to win every week." But that's easier said than done for those of us who don't have cable/satellite/whatever. Trust me, I would like nothing more than to follow IndyCar and F1 and become knowledgeable about them, but a major part of accomplishing that is actually being able to watch it (I don't even get ABC that often). I just feel disconnected from those two series right now. "Heck, I'll stay up into the late hours just to watch a F1 race" I did that when they raced at Monaco. Totally worth it to hear real analysts in the booth. "Plus I hate just about every "stick and ball" sports except golf" Ha! That sport gets bashed around here for being too boring, but I like it. I also play it. I like baseball for two things: sabermetrics and the Cleveland Indians (we go way back). Football I've grown to tolerate, after several years of hating it. I only watch basketball at our high school games and during March Madness. 112. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) "Coming soon to DVD: Out of Gas the story of the death of NASCAR." If by soon you mean when cars become outdated because we invent a more convenient for of transportation then yes, this movie will come out soon. Of course it won't be on DVD because by the time NASCAR dies we will have moved a long way away from DVDS. Bottom line...NASCAR isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The negativity here is a lot more annoying than anything NASCAR has done. 113. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) I would like to express my condolences to Adrian Peterson and his family on the death of his 2 year old son. Many prayers from me will be going their way. And the details emerging from this are beyond disturbing. If they are true, what the hell is wrong with people? How can every single one of the trillions of fibers in our body and mind not just scream "this is beyond evil what you are about to do?". How can ANY part of ANYONE even think about that? The Vikings play my Panthers this weekend. Although I am a Panthers fan, I hope the Vikes can win it for Adrian. Last year, during his MVP run, I made my admiration for him very clear. But he is a human being first and foremost, and from all I've heard, a great one. The Panthers are going nowhere yet again, and never will with Cam Newton. Hopefully a Minnesota win can provide Adrian, his family, and his extended family of Vikings teammates and fans something positive to focus on in this time of senseless tragedy. 114. 12345Dude posted: 10.11.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You guys are forgetting that Carl is will be gone from Roush after next year. (pretty safe to say) so a forth car would mean Ricky Stenhouse, Chris Buescher, Trevor Bayne, and Greg Biffle 115. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I would like to express my condolences to Adrian Peterson and his family on the death of his 2 year old son. Many prayers from me will be going their way. And the details emerging from this are beyond disturbing. If they are true, what the hell is wrong with people? How can every single one of the trillions of fibers in our body and mind not just scream "this is beyond evil what you are about to do?". How can ANY part of ANYONE even think about that? " Because there is a larger societal problem that exists today in the US and world at large and that's that people just don't give a damn about their fellow person, even children. It's all about "me, me, me" these days. Doing what can bring you the most gratification, quickest. Most people don't escalate to murder, but the root cause is still there. 116. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) In other news, I like Harvick for this race and I'm really starting to like him for the championship believe it or not. 117. murb posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "The negativity here is a lot more annoying than anything NASCAR has done." Well, when Nascar continually does their best to move further and further away from some of the sport's most beloved traditions, then you should probably expect some people to be a bit ticked off at it. This board is here for us to give our opinions, and a pretty big consensus right now is that Nascar screwed up again. "You guys are forgetting that Carl is will be gone from Roush after next year. (pretty safe to say)" No idea how you came up with that one. I'm not the hugest football fan (though I do follow), but that's absolutely terrible about Adrian Peterson's son. I just don't understand humans sometimes. 118. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Carl will be gone from Roush? What?! No way. He's the current face of the team now, they're not going to can him. If anything, I find it more likely they'd get rid of Biffle. 119. 12345Dude posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Horrible stuff like this happens all threw out the world. Every day. It's just so bad. Wouldn't it be great if we could live in a world where none of this crap happened? I can't imagine what it's like living in a 3rd world country. The story seems horrible. I can't imagine what someone goes threw during that. It's not fair. "Although I'll still continue watching the sport, there are times when I wonder why most of us haven't up and quit I started watching in 2002 so I wasn't watching it already." I wasn't around for the "good old years" but I'm telling you the Truck Series is the closest thing we have to the "old NASCAR". 120. 12345Dude posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Really? I thought people would be in agreement with me about Carl. Roush hasn't performed good enough in my opinion compared to Carl's talent lately (2007,2009,2010 - other than Biffle's first 2 chase wins, yes a big if, 2012, and now 2013) I feel like Carl will go to a Gibbs 4th car. Right? Or am I off? 121. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jim, there's a very big difference between Ward Burton's situation then and Trevor Bayne's now. First of all, not only had Ward won the Daytona 500, but he had also won the Southern 500 at Darlington. But also there's the big age difference between the two. Ward was in his late 30s-early 40s (I don't know his exact age at that time), while Trevor's in his early 20s, so Ward was basically at the end of the line anyway, while Trevor's at what should be the beginning of a lengthy career. But any driver that does start-and-parks really has no future, the way I see it. What Trevor's doing in the Cup Series now, driving part-time, is much better than doing S&P's. And you brought up the name Derrike Cope. Cope's Daytona 500 win (as well as his win at Dover that same year) bought him about 8-10 years extra in the Cup Series, during which time he had his best season (1995). And 12345Dude, Carl Edwards is not going anywhere any time soon. I don't know where you got that idea, but he's not going anywhere any time soon. Greg Biffle's probably going to leave Roush long before Edwards does. And Roush is going to need a Matt Kenseth/Terry Labonte-type mentor driver for his younger drivers for when Biffle departs. And speaking of Terry Labonte, did anyone catch today's edition of Race Hub? They were comparing Kasey Kahne to driers of previous generations on their "Old School/New School" segment, and the two names that came up were Terry Labonte and Neil Bonnett. I hope there weren't very many Labonte fans watching, because they would have gone crazy, and the comparison to Bonnett would have had Neil rolling over in his grave. Labonte and Bonnett were tough drivers and Bonnett was among the most courageous drivers in the history of the sport. In his career, Kahne has come from behind to win just once (the race at Pocono this past August), and he would have lost that one if not for a late caution. Kahne has always been somewhat fearful of rubbing others the wrong way, and Labonte and Bonnett were not afraid of anyone, including Dale Earnhardt, the roughest driver of them all. And as for Labonte, the standard bearer of the very car Kahne currently drives, the HMS flagship #5 car (sorry, Geoff Bodine fans). He actually won the championship TWICE (in completely different eras of the sport) and excelled on all kinds of tracks, and the tougher the track, the more Labonte liked it. Actually, if I had to compare Kahne to another driver from that era, I would compare him more to Davey Allison than either Bonnett or Labonte, because they both had (or have) the raw speed that Bonnett or Labonte did not have, and Davey loved high-speed tracks, as Kahne does now. But even Davey was a significantly tougher driver than is Kahne. 122. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If they're seriously comparing drivers like Clint Bowyer to Tim Richmond or Kasey Kahne to Neil Bonnett or Terry Labonte on NASCAR Race Hub, that's just plain sad because that tells me that they don't have very much knowledge of the drivers of the past. Seriously, Kasey Kahne is this era's Terry Labonte?! Terry Labonte was one of NASCAR's most consistent drivers during the peak of his career. Kasey Kahne, on the other hand, is one of the more inconsistent drivers of this particular period of NASCAR. How the hell are they alike? 123. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And yes, Terry was tougher than Kasey and not afraid to get back at other drivers. A good example would be the 1994 Goody's 500 at Bristol. Labonte got spun into the wall early in that race by Lake Speed, who was a lap behind already. Labonte's car spent almost 300 laps in the garage undergoing repairs. When they got his car back out on track, he promptly spun Speed out and sent him into the inside wall, putting him out of the race. He then immediately parked his car for the night. Would Kasey have ever done anything like that? No, he's basically let the Gibbs cars knock him around all year long. 124. JG24FanForever posted: 10.11.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Since next years Southern 500 is held on Curtis Turners 80th birthday, I will go by calling it the: "Curtis Turner memorial Southern 500". Need a good story? My dad was standing in front of Jeff Gordon's car, literally, just before he went out and won his first career Pole on October 10th 1993. He had him sign my uncle Alan's birthday card, and Gordon immediately got in the car and won his first Pole. And my dad was also at the 1994 World 600 too! 125. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not only that, Schroeder51, but Terry Labonte has two of something that Kasey Kahne's never likely to have. Those two things Terry has that Kasey's never likely to get happen to be championships, which Terry won in completely different eras of the sport. And as I said, Kasey's more like Davey Allison than either Bonnett or Labonte, because Kasey loves high-speed tracks, as did Davey, and he has raw peed, as Davey did. Now maybe because there aren't quite as many of them as there used to be, but Kasey's not had a very good record on the toughest tracks over his career, while Bonnett and Labonte had better success on the tougher tracks than the high-speed tracks. Kasey's more like Davey or his mentor when he came into the Cup Series, Bill Elliott, because he has almost the same identical strengths and weaknesses as a driver that Elliott had. 126. JG24FanForever posted: 10.11.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff Gordon's 74th career Pole and his 142nd career front-row start. Jeff Gordon's 9th career Charlotte Pole and his 13th front-row start at Charlotte. 127. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2013 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "and he has raw peed" Sounds painful. 128. Daniel posted: 10.11.2013 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Go Gordon! 129. Jim Davis posted: 10.11.2013 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "What Trevor's doing in the Cup Series now, driving part-time, is much better than doing S&P's." No one's questioning *that*, cjs. The question is whether starting and parking is better than sitting at home. When you're 22, like Bayne, I think the answer is definitely the former. If he was 20 years older, then yes, retirement is certainly to be considered. All that said, I don't think Bayne is facing the possibility of starting and parking. At worst, he could be limping around in in BK Racing or FAS Lane Racing equipment. 130. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2013 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Obviously Zack, that should have said raw speed in post #125. 131. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) ""and he has raw peed" Sounds painful." I have to admit, I laughed pretty hard when I read this. 132. An Aussie Commentor posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "All that said, I don't think Bayne is facing the possibility of starting and parking. At worst, he could be limping around in in BK Racing or FAS Lane Racing equipment". I found thic comment funny and I don't know why. Anyone watching the Australian V8 Supercars Bathurst 1000 tonight, your time? 133. Cornys posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I feel the same way as most of you guys about NASCAR moving in the wrong direction sadly. I thought, and I keep thinking that they are about to strike on something with these test sessions and R&D. I'm telling you, the problem isn't in the tracks, it isn't in the drivers, but it is in the cars. I read that they might go back to wickers, and I also read that they want to raise the rear spoiler. These are terrible ideas! Yes, time trial a car with more drag or more downforce and of course the times will be closer together, but race them and the leader will look like he's on a compound softer tire than what he should be. There's only two ways that either of these ideas would work. 1. If they produce so much downforce that they can run wide open at the mile and a half tracks with ease. Side force would also need to be reduced. 2. If they increaced drag so much that the time lost in cornering was made up for by drafting ability in the straights of a mile and a half track. This however, could produce what I call switch-back drafting which could be worse than the old tandem draft on the supper speedways. Cars would team in twos and swap the lead each straightaway for a mutual advantage. It wouldn't be able to be too severe. Neither of these options work though. This is why I have suggested removing the splitter and taking severe steps to reduce side force (I don't know the pysics of how to do this sadly, but I will learn given ample time). Notice how bad the race at Darlington was this year. GREAT track, but the cars aren't designed to race in close proximity to one another any more! Isn't that what NASCAR's always been about? Why was the best race of the year on the widest track on the circuit? The same reason! Tradtions, well, they can be as they are, and should be kept unless it becomes completely impossible to do so. I think the only night races should be plate tracks and concrete (Firecracker 400, Talledegas, Martinsville one race if at the right time of year, Bristol Night Race, Dover once) and that's it. Concrete doesn't change much due to weather, and plate tracks are well, not traditional types of racing by any means. Notice Kentucky's race how much better it was being in the day time than in years past at night. I need to stop ranting and turn on the TV for the F1 race which comes on in 45 min. (If I remember correctly). Thanks for reading this really long post if you did, comment on it where you see fit :) 134. Jim Davis posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Anyone watching the Australian V8 Supercars Bathurst 1000 tonight, your time?" It'll be shown on Fox Sports 2 in the US on the 20th. Don't spoil it for us, please. 135. AveryNH posted: 10.12.2013 - 1:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wasn't it just last year when speed put a ton of marketing into the Bathurst 1000 with Mike Joy and Darrell commentating or was that two years ago? Nonetheless I find the v8 supercars incredibly interesting although since speed dissolved I've yet to see a race unfortunately. 136. TS1420 posted: 10.12.2013 - 1:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) If Darlington gets taken off the schedule in the future and replaced by some undeserving 2nd race at Chicagoland, Kentucky or Vegas, I say we gather up pitchforks & torches and make a trip down to Daytona.... 137. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:46 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) Apparently Furniture Row is trying to get Martin Truex to drive the 78 next year. I think that would be an awesome (© Jeff Gordon) move for both sides. But also (get ready for this), apparently Rob Kaufmann may be looking to separate from Michael Waltrip and start his own team with Jeff Burton as the driver. The hits just keep on coming for Fraudtrip. If Kaufmann bails, I think MWR is done. They might as well start contacting BSPN about doing "30 For 30: The Rise and Downfall of Michael Waltrip Racing". Now, one thing that should be kept in mind though is that both of these rumors are coming from Mike Mulhern, who has been known to spew out random untrue information before. But if all of this does happen, most notably the Kaufmann thing, then all I can say is holy hell. What a silly season. 138. joey2448 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Honestly, guys, I don't think the guys on RaceHub are that far off on comparing drivers to the legends of yesteryear...and the only reason I say that is because, well, they actually knew those drivers personally, and they know today's drivers personally too. Do any of us actually hold a personal relationship with a NASCAR driver? I bet not. "It'll be shown on Fox Sports 2 in the US on the 20th. Don't spoil it for us, please." WHAT??? Man, I actually have FS2, but I'm gonna be out of town that weekend, and I don't have a DVR!!!! AAAAHHHHHH!!! 139. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Has anybody seen those Axalta coatings paint schemes for the 24 car online? They are for sim racing leagues, but I think Axalta should look.at some of them for inspiration for future schemes. One has the base black that Axalta seems to want to go with, but the rear quarter panels and front bumper have the rainbow elements that we associate with Jeff and domination. The fact is he will always be tied in the fans minds to the rainbow. These schemes not only serve as a tie to Jeff's glorious past, but, like the DuPont rainbow scheme, show off their range of coating colors. 140. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:09 am Rate this comment: (5) (1) Ha! Once again Kyle is throwing gas on the Brad fire, saying Brad is "stupid enough" to retaliate for the Kansas and once again claimed he "had more respect" than that *coughtexas2011*. So Brad responded on Twitter asking if he was a "small/stupid ogre" (as we all know Kyle has more class, just ask him) and took his long time avatar of him holding the Cup championship trophy (Kyle has no idea what that is) and placed Shrek's head over his. It is hilarious. Seriously, is Kyle just asking for it? He dumps him on the straightaway then trashes him relentlessly in the media afterwards. He just doesn't get it. Once again, he needs to be fired. I stand by that. You will never win a championship with Kyle because of what is (or isn't) between his ears. More headaches than success. Get a real man in that car, not a little boy. 141. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:33 am Rate this comment: (4) (5) At least Brad stayed classy. He hasn't won this year, but he has better represented this sport as the champion than Jimmie has. 142. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:32 am Rate this comment: (3) (3) "At least Brad stayed classy. He hasn't won this year, but he has better represented this sport as the champion than Jimmie has." I seriously hope that was a joke. - Getting drunk on national TV immediately after winning the championship, perpetuating long-held stereotypes about the sport - Accusing Hendrick and Gibbs of "stealing" simply for signing free-agent crew members (it wasn't dirty when Penske signed Keselowski though, was it?) - Calling out NASCAR after the biggest underdog story in years at Talladega, accusing them of messing up the restart and rigging the race, even though it was Keselowski who was in the wrong. - Accusing NASCAR of "targeting" his team after they were penalized for using unapproved rear housing parts. Great representative of the sport, alright. 143. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:46 am Rate this comment: (5) (7) "Getting drunk on national TV immediately after winning the championship, perpetuating long-held stereotypes about the sport" Johnson not only was hungover the morning after the Daytona 500, but he also told Daytona International Speedway that they would have to modify standard press conference procedures to accommodate said hangover. Accusing Hendrick and Gibbs of "stealing" simply for signing free-agent crew members (it wasn't dirty when Penske signed Keselowski though, was it?) Of course it wasn't dirty... Hendrick made it clear he didn't want Keselowski when he had already signed Kahne to drive the #5 under Keselowski's nose. Kes returned the favor by signing with Penske. Also, the issue was Hendrick signing away people while they were still contracted. Calling out NASCAR after the biggest underdog story in years at Talladega, accusing them of messing up the restart and rigging the race, even though it was Keselowski who was in the wrong. Johnson said it was a mass conspiracy against him when he blatantly jumped the restart at Dover. After Sam Hornish did nothing wrong (yeah, it was his mistake, but not intentional) at Texas in 2009, Johnson made it his mission to defame Hornish until Penske had no choice but to release him. How many times has Johnson said it was cheating when someone passed him on a restart. Keselowski later back-tracked and apologized. Johnson hasn't made a single apology (fake or genuine) in over 10 years. Accusing NASCAR of "targeting" his team after they were penalized for using unapproved rear housing parts. Every time (about 40-60 times a year) Johnson's car fails inspection, it's a mass conspiracy against him that ends up swept under the rug. Likewise, can you find me one instance where Keselowski has said to fans something along the lines of: "You suck; you're inferior; you don't matter; I'm the greatest; worship me or leave." Also, very classy of you to thumbs down my comment and then make a comment on it. If you haven't noticed, the rest of us won't thumb a comment if we plan on responding to it; that will carry you far. 144. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "Johnson not only was hungover the morning after the Daytona 500, but he also told Daytona International Speedway that they would have to modify standard press conference procedures to accommodate said hangover." Big difference in being hungover during a press conference maybe 1,000 people will pay attention to and being hammered on national television during one of the sport's most-watched races of the season. "Of course it wasn't dirty... Hendrick made it clear he didn't want Keselowski when he had already signed Kahne to drive the #5 under Keselowski's nose. Kes returned the favor by signing with Penske. Also, the issue was Hendrick signing away people while they were still contracted." Yes, so Keselowski was still under contract with Hendrick/JR Motorsports when he signed with Penske. That's not any different than Hendrick (and Gibbs, you left them out) negotiating with expiring crew members of other teams. "Johnson said it was a mass conspiracy against him when he blatantly jumped the restart at Dover. After Sam Hornish did nothing wrong (yeah, it was his mistake, but not intentional) at Texas in 2009, Johnson made it his mission to defame Hornish until Penske had no choice but to release him. How many times has Johnson said it was cheating when someone passed him on a restart. Keselowski later back-tracked and apologized. Johnson hasn't made a single apology (fake or genuine) in over 10 years." Johnson said nothing of the sort concerning the Dover restart. He accused Montoya of gaming the restart, which he kind of did, but it was a legal move under the rules. Given all of the restart controversy this season and the recent rule change because of it, it's hard to say Johnson was wrong. Penske hasn't released Hornish (though he might this offseason, due to lack of sponsorship) so I'm not sure where you're going with that idea. I just did a quick Google search for "jimmie johnson apologizes," and 163,000 results came up, not all being Jimmie's of course, but there are many examples of apologies he has made. "Every time (about 40-60 times a year) Johnson's car fails inspection, it's a mass conspiracy against him that ends up swept under the rug." You act like the #48 is the only team that fails inspections. Every competitive team out there operates within the gray area and sometimes that goes too far and NASCAR makes the teams make changes. That's just the nature of the technical side of the sport. "Likewise, can you find me one instance where Keselowski has said to fans something along the lines of: "You suck; you're inferior; you don't matter; I'm the greatest; worship me or leave."" No I can't, but can you find me one instance where Johnson has said anything like that? "Also, very classy of you to thumbs down my comment and then make a comment on it. If you haven't noticed, the rest of us won't thumb a comment if we plan on responding to it; that will carry you far." Thanks for the advice, but I didn't thumbs down your comment. As proof, I will now thumbs it up, even though I disagree with it. 145. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) In some of their comparisons joey2448, such as Jimmie Johnson to Richard Petty, or Kyle Busch to Dale, Sr., as blasphemous as they might be to many fans, they might not be that far off. And the comparison of Matt Kenseth to David Pearson is spot on. However, they've also thrown in some REALLY bad ones. Clint Bowyer to Tim Richmond? Kasey Kahne to Terry Labonte and/or Neil Bonnett? Those are awful comparisons. Now if they had compared Bowyer to Labonte and/or Bonnett and Kahne to Richmond, then they might be on to something, but not Bowyer to Richmond and Kahne to Labonte/Bonnett. They also compared Kevin Harvick to Cale Yarborough in their series, and I'm kind of neutral on that one because there are some obvious similarities between Harvick and Yarborough, but there are some stark differences, as well. 146. 12345Dude posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The big difference between Cale and Kevin to me is the 3 straight championships. On the race hub they are rating the current drivers way too fondly. CJS what's the same between Kevin and Cale? I'm curious I know very little about the sport's history are lazily haven't gotten around to really study it. 147. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And I say again DSFF, who would you replace him (Kyle Busch) with, because there is no adequate replacement. Martin Truex, Jr. would be the closest thing, and I don't think he'd win more than one race a year in that car. If you're going to release a driver like that in his prime, you'd better have a suitable replacement, and there is none. I agree that he's not likely to ever win a title because of his inability to handle pressure, but the guy's going to have a victory total at least in the 50s in the Cup series (he's almost at 30 now). In fact, only four full-time drivers currently competing now have higher victory totals (Gordon, Johnson, Stewart, who's out due to injury, and Kenseth). In fact, if Kyle Busch had a career like Bobby Allison's, in terms of wins vs. championships, it wouldn't surprise me. (Allison did not win his championship until he had 80 wins.) The fact remains that he's now won more races in that car, which is JGR's flagship car, than Bobby Labonte did. Kyle's won 24 times in that car (and counting), and Labonte got all 21 of his victories in that car. 148. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well 12345Dude, for one, they've (Harvick and Yarborough) got the same mindset. Neither one of those drivers are, or were afraid of anyone, on the track, or in the garage area. Also, both Harvick and Yarborough always seemed to do their best in the biggest events on the circuit, and both are, or were known for dramatic late-race charges. How many times did Cale make last lap passes to win big races? The biggest difference between them, other than the championships, is qualifying. Cale was one of the greatest qualifiers in history, with 69 or 70 poles, depending on what source you trust, and was known to push the edge, sometimes to his detriment (does what happened at Daytona in 1983 ring a bell?), while Harvick has always seemed to be on the conservative side when it came to qualifying. The fact that his pole at Kansas last week was is first in seven years says that more than anything else. We'll see if that continues next year when Harvick has Hendrick power under the hood of his cars. 149. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "- Getting drunk on national TV immediately after winning the championship, perpetuating long-held stereotypes about the sport" Given that he'd just won the championship, you can't really blame him for celebrating. Plus he was only buzzed. "- Accusing Hendrick and Gibbs of "stealing" simply for signing free-agent crew members (it wasn't dirty when Penske signed Keselowski though, was it?)" Even Penske denied that one, plus who's to say that doesn't happen(and that Penske and Roush aren't guilty of the same thing.) Kes going to Penske was simply due to their being no room at Hendrick(Mark Martin was supposed to be in the #5 car only one year, but decided to stay after doing so good in 2009.) Plus the #88 N' wide car didn't have full sponsorship for 2010. "- Calling out NASCAR after the biggest underdog story in years at Talladega, accusing them of messing up the restart and rigging the race, even though it was Keselowski who was in the wrong." Kes did own up and apologize to David Ragan for spoiling his victory, still no excuse for it though. "- Accusing NASCAR of "targeting" his team after they were penalized for using unapproved rear housing parts." Now this one is more complicated. At Martinsville a few weeks before rearendgate NASCAR penalized the #2 for supposingly pitting outside their pit box, a penalty that was very boarder line. That could have(and I stress could have)been Brad's reasoning behind claiming his team was being "targeted" though it's a pretty flimsy one that doesn't hold a lot of water. Basically they just pushed the "working the gray area" envelope too far and got caught. Same thing has happened to Hendrick, JGR, Childress, Roush and very other team that has ever participated in NASCAR and it'll continue to happen far into the future. "You act like the #48 is the only team that fails inspections. Every competitive team out there operates within the gray area and sometimes that goes too far and NASCAR makes the teams make changes. That's just the nature of the technical side of the sport." True that, though to be honest there's likely no team more noted for pushing the envelope to get that competitive edge than Hendrick Motorsports. Maybe that's way they're successful(though having good drivers like Jeff Gordon, Kasey Kahne, JJ and Dale Jr. does help). 150. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) Well, then, my apologies NLA. It appears it was our neighborhood troll... Seriously, am I the only one who finds the thumb-troll hysterical and sort of want to give the person a pat on the back for exposing the system while also kicking him in the balls for being so immature? 151. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "30 For 30: The Rise and Downfall of Michael Waltrip Racing". there was a rise? 152. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yes, there was, jabber1990. When you come from nowhere and put two cars in the Chase and one ends up as he runner-up in the championship, as MWR did last year, that would not only be considered a rise, but a meteoric rise, but the fall, if it appears to be as complete as it appears it will be just as quick, which is a shame for Brian Vickers, who signed on before any of this happened, though it seems like Vickers brings bad luck to whatever team he gets to, not all of which is his doing. Remember that his career was taking off after making the Chase, only to have his heart ailment sideline him and torpedo his career for three years (when he was with Red Bull). Then he goes to MWR, wins a race in the #55 car, and then things come crashing on him again. Sure he shares some culpability for what happened at Richmond, but this is the second time something like this has happened to a team he's gotten to when his career went on an upswing. I'm not quite as generous when it comes to Clint Bowyer, due to what he's gotten involved with in his two years at MWR, though his runner-up finish in the points last year was certainly a great accomplishment. And of course, Martin Truex, Jr. may end up getting the shaft like no other driver I can remember when it's all said and done, and really for no reason at all. 153. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.12.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) If by more class, it means that Kyle called Newman an ogre and wrecked Hornaday under caution at Texas, then yes, Kyle does have more class. Brad doesn't even have to do anything to Kyle because he is living rent free in Kyle's head. 154. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I would love to see Kevin Harvick win a championship, I really believe he's destined to do so, but its mighty tough to beat the 48. I hope Stewart-Haas Racing can give him the strength to do so. I've always said & believe that Kyle Busch will win a Cup championship in his 30's(age). No way you can predict the future, but that's what I'm sticking with. Meaning, starting 2015 I hope he can get over his pressure handling failures & get a move on in the chase. Now that cjs mentioned it, I'm starting to see similarities with Bobby Allison's career. Not to mention every(I counted 14, correct me if I'm wrong please) drivers who has led at least 10,000 laps in their career have at least one championship in Cup in one form or another. Of course you could say Junior Johnson & Mark Martin doesn't have driver's championships, but both have (co)owner's titles. Kyle Busch is next(& so close with 238 laps left to lead) to be on that list of 10,000 laps lead with Matt Kenseth not so far behind(does the same next year of leading laps like this year, he's there). 155. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Well, Brad has been infinitely more interesting than Jimmie. Of course this brick I use as a doorstop is also more interesting than Nap Time. Also, Brad doesn't insult the fans. I would also like to address this "Brad got drunk on national TV" thing people, for who knows what reason, are offended here by. First off, did he say anything stupid? Second, did he do anything stupid? Or was he just being Brad Keselowski with a slurred voice? And what do we want from our drivers? The drivers have gotten more and more boring over the past 15 years, always being PC and Android like. We yearn for NASCAR's colorful past. We get a small piece of it, and some of you freak out. He just won the damn Cup championship and got buzzed. I don't know about you guys, but if I get off after a tough weekend at work, my first thought is getting buzzed. And I'm not an alcohol enthusiast. I buy my beers 6 at a time cause if I buy a 12 pack, the last few are liable to sit in my fridge for a few months. And it takes me a year to go through a fifth of whiskey. My current mixed drink recipe: 1/10 of the glass Jack or Crown, 9/10 Coke. But if I ever won the title, I'd be pretty damn buzzed too. And cjs, to answer your question about who would replace Kyle, the answer is ANYBODY. He's gonna wind up getting black balled from the sport anyways. 156. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1)  "Now that cjs mentioned it, I'm starting to see similarities with Bobby Allison's career." Bobby Allison finished 4th in points in his 3rd season of '67, then was runner up in '70, a championshil he would have won, but he had to miss an early season race due to lack of funds. He didn't join Holman Moody that year until after the Rebel 500 when Pearson quit. Kyle, in season 9, and NEVER having beem hamstrung by a lack of funds, still has a best points finish of 5th. And he won't win a title in his 30s cause he will be black balled soon. He is mentally unstable as ever and now with Brad screwing with him, he is about to completely lose it and be officially "unsponsorable". 157. 12345Dude posted: 10.12.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Thanks for the reply CJS your like a walking talking NASCAR encyclopedia ;) And who cares if Brad got drunk or whatever. He won a NASCAR CUP CHAMPIONSHIP! The drivers are so boring because the sponsors tell them what to say, what to wear (Humpy Wheeler said this, and Kyle Petty has also mentioned this but not as harshly) and not to say anything too controversial. Because the sponsors basically own these drivers & teams. Nap Time Jr Kasey Kahne, Great Clips and Farmers for all we know could be causing this. For once someone shows personality and were complaining? 158. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @156- I see where you are going with this, but anything can happen. The surprising thing about the future is, we just don't know what it holds. We'll just have to wait & see! :) 159. Juicy 42 posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Let's get ready to rumble!!! 160. 83andJoe posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) >We yearn for NASCAR's colorful past. We get a small piece of it, and some of you freak out. Well put; We the Fans yearn and cry for drivers with "personality", but heaven help the driver who shows any... 161. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) "And he won't win a title in his 30s cause he will be black balled soon. He is mentally unstable as ever and now with Brad screwing with him, he is about to completely lose it and be officially "unsponsorable"." More DSFF bull crap about Kyle Busch that has no basis in anything. He's more mentally unstable than he's ever been? Really? Because he had a bad race at his worst track and some other driver is messing with him so he's about to completely snap and lose it? 162. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "he is about to completely lose it and be officially "unsponsorable"." Kurt got a DUI before the Phoenix race then played the same card every celebrity pulls "don't you know who I am?" Verbally attacked the Media more than once his little stunt in the Fall race in Talladega in 2012 Radio Sweetheart now look at him, he's gotten a second chance and he even brought sponsors to Phoenix. Finch didn't want them but that's a different story 163. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Blackballed soon, DSFF? I think you're mistaking Kyle Busch for Michael Waltrip or even older brother Kurt, who was nearly blackballed two years ago. Kyle's win total matches his age currently, at 28, which means that, barring a disaster, he'll be in the 30s next year, possibly even the mid 30s with a big year. And other than the incident with Brad Keselowski, who's a driver nobody wants on their "enemies list" (and Denny Hamlin, one of his current teammates at JGR, can attest to that), Kyle hasn't done anything stupid since that incident with Hornaday at Texas in 2011. (Ironically, Hornaday did exactly the same thing with Darrell Wallace, one of Busch's Truck Series drivers, earlier this year at Rockingham, though at not nearly the same speed). What happened in the Cup Series race was just a case of a driver having a bad day, and that happens to everyone. And I'll say this about Kyle Busch. Like him or not, he says what he thinks, and Toyota hasn't really had that many engine problems since he got on their case after both Kenseth and Truex blew engines at Dover in the spring. The one really bad one was to Clint Bowyer at Atlanta, but the last two night races on big tracks, major teams across manufacturer lines have had engine problems. Bowyer and Keselowski at Atlanta, and a rash of engine problems that I contribute to the weather conditions at Chicago. After all, there were no engine problems before the rain hit, and about five or six after the race resumed in much cooler conditions, with all three manufacturers getting hit. (Hamlin, Reutimann, and Vickers for Toyota, Logano and Timmy Hill for Ford, and Dale, Jr. for Chevrolet. I don't count Cole Whitt's as an engine problem, since his was derived from a gearbox problem.) However, that does make me wonder about tonight's race at Charlotte, because I expect a number of engine problems, and the focus there would go on the JGR Toyotas and the Roush and Penske Fords. Jimmie Johnson could blow this championship race apart with a good finish if Kenseth has problems, or Harvick and/or the old master, Jeff Gordon, could make the top two begin to sweat in their own ways with a good finish. If Gordon has a top five and one (or both) of the top two in points has problems, they may begin to hear those old footsteps, and if it's Harvick, he'll try to get in their heads like tony Stewart did two years ago. And I still think that Gordon has a big "Nicklaus at Augusta in '86" moment left in him, where he makes a run at another big race win, or a title, and those he's chasing begin to hear those footsteps, and begin to falter. If Gordon can get closer to the lead with Martinsville and Talladega coming up, the look out for the old master. He might have one more run left in him after all, which I didn't think he had left in him. 164. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) In fairness to DSFF, Kyle Busch may very well snap and do something in the future that warrants him getting fired. Where DSFF crosses into bull crap territory is that he would fire, this very day, one of the best drivers currently in NASCAR just because he has some sort of feeling about Kyle Busch being about to snap mixed with some finagled "facts" that "prove" hiring him was a "mistake" in the first place. 165. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Now I need to write lyrics for a song about Kyle Busch, just like I did for the big ogre a few weeks ago. :) 166. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Now I need to write lyrics for a song about Kyle Busch, just like I did for the big ogre a few weeks ago. :)" Here's an idea: Wild thing You make my ears ring You can drive anything While cuss-ing It's terrible, I know, but it's a start, I suppose. 167. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Whoops. Change that to: Wild thing You make my ears ring You won't drive anything Without cuss-ing 168. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) "Well, then, my apologies NLA. It appears it was our neighborhood troll... Seriously, am I the only one who finds the thumb-troll hysterical and sort of want to give the person a pat on the back for exposing the system while also kicking him in the balls for being so immature?" No problem, I can see why you would think it was me. I think a lot of these problems would be solved if registration was required to comment and give thumbs up or down. Additionally, I would suggest making visible the names of those thumbing comments up or down. Sure, some trolls would still register new accounts to continue trolling, but it should at least do away with the casual trolls. 169. Eric posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) I think how to stop the thumbs down troll is by getting a rid of the thumbs up and thumbs down system. I am saying that because the thumbs up and down system to my understanding has been abused on other forums. There has been people banned for having thumbs downs despite the fact the person didn't type anything wrong. The other way to fix the thumbs up and down system is only having thumbs up. I am saying this because I am a member of a couple forums that you like like a post, but you don't the option to dislike the post. 170. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Exactly, Zack. There are only four drivers running the full series with more wins than Kyle Busch, and one of those (Tony Stewart) is out with a broken leg. Only Jeff Gordon (87), Jimmie Johnson (65), Stewart (48), and Matt Kenseth (30) have more wins among active drivers running the full circuit than Kyle Busch. Of course, Mark Martin also has more wins with 40, but I'm referring only to drivers running the full circuit. And of those drivers, only Kyle Busch is younger than 38, which means a win total comparable to the all-time greats (Petty and Pearson excepted) is not out of the question at all if Kyle has a full career, which I think he will. If Kyle races another 15 years, 40-50 more wins is not out of the question, which would put his total from the mid-to-high 60s to the mid-to-high 70s at the age of 43, though I think his win total will be slightly lower than that. If I had to project, I think Kyle's career win total will probably be somewhere from the mid 50s to the low-to-mid 60s by the end of his career. 171. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) "What's wrong with the casual trolling? You don't own this site? Your just a long term troll with a stupid opinion." Believe it or not, you're not the first person to call me a troll! "If I had the time I'd open up a similar site and let people post whatever they want." You mean, you'd just create a duplicate R-R? "But I actually have a job that keeps me busy." Sure you do. "You guys just hate people who don't agree with your narrow minded thinking." There's a lot of groupthink but you're off base. I disagree with many people here on many things but I don't think they hate me (hope not at least) and I don't hate them. "I'm waiting for someone to deleat my last two post. Go ahead..." Maybe they're eteing. 172. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I personally don't like it when people say you have to "win" in the chase to win the championship. In 2011, Tony Stewart tied, I repeat, TIED Carl Edwards in the chase with 5 wins. "Consistency is the way to go, but the wins are a huge bonus to assist you." Tony Stewart took advantage of the bonus points to best Carl in 2011, but Carl did a terrific job nevertheless. Tony Stewart was winless in the 2005 chase & still won the championship. When I was talking to other folks about how Kyle Busch finished in the top 5 in the first 3 races after the great chase he had last year despite missing it, I was saying its about time Kyle is getting his head in gear & learning, as I sense a Cup championship on his resume is nearing in the future. They got angry & pointed out that he needs to "win" to win the chase & that'll never happen based on his history. Okay, so are we single-minded folks? Things are bound to change someway, sometime. People are forgetting, Kyle is only 28. We will see him racing for wins for the next 15-20 years if he wants. Yes, I believe Kyle will be going for a personal goal to get 200 wins in the top 3 national series, but once he nears or conquer that goal, I believe he'll eventually end up focusing only on Cup. I find it aggravating to talk about Kyle to a lot of NASCAR fans because to them, he's just a loser & have no care on how well he's actually been successful in NASCAR/racing. This bias is just completely out of hands when we're talking about him. As for DSFF: Nobody remembers 2nd place & below, we tend to only remember the winners/champs down the road. So those statistics of Bobby Allison you listed, though are impressive & not taking anything away of his talents, proves that he hasn't found the "golden" year to win the championship until the right season when things fell into place for his way, which was 15+ year since his rookie season. Holding off Darrell Waltrip! I know he's hadn't run all full seasons in the middle of all that, but it still stands that it just wasn't meant to be all those years no matter the situation. Kyle Busch could be very well be in the same situation, despite his lack of good points positions in the standings compared to Allison's. Look @ Brad Keselowski last year. Everything went his way. He even defeated Jimmie Johnson!(I pointed this out because the 48 is the main reason why we haven't had more champions than we have now, meaning hogging up the Cup for 5 years running. EX: Edwards/Harvick/Hamlin/Gordon/Martin). The same goes for 2004 when Kurt Busch was so lucky @ Homestead when the tire came off at the right time, as Jimmie was winning races left & right for a total of 8 with 4 wins being in the chase. Tony was in control in 2005 as was Matt in 2003. 2011 was definitely a unique season when the 48 team was off. So you see, everyone can't win the Cup because the 48 has been the top team in our sport right now. Which is why Matt Kenseth is a hard favorite(for me anyway) to beat the 48 team right now, because to me, I view this as a "2 out of 3" thing to see who is better than whom(2003/2006/2013?). I hope Kenseth pulls it off, but it is what it is if things go wrong for the 20 team. Jason Ratcliff is also my favorite crew chief by the way. 173. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) NoLongerAnonymous, I in no way thought it was you. I know it sounded that way. I should have said, "I thought NoLongerAnonymous thumbs-downed my comment, but it was actually the neighborhood troll." And that "Juicy 42" is definitely... he's something all right. "What's wrong with the casual trolling? You don't own this site? Your just a long term troll with a stupid opinion. " The fact that you bothered to insult us in that way as your first comment here say that you are in fact jealous of how damning our logic can be on the rare occasions where we're impartial. Thank you for your high praise of us. It's been a pleasure doing business with you. Come again sometime. 174. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Exactly, Zack. There are only four drivers running the full series with more wins than Kyle Busch, and one of those (Tony Stewart) is out with a broken leg. Only Jeff Gordon (87), Jimmie Johnson (65), Stewart (48), and Matt Kenseth (30) have more wins among active drivers running the full circuit than Kyle Busch." Correction cjs: Matt Kenseth has 31 wins 175. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Some more 2014 paint schemes have been added to Jayski. Most of the ones I saw looked exactly the same as the 2013 schemes including Harvick's #4 Budweiser Chevy (with the obvious exception of there being a #4 instead of a #29). But one car has really changed this year and it's the #4 Jimmy John's Chevy. Looks a lot better than the current #29 Jimmy John's Chevy. It looks similar to Stewart's 2014 #14 Mobil 1/Bass Pro Shops Chevy, which I said I liked on the Kansas page. 176. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I thought it was 30 for Kenseth, Sector. Either way, Kyle's fifth among fully active drivers in wins, and he's still got anywhere from 10-15 years of great racing ahead of him. 177. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I didn't watch it anyway just because I don't do pre-race shows, but it looks like NASCAR Race Day had been relegated to Fox Sports 2. Is this the first time this has happened since the switch? 178. Juicy 42 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (11) It's time? One of you boys must be behind on the deleting process. Boys in a man's world. 179. Juicy 42 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (20) I'm waiting for someone to deleat my last two post. Go ahead... 180. Juicy 42 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (10) If I had the time I'd open up a similar site and let people post whatever they want. But I actually have a job that keeps me busy. You guys just hate people who don't agree with your narrow minded thinking. 181. Juicy 42 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (22) What's wrong with the casual trolling? You don't own this site? Your just a long term troll with a stupid opinion. 182. DB1995 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I had thought the Busch-Keselowski feud was over, but Kyle couldnt leave it alone. I was thinking Brad had gotten over it since Kyle basically destroyed himself at Kansas and didnt feel the need to retaliate since, like someone said, Brad was in Kyles head rent free, but i feel Kyle may get something now just maybe probably at Martinsville or Phoenix, and Kyle has brought all of this upon himself. plus Kyle said this in his defense 'I got wrecked (by him) at Watkins Glen last year. He could have given me an inch and we could have made it through that corner and not been spun out at Watkins Glen.' he really needs to watch that replay if Brad gives him room by backing off it would be Bye-Bye Ambrose and he would have shot by and still won. 183. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yes cjs, did you forget he won twice in the chase already? lol 184. Eric posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Juicy 42, You have to be careful with your "boys" comment. Not all posters on this site are in their teens or early 20's. Some of us are in their late 20's to mid 30's. DaleSrFanForever is 29. I am even older than he is. I also come from a forum that has adults in their 30's to their late 40's that doesn't put up with trolling including the people who aren't moderators. 185. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "It's time? One of you boys must be behind on the deleting process. Boys in a man's world. " Last I checked my manhood was pretty damned big. Definitely Bigger than yours and definitely not pumped up by Kevin Conway's pec%er pills. 186. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You know, I don't really take the thumbs down stuff seriously, but if it's gonna cause a bunch of useless arguments every god damn week, then I'm all for getting rid of it. Having to wade through all of that every week as I'm trying to find a meaningful conversation on here is annoying as hell. 187. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) DB1995, why do your posts always have the weird symbols in them? 188. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No Sector. I knew he had won twice in the Chase, the second of which was actually his third win in five races. I just thought that his most recent win brought his career total to 30, not 31. 189. kup posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Fantasy Live @ Nascar.Com My 5 teams for Charlotte: 2 Basic = 20 + 48 + 24 + 10 + 83 1 Else = 20 + 48 + 29 + 10 + 32 2 Alter = 20 + 48 + 78 + 11 + 33 Weird hints: NO 18, 22, 5 ... 190. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Wild thing You make my ears ring You won't drive anything Without cuss-ing" I hate this f-ing song! I may have missed it skimming through the comments so far, but I saw on Jayski that Kaufmann may start his own team independent of Mikey and bring on Jeff Burton as driver of the new team, staying with Toyota. 191. We need more Onion posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Half of me loves night races, because of their spectacle and uniqueness for my European eye. Half of me hates them, because here it is already past midnight and I just can't be bothered staying up 'till 5am in the morning... 192. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ""Wild thing You make my ears ring You won't drive anything Without cuss-ing" I hate this f-ing song!" Ah, so it IS a parody of another song...but which one? 193. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @David My youtube link is under moderation, its 'Wild Thing' by the Troggs. 194. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qHX493bB3U 195. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I suggest using the Patriot Act to find this troll who's been causing us problems and teach him an unforgettable lesson in what happens when you mess with this community 196. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Its funny you mention Kurt Busch. He is proof that, not matter how much you are capable of producing (remember, Kurt has won a championship and has 3 additional Top 5s in points so he is a better production driver than Kyle) you can only have so many PR disasters before sponsors say "that is it". And Kyle has another one coming. He is melting before our eyes, and Brad has him on the razor's edge. He will do something at some point before the year is up, especially if Brad does retaliate, that ywt again puts his sponsors in a bad light. They will finally say "No Mas" as they did with Kurt. And he doesn't have the hardware Kurt has to get yet another chance. Mark my words, we are witnessing the end of Kyle Busch in NASCAR. Go ahead and laugh it off and say I have "no basis" (despite the 5 million examples I have given). I will be sure to say "I told you so". 197. An Aussie Commentor posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "It'll be shown on Fox Sports 2 in the US on the 20th. Don't spoil it for us, please" WHAT? THAT'S A WEEK AFTER THE RACE. So if you don't see me posting for a week after this comment, then you will know why. Becuase I am trying not to spoil it for anyone. 198. Jim Davis posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "WHAT? THAT'S A WEEK AFTER THE RACE." It sucks for us Yanks, certainly. 199. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I regret parodying "Wild Thing" in the first place. That song is awful. 200. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ^Then it's a good thing that I didn't follow the link. Besides, parodies only work with popular songs. 201. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ^ David, "Wild Thing" was a HUGELY popular song. It hit #1 on the Billboard charts when it was released. 202. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Brad Daughtry is going to kill somebody with his fork if he's not careful 203. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Don't confuse me with facts, Long Shot. I've never heard it before, how could it have been popular? :) 204. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Jimi Hendrix actually covered "Wild Thing" at the Monterey Pop Festival back in '67-that's how popular that song was back then. That song has in all honesty aged absolutely terribly, though. And I'm actually a big fan of vintage '60s and '70s rock! 205. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Jimi Hendrix actually covered "Wild Thing" at the Monterey Pop Festival back in '67" The only good version of that song, if I may add. 206. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I've never heard it before, how could it have been popular?" Once you have heard it, you'll probably still be asking the same question. 207. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm interested to see if this turns into a blown engine fest, seeing as how it's 500 miles. 208. RaceFanX posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) MWR could be an interesting 30 for 30, a better one would be the IMSA smuggling ring. 209. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Yeah, those Turn 4 blue seats will be razed soon. 210. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) My crazy prediction for tonight: Kyle Larson will get a top-10 finish in his debut. I am prepared to eat these words if he doesn't. 211. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Did they just call Kurt the '97 champ? 212. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I just learned today that it was Kurt Busch, and not Jeff Gordon, who won the 1997 NASCAR Cup Series championship. Damned impressive considering he didn't even make a single start that year and wouldn't make his Cup debut for another three years! 213. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I see what they did. They ironically mixed up the two guys who had a whining session after last week's race. 214. RaceFanX posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Boogity, Boogity, Boogity Boys! Let's go Racing! 215. We need more Onion posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "the IMSA smuggling ring" Damn' you, I wanted to go to sleep in the next half hour... now I can't :) 216. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) 103. SpeedWorld97 posted: Ironically I began following NASCAR when it began its downhill slide, in 2004. At the time, I was too young to know what was going on and at one point I liked the changes. But as I learned more and more about NASCAR history, I really disliked what was going on. There are some things that I really hate that I thought was good at the time, like when they changed the size of the fuel cells in 2006. However, I can't help but continue watching because I just love auto racing. All kinds, from sports cars to formula cars. Plus I hate just about every "stick and ball" sports except golf, so there aren't many other sports to keep me interested. Same. Except for the golf part. I have a mild interest in baseball, not enough to drive me to look up history on it or anything. Heck, I'll stay up into the late hours just to watch a F1 race. But lately NASCAR has just become so hard to enjoy. My advice: follow IndyCar. Almost all of the races are pure excitement (especially the Indy 500) plus almost every driver in the field has a chance to win every week. I'll be honest, I watched my first F1 race in 2006, and in 2007, I watched between F1 and Indycar about 10 races. That made for about a third of my motorsports that year. I will be bluntly honest: I am not like a casual NASCAR fan, or like any of the fans on this site like DSFF, David, cjs, NLA, etc. I am more entertained by strategy with hardcore racing taking a side-seat *not a back seat, just a side seat*. That's more like what I saw, and still do see, in F1 and Indycar. I also love the noise those series make more. I would probably be a diehard F1 and Indycar fan if I had cable/satellite/whatnot. NOt diehard to where I would insult NASCAR, but wouldn't be able to respect it in many ways. But I didn't because between 2004 and 2006, FOX and NBC carried most of the NASCAR races, and up until 2010, ESPN and FOX covered alot also. It was obvious that NASCAR would be my favorite due to the hig amount of exposure in the USA, and the amount of exposure with a track this close. I honestly had no clue that Indycar ran races here until the last year they came here, 2009, when I happened to overhear the race on radio while being banned form watching that day's Talladega race *With Edward's flip and all*. In a way, I've been 'switched at birth' into the wrong series. However, despite that, I've enjoyed NASCAR alot. It's been such a huge factor in my life that I actually chronicle events of my life in relation to NASCAR events and stats. I know a fair amount of racing that took place before the year I was born, ON the day I was born. GOD it's making me SICK how the announcers are fangasming over Kyle's win in the lower level series last night! Please NASCAR, make it so drivers that make starts in series other then what they singed up for can't make more then 7 starts in those other series per year. I don't care if it is even a Truck guy in Nationwide, make it f*ng consistent! 217. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) So NASCAR finally decided Gordon's ending to '97 was so horrific, they took it away and gave it to some other random champion. Yikes, Earnhardt's '91 title is probably next. Also, what lap will Kyle hit the wall if he keeps running that high? 218. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) so a Ford commercial followed by a Dodge commercial? I see what they did there 219. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I love how they showed a clip of Johnson attempting to pass Harvick for around a lap and then cut out right before he completes the pass... 220. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 211. DaleSrFanForever posted: Did they just call Kurt the '97 champ? ^ Didn't hear them say that. - - - - Betting that just before the 2/3rds marker of the race we'll see ALOT of atrophy in the feild suddenly kick in. Probably in the form of a bunch of engine failures, and two or three crashes including a 'small' big one. Until that time, the race will be 'boring' JJ Yeley out of the race as I type. 221. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yeley gets into the wall for our first caution. 222. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) J. J. Yeley slams the wall and brings out the first caution. 223. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "So NASCAR finally decided Gordon's ending to '97 was so horrific, they took it away and gave it to some other random champion. Yikes, Earnhardt's '91 title is probably next." This just in: NASCAR has just announced that on further review, Jimmie Johnson is now officially the 1991 Winston Cup Series champion, making him a six time series champion. 224. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) J.J. Yeley just made raspberry pancakes. 225. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff Gordon has a Jeff Gordon pit stop. 226. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Time to watch Kahne and Jr. play defense. 227. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Alan Gustafson just pulled an Alan Gustafson. 228. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Also, what lap will Kyle hit the wall if he keeps running that high? DSFF, Gee, I get it that you don't think that Kyle is going to be with us in NASCAR cup racing for much longer! But for god sake, not every race for him will become a disaster! Allthough I will say this personal opinion about Kyle. He's just about maxed his win total out. He's going to be fading out of contention for anything in the upper echelon of NASCAR permanently in two years. He's also going to burn his interest in NASCAR and racing out really early, probably by 45-55. He'll probably retire and have nothing more to do with the sport at that point. 229. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) BoB is up to 108% better then last week 230. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Pit road mistake for Kyle Busch. 231. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Apparently Kyle Busch isn't the only choker on the #18 team... 232. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Kyle has a problem on pit lane, along with KC. KC still gets the best out of the incident. Green flag in the air. Johnson spun the tires, and I gasp in shock. 233. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) JJJJJJOOOOOOONNNNNNYYYYYUUUUURRRRR LEADSSSSSS!!! Just Sayian. He is leading. 234. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Definitely not Kyle's fault. But the wreck he causes trying to get back to front will be his fault. 235. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "100% at all times" unless you are HMS? 236. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR *throws Budweiser can on track* BEST DRIVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR *spits tobacco juice in lap of person sitting next to him* 237. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Junior takes the lead, at possibly the one time you don't want to be leading. He may not have a chance to clear the debris until he catches Danica and/or the rest of the slow cars. 238. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) I'll add one more thing to my prediction about Kyle Busch. He'll run hard into mid-life crisis by about 50. He'll die at 60 or something. 239. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Oh god! DSFF. I and my brother couldn't stop laughing! 240. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Really, predicting an early death for Kyle Busch? For all we know, he could live to be 100 years old. You never know when someone is going to die-that's why it's pointless to predict when someone will pass on. 241. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If they're waiting for the debris to come off of Jr's car to get to commercial, I hope it stays on the whole race. 242. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow, Junior let Kahne pass, and then he couldn't get close enough to get the trash off and now Truex, Johnson, and Gordon have caught them both. 243. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) OK, I was a bit off about Gordon, I thought he was closer to Johnson. 244. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Bob update; 192% better 245. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) When they have multiple cameras pointing at a single piece of debris on a car, you know that either ESPN has learned from their 2010 Pocono mistake, or the race is so boring that they have nothing better to do. 246. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Mark Martin is down a cylinder. 247. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Mark Martin has a sour engine, which will probably eventually end what was already another sad night for him. 248. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Are we in for another HMS engine armeggedon? 249. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's frustrating to see Mark struggle so much in the 14 car. He hasn't run well in any race since subbing for Tony. 250. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The sad thing is, I can't tell a difference in Martin's speeds. 251. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Man, it's just so sad to see Mark Martin struggle like this. It seems like since last year, he has really fallen off the face of the earth. 252. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well, the just said that Mark Martin's car had lost a cylinder, so maybe the engine problems are already beginning, and the first one is a Hendrick engine. Considering that Johnson, Gordon, and Dale, Jr. passed the strickened car, they might have a lump in their throats, at least for a while. 253. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Sad to see a great driver's career coming to such a disappointing end. 254. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Lawl. Patrick crashed on pit lane. 255. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) LOL, the sport's two most prominent pay drivers had a pit road accident, appears to actually not be Danica's fault though. 256. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) ...and BoB just ruined Menard's night 257. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Can't wait until she tries to wreck Paul in retaliation but tears up her own car instead (a la Kansas last year). 258. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Guys, what did you expect? Mark's 54 years old. But even I thought he wouldn't struggle this bad in the #14 car. But the signs were there, considering his performances in the #55 car, compared to Brian Vickers' runs in that car. When Tony's team put Mark in that car, it was a signal that they had waved the white flag of surrender on this season, because we know Regan Smith or Austin Dillon would have been much more competitive in that car, but since each was in the hunt for the NNS title (Smith no longer is), it would have been a bad idea to put either of them in that car at that time. But with Austin driving that car at Talladega, I expect the #14 car to be among the contenders there. 259. TS1420 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (4) (6) "Are we in for another HMS engine armeggedon?" We can only hope... 260. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Anybody else tired of that damn Sprint zombie commercial? 261. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @258, At Talladega, I would expect Chris Lafferty to be competitor in the 14 car. 262. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sprint's Zombie commercial makes me laugh every dang time for some reason. Even if it's terrible. Maybe it's because I play alot of 'classic' Resident Evil and the idea of seeing one of the Zombies in the game on a cell phone is just so d@nm random. 263. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Caution is out. 264. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow. I hadn't even seen Schroder's comment about that commercial. Wanna talk about Irony! 265. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Smith no longer is" I wouldn't stick a fork in Regan just yet; he's a scrappy driver. Let's see how Texas turns out first 266. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The caution is for Martin's engine blowing up. 267. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jean Claude Van Damme! I loved his movies as a kid. 268. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Martin's engine is GONE! So begins the engine atrophy. I think. 269. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Anybody else tired of that damn Sprint zombie commercial? " that girl is kinda cute 270. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) why is one of Newmans guys sweeping up the kitty litter? shouldn't one of Martins guys be doing it? I mean its not like any of them are going to be doing anything for the next 5 days 271. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Apparently, the most important highlight of the race so far is Dale Jr. getting the trash off his grill. 272. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Keselowski takes a jack out of the pits with him. 273. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Worst championship defense ever, even on pit road. 274. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Keselowsi pulled out of his stall too early and took the jack with him. 275. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) F***! This is why I hate ESPN! They all sound like airheads! I wish SO badly that Benny Parsons would re-animate, get unlimited minutes on a Sprint Phone, and then join commentary! Bowyer having trouble on pit lane. Kesleowki fulfills a racing-based dream I had early this year around the time of Vegas, a Jack being stuck on the car as he ran around the track. This is just going from bad to worse for Kes. I'm laughing, as I really don't like Brad at all. 276. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow Brad. 277. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Now Roger's not gonna have to take it out of Brad's paycheck 278. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Some people say the switch to Ford has affected that team. Mistakes like that are why they have struggled, and those things have nothing to do with the manufacturer. 279. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) LOL, someone on NASCAR.com's comment section is singing AC/DC's "The Jack" after seeing Brad drag the jack out of the pits. 280. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I see Brad Keselowski's 2013 season continues. 281. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Waiting for Johnson and Jr to start dropping due tot hem having oil on their windshields. Newman is terrible loose through 1 and 2 on the restart. 282. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) hey DSFF, what was that you said about the 'wreck that he cause while coming up to the front would be his fault'? I see no wreck. He's up to 5th. 283. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Busch already going for fifth. Hate to say it, but I think we might very well see the sweep tonight... 284. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Hendrick team photo at the front. Good thing its only lap 93. 285. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Larson up to 11th! 286. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Just realized that Hendrick has the top two rows swept. Let's end the race now to piss people off. 287. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Larson is running 11th at the moment. 288. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I guess Johnson hasn't benefited too much from the lubricated windshield... 289. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Stewart oils up his joints before stretching with Mobil 1. I love it. He dips oreos in soda. I hate it. 290. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) That commercial for the Texas race is actually gonna be more entertaining than the Texas race. 291. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (7) (1) Here it is, a parody of "Born To Be Wild", Kyle Busch-style: I blew my motor chokin' At Chicago in '09 Looking for that pit crew And looking asinine Yeah, darlin' Gonna blow this Chase run Show the world that I have no brains Fire all of my crew at once And explode into flames I like to smoke my tires And take a winning bow Racing in the minor leagues Just like NASCAR will allow Yeah, darlin' Gonna blow this Chase run Show the world that I have no brains Fire all of my crew at once And explode into flames Like a true nature's child I was born Born to be wild I can be the bad guy In the blink of an eye Born to be wild Born to be wild I wrecked Keselowski in a run-in But I still got more class Then I go crash and spin And look like an ass Yeah, darlin' Gonna blow this Chase run Show the world that I have no brains Fire all of my crew at once And explode into flames Like a true nature's child I was born Born to be wild I can be the bad guy In the blink of an eye Born to be wild Born to be wild 292. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Yes. Bobby, Donnie, and Cale reliving their '79 Daytona 500 fight. Highlight of the night so far. 293. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You know it's sad when we're talking about commercials just as much as the race. 294. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) COMMERCIAL BREAK AFTER ONLY 6 LAPS! FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 295. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Okay. I'm sold. Larson is gonna be really good. If he can run this well in the Finch/Scott car in his first ever start, then I think he can run just as well and probably better in Ganassi's cars. As long as Chip sticks with him, he'll be really good. 296. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "In the blink of an eye" Be careful with this line. Michael Fraudtrip might sue you to bring attention to himself. 297. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'm not particularly stoked that the guy Kyle Larson has affiliate himself with is Chip Ganassi. 298. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "That commercial for the Texas race is actually gonna be more entertaining than the Texas race" They usually are; it was an exciting track for 6-7 years, but now it's starting to become a one grove racetrack 299. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Time for the benefit-somebody caution. Take your pick as to who it should benefit. 300. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) ^ Well they're not coming up to lap BoB, so it won't be her 301. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ESPN just called Jimmie Johnson a championship. Not a 5-time Champion. Not a Championship contendor. Just a Championship. Oh, it's so sad that I've not been able to watch a NASCAR race live since the Coke 600 this year. It's really taken a toll on me. I insult things and point out things that I used to just chalk up to err. Gordon curses on the radio. He's still over 9000 curses behind Jr. and over 12 mil behind Ky Busch. 302. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Okay. I'm sold. Larson is gonna be really good. If he can run this well in the Finch/Scott car in his first ever start, then I think he can run just as well and probably better in Ganassi's cars." He's in a Ganassi prepared car tonight entered by Harry Scott, not one of the usual #51 cars. 303. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "He's in a Ganassi prepared car tonight entered by Harry Scott, not one of the usual #51 cars." Well in that case, if he'll be running this same equipment next year, he'll still be really good as a rookie. 304. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Why does BSPN always play crummy modern covers of good classic rock songs whenever they go to commercial break? 305. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Anyone remember the good cover by Fear factory of Gary Numan's cars? the one they used for Test Drive 6? THAT would be a good cover for them to use. 306. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) it looks like Kahne has some damage behind his tire and something is dragging. I've been wrong before 307. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I remeber when 16 second stops for 4 tires was considered fast. Are the pit crew guys taking 'roids nowadays? Or did they find something that I've never heard of to allow them to shave 3-4 seconds off of that time? 308. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Pit crews are pretty much their own sports teams now in the way they operate. A lot of these guys are ex-football players who weren't quite good enough to play professionally. 309. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Hell, I remember when a nearly 20 second long pit stop was considered a good pit stop. Now that'll put you WAY back in the field if you have a stop that slow. 310. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Ugh, never thought I'd actually be HOPING for a bogus boredom debris caution. 311. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 'A lot of these guys are ex-football players who weren't quite good enough to play professionally.' Dang. How had I not heard of that? I'll admit. While it blows my mind, I'm not complaining about the quick stops. It's one thing that I think this generation has over the 'golden era', whatever you say the golden era was. 312. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Also, just a bit of interesting info. Only if some really freak incident happens at Homestead that prevents that track from ever being used again, it looks like the 2012-2013 season will be the first time in Nascar's Modern Era that the 8 year rule of 'ditching a good track' would happen. 1972: Texas. 1980: Ontario 1988: Riverside 1996: N. Wilksboro 2004: Rockingham GOD those four tracks should never of been ditched. Ontario would always be leaps and bounds better then Indy for stock cars! Riverside is my favorite track ever made, 'nough said. Wilksboro had that interesting up and down thing going on. Rockingham was a 1.5 miler crammed into the body of a Bristol-like place. Track is pure fun to drive on. 313. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) it looks like the 2012-2013 season will be the first time in Nascar's Modern Era that the 8 year rule of 'ditching a good track' would happen. My Engrish are funny. it should have looked like this: it looks like the 2012-2013 seasons will be the first time in Nascar's Modern Era that the 8 year rule of 'ditching a good track' would NOT happen. 314. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) It took Kyle Busch probably 10 minutes to lap Danica once he caught her, she may have struggled early in the race but she's running solid laptimes now. 315. A none regular posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Comment 185: "It's time? One of you boys must be behind on the deleting process. Boys in a man's world. " Last I checked my manhood was pretty damned big. Definitely Bigger than yours and definitely not pumped up by Kevin Conway's pec%er pills. That was a reference to the moderator deleting peoples comments. But how do you get pecker size out of that? You obviously didn't understand what the kcuf I was saying? 316. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't think Tony's doing the splits nowadays! 317. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yikes. It looks like my newest song parody didn't go over nearly as well as my first one. I think I'll retire while I still have a good record. 318. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I liked Born to be Wild 319. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Fake caution. 320. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Caution flag for mystery debris. 321. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ahh, DSFF got his wish. 322. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The first Kyle Larson benefit caution. 323. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Whoops, I'm sorry. That wasn't a fake caution. It was for a piece of paper. My bad. 324. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) no, this was legit debris 325. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) The piece of crumpled up paper...a race car's mortal enemy. 326. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Destroyahirismix666: Ontario & Riverside were not written off the schedule; Ontario went bankrupt & Riverside was sold under pressure from developers 327. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I was going to say "this Debris caution is sponsored by Bank of America" but its a legit caution 328. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I posted on yahoo answers once they are talking about a track in the pacific northwest, why not build a Riverside clone up in Oregon/Washington? 329. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) That's Johnson's first good restart since Dover... 330. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Good job Felipe. 331. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jimmie Johnson to the lead on the restart. Here comes the hate. 332. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jimmie is leading? its over. he's won the race and the championship 333. TS1420 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (8) (2) New Leader: 48 New Channel: Me 334. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "why not build a Riverside clone up in Oregon/Washington" That was a rumor for the last 5-6 years, but now the project appears dead 335. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) You know a cool race track I wish they could have kept on the NASCAR circuit? Trenton. I've seen videos of '70s Indy Car races there, it looked like a very unique track. Can't get much more unique than a track with a kink on the backstretch that requires you to turn left, then right. Too bad that track has been torn down for years... 336. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Matt Kenseth is LURKING. Don't hand the trophy to Johnson just yet... 337. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "That's Johnson's first good restart since Dover..." Heck, that was Jeff's first good restart since... 338. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) As soon as they start talking about Hamlin he falls back to 14th. 339. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) You're right, Matt Kenseth is right outside the top 5. I sure hope in the end he turns beast mode. 340. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) D'oh, I got it backwards-at Trenton you had to turn right first and then left on the backstretch. Still, that would have been a nice track to keep around on the NASCAR schedule. It would at least have been different from pretty much every other mile-and-a-half track on the circuit... 341. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "As soon as they start talking about Hamlin he falls back to 14th." Have you noticed Denny's been running what, in the top 10 everytime they talk about him but he ends up NOT finishing in the top 10? The past 16 races Denny Hamlin has a best finish of 12th, which was Loudon, one of his strongest tracks, but also his only top 15 finish since his 8th place finish @ Pocono back in June. Martinsville coming though. 342. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Clint Bowyer now has one of the fastest cars out there. Really hoping we don't see Clint pull into victory lane. Last thing we need to see is Michael Shamtrip in victory lane... 343. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Concrete Carl gonna win 344. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Concrete Carl droppin like a rock 345. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Have you noticed Denny's been running what, in the top 10 everytime they talk about him but he ends up NOT finishing in the top 10?" I actually have noticed that. Maybe they should just stop talking about him. He seems to have been running better the last few weeks, so maybe that new treatment or whatever on his back is helping. I think he mainly just needs the season to end so he can properly heal it. Hopefully he can get fully healthy and come back strong next year. I wouldn't consider myself really a fan of his, but I don't hate him either like a lot of others do. More than anything, I would just hate to see an injury that came out of something stupid (the Logano feud) kill a great driver's career. 346. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Really hoping we don't see Clint pull into victory lane. Last thing we need to see is Michael Shamtrip in victory lane..." Someone else earlier mentioned about him loving the attention he gets. Well, could anyone else see Clint Bowyer winning a race, and during his interview Waltrip shoves him out of the way so the camera focuses only on him? 347. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Race promoters are sweating out a possible JJ win and points lead. June dropping. More HMS motor issues? 348. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @Schroeder: Clint Bowyer, Brad Keselowksi, Denny Hamlin & Jeff Gordon are the only multiple winners of 2012 left that has not won in 2013. That's the top 2 in the standings last year, 2 of the three drivers who won the most races(5 apiece tied with Jimmie Johnson), & a driver who won the final race of 2012. That's how much of a difference this season has been compared to last. 349. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Should've mention this earlier but you should retire" "You should screw yourself." Guess who this mystery driver is? MARK MARTIN. 350. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) The only MWR driver I'm rooting for is Truex. I want to see him win and then announce in victory lane that he is the new driver for the 78 next year, then proceeding to give Mikey a Will Power double bird. That would be great. 351. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Matt Kenseth side by side with Jeff Gordon for 4th? Don't ask who's about to crack a hole in your front door Jimmie. & Matt completes the pass to fourth. 352. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Well, could anyone else see Clint Bowyer winning a race, and during his interview Waltrip shoves him out of the way so the camera focuses only on him?" Won't happen tonight. Waltrip is in California running tonight's K&N West race. 353. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon is starting to fall back as well. 354. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Larson might be blowing up, according to Jenna Fryer. 355. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) In fact, he's running the slowest lap times of those on the lead lap. 356. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) June and Gordon both hit a point in the run and then just faded badly. 357. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Great run for Newman tonight. They haven't talked about him at all, but he's pretty much been hovering around 5th and 6th all night. 358. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) BSPN trying to get us to feel sympathy for Bowyer, I see... 359. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Junebug's really going backwards, JPM got by him and now Hamlin's closed up to pass him. 360. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) Just watch 361. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Yes, Carl Edwards is going to have a miraculous charge to the front despite the fact that he's running 12th, 3/4ths of a lap down. I believe you, Tim James. 362. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Kyle Larson appears to have gone off the track. 363. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) DAMNIT I thought Larson was running an EGR engine 364. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Note to the drivers: Stop continuing to bore us to death and put on a thrilling battling for the lead because all you whinny spoiled rich primma donnas owe us something out of this wretched season. 365. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I thought Larson was running an EGR engine" Ganassi switched to Hendrick motors this year. 366. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) maybe just maybe Hendrick is telling his other 3 cars to slow down because Jimmie is in the lead 367. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I will now eat my words for predicting that Larson would get a top 10 tonight. 368. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I watched about 5 minutes of the race earlier and checked Nascar's website and here once each...I'm pretty much done with this race. I may look again in about 45 minutes to see if anything has changed, but I'm not counting on it. 369. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) This race is so boring, I'm tempted to just turn it off and play some games. I'm not seeing any strategies play out or being formed. This race is so exciting, there's no way that I could turn it off. I'm seeing so many strategies play out and being formed. There. I talked out of both sides of my keyboard. 370. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Another thrilling Charlotte race... 371. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) who's engines are Childress running? 372. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) To battle for the lead, you have to first catch up to the leader... Really sucks to see Larson's debut end this way, he was having a great run. I think he'll get a win next season even in Chip Ganassi's bad equipment. 373. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well this is terrible... 374. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) BOR 375. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) ING 376. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) You know what, screw it. I'm going to go play some games for a little while. I'll turn back to the race in a bit. Hopefully something will have formed strategy wise that will entertain me. 377. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Junior's engine has to be going down, there's just no way someone can slow down so much in the matter of an hour. 378. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Best part of the night, seeing the old footage of Bobby and even Darrell. 379. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Charlotte is just so bad as a race track since they messed with it. The All Star race always sucks now, this race sucks, and the 600 sucks for about 500 of its miles (until strategy comes into play at the end). I know I bash Kansas, Chicago, and Las Vegas a lot, but good lord, this track has been nothing but excruciating for a while now. 380. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And of course the Android Parade at the front of the field doesn't help matters either. 381. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Busch says he's blowing up. 382. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle may be having mechanical problems. 383. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Busch claims he is blowing up, but his lap times don't reflect that at all, he's fastest on the track or very close to it. 384. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Possible engine trouble for Kyle Busch. 385. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Sensing a Junior beneficiary caution coming soon... 386. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Pinball Vickers takes out the commitment cone. 387. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ... or maybe not, he just abandoned the beneficiary position to pit. 388. TS1420 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Tune back in just to see Nap Time is still in effect. Tuning back out. 389. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) at least when Vettel is dominating a race, the F1 broadcasts show drivers racing for position instead of just the leader driving with no one around. 390. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think the point of showing the leader is to show where the pitters are in relation to him. 391. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jimmie Johnson is probably going to win on gas mileage. Oh boy. 392. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Or Jimmie, Kyle & Kasey could run out toward the end, giving Matt Kenseth a huge win with Brad Keselowski 2nd. That'll be a terrific ending. 393. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) I am yawning so hard you can see down my throat into my stomach. 394. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) This will be a worst nightmare come true if it really does come down to Jimmie and Kasey head to head. The refusal to race hard for a win that Kasey has shown lately would surely come to fruition again against his teammate. Jr has more debris on his grill. 395. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) or a caution will come out which will invalidate everything strategically related 396. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @Murb, they are showing Denny Hamlin passing Kevin Harvick for 9th. Jinxed? 397. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #392 That's what we would all probably want to see-which means that's not going to happen. 398. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Let's see if the drivers will mix it up more in these final 40 laps, as that's the only thing that will save this race from being completely forgettable. 399. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) full-screen cautions because nothing is going on 400. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Thought NASCAR Non-Stop took effect throughout the second half of races... 401. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Easily the worst race of the year. Let's see if it can redeem itself in the last 35 laps. 402. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "@Murb, they are showing Denny Hamlin passing Kevin Harvick for 9th. Jinxed?" It's pretty late in the race for something to go haywire, but then again Denny does have a TuRD of an engine. I like that Nascar isn't throwing a bunch of bullshit cautions, but at the same time this has just been a horrible race. There's been no passing, and it's another clean air derby. To me the only positive thing you can say is that Nascar hasn't been manipulating it. I don't know how you can defend this race with anything other than that. 403. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Honestly, I don't think we're going to get another caution before the end of this race. Then again, saying that before has caused one to come out... 404. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The Shamtrip-mobile is down a cylinder. 405. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Bowyer's not hitting peak RPMs... 406. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Debris. 407. TeamPlayersBlue posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Lol 408. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) FAKE YELLOW 409. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Of course. Let's throw a debris caution so we can have an AWESOME finish. 410. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Johnson's-too-far-out-in-front caution. 411. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Integrity caution. 412. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Schroeder is a reverse-jinxing psychic. 413. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Apparently its on the backstretch. Must be all those white lines. 414. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 4th longest green flag run of the year. About 5 laps later, caution. 415. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) As soon as I commend Nascar for not manipulating this thing, it happens. Oh well, I guess all I can do is hope for something remotely exciting to happen. 416. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Carl got lap back 417. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wait...Gordon beat Johnson off pit road? 418. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Wait...Gordon beat Johnson off pit road?" These are the same eyes that see all that debris... 419. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon takes two tires but still gets beat out of the pits by Jimmie, who took four. 420. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think Gordon only got 2 and I think he still didn't beat dos jotas out. Kahne will probably take the outside this time to block Kenseth. 421. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Yes, and that means Carl is obviously going to fly through the field from 11th to 1st in less than 25 laps, doesn't it? I'm honestly laughing that apparently someone believes him considering his comments have a thumbs-up. 422. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No, it looks like Jeff Gordon IS 2nd after all? 423. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Nevermind, Jeff did manage to get out of the pits ahead of Jimmie. 424. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Johnson visibly beat Gordon out... really, NASCAR? 425. Paul posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Gordon did beat Johnson off pit road. The white line right in front of the #1 pit box (Gordon's pit box) is considered the end of pit road. The yellow line indicates when cars can go above pit road speed. 426. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Best. Restart. Ever. 427. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Horrible restart by Johnson! 428. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jimmie clams the restart. 429. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Johnson pulls a Gordon. 430. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Go Brad Go! Those two tires aren't working out for Gordon. 431. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) I'm gonna laugh if Brad wins. 432. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I think Keselowski's going to win this race. 433. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Nice pick, Rubens. 434. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Gordon did beat Johnson off pit road. The white line right in front of the #1 pit box (Gordon's pit box) is considered the end of pit road. The yellow line indicates when cars can go above pit road speed." Thanks for the clarification. 435. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Yeah, Brad's got this one. 436. Paul posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) What a dumb decision for the #24 team to change just two tires. The #5 team could get away with it because it's been fast all night. Unless my car is very fast and handling to perfection (which the #24 car wasn't), I wouldn't change two tires at this stage of a 1.5-mile track race, especially since not much track position was gained. 437. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff is able to stabilize and stop the bleeding in seventh. 438. epzik8 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Brad Keselowski and Matt Kenseth both started in the middle of the field and now they're second and third. 439. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Man, THIS is racing! 440. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) After 400+ miles of garbage, this is probably gonna end up as a photo finish or something. 441. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Dang, this battle is GOOD! I'm glad I could watch tonight. 442. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Holy crap. Kasey's actually going for it for once. 443. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Wouldn't it be funny if Brad won 4 races in a row or something to close out the season after having such a bad year? 444. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Five to go! 445. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.12.2013 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) What do you know, we got an exciting battle after all to save the race from being forgettable. Really hoping Brad can win this. 446. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) White Flag baby! 447. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) YES!!!!!!!!!! WHOO-HOO! 448. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Well BK, you've made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Way to go! 449. Sector posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Brad scores his 10th career win after being winless for a whole year. Matt Kenseth 3rd, Jimmie Johnson 4th, Kenseth is able to prevent Jimmie Johnson from gaining any grounds in the points tonight. 450. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Brad wins. Wow. 451. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Good to see Brad finally get a win in the right series. Congrats to him for coming back from that jack mishap. Terrible race. 452. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) It's Miller Time!!! 453. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) While I'd rather see Keselowski win than Johnson, I absolutely HATE it that this race had to be manipulated in order to get a good finish. I would have rather seen this play out naturally on the track. But anyways, congrats to Brad, as I said, I COULD somehow see him ending his terrible championship defense by winning 4 consecutive races or something...That would be funny as hell. 454. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Least a ford won. Carl top ten. 455. epzik8 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Brad Keselowski finally wins a Cup race after five Nationwide wins this year. Only four cautions too. 456. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Hopefully this finish will put to rest the idea that NASCAR wants Johnson to win. Of course, it won't. 457. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also, as much as I hate to bring up the Kyle Busch/Brad K fued again, this is the second time Kyle as called someone stupid(or an ogre in the case of Newman)and that driver went on to win the very next race. Talk about getting egg in your face. 458. Watto posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Holy crap. Kasey's actually going for it for once." He *always* goes for it. He just doesn't usually race dirty for it. 459. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) ***Unpopular opinion alert*** Frankly, I'm glad NASCAR threw a fake caution. As much as I don't like that, I dislike the idea of another boring Johnson win more. 460. Peter posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The Champ is Here! 461. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Phew! At least he won't go winless this year. Get some momentum built for 2014. 462. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Kasey's late run gave him the most laps led and cost his #1 a point. 463. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "But anyways, congrats to Brad, as I said, I COULD somehow see him ending his terrible championship defense by winning 4 consecutive races or something...That would be funny as hell." Well, the moment of the race was the botched restart by Johnson. If the race had gone green, essentially the pass for the win would have been on the restart around half way. 464. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think DSFF had a stroke. His driver won and he hasn't said anything yet. 465. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Never mind. He's commented. 466. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Also, Matt doesn't lose the points lead. Good job by them to avoid a big hit it looked like they were gonna take. 467. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) Um, why exactly does Junior need an interview? He was a complete non-factor in the second half of that race. 468. TS1420 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) That last caution saved this race a complete dud. What a comeback by Brad to win. Too bad Kenseth couldn't have gotten past Kahne and gained a point over Nap-Time. Overall suckass race, one of the top five worst of the season. I give it a 3/10. 469. 83andJoe posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Thing that annoyed me tonight: that they kept commenting on "the two drivers making their Sprint Cup debut tonight", Scott and Larson - but not a word about Blake Koch, who, surprisingly, didn't S&P... 470. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "Um, why exactly does Junior need an interview? He was a complete non-factor in the second half of that race." He's the most popular driver, dude. Like it or not a lot of fans want to hear what he has to say, me included. 471. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And Kasey Kahne finishes second, AGAIN. This time, he actually got passed for the win. But I think had the situation been reversed, with Keselowski leading and Kahne pursuing with the faster car, Keselowski would have won anyway, since Kahne can't pass anyone to win a race. And Paul, it wouldn't have made a difference whether Gordon's team changed two or four tires on the last stop, because he was going to finish about seventh anyway. They hoped that Gordon could get the lead on the restart and that clean air would help his handling situation, but he couldn't get the lead. 472. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Talladega and Martinsville in the next two weeks. Should be a lot of fun, and it a nice break from the 1.5 milers. 473. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Kasey's late run gave him the most laps led and cost his #1 a point. - In the wise words of Darth Vader at the end of Star Wars Episode III, "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo." 474. Paul posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Brad Keselowski ends his long winless streak and Denny Hamlin ends his long top ten-less streak. This was the first win for a #2 Miller Lite Ford since Rusty Wallace took the checkered flag at Fontana in 2001, on what would have been Dale Earnhardt's 50th birthday. Speaking of The Intimidator, Brad made a great pass for the win in those closing laps. Kasey Kahne made a nice crossover move to hold onto the lead, but Brad was able to fake Kahne out with a hard charge on the outside coming into the dog leg, and then pulled a crossover of his own coming down the backstretch and passed Kahne from the inside line. I'm not a fan of either driver, but that was one heck of a battle for the win between two drivers with nothing to lose at this stage in the season 475. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I feel more relief than anything. I had to listen to the end on the radio. Got to watch the first 300 laps on TV, then got sent to standby for another unit. I just knew he'd be winless this year. Very happy and hopeful for 2014. But his horrible title defense got redeemed slightly. Feels good. 476. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You know, when I was younger, I actually REALLY used to like Charlotte a lot. I'm at a loss to explain why I actually liked the track, as this track has basically become quite possibly the most dull out of all the cookie-cutter tracks. I don't actually give races grades, but if I honestly had to grade this one, this one would get an easy F. Only the last 20 laps were really worth watching. 477. Paul posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "he was going to finish about seventh anyway." He was running 6th when the caution came out. 478. BON GORDON posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Dont like Brad K but congrats to him and the #2 team. Didn't have the best car but he was good when it counted. A little disappointed with Jeff Gordon's finish. I thought he would be a little better. Had the #24 team been smart and took four tires under the last caution he could've got a fourth or fifth instead. Oh well, on to Talladega. In my opinion if Kenseth can leave Talladega with a Top 15 they will be the champions. Even with a bad car early they came back to finish third. 479. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Also too, I just want to say one more time that I was really impressed with Larson until his engine blew. I've been kind of hard on him and pretty skeptical, but he proved tonight that he's capable of driving a Cup car. Like I said, if Ganassi doesn't screw him over somehow, he's gonna be REALLY good. Definitely better than Austin Dillon will be next year, I think. 480. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "He's the most popular driver, dude. Like it or not a lot of fans want to hear what he has to say, me included." True, but in that case, why doesn't BoB get interviewed after every race? She is a media darling and already one of the most popular drivers in the sport (outside those of us who can actually see she's only really good for marketing). Even if she's not in the Chase, I imagine a lot of people would want to see what she would have to say about her constant mediocre finishes. And yes, to be honest I was half expecting a Danica interview. 481. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow, absolutely relieved nobody had to call 911 for DSFF. When the caution came out on the last lap of the '98 Daytona 500, my mom, an Earnhardt fan, fell back in her living room chair and hit the back of her head and the carpet... no EMT needed. 482. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Kasey's late run gave him the most laps led and cost his #1 a point. - In the wise words of Darth Vader at the end of Star Wars Episode III, "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo."" Ha! Check this tweet out: "@DarthHendrick is reprimanding Kasey Kahne for taking the bonus point for leading the most laps away from Johnson. #NASCAR" 483. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) "Kasey's late run gave him the most laps led and cost his #1 a point." Just out of curiosity, how do the conspiracy theorists explain this? I thought Hendrick always told his drivers to back off whenever a good performance by another HMS driver will hurt Jimmie... 484. murb posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "You know, when I was younger, I actually REALLY used to like Charlotte a lot. I'm at a loss to explain why I actually liked the track, as this track has basically become quite possibly the most dull out of all the cookie-cutter tracks." It used to be really good in the 90s and early 2000s. But in typical Bruton Smith fashion, he and his stooges had to go and mess it up in about 2006 or so. Ever since then, it's been horrendous. 485. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "This was the first win for a #2 Miller Lite Ford since Rusty Wallace took the checkered flag at Fontana in 2001, on what would have been Dale Earnhardt's 50th birthday." Funny you mention that. At the beginning of the season, I thought about that and had planned a big post talking about it after Brad's "inevitable" first win of the season, most likely in the first 6 races. It has been so long, I have honestly forgot what I was gonna say. Congrats to Brad and the 2 team and Fontana 2001 was a great tribute by Rusty to his fallen friend, fishing buddy, and fiercest on track rival. Only Petty and Pearson had a more "symbiotic" rivalry than Dale and Rusty where the presence of the other forced them to step their games up to levels they would not have reached otherwise. 486. TS1420 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "You know, when I was younger, I actually REALLY used to like Charlotte a lot. I'm at a loss to explain why I actually liked the track, as this track has basically become quite possibly the most dull out of all the cookie-cutter tracks." The repave, along with the constantly worsening aero-sensitivity of the cars, killed this track. I too used to look forward to the Charlotte races before 2006. 487. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I enjoyed the race. Maybe I will go to a race? Wonder which track would put on the best show? 488. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think the cars have killed the racing more than anything. In the late 90s and early 00s, races at any given track could be competitive. Remember all the photo finishes at Atlanta with close action throughout the races? A lot of the bad racing has come about with the COT chassis. They may be racing the Gen 6 now, but the Gen 6 still uses the COT chassis. They need to make some change to make it easier to drive side by side, and I don't know the physics well enough to know what it is. If it's increasing the ride height, then go for it (talk of eliminating the ride height is stupid, it will only worsen the effect). If it's a roof wicker, then go for it, no matter how silly it may look. It's not as if they can't do anything, it's just that they haven't acted. 489. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) So he really didn't gain or lose very much when they took that gamble, but he ended up finishing around the same position they would have finished in, anyway, Paul. And had they taken four tires, there's a chance he would have finished around tenth, because I don't think he would have beaten any of those that finished in front of him if he had taken four tires, except possibly for Kevin Harvick. The others that finished ahead of him had better cars, anyway. So he really only lost a position to Kevin Harvick with that two-tire gamble, but here' a possibility that he might have finished behind others such as Ryan Newman, Carl Edwards, and possibly Clint Bowyer if not for his end of the race engine trouble. 490. Smiff_2 posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) YESSSSSS.....finally! lol 491. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) What is the best track? I'll drive to Chicago, Kansas, Pocono, even Miami-Homestead. 492. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Thanks for looking out for a new fan? 493. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) When is Jeff finally gonna man up and get Alan fired from his team? 494. Jonathan posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Second fastest race at Charlotte Motor Speedway. If not for that final caution, they likely would've beat the 1999 running of the 500 mile race. The avg speed that day was 160.306 MPH. 495. David posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) I think the dream weekend for Mr. and Mrs. Smiff would be if they went to Homestead and Brad won the race and Kenseth won the title. 496. Tim James posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) No wonder the fan base is dropping? 497. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2013 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "True, but in that case, why doesn't BoB get interviewed after every race? She is a media darling and already one of the most popular drivers in the sport (outside those of us who can actually see she's only really good for marketing). Even if she's not in the Chase, I imagine a lot of people would want to see what she would have to say about her constant mediocre finishes." You really answered your own question, I think. Most of Danica's big fans are people who don't really follow the sport too closely. Dale Jr.'s fans are NASCAR fans too, in general. Plus, Dale Jr. actually does have a lot of insight a lot times even though he is far from the best. 498. Jim Davis posted: 10.13.2013 - 1:00 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Most of Danica's big fans are people who don't really follow the sport too closely." Actually, I think if this had been a Fox race they would have interviewed Patrick after the race. Fox seemed to dote on Patrick while TNT and ESPN have been much less enthused about her. 499. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.13.2013 - 1:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Apparently, Jamie Dick was injured in his wreck last night. 4 fractured ribs. 500. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 1:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Isn't this Penske's first Fall Charlotte win? I know Rusty only won it once and that was for Blue Max. 501. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.13.2013 - 2:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) From what I could tell, it was not only Penske's first win in the fall Charlotte race, but it was also only the second Charlotte win for Penske at all. The other was the 600 with Kurt Busch in 2010. 502. AveryNH posted: 10.13.2013 - 2:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Rats, you beat me to it Zackary. So as a result, here is the best finsh for each Penske driver in the fall Charlotte race: Dave Marcis: 26th, 1972 Bobby Allison: 3rd, 1976 Rusty Wallace: 4th, 1993 Ryan Newman: 2nd, 2003 Kurt Busch: 3rd, 2008 David Stremme: 19th, 2009 Sam Hornish Jr: 15th, 2012 Brad Keselowski: 1st, 2013 Joey Logano: 18th, 2013 503. DaleJrFan posted: 10.13.2013 - 2:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) It was good to see Keselowski win but the favoritism of Johnson continues at Hendrick Motorsports. I'm not talking just about favoring him over Earnhardt Jr but Mr. H even favors Johnson over Gordon. It is weird that Earnhardt was able to be in the top 5 in the first part of the race and then go a lap down. I think his pit crew messed up the handling of his car. Again this is just what it think, I might be wrong. With all due respect, all of you can dislike this, it doesn't matter. 504. We need more Onion posted: 10.13.2013 - 5:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Whoa, re-read the comments and I see that only the last 20 or so laps were any good. But David's Born to be Kyle is golden. Loved it. 505. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.13.2013 - 6:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Congrats on the Blue Deuce for returning to the winner's circle 506. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 6:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I knew Kurt won the 600, but I thought Bobby also won it for him. Must be thinking of the Southern 500. And I knew Rusty's one win in the 600 also came for Blue Max. For The Captain's stranglehold on the Indianapolis 500, he's had a tough time with NASCAR big name races. 507. Daniel posted: 10.13.2013 - 7:05 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I really do appreciate all of the following commenters no matter what they are about and GO GORDON, GET 'EM AT TALLADEGA: (DaleSrFanForever Zackary Shawn Jim Davis David Jonathan Smiff_2 cjs3872 NoLongerAnonymous TS1420 murb Jarrett88fan Schroeder51 BON GORDON Paul 83andJoe SpeedWorld97 Chad's Hair Plugs Peter Watto New14 & 88Fan epzik8 Tim James Sector RCRandPenskeGuy OldSchoolNascarDude1 TeamPlayersBlue jabber1990 Destroyahirismix666 JG24shouldbe5time Benjamin Lowe Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! A none regular MarkMartinFan We need more Onion RaceFanX The Long Shot An Aussie Commentor kup NicoRosbergFan Eric DB1995 Juicy 42 12345Dude joey2448 AveryNH Cornys JG24FanForever Anonymous BluesTravelerFan numbah10hatah Dense Drip The Sound Mark N. 18fan Watto irony JRacingFast Scott. B Neal Ed) 508. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.13.2013 - 9:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) Wow, every comment from #1 through #501 has at least one thumbs down, with the exception of #128 by Daniel and a couple of comments by Tim "Concrete Carl gonna win" James. While Tim James has several comments with thumbs down, those were pretty unintelligent comments that earned their thumbs down. Daniel is the same poster who was without a thumbs down on last week's race page. Either these two are the same person, are two trolls operating together, or are two trolls operating separately. 509. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) There were a few milestones that were set up to happen after Kanas. Kurt Busch and Kevin Harvick were going for their 100th career top 5 finish and Dale Earnhardt Jr. was going for his 200th top 10. Some milestones that were accomplished this weekend include Jr.'s 500th start (which didn't turn out as well for him as it did Matt Kenseth) as well as the very first starts for Blake Koch, Kyle Larson, and Brian Scott. Among the top finishers and the Chase drivers, there are no new milestones (at least what I would consider a milestone) that can be met at Talladega that wasn't already achievable at Charlotte. 510. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "There were a few milestones that were set up to happen after Kanas. Kurt Busch and Kevin Harvick were going for their 100th career top 5 finish and Dale Earnhardt Jr. was going for his 200th top 10." I meant to note that all 3 men failed to meet their milestones. 511. jabber1990 posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Just out of curiosity, how do the conspiracy theorists explain this? I thought Hendrick always told his drivers to back off whenever a good performance by another HMS driver will hurt Jimmie..." I have a few theories 1) all 4 cars were pretty good today so if Hendrick told his cars to back off and let Jimmie go it would have been really obvious 2) we've figured it out, so he's not doing that just to silence the conspiracy theorists 512. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'm not trying to beat up on Kasey Kahne, but how many times has he had the best car and still not finished the deal, due to either his own troubles or strategy problems? There's no reason why he shouldn't have as many wins as Matt Kenseth and Jimmie Johnson have on the season. Also, props to Zackary Shawn. I was randomly scrolling through Twitter last night and saw that the Orange Cone retweeted you. 513. RaceFanX posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Brad Keselowski's victory keeps him from becoming the first defending Cup champion to be shut out of victory lane the following year since Dale Earnhardt in 1981 (granted Earnhardt had a lot of off-track drama that year including a mid-season team change.). 514. Anonymous posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) ^Alan Kulwicki :( 515. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2013 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) DSFF, Bobby Allison only ran the World 600 once for Penske, in 1976 when he finished fourth. Allison did not run the 600 in 1975 because he was running at Indy for Penske that same day. (Indy and Charlotte were scheduled to be run on the same day for the first time in 1974.) And to illustrate how difficult it's been for Penske in the big NASCAR races, it took him 37 years to win the Daytona 500, finally winning it with Ryan Newman in 2008 (he first ran it with Mark Donohue in 1972), it took him 39 years to win the Coca-Cola 600 (he first ran it with Dave Marcis in 1972 and didn't win it until 2010), his only Southern 500 win came all the way back in 1975 (with Allison), and he's still never won the Brickyard 400 in 20 years of trying. Granted, he did not always have a NASCAR team (he only had a brief return after selling out to Rod Osterlund following the 1977 season through 1990, and that was with Rusty Wallace in 1980), but it also shows how tough the big races are to win because everyone shows up with their best in those events. 516. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.13.2013 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "When is Jeff finally gonna man up and get Alan fired from his team?" That's the only bad part of Gordon's late season surge...not as many reasons to get rid of Gustafson. I doubt this latest move (while I didn't like it either) cost Jeff the title or will be viewed that way. If things kept going like they did in the summer, I have a feeling we'd see a new chief a top the #24's box in 2014...although it would probably end up being someone from within the Hendrick Org. anyway and wouldn't make much difference. Man, I see I missed a decent ending. I turned it back on in time to see the Blue Deuce doing his burnout and overheating in Victory Lane. I see the standings didn't change much either as Matt finished ahead of JJ and Harvick stayed ahead of Gordon, but behind the two leaders. I'm hoping for something interesting to happen at 'Dega and/or Martinsville. I'm glad to see someone else atop the standings, but it's becoming just a two horse show and the second horse is just too close. 517. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2013 - 11:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) And by the way, isn't it curious how the championship battles in both the Cup and Nationwide Series effectively ended in draws this weekend? The top two in the NNS championship finished exactly as they started and the top five in the Cup Series points also ended effectively as they started, with the biggest movement being Jeff Gordon losing four points and everyone remaining in the same position in points. I guarantee that there will be big movement in each of the next two races, because the wrecks at Talladega will likely cause seismic movement in the points, and Martinsville will cause a shake-up because some of the championship drivers run significantly better than others. But we should know by the end of the race at Martinsville how many drivers will be going for the championship, and who those drivers will be. I suspect that at least one, and possibly as many as three of the current top five may not be in contention by the end of the race at Martinsville, and it wouldn't surprise me if one of the current top two was on that list. One thing's for sure. Jimmie Johnson will likely be MIA for most of next week's race at Talladega, riding in the back to avoid trouble, as that's always been part of his team's Chase strategy. 518. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.13.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "One thing's for sure. Jimmie Johnson will likely be MIA for most of next week's race at Talladega, riding in the back to avoid trouble, as that's always been part of his team's Chase strategy." Jimmie said this week that due to the new rule package that strategy would no longer work and he will likely be up towards the front at Talladega as much as possible. 519. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.13.2013 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "Also, props to Zackary Shawn. I was randomly scrolling through Twitter last night and saw that the Orange Cone retweeted you." One of my proudest moments. The tweet was very similar to the comment I left in post 459. I have to admit, I'm actually quite biased (biased, NOT conspiratorial) as a NASCAR fan and that tweet and post prove it. I have criticized mystery debris cautions before, but I've noticed if they help the race achieve a more favorable outcome (in my mind, at least) they all of a sudden become a bit of a saving grace. The same applies to The Chase. Honestly, ***unpopular opinion alert*** I actually think The Chase is a good idea (not the best idea, but a good idea) because, frankly, I watch NASCAR to be entertained and prior to The Chase only one season I had watched had a somewhat exciting finish (2002) and that was a bit of fluke. My criticism of The Chase is mostly due to the fact that Jimmie Johnson has won it 5/9 times. This year I don't mind The Chase because it appears it may be the only thing stopping Johnson, ironically. The other big problem with The Chase, in my opinion, was poor implementation. The 10 races that hosted The Chase in 2004 weren't chosen because of how good/challenging they are. They were chosen because they just happened to be the last 10 races on the schedule. The point of all that was just to say, yeah I'm biased. Who sins the race/championship is probably what I put the most emphasis on when deciding whether I enjoyed the particular race or season. 520. David posted: 10.13.2013 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "But David's Born to be Kyle is golden. Loved it." Thanks for that compliment. That was significantly more difficult to write than the Rocket Man parody, partly because the choice of song was a lot tougher. In comparison, "Rocket Man" practically wrote itself. 521. Daniel posted: 10.13.2013 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am just thanking God that there are still 5 races left, so Gordon can try to make up at least 8 points every race (Talladega, Martinsville, Texas, Phoenix, and Homestead-Miami) on the leaders (Johnson, Kenseth, and Harvick), and he better have eyes in the back of his head too. 522. John Royal posted: 10.13.2013 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Gordon can't possibly make 8 points per race. He is complete non-factor in this races. 523. 18fan posted: 10.13.2013 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think, with Talladega looming, Kyle, Gordon, and Harvick are still in it. After Talladega I think we will have a much better idea of who is a legitimate contender. I think you need to be within 20 points, 25 max, after Talladega to be considered a legitimate contender. It should be noted that the two championship frontrunners, Matt and Jimmie, have dominated the plate races this year, but Matt hasn't closed the deal yet while Jimmie swept Daytona. 524. John Royal posted: 10.13.2013 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Matt and Jimmie need their cars TOTALLED in opening laps of the race to give a chance for other peers at this championship. If not, its done deal. And it goes to Johnson as he beats Kenseth in Martinsville. 525. 18fan posted: 10.13.2013 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Phoenix will be an interesting race in terms of contenders. Johnson doesn't have the stranglehold he did on the old surface and Kenseth has outperformed his career performance at some of the tracks that were considered his worst. 526. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.13.2013 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I actually look forward to each of these remaining races in the Chase, as it will be interesting to see if Matt can hold off Jimmie or if they both have trouble. I'm pulling for Matt to win it myself since out of the Top 5 in points currently, he is closest to being a favorite of mine although I'm not a Kenseth fan. 527. jabber1990 posted: 10.13.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) if I knew a band i'd give them your "Born to be Kyle" lyrics and see if they could do a cover of it. I'd give you credit I think the music video would be cool to see, just go to youtube and view "Kyle Busch fails" and there is 90% of your footage 528. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) But, @518, I don't think Jimmie really cares where he finishes at Talladega, as long as it isn't in the garage with a wrecked race car. If he finishes 15th, that's okay with him because that means he's on the track at the end of the race, and unless they run a conservative race, I expect at least half the field to get involved in wrecks, and if Jimmie's not involved in any of them, he figures to gain ground in the championship, even if he's never a threat to win himself. He and his team's Chase strategy has always been to dominate Dover, Martinsville, run well at the intermediates , and stay out of the wrecks at Talladega. Even if he finishes 15th, if is championship rivals all end up wrecked, which is a distinct possibility there, then that would be like winning the race for him. What I think he'll do is to run at the back until the 400-mile mark, make a run up toward the front in those final 100 miles, and try to avoid the inevitable carnage. If he can do that and finish in the top 15, I think he'll consider that a successful day, because championship contending drivers WILL be involved in wrecks. 529. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.13.2013 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Johnson scores 20 top 10s for the twelfth season in a row, I think this is one of the top 10 records in Nascar of all time and if he were to extend the streak to 16 or 17 seasons in a row it would be very hard for me not to rank him in the top 3 drivers of all time. I think we should note that Johnson is on course for his most consistent chase and if he were to repeat over the next 5 races with top 10s it is almost a mathematical certainty that he will win the championship. For me it is a shootout between Johnson and Kenseth for the title, one of them will win it. The likes of Gordon and Harvick can finish second at best in my opinion. Kyle Busch could be the first driver to score 9 top5 finishes in the chase and still not even win the championship. I think Hendrick have found the extra tenth of a second on the 1.5 mile tracks and are now the equal of Gibbs. Given his strength on plate tracks Johnson has to be favourite at Talladega and Martinsville. Remember he led over 90 laps at Daytona and he will want the bonus point for leading the most laps. I see Phoenix and Homestead being his only stumbling blocks 530. John Royal posted: 10.13.2013 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sure Johnson has become plate-threat, but there is also flips side of the coin. Those battling for the lead later in the race have pretty high risk getting themselves into a big wreck. So I believe Johnson will either wreck or finish very well at Talladega. 531. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Really Cam? Of all the games, you pick this one to play winning football? He'll have 3-4 games per year where he looks splendid. Why this one? Why not last week then have a regular Cam game this time? Also, how smart do I look with my "Texans in the Super Bowl" prediction? 532. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.13.2013 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Cjs you are spot on, Johnson would take a 15th now and run. He is as close to a certainty in Nascar the following week at Martinsville where the worst he can do is fourth. And while Kenseth could score a top5 there he will probably need to finish second to Johnson to keep him in sight, assuming they score roughly the same number of points at Talladega. I hope they either both avoid the wreck or else both of them have crash damage as I want to see the 2 teams go head to head all the way to Homestead like 2011. I think the weak link in Johnson's chain could be the desert mile. He ran well in the spring, but then he did so last year as well and was slow in November. You can tell he is nervous as he ran the nationwide race in spring and I wonder if he will do the same thing again when we return. Hendrick are using theie 2 remaining tests at Texas and Homestead so he should be a force at both. It is the desert mile where he may struggle. 533. The Long Shot posted: 10.13.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) The DSFF vs. Paul/Long Shot Bowl is nearly over, thank god. This has been an absolutely horrifically played game for the Vikings. If that wasn't enough, the team's defense has been obliterated by injuries (Xavier Rhodes, Harrison Smith, Desmond Bishop all out with injuries). EXTREMELY Bold Prediction: The Vikings will sign Brett Favre to play QB at some point during the remainder of this season. That's how desperate they are for a franchise QB. Ponder's time with the team is done, Cassel will be on the bench within the next week, and while I like some of Freeman's physical attributes, he doesn't have the mental capabilities to lead teams and make tough decisions. 534. DB1995 posted: 10.13.2013 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I didnt watch the race last night (i went to Volunteer Speedway, much better by the way), and i was shocked when my brother texted me and said Brad won with Kenseth ahead of Johnson. 535. jabber1990 posted: 10.13.2013 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I don't understand the whole thing about laying low and moving forward at the 400 mile mark I would think it would increase your odds of getting into a wreck, if you are leading nobody can take you out and the odds of not getting into a wreck are better. when was the last time you heard about the top 3 getting wiped out in a wreck? yes, I know what happened last year during the fall Talladega race, but that only proves my point. Kenseth (the leader the moment tony went around) as well as Brad and Kyle were the only survivors, but again that proves my point, plus what are the odds of that happening again and yes, I do know what happened during the Nationwide race during the Spring Daytona race in 2012, which only proves my point again with 'what are the odds" the top 7 cars all crashed doing the same thing that you'll see back in the pack. 536. jabber1990 posted: 10.13.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) the most interesting thing about plate races is there are 35-43 different ways to do it and each and every one of them are correct. all the wrecks are the result of racing OR the result of driver A doing something that contradicts what Driver B is doing. sadly the rest of the field gets wiped out example: Talladega last year, Tony (being the champion he is) was trying one thing, Mikey was trying something else (and it was working well, for being a crappy driver he had a very good move which proves my "everyone is right" theory) so Tony was all "hell no" and blocked Mikey so it took out the entire field. another thing that proves my point is how Tony said "sorry" 537. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.13.2013 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I don't understand the whole thing about laying low and moving forward at the 400 mile mark I would think it would increase your odds of getting into a wreck, if you are leading nobody can take you out and the odds of not getting into a wreck are better. when was the last time you heard about the top 3 getting wiped out in a wreck?" I think the point is that it's a lot easier to hang back than it is to stay in front of everyone the whole race given the pack dynamic. You can certainly try to run in the top 5 or 10 the whole race, but unless you have Danica Patrick's Daytona 500 car, that's going to be hard to do. Cam Newton is a very good quarterback, but I have a feeling he'll suddenly turn into an all-world quarterback the second he leaves the Panthers, that's just their luck. As of now, his nickname should be "75 Cents". 538. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jabber1990, you said when Matt won that race at Talladega last fall that Brad Keselowski and Kyle Busch were the only other survivors. That's an incorrect statement, because Jeff Gordon actually got through that final crash to finish second behind Matt, with Kyle finishing third. Brad was actually in that wreck, but got far less damage than many of the other cars involved, and wound up limping across the finish line to finish seventh. And one thing that could be interesting at Martinsville is how Denny Hamlin will factor in, because he should be a serious threat to win, and if he does, he would take points away from Jimmie Johnson, so I think that Denny Hamlin will try to assist his teammates by racing Johnson, Gordon, and Kevin Harvick, each of whom are very good at Martinsville, very hard to try to take points away from them, which will in turn help his own teammates, particularly Kenseth, who has a very poor track record there. So Denny Hamlin's going to try harder than usual to win there. I also remember Hamlin's comments about Johnson having a "lay up" win with him (Hamlin) not being in the field. But with Hamlin being there, I expect him to try as hard as he can to beat Johnson to take those extra points for winning away from him, which would help his own teammates. That's something to watch for at Martinsville. 539. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.13.2013 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Cjs your point about Hamlin is valid as I was thinking the same thing. I would not be surprised to see Hamlin "fall back" in the final 50 laps if he is not leading so as not to take points off Kenseth. Kenseth has a poor record at martinsville due to Roush equipment being so poor on the short and flat tracks. He was strong in the spring and won Loudon because he is now with Gibbs who have been flat track masters due to Hamlin's presence.I personally tink Kenseth will finish 3-7 but that will lead to him losing his points advantage as Johnson should score 48 points. 540. 18fan posted: 10.13.2013 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle is better at Martinsville than Harvick and really everybody else that's not Johnson, Gordon, Hamlin, and maybe Bowyer and Junior. 541. 18fan posted: 10.13.2013 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) That was a response to cjs's feeling about Denny Hamlin, although we know he won't race his teammates hard. I just don't get the feeling of Harvick being one of the guys to beat at Martinsville. 542. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.13.2013 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think Kenseth will need to score top 5s not top 10s to win the championship. It could be like 2007 Gordon kept scoring top 10s but that was not good enough and Gordon had a slightly bigger lead. With Johnson being the favourite for Talladega he could score a top 5 at every remaining race. I think only Harvick out of the front runners will lie back for the first 3 quarters of the race. Johnson should be targeting the point for leading the most laps at Talladega. Also does anyone else find it weird that the nationwide series has 2 weeks off 543. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.13.2013 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Looks like Manning has the mvp locked up after 6 games, at least have the opponents 12 weeks to come up with plans to stop his power offense. Also I have posted a sort of power rankings where we stand in the chase blog. 544. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.13.2013 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I was able to somehow make it through the race last night, but didn't get a chance to comment until now. So now my take on last night For about the first 100 laps it wasn't too bad a race, there was a fair amount of lead changes and action and it was watchable, but after that it settled into the sadly familiar pattern we see at Charlotte nowadays. Laps 100 to about 300 was one of the most insufferable stretches of racing I have ever seen. After Jacque Debris showed up we were finally able to see some good action between Brad and Kasey, with Kasey once again coming out on the losing end of a duel. While I hated that late caution in principle(as others have said), with the 48 leading and as miserable as that race had been I guess I can forgive this one. It was a tale of 3 races for me. Great effort by Matt to keep the points lead, it looked he was going to lose a lot to Jimmie for quite a while, but he perseveres to maintain his slim advantage. 545. Eric posted: 10.13.2013 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kubica fan Ireland, The there is one thing that can stop Peyton Manning and that is the Denver weather. The fact is Peyton Manning doesn't have the arm as he used to. I am mentioning this because what the weather can be like in November or December. 546. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "The there is one thing that can stop Peyton Manning and that is the Denver weather." Exactly. Remember how uncomfortable he looked in that 10 degree weather against Baltimore? Winning so much and getting home field advantage is a bad thing for him. He is a bad playoff QB anyways. 547. The Sound posted: 10.13.2013 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I have this terrible feeling that either Johnson or Kenseth will escape the Big One at Talladega while the other wrecks, thus essentially assuring themselves the title barring trouble in the last 4. 548. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2013 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Eric, Peyton Manning's never had that strong of an arm, which is one reason why he's always struggled in colder conditions. His greatest strength has always been between his ears. The one Super Bowl he won was a perfect example of that. He spotted a weakness in the Bears' run defense and exploited it in the second half of that game, which by the way, was played in a driving rain. But what happened last year, in terms of the weather, was more than likely a fluke event. It almost never gets that cold in Denver. You're just as likely to get a 60+ degree day there for a playoff game as you will another day of near-zero degree temperatures. Wind and snow, which can be a problem there, is another thing entirely, but near-zero degree temperatures was definitely unexpected for there. 549. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "EXTREMELY Bold Prediction: The Vikings will sign Brett Favre to play QB at some point during the remainder of this season" Oh God no! (I'm not disagreeing that this is a possibility, especially if Favre were given the chance to step back in the spotlight, I just really really REALLY never wanna see him on the field again) 550. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Epic Fail by Brady. First play of what could have been a heroic game winning drive, he threw a Favre on the first play, a deep floating bomb into double coverage. 551. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) May have spoke too soon. 552. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Yep spoke too soon. 553. 18fan posted: 10.13.2013 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) I hate Brady with a burning passion. 554. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Me too 18Fan. That was an epic fail by DSFF. 555. 18fan posted: 10.13.2013 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Once the Saints punted, both of my parents said that Brady was going to drive down the field and win and of course he did. 556. Ched Little posted: 10.13.2013 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Chiefs are undefeated! Can't wait for Denver to fly into town in 3 weeks. 557. 18fan posted: 10.13.2013 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Martinsville is the biggest challenge for Matt Kenseth for me, more than Talladega. Knowing that there is a good chance the 48 will win the pole, lead the most laps, and win, it's imperative that Kenseth stays close there. Of course if he loses a bunch of points at Talladega we can start writing JJ's name on the trophy. 558. JG24FanForever posted: 10.13.2013 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Gordon stats for this race: 24th career 7th place finish. 364th Top 7 finish. 389th Top 8 finish, a new Modern record, breaking his tie with Mark Martin. 430th Top 10 finish, in Jimmie Johnson's 430th career start. Charlotte becomes the tenth different track that Gordon has at least 20 Top 8 finishes. 559. joey2448 posted: 10.13.2013 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) That was tough hearing about the Pats coming back to win (my damn local FOX affiliate decided to show the Cards-49ers game!), especially since I picked the Saints to win in my office pool. I just have a lot more respect for Drew Brees as a quarterback, although I will admit Brady is a great QB too (just not as much as BSPN says he is; they act like he is the second coming of Jesus Christ). 560. The Long Shot posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I just have a lot more respect for Drew Brees as a quarterback, although I will admit Brady is a great QB too (just not as much as BSPN says he is; they act like he is the second coming of Jesus Christ)." Here's the thing about Brady: he is no doubt one of the 10 best quarterbacks of all time (3 Super Bowl rings is nothing to sneeze at), but he relies a lot on the team that the Pats have built around him. He doesn't need great receivers to succeed (case in point: Deion Branch), but if not for the Pats' stalwart o-line, Brady would definitely not be at the level he is now. 561. David posted: 10.13.2013 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Here's the thing about Brady: he is no doubt one of the 10 best quarterbacks of all time (3 Super Bowl rings is nothing to sneeze at), but he relies a lot on the team that the Pats have built around him. He doesn't need great receivers to succeed (case in point: Deion Branch), but if not for the Pats' stalwart o-line, Brady would definitely not be at the level he is now." Kind of like Jimmie Johnson, right? :) 562. David posted: 10.13.2013 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Open Letter to Jim Leyland: Dear Mr. Leyland, How did taking Max Scherzer out of the game work out for you? Sincerely, An Observer 563. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) He did it because of pitch count, David, as they all do today. But Tom Lasorda said something during an interview he did during the Dodgers-Braves series that really can't be overestimated. Lasorda said that you can't manage games in the post-season the same way you do in the regular season. He said that you had to manage each game as if you had to win it, instead of looking ahead to future games, especially in this case, because the pitcher may not get another start in the series. Scherzer's not going to get another start in this series if it ends in five games, and the Tigers could have really put the Red Sox on the ropes, and in danger of being swept had they taken a 2-0 lead with Verlander waiting in the wings in Game 3 in Detroit. But Pittsburgh Pirates fans know this feeling where Leyland's concerned, because Leyland did this exact same thing in Game 7 of the 1992 NLCS when he was there, and got beat. But this kind of thing is done all the time, and it's basically because of pitch count, but games in the post-season can not be managed the same way regular season games are. 564. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ah, Game 7 of the NLCS, that still makes this Braves fan smile. I still remember watching it with Dad, damn sure we were done. Then a complete unknown gets the big hit, David Justice scores to tie it, then Sid Bream, who would finish 3rd if he ever got in a foot race with a pregnant woman, rounds third. He should have been toast, but the Pirates' left fielder, a guy named Barry Bonds, gave a half assed throw, and Sid barely beat it. 565. 18fan posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) That game is also the game that began 20 years of futility for the Pirates, mainly when they lost ace Doug Drabek and Barry Bonds to free agency, plus they traded reliever Stan Belinda (who gave up the hit to Francisco Cabrera). Also, Scherzer said after the game that he was done after the 7th, so that influenced Leyland's decision. But then he turned into Sparky Anderson and started using his entire bullpen and none of his relievers were effective in the 8th inning. 566. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Here's the thing about Brady: he is no doubt one of the 10 best quarterbacks of all time (3 Super Bowl rings is nothing to sneeze at), but he relies a lot on the team that the Pats have built around him. He doesn't need great receivers to succeed (case in point: Deion Branch), but if not for the Pats' stalwart o-line, Brady would definitely not be at the level he is now." Tom Brady's my least favorite player in the NFL, but I have to disagree with this. The Patriots have have succeeded over more than a decade and throughout the whole time, they've let star receivers and linemen go, replaced them with no-names, and suffered no dropoff. Wes Welker was a Dolphins reject before he was the best slot receiver in the league. Julian Edelman was a mediocre Mid-American Conference quarterback before he took Welker's spot. Danny Amendola was an undrafted free agent who's been dropped by 3 teams. Sebastian Vollmer is a starting tackle now and he didn't play football until he was 14. Starting guard Dan Connolly couldn't even crack the first team in the Ohio Valley Conference. It seemingly doesn't matter who he throws to or who is blocking for him, he succeeds. I don't like the guy at all but he's a great quarterback. 567. Spen posted: 10.14.2013 - 8:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Random stat of the day: this is the 20th win, and 100th top 5 for a driver from Michigan. 568. 12345Dude posted: 10.14.2013 - 9:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) The thing about Brady and why he hasn't has success since the video taping scandal, is because what good players has he has on his team since then? The patriots have given him no one. Especially on the defensive side. Football is a team sport. Anyone good they get (Woodhead, Welker) they won't re-sign. (And Welker signed a very cheap deal with the Broncos that the Patriots should be matched at least.) I mean look at Patriots 5-1. And who do they have on their team that's 1. Good 2. Healthy That's why Brady is not overrated at all. The reason why Payton Manning is one of the best even with only one superbowl is his mind. He probably is the smartest player in the history of the NFL. He has single handily changed how quarterbacks play the game. That's why he is one of the best. Also it's obvious that Payton can't play in cold weather. But don't forget where the super bowl is this year. Also the Bills still suck. 569. The Long Shot posted: 10.14.2013 - 9:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) NLA, I said before that Brady doesn't need great receivers to succeed (and like you said, he's made a number of receivers into stars, such as Wes Welker), but I have to disagree with you about the o-line being in-experienced. Sebastian Vollmer was a second round draft pick in 2009 and was named to the All-Pro Team in his 2nd season. Dan Connolly didn't make a start for the team until 2010, but he's since been a fairly effective swing tackle for the Pats. No offense intended, NLA, but by your logic, the Rams would have won the Super Bowl in 1999 with Trent Green instead of Kurt Warner because Warner was out of the NFL for 5 seasons to start his career. 570. 12345Dude posted: 10.14.2013 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Maybe I was a little harsh on the Patriots talent. Long shot the Patriots rank 20th in offensive line production. So it isn't that great http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2 But it's not as bad as I thought it was. 571. The Long Shot posted: 10.14.2013 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Long shot the Patriots rank 20th in offensive line production. So it isn't that great But it's not as bad as I thought it was." This year, yes, they've been fairly middling, but if you look back in history, they've generally been in the top 10, if not the top 5, in least sacks allowed. The Patriots o-line over the last 10 years has been one of the most consistently stellar offensive lines in NFL history. 572. Baker posted: 10.14.2013 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Was Kyle Larson running respectable before the blown engine? 573. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Brian Vickers out for the rest of the year due to blood clots. Blod Prediction: David Reutimann returns to his old ride (and subsequently 83andJoe becomes 55andJoe), the Aaron's Dream Machine, for the last 4 races of the year after Michael Waltrip drives the car himself at Talladega. Probably won't happen, but I've got a feeling. 574. Woodbridge posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Think we might see a JGR - MWR cross-development move to fill the 55's seat the last four races? Parker Kligerman anyone? Or maybe a proven veteran in Elliott Sadler? 575. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) With Vickers out for the season, I wonder what happens to the #20 NNS car? With Busch in the #54 for the final 3 NNS races and Kenseth scheduled for to run the #18 GameStop car the rest of the season, maybe Gibbs can put Hamlin in the #20 and run all 3 of their cup drivers in the Nationwide series! *barf* I can see the press release from Joe Gibbs Racing now "Although this has ended the #20 team's quest for a driver's championship, they are still in contention for a top five position in the Owner's Championship standings and we're going to work hard to make that a possibility". "Was Kyle Larson running respectable before the blown engine?" Yes, he was running much better than I expected. He was 12th-18th place all night before his engine let go. 576. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Something I learned today, Johnson fans are just as conspiratorial as Johnson haters...Apparently, NASCAR wants a Toyota to win the championship and NASCAR allowed Gordon to restart in the wrong position to screw Johnson. 577. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "With Vickers out for the season, I wonder what happens to the #20 NNS car? With Busch in the #54 for the final 3 NNS races and Kenseth scheduled for to run the #18 GameStop car the rest of the season, maybe Gibbs can put Hamlin in the #20 and run all 3 of their cup drivers in the Nationwide series! *barf*" Considering the final 3 races are Truck/Nationwide/Cup companion races, I feel pretty confident in saying that Bubba Wallace will drive the #20 Dollar General Toyota in Nationwide for the rest of the year. 578. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's also being reported that earlier today, Michael Waltrip told MWR employees that they will only field 2 cars next year. Unless NAPA decides to go with Truex to Gibbs or some other place (which is looking increasingly unlikely, but not yet out of the realm of possibility) it looks like Truex could end up in the #78 Furniture Row Chevy. Not trying to take anything away from Truex, but FRR probably should prepare to have an underwhelming season compared to this year because Truex simply is not at the same level as Kurt Busch. 579. Eric posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) If I am Vickers, I would consider retiring from being a driver in NASCAR. I am saying this because of Red Byron. Red Byron's driving career ended because of health problems caused by his world war 2 injuries. Red had a rebuilt leg caused by his Would War 2 injuries. The way it sounded with Red's health problems that caused him to retire from being a driver in NASCAR with them being blood clots. While the medical field is more advice since the World War 2 to 1950's era, Blood clots in Vickers field of work is capable happening again. Remember the amount of miles Vickers is racing in a race weekend isn't helping him at all with his Nationwide and cup races on the same weekend. 580. David posted: 10.14.2013 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Something I learned today, Johnson fans are just as conspiratorial as Johnson haters...Apparently, NASCAR wants a Toyota to win the championship and NASCAR allowed Gordon to restart in the wrong position to screw Johnson." Suddenly, they've forgotten which line determines the order off pit road (the white line). Out of curiosity, where did you find this? Twitter? 581. Baker posted: 10.14.2013 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) This is Vickers second round with this issue. He should consider his safety and call it a career. If that does happen couldn't MWR just move Truex to the 55? 582. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.14.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Wow, so somebody decided to go through and give EVERY comment in this thread a thumbs down? Some loser has too much time on their hands. 583. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Out of curiosity, where did you find this? Twitter?" Yep. Someone asked Bob Pockrass on Twitter about the pit exit line and after he answered she still wouldn't accept it. Then I clicked through to her profile to see what else she has posted and this when I saw the thing about Twitter. Of course, hothead me couldn't resist leaving her a sarcastic comment. 584. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "this when I saw the thing about Twitter" Should be "that's when I saw the thing about Toyota." 585. Paul posted: 10.14.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) MWR says that Brian Vickers should be healthy enough to compete in time for next season. Considering that this is his second blood clot-related ailment in just over three years, I'm a bit worried about his health and his future in this sport. MWR also says that the #56 car will become a part-time MWR entry in 2014, most likely serving as Michael Waltrip's car for the four restrictor plate races. As for the #20 JGR Nationwide car, I think Bubba Wallace would be their best bet as the driver for the final three races. He's run well in that car in the past, plus he's got a past working relationship with Dollar General, the primary sponsor of the #20 car. And on top of that, he's pretty much being groomed for a full-time Nationwide schedule for the 2015 season. Makes perfect sense to me. Also in NASCAR news, Kevin Harvick will be driving the #5 JR Motorsports car in the Nationwide Series for a minimum of 12 races next season. No word on who he will split time in that car with, or who will be driving the #33 RCR Nationwide car. 586. 83andJoe posted: 10.14.2013 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) >Bold Prediction: David Reutimann returns to his old ride (and subsequently 83andJoe becomes 55andJoe) I think I'll give up and be "Reut-and-Joe" or some such at Reutimann's next ride change! 587. murb posted: 10.14.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I hope Brian Vickers gets well. But if I was him, I think I would definitely think about hanging it up. He really doesn't have anymore to prove anyway. He came back and earned that win at New Hampshire. I wouldn't risk my health to chase Michael Waltrip's "future Cup champion" fantasy that isn't going to happen. Brian should just let the New Hampshire win be his career moment and call it right now so he can focus on his health. As for Truex, I really hope he ends up in the 78. Yeah, he's not as talented as Kurt Busch, but if it happens this will be his first time driving for a team that doesn't have a bunch of distractions and/or an incompetent team owner. I think he could contend for a Chase spot in that car if RCR still supports them as much as they did this year. And as for who will replace Vickers in his missed races, as much as I want it to be Kligerman or someone like that, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the clown team owner come back and try to run the rest of the season. Michael Waltrip will never pass up an opportunity to be in the spotlight, and that's exactly what this situation would be for him. Hopefully I'm wrong though and Kligerman or even Reutimann gets to run the 55. I also want to say get well to Steve Byrnes. It appears that his medical leave of absence is because he has cancer. You never want to see that. I hope he can fight it off. 588. BON GORDON posted: 10.14.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I hope for a full speedy recovery for Brian Vickers. 589. Daniel posted: 10.14.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) Mark Martin will go to the 55 for this week and the rest of the season and the 14 will have Austin Dillon in at Martinsville and Kyle Larson in at the remaining 3 races 590. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.14.2013 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "I also want to say get well to Steve Byrnes. It appears that his medical leave of absence is because he has cancer. You never want to see that. I hope he can fight it off." Oh my, that's awful to hear. It seems that in today's world so many people suffer from cancer. I really hope he can go through the proper treatments to return to his job on television. 591. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.14.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 491. Tim James posted: What is the best track? I'll drive to Chicago, Kansas, Pocono, even Miami-Homestead. This may be biased, but I'd recommend Kansas. You can take just about anything into the stands! Driving through Illinois can be terrible from everything I've heard and seen. Can't say about Pocono. Homestead might put on a good show also. 592. The Long Shot posted: 10.14.2013 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) My sympathies go out to Brian Vickers and his family. My dad was diagnosed with coronary artery disease in 2011 after doctors discovered that one of his main arteries was almost completely clogged. Luckily they caught the disease in its early stages, so he's fine now, but it was definitely stressful for us when he first caught it. 593. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.14.2013 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 572. Baker posted: Was Kyle Larson running respectable before the blown engine? ^ Actually, he was up to 11th and readying to makes some moves on tenth place. 594. murb posted: 10.14.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) MWR officially announced it. The 15 and 55 will be their only full time entries, and they will run a third full R&D entry in select races. Scott Miller will also stay as the full time crew chief for the 55 car. And Truex is now free to look at other opportunities, so it's now pretty much official that he won't be back with them next year. Like I said, I hope Martin can end up with the Furniture Row team. I just think it would be a really good fit. He would be the entire focus of that organization. And combining that with their fast cars (assuming RCR doesn't scale back their involvement with them because of the additional Germain satellite team), I think it would produce good results. 595. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.14.2013 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Predictions for Talladega: Scenario 1 Johnson Wins at Talladega. Large wreck when the feild comes around with three laps to go will collect Matt Kenseth, who led most of the laps that day. He'll be able to limp his car around to finish the race, but will drop to at least 4th in the standings. Gordon will be caught up in a small-to-medium sized 'Big one' just before the race's midway point. Harvick will pull through with a top 10 run, but will lose points on Johnson. Kyle Busch struggles all day, and finishes around 12th. Danica contends all day long until a pit road err on the next-to-last round of stops drops her in the back. She'll avoid the big one, but will finish close to the rear of the feild. Dale Jr will end up finishing 3rd, trying to block for Johnson under some sort of team orders or mutual respect. Ryan Newman will lead some laps early, but will end up loosing the draft and finishes X number of laps down. Kurt Busch will drive his ass off to a solid top 7 finish. KC Khane is a non-factor and takes damage in the late race big one that makes him drop off the feild's pace on the final restart. - - - - -- Talladega Scenario 2 Johnson scores a finish roughly about 15th, but looses points because... ...Kenseth avoids a late race big wreck heading as the feild comes around for three-to-go. He drops a bit on the GWC, but finishes top 7-esque afer leading the most laps. Gordon gets caught up in a Small-to-medium sized 'Big One' that takes him out of the race and championship battle. Harvick gets caught up in the 'Big One' along with Kyle Busch. Both lose considerably large amounts of points, and realistaclly drop out of Championship hopes. Danica leads a bunch of laps and ends up with a solid 5th place finish. Dale Jr tries desperately to keep him from gaining points on teammate Johnson via Team Orders or teammate respect, but it dosen't stop... ...Kurt Busch from taking the victory on the final lap as he surmounts an insane charge through turn 3. He runs away from the feild going into the tri-oval. Newman spins through the grass early, damages the front splitter beyond repair, and drops out of the race. KC Khane is a non-factor and ends up dropping off the pace of the feild on the restart because of damage taken in the late race Big One. ------------- Those are my two Talladega predictions. If Scenario #1 happens, Johnson walks away with the championship if nothing ridiculous happens viva Homestead 2005/2012 or Texas 2009. If Scenario #2 Happens, Kenseth will be able to win the championship despite Johnson and crew pulling off insanely good runs at Martinsville, Texas, and Homestead because Johnson will have another err of some sort at Phoneix. I'm hoping for event #1 obviously. If Johnson can win This championship and one more, I'd be so d@nm happy. I also think this is most likely to happen. What about you guys? You see either of these scenarios as plausible? 596. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Johnson Wins at Talladega." This won't happen because I'll be at the race and I'm not saying I'm his bad luck charm, but you've never seen me and Jimmie Johnson's bad luck charm in the same place. 597. 83andJoe posted: 10.14.2013 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) >Mark Martin will go to the 55 for this week and the rest of the season and the 14 will have Austin Dillon in at Martinsville and Kyle Larson in at the remaining 3 races lolnope, especially seeing as Mikey is in the 55 this weekend and was, in fact, going to be in it all along. We do have a lovely parting gift for you though... 598. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ^^^Not to mention Mark Martin would never race at Talladega unless he was competing for the championship. Also, 83andJoe, do you remember a race where Ryan Newman wrecked after making contact with David Reutimann and afterwards he said something like "I see why they call him Reutimann because he'll root a man right out of the way"? I think it was a Daytona Duel, but I'm not 100% certain and I don't remember the year. 599. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.14.2013 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I swear Bob Pockrass has answered the same question about the pit exit line about 4 or 5 times on Twitter today and most of the Jimmie Johnson simply won't accept it. 600. startandparkfan posted: 10.14.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) These are my ride predictions for next year. Ones with stars are changed. *07 Robby Gordon makes a road course return. 1 Jamie McMurray 2 Brad Keselowski *3 Austin Dillon *4 Kevin Harvick 5 Kasey Kahne *7 Dave Blaney and Jeff Burton split this ride. 9 Marcos Ambrose 10 Danica Patrick 11 Denny Hamlin 12 possibly Sam Hornish Jr in a few races. 13 Casey Mears 14 Tony Stewart 15 Clint Bowyer 16 Greg Biffle 17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr 18 Kyle Busch *19 Mike Bliss, and maybe Cole Whitt for a few. 20 Matt Kenseth 21 Trevor Bayne 22 Joey Logano 24 Jeff Gordon 27 Paul Menard *30 Cole Whitt and Kevin Swindell split. *31 Ryan Newman *32 Timmy Hill full time. *33 mostly Landon Cassil, wouldn't be suprised to see Ty Dillon in for 1 or 2. 34 David Ragan 35 Josh Wise 36 J.J. Yeley *37 part time TBR team, maybe Dave or even Ryan Blaney when Burton is in the 7. 38 David Gilliland *41 Kurt Busch *42 Kyle Larson 43 Aric Almirola *47 A.J. Allmendinger full time. 48 Jimmie Johnson *51 Justin Allgaier 52 multiple drivers *55 Brian Vickers full time, if everything goes well, which I hope it will. *56 Waltrip at the SuperSpeedways, Burton in 10-15 races. *67 Bobby Labonte for a few races, #67 because we could use some 60s. *78 Martin Truex Jr 83 David Reutimann *81 Ryan Truex, 'cause why not? 4th JGR team, limited schedule. 87 Joe Nemechek 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. *93 Mark Martin, Bobby Labonte split, Juan Montoya at road courses. 95 Reed Sorenson, maybe McDowell for a few. 98 Michael McDowell 99 Carl Edwards Travis Kvapil out of a ride due to arrest. Might be forgetting some, let me know if I am ! 601. The Long Shot posted: 10.14.2013 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Also, 83andJoe, do you remember a race where Ryan Newman wrecked after making contact with David Reutimann and afterwards he said something like "I see why they call him Reutimann because he'll root a man right out of the way"? I think it was a Daytona Duel, but I'm not 100% certain and I don't remember the year." 2009 Gatorade Duel #2. Newman checked up on the backstretch and Reutimann turned him head-on into the outside wall. I remember because that was the year that I first really started to follow NASCAR (after following it semi-regularly in 2008). 602. cjs3872 posted: 10.14.2013 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @593, Kyle Larson was actually running 16th, one lap behind the leaders when his engine failed. Nonetheless, that was a very good effort before he dropped out, especially considering the team he was driving for. And as for the whole Brian Vickers situation, I said it last week. Everywhere he goes, either he's cursed or his team's cursed. And I think it's time for him to retire before he risks killing himself or someone else due to his illness, which I believe this is. 603. 83andJoe posted: 10.14.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Talladega entry list is out. 44 cars: -Hornish in the 12 -Austin Dillon in the 14 -Bayne in the 21 -Whitt in the 30 -Terry Labonte in the 32 -Cassill in the 33, Raines in the 40 -Bobby Labonte in the 47 -Allgaier in the 51 -Mikey in the 55 604. 83andJoe posted: 10.14.2013 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also, Timmy Hill and Parker Kligerman are entered in the Truck race. 605. MStall41 posted: 10.14.2013 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm very curious to hear what CJS thinks about NASCAR considering wicker bills for the 2014 aero package. 606. DRF posted: 10.14.2013 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) WHY is TBR satisfied with Blaney and Yeley???? 607. cjs3872 posted: 10.14.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Why would they not be, DRF? TBR's not trying to race competitively, except for the plate tracks, because they know they can't. 30th-33rd is about the best they can hope for unless there's a high rate of attrition that doesn't include one of their cars. But as long as they're making races, I don't see a reason why TBR wouldn't be pleased. ranted, J.J. Yeley's crash was a little disappointing for them because they can't afford any torn up cars or mechanical failures, but as long as they're making races, they have nothing to be upset about. In fact, I don't think either car is sponsored for very many races, so all they've been trying to do is to run slow enough to finish, but fast enough to meet the minimum speed requirement. There's a number of other teams in that same situation, such as the 30, 32, 33 (when Joe Falk's running it), 40, and 87 cars. Those teams are trying to run the full races without much money at all, and both the 7 and 36 (the TBR cars) are in that same situation. 608. Jim Davis posted: 10.14.2013 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "WHY is TBR satisfied with Blaney and Yeley????" Because Blaney and Yeley have modest salary demands. This is important to Baldwin. 609. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.14.2013 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think it'd be cool to see Ryan Truex in the 55 car for the last few races. 610. Scott. B posted: 10.14.2013 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I would think the two most likely scenarios for the 55 are A. Mikey finishes out the season himself, or B. Bobby Labonte in the 55, Dinger in the 47, and Allgaier in the 51 for the remainder of the year. But that would depend on if Bobby has any races left with Bush's or his other sponsors in the 47, I haven't researched that. Someone like Landon Cassill could do a nice job filling in if given the chance, though. 611. murb posted: 10.14.2013 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I think it'd be cool to see Ryan Truex in the 55 car for the last few races." It would be cool, but he's got a development deal with Richard Petty Motorsports, so I highly doubt it could happen. 612. Scott. B posted: 10.15.2013 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) With 44 entries (if no teams withdraw) Dega will end a streak of 5 straight Cup races with exactly 43 entries. The most recent DNQ was the 19 team with Mike Bliss at Richmond. 613. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sadly, RSCS and ALMS GT racing ace and Porsche SuperCup leader passed away this morning in a violent wreck during a test session at Queensland Raceway. 614. David posted: 10.15.2013 - 8:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Oh, how horrible. My condolences to the family of Sean Edwards. This racing season can't end soon enough. 615. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.15.2013 - 8:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow! I missed the Sean Edwards in that comment! Sadly, RSCS and ALMS GT racing ace and Porsche SuperCup leader Sean Edwards passed away this morning in a violent wreck during a test session at Queensland Raceway. 616. The Long Shot posted: 10.15.2013 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) R.I.P. Sean Edwards. My condolences to his family. 617. jabber1990 posted: 10.15.2013 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 2013 has been a terrible year for racing I would make a list, but i'd miss a lot and say incorrect facts 618. David posted: 10.15.2013 - 10:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Charlotte fans can't catch a break. Apparently, a pane of glass in a suite broke during the race, and six fans were injured. And the name of the fan who told ThatsRacin about it? Kevin Fox. Go figure. 619. jabber1990 posted: 10.15.2013 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) the 2014 Sprint Cup Schedule has been released don't view it 620. John Royal posted: 10.15.2013 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Nothing dramatic about the schedule or am I missing something here? 621. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.15.2013 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Hopefully now people will stop taking what Mike Mulhern writes seriously, I can't think of anything the guy's ever been right about and in the case of the 2014 schedule, he was very, very wrong. A couple of tracks swapping dates and a couple of tracks holding their races a week earlier is certainly NOT the wholesale schedule makeover he was "predicting." Mike Mulhern is no better than postulating random events in your head and then flipping a coin, heads it will happen and tails it won't. 622. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.15.2013 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) when do trucks and busch schedule come out, are the trucks adding anymore classic short tracks 623. murb posted: 10.15.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Hopefully now people will stop taking what Mike Mulhern writes seriously" Yeah. It also looks like his Rob Kaufmann/MWR split fantasy isn't going to happen either. 624. BON GORDON posted: 10.15.2013 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yea nothing special or much different about the new Sprint Cup schedule for next season. 625. 18fan posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Truck and Nationwide schedules are likely to come out later this week. 626. David posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "when do trucks and busch schedule come out, are the trucks adding anymore classic short tracks" As a matter of fact, the Trucks are returning to New Hampshire in 2014 after a two-year hiatus. 627. jabber1990 posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) when the ALMS and Grand-am Merge will the new series be sanctioned by NASCAR? 628. MStall41 posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) This race earned a 3.4 National Nielsen Rating, up 6% over 2012. It was the most watched and highest rated Bank of America 500 since 2009. This was the 4th race in a row to have Year-To-Year increases over 2012. So much for that Richmond scandal killing off the sports' fanbase...ratings have been sizeably up since that race. 629. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Yea nothing special or much different about the new Sprint Cup schedule for next season." I predict there will be some very noticeable changes to the 2015 schedule to coincide with the new TV deal. The thing that bothers me is that 2014 is looking like it may be a bit of a throw away year because so much will probably change after next year. Can anyone who has either been around longer or knows more than I do remember a year that was sort of like that. Maybe it won't happen, but I just feel like everyone (drivers, teams, TV personalities, and even fans) next year will be slugging through 2014 to get to 2015. 630. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Honestly, the next time I go to a race I hope I bump into Mike Mulhern because this I can just BS with him about the sport and it'll probably make into one of his articles..."sources tell me NASCAR is considering a switch to airplanes for it's Sprint Cup vehicles in 2015." 631. David posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Better yet, tell him that Riverside Raceway has been reconstructed and will head up the schedule in 2015. 632. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) jabber, almost all of the scheduling control was given to the IMSA. NASCAR just has a small vote in the schedule and holds the $$$. In fact, USCR will be officially an IMSA series. 633. Ched Little posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Guys, be realistic. We all know the 2014 headline Mike Mulhern will lead with. Erick Erickson, who turns 97 in November, will make his first Cup series start in 58 years at the 2014 Daytona 500. Yes, Erick Erickson is really alive, and he really is going to turn 97 in November. 634. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.15.2013 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I would think the two most likely scenarios for the 55 are A. Mikey finishes out the season himself, or B. Bobby Labonte in the 55, Dinger in the 47, and Allgaier in the 51 for the remainder of the year. But that would depend on if Bobby has any races left with Bush's or his other sponsors in the 47, I haven't researched that. Someone like Landon Cassill could do a nice job filling in if given the chance, though." Kyle Larson will drive the #51 at Martinsville, I don't know if Harry Scott has the driver schedule finalized beyond that. 635. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.15.2013 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Guys there has been talk of the trucks going back to the short tracks, back to their roots. I just want to know what short tracks are still in existence that could be added, I would add 5-7 short track races. Also apparently nascar wants to get the schedule back up to 25 races a year. 636. murb posted: 10.15.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Can anyone who has either been around longer or knows more than I do remember a year that was sort of like that." 2000? 2001 was obviously a year full of change, much like 2015 probably will be. So I guess if a "throwaway" year like you're talking about has existed already, I would probably have to go with 2000. And to clarify, I'm not saying that 2000 was a bad year. But as I've gone back and rewatched some races and programs from then, the vibe of the whole year just seemed kind of odd. It just sort of seemed like everyone knew that the sport was gonna be in for a lot of changes in the coming years. 637. murb posted: 10.15.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Guys there has been talk of the trucks going back to the short tracks, back to their roots. I just want to know what short tracks are still in existence that could be added, I would add 5-7 short track races. Also apparently nascar wants to get the schedule back up to 25 races a year." I'm not sure, but I would fully support the Truck Series going back to more short tracks. The only official thing that I've seen so far though about the Truck schedule next year is that they are making a return to Loudon after a two year hiatus. And I've also heard that they won't be returning to Rockingham, which really depresses me. But as for which short tracks would be good fits to the schedule, I honestly have no idea. I would be hyped for pretty much any short track though. 638. Daniel posted: 10.15.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) California Raisins will be the sponsor of the 18 car next year 639. Daniel posted: 10.15.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) They will be replacing m & m's for the month of October 640. Daniel posted: 10.15.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards will fall out of this year's chase because he tried getting another cat out of the tree and he will not come down until God tells him to come down out of there 641. David posted: 10.15.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "But as for which short tracks would be good fits to the schedule, I honestly have no idea. I would be hyped for pretty much any short track though." Greenville-Pickens was rumored last year, though I haven't heard anything about it since then. 642. Ched Little posted: 10.15.2013 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) I agree with NLA. Daniel's the troll. 643. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.15.2013 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well, for those predicting it/hoping it would happen, it doesn't look like Parker Kligerman will finish out the rest of season in the 55. He will, however, be making his Cup debut at Texas for Swan Racing. 644. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.15.2013 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) David that is one of the tracks I was thinking of, including Hickory. Could you list off maybe 5 that the truck series could return to as a lot of the short tracks that the truck series used to race at are closed down. Personally I would have 10-14 short track races out of 26-28 on the schedule with only Daytona, Charlotte in May Talladega and Homestead being weekends where the truck series competes alongside the other series. I would also add Lucas oil raceway, Nashville Milwaukwee (at least 8) oval tracks on the nationwide series that don't run cup. If the Buschwhackers were only to race every third week that would lead to cup regulars running 12 or so races which would be much more acceptable. 645. cjs3872 posted: 10.15.2013 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm not who else is watching the ALCS, but Game 3 between the Red Sox and Tigers in Detroit's Comerica Park has been stopped at the start of the bottom of the second inning due to a power outage, as most of the lights have gone out, go the game is now in a power outage delay, much like Super Bowl XLVII was. They're saying the delay might last as long as 20-30 minutes. 646. The Sound posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) So, my name's Daniel. Am I now a troll? 647. cjs3872 posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) By the way, the delay in that Red Sox/Tigers ALCS game in Detroit for the power outage was about 16 minutes. 648. Ched Little posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) The Sound/Daniel/Whatever-the-hell-kind-of-ugly-creature-you-are: look in your mirror and get back to me 649. 83andJoe posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) >I would also add Lucas oil raceway I repeat, for the umpteenth time: anything NASCAR (at least, anything above K&N) is not going to happen at LOR ever again unless NHRA sells the track, and since their Daytona 500 Super Bowl World Series takes place there that's not going to happen. Period. Can we take the repeated "let's go back to LOR" discussions, put a stake through its heart, put it in a garlic-infused-holy-water filled box and bury it under a crossroads please? That said, the CRA is racing at Memphis again this year, so that track's open again, maybe we should toss it back into the ring. 650. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Don't rule out the Erick Erickson deal. Harry Gant ran in the very first Indianapolis 500 in 1911, finishing 33rd after a mechanical failure and ran 3 of the next 4 Indy 500s with a best finish of 7th. 80 years later he was deep in his NASCAR career, winning 4 straight races in September plus the Winston 500 earlier in the year. Longevity in racing can be stunning. 651. Daniel posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Where I guess chasers finish in dega: 1gordon 43(ku)busch 37kenseth 33johnson 29(ky)busch 8harvick 16logano 3kahne 2bowyer 4newman 5edwards 6bifle 7earnhardt junior I don't care who they are thinking a troll is as far that goes. 652. Ched Little posted: 10.15.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Don't rule out the Erick Erickson deal. Harry Gant ran in the very first Indianapolis 500 in 1911, finishing 33rd after a mechanical failure and ran 3 of the next 4 Indy 500s with a best finish of 7th. 80 years later he was deep in his NASCAR career, winning 4 straight races in September plus the Winston 500 earlier in the year. Longevity in racing can be stunning. " Ha ha! Harry G(r)ant, you mean? 653. Sheriff Beaufort T. Justice posted: 10.15.2013 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Where I guess chasers finish in dega: 1gordon 43(ku)busch 37kenseth 33johnson 29(ky)busch 8harvick 16logano 3kahne 2bowyer 4newman 5edwards 6bifle 7earnhardt junior I don't care who they are thinking a troll is as far that goes. " Really, I mean really?! You really don't think we mean you, the only person in this comments section whose comments don't automatically get thumbed. I have some pretty solid evidence. I never find the posts thumbs-downed unless you have made a comment recently. I come in, and there's no thumbs; but once you've been in here, they are thumbs-downed. 654. David posted: 10.15.2013 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Can we take the repeated "let's go back to LOR" discussions, put a stake through its heart, put it in a garlic-infused-holy-water filled box and bury it under a crossroads please?" I agree; because next time, I'm sure 83andJoe won't want to rant about this for the 63,548,424,791,089,235th time. 655. The Sound posted: 10.15.2013 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I actually meant that as a dumb joke, friends. My name is actually Daniel, as I said, but no, I don't extract inane pleasure from thumbing down random comments, as you seem to be implying the other Daniel does. I just thought it was an unfortunate coincidence that I happened to share his name. For the record, I've never posted as someone else. You'll have to take me at my word, but there you go. That's one of the disadvantages of the current system, to be honest. Authenticated accounts, while a hassle, could be beneficial. 656. 12345Dude posted: 10.15.2013 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 83andJoe Why won't NASCAR go back to IRP? I don't understand. They had fine attendance. 657. AveryNH posted: 10.15.2013 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) .......because as 83andjoe said... the track is owned by the nhra, they refuse to make upgrades to it's safety..... so hence, no nascar. I'm glad to hear the trucks are coming back to Loudon, hopefully for the chase companion race. I always thought that worked well and made for a fine show. Tracks I'd love to see the trucks go to; Myrtle Beach, South Boston, Memphis, maybe even Miller Motorsports park out in Utah for another road course. The fields are short enough now that the size of the pits (which was why the halftime break used to exist) shouldn't be a huge issue. 658. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.15.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Why don't the trucks go to Richmond? Seems simple enough. I remember they also ran in Mansfield, OH a few years ago. It seemed like a decent track and they sold out the races there; small attendance I know but at least it looked good on TV. 659. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.15.2013 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Why don't the trucks go to Richmond? Seems simple enough. I remember they also ran in Mansfield, OH a few years ago. It seemed like a decent track and they sold out the races there; small attendance I know but at least it looked good on TV." The trucks used to put on great races at Richmond, unfortunately there's no way they could get a stand alone race there and a companion race would just be another pathetic installment of the Kyle Busch show, so I don't really want to see them race there. The track in Mansfield, Ohio is just a little over 10 miles from Mid-Ohio, I can't see Nascar having two races that close in proximity to each other even if held 6-8 months apart, one might affect the attendance of the other and vice versa. 660. 12345Dude posted: 10.15.2013 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Oh I had no idea that IRP wouldn't improve safety. That's the first I have heard of it. Wow, what stubborn and great people running that track. 661. 12345Dude posted: 10.15.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Is it a money issue, and that's why they won't improve the safety? 662. 12345Dude posted: 10.15.2013 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Because I can't understand why they wouldn't 663. startandparkfan posted: 10.15.2013 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Kligerman to debut in the #30 at Texas. 664. NoLongerAnonymous posted: 10.15.2013 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) If the Trucks are indeed looking to return to short tracks, here are the ones I wish they'd consider: 1. Hickory 2. South Boston 3. Evergreen 4. Irwindale 5. Nashville 6. Motor Mile 665. DB1995 posted: 10.15.2013 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I wih something NASCAR would come to Kingsport Speedway, great little track just a short distance from Bristol Motor Speedway. K&N would be fine to come here, but trucks could also work i think. 666. 83andJoe posted: 10.15.2013 - 9:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) >Because I can't understand why they wouldn't [improve safety at IRP/ORP/LOR/whatever it's called this year]. Because the NHRA, being a drag racing organisation, cares jack and all about the oval and isn't interested in spending a penny on it, I'd presume. 667. JRacingFast posted: 10.15.2013 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) NLA.....Irwindale is no longer open at least from what ive heard....Anther great track te trucks should look into going is eiter Elko raceway a short track just south of the "twin cites" in Minnesota- It hosts an ARCA race. Are go up to Brainerd International raceway a road course up in northern Minnesota- Which hosts a K@N west series race 668. 12345Dude posted: 10.15.2013 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) That's just beyond ignorant. Spend a little money and save a life or serious injuries. Right? Also re-reading those lasts few posts I made I didn't mean to say that not having enough money was justification for not having proper safety at a track. I just couldn't figure it out and maybe that's why they weren't improving it (even though that's no reason) 669. 12345Dude posted: 10.15.2013 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Here's an interesting stat, look at Kyle Busch's Chase finishes starting from Chicagoland from last year. 4th 28th 7th 3rd 5th 31st 2nd 3rd 3rd 4th 2nd 2nd 5th 34th 5th WOW! That's impressive. If Kyle could learn to not choke under pressure, he could really be something in the chase. 670. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.15.2013 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "If the Trucks are indeed looking to return to short tracks, here are the ones I wish they'd consider: 1. Hickory 2. South Boston 3. Evergreen 4. Irwindale 5. Nashville 6. Motor Mile" I agree. The chances of any NASCAR Series returning to Lucas Oil Raceway (formerly IRP) are NONE to none (which means it will NEVER happen). But it would be nice to see the Trucks return to some of the tracks that started their roots. Same with Nationwide as well. 671. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2013 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Detroit's Comerica Park has been stopped at the start of the bottom of the second inning due to a power outage, as most of the lights have gone out" Dude, Detroit is bankrupt, surprised they have any power at all and don't have to play all their games in daylight like Wrigley before 1988. 672. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2013 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Ha ha! Harry G(r)ant, you mean?" I don't know, Harry is stunningly ageless. He still looks EXACTLY like he did in '91. And '81. How do we know he isn't the real life Wolverine? Anyone remember him ever getting injured? Who's to say he didn't just drop the r in his name and embark on stock car racing after being in the initial Indy 500s? Maybe he faked his death in 1915 to go help America in WW1 then WW2 explaining his disappearance from 1915 (the year Harry Grant died) to Harry Gant's supposed birth in 1940. Damn, we need to make a movie about this. Guy with super healing powers, ageless, races in the first few Indy 500s (although in our story he'll win one and those races will be as epic as the last 3 Indy 500s, not the 8 hour marathons), gets called by the government and helps America win WW1 and WW2, then picks up stock car racing in the 1960s, doesn't get his break until his "late 30s" (more like 130s) and has Harry's feel good career culminating in his epic September 1991 tear. 673. 83andJoe posted: 10.15.2013 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) >Irwindale is no longer open at least from what ive heard Nope, it reopened this year, as "Irwindale Event Center". 674. DB1995 posted: 10.16.2013 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) will someone answer this question for me, why is it when i look at a driver from the X-1r pro cup series, say J.P. Morgan, under "rank" for that season, there are 2 different columns for rank?, this really bothers me everytime i look at it. 675. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.16.2013 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Holy shit, Colts owner Jim Irsay came out and admitted he is frustrated by the Manning era's playoff disappointments, lamenting that they only got one Super Bowl in 11 playoff trips, and brought up the 7 one and dones they had with Peyton (with him getting an 8th with Denver last year). He says that is why they made the organizational decision not to pass 45 times a game anymore. I think it is pretty cool for him to come right out and say it. Of course the useless John Fox defended Peyton saying they should be grateful for the one ring and being in the playoffs so much. As a Braves fan, I agree with Irsay. It is extremely frustrating to be in the playoffs over and over, and keep watching other teams winit all, and having a host of one and dones. 676. JG24shouldbe5time posted: 10.16.2013 - 12:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) #600: I like your predictions, but I can't see JPM and Robby Gordon coming back to NASCAR ever. I might be looking at everything wrong, but I think JPM is done with NASCAR after his unceremonious exit. As for Robby Gordon, it's been a few years and I think the guy is putting his $ and focus into Stadium Super Trucks. "Anther great track te trucks should look into going is eiter Elko raceway a short track just south of the "twin cites" in Minnesota- It hosts an ARCA race. Are go up to Brainerd International raceway a road course up in northern Minnesota- Which hosts a K@N west series race" I'd *LOVE* to see them go to either of those tracks, but it's questionable. Does Elko have the needed facilities and safety measures for the Truck Series? Seriously, I'm curious folks, not trying to be a smart alec. Elko is ARCA's smallest track and it is pretty dinky (3/8 mile oval. Not much for a garage area, not a lot of seating. It is a decent location as it's roughly 45 minutes from Minneapolis and accessible from I-35. Brainerd? Oh man, that would be great, but much as how LOR has focused on NHRA, so has Brainerd; that's THE draw and THE $ maker. Yes, BIR has other things, but they've really moved toward NHRA as their feature. It's sad, talk with the old-timey MN racing guys (all dozen or so of them, lol.) and ask about BIR and specifically Donnybrooke. Donnybrooke is the original course that once hosted the classic Trans Am series. It hosted USAC,Can-Am. It hosted World Super Bike...and now it's basically a drag racing strip attached to a road course. At least it's still there 677. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.16.2013 - 6:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) DSFF, what gets me is all the Manning and Broncos fans who think Peyton is the greatest quarterback ever. Everything has an excuse: I have seen the defense blamed, defensive injuries blamed, o-line injuries, WR injuries, etc. I have seen every position on the entire Broncos team get blamed for why Kansas City has destroyed every team the Broncos barely squeaked by, like the Jags and Cowboys, when the Chiefs have MORE holes in their team to fill. I've even seen people claim that Denver has had a tougher schedule when the toughest team they've played was Dallas, whom Peyton needed a massive miracle to beat. When will humanity finally realize that Peyton Manning may very well be the biggest choker in the history of Big 4 sports? Hell, even Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton played in more Super Bowls, and they didn't single-handedly lead the team to a loss. 678. The Long Shot posted: 10.16.2013 - 7:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) "When will humanity finally realize that Peyton Manning may very well be the biggest choker in the history of Big 4 sports?" When humanity forgets about Tony Romo. The fact that Denver beat Jacksonville by such a small margin last week was definitely in large part thanks to Manning's 3 turnovers, but in fairness, Denver's defense really is not very good. I think in large part, though, it had to do with mentality. Denver was treating the Jags like I would a small fly: easily crushable. They put barely any effort into winning that football game. If the Broncos had put more effort in, they could have put another 14-21 points on the board easily. The Jags, on the other hand, even though the odds were long, played as hard as they could, and they actually didn't do half bad (Justin Blackmon is going to be the next Randy Moss, in my opinion: an extremely talented receiver on the field, but a complete idiot off the field). The "lack of production", if you can call it that, by Denver has more to do with poor coaching and less to do with poor QB play. 679. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.16.2013 - 7:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) http://www.allleftturns.com/a-new-market-for-tin-foil-hats-in-nascar-nation/ I understand there was a lot of mystery surrounding the final caution flag, but this is an article every NASCAR fan needs to read. 680. 83andJoe posted: 10.16.2013 - 8:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) DB1995 - That's because Pro Cup uses a "split season"; they have a "main season" of races (that used to be in two divisions" and then a "championship series". 681. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.16.2013 - 9:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) The guy makes a good point, but he didn't need to sound like a two-year old in doing it. Also, Johnson dropped from 3rd to 7th on that last restart is what I'm told? Haven't we had the "wheel man" versus "wheel holder" discussion enough times already? 682. Paul posted: 10.16.2013 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) David Ragan and David Gilliland will both return to Front Row Motorsports in 2014. In addition to their top two drivers returning, FRM has also announced that several of their sponsors will be expanding their partnerships with the team next season as well. 683. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.16.2013 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) "The guy makes a good point, but he didn't need to sound like a two-year old in doing it." He probably acts like a two-year old because only a two-year old can rationally believe some of the things NASCAR fans (Johnson fans and Johnson haters, in particular) believe. "Also, Johnson dropped from 3rd to 7th on that last restart is what I'm told? Haven't we had the "wheel man" versus "wheel holder" discussion enough times already?" Bad restarts don't erase 65 wins and 5 championships. I don't care who your team owner is or what points system NASCAR uses, wheel holders don't rack up those kinds of stats. How could anyone rationally believe that? 684. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.16.2013 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "Bad restarts don't erase 65 wins and 5 championships. I don't care who your team owner is or what points system NASCAR uses, wheel holders don't rack up those kinds of stats. How could anyone rationally believe that? " Because of Sebastian Vettel and Sebastian Loeb, that's why. The two biggest series in the world are won purely on how fast the car is. Same is true in NASCAR. Long gone are the days of drivers who'd say "screw it" and run with a broken suspension system. 685. Anonymous posted: 10.16.2013 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "He probably acts like a two-year old because only a two-year old can rationally believe some of the things NASCAR fans (Johnson fans and Johnson haters, in particular) believe." Since we know you're the expert on two-year olds *rolls eyes* 686. AveryNH posted: 10.16.2013 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) Two years ago today we lost and incredible man and equally phenomenal race car driver, the one nicknamed lionheart, the eternal great, Dan Wheldon. May he continue to rest in peace. 687. Baker posted: 10.16.2013 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Denver does not have a bad defense. I am not here to argue for or against Manning or the Broncos simply stating facts. Denver has a top half or better defense. 688. 83andJoe posted: 10.16.2013 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) >David Ragan and David Gilliland will both return to Front Row Motorsports in 2014. No word on Josh Wise, I noticed... 689. cjs3872 posted: 10.16.2013 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) NicoRosbergFan, Johnson's falling from third to seventh on the final restart wasn't because he got a poor restart as much as it was the air being taken off his car by the cars behind him and on the outside, and when they put him in the middle, he had no choice but to drop back. But the restart itself wasn't that bad. But when you have cars all around you, even at the slightly slower speed of a restart, you're at the mercy of what the air does to the car, and Johnson got he short end of that. And Baker, the Denver Broncos do not have a bad defense. They have a horrible defense. The mere fact that Jacksonville scored 19 points shows that. They actually gave the Jaguars legitimate hope, as far as winning that game was concerned. And when you give up 48 points, you're defense is pitiful. After all, in the Dallas game, Tony Romo became the first QB in NFL history ever to have 500+ yards passing and five TD passes in the same game. And when Denver faces the better teams and QBs (like New England with Brady, Kansas City, and even San Diego with Rivers and Indianapolis with Luck, who they face this Sunday), they're not going to be able to get away with continued pitiful defensive performances like what they've their defense has been producing, or not producing this season. If their defense doesn't improve (an it's hard to imagine it getting any worse), Peyton Manning's may end up being "one and done" in the playoffs again. 690. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.16.2013 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Two years ago today we lost and incredible man and equally phenomenal race car driver, the one nicknamed lionheart, the eternal great, Dan Wheldon. May he continue to rest in peace." I've had that on my mind today as well. IndyCar has certainly seen many great moments since then, but it just hasn't been the same without Wheldon. I'll never forget that terrible day, and that crash definitely ranks as one of the top ten worst professional auto racing crashes of all time. 691. Daniel posted: 10.16.2013 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) My guess for a most likely first time winner this Sunday is Aric Almirola Pitiful,they cannot seem to take what someone is able put on their comments. P.S. I'm praying for them all 692. DB1995 posted: 10.16.2013 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 680. Thank you 83andJoe 693. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.16.2013 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "When will humanity finally realize that Peyton Manning may very well be the biggest choker in the history of Big 4 sports?" When humanity forgets about Tony Romo." The difference is Tony Romo is the same in the regular season as the post season. With Peyton, I have never seen such a dramatic fall off from regular season performance to post season play. To win so much in the regular season (how many 12+ win seasons has he had?), a long career of lighting up the first 16 games, just 2 losing seasons with him starting, one of which being his rookie season, to having a losing record in the playoffs, 8 one and dones (5 at home) in 12 playoff appearances, just one ring and one other Super Bowl appearance where he was outplayed by Brees. But the slobbering media keeps giving him a pass for it. Every single freaking year we have to hear of his greatness, every year it seems we get the "is this the best the QB position has ever been played?" bogus discussions (cause apparently 1989 never happened, when the greatest QB domination from start to finish in a season occured). Between him and Favre, I don't know who the football media loves more. And it is appropriate that both, despite LONG careers on STACKED teams, will end up with one rong each. And as for the Jim Irsay article that has people talking, including horrible coach John Fox, he didn't take any shots at Peyton. Even when lamenting the one Super Bowl win and host of one and dones deapite an unparalleled run of regular season success, he didn't take any shots at Peyton. He just accurately stated that putting up "Star Wars" offensive numbers aren't conducive to Super Bowl wins. He talked about Brady. He didn't put up any numbers from '01-'06, but won 3 Super Bowls* and overachieved big time in the '06 playoffs. Then 2007 started, he began racking up huge record breaking numbers and stopped winning Super Bowls. Meanwhile Big Ben and Eli, two guys who are never in MVP discussions or do anything news worthy stat wise, have won 2 rings apiece. And I too would rank Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly ahead of Peyton despite their combined 0-7 Super Bowl records. As mentioned earlier, they won playoff games and at least made it to 3 and 4 Super Bowls respectively, only to lose to better teams. And each still put up some good numbers despite playing in BRUTAL home weather environments (remember, Fran played for The Vikes when they played OUTSIDE in the winter in MINNESOTA! Brrrrr!). 694. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.16.2013 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Speaking of Football games I had a conversation between CJS regarding the Famous 1981 NFC Championship Game between the 49ers & Cowboys in which he told me that game shouldn't have been that close and that the 49ers should had blown the Cowboys out of the Stadium and into the bay. 695. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.16.2013 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Nico Rosberg fan Seb Vettel is a great driver. This season has proved it in my mind that he is a great driver. He has killed his competition and destroyed Webber and Alonso. Mercedes have almost a car the equal of the Red Bull and Vettel is roughly 4 race wins ahead of Hamilton and more of Rosberg. Loeb while he may have an artificially inflated win total and championship tally due to weak competition and lack of depth. He still won the crown jewel of rallying the rally Finland 3 TIMES.This makes him only I think the fourth non-nordic driver to do so. It is like the fact that people not Johnson for winning titles in great equipment, he is just doing what the greats have done, won in superior equipment which has happened for the majority of motorsport history. Very few drivers win anything major in motosports without good equipment, the exceptions are few and far between. That is what makes say Earnhardt's first championship. Benny Parsons and Alan Kuwicki's championships so unique and why they should be cherished. To make a substantial mark in motorsport over a long period of time you obviously need to be the benefactor of good equipment. 696. The Long Shot posted: 10.16.2013 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If I had to predict one first-time winner this weekend, I'd go out on a limb. J.J. Yeley has run extremely well on the plate tracks this season (10th at the Daytona 500, was running in the top 5 at Talladega when he was caught in the huge wreck late, 12th at the Daytona July race). And after all, this is the same TBR team that finished 3rd in this very same race 2 years ago (and they didn't need any huge last-minute wrecks to do it, either). And DSFF, I'm not trying to defend Peyton Manning here (in fact, I agree with pretty much everything you said), but at least he can actually take teams to the playoffs, unlike "Choky" Romo, who plays well for the first 11 games of the season and then tanks for the remainder of the season. If Dallas is somehow able to make the playoffs anyways (which will likely be the case this year, as the rest of the NFC East is absolutely horrible), then Romo proceeds to fail in even more spectacular fashion. Manning might be the biggest choker in NFL postseason history, but combine that with the regular season, and I don't see how it can't be Romo. 697. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.16.2013 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also one of the Sporting News columnist's makes an inventive suggestion that would "solve" a lot of problems. Have Richmond finish the chase on Labour day weekend and then run Darlington as the first chase race on I believe the Monday night. Traditionally wasn't the southern 500 run on the Monday. This would also please Cjs who has been lobbying for Darlington to be part of the chase like in 2004 as it is such a test of a driver and his team's skill over 5 grueling miles on a challenging layout. This would kill 2 birds withthe one stone as Darlington would be run on Labour day weekend and be part of the chase. Alos I am all for giving Darlington a crappy date for 1 year if they get their rightful place back in the sport. I think it is a fair trade-off 698. Kubica fan Ireland posted: 10.16.2013 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 500 miles sorry 699. The Sound posted: 10.16.2013 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) To me, an underrated aspect of a team's performance depends on their expectations. For example, two years ago Denver had an exceptional defense with Tim Tebow as their quarterback. Now, they have an atrocious defense with Peyton Manning as their quarterback. While rosters certainly undergo upheaval in only two years, I believe a more accurate analysis of Denver's defense is that they are average. An average defense that fluctuates depending on their expectations for the game. With Tebow, Denver's defense knew that giving up 20+ points would probably be a death sentence. With Manning, they can give up 40+ points and get away with it. I'm not saying that's the most important factor, but I think it is a factor. As a Detroit Tigers fan, I find this phenomenon to be illustrated whenever Verlander pitches. Lately, the Tigers cannot buy a run with him on the mound, while if someone like Porcello pitches, they tend to score 5+. I don't have the season-long stats to support this, but I think it's a fairly reasonable statement to say that the team knows they can score 2 runs and win with Verlander, while 5 runs for Porcello may not be enough. 700. 18fan posted: 10.16.2013 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) It looks like the Dodgers are going to win today and prolong their season at least a couple more days. I cannot stand the Cardinals, but I respect the way they have built their organization, especially the crazy amount of really good pitchers they develop in their minor league system. I wish there were more true development programs now in NASCAR, but the sponsor's insisting on Cup drivers running lower series races has really taken that away. These guys that you hear are the "development driver" for such-and-such a team usually end up stuck in K&N or get released from their development contract to drive crappy trucks or Nationwide cars because most Cup teams don't have truck teams and their Nationwide cars are occupied by Cup drivers. 701. 18fan posted: 10.16.2013 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Verlander has been dominant, giving up 1 run in 3 starts and the Tigers are 1-2 in his starts, with two 1-0 losses. The Tigers went 14-20 in his starts and even though he had a down year by his standards, he pitched better than his 13-12 record indicates, mainly because of how many starts he had where the Tigers didn't score many runs to back him up. 702. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.16.2013 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "he told me that game shouldn't have been that close and that the 49ers should had blown the Cowboys out of the Stadium and into the bay." The Niners had 6 turnovers in that game, including 3 INTs by Montana. But, as is the story of his career, he delivered when it counted. That was a classic case of the Niners being the better team, but being young and inexperienced and new to the playoff pressure. Even Joe Cool a struggled with it for 3 quarters. Meanwhile the Cowboys were aging, and they no longer had Staubach (they did have the extremely underrated Danny White, a really good QB who had the misfortune of playing in the 12 year gap between Staubach and Aikman, two legends by any calculation). But they were seasoned. Many on that team had been in the late 70s Super Bowls against the Broncos (The Blunder Bowl) and the second one against the Steelers (one of the best games ever) as well as other recent playoff wars like (cover your ears Paul) The Hail Mary game and the classic against The Falcons (big surprise, Atlanta lost). They also had Tom Landry, and although the game of football was passing by him by the minute, he knew all about playoff pressure (5 Super Bowl appearances, 2 NFL title game appearances against Lombardi's Packers, also had playoff games against Johnny U's Colts and Jim Brown's..... Browns). That is why it was close. In the end, The Niners got over their yips, and Montana became Joe Cool for the rest of eternity. So yes, on paper Dallas shouldn't have been close. But considering the factors, it actually makes sense. Oddly enough, 11 years later, in the NFC title game between the same two franchises in the same stadium, the same type of game happened, only in reverse as the seasoned Niners kept step with step with the younger and better Cowboys until the end when the Boys came of age. Of course had San Fran put in a recovered Montana instead of Steve Young, who was never a good playoff QB except in '94......... 703. cjs3872 posted: 10.16.2013 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Ben, I wouldn't say they should have blown the Cowboys into San Francisco Bay, but it should have been easier than it was, considering they won turning the ball over six times, a fact almost always forgotten about that game. Of course, they did practically blow the Cowboys into San Francisco Bay when they met in the regular season, winning 45-10, which was why that game was in San Francisco, and not Dallas. And DSFF, as great as Joe Montana was in 1989, let's not forget just how close the Los Angeles Rams were to sweeping the 49ers and winning the NFC West that year. he ram had beaten the 49ers in San Francisco and led them in the rematch in Anaheim until they had two of the biggest defensive meltdowns in history, which was how they lost that game. If they had not lost that game, they would have been in perfect position to win the NFC West, which would have meant that the 49ers would have had to go the long way, and who knows what would have happened then. And there were other legendary seasons put together by other QBs. Any of the ones by Dan Fouts from 1979-'82 could be on the list, as should Peyton Manning's 2004 and Tom Brady's 2007 seasons. But to me, as great as Joe Montana's 1989 season was, and that was his best year, the greatest season a QB has ever put together was Dan Marino's season in 1984, when he put the entire Miami Dolphins team on his shoulders and took them to a Super Bowl, despite a pedestrian running game and a bad defense. To me, that was, and still is as good as it gets for a QB. It's true that Marino didn't beat the 49ers in that Super Bowl, but he fact that they were even there was a tribute to what in my mind was the greatest season a QB has ever had. Let's put it in perspective. For a QB to do what Marino did to the TD record in 1984, a QB would have to throw 67 TDs in one season (since the current record is 50), because that would add 33% to the record, which is exactly what Marino did in 1984 when he increased the TD from 36 to 48. 704. cjs3872 posted: 10.16.2013 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Speaking of Danny White, DSFF, let's not forget that he took the Cowboys to three consecutive NFC Championship Games from 1980-'82. The problem he had was that they were on the road for all three, and each of the teams they played (Philadelphia, San Francisco, Washington) had either not won a championship for a very long time, or had never won one. It should also be said that the Cowboys were terribly unfortunate, because they had their eye on players, but always got outmaneuvered, the mot notable case being Jerry Rice. Landry was going to pick Rice in 1985, but Bill Walsh traded to the spot directly ahead of Dallas to get Rice, denying Landry a long-term replacement for Drew Pearson. But what happened there was a case of too many players getting old to replace, and Danny White never did recover from his broken hand in 1986, or the Cowboys might have had something to say about the Giants romping to the Super Bowl that year, because they were 6-2 when that happened. However, had White been able to adequately recover from his broken hand, they never would have had the chance to draft Troy Aikman, or hire Jimmy Johnson because Landry would never have gotten fired when he did, and the Cowboys would not have had the #1 pick in the 1989 draft, case they might still have been competitive. 705. The Sound posted: 10.16.2013 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Just finished my third season in the Nascar Thunder 2003 career mode. I'm on Veteran difficulty. It was amazing how, once I finally produced a car with a 70 rating, I could actually challenge for Top 15s and even the occasional win. 1 pole, 1 win, 7 Top 5s, 10 Top 10s, Avg. Start 25.2, Avg. Finish 17.1 Final Standing: 16th My goal for 2006 is multiple wins, double digit Top 5s, and a Top 10 points finish. I expect to contend for the championship in 2007. 706. Daniel posted: 10.16.2013 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Guessing who: Jamie McMurray will lead the most laps(Possibly there will be a tie too) 707. cjs3872 posted: 10.16.2013 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well Daniel, that's happened in restrictor late racing before (a tie for most laps led). One such case I can remember took place in the 1995 Firecracker 400 at Daytona when both Jeff Gordon and Sterling Marlin tied for the most laps led, with each leading 72 laps in that race. And when that happens, any tied driver/team gets the full point bonus for leading the most laps. 708. ch posted: 10.16.2013 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sponsor Changes: 24 - Axalta Coating Systems (Same for Kansas) 36 - United Mining Equipment / Pitt Lite 95 - SupportMilitary.org 709. murb posted: 10.17.2013 - 3:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Fox Sports is reporting that Martin Truex and Furniture Row have inevitably agreed to a deal. They're gonna announce it sometime next week. I'm happy that Truex was able to find a good quality ride after all of MWR's hijinks. Hopefully he'll have a good season. 710. NicoRosbergFan posted: 10.17.2013 - 6:29 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) ^Glad to hear that. He proved these last two years that he can bring wins to the table and that Dover 2007 wasn't a fluke. 711. cjs3872 posted: 10.17.2013 - 8:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Question is, will the #78 car actually be a quality car next year? Truex deserves a quality ride, especially after what MWR's put him through, but I'm not entirely sure it's going to be a car of the quality it's shown this year. 712. David posted: 10.17.2013 - 10:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also reported: Elliott Sadler will sub for Brian Vickers in the #55 for the last four races. No word yet on who will replace him in the #20 Nationwide car. 713. Scott B posted: 10.17.2013 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sadler could just double up, the schedules don't conflict for the last few weeks. I'm mildly surprised that he was chosen, but he's in the Toyota family, and out of the hunt for the NNW championship by any realistic estimate, and has plenty of Cup experience, so I guess it does make sense. 714. Scott B posted: 10.17.2013 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) As far as the #20 NNW car, it may be not a single driver but a combination that finishes the last few events in place of Vickers. 715. Scott B posted: 10.17.2013 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) CJS, I think the #78 will be still be a decent ride next year, though maybe not quite as well-supported as it has been currently. Having them as a satellite team has been working well for ECR, and even with Kurt moving on, it's to ECR's advantage to continue it. Germain Racing and Casey Mears are also joining the ECR extended family in 2014, though, and it's hard to say if they'll hurt the #78 by competing for resources, or help by having one more source for constructive feedback. I'd expect the #78 to be a factor at plate races, mid-pack elsewhere. I don't see them making the Chase, though. 716. David posted: 10.17.2013 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Sadler could just double up, the schedules don't conflict for the last few weeks." Errr...he drives the #11 in Nationwide already. 717. JRacingFast posted: 10.17.2013 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If i were Gibbs i would allow Kenseth anywhere near the #20 car in Nationwide....For obvious reasons....Id like to see him put Wallace JR are Joey Colter in the car to see what they can do are even maybe put Denny Hamlin in there- Even though wed all hate to see it and Denny hates running nationwide races But just so Denny can maybe get a win to get some confidence back 718. Sector posted: 10.17.2013 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't think Denny Hamlin should compete in the #20 car. He should just step out of the #11 car & recover like yesterday. 719. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.17.2013 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I just wish NAPA would follow Truex to FRR. It seems that Mikey's plan at Richmond ran them out of NASCAR, and that is a damn shame. 720. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.17.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I just wish NAPA would follow Truex to FRR. It seems that Mikey's plan at Richmond ran them out of NASCAR, and that is a damn shame." Or they were looking for a reason to leave the sport and this whole situation gave them the perfect excuse. 721. startandparkfan posted: 10.17.2013 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) For the #20 NNS car, put Darrell Wallace Jr in the car. 722. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 10.17.2013 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "If i were Gibbs i would allow Kenseth anywhere near the #20 car in Nationwide....For obvious reasons....Id like to see him put Wallace JR are Joey Colter in the car to see what they can do are even maybe put Denny Hamlin in there-" Kenseth is already scheduled to drive the #18 NNS car for the final 3 races of the season. 723. murb posted: 10.17.2013 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) In latest "Holy Shit, This Is The Craziest Year Ever" news, #43 crew chief Todd Parrott has been suspended indefinitely for violating the substance abuse policy. Wow. 724. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.17.2013 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Todd Parrott is the absolute last person I'd expect to get in trouble for violating the substance abuse policy, still I hope he can successfully complete the road to recovery program and redeem himself like A.J. Allmendinger did. 725. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.17.2013 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Still, start to finish I'll take Joe in '89. Yeah, they caught a break with the Rams, but the fact is they went 14-2 and just breezed through the playoffs, with 3 epic blowouts, while winning regular season MVP and Super Bowl MVP. One thing to consider is their schedule that year. Their first 3 games were on the road. I'm assuming that has something to do with sharing Candlestick with the Giants at the time, but since when do the defending champs have 3 straight road games to start a season? But they won all 3 including the famous "Changing Of The Guard" game in Philly when Joe got pummeled for 3 quarters then threw 4 TDs in the 4th quarter. And if the Rams did steal the division and the Niners had to go on the Road? They did that the previous season and won it all including winning the NFC in freezing Chicago. I'm guessing they'd do just fine in Anaheim. 726. David posted: 10.17.2013 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Todd Parrott is the absolute last person I'd expect to get in trouble for violating the substance abuse policy" Methinks it was a medication he was taking and it didn't pass the test. 727. Eric posted: 10.17.2013 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I am shocked that Todd Parrott get in trouble for violating the substance abuse policy. I am saying that because Todd has been in NASCAR for a very long time and you figure that he would have flunked a drug test years ago. Todd also is the biggest name that violated the drug test because he was one of the top 3 crew chiefs in NASCAR back in the late 1990's. 728. Eric posted: 10.17.2013 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) DaleSrFanForever, Lets don't forget that 1988 Bears wouldn't have been in the championship game if it wasn't for the fog bowl. The 1988 Eagles were the better team. The 1988 Bears had a great defense and good running game, but that team had problems having a healthy quarterback. They didn't exactly had a good Wide Receiver core either if I remember right. When your team has Mike Tomczak as your starting quarterback, you need to upgrade your Quarterback position. 729. cjs3872 posted: 10.17.2013 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I wouldn't exactly say they caught a break with the Rams, DSFF. In fact, the Rams were the only team capable of seriously challenging them in 1989, as was proven in the two regular season matchups. My point about what might have happened if they had to go on the road wasn't about them facing the Rams in blasé Los Angeles, but rather having to go to Philadelphia and New York prior to that. And you forgot to mention something about the 49ers in 1989. If I remember right, they only played seven home games in Candlestick Park, because they had to play one at Stanford Stadium, due to the damage to Candlestick Park caused by the earthquake that struck in that year's World Series between the Giants and A's and caused a record 10-day delay. (Ironically, the previous record for the longest delay in World Series history occurred in 1911 between the same two franchises, when the 1911 World Series between the New York Gants and Philadelphia Athletics was delayed six days by rain following Game 3.) The game against the Patriots was the one moved to Stanford Stadium, I believe. The Oakland Coliseum was not an option, likely because it was also damaged by the earthquake So they had even fewer legitimate home games than you think. But for some reason, the 49ers were always a better road team than they were a home team back then. 730. Eric posted: 10.17.2013 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) DaleSrFanForever, One of the reasons the 49ers blew out all 3 teams in the playoffs is who they played in 2 of the 3 games. The 1989 Vikings only got into the playoffs because they had tie breakers over the Packers. The 1989 Packers were the more dangerous team to the 1989 49ers than the Vikings were and the Packers were only one of 2 times that beaten the 1989 49ers. The 1989 Packers were the more dangerous team than the 1989 Vikings were. The Vikings had great players on Offense, but they didn't have the Quarterback, and Herschel Walker didn't their system. The 1989 Packers got most of their wins from playing from behind. The 1989 Packers got a career year out of Don Majkowski and the year that league got notice that Sterling Sharpe a top 3 Wide Receiver of the NFL, but the defense was the problem. If the Packers won either at Tampa Bay or the Rams, they would have won the division. The 1989 Broncos were outmatched by the 49ers before the game got started. The 1989 Broncos almost got beaten by a Steelers team lead by Buddy Brister and that tells you the Broncos was going to get their butt whipped by the 49ers based on that fact. 731. Eric posted: 10.17.2013 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I called the 1989 season the season that Sterling Sharpe that league got notice that Sterling Sharpe a top 3 Wide Receiver of the NFL for a reason. While a lot of people claim on youtube and on sports sites that Brett Favre made Sterling Sharpe, that wasn't the case. Sterling Sharpe in 1989 had a great season with Don Majkowski as a starting quarterback. Sterling Sharpe in 1989 got his first of 3 first team all pro's and his first of 5 Pro Bowls. What happened to production out of Sharpe in 1990 and 1991 was a capable factors. The Packers running game got worse, terrible quarterback play/injuries, and a bad offensive line that had a 1st round bust starting at Offensive Tackle. 732. 83andJoe posted: 10.17.2013 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) News: Late Model star Daniel Hemric will run one of Eddie Sharp's trucks at Martinsville. 733. 18fan posted: 10.17.2013 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) My thoughts on the Chasers heading into Talladega: Matt Kenseth: This team seems to be able to always run their best at the end of the race, such as Charlotte as they were mid-pack for a while before finishing 3rd. They pretty much have pushed all the right buttons in this chase and will need to continue that because they don't have the outright speed of the 48. Jimmie Johnson: Team clearly has the most speed right now but has been unable to close as many wins as they have in the past, wasting the fastest car at Chicago, Kansas, and Charlotte. Still the favorite with their speed and Martinsville coming up. Phoenix is not the automatic 48 win anymore as they have struggled since the repave. Kevin Harvick: A darkhorse candidate, but speed outside of Kansas has not been up to par of the 20, 48, and 18. Needs to survive Talladega or he is probably done, but another top 5 points finish is almost assured at this point. Jeff Gordon: Has hung around with solid but not spectacular runs, but have definitely left points on the table through questionable pit calls plus a costly mistake by Jeff at New Hampshire. Needs a quality run at Talladega with trouble potentially striking the 20 and 48. Kyle Busch: Doesn't have the speed of the 20 and 48, but have been consistently top 5 except for the disaster at Kansas, which is looking big right now as the top 2 haven't had their disaster race yet and might not if they get through Talladega. Has a better chance to get back into the fight than Gordon, but will definitely need help from JJ and Matt as he needs to make up over 7 points a race, which is not easy against the 20 and 48. Greg Biffle: Starting with him these drivers have no shot at the title. Biffle is 6th in points based mostly off of running mediocre but not having the disaster day that others have had. Only 4 top 5s all year show the lack of speed this team has had all year. Kurt Busch: Inconsistency that jeopardized team's Chase berth have struck in the chase and relegated them to 7th. This team is definitely capable of winning a race, but they are running out of time to do so. Clint Bowyer: Strategy that works in the regular season to end up high in points doesn't work as well in the chase when other teams rack up top 5s and wins. Plus they haven't even contended for a top 5 all Chase long, and you get an 8th place team. Dale Earnhardt, Jr.: Has a lot of speed, but poor in-race adjustments and calls have cost them potential wins. Engine failure in Chicago doomed them, but being unable to capitalize further on fast racecars has slowed their rise up the standings. Carl Edwards: Similar to Bowyer, running consistenly in the back half of the top 10 with occasional top 5s does not leave much margin for error and the mechanical failure at Dover put an end to their championship hopes. Their lack of speed is consistent with most of the season as most of their laps led came in 4 races (Phoenix, Bristol, Atlanta, and Richmond). Joey Logano: Momentum seemed to carry into the chase with strong Chicago run until engine blew. Inconsistency since then has left them low in points. Ryan Newman: Have alternated top 10s with finishes outside the top 15, but the crash at Kansas left them buried in points and it will take finishes better than 8th (Newman's best in the Chase) to finish in the top half of the Chase. Kasey Kahne: Lone chase bright spot came at Charlotte, but they were out-strategized in both Charlotte races and not winning leaves a bitter taste in the mouth at this point where wins are the only thing left to race for. 734. cjs3872 posted: 10.17.2013 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 18fan, that mistake by Jeff Gordon at New Hampshire has gotten overblown, because he was going to drop way back in the field even if he didn't overshoot his pit, because his team was going to change four tires anyway, so he was going to end up about 15th anyway, even without the mistake. The mistake simply dropped him from 15th to the last car on the lead lap, which was about 22nd or 23rd, and he could only make it back up to 15th, but he wouldn't have finished much better had he not overshot his pit. And if you remember, the ESPN commentators criticized the tactics of that pit stop shortly after it happened, because they knew he probably wasn't going to progress very much, and they turned out to be right. 735. 18fan posted: 10.17.2013 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I actually wasn't able to watch that race so all I saw was the reaction to Gordon overshooting his box, not that the call was bad. But Gustafson making a terrible pit call is so normal that it is not even a big deal anymore. I am still upset at Gustafson for the 2007 Atlanta Chase race where two tires was obviously the call and Gustafson put four on Kyle's car and he went from leading the race to mid-pack and got caught up in the wreck when Denny Hamlin's car sputtered on the restart. 736. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.17.2013 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "But for some reason, the 49ers were always a better road team than they were a home team back then." I noticed that too looking at their records, especially in Joe's latter years as a Niner once he became a Bay Area icon. And I think I know why. Michael Jordan and the Bulls had a similar issue during their championship runs. By the time MJ won his first ring, he was already a Chicago icon. According to those around him, playing home games was a pain on the ass for MJ with a million different people pulling him in a million different directions. In their first 3 Finals appearances (all wins), they only lost 1 or 2 road games in those Finals, but were only .500 at home. In the epic 6 game '93 Finals, the Bulls were only 1-2 at home but 3-0 in Phoenix. In '93 and '98 they lost home Game 5s with a chance to clinch the title, and had to go on the road and win Game 6 both times. I think Joe may have had a similar deal. I think it is safe to say Joe Montana and Michael Jordan are the two most popular athletes since baseball's heyday ended in the 60s, after years when Babe, Gehrig, Joe D, Ted Williams, Mantle, Mays, and Hammering Hank were loved by everyone. They both are highly outstanding players who, in addition to being really good, were SO fun to watch. Best of all for both, not only did their performance not dip in the clutch in playoff games, they always seemed to have a little extra something extra in those big moments. Too bad NASCAR didn't truly go national 10 uears earlier, in the mid to late 80s instead of the mid to late 90s. I think Earnhardt would have been up there nationally with those two. He also was really good, super fun to watch, and at his best when it truly mattered. 737. cjs3872 posted: 10.18.2013 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I wouldn't say that Michael Jordan and Joe Montana are the two most popular athletes in the last 40-50 years. Are they the greatest at what they did? Perhaps, but there have been many, many popular athletes in that time frame across the spectrum of sports. In racing, you had Richard Petty, Mario Andretti, A.J. Foyt, Earnhardt, etc. In basketball, you not only had Jordan, but Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, David Robinson, Dr. J (Julius Erving), etc. In baseball, you had Mike Schmidt, Willie Stargell, Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose, Reggie Jackson, Carlton Fisk, Thurman Munson, etc. In golf, you had Jack Nicklaus, Lee Trevino, Greg Norman, Tom Watson, Johnny Miller, Seve Ballesteros, etc. Each and every one of those I mentioned were extremely popular, and there were many others. And in football, there are simply too many to mention. 738. jabber1990 posted: 10.18.2013 - 11:55 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I had a dream last night that I was watching a Nationwide race and Kyle Busch was leading hard to imagine isn't it? 739. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had a dream last night that NASCAR awarded all the drivers bonus money for "racing hard". No joke. I'm pretty sure the track in the dream was Bristol. Also, Bob Pockrass reports Brendan Gaughan will run full-time Nationwide for RCR in 2014, along with 3 more full-time teams. 740. The Sound posted: 10.18.2013 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoops, #739 was me. 741. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.18.2013 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Either way Zackary, we can thank Michael Waltrip and his organization for running a sponsor out of NASCAR. They have been extremely loyal to him ever since 2001 when he first signed with DEI, even followed him when he started up his own team and stayed with him despite him DNQing like crazy that first year. I do tend to believe they would have either stayed on the #56 or just sponsored another driver good with marketing were it not for the Richmond incident. 742. 18fan posted: 10.18.2013 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin will drive the #20 Nationwide car at Texas and Drew Herring will drive at Phoenix and Homestead. 743. jabber1990 posted: 10.18.2013 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) so, Vickers won't be competing for the Nationwide Championship? wow, nobody wants that championship 744. 83andJoe posted: 10.18.2013 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jabber1990 - you did see where Vickers is out for the season due to blood clots? 745. cjs3872 posted: 10.18.2013 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And he was out of contention anyway, jabber1990. He had fallen to eighth in the series standings, nearly 100 points from the lead. It really is a 2-man race for the title, and I give the edge to Austin Dillon, who may be racing for the lead more in Sunday's race than he might be in all three of the remaining Nationwide Series races combined. After all, in the Nationwide Series, he's only concerned about racing one car and that's the #12 of Sam Hornish, Jr. He could care less what everyone else is doing. Actually, wouldn't it be something if he actually won Sunday's race in the #14 car? Stranger things have happened at Talladega. Just look at the most recent race there. In fact, if Austin did manage to win on Sunday, I don't think it would be near as big an upset as David Ragan's win there this spring was. 746. Spen posted: 10.18.2013 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Incidentally, Toyota has now officially passed Buick for seventh on the list of most used manufacturers. 747. 18fan posted: 10.18.2013 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I read an article about Jim Irsay's decision to release Peyton and one the first paragraphs opens with describing Peyton as "perhaps football's greatest quarterback ever". I think people see the great player (or driver in the case of Jimmie Johnson) and immediately declare them the greatest ever because the current player is fresh in the minds of the media. 748. cjs3872 posted: 10.18.2013 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well, Peyton Manning's not even the greatest COLTS quarterback ever, much less the greatest QB in the history of the entire sport. After all, that's the same franchise that had John Unitas for 17 years, and Unitas was literally the man that set the standard for all QBs that followed for many, many years, and is considered by many to be the father of the modern pro quarterback. 749. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.18.2013 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Johnny U belongs on the Mount Rushmore of QBs with Joe, Bart, and Otto. 750. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2013 - 12:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, at 9am on the NFL Network will have an extensive interview with Brett Farve discussing Peyton Manning. My least favorite player of my lifetime discussing my second least player. Guess who won't be watching that? 751. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2013 - 1:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey! On the NFL Network's Top 10 players you love to hate, they had Favre #1. Bravo! 752. cjs3872 posted: 10.19.2013 - 9:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know about Bart Starr and Otto Graham being quite as high as you rate them, DSFF, but certainly Joe Montana and John Unitas are still the top two QBs of all-time. I would rate John Elway and Tom Brady at the third and fourth spots, with Roger Staubach completing my top five. Certainly, I would have Starr, the only QB ever to win five NFL championships, in my second five, but I don't rank him in my top five, as you obviously do. 753. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.19.2013 - 10:08 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) From Jayski: GoDaddy leaving IndyCar, will stick with Danica for "long time" This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a LONG time. I sure hope Danica continues to provide lackluster finishes for GoDaddy whie James Hinchcliffe continues to win races in the future in IndyCar (an announcement is expected today for a new sponsor for James and that he will stay at Andretti Autosport next year). 754. Jim Davis posted: 10.19.2013 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a LONG time." "We looked at our customer acquisition costs and it's an audience size issue," Irving said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "The customer acquisition costs between the web, between regular TV and between NASCAR and IndyCar, IndyCar is the most expensive acquisition vehicle we have. It was pretty expensive on a per customer cost." What part of the above do you find ridiculous? It's fairly straightforward. More people watch NASCAR than watch Indycar. More people have heard of Patrick than have heard of Hinchcliffe. It has to be kept in mind that wins and good finishes are only incidental to a sponsor. What they really want is to sell products and services. Patrick in NASCAR does a better job of this than Hinchcliffe in Indycar despite the fact that Hinchcliffe is the better driver and wins on occasion. 755. David posted: 10.19.2013 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see the IndyCar schedule has been released for 2014. I wonder what Sean thinks of it. Personally, I like the way they condensed it into five months, but that's just me. 756. David posted: 10.19.2013 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, I take that back. I only said that because there wouldn't be such long breaks between races. This new schedule would make their offseason seven months long. We can't have that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: