|| *Comments on the 2014 GEICO 500:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (27) (0) The only positive thing I can say about that qualifying session is that Terry made the top ten. 2. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Perhaps NASCAR's low blow of the year or in quite awhile! This was absolutely uncalled for! 1994-Dale Jarrett 2004-Scott Wimmer and Scott Riggs 2014-Ricky Stenhouse (pretty much a bust now) and Just Allgier (very underrated rookie) Except Jarrett's the last two instances effected qualifying's future! Worse of all, Jeff Gordon qualifying 46th out of 46 cars and barely making out alive is a miracle and luck (and that's coming for a Gordon fan). Terry Labonte should be allowed to drive the pain scheme, it's his last race who really cares if it's inconsistent! Good top 10 run though! 3. Kenny posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Yep love seeing Terry in 9th I'd be something if he somehow won Sunday :D 4. David posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) No love for Ryan Blaney in fourth? 5. jabber1990 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse DNQ? Too bad they don't tandem or I'd make a "no who'll work with Danica?" Joke, but I just remembered its Roush making the joke irrelevant anyway 6. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) The drivers are all over thinking this. Just go out, make a lap, and let the dominos fall where they fall. 7. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Also, with Stenhouse DNQ'ing, I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying that Roush will kick Trevor out of the #21 and put Stenhouse in there. I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. I think Stenhouse SHOULD sit out this weekend. Maybe it will do him good confidence wise to take a week off and reassess himself. Remember when Jack pulled him out of the #6 NNS car when he was wrecking every week? He came back a lot better, and ultimately wound up driving to two straight NNS titles. So I hope Stenhouse does sit out this weekend. He clearly needs either a confidence boost and/or something to light a fire under him, and I think this could very well be it. 8. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David - I'll give him props for his top 5 run, same when Brian Scott won the pole too. 9. Ernest T. posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Another NASCAR "innovation" (this new qualifying crap) blown out of the water as many top drivers deliberately tank their qualifying runs in order to start at the back, which at Talladega is actually a benefit and hardly detrimental. Question: if a driver wants to start at the back so badly, why not go out and make a good qualifying run anyway.... and then make an "unapproved adjustment" and start at the rear of the field via penalty? Or just voluntarily pull out of line on the pace laps and drop to the rear, though I suppose some would think that to be a chickenshit move. 10. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, with Stenhouse DNQ'ing, I'm seeing a lot of rumors saying that Roush will kick Trevor out of the #21 and put Stenhouse in there. I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. I think Stenhouse SHOULD sit out this weekend. Maybe it will do him good confidence wise to take a week off and reassess himself. Remember when Jack pulled him out of the #6 NNS car when he was wrecking every week? He came back a lot better, and ultimately wound up driving to two straight NNS titles. So I hope Stenhouse does sit out this weekend. He clearly needs either a confidence boost and/or something to light a fire under him, and I think this could very well be it." - Really hope he doesn't replace Bayne, let Stenhouse sit out for this race as disappointed as it is to DNQ. Look at Kurt Busch in 2001, he was in the same spot around low 20s to mid 30s in points and he DNQ'd in Atlanta. A year later, he broke through. Not saying that faith may happen to Ricky in terms of his performance but hope Stenhouse gets it together and runs well because I've been bummed out that he hasn't lived up the height. 11. Ernest T. posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To #2: Gordon qualified last because he wanted to. Not because his car is substandard or because he suddenly forgot how to drive it. Don't worry. 12. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Absolute farce of a qualifying session. The format is ridiculous at plate tracks, granted, but I fail to see how spending half of your allotted time on pit road is supposed to help at all. Let us hope the race turns out better than this crap. 13. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And as for the qualifying format itself, I would totally be on board with this if they made it absolutely mandatory that you HAVE to go out on the race track once the clock starts. Like I said on the end of the Charlotte page, all this laying back stuff is what caused this joke session. Go out when the clock starts, or else you don't get a time. Simple as that. But yeah, that was excruciating to watch. 14. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 11) Hope that's the case because that's very un-Gordon like to do in qualifying, so I'll go with the forgot how to drive part. I'm more upset with the whole system as much as Gordon's starting spot since guys tend to run in the back which works (just ask Dale Jarrett in 2005). 15. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse DNQ'd because he was one of the 6 drivers in that second group that was only able to fully complete a warmup lap, not because he had a bad run. Those who say Bayne needs to replace him in the 17 need to simmer down. 16. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Also, I will be in attendance for this race and let me go ahead and apologize in advance to the Tony Stewart fans.... Every single Cup race I've been to, the 14 car has crashed out, or gotten damage that caused it to fall off the pace. Talladega, Oct. 2012-Stewart leading on the last lap, blocks Michael Waltrip and turns up on his lid in the ensuing 25 car wreck. Finishes Talladega, May 2013-Stewart involved in 16 car wreck on lap 44. Limps home 27th. Atlanta, Sept. 2013-Mark Martin involved in 4 car crash on lap 32. Comes home 25th. Talladega, October 2013-Austin Dillon makes a move from 3rd on the last lap, loses control and makes contact with Casey Mears who send him flying into the air. Finishes 26th. Talladega, May 2014-Stewart involved in 14 car wreck on lap 138. Finishes dead last. 17. The Crimson King posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wanted to make this post in the last topic but I'll put it here because I assume everyone will migrate to here. @racefangurl You do realize that Lewis Hamilton in 2007 damn near won the F1 World Driver's Championship as a rookie, right? He only lost the title by a single point. He also won 4 out of 17 races, which is more impressive than winning 3-4 out of a possible 36. 18. dennyfan11 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) OMG. STENHOUSE FAILED TO QUALIFY. RIP Roush Racing as a top team. Have fun being a crap team for the rest of your career. 19. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BREAKING: Joe Nemecheck fails inspection and gets kicked out of field. Sorenson is now in. 20. Ernest T. posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #14: I agree the system is the problem, and I don't figure too many will dispute that. A further problem is that this doesn't bode well for the race (and that might be the case no matter what qualifying scheme was used). While there may be the occasional "small one" to shake things up tomorrow, or failing that a few phantom debris cautions to attempt to alleviate the boredom, what's most likely to happen is a single-file parade most of the way with many or most Chase drivers running just fast enough not to lose the draft from 35th place. B-o-r-i-n-g. Then we can all wake up from our naps, or tune back in from our local NFL game, at about lap 180 and watch the carnage at the end. 21. Hinch77 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tanking qualifying at Talladega... If it wasn't Talladega, I would say that's a lie. But it's Talladega, and there's an Indian burial ground under the track. 22. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shit, Nemechek disqualified after oil tank encase meant was improperly sealed. And yet Stenhouse STILL doesn't qualify (Sorenson had the faster time). What a wacky day this has been. 23. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I just want to point out that there's actually still a chance Roush could win the championship this year... 24. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) RAB Racing isn't meant to be a Sprint Cup team, and what just happened proves it. 3 DNQ's this year. 3 strikes and you're out. 25. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well, that's great for Sorenson, but I was hoping Allgaier would somehow manage to make it back in if something like that were to occur. He had his career best at Charlotte this week, and as a team they seem to be on the upswing after falling off a bit during the late Summer stretch. Oh well, hopefully this DNQ won't completely derail that 51 team. 26. racefangurl posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) What I said about rookies applies to NASCAR but not open wheel and I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to races after I was 11, until I was 21 and we got FOX. 27. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, it was originally announced Stewart got the PC provisional, but now it seems like it was just a regular provisional which makes sense since he was the 7th highest in owner points of the 10 outside the the top 36 fastest qualifiers. He shouldn't be charged a PC provisional when he was eligible for a regular provisional anyway. 28. Hinch77 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Face it, you just hate Chase's guts for absolutely no frickin' reason. 29. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^And since Stewart is using a regular provisional and not a PC provisional now, that means he moves up to 37th starting spot since he doesn't have to automatically start last. Gordon now starts last. 30. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "What I said about rookies applies to NASCAR but not open wheel" *facepalm* Please explain how there is any difference at all. 31. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Per Jeff Gluck, the 17 is packing up to go home. Doesn't mean Ricky is packing up to go home, though. 32. racefangurl posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Open wheel and NASCAR are different animals in some ways. Lewis Hamilton was Rookie of the Year, I bet, if they do that in F1. He must be a good F1 racer. I watch a little F1, but I'm a casual fan of it, so I don't know much about it. 33. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, since it hasn't been mentioned, Matt Kenseth (engine change) and Brad Keselowski (unapproved changes) will both be going to the rear. So basically, ALL of these guys will be starting 30th or worse: Jeff Gordon, Joey Logano, Kevin Harvick, Brad Keselowski, Matt Kenseth, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson, Tony Stewart. Holy hell. This is gonna be insane. 34. racefangurl posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot, I have said the Nationwide top-6 could look like this: Regan Smith, Chase Elliott -1 and then Elliott Sadler, Brian Scott, Ty Dillon and Trevor Bayne, in any order round out the rest of it. People, I could see a Chase spoiler tomorrow. It's 'Dega and 'Dega's crazy. 35. Sky Warrior posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, will it be Wise, Bayne, McDowell, Blaney, Labonte, Gilliland, or Ragan that withdraws or gets taken out of their ride? Or will a Roush car DNQ 2 weeks in a row? I remember when they used to be a top level team 36. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And to add to that, Dale Jr will start 28th, and two non-Chasers that should be favorites for the race win, Clint Bowyer and Jamie McMurray, will also be starting in the 30s. There is an unfathomable amount of good cars starting in the rear of the field. 37. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ricky will probably sit on top of Danica's pit box tomorrow. I really don't want Stenhouse to replace Bayne in the 21 tomorrow. As much as I hate to say it. I think the 48 will get in and either the 11 or the 24 will get out. 38. racefangurl posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope they don't pull Bayne. I mean, I think he's a plate ace. He led 5 laps at this track in April 2011 and he's been my favorite ever since that moment. 39. Rockstar posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm pulling for TEXAS TERRY LABONTE !!! How good of a win will that be? 40. Mr X posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On the subject of Ricky Stenhouse, regardless of the reason why he DNQ'ed, in addition to Kurt Busch DNQ'ing for the intended season finale in Atlanta in 2001, Greg Biffle also DNQ'ed for the Las Vegas race in the 2003 season. I don't know exactly what the circumstances were, but this has been fairly common for young Roush drivers. 41. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So, will it be Wise, Bayne, McDowell, Blaney, Labonte, Gilliland, or Ragan that withdraws or gets taken out of their ride? Or will a Roush car DNQ 2 weeks in a row? I remember when they used to be a top level team" IF (and that's a big if) that were to happen, I would say Bayne is the most likely to get pulled due to the direct Roush affiliation. I don't think the Wise and McDowell cars are worth buying, Blaney is a Penske car, Labonte is in his last start and the car is painted special for him, and I'm not sure Bob Jenkins would necessarily consider putting Stenhouse in over Gilliland and Ragan to be an improvement (though a fat check cut by Roush could certainly be enticing to a small team). 42. Ernest T. posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #33: Kes was starting near the front but Kenseth was 13th and didn't want to be there in the middle of the action at the start so they found something to get "penalized" for. That's exactly the kind of thing I was referring to in an earlier post here. And by having an actual qualifying position of 13, as opposed to a Gordon-esque 43rd, Kenseth presumably has a better pit selection. Current score: Jason Ratcliff 1, Alan Gustafson 0. OK, so maybe pit selection isn't that big a deal at Dega, but the point was that there are any numbers of ways to circumvent NASCAR's qualifying scheme and now we have proof of the "penalty" method. 43. Schroeder51 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW, this is probably the craziest qualifying session I've seen in a while. Almost all the Chasers (save for Johnson, Newman, and Edwards) will be starting this race towards the back? Stenhouse and Allgaier DNQed? That's crazy. I'll have to miss this race tomorrow, but I can tell this is going to be quite a wild one. How long will the Chasers actually stay at the back? 44. 1995z71 posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think anyone mentioned this before me, but good run for Mike Wallace in Jay Robinson's 2rd entry. 45. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (7) (1) To be completely honest, I'd rather see Allgaier get bought into the field than Stenhouse. 46. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So, will it be Wise, Bayne, McDowell, Blaney, Labonte, Gilliland, or Ragan that withdraws or gets taken out of their ride? Or will a Roush car DNQ 2 weeks in a row? I remember when they used to be a top level team" Like Zack was saying, Bayne is easily the most likely candidate. I doubt it will happen, though. Stenhouse isn't in a points position where it would be worthwhile to buy a spot into the field (down 24 to next highest-up, up 15 on next lowest). Worst-case scenario: Danica passes him in points. "#33: Kes was starting near the front but Kenseth was 13th and didn't want to be there in the middle of the action at the start so they found something to get "penalized" for. That's exactly the kind of thing I was referring to in an earlier post here." False. They mentioned before qualifying that Kenseth would have to go to the rear tomorrow. 47. We need more Onion posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " I don't think the Wise and McDowell cars are worth buying" To be honest, the McDowell one might be surprisingly good. I'd even risk it to say it is better than the #21. McDowell ran very well in the last two plate races and the car itself is a Germain ride from 2013. And those were REALLY good... 48. We need more Onion posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forgot to add: But I think the Leavine guys have more dignity than selling their spot in a race where they have a legit chance for a top 10. 49. ii posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Terry says he's retiring but I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Daytona next season. 50. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Forgot to add: But I think the Leavine guys have more dignity than selling their spot in a race where they have a legit chance for a top 10." You just nailed the reason why Stenhouse won't be racing on Sunday: because there has never been a race like this where so many underfunded teams have had such a good shot at winning. 51. Sky Warrior posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I was kinda hoping Terry would go for 900 starts since he's so close 52. Daniel posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Go Gordon! 53. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One other thing about the Leavine team: They have a strong alliance with Penske. They are pretty much the fourth Penske car here this weekend. There's no way that they'll sell that out just for some of Jack's money. And as for all the other Ford teams, the only realistic one is the Wood Brothers. Think about it. Wise is running the wildly popular Dogecoin car again, and they've been hyping that up all week all over the internet, so it really likely won't be him. Gilliland and Ragan are full time drivers, so I seriously doubt it would be one of them. It won't be Terry for obvious reasons (at least I REALLY hope Stoddard wouldn't be that much of a scumbag), and it obviously won't be Ryan Blaney either. So pretty much the only option for Stenhouse is the #21 car, and I really have to (and WANT to) believe that it won't happen on a count of the class of the Wood Brothers. So yeah, I seriously doubt Stenhouse will race tomorrow. But like I said, I think this could be good for him. He BADLY needs a wake up call. I know his cars have been complete shit, but the "bust" tag is already starting to be thrown around for him, and if he wants to avoid that, then he needs to really start showing that he has the fire in the belly to make it in Cup. And I think sitting out this weekend is the perfect spark for that. If he's not completely deprived of desire, this should be a great motivator for him. 54. d posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) That was the worst qualifying format I've ever seen for the type of track. If they are going to do group qualifying at a drafting track, they'd have to do an average of all laps run to keep everyone having those terrible strategies 55. startandparkfan posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm back! Should be quite the race tomorrow, aside from the mandatory mid-race parade. 56. d posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) and Nascar saying Labonte has to have both sides of his car look the same is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'd like to see them not change it for the race and Nascar tell them they can't race. That would be the worst publicity they've ever had 57. We need more Onion posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Murb, you don't have to worry about Terry's ride. I'm 100% sure that if there is an owner who respects Terry to the fullest and will not sell him (or anyone actually) out of his (supposedly) final start, then that is Frank Stoddard. 58. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Labonte's car should look like the Piedmont car in the front and the Kellogg's car in the back. Then both sides of the car would look the same. 59. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I'm 100% sure that if there is an owner who respects Terry to the fullest and will not sell him (or anyone actually) out of his (supposedly) final start, then that is Frank Stoddard." I'd have to believe that too. Stoddard has always seemed like one of the nicest, coolest guys in the sport (though I have to admit, he's pretty mediocre as an analyst on Nascar America on NBC). He and Terry are apparently really good friends, so I too don't see it happening at all. I'm just saying that you never know when it comes to the Jackass In The Hat. Given his track record, I'm sure his negotiation tactics are full of lies and BS, so who knows what he would promise some of these potential buyout teams. 60. AveryNH posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr. X, the circumstances for Biffle's dnq in 03 was no points. The 16 ran in 1 race from 2001-2002 and dnq'ed for three others. Going even further back to 1996 Jeff Burton who, going into the spring Atlanta race was 2nd in points, failed to qualify for the same reason. No points from the prior year. 61. Sky Warrior posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) That thing about the car being the same on both sides has to be a new rule and it's incredibly stupid. Back in 09 or so Robby Gordon and P.J. Jones ran a car that was Jim Beam black and red on one side and Menards black and neon green on the other. Why is that allowed then and now they're just giving the finger to one of the sport's greatest drivers? 62. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'd only point out that the original intention of the provisional -- before the top-35 rule eliminated that aspect of qualifying -- was to protect the teams who competed every week, but not necessarily to guarantee them a starting position. The past champions provisional, which was created for the benefit of Richard Petty (and then became the Darrell Waltrip charity fund, as well as enabling Terry Labonte to prostitute himself out to any partly credible team because a 60-year old man who announced his eventual retirement in 2004 has nothing better to do with himself) was an exception. Teams only had a certain number of provisionals available to them throughout the season because NASCAR, until the outcry over the Riggs and Wimmer situation, had no interest in franchising and wanted to prevent its fields from becoming complacent. As a result, factors outside of a team's control could and did catch them out on occasion. Dale Jarrett failed to qualify for a race in the 18 in 1994, despite finishing 1993 high in the points; the year he debuted the No. 88 and won the Daytona 500, Jarrett almost failed to qualify at Atlanta because they were still relying on the preceding years' owners points; that also impacted Greg Biffle and Jeff Burton when they were in their first season at Roush; the 43 and 21 (under both Waltrip and Sadler) also missed events. It's not a coincidence that Kyle Petty and several of the smaller teams who were most vulnerable to being forced out of a field by "wildcard" entries and other developments persistently advocated for something resembling the top-35 rule. They received it, but it had the effect of making it extraordinarily difficult to become established in the sport, as Toyota found out with their entry in 2007. The current provisionals system is really a diluted form of the top-35 rule, since to my knowledge there is no limit on how many a team can use, and only under an extremely rare circumstance will a regular team fail to qualify. But as today showed, it can still occur, and I actually believe it's very important to preserve that element. The real issue is that this mode of qualifying is completely inappropriate for Daytona or Talladega -- they should still be using single-car time trials at the superspeedways. On the other hand, it's the 17's responsibility to qualify, not NASCAR's. 63. epzik8 posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So Joe Nemechek is missing the race after all. Also surprised at Stenhouse's DNQ. But I like that Terry Labonte is starting ninth in his last race. 64. RaceFanX posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Frank Stoddard and the #32 team originally did up their Ford for Terry with his famous 1994-1999 Kellogg's Corn Flakes red and yellow colors on the left side, his red-and-white 1970s colors on the hood and roof, and his blue-and-white early 1980s Piedmont Airlines scheme on the right side. After practice NASCAR put the kibosh on that scheme so the right side of the car was redone in the Kellogg's colors. If it's any consolation Terry may not have liked the paint job. He joked after seeing it that if he'd have known they were going to do that he wouldn't have told them it was his last race. He ran a special Kellogg's scheme for much of his final season at Hendrick in 2006, originally his farewell tour, but for his originally planned final race at Texas that year he ran a crimson red tour with photos of his career worked into the scheme. Those Robby Gordon's cars were probably allowed because that car still had the same overall look just with little highlight differences. However radically different splits used to be allowed. Back in the mid-1990s NASCAR allowed Busch series sponsors French's Mustard and Black Flag roach killer to split their co-sponsored cars for one race a year. The car would have the yellow-and-blue colors of French's on one side and the red-and-black colors of Black Flag on the other. 65. Dense Drip posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Could somebody please explain the huge controversy over the qualifying today? I missed it today. 66. Mr X posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 60. AveryNH posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr. X, the circumstances for Biffle's dnq in 03 was no points. The 16 ran in 1 race from 2001-2002 and dnq'ed for three others. Going even further back to 1996 Jeff Burton who, going into the spring Atlanta race was 2nd in points, failed to qualify for the same reason. No points from the prior year. Regardless Greg still should've been quick enough to qualify. I didn't clarify but I was mostly talking about the circumstances that made them so slow in that session. Independent of Ricky Stenhouse Jr's points position they were too late getting to the line in an attempt to use the draft to get a good starting position for a race where starting position means next to nothing. Denny Hamlin went out on his own and posted a time that was fast enough to make it in regardless of his points position as 3 drivers were going home, and Denny posted a faster lap then 7 of them. 67. Hinch77 posted: 10.18.2014 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If anyone could win at 57 (almost 58) years of age, it's Terry. He's quite fast considering his age, and with the head he has on his shoulders you can guarantee he will win if he is in the spot to do so. You say he "prostitutes" himself, yet he seems to be doing all right right now considering he outqualified 38 other drivers. 68. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The current provisionals system is really a diluted form of the top-35 rule, since to my knowledge there is no limit on how many a team can use, and only under an extremely rare circumstance will a regular team fail to qualify." Wouldn't that make it a diluted form of the old provisional system, rather than a diluted form of the top-35 rule? 69. ... posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I swear, If NASCAR Parks Texas Terry For his car ( If you have not seen it, Its half Kellogg's and Piedmont airlines, Show the two Schemes he drove for his 2 Championships.) Just because The car cant have 2 different Colored sides, I will Lose A LOT of respect for NASCAR, I mean C'mon its his last race. 70. Sky Warrior posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gonna be Terry Labonte's first Top 10 start since Sonoma 2005 71. Daniel posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Out using fastest 43: #24 Jeff Gordon 72. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 68: That's a reasonable point. Actually, describing it as a diluted form of either the original provisionals system or the top-35 rule might be wrong on my part, because it's the reduced fields that exert the strongest influence over the issue of qualifying: when you only have 42 to 44 entries each week, it's almost impossible that a competitive, full-time team will fail to do so. On the other hand, during the '90's, 'regulars' could be placed in jeopardy at events like Charlotte, Indianapolis, or Daytona, even if they typically managed to qualify, because of the wealth of entries those venues attracted. 73. AveryNH posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well after some digging, on Las Vegas 2003. Biffle was 37th fastest but was last in provisional rankings. Ol' Hideo Fukuyama was the slowest of 44 but ranked higher in provisionals, as the 66 had run portions of the 2002 season. Since 37-42 were provisional positions (from 98 until 03) the lowest ranked driver was booted. This of course was determined by the prior years owner points. Hence Biffle's dnq. Now as for Kurt in Atlanta in '01, he was just simply out of provisionals. 74. Brad Keselowski & Bubba Wallace Fan posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Josh Wise's 100th career start. 75. AveryNH posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In using fastest 43: #17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Out using fastest 43: #24 Jeff Gordon" This just proves how stupid this session was. I fail to understand why three or four drivers didn't just line up together, run two solid laps to lock in the race, if not the next round and call it a day. There's really no excuse for Stenhouse or Allgaier to miss the race when three cars lined up easily would've broken the 188/50 second barrier. 76. cjs3872 posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's not forget the root of the #17 team missing the race, and that's how bad they've run all year long. Sure NASCAR has made qualifying for the plate races a joke by using the group sessions, but the #17 team missed the race because of how poorly they've run all year. 77. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to Marty Smith, Stenhouse says he will not attempt to drive someone else's car tomorrow. So he will in fact be missing the race. Like I've been saying, I think this is a good move by him. Hopefully he will come back better as a result of this. 78. Sky Warrior posted: 10.18.2014 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well he earns some respect from me for that. I hate when bigger teams throw their money around to bully the smaller ones because things didn't go their way 79. Corey posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For all we know, Stenhouse might be relieved that he doesn't have to race at Talladega. 80. Feetduck posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt bush fails to make the second Atlanta 2001 race then one year later he wins the race in 2002 81. cjs3872 posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well, as it turned out, Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. missed this race by 0.006 seconds. That's the margin by which Reed Sorenson sneaked into the field ahead of Tony Stewart (he was actually 0.005 seconds faster than Stewart, but would have lost a tie-breaker due to owner points if they had run the same speed). Had Sorenson been one-tenth of a second slower after Joe Nemechek's disallowed time, Stewart would have been 36th-fastest and made the field on time, and Stenhouse would have gotten a provisional starting spot, with Sorenson then going home. But seriously, NASCAR needs to do away with the group qualifying on the plate tracks. It seems to be fine everywhere else, but it's made plate qualifying a complete and utter joke. Go back to the traditional single car runs on the plate tracks, because then it really shows who's brought the best cars to the track. 82. NASCAR Reality posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (14) That little Brandt rich kid Allgaier misses the field...YES!! YES!! YES!! Maybe he will lose that sponsor dough and be out of NASCAR soon!!! Thanks NASCAR, I LOVED today's qualifying format!!! It proved who the real drivers are, and who the smart drivers are!!! Way to go NASCAR!!! :D!!! 83. Sky Warrior posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I felt myself losing IQ points reading that post 84. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @82 well, you're a troll. And if you're not, here's a shocker. Every person in the field is a rich kid. There are no fat farmers from the countryside or young and upcoming city slicks who made it to this point through hard work or dedication. Everything is about money. You just seem to have a personal hate towards Allgaier for some reason, I don't really care. As for the qualifying format, just why? Was there anything wrong with single car qualifying runs? Everytime nascar makes a move or change, it becomes a joke. I know other racing series have group qualifying sessions but guess what, this isn't one of those racing series and current nascar will never be anything more than false hype, crummy racing, unbearable personalities and off-track drama. 85. jabber1990 posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I believe NASCAR is upset because the paint job wasn't approved beforehand. It sounded like it has to be declared, which leads me to ask a bunch of questions. Source: Steve O'Donnell told this to Claire B Lang 86. 02Justin10 posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I kinda echo the thoughts of Anon poster #84, I never once thought that qualifying needed to be changed and made more "exciting". First off, I mean, has NASCAR seen their track attendance and tv figures decline the last couple years? And would spicing up qualifying really help that? They should be more concerned about their on track product and how the cars race. And I hope the Stenhouse and Allgaier DNQ's don't force NASCAR into making another unnecessary rules change (aka, the top 35 locked in after Wimmer and Riggs' DNQ's at Atlanta in 2004.) The top 35 rule was the most hated thing about racing during the time NASCAR did it. Everywhere on social media people are bitching "Since when does a regular in the Sprint Cup Series not get to race, ridiculous?" I just shake my head because in essence nobody should be guaranteed into any race. But whatever. I'll save any potential longer rant for later. 87. jabber1990 posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In using fastest 43: #17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Out using fastest 43: #24 Jeff Gordon" irrelevant, #24 Jeff Gordon has a PCP And was that Finch who kept changing his car number one year to keep using provisionals? 88. MAR posted: 10.18.2014 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse and alligiar missing the race is a complete shock i know i said roush was gonna die last week when bayne missed the race but this is a complete shock. Also nascar needs to dump this ridiculous qualifying format at Daytona and Talladega i mean its nice to see new names qualifying at the top and underdogs making races but the fastest cars should make the races. Also the provisional system sucks compared to what it was back in the late 90s early 00s nothing against Reed Sorenson but Ricky Stenhouse is higher in points so why not reward the guy who higher in points like they did in the old days almost everything in nascar makes no sense now a days. Last of all RFR needs to seriously reevaluate their program what happened to them the last two weeks could be disaster for the future or a wake up call to make big changes. 89. epzik8 posted: 10.18.2014 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The drivers with good equipment (like Earnhardt, Johnson) should be up front in no time. 90. cjs3872 posted: 10.18.2014 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MAR (#88), what happened was that when Joe Nemechek's time was disallowed, that meant that Reed Sorenson, who was the 37th-fastest during qualifications, moved into the top 36, thus making the field on time. As I mentioned in post #81, Sorenson was less than a tenth of a second faster than Tony Stewart (0.005 seconds, to be exact), and that's what got him into the field, not a provisional starting spot, because Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. would have been next-in-line for a provisional, if Tony Stewart would have inherited the final spot on time. 91. RaceFanX posted: 10.18.2014 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @87 That was A.J. Foyt's team in 2003. They suddenly switched from #14 to #50 and back but there could have been some other reasoning there though (didn't they test with a #50 and NASCAR ask them to run it?) 92. d posted: 10.18.2014 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seems to be a lot of posts that Stenhouse missing is reason for Roush to evaluate their program. While they have been garbage, he missed the show because they were too dumb to realize that it takes 50 seconds to get around the track and they tried to outsmart the pack by laying back with a group to the point where they didn't have time to get the green flag on a flying lap. Is there are worse system of determining whether a guy got a lap in than a camera on the wall pointing down the straightaway where the flagman represents the deadline? They should have a camera straight down the line with an nba-like shot clock to show when the clock specifically hits 0. 93. cjs3872 posted: 10.18.2014 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No, @92. They missed the field because of how poorly they've run all year long. If they had been running better, then they would have been higher in the points standings, and possibly beat out Kyle Larson (everyone else that needed a provisional happen to be in the Chase, except for Tony Stewart). Their tactics in this particular qualifying session put them in position to wait on a provisional, but their missing the race was more a result of not running better and being in the mid-20s in owner points. And while the tactics of the #17 team and the seven others that needed provisionals (the 4, 11, 14, 18, 22, 24, and 42 teams) were more than a bit to be desired, the real fault here lies on the group qualifying, which is an utter disaster on the plate tracks. It works good everywhere else, but it's a disaster at the plate tracks, because where you start is more about luck than it is anything else. Didn't the backwards grid from the Firecracker 400 show that? They need to can the group qualifying on the plate tracks and go back to single-car runs, regardless of how long and tedious it is. At least they have qualifying races for the Daytona 500 to help straighten out the mess that's likely to occur there if they go with this insane group qualifying for the Daytona 500. And epzik8 (#89), Jimmie Johnson's already up front, having qualified second, so he doesn't have to do anything to get up there, though two of his teammates, Dale, Jr. and Jeff Gordon will have to go some to get there, and I don't think they're going anywhere any time soon in the race, but if nothing happens, they'll be up there when it counts, and the same is true of the other heavy hitters starting in the back (Harvick, Logano, Stewart, Hamlin, Ky. Busch, etc.). 94. An Aussie Commentator posted: 10.18.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is bigger ramifications for Justin Allgaier by missing this race. Both Michael Anett and Cole Whitt are just 12 points behind Justin Allgaier in the ROTY standings. Scenarios for Michael Anett and Cole Whitt to overtake Justin Allgaier (Michael Anett and Cole Whitt are on the same score) If both Larson and Dillon have issues and Michael Annett and Cole Whitt finish 7th or better, they will BOTH jump Justin Allgaier in the ROTY standings. Oh and for whoever it was that was wondering who would win between Danica Patrick and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. If they were the only two running for ROTY this year, I can tell you that with Stenhouse's DNQ, just by starting the race Danica eats up ALL of Stenhouse's ROTY lead. If Danica finishes 10th or better, she overtakes Stenhouse for the ROTY lead. 95. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @94 are you considering that only the best 17 races count for rookie points? 96. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.18.2014 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here are my thoughts on a couple of events that have happened so far: Terry Labonte's "last race": I haven't mentioned it much since Terry has not run a full-time season since 2004, but he is one of my very favorite drivers from my child years of watching NASCAR. So many of today's drivers could stand to watch Terry on how to conduct themselves on and off the track, too. Hopefully this really will be his last race and that he doesn't go back on it like he did after 2006; it'd be nice to see Terry retire with a good finish. Ricky Stenhouse's DNQ: Yes, it is surprising at first glance seeing as the #17 is fielded by Roush Racing and is fully funded with a driver behind the wheel who really is a good race car driver (who seems to have trouble figuring out how to focus the way he needs to succeed on the big stage). And, like murb said, I hope he doesn't go in the #21 for tomorrow's race considering Trevor Bayne himself missed the show just last week. Eventually when you are low enough in points or you don't have owner points, you're going to have a bad qualifying run (sometimes in a session where even a lot of teams on a hot streak will have a bad qualifying lap) and end up missing the race (it's just that NASCAR has been so watered down the past 5 years or so that some people have to get used to seeing this happen again). Just ask Kurt Busch about his DNQ in 2001, or Biffle about his 2003 Vegas DNQ. 97. cjs3872 posted: 10.19.2014 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) And this has happened to the best of them, both in terms of drivers and teams, RCRandPenskeGuy. In 1998, Michael Waltrip missed the race at Phoenix driving for the Wood Brothers, despite the fact that he was 16th in points entering that race, and the year before in 1997, his older brother Darrell missed the fall race at Charlotte despite being 20th in points, and of course, there were drivers and teams in similar positions in points that missed races near the end of the 2004 season because teams in the Chase put extra cars in to protect their Chase drivers. And the craziest one of all was Jeff Burton missing the spring race in Atlanta in 1996 while second in points and Dale Jarrett nearly missing the same race while the points leader and newly crowned Daytona 500 winner for the second time, because they were driving for new teams and were not eligible for a provisional. So freak things like this sometimes happen. 98. JP88 posted: 10.19.2014 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. The main problem is not the format. It's the amount of time...they gave them 5 minutes. You play little games on pit road and a couple minutes might go by. It takes probably over a minute from pit road to get up to speed and get to the line, and almost another minute for a lap. Everyone should be together and the 1st round by 20 minutes. Or just do single file runs 99. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:25 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Group qualifying works just fine for anything that's not a plate track. It's a complete disaster as Daytona/Talladega though. 100. JoeFan#8 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The group qualifying is just fine. Just the dumb-ass drivers that try and wait til the last second, and the ones that slow down out there and almost cause crashes cause they don't want someone else maybe benefiting, are the reason why it LOOKS bad. Make a rule that they have to go out within say 30-45 secs or so, or you will not be scored. Or heat races maybe. 101. MAR posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Michael waltrip should give up his ride to Allgaier i mean it only makes sense michael isnt even on planning to be competitive he wasn't in his other plate races 102. 23andJoe posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) >And was that Finch who kept changing his car number one year to keep using provisionals? >That was A.J. Foyt's team in 2003. They suddenly switched from #14 to #50 and back but there could have been some other reasoning there though (didn't they test with a #50 and NASCAR ask them to run it?) Actually you're both wrong. You're thinking of Front Row Motorsports and their game of musical cars to keep Kevin Conway and the Extenze cash in the field in the 37, er I mean the 38, ah I mean the 34, in the field during 2010*. * Well the first two-thirds of it, anyway, before Conway took the Extenze cash to Robby Gordon and the 7, oops I mean the 07... 103. An Aussie Commentator posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Slight correction, having taken everything for the best 17 events, Danica Patrick, being 12 points behind Stenhouse, instead of 10, but now the scenarios for Cole Whitt and Michael Anett jumping Justin Allgaier now apply to Danica Patrick jumping Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. 104. Corey86 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In using fastest 43: #17 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Out using fastest 43: #24 Jeff Gordon" If the rules were the fastest 43 then, I doubt all those chase drivers would have chanced missing the race like that. 105. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think Michael waltrip should give up his ride to Allgaier i mean it only makes sense michael isnt even on planning to be competitive he wasn't in his other plate races " Ignoring the laps led at the Daytona 500 this year and the two top-5s last year, of course. 106. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That little Brandt rich kid Allgaier misses the field...YES!! YES!! YES!! Maybe he will lose that sponsor dough and be out of NASCAR soon!!! Thanks NASCAR, I LOVED today's qualifying format!!! It proved who the real drivers are, and who the smart drivers are!!! Way to go NASCAR!!! :D!!! " You're girlfriend dumped you for Justin, right? 107. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "irrelevant, #24 Jeff Gordon has a PCP" I thought the pcp had a shelf life. This is year #13 for The Drive For Five. I thought you had to have won a championship in the last 10 years. Or is that The Winston? Also, is now a bad time to mention that in Dale's 22 year Cup career (this is Jeff's 22nd season), his longest championship drought was 6 years? Or that the year Dale turned 43 (Jeff turned 43 this year) he won his 7th Winston Cup, while Jeff is STILL looking for #5. Dale's longest time between Top 2 points finishes is 5 seasons, Jeff is currently on a 6 season skid. Jeff has 10 Top 5 points finishes, with #11 pretty much inevitable this year (unless he collapses in the Fall like Jeff Gor.... uh oh), Dale had 14. Also, is now a bad time to mention that, barring a JJ miracle win today and them finding speed these last 4 races, Jeff will FINALLY finish ahead of JJ in points for the first time since his rookie season in 2002 (12 years ago)? Alright, I'm through trolling Rainbow Nation for now. 108. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Seeing that Gordon has the record for worst starting position of all Talladega winners, the above post was pretty much just another show of typical arrogant behavior typical of all Earnhardt fans. 109. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @102 Actually I think "both right" may be the better answer as both Front Row and Foyt tried similar tricks. 110. Gregg33 posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) NASCAR is a joke. Time trials worked for 60 years, but they had to change it to this crap. One of many reasons my interest in NASCAR went from being a diehard fan to only spending 5 minutes a week checking the results on this site. I haven't watched an entire race on TV in 2 or 3 years. All this "Hollywood", try to make racing like a stick and ball sport, trying to make the sport appeal to the lowest common denominator and spoiled rich kid drivers has turned me off big-time. I now follow IndyCar racing religiously, as well as ARCA, USAC, WoO etc. Don't get me wrong those series have some of the same problems NASCAR does, but much, much, much less so. 111. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. The main problem is not the format. It's the amount of time...they gave them 5 minutes. You play little games on pit road and a couple minutes might go by. It takes probably over a minute from pit road to get up to speed and get to the line, and almost another minute for a lap. Everyone should be together and the 1st round by 20 minutes. Or just do single file runs." They had a 25 minute session(1st round) in the spring and at Daytona in July. Instead of playing games on pit road, they played them on the track, running at half speed and waiting for a fast pack to come so they could catch them and get a quick time. If non-single car qualifying is going to continue on plate tracks, perhaps they should put groups of 5-6 cars together based on practice speeds; similar to how Cup and N'wide ran road course qualifying for a couple of years. Each group gets 5 minutes to put out a best time and then they're done. 112. MAR posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:11 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @#105 Michael Waltrip did lead 5 laps at Daytona under green when he streched his fuel longer than anybody on green flag pit stops. He mostly was the last car in the draft at all 3 plate races this year this race is already gonna have half the field laying back already so why watch a washed up car owner join them in the back. 113. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.19.2014 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's a complete disaster as Daytona/Talladega though." Oh it works, it is just that the toolboxes in the cars overthink it. The drivers said they were angery and confused. Is it really that hard for you guys too go ask NASCAR questions about it? Heavens above, for people too be "amoung the best in the world" they certainly act like "the stupidest people in the world." While 5 mintues isn't nearly longer enough (and stupid too boot), NASCAR did it too prevent sandbagging. Sadly the drivers made NASCAR look stupid by playing games on BOTH pit road and on the track. I think the drivers need their heads examined but i'm pretty sure we'd find nothing in their heads. "NASCAR is a joke. Time trials worked for 60 years, but they had to change it to this crap. One of many reasons my interest in NASCAR went from being a diehard fan to only spending 5 minutes a week checking the results on this site. I haven't watched an entire race on TV in 2 or 3 years. All this "Hollywood", try to make racing like a stick and ball sport, trying to make the sport appeal to the lowest common denominator and spoiled rich kid drivers has turned me off big-time. I now follow IndyCar racing religiously, as well as ARCA, USAC, WoO etc. Don't get me wrong those series have some of the same problems NASCAR does, but much, much, much less so." You say it is a joke and that you have not watched a race in 2-3 years and yet here you are complaining about it. Typical. 114. Quasar posted: 10.19.2014 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) First Top 10 start for Kvapil since his pole in 2008. 115. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 12:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "First Top 10 start for Kvapil since his pole in 2008." Yeah, the pole came at this very race. I remember because that was the first race I ever watched from start-to-finish; hence why this race (and Talladega in general) has a special place in my heart. 116. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Helton apparently honored Terry Labonte in the drivers meeting and thanked him "for being part of our sport". That's pretty cool to tribute an older veteran like that. 117. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's to Labonte! And, the Dogecar driven by Josh Wise returns again today! Hoping both Wise and Labonte get good finishes! 118. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.19.2014 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Helton apparently honored Terry Labonte in the drivers meeting and thanked him "for being part of our sport". That's pretty cool to tribute an older veteran like that." Out of all the 3 (Brian, Helton and Robin) i like Helton the most, because of stuff like that. Good job Mike. 119. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The montage at the beginning of countdown just showed crashes. There must be more to life then this. 120. kevin20fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A. J. Foyt's team did actually change from #14 to #50 midway through the season. The reason was because the #14 was almost out of provisionals and they wanted to save one for the Indianapolis race. 121. Anonymous posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The pre race show is on. That's an improvement from last week. 122. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red Byron, Bill Rexford, Rex White, Ned Jarrett, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, and Jimmie Johnson: What have these former Cup champions never done in their respective careers (to date)? 123. startandparkfan posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) does anybody know what labonte's car looks like now after nascar made them change it? 124. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol, David must be ecstatic after BSPN played Queen during that last segment. 125. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "does anybody know what labonte's car looks like now after nascar made them change it?" Solely Kellogg's colors. Not as cool as the previous scheme, but it's still great to send him off with. 126. David posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lol, David must be ecstatic after BSPN played Queen during that last segment." I would, but alas, I don't have cable/satellite television. I listen to the radio stations for non-FOX events. Even then, I don't live and die by Queen (though I was listening to Live at the Rainbow just now). Which song was it anyway, or can I guess what it was? 127. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OMG OMG OMG!!! QUEEN?!?!?! WOOOOOOOOOOOO! 128. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I would, but alas, I don't have cable/satellite television. I listen to the radio stations for non-FOX events. Even then, I don't live and die by Queen (though I was listening to Live at the Rainbow just now). Which song was it anyway, or can I guess what it was?" It was "Under Pressure" (which makes sense seeing how much ESPN is promoting the "pressure" angle after last week's events and with this week being Talladega). 129. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No takers on the trivia? 130. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I hope they play 'Another One Bites the Dust' when Dos Jotas is eliminated. 131. David posted: 10.19.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm still thinking about it, Hinch. 132. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Red Byron, Bill Rexford, Rex White, Ned Jarrett, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, and Jimmie Johnson: What have these former Cup champions never done in their respective careers (to date)?" None of them have ever raced at Le Mans or visited my kitchen but I doubt either of those is the answer. 133. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Always the Kellogg's colors... Don't get me wrong I love Terry and like the tribute scheme, but the Piedmont colors look better, especially with Kellogg's actually being the current sponsor of an opponent. 134. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A military band. Well done. 135. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How fast was that semi coming through the tri-oval in the pre-race ceremony? It was running bobtail but he was HAULING! 136. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "None of them have ever raced at Le Mans or visited my kitchen but I doubt either of those is the answer." *Slap* 137. Sean posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Red Byron, Bill Rexford, Rex White, Ned Jarrett, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, and Jimmie Johnson: What have these former Cup champions never done in their respective careers (to date)?" Win at every track on the schedule? There was a period when Petty/Pearson/Yarborough HAD done this (until Watkins Glen was added in 1986) and you didn't list them so this COULD be the answer. 138. Anonymous posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2 questions from the mailbag this week, must be making up from having none last week. We get to see the green flag this week, that's an improvement from last week. 139. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They never DNQ'd? 140. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOOOHOOO UNDER PRESSURE AGAIN YAY!!! QUEEN FOREVER!!!!!! 141. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Win at every track on the schedule? There was a period when Petty/Pearson/Yarborough HAD done this (until Watkins Glen was added in 1986) and you didn't list them so this COULD be the answer. " No... these champions are the only drivers in their club that I am speaking of. The list is exclusive, so you could add drivers like Bobby Labonte to the list of those who have not won at every track on the schedule. 142. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) racefangurl wins! 143. Smiff_2 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This.....will be interesting... lol 144. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just guessed that because of all the DNQ talk here this weekend. 145. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards intentionally goes from 5th to 25th. 146. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope T-Bayne wins today. I want him to get one more win with the Wood Brothers and given the circumstance, today's his best chance to do that. As long as he avoids the Big One, that is. 147. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's especially impressive when you consider that the first 4 on that list drove in an era where the fastest 25 drivers started a 25 car race regardless of who they were (look at how many USAC races have Gordon Johncock, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, or one of the Unser brothers on the DNQ list). 148. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Blaney leads the first lap of his career. 149. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson leads the opening lap but now Ryan Blaney is leading a Sprint Cup race for the first time in his careet. Josh Wise is just outside the top-20 in the famous Dogecoin "Meme Machine" #98 Ford. 150. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The parade begins :( 151. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nearly everyone is single file now. 152. luigistarted06 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Wallace Already Pulled Off 153. Anonymous posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The last 2 Talladega races have ended single file under caution on the backstretch. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens again. 154. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is awesome! Blaney is the dominant car so far! 155. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After years of sponsoring Tommy Baldwin Racing's #36 it's weird to see Golden Corral restaurant's sponsoring Michael Annett's #7 Chevrolet in this race instead. What's the black Redd's Apple Ale scheme on Brad Keselowski's #2 Ford for? A new spinoff product? 156. Unser1 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ancient NASCAR Wisdom: Never beat against the #48 when the Chase is involved in their fate. Jimmie Johnson retakes the lead. 157. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Michael Annett drives for Tommy Baldwin as well, so how is that car having the Golden Corral sponsorship weird? 158. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's the black Redd's Apple Ale scheme on Brad Keselowski's #2 Ford for? A new spinoff product? Yeah, part of the Miller family. They were on BK's car a couple times last yeartoo. 159. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Looks like every Hendrick powered car in the field, including Ganassi and Haas, has been told to help Hendrick's precious. 160. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2009 AMP Energy 500 part deux 161. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think it's really funny that Junior has kicked Johnson's ass all year long, and now that they both need the same circumstances to advance, Junebug's been kicked to the curb. 162. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr hasn't been given the memo...yet. 163. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope Johnson gets caught in the Big One. Then all the Hendrick cars will probably have to help Jr. 164. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm going to laugh if among all this Chase talk all these guys get bumped out of the chase when a Talladega underdog upset comes out of nowhere with Landon Cassill or Michael Annett going to victory lane instead. 165. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) NASCAR saved Danica's restrictor plate from the '13 Daytona 500 for Dos Jotas. 166. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^It would definitely be fate coming back to bite them in the ass. Chad right now is proving how much he needs to have the entire operation (including satellite teams) centered around his one driver to even be competitive right now. 167. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick's windshield is covered in liquid. Meanwhile Boiled Brad takes the lead. 168. Sean posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even here, it's an all Hendrick/Penske show. Depressing. I hoped someone else would have a chance here... 169. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The black Redd's Apple Ale scheme on Brad K's car is to promote a new drink called Redd's Wicked Apple. Nice to see the #2 back in black ala Rusty's best years and now Keselowski is leading. Mike Wallace is back on the track and getting lapped in the #49 Royal Teak entry. 170. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey and Trevor are both in the top-10! YEAH! 171. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh boy, Burnout's leading... 172. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They were both in the top-5 just a bit ago and both are top-6 now. 173. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Time for a regulation change... Hendrick is no longer the best team in the sport... 174. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) The worst part of this year is the HORRIFIC Hendrick-Penske domination. They have won SO MUCh and it's so annoying. The only thing that would make it less competitve is if it actually matters what make you drove. 175. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Says a lot about Johnson's plate abilities that he needs all 20 or so Chevies dedicating they're race to helping him just to keep him ahead of 3 Fords and a Toyota. 176. Jracingfast posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One can only wonder how Johnson can get that big enough of a.gap a nd not.get fraight trained.. 177. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think this has been a really good race so far. I'm glad both lines are able to move. 178. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Trevor's 2nd! YEAAAAAAAAA! 179. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why did Gordon pit alone? 180. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica's 2nd now. Oh what a restrictor plate can do, right? 181. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nevermind, he'll blend in with the upcoming pack. 182. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sandbag 500 or the Jimmie Johnson Benefit 500? 183. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^How about the "Karma's a Bitch 500" 184. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seeing that Gordon gained 22 spots, I'd say pitting alone worked for him. Stewart and Danica are a full second a lap faster than the rest of the field right now. 185. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And just like that he drops to the back again. Make up your mind! 186. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If this were 2004 I'd say there was a chance this race may go caution free(like it did in '02). But today's NASCAR would never let that happen. 187. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Single file racing that we're seeing right now is one of the reasons that NASCAR's Popularity is falling off a cliff. 188. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wish it would go caution free. For some reason I love caution-free restrictor plate races. 189. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This race has been more political than Election Day. 190. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry is about to go a lap down :( 191. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Seriously, am I the only one who likes this race? I'd obviously rather not have the #48 and the #2 up there leading, but the overall racing has been badass. 192. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree Speedworld, I too hope it goes caution free. 193. joey2448 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHOOOOAAAAA!!! BIG ONE!!!! 194. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love that everyone has a chance and there is a lot of shuffling going on. It's a good race so far. Look at Reed Sorenson in the #36 up to fourth! And the Iceman has been lapped. Bummer. 195. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I seriously hope this race goes caution free. 196. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crap I think I jinxed it. 197. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now Logano and McMurray crash, just as I wish for it to go caution free. 198. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just as I say that... 199. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks caution-free fans. You jinxed it. 200. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There goes my picks... I had McMurray winning. Sh*t!! 201. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right Hinch, the political nature of this race due in part to its position in the Chase. 202. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nope. Caution. Jamie McMurray and Joey logano crash, as does Michael Mcdowell. (NOOO!) 203. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MacMary knocked into BK's car before he spun around. 204. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had McDowell in my top-10 too! Double sh*t! 205. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Blaney's behind Trevor and he's gonna succeed him in the 21. 206. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry Labonte gets the lucky dog. 207. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Jamie Mac either had a tire go down or got oil on his tires. Either way both he and Logano got damage. Fortunately Logano's already through to the next round of the chase. 208. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano and McMurray got the brunt of it but Brad Keselowski and Michael McDowell are also involved. McDowell was having a great run but the #95 appears pretty torn up. Keselowski's car doesn't appear to have much if any damage. 209. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Minor damage to the #2, they are extending their pit stop to fix it. 210. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) OMG I WANT TO BREAK FREE OPTIMUM COMMERCIAL!!! QUEEN IS THE GREATEST!!!! 211. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Good thing Joey has a win from earlier in the round. I bet that saves him. And if he wins one of the next 3 or is top-4 after Phoenix, he's in the final four. I hope that happens. 212. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Keselowski is still on pit road. 213. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Good thing Joey has a win from earlier in the round. I bet that saves him. And if he wins one of the next 3 or is top-4 after Phoenix, he's in the final four. I hope that happens. 214. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Trevor's still out there and ugh didn't mean to double post. 215. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch's got damage too. 216. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Talladega in recent years has resembled an event that WCW held in November from 1995-1998 which featured a 3 ring 60 man battle royal called World War 3 217. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Every car involved in the accident managed to stay on the lead lap except Logano" Yea, checks out just right if you see McMurray is shown 2 places behind Joey... I want competent commentators. 218. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Many upsets at the top. 219. DB1995 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both Ganassi cars are apparently leaking fluid out the back, Trevor Bayne reported his back bumper was dirty like oil was on it. 220. DB1995 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mcmurray was on the lead lap until he had to pit to fix a tire rub 221. joey2448 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I was there, I'd be cheering not because Junior took the lead, but because Jimmie lost it. 222. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Must be loud at 'Dega. I don't have ESPN and our computer speakers aren't hooked up right, but when Jr. takes the lead, they talk about the noise. I know this from times a race Jr. led laps at in the past 3 years wasn't on cable. 223. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The front pack is now entirely single file. 224. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boy 2nd-5th houses some of the crappiest plate racers the sport has to offer at the moment. 225. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) UNDER PRESSURE WOO! 226. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) upsets in the top 10. Danica Patrick 3rd Casey Mears 4th 227. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Kenseth's finally started making his way towards the front. 228. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race hasn't even been on that long and we're already past halfway. 229. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is a repeat of last year's parade. Nobody wants to be that guy who starts an accident. 230. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Huge crash. Kyle's Chase might be over. 231. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big one. Kyle Busch is in it and then some. 232. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Big crash, Kyle Busch kills his race car. He won't be making it through. 233. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Very big one. Kyle Busch's car is totaled. 234. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The big one has struck 235. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both BK Racing cars were taken out in that. 236. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Newman's got a flat tire but should be fine. Aric Almirola's tore up. J.J. Yeley's #83 is trashed on the superstretch. 237. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) People are forgetting that Kyle Busch was sitting quite strong pointswise even in a worst-case scenario like this. 238. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry Labonte's involved. He spun after contact from Brian Vickers. Rowdy crashed after Austin Dillon hit him. 239. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry spun in that, but I think he's alright. 240. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Terry Labonte is involved, looks like no damage though. Nice save I should add. 241. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) This single file racing is coma inducing but the more pressing question is do the drivers even care anymore. 242. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Even if they fix that 18 car, there's no way that thing will make minimum speed. If one of Johnson/Keselowski/Earnhardt gets a top five (seems VERY likely), he's most likely out. 243. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Big One could change the picture dramatically. Maybe some of the bubble drivers, that is, the ones not involved are safer now. 244. Cumulonimbus posted: 10.19.2014 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Oh man, you gotta feel sorry for Kyle(even though it's Kyle Busch after all) after seeing that on-board replay. He played it safe the whole race, eased up as soon as he saw there's trouble ahead and got run over. 245. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now the race is just past halfway so it is possible more Chase drivers in the same position as Busch can wreck and minimize the points impact. 246. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How in the hell did Kyle manage to get himself in that wreck? 247. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah see, as they run now Kyle is only 1 point to the good. He's gonna need those other guys to have problems (not ruling it out, but Kahne, Dale Jr, Brad, and Jimmie all look like they are gonna get good finishes out of this). 248. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This single file racing is coma inducing but the more pressing question is do the drivers even care anymore." The racing will pick up, just wait and see. It really hasn't even been that horrible, to be honest. 249. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jarrettfan88 if it were me I would go out there and give those so called drivers a piece of my mind for the piss poor effort that they're giving us today. 250. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "How in the hell did Kyle manage to get himself in that wreck?" Cowboy Hat forgot where the brake pedal was. 251. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Total accident tally? 252. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) I know I pick on Gordon for his relative downturn in personality performance in championship battles after October hits, but there has never been a choker like KyBu. 253. loomer posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Austin Dillon once again shows his prodigal talent 254. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #3 car still making an impact at Talladega. Now if that had been Gordon instead of Busch, a majority of NASCAR fandom including many on Racing-Reference would spontaneously combust. 255. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone's going to miss the cutoff by only 1 or 2 points. 256. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Austin Dillon once again shows his prodigal talent" Reminiscent of Daytona, eh? 257. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As of right now, Kyle Busch will end this race with 3085 points. As long as Junior and Johnson don't win, the most either one could have is 3075. The best Keselowski can do without winning is 3082. Either way, Busch is in. 258. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If its true the bubble drivers are safer now, Ben Lowe will give them a piece of his mind WWE pipe bomb CM Punk style. 259. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I can't believe people are complaining about this race. I guess if we don't have 88 lead changes it doesn't qualify as a good race. 260. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Cassill! 261. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassil leads! 262. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I can't believe people are complaining about this race. I guess if we don't have 88 lead changes it doesn't qualify as a good race. " Apparently. There have been better Dega's from a racing perspective, but you can't every race be an instant classic. Does anyone have an attention span anymore? 263. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As of right now, Kyle Busch will end this race with 3085 points. As long as Junior and Johnson don't win, the most either one could have is 3075. The best Keselowski can do without winning is 3082. Either way, Busch is in." Kahne's only a point back from Kyle, though (last I saw). 264. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ben Lowe will give them a piece of his mind WWE pipe bomb CM Punk style" Kyle Busch, while you lay there, hopefully as uncomfortable as you can be, I want you to listen ...... I have a lot of things I wanna get off my chest! But seriously, Gordon was right in front of Kyle and he just calmly eased up a bit, found the opening, and went through. The New And Improved Jeff Gordon slowed way down and got run over. Could The New Dale Earnhardt have avoided that? Yeah. But Kyle did himself no favors. 265. Sean posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I know I pick on Gordon for his relative downturn in personality performance in championship battles after October hits, but there has never been a choker like KyBu." Helio Castroneves. "I can't believe people are complaining about this race. I guess if we don't have 88 lead changes it doesn't qualify as a good race." I'm annoyed because it's been mostly Hendrick/Penske domination and I expected this was the only race where that wasn't going to happen for the rest of the season. 266. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well Shrub just dropped to 3083 since McMurray and Wallace passed him. 267. Sector posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You are forgetting Kenseth, who was 9th in points. Kyle can still miss the cutoff 268. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @259 These guys would kill themselves watching an F1 race. 269. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) People were speaking of Junior, Johnson, and Kes. Kahne's inevitably going to blow it at some point, so I pretty much ignored him. Kenseth is the main opposition. People are forgetting that out of Junior, Johnson, and Kes only one can advance. 270. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm annoyed because it's been mostly Hendrick/Penske domination and I expected this was the only race where that wasn't going to happen for the rest of the season." I'm talking about the actual on track product. I'm annoyed too with Johnson and Keselowski being two of the three best cars, but I don't think there's any denying that the actual on track racing has been very good. 271. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even Junior moves out of the way to help Dos Jotas! 272. Sean posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm annoyed too with Johnson and Keselowski being two of the three best cars, but I don't think there's any denying that the actual on track racing has been very good." Then there are those of us who are biased against restrictor plate racing to begin with and see basically every race as impure. I prefer separation to full-on pack racing, so I guess this is better than average, but it would take a lot for me to say I actually enjoy a plate race at this point. 273. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Kyle is done. Like I said, even if they fix that car, that's not making minimum speed. He's DNFing today, so he's gonna need an absolute miracle to advance here. 274. Unser1 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just say Jimmie Johnson, I can't understand the Dos Jotas thing. 275. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) No I'm not interested in seeing 88 lead changes at every Talladega race nor am I dying to see exciting single file racing every time NASCAR comes to Talladega but what would interest me is if NASCAR decided to let the drivers race at Talladega without the plates. 276. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) There's probably team orders at play here to make sure Jimmie wins. 277. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Polesitter Brian Vickers gets lapped, he got damaged in the wreck and has lost the draft. 278. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "There's probably team orders at play here to make sure Jimmie wins. " I think that's pretty obviously a program wide scam, with Ganassi and Stewart-Haas also in on the act. 279. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) After this race, I never want to see a Nascar fan give F1 any shit over team orders ever again. 280. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boring train going on. 281. Sean posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In all fairness, that's been going on at plate races for decades. I'm thinking in particular of that '91 Dega race where Earnhardt won and all the Chevies were helping him while all the Fords were fighting with each other with regard to who should be the one to challenge Earnhardt, allowing Earnhardt to run off with it... 282. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In all fairness, that's been going on at plate races for decades. I'm thinking in particular of that '91 Dega race where Earnhardt won and all the Chevies were helping him while all the Fords were fighting with each other with regard to who should be the one to challenge Earnhardt, allowing Earnhardt to run off with it... " It is ridiculous though to issue the orders to help the driver who has been easily the worst Chevy driver in the Chase. 283. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 6 time has the inside line for the bonus points for leading the most laps. 284. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought maybe we'd see a spoiler. Time will tell. 285. Sean posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It actually looks like Kyle will probably still make it as long as Johnson/Junior/Keselowski don't win, although it seems likely that one of them will win. 286. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Do you realize that, as the points stand now, the two winless wonders (Kenseth and Newman) will advance while the 4 that will be eliminated have 12 wins combined. While I wouldn't mind seeing those 4 eliminated on a personal level (Kyle is a Super Mega Jerk, JJ has put the entire sport to sleep, Jr gets way too much attention, and Brad can kiss my ass) wasn't this new, ultra gimmicked system supposed to promote winning? Man Brian France is a moron. And on an unrelated note, the Saints and Falcons do realize that the Panthers are not a good team this year, right? Cause they are doing their best to hand us the division. 287. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allen, a pancaked car is more than debris. 288. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Michael McDowell crashes again and brings out the caution 289. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry's still running with the lead pack, albeit one lap down. McDowell into the wall, Terry back on the lead lap! Whoo-hoo! 290. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yellow for McDowell hitting the wall. 291. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought maybe we'd see a spoiler. Time will tell. Btw, Trevor Bayne's the best Roush driver out there at this point and he's in the Wood Brother car. Oh, that's right the car came from Roush, just like the driver. 292. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McDowell gets the outside wall and the #95 Ford looks done for the day or at least an extended repair session. Did he crash before or after the debris caution came out? 293. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #32 gets back where he belongs. Nice! 294. epzik8 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lot of drivers have been all over the leaderboard today. 295. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Did he crash before or after the debris caution came out?" He was the debris caution. 296. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) VERY VERY large debris... 297. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @DSFF in order for the Falcons to do anything in the division, they need to first find a defense and an offensive line that isn't made out of dudes from the street. That performance against the Ravens was embarrassing. 298. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One of two things will happen. Antsy drivers run together or single file train. 299. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle's getting ready to come back out. 300. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jimmie is using only 50% throttle. If he used 100% and just pulled away from everyone it'd look suspicious. 301. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FFS. Prefect opportunity to let Johnson fall back, everybody falls in line with him. And they wonder why he has beaten them all for 6 championships... 302. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bingo TS1420... This is Jimmie's best Talladega race ever. 303. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Bingo TS1420... This is Jimmie's best Talladega race ever. " Especially considering his shitty plate abilities, even with two wins here... 304. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick looks like Jimmie's bag man. 305. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Seems like this is just a Chevy-wide scheme. 306. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is kind of like that 2004 Fall Talladega race where DEI entered an extra #00 for Kenny Wallace, set up the #15 and #00 to just push Dale Jr., and then had Mikey and Kenny weave across all 4 lanes of racing surface for the duration of the race. 307. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson making crazy manuvers 308. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You know, if Jimmie's not careful, he could end up causing a huge ass wreck doing chop blocks like that. 309. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wait here comes Biffle up to pull a 2013 Daytona 500 bag job. 310. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Aand I'm totally sure this isn't blocking... Would love it sooo mush to see a certain car wreck himself off a neon yellow bumper. 311. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) This race should be renamed from the GEICO 500 to the Chevrolet/HMS Helping Jimmie Johnson Advance In The Chase 500. 312. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Jimmie has the Hendrick Engine special. He's gonna win. That was pretty blatant repassing Harvick with no help. 313. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Maybe Baker had something when he predicted that this race would be rigged... but I still suspect somebody, Chevy or elsewhere, is going to say "To hell with this!" and pass him a la Gordon in 2007. Even my psycho Johnson fan mother is tired of him... 314. joey2448 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Man with the aggressive blocks Jimmie's putting on the field, I wouldn't be surprised if he got turned later in the race... 315. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Wild Thing is back out on track, this time with a mask on, by the looks of it. 316. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really hope we see a non big one related caution before this race is over so we don't see everyone have to pit with 10 to go and scramble the field. 317. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Kyle! Lepage them! 318. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You know, if Jimmie's not careful, he could end up causing a huge ass wreck doing chop blocks like that. " Re-watch the ending of the 2012 version of this race: THAT was a chop block! 319. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smart move by Smoke to get down on the apron with the pack bearing down on him. 320. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson clinches the bonus point for most laps led, Kyle Busch is back on the track to try and pick up a few positions from other drivers out of the race, and engine woes continue for defending race champion Jamie McMurray. Rough day for the #1 Chevrolet. 321. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hope Jimmie doesn't cause a wreck because that will make Brad jealous... 322. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The #18 appears to be pretty much on-pace. 323. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here comes Martin Truex, Jr.! 324. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Truex! 325. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the 1st time this race Jimmie has to rely on a non-Chevy not passing him from behind... aaand it's Biffle. gg JJ 326. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul Menard is getting freight-trained back into the pack. 327. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "You know, if Jimmie's not careful, he could end up causing a huge ass wreck doing chop blocks like that." "Man with the aggressive blocks Jimmie's putting on the field, I wouldn't be surprised if he got turned later in the race..." It will be like the 2013 Coke Zero 400 when he piledrove Kasey Kahne into the wall with dick-move block and absolutely nothing happened to him. "Jimmie has the Hendrick Engine special. He's gonna win. That was pretty blatant repassing Harvick with no help." Most of the other cars fall back pretty quickly with a pack of cars helping them but Johnson somehow holds his own and even pulls away without any help at all. Jimmie Johnson has the special "Thank You Junior Johnson" plates from 1994. 328. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Apparently ESPN felt it was necessary to mention it was raining during the Seahawks-Rams game. Let that sink in. 329. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jimmie Johnson has the special "Thank You Junior Johnson" plates from 1994. " If you scrub off the paint on the roof you can still see #27 on JJ's ride. 330. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Little E and Paul Menard going backward on the outside. 331. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allen, nobody looked away. 332. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kahne is getting closer to the front lap by lap. He is told to make Jimmie win or get the Jerry Nadeau #25 for the next season. 333. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex getting to the front! 334. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The number of Fords and Toyotas toward the front is increasing even as the Chevies continue to blindly help Mr. Hack... 335. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^The stat in question was ESPN pointing out that over the last 10 races at Talladega the driver who led the most laps has failed to win. 336. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex seems to be the only Chevy driver who has Balls AND horsepower. 337. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really wouldn't mind seeing Brad and Jimmie take each other out right now. 338. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne is getting closer to the front lap by lap. He is told to make Jimmie win or get the Jerry Nadeau #25 for the next season. Worse yet, he's told his marching orders by Chase Elliott. 339. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Every time I see someone get alongside the #48 I expect a caution to come out. 340. epzik8 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OMG Truex to the lead :) 341. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Johnson & Truex hook up, Truex starts to fall back but Johnson somehow inches ahead... Johnson's car today: Defying the laws of all known legal plate racing physics. 342. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "He is told to make Jimmie win or get the Jerry Nadeau #25 for the next season." Jerry Nadeau was one of the most successful drivers in that ride. He picked up a victory and came half a gallon of gas away from getting another one. Here comes Danica to play spoiler! YOU GO GIRL! 343. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Christ's sakes NASCAR, you got me rooting for Danica now. 344. numbah10hatah's Danica Patrick horse posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, God, no!!!!! 345. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) erm... lol? 346. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica win > Johnson win. 347. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) DANICA'S NOT FOLLOWING THE SCRIPT!!! Hendrick is furious! NASCAR is conflicted! 348. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) >Danica leading Shitstorm imminent. 349. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jerry Nadeau was one of the most successful drivers in that ride. He picked up a victory and came half a gallon of gas away from getting another one." Yes, Jerry was great. But still, the car was crappy. 350. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica leads. 351. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) If either Danica or Jimmie wins this, I will never question Austin Dillon's Daytona 500 pole ever again because THAT would be more credible in comparison. 352. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Now watch them wreck and take the #3 and the #88 with them. ASSCAR would implode. 353. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie's got Danica, Dillon, Truex, Ambrose and Biffle up in the front pack with him...all of whom have nothing to lose in an effort to turn their seasons around with a win. 354. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^Except Biffle is known for deliberately doing asshole maneuvers to help Johnson win races. 355. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Prediction:A single file snoozer finish. 356. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This #15 looks like a 6 years old girl's Christmas present. With the wrapper still on it. 357. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Fords, minus Bayne, all pit together. 358. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "^Except Biffle is known for deliberately doing asshole maneuvers to help Johnson win races." Biffle will get in to 2nd behind Johnson and block the rest of the field from trying to make a move. 359. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now another Ford should be in the wall... 360. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick spins coming into pit road and Danica beats everyone out! 361. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Annett doing D1GP in the pits. 362. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Ragan leads after everyone stopped? 363. epzik8 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This cannot be happening... 364. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick gets turned around by Micheal Annett coming to pit road. And now Larson spins coming off pit road and brings out the caution. This changes everything. 365. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon stays out alone? 366. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson brings out a caution. 367. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson spun exiting pit road in turn 1 before getting back on the track. 368. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hey incompetency, we get that #24 stayed out. Show us who will lead to the restart! 369. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3...2...1 Luckily, Truex is extra racy and seems unwilling to help Johnson. 370. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully Jimmies old ass left side tires turn in to confetti. 371. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman will be the leader. 372. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) The person most surprised that Ryan Newman is the leader is Ryan Newman. 373. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meanwhile the RCR stable can go and f**k itself. GILLILAND leads in front of 2014's sleeper pick and Trevor. 374. Jimmie Johnson's tire posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) *Boom* Confetti 375. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a wongo top-5! 376. MAR posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If im driving for an underdog team im pulling a Brian Vickers on the last lap. 377. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So the Junior Johnson cars are 5th and 6th, as Gilliland makes a pit stop. 378. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman's gonna be the leader? He's usually a pretty good Johnson spoiler (ROTY 2002, Martinsville 2012, Indianapolis 2013). 379. John Royal posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gotta be a wreckfest 380. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Probably. Let's hope the #48 gets either collected or f**ks up himself. 381. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassill FTW 382. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Could Trevor win this? He's 2nd again. 383. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor's in a good spot at the moment to win. 384. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hendrick's nemesis Clint Bowyer... near Hendrick's pet! 385. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Ragan and Bayne! 386. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica shows her best talent again AND f**k OFF JIMMIE! 387. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My hearts pumping like a jackhammer. 388. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Game over... everyone just essentially pulled off the track for the 48 389. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris caution. This ending is going to be insane. 390. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Lame ass debris caution as the racing as getting totally epic with 8 to go. 391. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Debris cuz Dos Jotas was losing spots 392. Jacques posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yo. 393. Jacques posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sacre bleu! 394. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ... #48 getting shuffled backwards/#22 passed #48. Please webmaster, make either of these the cause of this caution. 395. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie gets in a position to get f*cked over and guess what... "bonjour" 396. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The debris is on the 22's grill now. 397. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damn computer overheating... 398. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jimmie got totally hung out to dry by everyone there though. To me, that disproves all the "everyone is helping the 48" garbage that was spewing earlier. He's gonna have to win this himself. 399. MAR posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Damnit!!!!!!!!!!!! A debris caution REALLY! !!!!!!!! 400. John Royal posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This caution just killed possible awesome ending 401. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica faded back but Landon Cassill is in the hunt. 402. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "400. John Royal posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This caution just killed possible awesome ending " Oh boy, NASCAR, you even made the Finns mad! 403. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR gave the 48 TWO positions after the yellow came out. 404. Cornys posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't care what happens in this race, but isn't it so aggrivating when racing is stopped by an incompetent officiating body? Two times now in quick succession. 405. I have never posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Chase trophy to the nuts* 406. DB1995 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR is completely worthless sometimes, That was f**kin intense man!! 407. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "This caution just killed possible awesome ending" What? The ending's still going to be awesome, although manufactured at the same time. 408. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crap, Kurt Busch is behind Dos Jotas 409. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "everyone is helping the 48" garbage that was spewing earlier" Newman's best interest is to have a less competitive car against him in the finals. Truex raced JJ all day. Hendrick doesn't even know the #40 exists. Other cars were Fords/Toyotas around there. 410. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once the Penske cars get hooked up, its game over man. On the other end of the spectrum, Jr. is getting ready to miss the cut baring an accident up front. 411. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With how this race has played out Johnson, Keselowski, or Earnhardt Jr. have to win to advance in the Chase; just as expected. 412. John Royal posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not mad, disappointed. Lets see how Brad and Jimmie crash each other out 413. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone else remember that Busch race when James Buscher came from 11th to 1st off the last corner on the final lap when the top-10 all crashed? It's anyone's race. 414. I have never posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The driver leading most laps has failed to win this race the last eight times. At least I have that going for me...which is nice. 415. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lel Kurt says not today, betch. 416. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution already. 417. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Of course. 418. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Never mind... false alarm 419. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wreck at the back. Junior's Chase is over. 420. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr is officially done. 421. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pileup on the backstretch and Junior's in it! The #88 is probably out of contention! 422. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It seems to me Trevor's previous 'Dega best was 8th. 423. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks back of the field, we were so close. 424. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wreck. Dale Jr.'s in the wreck, I believe that does it for his hopes of advancing. 425. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guess again... Live Leaderboard went green, went yellow, went green again, and went yellow again! 426. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Junior Nation, I'm afraid I've got some bad news 427. John Royal posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle in currently! 428. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson dropped to 13th on that restart! 429. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well, talk to you guys after Homestead... 430. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Junior Nation, I'm afraid I've got some bad news" Ha ha! I love when he says that! 431. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gilliland, Annett, and Menard all involved. Josh Wise and the Dogecoin car missed it though. "Much luck. Scary thing." 432. MAR posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With that wreck Jr is done and Kyle Busch jus might still be in good shape 433. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Biffle, Destroyer of HMS title hopes. 434. I have never posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Roush's elder statesman does play a role in this year's Chase after all. 435. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr is out. 436. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is taking much longer than it should... 3+ hours and now we've got another 5-10 minutes of yellow to go through! 437. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not watching, but I have a challenge for any of you who are sick of ESPN's narration. On the final restart, play 'Cold Driven's song 'Kingdom Come' in the background. I bet it will fit perfectly. 438. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't look now but Jimmie's running out of gas because of not taking much fuel on the green flag stop. 439. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hopefully Jimmie runs out of fuel and gets freight-trained passed on the restart. 440. John Royal posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Green-white-let off gas and check the loop data 441. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I got the feeling that something will happen in the last laps and we'll get a feel good winner after all. Mute this and listen to Fleetwood Mac now. (Gold Dust Woman ftw) You'll be doing yourself a favor. 442. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's going to be tight between Kasey and Kyle for the final Chase spot. I think a point separates the two of them. 443. epzik8 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well. 444. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was thinking the "BBC F1 theme" portion of Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain." 445. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson short-pitted to... come out of the pits in 4th and not have enough fuel to finish... Maybe Chad accidentally kidnapped Alan Gustafson this week? 446. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wonder what will Sorenson do on the restart. 447. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) asshat 448. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) White flag. 449. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Kes is out! Newman wins! 450. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Fantastic race, hate the winner. 451. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Wow, Brad actually pulled it off. Jimmie's out! 452. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Cassill 4th!! Someone please put this guy in a good Cup ride ASAP! 453. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I would like a nice glass of NESPN's tears, please. 454. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Live leaderboard did it to me again! *Throws computer* 455. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cassill P4 Kvapil P6 JJ P24 lel I guess Joe Falk and Brad Headcase are the happiest two people on the track. 456. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I think Gordon's out! 457. dennyfan11 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yay! Hamlin made it to round 3! 458. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So who is out? Kahne? 459. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bah Humbug. Still a great race for the win. And best of all no last lap disaster. 460. John Royal posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon only Hendrick drivrr left? 461. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Live leaderboard did it to me again! *Throws computer* I don't blame you. Newman made the perfect tri-oval pass for the win...on the penultimate lap. 462. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So it looks like Kyle Busch, Johnson, Jr, and Kenseth (?) are the four eliminations. 463. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne, Junior, Busch, Johnson elminated... Gordon makes it by 3 points. 464. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Keselowski scores his third victory at Talladega and it could not have come at a better time. Interestingly Bad Brad has three wins at Dega in three different brands; one each in a Chevrolet, a Dodge, and now a Ford. 465. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (6) What a shitty excuse for a race. 466. startandparkfan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Cassill finally gets the top 10 he deserves. In fact, he even gets a top 5! You could tell that money changed hands for that debris caution, but it didn't help. Johnson's done! If Cassill won, that would be the best thing ever. 467. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I guess this proves that the wicked really do prosper in the world. Good race, disappointed that Jr's done, but that's racing. Good race, just don't like the winner. 468. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Next time we go to 'Dega, someone be nice enough and snipe Brad K's rear tires out from under him please? Thank you. 469. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm gonna love Dos Jotas having to pull over for Gordon the rest of the year. 470. Nur Ali posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) The wifebeater is 6th! Yeeeaapppaahhhhhhhhhhhh 471. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kasey Kahne, Kyle Busch, Dale Jr. and Jimmie Johnson get eliminated. Great runs for Landon Cassill, Travis Kvapil and Casey Mears. 472. Peter posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) That is how you save a season! Way to go Bard 473. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hats off to Circle Sport. In the midst of all the manufactured drama, that small outfit just bettered their best finish and secured their future for a while. After all the close calls, Cassill gets his 1st top 10 and hands the dubious distinction of most cup starts without a top 10 to Baxter Price. 474. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well that was determination. Landon Cassil almost spoiled the party. That was typical Talladega finish. 475. Peter posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) *Brad haha 476. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Man, what a disappointing result to the race... Kes drives like a dick on a track, a dick in the pits, and a dick in the garage, all in light of the Stewart-Ward saga, and he gets to win the race. This is like getting told your all-time hero is coming to visit you and your mother-in-law shows up on your porch. 477. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Oh okay. Kahne, Jr, Johnson, Kyle are the eliminations. 478. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) I hate Brad's guts. But I gotta admit, he races his best when the world is against him. He already has compiled quite a list of Earnhardt-esque clutch runs. Just with a lot less bad assery than Dale had. 479. RaceFanX posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Ouch, Hendrick gets decimated by the elimination. 480. someone posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ugh why did Brad have to win?!? at least carl and Denny made it... 481. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) " 470. Nur Ali posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The wifebeater is 6th! Yeeeaapppaahhhhhhhhhhhh " Coming from a nation where women are murdered if they do anything but act like little slaves and allow themselves to be raped whenever their husband's like... 482. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) @476 What Brad did to Newman was the definition of dirty driving, but of course Brad is going to bitch about dirty driving himself. I seriously hope someone beats the shit out of Brad one day, he deserves it. 483. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I now pick Logano, Keselowski, Gordon and either Kenseth or Harvick as the final four. 484. startandparkfan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Good race, bad winner. Martinsville next! 485. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon sucked all day... he just drove to advance, which while smart for him sucks as a fan. 486. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (6) (4) Where all the haters at? You idiots. Best driver in the garage area and you can't accept it. Ya'll look stupid. Brad advances. Everyone here who turned their backs on him are cowards. That is all. 487. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon gets all the best stuff from HMS now. 488. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHY IN THE F*** DIDN'T HARVICK & BUSCH HOOK UP? Keselowski with shades of Gordon 2012 & Stewart 2002. Winning the week after extreme controversy. And last but certainly not least. *points at the 48 team* Ha-Ha! Of course NASCAR will probably enact a special reigning champions provisional clause for the Homestead Final Four Super Bowl. 489. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Classy interview by Jimmie. 490. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^A novelty 491. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) "Best driver in the garage area " Yes he drove the fastest in the garage area, that is why Kenseth got mat at him. 492. MAR posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Yessssss!!!!!!!!!!! Jimmie is out thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats to Bad Brad on the win congrats to circle sport racing cassil and kvapil get top 10s and Matt kenseth is an idiot he had a push and didnt take it. 493. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Surprise, surprise: according to Jeff Gluck, Kyle Busch got out of his car and immediately walked out of the garage area without answering any media questions. 494. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) lol at Carl making the Final 8 with his horrid Roush equipment. 495. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (4) (4) I'm not sure why everyone hates Brad now. He's a nice guy who gets crazy a little bit. But f**k man, he is human. I would hate to have to rely on any of you because your expectations are way too high. All i know is you guys are sulking why he is celebrating. You guys need to look at yourselves in the mirror. 496. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) "Where all the haters at? You idiots. Best driver in the garage area and you can't accept it. Ya'll look stupid. Brad advances. Everyone here who turned their backs on him are cowards. That is all. " If we started naming better drivers, we'd be here all night. 497. 23andJoe posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) That. Was. Awesome. Somebody sign Landon Cassill. WTG man! And the best possible winner. For those predicting NAShenanigans to get Jimmie in: try ketchup. I've heard it helps with the taste of crow. 498. We need more Onion posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone calm down now and let the tempers flare at Martinsville. Good night. 499. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (4) (4) "I'm not sure why everyone hates Brad now. He's a nice guy who gets crazy a little bit. But f**k man, he is human. I would hate to have to rely on any of you because your expectations are way too high. All i know is you guys are sulking why he is celebrating. You guys need to look at yourselves in the mirror. " He has never been nice though. Even when he was running 20th every week he thought he was Christ incarnate. He has never shown any class or any respect for any but himself. When things don't go his way, he acts more immature than Jerry Glanville. He's human all right. Yeah, Brad's a nice guy and all that. They drove him cleanly at Charlotte, and he flat out turned them... He's a piece of shit! 500. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) "All i know is you guys are sulking why he is celebrating." I'm not sulking, I'm admiring what an epic drive that was while simultaneously hating that asshole's guts. I don't deny that he is a hell of a driver. But until he stops acting like he is The Enforcer or some shit, I'm going to hate him. Sorry. 501. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "I'm not sure why everyone hates Brad now." Because he's a terrible human being. "He's a nice guy who gets crazy a little bit." What he did to Newman was dirty and in ANY racing series that doesn't have joke officiating like Nascar he would have been penalized for it. What Brad did was a bitch move. "I would hate to have to rely on any of you because your expectations are way too high." All I'm reading is "hey guys, don't have standards for decent human behavior, that's lame" 502. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "For those predicting NAShenanigans to get Jimmie in: try ketchup. I've heard it helps with the taste of crow. " Much like Cooper and DSFF, another poster who only shows up to be an arrogant____. Not what we need here. Robby Gordon's in the room folks! 503. Jaws_fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Cmon guys, I know he's is not a huge favorite on here, but JJ is a, YOUR!, six-time champion - show a little respect 504. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For those predicting NAShenanigans to get Jimmie in: try ketchup. I've heard it helps with the taste of crow. Just because he didn't get in doesn't mean that there were plans. In the future, what's the best way to cook crow? Grilled, baked, fried? Circle Sport 4th and 6th! That'll be a nice payday. 505. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "What he did to Newman was dirty and in ANY racing series that doesn't have joke officiating like Nascar he would have been penalized for it. What Brad did was a bitch move." Somewhere, you just offended a female dog. 506. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Time has come to take Brian France and his band of merry yes-men on a permanent vacation to the Bermuda Triangle 507. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Oh look, Rick Hendrick congratulating Brad in victory lane. But according to everyone on here Brad doesn't have any respect. The smart people who never raced in their life and have never been in the garage area, have told me different. I'm so confused! 508. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Cmon guys, I know he's is not a huge favorite on here, but JJ is a, YOUR!, six-time champion - show a little respect" I don't respect JJ for the same reason I don't respect Vettel. They've been pretty much handed their entire careers on a silver platter. 509. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Cmon guys, I know he's is not a huge favorite on here, but JJ is a, YOUR!, six-time champion - show a little respect " We respect the accomplishments themselves and give full appropriate titles as necessary. But we only respect those worthy of respect. If accomplishments on the course are all that mattered, then Lawrence Taylor is Mother Theresa. 510. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Best driver in the garage area and you can't accept it." Best at playing bumper cars in the garage area(though Hamlin did his fair share too). That aside, he did do a good job of holding off all those guys for the win. Just wish he show'd that more instead of the hypocritical enforcer we've seen this year and last. 511. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll give Brad his due, he did what he had too do. DSFF i have some bad news: the 48 didn't make it like you thought he would. oops. This new system prevented Jimmie from winning another championship, mission accomplished NASCAR. 512. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "Oh look, Rick Hendrick congratulating Brad in victory lane. But according to everyone on here Brad doesn't have any respect. The smart people who never raced in their life and have never been in the garage area, have told me different. I'm so confused! " You don't sportsmanship. Go touch yourself in a mirror, fanboy. 513. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Final Four: Logano, Harvick, Gordon, Kenseth. I know Brad is back in it now, but I don't see him running particularly well at Martinsville and Phoenix since he has never been great at those two tracks (of course, he can win at Texas, but I'm expecting Harvick and Logano to dominate there). Champion: Logano. 514. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "Oh look, Rick Hendrick congratulating Brad in victory lane. But according to everyone on here Brad doesn't have any respect. The smart people who never raced in their life and have never been in the garage area, have told me different. I'm so confused!" I honestly can't believe that you're this ignorant. 515. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (10) (0) "This new system prevented Jimmie from winning another championship, mission accomplished NASCAR." Nope NASCAR created a system so bogus even Chad can't figure it out. If Chad can't, no one can. 516. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Brad is not the best driver in the sport. He's not even the best driver on his team. I'd take Logano over him right now, I'd take Ryan Blaney over Brad in future, and if we include IndyCar, I'm taking Pagenaud over him. He's top 5 in the sport, certainly, but best? Nope. He's too inconsistent to be given that title. 517. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the best way to improve the racing at Talladega is to get rid of the team orders rule and implement an everyman for himself rule. 518. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think I will Hinch77. 519. I have never posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hey ESPN, where's the Landon Cassill interview? 520. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) Man, I'm so pumped. It doesn't get better than that. This is better than the 2012 championship. 521. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hey ESPN, where's the Landon Cassill interview?" It's BSPN, they only interview the big names and prima donnas. 522. Jaws_fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "I don't respect JJ for the same reason I don't respect Vettel. They've been pretty much handed their entire careers on a silver platter" Um..Okay, imagine if you were JJ in 2001 and got an offer from the best team in NASCAR would you chose to stay with a shitty Bush Series team? - i don't think so, not even you could be that stupid And whatever that other jackoff said is so insanely stupid I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole 523. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) I wonder how many times "The Drive For Five" has been said on a NASCAR telecast from Thanksgiving week 2001 to present? Can't believe JJ didn't win with that car he had. Glad he didn't, and again he shows he is not a great driver with his back to the wall. Kurt Busch will be getting motors from Hendrick that are left over from Ken Schrader's cars from 1988. Did Kurt do anything wrong? Nope. Does Rick Hendrick give a shit? Nope. He failed to fall on his sword for the 48. Wouldn't be surprised if all of SHR gets punished for that. 524. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BSPN & NASCAR CAN BURN IN ETERNAL DAMNATION 525. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) " Um..Okay, imagine if you were JJ in 2001 and got an offer from the best team in NASCAR would you chose to stay with a shitty Bush Series team? - i don't think so, not even you could be that stupid And whatever that other jackoff said is so insanely stupid I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole " Ah, yes, the ultimate comeback: "I can't knock your argument so I will insult it." 526. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know Ryan Newman has been knocked for points racing throughout the Chase, but that #31 team could potentially make it to Homestead. The full weight of Hendrick Motorsports us behind the Drive for Five. 527. BMan0213 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) I don't get why people are saying that move Brad made on Newman on the last lap was dirty. He ran him up the track, never hit him, didn't put him in the wall, just ran him up. Then for him to move around on the backstretch and get the lead back well... there's only a few guys that could have done a better job at manipulating the draft right there than he did. 528. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Man, I'm so pumped. It doesn't get better than that. This is better than the 2012 championship. " It must be said to have so few things to be happy about in your life. Now I have things to be happy about: I'm a successful forecaster and a ladies' man. 529. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @527 in any racing series that isn't nascar, that would be illegal. But of course, nascar officiating is a complete joke so yeah 530. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) And yes, I was wrong. I was 100% certain JJ would win. He moved immediately on that restart and screwed himself. He should have shoved whoever was in front of him to the front, then used his superior motor to win. But he didn't cause he is not a clutch driver. No matter how many championshils he wins, he will never be Dale Earnhardt. 531. Jaws_fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Ah, yes, the ultimate comeback: "I can't knock your argument so I will insult it." Dude, you compared a drug addict to a saint. You deserve to be insulted 532. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dude, you compared a drug addict to a saint. You deserve to be insulted " Dude, you're so lame you can't even come up with a coherent insult. Surprised you knew who Lawrence Taylor was, or did you have to Google him? 533. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I know Ryan Newman has been knocked for points racing throughout the Chase, but that #31 team could potentially make it to Homestead." True, very true. But if he knew the art of side-drafting he may have won this one. 534. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am the angel of death the time of the purification of NASCAR is at hand. 535. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @522 What I would do is irrelevant. What matters is that accomplishments that come as a result when they are gained when your car is significantly faster than the rest of the field to the point where they don't have a chance are hard to take seriously. Its why in 2013 Vettel wins damn near every race on the schedule but in 2014 he's completely winless. Because he doesn't have the absolute fastest car anymore. 536. The Long Shot posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dude, you compared a drug addict to a saint. You deserve to be insulted" There's this thing called context...it helps a lot when it comes to perception. 537. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will explain so even Shark_boy can understand... You said JJ is worthy of respect based purely on accomplishments, and I responded by saying that if accomplishments are all that matter than Lawrence Taylor is Mother Theresa. If racking up meaningless statistics = decent human being, then logically one of the three or four best football players ever is one of the holiest people ever. Comprende? It's the old thought circle. God is Love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God. 538. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't get why people are saying that move Brad made on Newman on the last lap was dirty. He ran him up the track, never hit him, didn't put him in the wall, just ran him up. Then for him to move around on the backstretch and get the lead back well... " I think it has to due with the fact that in the past Brad has gotten angry at other drivers for doing the same things he and everyone else does(Richmond, last week at Charlotte). Winning the championship in 2012 went to his head gave this huge "garage enforcer" superiority complex, that's what has turned so many people off to him. 539. Seagal posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wooooo Kenseth! 540. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yes DSFF JJ will never be Dale Earnhardt... Dale would have likely played it smart and moved up, regrouped, side-drafted and won as Burnout did. Once everyone started moving up to challenge the #48, not even a superior motor could save them...getting schooled by Danica after leading many laps was the beginning of the end. 541. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I don't get why people are saying that move Brad made on Newman on the last lap was dirty." Had it been lap 20, I would have been crucifying Brad for that, but it was the last lap at Talladega, and he was essentially racing with his season on the line. So I don't fault him for it. He did an incredible job, and he is definitely one of the best Talladega racers I've seen in my time watching the sport. I just wish he would stop acting like he is the Earnhardt-esque authority figure of the garage area, because that he most certainly is not. 542. BMan0213 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@527 in any racing series that isn't nascar, that would be illegal. But of course, nascar officiating is a complete joke so yeah" This is NASCAR not some other series. Correct me if im wrong but i don't think there is any sort of blocking rule right. He didn't break any rules and he didn't cause a wreck. I just cant consider what he did was dirty. IMO what Joey was doing coming to the white flag was far more dangerous than what Brad did on the last lap. Joey was blocking everyone lol. I'm surprised they all didn't just wreck right there. 543. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Good Lord this comment board is becoming a bigger hell hole then Detroit, St Louis, Oakland & Baltimore combined. 544. d posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So much for the point system that emphasizing winning, 2 of the final 8 are winless. It would be ironic if Newman won the title without a win considering the chase was put in place in part because of him winning 8 races in 2003 and not being close in points to Kenseth winning only 1 for the title. 545. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No matter how many championshils he wins, he will never be Dale Earnhardt. I see what you did there. I prefer shampionships. 546. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes, folks, I am cooking with gas tonight! 547. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Good Lord this comment board is becoming a bigger hell hole then Detroit, St Louis, Oakland & Baltimore combined." You should visit 4chan one day. Specifically /sp/. Now THAT is a hellhole. 548. Peter posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Fellas remember an argument is an intellectual process not just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes 549. BMan0213 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I just wish he would stop acting like he is the Earnhardt-esque authority figure of the garage area, because that he most certainly is not." While I agree with you, winning races like he just did isn't gonna help that lol. He's never gonna be Dale, but then again no one will be. If he keeps winning races and championships tho might become the closest thing since. 550. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Peter? Me?! Arguing? No! I'm having fun right now making people crap their undies! 551. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "IMO what Joey was doing coming to the white flag was far more dangerous than what Brad did on the last lap. Joey was blocking everyone lol. I'm surprised they all didn't just wreck right there." Yeah, from the Trucks finish yesterday too the Cup race today (minus Joeys blocking) i'm surpised we do not have 40 cars/trucks going back too the shops demolished. 552. epzik8 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I am speechless. Earnhardt and Johnson eliminated? Wow... And I wanted Newman to win, but Keselowski is one of my favorites (yes, even after last week) so I'm glad he's advancing after all. I'm also happy that Gordon is still in. Finally, farewell to Terry Labonte. 553. Sponsor Updates posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #20- The Home Depot: 15 Years of Racing #5- Farmers Insurance #15- Pink Lemonade 5-hour Energy #1- Cessna / Beechcraft / Breast Cancer Awareness #32- C&J Energy Services / Terry Labonte Tribute #16- 3M Safety / Airgas #47- Scott Products / Hungry Jack / Clorox #42- Energizer MAX #95- Jordan Truck Sales / @LeavineFamily95 554. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Hinch77, getting railroaded by everyone on here. Lol Feel bad for you brother. 555. epzik8 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And also, I've seen Baltimore, St. Louis and 4chan firsthand so I get that reference... 556. 23andJoe posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) The reason I hardly show up anymore is because the boards have, unfortunatly, been infested with trolls. Remember folks: actions indistinguishable from trolling /are/ trolling. Don't feed them. 557. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Look I'll say it again. I understand why people don't like Brad as a person. He is arrogant and annoying. But anyone who denies his talent must be blind. 558. Peter posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 550I wasn't singling you out man. I just thought I ease the tension with humor and what better way to do that then a quote from Monthy Python 559. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @556 I've accepted that everyone on the internet is a troll. Everyone. Yes, even you. The internet becomes much more enjoyable that way. There is no such thing as a non-troll on the internet, as far as I'm concerned. 560. BMan0213 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looking back on this round one moment really sticks out. Jimmie deciding to pit on that last yellow at Charlotte. Finishing 17th instead of in the top 5 there definitely affected how he ran at the end of the race today. 561. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'll try to shed a bit of light on the Brad argument: I think he eventually could have been a leader-type figure for the garage similar to how Dale Earnhardt was in the 90's had he just kept his determined as hell, classy off the track demeanor. He'd already defeated Jimmie Johnson for the championship and looked poised to grab the "top dog" of NASCAR torch out of his hands (and although he's turned me off to the point where I can't stand him, I still think he has the most potential of any driver in the garage to accomplish that). All the stars were lining up for it, as Penske has gotten better each year since 2009 started (with the exception of last year). Then he seemed to actually try to be that figure, which has made him look worse. He was doing great when he wasn't trying. The thing is, Earnhardt was that type of figure without really trying to be. He never made it a regular pattern to act like he was entitled to "extra space" on the track, or to complain about stuff out of his control. 562. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Hinch77, getting railroaded by everyone on here. Lol Feel bad for you brother." You're really in love with yourself man. Since everyone loves my posts right now. 563. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) " 515. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (9) (0) "This new system prevented Jimmie from winning another championship, mission accomplished NASCAR." Nope NASCAR created a system so bogus even Chad can't figure it out. If Chad can't, no one can. " I rest my case. I'm on fiyah! 564. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have never watched Monty Python = I missed the reference. 565. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Hinch77 is insulting Cooper simply because he's a Keselowski fan. Let Keselowski fans be Keselowski fans, bro. Is it illegal to be a Keselowski fan or something? I'd like my fellow Keselowski fans to be fans of him without being insulted. Keselowski is an awesome driver and you need to accept it. 566. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The reason I hardly show up anymore is because the boards have, unfortunatly, been infested with trolls. Remember folks: actions indistinguishable from trolling /are/ trolling. Don't feed them. " You must be starving to death then! 567. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think Hinch77 is insulting Cooper simply because he's a Keselowski fan. Let Keselowski fans be Keselowski fans, bro. Is it illegal to be a Keselowski fan or something? I'd like my fellow Keselowski fans to be fans of him without being insulted. Keselowski is an awesome driver and you need to accept it. " You're completely off the board here. I do not have anything against Keselowski fans. I have something against people who come to a board solely to insult my FRIENDS who do not like the cheap tactic Keselowski used to win. Remember: NEVER pick on my friends. 568. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't see anyone doing that. Or am I blind? 569. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) And I bid adieu to two-time Winston Cup Champion and two-time Southern 500 winner Terry Labonte as today was his final race. I wish Terry all the best as he turns the page to a new chapter in his, and may he live long and prosper. 570. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I didn't see anyone doing that. Or am I blind? " Let me help you out of that hole, Mister! 571. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Quit being mean. Your accusing other people of being trolls when you yourself are being one. 572. joey2448 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) A couple quick thoughts: -Alright Keselowski! Good job coming up big when it counted and winning! Make your haters eat crow! (Those who used to be "fans" of his but turned their backs on him this year...I don't know what to say to you) -YESSSS!!!! JIMMIE JOHNSON WILL NOT WIN THE TITLE THIS YEAR!!! I repeat. JJ is OUT!!! Hahahahaha I wish I could see the face of every 48 fan! -I'll say it again. Great drive by Brad there in the final laps. He didn't wreck Newman on the final lap, he raced him hard. Just like ol' Ironhead would have. 573. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I still love that Jimmie was driving the reincarnation of the 1994 #27 Junior Johnson Ford and failed to do what even Jimmy friggin' Spencer could do once all his helpers (all the Hendrick powered Chevrolet's & Paul Menard) disappeared from the front at the end. I don't see what was so wrong with Brad blocking Newman on the final lap of the race, other than the hypocrisy of it. If there is anybody that deserves anger for their tactics at the end of the race, it's Matt Kenseth for pulling a "Greg Biffle Plate Race End-Game Tactic" against the guy he should have been trying his damn hardest to root out of the way. 574. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Quit being mean. Your accusing other people of being trolls when you yourself are being one. " Saying "Quit being mean" is a somewhat... unconvincing... way to put it, but out of respect for you as a poster, I can stop. If you actually read my posts in their context it's all one coherent pun spree. 575. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "(Those who used to be "fans" of his but turned their backs on him this year...I don't know what to say to you)" They weren't fans to begin with. 576. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) People turned their backs on Brad because people realized that Brad is a child and didn't want to support him. 577. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 576 Yeah, right. Totally. 578. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) I don't get the Brad hate at all. 579. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ""(Those who used to be "fans" of his but turned their backs on him this year...I don't know what to say to you)" They weren't fans to begin with." Most Keselowski "fans" remind me of Randy Quaid's character in Major League II or Homer Simpson in the episode "Wild Barts Can't Be Broken". They turn against him when things get a little bit rough but turn back and act like #1 lifelong fans once things are all good again. I don't consider myself a fan of BK (His personality is a little too grating for me especially when he morphs in to "Sad Brad" mode, but I respect the hell out of his driving abilities & love the fact he gives Johnson and his fans the heebie-jeebies) but I think I have stuck by his side more than his so called "fans". 580. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm a "fan". A big one at that. 581. Hinch77 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know why, but I'm starting to like this Fireball1020 guy. 582. TS1420 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm a "fan". A big one at that." I'm talking about the ones that hid their BK stuff acted like Brad was devil after last week when weeks before his tire failure at Kansas and he was the favorite for the championship they couldn't praise him enough. 583. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm crazy loyal to my favorites. That makes some people I think I'm just plain crazy because I can't stand it if someone makes one of my favorites look bad. 584. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) racefangurl just said what I've been trying to say this whole time. 585. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Joey's in the Eliminator Round, so I'm ok until Phoenix. Living in bliss, as far as the Cup goes, until then. 586. Thomas posted: 10.19.2014 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hats off to Terry for a solid career, even though he should have stayed retired before. Congrats to Keselowski for his clutch performance today to do what he needed to do to advance. As for the move he made on Newman on the last lap, anybody else in his position would have made that same move...most of them would have ended up going back to the garage on the hook after wrecking themselves instead of to victory lane. 587. someone posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) wow Allmendinger is the second best elim'd driver! 588. David posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't think I ever considered myself a "fan" of Keselowski per se (though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't pulling for him to win the title in 2012 over Johnson), but I respect his abilities and the fact that he's in the sport. He's currently fulfilling the role of "bad guy" in NASCAR (dominant and talented enough for most to respect him yet with a personality that is polarizing), and for that reason I appreciate him as he is. Updated Final Four predictions: Logano, Harvick, Gordon, Keselowski (chalk, I know) 589. Watto posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Last week, Denny said that Brad will "will probably try to wreck everyone" in order to win Talladega. So much for that. 590. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ryan Newman failed post race inspection. 591. Watto posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Yes he drove the fastest in the garage area, that is why Kenseth got mat at him." Did you see the video footage? He was 8, possibly even 10 mph! Frightening! You think THAT'S scary, try parking in a supermarket parking lot during peak hours! CRAZINESS 592. Cooper posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fireball1020, you okay. He is right, just let us enjoy the win. IF he ends up putting it in the wall I'm pretty sure the haters will be very joyous. I've posted on this site for 5 years. 593. Anonymous posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " Fireball1020, you okay. He is right, just let us enjoy the win. IF he ends up putting it in the wall I'm pretty sure the haters will be very joyous. I've posted on this site for 5 years." Go build a bucket to kick 594. cjs3872 posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Given all that they put each other through last week at Charlotte, isn't it the irony or ironies that it was Matt Kenseth that pushed Brad Keselowski to the win in this race. You could make a real argument that one or both of those drivers should have been suspended for this race, yet not only did they finish 1-2, but it was Kenseth that actually provided the oomph Keselowski needed, because if not for Kenseth getting in there, I'm not sure that Keselowski wins this race, because it was Kenseth that gave Keselowski the drafting assistance he needed to get by Ryan Newman. And also, while four of this season's heavyweights, Gordon, Harvick, and the two Penske drivers (probably the four best all year, when you consider everything) have moved on, so have the two winless drivers that got into the final dozen (Kenseth and Newman), meaning that there's now a one-in-four chance that a winless driver could take the title. But here's something to consider. While everyone's considering those four that have been the best all year the favorites, here's a driver nobody should underestimate, considering the tracks coming up. That driver is Denny Hamlin, because he's as good as there is at Martinsville (though his last two performances there haven't been up to his usual standard), and he's always been very good at Phoenix, not to mention that he's won two of the last five races at Homestead. Aside from Jeff Gordon, Denny Hamlin might very well be the most dangerous driver remaining in this year's Chase, because his strongest Chase tracks still remain, and Kevin Harvick, Brad Keselowski, and Joey Logano each do not have sparkling records at Martinsville, Texas, and Phoenix. Aside from Gordon, who can win anywhere, any time, Denny Hamlin may be the most dangerous driver of the other seven, and is someone I actually consider a favorite to take it all now, even more than Matt Kenseth. And while nobody else thought it could happen, given the unpredictability of Talladega, I said last week that even Kyle Busch, the highest ranked driver entering the points not locked into round three, could have misfortune knock him out, and that's exactly what happened. Nothing, and I mean nothing is a lock at Talladega, and what we saw in the final 40 laps of this race again proved it. Jimmie Johnson appeared to be a lock most of the day, Danica (yes, Danica) seemed to have the best of it before those final pit stops, and she was going to be hard to beat, because she was the first driver practically all day to pass Jimmie Johnson, and be able to comfortably hold him back, and yet it was Ryan Newman that was the one that nearly threw a wrench in things, due to incredibly good luck and a fast car. Even Trevor Bayne, in the Wood Brothers car, had a shot at the end, until he got shuffled out, and then ran out of gas on the last lap (I remember that happening to him when he had a shot to win this race two years ago, as well), because he charged to second on one of those late restarts, and nearly got alongside Newman before getting shuffled out. And also, how about a BIG kudos to guys like Landon Cassill, 2003 Truck Series champion Travis Kvapil, Casey Mears, Reed Sorenson, and Cole Whitt, all of whom finished in the top 15, and Cassill, Kvapil, and Mears finishing in the top ten, with Cassill and Kvapil getting their best-ever Cup finishes while running for the same team. And while many have criticized Brad Keselowski's blocking, under the circumstances, I have no problem with it, because everyone was doing it (Jimmie Johnson was cutting people off all day), and it was the last lap of the race. And by the way, Ryan Newman didn't back off. He stayed right in there with Keselowski and got back alongside him. His problem was that he was far enough ahead of anyone else on the outside that he had no drafting help on the last lap, which caused him to fall to fifth, while Kenseth, Clint Bowyer, and Cassill formed a line behind Keselowski, which pushed him out front, and they had nowhere to go with their runs before it was too late, and then it became a battle for second place, with Keselowski comfortably taking the win. Keselowski also got the biggest break of the race, because he came within inches of having his race, and his championship hopes, ruined in the day's first incident when Jamie McMurray spun, because McMurray's car hit Keselowski's hard on the door. A foot further up, and his steering might have been damaged to the point where he would have become uncompetitive. A foot further back, and he might have been on his roof because his car would have did a reverse spin so fast that the left rear tire might have dug in, and his car could have barrel rolled, so while Keselowski drove his heart out and deserved to win this one, he got incredibly lucky in that first incident because of where McMurray's car hit his. 595. KennyWallaceFan (Truck Series Guy!) posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I know a lot of people really didn't like this new format of the Chase in the beginning, and I for one didn't for sure. But I don't think we ever would of got this kind of action with the old chase system. And looking back the old chase systems did kind of lack some excitement (aside from 2004 and 2012.) Is this system 100% fair? No. But the other chase systems haven't been either. Yes the full season system was a lot fairer and lot less gimmicky. I think even NASCAR would agree with that. But I think eventually we are just going to have to get used to it. My problem with the chase has always been that the first 26 races don't mean that much. But I guess I just have to get used to that too. (still trying) But overall what we saw today was total awesomeness. I think once NASCAR get's rid of this evil "aeropush" I think were going to see this Chase system really blossom. With the first 26 races after you score 1 win, for the rest of the races the only thing that matters is winning. Positions 2nd-43rd are meaningless. And that should lead to some insane, insane racing if those positions mean nothing to the drivers that have already won. The problem is this stupid "aeropush." And that even though 2nd-43rd doesn't mean much for a lot of these guys, they can't really challenge for the lead because of the "aeropush." I think once NASCAR finally get's rid of this horrible "aeropush" I think you're going to see some insane racing in the first 26 races, and I think the Chase will get better too. And I'm not pointing fingers at NASCAR about the "aeropush", because I know they are doing everything they possibly can to get rid of it. Basically overall I do like this system, and I think it brings a lot of excitement. And I definitely think it's better than any other Chase formats that we've had. 596. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Jimmie Johnson's my least favorite driver now. He spun Trevor. 597. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And while many have criticized Brad Keselowski's blocking, under the circumstances, I have no problem with it, because everyone was doing it (Jimmie Johnson was cutting people off all day), and it was the last lap of the race." Definitely agreed. I have no problems with how Brad won the race. Like I said earlier, I've been really unhappy with him over the past year or so, but I don't deny at all that he is one of the best in our sport right now. And yeah, I forgot to mention it earlier, but obviously a hell of a job all day by Landon Cassill. I too think he needs to be in a top flight ride. If I was a team like JGR or MWR (they both could possibly have openings after next year with both Denny Hamlin and Brian Vickers being free agents), I would definitely be taking a long hard look at him. 598. Fireball1020 posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 596 I doubt he did it on purpose. 599. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Back to the Newman inspection thing though, I don't know the severity of how they failed it, but if it's a big enough deal for them to take points away, then this may end up affecting the Chase grid. I really hope it doesn't, because Newman has done a great job all year (and especially in recent weeks) in that car. I'd hate to see him taken out of it because of RCR chicanery. 600. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully the results of the inspection aren't severe enough to force Newman out of the Chase via points. The NASCAR Facebook page is running 95% or so against the #2 team. 601. Watto posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jimmie Johnson's my least favorite driver now. He spun Trevor." Trevor actually came across the 48's nose when Johnson got underneath him after the start/finish line. It was a block that was too late on Trevor's behalf. Honestly, it was instant karma for the previous restart, which made it incredibly ironic. Trevor went 3 wide before they got to the start/finish line and somehow didn't get black flagged in what's very much a black or white call. He was really lucky to not get black flagged. It wasn't a close call. It was a complete miss on NASCAR's behalf. 602. David posted: 10.19.2014 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but if Brad had not won, he would have been out. So he was literally driving for his Chase hopes on the last lap (the ESPN commentators even mentioned it several times). As for the last lap, I didn't see what Brad did that got so many riled up here. 603. cjs3872 posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They said that both sides of the car was too low, murb, and that the penalty, if one was given, would be a P3 penalty, and it was stated that he would be penalized 15 points, which would not affect Newman's standing, if that were to be the case. Remember that any points penalty would be prior to the reset, so he would still be ahead of Kasey Kahne, who was the top driver in points to be knocked out. But let's also remember that Newman was involved in an incident just past the halfway point, and often times, NASCAR makes allowances for damage done during the race that would affect a car during technical inspection after the race was over. And racefangurl, if Trevor got spun out on the last lap, then that would explain how he fell all the way back to the last car on the lead lap. I simply thought he ran out of fuel. We didn't see anything on the coverage to indicate that, but that could be why Trevor was the last car on the lead lap at the finish, when he was running in the top ten not long before that. Remember that there were also two GWCs, and that some drivers, including Johnson, thought they were going to run out of fuel, but as far back as Jimmie was going at the end, the only way I can think of that Jimmie, who was outside the top 20 at the time and falling like a rock, could have spun Trevor was if Trevor ran out of fuel on the last lap, which also happened in this race two years ago when he had a shot to win it. He could have run out of fuel, which led to him being spun out, if that were the case. 604. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor's lucky to be able to race. I'm so happy he's healthy enough to do that and hope that stay until next year. If that happens, which I believe is possible, he could get a 'Dega win then. 605. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs, in post 601 Watto says what happened between Trevor and Johnson that led to the spin. 606. David posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They said that both sides of the car was too low, murb, and that the penalty, if one was given, would be a P3 penalty, and it was stated that he would be penalized 15 points, which would not affect Newman's standing, if that were to be the case." I'm pretty sure that was speculation on Nate Ryan's part. 607. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) stay=stays I'm a fan and I'm positive about his future and I hope he has a good first full year in the Cup. 608. Sky Warrior posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Conspiracy theories and inane arguing left, right, and center. There's a reason I rarely post anymore. This place has really gone downhill 609. Evan posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) * First and foremost, congratulations to Brad Keselowski and the #2 Redd's Wicked Apple Ale Ford of Team Penske on their win at Talladega in the GEICO 500. Say what you want about Brad Keselowski but he earned this win and got to the next round. * Jimmie Johnson leads the most laps but still does not win, which he was going to be eliminated unless he did manage to win, the 48 team gave it a good fight, but once cars got enough of a push, Jimmie was dog meat and the GWC hurt Jimmie Johnson even more when he unintentionally spun Trevor Bayne which killed his momentum and he also was running on fuel, he should have probably pitted for gas, but they did not want to give up track position. * Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s chances ended up in smoke after he got either spun by Greg Biffle or Junior came down on him. Junior led some during the race, but he never seemed to have the horses to get to the front when he needed to be there. I think also he was just waiting to make the charge until Biffle and him got together. It's disappointing for it to end like this, but I am glad Jeff Gordon made it to the next round which means he's the only Hendrick driver remaining in the Chase grid. Junior started the year off by winning the 500 and had a phenomenal year, but that Kansas race where he had the tire problem will be looked back on as the thing that kept Junior out of the Eliminator. * Also, give a hearty shout-out to Home Depot which celebrated 15 years in NASCAR. They came in with Tony Stewart on that orange and white Home Depot car and had numerous success, Tony Stewart won two championships in 2002 and 2005 with Home Depot as well as 2 Brickyard 400s and 2 Pepsi 400s. Home Depot also shepherded the career of Joey Logano as he started at as 18 year old rookie and Joey's career has blossomed since then. There have been countless moments including Matt Kenseth's career high winning season last year as a part-time sponsor. I will miss seeing their colors on a car, as they were a great sponsor and they were great with their drivers and the fans, they let Tony be Tony even through his wild moments and were comfortable with letting Joey Logano in the fold as well as Matt Kenseth, and had some awesome commercials as well. I am going to miss that orange Home Depot #20 on the track. * Congrats to Terry Labonte on his last race, driving a car reminiscent of his number 5 Kelloggs Chevy which he won the 1996 Championship with. Congrats on a great career, Terry Labonte did not win a ton of races, he was very consistent and very cool when the pressure was on. Terry Labonte was good on the tougher tracks, Darlington, Bristol, Martinsville, North Wilkesboro and Rockingham and very underrated road racer. But his two championships in a span between 12 years proved his greatness. 610. The Crimson King posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Conspiracy theories and inane arguing left, right, and center. There's a reason I rarely post anymore. This place has really gone downhill " Welcome to the internet. 611. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (7) (5) Here is the deal with Brad from me, the guy who used to be at the head of the Brad train, and now hates him 25% as much as I hate Geoff Bodine (which means I hate him a lot). Every so often you see a guy who is struggling with shoestring equipment get a shot in a good ride. You wanna see how that goes. At the Memphis Truck race in 2007 (or as we know it now, the Aaron Fike race) that guy was a young Brad Keselowski. Naturally I pulled for the underdog. Brad won the pole, led a ton of laps, and was leading late when Travis Kvapil spun him out. Brad was very graceful about this, saying that is racing. I became a fan. Then he got a big break as he got to drive the #88 Navy car in the Busch Series for Dale Jr. I knew this was risky. Being owned by June, it was a high profile car. But the team wasn't that good, and June was chewing drivers up and spitting them out. They were wrecking trying to run fast in slow equipment. This was before HMS basically took over. Brad jumped in and suddenly that car looked like it belonged. HMS support came the following year and he ran up front a lot. And he didn't back down from the Cup guys who felt all the regulars should be glad just to be on the same track as him. I loved that he upset assholes like Denny, Kyle, and Carl. That made me REALLY like him. His rapid ascension from '09-'12 was astounding. Sure he talked out of his ass a lot, but he had a swagger and a take no shit approach that was very old school, the opposite of the soul crushing vanilla of Jimmie Johnson that had brough the sport to its knees. Then 2013 happened. He ran like crap. He thought he was God. Every time he opened his mouth, hot diarrhea spewed out. His swagger and confidence had turned into "Fall to your knees, I am better than you". I could tell the championship changed him. In May 2012, at Darlington, with garage passes, I waited near Brad's hauler for his autograph. After the driver's meeting, he walked straight through the garage among the people to his hauler. I held out a card for him to sign. He signed it and I said "Thanks Brad" and he said "yes sir". One year later, he totally bypassed his hauler. I had to jump in front of him as he walked to driver intros to get his autograph this time. He signed without saying a word. Then, it happened. Martinsville. With Brad out of the chase, I waited beside the Ford stage for his Q&A session to end to get his autograph again. I stood there with my official shirt and hat on, holding out an official 2012 championship flag. Ford drivers Marcos Ambrose, Aric Almirola, and chaser Joey Logano all stopped by, chatted with us (there were maybe 10 of us) and signed everything. Non chaser Brad walks right past us, including his #1 fan, just saying "I gotta go". Seriously, it would have taken him 90 seconds max to scribble "Brad K" a few times. That was it. And this year he kept his holier than thou attitude. He was the answer to the question nobody asked. I used to hope he would win because I liked him. Now I hoped he would win just so he wouldn't whine about something. There is definitely no denying his talent and clutch performance ability. When he absolutely needs it, Brad is the guy currently that is best at getting it. In fact, I think this will come to be the Brad Keselowski era. I think he will win multiple titles and rack up race wins for the next 10 years. And I will hate every second of it. 612. cjs3872 posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And I wrote that post before #601 was up, so I had no idea, racefangurl. And actually, not long before that, there was contact between Jimmie and Trevor prior to that, because it was mentioned that Trevor had bounced off Jimmie toward the end of the race when they were four wide on the backstretch, and Trevor had to save his car to keep from causing a huge wreck in the pack. So there had been contact between the 21 and 48 cars late in that race, though it was purely unintentional. And David, in addition to what was mentioned on Jayski's site that you mentioned, we can't forget that Newman's car got damage in an accident on lap 102, though his car's not listed in the accident report, and if that was the case, then NASCAR might take that into consideration and be lighter on the penalty, if they issue one at all, because they're usually lenient in the case of race-related damage. And last week, I mentioned the possibility of Joey Logano becoming the prohibitive favorite for the title if was the only Penske driver to make into the next round. Obviously, with Keselowski's win in this race, both Penske cars make it into the next round. But can the same now be said regarding Jeff Gordon, with all of his teammates getting eliminated today, with Gordon the only HMS driver remaining with a shot at the title, in addition to the upcoming tracks being some of the weaker ones for the others that figure to be up there (Harvick, Logano, and Keselowski). Could Gordon now be the prohibitive favorite to win it all? The fact that tracks such as Martinsville and Phoenix are in the next round not only make Gordon the favorite, in my view, but I think that fact also increases the chances of Denny Hamlin and Carl Edwards to bounce more favorites from championship contention. I really think Denny Hamlin and even Carl Edwards bear watching in the next round, because Hamlin's always been great at those tracks, and Roush's team has run very well at the slow-speed tracks this year, the short tracks especially, so I think Hamlin and Edwards bear watching in the next three races, and it's not a lock that Gordon, Harvick, and the Penske drivers will be the ones in the last four. I think overlooking Hamlin and Edwards, and possibly even Matt Kenseth, would be a BIG mistake, because I think they have a much better chance than most people are giving them at this time. Hamlin's crew chief even said that if they got to the third round, that they're best tracks are coming up, so the #11 team has become a team who's championship aspirations are looking stronger, and if Hamlin was one of those that advanced to the championship finale, I would not be surprised at all. 613. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Withdrew #87 Mike Wallace RoyalTeakCollection.com Jay Robinson Toyota (They original enter the #87 but then changed to the #49) Sponsor Updates #33 Little Joe's Autos/Breast Cancer Awareness #24 Axalta Coatings #88 Diet Mountain Dew/#DaleCall #98 Dogecoin Digital Currency / Reddit.com #95 Jordan Truck Sales /@LeavineFamily95 #49 RoyalTeakCollection.com 614. Dylan posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Congratulations to Brad Keselowski on the win. This was also Terry Labonte's last race of his career. We're all gonna miss Terry. He raced for Rick Hendrick when I was a little boy. My favorite Terry Labonte car is his #5 Kellogg's Corn Flakes Chevrolet. I will remember Terry as the two time champion, the brother of Bobby Labonte, my first favorite NASCAR driver, and the father of Justin Labonte. Thank you Terry for an amazing 37 years of racing and we will miss you. 615. cjs3872 posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Congratulations to Peyton Manning for breaking the NFL career record for TD passes with #509. 616. JG24FanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't care much about football, but even I saw Peyton get the record. 617. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I wasn't watching at the time but anyone remember Superbowl 44 where Peyton and the Colts faced the New Orleans Aints and Peyton wound up unintentionally sealing the win for the aints by throwing a pick six then made a real lame effort to try and stop the defender from scoring by moving in slow motion and was pushed to the ground by another member of the aint defense. 618. racefangurl posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just pointing out a source of more info on the Trevor/Johnson thing. 619. Rockstar posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not a Keselowski fan but he drove like that because he needed to. Stop hating on Keselowski. A 2nd wouldn't have gotten him into the next round. 620. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well put Dylan. Terry was a gentleman's driver of a different generation. Classy racer and a sincere person. Thanks Terry Labonte from a Dale Jarrett fan. 621. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "In fact, I think this will come to be the Brad Keselowski era." I'm not entirely sure that he will be THE man for the next decade (I think Logano, Larson, Chase Elliott, and possibly Ryan Blaney and Bubba Wallace are all going to become major championship contenders in that time), but I do agree that he probably will win at least one or two more titles, and will be one of the key guys from this era. I think he'll probably end up as the Tony Stewart of this era. You know, I think that's actually a really good comparison, in more ways than one. For me, I can't count the number of times my opinion on Brad has changed (I pulled for him in the JRM car, hated him once he and Carl had that stupid feud in Cup in 2010 and carried it down into NNS, pulled for him again from Pocono 2011 to his Cup title, and then have hated him again from 2013 to present). I think that type of polarization is almost of mirror of Tony (another driver who I've constantly fluctuated opinions on over the years). Not only that, but as I look at their career arcs, they are kind of eerily similar to each other there too. Obviously Tony was a rookie sensation and Brad was complete shit in his rookie year, but look at them from their second years on. Tony had a break out year in his second year (2000), just as Brad did in his (2011). And then, not long after, they both overcame adversity filled seasons (Tony with the cameraman fight and pissing off Home Depot, Brad more-so on the race track with battling the #48 dynasty) to win their first championships. And then after that, they both had mediocre title defenses, and then each followed that up with years where their on track success was overshadowed by them being complete dicks and pissing SO MANY people off. So I think that is exactly it. This is Brad's "Stewart 2004" type season. Obviously he has a shot now to win a championship (which Tony pretty much had no chance of in 2004), but as far as having a year where everybody truly realizes just how polarizing they are, this is Brad's year for that for sure. So yeah. I really hope Brad will redeem himself some time in the future by having a year like Tony in 2005 where he just shuts up and dominates in the race car, because I really want to like Brad and I think he is good for the sport. But until then, I'll be rooting against him, just like how I rooted hard against Tony during his "bad boy" era, or whatever you want to call it. 622. murb posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the upcoming tracks being some of the weaker ones for the others that figure to be up there (Harvick, Logano, and Keselowski)." I agree with you there for Keselowski, but not really for the other two. Harvick should be very good at both Texas and Phoenix (he's been good on the intermediates all year, and he's been by far the best driver in Cup at Phoenix since they reconfigured it in 2011), and I think Logano is going to be very good at all three (specifically Texas, but I also think he should be good at Phoenix and probably Martinsville too - don't forget that he has two short track wins this year - he's proven that he isn't afraid to race hard on those short tracks). 623. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Very well said, DSFF. You summed up exactly why I grew tired of Brad's act this year. We didn't "turn against" Brad for no reason. Brad turned his back on himself by converting into one of the divas. Those guys complain about anything they end up being on the bad end of, and Brad was victim to that when he first came into Cup. Denny Hamlin came right down across Brad's nose and wrecked himself at Dover in 2009, and Kyle Busch lost control of his car and slid up into Brad at Bristol 2010. Those two instances were clearly not Brad's fault, but those guys got mad at Brad anyway and acted like he just decided to wreck them when the replays of those deals clearly show otherwise. The reason they complained so much was because they had the diva mindset, that they could race others as hard as they wanted to but no one was allowed to race them hard. By the way, Denny is another driver who worked his way up the ranks and made it into Cup by earning his spot, yet he let the success of being a top Cup driver go to his head, resulting in me looking elsewhere for a favorite driver. So I pulled for Brad to become a top Cup driver and be a thorn in Denny and Kyle's side, and at the same time his personality matched everything I looked for in a driver to root for. Hard-nosed racer, confident, doesn't roll over for others who think they own the track and unapologetic towards guys who complain about him for that reason. But now Brad has converted into one of them. That much was evident after his actions last week. And at Richmond with Kenseth. And at Martinsville with Kurt. Like I said earlier, I still think he has the potential to be top dog of NASCAR, I just won't like seeing it since he no longer has the classy attitude he had when he won his first championship. 624. Dylan posted: 10.19.2014 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanks Jarrett88fan. 625. DH101 posted: 10.19.2014 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I come home I hear Brad won im like NEEEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUUU I hear Johnson didn't make it YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH 626. Seagal posted: 10.19.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "If there is anybody that deserves anger for their tactics at the end of the race, it's Matt Kenseth for pulling a "Greg Biffle Plate Race End-Game Tactic" against the guy he should have been trying his damn hardest to root out of the way." Matt did not have the speed he needed to pass Brad and sustain it till the flag. He said he needed a car in front and behind him to run up front. He also said Cassill had a good shove going but it was too soon. If he had pulled out, he likely would have been passed by a bunch of cars. He did what was best for his own finish. 627. d posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are the points wrong? It looks like the guys that got eliminated from the chase today didn't get credit for Talladega points. Busch is short 4 points, Johnson 22, Earnhardt 14, and Kahne 33. Nascar.com and Jayski have it wrong too, someone in the stats department for Nascar needs to be fired 628. Watto posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) DSFF, I get where you're coming from, but I honestly don't think Brad changed too much over the years. The moments that had me cringing last year were similar to moments that had me cringing years prior. To say that he ran like crap in 2013 would be a bit of an overstatement. His numbers were fairly similar, but he wasn't racking up wins. His laps led were fewer than 2012, but he still led like 500 laps on the year. He blew motors dominating races. They made poor strategy calls. Things weren't going right, but he wasn't exactly running like crap. " Non chaser Brad walks right past us, including his #1 fan, just saying "I gotta go". Seriously, it would have taken him 90 seconds max to scribble "Brad K" a few times." I really feel like too much is made of autograph stories. Drivers don't sign for everyone everywhere, people are always left out, so someone's always angry. What if he actually had to go? lol. I can't count how many stories I've read where people stop becoming fans over things like that. You have other reasons, but it's such a minor occurrence yet you put special emphasis on it. Brad's never been the biggest autograph guy to begin with, he often avoided the crowds and signing in 2009 when he was still driving for Jr. So I don't think he suddenly changed that much from 2012 to 2013. You just had more than one experience and the law of averages happened. Brad's an overly confident person, and he had that confidence before he even got a gig. He's also overly polite and a really nice guy to talk to away from all the cameras and media personalities which is why I support him even though I don't support everything he does. The differences between the 3 autograph scenarios are fairly telltale, of course. He was at his nicest when he was walking away from driver's meeting (aka hours before the race, there's no rush). Apparently he was shorter or nonexistent as he was walking to driver intros. And of course, the climax: he doesn't sign in 2013. As if he stopped at that point. As if you haven't seen a pre-race all year or noticed footage of him signing autographs while walking to intros practically every single week on ESPN. In other words, your feelings would be different if it was like most other experiences, where he just signs and moves on... which apparently he still does. But forget that, let's read really deeply into something beyond miniscule. 629. Watto posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "If there is anybody that deserves anger for their tactics at the end of the race, it's Matt Kenseth for pulling a "Greg Biffle Plate Race End-Game Tactic" against the guy he should have been trying his damn hardest to root out of the way." another superspeedway race, another person who still hasn't picked up how these cars work on these types of tracks despite watching for who knows how many years. The Greg Biffle hate is incredible. These guys know what they need in order to pull off a pass. When they don't have what they need, they KNOW they are going to get trained. Which sounds better to you? 2nd or 15th? 630. Watto posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I still love that Jimmie was driving the reincarnation of the 1994 #27 Junior Johnson Ford and failed to do what even Jimmy friggin' Spencer could do once all his helpers (all the Hendrick powered Chevrolet's & Paul Menard) disappeared from the front at the end." Not even remotely close to the same type of superspeedway racing, and not even remotely close to the same advantage that those Junior Johnson cars had. But you can pretend, if you like. 631. Matt G posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If there was no Chase, Jimmie Johnson and Kyle Larson would be tied for 8th and 9th in points. That should tell you all you need to know about how well the #42 team is running (for a rookie) and how poorly the #48 team is running (compared to normal). I know many people here were concerned about what Jimmie might do going forward if he won today, but the reality is that they just don't have it this year (It happens to all the greats; even Earnhardt had 1992 while winning four titles in five years). Looking back over the last 15 races, the #48 team has failed to finish in the top ten nine times, including four times in six Chase races. Now it's fair to say they've bee one of the eight best teams to this point and should have at least advanced to the next round, (and who knows, maybe he wins Martinsville if he gets there and sneaks into Homestead) but they have not been in any way, shape, or form one of the four best teams over 32 races so far - And especially since July. Looking at the non Chase standings, six of the top seven drivers (Gordon, Logano, Harvick, Brad, Kenseth, and Newman) are through. The only one who's really performed well all season and is locked out now is Jr. The last two guys are Edwards (who would be tenth without a Chase) and Hamlin (who would be 17th without the Chase, but is hot right now and headed to favorable tracks). So actually, this Championship structure has produced significant drama from Allmendinger and Kahne's wins to get in at Watkins Glen and Atlanta, to the craziness the was New Hampshire, to the mess in the garage after last week, to the unbelievable performance we saw today. So far, the biggest prices we've paid for that are Jr. getting locked out. Larson getting suck on the outside in 17th (when he's running so much better), and Edwards and Hamlin getting further than they probably should have here. Overall, not too bad. We'll see how things go from here. I expect some high quality performances from the sports best over the next three weeks. 632. Ty posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:23 am Rate this comment: (4) (0) Wow, Keselowski is receiving a lot of hate here. Personally, I don't mind Brad, mainly due to the fact that he isn't afraid to speak his mind and tell it like it is in a censored NASCAR world where drivers seem to get fined for saying a minor cuss word. I admire that about him. Sure, he's cocky. Sure, he can be a dick. But, he believes he's the best and that's a good thing. In a sport with dull drivers and dull races, we need that to keep the sport going with the attendance failing. Everyone needs to have that mentality. Brad also appears to be one of only a few drivers that is willing to stand up to NASCAR's love able and vanilla golden boy that has a "Golden Horseshoe stuck up his ass" (according to Harvick) and the most favorable "debris cautions" ever. Honestly, I'm surprised Keselowski hasn't gotten suspended for speaking his mind about the 48. Anyway, he did what he had to do and he succeeded. I also don't understand all the hate he's received for the last lap thing with Ryan Newman. The man was racing for his season; if he finished second, third, fourth, 23rd, 35th, or wherever, he wouldn't be in. He HAD to win to advance and he was gonna do what he had to do in order to make that happen. And there is no one on this planet that can tell me that, if Jimmie or Junior were in the same spot, they wouldn't do the same thing. They would've done everything in their power, as well, just like Brad. If Junior had done what Brad did, everyone would be praising Junior for his "racing ability" and "strive to advance". Brad did what he had to do if he wants to win a second title. End of story. I applaud him for that. 633. Sector posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) So as of now, this inaugural chase format is anti-Jimmie Johnson. Why? Because Jimmie Johnson's streak of leading the points ends this year. Yep. That's right. From 2004 to 2013, Jimmie Johnson went 10 straight years of at least leading the points once throughout the season. The only other time he hasn't done that was the final season before the chase, was 2003(Oh come on, please don't bring up the Chase reset crap. I still view it as Brad Keselowski leading the points via tie-breaker). Let's not forget that he's also the only rookie to ever had the points lead (2002). Let's also mention, Jimmie Johnson has never went through the chase winless before. Will that hold this year? We're already more than halfway through the chase (6 down, 4 to go). I hope I'm not jinxing this as we're going to Martinsville next week, but I am hoping he remains with 3 wins & we see more out of Jeff Gordon the final 4 instead of the 48 coming back to life. Also, while we were witnessing the closing stages, I was thinking to myself while Johnson was leading: "Why are the drivers actually working with Johnson by keeping him up front? This is an excellent shot to get their first championships if they keep him from winning this one race! I mean look @ 2011, even Tony Stewart can't win the Chase this time around." Of course, there's Brad Keselowski, whom I was thinking the same thing, but man oh man I would have loved to see Ryan Newman beat him in that last lap. Oh well. I hope I'm not proven wrong, but I have a great feeling that we're going to see a new champion crown at Homestead. I mean finally! I sure hope the final four at these folks: Jeff Gordon, Kevin Harvick, Joey Logano & Brad Keselowski(I'd like Kenseth to be in instead of Brad). I would love a battle for the win between Jeff Gordon & Kevin Harvick to see who is crowned, but don't count Joey out because he's a late race monster as we've seen so many times this season. Here's my feelings if they were to win: Brad Keselowski- Second championship in his 5th season? Alright, cool. I don't really want him to win a bunch of championships early on though. I'd like to see someone else win instead. Matt Kenseth: Man I really wanted him to win last year. It would be pretty sweet if he can get it done this year. Especially since Jason Ratcliff IS one of my favorite crew chiefs after all. I don't like the thought of a winless champ in Cup though... Ryan Newman: Same as above but....those lack of top 5's? I would feel this would be a bit....unnatural & messed up to be honest. I hope not but nothing against Ryan. Denny Hamlin: The only thing that would bug me, since this isn't the 50's or 70's, is that he can win this championship after missing one race(Chase or no Chase). Yeah. Otherwise I would be okay with it. Kevin Harvick: Oh yeah. Trust me, I'm all for this guy winning his first Cup. He's got one hell of a career. Those crown jewel wins, the photo finishes, everything else. A Cup would complete his resume no doubt. Yeah, I'm 50% rooting for this guy! Jeff Gordon: My other 50%? Of course I would root for my two favorite drivers in Nascar, Jeff Gordon is my all-time favorite since the day I was born. That exclusive fifth championship would be amazing, especially since he's actually never won "The Chase." I do, however, want him to score the most points this year, to tie Richard Petty & Dale Earnhardt for most in that category (Which is 7). He's only 38 points ahead of Logano, though if Jeff can finish top 10's the final 4 races, he'll be alright. Carl Edwards: He's alright. I was really rooting for him to win back in 2011. Shame he lost by a tie-breaker. He was so close & hasn't been the same since. Imagine how he felt at the time. Such a heart break. I would love to see him win a championship with Gibbs instead. Forget Roush, though it would be pretty sweet if he can go out with a championship, I wouldn't complain. Joey Logano: If this was last year or the year before, I would say hell no. But after witnessing how beastly he became this year, I'd say it'd be super deserving & not a waste of title for the year. I would like to see him get it done, but I much certainly prefer Harvick or Gordon. It'll be an interesting battle down the stretch. 634. WinstonCupStandings posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:59 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Top 11 (that are on the big teams) 1) Jeff Gordon (4534) -Leader 2) Joey Logano (4408) -126 3) Brad Keselowski (4321) -213 4) Kevin Harvick (4253) -281 5) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (4208) -326 6) Matt Kenseth (4146) -388 7) Jimmie Johnson (4047) -487 8) Ryan Newman (4038) -496 9) Kyle Larson (4015) -519 10) Carl Edwards (3964) -570 11) Kyle Busch (3767) -767 -Out 635. b4il3y posted: 10.20.2014 - 3:00 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) 611. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.19.2014 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (6) Dislike this comment (3) Here is the deal with Brad from me, the guy who used to be at the head of the Brad train, and now hates him 25% as much as I hate Geoff Bodine (which means I hate him a lot). You lost my respect at the Bodine comment. You confirmed my thoughts looking at the messages for years now, that you really have no clue about racing. Bodine could, and I repeat, could have been a champion in nascar. Yes, he was aggressive, but he was by no means a bad driver. 1994 confirmed for me how good he was, but maybe too aggressive for his setups. Calling him out confirmed for me, that you really, really have no clue about who is a good driver, and who is not. If you dont like this post, I dont care. I think everyone that has seen my posts knows that I don't care about thumbs up, I just tell it how it is in my opinion. BTW, Landon Cassill, great job. I think this is a guy that could be a next Jeff Burton if someone gives him a chance. 636. Hinch77 posted: 10.20.2014 - 4:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Conspiracy theories and inane arguing left, right, and center. There's a reason I rarely post anymore. This place has really gone downhill " I've been on this site since BEFORE there even were race comments. When the comments came out in late 2004, all hell broke loose. The comments would be like this: KB97Man: "Congrats to Kurt on the win today" Jim Bob: "Kurt Busch is a cheating piece of sh*t. Go kill yourself you piece of sh*t." KB97Man: "What did I say wrong?" Jim Bob: "How dare you threaten me like that? Blah blah blah" Frasier: "I hope someone stabs Ward Burton for driving like an idiot today." And there'd maybe 5 or 6 more comments like that for the entire race! 637. Hinch77 posted: 10.20.2014 - 6:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two teams got two cars in the top 10 yesterday... Stewart-Haas and Circle Sport Both time's Brad Keselowski has run the "Redd's Apple Ale" colors he has gone on to win the race. 638. The Crimson King posted: 10.20.2014 - 7:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've been on this site since BEFORE there even were race comments. When the comments came out in late 2004, all hell broke loose." I'll say it again, go on /sp/ one of these days and you'll see a REAL hellhole. Especially on racedays. Though don't do it work, that'll probably get you fired. Its easy to say that anonymity makes people into assholes, but I just think that people are that way naturally. I think humans are naturally hateful, given the proper opportunity. Its groupthink that keeps people from expressing those opinions. The internet removes the groupthink barrier, so in essence you have people acting like shitlords. 639. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.20.2014 - 8:29 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) The Brad autograph from Darlington 2012 was 30 minutes before driver intros. He was already in his driver's suit. And I have made my feelings on Bodine's racing ability quite clear in the past. As for Peyton, now he has another big regular season statistical achievement to try to mask his position as the biggest post season failure ever. It's not just that he has the most playoff losses. It is the astounding number of times his team has easily plowed through the regular season only to completely crap out in the playoffs. The number of home losses and losses where they were the favorite going in (this includes Super Bowl 44 and the Wild Card loss in San Diego against the 8-8 Chargers) just destroy his legacy. He is Dan Marino, if only Marino's defense and running game had heated up at the right time for 4 straight playoff games like Peyton's did in '06. 640. Brad Keselowski & Bubba Wallace Fan posted: 10.20.2014 - 10:59 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Cmon guys, I know he's is not a huge favorite on here, but JJ is a, YOUR!, six-time champion - show a little respect " They were Chase titles, so it's nowhere near what Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, or even Cale Yarborough accomplished. I respect the hell out of him though. "Good Lord this comment board is becoming a bigger hell hole then Detroit, St Louis, Oakland & Baltimore combined." Most comment boards are. If you think this site is bad, for the love of God stay away from YouTube, where everything is "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY RON PAUL 2012". "Look I'll say it again. I understand why people don't like Brad as a person. He is arrogant and annoying. But anyone who denies his talent must be blind." I see him more as a refreshing personality than an annoyance, but everyone has their likes & dislikes. It's all good. I've always liked Brad, and really became a fan when he pushed his brother into the 500 in '11. I remember screaming at my TV when Brad Daugherty said he wouldn't win the Championship in 2012, and then he did. I don't agree with everything he does, but on the whole I like the guy. If others don't that's their business. 641. racefangurl posted: 10.20.2014 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I try not to hate drivers, but I get mad at them sometimes. I guess Bad Brad has made a lot of people mad. I'd prefer his teammate Joey beat him for the championship, but I biased. I was mad at Bad Brad after Charlotte, but now it's Johnson. I'm GLAD Johnson won't be champ this year. My mad feeling lasts until their next race when I'm mad at a driver. 642. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was at the race and let me say a few things: 1) As mentioned in post #16, at every race I've ever attended in person, the #14 car has suffered damaged in an accident. Sunday brought that total to 6 for 6. Again, I apologize to all the Tony Stewart fans. 2) MASSIVE roar from the stands when Danica to took the lead from Johnson with about 20 to go. Honestly, it may have been louder than when Jr. led earlier on. 3) Disappointed Jr. got eliminated, but satisfied with the final 8 especially since there won't be a Jimmie Johnson repeat. 4) I don't doubt that there was an understanding from some of the Chevy drivers that they should try and help Johnson win if they couldn't win it themselves, but it certainly wasn't to the extremes some of you guys think it was. 5) I'm ambivalent towards Brad. I don't hold his personality against him, the sport needs vibrant personalities like that. Doesn't he make it interesting? Having said that, I really didn't want him to win, but I think some of y'alls dislike for Brad is causing y'all to look too much into that "dirty" move he made on the last lap. It was the last lap at Talladega, for God's sake, and his season was on the line. What was he supposed to do? Settle in, finish second, and get eliminated? The move didn't even affect Ryan Newman. Also, whether that move is illegal and considered dirty in other forms of racing is completely irrelevant. 6) The crowd looked good from where I was (90-95% full, even) and most of them seemed to be like murb and really enjoy the race, myself included. 7) I did, however, notice a lot of fan negativity on Twitter after the race, but I think that had more to do with Jr. getting eliminated than anything. Twitter isn't a reliable gage of fan opinion, anyway. 643. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Both time's Brad Keselowski has run the "Redd's Apple Ale" colors he has gone on to win the race." And the third time, he lost to Jr. after an ill timed grill-cleaning maneuver off of Danica's car. ;) 644. Sector posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will admit, I was all for Danica Patrick winning this race when she took the lead from Johnson. I really want her to score a victory one of these days. 645. racefangurl posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I=I'm. I'm not a real Brad Keselowski fan and never have been. I'm a Joey fan and beside Keselowski has a championship. Wasn't Gordon about the age Joey is now when he won his first championship? 646. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.20.2014 - 12:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Twitter isn't a reliable gage of fan opinion, anyway." The fan council is. ;-) 647. Sector posted: 10.20.2014 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey is a year too late, if this was last year, then sure, you could say there were in the same age in comparison. Jeff has Joey beat in terms of being a younger Cup champion. 648. Schroeder51 posted: 10.20.2014 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, I did miss most of this race, but I did get to see the last 50 laps or so (and I saw some of the earlier highlights on NASCAR.com), so I would like to offer my thoughts on this race. -Not exactly happy to see Keselowski win this race after the bullcrap he pulled last week at Charlotte, but I don't think I can really fault him for his moves on the last lap to block Ryan Newman; it's the last lap at Talladega and I'm sure most anyone else would try to do something similar to protect the win. How amazingly ironic it is that Keselowski and Kenseth finished 1-2 a week after their controversial fight. Reminds me of how Gordon and Bowyer finished 1-2 at Homestead a couple of years ago after their Phoenix fight... -I thought Kyle Busch was all but a lock to make it to Round 3 seeing how he entered this race in second place in points. Then he got caught up in the Big One, finished 40th, and got eliminated (I'm amazed that they even fixed his car seeing how badly torn up it was...) I knew Kyle wasn't going to have a perfect Chase and I strongly doubted he'd make the final four, but I certainly didn't anticipate him getting eliminated in THIS round. Then again, I'm not entirely surprised to see it happen...Also, Austin Dillon lived up to the "weapon" status he had back at Daytona. -Interesting to see that Gordon was the only Hendrick driver to not be eliminated in this round (I thought Kahne would move on as well). The Drive for Five is still alive! This would be only the second time ever that Gordon finished ahead of Johnson in points... -Landon Cassill finally got his first top 10! (A top 5, at that!) After seeing him miss out on a top 10 finish at the first Talladega race when the field reverted back to the previous scoring loop as a result of a last lap crash, it's great to see him finally break through. Great run for Kvapil as well! -It's a shame Terry Labonte couldn't get a good finish in his final race, but nonetheless, he did have a very good career. Hope he does get into the Hall of Fame someday... Like I said, I didn't get to see much of this race, but for the most part, it looked it was a pretty good race (although Jimmie Johnson was leading for most of the time I actually saw it). Keselowski winning certainly does throw a monkey wrench in my final four predictions, since I was anticipating him getting eliminated! 649. Sector posted: 10.20.2014 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Joey is a year too late, if this was last year, then sure, you could say they were in the same age in comparison. Jeff has Joey beat in terms of being a younger Cup champion." Correction 650. Hinch77 posted: 10.20.2014 - 1:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sad news: Raymond Beadle, the founder of Blue Max racing, has passed away. Beadle was the owner and drivers champion of the NHRA Funny Car championship in 1979, 1980, and 1981, and the IHRA Funny Car championship in 1975, 1976, and 1981. Beadle also owned the car with which Rusty Wallace won the 1989 Winston Cup title with. RIP Raymond Beadle 651. David posted: 10.20.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When all is said and done, Keselowski is basically a more polarizing (and experienced) version of his Penske teammate. "I think some of y'alls dislike for Brad is causing y'all to look too much into that "dirty" move he made on the last lap.' No kidding. That one move didn't affect Newman in the least, as you said, and Brad was doing what he had to do. So, Zackary Shawn, was there thunderous booing from the crowd in response to Keselowski's win? "This would be only the second time ever that Gordon finished ahead of Johnson in points..." Unless Gordon is eliminated prior to Homestead and Johnson overtakes him in points. 652. David posted: 10.20.2014 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also of note: this was Kyle Larson's first finish outside of the top ten during the Chase thus far. 653. Seagal posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Thanks to Home Depot for 15 years of racing. Sad to see them go. I'm disappointed it wasn't mentioned during the broadcast. 654. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So, Zackary Shawn, was there thunderous booing from the crowd in response to Keselowski's win?" I don't think there was any mass response either for or against the Keselowski win. I personally was a little disappointed because I would have rather seen Newman win. I did hear one guy say he "f**king hates Brad Keselowski" while walking out after the race. Also, I think there will be at least one surprise in the final four. Denny Hamlin is pretty good at Martinsville and I wouldn't count Edwards out at Phoenix. I think Texas will definitely be won by one of the favorites, though. 655. cjs3872 posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll take it a step farther, Matt G (#631), as far as Jimmie Johnson's disappointing 2014 is concerned. Before the race at Talladega, Johnson had led a total of 28 laps in the previous 16 races combined, or less than two laps led per race on average for more than four months. If nothing else tells you how much Jimmie had been struggling, compared to how he usually runs, that one stat should say it all. And murb (#622), the only reason Joey Logano might be any good at Martinsville may have to do with what he undoubtedly learned from Denny Hamlin in the years they were teammates at JGR. He even ran second to Hamlin there once. But I'm not sure Harvick's that good at Martinsville, either, nor am I convinced that his team won't let him down, no matter how fast his cars happen to be. One reason I'm leaning toward Hamlin making it through ahead of Harvick is that he has a better team (meaning pit crew) behind him, as well as Hamlin's history at the next three tracks. I also like Carl Edwards and Matt Kenseth quite a bit for the same reason. I think that, of all the teams left with a shot at the title, Harvick's might be the weakest of them all (weaker than even Newman's is), despite having arguably the strongest car in the series this year, and I'm not convinced that hasn't been met out for the final time. With all the things that has happened with Harvick this year, I think there may be one final thing that happens to take him out of contention, whether it's a pit road mistake or a mechanical problem, I think something could very well happen to Harvick to knock him out. I also think Brad Keselowski may have a hard time advancing, if only because of all the enemies he's made, and that might come back to bite him at the most inopportune time. If I had to predict who I think NASCAR's Final Four is going to be, I'd say Jeff Gordon, Joey Logano, and Denny Hamlin are three of my final four, and the other spot figures to be between Keselowski, Kenseth, and Edwards, because I think Harvick's team is too mistake-prone to advance past this round, regardless of how fast his cars are, and I don't see either Keselowski or Harvick being much of a factor this coming weekend at Martinsville. One other factor to consider is how Jimmie Johnson may factor in to who might advance. Remember that, given how well he usually runs at Martinsville and Phoenix, any race he might win would then open another spot a driver has to advance via points. Right now, only the points leader is guaranteed to advance to the final round via points, but if a non-championship eligible driver wins a race, which has suddenly become a very distinct possibility with Johnson and Kyle Busch missing out on the next round, that would open up another spot for drivers to get in via points. And speaking of Kyle Busch, his record remains perfect through another Chase (or imperfect, to look at it another way). He still has yet to win a Chase race in a Chase in which he's eligible for the championship, and that streak continues for at least another year. 656. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.20.2014 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, I saw on Twitter after the race that Mike Wallace tried to start-and-park, but Twitter outrage due to the fact an S&P car was in while Stenhouse and Allgaier were out may have played a role in him coming back out. Don't know if that's the truth or not, but they finished the race. 657. racefangurl posted: 10.20.2014 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought Joey's age now and Gordon's age when he was first champion were close. Well, I'm only 6 months older than Joey, so I was a kid when Gordon won his championships. So I wasn't exactly sure how old Gordon was when he won his first championship. I guess Joey's a few months older than Gordo was at the time of his first championship. I checked Gordo's page. Joey turned 24 in May this year and Gordo was 24 that August. This site uses how old they were at halfway through the year for their age that year, I saw somewhere. 658. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.20.2014 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For those who are woundering why there was smoke in the tri-oval around the white/checkered flag time frame, Tony blew the a tire and spun out (through the grass) and stopped on pit road (pretty close too the wall tho.) BSPN missed it and didn't even bring it up. 659. Sector posted: 10.20.2014 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also of note: this was Kyle Larson's first finish outside of the top ten during the Chase thus far." Add Joey Logano to that list too. He was so close. No one has ever finish in the top 10 in all 10 Chase races before. Jeff Gordon (2007) & Carl Edwards (2011) were the closest, & they had one 11th (Dover for Gordon, Talladega for Edwards) to prevent that record. Right now, it may look like Joey Logano will join that top 11 group if he manages to finish top 10 the remaining races. 660. Sean posted: 10.20.2014 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I also don't see why people are so outraged about Brad's move. It was the last lap and as I recall pretty much everybody (especially Johnson) was making aggressive blocks after taking the lead. Blocking is and always has been legal in NASCAR. Maybe you think it shouldn't be, but it is and everyone else was doing it. Brad was singled out because he is punk, but really, which of the remaining championship contenders is likable at all? In my view, it's really only Logano and I only like him mildly. Honestly, Brad's move was more justified since he needed to do that to win and it was so late in the race than some similar things Johnson did earlier in the race. It was a clutch performance and I can respect that even if I don't like him. I further don't understand how so many fans seem to conflate personality with driving talent. DSFF clearly is not doing that (he respects Bodine's talent but loathes his personality) and b4il3y misunderstood. But I see a LOT of talk here and elsewhere about how champions are supposed to be 'classy' or 'respectable' or 'honorable' as if champions should be held to a higher standard than other drivers. I don't get THAT at all. If you believe drivers should be held to a certain standard of decency, then you should believe they all should, but believing that classiness should be a characteristic of a champion (as if classiness shouldn't be a characteristic of every driver, or as if it were more important than talent in determining the champion? Honestly, most champions/dominant drivers HAVEN'T been classy (at least on the track) and that is why they are successful. It does make it hard for me to actually root for most drivers regularly winning races though...) It frankly astounds me how many people can't make this distinction. It does seem most fans like to make excuses for drivers they like and criticize drivers they don't like for similar things. Brad Keselowski made an aggressive block on Ryan Newman and won the race when he had no other choice if he wanted to remain championship-eligible. Since NASCAR does not make such rules illegal, I'm okay with it, even though almost everyone (including myself) dislikes Brad. Everybody loves Alex Zanardi. As a result, nobody cares that he passed Bryan Herta on the last lap at Laguna Seca in 1996 despite cutting the corner and then blocking the crap out of Herta. It's seen as part of Zanardi's passion and it created an image of Herta as a wuss who wouldn't fight for anything. Yet, in that instance, Herta was clearly the sportsman (I was happy to see him win the Indy 500 as a car owner with Wheldon regardless). Zanardi was certainly more talented than Herta, but that's the point. Sportsmanship may be preferable to lack of sportsmanship and I agree but it isn't what makes you a champion. You know, winning a championship does. If it's a driver everyone likes, this sort of move will be chalked up to "passion"; if it's a driver everyone hates, this would be considered "douchebaggery". (Consider the way Ayrton Senna was not criticized for the same sorts of things Michael Schumacher was criticized for later, although now that Schumacher is in a coma, it looks like he's going to be viewed the same way as Senna now, even though he was considered a complete villain when he was driving). 661. Sean posted: 10.20.2014 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I should add when making this comparison between Keselowski and Zanardi that Keselowski blocked when blocking was legal and Zanardi cut the course and blocked when by CART rules, that was technically illegal but nobody cared because it was such an exciting finish. Also, Keselowski has already won a championship while Zanardi at that time hadn't. 662. The Crimson King posted: 10.20.2014 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @660 To be fair, I always considered Senna and Schumacher two of the dirtiest drivers ever in F1. It's not like I'm being picky about my own standards here. 663. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.20.2014 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Thanks for the memories Raymond Beadle. First off, your cars always had the coolest paint schemes. That red and gold Old Milwaukee is still my favorite scheme ever. The blue and silver Alugard car was also beautiful, and the white and green car with the Kodiak bear on the hood was just cool. Not to mention it provided the perfect Yin to Dale's Black and silver #3. Also, you gave Rusty his big break in high dollar equipment. Thus you launched one of the most storied and popular careers. And you launched one of the greatest, most intense, and most fun to watch rivalries ever, Rusty vs Dale. Two badasses, two intense competitors, two friends who pushed each other to legendary heights. And over an 11 year stretch from '85-'95, only one driver finished ahead of Dale in points two years in a row. Only one driver ever went head to head with Dale down the stretch for the championship and came away with the Winston Cup, and it was Rusty in Raymond Beadle's car. God speed Raymond. You made NASCAR better. 664. Anonymous posted: 10.20.2014 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Disagree with me if you want to, but I think Nascar should dump the chase and go back to going all year to determine the champion. 665. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.20.2014 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sportsmanship may be preferable to lack of sportsmanship and I agree but it isn't what makes you a champion." Sometimes you have too be a toolbox too get ahead in the world, auto racing is no different. Just imagen if the mainstream media would look at auto racing and realize what there guys (and gals) do sometimes, it would make their heads spin. It isn't just "good boys and girl playing with cars" oh hell no. There are some ruthless people out there. "It does seem most fans like to make excuses for drivers they like and criticize drivers they don't like for similar things." Hypocracy at its finest. "It frankly astounds me how many people can't make this distinction." NASCAR fans are not the smartest people in the world. (that isn't too anyone on here, people here get it, most do not) I'm ok with what Brad did but you know what? Kudos too Ryan Newman, he kept his foot on the gas and damn near won the race. 666. Scott B posted: 10.20.2014 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Entry list for Martinsville up, 43 cars for 43 spots, no DNQ drama: #32 Kyle Fowler (huh?) #44 Timmy Hill #66 Mike Wallace again #83/#93 Drivers TBA No #21, no #95. 667. Daniel posted: 10.20.2014 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Go Gordon! 668. Anonymous posted: 10.20.2014 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 43 entered at Martinsville: -Kyle Fowler in the #32 -Timmy Hill in the #44 -Mike Wallace in the #66 -#83 TBA -#93 TBA -#12, #21, #29, #49, #95 not entered 669. cjs3872 posted: 10.20.2014 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sean, the reason people like me hold champions to a higher standard than the others is because they should be held to a higher standard. A champion in any sport, regardless of what sport it is, or when they were a champion, represents that entire sport as a champion for the rest of their life, and whether they like it or not, they're going to have the spotlight of being a champion, and all the pressures that come with that honor and distinction follow them for the rest of their lives. It's how one deals with that pressure that separates them from the rest. That's where guys like Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, and most of the rest of NASCAR's champions have showed through the years that they were not only champions on the track, but conducted themselves in an equal manner off the track, because they knew that they represent the very best their profession has to offer. And the same is true in the other sports as well. It was once said about Arnold Palmer that, as great a golfer as he was, that he was an even better person. And of course, there's the class that guys like Willie Mays and Hank Aaron still show, even to this day, more than 35 years after they retired as the greatest players of their generation, champions both. It's one thing to become a champion, but it's something completely different to represent your sport with the class becoming of a champion. Muhammad Ali may be the most famous athlete in history, not just because of what he did in the ring, but because of how he's handled himself away from the ring, especially in the last 30 years since he got his Parkinson's Disease. There might not be a more popular person on the planet than Ali is, and has been since his retirement in 1981. And DSFF, the team Raymond Beadle once owned is now Penske Racing, and was started by M.C. Anderson in 1977, and that team has had some of NASCAR's best in their cars, no matter who owned the team. Men like Buddy Baker, Benny Parsons, Cale Yarborough, Tim Richmond, and Rusty drove that #27 car (Sam Sommers was that team's first driver), and that team had a rivalry with Earnhardt going back at least to when Cale drove that car, and Earnhardt drove for Bud Moore (if not going back to when Benny ran that car in 1979 and '80, with Earnhardt driving for Rod Osterlund). M.C. wanted Cale to run the full circuit after the 1982 season, and when Cale refused and moved on to Harry Ranier's team for 1983, M.C. sold the team to Raymond Beadle, who then put Tim Richmond in it. And a budding rivalry between Richmond and Earnhardt began to ignite, even before Richmond joined Hendrick Motorsports, and when Rusty replaced Richmond in the #27 car in 1986, bringing the Alugard sponsorship with him from Cliff Stewart's team (Alugard sponsored Rusty in 1985 when he was still driving for Cliff Stewart), he showed that he took a back seat to nobody, and by 1988, they were ready to win the title, falling just short in '88 as Bill Elliott beat Rusty, and then winning the title in '89, which would have been much easier than it ended up being, if not for the lapped car of Stan Barrett at Phoenix. Then Kodiak, as had been the case with Tim Richmond previously, moved to Hendrick Motorsports and the #25 car, with Miller moving from the Stavola Brothers to Beadle's Blue Max team, but the financial problems that nearly torpedoed their '89 title effort got to Beadle in 1990, and even though they won twice, including Rusty's only crown jewel win, the 1990 Coca-Cola 600, the team was sold to Roger Penske for 1991, with Penske getting 52% of the team and both Rusty and Don Miller getting 24% each. The car number was then changed from 27, the number the team had been running since their inception in 1977, to #2, which he had to purchase from D.K. Ulrich, partly because Penske had run the number previously with Dave Marcis and Bobby Allison, and partly because Penske preferred a single-digit car number rather than the double-digit #27 the team had always run. 670. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.20.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "the reason people like me hold champions to a higher standard than the others is because they should be held to a higher standard." Ben, you wanna take this one or should I? 671. Watto posted: 10.20.2014 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Others have mentioned it, but I, too, am a little surprised by the hatred of Brad's driving on the final lap. That's superspeedway racing no matter who's up front. He had Newman cleared, wanted to get up in front of him to defend and also get a better push down the back by simply having a closer car, but Newman had a run, and when Newman got the nose high and went higher on the track to go around Brad, you saw Brad quickly go back down the track. That's superspeedway racing. Like it or not, the leader's going to try the same stuff no matter who it is. Had he simply ran Ryan Newman into the wall and ended both of their races, it would've been a different story. That was a clean fight. 672. murb posted: 10.20.2014 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "am a little surprised by the hatred of Brad's driving on the final lap." I've honestly seen only like three people complain about it, so I really don't think it's being made that big of a deal. But I agree, they were racing for the win on the last lap. All bets are off. 673. David posted: 10.20.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Disagree with me if you want to, but I think Nascar should dump the chase and go back to going all year to determine the champion." You'd be hard-pressed to find someone here who disagrees with that statement. But unfortunately, that's not going to happen (at least not in the foreseeable future). 674. Evan posted: 10.20.2014 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What Brad Keselowski did is no different than anyone would do, your season is on the line, you would do whatever it took to get to that victory, at least it's safe to say that Brad Keselowski does not back down from anything. I enjoy Brad Keselowski's personality and watching him race, he's definitely cocky and his racing ruffles a lot of feathers but no champion race car drivers got anywhere by not taking risks, sometimes it's the driver, the crew chief, or even an owner that takes the chance and that chance has the potential for great rewards be it for a win, or ultimately a championship. Brad Keselowski has taken plenty of risks and he is that departure from the clean-cut drivers that toe the company line and Brad has made a laundry list of drivers mad and I always get very pumped up when Brad is racing around Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin, and Carl Edwards whom he was often at odds with in the Nationwide Series. The one thing Brad brings is attention to the sport, look at how many people are talking about his move on here. Brad K is good for NASCAR. 675. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.20.2014 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fire Away DSFF 676. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.20.2014 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had no problem whatsoever with how Brad won this race. He is a true racer, and will do what it takes to succeed in this sport. I would hope most of the field would do the same thing had they been in Brad's shoes. It's just his past antics this year I have a problem with. It was great to see Landon Cassill and the #40 team ride the wonderboat to his first Top 5 finish. Ragan and Gilliland rode that same wonderboat in both Talladega races last year, and Kvapil and Mears also did so in this race by capitalizing on a rare chance for a good finish. 677. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.20.2014 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The one thing Brad brings is attention to the sport, look at how many people are talking about his move on here. Brad K is good for NASCAR." I'll never doubt Brad is good for NASCAR but the media will ignore him (mostly until he does something too piss everyone off) in favor of Junior, Kyle Busch and Danica (although too her credit for this race, she did a hell of a job staying with Jimmie until Truex pushed her by and stayied in front of him.) Brad K. can do something Jimmie Johnson could never do as champion: Bring the sport attention (although it is not all Jimmies fault really. Jimmie is a funny guy with personality off-track, shame his sponser will not let him show it on-track.) 678. joey2448 posted: 10.21.2014 - 1:46 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And racefangurl, if Trevor got spun out on the last lap, then that would explain how he fell all the way back to the last car on the lead lap. I simply thought he ran out of fuel. We didn't see anything on the coverage to indicate that..." What are you talking about? Did you even watch the final restart? Jimmie Johnson restarted ninth and Trevor Bayne was seventh (both lined up on the inside lane), and as soon as the field crossed the line to begin the final two laps, Jimmie pulled out to try and pass Bayne on the inside, but Bayne blocked, essentially turning himself. I seriously don't know how you missed it. "But I'm not sure Harvick's that good at Martinsville" He won there spring 2011. I know he's been rather inconsistent there throughout his career, but that's gotta count for something. 679. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.21.2014 - 3:27 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) By the way, judging by his comments after the race Sunday, getting rid of Brad isn't even on Roger Penske's radar despite what some of you predicted on the Bank of America 500 page. In fact, Mr. Penske even went as far as saying Brad getting upset with other drivers is OK with him and that he thinks others (i.e. Hamlin) are jealous of him. He also said Brad getting fired up and then winning the next week was well worth the $50,000 penalty. Yes, Penske got rid of Kurt, but I see two completely different situations at play there. Keep in mind, at that point in his career, Kurt wasn't much of a team player. If one little thing went wrong, Kurt would scream and swear at his crew like nobody's business. The driver is supposed to be the leader of the team, but Kurt was often demoralizing to his guys. As far as I know, Brad doesn't have a history of doing such things. Also, remember it wasn't getting angry with other drivers that broke the camel's back with regards to the Kurt/Penske relationship. It was yelling and cursing at a well respected member of the media that did that. Again, as far as I know, Brad has never done such a thing. 680. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.21.2014 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) "the reason people like me hold champions to a higher standard than the others is because they should be held to a higher standard." And people say I'M arrogant? I am, but this has even me cringing. "The reason I do this is because it absolutely is the way it should be done". Just because, unlike me, he makes an effort to sound professional and makes no irreverent crude jokes and has never called Geoff Bodine a smart mouthed, know it all, annoying as hell, holier than thou Yankee bastard, doesn't mean isn't an arrogant ass, like me. If anything, his attempts to mask his arrogance makes him a phony arrogant shithead, while I am just a regular arrogant shithead. As for sportsmanship, the simple fact is, with very few exceptions, the all time greats in all sports are mostly assholes. Michael Jordan is probably the greatest competitor ever, a dazzling, ruthless player whose individual greatness across the board is unsurpassed, and his ability in the clutch in possibly the best ever. And he was, and still is, a major dick. But we still love MJ. Dale Earnhardt? On track he was never anything but an asshole to anyone. But, like fellow Tar Heel MJ, he is the greatest ever in his sport and also the greatest clutch competitor ever. The King? Super super nice......... to the fans. His competitors will tell you a different story. Babe Ruth? Mickey Mantle? TY COBB? Don't get me started. And Bob Gibson, the greatest post season pitcher ever, wouldn't hesitate to place a 95 mph fastball right in the center...... of your temple. Stay off the goddamn plate. I would love see Barry Bonds in his prime go against Gibson in his prime and try to crowd the plate. That big head of his would be a nice big target. Oh, and Muhammad Ali? The guy you mentioned? Sonny Liston and Smoking Joe Frazier both went to their graves hating his guts. Go back and listen to Ali's interviews talking about Smoking Joe. Calling him ugly, saying he looks like a gorilla (something even black people couldn't do nowadays). Was it entertaining as hell? Oh yeah. But not very classy. Classy is boring. 681. racefangurl posted: 10.21.2014 - 12:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm in some Trevor fan groups and someone said Johnson spun Trevor. I saw what Watto said here. 682. cjs3872 posted: 10.21.2014 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) DSFF, the point you mention about Ali is exactly why I pointed to his life after his career ended, because I couldn't agree with you any more if I wanted to about some of what he did and said during his career, even though he later admitted that most of what he said was stuff he knew to be untrue, but said it just to pump up the fights he was about to have. But I think another reason Ali resonates with so many people all around the world is because he's proof that you can be knocked down (both literally and figuratively) and come back up. And of course, there was no meaner athlete on the playing field on which he competed than Dick Butkus, who I think is the greatest football player that ever lived. Yet, as mean and great as he was when he played, he's always seemed to be equally as kind a person off the field, and has always seemed to live up to the highest of standards. And of course, not all great superstars are infallible. Magic Johnson gave himself the HIV virus, Michael Jordan nearly torpedoed his career because of gambling, Pete Rose and Joe Jackson got thrown out of baseball and are not in the Baseball Hall of Fame for that very same reason, both Paul Hornung and Alex Karras were suspended for the 1963 NFL season by a real commissioner, Pete Rozelle, again for gambling, and Karras has still not gotten into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and it took Hornung much longer to get in than it should have for that very same reason. And of course, there are the sagas of Ty Cobb and Mike Tyson, who acted off their respective playing fields like anything but the legendary performers they were on the field, although Cobb did straighten his act later in life and became an ambassador for his game. And of course, Jim Brown has had a seemingly endless amount of problems off the field since his career ended, but still remains one of his sport's greatest ambassadors. I'm not saying that the great athletes are going to live up to the higher standard that greatness on the fields they compete on demand. Not at all. What I'm saying is that the great ones do have a higher standard to live up to, compared to the ones that don't produce the same level of greatness, whether they like it or not. Whether they conform to that standard is their choice, and those that I mentioned above in this post, at times, did not live up to that, which makes those that have consistently lived up to that higher standard, both on and off the playing fields of their choosing, even greater role models for those watching what they do, because whether they like it or not, or whether they should even be put on such a pedestal, people of all ages look up to them because of what they represent, and I don't think that's more important than in auto racing, where the performers represent huge corporations. 683. cjs3872 posted: 10.21.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, clearing up one of the things from the aftermath of this race. remember Ryan Newman's car being too low in post-race inspection, and the fact that damage done during the race may have been the culprit? Well, earlier today, it was ruled that Newman and his team will not penalized, as NASCAR has ruled that it was damage done in the race that caused him to initially fail post-race inspection (his car got damage from an incident at lap 102). All's clear with the #31 car from this race at Talladega. 684. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.21.2014 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) DSFF and cjs have always reminded me of Dr. Bones McCoy and Spock when they have their arguments... 685. someone posted: 10.21.2014 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i don't get it didn't nascar eliminate ride height rules this year? or are there still ride height rules for restrictor plate races? 686. DB1995 posted: 10.21.2014 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has no front ride height rules, but the back is still measured im pretty sure. 687. cjs3872 posted: 10.21.2014 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I believe they still have minimum height requirements for the back of the cars for the plate races, @684, and the reason is obvious. The lower you can get the back of the car to get as much spoiler out of the air as possible, the faster it's going to go. That's why they have a set shock and spring package for the rear shocks and springs for the plate races, as well as a spoiler much higher than is used for all the other races. Teams were doing crazy things with the shocks and springs in the mid-to-late 90s to try to get some of the speed back that the plates were taking away, and it was really affecting the handling of the cars because they weren't getting as much air to the spoiler. In fact, that was happening this past weekend, because for the first time in years, drivers were actually complaining about the handling of the cars during a race at Talladega. Dale, Jr., for one, was complaining about how loose his car was. But those low ride heights during the plate races eventually led to NASCAR mandating minimum shock and spring rates for all four corners of the cars for the 2000 Daytona 500, and we know what a disaster that race and the Firecracker 400 later that year was, so then NASCAR allowed teams more room on the front springs and shocks, but not the rear, since the height of the back of the car is key to speed at the plate tracks. Another reason NASCAR stepped in, as far as the springs and shocks for the plate races was because quite a number of the drivers were actually wearing mouthpieces, like boxers wear during a boxing match, because of a combination of the rough track surfaces at Daytona and Talladega at that time and the low ride height causing the bottom of the cars to hit the track hard and repeatedly, so driver comfort played into that 2000 rule change, as well. But yes, NASCAR still does have a rear end ride height, as well as probably an overall ride height for the plate tracks because of the possible advantage that can be gained by running the car low. Frankly, I wish they'd reinstitute that for the rest of the races, because that's one reason why the speeds have gone up so much the last two years. The lower to the ground setups the teams have been allowed to use as a result of the abolishment of the minimum ride height rule outside the plate tracks has been one thing that has contributed to making the cars much easier to drive, and thus also made them much, much faster than they need to be going on the mid-size tracks. 688. Eric posted: 10.21.2014 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DaleSrFanForever, You have to be careful when it comes to Ty Cobb because what can you say is fact and what is fiction about Cobb is hard to say. There has been false information spread to the point it was accepted as a fact like Ty Cobb killed a man. The other problem is the Ty Cobb Diary in the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1946 actually wasn't written by Ty Cobb and the Baseball Hall of Fame no longer has the diary in the case as a result since the FBI claimed Ty's Cobb Diary in the Baseball Hall of Fame was a forgery. The other thing is there are other Ty Cobb Diaries that weren't written by Ty Cobb. The 1994 movie called Cobb was even more false information. The information in that movie later on became questionable due to the book it was based off. The book it was based off on is now panned unlike when it was first came out. The Book in question was written by Al Stump. Al Stump in recent years had his reputation took a big hit because he should've been in federal prison when he for committing a federal crime of selling forged items. Baseball Collectors hate Al Stump with a passion matter of fact. Al Stump sold forged items of Ty Cobb Merchandise and created false Ty Cobb Merchandise even. Al Stump sold letters when was alive that he claimed that it was in Ty Cobb's Writing including his signature, but it was Al Stump's writing including the signature of Ty Cobb!. Al Stump even forged Ty Cobb's Diary that was in the Baseball Hall of Fame. There also is a lot of other merchandise that Al Stump sold of Ty Cobb that I didn't mentioned was also forged by Al Stump himself. The other problem with Al Stump no one can back his claims in his book including the medical Professionals that took care of Ty Cobb in his final months living. The other problem is other writers on Ty Cobb even admitted that Al Stump's book was false. 689. Eric posted: 10.21.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My own take on Ty Cobb is he was a flawed person to put it mildly, but not to the extreme Al Stump did. I think Al Stump did harm Ty Cobb's Reputation to a point. Ty Cobb didn't have a good reputation before Al Stump came along. Al Stump was a person that I think we all can call him a scumbag as a human being from a criminal standpoint besides being a person who would work for the national enquirer based his ethics. Since Al Stump sold a lot of forged merchandise that he was responsible for, who says he didn't make up stuff to make quick buck. 690. joey2448 posted: 10.21.2014 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, your posts are so hard to read sometimes. Good info, but a strain on the eyeballs. 691. Cornys posted: 10.21.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW, the tv ratings for this race are staggeringly bad (in comparison to past years). Keep in mind all that you'd think this race had going for it that it did not last year: -"Elimination race" -JR, JJ, and BK all VERY close to being eliminated from the Championship picture. All this aside, the TV ratings still fell into a garbage can compaired to last year. (down to 2.7 rating with 4,328,000 viewers vs last year's 3.1 rating and 4,916,000 viewers) 2012's numbers were 3.0 with 5,113,000 viewers. What a sudden drop of TV viewership. I would have thought the opposite to be true of this race. Maybe enough people truly don't like the new chase to make this big of a dent.. or maybe everybody just decided to ditch NASCAR for the NFL until Homestead. Are there any factors detracting from this race's tv audience that were not present last year (other than the new chase and championship circumstances) http://www.jayski.com/news/pages/story/_/page/NASCAR-Televison-Ratings-2014 692. cjs3872 posted: 10.21.2014 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) From a NASCAR or MLB perspective, I can't think of any, Cornys. However, and I know this would have to do with the latter part of the race more than the full race, but I think that having the Dallas Cowboys back among the elite in the NFL can't help, given that they were the national game on FOX at about 4:15 PM EDT. But I do think that many people don't like the new Chase system, or even the Chase itself, but certainly you'd think the sheer drama of having three such big name drivers possibly getting eliminated, at least two of whom were certain to get eliminated, would help NASCAR's cause here. Also, the particular brand of racing at Talladega didn't figure to help the ratings, because at Talladega, it's usually only the last 20 laps that count for anything. Now I watched most of the second half of the race, and I must admit that it wasn't exactly the most thrilling race run at Talladega, especially with so many of the big names just riding at the back, but the drama with Jimmie Johnson and Brad Keselowski was, by itself, worth watching. 693. Watto posted: 10.21.2014 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've honestly seen only like three people complain about it, so I really don't think it's being made that big of a deal. But I agree, they were racing for the win on the last lap. All bets are off." There aren't too many complaining here. If you look at what fans were saying on NASCAR's facebook statuses and whatnot, there was a LOT of complaining. We definitely have a more intelligent crowd here. So really, I'm generally speaking because it's not a bad trend here. Other people brought it up before I did so I just agreed with it, basically. 694. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.21.2014 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Concidering most of the comments i saw a week before the race actually happened that it would either be a "cluster****" or "boring as hell." But i knew the race would be down TV wise but did everyone look at the seats? This is most likey the first time in a while that i can remember Talladega being at almost full for spring and fall races (Zack was there, he can back me up). Even the Yotube comments for this race is favorable (so far.) Lets not forget, that 3 years ago, TV ratings were going up (generally). "If you look at what fans were saying on NASCAR's facebook statuses and whatnot, there was a LOT of complaining. We definitely have a more intelligent crowd here." On another forum i frequent, people there didn't mention Brads "dirty driving" at all either. Most of the comments are either about Junior or Jimmie being launched or Brad winning. BTW did people get too see the pre-race piece with Marty Smith and Dale Jr.? It is quite telling and on the other i frequent forum conversations are getting well "heated." 695. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.21.2014 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Looks like the Giants are gonna take Game 1 of the Joe Montana Bowl. 696. joey2448 posted: 10.21.2014 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are you saying the Giants are as clutch in the postseason as Joe Montana? 697. cjs3872 posted: 10.22.2014 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) They are with Bruce Bochy as manager, joey2448. This convincing win makes it 31 wins in 42 post-season games as Giants manager, as he's now three games away from World Series championship #3, which would make him just the third NL manager to win that many. The others are all-time Giants great John McGraw, who also lost a record six World Series (1911-'13, '17, '23-'24), in addition to the three he won (1905, '21-'22) and Walter Alston, who's four World Series titles as Dodgers manager (1955, '59, '63, and '65) still stands as the record for NL managers. And let's not forget that he also got the San Diego Padres there in 1998, only to be swept by one of the all-time greatest Yankee teams, managing circles around newly-minted Hall of Famer Bobby Cox in the NLCS in the process. And he did the same thing in 1996 to another Hall of Fame manager, Tom Lasorda, in a 3-game sweep in Los Angeles to steal the NL West crown that year, the first of four NL West titles he won in San Diego. When I saw the Padres dominate a superior Braves team in the '98 NLCS after easily defeating a 100-win Houston team (they beat the Braves in six games, but had a real chance to sweep them in four straight), I knew right then and there just how great a manager Bruce Bochy was, because I think the Braves were a better team, and how the Padres ever let him get away, and to a division rival no less, is something that still haunts the Padres organization to this day, because Bochy's definitely going to the Hall of Fame, and before it's over, he could match or better Alston's record for World Series titles by a NL manager. What we're seeing, and have been seeing this entire post-season, is a Hall of Fame manager at his very best, managing circles around his opposition to beat teams he and his team shouldn't be beating. First, the Nationals, then the Cardinals, and now he has the upper hand on the Royals, and if the Giants win Game 2 (and I wouldn't put it past them, though they're at a pitching disadvantage in Game 2), I think we could be looking at a repeat of 2012, which was a four-game sweep. 698. murb posted: 10.22.2014 - 3:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Danica and Kurt Busch will be swapping crew chiefs/teams after the Martinsville race. I'm not sure how Danica will do with this (putting her with essentially a rookie crew chief in Daniel Knost is kind of head scratching), but Kurt Busch and Tony Gibson seems like it could be a good combo, so I definitely look for the #41 to improve quite a bit. 699. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.22.2014 - 7:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BTW did people get too see the pre-race piece with Marty Smith and Dale Jr.? It is quite telling and on the other i frequent forum conversations are getting well "heated." " Please elaborate, I tend to avoid stories/interviews done by Jimmie's BFF. 700. Hinch77 posted: 10.22.2014 - 7:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Apparently Danica and Kurt Busch will be swapping crew chiefs/teams after the Martinsville race. I'm not sure how Danica will do with this (putting her with essentially a rookie crew chief in Daniel Knost is kind of head scratching), but Kurt Busch and Tony Gibson seems like it could be a good combo, so I definitely look for the #41 to improve quite a bit. " The definition of insanity, according to Mike Greenberg (and maybe some other people too), is doing the same over and over again expecting different results. Stewart-Haas management obviously believes that if they keep changing crew chiefs, they can turn lead into gold... or turn Danica Patrick into a talented race car driver. 701. Cornys posted: 10.22.2014 - 8:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This is most likey the first time in a while that i can remember Talladega being at almost full for spring and fall races" The back stretch grandstands were torn down in December. That removed 18,000 seats. 702. Hinch77 posted: 10.22.2014 - 8:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Here's a great read for all: http://racersreunion.com/october-21-2014-legendtorial-acronyms/ 703. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.22.2014 - 8:31 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Joey, what I'm talking about is that this is a World Series between San Fran and Kansas City, the two teams Joe Cool played for and took to heights they had either never been at before (winning 4 Super Bowl titles with the Niners) or hadn't seen in a long long time (making it to the AFC, formerly AFL title game which they hadn't done since the glory days of Hank Stram, Len Dawson, and matriculation of the ball). When you think of QBs's that played for the Niners, then ended up in KC as San Fran sent them packing in favor of a hot shot young QB, you first think of Alex Smith. Obviously. He was the first overall pick in his draft. But this also happened in the early 90s to an obscure QB named Joe Montana who was only a 3rd round selection. He had been their QB throughout the 80s. Of course there is one major difference between Alex Smith and Joe Montana. Alex recently lost his revenge game against the Niners. Joe won his revenge game against San Fran in '94, his last season, one of only three losses his former team had that year. Other than that, can't think of any major differences between Alex and Joe. Well, that is the recent history of San Fran, KC, and Joe Montana. Soon, I will explain another obscure story, how Austin Dillon, who has become synonymous with the RCR #3 car, is actually driving a car that was once driven by somebody else, a guy with a big mustache from Kannapolis who dropped out of school in the 9th grade. He won championships in that car, but they were all non chase titles, so they don't really count. 704. Ernest T. posted: 10.22.2014 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) NASCAR just announced that starting in 2015 there will be a maximum field of only 32 trucks in the Camping World Truck Series. They said that this was a positive development and will enhance competition. In a similar vein, I guess we should expect another announcement in the near future from NASCAR which states that plummeting TV ratings in the Cup series is also a positive development. I've heard of "whistling past the graveyard" but these people are absolutely delusional. Anyone who hopes that NASCAR will turn it around anytime soon had better forcibly remove the rose-colored glasses from Helton-France and shove them down their throats. 705. Matt posted: 10.22.2014 - 10:12 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just posted this in NASCAR Fan Survey question of sharing thoughts: Reconsider intensity of knowing all 36 races matter a lot of the old format. Don't think an entire season should come down to 1 race with 4 people heads up. Football, Basketball, etc need playoffs because only two teams can play each other at once, hence a bracket - the only way to nominate a best 2 teams (or round robin). However, in NASCAR, you simultaneously race against all opponents and the best measure of a champion would be total points as all of them competed together. I can't speak for everyone, but in my opinion, manufactured drama through a winner-take-all finale to crown a champion devalues so much of the other 35 races and will over time not crown the proper champion as much as a format should allow. 706. Anonymous posted: 10.22.2014 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) How in the heck do they figure that lowering the number of starting spots will get more teams to enter the sport? That defies any type of logic. 707. The Long Shot posted: 10.22.2014 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR saw how small these Truck fields have been over the past year and decided to decrease the amount of spots in a race to decrease the amount of short fields, thus attempting to appease the fans' concerns about the future of the series. Problem is: it doesn't. I would not be surprised if either the Nationwide/Xfinity Series or the Truck Series gets shut down within the next decade or so. 708. racefangurl posted: 10.22.2014 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR's weird, like me. I guess that's why I love it. Even I sometimes get bad at some driver or other. Is Joey really a stronger championship contender than Brad Keselowski? Joey seems to have a better average Chase finish. I'd prefer Joey as champ or Keselowski. I'm biased, but I'd love to see Joey in the Final Four and win it all. 709. Hinch77 posted: 10.22.2014 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Nationwide and Truck series will return to the provisional system next year. 710. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.22.2014 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Please elaborate, I tend to avoid stories/interviews done by Jimmie's BFF." Junior blantly admits that he rode off of his last name and hid dads legacy. He also admits that he didn't give a rats butt for a while about what happened with his on-track performence. Some of his fans are proud of his "honesty." While for some of us it gives us creditability too our thoughts about Junior. DSFF was hard on Junior for a while, i'l like too get his thoughts on this (or should i even dare too ask?) 711. joey2448 posted: 10.22.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There will still be short fields, even with the reduction. 712. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.22.2014 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I went online and watched that Dale Jr interview. It was........ interesting for sure. Kinda surreal hearing him admit all the things I suspected. I guess on one hand I admire him for admitting that he pissed a good portion of his prime away being lazy and unmotivated, skating by on being Dale Earnhardt's son. On the other hand....... 713. Cooper posted: 10.22.2014 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (10) NASCAR Announces New Chase System for 2015 Charlotte, North Carolina Declining ratings and lower attendance at most of the races on the NASCAR calender has led to some changes for the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series in 2015. NASCAR has announced a change that is likely to bring new excitement to a sport desperately in need of a boost. Brian France announced the change at the NASCAR Hall of Fame on Wednesday. "NASCAR is very excited to announce that we will be introducing a new system that we believe will help us in the long run. We will have a 36 race chase where points will be accumulated in all the races. Whoever has the most at the end of the 36 races will be crowned champion. This is revolutionary and will take the sport to places never seen before." Brian France was not available for comment after the press conference and we will have more details tomorrow on nascar.com 714. racefangurl posted: 10.22.2014 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cooper lol. 715. 23andJoe posted: 10.23.2014 - 6:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) >How in the heck do they figure that lowering the number of starting spots will get more teams to enter the sport? That defies any type of logic. What they said was it will "enhance competition" - that actually makes sense, as it cuts back on the number of "free spots" for teams to S&P. I don't object to filling the field/S&P, but neither do I object to trimming the field when there have been chronically short fields - this will reduce the number of races where JJC, NBR, or the Mittlers rolls off the backup truck (the #0, #75/57, #36) to run a few laps, instead having the filed filled up (in most cases) by teams intending to run the full distance. It doesn't solve the root problem, which is that Nationwide/Xfinity and Trucks are competing in the same pool and thus diluting it, but it is a reasonable fix to a real problem. 716. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.23.2014 - 8:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Lol Cooper 717. Cooper posted: 10.23.2014 - 9:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Thought this place was in need of a little comedic relief 718. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.23.2014 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I would not be surprised if either the Nationwide/Xfinity Series or the Truck Series gets shut down within the next decade or so." Actually TLS, Camping World just signed a deal through 2022 too be the title sponser for the Truck series. The Trucks are NOT going anywhere. 719. racefangurl posted: 10.23.2014 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was a good joke, Cooper. I wish I could crack a better NASCAR joke than they banned NASCAR from TV. It was too racy. I'm fond of puns. 720. Brad Keselowski & Bubba Wallace Fan posted: 10.23.2014 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "43 entered at Martinsville: -Kyle Fowler in the #32 -Timmy Hill in the #44 -Mike Wallace in the #66 -#83 TBA -#93 TBA -#12, #21, #29, #49, #95 not entered " Yeley now in the 83, 93 is still TBA 721. racefangurl posted: 10.24.2014 - 9:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Yahoo! says Joey would have the lead under the old Chase, if he'd had the same finishes as he had with this Chase. He'd be 17 points ahead of Harvick. Keselowski and Gordon would round out the top-4. 722. Hinch77 posted: 10.24.2014 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clay Rogers has practiced the #93 so far. 723. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.24.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yahoo! says Joey would have the lead under the old Chase, if he'd had the same finishes as he had with this Chase. He'd be 17 points ahead of Harvick. Keselowski and Gordon would round out the top-4." Does not matter the system, the cream still raises too the top. 724. Sponsor Updates posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One overdue sponsor fix #3- Dow / Make It Last 725. Anthony posted: 06.03.2018 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry Labonte's highest position was 23rd? That's odd, he started 9th in this race so I guess they count only green flag lap positions instead of like where Terry started for his last race. 726. Tin Foil posted: 07.12.2018 - 7:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kahne didn't lose all those positions coming to the checkered flag he would've been the only Hendrick car left in the chase. 727. Anonymous posted: 08.11.2019 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't help but think that Stenhouse missing this race helped fuel some of the push for charters 728. Mile501 posted: 11.12.2019 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After realizing that it is difficult to find the point standings before each playoff reset (this website, along with NASCAR's official reports, only shows points after the reset), I am posting them for each playoff elimination race. Here are the points at the conclusion of this race, before the reset (with drivers who won a race during this round listed first): 2014 Contender Round 1. Joey Logano (1 win) 2. Kevin Harvick -4 (1 win) 3. Brad Keselowski -36 (1 win) 4. Ryan Newman -4 5. Denny Hamlin -21 6. Matt Kenseth -22 7. Carl Edwards -22 8. Jeff Gordon -28 -- Eliminated -- 9. Kasey Kahne -31 10. Kyle Busch -35 11. Jimmie Johnson -68 12. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. -76 729. Foote posted: 04.09.2020 - 1:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski won the race and the normally confident driver gave a rattled, awkward victory lane interview that made it clear he was hurt by everyone hating him after he made a fool of himself postrace at Charlotte. Two weeks later at Texas, he gets into the infamous fight with Jeff Gordon. 730. Sandy posted: 05.23.2020 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Would Joe Nemechek be put in the same scenario as Mike Wallace was in? Mike Wallace finishing 8 laps down in this race was Because his team was changing their car from qualifying oil to race oil but would Joe Nemechek be put in the same situation for his RAB Racing team had he qualified for the race? 731. Sandy posted: 06.29.2020 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Wallace should also be listed at those who went to rear by Driver Choice he was on qualifying setup in the 49 car ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: