|| *Comments on the 2015 Ford EcoBoost 400:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. Tide1032 posted: 11.19.2015 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (8) Last And Final start for Jeff Gordon 2. 88&4Fan posted: 11.19.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Is this the Homestead race page up already? 3. Smiff_2 posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Man, I am SERIOUSLY rooting for Truex. Just imagine if he actually pulls this off! From unfairly outcast scapegoat to champion in just 2 years! 4. RaceFanX posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jeff Gordon qualifies fifth for his final race. He's running a special silver with flames paint AXALTA scheme this week to mark his last ride. So it has come to this. The last race of the 2015 Chase. Kevin Harvick vs. Jeff Gordon vs. Kyle Busch vs. Martin Truex, Jr.: best finisher takes all! 5. someone posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Last race for MWR as a team. 6. Schroeder51 posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick failed to make round 3 after being fastest in the first round. Gordon actually came within a minute or so of actually failing to advance past round 1! 7. RaceFanX posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is the final race for Michael Waltrip Motorsports before the team disbands. Sadly MWR's pending demise means that all of the Toyota teams that were part of the manufacturer's inaugural Cup season in 2007 will now be defunct. This is Clint Bowyer's last start for MWR, where he has run since 2012, before he moves over to Harry Scott's effort. Sam Hornish, Jr. makes his final start for Richard Petty Motorsports. 8. Schroeder51 posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) They really should've saved the retro rainbow paint scheme for this race rather than the Bristol night race. It would've been EXTREMELY appropriate for his last start. Man, things are going to be really weird next year without Jeff around. There's a lot I really want to say as a...well, near life-long Gordon fan, but I think that will be best saved for after the race. All I can say is I'm not sure who would be my new favorite driver come next year... My heart wants Gordon or Truex to win (even if admittedly Gordon hasn't exactly had the most deserving season). The logical side in me says Harvick and Kyle will own the field on Sunday, however... 9. RaceFanX posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justin Allgaier makes his last start for Harry Scott, having run for this team in its various Turner/Turner Scott/Scott incarnations since 2011 when he was still in the Nationwide/Xfinity series. He's heading back to the Xfinity series with JR Motorsports next year. 10. RaceFanX posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick makes her final start in the GoDaddy car, she's been racing for them in multiple series since 2010. The website developer is retaining her as a spokeswoman but will no longer sponsor her race car in 2016. 11. MAR posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeb Burton ends his miserable rookie season with a dnq. I hope this season didn't damage his future. 12. Kenny posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Yeah my top choices are harvick or Kyle but I'd be ok with Jeff @Racefanx come to IM please I've been want to talk to you for a long time(sorry I know you guys don't like me doing this but it's the only way I know to get ahold of him) 13. joey2448 posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon made his first Cup start in Richard Petty's last start. However, there is no driver in this field making their Cup debut. Really looking forward to this race Sunday, but also dreading it. I feel my emotions are going to be all over the place as a diehard Jeff Gordon fan. I echo Schroeder's thoughts in saying that as much as I would love to see Wonder Boy walk away with his fifth championship, it would further expose the current championship format, as Gordon has not had a year worthy of a champion. Coming into this race, he ranks 10th in the 'Non-Chase' standings (the year long format). Appropriately enough, the guy that I'm thinking of replacing Jeff as my new favorite driver (Ryan Blaney) starts alongside the 24 on the grid in sixth place. It was just announced earlier today (Friday) that Blaney will be competing full time in the No. 21 Wood Brothers Ford in 2016 as a rookie. It will also be the first full campaign for the Wood Bros. since 2006 with Ken Schrader. In my opinion, Blaney is more than ready for Cup. Just look at his starts in Cup thus far, he has the outright speed and has truly shown the ability to pace himself when he needs to. 14. RaceFanX posted: 11.20.2015 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) (My AOL quit functioning on my computer because of its age. Sorry Ken.) This is Furniture Row's last race with Chevrolet before they switch to Toyota...wouldn't it be weird to win the champion right before dumping their Chevys? 15. Kenny posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Goddammit race alwell I know it's not your fault How is the weather looking this week I don want a repeate of last week 16. TS1420 posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "This is Furniture Row's last race with Chevrolet before they switch to Toyota...wouldn't it be weird to win the champion right before dumping their Chevys?" Not that weird considering Penske dumped Dodge for Ford after winning in 2012. 17. RaceFanX posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How is the weather looking this week I don want a repeate of last week" Rain in the forecast all three days. 18. Ryan W posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Man, things are going to be really weird next year without Jeff around. There's a lot I really want to say as a...well, near life-long Gordon fan, but I think that will be best saved for after the race. All I can say is I'm not sure who would be my new favorite driver come next year..." I guess you could go with Chase and go from there... 19. Ryan W posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Not that weird considering Penske dumped Dodge for Ford after winning in 2012. " Good point, but I think Dodge dumped themselves. 20. MAR posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last race Gordon Fans set the dvr's record it save your last memory of the rainbow warrior. 21. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @19 When a performance car manufacturer drops out of NASCAR, something is seriously wrong. 22. The Long Shot posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "Last And Final start for Jeff Gordon" You heard it here, folks: not only is this Jeff Gordon's last start, but his FINAL start as well. You thought the two words were synonymous? WELL YOU THOUGHT WRONG. 23. 88&4Fan posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Not necessarily his last race. Its his last race as a full time driver. 24. joey2448 posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "wouldn't it be weird to win the champion right before dumping their Chevys?" "Not that weird considering Penske dumped Dodge for Ford after winning in 2012" Also, Joe Gibbs switched from Pontiac to Chevy after winning the 2002 Winston Cup with Tony Stewart. 25. David posted: 11.20.2015 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Not necessarily his last race. Its his last race as a full time driver." Considering that nearly every track has made some sort of tribute to him this year, and and all the hoopla about him possibly going out with a championship, it would be rather awkward if he made another start. 26. JG24Ever posted: 11.20.2015 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @25 Kentucky, Martinsville, and Indy would be the only two places I could see him making starts again, but even then, it'd be hard to do with the cap on cars fielded by a single organization. 27. Canadianfan posted: 11.20.2015 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think Jeff would drive any car not numbered 24. I could see him doing Eldora in a truck that's about it. 28. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.20.2015 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "it would be rather akward if he made another start." *Cue flashbacks of Mark Martin's Salute to You tour and then decided to race for another 8 years* 29. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.20.2015 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Bell out of gas. May be a caution. 30. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.20.2015 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Whoops, wrong page. 31. Schroeder51 posted: 11.20.2015 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Also, way to go Ryan Blaney for getting a full-time opportunity at Cup next year with the Wood Brothers. Considering the amount of potential he has shown in the lower series and in his few Cup starts (when he hasn't broken down or failed to qualify thanks to rain), it would be SUCH bullshit to keep him running the partial Xfinity schedule (sharing time with Brad and Joey so Roger can get his important Xfinity owners' title) and partial Cup schedule he ran this past season. He REALLY needs to be running full time somewhere. Hope Penske gives the #21 some good equipment for next year! 32. Sector posted: 11.20.2015 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I honestly wouldn't support Jeff making any more Cup starts after this weekend. This should be his final start ever in the Cup series. I never liked the whole "part time for 10 more years" idea (alas Terry Labonte, Bill Elliott, etc) 33. Captain51 posted: 11.20.2015 - 10:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talking about Jeff, I wouldn't want to see him in the Cup series post retirement. I think it would be fun to see him run an Xfinity car on a road course or a truck at Eldora. Either of those aren't likely, but one can dream 34. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.20.2015 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't watch any of it, but how is Harvick's HMS motor? 35. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.20.2015 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Interesting quote from NASCAR Radioactive: Stewart: "Why is the 41 behind us?" Spotter: "He got black flagged for jumping the start." Stewart: "I thought he was leading the race and coming to lap us already." Yeah, that pretty much sums up Stewart's 2015 season. 36. joey2448 posted: 11.20.2015 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "it would be rather akward if he made another start." I do believe that Gordon left open the possibility of running a few select races in the future after this year. He made some mention of that before this season started. Here's the quote: "I've decided 2015 will be the last time I compete for a championship. I won't use the 'R-word' because I plan to stay extremely busy in the years ahead, and there's always the possibility I'll compete in selected events, although I currently have no plans to do that." 37. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 11.20.2015 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Updates #23 Overture Promotional Product Agency #62 Premium Motorsports 38. Tyson posted: 11.20.2015 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can pretty much guarantee he won't run anything next year. I think if we see him race anything at all next year, it would be the Rolex 24 at Daytona, and only if Corvette asks him. 39. The Long Shot posted: 11.20.2015 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I do believe that Gordon left open the possibility of running a few select races in the future after this year. He made some mention of that before this season started. Here's the quote: "I've decided 2015 will be the last time I compete for a championship. I won't use the 'R-word' because I plan to stay extremely busy in the years ahead, and there's always the possibility I'll compete in selected events, although I currently have no plans to do that."" I had been wondering about that. Everyone's been acting as if this is certainly going to be his last race ever, when I had thought (as you pointed out here) that he had left the possibility of returning for certain races out there. 40. The Long Shot posted: 11.20.2015 - 11:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hope Penske gives the #21 some good equipment for next year!" They will; nay, they have to. I fully believe Penske is 100% behind Blaney as a driver of the future and will do whatever they can to help him succeed in this opportunity. 41. 88&4Fan posted: 11.20.2015 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think if he comes back, it'll be the Brickyard because its his home track and also because of how horribly it went this year. 42. SpeedWorld97 posted: 11.20.2015 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I can pretty much guarantee he won't run anything next year. I think if we see him race anything at all next year, it would be the Rolex 24 at Daytona, and only if Corvette asks him." As much as I would love to see Jeff Gordon in one of the IMSA GTLM Corvettes, unfortunately the Corvette Racing team already named Marcel Fassler and Mike Rockenfeller as the third endurance drivers for the #3 and 4 cars. That basically means that Jeff Gordon will not race at Daytona or Le Mans next year. I'm still hoping that Jeff will be able to have a similar opportunity though, because racing in the Rolex 24 or at Le Mans would definitely bring a lot of outside interest into that discipline of racing and would be just as awesome as when Dale Sr. and Jr. impressively scored on podium for Corvette Racing at Daytona back in 2001. 43. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Truex wins the title, I think he would have to set the record of the worst points finish before a championship season. Going from 24th in points last year to a champion this year would be impressive. 44. racefangurl posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (6) Sam Hornish, Jr. is not a good driver. All the Roush drivers beat him. Given how bad Roush is, that says it all. Especially with Aric Almirola in the top-15. Harvick is starting 13th, so maybe he won't be champion. 45. Sean posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Sam Hornish, Jr. is not a good driver." He was the best IndyCar cookie-cutter duelist EVER. But better IndyCar drivers than him (Montoya, Franchitti, Villeneuve) have failed (well, Montoya was really so so/mediocre, same as Allmendinger) so it should be no surprise he has not succeeded either. 46. racefangurl posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) 45, I meant not a very good NASCAR driver. 47. Sector posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:02 am Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Harvick is starting 13th, so maybe he won't be champion." You really have got to stop making a fool out of yourself. 48. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:15 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Given how bad Roush is, that says it all." Please. Hornish has been equal with Stenhouse and better than Bayne all year. And shouldn't Roush be better than RPM? 49. joey2448 posted: 11.21.2015 - 3:53 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Harvick is starting 13th, so maybe he won't be champion." Yeah, you can't win from there. 50. Premium Doesn't Suck 62 66 94 98 posted: 11.21.2015 - 7:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates: #23 Overture Promotional Product Agency/Estes Express Lines #62 Premium Motorsports 51. Cornys posted: 11.21.2015 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch said that he'd seriously consider entering the 100th running of the Indy 500 if he wins the Championship this year. I don't care to see him win the Cup, but him running in the 500 would be awesome :) Last ride for Gordon. I doubt he'll ever race again to be honest. This is it for him in NASCAR and probably all of racing outside of maybe a charity event or two. 52. Alex posted: 11.21.2015 - 7:57 am Rate this comment: (8) (0) "Harvick is starting 13th, so maybe he won't be champion." At this point, you cannot keep attributing absolutely moronic statements like this to autism because autism =/= stupidity. And all of us who fit under the autism blanket do not appreciate it. 53. MAR posted: 11.21.2015 - 8:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Hornish has not been equal to stenhouse outside of the penske cars and Almirola Stenhouse has been the next fastest in the Ford group. He just can't keep the car out of the wall. Biffle is has been more consistent and is a wheelman he drive anything loose. Hornish and Bayne have been bad this year but hornish just isn't a cup driver he wasn't develop properly thanks to Penske. And there's all kinds of issues on the #6 which I'm not going into. 54. 88&4Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 8:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) I think one could even make the argument that Sam has been the most successful driver out of all the other racing series drivers who came to NASCAR in the late 2000s (Montoya, Ambrose, Speed, Carpentier, Franchitti, Villeneuve, Papis). First of all he is the only one who has even sniffed a championship on any level, and he's also the only one who is still in NASCAR. 55. Spen posted: 11.21.2015 - 8:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean: Answering your question from the last race's comments, I've made it through 1959 on my "Latfordization". That would be supremely awesome; I really don't have the time that I used to have to do them properly. I've settled for just running points for a few really notable drivers. 56. Spen posted: 11.21.2015 - 8:59 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) By the way, I'm hoping that Gordon can manage to lead 80 laps this race, and finally crack the 25,000 lead laps mark. 57. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.21.2015 - 9:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (4) How did Harvick look in practice and qualifying? Did he look down on power at all? 58. Cornys posted: 11.21.2015 - 9:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Montoya finished 3rd in the F1 points in 2002 and 2003. He also finished 5th in 2004 and 4th in 2005. We could have tied for the title in 2003 (not sure about the tie breaker) if he didn't drop out of the final race while leading. That's very impressive in my book. 59. Roger posted: 11.21.2015 - 9:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) Harvick only qualified 13th and everyone knows damn well he'd have been on the pole by 10 mph if that f***ing Rick Hendrick hadn't deliberately given him a crap engine just to help his precious Princess Jeffy steal a completely undeserved championship!!! Seriously moron, shouldn't you be out shopping for more Reynolds Wrap? You're going to need all the tin foil you can get on Sunday. 60. Canadianfan posted: 11.21.2015 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin only ran five laps in first practice but he was pretty quick. Rain came and they never got a chance to Get back out there. Second practice is in 20 minutes. 61. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:03 am Rate this comment: (5) (0) @54 I would give that honor to Montoya. He managed to win 2 races in Cup (albeit road courses), made the Chase and actually contended, all with little prior stock car experience. That alone makes him the best NASCAR driver from an open wheel background in that time period. 62. Michael posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:06 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) I expect Sunday's race to be much like Friday's truck race -- a typical boring Chase race with few cautions and none of the yellows involving the Final Four drivers. The question is whether NASCAR will do like Friday and let the race play out naturally instead of finding a paper cup on the apron in turn 2 if or more likely when the race gets especially boring? If it proceeds naturally, obviously that favors the best car winning or at least finishing ahead of the other 3 contenders, and the best car is clearly the #18. However, although NASCAR likely does not want the #4 to be the champion because of his shenanigans at Talladega, if there is one driver among the other 3 who can drive up through the field and challenge even while NASCAR frowns at him and shakes its collective fist, that's Kevin Harvick. I expect the final points to be almost as close as they were in 2011, but this time the Chevy isn't going to win it. 63. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:09 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Harvick is starting 13th, so maybe he won't be champion." Ryan Newman started 21st last year and came about half a second away from winning the title. Use your head. And besides, the only reason you don't want Harvick to win is because Bayne was the victim of Talladega, which is pretty ridiculous now that it was more than a month ago. I applaud you for not saying HarvICK in that post, but that's about it. 64. Alex posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:13 am Rate this comment: (5) (0) Kyle Busch makes me think of another famous #18 with a reputation of throwing things away. 65. David posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) Gordon winning the title would be the feel-good way to wrap up this season (blech*) but I think NASCAR would much rather have its first Toyota champion (blech, again) than everyone talking all winter long about how much Gordon was a deserving champion in his final season (hardly) or whining all winter long about how the fix was in. * I'm no Gordon fan and never have been, but I don't go as overboard hating him as much as some of the conspiracy theory nutjobs. He's leaving, I won't have to watch him anymore, and I wish him well in his new career where I can just hit the Mute button to avoid him altogether. But if an undeserving driver like Gordon winning makes NASCAR dump this idiotic playoff garbage once and for all then I'm all for giving it to him, but sadly NASCAR would not change a thing. In fact they'd be happy as a clam. 66. Canadianfan posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The final four teams are worried about rain affecting happy hour so there is a bit of a hurry up going on a lot more running in this Second practice even as I speak it's beginning to spitting a little bit. 67. MAR posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:31 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) Doesn't Stewart Hass lease all the engines before the season starts or do they get them in a week to week basis. 68. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (5) (3) Whoever wins this title, it will be undeserving. Busch missed 1/3 of the season, Harvick crashed his way in through Dega, Gordon has had one of his worst years ever, and even Truex doesn't have the stats of a champion. Needless to say, 2015 will make the Chase look like a joke. And what will NASCAR do? Zilch. 69. Canadianfan posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Red flag is out for rain in practice number 2 70. 88&4Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Except Peyton Manning is a class act. 71. Anonymous posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:01 am Rate this comment: (2) (6) "Doesn't Stewart Hass lease all the engines before the season starts or do they get them in a week to week basis." Its Stewart HAAS, not "Hass" got it moron 72. 88&4Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:04 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "And besides, the only reason you don't want Harvick to win is because Bayne was the victim of Talladega, which is pretty ridiculous now that it was more than a month ago. I applaud you for not saying HarvICK in that post, but that's about it." But don't you realize? Bayne was actually on track for a rare top fifteen, possibly top ten finish! 73. David posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Needless to say, given my Gordon fandom, but #65 wasn't me, who's been posting for a couple weeks now. "They will; nay, they have to. I fully believe Penske is 100% behind Blaney as a driver of the future and will do whatever they can to help him succeed in this opportunity." I sure hope so. Blaney may assume the role of my favorite active driver next year. If I'm going to pick one, I may as well make it a young gun, right? 74. James W. McLaughlin posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, Jeff Gordon -- this is it, your last race. True, you won only once all year. But who knows? You just might win #5. But even if you don't, no one can say that you didn't try. So go out there and give it all you got! Pax tibi. 75. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) To add on to what I said in post 61, here is the list, in my opinion, of the best and worst open wheel to stock car transitions in Cup. After the top 4, there isn't much success. 1. Tony Stewart 2. Juan Pablo Montoya 3. Marcos Ambrose 4. AJ Allmendinger 5. Sam Hornish, Jr. 6. Scott Speed 7. Danica Patrick 8. Scott Pruett 9. Patrick Carpentier 10. Max Papis 11. Dario Franchitti 12. Christian Fittipaldi 13. Jacques Villenueve 76. Tyson posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Hornish got a couple Xfinity wins and contended for a championship. His Cup results might not reflect it, but he's done well. Scott Speed got a Truck win and should've won the ARCA championship...but then Stenhouse happened. I think he could've done well in NASCAR, had Red Bull not rushed him. The same goes for Allmendinger. AJ got lucky he was given more opportunities to prove his worth after Red Bull nearly screwed up his chance. 77. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's why I said the best transitions "in Cup." When creating the list, I didn't take into account any of the results in the lower series, because for the most part the majority of them were rushed. 78. Tyson posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The problem with guys like Carpentier, Franchitti and Villeneuve is they waited way too long. All were getting up in age, and Carpentier in particular, was already close to retirement. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. 79. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Good point, but I think Dodge dumped themselves." I don't think it was a case of Dodge leaving NASCAR, but no teams wanted to use them, because I remember that Dodge had unveiled a Gen 6 car for 2013, but no teams used it. Penske's switch back to Ford definetly worked though, as they have established themselves as arguably the best team the last two years. 80. RaceFanX posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "best and worst open wheel to stock car transitions in Cup. After the top 4, there isn't much success. 3. Marcos Ambrose" Is Ambrose really an open wheeler? He ran Formula Ford in Australia and Britain but he had a ton of experience racing with fenders in the V8s before he took his stab at NASCAR. 81. Ryan W posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (4) (3) "Whoever wins this title, it will be undeserving" I believe Harvick is more deserving than anyone out there regardless of 'dega controversy. He has performed better than anyone ALL year. Sorry, I guess I still have a lot of Winston Cup in me. 82. MAR posted: 11.21.2015 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) @71 who ever the F**k you are you can go to hell. People on here recently have gotten to me with their immaturity and childish ways. If you didn't know there is a thing called auto correct and it changed the word Moron!!!!!!!!!!!! 83. Canadianfan posted: 11.21.2015 - 1:07 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I think that FIAT also had a role in Dodge leaving NASCAR. 84. Ryan W posted: 11.21.2015 - 1:29 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "I don't think it was a case of Dodge leaving NASCAR, but no teams wanted to use them, because I remember that Dodge had unveiled a Gen 6 car for 2013, but no teams used it. Penske's switch back to Ford definetly worked though, as they have established themselves as arguably the best team the last two years. " Ford offered a longer and better deal to Penske than what Dodge offered/could do. Tbh, after Penske decided that they were leaving in early 2012 there wasn't a whole lot of opportunities to find a team(s)/driver(s) and if they did it would be like starting all over again. One has to remember that Dodge had to madke an alliance with Italian automaker Fiat after their parent company Chrysler filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. Fiat owns the majority of Dodge/Chrysler now and they pour more money into sports car racing than anything else. Dodge downsized a lot after they filed bankruptcy. After Penske said they were leaving that would have left Dodge looking for a mid-level team/driver going up against Hendrick, JRG, Roush, Penske, and Stewart-Haas. So one can't really blame them for getting out because it took them a while to get in championship form once they got back to Nascar in 2001 (it took them 11 years to win the title). It was nice to see them go out on top. Dodge/Penske/Keselowski 2012 team are really underrated. As a Nascar fan it really is amazing to see how they all three magically came together and get Kes his first title, Penske his first title, and Dodge their first title since they came back in 2001 after being out 24 years. So, it was a business decision for Penske to go to Ford because of more money and backing and it was a business decision for Dodge to get out when they did. I never cared for Dodge, but I hope they make it back some day. I think it's good to have as much competition as possible, especially with a car make with so much heritage in our country. Dodge is capable to make it back, I believe timing is the key and they're just waiting for it all to come together at the right time again. 85. Sean posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Spen, I sent you the complete Latford points for 1960-1974 to the email address you once emailed me from in 2012. It took me a bit longer than I thought it would (primarily adding the points for most laps led to the regular points and converting my driver ids to driver names). Using the Latford 1975-2003 points, four titles change hands: Richard Petty wins instead of Joe Weatherly in 1963, Bobby Allison instead of Petty in 1972, Cale Yarborough instead of Benny Parsons in 1973, and Yarborough instead of Petty in 1974 (although 1972 and 1974 were VERY close). 86. Dream On posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) Fantasy scenario for tomorrow: Denny Hamlin or Carl Edwards "accidentally" on purpose wrecks Jeff Gordon (Kenseth can't risk it) to help his JGR teammate Kyle Busch, or at least cuts a tire down or something like that with the laps winding down, and puts Gordo out of contention with too little time left to make up for the damage. In retaliation, Jimmie Johnson slams Kyle Busch -- who was just about to clinch the championship -- coming to the checkered flag, and Kyle spins out which allows Martin Truex, Jr. to win the 2015 Sprint Cup Championship by finishing 15th at Homestead, and the crowd goes wild! What about Harvick, you ask? Oh, let's say that NASCAR avenges Harvick's little stunt at Talladega and finds a pit road penalty or two on the #4 team, ensuring that he isn't in the running at the end tomorrow. 87. David posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) ^ The scenario proposed above would be amusing to watch, minus the whole "Jeff Gordon gets wrecked in his final race" deal (at least for me). 88. Roger posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Since we're dreaming out loud here, let me add to that fantasy: After the race, Jimmie Johnson & Kyle Busch have a catfight as the crowd goes even more wild, since 90% of the fans hate both of those drivers anyway. 89. Ryan W posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh, let's say that NASCAR avenges Harvick's little stunt at Talladega and finds a pit road penalty or two on the #4 team, ensuring that he isn't in the running at the end tomorrow. " I think if anyone does anything it will be the drivers. I don't think Nascar has as a problem with Harvick like people might think. Although I don't think he has it in him to do it, I would think Jr. would have the right to do something. 90. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (10) (1) Since this is the last race before they close their doors, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank MWR. Thanks for the seemingly endless supply of laughs. From the jet fuel saga right out of the gate, which was placed there by "one rogue member of the team" cause, as we all know, you can get jet fuel anywhere (I wonder how much they paid David Hyder to keep quiet and go away), to the "accidentally" stolen sway bar, to the countless DNQs, they were a laugh a minute. In all seriousness, they harmed the sport a lot. Spingate 2013 was a huge black eye for the sport. They made Dale Jarrett's last days in the sport a complete embarrassment, made sure Reutimann never had a chance, and damn near cost Truex his career. And who can forget putting McDowell out there to nearly kill himself (Texas) and others (Watkins Glen). And Ernie Irvan is the weapon! Through it all, Mike you showed his true colors. A real piece of garbage who will give a phony, blatantly transparent smile through it all. He totally washed his hands of Hyder and Truex, taking zero responsibility for their "rogue" actions. And who can forget Speedweeks 2011? Doing all he could to cash in on the 10th anniversary of his buddy's death. Playing the VICTIM of the events on the last lap of "The Day". Why him? Why did his big moment have to be overshadowed? They did last longer than I thought they would. And they had more success than I thought they would (6 wins more as a matter of fact). But all Mikey proved in the end is that he is completely useless. Good riddance moron. 91. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.21.2015 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) NASCAR 2015 has been a truly God awful season from the suspension of Kurt Busch, The Retirement of Jeff Gordon, The Injury to Kyle Busch, The Qualifying controversy at Daytona, The Tragic Death Of Steve Byrnes, Austin Dillion nearly going into the stands at The end of the Firecracker 400, The Madness & nonsense of the point system, Kenseth vs Logano Round 1 at Kansas, Harvick acting like a complete douchebag at Talladega and getting away with it, Kenseth vs Logano Round 2 at Martinsville which culminated in Kenseth getting suspended for 2 races. All these events along with egotisctical & bland personalities, crappy tv coverage, horrible officiating and abysmal racing The 2015 NASCAR sprint cup season might just be the worst season in the sports nearly 70 year history in fact the only positive thing that can be said about NASCAR 2015 is it ends tomorrow. 92. The Long Shot posted: 11.21.2015 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I sure hope so. Blaney may assume the role of my favorite active driver next year. If I'm going to pick one, I may as well make it a young gun, right?" Blaney might be my favorite as it stands, even ahead of Logano. Phenomenal wheelman with personality, yet not a douche like some (*cough* Gray Gaulding *cough*). "@71 who ever the F**k you are you can go to hell. People on here recently have gotten to me with their immaturity and childish ways. If you didn't know there is a thing called auto correct and it changed the word Moron!!!!!!!!!!!!" Calm the f*ck down, dude. The guy's obviously a troll and it's too late in the year to be getting this worked up. It's the holiday season, the racing season's almost done: let's just all take a collective deep breath and hold hands around the metaphorical campfire while singing "Kumbayah", alright? 93. racefangurl posted: 11.21.2015 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) The 13th thing refers to Harvick starting worse than the other three and 13 being an unlucky number, supposedly. NASCAR drivers are sometimes superstitious about 13, so I was playing on that. 94. racefangurl posted: 11.21.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 52, I didn't mention autism this weekend, so why are you bringing it up? 95. Jocke posted: 11.21.2015 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Why would Kyle winning the championship or not tomorrow affect his decision to drive the Indy 500 next year. I don't see why the two are connected. Has he mentioned this in any way? 96. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.21.2015 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The biggest problem with NASCAR today is real simple no direction, no organization and more importantly No Leadership 97. Sector posted: 11.21.2015 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #13 has nothing to do with anything. Harvick could win the championship by finishing 13th and he wouldn't care about where he finished. Ever think of that? Your comments are mere flaws to your arguments. 98. Alex posted: 11.21.2015 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) "52, I didn't mention autism this weekend, so why are you bringing it up? " Because, for the last 18 months, it has been your continuing excuse for your obnoxious and insidious behavior. 99. 88&4Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Heck, Harvick could win the championship by finishing FORTIETH. 100. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.21.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @92 What is it about Gray Gaulding? 101. racefangurl posted: 11.21.2015 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 99, so could any of them. Gordon could finish 40th, with Truex 41st, Harvick 42nd and Kyle 43rd. Or Truex could be 13th, Gordon 18th, Hrvick 30th and Kyle 35th because of a blown engine. 102. Smiff_2 posted: 11.21.2015 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Since you all wanted to know (I'm kidding, of course lol), here's MY fantasy scenario for tomorrow, in list form: -The race starts ON TIME and runs to completion without delay (I know, I know...extremely unlikely) -There are a few assorted spin-outs or wrecks throughout the race, thus avoiding any unnecessary, unnatural cautions due to lengthy green flag runs. -At the 300 mile mark, the final 4 are all running close together in the top ten. -In the late stages of the race, while battling for the lead, Harvick roughs up Kyle just a bit. Then, Kyle, still reeling from his bitter defeat on Saturday, says "f**k you" and dumps Harvick into the wall whilst simultaneously being hit from behind by another car, resulting in HIM eating some wall, too. -Then, as those two are duking it out in garage area somewhere, Truex gets a strong run off the high side coming to the finish and dives underneath Gordon and nips him at the line, winning the race AND the title in stunningly triumphant fashion. C'mon, I'm not asking for much here....LOL 103. Sector posted: 11.21.2015 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That would be legit, except I wouldn't have liked Gordon losing that one lmao 104. Sector posted: 11.21.2015 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And I might be eating my words here but I also want Kyle to win the Cup just because of how talented he really is, barring choke hazards. 105. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.21.2015 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Brian France should never have been put in charge of NASCAR He isn't capable of operating a hot dog stand much less running the biggest motorsport organization in America. 106. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's my wacky predictions: Harvick dominates the race but his Hendrick R&D motor blows up in front of the field on the restart. Blinded by the smoke, Martin Truex, Jr. among others crash into the mess, ending their days. Kyle Busch is the top driver, but then gets wrecked by Kahne, sending him to the garage. Edwards then punts Gordon into the inside wall, and Gordon wins the title by finishing 37th. Chaos ensues afterwards. 107. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) My predictions for tomorrow: My Panthers defeat the beleaguered Washington Redskins to advance to 10-0, but not by a whole lot. They will be looking ahead to the big Thanksgiving game in Dallas. The Panthers playing on Thanksgiving, never thought that would happen. Then I will go to my friend's house to watch Survivor Series, which will go on despite the ISIS threat. I am as put off by how far wrestling has fallen as I am racing. But these PPVs are good excuses for us guys to get together and talk shit to each other cause that's just what we do. I predict Roman Reigns wins the championship which is a damn shame. He has no charisma or in ring talent. 4 years ago, CM Punk was absolutely right in everything he said about this company. But me and my buds will have fun. Those are my Sunday predictions. 108. racefangurl posted: 11.21.2015 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I like 102's scenario, especially Truex's win. 109. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.21.2015 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @91 I knew this season hasn't been great, but man when you put it like that...it really has been bad. Maybe the worst ever. "I think Harvick is more deserving out of anyone there." I would agree with that. The Dega crash really wouldn't have happened without the eliminator Chase and Harvick has been the class of the field. Although the Chase this year will be filled with controversy, I would want him to win it the most from a logical perspective. 110. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (4) (3) Since everyone else is doing it, here are my wacky and completely unrealistic predictions for the race: Kevin Harvick dominates the first 200 laps. Kyle Busch runs around fifth for most of the race, Martin Truex runs between 5th and 10th for most of the race, and Gordon runs between 12th and 15th. (Okay this could actually happen) Then, around lap 200, a Jacques caution comes out, everyone pits, and Harvick's crew gives him a too many men over the wall penalty sending him to the back. (Okay, this also could actually happen) Now here is where it starts to get crazy. On the ensuing restart, Trevor Bayne intentionally wrecks Harvick, ending his championship hopes much to racefangurl's delight. Fast forward 60~ laps. On lap 266, Matt Kenseth is in the lead, Joey Logano is second, Martin Truex is third and Kyle Busch is fourth. NASCAR throws ANOTHER Jacques caution to bring out a GWC. EVERYONE except for Kenseth, Logano, and Jeff Gordon (who was running anywhere between 10th and 15th) pit, and on the ensuing restart Kenseth and Logano both wreck each other resulting in NASCAR banning Kenseth for life and Tom Logano being arrested for trying to murder Kenseth. This sets up a second GWC with Gordon in the lead, Kyle Busch second (he passed Truex in the pits), and Truex third. Gordon runs Busch all the way up the track on the restart and lets Truex go by to take the win and the championship. Kyle Busch punts Jeff Gordon head-on into the inside wall coming to the finish line on the last lap, and all 43 pit crews take turns beating the ever living sh*t out of Kyle after the race. Gordon says screw it and decides to come back next year just so that he can wreck Kyle Busch in every race. Meanwhile Brian France sits back and laughs with his evil laugh at the circus that he has turned this once great sport into. How's THAT for a crazy race? Oh and Jason as a Skins fan, congratulations on the win tomorrow. You guys are really good this year. 111. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) "all 43 pit crews" The 18 crew would beat its own driver? lol But I have to say, of the senarios, yours is easily the funniest. 112. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You guys are really good this year." Meanwhile, my Cowboys have been bad ever since Romo got injured. The season is pretty much in the trash for us. 113. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:13 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "The 18 crew would beat its own driver? lol" They've been waiting to do it since 2008. lol 114. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Through it all, Mike you showed his true colors. A real piece of garbage who will give a phony, blatantly transparent smile through it all. He totally washed his hands of Hyder and Truex, taking zero responsibility for their "rogue" actions. And who can forget Speedweeks 2011? Doing all he could to cash in on the 10th anniversary of his buddy's death. Playing the VICTIM of the events on the last lap of "The Day". Why him? Why did his big moment have to be overshadowed?" The sad part is he is continuing to use Dale's name and their "friendship" for books, money, and fame. What a joke. You couldn't have said it better. Dale provided me with a lot of good wtf moments during his career. However, a couple of bad wtf moments was when he blacked out at Darlington and when he signed Michael. He must have really felt sorry for him... Btw, does anyone know why Waltrip and Buffy got a divorce? A couple of people I know told me that she caught him with another dude. No kidding. Does anyone know if this is true? "Meanwhile, my Cowboys have been bad ever since Romo got injured. The season is pretty much in the trash for us." I was hoping my boys could knock of the Patriots and ruin another undefeated season they had going last week, but apparently we still don't seem to understand the concept of clock management and how to close this year. "Then I will go to my friend's house to watch Survivor Series, which will go on despite the ISIS threat. I am as put off by how far wrestling has fallen as I am racing. But these PPVs are good excuses for us guys to get together and talk shit to each other cause that's just what we do." My favorite PPV by far is the Royal Rumble. The 1992 RR is my favorite when Flair won the title. I loved it a few years ago when the Godfather made a random appearance in it (although he was put out of it almost as quick as Bushwacker Luke which was 4 seconds). A funny fantasy would be it raining before the race and NBC is taking pics of the 4 title contenders and all of a sudden Logano comes out of no where behind the pit box with a chair... Hits Truex, Busch, and Harvick in the head with it and comes to Gordon and looks at him (like when Shawn Michaels started to tear up when he was about to deliver the super kick on Flair in Flair's career ending match) and says, "I'm sorry, but I have to do this" and knocks Gordon out with it. All of a sudden Roger Penske, Brian France, and Mike Helton all start walking out from the garage to Vince McMahon's "No Chance" song while the 4 contenders have to go to the hospital and are unable to start the race. France pulls out the championship belt and gives it to Logano telling him that Nascar is going to revert back to the round when he won all 3 races and award him the title. As for the race, it finally quits raining at 2:00 A.M, Nascar decides to race after hearing all the complaining from Phoenix last week.... Danica known for her all-nighters breaks Ned Jarrett's record and wins the race by 25 laps. 115. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm still sticking with my prediction off of Talladega Message Board #866 and still believe that Jeff Gordon will win the championship for the fifth time (first Chase title). After this race there will be no more full time drivers that raced in the 1992 Hooters 500. :( 116. John Royal posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One season is again coming to an end, too bad, I enjoy watching these races. And again one winter in uncertainty whether my TV operator renews the broadcasting rights for 2016 season. 117. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:46 am Rate this comment: (7) (2) Funny, I was gonna come here to this page and make one final farewell post. That's how put off by NASCAR I am. Although I won't be posting anywhere near like I used to, as that would require watching the races, I'll still be around. I haven't posted all year until last week because I haven't watched any NASCAR this year except the last 10 laps of the Daytona 500, the last 10 laps of the first Pocono (word got out that Truex was gonna win), the last half of the Southern 500 (that lower downforce package wasn't immediately put in place for the rest of the races because.......?), then I watched the end of Kansas and Talladega and remembered why I quit watching. It's hard to believe I am so over such a life long obsession. NASCAR used to mean the world to me. Every week, I wouldn't miss anything. From the time I was a little kid, pulling for the coolest superhero out there, The Intimidator, until the end of 2013, I didn't miss anything. I came back under my real name. Like I said last week, DaleSrFanForever faded to black due to what happened to the sport. DSFF would not only watch every lap of every race, going to races meant fun. I went to almost every Martinsville race for the past 13 years. This year I didn't go to either, and never regretted it. I wish I would have come back under the name "The Diamond Tower". That is the huge 40,000+ seat grandstand at CMS that we used to fill to the brim. You couldn't see pit road, and could only see the roofs of the cars as they went through the tri oval. But we still filled it...... until we didn't. They had to finally stop selling tix there due to the TV eyesore it was to see all those empty seats, and they finally tore it down. The empty space there is so poetic. A symbol of what once was, and is now gone. Just like my fandom for modern NASCAR. The sad thing is, there is no one thing that led me away. Bad racing, the chase, the schedule, the new cars, 3 teams that control everything, etc. But one thing stands out above all others.... no driver to get emotionally invested in. You need that one driver to live and die with every week to make it through 36 races. As most of you know, I foolishly chose Brad as my driver for a number of years, and it bit me bad. See the Fall 2013 Martinsville page for the gory details. That day, Brad finally put out the flame for good. But I enjoy a good historical racing debate. So I'll still be around. 118. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is nothing I want more than to see Gordon go out as the winner and Champion. The only other driver to win his final race in either Cup or F1 is the guy who I think is the greatest driver in motorsport history: Jim Clark. Clark won the final 3 Grand Prix of his career and in doing so; became the winningest Grand Prix driver of all-time, in his final race. and let me clear something up: Grand Prix dates back to 1906, when they held the very first GP in France, under the title: ACF Grand Prix; F1 began in 1950. I became a Gordon fan after seeing him win the 2002 Southern 500, which was my very first Cup race, that wasn't qualifying. I had purchased a 1991 Traks card set the year before, early in the season, to obtain a Jeff Gordon rookie card. I put that card in my pocket before leaving my house to go to Darlington, and I didn't take it out until after he had won, and I showed it to my dad, as if to say: "I knew he's win". I can't say that i've ever found Gordon to be anywhere near as cool or interesting as Big E or the Iceman(Terry, not Kimi),but I do like his driving style, which is a perfect blend of David Pearson and Dale Earnhardt. Gordon is one of the eight greatest drivers, along with: David Pearson(who I rate as the greatest.), Richard Petty, Big E, Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, Darrell Waltrip and Jimmie Johnson. In all the years i've been a Gordon fan he has gone 0-13 in the title department, and though it may be a "weak" Championship, it would still feel great to finally see him get that 5th title. I watched Gordon lead that first lap of the 1993 Daytona 500 live on T.V, and 795 races later, I hope he leads that last lap. 119. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:36 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The dolphins game vs the Cowboys will consume majority of my time today so I'll probably just see the end of the race today but I have a feeling it will rain. But anyways I'm not rooting for my Favorite driver Kyle Busch to win today I'll be rooting for Truex or Gordon. I'm OK with Harvick winning he's the most deserving of group and Talladega shouldn't have tainted his flawless season. 120. Peter posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Weather is predicted to be a factor, and it'll be interesting to see what happens if there is a scenario like there was last week. I'm willing to bet NASCAR will just call the race, because it's obvious they don't give a crap about being fair to their drivers anymore. 121. Darrell posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @90 Still not sure why Earnhardt took Waltrip over his long time protege Ron Hornaday, who already had a great relationship with NAPA and had earned a quality Cup ride. While he never would have been a Cup championship, he still would have won several race and been an overall more consistent performer in the #15. Oh well. The team was a firestorm, but Kauffman and Harris made them look respectable. Jarrett was always an ass who got away with racing like an entitled douche (like Harvick does today), so I wasn't sad at all to see his career go out on a whimper. Sadly, I'm sure we'll be stuck with Michael as a commentator years to come. 122. Jaws_Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:35 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ because Mikey and Dale were friends for years and they always talked about working together one day. Dale's respect for Darrell probably had a little bit to do with it too. 123. LI85 posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR in MBC will probably do everything in their power to make sure Truex doesn't win the title, because he's not a "name" driver. In their eyes he will not be marketable and that's a shame that money is the only thing that drives the sport now. 124. LI85 posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) *NBC 125. JRacingFast posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going to the Viking/Packer game so i wont be able to see the race at all......Heres to a great safe race and hopefully no contravorsy.....P.S. Hopefully mother nature stays away Go Truex! Go Gordon! SKOL VIKINGS! 126. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:04 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) The only reason MWR was successful as it was because of Rob Kauffman. In 2007 they were absolutely hopeless and the team didn't go anywhere until Kauffman got on board. And they had to have a heck of a PR team. They got sponsors like Domino's, Burger King, UPS, NAPA, Aaron's, and 5 Hour Energy even after all of the controversy they were in, which included the jet fuel at Daytona, the stolen sway bar, Spingate, and even smaller stuff like the DNQ's, dumping Reutimann, and possibly ruining Truex's career. While its definetly my least favorite team, it will be a shame to see two less (somewhat) competitive cars on the grid. 127. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) One of the most recent drivers to retire as the defending champion was Alain Prost in F1 in 1993 and the last (and only) person to do it in Cup was Ned Jarrett in mid-1966. 128. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Scattered thunderstorms are in the forecast from 5-7 PM, but everything is clear before and after then. So most, if not all of the race should get in today. 129. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) @121 Bristol 2005 didn't warrant calling Jarrett's driving as being an "entitled douche" It was an isolated incident. Jarrett was a hell of a driver and comparing him to Harvick is an insult. 130. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:36 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "comparing him to Harvick is an insult." You do know that Harvick only has one less win than Jarrett, right? 131. Darrell posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's plenty of other examples besides Bristol, mainly the way Jarrett treated his teammates on the track and in the garage. 132. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @126, NAPA was with Mikey at DEI and had Aaron's as a sponsor back when MWR was nothing more than a part-time Busch team. IIRC, UPS came over with Dale Jarrett and left the season when Dale retired after running the first few races to get the new team in the top 35. Just saying that Kauffman shouldn't get too much credit for making MWR a competitive organization for a couple years. To Spen/CanadianFan, I have the champions for the 68-71 and 72-73 Point Systems done from 74-present. I'll post them when it gets sooner to race time. 133. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All of the Hendrick cars are running yellow numbers for this event as a tribute to the retiring Jeff Gordon, who has always run the same stylized yellow #24. It's somewhat of a throwback for the #5 and #48 teams as both of them used to run yellow numbers in the early and mid 2000s. 134. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Big Mac and Ryan W are Cowboys fans? You're dead to me now. (lol jk) No seriously I actually don't hate the Cowboys as much as I probably should considering I'm a Redskins fan, the team I hate most is either the Eagles or the Seahawks mainly because I can't stand the fans of those teams (but I will admit there are exceptions to the rule) and of course the Eagles are also division rivals. 135. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I predict there will be a very close match between Djokovic and Federer today. that's all I'm saying. 136. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.22.2015 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the record, here is my analysis of the title contenders in the race. Harvick: has to be the favorite. With the Penske cars out of it, he has had by far the most speed of the four. Only concerns are his inability to close out wins (trouble if he is racing another contender in the end) and and HMS screwery. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but Rick is a convicted felon and his organization has a history of dirty dealing. But the fact is, after Dega, a championship by him would be tainted. Badly. I'd normally say that would damage the sport, but it is past the point of no return. Kyle: Breaking his leg turned out to be his best friend. By running 500 races a year, he is always mentally spent by the start of September. This year he had 3 months to relax emotionally. Has had speed, but not like the 4 outside of that one burst in the Summer. Gordon: hasn't had speed all year. And if it comes to a late restart, he is done. But he will keep his car in one piece and be there if the others falter. Truex: can beat Gordon on speed, but will need help from the 4 and the 18 to beat them. The sentimental favorite for all the crappy luck he's had in his career and how fun it would be to see FRR standing tall over HMS, SHR, and TRD (like AK Racing beating Junior and Yates in '92). But unlikely. 137. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) I bet today's race goes 160 laps and then it rains hard then NASCAR calls it and then Jeff Gordon is our 2015 champion. ;) 138. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) My only thought is that the final 4 will all finish inside the top 10 and that's it. Being a fan his entire career I really hope Jeff Gordon pulls it off if he doesn't It sucks but that's life and you have to move on. When Jeff hangs it up after today I will no longer have a favorite driver I'll continue watching because I like to watch racing and that's it. 139. Eric posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is my take of the 4: Harvick- He's my pick to win it, but this is a team that can make mistakes on pit road or bad calls. Kevin not always closing wins doesn't help. Kyle Busch - He's my 2nd pick for winning the chase if Harvick or his team screws up. This season Kyle is stronger down the stretch as a chase driver compare to the other times he made the chase. Kyle has been steady, but doesn't have the spend as he did for 4-6 race stretch. The other thing is Kyle's 2005 win at Phoenix is the only time he won in the final 10 races in a cup season for his entire cup career. Jeff Gordon - Him and Truex can finish 3rd. Jeff concerns me at homestead due to the 24 team usually didn't have any speed at any 1.5 mile tracks this season outside of Chicagoland. Martin Truex - He is faster than Jeff on 1.5 mile tracks this season, but his team was faster earlier this season. 140. Sean posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "how fun it would be to see FRR standing tall over HMS, SHR, and TRD" It would be primarily fun as a parting shot to the departing MWR, which nearly ruined his career. And how does Montoya feel about this, considering he was offered the #78 car first before they chose Truex instead. Well, granted, he did choke away the IndyCar title this year after leading the entire season until the final race then losing a tiebreaker to Dixon, so I guess he has egg on his face regardless. 141. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) 136 is an idiot for comparing FRR to AK Racing just saying 142. Sean posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) It's a better comparison than the people who were comparing Stewart-Haas Racing to AKR when Stewart won the title four years ago. 143. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Big Mac and Ryan W are Cowboys fans? You're dead to me now. (lol jk)" Hell No! I bleed Giants blue! 144. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is anyone actually going to watch the NBSCN broadcast instead? It's cool that they are doing this, but I feel like it will be a waste. 145. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tim McGraw performed a pre-race concert before the start of this race featuring a stage adorned with the cars, probably backups or show cars, of the four Chase contenders. The Gordon car even had his silver special paint job. 146. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, what do you consider "minor" races? I'm assuming we're going by Texas, Chicago, Kansas, Kentucky, Vegas, Pocono, Fontana, Michigan and possibly Dover? 147. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its a good idea, but nah, I will be watching NBC. I actually want to see a race instead of an iso-shot of the chasers with no one around them. 148. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) My take on MWR is that I can't say that I'll miss them very much. I can't believe that Michael Waltrip would have the absolute NERVE to play victim and try to capitalize off of Dale Sr.'s death. That's just horrible. Outside of 2003, the man didn't have any good seasons, and only ran well on the plate tracks. (Imagine what would have happened had he won the 2011 Daytona 500 or the 2012 fall Talladega race!) The drivers that I feel sorry for are: -David Reutimann From 2008-2010 he actually did pretty honorable in the three years he drove for that team, and nearly made the Chase for the Sprint Cup. Had Mikey done the right thing and kept him on board, he might have had a solid career, even if he never won another race. What is David doing these days? -Dale Jarrett I think that Dale should have retired after the 2007 season, IMO. I don't think the poor guy knew what a scumbag Mikey would turn out to be. I would have had Dale in the #44 for that year, then had Reutimann run the #44 the very next year. -Mark Martin One of the classiest fellows in NASCAR. How he lasted over there, I'll never know. It would have been a storybook victory had he not gotten bumped out of the way by Joey Logano at the end of the 2012 spring Pocono race. And thank God he left before that scandal at Richmond. -Martin Truex Jr. Even though I really want Jeff Gordon to win the title, I think it would be wonderful to see Truex Jr. win it, because he was the guy who was unfairly punished for SpinGate. 149. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know you guys don't want to hear this but according to Jeff Gluck's timeline: "It hasn't rained all morning in Homestead. But the late start time might end up hurting... the radar is getting ugly. Looks like a big cell". Have been saying for 5 years that this race needs to start earlier. Not only is finishing the season on Sunday night depressing, but this start time shortens the window in cases of rain. But just like the 2009 Daytona 500, NASCAR will wait until the damage is done and THEN change things(just as they ended up doing for the 2010 500). 150. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) But unfortunately with MWR closing it means Waltrip will in the booth even more than ever. 151. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I've just never liked any of the Championships ending at night. I wish they would end in mid afternoon. 152. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I could see them doing live look in's during the race something like "here's what's you are missing on NBCSN right now". In any case I don't have the ability to watch him NBCSN in Canada I'll just be watching NBC like most people. I have that channel in HD I don't have TSN2 in HD which is the Canadian channel showing the race. 153. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and the rain has the potential to screw everything up today. Let's say we had another Phoenix episode where it started pouring and one of the four ran terrible but was up front because of pit strategy and they end up undeservedly winning the title because they call the race for rain. If this was a 36 race battle, no one would mind much because the Championship standings really wouldn't be affected.. But since it's the Game 7 Super Bowl World Series Final Four Extravaganza, there we would be a TON of outrage if something of that nature happened. 154. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I hope the championship won't be decided by questionable officiating, but I have my doubts about that, given the four that are vying for the championship today. Of the four contenders for the title, I believe the only one NASCAR really wants to win the championship is Kevin Harvick, because of things revolving around the other three. The last thing NASCAR wants is to not be able to celebrate it's reigning champion for a full year, and that's exactly what would happen if Jeff Gordon were to win the title, so I think NASCAR may do everything it can to deny Jeff Gordon the title, and I wouldn't put it past them to call a bogus penalty or a questionable caution to deny him the title. And I don't think they want any part of a Kyle Busch championship because he missed 11 races. I can't imagine NASCAR being too happy with having a champion that missed nearly one-third of the season, so they might try to stop a Kyle Busch coronation, if possible. And I don't think they would necessarily want to see Martin Truex, Jr. win the championship, either. First of all, the team Truex is racing for is based in Denver, nowhere near the heart of the sport, or a big market. And also, I don't think Truex is exactly the kind of guy that can represent NASCAR as it's champion as well as Harvick or even Kyle Busch can. I think NASCAR would prefer someone more marketable, and Truex is more like Terry and Bobby Labonte were, in that they shun the limelight, instead of accepting it. Not to mention the fact that if he wins the championship without winning the race today, his TWO career wins would be the fewest for a NASCAR champion since Benny Parsons, who had only two career wins at the time of his 1973 championship. It is for these reasons that, if they had their choice as who they would want to represent them as champion, NASCAR would want to have Kevin Harvick repeat as champion, given the alternatives. Now, in a way, I hope Kyle Busch gets it, if only to expose just how ridiculous this Chase format really is, but I think the factors I mentioned, as well as how good the particular teams contending for the championship are, I have to make Kevin Harvick the prohibitive favorite to complete a successful title defense today. 155. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Those are back-up cars on the stage as Gordon's car was just shown covered in pit lineup. 156. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex has 3 wins. 3 different teams: DEI, MWR, and FRM win. 157. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll say this. If it rains, as it's expected to, expect the end of the race to be on NBC Sports Network, because I believe NBC is contractually obligated to show NFL programming, beginning with "Football Night in America" at 7 PM EST/4 PM PST and then the Bengals/Cardinals game at 8:20 PM EST/5:20 PM PST. And that was the one thing I was concerned about with NBC's plan to use NASCAR as a lead-in to the NFL. It happened last week when the race at Phoenix was delayed more than 6 hours due to rain, and if it rains, the championship-deciding race would finish on NBC Sports Network because of contractual obligations with the NFL. Say what you want about ESPN, but at least NASCAR never had to worry about running into that situation when they were partnered with ESPN the last eight years. 158. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @149 You are right on the money. I believe in 2002, the race started at high noon, if I'm not mistaken. And 2003 and 2004, the race started at 1pm, as did 2010. It was when Homestead-Miami added lights, we got all these late start times. If I was a TV exec, and I knew some serious weather was headed to the track, I would announce the day before, that all the festivities would be moved up, and start the race at no later than 1:30pm. How is the weather looking for the rest of the night? 159. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Ohhh, c'mon, CJS! Character-wise and personality-wise, Truex would be a WAAAAY more fitting champion than Kyle. He's kind, classy, doesn't act like an asshole, and has finally proven his abilities this year. He may not be the strongest candidate stat-wise, but as a champion, he'd be HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Kyle in the class department. 160. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @156, I thought he had only two wins. Thanks for correcting my error. But still, that would be the lowest career total for a championship-winning driver since Benny Parsons in 1973, when he won the championship with just two career wins. Terry Labonte had four when he first won the championship in 1984. 161. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like it's raining a little bit. 162. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not saying Truex wouldn't be a more classy champion than Kyle Busch would be, Smiff_2, because the proof's in the putting. I'm simply saying that Kyle Busch would likely be able to handle the limelight better than Truex would, and certainly better than Kyle himself would have six or seven years ago, when he was simply not ready. And by the way, it's starting to rain at Homestead. Could this be like 15 years ago when the final race of Darrell Waltrip's career was washed out and run on a Monday? Of course, by then, the championship had already been decided in Bobby Labonte's favor. 163. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Probably late but Truex has three wins bud. Dover in '07, Sonoma in '13 & Pocono this year. 164. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Everyone please disregard whoever the troll was who wrote comment 137 because it was not me. 165. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What time does the race start I'm too into the Dolphins Cowboys game. 166. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @165 Supposed to start at 3pm, but it's raining at the track right now. 167. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) CJS I honestly think you're looking too far into it with Truex. Brad only had 9 wins when he won his championship. 168. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well today is off to an amazing start. My fantasy football team has a total of -1 points through the first half of the 1:00 games, the Skins are losing (putting up a better fight than expected though), and Georgetown is losing. Hopefully I'm just getting all the bad luck out of the way now and this means either Harvick or Truex will win the championship. 169. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ah, the downsides of having 3 hours of pre-race celebrations, glitz, and glamour...it's raining at Homestead. If they don't get the race in today, what does the weather for Homestead look like for tomorrow? Any better, or more of the same? 170. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It was raining earlier real heavy in my area the weather moved to towards the speedway now but it's suppose to be a fast moving system 171. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ray Everham and Mario Andretti are both here to watch the race today. Remember: Standard Race Coverage on NBC, Chase-focused coverage of the top-4 on NBCSN- assuming the rain delay doesn't wipe everything out. 172. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Jason(if your still around)what do you think about UNC this year? Many people are saying this is their last good chance under Ol'Roy. I haven't watched a ton since the end of the Hansbrough era to be honest, but I might watch more this year with the new rules(which were badly needed). 173. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have bad news, all: -NBC says race can only stay on network until 7 pm before they'd have to move it to NBCSN. -per Jenna Fryer's twitter page. 174. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What if it is 7 p.m. and there's say 50 laps left there really going to switch from NBC to NBCSN that's stupid that doesn't make any sense It's football pre game the game doesn't start for another hour and a half. 175. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sad to say, but Sunday Night Football is one of the most viewed programs in the states. It would be business suicide to let nascar over run that. NFL makes way much more than NASCAR It sucks for us NASCAR fans, but can't control the weather... 176. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Going by the future cast I just saw, this shower is gonna roll out by 3 then the rain should stay a bit north of the track. Tomorrow's supposed to be sunny with a slight chance of afternoon showers, 75 degrees. Odds are if the race starts today that Bri-Bri's Super Bowl Race for All Extravaganza will be booted to cable by Mother Football. 177. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow now it's really raining hard. 178. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tomorrow's forecast for Homestead is for isolated showers after 1 PM and a 20% chance of rain, Schroeder51. And if the race is washed out tonight, there are also high winds in the forecast tomorrow. They've also had problems with downpours at Dolphin Stadium today during the Cowboys/Dolphins game. And Sector, there's a difference between Truex's situation should he get the title and drivers such as Brad Keselowski and Jeff Gordon, each of whom had nine career wins at the time of their first title. In the cases of Keselowski and Gordon, both were in just their third season at the time of their first championship (and to date, the only championship for Keselowski in NASCAR's highest series), so nine wins was not a low total at all for them at the time of their first championship. But on the other hand, Truex is in his TENTH season in NASCAR's highest series and has only three wins to his credit. Even when Parson and Labonte won their championships with fewer than five career wins at the time of their championships, neither was anywhere near as experience and tenured as Truex is. Parsons was only in his fourth season in 1973 and Labonte was in his sixth in 1984. When Alan Kulwicki won the championship in 1992, he had recorded the last of his five wins, and he was in his seventh season. Truex has more time than any of them had, and except for Parsons, has fewer wins than they had at the time of their championships. So it would be remarkable, and quite possibly unprecedented, for a 10-year veteran with just 3 wins to win the championship. 179. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HUGE downpour right now. Definitely going to be quite a while before this race starts, if it even does start today... 180. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Top 5 greatest Jeff Gordon rivalries: 1. Matt Kenseth--1 and 5 in 1-2 finishes against Matt K. 2. Jimmie Johnson--7 and 4 in 1-2 finishes, but only 3 and 11 in season points battles. 3. Tony Stewart--Watkins Glen 2007, and Stewart's cheer in victory lane, are the best moments in this rivalry. 4. Dale Earnhardt--The 1999 Daytona 500 is by far the best one on one between these two. 5. Texas Motor Speedway--This track played so many bad jokes on him, with 1999 being his worst career wreck. 181. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Jeff Gluck: This race is unlikely to start before 5pm. Blech. 182. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "And I don't think they want any part of a Kyle Busch championship because he missed 11 races. I can't imagine NASCAR being too happy with having a champion that missed nearly one-third of the season, so they might try to stop a Kyle Busch coronation, if possible." Obviously they don't mind or else they wouldn't have made that special rule for him. And it's not like Gordon isn't going to race here or there. He'll be around. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Daytona. I honestly don't think Nascar will have a problem with whoever wins. They had to have known giving 16 racers a chance that an underdog would have a shot at it just like last year with Newman. He was a Kevin Harvick flat tire away from winning the title. 183. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right now it looks like they will be able to get the race in today, albeit on NBCSN. Doesn't matter for me because I get neither channel! 184. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cincinnati vs Arizona is a huge game tonight. It's not like some basement teams playing tonight. 185. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Plus @174-175, there are contractual obligations regarding the NFL that would force the race off NBC and onto NBC Sports Network. As I stated in post #157, this was my main concern when NBC made the decision to use the final few races of the NASCAR Sprint Cup season as a lead-in to the NFL. there was very little time open between the end of the race broadcast and the beginning of the pre-game show in case of inclement weather, and now there's going to be a lengthy delay for the second week in a row. As bad as some say ESPN's coverage was (and I don't think it was as bad as others say it was), this was one problem that ESPN didn't have to deal with regarding their NASCAR coverage, because they didn't have an NFL game on Sunday nights that would have forced them to move their coverage elsewhere. They could have stayed on as long as it was required to show the race to conclusion. 186. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And it's not like Gordon isn't going to race here or there. He'll be around. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Daytona. I honestly don't think Nascar will have a problem with whoever wins. They had to have known giving 16 racers a chance that an underdog would have a shot at it just like last year with Newman. He was a Kevin Harvick flat tire away from winning the title. " How will Jeff Gordon race while in the announcer's booth? 187. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And right when I thought it couldn't get any worse, I turn on the race and its pouring down rain. Lovely. 188. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ah, saw this on Twitter: Why is it raining at Homestead Miami? Because everyone is sad that Jeff Gordon''s retiring so the skies are making this moment last longer 189. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) ESPN the same company that had AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS force off NASCAR. I rather take NBC, enjoy their coverage way more than ESPN. 190. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I can only imagine the HUGE uproar from the fans if they move the championship race to NBCSN. 191. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BTW, speaking of announcer-drivers, Wally Dallenbach, Jr., is coming out of retirement to race in Trans-Am next year. 192. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) What I meant to say is I don't see why NBC couldn't give an extra 30 minutes say this weather hadn't happened you know in case of a red flag for a big accident or what not why they couldn't just Slide the network. I understand tonight's game is big the Arizona Cardinals are my favorite football team But I will certainly not miss this race I love NASCAR more than I love the NFL and that's how it will always be. 193. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, as a Canadian, I get NBC, and not NBCSN, and if it gets moved, I don't have TSN2. So I would have to get a stream. 194. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "3. Tony Stewart--Watkins Glen 2007, and Stewart's cheer in victory lane, are the best moments in this rivalry." I thought when Gordon turned Stewart at Bristol was justice after Stewart bumped him. Stewart did his best to make this a rivalry with his mouth and actions on the track (like he tried to with everyone that was relevant), but a big rivalry never really materialized. 195. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A couple years ago at Charlotte, the first hour of the race was put on I think ESPN Classic because the other ESPN networks already had games on and Baylor/TCU on ABC (where the race was supposed to be on) decided to have an ironman match that went almost 5 hours. 196. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It wasn't a special rule for Kyle, @182. The rule states that NASCAR can waive it's requirement of a driver having to at least attempt to qualify for every race, in case of things like injury. The rule also says that any driver with wins who's in the top 30 in points up to 15 or 16 drivers would automatically qualify for the Chase. And because of how well he ran, Kyle made it up to 25th in points after the 26th race, so he qualified under the rules of the system. The odd thing is that, even if they had made it harder and made it so a driver had to be in the top 25, he would STILL have made it, though it would have been on the border. That's why I think the requirement should be the top 20 in points. A driver should have to be in the top 20 in points to qualify for the Chase if he wins a race, which was the rule a few years ago when the Chase had 12 drivers, the top 10 in points plus two Wild Cards for drivers outside the top ten, but no lower than 20th in points. And there's no possible way Kyle could have raced into the top 20 in points after missing 11 races. 197. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looking awfully bright to the west of the speedway. 198. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 2:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This has been, without a doubt, the absolute worst year for weather. The amount of rain this year has been f**king horrendous. It's like, really now? This year's on-track crapfest hasn't been bad enough by itself? We have to get rain dumped on is every single damn weekend, regardless of geographical location? Much like the on-track product, this weather has been a sad joke. 199. sam wilson :) posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) rain passing through, looks bright to west, get through it quick get ready to go #rowdynation2015 200. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Isn't that what they said regarding Darrell Waltrip's career 15 years ago when his last race was washed out and run on Monday, @188? That year's finale at Atlanta was washed out and run on the following day. For trivia buffs, that race was won by Jerry Nadeau over Dale Earnhardt, Sr., the only win of Nadeau's career. 201. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What if it is 7 p.m. and there's say 50 laps left there really going to switch from NBC to NBCSN that's stupid that doesn't make any sense It's football pregame the game doesn't start for another hour and a half." I'm pretty sure that NBC has contract obligations with the NFL to broadcast ALL NFL content on Sundays in the fall, which includes Football Night in America. 202. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Three drivers have won both a NASCAR Sprint Cup and XFINITY Series title - Harvick, B. Labonte and Keselowski. Truex or Busch can join them. 203. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The rule states that NASCAR can waive it's requirement of a driver having to at least attempt to qualify for every race, in case of things like injury." Well they waived it and he made it with the top 30 rules. I don't think he would be a deserving champion, but I honestly think Nascar would mind if he won. He did win 4 races. They no longer honor a "full-season" champion with the Chase so they probably don't care. 204. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everywhere I see is saying around 5-6 tonight. 205. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ouch Luc I remember when TSN2 first appeared On Rogers I didn't get it because of the package I had and then one day I just started getting it. Before that I use to to miss out on both Michigan races and Watkins Glen they would be on TSN 2 because of blackout rights. I hope you have TSN go That's at least something. If you're really innovative you could get an HDMI cable and hook it from your computer to your TV then you be completely set. 206. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm not a Kyle Busch fan, I hate him. BUT He's a incredible driver and he's matured way more than a few years ago. Yeah he still comes to Xfinity and dominates, but he's a great driver. If he wins, I would be okay since it's not harvick. 207. cjs3872 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But the fact that he missed 11 races would certainly out a damper on a Kyle Busch championship, @203. Would it be legitimate? Yes, according to the rules, but it would make such a title seem emptier than just about any championship in the entire history of the sport. And it's why I think they should go back to the way it was a few years ago, which is the top ten and two Wild Card spots available for drivers below 10th in points, not not lower than 20th. A driver should have to be in the top 20 to be eligible for the Chase. 208. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Hinch! More personality than all 43 guys in today's field combined. 209. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) HINCH IS ON MY TV!!! CanadianFan: I have 1,3-5. I remember Watkins Glen 2012 not being on any TSN. I was so LIVID! 210. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mario Andretti!!!! 211. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "We have to get rain dumped on is every single damn weekend, regardless of geographical location?" How to solve a drought in a region of America: bring a NASCAR race to town. The rain WILL come. Personally, whenever they get started, I REALLY hope for a BS-free race, but that is probably asking for a lot, as I'm anticipating us seeing something REALLY ridiculous tonight... 212. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Saw that Hinch wants to run an Xfinity race some time. 213. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The legendary Mario Andretti and the Mayor of Hinchtown are in the house at Homestead! 214. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hinch is working on a deal for the Xfinity Glen race next year. Hope so!! 215. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Insert don't in 203 216. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I agree I love him for obvious reasons but I think he's a great driver And I hope both him and Daniel Riccardo can make something happen next year In NASCAR. 217. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think Kyle would be deserving, but Nascar must think it's OK. They can't really go back and say it wouldn't be because they made the rules for a special scenario that he's currently in. 218. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As someone who has never been a Gordon fan I will definitely miss him in the cup series. His impact on the sport will never be forgotten and is without a doubt one of the top five drivers in NASCAR history. 219. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alex not sure if you saw this but James Hinchcliffe is at the race and they interviewed him and he said he's a big Gordon fan, thought you'd like that. 220. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (11) so glad this is Gordon's last race, 43rd sounds like a good finish for him lol. 221. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC & NBCSN are currently airing the same thing 222. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 216- Dale Jr said a few weeks ago that Daniel Ricciardo is welcome to drive one of his Xfinity cars on a road course any time he likes 223. typo posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I know i'm feeding the troll but shut the hell up #220. You're probably 88&4 Fan 224. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 223- Read 218. 225. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They say the rain will stop at 3:45- 4, which will allow the race to start at 5-5:30. 226. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) @223 True 227. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) Drivers I like more than Jeff Gordon: Kevin Prince 228. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) Drivers I like more than Jeff Gordon: Wayne Slark 229. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Goodbye Michael Waltrip and your career 1412 laps led (794 from 2001-2005). One can only hope you aren't in the booth a whole lot. I actually put it on mute when he is on. 230. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) 223- WRONG!!! Maybe you should've read comment 218 first before coming to idiotic conclusions. 231. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Posters I respect more than "Bye Bye Gordon": MAR and typo 232. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 88&4 fan, I haven't watched a race since Gordon's M'Ville win in 2013. 233. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lewis Hamilton is there too. 234. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Posters I have more respect for than Bye Bye Gordon: myself, Willy On Wheels, Baker, biffle16, KFC Bone Eater 235. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) F1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton is here hanging out with Jeff Gordon. 236. Canadianfan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lewis Hamilton how about that They met each other At Super Bowl. 237. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And while I'm ranting, it is amazing how much you can tell about a person's character based on which drivers they like and which they dislike. 238. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "myself, Willy On Wheels, Baker, biffle16, KFC Bone Eater " Don't forget Schroeder51 ;) 239. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I'm going to disregard anything 88&4fan posts cause it seems like he's Being trolled by someone. 240. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC showing EVERY drive in the introductions. 241. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC is televising the entirety of driver introductions. I've never seen that before outside of the Winston/All-Star race, and its short field, before. 242. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think FOX shows the whole field for the Daytona 500. 243. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Way to be hated on the Internet #5486: Disrespect a legend in his in final start. 244. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ABC does the full field for the Indy 500 too. 245. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No rain forecast for the rest of the day, so my guess is this one will finish, albeit later than expected. 246. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) No surprise, Matt gets around of applause. 247. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks bright and sunny now during driver introductions (they're actually showing driver intros, imagine that!). Guess this race WILL be run today after all. 248. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Petty just pretty much confirmed what we all knew already, Sam Hornish won't be in the #9 next year. Also, props to whoever chose "She Drives Me Crazy" as their intro song. Mears maybe? 249. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Matt Kenseth returns from his 2-race suspension to a big cheer during driver introductions. 250. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They're gonna have to pry most of these drivers away from hanging with the World Champ. 251. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Posters I have more respect for than Bye Bye Gordon: myself, Willy On Wheels, Baker, biffle16, KFC Bone Eater." Honestly, I think one of the funniest posts on this website was "Roman Bellic" on the 2013 GoBowling.com 400 page from Pocono. 252. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson is getting more cheers than I've heard for him in a LONG time. 253. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For Gordon fans there is nice write up on him and Rick Hendrick written by Ryan McGee on ESPN.com under Nascar on how Hendrick and him got together and how they became a superpower and how Evernham revolutionizing race data, building cars, and pitstops when people thought they were crazy for doing all that. It took a while for the competition to catch up with them. Tbh, people say that Earnhardt benefitted from the Yates/28 "curse" (even though in both '93 and '94 he was leading both Davey and Ernie in the points at the time of their accidents), but Evernham and Gordon was the reason why Yates/Jarrett didn't win more in the mid-late 90's. I think Jarrett could have won 3 titles without the Rainbow Warriors. 254. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) MAR- the only troll post under my name on here was #137 (that wasn't me), just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I'm a troll. And hello, you were one of the ones falsely accusing me of making the "Bye Bye Gordon" comments without any proof. I'm willing to put things behind us if you are. 255. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Drivers I like more than Jeff Gordon: Tracy Leslie 256. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Logano with rounds of boooos. 257. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Going by those boos, Tom Logano's got a lot of battles ahead of him. 258. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bye Bye Gordon probably creamed in his pants when Gordon got wrecked at Richmond in '98 by Rusty Wallace... 259. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The only time Lewis will be at a race and not be the winner or on the podium. 260. I Know Who You Are posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Posters I like exactly the same as Bye Bye Gordon: DB1995, because they are exactly the same person. 261. RWR posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 255 Drivers I like more than Jeff Gordon: Jason Keller 262. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Drivers I like more than Jeff Gordon: Rusty Wallace 263. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Posters I like exactly the same as Bye Bye Gordon: DB1995, because they are exactly the same person. " That's a name I haven't heard in a while. 264. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We were moments away from watching Jeff give his son a talking to. 265. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 88&4fan I'm cool with putting our past behind us I do like you as a poster we just having been agreeing a lot. 266. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Flip cards. I can only imagine France coming up with what he needs to say. 267. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Posters who are more mature than Bye Bye Gordon: MStall41, mister83, b4il3y 268. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Jimmie Johnson is getting more cheers than I've heard for him in a LONG time." Yeah, I think he's starting to slip into his own version of what Gordon's 2005-2008 era was, where everyone sort of stops booing because he's pretty much undoubtedly a living legend at this point. It's happened to every other recent dynasty champion too (Earnhardt, Waltrip, Gordon, etc), so it's kind of inevitable to me. 269. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Bye Bye Gordon: Drivers I like more than Jeff Gordon: Every single other driver in any racing series ever There, already went ahead and said it before he could. 270. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Posters I like exactly the same as Bye Bye Gordon: DB1995, because they are exactly the same person." Doubt it. The guy hated Kyle Larson with a passion, but I don't think he'd troll like this. 271. typo posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Lol KFC Bone Eater XD I kinda miss those adds from 2013 because of my family's reaction. Still not as bad as those dreadful Narwhal Sprint ads that aired every 3 commercials for the Daytona 500 BTW 88&4 Fan, Trollers are notorious of making false claims like #218 to cover up any evidence that they said it. 272. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I was a driver Immigrant Song would be my intro:) 273. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lol KFC Bone Eater XD I kinda miss those adds from 2013 because of my familyďż˝??s reaction. Still not as bad as those dreadful Narwhal Sprint ads that aired every 3 commercials for the Daytona 500" Didn't they kill the Narwhals ad pretty quickly, though? The Bone Eater ones were around for a few months, definitely: I don't know if the Narwhals ad made it three weeks. 274. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Still not as bad as those dreadful Narwhal Sprint ads that aired every 3 commercials for the Daytona 500" Oh God..."NARWHALS NARWHALS SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN CAUSING A COMMOTION CAUSE THEY ARE SO AWESOME" The hell did that even have to do with cell phones? 275. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Isolated rain all over the area. The next one is about 25 miles away. 276. Sean posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I get the historical importance of Gordon's final start, but in the '90s, drivers weren't introduced to the fans like gladiators. I miss that. 277. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Drivers I like more than Jeff Gordon: *CRICKETS* 278. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Schroeder51 beat me to it haha! Funs over. I'll go back to being that db 95 guy now lol 279. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Except that I actually do respect Gordon's accomplishments and I also don't even know who half those people are who the troll brought up (Kevin Prince? Wayne Slark?) 280. Narwhals posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN CAUSING A COMMOTION CAUSE WE ARE SO AWESOME 281. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) " 278. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Schroeder51 beat me to it haha! Funs over. I'll go back to being that db 95 guy now lol " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll By definition, this person is mentally ill and quite deserving of our sympathy, really. 282. Bye Bye DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What did I miss? Haha this was fun with all the wadded panties over Gordon and all but I'm going to work #screw the24!lol 283. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 88&4fan, I am very familiar with Kevin Prince thanks to those months compiling the Autozone Elite Division Southeast Series. 284. typo posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR Fans perspective of the Final FOur Gordon: GORDON WE LOVE YOU! YOU ARE A LEGEND AND HERO TO US ALL WE ALL HOPE YOU WILL WIN TODAY!!! Truex: What an underdog story it would be! If Gordon doesn't when then this is my man to do it! Busch: Not my pick, but if Gordon can't do it, than I hope we see a Cinderella story! Harvick: Umm, Harvick, err, yay, 2 in a row? I guess. I am a huge Gordon fan, I was only 8 when I watched him win Texas in '09. He was my brothers favourite and mine as well. My hardest thing I ever had to swallow was Gordon in 2014 Not making the Round of 4. I'm so happy to see Jeff in this position in his final race ever. I really wish I was down there in Florida right now to cheer on my Man Jeff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 285. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) My recommended method of torture: watch the entire "Narwhals" song on YouTube. Which I just did. I don't know why. Consider my day sufficiently ruined. 286. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "My recommended method of torture: watch the entire "Narwhals" song on YouTube. Which I just did. I don't know why. Consider my day sufficiently ruined." Congratulations, you are a masochist! 287. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I know that good things come to those who are patient, but can we seriously get to the prerace ceremonies? At this rate, we're gonna be cut off at 7. 288. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I feel like NBC is way over exaggerating this race. It's their tone of voice acting like it. 289. Narwhals posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'd probably pick Don't Stop Believing by Journey or Ready to Roll by Jet Black Stare (NASCAR '09 FTW) for my driver intro. 290. RWR posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Post your #drivers i like more than gordon, haha 291. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC is acting like this a funeral. 292. SpeedWorld97 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I still can't believe that this is it. From the first time I watched a NASCAR race 11 years ago (2004 Brickyard 400) I can say I've seen a living legend achieve so much success even this late in to his career. I think it'll take a long time this offseason for me to to finally realize that this is it. From witnessing him win in person at Martinsville in 2013, to meeting him before he drove the pace car at this year's Indy 500, to seeing him win some amazing races (Atlanta 2011 comes to mind) I can safely say that Jeff is as amazing off the track as he is on it. While I was never able to watch Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt race in person I have been able to watch Jeff Gordon, and that is something I will proudly remember for the rest of my life. 293. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I feel like NBC is way over exaggerating this race. It's their tone of voice acting like it." "NBC is acting like this a funeral." Which makes me feel like a higher up in NASCAR is in their ear telling them what to say and what to emphasize. 294. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @RWR: 1 295. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay I admit the Narwhals comment was me. I'm horrible at changing my name back. Consider me busted. 296. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "My recommended method of torture: watch the entire "Narwhals" song on YouTube. Which I just did. I don't know why. Consider my day sufficiently ruined." And yet there are TONS of people who genuinely loved it and probably loved the commercial, too. What the hell is wrong with this culture? 297. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It'd be a lot easier to clear pit road if they didn't give EVERYBODY a pit pass. 298. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whistles blowing finally start race. 299. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As big a Gordon fan as I am...if you thought the Martinsville post race ceremonies were the Jeff Gordon Circle Jerk Hour, imagine what's going to happen if he wins this race AND the title... 300. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just start the f'in race! Rain is coming. 301. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At this rate, we're gonna get over 2000 comments for this race. 302. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 294- Hinch? Or Nico Rosberg? 303. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just start the f'in race! Rain is coming." At this rate we're going to run tomorrow for sure, LOL... 304. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is really stupid. Just start the race. 305. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff's going to get so emotional, that he will wreck on lap 1. 306. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "While I was never able to watch Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt race in person I have been able to watch Jeff Gordon, and that is something I will proudly remember for the rest of my life." I have encountered Jeff Gordon once in my life; June 12, 2008 he came to Greensburg as part of a Habitat for Humanity event to break ground on a new house (Greensburg had been destroyed by a tornado the year before). He signed autographs afterwards and I gave him my hat and die-cast. I've also seen him race once, and that was the 2010 Kansas race, where he finished fifth. I will indeed remember both events for the rest of my days. 307. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tell me about it. I respect the hell out of the man, but I don't think even Richard Petty had THIS much attention for his last race. They must be starting the prerace ceremonies any minute now, or are they delaying proceedings some more? 308. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Gordon told Lewis that Blaney is one of their up and comers. That's high praise from Jeff. 309. joey2448 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow what a moment. It's amazing to see all those racing legends congratulate Jeff Gordon before he climbs in one last time... 310. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris in turn 4: Kyle Busch changing his shoes. 311. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hinch... I stopped giving a damn about F1 a long time ago. 312. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm going to be doing the rain dance, I won't be home for a other hour and I want see every second of it. 313. RWR posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone is interested about Rick Ware Raing? We've got a lack of fan this year. A cool team, okay don't except a win but if you can interested... 314. RWR posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, Ryan Truex is talking with his brother...An attempt to convince also Barney Visser? haha 315. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yeah, I think he's starting to slip into his own version of what Gordon's 2005-2008 era was, where everyone sort of stops booing because he's pretty much undoubtedly a living legend at this point. It's happened to every other recent dynasty champion too (Earnhardt, Waltrip, Gordon, etc), so it's kind of inevitable to me." Although Johnson didn't have as many bad finishes as Gordon did, I can compare this to Jeff Gordon's 2005 season. Both times they won 3-4 races within the first 9-12 races, then went a stretch of being average to below than average. Then Chase time comes, they had to fight their way to win one last race (Martinsville 2005, Texas 2015). Yeah. 316. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well congrats to Jason and his Panthers on the win today, seems like my Skins are only good every other week. 317. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Tell me about it. I respect the hell out of the man, but I don't think even Richard Petty had THIS much attention for his last race." Every single race was a "lovefest" for The King in '92. They had a concert in his honor the night before his final race, Alabama played it. No, Richard Petty got WAY more attention than Gordon. And if Gordon wins the title, people will overly celebrate, just like they always do when the champion is crowned. 318. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Well, I said I was going to wait until after the race to give my thoughts on Gordon's career ending, but since they're taking a full lifetime to start the race, I guess I'll go ahead and give them now: I first saw a NASCAR race when I was three years old, the First Union 400 at North Wilkesboro back in '95. What I can really remember is seeing a rainbow-colored #24 doing battle with the legendary #3 of Earnhardt early in the race, and from that moment on...I was a fan for life. I'm not sure what it was that drew me to Gordon. Maybe it was the rainbow car and how bright and colorful it was? I was a child with Asperger's...Whatever the case, the guy was my hero throughout my early childhood. I still have wallpaper in my bedroom from when I was little of his old Rainbow Warriors paint scheme. I actually idolized Gordon so much that I'll admit something personal and more than a little embarrassing: I actually used to cry and get upset when he crashed! (Hey, I was just a little kid then...cut me some slack! :D I obviously don't do that anymore!) I've seen Gordon race 13 times in my life (2003-2015, Darlington) and can at least say I got to witness him win in person once, the '07 Darlington race. Really made up for the race getting rained out Saturday night and having to spend a few hours waiting in a muddy, sloshy parking lot! :D I'm sad to say I've never met the man in person...However, I am quite proud to say I do own several valuable and sentimental items of memorabilia related to his career. I will definitely never get rid of my vintage "1995 Winston Cup Champion" hat! As I said, Gordon was one of the first people I ever actually looked up to in my life. You can say what you want about the man (I will openly say I'm not proud of EVERYTHING he's done...2012 Phoenix being the best example of that), but the man is a living legend, one of the greatest to ever set foot in a NASCAR stock car. Absolutely going into the Hall of Fame ASAP. His career has lasted...well, practically my entire life span, and seeing his career end makes me feel kind of sad inside. It's like watching a link to my past, my childhood, come to an end. When he's gone next year, all the drivers I fondly remember seeing as a young child when I first got into the sport will be retired or deceased. Really makes me think of how time passes by so quickly... Gordon, thank you for your career and for helping me get into the sport as a boy. I wish you the best of luck in your retirement and look forward to hearing you as an announcer on FOX next year (hopefully that will make FOX's coverage a little less irritating! :D) It was an honor getting to see you race in person, and no matter what happens today, I will always be proud to say I was a Gordon fan. God, I got emotional just typing that... 319. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why the frig do they have 'Chuck' singing the nation anthem??? lol I know he's here to promote Heroes: Reborn, but he's not a singer... 320. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was sick with the flag. 24 Hours of Daytona is so close. 321. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) At post 296: Society got taken over by Idiots, Trolls & cowards 322. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The band Alabama wrote a whole new song that year honoring Richard Petty that year. Ford brought the new Ford GT road racing car they will run in the United SportsCar series to show off during the opening ceremonies. Go get'em at Le Mans boys! 323. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think its great to see all these legends, drivers from other series, and old faces at the track like Hinch, Andretti, Ryan Truex, Papis, Lewis Hamilton, etc. 324. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I know he's here to promote Heroes: Reborn, but he's not a singer..." Yet he just gave a better rendition of the national anthem than about 98% of so-called "singers". 325. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey, don't get me wrong, he did a solid job. It just seemed....odd, is all. For the big season finale, you'd think they could get a major recording artist for it. Just goes to show how much influence the network has. 326. SpeedWorld97 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That was pretty awesome to see the new Ford GT under the American flag! 327. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Welp wish I turned my TV down when Blake Shelton came on. 328. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) Richard Petty gets his family to give the command, Jeff Gordon gets Hoda and a bunch of overall'd yellow blobs. smh 329. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Let me just say I respect Jeff Gordon for what he's accomplished in his 2 plus decade career with NASCAR but don't you think this 24 hour love fest to Jeff Gordon on NBC is going a little bit overboard 330. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Right when I thought we were done with these annoying minions... 331. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Welp wish I turned my TV down when Blake Shelton came on." I've asked this before, but how many people here actually ARE Blake Shelton fans? Me personally, I've never quite understood why country music is so strongly associated with NASCAR other than regional reasons. Could just be me, but typically laid-back music doesn't seem to be the best fit for a sport with high adrenaline, energy, and horsepower. But again, that's just my opinion, and I really hope I didn't piss anybody off by saying that... 332. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wonder how many times the cars will make contact with the wall. 333. that e-guy posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nothing says Jeff Gordon's final start like Minions. 334. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ^The real question is, how many phony cautions will there be for a car lightly tapping the wall? 335. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not sure about the rest of you guys, but pit road looks awfully wet. 336. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Welcome to Present Day NASCAR Chad's Hair Plugs BTW if this were the NASCAR of the 80s or 90s they'd probably forgo the 3-4 hr Pre-Race Show and Start the race immediately 337. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Right when I thought we were done with these annoying minions..." But...But EVERYONE loves the Minions! I mean, I can't think of a more perfect fit for Jeff Gordon's final start than little jabbering yellow bean-shaped guys, can you? (obvious sarcasm) 338. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First NASCAR race i watched was Pocano 98 ironically Jeff Gordon won that race it was the 2nd race in Gordon's run of 4 consecutive wins and part of an absolutely dominant 13 win 98. Gotta admit i hated Gordon until about 06-07 season but man I will miss him IMO he is G.O.A.T of NASCAR congratulations on a great career and go Gordon. 339. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wonder how many times the cars will make contact with the wall." 30+ cars will pancake the wall exceptionally hard, as soon as Alex Bowman slips out of the groove in turn 3, a 20 lap caution will occur. 340. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally it looks like we're about to start the race. Hopefully there are no bs debris cautions or rain delays, just a solid, clean race. 341. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We are ready to go! Personally, I want Harvick to win. Truex has only won once, Gordon has only won once, and Busch missed the first 12 races. 342. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow. I can't believe that card thing in the stands is working. 343. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Every crew member stood out on pit road to salute Jeff Gordon as he made his way out onto the track, harkening back to Earnhardt's tribute after winning the 500 back in 1998. 344. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The grandstand displays remind me of North Korea.... 345. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How ironic is it that Gordon's final race is also MWR's final race (the team that Bowyer drives for)? 346. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon and Minions go together like Oil and Water. 347. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) You know, it WOULD actually be kind of interesting if they actually did have the title contenders start at the rear of the field (considering they were at the back of the row of cars before the engines were fired). Great, I've probably just given Brian France a idea for a future Chase gimmick... 348. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The real question is, how many phony cautions will there be for a car lightly tapping the wall?" If they want the race to finish on NBC, every caution will be local. Speaking of, I'm assuming there's gonna be the dreaded competition caution from the rain, right? 349. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 10-0! 350. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like we might be starting this under a green/yellow. 351. sam wilson :) posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) go kyle 1818181818181818 thank you jeff but go 1818181818 352. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "10-0!" Damn, between the Panthers being unbeaten this season and Clemson topping the college ranks, it's a pretty damn good year for fans of football in the Carolinas, I'd say! 353. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly, Rusty Wallace sounds so much better on MRN than when he was on ESPN. 354. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 2 laps before the green flag drops on the final race of the year. 355. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I REALLY hope this is a exciting, clean race free of controversy. 356. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rick Hendrick actually vacated Gordon's pit box so Mario Andretti could see the start of Jeff's last ride. 357. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is it. Go Harvick, Busch, Truex & Gordon! -Harvick deserves it because the 4 team has been damn good since Daytona and not streaky like other top drivers. -Busch deserves it because of no matter if you agree with it, he came back, played by NASCAR's rules and made the chase via 4 wins and making the top 30. -Truex deserves it because of all the shit he's put up with in his career/life and has taken a single-car outsider team all the way to the final four. -Gordon deserves it because he is a top 3 legend and earned the right to go out on top. 358. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Apparently NASCAR just accidentally blew paper cups, plates and towels from pit road all over the frontstretch. Drivers watching for debris. LOL 359. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's already debris on the front-stretch. Better now, then later.....I guess. 360. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The booth is applauding NASCAR, everyone drink! Letarte just said competition caution lap 25, yippee 361. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How ironic is it that Gordon's final race is also MWR's final race (the team that Bowyer drives for)?" While I feel sorry for the employees and crews that are going to be forced to go job-searching for next season, I for one will not miss MWR. After that ridiculous stunt at Richmond in 2013, I really don't have that much respect for Michael Waltrip... 362. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Apparently NASCAR just accidentally blew paper cups, plates and towels from pit road all over the frontstretch. Drivers watching for debris." The Great Paper Debris Debacle: Part III. 363. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think I like the NBCSN coverage. I wish they would put Jarrett and LeTarte together. I like the in car camera and listening to the guys on the radio. Gordon just mentioned the '92 championship battle. I love it that he appreciates the history of the sport. 364. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1 lap to go before green. 365. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ONE TO GO!!! 366. Jocke posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Jeff Gordon's son: Doesn't shake Hamilton's hand. Doesn't honor the national anthem. Hamilton dressed as a thug. 367. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Woo hoo, a competition caution... 368. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Final green flag of the year! Jeff Gordon's final race is green! 369. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) GREEN is out as the sun sets! 370. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally!! 371. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Joey Logano jumps out front. 372. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, here we go...Coming to the green of the last race of Jeff Gordon's career. This must be how Petty's fans felt when he took the green flag for the last time in Atlanta in '92... Logano jumps to the lead at the start. 373. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought JoLo and Denny were gonna re-enact Jeff's 1st race and take each other out in Lap 1. 374. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, that glare is horrible. 375. Bye Bye Gordon posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) yay only 260 laps til this putrid season is over 376. 71DaveMarcis71 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) An annoying loud jet dryer directly behind Jeff Gordon's car where nobody can hear. Another example of poor, awful officiation by na$car 377. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone should take a count of how many times NBC mentions one of the 4 drivers. 378. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is starting to catch Kyle Busch for third and the championship lead. 379. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Someone should take a count of how many times NBC mentions one of the 4 drivers." As long as it's not a drinking game, because then this website will cease to exist after tonight. 380. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Good battling between Logano and Hamlin. Kyle Busch 3rd, Jeff Gordon 4th, Kevin Harvick 11th, and Martin Truex Jr 13th. 381. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC focusing on the race leaders and not the Final Four? That's surprising. 382. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Commercial after only nine laps. Pathetic. 383. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not surprised NBC talking more about logano and kenseth than the championship 4 384. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Random thought: 28DaveyAllison28, 42KylePetty42, 71DaveMarcis71, and Bye Bye Gordon are all the same individual. I'm willing to bet money on that. 385. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 9 laps in, we get a commercial. Boo... 386. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Final Four Spectacular All-Access channel is in commercial too, can't catch a break there. 387. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess someone has to pay after showing non-stop Jeff action earlier. 388. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 11 JUST BLEW UP!! 389. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski hit the wall via racebuddy. 390. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) At some point commercials will be so common during NASCAR events that we'll have more commercial minutes than broadcast minutes. 391. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 386 They show the exact same commercials at the exact same time. 392. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish's season summed up right there. 393. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 11 car blew up. 394. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny might be blowing up. Newman hit the wall. 395. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin had an apparent engine issue. JGR must have given the #11 one of their disposable motors... 396. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lots of drivers screaming for a caution because there was oil all over the track. Pissed it took so long. 397. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Sigh* Hamlin blows up. Ryan Newman hits the wall. 398. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who do you think will purchase the cars and equipment from MWR after the race? 399. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) They've limited it down to being either a solid, a liquid, or a gas. 400. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin had flames coming out when the car first started to smoke. What in the world is going on? 401. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR hitting the kill-switch on the non-top 4 cars! /tin-foil-hat 402. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If there's going to be commercials at least make them interesting not the same Gordon commercial all year. 403. jabber1990 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) that Peter Pan Geico commercial annoys me, wouldn't Peter be acting like an adult, a 68 year old as opposed to a 12 year old? 404. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow, huge championship implications for Hamlin and Newman. Oh wait, that was last year. 405. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Most everyone comes to pit road, but Logano stays out. Hamlin now thinks it may be a rear gear problem. Gordon gets held up in his pit stall, while Truex takes 2 and gains a bunch. 406. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad and Kurt also hit the wall. Jeff hit something off the 4, nothing major. Also is pissed with the 95. 407. RWR posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MAR: Jay Robinson would buy these cars...and after, big surprise, a new team with former MWR members took the cars for Daytona. 408. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex takes 2 tires and is up to 2nd Busch off pit road first 409. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "that Peter Pan Geico commercial annoys me, wouldn't Peter be acting like an adult, a 68 year old as opposed to a 12 year old?" You forget Peter Pan is the boy who never grew up; I guess for the sake of this commercial that means mentally as well as physically. Still doesn't make that commercial any less aggravating, though... 410. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So how many debris cautions are we gonna have today I say 3 411. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin to the garage. 412. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin behind the wall. 413. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin will likely finish 43rd after starting 1st. 414. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch 5th, Truex 6th, Gordon 8th, and Harvick 10th. 415. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) RYAN BLANEY in 2nd! 416. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Competition yellow moved to lap 30. 417. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 390- Its already happening. Did you ever watch a TNT broadcast? 418. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 3 wide! 419. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bye bye no tires Comp, caution moved to lap 30 420. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2 tires was a mistake. 421. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex and Busch fight, Busch takes the lead from Logano and keeps the points lead. 422. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch going for the lead on fresh tires. Looks like he's DETERMINED to take home the championship trophy today. 423. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Blaney was absolutely OWNED on that restart. Maybe my future favorite driver will have the same weakness as my current one, haha... 424. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) If NASCAR doesn't rig this in favor of Jeff, Kyle will win the Championship 425. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle to the lead, with a teammate behind him. 426. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "RYAN BLANEY in 2nd!" Because he stayed out durrrrrr... 427. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both Jeff and Jr screw the restart. 428. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Dale Jr. honors Jeff Gordon by getting a Gordon restart. 429. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kyle Busch wins the championship, i think he might be the first since 1971 to not run all the races! 430. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick going past Gordon for third. Edwards is in second and probably going to play defense for the #18. 431. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin is back out, 3 laps down. He could potentially get back on the lead lap and in this thing if we get a bunch of quick yellows... 432. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick is on the move. I wouldn't be so sure about Kyle taking this. 433. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle stretching out his lead to 2 seconds. Harvick 3rd, Gordon 4th, Truex 6th. I don't feel that Busch should win the championship. 434. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How is Hornish already a lap down? 435. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Trevor Bayne 10th, WTF? 436. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Trevor Bayne in 10th? what happened? I didn't catch what their strategy was. 437. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornish already a lap down, so Denny won't get one back this go-round. 438. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "How is Hornish already a lap down?" He smacked the wall at around the same time as Hamlin was dropping fluids. 439. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How is Hornish already a lap down? He hit the wall I think 440. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior is moving in the high line. And you-know-who is in tenth pretty legitimately. Also, whats wrong with Kurt Busch? Competition caution. 441. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And the competition caution flies. 442. Christian posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (10) I f**king knew it. Looks like the championship will come down to Harvick and Busch. It just had to be the two drivers I did not want to win it. God f**king dammit. 443. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle complaining about water again. 444. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Competition yellow. These are going to become mandatory in the future, I just know it... 445. Vince Welsh posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Look at Trevor Brain in 10th and Paul Nard in 15th. 446. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Christian up to his usual griping, I see... 447. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Honestly this would be bitter sweet for me if Busch won. 448. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't know if it was already reported on NBC, but according to MRN, Hamlin had a loose rear end fluid line. 449. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 442- "Posters I respect more than Bye Bye Gordon"... 450. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch leads off of pit road. 451. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale lost about 50 spots in the pits due to being stuck in traffic. 452. Marty Houston posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Poor Christian always has a dark cloud over him. 453. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm pulling for Truex 454. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @451 Greg Ives put a packer in the RR, that slows pit stops down. Dale Jr was NOT happy with the feel in the car. That's why he lost time. 455. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Marty Houston a name I haven't seen in a while. 456. 33HarryGant33 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Can not believe what a complete joke this series has turned into 457. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's refreshing to see Jimmie with yellow numbers again. 458. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) GORDON TO THE LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 459. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to the lead! 460. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch again leads to the green. Jeff Gordon moves to the bottom, takes the lead in the race and the championship! 461. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great restart by Gordon. Did I just type that? 462. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A great restart for Jeff Gordon!" Not every day you hear that! 463. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon with the restart of his career! Go away Nap-Time. 464. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Them fake cheers... Nobody was cheering on NBCSN lol 465. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "33HarryGant33" Add yet another name to the list of suspicious posters... Gordon gets a HELL of a restart for once and manages to lead in his final race! And here comes Johnson... 466. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's some advice Christian If you're so offended by those 2 drivers (who I don't really care that much for either) contending for the championship then don't watch the race 467. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson takes second, and Kevin Harvick following through. 468. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now THAT is a restart. Good job, Jeff. 469. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) the 24 picked a good time to be good at restarts again. 470. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's nowhere near over all 4 are in the top 6 471. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle drops from 2nd to 4th as Johnson and Harvick go by him. Don't look now, but here comes that #4 car... 472. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne brings out the caution. 473. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kahne in the wall? 474. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon leads in his final race. 475. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I forgot Kahne raced... 476. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And that sums up Kasey Kahne's 2015 season. 477. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kane's miserably season looks like it finally came to an end. 478. RWR posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne and his Akins Great Clips hits the wall 479. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kahne brings out the caution. 480. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Kasey Kahne blowing a tire. This is gonna be a long one, isn't it? 481. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Was a caution really necessary? 482. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kandy Kahne's dismal season ends with a flat tire. I love the yellow numbers on Jimmie's car. It reminds me of his paint scheme back in his most dominant days. 483. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Official bullshit caution count: 1 484. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only way Kahne can be relevant this year is to bring out a caution. 485. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I may be in the minority, but I don't think that warranted a yellow. Sigh... 486. John Royal posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) More they have cautions, more NASCAR tries make sure that Gordon does NOT win. 487. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Alex, what do my driver likes and dislike indicate about me? As far as who I want to see win it all, Truex is my preferred winner, but Gordon is ok too. Kyle: Not tragic if he does, but I'd rather not see it. Harvick: If he hadn't wrecked the field at 'Dega, I'd say see Kyle. But, due to his Chase manipulation, I'd prefer anyone but Harvick as champ. 488. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So how many drivers have actually led laps in their last ever races? Only two I can think off the top of my head are Dale Earnhardt and-surprisingly-Jimmy Means (who led a lap under yellow in his final start at Rockingham in '93). 489. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) At post 485: Just remember NASCAR threw out a caution at the Brickyard 400 FOR A BALLOON 490. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All these trolls smh 491. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon leads to the green! 492. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick takes the lead. 493. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Edwards has put in the middle on the last two restarts 494. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "All these trolls smh" (Elmer Fudd voice) Shh...be vewy, VEWY quiet. I'm huntin' twolls. Harvick and Busch now 1-2 after the restart. Yay... 495. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great. 496. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jr. wrecks. GOD F-IN DAMIT!!! 497. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon picks the wrong lane for the restart and Harvick takes the lead! Jr & Bowyer wreck! 498. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Crash on the backstretch. Junior and Bowyer both involved. 499. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr crashed on the backstretch Almirola's car is junk 500. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) BIG JUNK! Junior got turned. Mears. Almirola 501. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Gordon's worthy of this championship because it's his last year, Truex due to being an underdog, and Busch because it would show further evidence as to just how much this Chase system blows. 502. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Crash! Dale Earnhardt Jr wrecks. Aric Almirola, Casey Mears, and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. also involved. Clint Bowyer also a part. A disappointing end to MWR. 503. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) It wouldn't be right if Bowyer didn't do something dumb in his last race with MWR. 504. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Multi-car crash on the backstretch. Junior, Almirola, and Bowyer are involved, as is Casey Mears. 505. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer crashes into another backstretch wall. 506. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr. would been fine if Ragan didn't hit him the last minute. 507. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Clint goes out on a perfectly fitting note. Just wish he could have left the 88 out of it... 508. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Huge crash! Hamlin on the lead lap LOL 509. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good thing Homestead has SAFER barrier on the outside backstretch wall. 510. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How fitting for Bowyer to wreck in MWR's last race, considering a certain intentional spin ended up being that team's eventual downfall... 511. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seems fitting that both MWR cars crash in their last race. 512. Sean posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Davey Allison led his last race at Loudon. Not sure whether Kulwicki did. 513. John Royal posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Gordon fails the next restart, or something else happens that knocks him out, it is basically Bowyer's fault. Oh the irony. 514. Sean posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kulwicki also did. Gordon is probably an extremely rare case of taking the lead on track in his INTENDED final race though. 515. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin back on the lead lap. Wouldn't it be kind of funny if he went on to win after spending a few laps in the garage? Has that ever even happened before? 516. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kulwicki led 2 laps at Darlington, his last race. 517. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All 4 chase cars showing speed gordon Harvick and Busch have all led and truex every restart is picking up 1-2 spots and is sitting 6th 518. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #CautionsBreedCautions 519. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Going to get something to eat, so I'll be gone for a while. 520. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bold prediction: This race will break the record for most cautions in a Homestead race. 521. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That pretty much sums up MWR post spingate 522. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) What a wreckfest so far. Sucks for Jr but he had nothing to lose and his car doesn't look that bad. Not at all surprised though that Bowyer had an Itchy Arms moment in Mikey's last race. 523. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't know why it didn't capitlize Gordon and Truex 524. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Michael Waltrip Racing goes out in fitting fashion not with a bang but a whimper 525. Leo posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Been a long time since I've properly watched a NASCAR race. Despite all the silly decisions and controversies, I'm just hoping for a clean, drama free race. Some things you forget when it's been so long: that these Cup cars are ridiculously fast, it's fantastic. And that there are so many ads / cautions! A Jeff Gordon win would be the fairytale finish, a Busch / Harvick fight would be the most appropriate and of course, drama for all four contenders is the other possibility and would put a serious exclamation point on the whole Chase system. 526. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The 48 being shady? Never... 527. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Teams are STILL trying to flare out the side-skirts? 528. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 48 team caught cheating. Big surprise... 529. John Royal posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) How is that shady? Millions of viewers can see it. I'd say that is just dumb. 530. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex up to 5th I know everyone is criticizing MWR, but the reality is that's toe good cars off the grid and it has already cost Allgaier his job 531. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2 532. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick leading to the green. 533. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Perfect ending to this race Truex, Gordon, Harvick, and Busch go 4 wide in turn 3 on the last lap they all crash and try to drive there crashed vehicles to finish line to see who wins the championship. 534. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wouldn't be fitting if we didn't get to see a Trademark Jeff Gordon Restart (TM) in his final race in which he drops about five spots... 535. Jocke posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Imagine if they'd cheated on Gordon's car like they just did with Johnson's. sigh 536. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson is getting a pass through penalty. I got it guys, Hendrick is sacrificing his three other cars so that Gordon can win the championship! Its a conspiracy! 537. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WHERE DID KURT BUSCH COME FROM!!! 538. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is Junior on the track or not? Because the ticker keeps showing him losing more and more laps but isn't saying he's off the track. 539. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer will probably finish last in his final race for MWR. Gordon is falling like a stone. 540. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Clint Bowyer has officially DNF'd in the final race for MWR. How fitting... 541. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Preece with a tire down. 542. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan Preece off the pace with a tire problem. 543. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Problems for Ryan Preece. Harvick still leading the points. 544. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 98's smoking down the backstretch. Eh, no problem 545. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Rick Allen seriously just call Jeff Gordon Kevin Harvick? 546. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon saying he will punt the 1 if he keeps mirror driving 547. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yeah McMurray...move out of the way this time. 548. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) What would Gordon's last race be without an empty threat? 549. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Matt Kenseth missed 2 races and he will have more points in the chase than Bowyer. Now that is sad. 550. Jamie McMurray posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sounds like four time's a little upset! 551. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Harvick in clean air is one of my least favorite things about 2014-present Nascar. 552. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie already back up to 33rd. Junior is back on the track, ten laps down. 553. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Sign of changing times: the future of NASCAR (Ryan Blaney) blows past the retiring legend. Kyle Busch is catching Harvick for the lead. 554. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah Jamie, how dare you run the middle groove. 555. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Lord forbid someone race Jeff Gordon. How dare Jamie Mcmurray do that. 556. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If anything, the closest equivalent to a 1992 Jeff Gordon is Ryan Blaney, since they just made the announcement that he's going full time next year. 557. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If anything, the closest equivalent to a 1992 Jeff Gordon is Ryan Blaney, since they just made the announcement that he's going full time next year." I was just thinking that when NBC mentioned Blaney and Gordon running next to each other. 558. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Matt Kenseth missed 2 races and he will have more points in the chase than Bowyer." I had completely forgotten that Bowyer was actually in the chase. 559. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait Bowyer made the chase 560. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin is already almost back in the top 10 after going to the garage for 3 laps, wow. 561. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Gordon seems to have engine issues. 562. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Although I respect Jeff Gordon I'm not a huge fan of him either because he comes off as a major whiner when someone races him hard. 563. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Where did you hear the #24 was having an engine problem? 564. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch surrenders second to Logano. 565. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "^Where did you hear the #24 was having an engine problem?" "Maybe he won't win. Maybe he has the same engine problems as Roush, and especially Bayne. Maybe Gordon won't win the championship." 566. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex hits pit road as we begin green flag pit stops. 567. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) How are the Rouskateers all ahead of Danica? Just, though and that especially true with Ricky. The Roushskateers were all together until 'Dinger crashed their party, btw. And all the ones mentioned in the first sentence are on the lead lap. 568. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) Don't listen to Racefangurl she just makes crap up out of thin air 569. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) At least 567 was the case when I started typing. 570. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) *that's 571. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano and Kyle leap frog Harvick during the round of stops. 572. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Amazing pit stop #4 team. Not. 573. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 569, I do not. I saw those conditions on my screen as I was typing. It was just that way until green flag pit stops changed it all. 574. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 568,I meant. can't type right this weekend 575. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why exactly does saying that a driver "seems to" have engine issues mean that they had to have heard it from some official source? Gordon isn't looking particularly well right now, engine issues would make perfect sense. 576. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Princess Sparkle Pony is about to go a lap down so expect a caution by the end of the NASCAR break. 577. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch is poised to win the title if things stay the way they are... 578. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) 568 must be blind or a troll. The Roush drivers were 17-18-19 and Danica was 20th. He just hates me and tries to discredit what I saw. 579. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 22-18 = 4 Coincidence? 580. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Illuminati confirmed. 581. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "22-18 = 4 Coincidence?" Sssshhhhhhh! They don't want us to know! 582. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 575, somebody not here said something about Gordon's motor blowing up. I don't get NBC and have only online live race things like RaceTrax and people talking about the race online. 583. Perfect Storm posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Perhaps he just wanted to get this horrible season over. I wonder if Clint Bowyer intentionally wrecked ..sure looks suspicious. 584. John Royal posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon's day is over, he has never recovered from a bad handling car. 585. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Justin Allgaier hit the wall. 586. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Illuminati confirmed." Oh come on, everyone who's in the know knows the Illuminati are the ones really controlling NASCAR...(sarcasm) 587. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Kyle Busch is showing why he's the best driver without a title 588. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Did he really just say that Kyle Busch won eight races in a row in 2008??? 589. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I figured out the Gordon conspiracy 24=42 Which means in Gordon last race will be the equivalent to Larson first win. Which means Gordon will pass the torch to Larson. Naw that makes no sense lol 590. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gordon's day is over, he has never recovered from a bad handling car." Richmond 2012 591. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin blows an engine and he's running in the top 10. Good day for the 11 team. 592. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is not TOO far from being lapped. Wonder if they'll throw a caution to save him... 593. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well theres the end of Allgaier's season. 594. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I noticed a slow car on the frontstretch. Anyone else catch that? 595. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Kyle Busch is showing why he's the best driver without a title" You're being downvoted, but I would actually agree that he's probably the best current Cup driver with no title. 596. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm back, does't look like I missed much. 597. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) With the yellow numbers, Johnson's paint scheme reminds me of his 2006 scheme, whether that's good or bad. 598. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Regardless of how you feel about him, Jimmie Johnson has done a great job staying in front of the leaders for this run. 599. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It appears that Denny Hamlin is having a day similar to the one Bill Elliott had at the 1985 Winston 500 all that's missing is Hamlin making up 2 laps under green 600. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) A Michael McDowell commercial...now there's something new. 601. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Maybe there's a glimmer of hope for Roush. They're all top-20. One's even top-15! 602. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A backmarkers with a commercial? You don't see that often. 603. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, a commercial from Michael McDowell's sponsor 604. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree that Kyle is the best without a championship, but I'd put as weird as this sounds Carl Edwards. He would have 2 championships if it wasn't for this Chase. 2008 and 2011. 605. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope truex can win 606. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson moves to 3rd. 607. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was Jrs damaged race car. On another note, I hope and pray that NBC decides to keep the race on until the checkered flag. I know and understand that the football game is pretty important, but this is the season finale, and it would be a huge slap in the face to the fans that want to see the end. 608. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bold prediction: Larson wins 609. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They'd get more attention if they put that commercial money into their car. 610. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 24-3=21 Doesn't it make since that the two greatest drivers car numbers in the last 20 years make the next big star? Nah that makes no sense either. 611. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Michael McDowell is probably not a good NASCAR driver. He was Kyle Busch's sub at Texas fall 2011 and got lapped. 612. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank God Allgaier will have a better ride next season in his last start with H Scott motorsports. 613. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Another race with a near 100+ lap green flag run. I am surprised, NASCAR. 614. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Another race with a near 100+ lap green flag run. I am surprised, NASCAR." We need this race over as soon as possible. Great news, we just hit halfway. Weather or not we'll know our champion tonight now. 615. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe there's a glimmer of hope for Roush. They're all top-20. One's even top-15!" Be careful, Bayne might fall back to 16th and then some hateful moron will try to make you look stupid. 616. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Michael McDowell is probably not a good NASCAR driver." But don't you remember? His equipment is holding him back. 617. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 24+24=48 618. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson is running down Kyle Busch for second. 619. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson is really fast......until he hits the wall. Like always. 620. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jacques should be appearing shortly... 621. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick pits smoking after slowing down. Did she hit the wall? 622. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex has a small pit fire but it doesn't seem to phase the crew. 623. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex is so fast he's on fire. 624. Howard Salwasser posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 607. I would be shocked if NBC stayed with NASCAR beyond 7 PM EST. SNF is their flagship sports program. 625. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 18-19-20 were 1-2-3 before Kyle came in to pit. 626. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OK I got it I figured out the conspiracy formula it's 4Ă-24-78=18 quick means Kyle Busch will win the championship. 627. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch's a lap or two late pitting. He may lose the Chase top spot. 628. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) It seems no one knows how to make a commercial watchable anymore all anyone who makes these advertisements know how to do is make them really, really unwatchable. 629. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To Schroeder: Trevor Bayne and Jamie McMurray are right together. 630. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex only got 1 can of gas because of that fire. 631. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thats a damn shame for Truex... 632. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch has an extra man and no penalty. They just make up these rules. 633. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's a rule I have never heard. Busch could get another crew member help out. 634. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I agree that Kyle is the best without a championship, but I'd put as weird as this sounds Carl Edwards. He would have 2 championships if it wasn't for this Chase. 2008 and 2011." 2011 probably 2008 probably not. he only "won" by 16 points that year under the onld points system. Homestead came down to fuel mileage. Jimmie and Chad would have raced that race differently had they used the season long points system instead of the chase where he went into Homestead with a huge lead. I really don't think Carl would have won in 08 just like I don't think Jeff would have won in 04. The season long system changes everything and I feel in both cases Jimmie wins both of those titles. 635. PenskeGuy posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson's fun to watch on this track given how well the high groove suits him. 636. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "all anyone who makes these advertisements know how to do is make them really, really unwatchable." I'm looking at you GE. You make a ton of cool, world-bettering stuff yet you make stupid ads that portray millennials as cell phone app-obsessed idiots. 637. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think it's safe to say that the old RR community from about 2013 is back. These last couple weeks I've seen almost every poster from then comment recently. 638. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris will save truex. 639. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actual debris caution. 640. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Real debris. Almost looks like a Hans. 641. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NBC shows the debris in question. 642. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The extra man over the wall is not a made up rule. It's been around for as long as I can remember. Haven't heard it called in a while but I can remember plenty of times where it has been used in the past. 643. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Legit debris benefits Truex. Niiiice. 644. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Jacques in here......... 645. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "ads that portray millennials as cell phone app-obsessed idiots." You say that as if it were not the truth. 646. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Real debris caution, from Dale Junior. *cue the conspiracy brigade saying that was intentional to help keep Gordon on the lead lap* 647. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 616, McDowell got lapped at least 3 times in Kyle Busch's car. JGR was a good team and did not have handling issues in 2011. They did have some blown engines, though. Btw, they're still good. 648. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for legitimate debris off the #88 that's lying on the backstretch. Tony Stewart catches a break. Big break for Truex. 649. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Real debris. Almost looks like a Hans. Someone's decided to drive 'old school' 650. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 24+24=48 651. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The extra man over the wall is not a made up rule. It's been around for as long as I can remember. Haven't heard it called in a while but I can remember plenty of times where it has been used in the past." Quoted for truth. 652. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "you make stupid ads that portray millennials as cell phone app-obsessed idiots." You know why those commercials are that way? Because, sadly, they're VERY accurate. Many young people these days can't handle more than five minutes away from their precious cell phones... 653. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Trevor Bayne is running 16th? Surely this must be proof to racefangirl that he has finally arrived... 654. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wood Brothers Racing '@woodbrothers21 29s29 seconds ago this is an unusual situation in that NASCAR just asked for the piece of debris to be delivered to their hauler. lol wat? 655. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "VERY accurate" Sadly, I can'tt go without 5 minutes without refreshing the comments page even when it's not a race. 656. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm looking at you GE. You make a ton of cool, world-bettering stuff yet you make stupid ads that portray millennials as cell phone app-obsessed idiots." Because most of us are, unfortunately. 657. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Haven't heard it called in a while but I can remember plenty of times where it has been used in the past." Didn't Johnson or somebody get a penalty for it a few weeks back? I can almost swear there was one pretty recently. 658. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) YES 16th racefangurl dream is coming true. Bayne is actually not running like shit. 659. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Busch has little radio communication. 660. jabber1990 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm looking at you GE. You make a ton of cool, world-bettering stuff yet you make stupid ads that portray millennials as cell phone app-obsessed idiots." I saw a Tshirt at a gun show once, "GE, we bring good things to life" and it had a picture of a minigun 661. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait... what is this all about the extra man over the wall I must have missed that. 662. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 652, I rarely carry my phone, outside of when I'm away from home overnight. It's a Tracfone, btw. I make long-distance calls on it or play with it on those occasions I carry it. 663. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle back to the lead on the restart, yay... 664. Stewart14rocks posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Lol tracphone tbh this isn't 2002 665. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Its official. Clint Bowyer will finish 43rd in the last race for MWR. (Cue Nelson from the Simpsons pointing and saying "HA HA!") 666. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Tracfone" Tracfone? They actually still exist? 667. Stewart14rocks #truexnation posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) C'mon truex get er up there. 668. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Just got a notification saying the race will switch NBCSN at 7. 669. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Didn't Johnson or somebody get a penalty for it a few weeks back? I can almost swear there was one pretty recently." I think so, but it's probably because they didn't ask for the extra guy first. That's part of the rule you have to ask. If you don't and send a man over then it's a penalty. 670. Stewart14rocks #truexnation posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not suprised 671. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anyone watching the "Hot Pass" coverage? They have onboard cameras with all of the four Chasers but it looks like they can only run three of the four at a time. Gordon and Truex side-by-side for 11th going for third in the points right now. 672. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wasn't BK the last car on the lead lap during the last round of stops? 673. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Harvick is up to second. Go Harvick! 674. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "Its official. Clint Bowyer will finish 43rd in the last race for MWR." Cannot think of a more fitting send-off for the team that caused Spingate. 675. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just got a notification saying the race will switch NBCSN at 7. Will the Final 4 channel replace an infomercial on CNBC or are they done for the evening? 676. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since we are talking about the GE commercial, the last sentence is 'This isn't a competition." Today's era is all about participation and everyone is winner. 677. Dale Jr posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) A lot of people have helped get me here LIKE MY DAD WHO IS THE ONLY REASON IM IN THIS SPORT HURR DURR 678. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution out for Josh Wise. Leaking fluid. 679. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) The most fitting send off would be Waltrip DNQing in the 500 in Februrary. 680. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Josh Wise blew an engine, which brought out the caution. 681. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Josh Wise. 682. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Martin goes for 2 tires again. Wins the race off pit road, hopefully that and King Air give him a shot. 683. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex and Pearn with the big gamble again. 684. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truex is yoloing it today. 685. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wasn't BK the last car on the lead lap during the last round of stops?" He pitted way early and NBC didn't mention it. 686. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wise's car appears to be running again now, what was the issue? The Hot Pass also had all four on-boards for a moment so I guess they can run all of them. 687. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex in the lead start the rain dance 688. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I guess football rules over everything. In 2006, NASCAR aired the season finale to its conclusion, and it cut into FNIA. The last 100 or so laps of the season finale, and they won't even be seen. Because God forbid one single, solitary minute of an 80 minute pre game show doesn't air. I'm just about done. 689. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 679- That brings up a good question. Everyone's assuming that this is the last race for MWR, but Mikey already has said that he's running Daytona next year. So will he run one of his own cars in a final race, or form an alliance with some low budget team like Premium (like he did at Talladega) or Hillman (like he did at Daytona a few years ago)? 690. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) But if NASCAR cuts into the all-mighty NFL, you KNOW there will be people complaining and crying up a storm if they miss a second of their precious pre-game coverage... Truex is really trying these two-tire gambles tonight. 691. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So will he run one of his own cars in a final race, or form an alliance with some low budget team like Premium (like he did at Talladega) or Hillman (like he did at Daytona a few years ago)?" I thought I heard he was driving for Premium in one of MWR's leftovers. 692. PenskeGuy posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Although I doubt it, I REALLY hope this move works out for Truex. 693. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Come on Harvick! 694. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Thanks to the wreck, Dale Jr is probably going to miss out on the top 10 in points despite having had the best season outside of Logano/Harvick. Unreal. 695. Howard Salwasser posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race remains on NBC beyond 7! May not make it to 8 PM ET, though. This info per @twitter. 696. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whoever said they were switching to NBCSN apparently they're not. 697. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, it's 7. 698. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I saw it on the NASCAR app. 699. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Amazingly, we're still on NBC. No doubt some NFL die-hards are griping right now... 700. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick catching Busch for the lead? Lets go to commercial! 701. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "No doubt some NFL die-hards are griping right now..." I mean, it's not like there's 50 different NFL shows on about six different channels every day of the week. 702. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Kudos the NBC for not bowing down to the almighty NFL. 703. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) So the 2018 Super Bowl will be held at Daytona and ISC will see none of the revenue 704. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick catches Kyle Busch but is unable to do anything with him. At this point I'm rapidly becoming convinced that Kyle is your champion... 705. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I rather take Kyle over Harvick, since the 78 and 24 have no speed. 706. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior got up into the wall. Larson is on the move again. 707. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pit Pass just went to commercial while NBC stays. Mmm. 708. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So was Jr's hit against the wall live or an hour ago? 709. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's pretty much down to Busch and Harvick let's go Busch 710. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) It's like the clock went back to 2011-2012. This is the Trevor Bayne I remember from when Roush was good. And he's talked about a loose race car. If he can run top-20 with a loose car, he'd be 5-10 positions higher with a good car. 711. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR is grabbing NFL viewers to act like the CHASE race had a ton of viewers. We all know it. 712. Howard Salwasser posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 703. Exsqueeze me but, Minnesota is hosting Super Bowl LII, not Daytona. 713. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) People are raging on Twitter. Just search NBC football. 714. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My favorite. How are you making us watch hillbillies drive in circles and miss football night in America @nbc Yes, because highlights of the games that already happened is more exciting. 715. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Truex! 716. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 703. Exsqueeze me but, Minnesota is hosting Super Bowl LII, not Daytona. Thanks Larry Literal. How else can Bri-Bri negotiate with the NFL? 717. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Yep, a bunch of people are whining over not getting to see a 90 minute PRE-GAME show. Let me say that again, a PRE-GAME show. As murb said, there's already oodles of NFL shows on every channel during the week, and missing ONE is the end of the world for some people? 718. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "People are raging on Twitter. Just search NBC football." And I thought Nascar fans had bad grammar. 719. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kyle deserves this title People say he's a jerk, but when I went to pocono this year he took the time to stop and talk and sign autographs. There's a difference between competing and a jerk he's aggressive, but off the track a class act. 720. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) "People are raging on Twitter. Just search NBC football." Hahaha!! NFL fans are possibly more spoiled than NASCAR fans. I couldn't care less about them. 721. joey2448 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon has begun the final 100 miles of his career. 722. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great call for NBC to keep the race on until the end. As it should be. 723. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great call for NBC to keep the race on until the end. As it should be. 724. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Just saw this on Tweeter: "How are you making us watch hillbillies drive in circles and miss football night in America @nbc #disappointed" *facepalm* 725. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Back with race chat, got to love surprise visitors during race-day. Looking like Kyle is gonna take the championship, but a late race caution could change everything. 726. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @NBC_football WTF!? Cars wasting gas & our planets resources over football?! *ssh*l*s..." Yet major head/concussions is better. 727. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looking like Kyle is gonna take the championship, but a late race caution could change everything" Have you watched this year? It will change everything. 728. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Awesome save by DiBenedetto. 729. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was an IMPRESSIVE save by DiBeneetto 730. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) The majority of the people watching the NFL only do so because they have bet on the games...err...have a daily fantasy team to look out for. 731. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Kyle Busch is gonna win the championship isn't he. 732. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I saw somebody say something to the effect of "If I wanted to see idiots in a traffic jam I'd go to the freeway. PUT MY FOOTBALL ON #NBC!" (not quoted exact, just more or less what this comment looks like) These people cry if they miss even a SINGLE second of precious football coverage, don't they...? 733. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (9) (5) Least deserving champion of all time. Miss a third of the season and get the championship. Sad. But that's what NASCAR wanted, a "feel-good" story they created out of their own incompetence. 734. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) Attention Football Fans! Go f**k yourselves! This is essentially OUR "Super Bowl....we're not gonna preempt our shit for your stupid-ass pre-game show. Idiots. 735. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rivalries this year: Jimmie Johnson vs. Kevin Harvick Matt Kenseth vs. Joey Logano Happy NASCAR fans vs Pissed-off football fans #NBC 736. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because GOD FORBID we miss getting to see highlights of games we probably already watched earlier today. Jeez, I thought NASCAR had some entitled fans...this really puts things in perspective... 737. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Aren't there still NFL games going on? If you loooove football so much, watch the actual freaking game! 738. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "miss even a SINGLE second of precious football coverage" Let's not throw stones. NASCAR fans got ticked when we missed the first 28 laps of a race due to overtime in another sport...however this NFL issue is a pregame show. The game doesn't start until 8:20 p.m. 739. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon may have a flat. 740. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Truex is the first title contender to pit. 741. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) If Kyle Busch ran the full the season with his current stats: 6 wins, 15 top 5's, 21 top tens, 1050 laps led. Yeah it's a little dumb with him missing a third of the season but it's still a stronger title than Gordon or Truex. 742. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon is up to 9th don't count him out a good pit stop and he's border le top 5 743. jabber1990 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "These people cry if they miss even a SINGLE second of precious football coverage, don't they...? " ...because we have so much room to talk 744. typo posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) RCR Just posted this on the NFL Twitter page "Dear Football fans - Football has been canceled on NBC due to lack of hustle." So nice to see NASCAR beat NFL. NFL fans are so stupid betting 5000 dollars on a game 745. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) 718, NASCAR drivers have bad grammar. "This is cool, ain't it?" NASCAR driver quote from a few years ago. I say ain't sometimes myself. Guess I have NASCAR grammar. 746. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle looked awfully fast exiting the pits. 747. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) I love Harvick and all, but I really want Kyle Busch to get it done. He's been real solid. His crew has been perfect tonight too. 748. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Can the Twitter using fans start thanking NBC for leaving the race on? Maybe start a #ThankYouNBC or #WeWillTryAndStomachWatchingJimmyFallon to show our gratitude? This is the big race. 749. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Five seconds between Kyle and Harvick on the track. Already wondering if that means we'll see a late caution to close things up... "...because we have so much room to talk" I can at least understand NASCAR races getting cut into by overtimes in other sporting events, I suppose if I were a bigger basketball or football fan I'd be PO'ed if I missed the end of the event. But again, this is a PRE-GAME show consisting of highlights of already played games. This just feels so self-entitled to cry over missing that. Maybe it's just me... 750. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have a crazy theory about the chase I think NASCAR thought up the chase in an attempt to become bigger than the NFL unfortunately for NASCAR the plan blew up in their face and they're still paying the price for their incompetence 751. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "If Kyle Busch ran the full the season with his current stats:" Even without doing this, he's still had his best year ever in Cup, and perhaps most importantly, has looked like he's finally grown up. He has driven outstandingly since he's come back. If it happens, I have zero problems. He'll have earned it. 752. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 40 to go. 753. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Man, watching Brad run off with this race is totally reopening the emotional wounds I suffered in Texas....lol. #whatcouldvebeen 754. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Thumbs down for my post lmao. At least I'm not blinded by saying Harvick doesn't "deserve the championship" because of his 'Dega fiasco. 755. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 751, I'd take Kyle over Harvick. 756. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Let's be honest, we all knew Kyle would eventually win a championship. He's too good not to. 757. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Go Busch!!!!!!!! 758. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I mean yeah, Kyle has had some strong numbers since he came back, but the fact that he missed so much of the season and was still given the opportunity to compete for the title as long as he surpassed 30th in points still will make it feel kind of hokey in my books... This is probably exactly what NASCAR was hoping for, however... 759. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (3) (5) Borrriiinnngggggggggggggggggggggg 760. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) 36 to go. PLEASE, I really want Harvick to win. Busch is so undeserving. 761. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He only entered 2/3s of the races. 762. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Granted, Kyle is a very talented driver, one definitely worthy of winning a championship at some point. I won't deny that. I just wish it could've been under different circumstances... 763. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 754, it was probably some Busch hater that gave that post a thumbs down. 764. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Let's be honest, we all knew Kyle would eventually win a championship. He's too good not to." Agreed. Rowdy's been cooking ever since he took over the #18 Toyota. 765. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson's gonna get by Kyle in the next lap or two 766. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I want Kyle to win the race......Larson that is. 767. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson's gonna win LOL 768. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 27 laps left. Don't get your hopes up everyone. 769. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) "He only entered 2/3s of the races." And in those races, he's been one of the three best drivers week in and week out (along with Logano and Harvick - seriously, other than those two, who can you fully say has had a better full season than Kyle, even despite him missing 11 races? - MAYBE Kenseth? - but even then I wouldn't put Kenseth's year all that much ahead of Kyle's, if at all). Think what you want, but since he's been back he's easily been one of the best (and ironically, most consistent) drivers every single week. 770. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR will never changed the chase system. They hate being wrong. We may all hate it, but the chase is not going anywhere soon. Sigh... 771. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson is too far back. 772. Eric B. posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Kyle Busch is going to win the championship. NASCAR wants the #18 to win it. Which is probably why they let him eligible for the chase this year 773. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson is on a tear in these final laps. Closing in on Busch for second. 774. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Get the f**k out of the way, Allmendinger lol 775. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I would just take anyone instead of Harvick to be honest. This race has been crap in my opinion. 776. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I mean yeah, Kyle has had some strong numbers since he came back, but the fact that he missed so much of the season and was still given the opportunity to compete for the title as long as he surpassed 30th in points still will make it feel kind of hokey in my books... This is probably exactly what NASCAR was hoping for, however..." Kyle came into the race 20th in points under the old system. Damn impressive under both formats. 777. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Really AJ? That was kind of a douche move. 778. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Busch Lol!!!!!!! 779. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) People complaining Kyle's in 20th. Where's Gordon and Truex in points? 780. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson in the wall. What's new. 781. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson hits the wall. It was bound to happen, to be honest. 782. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lapped cars not showing enough respect... 783. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) These slows car are a f**king joke. The fast cars are running the high line....please move your piece of shit to the bottom. Thanks. 784. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson is probably cursing these lapped cars taking his high groove away, LOL Under 20 to go. Can't be the only one predicting Jacques to appear with under 10 to go? 785. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That a boy Newman 786. joey2448 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wonder if NASCAR is keeping this race green in order to finish up as soon as possible since football is coming up on NBC.. 787. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was *just* thinking that, Joey. Seems to be the case... 788. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Where's Gordon and Truex in points?" Gordon is in 10th place and 3rd in points currently. Truex is a distant 14th and poised to finish fourth. Even though he won't win the championship, I would still be happy with one last top 10 in Jeff's final ride... 789. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 42 gets by the 18 790. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That may have actually sped up Larson. 791. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson alongside Kyle Busch...and he's clear for second. Larson may win this if they stay green! 792. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Keselowski is out front. Larson moves into second but does he have time to catch Brad K? Rowdy lets him go, he'll lose the battle but his focus is on winning the war. Go Brad Go! Win one for the Ford Boys! 793. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Both of my conspiracy thoughts might be true. 794. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It took Brad 2-3 laps to get by Biffle. May have slowed him down. 795. joey2448 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The gap is closing! Larson is running this track like it's Eldora! 796. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You guys all know I'm a big Brad fan, but I'm definitely pulling for Larson right now.....this finish may end up being a classic 797. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Biffle and the Bleacher Report #16 Ford get lapped. Bummer Roush was so off all year, here's hoping the #16 is better in 2016. 798. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HA HA 799. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ***Last lap, turn 4, Larson vs. Keselowski for the win; Harvick vs. Busch for the championship*** "Good evening, welcome to Football Night In America" 800. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris caution. Of course. 801. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You knew it! 802. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jacques! 803. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Never saw that coming. 804. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Alright, so that's a bullshit caution. 805. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I KNEW IT! 806. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) JACQUES!!! ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME!!! 807. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) OH NO DEBRIS!!! Really.... 808. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Its King Air vs Jacques Debris for the 2015 Sprint Cup 809. John Royal posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh humanity! 810. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What the hell Brian France??? 811. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) There had BETTER be a f**king wheel on the track.... 812. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) THE OLE WATER BOTTLE!!! 813. Stewart14rocks #truexnation posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Holy shit caution for a water bottle 814. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for a water bottle in the grass on the front stretch. Well who didn't see that coming? 815. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone(Harvick?) threw their water bottle out. 816. Karn Evil 9 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why am I not surprised? 817. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) YES!!! Thank you to NASCAR!!! Let's give Kevin another chance!!! 818. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution. Knew it. 819. John Royal posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is a joke, I didn't want to see this :( 820. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Never been happier to see a debris caution. 821. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why am I not suprised 822. Stewart14rocks #truexnation posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tbh hopefully Busch wins it so NASCAR plan backfires 823. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If NASCAR gave 2 craps, they'd make teams implement a drink system that open wheel teams use to keep this nonsense from happening. 824. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Really NASCAR? They just couldn't let this play out naturally. WE NEED GAME 7 BOTTOM OF THE 9TH BASES LOADED! 825. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Are you F**king kidding me. 826. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Such lol 827. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That bottle is not on the racing surface but I'm hearing it may have been moved now. The flag man apparently made the judgement call it required the yellow. 828. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope Harvick has a loose wheel. 829. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NASCAR saved Jacques for ten to go. I knew the race was going to end this way, how sad... 830. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (8) (2) That's the most despicable bullshit caution I have ever, EVER seen. Disgusting. #blatantmanipulation 831. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is a big load of B.S 832. Leo posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) How ridiculous. I was just thinking to myself how glad I am that for the most part, this race had been devoid of nonsense and games and was turning into a genuinely tense and exciting finish.....but you just don't get it, do you NASCAR? 833. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) there's that asterisk this race was lacking 834. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone pits but Rowdy's still in front as he drives off. 835. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A string of confetti is actually the caution. 836. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The f*** was that. 837. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The caution is legitimate for a piece of metal near the racing surface but the TV camera focused on the water bottle by mistake. 838. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) So the debris was actually on the track, but it blew off after they threw the yellow... Still gonna question that one... 839. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who would have thunk it??? C'mon Nascar, even I want Harvick to win, but that was just terrible. 840. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) At least we could have a champion who isn't underwhelming... 841. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I seriously can't believe it. 842. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Didn't Harvick once get a bunch of other drivers mad at him for throwing a water bottle on the track in an Xfinity race at Atlanta? 843. Jocke posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A caution for a water bottle that ISN'T EVEN ON THE RACE TRACK! Ridiculous and a farce. Go Kyle Busch. Get it anyway. Now they say a piece of metal. Bull. 844. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) A F**king water bottle really really a Damn water bottle. 845. Mile501 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I've been following the lap by lap on nascar.com. I walked away for a few minutes with about 20 laps to go and I thought in my head, "I know they'll be under caution for debris when I get back to my computer." Sure enough, I was right. Sad. 846. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "The caution is legitimate for a piece of metal near the racing surface but the TV camera focused on the water bottle by mistake." This bears repeating. 847. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is what you get when you put the village idiot in charge of a major operation 848. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Calling it: Brad snookers Kyle into jumping the restart 849. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick's turning Ky in 3..2..1 850. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green back out with 7 laps to go in the season! 851. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Love the NIKKO/Road Rippers paint job Alex Bowman has run this season on the #7 Chevy. Wanted to get that out before the season ends. 852. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't understand why so many commenters are mad about a legitimate debris caution? Did you really want Kyle Busch to win 2/3 of a championship THAT badly? 853. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 797, if you're a religious person, I'd tell you to pray to whoever you believe in that Roush will figure out what's wrong over the off-season. They have so many handling issues. 854. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) just as it was getting exciting, nascar gives some artificial excitement 855. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did Keselowski just pull over for Harvick or is Kevin just that fast. Busch vs. Harvick, six laps, winner takes all! Rowdy is pulling away. 856. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's all over. Only chance Harvick had was to beside of Kyle on the restart. 857. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @852, I wanted the race to end naturally cuz Larson had a legitimate shot at his 1st Cup win 858. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Ah, so NASCAR wanted to make sure the championship winner also wins the race... 859. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The caution was BS, but it didn't really change the championship. 860. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Toyota has it. 861. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Kyle Busch is your 2015 NASCAR Sprint Cup Champion! 862. Smiff_2 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'm more disappointed that an epic duel to the finish was ruined. I couldn't care less about the title fight right now. 863. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) White on the year and Gordon's career 864. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let Kyle Busch does what he do best. Pick a tense, Letarte 865. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) That's it! Way to go Rowby! And happy trails to you Mr. Jeff Gordon! 866. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Busch is no longer a choker after this race. 867. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (9) (4) Hooray, We get the most undeserving champion in many, many years. 868. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) WHAT THE HELL BRIAN FRANCE?????????????????????????????? 869. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't say I'm not surprised. 870. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Rowdy does it! Harvicks season of 2nd's finishes fittingly. 871. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Kyle wins it. He did more in 25 races than most everyone else did in 36 races. I have no problems. Also, lol at my "Kyle Busch will never win a Cup title" rant on the 2014 Fall Bristol page. 872. jabber1990 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) First NASCAR Sprint Cup Title for Toyota 873. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congrats to Kyle and his team. They earned it. Nice to see him beat out the 4 car. 874. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Rowdy does it, he's pulled off the most incredible Chase-assisted comeback in NASCAR history. Jeff Gordon rides off into the night with a sixth-place finish. 875. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch is your 2015 Cup Series champion. 876. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (6) Congratulations NASCAR for allowing the biggest asshole and douche bag to win the championship!!! 877. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Thank you NASCAR successfully debrised Brad out of 3 wins this year. Thank God it's the f**king off-season, NASCAR is one big joke. Worst season I have ever seen. 878. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Just happy it won't be Harvick. That cheetah picked a cheetah to win it all and I'm Kevin "Cheetah" Harvick is a loser. 879. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Spencer Gallagher on Twitter: "If he wins, Kyle Busch is one of the best products of this Chase system since its inception #truths". lol Spencer. Really? 880. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow I can't believe this day finally came my favorite driver Wins a championship in a very disgusting fashion Im happy for him but I did not want him to win it this way Congratulations Kyle. 881. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Give me back my show!" - Kaiser Goodell 882. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank You NBC for staying with the race to the finish! Post-race on NBCSN. 883. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle had the best car tonight. He deserved it. Gordon and Truex were 9-15 all race and Harvick never got close. 884. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch's first ever win while Chase eligible! 885. Dannyboy posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) The end of an era NASCAR is dead.... 886. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Let this be a lesson to all the drivers: feel free to grab a win or two and then take some time off before the Chase begins. You only really need to be a championship driver for three of the last ten to win the Chase trophy. 887. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (6) (1) You shouldn't win the championship by running 2/3s of the season. 888. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Give me back my show!" Sunday TV Funhouse! TV Funhouse! TV Funhouse! LOST CARTOON FLASHBACK: (cues up the Darrell Waltrip and Grease Monkey Mountain Dew ads) 889. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't even know where to begin with this season. Good thing there's YouTube, so I go back and find racing that actually leaves me satisfied. 890. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle wins the championship. That was the punchline of the season. And here he is. Oh I'm gonna have a good evening looking at the comments. 891. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The long nightmare known as the 2015 NASCAR season is finally over 892. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Jeff thanked Bill Davis before Rick Hendrick after the race, he never forgot his roots. 893. Peter posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (7) (2) Congrats Brian, you just killed the last shred of dignity NASCAR had. Having a champion who missed over a third of the season is straight pathetic. This is b*******, I'm done 894. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Don't blame Kyle, he just ran his race. Blame the chase and Brian France for this. 895. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) f**k this series, we have to have a deBriS caution every single race it seems like. I just want a damn 36 race champion, this format is complete shit. 896. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) *I'm glad because. Too giddy over Harvick's loss to type right. 897. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Every driver now asking if they can take the first 1/3 of the season off 898. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Anyone saying this is a weak title needs to read post 741. 899. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) So we don't get ANY post race coverage before they switch right over to football. 900. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle overheated the motor doing donuts, sounds about right. 901. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) This is why no one takes NASCAR seriously anymore 902. SpeedWorld97 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) As disgraceful as that championship result was, solid end to Jeff Gordon's career with a 6th place finish! That's what I'll remember most about today's race. 903. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle still kicked ass this season, no doubt about that. If he can do more during 2/3rds of the season than everyone else can do in 36 races, then that's damn impressive. 904. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well, as I said earlier, Kyle is one of the most talented drivers out there, and certainly deserving of a title at some point in his career. Congratulations to him, although again, I REALLY wish it had come under different circumstances. Somehow I had this feeling that when he started racking up those wins in the summer that this was gonna happen! I don't anticipate NASCAR making any tweaks to the Chase next year since this is probably what they were hoping for when they gave him an exemption. I still say they should've made it 20th or better with a win to advance to the Chase, though...sorry, but 30th is just TOO damned lenient in my books with the larger amount of mediocre equipment out there these days. Whatever the case, congratulations Kyle. Had a feeling this was gonna happen at some point, makes me wonder if this is going to be the start of a string of titles... 905. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @899 It's on NBCSN. 906. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson rebounds from a horrendous start to the Chase to earn a top ten points finish. 907. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR.com already had a commercial for his. Tinfoil hat club. 908. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) The #18 team should get the owners championship and did it with more than one driver! When's the last time that happened? Good grief David Ragan, Matt Crafton, and Erik Jones just helped directly contribute to a NASCAR Cup team championship. 909. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) One other thing: With him winning this race, Kyle won 5 out of the 25 races he competed in. 1/5. Best win percentage out of everyone this year. 910. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Salute to Jeff Gordon. One of the best ever and goes out 3rd in the championship in the best retirement season ever. (Please take Jimmie with you). 911. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Makes you wonder what they do with the flag that says Martin Truex Jr 2015 champion. 912. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Not this way Kyle not this way smh I'm happy and upset at the same idk how much longer I'm going to be a NASCAR fan. That was absolutely disgusting Brian France just flat out leaves a bad taste in my mouth all this artificial crap is disgusting 913. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR made a special version of the end of race "We hope you have enjoyed this broadcast" clip exclusively featuring images of Jeff Gordon's career for this race. Classy touch. 914. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @907 They have those pre made for every driver. 915. NASCAR8824 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Can't say I'm not surprised." Yep. Why doesn't Brian France work somewhere else? Larson would've won the race, but Gordon should've won the championship. 916. typo posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I hate this. I hate it all! Such an undeserving Championship. Can't say I'm surprised, after all this isn't the same series as in the '90s. The chase is just so gut-wrenchingly stupid. Harvick deserved the championship. Well at-least Gordon gets 6th. 3rd in points isn't a bad way to leave as a legend. All I gotta say is this a Joke. The chase and league in general. Well this is my last time posting in-till February. See you then.... 917. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just hope to god the 2016 season has better racing. Also lol people threatening to never watch again, yet will still watch Daytona k den 918. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Alright, Rowdy finally has his crown. Frosty you're next, go finish'em off in Sydney! 919. Aaron W. posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (4) (7) Kevin Harvick is the true Champion. 920. BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (10) To all the people who doubted him, who doubted his resolve, his ability, his "clutchness", his chances to ever win a championship..... YOU WERE WRONG. Just admit it, you were wrong. Kyle Busch is a champion. And he'll always be a champion. And he's going to the Hall of Fame, guaranteed. You may as well accept how wrong and ignorant you were now, because if you continue this ridiculous notion that Kyle Busch is undeserving of his place in NASCAR history, you will continue to be exposed as a fool. People like DaleSrFanForever, who thought they knew everything and took every opportunity to doubt Busch, suck on it. That smug idiot, 88&4Fan, who I tried to convince he was wrong about Busch earlier this year, suck on it. Kyle Busch is a champion. 921. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "NASCAR.com already had a commercial for this." They do it all four ways to be ready. 922. typo posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One more post actually, check out WhatIfRacing's youtube channel for a video about all of Jeff Gordon's Victory's. 923. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (4) (5) "To all the people who doubted him, who doubted his resolve, his ability, his "clutchness", his chances to ever win a championship..... YOU WERE WRONG. Just admit it, you were wrong. Kyle Busch is a champion. And he'll always be a champion. And he's going to the Hall of Fame, guaranteed. You may as well accept how wrong and ignorant you were now, because if you continue this ridiculous notion that Kyle Busch is undeserving of his place in NASCAR history, you will continue to be exposed as a fool. People like DaleSrFanForever, who thought they knew everything and took every opportunity to doubt Busch, suck on it. That smug idiot, 88&4Fan, who I tried to convince he was wrong about Busch earlier this year, suck on it. Kyle Busch is a champion. " The world has found a bigger human piece of shit than Busch himself! 924. Sean posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (10) (0) He had a higher winning percentage than anyone, more consistency than he has ever shown before, and deserves a title for what he has done in his career. REGARDLESS of who won, it was going to be a farce, so I'm not bothered by this and he was certainly faster than Gordon and Truex were all season. Using NASCAR's argument (which I do find stupid) it would be like if a quarterback sat out the first third of the season and led a team to a Super Bowl victory. Don't blame him for NASCAR trying to stupidly rip off the NFL. And don't call him a choker anymore. Maybe the backlash from this is the sort of thing that will cause NASCAR to drop the chase (okay, not likely), just like everybody was hoping with the prospect of 0 or 1 win chase winners. If everybody is rooting for THAT, how is this not okay when he really wasn't much slower than Harvick this year? Harvick not being penalized for intentionally causing a Big One at Talladega was worse than Kyle being given an exemption because he was injured. That doesn't mean I don't want the format to change, but don't blame drivers for taking advantage of stupid formats. DO blame NASCAR for throwing cautions that might have been avoidable (as I do think that might have been). Larson kind of got screwed, but he might not have won anyway. 925. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle Busch is no longer a choker. He flat out drove his way to the title. Congrats to him, at least the 2nd most deserving driver won. Harvick ironically finishes 2nd once again. He gave it his all but came up short. But once again, the debris caution and the chase is a joke. 926. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So long Jeff Gordon thanks for the memories you will be missed #24 927. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Harvick was pretty classy afterwards knowing good well he was better ALL year. 928. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) Overall, this is probably the worst season since I started watching in 2011. - Competition has been at a huge low. Only FIVE teams won races this year, the lowest EVER, only tied with 1974, and 12 drivers. Compare to 2013, which had ten teams and 18 drivers. - The chase is gimmicky as ever. - One controversy after another. Kyle Busch making the chase and eventually winning the championship despite missing 11 races, the Driscoll saga, Harvick getting away with wrecking 12 cars... - Jacques Debris being insanely prelevant. Combined, this makes this easily the worst. Let's hope 2016 can be better. 929. Alex posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Kyle Busch was definitely the best tonight, but you can't convince anyone that Keselowski wasn't told to lose on a different channel. 930. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Whatever the case, congratulations Kyle. Had a feeling this was gonna happen at some point, makes me wonder if this is going to be the start of a string of titles..." With Bri-Bri finally creating a true racing version of Russian Roulette, who knows if any driver/team can string off multiple Cups regardless of how dominant or consistent they run. Re-title this thing the Clusterf*** for the Cup. 931. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (6) (4) "Kevin Harvick is the true Champion." After what he did at Talladega, the only "true" thing he is, is a chump. It's a shame that drivers as classless as him and Kenseth EVER won championships. 932. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, I gave my thoughts on Gordon's last ride already (Look back at page 1), but I'm glad he was able to get a solid top 10 in his final start and finish 3rd in his farewell tour. Wish he could've won the title to go out on top (even if he didn't have the best season overall, he had one of his best overall Chase performances ever), but oh well. It was a privilege getting to see Jeff race while growing up, and even though his career is over, we'll always have the memories of his on-track greatness to live with. I surely won't forget the only time I ever saw him win at Darlington back in '07. Best of luck to you in your retirement, Jeff. Things won't be quite the same next year seeing Chase Elliott in the #24... 933. C posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Way to go kyle way to go! 934. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As a fan of Kyle he has to win the title next year to validate this one. 935. Aaron W. posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Greg Biffle is a chump. 936. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Is Adam Stevens the first rookie champion crew chief? 937. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The most cheers I've ever heard Kyle get. 938. BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) "The world has found a bigger human piece of s*** than Kyle 'The Champ' Busch himself!" Fixed that for you. 939. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Is Adam Stevens the first rookie champion crew chief?" Nope. Jeff Hammond won it in his first year with Darrell Waltrip in 1982. 940. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) #920 You know, there IS such a thing as being a sore winner... 941. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alex said this was his last race actively following NASCAR before stepping away a bit when Gordon retired. I'd like to say thank you for all you have done for this site and I hope you stick around in some capacity in the years to come. Here's hoping your passion for road racing and lower level racing remains strong. 942. Aaron W. posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is it fair Kyle started 11 less races and somehow is the champion? 943. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Overall, this is probably the worst season since I started watching in 2011. - Competition has been at a huge low. Only FIVE teams won races this year, the lowest EVER, only tied with 1974, and 12 drivers. Compare to 2013, which had ten teams and 18 drivers. - The chase is gimmicky as ever. - One controversy after another. Kyle Busch making the chase and eventually winning the championship despite missing 11 races, the Driscoll saga, Harvick getting away with wrecking 12 cars... - Jacques Debris being insanely prelevant. Combined, this makes this easily the worst. Let's hope 2016 can be better. Yet, you just said you will be back next year. 944. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) The Chase was probably NASCAR's plan to become bigger than the NFL a plan that was ill conceived, disastrous and would ultimately bite NASCAR in the rear end as NASCAR is still paying the price for their arrogance & failure 945. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The chase is a joke. But if Kyle ran the full season he would have deserved it. 946. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There is no question that was NASCAR' plan. I think Helton or France or some top leader said it. 947. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) A guy wins the championship missing 11 races and why on earth does the championship come down to who finishes higher at Homestead is beyond comprehension. Toyota got it's first title so maybe they'll shut up now. 948. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I think Kyle deserves this championship. Come at me. 949. Zackary Shawn posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not a terrible season. Not as good as last year or 2011, but way better than 2013. 950. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That kid in front of France is the heir to Brian. 951. Lucstar88 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) NASCAR was allowed to create this monster because they have ZERO competition, CART/IRL split and all the ratings went to NASCAR. NASCAR had to much time on their hands and went after the NFL (which is stupid) IF Indycar could really get hot in the next coming years and actually have better ratings and racing than NASCAR, I'm sure that NASCAR would change their temperance. 952. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters" is a troll and a bandwagon fan. The guy hasn't been seen on here since he went on his streak during the summer and used to go by the name "StopWatchingNASCARItsNot1998Anymore". Reminds me of all those people on the facebook page who brag every time Kyle wins a truck race. 953. TS1420 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Poor Brian France got confetti in his hair and looks like he is in pain. 954. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That kid in front of France is the heir to Brian. "That's not Ben Kennedy :)" 955. Chives5150 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Tony Stewart finishes the 2015 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series season with no top-5 finishes. 956. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Yeah I think this is the blow that will turn away a lot of fans. NASCAR put itself on par with golf tonight. That isn't a bad thing, but really how big is the Championship when you can miss a 1/3 of the season and still win. I know the comparison the people trying to defend this will make. something like whats the difference between Kyle winning the title and a NFL team winning the Super Bowl after their star QB missed a 1/3 of the season. To that I say that is why there is an OWNERS CHAMPIONSHIP in NASCAR. Kyle winning that for the 18 team would be the equivalent of the star QB coming back and leading them to the Super Bowl. What Kyle did would be like if a NFL just didn't play the first 5 games of the year, then they came back and only won 6 of their remaining games giving them a 6-10 record and the NFL inviting them to the playoffs even though they were the 25th best team in the league. I want to be mad at Kyle... but I can't. It's not his fault the system is the way it is. He played by the rules and he won. I'm just more sad that what has been my favorite sport since I was a kid had been run into the ground by a bunch of people who are out to make a quick buck rather than putting out the best product they can. 957. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (9) (2) Call me crazy if you'd like, but to start off at an 11 race disadvantage due to a badly broken leg, win 4 races in a 5 week span to boost himself into the top 30 in points (and therefore be eligible for a Chase spot), drive consistently enough in the Chase to make it to the final round, and then win the final race of the year to be crowned champion is nothing short of an incredible feat. Kyle deserves this championship. Plain and simple. 958. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kyle also finished top 20 in 21 of his 25 races. So he also had the best top 20 percentage in addition to him having the best win percentage. 959. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Trying to get pregnant with this one." Interesting choice of words. 960. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Going back to what I said after the Richmond race, you have lost all credibility NASCAR. 961. New 14 & 88 Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Yes this chase system is a joke, but you gotta admit that Kyle really deserved the championship with his amazing summer run and staying in contention through the three chase rounds. Congrats to Kyle and the whole 18 M&M's team. And hat's off to Jeff Gordon on a fantastic and legendary career. 962. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll still watch NASCAR next year. This season might have not been the best, but it's not bad enough to make me quit. 963. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hey, at least a poor kid in Africa get's a Jeff Gordon championship hat and shirt. 964. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait, nevermind, Harvick had 31 top 20s out of 36. Slightly higher percentage than Kyle's. 965. joey2448 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also cool to see Kurt join the celebration. The Busch's are the second pair of brothers to both win Cup titles, after the Labonte's (Terry in 1984 and '96 and Bobby in 2000). Also, Joe Gibbs' first Cup title in 10 years (Tony Stewart in 2005) I still don't like the idea of a driver missing a third of the season and winning the title, but I'm actually happy for Kyle. He returned and kicked ass and now he's a champion. I think the injury, plus the birth of his first child, humbled him, and that's cool. Good job! And as for Jeff Gordon, well, I just feel so blessed to have been a fan of his and watched him all these years, and as one of the classiest drivers to race (looking away from Phoenix 2012, lol), one of the true ambassadors of the sport and one of those who revolutionized the sport, he will certainly be a first-ballot hall of famer. 966. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) But with that said, I agree with The Long Shot, Kyle deserved it with his season and his race tonight where he just flat out drove to the win. And if the roles were swapped and Truex missed part of the season and won the title, would you be complaining? Don't kid yourselves, you wouldn't be. 967. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) There is nothing wrong with being excited about a driver you support winning the title. Nothing wrong with that at all. But that does NOT mean you have to be a total asshat about it and jam it down the throats of everyone who doubted him in the past. I have no desire to get in a fight with "BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters", but there's a right way and a wrong way to act in these situations, and in my book, that is DEFINITELY the wrong way. Yes, I will openly admit I have doubted Kyle's ability in clutch situations based on his past history, but I wouldn't be so foolish as to say he never DESERVED to win a title. He is one of the most talented drivers to recently set foot in a Cup car, I would never deny that. I will probably never be a true fan of his due to his on-track antics throughout his career and his constant desire to dip into the lower series and make mincemeat out of fields with lower budgets, but I do respect his sheer driving talent. I can live with a Kyle title, even though I wish it come under different circumstances (running a full season for one). I must say, I AM actually impressed he was able to come back from a serious injury and actually be competitive. I sincerely hope we don't have to see more of this guy around during the offseason and years to come, because if we have to deal with someone THIS damned smug...oh boy. 968. Firsts and Lasts of 2015 in NASCAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) First Sprint Cup Championship for Kyle Busch First Sprint Cup Championship for a Toyota First Sprint Cup Championship for a foreign make (although the Camry is built in America and the SS is not) First Sprint Cup Championship for a driver who did not run all of the races since Richard Petty in 1971 First Championship for JGR since 2005 Last Sprint Cup Race for Jeff Gordon Last Sprint Cup Race for Michael Waltrip Racing Maybe the first time the Champ has not run the Daytona 500 (since the 500 started) Also, who the hell was rookie of the year? 969. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Whoa, they interviewed Truex 970. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Call me crazy if you'd like, but to start off at an 11 race disadvantage due to a badly broken leg, win 4 races in a 5 week span to boost himself into the top 30 in points (and therefore be eligible for a Chase spot), drive consistently enough in the Chase to make it to the final round, and then win the final race of the year to be crowned champion is nothing short of an incredible feat. Kyle deserves this championship. Plain and simple." I agree. Kyle Busch and the #18 team played the system to perfection. They aren't undeserving by any measure. But man, what could have been for Jeff Gordon... I'm really going to miss him on the track next year. 971. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Samantha must have been really hard up to marry solar goggles/Smeogal 972. Driver X posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) This season was an absolute farce. Thank God it's over. As far as Kyle, I have to say that he just took advantage of a very flawed and ridiculous Chase format, happening to be in the right place at the right time. There was NO need for that last caution. I'm pretty sure that Larson might have caught and passed Keselowski, but alas, it was not meant to be. The only good thing I can say is that at least NBC aired the finish and didn't move it to NBCSN. 973. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I don't want to hear the term "closer" when talking about Kevin Harvick anymore. If the "closer" is beaten by the biggest choke artist in Nascar's last decade for the title, when said choke artist has first shot at the title. Harvick finished 2nd a Modern record 12 times this season with only 3 wins. A big congrats to Rowdy on winning the championship with 5 wins and a solid race at Homestead. Jeff Gordon finishes out his career with 7 consecutive Top 10 finishes and a solid Top 3 points finish, his 9th career Top 3 points finish, and 11th Top 4 points finish. Martin Truex Jr. deserves a lot of credit for getting a single car team into Championship Weekend, and having a somewhat competitive race, Top 12 finish. 974. dennyfan11 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Another fact, which shows why I hate this chase. Without the chase, Kyle would have only finished around 19th or so. 975. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Also, who the hell was rookie of the year?" Moffitt, I think. 976. Benjamin LordLowe posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I feel it's time for me to take a long sabbatical from the world of auto racing & Racing reference info as the direction the sport (mainly NASCAR) has left me frustrated, disappointed and burnt out as my passion for racing is all but extinguished. But I want you to know that I will never forget this website or this comment board through the good times and bad the saints & trolls the logic & insanity it has been a hell of a ride full of great & outrageous characters and rest assured I will return to this place someday but for right now it's time for me to walk away from the sport and this website and so ladies and gentlemen of the Racing Reference Community Benjamin LordLowe has left the building. 977. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Call me crazy if you'd like, but to start off at an 11 race disadvantage due to a badly broken leg, win 4 races in a 5 week span to boost himself into the top 30 in points (and therefore be eligible for a Chase spot), drive consistently enough in the Chase to make it to the final round, and then win the final race of the year to be crowned champion is nothing short of an incredible feat. Kyle deserves this championship. Plain and simple." I don't think so. Well at least the making it into the top 30 part. If anything it just shows how weak the bottom half of the sport really is. I mean what he did by coming back and winning races is impressive, but i just can't say someone who missed 11 races is deserving of the championship. Sadly IMO Kyle this year is the least deserving Champion since Bill Rexford in 1950. That's just how I see it. 978. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Yay! Kyle Busch won a championship in his 30's! Just as I predicted 5 years ago! :) Anyhow, everyone should just get over their obsession of hate toward the Chase and Kyle and move on. Kyle's one of the most talented drivers in the garage. Love him or hate him, he's earned it. Just as Kevin did last year. See ya in 2016 and tears for Gordon on an amazing effort to hold on to finish 6th to close out his career! 979. Firsts and Lasts of 2015 in NASCAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Moffitt was rookie of the year i guess. This was easily the worst year of NASCAR since I started watching in 2011. I barely watched any races this season because of how awful it was. Good for Kyle to fight back after this year. 980. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 976, you will be back next year and complain like this again. 981. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, one last thing I want to happen this year. Jeff Gordon winning MPD award, that is if Jr Nation doesn't nick the votes this year. 982. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now having said that, I agree, this championship system is quite farcical. Like I said, I STILL think 30th is way too damned lenient to get in to the Chase. Really, unless you're in a situation like Kyle, unless you drive for one of the low budget teams, there's really no way you can finish below 30th unless you have THAT horrendous of a season...And like I said, an 11-race exemption...may have been a bit much. Will this stop me from watching the sport in years to come? Not at all; it would take much more than that for me to quit (if the championship format gets EVEN DUMBER, for instance, which I'm sadly sure it CAN). I just really, REALLY hope whoever eventually takes Brian France's place can put things back on track and bring an end to these silly attempts to try to be more like the NFL, MLB, and NBA...But I'm not getting my hopes up on that... 983. Jim Davis posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Sometime after the banquet Stewart should announce that he won't be back for 2016 after all. I hope I'm wrong but 2016 could be a very long and painful year for him. I'm not a Kyle Busch fan but he totally deserved to be champion. 984. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lot of you have been complaining all year or multiple years. I think it's time to find something better on weekends. If that wasn't the case and just happened a couple of weeks ago, I'd blame it more on the length of the season and just tired of it being on for 38+ weeks. That's a very long tine. 985. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:32 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Applying Kyle's stats to a 36 race season: --7 wins (1st) --17 top 5's (3rd) --22 top 10's (t-2nd) --8.4 avg. start (2nd) --9.3 avg. finish (2nd) You can say Kyle shouldn't have been able to win the championship because he missed so much time, but you can't say he wasn't deserving when he was arguably the second or third best driver all year (only Logano and Harvick were better, I'd say). 986. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) While I've obviously stated that I hate the chase, I think the right man won. But since it's Kyle Busch, the comments board erupts in flames. 987. David posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I feel it's time for me to take a long sabbatical from the world of auto racing & Racing reference info as the direction the sport (mainly NASCAR) has left me frustrated, disappointed and burnt out as my passion for racing is all but extinguished. But I want you to know that I will never forget this website or this comment board through the good times and bad the saints & trolls the logic & insanity it has been a hell of a ride full of great & outrageous characters and rest assured I will return to this place someday but for right now it's time for me to walk away from the sport and this website and so ladies and gentlemen of the Racing Reference Community Benjamin LordLowe has left the building." Adieu, Lowe. Thanks for the good times. 988. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @985 I made a similar post at 741. 989. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I was so happy after Logano got dumped and eliminated I didn't care who won after that. Then Kyle wins it all? Best chase ever. 990. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch: Professional Stock Car Racer Wins 2015 NASCAR Sprint Cup Championship on Sunday Facebook's little thing about it in trending topics. Why "Professional Stock Car Racer" was needed is beyond me 991. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Also, congratulations to Brett Moffitt winning RotY. I personally would've given it to DiBenedetto considering he SIGNIFICANTLY outperformed that atrocious BK Racing equipment numerous times this year, but Moffitt didn't too badly considering his near total lack of experience in the higher ranks of NASCAR. Much better than KEVIN CONWAY, at least...I wish he could've been given a shot in Xfinity or Trucks rather than getting thrown straight into the fire in Cup, but I guess that's how things are now...you have to take whatever opportunities you can get or else your butt will be sitting at home instead of being out there gaining experience. 992. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch = Lebron James 993. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Harvick definetly fell to the 2nd place curse this season. 994. The Long Shot posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Kyle Busch = Lebron James" Lebron James: 2x NBA champion, 4x NBA MVP, widely considered one of the best basketball players of all-time and the best of his era Kyle Busch: 1x Sprint Cup champion, *maybe* a top 20 NASCAR driver of all-time and probably a top 5 driver of his era I don't see the comparison. 995. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 992, that may sound crazy, but you are actually right. Dominating the regular season with wins, but very few post-season wins. A ton of hate and love for both of them 996. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You can't just assume he would win more races in the first 11, he won 4 races in a 5 race stretch and didn't do much toward being a serious contender for victory until tonight, he just played the system the best anyone possibly could. I still don't see what's wrong with a champion who did the best over a 36 race span. 997. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't want to hear the term "closer" when talking about Kevin Harvick anymore. If the "closer" is beaten by the biggest choke artist in Nascar's last decade for the title, when said choke artist has first shot at the title." It's a shame that the championship is gauged on one race and at Homestead of all places (it's not really a tough track on drivers). Had it been the Winston Cup Standings it would more than likely be Harvick's 3rd title. "Harvick finished 2nd a Modern record 12 times this season with only 3 wins." Actually 13 2nd's and 3 wins. When is the last time someone had 16 top 2's? And didn't win the title? Shame, Nascar, shame. With this system more people have a chance and it doesn't reward for a full season anymore. Even the first part of the chase in some ways rewarded you for the full season, but not this one. 998. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey Michael Mcdowell commercial again. 999. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "While I've obviously stated that I hate the chase, I think the right man won. But since it's Kyle Busch, the comments board erupts in flames." I mean if he missed a race like Denny did last year, if he missed three races like his brother did this year ok, but 11 that's just too much. I'm not saying you're wrong Big Mac Fan, but just can't agree that the right man won when I feel he shouldn't have been there to begin with. 1000. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson = LeBron James is a much better comparison. 1001. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) I am probably gonna be away for most of the offseason...Not being the biggest football fan, that doesn't really give me a whole lot to discuss until things start up next February. You may see posting on some of the older races, but not much until Speedweeks, I guess. While this wasn't the BEST season in NASCAR history, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it the worst... Nonetheless, I've had a blast chatting and discussing things with the rest of you this year, and I'm encouraged that things on this site may be better in the future considering the quality of posts has started to go up again. See you all around in February! (When I will be posting under a new name...) 1002. Cornys posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good run by Kyle Busch. Now maybe we will see him in an IndyCar. He said earlier this week that if he won the Cup he might run in the Indy 500 this year :) I'd love to see everybody take the chance and try other racing series. Now if we could only see Hamilton try the Bristol night race.. That would be the best :P 1003. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson = LeBron James is a much better comparison. Nah I think he got it right with Kyle. LeBron won his first title in a strike shorten season. Kyle is the closer comparison do to him missing all the races he did. 1004. Corey Adkison posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (9) (0) Worst points system in auto racing. 1005. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In case anyone hasn't noticed, this is Kyle Busch's very first win as a Chaser. Sure, he won Phoenix in 2005, but wasn't in the Chase. 1006. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ryan W, Harvick would only have 2 Winston Cup Titles, 2010 and 2015. He wouldn't have won the 2014 title. 1007. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's a shame that the championship is gauged on one race and at Homestead of all places (it's not really a tough track on drivers). Had it been the Winston Cup Standings it would more than likely be Harvick's 3rd title." 2nd* 1008. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) · This is JGR's eighth owner championship. Its titles are as follows: 2015 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship 2012 NASCAR XFNITY Series championship 2010 NASCAR XFNITY Series championship 2009 NASCAR XFNITY Series championship 2008 NASCAR XFNITY Series championship 2005 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship 2002 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship 2000 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship · This is Joe Gibbs' 15th championship. In addition to the titles listed above, he won three Super Bowls (1982, 1987 and 1991) and four NFC Conference Championships (1982, 1983, 1987 and 1991) as head coach of the NFL's Washington Redskins. 1009. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) It really wouldn't have mattered if Harvick had 15 wins... and finished 2nd tonight, he would still finish 2nd in the standings. That's how messed up the Chase is 1010. AaronsDreamMachine posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Do you think David Ragan could have done that if he had stayed in the 18 the entire season? 1011. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Actually 13 2nd's and 3 wins. When is the last time someone had 16 top 2's? And didn't win the title? Shame, Nascar, shame." The only driver with 16 or more Top 2 finishes in the past 30 years is Gordon's 19 in 1998, except he had 13 wins. 1012. DB1995 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) I feel like the champion should be over 36 races. If someone misses a races and still scores more points than everyone else then I have no problem with him winning. We just need to completely get rid of the Chase altogether, I'm not a Harvick fan by any means but he should have been the champ this year with Logano a close 2nd. 1013. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @1010 No way. BRETT MOFFITT with no Trucks and Xfinity experience had more top ten's in the 55 than Ragan in ONE THIRD of the starts. If that is no the definition of "failure," then I don't know what is. 1014. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Do you think David Ragan could have done that if he had stayed in the 18 the entire season?" No and I don't think anyone does... 1015. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) Could you imagine if someone like Trevor Bayne or Justin Allgaier won a race on fuel mileage within the first 26 races, finished 26th-30th in points, did just enough in the first three Chase races to be in the top 12 as other chasers crashed or had engine problems, finished 15th-20th in the next three races but several chasers got caught up in the big one at Talladega so he made it into the top 8 by points, and then won at Texas on fuel mileage to make it into the final four? It sounds like a ridiculous scenario, but what's really ridiculous is that a scenario in which a driver makes it to the final four by winning just two races on fuel mileage and doing little else is so possible. 1016. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "BRETT MOFFITT with no Trucks and Xfinity experience had more top ten's in the 55 than Ragan in ONE THIRD of the starts." Really hope Ragan doesn't end up in the #9. 1017. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Do you think David Ragan could have done that if he had stayed in the 18 the entire season?" Of course, if Kyle Busch and David Ragan did a body swap. 1018. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Harvick would only have 2 Winston Cup Titles, 2010 and 2015. He wouldn't have won the 2014 title." I'm gonna be honest idk if he wins this year under the old points. Things would have played out a lot differently. for example I don't think the whole Joey Kenseth thing happens if there is no Chase. Matt only did what he did because he thought Joey robbed him of a chance to win the title. Under the old system Kenseth pretty much would have already had no shot to win the title by the time we got to Kansas and Martinsville. I don't think he would have dumped him at Martinsville since he probably wouldn't have viewed the incidents the same way, and him not doing that would put Joey a lot closer to Harvick coming into this race which would have caused them to race a lot differently. 1019. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Joe Gibbs has now won a Sprint Cup Championship in 3 different manufacture. Pontiac, Chevy and now Toyota. 1020. Jarrett88fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sadly I believe many fans that witnessed the 2015 Ford Ecoboost 400 in television land won't be back. In time this end of an era race will be seen as a turning point much as Atlanta '92/'00 and Daytona '01 are for different reasons. Great to see Kyle Busch finally, finally mature enough to overcome adversity and win the championship. I too will take a sabbatical from NASCAR and will return in the future. Thanks RacingReference community!!! 1021. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1016, I'd rather see someone like Regan Smith or perhaps a TEB driver, which would be Cole Whitt, Landon Cassill or Alex Bowman. Smith needs a ride and any of the others would be in a ride a step up from their current rides. However, it'll probably go to somebody from the Ride Buyer Brigade. 1022. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Ridiculously early 2016 predictions: Shootout winner: Kevin Harvick Daytona 500 winner: Dale Earnhardt, Jr. All Star Race winner: Jimmie Johnson Coke 600 winner: Denny Hamlin Bristol Night Race winner: Joey Logano Chase: Joey Logano (5 wins) Denny Hamlin (4 wins) Carl Edwards (3 wins) Jimmie Johnson (3 wins) Brad Keselowski (2 wins) Matt Kenseth (2 wins) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (2 wins) Kyle Busch (2 wins) Kurt Busch (1 win) Kyle Larson (1 win) AJ Allmendinger (1 win) Martin Truex, Jr. Ryan Newman Jamie McMurray Ryan Blaney Austin Dillon First round eliminations: Allmendinger, McMurray, Dillon, and Hamlin (there's gotta be a surprise in there) Second round eliminations: Blaney, Kurt Busch, Keselowski, and Truex Third round eliminations: Newman, Earnhardt, Jr., Kenseth, and Kyle Busch Final four: Logano, Edwards, Harvick, and Johnson Champion: Logano Other predictions: - Blaney makes the chase and Elliott doesn't, but Elliott narrowly edges Blaney for ROTY - Kasey Kahne finishes outside the top 20 in points - Erik Jones wins a race - Larson gets his first career win at Auto Club and has a breakout year, also winning at Homestead even though he's eliminated from the championship - Dale Jr. wins three of the four plate races - Harvick finishes in the top two at least ten times - Austin Dillon becomes a consistent top fifteen driver and has a Paul Menard 2015-esque season, doesn't win though - Roush sinks further into oblivion and none of its drivers finish in the top 20 in points - Tony Stewart has another miserable season finishing 28th in points with only one top ten (on a plate track) - Chase Elliott wins the Daytona 500 pole 1023. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Also, the brothers Busch are the 2nd pair of siblings to win Cup titles following the brothers Labonte. 1024. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jimmie Johnson = LeBron James is a much better comparison." For sure. If we're comparing Kyle's title to NBA feats, it reminds me way more of when Shaq finally matured enough to lead the Lakers to the title in 2000 anything Lebron has specifically done. 1025. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Really hope Ragan doesn't end up in the #9." RPM picking Ragan would be a damned near pants-on-head dumb move by them. ONE top ten driving for the same team that would go on to win a title with Kyle Busch, ZERO top tens with MWR, which, while considerably declining and on the verge of folding, was NOT the worst team out there by any means (hell, Bowyer made the Chase for them! Didn't make it past round 1 and crashed out of 3 of the last 6 races, but still). Granted, he DID have a few good runs spoiled by crashes, but still, that's pretty sad. I don't think Ragan's a bad guy, but it's become blatantly clear he's just not really much of a Cup caliber driver... 1026. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *than anything 1027. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Kyle Busch = Lebron James comparison comes from everyone saying Kyle is the biggest choke artist out there similar to what people say about Lebron when it comes to coming up short in the finals. Jeff Gordon = Tom Brady 1028. Aaron posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Greg Ives = a huge idiot for bringing Dale Jr. to pit road. Clint Bowyer = Michael Waltrip 2.0. 1029. BluesTravelerFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well that wraps it up. This season was definitely tough to take at times, but it wasn't without it's decent moments. Not a horrible, but certainly not one I will look back on as memorable. The quality of the racing for the most part just wasn't there, and of course that led to far too many circus events happening this year. I have cautious optimism that the former will improve with the new package, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about the latter. I will freely admit for a good majority of the season I barely watched more than a few laps of the races, for the above reasons and stuff going on for me, but with nothing else to do recently my passion for this place has been partially rekindled. I echo Schroeder's sentiments, it's been good talking racing with you guys, this is truly the top place when it comes to discussing NASCAR, and it's been good to see some old faces come back (hopefully to stay). As for Jeff Gordon, My hats off to one of the 10 greatest drivers in NASCAR history and somebody I may not have always liked but always respected. Dale Earnhardt had it right in 1992 when he said Jeff would be something special. It definitely gets me thinking of how much I dread when Dale Jr. retires and I will to look for someone else to root for... It will real empty not seeing him on the track next year. You will be missed Jeff. Thanks to the webmaster and all you guys, see ya in Daytona! 1030. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) "RPM picking Ragan would be a damned near pants-on-head dumb move by them." I've actually heard rumors over the last couple days that Brian Scott might get it (he's leaving RCR, apparently wants to run full time in Cup, and has his own sponsorship - really seems like a no brainer), so I'm actually kind of hoping that happens. I've never been totally gung-ho on Scott or anything (Idaho ties disregarded), but he has impressed me in some of his runs in the #33 this year, so I'm not opposed at all to him getting a full time Cup shot at this point. I don't think he'd be nearly as bad as Hornish has been or Ragan would be. But yes. It's time for Ragan to go back down to NXS or Trucks. No more Cup opportunities. 1031. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1029, I was small when Gordon started, so it seems weird to think he won't be on the track next year. However, I hope Chase will be a worthy successor. 1032. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) My huge prediction about next year: - I think Roush Racing wins 2 races with each driver in the 20. - Hendrick and Gibbs dominate the year with teams combine to win about 15 races. - Elliott beats outs Blaney for Rookie of the Year. - Stewart ends on another hard note with another sub-20 points finish. 1033. Guest posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (7) (4) This season was beyond a joke, they let Kyle in the Chase after missing 11 races. Sure he wan well in 25 races, a lot of drivers have. Last time I checked the season was 36 races. I honestly think the driver has ZERO to do with winning races anymore in NASCAR. Homestead was Kyle's WORST track on the ENTIRE NASCAR circuit, yet somehow he is practically unbeatable there when he needed to be. Junior finishes the season with 16 top five finishes and finishes 12th in points, possibly the biggest farce I EVER seen. NASCAR, GET RID OF THE STUPID f**kING CHASE! 1034. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Kyle Busch = Lebron James comparison comes from everyone saying Kyle is the biggest choke artist out there similar to what people say about Lebron when it comes to coming up short in the finals." Before today, I think I probably would have compared Kyle to Chris Paul on account of both of their previous inabilities to go deep in the playoffs. But now it's a little ridiculous to make that comparison with Kyle winning this championship. So I'll have to come up with a different one for him now. But I agree with Big Mac in that Jimmie/LeBron makes a ton more sense. 1035. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Kyle Busch = Lebron James comparison comes from everyone saying Kyle is the biggest choke artist out there similar to what people say about Lebron when it comes to coming up short in the finals. Jeff Gordon = Tom Brady" Well if were going by that I think a better comparison would for Kyle would be Peyton Manning. Both won their titles in years they probably shouldn't have won them. Manning was CARRIED to his Super Bowl win with the Colts by his defense. I think he threw something like 2 TD to 4 or 5 INT in his playoff run that year and of course Kyle missed a 3rd of the season this year. Outside of their title both have had a number of chokes and meltdowns that prevent them from winning titles they arguably should have Won. The only difference is Kyle can fully remove that choker label by backing up this title down the road. Manning on the other had well he's just done lol. 1036. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 1015- And then at Homestead, all of the other three drivers have some kind of problem and Trevor Bayne/Justin Allgaier is your champion. 1037. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't mind Scott getting a shot in the #9; he's had some good runs in the Xfinity Series over the past few years driving for Childress; no wins, but certainly could've won a few (I think back to Daytona earlier this year where he was the class of the field only to throw it all away in the final laps by making a poor attempt to block and wrecking himself and half the field in the process). To add to that I will also agree that I've been impressed by some of his runs in the #33 this year; there have been several races where he was solidly in the top 15 and a few where he actually spent some time in the top 10 (Fontana and the second Texas race). I'm actually thinking he could maybe do something if he goes to Cup. 1038. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "This season was beyond a joke, they let Kyle in the Chase after missing 11 races. Sure he wan well in 25 races, a lot of drivers have. Last time I checked the season was 36 races. I honestly think the driver has ZERO to do with winning races anymore in NASCAR. Homestead was Kyle's WORST track on the ENTIRE NASCAR circuit, yet somehow he is practically unbeatable there when he needed to be. Junior finishes the season with 16 top five finishes and finishes 12th in points, possibly the biggest farce I EVER seen. NASCAR, GET RID OF THE STUPID f**kING CHASE!" Same can be said about Johnson @ the Restrictor Plate races or the Brickyard back in the day, or Keselowski at Fontana this year... Things change. 1039. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Lost in all of this, I want to say Thank You, Jeff Gordon. Thank you for all that you have done for NASCAR. Although I haven't watched as long as some people have, the first race I vividly remember watching is the Spring 2009 Texas Race on my 9th birthday at my hometrack with you winning. After that, I instantly became a fan. There's no telling how much of an impact he has had. While non-Gordon fans would moan and groan about his dominating years, is it a coincidence that NASCAR rised in popularity when Gordon reached stardom? His rivalries with Earnhardt, Wallace, Johnson, Stewart among others were legendary. He has 93 wins, 4 titles, and is one of the most influential drivers in NASCAR not only today, but of all time. When Gordon hugged Hendrick after he got out of the car for the final time, my eyes began watering. And he's still going to be in broadcasting and possibly ownership and he will be involved with NASCAR for many years to come. So thank you Jeff Gordon for all that you've done for the sport, and I will be a Gordon fan forever. It's been a great ride. 1040. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jimmie Johnson = Kobe Bryant in his prime. 1041. PenskeGuy posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) What I was most looking forward to in this race was seeing Kyle Larson run that high line, to the point of rim-riding. Charlotte last year was another great example, as he gained many spots in that race by rim-riding. And since Homestead is a track you can get around REALLY well by running the high line, I had predicted him to win this race and it came close to happening. Next year, if I find myself watching any of the races, I think he'll be my #2 favorite (behind Ryan Blaney). A main requirement of mine for a champion in NASCAR is that they have to run all of the races. But Kyle Busch did step it up when it mattered most (for once in his career) so that makes me declare him a deserving champion. He and Harvick deserved it most statistically, although I was pulling hard for Truex. Jeff Gordon never had quite enough in the car to make a serious challenge, but he did finish 6th after running 10th-13th for most of the race. A nice close out to his legendary career. I hated to see that caution come out towards the end, because it was setting up to be a nice naturally played out finish. Then NASCAR threw the caution for debris down in the yellow area on the frontstretch, where the drivers don't even run. Stuff like that is why I only watched 6 races all year. 1042. Nathan8848 posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meant 20 total wins for Gibbs and Hendrick next year. 1043. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "The only difference is Kyle can fully remove that choker label by backing up this title down the road." I never understood this. Kyle has won at Darlington, Daytona, Talladega, Bristol & Richmond numerous times, multiple wins at both Road Courses, as well as the Brickyard this year. Meaning, he has won at the jewel races and the drivers track. Sure, he couldn't get everything together for the life of him to get a Cup, but how exactly is he a "choker?" Not to mention, Jimmie Johnson wasn't easy to beat during his early years from 2008 to 2010. Kyle pretty much lost a lot of races during the chase in 2011, but isn't that the same as what Harvick did all year this year? 2012 and 2014 were just slap on the face for Kyle, but doesn't everyone have a bad year here and there? 2013 was a great year for him, as is this year. 1044. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) God I'm old. First time I saw Jeff Gordon was when he was a minor character in the Dale & Dale show. 1045. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I seriously expect Joey to contend even stronger next year. 1046. racefangurl posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1036, I have an e-friend that likes both drivers. No thoughts on Allgaier (he's just there to me) and everybody here knows how I feel about Bayne. He likes Homestead, btw. 1047. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm gonna be honest idk if he wins this year under the old points. Things would have played out a lot differently. for example I don't think the whole Joey Kenseth thing happens if there is no Chase. Matt only did what he did because he thought Joey robbed him of a chance to win the title. Under the old system Kenseth pretty much would have already had no shot to win the title by the time we got to Kansas and Martinsville. I don't think he would have dumped him at Martinsville since he probably wouldn't have viewed the incidents the same way, and him not doing that would put Joey a lot closer to Harvick coming into this race which would have caused them to race a lot differently. " I think Harvick races differently last year and this year 1048. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is early but my chase grid for next season will be. 1. Kevin Harvick 2. Kyle Busch 3. Brad K 4. Joey Logano 5. Jimmie Johnson 6. Dale Jr 7. Kurt Busch 8. Denny Hamlin 9. Carl Edwards 10. Austin Dillon 11. Kyle Larson 12. Aric Almirola 13. Martin Truex Jr 14. Jamie McMurray 15. Tony Stewart 16. Kasey Kahne 1049. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Kyle busch does not deserve this championship he missed 11 races. Kevin Harvick was the most consistent driver this year and missed. This really shows how bad this format is. 1050. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Kyle busch does not deserve this championship he missed 11 races. Kevin Harvick was the most consistent driver this year and missed. This really shows how bad this format is. 1051. Eric posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Sector, You completely look why Kyle has been labeled as a choker in the past. People claim Kyle is a Choker in the same Sense Rusty Wallace was. The reason is Kyle rarely won majors. While you mentioned Kyle won Daytona, the one he won doesn't make think he's not a choker. The Daytona 500 is a major, not the Summer Daytona race. The Summer Daytona race hasn't been a major in years. Road Courses, Richmond and Bristol aren't considered majors by people like CJS3872. Kyle's Championship to some people doesn't shed his choker reputation since Kyle didn't race all 36 this season. The did think shed his choker reputation by having a Brickyard 400 win and his 2008 Southern 500 win. 1052. Sean posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "The reason is Kyle rarely won majors. While you mentioned Kyle won Daytona, the one he won doesn't make think he's not a choker. The Daytona 500 is a major, not the Summer Daytona race. The Summer Daytona race hasn't been a major in years." Which is ridiculous because Kyle Busch would have won the 2009 Daytona 500 GOING AWAY, almost without question, until getting caught up in the Big One which started directly in front of him (not his fault). To the people saying Harvick got screwed, I still think Logano had the better season. If this chase format isn't being utilized, chances are Logano and Kenseth don't wreck each other and then LOGANO is leading in full-season points. I think he did better than Harvick, at least in terms of winning when he had opportunities to win. Logano and Keselowski had roughly equal dominance but Joey got the wins and Brad didn't. Harvick was way more dominant than Kurt but only had one more win. 1053. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm probably going to watch the 500 next year, Bristol, Martinsville, Darlington, Talladega, Atlanta, and maybe the road courses but that's about it. Too many cookie cutters and the sport is a joke. I may see what the new aero changes to the car (I went to the Southern 500 this year and it was the best race of the year in my eyes and not just because I was there) and hope for the best, but I've learned not to hold my breath for Nascar. 1054. Eric posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1044, Don't feel bad. The 1993 Daytona 500 was the first Daytona 500 race that I ever watched. I only watched CART only before 1993 in terms of different racing series. I don't know at the time that Jeff Gordon was going to be one the top 5 or top 10 NASCAR drivers of all time. 1055. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Jimmie Johnson = Kobe Bryant in his prime." Okay, I'm just gonna do this now since I've wanted to do it for a while. Nascar/NBA comparisons. Dale Earnhardt = Michael Jordan (Obvious.) Richard Petty = Bill Russell (Again, obvious.) David Pearson = Wilt Chamberlain (Put up huge numbers and could have put up even more under different circumstances - also were the chief rivals to Petty/Russell.) Jeff Gordon = Tim Duncan/Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Insane longevity. Pick one of Duncan/Jabbar.) Rusty Wallace = Isiah Thomas (Won championships, but were usually beaten by Earnhardt/Jordan.) Mark Martin = Karl Malone (Didn't win championships because they had to go up against Earnhardt/Jordan. Kind of sucks to have to put Mark with a scumbag like Malone, but I think their careers were quite similar.) Tony Stewart = Kobe Bryant (Controversial figures who are still undeniably legends. Maybe Shaq would be a good one for Tony too though.) Kevin Harvick = Kevin Garnett (Notorious trash talkers and fight instigators who only realized true greatness once they left longtime organizations in RCR/Minnesota.) Jimmie Johnson = LeBron James (Best of their generations, etc.) Joey Logano = James Harden (Odd men out at their previous teams, found perfect situations in Penske/Houston where they are flourishing.) That's probably enough for now. Like I said, before today I probably would have compared Kyle Busch to Chris Paul because of their inabilities to go deep in the Chase/playoffs, but that's pretty much meaningless now that Kyle finally put together a great Chase and is now a Cup champ. 1056. RaceFanX posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If you don't like putting Mark as Karl Malone you could always put him as Elgin Baylor. 1057. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Part II DSFF: "6) Texas 2007: Dude, Where's My Driver?. Kyle destroys his car in a mid race incident then storms out of the track like a little child. Problem is, the car is fixable. The #5 team gets it repaired and ready to drive to pick up some points. But Kyle is long gone. So they get the very driver he slammed into (ending his day legitimately) to finish the race for Kyle. Not only is that bad, but that driver is Dale Jr, free agent to be and marketing machine. He eventually replaces Kyle at HMS after they get decide they are tired of his antics. The most talented driver in the garage is shitcanned. Embarrassing. 5) Atlanta 2011: I Have Seen Jeff Gordon, And You Sir Are No Jeff Gordon. This one is underrated in my opinion. On Labor Day weekend 2011, a 26 year old Kyle Busch has the chance to win $1 million as part of a promotion by the Series sponsor if he can win a 500 mile race on a worn out, tire grinding track in the Deep South. 14 years earlier, on Labor Day weekend 1997, a 26 year old Jeff Gordon had the chance to win $1 million as part of a promotion by the Series sponsor if he can win a 500 mile race on a worn out, tire grinding track in the Deep South. Seeing as how Kyle was always supposed to be The Next Jeff Gordon, given his freakish talent and landing in elite rides at a ridiculously young age, this is a big deal. Up to this point, despite showing he is as talented as anyone, he has fallen way short of Gordon at the same age (who had much less stock car experience at the time), but if he can match this feat, it can help him a little bit start to fill those shoes. Not totally, but it could be a start. In 1997, Jeff carried a car inferior to the Fords to victory lane and the $1 million bonus. In 2011, Kyle Busch Agreed To Lose, he started 3rd, led 19 laps early, but faded to finish 23rd one lap down. Oh, by the way, the winner of that 2011 Atlanta race? 40 year old Jeff Gordon, who won an epic battle slip sliding with the 5 time defending champ. Speaking of throwback Refuse To Lose Jeff Gordon performances: 4) Richmond 2012: Wonderboy Vs Rowdy. Kyle is clinging to the final cha$e spot after a regular season full of horrible luck by 12 points over Jeff Gordon whose luck that season had been even worse. In his Cup career, Kyle already had 4 Richmond wins in Cup, as well as something like 89 Top 5s in Richmond Cup races (my unofficial count) in less than 8 seasons. Jeff, on the other hand, in his 20th season, out of 86 (at the time) career wins, had only 2 Richmond wins, one of which resulted in a 100 point, $100,000 penalty for an illegal motor. BIG advantage: Kyle. The race starts and Kyle isn't as strong as he usually is at Richmond, but still hovering around the 6th place mark which is all he needs. Meanwhile Jeff's car is a piece of shit. By the rain delay just before the halfway mark, he is 23rd, 2 laps down. But then Kyle's team makes a pit strategy error. 7 other teams make the same error and make it back to the Top 10. But it doesn't matter cause Kyle throws in the towel after this error, quits giving feedback about the car, and even with two Toyota corporate mates tanking in the end to give him positions, he only finishes 16th. All the while, Jeff gets his car adjusted and DRIVES LIKE A MAN POSSESSED, finishing 2nd. Jeff makes the cha$e, Kyle doesn't. 3) Loudon 2006: It Begins. Kyle enters his first cha$e in his second season 4th in points after a splendid regular season. Can he step it up in the cha$e and become the legend his talent would allow him to be? Of course not. He crowds a lapped car into the wall despite his spotter warning him there was a car there. This starts a career theme for Kyle, he fails to win a single cha$e race and falls to 10th in points. 2) Kansas 2010: Reut's Revenge. Remember Kyle's post race trashing of Reut's driving ability after Bristol. Not only is that a douchebag thing to do, it makes an enemy out of somebody who is not a threat to him potentially being the best in NASCAR. At Kansas, he finally pushes the way too nice Reut over the edge by dumping him early. They fix Reut's car, and Reut side swipes Kyle's car, warping Kyle's rear end geometry. Karma is a bitch. Kyle finishes 21st in the race. 1) Dover 2012: Biting The Hand That Feeds You. My personal favorite for a number of reasons. Kyle dominated the first 300 of the 400 laps before Jimmie passes him late. But there is a problem. Fuel mileage is an issue. So Jimmie back off, lets Kyle pass him back, and makes it to the end without pitting in 4th place. Kyle can't save the fuel so he has to pit. Afterwards he publically rips TRD over the radio, JGR's major corporate partner saying the "cost" him the race, even though if fuel wasn't a factor, Jimmie would have won going away. Uh-oh. The next week, he has to give the most "I have had my ass chewed out for 5 straight days" apology ever. He looked like an abused puppy. It was great. But the best part? The race was won by Brad K. Or as Kyle called him, "Who?". It was Brad's 2nd cha$e win in the first 3 races. In just his 3rd full season, Brad will win the Sprint Cup championship, something The Next Jeff Gordon hasn't done yet in 8 seasons. It is also his 2nd Top 5 points finish, something Rowdy only has one of in 8 seasons. Do you know "Who?" Brad is now Kyle? Huh? Do you know "Who?" he is yet?" Awesome stuff. 1058. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I never understood this. Kyle has won at Darlington, Daytona, Talladega, Bristol & Richmond numerous times, multiple wins at both Road Courses, as well as the Brickyard this year. Meaning, he has won at the jewel races and the drivers track. Sure, he couldn't get everything together for the life of him to get a Cup, but how exactly is he a "choker?"" I'm going to reprint comments that DSFF left on the 2012 Homestead cup race, you guy's will love this. This is pure gold! Part I DSFF: "Sorry cjs, I pretty much ruined the fun of ranking drivers historically. So let's make some fun rankings. Here are my Top twelve Epic Kyle Busch Meltdowns. In descending order. 12) Dover 2005: The Boring Start Of A Boring Rivalry. In the Busch race, Kyle tries to pass Harvick, wrecks both of them, Harvick shows his ass by driving their wreckage halfway across the track. Instead of ignoring him like Matt Kenseth the previous year, Kyle drives the wrong way on the track to the Busch garage in anger and makes things worse in his interview. 11) Michigan 2005: Air Kyle. Kyle leads 28 of the first 81 laps and appears to be heading towards his first Cup win. But he gets trash on his front grille robbing any air flow to his motor. Despite pleas from his crew, he stays out and blows the engine, finishing dead last. Seeing as how two weeks later he did win his first race at MIS's sister track, Cali, leading 95 of 250 laps, this looks really bad. 10) Chicago 2009: Windy City Airhead. Needing a good finish to stay in cha$e contention, and coming to the track as the defending winner (and only winner of a nighttime Chicago race at the time) his car isn't handling right so he hits the wall numerous times and can be heard overrevving the hell out of his motor on pit road in frustration. He eventually blows up, finishes 33rd, and loses the final cha$e spot to Brian Vickers. Ouch. 9) Bristol 2008-2011: Thunder Valley Roller Coaster. From the Summer of 2008 through the Summer of 2011, Kyle won 4 Cup races, 3 NWide races, and 3 Truck races at Bristol. But he also embarrassed himself a lot. After leading 415 consecutive laps in the Cup Night race in '08, he loses to a bump n run by Carl. To show his displeasure on the cool down lap, he slams into Carl, who further embarrasses him by spinning him out. He dominated the 2009 NWide Spring race, but a late pit road penalty costs him the win. He cusses his team out over the radio, then parks his car at the opposite end of the track as his crew, forcing them to push it a long way back to the hauler. Way to stay classy towards the guys who work their asses off so you can live your dream. In the 2010 NWide Night Race, he tries a slide job on Brad K, cuts across Brad's nose, then wrecks Brad for not rolling over for him, leading to the following night when Brad announces "Kyle Busch Is An Ass!". Kyle wins the Cup race over Reutimann. In the media center afterwards, he trashes Reut's driving ability even though he beat him making a needless enemy (hold this thought). Also, when asked about Brad's comments, Kyle responds by saying "Who?". In the Summer of 2011, he attempts another failed slide job in the Truck race (way to learn from your mistakes) on Sadler. He pits to repair the damage, returns to the track and wrecks Sadler (after doing the chicken shit puttering around waiting for him, a la Jeff Gordon) for not rolling over for him. Despite being favored to win the Cup race, it is won by (wait for it... wait for it...) Brad K, his 3rd win of the Summer en route to a 5th place finish in his second full season, which matches Kyle's career total at the time and presently (8 seasons). I wonder if he knew "Who?" Brad was after that one? 8) Texas 2010: Free Bird. After getting spun and avoiding the wall, Kyle still blows his tires out saving it. He has to pit to change the tires and speeds leaving the pits to beat the pace car to stay on the same lap. He gets the mandatory one lap penalty for this. Instead of taking his medicine and taking advantage of the inevitable lucky dogs, wave arounds, and phantom debris cautions, he is caught on camera giving a very mature middle finger to the NASCAR official, then the double bird. This gives him another one lap penalty. He finishes 32nd 2 laps down. He goes on to get his second best career points finish: Seventh. 7) Texas 2011: The Lonely Position of Parked. Running all 3 races on the Texas weekend, he is favored to get another "Triple Crown Weekend". He only gets to run in 1 race. In that first race, he tries to crowd championship contender Ron Hornaday into a lapped car. Ron pushes back, causes Kyle to brush the wall (which in modern day NASCAR automatically mandates a caution). Kyle uses the caution to shove a slowing Ron around the track and eventually head on into the wall destroying both Trucks. He is parked for the race which doesn't matter at the time. It matters the next morning when Mike Helton makes the Immortal announcement that "During the truck race last night, we had an incident between the 18 and the 33 trucks that resulted in NASCAR parking the 18 truck for the balance of the event ..... NASCAR has decided to maintain that parked position on the driver of the 18 truck for the balance of the weekend." HA!" 1059. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That still doesn't make sense. I never said they were majors, I specificity separated them by saying "jewel races" & "driver's tracks." Regardless of the issues, doesn't that make Tony Stewart a choker for not having the Daytona 500 won or even Darlington? I personally don't think the summer race and the "Great American Race" are that much different, since they are the same track after all. I'm not one to shun that since I personally think the Bristol night race is worth more than the spring one because the place is just absolutely gorgeous under the lights. Besides Charlotte and Martinsville (Of course, Kansas being his worst track and a very minor race track and Ponoco), Kyle's won everywhere just as much as Kevin has, or Kenesth, or anyone else for that matter. I still don't see where the "choker" comes in. If Rusty was such a choker, then doesn't that mean Mark Martin, or Bill Elliott, or everyone else becomes a choker too? 55 wins and a championship=/=choker. What about Brad? He literally lost the Texas race after completely spanking the field at Texas and happened to have lost the Darlington race in the process earlier in the year after the best car. There are so many scenarios everywhere that could be brought up in this discussion, that I just think people like to target Kyle Busch and label him as a "choker." 1060. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ponoco...lmao. Pocono* 1061. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would equate Mark Martin to John Stockton. Same circumstances and both were soft spoken and carried their teams with their actions. 1062. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's not bad murb (although I don't know what Malone did to you), I'd put Wallace with Garnett though where they have one title. Maybe put Harvick with Thomas if you're going to go the "bad boy" route. I wouldn't put Lebron with Jimmie. LBJ wouldn't have anything without a shortened season and Ray Allen. Jimmie deserves better than that. 1063. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think I typoed that last paragraph enough, but you guys can figure it out lol 1064. GDR4 posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Congrats to Kyle - I'll leave it up to other people to decide how worthy or unworthy he is. All he and everybody else can do is race under the system that's in place and the system says he's the champion, so that's what I go with. Real proud of the 4 team and the year they had, just hope they can turn some of these seconds into wins going forward. 1065. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Jimmie Johnson = Kobe Bryant in his prime." Makes sense. Kobe won his titles with Phil Jackson as coach, Dos Jotas has won everything he has with Knaus around. Question is can either win without their respective guy running the ship? 1066. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since I'm a Mavs Fan, I'll add this one: Dirk Nowitzki = Matt Kenseth (Both were great and consistent in their careers, never dominant and the best throughout their career but always there and they both managed to win one championship.) 1067. Eric posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sean, I know about the 2009 Daytona 500 wreck that Dale Jr. caused and prevented Kyle from winning that Daytona 500. I saw the watched the entire Daytona that was run. The catch is the reason Kyle didn't win the 2009 Daytona 500 didn't change Kyle Busch not being considered a choker for a person like CJS3872. Early this year, CJS3872 still considered Busch a choker at the time Kyle won the Brickyard 400. 1068. NadeauFan91 posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) Well ladies and gentlemen, it's official, NASCAR has truly become the biggest f**king joke ever! How can Brian France look at this and say "Yeah, this is how you win championships." Bye Felicia, see y'all next year. 1069. BMan0213 posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Which is ridiculous because Kyle Busch would have won the 2009 Daytona 500 GOING AWAY, almost without question, until getting caught up in the Big One which started directly in front of him (not his fault)." He got wrecked a little passed half way in that race. How many times had we seen Dale Sr have the best car in that race and get passed late in going. How do we not know Kyle would have made the wrong move like Tony did the year before in 08 and loos it on the last lap. I agree you can say he's a choker from that race, but you can't act like he was gonna win either. To me Kyle gets this Choker label from his numerous meltdowns in the Chase in past year combine with a large amount single race choke jobs such as the 2009 Coke Zero 400, the 2012 race at the Glen (yes there was oil on the track but he still wreck himself by chopping of Brads nose) and the 2012 fall Richmond race where he raced his way out of a Chase spot. The list goes on and on. Dose tonight help him get rid of that label? Yes, Yes it does, but to that I say Peyton Manning has a Super Bowl and while he has all the Major NFL passing records, the majority still consider him one of the biggest chokers the sport has ever seen. This is why Kyle needs to back it up (and preferably do it without him missing any races). If he doesn't, he's just the racing equivalent of Peyton Manning. Someone who did many great things but really should have done a lot more than they did. 1070. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I personally don't think the summer race and the "Great American Race" are that much different, since they are the same track after all." 100 miles (which tests the car and engine builders), and pressure in the biggest race. I actually like watching the summer race until they moved it to a night race because the track was a lot slicker where it was so hot and tested the drivers more. Nascar got away from that because of more money in prime time of course. I wish they would do away with power steering too. A lot of these guys may not have made it, including Jeff Gordon from what the King has said. 1071. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I would equate Mark Martin to John Stockton." Oh yeah, that's probably better. "Dirk Nowitzki = Matt Kenseth" Great one. "although I don't know what Malone did to you" He didn't do anything to me, and I still have mad respect for him as one of the greatest players ever, but he's pretty notoriously not a great person (for example: impregnated a 13 year old girl when he was like 20 and then totally neglected the mother and kid for years - but whatever I guess - anyway I think Stockton actually is the better comparison for Mark). 1072. Evan posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is probably the toughest race for me to comment on, first off congratulations to the #18 team and Kyle Busch on their win and championship. Kyle Busch finally found a way to win the big one and step up when he needed to and became a championship driver and he won at age 30, the age I predicted he would win it. Even though I am a bit disappointed about the result, I must accept it the way it is, even though I probably won't have too many fond memories of this race, except it was Jeff Gordon's last as a full-time competitor. Only thing is I have never had a driver retire so, it is going to be difficult to not see Jeff Gordon behind the wheel of the 24 next year, but I welcome him to the TV booth and we'll see how he does. There are mixed emotions about this championship, on one hand Kyle Busch had to battle back from adversity(breaking his leg and foot) and fought(off track) to get healed up and back behind the wheel of a race car. On the other hand, I don't believe he should have had any opportunity to compete for a championship, because of missing too many races. But then again, the fight was off-track, too. There were a lot of man hours and rehab that we as fans don't see when the cameras stop rolling and remember he and Samantha had a kid on the way, so you've got to give his wife credit for hanging in as well. But season-wise, it had good and bad points, but overall I was very pleased about the season, even though it did not end the way I wanted it to. As for racing next year, I'll still watch what I can. We have a lot of young drivers with a lot of promise coming up, Chase Elliott, Ty Dillon, Ryan Blaney, Chris Buescher, Darrell Wallace to name a few and that makes me optimistic about the future. For me personally, my family and I are moving in January and we have a lot of work ahead of us. So I'll be excited about Daytona. See Ya! 1073. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Earnhardt=Michael Jordan Richard Petty=Cy Young (Impossible to match, gigantic win totals for each.) David Pearson=Joe Dimaggio Jeff Gordon=Jack Nicklaus (cjs3872 will make this comparison. Both the King of Majors.) Jimmie Johnson=Michael Schumacher Bobby Allison=Niki Lauda Darrell Waltrip=? (Fill this one in for me.) Cale Yarborough=Terry Bradshaw Curtis Turner=Babe Ruth (Super party animals that played and raced while hungover with no sleep.) Fred Lorenzen=Mickey Mantle 1074. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) Technically Kyle Busch has still yet to put a full season together and win a championship. Really he had no pressure on him like he has before. He really didn't have a lot of expectations being out for 11 races. Anything that he won or got was extra and it happened to be a fabricated Chase championship. 1075. GDR4 posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Darrell is Ken Griffey Jr. - a great player who was diminished by injuries and probably hung around too long. 1076. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A Cup is still a Cup. Here's a good question for everyone. Who does everyone think will first reach the elite 40 wins club? Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick or Matt Kenesth? They all have 30+ wins so far. 1077. 23andJoe posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) And despite missing virtually a full third of the season, Kyle Busch wins the championship. *cue 10 minutes of Taz sounds in lieu of actual cursing* ...and that's it. Sorry, NASCAR, but no. Nobody who DOESN'T PLAY OVER A QUARTER OF THE GAMES would win a championship anywhere in the 'stick-and-ball' sports you're so desperate to emulate, and they never would have won anything within the points systems you used when you were actually more interested in having good product for your actual fans. Not even Ryan Blaney getting a full-time ride next year is enough to make up for this. Stick a fork in legitimacy, it's done. 1078. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Darrell Waltrip=? (Fill this one in for me.) Cale Yarborough=Terry Bradshaw" I'd go with Montana in place of Bradshaw where Montana had some nice late drives like Cale had some nice late passes in his career. 3 of his 4 Daytona 500 wins came with late passes. I think Troy Aikman would be good comparison with Waltrip. Both had great talent and great resources on their team when they won championships. 1079. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1073- Darrell Waltrip = Roger Staubach? 1080. DaleJrForeverFan posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "Here's a good question for everyone. Who does everyone think will first reach the elite 40 wins club? Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick or Matt Kenesth? They all have 30+ wins so far." I think Dale Jr. will finally break out and win 14 races next year and beat all three to 40 wins 1081. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Really could wish Gordon could have won. Then I could have said: DSFF, I'm afraid I've got some bad news 1082. "Back-to-rags" France posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Competition has been at a huge low. Only FIVE teams won races this year, the lowest EVER, only tied with 1974, and 12 drivers. Compare to 2013, which had ten teams and 18 drivers." Four teams won all but one race. Take the "worst" Gibbs driver and he would be the best driver for any other team not among the big four of Hendrick, Stewart-Haas, Gibbs, and Penske. If they go ahead with the proposed franchising scheme teams should be required to eventually drop down to two cars. It's the perfect opportunity to do something like that. It will never happen, of course. 1083. murb posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Who does everyone think will first reach the elite 40 wins club? Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick or Matt Kenesth? They all have 30+ wins so far." Harvick still needs nine more, so definitely not him. Kenseth could have another great year again next year, or he could drop off again like he did in 2014 and not win that much. And then Kyle has some big momentum now, finally has a crew chief that he works extremely well with, and proved this year that he can win in bunches. I'll say Kyle will be at 40 by early 2017. 1084. Anonymous posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I wish the 18 would fail post-race inspection and get win taken away. Wonder how they would award the title? 1085. Christian posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1084 The same way they awarded the win to Lee Petty for winning the first Daytona 500. 1086. Christian posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @1082 Don't forget that since Busch's win at Sonoma Joe Gibbs Racing and Joey Logano won all but 4 races. That's close to Formula 1 levels of competitiveness. Compare that to Indycar this year where the most wins any driver had this year was Scott Dixon with 3. 1087. MAR posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If they wanna do franchising then they should add a salary cap to keep the big 4 from out spending everyone else. 1088. Sector posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I also wanted to mention, the past two champions in the Cup has yet to win the most races in a single year. Both Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch came shy of that three times. 1) Kevin's 5 to Kasey Kahne's 6 in 2006. 2) Kevin's 4 to Tony Stewart's 5 in 2011. 3) Kevin's 5 to Brad Keselowski's 6 in 2014. 1) Kyle's 8 to Carl Edwards' 9 in 2008 2) Kyle's 4 to Tony Stewart's 5 in 2011. 3) Kyle's 5 to Joey Logano's 6 in 2015. Interesting stats to look over. Notice how Harvick had possibly his best year (bar 2010) with Childress in 2006 and Kyle definitely had his best year in 2008. They both had the most races until Tony Stewart turned up the heat during the 2011 chase. Then finally, Kevin & Kyle won championships, only to have a Penske driver win one more race than he did. 1089. BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (2) (5) ""BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters" is a troll and a bandwagon fan. The guy hasn't been seen on here since he went on his streak during the summer and used to go by the name "StopWatchingNASCARItsNot1998Anymore". Reminds me of all those people on the facebook page who brag every time Kyle wins a truck race. " Just admit you were wrong about Busch getting into the Hall of Fame on his Cup accomplishments. I tried to tell you, but you stubbornly refused to listen. Oh, and by the way, suck it. 1090. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Normally I would dismiss any sort of conspiracies, but here is something I noticed and Spen mentioned it earlier: The Eventual winner of the Championship has won the final race the last two years. Doing research, in the Modern Era (1972-) the champion only won the finale TWICE (Gordon in 1998 and Stewart in 2011) And now the championship has ended with Chase contenders running 1-2 at the finish the last two years. For now I will think this is a coincidence, but if this happens in 2016 I will be a little skeptical. 1091. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I won't admit anything until you show some respect and quit acting like you're above everyone else, dipshit. 1092. PenskeGuy posted: 11.22.2015 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I definitely see what some of you are saying when it comes to whether or not Kyle Busch deserved the title. Missing 11 races definitely doesn't make me look at his title the same way I would if Harvick had won it (I'd have considered it to be a weak title for Gordon or Truex had either of them won it because they both did not have many Top 5 finishes this season). I say Kyle deserved it because he performed when he absolutely had to (for the very first time in his career after a book of huge fades, lol). However, I do think NASCAR screwed up by letting anyone in the Top 30 who has a win in the Chase. Someone mentioned earlier that a lower funded team could sneak their way in by getting a plate win or so and not doing much else. Last race for MWR before they close their doors. Very glad that Truex got his career back on track after how he got screwed in SpinGate 2013. Justice was served for all. 1093. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) #1089 Yes, go ahead and keep acting all high and mighty now that Kyle is a champion. I'm sure jamming it down everyone's throats and telling them to suck it is gonna win you many friends down the road... This is the kind of response I expect from a little child, not a grown adult. I REALLY hope you don't act like this in actual life as well... 1094. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm going to spend the off season wondering how the heck the Mavs have won 6 in a row with a team that wasn't expected to make the playoffs. 1095. Eric posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @1080, This is a good question. I am guessing Kyle Busch getting 40 wins first. Matt Kenseth usually doesn't win 5 races a season and his 2014 season had him with no wins. Kyle tends to win at least 3 times a season at least in the cup series. The other reason is Kyle this season seemed to be a smarter driver for the most part for the cup series. I don't have Kevin Harvick getting to 40 wins first only because Kevin at Stewart-Haas has given away a lot of wins despite having 8 in 2 years. Kevin getting 40 career cup wins is almost 100 percent going to happen at some point, but Kevin is the classic 3 to 5 cup wins a season top type of a driver. 1096. Anonymous0 posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #1093 This is my usual experience with Kyle Busch fans I've had the misfortune of running into. Now it's foolish to think they are all like that because they're not. But as with any fan base morons like 1089 make the rest of them look bad. 1097. STATMAN posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Like it or not, Rowdy is the champion and he deserves it. If he does the first 11 races he is still the champion. Kyle had a great season and for all we know, maybe he is still the champion under another system if he raced the full year. This doesn't bother me that much to be honest. A champion that doesn't win a race is the only thing that really bothers me. 1098. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Pearson won the tile in 1966 and missed 7 races! That must make it the weakest title of all time! 1099. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) And Denny Hamlin gets a top 10 after spending a couple laps in the garage. Not a bad day. 1100. Schroeder51 posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^Reminds me of the time Kyle Busch once had a mechanical issue at Watkins Glen very early in the race that sent him to the garage for about 6-7 laps, and due to the sheer amount of cautions (and the fact that nobody else really got lapped), he kept getting the free pass, made all of his laps up, and got a top 10 finish. That was...back when he was driving for Hendrick ('06 I think?). It also reminds me of how the free pass feels pretty superfluous nowadays what with the wavearound rule. Of course NASCAR won't get rid of it, though... 1101. Eric posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @1059, NASCAR have been called chokers not for regular events, but for stuff like not winning crown jewel events, giving away big championship leads, or drop of performance in the chase. Rusty Wallace has been called a choker in the past on this site by different people not due to his 55 wins or his 1989 cup championship including CJS3872. Rusty was called a choker due to his inability to win Crown Jewel Races. Like it or not, Rusty back in the 1990's and early 2000's did give away a lot of Crown Jewel races. People in the past on this site actually has called Tony Stewart a choker to some degree due not winning crown jewel races outside of the Brickyard 400. You can't call Stewart a complete choker due to the fact he doesn't choke in championship battles. People usually don't call Bill Elliott a choker due to crown jewel race wins, although I considered Bill did choked in 1985 and 1992. Bill's teams in the 1980's focused on big money races more than short tracks due purse money. What people with Bill is hurt his ranking because of because of his short tracks and what he did as a driver/owner. Short tracks was a key factor why Bill lost the championship in 1985 and 1992 with Bill not being known for Short Tracks. Brad isn't considered a choker after Texas due to his chase championship, but don't know how much longer. Mark isn't known as a choker due to amount of crown jewel wins, but his career driver ranking on this site has been hurt by his inability to win a cup championship and give Crown Jewel races away. You don't get it with Daytona. I hear drivers for many years saying they want to win the Daytona 500, but they don't that with the summer race and the racing media doesn't value the summer cup race as much as the Daytona 500 either. You are considering both races are the same in terms of important value to the driver and the media, when they are not. The Daytona 500 is a bigger deal than the Summer Event due to length and NASCAR marketed the race as the Super Bowl of NASCAR. Remember the summer event offers the race winner much less money than the Daytona 500 does and that shows the difference of importance of the 2 Daytona points races. 1102. JG24FanForever posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jeff Gordon ends his career tied with Jimmie Johnson for the highest Top 5 percentage since 1993. His and Johnson's .4083 is significantly higher than the next closest average active driver, which is Kyle Busch's .3333. Only 18 drivers have a batting average of .200 or better, and Johnson is without a doubt the last driver that will ever bat .400 in a career, but only if he can maintain his rate. Jeff Gordon .4083 in 796 starts (Never missed a race, despite numerous savage wrecks.) Jimmie Johnson .4083 in 507 starts Dale Earnhardt .3930 in 257 starts (Quite a gap back to KB.) Kyle Busch .3333 in 390 starts Dale Jarrett .3100 in 500 starts Mark Martin .3088 in 680 starts Tony Stewart .3085 in 590 starts Rusty Wallace .2959 in 436 starts Denny Hamlin .2901 in 362 starts Matt Kenseth .2820 in 578 starts Carl Edwards .2812 in 409 starts Joey Logano .2549 in 255 starts Kevin Harvick .2546 in 538 starts Brad Keselowski .2532 in 233 starts Ernie Irvan .2515 in 167 starts Dale Jr. .2478 in 577 starts Kurt Busch .2148 in 540 starts Ryan Newman .2012 in 512 starts 1103. 88&4Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 1090- To be fair Gordon probably would've won last year and Larson (or Keselowski, but probably Larson I mean he was coming fast) this year if not for NASCAR and their invisible French buddy. 1104. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Starting tomorrow, I'm going to do a pros and cons for every single driver for their 2015 season. I'll start with the champion and I'll go down in points to everyone that attempted every race (with the exception of the Busch brothers.) 1105. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the very few who wanted it, here's the champions going by the 68-71 and 72-73 NASCAR point systems from '74-'15. 68-71 (slightly modified for modern era): 500 mile races + World 600 - 150..147.144...3 400 mile races - 100..98..96...2 Everything else- 50..49..48...1 1974:R Petty 1975:R Petty 1976:R Petty 1977:C Yarborough 1978:C Yarborough 1979:R Petty 1980:C Yarborough 1981:B Allison 1982:B Allison 1983:B Allison 1984:H Gant 1985:B Elliott 1986:D Earnhardt 1987:D Earnhardt 1988:B Elliott 1989:M Martin 1990:M Martin 1991:D Earnhardt 1992:B Elliott 1993:D Earnhardt 1994:D Earnhardt 1995:D Earnhardt 1996:D Jarrett 1997:M Martin 1998:J Gordon 1999:D Jarrett 2000:B Labonte 2001:J Gordon 2002:J Gordon 2003:M Kenseth 2004:J Johnson 2005:T Stewart 2006:J Johnson 2007:J Gordon 2008:J Johnson 2009:J Gordon 2010:K Harvick 2011:C Edwards 2012:G Biffle 2013:J Johnson 2014:J Gordon 2015:K Harvick 72-73 System - 2 pts/position 100..98..96...2 + Pts/Lap from 1.25/Lap at Tracks >=2.5 miles to .25/Lap at <=1 mile tracks 1974:C Yarborough 1975:R Petty 1976:C Yarborough 1977:C Yarborough 1978:C Yarborough 1979:D Waltrip 1980:D Earnhardt 1981:B Allison 1982:B Allison 1983:B Allison 1984:H Gant 1985:B Elliott 1986:D Earnhardt 1987:D Earnhardt 1988:B Elliott 1989:R Wallace 1990:M Martin 1991:D Earnhardt 1992:B Elliott 1993:D Earnhardt 1994:D Earnhardt 1995:S Marlin 1996:T Labonte 1997:D Jarrett 1998:J Gordon 1999:D Jarrett 2000:B Labonte 2001:J Gordon 2002:M Martin 2003:J Johnson 2004:D Earnhardt Jr 2005:T Stewart 2006:J Johnson 2007:J Gordon 2008:C Edwards 2009:T Stewart 2010:K Harvick 2011:T Stewart 2012:G Biffle 2013:J Johnson 2014:J Gordon 2015:J Logano 1106. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm never really understood what it means to be a "choker" in the crown jewel races. By the logic that everyone's using, is Dale Earnhardt a choker for having the dominant car in almost every 500 race and only winning 1 of them? Of course not. 1107. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Keselowski led 1185 laps in 2015. He led 1184 of those in races he didn't win. 1108. Ryan W posted: 11.22.2015 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Eventual winner of the Championship has won the final race the last two years. Doing research, in the Modern Era (1972-) the champion only won the finale TWICE (Gordon in 1998 and Stewart in 2011)" Although either time was the finale, Dale Earnhardt clinched the Cup with wins at Atlanta with one race remaining in 1986 and at Rockingham in 1994 with two races remaining (Nascar considers that cussing when someone doesn't clinch it in the last race so they changed it to make sure that never happens again). 1109. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 12:16 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) And perhaps we are overlooking the most important stat of all: Wins since Spingate MWR: 0 Truex: 1 and counting 1110. Ryan W posted: 11.23.2015 - 12:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm never really understood what it means to be a "choker" in the crown jewel races. By the logic that everyone's using, is Dale Earnhardt a choker for having the dominant car in almost every 500 race and only winning 1 of them? Of course not." He did not have the dominant car in every 500 he was in. I would say him and Bodine were pretty close in '86 (ran out of gas), him and Schrader in '90 (Schrader blew up and Dale lost the race due to freak bad luck), him, Davey and Ernie in '91 were close, him, Jarrett, and Kyle Petty the best cars in '93, and him and Gordon in '98. I know he got 2nd in '95 and '96 but the drivers that won those races had the best cars. Never did he clearly have the most dominant car in any of the races. You have to remember he never had the major engine builder that a lot of those drivers that won during that time period had (Yates, Dorton, Wilson, Pittman, E. Elliott). I thought he did good a lot of times to finish as high as he did. Although he ran well in the early 80's he never had a good car capable of winning until '86. He had top 5 and top 10 cars most of his career there and as a matter of fact he finished in the top 10 in every race from 1987-1996. That being said he won plenty at Darlington (9), Talladega (10), and three 600's and Indy once (I think all Earnhardt fans at the time were surprised by that win) if you consider that a major. 1111. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 12:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Key word "almost", I didn't say all. But he did well at the majors. 1112. Ryan W posted: 11.23.2015 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think definitely '90. In '84 and '99 I thought he did well to get 2nd. Some good cars dropped out in '84 and Rusty and Mayfield screwed up in '99 and didn't take tires late when Gordon, Earnhardt, and Skinner (I know sad, but he was a factor that day and actually could have won if things would have went right for him) did. I actually think in 2001 he had a good enough car for HIM (meaning had other average drivers been in it they wouldn't have) to win as well. So really out of his 23 races in that race I'd say he had the most dominant car at most in 2 of the races. 1113. RWR posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #98 owner is Tommy Baldwin Jr. 1114. RWR posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) The season is already finished, congrats to Kyle after a wreck in February, now we can list a 2016 driver/team chart. 1115. BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:38 am Rate this comment: (2) (11) "I won't admit anything until you show some respect and quit acting like you're above everyone else, dipshit. " I can't even imagine how hard this must be for you, to be so certain about something, and yet end up being so embarrassingly wrong about it. Doesn't matter to me whether you admit it or not, we all know, we saw the race, we saw the celebration. To you and all the other people who were so certain this would never happen, and there were a LOT of you, just go back and look at race threads from 2008-onward, I hope you enjoy hearing this every race next year anytime they show the 18: "Reigning Cup Champion Kyle Busch" 1116. WinstonCupStandings posted: 11.23.2015 - 3:13 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) What a f**king farce Lol. Harvick was the only one of the "Final Four" that deserved the Championship (And I'm a Gordon fan), but I will admit seeing Busch "win" the Championship when Harvick deserved it. makes Harvick's 2014 Shampionship sting a little less. Congrats Harvick on Championship 2! 1117. Sector posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, I understand that. But the fact of the matter is: They win some, they lose some. I don't see how the term "choker" can be a big deal to most. I'm a Jeff Gordon fan first, and by that logic, do I call Jeff Gordon a choker for getting beat by Dale Earnhardt Jr last year at Martinsville? Or when Brad made contact and Gordon happened to lose a tire at Texas, not making it to the final four due to those situations? I just see it all as "it's not meant to be" or "there's always next year," etc. 1118. Sector posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For those who didn't realize Bowyer was in the chase, that's because of his 3 DNF's resulting him to finish 40th or worse 3 times, including two dead last place finishes (43rd), including tonight's race. Lol 1119. Sector posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin Harvick finishes 2nd for the second straight race. Unlike last year when he won the last two races in a clutch formation, and finishing 3rd at Texas this year (2nd last year, point is, he finished one position worse in all three races this year), will Harvick end up repeating that strong stretch of top 3 finishes again next year instead of top 2? (I doubt it) We shall find out in February, stay tuned! Kevin has had the same average finish this year as he did in 2010 (8.7 Average Finish). Turns out, they are also when he scored the most points and didn't win the championship. I'd say those aren't a good combination for Harvick as it should be. Also, it's the organization of Stewart-Haas Racing's first time scoring the most points in a season, luckily, since Joey Logano was taking out and had a bad race in the process after being on fire. 1120. WinstonCupStandings posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:43 am Rate this comment: (4) (4) Top 10 (Just noticed I've been leaving this out for a little while...so it's back) 1) Kevin Harvick (5429) -Champion 2) Joey Logano (5273) -156 3) Brad Keselowski (4974) -455 4) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (4905) -524 5) Martin Truex, Jr. (4769) -660 6) Jimmie Johnson (4762) -667 7) Denny Hamlin (4648) -781 8) Jeff Gordon (4574) -855 9) Carl Edwards (4563) -866 10) Kurt Busch (4494) -935 1121. Alex posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:45 am Rate this comment: (5) (2) Hear that sound? It is the sound of the intelligent people walking away from the sport for good. And as for this: "BuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters" It is obvious someone has deep psychological issues and is in SERIOUS need of counselor (think kind of person who beats fans of the away team at football games). So let's do ourselves a favor and not acknowledge this mental midget any further. 1122. JG24FanForever posted: 11.23.2015 - 7:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Crown Jewel and driver track wins boosting you're all-time ranking; these are the races I put the most importance into: Southern 500 Daytona 500 World 600 Brickyard 400 Firecracker 250/400 Fall Martinsville Bristol Night Sonoma Watkins glen Riverside (really any road-race win should have added weight.) Pocono (This is a very tough and unique track, that is likened to a road-course.) Add that all up and Jeff Gordon has 42 total wins. Richard Petty has the second highest total with 27. Dale Earnhardt has 20. If you need Talladega in there, Gordon has 48 total and Big E has the second highest with 30. Petty comes in third with 29. 1123. Cornys posted: 11.23.2015 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) @1121 NASCAR is a league not a sport. Auto-Racing is a sport. Hopefully people who walk away from NASCAR don't walk away from auto-racing. 1124. I Lost My Name posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I agree Kyle is a great driver. I think he is a championship level driver, but he shouldn't have won this year. Him winning after missing 11 races makes a joke out of the championship and all it stands for. 1121. Alex. Again can't you be nice and show basic human kindness? Why do u always have to personally attack someone and cross the line just because you don't agree with their views? 1125. Opie posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Got to agree with Cornys on this one. If you swear to stop watching the NFL would you stop watching college football as well? 1126. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:17 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) KyleBuschIsAChampionSuckItHaters, There is a fine line between proving a point and being a jerk about it. You fall into the 2nd category. 1127. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Updates #24 Axalta/Jeff Last Ride #47 Kroger/Scott Prod./Clorox/Hungry Jack #17 MCR Safety/Fastenal #10 GoDaddy/Thank You Danica & NASCAR #9 Cheney Brothers Fueled by Smithfield #83 Cosmo Motors 1128. Alex posted: 11.23.2015 - 9:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) "I agree Kyle is a great driver. I think he is a championship level driver, but he shouldn't have won this year. Him winning after missing 11 races makes a joke out of the championship and all it stands for. 1121. Alex. Again can't you be nice and show basic human kindness? Why do u always have to personally attack someone and cross the line just because you don't agree with their views? " Did I attack him? No, I simply pointed out the fact that the person is mentally ill. It is a fact, much like the fact that the current year is 2015. This post of yours is hilarious as it comes from a person who has before shown a total disdain for humanity. I am showing him kindness by pointing this fact out to those who didn't recognize it. *drops mic* 1129. Alex posted: 11.23.2015 - 9:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "@1121 NASCAR is a league not a sport. Auto-Racing is a sport. Hopefully people who walk away from NASCAR don't walk away from auto-racing. " This is true, but NASCAR also advertises itself as a sport. NASCAR is in no way connected to the separate sport of auto racing or, in particular, stock car auto racing. I admit I wasn't clear about this in my post. 1130. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 9:19 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) I actually took the time to read the comments on NASCAR's YouTube page (yes seriously), and I'd say about 90% of the comments were positive and happy for Busch. And while I will never like the Chase, I've learned that complaining about it will do nothing. So congrats to the 18, and hopefully the racing next season with the new package will be much better. 1131. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 11:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch also joins Bobby Labonte, Brad Keselowski, and Kevin Harvick as the only drivers to win Cup and Xfinity titles. Considering how good he is in Trucks, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the first triple crown winner. 1132. Brad24 posted: 11.23.2015 - 11:32 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Thank you, Jeff for providing me with wonderful memories as huge fan these past 20 years. It's been a great ride. 1133. Anonymous posted: 11.23.2015 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Larson was once again so close to his first win, Just one water bottle short. And he would have won with ease had it gone green he was 1/2 to 3/4 of a second a lap faster than brad 1134. I Lost My Name posted: 11.23.2015 - 12:30 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) "Did I attack him? No, I simply pointed out the fact that the person is mentally ill. It is a fact, much like the fact that the current year is 2015. This post of yours is hilarious as it comes from a person who has before shown a total disdain for humanity. I am showing him kindness by pointing this fact out to those who didn't recognize it". The fact that you see nothing wrong with what you said, continue to insult and post the about stupid comment shows that talking to u is a waste. We are here to talk racing! 1135. Hunter S. posted: 11.23.2015 - 12:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) I bad a fond farewell to Jeff Gordon. It will be incredibly weird to know he won't be in the #24 car next year. It'll take a couple of months before I really understand he's no longer out there. Congrats to Kyle Busch, I guess? A guy who missed 11 races beating out a guy who had one of the best seasons in NASCAR is nothing short of laughable, but I guess that's just how it goes in 2015. 1136. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) To add to murb's list, here are some more comparisons: Dirk Nowitzki = Matt Kenseth (already explained it.) Davey Allison = Grant Hill (Each were on the path of becoming great until injuries/death effectively stunted or ended their careers). Darrell Waltrip = Shaq (Both are multi-time champions and once they stopped using their mouths and put full focus on their careers they achieved greatness.) Kyle Busch = Chris Paul (Both are elite currently in their respective positions, but they always found a way to throw it all away when it mattered. However, after yesterday this may no longer be an accurate comparison). Rob Moroso = Len Bias (Each could have had great careers, but drugs/alcohol ruined their careers and eventually their lives.) Bobby Allison = Oscar Robertson (Each were of the best talents, but they didn't have many championships to show for it.) Bill Elliott = Moses Malone (Each won one title in the 80's and they were one of the best in that era but they always lost to Earnhardt, Waltrip and the Lakers and Celtics.) Carl Edwards = Carmelo Anthony (Very consistent and elite currently but they've haven't been able to win a title due to stronger competition, playoffs, etc.) Dale Jarrett = Hakeem Olajuwon (Both were able to beat the superpowers of Hendrick/Bulls once or twice and both had the majority of their success on one team in Yates/Rockets.) 1137. Sector posted: 11.23.2015 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle Busch also joins Bobby Labonte, Brad Keselowski, and Kevin Harvick as the only drivers to win Cup and Xfinity titles. Considering how good he is in Trucks, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the first triple crown winner." It'll be hilarious if Kyle decides to run for Trucks next year while not running for points in Cup lmao (Which won't happen at all, maybe in the end when he retires) 1138. someone posted: 11.23.2015 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, first bit of off season news I guess, Chad Johnston will replace Chris Heroy as crew chief for Kyle Larson next season. I don't think there's any word on who Tony Stewart's new crew chief will be. 1139. Cornys posted: 11.23.2015 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've learned that complaining about it will do nothing. So congrats to the 18, and hopefully the racing next season with the new package will be much better." Complaining will do nothing. Not watching, attending or posting about it to social media will. If you're not willing to do that, you're just torturing yourself if it works you up. If not, just enjoy it :) 1140. Mamorese posted: 11.23.2015 - 1:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) While NASCAR's leadership is horrendous, they really need to stop bringing in consulting firms to evaluate the racing model. When Brian France took over the first thing he did was bring in the Boston Consulting Group to evaluate the on track product. They suggested a playoff structure may allow the sport to get to the next level, and the rest is history. Keep in mind this same consulting group was the one who told Indycar to end the season early, which in my opinion is equally as ridiculous. These firms are great for business process improvement but have no true connection to the fanbase and what our true wants or needs are. 1141. Mamorese posted: 11.23.2015 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keep in mind the current VP of Nascar is from BCG. Wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if they were the ones who have convinced them to launch all these crazy gimmicks over the years 1142. murb posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't think there's any word on who Tony Stewart's new crew chief will be." They're saying it's gonna be Mike Bugarewicz, who has been Harvick's engineer the last couple years. 1143. Chives5150 posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Rob Moroso = Len Bias (Each could have had great careers, but drugs/alcohol ruined their careers and eventually their lives.)" I really appreciate you posting this comparison. 1144. murb posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Considering how good he is in Trucks, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the first triple crown winner." I think Erik Jones clearly has the best opportunity that anyone has ever had (or at least since Biffle in the mid 2000s) to be the first one to do it (he already has the Truck title, is probably the overwhelming favorite for the NXS title next year, and pretty much has a JGR Cup ride waiting for him). Kyle won't get it unless he decides to go run for the Truck title at the end of his career or something (but honestly, I really don't see that happening). 1145. racefangurl posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) HarvWreck may have been the Latford champ, but my friend and me still don't like him. HarvWreck is what my friend called him. Matt Weaver, a motorsports writer, said Bayne roughed up Kevin "HarvWreck" Harvick at Martinsville. I did a Trevor Bayne wall search and this was one of the results: "Trevor Bayne roughing up Kevin Harvick several laps in a row. It took awhile for the 4 to get clear. And now Bayne is in the wall." So even though T-Bayne never put Harvick into the wall, he did rough him up. 1146. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think this is a bad move for the 42 team. Johnston had lots of missed wins with Truex and while Tony is a shell of himself, I don't think all of the problems the last two years were on him. But he may prove me wrong, it's an interesting move. 1147. murb posted: 11.23.2015 - 3:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chad Johnston wouldn't have been my first choice for Larson (I probably would have gone with Scott Zipadelli, who worked really well with Larson in NXS in 2014), but at worst I think it's a lateral move from Heroy. I don't think Johnston is a great crew chief or anything, but it wouldn't surprise me if he does better with a younger guy like Larson instead of a washed up Tony Stewart. If I had to guess, they'll run more like the 2012-2013 MWR #56 than how Stewart has ran the past couple years. I'm actually most interested to see how SHR is gonna look next year with their new crew chief lineup (in addition to Stewart's change, Billy Scott will apparently come over from MWR and be Danica's new crew chief - her third in three years, if you're counting). Most importantly, with them apparently moving Harvick's engineer over to Stewart, I'm wondering if that might take away from the #4 team just a little bit, as we've seen with other teams when they lose engineers to crew chief positions (for example, the #31 this year after Matt McCall left for Ganassi - also, I truly think the #48 hasn't been as great as they were since Greg Ives left). 1148. racefangurl posted: 11.23.2015 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1146-1147, Tony Stewart is a washed up old guy. I wonder how many fans will be lost in the next year with Gordon retired and Tony Stewart retiring in a year. 1149. Sector posted: 11.23.2015 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "HarvWreck may have been the Latford champ, but my friend and me still don't like him. HarvWreck is what my friend called him. Matt Weaver, a motorsports writer, said Bayne roughed up Kevin "HarvWreck" Harvick at Martinsville. I did a Trevor Bayne wall search and this was one of the results: "Trevor Bayne roughing up Kevin Harvick several laps in a row. It took awhile for the 4 to get clear. And now Bayne is in the wall." So even though T-Bayne never put Harvick into the wall, he did rough him up." And Bayne isn't even a quarter of a driver Harvick is. 1150. Alex posted: 11.23.2015 - 3:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Clint Bowyer was so bad this year that he finished 59 points behind Matt Kenseth. Process that. 1151. Cornys posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @Mamorese Honestly, I think IndyCar ending their 16 race season around the time that football begins is perfect. It allows about 2 weeks between races (15 race weekends in 32 weeks). I don't see IndyCar adding more than 18 event weekends anytime soon. Why go head to head with football if you don't have to? I attended the 2011 race at Kentucky in October. On of the best races I've ever seen in person, and it drew a .1 TV rating. The second to last race this year was in September and drew a 0.57. That's a BIG increase. I don't like it, because I want more racing and less waiting, but I think it's a good thing actually. 1152. Cornys posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *this year's second to last IndyCar race was at the end of August* Doh 1153. Tyson posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1150 - in fairness, he did have a 25 pt. penalty right at the beginning of the Chase, however he would have still finished behind Kenseth without it. Bowyer's avg. finish in the 10 Chase races was 24.2. Ouch. 1154. The Long Shot posted: 11.23.2015 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) With the end of the NASCAR season comes time for some silly season predictions: Cup: 1-Jamie McMurray 2-Brad Keselowski 3-Austin Dillon 4-Kevin Harvick 5-Kasey Kahne 6-Trevor Bayne 7-Alex Bowman 8-Chris Buescher: Dale Jr. had a recent tweet where he foreshadowed an Xfinity driver moving to Cup this year driving the #8 car; this is the only way I think it happens (likely for a 4th Roush team) 9-Brian Scott: I'm with murb; this makes too much sense not to happen (it's been all but confirmed via Twitter that he's gone from RCR after the year) 10-Danica Patrick 11-Denny Hamlin 13-Casey Mears 14-Tony Stewart 16-Greg Biffle 17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 18-Kyle Busch 19-Carl Edwards 20-Matt Kenseth 21-Ryan Blaney 22-Joey Logano 23-Josh Wise: Wise will get a ride; this is probably the only one he'll get, however 24-Chase Elliott 27-Paul Menard 31-Ryan Newman 32-Jeffrey Earnhardt/Bobby Labonte 33-Cole Whitt (Circle Sport)/Ty Dillon (RCR): Dillon runs 10-12 races in preparation for a full-time campaign in 2017 34-Brett Moffitt: FRM is moving down to two teams and I can't imagine they'll let Moffitt slip away 38-David Gilliland: Veteran presence will keep him on the team 40-Landon Cassill: Would be surprised if he leaves 41-Kurt Busch 42-Kyle Larson 43-Aric Almirola 46-Michael Annett 47-A.J. Allmendinger 48-Jimmie Johnson 51-Clint Bowyer 78-Martin Truex Jr. 83-Matt DiBenedetto 88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 98-Jeb Burton: Burton won't be able to find a good Xfinity/Truck ride and is forced to settle for this piece of junk Xfinity: 0-Ryan Ellis: Ellis finally gets a full-time ride in a touring series, albeit a crappy one 01-Landon Cassill 3-Ty Dillon 4-Ross Chastain 6-Darrell Wallace Jr. 7-Justin Allgaier 8-Blake Koch 9-Elliott Sadler 10-Jeff Green 13-Derek White (part-time) 14-Mike Bliss 16-Ryan Reed 18-Daniel Suarez 19-Dakoda Armstrong: The sponsorship draw forces Tri-Star to give him an opportunity 20-Erik Jones 22-Ryan Blaney/Joey Logano/Brad Keselowski 24-Ben Rhodes: Eric McClure either retires or scales back to a part-time schedule and Tri-Star gives the former East Series champion the Xfinity ride he desires 25-John Wes Townley (part-time) 28-J.J. Yeley 33-Brandon Jones (owner's points for the #2 go here) 39-Ryan Sieg 42-Kyle Larson/Cameron Hayley: Hayley runs most of the races in preparation for a full-time campaign in 2017 43-David Ragan: RPM finally lets go of the ever-so-disappointing Dakoda Armstrong and gets Ragan in this ride to test him out 44-David Starr 51-Jeremy Clements 52-Joey Gase 54-Kyle Busch/Christopher Bell 62-Brendan Gaughan 70-Derrike Cope 74-Mike Harmon 84-Chad Boat (part-time) 88-Alex Bowman/Dale Earnhardt Jr./Kevin Harvick/Kasey Kahne/Chase Elliott 89-Morgan Shepherd (part-time) 90-Harrison Rhodes: Attempts to commit to one driver for 2016 97-Dylan Kwasniewski: Ditto 98-Aric Almirola/Brian Scott (part-time) Truck: 0-Justin Jennings: Moves from one shit team to another 00-Cole Custer 02-Tyler Young 05-John Wes Townley 07-Ray Black Jr. 08-Mason Mingus: Likely isn't going to get a better opportunity than this 09-Joey Logano/Brad Keselowski/Austin Theriault: Third BKR truck that runs most/all of the schedule; Theriault runs the majority of the races 1-Travis Kvapil 5-Dalton Sargeant (part-time) 6-Norm Benning 8-John Hunter Nemechek 9-William Byron 10-Jennifer Jo Cobb 11-Ben Kennedy 13-Gray Gaulding: Having lots of money helps 14-Rico Abreu: Insert joke about Abreu making a "short step up" here 15-Chad Boat: Billy Boat Motorsports finally pools the funds to give Billy's kid a full-time shot 19-Daniel Hemric 22-Austin Wayne Self 23-Spencer Gallagher 29-Tyler Reddick 31-James Buescher: NTS Motorsports gets the funding to put James in a second Truck full-time 33-Johnny Sauter 51-Kyle Busch/Daniel Suarez/Cody Coughlin 54-Christopher Bell 58-Kyle Weatherman: Attempting to secure sponsorship for a full season run in 2016 59-David Levine: See above 63-Bobby Pierce (part-time; short tracks/Eldora) 74-Jordan Anderson 88-Matt Crafton 94-Timmy Hill: Runs a full season for Premium in Trucks 97-Jesse Little: Family owned team goes full-time 98-Regan Smith: Rumored that he is going to a "championship-caliber" Truck team; this is the only team that makes sense In-depth season predictions to come soon. 1155. Sector posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This package was a lot like the Xfinity series' cars, wasn't it? I think it's fitting that Kyle Busch won the championship, after all he dominates that series left and right. 1156. Scott B posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I agree with Brian Scott being the most likely candidate for the #9. He brings some sponsorship, and while at the top of the prospect list, has shown enough improvement that he won't be totally out of place. Better him than Ryan Reed or Dakota Armstrong, the other names that have popped up that have money attached. Chris Buescher. if he runs any Cup races, I would think would use the #99. Haven't heard anything about the #8, I would think if something happens it would be part time with one of Junior's Xfinity drivers filling in? Haven't heard much about the field-filler teams, other than DiBenedetto expects to return to BK. That makes sense, he's exceeded expectations there. David Ragan could bump one of those marginal drivers, too, though Xfinity or Trucks is a possibility for him... I think he may end up in a bad Cup ride. 1157. Scott B posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really think part of the strategy with the #9 team is just to maintain a full time presence in Cup, so RPM will be a two car operation if a franchising deal becomes reality after this season. That may have been a factor in the decision to put Ryan Blaney in the Wood Brothers car full time, instead of splitting him between that ride and a third Penske car. Of course, it also helps with owners points in case of a qualifying rainout, which gave the #21 problems a few times in 2015. 1158. murb posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dale Jr. had a recent tweet where he foreshadowed an Xfinity driver moving to Cup this year driving the #8 car" I saw that too, and my guess would probably be Ty Dillon (considering that both #3 and #41, both numbers Ty has used most often, are taken in Cup). I hope not though, because I really want John Hunter Nemechek to continue to run #8 once he (hopefully) makes it to Cup. 1159. murb posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm also writing up my 2016 race-by-race/Chase predictions today, so I'll probably post them sometime later in the week (or whenever I get a free chance). 1160. Scott B posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^^^1156^^^ meant to say, "while NOT a the top of the prospect list"... I see him as maybe a Paul Menard type. Ride buyer at first, but with enough talent to stick around. Not a Kevin Conway deal, where he'll fall off the face of the Earth. 1161. joey2448 posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) TV ratings for this race were huge, on the scale of a 4.4 overnight rating on NBC, the third-highest for a race in 2015 (only behind the Daytona 500 and Atlanta in March). It's up 52 percent from last year (2.9) and 63 percent from 2013 (2.7), both of which aired on ESPN. The only Homestead races that rated higher were 2004, 2005 (5.6) and 2002 (4.5). Of course, a lot of that was due to the race being Jeff Gordon's final start, plus the rain delay pushing the end of the race into a primetime slot. 1162. 88&4Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well if Chad Johnston is replacing Chris Heroy I may have to think twice about Larson having a breakout season next year. I wonder whose idiotic decision that was? 1163. 88&4Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:35 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I think I speak for pretty much everyone when I say that the only good thing about this season is the fact that its over now. In my nearly ten years of watching NASCAR, this was without a doubt the worst one, and the first time that I have seriously questioned my NASCAR fandom. And no, I'm not just saying this because Kyle Busch won the championship. That's definitely part of it, but between the awful racing, more blatantly obvious debris cautions than ever before, Gibbs, Penske, and Hendrick/SHR winning all but ONE race, and a chase filled with all sorts of controversy and gimmicks from Johnson vs. Harvick to Kenseth vs. Logano to the Talladega fustercluck to Gordon trolling his way to the final four to Kyle Busch being the eventual champion, this was just a really awful season. I can only hope that things get better next year (and if the Kentucky/Darlington package is anything to go by, there is some hope), because if they don't, NASCAR may be on its way to losing a young, potential lifelong fan. I really hope that doesn't end up being the case. 1164. The Long Shot posted: 11.23.2015 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I saw that too, and my guess would probably be Ty Dillon (considering that both #3 and #41, both numbers Ty has used most often, are taken in Cup). I hope not though, because I really want John Hunter Nemechek to continue to run #8 once he (hopefully) makes it to Cup." Would make sense, for sure. I guess he didn't specifically say it was going to be for the 2016 season, so that's certainly a possibility (Ty's been confirmed to return to Xfinity next year, I think). I'm with you on the Nemechek thing, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in the #87, either, since it looks like his dad is all but done with NASCAR racing. I may make a "look into the future" type of post at some point, where I predict what the Cup landscape will look like in a decade or so. I'd be very surprised if JHN doesn't make it into Cup; he's got a chance to win a number of Truck races and create some buzz for himself come next year. I think he has a real shot at getting a deal with Hendrick at some point, considering how weak their developmental crop is currently (it does look like they're going to give Alex Bowman a decent shot at least, though, so that's something). 1165. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 11.23.2015 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1161, do they have an hour by hour rating? I'm sure the 4,5,and 6pm hours were well under the 7pm when people tuned in for SNF by habit. 1166. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I thought of a scenario for Buescher in Cup. Obviously Jack Roush has said that Buescher is already Cup ready, and that he wants to move him up as soon as possible. Trevor Bayne had his first full time season and probably underperformed expectations. Anyways, after running Roush Performance on the car for several races, AdvoCare sponsored 6 of the last 10 races for Buescher, who is now fresh off of a title. Do you think AdvoCare could dump Bayne and sponsor Buescher in Cup next year? Don't get me wrong, I do not want that to happen at all, but it could it be a possibility? 1167. Anonymous posted: 11.23.2015 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Of course, a lot of that was due to the race being Jeff Gordon's final start, plus the rain delay pushing the end of the race into a primetime slot." You're delusional if you think millions of casual fans tuned in to watch the race on account of it being Gordon's last start. The bump was most likely due to 1) running over into the Football Night in America time block, and a distant 2) manufactured drama. 1168. TheHardTooth2216 posted: 11.23.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wasn't TriStar supposed to make a cup run in the #8 with Ingersoll Rand as the sponsor if Blake Koch impressed them enough at the Bristol Night NXS race? 1169. MAR posted: 11.23.2015 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My 2016 Sprint Cup driver chart predictions i did mines by teams not by number order. #1 Jamie McMurray (Ganassi) #42 Kyle Larson (Ganassi) #2 Brad K (Penske) #22 Joey Logano (Penske) #3 Austin Dillon (RCR) #27 Paul Menard (RCR) #31 Ryan Newman (RCR) #4 Kevin Harvick (SHR) #10 Danica (SHR) #14 Tony Stewart (SHR) #41 Kurt Busch (SHR) #5 Kasey Kahne (Hendrick) #24 Chase Elliot (R) (Hendrick) #48 Jimmie Johnson (Hendrick) #88 Dale JR (Hendrick) #6 Trevor Bayne (RFR) #16 Greg Biffle (RFR) Currently Unsponsored #17 Ricky Stenhouse (RFR) #99 Chris Buescher (RFR) Part Time 7 Races #7 Alex Bowman (TBR) #77 Ryan Preece (R)(TBR) New 2nd team purchases the remains of MWR Equipment #9 Brian Scott (R) (RPM) #43 Aric Almirola (RPM) #11 Denny Hamlin (JGR) #18 Kyle Busch (JGR) #19 Carl Edwards (JGR) #20 Matt Kenseth (JGR) #54 Erik Jones (R) (JGR) Part Time 5-7 races #13 Casey Mears (Germain) #21 Ryan Blaney (R) (Wood Brothers) #23 Josh Wise (BK) #26 Reed Sorenson (BK) #83 Matt DiBenedetto (BK) #32 Bobby Labonte, Jeffrey Earnhardt (R) (Go Fas Racing) #33 TY Dillon, (RCR/Circle Sport) going by 2015 anybody could run races for circle sport #40 Landon Cassill (Hillman/Circle Sport) IM Dying for the day he gets the ride he deserves #34 Brett M (Front Row) #35 David Gilliland (Front Row) part time since there downsizing. #38 Cole Whitt (Front Row) #46 Michael Annett (H Scott) #51 Clint Bowyer (SHR/H Scott) #47 A.J (JTG) #78 Martin Truex Jr (Furniture Row) #95 Michael McDowell (LFR) Moves to Full Time #98 Michael Waltrip (daytona) Timmy Hill (Premium) Long shot Options #94 (Premium) 2nd Team #30 (The Motorsports Group) #29 (RAB Racing) Xfinity Chart coming in the near weeks Truck chart also in a few weeks. 1170. murb posted: 11.23.2015 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think they'll just do Buescher full time in NXS again next year along with a part time Cup deal (either in a fourth car or maybe with Front Row again - sadly I don't think there's all that much of a difference there anyway), and then in 2017 he'll move up to whichever one of the #6, #16, or #17 opens up (I'm guessing it'll be either the #16 or #17 - since Roush has given Stenhouse 3-4 years in Cup already, I'd be surprised if he dumped Bayne after only two, even though he probably should since Bayne clearly looks like he'll be a career backmarker). 1171. Tide1032 posted: 11.23.2015 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My 2016 NASCAR Predctions Cup: 1-Jamie McMurray 2-Brad Keselowski 3-Austin Dillon 4-Kevin Harvick 5-Kasey Kahne 6-Trevor Bayne 7-Alex Bowman 8-Chris Buescher 9- J.J Yeley 10-Danica Patrick 11-Denny Hamlin 13-Casey Mears 14-Tony Stewart 16-Greg Biffle 17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 18-Kyle Busch 19-Carl Edwards 20-Matt Kenseth 21-Ryan Blaney 22-Joey Logano 23-Josh Wise 24-Chase Elliott 27-Paul Menard 28- John Wes Tonwley (#28 To Back a Sprint Cup Ride?) 31-Ryan Newman 32-Jeffrey Earnhardt/Bobby Labonte/Korbin Forrister 33-Cole Whitt/Ty Dillon 34-Brett Moffitt 35 - David Ragan (Possible FRM Driver to Change a Number) 36 - Regan Smith (TBR To Backing to use the #36?) 38-David Gilliland 40-Landon Cassill 41-Kurt Busch 42-Kyle Larson 43-Aric Almirola 46-Michael Annett 47-A.J. Allmendinger 48-Jimmie Johnson 51-Clint Bowyer 62 - Justin Allgaier/Reed Sorenson (Another Part-Time for Allgaier) 78-Martin Truex Jr. 81 - Erik Jones (Part-Time, JGR Base Driver) 83-Matt DiBenedetto 87 - Joe Nemechek (Possible Makes 2 Final carrer races in this number in 2016 Season) 88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 98-Michael Waltrip/Timmy Hill 1172. Tyler posted: 11.23.2015 - 7:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) These silly season predictions are RIDICULOUS! First off there's no way Roush goes to a 4th car next year and Buescher will do a full year of Xfinity most likely. I say Regan Smith will be in the 9. Wise in the 23 would be nice, but he brings no sponsors so they'll keep Jeb. JWT in Cup?! That's worse than the Cope sisters! Finally, no way Ragan goes back to Front Row, I say he'll be driving a Thorsport truck next year. Other than that, these are good predictions. 1173. MAR posted: 11.23.2015 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) the @1171 did you seriously put J.J Yeley in #9 and who exactly is the owner of the #28 that's supposed to field a car for John Wes Townley???? 1174. Tyson posted: 11.23.2015 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) You guys all have terrible predictions... They are just way out there and unlikely. 1175. An Ordinary Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) You should make an offseason discussion thread so that this comments section does not go crazy with unrelated stuff. 1176. The Long Shot posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "You should make an offseason discussion thread so that this comments section does not go crazy with unrelated stuff." This happens every year. It isn't going to change now. "You guys all have terrible predictions... They are just way out there and unlikely." I think John Wes Townley going to Cup and J.J. Yeley going to the #9 are kind of out there, but I don't think any of my predictions are "way out there" by any means. 1177. Driver X posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My Predictions for 2016: Cup: 02- Erik Jones (7 race part-time schedule) 1- Jamie McMurray 2- Brad Keselowski 3- Austin Dillon 4- Kevin Harvick 5- Kasey Kahne 6- Trevor Bayne 7- Alex Bowman 9- Brian Scott 10- Danica Patrick 11- Denny Hamlin 13- Casey Mears 14- Tony Stewart 16- Greg Biffle 17- Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 18- Kyle Busch 19- Carl Edwards 20- Matt Kenseth 21- Ryan Blaney (ROY contender) 22- Joey Logano 23- Jeb Burton 24- Chase Elliott 25- Ben Rhodes (for like 2 or 3 races. This sounds REALLY ridiculous, but something tells me this will happen for some reason.) 26- JJ Yeley 27- Paul Menard 29- Milka Duno/Justin Marks (RAB will miss A LOT of races, though) 31- Ryan Newman 32- Jeffrey Earnhardt/Joey Gase/Bobby Labonte/Boris Said (road courses) 33- Ty Dillon/Brian Scott (RCR) 16-18 races, Derek White/Reed Sorenson/Timmy Hill (Circle-Sport) 34- Brett Moffitt 35- Cole Whitt 37- Ryan Reed (part time, and brings sponsorship) 38- David Gilliland 40- Landon Cassill 41- Kurt Busch 42- Kyle Larson 43- Aric Almirola 46- Michael Annett 47- AJ Allmendinger 48- Jimmie Johnson 51- Clint Bowyer 62- Justin Allgaier/Timmy Hill/Harrison Rhodes/Ryan Sieg (Premium) Brian Scott (RCR) 78- Martin Truex Jr. 81- Daniel Suarez (for 2 races at the end of the year) 83- Matt Dibenedetto 88- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 95- Michael McDowell (team goes full time) 98- Ryan Preece (ROY contender) 99- Chris Buescher/Darrell Wallace Jr. (5 races for each) WAY too early prediction: 87- John Hunter Nemechek (part-time for 7 races in 2017) Will do Xfinity predictions on Friday. 1178. Eric B. posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) My 2015 Season predictions 1 Jamie McMurray 2 1179. Eric B. posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Damn. comment was posted when wasn't ready. lets try this again 2016 NASCAR Sprint Cup Predictions 1- McMurray 2- Brad 3- Dillon 4- Harvick 5- Kahne 6- Bayne 7- Bowman 9- 10- Patrick 11- Hamlin 13- Mears 14- Stewart 16- Biffle 17- Stenhouse 18- Busch 19- Edwards 20- Kenseth 21- Blaney 22- Logano 23- Yeley 24- Elliott 26- Armstrong (Brings Winfield sponsorship. I could really see that happening) 27- Menard 30- Green (TMG Part time in 2016 possibly?) 31- Newman 32- Bobby and Earnhardt 33- Ty and Alex Kennedy and Josh Wise 34- Moffitt 38- Gilliland 39- Kvapil (2nd Hillman Car part time) 40- Cassill 41- Kurt 42- Larson 43- Almirola 46- Annett 47- AJ 48- Johnson 51- Bowyer 54- Erik Jones (Part time) 62- Timmy, Reed, and Harrison Rhodes 78- Truex 83- DiBenedetto 88- JR 95- McDowell 98- Whitt (with Speed Stick Gear) 1180. murb posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "25- Ben Rhodes (for like 2 or 3 races. This sounds REALLY ridiculous, but something tells me this will happen for some reason.)" He's not returning to JRM, so I highly doubt he'll get a part time Hendrick Cup ride. 1181. 88&4Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My silly season predictions for next year: * = ROTY contender Full Time Teams: 1- Jamie McMurray 2- Brad Keselowski 3- Austin Dillon 4- Kevin Harvick 5- Kasey Kahne 6- Trevor Bayne 7- Alex Bowman 8- Ty Dillon* 9- Brian Scott* 10- Danica Patrick 11- Denny Hamlin 13- Casey Mears 14- Tony Stewart 15 (was 46)- Clint Bowyer 16- Greg Biffle 17- Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. 18- Kyle Busch 19- Carl Edwards 20- Matt Kenseth 21- Ryan Blaney* 22- Joey Logano 23- Josh Wise 24- Chase Elliott* 26- Parker Kligerman* (I guess he'd still be eligible for ROTY) 27- Paul Menard 31- Ryan Newman 32- Jeffrey Earnhardt* and Bobby Labonte (Plate Races) 33- Brandon Jones (5-7 races for RCR), Travis Kvapil, JJ Yeley, Reed Sorenson, and Alex Kennedy (Road Courses) for Circle Sport 34- Brett Moffitt 35- Cole Whitt 38- David Gilliland 40- Landon Cassill 41- Kurt Busch 42- Kyle Larson 43- Aric Almirola 47- AJ Allmendinger 51- Michael Annett 78- Martin Truex, Jr. 83- Matt DiBenedetto 88- Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 98- Timmy Hill, Reed Sorenson, and TJ Bell Part Time Teams 02- Erik Jones (5-10 races) 36- Ryan Preece (Up to ten races) 55- Michael Waltrip (Daytona 500) 62- Timmy Hill and Reed Sorenson (Team starts out planning to run the full season but shuts down after a few races to focus on the #98, I'm actually surprised they made it the full season this year) 95- Michael McDowell (21-25 races) 1182. Anonymous posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't see Robinson keeping the number 62 if he is back next year 1183. Sarf52 posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Silly Season Predictions 1 McMurray 2 Keselowski 3 Dillon 4 Harvick 5 Kahne 6 T Bayne 7 Bowman 9 Regan Smith 10 Danica 11 Hamlin 13 Mears 14 Stewart 15 Sorenson/Yeley/Kvapil (new part time team) 16 Biffle 17 Stenhouse (Buescher later in season) 18 Kyle Busch 19 Edwards 20 Kenseth 21 Blaney 22 Logano 23 Cameron Hayley 24 Elliott 27 Menard 30 Bliss/Green/Wise (part time) 31 Newman 32 Earnhardt/Labonte/Gase/Ray Black Jr 33 Ty Dillon/Brian Scott (RCR runs car 25+ races, misc Circle Sport drivers to round out schedule) 34 Whitt 35 Buescher (part time) 36 Preece/Allgaier (part time) 38 Gilliland 40 Cassill 41 Larson 43 Almirola 45 Armstrong/Truex? (part time) 46 Annett (possible renumber) 47 Allmendinger 48 Johnson 51 Bowyer 60 Buescher/D. Wallace (part time) (99?) 66 Jay Robinson Misc. Drivers 78 Truex Jr. 81 E. Jones (part time) 88 Earnhardt Jr. 95 McDowell 98 Preece/Starr/Sorenson/Hill 1184. Sarf52 posted: 11.23.2015 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Missed Dibenedetto 83 1185. MAR posted: 11.23.2015 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I feel my chart predictions are close to reality I don't have any head scratchers. 1186. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.23.2015 - 9:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @1178 Actually that's an accurate driver lineup for 2020, the way NASCAR's going. 1187. 88&4Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Truck Series Team Chart Predictions: * = ROTY Contender Full Time Teams: 00- Cole Custer 02- Tyler Young 07- Ray Black, Jr. 08- BJ McLeod and Ruben Pardo 5- Dalton Sargeant* 6- Norm Benning 8- John Hunter Nemechek 9- William Byron* 10- Jennifer Jo Cobb 11- Ben Kennedy 13- Cameron Hayley 14- Gray Gaulding* 15- Mason Mingus and Chad Boat 17- Timothy Peters 19- Daniel Hemric 23- Spencer Gallagher 24- Brennan Newberry 29- Tyler Reddick 31- Rico Abreu* 32- JJ Haley* 33- Johnny Sauter 50- Travis Kvapil 51- Kyle Busch, Daniel Suarez, and Cody Coughlin 54- Christopher Bell* 58- Kyle Weatherman* 59- David Levine* 63- Justin Jennings, Tyler Tanner, Bobby Pierce, and Garrett Smithley 74- Jordan Anderson 88- Matt Crafton 94- Timmy Hill 98- Regan Smith* (Since Johnny Sauter was able to run for ROTY...) Part Time Teams: 0- Chris Lafferty, Danny Efland, and TJ Bell 03- Michael Affarano 05- John Wes Townley 1- Donnie Neuenberger and Stanton Barrett 2- Brad Keselowski, Joey Logano, and Ryan Blaney 25- Matt Tifft 36- Justin Jennings 40- Todd Peck 57- Adam Edwards 75- Caleb Holman 84- Chris Fontaine 92- Cale Conley 97- Jesse Little 1188. 88&4Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) XFINITY Series Team Chart Predictions: * = ROTY Contender 01- Michael Self* 1 (Was 9)- Elliott Sadler 2- Brandon Jones* 4- Ross Chastain 6- Darrell Wallace, Jr. 7- Justin Allgaier 8- Blake Koch 10- Jeff Green 14- Mike Bliss 15- Carlos Contreras, Ray Black, Jr., Mason Mingus, and Charles Lewandowski 16- Ryan Reed 18- Daniel Suarez 19- Ryan Ellis 20- Erik Jones* 22- Brad Keselowski, Joey Logano, Ryan Blaney, Tyler Reddick, and Alex Tagliani (Road Courses) 25- John Wes Townley 28- JJ Yeley 33- Austin Dillon, Ty Dillon, Paul Menard, Matt Crafton, and Spencer Gallagher 39- Ryan Sieg 40- Josh Reaume, Derek White, and Carl Long 42- Kyle Larson, Brennan Poole, and Justin Marks 43- David Ragan 44- David Starr 51- Jeremy Clements 52- Joey Gase 54- Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin, Matt Kenseth, and Christopher Bell 60- Chris Buescher 62- Brendan Gaughan 70- Derrike Cope 74- Mike Harmon 88- Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Kevin Harvick, Chase Elliott, Kasey Kahne, and Alex Bowman 89- Morgan Shepherd 90- Martin Roy* 97- Dylan Kwasniewski and Mason Mingus Part Time Teams: 13- Josh Reaume, Derek White, and Carl Long (Shuts down after a few races and to keep the #40 running) 24- Eric McClure 26- TJ Bell and Timmy Hill 29- Jeb Burton 55- Brandon Gdovic 98- Aric Almirola, Ryan Truex, Corey LaJoie, and Brian Scott 1189. 88&4Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I know the comparison the people trying to defend this will make. something like whats the difference between Kyle winning the title and a NFL team winning the Super Bowl after their star QB missed a 1/3 of the season. To that I say that is why there is an OWNERS CHAMPIONSHIP in NASCAR. Kyle winning that for the 18 team would be the equivalent of the star QB coming back and leading them to the Super Bowl. What Kyle did would be like if a NFL just didn't play the first 5 games of the year, then they came back and only won 6 of their remaining games giving them a 6-10 record and the NFL inviting them to the playoffs even though they were the 25th best team in the league." This. Thank you. Exactly what I've been trying to say for months. 1190. 88&4Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Oh and one last thing, to the troll who keeps using my name: (137, 817, 865) I have a very good idea who you are and if this continues, I will personally ask the Webmaster to ban you from this website. Got it? Good. 1191. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I think 1182 is right. The 62 was used because that is Brendan Gaughan's signature number. After he left, I think Robinson will change the number 49, as that was the number he used in his Busch/Nationwide days. 1192. JHN#8 posted: 11.23.2015 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Read a few places the 9 is for Brian Scott. Step up from Hornish.. Then again, just about anyone is..just as long as it isn't Dakoda Armstrong, which would shock me if he does get it.. Something tells me Ryan Ellis will end up in a BK car. I love Ryan, but hope to hell he doesn't do that.. FRM is hard to decide on. Wouldn't think they'd get rid of Whitt or Moffit, but idk. Gilly might go PT to help Todd out. Hoping Ragan can get the 43 or 98 or a car similar in XFinity. Would be best for him. But something tells me he'll end up in a Toyota somewhere, somewhere like a Tristar or JGL type car. Wouldn't be the worst team.. I see Wise ending up in a BK car, possibly the 23. Jeb will go back to Trucks. If JHN does get any starts in XFinity, it won't be for NEMCO. SWM/NEMCO has no plans of it. Sponsorship could change that. Would love to see him in a JRM car, but he needs $$ for that. But I mainly want him to focus on trucks. With some more $$, could compete for a top 3 in points. 1193. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.23.2015 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Because I feel like it: Geff Jordon Hevin Karvick Burt Kusch Byle Kusch Katt Menseth Henny Damlin Earl Cdwards Eale Darnhardt, Jr. Tartin Mruex, Jr. Mamie JcMurray Lyle Karson Maul Penard Blint Cowyer Nyan Rewman Loey Jogano Krad Beselowski Dustin Aillon Vrian Bickers Breg Giffle Masey Cears Panica Datrick Ham Sornish, Jr, Sony Ttewart Brevor Tayne Sicky Rtenhouse, Jr. Ravid Dagan Mrett Boffitt Gavid Dilliland Beb Jurton Candon Lassil Austin Jllgaier Aichael Mnett Wichael Maltrip Datt MiBenedetto Blex Aowman A.J. Allmendinger Jimmie Johnson Kasey Kahne Michael McDowell 1194. joey2448 posted: 11.24.2015 - 12:27 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "JWT in Cup?! That's worse than the Cope sisters!" Sorry, but the Cope sisters have never come close to sniffing the front of the field. Townley, as crash-prone as he has been in his short career, has at least run up front up times, and let's not forget he is a NASCAR winner (even if by fuel mileage). 1195. Ryan W posted: 11.24.2015 - 12:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Any chance of Chase changes? 1196. 88&4Fan posted: 11.24.2015 - 1:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Doubt it... 1197. JHN#8 posted: 11.24.2015 - 1:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Driver Ratings for 2015 Kevin Harvick 2 119.0 Kyle Busch 1 108.2 Joey Logano 6 106.5 Kurt Busch 8 104.2 Brad Keselowski 7 101.7 Martin Truex Jr 4 99.7 Jimmie Johnson 10 99.3 Matt Kenseth 15 99.1 Dale EarnhardtJr12 97.1 Carl Edwards 5 95.7 Denny Hamlin 9 95.3 Jeff Gordon 3 92.7 Kyle Larson 19 86.4 Jamie McMurray 13 84.4 Kasey Kahne 18 82.8 Ryan Newman 11 80.8 Paul Menard 14 76.4 Clint Bowyer 16 75.0 Austin Dillon 21 73.9 Aric Almirola 17 73.0 Greg Biffle 20 68.3 David Ragan 27 68.0 Tony Stewart 28 67.0 AJ Allmendinger 22 66.0 Danica Patrick 24 63.2 Ricky Stenhouse 25 62.4 Casey Mears 23 61.6 Sam Hornish Jr 26 58.8 Justin Allgaier 30 57.0 Trevor Bayne 29 56.5 Landon Cassill 55 47.5 David Gilliland 32 45.5 Cole Whitt 31 45.2 Alex Bowman 33 44.0 Brett Moffitt 34 42.9 Michael Annett 36 41.3 Matt DiBenedetto35 39.5 J.J. Yeley 57 35.2 Jeb Burton 38 31.7 Biggest difference were with Kyle Larson (6 spots higher than real point position), David Ragan, and Tony Stewart (both 5 higher). Kenseth was much high, but that was part due to suspension. Jeff Goron (9 spots lower than points) and Edwards (5 spots lower) were both beneficalers of the Chase. There was not really THAT big of a difference in the ratings between all the Hendrick team, though Kasey was easily off the other. Though it wasn't AS bad as many say if was. All 3 RCR weren't that far off from each other. Larson/Jamie Mac were very close to each others. Bowyer/Ragan really weren't that far apart either TBH. Pretty much most teams seemed to be close, with the obvious exception of SHR. RPM's two were quite a bit off as well. 1198. RWR posted: 11.24.2015 - 2:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) My 2016 Cup driver chart: 1 Mcmurray 2 Brad Keselowski 3 A. Dillon 4 Harvick 5 Kahne 6 Bayne 7 Bowman 8?: ?? Tristar Motorsports car, they apparently planned some races for 2016 9: Multiple drivers: Ragan? Armstrong? 10: Patrick 11: D. Hamlin 13 Mears 14 Stewart 16 Biffle 17 Stenhouse Jr 18 Ky Busch 19 Edwards 20 Kenseth 21 R. Blaney 22 Logano 23 Dibenedetto 24 C. Elliott 26?: ?? team closed? 27 Menard 30?: ?? 21: Newman 32 B. Labonte & J. Earnhard 33: Ty Dillon for RCR, CS: free driver and pay driver 34: Whitt 38: Gilliland 40: Cassill 41 Ku Busch 42 Larson 43 Almirola 46 Annett 47 Allmendinger 48 Johnson 49?: Jay Robinson car ? 51 Bowyer ? 54?: Erik Jones? 3-4 races with JGR-KBM? 55: Waltrip, big news, Michael would return for the Daytona 500 just for the fun 59?: possible 2nd JTG car who run only in Daytona/Talladega? 62? Premium Motorsports? Pay driver #1, pay driver #2, if they attempt for Daytona or whateaver events, it would be great. 78 Truex Jr. 83: experimented driver 88 Earnhardt Jr 95 Mcdowell 98?; shared with different teams, experimented driver? pay driver? young recycling? 99?, C. Buescher? 5 races? ??: ?? former 15 MWR car who will buy by an Xfinity team (Vision racing? They planned a comeback hahaha) ??: ?? second Furniture Row Racing car 1199. Anonymous posted: 11.24.2015 - 6:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I know the comparison the people trying to defend this will make. something like whats the difference between Kyle winning the title and a NFL team winning the Super Bowl after their star QB missed a 1/3 of the season. To that I say that is why there is an OWNERS CHAMPIONSHIP in NASCAR. Kyle winning that for the 18 team would be the equivalent of the star QB coming back and leading them to the Super Bowl. What Kyle did would be like if a NFL just didn't play the first 5 games of the year, then they came back and only won 6 of their remaining games giving them a 6-10 record and the NFL inviting them to the playoffs even though they were the 25th best team in the league." 7-9 teams have made the playoffs so it isn't that far off. 1200. Captain51 posted: 11.24.2015 - 7:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'll be honest here and say that some of these posts with the 2016 driver line ups are out of left field. I decided to make my own that I feel reflects the posts that I have seen on various sites as well as various social media accounts. By Team: Chip Ganassi Racing 1- Jamie McMurray 42- Kyle Larson Team Penske 2- Brad Keselowski 22- Joey Logano Richard Childress Racing 3- Austin Dillon 27- Paul Menard 31- Ryan Newman {8}- Ty Dillon (I'm just going to leave this here. Dale Jr was asked on Twitter whether he would run the #8 again, to which he said no. But he did say that he "heard a rumor that the #8 might be coming back very soon if a certain young [Xfinity] driver goes Cup." I can't but think that this would be Ty Dillon) Stewart-Haas Racing 4- Kevin Harvick 10- Danica Patrick 14- Tony Stewart 41- Kurt Busch Hendrick Motorsports 5- Kasey Kahne 24- Chase Elliott* 48- Jimmie Johnson 88- Dale Earnhardt Jr Roush Fenway Racing 6- Trevor Bayne 16- Greg Biffle 17- Ricky Stenhouse Jr X- Chris Buescher (I don't see him going to replace Stenhouse as I've seen in other posts, nor Bayne for that matter. At this point there's no telling how many races this could be for, if any at all. I just feel like if Buescher is going to run any races in the Cup series next year, it'll be out of the Roush-Fenway camp) Tommy Baldwin Racing 7- Alex Bowman Richard Petty Motorsports 9- Brian Scott (he's got a good bit of sponsorship from Shore Lodge. This could be the deciding factor with who gets the nod for the #9. I do believe that he'd be a good fit for the team. He wasn't the best driver in the Xfinity series, but I feel like he wouldn't be too bad in Cup with the #9 team.) 43- Aric Almirola Joe Gibbs Racing 11- Denny Hamlin 18- Kyle Busch 19- Carl Edwards 20- Matt Kenseth 02/54/81- Erik Jones (these are just the other numbers that Gibbs has used in the past) Germain Racing 13- Casey Mears Wood Brothers Racing 21- Ryan Blaney* BK Racing 23- JJ Yeley (he didn't light the world on fire, but he kept his nose clean and brought the car back in one piece. This is the driver that I feel like BK racing could use) 83- Matt DiBenedetto (My reasonings are similar to that of Yeley. DiBenedetto is a young guy and I could see his talent with the finishes that he had) Front Row Motorsports (announced they would run 2 cars) 34- Cole Whitt 38- David Gilliland Circle Sport 33- TBD (I've got nothing here. With my projections of Brian Scott to the #9 car and Ty Dillon to RCR. This ride could essentially be anybodys. A possibility that I could see would be the #33 running part time to anyone that buys a ride, while the #40 works on their alliance to Childress as the 13 and 47 have done) 40- Landon Cassill (he can drive, but unfortunately the only way I could see him getting a better ride would be dropping down) Go Green Racing 32- Jeffrey Earnhardt most of the season with Bobby Labonte running the restrictor plate races. Possibly Boris Said running the road courses (I'll keep my comments to myself on Boris Said) H-Scott 46- Michael Annett (he's got sponsorship. That's all that I got. NEXT!) 51- Clint Bowyer (Number could change, but I don't think the number matters that much in this case. I could be mistaken but I do think that most of his MWR sponsors will go with him) Premium Motorsports X- Timmy Hill (he does what he's asked by the team. And I feel like his loyalty will be rewarded. I put the X as I believe that this team will be renumbered from the 62) 98- TBD (Unsure if they will run two cars. If they run the second car, I'd expect to see guys like Ryan Preece and Reed Sorenson in the car) Furniture Row Racing 78- Martin Truex Jr *I'm just going to say it. They now have the alliance with Joe Gibbs Racing. The team is wanting to run a second team when the time is right. I feel like Erik Jones coming to the Cup series would mean the time is right. Leavine Family Racing (Part-Time) 95- Michael McDowell Other Drivers: David Ragan Regan Smith Brett Moffit Josh Wise Sam Hornish Jr I made this "line-up" based off of what I've heard and what I believe. As far as the 5 drivers listed at the end, I believe that they are all great drivers in their own right. Sadly, I didn't have a spot for them in what I think the teams will look like in 2016. I saw the idea from another user to do the same for Xfinity and Truck series, but I was going to hold off on doing it for those series. There are too many unknowns at this point 1201. Captain51 posted: 11.24.2015 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) What a driver has to do in order to win a title is known when the green flag waves in Daytona. I have no problem with how the championship turned out. Kyle Busch did exactly what he was supposed to do in order to win the title. Kyle Busch won this title whether people like it or not because he did exactly what he was supposed to do. I'm by no means a Kyle Busch fan as a racer, but I'm a pretty big fan of Kyle Busch as a man. After he had his accident in Daytona, he used his unborn son as motivation to work through rehab so that he could be standing with this wife when their son was born. I've seen an absolute overhaul with Kyle Busch in his attitude and I feel like he was rewarded this year for sure: a Truck series Driver championship as an owner, a Truck Series Owner's championship, a Spring Cup series championship, and most importantly, a baby boy. 1202. Tide1032 posted: 11.24.2015 - 9:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Other driver to for my prediction to Half-Season in 2016 is. #30 Travis Kvapil and #95 Michael McDowell 1203. Anonymous posted: 11.24.2015 - 10:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1188 Your list is already missing something, there was a render shown of the 5, to be driven by Kasey Kahne 1204. JGFan24Ever posted: 11.24.2015 - 10:27 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Predictions: 1- Jamie McMurray 2- Brad Keselowski 3- Austin Dillon 4- Kevin Harvick 5- Kasey Kahne 6- Trevor Bayne 7- Alex Bowman 9- Brian Scott 10- Danica Patrick 11- Denny Hamlin 13- Casey Mears 14- Tony Stewart 16- Greg Biffle 17- Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 18- Kyle Busch 19- Carl Edwards 20- Matt Kenseth 21- Ryan Blaney 22- Joey Logano 24- Chase Elliott 26- JJ Yeley 27- Paul Menard 31- Ryan Newman 32- Jeffrey Earnhardt/Bobby Labonte 33- Ty Dillon/A variety of other drivers 34- Cole Whitt (sponsorship prevails over Moffitt; Moffitt moves to a lower series) 38- David Gilliland 40- Landon Cassill 41- Kurt Busch 42- Kyle Larson 43- Aric Almirola 46- Michael Annett 47- AJ Allmendinger 48- Jimmie Johnson 51- Clint Bowyer 55 (team formed from the remains of MWR)- Jeb Burton 62- Timmy Hill/Reed Sorenson 78- Martin Truex Jr. 83- Matt Dibenedetto 87- Erik Jones (FRR car for 7 races; prepared by JGR) 88- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 95- Michael McDowell 98- Timmy Hill/Reed Sorenson/Michael Waltrip (Daytona 500) 99- Chris Buescher (Roush car for 7 races) 1205. Smiff_2 posted: 11.24.2015 - 11:08 am Rate this comment: (4) (2) No offense, guys, but some of these silly season predictions are totally pointless and dumb lol. If you wanna predict CHANGES, sure, by all means...go for it! But, most of you are repeating already-known driver lineups. Obviously everybody under the sun knows McMurray's gonna be in the 1, Brad in 2, Dillon in the 3.....stick to the shit that may *actually* change. What's the point of rehashing the already known stuff? Seems wholly unnecessary/ridiculously superfluous. Not trying to step on toes or anything, just making an observation. 1206. Spen posted: 11.24.2015 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chad: Thank you very much! Not too many champs that weren't given titles under various other systems, but there were a few. Petty picks up '76, Mark wins '89 (that one shocked me) and Marlin gets '95. But the ones that really make things interesting are '82 and '12. With Bobby winning '82, that leaves '77 and '98 as the only "unanimous" titles. And adding Biffle in 2012 gives that season six potential winners, more than any other season. One thing I am wondering about, though. Some time back, someone ran 1992 under he 72-73 system, and came up with Harry Gant as the champ. I wonder why their calculations disagree with yours. By the way, my own F1 point calculations disagreed with the reddit project's on one occasion: for 1999, by my reckoning, Bobby Labonte beat Jarrett by 1 and a half points. Perhaps reddit didn't account for the "half points for races under 75% completed" rule. 1207. Tide1032 posted: 11.24.2015 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) My 8 Sprint Cup Series Free Agent drivers (Reserve drivers) for 2016 1 David Stremme (Third Driver to #33)? 2 Jeb Burton 3 Justin Marks 4 Tyler Reddick (Another #32 Car Driver to run 1 Race, Possible Run to #87 For FRR In 2017) 5 Kyle Fowler 6 Cole Whitt 7 Brendan Gaughan 8 Jeff Green (Short Tracks Only, #30) 9 David Reutimann 10 Mark Martin (Former Cup Driver, Can to Make a Races with a Free Agent Driver) Undefined Rides Jeff Gordon (Half-Time?, or Retired in NASCAR Racing)? Robby Gordon (Focused on X-Games and Rally races) Brian Vickers (Will return, most are still looking for a team) Dave Blaney (No Plans to Back a NASCAR Race) 1208. Sector posted: 11.24.2015 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff Gordon Half-Time? Please no. Also whats with all the predictions? Is everyone seeiously that bored already? 1209. DaleSrFanForever posted: 11.24.2015 - 2:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I was wrong about Kyle Busch. 1210. 88&4Fan posted: 11.24.2015 - 2:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Nice try. DSFF doesn't post by that name anymore. 1211. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.24.2015 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon's likely going to pull a Jeff Burton. He'll likely run one or two more races at the short tracks before he completely retires. But he's not returning in any high capacity. Martin's retired fully, and to my knowledge Blaney runs very select sprint car races. Vickers methinks is retired, and I doubt he's looking for a ride right now. Could be wrong there, could be wrong. 1212. You Guys Already Know Who I Am posted: 11.24.2015 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why are idiot trolls posting as DSFF -Some Guy in North Carolina 1213. Tide1032 posted: 11.24.2015 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon to Short Tracks Tylor? I wanted Casey Atwood returned to NASCAR, he is still young and could get up to a 40 or 41. 35 Years Old, and Still Recovered to Injury in Phoenix Race for Former Nationwide series race in 2009 1214. Captain51 posted: 11.24.2015 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tylor, Jeff isn't running any more races in the Cup series. This has been said time after time. Jeff himself has stated it as well. Xfinity or Trucks? That's up to Jeff. Not cup. 1215. Sector posted: 11.24.2015 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nah, Jeff's better off away from Cup. 1216. joey2448 posted: 11.24.2015 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another year, another season in which the Brickyard winner went on to win the championship. That makes it nine times in 22 races at Indianapolis that the eventual champion won. 1217. 88&4Fan posted: 11.24.2015 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Some Guy In North Carolina = DSFF/Jason 1218. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.24.2015 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1214 My bad, last I heard he was saying he wasn't ruling retirement out completely. Need to keep up with the news I guess. 1219. BMan0213 posted: 11.24.2015 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just my gut feeling but I think we'll see Jeff in a truck at some point at either Martinsville and Eldora. It probably won't be next year but i think comes 2017 or 2018 he's gonna get the itch to get back in a race car and when he does I'm sure JRM would love to give him a seat for a race or two. 1220. 88&4Fan posted: 11.24.2015 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To bring up a new subject of sorts, here is in my opinion, the top 25 cup prospects ranked. To be eligible for this list, you must not have run a full cup season (Kyle Larson, Austin Dillon, Jeb Burton, Matt DiBenedetto, Brett Moffitt, etc. are ineligible) but drivers like Chase Elliott and Ryan Blaney who have cup starts but haven't run a full season yet are eligible. So here it is: 1. Erik Jones 2. Chase Elliott 3. Ryan Blaney 4. Chris Buescher 5. Ty Dillon 6. Darrell Wallace, Jr. 7. Daniel Suarez 8. Cole Custer 9. Brian Scott 10. John Hunter Nemechek 11. Tyler Reddick 12. Brandon Jones 13. Ross Chastain 14. Daniel Hemric 15. William Byron 16. Christopher Bell 17. Cameron Hayley 18. Ryan Sieg 19. John Wes Townley 20. Dalton Sargeant 21. Ben Kennedy 22. Austin Cindric 23. Jeremy Clements 24. Rico Abreu 25. JJ Haley Honorable Mentions: Ross Kenseth, David Levine, Dakoda Armstrong, Ryan Reed, Noah Gragson, Gracin Raz, Parker Kligerman (still hasn't run a full cup season), Jeffrey Earnhardt, Timothy Peters (you never know...), Kyle Weatherman 1221. 88&4Fan posted: 11.24.2015 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Any thoughts? 1222. murb posted: 11.24.2015 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Any thoughts?" Not bad. The only changes I would make would be Bubba and Suarez over Ty (just a personal preference), and JHN and Reddick each a couple spots higher (I think both of them are at least on par with Custer). 1223. C posted: 11.24.2015 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Elliott in front of jones Suarez in front of Wallace jr Overall though a pretty good list A bit confused on the rankings are on hoe good of a career you think they're going to have or pure talent right now 1224. 88&4Fan posted: 11.24.2015 - 9:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its a mix of where they are at right now, what I think their potential is (part of the reason why guys like Ross Chastain are ranked so high) and what their career will realistically end up like (hence why Reed and Armstrong still made honorable mentions even though they aren't very good, they'll have opportunities because of sponsorship). In that case I probably should've put Chase Elliott and Ryan Blaney over Jones because both of them are getting the full time cup opportunity this year. 1225. C posted: 11.24.2015 - 9:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) How I didn't mean to day that 1226. Sector posted: 11.24.2015 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Erik Jones, Ryan Blaney and Chase Elliott are the only three potentials I see as future Cup Stars and Cup Champion. Throw in Kyle Larson, if he goes to the right direction and gets a solid team going, that's four. With the exception of Carl Edwards (Still feel bad for his 2011 defeat), I don't see anyone else worthy of being a Cup Champion based on their stats or grabbing one. I think Kevin Harvick will end up reaching #3 down the road before future stars line up, and of course, Johnson will end up getting stuck at #7 to tie the two greats, Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt. I can be proven wrong, but I don't think Kyle will win another Cup. This year was just a major year for him, and it just called his name like it was meant to be. Then again, with guys like Jeff gone, Tony leaving next year, Matt Kenseth and Jimmie Johnson are bound to slow down as they progress with age and Kevin's getting there himself but he shows no sign of slowing down, I think we'll see someone else step up and be crowned a champion anyway eventually. Denny Hamlin, Dale Earnhardt Jr and Carl Edwards are the top guys right now without a Cup. Finally, I wanted to point this out, the Penske drivers are on top of their games now. I can see Brad winning at least one more championship before he retires, and at max two more. Joey Logano? Hell yeah. I'm not a big fan of him to be honest, but after witnessing what he's been able to accomplish since last year, then adding on to his monstrous accomplishments this year, he's damn well deserving of one. In fact, I expect him to be even stronger next year and give Roger Penske championship #2. I can see Joey go for 2-3 Cups. All in all, I don't see anyone in Cup at the moment winning more than 3 Cups to join the ranks of Petty, Earnhardt, Gordon & Johnson. All I see right now is with this new format, we're going to see a couple new Champs down the road and we have been lately. Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch were too good and talented to not win one. 1227. You Guys Already Know Who I Am posted: 11.24.2015 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey 88&4 fan, I am no Jason -A guy in North Carolina 1228. MAR posted: 11.24.2015 - 9:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good list 88&4 fan but here's my top 25 prospect rankings 1. Erik Jones 2. Ryan Blaney 3. Chase Elliot 4. Chris Buescher 5. Darrell Wallace 6. Daniel Suarez 7. Ty Dillon 8. Brian Scott 9. John Hunter Nemechek 10. Tyler Reddick 11. Cole Custer 12. Ryan Sieg 13. Ross Chastain 14. Jeremy Clements 15. Daniel Hemric 16. Cameron Hayley 17. Christopher Bell 18. Ryan Preece 19. Brandon Jones 20. William Byron 21. Dalton Sargeant 22. Chris Eggleston 23. Noah Gragson 24. John Wes Townley 25. Austin Wayne Self 1229. 88&4Fan posted: 11.24.2015 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) MAR- don't you mean "god" list 88&4Fan, and you have a list "ass" well? 1230. racefangurl posted: 11.25.2015 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1200, if Chris Buescher was to Cup race, I'd say either 60 or 99 would be his number. 1211, Brian Vickers' future hinges on whether or not he can get off blood thinners again. Racecar drivers are a stubborn bunch, but if he needs to stay on thinners, he'll stay in the booth. He has been there. 1231. C posted: 11.25.2015 - 7:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It would be cool to see. Top 10'drkvers thst need a better ride 1232. racefangurl posted: 11.25.2015 - 12:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 1231, here's my list 1. Landon Cassill 2. Cole Whitt 3. Alex Bowman 4. Matt DiBenedetto (somebody on a site other than this one once said so) 5. Brett Moffit 6. Jeb Burton 7. Justin Allgaier? He got a top-10 with the 51 at Bristol. Michael Annett? He was solid with a bad Cup team in 2014. Corey LaJoie? He's worthy of full-time NASCAR ride, supposedly and can't get one. 8. Greg Biffle (but probably won't get one because he's an old guy) 9. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (at least if his Wrecky ways are due to how he's in a terrible car) He has some Cup top-5's, so he may be deserving of a better ride. 10. Trevor Bayne (He has MS, so I couldn't put him higher. However, based on his results when Roush handled better, he wouldn't run as bad with a better car.) The Wood Brothers used Roush cars when he was with them and he ran better in 2012 than 2013-2015. Unless they have Cup raced, I don't like to put them on a list like this. Some drivers are good in the minor leagues, but don't quite have it in the Cup. 1233. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.25.2015 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) With the aero package used at Kentucky and Darlington in place next year, I think the season will be good. But to make it great, I think the schedule needs to be reworked. I know this will never happen, but I think this would be a perfect schedule for the top 3 divisions: Cup 1 Daytona 2 Rockingham 3 Phoenix 4 Fontana 5 Las Vegas 6 Martinsville 7 Bristol 8 Sonoma 9 Talladega 10 North Wilkesboro 11 Darlington 12 Texas 13 Charlotte 14 Pocono 15 Michigan 16 Thornton* 17 Dover 18 Atlanta 19 Daytona 20 Richmond 21 Kansas 22 New Hampshire 23 Indianapolis 24 Chicagoland 25 Watkins Glen 26 Darlington 27 Dover 28 Charlotte 29 Michigan 30 Richmond 31 Rockingham 32 Atlanta 33 Watkins Glen 34 Bristol 35 Talladega 36 North Wilkesboro 37 Pocono 38 Martinsville 39 Phoenix 40 Homestead Xfinity 1 Daytona 2 Rockingham 3 Las Vegas 4 Fontana 5 Atlanta 6 Texas 7 Dover 8 Richmond 9 Talladega 10 Nashville^ 11 Charlotte 12 Iowa 13 Myrtle Beach 14 Darlington 15 South Boston 16 Texas World 17 Kentucky 18 Montreal 19 Watkins Glen 20 Daytona 21 Milwaukee 22 Pikes Peak 23 Kansas 24 Michigan 25 Mid-Ohio 26 Nazareth 27 Bristol 28 IRP 29 New Hampshire 30 Gateway 31 Road America 32 Kentucky 33 Orange County 34 Iowa 35 Memphis 36 Phoenix 37 Hickory 38 Homestead Trucks 1 Disney 2 Daytona 3 Las Vegas 4 Tucson 5 Evergreen 6 Mesa Marin 7 Memphis 8 North Wilkesboro 9 Bristol 10 Mansfield 11 Michigan 12 Sonoma 13 Eldora 14 Bowmanville 15 I-70 16 IRP 17 Gateway 18 Richmond 19 South Boston 20 Topeka 21 Portland% 22 Pikes Peak 23 Flemington 24 Texas 25 Talladega 26 Watkins Glen 27 Louisville 28 Nazareth 29 Nashville# 30 Kentucky 31 Milwaukee 32 Dover 33 Martinsville 34 New Hampshire 35 Phoenix 36 Homestead *It is not a real track, but Thronton is a fictional 12 mile street course in NR2003, which is based on real life Thornton, IL. While not a real track, if they did have a race using the game's layout it would be epic. ^Nashville Superspeedway #Nashville Speedway (the short track) %The .5 mile oval, not the road course Also note that I decided not to give Kentucky a Cup date, not because I don't like it, but because I liked it better as a track for Xfinity and Trucks, which is why I gave it 3 races in the lower series. So yeah, a majority of those won't happen, but I think it would be great to have a schedule like this. Comments? 1234. C posted: 11.25.2015 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone said I forgot who on this site but I completely agree Cassill has to commit one ride. 1235. C posted: 11.25.2015 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My too three right now are 1. Justin Allgaier 2. Cole Whitt 3. Alex Bowman 1236. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.25.2015 - 1:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also I made an error, race #33 on the Cup schedule should be Riverside. 1237. Eric posted: 11.25.2015 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big Mac Fan, Disney can't for the trucks ever again. The entire track is teared down already. 1238. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.25.2015 - 2:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know that. That's why I said it would having little to no possibility of coming true. 1239. C posted: 11.25.2015 - 2:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I would like nascar to lengthen the season 1240. 88&4Fan posted: 11.25.2015 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) God list Big Mac Fan I have one ass well -Daytona Beach -Linden Airport -Monaco -The Nurburgring -Rainbow Road -Darek Jetar -Ron Hornyday 1241. racefangurl posted: 11.25.2015 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) 1240 is being ridiculous. Is 88&4 being trolled? I think maybe. Unless it's just a big joke. 1242. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 11.25.2015 - 2:38 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) If anything, cut down on the schedule. It's oversaturated as is. 1243. DARoot posted: 11.25.2015 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just thought about this. What about the Cup Series going to Circut Of The Americas? 1244. racefangurl posted: 11.25.2015 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) 1243, that's an F1 track! HORROR! It wouldn't be good! It would be like New Hampshire and Indy, in a way. It was NOT made for NASCAR cars! 1245. We need more Onion posted: 11.25.2015 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Wow... Ignorant much? 1246. racefangurl posted: 11.25.2015 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 1245. I've never seen a race at that track, but I saw somewhere F1 used it. Just thought it was built with open wheel cars and after visiting its page, other cars that regularly road race in mind. NASCAR cars are big and bulky compared to the cars that regularly road race. But I guess my opinions on NASCAR road races are based on Mr. "Who wants to watch a road race?" (who's the reason I'm a race fan), since I've seen Nationwide/Xfinity road races and that's it. I've followed any NASCAR Cup road racing only through RaceTrax and such and have never watched a Truck road race. 1247. Cornys posted: 11.25.2015 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1243 We're stuck with the same number of races per track owner for the next 5 years. CotA won't get a race until at least then, unless they pony up enough to buy an event weekend, which I don't see happening. They can't pay the sanctioning fee for this year's F1 race. (At least they haven't yet) 1248. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.25.2015 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR can not go back too North Wilkesboro. It will take a lot of money too get it up and running too Cup standard. K&N, Trucks, Modifieds even Xfinity could. But not Cup. Bruton Smith left the track because he is smarter then the rest of us.... well not really. Road America wants a Cup date. I'm sure they will get one. Montreal should already be on the Cup schedule if the track promoter wasn't an idiot. 1249. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.25.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "That's an F1 track! HORROR! It wouldn't be good!" "I'm never seen a race at that track" Since you've never seen a race, how are so sure it would be terrible? 1250. Tide1032 posted: 11.25.2015 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Casey Atwood?, Now with 35 year old Still has no hope of returning to drive in NASCAR? I love to see Casey Atwood backing a ride (With #9 RPM Car or other) 1251. 88&4Fan posted: 11.25.2015 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'd love to see Atwood back in NASCAR, maybe for a team like TriStar or the Nigerian Prince Mobile. 1252. racefangurl posted: 11.26.2015 - 12:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) 1249, the track wasn't built for NASCAR cars, so how could it be better than Indy and New Hampshire? I know those are ovals, but it seems to me NASCAR cars put on crappy races at tracks built for other types of cars. 1253. joey2448 posted: 11.26.2015 - 3:29 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "1243, that's an F1 track! HORROR! It wouldn't be good! It would be like New Hampshire and Indy, in a way. It was NOT made for NASCAR cars!" I know I'm nitpicking here, but technically, Indianapolis was built as a place to test the modern automobiles of the day, although I do believe the founders did have racing in mind as well. Open wheel cars or stock cars, it wasn't a forethought. That being said, I agree that today's IndyCar open-wheelers are MUCH more racy than the slow, bulky stock cars, and that all has to do with aerodynamics on a fast track that features nearly flat corners. On a road course, however, different style race cars will react much different from how they do at the Brickyard. To compare how two types of cars race at Indy vs. Circuit of the Americas isn't even logical. That's like saying NBA players couldn't make it on an NFL team because they trained specifically for basketball. I think LeBron James could be a starter on a football team (maybe the Browns, LOL. .. but I digress). 1254. Sector posted: 11.26.2015 - 9:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Happy Thanksgiving ya'll. I know for sure one of the things I'm thankful for, is Jeff Gordon being a major idol in my life. I'm proud of you man and have a happy second chapter of your life! I've been following you since I was 3 (1994 season) and my parents always said I would smile at your car when on screen, which led to me being a major supporter throughout. Abd I was born in an Eanrdhardt/Stewart family lmao! 1255. C posted: 11.26.2015 - 9:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (5) Negligent try and get more biographical information the pages. I think the website would benefit from listings such as height,weight, and a link to pages of relatives. 1256. C posted: 11.26.2015 - 9:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Any thoughts 1257. C posted: 11.26.2015 - 10:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) @1255 is littered eith typos I am trying to get more biographical information such as height,weight and links to relatives. 1258. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.26.2015 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @1257 I don't think that's a very good idea. Isn't weight supposed to be a little bit, you know, personal? 1259. C posted: 11.26.2015 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @1258 fine whst about without weight? By the way nascsr.com yahoo sports all have weight 1260. Sector posted: 11.26.2015 - 12:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Why do you want to know how heavy someone is? 1261. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.26.2015 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @1259 Why do you want to know someone's weight? Answer me there, if you would kindly. 1262. Tylor Thaber posted: 11.26.2015 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1246 There IS a stock car series that races at Circuit of the Americas. It's Trans Am, and they do it just fine. The cars are a decent amount lighter, but they are approximately the same size, give or take a few inches. Also, NASCAR Euro has run a few F1 tracks in the past, including Nurburgring, Monza, and even Spa...and if you'd like to go further back, when they were a mostly French series not under NASCAR's control, they ran Magny Cours. I think they could do it. ...Or, if you'd like another example of what a stock car can do, just watch the Race Of Champions. NASCAR Euro cars are one of the vehicles they use. I think NASCAR isn't going there because it'll cost so much, and they seem deadset on not changing the road course count. 1263. C posted: 11.26.2015 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I don't it was just an example I was naming biographical possibilities 1264. racefangurl posted: 11.26.2015 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1262, the NASCAR cars, being heavier, would probably react in a different way than the Trans Am cars. I just thought with NASCAR cars being heavy compared to open- wheel racecars, like F1 cars and therefore less racy, they'd likely react in ways quite different and it may not be as good as the F1 COTA races. I'd rather watch Martinsville or a video of an old configuration Bristol or Richmond race than a COTA NASCAR race. That is, unless I had somebody to watch the COTA NASCAR race with. Otherwise, I'd just follow the COTA race online to see how my favorites were running. 1265. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.26.2015 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We were the Top Cats against the Jags We caused Houston to have a problem We marched on the Saints We made the Bucs walk the plank We made Seattle wish they had a 13th man We showed no Brotherly Love for Philly We bucked the Colts We sent Green Bay Packing We Remembered to beat the Titans We Skinned the Redskins We rode the Cowboys out of town 11-0 baby! I hope Tony Romo gets well quickly 1266. 88&4Fan posted: 11.26.2015 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You guys could easily go undefeated this year but I don't think anyone is going to beat the Patriots in the playoffs unless we see another miracle Giants playoff run. 1267. Evan posted: 11.26.2015 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thanksgiving football was a day of Big Cats. The Lions ate the Eagles up for lunch, and the Panthers ate the Cowboys up for dinner. 1268. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.26.2015 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 3-8...and Romo's out again. Yeah this season has gone horribly wrong. I'm hoping for the best draft pick possible now. At least the Mavericks are doing well this year. Congrats to the Panthers, they definetly crushed us today, I wonder if they could top New England's 2007 regular season by winning everything. 1269. 88&4Fan posted: 11.26.2015 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shockingly, the Bears/Packers game is the closest one of the day. Still early though and plenty of time for it to turn into a blowout. 1270. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.26.2015 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Damn, I got goosebumps seeing Bart Starr. That is one of the 4 greatest QBs ever. A 5 time NFL champ. 1271. Tyson posted: 11.26.2015 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Damn I must've missed the memo that this is now an NFL website. 1272. 88&4Fan posted: 11.26.2015 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I must've missed the memo that we're not allowed to talk about other things on here. 1273. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.26.2015 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) Tyson must have missed the memo from my DSFF days that I don't give a damn, I talk about what I want to talk about. 1274. 88&4Fan posted: 11.26.2015 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, the Packers lost to both the Bears and the Lions at home this year. What universe are we in again? 1275. Tyson posted: 11.27.2015 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (6) Well guys maybe take it to an NFL forum or something where people actually care. 1276. 88&4Fan posted: 11.27.2015 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well you'd better get used to it because if previous years are anything to go by (look on any Homestead race page since 2011~ and there are hundreds of comments throughout the offseason), there will be a lot of football discussion here for the next two and a half months. 1277. WinstonCupStandings posted: 11.27.2015 - 1:16 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) Finally took the time to add up how many third place finishes Jeff has had. Through 797 consecutive starts, Jeff Gordon has won 81 poles, amassed 93 wins, 75 2nd place finishes, and 62 3rd place finishes (230 podiums)...and 7 Championships Thanks for the memories, 7-Time. #GoLarson in 2016! 1278. John posted: 11.27.2015 - 2:41 am Rate this comment: (5) (2) For anyone that says because of the Chase only the last 10 races of the season matter........ without his regular season bonus points for wins Kyle Busch doesn't make it past the first round. 1279. Alex posted: 11.27.2015 - 6:08 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Most impressive statistic of Jeff Gordon's career, IMO: Out of the 37 drivers who attempted to run the fun slate in 2015, Jeff Gordon is the only of them to win at least one pole in every full-time season run during his career. Every single one of them has had a bubble in the pole column at some point in his career. You have to go before the modern era to find other folks who matched this feat, and none of them ran anywhere close to 23 full-time seasons! 1280. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.27.2015 - 10:53 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) @1271 It's the off season. There's not much racing to talk about. 1281. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.27.2015 - 11:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The most impressive part of Jeff Gordon's career imo: In his 23 years of racing, he only finished outside of the top 10 in points twice. 1282. Ron Hornish, Jr. posted: 11.27.2015 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have very sad (and hilarious at the same time) news to announce: Vince Welch will be calling truck series races in 2016. 1283. 88&4Fan posted: 11.27.2015 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Welp. Prepare for lots of "Paul Nard", "Trevor Brain", and "Its not about quality, its about quality!" next year... 1284. The Long Shot posted: 11.27.2015 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ""Its not about quality, its about quality!"" That was Marty Reid, I believe. 1285. Smiff_2 posted: 11.27.2015 - 2:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Vince Welch is f***ing TERRIBLE lol. He's fine on pit road....leave him there! I used to be a big Rick Allen fan, but he's become obnoxiously loud since he started doing Cup races. Ralph Sheheen is currently the best in the business, bar none. Every time he's in the booth for ANY series, I consider it a treat. Too bad NBC didn't lure *him* away from Fox instead of Allen. (And also, of course, shame on Fox Sports for choosing Welck over him. They just don't get it) 1286. 88&4Fan posted: 11.27.2015 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) I agree Sheheen would be leagues better than Rick Allen (who I'll admit has improved since he joined NBC but that's mainly just because he doesn't yell "PRAWBLEMS!!!" anymore) and especially Vince Welsh. The 2009 Coke Zero 400 remains one of my favorite calls to the finish to this day. You were right actually Long Shot it was Marty Reid who said that. Its kind of hard to keep track of who says what though between those two since both of them have made simple mistakes on driver names and the sort that could make a list miles long. And those are only the ones from the "ESPN/Marty Reid Fail Compilation" YouTube video series (if you haven't seen those yet they are great). 1287. racefangurl posted: 11.27.2015 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Tyson, I'm not a football fan either. I like basketball, but not football. 1288. C posted: 11.27.2015 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Anyone want to talk baseball? 1289. murb posted: 11.27.2015 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I actually still think Rick Allen is the best in the business (I can still tolerate Mike Joy too, but he doesn't seem to be as great as he once was), and I honestly think Allen, Burton and Letarte are probably the best three man announce team since Bestwick, Dallenbach, and BP on the original NBC. I'll say though, I actually am kind of excited to hear Joy, DW, and Gordon though. For some reason I feel like DW and Gordon will play off each other pretty well (DW will still be a clown I'm sure, but at least I feel like Gordon will have a nice balance of good analysis and calling things like they are, as opposed to McReynolds who has just kind of become just as cartoony as both Waltrips in the past couple years - Larry Mac WAS great on TNT though when he was the technical expert guy, so I think it's actually a good thing that he's now transitioning to that on Fox as well). And yeah, no idea what Fox was thinking with Vince Welch as the new Truck guy though. He called a couple NXS races for ESPN a few years back and was just dreadful to listen to. Ralph Sheheen was doing a fine job with the Trucks this year, so that's a major disappointment. 1290. The Long Shot posted: 11.27.2015 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) McReynolds is probably my least favorite part of the Fox broadcast, so I'm happy to see Gordon replacing him. DW is a clown but he actually can provide really good insight. Not saying McReynolds can't, but the way he relays it just gets on my nerves. Always comes across really condescending to me, whereas DW's more genuine. And Rick Allen is the best in the business, I agree. 1291. Jason Gilstrap posted: 11.27.2015 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Here is a cross sports doppelganger: Jeff Gordon and Peyton Manning. Both have just out of this world stats born from greatness and longevity. A look at their respective cumulative numbers causes your ghast to be flabbered. But both have that unexplainable pattern of not closing strong with very few exceptions. Neither is "bad" in the clutch, like Kyle Busch when he has to run a full schedule, but each just falls off a step or two at season's end. Others I can think of: Tom Brady and Jimmie Johnson. An obvious abundance of talent. Championships galore, clutch perormances. But a cloud of cheating hangs over both. Michael Jordan and Dale Earnhardt. Outstanding talent, hyper competitive, had to conquer EVERYTHING in sight over and over again. Weren't content just being the best, had to mentally destroy their competition too. Each of them has their legend grow more and more every year even though neither has competed for a while. And clutch ability above all others. Magic/Bird and Petty/Pearson. Rivalries that pushed their sport to another level. One being gregarious, the other shy. Each pushed the other one to legendary performance. Sandy Koufax and Fred Lorenzen. Both dominated then walked away while seemingly in the middle of their prime. Bart Starr and Herb Thomas. Underrated pioneers that were simply winners. Ken Stabler and Rusty Wallace. Really good and really entertaining careers, one title while trying to dethrone the reigning juggernaut (the Steelers and Earnhardt). Catfish Hunter and Cale Yarborough. Part of 2 different memorable dynasties each. Moses Malone and Bobby Allison. Journeymen that made every team they were with better. Although Bobby was a little bit more well spoken. 1292. 88&4Fan posted: 11.27.2015 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Tom Brady and Jimmie Johnson. An obvious abundance of talent. Championships galore, clutch perormances. But a cloud of cheating hangs over both." I'll take that one step further and say Bill Belichick and Chad Knaus, both are the engineers behind a lot of the respective athletes' success, and also behind most of the alleged "cheating" that causes a lot of people to hate them. 1293. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.27.2015 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the reason Ralph Sheheen can not do much NASCAR is because he does motocross and other bike races. 1294. 88&4Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The Redskins have named Eli Manning their MVP for the first half of the game. lol 1295. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think FOX's Cup lineup will be really good next year. Mike Joy, imo, is still the best in the business and one of my favorite broadcasters of all time. When DW actually decides to be serious and not play favorites, I like him. I think he provides a lot of good insight on the race but it also comes at a cost. With Gordon coming, he's done good with his first few tryouts last year, so I think the FOX trio of Joy, DW, and Gordon might be better than most expect. I agree with The Long Shot in that Larry Mac wasn't my favorite broadcaster, so I'm glad that they've moved him to a role that suits him more. NBC's line up is good as well. Rick Allen is second to Mike Joy, imo, and I thought he was a great Truck announcer and I think he's done a fairly decent job in Cup so far. Burton and Letarte have been good, but I don't think they've been spectacular. But they don't have as much experience, so they've done good considering that. But FOX's Truck line up... With Welsh and Waltrip together that will give me another reason to not watch them live. 1296. Tyson posted: 11.29.2015 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) FOX screwed up by not keeping Larry Mac in the booth. He's a better broadcaster than DW. The thing that really bugs me is now we'll have two drivers in the booth with a broadcaster. It just makes more sense to have one crew chief, one driver and one broadcaster so you get all three perspectives. 1297. 88&4Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I can't decide who I want in the booth less between Larry Mac and Gordon. I never liked Larry, I thought he was the weak link at an otherwise great FOX booth (I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually like DW most of the time) but Gordon didn't impress me at all when he did those few Xfinity series races last year. Plus he has that kind of nasally, whiny voice that is really annoying to listen to, and like Tyson said it is going to be weird to have two former drivers in the booth rather than a driver and a crew chief/owner (and you just know that when DW retires from announcing, Mikey is going to replace him uggggh). But who knows, maybe he just needs more experience so I'll give him a chance. I was pleasantly surprised by the NBC booth. Rick Allen, in my opinion, was painfully bad to listen to in the trucks with his constant cringe-worthy shouts of "PRAWBLEMS!!!", "______ on the inside, ________ on the outside!", and "Green flag is in the air!" (Seriously dude, come up with more variety). But he definitely exceeded my very low expectations for him. I thought Burton and Letarte were great for two guys with little to no announcing experience, and I think they'll only get better next year. I'm not sure what rock fell on whose head to get the idea that Vince effing Welch would make a good lead announcer. This guy is the absolute WORST lead announcer that I've ever listened to, and I remember the days of Marty Reid, Jerry Punch, and Bill Weber. From constant mistakes on names of drivers (Paul Nard!) to boring calls to the finish and everything in between, he will put you right to sleep. Throw Michael Waltrip in there and you have a perfect recipe for mute buttons to be turned on everywhere. But hey, I didn't think the NBC booth would be very good last year and they were, so who am I kidding these guys are gonna suck. 1298. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 11.29.2015 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I thought Burton and Letarte were great for two guys with little to no announcing experience, and I think they'll only get better next year." Well Steve and Burton have experience with modern Cup cars. So that helps. Plus they have only been out of the sport (not actively participating in it) in a few years. So their knowledge is fresh and new. "The thing that really bugs me is now we'll have two drivers in the booth with a broadcaster. It just makes more sense to have one crew chief, one driver and one broadcaster so you get all three perspectives." I remember BSPN did a 2 drivers and 2 crew cheifs in the booth for a Xfinity race at Michigan and it thought it worked rather well. Ray Evernham, Andy Petree with Rusty Wallace and Dale Jarrett. But yes it will weird having 2 drivers with a play by play guy. 1299. murb posted: 11.29.2015 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "The thing that really bugs me is now we'll have two drivers in the booth with a broadcaster." More often than not (Parsons/Jarrett, Baker/Jarrett, Parsons/Dallenbach, Dallenbach/Petty, etc), it's pretty much always been two drivers. Only in recent years have crew chiefs really started to do more color analyst work. Personally, I don't really care at all. I'd absolutely much rather have three guys with great chemistry (like Bob/Benny/Ned or Bestwick/Wally/BP) instead of just mandatorily having a play-by-play/driver/crew chief setup that turns out to be totally lackluster (which is sort of what ESPN was the past few years - it seemed like they sacrificed chemistry in favor of just having as many different positional "experts" crammed in there as possible). "but Gordon didn't impress me at all when he did those few Xfinity series races last year" I only listened to him in like maybe one of those races (I REALLY didn't watch much NXS this year), and he seemed alright to me I guess. I just think he and DW will play off of each other really well for some reason. I feel like they will balance each other out (IE: DW will be the cartoony type personality, where Gordon will be more straightforward while still cutting loose a little) a lot better than DW and McReynolds have been over the past few years (plus, like I said a few days ago or whenever it was - I thought Larry was really good on TNT when he was the strategy analyst guy, so I think that's a much better spot for him at this point). "I thought Burton and Letarte were great for two guys with little to no announcing experience" Letarte seriously impressed me. I already think he's the best crew chief analyst there's ever been (not that there's been a whole lot of them or anything - basically it's between him, McReynolds, and Petree, and I think he's already passed those guys up big time). And Burton got better with each week it seemed, so I expect he'll continue to get even better in the years to come. 1300. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And I know that I made it clear in the earlier posts that I thought that this wasn't a weak championship. With that said, I too find it hard to call someone "champion" who missed a 1/3 of the season. And since NASCAR is so stuck on having an eliminator playoffs, I've decided to make my own championship that a) produces a worthy Champion and b) keeps the eliminator playoffs. First, the regular season is only 12 races, the Chase would start after the Coca-Cola 600. Now I know this sounds crazy, but I will explain why later in the post. Anyways, the top 10 in points after Charlotte would be in the Chase for the Cup. The Chase is then broken into three 8 race segments: The first segment would end after the 20th race (Brickyard 400) and the 5 five chasers that scored the most points over that 8 race span would advance onto the next round. The second segment would end after the 28th race (New Hampshire) and the 2 chasers that scored the most points over that 8 race span would advance onto the next round. And finally, the final 8 race segment lasts the rest of the season. Whoever of the 2 scores the most points over the last 8 races is crowned your champion. Now, the reason why I started the Chase so early was because having three races before an elimination is ridiculous. The best drivers of the year can have accidents of mechanical failures that eliminate them on the spot. It places too much on luck. If the segments were 8 races, the drivers would have more time to overcome trouble. Having three race segments is like the no. 8 seed of the NBA eliminating the no. 1 seed if the series was decided by one game. Now that the segments are 8 races, if the underdogs want to eliminate the front runners, they will actually have to work for it and be solid through several months, not just a couple weekends. The win and you're in! in both the regular season and the Chase is cancelled. If that rule wasn't in place, Kyle Busch wouldn't have won the title. It would also give any fluke victories an undeserving spot for the title. By eliminating the win and you're in, it's more decided on who is the best driver all year. And now bonus points. I hate everyone being even after eliminations, so after Charlotte, everyone has 1000 points. However, bonus points are awarded by increments of 10, so first in points would receive 100 bonus points while tenth in points would recover 10. And unlike the current points system, bonus points carry over after every round. This places more emphasis on the regular season. So, let's view the system in action using 2015: Points after Coca-Cola 600: Points (Points after reset) 1. Kevin Harvick 473 (1100) 2. Martin Truex, Jr. 432 (1090) 3. Joey Logano 407 (1080) 4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 401 (1070) 5. Jimmie Johnson 393 (1060) 6. Brad Keselowski 381 (1050) 7. Matt Kenseth 372 (1040) 8. Jamie McMurray 353 (1030) 9. Jeff Gordon 346 (1020) 10. Kasey Kahne 345 (1010) ------------------------------------------- 11. Ryan Newman 343 12. Aric Almirola 339 13. Paul Menard 336 14. Kurt Busch 327 15. Denny Hamlin 321 Points after Brickyard 400: Points (Points after reset) 1. Kevin Harvick 1404 (2100) 2. Joey Logano 1381 (2080) 3. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 1346 (2070) 4. Jimmie Johnson 1342 (2060) 5. Martin Truex, Jr. 1326 (2090) ------------------------------------------------ 6. Brad Keselowski 1307 7. Matt Kenseth 1283 8. Jamie McMurray 1279 9. Jeff Gordon 1249 10. Kasey Kahne 1223 Points after New Hampshire 2: Points (Points after Reset) 1. Joey Logano 2400 (3080) 2. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 2338 (3070) ------------------------------------------------ 3. Kevin Harvick 2329 4. Jimmie Johnson 2308 5. Martin Truex, Jr. 2308 6. Brad Keselowski 1611 7. Matt Kenseth 1579 8. Jeff Gordon 1529 9. Jamie McMurray 1492 10. Kasey Kahne 1397 Finally, points after Homestead: 1. Joey Logano 3351 2. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 3323 --------------------------------------- 3. Kevin Harvick 2643 4. Martin Truex, Jr. 2586 5. Jimmie Johnson 2540 6. Brad Keselowski 1886 7. Jeff Gordon 1833 8. Jamie McMurray 1729 9. Matt Kenseth 1714 10. Kasey Kahne 1604 ----------------------------------- 11. Denny Hamlin 1117 12. Kurt Busch 1108 13. Carl Edwards 1108 14. Ryan Newman 1052 15. Paul Menard 972 16. Aric Almirola 940 17. Clint Bowyer 891 18. Kyle Larson 872 19. Greg Biffle 869 20. Kyle Busch 863 Joey Logano would win his first championship, and it would be a very deserving title at that. And with this format, the dumb events at Talladega and Martinsville would have never happened! Since NASCAR also thinks that close battles is great, Jr. would have entered Homestead as the leader with 3319. Logano would have entered with 3310. Coming in, they were only separated by 9 points. Jr. getting caught up in the big one decided the championship. There's proof that NASCAR doesn't need a game 7 race to have an exciting points battle. So, this wouldn't be my first choice of a format. My first would be no format at all. But since NASCAR feels like an elimination format is necessary, this system at least does a much better job in crowing a deserving champion than the current one in place. 1301. 88&4Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That does sound better than what we have now, but I don't know if I'd start the chase after 12 races, that sounds WAY early. Maybe 18-6-6-6, but that would be the earliest. I'd even argue for 21-5-5-5. 1302. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Fair enough, here it is with 18-6-6-6: Points after Kentucky: Points (Points after reset) 1. Kevin Harvick 692 (1100) 2. Jimmie Johnson 624 (1090) 3. Joey Logano 624 (1080) 4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 616 (1070) 5. Martin Truex, Jr. 596 (1060) 6. Brad Keselowski 559 (1050) 7. Jamie McMurray 556 (1040) 8. Kurt Busch 542 (1030) 9. Matt Kenseth 540 (1020) 10. Jeff Gordon 537 (1010) ----------------------------------------------- 11. Denny Hamlin 522 12. Kasey Kahne 513 13. Paul Menard 509 14. Ryan Newman 497 15. Clint Bowyer 490 Points after Bristol Night Race: Points (Points after reset) 1. Joey Logano 1321 (2080) 2. Kevin Harvick 1316 (2100) 3. Brad Keselowski 1284 (2050) 4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 1273 (2070) 5. Jimmie Johnson 1258 (2090) ----------------------------------------------- 6. Martin Truex, Jr. 1235 7. Matt Kenseth 1233 8. Kurt Busch 1201 9. Jamie McMurray 1180 10. Jeff Gordon 1145 Points after Fall Charlotte: Points (Points after reset) 1. Joey Logano 2325 (3080) 2. Kevin Harvick 2288 (3100) ----------------------------------------- 3. Brad Keselowski 2262 4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 2253 5. Jimmie Johnson 2230 6. Martin Truex, Jr. 1249 7. Kurt Busch 1231 8. Jamie McMurray 1231 9. Matt Kenseth 1219 10. Jeff Gordon 1212 Points after Homestead: 1. Kevin Harvick 3324 2. Joey Logano 3269 3. Jimmie Johnson 2313 4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 2266 5. Brad Keselowski 2266 6. Martin Truex, Jr. 1461 7. Jeff Gordon 1447 8. Kurt Busch 1425 9. Jamie McMurray 1345 10. Matt Kenseth 1313 ------------------------------------- 11. Denny Hamlin 1117 12.Carl Edwards 1108 13. Ryan Newman 1052 14. Paul Menard 972 15. Aric Almirola 940 16. Kasey Kahne 939 17. Clint Bowyer 891 18. Kyle Larson 872 19. Greg Biffle 869 20. Kyle Busch 863 Harvick wins his third title. Although not an interesting points battle at Homestead, at least it was a legit title battle, unlike the ones that the current system produces. 1303. 88&4Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Meanwhile remember that whole Charter idea a while ago that (thankfully) hasn't seemed to go anywhere? I seem to recall that part of that would be changing the chase format to where there would be head-to-head matchups. Now I have mixed feelings about that, I think it would be a much more realistic playoff system than what we have now, however I also don't like it because it has the potential for a lot of controversy (but really, you can't get much worse than the current system). Anyway, I did some work to figure out what the points would've been like this year if that proposed system were in place. Prepare to be shocked by the champion. Charter Chase 2015.htm 1304. 88&4Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry about the link in the last post, it was supposed to be a word doc that I made but it didn't work. Anyway here it is: Round 1 1 Kenseth 125 16 Newman 99 8 Ku. Busch 94 9 Keselowski 97 5 Harvick 76 12 Menard 75 4 Logano 114 13 Bowyer 48 6 Earnhardt Jr 92 11 Hamlin 116 3 Johnson 74 14 McMurray 98 7 Edwards 112 10 Truex, Jr. 101 2 Ky. Busch 87 15 Gordon 100 Round 2 1 Kenseth 54 9 Keselowski 111 5 Harvick 101 4 Logano 142 11 Hamlin 90 14 McMurray 61 7 Edwards 115 15 Gordon 113 Round 3 9 Keselowski 93 4 Logano 54 11 Hamlin 84 7 Edwards 101 Round 4 9 Keselowski 43 7 Edwards 34 Final Standings 1. 9 Keselowski Round 4, 43 2. 7 Edwards Round 4, 34 3. 11 Hamlin Round 3, 118 4. 4 Logano Round 3, 95 5. 15 Gordon Round 2, 272 6. 5 Harvick Round 2, 266 7. 14 McMurray Round 2, 197 8. 1 Kenseth Round 2, 97 9. 2 Ky. Busch Round 1, 349 10. 10 Truex Jr Round 1, 346 11. 8 Ku. Busch Round 1, 327 12. 16 Newman Round 1, 314 13. 6 Earnhardt Round 1, 304 14. 3 Johnson Round 1, 303 15. 12 Menard Round 1, 262 16. 13 Bowyer Round 1, 175 1305. Sector posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I honestly think you wanted to start the chase after 12 races all because of Kyle missing the first 11. I agree with 86&4 fan. Why not just make the first half the regular season, and the second half the chase with your format? 18-6-6-6 would be best in my opinion. Only the top 10's would be eligible after race #18. 4 would be eliminated each, to 6 then finally your 2 best would face off the final 6 races, having to survive Talladega and Martinsville in the process. They should just switch Texas or Charlotte/Kansas around and put a Road Course during that final 6 race span to include all types of variety track (Charlotte/Kansas first race (1.5 Cookie Cutter, then Talladega (Restrictor Plate), Martinsville (Short Track), Road Course, Phoenix (Sort of like a short track, but in all honesty, put Darlington here!), Homestead (1.5 but not a Cookie Cutter). 1306. Sector posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 88&4fan* My bad 1307. 88&4Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) One thing that stood out to me if this system had been used is that, obviously people would race differently, but still, the final four are ALL different than the actual final four, and two of them (including the champion) would've been eliminated in the first round. And a third one, Harvick, made it into round two by a SINGLE POINT. And of course, the two guys in the final championship race are guys who troll their way through the chase by finishing tenth every week. So I guess no matter how you do it, we end up with the potential to have a joke champion. Even with the old chase, while Tony Stewart's run in 2011 was legendary and perhaps one of the most clutch moments this sport has ever seen, did he deserve the championship that year over Edwards, who was hands down the best driver all season? 1308. Big Mac Fan posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nah, I chose after 12 races not because of Kyle, but because I wanted each round to be longer. But yeah, 18-6-6-6 is probably the best. 1309. murb posted: 11.29.2015 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Honestly, I'd be interested to see an 8 man Chase with a 24-6-5-1 format. In the first 24 (regular season), just have qualification be similar to how the 2011-2013 Wild Card thing worked (just go by wins in descending order, and then rely on points). And then in the Chase, have four guys eliminated after the first six races, two more eliminated after the next five, and then at Homestead have a two man battle for the title a la Stewart/Edwards in 2011 (though, I think I would prefer to carry bonus points over into that race, as opposed to the current "finish in front of the other guy and you win" thing). I think something like this would be the best alternative to what we currently have, while simultaneously giving Nascar their precious "championship race"/"game seven moment". But I don't know. I still think the biggest thing that needs to be prioritized more than anything else is getting rid of this 43-1 points scoring system. Make it WAY less about avoiding bad finishes and more about getting good ones. Until that changes, things are gonna be wonky no matter the format. 1310. MAR posted: 11.30.2015 - 8:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I like the head to head format for a chase but I would tweak the points system so that winning means more and one bad finish doesn't end your season this is how I would design my points system. 1st place 100 points 2nd place 80 points 3rd place 65 points 4th place 60 points 5th place 55 points 6th place 50 points 7th place 48 points 8th place 45 points 9th place 42 points 10th place 40 points 11th place 38 points 12th place 36 points 13th place 34 points 14th place 32 points 15th place 30 points 16-43rd decrese by 1 point 1 bonus point for a lap led. 3 bonus points for most laps led. 1 point to the pole winner This system should intensify the racing for position cause in my opinion guys would race harder if every position was worth more than just one point. Also finishing up front would minimize the damage of one bad race my system is more forgiving than the current system used in NASCAR. 1311. Jim Davis posted: 11.30.2015 - 12:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Make it WAY less about avoiding bad finishes and more about getting good ones." Murb, you understand the irony here, right? This is *precisely* what the chase system does, the latest iteration more than ever. And yet you don't like the chase system. Kyle Busch started the season with the equivalent of *11* DNQs in a row and yet his good finishes overcame all those bad finishes and he won a championship. Murb, I think you got want you demanded. 1312. murb posted: 11.30.2015 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "This is *precisely* what the chase system does, the latest iteration more than ever. And yet you don't like the chase system." I wasn't exactly talking about the Chase when I said that (and by the way, when did I ever say I didn't like the Chase? - I am on record of saying that I think the current iteration has major flaws and is a bit comical, and in that post I think my idea would be a better way of doing an elimination style Chase, but I've never said that I dislike the idea of having a Chase/playoff format where the stakes are raised late in the season), I was talking about the way actual points are scored. The biggest problem to me is still that top fives/top tens don't help you as much as a bad finish hurts you (case in point, Hamlin in the second round this year - he had a 4th, a 2nd, but then missed out because of a crash at Talladega - or hell, Gordon's Martinsville-Phoenix stretch of last year is probably a better example where he had two 2nds but still missed out because of the Texas flat tire with Keselowski). "Kyle Busch started the season with the equivalent of *11* DNQs in a row and yet his good finishes overcame all those bad finishes and he won a championship." He overcame the 11 missed to starts to get INTO the Chase, but that's not what won him the championship. I'm not taking anything away from him because he really did a masterful job in the Chase (and in taking over at Homestead and winning the race there) and it was the most levelheaded I've ever seen him race, but he put himself in position to win the championship basically by being the guy who avoided bad finishes the best (while other guys who were way more dominant/consistent in the Chase - namely Logano - lost out because of bad finishes). So no, I still think the actual way points are scored (the 43-1 thing) is still making it weird. Like Sean has proposed on here numerous times before, I think they should just make it to where no points at all are scored after like 25th place or something (I might even bump it up to like 21st or 22nd), along with making top fives and top tens worth a decent amount more than 11th through 20th or wherever you want the cutoff to be. I think it should be way more about judging people by wins AND the best finishes, instead of just a "winning cures all" and "don't crash" type of thing, like we have now. 1313. 88&4Fan posted: 11.30.2015 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Webmaster I just sent you an e-mail about wanting to be a blogger tell me if you got it. 1314. Silly Season Guy posted: 12.01.2015 - 12:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Latest Rumors in NASCAR. Front Row considering adding Brian Scott and switching to Chevrolet to join the RCR alliance Front Row would run 2 teams and a 3rd part time. Quicken loans to join Kasey Kahne next year. Chris Buescher future plans expected by Friday. Penske Racing closing down it's xfinity team?? Selling it to Brad Kesolowski?? TBR looking to expand back to 2 teams. Rab Racing possible Daytona comeback in cup and xfinity. Matt Crafton splitting a xfinity ride with Kyle Busch in the #54???? 1315. Roger posted: 12.01.2015 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's one more that's not a rumor: it was just announced that Robin Pemberton is leaving as NASCAR's director of "competition" at the end of 2015. I can't help but think that's a positive move for NASCAR fans. 1316. Eric posted: 12.01.2015 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Roger, I am not sure this a positive move. While Robin Pemberton is leaving, I have a feeling the next director hired is going to be a "yes man" to Brian France like Robin Pemberton was. Deep down I have an impression that Brian France told Robin how the officials should call the race to point. For real change in NASCAR, Brian France and Mike Helton need to go. The truth is Brian France isn't going to be be forced out of his position due because of who owns the majority of ISC stock. 1317. Roger posted: 12.01.2015 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You may be right Eric, but I'd like to think (perhaps naively) that NASCAR is finally beginning to recognize that the steep decline in the popularity of its product is at least partially the result of the way races are called. NASCAR's tremendous inconsistency or, if you prefer, tremendous manipulation, leaves it wide open for criticism and comparisons to the WWE, etc., and those complaints are quite valid. The so-called chase is one example of manipulation, and the reasoning behind it (imitating stick-n-ball sports, trying to desperately generate new excitement at the end of the "regular season" and all through the "playoffs") has been a dismal failure as fan interest DECREASES starting in September and stays that way with the exception of the final race of the year, which would have attracted sizable attention anyway. Maybe Pemberton was shown the door because of too much inconsistency and manipulation or maybe, as you noted, he was let go for not being manipulative /enough/ and his replacement will be even more of a toady to the self-destructive wishes of Helton-France. In any case it's possible that this is a step in the right direction. I for one would like to hear Helton-France: a. acknowledge that their sport is in a world of trouble, since it clearly IS by any measure that can be used. As far as I know they have never done that, and go on smiling as if everything is in the best shape ever. b. state in exact terms what they intend to do to get NASCAR back to where it was in those "good old days" which actually were not all that long ago. If it can even be done, that is; thousands and thousands of fans are probably gone for good no matter what happens. 1318. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 12.01.2015 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (4) "Penske Racing closing down it's xfinity team?? Selling it to Brad Kesolowski??" Brad has done a good job with his truck team. But i highly doubt it. Though i'd have too say Brad has given more young dudes a chance too shine then Roger has. "For real change in NASCAR, Brian France and Mike Helton need to go." Get better fans and drivers who do not act like 5th graders. And you'll something better. Brian France and Mike Helton are PART of the problem not THE problem. Teams, drivers and fans. It is a whole mix of every party involved. I only watched about 200 laps of the last races after Martinsville. And it isn't NASCARs fault. It is fans and drivers fault. Fans have been acting like 5th graders for years. I thought drivers would be above a 5th grade mentality. I was wrong. I'll watch Speed weeks because i'v never missed one but after that NASCAR will not have this "fan" watching. I'll come back full-time too NASCAR when the 5th grade level is gone. But it will not happen anytime soon. Your mileage will vary. 1319. murb posted: 12.01.2015 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Scott Miller (former RCR and MWR crew chief/team runner) is replacing Pemberton. Not sure how he'll do, but I don't think he can be any worse than Pemberton has been over the past few years. I'm optimistic this will be a great step in the right direction. Also, I read that JGR is considering crew chief changes on the #11 and #19 cars? WHY in the hell would they do that? Hamlin and Rogers really seemed to show some great chemistry this year, and Edwards and Grubb really came on late in the year and especially showed strength with the new low downforce package that is going to be run all year next year. Both of these makes zero sense. 1320. Anonymous posted: 12.01.2015 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Matt Crafton splitting a xfinity ride with Kyle Busch in the #54????" I can't see this one being true, it'll depend on how much funding Menards pumps into Brandon Jones's Xfinity ride. But the #54 does need sponsorship. 1321. Eric posted: 12.01.2015 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (8) (1) 1995 Subaru WRX STi, you claim Helton and France are only part of problem, but you leaving out some key facts. The CEO of NASCAR sounds himself with "Yesmen" like other CEOs do. CEOS are known to admit that they screwed up or they think they know everything that Brian. That in returns means the Management Brian hires agrees with every Brian wants. Take a look at Kyle Busch's injury at Daytona. That injury was caused by Brian being concerned about costs putting Safer barriers everyone on the track. You may want to blame the track operator of Daytona, but Daytona is a ISC track. You shouldn't be blames the fans for not being at the track because they don't like the product NASCAR is bringing. Take a look carefully, NASCAR popularity had been declining for years since Brian France took over. Brian made a lot of screw up like getting a rid of the Labor Day Weekend Darlington had for taking it to a bigger market. Brian also wanted all years to have a "game 7 Moment" and that means manipulate the season by using the chase and even create fake cautions if needed. Brian also had team waste money this year getting a 2 try with the high downforce package due to Brian hating the downforce package at Kentucky despite what the fans, teams and drivers though. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that IMS was not made for Daytona type drafting all around track with a cup car since cup cars weight way more than the cars Indy car has along with the body for that matter. You shouldn't be blaming the drivers for NASCAR problems because what Kevin and Matt did was caused by environment Brian did with the chase. Brian matter of fact egged Matt on Basically what he said after Kansas quite out loud. Having an emulating system in NASCAR actually opens a can of worms causes the actions Kevin did at Talladega matter of fact. 1322. Eric posted: 12.01.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I don't know about Scott Miller. I thought he was a good crew chief at RCR, but what happened as competition director at MWR is a concern. I have a hard time to believe that Scott wasn't involved at Richmond in one form or another since he was the competition director there. I thought there had to be some plans before the race for having Clint getting "an itchy arm" if Truex had problems to make it in the chase. I know teams are willing to do anything for an advantage, but what MWR did that night at Richmond can't be blamed on Mike Helton or Brian France. What MWR did at Richomd 2013 is what you expect out of Formula 1. 1323. 88&4Fan posted: 12.01.2015 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You also have to think, wasn't Scott Miller (I know Bowyer definitely was) with RCR when Menard pulled his little stunt in the 2011 race? You don't think that they got the idea from that? 1324. Eric posted: 12.01.2015 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I really made quite a bit of typing errors in post 1321 including forgetting to type a word. When I typed "emulating" in post 1321, I meant eliminating. When I typed "CEOS are known to admit that they screwed up or they think they know everything that Brian.", I meant to type CEOS are known not to admit they screwed up or they think they know everything. The final thing is I meant to type "Brian also had team waste money this year getting a 2 try with the high downforce package due to Brian hating the downforce package at Kentucky despite what the fans, teams and drivers think though". 1325. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.01.2015 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Fans have been acting like 5th graders for years." So you're going to quit watching because you don't like the fanbase? I usually don't agree with the fanbase either but that doesn't stop me from watching. I respect your decision but ok. 1326. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.01.2015 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brian France and Mike Helton need to go." Mike Helton was named president in 2000, before Brian's reign and back when the series was still great. Like Pemberton, I think Helton is just told to do stuff as well. 1327. Evan posted: 12.01.2015 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In my mind, it always seems like they want to steal fans from the pro football, baseball, and college football crowds and thought they had to fancy themselves up to get people to watch. But after a while, you have to wonder what kind of fans NASCAR wants to attract in this day and age. When I started watching, I watched it because of the speed, and drivers pushing themselves to the limit, wide open on the edge of control. Very dangerous sport but the drivers back then were grown men who had wives and family, now its so different and the demographics are so different. The fanbase that NASCAR should be attracting are like the engineers, the gear heads, mechanics i.e. guys that like to work on cars. Also, NASCAR needs to get some good sponsors to come back in the sport and try to get some funny commercials like Dale Jarrett being asked to race the truck, or Darrell Waltrip trying to drive the Aaron's Dream Machine or Kasey Kahne being tormented by those creepy girls, or those "How bad have you got it?" commercials. They need to show the best of what the sport has to offer, and furthermore I don't think the Gen 6 platform is going to last too long either. Then Gen 6 cars are going to be here for a while, but not too long because I think they will have a Gen 7 car eventually which I hope will be better than Gen 6. 1328. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.02.2015 - 5:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Interesting stat: Kevin Harvick won everytime Brian Vickers was in the field in 2015. 1329. murb posted: 12.02.2015 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Update on the JGR crew chief swap rumors: Motorsport.com says that Dave Rogers will move over to the #19 with Edwards, and Mike Wheeler will take over the #11 for Hamlin. So it looks like Darian Grubb is either moving up in the JGR organization or is looking for a new job (this makes me wonder if Stewart wishes he would have waited a little longer to hire his new crew chief - Stewart/Grubb would have been quite the reunion for Tony's last year). But yeah, sort of a weird deal. I guess I could see it end up working out okay (Rogers might be a nice personality mesh for Edwards, and IIRC Hamlin ran pretty well with Wheeler for those few races in 2014 when Grubb got suspended), but I thought both of these teams really came on late in the year and definitely showed some promise with the new aero package, so it's still kind of a head scratcher to me. 1330. 88&4Fan posted: 12.03.2015 - 10:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So this is what I turned my computer on to this morning: "RTA, NASCAR nearing deal on franchising: A new system that would award guaranteed spots to NASCAR race teams could be put into place by the start of 2016. NASCAR chief operations officer Brent Dewar and Race Team Alliance chairman Rob Kauffman both said Wednesday they are "cautiously optimistic" that a deal would get done in time for next season. They spoke during separate sessions of the SportsBusiness Journal Motorsports Marketing Forum, an annual event that coincides with championship week. It appears that any animosity between NASCAR and the RTA from its inception in 2014 has gone away. "We're close," Kauffman said. "Definitely like most things, the devil is in the details. There is a large amount of contractual stuff. ... We are on a good track. We're very collaborative. Some of the early day [infighting] stuff is long gone. There is very productive and collaborative relationship between the sanctioning body and all the teams." Dewar said that he speaks with Kauffman daily and that NASCAR is committed to giving the owners something that can increase value in their teams and help them sell either pieces or majority portions to interested investors. Neither spilled any details of the plan, which at least initially was targeting a 40-car field with 36 guaranteed spots that would come with a certain portion of the television revenue. The split of television revenue -- 65 percent to tracks, 25 percent to teams through the purse and 10 percent to NASCAR -- is not expected to change. "These are big investments, and the more you understand to attract investors into the sport, to attract ownership interests, we need that kind of [deal]," Dewar said. "We support that. We're trying to implement a system in our 66th year, so with that, comes some thoughtful navigation of how to do that." 1331. 88&4Fan posted: 12.03.2015 - 10:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) So... yeah. Give me my Donny Lia bucket. 1332. Sector posted: 12.03.2015 - 10:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ew. This will be interesting and might be disaster. Only one way to find out. While we're here, tomorrow it's time to find out. Let's do a little guessing game. Who does everyone think will win the Most Popular Driver award this year: Jeff Gordon vs Dale Earnhardt Jr? I personally hope Gordon gets it, but knowing reality, Jr probably wins again. 1333. MAR posted: 12.03.2015 - 10:54 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Its only a matter of time before cup fields shrink to 30 Xfinity fields shrink to 20 and the truck series goes into extinction these damn people have lost their mind with this RTA crap. 1334. Eldrick posted: 12.03.2015 - 11:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR sure continues to circle the drain, doesn't it? As more and more fans tune out every year and fewer and fewer attend events ever year, the almighty buck is going to dry up even further for these greedy idiots. So let's drive the little teams out of the sport entirely and leave more of that ever-shrinking golden goose for the big boys to slurp up before it keels over and dies. Hopefully there's a special place in hell for France, Helton, Dewar, Kaufmann and whoever else signs onto this garbage. 1335. The Great Dave posted: 12.03.2015 - 11:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So this is basically like the top 35 rule? 1336. BMan0213 posted: 12.03.2015 - 11:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kind of but I think it's worse. At least with the top 35 rule you could rac your way into the the top 35 to lock yourself in. Under this it sounds like if you don't get one of the spots tough luck. You could be like 20th in points and still go home each week. It sounds like this would make it pretty impossible for any small teams to break into the sport. Just look a Furniture Row. This year they were a championship contender, but if this rule was in place when they first came into the sport they probably wouldn't even be here still.... 1337. IndyCar posted: 12.03.2015 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Good, good. All according to plan. Operation Phoenix Rising is a go. Continue your path NASCAR...we're ready to reap the benefits." (evil laugh) 1338. Sarf52 posted: 12.03.2015 - 12:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1333 Believe it or not I think the Truck series is getting stronger while the other two series weaken. A lot of old school fans are starting to gravitate towards it because of its small, hardscrabble teams, competitive racing, unique(ish) schedule and lack of idiotic gimmicks. Start moving the Trucks to a few southern home tracks and NASCAR would actually probably see its third series boom if you ask me. The seasoned vet/young up and comer competition kind of captures the vibe of the old West Series racing that was extremely popular (on the West Coast,) if NASCAR plays its cards right the Trucks could become something great. 1339. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.03.2015 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Charters...think about it. And I think it is a really bad idea. NASCAR isn't the NFL. 1340. I Lost My Name posted: 12.03.2015 - 2:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One of the worst ideas nascar has ever had. I have been u huge fan for a long time but it just keeps getting worst. It's just crazy. 1341. 88&4Fan posted: 12.03.2015 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I was just reading through the comments on this page and came across this one that I must've missed from Ryan W: "Btw, does anyone know why Waltrip and Buffy got a divorce? A couple of people I know told me that she caught him with another dude. No kidding." I think there actually may be some truth to that. Or at least the Mikey being gay part. My dad used to work for USA Today from around 2000-2010 and did photoshoots with almost all of the big-name drivers from back then at one point or another, and so he kind of knew a lot of the talk that was going around in the garage. Anyway, he did one with Michael Waltrip around the time that he and Buffy were splitting up and all the reporters were talking about their "open" relationship and how apparently Mikey was letting Buffy sleep with... wait for it... Dale Jarrett. I mean I don't think there's anything wrong with gay people but if I had to take a guess at a NASCAR driver who I think is gay, he'd be my first choice (besides Gordon lol jk). Oh and then there was that whole weird car accident thingy where Mikey crashed into a ditch, walked home, and locked all his doors so the police couldn't get in (totally not because he wanted to get the alcohol out of his system) I think that may have had something to do with the breakup. Also just saw on Jayski that Drew Carey will be doing the awards show tomorrow night. I might be in the minority here but I thought Jay Mohr was great, so I'm a bit disappointed, but it'll be interesting to see how Drew does. 1342. Tyson posted: 12.03.2015 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) #1341 - I can't say I'd be shocked if Mikey were gay but at the same time I still doubt the fact he is. As far as I know from reading his book, they were having a lot of marital issues when he took MWR to Cup because it cost them a lot of money. They were essentially broke. After that, the accident happened where he rolled his car in the ditch and walked home. He never said he was drinking, although he most likely was, but I think they were already broken up before the accident. 1343. Minnowfur posted: 12.03.2015 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Riseing stars in the pro east and west wonder what tracks they would do good at in the top 3 series vroom vroom vroom 1344. JamieMacFan1 (Big Mac Fan) posted: 12.04.2015 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Since a guy changed his name to Big King Fan, I'm going to change my username to JamieMacFan1 to avoid confusion. I was wanting to change my username anyways. 1345. Big King Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sorry Big Mac Fan. Do you want me to change my username back? The only reason I changed it in the first place was to be funny, but now I've pissed the whole website off. Sorry to all those people. From now on, I will be reverting back to my original website username, NASCARLover22. 1346. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, as tonight is the awards show, I am about to watch one of my personal all-time favorite NASCAR-related videos: the 2011 Champion's Week Newlywed Game. If you haven't seen this, there's a video on YouTube. It is absolutely hilarious. 1347. TheHardTooth2216 posted: 12.04.2015 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (9) (2) It makes sense that NASCAR got the former host of "Whose Line is it Anyways?" to host the awards show since both 'shows' have the same slogan. NASCAR: "Where everything's made up and the points don't matter." 1348. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 9:06 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I wonder how much these musical artist actual care about NASCAR. 1349. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Paul Menard, for teaching me to express joy". Now THAT was funny. 1350. Rockstar posted: 12.04.2015 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rutledge Wood literally looks like a young Lumberjack Santa Claus. 1351. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You don't have to like the guy, but Kurt Busch's interview was great. 1352. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speech I mean. 1353. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is Tony Stewart even there? They showed Haas but I haven't seen Tony at all, I mean you'd think he would be there since he's an owner. 1354. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Carl is the only guy who is using note cards instead of a teleprompter. 1355. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Carl needs note cards so that he can memorize all 500 of his sponsors to thank. 1356. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congratulations to Jeff Hanson on winning the 2015 Betty Jane France Humanitarian Award. 1357. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) JR. wins the Most Driver Award........................................again. 1358. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *Most Popular Driver Award. 1359. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Glad to see that they still included Justin Wilson in their "In Memoriam" sequence even though he wasn't a NASCAR driver. Racing is one big family. 1360. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Usually the Champion wins all the contingency awards. I guess they wanted to be different this year. 1361. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually a little surprised Junior got MPD. I thought Gordon might get it this time. 1362. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's weird that Gordon never won the MPD award. 1363. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not really, since he was the most hated driver from the mid-90s until the mid-2000s when Johnson essentially took his place. But I'm a little surprised that he didn't get it this year. 1364. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Chevrolet has Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson ABOVE Dale Earnhardt in their top five Chevy drivers of all-time??? I'm done. 1365. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I might go back to my name, but which username do you think is better? Big Mac Fan or JamieMacFan1? Anyways if they haven't already they need to do a newlywed game for NASCAR pairing drivers and their crew chiefs. The drivers and crew chefs probably know each other the most since they communicate every race and it would be funny to see the results of a combo like that. 1366. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I'm done." Earnhardt-76 wins, 7 titles Gordon-93 wins, 4 titles, 7 Winston cup titles Johnson-75 wins, 6 titles, has many years left in NASCAR I agree Earnhardt is the best of the 3, but it's entirely surprising that those two would be on top as they have as much success as well 1367. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *not entirely 1368. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) With both Elliott and Jr., this is my biggest gripe about the MPD in Cup. You knew they would win it each year, therefore I hardly classify it as an "award" because there's no competition for it. 1369. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the moment hit Jeff. I think he is finally realizing it. 1370. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I honestly thought Jeff would get to 100 wins. 1371. JamieMacFan1 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In 1999, Jeff had 49 wins. He would have gotten ~160 wins if he stayed at that pace. 1372. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And you know after Junior retires, it'll be Chase Elliott winning MPD every year probably. I've said it before on here but I'll say it one last time. Congratulations to Jeff Gordon on an amazing career. 1373. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How did normal fans get into this?I thought it was private access. Or did they pay a ton to get in? 1374. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jeff is not going to miss debris the most. Ha. Everyone hates those Jacques cautions. 1375. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes!!! Gordon on that "debris cautions" line. 1376. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just realized, next year Kevin Harvick's sponsors will be Busch (Kyle/Kurt) and Jimmy(ie) Johns(on). 1377. joey2448 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Man I agree, the moment definitely hit Jeff there hard. But he's a legend and a class act, so no shame in letting the tears flow! That speech really got to me too. I'm gonna miss seeing him out there on track next year, but it's good to know he'll still be around the garage and on TV calling the action, he's not going away for good! #24ever 1378. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay Joe, you can stop talking any minute now... 1379. Nathan8848 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No mention of Interstate Batteries yet. Wow. 1380. joey2448 posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) If Dale were still around, I think he would've toasted Jeff with a glass of milk. Just like in 1995. Come full circle. 1381. 88&4Fan posted: 12.04.2015 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joe Gibbs thinks NASCAR has the most dedicated and loyal fans in the world. LOL 1382. Nathan8848 posted: 12.05.2015 - 12:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The replacement for Sprint has been sealed shut. No rumors or anything. I'm sure we will here next year, but it's awfully quiet. 1383. Nathan8848 posted: 12.05.2015 - 12:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Finally Interstate Batteries is mentioned. Took a speech and a half. They are the main ones to get you where you are. 1384. 88&4Fan posted: 12.05.2015 - 12:28 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think it was a pretty good show this year, still I hope they bring back Jay Mohr next year I liked him a lot. 1385. Nathan8848 posted: 12.05.2015 - 12:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rachel Platten is hawt. 1386. Driver X posted: 12.06.2015 - 12:53 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I've been away for a moment, but here are my thoughts: I have to look at the speech that Jeff Gordon made. It's still a shock to me that he's no longer gonna be racing anymore. I have a lot of his memorabilia that I've collected ever since I was a kid. And I think that Brian France needs to go like yesterday. But that will never happen. And what's this nonsense I'm hearing about guaranteed positions? As if NASCAR doesn't have enough problems. I have to say that if NASCAR continues to circle the drain, I'm only gonna watch the following races next year: The restrictor plates Bristol Las Vegas Darlington Both Charlotte races The last three "Chase" races My overall opinion of the Chase: Absolutely reprehensible. I've never seen a worse points system. It is far too gimmicky and creates unnecessary drama just for the hell of it. NASCAR should go back to the points system they had from 2004-2010, and have any drivers that are within 500 points (up to 15th) as part of the Chase. There will be no silly eliminations. They should also change the qualifying system to this: Fastest 38 drivers make the field, regardless of points position 3 provisionals, and 1 PC provisional This should make it easier for new teams to get into Sprint Cup. And speaking of qualifying: Each driver gets one lap on road courses and tracks above 1.5 miles All other tracks: Two laps, just like the old days. For Nationwide: Fastest 36 make the field, 3 provisionals, and 1 PC provisional Sprint Cup drivers are not permitted to run more than 10 races a year. (Should really be 5-7, but let's start at something realistic, then work our way down) Here's how the caution rules should work for late-race situations: Final lap: Race to the Checker/Caution Two laps to go: Race to the White/Caution Three laps to go: Race ends under caution Four laps to go: Green/White Flag then Checkered Five laps to go: Last Red Flag Even though more households have cable, more races should air on network television, like from 2001-2002. For the Sprint Unlimited: Pole winners from the previous year, plus previous Shootout winners, like the old days. Race format: 50 laps (with 10 minute break at lap 25) For the Sprint Showdown: Segment 1: 20 laps (Anyone outside the top 15 is eliminated) Segment 2: 20 laps and winner gets into the main event (Fan vote winner can not have won the year before) All-Star Race: Segment 1: 40 laps (Bottom 4 drivers are eliminated) Segment 2: 20 laps (Non-top 10 drivers eliminated) Segment 3: 10 laps (Top 10 drivers only) Just my 0.02 1387. Alex posted: 12.06.2015 - 9:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Long Shot might agree with me... I think it's time to send an email to the webmaster about something very important. 1388. MAR posted: 12.06.2015 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Snowball derby today wish this race was televised. John Hunter will start 37th I heard Chris Bell set a track record in qualifying but his time got DQ does anyone know if he made the race through the LCQ? 1389. Opie posted: 12.06.2015 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes he did MAR, Chris won the first LCQ 1390. Tylor Thaber posted: 12.06.2015 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @1388 I'm stunned it isn't broadcasted on a local channel. The Little 500 is broadcasted, ARCA Midwest is broadcasted, quite a few short track races are shown on local channels. 1391. MAR posted: 12.06.2015 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does YouTube have any old snowball derby races? 1392. DB1995 posted: 12.06.2015 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Christopher Bell got DQ'ed. These multi million dollar teams don't need to win anyway. 1393. Anonymous posted: 12.06.2015 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 1387, is it about the quality of these boards? 1394. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 1:17 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "These multi million dollar teams don't need to win anyway." The multi million team gets DQ'd, allowing the -- you guessed it -- other multi million team to win. 1395. Alex posted: 12.07.2015 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "1387, is it about the quality of these boards? " The overall quality of the board this offseason has actually been impressive as compared to previous years. It is something else related to the board and its users... 1396. Eldrick posted: 12.07.2015 - 10:30 am Rate this comment: (2) (3) Oooooh, the suspense....... We need something to liven up this offseason, just a couple of weeks into it and already bored as hell so let us in on the big secret already. Or you can go bezerk and get banned from here. Can people even get banned since there's no way to tell who anyone really is and EVERYONE uses false names? 1397. MAR posted: 12.07.2015 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'll make an attempt to wake up the board So here it goes. 1.Better chance at making the chase Kyle Larson or Austin Dillon? 2.which chase drivers from the past season won't make the cut this season? 3. Who will win ROY in cup Elliot or Blaney? 4. Will RFR make a comeback this season? 5. Will any teams other than the big 4 and furniture Row racing win this season? 6. Will Denny Hamlin leave JGR at season end? 7. Will Kasey Kahne bounce back this season? 8. Will RCR end it's 2 year losing streak? 9.Can Kyle Busch repeat? 10. Who do you guys think will replace sprint as title sponsor? Feel free to leave opinions and friendly debate. 1398. Smiff_2 posted: 12.07.2015 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alright, I'll bite. 1) Larson. Lower downforce package will play right into his wheelhouse. 2) Gordon, by default. :P 3) Blaney, but only if he doesn't have 6+ mechanical failures. Otherwise, give it to Chase on reliability alone. 4) Not likely. 5) Ganassi or RCR, if anybody. 6) No freakin' way. Nowhere better for him to go, has no real beef with any of his current teammates. 7) Maybe, maybe not. He's so hard to pin down these days. He could be top 5 in points and win 4 races, or just have a repeat of 2015. 50/50. 8) Newman's the same, Menard's the same, Dillon's improving. Very possible. 9) Yes, but he won't in 2016. 10) It's anybody's guess. I haven't even really heard of any strong candidates. 1399. Anonymous posted: 12.07.2015 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1397 1.) Larson 2.) Besides the obvious J. Gordon, C. Bowyer 3.) Elliott 4.) Yes, but not winning more than 1 race 5.) Larson will win 6.) Kenseth will be 44, he should leave for Jones. Hamlin will leave for Suarez 7.) No, he's the weakest link at Hendrick 8.) Yes, A. Dillon will win once in 2016 9.) He can but he won't 10.) That's a tough one, I don't have an answer 1400. The Long Shot posted: 12.07.2015 - 1:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. Larson 2. Gordon, Bowyer, Menard 3. Blaney, easily 4. No 5. Yes, Ganassi and possibly a smaller team at the restrictor plates 6. Doubt it, he'll probably get another year 7. No, and he should be dumped after the year 8. Possibly with Dillon 9. I don't think he will 10. Who knows 1401. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. I think both will make it. Both ended 2015 with a lot of speed after horrible starts to the season. However, I think Larson will have the best chance. 2. Gordon obviously, and Menard. The 27 looked very slow the last 1/3 of the year. 3. If Blaney gets real Penske cars like the 2 and 22, and not Penske R&D, he will win. Otherwise, Chase will win. 4. No. I think they're headed down the Roush trajectory. 5. Possibly RCR, but definetly Ganassi. With Kauffman coming on board (remember he was basically the backbone of MWR financially) I think they will have a breakout season. 6. He shouldn't, but I feel he's the odd man out. But hopefully he doesn't leave. 7. Hendrick was down this year, so it's hard to tell. But if I had to guess, probably not. 8. They actually need to lead laps before they can do that. All 3 cars combined for a total of 62 laps this year. 9. With this crazy system, no way. 10. Totally out there. It could be anyone. For example, when I saw that Xfinity was taking over the sponsorship, I thought, "Xfinity who?" 1402. Eric posted: 12.07.2015 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1.) Kyle Larson. Ganassi has money in 2016 and the rule package is made for Larson. 2.) Jeff Gordon and Paul Menard 3.) Chase Elliott by default. Ryan Blaney is a great talent, but the 21 car seems like a R&D car for Penske. I mention R&D car because R&D cars are not known for reliablity. 4.)Only slightly. I think Stenhouse is going to improve to be top a 18th to 20th points driver, but the other 2 drivers are not going to improve all. 5.)Ganassi. Team has money 6.) Not going to happen unless Denny is forced out. I said forced out due to Erik Jones. I don't see Gibbs want Jones to take a seat outside of JGR if possible. I thought Stewart-Haas would have been the best place for Denny, but that seat is taken unless there is a sponsor issue with Danica after 2016. I'll go into it later. Rest of the seats are big downgrades for 2017 or will be start up teams. 7.) I think Kasey can. 8.) No, unless it is a plate track, fuel mileage or rain. There is two problems at RCR. The equipment isn't there at RCR in terms of horsepower. The other problem is drivers aren't good enough to win with the equipment they have. The deal is RCR has 2 drivers that could be no 2 or a number 3 driver on a better organization in Newman and Austin, but they can't completely pull what Harvick did at RCR. 9.) No. I think Kyle can be a cup champion again, but I thought Kyle lucked out last year. I think it is going to Joey Logano's year in 2016. 10.) There hasn't been any rumors on Sponsors and don't have a crystal ball for this one. 1403. Eric posted: 12.07.2015 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The reason I said sponsor issue for Danica because there is big red flags on Nature's Bakery. Danica's new Sponsor Nature's Bakery is spending way too much on how much they make in a year annually although I know what the company is trying to do. My reasoning in terms of money is Nature's Bakery makes 100 million dollars annually, but will be spending 20 million dollars on Danica a season for 20 races each season at least. I know the company is trying to expand its profits by using Danica Patrick, but this is a very risky gamble from a business sense. 1404. 88&4Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eldrick- yes people can be banned. There are only three users that I know of though that have been, unless you're counting all of biffle16's aliases as different people. 1405. 88&4Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "1.Better chance at making the chase Kyle Larson or Austin Dillon? 2.which chase drivers from the past season won't make the cut this season? 3. Who will win ROY in cup Elliot or Blaney? 4. Will RFR make a comeback this season? 5. Will any teams other than the big 4 and furniture Row racing win this season? 6. Will Denny Hamlin leave JGR at season end? 7. Will Kasey Kahne bounce back this season? 8. Will RCR end it's 2 year losing streak? 9.Can Kyle Busch repeat? 10. Who do you guys think will replace sprint as title sponsor?" 1. Dillon on consistency 2. Gordon (duh), Bowyer, Menard, maybe McMurray 3. Elliott on consistency 4. No 5. RCR might get a win or two, maybe Ganassi and Allmendinger could win a road course, and of course anyone could win a plate race 6. Doubt it 7. No 8. I hope so, Newman's due for a fluke win and Dillon could get his first win 9. Not this year 10. No idea, maybe Subway I heard they've been rumored 1406. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 2:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll add more: 11. Where will Ragan end up? 12. Will Harvick and Logano be just as dominant again next year? 13. Will Bowyer win a race with HScott(remember they have SHR equipment in 2016)? 14. Will Brian Scott go for ROTY in Cup? 15. Will there be more exciting races like 2014 with the new package? 16. Do the words "clean air" and "aero" annoy you? 17. How will Edwards and Hamlin do in 2016 with the crew cheif swap? 18. No one has won more than 7 races in a season since Hamlin won 8 in 2010. Will someone win 8+ races next year? 19. How will Gordon do in broadcasting? 20. Who will be the biggest surprise and dissapointment in 2016? 1407. 88&4Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 11. Where will Ragan end up? 12. Will Harvick and Logano be just as dominant again next year? 13. Will Bowyer win a race with HScott(remember they have SHR equipment in 2016)? 14. Will Brian Scott go for ROTY in Cup? 15. Will there be more exciting races like 2014 with the new package? 16. Do the words "clean air" and "aero" annoy you? 17. How will Edwards and Hamlin do in 2016 with the crew cheif swap? 18. No one has won more than 7 races in a season since Hamlin won 8 in 2010. Will someone win 8+ races next year? 19. How will Gordon do in broadcasting? 20. Who will be the biggest surprise and dissapointment in 2016? 11. ThorSport 12. Yeah 13. No 14. In the #9 car 15. Hopefully 16. Yes and yes 17. Edwards will do well, Hamlin will struggle a little at first but find his groove later 18. Harvick if his team stops throwing away so many races 19. Not looking forward to it 20. Surprise: Austin Dillon, Disappointment: Kasey Kahne (although I'm not sure he even qualifies as a disappointment anymore) I have a few of my own: 21. Comeback driver of the year? (If any) 22. Will the Kenseth/Logano feud carry over? 23. Will Danica show any improvement? 24. Does Jimmie Johnson continue his slide from the past few years during the chase? 25. How many drivers win a race before the chase starts? 1408. murb posted: 12.07.2015 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "1.Better chance at making the chase Kyle Larson or Austin Dillon? " Larson. "2.which chase drivers from the past season won't make the cut this season?" Not counting Gordon: Menard, and I think McMurray will run well but won't make it just because I see Kahne and Bowyer having better years. "3. Who will win ROY in cup Elliot or Blaney?" I honestly have no idea. I think it'll be the best battle since Johnson/Newman in 2002. "4. Will RFR make a comeback this season?" They won't be as bad as they were in 2015, but they still won't be even close to making a full fledged comeback. At least two of Bayne, Biffle, and Stenhouse won't return for 2017. "5. Will any teams other than the big 4 and furniture Row racing win this season?" Larson will win for Ganassi, and I think Blaney wins a plate race for the Wood Brothers. "6. Will Denny Hamlin leave JGR at season end?" I doubt it. I see Erik Jones running NXS for two years (2016, 2017), and then replacing either Kenseth or Hamlin in 2018 (my gut says Kenseth since he'll be 45+ years old by then, and I imagine he'll start to fall off at some point over the next two years - as for Hamlin, I see him sticking around there for a few more years and becoming JGR's version of Biffle basically). "7. Will Kasey Kahne bounce back this season?" I don't think he'll win much (if at all), but I see him pointing his way into the Chase and having his best year since 2012. I just have a hard time seeing him be this bad for this long, especially now that Gordon is gone and he'll probably get a little more priority over the #24 team for at least this year since Chase is a rookie. "8. Will RCR end it's 2 year losing streak?" No, lol. And I see Newman leaving at year's end (maybe for the second Furniture Row car to team with his buddy Truex), and then Ty replacing him in the #31 for 2017. "9.Can Kyle Busch repeat?" He'll be one of the three best drivers all year and I think he makes the Final Four again, but I don't see him repeating. "10. Who do you guys think will replace sprint as title sponsor?" No idea, but since we're not hearing any specific names right now I feel like it's gonna be somebody pretty surprising. 1409. TS1420 posted: 12.07.2015 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1 - Kyle Larson, since I think he will be better next season with the low-downforce package and Rob Kauffman & his money being fully integrated into the team. Though I have a feeling Dillon will probably surprise a lot of people next season. 2 - Aside from the obvious (Jeff Gordon), Menard & Bowyer 3 - Tough call. I'll go with Elliott since he is taking over a full-fledged super-team car and will be groomed as the future of the team and not a satellite effort for a team full of other young drivers like Blaney. 4 - No. I doubt Roush ever gets back to being a top team. If I was Chris Buescher I'd be planning my escape to a better team. 5 - I could see Ganassi & Childress each picking up a win next season. But it will pretty much be the status quo of this season. 6 - I see Kenseth announcing 2017 being his last season before this happens. 7 - Kasey's always been a super streaky driver with his luck favoring bad most of the time. I could see him picking him a few wins but ultimately doing nothing much else the rest of the season. 8 - I say yes. Dillon has been getting better and Newman is due for one of his out-of-the-blue wins. 9 - No. 10 - Some signs kind of point to Budweiser (giving up sponsorship of the duels and cutting back/moving Harvick to the Busch brand), but it will probably be something underwhelming & unknown like Arris. 1410. murb posted: 12.07.2015 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "11. Where will Ragan end up?" Not sure, but right now it seems like it'll be the #98 truck. "12. Will Harvick and Logano be just as dominant again next year?" I think Logano comes out with a massive chip on his shoulder after the Kenseth ordeal in the Chase, and I think Harvick takes a slight step back after losing his race engineer to Stewart. "13. Will Bowyer win a race with HScott(remember they have SHR equipment in 2016)?" No, but I think he'll point his way into the Chase and show flashes of contention. "14. Will Brian Scott go for ROTY in Cup?" If he gets the #9 car, yeah. He won't come close to Elliott or Blaney though. "15. Will there be more exciting races like 2014 with the new package?" KENTUCKY was one of my top five favorite races of this year, so I think we will. "16. Do the words "clean air" and "aero" annoy you?" I don't know or really care. "17. How will Edwards and Hamlin do in 2016 with the crew cheif swap?" I think Edwards will be even better than he was this year (if his career trends continue, this should be a year where he bounces back as a semi-big/big contender), and I think Hamlin will be about the same as 2015. "18. No one has won more than 7 races in a season since Hamlin won 8 in 2010. Will someone win 8+ races next year?" I'll be posting my race-by-race predictions shortly so I don't want to spoil it, but, yeah, I have somebody winning 8. "19. How will Gordon do in broadcasting?" Pretty good. He and Darrell will be pretty fun together. "20. Who will be the biggest surprise and dissapointment in 2016?" Surprise: Erik Jones in the Cup races he runs. Disappointment: Kenseth will revert back to his 2014 invisible man routine. "21. Comeback driver of the year? (If any)" I don't really see anybody "coming back". "22. Will the Kenseth/Logano feud carry over?" Doubt it, though after the last two years I'm sure we'll see a brand new one with two new people (and I'm sure Kevin "Eddie Haskell" Harvick will be involved in it in some shape or form). "23. Will Danica show any improvement?" With her third crew chief in three years? No, not at all. She'll probably have another surprising top ten or top five run like she had at Kansas, but other than that she'll be horrendous yet again. "24. Does Jimmie Johnson continue his slide from the past few years during the chase?" I don't think he'll win very many races at all, but I think he'll be there in the Chase. 25. How many drivers win a race before the chase starts? Alright, I'm just gonna post my 2016 Race-By-Race predictions when I get a free minute. I've got everything like this covered in it. 1411. racefangurl posted: 12.07.2015 - 4:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) 1408, I think Biffle won't be back because he'll retire. Biffle's retirement and one of the young guys gone is what I guess. 1412. murb posted: 12.07.2015 - 5:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Alright, 2016 Race-By-Race and Chase Standings Predictions... Daytona 500: Kyle Busch Atlanta: Brad Keselowski Las Vegas: Carl Edwards Phoenix: Joey Logano Fontana: Kyle Larson Martinsville: Dale Earnhardt Jr Texas: Joey Logano (2) Bristol: Kyle Larson (2) Richmond: Denny Hamlin Talladega: Ryan Blaney Kansas: Brad Keselowski (2) Dover: Kyle Busch (2) All Star: Joey Logano Charlotte 600: Martin Truex Jr Pocono: Joey Logano (3) Michigan: Carl Edwards (2) Sonoma: Kevin Harvick Daytona: Jimmie Johnson Kentucky: Joey Logano (4) New Hampshire: Matt Kenseth Indianapolis: Joey Logano (5) Pocono: Kyle Busch (3) Watkins Glen: Kevin Harvick (2) Bristol: Brad Keselowski (3) Michigan: Kurt Busch Southern 500 at Darlington: Joey Logano (6) Richmond: Carl Edwards (3) Chicagoland: Kyle Busch (4) New Hampshire: Martin Truex Jr (2) Dover: Joey Logano (7) Charlotte: Erik Jones Kansas: Brad Keselowski (4) Talladega: Jimmie Johnson (2) Martinsville: Tony Stewart (with help from rain/pit strategy/deus ex machina/whatever) Texas: Joey Logano (8) Phoenix: Jamie McMurray Homestead: Kyle Larson (3) Final Standings 1. Joey Logano 2. Kyle Busch 3. Brad Keselowski 4. Jimmie Johnson â?" 5. Carl Edwards (Eliminated at Phoenix) 6. Dale Earnhardt Jr (Eliminated at Phoenix) 7. Kevin Harvick (Eliminated at Phoenix) 8. Martin Truex Jr (Eliminated at Phoenix) â?" 9. Kyle Larson (Eliminated at Talladega) 10. Denny Hamlin (Eliminated at Talladega) 11. Kurt Busch (Eliminated at Talladega) 12. Kasey Kahne (Made Chase on points, Eliminated at Talladega) â?" 13. Matt Kenseth (Eliminated at Dover) 14. Ryan Blaney (Eliminated at Dover) 15. Chase Elliott (Made Chase on points, Eliminated at Dover) 16. Clint Bowyer (Made Chase on points, Eliminated at Dover) 1413. Driver X posted: 12.07.2015 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @1397 1. Austin Dillon (Will run well enough in 2016 to sneak in) 2. Besides Gordon (for obvious reasons) Bowyer, Menard 3. Tough call, but going to go with Chase Elliott. 4. Possibly, I can see them making one last run. Stenhouse will probably finish in the top 20 in points, Biffle may pull a fluke fuel-mileage victory somewhere, and Trevor Bayne will run better. 5. Yes. RCR and Ganassi will pull a surprise victory somewhere. 6. No. 7. Yes, and possibly pull a Newman and sneak in to the Championship 4, but he won't win this year. 8. Yes. Austin Dillon will be the guy that will end that streak, and it will be talked about to death. 9. He will probably make the Championship 4, but he won't repeat. 10. I don't know. @1406 11. Probably in the Truck series. IMO, I think he's all but done in Cup. 12. They will win races, but not be near as dominant as last year. 13. No. His year will be like the one before it. 14. If he gets the 9 car, he may have some good runs, but he won't contend for ROTY. 15. Yes. 16. Kinda. 17. I think that Edwards will be part of the Championship 4. Whether he wins the title, I don't know. Hamlin will make the chase, but not past the eliminator 8. 18. Yes. Someone MAY win 9 races this year. But they won't win the championship. 19. He should do pretty good. 20. Biggest Surprise: Tony Stewart (It's his last season, and I can see him winning 2-3 races and contending for the championship.) Biggest Disappointment: Brad Keselowski (I don't see him winning a race this year.) 1414. Driver X posted: 12.07.2015 - 5:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1407 21. Comeback Driver of the Year: Tony Stewart See post 1413. 22. No. I think the feud is over and done with. 23. No. She'll finish with a couple top 10s and a top 5 at a restrictor plate track, but she'll struggle like hell at the other tracks. 24. I don't think so. He won't win as many races as years past, but he will be in the Championship 4 based on consistency. 25. I'll make my projections later this evening. 1415. Big Mac Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 21. Not really sure. I would say Stewart, but I don't see it happening. 22. It's over. If it was still going, we would have saw something at Homestead, and we didn't. 23. Two top ten's and a solid top 30 points finish. 24. The dominance is most likely over, so the 48 will go from winning to being consistent. With no trouble, Johnson should make the final 4. 25. Considering that winning was concentrated among the lowest number of teams in 50 years, I'm going to say 10 or less. 1416. 88&4Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "A solid top 30 points finish" Good one 1417. Sean posted: 12.07.2015 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. Larson 2. Gordon, Menard, Bowyer 3. Elliott - #21 won't be Penske-caliber 4. no, more likely to never win a race again 5. yes, but it'll only be about 2 races 6. no, more likely Kenseth 7. yes, by default and Elliott replacing Gordon should adjust the balance of power at Hendrick 8. no 9. In all likelihood, no, since it's totally random-inducing 10. Telmex or some telecom company owned by Carlos Slim. Telecom seems to be the new tobacco in racing, Slim has poured TONS of money into it paying to support Mexican drivers (Sergio Perez, Memo Rojas, German Quiroga through his NET10 Wireless brand). They might choose TracFone branding since the name is more accepted as 'American'. And for better or worse, he would likely push Cup to add a race in Mexico City. He might be the only guy with the willingness to spend the big time money that NASCAR expects (and has already stepped a toe in lately). 11. ThorSport truck, and that's a downgrade for them too. I don't think he'll do as well as even Sauter did. I think they could do better than him (example: Regan Smith) 12. Logano yes, Harvick no. Harvick takes his first steps down as Hendrick/Stewart-Haas adjust to Gordon and Stewart's retirements. Harvick will still win and dominate some races, but no longer be the dominant force, which will clearly shift to Logano. 13. No and he won't make the top 20 in points either. Allgaier had Hendrick engines too, and lots of mediocre teams with Hendrick engines have done nothing, even with better drivers (Kurt Busch) 14. Only if he gets a full-time ride 15. Probably marginal 16. I'm past caring what announcers say for the most part 17. Neither will improve. Kenseth being much older and much faster than them is not a good sign. 18. Yes, and most seasons to come. Very few serious Cup talents are emerging, the Gen-X veterans are in there last 5 years, and I expect Brad/Joey/Kyle to pretty much alternate 8 win seasons from here on out, and expect all of them to score 5 wins most seasons from now on as well. 19. He'll be pretty dull like Jeff Burton, not a travesty (Waltrip brother/Rusty Wallace) but not exciting either (Parsons/Jarrett). 20. Surprise: Jamie McMurray will have a bit of a resurgence. Disappointment: Martin Truex will be unable to repeat this year for the rest of his career, and deciding to be Gibbs car #5 instead of Childress car #1 is a bad mistake. 21. Kasey Kahne is the only real option. He'll return to the chase but probably still won't win. 2016 might echo Junior's 2011 the way Kahne's 2014-2015 echoed Junior's 2009-2010. 22. No. Kenseth is about done as a championship contender (but still could get lucky chase-wise) and Logano will probably ignore him. 23. No. 24. Not really. He is starting his fade as his peers also are (I expect Kenseth, Junior, and Harvick will all start 'fading' no more/no less than he has, but since this is continuing to diminish the field as well, races will be easier to win so he might not end up winning much less at all. But Kyle/Brad/Joey will pick up for the next 5 years. 25. Probably only 9 or 10 and it's going to keep getting smaller. I really DON'T see even Blaney/Elliott/Jones/Larson as future major stars because they're not doing well enough against the Cup drivers in Xfinity (okay, Blaney kind of is) in the same equipment, while the guys who eventually became usual stars (Junior, Kenseth, Harvick, Biffle, Ky. Busch) did. Johnson, Junior, Harvick, Busch, Logano, Keselowski, Busch, 2 of (Edwards, Hamlin, Kenseth) Wouldn't be surprised if those were the only winners before the chase. I almost expect it. I do think McMurray or Larson will break in somewhere though, and both will make the chase on points. 1418. Sean posted: 12.07.2015 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "15. Probably marginal" I meant there will probably be marginally more exciting races than last year, but I don't think the racing on cookie-cutters is going to change much. "in there last 5 years" That was supposed to be in their last 5 years. Eyeroll. 1419. 88&4Fan posted: 12.07.2015 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Okay, the thumbs downs are really out of control today. 1420. Eric posted: 12.07.2015 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 11.) David is going to ThorSport truck. 12.) Logano is going to be dominate again, but I didn't think Kevin is going to be as dominate. My thinking is 2 reasons. Tony Stewart's new crew chief actually actually worked on the 4 team last year as a race engineer and I am guessing that would hurt the 4 team a little bit. The 2nd thing is Kevin Harvick turned 40 this month. The last time a cup driver led over 2000 laps a season over the age of 40 was Dale Jarrett in 1997. 13.) No, the organization isn't strong enough and having Arnett as a teammate for next year isn't going to help matters. 14.) I see Brian Scott in cup next year. The only question is if it is the 9 or a front row car, but I don't see win winning the Rookie of the year either way. I said Front Row due to a rumor on Jayski that Front Row could be going to RCR and Scott would be a driver for the team with sponsorship. 15.) Might be a some tracks like Kentucky showed. I don't think NASCAR went fair enough though. 16.) I am very annoyed with the terms "areo push" and "clear air". I heard that term way too much in the last 15 to 20 years. 17.) I don't think it will do much. My reasoning is Denny isn't quite the same driver since his 2013 Auto Club Speedway crash. Carl Edwards isn't as faster the older Matt Kenseth and Carl's ability didn't increase a lot to going to JGR from Rush unlike Matt. 18.) Yes and more to come in future years. What is happening now is what happened in the late 1990's by taking a look at 1996 to 1998 era carefully. What happened was key drivers from the Darrell Waltrip/Dale Sr era was retired, or were in their 40's when Jeff won at least 10 races for 3 straight seasons. The big difference this time is the driver development in the late 90's and early 2000's were better than it is now. 19.) I think he'll be average. I didn't like Jeff in terms of his announcing Xfinity races as much as Kevin Harvick. Having Jeff in the both with Darrell Waltrip is not good for Jeff. I thought Jeff needs more of a person like a Ned Jarrett, the late Benny Parsons, or the late Buddy Baker to take Jeff Gordon under their wring. 20.) I think Jammie is going to a have a resurgence and I think Truex will be a disappointment. My reasoning is the 78 car switched to Toyota and I expect growing pains. 21.) Kasey is the only option. 22.) No. My reasoning is this would a Dale Sr. vs Jeff Gordon feud do one of the drivers being so much younger. The best way to put it is Matt graduated from high school the year Joey was born! The Dale Sr. feud was overrated due 1995 was the only true year they had a battle. What happened was a combination of things including Dale being 20 years older than Jeff and the injuries from the summer 1996 Talladega wreck. 23.)No. The talent isn't there for Danica to improvement cup. 24.) Not really. While Jimmie has seen his better years, I see him be closer to the 1991 to 1995 era Dale Sr. for a couple reasons. A lot of of Jimmies competitors are in their 40's also. 25.) 9 to 10 drivers. 1421. Sector posted: 12.07.2015 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) All I'll say is, my prediction for 2016 is that either Carl Edwards or Joey Logano will win. Joey Logano may finally break through for that championship and Carl Edwards will be a nightmare in 2017. I would like to see that record of 7 straight years of different champions to happen. The most was 6, from 1999 to 2004 (Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth & Kurt Busch). Right now we're at five since 2011 (Tony Stewart, Brad Keselowski, Jimmie Johnson, Kevin Harvick & Kyle Busch). 1422. murb posted: 12.08.2015 - 2:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really DON'T see even Blaney/Elliott/Jones/Larson as future major stars because they're not doing well enough against the Cup drivers in Xfinity" I think Jones is almost undoubtedly a superstar in the making at this point. I've seriously never seen a 19 year old kid come in and look this good right away. If he's this far along at 19, I can't imagine what he's gonna be another five years or so from now in Cup (I'll call it five years because that's how long it took Logano to truly come into form, and Jones at 19 makes Logano at 19 look like Nur Ali) once he gets used to the Cup cars (which I don't think will take long as he already looked pretty fast in his Cup runs this year, most notably at Kansas before he wrecked). He's probably the most "sure thing" young driver that I've ever seen come along. And I think all three of the other guys will have great careers too. I've sort of cooled off a little on Larson over the last year or so (meaning, no he's not the next Gordon or Stewart), but I still see him having a nice 20 or so win career (basically, a better Kahne) and being one of the primary second-tier guys of the next era. Assuming Logano/Keselowski/Kyle Busch/Erik Jones dominate the next decade (I know it's super early to put Jones in there, but I seriously think he's gonna be that good relatively quickly), I think Larson will have his fair share of success as well as I think he's probably one of the two or three most talented out of him, Blaney, Elliott, Buescher, Bubba Wallace, Suarez, the Dillons, etc (assuming those will all be the next second-tier guys). And then between Blaney and Elliott, I REALLY have no idea who's gonna be better in the long run. Right now I'd definitely have Blaney ahead (out of all the young guys, I think he's second behind Jones as far as talent/potential goes), but over the next couple of years, I have no idea. I wasn't impressed with Chase in NXS this year, but there's a lot of factors that make me think it was just a weird one-off year for him (new crew chief, reigning champion hangover, was promised the #24 Cup ride before the season even started so it's not like he had a super huge incentive to drive out of his mind for job security or something). Obviously Blaney has more experience now in Cup cars, and I think that gives him a slight upper hand in the ROTY battle (assuming he doesn't just get Penske R/D equipment, but since they're running full time now I have to think there will be less of that - but again, I really don't know, and I think it'll truly be the most exciting ROTY battle since Johnson/Newman), but career-wise, I'm not sure at all which one of them will be better. 1423. Captain51 posted: 12.08.2015 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As there isn't much going on in the NASCAR world, these haven't been too bad. 1.Better chance at making the chase Kyle Larson or Austin Dillon? Based on the rules package, Kyle Larson 2.which chase drivers from the past season won't make the cut this season? Have to go with Paul Menard if it's down to one 3. Who will win ROY in cup Elliot or Blaney? Going to be incredibly close. I'll go with Blaney 4. Will RFR make a comeback this season? Comeback? Unfortunately no. Could they have noticeable improvement? Yes 5. Will any teams other than the big 4 and furniture Row racing win this season? Absolutely. My specific pick is Allmendinger at a road course 6. Will Denny Hamlin leave JGR at season end? Not sure why he would. I don't see any alternatives that would be a step UP 7. Will Kasey Kahne bounce back this season? I believe that the rules package will benefit him. He'll win. So I guess that would be a bounce back to normal Kahne 8. Will RCR end it's 2 year losing streak? In some way or another, yes. 9.Can Kyle Busch repeat? Can he? You BET he can. Will he? We won't have any idea for a year 10. Who do you guys think will replace sprint as title sponsor? I hadn't heard anything specific, but something that I heard was that it could be a company that deals with natural energy/ natural gas/ telecommunications (think about Arris) 11. Where will Ragan end up? He didn't help himself this year. I think he would be a good fit in the truck series 12. Will Harvick and Logano be just as dominant again next year? Yes 13. Will Bowyer win a race with HScott(remember they have SHR equipment in 2016)? Didn't know they had SHR equipment. I thought they continued their Hendrick alliance. But if that's the case, he'll have a season similar to that of Kurt Busch with Furniture Row in '13 14. Will Brian Scott go for ROTY in Cup? If it's true that Front Row is switching to Chevrolet to work with RCR, as long as Scott is eligible for the award, I could see him running for it 15. Will there be more exciting races like 2014 with the new package? *see Darlington* 16. Do the words "clean air" and "aero" annoy you? When they involve the trash aero package, yes. I hope that with the new rules package, clean air won't be as big of an idea 17. How will Edwards and Hamlin do in 2016 with the crew cheif swap? Hamlin has worked with Wheeler before. He should be fine. Edwards has someone experienced with Dave Rogers. They'll both be fine 18. No one has won more than 7 races in a season since Hamlin won 8 in 2010. Will someone win 8+ races next year? If it happens, their car number will likely be: 22,4,48 19. How will Gordon do in broadcasting? This is my opinion, but hopefully better than the couple races he did in 2015. He wasn't that great. 20. Who will be the biggest surprise and dissapointment in 2016? Brian France. Hands down. I honestly have no idea how things are going to look with this new rules package, so I can't predict those things. Following next year, I'd be able to tell you the biggest surprise and disappointment of 2016 1424. Sector posted: 12.08.2015 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I need my memory refreshed, but was the rule package this year very similar to the Xfinity series? If it is, I could see very well why the likes of Kevin Harvick, Kyle Busch & Joey Logano were on the ball this year, and Brad Keselowski only being strong late into the season was a question since he is probably the 2nd most winning driver in that series right now to Kyle Busch. I think it's very fitting that Kyle won the championship this year if that's the case. 1425. Driver X posted: 12.08.2015 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 2016 Race By Race and Chase Projections Daytona: Kevin Harvick Atlanta: Jimmie Johnson Las Vegas: Tony Stewart Phoenix: Kevin Harvick (2) Auto Club: Kyle Larson Martinsville: Jimmie Johnson (2) Texas: Kevin Harvick (3) Bristol: Carl Edwards Richmond: Kyle Busch Talladega: Chase Elliott Kansas: Denny Hamlin Dover: Kevin Harvick (4) Charlotte: Greg Biffle (fuel mileage) Pocono: Kevin Harvick (5) Michigan: Austin Dillon Sonoma: Kevin Harvick (6) Daytona: Ryan Blaney Kentucky: Carl Edwards (2) New Hampshire: Kyle Busch (2) Indianapolis: Kevin Harvick (7) Pocono: Denny Hamlin (2) Watkins Glen: Kevin Harvick (8) Michigan: Jimmie Johnson (3) Bristol: Matt Kenseth Darlington: Tony Stewart (2) Richmond: Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chicagoland: Kyle Larson (2) New Hampshire: Dale Earnhardt Jr. (2) Dover: Jimmie Johnson (4) Eliminated: Greg Biffle, Ryan Newman, Austin Dillon, Ryan Blaney Charlotte: Jimmie Johnson (5) Kansas: Joey Logano (1) Talladega: Dale Earnhardt Jr. (3) Eliminated: Kevin Harvick, Chase Elliott, Matt Kenseth, Denny Hamlin Martinsville: Joey Logano (2) Texas: Carl Edwards (3) Phoenix: Kevin Harvick (9) Eliminated: Tony Stewart, Brad Keselowski, Kasey Kahne, Kyle Busch Homestead: Erik Jones Champion: Jimmie Johnson Final Four: Jimmie Johnson, Joey Logano, Carl Edwards, Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1426. Driver X posted: 12.08.2015 - 8:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) EDIT: Kyle Larson in place of Matt Kenseth on the second elimination line. And 17th through 20th: Kurt Busch Clint Bowyer Ryan Newman Matt Kenseth 1427. 88&4Fan posted: 12.08.2015 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Race-by-race predictions (picks and final standings may differ slightly from my picks that I made right after Homestead) Shootout: Dale Earnhardt, Jr. Daytona: Kevin Harvick Atlanta: Jimmie Johnson Las Vegas: Denny Hamlin Phoenix: Kevin Harvick (2) Auto Club: Kyle Larson Martinsville: Jimmie Johnson (2) Texas: Joey Logano (2) Talladega: Dale Earnhardt, Jr. Bristol: Brad Keselowski Richmond: Joey Logano (3) Kansas: Matt Kenseth Dover: Jimmie Johnson (3) All Star Race: Joey Logano Charlotte: Jimmie Johnson (4) Pocono: Kurt Busch Michigan: Austin Dillon Sonoma: AJ Allmendinger Daytona: Ryan Newman Kentucky: Joey Logano (4) Loudon: Martin Truex, Jr. Indianapolis: Jimmie Johnson (5) Pocono: Kyle Larson (2) Watkins Glen: Kyle Busch Bristol: Kyle Busch (2) Michigan: Brad Keselowski (2) Darlington: Denny Hamlin (2) Richmond: Denny Hamlin (3) Chicago: Carl Edwards Loudon: Denny Hamlin Dover: Kyle Busch Charlotte: Jimmie Johnson Kansas: Brad Keselowski Talladega: Dale Earnhardt, Jr. Martinsville: Jimmie Johnson Texas: Kevin Harvick Phoenix: Kevin Harvick Homestead: Kyle Larson The Chase: 1. Jimmie Johnson (5) 2. Joey Logano (4) 3. Denny Hamlin (3) 4. Kevin Harvick (2) 5. Kyle Larson (2) 6. Kyle Busch (2) 7. Brad Keselowski (2) 8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (1) 9. Matt Kenseth (1) 10. Kurt Busch (1) 11. Austin Dillon (1) 12. AJ Allmendinger (1) 13. Ryan Newman (1) 14. Martin Truex, Jr. (1) 15. Carl Edwards (Points) 16. Chase Elliott (Points) Round 1 Eliminations: Allmendinger, Truex, Jr., Elliott, Dillon Round 2 Eliminations: Larson, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch, Hamlin Round 3 Eliminations: Newman, Kenseth, Keselowski, Earnhardt, Jr. Top 4: 1. Logano 2. Edwards 3. Harvick 4. Johnson 1428. David posted: 12.09.2015 - 12:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jayski reports that Brian Scott will take over the #9 car next year. 1429. Tide1732 posted: 12.09.2015 - 5:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My 2016 Predictions Can-Am 1: Matt Kenseth Can-Am 2: Jimmie Johnson Shootout: Kevin Harvick Daytona: Kyle Busch Atlanta: Dale Earnhardt Jr. Las Vegas: Kevin Harvick Phoenix: Kevin Harvick (2) Auto Club: Clint Bowyer (Only Victory In 2016) Martinsville: Joey Logano Texas: Austin Dillon Talladega: Kevin Harvick (3) Bristol: Brad Keselowski Richmond: Jimmie Johnson Kansas: Chase Elliott Dover: Kyle Busch (2) All Star Race: Matt Kenseth Charlotte: Chase Elliott (2) Pocono: Kurt Busch Michigan: Matt Kenseth Sonoma: Kevin Harvick Daytona: Kyle Busch (3) Kentucky: Kyle Busch (4) Loudon: Greg Biffle Indianapolis: Brad Keselowski (2) Pocono: Kyle Busch (5) Watkins Glen: Matt Kenseth (2) Bristol: Kevin Harvick (4) Michigan: Kurt Busch Darlington: Denny Hamlin Richmond: Joey Logano (2) Chicago: Joey Logano (3) Loudon: Carl Edwards Dover: Jimmie Johnson (2) Charlotte: Kyle Busch (6) Kansas: Chase Elliott (3) Talladega: Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (2) Martinsville: Joey Logano (3) Texas: Brad Keselowski (3) Phoenix: Kevin Harvick (5) Homestead: Jimmie Johnson (3) Round 1 Eliminated: Chases 1- Kyle Busch (6) 2- Kevin Harvick (5) 3- Jimmie Johnson (3) 4- Joey Logano (3) 5- Chase Elliott (3) 6- Brad Keselowski (3) 7- Matt Kenseth (2) 8- Dale Earnhardt Jr. (2) 9- Austin Dillon (1) 10- Denny Hamilin (1) 11- Kurt Busch (1) 12- Clint Bowyer (1) 13- Greg Biffle (1) 14- Kasey Kahne (Points) 15- Kyle Larson (Points) 16- Martin Truex Jr. (Points) Round 1 Eliminations: Dillon,Truex Jr.,Biffle,Larson Round 2 Eliminations: Hamilin,Kahne,Bowyer,Edwards Round 3 Eliminations: Keselowski,Harvick,Elliott,Kenseth Top 4: Jimmie Johnson -1 Kyle Busch -2 Joey Logano -3 Dale Earnhardt Jr. -4 1430. Minnowfur posted: 12.09.2015 - 9:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I wonder what are the top 20 cup prospects 1431. C posted: 12.09.2015 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1430 I don't remember what page it's on but I along with a bunch of other users made a top 25 1432. Anonymous posted: 12.10.2015 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Biffle, if he had a runny nose, he might sniffle. 1433. Ak47 posted: 12.10.2015 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The latest rookie announcements have got me thinking, will Cup even be able to fill its field next year? By my count, even if all the garbage teams return in the same capacity, the field will fall short of 43 for a typical race Hendrick 4 Gibbs 8 SHR 12 RFR 15 Childress 18 Penske 20 Ganassi 22 RPM 24 FRM 26 HScott 28 Mears Blaney Truex Dinger 32...thats all the legit teams. If you add Alex Bowman, 3 BK cars (seems unlikely), 2 "Premium" cars (also doubtful), the 32, the 33, and Cassill in the 40, thats still only 41 cars, and as you can see 10 of those don't add any competitiveness to the field. Gone are the days when people WANT to start up Nascar teams it seems. 1434. Tyson posted: 12.10.2015 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I actually do think we'll have the two Premium cars back as well as the three BK Racing cars, plus I think we'll see RCR pull in either a fourth full-time car for Ty Dillon or have Germain Racing field a second car for him. That gives us 42 full-time teams plus the 95, 44 (if we ever see them again) and I wouldn't be surprised to see a third Front Row car every now and then. Not the most solid lineup, but I think NASCAR will find a way to keep stringing together a 43-car field. 1435. 88&4Fan posted: 12.10.2015 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also don't be surprised to see some of the smaller teams pull out some part time S&P cars like BK Racing and Tommy Baldwin did in 2013 to keep the fields full. 1436. C posted: 12.13.2015 - 12:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know there will be more, but right now only 34 cars are looked in for next year? 1437. Jason Gilstrap posted: 12.13.2015 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) *dabs* 1438. 88&4Fan posted: 12.13.2015 - 7:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The good news: my Skins beat Da Bears today. The bad news: its becoming more and more likely that if we make the playoffs, we're going to be matched up against the Seahawks AGAIN. 1439. Scott B posted: 12.14.2015 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I know there will be more, but right now only 34 cars are looked in for next year?" BK and Premium, until I hear otherwise, I will assume are coming back at the same level to start 2016. So that represents 5 probable, but not confirmed, entries. Leavine Family Racing appears to be waiting on a decision on how the charter proposal is going to work. They'll be back part time at least, but could go full time if that's what they need to do to be grandfathered in for the future. They've said they'd have to outsource some of the prep work if they wanted to run full time in 2016, as they aren't staffed for that. I'm guessing 40 or 41 full time teams. Field-filler game could get interesting at places like Pocano that don't usually attract a lot of extra entries. 1440. 88&4Fan posted: 12.16.2015 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How come every time I try to post a comment that has a link in it it won't post? Is this also happening with the rest of you? 1441. Mike posted: 12.16.2015 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Comments with links don't post right away - I think they get withheld to ensure they're not spam. 1442. 88&4Fan posted: 12.16.2015 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The top five things I will remember about the 2015 season: 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcn3RzofusQ 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML58B5o-YUU 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe7YunsEg2M 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFxuIrvYu5k 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7Y3Q-pgac 1443. Jason Gilstrap posted: 12.19.2015 - 7:48 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) She gets to see Clifford and Davey again. My prayers for the entire Allison family. She was truly a cornerstone for them through some of the worst times any family can ever go through. Her strength and grace will always be remembered. 1444. dennyfan11 posted: 12.19.2015 - 4:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RIP Judy. Prayers to the Allison family. 1445. 88&4Fan posted: 12.20.2015 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My man Kirk Cousins is just tearing it UP against the Bills today. And yes, I like that. 1446. Jason Gilstrap posted: 12.20.2015 - 4:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) *has heart attack then dabs* 1447. Alex posted: 12.20.2015 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Kind of appropriate that both QBs who have ascended to succeed Peyton Manning (Luck in Indy, Osweiler in Denver) are also choke artists. 1448. 88&4Fan posted: 12.20.2015 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I wouldn't necessarily say that. It isn't Osweiler's fault that Vernon Davis doesn't know how to catch a pass when it matters, and Andrew Luck just has an awful team around him in general. 1449. Anonymous posted: 12.21.2015 - 7:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I wouldn't necessarily say that. It isn't Osweiler's fault that Vernon Davis doesn't know how to catch a pass when it matters, and Andrew Luck just has an awful team around him in general." Are the players around Andrew Luck really any worse than the players around Cam Newton? Freaking Ted Ginn is Newton's number one wide receiver. If Newton can succeed with so little talent around him, then Luck should also be able to as well if he's even half as good as he's hyped up to be. Therein lies the problem - he's not. 1450. 88&4Fan posted: 12.21.2015 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since we were talking a while ago on this page about comparisons between NASCAR drivers and athletes from other sports, I thought I would throw this out there. First of all, I'm glad that the NFL suspended Odell Beckham after Sunday's game. I personally feel like it should've been more than one game, at least the rest of the season, but I'm a Redskins fan, so I'm biased. Anyway, watching the highlights of the Panthers-Giants game, more specifically the one where Beckham ran head-first at Josh Norman and aimed for his neck, reminded me of the behavior of a certain NASCAR driver. A little over four years ago, said driver took his anger out on a fellow competitor by intentionally slamming him into the wall at over 150 mph and was promptly suspended for it for the next cup race. Yes, I am talking about Kyle Busch. In fact, Beckham reminds me exactly of a young Kyle Busch. He has all the talent in the world, but he is an immature punk (to put it nicely). His career could either go in one of two directions: he either learns and is a force in the league for years to come, or doesn't learn and suffers through "What Could Have Been." This, to me, sounds EXACTLY like what people were saying about Kyle Busch following the 2011 season. Thoughts? 1451. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 12.22.2015 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) ^ I'll agree on a basic sense but it reminded me more of what the guy in the 20 car did a Martinsville too Lagano. In my opinion both Norman and Beckham Jr. should have been launched after the 2nd time it happened between them. But NFL refs have no b@ll$ too do that. And the NFL is inconsistent, as much so as NASCAR is. And both make up stuff as they go along (though NASCAR is better at handing out penalties and taking are of their athletes.) 1452. cjs3872 posted: 12.22.2015 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sorry I'm VERY late to the party guys, but here's one very big irony about this race. I'm not sure anyone's mentioned this in any prior posting, but not counting the 1992 finale at Atlanta, both the first race and final race of Jeff Gordon;s career as a full-time Cup driver had eerily similar results. Both his first race as a full-time driver, the 1993 Daytona 500, and his final race were in the state of Florida, and both were won by the exact same team, the JGR #18. Dale Jarrett won the 1993 Daytona 500 in the #18 car for Gibbs, and Kyle Busch won this race, Jeff's last, also in the JGR #18. And even Gordon's own results were eerily similar. He led early in that Daytona 500 in '93, just as he did in this race, and had very similar finishing positions. He was fifth in the '93 Daytona 500 for his first top five and top ten finish, and he was sixth in this race, only one spot behind his finish in his first race as a full-time driver for his final top ten finish. Of course, Kyle Busch winning the championship despite missing the first 11 races is one of the biggest travesties in the history of the sport, and one thing a lot of fans were secretly hoping would happen, if only to demonstrate just what a sham the current Chase format has made the championship into. Now I'm not saying Kyle wasn't among the best in the races he competed in, because once he got in the #18 car, he was probably the best out there, though both Joey Logano and Kevin Harvick were right up there with him. But there should be no way a driver can miss practically one-third of the season and still wind up as the champion, and the fact that he did shows just what a joke the current Chase eligibility requirements truly are. This is exactly why I prefer that, if NASCAR is going to have a Chase, that it should be the way it was from 2004-'13, and that is the top 10-12 drivers for the first 26 races being the ones to make the Chase, or when they had the Wild Cards from 2011-'13, make it so that a driver had to be in the top 20 to be eligible to make the Chase. But I will also say that Kyle Busch's championship once again validates the theory that the Brickyard 400, as dull of a race as it might be, has again proven to be the predictor of who the best of the best are, because the Indianapolis Motor Speedway demands that a team be the best everywhere in order to succeed. The Brickyard 400 may not be the best race, but much like major championships often do in golf (particularly the U.S. Open), it identifies who the best driver and team really are. Look at those that have won the Brickyard 400, and with only one exception I can think of (Paul Menard in 2011), it has always identified who the best of the best in NASCAR really are. 1453. Steve Harvey posted: 12.24.2015 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Happy Easter! 1454. 88&4Fan posted: 12.25.2015 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Merry Christmas everyone! 1455. 88&4Fan posted: 12.26.2015 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) YESSSSSSSSSSS!!! We're going to the PLAYOFFS!!! YOU LIKE THAT! YOU LIKE THAT! 1456. Alex posted: 12.27.2015 - 7:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) #HTTR 1457. dennyfan11 posted: 12.29.2015 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What a slow offseason this year has been. Very little big news. 1458. 88&4Fan posted: 12.29.2015 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To wake up the board: Here is in my opinion the best team in NASCAR every year since 2000 2000: Joe Gibbs Racing 2001: Robert Yates Racing 2002: Roush Racing2008: Roush Racing 2003: Hendrick Motorsports 2004: Hendrick Motorsports 2005: Roush Racing 2006: Richard Childress Racing 2007: Hendrick Motorsports 2008: Roush Racing 2009: Hendrick Motorsports 2010: Richard Childress Racing 2011: Hendrick Motorsports 2012: Roush Racing 2013: Michael Waltrip Racing (lol jk) Hendrick Motorsports 2014: Hendrick Motorsports 2015: Joe Gibbs Racing 1459. MAR posted: 12.29.2015 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2000 JGR 2001 Hendrick 2002 Roush 2003 Hendrick 2004 Hendrick 2005 Roush 2006 Hendrick 2007 Hendrick 2008 JGR, Hendrick, Roush 2009 Hendrick 2010 JGR 2011 Roush 2012 Hendrick 2013 JGR 2014 Penske 2015 JGR 1460. racefangurl posted: 12.29.2015 - 10:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1457, big new is in the eye of the beholder. 1461. 88&4Fan posted: 12.31.2015 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Less than an hour until this crappy year is finally over... 1462. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.01.2016 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) We continue to get farther away from the 20th century. 16 years ago was 2000. 16 years before that was 1984. Let that sink in for a moment. Happy New Year. 1463. 88&4Fan posted: 01.01.2016 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, 2016. To put things into perspective, this will be my tenth year of watching NASCAR. I was born in 1998. I have now been a NASCAR fan for over half of my life. And since it would be essentially impossible for things to get any worse than they were last year (not just the NASCAR season, but my life in general which I usually don't discuss on here but you can look to the second Pocono race comments for one of the main reasons why 2015 sucked for me) I am looking at this new year with new hope and optimism. Here's to 2016! 1464. RaceFanX posted: 01.01.2016 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Happy New Year everyone. Here's wishing everyone a safe 2016. 1465. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.01.2016 - 12:36 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Schroeder51 here, posting under my new username (as I promised I would at the end of the season). Wow, it's hard to believe it's 2016 already, and we're already in the second half of the 2010s. Where does time go? 2016 is the first year without Jeff Gordon driving in the Cup Series...since I was in diapers. His Cup career spanned almost my full lifetime to date...Really puts things into perspective when I think about. This is going to be pretty much the first season in which not one of the drivers from my early childhood years when I first became a NASCAR fan will be driving full-time. That's gonna take some time to adjust to... Like 88&4Fan, 2015 was not a great year all around in my books...it wasn't the greatest NASCAR season and we lost Justin Wilson in IndyCar, but personal situations that happened to me throughout the year really wrecked my own opinion of last year as well. (I don't know if anyone remembers, but I had a death in the family last summer around the time of the Indy Cup race and I was inactive here for a couple of weeks.) Here's hoping 2016 is a better year for all of us, and that 2016 will be a better year for NASCAR with less BS (though considering the current Chase format, I'm not holding my breath on that...) Happy New Year, everyone! 1466. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.01.2016 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2016. As a kid born in 2000, I find it really hard to believe that I will be driving this year. In a reflection of last year, 2015 was a good year but it wasn't my best. June 2013-June 2014 (my 8th grade year) will always be my favorite year. In motorsports, it wasn't a good year because tragedy seemed to strike at every corner and 2015 wasn't a very exciting year for NASCAR. It was a good year for me, but I'm ready for 2016. Oh, and Jolly Mean Giant, any reason why you decided to change your name? 1467. 88&4Fan posted: 01.01.2016 - 1:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Interesting choice of a new name Schroeder (is JMG okay?) Might take a little time to get used to though. And good luck with your driving Big Mac. 1468. The Long Shot posted: 01.01.2016 - 1:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "2016. As a kid born in 2000, I find it really hard to believe that I will be driving this year." Good luck to you. I procrastinated a while and didn't get my permit until late last year (geez, going to take some time getting used to saying that), so I'm not far ahead of you. Hopefully your luck is better than mine, though; kid you not, just earlier today I hit a deer in my first day back driving in like three weeks. Freakiest thing ever. I have no major personal regrets about 2015. Racing-wise, though, it was definitely the least interested I've followed it in a long time. I hope my interest kicks back up in 2016. Maybe the influx of younger drivers will pique it somewhat, I don't know. But anyways, happy new year to everyone, and I wish you all nothing but the best. This is still a really solid community with some really great people on it, and I hope RR continues to improve and grow in the coming months. 1469. 88&4Fan posted: 01.01.2016 - 1:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've been driving for a while now but the way Virginia does it the entire process takes a really long time, I was able to get my permit at 15 and a half but didn't have my license until nearly two years later. Sorry to hear about what happened Long Shot. I hope your car is okay. Sucks for the deer too. My friend hit one and got his car scratched up pretty bad a few months ago right around the same time as I was involved in my accident. 1470. someone posted: 01.01.2016 - 2:29 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, 2016, I can't believe that when the 2nd Pocono race comes around, it will mark my 10 year anniversary of watching NASCAR! As far as 2015 is concerned, it wasn't the worst (2012 takes that honor), but it wasn't the best (9th grade June 2010 - June 2011 will always be my favorite year). 2015 was just a mediocre year for me on all accounts, especially NASCAR wise. Re: Driving, I was born in 1996, so in my state I could've gotten my permit as early as 2012. I ended up getting my permit in May 2014... and I have driven for approximately 5 hours. As a matter of fact, the last time I drove was around Thanksgiving 2014. So needless to say, I'm REALLY slacking, especially when you consider that the 2015 truck series champion and runner up were both born in the same year as me... 1471. murb posted: 01.01.2016 - 3:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As a kid born in 2000" Jesus, despite being only 21 it seems like I'm one of the oldest people on here now... "and I have driven for approximately 5 hours." I've been able to drive for like almost five years now, and I'd be surprised if I even had that much. I REALLY don't like driving. I'm physically able to do it totally fine and I'd like to think I'm a good and extremely cautious driver, but to me the mental aspect of having to constantly play this balancing act of looking out for other morons on the road while simultaneously trying not to make your own mistakes is just way too ridiculous to me. So I really try to avoid it if at all possible (including the other day where I walked to and from my dentist appointment in a full fledged blizzard - that was an adventure that definitely wouldn't have been as cool any other way). 1472. The Long Shot posted: 01.01.2016 - 11:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've been able to drive for like almost five years now, and I'd be surprised if I even had that much. I REALLY don't like driving. I'm physically able to do it totally fine and I'd like to think I'm a good and extremely cautious driver, but to me the mental aspect of having to constantly play this balancing act of looking out for other morons on the road while simultaneously trying not to make your own mistakes is just way too ridiculous to me. So I really try to avoid it if at all possible (including the other day where I walked to and from my dentist appointment in a full fledged blizzard - that was an adventure that definitely wouldn't have been as cool any other way)." Amusing as it sounds considering we're both auto racing fans, this really is me to a tee. Unfortunately I have to, because we live in a pretty isolated area and the parents want me to have my full-fledged license by the time I go to college, but given the choice I would stay off the roads 100% of the time. Luckily self-driving cars are going to start becoming big in the coming years, so hopefully they will eventually eliminate a fair amount of the stress that comes with driving. 1473. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 01.01.2016 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I do not drive and i'm 27. Oh i want too but like Murb i am deathly afraid off all the other morons out there. I'd either walk or take the bus. I'm also easily distracted by things (have ADHD). Not only would i have too watch out for myself, worry about others. No Murb i'm older then you. I'm an old fart. :-P 1474. joey2448 posted: 01.01.2016 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wow there's a lot of fear out there with driving. I'm 26 and have been driving for 10 years now, and I never stress about the dangers out there. Sure there are morons out there that drive like idiots and make stupid decisions, but you can't live your life in fear of them, or anything else for that matter. Oh btw, I also have ADHD. As for 2015, I'm not sure why everyone here thought it was terrible (personal reasons excluded). I mean, of course there will be dull moments and controversial situations, but it could always be worse. I hate that we lost Justin Wilson, but might I remind everyone that death in racing used to be a common thing that occurred on a regular basis. We should be rejoicing in the modern safety advances that we have. Switching subjects, what is the next racing event that everyone is looking forward to? For me, it is the Chili Bowl Nationals midget race on Jan. 12-16, followed by the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona on Jan. 30-31, followed by the 12 Hours of Bathurst GT sports car event on Feb. 7. 1475. 88&4Fan posted: 01.01.2016 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Just read the new NASCAR Illustrated edition today and there's a part where they ranked the best drivers of the year. Anyway, they have Kyle Busch ranked first, Logano second, then KENSETH third (you'd think that since this was a NASCAR magazine, Kenseth would be somewhere around 15th), and Harvick all the way back in fourth. The guy who finished in the top two in almost half the races is only the fourth best driver of the year. Okay. 1476. Eric posted: 01.01.2016 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) joey2448, There are some fears with driving that are legit on why a person doesn't drive. If a person's hand and eye coordination is a 2 on a 1 to 8 scale with very poor reflexes, that person shouldn't be driving at all. 1477. racefangurl posted: 01.01.2016 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1474, I'm the same age as you and don't drive very much. I don't have my own car. IMO, 2015 had some good and bad. It's hard to say it was terrible except in spades. There was some stuff that's non-racing related, but significant in my world. Even with the terrible parts (racing related and not), it still had fun moments in both those categories. 1478. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.01.2016 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) As for the driving, I got my permit in June and I should get my license immediately as soon as I turn 16, which is in April. I can definitely understand some of you in that you don't like driving. It can be scary at times especially since one mistake can be the difference between life and death. But I'm with joey2448. Although there are those select few who think they can be above the law, I find driving fun and not very stressful. In fact, I just drove about 70 miles on city freeways just for practice. For me, all you have to do is stay in your lane and watch your surroundings and usually everything is fine. But I want to make 5 suggestions that would make driving much safer: 1. Less emphasis on speeding. I know I will come under fire by some people, but speed doesn't kill. It's the difference in speed that kills.if one person is driving 65 and the other is doing 80, there is a higher chance of an accident than if two drivers are going 80. For example, in the 1990's on Montana Interstates, the speed limit was listed as "safe and prudent" (it was changed to 75mph in 1999) so in theory you could go 120mph as long as the conditions were safe. I think people should go a comfortable speed for them and adjust how fast they go when there's bad weather, traffic, darkness, etc. When it's an open road I don't see a problem with going 80+. Another is example is the German autobahn which has no speed limit (meaning speeds of more than 100mph) and it actually has LESS accidents than most American roads. I feel like most accidents are caused by people paying too much attention to the speedometer instead of their surroundings. 2. More emphasis on tailgating. I think that the police should pull people over for tailgating. Driving close behind someone means there is less time to react to any moves they make. If people kept a safe distance, less accidents would occur. 3. Stronger punishments for Drinking and Driving. I think alcohol is a lot more dangerous than most people let on. In driver's ed I tried on a pair of goggles that show the vision of a person with a BAC of .12, and you could not see a thing. Yet people still drink and drive which is by far the biggest threat and fear on the road today. If there were stronger fines and punishments I think more people would get the message. 4. More improvements to roads. A lack of a median, no guardrails, potholes, and bumpy roads can make final accidents far worse. 5. Treat texting or other electronic use as a similar crime to drunk driving. Driving can be a life or death situation and there is no reason to be focused on something else. Make the punishments worse as texting can put other people's lives at risk because you aren't paying attention. Hope that helped. 1479. Eric posted: 01.01.2016 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If someone wants to criticize my comment that people with terrible hand and eye coordination shouldn't be driving, that person has a big problem based on why I made the comment. I actually am very bad with my hands with terrible reflexes despite trying to improve it for a time even before Joey2448 was born. I don't the reflexes to stop a dime as good as other people do and I don't have great reaction time either. 1480. 88&4Fan posted: 01.02.2016 - 1:43 am Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Treat texting or other electronic use as a similar crime to drunk driving. Driving can be a life or death situation and there is no reason to be focused on something else. Make the punishments worse as texting can put other people's lives at risk because you aren't paying attention." This is what I've been saying for years. We really need to start cracking down HARD on texting and driving. There is no reason why it should not be at least the same punishment, if not even more severe, than that of a DUI. At least if you're drunk, you can *sort of* see where you're going. If you're texting, you're not even looking at the road at all. And this is why I'm against cars that drive themselves, because that would encourage people to drive distracted. People would be texting, drinking, sleeping, you name it, behind the wheel, and then what happens if the car suddenly breaks down? Crash rates would go way up. Not only is it a danger to the person driving but also everyone else on the road. 1481. murb posted: 01.02.2016 - 2:38 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "When it's an open road I don't see a problem with going 80+." Agreed wholeheartedly, actually. Here in Idaho our interstate limit is 80, and if anything it makes everything on the interstates flow smoother (barring bad weather and all that, obviously). In fact, I staunchly prefer interstate driving to driving within my town, and pretty much the only times I DO drive are when I know I'll be using the interstate (for context, in my town I live about a minute-and-a-half to two minutes away from a university that is continually busy with idiot pedestrians virtually nine months out of the year on top of ridiculously narrow streets to drive on - so that's definitely left some bad tastes in my mouth over the years and is a major reason I try to avoid mixing it up in crowded areas as much as I can). 1482. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 01.02.2016 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "1. Less emphasis on speeding. I know I will come under fire by some people, but speed doesn't kill. It's the difference in speed that kills.if one person is driving 65 and the other is doing 80, there is a higher chance of an accident than if two drivers are going 80." I agree. Every state law for the speed limit is different though. Oh btw, the autobahn actually has speed limits in parts of it. And there are lanes where you can go as fast as you want and lanes there the max is like 70mph. "4. More improvements to roads. A lack of a median, no guardrails, potholes, and bumpy roads can make final accidents far worse." We have too rely on the government for that. You know how reliable the government is right? "5. Treat texting or other electronic use as a similar crime to drunk driving. Driving can be a life or death situation and there is no reason to be focused on something else. Make the punishments worse as texting can put other people's lives at risk because you aren't paying attention." What i'm about too say is harsh but if you get caught drunk/texting and drive you should lose your license for atleast 2 years and get points on your license half what it would take for you too lose it otherwise. Do it as 2nd time and lose it for life. I feel safer on the highway then i do in the city. Maybe because there is less too worry about. 1483. Smiff_2 posted: 01.02.2016 - 12:53 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Well then, apparently you can add *me* to the "Old Guard" then. I'm gonna be 30 in March, been driving for 12 years, and I've been watching NASCAR religiously since '96 and sporadically since '91. That being said, 2015 was, for me, one of the most frustrating seasons I've ever subjected myself to. Easily predictable late race cautions, asinine injury "exemptions", inconsistent penalties, whiny-ass drivers, excessive rule changes, the terrible championship format and obnoxious TV coverage have all converged to leaver a bitter taste in my mouth, like never before. Hopefully in 2016, with the implementation of the OBVIOUSLY superior low-downforce package, my deeper love of the sport can bubble back up to the surface. After the shitshow that was the 2015 season, it's gonna 'take some doing' on NASCAR's part to recapture my full attention and adoration. Cheers to 2016! Let's hope it's a good one! 1484. Jason Gilstrap posted: 01.03.2016 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As a kid born in 2000, I find it really hard to believe that I will be driving this year" Lol, 2000 was the year I turned 16 and started driving. Best of luck. Keep track of the cars around you, don't follow too close, and nothing is worth getting to 2 minutes earlier to put your life on the line. 1485. Jason Gilstrap posted: 01.03.2016 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Oh,and one last thing: *dabs* 1486. 88&4Fan posted: 01.03.2016 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ever since Andy Reid dabbed it isn't cool anymore. Not that it ever was. 1487. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.03.2016 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Weighing in on the driving discussion, I waited until I was 18 to get my driver's license...mainly because I felt I was not physically ready to drive at 16. I actually put my car into a ditch the second time I EVER drove a car...My father was being rather stern with me to hit the brake and I guess I froze up under pressure. Took out a nice little chunk of asphalt, but luckily the car came away more or less unscathed. (It was on a back-country road, not the main highways...) I got better with practice, though, and have been driving pretty safely for the past...will be 6 years this fall. Even so, I admit I don't drive much, for many of the same reasons you all have said. There are WAY too many poor or distracted drivers out there...In particular, I totally concur with those who have issues with those who talk on the cell phone and/or text while driving. I have a MAJOR issue with that...I've almost got into a couple of accidents because of that! One time, I was heading to my local town to pick up some groceries for my family, and somebody blew through the first stoplight in town right in front of me...you guessed it...while chattering away on their cell phone! I don't think they ever even SAW me coming...I had to slam on the brakes fast to avoid the guy, and it was lucky I had no one directly behind me or I would have gotten rear-ended for sure! There ABSOLUTELY needs to be harsher punishments for those who can't put the cell phone down while behind the wheel. If I get a phone call or a text while driving, I'll either find a place to pull off or wait until my car is safely stopped in a parking lot to respond. It CAN wait. Something else I'm not entirely fond of is night-time driving. Aside from the fact that it's more difficult to judge one's surroundings (no wonder so many accidents happen after dark), there's also the fact that the roads will be littered with people who have their high-beams on at all times. Seemingly without fail whenever I'm on the roads after dark, I'll always end up with somebody right behind me, practically tail-gating me, with their high-beams on, blinding me. I honestly don't understand those sorts of people...Some people are extremely inconsiderate out there, you know? I find it interesting that considering how we're all motorsports fans, most of us don't like driving very much! 1488. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.03.2016 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Oh, and Jolly Mean Giant, any reason why you decided to change your name?" I used to be big on Topps' Wacky Packages parody card series when I was a teenager and I recently rediscovered my collection when going through my things. They had a collection of retro "Flashback" stickers that came out when I was about 15 featuring reprints of old parodies from the 1960s and the 1970s, the heyday of those card series...and one of them I had was the Jolly Mean Giant, a Green Giant parody ("He loves to split PEAS!"). Yes, I am a total dork with a peculiar set of interests! I thought it would make for an amusing name...and honestly, I just wanted to change my name since I was getting a little tired of going by Schroeder51. I have WAY too many different usernames I've used all across the Internet. I've probably had 30 different online names by this point across numerous sites! "Interesting choice of a new name Schroeder (is JMG okay?) Might take a little time to get used to though." The JMG works fine, probably easier to type, anyways! 1489. 88&4Fan posted: 01.04.2016 - 9:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Hah! Not losing to the Seahags in the playoffs this year! Thank you Minnesota! 1490. Evan posted: 01.04.2016 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Adding to driving, I didn't get my license until I was 25 and I know that is late. I really didn't feel mentally ready in my teen years and the thought of a teen being on the road just freaked me out. My mother absolutely freaked out when I was behind the wheel and really never could properly teach me because she was so nervous that I would wreck the family car and both of my parents were impatient and had their own issues going on and that didn't really help me all that much as far as confidence. Then to make matters worse, I went somewhere to teach me how to drive that was out of my area and I had a driving teacher who treated me bad and was so negative and disrespectful to my situation, it just seemed like he wanted to find out if something was wrong with me, or what my psychological issues were and thought it would motivate me, like a football coach mentality. He just never taught me anything and told me to ride the bus and that I should never get near a car again. I eventually came back home and decided to get driving lessons around my area, I got set up with a driving teacher who I really connected with and bonded with and he was patient with me and didn't try to be negative and helped clear things up and make me feel comfortable driving because I just never felt comfortable. To make a long story short, I did get my license and I definitely proved that mean old driving teacher wrong. -As far as driving goes, I try to be careful as possible. I just think there are a lot of bad drivers on the road, with all the distractions people have now, you almost have to worry about other drivers than yourself. I don't really run the radio when I am driving or even pick the cell phone up unless I am at a stand-still or parked. I just try to have complete focus on what I am doing because if you are distracted by someone or something you mentally can't get the job done. 1491. Jaws_Fan posted: 01.04.2016 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well it looks like this 'charter' is going to be passed. It's worded different, but it's essentially the top 35 rule all over again. 1492. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 01.05.2016 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well it looks like this 'charter' is going to be passed. It's worded different, but it's essentially the top 35 rule all over again." If it is set up like how it used too be, then Rob Kauffman is the dumbest person in NASCAR. All this does is give an extra asset on the balance sheet. Which does does not mean a hill of beans. 1493. 88&4Fan posted: 01.05.2016 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually this is a bit of a sigh of relief if all they're doing is essentially going back to the Top 35 rule, since what they originally wanted was franchises for 36 teams and the field limited to 40 cars, besides the new qualifying format for how people miss the race hasn't worked well at all. 1494. cjs3872 posted: 01.06.2016 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As of early January, 2016, here's a list of teams/drivers for the 2016 season, beginning with the full-time teams. They will be listed in numerical order of the car number. Remember that this is subject to change. FULL-TIME TEAMS: 1. 1-Jamie McMurray (Chip Ganassi Racing) 2. 2-Brad Keselowski (Team Penske) 3. 3-Austin Dillon (Richard Childress Racing) 4. 4-Kevin Harvick (Stewart-Haas Racing) 5. 5-Kasey Kahne (Hendrick Motorsports) 6. 6-Trevor Bayne (Roush Racing) 7. 7-Alex Bowman (Tommy Baldwin Racing) 8. 9-Brian Scott (R) (Richard Petty Motorsports) 9. 10-Danica Patrick (Stewart-Haas Racing) 10. 11-Denny Hamlin (Joe Gibbs Racing) 11. 13-Casey Mears (Germain Racing) 12. 14-Tony Stewart (Stewart-Haas Racing) 13. 15-Clint Bowyer (HScott Motorsports) 14. 16-Greg Biffle (Roush Racing) 15. 17-Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (Roush Racing) 16. 18-Kyle Busch (Joe Gibbs Racing) 17. 19-Carl Edwards (Joe Gibbs Racing) 18. 20-Matt Kenseth (Joe Gibbs Racing) 19. 21-Ryan Blaney (R) (Wood Brothers Racing) 20. 22-Joey Logano (Team Penske) 21. 23-Jeb Burton (BK Racing) 22. 24-Chase Elliott (R) Hendrick Motorsports) 23. 27-Paul Menard (Richard Childress Racing) 24. 31-Ryan Newman (Richard Childress Racing) 25. 32-Bobby Labonte/Jeffrey Earnhardt (Go FAS RAcing) 26. 34-Chris Buescher (Front Row Motorsports) 27. 38-DRIVER TBA (Front Row Motorsports) 28. 40-Landon Cassill (Circle Sport Racing) 29. 41-Kurt Busch (Stewart-Haas Racing) 30. 42-Kyle Larson (Chip Ganassi Racing) 31. 43-Aric Almirola (Richard Petty Motorsports) 32. 46-Michael Annett (HScott Motorsports) 33. 47-A.J. Allmendinger (JTG-Daugherty Racing) 34. 48-Jimmie Johnson (Hendrick Motorsports) 35. 78-Martin Truex, Jr. (Furniture Row Racing) 36. 83-Matt DiBenedetto (BK Racing) 37. 88-Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (Hendrick Motorsports) PART-TIME TEAMS: 38. 33-Ty Dillon (Richard Childress Racing) 39. 33-DRIVER TBA (Circle Sport Racing) 40. 95-Michael McDowell (Leavine Family Racing) Again, this list comprises the teams and drivers that I know of that are competing in the Sprint Cup Series in 2016, and as such, it may be incomplete, or even inaccurate to some degree. 1495. Captain51 posted: 01.06.2016 - 9:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs3872, the last I've heard, Leavine still hasn't decided on whether or not they are going to run the full schedule or stick with the previous schedule. And as far as the 33 goes, Jay Robinson purchased the team owned by Joe Falk, so I'm not sure the #33 will be run by Circle Sport. Most of the Cup series has been set in stone for the most part. I'd be interested to see someone make a list with Xfinity and Truck plans for next year. 1496. Anonymous posted: 01.06.2016 - 10:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Xfinity: Only posting ones that have been announced so far #2 Austin Dillon/Paul Menard-Richard Childress Racing #3 Ty Dillon-Richard Childress Racing #4 Ross Chastain-JD Motorsports #6 Darrell Wallace Jr.-Roush Fenway Racing #7 Justin Allgaier-JR Motorsports #8 Blake Koch-TriStar Motorsports #9? Elliott Sadler-JR Motorsports #16 Ryan Reed-Roush Fenway Racing #18 Daniel Suarez-Joe Gibbs Racing #20 Erik Jones-Joe Gibbs Racing #22 Ryan Blaney/Brad Keselowski/Joey Logano-Team Penske #33 Brandon Jones-Richard Childress Racing #44 David Starr-TriStar Motorsports #52 Joey Gase-Jimmy Means Racing #54 Kyle Busch/Matt Kenseth/Denny Hamlin-Joe Gibbs Racing #62 Brendan Gaughan-Richard Childress Racing #70 Derrike Cope-Derrike Cope Racing #88 Alex Bowman/Dale Earnhardt Jr./Chase Elliott/Kasey Kahne/Kevin Harvick/Josh Berry-JR Motorsports #5 Kasey Kahne-JR Motorsports (part-time) 1497. Anonymous posted: 01.06.2016 - 10:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trucks: #00 Cole Custer-JR Motorsports #05 John Wes Townley-Athenian Motorsports #4 William Byron-Kyle Busch Motorsports #17 Timothy Peters-Red Horse Racing #19 Daniel Hemric-Brad Keselowski Racing #22 Austin Wayne Self-AM Racing #23 Spencer Gallagher-GMS Racing ? Grant Enfinger-GMS Racing #29 Tyler Reddick-Brad Keselowski Racing #33 Johnny Sauter-GMS Racing #41 Ben Rhodes-ThorSport Racing #51 Christopher Bell-Kyle Busch Motorsports #54 Cody Coughlin/Daniel Suarez-Kyle Busch Motorsports #58 Kyle Weatherman-Levine Racing #59 David Levine-Levine Racing #74 Tim Viens-Mike Harmon Racing ? Jordan Anderson-Jordan Anderson Racing #88 Matt Crafton-ThorSport Racing 1498. Anonymous posted: 01.06.2016 - 11:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sauter is in the #21, Enfinger in the #33 1499. 88&4Fan posted: 01.06.2016 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just got the news of the YEAR (so far). The self-proclaimed Best Quarterback in the National Football League, one Robert Griffin III, may be on his way to the Dallas Cowboys next year. Johnny Manziel too, but thats not news considering everyone is aware of the mancrush that Jerruh has on him. PLEASE TAKE HIM. 1500. 88&4Fan posted: 01.06.2016 - 5:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also completely unrelated to anything, we're up to 1500 comments on this section now and the end of the third page. 1501. Pucci Man posted: 01.06.2016 - 10:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Only 10 days away until the Chili Bowl Nationals. Racing season is upon as. 1502. 23andJoe posted: 01.06.2016 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's already running - the Hangover late model race was January 1, sprint cars are running in Arizona as I type, and the Wild West Shootout for LMs starts Saturday. 1503. Captain51 posted: 01.08.2016 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like the crew chief line-up for Roush Fenway has been changed from what I first read. I'm seeing that Bob Osborne will be working with Chris Buescher at Front Row Motorsports next year while Matt Puccia will be taking his spot. Brian Pattie will still be the the #16 team and Nick Sandler will be returning to the #17. Matt Puccia had been rumored to be taking over as crew chief for Darrell Wallace Jr in the Xfinity series, but am seeing that Seth Barbour will remain with Wallace for 2016. 1504. murb posted: 01.08.2016 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like the crew chief line-up for Roush Fenway has been changed from what I first read." It seems like Scott Graves leaving for JGR messed up their original plans. It's a little disappointing because I thought Puccia and Bubba would be a great fit together, but oh well. I do think putting Osbourne with Buescher is an interesting idea though. 1505. raceafangurl posted: 01.08.2016 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1504, do you think Bubba and Puccia would have better chemistry than Puccia and Bayne? What sort of person would be best with someone with Bayne's personality? 1506. Tyson posted: 01.08.2016 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bayne needs someone who will be loud and take the reigns. Bayne is way too quiet and calm. He needs someone who will actually motivate him. Puccia is not that guy. Bubba needs someone with a level head and someone who can calm him down because he can sometimes get a little hot-headed behind the wheel, which isn't really a bad thing, but Puccia would have been that guy. 1507. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.08.2016 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Although retired, I think Steve Letarte would be perfect for Bayne. He took the reigns to control Dale Jr. and gave the motivation which resulted in Dale Jr. having a career renaissance. Letarte could take the reigns for Bayne and boost his confidence. 1508. 88&4Fan posted: 01.08.2016 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While I agree that a large part of Junior's career resurgence can be attributed to Steve LeTarte, I think an even bigger reason was his now fiancee Amy Reimann restoring his self-confidence. When he met her, he was in his horrible slump and he didn't seem to care about racing much anymore. I've read countless articles about how she helped him become a happier person and better driver again. As for Bayne, one crew chief that comes to mind that I think he'd work well with is Darian Grubb. Darian Grubb, like LeTarte, is a motivator who pushes drivers to work hard while also doing his job as crew chief. I always thought he was one of the more underrated crew chiefs in the garage (and to this day I have no idea why Stewart fired him after his 2011 championship, I think if he'd kept him he would almost definitely have gotten to 50 wins). Obviously he won't end up with Bayne anytime soon though, since Grubb is working for Hendrick right now. 1509. murb posted: 01.08.2016 - 10:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I could actually see Brian Pattie (who will be Biffle's crew chief next year) being a pretty good fit with Bayne. I don't think Pattie's a great crew chief (setup wise he's actually been very good over the years and I think had a positive impact on the race cars at Ganassi and MWR, but I also think he's one of the worst race strategists in the garage), but I could see his personality meshing well with Trevor's. Honestly though, I'm not sure it entirely matters too much who Trevor's crew chief is. As much as I like him personally, at this point I've given up on him being anything other than a Paul Menard level driver at the very best. 1510. Minnowfur posted: 01.08.2016 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I wonder whos going to win the Daytona 500 1511. 88&4Fan posted: 01.09.2016 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 2016 lineup is not looking good. Only 35 full-time teams so far (will be 37 or 38 once BK Racing makes their driver announcements) and very few part time teams. I have a feeling that this will be one of those years where there will be a lot of field filler S&P drivers. Of course the field may end up being cut down to 40 anyway with this idiotic charter idea. 1512. Tyson posted: 01.09.2016 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By my count we have 38 full-time times once BK announces their presumed two-car lineup. Plus part-time efforts by Premium (1), Leavine (1), a fifth JGR car for Jones (1), and I would assume a Front Row, Premium and BK Racing will occasionally bring a extra cars to the track to fill fields. Definitely not a strong field of cars this year but I think we'll have 40-car fields every race. As for s&ps, I think the days of start & park drivers and teams in Cup are pretty much gone. I could see BK Racing's filler car being a start & park effort though as they did that with Clay Rogers in 2014. 1513. 23andJoe posted: 01.10.2016 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seasons underway! The first series champion of 2016 is Shane Stewart in Winter Heat Sprints in Arizona, while the first Late Model series, the Wild West Shootout, has green-flagged. 1514. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 10:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 18's 2016 M&M's scheme has been released and it looks awesome. Much better than last year. 1515. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 10:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually what do you guys think of all the new released paint schemes for next year? (There's a list on Jayski) 1516. Charters posted: 01.10.2016 - 11:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "The 2016 lineup is not looking good. Only 35 full-time teams so far (37 or 38 once BK Racing makes their driver announcements) and very few part time teams." Is my plan beginning to make sense now? 1517. Nathan8848 posted: 01.10.2016 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A lot of the schemes stayed the same. I honestly think Jimmie's Pro-Service should be an inverse of his regular car. Blue where the gray is, gray where the the blue is. Petty having the 44 makes so much more sense then the 9. Wait, this is the season the field is decreased to 40 and Charters? I thought that was 2017. 1518. Against Charters posted: 01.10.2016 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @516 as you can clearly see this charter thing is already killing off teams this is horrible on about 38 full time teams a month before the 500. This is the lowest car count i've seen in cup ever. Say 15 years ago teams like Levine family racing would make the jump full time also this would of been a great opportunity for RAB Racing and TMG Racing to finally break in also a team like JD Motorsports and Tri Star Motorsports would of tried to break in but with this charter crap were looking at 38 car cup fields embarrassing. 1519. dennyfan11 posted: 01.10.2016 - 2:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To pass the time before the offseason, here's 10 questions. 1. What do you think was the shortest time before a race was called due to rain? My guess is the 2009 Daytona 500, when it was 15 minutes from the start of the rain delay to the race being called. 2. How about the longest? I'm pretty sure there were some times where it was over an hour, but not sure. 3. Who do you think is the unluckiest NASCAR driver of all time? I actually think it was Dale Earnhardt. He did have tremendous success, but there were numerous times he lost a race due to circumstances beyond his control. His many Daytona blunders, being bumped out of the way by Jeremy Mayfield, wrecking Waltrip and himself at Richmond 1986... 4. What do you think was the worst race of ALL TIME, not counting ones with fatalities? I'm not really sure. 5. What do you think was the worst TV coverage of a race? My pick is the 2000 Albertson's 300. Rain delayed it, so TNN said they would leave and pick back up when the race was ready to go. Then, the race restarted, but they lied about the rain continuing so they could play An American Tail: Fievel Goes West. Yikes. 6. What do you think was the craziest race ever? My guess is the 2014 Coke Zero 400. Tons of red flags, midpackers/backmarkers battling most of the race, and two massive wrecks almost wiping out the whole field. 7. Who do you think drove for the most teams in NASCAR? I pick Greg Sacks. Over a long career, he drove for Sacks and Sons, Hylton Engineering, DiGard Motorsports, The Dingman Brothers, Baker-Schiff Racing, Winkle Motorsports, Hendrick, his self-owned Daytona Speed, Close Racing, Larry Hedrick Motorsports, Melling Racing, Tri-Star Motorsports, U.S Motorsports, Dick Brooks Racing, Junior Johnson, Active Motorsports, A.G Dillard, Jackson Motorports, Diamond Ridge Motorsports, Team SABCO, Rainier-Walsh Racing, LJ Racing, Bud Moore Engineering, Yarborough-Burdette Motorsports, Petty-Huggins Motorsports, and Front Row. Phew! 8. What race do you think was run in the darkest conditions? I'm guessing the 2001 Winston Qualifying Session, as well as the 1999 DieHard 500 qualifying. Though not races, the former had barely any lighting, and the latter was run at night at a track with no lights. 9. What race had the longest caution? My guess is the Bristol race which had a 20 lap caution for a one car wreck. And the last 10. Do you think any races have been rigged? I say no. 1520. Minnowfur posted: 01.10.2016 - 2:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 1.2003 Daytona500 2003 2.The longest before calling a race for rain maybe Coco cola 600 in 2009 3.1 car 4.2008 Brickyard 400 5.2009 Pheonix chase race 6.2011 Daytona 500 7.Kurt Bush 8.2015 Atlanta race 9.Maybe 2015 Michagan race the rain filled race 10.2015 Homestead race 1521. 88&4fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Reporting live from FedEx Field. Having a great time so far. A few things I've noticed: - Packers fans are infinitely better in every way than Seahawks fans. Three years ago, the Seahawks fans acted like arrogant pricks duringin the game, the ones near us even cheered when RG3 got hurt. The Packers fans that I've met so far today are nothing but humble and classy. - A surprising amount of RG3 jerseys. You'd think now that he is on the bench and Cousins is clearly the better QB, people would be wearing Cousins jerseys. But i guess not. - Anyway, hoping for a great game, and a clean one unlike last night. Hopefully the Skins can pull out the W. 1522. 88&4fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 2:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. 2009 Daytona 500 2. 2015 Michigan 3. Steve Park. Not even close. That guy could've been a legend. 4. 2008 Brickyard 5. Any race with Vince Welch in the booth 6. 2007 Coke 600. That top five. 7. Elliott Sadler 8. Martinsville last year for a race. If we're counting anything with cars on the track, that Talladega qualifying session. 9. Dover 2004 10. Yes. Petty's 200th win for one. And of course Spingate, but that wasn't NASCAR' who rigged it. 1523. 88&4fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Never in my life have i seen a team with so many ridiculously lucky plays during the playoffs as the Seattle Seahawks. Unbelievable. 1524. Jaws_Fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1.) It had to be one of Jeff Burton's Darlington rainouts. They called those races almost immediately 2.) 2015 Food City 500 - It felt like the delay dragged on for days) 3.) From a career standpoint - Steve Park, From a losing races you dominate standpoint - Martin Truex Jr. 4.) 1999 Daytona 500 - it was 43 cars playing follow the leader all day 5.) Every race with Marty Reid 6.) 2005 Coke 600 - 22 cautions at a 1.5 track 7.) Bobby Allison 8.) 2015 Goody's Headache Relief Shot 500 9.) 1990 First Union 400 - a 30 minute caution due to a scoring error 10.) None that we know of, but there have been a lot of fishy outcomes, phantom debris cautions, and other shenanigans. 1525. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll admit that post 1516 was a failed joke attempt by me. 1. 2015 Fall Phoenix Race 2. 2014 Coke Zero 400 (When you include every single delay in the race) 3. Steve Park 4. 2008 Brickyard 400 (if you could even call this a "race") 5. Don't remember what race but it switched from ABC to ESPN in the middle of the race 6. 2005 Coke 600 7. Bobby Allison 8. 2015 Fall Martinsville 9. 1988 Daytona 500 (20 lap caution for Petty's crash) 10. 2015 Fontana Jaws_Fan, are you thinking of the 2000 Daytona 500? I thought 1999 was really exciting. 1526. Jaws_Fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, my bad. I wanted to see Benson win that race so much. 1527. 88&4fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "2015 Fontana" Duh. Can't believe I forgot that one. 1528. murb posted: 01.10.2016 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't have time to answer all ten of those questions, but on the unluckiest driver one: I'd take Jerry Nadeau over Steve Park. Park was wildly unlucky, but one thing he DID luck out on was being healthy for 2000 and (most of) 2001, which turned out to be DEI's breakout years (and in the process, he became a really good and I'd say borderline top ten driver in Cup - people forget, but Park finished 11th in points in 2000 and was comfortably sitting 10th in points at the time of his Darlington Busch crash in 2001 - his late 2000 to September 2001 run in Cup was actually quite damn good). Meanwhile, Nadeau was never able to put together a stretch like that because he only once ever had really good equipment, and even then it was only the Hendrick #25 car (and I'd be willing to argue that the equipment he was getting in the #25 was actually REALLY bad even by typical #25 car standards, considering that the #25's shop-mate Terry Labonte was also running horrendous at the time - so it makes a lot of sense to me to think the #25 and #5 were just totally Gordon R/D equipment at that time, which I guess would have been mostly been 2000 and 2001 with a small inkling of 2002 as well before Nadeau got fired). And then of course he had his own fair share of on-track bad luck as well (running out of gas on the last lap while leading at Atlanta 2001, cruising to the win in the Petty #44 at Sonoma 2002 before a mechanical failure, and then of course his 2003 career ending wreck at Richmond). So yeah, Park WAS extremely unlucky, but in the grand scheme of things I think Nadeau had the unluckier career for sure. 1529. 88&4fan posted: 01.10.2016 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well, that was disappointing. But the Packers played the better game. And even though we lost, I still had a great time. If the Redskins focus on continuing to build the team around Cousins and improving the defense, there's no reason why we shouldn't be back in the playoffs next year and for years to come. 1530. Evan posted: 01.10.2016 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 88&4fan, I think the Washington Redskins are at least in a good position right now to make progress, they finally have a quarterback they can depend on for once even though most of his performances came against teams that had losing records, and if they can improve the defense and get Cousins some help on offense they need a receiver to go with Jackson, then they can really start making some progress. Kirk Cousins just has a lot a good intangibles you look for, he just has what it takes to be a winner. Hopefully this year is the start of something special in DC. The Skins just have to keep building their team with guys who can start and can really come in and contribute. They need more depth. 1531. 88&4Fan posted: 01.11.2016 - 11:28 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Not racing related but Rest In Peace David Bowie. As one of many people who loved his music it is a horrible loss to see him go. 1532. C posted: 01.12.2016 - 9:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) I'm really sorry for my lack if posting in the last month. I have had outside circumstances and unfortunately won't be posting mich for the next two weeks. 1533. jabber1990 posted: 01.12.2016 - 12:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) i'm going to answer only a few of these, because 1) feel my opinion would be valid 2) I dont' have many opinions 1. What do you think was the shortest time before a race was called due to rain? I don't get the question, but I think the 2003 daytona 500 2. How about the longest? I think 2009 Coke 600, I think it went on 2 hours 4. What do you think was the worst race of ALL TIME, not counting ones with fatalities? there is a handful, the 2008 Brickyard 400, the new hampshire race where they put plates on, 2009 fall talladega race, 2013 Daytona 500 (see a theme here?) 5. What do you think was the worst TV coverage of a race? probably not a good answer but the 2010 Pocono Race where Kurt had his crash, it was ruined by the fact there were no cameras on Elliott Sadler, probably the first non-televised crash in 30 years 6. What do you think was the craziest race ever? i'm still going with the 2012 Daytona 500, EVERYTHING went wrong. 8. What race do you think was run in the darkest conditions? they made the 2015 fall martinsville race sound like it was pretty damn dark 9. What race had the longest caution? there are a few, I can't list them all. many are a result of timing and scoring disagreeing with the tape 10. Do you think any races have been rigged? I think that a few may have been, the 2010 Daytona Xfinity race (for starters) but if Jr couldn't win the 2011 Daytona 500 (a race that I think may have been rigged) then nobody could win a rigged race 1534. racefangurl posted: 01.12.2016 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1533, the reason Jr. didn't win that race was he wrecked late. That's why so many people think it's impossible to rig motorsports. Even if somebody tried, there could be things like wrecks or car trouble. Penalties can also come up. Basically, I don't believe NASCAR can rig races. The closest things to rigging I believe possible are when teams cheat or perhaps when they throw a mystery debris caution when some particular driver or other is about to go a lap down or if perhaps they don't want a certain driver to win. I once saw where somebody said Richard Petty had an oversized engine. Or so the person thought. 1535. 88&4Fan posted: 01.12.2016 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 2011 Daytona 500, really? I don't see at all where you're coming from there. It would've been impossible to rig a race like that, considering the two car tandems made it a complete crapshoot. I guess someone could make the argument that they screwed Ragan by calling him for jumping the restart but thats a call that should've been made (too bad NASCAR isn't consistent enough to call it on other drivers though). As for Jr, there are only two races that I think may have been rigged for him. One was the 2003 Talladega Spring race, but even that was a judgement call and they made the same call for Kyle Busch five years later. The other one was the 2011 Coke 600, where he ran out of gas anyway. I don't believe that the 2001 July Daytona race or the 2010 Nationwide July Daytona race were rigged, since there were no fishy cautions or calls in either of them, and it isn't that hard to believe that the best restrictor plate driver would win a restrictor plate race. 1536. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.12.2016 - 2:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "2012 Daytona 500" Forgot about that. That race was 3x as crazy as the '05 600. 1537. MAR posted: 01.12.2016 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) As a fan of Jr at the time of the event I thought it was cool to see but 15 years later it's the most obvious rigged race NASCAR has ever had the 2001 Pepsi 400 I'm talking about. 1538. 88&4Fan posted: 01.12.2016 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How was the 2001 Pepsi 400 rigged? I just don't see it. He drove his way from back in the field to the lead in the final laps, not that hard to do on a restrictor plate track. His father did it from even further back the previous year at Talladega. Was that race rigged? Kevin Harvick has done it numerous times, most famously the 2007 Daytona 500. Was that race rigged? There were no fishy cautions or judgement calls at the end of the race that may have benefited him. And he just happens to be the best restrictor plate driver in NASCAR, with the best restrictor plate team in NASCAR at the time of the race. I fail to see how that race was rigged. 1539. 88&4Fan posted: 01.12.2016 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) On that note however, here is my list of top ten rigged/bullshit race endings: 10. 2015 Daytona 500: Consistent Inconsistency In the biggest race of the year, a wreck happens on the back straightaway on the last lap. Just a few cars spinning, no big deal, right? NASCAR keeps the race green until the leaders are in turn three, everyone has cleared the wreck, and then... CAUTION??? Yup, NASCAR effectively ended the race with a quarter of a lap to go because of a small crash that was behind the leaders in one of the most anti-climatic moments that I have ever seen. 9. 2011 Coca Cola 600: No Caution? In this race, the exact opposite happened. On a restart with two laps to go, a few cars wrecked behind the leaders, and eventually kept going. NASCAR kept the race green in a situation where 99% of the time a caution would be thrown. The reason it wasn't? The driver leading the race, Dale Earnhardt, Jr., was about to snap a three year winless streak and a caution meant he would likely run out of fuel. As it turns out, he ran out of fuel anyway and Kevin Harvick took a completely fluky win. (File this in the "88&4Fan actually just wrote that?" folder). 8. 2013, 2014, and 2015 Daytona 500 Qualifying: And the pole sitter is... For three years in a row, the driver with the most headlines going into the season won the pole for the Daytona 500. 2013 was the most blatantly rigged one, with Danica Patrick winning the pole going much faster than second place Jeff Gordon, and FOX's ghost camera that put the two cars' qualifying runs next to each other showed Patrick going significantly faster on the straightaways, meaning she likely had more horsepower. 7. 1990 First Union 400: One Win (Wonder) To Rule Them All In this race, which was Geoff Bodine's only career win, the pace car came around under caution to pick up the field as normal. The problem? The car that the pace car picked up as the leader wasn't the leader. It was Bodine, who was A LAP DOWN!!! I'll give him credit for keeping the lead after that to win the race, but he never should've been in that spot to begin with. 6. 2009 LENOX Industrial Tools 301: Presented by The Home Depot... On a miserable and rainy day in Loudon, it was raining on and off for most of the race. But it was only during a late round of green flag pit stops when much hyped rookie Joey Logano took the lead and IMMEDIATELY the race was called for rain. Keep in mind that Logano's sponsor, The Home Depot, was one of NASCAR's partners as well. 5. 1994 Pepsi 400 and 1994 DieHard 500: ...and brought to you by McDonald's Jimmy Spencer "won" two races in 1994, both at restrictor plate tracks, with an oversized engine. His team even admitted that they cheated. So why was nothing done about this? Because his sponsor, McDonald's, which happens to be one of the biggest companies in America, was threatening to leave the sport, and NA$CAR needed to plea$e their $pon$or$. 4. 2008 AMP Energy 500: More Consistent Inconsistency After two races (the 2003 and 2008 Talladega spring races) where drivers made borderline passes below the yellow line and were still awarded the win, Regan Smith was blatantly shoved below the yellow line by Tony Stewart coming to the checkered flag. Smith was stripped of the win and it was given to Stewart. The reason why this likely happened was because Smith, unlike the two drivers who kept the win (Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and Kyle Busch) was not a big name in the sport. Another aspect of this finish that people tend to forget about is that in the truck series race at Daytona earlier that year, Johnny Benson passed a truck coming to the checkered flag, but wasn't penalized because "it was the last lap." Oh, and did I mention that Tony Stewart's main sponsor that year was The Home Depot? 3. 2015 Auto Club 400: The Fontana Screwjob Oh boy, where do I even start on this one? Kurt Busch had just been cleared in a domestic violence case and reinstated by NASCAR, but you just knew that NASCAR wasn't going to want Busch to win right after he made them look like idiots. And sure enough, Busch was leading the race just two weeks after his return with less than two laps to go, and a caution came out for "debris." Since you're pretty much screwed if you don't take tires on every pit stop at Fontana, Busch had to pit and it messed up the running order. After a legitimate caution and yet another restart in which they made it past the white flag (meaning a caution would end the race), more debris appeared on the track. Debris in the form of a #16 Ford Fusion driven by Greg Biffle, STALLED AT THE START/FINISH LINE WHERE THE LEADERS WOULD BE RACING TO!!! So what did NASCAR do? Keep the race green! Busch ended up losing to Brad Keselowski. 2. 2015 CampingWorld.com 500: The Talladega Fustercluck The first 185 laps of this race were amazing. No gimmicks and fake cautions, and the racing was great. And then IT happened. And by IT, I mean the failed abortion of a Green White Checkered finish. That started the chain of events that led to Kevin Harvick intentionally causing the Big One and Joey Logano's car being pelted by beer cans. 1. 2013 Federated Auto Parts 400: Spingate (Nothing More Needs To Be Said) 1540. Pucci Man posted: 01.12.2016 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 88&4Fan, the 1990 First Union 400 was won by Brett Bodine. 1541. 88&4Fan posted: 01.12.2016 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oops. I said Geoff didn't I? Sorry about that. I meant Brett. 1542. Pucci Man posted: 01.12.2016 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's ok 88&4Fan, mistakes happen. 1543. Against Charters posted: 01.12.2016 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @88&4 fan The story lines for the 2001 Pepsi 400 is why the race was rigged just like how you said the qualifying sessions for the Daytona 500 2013,2014,2015 was rigged its the same thing. NASCAR is a corporation how do corporations make money and sell to the audience by feeding it's fans story lines that make great story's so that race will live forever. The 2001 Pepsi 400 was the perfect opportunity for NASCAR to capitalize on a great story line son wins race at Daytona months after father is killed in a crash. Believe it or not nobody besides Jr was going to win that race because it was a huge deal for NASCAR In a win win situation. NASCAR has become more like the WWE every year. 1544. 88&4Fan posted: 01.12.2016 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Its easy to rig a qualifying session though. Just give one car more horsepower since all they're doing is running laps with no cars around them. Jeff Gordon this year I actually don't think was rigged (they had the pack qualifying), but it is very coincidental that he happened to win the pole when he was the driver with the most headlines coming into the season so I included him anyway. I guess Junior could've been given more horsepower or a modified restrictor plate, but it wasn't blatantly obvious like Richard Petty's 198th win with his oversized engine or Spencer's two wins, which Junior Johnson admitted to cheating. So until someone can give me conclusive evidence that Junior cheated or the race was rigged, I'm not buying it. That goes for any pack race, for that matter. 1545. Minnowfur posted: 01.12.2016 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) My top 10 rigged races 1.2013 Richmond Spingate 2.2015 Homestead race 3.2015 Auto Club race 4.2012 Richomd race where the 18 car won because of debris 5.2014 Texas race chase race...Lots of debris cautions 6.2012 lowes chase race last caution was for debris 15 car won in a fuel race 7.2013 Texas race where the 56 was leading then debris caution late in the race 8.2004 Talladga race 9.2009 Auto club chase race. The 9 car had a good interview 10.2013 lowes chase race debris with 20 laps to go...but it was a good battle for the win between the 2 car and 5 car 1546. racefangurl posted: 01.13.2016 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) 1539, Harvick rigged that 2015 'Dega race. He said he needed a wreck so he wouldn't be eliminated from the Chase and then what did he do? Cause the Big One. 1547. Speed_Demon posted: 01.13.2016 - 9:33 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) 1544 - It seems to happen at Daytona more than anywhere else doesn't it? Austin Dillon was kinda believable, because he's come close to poles on multiple occasions, but was likely rigged because it was the first race back for the #3. Danica's was blatantly rigged, because she has not been close to a pole since, and she was at the height of her marketability back then. 1548. Eric posted: 01.13.2016 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 88&4Fan, One of the reasons people think the 2001 Pepsi 400 was rigged is due to Jimmy Spencer's mouth after the race. Jimmy after the race claimed the race was "fixed". I think you know about Jimmy's history of running his mouth. Jimmy did later on offered an apology for his comment, but his "fixed" statement to the media already gave people a reason why think the 2001 Pepsi 400 was fixed. 1549. Tyson posted: 01.13.2016 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I don't think NASCAR has the ability to actually fix or rig a race tbh. There are too many variables that affect what happens in a race for the sanctioning body to rig something to go exactly their way. That said, they can manipulate certain things by throwing a phantom debris caution with a few laps to spice the finish up, like they did a lot this year, interestingly enough happening most often while a Penske car was leading... However, even through that manipulation, it's not always going to go the way that NASCAR wants it to. I don't think NASCAR manipulated, fix or rigged the finish to the 2001 Pepsi 400 but I do think Michael Waltrip and a few other drivers backed off at the end of the race to let Jr. have it a little easier because they knew how much the win would mean to him. I think that was a personal decision on their part. 1550. Eric posted: 01.13.2016 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here are my answers to dennyfan11's questions: 1.) I think it is one of Jeff Burton's Darlington rain out wins. 2.) 2009 Coca Cola 600 3.) This is a Tough one, but I have to give this one to Jerry Nadeau for unluckiest driver. I thought the first ever Chicagoland Race I in person summed up Jerry's career perfectly. When Jerry had a great car, something seems to happen to it. The 25 car to me was R & D at the time Jerry had it and showed. 4.) This is a tough one because I saw stinkers like the 2000 Daytona 500 and the 2008 Brickyard 400. For me it is the 2 2005 Charlotte races. My thinking of the 2 Charlotte races in 2005 is due to amount of cautions caused tire problems after Charlotte's surface took away the bumps. 5.) This is a tough one, but one of ESPN/ABC cup races takes the cake. I forgot which one, but ESPN/ABC claimed One of the Cup races to cover on one of the ESPN networks due to college football, but the channel ESPN Claimed had the race on actually had a basketball game instead without ESPN apologizing about it. 6.) I think the craziest NASCAR race I seen had to the 2012 Daytona 500 race. 7.) I think it has to be Bobby Allison. 8.) 2015 fall Martinsville race. 9.) 2004 Dover Race. 10.) Yes, there has race been races rigged. I think the Auto Club race was rigged, and the Spingate race. I do think they don't top the 1994 races that Jimmy Spencer won in the cup series. What happened there since Junior Johnson is going cheat anyway, Lets allow Jimmy's car to win so McDonald's can stay in NASCAR. 1551. 88&4Fan posted: 01.13.2016 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric- that was the 2014 Charlotte fall race. There was a college football game in overtime on ESPN and the scroll at the bottom of the screen said the race would be on ESPN2(?) but ESPN2 was showing a college basketball game. ESPN eventually switched to the race after the football game was over, but did not televise the first 25 laps of the race and never apologized. Pretty pathetic. 1552. MAR posted: 01.13.2016 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Current unemployed list 1. Regan Smith 2. David Ragan 3. David Gilliland 4. JJ.yeley 5. Jeb Burton 6. Josh Wise 7. Brett Moffitt 8. Landon Cassill 9. Timmy Hill 10. Mike Bliss 11. Cole Whitt 12. Parker Kligerman 13. James Buescher 14. Sam Hornish Jr 15. Ryan Preece 16. Travis Kvapil 17. Reed Sorenson 18. Austin Theriault 19. Cameron Hayley 20. Ryan Truex All these drivers can contribute to a team in Cup,Xfinty, or the truck series. 1553. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.13.2016 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My phone now autocorrects 'NASCAR' to 'mascara' for no reason. I'm done. 1554. Anonymous posted: 01.13.2016 - 2:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) god list mar i have a few drivers ass well -scott wimmer -david rutaman -jeff gordon -jimmy spenser -kyle petty -kevin conway -rob moroso -scott speed -marty houston -darek jetar -lowell bennett -joanna long -ron hornyday -steeve wallace -dario franchitti -tia norfleet 1555. Opie posted: 01.13.2016 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ If your going to insult someone's intelligence at lest have the balls to not hide behind 'Anonymous'. 1556. Tylor Thaber posted: 01.13.2016 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) @1554 is such a troll that I have to laugh. Let's see...several retired drivers, a retired baseball player in Jeter, several drivers who race elsewhere (Conway races Lambos, is actually really good at doing that, and Speed races rallycross), a DEAD driver in Moroso, and who the hell is Norfleet? Wait, isn't this the second time a list like this has been posted? @1552 Preece might return to the mods, I don't know for sure. 1557. Speed_Demon posted: 01.13.2016 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @1554 - It's called spellcheck - you should try it sometime. I felt myself loosing IQ points just reading that. 1558. 88&4Fan posted: 01.13.2016 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think 1554 was trying to parody a comment on Dakoda Armstrong's page that was so dumb that it was funny (right down to the "god list, i have one ass well"). Not the first time I've seen this comment before. It was funny the first few times but not anymore. 1559. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.13.2016 - 5:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Nah, it's probably the same person. 1560. joey2448 posted: 01.13.2016 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If your going to insult someone's intelligence at lest have the balls to not hide behind 'Anonymous'." I don't get the reasoning behind the idea that, if you use a personal username instead of simply "anonymous", you're suddenly not anonymous. We're all on this site using different usernames, we're not actually using our real names (at least most of us aren't). 1561. 88&4Fan posted: 01.13.2016 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Things that are funnier than the "god list i have one ass well" guy: - Your Mom jokes - Adam Sandler - Popsicle stick jokes - Watching Danica attempt to wreck Landon Cassill but wreck herself instead on a continuous loop (actually that is very funny) - Circus clowns 1562. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.13.2016 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Anonymous clearly doesn't understand comedy. There's nothing wrong with running gags-but if you keep using the same joke over and over again without any real variation on it, it gets old FAST. This "god list i have one ass well" joke was funny the first couple times...now it's just getting aggravating and played out. I wouldn't have minded if it was brought up every once in a while, but when you see this same joke multiple times in one day...sheesh... 1563. 88&4Fan posted: 01.13.2016 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 1560- Its because anyone can use the name "Anonymous." Its the default name that this website goes to for people who don't type in a name. Sure, most of us don't use our actual names, but if I made a comment like that I'd use 88&4Fan, the name that I've been using since I joined the website (with the rare exception of a few satire posts here and there and the brief time that I was 88&Ex4Fan because I was mad at Harvick for Talladega). People who hide behind the name "Anonymous" and act tough are nothing more than the typical keyboard warriors that you see on websites like Facebook and Yahoo. 1564. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.13.2016 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In other news, Powerball is at a record 1.5 billion +. Odds are 1 to ~300,000,000. I like those odds. 1565. 88&4Fan posted: 01.14.2016 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Regarding MAR's actual list, I definitely agree with a few of them (Smith, Cassill, Whitt, Kligerman, Ryan Truex, James Buescher), others I think can be useful as a mentor for younger drivers (Gilliland, Bliss, Kvapil), however I wouldn't be too disappointed if guys like Ragan or Timmah don't end up with rides. 1566. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.14.2016 - 1:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Smith- Will be surprised if he doesn't find something coming off one of his best seasons ever for JRM. Probably deserves one the most. Ragan- Won't be surprised if he has no ride or a garbage one. He got another chance this season and blew it, Gilliland- The window for cup has probably closed. I would love to see him in the 92 for trucks however my they ran well in limited starts this year. Yeley- Hope he finds a middle level Xfinity ride. Probably won't get any Cup offers though. Burton- Don't know what to think. Was decent in Trucks but his Cup season was really bad. Wise- It was his choice to leave Premium IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON without a backup (like Gaughan). If he is rideless then I won't feel that bad. Moffitt- Reigning ROTY, I think he'll find a ride somewhere. Cassill- He still has the Xfinity ride (I think?) and I think he will go to FRM. Hill- Hope he runs Premium's truck team full time, he's too inexperienced for Cup. Bliss- He's getting old and unfortunately I don't think he will get many options. Still a solid driver though. Whitt- Hope he gets a Cup ride somewhere. Kligerman- He's hardly been given a chance and I think he's unfortunately fallen off the face of the Earth. As least he has a fallback job with NBC. Buescher- Quite surprised he had no ride. Yeah, his 2014 sucked but this guy was a Truck champ 4 years ago. Give him a shot. Hornish- After his dismal 2015 I don't think he'll get many options. Probably would have been best to stick with Xfinity. Preece- He still has Modifieds, and he's still under contract for TBR, right? Kvapil- If he gets a ride, he should stick to Trucks. He's much better there. Sorenson- Still young, surprised he's kind of faded away. Theriault- He should get a shot somewhere. He was respectable in the 29. Hayley- I would think he would return to the 13. Or maybe not. Truex- Even though I like him, he really hasn't done anything notable in about 4-5 years. 1567. murb posted: 01.14.2016 - 2:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Smith- Will be surprised if he doesn't find something coming off one of his best seasons ever for JRM. Probably deserves one the most." At this point, I think his most likely destination is a part-time NXS ride for a good team (like splitting the #18 with Busch/Hamlin/Kenseth, or maybe splitting the #2 with Austin Dillon and Paul Menard). "Ragan- Won't be surprised if he has no ride or a garbage one. He got another chance this season and blew it," Honestly, I think he's pretty much done. He was doing a lot of TV work for Race Hub at the end of the year, so maybe he'll just transition into doing that while sporadically taking whichever rides he can get (sort of like what Kenny Wallace did there at the tail end of his career for a few years). "Burton- Don't know what to think. Was decent in Trucks but his Cup season was really bad." I imagine he'll return to BK, unless I missed an announcement somewhere that said otherwise. Regardless, I'd still like to see him get a few shots in good NXS or Truck equipment this year. "Buescher- Quite surprised he had no ride. Yeah, his 2014 sucked but this guy was a Truck champ 4 years ago. Give him a shot." He REALLY screwed up staying in Trucks that one extra year (2013). He apparently had the option to move up to NXS with Turner (which was still a really nice little team in that series then), but he personally made the choice to stay in Trucks for another year and everything just totally fizzled out (he left Turner at the end of the year once things started getting really weird there, and then the only decent-on-paper ride left was the RAB #99, which in reality turned out to be a total piece of trash). So I seriously have no idea. He did nothing in 2015 (other than a handful of Truck runs early in the year which were pretty "meh"), so I wonder if at this point teams have just totally forgotten about him. "Truex- Even though I like him, he really hasn't done anything notable in about 4-5 years." There was a rumor going around on Reddit that he had an announcement lined up pretty soon, and a lot of people were speculating that it could be the #43 NXS car now that Armstrong is gone. So maybe that will happen. 1568. murb posted: 01.14.2016 - 2:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, in the article I read about Rico Abreu going to Thorsport, they say Cameron Hayley will indeed be returning to the #13 truck (so I guess that means they will have a four truck team of Crafton/Hayley/Abreu/Rhodes). 1569. Alex posted: 01.14.2016 - 11:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) People should know by now that you can't make insults about users under the name of "anonymous" lest users return your insults with insults. Yet if you insult certain users under "anonymous," most of those same people will be the ones singing your praises. The time-honored rule all agree on, though, is that you should never go full retard under an "anonymous" post. 1570. racefangurl posted: 01.14.2016 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1566, Jeb Burton should maybe get some Xfinity starts. 1571. Quasar posted: 01.15.2016 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "With these cool conditions and the surface here being so good still, it's been tough to create the falloff that we're looking for," the Hendrick Motorsports driver said. "Bottom line is we're just fast. We're really fast. "When we took downforce off the car, they've lowered the gear ratio, a lot of things to kind of slow the cars down and we're every bit as fast if not faster than (with) the combination they had last year. â?¦ Obviously when we come back for the race, the sun will be out, hopefully we'll get the falloff we're looking for, the track will lose some grip and be slick but right now it's fast." ------------- Doesn't sound good at all. 1572. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 01.15.2016 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its been a while. To answer #1519's questions, 1) To my recollection, 2007 and 2012 at Pocono. Jeff Gordon won both races and the races were called within a commercial break or two of the red flag being put out. 2) The 2014 Firecracker 400 seemed to take a while to call it after already postponing the race a day. 3) In the big picture, Mark Martin. Finishing 2nd 5 times where an early season penalty cost him the title along with having one of the greatest seasons of all-time..except it happened in 1998 when Jeff Gordon had maybe the best modern era season ever. 4) As noted before, '08 Brickyard, '00 NH plate race. 5) The 2007-13 ESPN Dos Jotas narrative, to hell with anyone/anything else happening in the race. 6) '05 Coke 600, '02 fall Talladega was weird too. No cautions, all the Hendrick engines failed and Martin's steering went haywire and he nailed Dos Jotas during the parade laps. 7) I'm sure there's an official answer, but it seemed like Joe Nemechek drove for a different Cup team every year until he drove his own equipment. 8) The race Biffle won in Kansas before they had lights. I think it was either '07 or '08. 9) The N'wide Homestead race in 2013. They must've ran at least 10 laps more caution than was necessary. 10) Drivers have tried to change results for themselves. I feel that NASCAR throws BS cautions, but not necessarily for any driver/team/manufacturer. All they look for is a photo finish or to tighten up the points/chase standings. It works in the favor of some teams but also to their detriment. 1573. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 01.15.2016 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Also, Sherry Pollex announced that she's cancer free. Great to hear. 1574. 88&4Fan posted: 01.15.2016 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "2005 Coca Cola 600" Throw me in the minority here but I actually liked that race. A lot. Sure there were cautions every two laps but that was part of what made it so memorable. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who watch for the crashes. People always talk about how there a lot of tire issues in that race but I can really only think of three: Johnny Sauter, Travis Kvapil, and Joe Nemechek. Sure thats more than most races but it isn't like the 2008 Brickyard 400 or even the 2005 Fall race there (which did suck except for Nemechek and Rudd almost winning). Most of the cautions in that race were racing accidents, and hardly any of them were for debris. The fact that a lot of drivers crashed gave other guys the opportunity to have great runs that normally wouldn't get that chance. I remember Travis Kvapil, Kevin LePage, Robby Gordon, Scott Riggs, Jeff Green, Ken Schrader, and Nemechek all running great in that race and it was one of Bobby Labonte's last great races. And on top of all that it had an exciting photo finish. Oh well I guess we can't agree on everything. 1575. Driver X posted: 01.16.2016 - 12:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1. Shortest time before a race was called: 2009 Daytona 500. 2. The 2015 Coke Zero 400. I still don't understand to this day why the race was run on Sunday, I think it was because of some fireworks special. The race ended just past 3am with a SCARY crash at the end of the race. 3. I have to say Mark Martin. The 2007 Daytona 500 was his best chance at winning the big one. And if he somehow wins the 2009 championship, does he ride off into the sunset instead of hanging on for four more years? Only time will tell. 4. The 2009 AMP Energy 500 (Didn't end up seeing the finish, but heard the race was pretty terrible due to the no bump drafting rule) 5. The 2008 Checker Auto Parts 500. There are 34 laps to go in the race, and ABC moves the finish to ESPN2 at 7:30 in the Mountain and Pacific time zones for America's Funniest Home Videos. Marinate on that for a moment. They SERIOUSLY couldn't air the final 34 laps? Talk about a Heidi moment. I was pretty upset when Allen Bestwick said: "Not something we WANT to do, but something we HAVE to do." Really now? I believe that Dos Jotas had a 140+ pt. lead at the time, and if something happened to Carl Edwards, Jimmie would have clinched the championship. Imagine the hell that would have been raised had that happened... 6. The 2013 Aaron's 499. This is in due part to the fact that it likely will be David Ragan's final win in Cup, and how the Front Row cars snuck up there at the end to finish 1-2. 7. Probably Joe Nemechek. 8. The 2000 Diehard 500 qualifying session and the 2005 Aaron's 312. (First Busch series race to be run in primetime on OTA TV, albeit unintentionally) 9. The 10 lap caution at the end of the 2013 season finale for the Nationwide Series. They should have red flagged the race. 10. Oh man....where to begin. First, I have to say the 2009 Allstate 400. JP Montoya had the most dominant car out there, and would have won the race easily had he not received a BS pit road penalty. And of course JJ wins. The 2015 Auto Club 400. 1 legit debris caution and 1 BS debris caution, and a non-caution for Greg Biffle, screwing Kurt Busch out of what would have been a well-deserved victory. 1576. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.16.2016 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Here's my own question for everyone: What do you think is the most important date in NASCAR history? (i.e. March 8, September 25, etc.) I say Februrary 18. The 1979 Daytona 500 was held on that date and that was the one race that help NASCAR reach prominence and popularity today. It also had other exciting Daytona 500's with notable events including 1990, 1996, and 2007, all of which were held on the 18th. And then we all know what happened in 2001 with one of the best 500's ever which unfortunately ended in the worst way possible. There is much history with this date that I had to choose it. 1577. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 01.16.2016 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Was watching college basketball between UMass and Davidson and heard Rick Allen on commentary. Was very weird on hearing him call a college basketball game. He did a good job but it was just weird. 1578. 88&4Fan posted: 01.16.2016 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And he goes for the three point... oh no, there's a PRAWBLEM (or nowadays, ISH-SHUE) as he misses the shot!" I can only imagine him saying that. 1579. Alex posted: 01.16.2016 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (8) It is now safe to say that the Chiefs are worthless piece of crap team that got about 8 more wins than they deserved courtesy of playing a sh*t schedule. 1580. 88&4Fan posted: 01.16.2016 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Nah, the Patriots are just that good. 1581. Alex posted: 01.16.2016 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) ^How much football have you actually watched in the last 10 years? The statement you just made showed total ignorance. 1582. 88&4Fan posted: 01.16.2016 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Wow calm down dude I mean seriously you don't have to be a dick over nothing... seriously. 1583. Anonymous posted: 01.16.2016 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) 88 and 4 fan, do not bother trying to debate anything with The Almighty Alex. You must not have the memo yet that nobody ever questions The Almighty Alex. Those who question The Almighty Alex will be talked down to because nobody is as superior as The Almighty Alex. 1584. Opie posted: 01.16.2016 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) 1581 - What football have you been watching? The Patriots have been uber dominant the last decade. 1585. 88&4Fan posted: 01.16.2016 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Alex, stop giving the rest of Redskins Nation a bad name please. Not all of us have to resort to downplaying the achievements of other teams (that are better than us, no less) and acting superior to those who do acknowledge those achievements. I hate the Cowboys, Eagles, and Seahawks with a passion. But I still respect their accomplishments (okay, except for the Eagles, who have none lol). Even the Seahawks who have been ridiculously lucky the past few years during the playoffs, I respect them for coming back from slow starts two years in a row, making the playoffs and last year making the Super Bowl (even though they had to rely on a dropped onside kick recovery to do so). The Chiefs have won 11 straight games this year. I don't care who they were against. If they were truly not that good of a team, wouldn't they have lost a few of those games. And what about the Redskins? We didn't beat a single team over .500 this year. You have no room to talk. 1586. Chives5150 posted: 01.16.2016 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Cool, another classic overreaction by Alex. 1587. 88&4Fan posted: 01.16.2016 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Game. Of. The. Year. Now that the Redskins are out I really want to see the Cardinals take it all the way. They've never won one before and they seem to be a pretty likeable team. I think (hope) the Panthers will destroy the Seahawks tomorrow and the NFC Championship should be epic. But I don't think anything can beat what I just watched tonight. Also great to see Aaron Rodgers have yet another clutch performance to bring it to OT. He is one of the great players of our generation and even while I was watching him destroy my Skins last week I've always had the greatest respect for him. 1588. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.17.2016 - 12:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Speaking of Rick Allen, I was also pleasantly surprised to see Allen Bestwick commentating on college football, and he did a good job. I miss his broadcasting, the early 2000's NBC trio of Bestwick, Parsons, and Dallenbach was great. I hope he'll get a job in NASCAR again. 1589. cjs3872 posted: 01.17.2016 - 3:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dennyfan11 (#1519), the NASCAR race that had the longest caution would probably have to have been the 1973 Winston 500 at Talladega on May 6, 1973. On lap 10, Ramo Stott blew an engine exiting turn 2, igniting a pile-up that involved over 20 cars, knocking 19 out of the race. Those involved included Buddy Baker, Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison, and Gordon Johncock (the latter two would both be in the disaster-marred Indianapolis 500 at the end of that month, which Johncock won), among many, many others. Richard Petty's car suffered a damaged crank case from driving through debris from that crash (his car was otherwise undamaged). That race was never stopped and the caution flag was out for 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 37 laps were run under the caution flag for that huge crash, the first of the "big ones" at Talladega. 1590. Alex posted: 01.17.2016 - 5:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) "1583. Anonymous posted: 01.16.2016 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) 88 and 4 fan, do not bother trying to debate anything with The Almighty Alex. You must not have the memo yet that nobody ever questions The Almighty Alex. Those who question The Almighty Alex will be talked down to because nobody is as superior as The Almighty Alex. " Ironic that you are getting thumbed up after everyone said making statements like yours under the anonymous name is unacceptable. Hypocrites much? If you've paid full attention (hard to with 32 teams), you'd see that this years Patriots are hardly near the strength of any of the previous years. If the Patriots were "that good," they'd have scored a lot more points than they did. 1591. Alex posted: 01.17.2016 - 5:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (2) Cardinals and Packers like playoff overtime thrillers, don't they? 1592. Alex posted: 01.17.2016 - 9:40 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Anyways, I really owe you an apology, 88&4Fan. I've been really ragging on you lately when you haven't done anything against me. 1593. Alex posted: 01.17.2016 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Dennyfan11 (#1519), the NASCAR race that had the longest caution would probably have to have been the 1973 Winston 500 at Talladega on May 6, 1973. On lap 10, Ramo Stott blew an engine exiting turn 2, igniting a pile-up that involved over 20 cars, knocking 19 out of the race. Those involved included Buddy Baker, Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison, and Gordon Johncock (the latter two would both be in the disaster-marred Indianapolis 500 at the end of that month, which Johncock won), among many, many others. Richard Petty's car suffered a damaged crank case from driving through debris from that crash (his car was otherwise undamaged). That race was never stopped and the caution flag was out for 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 37 laps were run under the caution flag for that huge crash, the first of the "big ones" at Talladega. " There were 100+ lap long cautions at Nashville and Bristol in the 1960s, but the time spent under those yellows isn't really known. 1594. The Long Shot posted: 01.17.2016 - 11:18 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "It is now safe to say that the Chiefs are worthless piece of crap team that got about 8 more wins than they deserved courtesy of playing a sh*t schedule." Pittsburgh, Denver, Buffalo, and Oakland (2x) weren't bad at all last year; the former two will be facing off against each other this afternoon. The Chiefs are hardly worthless; were it not for Andy Reid's horrific clock management skills and Alex Smith being the perennial beacon of mediocrity that he is, they could easily have won that game. Last night's game wasn't as great as some are making it out to be. The finish was maybe the most insane in NFL history, of course, but people let that finish mask the fact that the rest of the game was fairly mediocre/poor. 1595. 88&4Fan posted: 01.17.2016 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its all good Alex, opinions are opinions, just respect those of others. I do respect you as a poster here and all the work that you've put into this website. HTTR 1596. cjs3872 posted: 01.17.2016 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) The Patriots have also been besieged by injuries this season, Alex (#1590). Yesterday against the Chiefs, they were at full strength offensively for the first time in who knows how long, and I think it showed. The Chiefs have one of the best defenses in the NFL, and at times, even they looked average against a full-strength Patriots offense. However, yesterday's games continued a disturbing trend when it comes to game management, and that is that coaches have somehow forgotten how to use the clock late in games, as we saw both winning teams fail to manage the clock properly and let the teams they beat back in games they should have had in the bag. In the KC/NE game, Bill Belichick allowed the Chiefs more time than they should have had by throwing twice when he had a 2 TD lead with 7 minutes to play, and then the Chiefs took far too much time on their final scoring drive. Then in the GB/AZ game, AZ coach Bruce Arians, for some reason, called a pass with 2:40 left when simply running the ball would have bled the clock to the 2 minute warning. And speaking of bad game management, how on Earth can you let a receiver get BEHIND the defense on 4th and 20 when they're backed up on their own goal line. I have no problem with the Hail Mary pass that followed, since that was nothing more than a case of the offensive player having inside position on the defenders, so there was little the DBs could do to prevent that catch. I don't know why game and clock management has become a lost art, but it certainly has become a lost art in coaching and on the field, and we saw that in spades in both games, and by at least three of the four teams involved in those two games. 1597. 88&4Fan posted: 01.17.2016 - 2:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Loving this game right now. Seahawks luck finally ran out. 1598. NASCARLover22 posted: 01.17.2016 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) ^Unfortunately, you might be wrong as the Seahawks cut the Panthers' lead down to 17. Go Panthers!!!! 1599. 88&4Fan posted: 01.17.2016 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Nope! Game over. 1600. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 01.17.2016 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Watching Lucas Oil Off Road Racing. The Biff made an appearance testing a Pro 2 Truck with Brian Deegan. Maybe when the Biffle is done with NASCAR he will do short course off road racing. I'd watch it. :-) 1601. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.17.2016 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) As long as the Deflatriots don't win it all, I'm happy. 1602. racefangurl posted: 01.17.2016 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1600, I've watched a little off road racing myself. It's actually fun to watch. The Biff would be an old guy there, but old guys do short track racing. For example, Sterling Marlin got racing at Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway after his NASCAR career. 1603. Canadianfan posted: 01.19.2016 - 11:47 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well some things have happened today. None of them good. Chase system for Xfinity (12 drivers) and Trucks this year (8 drivers). And something about a caution clock for every 20 minutes of green a caution or something like that let the shit storm begin. 1604. MAR posted: 01.19.2016 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) A caution clock WTF?????? And as far as a chase in xfinity I don't see how this is any good this year if cup guys are still allowed to compete. As far as a chase in trucks the series didn't need it but it will be more interesting than a xfinity chase cause cup guys seem to be leaving the trucks series alone. 1605. Canadianfan posted: 01.19.2016 - 11:58 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) the clock is only for the truck series for now but you can bet it will be in cup next year. 20 minutes from the time of the green flag it starts. If it reaches 0 a caution is thrown. No clock for the last 20 laps. It resets if there is a caution flag. 1606. Canadianfan posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is talk that this would eventually lead to no cup guys during the 7 race chase for two other series. Since they could affect the outcome. 1607. Nathan8848 posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I hope 1605 is a joke. A Caution Clock is horrendous idea. 1608. NASCARLover22 posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in my entire life. What's next, every time a driver complains on the scanner a caution comes out? Or how about every time a driver has to take a bathroom break, the caution comes out??? Sounds good to me! 1609. Nathan8848 posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Xfinity is also having heat races. 1610. Canadianfan posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No sorry no joke it is all over twitter, Reddit and NASCAR right now. Only for trucks though. 1611. Nathan8848 posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) So it's like a shot clock. NASCAR and their quest to be like a ball sport. 1612. Canadianfan posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Bristol, Richmond, Dover and Indy are the tracks that will have heat racing in Xfinity. 1613. Nathan8848 posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I bet we will still have random Jacques cautions. 1614. I Lost My Name posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This yellow clock is crazy. The chase needs to go away not expand. All of these ideas are just making things worst. I don't know what nascar is thinking. 1615. Nathan8848 posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No lucky dog when the the clock expires. Lucky dog will only happen with cautions inside the timeframe. 1616. Cooper posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Questionable decisions by NASCAR. Not going to form an opinion until I see it. But first reaction, was WTF. 1617. David posted: 01.19.2016 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, it happened. We should have known it was coming sooner or later. The Chase: coming to you in 2016 from all three national series. 1618. Eric posted: 01.19.2016 - 1:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I am done with watching the Truck Series and I hope rest of the fans of the Trucks follow my lead. I don't care if the truck series is gone now because of the Caution clock. The Caution Clock is the dumbest thing you can do in any racing series. The Fact is the people in charge of NASCAR including Brian France needs to be drug tested. 1619. BMan0213 posted: 01.19.2016 - 1:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even though I hate the Chase I can deal with it being in the other series. I mean it was pretty clear it was gonna happen at some point. This Caution Clock rule though, might be the dumbest idea I've seen NASCAR come up with. Hopefully it will be gone in a year like the pit stop rules NASCAR made for the Truck Series back in 2009. 1620. Canadianfan posted: 01.19.2016 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I could see it being undone by Daytona. Every comment on twitter and Reddit, here and Facebook have been negative towards the idea of a caution clock. 1621. A Dead NASCAR posted: 01.19.2016 - 1:41 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Stop it! Just stop! I'm already dead! 1622. 88&4Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 1:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) What a damn joke. Has Braindead ruined the sport that his father worked so hard to bring into the mainstream enough already? Rockingham, IRP, Memphis, Nashville, all gone. The Car of Tomorrow, the wave-around, a different aero package every year, but okay I can live with all that. But the last few years? The eliminator chase, an increasing amount of Jacques cautions, rigged finishes, drivers missing races and still being in championship contention, now this idiotic charter system that is bound to happen, the chase in the other two series, and a CAUTION CLOCK??? That might be dumber than all of the other ideas combined. I am really starting to believe that June 4, 2007 was the saddest day in Auto Racing because if Bill, Jr. were still around he would've smacked some sense into Braindead. 1623. NASCAR8824 posted: 01.19.2016 - 2:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) So, I noticed that you guys where talking about driving earlier this month, so I have a question. At Railroad Crossings: When lights are flashing/gates are down etc, why do a lot of cars not stop? I personally think that there should be some kind of big punishment for this. ALWAYS obey flashing lights, it could save your life. 1624. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) Logano has the lead. He passes it to Johnson. 10 seconds left on the green clock. A screen by the lapped car of J.J. Yeley. He blocks Johnson. Kurt Busch comes into the picture and makes the shot. Bang! He takes the lead as the caution clock comes out. Are you kidding me NASCAR? Or should I say NASKETBALL? 1625. I really used to like Nascar, really posted: 01.19.2016 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In case no one has said it already, WWE here we come. 1626. Anonymous posted: 01.19.2016 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Racing Fact: NASCAR racer Glenn Dunnaway, the DQed winner of the first Cup race, and 1980 Le Mans winner Jean Rondeau both died in crossing accidents where they were hit by trains while driving. Remember Kids, look, listen and live. 1627. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.19.2016 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "At Railroad Crossings: When lights are flashing/gates are down etc, why do a lot of cars not stop? I personally think that there should be some kind of big punishment for this. ALWAYS obey flashing lights, it could save your life." Overconfidence on people's parts. Those people obviously believe they can easily beat the train and are (often) in a hurry to get somewhere...so they feel the risk is worth taking. People are often VERY overconfident in themselves. Look at how many talk on the cell phone while driving, if you asked most of them they would probably say they do an excellent job at multi-tasking when really they don't... As for this whole caution clock rule...NASCAR, you CAN'T be serious. I guess they decided to listen to the majority in the fan council who wanted there to be more caution periods so there could be more restarts and excitement. This is a dark day for the sport folks-the day of the mandatory caution periods is upon us...And sadly, upon hearing about this I get the feeling this is something that's going to stick around whether we like it or not. For we all know today's NASCAR (and Brian France, in particular) is ALL about making every single race a classic for the ages and trying to pick up the fair-weather fans... 1628. Clint posted: 01.19.2016 - 2:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) The caution clock is something a 5 year old would think up, if that expands to the cup series the races are going to go from 3-3 1/2 hours to 4 hours that's ridiculous. Nascar needs to tighten it's belt and go from 36 races back to 32. Cut a month out from October to November and avoid competing with the NFL. No one can compete with the NFL, they are the top sport in the US and Nascar cannot go head to head and win. All it breeds are dumb decisions like caution clocks and the chase. Also you could eliminate the 2nd Pocono race and get rid of 3 mile and a half dates. For a series with the same set of competitors each week there is absolutely no justifiable reason have a playoff system. Playoff systems exist in sports where differences in difficulty of schedule can be mitigated, there is none of that in Nascar. I can't believe what a gong show Nascar is becoming, if they could figure out a way to not kill someone in a figure 8 race they would be doing that for ratings. 1629. murb posted: 01.19.2016 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) This is just exhausting at this point. 1630. Daniel posted: 01.19.2016 - 3:02 pm Rate this comment: (5) (1) Simple. Do what I did last year. Quit watching it. Stick with Indycar. You won't miss it a bit. 1631. The Long Shot posted: 01.19.2016 - 3:12 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Hey look, more reason for me to stop giving a shit about NASCAR. If anyone had any doubts about NASCAR's faux cautions from the past years and years, well, I rest my case. 1632. NASCARLover22 posted: 01.19.2016 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) In other sport related news, the Rams will relocate to Los Angeles for the 2016 NFL season. 1633. dennyfan11 posted: 01.19.2016 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) About the question I asked about races being rigged, personally, I don't believe any NASCAR race has ever been rigged. The fake debris cautions may MANIPULATE the race, but i don't think they can straight up RIG it. Though, for example, Kurt Busch losing because of a fake debris caution COULD be fishy, I don't think so. Honestly, I think that they would rig the race so he COULD win, so they could be all like "What a amazing comeback story!" and all that. However, this whole "caution clock" thing might be the SINGLE stupidest gimmick ever devised in NASCAR HISTORY! Seriously, this makes the 1991 pit rules look sane. 1634. 88&4Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian France has been given the Wikipedia treatment. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_France&action=submit 1635. Anonymous posted: 01.19.2016 - 3:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "No one can compete with the NFL" That's why you put a whole bunch of funding into concussion research. You can't beat them on the field, but you can off it. 1636. MAR posted: 01.19.2016 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) In other news Bass pro shops will reunite with Martin Truex Jr this season for 9 races. 1637. Ak47 posted: 01.19.2016 - 4:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This Landon cassill news is pretty exciting. Pending the value of this new relationship with Roush, this could be by far the best situation Landon has ever been in. My predictions for all rookies/drivers taking over new rides in 2016: Ryan Blaney #21 - 5 top5s 13 top10s 10th-18th in points (depending if he makes the chase) Chase Elliott #24 - 3 top5s 10 top10s 19th in points Clint Bowyer #15 (HScott) - 2 top5s 6 top10s - 22nd in points Landon Cassill #38 - a top 5 & 3-5 top 10s 24th in points Brian Scott #9 - 3-5 top10s 25th in points Chris Buescher #34 - 1-3 top10s 26th in points David Ragan #23 - 30th avg finish 33rd in points 1638. Ak47 posted: 01.19.2016 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And for Jeffrey Earnhardt in the #32, lets just say it'll be 2015 Jeb Burton reincarnated 1639. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1636 With Bass Pro sponsoring Truex again, does this mean they won't sponsor Stewart? On Jayski for Stewart they've listed the paints schemes for Code 3, Rush, and Mobil 1...but not Bass Pro Shops. And SHR usually releases paint schemes all at once. But it is nice to see Kenseth back with DeWalt and now Truex back with Bass Pro Shops. 1640. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Quit watching it." Yes!!!!! I think we all know that NASCAR is pulling these horrible ideas to get more ratings (are seriously that dumb to think that will help it make more popular???) Maybe if everyone tunes out of the broadcast they will begin to receive the message. And I think we all know the turning point was 2004, when the Winston Cup era ended and you know who took, the end of the golden age of NASCAR. In 2020, I think we'll be talking about how much we miss Sprint Cup, it will be that bad. No Truck Series for me next year. If this spreads to Cup in 2017 I may do the same. Who's with me? 1641. typo posted: 01.19.2016 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCARLover22, you're a little late to be saying that. 1642. Cooper posted: 01.19.2016 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) Trucks race at Pocono. Track is so long you can pit under green and get away without a losing a lap. Once the "Yellow Flag Clock" hits 1 minute, everyone hits pit road. This should be fun when the clock stops where will the scoring loops have everyone. Kind of like musical chairs at 180 MPH. IF you watch NASCAR for the laughs the sport is awesome. But if you watch it for the racing and the sportsmanship this sport is finished. 1643. 88&4Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I really hope they invent time machines soon, so that I can go back and convince Bill Jr. to not create Braindead. 1644. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.19.2016 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What's next from NASCAR, I can only wonder. Are we going to have it be like the old Winston/All-Star Races and have the fans vote every race on how many of the lead lap cars get their positions inverted on restarts...? A "fan vote" option to add a driver to the Chase? Honestly, I would not put anything like those past NASCAR at this point... 1645. 88&4Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I called this when they first announced the elimination chase format in January of 2014: By 2020, the chase will have 20 cars in it. The top 15 drivers in points, the 2 other full-time drivers with the most wins, a champions provisional, a fan vote, and a Danica provisional. 1646. Anonymous posted: 01.19.2016 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (4) (2) no one can defend this sport with a straight face. if you actually like this, then you are not a motorsports fan, you are a fool. 1647. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Let's see: -A 16 driver chase with crazy eliminations for the sole purpose of entertainment, not racing -Mandatory cautions to breed false racing, which also hurts integrity -Charters (most likely happening) -Too many look alike tracks and cookie cutters -"Stock" cars that are different based on a decal only that produce worse racing than the gen 4 car (it's also debateable if they're safer on super speedways) -Questionable/Possibly Fixed Outcomes and Manipulations -A rule book written in pencil and not ink -"Exceptions" (I.e. The Danica rule in the Unlimited) -A leader that has all of the wrong goals for the future and continues to drive away hard core fans -A company that wants $ and ratings above everything else This isn't even NASCAR anymore. 1648. Sean posted: 01.19.2016 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I must slightly dissent I'm afraid. *If* you are going to have artificial debris cautions, better to legitimize the gimmick rather than have it be a de facto gimmick. While I certainly would rather cautions are only thrown when they are actually needed, if they get rid of the debris cautions now that they have this, I'd rather see this. At least teams can adjust their strategies based on something predictable rather than the whim of when the officials decide they want a caution. At least this will no longer benefit arguably specific drivers and hurt others so much. Of course I don't want automatic cautions but if they are going to insist on intentionally bunching up the field for no reason as they are, better to schedule it so the teams can adjust and remove the luck factor in the race and remove the suspicion that NASCAR times these things to benefit specific drivers. CART/Champ Car in its dying years had the nearly as idiotic mandatory pit windows that attempted to remove strategy in a similar way, so it's not like this is very unprecedented. It seems like gimmicks have taken ove racing in general, not just NASCAR, and I don't really think IndyCar is *much* better than NASCAR was, Danny. IndyCar is about as gimmicky as NASCAR Cup was in the years right before the chase/GWC started, which was still gimmicky. 1649. Anonymous posted: 01.19.2016 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean - what's more likely is that nobody will bother racing too hard until the last segment. Racing on more short tracks and road courses is apparently a foreign concept above K&N Pro level. 1650. 88&4Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Anonymous hit the nail on the head. That is the worst part about this "caution clock". There won't be any racing until the final segment. Every single race will be just like the 2008 Brickyard 400, but without the tire failures. 1651. Chives5150 posted: 01.19.2016 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Every single race will be just like the 2008 Brickyard 400, but without the tire failures." I think 88&4Fan hit the nail on the head even harder with this one. 1652. Eldrick posted: 01.19.2016 - 9:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Does nascar.com still allow visitors to post comments (I'm not risking my computer by going there to find out)? If so, has anyone been there to see what the low-IQ end of the NASCAR fan bell curve thinks of today's idiotic changes? If Blithering Brian can't even impress that type with these gimmicks, then maybe there is hope for rapid repeal. 1653. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.19.2016 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1652 Don't know about commenting there but you should still be able to view the comments without an account. 1654. RaceFanX posted: 01.19.2016 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "-A company that wants $ and ratings above everything else" That's every sport bud...actually that's everything television related. 1655. Six posted: 01.19.2016 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 2016 NASCAR preseason Top 25 1. 22- Joey Logano 2. 2- Brad Keselowski 3. 18- Kyle Busch 4. 4- Kevin Harvick 5. 48- Jimmie Johnson 6. 20- Mattt Jenseth 7. 19- Carl Edwards 8. 11- Denny Hamlin 9. 88- Dale Earnhardt Jr 10. 78- Martin Truex Jr 11. 41- Kurt Busch 12. 5- Kasey Kahne 13. 24- Chase Elliott 14. 31- Ryan Newman 15. 42- Kyle Larson 16. 1- Jamie McMurray 17. 3- Austin Dillon 18. 43- Aric Almirola 19. 21- Ryan Blaney 20. 27- Paul Menard 21. 16- Greg Biffle 22. 17- Ricky Stenhouse 23. 13- Casey Mears 24. 14- Tony Stewart 25. 47- AJ Allmendinger 1656. Driver X posted: 01.19.2016 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) NA$CAR has really gone down the tubes in the past few years. First, the stupid points system, which was not broken in the first place. Then, the stupid playoff tournament-style format of the Chase for the Sprint Cup, which makes no sense whatsoever. NOW, a Chase for the Xfinity and Truck Series?? Why can't Brainless leave NASCAR alone? AND not to mention 20 minute caution periods? (If only for the Trucks) Somebody get BF to an AA meeting. ASAP. Because no person with any ounce of sanity in their body would think of anything so asinine. If he even SUGGESTED this back in the day, he would be laughed out of the boardroom. The fact that he is serious shows the sad and pathetic state of the sport today. RIP NASCAR. 1949-2016. 1657. racefangurl posted: 01.19.2016 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1640, I don't watch Trucks very much because I don't have FoxSports1 at home. The only Truck race I've watched is 'Dega2. 1658. Cornys posted: 01.20.2016 - 9:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @1630 "Simple. Do what I did last year. Quit watching it. Stick with Indycar. You won't miss it a bit." I did this in 2014 when the Cup Chase was initiated. We are not the only ones. Their TV ratings have been going up by 12% or more each year since 2014. Another forum I'm a member of has people come in all the time and post saying that they ditched NASCAR for IndyCar. 1659. Cornys posted: 01.20.2016 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @1648 Sean " IndyCar is about as gimmicky as NASCAR Cup was in the years right before the chase/GWC started, which was still gimmicky." I understand that, and agree, although we have generally disagreed in the past on the nature of IndyCar. However, the level of gimmicks in Cup in 2003 was minimal, and more than acceptable to me. No, it's not ideal, but it was acceptable and enjoyable. Currently, it's the best alternative to NASCAR in my opinion. I just wish there didn't have to be an alternative. I'd love to follow both series, but cannot get into NASCAR anymore. It's over done now. By far. 1660. Scott B posted: 01.20.2016 - 1:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was prepared for the Chase coming to the lower series, that was inevitable. The "caution clock" took me by surprise, I'm still trying to digest that one. About the only good thing I can say about it is I'd rather have this than phantom debris cautions, since those can be manipulated to save a favored driver from going laps down. The clock makes it a bit more neutral. But, yeah, I'd really like to go back to throwing cautions only when there is a legitimate safety issue. Also, NASCAR please stop with the BS about this giving teams more chances to adjust on the trucks and bringing more strategy into play. This is about bunching up the field for a periodic restart, because, well... you can't just let the best team on that day win the race, can you? 1661. Tide1732 posted: 01.20.2016 - 1:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) Another Rumors Yeley or Whitt in #26 Wise to #35? Gilliand or Smith to #46, Annett is almost change this number for #51 1662. Mike posted: 01.20.2016 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) @1660: Extra neutral, since there won't be a Lucky Dog for caution-clock cautions. @1661: Um, hell no. We already know Front Row is closing the #35, we already know HScott is only running two cars next year (Bowyer and Annett), and Yeley's been very clear he won't be back with BK. Stop making shit up. 1663. BluesTravelerFan posted: 01.20.2016 - 2:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) On another note, if you guys are interested Athlon Sports preview magazine is out. Always a good one. As to what has been discussed recently, NASCAR reached beyond the level of ridiculous a long time ago, so I guess one more thing won't kill me... Good to be back guys. 1664. racefangurl posted: 01.20.2016 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1661, I'd like to see Cole in the 26 and Regan in the 46 of the names you give for those cars. They need rides. 1665. Tyson posted: 01.20.2016 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I like how whenever Tide comments on something he just totally makes something up and calls it a rumour. Lol. There has to be some sort of evidence or legitimate belief behind it for anyone to even remotely believe that it *could* be true. 1666. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.20.2016 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Track is so long you can pit under green and get away without losing a lap." Not only would I not want to be the person that sorts the running order after that, but imagine the final race at Homestead. 2 laps to go, (insert driver here) is leading the race and then the caution clock runs out! On the restart, they spin the tires, wreck, and then someone else undeservingly wins the race AND the championship! This is a joke. Burton Smith (since he owns the majority of the tracks), the owners, and the drivers need to pool their money together and start a new racing series, emphasis on racing. 1667. TIDE1732's COOL MADE UP PREDICTIONS!!! posted: 01.20.2016 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) @Tide1732: I also heard that Zach Bruenger might go to Team Xtreme. Or Kyle Fowler going part time in a 5th Hendrick car. Or how about the best lie *cough* rumor of all? DANICA PATRICK AND RICKY STENHOUSE JR. MAKING THEIR OWN TEAM SO THEY'LL HAVE MORE TIME FOR EACH OTHER. I heard the numbers for the team are #69, #4, and #20!!! OMG!!! 1668. Tylor Thaber posted: 01.20.2016 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) @1667 You added too many words to that statement. Tide skips every other word, remember? Downvote. Note, I have nothing against people whose first language isn't English. However, this is an English speaking site. Try learning more of the language. 1669. David posted: 01.20.2016 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I find myself agreeing with Sean once again. It's a silly gimmick, but better that than questionable debris cautions at random intervals. It looks like NASCAR is just testing this out in the Truck series for the time being, though. I think there's a good chance that it may be gone by this time next year (like the '09 pit road rules BMan0213 mentioned, which I had forgotten completely about). But there's an equal chance it's expanded. We'll have to see. 1670. murb posted: 01.20.2016 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It looks like NASCAR is just testing this out in the Truck series for the time being, though. I think there's a good chance that it may be gone by this time next year (like the '09 pit road rules BMan0213 mentioned, which I had forgotten completely about)." This is my same thought process as well. Honestly, I think I'll be surprised if it DOES last permanently. I have a real hard time believing the drivers will embrace it. 1671. murb posted: 01.20.2016 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Also, the more I've thought about it I really don't have much of a problem with NXS and Trucks getting the Chase, since from what I've read it really seems like this is gonna start to be the end of Cup driver domination in those series (with Cup drivers being banned at Homestead and whatnot - and I seriously get the feeling that by 2017 we'll see Cup drivers completely banned from the lower series, since that was the rumor when all of this stuff came out a few weeks ago, and I'm guessing the only reason that they didn't do a full ban on Cup guys for this year was because all the teams had their sponsorship packages and stuff wrapped up already). I DO think that the actual Chase format (and just the way points are scored in general) still needs a pretty sizable overhaul, but overall I really don't have too much of an issue with them adding it to NXS and Trucks. It would be cool if we could have at least ONE series use a year-long points system, but oh well. 1672. 88&4Fan posted: 01.20.2016 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) "I have a real hard time believing the drivers will embrace it." Ten years ago you're probably right. But nowadays drivers are such cowardly yes-men (with the exception of a select few, one of whom is retiring after this year) that any driver who speaks out against Supreme Overlord Brian will be fined $1,000,000,000 and have their mouth duct-taped shut. Why do you think nobody has spoken out against the elimination chase? If Braindead came up with that idea as recently as 2007, I guarantee there would be at least ten drivers talking about how utterly stupid it is. Look at Kyle Busch, the very first race of the CoT, he got out in victory lane and said it sucked. Nobody would ever say that now because if they did who knows what Supreme Overlord Brian would do to them. 1673. racefangurl posted: 01.20.2016 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just so wish Cole Whitt and Regan Smith would both land rides. 1674. murb posted: 01.20.2016 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Look at Kyle Busch, the very first race of the CoT, he got out in victory lane and said it sucked. Nobody would ever say that now because if they did who knows what Supreme Overlord Brian would do to them." What about when Hamlin criticized the Gen 6 after Phoenix in 2013? Or when Keselowski a few months back said "it's not a fair sport, it's an entertainment sport"? Or hell, even the way Kenseth passive-aggressively handled the whole Logano situation (which I think was directly targeted at his frustration with the Chase format itself)? You're not really wrong I guess, but I think people way over exaggerate this whole "corporate yes men" thing, at least when it comes to how they react to controversial things happening in the sport. The drivers' personalities in general are probably more cardboard cut-out then they were say ten years ago (that's probably pushing it though since most of the top guys now were all still around ten years ago - I'll say 20 years ago), but I think when it comes to actual changes ongoing in the sport they've been fairly vocal and have shown that they care in recent years. Plenty of guys have been vocal about Nascar's inconsistencies with rulings (things like last Fall's Talladega come to mind), and when the drivers really lobby hard for something (a perfect example being the new low down force package), Nascar has shown that they are at least willing to listen. So I think it's too illogical and over the top to just say that something won't change because the drivers are corporate yes men and are afraid of getting fined, and in fairness to Nascar I think it's also illogical to say that they are just gonna blindly go through with something if the drivers and/or fans express an OVERWHELMING dislike to it (and if you argue the Chase here, I wouldn't call that an overwhelming dislike - not nearly as much as this "caution clock"). So I think if there IS enough blowback, they'll eventually get rid of it. It is yet another heinously stupid rule, but there have been plenty of other heinously stupid rules that have been overturned in the past as well (the aforementioned 2009 Truck pit rules, the dumbass 2015 Daytona 500 qualifying format, etc), so it wouldn't nearly be the first time. And hell, even if it doesn't come from the drivers, like I said, I have yet to see even one fan say anything positive about the caution clock (granted I haven't been on Nascar.com in about seven or eight years and don't plan to anytime soon), so if all else fails maybe they'll panic once the fans start trashing it. In any case, I'll be surprised if it lasts very long. 1675. The Long Shot posted: 01.21.2016 - 1:10 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "and in fairness to Nascar I think it's also illogical to say that they are just gonna blindly go through with something if the drivers and/or fans express an OVERWHELMING dislike to it (and if you argue the Chase here, I wouldn't call that an overwhelming dislike - not nearly as much as this "caution clock")" I'll one-up you here and say that the Chase and the "caution clock" are not comparable whatsoever. The Chase actually is enjoyable to a significant portion of the NASCAR fanbase (even if the drivers detest it), and for that reason I doubt it goes away anytime soon. But the "caution clock": based on everyone's reaction (both drivers and fans included), I'll be amazed if it lasts more than a year or two. They could very well kill it midseason. Let's calm down with the overreactions: NASCAR and its management/drivers have not gone full George Orwell on us yet. 1676. Captain51 posted: 01.21.2016 - 8:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I keep seeing a reference to the pit road rules in place in the truck series in '09. Could someone touch on what those were? I remember that the rules didn't make sense but I didn't know what they were 1677. Speed_Demon posted: 01.21.2016 - 8:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only thing I heard is all pitting will be done under yellow, no more green flag pitstops. Hopefully they don't stick to that. 1678. numbah10hatah posted: 01.21.2016 - 1:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Alex Bowman tweeted a couple of minutes ago that he and Tommy Baldwin will not be together in 2016. Possible replacement: Michael Annett. Also, RCR has formed a technical alliance with Circle Sport and Leavine Family Racing, who will switch to Chevy in 2016, and there's an image out of the #95 with Cheerios sponsorship. 1679. numbah10hatah posted: 01.21.2016 - 2:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, Leavine Family Racing will run all 36 races this year, with Ty Dillon running 5 and Michael McDowell running the rest. 1680. Evan posted: 01.21.2016 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I am going to reserve judgment on the caution clock rule for the time being. But in the past NASCAR has made some odd rules, the 1991 pit rules with odd numbered cars pitting together and even numbered ones pitting together until from that dumpster fire, they instituted pit road speeds which we all could agree helped. They need to try it for a couple of races and see how it will work, at least it's being tried out in the Trucks instead of in the Cup Series. But in truth, skilled race drivers and fast race cars make good racing, not rules changes and stoppages. 1681. murb posted: 01.21.2016 - 3:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On the plus side for Bowman, at least he's still getting ten NXS races in the JRM #88. 1682. The Long Shot posted: 01.21.2016 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Apparently Alex Bowman tweeted a couple of minutes ago that he and Tommy Baldwin will not be together in 2016. Possible replacement: Michael Annett." Read on Twitter that it's Regan Smith. 1683. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.21.2016 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was before it was announced. 1684. Six posted: 01.21.2016 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Frankly, I feel quite embarrassed to showmy face around here, but after Seven successfully hurt some of my real life confidence in myself, I'm going to try to bounce back. To pass some time, I want to ask people who they think will be a possible surprise contender for the championship. I also apologize for acting like a jerk on the Dale Jr page. 1685. Opie posted: 01.21.2016 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That's a little melodramatic don't you think? Confidence isn't bragging about how much smarter you are than everybody else, that's called being a douchebag. ...and i think Kyle Larson will have a breakout year and be a championship contender. 1686. Six posted: 01.21.2016 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And I'm admitting I was being a douchebag and apologizing. The reason why this is such a touchy subject for me is because I have been through tough times in my life where researching sports stats was the only reason why I even wanted to stay alive. I thought of the concept of a Big 9 Race teams in NASCAR when I was a 12 year old kid who got picked on for liking NASCAR. And I don't have much confidence to begin with tbh. As for my question, I personally think Chase Elluott will shock the world and be more then a fitting heir to the 24. 1687. Opie posted: 01.21.2016 - 10:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry for your pain, I also know how it feels to be bullied. And I know it's hard, but I found that the best thing to do is just keep telling yourself they're picking on you because they're jealous of you. I don't think any of your statistics are that off point, its just you need to be more impartial so your not accused of being bias. 1688. MAR posted: 01.21.2016 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) After looking at the projected silly season team chart I've noticed basically every team in the garage now has a technical alliance with a bigger team with the exception of Go Fas Racing #32 and the two BK racing cars. But there's a rumor that they could join the JGR alliance. 1689. 88&4Fan posted: 01.21.2016 - 11:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^And TBR. 1690. 88&4Fan posted: 01.21.2016 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) No need to be so down on yourself Six. We've all been there, when I was in middle school I was one of the only people in the entire school of 2000 kids who liked NASCAR and that combined with me being one of the smallest kids at school caused me to be tormented constantly every day. Granted, it wasn't as bad as what you were describing, but I know where you're coming from. Honestly I didn't think your post was that douchey, by the way you mentioned earlier that you really liked one of my blog posts, which one may I ask? 1691. Six posted: 01.21.2016 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I liked the car number post you made last month I found that to be a great idea. I think you should do a Top 25 race teams of all time post 1692. David posted: 01.21.2016 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, the more I've thought about it I really don't have much of a problem with NXS and Trucks getting the Chase, since from what I've read it really seems like this is gonna start to be the end of Cup driver domination in those series (with Cup drivers being banned at Homestead and whatnot - and I seriously get the feeling that by 2017 we'll see Cup drivers completely banned from the lower series, since that was the rumor when all of this stuff came out a few weeks ago, and I'm guessing the only reason that they didn't do a full ban on Cup guys for this year was because all the teams had their sponsorship packages and stuff wrapped up already). I DO think that the actual Chase format (and just the way points are scored in general) still needs a pretty sizable overhaul, but overall I really don't have too much of an issue with them adding it to NXS and Trucks. It would be cool if we could have at least ONE series use a year-long points system, but oh well." Yep. "So I think if there IS enough blowback, they'll eventually get rid of it. It is yet another heinously stupid rule, but there have been plenty of other heinously stupid rules that have been overturned in the past as well (the aforementioned 2009 Truck pit rules, the dumbass 2015 Daytona 500 qualifying format, etc), so it wouldn't nearly be the first time." Yep. 1991 Winston Cup pit rules, anyone? The 1973 Formula Two points system (a non-NASCAR example, but it happens in other racing organizations, too)? Basically any of the points systems NASCAR has ever used?? The point is, let's not lose our heads over this. 1693. 88&4Fan posted: 01.22.2016 - 12:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't really have very much knowledge when it comes to the dominant race teams throughout NASCAR's entire history but I guess Petty Enterprises or Hendrick would be #1. Not going to make a top 25 ranked in order but here are some teams I'd definitely put in it in no real particular order: - Petty Enterprises - Hendrick - Roush - JGR - Junior Johnson - DiGard - RCR - Penske - Robert Yates - SHR - Bud Moore - Wood Brothers 1694. 88&4Fan posted: 01.22.2016 - 12:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And inb4 "god list i have one ass well" response to my best teams list: BK Racing Premium Team Xxxtreme Kirk Shelmerdine Racing Faith Racing (Morgan Shepherd's team) Norm Benning Racing Carter 2 Motorsports Wayne Peterson Darek Jetar Racing I think that should cover it 1695. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.22.2016 - 1:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) #1694 I get the feeling the more we complain about "god list i have one/some candidates ass well" posts, the more we'll see them show up on this site. The more we acknowledge how annoying it is, the more it encourages trolls to keep posting it... By the way, that's a pretty "god" list, 88&4Fan, except you left out arguably the "best" team to ever compete in a major NASCAR series: Angela's Motorsports. If you don't know the story behind THAT...give it a look up. Was nothing more than a big sham by con artists... 1696. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.22.2016 - 1:09 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) While I'm glad Regan Smith has a ride for next year, it's a shame Bowman got canned from his ride so late in "Silly Season". Looked pretty much a lock to come back for the #7 next year, never heard any previous indications that they were looking for another driver...and then, bam, he's released. Hope the guy can make something out of his starts with JRM in Xfinity this year, because I do think he has potential and it would be a shame to see him possibly get bounced right out of the sport at such a young age... Nonetheless, here's hoping Smith can make the most out of his opportunity in the #7. He significantly helped Furniture Row out in their evolution into becoming a solidly competitive team, perhaps this will mean better things for TBR down the road... 1697. 88&4Fan posted: 01.22.2016 - 1:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well I guess you do learn something new every day. I had never heard about that team before although it kind of reminds me of that Nationwide team a few years ago that ran the #24 car with the exact same font as Jeff Gordon's #24, and they put a driver called Gordon in it. Forgot what the team was called but they lasted about two years and went through 38957 drivers before they were revealed to be complete scam artists. Oh and then there was the #26 car that was in the cup series in 2010(?) that had a different driver every week. 1698. Opie posted: 01.22.2016 - 8:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here is my top 25 NASCAR teams (like 88&4, in no particular order) Bill Baumgardner Bud Moore Carl Kiekhaefer Dale Earnhardt Inc. DiGard Harry Melling Hendrick Motorsports Herb Thomas Holman-Moody Howard Thomas Joe Gibbs Racing JR Motorsports Junior Johnson LG Dewitt Mario Rossi Nord Krauskopf Penske Racing Petty Enterprises Raymond Beetle Richard Childress Racing Robert Yates Racing Roush Fenway Racing Stewart-Hass Racing Thorsport Wood Brothers 1699. Speed_Demon posted: 01.22.2016 - 6:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Article by Road & Track up on Yahoo, they are even trashing this rediculous caution clock 1700. Nathan8848 posted: 01.22.2016 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did North Carolina really get that hard by snow, or are they just over-reacting. Maybe it's because I'm from Michigan and some snow doesn't mean anything. 1701. 88&4Fan posted: 01.22.2016 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It really is that much Nathan. Here in Northern VA we've got 3 inches so far and its not going to stop until tomorrow afternoon. Supposed to get at least 2 feet. 1702. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.22.2016 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And the Wizards game got postponed. Normally 2 feet of snow would be a huge pain, but to me that would be fun because living in Texas, it's usually so hot that I love colder weather. The coldest it's ever been in DFW in the last 15 years is 8° with only four inches. Having 2 feet to me would be great. 1703. 88&4Fan posted: 01.22.2016 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So was the Caps game. Hey, I don't mind it, I've already missed two days of school and probably getting a few more off next week. 1704. Sector posted: 01.23.2016 - 5:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) So unless they pull the Cup guys out of the lower series, do we really need the Chase? Anyway, can anyone explain to me exactly, what is this caution clock again? And what are the words for this "charter" system? Anything new this year for the Cup level? 1705. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.23.2016 - 10:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's another question: What do you think is the best 5-year stretch in NASCAR? 1706. 88&4Fan posted: 01.23.2016 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What do you think is the best 5-year stretch in NASCAR?" Do you mean for a certain driver, or for the sport as a whole? Because if you mean for a driver, I'd probably go with any of the years that Richard Petty was most dominant (1967 would have to be included), Earnhardt in the mid-80s, Jeff Gordon's '95-'99 and Jimmie's '06-'10 (even though really his most dominant years were '04-'09) would be up there too. As for the sport as a whole, maybe some time in the early 2000s because that was probably when the field was the most wide open and on any given weekend a midpack team like MB2 or Bill Davis could run up front. 1707. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.23.2016 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sport as a whole. 1708. Sean posted: 01.24.2016 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Single-driver domination: Richard Petty 1971-75 (he had a bit more race-to-race competition than he did in '67) Quality of the racing: 1991-95 Competitive depth of the field: 2000-04 1709. 88&4Fan posted: 01.24.2016 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Who wins the championship games today do you think? I'm thinking Patriots and Panthers for a Superbowl XXXVIII rematch. 1710. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.24.2016 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Nope. Denver wins. 1711. 88&4Fan posted: 01.24.2016 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well this game quickly turned into a blowout. 1712. Driver X posted: 01.24.2016 - 8:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) Did anyone see that horrendous Daytona Day commercial?? No highlights of past races, no dramatic moments, no REAL fans cheering, just a bunch of hipsters toting fake mustaches and jumping around in a pool. NASCAR has pretty much jumped the shark. 1713. RaceFanX posted: 01.24.2016 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "NASCAR has pretty much jumped the shark." So then the question becomes "how do we fix it?" 1714. Chives5150 posted: 01.24.2016 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well I guess you do learn something new every day. I had never heard about that team before although it kind of reminds me of that Nationwide team a few years ago that ran the #24 car with the exact same font as Jeff Gordon's #24, and they put a driver called Gordon in it. Forgot what the team was called but they lasted about two years and went through 38957 drivers before they were revealed to be complete scam artists. Oh and then there was the #26 car that was in the cup series in 2010(?) that had a different driver every week." That would be SR² Motorsports, which was owned by Jason Sciavicco. They're the team responsible for the likes of Amber and Angela Cope. 1715. 88&4Fan posted: 01.24.2016 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Glad that game is over. 1716. joey2448 posted: 01.25.2016 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Where's Jason Gilstrap (aka DaleSrFanForever) congratulating the mighty Carolina Panthers? I thought for sure he'd be pumped as anybody to see them going to the Super Bowl for only the second time in franchise history. As far as the big game, I would like to see Peyton Manning go out a champion and get that second ring in his career, but Carolina is looking ridiculously good right now. They just look like a more complete team, and it's gonna be tough for the Broncos to keep up. 1717. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) This is the first time since I started really getting into football that there isn't one team in the Super Bowl that I either really want to win or really don't want to win. The last two years the Seahawks were in it, and I hate them so I cheered against them obviously. The year before that I cheered against the Ravens because I was sick of the Ray Lewis hype (plus he and Terrell Suggs used Deer Antler Spray to heal quicker that year) and also I wanted Randy Moss to go out on top. The year before that was the first year I really was into football and believe it or not I cheered for the division rivals Giants against the Patriots because that was back when I hated the Patriots for the same reasons I used to hate Jimmie Johnson. I eventually matured out of that stage though. This year though, I don't know who to cheer for, I'm kind of indifferent to both teams. 1718. Jason Gilstrap posted: 01.25.2016 - 8:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm here and I am pumped out of sight. We finally finished a game we dominated early. Feels good to be back in the Super Bowl after 12 long years. But this time, we aren't satisfied just being there. February 7, 2016: Omaha will burn to the ground. 1719. BluesTravelerFan posted: 01.25.2016 - 10:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I want to see Carolina win as well, but regardless of the result nothing to me will ever be as good as the 2003 team. That whole season was almost literally like a fairy tale from start to finish. That was the most fun I ever had watching football. I hope the Panthers can do it this year, but nothing will ever be as magic as that season. 1720. Nathan8848 posted: 01.25.2016 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Total number of traditional commercials (not side-by-side) per network: Fox/FS1 (19 races): 2119 NBC/SN (20 races): 2418 Total for both networks: 4537 I knew NBC had more commercials but dang. 1721. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nothing But Commercials ...with occasional NASCAR breaks 1722. Spen posted: 01.25.2016 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm surprised at some of the answers the people here came up with for "most teams driven for in a career". The best answer anyone here came up with was Bobby Allison, who does indeed hold the record for most teams won with, but has "only" driven for 24 teams. The record for most teams driven for goes to Tiny Lund, who ran for a ridiculous total of 49 teams in 303 races. 1723. MAR posted: 01.25.2016 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) By my calculations there's about 35-38 cup teams that have everything in place for Daytona that's about 5 spots short of a full field of 43 and 2 short of the charter field of 40. This is disturbingly bad for the cup series imo. 1724. Scott B posted: 01.25.2016 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I checked up on Derrike Cope when the "most teams driven for" question came up, his total was 20. Pretty high for the modern era, but it figures someone from the early days would have racked up more. 1725. Stewart14rocks posted: 01.25.2016 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "By my calculations there's about 35-38 cup teams that have everything in place for Daytona that's about 5 spots short of a full field of 43 and 2 short of the charter field of 40. This is disturbingly bad for the cup series imo." Part of this is the economy which has conitinued to raise for awhil enow. Fields are just going to get shorter now over the next few years until the economy goes down. 1726. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many have Nemechek or Elliott Sadler driven for? Off the top of my head I can think of: Nemechek: NEMCO Motorsports Felix Sabates Andy Petree Racing Travis Carter Hendrick Motorsports MB2 Racing Ginn Racing (not sure if that counts as the same team as MB2 or not) Furniture Row Racing Carter/ Simo Racing (one race in 2007) Front Row Motorsports Sadler: The Wood Brothers Robert Yates Racing Gilett Evernham Racing Richard Petty Motorsports (same team?) Kevin Harvick Inc. Richard Childress Racing Joe Gibbs Racing Roush Racing JR Motorsports Probably a few more I'm missing for both drivers 1727. Opie posted: 01.25.2016 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If he really cares about his grandfather or father's legacy then it's time for Brian France to step down. 1728. MAR posted: 01.25.2016 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @1725 I read the economy is actually the best it's been since 2000 I think the lack of team interest is because the sports popularity is going down while the cost of operating a cup team is going up yearly. Not to mention the ridiculous charter idea coming in 1729. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) Since this subject came up and I don't want to clog the comments on some race that happened 30 years ago, this is what my dream NASCAR video game would look like. (It takes a lot of ideas from the EA Sports NASCAR games, Dirt to Daytona, and surprisingly, Madden football, you'll see why.) Race Modes: - Quick Race (Single race, can be single player or split screen) - Race Online (Up to 20 drivers in a race) - Season Mode (Single season with the 2016 beginning of season driver roster, race as yourself or a real NASCAR driver) - Career Mode (Begin your career as a NASCAR driver by working your way up through the ranks and eventually making it to the cup series) - Highlight Mode (Rewrite or recreate highlights from the past few NASCAR seasons) Career Mode: - At the main menu for career mode (here's the Madden influence), there is a news scroll where you can see everything that has happened lately of any importance - Depending on how many drivers are entered for a race, drivers CAN DNQ for races - Part time teams will actually run part time - Drivers may be fired in the middle of the season due to poor performance - It is possible to become an owner-driver, in which case there is a place you can go to see all the "free agent" drivers that are available to hire for your team - If you are an owner-driver, you are also responsible for managing the pit crew, damage repairs, and sponsors for your team - Drivers may switch teams in the offseason if their contract is up - Drivers sign contracts and contract extensions with teams (another Madden influence) and if you are an owner-driver, you are in charge of signing drivers to contracts - Drivers may retire - Crew chiefs and sponsors may also switch teams and retire (or in the sponsors case, leave the sport) - Every year, five drivers, crew chiefs, engineers, mechanics, broadcasters, or other NASCAR related people will be inducted into the Hall of Fame - It is possible to view a drivers career statistics Gameplay: - Realistic racing, meaning Jimmie Johnson for instance has a better chance to win than Timmy Hill (unlike NTG2011 where Kevin Conway could win on any given track) - Pack racing at Daytona and Talladega - Realistic crash physics, meaning if a car gets hit at 200 mph, it WILL crash (unlike NASCAR '15) also no NR2003 blowovers - Realistic looking crash damage - You can go off course at the road courses (a la Dirt to Daytona) - ALL NASCAR TRACKS are included in the game, even the ones that aren't in cup - AI drivers can get black flagged for speeding on pit road, passing below the yellow line on plate tracks, jumping the restart, etc. The game I just described would be about 1000000 times better than anything Eutechnyx has come out with. 1730. Spen posted: 01.25.2016 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) For the modern era, Morgan Shepherd has raced for far and away more teams than anyone else. He's made starts for 43 different owners (counting RahMoc and Butch Mock's solo team separately), and has DNQ'd for an additional 5. Nemechek's raced for 16 teams in Cup. Sadler's had 9, and that's only by counting the 19 three times. 1731. NASCARLover22 posted: 01.25.2016 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Great list 88&4Fan. At least a new video game developer will be making new NASCAR games from now on, so we'll have some hope for a rekindle of the older EA series. Some other things that should be in the game (just for replayability): -Create a Track -The custom paint booth that was in NASCAR 09 or NR2003 -Custom soundtrack -Unlockable legends and paint schemes (no DLC) -Fantasy tracks (like Dodge Raceway Stadium) 1732. MAR posted: 01.25.2016 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sounds great 88&4fan how many series would you have besides Cup, Xfinity, and Trucks? Maybe the east and west series or late models. 1733. murb posted: 01.25.2016 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "- Career Mode (Begin your career as a NASCAR driver by working your way up through the ranks and eventually making it to the cup series)" I would also add in being able to choose real drivers for Career Mode (either that, or I guess just make Season Mode pretty much unlimited, which is how it is in Thunder 2004 for example). Like, how cool would it be to take a low level guy like Landon Cassill or Matt DiBenedetto and then work your way up into top equipment and eventually championship contention with them? Or you can take an existing top guy like Kyle Busch or Logano and try to start a dynasty with them. One more thing I would also add would be the rivals thing from Thunder 2004 for the Career and Season modes. I would definitely tweak it and make it less sensitive than the Thunder version (like, in Thunder if you get in the big one at Talladega you'll just automatically become rivals with whoever your car crashes into - that's stupid), but I always thought that was a fun aspect of that game, especially when you're racing against guys for championships in those modes. "- Realistic racing, meaning Jimmie Johnson for instance has a better chance to win than Timmy Hill (unlike NTG2011 where Kevin Conway could win on any given track)" Also, make it possible for CPUs to make mistakes and have mechanical problems. That was another thing that made the Thunder games so much fun and quite unpredictable (or at least Thunder 2004, which is BY FAR my favorite and the one I've spent the most time with). 1734. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A few other things: - Damage does affect the AI cars and they can retire from the race depending on how bad it is - Cars can have engine or mechanical failures - Cars can come in and out of the garage - The caution can come out for debris that falls off of a damaged car 1735. murb posted: 01.25.2016 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Oh yeah, and no triple digit numbers either. That was always annoying when you would start your own team and only have the choice between like two or three numbers in the 60s-90s and then the rest are just #115 and stuff like that. Just have all of the unused 1-99 numbers available. 1736. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) murb- I've always wanted to have NT2004 but they don't sell it at any stores around me anymore. I've heard nothing but good things about it though, that it is as good if not better than '03. Thats the one I have for the Gamecube, still play it to this day. The Rival/Ally feature is also included on Total Team Control which is also pretty good (Speedway Boulevard has to be the best track on any NASCAR game ever). MAR- I don't know about the East & West series, that might be a bit much, maybe the Modifieds though, some of the EA Sports games (I know TTC and NASCAR '08 and '09 did) included them but it was nothing but fantasy drivers. 1737. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah and unlockables would be paint schemes for different drivers, legends, fantasy tracks (Tiburon Speedway, Dodge Raceway, Speedway Boulevard, Daytona Infield, etc.) You unlock them by winning highlight challenges, quick races, and certain achievements in season and career mode. 1738. murb posted: 01.25.2016 - 11:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I've always wanted to have NT2004 but they don't sell it at any stores around me anymore. I've heard nothing but good things about it though, that it is as good if not better than '03." I highly recommend it if you can somehow get your hands on it. It's hands down my favorite Nascar game ever. It's basically just everything great about Thunder 2003 except bigger and better. The career mode is better, the unlimited season mode is fantastic (though I'm fairly sure they still had it that way in 2003 - but still, it's great in a season-to-season aspect and I think it's even a lot better than the 2003 version), and the AI is WAY more realistic and the cars drive way more realistically. It's just the best. I'll still break it out every now and then and run through some season modes. "The Rival/Ally feature is also included on Total Team Control which is also pretty good (Speedway Boulevard has to be the best track on any NASCAR game ever)." Yeah, I have Total Team Control as well, though I'm not as much of a fan of it as I am the Thunder games (specifically 2004 and 2003 - and 2005 Chase For The Cup was excellent too - those are probably my three favorites out of the 2000s EA games). I feel like Total Team Control is just where the overall gameplay started to go downhill for EA. The whole car switching/team controlling thing was cool for a little while, but to me it seemed like they sacrificed everything else (Career/Season modes, the actual on track racing, etc) in favor of it. You're right though, those later EA games did have some great fantasy tracks. Speedway Boulevard was sweet. I also always loved the Old Spice track and that one in Hawaii that was basically just a Rockingham ripoff (I think it was called Mr. Clean Speedway or something?). 1739. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 11:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The game I just described would be about 1000000 times better than anything Eutechnyx has come out with." Truer words have never been spoken. I have NASCAR '14 and NASCAR 2011: The Game and needless to say they don't resemble NASCAR at all. The only thing I've ever done with them is drive the wrong way. A few more suggestions: Have a car and track maker. In NR2003, there have been some pretty awesome stages created. And then for the car maker you can pick and choose your colors and sponsors to create a car to your liking. Oh, and on NASCAR Thunder 2004, what consoles do they have it on? How do I get it? Is it easy to play? Does it have good physics? I've been dying for any NASCAR game that is realistic as possible. 1740. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like TTC a lot, not as much as Thunder 03 but thats probably because the 2005 driver roster is one of my favorites ever (some awesome paint schemes too). Another great fantasy track was Dodge Raceway (the really tiny track with pit road underneath the grandstands). And then of course the real tracks that were listed as fantasy like Daytona Infield and Nazareth. 1741. Nathan8848 posted: 01.25.2016 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) NASCAR 04 was never made for the GameCube (the system I have). They did 03 and 05, not sure why they didn't want 04 for the GC. 1742. 88&4Fan posted: 01.25.2016 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the best game that Eutechnyx made is Inside Line. Not that that means its good. I'd take a bad EA Sports game like NASCAR '09 over Inside Line any day. 1743. murb posted: 01.26.2016 - 12:53 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Oh, and on NASCAR Thunder 2004, what consoles do they have it on? How do I get it? Is it easy to play? Does it have good physics?" I have the PS2 version, and I believe they also made it on Xbox and PC. I would look either on E-Bay or in the used section of GameStop or whichever game store (if you have one near you or whatever). The PS2 version is extremely easy to play (it's exactly like every other EA Nascar console game essentially, if you've played any of them), and yes, for a game that's almost 13 years old now the physics are outstanding. It is hard to find since it's an old game, but if you CAN get it, get it. "I think the best game that Eutechnyx made is Inside Line. Not that that means its good." I've never played any of the Eutechnyx ones. I almost bought one of them a couple years ago but decided against it after watching some gameplay videos. It just looked totally abysmal and completely turned me off (an example being, as you mentioned earlier, the way just any driver can run up front and win races - every video I watched had guys like Travis Pastrana in the Roush #6 and Casey Mears battling for the win every time - it just looks like they put all their time and resources into having killer graphics instead of making the actual game legitimate). 1744. 88&4Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 1:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) In other news, Jordan Reed and Kirk Cousins are not in the Pro Bowl despite numerous players dropping out due to either injuries or playing in the Super Bowl. I'm not usually one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this is really ridiculous. Considering how much the media hates the Redskins already because of the name, I wouldn't doubt it for one minute if there was some kind of conspiracy to keep them out. There was no excuse for Jordan Reed not being selected to begin with, and the fact that not one, but TWO people were picked as alternates ahead of him is beyond ridiculous. And as for Kirk, I didn't expect him to get in seeing as if he can't even get the respect he deserves from most of his own teams fanbase, let alone football fans in general, but when you look at the fact that FIVE quarterbacks have dropped out, why is he not in? And some of the replacement selections that he got snubbed for are just idiotic. Teddy Bridgewater??? He REGRESSED this year after a good rookie season. /rant 1745. AveryNH posted: 01.26.2016 - 3:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just checking in here for the first time in a while and saw the video game discussion. So I just had to chime in. I haven't played a nascar console game since nascar 09, which was an absolute disappointment to say the least. And as for the newer non EA games, I flat out refuse to play them. Last summer I couldn't resist the nostalgia urge so I bought a ps2, Chase for the Cup 2005 and Thunder 04 off amazon all for under 100 bucks. Amazon is a god sent, seriously check it out if any of you are looking for old games new or used. I'm finishing my rookie year on NT04 after obliterating CFTC05. Both games have their pros and cons as murb touched on. Here's my breakdown: CFTC05 has the ladder system which is the draw clearly. The Mods friggin rock as do the trucks, and your rivalries carry over from series to series which is neat. The fantasy tracks kick ass too. Nazareth (which is real, I know, but is sadly now abandoned) and Red Ball (which is essentially the ol Nashville bullring but recreated) are my favs. Old Spice is fun but I just murder my tires there every damn time. And Dodge Stadium always traps me on pit road when a caution comes out without fail. The cons for me are rather minor. The same 3 drivers retire every year, the 0, 22, and 45 and unlike in TTC06 once you buy a team you can't sell it. Also I've found in CFTC05 if you try and do some Kyle Busch stuff where you run a handful of truck races or whatever and you hire another driver to run the conflicting races the sponsor will only recognize your handful of races and may drop their sponsorship of your team as I found out in my 4th year. So pick and choose the races you participate in very carefully. Now in NT04 you can only run cup and for the first few races you, the back markers and a handful of Busch series drivers used to fill the field are just painfully slow. I got around that with the discovery of some setup databases. In my previous experience with the game when i was younger I ran well enough to get a sponsorship offer from Aaron's to drive Mikey's 99 dream machine. Only problem is that parks the existing 99, Jeff Burton. Unfortunately I didn't run competitive enough for Aaron's liking so they dropped me afyer 7 or so races. I then got an offer to drive Bill Elliot's #9 Dodge. This time around though I've fared much better. By Talladega you can be competitve enough to maybe sneak out a fuel millage win. Wasn't so lucky this year. I did however win at Richmond though, which qualified me for the Winston and I won that! Now my team is rolling with the equipment developments. I won at Dover, Pocono, and of course Sonoma. I'm still sitting 4th in the standings some 280 points behind Tony Stewart and getting ready to do Chicagoland. So clearly the depth of the team building exceeds CFTC05 in every way and the randomness of the computer drivers and sponsors is ever-changing. My cons for NT04 are similar to Murb's as well. The rivalries feature is neat but can be ridiculous at times. Have any rival over 60 points and they'll try and wreck you every time you so much as get beside them. Good luck trying to make nice and become friends again. Just absolutely irritating sometimes. Short tracks especially, but that's racing I suppose, right? Also there's glitches. For instance at all the short tracks (I think, maybe just Bristol though can't recall) the car in the first pit stall when pitting under green will cause a yellow when they leave the pits. You have to time your stop accordingly. I once had a Bristol night race where this predicament happened. I got screwed and Steve Park stole the win Christian Fittipaldi came in second and Kyle Petty finished 3rd. I managed an 8th place 2 laps down. So to sum this all up. If you want depth and realism, go with NT2004. If you like it fast, fun, and loose, go with CFTC05. In my opinion you can't lose either way. If I had to pick one... gimme Chase for the cup. I just love the trucks man. Especially at Daytona. So until the unlimited... enjoy the winter y'all! Stay warm!! 1746. Tide1732 posted: 01.26.2016 - 3:53 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) For me, NASCAR Thunder 2003 is a my best NASCAR game. I Very Like NASCAR 06 Total Team Control. 1747. The Long Shot posted: 01.26.2016 - 9:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) "In other news, Jordan Reed and Kirk Cousins are not in the Pro Bowl despite numerous players dropping out due to either injuries or playing in the Super Bowl. I'm not usually one to buy into conspiracy theories, but this is really ridiculous. Considering how much the media hates the Redskins already because of the name, I wouldn't doubt it for one minute if there was some kind of conspiracy to keep them out. There was no excuse for Jordan Reed not being selected to begin with, and the fact that not one, but TWO people were picked as alternates ahead of him is beyond ridiculous. And as for Kirk, I didn't expect him to get in seeing as if he can't even get the respect he deserves from most of his own teams fanbase, let alone football fans in general, but when you look at the fact that FIVE quarterbacks have dropped out, why is he not in? And some of the replacement selections that he got snubbed for are just idiotic. Teddy Bridgewater??? He REGRESSED this year after a good rookie season." You are assuming that the average NFL fan is smart enough and watches enough football to acknowledge the accomplishments of Reed and Cousins, which likely isn't true. Also, Bridgewater did not "regress": he didn't take the step forward that a lot of people thought he would. Plus there were many factors on the team that were hindering his production. 1748. SK16 posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thunder'04 is still the best NASCAR game, although there's still room for improvement. I hate the triple digit car numbers. Also, why can't you race against the legends in season mode? I wanted to battle Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt for a championship. And why is Benny Parsons a backmarker? 1749. Nathan8848 posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "once you buy a team you can't sell it. Also I've found in CFTC05 if you try and do some Kyle Busch stuff where you run a handful of truck races or whatever and you hire another driver to run the conflicting races the sponsor will only recognize your handful of races and may drop their sponsorship of your team as I found out in my 4th year. So pick and choose the races you participate in very carefully." I hate these issues. Also on GCN the Chase is not included in Fight to the Top, which is odd. 1750. Nathan8848 posted: 01.26.2016 - 12:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In other news, due to the Summer Olympics, Watkins Glen will be on USA, while 2 Xfinity races will be on USA then other on CNBC. Fox should've just picked up those 4 races or something, 1751. RaceFanX posted: 01.26.2016 - 12:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think USA aired a few of the Gatorade 125s back in the early 1980s. Nice to see a new channel get a NASCAR points-paying coverage. 1752. numbah10hatah posted: 01.26.2016 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My turn to weigh in on the NASCAR video game debate. Personally, I think Chase For The Cup 2005 is the best. My favorite part is the fact that once you're up front, it doesn't allow you to get a huge lead, and the cars are very competitive (at least for me). I have it on the GameCube. I also have Thunder 2003 for the GameCube, but I rarely play it anymore ever since I got 2005. I'm with most of you on the Eutechnyx games. They just plain suck. I mean, sometimes they don't even have real cars. I mean, Paulie Harraka in the #12? Regan Smith's XFINITY car as a Cup car? You probably get what I mean. 1753. Driver X posted: 01.26.2016 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In my honest opinion, I think that Chase For The Cup 2005 was the best video game. I had it on the original XBOX. I also liked NASCAR Thunder 2004, but only for the soundtrack, plus I only ran the restrictor plate races. The worst game I ever got: NASCAR 08 for the PS3. I am seriously contemplating buying NASCAR Racing: 2003 Season. 1754. Jason Gilstrap posted: 01.26.2016 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) A few things on my mind about this upcoming Super Bowl. First of all this Panthers team is one of the historically greatest ever. We romanticize so many 15-1 teams. The '85 Bears obviously. The '84 Niners which were the greatest all around SF team ever (Montana and the offense rose from "legendary" to "super legendary" in '89-'90, but the defense wasn't as good). Even the infamous '98 Vikings that only didn't win the championship due to a missed FG (the truth is they were up 7, missed the FG to ice the game, gave up the tying TD, then the game winning FG in OT, which only would have given them the chance to face the defending champion Elway and the Broncos. While that game would have been way better than the Broncos/Falcons beatdown, the only Super Bowl which saw Denver on the good side of a beat down, more on that in a second, I can't see those Vikes beating those Broncos outside). But this Carolina team has redefined NFL football while having virtually no holes other than getting too complacent after building big leads. Cam has proven everyone, including myself, dead wrong about his style of play and his attitude translating to success, and they have a defense that would have been the best in any era. Also, Denver and Peyton Manning have a whole lot to prove. This is Denver'so 8th Super Bowl, tying the Steelers and Cowboys, but that is where the similarities end. They won in '97 and '98 giving John Elway the championships he had long since deserved. But other than that........ugh. They lost Super Bowl 12, better known as the Blunder Bowl. When you are on the losing end of the Blunder Bowl, that is pretty sad. They made it back in Super Bowl 21 under the arm and gutsy of Elway, and kept it closeems through halftime, then got pummeled by a far superior Giants team. Elway carried them back the next year, took a 10-0 1st quarter lead, then their D gave up THIRTY FIVE straight points in the 2nd quarter on only something like 13 total plays by the Redskins. They should have been renamed the Enver Broncos that day. Then two years later they made it back to face Montana and the juggernaut 49ers. San Fran was clearly superior, but Denver still set the record for most points allowed and worst Super Bowl loss, each still stands 25 years later. And who can forget the most recent Super Bowl 48 embarrassment. Quickest points ever given up to start a Super Bowl and it only got worse from there. As for Peyton himself, he needs this win. If he ever wants that horrendous playoff cloud to not hang over his otherwise sparkling career, only a second Super Bowl win will do it. This is his 15th playoff appearance. 9 of those playoffs ended with a first game loss. 6 of those losses were at home, 5 of those home games were after a 1st round bye. Twice he advanced only to be bounced in Foxboro rather easily, and he already has 2 Super Bowl losses. One against the heavy underdog Saints where he sealed his fate with a Favre-esque late game pick six, and the other was the aforementioned Super Bowl 48 thrashing where his fate was sealed 12 seconds in. He will go down as a legend, but if he loses this one, he will go down like Marino, Favre, and Tarkenton instead of Montana, Elway, and Starr. Big numbers, rarely when they truly count. 1755. 88&4Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Been thinking lately that I might change my name on here, 88&4Fan just seems too generic. I'll probably have something by the time the season starts. 1756. Eric posted: 01.26.2016 - 7:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I'm going to honest about the Denver Broncos. I don't like them against the Panthers. I like the Broncos Defense, but I don't like their offense at all. Peyton Manning is way past his prime and I hope he retires after the Super Bowl. His arm is gone. The Panthers have a great defense, but I have to give a lot of credit to Cam Newton. Cam Newton to me, has done wonders with the Wide Receiver Core he has because I don't highly of them outside of their Tight End Greg Olsen. I thought Greg was a very underrated tight end for years that the Bears didn't use properly. 1757. 88&4Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I think the Super Bowl will mirror what happened two years ago. The Broncos are playing against a team with a young QB who likes to run a lot, a great defense (only this time the Broncos defense is better) and not many offensive weapons. My prediction is the Panthers win 34-17, but that might be generous... to the Broncos. 1758. 88&4Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) All right, whose the troll thumbing down every single football related comment on here? This is getting really obnoxious. 1759. joey2448 posted: 01.26.2016 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm with Eric. A lot of the talk surrounds Denver's defense, which is well-deserved, as it IS the top scoring defense in the league this year, and has several big playmakers that absolutely abused Tom Brady in last week's AFC title game. But, I think Carolina's defense is playing even better right now. That D is the real deal, and it starts with guys like Luke Kuechly, Kurt Coleman and Josh Norman. All three are dynamic forces, and Peyton Manning and his receivers will need to be playing at 100 percent perfect and precise to outgun them. And the Broncos offensive line will have their hands full big time with the Panthers pass rush, led by lineman Kawann Short. I picked the Patriots in last week's AFC title game because I thought Brady and company were good enough to outplay and outsmart the tough Denver defense, but the Broncos proved me wrong big time. In the Super Bowl, however, I think Cam Newton possesses the tools and talent to avoid the problems that Brady and his O-line experienced. Either way, should be fun to watch. 1760. Six posted: 01.26.2016 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All this football talk is way over my head. I'm a soccer guy so wrong kind of football. I even like Euroleague basketball instead of the NBA. I'm a Euro guy except for auto racing ironically. Here is a great question: how do Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, and Jeff Burton rate on a historical scale? And how valid is my theory of a Big 6 of NASCAR teams in the late 90's consisting of Hendrick, Roush, Yates, Childress, Gibbs, and Penske. Eric and Sean in particular need to weigh in on this. 1761. murb posted: 01.26.2016 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've been a casual Broncos fan for most of my life (living in the Mountain West for over half my life now), so I'll be pulling for them in the Super Bowl. Newton and the Panthers look totally unstoppable though, so I doubt it'll even be a close game. Even if the Panthers do win though they're clearly deserving with the season they've had, so I have no problems. "how do Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, and Jeff Burton rate on a historical scale?" In relation to each other, Jarrett >>> Burton > Labonte. In the grand scheme of things, I'd say Jarrett is one of the more underrated drivers of the past 20 years while Burton and especially Labonte are probably towards the bottom of the rung when it comes to everybody with 20+ wins. 1762. Evan posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mine is Jarrett then Labonte, then Burton. Jarrett has the better resume with three Daytona 500s, a Coke 600 and a 1999 championship. Bobby Labonte while very conservative but a very steady driving style won a championship after Jarrett in 2000, had a very consistent record, even though Atlanta was his personal playground. Jeff Burton would be a close third, a very steady driver who had a very short but high arch and then dropped off after Busch, Kenseth and Biffle came on. 1763. Eric posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll be doing multiple posts. I think Dale Jarrett ages great on a historical scale if you from age 39 to age 45. He aged great as a driver, and you have to look at him similar to a Harry Gant. I think Historical Ranking going down to him only winning 4 times before the age of 39 although he caused part of Bobby Labonte's Success at JGR. Dale was JGR's original driver in 1992 and he was the foundation JGR was built upon. While a lot of his competition wasn't as their best, I think Dale Jarrett got a bad reputation due to Yates Horsepower. Darlington is a lot on the driver and having a cup driver win there 3 times the spring speaks something about Dale Jarrett as a driver. Dale was also was very good Rockingham driver from 1996 to 2000. At that time, Dale had 6 2nd place finishes. He had a combined 6 wins at 1 mile tracks including Rockingham. This is a driver that is more talented than Bobby Labonte. Dale Jarrett as a driver is a very good plate driver, can take advantage of equipment on intermediate tracks, decent short driver despite missing a North Wilkesboro Races, and not a good road racer. Dale Jarrett to me is a good solid driver, that is under the he's as good as his equipment. In terms of ranking Dale Jarrett from a historical standpoint, don't put him near Dale Sr. or Jeff Gordon. Dale Jarrett himself has said in the past that he isn't as talented as Dale Sr. and others that he grew up watching like Richard Petty. Dale is your 16 to top 30 cup driver of all time range. 1764. Tyson posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Both the NASCAR Hall of Fame and Alex Hayden are reporting that legendary announcer Barney Hall has died. RIP Barney. :( 1765. 88&4Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Oh no thats horrible news. I heard earlier today that he wasn't doing so well... didn't expect it to happen so soon though. RIP. 1766. murb posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Bummer. RIP Barney Hall. It's ironic that we were talking about Nascar Thunder 2004 last night, because Barney's pre-race analysis was always a fun and unique part of that game. 1767. Tyson posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did Barney do the '04 game too? I remember he and Joe Moore in '03 and they were so fun to listen to. I wore out two copies of that game on PS2, it was just that good a game. 1768. Six posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Barney did in fact do the 04 game. I always will remember 03 and 04 as great parts of my childhood. RIP Barney. Yet another legend dead in 2016. 1769. Eric posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My ranking is Jarrett first, Burton 2nd at Bobby Labonte 3rd. I rank Jeff Burton better than Bobby Labonte for two reasons. Jeff Burton has way more wins than Bobby Labonte does at tracks less than 1.5 miles. Jeff Burton actually was better than Bobby when Better talent came into the cup series although I question how much of that caused by JGR firing Fatback. The fact is Bobby had a good 2004 season when JGR fired Fatback, and Bobby never recovered from that. My problems with Jeff Burton is 3 things. While he is a combination of Mark Martin and Matt Kenseth, he is weak qualifier that prevented him from winning a cup championship. Jeff Burton's 2nd problem is he gave a way a lot of wins. He had the best car in 2006 Brickyard 400, but he faded. Jeff did that a lot in 2006. Jeff also gave away 3 or 4 Darlington wins in the late 90's and that did hurt his ranking to me because of how important Darlington is for a driver's abilities. I have Jeff Burton as one the worst drivers to get 20 cup wins ever in cup. 1770. 88&4Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And also he and Joe Moore at least in NT03 were fantasy drivers. Not sure about 04. 1771. Six posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I personally think Jarrett was the best driver not named Jeff Gordon from 96-01. No one can deny that Yates did have great cars, but I think Jarrett actually kept the team relevant. He was always showing flashes of brilliance way before 96. He won for the Wood Bros in 91 at a time in which winning in the 21 was a bit more difficult. He also finished in the Top 5 in points in 93 when he was in the 18, and Gibbs was just a second year team. That is mightily impressive. And he was so dominant at times when he was in his prime. He was a great and his performances in the 88 happened when the 88 was a startup entry. His success in the 88 really turned the tide in favor of the multicar teams. If not for Jarrett, Yates probably would have imploded 5 years sooner then they did. 1772. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think the thing against Jarrett was that while he had some success without him, he was never dominant without Todd Parrott. But I agree, he or Mark Martin was the best driver not named Gordon from that time period. Plus, I think some people forget how dominant his 1999 was. I mean, while he only had 4 wins, he had 24 top 5's and 29 Top 10's all in 34 races all with an average finish of 6.8. That's Gordon level domination right there. 1773. The Long Shot posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) RIP Barney Hall. Sucks, man. 1774. Eric posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Sorry to hear about Barney Hall's death. I couldn't remember a year that started with so many famous deaths starting a year. RIP to great announcer. 1775. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And RIP Barney Hall. All I can say is that we've lost a ton of people the last few months. 1776. Opie posted: 01.26.2016 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Six - I agree. If it wasn't for that Gordon guy DJ could have won 2+ championships easy. 1777. RACE34 posted: 01.27.2016 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) RIP Barney Hall!!! What a legend of our sport!!! 1778. Eric posted: 01.27.2016 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby Labonte is one of the worst cup drivers ever to become cup champion. I am under the impression that drivers could have done better in the 18 than Bobby did like Mark Martin and Sterling Marlin. I mentioned Sterling Marlin because he actually won at Darlington 2 times. When Sterling had the equipment he could win intermediate tracks also. Sterling as a driver was a great at plate tracks, can win at Darlington, and can win at intermediate tracks. Bobby had a great 2000 season like his 1999 season was. What make him rank so low to me is he only won 4 races that are less than 1.5 miles and isn't a great road course driver ever. The thing is Bobby Labonte became a better well rounded driver when JGR expanded to a 2 car team. I think being a single car team from 1995 to 1998 didn't help Bobby Labonte out, but that is no excuse not winning a track less than 1.5 miles before Tony was rookie. I am saying this because Bobby Hamilton Sr. was winning at tracks less than 1.5 miles in equipment worse than Bobby Labonte had at JGR. While Bobby could have won more races with Fatback if he wasn't let go during the 2004, he wasn't going win a lot more less than 1.5 mile track wins no matter the team due to how Bobby Labonte is as a driver. Bobby Labonte is top 50 driver in a historical ranking, but shouldn't be ranked higher than 30th. 1779. 88&4Fan posted: 01.27.2016 - 1:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) What a horrible month for deaths. David Bowie, Alan Rickman, Glenn Frey, and Barney Hall all in the same month. 1780. RACE34 posted: 01.27.2016 - 1:18 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Did anyone else read that JOKE of an article by Bill Nye about how NASCAR needs to switch to ELECTRIC cars because he believes they are too far behind in technology? Everyone should read it. I knew I never liked that guy or could never take him seriously!!! 1781. Six posted: 01.27.2016 - 11:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Eric, I have long maintained that Sterling Marlin would have won won titles (plural) in elite equipment. In his career he led most laps in a race 14 times while never driving elite cars. Labonte led the most laps just 8 times his whole career. I agree that if Marlin was in the 18 during the time span Labonte was, he almost certainly would have won more races and had a more dominating title to boot. Labonte was a good driver, but he heavily benefitted from great equipment. He never really wowed me when you look at his stats outside of 1999 and 2000. Of all the drivers that were winning a lot in that time span, he was the one who had the least talent. However, he was a very capable driver, and was very smooth and consistent in his prime. He also was a class act. So Labonte the person deserved the title even if Labonte the driver benefitted from weak competition and powerful equipment. In the late 90's, if Marlin, Elliott, and Rudd were in top rides, they would have all had a chance to be better then Labonte and Jeff Burton in my opinion. I think Jarrett fully deserved what he did because I think he was extremely talented as it is. 1782. Eric posted: 01.27.2016 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) While I teared down Bobby Labonte, I didn't say he was a hack. The fact is Bobby was a capable driver, but he wasn't as a versatile driver as I would like 1783. Six posted: 01.27.2016 - 1:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Labonte wasn't a hack of course. But could he hold a candle to Rudd, Elliott, or Marlin? No. Not in the least. Same goes for Burton. 1784. 88&4Fan posted: 01.27.2016 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ricky Rudd I think is one of the most underrated drivers of the modern era. What he was able to do at Richmond in 1984 and at Martinsville in 1998 (the first race ever run in my lifetime by the way) is beyond words. I think if I had been a NASCAR fan back in the 90s he probably would've been my favorite driver. 1785. David posted: 01.27.2016 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Barney Hall's death is a tremendous downer. Rest in peace, Barney. 1786. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.27.2016 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think I'm going to change my username too, mine feels too generic as well. At the moment I'm thinking Maverick11 (If you follow basketball you'll know why). 1787. 88&4Fan posted: 01.27.2016 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You're lucky. Being from the Washington area, I've never experienced what its like to have one of my teams win a championship. The Caps look great right now but knowing them, they'll probably just lose in the first round again. 1788. Sean posted: 01.27.2016 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Six, I used to be down on Dale Jarrett and Sterling Marlin due to my bias for road course racing and against restrictor plate racing, but I've definitely changed my mind. Jarrett was no great road racer, but he was great enough anywhere else (much like Kenseth). I used to not rate Marlin very highly because I thought he was too dependent on restrictor plate performances throughout his career, but I've definitely changed my mind. I recently invented a statistic called the terminal natural leader, which is the last driver to take the lead on track in the race (ignoring crashes, engine/mechanical failures, lead changes in the pits, penalties, or anything other than on-track green flag lead changes at full speed). Some drivers were very unlucky (Ernie Irvan gains 8 wins, from 15 to 23; Marlin gains 6 wins, from 10 to 16; Truex gains 5 wins from 3 to 8 (generally, his pit crew was doing the choking much more than he was)), while others were lucky (Bobby Labonte loses 7 wins, from 21 to 14; Kyle Busch loses 7 wins, from 34 to 27; Mark Martin loses 5 wins, from 39 to 34 (I only counted races from 1990-present so Martin's 1989 Rockingham win is not counted). Based just on that, I now agree that I've totally been selling Marlin short. Essentially, if you remove luck-based factors, even with Marlin's inferior equipment, he would have had more wins than Bobby Labonte. I invented another statistic called cumulative races led (the sum of percent led in all races, to equally reflect dominance in every race, even races with different lap totals) and Marlin was ahead there as well (16.00). Marlin just beats Davey Allison, who also rounded to 16.00, and also beats others like Dick Hutcherson, Ryan Newman, Kasey Kahne, Brad Keselowski (all of whom beat B. Labonte in cumulative races led as well). So yes, BL is highly overrated and Marlin is highly underrated and I was wrong to sell him short for his restrictor plate dominance in those unbeatale #4 cars... I mean Irvan came out as one of the most underrated as well (I gave Irvan credit for both of Spencer's cheated plate wins in 1994 because everyone acknowledges his cars were illegal, and Irvan was the last legal driver to take the lead on track both times) and yet Marlin managed to beat Irvan's best points finish for Morgan-McClure, and set the best points finish for Ganassi as well... I was unfair to him. Jarrett also looks good in any of my clutch-based factors (natural wins) although his cumulative races led total is a lot lower than his win total (but still that's good for him as it does mean he made the most of his opportunities to win for the most part). If you specifically choose '96-'01 (Jarrett's 6 year peak) he might be 2nd to Gordon, but you can pick and choose specific intervals for almost anyone. Even Bobby Labonte might make a top five for '95-'03 (or if you pick the years right, but in an interval that long, I don't think so.) I would say more like Jarrett was consistently about the 3rd best driver in Cup in that time period, with Gordon and Martin ahead from '96-'99 and Stewart ahead after that. Jarrett is very unlucky not to be a two-time champion, as he was penalized at Watkins Glen in 1997 for tire smoke which turned out to be nothing dropping him from a finish of what would have been 11th to 30th or something, way more than the 14 points he lost by. That's way more bogus than the more hyped 1990 Mark Martin penalty (where they were at least penalized for an infraction, even if the specific infraction may have been stupid). Also, Jarrett was much more dominant than Gordon in 1997. The 10-7 wins mask that, but Gordon was lucky to win 10 races and Jarrett was unlucky to only win 7. Jarrett was the most dominant in terms of laps led/average percent led and he also was the terminal natural leader 9 times to Gordon's 6. Gordon heavily relied on his pit crew to help him win that year. I think that was definitely Jarrett's best season, not '99 (since he finally broke through on the short tracks and came from a lap behind to win at Phoenix). However, a Gordon defender may argue that the Fords in general were definitely much faster than the Chevies in '97, so it may be a draw, but I'm starting to actually favor Jarrett there. I definitely did underrate Jarrett too much based on his lack of road course success, comparison to Ned, relative lack of IROC success, strength of the Yates equipment, and relative struggling in the Busch Series before he got to Cup, but I've definitely changed my tune since I have done deeper analysis. I'd put Jarrett on par with Irvan (and definitely superior to post-injury Irvan) and ahead of Rudd and Allison among the four major Yates drivers. Rudd had great longevity, success for many different teams and on all kinds of tracks, but he actually backed into a much greater percentage of his wins than Jarrett did and didn't hit anything resembling the same peak (and did worse than Jarrett while they were teammates), which has led me to actually take Jarrett, although there are still good arguments for Rudd. And Jarrett's first win at Michigan in 1991 where he passed Davey Allison, the driver with the fastest horsepower on worn tires on one of the biggest horsepower tracks, was kind of huge. Ditto his last-lap pass of the dominant Earnhardt in the 1993 Daytona 500... I hate what plate racing has become, but aside from Cope and Spencer, I guess it is rather hard to argue most of the drivers who actually won on them in the '90s... 1789. 88&4Fan posted: 01.28.2016 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'd like to take a quick moment to thank Jolly Mean Giant and Alex for the work that they've put in the past few days on a lot of the old races. Never hurts to see contributions like that made to this site. 1790. Canadianfan posted: 01.29.2016 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Today's 1 hour final practice for the Rolex 24 Hours at Daytona will be the most important. It will be the first dry practice since The Roar Before The 24 earlier this month all three practice sessions and qualifying were in damp to wet conditions which allowed the GTLM cars to be fastest and take the top 7 spots. However the race tomorrow and in to Sunday will be dry there is no more than a 3% chance of rain throughout the weekend. It is fair to say that yesterday was pretty much a waste of time for the teams considering the dry conditions for the race. 1791. SpeedWorld97 posted: 01.30.2016 - 10:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just thought I'd spread the word about fantasy predictions for today's Rolex 24 at Daytona on this site. R-R user Mile501 has worked hard to put together the fantasy league for this season, and I hope users on this site can participate for today's race. Predictions are due by the time the race starts (2:40 pm EST) and rules are on his blog posts. 1792. 88&4Fan posted: 01.30.2016 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Something I'm surprised no one has mentioned... two years ago, today: one of the worst days in NASCAR history. It was the day the New Chase was announced. 1793. Driver X posted: 01.30.2016 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Speaking of the New Chase: I took the liberty of calculating of how the points would have shaken out had the new Xfinity Chase been instituted: 2015 Final Four: Daniel Suarez, Regan Smith, Chase Elliott, Ty Dillon Daniel Suarez would have been the champion without winning a race. 2014 Final Four: Chase Elliott, Regan Smith, Elliott Sadler, Brian Scott Regan Smith would have won the championship. 2013 Final Four: Austin Dillon, Trevor Bayne, Sam Hornish Jr, Justin Allgaier Trevor Bayne would have been the 2013 champion. I have a feeling this Xfinity Chase is gonna mess a lot of things up... 1794. 88&4Fan posted: 01.30.2016 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Trevor Bayne would've been the 2013 champion and Regan Smith would've been the 2014 instead of Chase Elliott... okay. Did anyone else read that and immediately think "racefangurl?" 1795. murb posted: 01.30.2016 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have a feeling this Xfinity Chase is gonna mess a lot of things up..." You also have to take into consideration that Cup guys will be banned at Homestead. If you re-run those what-if races with no Cup guys, they all play out quite tremendously different. 1796. 88&4Fan posted: 01.30.2016 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Also read on Jayski that there is expected to be a "big announcement" sometime during speedweeks regarding the charters. Donny Lia puke bucket, please. 1797. 88&4Fan posted: 01.30.2016 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also how come there aren't live comments for the Rolex 24 like there are for NASCAR races? 1798. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.30.2016 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, Bass Pro Shops returns for Stewart, but they go from sponsoring him for 17 races to just 3. 1799. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchampion posted: 01.30.2016 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) 88&4fan "But nowadays drivers are such cowardly yes-men" Funny thing is that you are buying into the stupid playoff point system, just like a lot the other fans are. 1800. 88&4Fan posted: 01.30.2016 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Acknowledging a drivers championships is different than "buying into" a playoff system. I'll have you know that I despise the current chase format. I didn't mind the 2004-2013 one but the one right now is about as idiotic as saying Jeff Gordon has seven championships and Johnson only has three. 1801. Driver X posted: 01.30.2016 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I continued my points calculations, this time with the years of 2010-2012: 2010 Final 4: Trevor Bayne, Justin Allgaier, Mike Bliss, Reed Sorenson (Remember, Bliss and Sorenson moved rides quite a bit during the latter part of 2010. Trevor Bayne would have been champion with a 3rd place finish (took the chasers out). 2011 Final 4: Ricky Stenhouse Jr, Elliott Sadler, Justin Allgaier, Michael Annett Nothing really changes here. 2012: Prepare yourselves for a huge shock. The final four would have been (and I swear on the man upstairs that I am NOT racefangurl in disguise or a troll) Austin Dillon, Ricky Stenhouse Jr, Michael Annett and Danica Patrick (yes you read that correctly) The 2012 champ would have been Austin Dillon. I calculated the points by using the current system and putting each "Chase" driver at 3000, then after each round, resetting at 3500 for the final 8, then 4000 for the final four. 1802. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.30.2016 - 11:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not sure, but I think I just heard a fangirl squeal from racefangurl upon realizing that with this Chase system (assuming things played out exactly the same as they did in real life), her hero Trevor Bayne would be a two-time Xfinity Series champion... Got the feeling I'm not going to enjoy seeing the results for the other seasons. 1803. racefangurl posted: 01.31.2016 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) 1801, 88&4 hasn't been a poster here as long as some. Maybe that's why he looked at your alternate history Nationwide/Xfinity champs and, just because of the results of your Chase points calculations, thought you were me. There was a time I thought a rookie champ was just too good to be true, but I came around. 1804. 88&4Fan posted: 01.31.2016 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What no, I didn't think Driver X was you, I just said that you were the first thing I thought of when it said Trevor Bayne would be a champion and that Regan Smith would've been the 2014 champion instead of Chase Elliott. Hard not to with how often you talk about Bayne and the now infamous pie-in-the-sky episode. 1805. Big Mac Fan posted: 01.31.2016 - 12:56 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Funny thing is that you are buying into the stupid playoff point system, just like lot the other fans are." LOL. Did you actually read our posts? We hate the new points systems just as much. Since I'm assuming this is about Gordon again, if we did have the Latford points systems from 2004 to now, there is now way to physically prove that Gordon (except maybe 2007) would win each title. If Johnson doesn't blow 3 engines in a row (they said they were experimenting at the time), Johnson would be the 2004 "Winston" Cup champ, not Gordon. Anyways, we are not "buying" into this system. We all unanimously pan it. But saying Gordon would having a 100% chance to be the 2004, 2007, or 2014 Champion under a different format other than the one used (with different mindsets, experimenting, equipment, etc.) can't be physically proven. 1806. 88&4Fan posted: 01.31.2016 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Its not worth it Big Mac. Until we all refuse to acknowledge every single championship won under the "Welfare System," instead acknowledging the Winston Cup points era champion as that years champion, then we are all brainwashed sheep who look at BZF as our personal hero and savior. In all seriousness, there is only one champion in the history of NASCAR that I think doesn't deserve to be credited as the champion for that year and that is Buck Baker in 1956. If Ted Musgrave had won the 2003 truck series championship, he would likely be a second exception, but thankfully karma came back to bite him in that race. 1807. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.31.2016 - 1:18 am Rate this comment: (3) (1) I half expect Gordon7TimeChamp to make a post asking the webmaster to delete the Chase points everywhere on the site, keep the traditional series long points, and credit the points leader as the official champion, just so the site can "officially" say Jeff is a 7-time champion and protest against Brian France. I kid of course, but I don't think it would be a huge shock if he actually DID make a post along the lines of that. He just recently made a comment saying that he thought NASCAR WOULD invert a full field running order if Junior finished last to give him the win, so...There's no point in arguing with this guy, he's convinced that Gordon is a rightful seven-time champion and won't listen to any arguments that Gordon MIGHT not have won those extra titles in a Cup Series without the Chase, might as well not give him the time of day. More seriously, while I'm not a big of having the Chase in Xfinity and Trucks, if it ultimately leads to the end of days of Cup drivers coming in and mopping the floor against a field consisting of 80% low budget, I suppose I can live with it. If it helps to actually allow the lower series to have their own identities again without largely being "Cup-lite" (especially so with the Xfinity series), I guess it's an okay tradeoff. Sometimes, you gotta take the lesser of two evils... 1808. 88&4Fan posted: 01.31.2016 - 1:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't give him any ideas. 1809. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchamp posted: 01.31.2016 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (1) (8) I have a feeling I'm dealing with Brian France's people on this website, so here is what I want to say to you. Brian, I started watching NASCAR in the early '70s and have followed it religiously until the end of 2007. In that long period, it wasn't unusual for me to spend thousands of dollars on you and on your partners. That changed when you introduced your stupid gimmicks such as the chase play off, double file restarts, lucky dog rule, over time, box cars, fan vote, fake cautions, and now time out. A lot of people I know feel like NASCAR has been a "racing product" much in the way that the WWE is a "wrestling product". You have single handedly ruined what your father and grand father have created. Look at how things have went in the past several years, I wouldn't be surprised if one day the champion is decided by a coin flip. I refuse to watch another NA$CAR race for the rest of my life because the main member of my favorite team has retired. I'll still root for my second favorite drive Carl Edwards via cyber space buy I won't be fattening your pocket any further. Signed, racing purist. I'm out. 1810. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchamp posted: 01.31.2016 - 7:09 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) "If Johnson doesn't blow 3 engines in a row (they said they were experimenting at the time), Johnson would be the 2004 "Winston" Cup champ, not Gordon. " WRONG!!! Funny you didn't mention 2 of the 3 engine failures were driver inflicted. Jimmy spun himself backwards at the brickyard and it screwed up the engine. The other time he missed a shift at Watkins Glen, over-reving the engine. This leaves him with only one engine failure that wasnt driver inflicted. If you are gonna take tallies on the amount of engine failures before the chase started that werent driver inflicted, then Gordon had 2 compared to 1 for jimmy. Gordon's first engine failure happened at Michigan while he was leading, second one was at California when he was running in the top 5. Gordon said they too were experimenting since the first 26 races were pointless. Experimenting wasn't something that was exclusive to the 48 team but some here made it seemed like it. A direct quote from Gordon on his team experimenting: "We knew going in that it was a gamble and right now we can afford to do that. We wanted to win, but we thought that this transmission would give us a little more speed. It was good for most of the day but it didn't make it to the end. We were trying new things. Maybe we shouldn't of risked it that much. We felt like right now it's a road course. There isn't a road course in those last ten races. We're almost testing today for next year. It was a call we made as a team to try it. It didn't work out for me or Jimmie. That's disappointing, but other than that it was a good day." Jolly Mean Giant, under no circumstances would I ever ask the webmaster to remove the chase points on this website. Even if you ask him or her to remove the non-chase points section. THERE IS A REASON WHY THE WEBMASTER PUT THE NON-CHASE POINT STANDING NEXT TO THE GIMMICK CHASE POINT STANDING. 1811. Brian France posted: 01.31.2016 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) 1809 - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! 1812. 88&4Fan posted: 01.31.2016 - 12:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "I have a feeling I'm dealing with Brian France's people on this website." Oh okay Mr. Tinfoil Hat. 1813. Anonymous posted: 01.31.2016 - 2:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Bye Felicia 1814. SpeedWorld97 posted: 01.31.2016 - 3:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I spent the whole race commenting on the fantasy predictions page, but this year's Rolex 24 had to be one of the best races I have ever seen! Most races can't produce a good finish after a few hours of racing, but this race produced classic finishes after 24 hours of racing. It gives me high hopes that this years IMSA season will be its best since the merge three years ago, and I especially cannot wait for the 12 Hours of Sebring in March. You couldn't script a better ending than what we saw at the Rolex 24. 1815. Anonymous posted: 01.31.2016 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) 1809 Does it hurt to be that stupid? 1816. Ryan W posted: 01.31.2016 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "What do you think is the best 5-year stretch in NASCAR?" I'm going to say 1989-1993. Every year besides '91 (it was at times) was a close points championship battle (non-fabricated like the Chase) in which there was still a good number of car manufacturers and close competition with a lot of drivers winning races. 88&4fan- I love your idea for video game, especially the old races. I would love to re-live '76 and '79 Daytona 500, '92 Hooters 500, etc... picking different cars for each race. Last week's AFC Title game- Was a battle between the greatest QB ever to live against the top defense in the league. It was not Brady vs. Manning. Manning had his day and was a QB for the team that had the best defense. He didn't make any mistakes and did enough for his team to hold off the Patriots. We were cheated out of a great OT game because of a kicker that never misses an extra point. As Casey Stengel once said, "Games are lost more than they are won." I hate the caution clock. First, Nascar decided to fabricate the championship standings, and now they have decided to fabricate races. What a joke! Ridiculous! Whatever happened to the concept of R-A-C-I-N-G??? Did Vince McMahon come up with this idea? SMDH 1817. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 01.31.2016 - 4:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Well, Gordon7TimeChamp sure figured us out! It's obvious we're NASCAR employees kissing up to our boss, Brian France. I thought it was incredibly obvious from the numerous posts in which we all blatantly stated how much we LOVE every single change he's made to NASCAR, especially the elimination playoffs, the charters, and especially the caution clock... 1818. racefangurl posted: 01.31.2016 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 1804, it looked to me like Driver X thought you thought that, because post 1801 had this in it: "and I swear on the man upstairs that I am NOT racefangurl in disguise or a troll". 1819. Pie in the Sky posted: 01.31.2016 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yeah because if you knew ho to read which you dont, his comment specificly mention Trevor Bayne being a champion under the format. And everyone knows you love Trevor Bayne since you turn every single comment page into a Trevor Bayne excuse fest. It must be hard being that stupid. 1820. Eric posted: 01.31.2016 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon7timeWinstonCupchamp has to be someone's joke account or is the most biased race car driver ran on this site. Anyone who reads my stuff, knows I am not an employee of NASCAR and Hate the people who currently run NASCAR. The other things is I live in the Midwest and I am not a Stock holder of ISC or SMI. I follow more than NASCAR in terms of racing for years. My start of being a fan of Auto Racing was in CART back in the 1980's. I follow Indycar since its start I called Gordon7timeWinstonCupchamp the most biased fanboy of a race driver on this site because he actually does make stuff up for making his favorite Driver look so much better than any other driver. He made up the fact that Dale Earnhardt Sr. used more Povisionals than any cup driver ever because he couldn't Stand Dale Sr. having more Championships than his own driver. 1821. Eric posted: 01.31.2016 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) On Post 1820, I meant to type, Gordon7timeWinstonCupchamp has to be someone's joke account or is the most biased race car driver fan on this site. I am being honest with post 1820 about my feeling about this. I have favorite drivers through the years, but I never was a fanboy to an extreme like that poster. The scary thing is that poster boy being that big of a fanboy of a driver at his or her age shows a problem. I am not a newbie in NASCAR despite my roots in following racing is in CART. I staying following NASCAR in 1993. 1822. racefangurl posted: 01.31.2016 - 11:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) 1819, I know there was that Trevor Bayne 2-time champion mention was in there. And you must be poor at typing or a troll because you have misspellings. 1823. dennyfan11 posted: 02.03.2016 - 2:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Though these news stories have already been posted in the respective driver's comments, here are 2 new stories for next year. 1. Tony Stewart has been hospitalized for a back injury sustained in a non-racing accident. He is awake, alert, and can move. That's really sad to hear, especially since this is his last year in NASCAR. Hoping for a speedy recovery! 2. Cole Whitt has been signed to drive the #98 for Premium Motorsports next year. Not really happy about this. Cole has had some pretty good runs in Trucks and Xfinity, so I think he deserves a chance in at least a decent team. Some were talking about NASCAR games a while back, and though i'm late to the party, i'll chip in. I have all of the games from NASCAR 2011 onwards. Personally, I'm pretty fine with them, but there are some things they could change. - Make the AI more accident prone. - Make drafting more realistic. Currently, you can't draft well. - Add Xfinity and Trucks. (Okay, maybe not trucks, given the dreaded caution clock) - Add more historical scenarios. Inside Line had a thing where you could "change history" by changing outcomes of recent races. To do this, they should add "legend" drivers from years gone by, as well as re-enactments of famous finishes. Who wouldn't want to play as Donnie Allison or Cale Yarborough in the 1979 Daytona 500, preventing the crash? Or how about playing as Dale Earnhardt in the 1993 Daytona, trying to fight off Dale Jarrett so Earnhardt can win? The possibilities are endless! - Have the ability to drive as yourself for a pre-existing team. - Add part time drivers. Other than that, I'm pretty satisfied with my NASCAR gaming experience. I haven't played any of the old games, however, so I might have some bias. 1824. dennyfan11 posted: 02.03.2016 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) As for other points of discussion. - RIP Barney Hall. Though I never heard you on the radio, there's no doubt you were a major player in NASCAR. We will miss you. - As for best five-year stretch in NASCAR Single Driver- Richard Petty in 1971-1975. Racing Quality/Competitive Depth- Not entirely sure, but for competitive depth, probably the Early 2000s. 25 guys or so could win every week. 1825. 88&4Fan posted: 02.03.2016 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) "I have all of the games from NASCAR 2011 onwards. Personally, I'm pretty fine with them." If you had the EA Sports games (especially the early ones from the NASCAR Thunder era) to compare them to, you'd know why we think they're trash. 1826. that e-guy posted: 02.04.2016 - 10:12 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't post on this site that much, but here's some bold predictions. 1. Jimmie Johnson not only passes Earnhardt on the win list and also reaches 80 wins. 2. John Hunter Nemechek wins the Truck Series Title. 3. Erik Jones wins the Xfinity Title. 4. Carl Edwards wins the Sprint Cup Title. 5. Alex Bowman wins at least one race for JR. Motorsports 6. The rookies in the top 3 series will be Blaney (Cup), Erik Jones (Xfinity), and Byron (Trucks). 7. The caution clock (hopefully) gets removed. 8. Rico Abreu wins at Eldora. 9. The final 4 in the top 3 series will be Edwards, Logano, and the Busch brothers (Cup), Erik Jones, Allgaier, Dillon, and Suarez (Xfinity), Nemechek, Hemric, Crafton, Peters (Trucks). 10. A underfunded team wins at a plate track in one of the three series. 1827. that e-guy posted: 02.04.2016 - 10:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I meant to say but also reaches 80 wins on #1. I wish this site had a edit button. 1828. Ak47 posted: 02.04.2016 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just realized the season starts in two weeks, and they still haven't said if there will be 43 cars on the grid, or 40 (charters).. We all know by now there only seems to be ~38 full-time entries for the upcoming season, so that suggests the teams know there will be less spots in the field..otherwise, some new teams would've opened up in order to capitalize on the open purse money at the back of the field. 1829. racefangurl posted: 02.04.2016 - 5:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) Not a real fan of Tony Stewart, but I don't hate him either. It won't feel right when Daytona comes and he's not there. Guess he'll be like Rusty Wallace or '97 Dale Earnhardt forever or else do a one-off in 2017. It's thought he could perhaps do that. It's possible, but it's maybe not probable. Like pre-'98 Dale Earnhardt, Stewart is a Daytona winner, but not a 500 winner. 1830. Anonymous posted: 02.04.2016 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I cant even remember the last time I read a racefangurl post that wasnt cringeworthy. 1831. Tyson posted: 02.04.2016 - 6:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Michael Waltrip will drive the #83 for BK Racing at Daytona, with sponsorship from Maxwell's House. Matt DiBenedetto will drive a third car. Ty Dillon, as everyone knows, is scheduled to drive the #95 in the 500, and Michael McDowell is expected to drive a second Circle Sport/Leavine car in the 500. 1832. 88&4Fan posted: 02.04.2016 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) How fitting. He'll end his career at the place where careers go to die. 1833. Anonymous posted: 02.04.2016 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) ^ When will you take the hint that there are some things that are better off unsaid? This is like your fifteenth post that either makes no sense or supports a flawed opinion. 1834. 88&4Fan posted: 02.04.2016 - 9:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) "When will you take the hint that there are some things that are better off unsaid? This is like your fifteenth post that either makes no sense or supports a flawed opinion." Does it make you feel better to throw a cheap shot like that at me knowing that nobody knows who you are? "Anonymous"? 1835. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.04.2016 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (5) (2) Just saying, but the anonymous excuse is getting old fast. 1836. 88&4Fan posted: 02.04.2016 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) I'm sorry no, its not an "excuse." It really gets on my f***ing nerves when someone decides to make a snarky little comment under a name that anyone could use. This is twice in one day that one of these trolls has targeted me alone. And I'm not the only one its happening to either. I've been noticing lame cheap shots attacking people for no reason a lot more lately, and almost all the time its under the name Anonymous. If you're gonna take a shot at someone, write a name in the box. Otherwise you're nothing more than a coward and a troll. Rant over. 1837. Tyson posted: 02.04.2016 - 11:32 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) Everyone on this site is anonymous, to be honest. Anyone can use the name 88&4Fan the same way anyone can use anonymous. I use my first name on this site, and yet, there's still a sense of anonymity in there, so the anonymous excuse is getting a bit overused. 1838. 88&4Fan posted: 02.05.2016 - 12:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (5) Is 88&4Fan the default name that this website goes to for people who don't type in a name? No, it isn't. Are there multiple people on this website called 88&4Fan? Not besides that one troll who was copying peoples names last year. So my point remains valid, since "Anonymous" is the only "name" that there are multiple people on this site who use. And my point also remains valid that almost all of the cheap shot insult type comments are either by people with the name "Anonymous". 1839. 88&4Fan posted: 02.05.2016 - 12:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (5) And lost in all this is the fact that the thing that "Anonymous" chose to get his panties in a bunch over was absolutely nothing. All I did was simply state the irony of Michael Waltrip ending his career with a team that has been known to kill careers. I guess I should've remembered that this is 2016 and you can't even breathe without someone getting offended nowadays. 1840. The Long Shot posted: 02.05.2016 - 8:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) The anti-"Anonymous" angle has been overplayed since I joined the website. I could pull another moniker like "Steve Steverson" out to troll and comment with extremely easily, and for some reason those comments would have more validity than if I did it under the "Anonymous name". 1841. Opie posted: 02.05.2016 - 9:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think what 88&4 meant was you want to know who made the comment so you can offer a rebuttal and you can have a proper discussion with them. When someone goes by Anonymous you don't get that because A) Use Anonymous to ward off a discussion B) For the most part they make asinine arguments with no merit C) There's thousands of comments under Anonymous D) and maybe this is just nitpicky, but - If they are too lazy to come up with a handle how can you trust them to not have a lazy argument? Yes, I realize there are posters on here that have unique names and warped/bias/illogical way's of thinking, but at lest they catch your eye so you read their post to agree or disagree with it. 1842. 88&4Fan posted: 02.05.2016 - 10:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) You know, I probably overreacted a bit. And for that I apologize. But you have to understand where I'm coming from, being the target of an Anonymous troll comment twice within a very short time period. Anyway, I'm done on this subject. This is a pointless argument, its clearly not making anyone change their minds, and we'd all be better off talking about other things. Like, you know, racing. 1843. Alex posted: 02.05.2016 - 10:58 am Rate this comment: (3) (2) "You know, I probably overreacted a bit. And for that I apologize. But you have to understand where I'm coming from, being the target of an Anonymous troll comment twice within a very short time period. Anyway, I'm done on this subject. This is a pointless argument, its clearly not making anyone change their minds, and we'd all be better off talking about other things. Like, you know, racing. " Maybe if you'd actually... discuss civilly instead of always assuming your way is the only way and that only your opinion is valid... you'd get somewhere around here. 1844. Anonymous posted: 02.05.2016 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Ha ha. Alex of all people talking about civility. This is great. 1845. Alex posted: 02.05.2016 - 11:26 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Ha ha. Alex of all people talking about civility. This is great. " But at least I know far more about it than you! Civility is different from dismissiveness. I tend to be dismissive and condescending more than uncivil. 1846. 88&4Fan posted: 02.05.2016 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Anonymous: "Ha ha. Alex of all people talking about civility. This is great." The very definition of irony. 1847. racefangurl posted: 02.05.2016 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 1842, racing is 8 days away! Are you ready? 1848. Anonymous posted: 02.05.2016 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) @1846 That was obviously a plant you made to prove your point about anonymous users being assholes. You're not clever. 1849. 88&4Fan posted: 02.05.2016 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) ^Says Anonymous. And you're wrong. Again. 1850. Johnson6timechamp posted: 02.05.2016 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Anonymous. You, sir, and thats a compliment, are an idiot. This was ur comment on Joey Leganos page: So, whatev's poster doesn't agree with your point of view, must be the same person because your point of view is a verifiable 100 percent of fact and only rogue and insane people digress with your views? Get over yourself. I see PLENTY with the opposite of your views. But here u accuse 88&4 fan of a post anonymously to prove his point. Fu*king hypocrite. Everyone else knows it was u who posted that comment jsut like all the other anonymous comments u fu*king coward. 1851. Alex posted: 02.05.2016 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) So we have "anonymous," "Johnson6timechamp," and "Gordon7timechamp" all here at once and all battling mental illness and sharing their illness here for the world to see. It's a wonderful life. "1848. Anonymous posted: 02.05.2016 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) @1846 That was obviously a plant you made to prove your point about anonymous users being assholes. You're not clever. " I'd imagine your knowledge of plants is VERY limited for some reason. 1852. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.05.2016 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Petty arguments like this is yet another reason why the RR community has been declining the past couple years. 1853. Alex posted: 02.05.2016 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Petty arguments like this is yet another reason why the RR community has been declining the past couple years. " It has been declining the last 4 years, IMO. It peaked around 2011-2012 (right around when The Long Shot, David, and The Jolly Mean Giant were first posting), but believe me that what we have now is still better than the first years (2004-2005) of comments. 1854. 88&4Fan posted: 02.05.2016 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I think a big reason for the decline was the decline of NASCAR. How many people have stopped posting here or only post occasionally now because they hate the direction that NASCAR is going in? Too many to count. 1855. Earnhardt27timechamp posted: 02.05.2016 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (17) @1854 racin refrence hasnt been the same since big e died 1856. Driver X posted: 02.05.2016 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Some more calculations for what would have happened had the Xfinity Chase been enacted in the past: 2008 Final Four: Brad Keselowski, Mike Bliss, Mike Wallace, Marcos Ambrose Brad Keselowski would have won the race and the championship, as the chasers would not be eligible for the finale. Marcos Ambrose and Mike Wallace, despite three top 10s between them in the six race stretch leading up to Homestead, yet manage to sneak into the final four. Imagine what would have happened had either of them won the title! And I believe that Scott Wimmer would have made some noise, had he been able to run the last six races. 2009 Final Four: Mike Bliss, Brendan Gaughan, Brad Keselowski, Scott Wimmer Brendan Gaughan wins the title by one point, but more than likely Brad K would have won the title since Denny Hamlin would not be able to pull his shenanigans at Homestead. And Mike Bliss winning would have been a great story, considering he got fired from the #1 team late in the season. I will do 2005, 2006 and 2007, and report to you all my findings. 1857. David posted: 02.05.2016 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It peaked around 2011-2012 (right around when The Long Shot, David, and The Jolly Mean Giant were first posting)" Even when I was talking out of my posterior half the time? Gee, thanks! 1858. RaceFanX posted: 02.05.2016 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It peaked around 2011-2012 (right around when The Long Shot, David, and The Jolly Mean Giant were first posting)." Why am I always left out in these things? Eh, I'm here for fun and trying to put the stories to the races. 1859. David posted: 02.06.2016 - 10:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why am I always left out in these things? Eh, I'm here for fun and trying to put the stories to the races." Of course. Your presence is much appreciated. 1860. Sean posted: 02.06.2016 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "how do Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, and Jeff Burton rate on a historical scale? And how valid is my theory of a Big 6 of NASCAR teams in the late 90's consisting of Hendrick, Roush, Yates, Childress, Gibbs, and Penske. Eric and Sean in particular need to weigh in on this." Sorry Six, I missed this. Regardless, I already discussed Jarrett (who I used to think was overrated but no longer do) and Bobby Labonte (who I agree with you is one of the most overrated drivers in Cup history). Jeff Burton...I used to kind of throw him in the same category with Bobby Labonte as the same sort of driver without the title, but now I think I was wrong. He was a major player for four years ('97-'00), maybe even five ('01...considering how bad Roush was that year), while Bobby only was for two ('99-'00). Bobby Labonte only won once on a short track (Martinsville 2002 when he was already in decline) and it wasn't even a natural win. Burton was much faster on the short tracks in general, particularly Richmond. Burton also seemed to be better at the one-mile ovals which I also rate significantly for talent (Dover, Loudon, Phoenix, etc..., although I think B. Labonte may have been better at Rockingham). My problem with Burton, much like my problem with Helio Castroneves in IndyCar, is that he almost always was playing second fiddle to one of his teammates. I think Burton was the best driver at Roush from 1999-2001, but that's it (yes, even 1999: even though Martin beat him in points, Burton was faster) and that's too short a period for such a major team for me to see him as great, but I do think I'd take him over Bobby Labonte at this point. When looking at terminal natural leads, Jeff Burton only loses 1 win (going down to 20) while Bobby Labonte goes down seven (21 to 14). B. Labonte was also outperformed by teammates, as Stewart matched him in wins in '99-'00 (even though he didn't have the consistency yet) and then took control of the team every year following until Kyle Busch arrived there in 2008, at which point Stewart instantly left... Jarrett is the only one of those drivers I would say is GREAT though. And I think you agree with that... I now largely agree with you on Marlin too... What I don't agree with at all is you rating Bill Elliott (and others) over Darrell Waltrip (though I do also find Waltrip overrated and the worst of the top eight winners, I think you oversell the case), and I also don't agree that Mark Martin is clearly the best driver to never win a title or Daytona 500 (I think I myself personally would take Harry Gant and Curtis Turner over him...I'll grant the longevity and stats aren't there, but speculating what those drivers would have done in each other's equipment, I don't think Martin wins those comparisons). While I'll agree that Hendrick, Roush, Yates, Gibbs, and Penske were major players in the late '90s (and I think Penske would have done a lot more had Rusty Wallace and his crew chiefs not constantly been at odds with each other after Buddy Parrott left, and if they had hired somebody not as lousy as Jeremy Mayfield), I don't think I agree on Childress if you are emphasizing the late '90s. RCR was still powerful in 1995 but after Andy Petree left and it became clear that Hendrick had taken over factory Chevy team status from them in 1996, Childress was starting to fall to second tier. RCR giving Earnhardt two different crew chiefs in 1996 was a bad idea just as it was when Evernham briefly tried his crew chiefs by committee later. Earnhardt was still able to survive even that (although I find his early '96 a bit overrated by consistency) until his Talladega crash. After that, they continued to be a dominant restrictor plate force (even Skinner regularly contended on them) but were fairly lackluster over the rest of the schedule, like the late '90s equivalent of what Morgan-McClure was in the first half of the decade, or what DEI was in the first half of the next decade. I think it's actually impressive Earnhardt got the points finishes he got considering all that was happening to RCR, which became a lot more clear after his death. However, I'll further add that RCR started emphasizing consistency over fighting for race wins as early as 1991, and as a result MOST of Earnhardt's points finishes for the rest of the decade were better than how he was actually running on track, and this definitely continued into the Harvick/Bowyer/Burton years where they had a lot of overrated points finishes in the late 2000s. I definitely see Childress being a step down from those other five teams. Still good, no longer great, and I'm not sure they ever were again, and maybe I have been underrating Harvick as a result. "racin refrence hasnt been the same since big e died" The site didn't even exist while he was alive. "Sean, what do you consider "minor" races? I'm assuming we're going by Texas, Chicago, Kansas, Kentucky, Vegas, Pocono, Fontana, Michigan and possibly Dover?" I missed this from several months ago. I don't appear to have discussed that in this thread at all. I loathe restrictor plate racing with every fiber of my being (especially the post-2000 version; at least the '90s version reflected talent more) but I would still call the Daytona 500 major (the 400 is not; it's pretty consistently the most boring plate race of the season, and Talladega no longer is; once Winston changed which race they were sponsoring in 1998, it became far less clear which one was supposed to be the major one). I would say the Coca-Cola 600 and Brickyard 400 is major (although both tracks have been very boring for stock cars in recent years). I would say any short track races and road course races are major (although the road course races are definitely less major than they were with both Gordons retired, Stewart irrelevant, and few particularly talented road course crossovers, and at this point in their career, Fellows, Said, and Papis aren't that talented, when compared to say Andre Lotterer, Sebastien Buemi, Mark Webber, Timo Bernhard, Nick Tandy, Patrick Pilet, Kevin Estre, Sam Bird, Earl Bamber, Pipo Derani, Jordan Taylor, Dane Cameron, Ryan Dalziel, Richard Westbrook, Joey Hand, and many, many other modern road course drivers...) When it comes to evaluating talent, I rate the short tracks and road courses and Darlington and Rockingham (RIP) most highly. I rate Phoenix/Loudon/Dover slightly less highly but still highly. I rate Pocono/Indianapolis a little for their uniqueness and that they both seem to be rather good championship indicators, although success there is definitely more dependent on equipment. Atlanta and Fontana are the only cookie-cutters I rate at all, as the worn pavement makes them more difficult, but when they are paved, I won't rate them anymore. The plate tracks and the other cookie-cutters I hardly rate at all, but on *any* track I am more impressed in races that are won naturally (based on on-track lead changes rather than goofy pit strategy). In other words, either though I'm not impressed by intermediate tracks and love road courses, I still certainly rate great IndyCar high-speed oval duelists (Hornish, Wheldon, Kanaan, Luyendyk, and the like, even though none were great road racers) over drivers who luck out on pit strategy on street courses (Carlos Munoz, Carlos Huertas, and the like...) 1861. Sean posted: 02.06.2016 - 1:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not to diss Munoz's talent as a duelist at Indianapolis, but I just see Munoz at the moment as the Colombian equivalent of Marco Andretti (great at Indy but mediocre elsewhere), and both of them as the modern equivalent of Scott Goodyear (who had the same split between his Indy results and his results anywhere else...) At least Marco and Munoz never failed to qualify for the Indy 500 and have teammates pulled out of the race for them like Goodyear did twice, and at least neither of them lost an Indy 500 due to something as stupid as passing the pace car on a late restart... 1862. MAR posted: 02.06.2016 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I got a video game question for everyone Who has played project cars and is the game worth it? 1863. 88&4Fan posted: 02.06.2016 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well I think I've decided who I'm cheering for tomorrow. Sorry to the Panthers fans here but since this is likely Peyton Mannings last game I want to see him go out on top. I guess it would still be all right if the Panthers won, to see Greg Olsen, Jared Allen, and Thomas Davis get a ring finally, and also Luke Kuechly who is one of my favorite defensive players. The only problem would be Cam Newton and his enormous ego. 1864. joey2448 posted: 02.06.2016 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "The only problem would be Cam Newton and his enormous ego." Oh great, here we go with this debate. Since it's been debated as nauseam in the past two weeks, I'll keep this short. I don't understand why folks think Cam has a huge ego. Yes, he's confident, and yes, he dances and celebrates when he scores, or a teammate scores. But isn't that what football and sports in general is all about?? It's supposed to be fun! Gimme a break! 1865. SpeedWorld97 posted: 02.06.2016 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So is anyone else currently watching the 12 Hours of Bathurst? It's been a pretty good race so far between the McLarens, Audis, and Bentleys after the first 2.5 hours of racing. 1866. 88&4Fan posted: 02.06.2016 - 4:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) I don't have a problem with players celebrating. But he takes it too far. He does it far too excessively to the point where its obnoxious. And I understand the whole "keep him out of the end zone if you don't want him to dance" thing but he does it even when he just gets a f'ing first down. 1867. Eldrick posted: 02.06.2016 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm not really much of a Bronco fan, but since the theme of tomorrow's game comes down to Mr. Class versus Mr. No Class at the QB position, I'll root for Class. But "No Class" is going to win big; sorry Peyton, but you're going out a loser of the big game. Still one hell of a career, but it'll be remembered (by some) mainly as one where the Big One got away too often. 1868. Nathan8848 posted: 02.06.2016 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commercial with the NFL on Fox guys with the suites advertising the Daytona 500 is funnier then it should be. However, The Daytona Day commercial is bad. 1869. C posted: 02.06.2016 - 6:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Eldrick Both of these QB are some of the classiest guys in the league. Cam giving a football to a kid after every touchdown is no class. 1870. 88&4Fan posted: 02.06.2016 - 9:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Honestly I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal over the Daytona Day commercial. Its just some NASCAR fans having fun, whats wrong with that? 1871. dennyfan11 posted: 02.06.2016 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Agreed. I think it's fine. 1872. Pucci Man posted: 02.07.2016 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Only 6 days until the Bud Shootout. Is there any news if that BS one GWC rule is still in play again this season at the plate races or did Brian France finally use a brain cell & got rid of that stupid rule he invented? 1873. Tide1732 posted: 02.07.2016 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Broncos Wins? 1874. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Well they're off to a better start than last time the Broncos made it. 1875. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 7:09 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 10-0 lead by Denver. 1876. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Idiot of the game so far goes to Aquib "Pokey" Talib. Also, these commercials all suck so far. 1877. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchampion posted: 02.07.2016 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Whatever fears you're facing, remember that the only thing that matters is that you listen to yourself, and your inner GPS. 1878. Super Bowl Zebras posted: 02.07.2016 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Are we totally in the tank for Carolina, or what!!! 1879. C posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (3) BeyoncĂ© is going to have two more Super Bowl appearances than tony romo 1880. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I wonder if Romo is watching in the stands with Tom Brady. "See you in February" 1881. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) At the half, MVP so far I think goes to Von Miller and best commercial is the Prius car chase. Now to mute the TV for the halftime show consisting of Lame (Coldplay), Lamer (Bruno Mars), and Lamest (Beyonce) while I pull up the YouTube video of a real band (U2) delivering the best SB halftime show of all-time. 1882. DB1995 posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:28 pm Rate this comment: (4) (5) I wish AC/DC would play the halftime show 1883. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) #1877 I'm sorry, but I can't take any attempt at philosophy or wisdom from Gordon7TimeChamp seriously. Considering the amount of criticism and controversy this guy has stirred up in the past few weeks, I get the feeling he just shared with us how he finds the courage to ignore us and continue following his guts... As for the Super Bowl...Not a big NFL fan, but being from the Carolinas myself, I really can't help but pull for Carolina (Nothing against Denver, but I'd feel pretty foolish for pulling against my own home team!). They're gonna have to step it up in the second half if they want to stop the Broncos, though...so far, the Denver defense has been stout. 1884. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Don't we all DB1995. I'm going to see AC/DC live next month at the Verizon Center, one of my favorite bands. Just think how awesome would it be to hear "Thunderstruck" on the big stage. 1885. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) 1 person hates football. 1886. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I see the umbs-thay own-day oll-tray is out in full force tonight. 1887. Anoynous posted: 02.07.2016 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Dez dropped it 1888. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchampion posted: 02.07.2016 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Auto giant Ford is planning a new assembly plant south of the U.S. border, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday, and will sharply increase factory output from Mexico just months after signing a labor deal. Citing people familiar with the matter, The Journal reported that Ford will add half a million units of annual capacity from Mexico starting in 2018, which is double the amount it built in 2015. The new assembly complex will be based in An Luis Potosi, and Ford will expand an existing facility near Mexico City, the publication added. 1889. PC posted: 02.07.2016 - 9:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Personally my fsvortie sport is baseball than nascsr than footbsll than basketball 1890. racefangurl posted: 02.07.2016 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) 1885, I hate football. 1891. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cam looks like he's given up. Surprised he isn't sitting on the bench wearing a towel over his head. 1892. Football posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:12 pm Rate this comment: (6) (0) I hate you to racefangirl 1893. Nathan8848 posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Game was rigged to have Peyton win the game. Just playing with you guys. It is a auto racing page after all. 1894. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well, it's a bummer to see the Panthers lose the Super Bowl for a second time (well with two minutes left they're not gonna win), but Denver just plain outplayed them tonight. That defense was just too strong. Hope all the fans in Denver enjoy the victory, it's been a long time (almost 20 years) since they've won the big game. Definitely earned it tonight! 1895. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:21 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Congrats to Denver. On another note, interesting how two people with a reputation of being chokers (Busch and Manning) win championships in the same year. And they both have #18... 1896. Nathan8848 posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Both Manning and Busch only competed half the schedule. Illuminati confirmed. 1897. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Congratulations to the Denver Broncos. And Peyton Manning, thanks for the memories. You will be missed. Also interesting is that both "chokers" missed parts of the season. 1898. TS1420 posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Great job Denver! At least I get to see one of my all-time favorites go out on top. 1899. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) And it makes sense that the Broncos would win too. Two years ago, everyone expected they would win against Seattle, when Denver had the #1 offense and Seattle had the #1 defense, and what happened was one of the most embarrassing performances ever. Now, Carolina (which pretty much mirrors the Seattle team from two years ago) had the #1 offense while Denver had the #1 defense and everyone thought Carolina would win. So really, it makes sense that the Broncos won. Also, Peyton Manning gets his 200th career win, breaking the tie between himself and Brett Favre. Had to beat one more Favre record before he retired. 1900. 88&4Fan posted: 02.07.2016 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) As far as the commercials, I was pretty disappointed. Only ones I really liked were the Prius car chase and Mike Tyson for Michael & Son. 1901. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 02.07.2016 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Personally, I find it kind of weird that there are a ton of people who only watch the Super Bowl FOR the new commercials...Then again, considering how consumerist our culture is, I guess that's not a big surprise. Commercials only tend to get my attention when they're being spammed to death and/or are overly annoying ("I ATE THE BONES!", anyone?)... 1902. Anonymous posted: 02.07.2016 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "As far as the commercials, I was pretty disappointed. Only ones I really liked were the Prius car chase and Mike Tyson for Michael & Son." I really liked the Audi R8 astronaut commercial. Otherwise there were a lot of strange commercials this year. 1903. Jason Gilstrap posted: 02.08.2016 - 8:20 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Hmmmm, where do I even begin to talk about last night's game? First of all, I want to say how proud I am of my Panthers defense. Truth is they only gave up 6 points. Of Denver's 24 points, 7 came directly from Cam's first fumble, 8 came from his second fumble that Denver recovered on the 5 (after Cam's epic effort to recover his fumble), and 3 came from that big punt return. Now for the big one: Cam. With the exception of LeBron James in Games 5 and 6 of the 2010 Eastern Conference finals and Games 5 and 6 of the 2011 NBA Finals, never has a heralded, outerworldly talented, superior athlete just quit when the stakes were the highest like that. He played with no fire, no passion, no heart, no leadership, no pride, just that bad attitude straight from 2011 and 2012. As much hell as I have given QBs like Favre and Manning (more on him in a second) for their consistent playoff regressions in performance, at least they were trying. Cam threw in the towel early and that was that. Most disgraceful Super Bowl performance ever. Yeah, other QBs have had worse stats. But never has a heralded QB disgraced himself like that. I feel bad for our defense not getting to be champions. But this game made me feel bad for all the underdog teams who went to the big game, played their hearts out, and fell just short. Teams like the 2003 Panthers, the 2008 Cardinals, the 1999 Titans, the 1995 Steelers, the 1988 Bengals, the 1979 Rams. Those teams went out and played their guts out. As for Peyton, he didn't play a good game. He did more harm than good. He'll go down as a 2 time champ. The fact is he got his team's to the playoffs every single year of his career. Despite his constant post season regressions, when you make the post season 15 times, eventually you'll stumble into a ring or two. Neither of his championship runs were particularly memorable. Of his 27 playoff games, only 3 were really good performances from him, none past the divisional round. His '03 and '04 brutal Wild Card beatdowns of (ironically) Denver and his '03 Divisional masterpiece in Arrowhead. But he his regular season brilliance was unparalleled, which put him in the playoffs every year. His 9 one and dones (6 at home, 5 as the #1 or #2 seed) still stand. He wasn't '86-'95 John Elway carrying inferior teams further than they should have ever gone in the first place. He was a transcend QB who lost far too many times to inferior teams. This game goes down as a flawed battle between two flawed teams who got there by beating even more flawed teams. Carolina beat a badly imploding Seattle team and a deeply flawed Arizona team while Denver beat an injured Steelers team (Big Ben was the gutsiest QB of the post season as usual) and a flawed Pats team. Peyton was useless and Cam was a disgrace. Super Bowl 50 ladies and gents... 1904. Opie posted: 02.08.2016 - 8:40 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) ^ Jaded much? 1905. Opie posted: 02.08.2016 - 8:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1900 - I liked the one with Kevin Hart, that was pretty funny. The one with TJ Miller wasn't bad either. The rest were blah. 1906. Jason Gilstrap posted: 02.08.2016 - 10:28 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Unless....... Word on the street is that Cam got a concussion on that first sack/fumble/TD. Apparently at halftime he ran to the wrong tunnel and at his post game press conference he just got up after 3 minutes and walked out. Maybe that explains his lifeless demeanor and inability to move on the field. Or maybe he froze badly in the moment and then sulked afterwards. 1907. Nathan8848 posted: 02.08.2016 - 10:44 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) NASCAR will unveil the new Charter System tomorrow. S**t 1908. Opie posted: 02.08.2016 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) No, there is no way Cam would have been playing if they suspected a concussion. With all the scrutiny the NFL has over concussion protocol, and with hundreds of millions of people watching there is just no way. Coaches are now taught to recognize the signs of a concussion, so even if he did not say anything his coaches would have known something was up. ...and players accidentally head for the wrong tunnel all the time. Face facts: winning MVP went to Cam's head / he cracked under pressure 1909. 88&4Fan posted: 02.08.2016 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) This is Peyton. Peyton is a class act. Peyton has two Super Bowl rings. Peyton is going out on top. Be like Peyton. This is Cam. Cam talks trash for two weeks before the big game. Cam embarrasses himself on the field and lets all his teammates down. Cam can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Don't be like Cam. Be like Peyton. 1910. MAR posted: 02.08.2016 - 12:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (10) The game was rigged Peyton did absolutely nothing last night his defense won the game the NFL paid the panthers offensive players to lay down especially the O line. Cam was robbed by the NFL and the last two super bowls we're fixed. 1911. Canadianfan posted: 02.08.2016 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hi MAR I apologize for the lateness in my reply. I have have Project CARS for PS4. It is a good game there is new DLC every month both cars and tracks and free cars as well. Even under the most easiest settings this is not a arcade game it is a driving simulator. The AI could be a lot more aggressive in the game, even at 100% difficulty they are a pushover they don't fight back and you can actually guide them off track just by crowding them. They do have NASCAR racing though generic looking early 90's stocks cars with fake made-up companies. They are working on a 2014 Ford Fusion NASCAR and Daytona for February. As well as Indycar and Indianapolis for March. Tracks based on Bristol, Richmond, Dover, and Charlotte were planned but have been canceled and we will probably see them in Project Cars 2. 1912. 88&4Fan posted: 02.08.2016 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "NASCAR will unveil the new Charter System tomorrow. S**t" Well, we knew it was going to happen. So its probably better that we get it overwith. 1913. Blue Palaski posted: 02.08.2016 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 1910 Are you coming down with Gordon7timechamp syndrome? 1914. Scott B posted: 02.08.2016 - 1:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, we knew it was going to happen. So its probably better that we get it overwith." Yeah, I'd really like to know if/when the size of the Cup field gets reduced, among other things. 1915. Nathan8848 posted: 02.08.2016 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fields are reduced this year to 40. 1916. Eldrick posted: 02.08.2016 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Let's see: NASCAR TV ratings & revenue are declining rapidly, attendance at tracks has dropped dramatically such that venues are covering massive numbers of seats with tarps to make the place not look so barren (or removing sections of stands entirely). Now fields are being reduced and we have the idiotic "charter" idea -- which boils down to small owners being forced out of NASCAR so only the fat cats will remain to divide up the ever-dwindling pie, sponsors are backing away and many races can't even get sponsorship at all ("Pennsylvania 400", "Dover 400", "New Hampshire 301", "Chicago 400", "Alabama 500", and that's just the CUP level) or, if lucky, they get some small-time company at the last minute to pony up some $$$ (company name will NOT be mentioned on TV unless it ALSO pays $$$ to the media: it will just be called "NASCAR Racing From Pocono" or whatever). I'll just skip over the other idiotic changes (e.g. caution clocks) and get to my question: When Butthead Brian France announced the field size reduction, how many times did he mention that NASCAR is in fantastic shape, everything is tremendous, fan interest is at an all-time high, and the future is the brightest it has ever been? IOW, how many times did he state the exact opposite of the truth? 1917. typo posted: 02.08.2016 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Haven't commented in a while, or matter of fact go on here any more. After I heard about these changes, or what NASCAR calls 'Improvements' it just made me think. Ever since November 22nd to now, I have been moving more and more away from NASCAR because of how bad it has gotten. For 10 years I've never realized how much NASCAR has rotten away more and more from years prior. Just terrible, a caution clock?!?!?! HOW IS THIS NASCAR!!! I am trying to make this professional, but that is just the most god awful idea NASCAR could ever do to it's fans. But not to NASCAR because ever since the cha$e came along, it got negativity from it's fans. NASCAR would never admit it was a bad idea , so they try to make 'Improvements' by making wild cards (Seriously, NFL used to never have the Wild card system either, copying???) Then making PLAY-OFFS. PLAY-OFFS IN RACING??? They saw NFL's fame and try to steal it! Then in 2015, NASCAR said that the Ford Ecoboast 400 had great ratings! But, at that same time, Football night in America was on!!! Ratings spike??? Just, terrible. Just terrible. 2015 was a painful year for NASCAR. I started to really realize what NASCAR wanted, M$N$Y! Cold hard cash! Bill France & Bill France Jr. Constantly made fantastic changes to make the sport better for drivers, teams, sponsors, and most importantly, fans! But when Brian came, NASCAR slowly, then all of a sudden hit rock bottom, kind of like a roller-coaster ride where it slowly goes down and then out of nowhere, PLUM-ITS threw to wind, so fast you don't even realize until you are already at the bottom. Maybe not for you, but definitely for me. So now I have resorted to NFL and Indycar, because they keep me engaged and always throw in delightful surprises, like SB50 and Auto Club for Indy. But for NASCAR, it's just gimmick after gimmick. Please NASCAR, PLEASE NASCAR listen to the fans, the fans who have loved NASCAR, went to races, supported it, and enjoyed it. Please listen to them, not these new, unwanted Modern ones who don't give a shit about anything. Your fans want to make it better, but you just won't listen to them. Please make the changes before you drive away all your die-hard fans, and eventually everyone, just like CCWS. This rant is over now. I might sound crazy or smart. I don't really know or care. I just feel I should have gotten this out before I really went crazy. I totally forgot about the Budweis- Sprint Unlimited. See you then. 1918. dennyfan11 posted: 02.08.2016 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Ugh. We all knew this would happen, but it's still sad. This rule will just give even more to the big teams, as it will pretty much shut out all new teams from competing. It will also eliminate part time teams, pretty much, by guaranteeing 36 a spot in the field, giving only 4 spots up for grabs. And, it's just another attempt at competing NFL, with franchising and locking teams in. Ugh... What's next? A NFL style tournament bracket system? To make matters even worse, we only have 37-38 listed teams, which means we won't even fill that. NASCAR is dying. 1919. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.08.2016 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) National Automotive Sport devoid of Common Sense And Racing 1920. TS1420 posted: 02.08.2016 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (5) (3) I swear some NASCAR "fans" wouldn't be happy even if NASCAR paid them to attend races. "Now fields are being reduced and we have the idiotic "charter" idea -- which boils down to small owners being forced out of NASCAR so only the fat cats will remain to divide up the ever-dwindling pie, sponsors are backing away and many races can't even get sponsorship at all ("Pennsylvania 400", "Dover 400", "New Hampshire 301", "Chicago 400", "Alabama 500", and that's just the CUP level) or, if lucky, they get some small-time company at the last minute to pony up some $$$ (company name will NOT be mentioned on TV unless it ALSO pays $$$ to the media: it will just be called "NASCAR Racing From Pocono" or whatever)." NASCAR had grids set at less than 43 until 1996/1997. NASCAR has also had unsponsored races even during their peak years. Both Pocono & New Hampshire races were unsponsored for a majority of the peak "golden" years. Don't forget the dotcom take-over in 2000 which were all gone the following season. And sponsors having to pony up extra money to be mentioned on TV is nothing new. (ie the 1999 Bellsouth Mobility 320 being called the Nashville 320 by CBS). "I started to really realize what NASCAR wanted, M$N$Y! Cold hard cash! Bill France & Bill France Jr. Constantly made fantastic changes to make the sport better for drivers, teams, sponsors, and most importantly, fans!" News flash. Big Bill & Little Bill were after your money too. People seem to forget the chasing after new non-traditional fans, abandoning of traditional rural tracks for tracks in bigger markets, overblown marketing blitz's to attract new fans (NASCAR at 50, NASCAR's Night in Hollywood, NASCAR 2000) started under the never did a single thing wrong Bill Jr. Brian gets shit on for allowing races to be put on the under-subscribed NBCSN & FS1 but Bill Jr is given a free pass for allowing races to be put on under-subscribed FX. Hell I've even heard that Bill Jr in the late 90's even floated the idea "playoffs" and splitting the series in to two divisions, planting the seeds for Brian's Chase. Let's also not forget Bill Jr would just try to sweep all death's and injuries under the rug as quickly as possible and do little or nothing to help solve these issues until the biggest NASCAR star of all time died on the final lap of the biggest race of the season. Yes Brian France is a moron with a lack of serious connection to the sport. But let's not put on rose colored glasses and ignore the faults of those that came before him. 1921. Scott B posted: 02.08.2016 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR has always been about making money from the sport, but the difference is where the money is derived. In the beginning, it was strictly about people who attended the races in person. If the promoter sold enough beer and hot dogs, it was a good night. Then live TV coverage came along, bringing new money and exposure to a wider audience, which I guess is what most of the posters here consider the golden years. Now, the emphasis is so strongly upon the TV ratings and the big contracts that go with that, that the original fan base who simply loved racing for what it was has been pushed aside. They sort of fell victim to their own success, and when the economy turned bad instead of scaling back in a sensible way started chasing ways of amping up the "drama" to appeal to a different kind of audience. 1922. Scott B posted: 02.08.2016 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hell I've even heard that Bill Jr in the late 90's even floated the idea "playoffs" and splitting the series in to two divisions, planting the seeds for Brian's Chase." There was talk of an East & West division. That was at the time when there were new tracks under construction and NASCAR was looking for ways to add new Cup dates without stretching the schedule to where teams were out running events nearly 52 weeks out of the year. So yes, that was a money making idea for certain. It also resembled the structure in other pro sports leagues, though it wasn't so much an attempt to copy them as a practical way to solve the problem at hand. Not really a direct connection to the Chase, though a playoff would actually make more sense if all the teams were not running the same schedule. 1923. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 02.08.2016 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (2) (2) "I swear some NASCAR "fans" wouldn't be happy even if NASCAR paid them to attend races." I betya some wish NASCAR would. But fans would bitch about that too. Most of NASCARs money comes from TV, then sponsors then everything else. "News flash. Big Bill & Little Bill were after your money too. People seem to forget the chasing after new non-traditional fans, abandoning of traditional rural tracks for tracks in bigger markets, overblown marketing blitz's to attract new fans (NASCAR at 50, NASCAR's Night in Hollywood, NASCAR 2000) started under the never did a single thing wrong Bill Jr. Brian gets shit on for allowing races to be put on the under-subscribed NBCSN & FS1 but Bill Jr is given a free pass for allowing races to be put on under-subscribed FX. Hell I've even heard that Bill Jr in the late 90's even floated the idea "playoffs" and splitting the series in to two divisions, planting the seeds for Brian's Chase. Let's also not forget Bill Jr would just try to sweep all death's and injuries under the rug as quickly as possible and do little or nothing to help solve these issues until the biggest NASCAR star of all time died on the final lap of the biggest race of the season." You just won the thread. 1924. Sean posted: 02.08.2016 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Yes Brian France is a moron with a lack of serious connection to the sport. But let's not put on rose colored glasses and ignore the faults of those that came before him." Totally. The decline started in 1998, not 2003. Closer to the time when Mike Helton ascended to the throne than Brian France... 1925. Tide1732 posted: 02.09.2016 - 4:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Now 41 With #49 possibly at daytona No 43. More 4 possible Last list drivers to 45 1926. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchampion posted: 02.09.2016 - 7:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I betya some wish NASCAR would." some people like to be abused. 1927. 88&4Fan posted: 02.09.2016 - 1:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, it happened. RIP 43 car fields. RIP small teams. RIP competitive depth. RIP Rob Kauffman's integrity (oh wait that died on September 6, 2013). 1928. Driver X posted: 02.09.2016 - 2:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have nothing. That is all. 1929. Braindead Zombie Farce posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) And one more thing (this is 88&4Fan) I guess this is a good of a time as any to reveal my new name that I've been planning for a while now with the charter system being announced and all, so here it is. What do you all think? 1930. Braindead Zombie Farce posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) I might shorten it to just "Braindead Farce" or "Braindead Zombie". 1931. MAR posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) NASCAR will die by 2020 1932. Tide1732 posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) NASCAR Fans to moved to Indycar Series? 1933. MAR posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm going to progress back to Indy car 1934. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'm surprised some conspiracy theorist hasn't brought up the idea that Brian France secretly hates NASCAR and is purposely making these goofy changes to the sport to drive away fans and slowly destroy the sport... Do I believe that? No, but it ALMOST sounds like it could be plausible. NASCAR keeps trying to make changes to appeal to trendy, annoying hipsters (the recent 'Daytona Day' commercial, as well as others-the "Fantasy NASCAR" commercial from last year with the annoying nicknames-make it seem pretty clear that's who they want for a fanbase)...and it not only doesn't really succeed in attracting their interest, it's driving away the diehard fans who have followed the sport for years. Oh, what a JOY it would be to get to explore Brian France's mind... 1935. MAR posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Since cup owners don't want the little guy in the cup series anymore since this charter crap is officially here cup owners should be banned from the truck series and xfinity series to make things fair. 1936. Anonymous posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the Xfinity and Camping do you get it automatically with a win. 1937. Alex posted: 02.09.2016 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) *Webmaster*, could you please do some cleanup here? It is not funny when people spread false information, especially when they are spreading false rumors about someone dying when the person is in fact quite well. 1938. Captain51 posted: 02.09.2016 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's looking like the 19, 41, 46, and 21 won't have charters. With the two MWR charters expected to go with the 19 and 41, the 21 wouldn't be in too bad of shape without having a charter. 1939. Anthony posted: 02.09.2016 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last Cup race to feature 43 cars, they're going back to 40 for next year. 1940. Captain51 posted: 02.09.2016 - 6:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I love this sport. I absolutely love it. I also see that the sport has been on a very rocky path for quite some time and have often questioned different parts of it. I'm hoping that these new aero changes help improve the racing to how it should be. As far as the charters, I see pros and cons to both. I'd like to see the charter be actually put to use before I just jump right out and give my opinion. 1941. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 02.09.2016 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So is the point system going to start at 40 pts for 1st (40..39..38..etc)? Cuz if it starts at 43, I'm gonna be confused. (/sarcasm) I really wonder if down the road(1 month, 1 year, 1 decade) this is gonna bite non-union NASCAR in the butt. In order to keep the competitors happy and financially solvent, they have given some control over to the race teams similar to F1 and CART. If Kauffman and co. aren't satisfied with the racing conditions. rules, etc., what's to say they don't pull out of a race in unison and Bri-Bri is stuck with a 4-6 car field similar to Indy '05. "It's looking like the 19, 41, 46, and 21 won't have charters. With the two MWR charters expected to go with the 19 and 41, the 21 wouldn't be in too bad of shape without having a charter." The Daytona 500 will be sketchy, especially if NASCAR keeps the Past champs provisional. 1942. David posted: 02.09.2016 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brock Beard has penned two excellent pieces about the new charter system and why it is wrong for NASCAR: one from January 4, and the latest one was just after the system was announced. I recommend checking them out on LASTCAR sometime (I won't post the link, because then this post wouldn't show up for a while). Oh, and as for myself, my reaction was similar to a certain black-clad character. 1943. John posted: 02.09.2016 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You can say that this charter system hurts the little guy but the little guy virtually had no chance. I don't think NASCAR fans realize how big of a deal this is for the future of the sport with sponsors and most of all teams having guaranteed revenue when they leave. 1944. murb posted: 02.10.2016 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently Brian Vickers will drive the #14 car. 1945. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.10.2016 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thats surprising, considering the history between him and Stewart. 1946. markjeff531 posted: 02.10.2016 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i am a big Brian Vickers fan so i have to ask? How do you know?? where did you hear this?!?!? of course his health is far more important but it would be AMAZING to see one of my favorite drivers return, even if its temporary 1947. murb posted: 02.10.2016 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Thats surprising, considering the history between him and Stewart." Outside of the 2011 Sonoma incident I'm pretty sure they've always been friendly with each other. But yeah, I don't think anyone saw this coming. I like it though, if for no other reason than I think Vickers is a WAY better choice than say Sadler or Hornish. If they had to go with an "experienced" guy over Bowman and the like, I'm okay with Vickers. But yes, I'm super surprised it actually happened. 1948. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.10.2016 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Although Kurt Busch (who was #1 on Tony's most hated list from 2007-2008) drives for him now and everything has been all right between them. So you never know. 1949. murb posted: 02.10.2016 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "i am a big Brian Vickers fan so i have to ask? How do you know?? where did you hear this?!?!?" Associated Press has an article out. Check Jenna Fryer's Twitter. 1950. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 02.10.2016 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Vickers is a more than capable plate racer. he could easily finish top 15 or even top 10. 1951. Opie posted: 02.10.2016 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think this is a bogus report, Vickers has not been medically cleared by NASCAR, and won't be while under treatment for blood clots. It's hard to believe his clotting problem has all of a sudden disappeared. 1952. Tyson posted: 02.10.2016 - 6:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Considering the amount of credible sources have reported Vickers to the 14, I highly doubt it's bogus... 1953. Opie posted: 02.10.2016 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Considering the amount of credible sources have reported Vickers to the 14, I highly doubt it's bogus..." The media is not fool proof 1954. Tyson posted: 02.10.2016 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No but do you really think the AP, FOX, NBC, Motorsport, MRN and ESPN all got it wrong? Doubtful. Would be huge if they did, but I don't think so. 1955. Opie posted: 02.10.2016 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I'll believe it when it comes out of Tony Stewart's mouth. 1956. murb posted: 02.10.2016 - 9:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to Tom Jensen, it sounds like Vickers is only in the #14 for Daytona, and then Ty Dillon will do subsequent races after that. Makes sense, given Vickers' health situation. 1957. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.10.2016 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It sounds like Vickers is only in the #14 for Daytona, and then Ty Dillon will do subsequent races after that. Makes sense, given Vickers' health situation." Can't say I didn't expect that, but oh well. Austin will probably beat him in every race anyway. 1958. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.10.2016 - 9:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good for Vickers. Maybe one last shot at driving a Cup car and then he could go work for NBC. Let's just hope he doesn't get more bloodclots like last year, safety is priority #1 for him. 1959. Blue Palaski posted: 02.10.2016 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So the team saying it will be a future hall of famer was just a red herring? 1960. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.10.2016 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess so, unless they think that Ty Dillon or Brian Vickers are future Hall of Famers. 1961. racefangurl posted: 02.11.2016 - 12:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Jayski says Brian Vickers will be Tony Stewart's Daytona fill-in if medically cleared. 1962. Canadianfan posted: 02.11.2016 - 2:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well here is something interesting according to Bob Pockrass with the new charter system, teams are no longer allowed to start a 5th car even for rookies trying to get experience. So I guess Erik Jones will either be in a 2nd Furniture Row car or another BK Racing car if Gibbs does indeed want to run him to get experience. 1963. Nathan8848 posted: 02.11.2016 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I actually like this restart rule. Hopefully the line is near turn 3. However, it will probably be on the backstretch somewhere. 1964. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.11.2016 - 3:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, NASCAR just continues to be dug deeper and deeper into the ground. Announced today, we now have an "overtime line" for GWC restarts. What this means is that the drivers must pass this line for it to be an official race, if the caution comes out before it then they try it again, but if the caution comes out after it then the race ends under caution. Bold prediction: all four plate races end under caution this year spoiling potential great finishes due to this STUPID rule. 1965. Tyson posted: 02.11.2016 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's not an awful rule, and it is a step up from the G-W-C rule they tried, and failed miserably with at Talladega, but it could be better. I don't know why NASCAR can't adopt ARCA's G-W-C rule that fans have begged for. It's a simple rule where it guarantees a race to be finished under green. If ARCA can figure it out, why can't NASCAR? 1966. Nathan8848 posted: 02.11.2016 - 3:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I pay so little to ARCA. Daytona is the only race I watch tbh, what is their g-w-c rule? 1967. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.11.2016 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Here's how I would do it: Two laps. If the caution comes out before the white flag, two more laps. If the caution comes out again before the white flag, two more laps. Keep doing that until they finish the race under green. If the caution comes out AFTER the white flag at any time, do a restart with only ONE lap to go. Keep doing that until they finish the race under green. Not that hard, NASCAR. 1968. Tyson posted: 02.11.2016 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ARCA's G-W-C rule essentially guarantees get what they paid for - a finish under green. Unlimited G-W-C's, and if the caution comes out on the white flag lap, they do it over again, and get one lap to do it. If the caution comes out again, then it's repeated until the race finishes under green. 1969. Blue Palaski posted: 02.11.2016 - 4:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They already have an "overtime line", it's that one under the flagstand. 1970. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.11.2016 - 4:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or, how about if there's a crash on the final lap, they do it like they used to and race back to the caution. If it's 2 laps to go and there's a crash, they restart it. If it's on the final lap, the race ends under green. 1971. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.11.2016 - 4:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That wouldn't work because what happens if they crash right past the line on the white flag lap or someone runs out of gas and stalls right past the line. Can't let them race back with a car sitting there. 1972. NASCARLover22 posted: 02.11.2016 - 4:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stewart Haas now reporting that Ty Dillon will drive most of the Bass Pro Shops sponsored races, with Vickers in the car for possibly a few more races. 1973. murb posted: 02.11.2016 - 4:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Well here is something interesting according to Bob Pockrass with the new charter system, teams are no longer allowed to start a 5th car even for rookies trying to get experience." Totally makes sense. If the big teams are getting the good end of the stick on this charter deal, then they shouldn't be able to also fill up non-charter spots with extra cars. Honestly I like the GWC thing for the most part, mainly because I think it will (hopefully) get rid of some gray area. But I'm also admittedly someone who's never had a problem with races finishing under caution (at this point if I were running things I'd actually just totally get rid of GWCs for good, honestly), so I guess I understand why some of the people who like GWCs for the purpose of finishing under green hate it. 1974. dennyfan11 posted: 02.11.2016 - 4:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Very disappointed. They'll probably have it early on the track, like in Turn 1 or 2, ruining potential great finishes. It's inevitable this year will be bad. How bad is the question. 1975. Opie posted: 02.11.2016 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) This season will be a joke on many, many levels. 1976. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.11.2016 - 5:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Knowing NASCAR it'll probably be entering turn one. 1977. 18fan posted: 02.11.2016 - 5:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'd rather have a race under yellow at the advertised distance than have 3 or 4 GWCs to try to get a green flag finish and turn the finishing order into a total lottery (which the combination of the GWC and double file restarts does anyways). The only real change the line has is that it is easier to finish the race with just 1 GWC, which is not a bad thing at all. 1978. Driver X posted: 02.11.2016 - 5:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR continues to be a joke. Personally, I'd bring back "quickie yellows" and do away with Green-White-Checkered entirely. 1979. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.11.2016 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let me repeat post 1919: National Automotive Sport devoid of Common Sense And Racing 1980. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.11.2016 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, and what happens if the caution clock turns the 0 on the final lap? THAT would be fun to watch. 1981. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.11.2016 - 5:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't happen. Caution clock turns off with 20 to go. 1982. Windows Millennium Edition posted: 02.11.2016 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's my thoughts on all of this bullshit NASCAR is forcing down our throats this year: It's stupid. It sums it up perfectly. 1983. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchamp posted: 02.11.2016 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) As noted, Vince McMahon is currently on a 2015 WWE fourth quarter earnings conference call, and during the Q&A portion of the call Vince spoke about current WWE TV ratings. Vince explained that the company is not as worried about TV ratings as they once were, and he added that while WWE TV ratings might be down, they are not as down as other shows which air on the same networks as WWE programming. Vince said people just aren't watching as much TV as they used to, and while TV is still important to WWE, with all the social and digital content they now have, people are consuming content when they want to as opposed to when it airs on TV, which is very important to WWE. Vince noted WWE used to 'live and die' by TV ratings, but those days are gone, and we are in a new era of media. 1984. Speed_Demon posted: 02.11.2016 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) ^ No-one cares 1985. Thedupontman posted: 02.11.2016 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I have been a Big Race fan since the 90s, all I got to say about all the New Changes in NA$CAR in the last decade or so is IT's NA$CAR Playground. Yes I will still watch knowing good and Well the NA$CAR I grew up watching in now dead Thank goodness for YouTube I can relive Real Racing without so many Rules, and fake debris cautions. 1986. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchampion posted: 02.12.2016 - 7:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) I agree with you dupont man. NA$CAR is dead. 1987. Gordon7timeWinstonCupchampion posted: 02.12.2016 - 7:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) 1984, you obvious cared enough to read it and reply to it. 1988. Blue Palaski posted: 02.12.2016 - 9:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) G7TC - Who are you kidding? We all know "dupontman" was you, it's the same crap that you write in every one of your posts. Talking about NA$CAR, real racing, all the rule changes, you think we're dumb enough to not figure out you are just agreeing with yourself? 1989. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.12.2016 - 10:26 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Can we just ban Gordon7timechamp already? The amount of pure idiocy he has brought to these boards in the past few weeks is probably worse than anyone else since I've been a poster here, and I remember the days of Mister83. Seriously, just ban this guy. 1990. Mac posted: 02.12.2016 - 12:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big Mac Fan here. For 2016, I think I'm going to shorten my name to just Mac. 1991. Big Mac Fan posted: 02.12.2016 - 12:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or...mabye not. I'll have something by tomorrow though. 1992. Opie posted: 02.12.2016 - 12:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ isn't there a poster on here who already goes by Mac? 1993. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.12.2016 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought you were going to be Mavericksfan or something like that 1994. racefangurl posted: 02.12.2016 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Tomorrow is the Sprint Unlimited, so it seems we won't need to comment here after today. We can go comment on that page instead. The off season is over, as they have Unlimited practice today. 1995. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.12.2016 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Daytona 500 Entry List has FINALLY been released, 44 cars are entered. Notables include: 14- Vickers 26- Richardson, Jr. 30- Wise 35- Gilliland 40- Sorenson 59- McDowell 83- Waltrip 93- DiBenedetto 95- T. Dillon The following drivers do not have charters and have to race their way in: 21- Blaney 26- Richardson, Jr. 30- Wise 35- Gilliland 40- Sorenson 59- McDowell 93- DiBenedetto 98- Whitt 1996. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.12.2016 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If I had to guess right now, I'd say that probably Wise, Whitt, Richardson, and McDowell will probably go home. 1997. racefangurl posted: 02.12.2016 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My go-homer picks are Wise, Richardson, McDowell and either Sorenson or DiBenedetto. 1998. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.12.2016 - 4:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We were so close to 2000 comments on this page before the Shootout page came up. 1999. Alex posted: 02.12.2016 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't worry. We'll get there ;) 2000. RaceFanX posted: 02.12.2016 - 5:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2015 is racing history, let's write some more in 2016... 2001. MAR posted: 02.12.2016 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 4 that get in Blaney and McDowell on speed Sorenson and Dibenedetto race in. 2002. NASCARLover22 posted: 02.12.2016 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My prediction of the four that miss the race: Gilliland, Whitt, Richardson Jr., and Sorenson. 2003. BK#23 (formally JHN#8) posted: 02.12.2016 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 4 I got missing right now are 30, 26, 40, and 98. It'll be between the 35 and 40 for the last transfer spot I think, assuming they are in the same duel. Once I see the duel lineups, I'll see on the last 2. Should easily be the 21 and 59 making it in on speed. I just really hope the 93 makes it. 2004. Tyson posted: 02.12.2016 - 8:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Whitt and Wise are the only ones I'm pretty sure won't make it. I think all six of the others will have a decent shot. 2005. Braindead Zombie posted: 02.12.2016 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I think even Whitt has a chance. I mean Mike Wallace raced his way in last year in a Premium car. 2006. Windows Millennium Edition posted: 02.26.2016 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) A few non-Chase points standings errors: Kevin Harvick should have 1321 points Martin Truex Jr. should have 1165 points Jeff Gordon should have 1110 points Kyle Busch should have 867 points 2007. Ryan posted: 05.14.2016 - 1:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Final NASCAR race for Sam Hornish, Jr. 2008. Braindead Zombie posted: 07.20.2016 - 5:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Last race for Jeff Gordon until the 2016 Brickyard 400. 2009. Nope posted: 08.07.2016 - 12:32 am Rate this comment: (4) (4) 2015, the year NASCAR breathed it's last breath as a legitimate sport. You gotta be f**king kidding me, miss 11 races and still win the "championship"? This is a joke. An absolute, total, complete, unfunny joke. 2016 - I've started finding baseball games, yes baseball to be more interesting than NASCRAP. At least they don't change the rules from game to game to game to manufacture drama. You newbie, fly-by-night Kyle Busch and JGR fanboys can scream and squeal and try to justify this bullshit however you want, but the thousands of empty seats at EVERY racetrack EVERY week tell the whole story. Hopefully in a year or two NASCAR will begin a new chapter, like Chapter 11 or 13. 2010. Maverick19 posted: 11.23.2016 - 6:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2015 Sprint Cup Series Standings with 1983-2003 CART Points System 1. Kevin Harvick- 394 2. Joey Logano- 362 (-32) 3. Dale Earnhardt, Jr.- 273 (-121) 4. Jimmie Johnson- 255 (-139) 5. Matt Kenseth- 237 (-157) 6. Brad Keselowski- 234 (-160) 7. Denny Hamlin- 231 (-163) 8. Kyle Busch- 221 (-173) 9. Martin Truex, Jr.- 197 (-197) 10. Kurt Busch- 195 (-199) 11. Jeff Gordon- 157 (-237) 12. Carl Edwards- 152 (-242) 13. Ryan Newman- 118 (-276) 14. Jamie McMurray- 97 (-297) 15. Kasey Kahne- 79 (-315) 16. Clint Bowyer- 76 (-318) 17. Kyle Larson- 64 (-330) 18. Aric Almirola- 51 (-343) 19. Paul Menard- 50 (-344) 20. Greg Biffle- 43 (-351) 21. Austin Dillon- 34 (-360) 22. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.- 24 (-370) 23. A.J. Allmendinger- 24 (-370) 24. Ryan Blaney- 19 (-375) 25. Tony Stewart- 18 (-376) 26. Sam Hornish, Jr.- 16 (-378) 27. David Ragan- 11 (-383) 28. Casey Mears- 10 (-384) 29. Danica Patrick- 10 (-384) 30. Trevor Bayne- 8 (-386) 31. Justin Allgaier- 7 (-387) 32. Brett Moffitt- 5 (-389) 33. Josh Wise- 3 (-391) 34. David Gilliland- 2 (-392) 35. Brian Scott- 1 (-393) 36. Erik Jones- 1 (-393) All other drivers failed to score points. 2011. Mannoroth posted: 11.25.2016 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who would win the championship, if the old Chase for the Cup was still in place? 2015: 1. Carl Edwards 2368 - 2. Joey Logano 2360 8 3. Martin Truex Jr. 2349 19 4. Kevin Harvick 2348 20 5. Brad Keselowski 2347 21 6. Kurt Busch 2333 35 7. Denny Hamlin 2327 41 8. Jimmie Johnson 2315 53 9. Ryan Newman 2314 54 10. Dale Earnhardt Jr. 2310 58 11. Jamie McMurray 2295 73 12. Matt Kenseth 2234 134 2012. chevyfan98 posted: 01.01.2017 - 1:18 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) @1463- Hate to break it to you, me from one year ago, but... yeah... 2013. RaceFanX posted: 02.18.2017 - 9:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon was given the exact #24 Chevrolet he raced in this one by Rick Hendrick as a going away present. 2014. DaleSr3Fan posted: 07.06.2017 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) 110, 88&4 Fan, you are an idiot. 2015. chevyfan98 (88&4Fan) posted: 07.06.2017 - 1:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^You do realize that comment was (a) from nearly two years ago, and (b) not something that was supposed to be taken seriously, right? 2016. kup posted: 11.02.2017 - 11:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) UPS: universal points system. Driver's UPoints = Miles / Aver.Finish 2015 UPS: # Driver UPts = Miles / AF 1 Kevin Harvick 1535 = 13357 / 8.7 2 Joey Logano 1485 = 13665 / 9.2 3 Brad Keselowski 1234 = 13692 / 11.1 4 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 1205 = 13613 / 11.3 5 Kurt Busch 1114 = 12368 / 11,1 6 Martin Truex, Jr. 1108 = 13514 / 12.2 7 Jimmie Johnson 1058 = 13539 / 12.8 8 Ryan Newman 1016 = 13715 / 13.5 9 Denny Hamlin 1000 = 13600 / 13.6 10 Jeff Gordon 990 = 13566 / 13.7 11 Carl Edwards 964 = 13502 / 14.0 xx Kyle Busch 852 = 09200 / 10.8 - 3rd best Aver.Finish TOTAL: UPS! 15 seasons 2001-2015: J.Gordon 5 in: 01, 04, 07, 09, 14. C.Edwards 2 in: 08, 11. J.Johnson 2 in: 06, 13. K.Harvick 2 in: 10, 15 M.Martin 1 in: 02. M.Kenseth 1 in: 03. T.Stewart 1 in: 05. B.Keselowski 1 in: 12. 2017. kup posted: 11.16.2017 - 4:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TOTAL: UPS! 67 years 1949-2015: Dale Earnhardt 8 in: '80, '86, '87, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95. Richard Petty 7 in: '63, '64, '67, '71, '72, '75, '79. Jeff Gordon 6 in: '98, '01, '04, '07, '09, '14. Lee Petty 5 in: '50, '52, '54, '58, '59. David Pearson 4 in: '66, '68, '69, '76. Cale Yarborough 3 in: '74, '77, '78. Bobby Allison 3 in: '81, '82, '83. Mark Martin 3 in: '90, '97, '02. Buck Baker 2 in: '56, '57. Rex White 2 in: '60, '61. Terry Labonte 2 in: '84, '96. Carl Edwards 2 in: '08, '11. Jimmie Johnson 2 in: '06, '13. Kevin Harvick 2 in: '10, '15. Bill Blair 1 in: '49. Fonty Flock 1 in: '51. Herb Thomas 1 in: '53. Tim Flock 1 in: '55. Joe Weatherly 1 in: '62. Ned Jarrett 1 in: '65. Bobby Isaac 1 in: '70. Benny Parsons 1 in: '73. Darrell Waltrip 1 in: '85. Bill Elliott 1 in: '88. Alan Kulwicki 1 in: '92. Dale Jarrett 1 in: '99. Bobby Labonte 1 in: '00. Matt Kenseth 1 in: '03. Tony Stewart 1 in: '05. Brad Keselowski 1 in: '12. 2018. Other Anthony posted: 07.30.2018 - 4:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) If Kyle Busch had finished dead last in the first eleven consecutive races instead of missing them, guess what? He'd still have won the championship. Any argument that he is undeserving isn't just stupid, it's objectively, factually FALSE. Period. There is NO possible outcome of the races he missed that would have otherwise changed the outcome at the end of the season. He's a champion whether any of you like it or not. If it was so "unfair" for Kyle to be given a Chase waiver, maybe the rest of the field should have stepped it up enough that he wouldn't have easily scored enough points to be in the top 30 after he'd been back for only 11 races when everybody else had run 22. If any of the other top teams were more "deserving," then maybe they shouldn't have let the 18 bunch win 4 races in a 5-race stretch after Kyle came back in the summer. That's a championship-caliber year any way you slice it. P.S., I hate the guy. I just don't let that cloud my perception of facts. 2019. Anonymous posted: 07.30.2018 - 7:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You just don't see facts at all. FACT is that, under no circumstances, should that have been eligible for the championship. 2020. Mannoroth posted: 07.30.2018 - 7:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 2018. Yes, that's one extreme, but Kyle would still win the title, if Harvick won 35 races and finished 2nd to him at Homestead. Anyway, it wasn't as easy to get into top 30 as it might looked... Like I said before, 2 bad finishes in the last 2 races in the regular season and Kyle would miss the Chase. Why? Because he officially made the Chase after the next to last race at Darlington (finished 7th), not earlier despite the good results from summer. And the fact that Kyle isn't exactly likeable person also has something to do with it, especially on The Spotter's Stand forum... 2021. Turn 4 posted: 08.18.2018 - 4:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) First time a driver won a cup championship without completing the entire schedule since 1971. 2022. Danish Pie posted: 10.10.2018 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To date, the last race not named the Daytona 500 to have multiple cars attempt to qualify that miss the field. In other words, in the 99 non-Great American Races since the max field size was dropped to 40, there has yet to be 42 cars that are set to make a qualifying lap. Even of the 3 Daytona 500's in that stretch, the 2018 running had no non-qualifiers. So 100 of 102 races since the field shrink have had one or zero DNQ's. 2023. Anonymous posted: 10.10.2018 - 1:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah but at least with the shorter fields there are WAY MORE competitive teams than ever before! Oh, wait.. 2024. Nascardude posted: 11.17.2018 - 3:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 41st Aric Almirola 42nd Casey Mears 43rd Clint Bowyer These three are the last people ever to finish 41st, 42nd, 43rd in a Nascar Monster Energy (then known as Sprint Cup) series race 2025. Maverick19 posted: 11.19.2018 - 2:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since playoff drivers did not get any bonus points from leading laps or winning, the following totals should be correct for the non-playoff standings: Kevin Harvick 1321 Martin Truex, Jr. 1165 Jeff Gordon 1110 Kyle Busch 867 2026. Sector posted: 02.03.2020 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Earlier in the season Kyle Busch only ran the season opener at Daytona; At Daytona Kyle was involved in a horrific crash that led to a leg injury and hospitalized for about 3 months. Kyle Busch returned at the All-Star race event at Charlotte and wounded up with a 6th place finish, surviving the night. Kyle will then up the challenge by participating in the longest event of the year at the World/Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte, when he finished 11th and survived the night. It would take him a month after to score his first win at a road course at Sonoma. Then after Sonoma and Daytona, Kyle would enter a hot streak and win 3 consecutive races at Kentucky, New Hampshire and Indianapolis. He would not win again until the championship finale race at Homestead, making an incredible comeback story of a championship in 2015. 2027. SweetRich posted: 02.29.2020 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The commentators for the race were Rick Allen, Jeff Burton and Steve Letarte. The pit road reporters were Dave Burns, Mike Massaro, Marty Snider and Kelli Stavast. 2028. Rich posted: 09.25.2020 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rick Allen, Jeff Burton and Steve Letarte were the commentators. Marty Snider, Mike Massaro, Dave Burns and Kelli Stavast were the pit road reporters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: