|| *Comments on the 2014 AAA Texas 500:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. DH101 posted: 10.31.2014 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It just barely ended man... 2. RaceFanX posted: 10.31.2014 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Kenseth picks up his second pole of the year and his first since Fontana back in March. 3. MAR posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 199mph avg thats insane for a pole run. 4. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gluck did a poll on his Twitter page about whether people preferred the Old Chase, New Chase, or No Chase. Keep in mind this poll was not scientific, but it still had interesting results. A PLURALITY of people preferred no Chase at all (46%), but a MAJORITY of people preferred there to be a Chase (54%). Off the people who preferred that there be a Chase, the New Chase was favored overwhelming (40%) over the Old Chase (14%). If I had to guess, I'd say that people viewed the Old Chase as both illegitimate and not all that exciting (considering two people won 80% of the championships during the Old Chase era). 5. murb posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, not a good start to the weekend for Keselowski. That team needs to get their act together if they want to advance. 6. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great Quing run the 78 bunch, hope they can finish right around that. 7. Hinch77 posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Tony Stewart ran a lap over 200mph in the 2nd session of qualifying. 8. Hinch77 posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) " Jeff Gluck did a poll on his Twitter page about whether people preferred the Old Chase, New Chase, or No Chase. Keep in mind this poll was not scientific, but it still had interesting results. A PLURALITY of people preferred no Chase at all (46%), but a MAJORITY of people preferred there to be a Chase (54%). Off the people who preferred that there be a Chase, the New Chase was favored overwhelming (40%) over the Old Chase (14%). If I had to guess, I'd say that people viewed the Old Chase as both illegitimate and not all that exciting (considering two people won 80% of the championships during the Old Chase era)." I submit this as evidence that over 54% of participants in that poll did not watch NASCAR before 2004, and of that 54% over %40 started watching in the last 12 months. 9. Seagal posted: 10.31.2014 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Way to go Kenseth! Unexpected poles are the best kind. 10. We need more Onion posted: 10.31.2014 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) McDowell posted a very fast time, this kind of speed will be useful for the Leavine's home track. He beat Dillon, which is quite humiliating for a guy who has 12 times more money behind him than Cptn. Jesus. Newman is lurking around the top 5 again. 11. joey2448 posted: 10.31.2014 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Tony Stewart ran a mind-bogglingly fast lap in qualifying of 200.111 mph (26.98 seconds)!!! That is ridiculous! It's the fastest lap ever on a 1.5-mile track. Nate Ryan mentioned on Twitter that the lap wasn't the fastest that Stewart has run at Texas Motor Speedway. Smoke qualified first at 224.448 mph in 1998 (in IndyCar). 12. epzik8 posted: 10.31.2014 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon was .008 seconds from knocking Kenseth off the front row, but had to settle for second. And about that Chase pole, I also prefer the new Chase over the old one because it's more organized than the old one, with four rounds and exactly three drivers eliminated after every three races. But every now and then I wonder what it would be like if the Chase never existed. 13. epzik8 posted: 10.31.2014 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Chase poll XD 14. The Long Shot posted: 10.31.2014 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Since many of us have made championship predictions, I guess I'll throw this question out for discussion: who would we WANT to see win the championship? Granted, it has little to no meaning for many of us anymore (mainly because of the winner-take-all fiasco that will be ensuing 2 weeks from Sunday; oh boy), but that doesn't mean our emotional attachment to the drivers has changed any. --Jeff Gordon: I think I can speak for most of us when I say that I/we would not have any problem whatsoever with him getting title #5. --Ryan Newman: Don't have a problem with the guy, but I just don't think he's quite deserving enough of the title. He's basically been to Cup this year what Austin Dillon was to Nationwide last year; never in contention for the win, but always there to snatch a top 5 or top 10. Not quite championship-worthy in my eyes. --Joey Logano: As someone who has been a fan of Logano since he first entered Cup in 2009, a championship would be a vindinction of sorts for me, and him, for that matter. I've been looking at some old race comments pages from early last year, and the opinions on Logano have completely 180'd since then (he may have been the most hated driver not named "Jimmie Johnson" on here). Whether people "like" him now is still a question, but nobody is questioning how talented he is and how much he's improved since moving to Penske. I personally am rooting for him to take the title and finally live up to the unreasonably high expectations placed upon him so early on in his career. --Matt Kenseth: See Newman, Ryan. Like him a lot, but probably doesn't deserve to win. --Denny Hamlin: So a driver who missed a race is still eligible for the title despite only winning 1 race? Lol, right. Hoping he gets eliminated this round. --Carl Edwards: Doesn't deserve to win it. --Brad Keselowski: Asshat. Moving on... --Kevin Harvick: See Keselowski, Brad. Also, found these interesting posts from murb on the Truck Rockingham page from 2013: "In my time watching the sport, I've seen a lot of guys get hyped up (like Casey Atwood and Joey Logano), but I really don't remember those guys being as hyped up as Larson has been. It's like the "Logano = Messiah" stuff from five years ago times a million." ""Is anyone else kind of pulling for Logano right now?" I want to see him go up and take himself and Larson out, allowing Sauter to steal the win." "Takes his steering wheel off as he's still driving. Kyle "I AM INVINCIBLE, MOTHERf**kERS!!!!!" Larson. What an idiot." Sorry, murb. I'm not trying to call you out or anything, so don't take it the wrong way. Your statements had plenty of merit when they were made. It's just fascinating to me how much opinions can change in such a short amount of time, and your opinions on Larson and Logano are a great example of that. 15. Anonymous posted: 10.31.2014 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Tony Stewart ran a mind-bogglingly fast lap in qualifying of 200.111 mph (26.98 seconds)!!! That is ridiculous! It's the fastest lap ever on a 1.5-mile track. Nate Ryan mentioned on Twitter that the lap wasn't the fastest that Stewart has run at Texas Motor Speedway. Smoke qualified first at 224.448 mph in 1998 (in IndyCar)." CART ran in the high 230s during practice for the cancelled 2001 race. ;-) 16. Feetduck posted: 10.31.2014 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 4 car will get the most poles this season since nobody else can get up to 8 poles 17. murb posted: 10.31.2014 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, found these interesting posts from murb on the Truck Rockingham page from 2013:" lol, I've been waiting for someone to pull those back up and rub them in my face. Yeah, I'm just as surprised as you are about how much my opinions on those two have completely 180'd over the last year. I guess with Logano, it just had to do with him FINALLY proving last year (and especially this year) that he was capable of being a very good Cup driver (and not just the "Dominant on Saturday, Invisible on Sunday" driver he had been up to that point). And for Larson, obviously his incredible performance in Cup this entire year has proven that he absolutely has been worth the hype. But yes, it's pretty crazy how opinions can change in a relatively short amount of time. Believe it or not, I'm almost becoming a fan of Larson now just because he is ridiculously entertaining to watch on the race track. And with Logano, I wouldn't say I'm "fan" now, but I have gained a ton of respect for him this year, and I won't be mad at all if he wins this title, since he's had an incredible year (he's actually still my pick for it - I'd personally prefer Gordon because I think he has been the overall best driver this year, but I won't be mad if it's Joey - he's probably been a close 2nd best to Jeff when you look at the entire year). 18. JRacingFast posted: 10.31.2014 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Im surprised NASCAR and Texas didnt schedule this as a Saturday Night race so they wouldnt have to compete as hard with tickets for the F1 race similar to what they did earlier when they ,moved the Spring race to the Daytime to not compete with the final four.. 19. The Long Shot posted: 11.01.2014 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Believe it or not, I'm almost becoming a fan of Larson now just because he is ridiculously entertaining to watch on the race track." Could have fooled me with that "almost" considering how many times you've dubbed him "the real deal" over this past season, haha. But I agree. I had no particular feelings regarding Larson last year, but my, has he blown me away this year. And this is coming from someone who said this just this past January about Larson: "Rookie of the Year - Kyle Larson: As I said in post #1942, I think Larson will produce regardless of equipment. I think he will win a race this year and be competitive in several others, while Austin Dillon will have a season similar to Ricky Stenhouse's 2013; several good runs, but never a serious contender for a victory." Hell, in December I predicted he was going to make the Chase this year, but he's blown that prediction out of the water despite him not making it. "And with Logano, I wouldn't say I'm "fan" now, but I have gained a ton of respect for him this year, and I won't be mad at all if he wins this title, since he's had an incredible year (he's actually still my pick for it - I'd personally prefer Gordon because I think he has been the overall best driver this year, but I won't be mad if it's Joey - he's probably been a close 2nd best to Jeff when you look at the entire year)." I could easily go either way with those two. As I said earlier, they are the only two that truly deserve to win (Brad and Harvick are very hot-and-cold types and have shot themselves in the foot numerous times this year). One thing I have to wonder is what would happen if Danica turned into a good Cup driver. If people had to eat that much crow over Logano, I shudder to think how much people would be eating over Danica (numbah10hatah especially; speaking of whom, I believe he will be returning to our ranks relatively soon). Not saying it'll happen, but it's an interesting ponderance. Speaking of females in NASCAR: NEMCO Motorsports has announced that they will continue to run full-time in Trucks next year (presumably with Joe and John Hunter splitting the ride again, since John doesn't turn 18 until June of 2015), while also starting a second Late Model team for Dominique Van Wieringen, a 19 year-old female driver from Ontario. Also, Mackena Bell will make her Nationwide debut at Phoenix next week, driving the #23 for Rick Ware Racing. 20. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.01.2014 - 7:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd have to echo murbsl's sentiment on who I want to win the championship. Gordon with Logano a close second. 21. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2014 - 8:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. These are really fast speeds! 22. The Long Shot posted: 11.01.2014 - 8:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jim Sauter, the patriarch of the Sauter family in NASCAR, passed away yesterday at the age of 71. R.I.P., and my condolences to Johnny and all of the other Sauters. I really hope Johnny didn't have to race last night with that hanging over his head (though his rages over the past couple of weeks would be excusable if he knew that his father was in failing health). 23. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like what The Long Shot said about Joey. I think he's a good driver and if he wins the championship, he'd prove himself. However, as long as I'm not mad at any Chase driver that makes the Final Four, I won't be mad if, say Gordon or Harvick won the title. Gordon leads the points and Harvick could win at Phoenix, so I used them as other possible Final Four drivers. 24. The Long Shot posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sauter apparently was informed after the Truck race. I can't imagine being the guy that had to break the news to him. 25. Hinch77 posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sucks for the Sauter brothers. My condolences to them. RIP Jim Sauter Sr. 26. Daniel posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Go Gordon! 27. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:53 am Rate this comment: (5) (4) I am more and more hoping for a winless champ just to expose this stupid system. Why has nobody major called for Brian France's resignation yet? Since he took over, the nosedive this sport has done is astounding. And it keeps getting worse. In the NFL, key public folks have been calling for Goodel's resignation from the word go (and got rightfully so). Where are they with Brian? 28. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Texas is a fast track, but now they almost need restrictor plates for Texas lol. I mean, 200 mph on a 1.5 mile? Well, it won't be like that next year. 29. Ernest T. posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #27: Megadittos. Except for the winless champ part because I'd like to see Gordon take it; this idiotic playoff system has already screwed him out of a well-deserved championship or two and this year will probably add to the list of screw jobs. But if Gordo doesn't make it to the "Super Bowl" at Homestead, and No-Win-Newman comes out #1, that's OK by me. 30. The Long Shot posted: 11.01.2014 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I am more and more hoping for a winless champ just to expose this stupid system. Why has nobody major called for Brian France's resignation yet? Since he took over, the nosedive this sport has done is astounding. And it keeps getting worse. In the NFL, key public folks have been calling for Goodel's resignation from the word go (and got rightfully so). Where are they with Brian?" I'm afraid we may have to wait until Jimmie Johnson or someone with similar magnitude beats his wife/her husband (looking at you, Danica) for the media to start putting the pressure on France. 31. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2014 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) R.I.P. Jim Sauter. 32. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.01.2014 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Why has nobody major called for Brian France's resignation yet?" Easy. NASCAR is a closely held, private family business which is 100%* owned and run by Brian France. There are no public shareholders to keep happy and the board of directors (of which he is chair) and executive staff are all appointed by him and serve at his leisure. In other words, people like Mike Helton are mere employees, having no actual share in the company. You can't force someone to resign from something when you have a 0% interest in the business. They could call all they want, but there's no one with the authority to actually make it happen. Think about it on a smaller scale. If you owned/ran in its entirety via legal inheritance, a restaurant/bar/anything really that had been in your family for nearly 7 decades, how could anyone else come in and force you to resign? They can't. Now there are, of course, always stories of people being forced to resign from family business they have been apart of for decades, but that is after the company goes public and thus control has been relinquished from the founding owner(s) to literally hundreds (and sometimes tens of millions, depending on size) of new owners, all of which have some degree of clout over how the business is run. This has not happened in NASCAR, though there has been talk of franchising which would, in a sense, achieve this affect. Entirely different situation with Roger Goddell. The NFL is non-profit conglomerate of all 32 for profit teams. The teams, essentially, ARE the shareholders and thus wield a great deal of strength over how the league is run and who its leaders are. *As far as I can tell, Brian France owns 100% of NASCAR, but even if he doesn't 1) You can bet he owns a super-majority of the shares and 2) The other shares belong almost exclusively to France family members. 33. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2014 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I have no worries about Texas now. My favorite drivers both qualified for the Cup race and weren't awful in practice. Trevor beat his teammates, other than Edwards, who barely beat him. I mean, he's still a Roush driver, even if he's with the Wood Brothers for Cup. The best part was Trevor led some of the practice. I hope he can race like he practiced. That'd be sweet. A birthday gift from NASCAR, since the Cup race is on my birthday. 34. David posted: 11.01.2014 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have more gems about Larson, from back in the days when we nicknamed Danica "B.o.B." and me the "Nazi fact-checker", and Paul and I were constantly throwing David Smith's statistics in everyone's face: "82. NicoRosbergFan posted: 02.23.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) OK, so I'm not the only one who thinks Kyle Larson is a self-entitled jackass?" "87. Paul posted: 02.23.2013 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) I share the same sentiments of Kyle Larson. I think he's starting to believe his own hype, and it shows on the race track with the way he's been racing other drivers." "90. murb posted: 02.23.2013 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) "OK, so I'm not the only one who thinks Kyle Larson is a self-entitled jackass?" Nope. He's without a doubt gonna be a future Cup superstar (barring a Logano style collapse). But his over-aggressive style and non-humble personality that he's been showing down at Daytona this week (highlighted by the cheap move he made to win the Late Model race) have turned me off." "98. murb posted: 02.23.2013 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) "I think he's starting to believe his own hype" Yep. If you think Denny Hamlin let fame get to his head, just wait until Larson gets to Cup. He's gonna take it to a whole new level." "137. DaleSrFanForever posted: 03.02.2013 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (1) Dislike this comment (3) I must say I am kinda worried about Larson. Here comes this 18 year old who is being touted as the next big thing, praised effusively by top drivers, has won everything in sight leading up to his NASCAR career, gets hyped during the telecasts. Remind us of anyone? Maybe currently driving a bright yellow and red Penske Ford in Cup right now, trying to get his Cup career on track for once." "144. murb posted: 03.02.2013 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (1) I actually think that Larson will be more successful than Logano. Larson had to come up the hard way (unlike Silver Spoons), so he seems like he's got more of a chip on his shoulder. Plus, he really does seem like he has a TON of talent, judging by his run against Jimmie today and his runs in Trucks last year. However, I can already tell that I'm not going to like this guy. It's sort of funny that he was racing Jimmie today, because that's who he reminds me of personality wise. HE'S A ROBOT!!! And once he gets to Cup (and you know he will, regardless of if he's really any good or not - he's got to much hype not to get to Cup), he's gonna most likely channel Jimmie even more by gaining more and more arrogance as the success piles on." "61. Paul posted: 03.16.2013 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) All this love for Kyle Larson is sickening. The guy has one top 15 finish and two bad crashes. Let's wait until he can win a points race before we crown him the "Next Big Thing."" "148. Baker posted: 03.16.2013 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) Those of you complaining about the impatient driving style of Kyle Larson need to realize it is a product of where he came from. Just like Tony Stewart, Ricky Stenhouse and many other before him that came from sprint cars they tend to race impatient in these bigger series. When you only have 30-50 laps to get to the front there is very little room for patience. You have to get what you can and move on as quickly as you can or the lead dog is going to be too far gone by the time you get to 2nd. He is a rookie and things will start to slow down for him before too long." "33. Paul posted: 04.12.2013 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) Is it official that Kyle Larson is an idiot?" "124. Paul posted: 04.12.2013 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) "The Real Deal" Alex Bowman is now 8th in the points, just 3 points out of 6th place. "The Next Big Thing" Kyle Larson wrecked himself out of the top ten in points, and is just 8 points ahead of Mike Bliss, who has been driving unsponsored most of the season. It's time for BSPN to give us some in-depth featured footage and interviews on Bowman, who has driven like a true veteran from day one and doesn't have a big head from all the hype." "120. murb posted: 05.04.2013 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) Kyle Larson is officially a dart without feathers." "316. Baker posted: 05.04.2013 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (2) Dislike this comment (8) Again more Kyle Larson ball busting by a bunch of mindless rednecks. You people do realize Ricky Stenhouse crashed more frequently than every other week when he first got into the car. Not everyone drives like a pussy the way the Dillon brothers drive. Kyle Larson is a sprint car driver who is going to push the car to limit on every lap. Once he learns where that line is and how to stay on the right side of the line he is going to blow the doors off those pussy Dillon brothers and most other young "talent" in NASCAR." "324. Rusty posted: 05.04.2013 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (1) Dislike this comment (0) Kyle Larson clearly has a ton of talent, he nearly beat Kyle Busch for a win at BRISTOL. But he is young and reckless and needs to be reigned in or he won't be successful in NASCAR." "361. Mike Daly posted: 05.06.2013 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (1) Dislike this comment (0) The praise of Kyle Larson is woefully premature - he reminds me of Joey Logano, whose Irwindale crash has defined his whole career - Larson's foolishness during Speedweeks before the 300 melee looks disturbingly similar to Logano." "91. Baker posted: 05.10.2013 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (1) Dislike this comment (0) Paul, You numbers don't mean jack. Kyle Larson has more talent in one arm than Bowman and he knows it. He pushes his cars twice as hard as Bowman. With this stupid point system it is not all that hard to stay ahead of someone in points who has a few wrecks. A bad race hurts much more than a good race helps under the current point system and that fits the conservative guys like Bowman much better. Like I said in previous post you are all forgetting how many cars Ricky Stenhouse wrecked before he became a 2 time champion. When Larson figures out how to ride that line without crossing it he is going to be hard to beat." "101. Paul posted: 05.10.2013 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) From what I've seen, Larson is a total crap shoot on a week-to-week basis. One week he's contending for top five finishes and racing alongside Cup drivers, the next he's wrecking himself and sometimes endangering others on the track. His nickname should be "Box o' Chocolates" because you never know what you're gonna get from him." "124. Baker posted: 05.11.2013 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) David, What he is suppose to have learned that line in what a dozen races? Please fool. I'll remember all you when Kyle Larson is a nationwide champion just like Ricky." "126. David posted: 05.11.2013 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (1) Dislike this comment (0) "What he is suppose to have learned that line in what a dozen races?" No, it something he could have learned last year while running the K&N East series. "I'll remember all you when Kyle Larson is a nationwide champion just like Ricky." Great. We'll see you then. By then, Bowman could be in the Cup series and running competitively." "130. Talon64 posted: 05.14.2013 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) "It's too bad the drivers' praise for Kyle Larson is falling on deaf ears around here." ------------------------ And there's more where those came from, but that would mean venturing into the pit of "satirical" comments. Just keep in mind that I only had to go through the first NINE Nationwide races of 2013 to find these comments. Baker was wrong about one thing: Larson never became a Nationwide champion. 35. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2014 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I guess Texas likes Fords. 36. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2014 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Im surprised NASCAR and Texas didnt schedule this as a Saturday Night race so they wouldnt have to compete as hard with tickets for the F1 race similar to what they did earlier when they ,moved the Spring race to the Daytime to not compete with the final four.." In Texas, they're probably more concerned of competing with college football than they are with F1. 37. murb posted: 11.01.2014 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That sucks about Jim Sauter. Even though I've trashed Johnny for his antics the past couple of weeks, I've always liked all of the Sauters. Just a great racing family. RIP to Jim. "Yep. If you think Denny Hamlin let fame get to his head, just wait until Larson gets to Cup. He's gonna take it to a whole new level." Wow, I seriously said THIS (although, I guess if you were to replace Larson with Keselowski, it would have been pretty prophetic)? I have no idea what I saw in Larson then that made me think he would be an entitled jerk. Obviously this year he has proven to be a pretty humble and respectful dude (the Bristol NNS race where he got wrecked by Ryan Blaney was a perfect example - he just chalked it up as good, hard short track racing and nothing else, clearly much different than how many other current drivers would have reacted to that). 38. Hinch77 posted: 11.01.2014 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "82. NicoRosbergFan posted: 02.23.2013 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: Like this comment (0) Dislike this comment (0) OK, so I'm not the only one who thinks Kyle Larson is a self-entitled jackass?" Wow! Not much as changed since February 23, 2013 in that regard! I am much more impressed by his abilities now than I was then, nevertheless. 39. epzik8 posted: 11.01.2014 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's too bad Jim Sauter died after Johnny had a bad race. Also, I never knew Kyle Larson was that disliked just a year ago. 40. cjs3872 posted: 11.01.2014 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Even though he was never a successful driver in NASCAR, Jim Sauter was a good driver, so good that IROC made him one of their test drivers for many years, along with Dick Trickle and Dave Marcis, who mentored Sauter in his early years. In fact, it was Marcis that sent out inquiries to teams to give Sauter a shot in the Cup series in the early 80s, and in 1982, Jim Stacy gave him a shot in a top-echelon car for the only time, and Sauter did well in that one shot, contending in the Daytona 500 that year with the likes of Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, Cale Yarborough, teammate Joe Ruttman, and Terry Labonte, even leading the race just past the 300-mile mark. Brake problems prevented what could very easily have been a top five run in that Daytona 500, and he never got a shot in a good car after that race. But the mere fact that he was a test driver for the International Race of Champions shows how highly his talent was regarded by those inside the sport. And I don't think Trevor's going to beat all the Roush cars unless they all have problems, racefangurl. It's not because he can't. After all, Texas is the site of his first NNS win three years ago this weekend when he stole the lead from a dominant Carl Edwards on a restart and then held off Denny Hamlin to get an extremely popular win, one I think both the Cup and Nationwide garage areas were happy to see happen. It's just that his team, the Wood Brothers, is not capable of staying up there with the bigger teams, especially on long green flag runs when you have green flag pit stops, because their team is not the caliber of the bigger teams when it comes to pit crews and things of that matter. But Trevor's performance in practice and qualifying just proves what I said a few weeks ago when he failed to qualify at Charlotte when I said that would have never happened had he been in the #21 car, instead of the #6 that weekend. I also wonder how Trevor being at Roush is going to affect their performance because he does have a reputation of being one that can give information to the crew chief. Donnie Wingo said a few years ago that Trevor's as good at that as anyone he's worked with, and he's worked with some pretty good drivers, including Geoff Bodine, Dick Trickle, Bill Elliott, Morgan Shepherd, and Jamie McMurray. He might not be of that much help from the aero and engine side of it, but if what Wingo said is true, he can certainly be of assistance when it comes to dialing in a car during the course of a race, because that's one thing that's definitely lacking in Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., and one big reason why he's regressed so much this year. Stenhouse's cars always seem to get worse as the race goes on, and Bayne's cars seem to get better as the race goes on, and I think that's because Stenhouse doesn't seem to be able to give his crew chief information to help get the car better during a race, and that seems to be one of Trevor's better abilities as a driver. And I think that ability is something that has been lacking at Roush since Matt Kenseth's departure, and one of the reasons why they struggle so badly during the course of the races. 41. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2014 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RIP Jim Sauter. 42. Hinch77 posted: 11.01.2014 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) cjs, your posts would be so much better if you... actually said what you were thinking instead of writing 20 paragraphs. 43. Kubica Fan Ireland posted: 11.01.2014 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson looks real good for tomorrow. Another way to screw up Nascar's system is for no one to advance by winning in this final round. 44. MAR posted: 11.01.2014 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is Kyle Larson getting so much hate the only bad thing i saw him do was the modified race at Daytona where he wreck Steve park i think it was on the last lap to win. I think he's a pretty good kid. And btw Kyle Busch haters watch him pull out the brooms and sweep the triple!!!!! 45. Hinch77 posted: 11.01.2014 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And btw Kyle Busch haters watch him pull out the brooms and sweep the triple!!!!!" At least you are not afraid to admit that you are a little delusional, but then again who isn't? 46. cjs3872 posted: 11.01.2014 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I separate them into paragraphs because I don't want to clog everything into one piece, Hinch77. When I first started posting on here in 2011, I did exactly that, and someone else rightly called me out on that, so I've tried to split it into paragraphs so it would be easier for others to read. And I'd say that has been a success. However, one thing I saw in the Nationwide Series race bothers me, and takes me back to the 80s. That is the sudden rash of problems that were transpiring with wheels in today's NNS race. As we know, the qualifying speeds at Texas hit 200 MPH for the Cup race, though the pole speed was slightly under that. And with the strain of those speeds, combined with the G-forces that are being created, suspension parts, especially in the area of the tire and wheel, are beginning to have problems holding up under the strain, which is a potential danger factor. Now I know that the Nationwide Series cars were going substantially slower, but we saw more than one wheel failure today, one of which caused Ryan Sieg to spin out, and it would have been a heavy crash if not for the presence of Corey LaJoie's car, which cushioned much of the blow Sieg was about to take. Back in the 80s, when speeds at Daytona rose above 200 MPH, there was a rash of broken wheels. Ken Ragan, Tim Richmond, Dick Brooks, and Neil Bonnett all suffered that problem in the Daytona 500 from 1984-'86, with all but Ragan crashing as a result, and Bonnett's broken wheel triggered a huge crash. With the extreme speeds we're seeing, combined with the G-forces, we may see this problem come up in both tomorrow's race and the finale at Homestead. I hope it doesn't happen, but a number of cars have already suffered that kind of failure that the drivers caught before it caused a problem on the track. Tire failures like the one Trevor Bayne had while leading is one thing, but problems with the wheel and suspension area is something all together different, and is something NASCAR may need to take a look at. 47. Baker posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hey now you can't tell me he wouldn't be a champion if he ran the series full time. 48. David posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey now you can't tell me he wouldn't be a champion if he ran the series full time." No, I wouldn't tell you that. But why would he, especially now? 49. Baker posted: 11.01.2014 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't mean for him to be there. I just meant that at the time I said that I figured he would be in nationwide 2 or 3 years. If he had I bet he would have walked away with a title. 50. MAR posted: 11.01.2014 - 10:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Im far from delusional Kyle has Swept all 3 races before i mean he racing sunday just to win no point just win he has a good chance to pull off his second sweep. 51. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.01.2014 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) CJS you over analyze everything nothing is going to happen tomorrow it will just be your typical dull as dishwater coma inducing speedway race 52. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.01.2014 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know if anyone caught it, but Auburn beat Ole Miss in one of the most bizarre and unfortunate ways possible. 53. David posted: 11.01.2014 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What happened? 54. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.01.2014 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bo Wallace completed a pass to Laqon Treadwell (easily the best receiver for Ole Miss) that appeared to go across the goal line for the touchdown as he was being tackled and was called on the field as such, putting Ole Miss ahead 37-35. Unfortunately, it looks like Treadwell broke his ankle, foot, or leg as he was being tackled. On top that, the refs reviewed the play and determined that he fumbled the ball prior to crossing the goal line and that the ball was recovered by Auburn in the end zone for a touchback. Auburn then held on the last 90 second to bring home the win. So they lost their best offensive player, had the game winning touchdown taken away from them, and almost certainly lost any chance of having a spot in the College Football Playoff all in one fell swoop. 55. Walter White posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yo racefangurl happy birthday *blows kiss*. Ah Texas. Speedy, rough, and tumble. I am looking forward to this race. I don't know what's gonna happen but all I know is that Brian Vickers and Kasey Kahne starting next to each other is pretty awesome. Now let's talk about Brian Vickers and Kasey Kahne. Both came in the Cup Series back in 2004. They both have been the 4th man at Hendrick, Vickers back in the Mid 200's and Kahne in the present day. They were the only drivers to win for TRB, and in fact were teammates there in 2011. Both made the Chase in sad equipment in the year 2009 (Kahne for RPM, Vickers for TRB). They also both had quasi-full time Busch seasons in 2002 in questionable equipment and then broke out at the same time in better equipment the next season. These 2 men have had quite the parallel. I really find it ironic how their careers have crossed to them now wrecking each other last week. You wanna talk about 2011, Vickers repeated his performance from that year at Martinsville this season. The guy he wrecked in that race (Kenseth) was wrecked by Harvick. Just very funny things that make me laugh at this time of night. For the record, Kahne and Vickers have both ran their mouths far too often for my liking and 10 years ago I expected big things from both. And they both have not lived up to the hype in my opinion. Hilarious. And once again, Happy birthday racefangurl, how old are ya now chica? 56. An Aussie Commentator posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy birthday racefangurl 57. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:45 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) YEAH, GET SOME!!! As far as Kyle Busch sweeping the weekend, no. But at least he got to continue to win minor league races that the media for some reason only god knows why count as "Cup" races. He continues his march towards King Richard's all-time mark. 58. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:41 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) "I separate them into paragraphs because I don't want to clog everything into one piece, Hinch77. When I first started posting on here in 2011, I did exactly that, and someone else rightly called me out on that, so I've tried to split it into paragraphs so it would be easier for others to read. And I'd say that has been a success." Yes, but why 20 paragraphs to express what can be said in just 3 or 4 sentences? 59. cjs3872 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 20 paragraphs, Hinch77? If I tried that, my computer would not even be able to respond to be able to submit it. (It has a hard enough time even being responsive to this comments page during the week after the race has been run, and it's often unresponsive, and even causes the site to crash on my computer.) What I try to do is to limit the size of my paragraphs to around the size of the typing box, though they will sometimes go beyond that because I like to explain what it is I'm trying to say or write. But my posts do often go between three and six paragraphs, because of the number of different points I often try to make in the same post. 60. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) This guy doesn't understand hyperbole... cjs, we all love your posts, but please try to read between the lines next time (oops, I used a metaphor there!). 61. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Still looks like anyone's race. 62. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not trying to be a cockroach or anything, but is there any chance of the Autozone Elite Division Southeast or Midwest Series results going up by the end of the year? 63. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Jeff Gluck '@jeff_gluck 2h2 hours ago . @PhoenixRaceway says grandstands sold out, but general admission seating on Rattlesnake Hill still available." PIR just sold every seat they have (minus the snake invested hill.) But NASCAR is still dead/dieing anyway. Nothing too see here, move along. 64. Sector posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs often points out the same stuff repetitively and drags out his post more than it needs to be. But that's just how I view him/her. Interesting to read though. BTW, did you guys know that both the front row starters were winless in both 2008 & 2010? 65. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well ladies and gentlemen, I'll be mostly paying attention to the F1 race. Once its over, I'll switch over to this race (Since Nascar races are about twice as long as F1 races are). Hope both races are enjoyable! 66. Rockstar posted: 11.02.2014 - 12:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Congrats to Kyle Busch for winning the Truck race and Nationwide race. Look out for his 11th-40th place showing today 67. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Kyle Busch Haters man Smh just appreciate greatness. 68. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) " 67. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch Haters man Smh just appreciate greatness. " SMH you're so damned delusional... you're almost as delusional as racefangurl. 69. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Congrats to Kyle Busch for winning the Truck race and Nationwide race. Look out for his 11th-40th place showing today" I'm disappointed you've ruled out 41st, 42nd, or 43rd, haha 70. Seagal posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I find Nicole Briscoe very difficult to listen to. Her way of speaking is irritating. 71. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Has 29 Cup wins at age 29 im not delusional he is a pretty damn good driver if u ask me i just wish he would focus more on his Cup racing. 72. jabber1990 posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's drink every time ESPN or PRN (pick your media) says "sweep" or "triple" 73. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No doubt Kyle Busch is very good. But he is very immature as well. And if you think he's great based on how many Nationwide and Truck wins he's got, well you're making a poor assessment. 74. Raheem posted: 11.02.2014 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Get your broom ready, Joey! 75. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Getting REALLY sick of hearing ESPN referring to the teams still in the Chase and their fanbases as "nations"... 76. Rockstar posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll start appreciating Kyle Busch's greatness when he wins a Sprint Cup title. End of story. @MAR, please work on your grammar. 77. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "No doubt Kyle Busch is very good. But he is very immature as well. And if you think he's great based on how many Nationwide and Truck wins he's got, well you're making a poor assessment." 100% agreed. He's a good Cup driver that gets inflated by all of these idiots that want to factor in his lower series wins. He has 29 Cup wins. That's a really good career so far. But he's not a legend by any means. And as long as he keeps wearing himself out by running 25-30 NNS and Truck races each year and continues to be an immature numbskull, he'll never be a Cup champion. 78. Kenny posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @racefangurl hey when you do a search for me on fb just write in the windeos is this the Kenny from RR untill you find me ok......happy birthday btw :) Also you guys I'm gonna haft to go to my granddads to watch the race so racefangurl if you do find me on Facebook I wount get back with you till late tonight ok later guys :) 79. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle Has 29 Cup wins at age 29 im not delusional he is a pretty damn good driver if u ask me i just wish he would focus more on his Cup racing. " I've competed against deeper fields than Shrub has in any of his NNS or CWTS wins at the NASCAR Speedpark! 80. Rockstar posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @Chad's Hair Plugs Haha,I wouldn't rule out 41st-43rd...most times he runs in to trouble by either half way or at the end of the race anyways. 81. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) About 12 minutes from racing in Fort Worth (Austin is already under way) 82. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I could care less how many truck and nationwide races kyle won the fact is there's only about 5 active sprint cup drivers with more wins than Kyle's 29 and the fact that he is only 29 years old he could win 50 cup races before he retires which would make him a great driver. I rest my case 83. Dense Drip posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why has Texas had such low attendances in their last couple of races? 84. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Like I said yesterday, if not for the fact that he puts so much focus and emphasis on running all these Nationwide and Truck races, and the fact that he lets just about every little thing get under his skin, I honestly think Kyle's Cup career would look something like Jimmie Johnson's does right now. At the very least, I think he would have up to double to amount of wins he has right now and multiple Cup championships. I really do think he has THAT kind of potential in him. But as long as he keeps doing what he's been doing his whole career, I don't think he will EVER quite live up to his full potential. 85. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Getting REALLY sick of hearing ESPN referring to the teams still in the Chase and their fanbases as "nations"... Technically Malta, Luxembourg and the like are nations too. 86. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just don't want this race to be all about Kyle Busch. 87. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I could care less how many truck and nationwide races kyle won the fact is there's only about 5 active sprint cup drivers with more wins than Kyle's 29 and the fact that he is only 29 years old he could win 50 cup races before he retires which would make him a great driver. I rest my case " Yeah, he'd have that 50 already if he wasn't a headcase. Call the Whaaaambulance somebody is completely-out-of-his-mind insane to justify an argument lost 6 years ago. 88. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm 25 today. And I was hoping Trevor would have a good race since he was good in practice, when I said that. When he won the 500 a few years ago, the Wood Brothers talked about his awareness in the car. Four years ago, he made his Cup debut in this race, btw. I think today will give us a better idea of who has a shot at the Final Four, to a degree. I mean, we'll know who has to win at Phoenix to control his own destiny and their Phoenix stats will give us an idea of who has the best chance to that. We can't be sure of anything, as accidents and bad luck happen. For example, Harvick could have bad luck hit him at Phoenix next week. If that happened and someone else was the winner of today's race, he could be eliminated. I don't care too much about the Final Four, other than my driver making it. I mean, all the rest in just fun speculation for me. 89. Ernest T. posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR opening ceremonies reach a new low. 90. White Coats posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A reiteration of yesterday's breaking news bulletin: Excuse us, we're from the USRRG (United States Rubber Room Group), and we're looking for a person who posts on the internet as racefangurl. Typical behavior of this person includes non-stop mentions of Trevor Bayne and Joey Logano, including when completely inappropriate and offensive to the victims of a tragedy. This person is also characteristic by a vicious hatred of Chase Elliott (or other rookies) doing well, including persistent day-dreaming of bad things happening to said people. No logic will be present in any statements made by this person and the statements may be dangerous to the IQ of the person, as well as possibly cause cancer, ebola, or encephalitis. Please keep your distance and report to your local United States Rubber Room Group branch if this person is sighted. 91. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) racefangurl, thanks for the reminder that you like Trevor Bayne and you hope that Joey Logano makes the Final Four. I had almost completely forgotten that those two were your favorite drivers. 92. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Carl Edwards actually makes the Final Four considering his lame-duck status and the fact that he's not really been competitive the majority of this year, I don't know whether I'll laugh or cry. Probably a mixture of both. 93. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR opening ceremonies reach a new low." Hey, it could have been worse, they COULD have brought back Madison Rising...*shudder* 94. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) green! 95. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trivia: I didn't think Madison Rising's anthem was that bad. 96. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch is dropping. 97. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm not one to defend Kyle Busch, but he didn't really do anything wrong this year. Except be in front of Austin Dillon, who apparently forgot that he has brakes in his car. 98. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch's car keeps going WAY wide in the corners. He's already dropped back six spots and is about to give up another. 99. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For whatever reason, PRN's live stream absolutely refuses to work on this laptop, so it appears that I'm relying 100% on the comment section today. 100. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson through to third. I'd laugh if all three of the Chase races in this round were won by people not in the Chase. It might actually happen, too! 101. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick is up to fourth and about to pass Johnson for third. 102. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good thing Kahne and Vickers have some distance between them now lol. 103. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson has caught Gordon for second. 104. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jimmie looks really good. Since he's guaranteed to not win the title this year I'll have absolutely no problems with him winning. 105. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Vintage Romo. Oh wait. Maybe the organization is just cursed. 106. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Kenseth is now the all time lap leader at Texas? I had no idea he'd led that much here over the years. 107. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Danica is the first car a lap down. I can't help but wonder if we'll see a Jacques caution in the next couple of laps... 108. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Danica, she's coming to pit road now. 109. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's still early, but great race for Kurt Busch so far. Looks like Tony Gibson will be a major improvement for Kurt and that car. 110. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Texas must've changed its mind on Fords. Only one in the top-15. 111. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boring so far. 112. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica... 113. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Josh Wise smacks the wall coming off turn 2 and the caution comes out for the first time. 114. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It decided it likes Toyotas and Chevies better today. 115. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon has a horrendous pit stop. 116. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) So, can Alan Gustafson swap pit crews with the 48 team, since they're not in title contention? Or is that sort of thing frowned upon by Mr. Hendrick? #Texas2010 117. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Most of the top-10 are ones that made the Chase, though some are eliminated Chasers. 118. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) So, can Alan Gustafson swap pit crews with the 48 team, since they're not in title contention? Or is that sort of thing frowned upon by Mr. Hendrick? #Texas2010 I tried to thumbs up this 100 times and it wouldn't let me. 119. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon loses a bunch of spots in the pits. Seeing how so far throughout the Chase, he's followed up all of his finishes of 2nd or better with a finish outside the top 10, it makes me wonder if he'll finish outside the top 10 again today... 120. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson catches Kenseth and powers past him for the lead. 121. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see Jimmie has the fastest Hendrick car this weekend....You'd think the only Hendrick car still with a shot to win the title would have the best car. 122. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who would of thought that the F1 race would have an on track lead change before the Cup race? 123. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So, can Alan Gustafson swap pit crews with the 48 team, since they're not in title contention? Or is that sort of thing frowned upon by Mr. Hendrick? #Texas2010" That's frowned upon since it doesn't help Jimmie in any way. Now if "Cars" were eligible in The Chase and not "Drivers", Mr. Hendrick would have put Jimmie in the 24 car after Talladega. 124. Kenny posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Hey racefangurl are you gonna try to reach me this evening? Where's Jr? 125. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These are last year's top contenders out in front. 126. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That crew swap at Stewart Hass is killing danica 127. RaceFanX posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson is running a red car this week in honor of the colored aprons all Lowe's employees wear on the job. Might not be a bad idea, Mike Skinner won at Suzuka in 1997 driving a Lowe's car with that red apron painted on the hood. 128. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I see Jimmie has the fastest Hendrick car this weekend....You'd think the only Hendrick car still with a shot to win the title would have the best car." Watch Jimmie win Texas, Kasey win Phoenix, to go with Junior's win at Martinsville while Gordon misses the cut for Homestead. 3 non-eligible HMS cars win while the only eligible HMS car sinks in the Exterminator Round or whatever it's called. 129. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It wouldn't surprise me if Hendrick through everything behind the #48 to spite the #24 team for not falling over for Jimmie all year long. 130. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *threw 131. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Watch Jimmie win Texas, Kasey win Phoenix, to go with Junior's win at Martinsville while Gordon misses the cut for Homestead. 3 non-eligible HMS cars win while the only eligible HMS car sinks in the Exterminator Round or whatever it's called." Sadly, I wouldn't at ALL be shocked if that's exactly what happens... 132. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chevy fans approve of the top-10, I bet and just for Kenny, Jr.'s 10th now. Maybe I don't like to talk about tragedies here. If I wanna talk about tragedies, I comment on articles about them. I come here to talk about racing. However, if you want to talk about tragedies here, go ahead. 133. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't want to know what will happen if Hendrick switches their crews again. 134. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne to second. 135. Kenny posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Thx racefangurl and what are tragedies? 136. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick is one of the biggest movers in this race? 137. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It wouldn't surprise me if Hendrick through everything behind the #48 to spite the #24 team for not falling over for Jimmie all year long." Wouldn't surprise me one bit since Hendrick has thrown everything behind the 48 team since 2002 to spite Gordon for forcing him in to letting him co-own a car. Hendrick: "You want to be a damn co-owner so bad, I'll make you the best co-owner in the sport" *evil laugh*. 138. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Maybe I don't like to talk about tragedies here. If I wanna talk about tragedies, I comment on articles about them. I come here to talk about racing. However, if you want to talk about tragedies here, go ahead. " racefangurl, I am certain you were that person talking about Barbie dolls whilst everyone else in the room looked in horror on 9/11. 139. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick and Kenseth are battling for third...oh boy. Gordon is back in the top 5. 140. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe I don't like to talk about tragedies here. If I wanna talk about tragedies, I comment on articles about them. I come here to talk about racing. However, if you want to talk about tragedies here, go ahead." What...the hell are you talking about? Who was talking about tragedies? 141. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Here's Harvick trying to do intimidation shit with Kenseth. He's gonna put all his focus on Kenseth instead of putting it all into winning this championship. Classic Harvick. 142. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe I don't like to talk about tragedies here. If I wanna talk about tragedies, I comment on articles about them. I come here to talk about racing. However, if you want to talk about tragedies here, go ahead." The hell did this come from...? That's completely random; I don't remember ANYONE on here discussing tragedies lately! 143. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski has a vibration. 144. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How bout them useless, Stupid & Clueless Cowboys 145. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon passes Kenseth for fourth and continues to march forward. 146. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Just when I thought the non-sensical Johnson/Hendrick conspiracy theories were gone from this board for good, he leads a few laps in a race and they rear their ugly, illogical head again. 147. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Excuse us, we're from the USRRG (United States Rubber Room Group), and we're looking for a person who posts on the internet as racefangurl. Typical behavior of this person includes non-stop mentions of Trevor Bayne and Joey Logano, including ==================== when completely inappropriate and offensive to the victims of a tragedy. =================== This person is also characteristic by a vicious hatred of Chase Elliott (or other rookies) doing well, including persistent day-dreaming of bad things happening to said people. No logic will be present in any statements made by this person and the statements may be dangerous to the IQ of the person, as well as possibly cause cancer, ebola, or encephalitis. Please keep your distance and report to your local United States Rubber Room Group branch if this person is sighted. " Dopey is taking this line out of context and twisting it into self-humiliation. 148. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "How bout them useless, Stupid & Clueless Cowboys " LOL Jerry Romo sucks. 149. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The hell did this come from...? That's completely random; I don't remember ANYONE on here discussing tragedies lately!" Maybe she's talking about the personal tragedy of Chase Elliott pretty much a lock for the Nationwide Championship. 150. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yeah, Danica is in major trouble if they leave her with Knost and that rag-tag crew next year. She needs a veteran ball-buster crew chief. 151. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Just when I thought the non-sensical Johnson/Hendrick conspiracy theories were gone from this board for good, he leads a few laps in a race and they rear their ugly, illogical head again. " Apparently you haven't noticed that we discussed two things: (1) irony of the eliminated Hendrick cars being fast today, and (2) joking about the infamous 2010 Texas kidnapping. 152. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe I don't like to talk about tragedies here. If I wanna talk about tragedies, I comment on articles about them. I come here to talk about racing. However, if you want to talk about tragedies here, go ahead." I believe this classifies as one those "DaFaq?" moments. 153. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe racefangurl is really... Yogi Berra? 154. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne whining about his crew, lol 155. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne lost a bunch of spots on his green flag pit stop. Edwards goes a lap down. He started just outside the top 10 and has really faded backwards since. I highly doubt we'll see him in the final round of the Chase. 156. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Carl goes a lap down. Those Roush cars are rolling punchlines. 157. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards a lap down after only 150 miles. Oh Roush, what once was. 158. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) C'Mon step it up Hamlin! you have to make the final 4! 159. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, MAR predicted that Kyle would get the sweep this weekend...he's running 19th right now, and not very far from being lapped. 160. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The race is always a third of the way through. If this race has lots of green flag runs, it's going to go by QUITE quick. I'm sure there will be some Jacques cautions in the near future, though... 161. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey racefangurl are you gonna try to reach me this evening?" You realize you're kind of coming across a bit pervish here, right? 162. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really wish Racefangurl would clarify her comments about tragedies. 163. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick and Gordon are starting to catch Johnson. 164. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ESPN's got to be close to throwing a candy wrapper or piece of lint on the track, Kyle's Magical History Tour is in jeopardy. 165. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Y'know... things aren't much different now than they were a few years ago. Then there was me, DSFF, cjs, Bronco, biffle16, etc... a bunch of a devoted posters (like DSFF and cjs) who were there to share, and some retards (Bronco, biffle16, Willy on Wheels) who were just there to piss everyone off. Now it's the same, except the retarded ones (not naming any names, but observing two or three posters who post nothing of substance except crud about their favorite drivers and personal neuroses) are harmless. 166. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nearly a full straightaway now separates third place Gordon and the now fourth place Newman. 167. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm shocked at how average Logano looks today. I thought he would be one of the best cars. If he doesn't improve today and has an iffy run at Phoenix, his chances might be well on their way down the drain. 168. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Newman in 4th. He's going to win this damn championship. 169. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's still time for Kyle 170. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now this is the pace I like races to go. 171. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "There's still time for Kyle" How many times has Kyle Busch honestly come back from adversity to win in the Cup Series? If he's running this mediocre not far from halfway through the race, I REALLY doubt he'll be up there battling for the win at the end. 172. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Ryan Newman in 4th. He's going to win this damn championship." Assuming he makes the Final Four, he'll need the other three to all have problems at Homestead. There's no way he's gonna win it by flat beating them (unless Kenseth, Edwards, and Hamlin are the other three - THEN he'd probably be the favorite). He's done an incredible job thus far, but I HIGHLY doubt he'll win the title. There's no way he'll flat out beat Gordon and Harvick (at this point they look like the only two locks) without them having problems. 173. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How many times has Kyle Busch honestly come back from adversity to win in the Cup Series?" Zero times, I'm pretty sure. 174. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon through to second place. *Jaws theme begins playing* 175. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Kyle, he's got right side damage after bouncing off the wall. 176. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch having right side damage doesn't really surprise me; his car was going WAY wide in the corners early in this race. Not entirely shocking that he'd find the wall at some point. 177. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well i jus saw that Kyle been in the wall so maybe he wont win 178. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In just one race, it's hard to say who would be fast. Especially with all of the effort the teams have been putting into Homestead (you know they have been in any way possible). F1 race has been great, but I'm about to switch over when it's over. 179. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman can win the championship if something like today or Martinsville plays out with a team eliminated winning and if Ryan leads a lap and finishes second. Whoever wins this Sprint Gimmick Cup will likely win or finish second at Homestead. 180. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The tragedy thing was a reference to what White Coats said, not a personal tragedy reference and about Barbie dolls I was almost 12 when 9/11 happened and didn't play with Barbies that much any more. 9/11 scared and upset me. I ripped paper when I threw it away because I had a lot of feelings, as said at the time. I feel tragedy talk's for social media and articles on news sites about it. And as far as a NASCAR personal tragedy goes, that would be one of my favorites couldn't race again due to death or disease/injury or had to go to the hospital. I'd cry if that happened. In fact, in 2011 I got teary over a favorite in the hospital. 181. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice to see Smoke once again qualify well, do decent the first stint of the race and then get progressively worse each pit stop. #FireChadJohnston 182. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) Y'know, I realized today just how deep my hatred of JJ is. I've never like Jimmie, but I respect him and what he's done. But even today, out of contention for the title, I still hate to see him leading and dominating this race. HE'S NOT IN THE CHASE ANYMORE! But I still am pulling for him to be beset by problems! Yikes. 183. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Piss off, Johnson! 184. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Angry there, bro! Besides, you do not have the power! 185. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have almost no doubts now that Newman will make the Final Four. Will he win the championship, though? I don't know; I think it'd be kind of funny if he did win the title at Homestead without winning a race considering this new Chase system was supposed to be all about winning, though. 186. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson still leads. 187. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "There's no way he'll flat out beat Gordon and Harvick (at this point they look like the only two locks) without them having problems." I agree about Gordon being a lock, but I'm not so sure about Harvick. I'm starting to think Gordon, Logano, Newman, and then either Kenseth or Hamlin for the last spot. 188. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nice to see Smoke once again qualify well, do decent the first stint of the race and then get progressively worse each pit stop. #FireChadJohnston" For what it's worth, Tony missed the pit entrance on the last stop because of a bottleneck. ESPN neglected to report this, for some reason or another. 189. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The first day daylight savings ends is the most depressing day of the year. It's not even 5:00 where I am and its about pitch black already. 190. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knock on wood, but at the current rate this race could end in under 3 hours. 191. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We're not too far from Johnson possibly lapping cars in the top 10 today. 192. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have no comment on things at the moment. 193. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Funny how whenever Johnson leads like this, Jacques is mysteriously absent. 194. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We're not too far from Johnson possibly lapping cars in the top 10 today. NASCAR would shit a brick if that happened. 195. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't mind what the #48 team is doing, this is three years in a row at Texas...Rockingham or even Texas World Speedway would be more intriguing. The law of averages was bound to catch up after not leading a lap at Dover, dominating Talladega only to have everything go awry late. 196. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica is four laps down already at halfway. That crew swap between the #10 and the #41 was supposed to help improve her performance. Looks like it's only going to help Kurt out. 197. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Funny how whenever Johnson leads like this, Jacques is mysteriously absent. " Jacques is absent for one reason only: the Chasers are all close enough together that they can catch and pass each other without artificial stimulation. 198. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cue the Jaws music! 199. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I WANT TO BREAK FREE WOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 200. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Vickers just went a lap down. He's running in 15th position. If we stay green for another 40-50 laps, I would imagine Johnson would begin lapping cars in the top 10. Of course, Jacques will probably make his grand appearance before then... 201. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I WANT TO BREAK FREE WOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" And my peers think I'M a Queen fanboy... 202. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will be really happy if a lack of competition caution didn't come out. It'd be interesting to see how the race plays out from here under green :) 203. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...and sure enough, the caution is out. Guess NASCAR just couldn't resist trying to bunch the field back up to make things exciting again... 204. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) TERRIBLE MONSTROSITYT OF A RACE. 205. Sophia posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Picture it: Dallas, 2012. A stock car race is taking place, and the race goes on a long run: no fender benders, no rabbits on the track, and no debris. A bunch of fans sit around wondering when there will be a caution, but it doesn't come... 206. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I spoke too soon :( 207. Jacques posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 14 cars on the lead lap? I'm on my way! 208. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I knew it. It's a Jacques caution. I was REALLY hoping they'd say it was for somebody bumping the wall or spinning out or something. Nope. It's exactly what I thought it was going to be. 209. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cause of caution: "Oh, shit, there are only 14 cars on the lead lap!" 210. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Cause of caution: "More people are watching the F1 podium interviews than our yawn-fest" 211. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I agree about Gordon being a lock, but I'm not so sure about Harvick." Looking at Harvick's recent Phoenix stats, I think he's gonna win there next week. I know that's kind of a bold statement considering how that team has given up so many easy wins this year, but ever since the 2011 Phoenix reconfiguration, he has been the King there (he's won 3 out of the 6 races run on that configuration). So I see him flat out dominating next week. I'll be shocked if he doesn't. I know there's still half of this race left to run, but I guess right now my Final Four is Gordon, Logano (though I'm seriously starting to doubt him winning the title - these Penske cars seem to be falling off here as the season winds down), Harvick, and then Kenseth or Newman for the fourth spot (it'll be REALLY close between them - I'm actually leaning towards Kenseth right now since he's been great today, and I also expect him to be really good at Phoenix too since the JGR cars have been at their best on the short ovals this year). 212. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition cautions ain't gonna save this race, especially if Nap-Time continues to boredominate. #BulldozeTexasMotorSpeedway 213. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cause of caution: "Fans' collective attention span is shorter than the F1 field" 214. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Texas has become a terribly boring track 215. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) F1 race just ended. What did I miss? 216. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can we put an asterisk beside this cause of caution? Can we start doing that on here? Please? Caution Lap 1XX - Debris* 217. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "F1 race just ended. What did I miss?" Jimmie Johnson domination, Josh Wise bumping the wall early, and a Jacques caution. Nothing much else, really. 218. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Texas has become a terribly boring track" *always been 219. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You missed the first and second cautions of the race. I just switched over myself. A lot of complaining on the board it appears. 220. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Can we put an asterisk beside this cause of caution? Can we start doing that on here? Please? Caution Lap 1XX - Debris*" I really do honestly wish NASCAR would just start being honest and listing these questionable debris cautions as "field too spread out" or whatever. Most of the fans on the fan council have said they would not care or would endorse NASCAR throwing mandatory cautions to keep the field from separating too much...might as well start being honest. 221. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bold prediction the jimmie and chad combo ends next year 222. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's not even 5:00 where I am and its about pitch black already. " Ha ha ha! I am in Florida. The sun is just setting! 223. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So I missed a long green flag run? Lame, I actually like those. At least I'd take it over yellows every 10 laps. 224. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick says his car sucks and yet he's running third. It must not suck THAT badly... 225. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The council asked what I felt about the chase last week, but nothing about caution flags this year (I joined over the winter). Would anybody else support marking fake debris cautions on this site? 226. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just explain the "*" as: Debris not shown on television. 227. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It just hit me that except for Gordon moving up from 8th to 2nd, nothing in the top-14 has changed since the start of the run after the Wise caution... 228. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Would anybody else support marking fake debris cautions on this site?" No, because there is such a thing as a real debris caution. 229. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski is struggling in 13th place after the halfway point. I'm really doubting we're going to see a repeat of the miracle at Talladega for him to advance to the final Chase round... 230. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm really doubting we're going to see a repeat of the miracle at Talladega for him to advance to the final Chase round..." He's mediocre at Phoenix, so it's extremely far-fetched. 231. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin has backslid a few spots in the last couple of laps. 232. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers is sucking really bad! He's already 17 seconds back! 233. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What really bugs me about debris yellows is the free pass rule. It makes the fields seem way more competitive than they actually are. Races with 22 cars on the lead lap at the end of a race would probably have only 12 lead lap cars without that rule. 234. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No, because there is such a thing as a real debris caution." Exactly. The two need to be differentiated on the race report for future reference. 235. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even so, I still wouldn't say Keselowski has the lowest odds of making it to the final round at Homestead; that honor definitely goes to Carl Edwards. He's been extremely lucky so far in the Chase to be able to make it this far in spite of his lame duck status, but he's run very mediocre at both Martinsville and Texas today...if he doesn't somehow figure something out at Phoenix next week, he's definitely not going to advance. 236. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, like so many times this year, Gordon has a good long run car. If it goes green long enough, he'll catch Johnson eventually. 237. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What really bugs me about debris yellows is the free pass rule. It makes the fields seem way more competitive than they actually are. Races with 22 cars on the lead lap at the end of a race would probably have only 12 lead lap cars without that rule." I think back to that 1994 North Wilkesboro race where Geoff Bodine lapped the entire field en route to victory (the last time that ever happened) and realize that nowadays, at least 4 cars would have been on the lead lap at the end of that race had that race happened now. Hell, NASCAR would have probably throw a Jacques caution nowadays well before Bodine would have had a chance to lap the field. No way they'd let that race run green for 330 laps at the start now! 238. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where i live, it is 5:15 and well past sunset. 239. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's a real debris caution. 240. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch's right rear tire comes off. He absolutely will not win today. 241. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch slams the wall again and loses his tire. Yellow flag. Hey, at least it's for real debris! 242. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Do you hear that thumping? *bu-bum* *bu-bum* It's Chad's heart pounding in his chest. 243. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where's MAR now? 244. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ok all you Kyle Busch haters are thrilled now 245. Rockstar posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Congrats to Kyle Busch for completing the triple this weekend. 246. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth leap frogs Harvick and Gordon in the pits, and will be back in second place. 247. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) To the broncos and patriots game i go im done with this borefest. 248. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Ok all you Kyle Busch haters are thrilled now" I wouldn't say I'm "thrilled", but I'm very happy we don't have to hear the words "Triple" or "History" anymore today. 249. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Ok all you Kyle Busch haters are thrilled now" We're always thrilled to correctly make a prediction that a blind, deaf, and mute paraplegic living in the Congo could have made. 250. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) MAR, no offense, but you're probably the ONLY person here who actually predicted Kyle would get the sweep today... 251. Rockstar posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @MAR tends to get butt-hurt. And it's funny. 252. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think back to that 1994 North Wilkesboro race where Geoff Bodine lapped the entire field en route to victory (the last time that ever happened) and realize that nowadays, at least 4 cars would have been on the lead lap at the end of that race had that race happened now. Hell, NASCAR would have probably throw a Jacques caution nowadays well before Bodine would have had a chance to lap the field. No way they'd let that race run green for 330 laps at the start now!" 4? Try 20. They'd be throwing debris yellows every 25 laps just to make sure they have a lot of lead lap cars. Then nascar will talk about how competitive and tough it is. 253. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey i cant it help it im a fan. 254. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick loses numerous spots on this restart. 255. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fandom doesn't entitle you to stupidity (see Fireball1020 and racefangurl for details) 256. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon got a good restart, Harvick got an atrocious restart. 257. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who exactly is your favorite driver hinch 77 258. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano looks a lot better now. 259. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My "favorite" per se is Jeff Gordon, but I am nowhere near as rabid as used to be. He is now the top of a list of drivers I will pull for. 260. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon has finally gotten around Johnson for the lead. Logano has charged his way up to third. He may well be a factor at the end to get the Texas sweep this year. racefangurl has to be jumping for joy seeing him move forward... 261. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon just rocketed past the 48. 262. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for legit debris. 263. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a piece of debris near turn 1. Guessing we're going to see a LOT of cautions now... 264. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's Carl Edwards' side skirt. 265. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Do all the Fords have an ejector button to pop their grill off when they need a yellow? 266. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just for giggles...check out who's running tenth. 267. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl Edwards' grille came off. Even Roush's grilles are built crappily. 268. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) O ok hinch i respect Jeff Gordon alot now i use to hate him through but i want him to finally win that 5th title 269. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin takes two tires to win the race out of the pits. Don't know how well that's going to work... 270. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin takes two tires. He's gonna get annihilated on this restart. 271. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In case no one did, Austin Dillon was running tenth at the time of the caution. 272. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is asking Nascar for some uninterrupted racing action too much to ask for? 273. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My Final Four: Gordon, Logano, Harvick or Keselowski and a Gibbs driver, like Kenseth. Someone talked about a Penske/Gibbs final, which is where the idea of a Gibbs driver came from. 274. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dillon has been in the top ten for a while now. All three of the RCR cars have been up there today. 275. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Is asking Nascar for some uninterrupted racing action too much to ask for?" If it means the field gets separated and there's not enough "excitement"...yes, yes it is. 276. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) This track is shit 277. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sure enough, Gordon immediately takes the lead back. 278. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano to second on the restart. racefangurl has to be mentally squealing with joy. 279. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't help but wonder if there's some swordplay at work here. 280. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne and Keselowski almost crash each other. 281. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne and Brad Keselowski slide up the track after contact, but both save it. 282. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick vs. Kenseth Part III 283. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not that long ago Kahne was a threat to win this race 284. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stupid ass idea by Grubb to take two tires. Denny is gonna be lapped now if this goes green for a while. 285. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin has already faded back to where he was running before the pit stops. That two-tire decision was an AWFUL move for him. The only thing it got him was a bonus point for leading a lap. 286. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! 287. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth slides back to sixth, while Newman moves back into the top 5. Like ESPN just said, Newman's not going away anytime soon... 288. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon, Logano, Kenseth, and Newman are the top four in points right now, in case anyone's interested. Ten points separate Kenseth from the first driver on the outside looking in, which is Hamlin. 289. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stewart and Biffle already close to getting lapped, but of course they didn't pit. 290. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yellow flag again. I KNEW we were going to have a rash of yellows late in this race. What a surprise, it's for debris again. I wouldn't be shocked if ALL the remaining yellows in this race were for debris... 291. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" Dafuq? Hate to break this to you, but Joey just lost a position. Jacques' non-invisible cousin "Jack" brings out a caution. 292. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" Okay then, Roger Daltrey. 293. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoever said we were going to have at least 22 cars on the lead lap at the end of this race, looks like you called it... 294. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...and Jimmie gets the lead back again in the pits. Bold prediction: Jimmie wins this race by getting ahead of Gordon in the pits on the last pit stop. 295. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @293 That was me. 296. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can we please just have non-stop racing with green-flag pit stops? Jeff Gordon loses a position in the pits for the 3rd consecutive time. 297. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Jimmie is going to repeat his dominance from last year. 298. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon slides back to fourth on the restart, and Logano is about to blow past him as well. 299. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica is Done-ica. 300. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick has slammed the wall and is limping to pit road. Wouldn't be surprised if we see another debris caution... 301. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica with more problems. I know she's had contact and stuff today, but even without that she's just been horrendous. Like I said, putting her with a rookie crew chief like Knost is not a smart move. 302. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yep. There's our debris caution. We're going to have more than 10 cautions in this race, aren't we? 303. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for strategy session to create excitement for NASCAR. Official reason for caution: Debris - Sparks from Danica Patrick 304. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski stays out while everyone else pits. Looks like he's going to try to gamble on a miracle... 305. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth has a horrendous pit stop and is now way back in the field. 306. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth has a horrible pit stop and loses about 10 spots. 307. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a race. I have never been this excited before in my life 308. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR HAS to throw a caution when someone hits the wall that hard, IMO. 309. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR HAS to throw a caution when someone hits the wall that hard, IMO." I've seen them not do it plenty of times. I've also seen them throw cautions when a car only got close to the wall and never even touched it, so... 310. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No adjustments on the #48 when this could be the last successive caution for a while. Long green run upcoming... hopefully 311. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Guys in F1 can wreck on the racetrack and there's still a chance a Safety Car won't be deployed. Someone hitting a wall is still no reason to throw a yellow. 312. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad is probably gonna get destroyed worse than Denny on this restart. He's been worse than Denny all day, AND he didn't take any tires. He's gonna get freight-trained. 313. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seriously, I think Brad will be fine on this restart. 314. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or not. 315. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This might actually work out well for Brad. He looks pretty good so far on the restart. 316. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Go Gordon! 317. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jaws theme... 318. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This seems to be a typical pattern at these tracks - fast first half, slow second half. 319. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) See told ya guys. Brad will be fine. Those tires are not that much older. 320. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Johnson has the third, maybe second, best car, but the best pit crew today. If this race comes down to a pit stop, he wins it. If it's decided by a 20+ lap green flag run, Gordon wins. 321. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "See told ya guys. Brad will be fine. Those tires are not that much older." Yeah, I didn't realize he pitted that recently. 322. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How crazy would it be if Brad's pit strategy worked out and he won the race after being non-competitive for 80% of the race? 323. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think NASCAR should allow an extra set of tires. 324. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Brad is now actually starting to open a gap on Gordon and pull away. 325. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't believe Brad is just pulling away now. This clean air stuff is ridiculous. 326. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't think NASCAR should allow an extra set of tires." I agree, especially since they're changing 4 tires every debris caution for performance purposes and not in the name of safety. 327. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, Brad is now actually starting to open a gap on Gordon and pull away" Saving tires. 328. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon is now closing back in. He's got the best car today for sure. I think Jimmie's dominance earlier had a lot to do with clean air. 329. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad had an advantage having an extra set of tires, so NASCAR decides to make sure everyone has the same opportunity. 330. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Force teams to make strategic decisions with regards to tire conservation like the 2 team did. Don't just give them an extra set. 331. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon finally gets around Keselowski. But Brad is still hanging right with Gordon, and it looks like he might pass him back. 332. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad's going to fall like a rock now. 333. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Remember last year's Brickyard, when every caution was for a car being "slow" on the pit access roads? 334. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick to second around Keselowski. Still, it's honestly looking like that gamble might pay off for him. If they get another caution shortly, he'll be right up in the top 5 late in the race. 335. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, Brad is losing a lot of ground now. Still, hell of a call by Wolfe. I did not expect that to work at all. 336. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon almost runs into the neon green moving chicane on the backstretch. 337. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Near collision between Reed Sorenson and Danica right in front of Gordon. That would have been HUGE if they'd crashed and taken Jeff out right there... 338. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) What the f**k was Danica doing? She just brake checked the #36 and almost took Gordon out. She has no clue, and she is getting progressively worse as a race driver. 339. Mr X posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was close. 340. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for debris. Unbelievable. 341. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honest question... How many more years before people start saying the same thing about Brad/Paul as they do about Jimmie/Chad? (i.e. How good would he be with a different crew chief?) 342. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, does cjs still think Gordon is scared of the fast tracks? Gordon's most impressive races this year have come at the two fastest tracks on the circuit. 343. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yet ANOTHER debris caution. HUGE break for Brad Keselowski. He may now be a major factor for the win. 344. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Kenseth almost got taken out by the 'Dinger. 345. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How many more years before people start saying the same thing about Brad/Paul as they do about Jimmie/Chad?" We'll see. Jimmie is still yet to bail himself out of a hole without his crew chief's help, as has Brad. If Brad can dig and drive himself out of it, then the comparisons will end there. UNTIL then, they will continue, but I will not ever be the one making them. 346. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) BK beniefit caution. :x NASCAR's officiating is ridiculous. And I thought F1 was money hungary :X 347. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again, Johnson gets the lead out of the pits and Gordon loses spots. 348. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Imagine where Gordon would be this season if he wasn't surrounded by dumbasses? 349. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Please, no more debris cautions. The #24 loses spots in the pits yet again. 350. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Please, no more debris cautions." Too bad. There's probably going to be 3-4 more before this is over. 351. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both Gordon and Johnson need to work together to keep Harvick from winning. 352. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch gets the free pass. Unfortunately for MAR, there's less than 50 laps to go, so there's no way he wins this race barring something insane happening... 353. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 24 on the lead lap...ridiculous. 354. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How the hell did Kenseth get back in the top 10? Did they just have the best pit stop of all time or something? 355. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Man, I love it when Gordon is pulling away with the lead, and a lovely debri caution ruins his momentum and takes the lead away from him through pit stops. It's just so awesome. 356. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for an accident by Brett Moffitt. More pit stops? 357. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Caution for an accident by Brett Moffitt. More pit stops? " More chances for the crew to piss in Gordon's water bottle? 358. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This caution is legit 359. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Johnson has this race won. Calling it now. 360. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Buncha guys stayed out. 361. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth and a BUNCH of other cars opt not to pit here. 362. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Larson takes two and wins the race out of the pits. Johnson is going to restart nearly outside the top 10. AWFUL pit stop for Logano, and at the worst possible time, as well. racefangurl has to be on the verge of tears... 363. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Please someone save us from JWL 364. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JoLo's crew just had a catastrophe. 365. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) This is stupid. Really stupid. 366. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth, Kurt Busch, Vickers, Hamlin, Stewart, Kyle Busch, and Annett stay out. We might see a surprise winner here...Nah, Johnson will charge through the field and get the lead back at the end. This restart is going to be chaotic, I just know it... 367. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The only pit stop i have ever seen worse than that was when that all women pit crew worked during a truck race years ago 368. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) These damn debris cautions have put the pit crews in a box with tires and pressure packed situations... Logano falls from 4th to 23rd. Manufactured "debris" cautions have led to legitimate cautions that have turned the field inside out. 369. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Hopefully Annett misses a shift. 370. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Y'all do realize if this race has a long enough run to put Jimmie in the lead... that means Jeff is in the lead because a 20-30 lap run would see him pass Jimmie? 371. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is definitely not going to be the last caution... 372. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stewart pits, so there's one less car that stayed out. 373. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stewart pits with one to go. 374. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is going to be insane if BOTH Penske cars get eliminated... 375. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Watch Newman somehow get a podium out of this... 376. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can anybody make it from here? 377. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano off the pace. 378. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Legimate battle for the lead at TEXAS. 379. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder just how many more cautions they'll have. Maybe cautions breed cautions at Texas. I think if the restart's crazy enough this could happen. 380. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch to the lead, and Logano is off the pace and spins out! 381. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano spins, flat tire, caution. 382. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's over for Logano. 383. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy cow, are both Penske cars REALLY on the verge of being eliminated? 384. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can anybody make it from here? On gas, they all have plenty. 385. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Oh, boy... here come the tears from the overgrown manchild... 386. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not gonna lie, I've really enjoyed this race. I know the on track racing hasn't been great, but I think it's really had sort of an old school "survival of the fittest" type vibe to it with the strategies and tire situations. 387. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There goes Logano's championship! 3 of my final 4 picks have had problems in the last 2 races! 388. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nascar to institute a new rule for 2015 season, a minimum of 15 yellow flags per race. According to Brian France, "This will instill a new level of competition and excitement we have never seen before in Nascar's history and will bring us to new heights!" 389. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So it's looking like the final four might end up being Kenseth, Gordon, Hamlin, and Newman. Definitely not the final four I was anticipating... 390. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's over for anyone that's lapped. 391. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even if Logano rallies to make it back in next week, I don't see him winning the championship anymore. These Penske cars have really been showing signs of regression on these 1.5 milers lately (at both Charlotte and now Texas they've been average), so I don't like that going into Homestead. 392. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch has a tire rub. Jimmie is up to second...yay... 393. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) *HUGE sigh* Guess I'm going to have to retract my prediction of a penske car winning the title. I was pulling for Joey to be honest. 394. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie battles with Kurt for the lead now... 395. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne crashes, another caution. 396. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne spins in the tri-oval, and sure enough, we have our 10th caution. STILL predicting this isn't the last caution... 397. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Krashy Kahne, someone called him. 398. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie pretty well has this win in the bag now I think, unless Harvick and/or Gordon make some insane power moves on the restart. 399. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Will anyone save us from JWL (Jimmie Wins Lol)? 400. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All right! About everyone did the opposite of Dos Jotas! 401. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick and everyone behind him comes. Jimmie, Kurt, and Jeff might be sitting ducks here. 402. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This has been a long ass race. 403. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Kurt, Johnson, and Gordon are in BIG trouble on this restart... 404. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Come on fresh tires! 405. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why don't late race pit stops play out like that (or vice versa) more often? 406. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, Jeff Gordon's gonna have to stand strong on this restart. With older tires than everybody behind him, yikes. Of course, the 48 will still be faster than those folks. 407. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Will anyone save us from JWL (Jimmie Wins Lol)?" I'd rather see Kurt or Gordon win, but I won't be totally disappointed if Jimmie wins since he's already eliminated from championship contention. 408. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think pitting here may be the winning move...but we'll see... 409. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth and Newman made good contact. Someone might have a flat tire there. 410. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Four wide back in the pack! Newman has a tire rub. 411. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt, why did you start on the top lane again? 412. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like quite a few others stayed out... 413. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The two winless wonders nearly took each other out right there. 414. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for smoke. 415. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Newman has a big time tire rub. That won't last the rest of the race. 416. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Kahne needs to be parked. He's been a total pinball in the last half of this. 417. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Krashy Kahne indeed... what a crazy turn this race has taken. 418. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne wrecks again. Caution #11...and I'm 100% sure this STILL isn't the final yellow of this race. This restart is going to be crazy. Will the cars on fresh tires be able to power their way through Johnson and Gordon? 419. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth and Newman pit here. 420. MarkMartinFan posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lol at Kahne these last 2 weeks. 421. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How the hell did the booth miss Kenseth and Newman making contact? They were four wide through the tri-oval with the camera pointed right at them. 422. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is getting crazy 423. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Wow! 100-something laps of green in a row and with one fake caution this has turned into one of the slowest 500 mile races NOT held at Dover or Riverside in autoracing history, including lawn mower racing... 424. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski is the highest up of the cars on fresh tires. He might be in the catbird's seat here... 425. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bold prediction: 3 more cautions in this race. 426. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Hinch wins comment of the race thus far... 427. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How the hell did the booth miss Kenseth and Newman making contact? They were four wide through the tri-oval with the camera pointed right at them." BSPN being BSPN. 428. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) The amount that NASCAR's manipulation has altered this race is sickening. 429. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski's only 11 points from the cutoff in the standings...he's looking a lot better than after Martinsville... 430. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon with one of his best restarts ever. 431. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well...how bout them apples? 432. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon through to the lead, but here come the cars on fresh tires! 433. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 6:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How long before another yellow? 434. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Maybe this race will have a green white checkered. 435. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick and Keselowski battle for third while simultaneously trying to pass Johnson. They're letting Gordon get away... 436. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ooh man. 437. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Bowyer. Unbelievable. 438. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This has become the race that will not end 439. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe this race will have a green white checkered. " Your vicious hatred of certain drivers is already obvious... 440. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh my God! Dos Jotas was being a good teammate for once. Then Bowyer does what Bowyer does. Yellow again 441. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer slams the wall and we get our GWC, just like I predicted we would. Harvick or Keselowski is going to win this race on their fresh tires... 442. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good 443. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jeff Gordon's bogeyman strikes again! 444. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) There it is folks! Lawn mower racing is faster! 445. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Itching. 446. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Bold prediction: STILL not the last caution. 447. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If that causes a caution, bumper cars are dangerous. 448. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I think today Clint Bowyer and Kasey Kahne deserve the "You're such a worthless dumbass you should lose your license" award. These guys are making last night's All American 400 look like the Rose Parade! 449. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch is one of the only cars to pit. 450. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's a green white checkered got to do with hate? I was just thinking of all the cautions that have happened and guessing a green white checkered finish would happen based on that. I didn't say it out of hate. 451. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Bold prediction: STILL not the last caution." Bolder prediction: Three GWC attempts and it ends under caution. 452. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Itchy arm causes the yellow. Can any of these guys not wreck? 453. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) In the words of legendary WWF commentator Gorilla Monsoon, "That guy just got Pearl Harbored." 454. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Freakin freak!!!! NASCAR jumped the caution there, trigger finger.. 455. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon idiotically chooses the outside for the restart. 456. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I say Harvick pushes Gordon to the lead, then gets around him for the win. 457. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This restart is going to be NUTS... 458. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This has "Martinsville 2012" written all over, just with Brad in Bowyer's position. 459. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gordon idiotically chooses the outside for the restart. " Something dumb about wanting to go fast? They're setting Jimmie up to fall on a sword... 460. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch in third.... 461. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) GORDON SPINS OUT! Oh my, this is insane... 462. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon flat tire, spins, GWC again. Crazy ass stuff. 463. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Brad popped Gordon's left rear. Jeff is gonna be hot about that. 464. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) That was just a racing deal going for the win, but Keselowski is now enemy #1 in the Gordon fan camp. 465. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (4) (9) I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT SOME BAD NEWS!!!!!!!!! 466. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MAR...you might be right...Kyle Busch might just get the sweep as he's in 3rd... 467. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now Gordon has to get around the track on a flat tire and he still lost a lap. 468. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (7) (2) "Brad popped Gordon's left rear. Jeff is gonna be hot about that." Jeff popped his own tire slamming in to BK. 469. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Something dumb about wanting to go fast? They're setting Jimmie up to fall on a sword..." He gave Jimmie the inside, where Jimmie has been supreme all day. Obviously it doesn't matter anymore though. Jeff won't win now. 470. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT SOME BAD NEWS!!!!!!!!! " The fact that you came to this site just to post this is indicative of a deep mental illness. 471. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No! 472. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Gordon is about to get eliminated right here... 473. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Just as a reminder: NASCAR threw the Danica "debris" caution in order to keep Brad from being lapped by pitting under green flag. 474. luigistarted06 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I really hate this race. That fake caution turned it into a joke and that's all there is to it 475. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There's still Phoenix. It's not the end of the world folks. 476. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT SOME BAD NEWS!!!!!!!!!" Because being spun out was completely Jeff's fault. 477. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Of course ASSCAR put's Johnson back in the lead... 478. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Jeff screwed himself by choosing the outside lane on the restart. The contact between him and Brad was just hard racing. Either way I hate to see him lose the race like this. 479. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dear god, EDWARDS is actually in position to advance to the next round... 480. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) >SNEAK 481. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) EDWARDS IS 4TH IN POINTS LOL 482. startandparkfan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon, who did the best all year, is done for the year. Nascar is really getting me mad with this new chase system. 483. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) So Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards were both 2 laps down at some point in this race and now they're both in the top 10... and Edwards might just make it to the final 4 if he gets a good result at Phoenix. 484. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "I really hate this race. That fake caution turned it into a joke and that's all there is to it" It was a joke before the fake caution. The fake caution turned it in to an amusing joke. 485. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer running out of room set this up, Pearl Harbored. 486. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) Come on Johnson! Take down that dirty little ass wipe by winning this race! I have noticed this about Kes. When he can't win fairly, he dumps somebody, and then says it's the other guy's fault... Let's see if that pattern repeats in his interview. 487. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The contact was not Brad's fault. He's gotta make a move to win the race. But I still am fuming over the whole thing to begin with. Bowyer's spin, NASCAR's trigger finger to bring out the yellow, and now the 24 pit crew screwing up that pit stop to drop him a lap down. 488. I have never posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Damn, how close did that left rear tire changer come to breaking his wrists? 489. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Gordon, who did the best all year, is done for the year. Nascar is really getting me mad with this new chase system. " Hell-frickin-lo he's only 4 points out of the next round as they run! 490. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick knocks Brad out of the way for 2nd, Jimmie wins. 491. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) bleh. 492. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (6) (3) This race was absolutely atrocious. I want someone to honestly defend this piece of shit event. Go ahead, try. 493. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) The tampon car goes to vi..(snores) 494. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson hangs on to win the race after Harvick and Keselowski battled for second on the restart. DAMMIT, that could have been Gordon...oh well. At least he could still get in at Phoenix... HELL of an ugly race, though. That's all I feel I can say about this. The last half of this race was a total disaster. 495. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon is still 4th in points, for all the doomsayers. 496. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is still in good shape I think. He just has to go get a top five at Phoenix and he's in. Now here's Jeff trying to look for Keselowski. 497. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not worried. I'm saving all that for next race. Worrying, that is. 498. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is MAD at Brad... 499. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another non chaser wins, and we're gonna see drama between Jeff and Brad. 500. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Worst sprint cup race of all time damn i hate that for Gordon and Kyle came so close to a sweep 501. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) lol 502. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MASSIVE brawl in the pits...my goodness... 503. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) When you piss JG off, that's like pissing off St. Francis. You know you've earned. Now pissing Mark Martin off? That's like pissing off Mother Theresa. 504. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) ALL YOU GUYS GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THEM FIGHT, DAMNIT!!! I knew this was coming. 505. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Stupidest race of all time like 7 debris cautions. Gordon and his crew being bitches because something didnt go their way 506. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...did Gordon just get the shit beat out of him? 507. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Did freaking Kevin Harvick instigate that? 508. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fight!!!!!!!! 509. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pardon my French screw this points system, damn what a scrum. 510. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was Harvick a diversion, was he trying to get Brad too, or did he honestly just want to talk it over nicely with him? 511. We need more Onion posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (5) (8) What is even funnier than this joke of a race is the huge amount of Gordon asslicking going on here... 512. I have never posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Harvick truly earns the nickname...where did he come from... 513. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The race was a pathetic joke. The fight was better. 514. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I think that was Harvick that shoved Brad. 515. luigistarted06 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) In all honesty I don't think I've ever felt so sick about a race in my life 516. MarkMartinFan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Keselowski is a tool. 517. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Stupidest race of all time like 7 debris cautions. Gordon and his crew being bitches because something didnt go their way " If you think Gordon's a bitch, then you've never EVER paid attention to the rest of the drivers. 518. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can only wonder if Gordon and Brad are going to get penalized here... 519. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Sadly, NASCAR will call this as an absolute success. Turning more into WWE all the time. I will not, and cannot defend the way that this event was officiated. 520. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Oh for goodness sake it was A RACING DEAL!!! I'm team nobody in this, just crown the champion all ready. 521. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) "What is even funnier than this joke of a race is the huge amount of Gordon asslicking going on here..." Gladly f**k off. 522. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) Brad deserves to have his shit kicked in, tbh I don't blame Gordon for wanting to beat his ass. 523. Dylan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (4) (5) The winner should've been Brad Keselowski. Penske Racing for life. 524. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Gordon just called Keselowski a dipshit. NOW he's going to get penalized...or fined, at the very least... 525. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Let's see if Gordon gets penalized for "dipshit" 526. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) EPIC INTERVIEW! 527. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What happened at Phoenix two years ago? What did Rick whisper into Jeff's ear? Brad will not make it out of Phoenix in the Chase. 528. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Gordon calls Brad a "dipshit" on live TV. I've been vocal about Brad lately, but they were racing for the win there. He did nothing wrong. 529. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I can't blame him... as much as I am against driver fights... I am bigger than most of these guys, and I would probably calmly walk up to them, give them two haymakers, and call it a night. 530. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (7) (2) If Gordon is being a bitch, then Brad is mentally ill. 531. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad was a lot more mature in his interview than I thought he'd be. Unlike Charlotte when he acted like the victim to everything he started that night. 532. epzik8 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) I guess now my final four won't all be correct. But I'm just glad to see Jimmie's red car in victory lane. It's his 70th Cup win. 533. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Seriously though, was that Harvick that shoved Brad there? If so, I have no idea what the hell that was all about. If anything, Brad should be mad at Harvick because Harvick knocked him out of the way for 2nd. 534. Kevin posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) How do you not have officials surrounding Gordon the whole time. Ridiculous NASCAR let that spiral out of control on pit road, this is why people call NASCAR a joke at times. 535. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, major lol at Paul Menard's pit crew randomly mixing it up in that fight. Wow. That's all I can say. 536. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) This was Grade A racing deal. Brad went into a risky hole, hole closed up. Gets turned into a fiasco cause it's Brad. Now I think his stunts at Charlotte were dumb as shit, but he did nothing wrong here today. 537. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Brian france AKA vince McMahon screws Jeff Gordon again 538. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) This new point system is a bigger flop then new coke 539. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) It was Harvick. I don't like Brad, but what a pussy. 540. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'm anticipating Gordon getting penalized, and possibly Brad as well... The worst part? Most fans outside of this site will probably consider this one of the best races of the entire year just because of that fight... 541. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "If you think Gordon's a bitch, then you've never EVER paid attention to the rest of the drivers." I never said he is always a bitch, but he is being REALLY bitchy after this racing incident. And it was a racing incident if theres a hole open you take it going for the win if he comes down and cuts his tire on your car then thats his problem. 542. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (3) (9) Yes! Yes! Yes! To see Jeff, with a bloody lip whining like a little girl again, feels so damn good. He can dish it out, but he can't take it. 543. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm anticipating Gordon getting penalized, and possibly Brad as well..." Won't happen. 544. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll have to watch replays of the fight later, but if Harvick instigated that I am not shocked in the least. 545. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) This race is now the frontrunner for the award of Worst race of the year. 546. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""I'm anticipating Gordon getting penalized, and possibly Brad as well..." Won't happen." Well, let me rephrase that...It could happen, but it will be meaningless monetary fines. 547. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That was a damn Hendrick mafia attack. The 4,5,and 24 crews were tackling the 2 team. And how the hell did JoLo get back to the top spot? 548. RaceFanX posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Do we really need a fight every time there's some on track rubbing. That seemed a bit much. Kudos to Paul Menard's pit crew. That brawl happened in front of their pit and they tried to break it up best they could. 549. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) What the hell was Harvick doing? He had no dog in the dispute at all and he just randomly out of no where shoves Boiled Brad and kicks start the whole shabang. We've been hard on Brad lately for his antics but Harvick was a complete dipshit(to borrow Jeff's words) there. 550. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm confused by Harvick. It's like he wanted to see a fight. 551. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I honestly think Richmond was better than this race. People will only call this race memorable because of the fight. 552. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I seriously lost a lot of respect for Harvick there. Like I said, I hate how Brad has conducted himself this year, and I don't like him in the least bit. But for Harvick to just interject himself into something he wasn't even involved with was just ridiculous. One of the biggest pussy moves I've ever seen. 553. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If all three drivers aren't fined and lose points, Brad will not make it past Phoenix. 554. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "This race is now the frontrunner for the award of Worst race of the year." Worst since the Fall Talladega race in 2009. 555. DB1995 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) After Gordon sees the replay im sure he will see it was a racing deal and that in Brads shoes he would had done the same. 556. Mr X posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Looking at this NASCAR is going to have to find a way of regulating these skirts around the rear wheels. We don't need to see cut tires every time light contact is made. 557. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Harvick has raced people aggressively as hell his whole career but when someone does it to him he tries to dump them on track and if that fails, he starts a fight post-race. So if he did shove Brad to start the deal, it doesn't surprise me at all. It's why I have never liked the guy. And this is coming from someone who has grown tired of Brad's act too. As for Gordon, it was a racing deal. I agree that Brad has been a dipshit recently, but not tonight. He was merely going for the win and the move he made was the right one considering a hole opened up. 558. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) what a crazy fight at the end! Brad Keselowkski hacks blood, Jeff Gordon has a cut lip, and Kevin Harvick fights too. 559. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really enjoyed this race purely for all the insane strategies in the second half. Yeah, the debris cautions were bullshit, but I thoroughly enjoyed the intensity in the last half. And even though I'm not a Jimmie fan, at least one of the two best cars all day won. 560. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seriously, was it my imagination or did Harvick look damn near giddy when he shoved Keselwoski? Also, this race was worse in 2012 and 2013, in my opinion, but this one was still pretty bad. Texas should lose its Chase date. 561. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Worst since the Fall Talladega race in 2009." Why was that bad? 562. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad won't make it out of Phoenix alive. Someone will make sure of it. Kenseth, Stewart, Harvick or Gordon. One of them will take him out, I'm sure of it. 563. Kevin posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Quote from Harvick just now in the press conference. "I didn't get in the middle of anything, I just turned him around and told him to go fight his own battles." So take that for what you will. 564. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) " Yes! Yes! Yes! To see Jeff, with a bloody lip whining like a little girl again, feels so damn good. He can dish it out, but he can't take it." Quite appropriate since Earnhardt was the original candy-ass crybaby who could dish it out but not take it. You got big ego isues, biy. You forget how many drivers got injured because of Dale. Hell, he caused a wreck so violent Richmond had to be rebuilt from scratch. I have never met a classy Sr. fan, and never will. They condone senseless acts of violence, and then when someone defends themself against senselss violence you call them a baby. Boy, I can tell you that you would probably happily beat a fan of another driver for shits and giggles. 565. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Does anybody feel as though NASCAR staged this whole thing in the first place? 566. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, I understand the anger, but I don't think Brad did anything wrong. 567. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Totally agree with RCR/Penske Guy. Harvick is Nascar's version of an internet troll. 568. Sector posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am highly disappointed. I really hope Phoenix will be good for Jeff. But uhh, you can tell Harvick doesn't like Brad. 569. dennyfan11 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Around the cutoff, it is VERY tight! Jeff is just 1 POINT ahead, Matt Kenseth and Carl Edwards are 1 POINT Back, Blood-Cougher Keselowski is 5 back, and Kevin Harvick is 6 back. 570. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "As for Gordon, it was a racing deal. I agree that Brad has been a dipshit recently, but not tonight. He was merely going for the win and the move he made was the right one considering a hole opened up." The irony of this is that back when he was driving the rainbow car Jeff made a career out of the very moves he's slamming Brad for(the 1999 Daytona 500 comes to mind). I understand his frustration but Brad did nothing wrong, he saw a hole and went for it. 571. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Does anybody feel as though NASCAR staged this whole thing in the first place?" No, because I'm smart enough not to believe in conspiracy theories. 572. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Also, I understand the anger, but I don't think Brad did anything wrong." I withhold my further opinions of the incident itself until I watch the replay, but I will still knock people here making stupid statements. Thank you for being reasonable. 573. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) Man I could watch that Gordon interview on a loop over and over again. Almost makes the 90s nightmare he put us through worth it. 574. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) What a joke of a race. Straight up typical boring Texas + NASCAR meddling + Jimmie Johnson trolling, exclamated by winning over cars with fresh tires. 575. ddb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) At least all the debris cautions brought tire strategy into the mix. Once the Kasey Kahne pinball was out of the way, it was pretty exciting. Johnson blocking the entire track for Gordon when Horse and Harvick were coming probably pissed Horse off and he had to have known he couldn't let them clear the field. If anyone should be mad, it should be Keselowski at Harvick for flat running into him when he was fighting for the lead. Gordon cut into Keselowski trying to pick him off behind Johnson and caused his own problem. 576. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just my opinion with the contact between Jeff and Brad. I look at that like Ty and Chase at Canada in the truck last year. If you your gonna leave THAT BIG OF A HOLE there someone is gonna try to go for it. Brad already proved he's not afraid to go 3 wide through the middle at Chicago, he's gonna do it again if you give him the chance and that's what he did. Hate so say it cause i Like him and he's a legend in the sport but Jeff's at fault here. 577. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I didn't get in the middle of anything, I just turned him around and told him to go fight his own battles." He should be worrying about going to Phoenix and winning there (you know, since it's his best track and all) and advancing, not about what other people are doing. This is exactly the reason why he has never won a Cup title. He puts more focus and energy into stupid things like this, and in the long run it ends up burning him in his on track performance. 578. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The irony of this is that back when he was driving the rainbow car Jeff made a career out of the very moves he's slamming Brad for(the 1999 Daytona 500 comes to mind). I understand his frustration but Brad did nothing wrong, he saw a hole and went for it." There is nothing calling an isolated incident a pattern. He did make that ONE move, and it was decided to be too dangerous and thus came the yellow line rule. But moves like that had, and still have, happened for decades. 579. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Joey was 3 spots ahead of Newman and benefitted from Gordon's spin, I guess. 580. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (10) And yes, the irony of Jeff being mad at people for making contact is rich. Makes his whining even more fun. And watching him fall further and further down the list of greatest drivers is great. Johnson> Gordon 581. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) One thing everyone seems to have missed thus far is that of the 4 drivers making the 'Final 4' at homestead, at most only 1 will get in via 'wins'. If that in itself dosen't show that NASCAR's point system thing is terribly flawed in and of itself, I don't know what will. 582. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (7) (1) Why are most people on here just pulling for drivers and blindly ignoring how BAD NASCAR manipulated the outcome of this race? Reading your comments I would believe that we'd just watched a SOAP OPERA. You're happy that the race was manipulated and made exciting! Is that what you really want to watch?! Get a hold of yourselves and realize how childish this race was and how much you've gotten wrapped up into personalities. While you've been getting wrapped up in all of that, the sport has gone to absolute !@#$, and I'm not going to be soft: your not caring is allowing this series to become more and more of a joke. Many of you are just as bad as the fan council! 583. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) One word about that postrace drama. WOOOOOWWWW. This is getting insane! 584. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) "Gordon cut into Keselowski trying to pick him off behind Johnson and caused his own problem." Horseshit. Gordon took his line and Brad made a move towards his car and cut his tire. Gordon 30th Brad 3rd. 585. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Also, DSFF has gone full troll mode. 586. ddb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For all the comments on the chase system being terrible, at least it's making guys race over their heads every race and when they do that they make mistakes. The only problem is that every race is a Talladega mentality of just make it to the end which makes the first 90% uneventful, but a lot is happening at the end of races. What more can you ask for than emotion from the drivers? And how awesome would it be if Edwards made the final 4? Struggles to run 20th most races and still has a chance. 587. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Man I could watch that Gordon interview on a loop over and over again. Almost makes the 90s nightmare he put us through worth it." Earnhardt would have stormed out of the track without an interview, and probably assaulted some TV folks on the way out if he had been in any of the driver's (Harvick, Gordon, or Keselowski) position. 588. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) When I actually look at the replay, I don't honestly think Brad actually did anything WRONG...but I can TOTALLY understand Gordon being PO'ed afterwards. I think all of us would be pretty angry if we were in his shoes... Also, I agree with most everyone else...Harvick is an ASSHOLE helping kickstart the fight like that. As for Brad, he's pulled so much crap this year (I will give him a pass for tonight, because I said, I don't think he actually did anything wrong, but I don't give him a pass for much ELSE this year...) that I will be truly astonished if he survives Phoenix with an intact race car. 589. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Why are most people on here just pulling for drivers and blindly ignoring how BAD NASCAR manipulated the outcome of this race? Reading your comments I would believe that we'd just watched a SOAP OPERA. You're happy that the race was manipulated and made exciting! Is that what you really want to watch?!" Dude, just let it go...People can think whatever they want to think about this race. I thought it was bad, but not because of NASCAR's so-called "manipulation". 590. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Many of you are just as bad as the fan council!" So basically what YOU are saying is that fans are part of the problem? 591. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I am amused by all this... 592. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, I have no clue who will win the championship. I'm just going to sit back and let it play out. Also, seems like the crews only pour fuel on the fire when things like this happen pose-race. 593. BKisaChode posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (3) (5) Brad Keselowksi is a chode. He's always been a chode. And anyone who's every rooted for him has either been a redneck, or a chode, but usually both. 594. ddb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Of course someone with a handle like JG24FanForever would have an unbiased view on what happened. Take off the rose coloured glasses, Gordon makes mistakes, and he made one but couldn't take it when it he got burnt by it. 595. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "" Yes! Yes! Yes! To see Jeff, with a bloody lip whining like a little girl again, feels so damn good. He can dish it out, but he can't take it." Quite appropriate since Earnhardt was the original candy-ass crybaby who could dish it out but not take it. You got big ego isues, biy. You forget how many drivers got injured because of Dale. Hell, he caused a wreck so violent Richmond had to be rebuilt from scratch. I have never met a classy Sr. fan, and never will. They condone senseless acts of violence, and then when someone defends themself against senselss violence you call them a baby. Boy, I can tell you that you would probably happily beat a fan of another driver for shits and giggles. " Come on guys.. this is getting a little out of hand. Uncalled for, both of you. 596. Sector posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Harvick was right behind Brad's car, hands on the #2's spoiler before the shove. He was waiting to make the move. 597. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (4) (3) " And yes, the irony of Jeff being mad at people for making contact is rich. Makes his whining even more fun. And watching him fall further and further down the list of greatest drivers is great. Johnson> Gordon" When was the last time Johnson drive from 38th to first at Rockingham? Key word: you seem to forget that Earnhardt was the most whiney piece of shit that ever lived, and that NONE of his peers respected him as a person on the track except for Neil, his best friend. HE is the reason NASCAR sucks today. He is the reason drivers are little fruitcakes who can talk big but not handle being talked big back to. He is the reason everyone is a self-entitled little bitch. You ask the Rex White's of the world, and they tell you DALE EARNHARDT SR. killed NASCAR. 598. Kevin posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Watching Brad's press conference. I actually think he's doing a pretty good job explaining himself and situation. I was very anti-Kes after Charlotte but I'm finding myself siding with him here strangely. 599. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) "Also, DSFF has gone full troll mode." DSFF also has the collective mentality of a three year old with Downs Syndrome. "For all the comments on the chase system being terrible, at least it's making guys race over their heads every race and when they do that they make mistakes. The only problem is that every race is a Talladega mentality of just make it to the end which makes the first 90% uneventful, but a lot is happening at the end of races. What more can you ask for than emotion from the drivers?" To actually race competently? Most of the race was just guys wrecking around each other. The F1 race at Austin wasn't amazing by any stretch but that was at least watchable compared to this dreg. 600. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "And watching him fall further and further down the list of greatest drivers is great." Are you retarded? He's been rock solid ALL f**kING YEAR! You think because he gets a cut tire, and finishes 30th, after having the race in the bag before the itchy caution, that this is moving him down the list of greatest drivers? Keep living in your head, friend. 601. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) I'm also going to predict that this is not going to be the last massive brouhaha in the pits after a race this year. I'm fully anticipating there being even more fisticuffs after the race at Phoenix, and oh, just you wait until the title's on the line at Homestead... And the worst part is that a lot of the casual fans are going to eat this shit up with a big grin on their face...and that's probably what NASCAR wants. I know NASCAR is well known for having fights throughout its' history (1979 Daytona 500, of course), but if that's REALLY the reason most people care about the sport or love this new championship system...I just feel really sad inside... 602. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Many of you are just as bad as the fan council!" You seem to think that people can't draw their own conclusions about which direction they want the sport to go. It's like you think we need "true fans" like yourself to save us from our own mistakes. I've never had much respect for people who seem to think others can't think for themselves. Having lively discussions and disagreements is one thing, but you've crossed the line into condescension. 603. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "your not caring is allowing this series to become more and more of a joke." What do you expect us to do, call up Brainless Brian on his personal cell phone? You act like we're the ones running Nascar or something. I get that there were a couple of lame, unnecessary debris cautions today, but if you've even remotely payed attention to this series over the past ten years, guess what: it happens every week. So unless you have France's number and have ins at Nascar, there's nothing that can be done about it. So because of that, I would suggest either stop watching or learn to adapt and live with it. 604. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) NASCAR's manipulation of the outcome of this race in the final 100 laps is downright deplorable. So many teams like the #99 ran well outside the top twenty, but due to the closing up of the field, were gifted good finishes that would not have had them if the last twenty plus laps had gone green. 605. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and by the way: the top four are Logano, Hamlin, Newman, and Gordon, and no one's locked into the next round. 606. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I just hope we don't have a situation where the champion is attacked by another driver in two weeks at Homestead. 607. TS1420 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He should be worrying about going to Phoenix and winning there (you know, since it's his best track and all) and advancing, not about what other people are doing. This is exactly the reason why he has never won a Cup title. He puts more focus and energy into stupid things like this, and in the long run it ends up burning him in his on track performance." Harvick basically lost his shot at the title tonight when he decided to battle Keselowski for 2nd f***ing place rather than working with him to get past Johnson and then battling for the win. "Johnson> Gordon " ...Wow. 608. BON GORDON posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't say that I'm mad at Keselowski. I really wish the all the cautions didn't fly at the end. Really want to see Jeff win one more championship. Today was a big hit....ugh. I have no problem with what Gordon did after either. He's a competitor. In the heat of the moment no driver is going to stop and think things through. Gordon has raced ppl clean almost all of his career and I can guarantee he wouldn't have body slammed Keselowski if the roles were reversed. Oh well, it's a racing incident. Life goes on, even for Jeff and Brad. No one is perfect. I'll be pulling hard for Gordon at Phoenix. 609. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Idk how Harvick started that. Makes think he yelled something and Jeff thought it was Brad who said it. Just weird. 610. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Why are most people on here just pulling for drivers and blindly ignoring how BAD NASCAR manipulated the outcome of this race? Reading your comments I would believe that we'd just watched a SOAP OPERA. You're happy that the race was manipulated and made exciting! Is that what you really want to watch?! Get a hold of yourselves and realize how childish this race was and how much you've gotten wrapped up into personalities. While you've been getting wrapped up in all of that, the sport has gone to absolute !@#$, and I'm not going to be soft: your not caring is allowing this series to become more and more of a joke. Many of you are just as bad as the fan council!" I'm with murb on this one...what do you HONESTLY think we're going to be able to do to change the state of the sport? The number of fans who want to see bogus cautions, excitement around every turn and corner, and massive fights after the race outnumber people like you or I. The masses have spoken and NASCAR is going to listen to them rather than us because their numbers are greater than ours. It's not like I can just call up Brian France and curse him out for what this sport has become. Hell, even if I COULD do that, I'd probably just get ignored or hung up on. 611. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I just hope we don't have a situation where the champion is attacked by another driver in two weeks at Homestead." DEAR GOD, I hope not. I can only imagine the champion in the process being presented the championship trophy after the race...and another title contender mad at how the champion raced him that night comes out of nowhere and punches the hell out of him in anger, and ANOTHER massive fight ensues. I can totally picture that in my mind...and I really hope it doesn't happen. 612. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) What I'm saying is this: NASCAR has 2 kinds of fans. One is caught up in personalities, and the other is a racing purist who likes the closeness of oval racing and the rules that NASCAR offers. As the second kind, it is very aggravating. NASCAR doesn't just act stupid because Brian France, or any other reason.. They act stupid because they are tailoring the sport to the first kind of fan that I listed. Change isn't something which occurs just by saying it's out of your control. Change is brought on by a collection of people calling for it in a capitalist democracy such as this one. I'm trying to rally the dormant group of similarly minded fans to actually make a statement. Of course I cannot do it all on my own. There are plenty of people who agree with we still around this forum. There are thousands of others who are no longer with us, because they left a long time ago in disgust. I suppose they are the reason that IndyCar TV ratings and viewership almost doubled this year. 613. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I can't say that I'm mad at Keselowski. I really wish the all the cautions didn't fly at the end. Really want to see Jeff win one more championship. Today was a big hit....ugh. I have no problem with what Gordon did after either. He's a competitor. In the heat of the moment no driver is going to stop and think things through. Gordon has raced ppl clean almost all of his career and I can guarantee he wouldn't have body slammed Keselowski if the roles were reversed. Oh well, it's a racing incident. Life goes on, even for Jeff and Brad. No one is perfect. I'll be pulling hard for Gordon at Phoenix." This is among the more rational comments I've seen since the race ended, especially the part about "No one is perfect". Let's be reasonable here. 614. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The F1 race at Austin wasn't amazing by any stretch but that was at least watchable compared to this dreg." I thoroughly enjoy F1 and think it's an awesome series, but I'm getting really annoyed with people comparing Nascar and F1. It's apples and oranges. I always see "F1 is much more pure and there's no debris cautions" and all that. I'm not denying or saying that those opinions are wrong, but to compare F1 to a fully-fendered stock car series that primarily races on ovals seems utterly ridiculous to me. The only thing they have in common is that they are both motorsport series. 615. Mr X posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I actually don't think that Texas is that bad, sure todays race wasn't a thriller, but most races aren't. Until NASCAR redefined what debris was, I thought this was a good race, the type where drivers actually have to drive. The way the banking drops off and builds on the entrance and exits of corners causes a little bottlenecking IMO, but it's a worn out track with bumps and a little character. I feel this place is getting close to Atlanta in terms of on track racing. The worst part of todays race was the sanctioning body. Today's race definitely left a horrible taste in my mouth, even though one of the best cars won. Definitely glad nobody was able to lock in after all the bullshit in the second half. As far as Gordon vs Keselowski, honestly I'm a Gordon fan, but IMO Gordon came down on BK more then Brad went up. It was a racing deal, but if I was handing out blame, that was 60% Gordon. The real issue today regards how easily the tires were cut by contact, likely due to the razor blades positioned perfectly to do so. I have no comment for what Harvick did post race, other then I do find it interesting that a small shove from Harvick to Keselowski triggers a huge fight between the 2 and 24 teams. 616. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) https://twitter.com/tonydizinno/status/529070780982648832 Brad thinks he's already Dale Sr. AND Senna. Dude needs an asskicking already. 617. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Jeff Gordon should be sponsored by Pampers because he's proven without a shadow of a doubt that he's the biggest cry baby in NASCAR 618. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon actually finished 29th and had the most fastest laps with 68. It's a damn shame that Gordon is no longer greater than even Dale Jarrett now, with that pathetic November choke that he performed in this event. He obviously got scared and decided that he didn't want to win, so he purposely opened the hole and drove into Brad, to get a cut tire, so he could fall further down the Greatest Drivers list. I don't even think Gordon is even greater than Greg Sucks, now. And I didn't misspell Greg Sucks. 619. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) "Jeff Gordon should be sponsored by Pampers because he's proven without a shadow of a doubt that he's the biggest cry baby in NASCAR" Dude, the 1990s called...they want their lame ass Jeff Gordon clichés back. 620. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Change isn't something which occurs just by saying it's out of your control. Change is brought on by a collection of people calling for it in a capitalist democracy such as this one. I'm trying to rally the dormant group of similarly minded fans to actually make a statement. Of course I cannot do it all on my own. There are plenty of people who agree with we still around this forum. There are thousands of others who are no longer with us, because they left a long time ago in disgust. I suppose they are the reason that IndyCar TV ratings and viewership almost doubled this year." If we all just boycotted the sport in protest, NASCAR would just cater to the fans who love the crazy gimmicks by adding even MORE of them and making things even MORE wacky than they already are. I'm sorry if it pisses you off when I say this...but I REALLY doubt protesting the sport by boycotting it or something of the like is going to actually lead to NASCAR making positive changes... 621. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) pile of garbage see you next sunday for our weekly installment of WWF-NASCAR 622. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The only series that it would be fair to compare NASCAR to is ARCA. I prefer that ARCA officiated the Sprint Cup Series. F1 is completely different, but I'd rather F1 officiate NASCAR events as well :) IndyCar may make a small comparison with the oval races, and I find them to be the best racing of the year every single year. I leave every IndyCar race feeling better than I did before. 623. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jeff Gordon should be sponsored by Pampers because he's proven without a shadow of a doubt that he's the biggest cry baby in NASCAR" Last time I heard jokes like that, I kicked the slats out of my crib. 624. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Jeff Gordon should be sponsored by Pampers because he's proven without a shadow of a doubt that he's the biggest cry baby in NASCAR" Wouldn't it be more appropriate for him to be sponsored by Kleenex? You don't wipe tears away with diapers. 625. JeffGordonRocks111 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry to break this fight train, but Landon Cassill isn't in the Results. He started 34th. 626. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I actually don't think that Texas is that bad, sure todays race wasn't a thriller, but most races aren't." I agree 1000%. Until fans (new, old and casual) get it through their thick skulls, the entitlement complex will never go away. Texas isn't a bad track until Eddie Gossage gets a wild hair up his @$$ and screws it up. "Let's be reasonable here." Nope, it is much more fun too lose your mind then remain in reality. 627. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Brad thinks he's already Dale Sr. AND Senna. Dude needs an asskicking already." He said he's NOT Dale Sr. and Senna, just that he's inspired by them. 628. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) If you are literally defending this race then all I can suggest is that you get off the internet and try to get a high school diploma first before you argue anything else ever again. 629. Cooper posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Crimson King- Brad didn't say he was them, he said he was inspired by them. This Brad hate is spinning out of control and it is quite hilarious. All you are doing is helping his marketing value and making him bigger and better than he actually is. Lol 630. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If we all just boycotted the sport in protest, NASCAR would just cater to the fans who love the crazy gimmicks by adding even MORE of them and making things even MORE wacky than they already are. I'm sorry if it pisses you off when I say this...but I REALLY doubt protesting the sport by boycotting it or something of the like is going to actually lead to NASCAR making positive changes.." Don't boycott. Continue watching forums and commenting as I am. Vote with a TV clicker (watch on a laptop so your viewership doesn't count) and lack of race tickets and attendance. Join the council and tell them how you really feel and send them feedback on the things you don't like and do like. Get 100 people doing this constantly and it will be heard. Slowly of course. Change is slow. Look at Civil rights, look at women's rights. I'm doing the same against affirmative action. Make your voice heard. Only those people's voices count. It's almost impossible to anger me :) No worries. I like reading your comments and appreciate the constructive comment. 631. Cooper posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I will agree with you however that this race was a donkey fest. 632. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I was OK with this race until all the questionable debris cautions started popping up every few laps after the halfway point and then all that hogwash happened in the final 50 laps. The race went in my mind from being a dull, uneventful race that would at least have been over quick to a seemingly never-ending pile of slop, a strong contender for worst race of the year in my eyes. That's how I honestly feel about this one. I have no defense whatsoever for what I saw in the last half of this race... 633. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you are literally defending this race then all I can suggest is that you get off the internet and try to get a high school diploma first before you argue anything else ever again." I seriously have no respect for people like you. Why the hell can't you just let people for their own opinion and just live with it rather than turning to petty insults about people's education level. 634. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There was a car sponsored by Kleenex in the 90's and the diapers thing was calling Gordo a baby, I guess. Kyle Busch should be sponsored by Huggies. He's a baby, not Gordo. 635. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) Brad comitted the cardinal sin of racing Jeff. 636. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Gordon didn't restart in typical Gordon fashion then he never wouldn't have been in that position to start with. 637. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "The Crimson King- Brad didn't say he was them, he said he was inspired by them. This Brad hate is spinning out of control and it is quite hilarious. All you are doing is helping his marketing value and making him bigger and better than he actually is. Lol" Let's be honest, with Brad's inflated ego he probably thinks he's better than them combined. "I seriously have no respect for people like you. Why the hell can't you just let people for their own opinion and just live with it rather than turning to petty insults about people's education level." If someone told me that 2+2=5 I would tell them that they're a moron. This is no exception. It's called common sense. 638. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One other thing to say about this. No one seemed to notice how Jr and McMurray were not happy with eachother after this race. 639. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (4) (3) "Brad comitted the cardinal sin of racing Jeff." Unlike how any time someone passed Earnhardt cleanly they ended up in the fence because #3 was throwing such a hissy fit. 640. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I honestly hope that we don't see manipulation of the outcome at Phoenix and Homestead with insane restarts, which leads to rubbing that cuts tires easily, paybacks and brawls to end the season. The sanctioning body has created a Frankenstein monster with this hotshotting WWF Attitude Era Vince Russo BS that frankly helped bring WCW down. 641. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And for what its worth I also have no respect for you either. 642. Sponsor Updates posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #42- Target / Cottonelle #47- Clorox / Hungry Jack / Scott Products #66- Identity Ventures Racing #21- Motorcraft / Quick Lane Tire & Auto Center #40- Hillman Racing 643. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I will say this though: if you actually liked this race and enjoyed what you saw, that's fine and dandy with me; I'm not going to insult you if you liked that. I will just personally disagree with you; this race to me was so BAD that it honestly makes me, a total non-fan of alcohol, want to erase the memories of this race with a heavy amount of beer. You know what pisses me off the most? The fact that EDWARDS is honestly in a good position to potentially make it to the Final Four at Homestead. Edwards has been RIDICULOUSLY lucky thus far throughout the Chase, and it would really piss me off to see him make the Final Four when his overall performance totally isn't worthy of making it that far. He's honestly probably the LEAST deserving driver of the eight we still have left... 644. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "One other thing to say about this. No one seemed to notice how Jr and McMurray were not happy with eachother after this race." I saw that too. Before the brawl Jaime and Junior were "discussing the matter." 645. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""If you are literally defending this race then all I can suggest is that you get off the internet and try to get a high school diploma first before you argue anything else ever again." "I seriously have no respect for people like you. Why the hell can't you just let people for their own opinion and just live with it rather than turning to petty insults about people's education level" It was childish to insult somebody based on an opinion as this commenter did, but not allowing people to discuss their opinions is just as bad as not allowing them to have them. Allow people to argue their positions and try to reduce the insults. It is constructive for society to calmly and in a mature way discuss their beliefs. 646. luigistarted06 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My page doesn't show Cassill in 43rd 647. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF and Ben Lowe have beyond proven their immaturity tonight. They had nothing to say but childish insults, and they have been hogwashed. Defeated, they come back hurling the same childish insults. Yet in a twist of irony, they insult for the very things they praised their precious hero, Earnhardt, for. 648. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just want to throw this thought out there. Anyone think Jeff's tire wouldn't have been cut if the teams weren't pulling out the sides of the cars? 649. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If someone told me that 2+2=5 I would tell them that they're a moron. This is no exception." Completely nonsensical comparison. Mathematics isn't subjective, dude. If you ask someone "What's the answer to 2+2" there is ONE and only ONE correct answer. Whether or not a race was a good race is the very definition of subjective. If someone asks "How was the race?" there could be millions of different answers and all of them would be equally correct. Why do you have a problem with people forming their own opinions? Different people like different things and the not everybody thinks the same way. 650. Kevin posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The sanctioning body has created a Frankenstein monster with this hotshotting WWF Attitude Era Vince Russo BS that frankly helped bring WCW down." Funniest thing I've read all day, thank you for that laughed so hard. 651. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In an academic setting, if you make a claim that is stupid, you WILL be called an idiot. No discussion, no chance to make your point, nothing. You will be dismissed and that will be that. Same thing applies here. 652. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "NASCAR has 2 kinds of fans. One is caught up in personalities, and the other is a racing purist who likes the closeness of oval racing and the rules that NASCAR offers." I can agree with that, but I really hate how you just lumped everyone else on here together as "soap opera fans". That seems pretty insulting and condescending to me. Look, I've been watching Nascar since I was three or four years old (1998 was the first year I started watching). I totally prefer that era to this era for a variety of reasons (better championship system, more teams capable of winning, more likable drivers, etc), but just because I prefer that era doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here and say that this era is a "joke" and that it's turned into WWF on wheels or something. In my opinion, this year we have seen some of the best and most intense racing we've seen in quite a number of years. Yes, the new title format has it's flaws, and the people currently in the scoring tower are sometimes incompetent beyond belief. But because of the intensity we are seeing, as well as some of the young drivers we have coming through the pipeline (Kyle Larson, Bubba Wallace, Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliott, etc - all of whom I think are gonna be major breaths of fresh air once they either continue to improve in Cup or actually get to Cup), I absolutely refuse to agree with the "Nascar is dying" crowd. If anything, I think this sport is about to have a major resurgence again, at least within its own group of fans (I'm not talking about mainstream or anything like that - I realize that the new cable TV deals will probably drop ratings and that type of thing down). I totally understand that all the "purists" have major gripes, but for all the "purists" out there and the people yearning for it to be the early 90s again, consider this: Think about how the WORLD has changed since the Golden Age of Winston Cup. Not the motorsports world, not the sports world, THE WORLD. With the world the way it is now (what with social media, bizarre economic times, etc), in my opinion, it's absolutely naive to think that something like Nascar can be run the same way as it was in the early 90s. Yes, they absolutely can do a better and more consistent job with rulings and not throwing dumb cautions and whatnot. But there's no returning to that Golden Era. What we have is what we have. Yeah, we have some incompetent people in the scoring tower, a bizarre championship format that is gonna take some major getting used to, and the owner of the sport seems to be a borderline crazed alcoholic nimwit, but look at what else we have: We have intense racing almost every week now it seems (today was kind of a dud since Texas has always sucked ass, but I think all of the pit strategy compensated just fine for the lack of on track passing), and we have a TON of interesting, seemingly humble, but also extremely passionate young drivers coming through the pipeline. I think those positives HIGHLY outweigh the current negatives we have. So for those that can't handle this current growing pain period we are in, then sorry, I don't know what to tell you. If you're too "pure" to watch this "joke", then maybe don't watch it and don't try and condescend yourself on the people who do want to experience it. 653. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) At this point, I hope Edwards wins it all on sheer luck, just to prove what a face of a system this is. 654. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will say one thing that might be somewhat encouraging to Gordon fans...this continues his trend thus far in the Chase of following up a top-2 finish with a finish outside the top 10. So if that trend continues, that means he'll follow up this disastrous finish with at least a 2nd at Phoenix... ...and then promptly finish outside the top 10 at Homestead and have no shot at the title (if he even gets the chance, supposing he doesn't get penalized for his postrace conduct during the week and basically gets eliminated as a result). On second hand, maybe that WASN'T so encouraging... 655. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "Unlike how any time someone passed Earnhardt cleanly they ended up in the fence because #3 was throwing such a hissy fit." I Think you meant the 24 at Phoenix 2 years ago... well at least the hissy fit part that is 656. Dylan posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did ESPN apologize for Jeff Gordon's language? This fight did remind me of Bristol in 2002 involving Kevin Harvick and Greg Biffle. 657. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Overall the 2014 Chase has been an honorable mention for best impression of 2000 WCW... but David Arquette "winning" the WCW World Title is hard to top. 658. joey2448 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) It's easy to knock Brad right now because everyone wants to fight him, but hear this: Brad had to make that move. He was over 20 points behind the cutoff heading into this race, he needed to win it. Unfortunately it cut down Gordon's tire and cost him a lot of points, but he made a ballsy move that almost worked out. In fact, Brad had the race won on the final restart, as he was able to stay alongside Jimmie heading down into turns 1 and 2, and looked like he would've been alongside Jimmie heading off turn 4 to take the white flag, but the move that lost the race for Kez and gave Jimmie the win was Harvick getting on Brad's rear bumper in turns 3 and 4 as the three of them raced to the white flag. That loosened the 2 up a bit and allowed JJ to pull away. Bottom line, Brad drove exactly the way we want our drivers to race at the end. He was racing for the win, and unfortunately it cost Gordon big time. I am a massive Gordon fan, y'all know that, and even I'm not blaming Kez. I absolutely feel sick about what happened to ol' Gordon and that the 24 is straddling the cutoff line heading into Phoenix when he could've been comfortably ahead, but the cards were dealt. Now, I'm nervous for Gordon since he let out "dipshit" on live TV, so he might be penalized for that, which would put him in real jeopardy of missing the cut at Homestead. But I also didn't like the way he acted on pit road. Now, I enjoy watching a good fight between hungry drivers at the end of a race. Gordon initially handled everything fine, walking up to Brad after getting out of his car and trying to talk to him in a civilized manner. But reaching out and grabbing Brad by the collar? That wasn't so smart. At the end of the day, it's racing. Shit happens, and by golly, tempers get heated. 659. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "In an academic setting, if you make a claim that is stupid, you WILL be called an idiot. No discussion, no chance to make your point, nothing. You will be dismissed and that will be that." Really??? Because I take a political science at a somewhat well known research university where we have discussions every week about certain issues. Take, for example, gun control. There are some people in the class who think you shouldn't be allowed to own any guns, people who think you should be allowed to own whatever kind of gun you want, and then all sorts of opinions that fall somewhere between the two extremes. Guess how many people have been called stupid for voicing their opinions? Not a single one. Opinions, by definition, CANNOT be wrong. 660. Cornys posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I would disagree with you Murb on the future, I think IndyCar will have a resurgence in the racing community, and I think NASCAR will be stuck where it is or in slow decline. The economy is inclined to favor more intelligent people with more complex jobs. These people are more likely to be purists and attend races of that series than NASCAR. I love NASCAR's concept (stock car racing) and I want that to be successful over the less exciting open wheel series', but as it is going now NASCAR is diversifying too much towards the traditional lower crowd and is going to miss this shift in demographics. I do agree on upcoming drivers (I like most if not all of them personally), but there's bigger problems at stake I'm afraid. 661. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "and the owner of the sport seems to be a borderline crazed alcoholic nimwit," I don't like Brian either Murb but i think we need to draw the line with his personal issues. Alcoholism is nothing too make fun of someone for. As someone who knows people personally close too me with problems with drinking. It isn't fun too watch someone destory themself. You can call Brian a nimwit all you want (and i fully agree) but there is a line that any of us shouldn't cross. 662. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "I Think you meant the 24 at Phoenix 2 years ago... well at least the hissy fit part that is" Apparently you can't read. Eanrhardt was the original candy ass cry baby. He drove this sport into the sand becauae NASCAR was so desperate at that time to have a big superstar, and they instead force fed the fans and future drivers an womanizing alcoholic who had the maturity of a 6-year old. 663. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I highly doubt they'll penalize Gordon points for "dipshit". They'll probably just fine him (but even that is kind of a stretch - I remember Brian Pattie said "shit" in his interview when the Phoenix 2012 deal happened, and I don't recall him being fined or anything for that). 664. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Really??? Because I take a political science at a somewhat well known research university where we have discussions every week about certain issues. Take, for example, gun control. There are some people in the class who think you shouldn't be allowed to own any guns, people who think you should be allowed to own whatever kind of gun you want, and then all sorts of opinions that fall somewhere between the two extremes. Guess how many people have been called stupid for voicing their opinions? Not a single one. Opinions, by definition, CANNOT be wrong." I'll say your example is the exception to the rule that proves the rule. It certainly isn't the case for me. I take Philosophy and if you try to say something like "Camus was an existentialist" you WILL be ridiculed and you WILL be made out to be an idiot. You don't get a chance to argue either. "You can call Brian a nimwit all you want (and i fully agree) but there is a line that any of us shouldn't cross." I've made fun of people for things worse than that, but I also have crippling asshole syndrome. 665. Dylan posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All I can say about the fight on pit road is shit happens. 666. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If Gordon DOES get penalized, I'd imagine that it would be for swearing on live TV, if anything. Which is pretty ridiculous if you think about it...it would say a LOT about NASCAR's priorities. The thought that cursing is actually worse than fighting and trying to beat the shit out of each other after a race is just asinine to my mind... 667. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wasn't making fun of France for alcoholism, Subaru (believe me, I've seen plenty of stupid things in my lifetime related to alcohol - it is nothing to joke about). I was merely just stating a pretty well known fact that France has had alcohol problems before. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but maybe it is something that is seriously affecting some of the weird rulings we've seen over the past couple of years. That's all I was getting at. I didn't mean for anyone to take that as a joke. 668. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) "Apparently you can't read. Eanrhardt was the original candy ass cry baby. He drove this sport into the sand becauae NASCAR was so desperate at that time to have a big superstar, and they instead force fed the fans and future drivers an womanizing alcoholic who had the maturity of a 6-year old." Think what you want, but i never remember Dale basically running 2 laps under race speed while under green looking to dump a driver like Jeff did that day... 669. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'll say your example is the exception to the rule that proves the rule. It certainly isn't the case for me. I take Philosophy and if you try to say something like "Camus was an existentialist" you WILL be ridiculed and you WILL be made out to be an idiot. You don't get a chance to argue either." That's because Camus either was an existentialist or he wasn't...There's a correct, objective answer to the question. There isn't, however, a right answer to whether or not this was a good race. It's subjective. It depends on the person you ask and his or her tastes. But I'm done discussing it with you because obviously you're just not getting it. 670. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Few more sponsor update #4 Budweiser/Kurt Busch 500th Start #95 TWD/Thrivent Financial #17 EcoPower Refined Oil (Same for all the races with EcoPower Oil) #7 Cypress HQ / Pilot 671. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wasn't making fun of France for alcoholism, Subaru (believe me, I've seen plenty of stupid things in my lifetime related to alcohol - it is nothing to joke about). I was merely just stating a pretty well known fact that France has had alcohol problems before. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but maybe it is something that is seriously affecting some of the weird rulings we've seen over the past couple of years. That's all I was getting at. I didn't mean for anyone to take that as a joke." We are cool Murb. 672. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, this is actually a thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_%28philosophy%29 For a lot of people, opinions CAN be wrong, especially if you take the idea that reality is independent of the nature of one's interpretation of it. 673. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (5) (4) "Think what you want, but i never remember Dale basically running 2 laps under race speed while under green looking to dump a driver like Jeff did that day..." Nah, instead he rode back causing big ones in the 01 500 until he literally killed himself. He turned DW for NO REASON in 86 and caused Richmond to be torn down 2 years later. He had to get escorted from tracks because he'd recklessly destroy so many cars that the other drivers wanted to gang up on him. He brutally injured Sterling Marlin, dumping him for no rxpicable reason and causing Marlin to get second-degree burns. He deliberately ran the competition of the track in the 1987 Winston because he couldn't win fair and square. And then when confronted he hid like a coward, afraid to do more than speak behind a microphone. Unlike Gordon, Eanrhardt was too scared to face his enemies. 674. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So anyway, with virtually everyone having a shot at the Final Four now, it looks like basically the best four at Phoenix will make it in. So I guess right now I'll predict Logano, Harvick, Gordon, and Kenseth. But I don't know. I'll probably change my mind like four or five more times before Phoenix, so that might not be my final prediction. 675. The Crimson King posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) As far as making fun of people with disabilities goes, I'm bipolar myself and if someone wants to take a shot at bipolar disorder, be my guest. It wouldn't offend me at all. Hell, I find jokes about mental illness to be funny, tbh 676. MAR posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The only that can save nascar is if big bill france came back from the dead. Brian France has damn near ran nascar into the ground i started watching nascar in 98 when nascar was at its peak in popularity and competition it was hard core racing by hardcore drivers now its a money driven corporation that started declining around 2007 mostly cause of the high cost and retarted looking c.o.t cars i mean its impossible for a single car team to even qualify in the top 30 in the cup series in the nationwide series that died in 2006 when Kevin Harvick ruined the series back in the day greg pollex a busch series owner could win races have sponsorship and win championships he was the last real nationwide owner to win a championship that was in 2000 fastforward to today turner motorsports is the only team in the top 10 in nationwide points that doesn't participate in the cup series. Only half the field can actually competed on a competitive basis. As for the truck series when craftsman left that series went down the drain. 677. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What about a empirical positivist philosopher named Canis? (Yes, I am shittin' y'both.) 678. BON GORDON posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BOYS HAVE AT IT. That's all I have to say. The response from the fans and media is similar to Phoenix in 2012. Nothing should happen as far as penalties are concerned. NASCAR gets what they want from gwc finishes, this chase format, etc. I'm honestly not mad at Brad Keselowski. He did what he felt needed to be done. Gordon still has a right to be mad. He's only human. This is for a CHAMPIONSHIP for goodness sake. Everyone needs to cool it. Life goes on. 679. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Ryan Newman threw NASCAR under the big yellow truck in his post race comments on Fox Sports 1's NASCAR Victory Lane arguing there was no reason to throw debris cautions and it was just to bunch up the field. 680. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As far as making fun of people with disabilities goes, I'm bipolar myself and if someone wants to take a shot at bipolar disorder, be my guest. It wouldn't offend me at all. Hell, I find jokes about mental illness to be funny, tbh" Go ahead. I make jokes about mental illness, necrology, diabetes, and cancer, and I have been too close to all of those for comfort. 681. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, that's right. The empirical positivist philosopher Canis died after he barked up the wrong tree. 682. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As for who will be in the final four...I have no idea, since now virtually everyone has a shot at making it in on at least points (I'm sure that's what NASCAR wants, too...). If I had to guess, I'd guess that Hamlin, Logano, Newman and Gordon (ironically, the four who would advance right now) would be the ones to advance, but that could EASILY be wrong as any crazy thing might happen at Phoenix. Hell, for all I know, Gordon might go out for revenge against Keselowski at Phoenix, wreck both of them, and take numerous other Chasers out in the process, leading to the wackiest Final Four imaginable. (I hope he DOESN'T do that and just focuses on racing and trying to get in, but that COULD happen...) So really, I haven't got a clue! 683. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "but as it is going now NASCAR is diversifying too much towards the traditional lower crowd and is going to miss this shift in demographics." I actually agree with that, but on your overall point about Nascar popularity or whatever taking a nosedive, I disagree. In the long run, situations like Kenseth/Keselowski at Charlotte and now Gordon/Keselowski here at Texas are only going to bring more people in. I'll take the Nascar Reddit page for example. It seems like every time I check over there now there's always people posting threads like "New to Nascar, been seeing some highlights in recent weeks that made me curious" and things like that. So I actually think the sport is growing (not a lot, but steadily) as we speak. I think the demographics thing will probably continue to be an issue (but to be honest, are other series like IndyCar and F1 really doing amazing in that department either?), but I just think this overall intensity we're seeing (along with some of the new drivers coming up, like I mentioned before) are really gonna breath some new life back into Nascar. I don't think it will be wildly popular and that we are gonna enter a new "Golden Age" or anything, but I do think before long there's gonna be a lot of people saying "This Nascar thing looks kind of interesting". 684. cjs3872 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Why is anyone surprised at what happened between Brad Keselowski and Jeff Gordon? I said three weeks ago there were going to be problems between those two, simply based on Gordon's reaction after the goings on in the post-race aftermath of the race at Charlotte, and the sharp comments he made in Keselowski's direction then. And Keselowski is not the kind to let those kind of comments go by without a response, so what happened at the end of the race was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. Keselowski slamming into Gordon on that restart was absolutely intentional, partially because he was trying to eat into that point deficit, and partially to show his displeasure over the comments Gordon made toward Keselowski after the race at Charlotte, and to make him pay the highest punishment possible. So that contact was absolutely intentional. And I think what happened between Harvick and Keselowski afterwards was equally as intentional, because Harvick had a bird's eye view for that contact, and he knew it was intentional, and Harvick's always been the kind of guy that would go after someone if he thinks sometinhg unfair had happened to a teammate (remember how Harvick backed up Clint Bowyer when they were teammates in 2010), and Gordon's a quasi-teammate of Harvick, since they're in the same equipment, so I think Harvick was, in a sense, backing up Gordon, because he clearly tried to wreck Keselowski as they came to the white flag. That's as clear as day. The real puzzler about what happened after the race was, why was Kasey Kahne's crew there in the middle of all that? I know Brad and Kasey had a minor dust-up in turn three during the earlier stages of the race, but nothing really came out of that, and it was hard racing, nothing intentional between the 2 and 5 cars in that one. But I must also say that I saw nothing to say that, other than the intent of the contact between him and the Gordon, Brad was seriously out of line, because he wasn't in that on-track incident, and he was the intended victim of the part where Harvick got involved. Even so, Brad's messing with the wrong people. At Charlotte, he got Denny Hamlin, Matt Kenseth, and Tony Stewart on his enemies list, as well as Jeff Gordon, who's animosity toward Keselowski wasn't as open until that night. Now he's got all of Hendrick Motorsports, and that includes all of Stewart-Haas Racing, on his enemies list, and since HMS and SHR each have only one driver in the Chase, if I was Brad, I'd look out for the other drivers from those teams, meaning that someone like Dale, Jr., Stewart, Kurt Busch, Kahne, and Jimmie Johnson may be drivers that Keselowski may need to beware of at Phoenix (I doubt Danica would, or could give him any problems), and if he makes the final cut, Homestead. And by the way, with Jimmie Johnson's win (and who would have ever thought Jimmie would be overshadowed in a race he won) means that at least three drivers will make the final cut based on points, and the only one of the favorites going into this round that looks good at this point is Joey Logano. Given the fact that at least three are now going to make it to the last race with a shot at the title via points, Logano, Denny Hamlin, his biggest rival, and Ryan Newman all look to be in reasonably good shape, as each of them is more than 10 points ahead of fourth (Gordon), and the driver in fourth may likely change during the week, because I suspect big penalties may be handed out after the post-race fiasco after this race. Logano, Hamlin, and Newman are, by no means, safe, but they sit in a great position. And now, I wouldn't count out Carl Edwards, given his track record at Phoenix. What happened at the end of this race changed the entire complexion of the championship, and now literally anyone among the eight can get in, even on points, barring potentially big penalties from the post-race fracas. 685. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) "Nah, instead he rode back causing big ones in the 01 500 until he literally killed himself." Pretty Sure Robby Gordon Caused the only big one that race when he turned Tony "He turned DW for NO REASON in 86 and caused Richmond to be torn down 2 years later." I'll be the first to admit that wreck was over the top. That being said They were racing for the win late in the race, Which is far different from what Jeff did to Bowyer. "He had to get escorted from tracks because he'd recklessly destroy so many cars that the other drivers wanted to gang up on him." Dont act like he's the only one. I'm pretty sure Kyle needed the whole Richmond police force to escort him out of the track after he spun Jr. out in 08 lol. "He brutally injured Sterling Marlin, dumping him for no rxpicable reason and causing Marlin to get second-degree burns." Honestly don't know what you're talking about. feel free to send a link if there's any footage of it "He deliberately ran the competition of the track in the 1987 Winston because he couldn't win fair and square." IT'S THE WINSTON!!!! And who were the guys he "ran off" the track Bodine and Elliott. You know damn well those guys weren't real friendly with each other. factor in no points and 200k in cash and that stuff is gonna happen, especially back then. 686. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "so I think Harvick was, in a sense, backing up Gordon" That's not what happened at all. Harvick was just trying to instigate a fight, just like he's been doing his whole career. 687. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fixed lol #4 Budweiser/Kevin Harvick 500th Start 688. Hinch77 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Thanks for playing BMan. You had no arguments to return with. You sweep everything under the rug. You justifybhim wrecking people with "Well they didn't like him." Neither did Jesus Christ! I am sure E didn't repent of unnecessarily flipping off Kurt Busch before he died. Point is, he couldn't win fair and square. The Sterling incident was at Bristol one year. Also adding to the evidence... 1995 and 1999 Bristol incidents with Terry, both of which were completely uncalled for. In one case, he did it cause he knew he lost, and the second without cause when he was fsst enough to make a clean pass. 689. irony posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) I'd really like to know what "big ones" Dale Sr caused at the 01 Daytona 500? 690. David posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh, that's right. The empirical positivist philosopher Canis died after he barked up the wrong tree." Not to be confused with Cannabis, who went through life just saying "Itsss allllll cooolll, brah". 691. race fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Who pushes somebody from behind and then runs away they should suspend Harvick for being a sissy he's nothing but a big bald baby . Also isn't the point to try and win a race brad wrecked gordon trying to win .gordon wrecked clint on I purpose at Phoenix and cost him a championship. 692. race fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Who pushes somebody from behind and then runs away they should suspend Harvick for being a sissy he's nothing but a big bald baby . Also isn't the point to try and win a race brad wrecked gordon trying to win .gordon wrecked clint on I purpose at Phoenix and cost him a championship. 693. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) Don't forget that Dale E was pennalized multiple times in the 1995 event for wrecking multiple drivers then just Terry and Rusty in that event. And while not on the exact same page, Dale E mindlessly stayed out on track and caused a life-threatening situation in the 1983 Busch Clash, even after being shown the black flag. Then you start thinking of all the other little incidents that he's done that ended up getting 'swept under' the rug of history in light of bigger things in the races, and you see he wasn't the 'god' every Dale Sr fans wants to think he is. 694. Mr X posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "692. race fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who pushes somebody from behind and then runs away they should suspend Harvick for being a sissy he's nothing but a big bald baby . Also isn't the point to try and win a race brad wrecked gordon trying to win .gordon wrecked clint on I purpose at Phoenix and cost him a championship." Jeff didn't hurt Clint's title hopes at all, entering Phoenix the highest Clint could've possibly finished in points was 2nd. Because of Johnson's troubles at Phoenix and Homestead, Clint finished 2nd in points. 695. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Kinda sad when Timmy Hill beats you. #danica 696. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Thanks for playing BMan. You had no arguments to return with. You sweep everything under the rug. You justifybhim wrecking people with "Well they didn't like him." Neither did Jesus Christ! I am sure E didn't repent of unnecessarily flipping off Kurt Busch before he died. Point is, he couldn't win fair and square. The Sterling incident was at Bristol one year. Also adding to the evidence... 1995 and 1999 Bristol incidents with Terry, both of which were completely uncalled for. In one case, he did it cause he knew he lost, and the second without cause when he was fsst enough to make a clean pass." It doesn't matter what i say your opinion of him wont change. The fact that you were saying he caused the big one in the 01 500 shows that. I also just want to point out i never said Dale was the cleanest driver. All i said he never threw a hissy fit as you put it like Jeff did at Phoenix 2 years ago. Bumping people out of the way and sometimes causing an accident is 100% different than purposely running laps well of the race pace looking for a driver to dump. 697. Thomas posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Do I understand Gordon's frustration? Yes. Do I think he'll wake up tomorrow after having time to cool off and regret his behavior after the race? I think there's a good chance of that too. Any driver worth their salt tries to put their car in that hole like Keselowski did. Both of them were going for a win and a championship. Emotions are bound to run high. The contact was a racing deal, just with unfortunate results for Gordon (a similar thing happened with him and Jr. a couple of years ago during the Chase where Jr.'s tailpipe cut down one of Gordon's rear tires putting Gordon in the wall). Gordon probably hadn't seen a replay of the incident before he went to "talk" with Keselowski on pit road to realize that. If I had to guess, what I would expect to happen on Tuesday is: Gordon: fine, probation, and small points reduction (the last for swearing on live TV--Jr. lost the points lead late in the season about 10 years ago after a win at Talladega for the same violation) Harvick: probation, maybe a small fine for instigating the fight by pushing Keselowski on pit road--without Harvick's push I don't think punches are thrown Keselowski: nothing, as the on-track incident was hard racing and he was de-briefing with his crew outside his car before Gordon and Harvick instigated the trouble on pit road--the relevant example is what happened with Rowdy after the Truck race a couple of years ago when Richard Childress took off his wrist watch and went after Rowdy while Rowdy was already on probation 698. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (8) (9) Hey cjs, are you sure Chad Knaus didn't arrange for the contact to take Gordon out so JJ could win >_> Seriously dude, you are pathetic. Slammed him on purpose? That's called racing. He made it 3 wide trying to win. If more people raced for the win like that, the stands wouldn't be half empty. You Gordon fanboys are just like Jeffy Boy. It's all good when he is rubbing fenders, but if Jeff gets touched, then that is just uncalled for. Karma is a bitch. That is why The Drive For Five is on year 13. Jeff Gordon and Fall Collapse go together like Dale Earnhardt and championships. 699. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gordon: fine, probation, and small points reduction (the last for swearing on live TV--Jr. lost the points lead late in the season about 10 years ago after a win at Talladega for the same violation)" I think he might miss out on the point penalty. Ryan Blaney dropped some swears on TV after he wrecked out of the truck race at Kansas this year and i'm pretty sure he didn't get docked anything. Plus I think NASCAR knows if they do that to Jeff and he misses the cut because of the points penalty, well lets just say they won't be having a fun next few days lol. 700. cjs3872 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) That wouldn't be the first time Newman's made such comments publicly, Jarrett88fan. He did so several years ago and got penalized for that in secret. Denny Hamlin has also made comments about the integrity of the officiating, and got hammered by NASCAR for it. However, most of the debris cautions were legitimate, because a number of cars had pieces fall of them, even before the wrecks started. One caution was for the grill piece from Carl Edwards' car falling off, another was for the carcass from Kyle Busch's right rear tire, so there was debris on the track on numerous occasions in this race. In fact, for some mysterious reason, there was a piece of debris lying near the entrance to turn one in a place where it could very easily have been hit, and NASCAR actually waited for half a lap to throw what should have been an obvious caution. The problem here isn't the debris cautions, because a number of them were absolutely warranted, but rather the consistency in throwing them. That's why I constantly criticize the ability of the guys currently in charge of running the race, because they're inconsistent, at best. 701. Talk4Tar posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "By being a racing driver you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win. And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it's not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win as long as I feel it's possible. Sometimes you get it wrong? Sure, it's impossible to get it right all the time. But I race designed to win, as long as I feel I'm doing it right." Says all the needs to be said about the finish to the race tonight. Thanks Senna. 702. race fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr x you must be a Gordon fan my point is brad did nothing worse than what gordon has dones before 703. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The inconsistency in throwing the cautions for debris is what I interpret Newman's criticism is centered around. 704. The Sound posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Jeff Gordon and Fall Collapse go together like Dale Earnhardt and championships." Considering he was 3 laps away from winning this race and punching his ticket to Homestead? I simply cannot argue with your evidence! 705. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (14) Cjs, you give these long rambling posts about incomprehensible conspiracies (Brad hitting Gordon for Jeff criticizing him after Charlotte? Everyone criticizes Brad. How about there were only a few laps left and he was going for the win?). I have always wondered why you moved from San Diego, the most beautiful city in America with simply splendid weather to the crime riddled, polluted, freezing cold shithole of Baltimore. I think you are on the run. What did you do? Con innocent people with a ponzi scheme? Or worse? Sure are a lot of unsolved homicides in California. Hmmmmm. 706. cjs3872 posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, I think we all know that Brad Keselowski was none too happy with the reaction and comments Gordon made following the race at Charlotte that were directed at him, and he wanted to make his point clear in a way that would hurt him the most, although I think everyone knows he didn't mean to cut Gordon's tire. The contact was intentional, but not the immediate aftermath. However, the one thing that gets overlooked here was that Gordon has only himself to blame for putting himself in that position. If he takes the restart on the inside, instead of the outside, Brad never has a chance to take a swipe at him, and none of what happened after the race would have taken place. However, what ended up happening may haunt Keselowski for quite some time because of all the enemies he's making. You can bet that Denny Hamlin and Matt Kenseth were just about as pleased that Gordon was taking out his frustrations on Keselowski as much as Gordon enjoyed it when it was the other way around three weeks ago, and the Gibbs drivers were taking out their frustrations on Keselowski. And BMan0213, you forget that Dale, Sr. also ran Terry Labonte practically off the track in the 1987 Winston after the incident with Elliott (what happened with Bodine was not Earnhardt's fault). The difference was that Labonte was willing to back off and take second place, while the others were not, even though Labonte was literally all the way alongside Earnhardt when he got pushed off the track. And murb, when I said that Harvick was backing up Gordon, I wasn't referring to what happened on pit road after the race, but rather what happened on the track after the final restart, because Harvick was deliberately trying to wreck Keselowski, and I think that was because of the incident Keselowski had with Gordon, which Harvick had a better view of than anyone else. What happened after the race was a result of animosity that Gordon had toward Keselowski that had been building for longer than anyone realized exploding in an instant, but that's apparently been there for quite some time, perhaps years. 707. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (10) "Considering he was 3 laps away from winning this race and punching his ticket to Homestead? I simply cannot argue with your evidence!" Exactly. This guy gets it. Everyone knows restarts are madness. He just had to avoid spinning his tires in such a clutch spot (whoops) and watch for people making bold, 1999 Daytona 500 winning type moves (Rusty was smart enough to move up), then use his superior car to win. 708. Kevin posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The person who will get the biggest penalty in the incident will be Jeremy Fuller, Kasey Kahne's right rear tire changer. He was the guy who was blindly throwing punches in the melee. 709. Mr X posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "702. race fan posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr x you must be a Gordon fan my point is brad did nothing worse than what gordon has dones before" I am, and I was just correcting what you said about Gordon costing Bowyer anything in the final points standings, which he didn't, although that really isn't an excuse. Like I said earlier, I give Gordon most of the blame for what happened to him today. "700. cjs3872 posted: 11.02.2014 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) That wouldn't be the first time Newman's made such comments publicly, Jarrett88fan. He did so several years ago and got penalized for that in secret. Denny Hamlin has also made comments about the integrity of the officiating, and got hammered by NASCAR for it. However, most of the debris cautions were legitimate, because a number of cars had pieces fall of them, even before the wrecks started. One caution was for the grill piece from Carl Edwards' car falling off, another was for the carcass from Kyle Busch's right rear tire, so there was debris on the track on numerous occasions in this race. In fact, for some mysterious reason, there was a piece of debris lying near the entrance to turn one in a place where it could very easily have been hit, and NASCAR actually waited for half a lap to throw what should have been an obvious caution. The problem here isn't the debris cautions, because a number of them were absolutely warranted, but rather the consistency in throwing them. That's why I constantly criticize the ability of the guys currently in charge of running the race, because they're inconsistent, at best." I agree that some of the debris cautions were legit, but for there to be seven debris cautions to start a race is ridiculous, 5 of them were within an 80 lap span. Something doesn't add up when the number of consecutive debris cautions outnumber the number of cars who had had incidents, none of which were particularly major. I get that the caution for Kyle Busch's tire was legit, as was the caution for Edwards decorative Ford grille,(how many cautions have these things caused?). Certainly 2 or 3 were legit but that's not "most" of them. For one of those cautions ESPN went to a replay of Kenseth being passed by Harvick after Harvick used Kenseth to clean his grille. A small piece of rubber was hit by or flew out of Kenseth's car, either way this small piece was right near the wall of turn 4, and this replay that ESPN played used footage that was captured 5-10 laps before the yellow waved. Newman is right in this case, I wish more people would voice a similar opinion. 710. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (6) (14) Gordon enjoyed taking his frustrations out? He wound up with a swollen nose and busted lip and a very angry interview while Brad was cool as a cucumber in his interview with two small cuts on his large forehead and large lips. Brad looked like Cool Hand Luke, and Jeff looked like a whiny bitch that just got his face busted. When you look that bad after tangling with Brad "Butthead" Keselowski, you have had a bad night. And again, that was clearly just a racing deal. I hate me some Brad, but he is in the clear on that one. That was good hard racing. 711. Kevin posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'm also no Brad fan, but he was trying to win the race. He saw a hole and a chance to win and advance so he went for it. It's unfortunate that "rubbin is racin" has become "my flared out side skirt will cut down your tire if we make contact" if you're Jeff. 712. murb posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just watched the fight again. Kahne's crew members getting involved and throwing punches is what pisses me off the most. I hope they get hammered big time with fines and suspensions. I don't care if the #24 is their teammate, it's uncalled for for them to be over there just beating the shit out of people in an incident that didn't involve them whatsoever. 713. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (10) DaleSrFanForever, karma kind of got Earnhardt Sr at the end of the day too huh??? Shut your mouth, idiot. Earnhardt was a whiney bi**h too when things didn't go his way. 714. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2014 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "DaleSrFanForever, karma kind of got Earnhardt Sr at the end of the day too huh??? Shut your mouth, idiot. Earnhardt was a whiney bi**h too when things didn't go his way." While I agree with some people that Earnhardt was no saint on the track and did some pretty disgusting things out on the track (and I too find it ironic that some people lambaste Gordon for his actions, yet praise Dale for his when their careers both have quite a fair bit in common with each other...in more ways than one), poking fun at the man's death or saying his death was karma for his actions on the track is going WAY out of line. I don't care how you feel about Dale Sr., to even suggest and imply the man's death was well-deserved or justice sickens and disgusts me to no end. 715. cjs3872 posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) No DSFF, I said that Denny Hamlin and Matt Kenseth, who had major issues with Keselowski after the Charlotte race, were probably as pleased that Gordon took out his frustrations on Keselowski after this race as Gordon clearly was that Kenseth and Hamlin took their his frustrations on Keselowski after the Charlotte race. When a driver voices his opinion on an incident he was not involved with at all, as Gordon did at Charlotte, you know that he also has issues with the driver that triggered everything, who in this case was Brad Keselowski, and that built-up animosity exploded like a fireball after this race, and given their recent history with Brad, Kenseth and Hamlin probably enjoyed Gordon (and Kevin Harvick) going after him, because there's no love lost between Keselowski and any of the Joe Gibbs drivers, including Kyle Busch, who has not been a part of any of this. And murb, you hit the nail on the head. If the 2 and 24 crews want to tear each other apart after that incident, that's one thing, but a team not involved in that situation should not have any involvement in the fracas. But then again, we must remember that Kasey Kahne also had a dust-up with Brad in the middle stages of the race, and although nothing significant came from it, there might have been some hostilities from the #5 team to the #2 team from that minor incident, and some of what happened between Brad and Kasey might also have spilled over in that post-race fiasco, which may have been why Kasey's team was also in the middle of that. 716. WinstonCupStandings posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Top 10 1) Jeff Gordon (4795) -Leader 2) Joey Logano (4695) -100 3) Brad Keselowski (4561) -234 4) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (4538) -257 5) Kevin Harvick (4492) -303 -Out 6) Matt Kenseth (4394) -401 -Out 7) Ryan Newman (4321) -474 -Out 8) Jimmie Johnson (4299) -496 -Out 9) Kyle Larson (4234) -561 -Out 10) Carl Edwards (4205) -590 -Out 717. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) How is what happened to Dale "karma"? That was just a racing deal. 718. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2012: Jeff Gordon gets into an altercation with a former RCR driver during a Chase race, RR boards explode into argument. 2014: Jeff Gordon gets into an altercation with a former RCR driver during a Chase race, RR boards explode into argument. Coincidence? 719. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) "DSFF and Ben Lowe have beyond proven their immaturity tonight. They had nothing to say but childish insults, and they have been hogwashed. Defeated, they come back hurling the same childish insults. Yet in a twist of irony, they insult for the very things they praised their precious hero, Earnhardt, for." Didn't DSFF say he wasn't gonna watch a single race this season in the Daytona thread? 720. cjs3872 posted: 11.02.2014 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Huh, The Long Shot? Jeff Gordon wasn't in an altercation with Kevin Harvick in this one. Harvick simply pushed Brad Keselowski into Gordon after the race, starting what happened afterwards. Harvick said later that if Brad's going to run into guys all the time, that he needs to be able to defend himself, and according to Harvick, that was his reasoning behind pushing Keselowski into Gordon after the race, which started that mess. It's also interesting that Denny Hamlin did insert his opinion when asked about what happened, and to nobody's great surprise, had some choice words regarding Keselowski, which sort of answered my question about where he stands on this matter. Hamlin even went as far as to call Keselowski a "dweeb" in the interview with Jerry Punch. Joey Logano was also asked, but either taking a party line or actually not knowing about what happened, he had no comment about the fracas after the race. And you're absolutely right about what happened to Dale, Sr. in the 2001 Daytona 500 being a racing accident, and nothing more, DSFF. That was the last lap of the Daytona 500 and he was battling for third place and crowded Sterling Marlin entering turn three. But he was doing what he was supposed to do at that moment, since he had no chance to win, he was racing for the highest position he could get, which would have been third place. Anyone who says what happened to Dale, Sr. was "karma", or that he had it coming to him, is absolutely clueless. It was hard, clean racing at the end of the sport's biggest event that went horribly wrong, and nothing more than that. 721. Sector posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad pretty much is on every top tier driver's radar now at I think about it. Carl Edwards and Kyle Busch doesn't have a pretty healthy relationship with him either. Refresh my memory here, has he got involved with Kurt Busch at all, besides being ex teammates? 722. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Harvick said later that if Brad's going to run into guys all the time, that he needs to be able to defend himself, and according to Harvick, that was his reasoning behind pushing Keselowski into Gordon after the race, which started that mess." That's pretty rich coming from Harvick, since in many of the dust ups he's been in he's had his crew surrounding him like a secret service detail. What a hypocritical dumbass. 723. murb posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Refresh my memory here, has he got involved with Kurt Busch at all, besides being ex teammates?" Martinsville in the Spring. 724. Schroeder51 posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:35 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Harvick said later that if Brad's going to run into guys all the time, that he needs to be able to defend himself, and according to Harvick, that was his reasoning behind pushing Keselowski into Gordon after the race, which started that mess." You don't honestly BELIEVE Harvick, do you? I kind of think that whole fight might not even started if not for Harvick pushing Brad...I REALLY think he just did that to stir things up-which is very typical of Kevin. 725. Schroeder51 posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Martinsville in the Spring." Ah yes, the race where Brad tried to wreck Kurt Busch for a full lap or two for an incident that happened in the pits that-if I'm remembering right-wasn't even Kurt's fault in the first place...and not only did Brad FAIL to take Kurt out, Kurt went on to WIN the race. 726. MarkMartinFan posted: 11.03.2014 - 2:52 am Rate this comment: (3) (3) The way I respect Harvick, Gordon, and Keselowski has changed after this race. I respect Harvick even more for starting the fight because he's right! If Keselowski is gonna run over people like a jackass, then he should at least get out of his car expecting to fight. When you're pissing off Kenseth and Gordon, something is wrong with you. I respect Gordon way more than I did before this race. I usually fluctuate with Gordon because every time I start to like him, he does stuff like dump Bowyer at Phoenix and also collect 2 innocent bystanders. But in my opinion, Brad went for a hole that everyone knew was gonna close. If you didn't know it would close, you're a moron. But then when you get out of the car, he acts like he doesn't ever do shit to anyone, so if Gordon was the one to pop him in the mouth, then I respect him more than anyone on this site. Keselowski is just a jackass. I am sick of him. He's worse than Kyle Busch when it comes to whining. Losing respect for him by the week. 727. MarkMartinFan posted: 11.03.2014 - 3:12 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) "I also just want to point out i never said Dale was the cleanest driver. All i said he never threw a hissy fit as you put it like Jeff did at Phoenix 2 years ago. Bumping people out of the way and sometimes causing an accident is 100% different than purposely running laps well of the race pace looking for a driver to dump." 1986 Richmond - dumps Darrell Waltrip because Darrell is faster and headed for the win. 1999 Bristol - dumps Terry Labonte because Terry is faster and going to win. 1989 North Wilkesboro - tries to block Rudd and they both go spinning. Calls for Rudd to be suspended. These seem to be the kind of acts I'd expect my 3 year old to show. I'm not trying to bash Dale. I don't hate him. But stop acting like he's a god just because he's dead. 728. The Crimson King posted: 11.03.2014 - 3:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) ""By being a racing driver you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win. And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it's not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win as long as I feel it's possible. Sometimes you get it wrong? Sure, it's impossible to get it right all the time. But I race designed to win, as long as I feel I'm doing it right." Says all the needs to be said about the finish to the race tonight. Thanks Senna." I'm gonna say something really controversial here. Don't get upset at this now (though you probably will). Senna was a cunt and nearly murdered people on the track. I wouldn't take much of what Senna has to say very seriously. 729. joey2448 posted: 11.03.2014 - 3:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Key word: you seem to forget that Earnhardt was the most whiney piece of shit that ever lived, and that NONE of his peers respected him as a person on the track except for Neil, his best friend. HE is the reason NASCAR sucks today. He is the reason drivers are little fruitcakes who can talk big but not handle being talked big back to. He is the reason everyone is a self-entitled little bitch. You ask the Rex White's of the world, and they tell you DALE EARNHARDT SR. killed NASCAR." Wow, Hinch77, since when do you (or anyone for that matter) believe ol' Ironhead ruined the sport of NASCAR? These are harsh words, dude. And honestly, I think you're just lambasting Earnhardt just to stick it to DSFF. You really believe one of the most successful stock car drivers is the reason the sport sucks today?? He cowers from other drivers and is a sissy? Just...wow. 730. joey2448 posted: 11.03.2014 - 3:35 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Here are some posts by cjs after the Charlotte race a few weeks ago... 507. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:13 am And Jeff apparently made comments in the press conference about openly having built-up animosity toward Brad, which is surprising. and in fact, he even had to hold back on what he wanted to say, which tells me that he REALLY wanted to open up on Brad, and decided this isn't the right time or place to do so. Of course, Gordon might try to help his teammates make the cut, which really figures to be interesting, because two of them must win the race to get in, while Kasey Kahne could still make it on points, as close as he is to the bubble. But openly admitting his own animosity toward Brad Keselowski and the fact that it's been building is a shock, and Jeff Gordon's not a driver you want on your enemies list. Ask Clint Bowyer how that ends up, because he'd tell you that it doesn't end very well. And Gordon openly admitted tonight that Brad Keselowski's on his enemies list, so there may be fireworks between the 2 and 24 cars before the year's over. 558. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:42 pm That said, one thing that bears watching for the future regarding this incident is the reaction by Jeff Gordon after the fact, because I don't think Keselowski is going to take Gordon's response to the incident, or his comments about his animosity toward Keselowski very well, so this incident exposed more bad blood between Keselowski and Gordon than anyone realized there was. And if Keselowski does miss the cut for the next round, we could see fireworks between the #2 and #24 cars in the final few races, and not just because Keselowski may want to help teammate Joey Logano win the title, because apparently Gordon harbors the same ill will towards Keselowski that Kenseth and Hamlin do, and that could boomerang back in Gordon's direction when it hurts the most. Clairvoyant. Good call there, cjs... 731. cjs3872 posted: 11.03.2014 - 3:36 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well, somebody has to make Brad face the music, Schroeder51, and the actions of Kevin Harvick and the words of Denny Hamlin after the race are two things that speak volumes about how the entire garage area feels about Keselowski, if Gordon's comments and reaction after the fiasco at Charlotte hadn't already done so. And I really do believe that, of all the drivers in the garage area today, Harvick's the closest one to being an enforcer that there is, though his boss, Tony Stewart, is a close second. If Jeff Burton was the mayor, then ex-teammate Kevin Harvick's the sheriff. And what Denny Hamlin said after the race regarding this was just as powerful, because he really gave Keselowski the riot act with what he said, calling him a dweeb and saying that he's going to get beat up by someone if he continues to do this sort of thing. But the fact that he's now riled up two of the sport's most respected drivers in Matt Kenseth and Jeff Gordon over the last month, and his bullheaded attitude, which Roger Penske is going to have to put a stop to, one way or the other, may say something about the character of Brad Keselowski, or more accurately, the lack of character of Brad Keselowski. And by the way, it would be almost easier to list the drivers that Keselowski has not had a run-in with. Just this year, he's had run-ins with Kurt Busch, Tony Stewart, Danica Patrick, Kevin Harvick (all the SHR drivers), Trevor Bayne, Jeff Gordon, Kasey Kahne (he had a little dust-up with Kahne in this race), Denny Hamlin, Matt Kenseth, and Jimmie Johnson, not to mention past encounters with Hamlin, Bayne, Carl Edwards, Regan Smith, and Kyle Busch, among others. And he doesn't care if he's laps down and out of contention. Earlier this year at Talladega, he was seven laps down when he tangled with Bayne and ignited a huge crash, and I think it was that crash that set off Gordon when it came to Keselowski. So there's a reason why so many drivers in the garage area don't like Keselowski. 732. cjs3872 posted: 11.03.2014 - 3:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well joey2448, it didn't take a genius to figure out that making comments such as the ones Gordon made following the Charlotte race was going to irk a guy like Brad Keselowski to no end, so it figured that Keselowski was going to take action, at some point, and likely when it hurt the most. If he had aimed similar comments toward someone like Matt Kenseth or even Joey Logano, odds are that they wouldn't take it so personally, because they're the kind of guys that don't let comments get to them, but poking Keselowski like that was just asking for trouble. And the fact that even I could figure that out proves that it doesn't take a genius to figure something like that out. And I think we all know who's back the garage area has in this one. After all, on one hand, you have a driver with an attitude problem that effectively backed into the championship when the #48 team collapsed two years ago, and on the other hand, you have a driver that has over 90 wins that has done it all several times over, and has the respect of the entire garage area. And while Gordon has certainly created his share of problems with numerous drivers over the years, Brad Keselowski has created problems with more drivers in five or six years than Gordon has in nearly 25 years, something I partially blame on the fact that there is no driver, perhaps other than Tony Stewart, that had the commanding presence in the garage area when Keselowski came into the sport, while there were guys such as Earnhardt, Richard Petty, Darrell Waltrip, Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison, and Bud Moore that were among those active in the sport, either as drivers and car owners, that commanded and demanded the respect of everyone that was getting into the sport, because they would put you in your place if you got out of line, and when the younger generation of today's drivers began their NASCAR careers, they didn't have that commanding presence to put them in their place when they got out of line, and that is a large reason why you have guys like Keselowski, the Busch brothers, and other young guys coming up that run amok. Joey Logano was like that, but he seems to have turned it around, but I don't think that's in either Keselowski or the Busch brothers, though Kurt has turned it around somewhat over the last two years. 733. Hinch77 posted: 11.03.2014 - 4:52 am Rate this comment: (2) (4) "Wow, Hinch77, since when do you (or anyone for that matter) believe ol' Ironhead ruined the sport of NASCAR? These are harsh words, dude. And honestly, I think you're just lambasting Earnhardt just to stick it to DSFF. You really believe one of the most successful stock car drivers is the reason the sport sucks today?? He cowers from other drivers and is a sissy? Just...wow. " Do you want the honest answer? Hell yes. Everything you see wrong today is what happens when every driver is groomed to be just like Earnhardt because they were told as kids that being an "Earnhardt" is the way to go. If it wasn't for the safety changes of the last 15 years, think about how many of the current drivers would be dead right now because they or someone else made an asinine move. 734. Hinch77 posted: 11.03.2014 - 5:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) All right... just watched it... complete racing incident there... but this goes to show how pretty much everyone in the garage feels about Brad right now. 735. Jim posted: 11.03.2014 - 7:31 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Bad Brad is a tosspot,end of story. 736. Jim posted: 11.03.2014 - 7:33 am Rate this comment: (4) (0) DaleSrFanForever is a tosspot,end of story. 737. TS1420 posted: 11.03.2014 - 8:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) Wow. The Bash Brad Bandwagon is still going strong, turning minor incidents (like his "block" on Newman at Talladega) in to "OMG BRAD TRIED TO MURDER THE HOLE FIELD!" Brad saw a hole and went for it, Gordon's dumb-ass came down on him because he panicked after having another of his trademark restarts without somebody pushing the hell out of him. Then Gordon (along with Harvick) went to Brad's pit and started the whole melee. 738. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2014 - 8:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (4) What the hell is a tosspot? If you're gonna insult someone, don't use a term that nobody gets. And for the whole "Brad got what was coming", what exactly did he "get". A few scrapes that are less than I get when playing with my dogs sometimes? Called names used by middle schoolers like "dipshit" and "dweeb" by people he could care less about? At the end of the night, he was standing there, cool as can be, while the rest of the garage area, the drivers that have turned off a whole generation of fans, were whining and crying. Now I remember why I liked Brad so much in the first place: everybody that I hate, hates Brad. His success got under their skin, and I love that it gets under their skin. Jeff even said in his interview how annoyed he is that Brad has a championship (what's wrong Jeffy? Is the chase maybe not as hard as you make it out to be?). While I now see Brad for who he is on a personal level, and hate that any success he has gives him personal satisfaction, I can at least take solace in the fact that his success pisses off so many people that I have no respect for. Remember that scene in Days of Thunder, after Tom Cruise chases that guy around the parking garage causing a big blow up between himself and Nicole ending with her saying "God I hate you for this you son of a bitch, you made me sound like a doctor!" Well, to you Gordon fanboys: God I hate you for this you sons of bitches, you made me sound like a Brad fan. 739. Matt posted: 11.03.2014 - 8:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @607 Why is Harvick is an idiot for bumping/racing Brad for second at the end? If he couldn't win, obviously he would want Johnson to win to keep more points slots available, that helped his championship chances versus Keselowski clinching a spot. And I think the push by Harvick post race was to get Gordon and Keselowski involved to also increase his chances of having them involved in Phoenix altercations 740. racefangurl posted: 11.03.2014 - 9:31 am Rate this comment: (5) (1) I looked up tosspot and it's an Irish insult that can mean a drunk. Earnhardt, since he died has been viewed as St. Dale by his fans and that why they sing his praises over things he did. But with other drivers they see these things as a problem because those others can't be Dale Earnhardt. He's irreplaceable in their eyes, I think. I have some made up insults, goofbrain and ditwit, but I don't use them here. Trolls insult people and I don't wanna be a troll. 741. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 11.03.2014 - 9:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) "The irony of this is that back when he was driving the rainbow car Jeff made a career out of the very moves he's slamming Brad for(the 1999 Daytona 500 comes to mind). I understand his frustration but Brad did nothing wrong, he saw a hole and went for it." The reason I was a Brad fan in the past was because he's one of the only drivers left that actually does whatever it takes to win and will take risks. He doesn't care about showing "extra respect" on track to all of the veterans of the sport just because they are established and have been around for years. In fact, despite being turned off from Brad these days, I STILL appreciate that about him. Now if Brad could just stop complaining when it happens to him (a la the incident with Kenseth at Richmond)... 742. race fan posted: 11.03.2014 - 9:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Harvick knows brad is on probation and was trying to get brad into a fight and possibly suspended its pretty obvious. I guess Harvick worried he cant brad. Cant stand Harvick or his hair plugs 743. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:07 am Rate this comment: (2) (6) Amen RCRand penskeguy. And for those of you saying "Dale was worse", you are completely incorrect. Gordon has used his bumper and side panels just as much, if not more, than Dale. The difference is Dale always said "I wasn't about to lay back, I didn't come here to stroke, I came here to race". Then, to the people he pissed off, he would get that absolutely devilish grin that I miss so much and say "I think they're a little upset" (think his interview after The Winston in 1987, or as it is known now, The Greatest Interview Ever). Jeff always blames the other guy. Saying he was cut off (Martinsville 2005 is a great example) or being blocked. And that is the difference off the track between Jeff and Dale outside the car (the difference behind the wheel is obvious, Dale is the greatest ever, dominating NASCAR's most stacked era while Jeff won 4 championships by age 30, Jimmie Johnson shows up the next year, and Jeff hasn't won a championship again yet, while JJ has won 6 championship including 5 in a row IN THE EXACT SAME EQUIPMENT). Dale was always a man, The Man, Jeff is still a little boy. And to whoever said Big E killed NASCAR, lets look at the facts. When he began his run as The Dominator in 1986 NASCAR still didn't have all their races aired live. The rest were on a variety of networks including the fledgling ESPN, TBS, TNN, and a few races on CBS and ABC. By the time of his death he was the longtime face of NASCAR, he and (mostly) Teresa had basically invented the NASCAR merchandising juggernaut, and NASCAR was on their first race of the new multi billion dollar TV deal with FOX and NBC. He died, Jeff took over as the face of NASCAR, and attendance and ratings are half of what they were with Big E ruling everything. The only way he killed NASCAR was by ignoring safety leading to his death at a time when NASCAR needed him the most. Every sponsor wanted a Gordon clone: clean cut, robotic, generic, short, and boring. The fall of NASCAR is every bit as much on Jeff's tiny shoulders as Brian France's. 744. racefangurl posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel" That's what I've heard when someone loses a wheel. Some drivers had loose wheels at Texas. 745. BoxerTKOracing posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great race at Texas. I am not picking sides on what was right or wrong in the deal but I have some questions for NASCAR and its penalties. Gordon got into a brawl at Texas with Burton a few years ago and nothing happened. Now we get into a major fight that he threw the first punch. Again I am not picking sides on who is right or wrong but gordon and harvick started the fight. Is there going to be a fine or penalty? and why are some of these crew guys not being charged with assault? Some of the blows by these guys were assault and should be held to the law. If you or I did that we would be in the slammer for a night. The guy on Gordons crew with a similar hair cut as Gordon was pointing at Brad and threw some punches. Look at the video and pictures. Why are these people not held accountable for this? And also Gordon called Brad a Dip S*** on tv. I remember a Dega race where JR said S*** and was fined 25 points..Will gordon receive the same? Brad is on probation so he may face some penalties. Harvick is also just as guilty 746. Anonymous posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:07 am Rate this comment: (6) (0) I think the last half of the race was a joke with absolute bs debris cautions. This is Nascar at its finest trying to manipulate the race. It was pretty clear that Nascar was trying to create a WWE situation. The constant debris cautions really ticked me off. This is a race that needed play out based on who has the better car not on constant restarts. Well I think these constant post race incidents actually hurts Nascar. Also I think this elimination format also hurts Nascar. 747. JP88 posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) IMO Brad just made a bold move. Jeff has his right to be pissed but Brad has some major balls. As for the fight, I had to LOL when Harvick shoved Brad and started the whole. Also anyone see that old guy punch a member of Menard's crew in the face and that guy just stared at the old man, with a "Are you f'in kidding me," look. Priceless. All I know is that next week might be even crazier. No one is locked in, no one is safe. One mistake could take any one of the 8 out of contention. Even with the cheapen feel of how the championship is determined, I gotta admit the new chase has created drama. 748. New14 & 88Fan posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I got a chance to see another replay of the first GWC and while I don't fault him for going for the win, I think Brad could of exercised some better judgement in not trying to make a it three-wide and instead try to draft with JJ past Jeff. Overall it was still just a racing deal and Harvick is still an asshole for kickstarting a fight he had no stake in. 749. Hinch77 posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "He died, Jeff took over as the face of NASCAR, and attendance and ratings are half of what they were with Big E ruling everything. The only way he killed NASCAR was by ignoring safety leading to his death at a time when NASCAR needed him the most. Every sponsor wanted a Gordon clone: clean cut, robotic, generic, short, and boring. The fall of NASCAR is every bit as much on Jeff's tiny shoulders as Brian France's. " And who told Jeff to be that way? I rest my case, because further debate with an idol-worshiper like you is worthless. Go ahead and troll. 750. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I found out about the finish when I called my brother to see who won during my break at my job. So when I got home, I popped in my tape, FFW'ed to the final 10 laps and watched the coverage till Sportscenter started and here's my reaction. Personally, the Gordon and Keselowski scuffle during the race was all on Gordon. Keselowski saw an opportunity to try and sneak through an opening, but since Gordon blocked late, Keselowski's side skirt popped Gordon's Left Rear. It it weren't for Gordon's crew screwing up during his final pit stop, maybe Gordon would still be frustrated, but not as frustrated as he expressed during his post race interview. The fight that started at the end was all on Harvick, not in a bad way. I understand he maybe was trying to stop the brawl, but I don't think it would have broken out if Harvick hadn't laid a finger on Keselowski in the first place. My overall reaction, not the best race I've seen, but like the Spring race, an interesting one nevertheless. 751. Daniel posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Go Gordon! 752. racefangurl posted: 11.03.2014 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordo has been feisty the past few years. I remember a Phoenix fight two years ago. 753. Bradley Thomas posted: 11.03.2014 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (9) BREAKING NEWS: Brad Keselowski: Fined $100,000 and docked 50 points, crew chief suspended first 6 races of 2015 season (starting with Daytona 500) Kevin Harvick: Fined $50,000 and docked 25 points, crew chief suspended until end of season Jeff Gordon: Fined $10,000 and loss of 20 minutes of practice on Friday. 754. David posted: 11.03.2014 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You are really desperate for attention, aren't you? 755. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.03.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) In other news, Bernie Eccilstone is "asking" F1 teams too help save the sport from imploding. Well gee Bernie, i thought you would have brought in new sponsers by now. You know too help prop up the series? Or too give The Red Team their cut too save F1? Or too fill your own pockets while little teams fall away? Or maybe you can't accept blame because you are an idiot? NASCAR teams may get sponsers for 20 races at 15-20 million dollars, yet F1 (the highest/richest sport in the world) can't get a INTERNATIONAL sponsers for about 10 million more and the same amount of races? I see what the problem is; It is Bernie Eccilstone. If F1 implodes, it is on Bernie. BTW Bernie is asking the teams to spend MORE money on new rules for next year. Money the teams do not have. Alright news updated, back too our normal programming of bash fests. 756. Cornys posted: 11.03.2014 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Returning to demographics I will continue to agree that racing period is going to be hurt demographically. What growth there is on the NASCAR side will be thrill seekers/excitement based watchers who have ignored motor racing until recently. This is what NASCAR is tailoring their product towards. Ultimately, that demographic will decline while reality TV audiences begin to decline. I believe that reality TV has just about reached its peek and will now begin to decline (IE: over saturation and fragmentation of audience will take reality TV out of favor. This is already starting to happen). People who enjoy the sport of auto-racing (not just its entertainment value) will continue to be fed up with the officiating of the National NASCAR divisions. This is especially true in the growing segment of millennials who are more educated (over educated in many cases I'm afraid) that I am a member of. I've brought many people my age into the sport and many (67% of them) fail to take interest. That's an auto-racing problem. The people who enjoyed racing that brought me into this sport have left in disgust of the things I'm disgusted about. Sadly, IndyCar and F1 are not popular enough to catch their attention yet (I live far away from any race track (2 hours south of Mid-Ohio sports car course)). If either of these two series' could make, earn, or inherit a household name it would take off and would seriously compete with NASCAR with a completely different audience. NASCAR will be on nearly the same TV contract (as far as television stations and reach, not events or money, however) as these other two series' next year, and this will likely boost IndyCar and F1. This is a loss of NASCAR's primary method of maintaining the auto-racing household name monopoly that it has had since the days of the IndyCar/CART split (aside from the side show that is Danica Patrick). Auto-racing is not in a good position by any measure in demographics, but IndyCar and F1 are in much better positions to acquire a gain in audience, attendance and popularity in general. In-fact, I think IndyCar could seriously compete with NASCAR again someday in the mid-term future (around a decade from now) if they are able to acquire a household name or build one from the ground up. It will be interesting. For now though, it's NASCAR's popularity monopoly on the auto-racing market that if holding its competition back. Erode that (as it slowly has been doing for over a decade now) and the door is wide open. It will be interesting to see which of us is correct, but I think the future of auto-racing in popular culture is very bleak. About as bleak as WWE in popular culture is, but not quite as bad. Speaking of that reference, compare NASCAR to WWE and IndyCar or F1 to UFC/MMA. That's how I see the motor racing industry currently. Who saw UFC or MMA coming on strong as it is now in WWE's (or competitors of it at that time) beginning of decline? I wasn't interested, but I don't think many people did. 757. Joseph_67-85 posted: 11.03.2014 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah I cant wait for the race at phoenix! 758. MStall41 posted: 11.03.2014 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Cornys, as much as I love IndyCar, it is patently insane to think that IndyCar will ever undergo a resurgence at any point. IndyCar is a dying sport unfortunately. Auto racing in general is on the downswing (auto racing will never "die", but it is going to continue to contract). The only auto racing organizations that have any shot at maintaining relevance are ones that take chances in terms of capturing casual interest and try to get younger viewers. NASCAR is doing that (F1 kinda tries to do it too), and while there is an argument to be made on both sides as to whether or not that plan is working, they are doing what they can to stay relevant. Here's the cold hard truth: NASCAR would be far worse off today if it wasn't for a lot of the "mainstream-friendly" changes that were made over the years. Auto racing's general decline is responsible for 90% of NASCAR's losses in terms of interest over the years, and I'd wager that if it were not for a lot of the changes NASCAR has made to shed the godforsaken good ol boy image, this sport would be in far worse shape than it is in today. It genuinely irritates me when people (not referring to anyone here specifically, but in general) try to insinuate that a return to everything that NASCAR did in the 80s and 90s would magically solve every problem and somehow fix the sport. It wouldn't. When NASCAR was at it's "height," the sport was paradoxically viewed as more niche, more redneck-y, and less mainstream-friendly than it is today. That growth was predicated on an old, dying fan base from a different era that is diametrically different than the type of fans the sport needs to capture today. Today's sports fans have shorter attention spans, seek bigger thrills/controversies, love playoff systems, and crave "big dramatic moments." So guess what you have to do to stay relevant with those fans? You have to cater to them to some extent. Making the sport somehow more "pure" a la IndyCar is a perilous plan filled with holes that just would not work in today's society. NASCAR has never really been about "pure" auto racing. It has always been rough and tumble racing with a little stick and ball-esque flair to it. Instead of running from that I'm glad that NASCAR is embracing it. 759. dennyfan11 posted: 11.03.2014 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess i should talk about a dream i had in august that has to do with all this. It was were Brian France did a press confrence and spoke these words. "From now on, NASCAR will no longer try to emulate the NFL. We will try to emulate the WWE!" A forum i saw about this got 75 pages in the first hour. Then i woke up. 760. dennyfan11 posted: 11.03.2014 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I also think NASCAR will be surpassed by INDYCAR in the near future. The ratings are spiraling downwards for NASCAR, and Indycar is gaining interest with more popular stars and the movie Turbo introducting many to Indycar. 761. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2014 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Go ahead and troll." If you thought Nico Rossburg's early season success was gonna lead to a 2014 F1 championship, I'm afraid I've got some bad news. 762. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.03.2014 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I also see NASCAR being surpassed by Indycar in the near future. Mainly because (despite how terrible the schedule is), what other spots series does Indycar compete with, especially in the months of May and August, when it's Biggest Race and Season Finale are run? IN addition, most disheartened NASCAR fans are heading that way. I'd head that way permanently if I had more time to watch TV (College, gaming, and other things keep that away from me). 763. Hinch77 posted: 11.03.2014 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "If you thought Nico Rossburg's early season success was gonna lead to a 2014 F1 championship, I'm afraid I've got some bad news. " In case you haven't noticed, I stopped following F1 as a fan back in April or May, and changed my name a couple of months later. Much the same as I stopped watching baseball a few years ago after Pedro Martinez retired. 764. Cooper posted: 11.03.2014 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Brad Keselowski Involved in Another Incident ---USA Today Brad Keselowski, driver of the #2 Miller Lite Ford was involved in an incident at a Walmart located in Charlotte, North Carolina. A pastor shopping at the Walmart was in the 4th aisle, shopping for cereal, when Brad out of no where collided with the Pastor's cart and stole the last box of Frosted Flakes. At this point, things got heated and punches were thrown. The pastor of a local church in the area did not comment, but Brad had these words. "I only get one day to shop for groceries, not two or three. I only have one day to prove that I can do this and I'm not going to back down. I seen the box of cereal and he left a gap. I don't care how anyone else thinks I shop, now if my girlfriend came up to me and said, you shouldn't shop like that, you should've done this then I would take another look." We will have more information on this story in the morning. 765. JG24FanForever posted: 11.03.2014 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you thought Nico Rossburg's early season success was gonna lead to a 2014 F1 championship, I'm afraid I've got some bad news." Hamilton has a 9-2 edge in 1-2 finishes with Rosberg this season. Ham has just completed only the second streak of 5 straight wins over the past 10 seasons. The other being Vettel's 9 straight in the last 9 races last season. 766. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.03.2014 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) If you thought James Hinchcliffe's 3 win 2013 season was gonna lead to wins in 2014, I'm afraid I've got some bad news. 767. Seagal posted: 11.03.2014 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. I was listening to Mike Calinoff's TearDown Radio and he said he's "heard it on good authority" that Bubba Wallace will be out of a ride at JGR at the end of the season. Apparently Erik Jones will take his place. Unless something changes from now till then, obviously. Not many things surprise me in this sport, but this really shocked me. He's really improved over the course of this year and I think he is very charismatic and good with sponsors. He's good for the sport in general. No doubt someone will pick him up, but I'm stunned JGR would let him go. 768. Anonymous posted: 11.03.2014 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Most nascar fans aren't that open to watching other racing series. I think some of it is because many don't realize there's a whole world of racing outside of nascar. This causes a lot of fans to be ignorant, in that they think nothing is wrong with nascar. Imagine a kid being raised to believe in something and then having to break out of that tight grip on his own? Other racing series have better racing/competition but will never reach the same popularity level. Nascar is like a huge tumor. We're stuck with a circus act that gets worse every week. It's kind of enjoyable to watch though, like a bad train wreck. I personally think they should just make the races a demo derby and have let the drivers fight each other the whole race. Look at how much discussion the brawls this year have generated. Make a profit off of it $$$ 769. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2014 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Wow. I was listening to Mike Calinoff's TearDown Radio and he said he's "heard it on good authority" that Bubba Wallace will be out of a ride at JGR at the end of the season. Apparently Erik Jones will take his place. Unless something changes from now till then, obviously. Not many things surprise me in this sport, but this really shocked me. He's really improved over the course of this year and I think he is very charismatic and good with sponsors. He's good for the sport in general. No doubt someone will pick him up, but I'm stunned JGR would let him go." Jesus Christ. I like Jones a lot, but wow. Just lost a shitton of respect for JGR if this turns out to be true. Hopefully Bubba ends up with someone like Hendrick and sticks it to Gibbs' face. It's sad that Daniel Suarez, who has looked competent in precisely two races in his racing career, gets a Nationwide ride, but Bubba freaking Wallace is left out to dry. 770. Adjust posted: 11.03.2014 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @764 I looked up the Story and found NOTHING about it. You may be reading false Info, Unless you have a Link. 771. murb posted: 11.03.2014 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven't seen anything at all indicating that Bubba is out at JGR. So I'll start to believe it when I see more stories about it. I'd be dumbfounded if they actually did this. There's no way they could be that incompetent. 772. murb posted: 11.03.2014 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait a second, did Calinoff say that Bubba will be out of a ride at KBM or JGR? Because I'm almost certain the plan has been to move him up to a JGR NXS ride (especially now with Sadler moving on) with Jones replacing him in the #54 truck. So maybe that's what Calinoff was trying to say. I don't know, I guess we'll wait and see. I'd be shocked if they just completely dumped him. 773. MStall41 posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I also think NASCAR will be surpassed by INDYCAR in the near future. The ratings are spiraling downwards for NASCAR, and Indycar is gaining interest with more popular stars and the movie Turbo introducting many to Indycar" NASCAR's average rating in 2013 was a 3.48. IndyCar's was somewhere south of 1.0. IndyCar is not surpassing NASCAR anytime soon, especially considering IndyCar's finances are essentially a house of cards.... 774. MStall41 posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I really don't think some of you have any understanding of how big NASCAR actually still is and just how comparatively irrelevant IndyCar is. I don't mean that as an attack on IndyCar (I love both series), it's just the truth. NASCAR is big business still and will likely still be big business for a very long time. IndyCar is quite literally surviving by a thread. IndyCar's "growth" in 2014 can largely be attributed to more households having access to NBCSN and some favorable scheduling stuff. IndyCar is not in good shape and is absolutely not going to supplant NASCAR in this country any time soon. To think otherwise is just wrong, it's not based in any sort of reality. 775. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's sad that Daniel Suarez, who has looked competent in precisely two races in his racing career, gets a Nationwide ride, but Bubba freaking Wallace is left out to dry." Unfortunately Suarez is bring sponsorship with him in Arris, and that matters more than talent, at least to the owners anyways. I hope Wallace will end up somewhere good but when you really look at it he's in trouble. All the big named teams seem to be set for next year. When it comes to Nationwide, RCR just announced Brandon Jones is gonna do some races in the 33 next year, and based on what was said during the race last week we can probably expect Austin to run quite a bit in that car next year too. We know Ty is gonna be back next year, and I'm pretty sure Brendan and Brian will be back in their cars as well. Penske is gonna more than likely to run Ryan full time next year and i just can't see them making a jump from 1 to 3 full time teams. Roush Probably wouldn't take him unless he came with sponsors and right now it doesn't sound like he has any. Turner-Scott is a complete mess right now, and I highly doubt that team will remain the way they currently are. In my opinion I'm expecting to see their truck and nationwide teams dissolve, and then come back as two separate organizations. Lastly Is JRM. I remember reading a few weeks ago that Dale, Kevin, and Kasey were all gonna run the 88 car next year. What i still don't know is if the 5 car is just gonna become the 88 next year or if maybe they will run 4 full time teams. Even if they do run the 5 full time tho, I think Wallace is a long shot for the ride. Dale has a lot of different young guys he puts in that car when there isn't a cup guy racing it. If it were up to him, I'd expect him to put someone like Josh Berry, Austin Theriault, or heck maybe even Alex Bowman in the 5 before he gave it to someone he hasn't worked with before. Kind of sad to see especially with how good he's run this year, but i expect Wallace to end up in some mid level truck team like Joey Coulter did this year. Thats just how it is now. Talent can only get you so far. If you don't have someone backing you, you're not gonna make it to the next level, and that seems to be what is gonna happen to Darrell. 776. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wait a second, did Calinoff say that Bubba will be out of a ride at KBM or JGR? Because I'm almost certain the plan has been to move him up to a JGR NXS ride (especially now with Sadler moving on) with Jones replacing him in the #54 truck. So maybe that's what Calinoff was trying to say." You bringing Sadler leaving is a very good point. The only problem is (and this is just my opinion) I don't think Sadler would have been there in the first place had he not had One Main Financial with him. Honestly I feel like theres a good chance JGR only has 3 teams next year. Suarez, Kyle and who ever runs the non companion races, then maybe Edwards and Kenseth in the 20 with Eric Jones getting a few starts in that car as well. 777. murb posted: 11.03.2014 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, like I said, I'm not seeing any stories whatsoever about Bubba and JGR splitting up, so I have a seriously hard time believing it. I feel like it would be kind of big news and would be circulating at least a little by now if it was true. There's not one story online right now that even hints at this. I agree that JGR will probably have three NXS teams, and I'll stick to my guns and say that I'll be extremely surprised if Bubba isn't a part of that. If I had to guess, it will be Suarez in the #18, Bubba in the #11/#20 (basically as Sadler's replacement), and then Kyle and a variety of others (probably Erik Jones in some races, maybe Kenseth too) in the #54 (basically turning this into their de-facto "Owner's Championship"/Cup driver car, kind of like what Penske does with the #22). I don't know. All I can say is that I have a really hard time believing that JGR would just drop their building block and star of the future just randomly out of nowhere. They've been talking about promoting him to NXS all year, so why would they drop him after all that (I guess sponsorship maybe, but Suarez and the #54 would both be fully sponsored, so with their resources I think they could pretty easily swing a third team as long as the other two are fully funded)? I'm pretty sure something just got misconstrued along the way and this is all just a misunderstanding. 778. Seagal posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Murb, Calinoff said both JGR and KBM. He's out completely. I don't think Calinoff would say something like this unless he knew the facts. His "authority" is obviously someone from within JGR. He's got friends everywhere. He uploads episodes of TearDown so I'll go back and check when it's up, but I'm pretty confident I heard right. Sad business. Things change though. Maybe they'll work something out before next season. 779. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't know. All I can say is that I have a really hard time believing that JGR would just drop their building block and star of the future just randomly out of nowhere" Idk why but i feel that Bubba has been replaced by Eric Jones as their star of the future. Bubba's only Nationwide rides this year were at plate tracks, and by the sound of it he only got them because Kenseth didn't want to run them. Meanwhile Eric got starts at tracks like Chicago and Bristol which i feel like are tracks that are more important when it comes to seat time and helping a driver grow. Now if JGR could i'm sure they would keep both of them, but for some reason they could only pick one, it seems like to me they are leaning towards Eric. 780. Seagal posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They've been talking about promoting him to NXS all year, so why would they drop him after all that" I too remember Coach Gibbs saying Bubba would be with them full time next season. I don't understand it. You're right to be skeptical. It may end up being false. I'm just reporting what I heard from a pretty credible source. 781. cjs3872 posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle Busch Motorsports is the driver development arm of Joe Gibbs Racing, murb (#772), so if that rumor is true about Darrell Wallace, Jr. being out at JGR is true, then that would mean that he would also be out of a ride with Kyle Busch Motorsports. Kyle Busch Motorsports is to JGR what JR Motorsports is to HMS, the development arm of the big team from the lower series. Since JGR can't, or chooses not to develop their own drivers within their own team, they use Kyle Busch's team to develop their drivers, just as JR Motorsports does for Hendrick Motorsports. That's where Hendrick got the idea to put Brad Keselowski in one of their cars in 2009, and that eventually led to Brad getting the ride at Penske, first in the #12 car, and then moving over to the #2 when the #12 team disbanded. That's also where Danica Patrick raced before moving onto Stewart-Haas Racing, which is the satellite team for Hendrick Motorsports. And now that's the path Chase Elliott is using to get to the Cup Series. Gibbs uses Kyle Busch Motorsports for the same purpose, though the only driver to even sniff the Cup Series from KBM was Parker Kligerman earlier this year, until funding fell out from under him. And no, I don't count Sam Hornish, Jr., who will return to the Cup Series for RPM next year, in that, since he already has four full years in the Cup Series behind him from his days at Penske. And BMan0213, Turner-Scott is falling apart because at least one of the co-owners of that team, if not both of them, have proven to be frauds, something I had said Steve Turner was, and why James Finch took so long to sell out his team to them. I think he suspected they were frauds, or he wouldn't have taken as long to sell, given the extreme instability of that organization. And yes, I believe Team Penske has already stated that they intend to run Ryan Blaney full-time for the championship in the Nationwide Series next year, and he'll be a major factor for the title, if not one of the favorites. 782. murb posted: 11.03.2014 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm aware, CJS. I was saying that maybe Calinoff meant to say that Erik Jones would be replacing Bubba in the KBM truck while Bubba moved up to NNS, not necessarily that Bubba is out at JGR. But yeah. I'll believe it when I see it. 783. DB1995 posted: 11.04.2014 - 12:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""The Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup has provided great excitement and intense competition. Brad Keselowski is a champion who competes to win in every race, which is what I expect of him. While the actions by others following the race in Texas were unfortunate, Brad has my 100 percent support as we now move on to Phoenix for the next stage of the NASCAR championship."" Roger Penske on Brad Keselowski and Jeff Gordon at Texas. I actually agree with it 100% 784. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.04.2014 - 3:33 am Rate this comment: (5) (0) "Come on Johnson! Take down that dirty little ass wipe by winning this race!" I was reading back through the comments and can we all just take a moment to realize that Hinch27, formerly known as NicoRosbergFan, actually pulled for Jimmie Johnson to win a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series race for a brief moment. Never thought I'd live to see that happen. 785. Hinch77 posted: 11.04.2014 - 4:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Glad somebody noticed. 786. Hinch77 posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you thought James Hinchcliffe's 3 win 2013 season was gonna lead to wins in 2014, I'm afraid I've got some bad news. " You're sounding a little school boy who punished for cheating on a test. 787. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.04.2014 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "If you ask me, 'Do you want a championship trophy or the respect of my peers?', I'll take the respect." The above quote by Denny Hamlin may explain why he hasn't, and may never, win the Sprint Cup championship. 788. David posted: 11.04.2014 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This didn't occur to me on Sunday, but Johnson did Jeff Gordon a huge favor by winning the race. If Harvick or Keselowski had won instead, they would have been locked into the championship round yet would have remained behind Gordon in points, leaving him on the outside looking in going into Phoenix. So I'm glad Johnson won Sunday since Jeff didn't. 789. cjs3872 posted: 11.04.2014 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Denny may win it this year, Zack. And after what happened to him in 2010, and given the overall career he's had, I would have no problem with Denny as a champion. The interesting thing is, with all the rivalries that have erupted in recent weeks, one that has been dormant since it erupted last year is the one that exists between Hamlin and Brad Keselowski's teammate (and Denny's ex-teammate at JGR), Joey Logano. And yet, the way things have been going, the championship may very well come down to those two at Homestead, and if that happens, just about anything's liable to happen, because Denny has not forgotten about what happened at the end of the race at Fontana last year. Hamlin and Logano did have a coming together at Martinsville battling for the lead a couple of weeks ago, but I don't think that was anything more than a misunderstanding. So while everyone's focused on the chaos that Keselowski has wrought over the last month, it might be his teammate that those battling for the title are shooting at, especially those in the JGR contingent. After all, there are those that don't have to look for trouble, because trouble seems to have a way of finding them, and Keselowski is one of those drivers. After all, in the last three races where there's been bad blood, Charlotte, Martinsville, and Texas, he's be right in the middle of it in each race. He caused most of the problems at Charlotte and Texas, and he was also right in the middle of the chaos between Kasey Kahne and Brian Vickers at Martinsville, getting damage from one of their get-togethers that he never really recovered from. And lost in what happened between he and Jeff Gordon at Charlotte (with Gordon's comments aimed at Keselowski there) and Texas (with the on-track action during and after the race) was the fact that when Gordon and Clint Bowyer had their problems at Phoenix two years ago, Keselowski just about got caught in that mess, as well, nearly losing his grip on the championship in an incident he had nothing to do with. (And Joey Logano, Keselowski's current teammate and the current championship leader, actually WAS entangled in that mess.) And also, there are a lot of comments about how Brad races so hard, and the other drivers don't race that hard. Well, the plain truth is that, except for the short tracks and road courses, the drivers can't race each other hard, because the aerodynamics of the cars simply won't allow it. The incident where Brad and Kasey Kahne nearly wrecked at Texas is proof of that. And even on restarts when the cars are not up to full speed, if a car is one the inside line, there's a real danger that he'll spin out because of how they get sucked around by the cars on the outside. That may be one reason why Jeff Gordon restarted on the outside on that fated restart. He didn't want to get sucked around by Jimmie Johnson and the car directly behind him, which I believe was Jamie McMurray. I believe that's why he took his chances on the outside on that restart, because nobody else had restarted up there by choice all race long. Remember that Gordon was in a similar position in the latter stages of the race at Michigan that he won, and he nearly wrecked because he was on the inside on a restart, and then Kurt Busch nearly wrecked on the next restart for the same reason. The cars simply can't race close together, and that means the drivers can't race as hard as they would like to. The aerodynamics of the cars just won't allow it. 790. Smiff_2 posted: 11.04.2014 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I posted this earlier in response to someone's comment on Keselowski's Facebook page: ""He had fresher tires and should've waited"? Were you NOT watching the same race I was? Because it was pretty obvious that the tire advantage (at the end of the race) was MINIMAL due to of all the heat cycles put on the tires throughout the late restarts (not to mention the advantage of having the clean air). Brad had one option: Go hard. If he didn't get the lead on the restart, they probably could've held him off. So he HAD to go hard....and that's just what he did. THAT is WHY *I* am a Brad Keselowski fan." 791. Smiff_2 posted: 11.04.2014 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Also, I'm sick to death about how the Charlotte incident was just Brad going crazy. What? How? Here's a brief recap: Kez threw a late block on a restart, resulting in Kenseth smacking the wall. Not a GOOD move, but not BAD, either. Mistimed, would be a more proper description. Then, Kenseth sideswipes him before the restart. Understandable. Brad didn't intend to ruin Kenseth's day, but the same can't be said for Kenseth (he was pissed and looking to get even). So Brad, knowing those facts, side bumped his door going about 15 mph and accidentally slid (not very hard) into Stewart. Then, Stewart goes after Brad, while Brad was clearly just trying to get out of the situation. Then, there was the whole deal with Hamlin. I didn't see ANYTHING over the last couple laps that Brad did that should've upset Denny that much, but Denny's Denny (AKA 'Harvick-Lite'), so he hit Brad and Brad took a swipe back at him. Whatever, no biggie. Even stevens, right? Nope. Instead, Brad's followed and rammed all the way to his garage stall, where Hamlin pins him in. Brad does a slight burnout to break free, and that's it. The amount of hyperbole spewed in BK's direction the last month has been deplorable. 792. Smiff_2 posted: 11.04.2014 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Nevermind the fact that 95% of the incidents he had with Logano, Edwards and Hamlin back from '08-'10 weren't even really his fault! In my opinion, I've see Brad *really* have exactly *3* races where he "showed his ass": Memphis '09, Spring Richmond this year, Spring Martinsville this year. 2 of those were races where he acted stupid (Memphis and Martinsville) and the other was one where he complained about being raced hard (Something he RARELY does). Just look at his interview after Watkins Glen in 2012. He and Ambrose traded blows that whole last lap and yet he was all excited and pumped, even though he didn't win. Why? Because he's a real, old-school, hard-nosed racer who VALUES good, hard racing. Has Brad made errors here and there? Sure, everybody does. But is he a "dirty" driver? No way. 793. Seagal posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "The above quote by Denny Hamlin may explain why he hasn't, and may never, win the Sprint Cup championship." How does his quote explain that? He prizes respect above trophies. So do I. Many people do. It doesn't keep him from racing hard. Denny brought up a great example in Mark Martin. He never won a championship, but look at the mark he's left behind and the absolute respect he is given by everyone - peers, media, and fans alike. If I had what Mark has, I would not trade that in for a championship trophy. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't seem as important to me. Denny obviously feels the same way. Why fault him for that? 794. dennyfan11 posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) BREAKING NEWS: USATODAY.COM NASCAR, the premire american auto racing series, has just announced a new incective. Entitled "Project Rebuild" this will be a gradual plan, taking place over the course of 10 years, from 2015-2025. "It will be an effort to bring NASCAR back to it's former glory" Says NASCAR CEO Brian France. The timeline for this effort will be as follows. In 2015, NASCAR will introduce a new points system across all divisions. Entitled the "NASCAR Reality" Format, the lowest ranking full time driver in points will be eliminated from competition every race. In 2016, all the Restrictor plate races will be dropped, replaced by a race at Indianapolis, a race at Kentucky, and 2 races at Texas. In 2017, All the road courses and short tracks will be dropped, replaced by races at what fans think are the top 5 most boring tracks on the schedule. In 2018, NASCAR will start throwing cautions every 1/10th of the race, to keep the racing close and exciting. In 2019, NASCAR will reduce Xfinity series fields to 35 cars, and introduce the 25/10 rule. It will give 25 slots in each race to cup regulars, leaving 10 spots for Xfinity Series regulars. In 2020, NASCAR will refine Its points system. After every race except the final one, points will be reset to zero, to ensure nobody runs away. In 2021,NASCAR will give the fans what they want the most. They will introduce the NASCAR Wrestling Championship. Race teams and their drivers, crew members, and other employees will compete against eachother in a tornament bracket system. Whoever wins a fight advances to the next round. At the end of the season,The last team standing wins. In 2022,NASCAR will introduce random field inversions. They can be on any lap, including the last one. In 2023, NASCAR will be able to rig tire faliures, engine failures, and other problems. In 2024,NASCAR will add the 25/10 rule to the trucks. Finally, in 2025, NASCAR will let fans choose who to eliminate every race. 795. racefangurl posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After 3rd, the Cup points are tight. I guess I'm too passionate about my favorite drivers. I can't stand it if another driver makes them look bad. I'll try to do better. Kyle Larson would be in the top-10 without the Chase, I saw in the comparison between this Chase and without Chase points. 796. cjs3872 posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And it was actually Brad that exposed how little tires meant if you had clean air, Smiff_2. With about 75 laps to go in the race, he decided not to pit during a caution, which gave him the lead, but also gave him older tires than what the other front runners had. Everyone understandably thought Brad would be a sitting duck for those on fresher tires, but it just didn't work out that way, because it took Jeff Gordon, who had the best car, some 15-20 laps to get by Brad. That should have shown to everyone else right then and there just how little tires meant if you got up front. However, that only works if you are up front, because if you're even in third or fourth place, it just won't work because the advantage of having clean air isn't there, and you'll drop like a rock. Until he stayed out on that caution, Brad's car wasn't very good. In fact, he was in danger of getting lapped on that long green flag run, had it gone much further. But once he got out front, he was as good as anyone else was. And by the way, penalties for the post-race fracas will be handed down tomorrow, but here's what I think they should be for the drivers involved, and they include one-race suspensions for two of the three drivers involved. Only Keselowski should off the hook, as far as a suspension goes. I think the other two drivers, Jeff Gordon and Kevin Harvick, should each have to sit out the race at Phoenix. Harvick for initiating the brawl and Gordon for apparently being the one that landed that punch to Keselowski's jaw. All three drivers would get P3-level penalties handed to them, in terms of a monetary fine and points loss. And there would probably be big suspensions to the crew member of the #5 car, as well as big fines to certain crew members of the 2 and 24 teams (and suspensions to those caught throwing punches), and a smaller fine to members of the #27 team that got involved. I'm not sure what NASCAR's going to do here, but that's what I'd do. If I had to guess what NASCAR would do, I would suspect heavy fines and possible points penalties to all three drivers involved, heavy fines and suspensions to the crew members of the 2, 5, and 24 teams most notably involved, and smaller fines to members of the #27 that also got involved in that pit road melee, as well as fines to all four crew chiefs (Paul Wolfe, Kenny Francis, Alan Gustafson, and Justin Alexander, Paul Menard's crew chief, though his should be a lower penalty than the others may get). 797. joey2448 posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) PENALTIES ANNOUNCED Jeremy Fuller, a crew member with the No. 5 team along with Dwayne Doucette and Jason Ingle, crew members with the No. 24 team, each have been fined $25,000 and suspended from NASCAR through the completion of the next six NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points races. All three were found to be in violation of: -- Section 12-1: Actions detrimental to stock car racing -- Section 12-4.9: Behavioral penalty â?" involved in a post-race physical altercation with a driver on pit road Dean Mozingo, a crew member with the No. 24 team, has been fined $10,000 and suspended from NASCAR through the completion of the next three NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points races. He was found to be in violation of: -- Section 12-1: Actions detrimental to stock car racing -- Section 12-4.9: Behavioral penalty â?" involved in a post-race physical altercation with another crew member on pit road Kenny Francis, crew chief of the No. 5 team, and Alan Gustafson, crew chief of the No. 24 team, have each been fined $50,000 and placed on NASCAR probation through the completion of the next six NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points races. They were found to be in violation of: -- Section 9-4A: Crew chief assumes responsibility for the actions of his team members -- Section 12-1: Actions detrimental to stock car racing -- Section 12-4.9: Behavioral penalty 798. David posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Where? It's not on NASCAR.com or Jayski. 799. Kevin posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fuller was the guy that was sucker punching people from the back. Doucette was the guy that is in all the pictures landing a punch to Brad's face. Not sure when Ingle got involved, guess I need to go all Zapruder on the video. 800. murb posted: 11.04.2014 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good to see all those crew members get hammered (especially that maniac from the #5 team). They are always the ones who escalate these situations. 801. Seagal posted: 11.04.2014 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I can't even imagine paying a $25k fine on an average paycheck. Makes you wonder why they risk it. The new '15 Camry is really growing on me. @ToyotaRacing posted some pictures from the SEMA show of Kyle Busch's car next year. I think it looks great. 802. Seagal posted: 11.04.2014 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The new '15 Camry is really growing on me. I think this looks great - https://twitter.com/ToyotaRacing/status/529724367706812417/photo/1 803. Seagal posted: 11.04.2014 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So now it decides to post my comments? I apologize in advance if you see 5 of the same posts... 804. murb posted: 11.04.2014 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So now it decides to post my comments?" Links have to be approved on here, so they usually take a while to show up. 805. racefangurl posted: 11.04.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The tightness of points amongst the elimination bubble drivers, 3rd-8th, could be exciting. 806. cjs3872 posted: 11.04.2014 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If that's true, joey2448, then why weren't the crew chiefs for the 2 (Paul Wolfe) and 27 cars (Justin Alexander) penalized? They have just as much responsibility for their crew member's actions as the crew chiefs for the 5 and 24 car do. In fact, the actions of Paul Menard's crew could have made the situation far worse, because had one of them gotten attacked in the melee, that could have drawn Menard's crew, and possibly other RCR crews, including the #31 team that's in serious championship contention, into that. I agree with the penalties that appeared to be handed out, if that's the case, but as usual, NASCAR would be far too lenient on their penalties, because if that release is true, none of the drivers were penalized. Brad should probably not have been penalized, but I think that both Jeff Gordon and Kevin Harvick should not only have been heavily fined and lost points (a P3 or P4-level penalty would have been appropriate, in terms of monetary fine and points loss), but I think both Harvick and Gordon should have been suspended one race, Harvick for instigating the fight, and Gordon for throwing the punch that hit Keselowski's jaw, because it does appear that Gordon threw that punch. So while NASCAR likely got it right concerning the penalties they did hand down, they were, as usual, far too lenient when it cane to other penalties that should have been handed down, but weren't. 807. murb posted: 11.04.2014 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "why weren't the crew chiefs for the 2 (Paul Wolfe) and 27 cars (Justin Alexander) penalized?" The #27 guys were just trying to break up a huge melee that was happening in their pit box. There was no reason whatsoever for any of them to be penalized. 808. cjs3872 posted: 11.04.2014 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) But what if one of the guys from the #27 team was attacked in that melee? That would have only made a terrible situation even worse, because the #27 team would then have been in that scrum, and possibly brought at least one, if not both of the other RCR teams with them. That's why I think Justin Alexander, the crew chief for the #27 car, should have been lightly penalized, maybe to the tune of a $10,000 fine. Not a big fine, but enough to get the attention of both Alexander and his pit crew. What they were doing, while very admirable, is the job of the officials, and had something gone wrong, it could have made it far worse. And actually, one of Matt Kenseth's pit guys, possibly his crew chief Jason Ratcliff, wasn't too far from that mess himself, probably only one or two pits away. But also remember this about the #27 team. The 24 and 27 teams have had their share of issues on pit road over the last year or two, as it is, so one wrong move by either the 24 or 27 teams could have escalated things even more. So don't think for a moment that didn't cross the minds of members of either the #24 team or the #27 team, especially since those two teams had issues with each other as recently as the race at Martinsville two weeks ago. (I even remember there being a minor scuffle between those two teams earlier this year.) So I do find it plausible that a member of the #24 team could have assailed someone from the #27 team, just because of the past issues those two teams have had in the past, and not necessarily because of what the #27 team was trying to do Sunday night. After all, how many times have we heard Alan Gustafson get all over that pit crew (the #27 pit crew) over the last year or two, because they seem to be causing problems for the #24 team every time they're pitted next to each other, which has been surprisingly often. So there's some bad blood between those two teams, and I'm a bit surprised that didn't come out during the melee when Menard's team was trying to help things out. 809. racefangurl posted: 11.04.2014 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I wonder if anyone wishes Bad Brad would have a P6 penalty, since he's been so bad lately. 810. cjs3872 posted: 11.04.2014 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not on this one, racefangurl. While he was too bold in the incident that triggered what happened after the race, he did absolutely nothing to warrant any kind of sanction from NASCAR, and NASCAR did get that one right, but they completely missed it with the other two drivers involved, as well as fining just two of the four crew chiefs who's teams were involved in the post-race fracas in some way. They needed to fine Paul Wolfe an amount slightly under what the crew chiefs for the 5 and 24 teams were given, and they needed to lightly fine Justin Alexander, Paul Menard's crew chief, if only to make sure that neither they or any other team gets involved in such an incident again, even if it's just to break it up. That's the job of the officials. I think there were too lenient with Keselowski after Charlotte, but not penalizing Keselowski after the goings on at Texas was not only the right call, but the only call that could have been made regarding the driver of the #2 car. 811. JasonB72 posted: 11.04.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @808 We can't worry about "If this happened" or "If that happened", we can only worry about " What happened". The thing is, Justin Alexander and his pit crew made a good choice to try to break up the fight. After all, it WAS their pit box, and they had post-race things to do before leaving. 812. racefangurl posted: 11.04.2014 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't wish Bad Brad had a penalty, but other people have wished him ill, on other sites. 813. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2014 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "I would have moved him for sure. There's no doubt in my mind," Gordon said after finishing second to Earnhardt at Martinsville. Everybody who is out there racing has to weigh risk versus reward. For me, to win this race, it's worth taking a lot of risk, even if you upset your teammate. "I think everybody out there that's not in the Chase understands that if that guy can win that race and put himself in Homestead for the championship, you can pretty much guarantee that you're going to get the bumper or get slammed or something." Jeff Gordon one week prior after Martinsville. 814. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2014 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win" Aryton Senna 1990 815. Seagal posted: 11.04.2014 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) CJS: "And actually, one of Matt Kenseth's pit guys, possibly his crew chief Jason Ratcliff, wasn't too far from that mess himself, probably only one or two pits away." Don't forget Edwards' crew who were only 10 pit boxes away. They could have been in danger too. 816. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.04.2014 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Lol Seagal. That made my day. Cjs is the real life Ckicken Little. The sky is always falling. The consequences are always dire. Blah blah blah. Cjs needs to get a grip. I wonder if he has ever laughed in his life. 817. Benjamin Lowe posted: 11.04.2014 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) CJS the 1973 Indy 500 wasn't the big catastrophe that you have made it out to be. 818. joey2448 posted: 11.04.2014 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Really, cjs? You would like to see Harvick and Gordon suspended for the Phoenix race?? First of all, NASCAR wouldn't do it because both drivers are right in the thick of the championship fight, and taking them right out of that mix would anger and insult fans, not only fans of those two drivers, but fans of the sport! Second, Harvick and Gordon really don't deserve to be suspended for what they did, anyway. You wanna suspend Harvick for giving Brad a push?? Understandably, it did help to instigate the brawl, but competitors have done far worse than that and have gotten just a slap in the wrist. Kyle Busch hooking Hornaday into the wall at Texas while still traveling at a high rate of speed, now that deserves a suspension. And Gordon? It does look as if he landed a punch to Brad, but so did Marcos Ambrose on Casey Mears at Richmond this year! He wasn't suspended, and he wasn't even in the championship battle. Also, I wanna call out racefangurl for posting five words at a time. That is irritating. 819. cjs3872 posted: 11.05.2014 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not for giving Keselowski a push, but for instigating the brawl, joey2448. The mere act of pushing Keselowski should have resulted in a small to moderate monetary fine, but since that was the act that instigated the brawl, yes I do think that deserves at least a high five-figure fine, the loss of championship points, and even a one-race suspension. And you mention Marcos Ambrose landing a punch to Casey Mears. That also deserved at least a high five-figure fine, the loss of points, and even a suspension. I said that then, said so a few weeks ago, and say it now. Punches have no place in this sport, or for that matter, sports other than the ones where that's a natural part of the game. Guys are suspended all the time for throwing punches in other sport, so why should NASCAR be any different? So based on that, I think that Gordon should also have to sit out the Phoenix race. Whether or not a championship is on the line should never matter in such cases, and nor should the fact that if a few big names are missing that fans won't show up. As was the case after the fiasco at Richmond last year, what we've seen over the last four weeks is again proof of exactly why NASCAR needs a true high commissioner, one that rules over the entire sport at the highest levels. NASCAR has had only one such person in it's history, and that was it's founder, Bill France, Sr. The fact that neither Kevin Harvick or Jeff Gordon were sanctioned at all for their post-race misdeeds makes this a dark day in the history of NASCAR, because both deserved to have the book thrown at them. To me, this is NASCAR favoritism at it's worst. 820. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.05.2014 - 8:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) "The fact that neither Kevin Harvick or Jeff Gordon were sanctioned at all for their post-race misdeeds makes this a dark day in the history of NASCAR, because both deserved to have the book thrown at them. To me, this is NASCAR favoritism at it's worst." 11/02/2014. Never Forget. (I'll leave pointing out the irony of somebody saying there is a bias AGAINST NASCAR's factory team for spmebody else, as well as the fact that he continues to blame Brad for accident by slamming Jeff when the contact was CLEARLY JEFF'S FAULT. A huge gap was left, Brad filled it, and Jeff tried to block way too late, cutting his own left rear tire. It is dumb luck he didn't wreck himself, Brad, and Jimmie in front of the field which would have almost certainly collected Harvick and really turned the title race upside down. I will also let somebody else point out Jeff saying after Martinsville that you should expect to be SLAMMED (his words) by somebody going for the championship, then throwing a typical Jeff Gordon hissy fit when he felt he got SLAMMED (even though he didn't) by somebody looking to lock themselves into the final, just like Jeff was looking for at Martinsville.) 821. racefangurl posted: 11.05.2014 - 9:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey2448, should I just post a few words or sound crazy? If I post a lot to a time, I may sound like a nutcase. Some people like the fights, but I don't care for them so much. They can't all win. I know about adrenaline and all. They get on their adrenaline rush and want to win and then something happens and someone gets mad at someone else and punch and shove time. Sometimes they yell at each other, too. Even the nice guys do that, shove or have words. 822. kup posted: 11.05.2014 - 9:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) UPS! Take it easy. Universal Points System: Drivers Distance / Average Finish UPS Driver = Miles / AvFn 1238    Jeff Gordon 13118 / 10,6 1141    Joey Logano 13009 / 11,4 1012    Dale Earnhardt 12448 / 12,3 1006    Ryan Newman 13082 / 13,0 982    Brad Keselowski 12963 / 13,2 940    Matt Kenseth 12873 / 13,7 918    Kevin Harvick 12479 / 13,6 898    Carl Edwards 13024 / 14,5 880    Kyle Larson 12495 / 14,2 837    Jimmie Johnson 12392 / 14,8 825    Denny Hamlin 12212 / 14,8 As we see Top 4 have 1000+ UPS. Margin of #24 over #22 is 1238-1141 = 97 UPS. How much is this? We can multiply 97 UPS by #24 & #22 AvFn (10,6+11,4)/2 = 11,0. Result is 97*11 = 1067 miles. And we have just 2 races left. Phoenix 312 + Miami 400 = 712 miles. Not enough, even if #24 be at home. Very unlikely: #22 wins both while #24 crashes both at start with 43rd. That could make AvFn of #22 better and of #24 worse. 823. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.05.2014 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I have to agree whole-heartedly with cjs here. Harvick and Gordon should have had the book thrown at them. Harvick for instigating, Gordon for worsening by continuing the fight. 824. Hinch77 posted: 11.05.2014 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) " 11/02/2014. Never Forget. (I'll leave pointing out the irony of somebody saying there is a bias AGAINST NASCAR's factory team for spmebody else, as well as the fact that he continues to blame Brad for accident by slamming Jeff when the contact was CLEARLY JEFF'S FAULT. A huge gap was left, Brad filled it, and Jeff tried to block way too late, cutting his own left rear tire. It is dumb luck he didn't wreck himself, Brad, and Jimmie in front of the field which would have almost certainly collected Harvick and really turned the title race upside down. I will also let somebody else point out Jeff saying after Martinsville that you should expect to be SLAMMED (his words) by somebody going for the championship, then throwing a typical Jeff Gordon hissy fit when he felt he got SLAMMED (even though he didn't) by somebody looking to lock themselves into the final, just like Jeff was looking for at Martinsville.) " You are so viciously ANTI-American it's distressing. If it was the other way around you'd still be blaming Jeff. Your hate is showing. Now go join ISIS if you want to be pro-terrorist. 825. Scott B posted: 11.05.2014 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (9) (1) It's not a dark day because NASCAR failed to throw the book at a couple of drivers. It IS a dark day because most of the discussion has focused on the scuffle and penalties all week, instead of focusing on the real issues. Real issue #1: Gimmicky championship system that has already eliminated drivers who should be in contention, and may crown someone who had a less than stellar season. Real issue #2: Fans buzzing about a race that ended in double Green White Checkers and a post race incident, and forgetting the rest of the 3 hours and 52 minutes leading up to the finish. Real issue #3: Seven, that's right seven, consecutive debris cautions at the start of the race. The dumbing down of the sport continues, it's catering to reality show mentality instead of actual racing. I'm 0 for 6 as far as watching races since the Chase started, and I won't be watching at Phoenix, either. It's not worth the investment of my limited leisure time, I can read the race recap the next day and scan the comments here. That's the limit of my interest at this point. It's good to know Cornys and a few others know where I'm coming from. 826. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.05.2014 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Scott B has summed up my 2014 season post-600 perfectly. 827. David posted: 11.05.2014 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Not for giving Keselowski a push, but for instigating the brawl, joey2448. The mere act of pushing Keselowski should have resulted in a small to moderate monetary fine, but since that was the act that instigated the brawl, yes I do think that deserves at least a high five-figure fine, the loss of championship points, and even a one-race suspension." Do you have any clue how ridiculous this is to read? If Harvick pushes Keselowski and nothing else occurs, he only gets a fine. But if that push escalates to a brawl, something which Harvick has NO control over, then he should be penalized and suspended? I admit that Harvick's move was uncalled for (though the social media outburst over it has been hilarious), but that makes little--if any--sense. 828. racefangurl posted: 11.05.2014 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the champion should be someone that has multiple race wins. Then, it would be somewhat more legit. We couldn't say he had a less than stellar season, at least not easily. I hope a driver or two or three in the Final Four are race winners. 829. cjs3872 posted: 11.05.2014 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But David, if it weren't for Harvick's push, Gordon is never able to get his hands on Keselowski at that moment, since he was about to walk away from Gordon, and the all-out brawl doesn't happen. That's why I say that Harvick should have had the book thrown at him, because he actually instigated the brawl. Now it's still quite possible that something significant could have happened in the garage area, much as it did at Charlotte, but it wouldn't have involved nearly as many people, nor would it have been in plain sight of everyone who was there. And another driver that can't seem to be quiet about this whole situation is Denny Hamlin, because he also continues to pile on Keselowski, fairly or unfairly, even two or three days after the incident, so you can tell that he may have something to say about all this at some point, though his biggest beef, like most everyone else's, seems to be the fact that Keselowski never shows any remorse and won't even listen to reason. That was the problem as far back as 2008, and it hasn't changed, regardless of how many drivers he tangles with, and it's been about half the garage area at one time or another. And actually, Jimmie Johnson was fortunate not to get caught up in that situation late in the race himself, because Brad actually pushed Jimmie into turn one to try to create room to get to his outside, and could easily have spun Jimmie into Jeff, which undoubtedly would have also caught Keselowski up, since his car would likely have been wedged between the two Hendrick cars. But except for the ferocity with which Brad slammed into Jeff, I had no problem with what happened during the race, and Brad should be (and was) absolved from all responsibility for what happened after the race. 830. joey2448 posted: 11.05.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It appears that Watkins Glen will be repaved next summer, the first time the track will be repaved since 1998. From the track website -- "The repave will begin with 'The Boot' in July, followed by the short course immediately following the Cheez-It 355 at The Glen NASCAR Sprint Cup Series weekend in August. The repave is slated for completion in advance of the 2016 race season. Asphalt specialists and engineers conducted a thorough evaluation of The Glen's entire circuit and recommended the current timeline. Further details and project specifics will be released at a later date." 831. Standard racefangurl post posted: 11.05.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) I saw there was a fight after this race. Fights happen when people don't get along. Someone got hit in this fight. I hope it wasn't Joey. 832. Aaron posted: 11.05.2014 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad wasn't at fault here near as much as the Jeff Gordon Fan Club on here wants to think. He had fresher tires and went for it. Gordon, if left the same hole, would've done the same damn thing. Look at slow-mo replays of it. He comes down, Brad doesn't lift. Racing accident. And what of Gordon saying he'd have wrecked Dale Jr., his teammate, to win Martinsville had he been able to catch him? Where's the consistency here? 833. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.05.2014 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It appears that Watkins Glen will be repaved next summer, the first time the track will be repaved since 1998." Was bound too happen. I"m not suprised. It will not take long for the track too age though. 834. joey2448 posted: 11.05.2014 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And what of Gordon saying he'd have wrecked Dale Jr., his teammate, to win Martinsville had he been able to catch him? Where's the consistency here?" The difference between Gordon moving Junior out of the way at M'Ville (had it happened) and Brad moving Gordon at Texas is that both drivers are still title contenders in the latter situation. Gordon wouldn't have had a problem moving Junior at M'Ville because Junior had already been eliminated from the Chase. Gordon was still in the mix for the title when Brad got into him at Texas, so that's where the difference lies. 835. Eric posted: 11.05.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not shocked that Watkin's Glen is getting a repaved. What I am waiting for is tracks that have an older surface than Watkin's Glen get a repaving. I am taking about Dover, Auto Club Speedway and Atlanta. I didn't say Texas because all parts the track was repaved in 2001 due to the changing the asphalt from a limestone based asphalt to a Granite based asphalt. Watkin's Glen to me is going to age fast due to the amount events and racing series go there in a year =and how the winters are there. 836. David posted: 11.05.2014 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The difference between Gordon moving Junior out of the way at M'Ville (had it happened) and Brad moving Gordon at Texas is that both drivers are still title contenders in the latter situation. Gordon wouldn't have had a problem moving Junior at M'Ville because Junior had already been eliminated from the Chase. Gordon was still in the mix for the title when Brad got into him at Texas, so that's where the difference lies." Not to mention that bumping someone out of the way has a probability far less of causing dire consequences at the short tracks. 837. An Aussie Commentator posted: 11.05.2014 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "but I think that both Jeff Gordon and Kevin Harvick should not only have been heavily fined and lost points (a P3 or P4-level penalty would have been appropriate, in terms of monetary fine and points loss), but I think both Harvick and Gordon should have been suspended one race, Harvick for instigating the fight, and Gordon for throwing the punch that hit Keselowski's jaw, because it does appear that Gordon threw that punch" The only way Gordon and Harvick would have been suspended would have been P6 level penalty, which would cause them to drop up to half the chase worth of points. Oh and btw, I am doing a fictional NASCAR race where the drivers who have suffered penalties that result (mostly) in points deductions have issues during the race. I won't be using the racing Reference penalty handouts posted here because if I did, confirming at least 2 drivers (Gordon and Harvick) who you guys would suspend would crash so hard they wind up injured or aggravating an existing injury. 838. Mike posted: 11.05.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) So I have a question. Why are so many posters here (-cough-Hinch77-cough-) so rude to racefangurl? True, not every post she writes is perfect, but I don't see anyone else writing a masterpiece with each post either. Frankly, I think it would be a good thing for RR if a few certain commenters left the site, because the state of these response threads is pathetic. Seems to me that it's about ten percent racing discussion, twenty-five percent whining about how much everyone hates one of the regular punching bags here (Brian France, Danica Patrick, Michael Waltrip, Jimmie Johnson, repeat until we all want to throw up), and sixty-five percent whining about how much everyone hates everyone else here. Maybe the site ought to start requiring passwords and accounts to vote, so that something could be done about the posters who do nothing but stir up shit. 839. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.05.2014 - 9:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One issue with that password and account system, Mike, is that everyone who is attacking eachother or spouting negativity are people that come here often. Almost ALL of us would get the accounts, and then we'd be back in the same routine. 840. racefangurl posted: 11.05.2014 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike, The reason Hinch77's the way he is to me is he thinks my posts are crazy, illogical, stupid and irrational. I think someone's trolling me. Whoever's behind 831. 841. The Crimson King posted: 11.05.2014 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Having an account system doesn't change anything. People just make new accounts when they get kicked off the site. 842. Mike posted: 11.06.2014 - 2:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @Destroyahirismix666: The difference is that accounts can be closed by the webmaster. @The Crimson King: It'd make it harder / more onerous to keep trolling people. 843. Hinch77 posted: 11.06.2014 - 4:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Mike, The reason Hinch77's the way he is to me is he thinks my posts are crazy, illogical, stupid and irrational. I think someone's trolling me. Whoever's behind 831. " I didn't write 831, but I did think it was funny and did click the thumbs-up button multiple times. And I never said I hate racefangurl (unlike Mike's lies indicate), and have actually come to appreciate some of the insight she has brought the last couple of weeks. I just ignore the repetitive posts and move on. 844. Hinch77 posted: 11.06.2014 - 5:01 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) Mike, I believe you are the fourth troll name created just to attack me... somebody is a sad sack. "So I have a question. Why are so many posters here (-cough-Hinch77-cough-) so rude to racefangurl? True, not every post she writes is perfect, but I don't see anyone else writing a masterpiece with each post either. Frankly, I think it would be a good thing for RR if a few certain commenters left the site, because the state of these response threads is pathetic. Seems to me that it's about ten percent racing discussion, twenty-five percent whining about how much everyone hates one of the regular punching bags here (Brian France, Danica Patrick, Michael Waltrip, Jimmie Johnson, repeat until we all want to throw up), and sixty-five percent whining about how much everyone hates everyone else here. Maybe the site ought to start requiring passwords and accounts to vote, so that something could be done about the posters who do nothing but stir up shit. " Let's start by getting rid of you. 845. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.06.2014 - 9:04 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) Don't worry RaceGurl, in two weeks when Joey is holding that Sprint Cup trophy (lost in the craziness of this race, he salvaged a good finish from potential disaster and is the points leader and is really good on lower banked intermediates like Homestead) you will have the last laugh. 846. racefangurl posted: 11.06.2014 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm focused most on Phoenix, as far as NASCAR goes. I'm always read for the next race. After Phoenix, my NASCAR fan part will focus mostly on Homestead. After Homestead, I'll turn that part of me's focus to off-season activities and the 2015 season. I do have a life outside NASCAR fandom. It's about music, church activities, the non-NASCAR books and magazines I like, non-NASCAR websites I go to, basketball(college only, never watched the pros too close), volunteering and fun activities, like this rec group I'm in and bowling, since I joined a league this year. I've also done some job hunting. 847. Scott B posted: 11.06.2014 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "The difference between Gordon moving Junior out of the way at M'Ville (had it happened) and Brad moving Gordon at Texas is that both drivers are still title contenders in the latter situation. Gordon wouldn't have had a problem moving Junior at M'Ville because Junior had already been eliminated from the Chase. Gordon was still in the mix for the title when Brad got into him at Texas, so that's where the difference lies." I don't understand this mentality. The other drivers are just supposed to roll over for the guys in the chase, and not go for the win? If they were laps down, or if it were early in the race, OK, then don't be stupid about racing the contenders hard. But in the closing laps if you have a shot at a win, you take it. Otherwise, why are there still 43 cars in the starting grid? 848. Scott B posted: 11.06.2014 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Not to mention that bumping someone out of the way has a probability far less of causing dire consequences at the short tracks." Speeds are lower, but otherwise no. There is a lot more room to bump someone out of the way and have them recover without crashing than at a narrow one like Martinsville. In particular, there's a lot of danger of someone crashing hard into the inside wall at a track like Martinsville, where the driver's side of the car takes the brunt of the impact. 849. Aaron posted: 11.06.2014 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I wrote 831 and it was meant to be funny. I don't hate any of the people on here, but after reading a slew of racefangurl's simpleton posts that tanked my already-questionable I.Q., I had to make a tongue-in-cheek response. No malice intended. Also, I agree that Logano probably wins it all barring some sort of issue unrelated to his driving. 850. cjs3872 posted: 11.06.2014 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is that a championship prediction, DSFF? While Logano has certainly been consistently the strongest throughout the entirety of the Chase, something in my gut still tells me that he's not yet had a bad race in the Chase, and he may be overdue for something to happen to him, and if it does, it would be coming at the worst possible time. On current form, he's the favorite, but something still tells me that one of the JGR teams, quite possibly the #11 of Denny Hamlin, is going to have something to say about that. After all, we can't forget how strong Hamlin has historically been at Phoenix, and he's won two of the last five at Homestead, including last year's race there. If it comes down to Hamlin against Logano, I would actually give Hamlin the slight edge, based on experience and his overall track record at the two remaining tracks (where Logano's overall track record has been lousy). But counting out Matt Kenseth at this stage is not a good idea, either, and for the same reason Hamlin is a strong pick at this time. But I'm not sure I'd put my chips on the #22 team under pressure, because they've cracked under pressure before. Let's not forget that Logano should have cruised into the Chase last year, and had the worst race in his two years at Penske at Richmond and nearly missed the Chase. So whether that team can perform under pressure is a big question mark at this time. If it came down to that, believe it or not, I would pick the 2, 20, or 24 teams, though something tells me that Jimmy Fennig might also have something up his sleeve. Remember that Fennig won the first Chase in 2004 with Kurt Busch, and he's still got a shot to go out a champion in the first year of the new, revamped Chase, and give Carl Edwards a much-deserved championship. Keep this in mind, of the eight crew chiefs with a shot at the title, only three have won one, those three being Paul Wolfe, Jimmy Fennig, and Darian Grubb (with Tony Stewart in 2011). So that experience and know how might come in handy in these final two races. After all, Wolfe's experience in the heat of a championship battle was one reason why Brad contended with what had been a bad car, because of the call he made that put Keselowski in the lead. Can the five other crew chiefs who have not yet won a title come through with such a call? I think we already know the answer to that, as it concerns Jeff Gordon's crew chief, Alan Gustafson, but what about the other four crew chiefs that are without a title that could still win it this year, the crew chiefs of the 4, 20, 22, and 31 cars, because I think a crew chief's tactical decision may well decide who advances, and who doesn't, as well as who wins it all, and that's where Brad has the big advantage, if he gets in. Of the eight crew chiefs left with a shot at the title, Brad's is the best of the bunch (even better than Jimmy Fennig), and that may prove to be the difference. 851. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.06.2014 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is that a championship prediction, DSFF?" It's not a prediction, its a spoiler. With Brad, Jeff, Kevin, and Denny focused on fighting and running their mouths, they will be too distracted. That leaves Joey's competition as Newman, Kenseth, and Carl. None have the intermediate strength to get to Joey at Homestead. 852. racefangurl posted: 11.06.2014 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Thought 831 looked like a troll post. 853. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.06.2014 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "It's not a prediction, its a spoiler. With Brad, Jeff, Kevin, and Denny focused on fighting and running their mouths, they will be too distracted. That leaves Joey's competition as Newman, Kenseth, and Carl. None have the intermediate strength to get to Joey at Homestead." I'm with DSFF here. If all Joey has too worry about at Homestead is the 99, 20 and 31. Joey has it made. BUT, if Jeff or Brad or Kevin make it too Homestead then Joeys live get alittle harder. Now if ALL 3 make it too Homestead? Then ladies and gents; i call toss-up. If it goes the way DSFF is "spoilling" us, then it is Joeys race/championship too lose. 854. The Long Shot posted: 11.06.2014 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Erik Jones, as expected, will run full-time in Trucks next year for JGR/KBM, as well as a limited Xfinity Series schedule. However, perhaps the biggest and potentially most telling news from today was a simple three-word tweet from Bob Pockrass, responding to someone asking whether Bubba would be out at JGR or whether he would move up to Xfinity: "Depends on sponsorship". (And before someone tells me that I'm looking at this too deeply, let me remind you of this: nothing should "come down to sponsorship" with a driver such as Wallace. Never. Seagal's report from earlier this week may be much more accurate than we initially thought.) 855. cjs3872 posted: 11.06.2014 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With the points what they are, and give how the teams run at Phoenix, I don't think Jeff makes it through since he's general struggled at Phoenix since the reconfiguration and is only one point to the good. and I still have this feeling that something's overdue to happen to Joey Logano that may knock him out, plus I'm not sure about that team's ability to respond to pressure. I actually think there's a good chance that both Brad and Kevin make it through. I see one of them winning and the other getting enough points to make it. And I'm not sure about Ryan Newman either. He's been incredibly lucky so far, and like Logano, I think it's a question of whether his luck's going to run out. And Carl Edwards can't be counted out, since he has run well at Phoenix since the reconfiguration, and Matt Kenseth is Matt Kenseth. I actually think there could be another wholesale shift, just as there was as a result of the events at Texas, and I think the crew chiefs play into this and I wouldn't be surprised if as any as three of the current top four are left out after the race at Phoenix, and I think Jeff Gordon is one of those that will be left out, and Joey Logano could be another, with the 2 and 4 cars getting in, with one winning and the other getting in on points. 856. Baker posted: 11.06.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I love seeing all the fighting. I love seeing that 2 winless drivers have a shot to win it all to expose this joke system, I love that I can see the start of the fall of NASCAR. I can't wait until Sprints are back on TV and the sport I watch is no longer corrupt at the top. I might have lied about not watching a race this year bc if Joey gets to Homestead I will watch. Only for the simple reason that I was one of the few to stand behind Joey all through his rough years knowing he would someday make it big. 857. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.06.2014 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If Joey does make it big this year, I'll be sad. Because while I also always believed he would have a solid career once he got stuff ironed out (That pocono victory over Martin a few years back proved it to me), it's a shame to see him win a 'shampionship' in this f*cked up system we have now. 858. Walter White posted: 11.07.2014 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So was there a race on Sunday? I remember hearing about a fight. But did a race actually happen? 859. Cornys posted: 11.07.2014 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) ^ Well, cars went around TMS. A race? That could be a matter of one's own opinion of what a race is. (???) Anyways, I was referring to IndyCar having a chance in a decade or more to become more popular than NASCAR. Short term, that goal is almost inconceivable. I am curious why NASCAR thinks less HP is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That will certainly draw in their target audience (wait, it's actually counter productive with what the fans want *scratches head* ) Why does IndyCar have this potential? 1. Better management 2. More tradition 3. Shorter Races 4. Shorter Season 5. More financial growth to be obtained 6. New growth opportunities (Louisiana for example on the '15 schedule) 7. International appeal (World progressively becomes more interconnected + Brazil race in '15) 8. Demographic shift that is in process in the US and Worldwide 9. Ability to go directly into big cities without great investment. 10. More legitimate racing 11. Improving competition 12. Lower Expectations (easier to meet them) 13. Less greedy 14. Reduced Competition (Formula 1 seems to be declining financially due to mismanagement) That's just a quick list off of the top of my head. These won't all materialize all at once, but they are already starting to be felt. Still, the series doesn't hold a candle to NASCAR as it is today. We'll see how this changes. The best thing for both series's would be great competition between the two big North American racing leagues. This currently does not exist. 860. Walter White posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:42 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) In my opinion there was no race just a circus accompanied by a sinking ship. Texas is the worst track to be in the Chase by far. Put a road course in. Road Atlanta anyone? Btw anyone who insults racefangurl will be dealing with my fists ;) Hands off she is MINE 861. racefangurl posted: 11.07.2014 - 10:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can stand up for myself, but anyone else that wants to, it's fine. This Chase has created some drama, as Phoenix will determine all of the Final Four. I think Edwards will be eliminated, likely, but points are so close, it's hard to say. The only way Edwards will make it to the Four if Kenseth, Hamlin and Newman have trouble and slip behind him and at least one of the two drivers behind him stays behind him. Earlier this fall, Biffle said Roush was working on their aerodynamic issues and mentioned thinking they were starting to fix it, as he was better at Michigan2 than Michigan1. Edwards had a bad car so any improvement's been small, but change takes time. Maybe they'll do better next year, with Trevor able to communicate how to make his car better. They handled better when they had Kenseth and he could do that, so maybe it'll help to have Trevor in the Cup. Someone said they found something in Nationwide awhile back. I have an Internet friend that's a Roush fan and between her other interest/things going on in her life and all the things that bother her about NASCAR, she's less interested than she was. I wonder if her favorite team not being good while another team with the same engines is a dominant team bothers her. 862. racefangurl posted: 11.07.2014 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The old Chase would have the same leader, but with a bigger lead. 863. Anonymous posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch is being investigated for allegedly attacking his girlfriend inside their motorhome back at Dover in September. 864. David posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Breaking: allegations of domestic violence have been made against Kurt Busch at Dover. 865. murb posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Unfortunately, if this is true, I'm not really surprised at all that Kurt would be involved in a situation like this. It's a shame. 866. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I am curious why NASCAR thinks less HP is the greatest thing since sliced bread." And reducing downforce front and rear by 10%. But nevermind that because people didn't read the whole press release about the rules next year. 867. murb posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, I can't imagine the field day the mainstream media is gonna have with this. The Ward incident, multiple fights on pit road in recent weeks, and now this. Ugh. I obviously absolutely do not support what Kurt did whatsoever (if this is true - I have no reason to believe it isn't), but wow, are they ever going to go after Nascar in the media now with this. 868. The Long Shot posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh boy. Obviously we need to wait before making any accusations, but if there was one guy who I thought would be capable of this, it would be Kurt Busch. "I'm afraid we may have to wait until Jimmie Johnson or someone with similar magnitude beats his wife/her husband (looking at you, Danica) for the media to start putting the pressure on France." I literally just posted this on Saturday. Guess I'm now the resident prophet of RR. 869. racefangurl posted: 11.07.2014 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon and Joey Logano have been the best drivers this year. In a perfect world, both would survive Phoenix and be in the Homestead fight. 870. The Crimson King posted: 11.07.2014 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This probably makes me a terrible person, but I'll share this anyway. The first thing I thought of when I heard it was Kurt Busch was "Why couldn't it be his brother instead?" 871. murb posted: 11.07.2014 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now there's a bunch of rumors going around that Kurt's girlfriend just fabricated all of this and is trying to get money out of him or whatever. So I don't know. No facts really at all right now. I guess we'll see what happens next. 872. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 11.07.2014 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I find these rumors a bit difficult to believe. You waited HOW LONG to submit any type of report? 873. dennyfan11 posted: 11.07.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Woah. 874. Cornys posted: 11.08.2014 - 9:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""I am curious why NASCAR thinks less HP is the greatest thing since sliced bread." "And reducing downforce front and rear by 10%. "But nevermind that because people didn't read the whole press release about the rules next year." Read the entire thing last month. Reducing downforce is great, but the horsepower thing isn't a good marketing decision at all. 875. Anthony posted: 08.05.2015 - 2:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 7 straight debris cautions, must be a record 876. Anthony posted: 09.07.2016 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Everything's bigger in Texas, including the number of debris cautions - 7 n a row! I guess the only way they keep fans interested is to have lots of double file restarts. 877. JG24ChasElliottFan posted: 09.07.2016 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As one person stated earlier in the comments, this race was seriously atrocious. Numerous debris cautions in a row which led to drivers staying out on two tires and coming out of nowhere to make up spots and run up front, plus the big shake-up in points and the brawl on pit road afterwards. What a mess this race was. 878. kandle posted: 03.20.2017 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The race that Jeff Gordon was likely going to win, which would have put him into the championship round, where he most likely would have won Homestead with car he had, thus getting that championship. And obviously under the old points system he was the best car all season long. I watched this live, haven't watched it since, and have no desire to. That's how much it stings. And of course, in the offseason NASCAR completely changes this rules package to some bullshit one and Jeff has a pretty mediocre season although his performance during the 2015 Chase made up for it. Blah. 879. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2019 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Brad tweeting about this race. Thread- a backstory from my point of view because this gets brought up every time we go to Texas. First- The brawl When getting out of the car, I saw Jeff coming and knew he was probably upset we rubbed on the track. What I didn't know was that he cut a tire down and lost a lap resulting in a bad finish. So I didn't get his level of frustration at all at the time. While Jeff was speaking, at least 3 other people were talking/yelling to me at the same time. You can see the 3 at the start of the video, Michael Ribas (pr rep), Jamie little (ESPN) & Brett McMillan (PRN radio). In the process my ears were still ringing from the race as well. To be honest, I only heard about every other word of what Jeff was saying. I knew it wasn't pretty but when he threw his arm up, I thought he was done, he had blown of his steam over minor contact and life goes on; so I turned back to the other people talking to me (TV/Radio). Then the push happened... and next thing we knew it was a pile of bodies. I remember thinking, ?don't throw a punch or you'll get suspended.? I was rightfully under probation for losing my cool at Charlotte a few weeks prior and anything else would have made it worse. Make no mistake this was a team brawl, but the weird part was that it wasn't the 2 team vs the 24. Their were multiple teams involved and I'm pretty sure the 5 team was pulling on me. I still don't get this till this day... Second- The move A few weeks prior, Kasey Khane made that same move at Atlanta to win the race. I remember studying it and thinking it was pretty sweet. The week before this we broke a gear in Martinsville and it was clear we had to win 1 of the next 2 races to advance to championship round. When Jeff opened up his entry to 1 and left the same gap Kasey had took a few weeks prior, I knew it was my chance. At the time when we made contact, I was mad. I still believe their was room to make the move and for all of us to get through. Without contact, we would have won the race and Jeff would have finished in the top-5. We both would have went to Homestead for a championship. We were on a little fresher tires from the pit sequence and screaming fast at the end of the race. However, The damage from the contact to my car was enough to slow it down immensely to where we couldn't pass the 48. We finished 3rd. Not enough to move on. To this day I still get a few angry tweets from fans of Jeff. But I still think it was the right move for my team and will stand behind it 100 % I also understand a lot better now then in the moment, why it made Jeff so upset. In the end, Harvick went on to dominate in Phoenix and win in Homestead to render this moment irrelevant to the championship outcome. But it's fun to wonder what if... Its also interesting to see how team Brawls continue to evolve in NASCAR. For better or worse. 880. Mile501 posted: 11.01.2019 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @879 - Interesting thoughts. I wouldn't agree with Brad that the moment was ultimately irrelevant to the championship outcome, however. Jeff Gordon had the dominant car at Homestead until some poor pit strategy during a late caution. Had he been in the championship four, I feel like they would have played the strategy differently, and Gordon may well have won his 5th championship 13 years after winning his 4th. 881. Wil posted: 11.01.2019 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting thoughts. His move did look basically identical to the restart move that Kahne used to win and make the chase in Atlanta with. It just so happened that there wasn't quite enough room, there was contact and Jeff blew a tire. Unfortunate racing deal, and Jeff had a right to be mad as it ruined his shot at a title. But I really respect Brad for never changing his style. Everyone in the Nascar world hated him in 2014, and he never flinched. 882. TheDewCrew posted: 03.05.2020 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Final race for Aflac in NASCAR. Another favorite childhood sponsor that left the sport 883. SweetRich posted: 03.05.2020 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commentators for the race were Allen Bestwick, Dale Jarrett and Andy Petree with Jerry Punch, Dave Burns, Vince Welch and Jamie Little on pit road. 884. Rich posted: 04.24.2021 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joining the race coverage from the quicken loans ESPN pit studio were Nicole Briscoe, Brad Daugherty and Rusty Wallace. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: