|| *Comments on the 2014 Coke Zero 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. numbah10hatah posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (6) (3) How about that top 4!!!! AWESOME!!! 2. numbah10hatah posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #29 Joe Nemechek Out using fastest 43: #23 Alex Bowman 3. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Update #66 Jay Robinson 4. DH101 posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) David Gilliland, Reed Sorenson, Landon Cassill, Bobby Labonte....Seems legit. 5. Schroeder51 posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) That's a hell of a surprise top 4, I'll say! It would be awesome if Gilliland, Sorenson, Cassill, and Labonte could all get strong finishes too, but I'm not anticipating it...Though I do hope Cassill at least gets a top 10 since he is well overdue for one (he came so close at Talladega)... 6. Eric posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The starting lineup didn't shock me since it is a plate race. This is Bobby Labonte's first 5 start since the 1st 2008 race at Loudon. 7. startandparkfan posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) First front row start for Front Row Motorsports. 8. DH101 posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) but the one with the worst odds gets the pole. just makes me lol 9. RaceFanX posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Gilliland picks up his first pole since the 2007 Daytona 500. All three of his poles have been on plate tracks. RAB Racing made a rare Cup series entry with Joe Nemechek's #29 Toyota but failed to qualify. 10. epzik8 posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The top four and David Ragan must be happy about the rain lol. 11. murb posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This might be a pretty wild race. Not only with all the underdogs up at the front, but also because a lot of the big names are starting at the back. Should be a lot of fun. 12. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.04.2014 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is usually one of my most anticipated races of the year. I even strongly considering hoping on a plane at the last minute and flying down to Daytona for the race. However, I feel like, more often than not, this race is a disappointment. Does anyone else feel this way? 13. riven3d posted: 07.04.2014 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) " Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 07.04.2014 - 7:12 pm Owner Update #66 Jay Robinson " this is not correct when Michael is in the car it is actually owned by MWR 14. Anonymous posted: 07.04.2014 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nah. Bet Johnson/Kenseth find some way to hustle the top four out of the draft within the first two laps. 15. JoeFan#66#87#8#86#29#97 posted: 07.04.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Michael is driving for IVR in this race, not MWR. Has been mentioned plenty of times already 16. JoeFan#66#87#8#86#29#97 posted: 07.04.2014 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Has more help from MWR, but still a IVR car (and supposedly engine). 17. Peter posted: 07.04.2014 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the second year in a row FRM has a sweet David slays Goliath story, no matter what Gilliland does in the race 18. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.04.2014 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually a surprisingly small wreck. 19. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.04.2014 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Refer to post 159. 20. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.04.2014 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ignore my last two posts. 21. startandparkfan posted: 07.04.2014 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The 66 is a NEMCO-JRR car, so the owner should be listed as Jay Robinson. 22. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Rubs eyes* Those fireworks must of damaged my retinas. That top 4 is impossible! 23. NadeauFan91 posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jesus, that top four... 24. joey2448 posted: 07.05.2014 - 2:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zachary Shawn I feel it too. I think it's because everyone looks forward to Daytona bc it's freakin Daytona, which comes with history prestige and wild racing, but with none of the high pressure stakes that naturally come with the Daytona 500 in February. Definitely looking forward to this race! 25. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I dont think we are going to get this race in. There is a 60% chance of rain tonight,50% on sunday,40% on monday,30% on tuesday,40% on wednesay,30% on Thursday and Friday,40%on saturday,80% on sunday,and 90% on monday. The first day with a less than 40% chance is tuesday,and only tuesday and thursday are clean. 26. Smiff_2 posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There are many potentially savory outcomes to tonight's race, but I think most of all, I'd REALLY like to see Cassill score the upset win (if we do indeed GET an upset win). Not only does the guy do an incredible Montoya impression, but I (along with many others on here) truly believe this is a guy with a lot of potential. It wouldn't change things for him right off, but it sure wouldn't hurt to have a win on his resume. Obviously, if ANY of the underdogs in the first 2 rows won, it would be monumental. But for some reason, of the 4, I'm rooting the hardest for Cassill. 27. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:56 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) "I dont think we are going to get this race in. There is a 60% chance of rain tonight,50% on sunday,40% on monday,30% on tuesday,40% on wednesay,30% on Thursday and Friday,40%on saturday,80% on sunday,and 90% on monday. The first day with a less than 40% chance is tuesday,and only tuesday and thursday are clean. " Florida weather doesn't work the same as in other states. 30% chance of storms before midnight. Depends on the seabreezes: where they form, when they form, and how they move. 28. ii posted: 07.05.2014 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm rooting for Sorenson. This kid's been around since '05 and I've liked him each and every year. Plus even if he just gets a Top 10 kids eat free at Golden Corral on Monday :) 29. JoeFan#66#87#8#86#29#97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yea in Florida, it's pouring, then 2 minutes later, the sun is back out like nothing happened lol. 30. Sean posted: 07.05.2014 - 10:13 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "This is usually one of my most anticipated races of the year. I even strongly considering hoping on a plane at the last minute and flying down to Daytona for the race. However, I feel like, more often than not, this race is a disappointment. Does anyone else feel this way?" This is usually the most boring of the four plate races, with some occasional but rare exceptions (2007). Maybe the heat makes handling harder and passing harder? I'd be okay with that if there was separation in the pack like there used to be in the '90s... It's also the race where cheating seems to be rewarded most often (1985, 1994). I don't consider this marquee at all... 31. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.05.2014 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This is usually the most boring of the four plate races, with some occasional but rare exceptions (2007)." I think the Firecracker 400 lost its allure when the race was moved from July 4th to the Saturday closest to the 4th; save for 1998 due to wildfires. I have a feeling that NASCAR is going to amend quailfying procedures for Talladega and the summer Daytona race. I don't remember clearly how Talladega went but yesterday you had rows of cars 8-10 deep going half throttle while staying on the racetrack. During Nemechek's last run, he and the line he was with(the JGR/MWR cars if I remember right) had to go high to avoid the RCR line on the backstretch then duck under the Hendrick group in the middle of 3 and 4. I was surprised the "big one" didn't happen with all the large variances in speed from the different drafting alliances. 32. Eric posted: 07.05.2014 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Out of the first 4 drivers in the starting lineup, I think Bobby Labonte's winning would be the biggest story of the 4. I am saying this because Bobby hasn't won a cup race since Winston was the sponsor of NASCAR and would be a cup racing record between cup wins. Bobby also being a former champion would be a big deal also since it always is nice when a former cup champion wins past his prime. The other thing would be Bobby Labonte would be the 2nd oldest driver ever to win a cup points race at Daytona with the oldest being Bobby Allison. All those thing I mention about Bobby Labonte would make him the ultimate feel good story if he wins the Daytona race. I don't think Bobby wining this race would help his career though unlike Cassill. Cassill would be the one with the most to gain with a Cup win at Daytona due to his age and what he has been doing in underfunded equipment in the Nationwide series. 33. startandparkfan posted: 07.05.2014 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The pole sitter tends not to lead the first lap, but still expect to see one of the top 4 lead the first few laps. 34. Anonymous posted: 07.05.2014 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (5) "11. murb This might be a pretty wild race. Not only with all the underdogs up at the front, but also because a lot of the big names are starting at the back. Should be a lot of fun." Starting position doesn't mean anything here. I don't know why people are so excited about this race suddenly, just because we got some horrible drivers starting in the front? By lap 2, they will have fallen back through the field. "12. Zackary Shawn This is usually one of my most anticipated races of the year. I even strongly considering hoping on a plane at the last minute and flying down to Daytona for the race. However, I feel like, more often than not, this race is a disappointment. Does anyone else feel this way?" No, I think it's something else. You're a nascar fan who is starting to realize now that this sport is a bad product. So you have doubts about whether this race will be good but are unsure of your thoughts because you haven't felt this way before. You've always thought of the sport as being perfect, like any other average nascar fan, but now you're starting to see how crappy it really is. This is good, this is called progress. It's hard to hate something that has been there throughout your life. I and many others have been in your position. Eventually those doubts will evolve into complete dislike and contempt for the sport. Results may vary. 35. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think the Firecracker 400 lost its allure when the race was moved from July 4th to the Saturday closest to the 4th; save for 1998 due to wildfires." I don't know if it's that as much as it was moving the race from the morning to night. It went from being a race of survival for drivers into just another night race in my opinion. Though I was never around to actually see a morning Daytona race live on television, you can clearly see now that surviving the 120+ degree cockpit temperature was almost unbearable even for some of the greatest NASCAR drivers in history. For many years in Richard Petty's final decade or so of driving, he would need oxygen masks midway through the race and would drop out of the race due to the heat exhaustion. After winning the 1993 race, winner Dale Earnhardt nearly passed out during his winner's interview, and I believe that Neil Bonnet passed out in victory lane after winning the 1979 race. 36. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "No, I think it's something else. You're a nascar fan who is starting to realize now that this sport is a bad product. So you have doubts about whether this race will be good but are unsure of your thoughts because you haven't felt this way before. You've always thought of the sport as being perfect, like any other average nascar fan, but now you're starting to see how crappy it really is. This is good, this is called progress. It's hard to hate something that has been there throughout your life. I and many others have been in your position. Eventually those doubts will evolve into complete dislike and contempt for the sport. Results may vary." Nope, that's not it. 100% wrong. Could not be further from the truth in pretty much ever aspect of what you said. Good guess, though. (Actually, it was a shitty guess, but I said it was a good one so I don't hurt your feelings.) 37. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Where's Daniel? Shouldn't he have said "Go Gordon!" by now? 38. David posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Anonymous in post #34 has a dead horse of his own...and he's beating it with a giant sledgehammer. 39. David posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nope, that's not it. 100% wrong. Could not be further from the truth in pretty much ever aspect of what you said. Good guess, though. (Actually, it was a shitty guess, but I said it was a good one so I don't hurt your feelings.)" ...and I knew he picked on the wrong guy. 40. David posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't know if it's that as much as it was moving the race from the morning to night." I'd have to agree with SpeedWorld here. Having a morning race was a novelty unlike any other. I think the whole idea was so that fans could watch the race in the morning and go to the beach in the afternoon (a true Bill France trademark). Moving the race from July 4th, however, was probably bound to happen sooner or later. 41. Daniel's Troll posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Gordon! 42. RaceFanX posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Go Ford! 43. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) As cjs has pointed out, the people on the west coast want to be able to sleep in late... really late... so late that 8AM is too early for them (any doctor will tell you the healthiest way is to get up at the same time every day no matter the circumstances, but whatever). An 11 AM start will never work, but maybe NASCAR could consider running a kind of double-header with the NNS running like a 125-150 mile race at noon or switch the Cup back to a 250 run earlier (like noon)? 44. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Nope, that's not it. 100% wrong. Could not be further from the truth in pretty much ever aspect of what you said. Good guess, though. (Actually, it was a shitty guess, but I said it was a good one so I don't hurt your feelings.) " I love this response. Slap him harder, Zach! 45. DH101 posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Strike my last comment, Allgaier has the worst odds. GO ALLGAIER lol 46. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.05.2014 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Please don't kill me. I'm a good horse. It's not my fault she sucks and qualified 29th! Honest! 47. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1:00 Weather update. Rain moved in at 12:45,the cell was very small,but many small cells have combined to form one big cell which is hanging over the racetrack. 48. Anonymous posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What does the weather look like? 49. Jaws_fan posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) More and more impressed with Front Row every race; talk about the little engina that could! 50. DB1995 posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Great news!! Morgan Shepherd will run the #33 next week at Loudon, and it is going the distance! 51. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'd have to agree with SpeedWorld here. Having a morning race was a novelty unlike any other. I think the whole idea was so that fans could watch the race in the morning and go to the beach in the afternoon (a true Bill France trademark). Moving the race from July 4th, however, was probably bound to happen sooner or later." It was also done to avoid the mid July afternoon Florida heat, which like you said would be when fans could go to the beach. As you mentioned, the move from July 4th to the closest Saturday was bound to happen probably due to the fact that attendance would only be better on a weekend, and the TV package would work better, hence the reason ESPN began covering it live annually starting in 1989. 52. The Crimson King posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm really damn impressed with that top 4. Holy crap. Unfortunately, the winner will probably be one of the regulars. 53. Anonymous posted: 07.05.2014 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby Labonte qualifying well is a nice surprise, though 10-15 years ago that was common for him to do well. How does Joe Nemechek have better odds than David Gilliland? 54. epzik8 posted: 07.05.2014 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some of the best drivers in practice didn't do well in qualifying but they might get up front quickly. 55. John Royal posted: 07.05.2014 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 5 Hours into the race, how's the weather going to be? I guess you can't tell it yet... I am asking because I could watch it live, from 2am to 5am and suffer through possible rain issues. Or I could wake up 10am and watch the re-run of the broadcast. Anyway I can kill some time with Netherland - Costa Rica soccer match. 56. 23andJoe posted: 07.05.2014 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >How does Joe Nemechek have better odds than David Gilliland? First, as has been mentioned: the odds are not actual "odds of winning". They're the odds as issued by the sports bookies, which are based on betting activity, not performance. More people bet on Kevin Harvick than David Gilliland, therefore Harvick is listed as 12-1 while Gilliland gets 75-1 - and thus a better potential payout, thus being more tempting to bettors and (they hope) encouraging additional action on Gilliland instead of the more-likely-to-make-them-pay-out Harvick. In this particular case though, note the (f) after Nemechek's 40-1: that means "field". As in there IS no particular betting line on Nemechek - if you wanted to wager on him winning, you would place your bet on "the field" which would mean you would get the same payout if Whitt, Wise, Bowman etc. were to pull off the upset. 57. numbah10hatah posted: 07.05.2014 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I'm rooting for anybody that doesn't race on the following teams: Hendrick (exception: Gordon) Joe Gibbs Roush Penske Childress (exception: Menard) Stewart-Haas In other words, any of the big teams. 58. Cornys posted: 07.05.2014 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) NASCAR, while looking for excitement in their qualifying procedure, created a monster. I love seeing small teams do well, but what the heck is this? It's not exactly racing, because it's more like a lottery. If they must have excitement for qualifying (not really sure why they feel this is important in the first place, since where they start really doesn't matter on a plate track other than with regard to pit-lane), then have a 15 min group session followed by 2 or 4 heat races based on those group session results. It would actually draw in a TV audience and actually raise some money for International Speedway Corporation which owns the two plate tracks. That is what NASCAR's all about anyways :) 59. The Crimson King posted: 07.05.2014 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Make Daytona the only "real" qualifying session of the year. Every other race starting order is determined by a heat race that is only 10% of the actual race distance. For example, Bristol would only have a 50 lap heat race (which really isn't that long at all) while Richmond would have a 40 lap heat race, etc. Order of the heat races is determined by owners points or random draw, whichever you guys prefer. Daytona can keep the Twin 125's, however. What do you guys think? 60. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't get why so many people are stating that this starting lineup isn't legitimate. These are small teams, true, but they are just as capable of winning this race as anyone else. This isn't like when Landon Cassill re-started as the leader at Fontana and proceeded to cause a minor log-jam behind him. At Daytona, these cars can keep pace with the top teams. 61. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Crossing my fingers that we'll get this thing underway. There's a pretty decent-sized cell over Daytona right now, but once that passes, there's enough of a break in the rain and the storms are moving slow enough that we might be able to get the race in tonight. 62. Eric posted: 07.05.2014 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't see any problem with the qualifying for the summer Daytona race and 2 Talladega races. The truth is Daytona and Talladega always been race tracks that smaller or under budget teams can run well at due to the nature of the track. 63. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol, I know right. I don't get why people are acting like underfunded teams performing well at plate tracks is some sort of new phenomenon. 64. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly. I don't understand how people say that this new style of qualifying is a crap shoot, especially at a track like this. Got that bloody Daytona arcade cabinet song stuck in my head... 65. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well, I gotta say that after looking at the radar, I'm not convinced we're going to get the race in tonight. At best, it appears we're going to be looking at a delay with the potential for a 2012 Daytona 500-esque finish time. 66. 23andJoe posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, /that's/ certainly an original form of trolling... 67. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) ^ Disgusting piece of shit. To make light of terrorism is to make light of the deaths of hundreds if thousands, if not millions, of people, no matter the context. 68. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Sorry, 23andJoe. You are most certainly not a disgusting piece of shit. 69. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Update of past 2 hours. A big cell reached the track at 4:00.We still have a MASSIVE cell over the racetrack. i don't think we will get this race in tonight. 70. Bradley Thomas posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You're absolutely right. They won't get it in tonight. But if they do, it would be about 1 AM when they start. I'd say they postpone it until the same time tomorrow night. 71. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In other news,this will be Barney Hall's final race as a lead announcer. He will transition to doing features on drivers,races,and tracks after 50 years. 72. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^of MRN. 73. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "BREAKING NEWS: Terror alert postpones Coke Zero 400 until July 20." This is by and far, one of the most disgusting AND stupidest comments I have ever seen on this site. And that's saying a LOT. 74. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...and it's gone. Good riddance. 75. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "In other news,this will be Barney Hall's final race as a lead announcer. He will transition to doing features on drivers,races,and tracks after 50 years." That's sad to hear, but it's also probably about time for him to step down. Just last night he and his fellow broadcaster (whose name I am blanking on at this moment) were running through the starting grid (in inverse order, like normal), and when Hall was supposed to do the top 10, he instead started going from 11th on in the regular order, continuing as such for about 5 positions before realizing his mistake and tapering off, forcing his fellow broadcaster to take over in his stead. 76. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank GOD it's gone. That comment was one of the worst things I have ever seen on RR. 77. numbah10hatah posted: 07.05.2014 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Long Shot: Joe Moore? 78. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "This is by and far, one of the most disgusting AND stupidest comments I have ever seen on this site. And that's saying a LOT." Right up there with Baker's "I'd rather have had Jimmie die on 2/18/01 than Dale Sr." comment and NRF's comparing Jimmie and Knaus to Jim Jones and Charles Manson. Why is it that when we cross the line while making a comment, it's almost always related to Nap-Time? 79. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Long Shot: Joe Moore?" Thank you. 80. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Right up there with Baker's "I'd rather have had Jimmie die on 2/18/01 than Dale Sr." comment and NRF's comparing Jimmie and Knaus to Jim Jones and Charles Manson. Why is it that when we cross the line while making a comment, it's almost always related to Nap-Time? " Hey, remember last year's troll, Ched Little? The one who made fun of the Kennedy assassination? 81. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "BREAKING NEWS: Terror alert postpones Coke Zero 400 until July 20." Needless to say, I am glad I didn't see that when it went up, because I would have gone BAT SH!T CRAZY. 82. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Get on that jackass's back! Not mine! 83. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to the radar,we are in a hole in the cell and it is not raining at the moment. 84. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Hey, remember last year's troll, Ched Little? The one who made fun of the Kennedy assassination?" Forgot about that one. Last year wasn't really the best year this board has ever had. 85. NicoRosbergFan.. posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "According to the radar,we are in a hole in the cell and it is not raining at the moment. " As RR's official meteorologist and a CFL resident, I assure the race is happening. The storms are clearing out and we should be starting by 9 unless new storms pop up. Let's get the ants out of our pants; we all want a race, and we'll get a race. 86. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Forgot about that one. Last year wasn't really the best year this board has ever had. " Someday I will go back through these pages to the tune of "When We Were Young." 87. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What race was Ched Little on? 88. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Go back to last year's Ford 400 or Phoenix 500... it was on the anniversary of Kennedy's assassination... whichever race came immediately before 11/22/13. 89. DB1995 posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going to Volunteer speedway tonight, last time i went to Volunterr on race night Brad Keselowski won at Charlotte so look out 90. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "As RR's official meteorologist" If this site ever implements registration, that should be your signature. 91. The Long Shot posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I see I have now acquired a troll of my own. For the sake of the rest of the board's sanity, I will refrain from saying anything other than that I feel honored to finally be on the same level as NicoRosbergFan. 92. numbah10hatah posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hell, I've had a troll. Troll10Hatah. 93. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I see I have now acquired a troll of my own. For the sake of the rest of the board's sanity, I will refrain from saying anything other than that I feel honored to finally be on the same level as NicoRosbergFan. " I hate to curse David, but it looks like he's next... you, me, and he always are always associated as a trio. 94. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just realized something. Jeff Burton said he would run 6-14 races in the 66 and here we are at the half way point in the season and he's only run one. I wonder when he will be back. 95. 23andJoe posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm pretty sure Burton's time in the 66 is dependent on sponsorship. 96. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Burton will run Loudon next week, I believe. 97. Eric posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zackary Shawn, Jeff Burton is supposed to be back for New Hampshire. 98. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Burton said he belives his last race will be Loudon 99. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain is all around the track,but not hitting it. 100. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) nevermind,it is raining again... We won't get this race started tonight,i believe. 101. startandparkfan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) dennyfan11, I wouldn't trust the weather, It is not always right. Sometimes it says the rain is hitting the track when it is not, or says there is a 0% chance of rain when it is pouring. On the other hand, I have seen it say 100% chance rain, and it is sunny. 102. NicoRosbergFan. posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I assure you, the rain WILL go away. The dynamics of rain in Florida is vastly different than it is elsewhere. 103. Daniel posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Go Gordon! 104. startandparkfan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^There it is! 105. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just know this rain is somehow going to end in my getting shot again. 106. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I wish some in the NASCAR media would realize that posting a still image of a weather radar without directional information is almost completely useless. A storm moving east could have a completely different meaning than a storm moving north within the the context of the track and race. 107. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To add more to Jeff Burton, he was also supposed to run at Michigan a few weeks ago, but they decided to run Brett Moffitt instead after his good run at Dover. But yeah, Jeff is supposed to be back at Loudon next week. Hopefully he can get a good run in, since it very well could be his last race. 108. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) the weather cell is HUGE,and keeps getting bigger. See you on Sunday. (not really) 109. Uncle Andy posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I remember during a rain delay a few years ago somebody asked Dick Trickle if he thought the rain would stop. Without hesitation he advised "Of course, it always does" That was the end of the interview. 110. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "the weather cell is HUGE,and keeps getting bigger. See you on Sunday. (not really) " I give up... 111. Seagal posted: 07.05.2014 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm 40% hopeful we'll get to race tonight. There's nothing forming in the Gulf so if what's overland rains itself out by 8:30ish, they can dry it in time. The race can start as late as 10-10:30. 112. numbah10hatah posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola is trying too hard to impress the camera. 113. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) UPDATE:Still raining,cell keeps getting bigger. 114. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) However,a hole is opening up and getting bigger,and is approaching the track. 115. epzik8 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought the rain would be gone by now. Guess I should have looked at the forecast. 116. Eric posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I read a depressing rumor for the cup schedule. According to Chris Myer's tweeter account, Darlington may be moved to the second date on the Cup schedule. Chris Myers matter of fact mentioned that Darlington getting the 2nd date on the Cup Schedule has a very good chance. I call this bad news because it seems like NASCAR is trying to set up Darlington to fail based on how the weather can be. 117. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tweet on NASCAR. Dustin Pari "Time to cook up some ravioli and get ready for @Nascar! What a splendid night to sit and watch my favorite sporting event. So happy!" NASCAR @dustinpari Hope you enjoy the ravioli and the race! LOL. 118. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "According to Chris Myer's tweeter account, Darlington may be moved to the second date on the Cup schedule. Chris Myers matter of fact mentioned that Darlington getting the 2nd date on the Cup Schedule has a very good chance." That would be really depressing, but I'll believe it more when I hear about it from someone other than Chris "Is It NFL Season Yet?" Myers. That guy seems like he has never cared about Nascar, so I don't know why he would be speculating on schedule changes and whatnot. 119. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jet Drying has stopped. 120. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If they put Darlington's date second on the schedule for next year...oh boy. I keep having dreams in which Darlington is booted off the schedule in favor of a second date at Kentucky, Chicago, Las Vegas, or a new race date at Iowa. Kentucky, Chicago, and Las Vegas do not deserve two dates, and Iowa...I like Iowa, but if they kicked Darlington off the schedule in favor of it, I would be ANGRY. Sadly, I can easily see Darlington being gone within the next 10 years or so... 121. John Royal posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stopped because track is dry or because it is raining? 122. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because it is raining. 123. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Barney Hall is in the broadcast booth. 124. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "According to Chris Myer's tweeter account, Darlington may be moved to the second date on the Cup schedule. Chris Myers matter of fact mentioned that Darlington getting the 2nd date on the Cup Schedule has a very good chance. I call this bad news because it seems like NASCAR is trying to set up Darlington to fail based on how the weather can be." At this point NASCAR should just do what they've wanted to do since 2004 and give up on Darlington. It's so obvious that they want to screw that track as much as possible in favor of yet another bland mid-western track. This is just so painful to see a great track like Darlington in this state. 125. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) how old is Barney Hall? 81-82? he still looks pretty good! 126. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 82. 127. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why would it be a bad move to have Darlington as the 2nd race of the season? It seems like it would be good for the track as it would help keep momentum going for the series after the Daytona 500. 128. cjs3872 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Changing the subject a little, TNT just ran a piece on Jeff Gordon and his racing roots and after that, Kyle Petty made some interesting comments about dominant drivers and "eras", and Kyle said it's still the "Jeff Gordon Era", and that Jimmie Johnson, even with more championships (6 to 4, currently), is not up there with Gordon, and Earnhardt, and Richard Petty. (Kyle even said that Jimmie Johnson fans might be upset at him for making those comments, but that's the way he sees it.) 129. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am 100% sure that the race will be tomorrow. 130. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why would it be a bad move to have Darlington as the 2nd race of the season? It seems like it would be good for the track as it would help keep momentum going for the series after the Daytona 500." Speaking as someone who lives in South Carolina, the weather is often not that great around that time of year. 131. 23andJoe posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Those of us with longer memories will recall that the TranSouth 400 was a bit of a weather magnet - and that was in late March/early April. Running Darlington in February is just asking for trouble. Of course, this is when I shake my cane and declare that the only race that should be run as the second race of the season is Rockingham, with Richmond, Atlanta and Darlington following up... 132. Eric posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If NASCAR put another race track date for the Midwest on the cup Schedule, it will kill one of off one of the track dates in the Midwest for 2017. I think IMS would be fine, but Michigan would be victim due to the fact Michigan's max capacity this year is now 72,000 or Kentucky. While Darlington is being mentioned, there also is a rumor of Dover could get one of their 2 track dates gone also. 133. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "If they put Darlington's date second on the schedule for next year...oh boy. I keep having dreams in which Darlington is booted off the schedule in favor of a second date at Kentucky, Chicago, Las Vegas, or a new race date at Iowa. Kentucky, Chicago, and Las Vegas do not deserve two dates, and Iowa...I like Iowa, but if they kicked Darlington off the schedule in favor of it, I would be ANGRY. Sadly, I can easily see Darlington being gone within the next 10 years or so..." With Darlington being an ISC track, I see Bri-Bri trying to take Darlington's date to Homestead for a 2nd race before going to Kentucky or Vegas; especially if they keep it as the 2nd race right after Daytona. "(Kyle even said that Jimmie Johnson fans might be upset at him for making those comments, but that's the way he sees it.)" i.e. the media. 134. cjs3872 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The problem with making the Southern 500 the second race of the season is that you would have two crown jewel races in a row to start the season. That would be like having the Masters one week and then having the U.S. Open or the PGA Championship the very next week. What they should do is to spread the big races out, not contract them on the schedule. That's one reason why I don't think it was such a bad thing in 2004 when the Southern 500 was the next-to-last race on the schedule that one season, and having such an important race so close to the end of the season can never be a bad thing, in my mind. To me, that's one reason why NASCAR has been losing n overall popularity. With no big races after July, there's nothing to put NASCAR on the sporting radar from August 1 through the end of the season, except for the Chase cutoff and the Chase opener, but once that race is run, NASCAR goes off the sporting radar until the following February. What they should do is to move the Southern 500 close to the end of the season and put it in the Chase, about where they had it in 2004, because never has that race meant more to the crowning of a champion than it did that year, since there was only one race left after the Southern 500. And to have the most demanding race in the sport so close to the end of the season would actually make the championship actually mean something, because there is no more demanding race in all of NASCAR than the Southern 500, regardless of when it's run. But putting it as the second race of the season is perhaps the worst possible place to put it, because the drivers and teams are already mentally and emotionally worn out after SpeedWeeks, and then to put THE most demanding race on the entire circuit as the next event will result in nobody having anything left in the tank after that race for about a month. 135. Uncle Andy posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kentucky will not get a second date anytime soon and actually safer saying never. 136. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clearing on the way! 137. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nevermind,it will miss the track. I think there is a 95% chance of tomorrow,5% of today. 138. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.05.2014 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When was the last year that BOTH Daytona races were plagued with rain issues? 139. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But putting it as the second race of the season is perhaps the worst possible place to put it, because the drivers and teams are already mentally and emotionally worn out after SpeedWeeks, and then to put THE most demanding race on the entire circuit as the next event will result in nobody having anything left in the tank after that race for about a month." maybe thats the point? 140. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Rain continues,no clearing in site. I can't wait for tomorrow's NASCAR race! can an upset win,or will it be someone else?Find out tommorrow. 141. numbah10hatah posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) All-Access with JOSH WISE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I know it's from Pocono, but SWEET!!! 142. dennyfan11 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Green flag! Kyle Busch leads. 143. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Green flag, guys! Quick question...when did MWR bring Truex and the 56 NAPA car back? Must have missed that news, but he's running second at the moment. 144. RaceFanX posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And TNT has begun rerunning the 2013 race. At least it's racing! YEEHAW. Want some good news...They said it couldn't happen and they only mostly right. A few years of Knoxville Nationals A-main results will be making their way onto this site sometime in the future. 145. TS1420 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Rain Delay in Daytona - Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo. Hopefully Chris Meyer is just talking out of his ass on a subject he knows/cares nothing about (NASCAR). But wouldn't surprise me if NASCAR is planing on poisoning Darlington more so they can finally kill it. "Changing the subject a little, TNT just ran a piece on Jeff Gordon and his racing roots and after that, Kyle Petty made some interesting comments about dominant drivers and "eras", and Kyle said it's still the "Jeff Gordon Era", and that Jimmie Johnson, even with more championships (6 to 4, currently), is not up there with Gordon, and Earnhardt, and Richard Petty. (Kyle even said that Jimmie Johnson fans might be upset at him for making those comments, but that's the way he sees it.)" I agree with this. Petty, Earnhardt & Gordon (And the 10 Year Yarborough/Waltrip Junior Johnson Era in between the Petty & Earnhardt Era's) had their Dynasties/Era's tested by full seasons combating mentally strong drivers and/or teams. Johnson has had "debris caution" 10 race seasons uncontested by mentally weak/unstable drivers and/or teams that can't get their heads out of their asses. 146. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Be prepared for a bunch of people on Twitter to say that the race began even though it clearly says on the screen that TNT is replaying last year's race on July 6, 2013. 147. RaceFanX posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They have the year and date on the screen during the replay, they'll be no mixups this time. 148. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) They could at least pick a better race to re-run. Like maybe the 2007 race. 149. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They have the year and date on the screen during the replay, they'll be no mixups this time." Don't be too sure of that...there ARE some really thick-headed people out there... 150. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Coke should take those custom cans/bottles and publish a note with a Twitter handle and some sort of Hashtag #gotyourmessage so that when a person/people gets your message and can you can follow the people and learn who gets your can and what they do with it and where they got it I think you know what i'm saying 151. Where have you gone NRF? posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) "I assure you, the rain WILL go away. The dynamics of rain in Florida is vastly different than it is elsewhere" "As RR's official meteorologist and a CFL resident, I assure the race is happening. The storms are clearing out and we should be starting by 9 unless new storms pop up. Let's get the ants out of our pants; we all want a race, and we'll get a race" What an ass hat. 152. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Quick question...when did MWR bring Truex and the 56 NAPA car back? Must have missed that news, but he's running second at the moment." It must have been a 1-race thing since I am just hearing of this, but then again look who's talking 153. TS1420 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Kentucky will not get a second date anytime soon and actually safer saying never." It could if Boss Hogg aka Bruton Smith buys either Pocono or Dover and cannibalizes its races for more "fun" at Kentucky & Las Vegas. 154. 23andJoe posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knoxville Nationals results? Awesome! 155. Uncle Andy posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually as we all should know, never say never. I live about 70 minutes northeast of Kentucky Speedway and word on the street is that Bruton Smith is exploring the idea of getting an airport built near the track. The logistics of getting team personnel/VIP's and the like to and from the track are horrible. 156. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I wish Bruton Smith would retire. 157. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) That last commercial break was 56 laps long. This is absurd. 158. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Holy cow, this race is flying by! Almost half way already. This race might be going by at record breaking speed. 159. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) The jokes about how last year's race is this year's race aren't funny, guys... 160. jabber1990 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The logistics of getting team personnel/VIP's and the like to and from the track are horrible." Jim Noble said "i'm flying into Cincinnati,which is a city in Ohio, my hotel in in Indiana, and the race is in Kentucky, i'm so confused" 161. David posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hell, I've had a troll. Troll10Hatah." I hate to take the shine off your badge of honor, but you haven't really had a troll until someone else uses your exact screen name. 162. Uncle Andy posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Actually the airport CVG is in Northern Kentucky. 163. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn, they've really jumped around in showing last year's race. They showed the first 20 laps, then they jumped to lap 74, and now they've jumped to less than 10 laps to go. 164. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Holy cow! 8 laps to go already. They have got to be pretty damn close to breaking the sound of speed at the rate they're going. I have a feeling that Johnson will wreck Kahne if he gets a run. 165. cjs3872 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) As I write this, there is rain stretching back slightly more than halfway across the state of Florida, as rain stretches back to Ocala. And I just went to the Weather Channel's Futurecast, and it has rain (and potential thunderboomers) for Daytona Beach going all the way past midnight and possibly 1 AM, and I know NASCAR's not going to wait that long to try to get it in tonight, so if they're right, the best opportunity is for them to try to get it in tomorrow. They can't even interview drivers because of lightning, so even that option is not available to TNT. So to me, unless something changes, I expect an announcement from NASCAR just about any time, because they were pulling the drying equipment from the track (and they've zoomed ahead to the finish of this race last year, another indication to me that a decision is coming very soon). 166. Uncle Andy posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Brian France gives "State of the Sport" If he would write down everything he knows about racing either on or off the track it would not fill up a cocktail napkin. 167. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Called it! 168. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 145. TS1420 posted: I agree with this. Petty, Earnhardt & Gordon (And the 10 Year Yarborough/Waltrip Junior Johnson Era in between the Petty & Earnhardt Era's) had their Dynasties/Era's tested by full seasons combating mentally strong drivers and/or teams. Johnson has had "debris caution" 10 race seasons uncontested by mentally weak/unstable drivers and/or teams that can't get their heads out of their asses. ^ I disagree with this. Between Tim Richmond and Jeff Gordon, there was not one danm driver that did anything for multiple seasons that messed with Dale Sr. 1989 was frustration, but the situation was realistically out of his control as the season closed out, like Johnson's was in 2012. Maybe, MAYYYYBEEE with the exception of Mark Martin's 1990 season and Wallace's 1989 season, Dale Sr just f*cking broke everyone mentally. Dale Sr has such great numbers because the majority of the field he raced against had talent, but those drivers and teams were just as weak mentally (not more, but not much less) as the drivers Johnson has went up against between 2006 and today. The same can be said about Jeff Gordon. After Terry's championship, which again, situation fell out of Gordon's hands in the finale, was there ANYONE that even came close to messing with Jeff season in and season out? Sure, he had his off years in his run between 1996 (1995 was a crossover between Dale and Jeff) and 2004 (After 2004/5, everything kind of fell apart save for 2007). How many times have the people on this board looked at the years between 1998 and 2001 and admitted that it was one of the shallowest fields in terms of talent? Dale Jarret, Terry and Bobby Labonte (Iffy on Bobby), Mark Martin, and an injured Dale Sr. I don't recall anyone else giving Jeff a run for his money, and none of them actually doing it for multiple seasons. In that case, the competition was strong mentally, evidenced by the types of champions in '96, '99, 2000, and '03, but Mark aside, they all lacked talent or were overcoming injuries/dead. The only man who would fit that category would be Richard Petty. Pearson, Yabrough, Allison were tough customers, and they consistently tested him for seasons on end. Am I saying that lessens what Dale Sr or Jeff did? No. Their stats are final, they definitely owned their dynasties, or in Jeff's case, aren't going to shrink anytime soon. 169. AveryNH posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They could at least pick a better race to re-run. Like maybe the 2007 race." Agreed murb. I recall being at my aunts' housesitting, watching the race on their DvR (cutting edge electronics in 2007), rewinding and replaying the last lap for about an hour, still absolutely stunned by how McMurray pulled off the win, then I accidentally flipped to SNL. Everything erased. Ahh technology. 170. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "If he would write down everything he knows about racing either on or off the track it would not fill up a cocktail napkin." It's ironic that you say that, since I'm pretty sure Brainless Brian probably has tons of cocktail napkins lying around. 171. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In all seriousness, we all know this race isn't going to happen tonight. 172. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm hearing that unofficially the race has been rescheduled to tomorrow at noon. No official word yet... 173. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, this race isn't happening tonight. 174. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm hearing that unofficially the race has been rescheduled to tomorrow at noon. No official word yet... Nothing will probably be said until the top of the hour. 175. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well if what I'm hearing is correct, we will have the first 400 mile July Daytona afternoon race since 1997. 176. TS1420 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) Piss off, Johnson ;) 177. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's official. NASCAR's Twitter page says tomorrow at 11 am. 178. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.05.2014 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Awesome, triple-header tomorrow. 179. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hope all of our West Coast fans are OK with getting up at 8am for the race tomorrow. 180. Schroeder51 posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 11 in the morning tomorrow? Here's hoping I can get out of bed in time! :D (I'm a very heavy sleeper...) 181. epzik8 posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wasn't prepared for a day race this weekend! 182. murb posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) That kind of sucks that it's that early, but oh well. Guess I have to be up by 9:00. 183. Anonymous posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I started the PBS discussion back in February, and now I'm gonna start it again. Kermit: Hi there, Kermit the Frog here reporting for NASCAR on PBS. We have just received word that the Coke Zero 400 has been postponed to tomorrow morning. For more, let's send it down to Arthur the aardvark. Arthur: Thanks Kermit. There has been so much rain that NASCAR has decided .to wait until tomorrow to run the Coke Zero 400. To hear what the fans think, let's send it to Big Bird. Big Bird: Thanks Arthur. A lot of fans are disappointed that for the first time in 17 years, we will race in July during the day. Kermit? . Kermit: Thank you Big Bird. We will see you tomorrow 184. RaceFanX posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have to work, I'll miss the race. Bummer...at least it's money. 185. Uncle Andy posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 170 That is exactly why I said it. 186. startandparkfan posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) See you in the morning everyone! 187. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.05.2014 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So the Daytona 500 this year ended at night and the Coke Zero 400 will end in the day. I've stepped into the alternate universe!! 188. Anonymous posted: 07.05.2014 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope TNT goes straight to the race and doesn't stick with their originally planned Lord of the Rings marathon. Otherwise, we'll be getting a lot of "Gandalf takes the lead" comments. 189. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.05.2014 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Does anyone else find this a bit ironic? The last 400 or so miles of the Daytona 500 were ran in the night, and the 400 July miles are to be ran in the day... 190. TS1420 posted: 07.05.2014 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I hope TNT goes straight to the race and doesn't stick with their originally planned Lord of the Rings marathon. Otherwise, we'll be getting a lot of "Gandalf takes the lead" comments." TNT will probably show LOTR & NASCAR "Side-By-Side" with NASCAR in the small no-audio box. 191. cjs3872 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, the fact that the Firecracker 400 has been rescheduled for 11 AM EDT Sunday morning means that there will be almost no viewership of this race on the west coast, since most fans will be either asleep or in church at the 8 AM PDT start, and will be forced to miss at least part of the race as a result. I'll be very interested in what the ratings show, because this may end up being the lowest-rated race run in many, many years due to the loss of the west coast viewership, and possibly even some fans in the east coast and Midwest may not be able to watch the race now that it's on a Sunday morning. However, I do think this may add an unexpected wrinkle into the Firecracker 400 itself, and possibly even produce a winner nobody expects, because the pace will slow down drastically, and the field may spread out like nobody's seen at Daytona since the 2004 Daytona 500. The cooler, faster conditions figured to aid some teams and hurt others, but the expected hotter conditions may help some teams that may have been out of the game with the cooler, faster conditions. The guys we may all have figured as favorites may not be factors at all, and I think we may even see potential tire issues in the race now, since handling will become a much more important factor. However, I don't think the racing will be that good if the field spreads out as much as I think it will in the hotter conditions, because it will be nearly impossible to pass if the field spreads out into smaller packs, which I think will now happen. 192. luigistarted06 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, the day time heat is going to produce some awful racing. Nothing we can do about it though 193. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) A shitstorm over Phil Parson's Sponsorship of the #98 has led to them removing the sponsor they had, replacing it with a Richard Petty memorial for his 200th win 30 years ago. 194. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ha! 11 a.m. East Coast time means that I will be able to see the race without problems, from 5 p.m. 195. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just for my own research purposes I decide to see who has won the most races in the Gen 6 car. The only thing that surprises me about my results is that Stewart and Hamlin have only combined to win 3. I guess that's what happens when you spend a lot of time injured, plus Tony was already slowing down a bit before he got injured. Jimmie Johnson...9 Matt Kenseth...7 Kevin Harvick...6 Kyle Busch...5 Carl Edwards...4 Brad Keselowski....3 Joey Logano...3 Dale Earnhardt Jr....2 Jeff Gordon...2 Denny Hamlin...2 Kasey Kahne...2 Greg Biffle...1 Kurt Busch...1 Jamie McMurray...1 Ryan Newman...1 David Ragan...1 Tony Stewart...1 Martin Truex Jr....1 Brian Vickers....1 196. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:33 am Rate this comment: (1) (4) "Well, the fact that the Firecracker 400 has been rescheduled for 11 AM EDT Sunday morning means that there will be almost no viewership of this race on the west coast, since most fans will be either asleep or in church at the 8 AM PDT start, and will be forced to miss at least part of the race as a result. I'll be very interested in what the ratings show, because this may end up being the lowest-rated race run in many, many years due to the loss of the west coast viewership, and possibly even some fans in the east coast and Midwest may not be able to watch the race now that it's on a Sunday morning." You and the 75 other people who go to church on Sunday out West. 197. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I hope TNT goes straight to the race and doesn't stick with their originally planned Lord of the Rings marathon. Otherwise, we'll be getting a lot of "Gandalf takes the lead" comments." Gandalf takes the lead! 198. cjs3872 posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I no longer live on the west coast, NicoRosbergFan, but if I did, I would have a very hard time being able to watch the race at 8 AM, mainly because the race would be about half over when I would wake up. And I think that goes for most racing fans out there. That's a big reason why the race was moved to primetime. Because then, everyone would have an equal chance to watch it. The 11 AM start time in Florida was convenient for the race because, until 1989, there was no live television for the event, as ABC always carried it on tape delay, usually days after the race had been run, and only showing about 30-45 minutes of the event on Wide World of Sports for many years. It was only when it was moved to ESPN in 1989 that live television came to the event, making the last race that existed then to get live TV coverage. But when CBS bid for the rights to air the race beginning in 1998, they knew they could not air it at that time, so they put lights in at Daytona to run the race at night. 199. 23andJoe posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:30 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) >Yeah, the day time heat is going to produce some awful racing. Funny, the races back during the summer days were all much better than the ones at night. 200. ii posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, the fact that the Firecracker 400 has been rescheduled for 11 AM EDT Sunday morning means that there will be almost no viewership of this race on the west coast, since most fans will be either asleep or in church at the 8 AM PDT start, and will be forced to miss at least part of the race as a result. I'll be very interested in what the ratings show, because this may end up being the lowest-rated race run in many, many years due to the loss of the west coast viewership, and possibly even some fans in the east coast and Midwest may not be able to watch the race now that it's on a Sunday morning." Wait, people in the West go to church? This sounds like a new thing. "I no longer live on the west coast, NicoRosbergFan, but if I did, I would have a very hard time being able to watch the race at 8 AM, mainly because the race would be about half over when I would wake up. And I think that goes for most racing fans out there. That's a big reason why the race was moved to primetime. Because then, everyone would have an equal chance to watch it. The 11 AM start time in Florida was convenient for the race because, until 1989, there was no live television for the event, as ABC always carried it on tape delay, usually days after the race had been run, and only showing about 30-45 minutes of the event on Wide World of Sports for many years. It was only when it was moved to ESPN in 1989 that live television came to the event, making the last race that existed then to get live TV coverage. But when CBS bid for the rights to air the race beginning in 1998, they knew they could not air it at that time, so they put lights in at Daytona to run the race at night." So people on the West Coast don't know how to use DVRs either? 'Tis a shame. 201. startandparkfan posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:33 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not sure the temperatures will play into effect as much as you guys think. Talladega temperatures during the April and October races are only about 5 degrees cooler, and the racing was good then. 202. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where I come from, the traditional "go to church" time is 10-11am, so I would think there might be a better chance of West Coasters missing the end of the race than the beginning. Not to get to theological on y'all, but it's kind of cool being a Catholic because we recognize and continue the Jewish tradition of the Sabbath beginning the evening before. Therefore, we can go to Mass Saturday evening and have it "count" for Sunday (same Scripture readings and prayers as the Sunday Mass). Again, not to be too theological, but it's an interesting tidbit that I like about the Catholic Church. 203. cjs3872 posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @200, using a DVR is much different from watching it live. I was referring to those watching it live. Remember that the vast majority of people don't have DVRs. And @199, the difference between now and then was, back then you could actually race with those cars on the late tracks, but now, once the field gets single-file, you're pretty much stuck in position because the cars can't close in to within less than two car lengths, and if the field does get spread out like I think it will, we could see a race where the field is strung out and nobody can make a pass, and if that happens, then whoever is leading after the final pit stop will likely win the race, and possibly do so unchallenged, because once a guy gets up front, the air his car creates will make the draft work in reverse for those trying to challenge him. In other words, instead of aiding the trailing cars, the air will actually act as a repellant force and slow the trailing cars down, effectively preventing them from closing up past a certain point. 204. John Royal posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So how's the weather today? 205. Seagal posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wooo, a noon race. The spotters will love this. 206. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Considering the flight I was going to book would have left Daytona an hour-and-a-half ago and the race hasn't even started, I am now thankful that attending the race didn't work out. It would have been a colossal waste of time and money. Just a small reminder that disappointments can actually be blessings. 207. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is'nt this race starting at 11? 208. Daniel posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Gandolf! 209. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cbs Sports is airing a rerun of the Toyota Pro Celebrity race. 210. startandparkfan posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) CBS Sports is becoming the new SPEED. There is a ton of racing being shown today. 211. JRacingFast posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brace yourself.....Butthurt Lord of the ring fans are coming....As for me....Im excited! A sunday afternoon race in july at daytona!!! Should be a classic! 212. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is irrelevant to the race, but my TV guide says they started showing Fellowship of the Ring at 800 (900 Eastern) and they are already at the end of The Two Towers. These must be EXTREMELY abridged versions. Hell, maybe they'll get in Return of the King before the end of the race, after all. 213. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) In all honesty, I can't wait to monitor Twitter and see how mad LOTR fans are in 10 minutes. 214. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Brace yourself.....Butthurt Lord of the ring fans are coming...." Lol, I can see it now: "Why the f*ck is Elijah Wood wearing a cowboy hat?" 215. Seagal posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zack, your TV guide must be wrong because I was up at 6:30 this morning and Fellowship was nearing the end. 216. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Zack, your TV guide must be wrong because I was up at 6:30 this morning and Fellowship was nearing the end." My guess is they bumped up the schedule so that they can still get the entire marathon in. 217. startandparkfan posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Get ready for the biggest war since the great HTML war, the war between LOTR fans and NASCAR fans! 218. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) LOL At how fast the credits for LOTR are going by. 219. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I swear I've never seen credits go by that fast before. The actor's names stayed on screen for no more than half a second! They came in just in time for the command. 220. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I feel really bad for anybody who was trying to watch The Lord of the Rings. The TV guide for Time Warner hadn't added NASCAR to their guide, so the movie just ended about an hour in (of almost 4) and the credits randomly started playing. They'll try to watch the next movie in the series later and then realize that they actually did miss something. 221. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am watching NASCAR on Fox Sports 2 on Foxtel in South Australia at 12:30am on Monday morning. At least it's University Holidays. 222. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) I wasn't even aware that people still went to church, cjs3872. 223. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully this one will go caution free so I get to see it all. The IndyCar race starts at 1. 224. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Monitoring Twittrr right now. Lol, yepm, the LOTR fans are pissed. 225. Cumulonimbus posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Showers are already popping up around Daytona... this is most likely gonna have a few cautions and maybe a red flag for rain. 226. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:09 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) "the LOTR fans are pissed." If they are that diehard of LOTR fans, then they probably own like the entire box set on DVD or whatever. And even if they don't, there are plenty of other ways to watch it. So there's not really that much reason to be mad. 227. startandparkfan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Over/Under how many laps it will take for Johnson to force the top 4 to the back. I say under 10! 228. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since when does Cole Whitt drive for Roush??? 229. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully this iffy weather situation will make things exciting right off the bat. 230. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since when does Cole Whitt drive for Roush??? That change happens next week. This week they finally changed the Ganassi 40 to Circle Sport's. 231. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Josh Wise drives the old Yates #98 from when Menard drove it... 232. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What are the chances of a 2001 The Winston happening on the opening lap? Twitter says it's actually raining quite hard. 233. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chad's Hair Plugs: Actually, the #40 is Hillman Racing. :P 234. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) With the heat of the day, I am expecting to have a HUGE number of overheating engines with that tiny grill opening. 235. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) To the back: #83-Ryan Truex adjustments 236. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bold prediction: Like the 2003 Daytona 500, this race will just barely make it past halfway before rain cuts it short. 237. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its awfully dark on the backstretch. 238. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Waved off the start. 239. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If they are that diehard of LOTR fans, then they probably own like the entire box set on DVD or whatever. And even if they don't, there are plenty of other ways to watch it. So there's not really that much reason to be mad." Exactly. I'm a fan of LOTR myself, and you know what I say to them: get over it. You're probably better off watching them on DVD anyways, what with TNT's many commercials and whatnot. 240. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it'll be another 10-15 minuted before we actually get going. 241. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They added another lap because of the rain. Yeah, it really does look like they are still gonna be fighting rain today. I don't know what the forecast is for later, but maybe they should have just postponed it to Sunday night. 242. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW, Aborted start. Well this concludes my full day of Racing, with V8 Supercars in the afternoon and now NASCAR past midnight. 243. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They've added another lap again. Is it raining at the track? 244. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb, I think the forecast is actually worse for tonight. 245. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "murb, I think the forecast is actually worse for tonight." Well, nevermind. 246. Seagal posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kenseth said on the radio it is sprinkling in turn 1. 247. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One to go again. I'm already expecting them to wave off the start again. 248. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I saw one pop-up shower going over Daytona Beach, but after that it's nothing but clear on the radar. I think we will get this race in today, but it may not be pretty. 249. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think there will be one water related accident today. 250. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That radar doesn't look promising. I'll be pretty surprised if this isn't rain shortened. 251. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) GREEN FLAG!!!!! 252. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boogity Boogity Boogity let's go racing at Daytona boys and Danica! FINALLY! 253. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like they are going green this time by. This may not end well... 254. New14 & 88Fan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally Green Flag! 255. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Already Landon Cassill gets shuffled out by Johnson and Kenseth. 256. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Bobby Labonte is going to the back. 257. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm glad Gilliland is staying up front. 258. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gilliland is gonna wreck the whole field changing lanes like that. 259. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby Labonte on the outside is now coming towards the front. 260. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth takes the lead from Gilliland after 5 laps. 261. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) LABONTE!!! 262. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is just awesome having a morning Coke Zero 400 again. And I see passing is really easy so far. They're racing three wide with ease. 263. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, 10 rows of 3-wide. 264. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The entire pack is 3-wide right now. 265. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The front row starters are doing well so far. Especially Gilliland. He knows what to do on a plate track. 266. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Rain 267. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for rain. 268. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for rain. F*ck me. 269. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) f**k. Caution for rain. 270. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) RAIN. Caution. 271. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is a lot of movement in the middle of the pack. Looked like quite a bit of wiggling to me. 272. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now it's raining. It's going to be a long day today. 273. New14 & 88Fan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yellow for rain. This won't be the only rain caution today. 274. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:29 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Luckily I think this one is just a sprinkle. 275. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Waved off the start again. 276. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Does anyone care about sharing a Coke with Danican't?? 277. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Luckily I think this one is just a sprinkle." From what the radar looks like, I get the feeling we'll have quite a few "sprinkle cautions" today. 278. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has just told air titans to power up. 279. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Down pit road covering cars, according to Facebook. 280. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR has just told air titans to power up. " WOW. I stayed up past midnight for a rain race? Remind me again why Sprint Cup cars don't run full grove tires on an oval? 281. Cumulonimbus posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm no expert on Florida's local weather conditions, but by the looks of the radar I can imagine those small sprinkles consolidating into a big storm during the next couple hours, like the one we saw last night. But I hope I'm wrong. 282. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Cool. Got up at 9:00 to watch 9 laps. 283. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag. 284. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red is out. 285. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is TNT doing a race recap now? We've had like 5 laps of green flag racing. Red flag out. 286. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's the problem...there are probably going to be intermittent showers until 300EDT and then after that it looks really, really bad. The race may have to run between those intermittent showers and that may not be possible, frankly. 287. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Remind me again why Sprint Cup cars don't run full grove tires on an oval? " No amount of treading will give one of these the grip it needs to run on an oval in the rain. It's just to dangerous. 288. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its good to see the commercials being run now, but since its TNT, my hopes aren't up for seeing more green flag racing. 289. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Out of curiosity...what does the weather forecast look like for tomorrow? 290. New14 & 88Fan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag. This is gonna be a long day. 291. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 8 years in Florida and I have never seen rain just form out of the blue like that over a location before the seabreeze interaction. 292. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Worse news. Drivers exiting cars. 293. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Back at Daytona, still under red flag, back at Daytona after a break" is this week's Adam Alexander catchphrase. 294. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) More bad news,cars being covered up with tarps. 295. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Out of curiosity...what does the weather forecast look like for tomorrow?" The same. In fact, it looks like rain is forecasted for the entire week. 296. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No amount of treading will give one of these the grip it needs to run on an oval in the rain. It's just to dangerous." OK, I see now. I do wonder though (And I have read that I am not alone) who doesn't NASCAR allow Sprint Cup cars to run rain tires on road courses? Is it power? Or is it something else? 297. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm guessing they won't make it to lap 100... 298. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They should just go ahead right now and shorten this to 80 laps. It's inevitably gonna be rain shortened. 299. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb: Wouldn't it have to go to lap 81? 300. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cars being uncovered. That's a good sign. 301. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They should just go ahead right now and shorten this to 80 laps. It's inevitably gonna be rain shortened." I would not be shocked if they couldn't even make it that far and ended up having to come back again tomorrow... 302. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "murb: Wouldn't it have to go to lap 81?" That's what I meant. 303. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @296 Quite frankly the drivers just can't handle it well enough to put on a show like NASCAR desires. The Nationwide Series tried it in race conditions in Mexico, but it was such a crash fest that they decided not to do that again I guess. Until that incident they did bring rain tires to Road Course events. Not since. 304. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@296 Quite frankly the drivers just can't handle it well enough to put on a show like NASCAR desires. The Nationwide Series tried it in race conditions in Mexico, but it was such a crash fest that they decided not to do that again I guess." I'm guessing you missed Road America a few weeks ago. Either they raced in the rain for that race, or I have been lied to my whole life about what rain is. 305. Seagal posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't think Matt has even gotten out of his car yet. That's focus, lol. 306. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor Brain. 307. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DRIVERS CALLED BACK TO CARS!!! 308. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Drivers have been called back to their cars. 309. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Drivers getting back into their cars, good sign. 310. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Drivers back to their cars. 311. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) No, I hadn't seen the Road America race. It was following the Mexico Nationwide race that the Sprint Cup quit bringing rain tires to road events though. Drivers back to cars, and Cornys to NBCSN, because it's noon and IndyCar coverage is about to begin :) 312. startandparkfan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least if there is a lot of rain, we have the IndyCar race on NBCSN and starting at 2, the Winchester ARCA race on CBS Sports. 313. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's the first pass Wally's had in a long time. 314. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jet drying finished. "Drivers, restart your engines" 315. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "That's the first pass Wally's had in a long time." But I'm sure Brett Bodine has seen cars flying past him like that multiple times. 316. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Engines have been refired. 317. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After a 26 minute rain delay,the red flag has been lifted and we are back underway! 318. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LET'S DO THIS!! (AGAIN) 319. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going green again! 320. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I sort of understand the point of competition cautions, but when you're already pushed for time, then maybe it's not the best idea. 321. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Three wide already. They are really going for it early as they know this race may not go all the way. 322. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TONY!! That was a power move!! 323. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stewart takes the lead. Bobby Labonte battles for second. 324. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LABONTE!!! 325. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby Labonte to second. 326. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3 wide all the way down!!!! what a start! 327. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LOOK AT LABONTE 328. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I sort of understand the point of competition cautions, but when you're already pushed for time, then maybe it's not the best idea." Agreed, it's a dumb idea to still have this competition caution. 329. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THE BIG ONE!!! 330. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Huge crash on the front stretch. 331. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All the favorites...DONE 332. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now a huge ass crash. Lots of great cars like Stewart, Johnson, and Earnhardt Jr. 333. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And here it is...the Big One. Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Larson, and others involved. 334. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LABONTE TO THE LEAD!! BIG ONE! 335. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon just had a harrowing escape. 336. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Stupid racing = stupid results 337. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THE BIG ONE! 338. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Go figure that Stenhouse causes it by overdriving. 339. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse Jr, Stewart, Gordon, Kenseth, Keselowski, other involved. 340. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #48 is DONE. Not good to see people crashing, but there is something in it, which makes these (rather harmful looking) big ones cool. GREAT job by Wise to miss it. 341. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse got loose off turn 4. 342. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff got some damage in that crash too. Heavy damage to Edwards, Johnson, Bayne, and Stewart. 343. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) No, Gordon caused it. 344. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "rather harmful looking" Eh, wanted to write the opposite. Harmless looking. 345. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sorenson, Gilliland, Ragan, Labonte in front of the accident. THANK YOU RACING GODS!!! 346. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I knew that was going to happen considering how hard they were racing this early. I was JUST about to say I was worried that this was going to happen when the accident occurred. 347. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm going to do something I rarely do...good job avoiding that, Danican't. 348. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No! Jesus Christ! Every one of my favorite drivers are junk now! 349. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) From Harvick's onboard, it seems both he and Jimmie did well and then got unlucky. Danica and Hamlin also missed it due to luck/talent. 350. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon's damage looks repairable, as does Kenseth's and Dale Jr.'s. Johnson, Stewart, and Edwards are done, though. 351. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unofficially 16 cars involved in that incident. 352. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn you Gordon! At least Johnson was involved. 353. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) LOOK AT ALL THE UPSETS WHO Missed the crash!!!An UPset is certain! 354. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really hope it doesn't start raining now while they are cleaning this up. 355. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I'm going to do something I rarely do...good job avoiding that, Danican't. " Credit where credit's due for Danica getting through that wreck. 356. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2 No Last-Place finish streaks at risk here with Jimmie Johnson and Kevin Harvick praying that they wern't the lowest ranked car that is going to DNF. 357. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Got here and jumped onto a live stream just in time to see an onboard replay from Stewart's car. Good lord, what the hell happened!? 358. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "LOOK AT ALL THE UPSETS WHO Missed the crash!!!An UPset is certain!" I feel like the Busch brothers may have something to say about that. 359. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I'm going to do something I rarely do...good job avoiding that, Danican't." My God, the horse lives! 360. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Don't forget that Junior and Gordon are still out there on the track. They may have damage, but they could still be contenders. 361. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse almost got lifted into the air when Stewart hit him. When's the last time that Bobby Labonte and David Ragan got to be in the three squares during pit road service? 362. JRacingFast posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That had to be the most random split screen pit stop weve had in a long time 363. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano, Hamlin, and Biffle are all still out there too. There's plenty of non-underdogs still in the race. 364. The Crimson King posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wasn't there a race at Talladega where Jr. had some damage and still won? 365. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) She avoided it for the most part, but at least on the on-board camera of hers, she got tagged at the end of the wreck by Kenseth. Hell, I'm just happy that Jimmie was involved. :D :D :D :D :D 366. Mr X posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was out of town yesterday and am glad to see that it's like 1997 all over again. Not so glad that Jeff Gordon caused that huge wreck. Stenhouse had it saved and Gordon just misjudged everything. Kevin Harvick missed the wreck but spun into the grass at the last minute. Which was nearly amazing. 367. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently from MRN, Stewart is livid with Stenhouse... 368. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look, the Fellowship of the Ring is almost over according to Time Warner.. 43 drivers fighting to obtain a championship ring.. or, well, something like that. Even those this race hardly matters with regard to that. 369. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Stenhouse almost got lifted into the air when Stewart hit him. When's the last time that Bobby Labonte and David Ragan got to be in the three squares during pit road service?" TNT still never mentioned them once, instead focusing on Jamie McMurray and then anninterview with Jimmie Johnson. 370. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Wasn't there a race at Talladega where Jr. had some damage and still won?" Yeah, the 2003 race where Nascar let him make the pass for the win below the yellow line. 371. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. All of the underdog teams avoided that. 372. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 364: The infamous 2003 Aaron's 499, yes. 27 cars taking various amounts of damage on the 3rd lap with Wallace's tire flying over the fence and Newman almost flipping over. 373. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @367 If so, like most of the drivers, he's an idiot. He should be mad at Gordon. 374. David posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, Crimson King. 2003 Aaron's 499. 375. Cumulonimbus posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well things escalated quickly with that crash. Looking at the radar, they almost certainly won't make it to halfway before next showers come in... and they will likely be heavier than those mere sprinkles in the opening laps. 376. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol at Tony's interview. 377. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wasn't there a race at Talladega where Jr. had some damage and still won?" Yep. 2003 spring race. His fourth in a row. He also came extremely close to passing below the yellow line and may have even done so, but NASCAR let it stand. 378. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Stewart stupidly blames the wreck on Ricky 379. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stewart posting blame of Stenhouse 'being a hero'. Stenhouse says the 33 slowed up and forced him to over-correct. Either way, ridiculously large crash. Almost the opposite of the 500, where the field ran hard and clean in anticipation for the rain, when now, we just have everyone wrecking coming to the competition. 380. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The wreck here was just a racing deal. Not blaming Gordon or Stenhouse for it (though Stenhouse did overdrive that corner). 381. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag! 382. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) REED SORENSON TO THE LEAD!!!!!! 383. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Stewart stupidly blames the wreck on Ricky" Can't blame Gordon since that would upset Hendrick. 384. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorenson takes the lead. That big crash doesn't seem to have fazed them any; they've gone right back to three-wide racing. 385. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These cars are extremely loose. 386. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ragan, Sorenson, Gilland. This is going to be a ridiculous race IF we get it in at least halfway. Praying to god that we do. 387. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow. All of the underdog teams avoided that. " Not all of them. Leavine Family were damaged in the crash. 388. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) LANDON CASSILL TO THE LEAD!!! 389. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LANDON CASSILL TO THE LEAD!!!! 390. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassill to the lead! 391. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am lying in a puddle of sweat right now! 392. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CASSILL IN FRONT! YEAH! 393. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Riding onboard with Aric Amirola in the middle of that thick pack, and Breaking Benjamin's 'Outro' playing in the background. It's an eerie feeling. 394. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gilliland goes back to the point. 395. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I am lying in a puddle of sweat right now!" Okay. 396. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look at this! Cassil! Gilliland! Sorenson! Ragan! Blabonte! RTruex! Wise! Patrick! Allgair! more! 397. Bradley Thomas posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon had minor damage, but he was able to get through. Same thing happened at Talladega in 2013 when two cars ran into him and his crew was able to repair his car. He went on to finish the 2013 Aaron's 499 in 11th place. 398. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Im glad it was almost all big teams that got taken out except maybe the 21 399. The Crimson King posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) @396 Patrick winning would be the worst thing ever. 400. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth has lost the draft after touching the wall. 401. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gilliland almost just caused another big wreck by chopping off Denny Hamlin. I like seeing these underdogs up front, but I hope they don't get overexcited and start a big crash. 402. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm laughing (in a good way) at the fact that the pit reporters have to cover people like Cassill and Gilliland today. 403. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Crimson King: Tell me about it. 404. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm telling you, everyone here on this board has been teleported to a surreal alternate universe where points no longer matter, Danica can have decent races, Daytona 500's are run under night, Jr wins multiple races, and underdogs dominate PLATE races (a type of race difficult for anyone to dominate), and the Coke Zero/Firecracker 400 is ran at day. 405. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris, Turn 1 and 2. 406. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) This will Kill the chase. An underdog will get in,be a chase contender and steal a spot for a guy like Allmendiner or Amirola. He will finish dead last many points back,while theguy who was shut out does decent. Protests ensue,and NAscar Brings back the old chase. 407. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even in a race that may be cut short due to weather, NASCAR found time to slot in a caution for Jacques. Because we're under a "debris" caution. 408. Jacques posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dang it, I was sleeping... 409. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Caution for "debris". 410. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jacques is back! 411. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Actually, that debris might have been from Kenseth hitting the wall. Nevermind. 412. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pathetic. No pit coverage at all for the second-place car. 413. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Please, let Gilland, RTruex, or Cassil win this. 414. Jacques posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I go back to nap. Legit debris off of Sorenson. 415. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 406: I'd love it if NASCAR did that, but they'd probably just change the system to where only drivers that are from big-named teams can get in the chase. 416. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Legit debris!?!? You guys are falling into NASCAR's brainwashing scheme if you really believe that that debris was dangerous! It was a piece of tape! Who was the only car one lap down!? Who draws eyes and their $$$ to the racetrack and televisions?! International Speedway Corporation just netted a few thousand dollars on this caution. That's all NASCAR's about. I don't know how you guys don't see that. 417. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #Tinfoilhats Green flag. 418. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) rain coming. 419. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK Jamie Mac. This is your chance to finally make a Chase. 420. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nothing against Jamie Mac, but comeon Underdogs! Get around him! 421. Matt posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok the TNT guys I normally like...but I saw Stenhouse get loose live on their cameras and only like 10 seconds later did they appear to see the crash. Then, also on their camera, saw Gilliland almost wreck Kahne in 3 and no comment on it like they missed it completely 422. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Truex VS Alex Bowman VS Justin Allgaier for the highest rookie placing. Ryan Truex leading. 423. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Go Cassil! Go Gilliland!! go ANYONE NOT A GOOD DRIVER! 424. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't get why Larry Mac is acting like we are getting all 400 miles in today. They are racing to halfway. Great gamble by Cassill's team to leave his tires on. Track position is key. 425. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't mind a McMurray or Almirola victory. 426. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We've made it to 50 laps. 427. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I saw something on twitter from Nate Monteith, Jeff Gordon had 9 guys over the wall fixing his car when the max allowed is 7, and he didnt get a penalty 428. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TNT is bashing Cassill for not having changed a single tire so far today. Never mind the fact that rain is coming and therefore track position is key. 429. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain being reported on back. 430. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassill will be in the 20s when we get back from commercial. 431. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain being reported in Turn 3. 432. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HOW THE f**k DID BIFFLE KURT BUSCH AND KAHNE GET TO THE FRONT?? 433. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle is now the leader with rain in the area. 434. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 435. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth gets lapped. 436. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Oh please, anyone but Biffle...and Kes. 437. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't get why Larry Mac is acting like we are getting all 400 miles in today. They are racing to halfway. Great gamble by Cassill's team to leave his tires on. Track position is key. I guess TNT finally let Larry out of the bunker he was in last night. He's admitting that the race is to lap 81. 438. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch is going for the lead. 439. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Then again Jeff was already way back there so maybe he did serve a penalty, then again im not real certain 440. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski is not far from getting lapped. 441. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Side by side many rows back. 442. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clint Bowyer is going old school today. We haven't seen him run this conservatively since he was at RCR. 443. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seems some drivers are anticipating this race going all the way... 444. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now not a single underfunded driver in the top 5. 445. JasonB72 posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lots of side by side, like a high speed pace lap. 446. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad Keselowski, not Kurt Busch, just went a lap down. 447. The Crimson King posted: 07.06.2014 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did they just mistake Brad Keslowski with Kurt Busch? 448. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch the leader just got lapped apparently 449. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) I honestly wouldn't be too angry if Danica won today. 450. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adam Alexander is just oblivious in the booth sometimes. 451. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adam Alexander is about 4 years behind 452. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So if the caution comes out, Kurt Busch is the leader and gets the lucky dog. 453. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt in lead...Khane second...is that Danica 5th? 454. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This may be the last commercial break for this race. Oh hell, it's TNT. Why am I even kidding myself? 455. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson is now officially out of the race. He won't finish last, though, because Allmendinger is also officially out with damage from the crash. 456. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Thanks to the Webmaster for deleting that post that ridiculously stretched the page. 457. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) numbah10hatah I really don't care about the stuff you say, but for the sake of all f*, don't stretch the screen. When my wide-screen laptop is even registering a sideways scrollbar, you're going overboard. 458. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Never mind. Thanks to Webmaster for ditching that. 459. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson and Edwards are back in the race. ...And now we're single file. 460. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Please do not shoot me. I don't like when people pick on people. I'm only human! 461. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now they're single-file. Joy. 462. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race has just got A LOT more boring. Single file all the way back. 463. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) the only full funded cars are of course running up front 464. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone has calmed down a bit, filing into single-file racing. About 5 laps before the halfway point that'll probably change. 465. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 10 laps to halfway. 466. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior is seconds away from being lapped. 467. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lap in arreas, another variation on a lap down. 468. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) looks like Kyle Larson and Carl Edwards are back on the racetrack. 469. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Yes, Larson is 43 laps down and Edwards is 44 laps behind according to NASCAR.com. 470. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am about to die! She is doing too well! 471. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I feel like Danica is going to be in position to win and then do something dumb and throw it away. 472. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When did I stretch the page? 473. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer has formed a second line while TNT was on commercial. He was always one to hate riding around. 474. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just a couple of laps away from halfway. We're not going to have to come back tomorrow. I hope they can go much further than halfway...I'd like to see them go ALL the way, but if they can't, I'd like to at least see them make it past lap 100. 475. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Told ya so. Side by side racing again. 476. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Side By side again! 477. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And they're back to double file racing! 478. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A madhouse of cars is a pretty accurate description of pit-raod in NASCAR at restrictor-plate tracks. 479. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I believe you guys confused me with my Danica Patrick horse... 480. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These pit stops are gonna be wild. 481. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Halfway. They are on borrowed time now, IMO. 482. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's now an official race. 483. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Halfway now. 484. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I believe you guys confused me with my Danica Patrick horse..." Yeah, it wasn't you. 485. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race is official. I breath a sigh of relief. Now let's see how much of this thing we can get in here. 486. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mears is steadily in the top 5. Would love to see him make something out of this race. Also, that beautiful USAF car is running just behind him, with a driver who is long overdue. 487. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ignore. My stream is on lap 73. lol 488. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's see.. Keselowski laps down, plus racing with the leaders, equals... Oh no. 489. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Daytona plus Green Flag Pit Stops equals boring race. 490. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mears pits alone. 491. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael McDowell has ended up sideways in his pit stall. 492. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McDowell screws himself on pit-road. 493. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Michael McDowell...you're doing it wrong. :D 494. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, McDowell got all 4 tires in the box. 495. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Captain Jesus is sideways in his pit stall. Apparently it is sprinkling currently in Daytona. 496. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica screws up and over shoots her pit stall. 497. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm pretty sure that was Danica's screw up I saw out of the corner of my eye. 498. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Danica screwed up her pit entry and likely ended her chance at a win. 499. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica messed up badly on pitlane. Is that horse being beaten down yet? 500. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica overshoots her pit, which will remove her from contention for the lead. 501. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well there's your latest piece of ammo numbah10hatah 502. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I apologize to my horse in advance. Danican't overshot her pit box. 503. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon's in the lead? 504. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is starting to remind me of the 2003 race where it got all spread out and Biffle won it through strategy. 505. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is the last to pit. 506. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) God damn it bitch! 507. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now the pack is back together. 508. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now is the time for the crazy racing to start up. 509. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Getting tired of the Danica Coke spots... 510. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bayne, Harvick, and Stewart are all back out on the track. All 3 are 66 laps down. 511. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt still leads. 512. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) THANK YOU SCHROEDER51. 513. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The rain is breaking up around the track, so we could potentially go close to the full distance today. 514. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I apologize to my horse in advance." "God damn it bitch!" Is it bad that I laughed so hard at this? 515. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almost to lap 100. 516. Jacques posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica's out of the draft? I'm on my way! 517. JRacingFast posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jaques strikes again..... 518. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jacques is here. 519. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Debris caution. Funny that it should help the two most popular drivers in the sport regain track position. 520. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Okay, now THIS is a total Danica benefit caution. 521. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain on track, moderately heavy. Kurt's leading under caution. 522. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jacques is back in time to help Danica catch back up and get Junior back on the lead lap again. 523. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Debris" Caution to get Danica Patrick back onto the lead lap. 524. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kurt still has the lucky dog, he's lapped the field. Until 39 cars take the wavearound. 525. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I thank you Jacques for saving my life. Hello, SPCA? 526. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Fan Vote Caution presented by Coke Zero. 527. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution was way to timely 528. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Where on the gigantic 2.5 mile's of this track is there a piece of debri that requires Nascar to slow the field down and run another 10 miles under yellow? 529. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larry Mac is talking about green-white-checkereds... 530. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, was that big space at the end of your comment intentional? To show that there was no debris? 531. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I have a couple of fingers on my hand I want to show Bozo France right now... 532. The Crimson King posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @528 in imaginary land. 533. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ominous Dark Clouds over the track. 534. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Those are some dark clouds. 535. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "JG24FanForever, was that big space at the end of your comment intentional? To show that there was no debris?" No. But it works! 536. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I have a couple of fingers on my hand I want to show Bozo France right now... " The same ones Will Power showed to Brian Barnhardt? 537. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NRF: Yeah. Pretty much. 538. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nasty clouds all around the track. This race might not go much farther...Still, got to keep your hopes up! 539. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) About to go green... THere is rain to the north, the south, the east, the west...just not on track 540. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Get ready for some wild racing, folks. 541. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green. 542. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There goes the rest of the field. Yikes. 543. The Crimson King posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Holy shit, did EVERYONE get involved in that wreck? 544. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And there goes everyone. Kyle Busch flips. 545. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BIG ONE VERSION 2. UNDERFUNDED TEAMS ARE GONE. :'( Gilliland, Whitt, KyBusch on his roof.. 546. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And here's the REALLY big one! And Kyle Busch rolls over... 547. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bigass crash. 548. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The whole field crashes, and Kyle Busch goes on his roof. 549. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Everybody wrecks on the backstretch. Kyle Busch is upside down. 550. JRacingFast posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) WAY TO GO NASCAR.......THROW A BULLSHIT DEBRIS CAUSTION AND THIS BULLSHIT HAPPENS 551. Cumulonimbus posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We got what? 10 cars left? 552. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...Who's left? Almirola, Gordon, Mears, Kurt Busch, Dillon, Vickers, Terry Labonte, Danica, Earnhardt...that might be it! 553. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The big one struck early. Then The Big one of Daytona 2010 called and said he was on 'roids. 554. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy Shit 555. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy hell! Of course Gordon skates on by again. 556. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's gonna take a while to clean up. If it starts raining, Almirola will win. I would definitely be happy with that, but I want to see as much of this race finish as possible. 557. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie McMurray went WAY up in the air. 558. The Crimson King posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If Terry Labonte gets a top 10 here, that would be awesome. 559. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) stupid racing = stupid results 560. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHOA! I think Danica got through the second big one. 561. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) NOW I REALLY WANT TO SHOW BRIAN FRANCE SOMETHING.... 562. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who is left? This might be the biggest crash in the modern era. 563. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) WAY TO GO NASCAR.......THROW A BULLSHIT DEBRIS CAUSTION AND THIS BULLSHIT HAPPENS You kidding me? Those dipshits will be using the in-car cameras from this wreck for next year's ad campaign. 564. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) "WAY TO GO NASCAR.......THROW A BULLSHIT DEBRIS CAUSTION AND THIS BULLSHIT HAPPENS" Yes, asshole move by Nascar to throw that fake caution. 565. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm pretty sure we have singe digits left. 566. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alex Bowman doesn't look to have much damage. 567. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, seriously. This wreck is on the lines of the 1991 Talladega event big. 568. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A second red flag 569. Raheem posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @558 It'd be even more awesome if he won. 570. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They're trying to get Kyle's car upright. And Kyle is climbing out of the car! 571. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) OK safety crews, time is of the essence. Let's get this mess cleaned up. 572. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 90% of the underfunded teams are gone. Ryan Truex, Ragan/Gilliland, Wise, Bowman, Annett, Sorenson... 573. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is just unbelievable. There are about ten cars left after that. It looks like Danica, Jeff Gordon, and Dale Jr are guaranteed top tens as long as they finish the race. 574. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Texas Terry!!! Is Aric leading? 575. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) SO HELP ME IF DANICAN'T WINS THE MF RACE... 576. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This might be the biggest crash in NASCAR history. I'm not sure, but it looked like there were at LEAST 25 cars caught up in that accident. 577. JasonB72 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Reminds me of the Busch race in Talladega of 2002. We waited two days for this crap. 578. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gotta ship out folks. I'll be back likely when the race is over. This is going to be a really weird finish... 579. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to TNT's car count...at least 18 cars were caught up in that accident. 580. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 18 cars involved. So we have, what, 10-15 cars left? 581. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The more I think about it, that fake caution they threw for Danica is starting to piss me off more and more. 582. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassill, Allgaier, Whitt... 583. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So is it a red flag or not? The 43 and 41 are stopped on the track yet Logano and Ragan's crews were working on their cars. 584. John Royal posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is there a red flag, the should not be allowed to fix their cars? 585. Raheem posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Almirola's leading? RAIN!RAIN!RAIN! 586. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) murb: I'm already pissed off. 587. Uncle Andy posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wondering if France is making notes of any of this on the above mentioned cocktail napkin? 588. JasonB72 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @583 Yes, there's a red flag 589. NadeauFan91 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...well then... 590. JasonB72 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @583 Yes, there's a red flag 591. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm sure some of the cars involved will be able to patch up their damage and keep going, but yeah, I think there's maybe 15 cars left at the most. 592. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'm going to say something that's not politically correct, but if nobody gets injured The Big Ones can actually be visually dazzling and exciting to watch. 593. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many were involved. 594. Alexxx posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just. Wow 595. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I'm a big Almirola fan too, but I'll be pissed if it starts raining while they are cleaning this up. They seriously might have screwed up the entire end of this race with their lame ass Danica caution. 596. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR.com says the red flag has been withdrawn, and that there are now 17 cars on the lead lap. 597. JRacingFast posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The skys are getting dark.......Come on NASCAR get this cleaned up time is the essence! 598. John Royal posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really hope this race goes back to green, I want to see the Daytona All-Stars shootout. 599. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 26 cars involved... reminds me of 2005 Talladega 600. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to NASCAR.COM, here's the top 10: Almirola Kurt Busch Terry Labonte Mears Gordon Hamlin Ambrose Earnhardt Jr. McDowell Bowman 601. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Is there a red flag, the should not be allowed to fix their cars?" I think they just have to go to the rear of the field, which actually won't be that bad considering there's hardly anyone left. 602. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is probably now less cars in this race than the IndyCar race. 603. JasonB72 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some random driver has a REALLY good shot at making the Chase. 604. The Crimson King posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Everyone here should root for Terry Labonte. 605. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wow... Twenty-six total cars involved: 5-15-23-18-16-26-38-51-31-27-98-7-83-33-20-40-1-9-22-34-11-10-2-32-36-95. 1 short of the modern era record. 606. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Almirola Kurt Busch Terry Labonte Mears Gordon Hamlin Ambrose Earnhardt Jr. McDowell Bowman" Gordon definitely got some damage in that, so I'd be surprised if he stays in the top 5. 607. JRacingFast posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 592. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm going to say something that's not politically correct, but if nobody gets injured The Big Ones can actually be visually dazzling and exciting to watch. .....Not when the big one got set up after a re-start from a bullshit debris caution 608. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This reminds me of the 1989 Pepsi 400 when 3/4 of the field crashed on the first lap. 609. DB1995 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) the 41 and 43 spotters are in trouble per twitter, they apparently dont understand the red flag 610. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) No way this is as big as the 2002 Busch wreck at 'Dega. That had max. 12 cars survive without damage from the 43. 611. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I'm going to say something that's not politically correct, but if nobody gets injured The Big Ones can actually be visually dazzling and exciting to watch." Agreed. I never root for wrecks because of the potential for injury, but it's always fun to look back at old big ones on YouTube or someplace. 612. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the 41 and 43 spotters are in trouble per twitter, they apparently dont understand the red flag " Would hate it for both, especially Aric, but give them a penalty and Mears is in top. GIMME RAIN! 613. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) "They seriously might have screwed up the entire end of this race with their lame ass Danica caution." Alcoholics/Idiots rarely think about the consequences of their actions. 614. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gordon definitely got some damage in that, so I'd be surprised if he stays in the top 5." He only got minor damage at best, so he should still be fine. 615. David posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Full disclosure, Zackary Shawn: As long as no one is injured, I enjoy watching Big Ones on occasion. 616. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) That has to be Gordon's greatest escape, right? 617. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will admit Big Ones can be fascinating to watch years down the road. It can be interesting to see who narrowly escaped and who wasn't quite so fortunate. 618. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I've seen more cars at the Wall Stadium Father's day specials i went to. 619. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to NASCAR.COM, 16 cars on lead lap. Almirola Kurt Busch McDowell Vickers Dillon Mears Ambrose Hamlin Earnhardt Jr. Danican't Bowyer Terry Labonte Gordon Bowman Menard JoLo 620. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, back to green. Good. 621. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Dale Sr. had gotten involved in the Big One at Daytona in 2001 he might still be alive. I've read an interview with Tony Stewart where he says he wishes he had clipped Dale while he was flipping because Dale just managed to squirm by. 622. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going green with 16 cars on the lead lap. Almirola, Kurt Busch, Vickers, Dillon, Ambrose, Mears, Hamlin, Junior, McDowell, Danica, Bowyer, Gordon, Terry Labonte, Bowman, Logano, and Menard. 623. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That has to be Gordon's greatest escape, right? " Meh. Last year, did you see that race at Talladega? You know, the one with Ragan winning. 624. Mr X posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unfortunately not as many underdogs made it through this wreck. 625. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) According to Adam, The King's last win was in 1974. 626. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We still have enough cars to have a moderately-sized pack racing up front. 627. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a second time for rain 628. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) There's the rain. Almirola in the lead. 629. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for rain. Almirola might just be your winner... 630. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain. 631. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Caution for rain as Aric is leading. Again, I would love to see Aric win, but I really would love to see the rest of this race run if possible. 632. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting fact as per the NASCAR Stats Twitter page...the 43 car has not led the July Daytona race since Richard Petty led the 160th lap of the 1984 event. 633. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Indy Car race is doing something crazy.. they are racing under green for multiple green flag runs... NASCAR doesn't understand that that can be exciting. They prefer to make sure the cash cows have every good chance to excite fans. 634. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Interesting fact as per the NASCAR Stats Twitter page...the 43 car has not led the July Daytona race since Richard Petty led the 160th lap of the 1984 event. " 1992: Richard led the first five laps. 635. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) This race won't end under rain since Danica has a legit shot to win. 636. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Bobby Labonte led the 2007 edition of this race, as well. 637. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almirola is reporting big drops of rain. Of course he would say that, since he's never won a race before :D 638. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "1992: Richard led the first five laps." Yep. And now they've corrected to say the 43 hasn't won this race since 1984. No shit NASCAR Facts. That's not nearly as cool as the previous, incorrect stat. 639. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Meh. Last year, did you see that race at Talladega? You know, the one with Ragan winning." Yeah, but his escape from that last crash was ridiculously close on both ends of his car. 640. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race over Almirola wins, calling it now. 3rd red flag, 2nd for rain. What is the record for the most red flags in a race? 641. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag. 642. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now the cars are stopped on pit road again. 643. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just end this f**king race, NASCAR. 644. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) counting the race starting 8 minutes late because of rain,4 red flags. 645. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cars are stopped on pit road, so it looks like Aric is probably gonna win this thing. I'm totally psyched on that if it happens. I just wish we could have ran a little more. 646. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Backstretch is soaked. Just end this atrocity. 647. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This would make Almirola a triple-crown winner. Who knows? NASCAR might be willing to wait. Even though it was almost midnight, NASCAR waited almost 3 hours just to spite Dave Blaney out of the Daytona 500 two years ago. 648. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's torrential on the east end of the track. 649. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Prediction,they call the race,almirola wins. HEAVY rain there. 650. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Meteorologist's opinion: game over 651. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Isn't that line of rain starting just after the makeshift Battle at the Beach track? Run the rest of the race on that. 652. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is raining HEAVILY on the backstretch. Knowing NASCAR, though, I wouldn't be shocked if they wait it out and go green again. 653. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This would make Almirola a triple-crown winner." A legit truck win, a Nationwide win when someone else literally drove and won for him, and a rain shortened Cup win (presumably). 654. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I hate how they are talking Danica up like she's had an impressive run. She blew it in the pits, and then Nascar threw a caution to help her catch up. She should be in about 15th right now. 655. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) A Michael McDowell interview! 656. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "a Nationwide win when someone else literally drove and won for him" He was dominating that race before they made Hamlin take over though, so it's not like Hamlin just took over a horrible car and won with it. 657. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) A CASEY MEARS INTERVIEW!!!! 658. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He was dominating that race before they made Hamlin take over though, so it's not like Hamlin just took over a horrible car and won with it." Nope. I was merely pointing out what a bizarre collection of wins Almirola would have. Although, I think the green will come back out. 659. Dense Drip posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Why does Terry have to be in 11th? The 32 team's been due for a top 10 for a LONG time. 660. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (7) The only way that this racing league will ever get any better is if a lot of us quit watching it. For the love of NASCAR, please quit watching it. 661. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Time for an interview with Austin "I'm content with running 17th every week" Dillon. 662. Sarf52 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Austin Dillon's eyebrows are rectangles 663. Raheem posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @637 He'd be saying that even if he'd won a thousand races. 664. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The only way that this racing league will ever get any better is if a lot of us quit watching it. For the love of NASCAR, please quit watching it." Good luck with that... 665. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The radar shows that the rain is almost done! 666. JasonB72 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I think Almirola would still win the race if we get back going. He was coming on strong right before the rain. 667. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) "The only way that this racing league will ever get any better is if a lot of us quit watching it. For the love of NASCAR, please quit watching it." Why don't you just watch the IndyCar race and quit worrying about what the rest of us are doing? 668. John Royal posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wonder if they are going to interview Terry. 669. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LOL, Marty with the Danica slam, "We've already talked to you". 670. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't hear his interview, but my friend just texted me and said Kurt essentially said that it's his duty to make sure a nobody doesn't win. Is this accurate? 671. NRF Official ass hat of RR posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (6) "Meteorologist's opinion: game over" Coming from the same ass hat that said the race would happen last night. 672. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I didn't hear his interview, but my friend just texted me and said Kurt essentially said that it's his duty to make sure a nobody doesn't win. Is this accurate?" I think he said it was his duty to make sure that no non-winners win the race, to ensure him a spot in the Chase. I could be wrong. 673. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think Almirola would still win the race if we get back going. He was coming on strong right before the rain." Yeah, he's been pretty strong over the last little while. It wouldn't be a complete fluke if he won. He has benefited from the attrition a bit, but at the same time it's still not like McDowell or somebody like that completely fluking into the win. 674. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) TLS is right. Not even 2011 Kurt would have said THAT. He has no reason to disrespect Aric. 675. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Coming from the same ass hat that said the race would happen last night. " The rain stopped about 30 minutes after they canned the race. 676. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Seriously, Cornys, if NASCAR bothers you that much, you can always just not watch it. You don't need to come on here and try to start a crusade to get EVERYONE to stop watching the sport. I'm not fond of many of the BS tings the sport does, but still I'll watch it because I want to see what happens in each race and who wins. 677. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "McDowell or somebody like that completely fluking into the win." To be completely honest, Captain Jesus has been in the top 10-15 most of the race, would be more deserving than Bowman, Truex or Terry. Although, I would take Bowman or Terry over McD anytime. 678. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) @Murb I chose to post here while completely ignoring the NASCAR race its self in order to try to help return NASCAR to a true sport. I loved NASCAR, and it is not what it used to be. Can't you guys see how bad it has become? The quality of racing is good, but the series is nothing but a joke of its former self thanks to officiating and greed. I've taken my money out of the pockets of those ruining this great series and sport, and I hope against hope that others will to so that it can once again be a great and fair racing series as it once was. 679. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Cornys, I'm more satisfied with NASCAR now than I was back in 2008, which I've always marked as the low point of my NASCAR fandom. 2000-2005 or so was probably the high point. 680. epzik8 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) At least we're past halfway. 681. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "I chose to post here while completely ignoring the NASCAR race its self in order to try to help return NASCAR to a true sport. I loved NASCAR, and it is not what it used to be. Can't you guys see how bad it has become? The quality of racing is good, but the series is nothing but a joke of its former self thanks to officiating and greed. I've taken my money out of the pockets of those ruining this great series and sport, and I hope against hope that others will to so that it can once again be a great and fair racing series as it once was. " The need for speed and the passion drives them. It's passionate love for something that they feel connected to. I felt that passion once, and I respect it. I only comment on these races because I feel like I have friends here, not to drive them away from something they enjoy. 682. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I've taken my money out of the pockets of those ruining this great series and sport, and I hope against hope that others will to so that it can once again be a great and fair racing series as it once was." And how do you know that ignoring and refusing to watch the races would cause NASCAR to make things better? For all you know, they could easily try to make things even MORE gimmicky to try to win more fans in that situation. 683. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Would webmaster please delete #671. That's pretty damned disturbing. I wish webmaster could block particular IP addresses sometimes. 684. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @Zackary As far as quality of racing I would agree, but it's not the quality of racing that I hate as I mentioned previously. The people here who are watching the race are doing so because they love this sport, and love this series. I'm not watching races for the same reason. It's a much harder decision to make for me.. Trust me. I hate missing these races, but it's for the best. 685. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good News everyone! they say the frontstretch is dry.working on backstretch now. 686. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "The quality of racing is good, but the series is nothing but a joke of its former self thanks to officiating and greed." So basically, we should stop watching because of the bad officiating? If I was gonna stop watching Nascar because of the bad officiating, I would have stopped watching a long time ago. You said it yourself. The quality of racing is GOOD. In my opinion, this has been the best first half of a Nascar season in years. There's been maybe three races this year that have been really bad, which, compared to other recent years, that is OUTSTANDING. So that's why I'm watching. For the racing. Yeah, the officiating totally pisses me off sometimes (like the Danica benefit caution earlier), but I can deal with it as long as the racing is good. And the racing has been good this year. 687. Seagal posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kenseth's car is a tank. He's been collected in everything so far and is still kickin in P19. 688. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who is Captain Jesus? 689. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McDowell is Captain Jesus. 690. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thunder and lightning is in the area. 691. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Michael McDowell is Captain Jesus 692. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @NicoFan I understand that, and respect that. @682 In that situation it would end the series, but the series could never truly end. There's too much interest. It would follow the CART/Indy Car model. The new would be better than the old (unlike the CART/Indy Car model). 693. NRF Official ass hat of RR posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (4) (9) This must stop NOW! I have 2 thumbs down. I am tired of being bullied all my life and there will be serious consequences for those involved. lmao at the thin skinned NRF who gets offended on an anonymous board. Must have been thrown down a few flights of stairs to be so sensitive. 694. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "For all you know, they could easily try to make things even MORE gimmicky to try to win more fans in that situation." That's EXACTLY what they would do. 695. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) "This must stop NOW! I have 2 thumbs down. I am tired of being bullied all my life and there will be serious consequences for those involved. lmao at the thin skinned NRF who gets offended on an anonymous board. Must have been thrown down a few flights of stairs to be so sensitive. " I think you're thinskinned to be so immature. You're the one getting offended because I don't like an anonymous board. I am one of the ones pushing for a registration system. If you are so offended, then leave or change your attitude. 696. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They'll probably call this now that there is thunder and lightning near the track. 697. Cornys posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @686 That mentality is exactly why the officiating is bad. The fans think that it is okay as long as the racing is good. Even if the officiating is the cause of the racing excitement (not always, but in some cases). 698. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So basically, we should stop watching because of the bad officiating? If I was gonna stop watching Nascar because of the bad officiating, I would have stopped watching a long time ago." The entire sports industry would shut down if people stopped watching because of bad officiating. Besides, it's not like NASCAR is the only sport/sanctioning body that uses gimmicks. Three pointers in basketball, the designated hitter in baseball, two point conversions and on side kicks in football, double points in some IndyCar and Formula 1 races. All of these are unnatural ways through which the sport is made more exciting through somewhat illegitimate means. 699. Raheem posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thunder. The race MUST be called! 700. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) #693 Piss poor attempt. 2/10. Quit trolling, it's clearly not your field. 701. epzik8 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just saw all the replays and to me, Kyle Busch's flip looks like a mix between Ryan Newman's 2003 Daytona 500 flip and Sam Hornish Jr. turning Casey Mears on his side at Fontana in 2008. 702. David posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Thunder and lightning is in the area." That's very, very frightening... 703. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@686 That mentality is exactly why the officiating is bad. The fans think that it is okay as long as the racing is good. Even if the officiating is the cause of the racing excitement (not always, but in some cases)." And what exactly should be the mentality? Complain about the officiating? If you've noticed, we've done that a lot on this board, and it has been done on other boards, and NASCAR hasn't done jack-shit. At some point we just need to let it go and learn to ignore it. 704. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David, you beat me to it. 705. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) BTW, I am honored to add "Official Ass Hat of RR" to my other titles, right next to "Official Meteorologist" and "Historical Expert." 706. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) CALL THIS f**kING RACE ALREADY! LIGHTNING IN THE AREA! 707. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That's very, very frightening..." Please don't sing "Bohemian Rhapsody" again. Not because I don't like the song (how can you not like it?), but because I've heard so many times that I don't think I ever need to actually hear it again! 708. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @702 GALILEO! 709. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So basically, we should stop watching because of the bad officiating? If I was gonna stop watching Nascar because of the bad officiating, I would have stopped watching a long time ago." Almost every sport, not just NASCAR, is plagued by bad management & officiating. Hell. The NFL, the most popular sport in the nation, has Roger Goodell's ongoing quest to rid the league of fun & slowly turn it into flag football and has a crew of referee's that seem to get more incompetent each season. 710. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I don't think you're an ass hat NRF,you are good. 711. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The NFL, the most popular sport in the nation, has Roger Goodell's ongoing quest to rid the league of fun & slowly turn it into flag football and has a crew of referee's that seem to get more incompetent each season." Taunting. A bunch of grown men play in the NFL and taunting is a penalty. That's all I have to say about that. And what the hell is wrong with dunking the ball through the goal posts? 712. David posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If there is lightning, the race MUST be called. Anyone remember Pocono 2012? 713. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That mentality is exactly why the officiating is bad. The fans think that it is okay as long as the racing is good." So, you're still suggesting that I quit watching? Sorry, but I've been watching for 15 years. I've missed maybe 10 or 15 races in that time period. I've seen the ups and downs. It's too much a part of my routine to just quit. And I have no idea why you think that people quitting will lead Nascar to make changes for the good. Like Schroeder said, they would almost certainly just gimmick it up even more. 714. luigistarted06 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If this holds up, Aric would likely be in the chase 715. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) I'll tell you why they're not calling the race...because Danican't and Junior are still in the running. 716. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That mentality is exactly why the officiating is bad. The fans think that it is okay as long as the racing is good. Even if the officiating is the cause of the racing excitement (not always, but in some cases)." So, what mentality are we SUPPOSED to have? Are these comment sections on NASCAR races supposed to be filled with nothing but angry, agitated comments saying "The officiating is horrible. CHANGE IT, NOW!!!!" Because that would be irritating as all hell. I agree that the officiating is bad, but what can we do about it? Most of NASCAR's "fans" want NASCAR to manipulate races, so complaining won't really do any good when our voices are outnumbered. We basically have to live with what we've got right now. 717. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) red flag for 45 minutes and counting. 718. luigistarted06 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, the last time the #43 won was in 1998 I believe. This would be great, even though the race was nothing but a wreck and rain fest 719. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, that too. There's bad officiating in literally every other sport. The NBA has con-men like Joey Crawford as referees, the NFL has turned into a shell of its former self because you can't even cover receivers anymore without getting penalties, and the MLB's shadiness has been documented for years now. Hell, I didn't watch it, but I even heard the World Cup match yesterday had some bogus calls in it. And motorsports are no different. F1 has had a long history of controversial calls, and IndyCar only recently has started to turn the corner with its officiating. So no, most people aren't gonna just quit watching sports because of bad officiating. 720. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The current update:still raining,but radar looks good. 721. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) What radar do you look at? I look at NWS base... 722. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's not my update,that is the update by Jeff Gluck. 723. luigistarted06 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TWC says it's suppose to rain the rest of the day. I doubt they get the rest of this thing in 724. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Over/Under 50%:the chance we get this race gets back underway. 725. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yeah, this race is most likely over. It's raining for the rest of the day. Kind of wish they would just call it so we could move on. 726. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bad news,according to Jeff Gluck,track is lost except for the S/F line. 727. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I guarantee if someone like Johnson or Danican't or Dale Jr was in the lead, the race would have been called already. 728. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) SO i don't think this race will get back underway. Even though the track has lights,it is supposed to rain all day and night. 729. luigistarted06 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If these are the final results, than I'm not too dissapointed. The only thing is I wish Landon Cassill could have avoided that wreck and finally got his first too 10. Maybe one day though :/ . Also, it would have been nice if Gilli land could have backed up the pole with a strong finish 730. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Update from Steve O Donell.:Track is lost,raining hard. 731. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "I guarantee if someone like Johnson or Danican't or Dale Jr was in the lead, the race would have been called already." If any one of those three were in the lead, the race would have been called before the drivers even got out of their cars and still had an extremely good chance to go back to racing. Instead it's Almirola so he gets the "Dave Blaney" treatment with a poor chance to go back to racing. 732. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) CONGRATULATIONS ARIC ALMIROLA!! RACE IS OVER! 733. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) RACE OVER! Almorola Wins! 734. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Officially over: The 43 is back in Victory Lane 735. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's official...Aric Almirola is a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series winner! 736. David posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congratulations to Aric and the #43 team. 737. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's over. Stoked for Aric. He ran pretty good all day, so it's not a complete fluke. And he's been solid all year, so it's not like it's some hack getting into the Chase. 738. Dense Drip posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Aric. I still don't think he deserves to be in the chase though... 739. An Aussie Commentator posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) YES! ALMIROLA! NASCAR FINALLY DECIDED TO DECLARE THE RACE! Now I can go to sleep. It's 4:30am in Oz. 740. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Race has been called. Aric Almirola wins. Congrats to him and that 43 team on a well-deserved victory. 741. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Love the USAF car in the victory lane. That Ford looks smokin'. 742. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This has to be the biggest day of Almirola's life. I wish the race could have gone full distance and he could have won that way, but still, I'm happy for him. It's great to finally see the #43 going back to victory lane for the first time in many years. 743. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) First win for the 43 since John Andretti at Martinsville in 1999. Great to see. 744. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) At least this crazy race produced a deserving winner. Congrats to Almirola! 745. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) " 671. NRF Official ass hat of RR posted: 07.06.2014 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) "Meteorologist's opinion: game over" Coming from the same ass hat that said the race would happen last night. " Take that, jackass! 746. epzik8 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah! Finally another first-time winner. The last one happened to be Almirola's teammate, Marcos Ambrose. Also the #43 is in victory lane for the first time since 1999 and it's the 30th anniversary of Richard Petty's 200th win. 747. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) Why did they call this race? NASCAr could have waited a very long time,because the track has lights. The radar looked good as well! Another stupid desicion by NASCAR and Brian France. 748. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They actually made it farther than I thought they would; they nearly made it to 300 miles. I was half expecting this race to get rained out right at the halfway point... 749. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First first time winner since Marcos Ambrose won at Watkins Glen in 2011. 750. Peter posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Score one for the good guys 751. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) WTG Almirola! 43 back in VL at Daytona. Too bad it had to end this way though. Now Marcos needs to win at The Glen and put both Petty cars in the Chase. 752. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "Also the #43 is in victory lane for the first time since 1999 and it's the 30th anniversary of Richard Petty's 200th win." I'm sure that there will be some idiot out there (probably on NASCAR.com) whining that this race was rigged or prematurely called so the #43 could win on the 30th anniversary of Petty's last win. Whoever does that is a dumbass, of course... 753. Thomas posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (4) (9) I'm not normally one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this one has way too much going for it. On the 30th anniversary of The King winning his 200th his car goes to victory lane at the same track in a rain-shortened race when the track has lights so we could have been here all night if need be to get the scheduled 160 laps in. Something is rotten in Daytona Beach, Florida today. 754. The Long Shot posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I'm sure that there will be some idiot out there (probably on NASCAR.com) whining that this race was rigged or prematurely called so the #43 could win on the 30th anniversary of Petty's last win. Whoever does that is a dumbass, of course..." "I'm not normally one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this one has way too much going for it. On the 30th anniversary of The King winning his 200th his car goes to victory lane at the same track in a rain-shortened race when the track has lights so we could have been here all night if need be to get the scheduled 160 laps in. Something is rotten in Daytona Beach, Florida today." Lol, you're psychic, Schroeder. 755. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (3) (6) "I'm not normally one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this one has way too much going for it. On the 30th anniversary of The King winning his 200th his car goes to victory lane at the same track in a rain-shortened race when the track has lights so we could have been here all night if need be to get the scheduled 160 laps in. Something is rotten in Daytona Beach, Florida today. " Yeah, something is rotten because, y'know, they should have waited 12 hours for the rain to clear up. What's fishy is that they didn't call it SOONER. 756. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) "I'm not normally one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this one has way too much going for it. On the 30th anniversary of The King winning his 200th his car goes to victory lane at the same track in a rain-shortened race when the track has lights so we could have been here all night if need be to get the scheduled 160 laps in. Something is rotten in Daytona Beach, Florida today." ^...and you are that dumbass. Congratulations! I knew somebody was going to go there...I just didn't expect it to be here! 757. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Congrats to Aric. Obviously the significance of that #43 winning this race 30 years later speaks for itself. But I am equally happy for Aric. He has had a tough road in the top levels of racing. Happy he can celebrate. Milwaukee 2007 seems like a long time ago now. 758. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Something is rotten in Daytona Beach, Florida today. " The weather is. 759. David posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The timing on post #753 is pure gold. 760. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The timing on post #753 is pure gold." It's almost like somebody took my post as a challenge or something... 761. DaleSrFanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Yeah, something is rotten because, y'know, they should have waited 12 hours for the rain to clear up. What's fishy is that they didn't call it SOONER. Exactly. I was wondering what they were waiting for. Were it not for that car in 8th place with a chance to luck into a win, they would have called it sooner. 762. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Robby Gordon" is trending on Facebook after "Robby" started a big crash with Ricky Stenhouse in this race. 763. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think most of us on here would agree that Aric was going too take one eventually. So i'm not really that suprised. BTW i'm going too give NASCAR some credit, i'm REALLY glad i didn't hear guys say "let it rain i want a good points day." you instead you hear "lets get back going i want too win and get in the Chase." I'm glad points hardly matter anymore and i'm glad i don't hear it either. 764. We need more Onion posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #762 Wat? Anyway, make Robby "trending" or what, it might encourage some to take a look at his awesome series. 765. Peter posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm not normally one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this one has way too much going for it. On the 30th anniversary of The King winning his 200th his car goes to victory lane at the same track in a rain-shortened race when the track has lights so we could have been here all night if need be to get the scheduled 160 laps in. Something is rotten in Daytona Beach, Florida today" You want conspiracies go start watching to F1, they're dirtier then a fisherman's language 766. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ""Robby Gordon" is trending on Facebook after "Robby" started a big crash with Ricky Stenhouse in this race." ROBBY Gordon?! Um, fans? I think you have the wrong Gordon... 767. TS1420 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I say NASCAR gave this race valiant effort. -It was ran a day late. -The start was delayed by rain. -It was red flagged early by rain. -Had two huge wrecks plus another red flag. -The race was well past half-way. -They waited like an hour through heavy rain and thunder before calling it. This isn't like the 2007 Pocono June race or the 2009 Daytona 500 when they basically handed Gordon & Kenseth the trophies when they parked their cars on pit road. 768. Mr X posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not a huge fan of restrict or plate racing so I don't mind NASCAR calling this race, especially given the top dozen. Now I can watch the F1 race. Congrats to everyone in the top dozen, especially the 43 team and Aric for getting their first win since 1999, and his first fin ever. Very cool to see that despite the rain shortened race this team was strong in the race and has been strong elsewhere too. This is off topic but does anyone else find it slightly odd that Kyle Petty refers to his dad Richard Petty as "the King." I'll admit I agree with Zachary Shawn that crashes that large are spectacular, not good, but there is something about them, but only if nobody is hurt, and in small doses. They do excite your inner caveman instinct. 769. New14 & 88Fan posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Great to see Aric Almirola put the #43 back in victory lane. Granted it was mostly due to rain but he had a good car and was in position to take advantage of it. 770. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anyway, make Robby "trending" or what, it might encourage some to take a look at his awesome series." Yes, his series needs more eyes on it. AWSOME stuff. Robby has something on his hands, i hope he doesn't screw it up. 771. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Glad for Aric and The King. Jeff Gordon leads the points standing for the 138th time in his career, with his 46th career Plate-Race Top 12 finish. 482nd career Top 12 finish for Gordon. 772. Anonymous posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I wonder how many people said that the 43 car would never win a Cup race again? Goes to show never say never. 773. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder how this makes Richard feel. Yes, I'm back. Congrats to Amirola, and now, NASCAR, what do you think of your chase system now!? 774. epzik8 posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) You know, this race kind of reminded me of the 2009 Coca-Cola 600, because both races were rained out from the evening to the next day, then they both had multiple red flags for rain, and ended up rain-shortened with a first-time winner. Also they were both coincidentally sponsored by Coca-Cola. 775. Ken posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry Labontes final Daytona start and he just misses the top ten. 776. Anonymous posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think they mentioned Terry Labonte once today, for being 57 his crash avoidance reflexes are in great shape. 777. Evan posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Aric Almirola brings the famed 43 car into victory lane 30 years since Richard Petty's 200th and final win in the Cup Series. The 43 car had not visited victory lane since 1999 with John Andretti at Martinsville and it is good to see the 43 car back in victory lane, and the Air Force going to victory lane for the first time in their history and top it off, Almirola was born on a military base in Tampa, Florida which makes the win even more special. It was rain-shortened but the whole race was crazy, the worst being a 16 car jam-session that took a lot of the front runners out and the two wrecks pretty much finished things off. The weirdest incident was Kyle Busch's slow roll over after being completely stopped after spinning on the apron, Kyle was unhurt but compared it to a slow carnival ride. It was good result for a race I did not have much hope in, rained out on Saturday and then a mess on Sunday. A nice moment but the weather at Daytona has been not kind to NASCAR Racing this year, at least in the Cup Series. Jimmie Johnson finishes near dead last and AJ Allmendinger who the TNT people followed finishes 43rd in the field. A lot of good finishes for some of the smaller teams you don't associate with running up front, the super speedways give them a chance to shine. 778. Sean posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was this the first race ever where the top ten finishers were all outside the top ten in points after the race? I think it would have to be... 779. Dion posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder the last time the top 11 finishers in the race all came from 15th on back. Crazy race 780. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Updates #66 Jay Robinson (Michael is driving for IVR in this race, not MWR. Has been mentioned plenty of times already) Sponsor Updates #98 I Don't Dance Lee Brice/Curb Records #1 Cessna/Jacobsen #83 Armed Forces Motorsports/VooDoo BBQ #26 Scorpion Window Film #36 Golden Corral Patriotic #42 Target /Cottonelle #38 Love's Travel Stops/We Love Our Troops 781. Daniel posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Go Gordon! 782. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) The sickening, most awful aspect of this race is that Austin Dillon is 13th in points, while Larson has fallen to 18th. At this point in the season do any of you believe Austin Dillon is the better driver because of a couple of fluke Top 10's at Daytona? 783. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've said it before, but even though Larson has outperformed him, I still think that Dillon will end up being RotY because he'll remain extremely consistent while Larson will have enough bad races to put him behind. 784. Chives5150 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #752: "I'm sure that there will be some idiot out there (probably on NASCAR.com) whining that this race was rigged or prematurely called so the #43 could win on the 30th anniversary of Petty's last win. Whoever does that is a dumbass, of course..." #753: "I'm not normally one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this one has way too much going for it. On the 30th anniversary of The King winning his 200th his car goes to victory lane at the same track in a rain-shortened race when the track has lights so we could have been here all night if need be to get the scheduled 160 laps in. Something is rotten in Daytona Beach, Florida today." Hivemind! 785. 23andJoe posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) >OK, I see now. I do wonder though (And I have read that I am not alone) who doesn't NASCAR allow Sprint Cup cars to run rain tires on road courses? Is it power? Or is it something else? As I recall, the official reason is because it's more economical for them to simply reschedule for a rain date. @Cornys: When you have to say "Can't you guys see it?" or "I can't believe all of you don't see it?", you need to check yourself in the mirror, because that's one of the main telltales of tinfoil-hattery. #782: If you think that at any point in history the points standings have been any sort of determinator as to who of any set of drivers is a better driver or drivers, I have a bridge to sell you. It's in Arizona. Only two careful owners... 786. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Fun fact: Danica is now ahead of her boyfriend in points. I actually expect her to be able to finish ahead of him; Stenhouse has just been THAT mediocre this season. 787. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, best career finishes for Dillon, Michael McDowell, and Alex Bowman. 788. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "#782: If you think that at any point in history the points standings have been any sort of determinator as to who of any set of drivers is a better driver or drivers, I have a bridge to sell you. It's in Arizona. Only two careful owners..." Keep the bridge. Jeff Gordon was the best driver in 1996 and 2007, so I understand quite clearly the objectivity of Nascar and their points systems. But, there are about a billion people who will say "Austin deserved the Rookie of the year, he's higher in points." and that's where my complaint comes in. 789. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bad news for Kurt Busch Fans: @jeff_gluck: Kurt Busch's car has a "potential issue" in post-race inspection. NASCAR says it's the "trackbar split." @dustinlong: #NASCAR says there's a potential issue with 41 with track bar split. They'll Take 43, 55 & 41 to R&D Center. #AskMRN @MRNRadio 790. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've said it before, but even though Larson has outperformed him, I still think that Dillon will end up being RotY because he'll remain extremely consistent while Larson will have enough bad races to put him behind." Yeah, consistently average. Larson at least goes for top tens and top fives; Dillon just rides around in 15th-20th all the time. 791. BrotherFlounder posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And it's raining again. Wouldn't have restarted before this rain hit, and it looks like a huge cell. Congrats to Aric Almirola! He was up front all day; it's not like he fell backwards into this through pit strategy or something else. 792. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Aric and the #43 team. I'm glad he has had some success throughout his NASCAR career after what happened in 2007 at Milwaukee (which could have been the race Aric first got people to notice him had the team not told him to get out and let Hamlin finish the race). Won a couple of Truck races in 2010, then wins this race. Although this one was rain shortened, Aric has run well enough to win several races during his RPM tenure and he deserves credit for that in his stats. 793. Mr. Racing #2 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) For all the crying about the #43 win would you be happy if the #48 would have won? 794. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Shocker...a LOT of people on NASCAR.com are whining and crying over Almirola winning this race. I saw comments saying that it's not fair that a Petty car won this race because Richard Petty is a sexist pig for his comments on Danica... I really hope THOSE types of fans do not start migrating to this site in the next few years... 795. murb posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I won't be shocked at all if Dillon wins ROTY. And to be honest, even though I'm way higher on Larson and think Dillon is quite overrated, I wouldn't really have that much of a problem with it. Dillon has done a good job of finishing these races and keeping himself out of trouble. At this point in the season I still think Larson deserves it way more and has been way more impressive, but I can see the argument for Dillon. It very well could end up being like the 2002 battle where consistency (Dillon/Newman) beats flashiness (Larson/Johnson). I still think Larson is gonna have a way better Cup career though. I see him being a championship contending driver one day, while I only see Dillon as a Ryan Newman/Greg Biffle type driver. 796. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yes, just as I thought, a LOT of people over there calling it rigged. And there are also a lot of people saying they absolutely should have dried the track and gone racing again. Yes, I actually took the time to sit and read through the comments. I guess I am a masochist... 797. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Shocker...a LOT of people on NASCAR.com are whining and crying over Almirola winning this race. I saw comments saying that it's not fair that a Petty car won this race because Richard Petty is a sexist pig for his comments on Danica..." Pardon what I'm about to say, but ANYONE who thinks like that is a low-life hillbilly scumbag who only watches NASCAR because Danica is racing and for the wrecks. *mini-rant over* 798. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Pardon what I'm about to say, but ANYONE who thinks like that is a low-life hillbilly scumbag who only watches NASCAR because Danica is racing and for the wrecks. *mini-rant over*" Sadly...I have to agree. If you want to see the considerably less intelligent NASCAR fans, NASCAR.com is the perfect place to go. I'm going to be bold in saying this: I bet that if Junior or Danica had been out front when the race had been called, the same people whining and crying on there right now would be happy beyond belief. I'm willing to put money on that. 799. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) In what world is this race rigged? Almirola was LUCKY enough to avoid the first two wrecks and be in the right places at the right time. Don't these fans realize that the teams and drivers can't spend all day in Daytona waiting out the rain? They have to get to Charlotte as soon as possible before making it to New Hampshire by Thursday/Friday. 800. Sean posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've said it before, but even though Larson has outperformed him, I still think that Dillon will end up being RotY because he'll remain extremely consistent while Larson will have enough bad races to put him behind." ROTY is based on the best 17 races, so I still expect Larson to win as much of a Larson critic as I have been (I was really only criticizing his hype, which should dissipate now that his points position better reflects how he's been actually running in the races...now Dillon's points position greatly overrates how HE has done). I do think Dillon will finish higher in points considering all 36 races (especially given how risk-averse RCR is) but Larson will beat him over the best 17 races, which is a better indicator of peak potential... 801. Mark T. posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think too, that Kurt Busch didn't simply just step aside and "let" Aric Almirola have the lead with rain threatening. The conspiracy theorists need to get back on their meds. 802. Bradley Thomas posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's #43's 199th win since NASCAR started, almost all of them by Richard Petty. You can Aric Almirola to the list of winners at Daytona in the #43 car. Three other drivers won in the #43 car, but none since John Andretti at Martinsville 15 years ago, where he spun, lost a lap, and came back to win the race. 803. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There was one guy in particular commenting on NASCAR.com whose ignorant comments made me stop reading. The guy was making a big fuss about Almirola being of Cuban ancestry, and then proceeded to make a crack about Kyle Larson's Japanese ancestry. What a disgusting excuse for a human being...I wouldn't be surprised if this guy has taken issue with Darrell Wallace Jr. as well. I guess in this guy's dream world, all NASCAR drivers are white males of pure European descent. Way to be a backwards-minded slimeball. After today, I don't think I will ever read the comments on NASCAR.com again. I want what little sanity I actually have to stay intact! 804. dennyfan11 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great win for Aric! 805. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Now that I think about it, the #43 has not only been the number that Richard Petty is most known for, it is also the number that is known for underrated drivers (Bobby Hamilton and John Andretti being the others besides Aric) getting the chance to drive during their careers and winning races against the then modern-day high dollar teams. Michael McDowell scores only his second Top 10 finish ever, and Terry Labonte nearly gets his first Top 10 since 2006. 806. ESPN posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sadly...I have to agree. If you want to see the considerably less intelligent NASCAR fans, NASCAR.com is the perfect place to go." We're worse. 807. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "There was one guy in particular commenting on NASCAR.com whose ignorant comments made me stop reading. The guy was making a big fuss about Almirola being of Cuban ancestry, and then proceeded to make a crack about Kyle Larson's Japanese ancestry. What a disgusting excuse for a human being...I wouldn't be surprised if this guy has taken issue with Darrell Wallace Jr. as well. I guess in this guy's dream world, all NASCAR drivers are white males of pure European descent. Way to be a backwards-minded slimeball." I'd like to see his reaction after watching an IndyCar or Formula 1 race. He'd probably have a stroke because there are too many "foreigners." 808. Howard Salwasser posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watching the replays of the 2nd "Big One", how does NASCAR figure out that the 95 was considered involved, while the 24, who appears on replay to barely nudge the 34 and got barely nudged by the 1, isn't considered involved? Same thing for the first "Big One", where Mikey is listed as being involved, but the replays I've seen(did not see the wreck live) show him nowhere near the crash. 809. David posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really hope THOSE types of fans do not start migrating to this site in the next few years..." Why would they migrate to THIS site, of all sites? We're relatively off the beaten path... "Sadly...I have to agree. If you want to see the considerably less intelligent NASCAR fans, NASCAR.com is the perfect place to go." In all fairness, some of them probably are very knowledgeable but have no other place to post their thoughts. The overwhelming majority of them, though, are pathetic. 810. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "There was one guy in particular commenting on NASCAR.com whose ignorant comments made me stop reading. The guy was making a big fuss about Almirola being of Cuban ancestry, and then proceeded to make a crack about Kyle Larson's Japanese ancestry. What a disgusting excuse for a human being...I wouldn't be surprised if this guy has taken issue with Darrell Wallace Jr. as well. I guess in this guy's dream world, all NASCAR drivers are white males of pure European descent. Way to be a backwards-minded slimeball." Dude, are you certain he was "white"? It just seems that the only "race" of people that ever get accused of racism are "white" people. It seems unfair. Whenever i'm asked for my race on a form or application, I never want to answer, and i'd rather just put 'human'. 811. BMan0213 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Have to say i disagreed when they called the race but the way it looks right now calling it was the right choice.Still feel like they should have waited another hour or so i mean 3 is a bit early to call a race for a track with lights but it doesn't look like it would have mattered. 812. ch posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner Update: 66 - Jay Robinson 813. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In all fairness, some of them probably are very knowledgeable but have no other place to post their thoughts. The overwhelming majority of them, though, are pathetic." That's where I used to comment from 2011-2012 before commenting on this site. Week after week I got tired of the same old comments. People always wanted to saw "pole!" before anyone else and if their favorite driver didn't win they'd insult other users who were happy that their driver won. And don't get me started on their grammar errors. Some comments were almost unbearable to read. Then I found this site, and I haven't commented on NASCAR.com ever since... 814. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dude, are you certain he was "white"? It just seems that the only "race" of people that ever get accused of racism are "white" people. It seems unfair. Whenever i'm asked for my race on a form or application, I never want to answer, and i'd rather just put 'human'." I know that people of other ethnicities can be quite racist as well...I don't know, I guess it was just easier for me to imagine the guy being white. What does matter is that the guy is a racist scumbag; and it depresses me knowing that NASCAR still has people like this among their fanbase. 815. cjs3872 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) There are a number of ironies surrounding Aric Almirola's first win, the most obvious of which is that it brings King Richard's #43 back to victory lane, and not just any victory lane, but the most iconic one of them al, the one at Daytona where Richard was 12 times, 10 while driving the #43, as well as wins by his father and Pete Hamilton in Petty equipment. And while there are those on this board absurd enough to think that there might have been something in the cards, given that this was the 30th anniversary of Richard's final win as a driver, the fact is that both Aric and his team earned this victory, even though it was rain-shortened. Aric was near the front all day, and the one time he did fall back, his pit crew, which many including myself have criticized, put him back up to second place to give him a chance at the win. And as strong as Almirola's car was, I'm not sure he wouldn't have won the race had it gone the full distance anyway, because that was a strong car they put on the track today. And let's not forget that RPM nearly won this race last year with Marcos Ambrose, so it wasn't like this performance came completely out of the blue, because it didn't. Another irony in today's win by the #43 has to do with where it came and it's historical significance. I don't think it's lost on anyone who knows much about the history of the sport that, within the last four years, the two cars most synonymous with the sport's history, the Wood Brothers' #21 car and now Richard Petty's #43 car both return to victory lane at the very place where they made so much history, often together, and that's Daytona. when the Woods won the Daytona 500 with Trevor Bayne in 2011, it marked the first time in nearly a decade that they had won anywhere (Elliott Sadler at Bristol in 2001 over the #43 car), and Almirola's win at Daytona today marked the first time in more than 15 years that the #43 found victory lane (John Andretti, speaking of historic surnames, had been the last driver to put the #43 in victory lane, doing so at Martinsville in 1999). In fact, I said for the brief moment that it occurred in this year's Daytona 500 that seeing the 21 and 43 cars run 1-2 had to being back memories of the good old days when races at Daytona were frequently decided between those two. and now to see the #43 at the top of the scoring pylon when the race was called had to bring back many of those old memories, just as seeing the #21 car on top did at the end of the 2011 Daytona 500. Now, as for the big crashes that dwindled the field down, the first was an obvious one. Although Jeff Gordon accepted the blame for that one, it wasn't his fault, in my view. That was Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. practically out of control exiting turn four when he didn't need to be, and how many times have we seen him get out of control when he didn't need to be? All he had to do at that time was to take it easy and get the competition caution, which was coming in about 2000 feet. But instead, he drives over his head and caused the first big crash to happen. Tony Stewart had it right when he put virtually all the blame on Stenhouse. Gordon simply took the natural evasive action that anyone would take in that spot (especially a veteran of 22 years), and the first big wreck of the day took place. The second big wreck is one I don't blame on anybody. It was just after a restart and everyone knew rain was coming. It was just circumstances that resulted in that second big wreck. But here's another touch of irony. Terry Labonte's first race at Daytona, the 1979 Daytona 500, was marred by bad weather, and was won by the #43 car. His last Daytona race, the 2014 Firecracker 400, was also a race marred by bad weather and won by the #43 car. And by the way, what does Mother Nature seem to have against the Daytona International Speedway these days? I said that Daytona is in the same spot in it's history that Indy was in the mid-70s when bad weather plagued the Indianapolis 500 four years in a row (rain even threatened the end of the '74 Indy 500, but they got the full 500 miles in), but I'm not even sure Indy had it this bad from 1973-'76, including the rain and tragedy-marred 1973 race there. 816. JG24FanForever posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What does matter is that the guy is a racist scumbag; and it depresses me knowing that NASCAR still has people like this among their fanbase." I agree 100%. 817. JoeFan#66#87#8#86#29#97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To me, the video clearly shows Stenhouse moving to avoid Labonte. If it was someone besides Ricky, then I don't think the blame would be there, at least as much. Clearly he's getting the blame just because of who he is. And Stewart is the biggest idiot for blaming him. It was just a damn racing incident, but whatever. And I'm not anywhere close to a Stenhouse fan, but I'm not on of those idiots that will blame a driver I dislike just for the hell of it. 818. huckhound14 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jesus.....Somehow, I knew it. I just KNEW Almirola was going to win! Victory Lane official: Aric, A winner is you! Aric: Now TNT will have to mention me in next week's race! 819. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Something special happened to me this morning... I died." We have a ghost posting on this site now, it would seem... 820. NRF Official @$$ hat of RR posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) I think I like my new title. Might use it for a while. I am stoked to see #43 back in victory lane. I remember when John won at Martinsville in 1999, and this is pretty special to me on that account. 821. huckhound14 posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We're worse." Didn't realize "ESPN" was coming today. Anyway, congrats to my new second-favorite driver! Fun Fact: He and I share the same birthday. 822. Schroeder51 posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One more fun fact: Greg Biffle's DNF streak came to an end in the big crash, at 89 races. I'm sure they would have fixed his car had the race gone on further, though... 823. cjs3872 posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) @817, Stenhouse almost spun in front of the entire field because he was racing too hard, especially since they were about 2000 feet from taking the competition caution. Bobby Labonte's car had nothing to do with the beginning of that incident. At least you had someone like Tony Stewart around to call him out for that, because what he was doing at that time was completely unnecessary, and finally someone called him out for it. I've said it before, but I think the seat in the #17 car is going to get a little hotter, especially now since you have another young Ford driver in Aric Almirola, who showed exactly how you win a race, as he bided his time, fell back, let his pit crew get him back to the front, and then take the bull by the horns when he had to. Many more miscues like this one and the one at Talladega last fall which took out a bunch of cars (though that one was far more understandable, since it was on the last lap of the race), combined with the fact that he seems to be uncompetitive everywhere that driving ability actually means something, and Stenhouse could be looking for a ride sometime next year, because he won't be in the ride he has now. 824. Dylan posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Almirola in the Chase? What a joke. Just goes to prove the problem with this new points system. Anyone can get lucky and get in. 825. Jared posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Awesome to see Almirola get his first win!!! And for people who say this is a fluke win, just stop. Almirola has had strong runs the past two and a half years before this race, and is a consistent, top 20 driver. Kinda reminds me of David Reutimann winning the 600. Question for posters on here: would you rather have this current Chase format or the one from the past three seasons (top 10 in points and 2 "wild card" drivers)? If the previous format were in place this season, it'd be hard for Almirola and Kurt Busch to get in the Chase. I for one liked the race for the wild card spots but of course NASCAR had to revamp the Chase after the MWR scandal 826. NRF Official @$$ hat of RR posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) First Cup win for a Floridian driver since David Reutimann in 2010. First Cup win for a Floridian driver in a race held in Florida since Fireball Roberts won this race in 1963. I don't count Bobby Allison because he raced as being from "Hueytown, AL." 827. BMan0213 posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly Jared if you're 21st and 24th in points like Aric and Kurt are you probably don't deserve to be in the chase to begin with. At lest under the previous format both drivers would have some more work to do to get in. Now they just need to log laps and stay in front of the people like David Gilliland and they're safe 828. NRF Official @$$ hat of RR posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff Gordon has a season average finish of 8.7. Dale Earnhardt Jr. is the only other driver better than a 12.3. 829. huckhound14 posted: 07.06.2014 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was just watching NBC Nightly News and they were talking about the second big one. 830. numbah10hatah posted: 07.06.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #41 sponsor: Haas CNC "America's Machine Tool" 831. cjs3872 posted: 07.06.2014 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, in addition to the cars listed as being in the second big wreck on lap 98, add the #24 of Jeff Gordon, as he also got damage to the front end in that wreck. That, in addition to damage in the first big wreck, is why he made numerous pit stops, even though he came out of it in fourth place. 832. Anonymous posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Winning a Sprint Cup race is not easy. There are a lot of talented race car drivers in NASCAR history that couldn't close the deal. I don't ever view a Cup winner as a "joke" or "fluke", sometimes it's just your day. Everything went right for Aric Almirola today. 833. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Richard Petty's famous number 43 won for the first time in 15 years and on the 30th anniversary of Petty's 200th win. The number 43 wins on the same day our 43rd president, George W. Bush, celebrates his birthday. The number 43 wins in the first race since former Auburn tight end Phillip Lutzenkirchen, who also wore the number 43, passed away. Finally, A Lord of the Rings marathon on TNT got eclipsed to show the race. The final movie in that trilogy is called The Return of the King. Richard Petty is the King of NASCAR. Today, the king's number returned to victory lane. Isn't there something in all of that that everyone can appreciate in some way? 834. JoeFan#66#87#8#86#29#97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Maybe he was racing a little hard, but it had NOTHING to do with he crash. He more than likely would have hit Labonte if he hadn't moved (and that is clear as day to me in the video, but I guess I'm the only one that noticed it). And Stewart has no business call anyone out, since he does the same exact thing all the damn time, but I guess it's ok since its Tony. That's what wrong with NASCAR. It's ok for certain drivers to do things, but not others. And I agree that Ricky's job might be in danger, but this race has nothing to do with it, cause he did nothing wrong. If Tony would have don't he the same exact thing, very few would have said anything close to what they are saying about Ricky. 835. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, a car sponsored by the U.S. Air Force won on Independence Day weekend. 836. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I say you've got to give Stenhouse 1 more year at least. A lot of decent drivers have had atrocious sophomore seasons. One that stands out to my mind is Kevin Harvick, though he still won a race that year. 837. Jared posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 827 I think you'd have to be in the top 20 with a win in order to make the Chase. The top 30 likely is for the benefit of smaller teams or for injured drivers who have to miss a few races- I think back to David Ragan winning at Dega and Hamlin and Stewart missing races last year 838. cjs3872 posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) But @834, why would someone race so hard that they nearly spin out in front nearly the entire field about 2000 feet away from a free caution period? That's the problem I have with that first incident. And I agree that Tony does the same kind of things, and for that matter, everyone does, but this is something of a habitual thing with Ricky. I even remember the finale of the Nationwide Series in 2012 when Ricky ignored explicit orders over the radio from both his crew chief and spotter not to race anyone because that would have been the only way he could have lost the championship. And on top of that, he turned off his radio so he wouldn't hear those explicit orders not to race anyone. But my point was that it's about time someone, anyone called out Stenhouse for some of the dumb things he does, as well as not being competitive with his teammates. Some say that Stewart isn't qualified because of some of the dumb things he's done, and people who have that belief have a point, but to me, it didn't matter who it was that called him out, just that he was called out for some of what he's done. I also think Tony remembers what happened at Talladega last year when Ricky spun out the #14 car, then driven by Austin Dillon, on the last lap of that race. And his nearly spinning out in front of nearly the entire field because of his needlessly running too hard was what caused that first 15-car crash. Again, I don't blame the second crash, which involved 27 cars (not the 26 that were reported by NASCAR because the #24 of Jeff Gordon, who was not on the report for that particular incident but did get front end damage from it) on anyone, but rather circumstances coming together. By the way, that makes the second crash today the biggest in a Cup race in Daytona history, a distinction long held by the crash at the beginning of the second lap of the Firecracker 400 in 1990. 839. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Isn't there something in all of that that everyone can appreciate in some way?" No. :-P 840. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think back to David Ragan winning at Dega and Hamlin and Stewart missing races last year" This comment got me thinking about something. If this system would have been in place last year, would NASCAR have granted Stewart entry into The Chase since he wasn't planning on running any of The Chase races either? I'm not sure they would and if I was in charge I wouldn't either. It's at their discretion as to whether they would grant a medical waiver, but to me granting a medical waiver only makes sense if the driver is going to be able to return for The Chase, which Stewart was not. 841. BMan0213 posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jared my point is this is only like Aric's 4th Top 10 this year. That's not that good. Someone who's run well to put it bluntly not that good this year probably shouldnt have a chance to win the championship. 842. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Someone who's run well to put it bluntly not that good this year probably shouldnt have a chance to win the championship." Technically speaking, Aric would still have a chance to win the championship under the old system. Also, I don't think anyone legitimately expects the 43 team to make it past the first round at this point, but it's nice to see the in The Chase, IMO. 843. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like Chevy, but Ford has more than wins this year than Toyota, including the last 3 races in a row. Kind of shocked me to find out considering it seemed like Ford was starting to move towards the proverbial redheaded step child territory a few years ago. 844. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.06.2014 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know if anyone else saw it earlier, but someone tweeted a comment like, "TNT won't show Lord of the Rings. Instead they're showing indie car racing." I got a huge laugh out of that. "I like Chevy, but Ford has more than wins this year than Toyota, including the last 3 races in a row. Kind of shocked me to find out considering it seemed like Ford was starting to move towards the proverbial redheaded step child territory a few years ago." I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the Toyota teams haven't been that competitive at all outside of Joe Gibbs racing. Sure MWR scored a second place finish today, but they've been way down on speed this year. Chevy is Chevy, and Ford has Penske as well as Roush which has shown occasional strong runs with Carl Edwards. Speaking of manufacturers, does anyone else wish that a European auto make became involved in NASCAR? We have your iconic American brands (Chevy and Ford) and a Japanese make (Toyota) competing, but I wish some European brand would step up and make a Cup stock car. I think BMW would be a cool addition. Any suggestions? 845. BMan0213 posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @post 842 Right now he would not. Almoiola is 21st in points. under the old chase you had to be in the top 20 to get one of those wild cards so he wouldn't be in, at least not currently. As for him not making it past the first round, while i agree, as long as he could finish 15th-20th in those first three races he has a chance. I mean drivers are gonna run into problems in those races if he can keep the car clean he has a chance to make it into the second round IMO. 846. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.06.2014 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've said it before, but I think the seat in the #17 car is going to get a little hotter, especially now since you have another young Ford driver in Aric Almirola, who showed exactly how you win a race" You may be right, for the sake of the Cup Series, I was hoping Stenhouse would be able to take that next step and start running up front this year. I definitely expected a lot more seeing as he won two Nationwide titles in Roush equipment and seemed to show the necessary aggression to succeed (yeah, he was over-agressive, but I assumed he'd reign it in and drive just like he needed to). But he allowed himself to buy into the hype the media gives him due to his being in a relationship with Danica, and he will be sunk unless he can find a way to do what he needs to do and focus on the level that is needed to succeed. Other than Bristol, Stenhouse has been virtually invisible this year. At first I thought it was because Roush isn't that good right now, but Carl Edwards is showing you can still run respectable. 847. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And just to clarify, when I say "for the sake of the Cup Series", I am obviously referring to the fact that we have not had any successful youngsters break through in recent years besides Brad Keselowski, and you can throw Logano in as well since he started performing well last year and has been able to keep it up so far into this year. 848. b4il3y posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great Job Aric! 849. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Almirola has had strong runs the past two and a half years before this race, and is a consistent, top 20 driver. Kinda reminds me of David Reutimann winning the 600." You're right, runs like Kansas 2012, Martinsville 2012 and Bristol 2014 showed Aric can very well put himself in position to win races in the right situation. I'm sure there are more races than just that which I am forgetting. 850. Jarrett88fan posted: 07.06.2014 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn missed the race due to work, but awesome to finally say Aric Almirola is a winner in Cup, in the #43 car at Daytona... Flashback to Bayne's 2011 500 win. 851. Schroeder51 posted: 07.07.2014 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just realized by looking at the points that Stenhouse is only 23 points ahead of Justin Allgaier and 43 ahead of Michael Annett. Honestly, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if both of them were able to finish ahead of him in points and he wound up 30th in the final standings. I know he's not the first to have a bad sophomore slump after winning RotY the previous year (Harvick-as already mentioned-and Kahne are two examples), but I just cannot believe how uncompetitive he has been this year outside of the plate races and Bristol. I know the Roush cars have had their struggles this year, but he has just looked so out of it all year long. I remember when I went to Darlington this year he was getting outrun almost all night long by Josh Wise in a Phil Parsons car. That pretty much says it all right there. I actually do want to see Stenhouse succeed; we do need some successful new blood in the Cup series, after all. But I'm really starting to wonder if he's going to be yet another successful Nationwide driver who ended up being a Cup series bust. 852. Anonymous posted: 07.07.2014 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Casey Mears has three consecutive top 10s at Daytona going back to the 2013 July race. Those are his only top 10s since the end of the 2009 season. This was his first top 5 since Sonoma in June 2008 as well. 853. ESPN posted: 07.07.2014 - 7:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't forget to join us in a couple weeks for the historic Brickyard 400 at the historic Indianapolis Motor Speedway, only in ESPN. 854. cjs3872 posted: 07.07.2014 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I see the irony wasn't lost on you, Jarrett88fan. Within the last four years, the two cars most associated with the history of the sport, the Wood Brothers' #21 and now the #43 of Richard Petty return to victory lane for the first time in a generation on the very speedway where they made so much history over the decades, often at each other's expense. Of course, there's one part of this I didn't mention in post #815, and that was that when Trevor Bayne won the Daytona 500 for the Wood Brothers, Glen and Leonard Wood had no idea where victory lane was, and who was there to point the way to victory lane but none other than Richard Petty, their long-time friend and rival. So it should be no surprise that the Wood Brothers would be among the first to congratulate the Petty team on returning the #43 to it's once lofty status as winners at Daytona, doing so via Twitter. And by the way, congratulations to crew chief Trent Owens. Much like Dale Inman is a part of the Petty family, so is Owens. His father Randy, Lynda Petty's sister, was killed in a bizarre pit road accident late in the 1975 Winston 500 at Talladega just months after he was born, so I think it's fitting that, just as was the case when Richard piled up all those wins at Daytona as a driver, that it would be a family member that would be the crew chief the day the #43 returned to victory lane at Daytona. 855. Canadianfan posted: 07.07.2014 - 8:56 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) From Jayski NASCAR Explains Why Race Was Called: The day was only half over but the race was finished. NASCAR's decision to call Sunday's Coke Zero 400 at about 3:00pm/et left some competitors and fans perplexed. The decision ended NASCAR's weekend battle with showers, which caused a multi-car crash during Nationwide qualifying on Friday and forced Saturday night's Cup race to be moved to Sunday. Rain twice delayed Sunday's race before it was called after 112 of 160 laps. Aric Almirola was declared the winner. With a forecast from the National Weather Service calling for the likelihood of rain until about 8:00pm/et and the race past halfway - a day after it was scheduled to run - it tipped the scales for NASCAR to call the race. "We've seen this weather pattern and felt it was the best interest of fans getting done and getting home," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR vice president of competition. "We put on 2 1/2 hours of solid racing. When you looked at what was in front of us weather-wise, we felt it was best for all concerned that the race was completed." Pemberton said an issue was that was so much rain in Turn 3 that water was trapped behind the SAFER barrier and coming down on the track. That could have delayed a restart if the rest of the track was dry. The later the rain persisted, the longer it would have been to dry the track because it would not have been aided by the sun. 856. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.07.2014 - 9:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not sure it meets the technical definition, but it sounds to me like the major NASCAR team owners have just formed a union. 857. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.07.2014 - 10:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "By the way, that makes the second crash today the biggest in a Cup race in Daytona history, a distinction long held by the crash at the beginning of the second lap of the Firecracker 400 in 1990." Didn't the 1960 Daytona 500 have a crash with 35-40 cars involved(in a field of almost 70 cars)? "Speaking of manufacturers, does anyone else wish that a European auto make became involved in NASCAR? We have your iconic American brands (Chevy and Ford) and a Japanese make (Toyota) competing, but I wish some European brand would step up and make a Cup stock car. I think BMW would be a cool addition. Any suggestions?" If a European manufacturer would enter NASCAR, I see it being a company that produces mid-price vehicles and caters to a broader consumer base than BMW does. I would predict that Volkswagen would be that manufacturer. They own Audi, who have been killing it in sports cars in recent years and also share a relationship with Porsche; so they wouldn't be unfamiliar with racing and the technology/marketing benefits from being in motorsports. 858. jabber1990 posted: 07.07.2014 - 10:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Didn't the 1960 Daytona 500 have a crash with 35-40 cars involved(in a field of almost 70 cars)?" I Believe that was a "nationwide" race I put nationwide in quotes because I think the late-model sportsman series evolved into the nationwide series but isn't credited as being said series 859. The Long Shot posted: 07.07.2014 - 10:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Didn't the 1960 Daytona 500 have a crash with 35-40 cars involved(in a field of almost 70 cars)?" I believe that crash occurred in the Sportsman race, not the actual 500. 860. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 07.07.2014 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) A bit of irony going into the final race for NASCAR on TNT and Turner Sports in general. When TNT started broadcasting Sprint Cup races in 2001, it was at New Hampshire for the New England 300. Dale Jarrett won it driving with 88 on the car. What would make it even more ironic is if Dale Earnhardt Jr can win with 88 in this year's 301 mile race. The irony would be a Dale winning and 88 going to victory lane. Although New Hampshire ain't a strong track for Jr, its nice though to see him make a strong come back, have two wins already, and to be second in points. What would create more irony would be if Jeff Gordon could leave this race being the points leader, as was the case in 2001, and a Dale being second in points with a teammate in third, Ricky Rudd was third in the points standings leaving the 2001 New England 300, Jimmie Johnson is currently third in the points standings now. 861. cjs3872 posted: 07.07.2014 - 11:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You would be correct, The Long Shot. The crash that was referred to in post #857 took place in the Modified-Sportsman race, and among the 37 cars knocked out in that crash were the cars driven by Ralph Earnhardt, Dale, Sr.'s father, and Wally Dallenbach, Sr., who is best known for his exploits in IndyCar racing. 68 cars took the green flag that day an more than half of them never saw the end of the first lap. However, that mega-wreck set the tone for the Daytona 500 the next day, as there were many wrecks in that race, including some really bad ones. 862. ericthenau posted: 07.07.2014 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just wanted to let you all know, this was the first time since the 2007 UAW-Daimler Chrysler 400 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway where no one who started in the top 10 went on to finish in the top 10 also. In this race, Jeff Gordon was the highest finishing driver starting in the top 10, he started 9th and finished 12th by the way. From what I saw of this race's results when they were first seen in the official NASCAR site, people have gone on to be disgusted on what happened yesterday with the race and everything. That's why I believe comment 794 by Schroeder51 is what I agree with 100%. As I may know it, some fans that have used the NASCAR site for commenting on races seem to have already made the move to THIS even back then, and I mean this site. 863. Scott B posted: 07.07.2014 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder if NASCAR execs are now sweating the idea of having Talladega as a Chase race combined with the new elimination system. The reaction to having two or three fan favorites taken out in a "big one" and knocked out of the Championship hunt early as a result will not be what they had in mind when they came up with the formula. 864. startandparkfan posted: 07.07.2014 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I just posted a really long comment, and it didn't go through! That stinks. 865. startandparkfan posted: 07.07.2014 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) post #770 ""Anyway, make Robby "trending" or what, it might encourage some to take a look at his awesome series." Yes, his series needs more eyes on it. AWSOME stuff. Robby has something on his hands, i hope he doesn't screw it up." We should get results from that series and put them on the site. It's only a year old, and only around 14 trucks a race. I can do it if you want. It is a GREAT series. 866. jabber1990 posted: 07.07.2014 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't go to NASCAR.com, I read the articles that's about it I used to go to yahoo Answers, but that's full of Jr Nation, H8ter Nation, Kyle Busch Fanboys, everyone else, and the "civilians" who troll along the NASCAR page I like this site, the occasional off-topic discussions that occur on a regular basis sometimes get dragged out(even though I have NO room to talk) I like this place on race-day because I get a lap-by-lap analysis. i've missed a number of races in the past few months but this place explains everything for me. I can't livestream NASCAR.com because its so laggy and there is usually a delay from everyone commenting and all the annoying "Go Jr" and "Jr is a Talentless Hack" comments. and I tried following the Talladega race last Fall, it was full of troll posts like "holy $#!t the Big one" and "I hope Jimmie Dies" if we all met at like a bar or a place with a TV we might all probably get along, we'd probably all trade music and have weird discussions Thanks again webmaster and regular posters! 867. Jared posted: 07.07.2014 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 840 I'm not sure if NASCAR would make a medical exception for a driver who has a win and is in the top 30 but is hurt and won't attempt a single Chase race. Would that driver simply accumulate 0 points and finish 16th in the standings? Or would NASCAR put the next highest qualifying driver in that place? I was going back and looking up hypothetical Chase scenarios from past seasons and there were unique cases (Davey Allison in 1993- deceased, Ernie Irvan in 1994- injured, Steve Park in 2001- injured) where a driver would have qualified for the Chase but would not have started a Chase race. It also made me wonder about drivers who ran part of the season (Pearson for the Wood Brothers, Yarborough for MC Anderson and Ranier, Mark Martin for Ginn, DEI, and MWR as a more recent example). If a driver who ran part of the schedule managed to qualify for the Chase, would the team convince the driver to run the full Chase or run their previously scheduled races and get the best points finish they can? These are questions and scenarios that NASCAR would have to solve if they were to occur. 868. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.07.2014 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @867 Jared, I don't have the answers for the medical waiver, but NASCAR has made it very clear that, at the very least, you need to attempt to qualify for all 26 regular season races in order to qualify for The Chase. Also, while this race left A LOT to be desired, I don't understand how people thought the actual on track racing itself was boring, but I was making my Monday morning rounds on the NASCAR sites and the response to this race was overwhelmingly negative. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, though, considering most of those people are curmudgeons to begin with. 869. startandparkfan posted: 07.07.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Didn't the 1960 Daytona 500 have a crash with 35-40 cars involved(in a field of almost 70 cars)?" That was a 200 mile Sportsman (the equivalent of Nationwide) race. 37 cars were involved out of a field of 68 cars. At least 6 cars flipped. The good news was there were no injuries! here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb3Sf6Kf1I "If a European manufacturer would enter NASCAR, I see it being a company that produces mid-price vehicles and caters to a broader consumer base than BMW does. I would predict that Volkswagen would be that manufacturer. They own Audi, who have been killing it in sports cars in recent years and also share a relationship with Porsche; so they wouldn't be unfamiliar with racing and the technology/marketing benefits from being in motorsports." Back in 2010, there were speculations that VW would enters NASCAR with Penske. The then-CEO of the Porsche/VW group expressed interest in NASCAR. It was also speculated that Andretti Autosport would form a NASCAR team with VW, although I do not remember when this was announced. Obviously, these rumors were turned down by VW, Penske, NASCAR, and Andretti. Although, in the 1953 International 200 at Langhorne, the late Dick Hagy, a sports car racer, entered his VW Beetle into the race. This race was one of the few times that foreign makes were allowed in the series. Many Jaguars and Porsches were in the field that day. Hagy drove his #18 Beetle to 19th (although he was the last car running, as drivers 20-38 dropped out). In other news, has anybody heard of the Race Team Alliance? Nine of the top NASCAR teams (CGR, HMS, JGR, MWR, RCR, RPM, RFR, SHR, and Penske) formed an alliance to "create an open forum for the teams to explore areas of common interest and to work collaboratively on initiatives to help preserve, promote, and grow the sport of stock car racing." more info is on Jayski. I wonder if they are unhappy with NASCAR and will try to change the way they run things. I am interested to see if they do. Sorry for the long post, I'm not sure anyone will bother reading this far. 870. Neal posted: 07.07.2014 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Almost enough dumb luck for the Neon Nonfactor to pull one out...but not quite. 871. Jared posted: 07.07.2014 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 868, I completely agree. If there's one thing NASCAR fans have in common, it's bitching and moaning. Are these things that NASCAR has done that have pissed me off and made me question whether I want to remain a fan? Yes. Are there aspects of the television coverage that are aggravating? Yes. But I don't let myself get bogged down by the doom and gloom that most fans have reveled in the past decade or so. The on track product the past four years or so has been fantastic. I think the period of 2005-2009 is the absolute low point of the sport, but it's improved incrementally since then despite incompetent leadership out of NASCAR and the negativity that has permeated throughout a lot of the fanbase. Yes, NASCAR has various problems, but so do the other professional sports leagues. The reason NASCAR fans are more vocal about their sport's problems is- in my opinion- due to the fact that the sport made drastic and frustrating decisions in the mid 2000's that they still haven't gotten over. The fact that certain "fans" are posting conspiracy theories about a good driver getting his first win for a historic team is simply ridiculous. I discovered this site simply because I'm a stats geek and discovered a good community of users who have the same interest and passion for the sport that I do. But I almost stopped coming on this site after the Michigan race, where the anti 48 trolls came out of the woodwork and posted a bunch of hyperbolic garbage. If those people represent the majority of NASCAR fans, then I want to disassociate myself from them anyway I can. Sorry for the long rant but this is something I've wanted to say for a while. 872. Feetduck posted: 07.07.2014 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It would be funny if number 43 wins during the chase like number 14 in 2011 873. Daniel posted: 07.07.2014 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Gordon! 874. Daniel posted: 07.07.2014 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 43 entered at Loudon: -Eddie MacDonald in the #32 -Morgan Shepherd in the #33 -J.J. Yeley in the #44 -Jeff Burton in the #66 -Joe Nemechek in the #87 -#21, #29, #95 not entered 875. David posted: 07.07.2014 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Owner's union...terrific. Back in the days when Big Bill was running the sport, he would have thrown them out of the racetrack if they showed up. 876. dennyfan11 posted: 07.07.2014 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I have a strong feeling that the RTA will change the face of Stock Car Racing. possibly for better,or for worse. What do you think about the Race Team Alliance. 877. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.07.2014 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...so um...this RTA thing... yeahhhh...how did that go for Indycar back in the late 70's and early 80's again? 878. Scott B posted: 07.07.2014 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The RTA could be trouble for Brian France if it comes to a showdown about an issue. The question that would swing the balance of power in their direction would be if Bruton Smith and other non-ISC track owners would side with the owner's alliance. That could lead to a split in the series and some real upheaval. 879. Cornys posted: 07.07.2014 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "'That mentality is exactly why the officiating is bad. The fans think that it is okay as long as the racing is good.' So, you're still suggesting that I quit watching? Sorry, but I've been watching for 15 years. I've missed maybe 10 or 15 races in that time period. I've seen the ups and downs. It's too much a part of my routine to just quit." I've been watching for the same amount of time, and until this year, like you, had only missed a small number of races since that time (I was 4, 15 years ago) With regard to the bad officiating in other sports, I can say that the bad officiating is always going to be present, but rarely is it intentional. NASCAR's bad officiating bad as in: NASCAR puts money on (so to speak) popular drivers to win. It's like betting on a game your officiating, but every game (race), every week. 880. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.07.2014 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The really big wreck in 1960? Yeah, that was the modified race the day before the 500. Dick Foley started and nowadays proudly advertises it. When you "get his autograph," you get an autographed 14x17 of a blowup of the newspaper headline of the Daytona Evening News after that wreck. 881. Sean posted: 07.07.2014 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "yeahhhh...how did that go for Indycar back in the late 70's and early 80's again?" It went fine. CART successfully increased the popularity of the races outside the Indy 500, which were never televised before then. Yes, Indy 500 ratings declined quite a bit in that period but I think that was mainly because the race switched from prime-time to daytime in the mid-'80s and ratings generally declined for EVERYTHING on the broadcast networks once cable started. Yes, there were issues before the CART/IRL split such as conflicts of interest where powerhouse owners like Penske used their clout to prevent underdog teams from getting access to superior engines, which sucks, but still, it was better than what USAC had where the Indy 500 was the only race that was televised, had any kind of purse, and had any kind of attendance. Now the conflicts of interest that the car owners had by participating in the series, owning shares in the series, and often promoting races in the series DID suffocate CART, but not until after the IRL started. If you're just going on about how American sprint car talent was frozen out of CART, that isn't CART's fault. USAC slammed that ladder shut when it mandated rear-engine IndyCars and front-engine sprint cars. This made IndyCars a completely different vehicle for which sprint cars were no longer good preparation. This happened in 1974 before the owners created CART as a team's organization within USAC, which is all it was supposed to be. It only became a series when USAC did not respond to CART's demands. As for David's concerns, nothing like the CART/IRL split could ever happen in NASCAR because there is no individual race that is considered as important as the championship (or even close), ISC owns the vast majority of the tracks anyone cares about, and the owners themselves do not own any racetracks, which would be essential for them to separate. This would have been a much bigger deal if it happened when Penske still owned the tracks he did in the '90s before selling Michigan, Fontana, Rockingham, and Nazareth to ISC, but this is still the biggest news story in NASCAR this year, and it won't be talked about much... Sure, Bruton Smith threatened to withdraw his tracks and start a rival sanctioning body sometimes, but he hasn't expressed any interest in anything like that in 10-15 years. If Smith is already being nominated for the NASCAR Hall of Fame, he's clearly become enough of an insider with the powers that be that he wouldn't rock the boat anymore... I can't imagine the car owners withdrawing either. Everybody has already seen what happened with CART and IRL. But just having an owner's union doesn't necessarily lead to destruction. Bernie Ecclestone made Formula One globally popular and he originally led the team owner's union as a representative of the Brabham team. Yes, F1 and FOCA feuded for several years, but after they essentially united under Ecclestone, F1 exploded in popularity, as did CART when its team owners owned the series. The France family is never going to let any car owners own a share of the series. There are so few suitable ovals that ISC doesn't own that NASCAR holds all the clout by owning its venues. There is honestly nowhere the car owners could go and not much they could do that would be taken seriously. Even if they got Smith to join them in some NASCAR boycott, I'm not sure how seriously it would be taken. Yes, they'd have most of the best drivers and teams, but I can't imagine it having the same destructive impact the CART/IRL split did. The problem there was that the Indy 500 was taken very seriously before and not so much after by the general public. The difference here is that there are many fans (including me) who don't take the marquee races in Cup seriously at all. After Cope, Waltrip, and Bayne won the Daytona 500, does anybody really CARE who wins there anymore? I think in the eyes of most on here, NASCAR is already straining to be credible. Personally I think there needs to be a check to the France family's largesse that will hopefully encourage them to behave more professionally, to develop a less gimmicky rules package to attempt to have more pure racing than to chase ratings (which ironically is probably helping diminish ratings), to stop attempting to destroy every other competing racing series (Bill France, Jr. and Bernie Ecclestone supposedly both encouraged Tony George to split, France now controls AMA motorcycle racing, which has deteriorated in the eyes of many fans, and Tudor USCC racing, which has also deteriorated in the eyes of many fans). I do not consider Bill France any sort of hero, really. Frankly, some of his quotes rather creep me out. I don't consider any of these car owners heroes either, so I don't really have a side in this. I think to become that powerful an executive on either side, you basically have to be corrupt and stomp on other people's toes (the car owners by driving out the underfunded/independent teams, and NASCAR by meddling around with other series to the point that NASCAR has BECOME racing to everyone in the US...) Since I don't think the car owners have enough power to separate and be taken seriously, I'm for this. They certainly did increase the prestige in the F1 championship )although Ecclestone has been a little loopy lately) and the CART championship. I think the car owners uniting can increase the prestige of NASCAR (without seceding). As long as NASCAR doesn't let them create rules that benefit them and drive out the smaller team owners, but they've already done that with or without the owners unionizing... Bottom line: this doesn't threaten NASCAR because NASCAR owns 12 tracks and the owners own none. Hopefully, this group will successfully cause Brian France to retreat from some of his largesse. As for Bill France rolling in his grave, I kind of don't care because the France family is just as renowned for conflicts of interest as the car owners themselves are. What makes the Frances benevolent dictators while the car owners aren't? In my mind, they're all schmucks. Either way, this is easily the most interesting story in NASCAR in years (as much as it will be overshadowed by most fans) and I have no idea what's going to happen. 882. NRF Official @$$ hat of RR posted: 07.07.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) ^That was pretty damned good there. 883. dennyfan11 posted: 07.07.2014 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A split could work 3 ways,if the organization truely splits from NASCAR to form it's own series. If it works like the CART/USAC split,where most of the top teams and drivers except A.J Foyt and Gilmore Racing left to CART,nothing would change popularity-wise. If it works like the CART/IRL split,where the top teams and drivers did not start jumping for 4 years and mass jumping did not begin for 6,It could Kill stock car racing popularity-wise. If the new series fails and gets merged back into the new one,(I don't know any series that did that) nothing woul change. Or,it would not split at all,and everything would be fine. 884. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.07.2014 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, I think this would be a bigger deal or at least grab more headlines a couple years ago before the new TV deal came into play. Imagine if the RTA was able to be a part of the bargaining table with Fox/NBC/ESPN/etc. and attempt to take in a larger percentage of the TV cut as compared to NASCAR and the tracks; which is essentially NASCAR. Though sponsorship is by far the main source of their revenue, the primary Cup owners aren't walking away from a nice chunk of an $8 billion deal for just showing up to the race track. For now, I see this as the owners having a singular voice in their talks with NASCAR over the facilities, rules packages, etc. rather than having 10-12 owners talking over each other. I don't see a Talladega '69 or Indy '05 walkout or a CART/IRL split happening as some posters here or elsewhere believe. 885. Scott B posted: 07.07.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If the new series fails and gets merged back into the new one,(I don't know any series that did that) nothing would change." I think that is the most likely result if a split were to happen. NASCAR would have the established TV contract and most of the tracks on the current schedule, they'd just have to scramble to find replacement teams (some probably moving up from Trucks or Nationwide). The rival organization would have big teams, and the "name" drivers already under contract to those organizations, but would have to scramble to put together a schedule and negotiate a TV contract with no history to stand on. Both sides would be hurt financially, so there would be motivation for them to get back together within a few years. (I'm assuming it wouldn't be a swift knockout victory for either side). 886. joey2448 posted: 07.07.2014 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two things. I think it's interesting that Rob Kauffman was voted up as the head honcho *insert his actual title here* of this Race Team Alliance. Instead of Rick Hendrick, Roger Penske, coach Joe Gibbs, or the freaking king of NASCAR Richard Petty, they decided Kauffman was going to be their man. It shows the respect that the garage has for him, and I believe that's partly due to his role in bringing a startup Michael Waltrip Racing team with brand new Toyota stock cars (2007) to the forefront of Sprint Cup racing and making them a competitive team out of nothing. Also, does anyone actually know what spurred this? They say that the group was formed to "create an open forum for the teams to explore areas of common interest and to work collaboratively on initiatives to help preserve, promote, and grow the sport of stock car racing."...But I'm just wondering if there is something that really triggered the teams to take this measure? 887. Scott B posted: 07.07.2014 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " I don't see a Talladega '69 or Indy '05 walkout or a CART/IRL split happening as some posters here or elsewhere believe." I don't see one in the short-term future, but it opens up the possibility. There's a lot of money at stake. We've seen strikes and lockouts in other sports, I wouldn't say it can't happen here in the form of a split or a temporary boycott of some sort. 888. TS1420 posted: 07.07.2014 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Lmao at the LOTR fans all butt-hurt over NASCAR pre-empting a horribly edited for television and packed to the gills with commercials airing of 10+ year old movie's. If they were such big fans they should have the blu-ray, dvd, or even vhs copies of the movies. I don't know what to think of this "owners union". Sure, something needs to be put in place to help combat Drunken Baby Huey's dumbass ideas. But I dislike the fact they have excluded all the small non-satellite team owners and have the mastermind of "Spin-Gate" as the head of the union. 889. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 07.07.2014 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There was a walkout at Indy in 2005? 890. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 07.07.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There was a walkout at Indy in 2005? The F1 race. The 8 Michelin teams stayed in the paddocks while the 3 Bridgestone teams (Ferrari and 2 minnow teams) raced. 891. Seagal posted: 07.07.2014 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think many people are forgetting the sponsors' part in all of this. They wield more power than either party, and I'd like to think that the RTA and NASCAR would not do anything to make them rethink their involvement in the sport. I don't think they'd stand for splits and boycotts and whatnot. The whole deal makes me anxious though. There's too much change coming in the sport all at once and it's starting to make me feel like a stranger. Also, why exclude the smaller teams? Their input is just as important. I think this move will only increase the stranglehold that the top teams have on the sport. 892. JG24FanForever posted: 07.07.2014 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As for David's concerns, nothing like the CART/IRL split could ever happen in NASCAR because there is no individual race that is considered as important as the championship (or even close)" You have an opinion. Fred Lorenzen(An actual Nascar Cup driver)has said before,In his NMPA Hall of Fame induction speech,that winning the Southern 500 was the most important thing in a drivers career. If anything, the championship was beyond prestigious from 1986-2003,and virtually ruined when the chase was instituted. I'd rather win 4 straight Southern 500's(No matter the date it's run on)than 5 straight chase championships. Eddie Irvine: "You collect a bunch of points and you're champion. Big deal." 893. 23andJoe posted: 07.07.2014 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) > Everybody has already seen what happened with CART and IRL. And yet that hasn't stopped a microcosm of what's essentially the same thing happening in New England stock car racing. Replace "Indy 500" with "Oxford 250" and "U.S. 500" with "International 500", and hey-o prest-o. 894. Eric posted: 07.07.2014 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JG24FanForever, There is something you forgot to consider with Fred Lorenzen's comments. Fred raced in a time that winning big races gave drivers more money than winning a points championship. Buddy Baker himself even mentioned in the past that tire testing gave him more money than racing did. The amount of money big races gave is a major reason David Pearson didn't do a lot of full time seasons in cup. The fact is from the 1980's to 2003 that winning a cup championship gave drivers more money than winning an individual race does. 895. JG24FanForever posted: 07.07.2014 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, I understand the money aspect of it, but most real racers will tell you that money isn't nearly as important as winning. Lorenzen wasn't speaking of money in regards to the southern 500, he was talking about the prestige of winning itself. And winning the Championship isn't important because of the money, it's because drivers want to be Champion. 896. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 07.07.2014 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think many people are forgetting the sponsors' part in all of this. They wield more power than either party, and I'd like to think that the RTA and NASCAR would not do anything to make them rethink their involvement in the sport. I don't think they'd stand for splits and boycotts and whatnot. The whole deal makes me anxious though. There's too much change coming in the sport all at once and it's starting to make me feel like a stranger." Sponsers have more power because they put forth the most money (unlike what fans think now a days, what fans put forth is just a drop in the bucket compared too what a sponser puts forth.) If anything effects the sponsers bottom line, then EVERYONE will be effected. "Also, why exclude the smaller teams? Their input is just as important. I think this move will only increase the stranglehold that the top teams have on the sport." Leaving out smaller teams the RTA loses some credibility right off the bat. And putting the Spin Gate dude at the top RTA loses more credibility. I'll be interested too see how this things plays out but for some reason, i got a feeling in my gut that isn't a good feeling. If this situation goes bad, VERY bad. I can't put into words the amount damage that would be caused by situation going south and wouldn't be on NASCARs head, fans, sponsers or tracks. It would be on the teams head. Lets not forget, Spin Gate happened because TEAMS manipulated a race PUBLICLY for all the world too see and NASCAR got publicly demolished for it and it wasn't even 100% their fault. In short: I don't trust them at all. And if i was the rest of you, i wouldnj't trust them either. I don't trust TPTB but i trust the teams LESS then them. Mileage will vary. 897. Cornys posted: 07.07.2014 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think the RTA will turn out to be much of anything. They are simply looking to pool resources together to lower costs like every other business has done in this recession (which is still greatly affecting the teams). That's why the big investor in MWR is the head of it. He has a finance background. I'd like to see somebody check the France family power, but, once again, like all dictatorships, they eventually become corrupt or terrible (even if there are only good intentions involved). See: Roman Empire 898. Sean posted: 07.08.2014 - 12:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just wanted to let you all know, this was the first time since the 2007 UAW-Daimler Chrysler 400 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway where no one who started in the top 10 went on to finish in the top 10 also. In this race, Jeff Gordon was the highest finishing driver starting in the top 10, he started 9th and finished 12th by the way." I looked this up myself. I honestly thought even this hadn't been done before, but it had. "Was this the first race ever where the top ten finishers were all outside the top ten in points after the race? I think it would have to be..." I also just looked this up tonight for all seasons starting with the beginning of the Latford points system in 1975, and this is the first race *ever* since then where none of the top ten in the race were in the top ten in points after the race. 899. cjs3872 posted: 07.08.2014 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) JG24FF, that's because being the champion signifies you were the best in your sport for that entire season. But in NASCAR, that changed in 2004 with the advent of the Chase. now, there have been some years in the Chase era where that's still been true, but not as often as most fans would like. And when Fred Lorenzen said that the Southern 500 was the one race he most wanted to win, it's not only because of the prestige, but also because of the total examination that Darlington presents the drivers. Much like the U.S. Open in golf, the Southern 500 has always been the complete and thorough examination of every aspect of a team's performance, from the driver to the chassis package, and the engine, as well as the mechanical components. It taxes the drivers to the limit because of how close they must run to the wall the entire distance, it taxes the handling package to the limit because it's impossible to set up a car to work well at both ends of the track, it taxes the pit crews because of the number of pit stops that are made over the 367 lap distance, it taxes the engines because of the longer-than-you-think straightaways, and it taxes all the mechanical components because, even at the fastest speeds in the race's history, it takes at least 3 hours and 45 minutes to complete the 500 mile distance. Other big races have parts of this thorough examination, but only the Southern 500 has the full examination of every part of what's needed to win. There's a reason why there have been so few winners of the Southern 500 that didn't go on to very good, if not great careers. It tests a driver's ability to the max. That's one thing that the Chase has taken away from the championship, and this year's format robs it even more, because it used to be that to win a championship, a driver and team had to be good EVERYWHERE. That means, short tracks, mile tracks, flat tracks, speedways, superspeedways, oddball tracks, road courses, every kind of track you can think of. But now, all a driver really has to do is to be good on the mid-size tracks, run decently everywhere else, and avoid the carnage at Talladega, and he'll have a good shot at the championship once the Chase arrives, and now with the system that's being used this year, even less of a premium is paid on how good a driver and team are on multiple types of tracks, as it will be the finale at Homestead that will determine the champion. The most recent race is a perfect example of the crazy things that might happen in the Chase, and ultimately the finale. After all, with four drivers guaranteed of being on equal ground entering the finale, you could get a situation like this past weekend's race and have three of the four crash early and the other one can just coast to the title, or even worse, have none of the four eligible for the championship finish the final race of the season and have the champion ending the race in the garage area. In theory, a driver could finish 40th in the finale and still win the title, and if the eventual champion fails to finish the finale with four drivers having an equal shot at it (meaning they all fall out of, or spend time in the garage area of the finale), what would that say about how the champion is crowned? 900. WinstonCupStandings posted: 07.08.2014 - 2:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Top 25 (that are on the big teams) 1) Jeff Gordon (2625) -Leader 2) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (2549) -76 3) Jimmie Johnson (2451) -174 4) Brad Keselowski (2433) -192 5) Matt Kenseth (2396) -229 6) Joey Logano (2279) -346 7) Carl Edwards (2242) -383 8) Kyle Busch (2200) -425 9) Kevin Harvick (2197) -428 10) Ryan Newman (2193) -432 11) Paul Menard (2153) -472 12) Clint Bowyer (2130) -495 13) Greg Biffle (2070) -555 14) Denny Hamlin (2065) -560 15) Brian Vickers (2060) -565 16) Austin Dillon (2053) -572 17) Kasey Kahne (2049) -576 18) Kyle Larson (2044) -581 19) Marcos Ambrose (1998) -627 20) Tony Stewart (1984) -641 21) Aric Almirola (1943) -682 22) Jamie McMurry (1932) -693 23) Kurt Busch (1879) -746 24) Danica Patrick (1643) -982 25) Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (1602) -1023 901. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.08.2014 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the RTA will inevitably try to get a bigger slice of the pie and, historically speaking, that almost never happens without some kind of revolution. We could be looking at a different NASCAR in a few years, for better or worse. I don't think the phrase "you need NASCAR more than NASCAR needs you" applies to the situation anymore, either. I think anyone who thinks this will simply be a "pooling of resources" is being incredibly naive. 902. Scott B posted: 07.08.2014 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Zackary, I agree. Rob Kaufmann was clearly picked to head this because of his money skills, over guys who are more racing insider types. Cost cutting measures can only put a limited amount of money back in the pockets of team owners, and the smaller teams that would benefit the most from those changes are the ones that are currently excluded from the RTA. I think the timing may have something to do with the new TV deal that NASCAR just signed. Getting a bigger piece of the income pie will do far more for the owners than any savings on the cost cutting side. That's why I fear this could get ugly. 903. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.08.2014 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And indeed it has been confirmed that one of the primary motivations behind this is getting more money from the TV deal. I, for one, doubt NASCAR will give that up just because the owners asked. 904. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.08.2014 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well actually, I guess NASCAR could take money from the tracks and give it to the teams, but would create another set of major problems in and of itself. 905. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 07.08.2014 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And indeed it has been confirmed that one of the primary motivations behind this is getting more money from the TV deal. I, for one, doubt NASCAR will give that up just because the owners asked." If that is one of the reasons why the RTA was formed, why in the hell couldn't the teams just go the table with NASCAR when the new deal was being talked about? Was it really that hard too do? But i'm with Scott B, this could get ugly if the teams want a bigger piece of the pie. 906. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.08.2014 - 2:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "If that is one of the reasons why the RTA was formed, why in the hell couldn't the teams just go the table with NASCAR when the new deal was being talked about? Was it really that hard too do? But i'm with Scott B, this could get ugly if the teams want a bigger piece of the pie. " Sounds the bigger teams are trying to shove the little guys out of the sport. 907. Feetduck posted: 07.08.2014 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It might be because there was 42 cars at kentucky 908. DB1995 posted: 07.08.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) anyone else think John Wes Townley is making some questionable career moves? He moved he and his sponsorship from Red Horse to Richie Wauters going from a contending team to a barely top 10 team, now he is moving to a whole new start up team Athenian motorsports, i think we all know he could have stayed at any ride he was in. 909. The Crimson King posted: 07.08.2014 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know it's absolute longshot but I'd love for some of the smaller teams to get a bigger cut of the pie. It's always bothered me that despite 43 guys are competing, only 15-20 of them are competitive consistently. I'd love to see a REAL 43 car field one day, though I know it'll never happen. 910. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 07.08.2014 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sounds the bigger teams are trying to shove the little guys out of the sport." If does indeed be the case then they are only hurting themselves in the long run. NASCAR has always had small teams in its races, they may not always run well or have the best funding but they show up and give 120% anyway. If they drive out smaller teams they are hurting NASCAR short and long term. It wouldn't suprise me if the smaller teams join forces and enter the fray. 911. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.08.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I know it's absolute longshot but I'd love for some of the smaller teams to get a bigger cut of the pie. It's always bothered me that despite 43 guys are competing, only 15-20 of them are competitive consistently. I'd love to see a REAL 43 car field one day, though I know it'll never happen. " Remember the 90s when guys like Steve Grissom and Joe Nemechek would have miracle runs and lead 50 laps (for real with a green flag pass) at a superspeedway like Atlanta whilst driving for teams equivalent to Front Row or Harry Scott Motorsports? 912. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.08.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Brazil is getting their butts handed to them. 913. startandparkfan posted: 07.08.2014 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #909, IndyCar is similar to that, only like three cars can not contend on a weekly basis. (In my opinion, some may think otherwise.) 914. startandparkfan posted: 07.08.2014 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a side notes, I have received a large amount of NASCAR memorabilia from a die-hard Dale Earnhardt and overall NASCAR fan who was forced to move out of her house. I am looking to sell some of the stuff, and thought you guys would like to buy some. I will try to get a website set up ASAP. The stuff includes: Die casts (some are very rare), hero cards, and more, mostly Earnhardt stuff. Lots of the stuff, specifically hero cards, are autographed, including guys like Dale, Kenny Irwin, and I think Mario Andretti. Would you guys be interested in buying some stuff? 915. startandparkfan posted: 07.08.2014 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "anyone else think John Wes Townley is making some questionable career moves? He moved he and his sponsorship from Red Horse to Richie Wauters going from a contending team to a barely top 10 team, now he is moving to a whole new start up team Athenian motorsports, i think we all know he could have stayed at any ride he was in." I agree. With a built in sponsor, Townley most likely could have stayed or went anywhere. There must have been some internal conflict we don't know about. 916. ch posted: 07.08.2014 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Isn't Townley's father somehow involved with Athenian's ownership? 917. Anonymous posted: 07.08.2014 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) What you guys don't realize is how much all of these wrecked trucks are costing these teams. He was fired from Red Horse racing because of all the wrecked trucks and he won't be with Wauters for the rest of the season for the same reason. 918. jabber1990 posted: 07.08.2014 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) has anyone mentioned that Morgan Shepard will run at new Hampshire in the #33 (Faulk) making him the oldest person to attempt a cup race. This is not a Start and park operation its a car that will run the whole race go for it! if you can keep it up (and do better than Danica) then more power to ya! @noble_jim said that this isn't really very good for NASCAR, especially after the McNabb ordeal. but if he can be competitive the whole race and get a respectable finish he'll apologize 919. jabber1990 posted: 07.08.2014 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not trying to be negative but I was worried about Stenhouse when he first go promoted due to history if you look at everyone who won 2 consecutive Nationwide titles what ever happened to them? Sam Ard (what happened to him?) Larry Pearson (see Sam Ard) Randy Lajoie (doing other things, but didn't he turn down a Hendrick ride?) Dale Earnhardt Jr. Martin Truex Jr. (no comment) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. so I wonder if winning 2 nationwide titles in a row is a curse? and somebody said that Stenhouse had no competition, I will disagree, Carl Edwards should have won the 2011 title but he wasn't credited with any points 920. TS1420 posted: 07.08.2014 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) JWT's questionable career move is being "John Wrecks Weekly". According to the utmost authority on NASCAR, Brad Daugherty, the caRTA is after more TV money. This could get messy if true. 921. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.08.2014 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sam Ard almost died in the 84 Cup Rockingham race. Now as Alzheimers as a result Larry Pearson Cup bust Randy Lajoie Cup bust Active: Dale Earnhardt Jr. Martin Truex Jr. Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 922. Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted: 07.08.2014 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Randy Lajoie Cup bust" I wouldn't call LaJoie a cup bust as he never had a shot at more than 14 races in a single cup season and that was actually before both of his NNS titles. His problem was his attitude and personality. He once said something about "liking having Sundays off to spend with his family" as his reason for never taking a cup ride but the truth was due to his personality he was never offered a legitimate cup shot. He was let go by James Finch because of multiple disagreements with him, he was let go from the team he won his two championships with because of disagreements with the team owner, he was released from the Ed Evans / NEMCO team mid-season in 2003 because of disagreements with Evans, his career could have been so much better if he could have worked with people. I will admit though, one thing that hurt him was the fact that he didn't run his first full season in the Busch series until he was 32 years old, although that was in the time when most of the Busch competitors were full-time guys, not cup drivers and 18 year old buy-a-rides like today. Sadly, his son Corey LaJoie seems destined for a similar path (see his 2012 incident with Brett Moffitt). Corey has a ton of potential but I don't see him ever getting a good cup ride (or any cup ride at this point). 923. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 07.08.2014 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "According to the utmost authority on NASCAR, Brad Daugherty, the caRTA is after more TV money. This could get messy if true." Someone on another forum basically said NASCAR lst the racing plot quite awhile ago because they are worried about team costs then changes the rules. Also (for those who want reduced horsepower read this) the teams aren't fond either of the prospect of racing with de-tuned engines every week when NASCAR decided too lower the HP of the engies. This problem has been brewing for a while now. So basically the RTA is formed for more money (TV money) too cover costs that NASCAR makes too the rules because there are LOUD VOICES screaming for consisent changes. I think i may have just solved the issue. :-P 924. murb posted: 07.08.2014 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wouldn't call LaJoie a cup bust as he never had a shot at more than 14 races in a single cup season and that was actually before both of his NNS titles." Not to mention that his ride during that time was the Bill Davis 22 car, which was always horrible up until Ward Burton took over (and even then, Ward was less than stellar in that car up until 1999/2000 when he started to become a top ten driver in Cup). But yeah, I wouldn't call Lajoie a Cup bust either. He was just a guy who decided after a while that he would be better off making his career in the lower series, which is what a lot of other guys in his era (Keller, Setzer, Sawyer, Fedewa, etc) did too. 925. Eric posted: 07.08.2014 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NicoRosbergFan, Sam Ard didn't his get his 1984 career ending crashing in the Rockingham cup series race, but in the Rockingham Busch Series race. This site actually has Sam crashed on lap 14 while leading the race. Sam's career ending crash happened because he lost control when he slid on Wayne Patterson's oil in turn 3 and nailed the wall. 926. joey2448 posted: 07.09.2014 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but NASCAR has fined Stewart-Haas Racing crew chief Daniel Knost $10,000 because the track bar on Kurt Busch's Chevrolet exceeded the maximum separation. Busch was also docked 10 driver points and Gene Haas 10 owner points for the infraction. 927. Sean posted: 07.09.2014 - 1:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But yeah, I wouldn't call Lajoie a Cup bust either." He beat Jeff Gordon at Martinsville in 1998! I thought his stint in the #25 was really good actually. I thought he should have been the ultimate replacement for Craven instead of Dallenbach, and I don't know why it didn't end up happening. I would not call him a bust. It would be hard for me to call Larry Pearson a bust too. He was driving for his father's team but David Pearson's team for whatever reason was not even close to DEI (probably because Earnhardt had a lot more money in 2000 than Pearson had in the late '80s...) Larry Pearson never got a shot in winning equipment so it's hard to call him a bust either. Stenhouse on the other hand IS. Roush may not be what they were, but they're still a better team than the Pearsons' family operation. 928. JoeFan#66#87#8 posted: 07.09.2014 - 3:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Timmy Hill will be in the 87 at New Hampshire. Joe will be in Iowa helping John Hunter. 929. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.09.2014 - 4:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "NicoRosbergFan, Sam Ard didn't his get his 1984 career ending crashing in the Rockingham cup series race, but in the Rockingham Busch Series race. This site actually has Sam crashed on lap 14 while leading the race." So it was indeed 930. Feetduck posted: 07.09.2014 - 9:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting stat of the day:Kyle bush has not had 2 top 5's in a row this season. 931. dennyfan11 posted: 07.09.2014 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To the guy who said Steve Grissom and Joe Nemechek led lots of laps for bad teams is not true. Grissom never led more than 20 laps in a race and Larry Hedrick's team was actually pretty good. Joe Nemechek led lots of laps before he won,but SABCO was a good team too. 932. dennyfan11 posted: 07.09.2014 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "IndyCar is similar to that, only like three cars can not contend on a weekly basis. (In my opinion, some may think otherwise.)" Disagreed! The folowing drivers have got very few or no good runs so far. Ryan Briscoe Tony Kanaan James Hinchcliffe Mikhael Aleshin Justin Wilson Jack Hawksworth Carlos Huertas Josef Newgarden Graham Rahal Sebastien Savvedra Takuma Sato. 933. 23andJoe posted: 07.09.2014 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) >anyone else think John Wes Townley is making some questionable career moves? He moved he and his sponsorship from Red Horse to Richie Wauters going from a contending team to a barely top 10 team, now he is moving to a whole new start up team Athenian motorsports, i think we all know he could have stayed at any ride he was in. So...when he's with one of the "established" teams, he's a buy-a-ride driver who's only there because of daddy's money who's taking a seat another 'more deserving' driver should have. When he moves to set up a family team, however, it's a 'questionable career move' and he should have stayed... >What you guys don't realize is how much all of these wrecked trucks are costing these teams. He was fired from Red Horse racing because of all the wrecked trucks and he won't be with Wauters for the rest of the season for the same reason. I believe the operative term is 'citation needed'. Especially since he hasn't...you know...been crashing all that much, especially compared to how he used to be. However some (and often Anonymous) people will defend to the death the idea he's still 'John Wrecks Weekly'. >Larry Hedrick's team was actually pretty good In 1997, yes, but unfortunatly in '98 the team started circling the drain. 934. NRF official @$$ hat of RR posted: 07.09.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "To the guy who said Steve Grissom and Joe Nemechek led lots of laps for bad teams is not true. Grissom never led more than 20 laps in a race and Larry Hedrick's team was actually pretty good. Joe Nemechek led lots of laps before he won,but SABCO was a good team too. " I pulled two random names out of a freaking hat. So shoot me because I didn't pick two real examples. Point is this: I am fairly certain that come Labor Day weekend we are not going to see Michael Annett pass Kevin Harvick for the lead on lap 67 under green flag conditions and proceed to lead the next 168 laps. 935. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.09.2014 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ryan Briscoe Tony Kanaan James Hinchcliffe Mikhael Aleshin Justin Wilson Jack Hawksworth Carlos Huertas Josef Newgarden Graham Rahal Sebastien Savvedra Takuma Sato." Tony Kanaan has had some good runs this year. He led the most laps last Sunday at Pocono before his pit crew worked an awful strategy on the last and only caution. Plus he ran top 5 all race long at Texas before finishing 6th. Who knows, he might have been a factor to win the Indy 500 before a mechanical issue took him out of contention around lap 70; he started in the mid teens and had worked his way into the top ten before the issue. He's just had awful luck. Josef Newgarden likewise has had terrible luck this year. He's had the most DNFs of any driver solely due to the fact that he's had bad luck (look at Long Beach where he ran top 5 and possibly could've won until Ryan Hunter Reay made the aggressive move that took Newgarden and others out of the race). Milkhail Aleshin has had MORE than a few good runs this year. Texas and Pocono were his second and third ever ovals, and he finished seventh in both. Plus he's had some really good runs on the street courses this year, including a podium at the second Houston race. 936. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.09.2014 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Link for standings info: http://www.nascar.com/en_us/sprint-cup-series/standings.default.1956.100%20Miles%20at%20Tennessee-Carolina%20Speedway.html 937. dennyfan11 posted: 07.09.2014 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 7th is not good by Indycar standards IMO. Why is because the average race has only half the amount of cars as a NASCAR race. What would you be more proud with? 10 out of 43 or 10 out of 22? 938. dennyfan11 posted: 07.09.2014 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) To me,a top 5 in Indycar is equivalent to a top 10 in NASCAR,and a podium is a top 5. A win is still a win. 939. jabber1990 posted: 07.09.2014 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wayne Auton said the reason why 2-car drafting is illegal in the Truck and nationwide series is because the owners asked if something could be done, they were tired of destroying their fleet at plate races he also said that the Nationwide series hadn't seen a checkered flag at a plate race in 5 years, not 100% sure what he meant but i'm not sure he's right 940. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.10.2014 - 7:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) " 937. dennyfan11 posted: 07.09.2014 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 7th is not good by Indycar standards IMO. Why is because the average race has only half the amount of cars as a NASCAR race. What would you be more proud with? 10 out of 43 or 10 out of 22? 938. dennyfan11 posted: 07.09.2014 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To me,a top 5 in Indycar is equivalent to a top 10 in NASCAR,and a podium is a top 5. A win is still a win. " Yes, but in IndyCar every one of those drivers is just as capable of the next as getting a top-10 or top-5. In NASCAR, there is a much clearer hierarchy that is dictated more by which team you drive for rather than the strategy and accident-avoidance that are the dominant factors in IndyCar. We just had Carlos Huertas win an IndyCar race, and he is a pretty comparable talent to Josh Wise. 941. startandparkfan posted: 07.10.2014 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Clay Rodgers in the #75 was a late entrant to the cup race at New Hampshire, but then immediately withdrew. 942. Scott B posted: 07.10.2014 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch is 24th in IndyCar points as a result of running one race. He's 26th in Cup points running full time with a top-tier team, and having notched a win this season. Let's ask him which series has a deeper field. 943. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.10.2014 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Kurt Busch is 24th in IndyCar points as a result of running one race. He's 26th in Cup points running full time with a top-tier team, and having notched a win this season. Let's ask him which series has a deeper field. " Really? So now we are measuring depth of talent by number of cars? Plus Busch finished sixth in a race with double points. Did I not mention the luck aspect of things? Kurt Busch has had NO luck this year. I know this will really kick your balls, but Global RallyCross was much more entertaining than NASCAR in year one... and they had 12 cars. 944. startandparkfan posted: 07.10.2014 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I still think that the Indy 500 is more prestigious than the Daytona 500, although this is arguable. The Indy 500 just has more history. But still, both are very prestigious events. 945. startandparkfan posted: 07.10.2014 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Point is this: I am fairly certain that come Labor Day weekend we are not going to see Michael Annett pass Kevin Harvick for the lead on lap 67 under green flag conditions and proceed to lead the next 168 laps." Bold prediction: This happens. 946. Sean posted: 07.10.2014 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Larry Hedrick's team was actually pretty good." No, it wasn't. "SABCO was a good team too." Sometimes they were, but not when Nemechek was driving for them. Only when Kyle Petty was driving for them and he had either Gary Nelson or Robin Pemberton as his crew chief. "Disagreed! The folowing drivers have got very few or no good runs so far." Ryan Briscoe - I actually agree. He's been very disappointing thus far. Despite being in a Ganassi car, he hasn't really done anything close to being in contention for a win (when a lot of drivers who are worse in theory have) despite his vast experience. It looked really bad that he was the last Big Three driver to get a top five finish, even though admittedly, Ganassi does not look like one of the top three teams this season (it looks like Schmidt and maybe even Carpenter have passed them.) He's top ten in points only because he got lucky in the double-points races relative to his teammates. Tony Kanaan - Hello? He just led the most laps at Pocono. He also got a podium at Detroit and would have likely fought Huertas and Montoya for the win on the last lap at the second Houston race had Rahal not punted him under caution. James Hinchcliffe - I'll admit he's disappointed me this season for the car he is in but he still led the most laps at the first Houston race, was battling for second when he crashed at Indy, was battling for the lead at Long Beach when he got caught in the RHR/Newgarden crash. While his race performance remains wildly inconsistent, his qualifying performances have gotten more consistent, which may bode well for him in future years. I think he's probably on the hot seat right now at Andretti since he seems to want Pagenaud more right now. Mikhael Aleshin - Qualified/finished 2nd in the second Houston race and has been getting top tens on the ovals. No, he isn't really close to Simon Pagenaud and hasn't led much, but he's greatly improved on Tristan Vautier and he impresses me more than the more overhyped Carlos Munoz. Jack Hawksworth - Led the most laps on the Indy road course, finished 3rd at Houston, and had a couple other top five runs before bizarre mechanical problems. Justin Wilson - The most underrated veteran driver in the series, but I'll admit he hasn't had many great runs this season. He's still in a Dale Coyne car (which struggle to be competitive anywhere), he still lost his fairly legendary engineer Bill Pappas to Graham Rahal, etc... I'll admit he seems to have gotten complacent ever since he tried to explore leaving Coyne last season. He seems to be furious with himself that he signed a 3-year contact with them and therefore was ineligible to take over the #10 ride when Dario retired, which he deserved, and now seems to not care as much as he used to. But it's HARD to overachieve in that sort of car. Carlos Huertas - Yeah, he won in the other Coyne car, but it was a fairly cheap win. Look at how many people have criticized Paul Menard's, David Reutimann's, or Joey Logano's first wins. This was pretty much the same sort of thing, except Huertas has probably been slower than even those three relative to his peers on the track. I like the kid, but I'm not very impressed yet with anything except his ability to avoid crashing. But still, he won. Josef Newgarden - I'm extremely disappointed with him this year. I expected him this year to step up and threaten for race wins and prove the mettle he needs to move to a stronger team, considering he's in a contract year. He has had awful luck, sure. He has also had way too many unforced errors, crashing in the first Detroit race by himself, crashing in both Houston races by himself (though one was a mechanical problem, so not really his fault), crashing in Pocono qualifying by himself, clipping his wing at the Indy road course (which I believe was his fault), etc..., etc..., etc... At some point this becomes unfulfilled potential. Carlos Munoz is making lots of stupid mistakes too (which is why I'm less willing to hype him than everyone else seems to), but he's a rookie and is getting better finishes. Newgarden seemingly crossed from "guy with potential" to "also-ran" for me at the Houston weekend, when he crashed in both races (as a 3rd-year competitor who should be improving, not backsliding) yet ALL FOUR ROOKIES finished on the podium... He is my favorite driver, but I've got to admit I'm disappointed and at this point I merely hope he'll be rehired by Sarah Fisher. I'm not at all sure he deserves much better at this point, even though I root for him hard. Still, he got punted by RHR at Long Beach when he was in the effective lead (and could have won the race) and led at Pocono late (with another caution, he possibly could have won). But I'll agree, he has overall been disappointing. Graham Rahal - He has also been extremely disappointing as usual especially given he landed the National Guard sponsorship (one of the biggest in IndyCar) and Bill Pappas (one of the best engineers in IndyCar). He still looked very fast in several street races, particularly the first Detroit race, when he drove up from nowhere to second, and the first Houston race, when he stalled his car and drove up to 4th before punting Kanaan under caution (and he was way faster than Huertas, Montoya, and Kanaan, so with his restart ability - one of the few things he seems particularly good at - he possibly could have won). He has also been unlucky, and although he's been bad, he hasn't been AS bad as he looks. Sebastien Savvedra - No argument needed here. He's the worst driver in the series. Takuma Sato - He's won two poles for A.J. Foyt's team this year. He also dominated in the rain at Houston until he got wrecked by Aleshin. Briscoe, Wilson, and Saavedra are the only three drivers I would say did not contend for any wins AT ALL. That doesn't mean they're the three least talented drivers. Wilson certainly isn't. Briscoe PROBABLY isn't, but is looking worse every year. 947. Sean posted: 07.10.2014 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Yes, but in IndyCar every one of those drivers is just as capable of the next as getting a top-10 or top-5. In NASCAR, there is a much clearer hierarchy that is dictated more by which team you drive for rather than the strategy and accident-avoidance that are the dominant factors in IndyCar." So does this mean you prefer spec? I know even people like Roger Penske say that NASCAR these days is LESS spec than IndyCar, and most IndyCar fans I know wish that the series had more innovative cars and think that the lack of technical innovation is one of the principal reasons the series has plummeted in popularity. In 1994, NASCAR drivers seemed to have a lot more impact on how their teams ran, while in 1994, CART drivers seemed to have a lot LESS (Penske just dominated that season start-to-finish). Every series has had extended periods - sometimes long ones - where the team you drive for is the dominant factor. You can flip this, you know. Is it more impressive for one group to be able to dominate or for everybody to be in contention for wins, meaning nobody is separating themselves from the pack much? These aren't clear answers, but it sounds like you'd rate a current IndyCar win higher than a 1994 IndyCar win because most teams can fight for the win now while they couldn't in 1994. Do you think high-tech is a bad thing? It MIGHT be when you want to evaluate talent, I'll admit. "Kurt Busch is 24th in IndyCar points as a result of running one race. He's 26th in Cup points running full time with a top-tier team, and having notched a win this season. Let's ask him which series has a deeper field." Yes, but Kurt has been extremely unlucky in Cup this season, and was extremely lucky in the Indy 500. If you watched, you might have noticed that Sage Karam and J.R. Hildebrand were faster than him despite being in one-offs for worse teams. They were also making tons of passes - all Busch did was pass Takuma Sato three times. Busch did not come close to having the 6th best performance at Indy. He has been way better than 26th in Cup in performance - has he been performing as poorly as Stenhouse or Danica? No, he hasn't. What matters is average running position. That indicates whether somebody is RUNNING well or not. I know a lot of people say that the finishing position is all that matters. I just see the finishing position as the last data point and see it as asinine that people ignore what happened in the rest of the race, which is clearly more correlated with how well people are running. People all the time say that somebody had a good run when they actually didn't but finished well. Having a good run is being up front or overachieving for the entire race or a large portion of the race. The top 10 in average running position this year are: 1. Jeff Gordon - 9.565 2. Joey Logano - 9.851 3. Jimmie Johnson - 11.230 4. Dale Earnhardt Jr. - 11.877 5. Kevin Harvick - 12.128 6. Brad Keselowski - 12.312 7. Matt Kenseth - 13.104 8. Denny Hamlin - 13.853 9. Kyle Busch - 14.396 10. Kurt Busch - 14.930 Doesn't that come a LOT closer to evaluating how drivers have actually run this year than the points standings do? Saying Kurt is 26th in points is not exactly fair when he's not RUNNING mid-pack in most races. If you watched the 500, you'll know that Kurt ran in the teens for the vast majority of the race and only finished in the top ten because he got lucky in the end. He only passed Karam and Hildebrand because they got trapped a lap down by a caution after they pitted. He didn't nearly have the 6th best performance. His average running position on green flag laps was 15.08939, WORSE than his average running position in Cup despite competing against a smaller field. That means his Cup performance was actually better, as one should expect with his experience. Judging things just based on the finish (which is all points positions reflect) is not accurate. Judging things based on the run is not. 948. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.10.2014 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I still think that the Indy 500 is more prestigious than the Daytona 500, although this is arguable. The Indy 500 just has more history. But still, both are very prestigious events." I just wish somehow we could see more crossover between the two races. Having IndyCar guys at Daytona and having NASCAR guys at Indy would be good for both, IMO. 949. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.10.2014 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Really? So now we are measuring depth of talent by number of cars? Plus Busch finished sixth in a race with double points. Did I not mention the luck aspect of things? Kurt Busch has had NO luck this year. I know this will really kick your balls, but Global RallyCross was much more entertaining than NASCAR in year one... and they had 12 cars." Plus, the American Le Mans Series was always exciting in my opinion despite the fact that most of the time their fields barely exceeded 30 cars for all five classes total. Last year's season was very entertaining despite the fact that most of the time there were only 2-3 P1 cars and 4 P2 cars entered each race. "7th is not good by Indycar standards IMO. Why is because the average race has only half the amount of cars as a NASCAR race. What would you be more proud with? 10 out of 43 or 10 out of 22?" As people have already mentioned, the number of cars entered really doesn't matter. Remember the Indy Lights race at Indianapolis last year when they were four wide at the finish line? There were only 11 cars entered in that race. 950. SpeedWorld97 posted: 07.10.2014 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Plus what's remarkable about Aleshin's seventh place finishes at Texas and Pocono is that those were only his second and third ever ovals in his racing career, yet he raced aggressively and wasn't driving well off the pace or looked lost. Between the two races he competed 447 of a possible 448 laps. Not bad if you ask me. 951. cjs3872 posted: 07.10.2014 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Guys, one of the reasons why Kurt Busch ran in the teens during much of the Indianapolis 500 was because it was his FIRST IndyCar race of any kind, and he was just playing it very conservatively, especially since he knew that where he ran in that portion of the race meant absolutely nothing. I think he could have run harder than he did, but he wanted to make sure he didn't crash, which is one reason he believes his practice crash may have been the best thing that happened to him there. I had a feeling going in that if he had no trouble that he would have a chance to finish in the top ten, but what he wound up doing was even a surprise to me, because he was able to make up ground and enter the top ten under the green flag, since it wouldn't be until lap 150 that the caution flag would come out for the first time. And I believe that if he wanted to push it on those final restarts, that he could have gotten up there to challenge for the win, but his goal was to finish the race, and then after that, if he finished among the top ten, it would have been a bonus. But he had no intention of pushing it at any time on those late restarts, mainly in fear of potentially crashing a teammate who was not just racing for the Indianapolis 500 win, but for the championship, as well. He did have that in mind. In other words, he treated those late restarts at Indy as if they were a in a Nationwide race, in terms of respecting the other competitors who were racing not just for the race win, but also for the championship. That's why he wasn't as aggressive as you would normally see him on those restarts, and why he didn't have an even better chance to win. But for him to run as well as he did, constantly improving in the second half of the race, is a remarkable achievement. If you watch that race, you would have noticed, just as I did, that the later the race got, the closer to the front he got, not just because he was gaining confidence, but also because of his experience in 500-mile races in NASCAR, as well as his experience at drafting. After all, knowing there were going to be about seven or eight pit stops in that race, he also knew that with so many pit stops and the fact that the cars were going to stay bunched up all day, that there was no reason to charge through the field when there wasn't anything to gain from it, which is why he settled back in the field for the first half of the race. But the closer to the finish it got, the higher in the field he ran, and given the competition level, Kurt's run may have been the best ever for any NASCAR driver, Indy rookie or not, because of how different the cars are from the much heavier NASCAR cars he's driven for 15 years. Kurt showed the IndyCar people that hadn't seen him race before exactly why he's a NASCAR champion. Finishing sixth in the Indianapolis 500 as your very first IndyCar race in one of the most competitive fields in the race's history with extremely little driving knowledge of IndyCars is an incredible achievement, and one that will live with Kurt Busch forever. And you can bet that when NASCAR returns to Indy for the 21st Brickyard 400 late in the month, that Kurt will be one of the fan favorites for one of the few times in his career. 952. dennyfan11 posted: 07.10.2014 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ABout larry hedrick not being good,they were not GREAT,but they were decent and much better than the low budget teams today. 953. dennyfan11 posted: 07.10.2014 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a follow up to Indycar,the following NASCAR drivers have got little to no good runs this year. Austin Dillon Casey Mears Martin Truex Jr. Danica Patrick Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Justin Allgaier Michael Annett David Gilliland Cole Whitt David Ragan Reed Sorenson Alex Bowman Josh Wise RYan Truex Landon Cassil. 954. dennyfan11 posted: 07.10.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @946. "Ryan Briscoe - I actually agree. He's been very disappointing thus far. Despite being in a Ganassi car, he hasn't really done anything close to being in contention for a win (when a lot of drivers who are worse in theory have) despite his vast experience. It looked really bad that he was the last Big Three driver to get a top five finish, even though admittedly, Ganassi does not look like one of the top three teams this season (it looks like Schmidt and maybe even Carpenter have passed them.) He's top ten in points only because he got lucky in the double-points races relative to his teammates. Nothing to say here. Tony Kanaan - Hello? He just led the most laps at Pocono. He also got a podium at Detroit and would have likely fought Huertas and Montoya for the win on the last lap at the second Houston race had Rahal not punted him under caution. I am talking about little to now good FINISHING poisitions,not how they ran overall. James Hinchcliffe - I'll admit he's disappointed me this season for the car he is in but he still led the most laps at the first Houston race, was battling for second when he crashed at Indy, was battling for the lead at Long Beach when he got caught in the RHR/Newgarden crash. While his race performance remains wildly inconsistent, his qualifying performances have gotten more consistent, which may bode well for him in future years. I think he's probably on the hot seat right now at Andretti since he seems to want Pagenaud more right now. Good point! Mikhael Aleshin - Qualified/finished 2nd in the second Houston race and has been getting top tens on the ovals. No, he isn't really close to Simon Pagenaud and hasn't led much, but he's greatly improved on Tristan Vautier and he impresses me more than the more overhyped Carlos Munoz. I personally don't think Top 10s are good In Indycar,because of the fact that there are only 1/2 the drivers in each race discounting INDY. Jack Hawksworth - Led the most laps on the Indy road course, finished 3rd at Houston, and had a couple other top five runs before bizarre mechanical problems. again,this is about FINISHING poisiton. Justin Wilson - The most underrated veteran driver in the series, but I'll admit he hasn't had many great runs this season. He's still in a Dale Coyne car (which struggle to be competitive anywhere), he still lost his fairly legendary engineer Bill Pappas to Graham Rahal, etc... I'll admit he seems to have gotten complacent ever since he tried to explore leaving Coyne last season. He seems to be furious with himself that he signed a 3-year contact with them and therefore was ineligible to take over the #10 ride when Dario retired, which he deserved, and now seems to not care as much as he used to. But it's HARD to overachieve in that sort of car. nothing to say here. Carlos Huertas - Yeah, he won in the other Coyne car, but it was a fairly cheap win. Look at how many people have criticized Paul Menard's, David Reutimann's, or Joey Logano's first wins. This was pretty much the same sort of thing, except Huertas has probably been slower than even those three relative to his peers on the track. I like the kid, but I'm not very impressed yet with anything except his ability to avoid crashing. But still, he won. nothing to say here. Josef Newgarden - I'm extremely disappointed with him this year. I expected him this year to step up and threaten for race wins and prove the mettle he needs to move to a stronger team, considering he's in a contract year. He has had awful luck, sure. He has also had way too many unforced errors, crashing in the first Detroit race by himself, crashing in both Houston races by himself (though one was a mechanical problem, so not really his fault), crashing in Pocono qualifying by himself, clipping his wing at the Indy road course (which I believe was his fault), etc..., etc..., etc... At some point this becomes unfulfilled potential. Carlos Munoz is making lots of stupid mistakes too (which is why I'm less willing to hype him than everyone else seems to), but he's a rookie and is getting better finishes. Newgarden seemingly crossed from "guy with potential" to "also-ran" for me at the Houston weekend, when he crashed in both races (as a 3rd-year competitor who should be improving, not backsliding) yet ALL FOUR ROOKIES finished on the podium... He is my favorite driver, but I've got to admit I'm disappointed and at this point I merely hope he'll be rehired by Sarah Fisher. I'm not at all sure he deserves much better at this point, even though I root for him hard. Still, he got punted by RHR at Long Beach when he was in the effective lead (and could have won the race) and led at Pocono late (with another caution, he possibly could have won). But I'll agree, he has overall been disappointing. Nothing to say here. Graham Rahal - He has also been extremely disappointing as usual especially given he landed the National Guard sponsorship (one of the biggest in IndyCar) and Bill Pappas (one of the best engineers in IndyCar). He still looked very fast in several street races, particularly the first Detroit race, when he drove up from nowhere to second, and the first Houston race, when he stalled his car and drove up to 4th before punting Kanaan under caution (and he was way faster than Huertas, Montoya, and Kanaan, so with his restart ability - one of the few things he seems particularly good at - he possibly could have won). He has also been unlucky, and although he's been bad, he hasn't been AS bad as he looks. nothing to say here. Sebastien Savvedra - No argument needed here. He's the worst driver in the series. nothing to say here. Takuma Sato - He's won two poles for A.J. Foyt's team this year. He also dominated in the rain at Houston until he got wrecked by Aleshin." Good Qualifying runs does not matter THAT much. Remember Loy Allen Jr in NASCAR 1994? and plus,1 good run does not mean good. 955. dennyfan11 posted: 07.10.2014 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I Wonder... What race had the most conspiracy comments? 956. Anonymous posted: 07.10.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I Wonder... What race had the most conspiracy comments? " This is such an insidious question. 957. DB1995 posted: 07.10.2014 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Austin Dillon Casey Mears Martin Truex Jr. Danica Patrick Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Justin Allgaier Michael Annett David Gilliland Cole Whitt David Ragan Reed Sorenson Alex Bowman Josh Wise RYan Truex Landon Cassil." All of these drivers have really not had good runs? -Austin Dillon sat on the pole and finished top 10 in the 500, and ran in the top 10 alot at Kentucky, -Casey Mears finished 4th oin the very race you commented this on -Danica Patrick ran in the top 10 all night and finished 7th at Kansas -2nd at Bristol -Justin Allgaier finished 16th at Michigan, pretty good considering the team -Michael Annett has top 20s at Fontana, Talladega, Pocono, and Kentucky I got to eat supper so i dont have time to see if the others have had good runs this year. 958. numbah10hatah posted: 07.10.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #5 sponsor: Farmers Insurance/ G.I. Jobs 959. Sean posted: 07.10.2014 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I am talking about little to now good FINISHING poisitions,not how they ran overall." Finishes very often reflect luck more than skill. Everybody goes on about how the finish is the only thing that matters. In the long run, that is likely correct, as in theory, luck should average out over a long run (i.e. hundreds of races), but it does not average out over a single season. Not even close. When you run consistently better than you finish, you are more likely to finish well in the future (Kevin Harvick this year). When you finish considerably better than you run, you are more likely to finish worse in the future when others don't have bad luck (Ryan Newman). The finish is overrated. It's the last data point. How you run is the best predictor or measure of performance. You're far from the only person who doesn't get this, however. "I personally don't think Top 10s are good In Indycar,because of the fact that there are only 1/2 the drivers in each race discounting INDY." That's a more valid point, but given his lack of oval experience and my opinion that the Schmidt cars are pretty good but not great, he's doing a good job. "again,this is about FINISHING poisiton." So the driver should be blamed by having mechanical problems? Hawksworth's bad finishes on road courses are very rarely his fault (bad pit strategy, mechanical problems, something team-induced because Herta is one of the weaker teams). His struggles on ovals may be. "Good Qualifying runs does not matter THAT much. Remember Loy Allen Jr in NASCAR 1994?" When somebody has a clear chassis/engine/tire advantage, no. The Hoosier tires were frequently (but not always) dominant on short runs in '94, leading to Geoff Bodine lapping the field at North Wilkesboro (one of the few times they were just as dominant on long runs), Harry Gant winning a pole at Bristol in his final season when he was pretty washed-up, Loy Allen's poles when he did nothing in the race... No, qualifying doesn't matter much in oval racing. It DOES in road racing, however, and is an especially good measure of talent in series with knockout-style qualifying or qualifying sessions that are based on more than just one lap. I think qualifying means much MORE in NASCAR this year (in terms of evaluating talent) than it did when everyone is qualifying at the same time, except on plate tracks where it gets silly and depends on when somebody catches a lucky draft. In the past, qualifying in NASCAR was more unfair because some drivers got an advantage if they had cloud cover or whatever... Yes, some drivers have good qualifying pace and can't back it up in the race. Whenever Sato does qualify well, he maintains that pace in the race for a while but usually loses it because he's beat out of the pits by a more well-funded team and struggles in traffic. But when he is out there by himself, he's certainly a threat for victory. He's also had a lot of mechanical problems (usually not his fault, although maybe he is a mismatch for Foyt since he is driving his equipment too hard for a team like that). Dominance is what should be considered when evaluating talent, not lucking into finishes that are generally better than how you ran all race (which RCR has been doing for AGES now, even before Earnhardt's death...) When you're evaluating talent, how somebody is consistently running matters more than how they finish, ESPECIALLY if somebody is driving for a less well-funded team. If you want to criticize somebody like Kyle Busch who is on a well-funded team and seems to fade late, it's more reasonable since his errors are more often self-induced rather than mechanical issues, but criticizing somebody for not getting the finishes because they're trying to get the most out of their equipment while hyping drivers like RCR drivers who seem to not take any chances at all and theoretically have faster cars than what they are doing with them, that just goes against everything I believe about racing, but it will never change as long as mid-pack finishes are rewarded SO MUCH MORE than DNFs in NASCAR. 960. Sean posted: 07.10.2014 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "ABout larry hedrick not being good,they were not GREAT,but they were decent and much better than the low budget teams today." And I don't really think that's true. I think they were about as far off the pace of the leading teams (on average) as teams like Furniture Row/Front Row/etc... are today, but it's just that in that period 25th-place cars could be occasionally competitive hitting the setup now and then (as all teams in general were more inconsistent...top teams missed the setup somewhat more than they do now too), which is basically impossible now since they are outspent to a far greater degree now than they were then when even teams like that had full-season sponsorship. Additionally, some drivers like Ricky Craven or Steve Grissom could carry their cars and I think while the driving talent in the top half of the field has remained pretty steady, the driving talent in the bottom half of the field has PLUMMETED as there just aren't as many good prospects out there (the current state of Nationwide/trucks/ARCA is pretty sad...) 961. Cornys posted: 07.10.2014 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well actually, I guess NASCAR could take money from the tracks and give it to the teams, but would create another set of major problems in and of itself." This will never happen. I've speculated that NA$CAR would go the other direction. NA$CAR is heavily invested in ISCA and TRK (SMI) stock (companies). Giving these tracks more money from the TV deal would only give NASCAR more money. That's why the % for the tracks has been historically low. It gives NASCAR the chance to raise profits for these companies and bank the bigger gains that occur with those companies stocks that they have invested. 962. 23andJoe posted: 07.10.2014 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) >Apparently Clay Rodgers in the #75 was a late entrant to the cup race at New Hampshire, but then immediately withdrew. Wait, what? #75 Beard Oil Chevrolet, owner Mark Beard, crew chief Darren Shaw. ...huh. 963. DB1995 posted: 07.11.2014 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) everyone should watch Kimi Raikonen races lawn mowers on youtube 964. Zackary Shawn posted: 07.11.2014 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is a decent possibility that this weekend's race at New Hampshire may very well be the last race TNT ever broadcasts. 965. Canadianfan posted: 07.11.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It will be Zach at least until the end of 2022 when FOX's current contract ends. NBC is thru till the end of 2024. After that if they are interested in coming back like NBC is next year then that will be the time they can do so. 966. numbah10hatah posted: 07.11.2014 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JJ Yeley in the #44 Withdrew Mike Bliss in the #93 Entered Timmy Hill now in the #87 (Joe Nemechek is in Iowa helping John Hunter) 967. David posted: 07.11.2014 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @965: Fox signed an extension to their dealafter NBC came on board. Both contracts run through 2024 now. 968. Canadianfan posted: 07.11.2014 - 1:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks David that makes a lot of sense I completely missed that on the Wikipedia entry. 969. dennyfan11 posted: 07.11.2014 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @957,i meant very few or no top 10s,not none. 970. startandparkfan posted: 07.11.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Disagreed! The folowing drivers have got very few or no good runs so far. Ryan Briscoe Tony Kanaan James Hinchcliffe Mikhael Aleshin Justin Wilson Jack Hawksworth Carlos Huertas Josef Newgarden Graham Rahal Sebastien Savvedra Takuma Sato." "again,this is about FINISHING poisiton." You have to look at how many of these drivers either crashed or had mechanical problems. Rahal, Newgarden, Hawksworth, and Saavedra had the potential to do well in at least one race this year. 971. NicoRosbergFan posted: 07.11.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Disagreed! The folowing drivers have got very few or no good runs so far. Ryan Briscoe- Most overrated driver in both NASCAR and IndyCar Tony Kanaan- watch Pocono? No? James Hinchcliffe- Houston 1? Mikhael Aleshin- Houston 2? Justin Wilson- Houston 1? Jack Hawksworth- Indy GP Carlos Huertas- won Houston 1 Josef Newgarden- boo! Graham Rahal- on podium run in both Houstons Sebastien Savvedra- Barber? He was the fastest car in the race, but his team f'd up the strategy Takuma Sato- St. Pete? 972. dennyfan11 posted: 07.11.2014 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's 1 good run. the key word is very few OR none. 973. Anonymous posted: 07.12.2014 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) "That's 1 good run. the key word is very few OR none. " You're just an insufferable sh!thead grasping at straws to bash IndyCar when you can't. 974. Scott B posted: 07.17.2014 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Prior to this, the last time the #43 won in this series with Ford as the manufacturer was 1969. 975. JasonB72 posted: 08.08.2014 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kurt Busch actually earned 43 points in this race, not 33 like the site says. 976. World71R posted: 11.15.2014 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #406, you're awesome, you f**king called the Chase 4 months prior to its conclusion. :D 977. Truexfan78 posted: 01.27.2016 - 8:53 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well this is sad news here. RIP Barney Hall 978. RaceFanX posted: 01.27.2016 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) R.I.P. Barney Hall, a legend in the booth. Here is wishing his family the best in this trying time. (Barney passed away a day before this post) 979. RaceFanX posted: 01.27.2016 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Vickers' top-5 here was his last top-5 driving for Michael Waltrip Racing. 980. Truexfan78 posted: 03.04.2016 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) With the types of underdogs left, I would die to see this race continue however still happy that the 43 won this race 30 years to the day petty won his 200th 981. Rob posted: 11.21.2016 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't tell if it's already been posted, but this was the last race for legendary broadcaster Barney Hall. He was supposed to call the finish, but the race ended unexpectedly with the rain. RIP Barney . 982. Ak47 posted: 06.24.2017 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This would've been an awesome race if it had finished, only 20 cars left in contention would've made for an interesting last 50 laps. Nonetheless, good finishes for a lot of drivers and great day for Almirola and the King. 983. JeffGordon24FanForever posted: 06.24.2017 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @982 They called this race too early IMO, they could have finished that night, guess NASCAR was sick of fighting the rain. The underdogs ruled this race. 984. Mr.Victory posted: 03.07.2018 - 9:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cars involved lap 20 wreck: 4, 17, 20, 9, 48, 21, 14, 2, 99, 10, 42, 95, 24, 88, 16, 66, 47 Involved. 985. Sandy posted: 05.28.2020 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last time both the Labonte Brothers competed against each other 986. Indycar1 posted: 07.31.2020 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The lap 7-12 caution had a red flag of 26 minutes The lap 99-104 caution had a red flag of 5 minutes 987. Rich posted: 12.06.2020 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adam Alexander, Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty were the commentators. Chris Neville, Matt Yocum, Marty Snider and Ralph Sheheen were the pit road reporters. Larry McReynolds was the in-race analyst. Lindsay Czarniak was the studio host. 988. Rich posted: 12.08.2020 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adam Alexander, Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty were the commentators. Matt Yocum, Marty Snider, Ralph Sheheen and Chris Neville were the pit road reporters. Larry McReynolds was the in-race analyst. Lindsay Czarniak was the studio host. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: