|| *Comments on the 2015 Goody's Headache Relief Shot 500:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. DB1995 posted: 10.30.2015 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) It's safe to say Joey is on a hot streak. 2. Sarf52 posted: 10.30.2015 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (9) Cup series can barely fill a field at Martinsville. Another strong sign NASCAR will lose any and all national relevance by 2025 3. Chives5150 posted: 10.30.2015 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Row 2 is my favorite row. 4. Pucci Man posted: 10.30.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Was qualifying live on TV or did they decide to tape delay it? 5. DB1995 posted: 10.30.2015 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) tape delayed 6. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.30.2015 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Anyone want to be what lap Harvick will get punted on? 7. 88&4Fan posted: 10.30.2015 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) O/U at 150 seems about right wouldn't you think? 8. We need more Onion posted: 10.30.2015 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All right, the place where a not fully hopeless car can be raced well. Allmendinger - 3rd Mears - 19th Cassill - 27th Great job by all three. Also, two of the BKR drivers are in on time! Good job. Kennedy is hopeless. 9. joey2448 posted: 10.30.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The "Martinsville Master" Jeff Gordon enters what presumably will be his last Cup race at the track he supposedly loves most. Gordon did leave open the possibility of returning to run the odd one-off race after he finishes his full-time driving career after this season. Also, Gordon is only 23 laps away from becoming the all-time laps led leader at Martinsville. Gordon currently stands at 3,744 laps led, behind only Cale Yarborough's track record 3,766. Of course, Yarborough accomplished that in 31 career starts here, while Sunday's race will be Gordon's 46th. 10. Roger posted: 10.30.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @9: Yarborough actually led 3,851 laps here according to NASCAR's records. This site is missing nearly 100 laps which Cale led at M'ville. 11. racefangurl posted: 10.30.2015 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Maybe some of the TEB will run decent. Let's see if the guys mentioned in comment 8, as well as Cole Whitt, Alex Bowman and the like will run decent in the race. I saw Roush was pretty decent at this track last time, except Ricky had an issue of some sort. They all qualified top-25 and other than Ricky, finished decent. 12. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.30.2015 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Again, it won't happen, but wouldn't it be so ironic if after last year when Jeff was the favorite and then had the whole Texas/Phoenix debacle that happened came back this time around having almost sleepwalking into the final 8 and sneaked his way to the championship? I'd love to see what DSFF would say if that took place. 13. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.30.2015 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Everyone has too beat the 22 car. Including the 24. 14. MAR posted: 10.30.2015 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @2 i agree 2020 maybe the cut off date im pretty sue 75% of fans from the 60's,70's,and 80's dont watch the sport fulltime any more and expect a big drop off since Gordon and Stewart are retiring. 15. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.30.2015 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hendrick and Hendrick affiliates (SHR) have won this race all but twice since 2003. 16. RaceFanX posted: 10.30.2015 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) David Gilliland is running a throwback paint scheme this week to honor modified legend Jerry Cook following his selection for the NASCAR Hall of Fame. Gilliland's #38 Ford has been painted to resemble Cook's red #38 modified complete with a new number font. Kasey Kahne crashed in the first round of qualifying and did not make a run in the second round because of it. His #5 Chevy will be a backup car on Sunday. 17. mbenoit posted: 10.30.2015 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano is going to need to be careful if the 20 gets anywhere near him this weekend. You know Kenseth will pay him back at some point during this round of races. 18. The Long Shot posted: 10.31.2015 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Logano is going to need to be careful if the 20 gets anywhere near him this weekend. You know Kenseth will pay him back at some point during this round of races." Bet you any amount of money you want that it doesn't happen. Kenseth's not the type of guy to pull something that petty. 19. JHN#8 posted: 10.31.2015 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (3) (3) I doubt Kenseth will do anything, but he very well is that type of guy. He was doing the same thing to Logano (being way over aggressive), but so many said it's different when Matt does it..People are stupid to think he is anything close to a nice guy. 20. Charters Think About It posted: 10.31.2015 - 9:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) See...with only 43 Cup cars this week, we need to cut the field to 40 and hand out charters so we can have some decent competition again. 21. RaceFanX posted: 10.31.2015 - 9:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think that change is coming but I don't agree with it. Less cars in the race gives off the wrong image, 43 is both traditional and a tribute to King Richard Petty, and I really like colorful one-off entries. Teams at the back can work their way to the front with time, Furniture Row is a good example of that. 22. Anonymous posted: 10.31.2015 - 10:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) When Kenseth drives aggressively, it's always justified or the other driver's fault. I have no idea what it is about Kenseth that makes so many people think he's one of the "good guys", because there are numerous examples throughout his career that prove he's not. 23. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.31.2015 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think that change is coming but I don't agree with it. Less cars in the race gives off the wrong image, 43 is both traditional and a tribute to King Richard Petty, and I really like colorful one-off entries. Teams at the back can work their way to the front with time, Furniture Row is a good example of that." Perfect for modern NASCAR owners. Only Barney Visser and Wood Bros. are not part of the RTA (touch on them in a moment). The RTA want 2 things with Charters: 1. A bigger slice of the pie 2. Reign in NASCAR for the endless amounts of rule changes fans have demanded over the past 10 years. Mostly though it is about the money, the TV money. Which out weighs everything else. Charters worked in CART, until it didn't work. The owners want their own little sandbox and no one else can play in it. Now why are not Barney Visser and the Wood Bros. part of the RTA? I think they know they do not need them. Maybe they see this not working. Hasn't worked so far. Last time RTA wanted more money, Brian France laughed in their face and told them too get out. The Owners are the greedy ones here not Brian France. Brian will want something in return. Do you really expect them too give him something in return? No i don't. BTW the way this is Rob Kaufmans idea. He saved Mikey Waltrips @$$. People say do not trust NASCAR brass, yet you all trust Rob Kaufman? The current system works just fine, everyone else needs too suck it up. 24. Sean posted: 10.31.2015 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I tend to believe there's no such thing as a clean driver as I can think of a case when pretty much every driver (even those who are considered clean) has done something obnoxiously and inexplicably aggressive but in many cases it gets played down due to the driver's off-track demeanor. Kenseth is considered clean because he was Mark Martin's protege and Martin was considered clean, and because Kenseth is so meek and mild-mannered in his interviews. I certainly agree he was not and I think Martin was erroneously considered clean by most fans even though he's punted people before for seemingly no reason (Dick Trickle in the 1992 Bristol night race; Chuck Bown in the 1994 Bristol spring race). Although I don't like intentional wrecking or even the bump-and-run much, I end up in the long run having more respect for drivers who never pretended to be clean than drivers who weren't and pretended to be, since I don't really think ANY were clean (with the possible exception of the Labonte brothers...I think you can make the best case for them, at least among the superstars). Jeff Gordon tried to pretend to be a clean driver even though his driving wasn't very different from Earnhardt and Earnhardt was possibly even Gordon's biggest influence in terms of driving style (albeit more the controlled consistent Earnhardt of the '90s who really didn't intentionally wreck people much but still did a few times a year just so people would remain afraid of him). It didn't work for Gordon because he was under the microscope so much where people would notice every incident. But for drivers like Dale Jarrett, Mark Martin, Matt Kenseth, etc..., who really weren't clean but were mild-mannered enough and not cultural icons so people paid somewhat less attention to them than they did Gordon, I do feel they got an unwarranted reputation as clean because of their mild-mannered personalities, while people blow everything out of proportion for '90s Earnhardt, Rusty, Irvan, and Kyle Busch, who really weren't quite the standouts for aggression in their eras as people now claim. Earnhardt probably did punt more people than any other driver, but on the flip side, when it came to his actual wins, he only made contact to ultimately take the lead in two of his '90s wins (the 1993 Coca-Cola 600 when he pulled a bump and run on Irvan and Bristol in '99). Even his son has won more Cup races due to bump-and-runs, despite many fewer total wins. So no, I don't get where Kenseth gets his reputation from, and I do believe he would try to take out Logano. I mean he went after Brian Vickers when Vickers took him out at Martinsville in 2011 (and ultimately the chase), right? And Vickers was such a nonentity ultimately that one thinks Kenseth could have held the higher ground and not gotten into a scrape with somebody beneath him, but not everybody does so (the Kenseth/Vickers thing kind of reminds me of Geoff Bodine/Jimmy Spencer's brief feud in 1997...Bodine should have been "above" Spencer because of his much greater accomplishments). I guess it really is his mild-mannered personality in interviews and that's all it comes down to. But it should you know come down to who actually causes wrecks on the track? But then again, they pretty much all do (at least the drivers who are competitive), although I admit I am most struggling to come up with a good example of anything more than a bump-and-run from the Labonte brothers. That's why even though I don't think either of them were particularly worthy champions on a statistical basis, I was still happy they got some. 25. Sean posted: 10.31.2015 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't think just removing cars from the field improves the competition level, just the average competitive depth of the field. There may be justification for it if we get to a point where most races are short fields, but it's not quite there yet and the start 'n' park thing has kind of gone away lately so I don't see a great reason to reduce the field yet, although it wouldn't bother me. The 43-car 'tradition' only dates back to 1998, and as late as 1996, the short track races only had 36 starters (and definitely fewer than 43 entrants a lot of times), so it still may be a bit deeper than the mid-'90s was. 26. MAR posted: 10.31.2015 - 11:49 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The charter system is stupid and the owners are beyond greedy i for one think it shouldn't cost 30-40 million to run a full sprint cup season that's ridiculous but who pushed the costs that high the owners trying to out spend each other and gain an advantage on each other. Now the owners want a bigger portion of the pie and want to lock out new owners from joining which is a horrible concept and a stupid idea. But NASCAR deserves blame for not policing the big teams and watching how much they spend it's almost hopeless for Bk racing, Premium Motor sports, TBR, circle sport and Etc to compete competitively they basically have there own race for 30th. I said for a while NASCAR needs to put a cap on how much teams can spent yearly to compete that number should be around 20-25 million no more than that. Also the idea of running the little guy out of business is terrible NASCAR should be free will to let anyone with equipment show up and race they need to develop new team owners to join cup not lock them out. But wait you can't develop new owners no more that's what the xfinity series was designed for to develop new owners and young drivers and NASCAR let the big cup owners go down there and run former quality xfinity owners out of business so now you can't develop new owners so now we're just gonna lock the door on them and cut field sizes seriously how does that make sense. 27. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.31.2015 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not really a fan, but I'll be pulling for Logano to win. It would be cool to see someone join the 4 consecutive wins club (Gordon, Elliott, Johnson, Gant, Earnhardt, Martin, and I forget the last one). 28. Sean posted: 10.31.2015 - 12:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two more in the modern era. Yarborough and Waltrip did it before Earnhardt. Prior to the modern era, Petty won 10 races in a row once (1967) and Petty and Allison won 5 races in a row (both in 1971), and Billy Wade won four in a row (1964). I believe David Pearson and Fred Lorenzen both won 5 consecutive races as well (but they weren't consecutive on the schedule, since they were only/primarily running superspeedway races, while there were other short track races in between.) 29. racefangurl posted: 10.31.2015 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 22, Kenseth is quiet and rather shy, so he seems bland, especially with his accent. Even with his dry sense of humor added in (thus the bland part is reduced, if not eliminated, he still has that good guy image. He's also one of the religious guys. Maybe people judge him too much by his mild-mannered ways outside the car. 30. racefangurl posted: 10.31.2015 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 27, I think it might be the King. Elsewhere, there was a comment saying the King won 4 in a row. 31. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.31.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MAR it doesn't work that way. NASCAR can say "stop spending money" but teams will do it anyway. NASCAR can do things here and there but in the grand scheme of things it does't amount more then a drop in the bucket. The RTA wants more TV money. Tracks get most of it, then teams, then NASCAR. The teams want more....... greed. The teams aren't hurting for money. 32. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.31.2015 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In regards to the charters stuff, I wouldn't mind going back to pre 1998 where anywhere from 35-50 cars could race. 33. mbenoit posted: 10.31.2015 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who knows. You've got to remember that this new Chase format has put a lot of pressure and frustration on the drivers, and last year we saw a lot of intense driver-to-driver confrontation based on things that weren't even intentional. I mean, Kenseth physically grabbed Brad Keselowski and tried to put him in a headlock at Charlotte for something far less disappointing than getting intentionally spun out while leading a race. If you don't think he'd wreck Logano as payback, I say he's definitely more than capable of doing that, esp. considering he's getting older, and the chances to win another championship aren't that many for Kenseth, compared to Logano's many years ahead of him. I don't think Joe Gibbs would mind him paying Logano back, either, based on the comments he made after Kansas. I don't know if it'll happen this weekend, or the next, but Kenseth has definitely shown the ability to be very confrontational if he feels it's warranted. Also, just to be fair, I don't want Logano to win the championship (though he deserves it with the run the team is putting together right now), so I wouldn't mind seeing it happen. 34. Eric posted: 10.31.2015 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, there is one thing you forgot at Matt Kenseth. When Matt was racing the short tracks in Wisconsin, he was called Matt the brat. It is a well known nickname that Dale Jr. even knows about. Dale Jr. claimed that some of Matt's early competitors definitely have a good sense of Matt having a side that Joey is now seeing. Matt Kenseth was called Matt the brat in Wisconsin for the reason Dale Jr. gave. Dale said 'He has got a fiery temper and (he's) definitely the kind of guy that's going to stand up for himself and not let anybody really push him around if he feels wronged.' That means the behavior Matt is doing to Joey is something that people is the early days of Matt's career knew about. 35. racefangurl posted: 10.31.2015 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 33, I learned last year to not want a deserving driver to win doesn't go over too well on these boards. I had some nutty views on the Nationwide/Xfinity championship. But then, you acknowledge his worthiness and I just had this hateful attitude, so you might be ok, unlike 2014 me. 36. Sean posted: 10.31.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, I haven't forgotten that most of us (who weren't Wisconsin short track fans like you Eric) first noticed Kenseth in a big way when he won the spring Busch race at Rockingham in 1998 after pulling a bump-and-run on Tony Stewart on the last lap. If he is willing to mess around with a driver as aggressive as Stewart (or Gordon or Logano later) it's clear he's nowhere near as conservative as drivers like the Labonte brothers, Jeff Burton, Kasey Kahne, and so on... Which no doubt is why he's had a greatly superior career than any of them, and really in my mind isn't that far off from Stewart either. 37. racefangurl posted: 10.31.2015 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) There was a time I didn't understand Matt the Brat. Now I know how that nickname came about. He just never seemed bratty to me, until he became whiny. 38. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.31.2015 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Very few drivers can be completely "clean" and rise to stardom. The Labonte's and to a lesser extent Burton are the only exceptions. Earnhardt was notorious for being aggressive and being a huge Gordon fan, Jeff is not the clean driver that everyone makes him out to be. Irvan, Wallace, Kyle Busch among others are also known for aggressive driving but at the same time for being some of the "purest" talents in NASCAR. Martin, Kenseth, Dale Jr., and Jarrett are usually considered clean due to their mild manners but they've also had past instances and controversies as well. Harvick, Logano and Kurt Busch have a lot of turmoil as well. So anyways, of the drivers mentioned that aren't "clean," where are they now? Being VERY successful. 7 of the 12 drivers I've listed have won titles and 3 of the drivers that haven't could win them down the road, and all of those mentioned have combined to win. ~475 races. While the Labonte's still won 3 titles as the exception, let's look at someone like Kahne. Kahne has usually been known to be a clean racer, but where has that gotten him? Nowhere. By not showing aggression on the track, the other drivers think that they can get away with anything because they never do anything about it (Kyle Busch comes to mind), and I think Kahne's career at Hendrick has crumpled because of the (lack of) aggression he shows on track. Almost all drivers would not be as successful as they are if they didn't use their bumper. But that's what it usually takes to become a legend. 39. 88&4Fan posted: 10.31.2015 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Even his son has won more Cup races due to bump-and-runs, despite many fewer total wins." Martinsville last year, and... when else? Seriously, I'm really curious about this, that's the only one I can remember. 40. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 10.31.2015 - 9:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm making the trip from Knoxville up to Martinsville tomorrow. The weather doesn't look good, but I have never been to the track before and it's on my bucket list. Weather and time permitting, I'm hoping to drive back home through North Carolina and stop by North Wilkesboro on Monday. 41. MAR posted: 10.31.2015 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There is no such thing as a clean race car driver I'm a 100% sure if Terry Labonte had one more shot at Earnhardt at Bristol he would take him out as payback. 42. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.31.2015 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also is there any way to search drivers by their hometowns? I've always wondered if any driver lived in my local area. 43. Sean posted: 10.31.2015 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Martinsville last year, and... when else? Seriously, I'm really curious about this, that's the only one I can remember." Phoenix 2003 (on Johnson), Bristol 2004 (on Burton), and Phoenix 2004 (on Gordon). When compiling those Racermetrics columns ("How the Races Were Won"), I looked very carefully at the video footage to attempt to distinguish between which passes were bump-and-run passes and which were merely taking the air off the leader's spoiler, which is not always so clear from the video footage. I was surprised myself that Junior had 4 to Senior's 2 from 1990-present. Even Jeff Burton had one on Mike Skinner at Loudon in 1998... 44. murb posted: 10.31.2015 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also is there any way to search drivers by their hometowns? I've always wondered if any driver lived in my local area." If you go down to the bottom, there's a "Drivers by State" option under "People". That's the closest you'll get. 45. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.31.2015 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you go down to the bottom, there's a "Drivers by State" option under "People." That's the closest you'll get." Thanks! I actually found two! 46. Sean posted: 10.31.2015 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, I've got to say Junior's Bristol pass and both Phoenix passes are *really* subtle and you have to replay them a bunch of times to decide, but I would consider them all to be bump-and-run passes. Still, besides Charlotte 1993 and Bristol 1999, Earnhardt Sr. didn't have any controversy in ANY of his terminal lead changes from 1990 on that I can see (honorable mention for Rockingham 1996 where he did wreck Bobby Hamilton for the lead but passed Dale Jarrett later in the race clean, which was the deciding lead change.) 47. Big Mac Fan posted: 10.31.2015 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm hoping to drive back home through North Carolina and stop by Noth Wilkesboro on Monday." If only we could stop there for a race...it's still sad to see that great track just rotting away. 48. racefangurl posted: 10.31.2015 - 11:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 45, I found some drivers from my area, too. There's a guy just a little younger than me from a village in the town I live in. He ran in some Pro-Cup races. There's a guy from a town in my home county than ran in a couple 4th-tier NASCAR Adirondack International Speedway races. The surrounding counties have produced plenty of drivers. Greg Zipadelli's wife is from a city in the next county from me and she was in the Better Half Dash a few years ago. Said city has produced three regular drivers, in addition. Matt Puccia, a crew chief is from the same place as Mrs. Zipadelli, btw. 49. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR can say "stop spending money" but teams will still do it anyway." This is also true for everything else as well. For example, NASCAR can tell teams not to cheat, er, find "advantages", but teams will still do it because they want to do anything they can to be in victory lane. 50. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why? Gordon swept Martinsville in 2005, which was statistically his worst season ever." No it wasn't. He won four races. Yes, the #24 badly missed the setup on a lot of impound races causing them to miss the chase and him to (slightly) get his lowest average finish ever. I'll grant it was his least consistent season ever, and the moment I stopped really viewing him as a perennial championship threat, but he won enough and was dominant enough that it still counts as part of the tail end of his prime. I'd point to either his rookie season or this year as his worst, leaning towards this year (fewest top fives by far, fewer laps led than his rookie season despite more starts). Admittedly, this is probably the worst season for Hendrick in general since 2000 (outside the plate tracks, they seem really lost, which seems very odd considering Stewart-Haas/Harvick being able to dominate almost everywhere, but whatever) so that's part of it, but I just don't see Gordon having the speed to not go winless this year. I *could* see him sneaking in like Ryan Newman did last year though, and would not be all that surprised. 51. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Gordon has a great chance tomorrow. Why? Gordon swept Martinsville in 2005, which was statistically his worst season ever. I know that was 10 years ago, but Hendrick is still dominant there and he has won the Fall race for the last two years in a row. Wishful thinking. 52. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My bad, Gordon did not win the 2014 Martinsville Fall race, but he finished 2nd and led 120 laps so he still has it when it comes to these tracks. 53. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The (active) drivers who are closest to my hometown are Ryan Ellis and Adam Edwards. Thats actually a pretty cool feature, thanks murb. 54. Driver X posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 48, the closest drivers to my area are Cody Coughlin, Matt Tifft, and Jimmy Weller III. My area isn't really known for producing NASCAR talent. Tim Richmond was about 90 minutes from where I live, but that's a bit of a stretch. 55. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain may or may not be a problem today I believe if we can get the track dry there's plenty of time To do so and the rain should stop very soon. The window should be large enough to get the race in If it is delayed There's always the Mexican Grand Prix As well as football of course. 56. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Currently it is raining, but it seems like it will stop soon. 57. Eric B. posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Active drivers who are closest to my area is Jeremy Clements and Jordan Anderson 58. John Royal posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Closest active driver for me is Austin Theriault, and even he is almost 3700 miles away. 59. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) okay guys and girls, were gonna have a good day at martinsville, umm..kyle busch will get the clock, umm.. i know we are battling weather but it should pass through for the race to start under little delay, might hit us again by 3:00, but only a little bit, lets have a good, fast, exiting day, and as always vrroommm out 60. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The closet driver to me is the driver in charlotte, at this given moment probably michael mcdowell, but i live in syracuse 61. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Closest active driver to me is Travis Pastrana, but I already knew that. I've even driven past his house a few times. Not much NASCAR talent to brag about here in Maryland. 62. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The most notable drivers of any discipline to come out of our area are Rick and Roger Mears. 63. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 12:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ron Fellows Mississauga and Paul Tracy West Hill would be nearest for me about a half hour drive from Markham. My town is most noted for its NHL players most notably Steve Stamkos of the Tampa Bay Lightning. 64. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 12:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nearest active drivers to where I live would be Jeremy Clements and Jordan Anderson. 65. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The active drivers closest to me are Jason Hart and Kevin Rutherford. 66. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The nearest active driver to me is get your bucket...Donny Lia. 67. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) david, u live near rick mears 68. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Ok, the rain has stopped, the track is drying! Who's ready for SHORT TRACK RACING? 69. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green/yellow start. Free bonus point for JoLo. 70. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So we're going to have a green/yellow start because of the rain. 71. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like this race is going to start under the caution flag. 72. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Paul White, who drove in 6 races for ThorSport in 2004, is from my current town. Trey Allen, who DNQ'd in his only ASA National Tour attempt at IRP in 2004, is apparently just down the road from my house. Bill Meazel, who raced in 1 Cup race back in 1979, is from the town where I'm going to college right now. Sadly, he died in a plane crash in 2003. There were countless others from the Austin area, but I didn't want to list all of them. lol 73. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) When was the last time we started under a green/yellow? 74. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @73 The last time I think was the 2005 Pepsi 400. 75. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "There were countless others from the Austin area, but I didn't want to list them all. lol" lol, same. Living in the Dallas-Fort Worth area I could list hundreds. 76. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ The spring Texas race last year 77. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There was the Richmond race a few years ago that started green yellow and kept raining and I think someone spun out on under yellow because of the rain. 78. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going green finally after about 10 laps under the yellow at the start. 79. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex to the lead. 80. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex takes the lead. 81. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green! Truex takes the lead. 82. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch gets shuffled to the outside and begins to drop back in the field. 83. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger to second. 84. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag! To the closest driver question, I live about 30 miles away from Sam Hornish Jr. I hear he is a bit of an a-hole. 85. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) its officially green lap 18, lap 10 of green 78 is leading 86. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Surprising start for A.J. 87. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Best. Top 2. Ever. 88. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) A.J Allmendinger is fighting for the lead. This allows Logano to close. 89. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger all over Truex for the lead. 90. 02Justin10 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would use the drivers by state option to look up my closest drivers BUT I don't want to lose Ward Burton as my closest driver (he still is my favorite Cup driver ever.) And I know if I look this up, Eliott Sadler from 20 miles away will end up being my closest. *sigh.* But I'll give it a go. 91. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoa, AJ going for the lead. You're not supposed to race the exalted Chasers! 92. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) come on dinger 93. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Wow, when's the last time two single-car teams battled for the lead legitimately (not due to pit strategy) in a race? And both of them passing the dominant driver of the day on track? A nice surprise I daresay. 94. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @92 Your blank message is so long I thought my screen crashed. 95. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano closing in on Allmendinger for 2nd. 96. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I seriously thought #92 was a completely blank message at first... 97. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger drops 3 spots. 98. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger falls back to 5th, as McMurray and Gordon pass him. 99. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano retakes the lead. 100. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Aside from State Water Heaters, Kurt's first race with a sponsor since 2011! 101. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano reclaims the lead. 102. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch is really fast so far, started 15th and is up in the top 5 already. 103. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to 2nd. 104. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition caution on lap 50. But this one is merited... 105. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Boo. I really don't want Logano to win AGAIN. Why can't we have someone new? 106. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano to the lead. Gordon follows him for 2nd. 107. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) GORDON to the lead!! 108. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to the lead! 109. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon leads! OMG! Rigged! /tin-foil-hat-troll 110. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 45 laps in and Gordon takes the lead for the first time today. Crazy to believe he's led less laps this year than his '93 rookie season, but with the way he's running so far, there's a good chance he'll surpass that number today. 111. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Bayne train goes a lap down. 112. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon takes the lead. Wait a minute. "Two Poles and 1 win left for Gordon". That was posted in March. Since, he has got 2 poles. If he gets that 1 win... He might be right... 113. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition yellow. 114. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The competition caution flies. 115. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition caution. Loving the top 3 right now. 116. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Preece is the lucky dog. Bayne still stuck 1 lap down. 117. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano wins the race off pit road. 118. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Get rid of Logano, and this is an awesome top 5. 24, 78, 1, 41. 119. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano beats Gordon out of the pits. 120. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fun fact: If Gordon takes the checkered flag today, he will have gone his entire career without ever having earned a DNF at Martinsville. 121. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Typical Gordon restart. 122. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin got a speeding penalty. Kurt Busch all over Logano for the lead. 123. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ku Busch to the lead. Lots of lead changes so far. 124. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch to the lead. This race has been great so far. 125. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Sandman is already up in the top 5. 126. 02Justin10 posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 25th place is already 10 seconds behind, the leaders are sure moving fast today! 127. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like Ryan Preece 128. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good news: Smoke has gained 22 spots. Bad news: He's still out of the top 20. 129. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What the hell happened to menard since the chase started. 130. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What the hell happened to menard since the chase started" Nothing. He's still in his daily running position of 11th-30th. 131. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bayne is already 3 laps down in 43rd. Waiting for our weekly racefangurl excuse for his performance... Logano recaptures the lead. 132. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Bayne is already 3 laps down in 43rd." Dead Last??? That's completely embarrassing. That team should be ashamed of themselves. 133. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex and Busch are falling back. 134. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 100 laps in and surprisingly, no on-track incidents thus far. More than a little unusual for Martinsville... 135. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Micheal Annet spins in turn 2. 136. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @134 You jinxed it. 137. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jinxed it, Annett stops on the track for the 2nd caution 138. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, never mind. Annett stopped on the track and brings out caution #3. Ryan Preece gets a lap back for the second time today. 139. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Annett went spinning in turn 2 off the bumper or Matt DiBenedetto. 140. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't believe Bayne is doing that bad. I know Roush historically has been bad here but just damn... 141. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano with the first pit stall wins the race off again because of it. 142. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No lucky dog because Annett was in the position but he was the caution. 143. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Never mind. Annett was apparently the first car a lap down, and since he spun and brought out the yellow, nobody gets a lap back. 144. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bayne had a vibration and made an unscheduled pit stop, according to @RFR6PR's twitter. 145. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is preece in a premium car or a TBR car? 146. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Hamlin spins. Can't he ever catch a break? Rain is also in the vicinity. 147. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's your answer (in 144), 140 and it happened on lap 79. 148. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wreck! Spin with the 9, 10, 11, 16, 17, and 43. 149. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biff's car doesn't look too good. 150. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Joey Myers can predict the future. 151. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alan Gustafson says rain is 25 minutes away: Look for no rain to show up. Big mess! 152. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Multi-car crash in turns 3/4. Almirola, Hamlin, Biffle, and Danica are caught up. Rain is apparently less than half-an-hour from the track. Could be a short race today... 153. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Neudorff '@NASCAR_WXMAN 26s seconds ago Here's what the radar shows - drizzle: light rain close to the track. We are right on the edge. 154. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Alan Gustafson says rain is 25 minutes away. Look for no rain to show up." You were half right. Rain may show up now. 155. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr. making 3 wide. 156. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From the futurecast I just looked at, it seems like the rain is moving northeast but just staying south of the VA/NC border. 157. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr. makes it three-wide going into turn 3. 158. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse is 5 laps down, Moffitt is 17 behind, and Timmy Hill is 33 laps in arrears in last place. 159. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I love Eddie D'Hondts' voice. Stenhouse slams into the wall. 160. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ricky Stenhouse Jr wrecks, bringing the caution out again. Cautions breed cautions... 161. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forget the rain, nightfall might happen first with all these cautions. 162. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Wrecky returns after a good stretch of races by Ricky. 163. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse hits the wall hard and brings out caution #5. He's made heavy contact with the wall in both Martinsville races this year. 164. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Wrecky. 165. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Neudorff '@NASCAR_WXMAN 2m minutes ago Professional opinion - odds of getting wet here in the next 20 min @MartinsvilleSwy is around 30% (can't rule them out) Will cont. to watch 166. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson and Junior are the only two among the top 10 to pit. 167. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) NR2003 is still light years better than any of the new NASCAR games that come out. 168. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wrecky is back because Roush is bad at this track. At least that could be a factor. 169. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meiers 2-2 with cautions as Hornish spins. 170. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yet another wreck. Sam Hornish Jr crashes. 4th caution in 35 laps. This race is getting crazy. 171. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish hops the curb. 172. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really hope they can get the whole race in today. 173. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NR2003 is still light years better than any of the new NASCAR games that come out." Sierra/Papyrus NASCAR games > anything else since then. Sam Hornish spins in turns 3 and 4 and brings out ANOTHER caution. Now they're starting to pile up... 174. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Preece involved as well. 175. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was a brand new racing line Preece tried to use there. 176. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Preece goes all out in that corner spinning Hornish. 177. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Preece was all the way below the curb on the entrance to pit road there. Surprised he didn't clobber the hell out of the pit wall. 178. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC. King of the Akward Cut-Away. 179. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was a report? Can't wait for the "report" on the 18 from the red M. 180. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully the cautions will keep breeding and the rain will come before halfway making NASCAR postpone the rest of it until later today or tomorrow or something, just anything so that we get a full race in. 181. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder what Joey Logano haters from 09-12 have to say now. 182. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch is reporting steering issues. 183. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) What a day for racing on TV. Right now we've got NASCAR on NBC, F1's Mexican Grand Prix on NBC, and CBS Sports finally airing the rebroadcast of the Bathurst 1000. 184. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Patrick hits the wall, now Biffle spins. Same cars every caution. 185. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica slows and Biffle spins. 186. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica just went into the 1st row and continues on. Biff around again. 187. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick has been in the wall, and Biffle spins off turn 2 and brings out caution #7. 188. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution saves Danica. Did the 9 and 16 touch? 189. Christian posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) So only the guys with no chance of winning have wrecked today. How f**king typical. 190. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's the record for cautions at Martinsville? We're barely a quarter of a way through. 191. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Gilliland, and his retro #38, got into Danica Patrick with Patrick ending up in the wall afterward because of it. 192. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @190 At least 25+ 193. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Same cars every caution." Sometimes on these short tracks I wish NASCAR had the "3 strikes rule" many local short tracks do: you are involved in 3 on-track incidents, you get parked for the rest of the race... 194. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What's the record for cautions at Martinsville? We're barely a quarter of a way through." 21, back in...2007, I believe? 195. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Tough day for Roush. 196. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Sometimes on these short tracks I wish NASCAR had the "3 strikes rule" many local short tracks do: you are involved in 3 on-track incidents, you get parked for the rest of the race..." *cough* Brian Vickers... *cough* 197. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon loses a spot on pit road thanks to Kenseth pitting half out of his box every time, forcing Gordon to go around him. 198. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wonder if that may have been some long overdue payback from Gilly? BTW I love his paint scheme. 199. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "At least 25+" That would be the record for the number of cautions in the Xfinity Series... Dillon and Menard stayed out under this caution. 200. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @190, also only once since 2000 has there been a race with cautions in the single digits. 201. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon uses pit strategy to take the lead. 202. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At this point we're DEFINITELY not making it to halfway before the rain comes (IF it comes). 203. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt had a fire in his pit stall during the last round of pit stops. 204. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle just loses it on the last caution. Hornish didn't get into him. 205. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good thing that the last guy to notice the fire near the 41 car was the guy holding the extinguisher. (smh) 206. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Kurt Busch's gas man must be invincible. He walked through fire and came out unscathed. (Seriously glad he was okay after a small fire erupted in the pit box) 207. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle and Dillon spin in turn 2. 208. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution AGAIN as Kyle Busch and Dillon loop it around in turn 2. 209. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Edwards has massive hood damage from running into A.J. 210. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) no not kyle ;(:( 211. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rowdy & The Impersonator spin. Edwards with big damage! 212. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JGR is falling apart 213. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Edwards has the whole nose stoved in on his car. 214. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jesus these stack-ups. 215. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How's the racing been today? 216. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Casey Mears is running great today. 217. Christian posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @215 22 with the golden horseshoe as usual. 218. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @215 Decent. Enjoyable so far. 219. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle is blaming water on the apron, I think he just curb-hopped the middle of the corner and got loose. 220. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I might be the only Kyle Busch fan hoping he doesn't win the title. 221. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @215 Good, but a lot of cautions as well. 222. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @218 cool,cool. Can't watch the race. We don't have NBCSN 223. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's water. 224. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @217 really give logano credit. 225. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Only Busch hit the water. 226. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Clean first 100 laps followed by a chaotic second 100 laps in which we can barely run more than 5 laps without somebody crashing. Pretty typical Martinsville race thus far! 227. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "water" I should have put. 228. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) What a shock, Cryle blames everything but himself. 229. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @228 Normally I'd agree, but not here. It's about to rain so at least the reason is somewhat valid. 230. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica has joined her boyfriend in the garage are; they are currently the only two cars not on the track right now. 231. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why do all the drivers I like have godawful pit crews? 232. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clint Bowyer now back ends into the wall, turn 4. 233. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey again with shenanigans on a restart. IAS strikes! 234. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Vickerism in the 55. 235. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THAT WAS NOT GOING TO WORK RAGAN LOLOLOL 236. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The crashes keep racking up. Clint Bowyer wrecks. That's the eighth caution, and we're not even halfway! Let's hope we can beat the rain. 237. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The Maxwell House Coffee car is wrecked at Martinsville. I'm having Sterling Marlin flashbacks to that old #22 Ford. Maxwell House has such a great paint scheme, I hope they find a new team next year after MWR closes. 238. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clint Bowyer goes around in turn 3 and backs it into the outside wall hard. 9th caution already. The Martinsville caution record already looks like it may be in danger of falling today... 239. JL2219 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Why do all the drivers I like have godawful pit crews?" Another poor you moment. Clint Bowyer goes for a loop! 240. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clint now has a hatchback. 55 pushed the 42 into the 15. That car needs work done just to get fuel into it. 241. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eighth caution, really it feels like there have been a lot more than that. 242. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Eighth caution" Ninth, actually. The green/yellow start also counts as a caution. 243. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I love the wrecks old school short track racing 244. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rain, rain go away 245. HouseOfPenske posted: 11.01.2015 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Harvick the master manipulator is up to 2nd 246. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Bowman is in 15th at the moment... that is quite a pleasant surprise. 247. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's raindrops on some of the camera lens. Ryan Newman gives Kurt Busch the chrome horn. Kurt doesn't wreck but Newman slips by. 248. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica and Stenhouse have both rejoined the race (25 and 67 laps down, respectively). Currently Bowyer is the only car off the track. 249. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Timmy Hill is in 42nd between Danica Patrick and Ricky Stenhouse. It's probably more fun to be between those two on a Saturday night instead of a Sunday afternoon. 250. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey pulls to the inside down the backstretch and lets Harvick pass him for the lead. 251. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Harvick leads! *puts up garbage shield from Harvick haters* 252. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 200 laps down, 300 to go. 253. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know this isn't truckk series but what do you guys think about Richmond possibly being on the truck schedule next year? 254. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer is apparently done for the day, the ticker just listed the #15 as being retired from the race. 255. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I know this isn't truckk series but what do you guys think about Richmond possibly being on the truck schedule next year?" I remember when it was on the Truck schedule. That was what...a decade ago, I think? 256. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) A bad year for Bowyer gets worse, let's hope he never has another itchy arm again . 257. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @255 Yes. Tony Stewart won his only truck series win there in 03 258. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Richmond should of never lost a truck race 259. 02Justin10 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Tony Stewart missed the show for the 2005 Richmond Truck race. 260. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 181, probably nothing. "I see all that talk about Chase being overrated has been silenced....all I hear is crickets in here about right now...." Last fall, the Chase hate talk on his page stopped in October and someone with the username Todd referred to that in a comment. That's what haters do when proven wrong. There was a comment elsewhere online about Jr. haters. "Why do I hear crickets? Oh, that's because the haters have started to shut up.". Not sure if I stared the 2nd part of Jr. hater comment right, but these situations indicate what disproven haters do. 261. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race has definitely calmed down. 262. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, how y'all think Cody Coughlin, William Byron, and Christopher Bell will do with Kyle Busch Motorsports next year? 263. 02Justin10 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with MAR in that Richmond should have never been taken off the truck series calendar. Although I would be glad to see Richmond rejoin, I would like to see another couple standalone races. 264. DP107 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica has remerged in the top 40! 265. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally getting a decent green flag run after having 7 cautions in pretty quick succession. Edwards is about to get lapped; looking likely right now that he'll fall short of the cut for the final round. Keselowski is the man on the move on this run. Up to 2nd. 266. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would love to see the Truck Series at Circut Of The Americas. 267. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hat trick for Biffle as he spins. 268. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Biffle spins out for a THIRD time. If this were a local short track, they'd be parking him right now... 269. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So close, just 13 laps from halfway. 270. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad in the lead! 271. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Butch Leitzinger in 33rd! 272. 02Justin10 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From here on, with the light mist/light showery condition at Martinsville (and here where I live 4 counties east of the track (120 miles away.) Any race call could be big. 273. HouseOfPenske posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The Roush cars should be black flagged to the gage for the rest of the race. 274. DARoot posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's the chances of rain? 275. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bell will do good next year I'm not high on either Byron or Coughlin. 276. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I waiting to see a massive wreck happen at the end of pit-road when they are playing their games. 277. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Brian Neudorff '@NASCAR_WXMAN 6m minutes ago Another look at radar - cont. to walk a fine line with rain drops but so far our window remains open #NASCAR 278. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon back to 10th. 279. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Neudorff '@NASCAR_WXMAN 2m minutes ago While drops may fall I feel we stay mostly dry. Should get past halfway & could see full distance #BeingPositive 280. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Halfway. 281. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) HALFWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 282. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kenseth is up to third and closing in on Logano. Will we see some revenge here in a moment? 283. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Past halfway now. 284. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth moves the #22 up the track. 285. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kenseth MOVES Lolgano out of the way for second. 286. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Top 5 is bad. 2, 20, 22, 4, 48. 287. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth bumps JoLo, but it was quite light for a short track. 288. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Kenseth runs his mouth for weeks about Logano, then proceeds to only love-tap him out of the way when he get's a chance for revenge. 289. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's Kenseth, what are you guys expecting? Kenseth doesn't have much of a "anger" side. 290. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson is now falling back. 291. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano dropping back now. MacMary in the topo five which means his engine or tire may blow at any moment. 292. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does Jeff really expect Jimmie to be a good team-mate/psuedo employee and help him this race/round? 293. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle spins again for the 4th time. 294. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright Biff, just give it up. 295. murb posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Greg "2006 David Ragan" Biffle. 296. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle around AGAIN. 297. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle spins a FOURTH time. Having a very Brian Vickers 2011 kind of race today... 298. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Greg Vickers at it again! 299. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does Jeff really expect Jimmie to be a good team-mate/psuedo employee and help him this race/round? I'm surprised it took Jeff 14 years to realize that Dos Jotas/Chad aren't helping him with squat. 300. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Make like a tree and leave, Biff. 301. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That car is the definition of "used up". 302. that e-guy posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Didn't realize Vickers was driving the 16 today. 303. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BK racing is quiet. But I guess we have Biffle. 304. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Greg Vickers 305. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm honestly surprised the #16 is only one lap down after all the problems Greg has had today... Logano reclaims the lead again out of the pits, and Kyle Busch moves into the top 5. 306. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) They say "scan all 43" yet the only drivers they focus on are chase drivers. 307. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Biffle is the highest running Roush car. Wow. 308. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) As we reach the end of the Mexican Grand Prix please no spoilers. I won't see the race until tomorrow if I'm lucky. 309. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chase drivers running 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. Dang 310. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "As we reach the end of the Mexican Grand Prix please no spoilers. I won't see the race until tomorrow if I'm lucky." SPOILER ALERT: A human being won. 311. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Add 7th 8th to that as well. 312. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Greg continues on still, now 2 laps down. How many more times will the #16 loop it around today? 313. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 310- Really, that specific? I was going to say a Formula 1 driver won. 314. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hahahaha 315. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd love to see Jamie win this race 316. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Considering we are now 300 laps into the race and the rain has yet to strike the track, I think there's a very good chance we will see all 500 laps today. 317. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know 31st isn't great but I like what I see from Preece. 318. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The two remaining Gibbs drivers are the only remaining Chase drivers to not lead a lap today. Kyle Busch is continuing to complain about water on the track apron. 319. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I know 31st isn't great but I like what I see from Preece." You probably shouldn't have mentioned him, because now he's gone to the garage. 320. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Why are spanish commercials playing? 321. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 317- you jinxed it, Preece just went to the garage. 322. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Que habla Ingles? 323. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of rain-shortened races...correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's only been ONE at Martinsville in the past quarter of a century: the '95 spring race. 324. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 304, I prefer to call him Brian Biffle. BB. It really kind of fits, IMO 325. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Que habla Ingles?" Oui, je comprends l'anglais et le francais. Et vous? 326. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How is Edwards even still on the lead lap with all that damage... 327. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Longest green flag run of the day so far. 328. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin sure has come back from his damage. 329. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) The TEB has had representation in the top-30. 330. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bayne has been moved up the track and into the wall by Truex. 331. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I covered my ears I did not hear a word he said Thank goodness I was afraid he was going to say something. 332. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Canadianfan, they just spoiled who won the Mexican Grand Prix for you... Hamlin is the man on the move on this run. Up to fourth. 333. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Letarte: Brad's gonna have a tough time getting by these cars like the 51 that's still on the lead lap... 51 moves over immediately. 334. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Stewart in 8th? HUUUUUHHH!? 335. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Keselowski is 7 seconds ahead of everyone else. If this race goes green much longer, he could lap up into the top 10. 336. Canadianfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I swear I didn't hear it I covered my ears I started singing some stupid song. 337. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So I've narrowed the candidates of the #9 to in this order. 1. Brian Scott 2. Regan Smith 3. Landon Cassill 4. Cole Whitt 5. Sam Hornish Scott has the advantage cause of the sponsor. 338. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Third place is HALF A LAP DOWN. Damn, Keselowski is on fire right now... Why do I get the feeling we'll see our next yellow during a cycle of green flag pit stops...? 339. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tony Stewart sighting 340. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm back. I still see that Roush is absolutely horrid at this track. 341. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Expect Christian to chime in about Penske running 1-2. 342. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for rain? 343. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yellow flag. Jacques, is that you? 344. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Brad Keselowski's 7 second lead. 345. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nope Kyle Fowler hits the wall. Very lightly. 346. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This green flag run may let the race end before darkness, especially with the overcast sky. Thankfully next years Martinsville fall race will be before Daylight Savings ends. Nope, caution for Fowler running the high line. 347. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nevermind, Fowler slightly hit the wall, could have gotten way with it, but oh well. 348. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, the caution is for Kyle Fowler smacking the wall. Keselowski has such a huge lead that there's no way he loses the lead on pit road barring a catastrophic mistake by him or his crew... 349. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Almost as lame as phoenix a couple years ago when the yellow came out for Nemechek running a lane up from the apron. 350. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Keselowski being too far ahead. 351. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And for the comments up above, it was a terrible move to get rid of Richmond in the Truck Series. That series has all of its roots in short tracks, why they got rid of it is beyond me. 352. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski had nearly a half-lap lead on Logano. Had this race stayed green to the end, he MIGHT have been able to lap the field! 353. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fowler goes to the garage. 354. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To me it looks like Keselowski jumped, but that's just me. 355. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano and Keselowski swap the lead after the restart. 356. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) about 100 to go rain is close 357. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) McMurray and Busch pass Hamlin. 358. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Penske cars driving away. 359. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick has caught the Penske posse. 360. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah Mears! 361. 02Justin10 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) (In response to Big Mac Fan/Post #351) I read an article this week describing the state of the truck series and what Kyle Busch had to say about it, and Kyle basically said that the truck series should run more short track races in Virginia/North Carolina and do them as one day shows to save the teams money. He mentioned several venues, noted Rockingham and even said that a place like North Wilksboro would be a great venue if it were to reopen. Both Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski downplayed the idea of a spec engine because the manufacturers would not be happy about that. 362. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As much as I don't like the top 3. I'd actually take Harvick. 363. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Keselowski loses the lead to Logano and drops to third as he is reporting brake problems. 364. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick takes 2nd and McMurray reaches the top 5 again. 365. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 2 guys I would prefer are coming however. Gordon and McMurray. 366. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ragan in the top ten. This could be his third consecutive top ten at Martinsville. 367. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ragan up to 8th and looking like he'll score top 10s in both Martinsville races this year. 368. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica spins. 369. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Even after last week I'll still take Harvick any day over Lolgano. 370. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica spins again and rams Gilliland. 371. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Danica Patrick with the petty move on Gilliland. 372. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Danicrash again... 373. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) lol Danica. 374. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution comes out for a 13th time due to a crash in turn 4 by Danica. And now she attempts retaliation on the #38...and probably ends her day in the process. 375. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Wow Danica calm down b***h 376. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica tries to take revenge, but fails. 377. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's a pretty decent shove from Gilliland. 378. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica really sucks at payback. 379. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Epic fail by Danica trying to wreck Gilliland and she spins herself out. Then she races Gilliland only causing her car to get even more damage. That was embarrassing. 380. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently she wrecked herself trying to dump Gilliland and promptly smacked him again as she pulled down the track. I can only imagine what she's gonna have to say about the #38 if she gets interviewed... 381. Mamorese posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) how is that not a penalty for aggressive driving? I guess it doesn't really matter considering she had to go to the garage anyways 382. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BK and Harvick about caused a 10 car pileup. Thank you double file restarts...shootout style!!! 383. Dense Drip posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just like her and Landon Cassill back at Kansas in 2012. Pathetic. 384. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Somehow I am reminded of her attempted vengeance on Landon Cassill at Kansas a few years back where-just like today-she failed to take him out and only totaled her own car in the process... 385. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At least Cassill roasted her on the radio afterwards. 386. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Funny how Burton mentions drivers getting angry at Texas when Gordon was about to pound him into the pavement in 2010. 387. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin got nabbed for speeding exiting the pits. 388. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Burton brings up fighting at Texas and you don't show his girly fight with Gordon?!? 389. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FINALLY A BK CAUTION!! 390. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) FINALLY A BK CAUTION!! 391. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Weekly BK caution. 392. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeb Burton loops it around and brings out caution #14. 393. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeb Burton spins. We have returned to caution procreation. 394. Thomas posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Apparently Little Miss IRL still hasn't learned the 1st lesson of racing: How to wreck somebody without wrecking yourself. 395. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick on pit road. 396. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick comes back in under this yellow. 397. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cole Whitt is 21st. He's the leader of the TEB. 398. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scan all 43 *Scan all 8 399. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's some more "Scan All Eight" 400. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth spins. Collecting Kurt and Brad. 401. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth, Keselowski, and Busch crash! 402. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Anyone else following the Giants-Saints game? INSTANT CLASSIC. 403. Landon Cassill posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Rule No. 1 of stock car racing is learn how to wreck someone without wrecking yourself. 404. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THERE'S our weekly BK caution 405. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BK spun Kenseth. Kurt was close to getting on the roof of the garage. 406. Generalities posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Junior and Harvick just suck in general. Strong restart for McMurray. 407. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CRASH! Kenseth and Keselowski are in it! 408. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kes and Kurt are pretty much out of the chase. 409. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth goes around off turn 2 and takes out Brad AND Kurt Busch... Oh man, this is gonna really affect this round of the Chase... 410. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth, Kurt Busch, and Keselowski tangle. All have significant damage. 411. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski's #2 has a right-front wheel that's not pointed the proper direction anymore. He's done. All that dominance today for nothing! 412. Jim Davis posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "...it was a terrible move to get rid of Richmond in the Truck Series." The truck series didn't get rid of Richmond; Richmond got rid of the truck series. 413. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt with heavy damage. You knew Penske would mess that up once. 414. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt Busch caught a little air. 415. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well that sucks for Kurt. 416. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad goes to the garage. 417. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth is probably done for the day. Kurt has heavy damage after getting airborne there, and Brad is now behind the wall. 418. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow! Busch is out on the track on the lead lap while Keselowski is in the garage. 419. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 406- if that was supposed to be a shot at me, its a really bad one since Junior and Harvick have a combined five wins this year. But yeah keep making up different names. 420. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ironically enough Harvick's decision to pit under the previous caution saved him from being around that crash... 421. mbenoit posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Boy, the right things are happening for Jeff Gordon in this championship chase. He did get into the back of the 2, but I don't think he's got much damage. 422. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That wreck looked like a milder version of the Barry Bodine/Rick Carelli wreck here in the 1995 Truck race at Martinsville. 423. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How is David Ragan 4th? 424. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan in fourth. Good grief. 425. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just like that, Ragan's 11th. 426. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt now heads to the garage. 427. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kurt is joining Brad in the garage area. 428. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Jamie! 429. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @424 Not anymore. 430. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 41 in the garage, 2 back on the track. 431. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) 419 - Don't worry everything posted here is not about you. 432. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad back on the track, 10 laps behind. 433. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Chad's Hair Plugs and I collectively jinxed Ragan, it seems. 434. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No way will Keselowski reach minimum speed. That thing is hobbling all over. 435. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone think Kenseth might wreck Keselowski? 436. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Anyone but Logano. Please! 437. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 431 was not me. I can thumbs down that comment... 438. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) YES!!!!! 439. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth's day is done. 440. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kenseth wrecks Logano! 441. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And there we go...Kenseth got his revenge! 442. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Best moment of the year! 443. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Holy Crap! Kenseth actually did it! 444. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KENSETH IS GOING TO GET KILLED 445. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It seems like the #48 gets worse and worse as the race goes on every single week. Remind me again why exactly people think Knaus is such a great crew chief? 446. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth just dumped Logano!!! 447. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HOLY CRAP. HOLY CRAP. HOLY CRAP. 448. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KENSETH TAKES OUT LOGANO. Holy cow! 449. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now that's gonna lead to some drama. 450. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What is Kenseth thinking? NASCAR just announced Kenseth is parked but I don't think that #20 is going anywhere further. 451. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Expect a HUGE fight after this race. 452. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I take it back at what I said very early in the race! 453. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (9) (0) You wanted a circus, Brian You got your circus. 454. mbenoit posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I knew he was gonna do it! It's about to get wild, folks. 455. Danny posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:48 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Kenseth with the biggest cheer I've heard in years. AS they say, shit just got real. 456. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I was waiting for Kenseth to put his shades on and say "Deal with it". 457. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This is a louder cheer then Jr. winning a race. 458. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (6) (7) What a dipshit move. Going for the win in the heat of the moment is one think. Destroying two cars with a vendetta while laps down is another. Dumb moves like that almost put Brad K in the stands at Atlanta a few years ago. 459. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, Matt IS a man of his word...He said he was gonna wreck Joey, and he did it. Can only imagine what kind of penalty Matt is gonna get... All this mayhem is playing out in Gordon's favor BIG TIME. 460. murb posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Watch this hand Harvick the f**king championship now. 461. Ryan W posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) If I aint gonna win it, you sure as hell aint! - Matt Kenseth 462. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol @ everyone saying Kenseth wouldn't throw some payback JoLo's way. 463. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (4) (6) Kenseth got his revenge? No, he showed what a baby he is. Logano moved him at Kansas because Kenseth wasn't giving him an inch of room. 464. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After a Penske car took him out, Kenseth took out his teammate. 465. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (6) (2) I will never mistake Kenseth for a "clean" driver ever again. 466. New14 & 88 Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well NASCAR, you got your fireworks. 467. Mamorese posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) Is there anything that doesn't make this sport like a joke anymore 468. mbenoit posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This is what NASCAR, as a sanctioning body, clearly wants. I find that sad. I've watched this sport for more than a decade, but people are just taking each other out now for championships. That's the box the drivers have been put in, and this is how they're reacting. 469. Nelson posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) HA HA! 470. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN 471. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The media knows it. Everyone is at the 22's hauler. 472. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth saying he "blew a right front." Not sure I buy that, the tire still looks inflated. 473. Johnny posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Would they suspend Kenseth for the last couple of races for that? There's no doubt that was intentional. What a circus this is. 474. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I don't think Matt was gonna do that at the start of the day, but after he got spun by his teammate he probably just said F it... 475. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Would they suspend Kenseth for the last couple of races for that? There's no doubt that was intentional. They only gave Gordon 25 points for wrecking Bwoyer in 2012. 476. mbenoit posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I believe Jeff Gordon is now the points leader. 477. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) NASCAR is a circus because a driver just wrecked another on purpose? Clearly you're not familiar with the history of NASCAR. 478. Chives5150 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tom Logano was trying to get to the infield car center for a throwdown showdown with Kenseth. Good grief. 479. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Kenseth is being a chicken shit by not owning up to it. Nobody will buy that he had a blown tire, sorry. 480. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Was that expected? Yes. That was still classless though. 20 To THE HAULER! 481. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I thought Daddy Logano was banned from the infield after last time he tried to fight Joey's battles? 482. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "It's Kenseth, what are you guys expecting? Kenseth doesn't have much of a "anger" side." Don't you look the fool now... Honestly, I didn't really think Kenseth WOULD dump Joey straight up like that. I thought he would make things harder on the #22, but did not think he would actually go THAT far... 483. Matty S. posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Meanwhile... Jeff Gordon, inexplicably still in contention to win a championship in this farce WITHOUT a single win to his name. This is incredible. What a clown show. I hope Gordon wins this entire thing as a middle finger to NASCAR. 484. Cumulonimbus posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why is the red flag still out though? It's not like there's a ton of debris out there... and it's getting darker and darker. 485. Dense Drip posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) This is ridiculous. This will be my last year of watching the Sprint Cup. 486. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) Kyle Busch got suspended for pulling a stunt like this in a Truck race in 2011, interfering with that series' championship. Granted that incident was under caution... Joe Gibbs, Matt Kenseth, and crew chief Jason Ratcliff have all been called to the big white truck. That reflects great on Dollar General boys, remember that... 487. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @ 482, look at 452. 488. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Kenseth claims he blew a right front... Cue a collective cry of "BULLSHIT!" from all of us here... 489. Mamorese posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) NASCAR is the only sport that condones this still. The NFL has virtually eliminated all on field fighting, the NBA stomped it out after the pacers pistons brawl, and even in HOCKEY fighting is on the way out 490. New14 & 88 Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I can understand Kenseth being sore at Brad, he's the one that wrecked him and Kurt(it was unintentional but still). But what happened at Kansas was two guys racing for a win, neither one did anything wrong. I still like Kenseth but I've lost a ton of respect for him after this. 491. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Wow. Just wow. It's not like Logano hasn't dumped others. But dump him when you're racing for the win. Don't come back on the track and wreck him. 492. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) LMAO at Joey calling Kenseth a coward. Look at whose talking. 493. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) How does this give NASCAR a black eye or make it a joke? Stupid to say when such moments below are considered classics. "There's a fight in turn 4" "I just wanted to rattle his cage" I guess since this happened during the Brian France Era it is a bad thing. Tom Logano at it again! 494. HouseOfPenske posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) At least the truck and Xfinity series relies on pure racing to decide titles. I'm done with the Cup Series. Tossing my hats and shirts now, eff them. 495. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Meanwhile... Jeff Gordon, inexplicably still in contention to win a championship in this farce WITHOUT a single win to his name.' Well, with Logano out, he can remedy the winless situation today. 496. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why did that require a red flag? What's the penalty for Logano's team working on the #22 under it? 497. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Shades of Phoenix 2012. 498. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Meanwhile Grodon is in the lead. 499. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @RaceFanX - Last time I saw it, they timed how long they worked under the red flag and made them sit in the garage for an equal length of time before getting the car back out there. 500. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (8) (7) Oh come on, Kenseth, if you're gonna go out there and dump him, be a man and own up to it. Chickenshit indeed. 501. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) This is crazy! Kenseth intentionally wrecks Logano, leaving the chase in jeopardy for Logano and Kenseth's reputation in jeopardy as well! Red is out, Gordon is in the lead! Sunset is in 20 minutes! Can they get restarted? 502. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MRN stated that after Logano finished his NBCSN interview, he walked away from MRN's reporter. 503. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Athletes for the most part don't make good actors. See Kenseth, Matt. 504. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth now saying the damage meant his car wouldn't turn. Not sure I buy that either. "even in HOCKEY fighting is on the way out" NHL yeah, the minor leagues discourage it but you still get a little. 505. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Can't believe people would actually cheer for what Kenseth did. That was about as bush league of a move as I've ever seen. He should be parked for the year, but knowing Brian France he'd be more likely to reinstate Kenseth into the Chase. 506. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Matt: "I went into turn 1 and it wouldn't turn. I just got into Logano." ...Did anybody else see Kenseth's nose grow at least a foot in length when he said that? 507. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Intention wrecks have happened since the founding of NASCAR. 508. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow I missed alot 509. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag is listed. 510. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (4) (4) Kenseth is a joke 511. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Imagine if Jr wins. This would be considered everyone's favorite race for everyone sitting in the crowd. 512. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't believe he did that 513. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (6) (5) Kenseth wrecking logano made my day. 514. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) "This is crazy! Kenseth intentionally wrecks Logano, leaving the chase in jeopardy for Logano and Kenseth's reputation in jeopardy as well!" Kenseth's reputation? He's only continuing to pull the same sort of antics he's pulled throughout his career. This sort of move should be EXPECTED from him. Of course, I'll get 20 thumbs down for telling the truth because some people seem to think Kenseth is an innocent little angel or something. Either that or they haven't watched nearly as many races as they would claim. Wake up, people. 515. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kenseth repeats the same cockamamie story to MRN. 516. The Long Shot posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) If NASCAR has any balls, they'll park Kenseth for the remainder of the season. Of course they won't, though, because "BOYS, HAVE AT IT!!!" 517. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @511 That would be awesome, but with him 4th on this restart I don't think it will happen. 518. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) But yes Kenseth, you blew a tire on the bottom of the track trying to pass the leader and you *happened* to blow in front of the leader, the leader who took you out at Kansas and then you proceeded to crash them both because of said tire. Own up to it please. 519. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I swear, if Gordon wins and trolls his way into Homestead... 520. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tbh I don't think the race will finish sunset 5:22 pm at martineville and 46 tg 521. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 40 years ago, the drivers had balls the size of small planets and would say "Yeah, I wrecked him!" But, yes, deliberate wrecks have always been a part of racing. 522. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I will LOL hard if Gordon wins the title after looking fairly mediocre for much of this season... Everyone pits here. 523. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone's pitting 524. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In other news Gordon is now the chase favorite. 525. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger and Hamlin stayed out. 526. green white checker posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Kenseth called Joey a liar after kansas. Today he wrecks joey on purpose and claims he had a right frot issue.You are a liar matt! 527. Mamorese posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's dark out... 528. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin and Dinger stayed out and start 1-2 529. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 431- I normally wouldn't assume that it was about me, except for that in the last two days about five different people have posted comments attacking me under names I have never seen before on this site making me think it is probably just one troll using aliases. 530. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They're both liars. 531. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dinger gets the lead on the outside. Power move. 532. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A.J. to the lead. yolo. 533. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) GO AJ!! 534. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dinger! 535. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I've said this before and I'll say it again: MARTINSVILLE NEEDS LIGHTS 536. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Come on Denny! 537. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kenseth is Matt the Brat to me, now. 538. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Allmendinger winning this race would be hilarious. 539. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Heck, EVERY track needs lights. 540. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Please don't let Allmendinger or Hamlin win this... 541. NascarIsDead posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (14) That is the biggest cheap shot I've ever seen. There is no denying that was premeditated. NASCAR needs to make an example of that a hole. Park him the rest of the season, Daytona 500 and disqualify him from next years chase. Penske needs to put a no name in the 12 and go head hunting the next 3 weeks. Kenseth doesn't finish a race and you go after Edwards until he is out of hunt. If the do not come down hard I will personally see to it that Matt Kenseth never drives a car competitively again. Hey, if Kenseth can make threats and follow through with it with no punishment then I can too. 542. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Dinger 543. I have posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) "431- I normally wouldn't assume that it was about me, except for that in the last two days about five different people have posted comments attacking me under names I have never seen before on this site making me think it is probably just one troll using aliases. " Thou art wrong. There art several of us. Thine paranoia showeth. 544. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @535 there gonna add them I just know it same with Dover and possibly Pocono. 545. The Long Shot posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) "Bet you any amount of money you want that it doesn't happen. Kenseth's not the type of guy to pull something that petty." Guess I was wrong, lol. Well, so much for me having any respect for Kenseth after that chickenshit move. Have fun floundering in Chase purgatory, Matt. 546. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Ragan's sure top 10 is now gone. 547. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution flies for the 17th time for a spin by Ragan. Allmendinger might actually hang on, LOL... 548. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hope Digner pulls a Andretti in 99! 549. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @541, I understand you're upset Mr. Penske. 550. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm shocked that more drivers didn't stay out. 551. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (6) (4) I see the sissys found this page bitching about how kenseth should he suspended. Logano f**ked around with kenseth the past few weeks so he got what was coming to him. 552. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "If the do not come down hard I will personally see to it that Matt Kenseth never drives a car competitively again." Very bold words from an Internet warrior there. How do you plan to do this? Hunt Kenseth down at his house and murder him in cold blood? 553. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Thou art wrong. There are several of us. Thine paranoia showeth." Thou please speaketh in normal Engliesh. 554. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If AJ wins he will replaced Clint Bowyer as the most hated driver by Gordon fans. 555. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol what Matt did is no different to what Jeff did to Bowyer a few years ago. He's not gonna get parked. Also for the people that i'm sure will bring Kyle into this, had he not been involved in like 4 other major incidents in 2011 he probably wouldn't have gotten parked either. He'll probably get fined and a points penalty but that's it 556. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon's trying to move Denny aside, giving AJ a little gap. 557. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon's race to lose now. 558. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go AJ! 559. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 543- and there he is now. Right on cue. 560. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't know if Logano's been interviewed by NBCSN yet, but he finally talked to MRN. He took it pretty well. 561. Gordon Fans posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) " 554. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If AJ wins he will replaced Clint Bowyer as the most hated driver by Gordon fans. " Your own blind hate shows. Anyone with two or more braincells knows the most hated drivers by Gordon Fans are Ricky Rudd and Rusty Wallace. 562. JRacingFast posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon channeling his refuse to lose! 563. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to second and catching A. J. quickly. 564. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Bump the 47 out of the way, please. 565. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin sliding back. 566. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) "I see the sissys found this page bitching about how kenseth should he suspended. Logano f**ked around with kenseth the past few weeks so he got what was coming to him." LOL. No, KENSETH got what was coming to him at Kansas for the way he blocked Logano. THIS was bush league. 567. NascarIsDead posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) 551, you're a brain dead idiot 568. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is about there. Going for the lead! 569. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to the lead with 22 to go! 570. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to the lead. There is your winner, baring a caution. 571. The Long Shot posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Go Gordon! 572. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yes! Gordon leads! 573. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MacMary is taking 2nd. 574. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well that was anti-climatic AJA... 575. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's see what Jamie Mac can do! 576. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here comes McMurray! 577. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I LOVE this top 3. Gordon, McMurray, Truex! 578. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Gordon, McMurray, and Truex 1-2-3. Great top 3 right now! 579. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Here comes McMurray! 580. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Go Jamie!!! 581. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr's 3rd now. Mac needs 5 clean laps, unfortunately he's coming up on a lapped car every other lap. 582. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Junior up to to third. With Allmendinger fifth, this is a great top 5 right now! 583. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr. is closing on McMurray for 2nd. 584. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It is super dark now but it looks sweet on TV with the ultra-bright glow of the brake rotors. 585. Jaro posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Spin Gordon into the wall, Jamie! 586. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Is this the day Gordon fans been waiting for. 587. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The green pit road light now giving off visible illumination. Allmendinger bounces off the wall. 588. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " 585. Jaro posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Spin Gordon into the wall, Jamie! " Speaking of people who have never posted before! 589. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NOOOOOOO DINGER 590. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish spins. Caution is out. Stay out! 591. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Sam Hornish Jr. Wrecks! This may be the end of the race due to available light! 592. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) AJ got moved out of the way. Jamie can't get the bite coming off 2/4 like Jeff. Hornish ruins it. I wonder if NASCAR calls darkness. Would be popular and convenient. 593. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution out! I don't see how they can do this, they will have to call the race. 594. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And a crash as Hornish wrecks in turn 1! Will they pit...? 595. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution! This changes everything! 596. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Will NASCAR call this race for darkness? 597. Ryan W posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) People used to take each other out all the time from the 1950's to about the early 1990's. The sport was built on hard racing/aggressive driving, rivals, pay backs, and controversy. The Petty's, Allison's, Waltrip, Pearson, I know technology and speed has increased over time since those days, but it's just Martinsville. They don't really go fast enough to really hurt anyone there with all the new safety features they have there. I believe that Kenseth put himself in a position to get wrecked at Kansas with the way he was blocking, but I can see why he would be mad, too. Logano has had a great year and definitely has been the major villain this year along with Harvick at times and the way Logano has talked over the last few weeks. Kenseth is no longer dull and got more cheers in one setting today than he ever has. 598. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nobody pits! 599. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I wonder if NASCAR calls darkness. Would be popular and convenient." Popular with WHO exactly? Earnhardt's in third with a fast car. 600. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) After 67 years Martinsville finally gets to host a night race. 601. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is setting up to be a CLASS-EEK. Now watch NASCAR screw it up by calling it early due to darkness or something. Or a caution on a GWC for a car going out of the groove. 602. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully they will install lights after this. 603. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crossing my fingers now... 604. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I honestly don't think Jr will fight Gordon for the win. 605. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fans left should get their phones out to add some light. 606. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Thank you, webmaster, for that speedy deletion. More proof of your own incredible work. 607. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) GORDON WINS!! 608. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Junior, Jamie, or Truex could win this I would be VERY happy. 609. dennyfan11 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Gordon wins! 610. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jamie again couldn't get the bite off 2/4. 611. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes!!!!!!!!!!! 612. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) jeffffffff 24242424242424 613. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr gets passed by Hamlin on turn 4. Darn. 614. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon going on to homestead!! 615. Matty S. posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not even a Jeff Gordon fan and I'm stoked he won. I'd love to see him win in his final season. 616. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon wins. What a race! 617. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (3) (3) No lights at martinsville NASCAR has messed up enough traditions 618. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YES! 619. Sam Wilson :) posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) jamie as a driver wanted to win, as a fan he wanted jeff to win 620. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess Gordon winning would make this an awesome day for the fans in the crowd. 621. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Its only a half mile, do a victory lap on foot. 622. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Jeff. Mediocre season or not, he deserved a moment on top in his last season 623. TS1420 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Good job Jeff. Surprised nobody pitted. Tony in the top 10! 624. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon scores his 93rd, and possibly final career win! It's his 9th grandfather clock. This is gonna be a helluva popular victory! 625. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Last win of Gordon's incredible career. 626. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jeff Gordon wins and earns a chance to go for the title at Homestead. If he wins he could be the first driver to retire as the reigning NASCAR Grand National/Cup champion since Ned Jarrett in 1966. This is Gordon's first win of his 2015 farewell tour. 627. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did they even let them pit under the last caution??? 628. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon wins his ninth race at Martinsville in his final start at the paperclip. 629. NASCAR.com Commenter posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:26 pm Rate this comment: (4) (9) This race is so rigged! It's obvious that NASCAR told Kenseth to wreck Logano so Gordon would win! Why else would he win at his FINAL race at his best track! This sport is like WWE on Wheels. I bet Gordon wins the championship because of NASCAR equipping engine destruction buttons on all cars except him. I can't wait for the next race in America's number 1 racing-related TV Series! 630. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man it is dark there. 631. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The drive for 5 is still alive and I'm not even a Gordon fan. 632. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The rain delaying the race, great racing throughout the day, Kenseth and Logano going at it, darkness closing, a likeable guy finishing 2nd, and the Martinsville master and a living legend wins his final Martinsville race and has a chance at the title. This could be made into a story. This is why we love NASCAR! ;) 633. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon's 93rd and final career win. 634. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) YES!! YES!! YES!! Gordon's record tying 6th Fall Martinsville win!! He is THE greatest Fall Martinsville driver of all-time with 6 wins spanning 20 seasons with FIVE different crew chiefs. Unbelievable!! 635. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon will have a chance to win a fifth championship at Homestead in his final season. Even if he's had a so-so season to date for the most part, I'm stoked that he's gonna have a shot at it! I had no idea when I predicted at the start of the Chase that Jeff would get his final career victory in this race, it would actually happen. I don't have THAT kind of foresight! Can't think of too many more fitting places for his last win... 636. Kevin Durant posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Matt Kenseth... YOU DA REAL MVP!!!!! 637. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Great finishes for: Stewart 10th Allmendinger 11th Allgaier 13th Mears 17th Whitt 20th Cassill 21st Bowman 22nd Annett 23rd Gilliland 24th (even after Danica tried to wreck him) Jeb 27th 638. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What does Gordon do with all of his clocks? One in each room? 639. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rainbow Nation will be celebrating tonight. 640. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hold up...Jeff could just as easily win one of these last three as well. 641. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Ella and Leo look nothing like Jeff. 642. Ryan W posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I predicted last week on 'dega post that Gordon would win this race and take the title at Homestead. It just makes too much sense. #DriveForFive 643. RaceFanX posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is Gordon's first win since Dover in September last year. 644. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Good to see Tony get a top 10 he really needed something like that. 645. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Best race of the season. And I'm not even a Gordon fan. 646. murb posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Props to Gordon. Regardless of everything else, he earned that win, plain and simple. I still like Logano winning Texas and then winning the title at Homestead. 647. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not only did Stewart get a top 10, but this is his 300th top 10! 648. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it is 4 guys for 3 spots. 649. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did they even interview Jamie? 650. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They didn't interview anyone besides Gordon. 651. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It'll probably be taped interviews during the post race show. 652. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Jeff Gordon broke the laps led record at Martinsville by leading the last lap. Gordon finished in the Top 12 in 41 of his 46 Martinsville starts. 17 career Short track wins for Gordon, too. 653. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The only place I could possibly say would have been a more fitting place for a final Gordon win would have been Charlotte, would have been pretty neat if he bookended his career with wins there... A pretty crazy and chaotic race, that is undoubtedly gonna be remembered for Kenseth making good on his threat to pay back Joey Logano just as much for Gordon winning. Yeah, it's pretty obvious this is the kind of drama NASCAR wanted with this Chase system, but I don't get why some people are acting like this is a new thing for drivers to purposely wreck each other. It's been happening since...well, since NASCAR ever began. My gut feeling says Matt SHOULD get slapped with a big penalty (he can be smart and deny all he wants, but it's hard to be any MORE blatant than that), but I wouldn't be surprised if NASCAR didn't do anything... 654. DH101 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano had that coming. 655. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @636 Stephen Curry is the reigning MVP. 656. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) All those clocks must be a pain to change during Day Light Savings. 657. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) One of the greatest races of all time. 658. startandparkfan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Two Poles and 1 win left for Gordon" Hmmm........ Maybe? 659. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Fan-freaking-tastic. And please, no complaints about the Chase format. Nobody has been screwed by the Chase more than Jeff Gordon. 660. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HOMESTEAD! HOMESTEAD! HOMESTEAD! HOMESTEAD! HOMESTEAD! 661. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate how NBC always has to explain everything to the "new fans". 662. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big Mac Fan I think you need to step up you're meme game lol 663. Greg in Largo posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congrats to Jeff Gordon. What a great race. 664. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @659 None complaints from me. As one of the biggest critics of the chase (JG has been hurt by it the most) I sure hope he wins it all this year. 665. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You almost think Gordon won the Championship. 666. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle Busch went to victory lane to congratulate him among others. Gained a lot of respect for him there. 667. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Good race, until Kenseth decided to be a complete ass and ruin someone's title hopes. Ah well. NASCAR will probably give him a fine, and that's going to be the end of it. No more touching between these two. Cause nobody wants to see a car hitting a catchfence in the next 2 weeks. lol 668. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Sadly it does kind of piss me off to hear the fans chanting HOMESTEAD... Like I saw one person say this was one of the greatest races ever, but I don't think so. This race turned into a cluster F*** because of what Kenseth did. which was due to this BS points system. If he doesn't HAVE to win at Kansas he doesn't bock Joey like he did which led to him getting dumped and ultimately eliminated from the chase. If that doesn't happen he probably doesn't fell the need to do what he did today. Don't let the outcome of Jeff winning fool you, this wasn't truly a great race 669. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) OK, as big a Gordon fan I am, this whole post race has practically been the Jeff Gordon Circle Jerk Hour, LOL. Though I kind of expected they WOULD do that if he won a race in his farewell tour...Still, I'd like to hear from some of the other top finishers! Not too many drivers have won their final race at a track. The only other ones I can think of offhand are Kulwicki winning Pocono in '92, Davey Allison winning at Richmond in '93, and Earnhardt winning at Talladega in 2000 (which was also a very fitting last win for a NASCAR legend). Of course, in their cases it was because they tragically died soon afterwards...I'm sure some more knowledgeable members here like Sean could fill us in on other occasions a driver won in their last ever start at a certain track? 670. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Poster consensus Logano crashes: NASCAR is a joke. What a circus. Gordon wins: Best race ever! I love NASCAR! 671. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @661 - Eh. I hear ya, but at least they do it intelligently, unlike FOX, who treats everyone as a 5-year old. I cannot think of any drivers who've even won in their retirement seasons, much less had a ghost of a chance at the Cup. Only ones I can think of are ones whose careers were cut short by injury (Bobby Allison) or death (Davey Allison and Dale Earnhardt). 672. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon almost sticks his sticker on the Champion slot. 673. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nice to see Kyle congratulate Jeff after the win BTW. Still not a fan of his, but I did gain some respect for him there. One of the nicer things I've seen that. I kind of agree with BMan that Kenseth's vengeance did kind of tarnish this race (Gordon definitely benefited from Matt taking out three of the best cars all day-unintentionally AND intentionally)...but let's not kid ourselves. You KNOW because of that and who won the race, it is going to go down in MANY fans' books as one of the highlights of the entire year. It would be hard for me to really argue with that viewpoint, there WAS a lot of good racing throughout aside from the chaos... That said, I wouldn't go so far as to call this the greatest race I've ever watched! 674. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @669, do tracks that closed down(i.e. Rockingham, N Wilkesboro)count? 675. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @674 - Don't see why they wouldn't. 676. BON GORDON posted: 11.01.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Way to go Jeff! Unbelievable! So happy right now! 677. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I'm sure some more knowledgeable members here like Sean could fill us in on other occasions a driver won in their last ever start at a certain track?" Richard Petty,in 1971 alone, won many final races at several tracks, including my home track of Greenville-Pickens. 678. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So CanadianFan. Nico Rosberg won the F1 race. 679. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "@669, do tracks that closed down(i.e. Rockingham, N Wilkesboro)count?" I actually didn't think of that, but yeah, I suppose they would. That makes this the second track Gordon has won his final start in. Still, I can't really think of anyone else who actually won in their intended farewell tour. I just remembered that Bill Elliott also won in his final full season (and it was also his last start at Rockingham), but he also continued to run part-time for almost a decade farther... 680. Thomas posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Kenseth's reputation was ruined as soon as he signed with the Gibbs Goons. They sure indoctrinated him to their style of "racing" quickly. 681. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR's Steve O'Donnell set to address media in five minutes. 682. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If O'Donnell is holding a press conference, I'm guessing Kenseth's ass is parked next week, at least. 683. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I doubt NBC will show it Steve's chat. 684. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon broke the laps led record today, but it wasn't on the last lap, like I thought. I thought he had led only 23 laps, which would have given him the record on the last lap. He actually led 35 laps. Jeff Gordon 3779 Cale Yarborough 3766 What a great finish to his career on the shorts. The 17th win gives him the most wins on the shorts, along with Rusty Wallace's 17, since he began his career in Atlanta. 685. Alex posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well, Fonty Flock won the final race at Bainbridge Speedway in 1951. It was the only race at Bainbridge :P On a serious note, Joe Weatherly won his final race at Occoneechee Speedway in 1963. 686. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess NBC is going to show it after the break. 687. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Like I get why Kenseth did it. He's out of the Chase and if he really thinks it was Joeys fault than I don't blame him for doing it even tho it was wrong. Also if they Park Matt for next week can we retroactively park Jeff for what he did to Bowyer in 2012... Kenseth's track record is about as clean as Jeff's which is what people used as the argument to not park him. If NASCAR comes down hard on him it's probably more because he's one of the people who call this system a joke after last week than actually wrecking joey. 688. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, another top 10 for Kahne. He sure is getting better late in the year. 689. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @685 - Nice find but unfortunately I think that's in the same category as Earnhardt and the Allisons. =/ 690. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution #3 was for the #46 of Annett spinning, not the #26 of Yeley. Also, Bayne nine laps down in 31st...I do understand he had a couple of tire issues, but he lost at least HALF those laps on the track. Terrible performance by the #6. I know you're his biggest fan racefangurl...but I STILL don't see him becoming the next Logano if he gets a shot in better equipment... 691. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) O'Donnell indicates Kenseth went too far because he was laps down and wasn't racing for a win and took a guy out who was leading. 692. Alex posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speedy Thompson won the last time he raced at Richmond. 693. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was really just hey, we are here and know we have to look at it. 694. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alan Kulwicki won his final full season if we're counting people who couldn't race full seasons after that due to injury or death. 695. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon tied Richard Petty's record for Top 10 finishes at Martinsville with his 37th. Gordon also lowered his career average finish to 6.8 in 46 starts. He never DNF'd at Martinsville, on top of everything else. 696. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Kyle Petty and Jarrett are BOTH (very deservedly) raking Kenseth over the coals for what he did. Matt probably gained quite a few new fans today, but he also probably cost himself a shitload of them as a result of his on-track actions... Jarrett actually went so far as to basically call Matt out for lying about it afterwards! ("I blew a tire." "I couldn't turn going into turn 1". NOBODY believes you, Matt...) 697. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Still think this incident with Kenseth wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for this chase. Even if they park Kenseth this crap will still happen. If NASCAR want's jokes like this to stop they need to drop the chase. This is like the 6th or 7th possible race manipulating incident that has taken place in the last 11 races since 2011. 698. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Jarrett actually went so far as to basically call Matt out for lying about it afterwards! ("I blew a tire." "I couldn't turn going into turn 1". NOBODY believes you, Matt...)" Yeah I think DJ went to far with that. It's pretty easy to tell Matt was just being a smart ass in that interview lol which IMO isn't the same as denying it. 699. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @697 - This has nothing to do with the Chase. This is much more like the Edwards/Keselowski feud from a few years ago. 700. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Brad and Joey were playing those re-start games all race.That is uncalled for. 701. Evan posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Jeff Gordon wins in his final start. But let be honest, it was planned and it was expected but that was a cheap move by Matt Kenseth to crash Logano when he was laps down. Just simply uncalled for and I knew it was coming but it was definitely intentional by my eye. Just a terrible move to do that but paybacks are a part of racing, I just don't know what NASCAR is going to do, probably fine Kenseth and take points away, probably. But regardless, what a win for Jeff to cap his final season and get another clock to go with his eight that he has won already. Congrats to the 24 team on a great race win today. And for Sean, I guess this is a natural win since he passed MacMurray for the lead on the restart? Even though the win was sort of off-track when he beat everybody out of the pits.. 702. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Also, gotta say, while I'm glad to see Parker Kligerman working for NBC, I still really wish that guy would get another chance at Cup after basically having Swan Racing fold from under him last year and getting left high and dry... 703. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@697 - This has nothing to do with the Chase. This is much more like the Edwards/Keselowski feud from a few years ago." I disagree mainly because if there was no chase I don't think the incident at Kansas would have happened. If there no win an advance rule I don't think Matt attempt the blocks he did on Joey witch ultimately led to him being Spun. If Kansas doesn't happen you can't tell me Matt would have felt the need to do what he did today. 704. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also Kyle Petty called the incident "BS" and that "it makes our sport look like a joke." Which unfortunately I have to agree with. Here's my take on what happened. Obviously Kenseth and Logano had bad blood. Kenseth got wrecked out of a victory (it was really his fault, but still) at Kansas and was going to pay him back. But after he got accidently wrecked out of the lead by Keselowski, Logano's teammate who Kenseth also despises, he probably just had enough and went out to take care of business. But like Gordon 3 years earlier, that was totally unwarranted by Matt. I hate it when cars are used as weapons. Obviously it was the heat of the moment for Kenseth, but NASCAR needs to do something about lapped down cars intentionally wrecking front runners after accidents (Atlanta 2010, Martinsville 2015 and Phoenix 2012 come to mind.) 705. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @703 - Logano's moved people before. I remember one particularly annoying incident when he bumped Mark Martin (my longtime favorite driver) at Pocono in 2012. I feel like his move at Kansas was to win, period. 706. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) Why do so many people think this is "old school NASCAR"? Lapped cars ramming the leader into the wall isn't old-school NASCAR, it's NASCAR Thunder NASCAR. 707. Ryan W posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @669 Schroeder51: Bobby Allison won both of his last two starts at Daytona! 708. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Best race of 2015 Sponsor Updates #24 AARP Member Advantages/AARP Credit Cards #47 Kroger/Clorox/Scott Products/Hungry Jack #48 Lowe's/Kobalt Tools #3 Dow Plastics Additives #40 Interstate Moving Services #83 Cosmo Motors #46 PJ Fresh Pizza/Pilot/Flying J #23 Rocky Ridge Custom Trucks #62 Premium Motorsports #22 Shell/Pennzoil #32 Keen Parts/CorvetteParts.net/Breast Cancer Awareness #98 Vydox Plus 709. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @705 I don't have a problem with what Joey did there. My point was it happened because Matt was blocking, which I don't think would have happen to the extent it did if there was no Chase. He made the move he made because he NEEDED to win. If there was no Chase he wouldn't have been in that spot 710. Nathan8848 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) We saw NAPA leave MWR and Truex after Spingate. I wonder if Dollar General will leave Kenseth and Gibbs after this. 711. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why do so many people think this is "old school NASCAR"? Lapped cars ramming the leader into the wall isn't old-school NASCAR, it's NASCAR Thunder NASCAR." People like to think what Dale Sr. did to DW at Richmond (which was also for the win) was the norm back in the day. Newsflash to them it wasn't... 712. BrotherFlounder posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gibbs was able to keep M&Ms around after Kyle spun Hornaday in the Truck Series (remember, Interstate Batteries stepped up and sponsored the last race at Homestead after that all happened when they weren't supposed to). I think that he'll be able to keep Dollar General happy. 713. Ryan W posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) Kyle Petty has a lot of nerve talking about other people making the sport a joke by deliberately wrecking someone. I guess he has a short memory from when he about killed Davey Allison at the Winston AS Race in '92. "but it was OK though since it was for the win" 714. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think 704 nailed it on the head. I will speak as a Gordon fan and say his actions at Phoenix were equally disgusting (although I admit in the heat of the moment back then I went overboard and initially wanted Gordon to get kicked out for that...not one of my better moments)... I REALLY wish these drivers would just settle it in the garage after the race rather than going for revenge with their cars. Yeah, I know incidents like this have happened since the beginning of NASCAR, but it still reflects poorly on a driver to just go out and flat dump someone like that. If I were a Kenseth fan I would be DAMNED embarrassed right now... 715. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @710 Nah if DuPont/Axalta stays with Gordon after 2012 and Andheiser - Busch (sorry for spelling) stays with Harvick after last week, then Dollar General will stay. It would probably be popular anyway seeing all of the cheers after Logano crashed. 716. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We saw NAPA leave MWR and Truex after Spingate. I wonder if Dollar General will leave Kenseth and Gibbs after this." How many sponsors did Jeff and Kyle lose due to pulling similar stunts Kenseth did... I doubt anyone leaves. I think NAPA was a little different. I think they wanted to leave for awhile but didn't know how to do to Michael being such a good spokesperson. Spingate gave them their perfect reason to which ultimately worked out for them. 717. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @716 If I recall MARS did take a look at the situation. 718. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @715 I wouldn't throw Harvick into this. There's no proof he did anything after all. 719. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @713 Considering that we all know you're an Earnhardt fan, you have little room to talk about drivers wrecking people for the win. 720. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @717 They did thats why Interstate Batteries was on the car for the last two races that year. However in the end they stayed. I do think Z line Designs did leave the sport altogether but I'm not 100% sure if that was because of what Kyle did. 721. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@713 Considering that we all know you're an Earnhardt fan, you have little room to talk about drivers wrecking people for the win." Just my opinion but I have much less of a problem when it's for the win than I do with what Kenseth did. That being said 713's comments are off. Kyle wrecking Davey in the All Star race is nowhere in the same zip code of what happened today. 722. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @720 That was my point. The guy had a problem with Kyle crashing Davey for the win, which I view as fine and not like today's incident, but he cheers for Earnhardt which is a huge double standard if you ask me. 723. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @722 He probably just thinks what Dale did was hard racing where's Kyle dumped Davey lol 724. Captain51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm sure I wasn't the only one with a huge smile on my face when Kenseth and Logano hit the wall. I'm all for what Kenseth did, but he did KINDA wreck the leader who was in the Chase. No comment from either Joe Gibbs or Kenseth after their meeting with NASCAR. Curious to see how this plays out 725. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) So I check out NASCAR's Youtube videos of the incident...and sure enough many people there are praising Matt for what he did today. Yep, I figured I'd see something like that... I SWEAR one of these days I will stop rotting my brain by reading the peanut gallery comments on Youtube and NASCAR.com... 726. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Earnhardt fans, I wonder if we're in for a rare DSFF sighting? Can't help but wonder, you know with Gordon winning and all the talk about Gordon choking in October that he would always do. 727. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In other news, Kyle Busch has figured out how to not choke in the chase. 728. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He probably just thinks what Dale did was hard racing where's Kyle dumped Davey lol" I seem to remember posting on older races that Earnhardt was NOT a dirty driver in the slightest, that his team never once cheated, etc. He does have a huge amount of knowledge about Dale's legendary career and his life, which I respect...but methinks he is maybe just a TAD too fanatical about his all-time favorite driver... 729. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Speaking of Earnhardt fans, I wonder if we're in for a rare DSFF sighting? Can't help but wonder, you know with Gordon winning and all the talk about Gordon choking in October that he would always do." Well I mean even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes lol. I agree he was hard on Jeff last year, but he did bring up good points. Jeff is kind of NASCAR's Peyton Manning but with NASCAR not having a playoff during the first half of his career this major flaw was masked. When you really brake down his stats he just isn't as good at the end of the year. Idk if you would say he's a choker like Manning is, I personally wouldn't, but for what ever reason there are a handful of drivers I'd take over Jeff during the last month of the season. 730. Henry T. Jones posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Seeing I am a old man and have probably been watching this sport longer than most of you fellows, I am going to give you my opinion on today's events. Back when I was a young man we drug our women around by the hair, we shaved with a sharp stone, and car racing hadn't been invented. Now you go to jail for pulling your womans hair, they have steel razors, and there's a woman racing stock cars. Now my spelling probably stinks and my grammar could be way off, but dammit times they are a changin. Guess that covers it all. 731. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK, after checking a few more videos...it seems the general consensus among NASCAR's fanbase is that Matt did the right thing in dumping the #22. A LOT of people hate Joey, so I guess Matt blatantly wrecking him is awesome in most people's eyes. I guess I was WAY wrong in saying Matt lost a lot of people's respect...Definitely seems like he gained a bunch of new fans, LOL. Still, I won't be able to defend what Matt did...it really DOES pale in comparison to what happened between the two at Kansas. This is why I'm glad this is one of the few places where intelligent NASCAR fans actually gather... 732. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) I think that was a disproportionate response to what Logano initially did. I did think Logano's initial spinout of Kenseth was a cheap shot (since Kenseth wasn't blocking Logano at that second, and I think the only justification for something like that is if you are being blocked AT THAT INSTANT) and didn't think it was a smart thing for Logano to do at the time since he was already locked into the chase. When NASCAR has concocted a points system where winning is everything but consistency is the most important thing when you don't win, you don't want to make enemies just to take a potential championship contender out of the chase. What Logano did was disproportionate to Kenseth's blocking in my opinion, but what Kenseth did was WAY disproportionate to what Logano did as well. And at least Logano admitted he spun out Kenseth at Kansas because he was being blocked, while Kenseth is blaming some sort of mechanical failure? COME ON. Give me a break. Total lameness but now NASCAR is at a crossroads with what it wants to do here. After Newman bumped-and-ran his way into the chase last year and Harvick caused an intentional big one on the last lap, no matter what NASCAR does will be hypocritical, since I personally think all three of those incidents were out of line (and Logano's too, mind you). They got the Game 7 moments they want to still get some mainstream media attention, but at the cost of credibility. I do think this was a good race that will be remembered as a classic, but I think most Martinsville races are good and I think some of them that were not more reminiscent of '90s Bristol antics were better (spring 2014 race was better). But people will be talking about this race for the next decade and they won't be talking about that one and I guess that's all NASCAR talks about. It's hilarious that Gordon had a truly championship-caliber season last year and got bumped out despite two 2nd place finishes and now advances to the Final Four in one of the worst seasons in his career, but whatever... I struggle to find playoffs credible in ANY sport and this is why (dominance throughout a season means nothing, and dominance over short subsets is all that matters). It's even worse in NASCAR where the points system has a strong consistency bias so that you can have two 2nd place finishes and miss due to a late race crash like Gordon did last year, or miss advancing like Hamlin did this year after a 2nd, 4th, and a crash at Talladega. I'm actually thinking the wildly overlooked Kyle Busch, who has been driving about as cleanly and smoothly as he ever has this year, is going to shock everyone at win the title at Homestead. The fact that nobody is noticing him and he's flying under the radar usually helps him, because he usually does the best precisely when the spotlight is not on him, and right now the spotlight is on Gordon due to his win and Harvick, Kenseth, and Logano due to their antics. Yeah, Kyle spun out Austin Dillon today, but I do think he aquaplaned. I don't think that one was intentional at all. A LOT of NASCAR's problems could be solved by going to a legitimate points system which does not reward mid-pack finishes substantially over DNFs, like what F1, CART, and IndyCar had. I appreciate that NASCAR now has made winning matter, but no other position really does. The Latford points system at LEAST gave 2nd-5th and 6th-10th a few more points per position than 11th or worse, but this points system does not do that. The gap between 2nd and 3rd is the same as the gap between 42nd and 43rd. That is ridiculous, so UNLESS you win, avoiding bad finishes is more important than scoring good ones. If NASCAR only awarded points to the top 20 or top 25 positions (as I want and have wanted for years...this is the change I think they needed to make instead of the initial chase) that would make the series more professional as drivers wouldn't have a REASON to go back onto the track once they crashed (awarding points only to the top 25 prevents the Atlanta 2010 and Martinsville 2015 crashes, I believe) and that is the only thing that fixes this. Harvick, Logano, and Kenseth are all responding to perverse incentives. Kenseth had to win at Kansas because 2nd was undervalued, and because other drivers' mid-pack finishes were better than his back-of-the-pack finishes. Harvick felt he had to cause that crash at Talladega so he wouldn't lose too many positions, but if the points system was correct and did not award say a 16th place finish that many more points than a 28th place finish or whatever, Harvick would have had minimal incentive to cause a wreck, since he would have lost very little on the final GWC. If NASCAR wants to fix this (drivers crashing each other to help their chase positions) FIX THE POINTS so top 10 finishes get larger differential gaps than gaps in the middle of the pack, and don't award any points below some position (I'll say 25th). You do that then almost nobody is ever going back on the track and you won't have the unprofessional white-trashy antics that are too often seen in NASCAR. One of the things that is much better about F1 and IndyCar style racing is when you are out, you are out. Those points systems provide so small points differences per bottom positions that there really is no incentive like this and it makes it safer. I don't think NASCAR wants to fix this however because incidents like this might be the last chance they get for SportsCenter airtime/mainstream media attention now with over half their races on fringe cable (FS1/NBC Sports) and ESPN abandoning racing completely after this year... So Kenseth will get something trivial like a 25 point fine, which he'll be fine with because really, is the difference between 11th and 13th in points or whatever enough not to take a stand like this (as he thought he was doing, but if he was really taking a stand, wouldn't he admit he intentionally wrecked them?) Honestly, the thing that disturbed me most of all upon thinking about it more was the fans cheering Kenseth taking Logano out. I think that pisses me off more than anything either driver did. 733. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @7131 I agree it's all because of who he did it to. Joey is lumped in with drivers like the Dillon's AKA the silver spooners... No one really likes him and feel he's only in the sport because of his family and the connections they were able to make when he was just a kid. Seeing one of the older drivers take him out as he is viewed as one of the problems of the sport is gonna be a popular move. However if he had pulled that crap on say Jeff or Dale Jr well... he probably would have left the track in a body bag lol 734. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think I was proven right about what I said about Kenseth in posts #24 and #36. Evan, yes, Gordon's win would technically count as a natural win, either a pass of Allmendinger or McMurray (I guess I'd say McMurray since he did have a slight edge very briefly). It wouldn't be off-track at all since he led entering and leaving the pits. What gave him control of the race ultimately was incidental (the Logano/Kenseth crash) and he was certainly lucky. This is similar to the 1992 Daytona 500 when Davey Allison inherited the lead after pretty much everyone else crashed in the Big One...since Davey DID pass Michael Waltrip later in the race to take the lead, it technically counted as natural, but essentially what gave him the control was the wreck earlier in the race, and Gordon's win was definitely of the same nature. So it was a more nuanced combination of incidental/natural, much like . Placing every race into a one-size-fits-all classification will not always work since in some races multiple factors give a driver the win, but I still think that analysis was worth doing even if there are certain races like this which are more nuanced. I don't think there is any doubt Logano was winning this race and going four in a row if he had not been wrecked, so the incidental factor was certainly more important than the natural factor in Gordon's win, but by my definition, it would still be natural. 735. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) NASCARNixon just made a video regarding the Danica/Gilliland situation pretty much summing up what everyone was saying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUYgh9pzak4 736. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not sure we can really say that yet Big Mac, he's been pretty invisible in the chase so far and was really close to getting eliminated in both rounds. 737. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I agree with BMan0213. Kenseth is (stupidly) cheered because Logano has essentially taken the position Jeff Gordon had 20 years ago, and we know how unpopular Gordon was in the late '90s. Logano, like Gordon, was force-fed to the fans as the next big thing before he'd actually accomplished anything and they were both slow to actually become stars despite the high-profile rides they got (yeah, it only took Gordon 1.5 years to win, but he was expected to win much sooner). Kenseth is considered one of the last of the blue-collar guys while Logano is seen as a spoiled brat. It's basically little different from what Rusty Wallace did to Gordon at Richmond in '98. But the big difference is that Rusty and Jeff were actually battling for the lead, so that makes what Matt did even worse. And back when Gordon came up, he was really the ONLY driver who didn't have a blue-collar image, so it's understandable why it took the fans several years to be able to stomach him. Logano may be/is a silver spoon rich kid, but you have to be in order to make it to ANY major league racing series these days as truly grassroots drivers don't even make it anymore, so hating on Gordon was in a sense more understandable (since he was a sign for the end of blue-collar race car drivers in NASCAR), but Logano is just like any other driver of his generation ultimately. I guess Kenseth is considered by the fans as one of the last grassroots drivers, which is why the fans liked it, just as they liked Rusty Wallace's spinout of Gordon (which was even less justified, since I don't remember Gordon actually spinning him...yeah, he bumped him a lot). But just being grassroots shouldn't excuse this. Logano was wrong at Kansas. Kenseth was wronger here. 738. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm trying to figure out who was the last driver who actually won a race in their INTENDED final season. Intended meaning excluding drivers like Davey Allison, Alan Kulwicki, and Dale Earnhardt who likely would have continued to drive for years to come if they hadn't died. The best I can do is Bill Elliott in 2003, who DID win in his final full-time season, but messed around part-time for almost the next decade. As for somebody who won in the final season they competed (without having a career-ending injury or death), I think you have to go WAY back. 739. murb posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really couldn't care less what they decide to do to Kenseth. Like Sean said, either way they're gonna come off looking inconsistent yet again. So it really doesn't matter to me. As for the championship, my new Final Four is Gordon, Logano, Kyle Busch, and Truex, with Logano winning the title still. For some reason, I just can't help but get this strange feeling that this might be a 1998 Richmond type situation that lights Logano on fire. He's already the favorite on the 1.5 milers, and he's always run really well at Phoenix, so when considering that along with being pissed off and virtually having nothing to lose, I won't be shocked at all if he goes three in a row yet again to close it out. 740. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano being this generation's Jeff Gordon...when I think about it, this actually makes sense. Logano was touted hugely when he came into the sport and we were all told he'd be the greatest thing since sliced bread. He looked like a failure at Homestead and most people wrote him off, then he goes to Penske and FINALLY starts to deliver on the promise we were told he had. And yet most fans I see on the Internet hate his guts and cheer every time he gets wrecked, and feel he does NOT deserve the opportunities he's had due to his family connection. Yep, sounds pretty much like how Gordon was received in the '90s... I should have really expected that would be the general fan response considering the Martinsville crowds pretty much gave Matt a standing ovation after he dumped the #22, didn't I? 741. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty much Sean. I think the only real difference there is why Jeff was and Joey is hated. I think with Jeff while him being an outsider was a factor, he simply won to much. I mean he got to 50 wins in I want to say like 232 starts. That's insane and I don't think anyone will come close to matching that. Joey on the other hand, I think people just don't think he's that good. IDK why, I mean you don't win as many races as he's had without some skill, but I think people just think of him as the kid who stunk it up with JGR and is only doing as good as he is now because he has a better team around him, not because he is actually a good driver. 742. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeb Burton's new best career finish in 27th. It's only the second time all year he's earned a top 30-both of those finishes came at Martinsville. This is one of the few times all season he's been the top BK Racing car. I know BK Racing is terrible equipment, but considering how his teammates routinely beat him on the track week after week-one of whom, Matt DiBenedetto, has a similarly low amount of upper level NASCAR experience-I REALLY don't think he was ready for Cup. Then again, with no real good available rides in Trucks or Xfinity, I guess this was the best he could hope for... 743. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano has pretty much taken over control of the Penske team from Keselowski, who had just won the championship the year before he got there, so it would be ridiculous if anyone denied his talent now. I do admit it is funny when drivers handpick proteges and then watch their proteges match or arguably surpass their accomplishments, as Johnson did to Gordon, Kenseth did to Martin, and now Logano is doing to Keselowski. 744. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Schroeder why do you torture yourself by observing the comments section on NASCAR.com & Youtube 745. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is like the proverbial phoenix rising from the ashes as he tries to avenge last years championship heartbreak with a 5th cup crown in his final season. 746. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I mean Logano is the first driver to win on a plate track, an unrestricted superspeedway, a short track, and a road course since Jeff Gordon in 1997-99, and only Mark Martin did that before in 1995, before the advent of the plates. This is one of the best years anybody's had this decade... Maybe part of it is him winning too much but I think more of the hate people have for him has to do with media hype than what he's done himself (which I think also explains most of Jeff Gordon's late '90s hate, and most of Kyle Busch's hate also...if the media stopped caring about and hyping the relevance of Kyle's Xfinity/truck wins, how much less would people hate him?) 747. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "before the advent of the plates" Sorry, SINCE the advent of the plates. 748. MAR posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) All the logano hate is stupid all of the logano doubters from 09-12 feel like shit now that logano is out there whipping the competition weekly I was one of the few that said Gibbs will regret letting logano go and 3 years later Gibbs is seeing this. As far as logano being critized as not being good let me remind people penske was a one man show for years he could hardly get both cars running good until logano came. So give Joey credit he can flat out drive and people can't stand him cause they won't admit they we're wrong about him Gibbs never gave Joey equipment as good as Denny or Kyle but I appreciate Penske for giving Joey and Brad equal equipmen. As for Matt I officially don't respect him no more he's being out ran by the kid he replaced and he's upset about it he's a complete joke and a sore loser and a wanna be good guy who is a jerk never got along with Edwards and had a petty incident with Gordon at Bristol years ago I hope logano goes out and wins Texas and in dominating fashion to shut the haters up. 749. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR not having a playoff during the first half of his career" Reading this made me realize that Jeff Gordon has run more of his career with the Chase than without. Time sure flies. 750. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think with Jeff while him being an outsider was a factor, he simply won to much. I mean he got to 50 wins in I want to say like 232 starts. That's insane and I don't think anyone will come close to matching that." Between 1995-2001, Gordon won 56 times in 231 races(.242 win%), 133 Top 5's(.575 Top 5%) Won 4 Championships with a razor's edge loss to Terry Labonte in 1996, won the most races 5 years in a row(1995-99), dominated the most races in a season 5 times in 7 years and won on every variety of track under every conceivable condition. Arguably the best and most dominant Prime in any drivers career. 751. Eric posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Schroeder51, You can't compare the cheering of Jeff Gordon when he wrecked in the 1990's to when Joey wrecked today due to Matt although both were outsiders. There is a big difference between the 2. I didn't remember Jeff's family actually doing the behavior as Joey's Dad, Tom Logano has done in the past. The type of behavior Joey's dad done in the past and currently isn't helping matter because the fans think Joey is wimp off the track since Joey should standing to his own battles at the age of 25. Remember Tom Logano in the past way warned by NASCAR by doing stuff like shoving a tv broadcaster all the way. Tom Logano even once gave Greg Biffle a threatening gesture. Joey Crew Chief matter of fact had to control Joey's dad today. The fact is Joey's dad almost did more bad behavior today without the crew stopped him. If Joey's crew didn't stop his dad, Tom Logano appeared like he was going a push a person or go after another person for that matter. That along shows Tom Logano is part of who Joey is hated so much. Joey's dad in the past had been warned by NASCAR to knock off with his bad behavior. Matt Kenseth last week on the radio to his crew at Talladega basically said Joey's dad does Joey's battles off the track. There had been other drivers in the past have said the same about Joey's Dad, Tom including Kevin Harvick. Having a dad the supports you is one thing, but the actions of Joey's dad is something you unfortunately expect out a soccer mom or a parent at a little league baseball game. Remember there had people on the news for parents doing bad behavior during games that their sons or daughter play in that including attacking other people. 752. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @748 I really don't think Joey's struggles at Gibbs was because he wasn't getting the best equipment. I've never bought into that argument it's about as laughable as when people say Johnson gets all the "cheater cars"/ good equipment at HMS which is why he wins. However, I do think the Joey and Zippy combination was the real problem there. I don't think Zippy adjusted well to the COT and when you get a Crew Cheif who isn't 100% suer about what he's doing anymore and a young driver you're gonna get a mess. Joey was actually having a pretty good year at JGR in 2012 until the rumors about him loosing his ride started. Looking back I think getting Ratcliff was when things began to click for Joey and had he stayed at JGR with Ratccliff as his Crew Chief he would of started to have the success he is currently having at Penske. 753. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "He looked like a failure at Homestead" Wait a minute, Homestead!? I meant he looked like a failure at Gibbs, LOL! How did I get that mixed up...? But that point still stands; I think the reasons why Logano struggled as a Gibbs driver, in hindsight are that A. He was rushed into Cup really early when he probably should've been given a couple of years in the then-Nationwide Series first and B. He never quite got the support he needed there. He always seemed to be the bottom rung at Gibbs during his time there, and I don't think that was a coincidence... Regardless of what you think of him, Logano has definitely arrived by now and served notice that he's gonna be a major threat in the years to come...much to many fans' chagrin, I'm certain. 754. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 11th runner up finish of McMurray's career. While I was much happier to see Gordon win today, I hope he can translate this good run into a win in the near future. 755. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 11th runner up finish of McMurray's career. While I was much happier to see Gordon win today, I hope he can translate this good run into a win in the near future. 756. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 11th runner up finish of McMurray's career. While I was much happier to see Gordon win today, I hope he can translate this good run into a win in the near future. 757. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What the????? Sorry about that. 758. Schroeder51 posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #751 That I agree with, Tom Logano has shown quite a tendency to be the stage dad in certain situations. I fully understand him loving his son and wanting to protect him...but Joey is a fully-grown adult by now. Tom, your son is old enough to fight his own battles now. You don't NEED to jump in there to help him. Honestly, I kind of thought we were done seeing him try to jump to Joey's defense, but after today, I guess not... 759. murb posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "This is one of the best years anybody's had this decade" Probably THE best year anyone's had this decade, right? I can't really think of any other years where someone has been this consistently good and won on such a wide variety of tracks, along with stepping it up late in the year. The only ones that really come close are Hamlin's 2010 and Kenseth's 2013, but each of those years had some negatives that sort of hindered them in the end (Hamlin's inconsistency and late season self-psych-out, and Kenseth pretty much throwing in the towel once Johnson got the upper hand). Of course the year's not over yet for Logano, but I think even at this point the consistency, the versatility, and the way he's ramped it up late in the year like this pretty much hands down makes this the best full season we've seen from anyone since... damn... Johnson in 2007 or 2009? 760. Eric posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not shocked what happened today. I am not surprised about the fans cheering Matt Kenseth. A lot of people hate Joey more than winning races like the behavior Joey's dad has done in the past and having a pit crew preventing the dad going out of control today speaks volumes in a negative light about the dad. The incident today can be placed on Brian France telling the media after the Kansas race that he liked Joey wrecking Matt Kenseth by calling it quintessential NASCAR. NASCAR needed to step in after last week at Talladega, but didn't like they did years ago with Geoff Bodine and Dale Earnhardt Sr. back in 1988. I saw Matt earlier in the race did a slight tap to Joey at Martinsville before Matt got wrecked before Matt got Joey a second time with Matt wrecking Joey. 761. typo posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To make Jeff's win bigger, Jeff is now 4th in All time NASCAR victories, with 98 (93 Cup, 5 xFintity). Tied for 5th with 97 is Darrel Waltrip (84 Cup, 13 xFinity) and Dale Earnhardt (76 Cup, 21 xFinity). 3rd is David Pearson (105 Cup) 2nd is Kyle with 152 (33 Cup, 75 xFinity, 44 Truck) and 1st is Obviously Richard Petty (200 Cup) 762. David posted: 11.01.2015 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I had to check my final four predictions from last week, haha... Anyway, my amended predictions for the other three drivers making it to Homestead are Logano (wins at Texas), Harvick (wins at Phoenix, because he has owned that place recently), and Truex. Just missing out on points will be Kyle Busch. 763. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "3rd is David Pearson (105 Cup) 2nd is Kyle with 152 (33 Cup, 75 xFinity, 44 Truck) and 1st is Obviously Richard Petty (200 Cup)" 201 for Petty. He won his first race in the Convertible division in Montreal. 106 for Pearson. He won a Busch race in the mid 80's. 764. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And I completely agree, the guy is 25 years old now, he isn't a little kid anymore. He doesn't need daddy fighting his battles for him, which is why its so ironic that he of all people called out Harvick that time for having his wife wear the firesuit while Tommy was running through the infield trying to get to Harvick. 765. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I brought this up during the race but of course everyone else was making so many comments so fast that it kind of got lost in the crowd if you will, but... Isn't Tom Logano banned from the infield after he tried to get in the middle of Joey and Newman(?) that time? If so, what will his punishment be? 766. Fireball1020 posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Martinsville did have a one-off night race in the Modifieds. I wonder how a night race at tracks such as Talladega, Pocono, Road America, and Sonoma would look like. 767. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @766 What year was that aforementioned night race? 768. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @765, Helicopter Dad had his hard card taken away for a couple months in '09 after going at Biffle in California. He got a warning the next year during the infamous Harvick incident at Pocono. I couldn't find any incidents of him being publicly suspended or reprimanded since, just a couple articles suggesting that Joey fight his own battles. 769. Ryan W posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "@713 Considering that we all know you're an Earnhardt fan, you have little room to talk about drivers wrecking people for the win." I wasn't talking about me, Dale Earnhardt, or Big Mac. I guess since I was and am a Dale Earnhardt fan I'm not allowed to make a comment at all. Excuse me, but more than likely most of you that commented wasn't even thought of during the late 70's, 80's, and early 90's. That or you weren't very old. All I was talking about was Kyle Petty referring to Matt Kenseth for deliberately taking out Logano when he took Allison out deliberately and calling Nascar a joke for what he did. Petty also acted like a jerk towards Bobby Hillin in the '93 500 when they wrecked and Hillin couldn't even see where his hood was covering his windshield up and couldn't see. I'm sorry I just have a problem with Kyle calling people out for things that he did as well. "Just my opinion but I have much less of a problem when it's for the win than I do with what Kenseth did. That being said 713's comments are off. Kyle wrecking Davey in the All Star race is nowhere in the same zip code of what happened today." Oh so it's ok to wreck someone coming to the checker deliberately and about kill someone, but it's not ok at a short track for retaliation? It was ok that Allison had to go to the hospital? That's like saying it's Ok to call a holding call in the 2nd quarter, but it's ok to let it go in the 4th. "@720 That was my point. The guy had a problem with Kyle crashing Davey for the win, which I view as fine and not like today's incident, but he cheers for Earnhardt which is a huge double standard if you ask me." I cheered for Earnhardt. He gave me something to look forward to every Sunday (some Saturday's), even the people that didn't like him it gave them something to look forward to. A lot of you weren't alive or old enough to appreciate what that was like to live that whether if you were for him or against him. I had a problem with Kyle calling people out when he did similar things. Earnhardt didn't call anyone out. He did Ricky Rudd one time at N. Wilkesboro when he was in hot pursuit of a 6th championship. Earnhardt didn't do anything to Rudd to merit that like Logano did to Kenseth (although I feel like Kenseth opened himself up to getting spun by Logano). I didn't complain about Dale getting bumped by Mayfield at Pocono that time in 2000. I looked at it as him having a good day in the points and being competitive and being able to save that car like he did. Most people would have ended up in the wall. "@722 He probably just thinks what Dale did was hard racing where's Kyle dumped Davey lol" Dale raced hard. That's what people liked about him. He raced bullet proof cars during the 70's and 80's and could race more aggressive. When areodynamics played a bigger part in the late 80's into the 90's he couldn't race as aggressive (although at times he still did). So many people assume that Dale was dirty every single race, that he won half of his 76 races by "wrecking someone" or "cheating". Get in the trenches of it and do some true research before just automatically assuming that he won half of his races by being "dirty" or "unclean". Most of his career he didn't have top equipment like some teams. In his 7 championships, 1987 was the only year that he really had the top cars or was overwhelmingly better (some Elliott fans feel Bill had the best car for the last quarter of that season). in '80 Cale had better cars and so did Baker along with Waltrip. In 86, Waltrip, Richmond, and Elliott had better cars. In 90 I feel like he may have had the best cars slightly, but the 6 was really consistent. In '91 the 28 team had really good cars and who could forget Harry Gant's run that year? In '93 and '94 the 2 team had the best cars along with the 28 team and Hendrick wasn't far behind (I'm not saying Allison or Irvan would have defeated him because they were both behind him in the points standings when their accidents happened, but they had better cars), however, he was the best driver and could get the most out of his cars that he had and could easily turn a 15th place car into a 5th place car (See '94 Brickyard 400 after he hit wall on first lap as an example). If he started losing spots due to a ill-handling car he wouldn't give up or just throw in the towel like a lot of drivers do today and a lot of times he had poor qualifying runs and would be in the top 5 before green flag stops would occur. "I seem to remember posting on older races that Earnhardt was NOT a dirty driver in the slightest, that his team never once cheated, etc. He does have a huge amount of knowledge about Dale's legendary career and his life, which I respect...but methinks he is maybe just a TAD too fanatical about his all-time favorite driver..." He was aggressive and raced hard. There were a lot of other drivers before him that were dirty or raced every lap like it was their last. You either loved or hated him (especially if you were a Ford guy)... And yes I do have a lot of knowledge of Dale and even a lot of other drivers and stats off the top of my head, but that's from watching, reading, and being blessed with a great memory. I'll take that as a compliment. I back my driver. "People like to think what Dale Sr. did to DW at Richmond (which was also for the win) was the norm back in the day. Newsflash to them it wasn't..." Although I agree that Dale did deliberately put Waltrip in the wall, I don't have a problem with it (I'm sure ridicule will come, but as usual I don't care). I don't believe Dale cared that he took Waltrip and himself out considering most of the field was several laps down besides the top 5. At the time Waltrip was the defending champion and was doing his best to get in Earnhardt's head and his team's head because he knew he was going to have to deal with him for the championship. Darrell had stayed on Earnhardt and RCR in the media about how they were stupid and illiterate. Waltrip said in the media a week before the race after Daytona, "You can say what you want about Earnhardt and RCR in the paper because the whole team wouldn't even be able to read it anyways. Earnhardt has a 10th grade education and he's the smartest of the bunch." There was more there that met the eye at the time. Even in the movie "3" Earnhardt told Dale, Jr. that he was going to a military academy because of the things Waltrip and his team said about them being dumb. Although I know the movie had some ficition in it, that part of the movie was true and real. Did that merit Dale to hook Waltrip? Not sure, but if you look at their stats after this race it's unreal to how many more wins and titles Dale had over Waltrip. In wins it was 61-17 and titles it was 6-0 in Dale's favor of course. That wreck and race was an obvious game changer. Bobby Allison once said if someone wrecks you, you have to retaliate back or they'll runover you for the rest of your life (who would know better with his rivalries with Petty, Yarborough, and Waltrip). Although I personally didn't have a problem with what happened at Kansas, Kenseth is doing his best to make sure that that doesn't happen again and that Logano needs to show more respect in the garage. 770. Alex posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @763 Richard Petty's Convertible win came at Columbia in 1959. Never mind those West Series races at Phoenix Richard won back when that series and Cup had the same rules package. 771. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anyone want to be what lap Harvick get punted on?" It looks like I was quite wrong, it was Logano and it was on lap 453. 772. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Probably THE best year anyone's had this decade, right?" I'd say that Harvick last year and Edwards in 2011 were better. Remember, Logano went through a good stretch of races in the spring and early summer where he was either good early in the race and faded late or just completely irrelevant. Harvick last year was one of the best cars on the track each and every week and the only thing that stopped him from winning races in the double digits was his pit crew. And then of course Edwards had one of the greatest and most consistent seasons of the modern era in 2011 only to have Tony Stewart go on fire during the chase and win the championship. 773. Thomas posted: 11.01.2015 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A good comparison for Kenseth's actions today is (somewhat ironically) Jeff Gordon's actions at Phoenix in 2012 when Gordon exacted payback on Clint Bowyer. What a lot of people forget about that incident was the Bowyer actually had a chance at the championship before Gordon (who was in the Chase, but out of contention) took him out. I pulled up a YouTube video of that incident to check, the scroll on the screen at the moment of the wreck showed Bowyer 28 points behind Keselowski, only 8 points behind Johnson. After Gordon's payback Bowyer left Phoenix 52 points behind Keselowski and eliminated from the championship battle. Keselowski still would have won the championship, but the margain would have been smaller. Gordon drew a large fine, a moderate points penalty, and probation. I'd expect similar for Kenseth. 774. BMan0213 posted: 11.01.2015 - 10:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @772 Harvick's season last year wan't really that amazing, The Chase just makes it look that way. He had a lot of problems earlier in the year. Sure a lot of them weren't his fault but that's part of the game. IMO 2014 wasn't even his best season this decade. That would be 2010 which I feel is one of the two seasons (the other being Jeff in 07) where the Chase really did rob someone of the championship. I guess you can make the argument for Carl's season in 2011, but I have a hard time giving him the nod do to the fact he only had on win that year. 775. Ryan W posted: 11.01.2015 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I seem to remember posting on older races that Earnhardt was NOT a dirty driver in the slightest, that his team never once cheated, etc." Find me a credible source where Earnhardt and his team "cheated" and Nascar fined him/team points or a considerable amount of money. 776. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.01.2015 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Kenseth pulled some Texas 2011/Phoenix 2012 shit here. Absolutely disgusting! I don't understand how a majority of the "fanbase" (I'm referring to social media like Facebook and Youtube) can be for crap like that. 777. Lucstar88 posted: 11.01.2015 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Well... A lot of NASCAR fans are classless so.... They cried because DALE JR didn't win last week. I'm a Dale fan, and he just came up short. The end. Would really enjoy it for Logano to say screw JGR and goes on to win the title. The team he got kicked out from, who as a powerhouse haven't won since 2005. 778. someone posted: 11.01.2015 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Harvick's season last year wan't really that amazing, The Chase just makes it look that way. He had a lot of problems earlier in the year. Sure a lot of them weren't his fault but that's part of the game. IMO 2014 wasn't even his best season this decade. That would be 2010 which I feel is one of the two seasons (the other being Jeff in 07) where the Chase really did rob someone of the championship. I guess you can make the argument for Carl's season in 2011, but I have a hard time giving him the nod do to the fact he only had on win that year." No, there is no doubt in my mind that Carl would've handily won the 2011 championship without the chase. Without the chase, he would've wound up 78 points ahead of second place Harvick (almost two full races). Also, Carl was definitely "experimenting" in the summer (I mean look at his results in the spring and fall, and compare them with his results in the summer), so you can't even use the "they would've raced differently" excuse against Carl, because if anything Carl would have had even better results. 779. Nu3clear Wa4le posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (3) (4) "What a dipshit move. Going for the win in the heat of the moment is one think. Destroying two cars with a vendetta while laps down is another. Dumb moves like that almost put Brad K in the stands at Atlanta a few years ago." Tell me how that was, in your words, a dipshit move? It's called payback. You're called RaceFanX for a reason. You should know everything about racing. Matt did what anybody else in his position would've done, and everybody hates Logano. Go cry somewhere else, asshole. 780. Sean posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) I do believe on the Internet you'll find someone who hates anyone, no matter how saintly, and find someone who likes anyone, no matter how heinous. And while Logano was wrong, Kenseth was more wrong. And you know it's bad when Logano, Harvick, and Kenseth are suddenly making the Busch brothers look like the 'clean superstars' in comparison... 781. Anonymous posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (7) "Tell me how that was, in your words, a dipshit move? It's called payback. You're called RaceFanX for a reason. You should know everything about racing. Matt did what anybody else in his position would've done, and everybody hates Logano. Go cry somewhere else, asshole." You must be one of "those" fans whose only knowledge of NASCAR comes from driving backwards on NASCAR Thunder 2003. Don't try to justify Kenseth's classlessness by saying "anybody would have done it" because it's flat wrong. Kenseth and Kenseth only did it. Go back to your PS2, little boy. 782. racefangurl posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 690, none of the Roush drivers were that good today. Martinsville? Not a Roush track, as someone else mentioned. 783. Nu3clear Wa4le posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 781, PS2? What year are you in? Can I not simply speak my mind about this issue? All I'm saying is Logano got what was coming to him. I've been a Kenseth fan for years, and he's always been a calm and cool driver. Always consistent. Doesn't take anybody out. Then comes along a punk like Logano who thinks he can push around the big boys and get away with it (see Stewart in 2013, Harvick in 2010). Not gonna happen in this business. I'll bet Junior fans are happy though he got taken out. 784. JG24FanForever posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Since you guy's are talking the best seasons over the last 10 years, Jeff Gordon's 2007 has to be among the 3 best, if not the best. He had a Top 10 finish at EVERY race-track. His average finish of 7.3 is the best average finish since Dale Jarrett's all-conquering 1999 season's 6.8 average. He finished in the Top 4 in 11 consecutive races, followed by a streak of 10 consecutive Top 9 finishes and finished the season 11th or better in the last 11 races. He had an average finish of 5.1 in the Chase and his 30 Top 10's are a Modern record that likely will never be broken. Logano and Harvick both could have tied the record, this season, if it wasn't for misfortune. Gordon's 2007 saw him lock-up the title with 2 races to go, without the points reset, because he had a 400 point advantage after Texas, with only a max of 390 points available in the last 2 races. Gordon also finished in the top 12 a Modern record 32 times in 36 races. 785. 88&4Fan posted: 11.01.2015 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow, 900 comments last week and almost 800 this week. I agree with Long Shot (?, maybe it was Onion I honestly forget) who said that the comments section has gotten an upgrade the past few months. Obviously part of the reason why there have been so many comments the past few weeks are because of the stories during the race (the fustercluck of a finish at Talladega and Logano vs. Kenseth and Gordon winning today) but also the average intelligence level of the comments I think has definitely risen from at least my first few months on the website when there were thumbs down trolls, impersonator trolls, and Mister83. Of course there is/are still (a) troll(s) here who will not be named because I can't even keep track of all the different names (t)he(y) has/have used in the past two days... 786. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @776 Simple, because people loved who the victim was. Almost the same as when people were praising Alex Kennedy for taking out Kevin Swindell ON THIS SITE. 787. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 12:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) And I think Thomas was exactly right. Notice how Kenseth has been beginning to show his dark side since he joined Gibbs? Makes me wonder if Hamlin and Busch would be different if they raced for different owners. 788. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.02.2015 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) " I'll bet Junior fans are happy though he got taken out." Not this one. Intent wrecking, especially of this caliber is childish and sad, and Junior/Juniors crew/Harvick prevented him from advancing, not Logano. 789. Ryan W posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:09 am Rate this comment: (1) (5) Some of you guys wouldn't have made it in the old days. As I mentioned before pay backs, rivalries, different personalities and controversies built the sport. Matt Kenseth has been considered some what of a pushover for the duration of his career. Although what Kenseth did today was very controversial, he no longer is considered a pushover and the majority of fans absolutely applauded what he did today. "He didn't nudge you. He didn't bump you. He didn't shove you. No, he wrecked you. And wreckin, son, is racin." 790. David posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd like to take the opportunity to congratulate the Kansas City Royals on their World Series win tonight, in a game that is perhaps best described as "epic". 791. Ryan W posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Earnhardt, his old hunting buddy and friend Ned Yost won the World Series tonight as the manager of the Kansas Royals. Yost and Earnhardt met when Yost was an assistant for the Braves. Yost wears #3 in Earnhardt's honor. 792. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I guess since I was and am a Dale Earnhardt fan I'm not allowed to make a comment at all." lol, that's not what I meant. While I respect your opinion, for you to call '92 Charlotte intentional and brush off '99 Bristol as nothing seems like a double standard. But it's your opinion so I respect it, and I view Earnhardt as the best of the modern era as well. 793. Ryan W posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You must be one of "those" fans whose only knowledge of NASCAR comes from driving backwards on NASCAR Thunder 2003. Don't try to justify Kenseth's classlessness by saying "anybody would have done it" because it's flat wrong. Kenseth and Kenseth only did it. Go back to your PS2, little boy." I used to love playing the 2002 Nascar game because at Talladega and Daytona you could get a major run on someone by tapping the X button when you got in their draft. The sling shot was awesome. 794. Ryan W posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "lol, that's not what I meant. While I respect your opinion, for you to call '92 Charlotte intentional and brush off '99 Bristol as nothing seems like a double standard." But it was ok for Labonte to body slam Dale coming out of turn 4 coming to the white flag? Labonte went into turn 2 hard and drifted up the track and had to check up before Dale tapped him, but no one wants to look at those things except for the end result. Dissect a little more. And again, half mile racing versus 1.5 mile racing. Davey did nothing to deserve what Kyle did to him. He was injured and raced to a 4th place finish the next week. He didn't complain. One could argue that wreck cost him the million. 795. Schroeder51 posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Schroeder why do you torture yourself by observing the comments section on NASCAR.com & Youtube" Because I guess I'm just a sado-masochist...or something. I know full well I'm going to encounter "those" fans there, and yet I still find myself glancing at them from time. Maybe I need my head examined? "And yes I do have a lot of knowledge of Dale and even a lot of other drivers and stats off the top of my head, but that's from watching, reading, and being blessed with a great memory. I'll take that as a compliment. I back my driver." Like I said I DO respect your knowledge of Earnhardt and the sport in general, but it DOES get kind of old seeing how seemingly 95% of your comments tout Dale's greatness...I mean, we all KNOW Dale was one the greatest to drive in NASCAR. I consider myself a big Gordon fan (and always have been since I was small) but I won't go so far as to praise him every opportunity I get... "Matt Kenseth has been considered some what of a pushover for the duration of his career. Although what Kenseth did today was very controversial, he no longer is considered a pushover and the majority of fans absolutely applauded what he did today." I respect your opinion but personally, I just can't see how Kenseth's actions are laudable. I'd much rather see drivers settle their differences in the garage area after the race than play warrior and trash each other's cars on the track. I'm not a big fan of "heat-of-the-moment" reactions like that. I WILL readily admit I would have never made it as a NASCAR driver back in the olden days though when those types of incidents were much more common! Also based on the fan responses on Youtube and such, I'm still tempted to think the reason Kenseth got such a positive reaction from the crowd is because they can't stand Logano and wanted to see someone stuff him in the wall... Think about it, if it had been Junior who he'd had a beef with and shoved into the wall, do you REALLY think the fans would be applauding Matt for standing up for himself? HELL no, they wouldn't. As BMan0213 pointed out, if it had been Junior instead of Joey, I'm pretty sure they would've been calling for his blood... 796. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2015 - 3:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As BMan0213 pointed out, if it had been Junior instead of Joey, I'm pretty sure they would've been calling for his blood..." Yup just look at Kyle. Some of his hate still comes from the 2008 Richmond Spring race lol. 797. Scott B posted: 11.02.2015 - 4:43 am Rate this comment: (3) (2) If NASCAR punishes Matt Kenseth but not Danica Patrick after this race, I'm going to have a problem with that. Just so all y'all know. 798. nascar_vd / racing-reference.info posted: 11.02.2015 - 4:50 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) Just one word: Congratulation !!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Jeff Gordon ! All the rest... 799. 88&4Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Yup just look at Kyle. Some of his hate still comes from the 2008 Richmond Spring race lol." Oh, I think Kyle has given people more than enough reasons to hate him over the years, sure there may be SOME of "those" Jr fans who still hate him for that but I think most of them, like me, hate him for all the other crap he's pulled. I was mad about that race for a little while but to tell the truth it really didn't affect what I thought of Kyle since by that point I already didn't like him after his tantrum at Texas in 2007. And the year that I REALLY started to not like him (some of which I still haven't completely forgiven him for coughHornadaycough) was 2011 when it seemed like every other week he was intentionally wrecking someone, picking a fight with a lower level driver, whining about finishing second in a lower series race, going for a joyride on the highway, you name it. 800. Truexfan78 posted: 11.02.2015 - 7:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) In honor of being the 800th commenter.... CONGRATS JEFF!!!!!! 801. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 11.02.2015 - 8:27 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) A couple of Logano fans sat in my area yesterday. The consensus among the sober ones was that Joey had it coming and deserved it. 802. JP88 posted: 11.02.2015 - 10:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I was super shocked but I had no problem with what Kenseth did. It was Martinsville so nobody is going to go flying in the grandstands and don't you think Logano should of been a little more cognizant of the situation? He had to have that in the back of his head, but yeah Kenseth needed to stand up for himself. Joey has 2 races left to win and I'm sure he will get one of them and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Penske cars, if eliminated, take out Carl or Kyle to make sure Gibbs doesn't win the title. 803. Nathan8848 posted: 11.02.2015 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) " Asked on pit road after the race if he would be racing next week at Texas if he had done the same thing as Kenseth on Sunday, Busch simply said, "Nope." Dang. Kyle is becoming a lot better person, no matter what people admit. 804. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dang. Kyle is becoming a lot better person, no matter what people admit." I don't think that's Kyle being a better person. I think that's him going tongue and cheek and saying NASCAR plays favorites and if it was him who did that he'd be parked, which sadly is probably true 805. Chives5150 posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) I especially liked this little soundbite from Kyle: "It's boys being boys right now. You got to be consistent. I definitely feel NASCAR is very consistent in being inconsistent on calls," he said. 'I think it's 'BS.'" 806. Nathan8848 posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) None the less, Kyle has improved in his personality and attitude. 807. Cornys posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 3 intentional wrecks in 2 weeks. Two in this race. Sad times in the Cup Series. 808. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) I'll keep this short and sweet so it doesn't take up anyones time and i may loss my credibility with some of you. 1. Matt Kenseth is classless. I honestly thought Matt would be above something like that but i was wrong. A classless driver and a classless champion. 2. Joey handled the situation like a true champion. The "complete coward" comment was justified. 3. Does Jeff Gordon want it or what? That is the Jeff Gordon of the 90's. 4. AJ Allmindinger drove his @$$ off in complete crap equipment and came close too winning the whole thing. 5. JamieMac..... so close yet so far. "Honestly, the thing that disturbed me most of all upon thinking about it more was the fans cheering Kenseth taking Logano out. I think that pisses me off more than anything either driver did." This pretty much. I guess the neanderthals followed NASCAR too Martinsville. I guess this fanbase doesn't care about respect or credibility. People threw stuff at him at CMS, threw stuff at him at Dega and cheer him when he gets wrecked. What more needs too be said about this fanbase and future of it? Can someone answer this for me because i can not. I do not mean too generalize but i think "benefit of the doubt" no longer applies. 809. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @808 have nothing wrong with what you said, but I hope if you think that about Kenseth you also think the same of Jeff being he did the exact same thing just a few years ago. 810. 88&4Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Four in three weeks, if we go back to Kansas. 811. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2015 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) A major difference between Matt Kenseth yesterday and Jeff Gordon in 2012: Jeff didn't deny it. 812. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2015 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@808 have nothing wrong with what you said, but I hope if you think that about Kenseth you also think the same of Jeff being he did the exact same thing just a few years ago." I'm not condoning what Jeff did then either. Clint wrecked Jeff a few times that year and Jeff had had enough. Matt is acting Joey committed some serious offense and has taken it personally. Matt was blocking and Joey wasn't taking it anymore. 5 laps too go gloves come off. You block you deserve too get dumped. And Joey didn't demolish Matts car either in the first one. Matt had 2 races too win and get didn't get it done. Blaming Joey is petty too say the least. Joey is no saint but Matt is coming across as petty here. 813. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2015 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @812. Don't really see any difference in the two. People act like Bowyer wrecked Jeff in every race that year. Truth is Clint never wrecked Jeff at all. At Martinsville Clint was punted into Jeff by Newman something everyone seems to forget. I think they had another run in at like Bristol but again no wreck. Then at Phoenix they made contact that cut Jeff's tire down again no wreck, it was just hard racing. While I agree Matt overreacted you have to admit Jeff did do. Both drivers were on the wrong end of hard racing and both overreacted with their payback and crossed the line 814. Brad24 posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "2nd is Kyle with 152 (33 Cup, 75 xFinity, 44 Truck)" Not very impressive, particularly when the Xfinity and Truck series has been overpowered by Cup drivers who run for their fully-funded Cup owners whereas the drivers who are trying to prove themselves are running in bad, underfunded equipment. 815. Jim Davis posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Surely NASCAR can't claim that there is no "smoking gun" that proves the Kenseth/Logano incident was intentional and that therefore no action will be taken? I thought this a far-fetched position to take last week with Harvick but if NASCAR can't come to the conclusion the Kenseth/Logano incident was intentional I can't imagine what evidence they would need to conclude an incident *was* intentional. A notarized confession? I think NASCAR is going to be making a statement this week whether it intends to or not. I think the tipping point is Kenseth being parked for a race. Any punishment less than this is basically saying anything goes. How could they possibly take action against Logano if he were to stuff Busch and/or Edwards into the wall at Homestead? Their hands would be tied completely. I think NASCAR erred badly by not coming down on Harvick last week and this is the consequence. If Kenseth starts at Texas NASCAR is just asking for chaos at Homestead. I'm not a Brian France/NASCAR basher but I think a line in the sand must be drawn here. 816. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @815 Call me crazy but I don't think what Harvick did last week and what Kenseth did are comparable. Harvick did it for lack of better words perfectly. Sure he probably did it on purpose but when when you look at the tape how do you not know he mistimed a block. There's not there that shows he intended to wreck the field and if you can't prove that's what he was trying to do you can't penalize him for it. Kenseth meanwhile is almost exactly what Jeff did at Phoenix. You can tell by just watching the video he intended to wreck Joey. As for what happens to Kenseth, the biggest looser no matter what will be NASCAR. If they park him for next week they will have to deal with everyone saying the only thing they are consistent at is being inconsistent as they didn't park Jeff for the exact same thing in 2012. If they just fine Kenseth and put him on probation you send the message that it's ok to just flat out wreck another driver. They can't win no matter what they choose to do. 817. Cornys posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) I think the garage area is fed up with NASCAR. "One attempt at a GWC" followed by "That doesn't count as an attempt. They didn't cross the line." That' something you see on the play ground with children. So Harvick said screw it and crashed his way into the next round. No penalty. He denies it to the end. So Kenseth gets crashed out and decides to go take out Logano. He mocks NASCAR the whole time after the incident by saying his tire goes down. They are sick of the way that things are ran. Who wouldn't be? 818. Cornys posted: 11.02.2015 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I was in charge of penalties, any intentional crash would result in a 2 week suspension or worse. Causing any crash that works to your advantage (intentional or not) should result in a loss of that advantage. 819. Rockstar posted: 11.02.2015 - 2:17 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) In 2011, Kyle Busch was parked for the weekend after his incident with Hornaday but only because it was the numerous time his temper got the best of him. Other incidents included Harvick, Elliott Sadler, Joey Coulter and Richard Childress (I might be missing some, I just listed a few off the top of my head). Parking him was the best thing for NASCAR to do. In 2012, Gordon wrecked Bowyer and lost points and was put on probation. The difference between Gordon and Busch was that was the only incident Gordon was in unlike Busch who raged all throughout 2011. I'm not a Kenseth fan but he should get the Gordon treatment. Lose some points and money go on probation. If this continues from Kenseth then he should get a bigger punishment like a suspension. It's too early now to get something severe like a race suspension. 820. Lucstar88 posted: 11.02.2015 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @819 Being docked points when your ineligible for the title is hardly a penalty, just a little slap on the wrist. Kenseth didn't care for points, cause he just took out Logano. He doesn't care if he does get docked 25. You really can't compare the Gordon one and the Kenseth one. Gordon took out a title contender, but who wasn't in the lead. Kenseth, not only took out the leader, but had he won, would've been off to Homestead. Had that been Jr, or Gordon being wrecked, all hell would break loose, but since Joey is the *Bad Boy* they cheer. Total hypocrisy. Heck, why is Logano hated? He wins too much? Yeah, he can be a d*** sometimes, but I liked him back in 2013, when he actually went after Hamlin for wrecking him, yeah the Auto Club accident was bad, but that was also failure of track security that impacted that wreck. NASCAR are in a bad spot. Harvick last week got away with it, and it will anger at least one part of the fanbase. Last time I checked, the ratings are down the toilet, and this chase isn't saving it. Gordon VS Kes last year didn't do anything to ratings, this won't either. The *Boys Have at It* can be looked in both ways, yeah, you can wreck someone who did you wrong, but there's a line to be crossed. Remember 2010 where payback went really bad and almost killed a driver? I don't think anybody here wants to see that happen. Props to Joey to kinda handle that WAY better than expected. 821. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Either way Kenseth officially shed his status of being Mark Martin's protégé with his actions yesterday. 822. Thomas posted: 11.02.2015 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has now said they're also investigating the incidents between the 10 and 38 yesterday and will consider penalties. Apparently over the radio she said she was meaning to take him out. That's a bigger smoking gun than anything involving the 4, 20, or 22 in recent weeks. 823. WinstonCupStandings posted: 11.02.2015 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1) Kevin Harvick (4904) -Leader 2) Joey Logano (4900) -4 3) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (4532) -372 4) Brad Keselowski (4476) -428 5) Martin Truex, Jr. (4369) -535 -Out 6) Denny Hamlin (4323) -581 -Out 7) Jimmie Johnson (4284) -620 -Out 8) Matt Kenseth (4210) -694 -Out 9) Carl Edwards (4146) -758 -Out 10) Jeff Gordon (4126) -778 -Out 824. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2015 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Slightly new format for the comments pages, I see. ATM it's not working properly for me, but I like the concept. 825. WinstonCupStandings posted: 11.02.2015 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't blame Logano for what he did two weeks ago (or Kenseth for yesterday) but he HAD to know the risk of it coming back to him, he figured (as i) Kenseth was too much of a sportsman/pushover to do anything about it...and he figured wrong. (surprised the f**k out of me Lol) 826. Cornys posted: 11.02.2015 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think it would be awesome to see Logano and BK miss the "Championship" only to dominate Homestead. 827. Anonymous posted: 11.02.2015 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If NASCAR punishes Danica Patrick but not Matt Kenseth after this race, I'm going to have a problem with that. Just so all y'all know." Fixed. 828. Daniel posted: 11.02.2015 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon was faster than anyone. 829. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 11.02.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) As someone who has no allegiances in NASCAR, am I the only one who finds Logano's comments about Kenseth just plain wrong? A coward wouldn't dare go for payback by definition. A brave/stupid person would though. Logano should look through a dictionary next time (there will probably be a next time) and find a suitable insult before throwing one out there. 830. Scott B posted: 11.02.2015 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #827- Yeah, I'd actually have a problem with that, too, if it did happen. I just don't think they'd make an example of Danica and let Matt off the hook. The other way around seemed more likely to me. NASCAR said they are reviewing both incidents. We should know tomorrow. 831. Eric posted: 11.02.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think there needs to be some type of a punishment for Danica Patrick. Danica has a history with David before going into Martinsville, and you can't just call it short track racing as a result. The smoking gun for Matt isn't the same as Danica Patrick. Danica was wrong by her chief not to go after David. Danica also saying the team radio about wanting payback and this is something NASCAR can't cover up. If they don't give Danica any punishment, there is going to be an uproar on some racing websites since Matt is going to be punished. 832. BMan0213 posted: 11.02.2015 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lets be honest... Nothing is gonna happen to Danica because shes Danica... It also helps she did it to a back marker like Gilliland. I honestly think NASCAR doesn't give a rats ass about that incident. Many she'll get a small fine because she said she was trying to wreck him, but it's gonna much less than what Kenseth gets. 833. JG24FanForever posted: 11.02.2015 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "A coward wouldn't dare go for payback by definition. A brave/stupid person would though. Logano should look through a dictionary next time (there will probably be a next time) and find a suitable insult before throwing one out there." As i've already stated in this comment section: Kenseth is being a chickenshit for not owning up to it. Be a man about it, when you wanna get at somebody. Don't crash somebody on purpose, only to pretend it was a blown tire. 834. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Why do people think that this is "Old School NASCAR?" Lapped cars ramming the leader into the wall isn't old - School NASCAR, it's NASCAR Thunder NASCAR." Even though it wasn't for position, this sport has had intentional wrecks and tempers flaring since the beginning. Heck, the fight and wreck at Daytona in 1979 was what put it on the map. Old school NASCAR indeed. 835. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They are sick of the way that things are ran. Who wouldn't be?" Considering fans wanted "boys have at it" it doesn't surprise me that NASCAR is letting this stuff happen only too get bashed afterword. BTW i do not know why you are defending a bunch of crybabies who can not do restarts properly and ran too NASCAR too have them police it only b***h when it does not go their way. They have no room too complain, since they are acting like 5th graders too begin with. "Heck, why is Logano hated? He wins too much? Yeah, he can be a d*** sometimes, but I liked him back in 2013, when he actually went after Hamlin for wrecking him, yeah the Auto Club accident was bad, but that was also failure of track security that impacted that wreck." When you win too much NASCAR fans turn their back on you. Just ask Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon. 836. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @824, Okay, I'm completely lost here, what's different? I believe you Long Shot but I can't figure out what the change is. 837. Roger posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of "old school", on this day in 1979.... A Dukes of Hazzard episode called "The Dukes Meet Cale Yarborough" first aired on CBS. 838. Scott B posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Curtis Turner is going into the NASCAR Hall of Fame this year. He wreck you for the win, wreck you if he was laps down, or wreck you if you were laps down... didn't matter much, if you got him riled up. 839. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Asked on pit road after the race if he would be racing next week at Texas if he had done the same thing as Kenseth on Sunday, Busch simply said, "Nope." I wonder what the crowd reaction would be if it was the 18 that turned the 22 into the wall. Considering that the fans like neither of them, it would probably be a lesser of two evils situation and with the current events the lesser would probably be Kyle. 840. 88&4Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If NASCAR punishes Danica Patrick but not Matt Kenseth after this race, I'm going to have a problem with that. Just so all y'all know." Fixed." Why would you fix a comment that didn't need to be fixed? 841. 88&4Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BluesTravelerFan- the change is that comments are now separated into 500 comment pages. I kind of like it, takes the pages less time to load. 842. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2015 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BluesTravelerFan- the change is that comments are now separated into 500 comment pages. I kind of like it, takes the pages less time to load." This format isn't working for me at all. I can only see the first 500 comments, nothing after that no matter what I click. 843. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This format isn't working at all. I can only see the first 500 comments, nothing after that no matter what I click." Same. It's a good idea, but it needs to be fixed first. 844. Roger posted: 11.02.2015 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All links work fine for me. I don't recall seeing the "View All on One Page" earlier today at first but that seems to put things back the way they were. Maybe it's different if you're using a phone, I'm at a PC. 845. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2015 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe it's different if you're using a phone, I'm at a PC." As am I. This is very strange. 846. 88&4Fan posted: 11.02.2015 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am also using a PC... and now the page options have disappeared. 847. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2015 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I am also using a PC... and now the page options have disappeared." The webmaster said when I e-mailed him that he's reverting back to the old system until he can figure out the problem. 848. Canadianfan posted: 11.02.2015 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm using a Kobo tablet and it seems to be working alright. 849. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.02.2015 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh so that's why it was doing that... 850. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.02.2015 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well on pages like the 2012 Ford 400 it would probably be a great idea but I'm not so sure we need it otherwise. It's worth trying though. 851. Roger posted: 11.02.2015 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @850: Funny you mention that because the new style is still on that particular 2012 race page but doesn't seem to be anywhere else now that I've found. It had over 3,000 comments! 852. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.02.2015 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah I know! I've never been able to actually read most of the comments for that race because every time I scroll even a tiny bit it ends up skipping like 100 comments! It would awesome for that. 853. David posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) For what it's worth: http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2015/11/2/jeff-gordon-dan-patrick-show-reaction-joey-logano-matt-kenseth-wreck.html Jeff Gordon is apparently siding with Kenseth in this deal. 854. The Long Shot posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Funny you mention that because the new style is still on that particular 2012 race page but doesn't seem to be anywhere else now that I've found. It had over 3,000 comments!" Yeah, webmaster is keeping the format over there to test his bug fixes. Which appear to have mostly worked from my end so far. 855. Ryan W posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Like I said I DO respect your knowledge of Earnhardt and the sport in general, but it DOES get kind of old seeing how seemingly 95% of your comments tout Dale's greatness...I mean, we all KNOW Dale was one the greatest to drive in NASCAR. I consider myself a big Gordon fan (and always have been since I was small) but I won't go so far as to praise him every opportunity I get..." I usually don't mention Dale unless someone says something about him degrading him. In this case Big Mac brought him up when I was talking about Kyle Petty calling out Kenseth. So I wasn't talking about Dale at all. SOMEONE else brought him up. You're assuming I talk about about Dale 95% of the time like people think that he won 95% of his races by knocking someone out of the way lol. And something else, I really don't get a lot of the hate Dale gets on here. "I respect your opinion but personally, I just can't see how Kenseth's actions are laudable. I'd much rather see drivers settle their differences in the garage area after the race than play warrior and trash each other's cars on the track. I'm not a big fan of "heat-of-the-moment" reactions like that. I WILL readily admit I would have never made it as a NASCAR driver back in the olden days though when those types of incidents were much more common! Also based on the fan responses on Youtube and such, I'm still tempted to think the reason Kenseth got such a positive reaction from the crowd is because they can't stand Logano and wanted to see someone stuff him in the wall... Think about it, if it had been Junior who he'd had a beef with and shoved into the wall, do you REALLY think the fans would be applauding Matt for standing up for himself? HELL no, they wouldn't. As BMan0213 pointed out, if it had been Junior instead of Joey, I'm pretty sure they would've been calling for his blood..." There's a lot of empty seats in the stands. You didn't see that during the 80s-90s (Dale factor along with rivalries with drivers and car makes), this is what Nascar wants.... I doubt Junior would have put himself in a position like that like Logano did. It's unfair to compare a situation that probably would never happen to something that DID happen. ""Why do people think that this is "Old School NASCAR?" Lapped cars ramming the leader into the wall isn't old - School NASCAR, it's NASCAR Thunder NASCAR." Even though it wasn't for position, this sport has had intentional wrecks and tempers flaring since the beginning. Heck, the fight and wreck at Daytona in 1979 was what put it on the map. Old school NASCAR indeed." Now Big Mac I do agree with you on that. Again, as I have said the sport was built on rivalries, controversy, wrecks, and different personalities. The "Perfect storm" race at Daytona in 1979 took the sport nationally from regionally. The '86 Richmond race with Dale hooking Waltrip also kept the sport going and took it to another level. 856. David posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also based on the fan responses on Youtube and such, I'm still tempted to think the reason Kenseth got such a positive reaction from the crowd is because they can't stand Logano and wanted to see someone stuff him in the wall" Like Schroeder said, the general consensus on NASCAR.com yesterday was that Logano had it coming to him. I was there yesterday while watching the press conferences of Alan Gustafson and Steve O'Donnell, and I can confirm that. 857. racefangurl posted: 11.02.2015 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Martinsville was tough on some of us, but Texas can be redemption. Speaking of Texas, perhaps Matt the Brat won't be racing at Texas due to NASCAR suspending him. Maybe Erik Jones will replace him. 858. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) A little late, but a guy on YouTube decided to make an alternate ending to the Talladega race if Harvick pulled off the track. I actually find it really good. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=okzmLesQmF8 859. Spen posted: 11.03.2015 - 8:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Backing up about 800 comments, per my usual, the driver closest to my town is one-time Cup starter Keith Lucas. Although Winston West driver (and one-time Cup DNQer) Dale Lee is about three miles closer. However, about an hour away from here is Keokuk, home of several notable drivers, including Dick Hutcherson, Ramo Stott, Don White, IMCA legend Ernie Derr, and although this site doesn't think so, Tiny Lund. And I believe the last driver to win in his (planned) final year was Cotton Owens, who won his penultimate race. As for Matt, I have a funny feeling that this will be the beginning of the end for Matt's competitive career, much like Texas 2010 was for Burton. It would also not shock me if Joey tries to seriously hurt him at Homestead. 860. Premium Doesn't Suck 62 66 94 98 posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates: #32 KeenParts.com/CorvetteParts.net/Breast Cancer Awareness #23 Rocky Ridge Custom Trucks/Estes (Estes was on the quarter panel) #16 Ford Signature Performance #55 Aaron's Dream Machine Online Version #42 Target/Axe Plaid #24 AARP Member Advantages/UnitedHealthCare/AARP Credit Cards 861. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 10:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good news is that the separate pages now work, and it's good because now my tablet won't crash like always after 500 comments. So thanks webmaster! 862. Smiff_2 posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This statement came today from "King Dipstick": "We don't want that to happen again," France said. "We don't want any of our events to be altered in a way they shouldn't be. What we want to prevent happening is drivers or any participant in NASCAR to take matters into their own hands and begin to control the outcome of races beyond hard racing. When that happens, that's a very serious thing for us. And we'll be dealing with that." GEE, WHERE THE F**K WERE YOU GUYS *LAST* WEEK, THEN???? 863. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Once again, being consistent at being inconsistent. While I agree with their statements for this race, they should have issued at least something after Talladega, even if there was no clear cut evidence as the ending was still fishy. 864. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This statement came today from "King Dipstick": "We don't want that to happen again," France said. "We don't want any of our events to be altered in a way they shouldn't be. What we want to prevent happening is drivers or any participant in NASCAR to take matters into their own hands and begin to control the outcome of races beyond hard racing. When that happens, that's a very serious thing for us. And we'll be dealing with that." GEE, WHERE THE F**K WERE YOU GUYS *LAST* WEEK, THEN????" Not a Brian France fan at all, but the Talladega incident wasn't nearly as obviously blatant as this one was. Nothing's been announced, but by the way in which France was talkng, I'd hazard a guess that Kenseth is likely (and deservedly) done for the year. 865. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nothing's been announced, but by the way in which France was talkng, I'd hazard a guess that Kenseth is likely (and deservedly) done for the year." They said the same crap about Gordon back in 2012 and he only got probation. I'd be shocked if he was suspended more than a race, and honestly I still think he'll only get probation. 866. JRacingFast posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kenseth gets parked that would have to be the most hpacritical thing NASCAR could go considering there the ones a few years ago that said "boys have at it" 867. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "If Kenseth gets parked that would have to be the most hpacritical thing NASCAR could go considering there the ones a few years ago that said "boys have at it"" Hypocritical, yes, but so is virtually every possible decision they could make in this scenario. I'll be pissed if they don't suspend him for at least a race; if they don't, what sort of precedent is that going to set for future incidents? "You'll be punished just as much for throwing your helmet at a car or for having an illegal part on your car as you would be for intentionally wrecking another driver at 100+ mph." Bullshit. There's a reason we don't see as many intentional wrecks as we used to: because the drivers have finally (mostly) realized that, oh wait, IT'S INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS AND STUPID. Why must NASCAR fans constantly look fondly back on that era of the sport and wish for it to return? "Yeah, let's have more wrecks and crashing because it entertains us! F*ck the chances of serious injury!" So, so stupid. 868. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.03.2015 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If Kenseth gets parked that would have to be the most hpacritical thing NASCAR could go considering there the ones a few years ago that said "boys have at it"" Here is the thing, fans wanted "boys have at it". Fans are getting what they wanted. Those people cheering when Joey got wrecked? That is what they want. NASCAR maybe hypocrites but so is Matt Kenseth and so are fans. "Why must NASCAR fans constantly look fondly back on that era of the sport and wish for it to return?" Because it was "better" remember? 869. Scott B posted: 11.03.2015 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) If NASCAR gives Kenseth a suspension, it won't be about the safety factor. It will be because he punted a rival to affect the outcome of the elimination playoff they're so proud of. 870. David posted: 11.03.2015 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Here's the thing: Kenseth wrecked the leader. And a dominant one at that. So NASCAR will probably come down harder on him than Gordon because Gordon didn't wreck the leader at Phoenix (though two other cars were taken out), whether that's fair or not. It's just my view of things. That said, I don't anticipate anything over a one-race suspension for Kenseth. 871. Smiff_2 posted: 11.03.2015 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What we want to prevent happening is drivers or any participant in NASCAR to take matters into their own hands and begin to control the outcome of races beyond hard racing." Which is exactly what Harvick did last week. Just like with what Kenseth did, we can all see exactly what transpired and can read between the lines, regardless of whether or not there's absolute proof or an admission. Also just like Harvick, Kenseth made a bunch of lame BS excuses. Seriously, Kenseth, just like Harvick the week before, *knows* that WE know exactly what he did...but doesn't have to admit anything. 872. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 1:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I really don't think Kenseth was making excuses. I mean, who would actually buy the "blew a tire" thing? I think he was just being a smart-ass, I've seen it before, even DW got in on it one time by saying that someone's "throttle hung" when they were shoving a driver down the straightaway after wrecking, forgot what race it was though. 873. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) All I have to say is if Kenseth gets suspended, Princess better be suspended as well since what she did was no different and in fact maybe even worse since she apparently said on the radio before ramming Gilly that she would do it. Harvick did that to Coy Gibbs in a truck race in 2002 and he was suspended, so if NASCAR lets her race then it just shows they are playing favorites again and honestly I wouldn't be surprised at all if they give her just a slap on the wrist. In fact I would be SHOCKED if she gets suspended like she deserves to be. 874. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 11.03.2015 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Honestly, I'm not sure if Kenseth was that peeved over Kansas. Sure, it left a bad taste in his mouth. I think it was Logano's arrogance in his interviews that ticked him off. Combine that with the Talladega incident and then getting caught up with another Penske car at Martinsville, he was done with it. It doesn't help matters that the 20 car has dominated the past month. Kenseth finally just snapped. 875. Smiff_2 posted: 11.03.2015 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) See, 88&4Fan, that's what I was getting at! lol Kenseth OBVIOUSLY knew we weren't buying it and delivered his excuses almost with a super slight grin. He was trolling lol. I guess what I was getting at was that Harvick pulled the kind of BS excuse making when he knew WE all knew he was full of it. Like Kenseth. 876. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Yeah Kenseth denying wrecking him and joking that a tire went down is the same as an actor breaking an object on purpose and then saying "Oops!" in the most fake way possible. 877. Mamorese posted: 11.03.2015 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR needs to grow up and actually start acting like a real sanctioning body. I think it's about time we put some real rules in place and release the rulebook to the public. "Boys have at it" is not something a real sanctioning body would say. What does that even mean from an "officiating" standpoint? Imagine the NFL saying "Boys have at it" in regards to helmet to helmet hits and hits on the QB. NASCAR needs to start fresh and set precedents going forward. Take the short term flak for being inconsistent with other rulings since 2004 and become consistent from this point onwards. It's funny, everyone keeps forgetting the team owners and sponsors in all of this. Given the current economic state, do you honestly think owners and sponsors want this sort of action to be condoned? These teams don't have the same budgets they did in the early 2000s. NASCAR has embarked on a multitude of cost cutting measures of the past decade, and allowing people to turn races into demolition derbies doesn't seem to fit that MO. I personally do not believe Kenseth should be suspended. Suspensions should be reserved for off the track conduct, cheating, and extreme circumstances on the track (ie wrecking a competitor under caution). This case of intentionally wrecking a driver is as blatant as it gets, however in other circumstances that line could become much more blurry. Best not to leave it to a judgment call. 878. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For anyone who is interested, hit ctrl+f and type in "Kenseth" just to see how often we were talking about him at different points during the race. 879. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also JRacingFast, just wondering are you the poster who used to go by DaleJrFan back in the site's early days? 880. Lucstar88 posted: 11.03.2015 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kenseth gets off lightly today. All bets are off. Everything and Anything goes. If so, someone WILL get intent wrecked at Homestead for the title, calling it. And if it's Gordon. We'll see a complete 180 of this situation. 881. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) "If Kenseth gets off lightly today. All bets are off. Everything and Anything goes. If so, someone WILL get intent wrecked at Homestead for the title, calling it. And if it's Gordon. We'll see a complete 180 of this situation." Yep. And if Junior had been the one in Logano's place the entire NASCAR fanbase would want Kenseth drawn and quartered. Fickle and hypocritical indeed. 882. Mamorese posted: 11.03.2015 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If everyone supposedly loves fighting so much, then why is the NFL, NBA, MLB, and even NHL to a lesser extent cracking down on it rather than promoting it? Have yet to see someone adequately answer this question When you see a brawl or dirty play in any other sport its denounced by the media, however in NASCAR its glorified. Strange. 883. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 11.03.2015 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Maybe that says all you need to know about NASCAR's fan base, and how why the sport is declining in popularity. Seriously. All the commercialism and the show element, and it still declines in popularity. After a long while, Indycar, with no real show element and any of this, is increasing in popularity. No surprise to me. I also have no idea why my comment was taken down. I was making a valid observation (intended as a joke, I guess the tone of voice I intended can't be projected over the internet :p), I'm sorry if I 'offended' anyone, but if I did, remember you chose to be offended, whilst I just made a comment, which I'm allowed to :D 884. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "If everyone loves fighting so much, then why is the NFL, NBA, MLB, and even NHL to a lesser extent cracking down on it rather than promoting it? Have yet to see someone adequately answer this question. When you see a brawl or dirty play in any other sport its denounced by the media, however in NASCAR its glorified. Strange." It's because NASCAR is a dying form of entertainment and fake "excitement" and drama is their Hail Mary of trying to reach relevance and they even admit it. Is it no wonder that a crash or fight is the only thing that makes headlines anymore? 885. Lucstar88 posted: 11.03.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has suspended 2 races. Probation for 6 months. Danica also gets 25 points and 50K 886. joey2448 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has suspended Matt Kenseth for TWO races, meaning he will sit out Texas and Phoenix. Also, Danica Patrick has been penalized 25 points and $50,000 and placed on probation for the rest of the year. 887. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has suspended Matt Kenseth for two races. In addition, Danica Patrick has been docked $50,000 and 25 points, being placed on probation for the remainder of the year. 888. murb posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) They just make all this up as they go along. 889. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""If everyone loves fighting so much, then why is the NFL, NBA, MLB, and even NHL to a lesser extent cracking down on it rather than promoting it? Have yet to see someone adequately answer this question." Keeping TV execs/sponsors happy and the $$ rolling in. I find it comical that they tried to add in the safety factor as an aside. Shouldn't that be the main factor in not intentionally wrecking people?!? 890. joey2448 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My first question is, what about Homestead? I mean, Kenseth could still come back and ruin Logano's chances at Homestead (even though I think that is beyond Kenseth's integrity). 891. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do not agree but i do not feel bad. 892. oldschoolracing519 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth parked for 2 races and placed on probation for the next 6 months 893. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "They just make all this up as they go along." Haven't we all learned that by now? Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out why they're only suspending him two races, either. NASCAR is milking this incident for all its worth (in ratings, that is). 894. Lucstar88 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JGR will appeal. 895. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "My first question is, what about Homestead? I mean, Kenseth could still come back and ruin Logano's chances at Homestead (even though I think that is beyond Kenseth's integrity)." That's EXACTLY why they didn't suspend him for Homestead. They want the storyline to carry over, that chance of one of the two starting something with the other. This is a ratings move at its finest. 896. oldschoolracing519 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "My first question is, what about Homestead? I mean, Kenseth could still come back and ruin Logano's chances at Homestead (even though I think that is beyond Kenseth's integrity). " with the probation if he does something he could be out of NASCAR. 897. murb posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "This is a ratings move at its finest." I can't wait for them to use that wreck in their next lame "I Pledge To ______ Nation" commercial. 898. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) to the people saying Matt could get Joey back again at Homestead, his probation carries into next year. It's not gonna happen. 899. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) NASCAR's become nothing more than a reality show now. Which makes the cancellation of NASCAR Wives a few years ago a little more ironic. 900. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Man they really dropped it on the 20 team. I'm at least happy they gave some sort of penalty to Danica, it at least shows that no one is invincible. THAT should have been the penalty handed to Kenseth imo. "They just make all this up as they go along." No kidding. Busch gets 1 race suspension, Gordon gets fined, Harvick gets nothing, Danica gets fined, and Kenseth gets a 2 race suspension? Can they ever make up their mind? But there is a reason why they're being inconsistent: They can't win regardless. If the drivers show no emotion, they will be accussed of being corporate robots. If they fight, they will be accussed of acting like rich manchildren with bumper cars. They can't win. But that said, they need to be consistent and choose something. 2 races?? WAY too harsh. 901. MAR posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Wow Matt got a two race suspension I didn't expect that but that's good for that sore loser. 902. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) "(even though I think that is beyond Kenseth's integrity)." After what Matt did, he does not have any integrity. Denny Hamlin referenced a "driver code" in his tweet. Drivers have no idea what a code is anymore. From restarts too what Matt did. Drivers now a days do not have a f***ing clue. 903. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "to the people saying Matt could get Joey back again at Homestead, his probation carries into next year. It's not gonna happen." Kenseth doesn't have to be the instigator. If Logano gets eliminated because of this, I wouldn't rule out him doing something to Kenseth on track if he got the chance. Which NASCAR has ensured he will. 904. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "This is a rating move at its finest." Bingo. The quote from post 862 means absolutely nothing now if they reinstate him for Homestead. Perfect timing! 905. Tide1032 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Josh Wise is a most possible drive to replace Kenseth in 2 Race Suspension. 906. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Amusing little link I found. http://bite.cool/penalty/ 907. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So I'm still waiting for this "big announcement" on the penalties... 908. joey2448 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) I know I said it's possible for Kenseth to take out Logano again at Homestead, but I seriously doubt Matt would go to THAT length. I mean, that would almost go against basic human ethics. By the way, Ricky Craven just NAILED the issue with a beautiful rant on ESPN. Paraphrasing what he said, "It's time to understand that this system isn't working." and "NASCAR basically gave drivers (Logano) a get-out-of-jail-free card when they win a race in the Chase", meaning Logano can go for broke knowing he automatically has a pass into the next round. He also said Brian France owes us an explanation and the penalty didn't solve the problem Go to ESPN to watch Craven's thoughts. It's worth it. 909. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Welcome to the 3 ring circus without the fun & excitement of a circus known as NASCAR 910. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Josh Wise is a most possible drive to replace Kenseth in 2 Race Suspension." Are you being serious... JGR already said it's Erik Jones if they don't win the appeal 911. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @908 I was just gonna post that. Ricky nailed it on there. It's nice to see someone in the media call them out on this point system. It's a joke. 912. Lucstar88 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The thing is. Logano isn't going to lay back for a rival organization to qualify to the next round. People who are saying *he didn't need to win* have to say the same thing about Jimmie winning Texas last year, and Junior winning Martinsville. That whole incident was mostly racing. Kenseth blocked, and they both went for the same piece of real estate. Also. Aren't we fans for the racing, not the intent wrecking we see? 913. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) I always liked Ricky Craven. Underrated driver, good broadcaster and analyst, and always spot on when it comes to controversy. Remember when he owned Bowyer after Spingate? 914. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Here's an idea Suspend Brian France from NASCAR for life 915. Cornys posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) 2 race penalty for crashing the leader of a race under green. 25 points and $50,000 for crashing a back marker under yellow. That's backwards (and the lesser penalty is too weak) to me. 916. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The thing is. Logano isn't going to lay back for a rival organization to qualify to the next round. People who are saying *he didn't need to win* have to say the same thing about Jimmie winning Texas last year, and Junior winning Martinsville. That whole incident was mostly racing. Kenseth blocked, and they both went for the same piece of real estate. Also. Aren't we fans for the racing, not the intent wrecking we see?" Exactly. 917. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Just looking at the statement released makes me laugh. They pretty much said they were suspending Matt for Safety reasons and impacting the Chase. Sooooooo you're saying what Matt did is more dangerous than when Carl turned Brad into the fence at Atlanta and I guess Bowyer must not have been only like 20 something points behind Brad when Jeff wrecked him at Phoenix... If you want to send a message fine, just come clean with it and don't feed us BS reasons. 918. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) A more appropriate punishment for the Go Daddy Girl would've been to suspend her from NASCAR until the 2017 Daytona 500 919. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Ricky Craven nailed the controversy to a tee. The system that helped contribute to this situation the officiating body is in, ultimately is to blame. Logano and team wanted to close out his competition by winning Kansas and Talladega. Harvick altered the outcome of the Talladega race to stay alive in the Chase. The level of shenanigans played in the past three weeks practically overshadow everything Gordon and the #24 team did in winning at Martinsville. 920. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @905 Where the hell did you get that idea out of? 921. Lucstar88 posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @917 As much as I like the penalty, that's a stupid reason. 922. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) "Safety Reasons" Yes, because crashing someone at Martinsville at 80 mph is MUCH more dangerous than starting the big one at Talladega, crashing someone at Phoenix at 150 mph and crashing someone at Atlanta at 190 mph... "Impacting the Chase" Logano impacted the chase by spinning Kenseth to turn. Shouldn't he get a suspension as well? If that is the best reasons NASCAR can give for such a lengthy suspension, then that is sad. 923. Schroeder51 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) NASCAR's new motto should be "Consistently Inconsistent". Can't think of a more perfect slogan for them! I'm honestly surprised they're going to sit Kenseth out for two races. Based on NASCAR's track record, I honestly thought they were going to just slap him with a points penalty as they usually do in these situations...But seriously, NASCAR continues to excel at inconsistency. Gordon vs. Bowyer/Carl vs. Brad wasn't as bad as this...? Makes me think if you're a fan favorite, you don't EVER have to worry about getting sat out for a few races... NASCAR could have done even worse than they did, however. They could've also automatically given Joey a pass into the championship round based on the fact that he was leading at the time Kenseth took him out and probably would've won otherwise. Can only imagine what the reactions would be if they did something like THAT... 924. Cornys posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hey, anybody who gets kicked out of NASCAR is free to drive in any of the various racing series that will take them. It would provide a huge boost (temporarily) to that series. There's a home for a lot of these guys in the Indianapolis 500 at least. Maybe IMSA, maybe the entire IndyCar schedule, maybe local short tracks, and maybe World of Outlaws :) Less money, but all of them would be more fun to compete in IMO :). I'm sure a lot of them would avoid IndyCar though, because they are rich already. There's a lot of danger in IndyCar. Honestly, it's for crazy drivers. A lot of these guys have already made their millions in NASCAR. Look at what AJ did after being kicked out. It helped all the events that he competed in, and he wasn't even close to a big name in NASCAR. I think that's what the auto racing community needs right now. Competition from other racing series inside of the US. 925. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (10) (0) @922 Agreed... Let's be honest here, I think we all know the real reason why NASCAR did what they did. Kenseth exposed the Chase for what it is. A JOKE. NASCAR can't come out and admit that so they just dropped the hammer on him. 926. Schroeder51 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'd also normally say NASCAR is probably strongly considering changing this Chase system since it's led to so much controversy (let's face it, all these driver fights, general mayhem, and deliberate actions from driver we've seen in the Chase the past two years)...but then again, NASCAR was most likely looking for this kind of drama through implementing the elimination rounds...So I actually wouldn't be too surprised if this ends up being the Chase format that sticks... 927. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The best thing that can happen for NASCAR right now is for it to go straight outta business 928. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR could have done even worse than they did, however. They could've also automatically given Joey a pass into the championship round based on the fact that he was leading at the time Kenseth took him out and probably would've won otherwise." We know NASCAR couldn't do that. If they did Jr Nation would have started an uprising for not doing the same for Jr after Harvick wrecked everyone the week before lol. Honestly I think it was more likely Dale would have won Dega than Joey winning Martinsville had both incidents not happened 929. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (8) Really NASCAR? So Stupid. Lagano should be wrecked every single race. He is a freakin idiot. Kenseth did everything right. 930. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's pretty amazing how far NASCAR has fallen in the past 10 or so years 931. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a viewer, I want to see racing, is that too much to ask? I guess it is since this is demolition derby, wrestling, and politics all in one. 932. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Really NASCAR? So Stupid. Lagano should be wrecked every single race. He is a freakin idiot. Kenseth did everything right." No Kenseth didn't do everything right. You don't wreck someone when you're laps down. You know how he could have done it right? If he dumped him earlier in the race when he was racing him for 3rd. If he did it there he wouldn't be in the spot he's in now. 933. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly BMan and you would likely recall Kenseth's comments after the race at Talladega something to the effect of getting back to real racing and not playing games... a veild rib on the current Chase system. 934. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @925 Exactly. I hope at Homestead that someone will wreck another driver for the title. Then they will have no choice but to change the system. 935. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @933 Yup, and while he was the most outspoken he wasn't the only one to trash talk the format. Under all the Chase formats I don't remember a time where the drivers were so outspoken about it, Even Brad on Race Hub today made a comment that NASCAR needs to change something. Yes I know Brad always has an opinion, but it's one thing to say something needs to change right after you got eliminated like Kenseth, It's another when you're on one of your sports nationally televised shows a few days after a race. 936. Schroeder51 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "We know NASCAR couldn't do that. If they did Jr Nation would have started an uprising for not doing the same for Jr after Harvick wrecked everyone the week before lol." Yep, if NASCAR went that far, the Junior fanboys would've been crying to no end that NASCAR favors Logano over their favorite driver. Considering Jr. Nation's response to the Talladega race, I must admit, I actually DID half-expect NASCAR to give Dale a pass to Round 3, LOL But yes. At this point I would be happy if the Chase was just done away with altogether at this point. It leads to all sorts of ridiculous unnecessary drama like this whole Logano vs. Kenseth feud. Of course, since this is EXACTLY what NASCAR (or more specifically, Brian France) wants, the Chase ain't going away anytime soon unless they put someone in charge who wants to get rid of it. So you can look forward to even more needless drama in the years to come! 937. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yep, if NASCAR went that far, the Junior fanboys would've been crying to no end that NASCAR favors Logano over their favorite driver. Considering Jr. Nation's response to the Talladega race, I must admit, I actually DID half-expect NASCAR to give Dale a pass to Round 3, LOL" Oh I did too, assuming they found the evidence they needed to nail Harvick. IMO letting Jr go into round three would have been no different than letting Jeff in as the 13th driver after Spingate. 938. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's been a long time since the comment board was this busy on a non race day (other than when Justin Wilson died of course) 939. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 934- No, that wouldn't happen. Bri-Bri would LOVE it if someone wrecked someone else for a title, since that would mean that people would be talking about it. 940. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Wow so Matt gets two races for wrecking someone at a short track in his own series after they wrecked him out of the championship, and Kyle Busch only got one race for wrecking someone in a completely different series who was a championship contender and was completely unprovoked, at a high speed track. Yeah absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. And of course Danica only gets a slap on the wrist fine, what a shock there. 941. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) To hell with Jr Nation they're part of what's wrong with NASCAR today 942. Any Social Media Commenter. posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Waaaahhh!! Joey Logano should be one suspended. NASCAR is going down the toilet because of this. I'm not watching this WWE stuff anymore. 943. Nathan8848 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Danica got what she deserved. No more, no less. Kenneth, I think he did too actually. 944. The Long Shot posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Danica got what she deserved. No more, no less. Kenneth, I think he did too actually." I agree tbh. Still doesn't mean NASCAR isn't laughably inconsistent, but I think most reasonable people would say that this is probably about the right type of punishment for Matt (and Danica, too). 945. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) 2002- Kevin Harvick intentionally spins in a truck race at Martinsville (slowest track on the schedule) after saying he would do it. Suspended for the rest of the weekend. 2010- Carl Edwards on two seperate occasions intentionally crashes Brad Keselowski. Slap on the wrist fine. 2011- Kyle Busch intentionally slams championship contender Ron Hornaday into the wall head-on in a truck race at Texas under caution. Suspended for the rest of the weekend. 2012- Jeff Gordon intentionally slams championship contender Clint Bowyer into the wall head-on at Phoenix after he and Bowyer were involved in several other incidents throughout the year, collecting Aric Almirola and Joey Logano. Fine and points penalty. 2013- Clint Bowyer, Brian Vickers, and David Gilliland are all caught trying to manipulate the outcome of the race. Martin Truex is the only driver penalized. 2015- Kevin Harvick intentionally causes a big wreck on a GWC at Talladega, affecting the outcome of the race. No penalties. One week later- Matt Kenseth intentionally wrecks race leader Joey Logano after Logano ended his championship hopes two weeks earlier and Logano's teammate Brad Keselowski wrecked Kenseth earlier in the race. Suspended for two races. The very same race- Danica Patrick intentionally tries to crash David Gilliland (but fails and only wrecks herself) after saying on her radio that she would wreck him. Fine and points penalty. The only thing NASCAR can be consistent at is being inconsistent... 946. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At post 923: NASCAR's New motto should be Causing Snafu's since Brainless Brian took power 947. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "To hell with Jr Nation they're part of what's wrong with NASCAR today" You might not like them, but you have to admit they make up a large percentage of fans. I've thought this for awhile now but I feel the changes NASCAR has made over the last 10 years have made the fans more and more driver oriented. I have this bad feeling a lot of fans are only sticking around because of "their" driver. If you think things like attendance is bad now and this turns out to be right, NASCAR is gonna be in major trouble when people like Jeff, Tony, and Jr hang it up. 948. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 941- please do not lump all of us Jr fans together. You could say the same thing about any fanbase, but Jr just happens to have the most fans and therefore it seems like his fans are the most obnoxious but really they are no different than fans of any other driver. You could probably find some JJ Yeley or Travis Kvapil fans who are just as bad as Jr Nation if you looked hard enough. 949. New14 & 88 Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) All I'm gonna say is when it comes to digging yourself deeper into the hole of failure and stupidity, no one has succeeded at it like NASCAR. "NASCAR's new motto should be "Consistently Inconsistent". Can't think of a more perfect slogan for them! I'm honestly surprised they're going to sit Kenseth out for two races. Based on NASCAR's track record, I honestly thought they were going to just slap him with a points penalty as they usually do in these situations...But seriously, NASCAR continues to excel at inconsistency. Gordon vs. Bowyer/Carl vs. Brad wasn't as bad as this...? Makes me think if you're a fan favorite, you don't EVER have to worry about getting sat out for a few races... NASCAR could have done even worse than they did, however. They could've also automatically given Joey a pass into the championship round based on the fact that he was leading at the time Kenseth took him out and probably would've won otherwise. Can only imagine what the reactions would be if they did something like THAT..." Quoted for truth. 950. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.03.2015 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At post 943: Although I agree with you that Kenseth got what was coming to him this also shows that NASCAR makes their decisions on whichever way the wind blows 951. JG24FanForever posted: 11.03.2015 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The level of shenanigans played in the past three weeks practically overshadow everything Gordon and the #24 team did in winning at Martinsville." The Hell with it. I'm going to do a comment dedicated to Jeff Gordon's history at the Fall Martinsville event. First off: The Fall Martinsville race, in my opinion, is the most prestigious short-track race on the schedule Second off: The Fall Martinsville race is the ONLY race left from the original 1949 Cup schedule. And last: Red Byron won the inaugural race along with the title in that first season. Now i'm going to do what I always do, and speak in statistics to talk about Jeff's untouchable career in the event. Jeff Gordon's average finish in 23 starts is 6.47 His results for each event: 1993-11th 1994-11th 1995-7th 1996-1st Won with Ray Evernham 1997-4th 1998-2nd 1999-1st won with Brian Whitesell 2000-5th 2001-9th 2002-36th One of only two races where he finished below 11th. 2003-1st Won with Robbie Loomis 2004-6th 2005-1st Won with Steve Letarte 2006-5th 2007-3rd 2008-4th 2009-5th 2010-20th Crashed on the backstretch by Kurt Busch. Payback for spring 2005. 2011-3rd 2012-7th 2013-1st Won with Alan Gustafson. I was there! 2014-2nd 2015-1st Record tying 6th win, over a 20 season span, and won with 5 Crew Chiefs. Finished 9th or better in 19 of his last 21 races. Finished 7th or better in 12 of his last 13 races. Petty won his 6 races in a 7 race span and all with Dale Inman. Waltrip won his 6 races in a 9 race span with Tim Brewer in 1981 and Jeff Hammond for all the rest. Jimmie Johnson has 5 wins with chad Knaus and Big E won this event 3 times with 3 different Crew chiefs in 1980, '85 and '95. 952. JG24FanForever posted: 11.03.2015 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon finished 7th or better in 18 of his 23 Fall Martinsville starts with 15 Top' 5's. 953. Baker posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And people still wonder why Igave upon NASCAR. Hahah 954. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So except for two races in 2002 and 2010 where the #24 car found the wall, Gordon never finished worse than 11th in the Fall Martinsville race...amazing consistency. 955. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) "Brian France said. 'We don't want our events altered in a way they shouldn't be.'" For starters less debris cautions would be nice. 956. BMan0213 posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "For starters less debris cautions would be nice." But... But those Hot Dog wrappers are dangerous. They could get on someones grill and make them overheat... Yeah I think that sounds right, I could see Brian saying something like that lol 957. Schroeder51 posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Yeah I think that sounds right, I could see Brian saying something like that lol" I still remember at Darlington several years ago someone's ball cap blew over the fence on the frontstretch. I honestly half-expected NASCAR to throw a yellow for the ever-so dangerous hat! 958. racefangurl posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Matt the Brat is on probation. Ooooh he better watch it along with you-know-who. You-know-who is on probation, too. 959. Sector posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Two things: 1) Matt should have at least waited until Homestead, since with Texas right around the corner and if Johnson isn't back up to speed there, Logano will be a threat there as well. That way Joey wouldn't walk away with the championship if he keeps up his speed. 2) If they're going to suspend Matt, why not just let him sit out for Homestead, where it's all going to be on the line? I mean, if Joey Logano does end up in the final 4 and even if Matt's on probation, who's to say he won't do anything to hurt Joey's chances at the championship, or rather, do something life-risking again? Not saying all will be bad when Homestead comes and if anything I'd love to see Jeff Gordon leave his car behind with a championship, sitting Matt out only to come back to the final race is just the wrong move in my opinion. 960. Lucstar88 posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS7wpRPU8AEf5Ov.jpg ^Nice read about role reversal and double standards. 961. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait, you mean they actually DIDN'T throw the caution for the ballcap? 962. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was a Nationwide race somewhere, but they once threw a caution for a piece of newspaper. 963. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Lucstar88 while I agree with the part about people posting pictures of Dale Sr giving the thumbs up and stuff that support Kenseth and that is really hypocritical and all, and as a fellow Jr fan, I think there is one key thing we're missing out on. Dale Jr is not his father, Joey Logano, or Matt Kenseth. Dale Jr wouldn't wreck someone for the win because Dale Jr is above that. 964. Schroeder51 posted: 11.03.2015 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Wait, you mean they actually DIDN'T throw the caution for the ballcap?" Surprisingly, no, not that I recall. But it wouldn't have shocked me one bit if they did-we ALL know how dangerous to tires and engines hats can be, after all! They DID once throw a debris caution at the July Daytona race because someone bounced a beach ball over the fence onto the track, though... 965. 88&4Fan posted: 11.03.2015 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I know at Indy this year they threw a caution for balloons. And at Fontana they threw a caution for Kurt Busch being about to win the race. 966. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 11.03.2015 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (9) (0) A lot of drivers do not respect Joey Logano on or off the track. Whether that's because of him getting to start at the age of 18 with a top notch team, his ego, jealousy, etc., I'm not sure. B,ut he is not liked. It's fine to not have friends, but you have to have respect, especially when your job involves competitive sports. Joey took a risk at Kansas. Yes, he kept one of his two biggest threats out of the next round, but he also put himself in risk for something like what happened on Sunday. I have no problem with him doing what he did, as long as he's willing to accept the consequences, and Sunday he showed that he couldn't. Like I said earlier, I'm not sure Matt was that ticked about the crash, because he's been crashed before, but the arrogance displayed by Joey the week(s) following only added fuel to the fire. Then, as if he couldn't disrespect Matt anymore, he brake checked him at Talladega for no reason at all. Another thing not being discussed is Matt's disdain for Brian France and NASCAR. He took a subtle shot about NASCAR not having control after Talladega over the past few weeks he has all but mocked the new championship system. I guess he figured if people were going to take advantage of NASCAR, then he should get his chance, too. It also seems like the old guard is really getting sick of constant changing of the rules and added gimmicks into everything. Matt Kenseth, Ryan Newman, Denny Hamlin (even though he's probably not considered that much of an old guard) all seem to not like it. If I had to pick, I think Kenseth handled things properly. I'm not for tearing up equipment, but secondhand knowledge says that Joey wasn't going to show up in some isolated area in Huntersville to partake in a fist fight, so Matt knew he wasn't getting an opportunity to settle it in a man to man fashion. Joey wasn't innocent at Kansas, because he had the 20's rear tires off of the ground before they ever made the turn, but he also has the excuse of the "aero-tight" factor. He never had a chance of doing a classic "bump and run" or an opportunity to "get him loose." Not with this package. I honestly don't think he could have passed him any other way. I don't have a problem with that, but by doing that, Joey essentially took Matt's chance at a title away and Joey should have been ready to face the consequences. He didn't and now he's finding out what it feels like. 967. Scott B posted: 11.03.2015 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well, the wording of NASCAR's ruling makes it clear that they are OK with Chase drivers getting preferential treatment. That doesn't surprise me a bit. I'm just going to let that sink in for a while before I go off on a rant. #backmarkerlivesmatter 968. David posted: 11.03.2015 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "But there is a reason why they're being inconsistent: They can't win regardless. If the drivers show no emotion, they will be accussed of being corporate robots. If they fight, they will be accussed of acting like rich manchildren with bumper cars. They can't win." Thank you. Yes, NASCAR is inconsistent. What else is new? It would do you all well to remember that Speedy Thompson was not suspended in 1956 for causing a wreck that nearly ended Herb Thomas's LIFE. D.K. Ulrich was suspended for the season in 1978 because nitrous oxide was found in his car at Darlington. Bobby Allison, who was never NASCAR's darling, wasn't even fined for putting Darrell Waltrip in the North Wilkesboro wall in 1979, while Waltrip was racing for a championship. The list goes on...and on and on. It just goes to show that these kinds of situations are not new. 969. Scott B posted: 11.03.2015 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I have to say, the discussion here is quite rational. I like this place. 970. David posted: 11.03.2015 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have to say, the discussion here is quite rational. I like this place." It has recaptured some of that old charm, yes. I'm glad to be back. 971. Sean posted: 11.04.2015 - 12:13 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) This appears to be the complete list of drivers who won in their final season prior to Gordon whose careers did not end prematurely/due to injury/death/etc... Jim Roper (1949) Marvin Burke (1951) Marshall Teague (1952) Dick Passwater (1953) Chuck Stevenson (1956) Frankie Schneider (1958) Cotton Owens (1964) Marvin Panch (1966) Dick Hutcherson (1967) Mark Donohue (1973) Roper won the first Cup race and only entered one other later that season. Burke only won on his debut. Teague left to become an IndyCar driver. Passwater I guess just couldn't find a ride. Stevenson and Donohue were open wheel stars just moonlighting as road course ringers and winning...even though Donohue died only 2 years later at a Formula One event, I'm pretty sure he never would have made another Cup start regardless, as Foyt was pretty much the only IndyCar driver crossing over to enter Cup races after the early '70s. Nobody except Owens, Panch, and Hutcherson made anything resembling a large number of starts prior to Gordon. Although the answer is technically Donohue, as far as major Cup stars are concerned, it appears the answer is Hutcherson. Regardless, this doesn't happen often, even much less than it happens in F1 (where Jackie Stewart and Alain Prost won the championship in their final season) or IndyCar (where Ray Harroun and Sam Hanks retired on the spot after winning Indy 500s, or Gil de Ferran retired in 2003 at the end of the season when he earned his Indy 500 win and went out in style by winning his final race, and became probably the only driver after Hanks to win his final race). And before this weekend, I was going to take Rusty Wallace's 2005 as the best modern era retirement season, but assuming Gordon sticks to his word, I'll now take Gordon's. 972. Sean posted: 11.04.2015 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry, Burke won his only race. He only made one start and won it. The earlier statement was misleading even though I already knew this. 973. murb posted: 11.04.2015 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "It was a Nationwide race somewhere, but they once threw a caution for a piece of newspaper." Memphis 2009. Brendan Gaughan was leading with like 20 to go and on his way to what would have been his first win in the series, but that caution came out and totally screwed him. And then Rusty (his car owner) was in the booth trying his damnedest not to sound totally beside himself with rage, which was sort of unintentionally hilarious. But yeah, that was a really stupid one. 974. 88&4Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) And of course welcome back David. Always good to see familiar names around here. 975. 88&4Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) 970- most of that can be attributed to the returns of cjs and murb and the addition of Big Mac. And of course I don't want to take too much credit but I'd like to think that I've helped some too. 976. 88&4Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:27 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) And lets not forget possibly one of NASCAR's most overlooked and most inconsistent penalties ever, Carl Long was suspended indefinitely from the cup series for having an engine that was 1/16th of an inch too big in the 2008 Sprint Showdown (the QUALIFIER for the All Star Race). That never would've happened to any full-time team. 977. Thomas posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Thinking back to Kenseth's interview from Sunday, he was basically throwing Harvick's comments from Talladega right in NASCAR's face, which may not have helped Kenseth's cause any. Since somebody took us back to the early days of NASCAR for a comparison, I'll make one more recent but still old. Swirvin' Irvan caused The Big One at Darlington back in the spring of 1990 by racing the leader when he was 10 laps down to try to get a lap back. The wreck effectively ended Neil Bonnett's career. Irvan wasn't penalized. Granted there wasn't intent in Irvan's case, but he had no business trying to race the leader in that position. If NASCAR wasn't the judge and jury for the appeal, I'd give Kenseth a fighting chance at winning. He may have to take a lesson from a couple of NFL players and take NASCAR to federal court to try to get the suspension overturned. 978. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 11.04.2015 - 3:05 am Rate this comment: (6) (0) Why DOES NASCAR find it impossible to run a simple points accumulation table to decide the championship. You know, the one every other championship uses! 979. John Royal posted: 11.04.2015 - 3:13 am Rate this comment: (2) (5) I just saw Craven's comments on this, exactly my thoughts. He nailed it. NASCAR should not have given Kenseth such penalty. Or then give similar penalty to both Logano and Kenseth. And as I see it, Logano's move was much more worse as basically he dumped Kenseth on a fast track, which is automatically great safety concern. Logano's move at Kansas was a bullshit move and I lost all my respect towards that guy. That was not racing deal, it was a f**king robbery. I never have been a Kenseth fan, but what he did at Martinsville was exactly what needed to be done and I applaud him for that. But I also agree that the Chase system is a joke and has no place in professional circuit racing. 980. BMan0213 posted: 11.04.2015 - 3:14 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @978 Because they think a driver clinching the title before the last race of the year is the worst thing ever... I can't stand the people who run this sport. Yeah people didn't like it when Kenseth won the title in 03 and they did want a change in the points system, but all they wanted was for winning to be rewarded more. Like all they needed to do was give the winner of the race like 25 more points (under the old point system) and everyone probably would have been fine. Instead they came up with Chase, and as drivers (mainly Jimmie Johnson lol) began to figure out the system they made changes to make sure the points would be closer at the last race of the year which is how we got to where we are. 981. joey2448 posted: 11.04.2015 - 3:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Echoing the thoughts of others here, I too am glad to see some of the old guard back commenting, guys like cjs, David, Spen and Thomas (assuming it's the same "Thomas"). I've frequented this site since at least 2009 or 2010, and those users' posts have always been a good read. Now, if we could only get DSFF backâ?¦ Getting back on topic, some of the wording that caught my eye in the NASCAR penalty report was the following: NASCAR factored in aspects of safety in penalizing Kenseth as well as, "the fact that the new Chase elimination format puts a premium on each and every race. These actions have no place in NASCAR." My reaction is, how about you change the system then??? You can't just create a championship format that puts such heavy emphasis on winning â?" one that also severely penalizes bad finishes â?" putting the drivers under such heavy pressure, then expect them not to react to said heavy pressure. 982. MAR posted: 11.04.2015 - 6:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As far as this chase system goes it's not going anywhere it's not getting adjusted etc... NASCAR is getting exactly what it wants controversy, elevated artificial excitement and plus it's making national headlines again so we as fans may hate it but to the suit and tie guys that run the business there winning I flat out hate it I've always hated it with the exception of 04 only because it was new but I was over it by 06 the old system wasn't broke ironically it was Matt's dominant 03 which lead to change. As far as Matt getting two races that's a bit harsh one race would of fine Danica's penalty is a little light she has had way to many Mini blow ups she needed a stiffer penalty but no suspension. As far as NASCAR being terrible with consistently handing out penalties the right way no doubt Carl Edwards should of been suspended at least two races after he pulled a even worst stunt than kenseth at Atlanta NASCAR's fastest track and almost sent Brad into the grandstands and then Carl pulled another stunt on Brad at gateway on the last lap that's by far the one NASCAR messed up on not making Edwards the example ever since then we saw Kyle and Hornaday, Clint and Jeff, now Joey and Matt. 983. Dodge posted: 11.04.2015 - 7:42 am Rate this comment: (8) (2) Just going to say this and people may not like it but it's true. What Logano did at Kansas was completely different, he SPUN Kenseth out when Kenseth continually blocked him, Logano had a fender on the inside and Matt kept closing down on him. What Matt did on Sunday was not racing, he INTENTIONALLY wrecked Joey and drove him into the wall. It's funny that so many people are happy that Logano got wrecked when anytime in the past someone said I hope "so and so" gets wrecked and a lot of people jump down that person's throat saying that "true fans don't want to see wrecks." I understand people don't like Logano, I am not a fan of his either but he was wronged...Something tells me if it was Kenseth that was still going for the title and Joey wasn't and pulled off a move like that, Joey would of been suspended. 984. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 8:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @983 For the most part we agree with you. While the fans and people on YouTube thought it was awesome, the general consensus on this site was that Logano was wronged as well. But at the same time, Logano probably had this coming. He had already had incidents with Hamlin in 2013 and all of last year it seemed like people had problems with his driving style. While Kansas was just a race for the win, Logano was acting like he did nothing wrong ever since and I think that's what made Matt wreck him. So in the words of Logano, "that's what he gets." But Matt shouldn't have carried it out in that matter. Spin him around when you're battleing for 2nd, don't ram him into the wall 10 laps down while he's leading! 985. John Royal posted: 11.04.2015 - 8:11 am Rate this comment: (2) (6) #984 Actually, Kenseth and Logano were NOT fighting for Kansas win, but for Kenseth's championship eligibility. In that case it doesn't matter what positions they were after, it just happened to be about 1st position. And so in Martinsville, Kenseth gave Logano his own medicine. To challenge Logano's championship eligilibity. Again it doesn't matter what race positions they were racing for. 986. Anonymous posted: 11.04.2015 - 8:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meanwhile, Jeff Gordon is saying "TROLOLOLOLOL" as his season average finish is almost 15th, but he's had the best average finish of all drivers during the Chase. 987. Biscuits In A Red Bull posted: 11.04.2015 - 10:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Any Social Media Commentator, you seen to assume that we're part of that annoying loud minority who is convinced they're right and wants to tell everyone else they're wrong. Sometimes the loud voice does come from the majority. That's when you have to actually deal with the issue. Of course, I am generalising. Some issues are considered to not be issues or be considered problems by the majority when they're not, and sometimes, more scarcely, the loud minority does have a point, but having looked around I think that our arguments are pretty valid, with logical reasoning and evidence that any good argument needs. So please consider your position and then explain it :D 988. The Long Shot posted: 11.04.2015 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) People still believe Logano wrecked Kenseth on purpose at Kansas. Lol. When you're blocking like a maniac to protect a position (not saying he was wrong in doing that, by the way), at some point you and the driver you're blocking are going to go for the same piece of real estate. And you're going to get wrecked. Kenseth has nobody to blame but himself for that situation. 989. Scott B posted: 11.04.2015 - 12:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While the Kenseth suspension goes through appeal, here's a thought. While it's bad for Matt, it's not awful for the JGR organization as a whole (as long as sponsors don't bail, and I don't expect them to). While they wouldn't have done it this way if not forced to, seeing Erik Jones in the #20 for a week or two will be a better barometer of how ready he is to move up to Cup than putting him in a part-time car. 990. Jim Davis posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "When you're blocking like a maniac to protect a position (not saying he was wrong in doing that, by the way), at some point you and the driver you're blocking are going to go for the same piece of real estate." Exactly. When a driver blocks he's counting on the driver behind him to lift. And that may not be too much to ask in certain situations. It may be early in the race. It might be a teammate. It might be a driver that owes you a break. But at some point the driver of the faster car is going to say to himself "if he's going to block, I'm not going to lift." When that point is reached it rarely works out well for the car that is blocking. I think NASCAR's failure to penalize Harvick was the spark that set everything off. That was NASCAR not doing its job. I can understand the reluctance to penalize to determine who advances and who doesn't but that was the time to take a stand. Harvick's and Kenseth's intentions were equally transparent. Indeed, I think the Kenseth incident is slightly (but only slightly) more ambiguous because Kenseth could claim (correctly) that he had nothing to gain and everything to lose by wrecking Logano intentionally. Harvick can't claim that he had nothing to gain. His season was going down the toilet and bringing out a caution to freeze the field was the only hope of not dropping positions and points. So he did. Harvick comes across as more sympathetic than Kenseth since Harvick's motivations weren't petty like Kenseth's were but Harvick's intentions were crystal clear. 991. Richard Head posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Whole thing is a shambles. Whilst what Kenseth did was more than stupid, so is the NASCAR Chase system. I understand the thinking behind Kenseth's actions, but they are unacceptable. However, without the Chase system, how likely would it be that Kenseth would've done that? I can't imagine it would be more likely. I personally don't feel it's the same. Anyone care to disagree? Please, instead of hitting that superficial thumbs down button that is so tempting, and actually explain why you think differently. It's quite simple really, this free society thing... 992. Richard Head posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Before I'm asked to explain, I mean the Chase system contributed in the way that Kenseth was wrecked, his fault or not, whilst effectively racing to keep his season alive. Without the Chase system, that wouldn't be the case (necessarily). Therefore he had a greater motive behind hitting Logano, who's season was very much alive. I know this is what NASCAR want (to an extent) but it's quite petty, stupid and surely not the sort of coverage NASCAR want (although there is no such thing as bad publicity) 993. Cornys posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "(although there is no such thing as bad publicity)" Yes there is. I'm not really sure why this saying ever caught on. Sometimes bad things can be good, but more often than not, bad things create bad PR and contribute to destroying (or creating a bad) reputation. 994. Cornys posted: 11.04.2015 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "'We don't want that to happen again,' (Brian) France said. 'We don't want any of our events to be altered in a way they shouldn't be.'" (This is posted elsewhere as a quote from XM radio on Tuesday) Like cautions for water bottles. Or tape on the track. Or somebody almost hitting the wall. Or Danica being lapped. Or JR to get his lap back. Or competition cautions. 995. 88&4Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 2:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I wonder if Erik Jones could possibly pull a Jamie McMurray and win in his second race subbing for someone. 996. Captain51 posted: 11.04.2015 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @995, With how the Gibbs cars have been running, it wouldn't be out of the question for Jones to have a strong run. Look at Jones' race at Kansas running incredibly strong until he hiccuped and finished 40th. 997. Premium Doesn't Suck 62 66 94 98 posted: 11.04.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I haven't heard anything about Erik Jones replacing Kenseth yet. 998. Alex posted: 11.04.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I personally know Dick Passwater. His retirement was forced by the death of his car owner mid-season. Lacking the funds to be an owner-driver, he ran one more race before heading home to Indiana. 999. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Something I just noticed: Kyle Busch has the same amount of wins, top fives, top tens, and poles this season as he did in 2009 in 14 less races. 1000. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll be at Texas so it will be interesting to see how the 20 does with a different driver. And 1000 comments. That probably hasn't happened in a long time... 1001. Richard Head posted: 11.04.2015 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oi Cornys. I was trying to tread the middle ground. What some people consider a bad thing others don't, so to an extent there is no such thing, but it depends who you talk to. People think differently. I could go on for a long tine but won't because most people on here don't really care. Also, what's far more important is that we're now into the 3rd page of comments :o 1002. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.04.2015 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""'We don't want that to happen again,' (Brian) France said. 'We don't want any of our events to be altered in a way they shouldn't be.'" (This is posted elsewhere as a quote from XM radio on Tuesday) Like cautions for water bottles. Or tape on the track. Or somebody almost hitting the wall. Or Danica being lapped. Or JR to get his lap back. Or competition cautions." It's similar to the old line about government being against monopolies because they(the gov't) don't like competition. Same with NASCAR; they don't mind races/championships, etc. being altered so long as they're the ones pulling the strings. 1003. 88&4Fan posted: 11.04.2015 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Maybe if gimmicky bullcrap happens every race, we'll get 1000 comments regularly again LOL And with the end of the season only getting closer, I can definitely imagine that happening. 1004. TS1420 posted: 11.04.2015 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Once again NASCAR proves to be consistently inconsistent. In 2012 they do basically nothing to Jeff Gordon while they decided to drop the hammer on Kenseth. And Danica did the same if not worse (actually talking & planning on the radio to take out Gilliland) this same race and she only got the "Jeff Gordon Special". But most NASCAR fan's a just as consistent. They complained when NASCAR was neutering the driver's in the 00's, saying they were ruining racing by making drivers PC corporate clones and not like the rough & tough "Good Ol' Boys". Now they complain because NASCAR now encourages "Boys have at it", calling NASCAR "WWE on Wheels". They bitch about what Logano did at Kansas & Kenseth did at Martinsville, but then will turn around say Bristol is ruined because it is no longer a single-file demolition derby temper-tantrum fest. They say what Logano & Kenseth has done has given racing a black eye & bad name but then will romanticize all of the intentional/somewhat intentional wrecks of yesteryear (ie Earnhardt's Greatest "Hits"). Hell look at Talladega. Fan's have done nothing but bitch about GWC's but then the amount of them get's limit to 1 at Talladega and they changed their tune real quick. 1005. Anonymous posted: 11.04.2015 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR is so inconsistent with their officiating. They are ok with applying a rule one way one day and another way another day. They throw cautions on stupid stuff such as balloons. They have a stupid championship format that is not worthy of auto racing period. This is not a proper auto racing sport anymore. 1006. joey2448 posted: 11.04.2015 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Post #990 -- "Harvick can't claim that he had nothing to gain. His season was going down the toilet and bringing out a caution to freeze the field was the only hope of not dropping positions and points. So he did. Harvick comes across as more sympathetic than Kenseth since Harvick's motivations weren't petty like Kenseth's were but Harvick's intentions were crystal clear." I feel that we've established that there is no proof that Harvick intentionally caused that wreck. Yes, it looked suspicious, but one could easily believe as well that Harvick was attempting to block his line on the restart, instead of waiting and then turning right to start a crash. And the only thing said on the 4 team radio prior to that restart was along the lines of, 'You may want to try and block them, that may be your best shot.' There was nothing like, 'Wreck the 6 car as soon as you get the chance.' Nada. 1007. Jim Davis posted: 11.04.2015 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I feel that we've established that there is no proof that Harvick intentionally caused that wreck." Yes, no one can read Harvick's mind and no one can read Kenseth's either. There is no proof in either case of either driver's intentions. One has to use one's best judgement based on the circumstances. If you're going to suggest that Harvick gets the benefit of a doubt because there is no radio along the lines of "Cause a wreck and freeze the field it's your only chance!" then one has to extend the same benefit to Kenseth because there is no radio along the lines of "I'm going to stuff that punk in the wall!" Are you claiming there has to be a clear statement of intent over the radio before any penalty can be assessed? If so, you're giving every driver a license to wreck anyone they please with no consequences as long as they keep their mouths shut. Such a standard is unrealistic. NASCAR let Harvick get away with it but then had to double down on Kenseth so now they look indecisive and inconsistent. 1008. 426hemi posted: 11.04.2015 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) At what point is Nascar going to accept that their fans have functioning brains and are not the stupid hillbillies they are stereotyped as.Kenseth and Harvick both intentionally wreck people and only one gets penalized. 1009. racefangurl posted: 11.04.2015 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1006, Harvick could've wrecked anybody. The 6 was that somebody due to convenience. JMO. 1010. Thomas posted: 11.05.2015 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Unless they overturn Kenseth's suspension on final appeal (unlikely), watch the ratings for this weekend's race be noticeably lower than the past few weeks. There will be both a lack of Kenseth fans and general fans who in disgust at the penalty decide not to watch. 1011. Scott B posted: 11.05.2015 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First level appeal has upheld the Kenseth 2-race suspension. Final appeal this afternoon. 1012. Scott B posted: 11.05.2015 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, several sources reporting a fire in the hauler for Michael Annett's cars on the road to Texas. If it weren't for bad luck... 1013. oldschoolracing519 posted: 11.05.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BREAKING NEWS Matt Kenseth final appeal has been denied. Penalty upheld 1014. Anonymous posted: 11.05.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) "Unless they overturn Kenseth's suspension on final appeal (unlikely), watch the ratings for this weekend's race be noticeably lower than the past few weeks. There will be both a lack of Kenseth fans and general fans who in disgust at the penalty decide not to watch. " LOL, good luck with that. Matt Kenseth's not a driver who people tune in specifically to watch, he's just "there". He never has been and never will be an Earnhardt, Gordon, or Stewart, drivers who fans want to watch whether they love or hate them. Personally I'm more excited to watch the next race because Erik Jones will get a good shot than I've ever been to watch a race because of any reason to do with Kenseth. Sure, Matt's 3 fans won't watch, but many more WILL watch because of the manufactured CHA$E drama so I don't think NASCAR cares much. 1015. The Long Shot posted: 11.05.2015 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) Lol at some of Kenseth's comments. Come on, dude, don't tell me you intentionally wrecked the leader of a race whilst multiple laps down and expected to get off scot-free. The only person to blame for putting you in this situation is yourself. 1016. Eric posted: 11.05.2015 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I have a problem with one the people on the appeals board for NASCAR. I forget the name, but that person is the operator of Bowman Gray Stadium. The reason I have problem with the operator of Bowman Gray Stadium being on NASCAR's appeal board is due to Bowman Gray Stadium is known as the Wild Wild West of race tracks. Bowman Gray Stadium is a race track that allows drivers to race for revenge without getting banned from the track and had drivers arrested on the track also. The catch is the drivers don't get banned after they get arrested on the track. What I saying is when the operator of race tracks allows drivers to race for revenge without any problem, that person would be considered a hypocrite for allowing Matt Kenseth to be suspended. Even if that person didn't think Matt should be suspended, that person would be rightfully called out for being the appeals board a first place. 1017. MAR posted: 11.05.2015 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Prediction after 2016 Dollar General will dump Kenseth in favor for Erik Jones. I can promise you behind close doors Dollar General is pissed at Kenseth for embarrassing the company. I have nothing against Matt but in this day and age where the driver is the face of the company by which he is sponsored by Dollar General can't be pleased with Kenseth and I wouldn't be shocked if they jumped to Erik Jones in 2017. 1018. Eric posted: 11.05.2015 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am not saying Matt shouldn't be punished. Matt should be with points taken a way a least. I know a majority ESPN on the turn 4 column today thought NASCAR overrated to how bad the penalty is. One of them even blamed Brian France himself for doing too far in their zeal for manufacturing excitement and drama with their chase elimination style chase. 1019. New 14 & 88 Fan posted: 11.05.2015 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Like I said on his driver page, NASCAR's suspending Matt because he exposed the elimination style chase for the steaming pile of shit that it is. Hopefully the fallout from this manufactured stupidity leads to the elimination format being axed but I'm not gonna hold my breath. 1020. David posted: 11.05.2015 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) https://medium.com/@TonyJWriter/kansas-martinsville-deference-and-trust-8d20065e7288 This is a great read on the matter, and it provides an new perspective. 1021. 88&4Fan posted: 11.05.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Again, it won't happen, but wouldn't it be so ironic if after last year when Jeff was the favorite and then had the whole Texas/Phoenix debacle that happened came back this time around having almost sleepwalking into the final 8 and sneaked his way to the championship? I'd love to see what DSFF would say if that took place." Well, he's in the championship race, and so far all I hear are crickets... 1022. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.05.2015 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I know a majority ESPN on the turn 4 column today thought NASCAR overrated to how bad the penalty is. One of them even blamed Brian France himself for doing too far in their zeal for manufacturing excitement and drama with their chase elimination style chase." That was Oreovicz(Oreo), he's an IndyCar guy. Some semblance of intelligence amongst the majority of NASCAR writers/analysts that just go off the given bullet points. 1023. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.05.2015 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @983 SPOT ON! If the roles had been reversed, that vocal minority that are all #FreeMatt would've wanted blood. This is why the fans don't make decisions regarding penalties, otherwise drivers like Joey and Brad would be banned for the season for racing incidents (which Kansas and Brad getting into Matt were, but the vocal minority is too dumb to see) 1024. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.05.2015 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, yes NASCAR is inconsistent with their penalties (see the bullshit that happened at Phoenix 2012 and Talladega a few weeks back), but would you rather they do nothing and have stupid shit like this happen week in and week out without any repercussions? 1025. Schroeder51 posted: 11.05.2015 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This is why the fans don't make decisions regarding penalties, otherwise drivers like Joey and Brad would be banned for the season for racing incidents (which Kansas and Brad getting into Matt were, but the vocal minority is too dumb to see)" Banned for the season? Hell, if the NASCAR fanbase were the one to decide on penalties for drivers, anyone who wrecked Dale Jr. would be getting a lifetime ban! I kid of course, but seriously, I have to agree, can you imagine how horrible it would be if the FANS got to determine such things as penalties and punishments? They'd bungle things even worse than NASCAR ever could... 1026. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.05.2015 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR is consistency inconsistent, but the majority of fans are consistently inconsistent in their opinions as noted by post 1004. NASCAR and its fans deserve each other. 1027. Schroeder51 posted: 11.05.2015 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (9) (0) 1004: This...is probably the truest comment I've ever seen on the site. NASCAR fans are some of the most fickle and unpleasable fans of any franchise I've ever seen. They ALWAYS seem to want things to be the opposite of what they actually are. We're tired of drafting, let's split the cars up on the plate tracks. Then we get tandem drafting, and these same people demand for the return of pack racing. Do away with GWCs, they say, then NASCAR limits them at the plate tracks and people cry foul over that. I can almost 100% guarantee you, if NASCAR ever WERE to get rid of the Chase and go back to a season-long points system to determine the champion...many of the VERY people who wanted the Chase to be done away with would then proceed to whine and complain about people running away with the titles and then beg for the Chase back. Don't tell me they wouldn't, you KNOW they would... 1028. The Long Shot posted: 11.05.2015 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First Racing-Reference comments page to reach 1000 comments since the 2015 Daytona 500. 1029. racefangurl posted: 11.05.2015 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 1023, he's not in jail is an objection raised to #freeMatt on Twitter. I find that hashtag silly. If someone didn't know who or what he was, they might think he's a slave or wrongly imprisoned, things like that. 1030. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.06.2015 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I find that hashtag silly." Personally I find all hashtags silly. 1031. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.06.2015 - 12:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Exactly, Schroder51. While the head of NASCAR makes very questionable decisions, about 90% of their fans will NEVER be pleased with what they do. I would rather have half full stands but satisfied fans than full stands and fans that complain about everything. I don't even think that NASCAR is declining as much, but I think most fans minds are hypocritical and their opinions have suddenly changed. Just like NASCAR's opinions always change. 1032. racefangurl posted: 11.06.2015 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We can only hope Texas won't have all the drama we've seen lately. A clean race is what us NASCAR fans need. 1033. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon's last race in AARP colors before retirement ends with him in victory lane. The organization, and its Drive to End Hunger, were a staple on his race car from 2011 to 2015. He won six of his 93 races in their colors. 1034. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Barring any surprise one-off appearances from him in the years to come, this is Jeff Gordon's 93rd and final career win. Glad he could add at least one more to his total before hanging his helmet up. 1035. JJ24 posted: 12.11.2015 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last win in Jeff Gordon's career 1036. M posted: 10.09.2016 - 7:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I get chills watching this race and seeing the victory celebration. What a way to cap off a career. 24Ever 1037. M posted: 03.22.2017 - 7:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, looking at his Martinsville stats for this fall race specifically, he has won this race with every single crew chief he's had. 1996 - Ray Evernham 1999 - Brian Whitesell (Won the first 2 races after Ray Evernham left) 2003 - Robbie Loomis 2005 - First victory with Steve Letarte after Robbie Loomis left) 2013 - Alan Gustafson 2015 - Alan Gustafson That's really incredible to me. When Jeff was on here, he was ON. And he should've won the 2014 race as well, but he didn't because when anybody else on Hendrick is in trouble or needs to finish well Jeff is expected to lay down and help them, but when Jeff needs help to finish well for the Chase everybody gives him the middle finger (Johnson, Earnhardt) and then team orders all of a sudden go out the window. But I digress. 1038. Aaron posted: 03.24.2018 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One of the most memorable races of all time in my opinion. Penske was cruising in what appeared to be a pretty predictable victory for the #2 or #22 but a series of events handed Jeff Gordon an opportunity to pick up his first win of a lackluster farewell 2015 season. i haven't heard a crowd at a race as loud as they were this day since. 1039. SweetRich21/43 posted: 08.03.2020 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commentators consisted of Rick Allen, Jeff Burton and Steve Letarte. The pit road reporters were Marty Snider, Dave Burns, Mike Massaro and Kelli Stavast. 1040. TheDewCrew posted: 11.01.2020 - 10:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) It's been 5 years now since arguably the greatest race of the Gen-6 era. Beating and banging, wheel to wheel racing, crashes, tempers flaring, a storybook final win, one of the most popular wins of all-time. This race still stands as an all-time classic ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: