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  1.   Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted:
  08.15.2014 - 5:52 pm
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Wow nice job webmaster! the qualifying broadcast isn't even over yet and
the results are ready up! :)


  2.   murb posted:
  08.15.2014 - 5:53 pm
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76th career pole for Gordon.

Gonna be an interesting race. The Fords have been blistering all
weekend, and other cars like the 48 and the Toyotas have been complete
garbage all weekend.


  3.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 5:54 pm
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Gordon takes his second straight pole with the fastest pole speed in
track history.


  4.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.15.2014 - 5:54 pm
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Go Gordon!!!!!!!!!


  5.   David posted:
  08.15.2014 - 6:00 pm
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Despite running in a SHR car, Jeff Burton could only manage 27th.


  6.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 6:00 pm
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Jeff Gordon's pole speed of 206.558 MPH is the fastest pole speed in
NASCAR history by someone other than Bill Elliott, and is within 6.5 MPH
of Elliott's NASCAR record of 212.809 MPH set on May 1, 1987 at
Talladega, two days prior to Bobby Allison's crash at that year's
Winston 500. I don't know how the race will unfold Sunday, except for
the fact that they're going far too fast. Frankly, I hope Gordon's
record pole speed, like those that Bill Elliott set at Daytona and
Talladega in 1987, stands in perpetuity, because these cars need to be
significantly slowed down, and I'm afraid that something terrible is
eventually going to happen if they aren't slowed down. Exactly what, I
don't know and hope to never find out. Let's just hope that whatever
NASCAR's planning to do after the race helps that along, because it
can't be too soon, both for the competition side of it, and the safety
side of it, because these are, in my mind, borderline unsafe speeds for
these cars and for that track.


  7.   DH101 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 6:01 pm
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Johnson 30th. I approve.


  8.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 6:06 pm
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That should be no surprise, David. first of all, even when he was among
the elite drivers in the sport, Jeff Burton was a poor qualifier. Then
add to that the fact that he's been in only two races this year (Las
Vegas and Loudon), and that he was slowing down at RCR as it was, and
Burton's run should not surprise anyone.

And by the way, to add to post #6, 32 of the 43 cars qualified at over
20 MPH for this race, including some of the "dog" cars at the back. Even
two of the BK Racing cars, the #23 of Alex Bowman and the #83 of Ryan
Truex, almost always among the slowest cars in the field, qualified at
over 200 for this race. And four more qualified at over 199 MPH,
including the third BK Racing car of Cole Whitt.


  9.   someone posted:
  08.15.2014 - 6:13 pm
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All Roush cars in the top 15?!?


  10.   Kenny posted:
  08.15.2014 - 6:23 pm
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Jr 25th wtf? He was 6th fastest in practice what gives?

@Racefanx come to IM please :)


  11.   murb posted:
  08.15.2014 - 6:27 pm
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"even when he was among the elite drivers in the sport, Jeff Burton was
a poor qualifier."

Yeah, that's true. In his 20 full time seasons, he only won 6 career poles.


  12.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.15.2014 - 7:07 pm
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"Jeff Gordon's pole speed of 206.558 MPH is the fastest pole speed in
NASCAR history by someone other than Bill Elliott"

They are going scary fast. Gordon's pole run is 3 SECONDS faster than
Biffle's pole time in this race in 2011 and even the slowest qualifier
today(Cassill)
bested the 2011 pole by 3/4 second.

"Johnson 30th. I approve."

Too bad it's August and the 48 team is in R&D mode.


  13.   joey2448 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 7:11 pm
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Ryan Blaney qualified the Wood Bros. 21 Ford, but Trevor Bayne -- who is
in Lexington, Ohio, for the Nationwide race on Saturday -- will race the
car on Sunday.

Matt Crafton practiced and qualified Martin Truex Jr's 78 Chevy due to
Truex taking time off to support his girlfriend, Sherry Pollex, who was
recently diagnosed with cancer. Truex still plans to race Sunday.

Roush Fords look to be back up to speed, at least for this one weekend.

Justin Allgaier has consistently been able qualify/run in the top 20 for
a few weeks in a row. He's making a case for a bigger team to snatch him up.

Joey Logano has made it to the final round of knockout qualifying in 19
of the 21 races that have gone all three qualifying sessions this year!
The only races he didn't? Talladega in May and Daytona in July.


  14.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 7:42 pm
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I didn't watch the qualifying session, Kenny, but given that there were
three qualifying runs, could it be that some of he guy that are usually
very good were sandbagging in qualifying so they wouldn't have to run
extra qualifying sessions, and thus put extra strain on their engines? I
know the race is just 400 miles, but I have to wonder if some of the
teams weren't sacrificing a good starting position at a track where you
can easily move up through the field, and where the pit stalls are a
little more forgiving, but where the engines are strained to the limit,
just so they can save a little wear and tear on their engines. Remember
that Jimmie Johnson had this very race in the bag not too many years ago
and blew up with five laps remaining, handing the race to Greg Biffle.

Trust, me, I believe some of these teams are sandbagging so they don't
have to run their engines so hard. Jimmie Johnson practicing and
qualifying so poorly may be intentional, as might be the case with Dale,
Jr.'s qualifying run, simply because they may want to save their engines
for when it counts. Remember that since each of them qualified so
poorly, they only made one qualifying run, while those that qualified in
the top 12 had to make three qualifying runs. And as much as the engines
are being abused at Michigan, that could end up being a factor on
Sunday. And the 48 and 88 teams might have coordinated such a plan. If
they both run up to the front on Sunday, then it might very well have
been a case of sandbagging on their part to reduce miles on their engine
under the most demanding of conditions.


  15.   Eric posted:
  08.15.2014 - 7:49 pm
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David,

Jeff Burton only 27th isn't a shock.

Jeff Burton is way passed his prime at this point of Cup career besides
being a well known bad qualifier even at his peak aka 1997-2000 although
he had 4 poles in 2006. Burton had good seasons after 2000, but his
seasons were 1997 to 2000 time frame and is where you judge Jeff's
qualifying skills.

The other thing to look at is Jeff Burton in his prime actually was a
weaker version of Matt Kenseth. Matt Kenseth was a poor qualifier at
Roush like Jeff Burton was, but those two were great on race day. The
only difference was Matt was good at bigger variety of tracks.


  16.   Feetduck posted:
  08.15.2014 - 7:49 pm
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They could also get into a early crash


  17.   Eric posted:
  08.15.2014 - 8:01 pm
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cjs3872,

You are making too much of a big deal of the speed based the rule
changes NASCAR has for Next year that will be tested.

NASCAR matter of fact on Monday in testing two different packages for
the 2015 season at Michigan according to Jayski.

One the rule changes actually involves cutting back on engine horse
power down to 800 horsepower or 750 horsepower from the 850 horsepower
the cup teams use now.


  18.   epzik8 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 8:08 pm
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Another pole for Jeff Gordon (yay!) but his teammates are a lot further
back.


  19.   DB1995 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 8:17 pm
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Ambrose finishes 5th in this race, look at the past 2 years he always
performs well after the Glen even if its just the next 2 races


  20.   DB1995 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 8:34 pm
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The 14 only qualified 26th with Stewart in June


  21.   Daniel posted:
  08.15.2014 - 8:54 pm
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Go Gordon!


  22.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 9:04 pm
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Eric, those changes could make a big difference in the speeds at
Michigan, because of the long straightaways, especially if 50-100 HP is
being taken away. Even if they can run them wide open, if you took that
much horsepower away, it could reduce the speeds by 10-15 MPH because
they wouldn't be going that fast to begin with. On shorter tracks, it
wouldn't make that much of a difference, but on the bigger tracks, such
a change would make a sizeable difference in the speeds, simply because
top speed would be reduced, which in turn would slow down overall speeds.

What I'm saying is that they're going so fast at Michigan that it's not
just a competition factor, with the cars not being able to stay close
together, but it's now a potential problem in regards to safety with
them going so fast. If something happens entering a turn at 210-215 MPH,
the results could be devastating, even with the advances in the safety
of the cars that we've seen over the past 10-15 years. Heavy crashes are
a worry, of course, but so is the possibility of them going airborne
because of the speeds, and the fencing is not as fortified at Michigan
as it is at Daytona and Talladega, where cars getting airborne is a
constant danger.


  23.   Eric posted:
  08.15.2014 - 9:24 pm
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DB1995,

Tony Stewart isn't exactly know to qualify well at Michigan based on his
starting Average spot in his cup career at Michigan is 19.4, but his
average finish is 11.7 at Michigan. This is a big stat because JGR did
build good horsepower when Tony was there and HMS almost from the
beginning is known for horsepower also. I also mention JGR because Bobby
Labonte usually qualified well at Michigan when he was JGR.

That means you shouldn't point at the car, but more on the drivers along
with Stewart wasn't exactly know qualify great at Michigan even before
his broken leg. The fact is Jeff Burton never was known for his
qualifying outside of his 2006 season and Stewart isn't exactly known to
be a great qualifier at Michigan either in his cup career.

The other thing is Stewart is not known for qualifying despite having 15
career poles and a 15.3 career starting average in his cup career.





  24.   ii posted:
  08.15.2014 - 9:26 pm
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"And by the way, to add to post #6, 32 of the 43 cars qualified at over
20 MPH for this race, including some of the "dog" cars at the back."

Not to be a smartass, but...I'm pretty sure they all qualified over 20
MPH :)


  25.   Jim Davis posted:
  08.15.2014 - 9:30 pm
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"Eric, those changes could make a big difference in the speeds at
Michigan, because of the long straightaways, especially if 50-100 HP is
being taken away. Even if they can run them wide open, if you took that
much horsepower away, it could reduce the speeds by 10-15 MPH because
they wouldn't be going that fast to begin with."

50-100 HP won't reduce speeds by 10-15 mph. The Nationwide cars are down
200 HP compared to the Sprint Cup cars and they typically run within
10-15 mph of them.


  26.   ii posted:
  08.15.2014 - 9:35 pm
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Another thing I noticed...

Jimmie Johnson, starting 30th, has the best odds of winning the race.
Johnson's only won once here, and that was earlier this year. On the
other hand, both RPM cars and Ricky Stenhouse have the same odds of
winning as Danica Patrick, and Edwards and Biffle both have only a 30-1
odds of winning, even though typically Ford engines are strong at Michigan.

What I have to say about that: Screw you Las Vegas.


  27.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.15.2014 - 10:00 pm
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Obviously ii, that was supposed to be 200 MPH. 32 cars qualified for
this race at over 200 MPH.

And Jim, let's not forget that the Nationwide Series cars have more
downforce than the Cup cars do, and that, combined with the fact that
they have less horsepower, allows them to run wide open all the way
around most of the bigger tracks (even the 1.5 mile tracks), meaning
that although they don't go quite as fast in a straight line, they can
go just as fast in the corners as the Cup cars do, which allows them to
run overall faster lap times than the top speeds would normally allow
them to run.


  28.   23andJoe posted:
  08.15.2014 - 10:38 pm
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Cjs, I'm sorry to say this, but you are far, far, far past the 'boy who
cried wolf' threshold with these predictions of disaster.


  29.   Sarf52 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 12:25 am
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I had a prophetic dream Tuesday night that A.J. Allmendinger won this
weekend's race, making him an underdog winner on back to back weeks.
Here's to hoping it comes true!


  30.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 12:43 am
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I sincerely hope I'm wrong, 23andJoe. But history say that, at some
point, something's going to happen, and it's going to be BIG. When you
have cars that are designed to be going that fast, and going too fast
for the tires they're running on, not to mention the higher center of
gravity that the NASCAR cars have, it's a recipe for disaster. It's not
a matter of when something's going to happen, but when. I hope it's not
any time soon, but history tells us that something's going to happen,
and it's happened before in NASCAR, as well as IndyCar racing when cars
have gotten too fast.

A number of the NASCAR disasters in 1964 was a product of the cars going
much faster than the tires of the time would allow, and when a similar
thing was happening in 1969 and 1970, the drivers knew what was about to
happen, so they took action to stop it from happening. In 1969, almost
all of the drivers boycotted the first Talladega race because the tires
couldn't handle the high speeds, and in 1970, several months after the
tragic crash that took the life of Talmadge Prince in a qualifying race
at Daytona, it was at the drivers' behest that NASCAR introduced
restrictor plates, because they knew something was going to happen if
nothing was done.

The tragic events of the 1973 Indianapolis 500 was another disaster that
could have been foreseen, and for the same reason. The speeds got way
too high too quickly, and nobody was prepared for it. Due to increased
technology, the speeds increased more than 25 MPH from 1970-'72, and
everything came to a head at Indy in 1973. In 1982, history repeated
itself when Gordon Smiley had his fatal crash in almost the exact same
spot where Danny Ongais crashed the previous year. And in that case, the
cars had increased in speed 10-15 MPH in just two years, and again, the
competitors weren't ready for it.

And Bobby Allison's disastrous crash at Talladega in 1987 was another
near-disaster that could have been foreseen. In the years leading up to
1987, not only had the speeds increased, but so had the number of
horrendous crashes where cars got airborne at Daytona and Talladega.
What happened with Allison was simply the climax to the series of bad
crashes due to the ultra-high speeds.

Now fortunately, we haven't yet seen anything bad happen at the tracks
where we've seen these ridiculous speeds in NASCAR the last couple of
years, but if history's an indicator, something big is going to happen
if nothing's done about the high speeds. Now we know something is about
to be done about it, but the question is, will it be enough? I hope it
never comes down to that, but with the ultra-high speeds, tires that
have proven that they have trouble holding up to the strain of the high
speeds, and cars with a higher center of gravity, if something does
happen, it could be very bad. Let's just hope we never find out what
would happen in such a situation again.


  31.   Jim Davis posted:
  08.16.2014 - 12:51 am
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"Jimmie Johnson, starting 30th, has the best odds of winning the race.
Johnson's only won once here, and that was earlier this year. On the
other hand, both RPM cars and Ricky Stenhouse have the same odds of
winning as Danica Patrick, and Edwards and Biffle both have only a 30-1
odds of winning, even though typically Ford engines are strong at Michigan."

I guess this has to be said yet again. Betting odds are set purely by
betting action, not by any racing expertise. Johnson has the best odds
because a lot of people bet on him, driving his odds down. If Milka Duno
was entered in this race and millions of patriotic Venezuelans were
betting heavily on her, her odds would be good as well. Casinos want the
betting action to be spread evenly so that no matter who wins the race,
they make money. The betting odds in no way reflect the opinions of
experts about who is likely to win the race.


  32.   ii posted:
  08.16.2014 - 12:53 am
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I understand that Jim, that's why I said "Screw you Las Vegas"


  33.   Anonymous posted:
  08.16.2014 - 6:49 am
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"I understand that Jim, that's why I said "Screw you Las Vegas" "

Don't acknowledge him. He just sits here to berate people.


  34.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.16.2014 - 8:43 am
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Erm, he explained the matter without any insults or arrogancy.
What is the point of trying to lessen his opinion, in a cowardly manner,
as "anonymous"? At least man up and use your forum name to insult.


  35.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.16.2014 - 9:09 am
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I have a feeling someone who has not yet won this year will win this
race and punch his ticket to The Chase. Most likely possibilities, IMO:
Greg Biffle, Clint Bowyer, Kasey Kahne, or Matt Kenseth.


  36.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  08.16.2014 - 9:35 am
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I have checked the Facebook pages for Tony's 2 main sponsors and they
are getting heat and "boycotts" also, so it wasn't just Tony getting the
attacks, it was his sponsors too.

And at these speeds, I fear for what could happen. The speeds these guys
are getting to is Indycar and F1 territory. That is something to think
about.


  37.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.16.2014 - 9:48 am
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"I have checked the Facebook pages for Tony's 2 main sponsors and they
are getting heat and "boycotts" also, so it wasn't just Tony getting the
attacks, it was his sponsors too."

I wonder how many of these people "boycotting" (one of the most misused
word in the English language, I bet) Bass Pro Shops and Mobil 1 actually
shop at Bass Pro Shops or use Exxon/Mobil products anyway. If they don't
spend money on these places and/or products, then it's not a true
boycott anyway since these businesses can't miss money that was never
being spent on them in the first place.


  38.   Anonymous posted:
  08.16.2014 - 9:50 am
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Ryan Truex crashed heavily in second practice, being evaluated at a
local hospital. His car's unrecognisable.


  39.   ii posted:
  08.16.2014 - 10:13 am
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Wow, rough weekend for the Truex family. Hope Ryan's OK (he did walk
away from the car though, that's a good sign), and best of luck to
Martin and his girlfriend on a speedy recovery.


  40.   Anonymous posted:
  08.16.2014 - 10:17 am
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I know this has nothing to do with Michigan but can someone please
explain to me how come the Truck series doesn't shift at Pocono like the
Cup series.


  41.   ii posted:
  08.16.2014 - 10:36 am
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The trucks aren't as fast as Cup cars at Pocono...meaning they can have
shorter gear ratios, so they don't have to shift gears.


  42.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.16.2014 - 11:09 am
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"I wonder how many of these people "boycotting" (one of the most misused
word in the English language, I bet) Bass Pro Shops and Mobil 1 actually
shop at Bass Pro Shops or use Exxon/Mobil products anyway. If they don't
spend money on these places and/or products, then it's not a true
boycott anyway since these businesses can't miss money that was never
being spent on them in the first place"

Exactly, people love to jump on a bandwagon. Its much easier to fight
for a fake cause than perhaps supporting Kevin Ward's family or causes
that he supported.

I wouldn't worry too much about Bass Pro, their CEO seems to understand
racing more than other execs of major companies that partner with NASCAR.


  43.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.16.2014 - 11:12 am
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Matt Crafton was seen inspecting the inside of the #83 Toyota, so I
suspect he might fill in for Ryan Truex during practice, the race, or both.


  44.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.16.2014 - 11:14 am
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^If that ends up happening, he will have filled in for both Truex
brothers this weekend.


  45.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.16.2014 - 11:18 am
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Johnny Sauter is also an option, per ESPN.


  46.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.16.2014 - 11:58 am
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"One the rule changes actually involves cutting back on engine horse
power down to 800 horsepower or 750 horsepower from the 850 horsepower
the cup teams use now."

If that is all they are taking away, then i'm currently laughing my ass
off. That will not do a damn thing.

The other changes that they are concidering is a bigger spoiler (why?)
and letting drivers adjust track bars in the cockpit.

I completely disagree with the bigger spoiler but i'm 100% ok with the
drivers adjusting things in the cars. Other racing series do it, so i'm
ok with it. But then again you'll have your tin-foil hat crowd yelling
"it'll be cheated up!" Far as i see it, more work they have too do the
better.


  47.   Mr X posted:
  08.16.2014 - 12:44 pm
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The trucks don't change gears because the speed difference between the
middle of the corner and the speed at the end of the straight is much
smaller. The downforce levels and corner speeds are similar, but the
trucks have much more drag and less power. The gear ratios aren't really
any lower because you have to remember that while the cup cars are
turning nearly 10000rpm, the trucks and nationwide cars are only turning
up to about 8500rpm, and of course all three series use the same size
tires and wheels. It's just like riding say a 10 speed bicycle, you can
only pedal so fast, you have a certain diameter tire, with the chain on
the smallest diameter sprocket in the front, and the largest diameter
sprocket in the rear the bike is in its lowest gear. If the front
sprocket has 25 teeth and the rear sprocket has 25 teeth, the ratio is
1:1, one full revolution of the pedals is one revolution of the wheels.
On the larger sprocket in the front(40 teeth), and the smallest sprocket
in the rear(10 teeth) one full revolution of the pedals is four
revolutions of the wheel. The ratio is 0.25:1. Pedalling as fast as you
can you'll be going four times faster with 0.25:1 ratio. The cup seies
engines can for lack of a better word pedal faster.


  48.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.16.2014 - 1:01 pm
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"Tony's 2 main sponsors and they are getting heat and "boycotts" also,
so it wasn't just Tony getting the attacks, it was his sponsors too."

Lol, good luck to those dumbasses trying to boycott one of the world's
biggest companies, ExxonMobil.


  49.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.16.2014 - 1:01 pm
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With the speeds the cars are approaching, do you think Restrictor Plates
at Michigan is a possibility in the future?


  50.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 1:13 pm
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I'm surprised ESPN didn't publish the Stewart-retirement-hoax on their
site as a real headline.


  51.   Eric posted:
  08.16.2014 - 1:24 pm
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@49,

Restrictor Plates is a possibility in the future, but it would be
several decades away.

I am saying this because NASCAR is slowing the cars down next year
without restrictor plates. The speeds going up in the future at Michigan
is when the track gets repaved once or twice more.


  52.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.16.2014 - 2:07 pm
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Lee Spencer is reporting that JJ Yeley will drive the 83 tomorrow.


  53.   23andJoe posted:
  08.16.2014 - 2:28 pm
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While during the Truck Series race it was said Johnny Sauter will.


  54.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.16.2014 - 2:31 pm
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Sauter seems more likely for me, based on the fact that he has driven
for BK earlier this year and is available at the track.


  55.   Cornys posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:04 pm
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I agree with cjs3872 for the most part, but I don't think 50-100 HP will
reduce top speeds any more than 10 MPH (which currently would be okay).

I see more downforce options on the table including dive planes (think
two or three tiny splitters mounted on each side just below where the
head lights would be), more spoiler height, and different rear-end
gears. NASCAR reluctantly is going to test a low downforce option
(evidently on driver demand), but I don't feel like they will be open to
that idea when everything they are doing is going the other direction.

Three three power levels also will be tested.

I feel that more downforce and drag coupled with less power (100HP less
at least) would produce much better racing at wide tracks with high
speeds (Michigan, Fontana) and further damage racing at intermediate
tracks and larger that are not wide or singe lane (Charlotte,
Darlington, Indianapolis, ect.) Short tracks would also be damaged with
increased drag and downforce (Bristol, Richmond). Martinsville would
likely not be effected due to low corner speeds. However, if the
horsepower drop was significant enough it may make the track more
difficult to pass on. This could make it less exciting (or not depending
on certain factors).

A low downforce option with lesser power would greatly lower average and
top speeds and would improve racing at short tracks most notably.
Michigan and Fontana would see worse racing, but almost all other tracks
would experience better racing.

The best thing that could happen (as I've been saying for a long time)
would be a small power drop (75-50 HP), a great reduction of downforce
(none if possible), and as great an increase in drag as is possible.


  56.   joey2448 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:06 pm
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"And at these speeds, I fear for what could happen. The speeds these
guys are getting to is Indycar and F1 territory. That is something to
think about."

Actually F1 cars don't even get that high, partially because there's not
a lot of opportunities to get going that fast on a road course, which is
all they driver, but the top end speed on a NASCAR stock car and a
formula car isn't much different (although I do wonder how an F1 machine
would compare with an IndyCar machine at Indianapolis? On the oval
layout obviously). The biggest difference in lap times comes in
acceleration and deceleration, as well as cornering. F1 cars are
wickedly fast in that department.


  57.   cjs3872 posted:
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@49 and @51, I think it could very well be a possibility. Let's not
forget that the very first race run with restrictor plates was at
Michigan in 1970, which was won by Charlie Glotzbach.

And the crash that Ryan Truex had is sort of thing I'm worried about
with the cars running these speeds, because the cars run in NASCAR are
not supposed to be running those kinds of speeds. These cars are
designed to run up to 200 MPH, but not significantly above that, and if
Ryan's car was, in fact, unrecognizable after his crash, that could be a
warning signal to NASCAR about letting the speeds of these cars get out
of hand. It's good to hear that he walked away from it, but that could
be a warning of what is capable of happening should something go wrong
at these speeds.

And 1995 Subaru, I think NASCAR letting the drivers adjust the cars from
inside the car is a terrible idea. Part of what separates the drivers in
NASCAR apart from drivers from the other major disciplines of the sport
is that they have to drive ill-handling cars, and do so for a life of a
fuel run, up to 80 miles (and it used to be 100 miles). To me, that's
harder work than allowing them to adjust during a fuel run, and more
penal to them if they happen to call for the wrong adjustment. Allowing
them to adjust the brakes is as much a safety measure as it is a
competition measure, but that's as far as is should be when it comes to
drivers making adjustments from inside the car. And often times, if a
driver adjusts the line he's running (which he can certainly do this
week, with all the options Michigan gives a driver), he can actually run
faster or slower. But they should not ever allow the drivers to adjust
the chassis settings from inside the car. That's what the pit crews are
paid to do during pit stops, and if the driver calls for a wrong
adjustment, then that's the driver's fault, and he should have to live
with it until either the next pit stop, or the end of the race if there
are no more pit stops to go until the race ends.


  58.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:17 pm
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"Ryan's car was, in fact, unrecognizable after his crash"
Anyone who posted it exaggerated a lot. It was a hard, head-on hit, but
it looked nowhere near as bad as Gilliland's Kansas wreck.


  59.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:32 pm
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"The tragic events of the 1973 Indianapolis 500...."

THERE IT IS! Cjs, I missed you in an odd way that one misses that weird
uncle that comes to the big family gatherings. I swear I mean that in
the most complimentary way possible.


  60.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:34 pm
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In the broadcast of the 1992 Daytona 500, Neil Bonnett makes a very
direct point about the fact that you have to have downforce to be able
to drive the cars. He went as far as to say that you could not hardly
even drive the cars with no downforce. So you have to have downforce for
the cars to be able to race. And if they take too much downforce away,
they'd actually create lift, meaning that the wheels are off the ground.

And while everyone talks about the need to take away downforce from
these cars, NASCAR actually tried that in 1998, and the result was one
of the worst years of competition in the modern history of the sport.
Does the term "5 and 5 rule" ring a bell? Only when they added downforce
for the finale after the championship had been clinched did a
competitive race break out. So I don't think taking downforce away is
the answer, though I think they could do it in certain areas without
affecting the racing, and the first place to go is the side skirts, and
I'd eliminate them, except for the tracks where the highest speeds are
achieved. I think NASCAR is aware that if they take too much downforce
away, especially at the speeds that are currently being run, that the
cars would become undriveable. That's why I think NASCAR's looking at
slowing the cars down first, and then possibly looking at ways to take
downforce away, while not harming the overall competition.

Another thing they can do is to undo the rule change regarding the
minimum ride height, because that's resulted in the teams running the
cars much lower to the ground than they ever have before, and set the
minimum ride height at four inches off the ground. I also think they
should look at doing away with the bump stops, because that limits
suspension travel, and the above factors have resulted in the tires
becoming the springs of the car. After all, if they legislated out bump
stops in 2001, what makes it such a good idea to have them now?


  61.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:43 pm
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How did the Ryan Truex accident happen???


  62.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:44 pm
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#FireRyanTruex


  63.   Cornys posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:45 pm
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"Actually F1 cars don't even get that high, partially because there's
not a lot of opportunities to get going that fast on a road course,
which is all they driver, but the top end speed on a NASCAR stock car
and a formula car isn't much different (although I do wonder how an F1
machine would compare with an IndyCar machine at Indianapolis? On the
oval layout obviously). The biggest difference in lap times comes in
acceleration and deceleration, as well as cornering. F1 cars are
wickedly fast in that department."

Formula 1 cars typically reach terminal velocity at around 310km/h
(192.6 MPH) without DRS. This I've seen primarily at CoTA on the .62
mile long back straight. With DRS that terminal velocity is greater, but
still only about 325 km/h (202 MPH)

IndyCar at Pocono was blistering, but IndyCar doesn't seem to mind the
high speeds. Likely, this is due to relative spectator safety due to
lighter cars. I'm not sure that drivers are terribly safe, however it is
a spectacle and I enjoyed watching that event greatly. (500 miles and
only 1 caution for a spin that did not result in any contact). The
drivers understand the risks, and this is how I feel about that.
Spectators should NEVER be in danger of their lives or injury.


  64.   epzik8 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 3:53 pm
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Not a good weekend for the Truex brothers.


  65.   David posted:
  08.16.2014 - 4:14 pm
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"#FireRyanTruex"

The timing of that would be pretty poor, seeing as how he has a concussion.


  66.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.16.2014 - 4:40 pm
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"How did the Ryan Truex accident happen??? "
The rear end started to get away from him, he overcorrected and slammed
head-on into the wall. Looked a lot like when your favorite driver tried
to wreck Cassill and headbutted the wall instead.


  67.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.16.2014 - 5:59 pm
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WnmO: Oh shut up. :P

BK Racing is gonna run out of cars pretty soon...


  68.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 6:05 pm
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@66, that sounds a lot like the Michael McDowell crash in qualifying at
Texas a few years ago, or even the crashes that Danny Ongais and Gordon
Smiley had at Indy in the early 80s, because that's what happened in
those crashes. their cars got loose, they overcorrected, and slammed the
wall head-on. If that is indeed what happened to Ryan Truex, he should
thank his lucky stars that all he got was a concussion, because that
could have ended up far, far worse. Remember that, as early in the
weekend as it is, they probably hadn't yet started running a higher
groove, which likely would have meant a longer run-up to the wall and a
harder hit.

And also, let's not forget that the reason the F1 cars don't reach the
speeds they're capable of is because they race on road courses. If they
raced on a 2-mile oval, those cars could easily reach 240-250 MPH with
the horsepower those engines can produce. In fact, during "Trading
Paint" in 2003, Steve Matchett even wondered what a F1 car would do if
it did race on an oval track. and we know sports cars are at least a
match for IndyCars when it comes to speed, because they're actually more
aerodynamic than an IndyCar is, simply because of the enclosed cockpit.
So it stands to reason that a sports car with an enclosed cockpit is the
fastest car in American circuit track racing.


  69.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 6:48 pm
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^That study has been considered. Due to the high speeds and downforce
settings, an F1 car would just spin out on an oval.


  70.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.16.2014 - 6:56 pm
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I want to go on record as saying that from here out I want to be on
DSFF's mortal enemies list right next to Tony Stewart and Ricky Rudd. I
might get into arguments with all sorts of people or all sorts of
things, but, when you deny the laws of physics and say you're smarter
than Newton or Planck, you're saying you're the stupidest person who has
ever lived.


  71.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.16.2014 - 7:35 pm
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Ricky Rudd isn't on my mortal enemies list.


  72.   23andJoe posted:
  08.16.2014 - 9:56 pm
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Also, it's confirmed that J.J. Yeley will be subbing for Ryan Truex.


  73.   Anonymous posted:
  08.16.2014 - 11:21 pm
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Is Tony Stewart out for the rest of the season or not? This is a serious
question because I have heard he is but I really don't know.


  74.   Scott B posted:
  08.16.2014 - 11:38 pm
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There is nothing official about Stewart's status for the rest of the
season. People are just guessing at this ooint.


  75.   Run The Boot posted:
  08.17.2014 - 12:19 am
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Run the Boot


  76.   Mr X posted:
  08.17.2014 - 12:26 am
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The speeds in F1 were routinely reaching 220mph at Monza towards the
later stages of the V10 days. The speeds during the height of the turbo
days weren't far off. Speeds down the Mulsanne straight were approaching
250mph during the late 1980's, and the NHRA doesn't seem to upset over
the 300+mph trap speeds the top fuel cars have been reaching since 1992.
I still firmly believe that if you really want to slow the cars the
corners are the place to do it. The last thing NASCAR needs is any
restrictor plate races, or races with a similar effect via some other
means.


  77.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  08.17.2014 - 7:30 am
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Today marks the one year anniversary of FS1/FS2 and the lost of
SPEED/Fuel TV.
I have nothing to say other than the opinions you folks will surly express.


  78.   Canadianfan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:34 am
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The fallout from the FS1/FS2 deal hit us pretty hard in Canada this year
with loss of Speed which was on until March 1 for Rogers (largest TV
provider in Canada) when the contract was not renewed because of this I
have not seen Truck Race on TV since Daytona and no TUDOR since 24hrs of
Daytona. Also no qualifying or practice of any kind since Phoenix. It
has been very rough up north this year for watching NASCAR's lower
series with no end in sight. And with the CRTC (Canada's TV Regulatory
Nazi's) FS1/FS2 will never happen.


  79.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:59 am
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I miss SPEED


  80.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 9:18 am
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^Me too.
SPEED was unique. It was one of the few networks that focused on Motor
racing. Now it is just a Generic Sports network. :(


  81.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 10:54 am
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SPEED was awesome... I still remember watching the 2005 24 Hours of
Daytona and Le Mans on there... Schumi's Ferrari years... Brandon Whitt
winning at Memphis.

Good times


  82.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 10:55 am
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" 79. DaleSrFanForever posted:
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I miss SPEED "

SPEED's legacy was brutally assassinated at 8:59 PM EDT on Saturday,
August 16, 2014.


  83.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 11:02 am
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There's a part of me that hopes that NBC/Universal takes one of their
fledgling channels and turns it into NBCSN-2, and that becomes the de
facto motorsports network for extra F1, IndyCar, and NASCAR
coverage(practices, specials, some studio shows).


  84.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.17.2014 - 11:07 am
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"The speeds in F1 were routinely reaching 220mph at Monza towards the
later stages of the V10 days. The speeds during the height of the turbo
days weren't far off. Speeds down the Mulsanne straight were approaching
250mph during the late 1980's, and the NHRA doesn't seem to upset over
the 300+mph trap speeds the top fuel cars have been reaching since 1992.
I still firmly believe that if you really want to slow the cars the
corners are the place to do it. The last thing NASCAR needs is any
restrictor plate races, or races with a similar effect via some other
means."

Yep. F1 cars moved at warp speed for a time during the 80's and 90's.
With about 1200hp and a turbo charager you could do some moving. Even
with Cup cars moving faster today then ever, i do notice that as runs go
on speeds do drop off. Perhaps because Goodyear is bringing tires at
wear out, so corner speeds drop as a run goes on.


  85.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 11:10 am
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"I miss SPEED"

Me too. Since August 17, 2013 the quality of that channel has quickly
and dramatically gone downhill. For the first time in months last
weekend I actually watched FOX Sports Live to hear about the developing
Tony Stewart story, and I've never seen a show show as much disrespect
to the term "sports reporting" as that show. Why they still have Donovan
McNabb after he insulted the sport that the channel was about before
they hired him is beyond me.

I sure miss SPEED Center. NASCAR America is great except for the fact
that it's only about NASCAR. We need a racing news show that talks about
all forms of motorsports (NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, IMSA, WEC, as well as
two-wheel racing series). It was cool though when NASCAR America had a
90 minute special on Memorial Day weekend covering the Monaco GP, Indy
500, and Coke 600.


  86.   Seagal posted:
  08.17.2014 - 11:22 am
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MavTV plays a lot of Lucas Oil races and the like. They obviously don't
air any of the big races, but its nice to see the smaller, local racing
on TV.


  87.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 11:49 am
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rain might be a threat for this race.


  88.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 12:23 pm
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"rain might be a threat for this race."

Nah.


  89.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 12:26 pm
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Am I the only one who saw Alex Bowman messing with Austin Dillon's
cowboy hat in the background while Jamie Little was interviewing Greg
Biffle?


  90.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 12:37 pm
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"rain might be a threat for this race. "

I was horrified when I looked at the radar and saw so much...

lack of rain


  91.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 12:59 pm
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Something tells me that someone new is gonna win.


  92.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:00 pm
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Jeff Gordon gives me a early-ish birthday present with setting the
highest currently recorded pole speed since '87.

Truex (Ryan) ran head-first into the wall right out of Turn 2, and will
not race due to suffering a concussion(?)

Truex (Martin, Jr) is not racing because his girlfriend is diagnosed
with Cancer.

Stewart (Tony) won't qualify as he is likely still mentally dealing with
the Kevin Ward Jr incedent.

I think I'm up-to date with all the major stuff. Anyone know where I can
watch this?


  93.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:02 pm
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The forcast calls for 60% chance of showers.


  94.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:10 pm
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I don't see any rain according to the radar. Doesn't mean there couldn't
be pop-up showers later today...


  95.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:10 pm
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Seems like a lot of eyes are on Ford today.


  96.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:18 pm
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I want to see just one more first-time winner in the next four races but
there probably won't be four new winners between now and the Chase.


  97.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:21 pm
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Green flag!


  98.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:22 pm
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Newman gained a bunch of spots going to the outside on the start.


  99.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:22 pm
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Logano takes the lead away on the first lap.


  100.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:24 pm
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Kyle Busch in the wall. Caution.


  101.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:24 pm
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Kyle Busch pounds the wall.


  102.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:24 pm
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First caution as Kyle Busch slams the wall. Looks like another finish
outside the top 30 for the #18...


  103.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:26 pm
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He was driving the Interstate Batteries car which I like...


  104.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:26 pm
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"Truex (Martin, Jr) is not racing because his girlfriend is diagnosed
with Cancer."

Martin IS racing. Crafton practiced and qualified the car on Friday.


  105.   BMan0213 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:28 pm
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If Kyle and his team don't get their crap together they're not gonna
make it out of the first round of the chase lol.


  106.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:30 pm
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Harvick has a bad restart.


  107.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:33 pm
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Edwards is going backwards in a hurry.


  108.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:34 pm
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Junebug is slicing and dicing through the field.


  109.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:35 pm
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Jimmie still hasn't gotten around Landon Cassill for 34th.


  110.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:38 pm
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Competition caution.


  111.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:40 pm
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Newman does not pit.


  112.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:40 pm
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Newman stayed out, probably to get a point for leading a lap.


  113.   Cornys posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:42 pm
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Competition cautions. Things real men and women driving race cars
require...


  114.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:43 pm
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Kyle Larson has significant damage to his car after making contact with
Junior in the pits.


  115.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:44 pm
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Crash on the restart.


  116.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:44 pm
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Danica spins/gets spun and starts the "medium one".


  117.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:44 pm
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Crash on the restart. Danica spins out and collects Allgaier, Annett,
and Bayne.


  118.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:44 pm
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Patrick,Allgaier,and Annett crash. Caution.


  119.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:44 pm
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Martin Truex also has major damage, and Matt Kenseth has a flat tire.


  120.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:45 pm
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Trevor Bayne and Martin Truex Jr also involved.


  121.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:45 pm
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As is Matt Kenseth.


  122.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:45 pm
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At least Burton got by even though he got tapped by Danica.


  123.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:46 pm
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J. J. Yeley also spun behind the crash.


  124.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:47 pm
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Danicant involved in wreck.


  125.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:47 pm
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JJ Yeley was looking behind it.


  126.   Cornys posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:47 pm
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"The Medium One" I like the term :)


  127.   someone posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:48 pm
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allgaier has the worst luck ever! he was 11th in the first run.


  128.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:48 pm
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This has been a somewhat entertaining race so far. Unique for Michigan.


  129.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:49 pm
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Apparently, Kenseth had more damage than met the eye. He has gone to the
garage.


  130.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:50 pm
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Lots of nuts and bolts to pick up off the track.


  131.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:50 pm
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You're right. Kenseth will be in the garage until everything is repair.
He should be able to get back in the race, but he won't leapfrog over
Jeff Gordon in the standings today.


  132.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:51 pm
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Biffle currently running 11th.


  133.   BMan0213 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:51 pm
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Really feel bad for Truex. After everything he's gone through this week,
and then to get involved in a wreck not of his doing really just sucks.


  134.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:51 pm
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Poor Kyle Larson, running into pit road problems.


  135.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:52 pm
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Did Clint Bowyer hit Matt Kenseth? I think he did.


  136.   BMan0213 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:53 pm
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Wow rough day for Gibbs.


  137.   Bradley Thomas posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:53 pm
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Kyle Larson is 37th right now.


  138.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:54 pm
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Jeff Gordon with one of his regular dismal restarts.


  139.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:55 pm
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Johnson and Logano fighting for the lead.


  140.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:57 pm
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Jacques has arrived.


  141.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:57 pm
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It's a rematch of last Sunday, Marcos Ambrose and A.J. Allmendinger
battle for 12th.


  142.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:57 pm
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Debris caution. For an actual piece of debris-not for Jacques.


  143.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:58 pm
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It wouldn't be a Nascar race without good old Jacques.


  144.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 1:58 pm
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Someone dropped a soda can in turn 3.
Hopefully a bunch of guys stay out and Dos Jotas' plan goes for naught.


  145.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:02 pm
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I like the way Logano's car has looked so far. He was hanging right with
Jimmie on that last run even though Jimmie had clean air (which usually
means that no one can hang with the 48).


  146.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:04 pm
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Also, good to see another great run from Allmendinger.


  147.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:05 pm
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Johnson is already back up to 14th just a couple of laps after the restart.


  148.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:06 pm
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Johnson says he's having shifting problems.


  149.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:07 pm
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^Of course that only matters on restarts and pit road.


  150.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:13 pm
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Logano and Gordon split the lapped car of Yeley while battling for the
lead.


  151.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:15 pm
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Gordon finally takes the lead away from Logano and leads his first laps
of the day.


  152.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:17 pm
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I'm curious to see how this shifter issue works out for Johnson.


  153.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:20 pm
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Refresh My memory. What are the pit cycles as of now.


  154.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:20 pm
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Danica is back to 9th.


  155.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:26 pm
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Jimmie is painfully slow off pit road is tries to fix his shifter.


  156.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:27 pm
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*as he


  157.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:27 pm
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Jimmie Johnson and his team are trying to use a vice grip wrench to fix
his broken shifter.

It's not crazy, Terry Labonte did good at Martinsville with that setup
back in 1996.


  158.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:27 pm
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Yeah, that didn't work out.


  159.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:28 pm
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Ha ha ha, he's gonna go a half lap down on every restart.


  160.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:29 pm
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Did Petree just say he's never seen Gordon and his team in better form?
He must not have been alive in 1998.


  161.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:29 pm
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Jeff Burton is in the pits and backing up to head behind the wall.


  162.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:30 pm
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@159 He's already a lap down and in no position for either the
wave-around or the free pass.


  163.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:30 pm
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Jeff Burton breaks as his #14 Chevrolet develops electrical issues. He's
going behind the wall, tough luck for Burton in his Stewart-Haas Debut.


  164.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:33 pm
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Speaking of the wave-around, can I say it's one of the few changes
Nascar has made that I legitimately think is a good one?

It gives lapped cars a strategic way of making their way back on the
lead lap, and if you get trapped a lap down because of a caution you
won't get completely screwed (You lose track position, but I'd take
restarting 20th over being a lap down and having no shot to move up
through the field).

Honestly, I think the wave around makes the free pass kind of redundant.


  165.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:34 pm
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"Did Petree just say he's never seen Gordon and his team in better form?
He must not have been alive in 1998."

Or 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, etc.


  166.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:35 pm
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Hearing Jr. has a tire problem.


  167.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:38 pm
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Only 17 cars on the lead lap as we approach halfway.


  168.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:38 pm
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Kyle Larson is in the wall hard. His car is in flames.


  169.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:38 pm
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Larson crashes hard, get the hell outta there.


  170.   DB1995 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:38 pm
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Jamie Mac is running great, what will screw it up this time? Huge wreck
and fire for Kyle Larson.


  171.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:38 pm
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Larson hard in the wall with a right front tire failure.


  172.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:38 pm
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Larson on fire.


  173.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:39 pm
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Looks like Jr got the break he needed.


  174.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:39 pm
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Kyle Larson hits the wall.


  175.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:40 pm
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This is an example of when you SHOULD get out of the car after a wreck.


  176.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:40 pm
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Hard hit by larson


  177.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:41 pm
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Yeah, huge break for both Jr and Jimmie Johnson.


  178.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:41 pm
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Johnson pits so his crew can fix his shifter problem.


  179.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:41 pm
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Is it just me or did Larson and his team seem hesitant to get him out of
the car too early due to the new rule.


  180.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:41 pm
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Although, getting out of the car isn't the issue, IMO. Walking into
oncoming traffic is.


  181.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:42 pm
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"Is it just me or did Larson and his team seem hesitant to get him out
of the car too early due to the new rule."

His spotter told him to stop the car and get out before the car was even
stopped, so I don't think so.


  182.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:43 pm
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Days like today make me like such a worthless piece of shit that the
world would be better off without me.


  183.   BMan0213 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:44 pm
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"Is it just me or did Larson and his team seem hesitant to get him out
of the car too early due to the new rule."

Larson did seem a little slow getting out of the car, but I think that
had more to do with him gathering himself after the impact he had, not
because of the new rule.


  184.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:45 pm
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@182 That... came out of nowhere.


  185.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:46 pm
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"Days like today make me like such a worthless piece of shit that the
world would be better off without me."

What?!?!


  186.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:48 pm
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"Days like today make me like such a worthless piece of shit that the
world would be better off without me."

Huh...? What's the matter?


  187.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:50 pm
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No need to explain a damned thing. Just throwing it out here because the
people on here are the closest thing I have to friends.


  188.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:55 pm
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What's wrong Hinch27??


  189.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:58 pm
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"No need to explain a damned thing. Just throwing it out here because
the people on here are the closest thing I have to friends."

If you'd rather not explain it, that's fine by me. I hope things get
better for you.


  190.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:59 pm
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Hell of a long caution-the yellow was out for over 10 laps.


  191.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 2:59 pm
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The 24 has another Jeff Gordon restart(TM).


  192.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:01 pm
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If we get a late race caution, Gordon has no shot at winning this race.


  193.   The Long Shot posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:05 pm
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Wrong. We ARE your friends, NRF.


  194.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:06 pm
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Johnson is now the first car a lap down. I wouldn't shocked if Jacques
made an appearance soon...


  195.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:10 pm
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Edwards is now 2 laps down after having to pit twice for loose lugnuts.


  196.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:10 pm
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Carl Edwards had to pit twice because he had loose lugnuts. I can't help
but wonder if the Jack Roush Sabotage is starting to rear its ugly head
here.


  197.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:12 pm
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Newman has lost a lot of positions.


  198.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:12 pm
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@194 Not anymore, now Newman is.


  199.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:13 pm
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"I can't help but wonder if the Jack Roush Sabotage is starting to rear
its ugly head here. "
Won't be buying it... Unless, Stenhouse picks up a lot of pace, while
Edwards is slowing these last races.


  200.   DB1995 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:14 pm
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Austin Dillon is apparently having engine issues


  201.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:16 pm
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Junior comes to pit road.


  202.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:18 pm
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2nd to last pit stops.


  203.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:18 pm
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Larson's car has just been retired from the race. He will finish last.


  204.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:20 pm
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Gordon gets around Logano as he comes out of the pits.


  205.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:21 pm
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Nice pit move by Gordon.


  206.   someone posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:23 pm
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196: a couple weeks ago you guys made it sound like Roush WANTED him to
leave, I don't see why they'd sabotage him...


  207.   Tomato Leaf Eater posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:24 pm
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When my favorite driver does poorly, I start to see red.


  208.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:25 pm
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"a couple weeks ago you guys made it sound like Roush WANTED him to
leave, I don't see why they'd sabotage him..."

I was half joking about the sabotage stuff. I wouldn't completely rule
it out though since I do think that they messed with Kenseth's car a
little bit in the 2012 Chase.


  209.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:26 pm
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Larson has to win to make the Chase now as 20+ points is too much to
points race his way in as Bowyer and Biffle intend to do.


  210.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:26 pm
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I implore everyone to simply ignore #207.


  211.   DaleSrFanForever posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:27 pm
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Hinch, the world would absolutely NOT be better off without you. If you
truly feel that way, please seek help. It isn't true and is unhealthy to
feel that way.


  212.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:28 pm
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DSFF, you are the LAST person I need telling me to not do something,
because I will almost certainly do it.


  213.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:28 pm
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wheres Nicorosbergfan?


  214.   someone posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:28 pm
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with Austin Dillion's engine problems and Kyle Larson's crash, we may
finally see a different rookie of the race today! looking like Cole
Whitt who's in 21st!


  215.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:29 pm
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The NASCAR.com commentary is actually imploring the racing gods to drop
debris somewhere!


  216.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:29 pm
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"wheres Nicorosbergfan?"

Yoohoo!


  217.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:29 pm
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Is Hinch27 killing himself?


  218.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:30 pm
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You're NRF?


  219.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:31 pm
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"Is Hinch27 killing himself? "

I'm just saying I'm depressed!

Sheesh!

Yes, I'm NRF!


  220.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:32 pm
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"Is Hinch27 killing himself?"

Really?


  221.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:32 pm
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You sounded like you were. Sorry for that.


  222.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:32 pm
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I would be willing to bet money that Jacques will show up before the end
of this race.


  223.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:33 pm
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Also, Kyle Busch has gone back to the garage according to NASCAR.com.


  224.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:33 pm
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*Bangs head on wall*

Now I feel better ;)


  225.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:34 pm
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Kyle Busch out again.


  226.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:34 pm
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Pass through penalty for Carl Edwards. Too many men over the wall.

Nothing can go right for that team today.


  227.   Mr X posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:35 pm
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Jack Roush is making a strong case for sabotage right now.


  228.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:35 pm
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YAY!


  229.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:35 pm
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Leaders making their last pit stops.


  230.   someone posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:35 pm
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ooh more Roush sabotage for Carl!


  231.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:35 pm
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"Also, Kyle Busch has gone back to the garage according to NASCAR.com."

He's lucky he has a win, or else he'd be in serious danger of not making
the Chase.


  232.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:36 pm
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"Pass through penalty for Carl Edwards. Too many men over the wall."

Did Jack himself jump over?
Now that would be really sabotage!


  233.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:36 pm
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BK in the wall, real caution.


  234.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:36 pm
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Brad Keselowski slams the outside wall while leading the race and brings
out the caution.


  235.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:37 pm
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Oh man.


  236.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:37 pm
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I don't know if it's Roush sabotaging Carl, but I am willing to bet that
that team is just throwing in the towel on him. I see him finishing
12th-16th in final points.

Brad has a right front failure, into the wall, caution.


  237.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:38 pm
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And Jimmie Johnson (who else?) gets a lucky break, as this puts him back
on the lead lap.


  238.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:39 pm
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"Did Jack himself jump over?
Now that would be really sabotage!"

I don't know why this made me chuckle.


  239.   someone posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:40 pm
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ugh as a Carl fan I guess I have to count down until 2015.


  240.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:40 pm
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NASCAR has actually given Carl that lap back.


  241.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:41 pm
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Anybody else think that Bristol on Saturday is going to be really wild?


  242.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:41 pm
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"ugh as a Carl fan I guess I have to count down until 2015."

That's what I would be doing if I was a Carl fan. I think he's gonna
have a monster Kenseth 2013 type year once he's over at JGR, so I would
be pretty excited for that if I was you.


  243.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:43 pm
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"Anybody else think that Bristol on Saturday is going to be really wild?"

I can't wait. The Bristol Night Race has been excellent the past two
years (and this year's surprise additional Bristol Night Race in the
Spring was excellent too).


  244.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:45 pm
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For selfish reasons that may or may not be related to a fantasy game
off-site, I'm hoping Johnson actually finishes well and Logano falls on
his face (figuratively, of course).


  245.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:46 pm
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The stands look packed today. Great to see.


  246.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:46 pm
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Paul Menard is on the lead lap?


  247.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:47 pm
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Vickers spins.


  248.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:47 pm
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Vickers spins, another caution.


  249.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:47 pm
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Menard tries to go three wide for second.

Meanwhile, Brian Vickers spins out and the caution comes out.


  250.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:47 pm
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"The Bristol Night Race has been excellent the past two years (and this
year's surprise additional Bristol Night Race in the Spring was
excellent too)"

Indeed. I was fortunate enough to be able to watch the remainder of the
spring race (even though it was moved to FS1), and it was fantastic.


  251.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:48 pm
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If we get a bunch of late race cautions, Logano has this in the bag.


  252.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:51 pm
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Gordo is accusing Logano of brake-cheking the restarts... interesting...


  253.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:51 pm
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Gordon is mad at how Logano is controlling the restarts.


  254.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:52 pm
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Kurt Busch tried to do a slide job for the lead and hit the wall.


  255.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:52 pm
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Kurt Busch almost took the lead from Logano, but lost it and pounded the
wall hard off turn two.


  256.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:52 pm
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Kurt Busch hits the wall, but no caution.


  257.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:53 pm
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Kurt Busch slides up and smacks the turn 2 wall battling for the lead.
End of a great run for him.

His tire explodes, and the caution will come out.


  258.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:53 pm
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His tire blows, caution again.


  259.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:53 pm
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Caution for existence of humanity


  260.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:53 pm
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Kurt Busch hits it again, and this time a caution comes out.


  261.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:58 pm
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I have to imagine everyone can make it from this point.


  262.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:59 pm
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I would be surprised if this was the last caution.


  263.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.17.2014 - 3:59 pm
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First restart sees Kurt Busch, Jeff Gordon, and Paul Menard go
three-wide for second. Second restart Kurt Busch gets the wall. What's
going to happen thi stime with 17 to go.


  264.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:01 pm
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Wow!
Who restarted Gordon's car that time?


  265.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:01 pm
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Gordon clears Logano for the lead on this restart.


  266.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:01 pm
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There you have it. #24 to the lead.


  267.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:02 pm
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EPIC race for the win. Harvick and Menard get by Logano for 2nd and 3rd.


  268.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:02 pm
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Logano tries to take the lead from Gordon, but it doesn't work and he
drops back to fifth place.


  269.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:02 pm
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I'm rooting hard for Menard to make the upset.


  270.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:02 pm
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Gordon holds off Logano but Harvick and Menard are coming on full
attack. Logano back to fourth.


  271.   DB1995 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:03 pm
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Come on caution flag!


  272.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:03 pm
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That was great racing on that restart.


  273.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:04 pm
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Menard is on pace to score top 5s in both Michigan races this year.


  274.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:04 pm
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Getting into the tense final laps.


  275.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:05 pm
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Johnson is about to get into the top 10.


  276.   joey2448 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:05 pm
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KESELOWSKI IN 8TH??? Didn't he hit the wall earlier? Lol wow!


  277.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:06 pm
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Oh, ESPN is just showing us the "Moment of the Race". For a second
there, I actually thought they were about to go to commercial with less
than 10 laps to go!


  278.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:06 pm
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"Menard is on pace to score top 5s in both Michigan races this year."

Not only that, but with Larson's DNF today, he now has a much better
chance of making the Chase on points.


  279.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:06 pm
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If this stays caution free, Gordon has this.


  280.   joey2448 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:07 pm
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Gordon took the lead at Indy on a restart with 17 laps to go.

Today....we'll see.


  281.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:07 pm
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Unpopular opinion here, but go away Gordon. I want to see Menard win.


  282.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:07 pm
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Newman and Johnson are racing each other.


  283.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:08 pm
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Not only that, but with Larson's DNF today, he now has a much better
chance of making the Chase on points.

NESPN just had a points scroll, Menard is still 46 pts behind Biffle as
they run.


  284.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:08 pm
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Five laps left. Newman and Johnson are battling for 10th spot.


  285.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:08 pm
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Stenhouse Jr. is running 15th. He seems to have done much better lately
than he was early in the year.


  286.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:08 pm
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Actually, nevermind. I didn't realize Menard was that far back (21st) in
points. He's gonna have to win a race if he wants to make the cut.


  287.   DB1995 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:08 pm
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Great recovery for Brad Keselowski


  288.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:09 pm
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"Unpopular opinion here, but go away Gordon. I want to see Menard win."

I wouldn't be mad at a Menard win, even it was at the expense of my
favorite.

And in case you guys are wondering, I'm not in Michigan right now. ;)


  289.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:09 pm
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Logano has caught Menard for 3rd.


  290.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:10 pm
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White flag for Gordon. Unless something freakish happens in the final
two miles, he's got this one.


  291.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:10 pm
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Awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome!


  292.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:11 pm
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Win #91 for Jeff Gordon!


  293.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:11 pm
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Wow, Gordon wins again. He definitely has to be considered one of the
title favorites now.

91st career win.


  294.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:11 pm
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YES YES YES YES!!!!!


  295.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:11 pm
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Gordon wins his 3rd race of the year,bringing him back on top the points
standings.


  296.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:11 pm
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91st career win for Jeff Gordon.

Only 9 away from 100! 14 away from 2nd all time!


  297.   epzik8 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:11 pm
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Gordon wins again and Harvick finishes second again.


  298.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:12 pm
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Gordon has two previous Michigan win...

Both came in years in which he destroyed the sports reputation by
winning the title so dominantly.


  299.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:12 pm
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Jeff is going to reach 100 wins before he retires. Calling it now. It's
great to see his 2014 season make up for all of his 2012-2013 bad luck!


  300.   8675309 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:13 pm
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2 shitty Michigan races with 2 shitty winners. What a plummet back to
earth after an epic Watkins Glen race.


  301.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:13 pm
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*happy dancing in background*


  302.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:13 pm
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Honestly, if he has two more years like this (I heard that the 3M deal
goes through 2017, so it's possible he'll race at least through then),
he can easily reach 100 wins.


  303.   We need more Onion posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:14 pm
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Meh. But still, can't say undeserved. The best car however finished 3rd.
Great run for Menard, good ones for Mears on the lead lap and Gilliland
beating Dillon and almost getting in the top 20.


  304.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:14 pm
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It's the same top two as we had at Kansas earlier this year!

Paul Menard has a fantastic run and scores a 3rd place finish. He had a
great year at Michigan this season, scoring top 5s in both Cup races and
winning the Nationwide race.

Jimmie Johnson scores his first top 10 finish in nearly a month and a half.


  305.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:14 pm
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This is reminding me of 1997-98. Every week the #24 team has come
roaring out of the box in kill mood. No doubt the Jeff Gordon of old is
back and the drive for five is going full steam ahead.


  306.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:15 pm
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Newman and Johnson having angry words in the garage, lol


  307.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:15 pm
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A shiny nickel if you knock him between the eyes, Newman.


  308.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:15 pm
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Newman and Johnson are having a discussion after the race.

That's how I would prefer drivers settle their differences.


  309.   DB1995 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:15 pm
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Dammit, that sucks.


  310.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:17 pm
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This is just absolutely great seeing Jeff back on top this year. This
has been an amazing season for that team.


  311.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:17 pm
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Yeah, Gordon definitely has to be one of the title favorites. At the
very least, I think he can easily make it to the final four. I'm going
to guess that at least 2 Hendrick cars are going to be in the final four
come Homestead.


  312.   David posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:19 pm
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"Paul Menard has a fantastic run and scores a 3rd place finish."

Actually fourth; Logano got around him at the end.


  313.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:19 pm
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It should be noted again the previous two times Gordon won at Michigan
in August 1998 and June 2001, a race I attended have thought Rudd had
it, the #24 team won the Cup.


  314.   someone posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:19 pm
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lol interesting at this time last year jeff Gordon was "afraid" of the
high speed tracks! 3rd win of the season on a high speed track for Gordon!


  315.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:21 pm
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"Actually fourth; Logano got around him at the end."

Ah, I didn't see that. Even so, Menard still had a great year at this
track.


  316.   JG24FanForever posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:21 pm
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Win #91!!

Only the second driver in the Modern era to achieve 20+ wins from the Pole.

Darrell Waltrip has 23.

66th career Superspeedway win.

*Go Gordon!


  317.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:23 pm
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Newman should file this incident and save retribution for Martinsville
or Phoenix...Ryan would instantly become the third or fourth most
popular driver if he "got loose" under Johnson in an October or November
race.


  318.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:25 pm
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Three straight finishes of 39th or worse for Kyle Busch. Outside of
three second place finishes at Kentucky, New Hampshire, and Indy, he's
had a really horrible stretch of races since the Coke 600. His second
best finish during that stretch is a TWELFTH.


  319.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:26 pm
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I thought Dos Jotas, Marty Smith-Johnson, and Massaro were gonna start a
lemon party.

And its only August...


  320.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:26 pm
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If the equipment is solid and good racing luck is present, Gordon should
make it to the final round easily.
I will go out on a limb and say he will win one or two Chase races.


  321.   Quasar posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:29 pm
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Another great win for Gordon, I didn't want to see Logano win this one.
Typical race for McMurray, runs in the Top10 all race long but loses all
track position before the last run.


  322.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.17.2014 - 4:41 pm
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"Newman should file this incident and save retribution for Martinsville
or Phoenix...Ryan would instantly become the third or fourth most
popular driver if he "got loose" under Johnson in an October or November
race."

The first contact was a racing deal but the second one was a purpose.
But then again Ryan Newman plays the "i can race you hard but you can
not race me hard" card and loses all credability in the process.

I"m with Jimmie on this one (proably the only time i'll be on Jimmies
side for anything he gets into.)


  323.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:07 pm
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Many drivers use the racee hard but don't return the favor card, Newman
included.


  324.   BMan0213 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:11 pm
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Another big win for Jeff. Him getting to 100 wins really depends on how
long he is gonna race.

IMO if Jeff doesn't retire after next year I think his last season will
be 2017. I honestly don't feel like Jeff would retire after 2016 because
i don't think HMS would have any replacement lined up. Chase will more
than likely already be in cup and the only other person they have in the
fold currently (Reagan Smith) could very well be in the 9 car for RPM
assuming Ambrose goes back to Australia.

Also factoring into this is Kyle Larson's contract with Ganassi which
according to jayski runs out in 2017. I honestly feel like if Ganassi
isn't a championship contending team by then, Larson might very well
want to go to a better team, and with Jeff being a few years older and
retirement more likely HMS could be his landing spot.

I really can't see Jeff racing past 2017 idk why but it just seems
unlikely to me that he will. As for him getting to 100 wins, assuming he
doesn't win again this year he'll need at least 3 wins in each of the
next 3 seasons. It's not an easy task but I think it's possible.


  325.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:14 pm
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I dont think Jeff will reach 100 wins.


  326.   joey2448 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:15 pm
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Gordon scores career win #91, putting him level with the all-time
Formula 1 wins leader, Michael Schumacher. Pretty appropriate, I should
think...


  327.   Aaron posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:17 pm
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Allen Bestwick has to be Gordon's biggest fan. Homeboy loves him some
Gordon.


  328.   Dylan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:19 pm
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Jeff Gordon needs 9 more wins to have 100 wins. He also needs 14 more
wins to tie David Pearson.


  329.   BON GORDON posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:24 pm
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What a race!!! The best car won the race. Logano led more but Gordon
struggled on most of the restarts. One Gordon logged a couple laps, the
#24 car was the best car on the track. I believe he will get 100 wins.
Great race @ Michigan as well. Proud of BIG DADDY. Happy to be a fan of
his.


  330.   Anonymous posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:29 pm
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@305

Too bad everything else isn't like it was in '98-'99

@325

Denny won't reach 40.

@326

Apples to oranges...so no.


  331.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:53 pm
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Well, it's obvious that Jeff Gordon hasn't lost one of his greatest
abilities, and that is his ability to turn it up when it counts. For
much of the race, it was a battle between him and Joey Logano, but in
the later stages of the race, Gordon put it into another gear that even
Logano's car didn't have, because he pulled away from even him in the
latter stages, and when he the lead on that final restart, he was
actually turning laps at 200 MPH in the last few laps of the race, which
is astounding to me at that track, if only because of the 18 degrees of
banking and the wear and tear on the engine from nearly 400 miles of
racing, as well as the previous qualifying and practice sessions.

And as for Brad Keselowski finishing in the top ten after hitting the
wall, that's the result of being next to the wall when his tire blew,
because he didn't hit it that hard, which allowed his team to make the
necessary repairs to get him back up into the top ten. Had he been
further away from the wall when his tire blew, he would have been
knocked out of the race like Kyle Larson was because he would have hit
it much harder.

And back to Gordon. Isn't it interesting that his three wins this year
have all come at tracks where he hadn't won in at least 10 years? His
win at Indy came a full decade after his last win there, his win at
Kansas came nearly 12 years after his most recent triumph there, and his
win at Michigan today, his third there, came over 13 years after his
last win there. In fact, when he last won at Michigan, the twin towers
at the World Trade Center were still standing majestically. That's how
long it had been since he last won at Michigan.

But his recent dominance (two wins and nearly a third in the last four
races) after not having such a streak in such a long time reminds me of
that Jim Nantz said at the 1986 Masters regarding Jack Nicklaus, when he
uttered these words after Jack's 16th hole birdie that tied him for the
lead in the final round of that year's Masters: "The Bear has come out
of hibernation". It appears right now that Jeff Gordon has now come out
of hibernation. I said after his win at Indy that the official countdown
to 100 wins had begun, as that left him ten wins shy of hat unthinkable
milestone in modern-day NASCAR. Today's win means he has nine to go to
reach that magic 100th win. Whether he gets there is mater for the
future to decide.

And by the way, if he wins another race with Alan Gustafson as his crew
chief, Gustafson would become the fourth crew chief with whom Gordon
would have won in double figures, as he won 47 times with Ray Evernham,
23 times with Robbie Loomis, and ten times with Steve Letarte. Today's
win was his ninth with Alan Gustafson on top of his pit box, meaning
that the next win would also put Gustafson in double figures in terms of
wins as Jeff Gordon's crew chief. As Kyle Petty said a few weeks ago,
this is, and has been the "Jeff Gordon era", and I think he's showing
still another generation of drivers that hadn't seen Gordon dominant
like this, exactly why. Jimmie Johnson has more championships, but
Gordon casts a far bigger shadow over the sport than Johnson ever could
at this time, because of his two decades at, or near the top, and the
overall caliber of competition he's gone up against in these 22 years of
excellence.


  332.   JG24FanForever posted:
  08.17.2014 - 5:56 pm
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A few Gordon stats:

142nd time he's led the points table.

This was the 4th consecutive race that he had the most Fastest Laps.

52 at Indianapolis
26 at Pocono
20 at Watkins Glen
48 at Michigan

Considering how rare 4 consecutive Wins, Poles and Dominant races are, I
believe this is the first time since loop data was instituted in 2005,
that someone had the most fastest laps in 4 straight events.

Gordon also moved into 2nd place in laps led at Michigan, leading for
1058 laps now, Continuing a streak of 4 straight races where he reached
laps led milestones.

First to 500 laps led at Indianapolis
First to 1000 laps led at Pocono
Second in the Modern era to reach 700 laps led on a Road-Course at
Watkins Glen
Third to lead 1000 laps at Michigan

10 Front-Row starts and 11 Top 2 finishes at Michigan.


  333.   Daniel posted:
  08.17.2014 - 6:04 pm
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Go Gordon!


  334.   JG24FanForever posted:
  08.17.2014 - 6:35 pm
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One more very noteworthy accomplishment by Gordon:

Michigan became the 17th different track where he is a triple winner, by
comparison, Big E won a single race at 17 different tracks.

I would imagine 17 tracks with at least 3 wins, is a Modern record. Easily.


  335.   someone posted:
  08.17.2014 - 7:04 pm
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332: actually Jimmie Johnson from Kansas to Martinsville in 2009 had 4
consecutive races with the most fastest laps.


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  337.   joey2448 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 7:32 pm
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For those that are familiar with NASCAR's Loop Data statistics, Jeff
Gordon has average a 131.6 driver rating (a "perfect" race is a max 150)
in the last four races, starting with his win at Indianapolis.

Also, is anyone else disappointed in FS1's post race "Victory Lane"
show? It used to be that John Roberts, Kyle Petty and Larry Mac would
actually report and discuss the race from victory lane, but now it's all
done in a studio! Since SPEED channel went away, the shows have just
gotten lazy.


  338.   racefangurl posted:
  08.17.2014 - 7:36 pm
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Crashica was at it again.


  339.   Terry Maynard posted:
  08.17.2014 - 7:37 pm
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Not to sound disrespectful to anyone on here, but what the hell has
happened to the user comments section? Reading the transcript of the
race from professors of NASCAR to mental patients with cable television,
a computer, and the internet has made this section ridiculous. Why would
anyone feel the need to comment that Cole Whitt moved up from 38th to
34th in the first 10 laps, or that Ryan Newman got a sip of Coca-Cola on
his last pit stop? While I give some of the people on here credit for
posting information that is pertinent or interesting - 95% of it is just
pure crap. Guess I'll have to skip this section for any races prior to
1990 where the only problem there was people wanting to show their
superior intellect by posting excerpts from one of Greg Fielden's books,
or arguing how Dale Earnhardt would have won nearly every race if it
weren't for the racing gods interfering because they were jealous. This
is a great website, I'm just sad to see that it has started allowing
anybody that can guess the car numbers or sponsors of 3 different
drivers to post ridiculous comments for the sake of posting a comment. I
have posted numerous comments when I felt what I had to say was of
interest or added meaningful information to the site. I apologize if my
comment offends anyone, but surely there must be more than just me that
feel this way.


  340.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 7:39 pm
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"Since SPEED channel went away, the shows have just gotten lazy."

Yep. It's just a horrid, ESPN wannabe channel now. Their only Nascar
related show that is any good is Race Hub, and even then I'd rather
watch NBC's Nascar America, which airs at the same time.


  341.   joey2448 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:05 pm
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I wanna respond to some comments way up at the top of this comment
section --

"I sure miss SPEED Center. NASCAR America is great except for the fact
that it's only about NASCAR. We need a racing news show that talks about
all forms of motorsports (NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, IMSA, WEC, as well as
two-wheel racing series). It was cool though when NASCAR America had a
90 minute special on Memorial Day weekend covering the Monaco GP, Indy
500, and Coke 600."

SPEED Center is what I miss the most of all the shows, because it was a
Sunday recap show of EVERY major form of motorsport, not just NASCAR. It
featured highlights of every race; NASCAR, F1, IndyCar, Sports cars,
MotoGP, the whole lot.

"The speeds in F1 were routinely reaching 220mph at Monza towards the
later stages of the V10 days."

I imagine that the old Hockenheim circuit produced similarly blazing
speeds, if not faster that those at Monza. There were two long straights
there, before the addition of chicanes.

"Third to lead 1000 laps at Michigan"

It's the ninth track that Gordon has led 1,000 or more laps.


  342.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:05 pm
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"Not to sound disrespectful to anyone on here, but what the hell has
happened to the user comments section?"

A great community of like minded, passionate motorsports fans has been
built and continues to get together every weekend to discuss current
motorsports events. That's really all I can think of.

"Why would anyone feel the need to comment that Cole Whitt moved up from
38th to 34th in the first 10 laps"

Because it's something that happened in the race.

"or that Ryan Newman got a sip of Coca-Cola on his last pit stop?"

Never saw anyone post that. And even if they did, maybe because it's
something oddly noteworthy? Go back to some of the old races and see
some of the oddball tidbits people would/will always post.

"While I give some of the people on here credit for posting information
that is pertinent or interesting - 95% of it is just pure crap."

95%? I totally admit that we get trolls every now and then, but to say
that 95% of what we post on here is "pure crap" might be one of the most
ignorant statements I've ever read. There are some damn smart people on
here that know a lot about auto racing, and all of the regulars on here
do a damn good job of properly expressing and giving opinions.

"This is a great website, I'm just sad to see that it has started
allowing anybody that can guess the car numbers or sponsors of 3
different drivers to post ridiculous comments for the sake of posting a
comment."

You must have been reading the Tony Stewart page or something. Yes, THAT
page has had some sorry posting lately in light of recent events. But if
you are talking about this very Michigan race page, I have no god damn
idea what you're talking about when you say "ridiculous comments for the
sake of posting a comment".

"I apologize if my comment offends anyone, but surely there must be more
than just me that feel this way."

You don't need to apologize, but what you could do is enlighten us on
what you think was so ridiculous that it made you post out a huge ass
paragraph trashing 95% of posters. That would clear some things up.


  343.   joey2448 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:13 pm
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I think what Terry Maynard was referring to mostly are the comments from
users such as "KFC Bone Eater" and other such trolls. Those posters
don't add anything to the current race discussion at all, just stupid
comments that are meant to get a reaction out of people. The thing I
most enjoy about this website (like you mentioned, murb) is clicking on
any race and not only seeing the results, but also reading any other
details in the comments section that are not evident in the actual
results...it's a deeper look into how a race unfolded.

Years from now, when people go back to races in 2012-13-14 etc, and
click on the comments, they'll read a bunch of garbage about chicken
bones, watermelon seeds, and users getting pissed off at each other over
different viewpoints expressed.


  344.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:16 pm
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"I think what Terry Maynard was referring to mostly are the comments
from users such as "KFC Bone Eater" and other such trolls."

Oh I agree, but like I said, we get trolls just like any other
forum/comment type website. We have a great webmaster though who almost
always gets rid of crap like that, so I don't think there's any reason
to complain about it or let it hinder your experience on this site.


  345.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:40 pm
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If I had to guess, I'd say Matt Kenseth and Ryan Newman are in pretty
good shape for The Chase, but I think Austin Dillon and Kyle Larson (and
on back) are pretty much done as far as points go. I think the final two
spots will come down between Clint Bowyer, Greg Biffle, and Kasey Kahne.
As always, I could be wrong. As far as I know, Marcos Ambrose, Paul
Menard, or Ricky Stenhouse Jr. could win Bristol and Jamie McMurray or
Brain Vickers could win Atlanta and make everything crazy.


  346.   Eric posted:
  08.17.2014 - 8:44 pm
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Murb,

I think Terry Maynard is talking about more than trolls. I am saying
that because of some the comments on the Tony Stewart comment page on
this site.


  347.   23andJoe posted:
  08.17.2014 - 9:31 pm
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#51 status: Handling.

They could have gone further, but simply parked it because they couldn't
pick up any more spots.


  348.   racefangurl posted:
  08.17.2014 - 9:33 pm
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Next race, it's Bristol, baby! Are you ready for short track racing
under the lights of Bristol Motor Speedway? I'll watch the Cup race, if
I don't have to vacuum then. My dad works nights and every other
weekend, he works. I can't vacuum when he's sleeping. He leaves for work
at 9:30 or if he goes in early, 5:30. If he's up to the race, as
sometimes when he doesn't go in early and it's a night race when he has
to work, he watches the first part. We (my dad and me) love NASCAR and I
hope I can watch most of Bristol, at least.


  349.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 10:32 pm
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(Crosses fingers)
Get 9 more wins Jeff, 9 more wins, 9 more wins. Actually, I'd be
happiest with 15 more wins, but 9 would be great in and of itself, not
to mention it's the more realistic possibility.

Really hope Larson wins one of the next three races, or the guys ahead
of him in points have some real sour days. I feel the same for Dillon
also (I do like both of them alot), but between the two, I'd rather have
Larson up there.


  350.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.17.2014 - 10:36 pm
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And it looks like the drivers have gotten started for Bristol a week
early, @348. We know that Ryan Newman and Jimmie Johnson had a verbal
sparring match that was shown live on ESPN, but Dale, Jr. and Denny
Hamlin also had words for each other after this race, so something must
have happened there, as well.


  351.   murb posted:
  08.17.2014 - 10:47 pm
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"I think the final two spots will come down between Clint Bowyer, Greg
Biffle, and Kasey Kahne."

That actually should be a pretty good battle if you think about it,
seeing as though all three of those guys have been virtually equal all
year. None of them are very fast at all, yet all three have shown they
are capable of squeaking out good finishes (like Bowyer today) if need be.

Right now, I would probably have to give the edge to Bowyer and Biffle
with Kahne being the odd man out, but I think it'll be pretty close.


  352.   BON GORDON posted:
  08.17.2014 - 10:54 pm
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Next stop for me.....Bristol Motor Speedway. Leaving late Friday night.
Got pit and garage passes....first time ever. I'm pretty stoked.


  353.   TT#24Fan posted:
  08.17.2014 - 11:16 pm
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He Did it! 91 of 105 and 102 Now listening to Star Wars Return of the
Jedi Funeral Pyre and Victory Nice Work Jeff my man 2001 Then 2014 Now.


  354.   WinstonCupStandings posted:
  08.17.2014 - 11:26 pm
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Top 25 (that are on the big teams)
1) Jeff Gordon (3301) -Leader
2) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (3291) -10
3) Brad Keselowski (3044) -257
4) Joey Logano (2982) -319
5) Matt Kenseth (2962) -339
6) Kevin Harvick (2908) -393
7) Jimmie Johnson (2882) -419
8) Carl Edwards (2814) -487
9) Clint Bowyer (2797) -504
10) Ryan Newman (2795) -506
11) Greg Biffle (2748) -553
12) Kasey Kahne (2725) -576
13) Kyle Larson (2689) -612
14) Denny Hamlin (2682) -619
15) Kyle Busch (2671) -630
16) Austin Dillon (2643) -658
17) Paul Menard (2611) -690
18) Marcos Ambrose (2600) -701
19) Brian Vickers (2558) -743
20) Jamie McMurray (2538) -763
21) Kurt Busch (2434) -867
22) Aric Almirola (2412) -889
23) Tony Stewart (2297) -1004
24) Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (2161) -1140
25) Danica Patrick (2059) -1242


  355.   Sector posted:
  08.18.2014 - 12:02 am
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This race marks the 3rd time this season that Jeff Gordon won a race
following a finish outside the top 15.

Go Jeff Gordon!!!


  356.   Sector posted:
  08.18.2014 - 12:12 am
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I also wanted to point out that back in Texas, Joey Logano beat Jeff
Gordon. It was the exact opposite in today's race.


  357.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.18.2014 - 12:21 am
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And with Bristol coming up next week, murb, we can't forget how well
Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. ran there this spring. If he can duplicate that
performance and move up one spot from second to the win, then he'd
become the third "berth stealer" in the Chase this year, joining Aric
Almirola and A.J. Allmendinger as drivers that have stolen a berth in
the Chase from others who would ordinarily get in the Chase, based on
their points position, by winning a race. After all, with simply winning
a race guaranteeing a spot in the Chase (there are three races left
prior to the Chase cut-off and only 12 winners this season), someone
from completely out of the blue could find a way to steal a win, and
backdoor their way into the Chase, and as good as Stenhouse has been at
Bristol, he could be the next driver that steals a berth in the Chase
from someone like Greg Biffle, Ryan Newman, or Clint Bowyer. And as
silly as this might sound, Marcos Ambrose is another possible berth
stealer, given his track record at Bristol, as he's another who could
pull of a big surprise and pull off a surprise win in Thunder Valley.


  358.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.18.2014 - 2:35 am
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Texas and Richmond, Sector (#356). In both of the races won by Joey
Logano this year, Jeff Gordon came home in the runner-up spot.


  359.   Evan posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:48 am
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Jeff Gordon wins in the same car he won Indianapolis with, and again
Gordon has 91 wins and is in sole possession of third on the all-time
victories list. Jeff just needs 9 more victories to reach 100 in his
career, and a total of 14 to reach Pearson's mark of 105. Ryan Newman
and Jimmie Johnson had a verbal conversation after the race which I
don't understand, if Newman looks at the tape he'll see that Jimmie
Johnson's car just got loose and Johnson got into Newman's side trying
to correct it, plus an atta boy to the crew to get that faulty shifter
knob fixed, 8th was a blessing but the car is hard to handle with that
broken piece. Jeff Gordon still had the best car in the race and pretty
much could drive away once the tires set in. A good win and a good
weekend. Now it's time to head to Bristol for round 2 of Night Racing,
because this spring became a night race.


  360.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.18.2014 - 12:43 pm
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Looks like I missed nothing. Danica caused a crash (which she does
almost weekly), Gordon won (which should be weekly lol), but somehow
Princess Sparkly Pony got a miracle top 20!!! Her 7th of the year,
including the top 10s! Pathetic!!!


  361.   A-Frame43 posted:
  08.18.2014 - 2:17 pm
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@#354, what the hell is the point of doing a C/P of the standings for
those on "big teams"?


  362.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.18.2014 - 3:16 pm
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43 on Cup entry list:
JJ Yeley in the #32
Ryan Truex in the #83 for now
Michael McDowell in the #95
#21 not entered


  363.   racefangurl posted:
  08.18.2014 - 3:24 pm
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They like Bristol, until they have an incident. Then they're just mad.
Even Bristol's Hometown Boy's been mad at Bristol and it's a favorite
track of his.


  364.   racefangurl posted:
  08.18.2014 - 3:28 pm
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"The short track that thinks it's a superspeedway" someone on FOX called
Bristol. "Thunder Valley" and World's Fastest Half-Mile" are other
names. It's fun and maddening to drivers. To fans, it's different. "Fans
leave Bristol smiling and talking about what they've seen" and "most
drivers leave Bristol mad", the ESPN/ABC crew said last summer.
Somewhere, I saw Bristol on a list of tracks drivers think fun. See?
Maddening and fun.


  365.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.18.2014 - 3:48 pm
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Forgot about this:
David Stremme in the #33


  366.   DB1995 posted:
  08.18.2014 - 4:44 pm
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First time since spring 2011 i wont be going to any Bristol race that
streak included 6 straight NNS and 4 straight cup races, my favorite
memories in that time. For NNS Elliott Sadler winning, i dont like him
buthes the only regular i have seen win, in cup would be having 4 fords
in the top 5 this spring. We gave it a good run but the expenses were to
much this year with my grandma dying. I want Brad Keselowski to win the
truck race (i am pretty sure i read somewhere that Brad said he wouldnt
run trucks anymore if he won once) Trevor Bayne to win the NNS race (
Maybe Roush really is getting hot), and Marcos Ambrose to win the cup
race (Not actually that far out there if you think about it, based on
the spring he or Stenhouse could win, but Ambrose has been better this
year.


  367.   Anonymous posted:
  08.18.2014 - 5:25 pm
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going back to the discussion of how crappy FS1. Let's put it like this.
NBC has more racing coverage than FS1 does. Let that sink in.


  368.   Schroeder51 posted:
  08.18.2014 - 5:49 pm
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Guys...Milka Duno is on the entry list for the Nationwide race. Yes,
that's right-Milka Duno, one of the least talented race car drivers
we've ever seen, is going to attempt to run the Nationwide race at BRISTOL.

No way can this end well. My money says she'll probably DNQ, but if she
actually qualifies...oh boy.

I can't wait until she ends up in Cup in a year or two when one of the
low budget teams (FAS Lane? CircleSport? Front Row?) decides they can't
resist the opportunity to get money from the Venezuelan government and
ends up hiring her.


  369.   numbah10hatah posted:
  08.18.2014 - 5:59 pm
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Also forgot this:
Tony Stewart is in the #14 for now


  370.   THE REAL numbah10hatah posted:
  08.18.2014 - 6:10 pm
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I hate trolls.


  371.   murb posted:
  08.18.2014 - 7:06 pm
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Epic news that I REALLY hope is true: Jim Noble just reported on Twitter
that the Southern 500 at Darlington WILL be returning to Labor Day
weekend next year. In addition, Atlanta will be moved to the 2nd race of
the year after the Daytona 500, and Bristol will take place in mid
April. I guess that means Phoenix will be taking Bristol's current date
(which actually makes a lot of sense - Vegas, Phoenix, and Fontana would
now be run consecutively, making that part of the schedule a true "West
Coast Swing").

But yeah, if this is true, all I can say is that I'm extremely hyped.
The Southern 500 belongs on Labor Day weekend.


  372.   Eric posted:
  08.18.2014 - 7:27 pm
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I see Burton Smith is plotting on getting a rid of an Atlanta date for
another date for one of his tracks. I am saying that because Atlanta had
problems in March for attendance.


  373.   Eric posted:
  08.18.2014 - 7:33 pm
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I read Slugger Labbe twitter post on the Michigan test. The tweet said
"That was cool. Low downforce and softer tires looks promising. High
straightaway speed. Slower corner speeds. #223.5 MPH."


  374.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.18.2014 - 7:36 pm
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"Epic news that I REALLY hope is true: Jim Noble just reported on
Twitter that the Southern 500 at Darlington WILL be returning to Labor
Day weekend next year. In addition, Atlanta will be moved to the 2nd
race of the year after the Daytona 500, and Bristol will take place in
mid April. I guess that means Phoenix will be taking Bristol's current
date (which actually makes a lot of sense - Vegas, Phoenix, and Fontana
would now be run consecutively, making that part of the schedule a true
"West Coast Swing").

But yeah, if this is true, all I can say is that I'm extremely hyped.
The Southern 500 belongs on Labor Day weekend."

If this is indeed the case, Brian France.... good job.

"I read Slugger Labbe twitter post on the Michigan test. The tweet said
"That was cool. Low downforce and softer tires looks promising. High
straightaway speed. Slower corner speeds. #223.5 MPH."

223.5!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


  375.   Jim Davis posted:
  08.18.2014 - 7:48 pm
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"Yes, that's right-Milka Duno, one of the least talented race car
drivers we've ever seen,..."

With competition from the likes of Nur Ali and Amber Cope, that's saying
something.

"...is going to attempt to run the Nationwide race at BRISTOL."

Nascar pulled Ali's and Cope's tickets after a handful of races. We can
only hope that Duno is also on a short leash.


  376.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:05 pm
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"I see Burton Smith is plotting on getting a rid of an Atlanta date for
another date for one of his tracks. I am saying that because Atlanta had
problems in March for attendance."

Are you sure you didn't read an old article?
Atlanta hasn't had a spring race for a few years now.

Hopefully Duno won't make this race, but soon enough she'll make the
field for lack of entries. Schroeder, I don't think anyone is supported
by the Venezuelan gov't(namely Citgo/PDVSA) since Hugo Chavez died last
year. I believe Duno still has sponsorship, unlike other Venezuelan
drivers but not at the level where she could get into an IndyCar or
prominent Nationwide/CWTS ride.


  377.   David posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:09 pm
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Darlington returning to Labor Day?

*screams in delight*


  378.   David posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:10 pm
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Well, it's actually Labor Day WEEKEND, but you knew what I meant.


  379.   Eric posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:13 pm
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Chad's Hair Plugs,

I didn't read an old article. I was going by memory on how Atlanta's
March date was since Jim Noble mention the Atlanta cup date would be
moved to the 2nd race of the 2015 season with Darlington getting the
Labor day date.

Jim Noble mentioned the Darlington date getting moved to Labor and
Atlanta getting the 2nd race of the season with it being mentioned over
2 hours ago.


  380.   Eric posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:21 pm
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1995 Subaru WRX STi,

The 223.5 MPH wasn't a typo by Slugger Labbe and I guessing straight
away speed is where that speed came from. I actually had to double check
if I saw the speed right.


  381.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:22 pm
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Eric, my bad. When you mentioned Bruton moving an Atlanta date, I
thought that you thought Atlanta had 2 races instead of just saying
Bruton wants to get rid of Atlanta all together.

I feel that Atlanta and Darlington should straight swap dates.
It'll never happen, but the best spot for the 2nd race is Homestead;
allowing a short trip from Daytona, good weather, and a chance to have
multiple tracks rotating to host the "Final Race 4-for-All Spectacular!!!!"


  382.   Eric posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:23 pm
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I am guessing that Milko Duno wouldn't be in NASCAR long.


  383.   Eric posted:
  08.18.2014 - 8:37 pm
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I think NASCAR needs to go back to the 2015 package drawing board
because the straight away speed is a concern. 223.5 MPH straightaway
speed for this test is even faster the qualifying speeds for the two
races this year even with softer tires NASCAR had the teams test with.


  384.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.18.2014 - 9:16 pm
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^

So for the sake of debate, the package for 2015 slows corner speeds
(which some on here want for "better racing.") But jacks up the straight
away speeds too warp 9 levels and it still isn't ok. Far as i see it you
can't have it both ways. You have too trade off something. Even if they
reduce HP by 100 (which is still the rumor), they still will not slow
down that much. The other package they tested the drivers said didn't
change a whole lot (bigger spoiler, DTM style dive planes and all).

While i get the concerns for 223.5mph on a straight away but it is a
trade off. But then again NASCAR has done pretty what i wanted them too
do "aero and tires."


  385.   murb posted:
  08.18.2014 - 9:22 pm
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When it comes to Atlanta being the second race of the season, I'm not as
worried about the attendance as I am the weather. One of the reasons
Bristol will now apparently be run in mid April is because of the
weather issues we've seen in recent years with the Spring Bristol race.
So with Atlanta being in the same part of the country (not to mention
that the previous March Atlanta date had a lot of weather problems over
the years), I think weather is definitely something to be concerned
about. I don't think the attendance has been as big of a deal for
Atlanta since they cut down to just one race, so I'm not as worried
about that.

Fortunately, if the Atlanta date does end up floundering in that spot,
there are a lot of options. They could do a swap with Kansas (give
Kansas the #2 spot, and give Atlanta the Mother's Day spot), they could
do a swap with Sonoma (Sonoma is race #2 and the first of four West
Coast races, Atlanta gets a Summer time day-into-night race), or they
could end up doing a swap with Homestead.

I would actually be most in favor of Atlanta swapping with Homestead
(Homestead being race #2 and Atlanta getting its old school finale date
back), but Chad's Hair Plugs is right. It'll never happen on the count
of Bruton Smith. In that situation, he would probably just can Atlanta
all together and finally live out his dream of Vegas being the finale.

But yes, most importantly of all, Darlington being back on the Labor Day
slot is a fantastic step in the right direction. I'm glad to see that
Darlington will be back where it belongs. Hopefully this will put an end
to all of the rumors we've been hearing about them canning Darlington
over the past ten or so years.


  386.   Sector posted:
  08.18.2014 - 10:25 pm
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CJS, the reason I didn't bring up Richmond, is because it involved
others for the race win, & it wasn't a late restart that occurred to
make it just "Jeff vs Joey."


  387.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  08.18.2014 - 10:42 pm
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I just saw the news about Darlington. That is perhaps the best news I
have heard in quite a while! That will be AWESOME!


  388.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.18.2014 - 11:20 pm
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Guys, the reported 223.5 MPH straightaway speed is several MPH faster
than they were going at Talladega in 1987, when Bill Elliott qualified
at 212.809 MPH and they RACED at nearly 210 MPH. That's something that
can only lead to disaster. Softer tires and a lower amount of
aerodynamics will tend to help the quality of the racing across the
board, if the tires will be able to last, but they have got to slow the
cars down, or the tires simply won't last. That's what happened a decade
ago. They had grippier tires, but the cars were going so fast at some of
the tracks that the tires simply could not take it.

But they have to take horsepower away, and I say that about 75-100 HP
needs to be taken away, in addition to the trade of mechanical vs. aero
grip. But the reported straightaway speeds scares me, because NASCAR
seems to be forgetting one of the old axioms of life, and it could come
back to bite them. That axiom is "those who don't learn from history are
sure to repeat it". And NASCAR seems determined to repeat the same
mistakes from the past.

And that axiom is not just limited to the ultra-high speeds of the cars,
but also putting a race at Atlanta in the spring again. Seriously, have
they learned nothing from all the weather problems that spring race used
to have? In 1991, the race was never shown on TV, except for the first
40 laps, due to rain In 1993, the superstorm that blanketed the nation
east of the Mississippi River postponed that race one week. The 1999
spring race at Atlanta was also delayed a day by rain. What they should
do is to run the next four races after the Daytona 500 in the western
part of the country. Those races, in no particular order, should be at
Phoenix, Las Vegas, Texas, and Fontana, CA.

I think moving the Southern 500 back to Labor Day weekend is a good
idea, since you would have Bristol, Darlington, and Richmond all
back-to-back leading into the Chase, not to mention the tradition of the
Southern 500 on that particular weekend. I think it would be just as
good of an idea to move it to where it was in 2004, the next-to-last
race of the season, because then that would make the teams vying for the
championship have to earn it at THE most demanding track on the circuit
on everything from the pit crews to the drivers to the equipment. Then
we'll know that whoever wins the championship will have earned it,
because Darlington almost always identifies who the best is.


  389.   The Long Shot posted:
  08.19.2014 - 1:05 am
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It has been confirmed. Carl Edwards will drive the #19 Toyota for Joe
Gibbs Racing in 2015.


  390.   WinstonCupStandings posted:
  08.19.2014 - 1:18 am
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@361 Because the small teams never have a consistent season where they
would be in contention for the cup and even drivers that are on the list
like Stenhouse and Patrick will be mathematically out if they can't turn
their season around soon, because as it stands right now Patrick would
be out with eight to go.


  391.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 1:21 am
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Maybe it's because I didn't come and start watching NASCAR until 2004,
but I do not understand the explosion-of-epicness-in-my-pants that
everyone here came down with when they saw that Darlington might head
back to Labor Day Weekend.
Seriously, WHAT'S THE DRAW OF IT? It makes no sense. Besides, Atlanta
was holding that date well (Though if Atlanta becomes the second date of
the season I will not complain, Atlanta is easily one of my top 2
favorite tracks, with only Charlotte ahead of it). Is there some
blood-oath that makes everyone NEED to see it on Labor Day Weekend?

Then again, I'm a guy that campaigns for the July 4th weekend Daytona
race to become a nighttime roadcourse race, sees no appeal on the 1st
Michigan race falling on Father's Day, and think that Vegas should
either be the finale or be booted.


  392.   Sector posted:
  08.19.2014 - 1:24 am
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If that's the case Long Shot, then look for Carl to be strong in 2015 in
that JGR machine, as is every year when someone has a new crew chief or
moves another team in their first year. (Kyle Busch to Joe Gibbs Racing
in 2008, Tony Stewart to Stewart-Haas Racing in 2009, Brad Keselowski &
Paul Wolfe Pairing in 2011, Denny Hamlin & Darian Grubb Pairing in 2012,
Matt Kenseth to Joe Gibbs Racing in 2013, & finally, Kevin Harvick to
Stewart-Haas Racing in 2014). They each made some noise, winning a bunch
of races & so forth.


  393.   Leo posted:
  08.19.2014 - 1:45 am
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"With competition from the likes of Nur Ali and Amber Cope, that's
saying something."

Youtube 'Vadim Kogay - The Race of My Life'


  394.   A-Frame43 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 2:07 am
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CJS, you're quite the doomsday fan, aren't you? Do you have an
engineering degree? How do you know 223 will lead "to disaster"?


  395.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 4:55 am
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"Maybe it's because I didn't come and start watching NASCAR until 2004,
but I do not understand the explosion-of-epicness-in-my-pants that
everyone here came down with when they saw that Darlington might head
back to Labor Day Weekend.
Seriously, WHAT'S THE DRAW OF IT? It makes no sense. Besides, Atlanta
was holding that date well (Though if Atlanta becomes the second date of
the season I will not complain, Atlanta is easily one of my top 2
favorite tracks, with only Charlotte ahead of it). Is there some
blood-oath that makes everyone NEED to see it on Labor Day Weekend?"

Most fans of your ilk feel this way because you've never seen it (I
think you've said you started watching around 2005, correctemundo?)

The big deal is that Darlington on Labor Day was the single most intense
single-driver race in the whole world for 54 years. Typical races were
run in 100+ degree heat. Only elite drivers could win that race, and it
required every ounce of their bodies to complete. To even finish made
you legendary, especially when you consider that air condition in
NASCARs is still pretty lousy, but 50 years ago they had NO AC!


  396.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  08.19.2014 - 7:42 am
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Webmaster, just a query, why, despite the fact I have posted many
reasons why cars in the V8 Supercars series retired, they have not been
updated? I have seen many of these races and I remember why many of
these cars didn't finish.


  397.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.19.2014 - 8:09 am
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I have a feeling Darlington will still be a night race.


  398.   webmaster posted:
  08.19.2014 - 8:10 am
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@396: Identify the comments which have not resulted in updates, and I'll
try to take care of them ASAP.


  399.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 8:13 am
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Don Pardo, longtime SNL announcer, has just died.


  400.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  08.19.2014 - 8:47 am
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2007 Eastern Creek #1

Race 1 YAS V8 400 #1

2011 Armor All Gold Coast 600 #2

2011 Norton 360 Sandown Challenge #1

2011 Sydney Telstra 500 #1

2011 Sydney Telstra 500 #2

More to come (I can't remember everywhere I have posted, and I will be
posting in the future as more V8 Supercar Classics Episodes air)


  401.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.19.2014 - 10:42 am
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Jimmie Johnson will be switching back to blue cars starting this week at
Bristol.


  402.   JRacingFast posted:
  08.19.2014 - 11:23 am
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"I have a feeling Darlington will still be a night race. "

I agree but hopefully NASCAR makes it kind of unquie i wouldnt mind it
being a race that starts during the day ran most in day/twilight and
finsh it up under the lights itll make it a fun race for crew chiefs to
adjust the cars and in the end could make for a crazy race


  403.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 11:28 am
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Time for a trivia question.
What race had the most red flags?


  404.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.19.2014 - 11:28 am
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Denny Hamlin seemed to imply that the package the drivers liked most at
yesterday's test was the one that let them go 220 down the straightaway,
but only about 180 in the turns.


  405.   David posted:
  08.19.2014 - 11:45 am
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"Time for a trivia question.
What race had the most red flags?"

Are you asking because you know and want us to guess, or because you
want to know? If it's the latter, then it's not really a trivia question.


  406.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.19.2014 - 12:02 pm
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Denny said the race where they took away downforce and had a difference
of 40mph between straightaways and turns was the best race he can
remember watching. I don't know if he meant just yesterday or ever, thug.


  407.   murb posted:
  08.19.2014 - 2:07 pm
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"I have a feeling Darlington will still be a night race."

If I had to make a guess, it'll probably be more of a day-into-night
type race, kind of similar to how the 2004 Southern 500 was.


  408.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 2:15 pm
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David, most "what___" threads have no specific answer. There are no
right or wrong answers. Answer what race you THINK had the most red flags.


  409.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 2:15 pm
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@406 Did you know what race that was?


  410.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 2:38 pm
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That might explains things somewhat, and yes, I didn't start watching
until 2004. I did go back and re-watch the 2001 and 2003 Southern 500's,
but didn't find any particular draw while re-watching them.


  411.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.19.2014 - 2:45 pm
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"@406 Did you know what race that was?"

One of the mini "races" they ran during the test yesterday at Michigan.


  412.   Anonymous posted:
  08.19.2014 - 3:49 pm
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The JGR press conference confused me, is Daniel Suarez going full time NNS?


  413.   murb posted:
  08.19.2014 - 4:11 pm
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"The JGR press conference confused me, is Daniel Suarez going full time
NNS?"

He is. He'll be driving the #18 NNS car full time with sponsorship from
Arris (which will also be Edwards' primary Cup sponsor) and Telcel.
He'll also be running a limited Truck schedule for KBM.

In addition, there are reports all but confirming that Bubba Wallace
will also be running full time NNS for them, though the sponsor/number
details haven't been confirmed yet. So it looks like they will indeed be
running a four car NNS program, unless Sadler leaves (I'd be surprised)
and/or Kyle finally decides to focus his time on Cup (I'd be REALLY
surprised).

The only real question mark left with the Gibbs development drivers is
where Erik Jones is gonna run, though I'd have to imagine that he'll
most likely wind up replacing Bubba Wallace in the #54 truck full time.


  414.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.19.2014 - 4:45 pm
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"But they have to take horsepower away, and I say that about 75-100 HP
needs to be taken away,"

The packages they test toke away 50 and 100hp. Denny Hamlin said that
when they tested the packages with reduced HP he found out that passing
was HARDER then it was easier. Mainly because he barely lifted off the
gas. And he was flat out most of the time as well.


  415.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.19.2014 - 6:23 pm
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But they can't run the packages with the reduction of aerodynamics and
the softer tires without taking horsepower away, 1995 Subaru, because
the cars would be undriveable and the tires would never hold up to the
higher speeds provided by the current horsepower levels. They have to do
both, and the question is, what order would, or should they do it in? I
think they have to take the horsepower away first, because of the safety
aspects of the higher speeds. Then when they slow the cars down, they
can then proceed with the aero and tire changes without as much worry
about the tires lasting. Part of the problem that Goodyear ran into
about 10 years ago was that the cars then were going faster than the
tires they were using would allow, which resulted in blowouts and
Goodyear having to run a harder tire to decrease the chances of them
blowing out like popcorn kernels.

If they go with the aero changes and softer tires at today's horsepower
and speed levels, we'll just see races become battles of attrition and
pit crews, because of tire blowouts, as the cars are going far too fast
to use softer tires, meaning that the pit stops will be more important
than they are now, due to the increased number of pit stops that will be
made, because cautions will also rise due to the increased number of
crashes and debris cautions (real ones from tire and metal debris from
tires) that will ensue.

Besides, all they have to do is to roll back some of the recent changes
that have been made, such as eliminating the minimum ride height rule
(and move the minimum ground clearance back to 4" off the ground) and
increasing the weight of the cars back up to 3400 lbs. (from the current
3250 lbs. that they weigh now), and it will immediately be harder for
the drivers, because those rollbacks alone would make the cars harder to
drive. These changes over the last two years are a significant reason
why speeds have gone up considerably circuit-wide. If you roll back
those rule changes, you may not even have to take horsepower away, or at
least you would need to take such a low amount of horsepower away that
they could do it through gearing.


  416.   murb posted:
  08.19.2014 - 7:55 pm
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Word is Jeff Burton will once again drive the #14 at Bristol.


  417.   Scott B posted:
  08.20.2014 - 1:47 am
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Part of the appeal of Darlington can only be explained by being there.
It's like a day game at Wrigley Field is to baseball fan.

Darlington is the least Yuppiefied speedway on the NASCAR circuit. It's
not near a major metro area. You don't go to vineyards to do wine
tastings on your way to the track. It's a place where chicken still has
bones. It's a track with throwback appeal, but also a non cookie cutter
that is still challenging to race on, no matter what rules package you
throw at the cars.

Prior to the construction of Daytona, the Labor Day weekend race at
Darlington was THE prestige event on the schedule. Getting it back would
right a wrong in the eyes of many old school fans.


  418.   Mr X posted:
  08.20.2014 - 2:56 am
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I started watching NASCAR in 2003, the last year of having the Southern
500 on Labour Day weekend. I'm saying this as someone who has rarely
been able to catch the weekends racing action live as a result of an
annual out of town family gathering. I was thrilled to come home to find
that the race hadn't happened yet in 2011. Especially given that it was
probably my favourite race from the last few years.

I was and am totally a fan of the Labour Day tradition of the Southern
500. I still question the decision making surrounding breaking a 53 year
tradition for a Labour Day race in Fontana, especially as Fontana hadn't
aged into the track it is now. It wasn't a fan favourite in 2004, unless
you lived in the area. That being said the Southern 500 tradition was
broken 10 years ago, Darlington certainly isn't as tricky as it was
prior to the repave, and the track had found what I feel is a very good
place on the schedule on Mothers Day weekend. Ditching that date in
favour of a race in Kansas this year was a big mistake too IMO. Just as
the Southern 500 began to feel at home on a special weekend, it once
again gets put where it will fit for a date at a track with a fraction
of the character. Part of me likes the idea of a Labour Day Southern 500
again, but as I said above the tradition was broken 10 years ago, and
IMO if a tradition goes stale for that long it's pretty much dead, when
you combine the fact that Fontana has been replaced by another fantastic
500 mile event at a hot, tricky, characterful, track that has a long
history in NASCAR, we've started a new tradition. Let's face it, both of
these tracks would likely be history if Bruton Smith got his way, they
both need to be associated with a significant weekend to maintain their
stead in the future I feel. Atlanta is the new Labour Day classic, and
displacing it to revive a mostly dead tradition just isn't quite worth
it IMO. Leave Atlanta alone, and putting Darlington on Mothers Day
weekend. Tell Kansas it's lucky to have two f**king dates. They go where
they'll fit.


  419.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.20.2014 - 9:37 am
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If they do this package, I think that it will kill NASCAR's excitement.
I just have that feeling.


  420.   Anonymous posted:
  08.20.2014 - 2:28 pm
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"I can't say that I remember a reduction in HP ever resulting in better
racing or less cost.
Less HP= higher cost as details become more important."

Tweet from Tim Cindric, President of Team Penske. Forgive me, but I
think a trust someone who actually works in the industry more than I
trust someone who just types from behind a compute screen like most of
us do.

He also says, like Denny Hamlin, less downforce is the best direction
for the sport.


  421.   murb posted:
  08.20.2014 - 2:55 pm
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"That being said the Southern 500 tradition was broken 10 years ago"

That's true, but I for one see this reformed Labor Day Southern 500 as a
return of the original race. I don't see it as the "Dodge Charger 500"
run on Labor Day. I see it as "The REAL Southern 500 is back". I think
it's a great thing that will return Darlington and that race back into
the place you want to win the most (along with Daytona and Indy).

I do agree about Atlanta though. I too see the current single date
Atlanta race as a "Modern Day Classic" of sorts (largely due to the epic
Gordon/Johnson battle from the 2011 race, which to this day still stands
as one of the top five Cup races I've watched in 15+ years of watching).
So I too am weary about having that race be #2 on the season (especially
when you also throw in the potential weather issues). Hopefully down the
road they will do a swap though and give Atlanta a better date that will
make that race stick out as its own Crown Jewel event (I would love it
on Mother's Day actually, with maybe a daytime Iowa race replacing
Spring Kansas and being race #2 of the season).

But once again, I think having the Southern 500 back on Labor Day is
gonna be a great thing. I see it as The Return of the original race, not
just a continued watering down of Darlington. I feel a lot of closure
and new excitement in this. The ORIGINAL Southern 500 is gonna be back
(at least in my mind).


  422.   The Crimson King posted:
  08.20.2014 - 4:35 pm
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The Southern 500 in it's current date has always just felt... odd to me.
Having it back on it's old slot just feels right.


  423.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.20.2014 - 5:04 pm
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"Tweet from Tim Cindric, President of Team Penske. Forgive me, but I
think a trust someone who actually works in the industry more than I
trust someone who just types from behind a compute screen like most of
us do."

There is one thing NASCARF fans are best at; spending other peoples money.

NASCAR givng Darlington back is "traditional" Labor Day date is partly
correcting a screw from 10 years ago. Next thing they need too do is
give the track a 2nd date (perhaps in the Chase) then all will be right
in the world.

As i've said before, NASCAR is inbetween 0% and 99% correct in what they
do, but in this case, they are 100% correct.


  424.   THE REAL numbah10hatah posted:
  08.20.2014 - 6:16 pm
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Jeff Burton now in the #14
Brett Moffitt now in the #66


  425.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.20.2014 - 7:26 pm
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I think Stewart should return some point. He can overcome this tragedy,
Just like Sterling Marlin and Ken Schrader with Dale Earnhardt and many
other drivers who were involved in an accident which killed another driver.


  426.   Hinch27 posted:
  08.20.2014 - 7:35 pm
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There is a difference between an accident and accidentally running
someone over.


  427.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  08.20.2014 - 7:41 pm
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^Agreed. No comparison between Marlin/Schrader and Stewart, IMO.


  428.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.20.2014 - 8:19 pm
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"I think Stewart should return some point. He can overcome this tragedy,
Just like Sterling Marlin and Ken Schrader with Dale Earnhardt and many
other drivers who were involved in an accident which killed another driver."

As much i don't like throw Big E under the bus but he wrecked himself.

I feel bad for Kenny Schrader because he saw Dale before anyone else did
and know he was hurt (and i have a feeling he knew what all of us would
find out later IMHO).

Sterling Marlin got (upcoming understandment of the all time) treated
like dirt for an accident not of his own doing. I really can not believe
Sterling got death threats for that.


  429.   The FAKE David posted:
  08.20.2014 - 9:03 pm
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"I think Stewart should return some point."

I agree with Hinch27's point of view. Stewart has more to prove if he
just retires now and shuts up all the haters.


  430.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  08.21.2014 - 6:32 pm
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"Jimmie Johnson will be switching back to blue cars starting this week
at Bristol."

And not a f*** was given. (Had to)

Ryan Truex has been medically cleared to drive this weekend. Whether he
does or not is another issue.


  431.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  08.21.2014 - 10:35 pm
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The tradition also used to be to finish the season off in California.
From 1974 to 1986 (1963 also did this)
I don't see anyone campaigning for Infenion (or Fontana) to be made the
finale again. Granted, Fontana isn't an icon as much as Ontario was (And
then when I think of it, Ontario was little more then a badass version
of Indy) and Infenion isn't nearly as widely respected as Riverside, but
the point still stands.

In addition, from 1987 to 2000 (2001 would have counted if not for the
delayed Loudon race) Atlanta was the season finale. It had earned it's
place there for remarkable season ending events like '96 and '92. I
don't see anyone petioning that to move back to the end of the season
either.

Another tradition was to run the two Talladega races within 2 two 3
months of each other, because it would test equipment and the driver to
drive in Alabama in the muggy heat of July and August. I don't see
anyone campaigning for 'Dega to come back into the summertime.

Granted, you could say that it's along the lines of comparing Apples to
Oranges or Apple to Microsoft. But I agree with Mr. X. After a while,
some Traditions become dead. Darlington should have kept it's Mother's
Day weekend date, Atlanta, the Labor Day weekend date. I think I posted
a comment some months back about NASCAR needing to stay the same for a
while to create new traditions. Traditions like these are what I'm
talking about. We don't need to run back and hash in old traditions.
Yes, they were great. Yes, it created good feels all 'round the track
and the country. But something new needs to come in once in a while, and
I do feel that losing Darlington has dealt well with loosing the Labor
Day weekend date, and should have kept the Mother's Day date.

Then again, don't bother listening to me. My first race that I was
actively watching was the 2004 Daytona 500.


  432.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  08.21.2014 - 10:37 pm
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OH yeah, one more thing. A bit eerie if you ask me.

Aug 20, 1994: Ernie Irvan nearly dies in a crash at Michigan.
Aug 20, 1995: Bithdate! Yipee!
Aug 20, 1999: Ernie Irvan nearly dies again in a crash as Michigan.
Aug 20, 2000: First NASCAR race I ever watched...at Michigan...


  433.   The Long Shot posted:
  08.21.2014 - 11:23 pm
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"Aug 20, 1995: Bithdate! Yipee!"

In that case, a late happy birthday to you! The amount of birthdays this
board has in the last two weeks of August is unreal (myself, David, NRF,
cjs, SpeedWorld97).


  434.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.22.2014 - 12:32 am
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D-666, the thing about the traditional Labor Day date at Darlington
returning has to do with righting a wrong. After all, Darlington losing
the Labor Day weekend date was like the Indianapolis 500 or Coca-Cola
600 losing it's date on Memorial Day weekend, or the U.S. Open golf
championship losing it's traditional Father's Day weekend slot on the
PGA Tour calendar. Even the Daytona 500 has always been, to some extent,
associated with President's Day, a tradition that ended in 2012 (and
they've had nothing but problems ever since, with two races marred by
rain and the other overshadowed by Kyle Larson's horrific crash the day
before the 2013 Daytona 500). The outcry if one of those major events
lost it's traditional slot for a newer event, or because of some kind of
legal action, would be as immense as the Southern 500 losing it's Labor
Day weekend slot after 2003. I wonder what would happen on this board if
the Coca-Cola 600 or the Indianapolis 500 were moved off of Memorial Day
weekend. There are traditions that should never be altered, and the
Southern 500 on Labor Day weekend was one of them. The races at Indy and
Charlotte on Memorial Day weekend are two more traditions that should
never be altered.


  435.   David posted:
  08.22.2014 - 9:46 am
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Scotts Ortho will sponsor Greg Biffle in 2015 for about half of the races.


  436.   dennyfan11 posted:
  08.22.2014 - 7:14 pm
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Sorry for thumbing your comment down David,my mouse slipped. I meant to
thumb it up!


  437.   David posted:
  08.23.2014 - 12:27 am
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It's okay. I don't really care.


  438.   TT#24Fan posted:
  09.02.2014 - 1:16 pm
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He did it for the 2nd time since 200 2001-2014 13 Years


  439.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  09.28.2016 - 3:39 pm
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DC
21 Ryan Blaney Motorcraft/Quick Lane Tire & Auto Center Wood Brothers Ford
78 Matt Crafton Furniture Row/Denver Mattress Barney Visser Chevy
83 Ryan Truex Burger King/Dr. Pepper BK Racing Toyota


  440.   Maverick19 posted:
  10.16.2017 - 11:15 pm
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Jeff Gordon's final win from the pole.


  441.   JSPorts posted:
  10.16.2017 - 11:59 pm
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Never thought I'd say this, but damn do I miss Gordon & Stewart.


  442.   Anthony posted:
  11.23.2017 - 8:37 am
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Trevor Bayne had a drivers change. Did he started the race & handed the
seat to Ryan Blaney under that first caution?


  443.   Anonymous posted:
  05.15.2020 - 9:39 pm
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The nine car wreck that happened in this race was Michigan's biggest cup
series crash since 1994.


  444.   Jimmie4life posted:
  07.11.2020 - 2:35 pm
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Practice 1 results:
https://www.jayski.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2019/05/23mis2014prac1.pdf

Practice 2 results:
https://www.jayski.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2019/05/23mis2014prac2.pdf

Final Practice results:
https://www.jayski.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2019/05/23mis2014prac3.pdf


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