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  1.   Anonymous posted:
  02.15.2015 - 2:49 pm
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Woo


  2.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:08 pm
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Cue the conspiracy theorists in 3, 2, 1...


  3.   Everyday NASCAR posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:09 pm
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It's rigged y'all


  4.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:11 pm
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Well, motorsports is back! Daytona is the place to be at the start of
the year...

...I have always been a bit unmoved about NASCAR but recently (maybe
I've grown up???!!! That would be weird...) but actually it's quite a
cool series with a lot of history, although it has been modernised
pretty horribly recently...

...anyway, great to see Jeff Gordon on pole in his final season of
NASCAR before he retires. No doubting he's a legend.

And I don't care about conspiracies...


  5.   joey2448 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:12 pm
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Jeff Gordon wins the pole in his final Daytona 500. Quite a storybook
ending.

Drivers heavily criticized NASCAR for the introduction of group
qualifying for this race. Clint Bowyer was involved in a wreck with Reed
Sorenson, J.J. Yeley and Bobby Labonte in the opening session, and
Bowyer gave quite a rant on live TV, saying it's stupid to be even doing
this in the first place. Later on, Ryan Newman and Kurt Busch got in on
the NASCAR-bashing.

As for me, a die-hard 24 fan....YYEEESSSSSS!!!!


  6.   1995z71 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:14 pm
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This was embarrassing to watch, NASCAR really screwed qualifying up.


  7.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:14 pm
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Yes but Bowyer rammed Sorenson out of qualifying having been stuck
behind his damaged car, he was probably not in a good mood at the time...


  8.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:15 pm
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Budweiser Duel starting lineups:

#1

Row 1: 24-Gordon, 11-Hamlin
Row 2: 18-Busch, 19-Edwards
Row 3: 3-Dillon, 1-McMurray
Row 4: 83-Sauter, 6-Bayne
Row 5: 43-Almirola, 2-Keselowski
Row 6: 22-Logano, 23-Yeley
Row 7: 27-Menard, 47-Allmendinger
Row 8: 4-Harvick, 14-Stewart
Row 9: 13-Mears, 46-Annett
Row 10: 42-Larson, 95-McDowell
Row 11: 15-Bowyer, 29-Marks
Row 12: 35-Whitt, 40-Cassill
Row 13: 30-Hornaday Jr.

#2

Row 1: 48-Johnson, 20-Kenseth
Row 2: 5-Kahne, 33-Dillon
Row 3: 88-Earnhardt Jr., 78-Truex Jr.
Row 4: 16-Biffle, 9-Hornish Jr.
Row 5: 17-Stenhouse Jr., 21-Blaney
Row 6: 55-Waltrip, 32-Labonte
Row 7: 7-Bowman, 31-Newman
Row 8: 41-Busch, 10-Patrick
Row 9: 62-Scott, 51-Allgaier
Row 10: 38-Gilliland, 26-Burton
Row 11: 44-Sorenson, 34-Ragan
Row 12: 98-Wise, 66-Wallace

First career Sprint Cup attempt for Jeb Burton, and the first for Ron
Hornaday since the 2003 season finale at Homestead.


  9.   Ivan Balakhonov posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:16 pm
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I am absolutely disgusted with what I saw today. I hope NASCAR will
listen to the fans and to the drivers. This nonsense must stop.

As for Sorenson/Bowyer incident. Yes, it was Reed's fault. But what else
he was supposed to do? He wasn't locked in, and he was desperate to
advance as far as possible in the group qualification, so giving way to
Clint and cars behind was out of question for him. Too bad Reed got his
fender bent when leaving the pits, it cost him too dearly.

Was laughing when Michael Waltrip started raving about how fans loved
this knockout format. How do you know, Mickey?


  10.   JP88 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:16 pm
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I agree 100% with Bowyer...that was a joke to watch.

If they are going to do this they have to make rules about how long
before you have to pass the start/finish line


  11.   1995z71 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:20 pm
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Withdrew #87 Joe Nemechek


  12.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:20 pm
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Yeley and Labonte did not attempt times in the second round due to their
cars being damaged in a 5-car accident that also involved Reed Sorenson,
Clint Bowyer and Denny Hamlin. Sorenson does not have a backup car for
the 500, and thus will be forced to withdraw unless another option can
be found.

Withdrew: 87-Joe Nemechek (Sponsor = DAB Constructors/SWM International,
Owner = Joe Nemechek, Make = Chevrolet)


  13.   Jeff24Fan posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:21 pm
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@9 I think Mickey was talking about those fans who just watch racing for
wrecks. Mostly NASCAR.Com Fans


  14.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:25 pm
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"@9 I think Mickey was talking about those fans who just watch racing
for wrecks. Mostly NASCAR.Com Fans"

Sadly, I'm sure there are quite a few people happy about this new
qualifying format because it led to a big wreck. Although funnily enough
as I mentioned on the Sprint Unlimited page, there was someone there who
left a comment saying they were so disgusted with this qualifying format
that they were done with the sport for good...let's see how long THAT
lasts...


  15.   Brad R. posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:25 pm
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If cars are just going to sit on pit road during qualifying, maybe they
should just do a blind draw for the starting positions for a race.


  16.   Ed posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:25 pm
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Don't look too much into Ragan at 44th. The wreck screwed him a bit.
He'll race his way in


  17.   Anonymous posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:29 pm
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Congrats to Chase Elliott for winning the 2016 Daytona 500 pole.


  18.   Sarf52 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:29 pm
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Kudos to Bowyer for saying what needed to be said. This qualifying
format on super speedways is dangerous and stupid. The duels are in
place for a reason. Daytona 500 front row qualifying should be single
car runs and the excitement should be saved for the duel races, like it
always has been. No blame can be shouldered by Sorenson, he drives for
an underfunded team desperate to make the race, and was trying whatever
he could to find speed, but rather NASCAR should take full blame for
this pitiful display of "racing."


  19.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:32 pm
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Fastest pole speed for the 500 since Bill Elliott's 210 MPH lap in 1987,
before the introduction of the restrictor plates.


  20.   Aaron posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:34 pm
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How many people on here are Gordon fans? Like 80%? Genuine question.


  21.   Brad Keselowski & Bubba Wallace Fan posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:42 pm
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"If cars are just going to sit on pit road during qualifying, maybe they
should just do a blind draw for the starting positions for a race."

I've been saying that for a while. If we really want to get rid of
"boring" qualifying (and I personally don't have a problem with it, as
it always gave me a chance to check out the new paint schemes), then
have heat races set by blind draw or practice speeds. This is ludicrous.

"How many people on here are Gordon fans? Like 80%? Genuine question."

I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but the love comes from the fact that he's
been in the sport so long & has accomplished so much. It's respect.

Damn shame that Team Xtreme doesn't have a backup. Hopefully they can
find something.


  22.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:42 pm
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I'm nobody's fan, just acknowledge how good Gordon is. Same for a lot of
the grid tbh. Good field.

@17 *sigh*


  23.   JRacingFast posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:43 pm
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17. Anonymous posted:
02.15.2015 - 3:29 pm
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Congrats to Chase Elliott for winning the 2016 Daytona 500 pole.

Not sure if thats a bold statement are is whats most likely to
happen.....The magic plate sure makes its way around and Chevys streak
of poles in the 500 continues


  24.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.15.2015 - 3:48 pm
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A farce. As I expected.
The first one I missed since 2003 and I really don't think it was a bad
idea.
Anyway, congratulations to the 2 BK crapwagons soundly making it in,
especially Sauter. lel @ Ron


  25.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:05 pm
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"How many people on here are Gordon fans? Like 80%? Genuine question."


I'm not exactly a fan of Jeff but I admire and respect him for all he's
accomplished in the sport throughout his career, so it's good to see him
get his final season off to a good start with the Daytona 500 poll.


  26.   racefangurl posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:08 pm
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I'm not a true Gordon fan, but I live with a fan of his. I respect him
and think he's a Hall of Fame lock. I guess Daytona's a Chevy fan, the
way they win poles lately.


  27.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:12 pm
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I hate Gordon as a driver. However, his pole is not something like
Dillon's or Danica's was, he can earn poles on merit literally
everywhere and it should not be a surprise that he is on pole.
So yeah, after 2 years of (I think) fixed Daytona qualifying, I take my
tinfoil hat off this time and think Jeff earned his pole.


  28.   murb posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:13 pm
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"I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but the love comes from the fact that he's
been in the sport so long & has accomplished so much. It's respect."

This for me too, and probably most everyone else on here. When it comes
to actual diehard Gordon fans, I think there's actually a lot less on
here than it actually seems.


  29.   Anonymous posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:45 pm
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using the arca qualifying format of 7 groups of cars would have been
more sensible


  30.   murb posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Moving on to the Duels, I think those JGR cars are gonna be extremely
strong. I really like one of Carl, Kyle, or Denny to win that first
Duel, and I also think Kenseth will have a really good shot in that
second Duel (though Johnson, Jr, and Kahne are all in there too, so they
might be unstoppable if they all stay together the entire race).

In the Daytona 500 though, I'm still sticking with Keselowski as my
pick. I'm still not a fan of him anymore like I was in 2011/2012 (I
probably never will be again - for the rest of his career it just seems
like he's gonna be one of those Stewart/Harvick type drivers that I just
constantly fluctuate my opinion on), but after all the stuff that
happened with him at the end of last year, I seriously think he's just
gonna come out and get it done this year, all across the board. He
proved last Fall at Talladega that he can be an absolute beast on these
plate tracks when he wants to, and he showed some serious muscle last
night in the Unlimited before he got crashed. So when you add all that
up, as well as having Logano and possibly Blaney as his wingmen (as long
as Joey doesn't push him into the wall, lol), he's definitely still my
pick for the 500 (and the championship, but whatever - obviously that's
a long way away).

As far as darkhorses for the 500, I'm REALLY liking Martin Truex Jr. He
was maybe the fastest car in the Unlimited, he'll probably be in the mix
with the Hendrick cars and Kenseth in the second Duel, and perhaps most
importantly, he has to be ridiculously hungry for a big win after all
he's been through over the past couple of years (what with the MWR
debacle, as well as his girlfriend's illness). So I think he's easily
the leader of the darkhorses at this point.


  31.   racefangurl posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:53 pm
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I kind of like Martin Truex, Jr and Watto once said "Martin Truex, Jr.
is my favorite driver" I hope Watto comes to this board and sees what
Murb said. I'd be happy if Truex won (or any driver I like for that
matter).


  32.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:54 pm
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" 2. The Long Shot posted:
02.15.2015 - 3:08 pm
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Cue the conspiracy theorists in 3, 2, 1... "

Read "Declarations of Stock Car Independents," "The Ghosts of NASCAR,"
and Betty Boles Ellison's "The Early Laps of Stock Car Racing: A History
of the Sport and Business Through 1974."


  33.   joey2448 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:56 pm
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The 88 and 11 have failed NASCAR post-qualifying inspection. The 88 was
too low on the left front, and the 11 had a track bar violation. Their
times were disallowed, so Earnhardt Jr. will start 25th in Thursday's
Duel No. 1 and Hamlin will start 24th in Duel No. 2


  34.   Tinfoil-Hat Wearer posted:
  02.15.2015 - 4:58 pm
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NASCAR is rigged. Why else would Jeff Gordon win the pole in his final
Daytona 500? They gave him no restrictor plate! Same with Danica Patrick
winning the pole in 2013 and Austin Dillon in 2014. And why else would
Aric Almirola win the Coke Zero 400 on the 30th anniversary of Richard
Petty's win? That's right, it's RIGGED. Would they REALLY have stopped
the race if say Jimmie Johnson was leading? NO! Richard Petty's win was
rigged too! Why else did Cale Yarborough slip-up on the final lap of the
race? They told him to ease off and let Petty by! And why did Steve Park
win the first race after Earnhardt's death? RIGGING! Same with Kevin
Harvick winning in his 3rd start in Earnhardt's car. Did anyone raise
any eyebrows when Michael Waltrip, driving the 15, won Daytona 10 years
to the day of Earnhardt's death? Well they should have, 'cause it's
RIGGED! Or when there was a huge fistfight on the first live, flag-to
flag Daytona 500? That was rigged too! If you name a coincidence or
miracle in NASCAR, It's probably rigged. This is all part of Obama's
master plan to ruin our lives. Bring back Clinton!


  35.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:00 pm
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^Dude, that's not even a good attempt at wearing a tinfoil hat. You went
from playing devil's advocate to...

Damn, I lost a few IQ points there...


  36.   murb posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:02 pm
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"The 88 and 11 have failed NASCAR post-qualifying inspection."

Wow. That might actually shake the Duels up quite a bit. The three car
JGR monster in the first Duel and the three car HMS monster in the
second Duel will be broken up, at least for the first parts of those races.


  37.   Aaron posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:10 pm
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Speedweeks 2015 has thus far sucked for Dale Jr. Of course, the races
are all that matter.


  38.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:19 pm
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I'll admit that while I like this new style of qualifying, I new after
last year's spring 'Dega race that it just doesn't work at all for the
Plate tracks, and to a lesser extent, I feel it doesn't work for the
bigger, faster 1.5-2 milers like Texas, Charlotte, Altanta, California,
and Michigan.
While I despise Bowyer for numerous reasons, every single point he
brought up was correct. That incident wasn't his or Sorenson's fault,
but NASCAR's. A virtual Start-and-parker or backmarker shouldn't have to
do stupid moves to jeopardize the rest of the field (Well, no one should
have to do that, but even more so for the ones in the back).
Good job to Gordon and Johnson, and I do feel that this pole is alot
less suspicious then the polls of the last few years (Jr, Danica,
Dillon). But like all of them, we have no evidence one way or another.
Gordon IS handy with the draft and that organization has had strong
Daytona cars for years. Seemed more like good strategy execution then
forgery to me.


  39.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:31 pm
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#34 So, basically, every important milestone or accomplishment in NASCAR
history is the result of it being rigged. Right...

That's not even a GOOD satire post.


  40.   Sector posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:45 pm
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Jeff Gordon's 78th career pole & his second in a row, dating back to the
season finale race at Homestead of last year. Hendrick Motorsports'
201st pole.


  41.   JG24FanForever posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:53 pm
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Gordon now has 19 more Poles than anyone else in the Modern era. Darrell
Waltrip originally held the record at 59 in 809 starts, David Pearson
had 58 in 206 starts, for the best percentage in the Modern age.


  42.   Dawson posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:56 pm
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Anyone heard what the 44 is going to do


  43.   racefangurl posted:
  02.15.2015 - 5:58 pm
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Was every miracle in NASCAR a conspiracy? I don't believe that for a
second! I thought someone said the 2011 Daytona 500 couldn't be
scripted. They called that a NASCAR miracle somewhere.


  44.   StenhouseFan17 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 6:01 pm
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Locked in the 2015 Daytona 500:

Front row
1) Jeff Gordon
2) Jimmie Johnson

Qualifying speed*
33) Aric Almirola
34) Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.
35) Carl Edwards
36) Jamie McMurray

Owner points
37) Kevin Harvick
38) Ryan Newman
39) Denny Hamlin
40) Joey Logano
41) Brad Keselowski
42) Matt Kenseth

Past champion provisional
43) Tony Stewart

*Qualifying speeds locked in are regardless of qualifying session.


  45.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.15.2015 - 6:13 pm
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I have maintained this position for some time now: completely denying
any possibility of NASCAR being rigged is shallow. Assuming that it's
rigged is even more so.

Then again, nobody on here has seriously suggested Gordon's pole was
rigged, so I'm not sure why I bothered to elaborate.


  46.   MAR posted:
  02.15.2015 - 6:16 pm
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Nascar skrews its self again with a dumb qualifying format.


  47.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.15.2015 - 6:21 pm
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NASCAR isn't going too fine Tony or Clint for their post quing comments.


  48.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 6:24 pm
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Wait, post #44 confused me. So who would be next in life after those
drivers?


  49.   Dodge posted:
  02.15.2015 - 6:49 pm
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@42 Saw that the 44 team is trying to get a backup car done and sent
down. Time will tell though.


  50.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.15.2015 - 7:20 pm
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Danica's 32nd in speed/28th in owner pts.
She's not out of the woods.

There's drivers below her in speed/pts like the Front Row Davids and
Mike Wallace that can easily finish in the top 15 on Thursday.


  51.   Seagal posted:
  02.15.2015 - 7:48 pm
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I'm not sure if the near collision between the 2 and the 20 posse was an
intentional block or not, but some drivers seemed to think so (Junior,
Brendan Gaughan, etc). If so, that was a real d*** move by Keselowski.
If not, his spotter needs a smack in the face.


  52.   racefangurl posted:
  02.15.2015 - 7:49 pm
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Trevor Bayne's out of the Woods. Refers to him no longer the Wood
Brothers driver.


  53.   Nascar24Fan posted:
  02.15.2015 - 7:50 pm
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@34 Obviously a Troll :/


  54.   JRacingFast posted:
  02.15.2015 - 8:18 pm
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I agree with Kurt Busch in his interview on what NASCAR should do for
qualifying for this race....I think they should have it be similar to
the indy 500 with the fastest 4 lap avergage and then why not have the
top 12 go out and run again to reset it....That would be a fun way to
set the field plus gives teams and the guys who build the cars bragging
rights...


  55.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  02.15.2015 - 8:42 pm
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Qualifying speed*
33) Aric Almirola
34) Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.
35) Carl Edwards
36) Jamie McMurray

Would Edwards, Kyle Busch, Ty Dillon, and Austin Dillon be locked in by
speed ?


  56.   StenhouseFan17 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 8:47 pm
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@ #48

Next six in on speed
#55 Michael Waltrip (Round 1)
#18 Kyle Busch (Round 1)
#3 Austin Dillon (Round 2)
#5 Kasey Kahne (Round 1)
#33 Ty Dillon (Round 2)
#78 Martin Truex, Jr. (Round 2)

Next six in on owner points
#88 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (8th in 2014)
#6 Trevor Bayne (9th in 2014)
#18 Kyle Busch (10th in 2014)
#41 Kurt Busch (12th in 2014)
#47 A.J. Allmendinger (13th in 2014)
#16 Greg Biffle (14th in 2014)

Next two in on past champion provisional
#41 Kurt Busch (2004)
#32 Bobby Labonte (2000)


  57.   StenhouseFan17 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 8:51 pm
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@ #55 No, the qualifying speeds that are locked in are regardless of
qualifying round. Almirola, Stenhouse, Edwards, and McMurray posted the
fastest four speeds of the day in Round 1B.

You can see where Kyle Busch and the Dillon Bros. stack up on my "next
six in" post #56.


  58.   epzik8 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 10:13 pm
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It's shaping up to be another good Speedweeks. A crash-filled Sprint
Unlimited with an underdog team finishing second and two angry drivers
at the end, a crash during the first-ever Daytona 500 knockout
qualifying, Jeff Gordon winning the pole in his final 500 start and Dale
Jr. failing inspection. I can't wait for more practice sessions, the
Duels, the truck and Xfinity races and the 500.


  59.   epzik8 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 10:14 pm
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By the way, I'm not saying I'm happy that Dale Jr. failed inspection, I
just thought it was worth mentioning since he's NASCAR's most popular
driver.


  60.   Aaron posted:
  02.15.2015 - 10:14 pm
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I don't see how Dale Jr. failing inspection makes it a good Speedweeks.


  61.   Anonymous posted:
  02.15.2015 - 10:31 pm
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For Dale Jr, it looks like 2009 and 2010 all over again. The way people
are talking, he won't win this year and he'll be lucky to finish in the
top 20 in the points. I hope that they're wrong.


  62.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.15.2015 - 10:33 pm
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Meh Jr failing post tech isn't that big of a deal just means he has to
start at the back for the duels. Yes I know he dosen't have a speed to
fall back on now, but based on where he was in points the only way he'd
miss the 500 would be if he had trouble in his duel AND Harvick, Newman,
Hamlin, Lagano, Keselowski, and Kenseth all had trouble as well. Also he
would need either Stewart, Kurt, or Bobby to use the PCP since if the
PCP went unused the last spot would be awarded to the next highest in
owners points last year not locked in which would be Jr.

If any big name driver is in trouble it's Danica. I honestly think
theres a 50/50 chance she misses the race. She just doesn't have the
speed or the points to fall back on. One wrong move by her and she's done.


  63.   Anonymous posted:
  02.15.2015 - 10:33 pm
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I posted #61, dislike it 100 or 1000 times if you want to, if it will
make you feel so big and bad. I don't know what to do about people
saying Dale Jr sucks anymore. He doesn't.


  64.   Anonymous posted:
  02.15.2015 - 10:36 pm
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I just want to know who is disliking everything I post. Whoever is
disliking everything I post let me know, I just want to know who is
doing it. I guarantee this will be disliked at least 10 times it may be
disliked 100 or more times.


  65.   JG24FanForever posted:
  02.16.2015 - 1:53 am
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It's been a long time since there was a "Greatest ever list". so I feel
like making a Top 25 greatest Cup drivers list.

-1. David Pearson
-2. Dale Earnhardt
-3. Richard Petty
-4. Jeff Gordon
-5. Bobby Allison
-6. Jimmie Johnson
-7. Darrell Waltrip
-8. Cale Yarborough
-9. Herb Thomas
10. Tim Flock
11. Tony Stewart
12. Junior Johnson
13. Lee Petty
14. Ned Jarrett
15. Rusty Wallace
16. Buck Baker
17. Bill Elliott
18. Terry Labonte
19. Fireball Roberts
20. Curtis Turner
21. Dale Jarrett
22. Fred Lorenzen
23. Matt Kenseth
24. Joe Weatherly
25. Bobby Isaac


  66.   Ivan Balakhonov posted:
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42. Dawson posted:
02.15.2015 - 5:56 pm
"Anyone heard what the 44 is going to do"

---

According to the team's twitter they are in process of bringing backup
car to Daytona. I can only hope Reed will not destroy it on Thursday,
trying to made it in. I still hope he is able to make the field, though.


  67.   Ivan Balakhonov posted:
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I believe this idea had been brought for discussion in the past, but
yesterday Parker Kligerman reintroduced it. What about single car
qualifying runs for D500 but without restrictor plates? This format will
reward the best engine and car builders as well as the best drivers, for
handling definitely will be an issue. Alas, NASCAR won't even consider it.


  68.   BMan0213 posted:
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"I believe this idea had been brought for discussion in the past, but
yesterday Parker Kligerman reintroduced it. What about single car
qualifying runs for D500 but without restrictor plates? This format will
reward the best engine and car builders as well as the best drivers, for
handling definitely will be an issue. Alas, NASCAR won't even consider it."

While that sounds like a good idea I think it's really borderline
suicidal. I remember Rusty did a test a Dega without a plate back in
about 04 and was clocked around 228 MPH. My guess is with these cars
being even more aerodynamic then they were 10 years ago they would
probably hit somewhere around the 240-250 mph range which imo is too
fast even for a single car run.


  69.   Hinch77 posted:
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"While that sounds like a good idea I think it's really borderline
suicidal. I remember Rusty did a test a Dega without a plate back in
about 04 and was clocked around 228 MPH. My guess is with these cars
being even more aerodynamic then they were 10 years ago they would
probably hit somewhere around the 240-250 mph range which imo is too
fast even for a single car run. "

The fastest a NASCAR has ever done is 247 (248?) mph in the 10-mile run
at the Bonneville Salt Flats. They would NEVER hit that speed on a
closed circuit.


  70.   Nathan8848 posted:
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Is Reed partly to blame for this: Yes.

Qualifying isn't supposed to be the most the exciting thing. It's just
to see who has the fastest car with no help from other drivers.


  71.   racefangurl posted:
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I'm not too afraid of the Duels. My favorite drivers will mostly likely
get in the race on points, so I'm living in bliss now. I wonder how
they'll do and if anyone will race their way in then.


  72.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.16.2015 - 9:24 am
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Any bold predictions on who will miss the Daytona 500 come Thursday?


  73.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.16.2015 - 10:32 am
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"Any bold predictions on who will miss the Daytona 500 come Thursday?"

I have Hornaday, Wallace, Sorenson, Marks, Yeley, and McDowell as my
predictions. (I think both Sauter and Jeb Burton race their way in, as
will Ragan.)


  74.   luigistarted06 posted:
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Id say I agree with at least 5 of those, although I'm a bit hesitant on
McDowell. I feel like he could find his way in, he's been known to be
pretty decent at restrictor plate tracks.


  75.   Nathan8848 posted:
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Hornaday has been the slowest all week. So he is pretty much the only
that I know for certain. I don't think anyone will want to work with
Sorenson.


  76.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
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Larson to win the 500!

There you go, bold prediction!

Tbh with NASCAR's plate tracks being, well, plate tracks and NASCAR
being NASCAR any prediction is a bold one imo...


  77.   Cornys posted:
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http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/02/15/tv-ratings-saturday-saturday-night-live-valentines-day-special-tops-night-as-48-hours-dateline-slip/363207/

Wow, NASCAR wasn't the number 1 network show Saturday night for the
first time that I can remember (with a Saturday night Sprint Cup event).

I'm only going to watch the big events this year, and I'm not attending
any races for the first time in 5 years. I'm waiting on NASCAR to become
a little more sensible before investing my time and energy to it in
large amounts as I have before.

Instead, I'm finally attending the Indianapolis 500 this May, which I
could not be more excited about :). Sitting at the entry to turn #4 on
the aisle and high. :)


  78.   Dusty posted:
  02.16.2015 - 11:50 am
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I heard that Nascar rigged the Sorenson wreck with Bowyer and then
scripted Bowyer's reaction, because what else would make good television
for qualifying than a wreck and a rant about how stupid Nascar is. They
know they will draw more attention if someone says how dumb they are
than if they are praised.


  79.   Anonymous posted:
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in response to post #65 heres my top 25 sprint cup drivers of all time

Jimmie Johnson
Richard Petty
Jeff Gordon
Dale Earnhardt
Tony Stewart
Lee Petty
Bobby Allison
Matt Kenseth
Kevin Harvick
Buck Baker
Mark Martin
Cale Yarborough
Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
David Pearson
Rusty Wallace
Kurt Busch
Carl Edwards
Jeff Burton
Ryan Newman
Darrell Waltrip
Terry Labonte
Greg Biffle
Kyle Busch
Bill Elliott
Benny Parsons


  80.   We need more Onion posted:
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Well who will miss it?
Sorenson is a pick by most of us, so is Marks, as he has very little
experience and it's not like RAB cars got in too many cup races.
Despite being a seasoned veteran and a well-respected plate racer, I
feel Mike Wallace won't be strong enough to make it.
Hornaday is pretty much the slowest car out there, however he is
insanely aggressive and knows it is a huge chance and a huge payday for
his team. Won't count him out, but his car is still really slow.
I think Brian Scott will be in a wreck or get shuffled out badly enough
to miss the race.
Front Row will team up, so will Yeley and Sauter, but Johnny is almost
surely able to fall back on speed. McDowell has shown flashes of
brilliance, but can have severe brainfades. Having a severe brainfade
and being 42nd in owner points don't mix all well.
Annett has not shown too much power on plate tracks and he HAS TO finish
in the top 15, not too good.
I think Wise will find Bobby Labonte and will finish well, as both are
steady, level-headed drivers.

So: Sorenson, Scott, Marks, Wallace, Hornaday and Annett are my picks.
If I have to change someone, it is Ron for McDowell.


  81.   BigWill20 posted:
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Can't wait for this race. If what happened in the Unlimited, then it
will happen in the 500. Hopefully we have a lot of cars for the finish
and maybe 1 or 2 big wrecks


  82.   Cornys posted:
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NASCAR fans: The only large scale racing league fans who have their
biggest race of the year and are generally disappointed if there is not
at least one big crash.

Personally, I'm always impressed when they get away without a crash. No
cautions would be VERY impressive to me. I was hoping last year's Indy
500 would go caution free, and it almost did :) Same with their Pocono
race and Fontana race. All nearly went caution free, (none did) and it
was impressive to me. :shrug:


  83.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
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I always prefer races to run uninterrupted but if it's dull and
processional then I often think a safety car/caution (cross out if
applicable! I'm a Brit okay) could spice things up. Not for the accident
though...

...but a lot of the legend behind big races are the accidents. Look at
this one, the Indy 500, Monaco GP, Le Mans, etc

Anyway, never been more psyched for a NASCAR race, however 'rigged' the
whole build up is :p


  84.   ch posted:
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For me its going to be Sorenson, Marks, Hornaday, Wallace. The other two
I can't decide from a six driver list of Wise, Ragan, Burton, McDowell,
Annett, and Scott.


  85.   Nathan8848 posted:
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If I was in charge of NASCAR and could only make 5 changes they would
include.

1: The Chase can stay, but if someone is eliminated in a previous round
and wins in the next round, they are back in. (Emphasis on winning. No
one is eliminated, just more drivers are added).

2: Single car qualifying runs at super speedways and short tracks (Too
much of a risk on equipment).

3: The President can only be in charge for 4 years. (If you call this an
true American sport, then lets show it). Elections are voted by drivers/
owners and happen the week between the Super Bowl and Speedweeks.
Basically anyone in the hall of fame balloting team can make it.
President has to wait 8 years to try again.

4: Only 3 teams (maximum of12 cars) can drive for one manufacture.
(Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Dodge)

5: Blackouts appear on Tv in the local area, until ~80% of stands are
full. (1979 Daytona 500 did something similar and thought it was a great
idea).

Thoughts??


  86.   Dawson posted:
  02.16.2015 - 2:33 pm
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David Ragan will make the race


  87.   epzik8 posted:
  02.16.2015 - 4:07 pm
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I'm hoping Waltrip and Hornaday make it.


  88.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.16.2015 - 4:10 pm
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I could see Annet missing the race


  89.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.16.2015 - 4:17 pm
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Actually, I'd love it if we could get another NASCAR race to go caution
free to the end. I was really hoping the Indy 500 last year could do it,
but alas, it wasn't to be.
When a set of drivers can complete an entire race putting on a good show
with minimal to no crashes, I'm always entertained (Sure, a part of me
does enjoy seeing torn up machinery, but that side is second). It
wouldn't surprise me if the ARCA event ends up being the most exciting
race we had this speedweeks. (Can't speak for the 24hrs, didn't get a
chance to watch it and I wouldn't even if I could. WAY too long).


  90.   TS1420 posted:
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My Top 25:
1 - Richard Petty
2 - Dale Earnhardt
3 - Jeff Gordon
4 - David Pearson
5 - Bobby Allison
6 - Darrell Waltrip
7 - Cale Yarborough
8 - Jimmie Johnson
9 - Lee Petty
10 - Tony Stewart
11 - Herb Thomas
12 - Tim Flock
13 - Bill Elliott
14 - Dale Jarrett
15 - Ned Jarrett
16 - Rusty Wallace
17 - Kevin Harvick
18 - Matt Kenseth
19 - Joe Weatherly
20 - Buck Baker
21 - Terry Labonte
22 - Bobby Isaac
23 - Fireball Roberts
24 - Rex White
25 - Benny Parsons


  91.   Scott B posted:
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My picks to miss the race:

Hornaday, Sorenson and Marks are the most obvious choices in my opinion.

I expected at least one BK racing entry to miss the race, I'll go with
Yeley.

The rest are too close to call.

I'm hoping for David Ragan to have a good, clean duel.


  92.   MAR posted:
  02.16.2015 - 5:48 pm
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I wanted edwards to miss the race but he's in o well hope hornaday and
Sorenson make it though


  93.   joey2448 posted:
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My Top 10 drivers:

1. Richard Petty
2. Dale Earnhardt
3. Cale Yarborough
4. Jeff Gordon
5. David Pearson
6. Bobby Allison
7. Darrell Waltrip
8. Jimmie Johnson
9. Rusty Wallace
10. Tony Stewart


  94.   The Long Shot posted:
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Top 25 of all time (IMO):

1. Richard Petty
2. David Pearson
3. Dale Earnhardt
4. Jeff Gordon
5. Cale Yarborough
6. Bobby Allison
7. Darrell Waltrip
8. Jimmie Johnson
9. Tony Stewart
10. Lee Petty
11. Herb Thomas
12. Dale Jarrett
13. Joe Weatherly
14. Tim Flock
15. Rusty Wallace
16. Buck Baker
17. Terry Labonte
18. Fireball Roberts
19. Ned Jarrett
20. Bill Elliott
21. Kevin Harvick
22. Benny Parsons
23. Matt Kenseth
24. Mark Martin
25. Fred Lorenzen


  95.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
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I can only do a top 5 drivers list:

1. Petty/Earnhardt
3. Gordon
4. Johnson
5. Cale Y.


  96.   Aaron posted:
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Damn 61, so Dale Jr.'s gonna have a 2009 or 2010 season because his
left-front was 1/8 of an inch too low after a meaningless qualifying
session? You do realize in 2009 he sucked all Speedweeks and last
weekend he finished 9th in the Unlimited after leading more laps than
anybody but Kenseth and Truex.

I think he's grown as a driver since those days. If the 88 struggles
this year it'll be because of a number of mitigating factors, among them
1) a rookie crew chief with no Cup CC-ing experience, 2) lots of
turnover among other crew positions, 3) a testing ban, and 4) that
damned streak of not winning a race in odd-numbered years in '07, '09,
'11 and '13.

I don't think he makes the Chase this year. But with a rookie crew chief
and the fact I believe more than 16 drivers win a regular-season race,
he won't be the only star to miss it, just like how there's usually 2-3
big names who don't make it.

And with the larger Chase field, making it is less of an accomplishment.
Think of the 88 as an expansion team with a veteran QB coming off a
career year. He could do everything he did last year but the results
could be different. We don't know. I sure hope to God he gets a win this
season. We just gotta see how it plays out in due time.


  97.   DB1995 posted:
  02.16.2015 - 10:38 pm
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My top 5 drivers all time.

1.Richard Petty
2.David Pearson
3.Dale Earnhardt Sr.
4.Jeff Gordon
5.Cale Yarborough



Top 5 active driver, as in who are driving great right now
1. Brad Keselowski
2. Jeff Gordon
3. Kevin Harvick
4. Joey Logano
5. Jimmie Johnson

This is based off of last season basically which is why Tony Stewart
isn't on here.


  98.   MAR posted:
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Top 5 all time nascar drivers
1.Jeff Gordon
2.Jimmie Johnson
3.The King
4.David pearson
5.Darrel Waltrip

Honorable mentions
Dale Earnhardt
Bobby allison
Tony Stewart
Cale Yarborough
Rusty Wallace


  99.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 12:47 am
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Well, everyone that's been on here for at least two years knows who my
top eight are (and who I even list at 9 and 10), but for those that have
forgotten, or don't know how I rank them (and I did a top 40 a year or
two ago on a blog that would have to be completely revamped, if I did
another top 40 or 43). So here's my top 10 all-time:

1. Richard Petty (stats are so out of the is world that, even compiled
against lesser competition for most of his career, he has to be #1)
2. Jeff Gordon (would have made it to #1 if he would have made it to 100
wins, but he'll come up short)
3. Bobby Allison
4. Dale Earnhardt, Sr.
5. Cale Yarborough
6. Darrell Waltrip
7. David Pearson (wasn't that great against tougher competition, hence
his somewhat lower ranking on my list)
8. Jimmie Johnson (same deal as Gordon, if he gets to 100 wins, he moves
to #1)
9. Junior Johnson
10. Herb Thomas

Top current drivers, regardless of all-time standing:

1. Jimmie Johnson (that's obvious)
2. Matt Kenseth
3. Jeff Gordon
4. Kevin Harvick
5. Kyle Busch
6. Brad Keselowski
7. Denny Hamlin (perhaps this generation's version of Benny Parsons,
Terry Labonte, or Ricky Rudd, in terms of how underrated he is among
those not inside the sport)
8. Carl Edwards (I said he was the least prolific of JGR's four drivers,
but he's still undeniably one of the ten best today)
9. Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
10. Tony Stewart (if healthy and if he returns to form, still among the
top 5 drivers)

By the way, I look for Jimmie Johnson to climb a little higher on my
all-time list, perhaps as high as #5 before this year's over. And the
only reason Joey Logano's not in my top 10 current drivers is that he
has to have another year like he had last year. If he proves 2014 wasn't
a fluke, he easily moves into my top 10 current drivers, especially with
Jeff Gordon retiring after 2015. After all, among my current top 10
drivers, only Brad Keselowski doesn't have at least 20 wins, but he's
had three big years in the last four (2013 being the exception).
Consistency over a prolonged period is one of the criteria I use when I
decide to put someone among the elite in the sport.


  100.   edwards19 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 1:49 am
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what are johnny sauter's cup plans for this season again?


  101.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.17.2015 - 10:03 am
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"what are johnny sauter's cup plans for this season again?"

Running part-time for BK throughout the year.

Also, hate to disagree with you, cjs, but Stewart is not a top 10 driver
right now; he may not even be top 15. He hasn't looked the same since
his injury, and I expect the events of last August will continue to
affect him from a mental perspective.


  102.   racefangurl posted:
  02.17.2015 - 10:28 am
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I only rank drivers by how I feel about them. 1. Trevor Bayne 2. Joey
Logano 3. Martin Truex, Jr., Landon Cassill 4. Austin Dillon 5. Cole
Whitt, Ty Dillon, Ryan Truex, Jeffrey Earnhardt (my top-5 old guard),
Regan Smith, Chase Elliott 6. Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Danica Patrick, Steve
Park, whoever else needs to be here for a time (my 6th ranked old guard)
Justin Allgaier and Michael McDowell 7. All others I'm not mad at. 8.
Kurt Busch (he made me made) I can tell you the types of drivers I
consider great. Drivers that were champions and earned it, would-be
champions if they'd run full-time, raced longer, had better luck/cars
(Mark Martin would be a type of bad luck driver, IMO), driver that won a
lot and earned many of their wins, that's what defines greatness to me.
I'm a young fan, so my knowledge and appreciation of NASCAR history's a
bit limited.


  103.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
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My Top 10 Drivers

1. Richard Petty
2. Dale Earnhardt
3. Jeff Gordon
4. David Pearson
5. Jimmie Johnson
6. Cale Yarborough
7. Bobby Allison
8. Darrell Waltrip
9. Davey Allison
10. Tim Flock

Current
1. Jeff Gordon
2. Jimmie Johnson
3. Brad Keselowski
4. Joey Logano
5. Matt Kenseth
6. Dale Earnhardt Jr
7. Denny Hamlin
8. Clint Bowyer
9. Kevin Harvick
10. Carl Edwards


  104.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.17.2015 - 11:12 am
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Here a few tid-bits:

NASCAR is 'considering' using the All-Star race as a test bed for the
2016 rule package.

And SHOULD Junior miss the 500, it will somehow be NASCARs fault. Yes,
the Quing format stinks (i do not give a damn about it) but if doesn't
make it. Would it not be HIS fault? Who failed post-Quing tech? Who is
among the best plate racers of this generation? Who went from 25th too
2nd in the Pole race in no time flat? And it would be NASCARs fault? I
wounder if it would be NASCARs fault if Danica doesn't make it........

Thought are welcome, especially on the first one.


  105.   racefangurl posted:
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made me mad ugh I'm like Schroeder51 sometimes. And about the All-Star
Race, I don't care. We don't get that channel at my house, due to the no
cable TV thing. (The old guard can disregard this sentence. It's for the
newbies to these boards)I don't care too much about Jr. and Danica in
the 500. From 3rd down on my driver list are my secondary drivers, tops.
6th, is the ones I'm not quite a fan of, for whatever reason.


  106.   cjs3872 posted:
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That's why I put him 10th, The Long Shot, and stated that if he returns
to form, he's still a top 5 driver. And I struggled with who I would put
in that last spot in the top ten, and I had four choices. They were
Stewart, Clint Bowyer, Kurt Busch, and Joey Logano, and of those four, I
rank Stewart the highest at this point. But 2015 is a make-or-break year
for Stewart if he's to maintain that status. Given the history of the
Daytona 500, and of great champions winning that race after a winless
year, I think this might be the time Tony wins the Daytona 500,
especially because, for the first time in many years, very little is
expected of Tony. It was obvious that his leg affected him far more than
he was willing to let on, but it appears that it's healthy again, and I
think we're going to see Tony Stewart make people remember just how
great he once was, if his cars are up to the task. I also still think
he's suffering from the effects of letting Darian Grubb go, because his
cars have not been that good since May of 2012, which was when his cars
started going another direction, and when his performance started going
into the toilet.

But the other choices I had for that 10th spot were even less appealing
to me than Stewart was. Joey Logano has to prove that, much like Clint
Bowyer in 2012, that last year wasn't a fluke, and Kurt Busch has had
more ups and downs than the Richter Scale (and they were mostly downs).
And Bowyer hasn't done hardly anything at all since 2012, so basically
Tony Stewart got the 10th spot on my current drivers list by default,
because there really wasn't anyone else to consider.


  107.   edwards19 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 1:28 pm
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Thanks TLS.

And Nascar Lead Lap Points: I'm sorry, but there's no way Jr is better
than Harvick, Hamlin and Edwards... and Bowyer is most certainly not
better than Edwards and Harvick even with my obvious Edwards bias aside...


  108.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.17.2015 - 2:40 pm
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Team Xtreme Racing has posted on Twitter that they have a backup ready
and will still attempt the 500.


  109.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 3:27 pm
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somebody mentioned that we should have an hour-long practice/qualifying
session. I agree with that

I also think they have the freedom to go to the garage and etc. in that
hour, if you think that won't go wrong in any way then lets allow them
to only do "surgery" on pit road so that there are no secrets.

and also allow only 1 set of tires, make them really hard (about has
hard as diamond) so that tire fall-off doesn't exist. there are probably
a few ways this idea will go wrong but other than slipping a few things
in there for 15 minutes then I don't see anything bad.


  110.   JP88 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 4:10 pm
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If anything why don't they just give the groups more time. Even 10
minutes would be better and then they could make a mandatory time to
where you have to post a lap. So if you don't post a lap before 5:00 to
go, your time doesn't count.


  111.   Tyler posted:
  02.17.2015 - 4:54 pm
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@92 It would be nice to see Hornaday in possibly his final race ever,
wishing him luck in the Duels Thursday.


  112.   murb posted:
  02.17.2015 - 5:24 pm
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I'm not gonna do my all time rankings just because it's been done to
death by pretty much everyone on here (besides, I don't really
individually rank drivers against each other - I tend to "tier" them
into specific groups), but since we are heading into a brand new season,
I will give my thoughts on the top ten current drivers, in specific
order. This is based on three things: Pure driving talent, versatility,
and clutch performance/coming through in big moments.

- 1. Jimmie Johnson (I think he's beginning to enter that latter career
downslide that pretty much every legend has, but for the time being I'd
still put him at #1.)
- 2. Brad Keselowski (Say what you want about his personality, but he
may currently be the most talented driver in the Cup Series - his car
control and ability to make big power moves on the track is undeniable,
his versatility is undeniable as he has won on every type of track
except a road course - and when looking at his Watkins Glen record I
have to believe that will change soon - and in the clutch, as we saw at
Talladega, he thrives. Once Jimmie starts/continues to backslide, I
think Brad easily becomes the top dog. Let's hope he's calmed down by
then and solely focuses on his race car instead of his mouth.)
- 3. Jeff Gordon (After last year, I think he's regained top three
status. It'll be interesting to see if he can carry over what he had
last year. I personally don't see him having as good of a year this
year, but in my 15+ years of watching Nascar, I've learned to never
count out the #24 as long as Gordon is driving, so you never know. But
yeah, he's still top three.)
- 4. Kyle Busch (His talent and versatility are enough to have him in
the top four, even though he is a putrid championship racer and in the
clutch he is less than desirable. If he had even the slightest ability
to consistently keep it all together in the Chase and actually CONTEND
for a title, he'd probably be in my top two.)
-5. Matt Kenseth (Still the silent assassin after all these years.)
-6. Carl Edwards (I know a lot of people wouldn't rank him this highly,
but I definitely do. He excels at everything on my checklist. His talent
and car-control is outstanding. Even though his bread and butter over
the years has been cookie-cutters, he's still an above average
short/flat track driver (he's been great at Richmond and Phoenix over
the years, so now that he's with JGR I fully expect him to now contend
at places like Martinsville and Loudon), AND he's underrated on the road
courses (he won at Sonoma last year and has won at least twice that I
can remember in NNS/NXS road course races), and as far as championships
go? Had a couple little things been different in 2008 and 2011, he'd be
a two time Cup champion right now. So I think he's definitely at least
this high on my list, and if he has an epic year like I think he will,
he'll probably climb into my top five.)
- 7. Kevin Harvick (I have him a little lower than most because I think
he has an inflated win total. He probably should only have about 22 or
23 wins right now instead of 28. He lucked into the 2011 Coke 600 when
Jr ran out of gas, he lucked into the 2007 Daytona 500 when Kenseth gave
him the push of a lifetime down the backstretch and Mark got loose in
turn four, he kind of lucked into the 2013 Spring Richmond win when all
hell broke loose on a late restart, and he kind of lucked into 2002
Chicago when he spun out with like 70 to go and was able to get enough
gas to last to the end. So I think he's a lot lower than it seems just
because a lot of his fluky wins. Still though, great driver, absolutely
deserved the title last year, incredibly talented and versatile, and
easily top ten currently.)
- 8. Joey Logano (He has absolutely proven me wrong and has become a
fantastic driver. Easily top ten at this point, and will probably climb
a little higher as the years move along. The only question right now is
his championship racing ability, given how he and his team kind of
folded down the stretch last year when it looked like they could have
easily taken over and won it. But in terms of talent and versatility,
he's got it. He's a damn good driver, and he has a nice 20+ win Cup
career ahead of him.)
- 9. Denny Hamlin (He's lost quite a bit since his injury in 2013, but
he's still top ten. I'm really interested to see how he does with Dave
Rogers this year. I'm starting to wonder if Darian Grubb just wasn't a
good fit with him or something. Yeah, they had a lot of success in 2012,
but don't forget that they also had quite a few miscommunications that
year - most notably at Loudon in July - that may have cost them more
wins and maybe more championship contention down the stretch. So I
wonder if some communication struggles with Grubb, along with the
injury, has affected him over the past couple of years. Talent and
versatility wise though, he's definitely top ten still. And yeah, he's
not the greatest championship racer, but I will ALWAYS defend him for
2010. Mike Ford cost them that championship.)
- 10. Clint Bowyer (Eventually Kyle Larson's spot at some point this
year, but for now, Clint still hangs on by a thread.)

And I agree with Long Shot on Stewart. He's just not the same after his
leg injury (and the Ward thing will surely affect him mentally for the
rest of his life - though I have to say it's been quite a pleasant
surprise to see him upbeat and a little more like "the old Tony" this
week in Daytona - apparently he gave a classic Smoke rant after the
qualifying debacle that I unfortunately haven't heard or read yet). I do
expect him to win one more race this year and make the Chase, but his
days being a top ten driver in Cup are done.


  113.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.17.2015 - 5:37 pm
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I have to say I like that Kenseth is high up. Don't follow NASCAR enough
to know ALL of the personality things and details of each race but he
sure does deliver a lot and is good as staying out of trouble when it
really matters, he always seems to avoid the last lap big ones at plate
tracks from what I've seen. Feel free to shoot me down/correct me
because I genuinely don't know enough for my comments to be taken that
seriously ;)

And yeah Larson is going to be in the top 10 very very shortly, maybe
even after Sunday (see my bold prediction :p)


  114.   Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted:
  02.17.2015 - 5:40 pm
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"It would be nice to see Hornaday in possibly his final race ever,
wishing him luck in the Duels Thursday."

I'm pretty sure Hornaday is running full-time for the #30 team.


  115.   murb posted:
  02.17.2015 - 5:54 pm
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"And yeah Larson is going to be in the top 10 very very shortly, maybe
even after Sunday (see my bold prediction :p)"

The restrictor plate races have sort of been his weak link thus far in
Cup, so I'm not expecting too much out of him this weekend (though if he
can dodge all the wrecks, a top ten or top five surely isn't out of the
question). But once we really get into the thick of the season, I think
he's gonna be money. I have him winning about four races and finishing
around 5th or 6th in points.


  116.   edwards19 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 10:24 pm
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"I'm pretty sure Hornaday is running full-time for the #30 team."


I think he meant he's probably gonna dnq every race until the team folds
(similar to Blaney last year)


  117.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 11:04 pm
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"And SHOULD Junior miss the 500, it will somehow be NASCARs fault. Yes,
the Quing format stinks (i do not give a damn about it) but if doesn't
make it. Would it not be HIS fault? Who failed post-Quing tech? Who is
among the best plate racers of this generation? Who went from 25th too
2nd in the Pole race in no time flat? And it would be NASCARs fault? I
wounder if it would be NASCARs fault if Danica doesn't make it........"

Unfortunately, in the minds of more narrow-minded NASCAR fans, it WOULD
be NASCAR's fault if Junior/Danica misses the race because many fans
have a sense of entitlement; they believe they are ENTITLED to see their
favorite drivers race no matter what. So if either of them DNQs for the
500 (I honestly doubt either Junior or Danica will fail to qualify...),
you can guarantee a sizable portion of NASCAR's fanbase will whine about
NASCAR screwed them out of the 500.


  118.   epzik8 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 11:48 pm
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None of the good drivers (like Junior) are going to miss the 500 because
they're just too good.


  119.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.17.2015 - 11:55 pm
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As for my guesses as to who will DNQ, I'll say Hornaday (probably the
most obvious choice), Mike Wallace, Reed Sorenson, Michael McDowell, and
Brian Scott.


  120.   Scott B posted:
  02.18.2015 - 12:44 am
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Jr isn't going to miss the 500, even if he has a problem in his duel.
The 88 team is 8th in line for an owner's points provisional, and one of
the teams ahead of them on the bump list is the already locked in 24
with Jeff Gordon.

When you do the math... nope, ain't going to happen.


  121.   Scott B posted:
  02.18.2015 - 1:10 am
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In fact, I think it's impossible for the 88 to DNQ at this point. Even
if every team ahead of them in owner's points had a problem, Kenseth
would be awarded a spot on Q speed before the points provisionals are
handed out. So yes, he's a lock.


  122.   Anonymous posted:
  02.18.2015 - 10:20 am
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>>2015
>>still watching nascar

wot.


  123.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.18.2015 - 11:00 am
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"I have to say I like that Kenseth is high up. Don't follow NASCAR
enough to know ALL of the personality things and details of each race
but he sure does deliver a lot and is good as staying out of trouble
when it really matters, he always seems to avoid the last lap big ones
at plate tracks from what I've seen. Feel free to shoot me down/correct
me because I genuinely don't know enough for my comments to be taken
that seriously ;)"

No, your analysis is good. He's one of the calmest drivers out there and
doesn't overreact or panic in tough situations. (It's rare to see you in
a Cup race page; trying to take more of an interest in the motorsports
happenings across the pond?)

"I have him a little lower than most because I think he has an inflated
win total. He probably should only have about 22 or 23 wins right now
instead of 28. He lucked into the 2011 Coke 600 when Jr ran out of gas,
he lucked into the 2007 Daytona 500 when Kenseth gave him the push of a
lifetime down the backstretch and Mark got loose in turn four, he kind
of lucked into the 2013 Spring Richmond win when all hell broke loose on
a late restart, and he kind of lucked into 2002 Chicago when he spun out
with like 70 to go and was able to get enough gas to last to the end. So
I think he's a lot lower than it seems just because a lot of his fluky
wins."

This is really the only part of your post I disagreed with (though I do
think Dale Jr. should absolutely be in the top 10 over Bowyer). I'm not
sure how Harvick's "fluky wins" in past years affect his current
ranking; he's finished inside the top 10 in points in 8 out of the last
9 years, and only Jimmie Johnson has won more races than he has over the
last 5. Not to mention that he was the fastest driver in the series last
year (in a year where all the other SHR cars struggled).

My personal top 10 currently:

1. Johnson
2. Keselowski
3. Harvick
4. Kenseth
5. Gordon
6. Earnhardt Jr.
7. Edwards
8. Logano
9. Kyle Busch
10. Hamlin


  124.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.18.2015 - 11:06 am
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I just saw the entry lists for the Truck and Xfinity races for the first
time...only 34 trucks entered for Daytona. I get the feeling the Trucks
are going to have to go through what Nationwide/Xfinity did a couple of
years ago by having the field size shortened (probably to around 30 or so).

Also, how about Dexter Bean making a comeback? After having completely
disappeared from the NASCAR scene following his ill-fated Cup ROTY
attempt in 2009, he's back and will attempt the Xfinity race in the #92
for King Autosport (Mario Gosselin will pilot the #90 for that same team
due to Martin Roy having suffered a shoulder injury). MBM Motorsports
will also run two teams in the Xfinity race at Daytona: Chris Cockrum
will pilot the primary #13 while co-owner Derek White gets into the #40.


  125.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.18.2015 - 12:34 pm
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"Unfortunately, in the minds of more narrow-minded NASCAR fans, it WOULD
be NASCAR's fault if Junior/Danica misses the race because many fans
have a sense of entitlement; they believe they are ENTITLED to see their
favorite drivers race no matter what. So if either of them DNQs for the
500 (I honestly doubt either Junior or Danica will fail to qualify...),
you can guarantee a sizable portion of NASCAR's fanbase will whine about
NASCAR screwed them out of the 500."

This. Thought Schroeder, people are HOPING Junior fails so they can bash
Brian France. Yes i get he is an easy target but now people are looking
for ANY REASON, even a small one too bash? Ok............. what the hell
is wrong with people?

"Jr isn't going to miss the 500, even if he has a problem in his duel.
The 88 team is 8th in line for an owner's points provisional, and one of
the teams ahead of them on the bump list is the already locked in 24
with Jeff Gordon.

When you do the math... nope, ain't going to happen."

That is what i figured. Besides, Junior should finish above 15th with no
problem.

"I just saw the entry lists for the Truck and Xfinity races for the
first time...only 34 trucks entered for Daytona. I get the feeling the
Trucks are going to have to go through what Nationwide/Xfinity did a
couple of years ago by having the field size shortened (probably to
around 30 or so)."

30 is a good number (should NASCAR cut the field down that is).


  126.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.18.2015 - 12:59 pm
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TLS, I'm bored of the off season so the sooner the better, and this is
the first truly massive event of 2015. The week-long build-up helps me
psyche up. And yes, I'm going to keep a closer eye on NASCAR, although
Indycar is still my personal favourite US series.

F1 testing restarts tomorrow as well. We'll get a better picture of
who's good and who's not in 2015. Maybe McLaren can actually complete
some laps...


  127.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.18.2015 - 1:34 pm
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NASCAR has made some necessary changes to qualifying for Xfinity and
trucks. The sessions have been shortened to 2.5 minutes and once a car
is in motion on pit road, it must remain in motion until the run is
completed.


  128.   ch posted:
  02.18.2015 - 1:35 pm
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"I just saw the entry lists for the Truck and Xfinity races for the
first time...only 34 trucks entered for Daytona. I get the feeling the
Trucks are going to have to go through what Nationwide/Xfinity did a
couple of years ago by having the field size shortened (probably to
around 30 or so)."

Considering that the Truck field is 32 trucks this year, I think 34
isn't terrible.


  129.   Dawson posted:
  02.18.2015 - 2:44 pm
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I don't think nascar should cut the filed down in the trucks or any
series anymore because that's just making teams not want to come because
there's a less chance of them making the race


  130.   murb posted:
  02.18.2015 - 3:31 pm
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"though I do think Dale Jr. should absolutely be in the top 10 over Bowyer"

Yeah, can't believe I forgot Jr. Definitely in over Bowyer (though, like
I said, once Larson starts getting wins and that type of thing, he'll
almost surely get that spot).

"The sessions have been shortened to 2.5 minutes and once a car is in
motion on pit road, it must remain in motion until the run is completed."

Why they haven't done this in Cup yet is completely beyond me.


  131.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.18.2015 - 3:58 pm
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Danica just wrecked her car and has to go to a backup. Same for Annett,
who gets the #51's, as he doesn't have any
Things are not looking bright for either. If Danica wrecks out of her
duel and a couple of frontrunners do as well, she's out.
Would LOVE to see her humbled a bit with a DNQ.


  132.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.18.2015 - 3:59 pm
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Appears that Danica, Hamlin, Mears, Burton and Annett got caught up in a
backstretch crash during practice.
That's gonna sting for those guys.


  133.   Seagal posted:
  02.18.2015 - 4:07 pm
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And the 20 avoids another wreck in spectacular fashion. He's been so
much fun to watch. Hope he has some luck saved for the 500.


  134.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.18.2015 - 5:20 pm
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Yes, how in all that's holy did Edwards avoid that FP3 mess??? Skill?
Luck? Both? Divine intervention????

As for Danica, don't care ;)


  135.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.18.2015 - 7:36 pm
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Oh wait, I forgot that there were forty-nine cars entered...I'll go
ahead and add Josh Wise to my list of predicted DNQs for the 500. (I
seem to be the only one who thinks Marks might actually make it...)


  136.   David posted:
  02.18.2015 - 7:47 pm
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"I seem to be the only one who thinks Marks might actually make it..."

Anything can happen.


  137.   DB1995 posted:
  02.18.2015 - 8:21 pm
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Kyle Busch is scheduled to run 26 Xfinity races this season unfortunately


  138.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.18.2015 - 8:32 pm
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"Kyle Busch is scheduled to run 26 Xfinity races this season unfortunately"

Get ready for 8-12 more "epic" Kyle Busch Nationwide wins this year!


  139.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.18.2015 - 9:24 pm
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"Kyle Busch is scheduled to run 26 Xfinity races this season unfortunately"

Let me guess, he'll do half the Trucks season as well?


  140.   murb posted:
  02.18.2015 - 9:49 pm
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"Kyle Busch is scheduled to run 26 Xfinity races this season unfortunately"

On the bright side, it seems like he's really the only Cup guy who will
be running a ridiculous amount of those races like that. Ryan Blaney has
elected to run for NXS points, so that tells me that Brad and Joey will
be running even less races than they did last year (and they really
didn't run THAT many last year to begin with). Larson is only scheduled
for nine races in the #42 (and with Poole running about 15 and
Kwasniewski probably getting a good chunk too, I doubt he'll get any
more). I also know that Kenseth is only scheduled to run five races in
the #20 (Erik Jones is supposed to run a lot), and it also seems like
Harvick will be running a little less for JRM this year since Ben Rhodes
is supposed to run 10 races in the #88.

So other than Kyle (and apparently Austin Dillon, who will do about 20
or so races in the #33 - but whatever, he only has one year of Cup
experience, and RCR isn't exactly a JGR/Penske/JRM powerhouse in that
series, so I'm okay with that I guess), it seems like there's actually
gonna be a fairly nice mix of different drivers in NXS this year. Sure,
Kyle will probably win at least 8 races again, but at least we should
see some different drivers racing up front with him as opposed to just
seeing Kyle/Brad/Joey/Harvick/Kenseth just murder everybody every week.

"Let me guess, he'll do half the Trucks season as well?"

He's actually only doing three Truck races, which is pleasantly
surprising. Matt Tifft and Daniel Suarez are supposed to run the
majority of the schedule in the #51 truck.


  141.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.18.2015 - 9:50 pm
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"Let me guess, he'll do half the Trucks season as well?"

No, he's only planned to run four Truck races: Charlotte, Pocono,
Michigan, and New Hampshire. Daniel Suarez and Matt Tifft are scheduled
to drive the rest of the schedule...so at least he isn't going to
utterly stink up the Truck Series this year.


  142.   murb posted:
  02.18.2015 - 10:01 pm
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"No, he's only planned to run four Truck races: Charlotte, Pocono,
Michigan, and New Hampshire."

Hmm, I guess they added a race or something, because last time I saw his
planned schedule it was only three. Still, really glad to see it.

I'm really looking forward to the Truck Series this year. I'm still
sticking with Erik Jones as my title pick, but overall I feel like it's
all kind of wide open this year. With Kyle running WAY less races, along
with former prolific winners Bubba and Blaney moving up (not to mention
Crafton and his team going for the rare three-peat, which has to be at
least a little bit taxing on them), I won't be shocked at all if we see
like 11 or 12 different winners. It just seems like it's gonna be ultra
competitive.


  143.   David posted:
  02.19.2015 - 6:43 am
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"I'm really looking forward to the Truck Series this year. I'm still
sticking with Erik Jones as my title pick, but overall I feel like it's
all kind of wide open this year. With Kyle running WAY less races, along
with former prolific winners Bubba and Blaney moving up (not to mention
Crafton and his team going for the rare three-peat, which has to be at
least a little bit taxing on them), I won't be shocked at all if we see
like 11 or 12 different winners. It just seems like it's gonna be ultra
competitive."

I could see that. Is there any chance in hell that Chevy or Ford teams
compete for the truck title this year?


  144.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 8:55 am
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So it looks like it's suppose to rain from around 10 AM to 1PM on
Sunday, so it may be late start race similar to last year


  145.   racefangurl posted:
  02.19.2015 - 9:58 am
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I can't watch Trucks very often because of the channel the races are on.
In the past four years, I've only watched one Truck race, last year's
fall 'Dega race. None of my favorite drivers are in Trucks, so I'm
simply a race fan, in regard to Trucks. I follow it a little, but don't
who wins.


  146.   JP88 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 11:26 am
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<<< So it looks like it's suppose to rain from around 10 AM to 1PM on
Sunday, so it may be late start race similar to last year >>>

Ugh. I guess mother nature hates the new qualifying format. Hopefully it
isn't that bad because I would like the 500 to just be run normal for
once haha


  147.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.19.2015 - 12:15 pm
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"I could see that. Is there any chance in hell that Chevy or Ford teams
compete for the truck title this year?"

Reddick's the best chance either of those teams have, and he's not that
legit of a threat. John Hunter's the best driver in the Chevy stable
currently, and he won't even be running the full schedule. Could see the
#29 maaaybe making a run for the owner's title, but not likely.


  148.   David posted:
  02.19.2015 - 12:19 pm
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I completely forgot today that the Duels are no longer run in the
daytime...


  149.   David posted:
  02.19.2015 - 12:20 pm
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#143 was not my post, by the way.


  150.   racefangurl posted:
  02.19.2015 - 12:32 pm
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Rain-Tona we could call it. Maybe the weather people hate the Daytona 500.


  151.   David R posted:
  02.19.2015 - 12:45 pm
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to distinguish me from the other david, this is what i will be known as
forever more. btw i made post 143


  152.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.19.2015 - 1:11 pm
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"#143 was not my post, by the way."

Figured as much. The use of a cuss word gave it away.

"Rain-Tona we could call it. Maybe the weather people hate the Daytona 500."

Even though there's no rain in the forecast whatsoever.


  153.   racefangurl posted:
  02.19.2015 - 1:41 pm
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146 said there was rain.


  154.   racefangurl posted:
  02.19.2015 - 1:47 pm
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Jeff Gluck says no rain, so I don't know what to make of 146, which my
Rain-Tona comment was a reply to.


  155.   Seagal posted:
  02.19.2015 - 2:34 pm
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For those who have used it, is RaceView almost too distracting? It's
free for the duels tonight so I want to try it out, but the graphics
look so neat that I almost think I'll end up staring at my computer more
than the actual race.


  156.   racefangurl posted:
  02.19.2015 - 2:36 pm
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I don't want Dumbo (Kurt Busch) to win the 500, but I don't care how
much of a margin it is. He could be second to Joey or someone and I'd be
fine with that. I used Joey as an example because he's never won it and
I want him to win. However as to who can win, anyone that avoids
wrecking out and has no car trouble. Anyone can win a plate race, if
they don't get in trouble in the race.


  157.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.19.2015 - 2:55 pm
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Will the majority of the comments for the race tonight come here or on
the dedicated Duel race pages?


  158.   murb posted:
  02.19.2015 - 2:59 pm
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"Is there any chance in hell that Chevy or Ford teams compete for the
truck title this year?"

I don't know about Ford, but last year the Chevys weren't bad at all. I
think their biggest problem was that their flagship team (Turner) was
run by complete imbeciles. So now that a bunch of different teams have
bought Turner's equipment (I know for a fact that at least Nemco and NTS
have bought some of it), I think we'll see a fair amount of the Chevys
be competitive and frequently compete for race wins. I'm not completely
sure about them competing for the championship (if Buescher can get
enough sponsorship to run full time though, I expect him to be in it),
but I think they'll definitely be competitive.


  159.   murb posted:
  02.19.2015 - 3:01 pm
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"Will the majority of the comments for the race tonight come here or on
the dedicated Duel race pages?"

Duel pages, I would imagine.


  160.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.19.2015 - 3:03 pm
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Thanks murb.


  161.   racefangurl posted:
  02.19.2015 - 4:13 pm
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I don't care where most of the comments are. I can't watch the race
because it's on FoxSports1 and I won't be here. I'll be baking cookies
while you guys are on the Duels page.


  162.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 4:44 pm
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And now there isn't any rain listed for Sunday. I suppose we'll see come
race day, it is Florida so it'll probably change a few times before race
day.


  163.   epzik8 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 5:20 pm
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Tonight should be some good racing to get into the 500.


  164.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 5:23 pm
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I'm excited, if there's one thing I'm hoping for it's that Landon Casill
finds a way into the 500


  165.   Daniel posted:
  02.19.2015 - 6:29 pm
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47 entered at Daytona for Nationwide:

Johnny Davis: #0-Harrison Rhodes, #01-Landon Cassill, #4-Ross Chastain

Jack Roush: #1-Elliott Sadler, #6-Darrell Wallace Jr., #16-Ryan Reed,
#60-Chris Buescher

Richard Childress: #2-Brian Scott, #3-Ty Dillon, #33-Austin Dillon,
#62-Brendan Gaughan

Dale Earnhardt Jr.: #7-Regan Smith, #9-Chase Elliott, #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Mark Smith: #8-Blake Koch, #10-Jeff Green, #14-Cale Conley, #19-Scott
Lagasse Jr., #44-David Starr

Carl Long/Derek White: #13-Chris Cockrum, #40-Derek White

Rick Ware: #15-Carlos Contreras

Adrian Berryhill: #17-Tanner Berryhill

Joe Gibbs: #18-Daniel Suarez, #20-Erik Jones, #54-Kyle Busch

Roger Penske: #22-Brad Keselowski

James Whitener/Gregg Mixon: #24-Eric McClure, #26-Mike Wallace, #28-J.J.
Yeley

Tony Townley: #25-John Wes Townley

Robby Benton: #29-Justin Marks

Ryan Sieg: #39-Ryan Sieg

Harry Scott Jr./Chip Ganassi: #42-Kyle Larson

Richard Petty: #43-Dakoda Armstrong

Jeremy Clements: #51-Jeremy Clements

Jimmy Means: #52-Joey Gase

Jamie Dick: #55-Jeffrey Earnhardt

Derrike Cope: #70-Derrike Cope

Mike Harmon: #74-Mike Harmon

Billy Boat: #84-Chad Boat

Bobby Gerhart: #85-Bobby Gerhart

Joe Nemechek: #87-Joe Nemechek

Morgan Shepherd: #89-Morgan Shepherd

Mario Gosselin: #90-Mario Gosselin, #92-Dexter Bean

Victor Obaika: #97-Josh Reaume

Fred Biagi/Bill DenBeste: #98-Aric Almirola


  166.   Daniel posted:
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37 entered in the truck race:

Mark Beaver: #1-Donnie Neuenberger, #50-Cody Ware

Randy Young: #02-Tyler Young

Kyle Busch: #4-Erik Jones, #51-Daniel Suarez, #54-Justin Boston

Tony Townley: #05-John Wes Townley

Norm Benning: #6-Norm Benning

Bobby Dotter: #07-Ray Black Jr., #08-Korbin Forrister

Joe Nemechek: #8-Joe Nemechek

Jennifer Jo Cobb: #10-Jennifer Jo Cobb

Tom DeLoach: #11-Ben Kennedy, #17-Timothy Peters

Duke Thorson: #13-Cameron Hayley, #88-Matt Crafton, #98-Johnny Sauter

Bob Newberry: #14-Daniel Hemric, #20-Scott Lagasse Jr., #31-James Buescher

Billy Boat: #15-Mason Mingus

Brad Keselowski: #19-Tyler Reddick, #29-Austin Theriault

Maury Gallagher: #23-Spencer Gallagher, #33-Ty Dillon

Bill Venturini: #25-Matt Tifft

Jim Rosenblum: #28-Ryan Ellis

Kevin Cywinski: #35-Justin Marks

Michael Peck: #40-Todd Peck

Mittler Brothers: #63-Justin Jennings

Clay Greenfield: #68-Clay Greenfield

Mike Harmon: #74-Jordan Anderson

Sean Corr: #82-Austin Hill

Chris Fontaine: #84-Chris Fontaine

Ricky Benton: #92-David Gilliland

Jay Robinson: #94-Travis Kvapil

Chris Baluch: #99 Bryan Silas


  167.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 7:10 pm
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Time to see who will get in and who won't!


  168.   Baxter posted:
  02.19.2015 - 7:11 pm
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There is a Duel page up if you want to comment there.


  169.   David posted:
  02.19.2015 - 7:12 pm
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"I don't care where most of the comments are. I can't watch the race
because it's on FoxSports1 and I won't be here. I'll be baking cookies
while you guys are on the Duels page."

So very kind of you to inform us of all this.


  170.   epzik8 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 7:21 pm
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Duel number 1 is on.


  171.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.19.2015 - 7:54 pm
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"So very kind of you to inform us of all this."

*shrugs* I'm not about to bash someone for talking about baking cookies.


  172.   David posted:
  02.19.2015 - 7:59 pm
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That's fair. I like cookies, too.


  173.   David posted:
  02.19.2015 - 8:09 pm
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I should have deleted the second sentence when quoting her post.


  174.   epzik8 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 8:50 pm
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Time for the second duel (Junior, as I predicted, won the first).


  175.   Colm posted:
  02.19.2015 - 9:23 pm
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(Formerly kubica fan)

Rowdy is doing 4 truck races as was correctly pointed out and all
companion xfinity races except Talladega. Boris Said is running the
other races in the 54 from what I have heard. Logano is scheduled to do
7 xfinity races, so I assume keselowski will do 7-10 like last year.
Kenseth is down for 5 ith Hamlin running Darlington and Erik Jones
running a majority in the 20. He has sponsorship from gamestop for 10
confirmed races. Harvick is running 12, down from 15, Kahne is running 7
and Jr 4.

Biscuits in a red bull the great thing about nascar I find as a European
is the absurd length of the schedule with 38 events in 41 weeks, even if
you just check the results on a monday morning and read the race reports
it acts as a good stop gap between the F1 and indycar races and gives
you a bit of motorsport. Make sure to watch the 4 plate races, the road
courses,Martinsville (it's long) Richmond and Darlington is a must if
you can stick it.

P.S. Does anyone know if Nascar is uploaing the races on its youtube
channel the following week like they started doing at the end of last
year. Good old LP2008 has a new channel and is doing 3 major series, but
he will prob be caught and have to set up another channel.


  176.   Colm posted:
  02.19.2015 - 9:37 pm
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Mentioned in a previous post on the Homestead page and I know it is only
half done but the new Daytona will blow your mind, will look really
impressive, almost intimidating with those mighty 3 tiered steep stands.
The Race Tower with all the extra sky boxes will be about 2 and a half
times the size of the current one. The views from the top of the new
seats is incredible, check out instagram and twitter for pictures. You
can view a 3d version on the Daytona website if you follows the links to
tickets and load the 3d virtual map. You can get a comparison with the
2015 speedway versus the finished article in 2016 if everything goes to
schedule.

Jr will burn the field on Sunday.


  177.   epzik8 posted:
  02.19.2015 - 10:41 pm
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The field is now set.


  178.   MAR posted:
  02.19.2015 - 11:27 pm
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So far in speedweeks hendrick domination seems pretty clear but I'll
keep my money on Stewart winning the 500.The Truck series field for this
season seems just as watered down as last year and Joe Gibbs and Kyle
Busch are idiots and yes i am a Kyle Busch fan but im giving up on him
winning a championship driving for JGR like what is more important 10-13
Xfinity series wins a year or a cup championship like i think its a
complete joke he's running 26 races for what????


  179.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
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Order of the DNQ
44 26 Jeb Burton
45 7 Alex Bowman
46 62 Brian Scott
47 98 Josh Wise
48 29 Justin Marks
49 30 Ron Hornaday Jr

Owner of the #62 is Richard Childress

Sponsor Updates
#26 Livedeal Text "Jeb" to 64600/ Nasdaq
#7 is Nikko Radio Control/Road Rippers
#98 Phoenix Construction (Curb Records was not on the car)
#30 Smokey Mountain Herbal Snuff/AKL


  180.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 12:58 am
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Broadcasting lineups for the remainder of the races this weekend:

Cup -- Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds, Darrell Waltrip
Xfinity -- Adam Alexander, Michael Waltrip
Truck -- Mike Joy (subbing for ill Steve Byrnes), Phil Parsons, Michael
Waltrip


  181.   startandparkfan posted:
  02.20.2015 - 8:23 am
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179, the sponsor for the 26 should just be listed as Livedeal/NASDAQ
Live, the text thing is not important.


  182.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 10:23 am
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"Xfinity -- Adam Alexander, Michael Waltrip"

Could FOX have done any worse in picking their Xfinity booth lineup? I
know that we always criticized ESPN's NASCAR coverage, but Allen
Bestwick was always great to listen to when covering the series with
Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett. Adam Alexander is pretty annoying to
listen to in my opinion. And Michael Waltrip, well...I think it's been
mentioned enough on here about his role as color commentator. I would
have much rather seen Brian Till get the role. He's really a great
commentator with any type of motorsports he covers.

Also so far it's been a very interesting SpeedWeeks thus far. I think it
will be hard to beat the Hendrick Motorsports and Joe Gibbs Racing
teams. I also really think that Team Hendrick is going to do all they
can to give Jeff Gordon a chance to win his final Daytona 500.


  183.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:11 am
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"Could FOX have done any worse in picking their Xfinity booth lineup? I
know that we always criticized ESPN's NASCAR coverage, but Allen
Bestwick was always great to listen to when covering the series with
Andy Petree and Dale Jarrett. Adam Alexander is pretty annoying to
listen to in my opinion. And Michael Waltrip, well...I think it's been
mentioned enough on here about his role as color commentator. I would
have much rather seen Brian Till get the role. He's really a great
commentator with any type of motorsports he covers."

I wish they would have given it to the A-team of Joy, McReynolds and DW,
like they did back in the early 2000's. Alexander isn't awful IMO, but
one race with Michael in the booth is more than enough, let alone two
and then his grid-walk during the 500 pre-race. Rusty Wallace would have
been a good hire for Fox; I feel that when he was actually in the booth,
his analysis was usually pretty on point (I noticed that as well
listening to the MRN broadcast last night).


  184.   James W. McLaughlin posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:26 am
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REPLY TO #183: I love it when a plan comes together!


  185.   racefangurl posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:26 am
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Anyone that's in it can win it if circumstances fall right. Jim Utter
admitted that, even. I can't rule out say Penske.


  186.   Anonymous posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:28 am
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Remember Walter White and Kenny last year? They had a fight over a girl.
Walter said something like "Hands off! She's mine." And Kenny wanted to
talk to the girl.


  187.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.20.2015 - 1:06 pm
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And was she worth it? :p

As someone who will struggle to watch the race, I don't care a huge
amount. As for predicting the winner, I'm going with racefangurl and
saying that there are those more likely to win it, but was Ricciardo
ever expected to win a GP in 2014, yet alone 3 in a much more
predictable motorsport series...

...it's a plate race. I'm going for 21 GWCs and a first time Cup winner :p


  188.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.20.2015 - 1:07 pm
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^did I mention rain delays and a bizarre incident involving a heron?


  189.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.20.2015 - 1:45 pm
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Mike Wallace shut all of us up. He didn't just get in, he got in without
any problems, drove well and his pit crew didn't make mistakes. We
underestimated his enormous experience and his well-known plate track
skills.

Same for Sorenson, I guess many are surprised he got in so smoothly.


  190.   Anonymous posted:
  02.20.2015 - 1:55 pm
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Walter White and Kenny were fighting over this nutty girl that posts
here. They comment here, too Have anyway.


  191.   racefangurl posted:
  02.20.2015 - 1:57 pm
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Jim Utter said Hendrick and Gibbs have the best shot, but someone else
could pull off the win. Penske was my example because they are on par
overall with those other teams.


  192.   MAR posted:
  02.20.2015 - 2:21 pm
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Anybody that bets against mike wallace in a plate race is crazy i wish
he could driver a top tier car in a plate race and im suprised Reed
Sorenson got in both are now Daytona Cinderella's


  193.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 3:41 pm
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The court has released their reasonings as to why Patricia Driscoll was
granted a restraining order against Kurt Busch. The conclusion states
that it is "more likely than not" that Busch strangled Driscoll.

Full quote: "The Court is satisfied that the evidence presented at trial
established that it is more likely than not that on September 26, 2014,
Respondent (Busch) committed an act of abuse against Petitioner
(Driscoll) by manually strangling Petitioner with his left hand on her
throat, while placing his right hand against her chin and face, causing
her head to forcefully strike the wall of Respondent's motor home,
thereby causing reckless physical energy to Petitioner and recklessly
placing Petitioner in reasonable apprehension of physical injury. The
Court further finds that Respondent's actions on that occasion
constituted contact that a reasonable person would find threatening or
harmful."

So, in other words, Kurt Busch's career is in serious jeopardy. (As well
it should be, assuming this is all true.)


  194.   epzik8 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 3:47 pm
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I feel like this race is going to be over before it starts.


  195.   RWR in SPRINT CUP GO!!! posted:
  02.20.2015 - 3:54 pm
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What happened really for Wise?


  196.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  02.20.2015 - 3:54 pm
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So how long will Kurt Busch survive before he is permanently kicked out
of NASCAR?


  197.   racefangurl posted:
  02.20.2015 - 4:18 pm
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@196, not very, I hope. I'm no fan of his. If you want to know how much
I'd miss him, stick your finger in a pond and see how much of a hole it
leaves. That's how much I'd miss him.


  198.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 4:27 pm
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On the Kurt Busch saga...

Both of them are lying, but the judge is believing her because she's a
woman, but...

They both need to be locked away from society for a long, long time.


  199.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 4:41 pm
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^Or, y'know, because there's evidence that suggests he assaulted her.

Driscoll's intentions for suing Busch may not be completely righteous,
and perhaps there are pieces of the puzzle that don't quite fit, but at
this point her side of the story is far more believable than her
ex-boyfriend's (who also claimed she was a trained assassin, if you
remember).

(Oh, and just to nix this part of the debate, anyone who says "there's
evidence to suggest Busch abused her" or "there's no evidence to suggest
Busch abused her" are talking out of their asses. We have no idea of the
kind of evidence that was brought to light in the courtroom.)


  200.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 4:59 pm
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Pretty much sticking with what I've been saying all along about the Kurt
Busch thing. I wasn't there, so I'm not even gonna attempt to speculate
on what actually happened.

That said, I think it'd be a pretty good idea for Kurt to take a year
off. Whether he did or didn't assault her, he still clearly has some
type of issues that need to be worked out. So I'd like to see him just
take a year off from racing and solely focus on working on himself. As
I've said before, I REALLY don't want this to turn into Leeroy Yarbrough
Part Two with him at some point down the line, but as the years keep
going by, I unfortunately am fearing this for him more and more. So I
hope he gets help in some shape or fashion.

As for Driscoll, all I can really say about her is that I feel really
sorry for the next guy that winds up with her. Regardless of what
happened with Kurt, she's obviously still MASSIVELY psychotic, and I
feel for anybody who draws the short end of the stick and ends up with her.


  201.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:09 pm
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The assassin claims were a stroke of genius...

...but then again, I expect a heron to make a cameo this Sunday during
the race, so maybe not...


  202.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:11 pm
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On a serious note, I have a feeling that what Hinch says is right (that
is Hinch on here, not James Hinchcliffe himself), but can neither
confirm nor deny that I do or do not side with either one or the other
in this argument due what may or may not be a past where I sort of
posted lots of kneejerk ott reactions a bit.


  203.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:17 pm
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Well, I didn't see it, but it appears as though Norm Benning either
completely dumped Timothy Peters in Truck qualifying, or he made an
absolutely mind-bending misjudgment. Either way, Stormin' Norman is
getting ripped apart on social media right now.


  204.   joey2448 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:27 pm
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Kurt Busch has been suspended indefinitely by NASCAR. Two days before
the Daytona 500. Wow. I still don't know all the deets, but stay tuned.


  205.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:30 pm
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Holy shit. Orange Cone just tweeted that Kurt Busch has been suspended
indefinitely.


  206.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:30 pm
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Regan Smith to the #41, I'm guessing.


  207.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:32 pm
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"Regan Smith to the #41, I'm guessing."

Honestly, my gut tells me it'll be Bowman, at least for this week.


  208.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:34 pm
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Never mind; Charlotte Observer says it's expected to be Smith.


  209.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:36 pm
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Good riddance to Kurt...

Anyway knows what happens when you put "The Kid," "The Legend," and
"Rex" together?


  210.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:39 pm
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"Never mind; Charlotte Observer says it's expected to be Smith."

Yeah, when Tony said during the Media Tour that they had a backup plan
in case Kurt couldn't race, I figured it would be Regan (since he filled
in for Tony at Watkins Glen last year).


  211.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:42 pm
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I just can't believe they waited so soon before the race to announce
this. What in the f*cking hell motivated NASCAR to wait until after the
Duels to suspend him? Makes absolutely zero sense to me.


  212.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:50 pm
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After the NFL debacle, I honestly can't blame Nascar for acting quickly
and not wanting any part of this.


  213.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:50 pm
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"I just can't believe they waited so soon before the race to announce
this. What in the f*cking hell motivated NASCAR to wait until after the
Duels to suspend him? Makes absolutely zero sense to me."

There was a pretty damning court opinion by the judge that was released
today. I suspect that had something to do with it.


  214.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:54 pm
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Jenna Fryer raises a good point: Gene Haas pays for that car and created
it specifically for Kurt so I wonder if it will even run the season.


  215.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 5:58 pm
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I kind of anticipated Kurt ultimately getting suspended over this...

All I'll say is this...I hope Kurt is able to use this time to sort out
his life and solve his personal issues and gremlins. He's going to NEED
to do that if we're ever going to see him in Cup...


  216.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:03 pm
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Holy crap. Watching truck qualifying. Saw the news. I am speechless
right now. This has come so suddenly for me, and just 2 days before the
daytona 500! This might be the biggest shocker of the year!

However, we need to look at a wider picture. This will heavily hurt the
credibility of NASCAR, given that one of it's top stars has commited
assult. And this will also hurt Stewart-Haas as well, and i'm positive
that even if Kurt returns, he will probably never live this down.

I don't think that Kurt will return. I think it's all over for him.


  217.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:05 pm
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"Gene Haas pays for that car and created it specifically for Kurt so I
wonder if it will even run the season."

I doubt they would fold it, at least not immediately. They'd probably
try and run it with Regan or whoever through the Spring and early Summer
and try to find some additional sponsorship or something. Or maybe Haas
will just pick out another driver that he'd like to sponsor full time. I
don't know. I'd be surprised if they just got rid of the whole team though.


  218.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:12 pm
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Trucks broke their track record.


  219.   1995z71 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:13 pm
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I'm guessing Regan Smith too, he subbed for Tony Stewart before.


  220.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:14 pm
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NASCAR has just confirmed that Kurt Busch is officialy suspended
indefinitely from the Sprint Cup Series. No word on a substitute driver,
but Regan Smith is the most likely candidates.


  221.   joey2448 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:15 pm
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I think this is the best decision NASCAR could've come to. Kurt has a
checkered past and I think some real time off to get help is what's
needed. The man has some serious issues but I think they are issues that
can be overcome.
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I really want to see
him to continue his career. I hope this isn't the end of it for him.


  222.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:24 pm
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"There was a pretty damning court opinion by the judge that was released
today. I suspect that had something to do with it."

Undoubtedly; just don't see why they wouldn't just wait until the middle
of next week to announce it. They completely screwed over Stewart-Haas
and that team by announcing it when they did.

All in all, I do agree with the punishment; if nothing else, it'll give
Kurt time to seek some professional help for whatever mental issues he's
dealing with. If it truly is the end for Kurt, though, I can't say I'll
be sad. Great driver, but one of the biggest complainers, team
detractors, and just overall douches this sport has ever seen.


  223.   Daniel posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:29 pm
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Won't happen, but I'd like to see Hornaday get the ride for Daytona.


  224.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:39 pm
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Id love to see Bowman get the ride for the 500 but it looks like it'll
be Regan Smith


  225.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:44 pm
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Chevy has announced they are cutting their ties with Kurt Busch
indefinitely.


  226.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:45 pm
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Chevy has suspended its relationship with Kurt Busch.


  227.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:45 pm
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Chevrolet has terminated their relationship with Kurt now as well. So
even if he does come back, it won't be in a Chevy.


  228.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 6:48 pm
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Does anyone else feel like this very well could be the end of Kurt's
career? Maybe if this were the only spot against him it wouldn't be, but
he's messed up so many times now.


  229.   23andJoe posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:00 pm
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>This will heavily hurt the credibility of NASCAR, given that one of
it's top stars has commited assult.

*looks at NFL*

Yeaaah no.


  230.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:01 pm
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"Chevrolet has terminated their relationship with Kurt now as well. So
even if he does come back, it won't be in a Chevy"
It won't affect his performance, given that all makes are equal.


  231.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:01 pm
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Another thing I just thought of: Even if he is allowed back, there's
pretty much zero chance that he'll be able to drive a Ford either
because of his relationship with both Roush and Penske.

Yeah, now I'm REALLY starting to think this is it for him in Nascar.
There's just way too much shit that adds up against him for him to make
another comeback.


  232.   ch posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:03 pm
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I still don't understand the suspension yet. Kurt has not been found
guilty of ANY crime, whatsoever. Today was just the opinion of one judge
that Driscoll's story was more convincing than Kurt's. This resulted in
a restraining order, and nothing else.

What the hell happened to innocent until proven guilty? Kurt is still
not guilty of domestic abuse, and his record is still clean! If it were
me, I would have waited for the criminal court case to conclude.


  233.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:09 pm
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"Does anyone else feel like this very well could be the end of Kurt's
career? Maybe if this were the only spot against him it wouldn't be, but
he's messed up so many times now."

As far as a full time team that competes for race wins and making the
Chase, yeah. With his past Champ provisional(assuming that stays in the
future), he'll be a candidate for small teams to put in a car for
Daytona like the Labontes have in recent years.
That's all assuming he isn't found guilty and serves jail
time/probation. If that happens, even the smallest of sponsors won't
touch him with a 10 foot pole.


  234.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:15 pm
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"What the hell happened to innocent until proven guilty?"

Nascar is in a no-win situation here. It's either they do what they did,
or they wait and get skewered by the media just like the NFL did. So I
think they did a reasonable job of protecting themselves from a
shitstorm, given the situation they were in. They MAYBE could have
gotten away with waiting until later in the week (like Long Shot was
saying), but they clearly don't want any part of this, so they did it now.

Also, no, Kurt doesn't have a clean record. He has caused Nascar
numerous headaches before through various ways both on and off the race
track, so I have to believe that another big part of this is Nascar just
saying "You know what, screw this, we're done with him". It may not be
the most ethical way of doing things, but at the same time, I can't
blame them really at all for wanting to finally distance themselves from
this guy once and for all.


  235.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:16 pm
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Who knows, maybe if he does come back he'll be relegated to driving for
a small Xfinity or Truck team


  236.   ch posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:18 pm
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"Also, no, Kurt doesn't have a clean record."

I meant Criminal, but I see your point.


  237.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:19 pm
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">This will heavily hurt the credibility of NASCAR, given that one of
it's top stars has commited assult.

*looks at NFL*

Yeaaah no."

This.

If NASCAR waits, people in and outside of the sport would asking for
NASCARs head. NASCAR moves too early, people ask for NASCARs head. Make
up your damn minds.

Look at this way everyone, NASCARs looks less bad down the road for
doing this. Even if NASCAR is wrong, they still look less bad. Everyone
demolishes NASCAR for following the NFL on everything they do, NASCAR is
actually doing an Anti-NFL. They are getting ahead of it while they can.
The NFL shots themselves in the foot (repeatedly) by making a mess of
it. Atleast NASCAR can say (if they are wrong on this) is "Were are
sorry Kurt, here is your NASCAR license. You can race here again."

NASCAR had too something, court of public opinion *Looks at NASCAR fans*
is bad place too be when you are f***ing up.

Is it right or wrong? IMHO i have no idea. NASCAR did CYA mode because
they had too.


  238.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:27 pm
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BTW here is something i do not think people have heard. Kurts ex said of
NASCAR (culture, family, everything) "NASCAR is just like the NFL
domestic violence wise."

That is slander everyone (and vastly untrue.) If it is found out that
she said that, NASCAR can remove her, her organization and everything
related too her like that.


  239.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 7:53 pm
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Well, as far as Kurt Busch is concerned, as the old saying goes, "three
strikes and you're out". This is the third time Kurt has been suspended,
the first being at the end of the his reign as champion in 2005 and the
second being in 2012 when he was driving the #51 car for James Finch. So
I think this is the end of Kurt's career. And I feel he should also have
been harshly dealt with when he spun Tony Stewart in the pits at Dover
in 2007, and probably would have been, if not for something else that
happened on that very day, which was the death of Bill France, Jr.
Because of the extreme sadness throughout the NASCAR community that
week, I think NASCAR let Kurt slide on that one.

And as for the timing of Kurt's suspension coming two days before the
biggest race of the season, the only thing like that I know of related
to the Daytona 500 came back in 1988, when Tim Richmond was suspended
for what was said to be a failed drug test, because he was eligible for,
and wanted to run in the Busch Clash. Of course, we know that the whole
Tim Richmond thing was the biggest cover-up in NASCAR history, beginning
in 1987 with Richmond and his people lying about what Tim had, going
right through the "suspension", and up to his death, and even past that.
The whole Tim Richmond fiasco was, and I think still is the biggest
cover-up in NASCAR history, because all sides were guilty of a cover-up.

And is it me, or is nothing seemingly going right during SpeedWeeks this
year. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as when they ran the
Indianapolis 500 for the 57th time (1973), but it seems that nothing's
going right for ANSCAR and the Daytona 500 this year. Matt Kenseth wins
the Shootout, but everyone remembers that race for the Logano-Harvick
spat after the race. The next day, Jeff Gordon wins the pole for his
final Daytona 500 with the first 200 MPH+ qualifying lap at Daytona
since 1987, but everyone remembers that for the controversial qualifying
format and the fur-car crash that erupted from it. Then in the
qualifying races, you had two pretty stout winners, but those races are
remembered for the Hamlin-Patrick incident that's I think is going to
haunt Denny Hamlin all year. And now this with Kurt Busch. The only good
thing about this is that the last time something like this happened, one
of the most memorable and talked about Daytona 500s ever run took place,
when Bobby Allison beat son Davey for his third Daytona 500 win, and the
final win of his career. And because of events that happened later that
year, Bobby Allison also became the last driver to win the Daytona 500
in his final start in the event. An omen for Jeff Gordon, perhaps?


  240.   Seagal posted:
  02.20.2015 - 8:09 pm
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What I find interesting about this whole thing is that the Court
acknowledged that she gave false testimony and bribed a witness...


  241.   racefangurl posted:
  02.20.2015 - 8:32 pm
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I kind of like Regan Smith, so I'm fine with him replacing Kurt Busch.
Now he can show what he can do with good equipment, if he is the
replacement.


  242.   MAR posted:
  02.20.2015 - 8:55 pm
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Kurt Busch keeps getting in his own way sucks but interested to see who
replaces him most likely Smith but Parker Kligerman who subbed for Busch
during his indy 500 stint might get a chance


  243.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 9:42 pm
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SHR confirms Regan Smith will drive the #41 in the 500.


  244.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.20.2015 - 10:09 pm
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If NASCAR hadn't taken the measures they took today, the feminist (which
are probably a minority, but they are LOUD and VOCAL and have friends in
the media) would have gotten hold of the story and NASCAR would have
been crucified. Really they had no other choice, right or wrong.


  245.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.20.2015 - 10:11 pm
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"What I find interesting about this whole thing is that the Court
acknowledged that she gave false testimony and bribed a witness..."

Karma is going too come and bite her on the butt. She isn't wrapped up
too tight too begin with. She will slip up.


  246.   Ernest T. posted:
  02.20.2015 - 10:16 pm
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"If NASCAR hadn't taken the measures they took today, the feminist
(which are probably a minority, but they are LOUD and VOCAL and have
friends in the media) would have gotten hold of the story and NASCAR
would have been crucified. Really they had no other choice, right or wrong."

Truth. A sad commentary on society and the infinitesimal size of the
testicles of those who run NASCAR, however.

It would have been nice to see NASCAR stand up and say "Kurt Busch has
been convicted of nothing, and we will take no action until the due
process of the law has been observed. In this country a man is innocent
until _proven_ guilty, not the other way around."


  247.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.20.2015 - 10:27 pm
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Honestly, I think NASCAR did a decent job handling this. They didn't
jump the gun the way feminists would have wanted them too, but they they
acted swiftly and harshly once they realized the inevitable.


  248.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.20.2015 - 10:30 pm
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Yes, Regan Smith will drive the #41 car in the Daytona 500, and as some
suspected, giving Kurt a ride in such a good car was like playing
Russian Roulette, because of his past, which has come back to haunt him
one final time, as his racing career is, for all intents and purposes,
over. And even though it would have been good to see Alex Bowman get
selected, if for no other reason than he's running for points in the Cup
Series, the truth is that Smith is the best choice, mainly because of
his experience. Remember that he won the 300 last year and had a chance
to win the Daytona 500 in 2011. However, who's the long-team option for
that car, because unless Smith changes his mind and decides to run the
Cup Series full-time, SHR has a real tough decision to make as to who to
put in that car full-time in 2015, and Regan Smith suddenly has a real
hard decision to make as to what series he's going to try to earn points
in.

Another question regarding this is, with Bowman failing to qualify for
the Daytona 500, how is Tommy Baldwin Racing affected, because if they
run into money trouble with a top-flight car now available, they could
decide to cut back and make a deal with SHR to have Bowman drive the #41
car. Another possible option for Tony is to go back to his roots in the
Cup Series, and put Bobby Labonte in that car. After all, Tony and Bobby
were teammates at JGR for nine years, counting Stewart's time driving
for JGR in the XFinity Series while he was still racing IndyCars in 1997
and '98, and Tony could simply replace one champion with another, and
give Bobby the same chance that Dale Earnhardt once gave Darrell
Waltrip. But there's no question, SHR is in a REAL bad predicament with
what happened, because he now has a top-flight car with no driver to put
in full-time at the moment.

And with the albatross that is Danica Patrick, not to mention Tony's own
career winding down (though I do think he gets back on track in 2015),
what was once a big future for SHR may be coming apart at the seams. In
other words, Kevin Harvick may soon be right back where he was the last
few years he was with Richard Childress, and that is being the only
dependable driver in a big multi-car team. With what has happened with
Kurt Busch, Stewart-Haas Racing may soon be in BIG trouble.


  249.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.20.2015 - 10:34 pm
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I really like the idea of putting Bobby Labonte in the way DW filled in
for Steve Park. Won't happen, though. Would like to be proven wrong.


  250.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:03 pm
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I have to admit, seeing Bobby get one final season in a top flight ride
like that would be really cool. But like Zack said, it won't happen
(though on second thought, it wouldn't completely surprise me if they
got Bobby to run it just once at Atlanta, given his stellar history there).

Completely agree with CJS though. For the foreseeable future, SHR is in
pretty big trouble. I've said it a few times on here, but I think they
seriously missed the boat by not going after one of these hot
up-and-comers (Larson, Elliott, Blaney, etc) before they were snatched
up by other teams. They do have Cole Custer, who I think is really
talented, but he's only 17 years old, so he's at least two to three
years away (at a minimum) of even starting to get his feet wet in Cup. I
guess technically he could be eligible to run the full Cup season next
year (he turns 18 in January, right before the season starts) if they
decided to Logano him, but I can't believe they'd do something that
moronic (at least I hope they wouldn't, for Cole's sake).

I don't know. It will be interesting for sure. Like I said earlier
though, I'll be quite surprised if they just shut the whole #41 team
down, so I have to believe that they'll at least tab somebody to run at
least the majority of the season in the car.


  251.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:19 pm
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I think it's either going to be Bowman or Cassill running the remainder
of the season in the 41. They have the Chevrolet ties, and both are
driving for small teams that would likely be willing to let them leave
if given the opportunity
(like FRM did with Cassill a few years ago). As for who would replace
them in that ride, I could see Justin Marks being an option.


  252.   Dave #38 Fan-Go Gilliland! posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:25 pm
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I'd like to see Josh Wise get the #41 seat, he's never had good
equipment in cup and he used to drive for Tony Stewart in USAC.


  253.   murb posted:
  02.20.2015 - 11:29 pm
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Damn, they even removed all of Kurt's gear on the Nascar.com online
store. They REALLY want no part of him anymore.

"I think it's either going to be Bowman or Cassill running the remainder
of the season in the 41."

I was thinking about Cassill earlier as someone who I'd like to see as a
full time replacement, if they go that route. Bowman would obviously be
great too (though, due to his experience with JRM last year, I'd
actually like to see him get the #7 NXS ride, should Regan wind up full
time in the #41), but if it's between Bowman and Cassill, as big of a
Bowman fan as I am, I think I'd honestly rather see Cassill get it, just
because he's been putting up great numbers in garbage equipment for SO
many years now. I really want to see him get a great break somewhere.


  254.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 12:55 am
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But here's an irony for you, one that I forgot, and it seems that
everyone else did too. Remember a few years ago that it was Kurt Busch
that replaced Regan Smith in the Furniture Row Racing #78 car, a move
that dumbfounded a lot of people then. Now because of what happened, the
#41 team is making the same move in reverse, with Regan Smith replacing
Kurt Busch. Of course, if this turns into an Al Unser at Indy-type story
with Regan contending for the win, and given Regan's history in big
races, it very well could. Remember that Regan Smith had a very real
chance to win the Daytona 500 in 2011, did win the Southern 500 that
year, and finished third in another crown jewel, the Brickyard 400, that
same year. then last year, he wins the Saturday race at Daytona during
SpeedWeeks, the first full-time XFinity Series driver that wasn't a Cup
regular to do that since Randy LaJoie in 2001. So if Regan Smith
contended for the win Sunday, I don't think that would surprise anyone.

And @252, there's another link regarding Josh Wise and SHR that many
people may not know about. Remember that Wise split time with Danica
Patrick in JR Motorsports' #7 car in 2011, frequently running better
than Danica did, so Tony might ask Dale, Jr. or Danica about Wise. I
think what happened with Wise and the #98 car Thursday may be the
beginning of the end of Phil Parsons' team, and even if it's not, it
wouldn't surprise me that if Tony gave Wise a shot in that car, that
Parsons might just let Wise drive that car.

Remember something else. Both Wise and Bowman are from the western part
of the country, and after the race at Atlanta, the next three races are
in the west (Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Fontana, CA), so SHR might give one
of those western drivers a shot in the #41 car out west, because they do
have fans out there.


  255.   Scott B posted:
  02.21.2015 - 3:09 am
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Too bad for Jeb Burton the 41 ride wasn't open two weeks earlier.


  256.   Scott B posted:
  02.21.2015 - 5:31 am
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I think we'll see Regan Smith in the #41 for the rest of the season. The
only obstacle is working out a deal with JR and the sponsors at the
Xfinity level to swap someone else into that seat, which should be
possible by the time schedule conflicts come into play.

If Smith does well, and I think he will, this could turn into a
multi-year deal.


  257.   Cornys posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:19 am
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The Duels really need to be moved to Fox next year if they want
viewership. They got killed by other cable networks Thursday night. Not
bad for Fox Sports 1, but it's not good for NASCAR.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/02/20/thursday-cable-ratings-vikings-wins-night-pawn-stars-wwe-smackdown-impractical-jokers-archer-more/365639/


  258.   Cornys posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:21 am
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^ Referencing my previous comment on ratings. The viewership overnight
number was just over 3,000,000. On Fox it probably would have been at
least 5,000,000.

Vikings is a great show though :D


  259.   Cornys posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:26 am
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NASCAR may have been waiting until just before the 500 to make their
move. There's no such thing as bad publicity. :shrug:

I've always wished that organizations would wait until proven guilty in
a court of law before making any changes, but while in law it works that
way, in the court of public opinion it does not. This is a sad truth
about our society.


  260.   Aaron posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:22 am
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Couple thoughts on what's transpired since Thursday:

1) I told whoever posted 61 not to worry about Dale Jr., and then a
couple days later he makes me look like a genius by winning the
Budweiser Duel for his first win in an odd-numbered season since 2005.
In dominant fashion as well.

2) Kurt was targeted by the psychotic bimbo. Never did she say she
wanted justice for something, she just wanted to ruin his career. It'll
be ARCA, USAC and drag racing for Kurt from here on out unless IndyCar
will take him once this ruling blows over.

3) Why would Haas shut down the 41 just because Kurt is suspended? Gene
is smart enough to know not to ruin the livelihoods of dozens of crew
guys and support staff over something out of their control. This isn't a
budget issue. Sure, he started it for Kurt. Doesn't mean it's over though.

4) Regan Smith is the right guy to drive Kurt's car for the Daytona 500.
Thing is, his driving for JR Motorsports and the contract he has with
the team means he's racing for an XFINITY championship and can't earn
Cup points, so I don't see him doing the full season because he can't
earn points for the 41. It being a full-time, high-profile team that
wants to make the Chase, there needs to be a driver eligible for Cup
points behind the wheel for most of the season. I don't see Dale Jr.
just letting Regan walk, in terms of points.


  261.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 10:54 am
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If he was hired to drive the #41 car for the entire season, Aaron
(#260), Smith can always decide to change the series in which he wants
to earn points, so that's no problem. Remember that this came up a few
years ago after Trevor Bayne won the Daytona 500 and the Wood Brothers
ran the next 6-8 races (they ran every race through the spring race at
Talladega that year), trying take advantage of that Daytona 500 win to
get the sponsorship needed to run the full season, even running at
Phoenix, Bristol, and Martinsville, but it didn't work, and it wouldn't
have mattered anyway because of what happened to Trevor just before the
weekend at Richmond. So this is not the first time something like this
has come up regarding an XFinity Series driver possibly running the full
Cup season since the rule was put in forcing the drivers to commit to
what series they chose to earn points in.

But I've always maintained that drivers in lower series should always be
allowed to earn points in higher series. For instance, I've always felt
that full-time drivers in the Truck or XFinity Series should still be
allowed to earn points in the Cup Series races they run. Certainly, Cup
drivers should never have been allowed to earn points in the lower
series, but full-time drivers in lower series should always be allowed
to earn points in the Cup Series. Drivers from other forms of racing,
and even the ARCA series, can earn points in the Cup Series, so why not
drivers from lower series within NASCAR?


  262.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.21.2015 - 11:13 am
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My take: I couldn't agree more with Zackary Shawn, NASCAR didn't take
what I would call the most ethical route, but they done what they needed
to to save face in the media(though I have to say, in my opinion, with
NASCAR having fallen so far in the mainstream view and really not that
many people outside of the diehards and the fair weather cliques even
caring about the sport anymore, I personally think the amount and weight
of PR damage they would have taken would be negligible,feel free to
disagree with me). I personally wish they would have waited until after
the 500 to do it, but I do (reluctantly) agree to an extent that they
didn't have much choice. I'm also not a fan of the view that just
because of the NFL debacle NASCAR should just run from the situation as
fast as they can, it all seems just a bit too easy and convenient to me.
I agree with Ernest T @246 in this. That said, I understand why they
made the decision, and I do agree with the PRINCIPLE of it.

As for Kurt and Patricia, I wasn't at the alleged happening, and won't
claim to know the details of what happened at the court case, but it's
pretty clear that both are really messed up right now and seem like they
could be capable of almost anything. I think there is equal amount of
chance Kurt could have indeed committed assault, and equal chance that
he could be innocent on this one. I agree with murb on Patrica, any guy
with any sense whatsoever will stay away from her. In the end I agree
that a prolonged absence is what Kurt needs, he just has far too many
personal problems that he needs to tend to(and this time that means not
just sweeping it under the rug). He has caused NASCAR many problems
already and has quite a history, so I can understand frustration playing
a part for them. In the end, I agree with the decision at large, i just
wish they would have went about it a little differently. I do understand
why they DID make the choice as fast as they did, as well the viewpoints
of others.And I know I'm probably in a minority here, but these are just
my 2+ cents.


  263.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 11:37 am
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Landon Cassill could take the car when Smith has schedule conflicts,
say. Landon's good driver and Smith had such Nationwide/Xfinity season
last year, he's earned another chance. I like both these drivers and
Alex Bowman, I just don't care. I don't know too much about the guy yet.


  264.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 11:43 am
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I, like cjs, think minor league (any NASCAR series lower than Cup)
drivers should be able to earn points when they race in a higher series.
Modified,K&N Pro, Truck and Xfinity drivers can earn points in their
primary series and any higher series they race in is how it should be.


  265.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 12:31 pm
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More pure idiocy in NXS qualifying.


  266.   Canadianfan posted:
  02.21.2015 - 12:41 pm
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well NASCAR back to the drawing board.clearly groupcall thing doesn't
work. Even if you tweak the rules I know single car takes 4 hours to do
but it is the correct way of doing it and it should be left alone. Some
of these teams might not have backups or even make the race now this is
just stupid what the hell are we doing this make no sense.


  267.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 12:52 pm
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Group qual's no good at plate tracks.


  268.   Aaron posted:
  02.21.2015 - 12:55 pm
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"If he was hired to drive the #41 car for the entire season, Aaron
(#260), Smith can always decide to change the series in which he wants
to earn points, so that's no problem."

Dale Jr. would probably say otherwise. He hired Smith to race for a
championship and he has sponsors in XFINITY to answer to as well. I
don't think Junior wants to run a car full-time for a guy who won't earn
points in it. That's the rub.


  269.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.21.2015 - 1:00 pm
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Here's my thoughts...group qualifying isn't the problem, drivers acting
like idiots is. No reason for Suarez to pull that move, IMO.


  270.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 1:03 pm
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"Here's my thoughts...group qualifying isn't the problem, drivers acting
like idiots is. No reason for Suarez to pull that move, IMO."

I agree. I do think the format could be slightly tweaked (maybe just
have like 10 groups of four go out or something so you don't have a big
crash), but most of all, these drivers need to stop trying to play mind
games and just go out and run flat out for two minutes. It isn't rocket
science.


  271.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 1:49 pm
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Will Regan Smith stay an Xfinity driver? That's the question. The JR
motorsports drivers are said to be strong championship picks. I'll try
to be rational about Smith, even though I tend to get fired up about
drivers I like.


  272.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  02.21.2015 - 1:56 pm
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Occasional sprinkles today for the NXS race according to NWS Melbourne,
FL. Tomorrow will include some patchy fog, but luckily during the
morning, not during race time. Sunny skies all day after the fog.


  273.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 2:23 pm
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"Occasional sprinkles today for the NXS race according to NWS Melbourne,
FL."

Trust me when I say this: Don't believe them!


  274.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 3:07 pm
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I guess everyone's on the Xfinity boards. I can't watch FS1, so I don't
care if it rains today. I hope tomorrow afternoon's nice, though.


  275.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 3:32 pm
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Kurt Busch's suspension has been upheld.


  276.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 3:33 pm
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Good. Dumbo deserved it.


  277.   Halperin posted:
  02.21.2015 - 3:36 pm
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Some "appeal" process. Was it decided by the same kangaroo court which
handed down the suspension to begin with, or did they resort to using
sock puppets to make it appear independent?


  278.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 3:47 pm
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"Some "appeal" process. Was it decided by the same kangaroo court which
handed down the suspension to begin with, or did they resort to using
sock puppets to make it appear independent?"

Or maybe it was decided by people that (*gasp*) knew of the statements
regarding the incident that were released by the court and wanted to
avoid a scenario like the NFL's. But to hell with logic and rationality!


  279.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 3:53 pm
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I thought DSFF and me were the king and queen of irrationality. Halperin
can be prince or princess, depending on whether said poster's a guy or gal.


  280.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.21.2015 - 4:00 pm
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Anyone else find that there normally seems to be a different ruleset
that applies to sportsmen and other individuals in the public eye when
they commit a crime than the one that applies to Jim down the road or
Claire next door? It's even weirder when things called laws are supposed
to apply to everyone equally...

...same with the Tony Stewart incident last year. I think that a lot of
people defend these actions without knowing what actually happened due
to the prominence of these people.

Saying that, I wasn't there at the time of the incident so my opinion is
of no use to any judge, and am only using 2 cases of thousands, you can
probably slam me down with cases where this doesn't apply one bit.

And I know this is probably the wrong place to post this, but I'm going
to do it anyway.

Nor is this necessarily what I actually think, just food for thought and
potential for a monumental argument...


  281.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.21.2015 - 4:02 pm
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^ I mean 'commit a crime' as well as commit a crime, otherwise it may
not be applicable here, which seems to largely depend on your gender and
love of Kurt's driving style...


  282.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 4:03 pm
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I hope they're having fun on the Xfinity boards without me.


  283.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.21.2015 - 4:09 pm
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Racefangurl, that's why I'm encouraging an in-depth and potentially
fiery philosophical/political debate. So others like us who can't watch
the NXS race can, erm, do something, erm...

...constructive???

Or maybe I've misjudged this a bit.


  284.   racefangurl posted:
  02.21.2015 - 4:20 pm
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I'm no Kurt Busch fan, but I imagine folks that are wouldn't be too
happy now. I remember when AJ Allmendinger was suspended for drugs
(Adderall). Not a big fan of his, but some woman that had 'Dinger stuff
all over her room cried over his suspension.


  285.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.21.2015 - 4:28 pm
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Ok, I've completely misjudged this. If people could just ignore #280 and
#281 because they have failed in their cause. Damn you, NASCAR. Damn
you. You took my audience -_-

But go Bubba!!!


  286.   Aaron posted:
  02.21.2015 - 4:36 pm
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Kurt's career is ruined because a commissioner decided to believe a
crazy woman because she was a good actress when giving her "testimony."


  287.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 6:42 pm
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Looks like this will be the first Daytona 500 since 2000 without a Busch
in it.


  288.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 6:54 pm
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"Kurt's career is ruined because a commissioner decided to believe a
crazy woman because she was a good actress when giving her "testimony.""

Stop presenting things as fact when you and I (and everyone on this
board, for that matter) have zero idea what happened and/or what
evidence was presented in that courtroom. Thank you.


  289.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 6:58 pm
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I'll say this, though: the A-topic for this week (and for the coming
weeks) should not be Kurt Busch. It should be asking the question, "why
in the f*cking hell are there not SAFER barriers lining the entirety of
every track in NASCAR"? It's such an obvious problem that can be solved
so easily and without major financial ramifications. Why the f*ck has
NASCAR not mandated this by now?

If anyone can give me a reasonable excuse as to why it hasn't, I am all
ears.


  290.   Ryan posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:08 pm
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Alex Bowman should drive the 18 if Busch can't


  291.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:17 pm
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"Alex Bowman should drive the 18 if Busch can't"

100% agree, but I don't think it'll happen, since Bowman drives for a
Chevy team.


  292.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:22 pm
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Official: Kyle Busch is awake and alert, but is OUT of the Daytona 500
with a right leg injury. Extent not yet known.


  293.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:33 pm
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"I'll say this, though: the A-topic for this week (and for the coming
weeks) should not be Kurt Busch. It should be asking the question, "why
in the f*cking hell are there not SAFER barriers lining the entirety of
every track in NASCAR"? It's such an obvious problem that can be solved
so easily and without major financial ramifications. Why the f*ck has
NASCAR not mandated this by now?"

I really hate the excuse of it being a financial burden to these
big-name tracks like Daytona. They certainly have millions to shell out
for the"Daytona Rising" featuring new concessions, seating, etc., yet
they can't simply add SAFER barriers to a track where wrecks are very
common?


  294.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:33 pm
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As much as I dislike Kyle Busch (no kidding; I'm probably one of the
people here who likes him the LEAST, and that's saying something), I
hate to hear that he's out of the 500. I wish him all the best of luck
in his recovery, and hopefully we'll see him back in a Cup car soon once
he's healed up.

And maybe, just MAYBE, this will be the end of his constant
double-dipping into the lower series. Hate that it might have had to
take something like THIS for that to happen, though...

Curious to see who will drive the 18 tomorrow...


  295.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:34 pm
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Sucks for Kyle, and I wish him a speedy recovery, but hopefully after
this he will realize the dangers of getting hurt in a lower series race
and having it potentially ruin his Cup season.

As far as #18 replacements go, I have to believe it will be somebody
already in Daytona. My three early guesses are Josh Wise, Jeb Burton,
and Joe Nemechek. MAYBE Erik Jones, but I don't know if they would just
throw him into it like that.


  296.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:36 pm
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If I were to guess as to who would replace Kyle, I'd say Josh Wise. Read
on Twitter that rookies can't be called up as replacement drivers unless
they practiced the car beforehand, so Erik Jones and Daniel Suarez are
out for sure. Brian Keselowski also mentioned that Wise is close to
Kyle's size, so that would work in his favor as well.


  297.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 7:48 pm
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Considering everybody last named "France" or "Kennedy" involved in
NASCAR individually has enough money to put SAFER barriers on every oval
and road course in the US and still have $50,000,000 leftover, there is
no excuse for not having SAFER barriers on every wall of every track.


  298.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:00 pm
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Apparently Marty Smith just went on a batshit rant on SportsCenter about
the SAFER barrier situation. I've never been much of a fan of Marty, but
good on him.

I echo everybody. It's absolutely unacceptable to not have SAFER
barriers at every corner at every race track in the year 2015.


  299.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:04 pm
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A twin PR nightmare for the officiating body headed into the
500...allegations of domestic violence from a former champion and driver
safety after the Busch Xfinity Series crash.
CJS is a prophet once again.


  300.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:10 pm
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A couple of NASCAR writers are tweeting that Matt Crafton is headed back
to Daytona and being fitted for a seat.


  301.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:13 pm
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Wow, didn't even think of Crafton, but solid choice if true.


  302.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:20 pm
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DIS president Joie Chitwood just said in his presser that SAFER barriers
will be installed "on every inch of our property" after the 500. A tire
pack barrier will be placed there for tomorrow. Kudos to him for taking
responsibility and making the necessary changes so quickly.


  303.   epzik8 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:21 pm
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I still have Dale Jr. winning this because he just has a fast car.


  304.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:25 pm
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NASCAR will install a tire barrier for tomorrow and get to work on SAFER
Barriers on Monday.


  305.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:32 pm
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@298 Man I missed that, what did he say?


  306.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:38 pm
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"I really hate the excuse of it being a financial burden to these
big-name tracks like Daytona. They certainly have millions to shell out
for the"Daytona Rising" featuring new concessions, seating, etc., yet
they can't simply add SAFER barriers to a track where wrecks are very
common?"

NASCAR may own the track but i think it up too the tracks themselves too
decide the SAFER barrier thing. Too be honest though, DIS is too blame.
Rearranging the deck chairs around, improving fan experience and the
other crap they didn't even think about SAFER barriers. Good going DIS.

"Apparently Marty Smith just went on a batshit rant on SportsCenter
about the SAFER barrier situation."

Where the hell was he when NASCAR was donkey d***ing around from 2007
too 2014? Way too step up the plate after the fact Marty Smith. *rolls eyes*

But i agree with everyone, in 2015 SAFER barriers are needed everywhere.


  307.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:39 pm
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We've already had an entire season's worth of craziness and the first
race hasn't even started yet. There's been controversy, a suspension, an
injury, and two fights.


  308.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:42 pm
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"Man I missed that, what did he say?"

He basically just trashed the tracks and Nascar for not dedicating
enough time and money into more SAFER barriers. In a nutshell, it was
pretty much the same thing everyone else has been saying.


  309.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:51 pm
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Thank you murb, once again; Yeah NASCAR just doesn't want to shell out
any cash to improve the safety of the tracks. They have done an awesome
job with the cars, but they are still quite a ways behind where they
should be with track safety.


  310.   Baxter posted:
  02.21.2015 - 8:56 pm
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Crafton is a good choice. He attempted a cup race last year for Robby
Benton's team, and may actually have a chance at a good run if he is
chosen.


  311.   Baxter posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:00 pm
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First cup race with no Busch brother since the 2001 NAPA 500 at Atlanta,
despite running a full season Kurt DNQed, and Kyle was not yet running
in the cup series.


  312.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:11 pm
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Damn, apparently Kyle has a compound fracture (same thing Stewart had),
and he'll be out 6 months. REALLY hate that.


  313.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:14 pm
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"Damn, apparently Kyle has a compound fracture (same thing Stewart had),
and he'll be out 6 months. REALLY hate that."

That sucks BIG TIME. But i'm glad he is still with us.


  314.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:15 pm
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That's not confirmed yet though, but there's a lot of people saying
that. So I don't know.


  315.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:18 pm
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Read on Jayski that apparently Crafton will be driving the #18 in the
500 tomorrow.


  316.   murb posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:23 pm
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Confirmed by Nascar now. He has a right leg compound fracture AND a foot
fracture. He's having surgery tonight. Damn it, that REALLY sucks. Get
well soon Kyle.


  317.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:23 pm
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NASCAR through twitter confirmed,
1)Kyle Busch's injuries
2)Crafton in the #18 tomorrow

Also read that Kyle is already in surgery for his right leg injury; he
fractured his left foot too.


  318.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:28 pm
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Yeowch. Kyle's gonna be out for MONTHS. Not what I wanted to hear.
Hoping he can recover quickly and still be competitive when he gets
back; would be a shame to see someone as talented as him have their
career forever altered by such a horrible accident. At least he's still
alive, though...twenty years ago I'm pretty sure Kyle would probably be
dead after an impact like that...

The only bright spot is that Crafton will get to make his Cup
Series/Daytona 500 debut in a really good car. What a story it would be
if he could win the 500!


  319.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.21.2015 - 9:50 pm
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Kyle has a compound fracture (same as what that basketball player, Kevin
Ware, suffered a couple of years ago if anyone remembers that) so I
imagine he'll be out for a while.


  320.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.21.2015 - 10:54 pm
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"Damn, apparently Kyle has a compound fracture (same thing Stewart had),
and he'll be out 6 months. REALLY hate that."

Crap that's terrible. I pray and hope Kyle makes a complete recovery and
be competitive when he returns.


  321.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.21.2015 - 11:39 pm
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Busch brothers update: Kyle has undergone successful surgery and is
"resting comfortably". Kurt, on the other hand, has had his final appeal
denied. His attorney, Rusty Hardin (the same POS that is currently
handling Adrian Peterson's case), has stated that they will do
everything possible to get Busch reinstated. Assuming this means a
lawsuit is forthcoming.


  322.   NASCARisanembarassment posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:08 am
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Well, my favorite driver is injured and done for the year before the
season even started, because of NASCAR's continued ignorance and
arrogance. Which comes as no surprise to anyone who's watched NASCAR
lately. I guess a driver has to die before they do something about track
safety. Do they even have a PR department? Somehow the only time NASCAR
ever makes it out of the niche sports pages and into the mainstream is
for something negative: a driver fight, a driver injury, a driver
failing a drug test, or suspended for domestic abuse, a driver killing
someone, a controversial finish, a possibly rigged finish that affects
who gets to race for the championship, it's always some stupid BS with
this sport.

I'm done watching the races as long as Kyle is out. Getting sick of the
constant BS this sport makes you put up with. It's never just about the
racing anymore. Ugh.


  323.   DaleSrFanForNever posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:01 am
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I'm not a Kyle Busch fan, but if I was him and this injury ended up
affecting me for the rest of my life, I'd sue NASCAR. I'm sure there's
something he could sue them for, some kind of negligence because they
purposely avoided a safety measure that could have prevented an injury,
and in the meantime they're spending hundreds of millions on renovations
to this very track while simultaneously claiming that the lack of safer
barriers is a money issue. Sue them just to start a controversy and drag
their brand through the mud.

Just saying, if I was three months away from having my first child and I
suffered a permanent injury because some higher-ups in NASCAR are
cheapskates, I'd want some restitution.


  324.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:09 am
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It does make you wonder (again) that it always seems to take NASCAR a
serious injury/death striking one of their big names in an avoidable
incident before they make any remote safety changes.

And that's pathetic.


  325.   Tim R posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:15 am
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As sick as I am of seeing Kyle dominate the lower series and being a
little petulant and immature, I hope he bounces back soon. Like him or
not, he's one of the best talents in the garage.

On a related note, I wonder how much Bubba Wallace regrets getting out
of his JGR contract to go to Roush in the offseason at this very moment.


  326.   John Royal posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:13 am
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Well is this a bummer. I love to watch both Kyle and Kurt racing at
these races (Cup, not Grand National) and they are OUT. And both because
NASCAR taking measurements and not taking measurements.


  327.   John Royal posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:19 am
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And I think the word here is "measures" and not "measurements".


  328.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:31 am
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" 323. DaleSrFanForNever posted:
02.22.2015 - 2:01 am"

For those of you who thought this was a typical DSFF troll post, pay
close attention to the name... there's an extra "N" in there.


  329.   Walter White posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:04 am
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So I see someone dropped my name. I hope they do it again. And trust me,
I'm the last person you want to get on the bad side of. Anonymous, I am
watching you, and when you slip on that banana peel, you will fall and
your skull will crack and I will be there laughing my head off. I
believe that today's race will be a good one. I'm feeling history. It is
a chaotic time, and chaos will ensue on a massive scale today. I hope a
Roush car wins so people will stop talking crap on an organization far
better then people think. Give em hell Cat in the Hat!


  330.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:08 am
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Hopefully these controversies won't interfere with the actual race today.


  331.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 8:54 am
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Erik Jones was JGR's first choice to sub for Kyle Busch but NASCAR would
not approve the rookie for Cup competition.


  332.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 9:27 am
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@325, I bet Bubba would be driving that car for the next 6 months had he
stayed with that team


  333.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 9:56 am
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My guy Kyle Busch is out 6 months due to a fracture leg sucks man but
like i said in an earlier post like 3 days ago i really hated hearing he
was scheduled for 26 meaningless Xfinity series races and then look what
happens as a result but honestly i blame Joe and JD Gibbs for putting
kyle in this position Bubba Wallace should have had a Xfinity series
ride with that team and not Kyle hopefully now Kyle will not accept
running ridiculous number of Xfinity Series races its not worth it he's
the best talent in the sport and shouldn't be wasting it running
meaningless races.


  334.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 9:58 am
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Anyways my pick to win is Tony Stewart but my sleepers are Landon
Cassil, Kyle Larson and Ricky Stenhouse i could absolutely see a weekend
sweep of first time winners


  335.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:00 am
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"I wonder how much Bubba Wallace regrets getting out of his JGR contract
to go to Roush in the offseason at this very moment."

I doubt he's thinking too much about it. Overall he's still in a better
long term situation at Roush. It's better to be guaranteed a full time
ride in NXS (or at least "22+ races", which is technically what his
schedule currently stands at) than to just potentially have an outside
opportunity for a few months as a fill in driver. And besides, even if
he were still there, we can't guarantee at all that JGR would have
tabbed him as Kyle's replacement. Looking at both JGR's past decisions
with fill in drivers (guys like McDowell, Vickers, etc) and their
rightful enthusiasm about Erik Jones (it seemed last year that they were
definitely more gung ho on Erik than Bubba), I have a hard time
believing they would have chosen him anyway (he might have gotten a few
of the #54 NXS races, but probably not much more).

"Erik Jones was JGR's first choice to sub for Kyle Busch but NASCAR
would not approve the rookie for Cup competition."

Saw this too. That tells me that he might be running quite a few races
in the #18 as we move forward. Not sure if I would just throw him in
there that quickly without him having even run a full season in ANY
series, but I think he's extremely talented, so he could probably pull
it off as long as he has some good coaching in his corner.

Some people will probably see this as just nostalgia and another
"retread" option, but I really think they should consider Bobby Labonte
as the majority replacement for the #18. It all just makes perfect
sense. Obviously Bobby's history with that car and that number would be
the coolest part, but most importantly, Bobby would do exactly what
needs to be done here for this team as Kyle is healing. He wouldn't tear
the car up, he wouldn't be getting involved in any stupid on track
skirmishes, he'd be providing a lot of wisdom and information to that
team (which definitely wouldn't hurt, given crew chief Adam Stevens'
rookie status in Cup), and overall, as a 20+ year veteran and former
champion, he'd just hold the fort down really well for five or six
months while Kyle is on the mend.

I know it's not likely at all and it's probably just wishful thinking at
this point, but I REALLY hope they at least consider Bobby. I think
that's a better decision most of the other options they'll probably look
at (which at this point seem to be just throwing Erik Jones to the
wolves, or just having a random assortment of guys like Crafton, maybe
Wise, maybe McDowell, etc - Bowman and Cassill would be OUTSTANDING
choices, but unfortunately I don't see them even considering those guys).


  336.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:05 am
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I think that's a better decision most of the other options they'll
probably look at (which at this point seem to be just throwing Erik
Jones to the wolves...

If JGR put Jones in the car now, it would be Logano 2.0.


  337.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:24 am
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Most likely JGR will use Edwards and Hamlin to substitute for Busch in
the Xfinity series in cup i do think you'll see Erik Jones but only a
couple races i think Parker Kligerman or Ryan Truex who have past
history with Kyle/ JGR could get a consideration i like the Bobby
Labonte idea but doubt its gonna happen Matt Crafton is a safe choice
and also Reed Sorenson is available but who knows who will get a shot


  338.   Robert posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:24 am
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Between the #18 and #41 both being open for the foreseeable future, I'm
really hoping that some veterans who deserve a good ride can get some
time in these top-tier cars instead of a bunch of kids with money. Bobby
Labonte anyone? Jeff Burton? Even Ward Burton? Coax Terry Labonte out of
retirement? Okay, I'm stretching it now. But what about someone like
Dave Blaney? Joe Nemechek? I'd much rather see some of those drivers in
those cars than Regan Smith or any of the Gibbs development drivers.


  339.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:30 am
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Fernando Alonso had a big crash in Barcelona testing today and was
airlifted to a hospital for precautionary reasons. Thankfully it's been
reported that he's awake and alert.


  340.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:35 am
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Kyle "Rowdy" Busch having to call his friend Matt Craft on in at the
last minute gives me an almost "Days of Thunder" vibe.

"Matt I need you to drive my car at Daytona."

(Kina helps Kyle is a fan of that flick)


  341.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:37 am
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Oh lord...Fernando Alonso has been airlifted to hospital following a
savage practice crash during the final day of F1 testing at Barcelona.
Really hope he's alright.


  342.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:38 am
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Mr Hair Plugs, Alonso had an accident that resulted in fairly minor
damage to his McLaren (not sure about the g reading though...) and him
being airlifted to hospital as a precaution. He is physically unhurt.

Sainz Jr had a sizeable hit as well, at the same corner.

Not the best few of days for professional racing drivers...


  343.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:41 am
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Okay, everybody's reporting that he's conscious and okay. Supposedly Sky
News is reporting that there was an issue with his KERS that gave him
electric shock, but that has not been confirmed.


  344.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:42 am
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Mr Biscuits, an article that I read about the accident said that a
hospital trip is mandatory based on the g-reading; so it must have been
of some significance.


  345.   Eric posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:42 am
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I blame the management of Daytona International Speedway as much as
NASCAR for Kyle Busch's injury.

Daytona International Speedway was spending 400 million dollars on
renovations, but nothing on Safer Barriers at the time Kyle Busch got hurt.

I also would shocked if the President of Daytona International Speedway
has a job much longer based on his pr speak last night that ESPN
mentioned on twitter like "finances don't come into play for Safer
barriers".

Since the President claimed finances don't come into play for Safer
barriers, some of that 400 million dollars should have been spent adding
them a first place before Kyle Busch broke his leg.


  346.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:45 am
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"Mr Biscuits, an article that I read about the accident said that a
hospital trip is mandatory based on the g-reading; so it must have been
of some significance."

Not to mention the way they transported him to the helicopter, on a
gurney and with sheets surrounding him to shield from prying eyes. Just
doesn't seem like the way they would handle someone who is "physically
unhurt".


  347.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:47 am
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A hospital trip is mandatory after a g reading of something like 10g
(can't remember exactly) but it could also just have been Alonso
complaining of something. Anyway, he's unhurt. McLaren say so, and
they'd know.


  348.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:49 am
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It was probably back or neck pains or something. That would be a
precaution. The US media are certainly making it out to be more than it
seems to be here in Europe...


  349.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:50 am
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"Not to mention the way they transported him to the helicopter, on a
gurney and with sheets surrounding him to shield from prying eyes. Just
doesn't seem like the way they would handle someone who is "physically
unhurt". "

That's F1 standard for some stupid reason.


  350.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:59 am
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117773

Hinch, better safe than sorry. Although some NASCAR cautions and Euro F3
safety cars are bizarre, to say the least.


  351.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:00 pm
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www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117773

Hinch, better safe than sorry.

But some NASCAR cautions and Euro F3 safety cars are a bit ott...


  352.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:02 pm
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Sorry for the double post, guess it must be the hyperlink...


  353.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:03 pm
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"Sorry for the double post, guess it must be the hyperlink..."

Links have to be moderated on this site (as does anything with HTML
coding).


  354.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:12 pm
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It seems that way. It's just an Autosport article confirming that Alonso
has escaped unhurt ;)

I guess the US media has gone crazy with Busch breaking his legs...


  355.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:14 pm
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Ha ha, Fox had good ol' JR voiceover the multiple fights that Brad had
during the Chase.


  356.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:15 pm
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I hate to start off the day with a morbid thought,

do you think NASCAR or DIS would have made as big of a deal if it was
Kyle Smith who got into the wreck?


  357.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:18 pm
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Probably far less of one. This is NASCAR. They have a history of this.


  358.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:30 pm
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Kid Rock does a good song?


I guess a blind squirrel does find a nut every once in a while...or 2


  359.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:37 pm
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Great to see Andy Petree back on television.


  360.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:45 pm
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Sauter missed introductions. He'll be moving to the back.


  361.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:45 pm
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Johnny Sauter has been replaced in the #83 by the Invisible Man.


  362.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:46 pm
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Cowboy Hat staying cool, as always...


  363.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:50 pm
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Cool that they actually showed driver intros.


  364.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:52 pm
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they showed Driver Intros last year (twice actually)

because I asked what the name of that song was


  365.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:55 pm
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"Cool that they actually showed driver intros."

They've shown them for several years now.


  366.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:56 pm
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After the chaos of yesterday, I REALLY hope the race today is a safe one...


  367.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 12:57 pm
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"They've shown them for several years now."

Oh. Well, I usually don't watch the Waltrip Brothers Power Hour... I
mean the pre-race show, so that's probably why I don't remember them
ever having them for the 500.


  368.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:01 pm
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That Jeff Gordon segment gave me chills. Couldn't think of a better time
to play Fall Out Boy.


  369.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:03 pm
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I just realized, I'm really going to miss Jeff Gordon after 2015...


  370.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:05 pm
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"Kyle "Rowdy" Busch having to call his friend Matt Craft on in at the
last minute gives me an almost "Days of Thunder" vibe.

"Matt I need you to drive my car at Daytona."

(Kina helps Kyle is a fan of that flick)"

Maybe Cole Trickle, I mean Matt Crafton can also take the Rowdy-Mobile
to Victory Lane.


  371.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:06 pm
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Yay, the return of Michael Waltrip's grid walk...I'm sure we ALL missed
that...


  372.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:06 pm
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Michael gets on his drugs and makes a fool of himself again. Matt
Kenseth is not impressed. Stenhouse makes jokes about MW's hair.


  373.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:09 pm
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Sorry, but DW is high if he thinks Gordon's the GOAT.


  374.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:10 pm
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I'm kind of curious how the warm weather will affect today's race.
Hopefully it doesn't make the cars handle so poorly that it turns into a
boring uncompetitive race


  375.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:14 pm
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"Yay, the return of Michael Waltrip's grid walk...I'm sure we ALL missed
that..."

My parents may have been the only ones who got a kick out of his antics.


  376.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:17 pm
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He's one of the GOATs though, certainly not a sheep...


  377.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:17 pm
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I see NASCAR has borrowed one of Auburn's pre-game traditions for
today's race. War Eagle!


  378.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:20 pm
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The engines have been fired.


  379.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:21 pm
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Any last second picks to win?


  380.   Sean posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:21 pm
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"Between the #18 and #41 both being open for the foreseeable future, I'm
really hoping that some veterans who deserve a good ride can get some
time in these top-tier cars instead of a bunch of kids with money. Bobby
Labonte anyone? Jeff Burton? Even Ward Burton? Coax Terry Labonte out of
retirement? Okay, I'm stretching it now. But what about someone like
Dave Blaney? Joe Nemechek? I'd much rather see some of those drivers in
those cars than Regan Smith or any of the Gibbs development drivers."

100% disagree. I'd much rather see drivers with potential who haven't
had opportunities in killer rides than drivers who were at their peak 15
years ago. Terry Labonte would be wasting the ride more than Smith or
Crafton would, and I think he'd be more of a ride-buyer than them too.

So Gordon got the most cheers (not Junior), which I guess makes sense if
this really is his last race (and I hope he doesn't renege on that like
Mark Martin did), Stewart got the most boos (I guess the fan base is
still divided about the Kevin Ward thing...admittedly the Busch brothers
weren't there), and Danica got stone-cold silence. That was interesting.

And DW just declared Jeff Gordon to be the best driver ever. I don't
think many fans would agree with that.

I like that Gordon at least said he was racing against "some of the best
drivers", acknowledging that there was talent outside NASCAR. I liked that.


  381.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:22 pm
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Still sticking with Brad, but those HMS and JGR cars are gonna be tough
to beat.

Darkhorses: Truex, Menard, Regan


  382.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:22 pm
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Truex. One of the best cars in the duel and the unlimited, kept his nose
clean.


  383.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:23 pm
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"Sorry, but DW is high if he thinks Gordon's the GOAT."

I disagree wholeheartedly. That's a perfectly legitimate opinion.


  384.   Sean posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:23 pm
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Initially I was gonna say Jeff Gordon didn't have enough killer instinct
to win anymore (judging by his recent restart pace) and I was gonna go
for Junior or Johnson instead as a result. However, I rethought that and
now am thinking that Gordon's Hendrick teammates are going to play
defense to help him win, and that's going to annoy me.


  385.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:25 pm
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To be fair, the opinion of Gordon being 'Best Driver ever' is alot more
possible then people would give credit for. I cant' say that's abolute
truth, as there are drivers from numerous other series that could
compete for that title. But I'd say that Gordon is better then everyone
in NASCAR's history save for possibly Richard Petty and Pearson.
Yes, I'd put Gordon over Dale Sr and Yarbrough.


  386.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:25 pm
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I have a feeling Gordon will pull out the story book ending


  387.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:26 pm
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After 3 months of waiting, the drivers and teams are ready to go. 43
will enter, and race for 200 thrilling laps. At the end, only one will
claim the Harley J Earl Trophy.


  388.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:27 pm
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I picked Jeff in the fantasy league, and I'm sticking with it.


  389.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:27 pm
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"I'd much rather see drivers with potential who haven't had
opportunities in killer rides than drivers who were at their peak 15
years ago."

I agree with that, and I wholeheartedly back Bowman and Cassill for the
#18 and #41 rides. But unfortunately, it doesn't seem like they are even
being considered. So if it has to come down to "retread" drivers (I
REALLY hate using that word, but whatever), absolutely give me Bobby
Labonte over someone completely pointless like Michael McDowell.


  390.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:27 pm
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I would put Gordon second behind Petty, but one can make a good argument
for Gordon's GOAT status without being high.


  391.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:29 pm
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And after 23 years, Jeff Gordon will enter his final daytona 500.


  392.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:32 pm
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My bet is that Gordon will DNF or at least get caught up in something.
Probably involving a heron...


  393.   Scott B posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:32 pm
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Let's do this!


  394.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:32 pm
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BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY! LET'S GO GREAT AMERICAN RACING BOYS AND GIRLS!


  395.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:33 pm
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At long last, it begins !!!
WOOOOOOOOOOO!


  396.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:33 pm
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Let's hope for a safe and exciting 57th Daytona 500!


  397.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:33 pm
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Green flag! The 2015 Sprint Cup season is underway!


  398.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:34 pm
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Jeff Gordon leads the first lap of the season!


  399.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:34 pm
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"I would put Gordon second behind Petty, but one can make a good
argument for Gordon's GOAT status without being high."

DW's argument was essentially, "look at the stats". The stats where
Petty, Pearson and Earnhardt all stand vastly superior. Legendary
driver, easy to make an argument for top 3 all-time, but not GOAT.


  400.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:34 pm
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Gordon leads the first lap of his last 500.


  401.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:34 pm
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Jimmie Johnson now leads.


  402.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:34 pm
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Jeff Gordon leads the first lap of his last Daytona 500.


  403.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:35 pm
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Johnson pulls out front on lap 2.

Three wide already back in the field.


  404.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:36 pm
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Johnson slides in in front of Carl Edwards.


  405.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:36 pm
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Johnson and Edwards now run 1-2.


  406.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:36 pm
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Johnson slides infront of Earnhardt.


  407.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:37 pm
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Junior goes to second.


  408.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:38 pm
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Anyone else besides me at least a little bit concerned about the track
temperature?


  409.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:38 pm
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Logano battles for third with Junior.


  410.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:40 pm
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Logano is making some dicey moves early on...


  411.   Robert posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:40 pm
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Mike Wallace has lost the draft.


  412.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:40 pm
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Oh No. Single file.


  413.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:41 pm
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This is the first sunny-skied Daytona 500 since 2011.


  414.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:42 pm
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That was a LONG Goodyear commercial.


  415.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:42 pm
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Single file up front.


  416.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:42 pm
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Oh no! It's single file on lap 3 where it doesn't matter anyhow!!! The
world is ending!

Upsets in the top-43: Matt Crafton, Regan Smith, Mike Wallace

Go Dennnnnyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  417.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:43 pm
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Johnson up high, Joey Logano leads the low line.


  418.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:43 pm
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Logano goes for second.


  419.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:43 pm
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I really like the way Logano looks so far.


  420.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:43 pm
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Jeff Gordon takes the lead and Jimmie Johnson gets hung out.


  421.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:44 pm
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Gordon goes to the lead as Johnson gets shuffled back and may have
bumped the wall.


  422.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:44 pm
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Johnson gets shuffled and might have brushed the wall off turn four.


  423.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:44 pm
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I look down for one second and Johnson is suddenly shuffled back.

#416 was pretty funny.


  424.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:44 pm
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Joey Logano on the inside!


  425.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:44 pm
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Yes.
Nap-Time finally pushed out of the lead.
Hopefully that was the last time he leads today.


  426.   dennyfan11 posted:
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"Oh no! It's single file on lap 3 where it doesn't matter anyhow!!! The
world is ending!

Upsets in the top-43: Matt Crafton, Regan Smith, Mike Wallace

Go Dennnnnyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Is it odd that i found this funny?


  427.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:45 pm
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Logano battles for the lead, but doesn't quite get it.


  428.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:45 pm
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"Oh No. Single file."

For the first three cars. What on heavens shall we do?

Johnson gets shuffled back.


  429.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:46 pm
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Denny is shooting up like a rocket. All the way into the top 10.


  430.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:46 pm
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""Oh no! It's single file on lap 3 where it doesn't matter anyhow!!! The
world is ending!

Upsets in the top-43: Matt Crafton, Regan Smith, Mike Wallace

Go Dennnnnyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Is it odd that i found this funny? "

Is it odd that i found your response funny?


  431.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:47 pm
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I've been fairly impressed with Ryan Blaney's run today. He has been
holding his own in the top ten so far.


  432.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:47 pm
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40 cars in the lead pack. Bobby Labonte, Johnny Sauter, and Mike Wallace
straggling in the back.


  433.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:47 pm
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Dale Sr ouclasifying Gordon in stats?
Dale Sr always struggled with conservative tracks (Michigan) and Road
Courses. Gordon road course struggles, while they exists, were never
that extreme.
Gordon has more wins.
Gordon has consecutive poles in 20+ years
And Jeff could seal the deal on THE larger races better.
Of all the tracks that were on the schedule during Gordon's time, he's
won at ALL of them sans 1. Even N. Wilksboro, which was only on the
schedule for about 4 years during Jeff's career before being removed,
while Sr never closed the deal on Ontario or California.
Outside of numbers of championships and non-points Daytona races (Which
don't count for as much as people like to claim), and Plate Races which
are a lottery already, I'm having issues thinking of areas where
statistically Dale Sr outdoes Gordon.


  434.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:48 pm
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2 commercial breaks before lap 20...


  435.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:48 pm
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"""Oh no! It's single file on lap 3 where it doesn't matter anyhow!!!
The world is ending!

Upsets in the top-43: Matt Crafton, Regan Smith, Mike Wallace

Go Dennnnnyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"""
Is it odd that i found this funny? ""

Is it odd that i found your response funny?"
Is it odd that i found that funny?


  436.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:49 pm
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Caution is out after Landon Cassil blows up.


  437.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:49 pm
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Caution for Landon Cassill blowing up.


  438.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:49 pm
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Everyone coming in!


  439.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:49 pm
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"Gordon road course struggles"

Which have really only been prominent at Watkins Glen since 2001.


  440.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:49 pm
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Landon Cassill blows up, catches on fire, and brings out the first
caution of the year.

NO! There went one of my picks...


  441.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:49 pm
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Cassill blows an engine and catches fire. Day is over for him.


  442.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:50 pm
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Jeff Gordon wins the race off pit road.


  443.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:50 pm
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I come to join a chat and instead I found a morgue... where is everyone?


  444.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:50 pm
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Nooooo. Poor Landon Cassill, he's had a tough couple of days


  445.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:50 pm
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Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! Cassill blows up one of my dark horse picks is out


  446.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:52 pm
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Poor Cassil. He usually runs well on superspeedways.
We've had 3 commercial breaks in 20 laps.


  447.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:52 pm
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the 18 car still has Kyle Busch written on the windshield, what does the
41 have written on it?

also, they can keep Kyles name on it even though Crafton is driving it?


  448.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:52 pm
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Keselowski seemed to have some issues on his pit stop. But unless
there's something wrong with the car, the track position lost at this
point doesn't matter.


  449.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:53 pm
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Michael Anett, Casey Mears, Bobby Labonte, and J.J Yeley stay out.


  450.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:53 pm
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At least we haven't seen the ever-so amazing "NARWHALS, NARWHALS"
commercial yet.

Uh-oh, I think I might have jinxed us by saying that...


  451.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:53 pm
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Cassil is a good plate racer, see how he almost won Talladega last year,
so it's a shame the #40 Chevy made a fiery exit this early in the race.
He could have had a good run.


  452.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:55 pm
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Commercial break #4 already!


  453.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:55 pm
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Commercial break count: 4.
And as I suspected, that damn Bud commercial is airing again.
It almost seems like the same commercials on loop...


  454.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:56 pm
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That 8 billion's gotta be collected somehow.


  455.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:56 pm
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Yeah, Cassill was running in the top 15 at the time too. Who knows, he
could have been a contender to win


  456.   Sprint Marketing Officer posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:56 pm
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What are you all talking about? Narwals are wonderful to sell phones!


  457.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:57 pm
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At this rate there are going to be 30+ commercial breaks...


  458.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:58 pm
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Those Game of War commercials with Kate Upton are embarrassing.


  459.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:58 pm
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Narwhals are still better than Robo-Jimmie being a smug jackass and
pointing to his trophy case.


  460.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:58 pm
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Jeff Gordon leads to the green.


  461.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:59 pm
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3-wide racing back in the pack!


  462.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:59 pm
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Three-wide already back in the pack.


  463.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 1:59 pm
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"Narwhals are still better than Robo-Jimmie being a smug jackass and
pointing to his trophy case. "

At least Jimmie has had success to justify him being a smug jackass.


  464.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:00 pm
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Joey Logano leads the outside.


  465.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:00 pm
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Truex gets shuffled to the middle and drops back.


  466.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:01 pm
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Denny 5th!


  467.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:01 pm
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You want to know the sad thing...narwhals are actually kind of bad-ass.


  468.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:02 pm
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Outside line is starting to fall back.

Looks like Crafton is opting to hang in the back in his first 500.


  469.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:02 pm
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Single-file for the first four spots. BORING!!


  470.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:03 pm
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Pack analysis
Pack 1:23 cars
Pack 2:17 cars.
Stragglers in the back: 2.


  471.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:04 pm
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I did not know Dale Jr. was left-handed. Interesting.


  472.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:05 pm
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The outside line has fallen WAY back. Looks like we're getting ready for
single-file racing...


  473.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:05 pm
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Can you agree this race is boring NOW? With the front 10 or so single file?


  474.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:05 pm
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Commercial count:5.


  475.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:06 pm
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I like Matt Crafton's strategy hanging back.
Regan Smith is basically auditioning for that #41 ride Next year.
And i can guarantee you the last 50 laps of this race will be a
wreckfest its to calm right now


  476.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:06 pm
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"Can you agree this race is boring NOW?"

No.


  477.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:07 pm
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The 23 car lead pack is now 2.3 seconds ahead of pack 2.


  478.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:08 pm
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"Pack analysis
Pack 1:23 cars
Pack 2:17 cars.
Stragglers in the back: 2."

That...isn't analysis.


  479.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:08 pm
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The outside line is advancing!


  480.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:08 pm
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Outside line looks like it's moving forwards again...somewhat.


  481.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:09 pm
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Very clean so far.
Then again, so was the Xfinity race after 40 laps...


  482.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:10 pm
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Logano moves to the inside while Edwards goes to the outside.


  483.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:11 pm
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Stewart and Kenseth both in the wall.


  484.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:11 pm
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GODDAMN IT!


  485.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:11 pm
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150-160 laps of placid Sunday riding and 40-50 laps of survival... the
current Xfinity restrictor plate package is racier than 2014-present.


  486.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:11 pm
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Stewart and Kenseth in the wall our of 4.
That could have been ALOT worse. I thought we'd have a 15 car pileup there.


  487.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:11 pm
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Stewart gets way loose and taps the wall. Damn.
Kenseth has some damage too.


  488.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:11 pm
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Tony Stewart in the wall, and Matt Kenseth damaged too. Pretty unusual
crash.


  489.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:11 pm
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Trouble off turn 4! Stewart bumps the wall, and Kenseth smacks it behind
him.


  490.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:12 pm
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Damage for Ryan Blaney too, most likely.


  491.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:12 pm
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Poor Tony and Matt. They were favorites.


  492.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:12 pm
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Poor Blaney. Hopefully he didn't suffer too much damage.


  493.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:12 pm
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Stewart got loose and turned off the front of Blaney.


  494.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:12 pm
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Michael Waltrip also involved.


  495.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:12 pm
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Tony, Ryan Blaney and Matt Kenseth get together. Looks like Hamlin may
have taken the air off Smoke's rear. Nice job by everyone avoiding that.


  496.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:12 pm
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Stewart got loose and slid up in front of Ryan Blaney. Behind them,
Michael Waltrip got into the back of Kenseth.


  497.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:13 pm
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Well, looks like Stewart's day is likely done.
Gordon goes back to my #1 hope to win this race.


  498.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:13 pm
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Not too much damage for either of those guys though. They should be
pretty okay.


  499.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:13 pm
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Stewart's 17th attempt to win the Daytona 500 ends in a crunched-up race
car.


  500.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:13 pm
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Everyone in!


  501.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:14 pm
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Kenseth and Blaney might be okay, but Smoke's got a lot of damage.


  502.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:14 pm
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Jeff Gordon and Joey Logano will lead to the green.
And now time for a 6th commercial break!


  503.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:14 pm
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Blaney looks okay. Doesn't look like he got very much damage.


  504.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:15 pm
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Tony Stewart's awful Daytona 500 luck continues as he crashes out of
seventh place.


  505.   BigWill20 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:15 pm
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Seriously Waltrip? Come on, man. Go back to the Hollywood Hotel.


  506.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:16 pm
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My pick Stewart just wrecked but hopefully its not to bad


  507.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:16 pm
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Justin Allgaier stays out.


  508.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:17 pm
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From what we've seen out of cars with damage so far in Speedweeks,
Stewart can probably still run decent with that car. He won't be able to
win with it now, but he can still at least run in a draft.


  509.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:18 pm
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Jeff Gordon to the green.


  510.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:18 pm
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Joey Logano to the lead!


  511.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:19 pm
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Kenseth and Stewart go a lap down. They may be out of it now.


  512.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:19 pm
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Logano pulls out front on the backstretch, and will lead at the line.


  513.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:19 pm
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Nevermind, Stewart knocked his steering out. He's done.

Kenseth goes a lap down on pit road as they still repair his car.


  514.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:19 pm
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The field blows past the slower car of Kenseth.


  515.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:20 pm
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2 Packs. 1 of 25, and 1 of 15.


  516.   Anonymous posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:21 pm
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"2 Packs. 1 of 25, and 1 of 15. "

One's your IQ, and the other is the square root of mine.


  517.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:21 pm
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Stewart to the garage.


  518.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:21 pm
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Stewart is going back to the garage.


  519.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:22 pm
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Jimmie Johnson ducks to the inside, pushed by Denny Hamlin!


  520.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:23 pm
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Jeff Gordon retakes the lead!


  521.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:23 pm
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I'd have no issue kicking Logano's butt. But I'm not a little kid. He's
only about 5 or 6 years older then me.
Gordon back to the lead.


  522.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:24 pm
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Gordon is back out in front.


  523.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:25 pm
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Gordon slides to block Dale Earnhardt Jr. Lots of guys moving around!


  524.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:25 pm
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So Stewart tastes disappointment again.


  525.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:26 pm
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The field thins to single file.


  526.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:26 pm
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Logano gets shuffled back on the inside.


  527.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:27 pm
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Commercial count:7


  528.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:29 pm
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"Yawns" its getting a lil boring


  529.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:31 pm
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Logano is probably the most aggressive driver on track so far. I'd say
he's a main contender for the win... or causing the Big one.
Also, good to see that both the inside and the outside lane have the
potential to be the quickest way around, so I'm not worried about having
a boring finish.


  530.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:33 pm
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Upsets in the top 10
Ty Dillon: 6th.


  531.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:33 pm
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Old man waltrip lost the draft


  532.   Robert posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:34 pm
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Mike Wallace has lost the draft again, this time with Michael Waltrip.


  533.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:34 pm
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Ty Dillon says he may be having engine problems.


  534.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:34 pm
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Ty Dillon may have an engine issue.


  535.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:35 pm
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Commercial Count:8.


  536.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:35 pm
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"Commercial Count:8."

It's unnecessary to keep doing this.


  537.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:36 pm
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Reed Sorenson and Clint Bowyer are drafting together. No grudges there.


  538.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:37 pm
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The narwals commercial has arrived!


  539.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:37 pm
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Thanks to whomever jinxed it.


  540.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:37 pm
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"It's unnecessary to keep doing this."
Ok. I'll stop.


  541.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:37 pm
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Mandatory "NARWHALS!" Sprint commercial.


  542.   Sean posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:37 pm
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DW says there's been plenty of racing up front but not much mid-pack?
Funny, I thought the reverse...

As I predicted, it doesn't look like any of the other Hendrick drivers
are really trying to challenge Gordon. Not that I think it's fixed or
anything, but they do seem to be playing a support role for Gordon as I
suspected. As long as Junior and Johnson are up front at the end, I find
it hard to envision Gordon losing it.

Logano seems to be the only driver who's trying to fight the Inevitable
Anointing.


  543.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:37 pm
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Oh crap!
Narwhals showed up!

Hipster/Broster d-bag Zack Buckner can't be too far behind.


  544.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:38 pm
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I have finally seen the infamous narwhal commercial...now I know what
you guys mean.


  545.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:38 pm
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DEATH TO ALL ANIMATED NARWHALS.


  546.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:38 pm
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so that McDonalds commercial had nothing but copyrighted characters?

....how much freaking money do they have?


  547.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:38 pm
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Kenseth loses another lap.

Nearly 200 miles complete.


  548.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:39 pm
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Outside line is coming back up with Truex leading it. Seems like every
15 laps or so they just take a bit of a break to go single file, and
then come roaring back.

Kenseth goes another lap down. Shame. He's had one of the best cars all
week.


  549.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:39 pm
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Kahne is moving forwards on the outside.


  550.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:40 pm
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I don't mind these early commercials, these networks have a certain
number to furfill so when the action picks up later we'll be able to
watch all of it


  551.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:41 pm
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"Hipster/Broster d-bag Zack Buckner can't be too far behind."

I honestly hate this kid more than the narwhals commercial (which is
saying a lot, because I hate the narwhals commercial with a passion). I
cringe every time he calls Bowyer "Easy B".


  552.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:42 pm
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Nice run for Allgaier in 14th.


  553.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:42 pm
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Truex going for second.


  554.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:43 pm
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37 cars in the lead pack.


  555.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:44 pm
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"DW says there's been plenty of racing up front but not much mid-pack?
Funny, I thought the reverse...

As I predicted, it doesn't look like any of the other Hendrick drivers
are really trying to challenge Gordon. Not that I think it's fixed or
anything, but they do seem to be playing a support role for Gordon as I
suspected. As long as Junior and Johnson are up front at the end, I find
it hard to envision Gordon losing it.

Logano seems to be the only driver who's trying to fight the Inevitable
Anointing."

The biggest problem is this package, especially at Daytona, makes it
ridiculously easy for whoever is leading to stay out front. The leading
car has a cushion that makes it easy to block whatever lane has momentum.

Bold prediction: Whoever is leading after the final pit-stop will win
the race.


  556.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:45 pm
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The top 3 are the 3 I thought had the best chance to win it.


  557.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:46 pm
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of this package


  558.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:46 pm
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This is the Daytona 500, and this is Jeff Gordon.

He's either going to win this thing or choke it all away, and history
says that Gordon doesn't lead this many laps at Daytona without winning.


  559.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:46 pm
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Oh no! Boring single file!


  560.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:46 pm
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Just an update. Alonso, as I expected, is concussed and will stay at the
hospital overnight. As you would.

Eric Bouiller, McLaren's team principal, has said that some media
reports have exaggerated the incident.

Look at BT's headline for instance. I wish basic news channels
understood what they were reporting...


  561.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:47 pm
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Single-file up front now.

Green flag pit stops are upcoming.


  562.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:47 pm
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If Kid Rock and Doug Flu tie are included in your description of a
star-studded cast on both sides of pit road, then you are using that
definition very loosely.


  563.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:48 pm
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If Jr and Johnson can stay up there with Jeff, I see Gordon having
minimal issues winning this barring engine failure, crash, or pit road
penalties.


  564.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:50 pm
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Leaders are pitting now.


  565.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:50 pm
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2 packs have become 3...


  566.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:50 pm
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Jr locks it up big time coming into pit road.

Truex has problems on pit road.


  567.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:50 pm
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Truex's car is slow in the pits.


  568.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:50 pm
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Green flag stops in full swing.


  569.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:51 pm
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Edwards locks up the brakes coming into the pits.


  570.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:51 pm
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Dos Jotas with a penalty!


  571.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:51 pm
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Jimmie Johnson gets a penalty.


  572.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:52 pm
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Jeff Gordon cycles to the lead.


  573.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:52 pm
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Penalty for Nap-Time.

Of course it's still early.


  574.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:52 pm
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Edwards unsurprisingly sped on pit road.


  575.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:52 pm
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Johnson and Larson hit with pit road penalties. Edwards is also nabbed
for speeding.


  576.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:52 pm
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Crafton stalls it. Johnson penalized for too many men over the wall.


  577.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:53 pm
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7 car breakaway at the front.


  578.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:53 pm
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BK's right front fender is flared out from bumping into Truex.


  579.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:54 pm
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The big packs have splintered into several tiny packs.


  580.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:54 pm
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So many pit road penalties. And how about Ty Dillon having a great run
the whole race so far, being in 4th at the moment.


  581.   Robert posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:55 pm
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#32 Bobby Labonte caught for speeding as well.


  582.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:55 pm
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The second pack is now .6 seconds back!


  583.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:56 pm
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Pit stops on plate tracks are a complete joke. Everyone tries to go in
at the same time to keep the pack tight, and it results in chaos every
single time.


  584.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:56 pm
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The front 2 packs have merged.


  585.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:57 pm
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Upsets in the top 10
Ty Dillon 4th.


  586.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 2:58 pm
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Why do people hate Green flag stops on Plate tracks? I think it's a
great way to weed out the teams and drivers that aren't able to get it
done from those that can.


  587.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:00 pm
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Nearly halfway home. The first half of this race has been pretty
quiet...I don't anticipate it staying that way in the second half!


  588.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:00 pm
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The second pack is 7.7 back.


  589.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:00 pm
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Now they are just 7 back!


  590.   joey2448 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:01 pm
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Does NASCAR still have the $200K payout for leading the halfway lap?


  591.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:02 pm
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And now just 4.8!


  592.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:03 pm
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Greg Biffle has fallen out. 5.9 behind the lead pack.


  593.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:04 pm
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I like Myers pick to win...


  594.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:04 pm
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Ty Dillon has actually impressed me today


  595.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:05 pm
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Caution(via racebuddy).


  596.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:05 pm
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This race is looking a little bit like the 2004 Daytona 500


  597.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:05 pm
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Brad Keselowski and Michael McDowell are out too.


  598.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:05 pm
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Ever since that commercial aired during the stuporbowl, I've wondered,
what the HELL is that MT Dew kickstart laced with to induce those kinds
of visions?


  599.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:06 pm
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Caution for Debris, tri-oval


  600.   Jacques posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:06 pm
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Welcome to 2015!


  601.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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That Mountain Dew commercial was damn near bad as the Sprint "Narwhals"
one. And just as I say that the narwhals reappear. Kill me now.


  602.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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Yellow flag is out for the third time for Jacques making his triumphant
debut of the season.

I knew he would make a comeback...


  603.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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I was wondering when the Jimmie benefit caution would be


  604.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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Let me guess, Jimmie was in the lucky dog spot.


  605.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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"Ever since that commercial aired during the stuporbowl, I've wondered,
what the HELL is that MT Dew kickstart laced with to induce those kinds
of visions"
LSD.


  606.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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A debris caution wow who figured its much needed though


  607.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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Debris caution. I have to believe it's legit, since Waltrip and Kenseth
both had flapping bare-bond after their crashes.


  608.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:07 pm
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Mears takes gas only on this pit stop and moves to third.


  609.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:08 pm
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Mears gains 23 spots cuz he had to go straight through pit road.


  610.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:08 pm
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Maybe there will be a big pack again now.


  611.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:11 pm
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It hasn't been a completely terrible race so far (still a lot better
than the 2013 abomination), but after seeing the Unlimited and the
Duels, I'm a little disappointed.

Oh well, I'd still rather have this than a total wreckfest. Hopefully it
will pick up a little in the second half.


  612.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:12 pm
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Angry Knaus never gets old.


  613.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:13 pm
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Denny leads! Yay!


  614.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:13 pm
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"It hasn't been a completely terrible race so far (still a lot better
than the 2013 abomination), but after seeing the Unlimited and the
Duels, I'm a little disappointed."

Well, both the Unlimited and the Duels were non-points events, and much
shorter distances to boot. I think the action will definitely pick up
now since we're past the halfway point.


  615.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:15 pm
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If Gordon wins his final 500, I wonder how many conspiracy theorists
will announce this was a rigged race...

Hamlin battles Gordon for the lead on the inside, and is now clear of
him on the backstretch.


  616.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:15 pm
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Joey Logano takes the lead!


  617.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:15 pm
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This may be the furthest back Gordon has been all afternoon.


  618.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:16 pm
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Gordon's sliding back a little...alot now


  619.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:16 pm
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Nice racing for the lead right now. Logano is being really aggressive.


  620.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:16 pm
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Holy crap we actually have racing for the lead going on!


  621.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:16 pm
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4-wide back in it!
Dale Earnhardt Jr leads as Gordon fades.


  622.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:16 pm
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Logano and Junior battle for the lead.

Four wide back in the pack. Gordon is drifting backwards into the pack.


  623.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:17 pm
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"If Gordon wins his final 500, I wonder how many conspiracy theorists
will announce this was a rigged race..."

A lot. And I won't care about a single one of them, since I will be
celebrating for a long while.


  624.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:17 pm
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Good idea. Put the racing in the small box and a close up of the booth
in the big box.


  625.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:17 pm
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Kevin Harvick alongside!


  626.   Mr. Big posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:18 pm
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Anyone missing the two-car draft era today? Nope? Good.


  627.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:18 pm
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Finally, Dale Jr. leads.


  628.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:20 pm
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Lots of double and triple wide racing going on now...don't know how long
this will last.
Edwards dropping way back.


  629.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:20 pm
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Edwards off the pace.


  630.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:20 pm
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Edwards may have a problem.


  631.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:20 pm
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Three wide throughout the pack. This is getting pretty hairy...I HOPE
nobody makes a mistake or we're going to take a BUNCH of cars out.

Carl Edwards is falling backwards.


  632.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:21 pm
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I guess he was just getting out of that hornet's nest.


  633.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:21 pm
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I do still miss the Two car tandems...but this kind of pack racing isn't
bad.


  634.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:22 pm
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How many damned male enhancement commercials can they air?!


  635.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:23 pm
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Junior is going to take it from here.


  636.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:24 pm
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How many damned male enhancement commercials can they air?!

I'm used to seeing those now, the hepatitis one a couple breaks ago
threw me for a loop.


  637.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:24 pm
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Tick tock...

Y'all know it's coming, right?


  638.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:26 pm
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Tick tock indeed Zackary Shawn!


  639.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:28 pm
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You know, we could have a whole bunch of cautions at the end again.


  640.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:29 pm
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Bold prediction, Crafton and Sauter have a big role in this finish


  641.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:29 pm
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Matt Crafton is running in the top-20 despite only having about 17 hours
of advance notice he would be making his Sprint Cup debut in this race.


  642.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:30 pm
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How is Danica's car in its 4th 500 when the Gen-6 car has only been
around for 3?


  643.   joey2448 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:35 pm
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Ya see, there's too many cars on the track right now to race for the
win. With the laps winding down, one or two big wrecks will help thin
the herd and clear the track so the remaining drivers can have enough
room to race for the win. Just like yesterday's Xfinity series race,
which ended up with only nine cars on the lead lap.


  644.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:36 pm
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Eighteen cars in the lead pack right now. The second pack is not that
far behind.

Just 60 laps to go.


  645.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:37 pm
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It's close, but I think Jeff Gordon has clinched the bonus for leading
the most laps. This would be the first time he has ever done so in the
Daytona 500, interestingly.


  646.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:39 pm
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because Gen 6 car uses the COT Chassis


  647.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:39 pm
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How many dale jr commercials have been on today


  648.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:40 pm
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FSL: "for 3 things you neeed to know"

and he says 1 thing


  649.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:42 pm
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Jr's car is starting to get really loose, losing some ground now.


  650.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:42 pm
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JoLo vs Hendrick.

Good luck, young man.


  651.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:42 pm
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Logano has moved to the lead with a little over 50 to go.


  652.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:42 pm
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with 50 to go, the action is heating up!


  653.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:42 pm
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53 laps left, Joey Logano leads.


  654.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:42 pm
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Gordon's working back to the front.


  655.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:43 pm
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Getting close to pit stops here..


  656.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:44 pm
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This next round of pit stops is gonna be even more dicey, since the pack
is so big and cars are really close together.


  657.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:45 pm
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Wow, this race has gone by really fast. Probably because it's been so
clean so far.

I don't anticipate it staying that way in these final 125 miles, however...


  658.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:45 pm
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Did Kahne just come in by himself?


  659.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:47 pm
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Whoooooa Larson


  660.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:47 pm
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Good grief, Larson.


  661.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:47 pm
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Johnny Sauter went through the grass in the pits.

Let's see who gets a penalty...


  662.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:47 pm
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Larson locks it up HORRIBLY coming into the pits.


  663.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:48 pm
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Larson smokes the tires heavily entering pit road.


  664.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:49 pm
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Thus far it's been the Logano and Team Hendrick show, ft. Edwards,
Biffle, and Kes.


  665.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:49 pm
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The Penske cars are about to team up...


  666.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:49 pm
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Really like both of those Penske cars now that they are both up there
together.


  667.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:51 pm
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Yay, more narwhals. Just what I wanted to see!


  668.   MAR posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:52 pm
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I smell a big one coming in about 20-25 laps


  669.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:52 pm
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BK done blown up.


  670.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:52 pm
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And Brad blows up. What the hell.


  671.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:52 pm
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Keselowski blows up. There goes my pick to win.


  672.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:52 pm
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Brad Keselowski just blew up big time. Caution flag is out, and one of
the favorites is out of contention.


  673.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:52 pm
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"The Penske cars are about to team up..."

Bad Brad's engine had other plans.


  674.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:53 pm
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Brad Keselowski has blown his engine, according to MRN. Caution.


  675.   Anonymous posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:53 pm
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What a snooze fest.


  676.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:53 pm
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Boiled Brad blows his engine, he's done.


  677.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:53 pm
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Boiled Brad blows up.


  678.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:53 pm
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McMurray and Newman I think hit the wall pretty hard.


  679.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:53 pm
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Looks like McMurray and Newman got together in the oil. Considerable
damage to Jamie's car.


  680.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:53 pm
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McMurray got in Brad's oil and crashed with Newman.


  681.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:54 pm
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McMurray and Newman got in the oil from Brad's engine and hit the wall.
Jamie Mac has a good bit a damage.


  682.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:54 pm
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Last pit stops if there are no more cautions.


  683.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:55 pm
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I find it hilarious how my father gloat about Kes winning before
commercial break, and after it, his engine is gone.


  684.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:56 pm
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Jamie McMurray hit wall after he got in the oil from Brad's engine. Ryan
Newman hit McMurray afterward, reducing the chances of a second 500
victory for both drivers.


  685.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:57 pm
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Have a feeling business is about to seriously pick up...


  686.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:57 pm
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Dale Jr. could get back up front on the restart.


  687.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 3:59 pm
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Anyone else smell a restart big-one?


  688.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:00 pm
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Crap. Nap-Time back out front.
Bring on the Narwhals!


  689.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:00 pm
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Down to the final 100 miles now. Getting close to crunch time now!


  690.   Cornys posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:01 pm
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I'm really happy that NASCAR has let this race play out :)


  691.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:01 pm
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Outside lane stacks up bad on the restart. Edwards and Bowyer on point.


  692.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:01 pm
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Bowyer pushes Edwards out in front.


  693.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:02 pm
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Hamlin just wiggled BADLY on the backstretch.


  694.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:02 pm
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Business is picking up now.


  695.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:02 pm
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REALLY dicey up front.


  696.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:02 pm
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Johnson almost wrecks the whole field.


  697.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:02 pm
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Johnson back to the gront...middle line stacks up...and they pull out of
turn 4 ok.
I thought that was going to be bad.


  698.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:03 pm
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Holy hell at this racing.


  699.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:03 pm
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Johnson and Edwards nearly collide battling for the lead.


  700.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:04 pm
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Junior will be in the lead in no time.


  701.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:04 pm
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Three wide throughout nearly the whole pack.

To quote Papa Klump from the Nutty Professor: "This is some scary shit!"


  702.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:05 pm
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Jimmie Johnson leads!


  703.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:05 pm
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INTENSE racing right now. Awesome.


  704.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:06 pm
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This is intense!


  705.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:06 pm
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This is getting intense!!!


  706.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:07 pm
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Man this is nerve wracking.


  707.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:07 pm
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Didn't they have side by side commercials in the beginning of the race?


  708.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:07 pm
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Of course a commercial break NOW...


  709.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:07 pm
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There's no way they can keep this up...


  710.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:08 pm
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Aaaaaand the Big One is probably gonna happen during a commercial break.


  711.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:09 pm
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Seems like Jr. is so fast that other drivers can't keep up and push him
to the lead.


  712.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:09 pm
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Ryan Blaney loses an engine apparently.


  713.   Canadianfan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:09 pm
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this will not last and Jeff is in a bad spot


  714.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:09 pm
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Ryan Blaney blows up.


  715.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:10 pm
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Darn. I had high hopes for Blaney today.


  716.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:10 pm
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Logano's gotta be antsy now.


  717.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:10 pm
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Logano's gotta be a little nervous now with his two teammates blowing up.


  718.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:10 pm
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Blaney blows up. F*ck my life.


  719.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:10 pm
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Everytime I see and hear Zach Buckner talking about his fantasy team, I
want to punch him right in the jaw. I'm not the only one, am I?

Ryan Blaney loses an engine and caution #5 is out.


  720.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:10 pm
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Blaney's engine goes to hell.
And once again, we are shown some spectacular car control by the rest of
the field. Dosen't look like they ran over eachother at all.


  721.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:10 pm
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Ryan Blaney loses an engine.


  722.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:11 pm
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I almost thought we weren't gonna see that punk Zack Buckner today...

Ford's are popping like balloons now.


  723.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:11 pm
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Blaney ran top 15 all day pretty much. Shame it ends early for him.

None of the leaders pit.


  724.   Canadianfan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:11 pm
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if I'm Joey I'm kind of worried right now first Brad now Ryan Penske
might have an engine problem


  725.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:11 pm
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Danica and a few others towards the back of the pack pit. Just a little
over 50 miles to go...


  726.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:11 pm
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Ryan Blaney blows up.


  727.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:12 pm
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Of note: Blaney is a Penske engine.


  728.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:12 pm
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Something I just notices: Matt Crafton's #18 Toyota still has Kyle
Busch's name on the windshield. Must not have had enough time to make a
new one for him.


  729.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:13 pm
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Crafton has done a pretty solid job in his first 500.


  730.   joey2448 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:13 pm
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Man that sucks, I was really pulling for Blaney. But this was a great
chance for him to get some 'sperience.

Ooh baby, this is really gonna get intense now. Strap those belts tight!


  731.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:14 pm
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This is setting up to be some of the best Daytona 500 daytime racing
since 2005...or one of the biggest Daytona 500 big ones since 2002.


  732.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:16 pm
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The last laps of these plate races always give me a nasty knot in my
stomach. I LOVE IT!!!


  733.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:16 pm
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@728: I've noticed that since opening pace laps. Same reason why no
rookie stripes are on Kyle's car as well.


  734.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:17 pm
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Crafton has done a nice job. Maybe this run will lead to some more Cup
races for him down the line, whether it's in the #18 or for someone else.

Sure enough, Logano is worried about the potential Penske engine troubles.


  735.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:19 pm
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Green with 20 to go!


  736.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:19 pm
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Here we go...


  737.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:19 pm
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Green flag with 19 laps to go and 35 cars on the lead lap.


  738.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:19 pm
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Jr gets split and sent to the back.


  739.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:20 pm
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Jr wiggles and gets shuffled way back.


  740.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:20 pm
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Jr just screwed himself trying to be a good teammate


  741.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:20 pm
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Junior nearly causes a wreck trying to pull behind Johnson.


  742.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:20 pm
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And Junior is caught in the middle. He's falling back.


  743.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:20 pm
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DJ Craze tries to help out Nap-Time and ends up screwing himself over.


  744.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:21 pm
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Is Logano's enigne starting to let go?


  745.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:21 pm
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Three-wide again...I get nervous EVERY time they race like this...


  746.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:22 pm
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For those of you saying Hendrick had the fix in for Jeff...

Man, they sure screwed that up good.


  747.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:22 pm
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My heart is racing!


  748.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:22 pm
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It's getting dicey!


  749.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:23 pm
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YOU CAN DO IT HAMLIN!


  750.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:24 pm
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"For those of you saying Hendrick had the fix in for Jeff...

Man, they sure screwed that up good."

So long as Knaus works for that organization, there will be only one
team that gets special anything.

GO TRUEX!!!


  751.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:24 pm
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3-wide deep!


  752.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:24 pm
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How the Big One hasn't happened yet is beyond me. Good lord, this is tense.


  753.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:24 pm
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Three wide for the lead. Holy hell.


  754.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:24 pm
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Truex to the lead!

Three-wide for the lead with Johnson, Hamlin, and Truex!


  755.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:25 pm
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Holy mackrel.
It's gonna be 2012 Talladega fall all over again


  756.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:25 pm
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This is thrilling!!


  757.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:25 pm
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3-wide for the lead. Holy shit.


  758.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:25 pm
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Go Truex!


  759.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:26 pm
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It's a miracle that Johnson hasn't wrecked everyone yet.


  760.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:26 pm
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HAMLIN YOU GOT THIS!


  761.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:26 pm
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Jeff Gordon got loose for a second there and it scared the life out of me.


  762.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:27 pm
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Still three wide for the lead with less than 10 laps to go...

...I don't know if they can make it...


  763.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:27 pm
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Logano's got the lead.


  764.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:28 pm
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JoLo almost has too big a lead.


  765.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:28 pm
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This is the greatest pack racing I've ever seen.


  766.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:28 pm
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7 to go!


  767.   joey2448 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:28 pm
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HOly........this is wild!


  768.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:28 pm
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Logano gets a big lead, but the pack catches him.

Seven to go.


  769.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:29 pm
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Truex is third. What?


  770.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:29 pm
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22,11,78 are starting to separate


  771.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:29 pm
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Logano, Hamlin and Truxe break away.


  772.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:29 pm
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lol, Kahne randomly up there now.


  773.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:30 pm
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The back half of the pack lost the draft without crashing.


  774.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:30 pm
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Danica almost went for a spin mid-pack.


  775.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:30 pm
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Lead pack is dwindling a bit. Coming to four to go.


  776.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:31 pm
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Crash with Allgaier.


  777.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:31 pm
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Allgaier spins. Caution.


  778.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:31 pm
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Dammit


  779.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:32 pm
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Allgaier crashes on the front stretch. GWC time.


  780.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:32 pm
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I thought Allgaier's engine was blowing up, then he crashes.


  781.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:32 pm
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Galdarnit Dadgumit Consarnit all to HECK!!!


  782.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:32 pm
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JJ's coming on the bottom.

And Justin Allgaier hits the wall on the front stretch to bring out the
yellow.


  783.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:32 pm
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Justin Allgaier spins and hits the wall coming out of the tri-oval.

GWC time. This is going to be FRIGHTENING...

Ty Dillon is also badly battered.


  784.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:32 pm
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I thought I saw someone smoking(tire, engine) just behind the draft the
lap prior on the backstretch. I guess whatever happened came to fruition
at start/finish.


  785.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:33 pm
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Got called away. Was the 51 the only one involved there?


  786.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:33 pm
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The racing those last dozen laps was absolutely amazing.


  787.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:33 pm
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Whatever happens, thoroughly impressed by Joey Logano. Easily the best
Cup race he's run so far, I think.


  788.   joey2448 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:34 pm
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Man I was really hoping for that to go green all the way. that was wild.


  789.   Peter posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:34 pm
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This is maybe the most exciting 500 I've ever seen! Go Martin!


  790.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:34 pm
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Red flag.


  791.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:35 pm
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Red flag.


  792.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:35 pm
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I swear to god that every single major NASCAR Cup race ends with a
bloody artificial crash monger GWC showpiece simpleton-pleasing piece of
scripting. Ffs.

Unless it's on the final lap, where they let them race to the line as
they should. Logano has won. Well done.

And if he doesn't...


  793.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:35 pm
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Uh oh, where's Mike Wallace?


  794.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:35 pm
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Red flag.


  795.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:35 pm
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Red flag to clean up Allgaier's car and his debris.


  796.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:35 pm
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This is looking like 2002 all over again!


  797.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:35 pm
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And as soon as I hit post, there's a red flag. That's how real men do it ;)


  798.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:36 pm
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I REALLY hope this doesn't end up being decided on fuel.


  799.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:38 pm
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"This is looking like 2002 all over again!"

Except nobody's climbed out of their car to fix a fender...


  800.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:38 pm
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Have NASCAR taken a piece from Indycar by throwing the late red flag?
Because that was a great call by Indycar, hopefully there's a similar
outcome in a few minutes :)


  801.   Mr. Big posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:39 pm
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Best 500 in a long time. Closest recent challenger I can think of is 2007.


  802.   racefangurl posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:39 pm
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Epzik8, my heart was racing before that caution and then red flag.
Exciting action until then.


  803.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:39 pm
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I'm telling you guys, it's going to be 2012 Fall 'Dega all over again.


  804.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:40 pm
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"Have NASCAR taken a piece from Indycar by throwing the late red flag?
Because that was a great call by Indycar, hopefully there's a similar
outcome in a few minutes :)"

They used to do this a lot before the GWC era...


  805.   racefangurl posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:40 pm
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I was impressed with Joey myself. He's been strong pretty much all race.


  806.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:41 pm
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Hopefully Jimmie gets split in the middle like Jr on the last restart...

...Of course some group of idiots will jump out and save him.


  807.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:41 pm
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The red has been lifted.


  808.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:42 pm
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Sorry, my in depth knowledge of NASCAR only began last weekend ;)


  809.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:42 pm
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Red flag withdrawn.

Yellow back out.


  810.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:42 pm
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They probably threw the red flag because many of the cars are close on
fuel if they run well past the lap-200 mark.


  811.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:43 pm
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Back to yellow.


  812.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:43 pm
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After about 9 minutes, we are back underway!


  813.   Sean posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:44 pm
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I didn't know Jeff Gordon led Jimmie Johnson and Ricky Craven in a 1-2-3
finish for Hendrick in 2007, DW.


  814.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:45 pm
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If Logano pulls this off...


  815.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:45 pm
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This is gonna be NERVE-WRACKING...green flag is about to come out...


  816.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:45 pm
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Green flag. Let's get crazy.


  817.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:46 pm
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Here we go people.


  818.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:46 pm
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Good restart by Logano.

Hold your breath folks.


  819.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:46 pm
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Inside line didn't go.


  820.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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White!


  821.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Damn, I HOPE Bowyer doesn't win this....

Here comes Harvick!


  822.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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There it is!!!!


  823.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Logano got it!!!!! F YEAHHHH!!!!!


  824.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Caution is out, Logano wins!


  825.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Caution for the crash. Logano is your winner.


  826.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Big wreck. Caution. Logano wins.


  827.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Toytota wins the unliited
Chevy wins the 150
Ford wins the Daytona 500


  828.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:47 pm
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Gordon wrecks on the backstretch and takes a BUNCH of them with him.

Joey Logano wins under caution!


  829.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:48 pm
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Yellow!

Joey Logano's got this.


  830.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:48 pm
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LOGANO WINS!!!


  831.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:48 pm
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REALLY!?!?!

Piss off NASCAR.


  832.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:48 pm
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Phenomenal job by Logano. He raced the hell out of those HMS cars all
day and beat them straight up. Kid's no joke.


  833.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:48 pm
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Buzzkill... I don't Kevin had much chance anyways, but Awesome last 30
laps, not so great finish.


  834.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:49 pm
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Jeff Gordon 28th

Told ya so... checkers or wreckers


  835.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:49 pm
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Gordon got hooked by Silver Spoons.


  836.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:49 pm
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Gordon winds up 28th in his final Daytona 500.

Austin Dillon turned Jeff.


  837.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:49 pm
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Cowboy Hat caused that pileup by spinning Gordon. That isn't going to
win him any fans.


  838.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:49 pm
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Good race, but 2014 was better in my opinion.


  839.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:50 pm
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Actually it's far worse... now he's listed 33rd.


  840.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:50 pm
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Ford swept the weekend!


  841.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:50 pm
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"Piss off NASCAR."

They let them race back quite a ways, but once more cars started piling
in, they threw it. Pretty fair in my eyes.


  842.   Cumulonimbus posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:50 pm
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Called it in the first half of the race. Logano ends up not causing the
Big One, but rather winning it.


  843.   Sean posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:50 pm
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It was really impressive Logano managed to do that with no support. I
kind of did think he was the only driver who had anything for the
Hendrick onslaught and it's nice to see performance being rewarded
rather than sheer dumb luck which happens too often in these kind of
races although the wreck was unfortunate. At least for the most part,
the drivers competitive in the race finished up front (with the
exception of Gordon), which happens so rarely.


  844.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:50 pm
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Jeff Gordon crashed?


....I have a feeling that wasn't in the Script


  845.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:51 pm
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Austin Dillon continues to run the #3's legacy into the ground... What a
shame for Jeff to finish his final 500 like that.


  846.   Mr. Big posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:51 pm
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Should've let them run out the final lap but I don't think the result
would've been that different. Joey had the best car for the final third
of the race and it wasn't close.


  847.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:51 pm
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Jeff Gordon got touched by Austin Dillon and turned to cause that. Damn
that sucks for him in his last Daytona 500.

Congratulations to Joey Logano and the whole Penske Racing team, Second
Daytona 500 victory for Rodger Penske.


  848.   racefangurl posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:51 pm
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Great race! Could've been a little bit better but still
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH! Loved the way it ended.


  849.   luigistarted06 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:51 pm
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Of course worlds biggest douche Austin Dillon causes a wreck


  850.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:52 pm
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Matt Crafton can officially say he has never finished behind Jeff Gordon
in a NASCAR race! :D

All joking aside, this was a fun Daytona 500, but I knew they were going
to tear 'em up on the GWC. Wish they could have made it back under green...

Oh well, on to Atlanta!


  851.   Biscuits In A Red Bull posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:52 pm
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Feel for Gordon, but Logano is starting to look like someone who can
challenge for a title.

But as a European I think that has a different meaning to what it does
in NASCAR, with the Chase and all that...


  852.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:52 pm
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As a whole it wasn't the greatest Daytona 500 I've ever seen, but that
racing that led up to the last caution was unbelievable.


  853.   Baxter posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:53 pm
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Decent race, bad winner. I was really hoping for more underdog finishers
but whatever. Hopefully Talladega will be better. Next week is Atlanta,
which should be OK.


  854.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:53 pm
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Logano does it! Ford wins its first Daytona 500 since 2012 and the
Captain Roger Penske gets his second win in this race as an owner and
first since 2008.


  855.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:53 pm
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Also: After all the shit that's gone on this week, I'm really glad that
we had a good, clean, safe, and controversy free race.


  856.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:55 pm
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Logano has come a long way since finishing 43rd in his first 500 back in
2009.


  857.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:55 pm
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At least this 500 was safe, unlike what we've seen THROUGHOUT
Speedweeks. No serious accidents and no drivers were hurt in the 500.
That's all I was REALLY hoping for after what happened to Kyle yesterday...


  858.   Jared DiCarlo posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:56 pm
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I'm glad Joey Logano won, but I was rooting for June Bug. Shame that
Gordon wrecked out of his last 500.


  859.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:56 pm
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Gotta say, I think this is Joey's year. He showed so much strength
throughout last year, and getting this victory will be a huge motivator
for him, I believe.


  860.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:57 pm
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Good race. Not as good as 2014, 2010, or 2011 by anymeans. It's like the
inverse of 2007, which was boring for the first three quarters but got
exciting only at the last restart. Today's race was mostly exciting the
entire time except for the final restart.

Glad with the winner we had. Franky, I'd be supportive of any winner
other then Brad K. But this has extra significance to me because I've
been supportive to Logano since he first came to the sport, especially
when everyone was throwing him under the buss in 2011 and 2012.


  861.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:58 pm
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idk if Harvick or Jr could have passed Joey, but that yellow was BS!!!!
The wreck was on the backstretch they can race back around no problem.
Only time the yellow should be thrown on the last lap is if the wreck is
near the start finish line. Complete BS finish to a good race.


  862.   New14 & 88Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:58 pm
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With the exception of the wreck at the end, this was an exciting but
safe 500. Lots of intense aggressive racing at the end but everyone for
the most point used their heads.


  863.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:58 pm
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Exactly Murb!


  864.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 4:59 pm
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I've been following Joey since he won his first then-Nationwide Series
race at Kentucky in 2008 in just his third start. That's why he's my
current favorite Cup driver and I am thrilled to see him win NASCAR's
biggest race.


  865.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:01 pm
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"idk if Harvick or Jr could have passed Joey, but that yellow was BS!!!!
The wreck was on the backstretch they can race back around no problem.
Only time the yellow should be thrown on the last lap is if the wreck is
near the start finish line. Complete BS finish to a good race."

Gordon was stopped in the middle of the track in front of oncoming
traffic. They had every reason to throw the yellow.


  866.   Jaws_Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:02 pm
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So I guess all you conspiracy theorists look like a bunch of a-holes now!


  867.   Nascar24Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:03 pm
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Not my favorite 500. 2014,2012,2011, and 2010 Were better from this
decade. But I am glad Joey won. In 2014 he struggled at the restricter
plate races so I think it was a good comeback. But this race asked too
much and got too little in return from everyone


  868.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:04 pm
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"Gordon was stopped in the middle of the track in front of oncoming
traffic. They had every reason to throw the yellow."

This.


  869.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:05 pm
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Nice runs for Mears (6th), Gilliland (11th), and Annett (13th). Regan
Smith ended up 16th, and Matt Crafton ended up 19th after getting caught
up in the last lap wreck.


  870.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:06 pm
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The thing that shocked me the most about this race was the lack of a big
crash. I can't remember the last Daytona 500 without one.


  871.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:06 pm
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"Gordon was stopped in the middle of the track in front of oncoming
traffic. They had every reason to throw the yellow."

Disagree wholeheartedly. Everybody who was going to be in that wreck was
already in it. And the leaders would have had more than enough time to
slow down before they came back around.


  872.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:07 pm
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Better race then I though it was gonna be.
And no FOX, this is not the best plate package ever.
The NXS is currently better even with their neutered bump-drafting rules.
At least they can actually effectively bump-draft at will unlike the
special circumstances needed to happen on the Cup side.


  873.   epzik8 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:08 pm
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Now I get to relax this week knowing my favorite driver has won the
Daytona 500, is the points leader and is almost certainly the first
driver in this year's Chase.


  874.   David posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:09 pm
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At least Jeff Gordon can find something to smile about after crashing
out of his last 500. That is class right there.


  875.   Aaron posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:10 pm
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After the up-and-down final 20 laps, as a Dale Jr. fan, I'll gladly take
3rd.

Incredibly, it's Dale Jr.'s fifth top-3 finish in the past six Daytona
500s (2nd 2010, 2nd 2012, 2nd 2013, 1st 2014, 3rd 2015). That's a hell
of a run.


  876.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:11 pm
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"Disagree wholeheartedly. Everybody who was going to be in that wreck
was already in it. And the leaders would have had more than enough time
to slow down before they came back around."

That's exactly it. I don't know if the 4 or 88 would have been able to
pass the 22, but I guess we'll never know. It's real frustrating that
they did that though especially after they let them race back to the
line after yesterday's Xfinity race.


  877.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:16 pm
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"Incredibly, it's Dale Jr.'s fifth top-3 finish in the past six Daytona
500s (2nd 2010, 2nd 2012, 2nd 2013, 1st 2014, 3rd 2015). That's a hell
of a run."

I know many people, myself included, hate to compare Jr to his dad, but
Dale Jr truly is as good at Daytona as his dad. I think it's safe to say
he's one of the best active drivers at the track today.


  878.   Schroeder51 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:18 pm
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How many pages is Leibig Law planning to sponsor on this site? That's 3
now that I know of...


  879.   Aaron posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:19 pm
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"I know many people, myself included, hate to compare Jr to his dad, but
Dale Jr truly is as good at Daytona as his dad. I think it's safe to say
he's one of the best active drivers at the track today."

I'm not sure who's better than Jr at Daytona right now, to be honest. He
screwed up going for the lead with 19 to go and still, in a fashion
reminiscent of his dad, drove balls-to-the-wall for 12 laps and went
from 20th to 3rd at the finish by just making moves.


  880.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:19 pm
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If it was just a minor spin or something (like Larson and Chastain
yesterday), then yeah, I probably would have been mad about them
throwing the caution.

But that was quite a gargantuan ass crash on the backstretch (plus, did
nobody notice Larson's crash that looked quite similar to Biffle's in
the Unlimited? - he took a hard hit). So I'm perfectly fine with them
throwing the yellow for that. Yeah, it was sort of a buzzkill ending.
But oh well. You can't have Harvick and Martin in 2007 every time.


  881.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:21 pm
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"Gordon was stopped in the middle of the track in front of oncoming
traffic. They had every reason to throw the yellow."

By the time they threw the yellow everyone was by the wreck. If they're
gonna throw it throw it when it happens not when they're in turn 4. They
really dropped the ball on that one.


  882.   SpeedWorld97 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:24 pm
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"I'm not sure who's better than Jr at Daytona right now, to be honest.
He screwed up going for the lead with 19 to go and still, in a fashion
reminiscent of his dad, drove balls-to-the-wall for 12 laps and went
from 20th to 3rd at the finish by just making moves."

That was some amazing driving by Dale. I really think that if he had a
few more laps he could have won the race.


  883.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:25 pm
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Great comment from somebody on r/Nascar:

"You all complain about safety issues after Busch's crash yesterday, and
then get mad that NASCAR flew the caution after a major crash on the
last lap. Safety should be the #1 priority in ALL cases."


  884.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:25 pm
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"Disagree wholeheartedly. Everybody who was going to be in that wreck
was already in it. And the leaders would have had more than enough time
to slow down before they came back around."

This.
Did some pack of rogue lap down cars come out nowhere behind the wreck
or something?
That wreck was basically over except for the normal idiots already in
the wreck still running in to each other and a caution wasn't gonna stop
that.

Throw the damn caution when the wreck first happens.
Not 20 seconds later giving false hope to drivers & fans alike.


  885.   Ivan Balakhonov posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:28 pm
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Utterly disappointed with the decision to throw that yellow flag.
Yesterday NASCAR got it right, today they stole the finish from us.

I see that some of you here liked the draft. Honestly, I still can't
figure it out. In my opinion the best package was from 2008 until 2010,
thus I really enjoy watching Daytona 500s from these years.

The current draft on one hand rewards the best prepared cars but on the
other makes track position too critical. Leader has too much control
over the pack and he can easily change lanes blocking passing attempts.
Three-wide is exciting to watch but those cars stacked behind has no
room to operate. Their only option is to push the car in front and very
often without any visible result. Maybe it's exciting but to some degree
pointless as well. Feel free to disagree with me, but the best event of
this year's Speedweeks was Xfinity race.


  886.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:28 pm
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If a pilot can slow a 747 or an A380 down on an 8000 foot runway, then a
professional racecar driver should be able to slow down their cars in
about a mile or so. If not, revoke their license because they don't
belong out there. Sorry, not buying the safety argument on this one.
Life shouldn't be lived in constant fear that the worse possible
scenario is going to happen.


  887.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:31 pm
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"Great comment from somebody on r/Nascar:

"You all complain about safety issues after Busch's crash yesterday, and
then get mad that NASCAR flew the caution after a major crash on the
last lap. Safety should be the #1 priority in ALL cases.""

This x100.


  888.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:32 pm
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"You all complain about safety issues after Busch's crash yesterday, and
then get mad that NASCAR flew the caution after a major crash on the
last lap. Safety should be the #1 priority in ALL cases."

Nobody disagrees. But people are blowing how unsafe that last lap was
out of proportion.


  889.   Seagal posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:34 pm
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Besides the final laps before the caution, that was the worst 500 in
years. Add to it that the 20 wrecked early with one of the best cars and
Giggles Logano won. Ugh.


  890.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:35 pm
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Great comment from somebody on r/Nascar:

"You all complain about safety issues after Busch's crash yesterday, and
then get mad that NASCAR flew the caution after a major crash on the
last lap. Safety should be the #1 priority in ALL cases."

If safety was the number on priority they wouldn't have waited so long
to throw the yellow. By the time they threw the yellow came out no one
was in any danger, there weren't any more cars going by the crash site.
If they aren't gonna throw it when the wreck started, when there were
still cars going through it they shouldn't have thrown it when everyone
was already by the wreck.


  891.   TS1420 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:35 pm
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"Great comment from somebody on r/Nascar:

"You all complain about safety issues after Busch's crash yesterday, and
then get mad that NASCAR flew the caution after a major crash on the
last lap. Safety should be the #1 priority in ALL cases.""

Major differences.
Cars hitting the wall has been the biggest cause of injuries & worse
since the beginning of racing at courses with walls.
In the 50+ years we had before freezing the field, we never had an
injury racing back to the line.

It wasn't like the wreck happened in the tri-oval or just past and the
leaders would have been coming back around at full speed in to it.
It happened on the backstraight and the leaders would have been well
slowed down by the time they came back to it.
And throwing a caution wasn't gonna make the wreck "safer", especially
since they threw the caution well after it happened.


  892.   23andJoe posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:37 pm
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>Besides the final laps before the caution, that was the worst 500 in years.

Because there weren't lead changes every single lap, I'd imagine.
There's more to a race than just the leader - this was the first 500 in
years that I didn't fall asleep during.


  893.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:39 pm
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"Nobody disagrees. But people are blowing how unsafe that last lap was
out of proportion."

That's fair, but it wasn't just a minor spin either like many are making
it out to be.

The way I see it, it was no different than the 2013 Fall Talladega
finish. I was fine with that one, and I'm fine with this one.


  894.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:40 pm
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"If a pilot can slow a 747 or an A380 down on an 8000 foot runway, then
a professional racecar driver should be able to slow down their cars in
about a mile or so. If not, revoke their license because they don't
belong out there. Sorry, not buying the safety argument on this one.
Life shouldn't be lived in constant fear that the worse possible
scenario is going to happen."

Eric Martin and Deborah Renshaw, 2002.

Just because it's unlikely to happen doesn't mean it can't. Remember
when Mike Wallace rammed into that car under yellow yesterday because he
couldn't hear his spotter? Miscommunications happen, way more often than
you may think. No such thing as being too careful when it comes to safety.


  895.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:42 pm
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NASCAR has been consistent at being inconsistent for 50 years.

And people are somehow surprised by this?


  896.   edwards19 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:42 pm
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Ugh why did a Penske car have to win...


  897.   Seagal posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:45 pm
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892. Because there weren't lead changes every single lap, I'd imagine.
There's more to a race than just the leader - this was the first 500 in
years that I didn't fall asleep during.

Because there weren't a lot of moves being made (a.k.a. 'racing') at the
front OR the middle of the pack throughout the majority of the race. As
I said, when they decided to race towards the end, it got exciting. If
you found the entire thing riveting, that's great, but I didn't.


  898.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:46 pm
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"The way I see it, it was no different than the 2013 Fall Talladega
finish. I was fine with that one, and I'm fine with this one."

I agree but, look at when they threw the yellow in that race compared to
today. The yellow was out like right after Austin's car got up in the
air. Today it didn't come out till well after the crash. The way way i
look at it they messed up today no matter which side of the argument
your one. They should have thrown it earlier or not at all. Throwing it
when they did is where they messed up.


  899.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:47 pm
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Dude they slow down on the last lap anyway. This wasn't lap 123, it was
the white flag. And I don't entirely agree with you last point either.
There comes a point sometimes where people are so focused on safety,
that they miss out on living. If safety was the main concern why not
throw the caution at all? Hell, why even race at all?


  900.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:51 pm
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I agree with most in principle about the last yellow but the only thing
that bothers me was the long hesitation before actually throwing the
yellow, by waiting that long they didn't really make things much safer.

On a related note, I'm not saying they shouldn't have thrown the yellow
period but they can and HAVE raced back to worse before(2001 Fall
Talladega).


  901.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:52 pm
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Or, how about radical idea...

Don't end the race under caution EVER...I think most people would be
happy with that. The people who are worried about safety are satisfied
and those of us who actually want to see the race play out get to see that.


  902.   Derv posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:52 pm
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If Fox is going to run so many commercials, they could at least use some
of the money to pay royalties on actual music instead of playing that
fake version of Jumping Jack Flash over and over again.

As for some underdogs I've had my eye on, Mike Wallace was 36th in his
first Daytona 500 since finishing 3rd in 2007, Reed Sorenson was caught
up in that last lap crash and finished 32nd, and Bobby Labonte (26th)
gets his worst Daytona 500 finish since 2006.


  903.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.22.2015 - 5:59 pm
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"Dude they slow down on the last lap anyway. This wasn't lap 123, it was
the white flag. And I don't entirely agree with you last point either.
There comes a point sometimes where people are so focused on safety,
that they miss out on living. If safety was the main concern why not
throw the caution at all? Hell, why even race at all?"

Obviously you have to be realistic with your concerns. And when things
like the Eric Martin incident have happened before, and/or could happen
rather easily (such as a simple spotter miscommunication), I'd say
that's pretty damn realistic. This sport is made for entertainment, but
the A-priority for all rules should be to keep the drivers as safe as
possible.

One of the points that I see people making on Twitter (such as The
Orange Cone) is that the race needed to have ended under green because
they have GWC finishes. Just...no. GWC finishes were incorporated as a
way to increase the likelihood of finishing under green, not to
guarantee it. And to incorporate the idea that was being suggested
(making it so that only the checkered flag could end the race on the
white flag lap) would just make the idea more gimmicky than it already is.


  904.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:07 pm
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Let me say this...if more information becomes available and I reach a
decision that I'm operating on faulty information then I'll concede the
point (I've heard things about Kyle Larson having a bad wreck off
camera). But there was nothing on camera that made me immediately think
that a caution was warranted.


  905.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:13 pm
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"Obviously you have to be realistic with your concerns. And when things
like the Eric Martin incident have happened before, and/or could happen
rather easily (such as a simple spotter miscommunication), I'd say
that's pretty damn realistic. This sport is made for entertainment, but
the A-priority for all rules should be to keep the drivers as safe as
possible."

Just want to point out with the Eric Martin incident, I'm pretty sure
ARCA was not required to have spotters for the drivers during practice
at the time. Renshaw never knew where Martins car was and there's also a
chance she never knew there was even a crash to begin with. That
incident is a lot different than what happened today.


  906.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:19 pm
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"Just want to point out with the Eric Martin incident, I'm pretty sure
ARCA was not required to have spotters for the drivers during practice
at the time. Renshaw never knew where Martins car was and there's also a
chance she never knew there was even a crash to begin with. That
incident is a lot different than what happened today."

She didn't know there was a wreck and was supposed to being going full
speed in a practice she thought was still green. Today, most (probably
all) drivers knew there was a wreck and they are supposed to slow down
after the checkered anyway. I agree. Not entirely comparable.


  907.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:38 pm
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In any case, I'm really anxious to see how the new rules packages play
out for the first time in Atlanta,]. I'm not expecting any big changes
(nor should I) in the racing but hopefully we will at least see an
uptick in quality. There's a better chance of that at Atlanta than
probably most other places.


  908.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:40 pm
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"Don't end the race under caution EVER...I think most people would be
happy with that."

I think that would be going a little too far. It would be a fun idea at
first, but then I just feel like drivers would be getting so damn
aggressive at the end of races that it would just tear up a really
unnecessary amount of equipment (the 2004 Gateway Truck race - the last
race before the Truck Series changed the rule into what is now the
current rule, I believe - is a prime example). Overall, I think
everything is mostly fine the way it is now. Three attempts at GWC and
ending the race no matter what on the white flag lap is plenty, in my
opinion.

"I've heard things about Kyle Larson having a bad wreck off camera"

You can't see him hit the wall on camera, but you can see him sliding
really fast into the inside wall. So I think it was definitely a hard
hit. From what I saw it looked very similar to Biffle's Unlimited crash.


  909.   murb posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:48 pm
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There's one thing I know for sure: I really hate that all of this
bullshit is overshadowing Joey's win. He clearly deserved the win,
clearly had Harvick beat (there's no doubt in my mind that Joey still
wins without the caution), and in my opinion, he drove the best race
he's ever driven in Cup. So once again, major props to him.

Really excited for Atlanta. With all of the stuff that's happened this
week, I'm really glad to move on from Daytona and finally watch this
season "officially" get under way, if you will. Should be fun.


  910.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:50 pm
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Anyway, getting away from the last lap, I'm not too sure how I felt
about this 500 in general. I didn't hate it, but I didn't really like it
either.


  911.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 6:58 pm
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There have been better 500s. There have been worse 500s.

That's all I have to say.

Here's a good one: why are the fans "entitled" to an "exciting" finish.
Yeah, it makes for a more heart-attack-inducing product, but there needs
to be consistency, and after yesterday NASCAR wasn't going to take a
chance delaying the medical crews getting to Gordon. THAT is caring
about your drivers, which is more important than giving the fans a
"thrilling" finish.


  912.   edwards19 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:01 pm
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I don't understand all the commotion about the yellow on the last lap.
Joey Logano was gonna win no matter what...


  913.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:03 pm
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One more to the back
#66 Mike Wallace - Driver Choice

Owner Update
#62 Richard Childress


  914.   Jarrett88fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:07 pm
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All in all, an average 500 except for the intense three wide racing near
the end which was above average... and yes driver safety does come into
play due to the nature of the accident having Gordon's car sitting on
the backstretch.


  915.   JP88 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:13 pm
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I thought it was a good 500. I love how NASCAR seemingly let the race
play out (other than the debris caution that we didnt see) but yeah it
was what i expected. Crazy for a little, calm for the middle and man
were those last 20 laps amazing. It's too bad it didnt go green to the
end, I wonder how it would of played out. I think Jr. would have won too
bc he was comin'. Congrats to Joey, he deserved it and now he is
solidified as a championship contender. Last year he made a huge showing
towards that and now I feel he has to be a favorite. Along with Johnson,
I think he may win 6 races+ possibly starting next week in Atlanta.


  916.   Evan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:14 pm
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Debuts
* Matt Crafton's first Sprint Cup start as an emergency fill-in for Kyle
Busch(get well soon)
* Debut of Carl Edwards in his number 19 in his new colors for JGR.
* First 500 for Biffle in the Ortho Bug-B Gon colors.
* This was the first official race to use the electronic pit road
scoring and camera systems. It handed down approximately 21 penalties,
including a very questionable "men over the wall too early" penalty on
Jimmie Johnson which he subsequently recovered from.
Race Comments
Congrats to Joey Logano, he won at the right venue for everyone to
notice. After all of the Penske Motors blew up, Logano was last man
standing and he was there at the right time. This is a career changing
event in Logano's career, it puts him in some elite company, a Daytona
500 winner. Jeff Gordon put on a good show in his last 500 leading 87
laps but failed to take the Checkers in first place and ended up fading
in the later laps and ran in the top 10 later before his crash on the
final lap which caused the caution to end the race. Still there are 35
races remaining in Jeff's farewell season and his farewell will be
followed very close by the media. Pretty impressed with Dale Earnhardt
Jr.'s run up through there as well as Kevin Harvick. This was a nice
race with plenty of racing action, not many accidents and there was not
a big one in this 500. Just a good perfect day for racing.


  917.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:14 pm
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"I don't understand all the commotion about the yellow on the last lap.
Joey Logano was gonna win no matter what..."

Harvick had the set up going. I don't think he was gonna pass him
either, but he was gonna be there. If Joey miss-timed the block he was
gonna have to throw which is a possibility he wouldn't have won. The
fact is you can't be 100% sure Joey would have won without the yellow.


  918.   W71R posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:26 pm
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Some fun facts:

Fastest Daytona 500 in 17 years, and probably would've been faster, if
not for that late caution involving Justin Allgaier.

It was also the fastest Daytona race since the 2003 Pepsi 400, 12 years ago.

11th Daytona 500 in a row to have 6 or more cautions in it, also, and
the second Daytona 500 in a row to have 7 cautions.

Three of last season's Final Four finished in the top 4 today. The other
driver, Ryan Newman, wound up 38th today, 19 laps down.

Solid runs for Casey Mears (6th), Martin Truex Jr (8th), David Gilliland
(11th), Sam Hornish Jr (12th), and Michael Annett (13th).

87: The number of laps Jeff Gordon led today, which will go down as the
most he's ever led in the Daytona 500.


  919.   edwards19 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 7:32 pm
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917: oh my bad, I was too focused on being ticked that Carl was dropping
like a rock that I wasn't paying attention to the front. Regardless,
with this package lead changes don't seem to occur very often so I
figured Joey logano was gonna win no matter what.


  920.   Anonymous posted:
  02.22.2015 - 8:16 pm
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"Owner Update
#62 Richard Childress"

you just dont get it, if they would of made the race the owner that
would of received the points for the #62 would be Jay Robinson, so it is
correctly listed as Jay Robinson as the owner


  921.   dem feels posted:
  02.22.2015 - 8:22 pm
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You had it all there nascar. Then you blew it. Everything was in place.
A great Daytona 500 to cap off the beginning of a new season. Then like
clockwork, you f'ed up as usual. I don't get it how a "professional"
racing series can be so incompetent and broken. There is so much better
racing out there, better than this crap, but many people will never even
know about it. That's just sad.

Do you know what I will remember about this speedweek? (And yes it's a
speedweek (basically one week of racing), not the great speedweeks we
used to have years ago.) I will remember nothing about the racing (even
if the nationwide and cup race had decent racing) but instead I will
remember the carnage. I will remember the bent up sheet metal and off
track drama akin to a day time soap. I will remember nascar suspending a
driver for a bs reason. I will remember a drive almost getting killed
due to a flawed track design. And lastly, I will remember nascar making
a horrible call to end the 500. What a bad taste in the mouth this is. I
had already stopped watching nascar but wanted to give it another shot.
And now it's over. Have fun guys, maybe one day you'll wake up and realize.


  922.   Nascar24Fan posted:
  02.22.2015 - 8:27 pm
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Just a quick fact: This was the first Daytona 500 to not have the Busch
brothers drive since 2000


  923.   JG24Ever posted:
  02.22.2015 - 9:13 pm
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@921

Don't let the door smack on you on the way...


  924.   Minnowfur posted:
  02.22.2015 - 9:34 pm
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The 22 car wins on Feb 22 haha


  925.   WinstonCupStandings posted:
  02.22.2015 - 9:46 pm
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Top 23 (that are on the big teams)
1) Joey Logano (180) -Leader
2) Kevin Harvick (170) -10
3) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (170) -10
4) Denny Hamlin (165) -15
5) Jimmie Johnson (160) -20
6) Clint Bowyer (146) -34
7) Greg Biffle (139) -41
8) Kasey Kahne (138) -42
9) Sam Hornish, Jr. (127) -53
10) Austin Dillon (121) -59
11) Aric Almirola (118) -62
12) Danica Patrick (100) -80
13) Carl Edwards (99) -81
14) Paul Menard (88) -92
15) Jamie McMurray (82) -98
16) Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (76) -104
17) Jeff Gordon (74) -106
18) Trevor Bayne (73) -107
19) Kyle Larson (61) -119
20) Matt Kenseth (58) -122
21) Ryan Newman (49) -131
22) Brad Keselowski (40) -140
23) Tony Stewart (37) -143


  926.   racefangurl posted:
  02.22.2015 - 9:54 pm
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If Joey wins a lot of races, I'll be doing a lot of screaming. And
another thing is I heard the narwhal commercial today.


  927.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.22.2015 - 10:14 pm
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To answer a question from someone during the race, I think the $200K for
leading at halfway is still active. Gordon led lap 100 and his take of
the purse is almost $600K for finishing 33rd, well over anyone near him
even those that are past champs and/or in the winners circle.


  928.   joey2448 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 10:37 pm
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Webmaster, there is a car #37 listed as being involved in the final lap
crash, when in reality there is no #37 car in the race. Perhaps you
missed Trevor Bayne in the #6 car? Because I know for sure Bayne was
involved.

As for the finish, I'm not super put off by it because I know that's
racing and we're not always gonna get a green-flag finish. BUT, how
about this idea? Whenever there's a crash on the final lap, throw a
"local yellow", like they do on road courses, so anyone that is behind
the wreck must slow down and where they were running is where they will
finish. Anyone that is ahead of the crash can continue racing to the
finish line.


  929.   Mike posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:13 pm
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@927: Part of that is the money he won for winning the pole, though. I
think he also gets contingency money for leading the most laps.

I think the halfway-leader money went away a long time ago.


  930.   aframe43 posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:19 pm
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925 your posts are useless. Please go away. Why do only the big teams
matter?


  931.   JRacingFast posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:41 pm
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Am i the only one who thinks its ironic that Logano......A kid whos rich
daddy helped start his career gets his first daytona 500 win in Jeff
Gordon....Anther driver whos rich daddy helped start his career by
moving him across country...Like Logano

Its kind of the passing of the torch in a way


  932.   Anthony posted:
  02.22.2015 - 11:42 pm
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Where was the debris on the lap 106 caution?


  933.   WinstonCupStandings posted:
  02.23.2015 - 12:00 am
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@930 I don't think "only the big teams matter" but the fact is the small
teams don't have the equipment that the big teams have to make a 36 week
championship season, but i'll take another look at guys like Truex and
Mears if they can carry their Daytona success into Atlanta and so on.


  934.   edwards19 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 12:49 am
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932: Probably where 90% of the "debris" is nowadays.


  935.   DB1995 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 2:08 am
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LOL at the people who said last year was a fluke for Joey and that he
would have a slump after his pit crew screwed him at Homestead.


  936.   joey2448 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 2:40 am
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Does anyone else find it funny that the two guys that were ramming each
other's cars and feuding after the Bud Shootout last week were the ones
to finish 1-2 in the Daytona 500?


  937.   b4il3y posted:
  02.23.2015 - 7:04 am
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I don't care what you all said... alright race, Joey wins, deal with it.


  938.   Cornys posted:
  02.23.2015 - 8:18 am
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I loved this race. NASCAR let it play out naturally. If this continues I
will likely get back into watching this racing league :)

I still not too optimistic, but this week was a great start.


  939.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  02.23.2015 - 9:18 am
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Congrats to Joey Logano on winning the Daytona 500. No matter what, this
win was well deserved.


  940.   Anonymous posted:
  02.23.2015 - 9:45 am
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guess the webmaster likes incorrect information on here.

the correct owner which is stated by NASCAR for the #62 entry is Jay
Robinson.

Yes the car was fielded by Richard Childress but for all purposes the
car is listed as owned by Jay Robinson


  941.   Anonymous posted:
  02.23.2015 - 10:35 am
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per NASCAR owner standings after Daytona 500

owner updates
#33 Joe Falk
#62 Jay Robinson

also if you watch the first Budweiser Duel Ty Dillon has a post race
interview where he says I want to thanks Joe Falk for allowing us to run
his car


  942.   Anonymous posted:
  02.23.2015 - 10:41 am
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I forgot one

owner update #19 J.D. Gibbs


  943.   G.D. posted:
  02.23.2015 - 10:56 am
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Uh huh, and "Jeff Gordon" is owner of the 48 car and has been listed as
such for several years. And "Walter Czarnecki" (whoever the hell that
is) is shown by NASCAR as the owner of yesterday's winning car, and
"John Henry" owns the #17 and the #6 instead of Jack Roush, apparently.

NASCAR has all kinds of funky listings on their owners' report. Who cares?

I'll settle for the much clearer method that they use here of
acknowledging Roger Penske as the owner of the #22, Rick Hendrick as
owning the #48 etc.

It would be more accurate if they used "Hendrick Motorsports" (since
Rick himself is not technically the owner of the #5 or the #48) or
"Penske Racing" or "Roush Fenway Racing" if that would satisfy the
nit-pickers, but I think we all know that Jeff Gordon isn't really the
moneyman behind the #48, etc.


  944.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.23.2015 - 11:18 am
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Somebody answer this for me, please. Why is Harvick's sponsor now listed
as Budweiser/Jimmy John's when it was the same paint scheme as last year
and was listed as simply Budweiser? Am I missing something here? I don't
really have a problem with it, especially since that's how it's listed
on the official entry list, but I'm curious as to why.

I wish we could just use the official entry list to determine what
sponsor should be listed. That's almost certainly how the sponsors want
to be billed. With that said:

SPONSOR UPDATES AS PER OFFICIAL RESULTS:
#3 Dow
#16 Ortho
#17 Fastenal
#23 Maxim Fantasy App/Dr. Pepper
#24 Drive To End Hunger
#34 Kentucky Fried Chicken
#78-Furniture Row/Visser Precision
#95 Thrivent Financial


  945.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.23.2015 - 11:26 am
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Also as far as owners go, IMO the listed owner should be the person or
persons who own the team, not the technical owner of the individual car.
If JD Gibbs broke off from his father and formed his own team, then the
#19 should be listed as JD Gibbs. He didn't though and as such Joe Gibbs
is the correct owner of the #19.

I also wish we could do away with listing things like "Stewart-Haas
Racing" as the owner. That's not the owner, that's the team that the
owners own. Why not list Tony Stewart/Gene Haas as the owners of the #4,
#10, #14, and #41?


  946.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 1:57 pm
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I can't understand all the commotion regarding the decision to throw the
caution for that crash on the backstretch. Joey Logano was going to win
the race anyway, so the overall results at the very top of the race
rundown would not have changed. Kevin Harvick didn't have anything for
Logano with those three running as they were. Had Dale, Jr. been in
second place, Joey might have had a little more to worry about, but his
car showed more speed at the end than anyone else seemed t show, so I
think Logano would have won had Dale, Jr. been in second on the last lap
and the race run green to the finish. And as I mentioned on this board
last year, watching Joey Logano race in those yellow Pennzoil colors for
Penske is almost like watching Rick Mears or Al Unser, Sr. race in those
very same colors for the very same organization 30 years ago, because he
seems to race like Mears and Big Al did. In the races he won last year,
and in this race, Logano was not a major factor for the lead in the
early part of the race, as the race progressed toward the end, the
stronger he got, and at the end, when it counted most, his was the
fastest car, despite all the press the Hendrick teams got, which was
deserved.

Also, a long-standing record I didn't think would ever be matched,
mainly due to the depth of the competition and the often random luck
that often decides who finishes up front at Daytona, was matched
yesterday when Dale, Jr. finished third. That marks his fourth
consecutive top three finish in the Daytona 500, matching Benny Parsons'
long-standing record for consistent success set from 1975-'78. From
1975-'78, Parsons' finishes in the Daytona 500 were 1-3-2-3. Dale, Jr.'s
finishes in his four-year run are 2-2-1-3, so his average finish in his
four-year streak is slightly better than Parsons' run. It's interesting
to note that in 1979, Parsons was more formidable in the Daytona 500
that year than he ever was, before or after, leading a career-high 37
laps, before overheating problems ended his quest for five consecutive
top four finishes. It will be interesting to see how Dale, Jr. fares in
his quest for a fifth straight top three finish in the Daytona 500 next
year.

Also, despite his last lap crash and resulting 33rd place finish, Jeff
Gordon accomplished one of the very few things that had eluded him in
his legendary career yesterday, and that is leading the most laps in a
single Daytona 500. Despite winning three times and leading over 300
laps, he had never led the most laps in any of his previous Daytona 500
starts. That changed yesterday, as he led 87 laps, far and away the most
for anyone. However, his attempt for victory was doomed when he led lap
100, as no driver that had led that lap won in any of his Daytona 500
starts. The last driver to lead lap 100 and win the Daytona 500 was
Davey Allison in 1992. Gordon's 87 laps led brought his Daytona 500 laps
led total to 396, placing him sixth on the all-time Daytona 500 lap
leader list, behind only Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, Sr., Buddy
Baker, Cale Yarborough, and Bobby Allison.

Also, there seemed to be a theme to the big SpeedWeeks winners, one for
fans of Ford, it has to be a very pleasant development, and that is
young drivers winning. The Truck Series race was won by Tyler Reddick, a
Team Penske development driver racing for Brad Keselowski's Truck Series
team. The XFinity Series race was won by Ryan Reed, who although heavily
criticized by me and others for his high number of crashes, earned that
win he got, and the Daytona 500 was won by Joey Logano, the
second-youngest driver ever to win the Daytona 500, and only the fifth
driver ever to win the Daytona 500 before his 27th birthday. Three of
the other four, Gordon, Richard Petty, and Mario Andretti, went on to
legendary careers, and the jury's still out on Trevor Bayne, the
youngest driver to ever win a 500-mile race anywhere. Last week, I
stated that Joey Logano had to back up what he did last year to earn a
spot in my top ten current drivers list. Well, he's well on his way to
doing just that.

And this weekend had to be especially galling to JGR. First, Kyle Busch
gets a broken leg in a crash late in the XFinity Series race. Then their
#1 driver, Matt Kenseth, get in a wreck with Tony Stewart, and to top
all that off, Joey Logano, the other driver to race in the JGR #20 car,
who they tried to kick out of that car for a year and a half before they
did, ends up winning the Daytona 500 driving one of the best tactical
races seen by a Daytona 500 winner in years, right down to splitting up
the Toyotas on that final restart. You knew it had to be a bad sign that
for most of the race, Carl Edwards was JGR's best hope at a victory,
because Edwards has yet to bag one of the big ones.

And to make matters even worse, it seems that JGR may not have learned
their lesson from watching Joey Logano struggling in one of their cars
for four years, because they're talking to Erik Jones about having him
drive the #18 car while Kyle Busch is mending. Really? He's nowhere near
ready for a Cup ride, much less one with such a high profile. If they
make that decision, they could very well ruin Jones' fledgling career.
Having a steady, experienced, if unspectacular driver like Matt Crafton
in that car is the perfect choice for that team while Kyle mends. And
having a similar driver in the XFinity Series fill that role if Crafton
is tied up in the Truck Series is the way to go. They need to put an
experienced driver in that car while Kyle mends from his injuries. And
if that driver is from outside the Toyota ranks, then so be it. But even
considering putting an extremely young, untested driver in such that car
is a bad idea. And actually putting such a driver in that car could have
disastrous consequences.


  947.   HouseOfPenske posted:
  02.23.2015 - 2:46 pm
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The commotion is coming from Bowtie and Earnhardt hillbillies.


  948.   racefangurl posted:
  02.23.2015 - 3:22 pm
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931, I agree about the torch pass bit. And I agree about the jury still
out Trevor Bayne, as I feel a driver that hasn't run a full Cup season
can't be judged. He's not bad, I think. But as to how much this is true,
it's too hard to call. He's solid, minimum. I mean, the Wood Brothers
don't think he's bad.


  949.   Baxter posted:
  02.23.2015 - 3:29 pm
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Error: the final caution lists the 37 as a car involved, there was no 37
in the race.


  950.   murb posted:
  02.23.2015 - 4:00 pm
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Regan Smith will drive the #41 again in Atlanta. Seems like they'll be
sticking with him through this whole thing and sort of "auditioning" him
for that ride.


  951.   racefangurl posted:
  02.23.2015 - 4:12 pm
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I wanted him to redeem himself after the way he ran in the
Nationwide/Xfinity series last year. I became a Smith fan last fall.
Maybe he'll keep the ride for a few years. I hope so. I kind of like
him. He's a nice guy and deserves a 2nd chance.


  952.   murb posted:
  02.23.2015 - 4:21 pm
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Really don't know what to make of Erik Jones most likely being Kyle's
temporary replacement in the #18. I'm really happy that they are getting
behind a young guy who clearly has outstanding talent, but I'm just not
so sure about throwing him into an A-list Cup ride THIS soon. I wish
they would just let him focus on winning the Truck championship (he's
definitely one of the two or three favorites for that) and getting seat
time in NXS. There's no need to rush him.

If they are dead-set on using a young guy, I think they should go with
either Alex Bowman, Landon Cassill, or Parker Kligerman (the fact that
he's having to be a TV analyst at this stage of his career because he
doesn't have a ride is sickening). Those guys all have Cup experience,
have proven themselves to be clean racers and non wrecking balls (even
though Bowman had some crash DNFs, he was driving for god damn BK Racing
- what do you expect from that team?), and they all have fantastic
personalities and seem like they would be great with the sponsors. So I
really wish those guys would at least get some consideration.

Or, like I said yesterday, Bobby Labonte is available if they want a
veteran (or hell, I thought Crafton did a great job yesterday - I
wouldn't mind seeing him get more races in there). Yeah, Bobby peaked 15
years ago. But if you want a veteran who won't tear stuff up, will give
20+ years and a Cup championship's worth of insight to a rookie crew
chief, and will just overall do a great job at holding everything down
while Kyle is away, you're not gonna find anyone better than him.

So yeah. Even though I love Erik Jones and think he's a monster talent,
I'm not so sure about this. I think there are a lot better options than
just throwing him to the wolves like this. If it does happen, then I
really hope he'll have some good mentoring in his corner and will be
able to avoid being totally lost out there. At this point though, I just
don't know.


  953.   BurningThunder posted:
  02.23.2015 - 5:40 pm
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#44 Crew Chief: Peter Sospenzo


  954.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.23.2015 - 5:42 pm
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I actually don't mind the decision to put Erik in the #18 (at least for
most of the races that Kyle misses). The difference between his
situation and Logano's is that Cup isn't going to be his primary focus.
He can focus on winning in the Trucks while simultaneously using his
opportunities in Cup and Xfinity to gain higher-series experience. If he
starts getting overwhelmed and can't handle the Cup spotlight, then you
take him out and let him solely focus on Trucks. If he runs well in Cup,
then Gibbs will have a backup plan if he can't retain Denny Hamlin after
this year (and if he can, then you just move him to Xfinity next year).


  955.   Leibig Law Firm? posted:
  02.23.2015 - 5:43 pm
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I've checked into this Leibig Law sponsor. They appear legit and from
DC, previously covering the Beltway Sniper case and Lee Boyd Malvo.


  956.   BluesTravelerFan posted:
  02.23.2015 - 5:55 pm
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@952 I wish SO BAD they would put Bobby in that car... Won't happen though.


  957.   Sarf52 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 6:23 pm
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Healthy, 48 car entry list for Atlanta

Matt DiBenedetto set to make his Sprint Cup debut in the #83
Brendan Gaughan in the #62 for Jay Robinson
Travis Kvapil in the #44
Reed Sorenson in the #29
Brett Moffitt in the #55
#18 is still TBA, likely Crafton returns to the car again this week


  958.   edwards19 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 7:07 pm
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Just wondering, but if qualifying is rained out (very common in spring
atlanta races) do I have to worry about Carl Edwards DNQing? I ask this
because it seems sometimes the field is set on owner points and other
times the field is set on practice speeds, and I don't really know the
procedure.


  959.   BMan0213 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 7:20 pm
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"Just wondering, but if qualifying is rained out (very common in spring
atlanta races) do I have to worry about Carl Edwards DNQing? I ask this
because it seems sometimes the field is set on owner points and other
times the field is set on practice speeds, and I don't really know the
procedure."

Pretty sure Edwards would be safe. Someone said on twitter today that if
the field was set on owners points it's only for the first 36 spots.
After that there's many other things that would decide the remaining
spots, first of which would be wins from last season. Since Carl won
twice last year he'd get one of those spots so he's ok if it rains.


  960.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.23.2015 - 7:33 pm
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All right DiBenedetto!
I really thought he deserved a chance to actually race a car, or
something that looks like a car. Hope he'll get some speed out of that
BK ride.


  961.   edwards19 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 8:46 pm
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959: OK thank you now I can be relieved that Carl Edwards should be able
to keep his elusive "never dnq'd for a race in the 3 major series"
intact. It's actually more uncommon than one would think ;)


  962.   Scott B posted:
  02.23.2015 - 10:58 pm
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I wouldn't mind seeing Erik Jones in the #18 for a few select events
(Phoenix would be ideal). Throwing him in that ride as the primary sub
for Kyle would be not such a good plan, though..


  963.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.23.2015 - 10:58 pm
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I posted this on Nascar Memes, Fans of SiriusXM NASCAR Radio, 24/7
NASCAR talk, and a few other NASCAR Facebook pages earlier today




Verizon has a relationship with Xfinity (which is kind of ironic if you
follow NASCAR) In the very first race under the Xfinity name a superstar
in the Sprint Cup series gets injured and will be out for probably half
the Sprint Cup Season.

100% coincidence, but its quite ironic


  964.   murb posted:
  02.24.2015 - 10:17 am
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Multiple sources are reporting that David Ragan is suddenly the top
candidate to fill in for Kyle Busch. COMPLETELY out of left field, but
interesting move if true.


  965.   Scott B posted:
  02.24.2015 - 11:02 am
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Well, Edwards and Kenseth might be lobbying on his behalf. Interesting.


  966.   jabber1990 posted:
  02.24.2015 - 11:23 am
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the only reason I don't like Erik Jones is because he's never ran an
Xfinity season


so we're going to throw him into a racecar for probably the length of a
truck season, in races 2-3 times longer than the average truck race?


however if he ran at Phoenix and possibly Martinsville I won't complain


  967.   murb posted:
  02.24.2015 - 11:28 am
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Apparently Ragan will be splitting it with Erik Jones. I actually like
that idea a lot. It lets Erik primarily focus on winning that Truck
championship, while at the same time it gives him a small taste of the
Cup Series in a shared ride with a solid Cup veteran. Also, Ragan gets a
really great opportunity in great equipment again, something I would say
he only truly had for two of his seasons at Roush (2008 and 2011 were
the only years he was there where I would say they were hands down one
of the two best teams in Nascar, like JGR is now - coincidentally, those
were also probably his two best seasons as a driver, as well).

So this is actually a really smart move by JGR, I think. Ragan should be
able to be pretty competitive on the cookie cutters and plate tracks in
that car (assuming he runs Talladega, he might actually be the favorite
to win that race now), and their star of the future Jones gets to get
his feet wet in Cup while being paired with a solid Cup veteran (surely
a better bet and less pressure filled situation for him as opposed to
just throwing him to the wolves would be).

The only question left now is who replaces Ragan in the #34. I think
Kligerman and Cassill would both be great choices, but at this point
it's really hard to say who might be one of the favorites.


  968.   murb posted:
  02.24.2015 - 11:36 am
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Another JGR note: Erik Jones is most likely to take over the #54 NXS
ride as well. At this point I have to wonder if they'll just switch his
points eligibility over to NXS. If this happens, he'll almost surely be
running every race to the end of he season (once Kyle gets back, I doubt
they'll throw him back into that NXS car - surely they're smarter than
that).


  969.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.24.2015 - 12:22 pm
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"The only question left now is who replaces Ragan in the #34. I think
Kligerman and Cassill would both be great choices, but at this point
it's really hard to say who might be one of the favorites."

I'd like to see James Buescher get the opportunity. He's only running
part-time in Trucks this year, so it's absolutely feasible for him to
take over the ride. Not to mention that it might be his lone remaining
chance to keep his name relevant after his RAB Racing ride crumbled at
the end of the year.

"Another JGR note: Erik Jones is most likely to take over the #54 NXS
ride as well. At this point I have to wonder if they'll just switch his
points eligibility over to NXS. If this happens, he'll almost surely be
running every race to the end of he season (once Kyle gets back, I doubt
they'll throw him back into that NXS car - surely they're smarter than
that)."

I don't know about that. I saw a quote from Gibbs saying that he won't
cut back on Busch's Xfinity/Trucks schedule once he's healthy. My gut
feeling tells me that the 54 is just going to end up being a mix of Cup
drivers (and maybe Jones in races where he doesn't run the 20).


  970.   racefangurl posted:
  02.24.2015 - 2:14 pm
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David Ragan's not a Toyota driver. Why is that crazy info floating
around? I don't have a huge problem with Erik Jones in the NXS car. I'd
rather see a Toyota driver in a yucky Cup car get an upgrade on that
side, though. Or Kligerman takes Kyle's ride while he's down.


  971.   racefangurl posted:
  02.24.2015 - 2:22 pm
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I meant Parker or someone in yucky Toyota ride over David on the Cup side


  972.   murb posted:
  02.24.2015 - 2:47 pm
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"I saw a quote from Gibbs saying that he won't cut back on Busch's
Xfinity/Trucks schedule once he's healthy."

Well, that's moronic. You'd think after all this they would realize that
maybe he shouldn't be running all these lower series races. Ugh.

For the time being though, it probably will be solely Jones in the #54.
I doubt any of the Cup guys will do it (unless this Ragan deal also
includes a few races in there). Denny has said for years now that he
doesn't like running NXS races, and Carl actually has made good on his
"retirement" from the NXS cars (he's only run won one race since he
stopped running that series full time). I guess I could see Kenseth
running a few in addition to his five in the #20, but I don't know.
We'll see I guess.

Also, I like the idea of James Buescher in the #34. I hadn't thought of
that.


  973.   David posted:
  02.24.2015 - 2:55 pm
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"he's only run won one race since he stopped running that series full time"

Well, he won one race, but it was in his only start (Watkins Glen a few
years back), so either is applicable.


  974.   murb posted:
  02.24.2015 - 3:03 pm
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"Well, he won one race, but it was in his only start (Watkins Glen a few
years back), so either is applicable."

lol, When I was going to type "one race", I remembered that he actually
WON that race, so I guess that's why they both came out.


  975.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.24.2015 - 3:24 pm
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Damn...well, Dylan Kwasniewski just tweeted that he's out of a ride. Not
a fan of his, but that's a tough break for him to get dumped so soon.


  976.   racefangurl posted:
  02.24.2015 - 4:04 pm
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He should go look for a Truck ride now.


  977.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.24.2015 - 4:09 pm
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"Well, that's moronic. You'd think after all this they would realize
that maybe he shouldn't be running all these lower series races. Ugh."

Either Joe Gibbs has bought into the "200 NASCARs wins" thing, sponsers
WANT him too or combination of those 2 and other things. I agree with
you though.


  978.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.24.2015 - 4:22 pm
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In the midst of the #18 and it's driver search, Moffitt being in the #55
completely flew over my head. He showed promise in his few starts last
year, let's see what he can do with a good midfield car. Which, imo,
looks GORGEOUS, seriously if you like a blue racecar, check it out!

If Ragan is in the #18, then given his current ride, I'm surprised, even
though Bob Jenkins always struck me as a guy who'd say "It's a good
ride, you're free to take it!"
Then the driver taking the #34 will be Reutimann, I think, but I surely
hope for a Busch Series independent, Cassill or Kligerman.


  979.   Scott B posted:
  02.24.2015 - 4:33 pm
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I applaud Jenkins for giving his drivers the freedom to take advantage
when an opportunity like this comes along.

It is possible, though, that it will work to his advantage. If Ragan
were to win a race in the #18, and then return when Kyle is healthy, he
could end up running the chase races for Front Row.

A bit of a longshot, but stranger things have happened.


  980.   JG24FanForever posted:
  02.24.2015 - 4:46 pm
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95th time Jeff Gordon led the most laps in a race, becoming the second
driver,behind only Big E, to lead 1500+ laps in plate racing.

It was the 14th anniversary of the demise of Big E, and the #3 finished 14th
after wrecking Jeff Gordon on his final Daytona 500 lap, who ended up
33rd. And June, fittingly, finished 3rd to create an interesting
numerical chain.

Gordon also, as I might imagine was mentioned earlier, Led the first lap
of his final Daytona 500 to go along with his leading his first ever
Daytona 500 lap back in 1993.


  981.   racefangurl posted:
  02.24.2015 - 4:49 pm
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I don't know if my absence of the Xfinity boards has been noticed. I
don't go there because I'm just a casual fan of that series, not as
fired up as I was. If a Truck or Xfinity race comes on FOX, I'll venture
over there, but otherwise, I don't care enough to comment there. Am I
doing better this year than last? Or am I still crazy/random and
over-focused on certain topics? I have been trying.

I wonder who will be in the 41 when Smith has an Xfinity race elsewhere.


  982.   Anonymous posted:
  02.24.2015 - 7:45 pm
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This situation with David Ragan could prove interesting. If he wins
during his stint with JGR then he locks himself in The Chase and the 18
into the owner's Chase. But then once Kyle came back, David would return
to the 34 and compete for the championship in a car that wasn't in the
Chase while Kyle probably wouldn't be eligible for the driver's
championship, but would be driving a car eligible to win the owner's
championship.

I would also say David Ragan being in The Chase would probably be a big
deal for the 34 as far as sponsors go even if he qualified for The Chase
in another car.


  983.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.24.2015 - 7:47 pm
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982 was me, BTW.


  984.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.24.2015 - 8:33 pm
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I hope too the heavens Joe Gibbs runs David at Talladega.


  985.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.24.2015 - 9:02 pm
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I'm glad to see that JGR cam to their senses and put an experienced
driver in the #18 car. Now whether or not David Ragan will be a solid
substitute driver or return to the error-prone ways that plagued him at
Roush is something only time can answer. But they needed to go with a
driver with experience, and with Ragan, they certainly have that now.
Had they gone with their first option, which was Erik Jones, I don't
think that could have ever worked at this stage, and could have
torpedoed Jones' career. I also think it's for that reason that the
decision SHR made to put Regan Smith in the #41 car was the right one to
make. Chase Elliott is a much faster driver than Smith is, and since
he'll be racing at HMS next year, there were those that thought young
Chase may still end up running some races in that car, but I'm glad they
didn't throw Chase into that car at this time They needed an experienced
hand in that car, and with Smith, they have it.

Now as for what might happen to the #34 team going forward with Ragan in
a better car for the foreseeable future, while others are focusing on
other drivers, I can actually see them shutting the #34 team down and
focusing on the 35 and 38 teams. Two cars is plenty for Front Row
Motorsports, but three cars is too much for that small team, so I
actually think that Front Row Motorsports may actually end up shutting
the #34 team down and consolidating their personnel and equipment into
their two existing teams, and when Kyle Busch returns to the #18 car,
whenever that happens, they could reinsert Ragan into one of the two
cars, especially if he's high up in the points standings, and he's going
to enter the #18 car 17th in the points standings, ironically one spot
ahead of where the #18 is in the owner's standings after one race. What
I think they should expect from Ragan in the #18 car is consistent top
15 runs with an occasional top 5-10 run, but contending for wins is out
of the question, except for Talladega, where he'll be one of the
favorites. I just don't think Ragan is capable of much more than
consistent top 15 runs with occasional top 5-10s mixed in, but I don't
think they really want Ragan to try to go out for wins. All they want is
consistent finishes. If they can get that, they should be pleased.

And Scott B (#979), it is certainly a pleasant surprise that a Ford team
allowed one of their drivers to run for a Toyota team, but remember that
Front Row Motorsports is not a heavily backed team and gets little to no
support from Ford. That said, Ford and Jack Roush did give JGR the go
ahead to put Elliott Sadler in that #18 car, but they decided not to,
which is likely an indictment of Sadler. But this is the second big hit
for Toyota this season, with the first being what happened to Brian
Vickers, and I think Michael Waltrip is making a BIG mistake putting
Brett Moffitt in the #55 car for Atlanta. Actually, I think Matt Crafton
would have been a good option there, because they need the experience
and steadiness of Crafton. Again, the goal is not to run up front as
much as it is to finish the race, and Crafton or some other experienced
driver gives the #55 team a better chance to finish in the top 20 than
an inexperienced driver like Moffitt does, especially on a tire-eating
track like Atlanta. But also, putting Moffitt in the #55 car and JGR
even considering Erik Jones shows just how thin the driver pool is,
especially among the Toyota drivers.


  986.   murb posted:
  02.24.2015 - 9:24 pm
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Apparently David Reutimann was offered the #34 for Atlanta this weekend,
but he won't be able to drive it because he hasn't gotten his Nascar
license renewed yet this year. Talk about bad timing.

Front Row is also talking to Bobby Labonte though, and it sounds like
that's close to happening. Bobby makes a lot of sense for them,
considering that he has the champion's provisional and the #34 doesn't
have any owner points to start out this year. So that's not really
surprising at all that they would go after him.


  987.   Anonymous posted:
  02.25.2015 - 12:55 am
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^^
Unless I'm reading the rules on Jayski wrong....
Labonte just used his PC provisional at Daytona so he doesn't have
another one available until he attempts 6 more races. He couldn't use it
at Atlanta either because he was not entered in the #34 before the entry
deadline.


  988.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.25.2015 - 1:04 am
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"Labonte just used his PC provisional at Daytona so he doesn't have
another one available until he attempts 6 more races. He couldn't use it
at Atlanta either because he was not entered in the #34 before the entry
deadline."

I know the second part's true because Mike Skinner had that happen to
him at the Truck race in Daytona a few years ago (where he wasn't fast
enough on speed and couldn't use the PC provisional because his truck
was a post-entry). Never heard of the first part; I just thought you
could use a maximum of 7 PC provisionals throughout the season.

Actually, then again, the #34 team wouldn't be a post-entry because they
were entered already, just with Ragan as the driver. So I'm not 100%
sure of the rules and how they apply in this situation.


  989.   Anonymous posted:
  02.25.2015 - 1:38 am
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From Jayski, note the last line:

"The Champion's Provisional starting position is defined as the starting
position assigned to the entry whose driver is the current or a former
NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Champion, who participated as a driver in the
2014 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series and who was entered in the Event for that
car owner in that vehicle by the entry deadline."

Also:

"Past Champions Provisional Rules which began in 2013: Past Sprint Cup
champions can use a past champion's provisional only once every six
races this season instead of having unlimited access to provisionals as
in the past. [...] Any past champion who ran at least one race the
previous season starts the year with one provisional starting spot. Once
a driver uses it, they must make six attempts to qualify before getting
another past champion's provisional - the driver would get use of the
provisional at that sixth race."


  990.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.25.2015 - 10:58 am
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Rumor has it that Dez Bryant did something that makes Ray Rice look tame.

And NASCAR has a DV issues ex-girlfriend of Kurt Busch Patty??????


  991.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.25.2015 - 2:15 pm
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Joe Nemechek will drive the #34 this weekend in place of David Ragan.


  992.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.25.2015 - 2:19 pm
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Front Row Joe races for Front Row Motorsports.
Neat, his best cup car since 2006.


  993.   racefangurl posted:
  02.25.2015 - 4:43 pm
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992, that's cute. I mean their names match.


  994.   Quasar posted:
  02.25.2015 - 6:44 pm
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992. Since 2007 I'd say. He was often running in the Top20 in the #13.


  995.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.25.2015 - 9:23 pm
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Some people are NOT very happy about Joe getting the #34 ride. Well i
for one am glad. Better then what he has been getting for the last
couple of years.


  996.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  02.26.2015 - 9:44 am
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Breaking News: Due to potential scheduling conflicts on FOX SPORTS 1,
the Toyota Owners 400 from Richmond has moved from that network to the
FOX Broadcast Network, in return FOX has given up broadcast rights to
the STP 500 from Martinsville to FOX SPORTS 1. This will mark the first
time since 2002 the Spring Martinsville race will air on cable (FX
then)due to FOX wanting to cover the CART: Toyota GP of Long Beach to
help better promote SPEED's coverage of the CART series after having
left ESPN/ABC for SPEED/CBS.


  997.   Zackary Shawn posted:
  02.26.2015 - 12:09 pm
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Can we be honest with each other for a minute? There probably isn't
going to be a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series race this Sunday at Atlanta Motor
Speedway.


  998.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  02.26.2015 - 12:57 pm
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Their calling for a 30% chance of showers during the day on Sunday. We
should be for sure able to get at least half way in. Otherwise, the
chance of rain is heavy throughout Sunday night to Wednesday at the very
least with Monday night and Tuesday showing a 40% chance of rain. This
coming from the NWS in Peachtree City, GA. I'll be monitoring the
weather as we get closer to race day Sunday.


  999.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.26.2015 - 6:33 pm
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Weather forecasts can change very quickly


  1000.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.26.2015 - 6:34 pm
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Also, nice to see Front Row Joe get the #34. He should get the car in
the race no problem and bring it home in it's usual spot in the mid to
upper 20s.


  1001.   racefangurl posted:
  02.26.2015 - 8:47 pm
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Atlanta's cold now. I wonder if they could have a snow delay. If it
stays as cold as it has, it's possible.


  1002.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  02.26.2015 - 9:09 pm
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I have good news, 23.5 million people saw atleast some part of the
Daytona 500 (no pre or post race coverage). Truck Quing, the Xfinity
race, 500 Quing and the rest was up too.

Looks like NASCAR cared over some of the momentum from last year.


  1003.   ch posted:
  02.26.2015 - 9:15 pm
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I live in downtown Atlanta (30-45 mins north of Hampton where AMS is),
and we did not get any snow or ice the past few days. Once you get about
30 mins north of downtown is where all the snow happened, so winter
weather delays will definitely not be happening.

I can confirm that it has been cold, but nothing worse than Daytona had
early in speedweeks.


  1004.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.26.2015 - 9:28 pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember, one big reason the two races
at Atlanta were consolidated into one n Labor Day Weekend was because of
the weather problems they always seemed to run into at Atlanta,
particularly in the spring. In fact, the most recent Cup Series race not
fully televised was the 1991 spring race at Atlanta. ABC had that one,
but rain intervened 42 laps in, and the race was completed the following
day. But there was no television coverage of the completion of the race,
which was won by Ken Schrader. In the 1992 spring race at Atlanta, which
marked the debut of the competition caution due to tire concerns (which
was lauded by the ABC commentating crew of Paul Page, Benny Parsons, and
Bobby Unser), weather was iffy for the first half of that race, and of
course, we all know what happened in 1993. That race was postponed a
week because of the monster snowstorm that blanketed the entire eastern
half of the country, and mercifully, TNN decided to carry the race. And
in 1999, this race again got postponed because of rain. Yet, when NASCAR
did the schedule realignment for 2015, they seemed to have forgotten all
the weather trouble this race has had over the years, and as a result,
they could be running headlong into the same problem they had a couple
of decades ago.

And by the way, even though I think they made the right decision to hire
an experienced driver to sub for Kyle Busch for as long as he's out of
the #18 car, it's also a fact that David Ragan MUST be competitive in
the #18 car. He doesn't have to run with the leaders, and I don't expect
him to, but he also has to be competitive. And if he's not competitive,
or he becomes the same error-prone driver he was when he drove Roush's
#6 car, Joe Gibbs has to have a back-up plan. I said it was a terrible
idea to put Erik Jones in that car, but I also think it could be a good
idea to have him test a Cup car, and if Ragan flops in the #18 car, then
it may not be such a bad idea to run him in non-conflicting races if
David Ragan flops in the #18 car. I don't think that will happen,
because of the experience Ragan now has, but if Ragan is uncompetitive
or makes mistakes a rookie driver might make, then it might be time to
reconsider having Ragan in that car. I think Ragan will do a serviceable
job in that car, though not much better. The rest of his career rests on
what he does with this opportunity. I think this is a situation everyone
that watches the sport will be interested in during the time Kyle Busch
is out of the #18 car, which I suspect will be at least until the
Coca-Cola 600, if not closer to the NASCAR's return to Daytona and the
Firecracker 400 in July.


  1005.   Hinch77 posted:
  02.27.2015 - 7:03 am
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Irrelevant to this race, but apparently Greg Pursley announced his
retirement from racing after this past KNPSW season. In addition, Gene
Price Motorsports is ceasing operations, but that was known before
Pursley's retirement announcement.


  1006.   WinstonCup4Ever posted:
  02.27.2015 - 8:40 am
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@1004: Correction it was 1998 for postponement, not 1999. 1999 just had
a rain delay. 2006 was the last time the Spring date had a postponement.
It was carried on FX with some FOX affiliates. This practice was also
used for the Aaron's 499 later that same year and the NXS Bristol Spring
race the year before.


  1007.   Dude 67 posted:
  02.27.2015 - 8:57 am
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So Team Xtreme had their hauler stolen overnight


  1008.   David posted:
  02.27.2015 - 10:21 am
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^This is true. Their race car was stolen.


  1009.   Scott B posted:
  02.27.2015 - 11:19 am
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^^ ...and the #44 has withdrawn from the Atlanta race due to the theft.
Like Daytona, they didn't have a backup car prepped, and this time they
won't be able to send a last minute replacement.

Of course, if a backup car had been in the same trailer, things would be
even worse for Xtreme.


  1010.   We need more Onion posted:
  02.27.2015 - 11:22 am
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Oh, damn'.
Poor Team Xtreme, I really feel for them.


  1011.   The Long Shot posted:
  02.27.2015 - 11:50 am
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Damn, that sucks for the Cohen team. Mike Harmon strikes again?


  1012.   racefangurl posted:
  02.27.2015 - 12:08 pm
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Why would someone steal a racecar? People are crazy sometimes. Do they
hate Travis Kvapil? Btw, I have trouble saying his last name.


  1013.   The Incredible Mister the Man posted:
  02.27.2015 - 12:44 pm
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"Btw, I have trouble saying his last name."

And just HOW is this relevant???????


  1014.   RWR posted:
  02.27.2015 - 1:22 pm
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Why these guys would steal a crap car like the #44?! I can understand if
they steal a "Hendrick" Car...


  1015.   racefangurl posted:
  02.27.2015 - 2:25 pm
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A woman that writes on RaceFansForever said people are dishonest or
maybe some druggie stole it to sell for drug money.


  1016.   Anonymous posted:
  02.27.2015 - 4:09 pm
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racefangurl please attempt to make some sense when you post.


  1017.   racefangurl posted:
  02.27.2015 - 4:44 pm
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I was on that site I mentioned and commented about the stolen race car
and this older lady that writes there decided to reply, mentioned the
value of the hauler's contents and said "Not all folks in this world are
honest Hon, and some are drug addicts as well." Explanation of last
post. Give me a break people! I have a throat cold today.


  1018.   Quasar posted:
  02.27.2015 - 4:55 pm
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Usual spot for Ragan in the opening practice: 34th.
Ragan's spot in his first attempt in the #18: 3rd.

Probably doesn't mean anything but that must feel weird to actually have
speed in his car after driving for FRM for a few years...


  1019.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.27.2015 - 6:20 pm
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Gordon, Dos Jotas, Stewart, Kenseth amongst others didn't get out of
tech soon enough to put a time up in Q1. Those cars had to go through
tech twice.

Curious to see what big cars if any miss the Atlanta race.


  1020.   joey2448 posted:
  02.27.2015 - 6:23 pm
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13 cars did not get to make a single lap in round one of qualifying,
including big names like Johnson, Gordon, Kenseth and Stewart. All of
them made at least one pass through inspection. I don't know if we
should blame NASCAR or the teams. Either way, something has to change.


  1021.   murb posted:
  02.27.2015 - 6:26 pm
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"Curious to see what big cars if any miss the Atlanta race."

All of the biggest names are good on points and/or champion's
provisionals, I believe. The only "big" name I'm unsure of is Regan Smith.

Once again though, pure idiocy from both Nascar and these race teams. It
shouldn't be this difficult to figure out.


  1022.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  02.27.2015 - 6:38 pm
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"All of the biggest names are good on points and/or champion's
provisionals, I believe. The only "big" name I'm unsure of is Regan Smith."

The #41 is on Chase points from last year, so at worst they're 16th in
'14 points. The list that didn't get a run had several new teams/S&P's
from last year.

I don't know when tech started prior to Q1, but there should be extra
time in the beginning of the year when teams are still adjusting to a
new rules package. In pre-race interviews, Logano said his car was last
on tech the first go-around. I thought that the tech line was based on
owners points. When did that change?


  1023.   Daniel posted:
  02.27.2015 - 6:38 pm
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Jayski has Edwards, Sorenson, Hornaday Jr., and Annett listed in red as
having to make it in speed.

Since Sorenson & Annett didn't get on the track, I'm assuming they're
two of the DNQ's.


  1024.   Seagal posted:
  02.27.2015 - 7:37 pm
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The sheer number of cars that failed inspection today leads me to think
its a result of the new rules package. NASCAR should have expected some
issues for the first go-around. Also, if what Johnson said is true that
teams now have 1 less hour to get through inspection, then NASCAR has no
one to blame but themselves.


  1025.   Scott B posted:
  02.27.2015 - 8:42 pm
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Sorenson and Annett are indeed DNQ's, along with #66 Mike Wallace and
#83 Matt DiBenedetto.

I would not be happy if I was one of the guys who DNQ'ed due to the
inspection snag.


  1026.   Scott B posted:
  02.27.2015 - 8:53 pm
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Other notes:

Joe Nemecheck puts the #34 in at 28th. Haters can hate, he got the job done.

Ron Hornaday Jr. claims the 34th spot with the #30, final qualifier on
speed before it goes to provisionals to set the rest of the field.

Jeb Burton has to take an owner's points provisional, but is in a Cup
field for the first time in his young career.


  1027.   Anonymous posted:
  03.02.2015 - 11:08 am
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@webmaster

all the crew chief data for the Daytona 500 is duplicated in their
stats, on the drives page it has the crew chief listed twice, on the
crew chief page it shows 1 more race for the year than it should, right
now if they have crew chief for Daytona and Atlanta it shows 3 races for
the year, on the track stats page the totals are correct


  1028.   NASCAR8824 posted:
  09.10.2015 - 9:32 pm
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Boo Joey. LOL.


  1029.   NASCAR8824 posted:
  09.10.2015 - 9:36 pm
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Pretty boring first 160 laps. Last 40 laps were awesome.


  1030.   Big King Fan posted:
  12.03.2015 - 3:33 pm
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Top ten If race ended halfway:

1. #24 Jeff Gordon, finished 33rd
2. #5 Kasey Kahne, finished 9th
3. #88 Dale Earnhardt Jr., finished 3rd
4. #33 Ty Dillon, finished 28th
5. #27 Paul Menard, finished 25th
6. #11 Denny Hamlin, finished 4th
7. #15 Clint Bowyer, finished 7th
8. #1 Jamie McMurray, finished 27th
9. #22 Joey Logano, finished 1st
10. #4 Kevin Harvick, finished 2nd


  1031.   Gordon7timechamp posted:
  01.29.2016 - 6:59 am
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Bush was suspended for domestic violence.


  1032.   AutoRockinRacing94 posted:
  02.04.2016 - 4:10 pm
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After today's announcement, it appears that it was also Tony Stewart's
last Daytona 500.


  1033.   Maverick11 posted:
  02.12.2016 - 11:18 pm
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Most likely the last Cup start for Mike Wallace.


  1034.   Braindead Zombie posted:
  04.02.2016 - 12:12 am
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The thing I remember about this race is narwhals.


  1035.   Windows Millennium Edition posted:
  06.06.2016 - 8:48 pm
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Webmaster,

The #18 and #41 cars never withdrew from the race, the drivers of the
cars were only replaced. The cars were never taken off the entry list at
any point during Speedweeks.


  1036.   The Great Dave posted:
  06.06.2016 - 9:17 pm
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#1038

I think they should still allow it. Technically the drivers did withdraw
if you think about it.


  1037.   Anonymous posted:
  06.26.2016 - 11:27 am
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This was the one that started the moronic trend of listing drivers who
get replaced on the withdrawn list. I see the brothers are still on the
list.


  1038.   Anonymous posted:
  09.28.2016 - 12:56 pm
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The #18 and #41 teams did not withdraw from the race. The had a driver
swap. The difference is very objective.


  1039.   nascarman posted:
  09.28.2016 - 3:09 pm
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Ooh, I see we have a new driver change distinction, perfect.


  1040.   chevyfan98 posted:
  10.06.2016 - 4:00 am
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Probably Johnny Sauter's final cup race.


  1041.   Windows Millennium Edition posted:
  07.16.2017 - 9:54 pm
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Most likely Mike Wallace's last Cup start.


  1042.   Mr.Victory posted:
  03.07.2018 - 9:09 am
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Cars involved lap 203 wreck: 42, 24, 46(clips grass), 3, 47, 9, 38,
43(spins through dog leg), 27, 18, 6, 47, 41


  1043.   Mr.Victory posted:
  11.05.2018 - 7:31 am
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@17 was right. Chase Elliott did win the pole.


  1044.   Matt T posted:
  11.06.2018 - 12:34 am
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This was the first ever Cup race I attended, after going to a few
Xfinity races in the years before. I won a pair of 3rd-row tickets with
my mom in a drawing at a Shriner's Hospital College Football exhibition.
The 5:30 bus ride from Tampa was tiring, but worth it.


  1045.   SweetRich posted:
  02.29.2020 - 5:45 pm
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The commentators for the race were Mike Joy, Larry McReynolds and
Darrell Waltrip. The pit road reporters were Matt Yocum, Chris Neville,
Vince Welch and Jamie Little.


  1046.   Anonymous posted:
  04.21.2020 - 2:11 am
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This Daytona 500 broke the record for most lead lap finishers in a 500
Mile NASCAR race, and tied a Daytona 500 record overall for cars running
lead lap now 2003 that was rain shortened, In terms of full race going
500 miles it beat the 50th Daytona 500 by 1 car in terms of that stat
for a 500 mile NASCAR Race.


  1047.   Jimmie4life posted:
  06.25.2020 - 1:41 pm
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I watched the 2014 and 2015 Daytona 500 on replay recently and noticed
something: The races got noticeably more quiet from 2014 to 2015 for
FOX. It seemed that every time they stopped talking in 2014, there was
always some loud sound playing, but in 2015, it seems like every time
the announcers got quiet, it was super empty and kind of awkward. I
don't know why(maybe a sound change by FOX?), but it was just something
I kind of noticed.


  1048.   Rich posted:
  11.27.2020 - 9:56 am
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Joining the race coverage was Chris Myers in the Hollywood hotel and
Andy Petree as the in-race analyst.


  1049.   DI9_ForLife posted:
  12.09.2020 - 3:45 pm
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An underrated edition of the 500 in my opinion. The race had nearly
everything: long runs, short runs, minimal moments of single file
racing, strategy. But the best part of the race has to be the last 30 or
so laps when they ran 3 wide all the way back to 20th until 3 to go when
the caution came out. The ending was underwhelming, as it ended under
caution due to a 10 car pileup on the backstretch.

The race had kind of an ''old school'' feel to it during the long green
flag runs, as the pack would become more spread out than what we're used
to seeing. Wrecks were few and far between with the biggest one
happening on the last lap when Austin Dillon turned Jeff Gordon coming
off of turn two, causing much of the field to pile in. Joey Logano
ultimately won the race when the caution came out, his first Daytona 500
crown.


  1050.   Rich posted:
  01.12.2021 - 11:48 am
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Chris Myers was the host of the pre-race show. Darrell and Michael
Waltrip as well as Andy Petree were the pre-race show analysts.


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