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  1.   Sky Warrior posted:
  06.27.2014 - 7:10 pm
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Withdrew: J.J. Yeley #44 All City Leasing Chevrolet


  2.   Kenny posted:
  06.27.2014 - 7:11 pm
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Well I guess jr is gonna have a shitty night what with him being 29th
and all :(


  3.   AnonymousEFR posted:
  06.27.2014 - 7:34 pm
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Well to heck with that...we only have 42 cars! First time since Loudon
2001, which was due to its postponement to November after the 9/11
attacks. Here, we just plain have 42 cars.


  4.   Anonymous posted:
  06.27.2014 - 7:44 pm
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Surprising that the #44 withdrew, as they would've started the race just
by basically showing up at the track. Had the 93 of Bliss not been
added, this would've been the smallest Cup field since 1996 (the final
race at North Wilkesboro, only 37 cars started the race).


  5.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.27.2014 - 7:56 pm
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Anonymous #4: Xxxtreme Motorsport said on Twitter that they withdrew due
to "in house politics". So, they will probably be back next week.


  6.   joey2448 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 7:56 pm
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First time since September 1996 at Dover that the Cup series has not
fulfilled it's potential to have a full field! October 1997 at Talladega
had only 42 cars, but it can be considered a full field since the rules
of the day dictated that the final 43rd spot was reserved as a
provisional in case any past champions were not fast enough...wow.

Them Penske boys sure are fast...in qualifying.

I say, if you had to guess which other pair of teammates have come the
closest to equaling what the Penske duo have done in qualifying this
year, I bet you'd never answer with the Ganassi team! McMurray and
Larson have been super slick in qualifying this year, but not always so
lucky on race day (especially McMurray).

Also, when was the last time Ryan Newman went this far into a season
without a pole? This must be a record!

Sixth time this year that Danica Patrick has been a part of the final
dozen in qualifying! And fifth time in the last eight races! She's
slowly getting there.


  7.   23andJoe posted:
  06.27.2014 - 7:59 pm
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So...BK filled the field (as predicted), but then the 44 withdrew...pity.


  8.   epzik8 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 8:02 pm
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I was watching practice and thought someone chose not to go onto the
track during that session, then I went on Jayski's and it said there
were only 42 cars on the entry list.


  9.   joey2448 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 8:11 pm
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Wow I just noticed that in round 2 of qualifying, the bottom four
drivers were all Fords, and three of those were Roush-Fenway Fords!
Yikes. Can't wait to read cjs's reaction to that!


  10.   RaceFanX posted:
  06.27.2014 - 8:13 pm
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I'm shocked that we didn't have someone else after BK Racing pull an
"enter the backup car with Busch driver" maneuver to fill the field. I
hope NASCAR doesn't lose money for this, I thought the TV contract
dictated a 43-car field at every race.

We had 49 cars at Daytona, what makes Kentucky such a race no one wanted
to show?


  11.   23andJoe posted:
  06.27.2014 - 8:17 pm
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>what makes Kentucky such a race no one wanted to show?

Probably the same reason Kentucky's a race noone wants to /watch/.


  12.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.27.2014 - 8:18 pm
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RaceFanX: Last year also ended a LONG streak. Bobby Labonte's 700-some
consecutive race streak ended here last year.


  13.   TS1420 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 8:20 pm
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"We had 49 cars at Daytona, what makes Kentucky such a race no one
wanted to show?"

The extra wear and tear on the equipment due to the bumpiness of the track?


  14.   Rexrobe posted:
  06.27.2014 - 8:58 pm
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Daytona pays tons more than Kentucky to start, thus the higher number of
entries.

To be fair, the Cup series has been close to this for a long time now
with only 43, 44, and 45 entries for most of this season and last. All
it would have taken is a bit of sponsor trouble or "in house politics"
before now for a short field to happen.


  15.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 9:09 pm
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OMG!!! 42 cars! How could this be! I guess this continues the downward
spiral of NASCAR. First dropping attendance and TV ratings,then the
closure of many teams,than the trimming of Nationwide fields from 43 to
40,then the Camping World Truck series having as few as 27 trucks in the
race,and now this. And this could be a catastrophe. NASCAR's TV
contracts say they MUST have 43 cars a race or else. Now,they have 42.
What will happen to nascar in the future? will it stay popular,or will
Brian run it into the ground and it die,or will it fade away but keep
going like Indycar,or something else? debate in the comments below.
and yes,i did this last week,but i am really interested about what
people think the future of NASCAR will be!


  16.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.27.2014 - 9:19 pm
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I am surprised that a small team like HScott or something didn't throw
in a renumbered backup car with a Nationwide or Truck driver.


  17.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.27.2014 - 9:20 pm
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dennyfan11, the future of NASCAR will be pretty much as it is today,
maybe with a few less cars. That is all.


  18.   murb posted:
  06.27.2014 - 9:28 pm
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I know it will never happen, but hopefully Nascar will just say "screw
this place" and drop Kentucky from the schedule next year. Not only is
the racing horrid (last year's race here was the only one in four years
that has been moderately good), but they have just had all sorts of
problems. To start off, they had the downright pathetic parking/traffic
problems in their inaugural year, and now, this track has proven to be
so mediocre and meaningless that 43 teams won't even show up to compete
(I know that's not the only reason for the low entry list this weekend,
but I believe it's a major part of it).

Despite whatever brainwashing Boss Hog and his empire are doing to
Nascar's brass, this place doesn't deserve a Cup race. Nascar giving
this race to either Iowa or another road course would be one of the best
decisions they could make.


  19.   111111 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 9:33 pm
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6: Last season it took Ryan until Indy to get a pole. And in 2012 he
didn't even get a pole!


  20.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 9:51 pm
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"I know it will never happen, but hopefully Nascar will just say "screw
this place" and drop Kentucky from the schedule next year. Not only is
the racing horrid (last year's race here was the only one in four years
that has been moderately good), but they have just had all sorts of
problems. To start off, they had the downright pathetic parking/traffic
problems in their inaugural year, and now, this track has proven to be
so mediocre and meaningless that 43 teams won't even show up to compete
(I know that's not the only reason for the low entry list this weekend,
but I believe it's a major part of it).

Despite whatever brainwashing Boss Hog and his empire are doing to
Nascar's brass, this place doesn't deserve a Cup race. Nascar giving
this race to either Iowa or another road course would be one of the best
decisions they could make."

Agree 100%. If I were the head of NASCAR, this would be the first track
I would kick off the schedule. In my mind, Kentucky is definitely not a
Cup worthy track.

Of course, knowing NASCAR, rather than ditching this track, they'll give
it a second date in a year or two by taking away a date from a track we
actually like...


  21.   MarkMartinFan posted:
  06.27.2014 - 10:12 pm
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I actually like this track. I think they need to somehow repave the
track, but leave some of the bumps. The track maintains character while
also making it an easier track to drive, hopefully attracting more cars.


  22.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  06.27.2014 - 10:33 pm
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Withdrew
44 J.J. Yeley All City Leasing & Warehousing Chevy Johnathan Cohen
Crew Chief Steve Lane


  23.   joey2448 posted:
  06.27.2014 - 11:06 pm
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In my opinion, the track that needs to go the most is Kansas. That place
just flat out sucks (sorry David), and Texas isn't far behind. Why those
tracks have two dates is beyond me.


  24.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.27.2014 - 11:17 pm
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"I know it will never happen, but hopefully Nascar will just say "screw
this place" and drop Kentucky from the schedule next year. Not only is
the racing horrid (last year's race here was the only one in four years
that has been moderately good), but they have just had all sorts of
problems. To start off, they had the downright pathetic parking/traffic
problems in their inaugural year, and now, this track has proven to be
so mediocre and meaningless that 43 teams won't even show up to compete
(I know that's not the only reason for the low entry list this weekend,
but I believe it's a major part of it).

Despite whatever brainwashing Boss Hog and his empire are doing to
Nascar's brass, this place doesn't deserve a Cup race. Nascar giving
this race to either Iowa or another road course would be one of the best
decisions they could make."

More likely Bruton will try to use Kentucky's date as a way to try to
get his dream of a 2nd Vegas race; being the finale or at least in a
future rotation of "THE ONLY RACE THAT MATTERS!!!"(patent pending).


  25.   irony posted:
  06.27.2014 - 11:25 pm
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Kentucky has longer turns and shorter straights than the other 1.5
tri-ovals which should make for better racing, but it's actually the
worst. I think it's just too wide. I'd like to see one of these 1.5s
made into a true roval. Take the backstretch out and replace it with a
road course layout. Not just a chicane like at Daytona, but something
unique.


  26.   David posted:
  06.27.2014 - 11:35 pm
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Selfishly, I'm hoping Jeff completes the track-sweep before Kentucky is
taken off...


  27.   David posted:
  06.28.2014 - 12:05 am
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"That place just flat out sucks (sorry David)"

Was I defending it? I do disagree that it's the worst track, however. I
think that would have to be Las Vegas (the 2013 race was moderately
good, but that's about it), Chicago, or Kentucky.

"Why those tracks have two dates is beyond me."

It makes me absolutely sick that Kansas got a second date simply because
Sprint is headquartered there. Unfortunately, that's how the world works
in NASCAR today.


  28.   cjs3872 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 12:22 am
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You mean like the old track at Trenton, NJ was, irony. That track had a
reverse kink in it on the backstretch.

And I've always considered Kentucky to be like the Talladega of the 1.5
mile tracks, because it's so much wider than any of the others are. And
when the track's repaved (and it's not if, but when because of the
potential safety hazards), speeds will likely approach, if not exceed
200 MPH, even with a reduction in horsepower.

But seriously, I think many of the tracks that have two dates should
have one of theirs go the way of one of Atlanta's, and go away from the
schedule. I think the tracks that have one of the crown jewel races
(Charlotte, Daytona, and Talladega, since Indy and Darlington have only
one race) and the short tracks can have two races, but not any of the
others. Relieving tracks such as Pocono, Kansas, Dover, Phoenix, and
Loudon of one race will open up the opportunity for other tracks, such
as Iowa Speedway, as well as possibly one more road course to be added
to the schedule. Either that or make the race distance of the two races
at the same track different, something that was actually done at Phoenix
several years ago, just to separate the two events apart.

For instance, I have no problem with there being two races at Texas and
Michigan, but make one of them 400 miles and the other one 500 miles, to
set the two apart. And if you take one race away from someplace like
Pocono or Kansas, which hold two 400-mile races, then make the other one
a 500-mile affair, which I think should be done at Auto Club Speedway
(but this would be a bad idea for Dover, as the 400-mile distance there
is plenty long enough). And I've said this before, but whatever track
holds the finale, if it's a speedway (like Homestead), that race should
be 500 miles, which has always been auto racing's test of champions.

Now as for the 42-car field for the race at Kentucky, hence a short
field, I don't think that's such a bad thing. In fact, I've been
predicting for a couple of years now that there would be a short field
for a Cup Series race in the not-too-distant future, though the last set
of circumstances I thought it would be under would be a weekend where
all three of NASCAR's top series were competing at the same track on the
same weekend, if for no other reason than the fact that there are no
shortage of drivers this weekend. I thought it would happen on a weekend
like last weekend, when the series were split, making the driver pool
shallower. But I think a short field may make for freer flowing race
because there isn't the amount of garbage equipment that you would have
if the last few cars were last-second throw-ins just to have a full
field. That's why the races two and three years ago that had so many
start-and-parks had such a better flow to them. Because they were off
the track and not becoming obstacles for the other competitors.


  29.   Sky Warrior posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:04 am
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I don't really care how bad this place is. If it gets dropped from the
schedule before Jeff scores a win here to complete his sweep of every
Cup track, I'll be white hot angry. He's got a shot to do something no
one's ever done, and no one else active even looks like a threat. If he
retires never having gotten a win here, it's one thing. But if it just
gets dropped from the schedule after only a few shots, with 2 of those
being 2 of the worst seasons of his career, that would just be a gut
punch to one of the sport's all-time greats. And no, I'm not saying
NASCAR owes it to him to keep racing here


  30.   Sarf52 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:09 am
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Tony Stewart should lead a band of drivers and found a new series to end
the trembling bullshit of NASCAR. 42 car fields? Tracks like Kentucky
GETTING a date?

Introducing Tony Stewart's All-Star Touring Series: 31 drivers, no BS.
We go dirt racing, we go super speedway racing, we run road courses and
maybe even a street race! Young up and comers take on veterans of all
facets of Motorsports in an epic racing duel. Sponsors will flock to
this new, exciting brand of racing, highlighted by Tony, the ever
popular Danica, and a cast of wild cards like Jacques Villenueve and
Robby Gordon. Exclusively shown on NBCSN, until it overtakes NASCAR in
popularity and moves to NBC full time.

The TSASTS, let's make it happen!


  31.   joey2448 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:13 am
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"Was I defending it?"

Oh...I thought you were from Kansas?


  32.   David posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:23 am
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'Oh...I thought you were from Kansas?"

I'm a proud Jayhawker, but that doesn't automatically mean I think
Kansas Speedway is a great race track (it's not, but I don't think it
"flat out sucks", as you say).


  33.   Daniel posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:28 am
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Go Gordon!


  34.   Anonymous posted:
  06.28.2014 - 2:06 am
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Former NASCAR repeat druggie failure Brian Rose is now apparently also a
Ponzi schemer.


  35.   JRacingFast posted:
  06.28.2014 - 2:51 am
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Am i the only one on that page that at least kind of likes
Kansas??....Well at least after they repaved it ive became a small fan
of it


  36.   nascar_vd / racing-reference.info posted:
  06.28.2014 - 3:06 am
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The last time in Sprint Cup with not a complete starting grid of 43 cars
was in 2001 with the final race of the season at Loudon (42 cars).

The fewest field ever in Sprint was 12 cars (7 times).
1953 Hickory
1956 Oklahoma City
1959 Nashville
1961 Richmond
1964 Savanah (first race)
1964 Savanah (2nd race)
1964 Myrtle Beach

Also a lot of race with 13 cars:
1950 Winchester
1960 Sumter
1962 Valdosta

Compared with the biggest field ever in race with 82 at 1951 Darlington
follow by 75 at 1950 Darlington.

Just for info the biggest entry list in Cup Series was 113 cars (51
positions for the race and 62 DNQ) at 1972 Ontario. A combi race between
the Winston Cup and the Winston West Series. Not the same time !


  37.   RWR #71 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 4:17 am
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#93 car is back? 4 teams in BK Racing!


  38.   23andJoe posted:
  06.28.2014 - 5:15 am
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>I am surprised that a small team like HScott or something didn't throw
in a renumbered backup car with a Nationwide or Truck driver.

They even have the team for it (52).


  39.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:36 am
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@30 Remember,If that happened,it could be extremely detrimental to the
health of Stock Car Racring. Remember,after the CART-IRL split,AOWR's
popularity dropped significantly,and has never completely recovered.


  40.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:03 am
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#29 your right. Stewart and Johnson never won at the Rock


  41.   Jaws_fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:14 am
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This is not a travisty people, it's just one less field filler to ride
around and clog up the track. NASCAR should really consider bringing
back variable fields. Have qualifying races too, this knockout crap is
more infuriating then exciting


  42.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:37 am
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"I don't really care how bad this place is. If it gets dropped from the
schedule before Jeff scores a win here to complete his sweep of every
Cup track, I'll be white hot angry. He's got a shot to do something no
one's ever done, and no one else active even looks like a threat. If he
retires never having gotten a win here, it's one thing. But if it just
gets dropped from the schedule after only a few shots, with 2 of those
being 2 of the worst seasons of his career, that would just be a gut
punch to one of the sport's all-time greats. And no, I'm not saying
NASCAR owes it to him to keep racing here "

I checked. They're wrong. Richard Petty did have a win on every active
track in 1981.


  43.   Rexrobe posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:42 am
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Thinking about this race, I have really come to realize how
"Midwesternized" NASCAR has become in the last twenty years.

NASCAR has a reputation for being a Southern sport, but that presence is
really confined, and dare I say over-saturated, in the South Atlantic -
North Carolina, Virginia, Eastern Tennessee, and Darlington. Aside from
three races in Atlanta and Talladega that are not too far from each
other, that's it for the Deep South until you get to Texas. (Florida,
like any good Southerner would tell you, is its own different creature.)

So there are a lot of Southern markets - Nashville, Memphis, New
Orleans, Houston, Mobile, Charleston/Savannah, Austin/San Antonio -
which one would expect NASCAR to have some presence where there is none.

Meanwhile, Chicago, Indy, Kentucky, and Michigan have five Cup dates
between them in a pretty small geographic area. Add in the Nationwide
races at Road America, Chicago, and Mid-Ohio and the Truck dates in
Eldora and St. Louis, and that is a lot of races in markets which would
not really be considered "NASCAR towns" 20 years ago.

Now, I don't really have a problem with the Midwest, I mean, I lived in
Indianapolis for 15 years, but it's just interesting to me to see how
heavily NASCAR has invested in the region when other markets which could
support races are underserved. Certainly the Pacific Northwest deserves
a race, and the Denver area, and California and New England could handle
another N'Wide or Truck date.

When you look at the decline in attendance and TV ratings, and you plot
the track locations on a map, you really begin to see how NASCAR is
relying on the same population of fans to fill their 100,000+ capacity
tracks multiple times per year, with each trip to the track being a
multiple hundreds of dollars experience. No wonder things are the way
they are... Makes me wonder how a Cup series that has a bit fewer races
in a broader area, coupled with real support for regional series racing
at smaller venues, would do compared to what we have today.

Those of you that made it through this wall of text, thanks for reading.


  44.   RaceFanX posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:13 am
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NASCAR tried to get a race in the Pacific Northwest and got heavy
political pushback so they gave up. IIRC a politician up there famously
called NASCAR fans "not the type of people you'd want to associate with"
and ignorantly called Richard Petty a drunk driver.

Why go where you aren't wanted?


  45.   Memphis Jim posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:16 am
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Did NASCAR try to adapt an existing facility, like Portland or
Evergreen, or want to come in and build yet another 1.5 mile cookie
cutter tri-oval?

'Cause I wouldn't want one of those built near me, either.


  46.   Eric posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:23 am
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@34,

I remembered Brian Rose when he was racing for Bobby Hamilton Racing in
the truck series in 2002. I don't think many other people remember him
though.


  47.   Eric posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:51 am
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Rexrobe,

the reasons NASCAR became "Midwesternized" as you put it is easy.

The open wheel split was one of the big reasons for it. Both us know
that the split in Indycar really hurt that series in popularity. I am
saying this as a person who grew up in Wisconsin back in the 1980's and
1990's. Wisconsin really was an open wheel state based on how popular
the Milwaukee Mile and Elkart Lake was before the split for CART Races
despite Wisconsin had drivers in the cup series before the open wheel
split. Wisconsin was at the time was known for short track and open
wheel racing.

USAC hasn't had a Stock Car division since around the mid 1980's and
that meant NASCAR could take a risk in the Midwest. My dad matter of
fact remember the USAC Stock Car division days matter of fact. Fred
Lorenzen was one of the drivers that raced in NASCAR that actually came
from the USAC Stock car division.

NASCAR also looked at how popular their Michigan Cup races were in
Michigan and figured they could expand the market.

That means NASCAR had the amount of tracks in the Midwest on their
schedule is due to the potential market since that era does have a
history of racing.


  48.   Eric posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:56 am
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Memphis Jim,

NASCAR actually raced in Evergreen and Portland in the truck series. The
thing thing is NASCAR actually looked at building a track in Washington
that would have been a short track with it being a 3/4 of a mile. The
locations NASCAR looked at was Snohomish County and Marysville.


  49.   The Crimson King posted:
  06.28.2014 - 12:44 pm
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I find it curious that Gordon qualifies 3rd and no other Hendrick driver
qualifies better than 20th.

Kenseth is my pick to win, but I'd like to see Gordon win on every track.


  50.   Anonymous posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:08 pm
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The only reason the 93 is in this race is because there were 42 cars on
the entry list and the 93 would've made it a 43 car field, but then the
44 of J.J. Yeley withdrew, thus bringing the field back down to 42.

As for the large number of Midwest tracks, I think it has something to
do with the midwest's heritage of racing with Indycars. The only Midwest
tracks the Indycar Series still races on, besides Indianapolis, are
Mid-Ohio and Milwaukee. So NASCAR is giving the Midwest a bunch of races
because the Indycar Series won't. The ARCA Series has a lot of Midwest
races, but they're not as popular.


  51.   Sean posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:22 pm
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"Richard Petty did have a win on every active track in 1981."

Petty, Pearson, and Yarborough won on every track on the 1985 schedule,
but when Watkins Glen was added in 1986 (after all of them had stopped
winning, and where none of them had won in the '60s), that ended that.

So drivers HAVE swept the series's tracks before, just not at the time
of their retirement.

"The only Midwest tracks the Indycar Series still races on, besides
Indianapolis, are Mid-Ohio and Milwaukee. So NASCAR is giving the
Midwest a bunch of races because the Indycar Series won't."

IndyCar can't afford to because they can't get title sponsors while even
Nationwide apparently can. They also think Milwaukee and Road America
can't coexist on the same schedule and Michigan and Detroit can't
coexist on the same schedule even though they did just fine on the CART
schedule. I can understand historically why Milwaukee would be chosen
over Road America, but Detroit makes no sense except for financial
reasons. Considering they race in California 3 times (and in LA two
different weekends) I'm not at all sure I agree...


  52.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:32 pm
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"The only reason the 93 is in this race is because there were 42 cars on
the entry list and the 93 would've made it a 43 car field, but then the
44 of J.J. Yeley withdrew, thus bringing the field back down to 42."

It will be interesting to see if there is a boost in the prize money for
any or multiple BK cars this weekend.

"IndyCar can't afford to because they can't get title sponsors while
even Nationwide apparently can. They also think Milwaukee and Road
America can't coexist on the same schedule and Michigan and Detroit
can't coexist on the same schedule even though they did just fine on the
CART schedule. I can understand historically why Milwaukee would be
chosen over Road America, but Detroit makes no sense except for
financial reasons. Considering they race in California 3 times (and in
LA two different weekends) I'm not at all sure I agree... "

It's a double standard. It's quite laughable they have two LA races when
Long Beach is the only open-wheel race to do well in California, and
this year was the first time NASCAR ever had a respectable crowd at
Fontana. Just says the lies sporting bodies will go through to be in a
"major market." Same in all sports: look at the NFL lie through their
teeth to try to get a team to move to L.A., and think of how many
players in the NBA and NHL are willing to never win a championship just
so they can say they play for a New York team.


  53.   Eric posted:
  06.28.2014 - 1:48 pm
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Anonymous Poster 50 is correct about the large number of Midwest tracks
as a person who lives in Wisconsin, but it a bit deeper than Indy
Racing. I got my start following racing by watching Indycars back in the
1980's.

The Midwest was USAC country for racing even before CART. USAC had Indy
Car and Stock car racing besides Sprint cars, Midgets, and Quarter midgets.

I mentioned the USAC stock car division because NASCAR under Bill France
Sr. looked at the USAC Stock car division as a rival to NASCAR.


  54.   cjs3872 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 2:39 pm
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I think the saturation of Midwest tracks has been a large part of why
attendance at places like Michigan and Indy has badly sagged in recent
years. When they began racing at Indy in 1994, Indy and Michigan were
the only two NASCAR Cup Series tracks located in the Midwest. But since
then, tracks have been added in Kansas, Chicago, and now Kentucky, plus
there are now two races at Kansas. That means that seven races on the
Cup Series schedule are in the Midwest, and since they can't race there
but in the summer, due to the wild weather, each of the races in the
Midwest actually suck the attendance out of the others. That's another
reason these tracks should only have one date. The fact that all seven
Midwest dates have to be between late-spring and early-fall puts a lot
of pressure on all the Midwest tracks that hold Cup races. It's not like
Texas, the southeast, and the west coast, where races can be run
virtually any time in the year. The Midwest has a certain time period
that races can be run in, and with so many races in one region of the
country being run in a comparatively short period of time, it adversely
affects every race run in that part of the country, from an attendance
point of view.


  55.   The Crimson King posted:
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Imagine the track variety we could have if we cut:

-Kansas (It can keep the day race)
-Michigan (Cut one date and bump the race to 500 miles)
-Dover (It's a one mile Bristol. Without the excitement of Bristol. Not
all that interesting. Cut a date)
-New Hampshire (I've honestly never cared for this track and wouldn't be
sad if it lost both dates, but anyone one else is free to defend the
track if they want)
-Kentucky (It won't get cut because it's new, but goddamn this track sucks.)
-Texas (Why does this track have a night race?)

I would also alter one of the Pocono dates to 500 miles but I really
like Pocono and don't want to see it lose a date.

With this, we could add:

-2nd Darlington date. One for the old Southern 500 and a 400 mile event.
It feels weird only having the Southern 500 on the schedule.
-Revive Rockingham for a single date. I don't think Rockingham works as
a 2x race, but a single date could work.
-Add Road America
-Add Either Mid-Ohio or the Austin road course
-Add Iowa
-And finally, add some race out in the Northwest, assuming that there's
a racetrack out there interested in Nascar. If that doesn't work, then
give Iowa a second date I guess.


  56.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  06.28.2014 - 3:21 pm
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Everyone is talking about how Jeff Gordon has won on every track except
this one. Well, I think Gordon will be the winner of this race as the
stage seems to be set already for it. It will either be Jeff or one of
the Penske cars (those guys have a LOT of speed this year). I just have
that feeling that Jeff is gonna get Kentucky marked off of his list as
soon as possible so he can say he has won at every track he has raced on
in Cup.


  57.   Seagal posted:
  06.28.2014 - 5:44 pm
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Guys, Kenseth actually looked good in practice for once. I have high
hopes. :D


Stay away rain!


  58.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 6:00 pm
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I know there's a page for this, but Carlos Huertas just WON the IndyCar
race in Houston!!!!!!


  59.   jabber1990 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 6:02 pm
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Stewart to the back for a Transmission change


  60.   23andJoe posted:
  06.28.2014 - 6:12 pm
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@Crimson King:

>Imagine the track variety we could have if we cut:

>Kansas (It can keep the day race)
Agreed

>Michigan (Cut one date and bump the race to 500 miles)
Agreed

>Dover (It's a one mile Bristol. Without the excitement of Bristol. Not
all that interesting. Cut a date)
Not going to happen, for the simple reason that Dover Downs is one of
the few tracks on the schedule NOT owned by either NASCAR...er I mean
ISC...or SMI. As a "third party track" it's something they can point to
as saying 'see, open access', and therefore it's not going to lose a Cup
date until pigs fly.

>New Hampshire (I've honestly never cared for this track and wouldn't be
sad if it lost both dates, but anyone one else is free to defend the
track if they want)
New Hampshre isn't really a BAD track, it's just, by comparison, not a
really GREAT one. I could take or leave the second date; New England as
a whole needs two dates, though, and there aren't really any other
tracks that Cup could possibly run at (awesome as a Cup race at Oxford
Plains might be).

>Kentucky (It won't get cut because it's new, but goddamn this track sucks.)
New, and again, the only track in the market. It's going to stick, like
it or not.

>Texas (Why does this track have a night race?)
Texas really should be a one-date track, yes.

>I would also alter one of the Pocono dates to 500 miles but I really
like Pocono and don't want to see it lose a date.
They only reecently CUT Pocono from 500 to 400 miles because teams and
drivers were tired of running the 24 Hours of Pocono twice a year. The
only way Pocono's going back to a 500 is if they cut one of the races.


>With this, we could add:

>2nd Darlington date. One for the old Southern 500 and a 400 mile event.
It feels weird only having the Southern 500 on the schedule.
Yep; Darlington deserves two dates. The question is, will the fans turn
out for two dates? Like it or not one reason Darlington got cut back
was, as I recall, a lack of overall fan support.

Regardless of anything else though the 500 absolutely needs to be run on
Labor Day afternoon.


>Revive Rockingham for a single date. I don't think Rockingham works as
a 2x race, but a single date could work.
Andy Hillenburg tried, bless his heart, but they ran out of money and
the track is closed again. This would be awesome, but it, alas, is
radically unlikely.

>Add Road America
I'd personally rather see Cup at the Milwaukee Mile, but as pigs will
fly first I could live with this. Make it the Great American Tailgate,
brats for everyone!

>Add Either Mid-Ohio or the Austin road course
Mid-Ohio is too narrow and tight for Cup cars; it can barely handle
Nationwide. Running at Austin could be cool though; what would be
awesome would be Cup and F1 running a joint weekend, but again, porcine
aviators.

>Add Iowa
I'm actually going to say "no" to this, oddly enough. Why? The track is
awesome and deserves a date, but we already have too few standalone
Nationwide races as it is. This would de facto add another Kyle Busch
Benefit Race to the Nationwide schedule.

That aside, yes please.


>And finally, add some race out in the Northwest, assuming that there's
a racetrack out there interested in Nascar. If that doesn't work, then
give Iowa a second date I guess.
See above re: Iowa second date. As for the Northwest...unless they run
at Portland International Raceway it's not a case of any tracks out
there being interested, it's a case of any tracks out there being
CAPABLE, and the answer is "no". And bacon will rain from the skies like
mana from Heaven before they build one out there.


  61.   Eric posted:
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@ 23andJoe,

Milwaukee Mile doesn't have the seating for a cup race. I also said that
due to the owners of the race track aka the State of Wisconsin. The
Wisconsin Star Fair board makes it hard for promoters based on what I
gathered in the past. The race track goes through a lot of promoters
because of the Wisconsin Star Fair Board.

The Star Fair Board actually has a history of not being capable of
selling lemonade at lemonade stand. I am saying that the board sold
properties in the past and they suddenly are able to make money after
not able to make money under the State Fair Board.


  62.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:05 pm
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I actually really liked the idea for the race track in Staten Island,
New York City, both the location with the Lower Manhattan skyline as the
backdrop for the track and the track design of a 3/4 mile oval. But
alas...New York City is very welcoming to NASCAR and a lot of NASCAR
fans aren't very welcoming to New York City (although I personally love
New York City).


  63.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:08 pm
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"But alas...New York City is very welcoming to NASCAR and a lot of
NASCAR fans aren't very welcoming to New York City (although I
personally love New York City)."

Not to mention it would be a logistical nightmare to get that many
people into Staten Island. It's a burden getting people from there to
work in Manhattan on an average day. So in that respect, I can
understand why the Big Apple didn't want it.


  64.   Eric posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:08 pm
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Dover would only stay or get a rid of both dates because of 2 facts. The
Spring race had attendance issues and the owners of the track are
hurting for money.

I don't see ISC or SMI wanting to buy the track for keeping a date
because the attendance over there is a concern.


  65.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:14 pm
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"I actually really liked the idea for the race track in Staten Island,
New York City, both the location with the Lower Manhattan skyline as the
backdrop for the track and the track design of a 3/4 mile oval. But
alas...New York City is very welcoming to NASCAR and a lot of NASCAR
fans aren't very welcoming to New York City (although I personally love
New York City)."

Being from the area, I was hoping for it too. In my opinion, the best
plan to get a racetrack in the NYC area is to make a deal with the NJ
S&E Authority to knock down the Izod Center(Nets play in Brooklyn, the
Devils are in Newark now) and use that space and the adjacent parking in
that area to build a 5/8 mile short track; perhaps having the banking
low enough like Richmond or Iowa so that NASCAR and IndyCar can race
there. The parking on the other side of the Meadowlands for MetLife
Stadium and the horse track can be used for fans during that weekend(s).


  66.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:23 pm
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There was a typo in my post #62. I said New York City is very welcoming
to NASCAR, but that's obviously not the case, although I did by a Dale
Sr./Dale Jr. picture in Times Square the last time I went. And I have
heard more people from NYC watch NASCAR than any other city, but that's
probably because there are more people in NYC than any other city.

Also, completely irrelevant to New York City or race tracks, but why
doesn't DeLana Harvick wear here fire suits anymore?


  67.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:24 pm
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"Imagine the track variety we could have if we cut:

-Kansas (It can keep the day race)
>Definitely drop one date from Kansas, I think both is too much to ask for.

-Michigan (Cut one date and bump the race to 500 miles)
>I agree with the date cutting, but why would you extend the race? Do
you really want to see more Michigan?

-Dover (It's a one mile Bristol. Without the excitement of Bristol. Not
all that interesting. Cut a date)
>Dover can sometimes be good, it should be a last resort to cut it.

-New Hampshire (I've honestly never cared for this track and wouldn't be
sad if it lost both dates, but anyone one else is free to defend the
track if they want)
>It can be good, I say keep the first date.

-Kentucky (It won't get cut because it's new, but goddamn this track sucks.)
>Probably not going anywhere soon, it is a new track that Brainless
Brian loves.

-Texas (Why does this track have a night race?)
Get rid of a date. Might as well keep one to appeal to that region.

I would also alter one of the Pocono dates to 500 miles but I really
like Pocono and don't want to see it lose a date.
>Get rid of one, don't change distance.

With this, we could add:

-2nd Darlington date. One for the old Southern 500 and a 400 mile event.
It feels weird only having the Southern 500 on the schedule.
>I never really liked Darlington, but a second date would be a popular
decision. Move the Southern 500 back to labor day, or at least mothers day.

-Revive Rockingham for a single date. I don't think Rockingham works as
a 2x race, but a single date could work.
>Good idea, but I'm not sure that the track is still in business. The
K&N Finale last year was cancelled mid-season, and the truck date wasn't
brought back.

-Add Road America
>I would love to see this. It puts on a great show in Nationwide, but
then again Nationwide Road Course racing is always better than Cup in my
opinion.

-Add Either Mid-Ohio or the Austin road course
>Maybe Mid-Ohio, I just don't see Austin working out, although it would
be cool.

-Add Iowa
>Maybe, but I fear that it would end up as one of those races that
everyone dreads.
-And finally, add some race out in the Northwest, assuming that there's
a racetrack out there interested in Nascar. If that doesn't work, then
give Iowa a second date I guess."
>The only track that is possible is Portland, unless some major
improvements are made to places like Spokane County Raceway. Pikes Peak
is also an option, although it is not in the NW.

As a New Yorker, I have always wanted a race in the NYC area. Although,
the only track that is capable of holding a race is Lime Rock, and that
is around 2 hours away. NASCAR was planning on building a track in
Staten Island, but the land was bought by someone else.


  68.   startandparkfan posted:
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Chad's Hair Plugs, I like the idea of a track at the Meadowlands, it is
one of the only areas around that would be suitable for a NASCAR track.
You would be surprised how many NASCAR fans there are around here.


  69.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:29 pm
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">Add Iowa
I'm actually going to say "no" to this, oddly enough. Why? The track is
awesome and deserves a date, but we already have too few standalone
Nationwide races as it is. This would de facto add another Kyle Busch
Benefit Race to the Nationwide schedule."

That would be a problem. Maybe the cup race could be run on a separate
weekend. This would actually create a new standalone race.


  70.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:31 pm
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I wish people would give decent commands nowadays...


  71.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:33 pm
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I would like to see Jeff Gordon win and have at least one win at every
active Cup track. But based on practice and qualifying, the Penske,
Ganassi and Gibbs cars have good shots.


  72.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:35 pm
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Is that F1 race in New Jersey ever going to happen? It's not technically
NYC, but if that ever happened I would tune in and watch because I think
seeing Manhattan as a backdrop for any race would be cool even if the
race itself was a dud.


  73.   Seagal posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:35 pm
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Lovely anthem.


  74.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:35 pm
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@s&pfan,
I think that's the only reasonable area that won't run afoul of
enviromentalists or zoning issues and would be the most cost efficient.
The area is also used to having 80,000 fans coming in and out of the
area and it would be only add 2-3 more instances of heavy traffic a year
added to the NFL games and the occasional Springsteen, U2, or Bon Jovi
concert.

I know about the racing fans in general in the area, I know several
people that have/had season tickets for Pocono and Dover. I've really
been hoping for the F1 Grand Prix in NJ to be added to the schedule. My
sister's apartment is a 10-15 minute walk to the proposed track location.


  75.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:35 pm
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Just 42 cars tonight.


  76.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:37 pm
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200th career start for JoLo.


  77.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:40 pm
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Bold prediction: At least 3 cautions will be for "debris" tonight.


  78.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:42 pm
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Green!


  79.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:43 pm
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Jeff Gordon gets very loose and nearly takes out himself and Denny Hamlin.


  80.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:46 pm
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Go Gordon!


  81.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:46 pm
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Would like to either see Jr. or someone who hasn't won yet this year win
tonight. But I wouldn't be disappointed if Gordon won, either.


  82.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:46 pm
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As we watch this race,let us remember our departed friend,KFC Bone
Eater. Goodnight sweet prince.


  83.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:46 pm
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I noticed just before the race that TNT's new tagline has changed from
TNT: We know commercials to..
TNT Commercials...BOOM!


  84.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:47 pm
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Let all of us eat the bones.


  85.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:49 pm
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So how will Harvick's good car be ruined?

Blown Tire.
Accident.
Sinkhole developing in the track right underneath his car.


  86.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:51 pm
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"So how will Harvick's good car be ruined?

Blown Tire.
Accident.
Sinkhole developing in the track right underneath his car."

Aliens abduct the #4 car.


  87.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:52 pm
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TNT

#WeLoveCommercials


  88.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:55 pm
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I vote for milestone and history for Jeff tonight, but the likely winner
will be one of the Penske cars.


  89.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:56 pm
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Caution is out for Denny Hamlin...which will probably count as the
competition caution.


  90.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:56 pm
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Kyle Busch is really on the move right now. He's charged his way up to
the top 10.

And Denny Hamlin just pounded the wall a lap before the competition
caution!


  91.   Cornys posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:57 pm
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I'm going to go to a race soon just to throw a bucket of KFC bones onto
the track. "Bone Debris"


  92.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:57 pm
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"So how will Harvick's good car be ruined?

Blown Tire.
Accident.
Sinkhole developing in the track right underneath his car.

Aliens abduct the #4 car."
A Nuclear Warhead lands on his car,no other car is harmed



  93.   David posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:57 pm
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Hamlin hits the wall. Possibly a tire issue.


  94.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:57 pm
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Uh oh, Denny's doing some extra stretching getting out of the car.
I was concerned about he and Jeff with Kentucky's bumpy track.


  95.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:58 pm
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Denny either blew a tire or broke something. His car just shot right
into the wall.


  96.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:58 pm
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Ouch...


  97.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:59 pm
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"So how will Harvick's good car be ruined?

Blown Tire.
Accident.
Sinkhole developing in the track right underneath his car.

With the recent rain, my money's on a sinkhole swallowing his car.


  98.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 7:59 pm
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"So how will Harvick's good car be ruined?

Blown Tire.
Accident.
Sinkhole developing in the track right underneath his car."

Somebody messes with Sasquatch and it takes its wrath out on Harvick's
car by picking it up and throwing it over the fence.


  99.   Cornys posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:00 pm
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The attendance at Kentucky has dropped every year even though the
traffic problem was solved following the first race. In just a couple of
years if the schedule doesn't change we'll be seeing a lot of empty
seats here.

Why does every new track need to be a 1.5 mile tri-oval?


  100.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:01 pm
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Keselowski has already lapped a bunch of people.


  101.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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There's the classic TNT audio issues.


  102.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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TNT's audio is skipping again audio is skipping again.


  103.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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The Audio is skipping.


  104.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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"Why does every new track need to be a 1.5 mile tri-oval?"

Just a wild guess, but I would say most seats for the cheap but I would
say most seats for the cheapest price. (Not a typo)


  105.   joey2448 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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Here we go again with TNT's audio problems. *sigh*


  106.   DH101 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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The Dreaded TNT skip...


  107.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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Its back Its back...


  108.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN! IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN!


  109.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:02 pm
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Stands are maybe 40% full per twitter


  110.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:03 pm
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Skipping over.


  111.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:03 pm
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TNT still hasn't fixed their sound problems still hasn't fixed their
sound problems.


  112.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:03 pm
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First time I've heard that lol.


  113.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:04 pm
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Just 3 more weeks...
Just 3 more weeks...


  114.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:04 pm
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"TNT still hasn't fixed their sound problems still hasn't fixed their
sound problems."

I bet this problem will show up in problem will show up in the next two
races as well next two races as well.


  115.   TNT posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:04 pm
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Green flag is out Green flag is out


  116.   David posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:05 pm
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"So how will Harvick's good car be ruined?"

I'm wagering that one of the KFC bone eater's eleven other brothers will
throw a chicken bone on the track. This is Kentucky, after all.


  117.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:07 pm
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I would still rather have TNT than BSPN phoning it in, which is what
they'll do once they take over in a few weeks. TNT's production problems
are ridiculous, but Kyle and Wally make it worth it.


  118.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:10 pm
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Oh yeah, I'll be happy that TNT's run is over until 2 minutes into
NESPN's first pre-race show and dumbbell Daugherty opens his mouth.

I forgot, it can get worse.


  119.   Cornys posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:11 pm
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"Stands are maybe 40% full per twitter"

Blimp view confirms it too. I saw yellow and blue stripes even behind
the flag stand. The tops of the towers were empty as well. I was going
to go (closest race to me) but the track is boring and the prices are
really high. Bristol prices for something about 1/4 the event and race.


  120.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:11 pm
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"Just 3 more weeks...
Just 3 more weeks..."

Then we get lame-duck, lame-ass BSPN...


  121.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:12 pm
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Brad has put 3.3 seconds on Harvick in like 20 laps


  122.   Cornys posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:13 pm
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Over/under on fake yellows with Brad dominant? 2


  123.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:13 pm
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This is kind of a dumb question, but did Denny Hamlin sound different
than he normally does to anyone else?


  124.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:14 pm
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Right now it looks like no one has anything for Keselowski. But of
course this is early in the race...


  125.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:15 pm
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Jimmie Johnson and Kasey Kahne (remember when we used to call them The
Androids?) have been the biggest movers in the race so far. Jimmie is
already up to the top ten after starting 25th, and Kahne is 7th after
starting 20th. If one of those guys has to win, I hope it's Kahne, since
it's been a while since he's won a Cup race.


  126.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:16 pm
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"Right now it looks like no one has anything for Keselowski. But of
course this is early in the race..."

I have a feeling Kyle Busch and Jimmie will have something to say about
that in the near future.


  127.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:16 pm
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"Then we get lame-duck, lame-ass BSPN..."

Dos Jotas..Dos Jotas..Dos Jotas..Dos Jotas

No audio issues, they're just repeating themselves.
(Marty, put the pom-poms away until the race is over)


  128.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:17 pm
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All three Roush cars are running 25th or worse.


  129.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:18 pm
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Jimmie Johnson is now in the top 10. Hooray.


  130.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:18 pm
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Carl is counting down the days until he can get out of these Roush
shitboxes.


  131.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:19 pm
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Over,3.


  132.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:19 pm
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Between the aero fest and TNT's issues, Daytona can't get here soon enough.


  133.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:20 pm
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Apparently, somebody thought my Jimmie Johnson comment was serious
rather than sarcastic...

Michael Annett is having a good run early in this race, he's just
outside the top 20. He's done better in the #7 car this season than I
thought he would.


  134.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:22 pm
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Over/Under on how many appearences Jacques will make during this race? I
say 3

Bold Prediction: Someone besides Brad will win.


  135.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:23 pm
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@134 Even bolder prediction:KFC Bone Eater makes at least 1 comment.


  136.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:23 pm
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OK, since it's clear that passing won't be happening very often tonight,
I think it's time for the crew chiefs to start mixing up the strategies
to keep it somewhat interesting.


  137.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:24 pm
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Jeez, looking at that shot from the blimp, Bruton and Bri-Bri might be
taking turns trying to take it down.


  138.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:24 pm
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Bold prediction: Keselowski will lead 3/4ths of the race only to lose
when somebody beats him using strategy. Or he beats himself.


  139.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:25 pm
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Unless you consider Kentucky a 2013 redemption race like Michigan, there
is no legitimate reason Jimmie Johnson needs to win this race, except
quite possibly to pound the "competition" into the ground (or to the
Nationwide and Truck Series) at mid season.


  140.   Sean posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:25 pm
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"Why does every new track need to be a 1.5 mile tri-oval?"

They claimed back then that those tracks were designed to accommodate
both NASCAR and IndyCar. Kentucky Speedway opened in 2000 so it's not
exactly a new track. It comes from the Fontana/Las
Vegas/Texas/Homestead/Chicagoland/Kansas boom, and given IndyCar's
present state when they can barely get people to attend any oval races
besides the 500 anymore, I would imagine that any new ovals that are
built would likely have vastly different layouts...which would
ironically be more suitable for both NASCAR and IndyCar.


  141.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:26 pm
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Kyle Larson into the wall. Caution.


  142.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:26 pm
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Larson in the wall. Looks like another right front.


  143.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:26 pm
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Kyle Larson is in the wall hard. Another possible tire problem.


  144.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:26 pm
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"Unless you consider Kentucky a 2013 redemption race like Michigan,
there is no legitimate reason Jimmie Johnson needs to win this race,
except quite possibly to pound the "competition" into the ground (or to
the Nationwide and Truck Series) at mid season."

Not that I want Jimmie to win, but I think there's always a legitimate
reason to win a race. If there isn't, then it's time to retire.


  145.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:27 pm
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Aww, man.


  146.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:27 pm
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Jacques be mad at Larson for taking away his time to shine.


  147.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:27 pm
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Larson crashes. This could be a big shakeup in ROTY standings.


  148.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:28 pm
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After the commercial(of course), expect some Harvick audio.
That pit stop was awful.


  149.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:29 pm
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Why did Larson just keep riding the wall? That's just going to damage
the car even more.


  150.   jabber1990 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:29 pm
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PRN was talking about Kyle Larson right before and right when he smacked
the wall


  151.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:30 pm
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"Larson crashes. This could be a big shakeup in ROTY standings."

Another bold prediction: Although Larson has run the best of all the
rookies, Austin Dillon will win RotY because of a few bad races for
Larson (like this) and the fact that he consistently finishes between
11th-20th.


  152.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:30 pm
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Damn you Larson! I was just about to show up!


  153.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:30 pm
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"Why did Larson just keep riding the wall? That's just going to damage
the car even more."

I would imagine it's probably hard to steer the car after you just
plowed into the wall at 150+ MPH.


  154.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:30 pm
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I hate you Kyle.


  155.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:31 pm
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Tires are popping, but they aren't wearing down and giving up like they
do at Auto Club.


  156.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:32 pm
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Zack, the ultimate focus is the 7th championship but wins at this point
of the season serve as warmup acts. Johnson is winless at Kentucky after
coming close last year, so its a de facto redemption race. Jimmie's
never won at the Glen so it will be interesting to see how the #48 team
approaches that race.


  157.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:32 pm
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That's the right rear, Wally...


  158.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:32 pm
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Bold prediction: There will be none or only one set of green flag pit stops.

BoldER prediction: A non-Penske driver will win tonight.

I still think Larson will win Rookie of the Year.


  159.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:33 pm
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Harvick must have the old #78 pit crew from last year. Every week it
seems like they are screwing him in the pits.


  160.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:33 pm
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murb: Couldn't Larson have put his foot on the brake?


  161.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:34 pm
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Every single member of Harvick's pit crew except Rodney Childers need to
be standing in the unemployment line come Monday.
This shit is getting ridiculous.


  162.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:35 pm
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I'm surprised they didn't put up Harvick's audio. Maybe he threw out
F-bombs for 3 minutes straight.


  163.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:36 pm
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"murb: Couldn't Larson have put his foot on the brake?"

Sure, but on the slow motion replay he had about a second to react which
isn't much time in and of itself and he wasn't racing in slow motion so
he had even less time to react.


  164.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:37 pm
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"murb: Couldn't Larson have put his foot on the brake?"

He probably did. When you hit the wall that hard at that speed, it's
pretty hard to control your car. You're basically just along for the
ride until it stops.


  165.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:37 pm
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Here is a tweet from a local fan about Kentucky Speedway.

"yr 1 traffic hell, yr 2 104° temps, yr 3 rained out, yr 4 sitting on
my couch."


  166.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:38 pm
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Kyle Petty just said the new chase is the best thing to happen to
NASCAR. No...just no...


  167.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:38 pm
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I can't remember the last time RCR had three cars in the top ten.


  168.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:39 pm
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"yr 1 traffic hell, yr 2 104° temps, yr 3 rained out, yr 4 sitting on
my couch."

I didn't know Lil Wayne was a Nascar fan.


  169.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:40 pm
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It's funny Wally mentioned that you can't loosen cars up like you could
with the old car becuase I was thinking about starting a conversation
about that earlier this week. They used to make a big deal about how
drivers could loosen other cars up without touching the other car.

So, Brad has a legitimately fast car. It's not just clean air. It's
going to take trapping him back in the field to stop him tonight, methinks.


  170.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:40 pm
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Shout out to Michael Annett running in the top 20!


  171.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:41 pm
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Harvick now thinks he has a loose wheel. That pit crew is pathetic, lol


  172.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:41 pm
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Harvick is reporting a vibration.


  173.   The Long Shot posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:43 pm
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"Kyle Petty just said the new chase is the best thing to happen to
NASCAR. No...just no..."

Well, considering the racing this season has been easily the best we've
seen during the Chase era, I'm not so sure I'd disagree with his
statement. It de-legitimizes the championship even more, but the Chase
made it hard to put much stock in it to begin with.


  174.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:43 pm
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The highest running Ford outside of the Penske cars? Aric Almirola in 13th.


  175.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:44 pm
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Michael Annett has outrun his equipment all year


  176.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:44 pm
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Pretty bold prediction: Landon Cassill wins at Daytona

Boldest prediction yet: Michael Annett or Justin Allgaier wins ROTY

I know, none of that will happen.


  177.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:45 pm
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Harvicks Crew takes 2 hours to complete a pitstop and they still can't
get all the lugs tight...

Forget the jokes about sasquatch, sinkholes & aliens, Harvicks Pit Crew
is a mythical/freak of nature/out of this world entity in itself.


  178.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:46 pm
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Newman is having a great run in 5th. If this comes down to strategy, he
could very well put himself into position to steal a win here.


  179.   RaceFanX posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:47 pm
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Kyle Petty drove a couple laps in a Toyota test car before the race
tonight as part of the pre-race show. Great to see him in the seat again.


  180.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:49 pm
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"Kyle Petty just said the new chase is the best thing to happen to
NASCAR. No...just no..."

I always have to wonder...if NASCAR had always had this system (or
another Chase system) in place and then replaced it with a full season
championship, wouldn't people talk about how horrible and illegitimate
it was? No point in truly debating, but it's a question worth pondering
in my opinion. I think The Chase has it faults, but at the same time I
think the phrase argumentum ad antiquitatem applies to how people feel
about the Chase in some situations.


  181.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:49 pm
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I can't remember the last time RCR had three cars in the top ten.

I think Pop-Pop realized that being uber-conservative isn't going to
guarantee himself a spot or two in the Chase as it has in years past.


  182.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:52 pm
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All the new Chase has done so far is improve the excitement of the
regular season. I'm still pessimistic about how the actual Chase will
unfold though. If the Homestead Super Bowl Extravaganza 400 Presented By
Sprint doesn't turn out to be a total joke, then maybe I'll be a believer.


  183.   DaleSrFanForeverFanForever posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:53 pm
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"I always have to wonder...if NASCAR had always had this system (or
another Chase system) in place and then replaced it with a full season
championship, wouldn't people talk about how horrible and illegitimate
it was?"


No. Because a system that counts EVERY race, instead of only 10, can't
really be illegitimate. Except, when that system failed in 1985 and
1996, but those are only a few rare examples of an unjust points system
from 1949-2003. 1951 is an example, too.


  184.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:53 pm
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@176
Not bold enough.
Zombie Freddie Mercury teams up with zombie Michael Jackson to cobble
together a car made from recycled Soviet tanks #The simpsons. They race
at daytona and are running last on the lead lap on the final lap when
everyone crashes,blows up,runs out of fuel,or has other mechanical
maladies. Mercury and Jackson finish 1-2,happiest day ever,they
celebrate,then start eating everyone at the celebrations brains. Zombie
KFC Bone Eater finishes 3rd,and they team up to use their car-tanks to
blow up Kentucky. Brian France penalizes them for actins detrimental to
stock car racing,but ZomKFC shoves a chicken bone in his mouth ,he then
eats 100 more bones just cause. Mercury gets on his bycicle and pedals
to new hampshire,where they convert their cars back to tanks and wreack
havoc,winning again. Then,they quit and make music.


  185.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:54 pm
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Kyle Busch may be the only car that has anything for Keselowski tonight.


  186.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:55 pm
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Logano has something below his grille.


  187.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:55 pm
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"I think The Chase has it faults, but at the same time I think the
phrase argumentum ad antiquitatem applies to how people feel about the
Chase in some situations."

In fairness, I think it's entirely possible that the phrase argumentum
ad novitatem might apply to staunch defenders of The Chase.


  188.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:56 pm
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Kenseth is off the pace with a possible flat tire.


  189.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:56 pm
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Kenseth is having problems.


  190.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:56 pm
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Kenseth now has a right front down.


  191.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:56 pm
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And Kyle Busch is catching Keselowski in a hurry.


  192.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:57 pm
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Another banner night for RCR v2 aka Roush-Fenway Racing on a high speed
oval.


  193.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:57 pm
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^Its tape, I think.

To make up for the lack of a 43rd car, the TNT crew should have rolled
out the test car, stuck a number on it, and put Petty or Dallenbach in it.


  194.   startandparkfan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:57 pm
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"^Its tape, I think."

That was a reply to #186.


  195.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:58 pm
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184: That sounds epic.

And then the zombie of my Danica Patrick horse comes in 4th and kicks
France after he dies of choking on the bone.


  196.   We need more Onion posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:58 pm
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"To make up for the lack of a 43rd car, the TNT crew should have rolled
out the test car, stuck a number on it, and put Petty or Dallenbach in it. "

That is the #50 Pontiac of Benny Parsons... NASCAR Thunder 2004,
memories :)


  197.   murb posted:
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"To make up for the lack of a 43rd car, the TNT crew should have rolled
out the test car, stuck a number on it, and put Petty or Dallenbach in it."

Yeah. They could have at least ran on par with the Roush cars.


  198.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:59 pm
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Jacques gets his moment in the spotlight. The caution is out for "debris".


  199.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:59 pm
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DeBriS


  200.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 8:59 pm
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I have returned!


  201.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:00 pm
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Did somebody call me?


  202.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:00 pm
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"No. Because a system that counts EVERY race, instead of only 10, can't
really be illegitimate. Except, when that system failed in 1985 and
1996, but those are only a few rare examples of an unjust points system
from 1949-2003. 1951 is an example, too."

I'm pretty sure The Chase counts every race and saying it doesn't is
just ignorance or argumentum ad antiquitatem in my opinion. How do you
qualify for The Chase? The last race obviously counts. (1/36) You have
to win/be high enough in points after the first 26 races, so they count.
(27/36) How do you advance in the 3 rounds of The Chase? You have to
either win, or run well enough in the 3 races within the round to
advance. 3 rounds multiplied by 3 races equals 9 races+the 27 that
already count...36/36. NOPE. Every race counts. Sorry, DSFF.


  203.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:00 pm
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Caution for debris. Probably from Kenseth's car.


  204.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:00 pm
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Never mind, Jacques hasn't shown up yet. That was actual debris.


  205.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:00 pm
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Caution for actual debris?
Jacques is not very happy tonight.


  206.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:01 pm
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#196: NASCAR Thunder 2003, as well.


  207.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:01 pm
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There's a spring rolling.
That may be the 1st debris caution where the debris was actually shown
on TV.


  208.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:01 pm
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No, I am not, #205.


  209.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:02 pm
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Keselowski loses several spots in the pits.


  210.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:03 pm
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Jeff Gordon has an extended pit stop and is now one of the last cars on
the lead lap.


  211.   Zombie Freddie Mercury posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:04 pm
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Watch out! I'm Coming...


  212.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:04 pm
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Holy crap.
Harvicks Pit Crew actually had a pitstop faster than the speed of smell.


  213.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:05 pm
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So thanks to a problem with an air gun, Gordon is probably destined to
finish mid-pack.


  214.   Anonymous posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:05 pm
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So much for the Drive to End slow pit stops.


  215.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:06 pm
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I'm pretty sure The Chase counts every race and saying it doesn't is
just ignorance or argumentum ad antiquitatem in my opinion. How do you
qualify for The Chase? The last race obviously counts. (1/36) You have
to win/be high enough in points after the first 26 races, so they count.
(27/36) How do you advance in the 3 rounds of The Chase? You have to
either win, or run well enough in the 3 races within the round to
advance. 3 rounds multiplied by 3 races equals 9 races+the 27 that
already count...36/36. NOPE. Every race counts. Sorry, DSFF.

Technically, yes. But the races in the 1st 26 along with the 3 races in
each round each account for a different percentage towards the overall
championship compared to the 36th race (HSBE 400 pbS aka TORTM!)


  216.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:06 pm
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Brads crew is doing great


  217.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:06 pm
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Will be interesting to see how long it takes Brad to get back to the
front. Maybe restarting off of the front row will slow him down a bit.


  218.   DaleSrFanForeverFanForever posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:08 pm
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"I'm pretty sure The Chase counts every race and saying it doesn't is
just ignorance or argumentum ad antiquitatem in my opinion. How do you
qualify for The Chase?"

Be careful when you try to point out ignorance, when you don't exactly
know what I meant. The original format allowed a driver to build up a
point lead without any evaporation of points, and didn't allow for fluke
Championship situations. This current one does. Kurt Busch would already
be out of the title hunt in the 1975-2003 format. It's an okay format,
but I do like the 1975-2003 the best.


  219.   cjs3872 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:09 pm
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You know there's an issue when Matt Kenseth has a tire problem, as he
did. One thing the broadcast team mentioned was that, because of the way
the teams are allowed to set up the cars this year, the tires are
actually having to do the work of the entire suspension of the cars,
because there are effectively no springs in the cars' suspensions,
because of the fact that hey can pin them to the ground. In effect,
what's happening this year is that we may be seeing the dawn of ground
effects in NASCAR, unless NASCAR steps in and undoes the rules changes
they put in after last season. After all, this is exactly what happened
in the late 70s and early 80s when ground effects came into IndyCar
racing. And as was the case then, Penske is on top of it now. Their
dominance of the Indianapolis 500 didn't begin until the dawn of the
ground effects era, and their IndyCar experience is definitely paying
off this year, due to the similarities of how they can set their cars
up, and their 30+ years of experience with ground effects in IndyCar
racing.


  220.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:13 pm
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I feel like it has taken this race a lot longer to get dark than the
typical night race. The sky still has quite a bit of blue in it more
than half way through the race.


  221.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:16 pm
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Keselowski back to the lead. He'll win this race barring a problem.


  222.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:16 pm
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Keselowski goes back to the lead, but Kyle Busch is closing in on the
Penske cars.


  223.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:18 pm
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Alex Bowman spins, and Jamie McMurray gets run over while trying to slow
down. Almirola with damage too.


  224.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:18 pm
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Bad Luck Bowman. Bowman spins, McMurray's door is off.


  225.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:18 pm
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Trouble on the backstretch. Alex Bowman spins and Jamie McMurray (Mr.
Unlucky) is collected. Aric Almirola has significant damage as well.


  226.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:19 pm
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I feel like it has taken this race a lot longer to get dark than the
typical night race. The sky still has quite a bit of blue in it more
than half way through the race.

Add this race being the northernmost night race + being close to the
summer solstice.

Jamie Mac can't catch a break; at least in a points race.


  227.   Quasar posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:19 pm
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Why Jamie? WHY ALWAYS JAMIE?


  228.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:19 pm
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So now both Ganassi cars are out of it.


  229.   DaleSrFanForeverFanForever posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:19 pm
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Alex Bowman wrecks as often as Mcmurray gets taken out in a race.


  230.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:19 pm
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McMurray slowed up for Bowman's spin and got nailed by Almirola and Kahne.


  231.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:21 pm
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Finally, some pit strategy. But...everyone does two so nothing really
changes.


  232.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:21 pm
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Didn't Alex Bowman say at Bristol that people called him "Bad Luck Bowman"?


  233.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:22 pm
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The 48 crew has been horrible tonight too. They've lost spots on almost
every stop. Look for Chad to fire those guys this week.


  234.   Zombie Freddie Mercury posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:22 pm
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Is This the real life,is this just fantasy?


  235.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:25 pm
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Luckily if there is any for Jamie is the fact Daytona and Indy are
upcoming so there is hope for a surprise win.


  236.   jabber1990 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:27 pm
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do Bowman's problems come from him overdriving BK's shitty/Broken cars?

I mean look at Kurt Busch in 2012, he wrecked or broke a car that year,
(didn't help that Finch LET him do it)


  237.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:27 pm
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Brads pit crew is either bad or Joeys is REALLY good


  238.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:28 pm
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"The 48 crew has been horrible tonight too. They've lost spots on almost
every stop. Look for Chad to fire those guys this week."

Hopefully he takes Harvicks pit crew ;)


  239.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:28 pm
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Ok,i'll stop now.


  240.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:29 pm
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Kenseth to the back of the field due to a speeding penalty.


  241.   Kyle K. posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:29 pm
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I used to give Alex Bowman the benefit of the doubt for driving junk,
but he's into something every week. BK Racing would do better hiring
Eric McClure if they want to keep their car in one piece.


  242.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:30 pm
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Someone said it early, but this is another really impressive run for
Michael Annett.


  243.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:30 pm
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Keselowski back to the front.


  244.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:31 pm
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Austin Dillon 7th!


  245.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:32 pm
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Good runs for all the RCR fellows tonight.


  246.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:32 pm
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Dillon behind Earnhardt, that's nice to see.


  247.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:33 pm
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I said it, murb.


  248.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:34 pm
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McMurray returns to the track.


  249.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:34 pm
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Dos Jotas is having a so-so race, yet they've had 6-8 updates of his
status tonight.

No wonder Home Depot is leaving NASCAR.


  250.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:36 pm
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"Dos Jotas is having a so-so race, yet they've had 6-8 updates of his
status tonight."

At least it's not as bad as ESPN; they would have spent half the
broadcast talking about his performance thus far.


  251.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:37 pm
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Caution for David Stremme spinning.


  252.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:37 pm
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David Stremme spins,caution.


  253.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:37 pm
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"Dos Jotas is having a so-so race, yet they've had 6-8 updates of his
status tonight.

No wonder Home Depot is leaving NASCAR."

Feels like we've had more Nap-Time Running So-So Updates than Race
Leader Updates tonight.


  254.   David posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:37 pm
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Caution for Stremme.


  255.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:38 pm
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David Stremme spins out, bringing out another yellow.

Jacques must be seething with anger-he hasn't made a single appearance
tonight.


  256.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:40 pm
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Brad stays out, and almost everyone else pits. This should be interesting.


  257.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:40 pm
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I am very angry!


  258.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:40 pm
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Keselowski, Logano, and a few others opt not to pit.


  259.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:40 pm
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Finally, some legitimate pit strategy. Maybe this will shake some things
up. Maybe it won't. Who knows?


  260.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:41 pm
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How about that! Brad and Joey have led every lap so far.


  261.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:44 pm
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Jacques will definitely have his time to shine now drivers have went
"off-script" and playing strategies now.

NASCAR: Average race potentially made interesting by strategy? WE CAN'T
HAVE THAT!!!!
Jacques: I'm on my way NASCAR!


  262.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:46 pm
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This race is looking like about every F1 race this year.
Will it be Lewis or Nico?


  263.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:47 pm
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Lewis Keselowski.


  264.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:48 pm
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Worst race of the year.


  265.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 9:50 pm
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Did someone say Jacques?


  266.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:01 pm
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Caution, as Aric Almirola slams the wall just as green flag pit stops begin.

Once again Jacques is disappointed.


  267.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:01 pm
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Almirola wrecks.


  268.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:01 pm
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Aric Almirola crashes. Caution.


  269.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:02 pm
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This will change things.


  270.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:02 pm
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:'( :'( :'(


  271.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:03 pm
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So Newman, Kyle, Danica, and Jr. might be the top 4 when they go back
green is my understanding.


  272.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:04 pm
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Kyle will be the leader after pit stops.


  273.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:04 pm
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Don't worry Jacques.
They'll throw one out with 3 laps to go for a G-W-C.
Make sure you find some tissues or a hot dog wrapper by then.


  274.   Anonymous posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:04 pm
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Penske loses the lead


  275.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:04 pm
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"So Newman, Kyle, Danica, and Jr. might be the top 4 when they go back
green is my understanding."

I think Danica got caught a lap down.


  276.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:05 pm
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Finally, something that might make this race interesting.


  277.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:05 pm
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Menard takes two tires and beats everyone off pit road. I actually kind
of like that strategy.


  278.   TS1420 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:06 pm
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The Penske leading streak is broken.


  279.   RaceFanX posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:06 pm
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Michael Annett also takes two tires and gets into the top-10.


  280.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:06 pm
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"Don't worry Jacques.
They'll throw one out with 3 laps to go for a G-W-C."

Nah, Jacques will appear just as the leader is about to take the white
flag.


  281.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:06 pm
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Well, actually it looks like Danica went a lap down on her pit stop and
will be the Lucky Dog. Sorry, Danica fans.


  282.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:07 pm
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A NON PENSKE DRIVER LEADS!
KB!


  283.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:07 pm
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Kyle,not Kurt.


  284.   David posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:07 pm
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Out of curiosity, where's Jeff?


  285.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:08 pm
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Jeff is 7th.


  286.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:09 pm
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Well, let's see what Brad can do when he has to race cars other than his
teammate.


  287.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:09 pm
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I like Kenseth getting to 5th with 4 fresh tires.
Gordon's 10th.


  288.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:10 pm
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Keselowski already up to third.


  289.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:10 pm
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Newman is challenging Kyle for the lead. I honestly wouldn't be shocked
if Newman somehow pulled out the win.


  290.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:10 pm
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First time a Penske car hasn't led.


  291.   Jacques posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:10 pm
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Jacques is rooting for Paul Menard.


  292.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:11 pm
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Go Gordon!


  293.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:12 pm
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God forbid there's some continuity in this race, TNT.


  294.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:13 pm
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Kyle Busch is starting to step it out on Newman.


  295.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:14 pm
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Keselowski now to second, but he is nearly two and a half seconds behind
Kyle.


  296.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:18 pm
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Brad is running Kyle down.

Cue another commercial break.


  297.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:18 pm
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Brad was 1.3 back


  298.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:18 pm
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God forbid there's some continuity in this race, TNT.

Boo me if you want, you know I'm right.


  299.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:19 pm
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Brads Coming!


  300.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:20 pm
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Brad closed it to under a second, but Kyle is starting to pick it up.


  301.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:22 pm
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Logano is blowing up.


  302.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:22 pm
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Logano has engine problems.


  303.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:22 pm
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JoLo thinks his engine is done.


  304.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:23 pm
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Brad vs Kyle for the lead.


  305.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:23 pm
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Brad is about to catch Kyle for the lead.

And here he goes. Keselowski back to the lead.


  306.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:24 pm
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Pass for the win right there.


  307.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:24 pm
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Wow. BK passed Kyle like Kyle passes everyone in the 54 Monster car.


  308.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:24 pm
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Race over.


  309.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:25 pm
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For the second night in a row, Kyle doesn't even put up a fight as
someone passes him for the lead late in the race.


  310.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:26 pm
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If Brad doesn't win this race, I will be shocked.


  311.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:26 pm
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Keselowski is on his own now.


  312.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:27 pm
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This race may not be over yet though. Logano's engine sounds like it is
gonna blow any moment.


  313.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:28 pm
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"This race may not be over yet though. Logano's engine sounds like it is
gonna blow any moment."

That's what will probably cause the GWC...


  314.   Thomas posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:30 pm
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Kyle, Please don't compare Brad to Rowdy. Brad has more class than Rowdy
ever will--and a Cup title to boot.


  315.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:32 pm
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Hey, somebody is using my JoLo nickname. :D


  316.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:33 pm
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Brad Keselowski wins!


  317.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:33 pm
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Hey, somebody is using my JoLo nickname. :D

5 other guys took Dos Jotas from me.
It's called sharing :D


  318.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:33 pm
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Brad wins. Another snoozefest Kentucky race.


  319.   Rick Allen posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:34 pm
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Another stunning race at Kentucky.


  320.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:34 pm
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Yay! The race is over!


  321.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:34 pm
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Keselowski caps off an utterly dominating performance by taking the win
at Kentucky.

This race was...eh. It's Kentucky. Not the worst race ever, but nothing
particularly memorable. But at least Jacques didn't make any appearances
tonight! :D


  322.   epzik8 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:36 pm
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Glad Brad won but yeah, it wasn't anything special and I'm glad it's over.


  323.   ii posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:36 pm
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Why do I fell like Kyle Petty is going to use the phrase "he's just
plugging along" like Rusty uses "he's flat flyin'" all the time? He just
said that phrase like 8 times in the last 6 laps.


  324.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:36 pm
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Another good run by Michael Annett in Tommy Baldwin's #7-he got a top 20
in 18th. He might actually be good if he had the right equipment...


  325.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:38 pm
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Woo Brad!, Boring race though when i say boring i mean BORING


  326.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:38 pm
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"Another good run by Michael Annett in Tommy Baldwin's #7-he got a top
20 in 18th. He might actually be good if he had the right equipment..."

Since Annett has been brought up several times tonight,

Was his departure from RPM on good terms? I wonder if Annett could
return to RPM in Cup once Ambrose gets sent back to Australia.


  327.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:38 pm
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TNT: We Know Anti-drama!
I miss road racing. This was a springboard race for Penske and Gibbs.


  328.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:39 pm
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This is what you call putting on a clinic.

When was the last time one organization so totally dominated a race. The
fact the Joey still finished ninth with an engine that was gonna blow
any second is just testament that Penske brought everything to bare this
weekend.

Still doesn't make up for the fact that Kentucky gave us another borefest.


  329.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:41 pm
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I would love to see Michael Annett get a shot in good equipment. He and
Allgaier have both put up some pretty impressive results in their
low-tier cars. I think both of them would be great replacements for
Ambrose in the 9 car.


  330.   murb posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:42 pm
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"When was the last time one organization so totally dominated a race."

I don't know, but I'm willing to bet that the team that did it was
Hendrick.


  331.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:45 pm
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Hendrick at Charlotte last fall, but they didnt win


  332.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:46 pm
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I say it every week, but TNT has OUTSTANDING post race coverage. They
interview all of the top 6.


  333.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  06.28.2014 - 10:47 pm
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Danica honestly finished worse than she ran, in my opinion.


  334.   ColorMorale posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:05 pm
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Total domination, way to go Brad K, not your biggest fan but hey, ya
kicked ass tonight


  335.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:16 pm
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Brad sliced his hand open on a champagne bottle in VL


  336.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:20 pm
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"Brad sliced his hand open on a champagne bottle in VL"

Ouch!


  337.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:25 pm
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The Penske guys will definitely be celebrating this one. I honestly
cannot remember the last time a team dominated a race like Brad and Joey
did tonight. Speaking of which, I guarantee Logano was glad to see the
race end when it did since he got a Top 10 out of it when his engine was
going away and he could have blown up any second in those last laps.


  338.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:26 pm
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  339.   RCRandPenskeGuy posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:31 pm
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"Brad sliced his hand open on a champagne bottle in VL"

That doesn't sound good. :-/


  340.   RaceFanX posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:46 pm
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Sponsor:
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"Bad Brad" becomes the first driver to win two Cup races at Kentucky,
doing so in the series' first four races here. While he won this race in
2012 last year he crashed out of contention early and pointed out his
recovery in victory lane.


  341.   DB1995 posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:46 pm
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The cut was between his pinkie and ring finger, took 4 stitches in the
care center, hes back out doing media stuff now


  342.   JG24FanForever posted:
  06.28.2014 - 11:58 pm
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137th race where Jeff Gordon led the standings.

402nd career Top 8 and 349th Top 6 finish for Jeff.

His 28th Top 15 finish in the last 30 races, too.

Good race, and a good recovery drive for Gordon.


  343.   CBASS posted:
  06.29.2014 - 12:21 am
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Sponsor updates

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#14 Rush Truck Centers/ Mobil 1
#16 ACE Brand Products/ 3M (wrong ACE, this was for the ACE brand of
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#47 Scott Products/ Kingsford/ Bush's Best
#51 Brandt Professional Agriculture
#40 Snap Fitness 24-7 (doesn't need the Twitter account)
#83 Burger King/ Dr. Pepper (Vertx was a new associate this weekend)
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#43 Eckrich/ Operation Homefront
#42 Target/ Cottonelle


  344.   DB1995 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 12:38 am
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i just realized only 3 guys led this race, would had been just 2 if not
for the last caution that put Kyle up front.


  345.   CBASS posted:
  06.29.2014 - 12:56 am
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Disregard what I posted about the #14, didn't realize Mobil 1 wasn't on
the quarter panels like normal for the Rush races


  346.   Daniel posted:
  06.29.2014 - 12:56 am
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Go Gordon!


  347.   Jim Davis posted:
  06.29.2014 - 1:04 am
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How in the world is Stenhouse running as poorly as he is this year? He
has only 6 lead lap finishes so far this year. There has to be something
going on with him.


  348.   DB1995 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 1:12 am
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although Roush is way down as a whole he shouldnt be running so poorly.


  349.   18fan posted:
  06.29.2014 - 2:12 am
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Brad Keselowski posted the first perfect driver rating of the season in
this race. Kevin Harvick came the closest with a 149.9 at Phoenix, just
shy of the perfect 150 mark. I believe the last perfect driver rating
was Jimmie Johnson last year at Texas.


  350.   WinstonCupStandings posted:
  06.29.2014 - 2:28 am
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Top 25 (that are on the big teams)
1) Jeff Gordon (2493) -Leader
2) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (2428) -65
3) Jimmie Johnson (2414) -79
4) Brad Keselowski (2324) -169
5) Matt Kenseth (2288) -205
6) Carl Edwards (2190) -303
7) Joey Logano (2167) -326
8) Kevin Harvick (2151) -342
9) Kyle Busch (2121) -372
10) Ryan Newman (2102) -391
11) Paul Menard (2038) -455
12) Greg Biffle (1989) -504
13) Kyle Larson (1989) -504
14) Clint Bowyer (1987) -506
15) Kasey Kahne (1967) -526
16) Tony Stewart (1936) -557
17) Denny Hamlin (1915) -578
18) Austin Dillon (1898) -595
19) Brian Vickers (1890) -603
20) Marcos Ambrose (1864) -629
21) Jamie McMurray (1854) -639
22) Aric Almirola (1763) -730
23) Kurt Busch (1704) -789
24) Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (1562) -931
25) Danica Patrick (1501) -992


  351.   Watto posted:
  06.29.2014 - 3:26 am
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When it comes to Stenhouse's struggles, I don't think you can overlook
the fact that he has a first-year Cup crew chief in Mike Kelley, who
might be really struggling with getting used to it all. Roush has looked
really off at a chunk of the races this year, too, so it certainly
doesn't help. I think Edwards and Biffle are a tier above Stenhouse as
drivers, so when you see Biffle and Edwards finishing 14th and 17th,
Stenhouse in the 20s isn't that much of a shock. It's been a real
struggle for Ricky, though. I expected better performance than he's
shown all year.


  352.   Anthony posted:
  06.29.2014 - 4:47 am
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I like Keselowski and Penske, but that race was a joke. Even a debris
caution couldn't save it.


  353.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  06.29.2014 - 5:13 am
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Since no one mentioned it, here's a shout out to Ryan Newman in 3rd!


  354.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 7:50 am
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This was BY FAR the ABSOLUTE WORST race of the year. Team Penske led all
but 31 laps,there was only 12 lead changes,and only 7 were on
track,there was a short field for the first time since 2001,and there
were very few passes on track in general.
THANK GOD Daytona is next week.
I give this race a 3/10! would be a 2/10,but Jacques did not show up.
The typical F1 race this year was probably more exciting.


  355.   dennyfan11 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 7:54 am
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When was the last time you saw a race this boring? For me,i have no idea.


  356.   Anonymous posted:
  06.29.2014 - 8:10 am
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wouldnt it be beneficial to post chase top 16 standings too as points
standings dont tell the whole story

1 jimmie johnson 3 wins 594
2 dale earnhardt jr 2 wins 594
3 brad keselowski 2 wins 560
4 carl edwards 2 wins 536
5 joey logano 2 wins 519
6 kevin harvick 2 wins 509
7 jeff gordon 1 win 618
8 kyle busch 1 win 508
9 denny hamlin 1 win 455
10 kurt busch 1 win 379
11 matt kenseth 0 wins 555
12 ryan newman 0 wins 514
13 paul menard 0 wins 488
14 kyle larson 0 wins 474
15 greg biffle 0 wins 474
16 clint bowyer 0 wins 473


  357.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  06.29.2014 - 8:26 am
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Just because Kes dominated does not make it boring. In fact, just
looking at the results I would suppose there was lots of passing. It's
only when you look at the loop data for passing that you can tell there
was no passing and in fact Junior got 19 of the 23 positions he gained
via pit stops. Likewise, you can tell that other drivers lost spots in
the pits that they probably would not have lost otherwise.


  358.   WinstonCupStandings posted:
  06.29.2014 - 8:41 am
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@356 I calculate the standings under the old points system when the
Chase didn't exist, so the Chase/Chase Grid serves no purpose for these
standings.


  359.   Jared posted:
  06.29.2014 - 10:25 am
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@356 Do you think the Chase standings stay relatively in tact the next 9
races, or will there be a big shakeup? I think Kahne, Stewart, or
McMurray can get in on points or a win. They've run far better lately
than Biffle or Bowyer


  360.   MarkMartinFan posted:
  06.29.2014 - 11:00 am
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If Edwards does leave Roush, Jack needs to hire either Michael Annett or
Justin Allgaier to run that car. If he doesn't leave, he needs to can
Stenhouse and hire one of them to drive the 17. Since 2011, I've thought
Bayne was better than Stenhouse. But illnesses and whatnot have really
slowed Bayne's progress. So I expect Bayne to do far better next year
than what Stenhouse has done thus far in his career.


  361.   MarkMartinFan posted:
  06.29.2014 - 11:16 am
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Also, does anybody else think David Gilliland is better than the
equipment he has? He's never really had a good ride. Yates was a decent
team at best when he was with them. I'd like to see him get a good ride
no matter if its Cup, Nationwide, or trucks.


  362.   cjs3872 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 12:12 pm
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Guys, I've been harder on Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. than just about anyone
else, because of how he's regressed this season, but I can't pin last
night's performance on him because nobody else over there is doing
anything on the big tracks, either. Actually, it was a minor miracle
that Greg Biffle (14th) and Carl Edwards (17th) finished as well as they
did. At one point around the midway part of the race, the three Roush
races were all running outside the top 25, and there were times that
Stenhouse was the best of the Roush cars. And while the drivers Roush
has in the NNS aren't the caliber of the ones the other teams have, the
only reason any of them ever got into the top ten in that race was due
to tactics. Once Trevor got into the top five in the NNS race due to pit
strategy, he dropped like a rock because of how much slower he was than
the other contending cars, which set up his situation with Chase Elliott
near the end of that race. Even the smaller Ford teams in the Nationwide
Series, like the #98 team, were outrunning the Roush cars in the NNS
race. So it's an organization-wide problem not limited to the Cup Series.


  363.   Jared posted:
  06.29.2014 - 12:16 pm
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@361, Gilliland's not a bad driver considering the equipment he's been
in all his career. I think his development was hurt by two things: bad
management and the economy crashing. His win at Kentucky in the Busch
series in 2006 was an improbable upset, and it showed the talent that he
did have. I think he could've used that and a couple other good runs to
get a good Busch/Nationwide series ride, whether it be Roush, RCR,
Hendrick, or Gibbs. However, a desperate Yates team, which was losing DJ
to Toyota and had Elliott Sadler go to Evernham midseason, grabbed
Gilliland based off of that sole win. Keep in mind that this was not the
Yates of the 90's or the first few years of the 2000's. This was a team
that was a few years from dissolving. In 07 he had very strong runs on
the restrictor plate tracks (pole at the Daytona 500 and a 4th at Dega)
but was an afterthought in every other race. And with MARS leaving Yates
to go to JGR, he made the best of the equipment he had and even got a
2nd place at Sonoma in 08. But after the economy shattered the sport
between 08 and 09, he had nowhere to go. He was stuck with the 71 TGR
team before going to Front Row, where he's been ever since. I wonder
where he would've been had he not been picked up by Yates. I imagine he
could've had a career similar to Michael Annett or Justin Allgaier: a
few years of development in good to decent Nationwide rides and go to a
small Cup team that has access to Hendrick or ECR engines.


  364.   The Crimson King posted:
  06.29.2014 - 12:57 pm
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@342 Where do you get those stats from?


  365.   23andJoe posted:
  06.29.2014 - 1:50 pm
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#2 is "Miller Time for America", not "in".


  366.   joey2448 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 4:40 pm
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"This was BY FAR the ABSOLUTE WORST race of the year. Team Penske led
all but 31 laps,there was only 12 lead changes,and only 7 were on
track,there was a short field for the first time since 2001,and there
were very few passes on track in general."

Man it's a good thing you weren't a NASCAR fan back in the 50s, 60s and
70s...


  367.   Jim Davis posted:
  06.29.2014 - 4:42 pm
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"...but I can't pin last night's performance on him..."

If Annett, Truex, and Mears can finish on the lead lap, Stenhouse should
as well. Roush may be going through a rough patch at the moment but they
haven't fallen into the "field filler" category.


  368.   murb posted:
  06.29.2014 - 4:56 pm
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I'm honestly starting to think Stenhouse just isn't that good. I realize
that Roush is having problems, but he shouldn't be consistently getting
outrun by people like Annett who have WAY less equipment power than he does.

And honestly, as I think about it more, his two NNS titles weren't
really that impressive. Not only was Roush's NNS equipment great when he
was in that series, but he also virtually had no competition. He and
Elliott Sadler (driving for KHI/RCR, whose equipment wasn't as good as
Stenhouse/Roush) were the only NNS regulars who were legitimately
capable of winning races. There were some others like Allgaier and
Austin Dillon who won races, but for those two years it was Stenhouse
and Sadler who were consistently the two best NNS regulars. So really,
all he essentially had to do for those two championships was beat
Elliott Sadler, and in retrospect, that wasn't exactly the hugest feat,
given Stenhouse's equipment advantage.

So yeah, I'm seriously not sure if Stenhouse is that good of a driver.
It's looking more and more like all of his early career success was a
lot of smoke and mirrors.


  369.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 5:08 pm
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Wow, NASCAR officiating might have just screwed an LMP2 car from beating
one of their precious Grand Am DPs at the Six Hours at the Glen.


  370.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.29.2014 - 5:08 pm
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Started 10th...finished 21st. And had Michael Annett of all people
finish ahead of her. Hehe...


  371.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 5:19 pm
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Annnnd they did. If I were Alex Brundle and Oak Racing I'd be EXTREMELY
furious at IMSA/NASCAR officiating right now.


  372.   Evan posted:
  06.29.2014 - 7:47 pm
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* TEAM PENSKE spanks the field leading a combined total of 330 laps
between Joey Logano and eventual winner Brad Keselowski. Keselowski
really turned his season around with this win in a night where
Keselowski pretty much cleaned house and toyed with the field and
Logano's car was just as quick. The only lowlight? Brad Keselowski
cutting his hand in victory lane while spraying some champagne. Hope his
hand is okay.


  373.   cjs3872 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 9:44 pm
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Evan, it was impossible for the Penske cars to lead 330 laps, given that
there were only 267 laps in the race. I believe they led 230 laps
between them.

And murb, there were times in the second half of the race that Michael
Annett was in front of ALL the Roush Racing cars, and his #7 car was
competitive with guys like Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, and Jimmie Johnson.

And as I said, I'm as hard on Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. as just about anyone
is on this board, simply because of how badly he's underperformed in
comparison to his teammates, but last night wasn't on him, nor was his
lack of performance at Michigan, because all of Roush Racing was
terrible. In fact, only the late-race pit strategy allowed Greg Biffle
and Carl Edwards to get up as far as they did, because they were all
south of 20th place for most of the race. You can't put blame on someone
for underperforming if he has nothing at his disposal, and that was the
case with all of Roush Racing, in both the NNS race and the Cup race.
Roush was being outperformed by smaller teams in the NNS race and the
Cup race this weekend. They're woefully behind, both in terms of
aerodynamics and horsepower, and that doesn't seem to be changing soon,
unless they luck into a "magic setup". But I believe their chassis are
better than everyone thinks they are, because they've done better at the
slower speed tracks, where the chassis is more important than
aerodynamics or horsepower.


  374.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 10:46 pm
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Actually, the Penske cars lead 236 laps between them.


  375.   Schroeder51 posted:
  06.29.2014 - 10:46 pm
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*Led


  376.   Anonymous posted:
  06.29.2014 - 10:57 pm
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indycar, btcc and sports cars at the glen! great weekend. oh what's
that? i couldnt hear the tears of nascar fans


  377.   DB1995 posted:
  06.30.2014 - 1:31 am
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How do you hear tears?


  378.   Anonymous posted:
  06.30.2014 - 8:59 am
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^mistake in diction. replace tears with moans. it's gotta be torture
being a fan of this series


  379.   DB1995 posted:
  06.30.2014 - 3:50 pm
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It must be torture that your life is so empty you have to come on the
NASCAR fans pages and troll us, and to top it off you don't have the
balls to even use a username.


  380.   Anthony posted:
  06.30.2014 - 4:01 pm
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Last year: 1083 Comments
This Year: 378 Comments


  381.   Eric posted:
  06.30.2014 - 5:45 pm
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@Anthony,

There is a big reason for the drop. It is caused by the behavior of some
people. The fact is this site has trolls and the behavior of the site
has went down since early last year and some people don't want to put up
with that.


  382.   Anonymous posted:
  06.30.2014 - 6:00 pm
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"There is a big reason for the drop. It is caused by the behavior of
some people. The fact is this site has trolls and the behavior of the
site has went down since early last year and some people don't want to
put up with that. "

Not trolls... skanks


  383.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.30.2014 - 6:21 pm
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44 on Daytona Entry List:
Trevor Bayne in the #21
Joe Nemechek in the #29
Terry Labonte in the #32
Bobby Labonte in the #33
Michael Waltrip in the #66
Michael McDowell in the #95

#93 not entered


  384.   DB1995 posted:
  06.30.2014 - 7:14 pm
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also last years races had an extra day because it was rain delayed to
sunday


  385.   Feetduck posted:
  06.30.2014 - 8:36 pm
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Interesting how number 11 blows a tire and crashs out in
2 Kentucky races in a row


  386.   DB1995 posted:
  06.30.2014 - 9:01 pm
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just realized the 29 was on the entry list


  387.   David posted:
  06.30.2014 - 9:39 pm
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"Not trolls... skanks"

I don't think dancing has anything to do with this.


  388.   numbah10hatah posted:
  06.30.2014 - 10:11 pm
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DB1995: Yup. Joe Nemechek is running the #29 for RAB Racing.


  389.   joey2448 posted:
  06.30.2014 - 11:43 pm
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Bobby Labonte is back at the track this weekend? Whoo!


  390.   WinstonCupStandings posted:
  07.01.2014 - 5:35 am
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Fun Fact: Last time the #2 won from the pole was at Bristol 14 years ago.


  391.   JoeFan#66#87#8#86#29#97 posted:
  07.01.2014 - 9:50 am
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The #29 that Joe is running is a NEMCO built car that he sold to Robby
Benton. Benton asked Joe to drive it at Daytona. Benton might be running
the team full time next year (thinking possibly for Buescher, but idk if
the team even happens).

Also, Joe needs to stop running so many numbers this year lol.

He'll be the one that needs to qualify on time, but he was a Triad
engine in the #29, so it should run a lot better in the draft than the
other crap he runs.


  392.   Scott B posted:
  07.01.2014 - 12:41 pm
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JoeFan,

Thanks for the clarification on the #29 entry. I was curious about the
backstory on this since Benton hasn't attempted any Cup starts till now.


  393.   DB1995 posted:
  07.01.2014 - 3:08 pm
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Actually Benton attempted the Daytona 500 with Kenny Wallace in 2012 i think

And unfortunately Kyle Larson will be running Eldora so it looks like a
sure win for him unless Austin Dillon comes back to race or Ryan Newman,
they were his only competition last year. As much fun as it was i will
probably skip it if he ends up with no competition come time for the
entry list.


  394.   Scott B posted:
  07.01.2014 - 4:28 pm
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You're correct on that, Benton and Kenny Wallace DNQ'ed with the #09.

I wonder if the past champion's provisional will come into play this
week. It's been a while since we've seen one of those used.


  395.   jabber1990 posted:
  07.01.2014 - 11:07 pm
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how does KBM and Kyle Busch get hit with a "too low" penalty even though
there are no ride height rules?


  396.   DB1995 posted:
  07.01.2014 - 11:23 pm
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there is still a ride height in NNS and Trucks


  397.   NicoRosbergFan posted:
  07.02.2014 - 7:54 am
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Time to switch to 35andJoe, I believe.


  398.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.02.2014 - 12:00 pm
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On this day in 1937, the greatest NASCAR driver ever (in my book),
Richard Petty was born. Happy 77th, King Richard.

Sadly, we also lost two drivers on this date nine years apart as a
result of similar injuries. On this date in 1964, 50 years ago, Fireball
Roberts, who won the 1962 Daytona 500, three Firecracker races (two
250-mile races and one 400-mile race), and two Southern 500s (1958 and
1963, the latter of which was not only run caution-free, but was his
last speedway win), died on this date from complications from his fiery
crash at the 1964 World 600. And nine years later, Swede Savage, who had
already competed in every major form of racing in America, including in
NASCAR for Holman-Moody (for whom Roberts was driving at the time of his
crash) and the Wood Brothers, and may have been on his way to stardom,
lost his life as a result of complications from his fiery crash as he
was about to retake the lead in the 1973 Indianapolis 500. In Savage's
case, his death was from a transfusion of blood tainted with Hepatitis B.

R.I.P. Glenn "Fireball" Roberts and David "Swede" Savage.


  399.   The Crimson King posted:
  07.02.2014 - 2:14 pm
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People are talking about how Daytona is going to be a wildcard for the
Chase format, but I strongly disagree. I think one of the "regulars" is
going to win it. Probably either Gordon or Jr.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing a first time winner ala Greg Biffle in 2003.


  400.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.02.2014 - 3:08 pm
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@399, we know that crashes are going to eliminate quite a number of the
favorites, as is always the case at Daytona and Talladega. Bad race
strategy, such as riding at the back, is likely to doom the chances of
other likely contenders. But I believe whoever is leading with 10 laps
to go will be the one that wins the race, because of how difficult it's
likely to be to pass the leader. And that could be especially true if
manufacturer politics come into play, as was the case in the last plate
race, when Greg Biffle's Ford was stuck in a sandwich of three Toyotas
(Hamlin in front and two MWR cars behind him), and didn't have a place
to go.

But I wouldn't be so sure about one of the big names winning. After all,
rookies are part of two organizations that will be difficult to beat,
RCR (Dillon) and Chip Ganassi Racing (Larson). I especially like
Ganassi's team to pull off a surprise, since Jamie McMurray is
especially difficult at the plate tracks when he's on his game.


  401.   Feetduck posted:
  07.02.2014 - 4:59 pm
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I wonder who will cause the big crash


  402.   The Crimson King posted:
  07.02.2014 - 5:04 pm
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Sure, a few big names will get wiped out but some of the big runners
this year (Namely Johnson and Jr.) seem to have Lady Luck on their side
and never run into any trouble at all.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Harvick dominate this race only
to be stuck in traffic because of everyone taking 2 tires, and then he
gets caught up in the big one again. That seems to be his luck this year.

The only "surprise" winner I can realistically see is Larson. McMurray's
luck this year is abysmal. Dillion is too perfectly content running 17th
to bother winning and I'm still not impressed by anything RCR has done
this year.


  403.   The Crimson King posted:
  07.02.2014 - 5:05 pm
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@401 My money's on Danica.


  404.   AveryNH posted:
  07.02.2014 - 5:27 pm
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"And unfortunately Kyle Larson will be running Eldora so it looks like a
sure win for him unless Austin Dillon comes back to race or Ryan Newman,
they were his only competition last year. As much fun as it was i will
probably skip it if he ends up with no competition come time for the
entry list."

Gimmie a break. Really? Larson ran the entirety of his career on dirt
until a few years ago. The guy has three wins in the top three series, 3
K&N series wins and a throwaway Arca win at a track he'd never been to,
yet it seems everyone here derides him and bashes Larson for dipping
into the minors as if he's Lord of the minors himself, Kyle Busch. Heck
I'm shocked more cup guys haven't entered the Mudsummer classic.

Now for something completely different, Bill Lester has been a guest
analyst on NBCSN'S Nascar America this week. I'm blown away not only by
his expertise but how rapidly this show is becoming the go to for my
nascar t.v. fix. And this network has yet to even start broadcasting races


  405.   The Crimson King posted:
  07.02.2014 - 5:46 pm
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I had a dream that the entire season was broadcast by NBC.

Unfortunately I had to wake up.


  406.   numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted:
  07.02.2014 - 6:21 pm
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"@401 My money's on Danica. "

Please, do not kill me, sir.


  407.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.02.2014 - 7:31 pm
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@401, who's to say that anyone will be at fault if a big crash occurs,
because there have been times when a big wreck has occurred in which it
was caused by a tire or mechanical failure. If it happens in the
Firecracker 400, and I think it will, and possibly more than once, a
driver (or multiple drivers fighting for the same space) will likely be
at fault, but there have been big crashes that have been the fault of a
tire problem or mechanical failure. Such incidents include the two
crashes in the 1978 Daytona 500 that dwindled down the field of
contenders, big wrecks at Talladega in 1979 (when Buddy Baker had a tire
failure), 1997 (when Jeff Gordon had a tire failure) and 2003 (when Ryan
Newman had a tire failure or mechanical problem, I forget which it was),
and even a huge crash at Charlotte in the fall race there in 1998 caused
by oil on the track. And the granddaddy of all big crashes in NASCAR's
top series, the ginormous crash in the 1973 Winston 500, was caused by
an engine failure. So while driver error is likely to be the cause of
any major crash, it's not a certainty, by any means.


  408.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  07.02.2014 - 10:12 pm
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"The only "surprise" winner I can realistically see is Larson.
McMurray's luck this year is abysmal. Dillion is too perfectly content
running 17th to bother winning and I'm still not impressed by anything
RCR has done this year."

In a surprise or upset, I could see the single car teams with ECR
engines(Mears, 'Dinger, Martin Truex) having a chance to win. The ECR
restrictor plate engines have been their bright spot this season.


  409.   Jim Davis posted:
  07.02.2014 - 10:45 pm
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I can see Menard breaking through for his second win. He's run well thus
far this season.


  410.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.03.2014 - 12:40 am
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@408, in reality, if nobody works with them, the three single-car teams
running ECR engines (13, 47, and 78) could form a multi-car team of it's
own at Daytona, when it comes to drafting. And given the fact that all
three drivers in question have done very well at Daytona over the years,
any one of them could be a serious threat to win, and if either Casey
Mears, A.J. Allmendinger, or Martin Truex, Jr. win, I'm not even sure it
would be that big of a surprise. Mears ran second when Jimmie Johnson
won his first Daytona 500, Allmendinger was third in the 2009 Daytona
500, and Martin Truex, Jr. led the halfway lap in both the 2011 and 2012
Daytona 500s, and led the 2007 Daytona 500 as late as lap 175. So if any
of them win Saturday night, especially given their connections to RCR,
it would not be a total shock. A Mears win would really be good, since
it would likely stick a fork in the theory that the #13 is bad luck in
racing. In fact, the only win ever in NASCAR's top series for car #13
came at Daytona in 1963, when Johnny Rutherford (yes, THAT Johnny
Rutherford) won a qualifying race for the 1963 Daytona 500.

But I think that whoever leads with 10 laps remaining may very well end
up winning the race, because I think it's going to be very difficult to
pass up front. Getting into the top five may not be difficult (it rarely
is), but I believe passing up front will be extremely difficult, and I
also suspect team and manufacturer politics will, at some point, have a
say in who wins the race Saturday night.

But if I was to guess who the best chance for an 11th winner in 2014
would be if a non-winner this season broke into victory lane, aside from
Matt Kenseth, the obvious choice, my choices would be Tony Stewart (for
a record-tying fifth time in the Firecracker 400), Ryan Newman, or Jamie
McMurray. I think experience will be a major factor, and all the drivers
I've selected as possible first-time winner for 2014 have all won at
Daytona before.


  411.   dennyfan11 posted:
  07.03.2014 - 8:21 am
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I hope an upset wins. Not only would it be great,but it would show how
stupid the new Chase is!


  412.   startandparkfan posted:
  07.03.2014 - 8:21 am
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I'm posting under this account (Im dennyfan11) because when i try to
post under dennyfan11,it does not work. Why is that?


  413.   The Crimson King posted:
  07.03.2014 - 4:24 pm
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@410 if team politics plays into it, I don't see how a Hendrick driver
doesn't come out on top. I mean, I'm tired of Hendrick winning too, but
unless something huge happens I can easily envision someone like Johnson
or Jr getting the lead late and Gordon/Kahne blocking everyone else off.


  414.   cjs3872 posted:
  07.03.2014 - 6:52 pm
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But who's to say that won't be true regarding other teams, as well,
@413. After all, what you say could just as easily benefit Joe Gibbs
Racing, Richard Childress Racing, Roush Racing, Stewart-Haas Racing, or
Michael Waltrip Racing. And the politics of which I spoke not only could
involve teams, but as was seen earlier this year at Talladega,
manufacturers. I believe Greg Biffle wanted to make a move on Denny
Hamlin for the win, but couldn't because he had two of Michael Waltrip's
cars right behind him, so he was stuck in second place, without a place
to go, because if he had tried a move around Hamlin, the two MWR Toyotas
would have hung Biffle out to make it a 1-2-3 for Toyota, and Biffle
might have had a hard time even staying in the top ten.

What Dale, Jr. did at this year's Daytona 500 is the rare exception to
the rule, because for much of the latter portion of the race, he held
off two Roush Racing cars (Biffle and Carl Edwards) without any help,
only getting assistance from Jeff Gordon in the last few laps of that
race. Most drivers, and I would include Jimmie Johnson in that group,
would not have won this year's Daytona 500 under the same set of
circumstances that Dale, Jr. faced.


  415.   Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted:
  07.03.2014 - 10:35 pm
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I know this is a little off topic but I wonder if the scam artist ARCA
team will even show up at this weekends race in Winchester, Indiana.
Team co-owner Dana Royal (alias Dana Carter) is currently being sought
by North Carolina law enforcement officials for parole violation. The
reason she is on parole is because of her involvement in an RV rental
scam, the same scam for which team owner Roger Carter is currently
serving jail time for. I know ARCA is really hurting for cars but this
teams makes the whole sport look bad. I've lost count of how many
drivers they've screwed over. I wish they would sell the team to someone
else or go away.


  416.   Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted:
  07.03.2014 - 10:36 pm
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^sorry I forgot to mention the team name, Carter 2 Motorsports. Although
that name might be misleading now that both Carter's might be rotting in
jail soon rather than at the track.


  417.   David posted:
  07.04.2014 - 12:03 am
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Happy Independence Day to those in the Eastern time zone!


  418.   Evan posted:
  07.05.2014 - 1:47 pm
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My math is off, it was 230...I realized after I made the post, and then
went D'oh!


  419.   Big Mac Fan posted:
  10.13.2015 - 1:09 am
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"So how will Harvick's good car be ruined?"

The fence climber from Richmond makes it on the track, sneaks into the 4
car for an autograph under a red flag, knocks out Harvick, and takes his
car for a joyride.


  420.   #BowmanNation posted:
  06.03.2018 - 11:33 am
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First NASCAR race I watched


  421.   Anthony2 posted:
  08.27.2020 - 7:03 pm
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Greg Biffle set an all-time NASCAR record with his 89th consecutive race
without a DNF. A record that still stands today. Biffle had no DNF's
from February 27, 2012 in the Daytona 500 through this race on June 28th.


  422.   Rich posted:
  12.06.2020 - 4:46 pm
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Adam Alexander, Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty were the commentators.
Marty Snider, Ralph Sheheen, Chris Neville and Matt Yocum were the pit
road reporters. Larry McReynolds was the in-race analyst. Lindsay
Czarniak was the studio host.


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