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  1.   1995z71 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 7:37 pm
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Last race (supposedly) for Tony Stewart, Brian Scott, and Tommy Baldwin
Racing.

Few days after announcing he plans to run full time next year Gary
Gaulding DNQs


  2.   Tyson posted:
  11.18.2016 - 7:44 pm
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Greg Biffle sent out an interesting tweet prior to qualifying. Might be
nothing, but with his plans up in the air, who knows?

@gbiffle: Last qualifying run hopefully it's a good one!!!!


  3.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 7:45 pm
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This is it! After 9 months of tense battling, the time has come to
determine a champion!

At the end of these laps, a champion will be crowned!

Notable lasts:
- Last race for Brian Scott
- Last race for TBR
- Last race for Tony Stewart
- Last race for HScott Motorsports
- LAST SPRINT CUP RACE


  4.   02Justin10 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 7:46 pm
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**Using my Danica fanboy impression.**

Alright. Danica managed to go out twice and pick up enough to qualify
30th. Which means she has a nice long run car and will place top 20,
maybe even top 15 on Sunday. But the problem is still her crew chief who
fails to provide her with racey cars week in and week out. Also, tracks
like Homestead are kind of difficult for her since it is multiple lanes
and Danica can never find the right line. And she never runs high
because I guess the wall would be too close to her.

But even with all that said I'm looking forward to a top 20 at least!
But we all know that pesky crew chief and subpar pit crew will probably
sabotage her 19th place and she will have to settle for 22nd. Which will
never, ever satisfy anyone!


  5.   Tyson posted:
  11.18.2016 - 7:52 pm
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Uhhhhh HScott hasn't made any announcements about shutting down. I still
think there's a chance they at least run one car next year.


  6.   1995z71 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 8:07 pm
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@5 idk, i doubt it.

Totally left out the last Sprint Cup race!


  7.   Damon posted:
  11.18.2016 - 8:11 pm
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Last race for Stewart Haas with Chevy


  8.   joey2448 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 8:17 pm
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Championship contender Jimmie Johnson survived a scare in the first
round of qualifying when his first run wasn't fast enough to be in the
top 24. He went out on a second run in the last two minutes, but wasn't
able to complete a fast lap due to a spin by Landon Cassill that brought
the session to a halt with 57 seconds remaining. With heat in the tires
and engine, it looked bleak for Johnson to advance into the top 24 and
the second round, but luckily, he managed to get around to start a lap
in the final seconds and somehow found enough speed to advance to the
second round, where he qualified the 48 car in 14th.


  9.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.18.2016 - 8:21 pm
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NASCAR's cellular phone sponsorship era that began with the NEXTEL Cup
era in 2004 and became the Sprint Cup in 2008 comes to an end.

...Anyone else hoping this change opens it up for more cell phone
companies to start sponsoring NASCAR teams again?


  10.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 8:28 pm
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Thanks for the memories Tony! (And Brian Scott and TBR... I didn't forget)

When I get home I'll write my whole preview.


  11.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.18.2016 - 8:40 pm
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These last two races have been pretty discouraging after Danica finally
showed the consistency to run at a fairly high level this entire season.
She's always had the good results but inconsistency with how she would
run from week to week.


  12.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.18.2016 - 8:56 pm
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Okay as promised here is my rundown of the Cup finale:

Jimmie Johnson: A question mark, not really sure what to expect from
them. Have gotten hot at the right times during the Chase but have still
been unpredictable. Also a bit of an unknown with this being only the
second time he's went into Homestead where he had a good chance but has
to sweat for it (2010, where he did finish 2nd), and the first time he's
had a chance under this format.

Joey Logano: Unlike the 48, have been very consistent throughout both
the season and the Chase, with enough speed to lead a reasonable amount
of laps and wins. Plus, they have the experience of two years ago to
help them as well as motivate them. Have a very good shot at it.

Carl Edwards: Has also been consistently decent for the most part, but
outside of a couple of flourishes haven't had the speed of the others.
Does have probably the best Homestead record though, but I believe they
will need to some outside circumstances to help them if they are going
to win. Would definitely like to see him win the most though.

Kyle Busch: The smart money is on him. Obviously is coming in with the
experience of last year, plus has been one of the fastest cars
throughout the season, only question marks are his focus which can still
be spotty at times (though obviously much improved), and they haven't
won since Indy. Still have a great shot though.

Now my predictions: For the race, I'm going to take a step on the wild
side and pick Newman to get his first win in over three years on the day
of Tony Stewart's last race, and he will then apologize to himself for
the Richmond incident. As for the title:

Edwards: 12th
Johnson: 6th
Busch: 5th
And to finish 2nd in the race and win his first Sprint Cup Kroger
Monster Energy title, I pick Joey Logano to win. I think it is his time.
And I will hate every second of it. No offense to those who like him.


  13.   Maverick posted:
  11.18.2016 - 9:33 pm
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"@gbiffle: Last qualifying run hopefully it's a good one!!!!"

Could that imply that he's going to retire?


  14.   rm posted:
  11.18.2016 - 9:37 pm
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I'll go with everyone's reading too much into Biffle's tweet and he's
just talking about the last qual run of the season.


  15.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 9:38 pm
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I really think Biffle said that because it's the last race of the year,
not because he's leaving or retiring.


  16.   Roush Fenway Forever posted:
  11.18.2016 - 10:16 pm
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50/50 chance he's leaving only thing I heard was Buescher and Loves
travel stop going to the #16 but it really wasn't a legit racing forum


  17.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.18.2016 - 10:33 pm
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All right... so this is how it ends.

As bad of a year as its been in general, the 2016 NASCAR season (besides
Junior's injury) has been amazing. Great racing, classic finishes, and
while its been mostly the same guys winning, we did see a first time
winner with Kyle Larson, and several other drivers look to be joining
him on the winners list shortly. But perhaps the best part of the season
that has been overlooked in my opinion: hardly any drama. After the
controversies of the last two chases, its been quite refreshing to have
a season where we don't have to deal with any of that. I've found myself
gaining respect back for pretty much every driver I used to hate, not to
the point where I'll ever like them, but I'm fine with them winning as
long as its not a dirty win.

As for the race... I'm pulling for Jimmie to get #7, however I think
Kyle Busch will win back to back championships. And even though I was
wrong tonight, I'm standing by my prediction that the winner will be the
champion in this race.


  18.   JSPorts posted:
  11.18.2016 - 10:36 pm
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chevyfan98, don't forget Chris Buescher's first win as well! And I
agree, I want Johnson to win but Kyle will probably win it.


  19.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  11.18.2016 - 10:50 pm
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Disappointed TBR is hanging it up, especially after having dedent runs
this year with Regan.
Hope Smith can find a ride.
Likely the 46 team could be in jeopardy for HScott since they don't have
a charter.
Cool to see CS-LFR expanding to a second car though.
Could be Ragan's last race with BK.
Rumors are Biff is moving to JTG Daugherty.
Go FAS 32 could be up in the air as well.
Many unknowns heading into the offseason


  20.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  11.18.2016 - 10:52 pm
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and
GO SMOKE!


  21.   JSPorts posted:
  11.18.2016 - 10:57 pm
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I don't think it'll happen, but it would be incredible to see Stewart
win on Sunday. That would be a great way to cap off his career.


  22.   Sector posted:
  11.18.2016 - 11:50 pm
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Here is my outlook:

Kyle Busch- While I think it's amazing how much of a 90 degree turn he's
had since the days of messing up in every way shape or form during the
Chase, he became Mr Consistency during the 10 race Chase the past 4
years (minus 2014). Kyle Busch's raw talent is no question and it's
about time he's in championship form. He's so much better than the likes
of Edwards/Hamlin/Earnhardt Jr/Newman/etc and needed a championship for
his resume, and he's done just that. Question is, how many more can he
collect?

Carl Edwards- Simple: 2011 Redemption. He so deserves ONE title and ONE
alone. After that he's done in my opinion. Despite being the 3rd in
terms of best season of the final 4, if he can win it, I'll be cheering
my ass off.

Joey Logano- While it seems Joey Logano is on pace with scoring the most
points for the THIRD consecutive season, he's definitely going to win a
championship in the future, no question about it. We've entered the Joey
Logano/Brad Keselowski/Kyle Busch era of NASCAR now. While I would be
perfectly okay with him winning it all, I'd rather see Carl since this
may be his last chance to win it himself.

Jimmie Johnson- No. Have a better season next year and then win one. I
don't want his 7th to be this weak in average finishes. 14.3 with one to
go? Please.

1) Carl Edwards
2) Joey Logano
3) Kyle Busch
4) Jimmie Johnson

In that order of who I want to win, but as far as who I'm rooting
against...just Johnson.

I expect a surprise winner. Kevin Harvick, Brad Keselowski, Chase
Elliott and Martin Truex Jr will be front runners. Brad will fade
mid-race in the teens as recent weeks, Kevin will dominate first half
then fade to the lower top 10. Chase will run strong and finish top 5.
Martin Truex will score a victory or finish second to Joey Logano to end
the season with a SIX WAY TIE for the most wins this season with 4.
That's incredible.


  23.   Maverick posted:
  11.18.2016 - 11:53 pm
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GO CARL


  24.   racefangurl posted:
  11.19.2016 - 12:36 am
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11, Danica's boyfriends qualified better than her. Btw, so did his
teammates. I think she'll finish in the 30's unless there's a lot of
attrition or she's on the right side of fuel mileage or strategy.


  25.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:12 am
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"Danica's boyfriends"

Uhh... is there something we don't know about?


  26.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:18 am
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As far as who I'm cheering for, like I said I hope Jimmie wins but I
wouldn't have any major problems with anyone else, regardless of how I
feel about Kyle and Joey, they've earned it this year. So this would be
the order I'm hoping for:

1. Jimmie Johnson
2. Carl Edwards
3. Kyle Busch
4. Joey Logano


As far as who is most deserving:

1. Kyle Busch
2. Joey Logano
3. Carl Edwards
4. Jimmie Johnson


And who I think will win:

1. Kyle Busch
2. Carl Edwards
3. Jimmie Johnson
4. Joey Logano


  27.   Captain51 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 8:02 am
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To be honest, either of these 4 drivers has their own kind of feel good
story if they are able to win

-Jimmie Johnson would win his record-tying 7th Cup championship

-Kyle Busch would win his second championship. There are those that say
his championship wasn't "valid" because he didn't run the full season.
Either way, this would make him a 2x champion

-Carl Edwards would become a Cup champion. After having championship
"worthy" seasons in 2008 and 2011, can he win his first Cup champion?

and last but not least,

-Joey Logano. "the best thing since sliced bread". Looked like a flop
between 2010 and 2012. Has always seemed to find some sort of scrutiny
for his behavior/attitude. Signed with Penske in 2013. Took a little
over a year, but we saw the Joey Logano we were supposed to when he
first made it to the Cup series. In my opinion, he's shown a massive
improvement from a maturity standpoint. If he finishes ahead of the
other three, Joey Logano will be a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champion.


  28.   that e-guy posted:
  11.19.2016 - 9:10 am
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I still stand by prediction at the beginning of the year that Edwards
will win.


  29.   Maverick posted:
  11.19.2016 - 9:30 am
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As noted above, I'm going to be pulling so hard for Carl because after
2008 and 2011, I think it'd be a crime if he doesn't have a championship
to his name. He started off hot in 2016, but he's faded and now found
some speed again. He totally doesn't deserve the title this year, but
since his window is closing fast, I really want to see him win one.


  30.   Damon posted:
  11.19.2016 - 9:48 am
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"As for the race... I'm pulling for Jimmie to get #7, however I think
Kyle Busch will win back to back championships."


This is where I'm at, too.



  31.   Tyson posted:
  11.19.2016 - 10:13 am
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@26 - just curious why you think Kyle's more deserving than Joey.

I think they've both been the most consistent in the Chase, but Joey has
two Chase wins and is ahead of him in regular season points.


  32.   Baker posted:
  11.19.2016 - 10:41 am
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Chances to bring home the title IMO:

65% Carl Edwards - I just think it is his time and he's run very well here.

25% Jimmie Johnson - Hendrick driver looking for #7 you know NASCAR is
salivating over this one.

7% Kyle Busch - He's been here and done it but this time around he's up
against Hendrick and a teammate in equal equipment who runs well at
Homestead

3% Joey Logano - I just don't think he is ready to make a championship
move. The win last week fell into his lap. I would like to see it happen
I just think the other 3 drivers are more willing to be aggressive when
they need to and I feel they just want it more.


  33.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.19.2016 - 10:57 am
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Matt DiBenedetto and BK Racing changed the number of their normal #93
Toyota Camry to #49 for this race as part of a one-off sponsorship from
the NASCAR Heat Evolution video game. The price of the game was just
lowered from $59.99 to $49.99 and they wanted a #49 car to promote the
change.


  34.   Stan posted:
  11.19.2016 - 11:29 am
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Speaking of NASCAR Heat Evolution, is that game any good? I don't have a
PS4 or an XBOX One.

I've seen some reviews online, and they've been mixed.

I was thinking of getting NASCAR '15 for the PS3 for Christmas.


  35.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.19.2016 - 11:34 am
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No, just like any other modern NASCAR game. If you want to try a good
NASCAR game, pick NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. That game is nearly 14
years old, but the most realistic of them all. Plus all those great mods
(series, tracks, cars, templates, setups), incredible.
All those modern games are just for kids who can't even brake into the
corners on oval, let alone on the road course...


  36.   Allen L. posted:
  11.19.2016 - 11:34 am
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Anyone find it interesting that Kevin Harvick is at peace with being
eliminated early? I think someone told him to butt out early because
Jimmie Johnson won at Martinsville. It just seems odd to me as aa fan of
Harvick, no way he could be that happy. Either he's getting ready for
the Ford relationship or just getting out of the way for JJ. It seems
like every time they're battling for wins, Harvick chokes and JJ comes
away with the win. Maybe I'm just going crazy haha


  37.   Stan posted:
  11.19.2016 - 11:50 am
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@35

How much does NASCAR Racing 2003 Season cost? I have been contemplating
getting that game for the longest time. I've heard nothing but great
things about that game with the mods and stuff.


  38.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 12:29 pm
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Going by the recent trend in sports Jimmie Johnson is set to make
history tomorrow as much as I disliked the guy growing up I'm rooting
for him to win championship #7.

Second pick of of course Kyle Busch
Third pick Joey Logano
Least favorite pick Carl Edwards


  39.   Canadianfan posted:
  11.19.2016 - 1:03 pm
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Check your local library. I've seen NR2003 and other rare PC games
there. Just check it out download it and then get the no CD patch and
you're good to go. Myself I purchased it back in February 2003 when it
first came out. I had no idea it would be the last game for them.


  40.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.19.2016 - 1:57 pm
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Is Iracing a pretty good sim?


  41.   Ak47 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 2:00 pm
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Anyone else want Johnson to lose simply because of the season he's had?
I know NASCAR doesn't care about logic anymore, but an 11-top 5, 16-top
10 champion would be a total travesty. Harvick, Keselowski, Busch,
Logano, Hamlin, and Truex were light-years better than Johnson in 2016.


  42.   Damon posted:
  11.19.2016 - 2:48 pm
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"Anyone else want Johnson to lose simply because of the season he's had?
I know NASCAR doesn't care about logic anymore, but an 11-top 5, 16-top
10 champion would be a total travesty."


Nah, Tony Stewart's 2011 season pre-Chase was poor, yet because of his 5
wins in the 10 Chase races nobody looks at his 9 top 5's and 19 top 10's
for the entire season because it's Stewart. If Jimmie can outrun Logano
and two Gibbs cars to win the title, so be it.


  43.   racefangurl posted:
  11.19.2016 - 2:57 pm
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25, *boyfriend's (boyfriend has) It was the hour.


  44.   Maverick posted:
  11.19.2016 - 3:08 pm
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"Anyone else want Johnson to lose simply because of the season he's had?
I know NASCAR doesn't care about logic anymore, but an 11-top 5, 16-top
10 champion would be a total travesty."


"Nah, Tony Stewart's 2011 season pre-Chase was poor, yet because of his
5 wins in the 10 Chase races nobody looks at his 9 top 5's and 19 top
10's for the entire season because it's Stewart. If Jimmie can outrun
Logano and two Gibbs cars to win the title, so be it."

No one looks except for me, which is why I'm still adamant on the fact
that Edwards should've won the title that year, even as impressive as
Stewart's run was.

And yes, I would like to see Johnson win #7, but not this year. 4 wins
is nice, but 10 top 5's, 15 top 10's, and a 14th place average finish
are pathetic stats for a "champion."


  45.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 4:04 pm
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"just curious why you think Kyle's more deserving than Joey."

Kyle has been pretty substantially better than any of the other three
finalists this year. He has the most wins, he's been by far the most
dominant of the four, and if not for some bad luck in a bunch of races
early in the summer he'd be right in the mix for the full-season points.
The only drivers I think have been better than him this year are Harvick
and Truex.


  46.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:07 pm
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Extremely bold prediction for The 2017 Cup season

Jimmie Johnson will be shut out of victory lane for the 1st time ever in
his 16 year cup career.


  47.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:11 pm
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"Extremely bold prediction for The 2017 Cup season

Jimmie Johnson will be shut out of victory lane for the 1st time ever in
his 16 year cup career"

John Lennon would approve of this comment.


  48.   Sean posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:12 pm
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I wouldn't be surprised. He hasn't run as well as he has looked and
Hendrick is going to take a hit considering the rest of the team is not
too great lately so the #48 probably won't get as good setup tips from
the other three cars. I still wouldn't quite predict that.

I would say Brad Keselowski has had the most impressive season
considering I don't think the Penske cars have had nearly the speed of
the Gibbs, Stewart-Haas, or even Hendrick cars (except on plate tracks)
yet he is still tied for the most wins and one of the most consistent.

I feel I can't really pick any of the JGR cars since they're behind both
Penske cars in points and the Penske cars are slower. Truex in
particular has benefited too much from cheating this season, and after
Pearn's multiple failed inspections in a row, suddenly Truex isn't as
fast as he was earlier in the season. Harvick's had a consistent season
and has had the fastest cars as well I believe, which is impressive
since the rest of the team has done very little in the second half of
the season, but something feels a tad lacking with the 4 this year, but
he would still be a good argument.


  49.   Sean posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:14 pm
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"John Lennon would approve of this comment."

??? What? Is that an "Imagine" reference? I don't get it.


  50.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:31 pm
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Yes it was an Imagine reference. Although I probably should have said he
would be "proud" of that comment instead of "approve". Sorry for the
confusion, my bad.


  51.   JSPorts posted:
  11.19.2016 - 7:58 pm
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Race/championship predictions:
Race:
1st: Ryan Newman
2nd: Martin Truex Jr
3rd: Chase Elliott
4th: Carl Edwards
5th: Jimmie Johnson
6th: Joey Logano
7th: AJ Allmendinger
8th: Matt Kenseth
9th: Denny Hamlin
10th: Brad Keselowski
Championship:
1st: Carl Edwards
2nd: Jimmie Johnson
3rd: Joey Logano
4th: Kyle Busch
Ryan Newman will stun the field and win at Homestead. Tony Stewart will
finish 19th in his final start, while Brian Scott will finish 27th in
his last race. Although this will be the first time a Championship 4
driver hasn't won the final race, they will finish as follows:
Edwards-4th, Johnson-5th, Logano-6th, Busch-13th. That will be good
enough to (FINALLY) give Carl Edwards his 1st championship.


  52.   Lucstar88 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 8:01 pm
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So the 14 team had no tires, so i don't think pitting would've helped
for them.


  53.   Lucstar88 posted:
  11.19.2016 - 8:03 pm
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Wrong page, oops.

My honest prediction is Jimmie wins.
I would love to see the 48 win, him or the 19.
Likely will get the 18/22 lol


  54.   Sector posted:
  11.19.2016 - 8:16 pm
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"Harvick's had a consistent season and has had the fastest cars as well
I believe, which is impressive since the rest of the team has done very
little in the second half of the season, but something feels a tad
lacking with the 4 this year, but he would still be a good argument."

I think it may be a combination of the focus on switching to Ford or
Hendrick has simply let them loose a little and not giving them great
equipments anymore as they did early on and previous years. Kevin is no
longer in dominate fashion.

I find it really odd reading through that people think Joey Logano's
season isn't that great. He scored the most points only behind Kevin
Harvick (three years in a row right now). He has the third most Top 5's
(15, behind Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick). Second most Top 10's (25,
behind Kevin Harvick). He is one win SHY of tying FIVE other drivers for
the most win at 4. Second best average finish behind Kevin Harvick, and
definitely the third best average start in qualifying trim.

I honestly think Joey and Kevin are still just as much of a threat as
they were last year, only difference is that they aren't as strong as
they were in 2015.

On paper, this is easily Kyle Busch's best 'put together' season. 17 Top
5 and 24 Top 10 are his career high (Had 17 Top 10 in 2008 also, however
he could easily make that 18 after Homestead).


  55.   Tyson posted:
  11.19.2016 - 11:41 pm
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Greg Biffle sent out yet another cryptic tweet. I think he's just trying
to mess with people at this point.

When a fan asked if this is his last race of the season, with Roush or
last race ever, he replied "we will have to see."


  56.   someone posted:
  11.20.2016 - 1:29 am
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Well, obviously I'm rooting hard for Carl Edwards; especially
considering the recent discussion that this could very well be his last
shot at a championship.

I will say that math is (kind of) on Carl's side for the championship!
2013 points position: 13th (of course he WOULD be the 13th placer of the
2013 chase -_-)
2014 points position: 9th (four positions better than previous)
2015 points position: 5th (four positions better than previous)
2016 points position: 1st because that would be four positions better
than 2015 :)

But on a serious note, Carl's results during the chase may not be up to
par with Busch, Johnson, and Logano, (somewhat due to bad luck at
Charlotte, Martinsville, and Phoenix (?)) but if you look at the tracks
he has actually been competitive at during the chase (Kansas and Texas),
they are the 1.5 mile tracks similar to Homestead; so I wouldn't write
him off just yet based on chase performance.


  57.   120 years of racing automobiles posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:53 am
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Yep... NASCAR think's JJ's 7th title will save their ratings, but it can
never change two things. It can't change the fact that half of
Homestead's seats are filled by the tarp family. And it can't change
that 6 original Chase titles + 1 current chase title = 67 solid races,
giving the top guys a pass on round 1. It takes two old style titles to
put that many races together. Petty put together about 250 for his 7,
Earnhardt 210 for his. Yarborough and Waltrip put 90, and Gordon 125.


  58.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 am
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There's a reason some people call JJ "one of the weakest champions of
all time". Sure, he and other Chase champions was forced to race
differently because of the Chase, but as far as other drivers are
concerned, only JJ doesn't care much about the regular season. It may
look like just a coincidence, but that is Tony Stewart's case of perfect
Chase in 2011. JJ does it almost every time...


  59.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:50 am
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#58

Earnhardt and Petty had to fight all year to win their championships,
Johnson only had to for 10 races


  60.   484evs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:09 am
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Oh you guys, always looking for a way to discredit Jimmie's titles
Ok so for the first six he still had to run consistent through the
entire regular season to make the chase, look at all the drivers that
were unable to do that certain years great drivers such as Matt Kenseth
or Kyle Busch they missed the post season so it obviously wasn't easy
Now with this new format you HAVE TO WIN A RACE. Jimmie showed just how
difficult that can be throughout this past summer winning is NOT EASY.
And if you don't win a race you have to be even more consistent to make
the top 16
I don't know what it is that makes everyone so quick to say "oh those
championships don't mean the same" Jimmie has taken what he's been given
and made the most of the opportunities and it hasn't been easy. There's
a reason you hear mostly all of the NASCAR garage praising Jimmie bc
they know first hand just how difficult what he's done has been


  61.   JSPorts posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:33 am
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"JJ doesn't care much about the regular season"

Yeah, except for the part where he has 51 wins & 241 top 10s in the
regular season. Just FYI, only 9 other drivers have 51 wins in their
careers.


  62.   JSPorts posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:44 am
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I really get a laugh that y'all are still trying to discredit Johnson's
success. You say his success can't ever compare to Petty & Earnhardt,
etc. Yet when I try to defend Richard Petty on here, I get told (by some
people) how Kyle Busch is better than Petty because Kyle won all those
Xfinity races and Petty only had to face 3 competitive cars per race.
Now, keep this in mind. I still think Petty & Earnhardt are above
Johnson, though if Johnson wins again I may have to re-think that.
However, I doubt he will win today. But Johnson has faced tougher
competition than Richard or Dale. And if you think about it, a 10 race
Chase is almost harder to win than a full-season championship, because
you have to be pretty much flawless for those 10 races. We've seen
before when a champion was behind after 10 races, but came back and won
by the end of the season. So 1 bad race, it really hurts your chances.

Now obviously, as y'all already know, I don't like this Chase format. I
don't like the current form, or any of the past forms (though I liked
the 2004-2006 form the best, followed by 2007-2010, then 2011-2013, and
now this one). I like our current points system (it had actually been my
idea long before it was implemented, so I was glad it happened) but
let's expand the field again, get rid of charters, relax the rules, and
put the races back in the drivers' hands. I am not a Carl Edwards fan,
but if he doesn't win today, who knows if he'll ever win one? This
system doesn't reward winning like they say it does. In the past 12
years of the Chase, only 4 times has the winningest driver gone on to
win the title: Johnson in 2007 & 2009, Tony Stewart in 2011, and
Keselowski in 2012. It happened 4 times in the 12 years prior to the
Chase, as well, so the Chase hasn't helped the winners, at all.


  63.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:59 am
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I see the anti-Johnson butthurt is strong today. #se7en


  64.   T-27 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:20 am
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"I am not a Carl Edwards fan, but if he doesn't win today, who knows if
he'll ever win one? This system doesn't reward winning like they say it
does. In the past 12 years of the Chase, only 4 times has the winningest
driver gone on to win the title: Johnson in 2007 & 2009, Tony Stewart in
2011, and Keselowski in 2012. It happened 4 times in the 12 years prior
to the Chase, as well, so the Chase hasn't helped the winners, at all."

The whole emphasis on 'winning' is just a misnomer for NASCAR wanting a
winner-takes-all final-type decider in order to boost ratings. In the
end, the law of averages means nothing will change much in terms of the
number of winners and how much they win. I don't like this system, most
of the posters here don't like it, but in the end NASCAR decides what to
do with their 'product'. That does not mean I think they are making the
right decisions or that this format will work in the long run, but as
long as the organization believes they will make more money this way, it
will happen this way. And still, we all watch.

Furthermore, people complaining about the driver with the most wins: a
win shouldpay more points so it really pays to go for wins. However, in
a season consisting of 36 races on different track types, drivers can be
rated on so much more than just finishing first (heck, with NASCAR
nearly always finding a reason to get a late-race caution, the 'best'
driver doesn't win about half the time anyway). I honestly don't care
who wins the title just looking at wins. A season-long presence among
the front-runners is way more important imo.

As for Johnson: I think he benefitted from the old Chase-format, but
everyone had the same opportunity. Gordon, Busch, and Kenseth never
truly figured it out (Gordon and Kenseth-fan speaking here) the way
Johnson (and his team) did. Johnson had the good fortune of being a
Hendrick driver in a period of Chevy dominance, but he and his team made
the most of it. I can think of a few other legends who did the same.

A final thought: one of the things about sports is that there will
always be something to complain about. NASCAR - and its fans - want two
things most of all: a 'true' champion who wins many, many races, and a
different winner every week, so it won't get 'boring' or 'predictable'.
We can't have both.


  65.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:46 am
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Lol, I don't exactly care for the guy but I can't discredit Johnson's
success. He's earned it all. But I don't want him to win this time, I
want him to win when he has a much better regular season.


  66.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 10:42 am
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To expand on JSports' idea, 26 races are devoted to the regular season.
26/36 = .722222222. 51 of Johnson's 79 wins are in the regular season.
51/79= .6455. Slightly less, but still a good percentage since the Chase
is crunch time. 152 of Johnson's 217 top 5's have come in the regular
season. 152/217 = .7004. Very good.

So the idea that he doesn't care/try in the regular season is completely
false.


  67.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 11:53 am
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The suspense the hype the build up


  68.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.20.2016 - 12:26 pm
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60. If you had the best crew, car and good driver out there year after
year, it's a peace of cake to make the Chase. Even that old one - you
can afford to have some bad races used for testing and other things. And
when you are near the cutoff line, just speed up a little bit...
Winning isn't anything difficult for JJ. No wonder he always won at
least once in the first 12 races every year (Kyle Busch is also good in
it - except 2015, when he had to miss 11 races due to injuries, but won
in his 5th start after return). And with the new Chase rules, you can
back off even more than before (which JJ did in the summer like usual -
some of you even started speculating what the hell is wrong with him).

61. Just 51? That's not a small number, but he would had even more, if
he gave it 100 % in every race (which he evidently wasn't in the summer
this year).

Say what you want, but JJ's titles will always be something less. As
well as Tony's title from 2011. And maybe Kyle's from 2015, but there's
a story behind it - a guy, who battled through incredible pain due to
NASCAR's laziness to make all the tracks safe, came back to win it all.
May be a weaker champion as well, but at least he ran all the races on
100 % despite all that pain from the healing...


  69.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 1:31 pm
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"I see the anti-Johnson butthurt is strong today. #se7en"

Disagreeing about the magnitude of his potential seventh title isn't
"butthurt".


  70.   Mile501 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:09 pm
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[begin sarcasm] Here's the shocker of the weekend: Brian France talks
about how much he loves the new chase format. [end sarcasm]

"France also indicated NASCAR was pleased with the elimination Chase
formats introduced this year in the NASCAR XFINITY and Camping World
Truck Series. The Sprint Cup Series has been using the knockout system
for three years. 'I obviously love it,' France said of the move. 'We're
very pleased with the formats. Wouldn't change a thing.'"

(NASCAR Wire Service, from Jayski)


  71.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:23 pm
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of the Championship 4 drivers Kyle Busch is the only driver that has his
car pass pre-race inspection so far, the other 3 have failed inspection
3 times so far all dealing with the rear tow of the car


  72.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:36 pm
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Gut feeling says Kyle wins the race and the championship for the second
year in a row...to be bluntly honest, it's probably between him and
Logano for who's the strongest driver (at least, based on their overall
seasons) left in this fight. But I guess we'll just have to see...

Tony Stewart's last hurrah. For as controversial as he may have been
throughout his career, and as polarizing a figure as he may have been
(particularly after the Kevin Ward incident...which as far as I'm going
to discuss that), it's gonna be very different without him in the field
every week next year. Between him and Gordon retiring and Junior likely
not FAR from retirement (with all the concussions and stuff, I cannot
imagine he'll be around more than a couple of years at the most), we're
really getting closer and closer to all of the drivers from my young
childhood days being retired now. In a way, it feels like a part of my
childhood is slowly dying out...

Sad to see Brian Scott retiring from NASCAR after this race...MORE than
a little surprising-even despite his terrible Cup rookie season, I
figured we'd see him stick around for quite a while longer. Of course
that's his call if he wishes to spend more time with his family-hard to
blame him-but I actually kind of liked him from his days in the Trucks
and Nationwide/Xfinity. Probably SHOULD'VE won an Xfinity race...but oh
well. Wonder who on earth will end up getting the second Petty car next
year...


  73.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:40 pm
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I don't see why they are waiting until 3:15 to start the race. I know
the weather is actually a lot better than last year, but it would make
more sense to have a condensed pre-race (an hour max). Hopefully it's
something that NASCAR looks into in the future.

And speaking of NASCAR, did anyone catch Brian France's press conference
today and him saying that NASCAR is "healthy"?


  74.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:44 pm
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"Disagreeing about the magnitude of his potential seventh title isn't
"butthurt".

It does actually, because 99% of the time the anti-Johnson arguments
translate into "Waaaaah Jimmie Johnson is better than my driver and he
wins too much!!!"


  75.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:45 pm
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#48 has been pulled back off the grid for what appears to look like a
change to the car after inspection

gotta love this cheating team they really want to cheat their wait to
title #7


  76.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:50 pm
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Poor Richard's been dragged into the narrative.


  77.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:51 pm
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^lol, the "cheating" argument.

I love how Dale Inman, Junior Johnson, Smokey Yunick, and Ray Evernham,
or in present day, Paul Wolfe and Cole Pearn all get a pass for
cheating, yet when Chad and the 48 team does it you all cry bloody
murder. Double standard much?


  78.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:55 pm
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Three of the four cars failed inspection the first time. I think the #18
was the one who didn't.


  79.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:58 pm
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Jimmie Johnson has to start at the rear of the field because of the
infraction when the care was on the grid and had to be pulled off


  80.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:59 pm
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^So...did the 48 get busted twice then if they're being pulled off the
grid.


  81.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:59 pm
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Jimmie Johnson will have to start from the rear! That is big, although
I'm sure it won't mean anything as the 48 will streak to the front.


  82.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 2:59 pm
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Johnson is indeed going to the rear.


  83.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:01 pm
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Now NBC is surely not gonna pay attention to 'the other 3' drivers.


  84.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:04 pm
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Post 80 was me.

I'm almost home, but how close are they to starting?


  85.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:05 pm
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They just did the anthem.


  86.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:05 pm
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10 minutes from now.

Now that Jimmie has to go to the rear, one has to wonder if he can
overcome adversity as he has in the past.


  87.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:06 pm
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"begin sarcasm] Here's the shocker of the weekend: Brian France talks
about how much he loves the new chase format. [end sarcasm]

"France also indicated NASCAR was pleased with the elimination Chase
formats introduced this year in the NASCAR XFINITY and Camping World
Truck Series. The Sprint Cup Series has been using the knockout system
for three years. 'I obviously love it,' France said of the move. 'We're
very pleased with the formats. Wouldn't change a thing.'"

Brian France's love of the Chase system reminds me of that kid in school
who think his ideas are great but everyone else finds them terrible.


  88.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:07 pm
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"I love how Dale Inman, Junior Johnson, Smokey Yunick, and Ray Evernham,
or in present day, Paul Wolfe and Cole Pearn all get a pass for
cheating, yet when Chad and the 48 team does it you all cry bloody
murder. Double standard much?"

NASCAR was always half-assed about policing cheating and didn't get
serious about it until the early 90's (ie Darrell Waltrip getting away
with a buckshot rollcage because they placed the open-port were NASCAR
always placed the jack in inspection).
Ray Evernham wasn't loved, he is propted up by rose colored nostalgia.
Brad Keselowski takes most of the heat off Paul Wolfe (who is nowhere
near the level of others on this list).
And some people turned against Truex because of Cole Pearn.


  89.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:09 pm
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I know one thing for sure. I will miss Tony Stewart. Smoke has been such
an amazing driver, but I'm going to miss his personality the most. I've
always loved his no-BS attitude and willingness to just say what he
believes and what's on his mind, instead of hawking a boring corporate
character. And he's not afraid to speak out against NASCAR when he
thinks something needs to change!

Of course, he'll still be around as a team owner, so there's that. But
here's to Tony the Tiger!

Tony will be pulling out of line during the pace laps and leading the
field as a tribute.


  90.   Canadianfan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:11 pm
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There was a great race hub special a couple years ago called "The Grey
Area" I believe it was three parts only part one is on YouTube I just
watched it it's worth checking out.


  91.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:12 pm
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Should I mention that I had a bizarre dream last night that of all
things, Trojan condoms stepped up to be the Cup Series' next title sponsor?

No, I'm not joking...Of course I know that has a snowball's chance in
hell of ever happening, but I thought it was funny and really weird, so...


  92.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:12 pm
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Every team "works the gray area" in order to get an advantage over the
competition. It's been that way since NASCAR began and it will continue
to be that way so long as they remain in business.

In other words, no one team is 'cleaner than the other.


  93.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:12 pm
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Why haven't they gone going yet?


  94.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:13 pm
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I'm watching NASCAR with french comments, believe it or not, it's fun to
watch.


  95.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:14 pm
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"NASCAR was always half-assed about policing cheating"

Exactly my point. Fans call the 48 team "cheaters" while idolizing
people like Richard Petty whose team was probably the most notorious
cheaters in the history of the sport. Heck, I try to make a point on
here that Jimmy Spencer doesn't deserve his wins because they were in an
illegal car and get bashed by the exact same people who discredit Johnson.


  96.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:16 pm
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Why haven't they gone going yet?

Ensuring that the last 10 laps of the Race for All Spectacular!!! is
pre-empted for a 2 hour NFL pregame show.


  97.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:16 pm
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Kind of sad realizing this is Tony's last start. He's rolling down pit
road with tons of high fives


  98.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:17 pm
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When did Tony start wearing glasses? I think Kyle Petty snuck into the car.


  99.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:17 pm
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Amazing display of respect on pit-road.


  100.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:17 pm
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I didn't know Tony wears glasses


  101.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:18 pm
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^If the race runs long and cuts into the "Football Night in America"
pre-game show, you can be sure there will be angry people on social
media again just like last year.

I could understand it if the race actually cut into the game itself, but
people getting upset over missing a PRE-GAME show? In this day and age
of information being available online at your fingertips, there's that
many people who really want to watch the talking heads discuss all the
games so far today and predict what's going to happen tonight...?
I...don't quite understand; I could care less if I miss the PRE-RACE
show...


  102.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:18 pm
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That is a great tribute to Tony.


  103.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:20 pm
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So, I try to watch the race and playing Nascar Racing 1999 Season, have
fun!


  104.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:20 pm
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Great tribute to Tony.

ALL I hope from this race is a clean, exciting race with NO controversy.
That shouldn't be too much to ask?

Sentimental favorite: Carl Edwards
Who I want to win: Kyle Busch or Joey Logano (Best guys all year)
Who probably will win: Jimmie Johnson


  105.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:20 pm
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So heartwarming and satisfying see all the respect for Tony. I'm gonna
miss seeing him race in NASCAR though he has said he'll continue racing
on dirt.


  106.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:20 pm
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Did this do something like this with Gordon last year?


  107.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:21 pm
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Jeff last year, Tony this year...

Man, I can only imagine what they're going to do when Junior announces
his farewell tour. My biggest worry with these three all being gone in
the near future is that NASCAR is going to take a major hit in the
ratings/attendance numbers...

Fine farewell to the future NASCAR Hall of Famer, I must say.


  108.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:21 pm
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Definitely gonna miss Tony Stewart. He was one of the most competitive
drivers out there on the racing circuit. Watching his old races, I knew
he was eventually going to be a NASCAR champion. He is one of the last
drivers to speak his mind about what is happening in NASCAR today.

He will truly be missed.

I will also miss Brian Scott. He only had one year in Sprint Cup, but
his runner up finish at Talladega last month, and his pole at the same
track a year ago, are the most memorable for me. It's a shame that he
only won one truck race, because as much as he wrecked, at least he
tried to run at the front.

He also will be missed.


  109.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:21 pm
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"Did this do something like this with Gordon last year?"

They did something with Gordon at EVERY track last year, hell they even
named a track after him for a day.


  110.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:24 pm
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just a reminder for those not aware you can watch the Hot Pass of the
race on NBCSN instead of watching the NBC broadcast with all their
commercials


  111.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:24 pm
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THIS IS IT!

GREEN FLAG!


  112.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:24 pm
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Here we go!


  113.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:24 pm
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Final green flag of the 2016 season!


  114.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:24 pm
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Final race green flag!


  115.   Alex posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:25 pm
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"I love how Dale Inman, Junior Johnson, Smokey Yunick, and Ray Evernham,
or in present day, Paul Wolfe and Cole Pearn all get a pass for
cheating, yet when Chad and the 48 team does it you all cry bloody
murder. Double standard much? "

Chad has cheated more than you named COMBINED.

"It does actually, because 99% of the time the anti-Johnson arguments
translate into "Waaaaah Jimmie Johnson is better than my driver and he
wins too much!!!" "

Except no one has ever used this once.


  116.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:25 pm
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GO GREEN RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  117.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:25 pm
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We have begun the FINAL SPRINT CUP RACE!


  118.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:26 pm
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Green flag is out. Let's see a nice, clean, controversy race for the
title today! (...I hope...)

Harvick gets out front and leads the opening lap from the pole. Gotta be
kicking himself right now for not capitalizing at Phoenix last week....

Edwards has gotten around Kyle right now and is the highest running
title contender at the end of lap 2.


  119.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:27 pm
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"Man, I can only imagine what they're going to do when Junior announces
his farewell tour. My biggest worry with these three all being gone in
the near future is that NASCAR is going to take a major hit in the
ratings/attendance numbers..."

Unless Jr has to retire because of his injuries his retirement will be
different. He's said he wants to run full time for JRM in the Xfinity
series for a few years then maybe even a few years in the Truck series.
So unlike Jeff and Tony, Jr would be at the track pretty much every week
and he'd still be racing.


  120.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:27 pm
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Johnson up to 22nd.


  121.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:27 pm
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Pretty sure this is a dumb question, but Elliott's pretty much locked up
the RotY award, right? I'd be pretty shocked if it went to Blaney...

Johnson already up to 25th (well, that's not a shock, it's not too hard
to get through the garbage equipment brigade...)


  122.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:29 pm
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Johnson already about to crack the top 20.

While I've gained more respect for Johnson and the #48 team in recent
times...I have to agree with the masses in saying I'd rather not see
them win the title this year. They've just had too weak and too
inconsistent of a season (particularly with an AWFUL summer stretch) to
really see them as being deserving champions.


  123.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:29 pm
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Edwards 5th, Busch 8th, Logano 10th, Johnson 19th.

As they run Edwards wins by 3.


  124.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:29 pm
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"Chad has cheated more than you named COMBINED."

When Chad puts an oversized engine in Jimmie's car like the Petty team
did at Charlotte or makes NASCAR add extra races to the schedule so he
can intentionally wreck his championship competitor like Carl Kiekhaefer
did, then we can talk.


  125.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:30 pm
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Edwards is fast so far.


  126.   markjeff531 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:30 pm
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did Johnson have to go to the rear of the field for the start?


  127.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:30 pm
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just a reminder for those not aware you can watch the Hot Pass of the
race on NBCSN instead of watching the NBC broadcast with all their
commercials

They show the same commercials at the same time as NBC.


  128.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:31 pm
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Jimmie has stormed up into the top 20. For those people who think Jimmie
and Chad are huge cheaters, you clearly have no idea about NASCAR's history


  129.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:31 pm
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Yes, Chase Elliott has 297 points to Blaney's 232.


  130.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:32 pm
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"Chad has cheated more than you named COMBINED."

Flavio Briatore loves cheating.


  131.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:32 pm
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Man, three dislikes already. Looks like I struck a few nerves.


  132.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:33 pm
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Why argue about this, NASCAR has always been a sport of cheaters. Always
has been and always will be.


  133.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:33 pm
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Johnson has passed Stewart, Dillon, and Bowman, as well as Larson, to 15th.

Edwards up to 4th, Busch to 7th. The margin still 3 points.


  134.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:33 pm
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Edwards up to 4th. Kyle is 7th, and Logano rounds out the top 10.

Johnson has cracked the top 15 already.


  135.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:33 pm
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Johnson up to fifteenth already. Keep it coming!


  136.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:34 pm
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Johnson 15th, like me in NTG Games, or he adjust the difficulty in Easy
Mode?


  137.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:34 pm
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@ Chad difference being is you have all 4 racers on your screen and the
race broadcast, no NBC talk

NBCSN only talks about the 4 chase racers


  138.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:34 pm
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Johnson goes by Ryan Blaney and Kurt Busch for 13th.


  139.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:35 pm
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Keep it up Carl!


  140.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:35 pm
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Edwards looking fast so far as well, up to third.


  141.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:37 pm
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Ryan Blaney hits the wall, no caution.


  142.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:37 pm
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Leigh Diffey and Parker Kligerman are covering the Chase battle on NBCSN
(just checked to see what's going on there).

Man, while I will say Parker isn't a bad commentator by any means...I
really hope the guy gets another shot at Cup again in the future...


  143.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:37 pm
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40th to 13th in 21 laps. Very impressive so far by the 48 team.


  144.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:37 pm
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Ryan Blaney hits the wall, no caution.

According to Ward Burton, it was Dave Blaney.


  145.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:38 pm
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Edwards and Kyle both look really strong early in this one.


  146.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:38 pm
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" Man, while I will say Parker isn't a bad commentator by any means...I
really hope the guy gets another shot at Cup again in the future... "

Is he no interested for one of Jay Robinson's ride? :)


  147.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:38 pm
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Johnson passes Stenhouse for 12th.


  148.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:38 pm
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"Very impressive so far by the 48 team."

Shhh, don't say that. Haven't you learned the first rule of
Racing-Reference yet? You're not allowed to say anything remotely
positive about Johnson.


  149.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:39 pm
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"Ryan Blaney hits the wall, no caution."

I guarantee that something similar will bring out a caution with 10 to go.


  150.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:40 pm
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Yellow flag


  151.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:41 pm
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Caution for Blaney.


  152.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:41 pm
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Caution for Blaney.


  153.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:42 pm
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Logano seems like the slowest of all 4 right now but thats been the 22's
thing all season.
Start off slow and be there at then end.

Caution for who knows what.


  154.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:42 pm
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#136

Easy mode in old NASCAR games (the only ones I have experience playing,
have not bothered with any of the newer ones) is a total joke. I
remember once in the first NASCAR Heat I led flag to flag in the
Southern 500 and lapped the field SEVENTEEN times, no joke. If I ever
play any of those games nowadays on Easy mode, I like to do silly things
like pit multiple times in the early laps to put myself laps down early
and have to work my way back up, because it actually makes things more
interesting...

Ryan Blaney finds the wall a second time between turns 1 and 2 and
brings out our first yellow flag...


  155.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:42 pm
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Slow stop for Dos Jotas. RIP rear tire changer.


  156.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:42 pm
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Because I'll be missing most of the race anyway due to a concert I have
today, I'm going to watch a stream that I just paused when I get back.

See you in six hours when I find out who wins!


  157.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:44 pm
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#154.

In Nascar 2000 from EA, I met the same problem with difficulty.

In NR from Papyrus, it's much better and fun.


  158.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:45 pm
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Harvick leads to the green.


  159.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:46 pm
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Edwards MOVES Harvick for the lead!


  160.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:46 pm
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Edwards right there with Harvick!


  161.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:46 pm
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Edwards challenging for the lead!


  162.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:46 pm
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Edwards AND Kyle Busch going for the lead on the restart!

Edwards is still battling with Harvick the next time around, but Kyle
drifts back to 5th while Logano moves to 4th.


  163.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:46 pm
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Edwards takes the lead and gets that vital bonus point!


  164.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:47 pm
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Really don't know why threw the yellow for the 21 there. Like if they
threw a yellow for every time someone did that in yesterdays race there
probably would have been IDK like 20 maybe 30 yellow flags.....


  165.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:47 pm
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Harvick back to the front.


  166.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:47 pm
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Edwards moves to the top spot. Establishing himself as the early favorite?

Harvick now reclaims the top spot again, though.


  167.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:47 pm
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Harvick battles back for the lead.


  168.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:47 pm
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@163 there is no bonus points for leading laps in the final race, its
whoever finishes the best period no points to figure out


  169.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:48 pm
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Logano in 4th, Busch in 5th, Johnson in 7th.


  170.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:48 pm
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So even though Harvick is eliminated we still have to bring up the bull
tweet. Seriously?


  171.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:48 pm
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Oh, I thought it wasn't that way. Oh well.


  172.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:48 pm
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Johnson is already 7th. Already looking like we're going to be in for a
close fight between the final four all race long.


  173.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:49 pm
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Logano up to 3rd.


  174.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:49 pm
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"Really don't know why threw the yellow for the 21 there. Like if they
threw a yellow for every time someone did that in yesterdays race there
probably would have been IDK like 20 maybe 30 yellow flags....."

Allgaier's wall hit or both of Jones' would have brought out a caution
for sure.


  175.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:50 pm
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Great fight for the lead between Edwards and Harvick.


  176.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:51 pm
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Yep, awesome battling.


  177.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:51 pm
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"So even though Harvick is eliminated we still have to bring up the bull
tweet. Seriously?"

NBC is obsessed with that tweet as much as DW is with Cole Pearn.


  178.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:52 pm
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"Allgaier's wall hit or both of Jones' would have brought out a caution
for sure."

Yup... NASCAR just doing what they do best. Being consistently
inconsistent.


  179.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:54 pm
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The champ 4 are 2-3-4-5.


  180.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:55 pm
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generic top-5


  181.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:55 pm
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Is that Tony driving the 14 car today or Sebastian Bourdais?


  182.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:55 pm
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Title contenders running 2-5. Only Harvick up front is spoiling the party.


  183.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:55 pm
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Coca-Cola changed Tony Stewart's "I'm not retired yet you knuckleheads"
commercial to a new version where Smoke tells everyone "Now you have a
chance" in reference to wishing him a happy retirement for this farewell
race.


  184.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:56 pm
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Edwards is all over Harvick going for the lead.


  185.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:56 pm
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All four championship contenders are in the top-five.


  186.   EyeofTheCougar posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:56 pm
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No tributes for retiring Brain Scott before this race? Tony stoled all
the pre-race thunder


  187.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:57 pm
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"Being consistently inconsistent."

...Why isn't this NASCAR's slogan? OK, I realize that it's virtually
impossible they'd use such a self-deprecatory phrase like that, but it's
perfectly accurate...


  188.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:57 pm
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Wow, both LFR cars in the top 20.


  189.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:57 pm
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I wonder if Edwards will give away his Cup trophy if he wins it.


  190.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:57 pm
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Its just me or the #32 is really slow?


  191.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:58 pm
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#186

Brian Scott is not a legendary driver, unlike Stewart. It is a little
sad, but it makes complete sense why there would be no TV fanfare over
his retirement.


  192.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 3:59 pm
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DiBenedetto in the #49? What's the deal with that? Haven't seen a #49
car enter a race all year...


  193.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:00 pm
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It's to promote NASCAR Heat Evolution being lowered to 49.99.


  194.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:00 pm
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Larson moving up into the top 10, running his typical high groove.


  195.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:00 pm
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Dillon has looked strong the last few weeks.


  196.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:00 pm
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"DiBenedetto in the #49? What's the deal with that? Haven't seen a #49
car enter a race all year... "

Jay Robinson number haha


  197.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:00 pm
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Both Leavine cars running top 20.


  198.   racefangurl posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:01 pm
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131, I think it might be thumbs down bot. Maybe


  199.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:02 pm
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"No tributes for retiring Brain Scott before this race?"

Nope, and no tributes for Brian Scott either. Sorry.


  200.   racefangurl posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:02 pm
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Crazy how the Chasers are so tight together now.


  201.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:03 pm
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The real question of the day: Who will replace Tony at the coca-cola
racing family?


  202.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:04 pm
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Edwards is catching Harvick again.


  203.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:04 pm
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I know the caution was a while ago, but is it just me, or does Ryan
Blaney hit the wall often?


  204.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:05 pm
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Cowboy Hat passes the 48 on the high side.


  205.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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Wow, Harvick and Edwads have a 7 second lead over everyone else.


  206.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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NBC with their Dos Jotas cam almost forgets that the 3 passed him for
position.


  207.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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Logano pits?


  208.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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Logano is trying to short pit here.


  209.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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here comes Green Flag Pit Stops


  210.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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Aw man, no love for my Bourdais comment? :( lol

Too bad Harvick isn't eligible to win the title today. He's been up
front leading most of this race.

Lap 67 and Joey Logano is the first to hit pit road for green-flag
stops. Kind of early to do so.


  211.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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Logano short pitting.


  212.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:06 pm
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Logano pitting
*Hopes for speeding penalty


  213.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:07 pm
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Now everyone pitting.


  214.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:07 pm
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Johnson follows directly after him.

Johnson gets another bad stop.


  215.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:08 pm
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Jackman on the 48 fell.
Chad is eyeballing the 24 pit.


  216.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:08 pm
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Looks like Joey spurred everybody into action, they're ALL coming in now.


  217.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:08 pm
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Jimmie Johnson nearly collides with Secretariat *ahem* Brad Keselowski


  218.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:09 pm
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Johnson falls to 6th.

Harvick a whopping 6 seconds ahead.


  219.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:09 pm
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Jackman fell on the on the 48 pit stop. Was it the same Kackman who fell
on Algaier's pit stop last night?


  220.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:09 pm
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Harvick now has a 6 second lead after pit stops.


  221.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:13 pm
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Edwards chopping the margin, now 5.1 seconds back.


  222.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:13 pm
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Caution.


  223.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:13 pm
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Caution waves for Dylan Lupton.


  224.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:13 pm
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Caution for some jateet.


  225.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:13 pm
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Harvick already lapping up into the top 20.

Caution flag is out for a problem by Jeffrey Earnhardt.


  226.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:13 pm
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Oh, a Daniel Suarez advert


  227.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:13 pm
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Caution for Jeffrey Earnhardt


  228.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:14 pm
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Caution for Jeffery Earnhardt spinning of turn four.


  229.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:14 pm
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Yet again, another unwarranted caution.


  230.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:14 pm
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Caution is out for the #83 ALMOST, but not quite, spinning, trying to
enter the pits.


  231.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:14 pm
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Jeffrey Earnhardt brings up the yellow with a slide in turn 4. He's
again running the black-and-silver throwback-inspired look on his #83
Starter Toyota.


  232.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:16 pm
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Harvick wins the race off pit road, but Logano takes the chapionship lead!


  233.   racefangurl posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:18 pm
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201, maybe Stewart's successor will replace him. As long as Coke stays
with the car that is.


  234.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:19 pm
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...They came out of the commercial break just to show us the scenery
around the racetrack.


  235.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:20 pm
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Come on Joey, get this one for the Blue Oval Boys!

Coming into today Ford has not won a Sprint Cup championship since Kurt
Busch's triumph back in 2004 during the first year of the Chase.


  236.   Woodsman posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:20 pm
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Chase Elliott just got into his crew's s*** after that last pitstop.
Haven't heard that from him often.


  237.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:20 pm
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"201, maybe Stewart's successor will replace him. As long as Coke stays
with the car that is."

Clint seems like the type that would rather have a Busch beer than a
Coke after a race.


  238.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:22 pm
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Logano to the front!


  239.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:22 pm
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Clint seems like the type that would rather have a Busch beer than a
Coke after a race.

Clint needs something to mix with the barrels of Jack he likely has from
his run at RCR.


  240.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:22 pm
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Go green


  241.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:22 pm
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Logano takes the lead from Harvick on the restart.


  242.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:22 pm
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Harvick with a Jeff Gordon restart.


  243.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:23 pm
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Crazy question: What if all four title contenders are wiped out of the
race in a single accident?

That would be NASCAR's ultimate nightmare scenario...But I guess that
means the title winner would be the guy who was running the furthest
forward at the time of the crash.

Logano leads now after the restart, but Edwards moves to second around
Harvick.


  244.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:23 pm
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Watch out Joey, Carl's a comin.


  245.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:23 pm
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Logano and Edwards now running 1-2.


  246.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:24 pm
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Wait a minute, WTF happened to Bowman??? He's 34th?


  247.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:24 pm
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The Leavine cars are both running top 20 nearly 100 laps into this one.


  248.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:25 pm
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That would be NASCAR's ultimate nightmare scenario...But I guess that
means the title winner would be the guy who was running the furthest
forward at the time of the crash.

That's my dream scenario; though NASCAR would try to spin it by
re-creating the '73 title picture when Benny clinched the title with 1/2
a car.


  249.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:25 pm
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Edwards takes the top spot from Logano!


  250.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:25 pm
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Carl goes alongside to take the lead!

Anywho, if all 4 crashed, the guy who finished highest would win.


  251.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:25 pm
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"Crazy question: What if all four title contenders are wiped out of the
race in a single accident?"

NASCAR pulls a 2001 Winston or 1996 U.S. 500 and lets them go to backup
cars probably.


  252.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:26 pm
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Edwards retakes the lead. He's definitely the fastest of the four today.


  253.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:26 pm
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Edwards back out front.


  254.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:27 pm
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I will gladly eat crow for underestimating Carl and the 19 bunch today.
But still a long ways to go..


  255.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:29 pm
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I would love to see Carl handles a win here today. Would make me super
happy.

Also has there ever been a weekend sweep for the championship with the
SAME car number and SAME sponsor? Daniel Suarez and Carl Edwards' cars
are identical.


  256.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:29 pm
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Kyle Larson passes Jimmie Johnson for 5th.


  257.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:29 pm
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Larson cracks the top 5.


  258.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:31 pm
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"Crazy question: What if all four title contenders are wiped out of the
race in a single accident?"

In all seriousness the highest finisher still gets the title. I imagine
we'd see a crazy effort to repair the cars and get back out to grab the
points needed for the title. Formula E had a crazy finish like that last
year when an early accident wiped out the title contenders then they
switched to their second cars (as you do in Formula E) with the title
coming down to who could win the bonus point for posting the fastest lap.


  259.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:31 pm
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I like Austin Dillon's Dow / Dow Corning paint scheme for this race.
Represent for Midland, Michigan today Austin!


  260.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:32 pm
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NBC talking about non-championship four drivers?


  261.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:32 pm
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Larson's flying, he's passed Busch for 4th.


  262.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:32 pm
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Here comes Larson.


  263.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:32 pm
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Larson shoots past Kyle Busch for 4th.


  264.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:32 pm
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Holy crap, Larson just blew by the 18 like he was nothing. And he's
already caught Harvick!


  265.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:33 pm
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Larson blows by both JJ and Kyle Busch, he could play the spoiler in the
battle amongst the championship four.


  266.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:33 pm
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Surprise of the race:
Kyle Larson is flying on the high-side /s


  267.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:34 pm
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Larson blew by Logano for 2nd.


  268.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:34 pm
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Harvick is looking to pass Logano for 3rd.


  269.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:35 pm
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Larson all the way up to 2nd!


  270.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:36 pm
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This is going to be like last year's race where Larson will be leading
late only for a "caution" to come out with 10-5 to go to make sure one
of the final four wins the race...isn't it?

With Larson flying through the field right now, it looks quite possible...


  271.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:36 pm
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Yep, Larson's on the charge. Up to second around Logano.

Bowman lost a lap repairing damage to the RR of the car, which he
received in a stack up coming onto pit road. Dale Jr. reports that on
twitter.


  272.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:37 pm
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Personally believe Homestead is Larson's best track. Should he ever make
the final 4, he'd be an insane favorite.


  273.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:37 pm
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^Ah, thanks. That explains things.


  274.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:38 pm
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Larson up to second. Now can he run down Edwards.


  275.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:39 pm
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Busch has caught Logano for fourth.


  276.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:39 pm
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Man, Larson is flying. He'll be leading in no time.


  277.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:39 pm
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Larson is definetly closing in on the 19.


  278.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:40 pm
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Larson to the lead!

Pit stops begin.


  279.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:40 pm
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Just let him pass Carl. You've got bigger things on the line.

Logano pits.


  280.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:40 pm
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Larson takes the lead from Edwards as Logano comes to pit road.


  281.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:40 pm
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Larson goes to the top spot.

Kyle Busch clears Logano for fourth as Logano once again is the first of
the title contenders to head for the pits.


  282.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:40 pm
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Larson spoils the chaser party by taking the lead as Logano is first to
pit again.


  283.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:41 pm
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Larson on fire!


  284.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:42 pm
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Almost halfway? Man, this race is going by quick...

I have a feeling late race yellows and/or multiple GWCs will help drag
this one out, though...


  285.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:42 pm
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If Chad doesn't swap crews now Kyle Petty will clear his throat.


  286.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:42 pm
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The 5, 24, and 88 rear tire changers are on alert.


  287.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:43 pm
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Johnson with another bad stop.


  288.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:43 pm
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Edwards retakes the lead after pit stops.


  289.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:44 pm
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Edwards back out front after pit stops cycle through.


  290.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:46 pm
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Larson back out front.


  291.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:47 pm
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Larson retakes the lead again. He's taking max advantage of the high line.


  292.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:48 pm
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Dillon hit the wall.


  293.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:49 pm
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Welp Smoke goes a lap down in his final race.


  294.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:50 pm
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Halfway.


  295.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:50 pm
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Not looking good for a strong finish, just no speed in the car. That's
been the problem the entire weekend.

At this point, I'd just settle for a better finish than Biffle.


  296.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:50 pm
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Halfway home.


  297.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:50 pm
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Edwards to the lead!


  298.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:50 pm
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Edwards back on point.


  299.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:50 pm
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Whoa, Carl is running down Larson? And passing him? Didn't see that one
coming.


  300.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:51 pm
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Kyle Busch with a right front tire down!


  301.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:51 pm
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All of sudden Larson just slowed up. Edwards back to the point.


  302.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:51 pm
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Edwards retakes the lead from Larson.

Kyle Busch on pit road.


  303.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:51 pm
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Edwards retakes the top spot. Gonna be tough to beat him for the title...

Something is wrong with Kyle Busch as he coasts into pit road. Flat tire
on the #18!


  304.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:51 pm
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ISSHOES for Kyle Busch.


  305.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:51 pm
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Race midpoint and interesting duel.


  306.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:52 pm
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Busch falls a lap down after the stop.


  307.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:52 pm
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KYLE BUSCH HAS BLOWN A TIRE!


  308.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:52 pm
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UH OH


  309.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:52 pm
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Well, that's going to put a hampering in Kyle's title hopes. He'll need
it to go green long enough for everyone else to pit and then get a
caution to put him back on the lead lap. Won't be shocked at all if he
gets it...


  310.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:53 pm
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Flat right front for the 18, good job by him to keep it off the wall and
make onto pit road.


  311.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:54 pm
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Crew looked at the tire from the 18 car and didn't see anything wrong.
Yikes.


  312.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:56 pm
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Larson back to the front.

Logano 4th, Johnson 8th.


  313.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:56 pm
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Larson is back in front... for now.


  314.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:56 pm
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Larson back out front. Pretty awesome battle so far.


  315.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:56 pm
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Larson back in front again as he and Edwards continue to duel for first.


  316.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:57 pm
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Larson and Edwards continuing to battle for the lead.


  317.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:57 pm
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Up to 15th lapped.

Good run for Dillon in 15th.


  318.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:57 pm
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Logano is 12 seconds behind Edwards...damn.


  319.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 4:59 pm
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I think the other three should have followed Kyle into the pits. This is
really gonna bite them if it goes green, and it looks like it's going to
to me.


  320.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:00 pm
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Maybe Carl still has a chance of beating Kyle out, but I'm not sure.


  321.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:00 pm
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Looks like everyone else is coming in.


  322.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:01 pm
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NOW is when the flat tire can benefit Kyle Busch. If a caution comes out
soon, he'll be in good position.


  323.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:01 pm
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Green flag pit stops again.


  324.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:01 pm
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Pit stops already? Feels like they were literally just in. Well Kyje
gets his wish.


  325.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:01 pm
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Pit stops.


  326.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:03 pm
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So Kyle Busch cycles up to second, but it doesn't last long as Edwards
quickly passes him.

How much you want to bet the caution comes out in a handful of laps to
save him from having to pit again?


  327.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:03 pm
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Carl will pass by Busch again.


  328.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:03 pm
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Kyle Busch gets in front of Carl Edwards as he exit his pit stop, but
wasn't long till Carl got around him and flew away from Kyle as they run
2nd and 3rd.


  329.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:03 pm
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Kyle's getting about run over on older tires.


  330.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:03 pm
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Another bad pit stop for Johnson. SMH


  331.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:04 pm
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Wow, I'm pretty shocked Kyle didn't end up with a big lead here
(although I expected Carl to run him down pretty easily.)


  332.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:04 pm
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Harvick gets by Busch for 3rd. The 18 will definetly drop back now.


  333.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:04 pm
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This saves Kyle, but he's off-sequence with the leaders.


  334.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:05 pm
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Kyle basically needs a caution now. He's going to lose a ton of ground
on older tires, coupled with the fact that he will have to pit about 20
laps earlier than everyone else.


  335.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:06 pm
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"Another bad pit stop for Johnson. SMH"

I think Knaus must have hired 4 & 78 team rejects for this race.


  336.   Ak47 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:07 pm
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Anybody who noticed the side draft Menard put on Edwards on lap 158
think there might be a little animosity from Menard there? he cut him
tight all the way down the straightaway


  337.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:08 pm
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Kyle has dropped back into the clutches of Logano.


  338.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:08 pm
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Everyone outside the top five is more than 20 seconds behind the leader.


  339.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:08 pm
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"Anybody who noticed the side draft Menard put on Edwards on lap 158
think there might be a little animosity from Menard there? he cut him
tight all the way down the straightaway"

Could be Paul just ain't that great a driver.


  340.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:08 pm
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100 to go.


  341.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:09 pm
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Not a good day for the 48 team


  342.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:09 pm
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Larson is going to lap into the top 10 if we stay green much longer.
Just 13 cars currently on the lead lap with under 100 to go.


  343.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:10 pm
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I like him but it would be nice for Biffle's engine to let go, a
speeding penalty or major error that leads to a couple of laps being lost.

She's so close to making history.


  344.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:10 pm
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Edwards 2nd, Busch 5th, Logano 6th, Johnson 10th.


  345.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:10 pm
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JoLo is about to pass Busch.


  346.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:10 pm
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"Everyone outside the top five is more than 20 seconds behind the leader."

NASCAR's ultimate final bid to muster up goodwill for when they
implement the Caution-Clock next season.


  347.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:11 pm
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"Debris caution".


  348.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:11 pm
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Jacques?


  349.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:11 pm
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Kyle Busch caution


  350.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:11 pm
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Obilgatory Debris Caution.


  351.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:11 pm
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Caution is out, Kyle Busch is back in it now


  352.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:11 pm
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Kyle Busch chaser benefit caution.


  353.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:11 pm
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Kyle Busch benefit caution.


  354.   Jacques posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:12 pm
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iHola!


  355.   Drakion posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:13 pm
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BS debris caution.........WWE


  356.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:13 pm
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#343

Um...what historical achievement is Danica on the verge of achieving
today? I have no idea, other than the fact she's less than 100 laps away
from having a 0 top 10 season...Which, no matter which way you spin it,
is never impressive...


  357.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:13 pm
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Alex Bowman is a lap down and behind McDowell and just ahead of Casey
Mears. I don't see any criticism for his run today.

Hmmmm...the standards...


  358.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:14 pm
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Sun's about down and less than a 100 to go.
This were it gets (more) interesting.


  359.   Tylor Thaber posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:14 pm
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@357 It's called a bad day. When all you have is bad days, then it
becomes a lack of talent.


  360.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:15 pm
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Somehow the 48 team gets slower.


  361.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:15 pm
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Fantastic stop for Edwards.

Johnson's pit screw sucks again, lolz


  362.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:15 pm
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"Alex Bowman is a lap down and behind McDowell and just ahead of Casey
Mears. I don't see any criticism for his run today.

Hmmmm...the standards..."

He was damaged in a pit road stackup. It helps when you know the facts.


"iHola!"

Jacques, you're French, not Spanish.


  363.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:15 pm
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"You could win the cars we race!"

Except the street versions of the Impala, Fusion, and Camry don't look a
great deal like the versions of those cars they drive on the track...

Longer stop for Kyle Busch and Jimmie Johnson (again...)


  364.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:15 pm
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17.1 pit stop from Jimmie Johnson's crew. Damn

Is this the same crew from 2006-2010?


  365.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:15 pm
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Anyone know why bowman is running 35th


  366.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:16 pm
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Somehow the 48 team gets slower.

Since they were the last car on the lead lap, they spent the time to put
in all the crap they had to take out during inspection.


  367.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:16 pm
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Uh..Impala?


  368.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:17 pm
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I think we're gonna finally start seeing the championship contenders
running the wall. They pretty much have to, all the good speed is up there.

Jimmie will probably win this championship because he's running poor and
his crew is having slow pit stops.


  369.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:17 pm
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^Impala SS, forgot.


  370.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:17 pm
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@356

Highest standings finish by a female driver. If she beats Biffle and
finishes 15 positions ahead of Menard she gets it.


  371.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:18 pm
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Was that interruption between commercials their tribute to TNT?


  372.   Alex posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:19 pm
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"@356

Highest standings finish by a female driver. If she beats Biffle and
finishes 15 positions ahead of Menard she gets it. "

13th by Sara Christian in 1949?


  373.   Drakion posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:20 pm
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@370


Considering how many females have ran entire cup seasons thats not
exactly impressive of her.............


  374.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:20 pm
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"Jimmie will probably win this championship because he's running poor
and his crew is having slow pit stops"

This is probably a big show to fit their whole "fighting through
adversity" mantra before Chad opens up the 48 with like 50 to go or they
win on some off-strategy bid.


  375.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:21 pm
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" 372. Alex posted:
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"@356

Highest standings finish by a female driver. If she beats Biffle and
finishes 15 positions ahead of Menard she gets it. "

13th by Sara Christian in 1949?"

lol


  376.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:21 pm
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The funny thing is nobody mentions Danica when she's having a bad day
(which is every week) except for Danica10Whiner to make excuses for her.


  377.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:21 pm
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...apparently Danica10Racer either doesn't count pre-modern era results,
or Sara Christian actually ISN'T a female racer in his books.

Ermmm....


  378.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:21 pm
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"13th by Sara Christian in 1949?"

Do I see a Top 5?


  379.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:22 pm
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"Since they were the last car on the lead lap, they spent the time to
put in all the crap they had to take out during inspection."

Well, you weren't entirely wrong about that...


  380.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:22 pm
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"Do I see a Top 5?"

Danica be like: What is THAAAAT???


  381.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:22 pm
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Green flag!


  382.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:22 pm
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Or alternatively, he doesn't know about Sara Christian because he
doesn't know/doesn't care to look back that far.


  383.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:22 pm
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Truex sighting for the first time all day.


  384.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:23 pm
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Wow, aggressive move by Brad on the restart. Logano to second amd Larson
is gone.


  385.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:23 pm
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Logano fighting Edwards for the championship lead!


  386.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:23 pm
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Logano takes the point lead!


  387.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:24 pm
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Logano up to second now, ahead of Edwards. And here comes Kyle...


  388.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:25 pm
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8 race season, nobody competed full time and Christian was by far the
worst drivers of all those that completed the max amount of races (6).

That's not much of an accomplishment at all. That's why I don't care.


I'll rephrase then. Highest standings finish by a full time female
competitor.


  389.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:25 pm
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And here comes Jimmie.


  390.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:25 pm
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Can I just point out how hilarious it is that they ran out of ideas for
NFL shows, so now they're just literally doing Pimp My Ride but with NFL
players? What the hell.

Anyway, Larson's so fun to watch at this track.


  391.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:26 pm
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"I'll rephrase then. Highest standings finish by a full time female
competitor."

But if she completed the maximum amount of races, she was full time...


  392.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:28 pm
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Sure, feel free to completely discredit a pioneering NASCAR driver as
irrelevant or unimportant. If it helps you feel better in your quest to
prop your queen up, go ahead...

Harvick running down Kyle Busch for 4th.


  393.   Drakion posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:29 pm
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Its pretty funny seeing how more and more delusional Danica10Racer gets
with each passing race.


  394.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:29 pm
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Edwards is RIGHT BEHIND LOGANO!


  395.   Alex posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:29 pm
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"8 race season, nobody competed full time and Christian was by far the
worst drivers of all those that completed the max amount of races (6).

That's not much of an accomplishment at all. That's why I don't care.


I'll rephrase then. Highest standings finish by a full time female
competitor. "

Janet ran 19 out of 30 in 1977 and finished 23rd in points... damn.


  396.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:30 pm
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Edwards has closed up on Logano.


  397.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:30 pm
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Almirola off the track?


  398.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:30 pm
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Doesn't look like either Kyle or Jimmie can keep up with either Joey or
Carl.

Logano wins the title if there's a late race restart.
Edwards wins the title if it ends on a long green flag run.

But what are the odds it ends on a long green flag run?


  399.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:32 pm
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Johnson up to 7th.


  400.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:32 pm
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Really right now, I'd say either Logano or Edwards gets the title. Kyle
and Johnson just don't seem to be quite as good right now as those two.
(Although Kyle was running solidly within sight of Joey before his
unscheduled pit stop...)


  401.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:32 pm
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Keselowski bumpdrafts Jimmie.


  402.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:34 pm
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Carl gets alongside!


  403.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:34 pm
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Edwards and Logano are still running the bottom despite the top being
faster.


  404.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:34 pm
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Edwards is right with Logano.


  405.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:35 pm
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Edwards repeatedly battling Logano for second is going to allow Kyle a
chance to run with them...


  406.   Drakion posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:36 pm
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Honestly this race should be caution free.....

1st caution for a car running along the wall, no need for caution

2nd caution car half spins...no need for caution

3rd caution, phantom "debris" WWE caution.


  407.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:36 pm
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King air.


  408.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:37 pm
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Edwards FINALLY clears Joey for 2nd.


  409.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:37 pm
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Edwards back to the championship lead!


  410.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:37 pm
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Just as I post 407, Edwards clears Logano.


  411.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:37 pm
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Edwards back in front!


  412.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:37 pm
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YES Carl around Joey!!


  413.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:38 pm
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Ryan Blaney crashes again.


  414.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:38 pm
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Blaney finds the wall AGAIN and brings out the caution once more.


  415.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:38 pm
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Don't tell me. A friggin fuel mileage race to decide it.


  416.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:38 pm
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Blaney in the wall, caution.


  417.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:38 pm
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Blaney in the wall...again.


  418.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:38 pm
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Full time driver going for 23rd in points? That's not incredible.


  419.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:39 pm
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"Honestly this race should be caution free.....

1st caution for a car running along the wall, no need for caution

2nd caution car half spins...no need for caution

3rd caution, phantom "debris" WWE caution."

That was a poorly timed comment.


  420.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:39 pm
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Can they make it from here?


  421.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:39 pm
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First justifiable caution of the race (Blaney scraped against the wall a
fair ways and definitely dropped debris...)


  422.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:42 pm
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Oh my god, a not horrible pit stop for Johnson!


  423.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:42 pm
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Edwards lost 3 spots.
Hamlin gained 3 spots; I hope its due to a speeding penalty for
nostalgia's sake.


  424.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:43 pm
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48 with their first good stop of the race while the 19 hiccups a little
bit.


  425.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:43 pm
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I sincerely doubt NASCAR will let this run green to the end and come
down to a fuel mileage situation. They wouldn't allow it in this tight a
championship format. There will be a "debris" caution in the final 15
laps or so. Mark my words.

(Will gladly eat them, however, if I'm wrong...)

Edwards has a bad pit stop and Joey AND Kyle Busch both leapfrog him.


  426.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:43 pm
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19 team was flawless until now. Of course.


  427.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:44 pm
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Well, I think this probably just handed the title to Logano. He'll get a
big enough lead over Edwards and Edwards won't be able to catch up to
him quickly enough (particularly because Busch/Edwards will probably
battle each other hard enough to let him get away, as Allgaier/Jones did
against Suarez yesterday.) It has been taking Edwards quite some time to
pass Logano after Logano beats them out, so I think this is over. If
there are more restarts which there probably will be, that just plays
into Logano's advantage even more.


  428.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:45 pm
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"after Logano beats them out"

I mean after Logano passes Edwards on a restart.


  429.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:45 pm
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Let's see if the race runs caution free and plays out naturally.


  430.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:46 pm
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Larson takes the lead!


  431.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:47 pm
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18 to the championship lead!


  432.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:47 pm
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Kyle takes the championship lead!


  433.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:47 pm
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Kyle Busch now leading the four championship contenders.


  434.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:48 pm
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I don't think the cameras caught it but Carl put a Tony Stewart esque
block on Jimmie lap or two ago..


  435.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:48 pm
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Well, so much for Sean's theory. Kyle Busch easily disposes of Logano on
the restart.

Although I said I didn't think Kyle and Johnson had the speed to beat
Logano/Edwards...don't say it's over for them until they come out of
turn 4 on the white flag lap and they're not the highest running of the
final four.


  436.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:49 pm
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The two Kyles are 1-2 with Larson leading the race and Busch leading the
championship battle.


  437.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:50 pm
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Fuel isn't an issue.
But NASCAR throwing a bogus caution still is.


  438.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:50 pm
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Both LFR cars still in the top 20. Great day for them.


  439.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:52 pm
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I'm a bit perplexed why no one, the Chase drivers in particular, is
running the wall. We saw everyone in the Xfinity race yesterday doing
it, although the Xfinity cars are less powerful, so I suppose momentum
around the corner is more important to harness.


  440.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:52 pm
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Kyle Busch is sailing away from the other contenders in these final
laps, and closing in on Larson for the lead.


  441.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:53 pm
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Kyle Busch is just 42 laps away.


  442.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:53 pm
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The 4 cars are running at roughly the same speeds. They aren't gaining
on each other, and they aren't losing much ground on each other either.


  443.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:54 pm
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I swear NBC is so contradictory to themselves.
One lap they say fuel shouldn't be an issue the next they are talking
about when teams are gonna pit again.


  444.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:54 pm
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Edwards is finally catching Harvick.


  445.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:55 pm
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And he passes him.


  446.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:55 pm
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Edwards is beginning to move up.


  447.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:55 pm
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Edwards to fourth.

He'll probably take too long racing with Joey to catch Kyle, however...


  448.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:55 pm
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Edwards passes Harvick for fourth.


  449.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:56 pm
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Edwards is closing in on Logano now.


  450.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:57 pm
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He's caught Logano.


  451.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:57 pm
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It looks like Edwards is finally starting to run the high line a little
bit. Edwards gets by Logano with ease.


  452.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:57 pm
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Well, never mind. Edwards to third now with his sights set on Kyle.
Won't be easy to get around the #18, however...


  453.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:57 pm
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Edwards 3rd in the and 2nd in the championship now.


  454.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:57 pm
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Seems like Logano just hasn't been as fast in the night conditions.


  455.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:58 pm
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Edwards is seriously closing in on Busch now.


  456.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:58 pm
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Or maybe not. Edwards is running down Kyle!


  457.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:58 pm
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Larson leads over 100 laps in a race for the first time in his career.


  458.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:59 pm
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Kyle Busch: NASCAR's first nine-time champion. Just what every fan wants
to see, the most popular driver and the face of NASCAR lighting up the
track and filling the stands full on a weekly basis.


  459.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 5:59 pm
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Almirola back on track, 54 laps down. Only 32 laps away from our 3rd
race of the year where all cars finish the race.


  460.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:00 pm
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We know there won't be any team orders between these two.


  461.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:00 pm
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Edwards is almost there.


  462.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:00 pm
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Edwards is just 3/10ths of a second behind Kyle, and closing still.
Gonna be close between them!


  463.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:01 pm
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#458

Geez, jump the gun, will ya?

And I thought I was pessimistic...


  464.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:01 pm
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Edwards right there!


  465.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:01 pm
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Edwards catching Busch, time for NBC to play up Carl's bump-and-run of
Kyle from Richmond in the spring.


  466.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:01 pm
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Hope Kyle holds off Carl but most definitely Edwards is coming


  467.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:02 pm
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27 to go! Edwards is RIGHT BEHIND!


  468.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:02 pm
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He's there!


  469.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:02 pm
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Battle for the championship lead between teammates with 26 to go!


  470.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:02 pm
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25 to go! Busch and Edwards bumper to bumper.


  471.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:02 pm
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I love the different lines you can take around this place.


  472.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:03 pm
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Come on Carl!


  473.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:03 pm
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Edwards takes the championship lead!


  474.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:03 pm
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He got him!

But will Kyle fight back?


  475.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:03 pm
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If Edwards and Busch battle long enough it could bring Logano back into
the picture.


  476.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:04 pm
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Edwards and Busch still battling. 23 to go.


  477.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:04 pm
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Clear!


  478.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:04 pm
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Oh no the Homestead caution-mobile is coming back out on track.


  479.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:04 pm
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Great battle here but I REALLY hope someone doesn't pop a tire in these
last 20 laps...


  480.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:04 pm
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Edwards pulling away.


  481.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:05 pm
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No way we go the rest of the race without someone blowing a tire.


  482.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:06 pm
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You know what's funny? Homestead is starting to remind me of Darlington
with the way people are racing, particularly with how fast you can run
up against the wall, and often we see cars lightly scraping up against it.

Homestead being Darlington Jr.? Might be biased since Darlington is my
home track, but I can totally dig it.


  483.   Will posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:06 pm
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Well, we know this much -- NASCAR is definitely not going to find any
more "debris" on the track today since they've got their best-case
scenario in the works with the laps winding down.

The Toyotas are so dominant (aside from whatever spec engine the 42 is
running) that NASCAR could take the chance of manufacturing some
excitement via another bogus caution, but they won't.


  484.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:07 pm
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Logano over 4 seconds back from Kyle in 4th, Jimmie even farther back in
6th.


  485.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:07 pm
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Hope Carl Edwards can hang on and bring home the title.


  486.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:07 pm
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Homestead is the best mile and a half on the NASCAR circuit.


  487.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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"No way we go the rest of the race without someone blowing a tire."

Or NASCAR throwing a bogus caution.
"GAME SEVEN! TIE GAME! BOTTOM OF NINTH! BASES LOADED!!!"


  488.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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Dylan Lupton has been lapped 16 times on the track without any sort of
mechanical problem or on-track incident.

The #32 team sucks. (Then again, we all knew that...)


  489.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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How long has Larson's speed been at the top of the screen?


  490.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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"If the caution comes out..."

Great tweet by the Orange Cone: "Game 7 moment coming in 3, 2, 1..."


  491.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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Yep.


  492.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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LUPTON BLOWS UP!

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!


  493.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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Knew it.


  494.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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There it is!


  495.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:08 pm
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Damn it!


  496.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:09 pm
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Dylan Lupton wins the $25,000 late caution bonus


  497.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:09 pm
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And speaking of which, Lupton brings out the caution.

I like Kyle Busch's chances now...


  498.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:09 pm
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There's your bogus caution.


  499.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:09 pm
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Caution is out for Dylan Lupton. Thought the 32 team was start and park


  500.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:09 pm
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Yup. Only a matter of time.

The second the yellow was thrown, Rick Allen said, "The caution comes
out! The restart...!"


  501.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:09 pm
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Start and park is banned in Cup


  502.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:09 pm
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It's all up to the pit crews now.


  503.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:10 pm
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These crappy teams need to all retire. They ruin everything. I wanted to
see if Carl could hold off Kyle, they looked even and a close one...


  504.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:10 pm
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A Can-Am car(one of NASCAR's current biggest sponsors) comes out on the
track and brings out a yellow..


  505.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:10 pm
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This is where Larson loses the race, because we have to have one of the
final four also win the race. (I'm totally anticipating it...)


  506.   The Great Dave posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:10 pm
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Two years ago, a caution by Blake Koch in the #32 was the deciding
factor in the championship, this year its the #32 of Dylan Lupton


  507.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:10 pm
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Probably a 99% chance now that the race winner will be the champion.


  508.   Mile501 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Both Leavine Family Racing cars are having a great race. But I'm
curious, because I'm not watching the broadcast...have they even been
mentioned on TV?


  509.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Who craps the bed on this stop?


  510.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Busch lost three spots.


  511.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Disastrous stop for Kyle Busch!


  512.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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BAD stop for Kyle Busch. Wow.


  513.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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The 18 screws up


  514.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Rowdy loses three spots. Larson maintaims the lead!


  515.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Looks like the 18 is the one to mess up.


  516.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Bad pit stop for Kyle Busch!


  517.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:12 pm
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Not enough Coca Cola in the 18 pit box..


  518.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:12 pm
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Kyle Busch's team bombs that pit stop.


  519.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:12 pm
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"Probably a 99% chance now that the race winner will be the champion."

I will gladly eat crow on this prediction.


  520.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:13 pm
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I like Logano now over Edwards with this restart. Feels like Kyle is too
far back now (although, if anyone can make that up it's certainly him)...


  521.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:13 pm
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The 18 is the only one restarting on the outside. This will be
interesting as Carl starts on the inside right in front of Joey and Jimmie.


  522.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:13 pm
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Wow it's over Kyle


  523.   Unser1 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:13 pm
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Looks like all the #32 did was blow a tire but it brought out the yellow.


  524.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:13 pm
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"have they even been mentioned on TV?"

They mentioned Ty once or twice. I don't recall McDowell being mentioned
really.


  525.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:14 pm
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Somebody's getting fired if that costs Kyle the title...


  526.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:14 pm
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Edwards restarts 2nd right? He just needs to get a good start on this
restart.


  527.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:14 pm
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Busch pictures chockes and he loses 3 sports.


  528.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:14 pm
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Doesn't look like history will happen. Biffle got lucky with that caution.

Bowman with a subpar performance this week. Regression to the mean.


  529.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:15 pm
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"Both Leavine Family Racing cars are having a great race. But I'm
curious, because I'm not watching the broadcast...have they even been
mentioned on TV?"

Ty was once, I don't think McDowell has.


  530.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:15 pm
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Restart with 10 to go. Oh boy...


  531.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:15 pm
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They pay tribute to Tony Stewart by showing Kevin Harvick's in-cam.


  532.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:15 pm
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This is basically an All-Star 10-lap shootout.


  533.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Here we go!


  534.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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HOLY CRAP


  535.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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HO
LY
SHIT


  536.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Wow!


  537.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Well then.


  538.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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OH SHIT


  539.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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NASCAR, you got your wish.


  540.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Truex on fire!


  541.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Dang it Logano!

Thank god Truex is ok.


  542.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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JoLo turned the 19. 78 is ablaze.


  543.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Red flag flies.


  544.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Get out Truex!


  545.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:16 pm
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BOUM, big crash, damn...


  546.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:17 pm
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And we just had the big one.


  547.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:17 pm
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f**k you Logano. f**k you. That is it.


  548.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:17 pm
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Is Carl OK? I don't think they showed him get out yet.


  549.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:17 pm
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Well, all hope for a clean controversy free race just went out the window.


  550.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:17 pm
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So Kyle should probably handle Jimmie pretty easily now I guess...


  551.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:17 pm
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Well, NASCAR, you got your wish. You finally got that Chase controversy
for the highlight reels next year. It took you until the last race of
this Chase for it to happen, but you finally got it.

I hope you're proud of yourself.


  552.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Why the hell is the 48 in front of the 18?


  553.   Woodsman posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Nascar officials talking penalty for Logano....


  554.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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f**k Brian France.


  555.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Joey better win this now. He made contact with Keselowski in that it
resulted in the #2 crashing.


  556.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Kyle Busch vs Jimmie Johnson.


  557.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Cool, he's out. Go to hell, Bri-Bri.


  558.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Just when I was starting to warm up to Logano...

Thanks.


  559.   Ralph posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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This is what you get when you have the championship come down to one
race. They need to get rid of the chase altogether


  560.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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#2, 19, 22, 78, 34 & 1 involved?


  561.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Get it Jimmie!


  562.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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Carl is okay.


  563.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:18 pm
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If only there was a way to vote Brian France out of office


  564.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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This is going to give Kyle or Jimmie the title. It's between those two
now really, with Logano having dumped Edwards and Joey himself having
slid far back into the field...


  565.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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Edwards tried to block Logano and got turned. Seriously sucks for
Edwards but he doesn't do that Joey's beside him. It's the nature of the
beast that is this screwed up chase.


  566.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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"f**k you Logano. f**k you. That is it."

He got a huge restart, what do you want him to do? Carl blocked. They're
all going for a championship.


  567.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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Looked like a racing incident to me


  568.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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Screw the Chase. Screw it all.


  569.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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The scenario we were all afraid of just happened. Thanks NASCAR.


  570.   1995z71 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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Silver Spoon Logano doesn't give a F anybody.


  571.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:19 pm
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The worst part is I knew Logano would try to do EXACTLY that. Any
respect I've gained back for that piece of shit is gone. F*ck him.


  572.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:20 pm
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This system brings the worst out of everyone.


  573.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:20 pm
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Can't believe I'm saying this but...go Kyle.


  574.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:20 pm
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"If only there was a way to vote Brian France out of office"

Protests


  575.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:20 pm
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Definitely intentional on Logano's part.


  576.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:20 pm
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Cmon guys really all the Joey Hate


  577.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:20 pm
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Holy shit...Kahne just clobbered Edwards.


  578.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:21 pm
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As much as I don't care for Joey, that was just another unfortunate
racing incident IMO. If I was Joey that's exactly what I would have
done, and the same goes for Carl. Blame double file restarts, gimmick
yellows etc. for crap like this.


  579.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:21 pm
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JESUS, Edwards got clobbered hard by Smith and Kahne. Holy cow.

The day the Chase gets scrapped is the best day ever for this
sport...which means it's never going to happen...


  580.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:21 pm
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Edwards's fault, but really NASCAR's. Yet another thing that wouldn't
happen with a single-file restart...


  581.   Woodsman posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:21 pm
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I agree that was a racing incident but there was Nascar chatter about a
possible penalty...


  582.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:22 pm
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Carl's #19 got some air after it hit the outside wall.

Regan Smith in the Tommy Baldwin Racing #7 was involved in the crash.
What a bummer, that might be that team's last race.


  583.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:22 pm
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I initially blamed Logano, but changed my mind. Either way, they're ALL
schmucks. None of the competitive drivers is likable except Truex.


  584.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:22 pm
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And Regan Smith involved, what a sh... ending for TBR.


  585.   Mr X posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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personally I think carl just gave this away given the race car he has
had under him all night


  586.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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Carl accepts the blame for that wreck. Very professional, he admits he
cut Joey off. Bad break but it's good he owned up to it. That changes
things a bit.


  587.   Woodsman posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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Welp, that settles that....


  588.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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It was definitely Logano's fault. He pushed him down to the inside of
the track.


  589.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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You guys are right, Brian France is one mainly at fault for this. But
still, NO EXCUSE for what Logano just did. Ever.

Carl, stop being so hard on yourself.


  590.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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If Jimmie ends up winning because of NASCAR's crap-show bogus mayhem
causing cautions...


  591.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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There shouldn't be a penalty on the 22. It was just a racing deal, they
were both equally to blame, but neither did anything wrong really.. It's
NASCAR's fault.


  592.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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Where's the infield care center, Orlando?


  593.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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Edwards takes full responsibility and apologizes.

Got to admit, if I was him, that's the last thing I would've done. Great
to see him be a class act about it. It makes me like him even more.

Go get them for 2017 Carl!


  594.   Blue Palaski posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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Screw Logono, what was he trying to do? there was no way two cars could
squeeze into turn one that tight. I feel so bad for Carl, come on JJ!!!


  595.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:23 pm
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"The worst part is I knew Logano would try to do EXACTLY that. Any
respect I've gained back for that piece of shit is gone. F*ck him."

Oh come on. He got a big restart and Carl blocked. Don't blame the
drivers blame this idiotic chase format and double file restarts.

And Carl takes the blame for the accident.


  596.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:24 pm
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Class act move by Edwards to the 22 crew. But GO JIMMIE!


  597.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:24 pm
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Go Kyle! Don't let 6-time troll his way to another championship!


  598.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:24 pm
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"None of the competitive drivers is likable except Truex."

Even after Carl shook 22 Crew Chief Todd Gordon's handle and says to go
win the championship? Especially after how he handled the 2011 loss to
Tony Stewart? Throw Carl Edwards in there.

Either way I'm extremely bummed out.


  599.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:24 pm
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On the plus side, Jimmie can win this now.


  600.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:24 pm
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Good on Carl to own up to it.


  601.   Matt L posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:25 pm
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I have no idea why they threw the caution...the #32 literally just
wiggled and reduced its speed because of a flat tire and NASCAR throws
the caution. Then they restart and wreck. An entire season altered by a
questionable call.


  602.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:25 pm
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Single file restarts are so great, gaining spots on restarts should be
next to impossible because of slow lap cars and being behind everyone
that is to be passed


  603.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:25 pm
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"None of the competitive drivers is likable except Truex."

In your mind only.


  604.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:25 pm
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Make NASCAR great again

Get rid of Brian.


  605.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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Men, the #95 is damaged


  606.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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"Even after Carl shook 22 Crew Chief Todd Gordon's handle"

I mean hands...


  607.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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@601 NASCAR was probably looking for any reason to throw a caution and
they found that


  608.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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I was already planning on ditching cable (even the local channels) and
this was going to be my last current NASCAR race for quite a while.
(I'll still watch IndyCar and I think more sports/touring car races, but
tired of F1 and NASCAR.) I feel better about that decision after this.


  609.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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And yes, kudos to Carl for how he handled that. Couldn't have been
anymore classy. Though as I've said twice now I don't think either of
them were wrong. I just knew when the 32 blew up there would be trouble...


  610.   Tylor Thaber posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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This was gonna happen. These four are racing with their heads up their
asses. No 'you gotta finish better than this if he finishes in the spot
he is in now' or anything like that. Nope, one race determines
everything. This Championship 4 system needs to burn, and I hope Brian
France chokes on the bones of his few supporters.

I will agree that was on both drivers, but every bit of strategy and
placement is gone with this system, it's just whoever finishes better
than their rival.


  611.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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I just gained some respect for Edwards


  612.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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Regardless, a d-bag move by Logano. I can't believe I'm saying this but
I think I now hate him more than Danica, Bowyer, Keselowski and Kyle Busch


  613.   Lucstar88 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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That was a nasty accident.


  614.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:26 pm
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Classy of Edwards to accept fault for the accident...which is more than
I would've done. In this situation I think it would've actually been
somewhat understandable if Carl went apeshit on the #22 team...

The scary thing is there's a very real possibility that NASCAR will
probably bring the caution clock to the Cup series next year, which
means the chances of us getting more BS like this increase
exponentially. But of course they would want that, it gives them
something for the highlight reels...


  615.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:27 pm
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Why did you cheer for a crash Jeff??


  616.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:27 pm
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Chad Knaus cheering as a bunch of dudes piledrive each other in turn
one. Nice.


  617.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:28 pm
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Chad Knaus is no better than the people that only watch for the wrecks.


  618.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:28 pm
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The Day that Brian France steps down as the head of NASCAR will be the
greatest day in the sports history


  619.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:28 pm
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Come on, finish this crap so I can shovel some snow and take the
recyclables out...


  620.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:28 pm
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Is Austin Dillon in contention to win this thing? That would be
something cool.


  621.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:28 pm
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Way to be classy Chad, cheering when Carl's up in the air and Truex's
car is on fire..


  622.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:29 pm
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It's Logano's fault??? Carl was blocking! Logano was stuffed up under
Edwards' rear bumper, what was he supposed to do? He was making a move
to win a championship and it ended up with the 19 in the wall. Jesus,
guys, lay off Logano.


  623.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:29 pm
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Johnson's team cheering is absolutely disgraceful.


  624.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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I don't want anyone to be champion.


  625.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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I do stand by that. I think all the current Cup superstars are classless
except Truex. They all can have moments of class, but generally I think
the rest are all largely insincere most of the time. Then again, NASCAR
wanted what they got with 'boys have at it', which they never really
repealed.


  626.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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'you gotta finish better than this if he finishes in the spot he is in now'

Because watching someone finish 35th or better to win it all is so
interesting


  627.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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NASCAR seems more focused on manufacturing excitement than being a
legitimate sport.


  628.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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Carl calls the accident "racing"


  629.   Lucstar88 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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Did carl call out nascar for that last caution lol


  630.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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Oh man, Carl calling out NASCAR on the BS cautions.


  631.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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Carl gently scolds NASCAR for their yellow throwing policies.


  632.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:32 pm
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" 626. Anonymous posted:
11.20.2016 - 6:31 pm
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'you gotta finish better than this if he finishes in the spot he is in now'

Because watching someone finish 35th or better to win it all is so
interesting"

Yeah, because watching someone go airborne and another burst into flames
is SOOO interesting, right??????????????


  633.   Tylor Thaber posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:32 pm
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...You know what, this season has no champion. No one is worthy...cept
maybe Kyle. Jimmie is, his crew isn't. Carl's out. Joey's unintelligent,
though I admit it was the fault of both the 19 and the 22.

The sad thing is, this season has been amazing. And we're ending it like
this. Go to hell Brian France.


  634.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:32 pm
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"Johnson's team cheering is absolutely disgraceful."

This is the first time we've ever witnessed an team cheering for a big
nasty looking wreck.
And of course it is the 48 team.


  635.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:32 pm
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Just when I feel like gaining respect for Johnson, his team stands up
and applauds jubilantly for this crash getting them back in the hunt for
the title.

Way to go, Chad and the #48 team...Real classy of you. Suddenly I feel a
little less upset at the people who applauded when you wrecked when I
went to Darlington...you just showed yourselves being not much better.


  636.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:32 pm
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"None of the competitive drivers is likable except Truex."

"In your mind only."

More like you're the only one who doesn't like Truex...


  637.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:33 pm
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@627 YouTube races from 2003 and hear all the complaints from fans that
is why nascar is in this position right now


  638.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:33 pm
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I think what he meant by that was that he thought other drivers were
likable, actually.


  639.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:33 pm
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"Carl gently scolds NASCAR for their yellow throwing policies."

Significant monetary fine for Edwards upcoming.


  640.   Tylor Thaber posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:34 pm
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Watch as NASCAR penalizes Carl like how they did with Tony. Oh yeah, and
though I have no source to back me up, I've heard rumblings they haven't
been too happy with what Tommy Joe Martins has been writing...


  641.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:35 pm
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"Just when I feel like gaining respect for Johnson, his team stands up
and applauds jubilantly for this crash getting them back in the hunt for
the title."

Chad cheering for the wreck, as despicable as that is, has literally
nothing to do with Johnson. Unlike Logano cheering when Kenseth wrecked
with Kurt Busch at Martinsville last year.


  642.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:35 pm
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Edwards admits he pulled down to block Logano because he just couldn't
give him the lane. We're all human.


  643.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:35 pm
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When Jimmie crashes fans and teams cheer regardless if they are caught
on camera or not so I call fair game on the #48 team


  644.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:35 pm
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"I think what he meant by that was that he thought other drivers were
likable, actually."

Yes, that is what I meant. Not everyone is perfect, but I will give you
that Truex is a class act.

Kudos to Carl for calling out NASCAR for the debris cautions.


  645.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:35 pm
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The New England Patriots are more likeable then the entire 48 team


  646.   Howard Salwasser posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:36 pm
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Hey Carl,

That was a legitimate caution. Stop Whining.


  647.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:36 pm
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Classy of Carl to own up to his failed block. Regardless I feel terrible
for him since this was his best and possibly last chance to win the
championship. Ultimately blame for this lies with Brian France and
NASCAR and not the drivers. They came up with this idiotic format which
encourages drivers to make risky moves like this. In a perfect world the
chase either wouldn't exist or would be the original 2004-2006 format
but it is what it is.


  648.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:37 pm
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Anyone want to create a petition?


  649.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:37 pm
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I thought yesterday was bad with the late yellow and then with what
happened on the restart.... Again NASCAR throws a questionable yellow (I
don't think there was anything on the track when they threw it) and then
this restart happens. While it was a racing deal, It makes me sick that
that restart probably shouldn't have even happened in the first place.


  650.   Howard Salwasser posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:37 pm
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What #647 said/


  651.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:37 pm
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"I've heard rumblings they haven't been too happy with what Tommy Joe
Martins has been writing..."

BOO FRIGGIN HOO, let me play a song for them on the world's smallest
violin...


  652.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:37 pm
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Um, I still prefer it to the previous chase format because if you're
going to have a playoff, make it an actual PLAYOFF. But maybe I am
getting about ready to change my mind...


  653.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:37 pm
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Remember, I think playoffs in all sports are stupid to begin with.


  654.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:37 pm
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I swear the red-flag clean-up crew gets paid by the hour.


  655.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:38 pm
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That's what this playoff format has caused, sad to say.

All the more reason that fans are leaving NASCAR. But I have a sinking
feeling that this format will be here to stay, sadly.


  656.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:38 pm
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Logano haters out in full force today, I see. Racing deal, nothing more
or less.


  657.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:39 pm
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It took 9 3/4ths controversy free races to make me think maybe this
"winner take all" Chase format wasn't such an awful idea.

It took 1 restart to completely crush those thoughts. And the scary
thing is...we're not done! What on earth is going to happen now...

Of course NASCAR is no doubt loving this. I can just picture Brian
France right now with a huge smug smirk on his face thinking to himself:
"YES! THIS is what I was hoping for when I decided we'd go to this
format. ENTERTAINMENT! EXCITEMENT! DRAMA! MAN, I am a genius!"


  658.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:39 pm
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This has basically become on the level of the movie "Rollerball"...


  659.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:39 pm
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After seeing how well received it would be around here, I think I want
the 48 to win the championship.

I really don't want Kyle to win after how he has bullied Danica at times
this year.


  660.   Tylor Thaber posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:39 pm
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You know, Jimmie's crew cheering made me think of what that little turd
for brains (don't recall his name, it's on the tip of my tongue though)
posted awhile back, basically, 'I'D BE OKAY WITH JIMMIE DYING IF DALE
SR. CAME BACK'. Wonder how they'd feel about that...the fact that you
have even the slightest inkling that there is a miniscule chance of them
not responding to that comment with utter disgust at the disregard for
human life it shows is...sickening.

Know what, NASCAR Cup, you can go to hell. Sticking to the lower series
from here on out, because they at least put on good shows and the
drivers, while sometimes bratty ahem Gray Gaulding, are entertaining.


  661.   John posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:39 pm
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This crash is the death of the caution clock in Cup. I think this crash
showed to people that we are currently on the limit of manufactured
drama (and I'm in favor of this version of the Chase over the non-chase
points system I didn't like the old Chase because the regular season
didn't mean anything but with this system the bonus points in first
round are HUGE, Kyle wouldn't of won title last year).


  662.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:39 pm
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"The New England Patriots are more likeable then the entire 48 team"

I personally find both teams likeable if you can get over your "Waaaaah
they win too much" attitude. Okay, maybe not Chad.


  663.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:39 pm
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As far as the 48 team cheering when that crash happened, I'm pretty sure
they were happy Jimmie got through the wreck unscathed and in a good
position. I don't think they were cheering because of the wreck. Once
they saw the viciousness of the crash, they probably were subdued.


  664.   Howard Salwasser posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:40 pm
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#653 poster is a fan of European Football.


  665.   Not Sure posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:40 pm
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NASCAR trying to get the race into Football in America's airtime is the
only explanation for how long the clean up is taking.


  666.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:40 pm
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"Um, I still prefer it to the previous chase format because if you're
going to have a playoff, make it an actual PLAYOFF. But maybe I am
getting about ready to change my mind..."

I agree.
If we are gonna have a playoff in NASCAR it should be an actual playoff
and not a caution flag with ten to go.


  667.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:40 pm
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Of course NASCAR is no doubt loving this. I can just picture Brian
France right now with a huge smug smirk on his face thinking to himself:
"YES! THIS is what I was hoping for when I decided we'd go to this
format. ENTERTAINMENT! EXCITEMENT! DRAMA! MAN, I am a genius!"

So genius that he's an hour or so away from his primary series being
sponsor-less.


  668.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:41 pm
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Funny enough, this is the furthest Massaro has been from Knaus all day.


  669.   Howard Salwasser posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:41 pm
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"As far as the 48 team cheering when that crash happened, I'm pretty
sure they were happy Jimmie got through the wreck unscathed and in a
good position. I don't think they were cheering because of the wreck.
Once they saw the viciousness of the crash, they probably were subdued."

This. A thousand times this.


  670.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:41 pm
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Seriously though, no matter what, this race and the ensuing title result
will forever have a cloud over it(of course, as I've said I stopped
really taking it seriously in January of 2014, but for those who do
still take it seriously,heh..), and as many times as we've had
controversies and bad stuff happen that affected the championship, this
is the first time we've had something like this happen in the LAST race.
With the format the way it is this was an eventual inevitability, and
it's crap like this that drives people away and one of the biggest
reasons I don't follow this sport obsessively anymore. I will still
watch NASCAR, don't worry, but I'll be taking it even less seriously the
next time I watch. Every year there has to be some BS controversy like
this, this was the worst.


  671.   Tylor Thaber posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:41 pm
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@651 ...That's actually the response I was looking for. It's so expected
of NASCAR to limit criticism from its competitors nowadays that I really
just can't be asked to take them seriously.


  672.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:42 pm
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25 minutes under red.


  673.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:42 pm
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At this point, I want Kyle Busch of all people to win the championship.
Johnson ran like hot garbage for 1/3 of the season and after that
incident, and Logano winning definetly wouldn't feel good after what
just happened (not that he'd have a chance though, he's probably going
to have to pit). Plus, Kyle has had the best season by far. Go #18.

And...wait for it...the Chase is a joke.


  674.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:42 pm
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Agree that Kyle should win. He's been the best guy all year.


  675.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:43 pm
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Logano crashed his teammate too.


  676.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:43 pm
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Kyle Busch will now be the lone warrior scoring the most Top 5 in the
2016 season regardless of where he finish. Scoring one tonight will
grant him 18 Top 5, 50% of the races now that Brad Keselowski is out of
this race.

Kyle had 16 Top 5, tied with Jimmie Johnson back in 2013 also..


  677.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:44 pm
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Alright, NASCAR, it's been almost 30 minutes. Let's get back to racing now.


  678.   HouseOfPenske posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:44 pm
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Not surprised to see everybody jump on Logano before they see what
really happened.


  679.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:44 pm
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Wait a minute there people actually rooting for Kyle that's a first.


  680.   John posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:44 pm
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Happy all of the drivers are ok after that crash those were some really
bad hits.


  681.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:44 pm
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Damn why did they have to throw a caution for Lupton.


  682.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:45 pm
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#667

Well, I did mention earlier that I dreamed last night Trojan condoms
stepped in to sponsor NASCAR...

I don't know what a dream like that is supposed to mean. Obviously that
will never happen because having a condom company sponsor the sport will
ruffle too many feathers. Maybe it's a representation of how much faith
I've found myself slowly losing in this sport, and that as long as Brian
France is around we're completely screwed...?

Or maybe I'm just trying to look into my own bizarre dreams too much...


  683.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:46 pm
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"Logano crashed his teammate too."

Logano crashed nobody, it was a racing deal. Jesus Christ people. The
Kenseth Kansas crash at least had some grey area to it; this one
doesn't. At all.


  684.   Lucstar88 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:46 pm
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@Tylor I really don't want to come as an a** but if you do plan to not
watch Cup races anymore, you probably shouldn't comment on them next
year. You'd look like a real hypocrite.

I get why you wouldn't, I don't blame you, but please don't be like
numerous people i've seen saying screw this, and come daytona time,
they're like.

YEAH DAYTONA.


  685.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:47 pm
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Watch NASCAR wait too long and get kicked off NBC proper.


  686.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:47 pm
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@681

I know. It looked like Danica would be able to run down and pass Biffle
but that caution was timed terribly. Lupton wasn't even putting debris
down. NASCAR threw the caution so it could tighten up the field and have
their "excitement."


  687.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:47 pm
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The chase doesn't necessarily tick me off about how NASCAR is being run
it's the BS like the caution clock, fake debris cautions, etc.


  688.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:48 pm
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Finally back to green.


  689.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:48 pm
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Cars are rolling again.


  690.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:48 pm
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Does the track really need THAT much cleanup to get back to green?

Are they really trying to cut into Football Night in America's views to
increase their own ratings? (Granted, I *STILL* think it's silly that
people would get butthurt over missing a pre-game show featuring the
talking heads discuss the games of today when you could already find out
everything you wanted to know online, but still...)


  691.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:48 pm
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Holy crap they are moving!
Red-flag lifted!


  692.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:48 pm
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After having some time to think, id say it's 50/50. It's a battle for a
championship, I just hate it for all involved.


  693.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:48 pm
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The red flag should not have taken this long.


  694.   Pacer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:49 pm
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The pace truck today is a new 2017 Ford Raptor.


  695.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:49 pm
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I will say this: Edwards gained a lot of respect from me tonight. One of
the best examples of sportsmanship I've seen in this sport.


  696.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:50 pm
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"I get why you wouldn't, I don't blame you, but please don't be like
numerous people i've seen saying screw this, and come daytona time,
they're like.

YEAH DAYTONA."

I see two reasons for this:

1) They're not really fans and let it get to their head too easily, much
like the thumbs down issue on here and the trolls

2) Attention seekers.

"Logano crashed nobody, it was a racing deal. Jesus Christ people. The
Kenseth Kansas crash at least had some grey area to it; this one
doesn't. At all."

This. I am definitely one of the most cheerful person cheering for Carl
to win it all tonight, yet the rest wanted Kyle/Joey (the rightful
"heir" to win instead) and now they're ditching Joey and then believe he
doesn't deserve it anymore (Kevin Harvick at Talladega in 2015, anyone?).


  697.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:50 pm
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That was a 31 minute, 9 second red flag. That does seem a little long
given it didn't look like the wall was damaged, probably just want to
make sure the track is perfect for the end.


  698.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:52 pm
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BTW NASCAR let's just run down all the laps we have left under yellow..


  699.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:52 pm
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Massive crash on a restart wipes out championship contenders and causes
us all to cringe a little.

Danica10Racer's response to all this: "So how about Danica?"

*facepalm*


  700.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:53 pm
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22 and everyone behind him pits


  701.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:54 pm
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Not everybody's an attention seeker for saying they're going to stop
watching.

Opinions can be sincerely felt at the time and not in retrospect. I am
planning on dumping my cable entirely though as my two year deal just
ended, but not only or primarily for this reason.


  702.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:54 pm
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I don't like this for the 48 and 18...everyone behind the 22 pitted, he
might have the best car now...


  703.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:54 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-LfZaQpKmc

2:55


  704.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:55 pm
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I changed my mind after the stream skipped ahead and I accidentally
found out Carl Edwards crashed. This looks like it's shaping up to be an
exciting shootout.


  705.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:55 pm
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Johnson will have the preferred line. Come on, lets do this!


  706.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:55 pm
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Alright, one to go for the restart.


  707.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:55 pm
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Let's go Brian Scott!


  708.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:55 pm
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Everyone from Logano on back pitted. Joey's crew got the #22 fixed, they
may not QUITE be out of this yet. Although them winning the title after
what's happened would NOT be a popular victory...

I'm not going to up and quit with the sport just because of this, but I
am severely bummed out by this whole incident. I thought maybe-just
maybe-we could actually have a nice, almost totally controversy-free
Chase for once under this format. We came within just 10 laps-10
tantalizing laps-of that happening. And then this. Talk about a kick in
the balls...


  709.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:55 pm
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Logano restarting 8th with fresh tires. Could be big!

Restart with five laps to go, Harvick and Larson 1-2, then Kyle Busch
and Jimmie Johnson third and fourth.


  710.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:56 pm
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"I don't like this for the 48 and 18...everyone behind the 22 pitted, he
might have the best car now..."

I don't know.
He's only got like two lap fresher tires and some damage lesser track
position.


  711.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:56 pm
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Green with 5 to go!

Let's hope this goes well.


  712.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:56 pm
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Logano's going to win this thing and the 17 crashes!


  713.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:56 pm
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Stenhouse crashes!


  714.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:57 pm
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Another BS yellow. Seriously?


  715.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:57 pm
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Joey has it in the bag.


  716.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:57 pm
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Classy move by Hamlin and Kenseth as they did not try any attempt any
sort of dirty move to block Logano when Joey got a great start.


  717.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:57 pm
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Caution for Stenhouse crashing off turn 4!

Logano got all the way to 3rd when that happened. Holy cow. He looks
like he's still in this, after all...


  718.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:57 pm
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Steakhouse Jr spins!


  719.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:57 pm
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Welp i might be wrong.
Joey might have this.


  720.   Lucstar88 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:58 pm
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17 is killed. Good call, saw oil dropping.

Shocked that 1) Jimmie stayed ahead of the 18
2) THAT 22 CAR


  721.   Pacer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:58 pm
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"Caution for Stenhouse crashing off turn 4!"

Turn 2


  722.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:58 pm
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Oh snap. The 18 pits.


  723.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:58 pm
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Mcdowell 10th!!


  724.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:58 pm
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18 pits, but a lot of others stayed out this time.


  725.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:58 pm
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18 comes down to get tires. No brainer for them, but it's over anyway.


  726.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:58 pm
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Michael McDowell is having a great race


  727.   Pacer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:59 pm
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Rowdy pits for fresh rubber, gambling on new tires for the
green-white-checker but he's going to lose some spots on this.


  728.   Baxter posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:59 pm
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They held off a while before throwing that caution. Jimmie was in front.
They threw a caution for Lupton blowing a tire immediately even though
there was no damage. Jimmie was far back. Coincidence?


  729.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:59 pm
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Let me rephrase that, the caution was warranted but not after he had it
refired.


  730.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:59 pm
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No way Joey doesn't win this on fresher tires.


  731.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 6:59 pm
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Good. Kyle is further away from the championship.

Put the camera on his wife, I want to see her sad face.


  732.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:00 pm
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Kyle chooses to pit with a GWC...and with almost nobody else coming to
pit road with him.

I could be wrong, but to me that seems like a TERRIBLE move by Kyle and
his crew. Although Logano came blaring through the field on this restart
so I could end up eating my words...


  733.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:00 pm
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Larson leads. He's really good at Homestead. Imagine if he had made the
championship four...


  734.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:00 pm
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Brian Scott is 11th as he gets ready to retire.


  735.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:00 pm
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Kyle's done.


  736.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:01 pm
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I know Logano winning would not be popular, after people accused him of
intentionally wrecking Carl (which he did not), but he is certainly the
most deserving of it, especially over the 48.


  737.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:01 pm
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Trophy presentation will be on NBCSN after the race so NBC can switch as
close to on-time as possible to Football Night in America.


  738.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:01 pm
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Anyone but Jimmie (so Logano basically)


  739.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:01 pm
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Great, Logano has this locked up. Its over.


  740.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:02 pm
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Green.


  741.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:02 pm
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PLEASE let us not have another ugly restart this time. Pretty PLEASE
everybody...


  742.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:02 pm
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Damn it.


  743.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:02 pm
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JJ takes the lead.


  744.   murb posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:02 pm
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Ugh.


  745.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:02 pm
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Yeah!


  746.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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Johnson wins his 7th championship!


  747.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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It's over...congratulations, Jimmie Johnson!


  748.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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Johnson gets #7.


  749.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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what total BS the cheater wins what crap


  750.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!


  751.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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Way to go NASCAR.
You got your boy 7.


  752.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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F*** you Brian France.


  753.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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Oh joy. Johnson wins his 7th title. Yippee.


  754.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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I don't believe it! McDowell put that #59 in 10th place! What a run!


  755.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:03 pm
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Holy s... Johnson wins!


  756.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:04 pm
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The 2016 Ford Ecoboost 400 puts the 1992 Hooters 500 to shame.


  757.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:04 pm
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Jimmie Johnson can thank NASCAR heavily for that. But I CAN'T believe
Joey didn't do better there! What happened to him, I thought he had it
for sure.


  758.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:04 pm
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Jimmie wins and Danica sneaks into the top 20 with a 19th.

Great bounce back day guys.

The RR crowd is salty. This is a win-win-win for me.


  759.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:04 pm
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Danica up to 22nd, she could possibly end up with a top 20 after a bad
day. Nice rebound from a bad day to end on a good note.


  760.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:04 pm
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This is going to be a FUN offseason!


  761.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:04 pm
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YES LETS GO JIMMIE!!!!
Please note Michael McDowell got a top 10


  762.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:05 pm
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Logano was too passive in the first turn and it cost him. The wrong
driver won the championship tonight, but eh, par for the course for
NASCAR these days.


  763.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:05 pm
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Bowman 16th, okay..


  764.   Drakion posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:05 pm
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Im done, completely done with Nascar, not only does cheating Johnson get
the championship but the win, good bye Nascar, hope you burn to the
ground like you deserve.

Drakion out, Nascar fan 1996 - 2016


  765.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:05 pm
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"The 2016 Ford Ecoboost 400 puts the 1992 Hooters 500 to shame."

Hell no.


  766.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:05 pm
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Congratulations Jimmie 7 time champion way to go


  767.   Jared DiCarlo posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:05 pm
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FUUUUUCK
I f**king called it
You owe me five bucks, Dad


  768.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:06 pm
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It's hard for me to appreciate this moment. That team struggled so hard
most of the year, and even tonight in this race, they weren't the best car.

But this faulty format has given Jimmie a record-tying seventh
championship.

I'm gonna put on a happy face and congratulate Jimmie on his title. He
is no doubt a NASCAR legend.


  769.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:06 pm
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The RR crowd is salty. This is a win-win-win for me.

So you wanna see Jimmie naked too?


  770.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:06 pm
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Danica10Racer just admitted he's only happy when EVERYBODY else here is
angry and upset. What a class act you are, sir. Hope that's not the
attitude you display in real life, because if it is, I'd be amazed if
you have any friends at all.


  771.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:06 pm
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There goes the 5 way tie for most wins now that Jimmie won 5 times this
season. Kevin and Kyle can't catch a break winning the most races in a
year.

Congratulations to Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Chad Knaus, the entire
48 crew and Hendrick Motorsports.

Jimmie Johnson wins his first ever Homestead race.

At least Jimmie didn't win the two races and sandbagged the other 24, I
guess.


  772.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:06 pm
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The last of the Smoke blows away, Tony Stewart's Cup career is over.
Thank you for the memories Tony and good luck with your new adventures.


  773.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:07 pm
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98 days until Daytona


  774.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:07 pm
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I'm not even mad. I didn't think Johnson deserved this from a
statistical standpoint, but he absolutely earned that win.

We have just witnessed a legendary event. I've got chills.


  775.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:07 pm
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Johnson's 80th win.

On the bright side, I can say that Johnson is better than Earnhardt now...


  776.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:07 pm
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Congratulations to Jimmie Johnson for winning his 7th championship and
making history!


  777.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:07 pm
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This race was a kick in the nuts for us true fans. Left a sick feeling
in my heart.


  778.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:07 pm
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Jimmie Johnson = Tom Brady = Goat


  779.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:07 pm
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98 days until Daytona...


  780.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:08 pm
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Congrats to Jimmie Johnson on clinching championship number seven.


  781.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:08 pm
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Jimmie Johnson = Tom Brady = Goat


  782.   rwr posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:08 pm
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98 days until Daytona"

Phil Parsons likes this number


  783.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:09 pm
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You may now call him "Seven Time". Congrats legend, you've earned it!


  784.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:09 pm
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Well congrats to Jimmie and the 48 team.

F NASCAR and their manipulation races.
The battle was between the 19 & 18 and the 48 was not even close for 95%
of the race.


  785.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:11 pm
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@770

After how you people have treated me, I can take a small amount of
happiness in this.


  786.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:12 pm
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That being said, my heart breaks for Carl. He deserved it today. 2008,
2011, and this might be the closest call of all of them.


  787.   Blue Palaski posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:12 pm
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MR. 7-time,7-time,7-time,7-time,7-time,7-time,7-time champion!!


  788.   SJ posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:13 pm
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lupton caution was pure bs


  789.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:14 pm
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Holy crap I worded 756 in the worst way possible...I meant that this
race was a farce, not the other way around.

Well, congrats to Jimmie I guess. I wanted to see him get #7, but not in
his worst season ever...


  790.   Tide1732 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:14 pm
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Bye Bye Stweart and Scott

#ThanksForMemoriesSmoke
#ThanksToMemoriesBrian

AND COMING TO #48-8


  791.   BR549 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:15 pm
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I think we can just agree our sport is a sad state when they hurry up to
get an interview in with the champion so we can get to an irreverent pre
game show.

By NBCs standard Week whatever they are on pregame show > A champion
being decided.


  792.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:15 pm
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Okay Johnson.

Next career goal

ROAD TO 105!


  793.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:16 pm
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Not a championship note but Danica really showed a lot today battling
back from starting in the 30's to finishing 19th. Not something people
will talk about because it's only a decent result but she did a
fantastic job considering how bad the car was.

A nice way to end the season for Danica. I wish she could get around
Biffle to set history yet again but she will have another good crack at
it next year.


  794.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:17 pm
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And I get proved to be right once again, this place is still every bit
the Johnson hate cesspool (as The Long Shot dubbed it) that it was in
2013. Cry yourselves a river. He is a seven time champion and there is
nothing you can do about it. I'll have some of your tears with dinner
tonight.

Of course I know why most of you are so salty, its because he's already
surpassed your precious Jeffie's legacy (the cumulative favorite driver
of RR) and you can't just wrap your heads around it.


  795.   DB1995 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:17 pm
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What a fantastically shitty way to end a shitty season. I hope NASCAR
wises up and gets rid of the chase.


  796.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:17 pm
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"I think we can just agree our sport is a sad state when they hurry up
to get an interview in with the champion so we can get to an irreverent
pre game show.

By NBCs standard Week whatever they are on pregame show > A champion
being decided."

Your NBC provider switched to the pre-game show too??? No interviews, no
trophy ceremony, no nothing for me.


  797.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:17 pm
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"On the bright side, I can say that Johnson is better than Earnhardt now..."

Yes winning with the same team and crew chief for your whole career with
is better than winning with multiple teams and crew cheifs.


  798.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:17 pm
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I will say this for Johnson. I give him ALL the credit for stepping up
in big pressure situations during this year's Chase. First to punch his
ticket in to Round 3, first to punch his ticket in to the final 4.
Stepped up on the final restart, took the lead, hung on, and won. Cannot
take credit away from for that, like him or not, he is one of the most
talented drivers of this generation. (Though hearing me say that will
probably make half of the people here puke all over their computer
screens and/or get me called a shill.)

But man...I really feel not too happy about this title. Look at the
AWFUL summer stretch he and the ENTIRE Hendrick program endured. Without
question this is his weakest of his 7 titles. It really does feel like,
this time, the wrong person won the title. Logano and Kyle would've been
more deserving (even though I don't care much for either of them), and
Carl would've been a nice sentimental story after that crushing loss on
a tiebreaker in '11. All three of them had better overall years than
Johnson.

In conclusion...while I do think Johnson being rated up there with
Petty/Earnhardt is perfectly reasonable and understandable...I'd rather
wish he hadn't won this title. Though most of all I think I am
disappointed this race had to end in such a massive fustercluck after we
went 99% of the Chase WITHOUT excessive BS. After seeing a mostly clean
race only to see it end up like...that...you bet I'm feeling bummed.

Oh well. "It is as it is", as they say. It's over, it's done, it's
happened. Jimmie is a 7-time title winner whether we like it or
not...and we have to live with that; complaining or crying won't change
a thing. Congratulations to Jimmie and the #48 team, I guess...although
I now dislike this Chase format even MORE than I did before.

Disappointed with how this season ENDED, but for the most part, I felt
2016 was a definite improvement on the previous years from a competition
standpoint. It was a fun, entertaining, and sometimes trying year...and
I'll see all of you (well, all those of you who stick around after this
one since I know several of you have just opted out) next February for
the 59th Daytona 500. Hopefully the start of an even better year than
this one!


  799.   Ralph posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:18 pm
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NASCAR needs to go back to regular points for the entire season. No
chase, no elimainaton bs


  800.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:19 pm
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"Yes winning with the same team and crew chief for your whole career
with is better than winning with multiple teams and crew cheifs."

Except that he did it all in 6 less years and didn't have a reputation
for rough driving.


  801.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:20 pm
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Like it or not we've just witnessed history maybe not the good kind of
history but history nonetheless


  802.   Chad's Hair Plugs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:22 pm
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Your NBC provider switched to the pre-game show too??? No interviews, no
trophy ceremony, no nothing for me.

On mine, they drove(I assume)Snider to turn 3, got Dos Jotas out of the
car and interviewed him for 30 seconds behind the pace truck by himself.
A fitting end to this disgrace of a championship format.


  803.   LI85 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:23 pm
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Yes, yes, yes!! Congrats to 7-time!

I love how Jimmie winning turns everyone into big babies.


  804.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:24 pm
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"And I get proved to be right once again, this place is still every bit
the Johnson hate cesspool (as The Long Shot dubbed it) that it was in
2013. Cry yourselves a river. He is a seven time champion and there is
nothing you can do about it. I'll have some of your tears with dinner
tonight.

Of course I know why most of you are so salty, its because he's already
surpassed your precious Jeffie's legacy (the cumulative favorite driver
of RR) and you can't just wrap your heads around it."

Only reason I'm dissapointed is because this the only year of Johnson's
career where he literally had no business winning the title. 16 top 10's
is the fewest amount in ANY championship season, excluding Busch last year.

You're probably going to say that you like the Chase next, right?


  805.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:24 pm
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"And I get proved to be right once again, this place is still every bit
the Johnson hate cesspool (as The Long Shot dubbed it) that it was in
2013. Cry yourselves a river. He is a seven time champion and there is
nothing you can do about it. I'll have some of your tears with dinner
tonight.

Of course I know why most of you are so salty, its because he's already
surpassed your precious Jeffie's legacy (the cumulative favorite driver
of RR) and you can't just wrap your heads around it."


Wow you sure showed them...


  806.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:25 pm
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"And I get proved to be right once again, this place is still every bit
the Johnson hate cesspool (as The Long Shot dubbed it) that it was in
2013. Cry yourselves a river. He is a seven time champion and there is
nothing you can do about it. I'll have some of your tears with dinner
tonight.

Of course I know why most of you are so salty, its because he's already
surpassed your precious Jeffie's legacy (the cumulative favorite driver
of RR) and you can't just wrap your heads around it."

Bandwagon fans like you don't get to lecture us. I'll defend the
legitimacy of Johnson's title, but don't act superior to the rest of us
just because you decided to pull for the eventual record-tying champion
a few weeks in advance.


  807.   RaceFanX posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:26 pm
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Tony Stewart finished 22nd, one lap down, in his final Cup race.


  808.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:27 pm
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To all you people whining about NBC going to the football game pre-show:

Those are two important teams that are in the league that has the most
fans of any sport in America.

NASCAR has two superstar drivers that matter outside of auto racing or
that a diehard sports fan would know. One of those drivers was sidelined
with a concussion and the other is not in the chase.

This is as much as NASCAR's problem as anybody else. They pretty much
had to beg the most important auto racer in America to come race in
their series.


  809.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:27 pm
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A nice little feel-good story for the off-season (well, I thought so...)

Michael McDowell eked out a top-10 finish thanks to the massive crash
and guys like Kyle pitting late. For a smaller team like Leavine Family
Racing to get a top 10, at a NON-plate track (even if it was through a
huge amount of luck rolling their way)...gotta feel really good for them
right now.


  810.   Baxter posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:29 pm
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Great job for McDowell getting a top 10! He better have a ride next
year. Allmendinger gets one as well.


  811.   cjs3872 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:29 pm
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I'm not sure anyone's mentioned this, but with Jimmie Johnson tying
Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt, Sr. with seven championships there's
one odd link that connects all three of NASCAR's 7-time champions. The
man who's legacy links all three is another racing legend, Dan Gurney.
Of course, Johnson has recorded all 80 wins and seven championships
driving the car #48, a car number synonymous with Gurney throughout his
racing career in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, as both a driver and a car
owner. But Gurney has links to both Petty and Dale, Sr., as well. In
1980, the year Dale, Sr. first won the NASCAR championship as a
sophomore, in one of the races at Riverside, CA, Dan Gurney came out of
retirement to race for Rod Osterlund, who was also from California, and
that effectively made Gurney Earnhardt's teammate for that one race, and
Earnhardt probably learned a lot about road racing from Gurney that
weekend. In addition, Gurney built the engines for Richard Petty in
1985, as Gurney was associated with Petty's car owner, Mike Curb
(another link between Petty and Earnhardt), as Curb's IndyCar team was
running Gurney's Eagles at that time. Likely because of that
association, Gurney built the engines Petty raced with in 1985 before
Petty returned to Petty Enterprises for 1986.

So, believe it or not, there's a link between Dan Gurney and all three
of NASCAR's 7-time champions. An engine building link with Petty for one
year, being a one-race teammate of Earnhardt, and Jimmie Johnson running
Gurney's famous #48 all these years.


  812.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:29 pm
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Jimmie Johnson winning his 7th championship as the final year for
Nextel/Sprint Cup sponsor? I think this makes for a nice story now that
I look at it.

Joey will get his time. I still hope Carl will too. Everyone else right
now I don't think deserves to be a "Cup Champion" so far. They better
hurry before the next stars show up and start winning.


  813.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:29 pm
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"Except that he did it all in 6 less years and didn't have a reputation
for rough driving."

Sr rookie year was 79 he won his 7th in 94. It took Jimmie from 02-16 to
do it so he did it in one less year. Dale also did it in far lesser
equipment than Jimmie has done it in. If you don't agree on the
equipment part look at RCR's stats take away Dale and Kevin Harvick and
RCR has something like 16 wins as a team. Dale made RCR not the other
way around. Then of course there's the fact Jimmie has benefited greatly
from the Chase. Don't get me wrong I feel he's still a 4 or 5 time champ
with out the playoff format, but hes not at 7 without it.


  814.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:30 pm
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Overall, 2016 was a very good year for NASCAR, little controversy and
lots of exciting races. Far, far better than 2015.

This race was shaping up to be a good one until 10 laps to go, when it
all fell apart.

Johnson was the least deserving champion of the bunch, due to his
inconsistency and AWFUL summer stretch. It's now 2 straight years
without a deserving champion, he performed the weakest.


  815.   John posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:31 pm
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"We have just witnessed a legendary event. I've got chills."

This is exactly how I am feeling. Chills. I love dynasties and seeing
something that I will probably never see again in my lifetime. Much
better than parity in my opinion.

I would what DaleSrFanForever is thinking...


  816.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:31 pm
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I hope Jimmie Johnson never wins another championship again, I've been
wishing that for the past three years and now but after tonight it makes
want it even more. Thumbs up if you agree.


  817.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:31 pm
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Get ready for worse rating and attendance next year RIGCAR.


  818.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:32 pm
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"And I get proved to be right once again, this place is still every bit
the Johnson hate cesspool (as The Long Shot dubbed it) that it was in
2013. Cry yourselves a river. He is a seven time champion and there is
nothing you can do about it. I'll have some of your tears with dinner
tonight.

Of course I know why most of you are so salty, its because he's already
surpassed your precious Jeffie's legacy (the cumulative favorite driver
of RR) and you can't just wrap your heads around it."

Oh put a sock in it. You're band-wagoning like nobody's business because
he beat your least favorite driver in the clutch, that's all there is to
it. I don't know what to say, he's simply not the most deserving of this
championship. Nothing to do with personal dislike of the guy, he just
took advantage of every single flaw in NASCAR's bullshit system (with
some sheer dumb luck to boot) and rode it to a fairly undeserving title.


  819.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:32 pm
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"You're probably going to say that you like the Chase next, right?"

Why would I say that if it isn't true?


"Bandwagon fans like you don't get to lecture us. I'll defend the
legitimacy of Johnson's title, but don't act superior to the rest of us
just because you decided to pull for the eventual record-tying champion
a few weeks in advance."

So I'm not allowed to cheer for my favorite out of the people who were
left? That's like saying I can't cheer for anyone in the Super Bowl if
my team doesn't make it.


  820.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:33 pm
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"Sr rookie year was 79 he won his 7th in 94. It took Jimmie from 02-16
to do it so he did it in one less year"

Fair enough, but I was mainly comparing the entirety of his career
(79-00), mostly due to each of their win totals as well.

Well anyways...Johnson stepped it up when he needed to, but I don't even
know what the term "champion" means anymore in this sport...


  821.   Baxter posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:33 pm
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@812, I think Truex should be a champ too. He certainly has turned FRR
to a top team.

Anyway, Also notable that McDowell wrapped up his best season ever in
the cup series.


  822.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:34 pm
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"And I get proved to be right once again, this place is still every bit
the Johnson hate cesspool (as The Long Shot dubbed it) that it was in
2013. Cry yourselves a river. He is a seven time champion and there is
nothing you can do about it. I'll have some of your tears with dinner
tonight.

Of course I know why most of you are so salty, its because he's already
surpassed your precious Jeffie's legacy (the cumulative favorite driver
of RR) and you can't just wrap your heads around it."

You tell them chevyfan98. We might have had our differences in the past
but I fully support your comment here. The RR community is just too
salty over this victory.


  823.   Ty posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:34 pm
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Been a NASCAR fan for all 26 years of my life. And I'm just done. NASCAR
got what they wanted, we should all applaud them. Viewership and
attendance was terrible this year and it's gonna be worse next year.
Hopefully they see the correlation between the two. They lost a lifelong
fan in me.


  824.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:34 pm
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And I might as well say, I lost a great deal of respect for chevyfan98
just now. I've always been irritated at the DanicaLover/Mannoroth types
who always act all smug and superior to everyone else ("NASCAR had to
beg for THE most important driver in American auto racing history to
come race for them"-If Danica is America's most important driver right
now, then the future of American motorsports is a bleak one...)...here
you are acting just like them. Lecturing everyone down for being upset
over Johnson winning his 7th title like that? I really thought better of
you than that, man...

Granted, I too will be one of the first to say Jimmie is worthy of 7
titles. Totally is, whether you like it or not. But like I said, I would
much rather have had it come under different circumstances than this. I
think that's more why a lot of people here are upset, if anything
(although I will admit some people are no doubt upset BECAUSE they hate
Johnson that much, that I will spot you...)


  825.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:35 pm
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"Oh put a sock in it. You're band-wagoning like nobody's business
because he beat your least favorite driver in the clutch, that's all
there is to it."

I was cheering for Johnson to win it ever since Chase Elliott got
eliminated four weeks ago. Try again.


  826.   John posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:35 pm
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This site would be so much better if this site didn't have so much
fighting, complaining, and name calling. I can't help but think it
drives the people who don't like these things away. At least some of them.


  827.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:37 pm
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"Nothing to do with personal dislike of the guy, he just took advantage
of every single flaw in NASCAR's bullshit system"

Bascially how he's won every one of his championships. But he deserves
credit for that.

"So I'm not allowed to cheer for my favorite out of the people who were
left?"

I didn't say anything even remotely resembling that.


  828.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:38 pm
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"And I might as well say, I lost a great deal of respect for chevyfan98
just now. I've always been irritated at the DanicaLover/Mannoroth types
who always act all smug and superior to everyone else"

Does the Giant part of your username represent your ego? Good lord, just
let him enjoy it because this place is a Johnson cesspool. That's the
only reason I was rooting for him other than to prevent Kyle from
winning. You guys are way too salty over this win.

Let him celebrate, don't be such a prude and the fun police about it.


  829.   TS1420 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:38 pm
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Yes Jimmie is a 7 time champion but lets not act like they are on the
same level as Petty or Earnhardt's.
They didn't need a caution flag on the season nor a bogus caution flag
in the final race to get them to 7.

Congrats to Jimmie again but come on.
These same people that rag on the chase as being an illegitimate way to
crown a champion are the same ones wanting to champion Jimmie as the GOAT.


  830.   SJ posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:39 pm
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anyone know what the points would look like without the cha$e?


  831.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:41 pm
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This race was a kick in the nuts for us true fans. Left a sick feeling
in my heart.


  832.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:41 pm
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"These same people that rag on the chase as being an illegitimate way to
crown a champion are the same ones wanting to champion Jimmie as the GOAT."

I'll say I'm guilty as charged on this one.


  833.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:41 pm
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"Let him celebrate, don't be such a prude and the fun police about it."

There's a difference between being happy your driver won the
championship, and obnoxiously rubbing it in everyone's faces.


  834.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:42 pm
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"Bascially how he's won every one of his championships. But he deserves
credit for that."

I do give him a lot of credit for taking advantage of the system as
successfully as he has. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. I still
don't think he's "deserved" every one of his championships, so to speak,
but I give him credit for utilizing the system to its fullest potential.


  835.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:42 pm
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Kyle Petty said incredible again.


  836.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:43 pm
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"anyone know what the points would look like without the cha$e?"

I believe Harvick wins by 26 over Joey. Beyond that, I don't know.


  837.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:43 pm
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I'm spit balling based on their finishes and haven't really calculated
but if I'm right, the Top 5 without the Chase are as follow:

Kevin Harvick
Joey Logano
Kyle Busch
Brad Keselowski
Denny Hamlin


  838.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:44 pm
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@830

Harvick clinched the championship at Phoenix


  839.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:44 pm
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"I still don't think he's "deserved" every one of his championships, so
to speak, but I give him credit for utilizing the system to its fullest
potential."

It depends on how we define "deserved", because I think the second half
of your comment is pretty much the definition. But that's a potential
discussion for the forum...


  840.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:44 pm
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"I believe Harvick wins by 26 over Joey. Beyond that, I don't know."

Third straight year Joey Logano scored the second most points.
Developing quite a Mark Martin level career huh?


  841.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:45 pm
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Listen, Jimmie Johnson is one of the greatest NASCAR drivers ever. You
win seven titles to join Earnhardt and Petty, and you're now on the "Mt.
Rushmore" of NASCAR drivers, IMO. I'm not disputing his greatness.

It's just that, this year, 2016, should not have been a championship
campaign for that 48 team. That's why I'm a little salty about this
historic celebration. And not only did Jimmie suffer a bad year (by his
standards), he didn't even have a good race tonight! He trailed the
other three championship contenders all night long, his crew had bad pit
stop after bad pit stop, and only took advantage of a bogus caution, a
crash on the restart, and a lucky break on the final restart to win the
title. He led only the final 3 laps of the race! That was it!

But I digress. I guess I should blame NASCAR for coming up with this
faulty title format.


  842.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:46 pm
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"@830

Harvick clinched the championship at Phoenix"

Except Joey Logano (-25) and Brad Keselowski (-37) were mathematically
in the game. False information.


  843.   Stan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:46 pm
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You know that old saying "Cautions breed cautions"? Well, that was never
more true tonight. Prior to the big wreck with 11 to go, the only
legitimate caution that came out was when Ryan Blaney got in the wall
the second time. If the race plays out naturally, Carl Edwards wins the
championship. He had the car to beat the entire race.

Even though I'm happy that Jimmie won to capture his 7th title, it
doesn't take away from the fact that this elimination style playoff
format is absolute garbage. Sadly, I can see this format being around
for a while because of the "Game 7 drama" that TPTB so desperately want.


  844.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:46 pm
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I don't think it really matters who won the championship or what. I'm
indifferent to the outcome. I am however eagerly awaiting the start of
Super GT, which ended last weekend. You won't see me get worked up about
NASCAR. Go Nissan! NISMO is my team. I just wish Satoshi Motoyama was in
his prime still lol. Big props to Team SARD.


  845.   cjs3872 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:46 pm
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As for what happened in the closing laps of this race, Carl Edwards and
Joey Logano both did what they should have done. Logano tried to pass
him and Edwards, with a championship oin the line, threw the block. But
what happened to Edwards (and seven others) is the potential price a
driver must be ready to pay if he blocks, especially as violently as
Edwards blocked Logano on that restart.

Now, I'm not normally one for conspiracy theories, but given that both
Kyle Larson and Kevin Harvick (for the last time, at least for a while)
were driving cars equipped with Hendrick engines, is there a possibility
that they slacked up the slightest bit to help Jimmie Johnson win the
championship (not the race, which Larson threw away on the final
restart). I don find it ironic that on each of the final two restarts
that LArson, Harvick, and Johnson were three of the top four (and Jamie
McMurray was also up there on the final restart in Ganassi's other car).
Now I honestly don't think that anything unbecoming was going on, but
there might have been some subconscious thoughts going on inside the 4
and 42 cars to give the Hendrick-powered Johnson a little help to win
the title, though why Logano didn't try to dive insiude of Johnson on
the final restart was baffling.

Also, another thing that may have helped to decide the title in favor of
Jimmie Johnson is that old thing about having been able to close the
deal before. Neither Carl Edwards or Joey Logano had ever been able to
close the deal and win a championship, but of course, Jimmie had on six
previous occasions. Watching how the Australian Open played out last
night (in favor of a past winner and major champion) and then watching
how this race ultimately played out, it again proves that there's
something to be said about having been there and closed out a
championship and having that championship experience, something Jimmie
had and Edwards and Logano still don't have. I think that's one thing
that cost Edwards and his team in 2011 and what might have cost Edwards
tonight. I'm not so sure that was as much of a factor with Logano, who
simply did not have the long run speed in each of the final two races,
something that might have cost him at Phoenix if not for the late
caution, and did cost him tonight when it counted most.


  846.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:47 pm
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"Third straight year Joey Logano scored the second most points.
Developing quite a Mark Martin level career huh?"

One more close-but-no-cigar year and he'll become the NASCAR equivalent
of the Buffalo Bills.


  847.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:47 pm
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"So I'm not allowed to cheer for my favorite out of the people who were
left?"

"I didn't say anything even remotely resembling that."

You basically said that the fact that I only started cheering for him to
win the championship after all the drivers I like more than him got
eliminated makes my argument irrelevant.


  848.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:47 pm
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"But I digress. I guess I should blame NASCAR for coming up with this
faulty title format."

NASCAR is beginning to listen to us for the Xfinity/Truck series. Maybe
they'll realize to eliminate the Chase down the road in the future. Who
knows.


  849.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:48 pm
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"Fair enough, but I was mainly comparing the entirety of his career
(79-00), mostly due to each of their win totals as well"

Really hard to do that too do to a lot of reasons. Dale had a lot more
wear and tear on him than Jimmie did when he got his first full time
just from the fact he was old. Then you had in the fact Dale had less
races a year, which you can then use the argument he had less chances in
his prime to win races compared to Jimmie. Then I think you need to
factor Safety into it as well. Jimmie's been lucky in the fact he's
never had to deal with a major injury, while Dale had a bunch. His wreck
at Dega in 96 probably took 3 1/2 to 4 years away from him as he wasn't
fully healed from that until the 2000 season.

That being said I know I'm probably coming off as someone trying to hate
on Jimmie lol, but I'm not. Jimmie to me is easily a top 5 driver in the
History of the sport. After tonight I find it hard to put even Jeff in
front of him so he's probably now in my top 3 behind Pearson and Dale.
Maybe one day he'll pass them but I don't think he's there yet.


  850.   LI85 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:49 pm
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"This race was a kick in the nuts for us true fans"

True fans, are you f**king kidding?? True fans don't have temper
tantrums and say they are never going to watch the sport again because a
driver is good at his job.


  851.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:49 pm
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@842

You are right, for some reason I thought he was 45 ahead after Phoenix
in the old format.


  852.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:50 pm
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Through all of this, it should be noted the Tony Stewart era has come to
an end. Thank you Tony


  853.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:50 pm
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Webmaster please delete my comment at 831, I thought I hadn't posted it
already, but I had.

Had a little time to cool down from it and shower, but I'm still not
happy. My big question more than anything was exactly WHY the 32 car
came back out on the track with 20 to go and (I assume) nothing to gain?
Of course it's entirely possible or even probable NASCAR would have
thrown a bogus yellow regardless, but that was really fishy. Either way
we can't change things now, and while it hurts I'll get over it. I was
going to give my usual 'farewell for the year' post right around now,
but It'll take a few days for everything to seek in this time. Plus, I'm
VERY eager to see if a certain old friend of ours will be back and what
he has to say about this..


  854.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:50 pm
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Ego...? Haha! In real life, I have rather low self-esteem in myself. I
don't particularly think very highly of myself...To be honest, I feel
like one of the weaker posters here anyways even despite my efforts to
be impartial and help out with the site; so no. I don't really think all
THAT much of myself at all...

If he wants to be happy about Johnson winning the title, fine! Nothing
wrong with that at all. Nowhere in my post did I say he *could* not be
happy about that. If that's what you implied from my post,
congratulations for reading more into my post than what I meant. What I
meant was that he doesn't have to be a DICK about it. You can be happy
about Johnson winning the title without being a total prick about it and
acting like you're better than everyone else because you're happy about
it and everyone else isn't. There's a right way and a wrong way to
handle things like this. I'm guessing you-speaking specifically to
DanicaLover-think this IS the right way. No, it isn't. You want to know
what would probably happen to you if you DID act this way in real life
around friends and acquaintances? You'd probably get decked pretty
quickly (unless you have some REALLY forgiving and/or patient
friends/acquaintances). Being a smug asshole does not make you a better
person. It makes you EXACTLY that-a smug asshole.


  855.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:51 pm
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The only thing I'm mad about at NASCAR is their lack of Japanese race
queens. What a bummer.


  856.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:52 pm
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"To be honest, I feel like one of the weaker posters here anyways even
despite my efforts to be impartial and help out with the site; so no. I
don't really think all THAT much of myself at all..."

You're one of the best posters on here and have been for years, don't
give yourself such a hard time.


  857.   Not Sure posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:53 pm
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That BS caution for a flat tire changed the outcome of the race and the
Chase championship. Not saying they favored Johnson - I didn't care
which of the 4 won the Chase - but it is manipulation on par with what
the NBA and NFL do on a regular basis. The big difference is those two
leagues get higher TV ratings when they do it and NASCAR's ratings tank.

Congrats to Harvick on his 3rd full season championship. Stewart, the
last of the non-company line drivers, will be missed.


  858.   18fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:55 pm
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As Tony Stewart said several years ago, "We know what the system is".
Everybody shows up to Daytona in February knowing what the system is and
how the champion will be determined. Everybody shows up to Chicago at
the beginning of the Chase knowing how the champion will be determined.
That dictates the way that these race teams approach the season.

Do I think the 48 team sandbagged during the summer? No.


  859.   Mile501 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:56 pm
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Congrats to Johnson. Though not one of my favorites, he has always
seemed like a nice guy and it is a historic achievement, regardless of
the circumstances. But this is a very unsatisfactory ending to a race
and a season. NASCAR definitely isn't what it used to be. I tuned in for
the last 10 laps or so of the race--the only NASCAR I've watched this
year aside from Darlington--and did not enjoy watching the conclusion of
the race at all. They race over 10,000 laps in a season. But nearly all
of those laps don't really matter. A championship should not depend
almost entirely on a green-white-checkered restart.


  860.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:56 pm
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"I guess I should blame NASCAR for coming up with this faulty title format."

Yes.

"You basically said that the fact that I only started cheering for him
to win the championship after all the drivers I like more than him got
eliminated makes my argument irrelevant."

I said you didn't get to lecture us for questioning the legitimacy of
Johnson's championship. You can pull for whoever you want if your
driver's eliminated. But the smug, condescending tone you had in post
#794 is a huge turn-off if you're looking for anyone to take you
seriously. Especially given that the "Johnson hate" you're referring to
is almost nonexistent.


  861.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:57 pm
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I know a lot of old school Earnhardt fans won't like this, but I think
if Dale were still alive he'd be one of the first to walk down to
victory circle and congratulate JJ.


  862.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:57 pm
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@850 I totally admit I was a bit butthurt after the finish of this race
and made a comment I probably shouldn't have in the heat of the moment.
I never said I would quit watching the sport though, all I ever said was
that I would be taking taking it a little less seriously from now on,
but as far as everyone else goes everyone is just a bit emotional now I
think. I think once we've all had some time to get over things will be
fine, but I do apologize for my snide comment.


  863.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:58 pm
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Fun activity: Who is in the Mt. Rushmore circlejerk of hate on here. I
already know who the favorites here are but who are the most hated. 2 of
4 spots are filled:

Danica Patrick
Jimmie Johnson

The other two?

@855

Literally nothing you said in that last paragraph matters. It was
entertaining to chuckle at though.


  864.   Nicky Bones posted:
  11.20.2016 - 7:58 pm
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With Jeff Gordon gone after last year, Tony Stewart gone after this
year, Jimmie Johnson winning again, and the absolute rest of the field
consisting of lameduck drivers who can't come through in the clutch
(Logano, Busch) or field fillers that are 18-24 year old kids who are
only there because of money and sponsorship, next year the
ratings/attendance will take a dive bomb the likes of which we never
thought possible.

You thought attendance and ratings were bad the last 3-4-5 years, wait
until you see next year. Wooo boy.

I'm like many people here. I hated what this series has become, but I
stuck it out to see Jeff Gordon finish his career, and even this year
with Jeff not driving, I watched to see how he would perform at
announcing, and to see Tony Stewart's last ride. I hated Tony Stewart
growing up, but he and Gordon are the last remnants of what this sport
truly was.

What an absolute clusterf**k of a finish: 15 laps and Carl Edwards had
it in the bag, but a no name field filler blows a tire and a caution
immediately comes out, only for NASCAR to wait a half a lap to throw the
second one after Stenhouse's spin. Only for Jimmie Johnson to win
despite the fact the he had no doubt the worst season of evey single
"champion" contender. Unbelievable.


And for all the idiots who are throwing a hissy fit because other people
DARE to have a different opinion, you can kiss my ass.

Not every fan out there wants to bow down and celebrate Jimmie Johnson
for the sake of "History".


As somebody mentioned above... what does "champion" even mean anymore in
this sport?


  865.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:01 pm
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Schroeder your a fine poster, you've been here forever and your
knowledge of racing is top-notch, Don't get down on yourself.

And good to see ya again cjs, how are things in the land of Edgar Allen
Poe going?


  866.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:02 pm
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Regardless of the situation, before the elimination format, I had fully
believed that Kyle Busch (with his raw talent, level of dominance and I
know these don't mean much, but the amount of wins he developed in the
modern-Xfinity series), Kevin Harvick (The sudden jump to Cup after the
death of Dale Earnhardt, winning clutch and crown jewel races in
dramatic fashion, the amazing strength at SHR in 2014-2015) and Carl
Edwards (2008, however I feel more toward the 2011 tiebreak loss and his
incredible first full time season in 2005) were the ones I feel were
worthy to be called "Cup Champions."

Under the old format as everyone love to bring up, Kevin Harvick would
join Jimmie Johnson as the three time Champion this year. However, the
only thing that matters is the 2014 Champion Kevin won. I was so stoked
when it actually held off Ryan Newman.

Kyle Busch has never really had that "great championship season" despite
these past two seasons. Last year he got injured in the NASCAR Xfinity
series race at Daytona (At least it was a NASCAR sanctioned race, so I
approved his 2015 championship to be honest. An injury like Stewart
earlier this year? I'd be more iffy on). At least Kyle came back with a
championship level performance last season, and this year he continued
that momentum.

Carl Edwards...boy to have three years in a row of these three drivers
winning them? I would have loved it. I guess 2 out of 3 isn't so bad.
Who knows, Carl may continue to thrive after tonight. Let's hope he
doesn't have a really invisible year like he does in 2009/2012...

And now throughout all of this, Joey Logano has become quite amazing.
He's even more threatening than Brad Keselowski in my opinion. Watch him
to become a championship in the future, mark my word. He can do it, he's
just getting bested by others who want it more.

I notice people say Denny Hamlin and Martin Truex Jr are worthy. To be
honest, as good as Denny is, I don't think he has warranted that much
success to be threatening. Outside of the races he won, he's too
invisible in my opinion. And Martin Truex Jr's 2015 season isn't any
different than that of Jeff Gordon(though Gordon's season was a bit
weaker) and Brad Keselowski. Truex this year has been mighty stong, but
they were mistake prone. They didn't even match their Top 5 and Top 10
from last season either. So right now, I'll be cheering on Joey Logano
and Carl Edwards to get their first.

Before anyone brings this up, this is before the likes of the upcoming
stars coming into the Cup picture and start winning.


  867.   Mile501 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:03 pm
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"Champion" means you performed the best on the final restart at
Homestead. It doesn't mean much more than that. Honestly, I think even
the drivers are realizing that. Perhaps that's why Edwards wasn't more
upset than he was.


  868.   StenhouseFan17 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:05 pm
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  869.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:05 pm
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"I was so stoked when it actually held off Ryan Newman."

He....


  870.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:05 pm
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Nothing drives NASCAR fans crazy than Jimmie Johnson winning the
championship


  871.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:06 pm
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One final thing I want to say...I actually gained a lot of respect for
Carl Edwards after this one. Handled this whole situation EXTREMELY
well. As I said before, I do not think anyone could really blame him if
he'd gone completely apeshit after all that mess happened. I think most
anybody-even the nicest, most passive and pacifistic-minded among
those-would be INCREDIBLY pissed to have that happen to you after having
the car he had tonight, knowing you could get it done and take home the
title, and then lose it all with just 10 laps to go. But, like I said,
he handled it with a lot of grace. He accepted the blame for the
incident and said he was trying to block Joey; and that he didn't blame
him for the move he made on the restart.

We've seen it time and time again-this season, and over the years. When
the race winds down and cautions come out, the drivers often go
completely nuts on the restarts and try to go for everything they can
get. It's almost like they shut off their brains in those late race
restarts, and it's no wonder it leads to more crashes and more chaos.
Now stacking a CHAMPIONSHIP on top of that to boot...I guess when you
really think about it, it's not REALLY a huge shock that melee happened.
Under this format it was probably BOUND to happen in this race at some
point anyways...So I can't really fault Carl or Joey too much for the
moves they made. Desperate situations lead to desperate decisions.
Unfortunately it resulted in disaster and a total fustercluck this time...

But still, kudos to him for being the bigger man and owning up
responsibility for it when he just as easily could've gone psycho on the
#22 crew. Plus I like the fact that he had the guts to call out NASCAR
on the questionable cautions-since one in particular helped set this
crap up. Of course he'll probably get slapped with a nice hefty monetary
fine for having the audacity to say such things about NASCAR...But still.

Y'know, before I've been kind of indifferent towards Edwards as a driver
(in fact, I used to REALLY dislike him after all the run-ins with
Keselowski back in 2010 in which he went way, WAY overboard in getting
back at him), but now...I might actually have to start rooting for this
guy a bit next year...


  872.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:06 pm
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Uh Danica was that directed at me or did you mean to write 854?


  873.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:09 pm
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"Perhaps that's why Edwards wasn't more upset than he was."

I probably was looking into his eyes more, but I feel like he was
holding back and saving the tears till he was behind closed doors. I
wasn't thrilled either.


  874.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:09 pm
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I think I owe some people here an apology. You guys are right, I did
take things too far today (especially comment #794). I won't apologize
for having an unpopular opinion on here and cheering for Johnson to win,
but I definitely went too far in throwing the entire board here under
the bus and trying to put you all on a guilt trip for something I know a
lot of you are not guilty of (the exact same thing I absolutely hate
when "rm" does). I think what happened was a mixture of my anger at what
happened to Edwards, who was hands down the most deserving driver today,
and the fact that this site has been the home of Johnson Haters United
since the beginning of time, and after a point this year when he was
struggling and it looked like people here were finally warming up to
him, you all showed after the Martinsville race that clearly isn't the
case. So there, I'm sorry for overreacting and acting like a smug
asshole. I know my reputation here is probably hurt with some of you,
but I hope you can forgive me.


  875.   Mile501 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:09 pm
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A couple of interesting tidbits lost in the shuffle:

Jamie McMurray finished 5th, posting only his 2nd top-5 finish this season.

Michael McDowell finished 10th, his career-best finish on a track other
than Daytona.


  876.   484evs posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:09 pm
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This is the New York Giants defeating the unbeaten New England Patriots
in the Super Bowl
Was that championship any less because the Giants didn't perform well in
their regular season, going 9 - 7?
Team 48 went in there and knocked off the best of the season bc they
were given the chance


  877.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:11 pm
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"Y'know, before I've been kind of indifferent towards Edwards as a
driver (in fact, I used to REALLY dislike him after all the run-ins with
Keselowski back in 2010 in which he went way, WAY overboard in getting
back at him), but now...I might actually have to start rooting for this
guy a bit next year..."

Carl has definitely changed since his 2011 title loss. I don't
understand why everyone hasn't realized that until now?


  878.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:13 pm
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You are alright Chevy. The only thing you should be embarrassed about is
Danica agreeing with you on anything ever.


  879.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:13 pm
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""Champion" means you performed the best on the final restart at
Homestead. It doesn't mean much more than that. Honestly, I think even
the drivers are realizing that. Perhaps that's why Edwards wasn't more
upset than he was."

I think they all realized that back in 2014. I remember pretty much
every driver who wasn't in the final 4 that year had some problem with
the format. They got so loud about it they started asking the final 4
about it and both Harvick and Denny said something along the lines of
they're just pissed they weren't good enough to make it and they should
suck it up. I bet even those tow don't think that way now.


  880.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:14 pm
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Alright guys, last thing I'm saying for now, but here it goes:

Champion: a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a
competition, especially in sports.

Does Johnson fit the meaning of champion this year? Only 16 top 10's,
was terrible in the summer, and he literally lucked his way into this
title. I don't think so.

The thing I hoped wouldn't happen when this format was announced finally
happened: We have a totally undeserving champion. Harvick at least had
killer speed despite the inconsistency in 2014, and in the races Busch
ran in 2015, he raced like a champion. But this year...I can't say the
same at all. Especially considering that Johnson wasn't even in the top
5 in points.

I've wanted to deny it all along, but it's finally hit me that NASCAR as
a whole is a total farce. I've loved this sport ever since I started
watching 7 1/2 years ago when I was 9, but I will admit that my fandom
has taken a bit of a hit tonight. Not because Johnson won, no. I don't
mind him. But because the finish of this race and the championship
system was a total circus. I'm not going to say "IM DONE WITH NASCAR
FOREVER" because I know that I'll keep watching. But I feel like that
I'll be much more into IndyCar instead. But it's obvious that France
doesn't care about the intergrity and the direction that the sport is
headed in, and honestly I hope there's no sponsor for the Cup Series
next year just to show them up. But at what point will they learn? This
series is in shambles; sponsors are leaving left and right, teams and
drivers are leaving left and right, but most importantly, fans are
leaving left and right. After the events of tonight, I highly doubt that
there will be a title sponsor next year and I expect a huge ratings
drop. The championship at this point means almost nothing; it's pure
luck. It's survival. I had fun watching this season with you guys; it
was a blast. But the Chase reared its ugly head and turned what would've
been a step in the right direction into crap. And it's not the same
NASCAR we knew of, where the right man hoisted the championship, fans
flocked from everywhere, business was booming, and the magic is gone.
And at this point I doubt that it will ever come back. If NASCAR wants
to be become what it once was, it needs leadership; People who know what
they're doing for the better. And unfortunately we don't have that right
now.

So, this brings me back to my main point; What is a champion? Is NASCAR
going to ever do anything to stop shooting themselves in the foot with
this joke format? Unfortunately, I don't think so.

See you guys in February. I'll be back, but I've definetly lost a little
bit of the passion that I used to have with this sport.


  881.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:14 pm
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Kyle Larson and Chase Elliott finishes in the Top 10 on points

While Brad Keselowski fell to 12th, not in the Top 10.


  882.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:14 pm
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Just kidding Danica I know Ricky is probably not too happy with you.


  883.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:15 pm
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But really, like I said before, I put the blame for this not so much on
the shoulders of Carl or Joey; they were just doing what they thought
was the best move to make on an extremely critical restart with a title
on the line. It's pretty much lying all on NASCAR's shoulders. If not
for them making ONE race-and ONE restart-THAT critical to your entire
season, there's a pretty good chance that would never have happened.

There are some things I *like* about this Chase format, but there's a
lot more I dislike about it overall. This is one of the biggest things
about it (well, that, and the fact that NASCAR is WAY too generous with
the "win-and-you're-in" rule. Top 30 to get in...unless you drive the
kind of equipment Chris Buescher did this season, you crash virtually
every single week, or you get injured, miss some races, and have to get
a waiver, there's NO way you DON'T make the top 30 if you win a race...)


  884.   Nicky Bones posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:16 pm
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When I talk about Kyle Busch and clutch, I mean this year in the Chase
races.

Martinsville: Instead of anybody trying to stop Jimmie Johnson, the
entire Joe Gibbs Racing contingent is completely fine screwing around
with each other, blocking, etc, and they let Jimmie Johnson run away
with the race for the win.

Tonight at Homestead: After the restart, Kyle and Joey Logano screw
around, get caught in traffic, whatever, and Jimmie Johnson magically
storms to the front after being mid-pack ALL race after starting dead
last because of unapproved modifications to the car.

To quote Tim Daland from Days of Thunder: "We look like a monkey f**king
a football out there!!!"


While I absolutely agree that both Carl Edwards and Joey Logano did what
they had to do, Joey Logano started a clusterf**k at the end, and then
afterwards he couldn't even capitalize on the situation and let Jimmie
get away. If you're going to cause a wreck by being impatient, MAKE SURE
YOU WIN THE RACE.

Carl Edwards was cruising with 15 laps, and all of a sudden like magic,
a caution comes out because GOD FORBID we finish the race out under
green during the championship.

So Jimmie Johnson was the best car for the final restart, after being
absolutely mediocre the entire season, and yet from now until eternity
we get to hear about how great he is and how he is equal to Petty and
Earnhardt and better than Jeff Gordon and David Pearson.

What a f**king joke.


  885.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:16 pm
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"Michael McDowell finished 10th, his career-best finish on a track other
than Daytona."

Mcdowell has done a great job for LFR this season.


  886.   Maverick posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:16 pm
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On last thing I'm going to add. The one good thing that I saw was that
there was a great amount of respect and integrity between the drivers.
Edwards, after losing in heartbreaking fashion now three times, had the
audacity to apologize for an incident that took him out of the
Championship that was meant to he his. To me, I think that was the best
part of tonight.


  887.   BMan0213 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:16 pm
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"This is the New York Giants defeating the unbeaten New England Patriots
in the Super Bowl
Was that championship any less because the Giants didn't perform well in
their regular season, going 9 - 7?
Team 48 went in there and knocked off the best of the season bc they
were given the chance"

Hate arguments like this..... You don't play every team in the same
conditions every week. NASCAR you do you don't need a playoff in NASCAR
because everyone races everyone at the same track every week.


  888.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:16 pm
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@872 - Xxplode

Messed up my numbers, sorry. That was at the Jolly Giant Ego not you.


  889.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:17 pm
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Maverick, if you really wanna watch another series, check out some
sports car racing if you haven't already. Don't fall into the single
seater trap, Indycar and F1 are worse then NASCAR.


  890.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:18 pm
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"So there, I'm sorry for overreacting and acting like a smug asshole. I
know my reputation here is probably hurt with some of you, but I hope
you can forgive me."

It takes a lot out of a man to admit he was wrong, but it builds character.


  891.   Damon posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:19 pm
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"The one good thing that I saw was that there was a great amount of
respect and integrity between the drivers"


Agreed


That's the way it should be, race hard....race to win and accept
responsibility for your mistakes


  892.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:19 pm
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Aight Danica, now go give Ricky a kiss I think he needs one considering
how you two have been running the past 4 years. Comfort each other.


  893.   Anthony posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:22 pm
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Never thought I'd see the day when an average finish of 14th wins the
championship.


  894.   joey2448 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:22 pm
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"though why Logano didn't try to dive insiude of Johnson on the final
restart was baffling."

I forgot to mention this. On the final restart, Logano got a good jump
and had all the opportunity to dive to the inside of Jimmie, but he
didn't. I'm guessing Logano was just a little hesitant of doing that
after what happened the first time with Carl. That ultimately likely
gave Jimmie the win and the Cup.


  895.   Sector posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:35 pm
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Is this the first time ever that the race winner didn't score the most
points in a race? Jimmie only scored 40 points with his win. Kyle
Larson, who led the most laps, scored just one more over him, 41 points.


  896.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:35 pm
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No, I understand chevyfan. Heat of the moment situations can get people
riled up and make them say and do things they regret when they've had
time to think it out and cool down. We've all been there before; heaven
knows I've found myself in that position many times before myself. It
does take a lot to admit and own up to your actions; kudos to you for
being able to do so.

I can get where you're coming from; I'm sure the Edwards situation
struck a nerve with EVERY single one of us. Plus you do have a point,
there are plenty of people here who legitimately hate Johnson's guts and
probably threw up upon seeing him win the title. I learned firsthand at
the Darlington race where he crashed that we've got a ways to go before
Jimmie becomes more accepted. It can happen in time, I'm sure, but we're
still a ways away from that. But like I said, I think most of us here
are just upset it had to happen THIS way, not at who specifically won
it. I would've been pretty bummed if someone else who had a so-so
season-like Austin Dillon-won the title, as well. I think we hate the
game, not so much the player. (Though again, I know I don't speak for
everyone.)

Kudos to you for having the courage to apologize, although you may have
just lost the support and respect you extremely recently gained from a
certain somebody who doubtless was hoping you WOULD keep egging us on
and ticking us off more (although...do you really WANT his support?)


  897.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:35 pm
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It's now starting to set in...we're now done with NASCAR until Daytona
rolls around. That's the biggest downer of the night.

I love NASCAR way too much to ever give it up. It's been a part of my
life for so long, I can't imagine not being a fan. I'll criticize the
sanctioning body when they screw up and implement stupid rules, but I'll
remain a fan to the last. I realize that I'm sounding sappy, but given
that there's been vows to give up watching already, I felt the need to
say it.

And thank you, Racing-Reference, for another year of comments and
discussion. What a great season this was, and here's to another in 2017.


  898.   Tyson posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:38 pm
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Not sure it's been mentioned yet (and I don't want to go through 800
comments to find out), but someone pointed out on twitter that Michael
McDowell had Nikko and ToyState as associate sponsors this weekend.
Could TBR go into a merger of sorts with Leavine?


  899.   Nicky Bones posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:42 pm
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It's absolutely frustrating because it feels like for maybe the past
3-4-5 years, Tony Stewart is the ONLY driver who was willing to rough up
Johnson/do whatever it took to win, and yet he couldn't because he
shattered his leg and had the Ward tragedy.

So you have the only guy with balls to take on Johnson less than 50% of
what he was, while the rest of the entire field consists of average
drivers who are so content to fight and kick and scream and have petty
arguments with each other, while Johnson runs off in the distance and
laughs at everybody.

All of these guys have the talent and the drive, but they don't have the
"it" factor and are just extremely immature.

Harvick
Keselowski
Logano
Hamilin
Kyle Busch
Kurt Busch
Matt Kenseth

The rest of the field consists of young talent, the so-called "future",
who are really only there because of their famous last name,
money/richness, or they bring in sponsorship.

Ryan Reed
Brian Scott
Chris Buescher
Chase Elliott
Kyle Larson
Erik Jones

The entire 40 car field is so unlikeable, boring, non impressive, etc.
There's nothing to get excited about in the sport anymore.


Carl Edwards drove a Championship-calibur race, and he lost because
after bullshit cautions, the rest of the field drives like assholes.

But yet we're all told this is great for the sport DRAMA! EXCITEMENT!
GAME SEVEN MOMENTS.

Christ, I had much more excitement when Earnhardt was clinching titles
with 3 races to go.


  900.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:43 pm
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To explain my off color comments, let me just say I'm just trying to
make everyone chill a bit. Look, NASCAR isn't what it used to be, I get
it. But let's not act surprised because NASCAR has been pulling this
crap for years now. Any type of Chase or playoff system is just a
gimmick. Johnson has won 7 titles under this system, and I can honestly
say it is sad the system is what it is. But don't blame Johnson. Don't
hate the player, hate the game. Jimmie, Chad, and Rick are successful
because they will do whatever it takes to win championships. I respect
that. Johnson will always be a controversial driver, but he is a name
and NASCAR desperately needs names right now. I hope NASCAR can turn
things around. I just think that getting worked up over a sport is just
needless. On a side note, to further explain my off color comments I've
had a bizarre day. I just got back with an ex who seperated from her
cheating husband. My life is strange guys.


  901.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:46 pm
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"Jimmie only scored 40 points with his win. Kyle Larson, who led the
most laps, scored just one more over him, 41 points."

No bonus points for Homestead (despite what the results say), but even
then Johnson would have gotten three "bonus" points for winning.

"We've all been there before; heaven knows I've found myself in that
position many times before myself."

For example, nearly the whole board threw a fit after the fall Phoenix
race in 2012...


  902.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:47 pm
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Keep this format, way better than someone needing to finish 35th or
better or locking up the title a race early


  903.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:53 pm
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"For example, nearly the whole board threw a fit after the fall Phoenix
race in 2012..."

Or Talladega last year... there's a comments section I don't think I'll
be reading again anytime soon.


  904.   Aaron posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:55 pm
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Hell yeah! Congrats JJ! Now let's see Dale Jr. come back and kick some
ass next year.


  905.   Baxter posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:55 pm
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898, TBR sold its Charter to LFR, maybe the sponsors are coming too.

Now I kind of forget how charters work and who has them, but doesn't LFR
already have one for the 95? Does that mean that they will run the
second team next year?


  906.   Anonymous posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:55 pm
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I hate this chase bunk Johnson was terrible I mean TERRIBLE in the
summer and he gets a championship? Just like Kyle last year but Kyle
deserved his more than Johnson, Johnson got luck. But I respect him.
Honestly I have slowly drifted away from sports this year and focused
more on life, I mean let's be honest NASCAR finds every single reason
the throw a yellow just for drama and excitement... #18 o #19 deserved
to be celebrating today. Well time to watch my packers lose another game


  907.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:55 pm
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The chase doesn't bother me much it's more of the inconsistency, caution
clock, etc. It's also NASCAR'S diehard attempt to be as "professional
and sophisticated" as F1.


  908.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:56 pm
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Personally, I have no issue with the championship outcome in that it's a
crapshoot and people know that in advance. Is he deserving? No, but
clearly that doesn't matter to NASCAR and never really has since they've
pretty much never had a good points system ever. I've never felt
championships mattered all that much in evaluating drivers for just that
reason. Every format they've ever had has been a joke.

My issue is the made-for-TV drama and that NASCAR seems like it would
rather see championship contenders wreck each other and fight (for the
drama! for the ratings! even though this ironically is one of the
reasons why the ratings are no doubt declining). We were all getting on
Chad Knaus's case (and justifiably) for seemingly cheering the wreck,
but honestly I think NASCAR was probably excited too. They believe that
drama brings ratings so they want to ensure the most dramatic outcome in
any way possible, safety be damned. If they cared about safety, they
wouldn't have done "boys have at it", they wouldn't have done
double-file restarts, they wouldn't have done overtime, they wouldn't
have done knockout playoff formats, etc..., etc..., etc... Having
gradually lost the hardcore fans through this approach who were tolerant
of stretches of not much happening in favor of the attention deficit
generation, this has now bit them in the butt as those viewers will
easily be attracted to something else, then another thing, then another
thing.

It's too bad because this year had many more good races than the
preceding few actually, but NASCAR's desire for drama became too much
for me at this point. I'd rather watch all the races from periods with
more integrity that I haven't seen yet than continue.

It really has just degraded to Rollerball (if any of you watched that)
or Eschaton (if any of you read Infinite Jest...) No wait, at least
Eschaton had intellectual underpinnings...


  909.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:59 pm
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The Daytona 500 advertisement has got me down for the offseason but
excited that Daytona will be here before we know it.

Also, that Ken Squier feature earlier was pretty neat.


  910.   Mile501 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 8:59 pm
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Maverick, I wholeheartedly agree with you in comments #880 and #886. You
said what I'm thinking (and what I have been thinking for a couple of
years--even moreso after today's race) in a better way than I could have
put it.

I'd also second the suggestion made by Xxplode in comment #889. Sports
car racing is generally a much more pure form of racing without all the
gimmicks that NASCAR has added.


  911.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:00 pm
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Anyways Johnson win, leaves him with 3 tracks to win at. Chicagoland,
Watkins Glen, and Kentucky

Johnson never won at Rockingham


  912.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:02 pm
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If you think things are bad for NASCAR now just imagine how dark the
sport will become once Dale Jr retires


  913.   Baxter posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:02 pm
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So which rides need to be filled for next year?

So far I know these:
44
16 (probably)
95 (all signs point to McDowell though)
59- possible number for JTG 2nd car, or unlikely 2nd car for LFR
HScott?
23
83
93 (part time though)
30? Is Gray Gaulding driving full time for that team next year? I heard
so but its not on Jayski.


  914.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:04 pm
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If Long Shot's forum ends up working out, this may end up being the last
time ever that a race thread gets over 1000 comments (assuming it does).


  915.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:07 pm
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"This is the New York Giants defeating the unbeaten New England Patriots
in the Super Bowl
Was that championship any less because the Giants didn't perform well in
their regular season, going 9 - 7?
Team 48 went in there and knocked off the best of the season bc they
were given the chance"

That's stupid too. Does anybody believe that's not farcical? Even in
playoffs with more games, I find it completely farcical the Golden State
Warriors set an NBA win record and didn't win the championship. It's all
just made-for-TV drama and hype, and the relative lack of that was what
(to me) made racing more entertaining.

"Is this the first time ever that the race winner didn't score the most
points in a race? Jimmie only scored 40 points with his win. Kyle
Larson, who led the most laps, scored just one more over him, 41 points."

Well, there was Trevor Bayne's Daytona 500 win, and I imagine there were
a couple races somewhere where post-entries won and didn't score any points.

"Indycar is worse than NASCAR."

From 2003-10 I'll grant that both sides of the split, or the merged
series, were worse, and I think much of this IndyCar season was worse
than this NASCAR season, and they have some similar problems and
gimmicks as well (but almost every series has gimmicks - you're into
touring cars and how many of those series adjust the weights they add to
each car to equalize the field?) I think in general from 2011 to present
NASCAR has been worse than IndyCar. No doubt in my mind about that. This
year was a bit of a turnaround, and then they ruined it.


  916.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:13 pm
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@912

If Dale Jr. retires this offseason, the only thing keeping NASCAR
relevant to the average person or mainstream media is Danica.

The best thing that could happen to NASCAR is her winning a race.


  917.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:15 pm
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Yeah Sean every series has gimmicks. Super GT has as you alluded to,
weight ballasts to equalize the performance of the cars. I'm not going
to go into detail for those who don't know much about that, Wiki it,
google it, it'll give you a much better explanation then I would. But
with that said, I can live with some gimmicks more then others. Racing
is in the entertainment business, so you gotta get creative, and that
means overblown story lines and gimmicks will happen. But I'll take a
weight ballast system over a Chase system any day. I honestly just can't
stand single seater racing Sean. It's just not my cup of tea tbh. Like
I'll watch it when I need something to help me sleep, but beyond that nah.


  918.   Nicky Bones posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:21 pm
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Kyle Busch is the absolute man when he completely dominates the Xfinity
Series racing against completely shitty drivers in shit equipment.

But when it comes to the big time against Jimmie Johnson, he can't do it.

I know he won a "championship" last year. I'm talking about in relation
to stopping Jimmie Johnson.


You think Dale Earnhardt was happy Jeff Gordon was taking his thunder?
Hell no!

Was David Pearson and Bobby Allison happy Richard Petty was killing
everybody? Nope!

Was Jeff Gordon happy Jimmie Johnson was beating him? f**k no! (Although
I truly believe he stopped caring in the latter stages of his career
after he had a family, and that kills me because he's head and shoulders
above Johnson from a driver standpoint. His record without Evernham and
his longevity proves that to me.)



Today's drivers seem to me to be the opposite. You would think after 80
wins and 7 "championships" the heavy hitters in the sport would be so
sick to their stomachs watching this guy win and would try to stop him,
but they can't.

For all the so-called talent in the world and maturity Kyle Busch seems
to have, he sure as hell can't win championships against Jimmie Johnson.
But hey, he has more important things to worry about, like winning 15
races a year in the minor leagues.

Everybody says this sport is not the same year after year after year. I
told myself it was done when Matt Kenseth was suspended but Kevin
Harvick wasn't last year, but this is really the nail in the coffin.

This series really is unwatchable.


  919.   Xxplode posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:29 pm
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@916 Yeah because Danica blessing us with her presence is sure raising
TV ratings, putting butts in seats, and helping the sport reach it's
previous heights and then some. She really helped Indycar get back to
the relevancy it had during the days of Foyt, Andretti, and the Unsers.
Do you write your own material? I heard Hillary could use some email help.


  920.   EyeofTheCougar posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:32 pm
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I'm so sick of watching NA$CAR because they throw that damn caution
again, again and over nothing. F--- you dumb SOB's!! Please. Can we vote
Brian France out of NASCAR and maybe save the sport?


  921.   JG24ChasElliottFan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:47 pm
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Two interesting facts:

Jimmie Johnson was the only one to win for Hendrick Motorsports this season.

Johnson also won the first (2008) and last (2016) Sprint Cup championships.


  922.   Damon posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:52 pm
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"Does anybody believe that's not farcical? Even in playoffs with more
games, I find it completely farcical the Golden State Warriors set an
NBA win record and didn't win the championship. It's all just
made-for-TV drama and hype, and the relative lack of that was what (to
me) made racing more entertaining."


Why overvalue a team like the Warriors that have more depth than mmost
teams and play a style you can't really prepare for on a nightly basis
over 82 games (especially with scheduling quirks of back to backs, long
road trips and beating up on lottery teams) when the true test of a
great team is when they play the best nightly over a 7 game series


  923.   Benjamin LordLowe posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:52 pm
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Another Bold Prediction by Benjamin LordLowe

NASCAR will go belly up by 2025


  924.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:58 pm
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"Jimmie Johnson was the only one to win for Hendrick Motorsports this
season."

If my memory is right that happened in 2010 as well(Gordon and Dale Jr.
ran good but also had bad luck, and Mark Martin really struggled after
finishing 2nd to JJ in points the previous year).


  925.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 9:59 pm
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Damon, I would prefer to see the best rewarded. The fewer games/races
you use in your championship format, the less likely the best will be
rewarded, and this applies to any sport or game. I'm not going to deny
clutch doesn't exist to some degree, but for the most part I believe
that luck is the reason an inferior team wins a championship battle with
fewer games than skill or clutch. If the only reason a stick-and-ball
team did not have the most wins in a season was because they were
resting starters for the playoffs, I'll acknowledge that they may still
have been the best team (same deal here with some of Jimmie Johnson's
championships where he didn't quite score the most points over the
season, but definitely not this one.)

I'll grant you that things like the NBA, NHL, and MLB playoffs are much
better than the knockout chase, the NFL playoffs, the BCS/college bowl
playoffs, the NCAA tournament, in rewarding the best team, but I still
think having each team play a series of round-robins with every other
team in the league would be a MORE effective way of rewarding the best
team. The only reason for playoffs is drama and ratings. The only reason
they are accepted in other sports is because of decades of history. For
the sports that do not have decades of history with playoffs (NASCAR,
college football, golf) they've been sharply criticized by most.


  926.   Sean posted:
  11.20.2016 - 10:00 pm
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"I'm not going to deny clutch doesn't exist to some degree"

Whoops, that was a triple-negative when I meant for it to only be a
double negative, like "I'm not going to deny clutch exists to some
degree"...


  927.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.20.2016 - 10:10 pm
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Just rewatching the replay of the big Edwards fiasco (heaven knows
why...) and I noticed something I think nobody else really mentioned:
Carl came close to getting into the catchfence in that crash. Kasey
Kahne piledrove him from behind when he shot back up the track and went
UNDER the back of the #19. Edwards' rear end lifted so high up into the
air as he spun around that if more cars piled in he could've hit the
fence...

I think most of all despite all the chaos that I'm glad everyone's OK
(far as we know) after that one; some guys really did take some brutal
impacts in that one, particularly Carl, Kasey, Brad, and Martin. We were
actually on pace to have our 3rd race of the year in which every car
finished prior to that, but because of that and Stenhouse's crash on the
restart after that, there wound up being EIGHT DNFs.


  928.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 10:15 pm
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How about Brian Scott getting a solid top 15 to end his career. #44ever


  929.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 10:18 pm
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This will probably annoy everyone again, but I'm changing my username
(for the final time), but this time for a good reason.

Ever since Gordon retired, I've struggled to find a new favorite driver.
I'll also admit that it's been quite boring this year to not have
someone to pull for. I originally considered McMurray (heck, he used to
be my namesake) but since he no longer runs up front as much I figured
that that wouldn't be as fun.

Well, I must say thank you to Carl for making my decision for me
tonight. I've always liked him, but he's never truly been my favorite
until now. Coming into the race, I was pulling for him like crazy
despite his average season, because I wanted to see him reverse 2011.
Two wrongs make a right I guess. And tonight was probably the most fun
I've had all season watching a race, because I actually had someone to
cheer for. He had the best race of the 4, he had it won, but one costly
mistake takes him out in yet another heartbreaker. Considering all of
the heartbreaks he's had in the title hunt (2008, 2011, 2016), he
could've easily blasted Logano to no end. But he didn't. Instead he
rightfully took the blame, apologized to the 22 team for crying out
loud, and wished them luck. Considering all of the crap luck he's had in
the championship hunt, that took a ton of character, and my respect for
him has skyrocketed and I'm now a huge fan. I think his window is
closing, but considering that Gibbs is at the top of their game and that
this has been Carl's best season in years, I still have hope. Go get
that title in 2017 Carl, I'll be behind you the rest of way,


  930.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 10:49 pm
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So, time for some ridiculously early 2016 predictions:

- Dale Jr. will have a pretty underwhelming season but will make the
chase on points, barring injury
- SHR will struggle mightily with the changes at the organization,
Harvick will be the only driver on the team to win a race
- Chase Elliott will get his first win, and he'll follow it up with
multiple other wins during the year
- Ricky Stenhouse will FINALLY break into the winners circle, and it'll
be at Bristol (where else...)
- Larson gets multiple wins and advances multiple rounds in the chase
- Erik Jones' inconsistency causes him to miss the chase, however he'll
still handily beat Ty Dillon (and Gaulding lol) for Rookie of the Year
- At least one of either Kurt Busch or Bowyer will miss the chase

Will make my full season predictions probably tomorrow.


  931.   JSPorts posted:
  11.20.2016 - 10:54 pm
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Awesome finish to the season. Congrats to Jimmie. Haters say what you
will, but he deserves to have his name alongside Petty & Earnhardt.
Great run to him. Another great run by Larson, watch out for him next
year. Quietly, Allmendinger scored another top 10 tonight. And how about
my man Michael McDowell, in the top 10! What a way for LFR to end the
season! They can't let him go after a run like that. Nice top-15 for
Brian Scott in his final race. 22nd isn't what I had hoped for Tony
tonight, but about what I expected. What a man, what a career it was.
And you have to feel for Carl. I don't know how anyone couldn't like him
after tonight; he handled everything that happened to him like a true
champion and was so classy. I agree with him that that was a racing
incident, but it would've been so easy for him to blame it on the other
driver. Glad to see he, Brad, Kasey & Truex are ok after their hard
hits. Too bad also for Regan Smith, in the last race for TBR, to finish
38th.

Well, that about sums tonight up. I don't like the Chase, and in my
mind, Kevin Harvick should've been this year's champion. But I'm not
going to complain about the way it turned out. Congrats to Jimmie, this
is truly a great accomplishment. I can't wait to (hopefully) see Dale
back at Daytona. 2016 was probably the worst year of my life personally,
but I have to count my blessings. And among those are the fact that I
get to live in "the land of the free because of the brave", and watch
racing each and every weekend. And we still have 1 weekend left, still a
big fan of F1. Even when races or championships haven't played out the
way we wanted, don't forget that it is amazing that we get to watch this
great sport of auto racing, with all its ups and downs, and all the
personalities, both those we love and those we hate.


  932.   Nathan8848 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 11:15 pm
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This track should host 2 races. Really exciting all the way through.
Larson has to feel terrible to lose it on the last restart after
dominating the 2nd half. Awesome races for McMurray, McDowell and Scott.

This was the first time Johnson hasn't had over 20 top 10s in a full
year. Edwards proved after the crash why I like him a lot. Everyone
likes drama, but I like how Busch, Edwards, and Logano all handled their
post-race interview.


  933.   Eric posted:
  11.20.2016 - 11:33 pm
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I only have 5 predictions right now since I am waiting on somethings
like Dale being allowed to race, what is happening with Greg Biffle, and
Ty Dillon.

1.) Erik Jones will be rookie of the year, but Furniture Row Racing will
not be as strong in 2017 due single team to 2 team transition.
2.) Chris Buescher will not be in the chase next year.
3.) Chase Elliott will win a race next year.
4.) RCR will be announcing a new 2018 cup lineup that doesn't have Paul
Menard as a driver. Paul will be going to Penske for a 3rd team for 2018.
5.) Danica Patrick will not not finish top 20 in points with not top
10's(gets ready for Danica10Racer to false accuse me of something and
troll the crap out of me).


  934.   James W. McLaughlin posted:
  11.20.2016 - 11:35 pm
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Well, folks...it's over!

The 2016 NASCAR Sprint Cup season is over. And so, too, is my
involvement with NASCAR. I've decided that the 2016 season would be my
last as a NASCAR fan (although, as of about this past June, I've
committed myself to watching select NASCAR races on YouTube, up to and
including the 2016 Coca-Cola 600).

Now, as to the reason for my decision to bow out of NASCAR:

I'd been a NASCAR fan for most of my life, but particularly since 1992.
And I figure that, after nearly 25 years, the time has come for me to
close the book on my being so. And as I've also wished to go to college
next year, I figure I could put the years ahead of me to better use
(better than some of the last 25 years, wherein I seemed to sacrifice my
education for the ultimately unrealized dream of my being a NASCAR driver).

I also see my desire to go to college as something of an act of
self-redemption. That way, I won't have to worry about missing NASCAR
races on TV (especially considering that, again, I've been watching them
on YouTube).
Add to that the fact that NASCAR has changed OH, SO MUCH ever since I
first got involved. And you can probably chalk it up to movies like
Stroker Ace, Days of Thunder, and the Herbie series.

And now, in closing (and being that this is likely my last comment
posted here on Racing-Reference.info), I would like to thank all of you
for allowing me to express my thoughts on certain races and drivers. I
would also like to offer my congratulations to Mr. Jimmie Johnson, on
making history as NASCAR's third-ever seven-time Cuo Series champion.

Although I don't plan on watching NASCAR on TV in 2017, I'd like to wish
him luck and many more race and championship wins.

And as for you folks at Racing-Reference.info, I want to bid you farewell by
saying "Keep up the good work."

AND KEEP ON RACING!!!

* * * * *

Yours most respectfully,

James W. McLaughlin


  935.   David posted:
  11.20.2016 - 11:43 pm
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"So, time for some ridiculously early 2016 predictions:

- Dale Jr. will have a pretty underwhelming season but will make the
chase on points, barring injury
- SHR will struggle mightily with the changes at the organization,
Harvick will be the only driver on the team to win a race
- Chase Elliott will get his first win, and he'll follow it up with
multiple other wins during the year
- Ricky Stenhouse will FINALLY break into the winners circle, and it'll
be at Bristol (where else...)
- Larson gets multiple wins and advances multiple rounds in the chase
- Erik Jones' inconsistency causes him to miss the chase, however he'll
still handily beat Ty Dillon (and Gaulding lol) for Rookie of the Year
- At least one of either Kurt Busch or Bowyer will miss the chase"

And I can say with 100% confidence that all of these 2016 predictions
will be wrong.


  936.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.20.2016 - 11:56 pm
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2017.

*facepalm*


  937.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.21.2016 - 12:14 am
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Bold Prediction:

Dale Jr. retires before the season begins. Hendrick calmly names a new
driver and it is not Alex Bowman, much to the chagrin of the RR
community. Due to this, the ratings are down across the board since one
of the sport's superstars is no longer racing.

However, the biggest news of the year is when Danica Patrick shocks the
world by winning the first Talladega race and bringing mainstream
attention to NASCAR again. It will sustain itself until Danica gets
knocked out in the second round of the chase.

Less bold prediction, SHR isn't going to be as bad as people think and
the adjustment goes quite well.


  938.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  11.21.2016 - 12:14 am
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My 2017 predictions

1.SHR falls down in speed but harvick, kurt busch, and clint bowyer
visit victory lane once or twice.
2.Roush comes back into the picture with stenhouse making the chase on
points
3.danica yet again has another season with no top 10's
4.CGR drivers larson and mcmurray find victory lane
5.RPM continues its struggles
6.Jimmie johnson will be the driver to beat in 2017
7.Kahne finds victory lane again


  939.   someone posted:
  11.21.2016 - 12:41 am
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I knew Carl Edwards would get my hopes up for nothing :(. Really though,
I can't blame Logano for holding his line, because his only chance at
the championship was getting by Carl on the restart. But I can't blame
Carl for blocking, because going into turn one three wide in the middle
would have just shuffled him out of contention. Well... 2016 gets to
join 2005, 2008, and 2011 as years he had a chance with nothing to show
for. Whatever, at this point of come to peace with the fact Carl is just
this era's Mark Martin.

Anyways, Jamie McMurray and Kasey Kahne finish 2016 without a single lap
led. I believe this is the first time ever where two drivers inside the
top twenty in points fail to lead a lap. Jamie McMurray gets to be the
first chaser with this distinction. And Kasey Kahne gets to have the
distinction of completing the most laps in a season without a lap led.


  940.   that e-guy posted:
  11.21.2016 - 1:05 am
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Bold prediction:

Danica won't win again and her fans will continue to be sheep.


  941.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.21.2016 - 1:20 am
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I honestly don't like making pre-season predictions, and that's
because...well, it's almost a guarantee they're going to be wrong and
you'll look back at them and laugh. However...this time I'll make an
exception.

So here are some of my predictions for 2017.

1. Erik Jones has an up-and-down season, much like Chase Elliott this
year, and doesn't find victory lane. But he does more than well enough
to easily claim RotY honors over Ty Dillon, who has a quiet yet
thoroughly unremarkable season, and Gray Gaulding, who has an absolutely
abysmal year. Meanwhile, his teammate, Truex, has a bit of a regression
as Furniture Row adapts to being a two-car team.

2. SHR initially struggles a bit early in the year due to the
manufacturer change, but after a few races they get things going and
Harvick and Kurt are contenders again. Bowyer also manages to be a
contender and runs better than Stewart did in his final few years,
making the Chase on points...but doesn't reach victory lane.

3. Chase Elliott finally breaks through and gets his first career win.
Where, I have no idea, but somehow I could see it happening at the Coke
600. (His predecessor got his first win in that race, and Chase was
having a phenomenal run in the fall race there and was a major threat to
win before he got taken out in the big pileup on the restart. Could
possibly happen.)

4. Kyle Larson adds a couple more wins to his resume, and advances
further in the chase than Round 1 this time. Does not reach the final
four, however.

5. Dale Jr. returns, but announces just prior to Daytona that this will
be his farewell tour. He has an alright year, but doesn't win a race. He
will, however, make the Chase on points.

6. Danica DOES get her first top 10 in nearly two years...most likely at
Martinsville, the plate tracks, or a race with a HUGE amount of
attrition. But it's her lone one of the year, and she winds up finishing
around 25th in points again, well below her teammates.

7. Joe Gibbs wins the most races again, and for the second year in a row
at least two of their cars make the final 4.

8. Austin Dillon wins a plate race, and he and Elliott are the two new
first-time winners next year. He makes it to Round 3 of the Chase based
on consistency (again) but no farther.

9. Ricky Stenhouse earns yet another runner-up finish at-where
else?-Bristol. He goes winless yet again but this time makes the Chase
on points. He does not make it past Round 1, however.

10. Jimmie Johnson adds at least 3 more wins to his career total, and
makes the Final 4 at Homestead so we can have the "can he win 8?" hype.
This time, however, he doesn't quite get it done at Homestead.

11. Logano finally pulls it off and wins the title. (Well, it's bound to
happen at some point...)

12. Greg Biffle either quietly hangs up his helmet during the offseason
before 2017 starts, or decides to embark on a farewell tour with whoever
decides to snap him up. If he comes back, he has a year as thoroughly
mediocre as his 2016 campaign, and doesn't even come close to sniffing a
Chase spot.

13. Landon Cassill finally gets a ride in equipment better than the
garbage he's had to drive thus far through his Cup career, the second
Petty car. RPM's results improve somewhat over their previous year. (OK,
this might be wishful thinking on my part...)

14. Chris Buescher moves to Roush to replace Biffle and has a good, but
not great year. He doesn't win a race, but gets 5-8 top 10 finishes, and
contends for a Chase spot, but falls just a bit short.

15. (Now this I feel like I can almost guarantee) Something utterly
inane and controversial happens during one of the Chase races/in the
final race at Homestead, causing yet another "epic" fight to break out.
Racing-Reference posters-including myself-will be utterly dumbfounded
once again, and at the end of the year several long-time fans will again
call it quits (sadly...)

Like I said, I'm probably going to look back at the end of the 2017
campaign and laugh my ass off at how horribly wrong half these
predictions were...


  942.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.21.2016 - 1:25 am
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Also forgot to add to #1-Jones will handily beat any other contenders
for the RotY award next year we don't know about yet, since it might be
until January or so until some drivers for the lower-budget teams get
announced...guys like Ryan Ellis/Dylan Lupton could end up in Cup full
time next year, or perhaps Xfinity lower-level drivers like Ross
Chastain or Garrett Smithley (I kind of doubt them, however). Of course
because of their lower quality of equipment they won't be a factor for
RotY.


  943.   Mouse posted:
  11.21.2016 - 7:40 am
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I'd guess, based on the number of people buying these scripted finishes
the past three years, that the average IQ here is around 85.


  944.   5 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 7:50 am
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I may get some hate but I believe the Alex Bowman hype is what it is,
hype. Where was he today?


  945.   Archie posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:05 am
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If your evaluation of a driver is based solely on one race ("Where was
he today?"), then you are an idiot and therefore may get some deserved
"hate".

But as long as we're playing that game, where was Bowman last week?

Now if you want to talk about an overhyped Sprint Cup driver.... nah, I
better not go there.


  946.   Sector posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:18 am
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"No bonus points for Homestead (despite what the results say), but even
then Johnson would have gotten three "bonus" points for winning."

David, that doesn't answer my question lol

Unlike some other clueless posters, I know how the system works >:)


  947.   FrontRowMotorsportsFan posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:20 am
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I think Bowman is talented, but the 88 won Phoenix last year and led 34
laps in the spring so it's not like he was that much better than Dale.
The 88 and 5 were out to lunch all day it seemed.


  948.   JSPorts posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:26 am
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You can't deny Bowman's talent. Was he a little overhyped? Yes, but that
comes when you share a car with Dale Jr. & Jeff Gordon. Put simply, he
had a lot of bad luck in his first few races, and had a couple bad runs.
But what about Phoenix? There were other races he looked good behind the
wheel, as well.


  949.   that e-guy posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:46 am
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@947 Dale only won Phoenix because of rain strategy.


  950.   Damon posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:56 am
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"But as long as we're playing that game, where was Bowman last week?"


Blocking/crashing his way out of the Xfinity race and compounding that
the next day by choking on a late race restart that cost Matt Kenseth a
shot to race for the title at Homestead.


  951.   Damon posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:56 am
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2017 predictions

1. Dale Jr. is the story of speedweeks by opting out of the Unlimited
and letting Alex Bowman run it. Junior then breaks the Daytona 500
polesitter drought by winning the race.

2. Chase Elliott at Atlanta, Ricky Stenhouse at Bristol both become
first time Cup winners,

3. Clint Bowyer finds victory lane again at Richmond, Kurt Busch starts
off slow, changes crew chiefs after 10 races and misses the Chase while
Kevin Harvick makes the championship 4.


4. The Championship 4 will be Harvick, Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson and the
2017 champion.....Joey Logano.


  952.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 9:06 am
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"Landon Cassill finally gets a ride in equipment better than the garbage
he's had to drive thus far through his Cup career, the second Petty car."

TBH I don't really know if the Petty #44 is better than FRM at this
point. I know I originally said I wanted Landon to get that car, but now
honestly I think he may be better off staying at FRM, especially if
Buescher goes to Roush then he would probably be the #1 driver there.


  953.   Sector posted:
  11.21.2016 - 9:12 am
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In case you guys didn't know this, this is the fifth time a Toyota
driver didn't finish in the Top 5. The other two being both Pocono and
both Michigan races.

Regardless, Toyota snaps Chevrolet's streak in Manufacturer's
Championship and beat them by 25 points for the 2016 championship.
Congrats Toyota!

Homestead statistically continues to be the best track for Kevin
Harvick, having a 6.9 average finish after this race. (barring the 8
wins at Phoenix, only has a 10.0 average finish there).

That's top numbers resembling Jeff Gordon's Martinsville and Kentucky
stats and Jimmie Johnson's Fontana and Martinsville stats in average
finishes.


  954.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 9:42 am
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Okay, as promised, full race-by-race predictions:

Shootout: Matt Kenseth
Daytona: Brad Keselowski
Atlanta: Jimmie Johnson
Las Vegas: Joey Logano
Phoenix: Kevin Harvick
Fontana: Kyle Busch
Martinsville: Jimmie Johnson (2)
Texas: Kyle Busch (2)
Bristol: Denny Hamlin
Richmond: Carl Edwards
Talladega: Joey Logano (2)
Kansas: Kyle Larson
All-Star: Jimmie Johnson
Charlotte: Chase Elliott
Dover: Carl Edwards (2)
Pocono: Kyle Busch (3)
Michigan: Brad Keselowski (2)
Sonoma: Kyle Busch (4)
Daytona: Denny Hamlin (2)
Kentucky: Matt Kenseth
New Hampshire: Kevin Harvick (2)
Indianapolis: Kyle Busch (5)
Pocono: Kyle Larson (2)
Watkins Glen: Carl Edwards (3)
Michigan: Joey Logano (3)
Bristol: Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.
Darlington: Kevin Harvick (3)
Richmond: Martin Truex, Jr.

Chase:
1. Kyle Busch (5)
2. Carl Edwards (3)
3. Joey Logano (3)
4. Kevin Harvick (3)
5. Jimmie Johnson (2)
6. Brad Keselowski (2)
7. Denny Hamlin (2)
8. Kyle Larson (2)
9. Chase Elliott (1)
10. Matt Kenseth (1)
11. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (1)
12. Martin Truex, Jr. (1)
13. Austin Dillon (Pts)
14. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (Pts)
15. Ryan Blaney (Pts)
16. Kurt Busch (Pts)

Chicago: Chase Elliott
New Hampshire: Matt Kenseth
Dover: Jimmie Johnson
Eliminated: Blaney, Stenhouse, Ku. Busch, and Edwards

Charlotte: Chase Elliott
Talladega: Brad Keselowski
Kansas: Denny Hamlin
Eliminated: Kenseth, Earnhardt, Jr., Truex, Jr., and Johnson

Martinsville: Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
Texas: Jimmie Johnson
Phoenix: Kevin Harvick
Eliminated: Larson, Dillon, Hamlin, and Elliott

Homestead: Kyle Larson
1. Kyle Busch
2. Brad Keselowski
3. Kevin Harvick
4. Joey Logano


  955.   LI85 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 9:48 am
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Here are some of my predictions that likely won't pan out:

- Chase Elliott will get his first win at Pocono and Austin Dillion
makes it two first-timers in a row at Michigan
- Greg Biffle will retire before midseason, and Bubba Wallace will fill
in the rest of the season
- Dale Jr elects to run part time and shares his ride with Bowman,
Allgier, and Willian Byron
- After another car gets into the catchfence, and other bad looking
accidents, NASCAR eliminates the ristricter plate
- Danica has another lost year, and loses her sponser. As does Aric
Almirola
- Casey Mears will be fired 1/3rd into the season and Germain uses a
host of drivers the rest of the season
- Clint Boywer impresses in the #14
- Logono's championship loss affects him and the bottom falls out
- Ryan Blaney finds his way into the chase
- Kyle Larson dominates winning 7 times, but still does not make the
final four prompting another format change
- SHR is not affected by manufacture swich and Kurt Busch wins the
championship
- The former sprint cup series cannot find a title sponser and just goes
by the cup series


  956.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 10:31 am
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"Whatever, at this point of come to peace with the fact Carl is just
this era's Mark Martin."

That's quitter talk.

Yes, I'm just as dissapointed as you are right now, but this year gives
me hope. Although we all believe that his window for a title is closing,
2016 was his best year since 2011, and the way he ran at Homestead last
night shows me that me that he still has what it takes with this format.
If he can just make it back to Homestead again, he has a real shot. Not
to mention that leaving Roush when he did was the greatest move possible
because Gibbs is at the top of their game. I just hope that he doesn't
have another 2012 season next year, but other than that, this is far
from over for him.


  957.   Will posted:
  11.21.2016 - 10:41 am
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Gibbs was surely at the top of their game in the latter half of 2015 and
all of 2016, but the new aero package to be used in 2017 (which was used
for 2 races this past season as a test) likely will not be quite so
advantageous for Toyota as the current package has been.

If the 2016 Kentucky & Michigan races where the 2017 package was used
are a valid indicator, the playing field may be significantly more level
next season.

BTW, does anyone know whether the Xfinity series package is changing
along with Cup?


  958.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 10:51 am
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Yeah as happy as I was for Jimmie I do really feel awful for Carl, that
has to be just as heartbreaking if not even more so than losing 2011 in
a tiebreaker. He's easily the best active driver without a title right
now and if a few things had gone his way he could have three of them.
Judging by how I overreacted to the crash last night in calling for
Logano's head I can't even imagine how I would've reacted if I'd been in
Carl's position... that really was amazing how he was able to keep his
cool and even take the blame when it was really not anyone's fault. I'll
echo the thoughts of several other posters here in saying he gained a
lot of respect from me.


  959.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 11:00 am
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Just noticed this comment:

"This is going to be like last year's race where Larson will be leading
late only for a "caution" to come out with 10-5 to go to make sure one
of the final four wins the race...isn't it?" - JMG

...


  960.   Anonymous posted:
  11.21.2016 - 11:21 am
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Does more level playing field mean Chevy goes back to winning the most
races every year instead of Toyota?


  961.   Kalamazoo posted:
  11.21.2016 - 11:23 am
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I think "more level playing field" means that the Toyotas won't seem to
have such an advantage every week.. meaning that the playing field is
more level


  962.   Will posted:
  11.21.2016 - 11:37 am
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Right -- we'll have much more balance than the past year and a half if
the package works like it appeared to at Kentucky and Michigan.

Don't wet your pants over fears of Chevy domination, "Anonymous". Chevy
has lost some damn good drivers over the past couple of seasons (Gordon,
Stewart) and Junior may not return, and I'd be willing to wager that all
6 of Toyota's top drivers will each win at least one race in 2017 and
half of those or more will win multiple times. They likely won't get to
2016's total of 16 wins though.

I'll guess that Penske (plus Ryan Blaney) Fords will be a force in 2017
more so than they were in 2016, and they weren't too bad in 2016. There
may be one or two Buescher-style fluke wins -- maybe even Danica! (at a
plate track) -- and we may see a slight resurgence from drivers who were
down and out in 2016 (Kahne, McMurray, Newman, Bowyer...).

On the whole, I'd like to think we'll see a more diverse set of winners
and that "same old eight" guy who used to post here can eat his words.


  963.   Tide1732 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 11:37 am
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2017 Team/Driver change predictions

#23 Jeffrey Earnhardt
#33/RCR Brandon Jones (Daytona 500 Only and Regan Smith for Daytona 2
and two Talladega Races)
#34 Casey Mears
#38 Landon Cassill can Will Continue
#44 Alex Bowman
#58 (#98 Charter) Michael McDowell
#46 HSM? Jordan Anderson or Half-Season for Brian Vickers
#74 JTG: Greg Biffle
#77 (#7 Charter) Erik Jones

2017 Another Race Predictions

Kyle Busch finally won the 2017 Daytona 500
Chase Elliott wins 2 Races (Sonoma and Richmond)
Larson Win 1 Race (Michigan 2 again, and did not make a chase)
Erik Jones win a Rain Race in Atlanta (Atlanta non-chase race)
Austin Dillon wins a Race (New Hampshire)
Jimmie Johnson can make a 8 time-title, Probably Denny Hamilin to beats
Johnson in championship
Dale Earnhardt Jr. can make a first ever cup title

JR.,Hamilin,Johnson and Harvick in F4

Nextel Cup Series (Again?), or Comcast Cup series is comming soon...
The trophy is Relased and created by Walmart

Danica gets TOP-5 Again

Veteran drivers to #93 Team (Probably Bowman,Lupton and Earnhardt gets
half-season)

2 Retired Drivers can make a race

5 Rookies to races in #32 (Bobby Labonte retires from cars in 2017)

Wood Brothers to make a final season with the Wood Twins (Jon Wood can
buy the team and rename for 'Wood Racing' and continues the old #21
Number layout)

Jon Wes Townley can finally a first cup starting with a crash


  964.   Tide1732 posted:
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2017 Results Predictions

Heat 1: Brad Keselowski/Kyle Busch/Denny Hamilin
Heat 2: Jimmie Johnson/Clint Bowyer/Martin Truex Jr.
Shootout: Kyle Busch/Kevin Harvick/Jimmie Johnson
Daytona: Kyle Busch/Dale Eanhardt Jr./Kyle Larson
Atlanta: Jimmie Johnson/Joey Logano/Kevin Harvick
Las Vegas: Denny Hamilin/Kyle Busch/Kevin Harvick
Phoenix: Carl Edwards/Jimmie Johnson/Brad Keselowski
Fontana: Joey Logano/Brad Keselowski/Denny Hamilin
Martinsville: Kevin Harvick/Kyle Busch/Denny Hamilin
Texas: Kevin Harvick/Jimmie Johnson/Kyle Busch
Bristol: Dale Earnhardt Jr./Jimmie Johnson/Trevor Bayne
Richmond: Brad Keselowski/Kurt Busch/Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
Talladega: Ricky Stenhouse Jr./Carl Edwards/Brad Keselowski
Kansas: Clint Bowyer/Kevin Harvick/Paul Menard
All-Star: Kasey Kahne/Kurt Busch/Chase Elliott
Charlotte: Austin Dillon/Aric Almirola/Ryan Blaney
Dover: Martin Truex Jr./Kevin Harvick/Chase Elliott
Pocono: Kurt Busch/Danica Patrick/Cris Buescher
Michigan: Cris Buescher/Kyle Larson/Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Sonoma: Martin Truex Jr./Paul Menard/Clint Bowyer
Daytona: Matt Kenseth/Kevin Harvick/Joey Logano
Kentucky: Kevin Harvick/Denny Hamilin/Brad Keselowski
New Hampshire: Kyle Larson/Erik Jones/Austin Dillon
Indianapolis: Jimmie Johnson/Kyle Busch/Kevin Harvick
Pocono: Joey Logano/Kurt Busch/Martin Truex Jr.
Watkins Glen: Joey Logano/Kasey Kahne/Chase Elliott
Michigan: Brad Keselowski/Dale Earnhardt Jr./Carl Edwards
Bristol: Kevin Harvick/Clint Bowyer/Matt Kenseth
Darlington: Kurt Busch/Ryan Newman/Jimmie Johnson
Richmond: Martin Truex Jr./Dale Earnhardt Jr./Carl Edwards
Chicago: Martin Truex Jr./Kyle Busch/Kurt Busch
New Hampshire: Erik Jones/Brad Keselowski/Austin Dillon
Dover: Kyle Busch/Jimmie Johnson/Martin Truex Jr.
Charlotte: Denny Hamilin/Chase Elliott/Kyle Larson
Talladega: Dale Earnhardt Jr./Kyle Busch/Jimmie Johnson
Kansas: Jimmie Johnson/Cris Buescher/Martin Truex Jr.
Martinsville: Kevin Harvick/Brad Keselowski/Carl Edwards
Texas: Joey Logano/Carl Edwards/Clint Bowyer
Phoenix: Joey Logano/Aric Almirola/Matt Kenseth
Homestead: Carl Edwards/Chase Elliott/Dale Earnhardt Jr.


  965.   Maverick19 posted:
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Will - I think the biggest winner next year is definetly Ford. Penske
had somewhat of an off year this year, and with SHR coming over next
year, Ford has really stepped up their game in NASCAR. They needed it,
since Petty is now completely irrelevant and Roush isn't what it once
was. Gibbs definetly won't do as well as they did this year, but Chevy
is a big question mark to me. Obviously they've lost an entire team, and
right now they only have Hendrick, Childress, and Ganassi. Childress
hasn't been in contention for wins basically since Harvick left, and
Larson is the lone bright spot in Ganassi. And even then, Gordon,
Harvick, Stewart, Busch, and potentially Jr. are all gone. However, they
do have Elliott, Larson, and Byron to lead them in the future. They
could do ok next year, but I think Ford will be the dominant
manufacturer for 2017. I agree with you that there will be more parity
however.


  966.   18fan posted:
  11.21.2016 - 1:56 pm
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With the 2017 package, Kentucky was still pretty much dominated by the
drivers who dominated all season. The Toyotas struggled in the Michigan
races, but that is nothing new. Toyotas have rarely been competitive at
Michigan since the repave, outside of a couple strong runs by Mark
Martin for MWR and Kenseth's dominant win with the ill-fated high
downforce package.

I think SHR might struggle a little bit out of the gates as they
transition to in-house chassis and a new manufacturer and engine, but I
don't think it will take all that long for them to get caught up.

It will be interesting to see if Ganassi and RCR see a performance
improvement from being the #2 and #3 Chevy teams instead of the #3 and
#4. If they do I think Larson will take another significant step
forward. I also expect Chase Elliott to be a serious championship contender.


  967.   JT_Racing posted:
  11.21.2016 - 2:03 pm
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Carl would have won the championship if he hadn't screwed up. His car
was plenty fast enough to run down Logano if necessary. He messed up and
then both the #18 and #22 were given prime opportunities to step up and
drive away with the Cup. The bottom line is that Johnson is the one who
performed with everything on the line and out-drove them both with a car
that had lagged behind them in speed all day. You can say the others
were more deserving of the ship all you want, but I counter that a
champion needs to step up when it matters most and the only driver who
did that on Sunday was Jimmie Johnson.


  968.   Stan posted:
  11.21.2016 - 2:14 pm
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2017 Regular Season Predictions #1:

In a press conference before SpeedWeeks, Dale Earnhardt Jr. announces he
will retire after the 2017 season. He goes out and wins the pole for the
Daytona 500, and the race.

Erik Jones surprises everyone by winning, and drawing comparisons to
Jimmie Johnson's 2002 rookie year.

Danica Patrick despite being in the back of the field for the duration
of a race, somehow pulls off a rain-shortened win, and the media loses
their minds.

Jimmie Johnson will struggle throughout the first half of the year and
have a few bad finishes, due to the pressure of potentially being the
first driver to get his 8th Sprint Cup championship. The team will turn
it around by mid season, and he'll win a race or two.

Chase Elliott dominates and gets his first career victory, and Kyle
Larson has a great summer stretch, putting him close to the regular
season points lead.

Matt Kenseth and Austin Dillon, despite being in the top 12 at the end
of the regular season, will not make the Chase, leading to more pressure
from Brian France to disband the Chase grid.

Fan support will go completely downhill, despite 16 different drivers
winning in 2017, the most since 2002.

Clint Bowyer will improve next season, and get a couple of top 5s, but
won't make the Chase. Kurt Busch will regress big time next year.

Michael McDowell will pull off an upset victory at a restrictor plate
race and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. will pull off a win at a short track.

2017 Chase Field:

Jimmie Johnson
Kevin Harvick
Carl Edwards
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Chase Elliott
Kyle Larson
Denny Hamlin
Kyle Busch
Matt Kenseth
Brad Keselowski
Joey Logano
Danica Patrick
Michael McDowell
Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
Martin Truex Jr.
Erik Jones

Race by race predictions to come tomorrow.




  969.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 3:04 pm
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This year rundown:
Good things:
- Lots of great, exciting races throughout the year. 1st Talladega was
the best, but there was excellent racing throughout the year.
- Little controversy. Apart from the last 10 laps of here, the season
was a very quiet one.
- First wins by Larson and Buescher were a good treat
- The rookies actually ran strong this year, Chase Elliott and Ryan
Blaney ran very well despite not getting any wins.
Bad things:
- Little diversity in the winner's circle. Gibbs, Penske, and SHR won
most races.
- Some boring races, like Indy, fall Dover, and most of Las Vegas.
- The worst part of all was the horrific chase format again. Deserving
names like Kevin Harvick and Brad Keselowski were shut out just because
of ONE bad weekend. And the final 10 laps of the championship race were
awful, with Edwards and Logano's crash and tons of cautions that weren't
meant to be, leading Jimmie Johnson, the lowest performing of the final
4, to be NASCAR's second straight undeserving champion, further proving
nothing matters if you do well at Homestead.

Overall, all said and done, a decent year, and much better than last
year's farce. 7/10.


  970.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 3:21 pm
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Predictions for 2017:
- NASCAR will be left with NO sponsor for next year, as no one will step
up to the plate. Ratings will be atrocious, with most races pulling 2
million viewers, and ticket sells will fall ever further. NASCAR won't
be able to fill the 40 car fields, with only 35 cars showing up for each
race due to the loss of TBR, HScott, and possibly other teams. Overall a
disaster.
- NASCAR will likely introduce more stupid gimmicks. I forsee points
inversions and fan votes aplenty.
- On the competition side:
- The playing field will be more equal, as Hendrick will fully bounce
back, with Chase Elliott getting his first wins, Jimmie Johnson
remaining a threat, and even Kasey Kahne having some good runs.
- Erik Jones will have a decent year, getting around 8 top 10 finishes,
and contend for a win or two.
- Dale Earnhardt Jr will have a terrible year, with no wins and lots of
bad finishes. Retires at the end of the year, with Alex Bowman the
replacement in 2018.
- Clint Bowyer has a strong year for SHR, getting a win or so and making
it to the round of 12.
- Gibbs, Penske, Hendrick, and SHR will remain the dominant teams. FRR
will have some teething problems with 2 cars, but will still run strong.
- Aside from Elliott, Austin Dillon will get his much deserved first
win, as will Ryan Blaney.
- Greg Biffle will leave Roush, going to either the #44 or another small
team. Chris Buescher will replace him, and do strongly.
- Danica Patrick will still struggle. SHR fires her after the year and
replaces her with Cole Custer.
- Ty Dillon and Gray Gaulding have awful rookie years. Gaulding will be
this year's Brian Scott, crashing week after week. At least one
would-be-winner will have his day ruined due to his driving.
- An upset will win a race, maybe Michael McDowell or Casey Mears.
- The quality of the racing will be mostly the same as what we have now.
- (WILL HAPPEN) The chase will continue to be horrible, with many
deserving names getting shut out due to bad luck.
- Champion will be either Joey Logano, finally getting the first one,
Carl Edwards, hungry for redemption, or
Harvick/Johnson/Busch/Keselowski/someone really underserving (most likely)
- I don't want this to happen, but I fear it will: In the final race of
the year, one of the championship contenders intentionally causes a
horrifying crash that seriously injures another driver. Because of this,
while NASCAR SHOULD drop the chase, they instead make it even MORE
gimmicky.


  971.   Tyson posted:
  11.21.2016 - 3:28 pm
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Since everyone's doing them, my predictions for 2017:

-Dale Earnhardt, Jr. will be back and he will NOT retire at the end of
the 2017 season. He'll do at least one more year after next season
before calling it quits.
-Chase Elliott has his own "sophomore slump," similar to Larson's. Gets
a number of top-10s but only a few top-5s. No wins.
-Larson picks up two wins, and Jamie McMurray also picks up a win at one
of the 1.5 miles. That win will be the last of his career.
-Roush continues its decline. Trevor Bayne will pick up a few top-10s on
the plate tracks, Stenhouse gets one and is canned at season's end.
-Jimmie Johnson has a much stronger season than the one from this season
where he wins five races, four of which will be in the regular season.\
-SHR struggles finding its footing with Ford, but ultimately gets three
wins. Two wins with Harvick, and one with Bowyer.
-AJ Allmendinger returns to victory lane at either one of roadies,
Martinsville or Dover.
-Kasey Kahne once again struggles throughout the year, but doesn't go
winless. He'll get one win during the summer months.
-We will see no first-time winners next year, so Austin Dillon will have
to wait another year before finally getting his first win.
-Penske, Hendrick and Gibbs will get about 20-25 wins between them.

CHAMPION: Kyle Busch

-Alex Bowman gets a ride for 2017 in the XFINITY Series driving the
second Team Penske car. He'll win twice.
-Matt Tifft will get one win next year.
-Sadler will struggle, and maybe win once.
-Brennan Poole gets his first career win.
-Suarez gets back-to-back championships.

-Rico Abreu, if he returns to ThorSport, has another bad season and is
let go midway through the year.
-Cindric will struggle during his first full-time season, but win at
CTMP getting him into the Chase. He'll advance through to the second
round of the Chase by virtue of a strong run at Talladega.
-KBM won't be nearly as strong without Byron. Bell gets one win, Busch
gets two, Suarez with one, but no wins for rookie driver Noah Gragson.
-Crafton will score his third Truck Series championship.


  972.   someone posted:
  11.21.2016 - 3:28 pm
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"That's quitter talk. 

Yes, I'm just as dissapointed as you are right now, but this year gives
me hope. Although we all believe that his window for a title is closing,
2016 was his best year since 2011, and the way he ran at Homestead last
night shows me that me that he still has what it takes with this format.
If he can just make it back to Homestead again, he has a real shot. Not
to mention that leaving Roush when he did was the greatest move possible
because Gibbs is at the top of their game. I just hope that he doesn't
have another 2012 season next year, but other than that, this is far
from over for him."

Yeah, maybe I was a bit dramatic. But it's still frustrating that Carl
Edwards finds new ways to lose the title. In 2008 he tried the "dominate
every race" approach. In 2011 he tried the "top five and ten everyone to
death" approach. And in 2016 he tried the "play the system" approach.


  973.   rwr posted:
  11.21.2016 - 3:30 pm
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No predictions for our friend Jay Robinson? :D


  974.   Canadianfan posted:
  11.21.2016 - 4:24 pm
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Hey guys I just wanted to let you know the teaser trailer for Cars 3 is
up now. It looks really good a redemption story for Lightning McQueen.
It already feels very gritty and realistic and lets be honest anything
will be an improvement over Cars 2. You can find it on YouTube tell me
what you think because I think it looks very promising.


  975.   Jim Davis posted:
  11.21.2016 - 4:29 pm
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"Danica Patrick will still struggle. SHR fires her after the year..."

SHR did not hire Patrick. It would be closer to the truth to say that
Patrick hired SHR. SHR may want to sever ties with Patrick at some point
but it will be when the contract has run its course not because Patrick
is struggling. SHR has accepted Patrick for what she is and their
primary interest in her is the sponsorship money she brings in.

"...and replaces her with Cole Custer."

No one is going to take Patrick's spot at SHR unless they bring
comparable sponsorship and Custer is not that guy. There is no 10 car
without Patrick for the foreseeable future.


  976.   Scott B posted:
  11.21.2016 - 4:44 pm
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I'll throw in a few predictions.

Cup Champion: Martin Truex, Jr. I'm going against the trend to say he'll
have an off year due to the Furniture Row expansion.

Cup ROTY: Erik Jones, by a comfortable amount over Ty Dillon, but not a
complete blowout.

Manufacturer's Championship: Toyota repeat. Ford will close up a lot of
the gap compared to 2016, though. Chevy takes a step backwards.

New trend: Drivers missing races due to the increased awareness of
concussions. I'm not thinking multiple weeks like Junior, but single
races as a precaution due to a hard crash in qualifying or practice
leading up to the event.

Water cooler rumor talk: Junior's health, which veteran driver retires
next, where Suarez goes next if his path to Cup remains blocked at
Gibbs, and a development deal for John Hunter Nemechek.


  977.   ready fready posted:
  11.21.2016 - 5:33 pm
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I can't be the only person in this universe who believes Carl Edwards
did exactly what he needed to do there, and Joey Logano forced the issue
going into a turn of all places, right?

Every article, analysis, expert opinion, and whatever else I read about
after this race keeps saying "It's nobody but Carl's fault." "Carl
apologized because he manned up and took responsibility for what he
caused." "Carl Edwards turned down on him and ruined his race." Carl
Edwards did this, Carl Edwards did that.

What is Carl Edwards supposed to do? Pull over and let the entire field
pass him by and just let everybody win? Carl Edwards was the man in
control of that race with 15 laps to go. He is the leader. Therefore,
when somebody comes inside to challenge, you block.

I'll never understand what problem everybody has with blocking if you
only do it once or twice. If it's more than that and if you have a
slower car, I understand.

Dale Earnhardt, Sr. killed himself because he refused to let cars by
that were CLEARLY faster than him, and it caused a huge jam up
eventually leading to the crash.

Carl Edwards blocks once to save his position as he should, yet nobody
thinks Joey Logano did anything wrong by trying to make everything 3
wide going into a TURN. Then he can't even win the race for himself.

Joey Logano did exactly what Brad Keselowski did to Jeff Gordon at Texas
in 2014, and it reminds of why I can't stand either of them. They drive
with their heads up their asses.


  978.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 5:45 pm
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2017 Cup predictions:

-Danica Patrick wins 6 races and the championship
-Rick Hendrick fires Jimmie Johnson and replaces him with Gray Gaulding
-Greg Biffle ends up driving for Premium Motorsports
-The 44 will be infected with what will become known as the Brian Scott
curse
-Tony Stewart leaves Stewart-Haas to become co-owner of The Motorsports
Group
-Carl Edwards will continue to call out NASCAR on the debris cautions
and get fined $500,000
-Dale Jr will pull a Bobby Isaac and quit in the middle of a Talladega
race, which turns into a crash fest
-Gray Gaulding beats Erik Jones for rookie of the year
-Kyle Busch wins the most popular driver award
-Final 4: Danica Patrick, Paul Menard, Josh Wise, and Gray Gaulding


  979.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 5:51 pm
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"I can't be the only person in this universe who believes Carl Edwards
did exactly what he needed to do there, and Joey Logano forced the issue
going into a turn of all places, right?"

I think they both did what they needed to do. Carl needed to keep Joey
behind him on the start, otherwise it's game over. But Joey's also
trying to win too, and he needed to pass him as soon as he could to win.
I think hindsight is 50/50. Carl definetly could've stopped turning
left, but at the same time, Joey could've backed off too since they were
going into the turn. But it's racing for a title, and it happens. But
had one of those two happened, who knows how last night would've ended up.


  980.   murb posted:
  11.21.2016 - 5:52 pm
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2017 predictions off the top of my head...

- Cup champion: Joey Logano. It's gonna happen at some point. I'm
probably just gonna keep picking him until it happens.

- Cup ROTY: Erik Jones. Obviously.

- SHR takes a step back with Ford but all three of Harvick/Kurt/Bowyer
still win. Hendrick continues their momentum from the end of this year,
but this time Chase Elliott wins a bunch and Jimmie is the one with bad
luck. JGR doesn't win as much but is still the fastest team in the
sport. Penske stays about the same as this year (but I think Logano will
be the lead driver again and Keselowski will be more under the radar).
Truex wins more races. Larson gets multiple wins. Austin Dillon wins.

- NXS champion: Elliott Sadler. It'll be hard to match his consistency
of this year, but it'll be his second year with the team so I think
they'll have all the kinks worked out. I also think Suarez will be
announced for a 2018 Cup ride mid-season and will proceed to kind of
check out like Chase Elliott did in 2015.

- Truck champion: Christopher Bell. I expect Sauter to have a hangover
and Crafton/Peters to be just kind of there, so between that and Byron
gone from KBM I think Bell will have a big year.

That's about it. I'll probably be watching less next year for a variety
of reasons (mainly because I'm currently re-prioritizing my life in a
lot of ways and I'm just finding that following racing as thoroughly as
I always have previously is becoming rapidly less important to me), so I
don't really care to do a full race-by-race prediction or anything like
that like I've done previously.


  981.   JG24ChasElliottFan posted:
  11.21.2016 - 7:02 pm
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Chase field prediction:

Kevin Harvick
Jimmie Johnson
Joey Logano
Carl Edwards
Kyle Busch
Matt Kenseth
Brad Keselowski
Joey Logano
Kyle Larson
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Kasey Kahne
Denny Hamlin
Kurt Busch
Erik Jones
Martin Truex Jr.
Chase Elliott

Champion: Joey Logano

Although, I could see someone like Blaney, Bowyer, McMurray, Jones,
Allmendinger, and one of the Roush and/or RCR cars sneaking their way in.


  982.   joey2448 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 7:31 pm
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Of this race's 268 laps, Jimmie was the highest-running championship
chaser (of the four) for a grand total of 7 laps.


  983.   Stan posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:03 pm
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2017 Xfinity Series Predictions:

-Kyle Busch continues to be the "King of the Minors", winning 8/9 out of
his max 10 races.

-Blake Koch and Bubba Wallace will each score a fuel-mileage upset.

-Matt Tifft will win one of the Iowa races, and Brian Scott will come
out of retirement and win the other.

-A JD Motorsports car will win at Daytona, and a back-marker team will
score a top 10 at each of the restrictor plate tracks.

-Elliott Sadler will regress, but still make the Xfinity Chase grid.

-Jeremy Clements will have some decent runs and narrowly score the final
spot in the Chase.

-William Byron will win multiple races and be a threat to win the
championship.

Xfinity Chase:
Elliott Sadler
Daniel Suarez
Matt Tifft
Blake Koch
Justin Allgaier
William Byron
Cole Custer
Daniel Hemric
Brandon Jones
Jeremy Clements
Ryan Reed
Darrell Wallace Jr.

Race by race projections to come tomorrow.


  984.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 8:31 pm
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THIS JUST IN: Greg Biffle leaves Roush, as expected. However, he will
NOT be going to the second JTG car, that will go to... Chris Buescher.
The #16 team will be shut down, and Biffle will be a free agent.


  985.   DB1995 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 9:35 pm
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Didn't Penske say they were running a second xfinity car next year? If
so any idea who will drive it?


  986.   Dave#35Fan posted:
  11.21.2016 - 9:37 pm
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"Didn't Penske say they were running a second xfinity car next year? If
so any idea who will drive it?"

I'm assuming Penske will run the #22 with Logano/Keslowski/Blaney and
Austin Cindric in the #12.


  987.   Captain51 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 9:47 pm
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No.. Cindric is signed to drive the full truck season for BKR


  988.   Jesse2 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 10:22 pm
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Harvick!!! 3 in a row, WOW! New dynasty!!!


  989.   Jesse2 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 10:33 pm
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Nevermind, I see it's only 2 years in a row he got the most points.
Still, two in a row is pretty bragable.


  990.   Jesse2 posted:
  11.21.2016 - 10:33 pm
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Guess how many times Johnson had the most actual points in back to back
years.


  991.   Anonymous posted:
  11.21.2016 - 10:57 pm
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Five?


  992.   Windows Millennium Edition posted:
  11.22.2016 - 7:38 am
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Umm...

From Bob Pockrass Twitter: "Tad Geschickter says nothing done yet as far
as plans for second JTG car next year."


  993.   Team Chevy posted:
  11.22.2016 - 11:17 am
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2016 NASCAR Moments Best and Worst


  994.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  11.22.2016 - 3:36 pm
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"Homestead TV Ratings: Ratings for Sunday's NASCAR Sprint Cup finale
broadcast on NBC saw a 25% dip over a year ago despite the dramatic race
won by Jimmie Johnson on the final lap. The race drew a 3.32 overnight
rating, NBC announced Monday. Last year's broadcast --- which was aided
by the fact the race was delayed 90 minutes and took up nearly the
entire first hour of Football Night in America --- earned a 4.41 rating.
NASCAR ratings tend to edge higher when the final national numbers are
released.(USA Today)(11-22-2016)"

And the ratings continue to fall :(


  995.   Damon posted:
  11.22.2016 - 4:34 pm
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Yes, but the ratings were up 13% compared to 2014 and the race was the
third most watched Homestead finale in terms of viewers since 2008,
rating behind 2015 (Gordon/late finish) and 2011 (Stewart/Edwards duel).


It's also worth noting the peak for last year's race (12.4 million
viewers) was from 7:45-7:56 pm est and this year's (8.4 million viewers)
was an hour earlier essentially from 6:45-7 pm est.


  996.   Stan posted:
  11.22.2016 - 10:37 pm
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2017 Sprint Cup Race by Race Predictions:

Daytona: Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Atlanta: Chase Elliott
Las Vegas: Martin Truex Jr.
Phoenix: Danica Patrick (rain shortened race)
Auto Club: Jimmie Johnson
Martinsville: Matt Kenseth
Texas: Erik Jones
Bristol: Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
Richmond: Dale Earnhardt Jr. (2)
Talladega: Michael McDowell
Kansas: Kurt Busch
All Star Race: Kyle Busch
Charlotte: Kevin Harvick
Dover 1: Kyle Larson
Pocono 1: Kyle Larson (2)
Michigan 1: Erik Jones (2)
Sonoma: Kyle Busch
Daytona 2: Joey Logano
Kentucky: Carl Edwards
New Hampshire: Brad Keselowski
Indianapolis: Chase Elliott (2)
Pocono 2: Denny Hamlin
Watkins Glen: Kevin Harvick
Michigan: Kyle Larson (3)
Bristol: Matt Kenseth (2)
Darlington: Jimmie Johnson (2)
Richmond: Kevin Harvick (2)

Chase Predictions:
Chicago: Jimmie Johnson (3)
New Hampshire: Carl Edwards (2)
Dover: Kyle Larson (4)

Eliminated: Danica Patrick, Michael McDowell, Ricky Stenhouse Jr., Kurt
Busch

Charlotte: Kevin Harvick (3)
Kansas: Kevin Harvick (4)
Talladega: Trevor Bayne (non-chaser)

Eliminated: Denny Hamlin, Chase Elliott, Joey Logano, Erik Jones

Martinsville: Dale Earnhardt Jr. (3)
Texas: Kyle Busch (2)
Phoenix: Jimmie Johnson (4)

Eliminated: Carl Edwards, Kyle Larson, Brad Keselowski, Martin Truex Jr.

Final 4: Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Busch, Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Homestead: Kyle Larson (5)
Champion: Jimmie Johnson takes his 8th title, breaking the record, and
announces retirement on the championship stage.


  997.   Ed posted:
  11.22.2016 - 10:46 pm
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Wow Stan, those are some ambitious predictions


  998.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.22.2016 - 11:11 pm
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So off the top of my head, Roush has lost in one weekend:

-Their longest tenured driver (Biffle)
-(Potentially) their best up and coming driver (Buescher)
-Another primary sponsor (Zest)
-A long tenured crewman (Reiser)

...ouch.


  999.   Blue Palaski posted:
  11.22.2016 - 11:25 pm
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Buesher is being loned to JTG, technically Roush still has him under
contract.


  1000.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.23.2016 - 7:18 am
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I don't think Danica winning is too ambitious. The haters around here
will say otherwise but it's not that too farfetched.


  1001.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.23.2016 - 1:07 pm
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Who would have won the title, if the old Chase for the Cup had been
still in place?

1. Kyle Busch 2357 -
2. Joey Logano 2352 5
3. Jimmie Johnson 2323 34
4. Denny Hamlin 2320 37
5. Kurt Busch 2296 61
6. Kevin Harvick 2289 68
7. Chase Elliott 2285 72
8. Martin Truex Jr. 2271 86
9. Brad Keselowski 2267 90
10. Carl Edwards 2255 102
11. Jamie McMurray 2231 126
12. Austin Dillon 2223 134

Thanks to 12 Kyle's bonus points to Joey's 3, Kyle would win the title
by just 5 points. And don't forget he and Carl intentionally didn't race
100 % at Talladega in order to advance to the next round safely.


  1002.   JSPorts posted:
  11.23.2016 - 1:08 pm
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Here's what the final standings would've looked like if NASCAR used the
F1 points system:
1st: Kyle Busch, 331
2nd: Kevin Harvick, 330
3rd: Joey Logano, 297
4th: Brad Keselowski, 280
5th: Denny Hamlin, 248
6th: Jimmie Johnson, 235
7th: Carl Edwards, 219
8th: Martin Truex, Jr., 199
9th: Matt Kenseth, 191
10th: Kyle Larson, 190
11th: Chase Elliott, 162
12th: Kurt Busch, 158
13th: Tony Stewart, 89
14th: Austin Dillon, 87
15th: Dale Earnhardt, Jr., 86
16th: Kasey Kahne, 81
17th: Jamie McMurray, 62
18th: Ryan Blaney, 54
19th: Ryan Newman, 52
20th: A.J. Allmendinger, 50
21st: Ricky Stenhouse, Jr., 50
22nd: Chris Buescher, 35
23rd: Trevor Bayne, 29
24th: Greg Biffle, 22
25th: Regan Smith, 19
26th: Brian Scott, 18
27th: Alex Bowman, 15
28th: Clint Bowyer, 12
29th: Jeff Gordon, 9
30th: Matt DiBenedetto, 8
31st: Brian Vickers, 6
32nd: Paul Menard, 6
33rd: Aric Almirola, 4
34th: Michael McDowell, 2
35th: all other drivers would be 35th-61st, with tiebreakers used


  1003.   racefangurl posted:
  11.23.2016 - 1:17 pm
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1000, maybe a luck or strategy win, but that's all. Like a Martinsville
rainout or a plate track win.


  1004.   Scott B posted:
  11.23.2016 - 1:33 pm
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@1002

I don't follow F1 closely, but applying their points system to Cup seems
to give a pretty fair result.

The only serious discrepancy I see is Truex being ranked 8th, I'd have
him a bit higher for the amount of laps he was up front (even if his
finish position didn't reflect how well he ran during the bulk of the race).

Still, the system reflects the relative strengths quite well.


  1005.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.23.2016 - 4:07 pm
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@1003

She's shown top level speed before. It's only been a few times but the
possibility exists for it to happen without the rainout circumstances.


  1006.   Seibaru posted:
  11.23.2016 - 4:47 pm
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@1005 I agree she has in the past shown speed. Remember what I said? She
once beat Tommy Kendall, one of the best American road racers in
history. She won Motegi, though the talent pool in the IRL at that time
was a bit shallow and they didn't even have a full field (remember, Long
Beach was the same day). She was polesitter for the 500, though again,
with a full qualifying setup, anyone can get the pole. Derrike Cope once
almost got the pole for a race as recently as 2004 or so.

...So, tell me. Where's that speed now? Oh wait, she's no longer working
to improve what she can do. I agree she would be running much better if
she practiced and honed her abilities, but she's going the way of Casey
Atwood, in that she's assuming that what talent she had will carry her
over. Unlike Casey, who was naive and didn't get the message, Danica has
a contract and is a big name already for who she is off the track. She
ignores the message, simply because she can.


  1007.   dennyfan11 posted:
  11.23.2016 - 4:57 pm
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Shown speed... Explains why she's gone 65 races without a top 10.

I really am getting sick of this whole debate.


  1008.   racefangurl posted:
  11.23.2016 - 5:12 pm
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1005, she can't race, except at those tracks I mentioned. Then, she
looks a little more like a racer. Like Ricky and Bristol. Ricky's good
at Bristol, but not so good elsewhere and Danica's better at plate
tracks (Daytona pole) and Martinsville than other tracks.


  1009.   racefangurl posted:
  11.23.2016 - 5:16 pm
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Well, Ricky's issues might be due to Roush's problems. However, except
for Biffle, Roush did pick up this year. Maybe there were a bit like
2013 Roush, since they had speed then and this year (especially early in
the season).


  1010.   Jolly Mean Giant posted:
  11.23.2016 - 5:35 pm
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Ah, the classic, "is Danica actually really talented but in bad
equipment/is she just a hack" argument. It will never die, no matter how
much you want it to. For no matter how each side has completely
exhausted and beaten the same old material to provide their case,
they'll never get tired of debating it...sigh...

Seriously, if I could make one wish it would be for this debate to die
off. I'm getting sick of seeing people on both sides just beat the same
old points to death and death. The truth with Danica, as I've said
before, lies somewhat in between IMO. (As often seems to be the case
with arguments like this) Not the least talented driver of all time, nor
would I dare say she's the LEAST talented driver in an upper level
NASCAR ride right now, but...SHR is undeniably good equipment and I find
it rather silly for people to pin the blame on her not performing well
on EVERYTHING but her as if she can't do any wrong. (I find the whole
"SHR gives her their worst equipment, the experimental stuff" argument a
tad hard to believe because from a logical standpoint, considering how
much of a cash cow she is and how good it would be for the sport for her
to be hugely successful (now this is one thing I can and will agree with
our resident Danica fanboy on-maybe the only thing!-her celebrity status
is enough that her being a top-level driver contending for wins on a
regular basis would definitely provide at least a bit of a boost to the
sport, ratings and attendance wise...), it would make MORE sense for
them to give her their BEST equipment to ensure the possibility of her
doing very well...I don't know, maybe it's just me. Maybe they already
did that and she couldn't perform with it, I don't know...) She's a
mediocre NASCAR driver but not the worst, or even one of the 50 worst,
drivers of all time. My final say-so on this.

For the love of God people...LET THIS DEBATE DIE. Neither side is ever
going to agree to disagree on this; you've both said everything that CAN
be said, for and against her! I swear, if this whole offseason (on race
comments and on the new forum, when it opens) is full of nothing but a
never-ending Danica debate, I might actually turn into the Incredible
Hulk, and I don't think anyone would want that!


  1011.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.23.2016 - 5:52 pm
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Since JSports did the F1 Points,

2016 Cup Series using the 1983-2003 CART Points System

1. Kevin Harvick- 315
2. Kyle Busch- 313 (-2)
3. Joey Logano- 294 (-21)
4. Brad Keselowski- 268 (-47)
5. Denny Hamlin- 241 (-74)
6. Jimmie Johnson- 221 (-94)
7. Carl Edwards- 209 (-106)
8. Martin Truex, Jr.- 198 (-117)
9. Matt Kenseth- 187 (-128)
10. Kyle Larson- 183 (-132)
11. Kurt Busch- 173 (-142)
12. Chase Elliott- 172 (-143)
13. Austin Dillon- 103 (-212)
14. Kasey Kahne- 89 (-226)
15. Tony Stewart- 87 (-228)
16. Dale Earnhardt, Jr.- 83 (-232)
17.Jamie McMurray- 76 (-239)
18. Ryan Blaney- 72 (-243)
19. Ryan Newman- 69 (-246)
20. A.J. Allmendinger- 58 (-257)
21. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.- 56 (-259)
22. Trevor Bayne- 37 (-278)
23. Chris Buescher- 30 (-285)
24. Greg Biffle- 30 (-285)
25. Regan Smith- 19 (-296)
26. Alex Bowman- 19 (-296)
27. Brian Scott- 17 (-298)
28. Clint Bowyer- 16 (-299)
29. Jeff Gordon- 13 (-302)
30. Paul Menard- 13 (-302)
31. Matt DiBenedetto- 8 (-307)
32. Michael McDowell- 7 (-308)
33. Brian Vickers- 6 (-309)
34. Aric Almirola- 4 (-311)
35. Danica Patrick- 2 (-313)
36. Casey Mears- 2 (-313)
37. Landon Cassill- 2 (-313)
38. Cole Whitt- 2 (-313)
39. Michael Waltrip- 1 (-314)

Everyone else failed to score points.


  1012.   JSPorts posted:
  11.23.2016 - 6:48 pm
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Looks good, Maverick.

As for the Danica debate, I'm not going to comment on it now because it
would just be a waste of my time. I am really getting sick of it.
Danica10Racer & Damon clearly just want to get a response out of people
on here, there's no way they actually think she has speed or is a good
driver. The best thing to do is just let it go and let it die, which is
tough (and I'm included here, because I don't do a very good job of
that). It isn't even really a debate, it's just 99% of us throwing out
numbers and stats and all sorts of facts to disprove the trolls.


  1013.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.23.2016 - 7:28 pm
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@1006

Oh it's still there, but she didn't have the sexy top 10 runs this
season. This was her best season in terms of consistency and she
finished consistently better overall than she had in the past. I'm not
talking about just her average finish but she actually ran better during
the races than she had been in the past.

I think keeping her and Billy together (even though since Charlotte it
was a disaster) is the best thing for her. She's stepped up her
performance in running order this year, now she has to get the good
finishes.

That's not even counting the number of times that she could have had a
good finish and something happened right at the end.


@1008

That's simply not true. The track where I actually think it will happen
is a 1.5 mile cookie cutter track. Her performance during her career has
gotten progressively better and better at those tracks. Her best run in
NASCAR came at one of those tracks and she consistently finds herself
running in the top 20 at those tracks now.

One of the major factors that I haven't seen with Danica compared to
other drivers is that she has never had a bunch of races where she
unloaded off the truck with a lot of speed. I'm not blaming her for that
because she is a rhythm driver. The more laps in a race, the better off
she is and the faster she runs.


  1014.   Seibaru posted:
  11.23.2016 - 8:42 pm
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@1013 'Oh it's still there, but she didn't have the sexy top 10 runs
this season.'

'Oh it's still there, but she didn't have the *sexy* top 10 runs this
season.'

*slams head on keyboard*

...I think I see your reasoning as to why you think her driving ability
is fine as it is, it's because there's nothing wrong with running
midfield. And you know what, you'd be right on that point. But you can't
just run there, you have to show signs that you are willing and able to
improve. The reason we like Alex Bowman's driving ability is because
he's shown flashes of brilliance. Sure, he's a midfielder, but every few
races he'll run with the lead pack. Danica's definition of flashes of
brilliance is running five spots ahead, 15th instead of 20th. Bowman
usually placed the car in around 15th (he was also very unlucky,
remember). However, every few events, he'd run in the top five.
Sometimes, inconsistency is a better thing than consistency...just as
long as it isn't Justin Labonte 2004 NBS inconsistency.

This debate will NOT touch upon Danica's personality. I wish to keep
this brief and civilized on both ends.


  1015.   Danica10Racer posted:
  11.23.2016 - 10:11 pm
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@1014

You read one part of my response and decided to post on that without
reading the rest because I addressed the rest of your post already.


  1016.   Sector posted:
  11.23.2016 - 10:49 pm
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"@1013 'Oh it's still there, but she didn't have the sexy top 10 runs
this season.'

'Oh it's still there, but she didn't have the sexy top 10 runs this season.'

*slams head on keyboard*"

This made my night. Thank you. LMAO


  1017.   Stan posted:
  11.23.2016 - 10:50 pm
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Here are my Xfinity Race Predictions:

Daytona: Joey Logano
Atlanta: Chase Elliott
Las Vegas: Kyle Busch
Phoenix: William Byron
Auto Club: Joey Logano (2)
Texas: Ryan Blaney
Bristol: Kyle Larson
Richmond: William Byron (2)
Talladega: Ross Chastain
Charlotte: Kyle Busch (2)
Dover: Daniel Suarez
Pocono: Kyle Busch (3)
Michigan: Kyle Busch (4)
Iowa: Matt Tifft
Daytona: Matt Tifft (2)
Kentucky: Justin Allgaier
New Hampshire: Denny Hamlin
Indianapolis: Kyle Busch (5)
Iowa: Brian Scott
Watkins Glen: Joey Logano (3)
Mid-Ohio: Alon Day
Bristol: Kyle Busch (6)
Road America: Blake Koch
Darlington: Darrell Wallace Jr.
Richmond: Kyle Busch (7)
Chicago: Kyle Busch (8)

Chase Round of 12:
Kentucky: William Byron (4)
Dover: Darrell Wallace Jr. (2)
Charlotte: Ryan Blaney (2)

Eliminated: Ross Chastain, Brandon Jones, Jeremy Clements, Daniel Hemric

Chase Round of 8:
Kansas: Daniel Suarez (2)
Texas: William Byron (5)
Phoenix: Ricky Stenhouse Jr.

Eliminated: Blake Koch, Darrell Wallace Jr., Elliott Sadler, Cole Custer

Final Four: William Byron, Daniel Suarez, Justin Allgaier, Matt Tifft

Homestead: Daniel Suarez (3) and Champion



  1018.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.23.2016 - 11:02 pm
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numbah10hatah called, he wants his dead horse back.


  1019.   David posted:
  11.24.2016 - 7:26 am
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The forum is up and ready for registration, for those interested:
http://racingreference.boards.net/


  1020.   The Long Shot posted:
  11.24.2016 - 7:26 am
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The new RR forum is open at racingreference.boards.net.


  1021.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.24.2016 - 7:26 am
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1017. Kyle most probably won't win at Indianapolis, if they keep it as a
Dash 4 Cash race.


  1022.   Anonymous posted:
  11.24.2016 - 7:47 am
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@990 "Guess how many times Johnson the most actual points in back to
back years."
@991 "Five?"
Counting on-track points totals, JJ has never earned the most points in
back to back years.


  1023.   Tide1732 posted:
  11.24.2016 - 10:47 am
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New rumors

Regan Smith can drive the #23 for BK Racing
Alex Bowman can run in #44
The #34 can back with David Gilliand, or changed for #35 (A Rookie
Driver is Been rumored)
Greg Biffle can drives the #74 for JTG

#55 Backs to divide Sorenson,Alex Kennedy for Road Courses and + 3
rookie drivers.

Josh wise can runs the #55 or moves to Go Fas for restrictor plates

DiBenedetto back to run the alternate numbers for BK Racing, #83 and #93


  1024.   Blue Palaski posted:
  11.24.2016 - 11:32 am
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You forget D10R she will be 35 next season, an age at which many drivers
start to decrease in competitiveness. And that's not sour grapes, it's
scientific fact that your cognitive functions start to decrease in your
mid-30's. The outliers can compensate based on pure talent, but those
are rare, and they are wayyyyyyyy better drivers than her.


  1025.   Sector posted:
  11.24.2016 - 12:19 pm
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"Daytona: Joey Logano
Atlanta: Chase Elliott
Las Vegas: Kyle Busch
Phoenix: William Byron
Auto Club: Joey Logano (2)
Texas: Ryan Blaney
Bristol: Kyle Larson
Richmond: William Byron (2)
Talladega: Ross Chastain
Charlotte: Kyle Busch (2)
Dover: Daniel Suarez
Pocono: Kyle Busch (3)
Michigan: Kyle Busch (4)
Iowa: Matt Tifft
Daytona: Matt Tifft (2)
Kentucky: Justin Allgaier
New Hampshire: Denny Hamlin
Indianapolis: Kyle Busch (5)
Iowa: Brian Scott
Watkins Glen: Joey Logano (3)
Mid-Ohio: Alon Day
Bristol: Kyle Busch (6)
Road America: Blake Koch
Darlington: Darrell Wallace Jr.
Richmond: Kyle Busch (7)
Chicago: Kyle Busch (8)"

Do we even know what Dash4Cash races there will be? I honestly think
Kyle will race at Phoenix (to get 10th pole at a single track), Pocono
(winless), Watkins Glen (winless), then the remaining races where he has
won 8 times to work on getting those wins to 10 (Texas, Charlotte, both
Bristol assuming both aren't Dash4Cash races). That's 3-4 more random
Xfinity races to determine.

I'm guessing both Richmond, Fontana/Darlington?


  1026.   Suburban Shaman (frm BluesTravelerFan) posted:
  11.24.2016 - 12:35 pm
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I'm glad to hear the forum is up, but I hope this place won't be
rendered totally obsolete, not sure if I'll make it to the other boards.


  1027.   Xxplode posted:
  11.24.2016 - 1:43 pm
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Tbf, I will almost certainly post way more on the forum then on here.
Forums are more my style then this. That said, I think this will improve
the overall quality of this board too, because I think you will see
people make higher quality posts when they do post. That's my hope
anyway. I will still be here all the time though. I think most will use
both. I dint think this board will be rendered obsolete in any way,
shape, or form.


  1028.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.24.2016 - 1:50 pm
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We'll still be around.


  1029.   Mannoroth posted:
  11.24.2016 - 1:50 pm
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1025. As far as Kyle Busch's schedule is concerned, he'll most
definitely miss all 3 superspeedway races with all the standalone races
(he's out of that stuff since 2012). Plus, there will be 4 Dash 4 Cash
races on non-standalone tracks, so that makes 15 races available for
experienced Buschwhackers. And I'm sure Kyle will use as many starts as
possible, especially for winning at tracks he has never won at (Pocono
and Watkins Glen).

And what about Brad Keselowski? Do you think he'll be winless for the
second year in a row? I really doubt it...


  1030.   racefangurl posted:
  11.25.2016 - 12:26 am
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I'm avoiding the forum, except to read. Too much irrational spew and too
many stupid comments on my part as a poster on these boards.


  1031.   racefangurl posted:
  11.25.2016 - 12:44 am
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If Roush shuts down sometime, I think Ricky might find a home someplace
(perhaps an RPM or Ganassi type team). Trevor (if he was still a Roush
driver), on the other hand, would either be picked up by a team
desperate for money or just drop out of racing and do what he said he'd
do if he wasn't racing. Once someone asked him in a Q&A what he'd do if
he wasn't a racer and his answer was "spreadin' the word". Home missions
or MRO is what I imagine him doing in that situation. If he didn't have
MS, he might be able to land on a mid-pack team that needed a driver,
given he's a Daytona 500 winner. But as things are, I think only a team
that needed AdvoCare money might reach out to him in the event of a
Roush shutdown.


  1032.   Conspiracy Theorist posted:
  11.25.2016 - 11:47 am
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Amazing that NASCAR always finds some way for the Homestead race to be
won by one of the four racing for the Championship. I guess if all 4 of
them wrecked on the opening lap, the rest of the field would all drop
out before the end of the race so they could get back in and one of them
could win the race. I can see this happening sometimes, but really?
every Freaking year? NASCAR just wants to make their stupid Chase look
legitimate.


  1033.   Sector posted:
  11.25.2016 - 12:38 pm
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It just happens. It was crunch time and Jimmie Johnson wanted to win
more than anyone, and so it happened. Kyle and Kevin did have the best
car(s) the past two years, despite the odd pit stop from Jeff Gordon in
2014, which isn't a rarity anyway on bad calls from the 24 camp.


  1034.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.26.2016 - 5:28 pm
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Junior is going to win at Dayton? That's a rather interesting
prediction, considering NASCAR hasn't raced there since 1952.


  1035.   RedBeard posted:
  11.26.2016 - 11:03 pm
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Sponsor of #78 Martin Truex, Jr. should be Bass Pro Shops / Denver
Mattress as per telacast


  1036.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.28.2016 - 1:49 am
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Well my comment #1034 looks completely out of place now that the comment
I was replying to was deleted.


  1037.   JSPorts posted:
  11.28.2016 - 8:50 am
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Lol. It happens. We saw the previous comment, so we know what you were
talking about.


  1038.   Tide1732 (Danica Wes Cobb) posted:
  11.28.2016 - 11:19 am
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34- Casey Mears
44- A Xfinity series driver is been rumored for ROTY
23- Regan Smith
74- Greg Biffle
55 (Random Drivers)


  1039.   Tide1732 (Danica Wes Cobb) posted:
  11.28.2016 - 11:19 am
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Mears is probably a four driver to retire?

Biffle can retires?


  1040.   Seibaru posted:
  11.28.2016 - 11:51 am
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@1038 74 is taken by Buescher.


  1041.   Tide1732 (Danica Wes Cobb) posted:
  11.28.2016 - 1:27 pm
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Only 3 drivers already make a possibly final cup starts?

Casey Mears,Regan Smith and Greg Biffle?


  1042.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.28.2016 - 3:26 pm
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Jay Mohr will return to host the Awards Banquet on Friday. No complaints
from me.


  1043.   Tyler posted:
  11.28.2016 - 5:48 pm
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I'm afraid that we'll have trouble getting a full field of 40 cars for 2017.
Ganassi-2 teams
Germain-1
Hendrick-4
JTG-probably 2
Leavine-1
RCR-3
Front row-2
Go FAS-1
Petty-2
Roush-2
Stewart Haas-4
Penske-2
BK racing-2
Furniture row-2
Gibbs-4
Wood brothers-1
Premium-2? (Ran 1 car towards the end of the season)
The motorsports group (TMG)-1
Here's the teams that have to run for a full field
Roush-has to bring back the 16
TBR-hopefully decides to run full time
BK racing-maybe 3rd car full time?
If drivers don't bring sponsors, watch the car counts struggle a LOT
next year to reach 40, maybe even for the Daytona 500


  1044.   JSPorts posted:
  11.28.2016 - 6:29 pm
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Here's what it will probably look like:
Charters (35 so far):
Ganassi: 2 (1-McMurray, 42-Larson)
Circle Sport: 1 (33?-Mears?)
Germain: 1 (13-T. Dillon (R))
Hendrick: 4 (5-Kahne, 24-Elliott, 48-Johnson, 88-Earnhardt Jr)
HScott: 1 (15?-Bowman?)
JTG Daugherty: 1 (47-Allmendinger)
Leavine: 1 (95-McDowell)
Childress: 3 (3-A. Dillon, 27-Menard, 31-Newman)
Front Row: 2 (34-Buescher?, 38-Cassill)
Go FAS: 1 (32-Biffle?)
Petty: 2 (43-Almirola, 44-Biffle?)
Roush Fenway: 2 (6-Bayne, 17-Stenhouse Jr)
Stewart-Haas: 4 (4-Harvick, 10-Patrick, 14-Bowyer, 41-Ku. Busch)
Penske: 2 (2-Keselowski, 22-Logano)
BK: 2 (23-Ragan?, 83-DiBenedetto?)
Furniture Row: 1 (78-Truex Jr)
Gibbs: 4 (11-Hamlin, 18-Ky. Busch, 19-Edwards, 20-Kenseth)
Premium: 1 (98?-Sorenson?)
Full-time, no charter (6, 1 of these will most likely buy the 16
charter, my guess is the 21):
HScott: 1 (46?-Annett?)
JTG Daugherty: 1 (59?-Buescher?)
The Motorsports Group: 1 (30-Gaulding (R))
Wood: 1 (21-Blaney)
Furniture Row: 1 (77-Jones (R))
Premium: 1 (55?-Sorenson?)
So that would put us at 41 full-time entries. However, if a team closed
down (like HScott) or sold their charter (like Premium), that could put
us under 40 for some time. There are also some possible part-time teams (3):
Baldwin: 1 (7-Smith?)
Front Row: 1 (35-Gilliland?)
BK: 1 (93-Ellis (R)?)
I will say this: if enough teams sell their charters, we could see field
sizes as low as 36 by the end of next year. This is possible if the 16
sells to the 21, the 15 sells to the 59 and the 98 sells to the 77. It
could really happen. I have listed 44 teams here, and I bet 44 teams
attempt the Daytona 500, though I'm not sure they'll be these exact 44.
I bet that's the most cars we see attempt a race in 2017.


  1045.   Canadianfan posted:
  11.29.2016 - 10:29 pm
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NASCAR is looking at dropping the cup name from their premier series.
There is a race held at the end of the AMA Supercross season called the
Monster Energy Cup. It is held in Las Vegas and if you can win all three
of the races you win 1 million dollars. Monster Energy also does sponsor
the series and since this is been a rumour now for a little while it's
possible that they like to be the NASCAR Monster Energy series to not
confuse with that AMA race.


  1046.   cjs3872 posted:
  11.29.2016 - 11:22 pm
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As far as the news regarding Roush cutting back from three cars to two,
I predicted on this board some time ago that some of the aging car
owners that have not set up successions of ownership might fall by the
wayside. And of those owners, I thought Roush might be the first of them
to go because of how his organization has collapsed since 2013, which is
also when Penske rejoined the Ford ranks. I believe the decision to
reduce his team back to two cars for the first time since 1995 and give
JTG-Daugherty the Charter the #16 team had for it's second car, to be
driven by Chris Buescher, which guarantees that team a spot in every
race next season, is very telling. And despite their vow to get their
cars more competitive for Trevor Bayne and Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. at the
Cup level, I don't see Roush ever being able to do that, and I think
Greg Biffle also saw that, which is why he left.

I think that Roush going from three cars to two for 2017 is a sign that
this may be the beginning of the end for that once-proud racing
organization, not only because of their continuing sponsorship problems,
which goes back to Roush's affiliation with the Boston Red Sox, but also
because Jack Roush is 74 years old and has no plans in place that I know
of for anyone to succeed him as the head of the race team, unlike Joe
Gibbs (76 years of age), Richard Childress (71), Roger Penske (79, and
will turn 80 a week before next year's Daytona 500), and possibly even
Rick Hendrick (67), who all have plans for when they're no longer able
to run their race teams. It's for those reasons why I think this
decision may be the beginning of the end for Roush Racing.


  1047.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.29.2016 - 11:28 pm
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"Jack Roush is 74 years old and has no plans in place that I know of for
anyone to succeed him as the head of the race team, unlike Joe Gibbs (76
years of age), Richard Childress (71), Roger Penske (79, and will turn
80 a week before next year's Daytona 500), and possibly even Rick
Hendrick (67), who all have plans for when they're no longer able to run
their race teams. It's for those reasons why I think this decision may
be the beginning of the end for Roush Racing."

I don't think Roush will need to worry about having anyone to succeed
him as the head of his race team, since I honestly don't believe his
team will still be around by the time he would have to pass it on.


  1048.   JSPorts posted:
  11.29.2016 - 11:36 pm
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I've seen some people say this team will be gone by the end of 2017,
which I highly doubt. However, Bayne & AdvoCare are signed through 2019
while Stenhouse, Fifth Third and SunnyD are signed through 2017 and
Fastenal through 2018. Here is my prediction for the future of Roush
Fenway Racing:
2017: 6-Bayne, 17-Stenhouse
2018: 6-Bayne, 17-driver who brings sponsor
2019: 6-Bayne
2020: team shuts down
This wouldn't surprise me at all. I think Stenhouse may be shown the
door if they can't attract more sponsorship. Keep in mind that almost
all his sponsors (Fastenal, Fifth Third, and Zest & Best Buy in the
past) were brought to the team by either Carl Edwards or Matt Kenseth.
In 2018, this team will probably hire a driver who can bring a sponsor
to supplement Fastenal's commitment (about half the races) and will shut
down thereafter.


  1049.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.29.2016 - 11:40 pm
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That's another good point about the sponsors. SunnyD and Juicy Juice
(correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those actually part of the same
commpany?) are the only sponsors I can think of that Stenhouse
attracted. All the other ones are either still there from the Edwards/
Kenseth days or came with Bayne (AdvoCare) or Reed (Lilly).


  1050.   cjs3872 posted:
  11.30.2016 - 1:24 am
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That's the whole point, chevyfan98 (#1047). Jack's team has declined at
such a rate since Penske rejoined the Ford ranks in 2013 that, given
that he's 74 years of age and has survived TWO plane crashes, I think he
realizes that his team's days are numbered. I'm not sure I'd have
believed that to the degree I do as recently as the end of the 2014
season, but given that he's in his mid-70s and has no plans of
succession in place for when he's no longer able to run his team that I
believe he's scaling down his team for when he shuts it down, and I
don't think that any more than two years from now, unless something
radically changes. And I think Jack's age more than his loss of
sponsorships since teaming up with the Red Sox is the main reason why,
though like the other teams that attempted to partner up with other
sports organizations, it's been an utter disaster. At the time he
partnered up with the Red Sox, his organization had as many as 11 fully
funded teams, 5 in Cup, 4 in what's now the XFinity Series, and 2 in the
Truck Series. But ever since that partnership with the Red Sox, his
sponsorship has dried to the point of having only 3 fully funded teams,
as of 2017, two in Cup and one in the XFinity Series.

What the NASCAR team owners that tried to partner up with franchises
from other sports didn't realize is that those franchises had many times
more money than the NASCAR teams had, and so didn't really need to sell
sponsorship while preventing the NASCAR teams within their umbrella from
gaining sponsorship not associated with their own sports teams, and they
basically bled the NASCAR teams dry. That's what happened when Ray
Evernham tried to partner up with the Montreal Canadiens, and that's
what's happened with Roush and the Red Sox. While other organizations
merged with each other to try to stay afloat (and that also failed
miserably), the proposition of NASCAR's teams partnering up with teams
from other sports leagues was doomed to fail. That was the beginning of
Roush's sponsorship problems. Prior to that, Roush's team might have
been the richest in the entire sport when it came to sponsorships.

Saying that, I think Roush has had an exit plan ever since losing Matt
Kenseth and then Carl Edwards to Joe Gibbs Racing, because he's never
really had a plan for when he's no longer able to run his own team,
unlike the other top owners, most of whom have sons or other family
members to hand the team down to. And considering that he's older than
Bud Moore, Junie Donlavey, and Junior Junior Johnson were when they got
out of the sport, I suspect he's down scaling his organization to either
sell it or shut it down in two years.


  1051.   Tide1732 posted:
  11.30.2016 - 3:40 pm
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Only 'NASCAR Cup Series' in 2017?

No Sponsor in the 2017 Season?


  1052.   Tide1732 posted:
  11.30.2016 - 3:40 pm
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Greg Biffle probably drives the #44 for RPM
And Regan Smith can select the #34 or #23, Also is a Truck Series rookie
almost interessed to drive the #34, Smith can runs the #23


  1053.   Sector posted:
  11.30.2016 - 10:54 pm
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Okay, so I must ask you guys this. If you were to race in NASCAR's
premier series, and the racing Gods allowed you to win TWO NASCAR races,
which would you see yourself winning? Two lists down below... Among the
cookie cutter tracks, which one do you think is the most significant to
win at?

1) Texas Motor Speedway
2) Chicagoland Speedway
3) Kansas Speedway
4) Kentucky Speedway
5) Las Vegas Motor Speedway
6) Auto Club Speedway
7) Michigan International Speedway

Note: I didn't include Atlanta (since it'll win popular vote most likely
due to its dirt-like racing style) and Charlotte (One of the Grand Slam
races in May and the All-Star?) since they are banned from choosing.
What's your picks?

And as for the more challenging tracks for the driver (but not easily
chosen such as Bristol or Martinsville):

1) Phoenix International Raceway
2) Dover International Raceway
3) New Hampshire Motor Speedway
4) Richmond International Raceway
5) Pocono Raceway

Which two would you choose?


  1054.   484evs posted:
  11.30.2016 - 11:02 pm
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I'd say Las Vegas so I could hold the trophy and get my picture take
with those fine lookin women wearing the feathers and then Pocono, shows
some skill when you win there plus I live like an hour away


  1055.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.30.2016 - 11:20 pm
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Chicago I guess for the first one, it has some significance because its
the first race of the chase and has a unique shape (no straightaways
except for out of turn four and into turn one). And Pocono for the
second one, most challenging track on the schedule besides the road
courses.


  1056.   Eric posted:
  11.30.2016 - 11:23 pm
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Chicagoland Speedway in terms of cookie cutters. That place has special
meaning since it is only cup track that I saw a race in person.

Richmond International Speedway. I picked Richmond because I feel having
a short track win is important on a cup drivers resume.


  1057.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.30.2016 - 11:44 pm
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Texas (home track)

2nd one...I honestly can't chose. To me all 5 are equal.


  1058.   Sector posted:
  11.30.2016 - 11:44 pm
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"And Pocono for the second one, most challenging track on the schedule
besides the road courses."

So road courses > Pocono > Darlington? I honestly view Darlington as the
#1 most challenging track.

Interesting that Chicago is getting some love... I expected Las Vegas to
be chosen the most due to being...well Vegas.

I personally hate the cookie cutter tracks (except Atlanta, not a big
fan of Charlotte either), however I'd go with Vegas due to having a slot
in No Bull 5 when it was first introduced to the Cup series. Not that it
had any significant, though only the best and more popular tracks
deserve to be in that (and the Winston Million).

As for slot #2. I don't really like Richmond all that much, I view it as
a baby version of Chicago/Kentucky/Vegas/Kansas the way its laid out.
Martinsville and Bristol has way more meaning in my opinion and I'd
emphasize Dover/Phoenix wins over Richmond to be honest. New
Hampshire/Loudon is cool, it's a bigger version of Martinsville, but I'd
gladly choose Phoenix over it. So I'm back and forth between Phoenix vs
Pocono. I'd probably go with Pocono.

TL;DR- Las Vegas & Pocono.


  1059.   chevyfan98 posted:
  11.30.2016 - 11:49 pm
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Darlington is basically just Homestead but with two differently shaped
corners. Not saying that's not challenging, but I don't think its as
challenging as three completely different corners and certainly not the
road courses. Of course, I've never driven on any of these tracks so I
can't really judge.


  1060.   Sector posted:
  12.01.2016 - 12:21 am
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Anyway, I was asking because I made a little project on Excel of some
random racing career I provided for myself out of boredom. I did numbers
on one reason of NASCAR West/East series together, then two seasons of
Truck, two seasons of "Second Series" (It's Xfinity, no matter the
sponsor they don't have a specific name to call themselves like Truck
and Cup does). 25 Seasons of Cup (Yes, I managed to make myself win 105
times to tie David Pearson and 5 Championships. Bite me lmao). Then 7
Seasons of IndyCar (Two time Champ, one time Indy 500 winner following a
photo finish loss the previous year), and 3 F1 seasons, winning the
World Championship the second year. Then added winning one Snowball
Derby, 2 24 Rolex at Daytona, 3 time Le Mans winner in France and a 1
time winner at Sebring.

I guess I feel like making a random, out of the blue career to
synchronize A.J. Foyt or something haha. One can dream.


  1061.   Eric posted:
  12.01.2016 - 12:43 am
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Sector,

It shouldn't be surprising I mentioned Chicagoland since it is
considered my hometrack from the cup series side.


  1062.   Sector posted:
  12.01.2016 - 12:56 am
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You were also not the only one who mentioned it :P

Technically my home tracks are: Pocono, Kentucky, Michigan &
Indianapolis. Can you guess where I'm from?


  1063.   someone posted:
  12.01.2016 - 2:10 am
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For the first list, I'd probably pick Auto Club... at least until it
gets repaved. Seems like it takes some level of skill to do well there
nowadays.

For the second list, I'd definitely chose Dover. Dover and New Hampshire
are the only two tracks I attended in person, but Dover wins out because
it has my favorite trophy!

Of course, I'd love to win at my home track... Watkins Glen!


  1064.   Niles Y93 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 7:07 am
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@1062

Ohio?


  1065.   Scott B posted:
  12.01.2016 - 11:43 am
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1053-

Michigan from the first list. The close proximity to the "Big 3"
corporate HQ gave it some extra historical significance.

Phoenix from the second list, seems like a pretty challenging track to
drive.


  1066.   Sector posted:
  12.01.2016 - 12:25 pm
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"@1062

Ohio?"

Bingo!


  1067.   Alex posted:
  12.01.2016 - 4:50 pm
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The Monster Cup...


  1068.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 4:52 pm
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So is it going to be the Monster Energy Cup Series or just the Monster
Energy Series? I heard they may be taking "Cup" out of it to avoid
confusion with the "Monster Energy Cup" which is apparently something
else entirely. I hope not though...


  1069.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 4:59 pm
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Probably #34 and #23 Will not run in the 2017 Season.


  1070.   1995 Subaru WRX Sti posted:
  12.01.2016 - 5:09 pm
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"So is it going to be the Monster Energy Cup Series or just the Monster
Energy Series? I heard they may be taking "Cup" out of it to avoid
confusion with the "Monster Energy Cup" which is apparently something
else entirely. I hope not though..."

There is a AMA Supercross race that is called the "Monster Energy Cup"
that the winner gets 1 million dollars (Kinda like the All-Star race but
for bikes). Takes place in Las Vegas.

If it is true that NASCAR has signed Monster then well i didn't see that
coming. But it would be a good PR for the sport.


  1071.   Niles Y93 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 5:23 pm
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@1070

It's official. They're even announcing it on the NASCAR website.


  1072.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 5:44 pm
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Official: NASCAR Monster Energy Premier Series is announced. (NMEPS)


  1073.   Windows Millennium Edition posted:
  12.01.2016 - 5:59 pm
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Sponsor updates:

#17 Lenox Industrial Tools/Fastenal
#42 Target/Crest/Coca-Cola
#78 Bass Pro Shops/Denver Mattress
#16 Roush Performance Products
#49 NASCAR Heat Evolution Now $49.99
#55 Royal Teak Collection/The Backyard Company
#32 Can-Am/CorvetteParts.net/Reallycheapfloors.com
#88 Axalta/FinishMaster Automotive & Industrial Paint
#59 Thrivent Financial/Nikko RC


  1074.   1995 Subaru WRX Sti posted:
  12.01.2016 - 6:08 pm
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Glad too see the other energy drink sponsers get grandfathered in and
not kicked out (like Sprint did with AT&T). It is good PR for NASCAR and
appeals too a younger generation.

Yeah it toke too long but they got one. Monster does a good job
promoting Supercross so it is a win-win for NASCAR as a whole.


  1075.   joey2448 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 6:11 pm
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Good move for the sport which will hopefully help pull in a younger and
different fanbase. Only thing I don't like is 1. the inconsistency of a
premier racing series constantly changing names after 30-plus years of
one sponsor. This is now the third different series name in the last 13
years, and 2. the name seems like a bit of a mouthful. Instead of a
one-word name like Winston or Sprint, "Monster Energy" Cup series seems
a bit much.


  1076.   Maverick19 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 7:47 pm
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"(like Sprint did with AT&T). It is good PR for NASCAR and appeals too a
younger generation."

If I'm not mistaken, weren't Cingular and Alltel grandfathered in, but
it was only when they switched to AT&T and Verizon that they were kicked
out?



  1077.   Seibaru posted:
  12.01.2016 - 7:58 pm
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No official series name yet. Of course, it'll probably either be Monster
Cup or Monster Energy Cup.


  1078.   SJ posted:
  12.01.2016 - 8:12 pm
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XXXTREEEEMEEEE


  1079.   1995 Subaru WRX Sti posted:
  12.01.2016 - 8:29 pm
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"If I'm not mistaken, weren't Cingular and Alltel grandfathered in, but
it was only when they switched to AT&T and Verizon that they were kicked
out?"

I know there was a lawsuit when they got kicked out. But i'm not
knowledgeable too the full details.


  1080.   Stan posted:
  12.01.2016 - 9:06 pm
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@1062

I would say that, despite the fact that the racing isn't the most
exciting in the world, Michigan Speedway. This being due to the fact
that it's the track closest to where I live in Ohio, and I have family
in Michigan (Detroit and Ann Arbor), so it would be a semi-home race...

For the second list, I would pick New Hampshire. Plus, I would get to
boil up and eat my trophy if I win.


  1081.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.01.2016 - 9:35 pm
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To whoever it was who was asking about After The Lap a while ago,
they're doing that tonight. I don't know if they're doing any special
game show type things though.


  1082.   dennyfan11 posted:
  12.02.2016 - 7:31 am
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I think it's an unusual sponsor, but it's good they have one.


  1083.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.03.2016 - 11:36 am
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Mears or Other to #44
Smith to #23

Probably Casey Mears retires from Cup Series, and will not run for first
division in 2017.


  1084.   Seibaru posted:
  12.03.2016 - 3:51 pm
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@1083 So you're saying Mears both runs the #44 in Cup and doesn't run
Cup at all in 2017. What.

...Honestly, I guess this isn't your strangest 'prediction'. #Kvapiltothe14


  1085.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.04.2016 - 5:46 pm
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So... guess its on me to break the big news?

http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/marchionne-confirms-dodge-on-verge-of-nascar-return-856864/


  1086.   Damon posted:
  12.04.2016 - 6:02 pm
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1085 - And here is where I assume that Penske goes back to Dodge when
this happens


  1087.   Anonymous posted:
  12.04.2016 - 6:16 pm
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Why would Penske even consider it? They had no support from Dodge their
last few years in the sport, why leave Ford for them?


  1088.   Damon posted:
  12.04.2016 - 7:47 pm
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It just seems like Penske type move, always trying to stay one step
ahead of the competition, especially with SHR coming to Ford in 2017


  1089.   Scott B posted:
  12.04.2016 - 8:49 pm
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Dodge isn't "on the verge" of returning to NASCAR. That's purely a click
bait story.


  1090.   racefangurl posted:
  12.04.2016 - 11:55 pm
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I forum banned myself due to some things I've said on this site. Like
that pie attitude I once had, all my fangirling and Roush talk. I just
feel I'd be unwanted over there.


  1091.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.05.2016 - 12:25 am
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^Why is it so hard for you to let it go even though the rest of us did
ages ago?


  1092.   HouseOfPenske posted:
  12.05.2016 - 2:04 am
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@1090 Nobody even noticed.


  1093.   Danica10Racer posted:
  12.05.2016 - 2:04 am
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@1090

Don't worry, you aren't the only one who is unwelcome over there. I'm
not even going to try because someone would insta-ban me.


  1094.   Dez Nuts posted:
  12.05.2016 - 2:13 am
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With that attitude your probably right.


  1095.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.05.2016 - 2:58 am
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"Dez Nuts"

Did he drop those too?


  1096.   Mile501 posted:
  12.05.2016 - 5:30 am
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#1090, #1093 - Anyone is welcome, and there is certainly no "insta-ban".

As for Dodge or any new manufacturer, one thing we know is that none of
them could enter the sport the way Toyota did in 2007, because of the
charter system. Starting multiple new teams is no longer an option. Any
manufacturer that enters the sport now only has the option of signing up
some already existing teams. And I can't think of any top-tier teams
that would have a good reason to want to switch to Dodge.


  1097.   Scott B posted:
  12.05.2016 - 12:05 pm
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I'm about 90% certain the Dodge brand won't exist 5-10 years from now.

Parent company FCA really only wanted a dealer network in the USA, the
Jeep brand, and RAM trucks (which was spun off from Dodge).

The Chrysler brand has been repositioned from a luxury badge to a more
downscale, general purpose passenger car & crossover nameplate. That's
the role that Dodge used to hold.

The long term corporate plan is to bring Fiat and Alfa Romeo back into
the North American market.

Long term outlook: Chrysler, Jeep, RAM, Fiat, Alfa. There's really
nothing to justify keeping Dodge going, other than tradition, which
doesn't pay the bills.


  1098.   Anonymous posted:
  12.05.2016 - 1:29 pm
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^^^and SRT


  1099.   racefangurl posted:
  12.06.2016 - 12:00 am
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1091, we are our own worst critics. Besides, the fangirling and Roush
talk are more recent than the-thing-I-can't-let-go.


  1100.   Scott B posted:
  12.06.2016 - 12:01 pm
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So, at this point I count 39 full time teams for 2017, based on these
assumptions:

a. All 36 charters are used.
b. Three non-chartered, full time teams run (#21, #30 and whichever car
Premium decides not to shield under their one charter).

At this point, Circle Sport holds one of those charters, but hasn't
announced their plans. That charter has already been leased once, so
unless they sell it, they'll need to field an entry or risk losing it
without any compensation.

My guess would be it will be BK Racing that steps up and runs an extra
entry if the car counts are low. Front Row could field an extra car at
plate tracks, and there are a few other candidates to run sporadic events.



  1101.   Canadianfan posted:
  12.06.2016 - 6:28 pm
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Something I saw on Jayski about the whole Dodge thing.

"Any manufacturer wanting to come into NASCAR for the 2017 season would
have had to make a formal request by September 2015. The current NASCAR
rules require race-car renderings for new models to be submitted by more
than a year before they ever are raced on the track. The deadline is
Oct. 1 (more than 15 months before the actual debut), if the production
car is already in production, and Jan. 1 (13 months before the debut),
if the production car will start being sold in the year the Cup model
debuts. A full-scale race car must be submitted to NASCAR by April 1
prior to the year of debut. To accomplish those tasks, an incoming
manufacturer likely would have to hire some top personnel away from
current NASCAR teams, and that has yet to happen."

So unless some manufacture has managed to keep it a secret and I don't
think they are allowed to based on what is written above. The earliest
we will see any new manufacture in NASCAR is 2019.


  1102.   that e-guy posted:
  12.07.2016 - 5:07 am
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Wouldn't surprise me if the whole manufacturer thing was a rumor. I
remember reading a Racing Milestone magazine back in the day and there
was a rumor that Porchse would come to NASCAR in 2009.


  1103.   RaceFanX posted:
  12.07.2016 - 8:57 am
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That's a weird one I haven't heard before. Does Porsche even have a
NASCAR eligible car? The only thing I can think of that would fit is the
Panamera but it is built in Germany. NASCAR rules dictate a
American-branded car or a vehicle produced in the United States (thus
the Toyota Camry and Tundra being included). NASCAR made no effort to
hide its effort to bring in the Volkswagen Group in some capacity,
either with VW or Audi, but it always seemed a long shot and with the
company now dialing back on all motorsports involvement following the
Dieselgate scandal the odds of that happening now are even longer.

I know NASCAR had a few second tier US brands that were legal but
unraced into the mid-1990s. Buick, Oldsmobile, and Mercury all had legal
models but without factory backing no one choose to ran them. Cale
Yarborough's #98 team tested and even painted up a Mercury Cougar with
their colors in 1993, thinking about racing it at Talladega, but it
never came to pass.


  1104.   90's NA$CAR Fan posted:
  12.07.2016 - 10:30 am
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Does anyone have photos of that '93 Mercury cougar that Yarborough
Motorsports painted up?


  1105.   Scott B posted:
  12.07.2016 - 11:40 am
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The Cougar was blogged about hear a while back.

http://racing-reference.info/showblog?id=2438


  1106.   1995 Subaru WRX Sti posted:
  12.07.2016 - 12:09 pm
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The reason Dodge is eyeing coming back is because of who owns it. Dodge
was owned by MB, which sold it too Cerebrus Capital. Whom trim costs and
extract cash from Dodge. Now it is owned by FIAT who controls Ferrari.
So there are people at the head of Dodge and FIAT whom know what racing
is and know racing period.

Dodge missed deadlines but they have smart people who know racing. I
personally do not have a problem if Dodge wants too return. If i was
king of the world i'd have Mercedes-Benz, Aston Martin, Jaguar and
Subaru in NASCAR. But that is pie in the sky talk.


  1107.   484evs posted:
  12.14.2016 - 8:45 pm
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What's up with Jayski's paint scheme page this off season?? Not updating
with what's coming out at all


  1108.   Seibaru posted:
  12.16.2016 - 2:07 pm
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...Unrelated, but I just downed my first Monster. I regret it. A lot.
NASCAR always seems to find sponsors whose products are, at best,
decent, and at worst...ugh.


  1109.   rm posted:
  12.16.2016 - 2:18 pm
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@1108 I don't want to say it's an acquired taste, but yeah if you're not
used to drinking energy drinks it's pretty unpleasant


  1110.   Alex posted:
  12.17.2016 - 10:33 am
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So we've lost, what, four or five full-time teams this offseason thus far?


  1111.   Maverick19 posted:
  12.17.2016 - 10:59 am
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-#7
-#46
-#15
-#44 (possibly)
-#16

Yeah, even with a couple new teams, it's not looking good...


  1112.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.17.2016 - 11:15 am
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The #44 is definitely gone. Saw an article yesterday saying RPM will be
a single-car team next year.


  1113.   18fan posted:
  12.17.2016 - 1:04 pm
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Right now it is a net loss of 3 cars. Lost the 2 HScott cars and one
each from Roush, RPM, and TBR and gained 1 each at Furniture Row and JTG.


  1114.   Scott B posted:
  12.17.2016 - 6:30 pm
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The #44 is supposed to be one a one-year hiatus, returning to RPM in
2018 when the lease on that charter expires. We'll see. I can't think of
any reason why funding would be easier to find to re-start the #44 in
2018 than to continue it in 2017.


  1115.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.19.2016 - 7:03 pm
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Thats a Beautiful Logo.

MENCS = Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series


  1116.   Canadianfan posted:
  12.19.2016 - 7:03 pm
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We have a name and a new logo. Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series.

https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/810952899387764736

https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/810954134262140928


  1117.   I Lost My Name posted:
  12.19.2016 - 10:23 pm
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So glad they are keeping the word cup


  1118.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.20.2016 - 5:49 pm
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Regan Smith and Casey Mears

what a recent situation for two drivers?

No Ride in 2017? Mears joins #33?


  1119.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.22.2016 - 3:19 pm
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And....

What a driver wil retire after 2017 season?

Gordon,Stweart and.....?


  1120.   Seibaru posted:
  12.22.2016 - 4:07 pm
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@1119 How about no one? The world will not turn to jelly if no one retires.


  1121.   Eric posted:
  12.22.2016 - 6:30 pm
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I don't see any cup star retiring this year unless Dale Jr. gets another
concussion. I know Dale Jr. is talking contract extension matter of
fact, but I think the amount of concussions he has in his racing career
could make it easy for to him get another one.


  1122.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.22.2016 - 6:35 pm
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Michael Waltrip will back to daytona 500 for #55 again in 2017?

WHAT?


  1123.   JSPorts posted:
  12.22.2016 - 6:55 pm
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I have not seen that rumored anywhere, but it wouldn't be too
far-fetched. Michael could put together a deal with Jay Robinson.


  1124.   rm posted:
  12.22.2016 - 10:02 pm
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Waltrip has hinted that he only wants to run one more 500, and a
partnership with Premium is probably the only shot he has left at this
point in time unless he wants to drive a slow BK Racing superspeedway
car. Kinda sad that BK Racing is behind even Premium at plate tracks,
they're probably only ahead of TMG for the past year in that track type.


  1125.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.22.2016 - 10:09 pm
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I thought the last 7 Daytona 500s were supposed to be his last Daytona 500?


  1126.   racefangurl posted:
  12.23.2016 - 11:29 am
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1119, Matt Kenseth is old and so is Greg Biffle. Maybe Biffle will
announce he's done with NASCAR and just racing his 69 at his track.
Kenseth might say he'll retire after his current contract runs out.


  1127.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.24.2016 - 4:56 am
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Michael Waltrip can run the #83 again?



  1128.   cjs3872 posted:
  12.24.2016 - 5:39 pm
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Thanks to Jayski's site, there's a list of the 36 teams expected to have
Charters for the 2017 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series season. While
they did not list drivers for any of the cars/teams, I'll list them WITH
the expected drivers, as far as I know. The listing is in numerical
order of the car number.

1. 1-Jamie McMurray (Chip Ganassi Racing)
2. 2-Brad Keselowski (Team Penske)
3. 3-Austin Dillon (Richard Childress Racing)
4. 4-Kevin Harvick (Stewart-Haas Racing)
5. 5-Kasey Kahne (Hendrick Motorsports)
6. 6-Trevor Bayne (Roush-Fenway Racing)
7. 10-Danica Patrick (Stewart-Haas Racing)
8. 11-Denny Hamlin (Joe Gibbs Racing)
9. 13-Ty Dillon (Germain Racing)
10. 14-Clint Bowyer (Stewart-Haas Racing)
11. 17-Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. (Roush-Fenway Racing)
12. 18-Kyle Busch (Joe Gibbs Racing)
13. 19-Carl Edwards (Joe Gibbs Racing)
14. 20-Matt Kenseth (Joe Gibbs Racing)
15. 21-Ryan Blaney (Wood Brothers Racing)
16. 22-Joey Logano (Team Penske)
17. 23-Joey Gase (BK Racing)
18. 24-Chase Elliott (Hendrick Motorsports)
19. 27-Paul Menard (Richard Childress Racing)
20. 30-Gray Gaulding-R (TMG-Circle Sport Racing)
21. 31-Ryan Newman (Richard Childress Racing)
22. 32-Matt DiBenedetto (Go Fas Racing)
23. 34-Landon Cassill (Front Row Motorsports)
24. 37-Chris Buescher (JTG-Daugherty Racing)
25. 38-David Ragan (Front Row Motorsports)
26. 41-Kurt Busch (Stewart-Haas Racing)
27. 42-Kyle Larson (Chip Ganassi Racing)
28. 43-Aric Almirola (Richard Petty Motorsports)
29. 47-A.J. Allmendinger (JTG-Daugherty Racing)
30. 48-Jimmie Johnson (Hendrick Motorsports)
31. 77-Erik Jones-R (Furniture Row Racing)
32. 78-Martin Truex, Jr. (Furniture Row Racing)
33. 83-Jeffrey Earhnardt (BK Racing)
34. 88-Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (Hendrick Motorsports)
35. 95-Michael McDowell (Leavine Family Racing)
36. 98-DRIVER TBA (Premium Motorsports)

NOTE: This is a preliminary listing of the car numbers, drivers, and
teams expected to use charters for the 2017 season, and is subject to
change before the Daytona 500.


  1129.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.24.2016 - 6:55 pm
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43

43-40 Fields

40-36 Fields?

Will continue to 40 field in 2017?


  1130.   cjs3872 posted:
  12.24.2016 - 8:34 pm
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Those are just a list of the 36 chartered teams, Tide1732. I'm sure
there will be other non-chartered teams that run most of, if not all the
races. The number of chartered teams is actually no different than last
season. But car count is actually something that I've been worried about
for several years, going back to the ill-fated 35-8 rule that was
adopted in 2005, and really hit as a result from the mergers in the late
2000s and the financial crush of 2008. And the fact that several major
teams are downscaling has to be worrisome. As recently as 2011, Jack
Roush successfully ran four cars, and now he's down to two cars that are
moderately competitive, at best. Penske has also made no attempt to
bolster his team since 2011, as he's run two cars since then, though
that's worked for him.

But really, except for Roush's team downsizing, most of the cars that
have fallen by the wayside the last couple of seasons have been the junk
equipment at the back of the field. Even Richard Petty'steam took a
couple of steps back in 2016. The loss of those cars at the back of the
field have actually resulted in the flow of the races being better
because of fewer cautions and more room for the good cars to race with
the smaller fields. And the expansion of both the JTG-Daugherty and
Furniture Row racing teams to two cars for the 2017 season is actually
an encouraging sign, because that puts two more good cars on the grid.
Car count is one thing, but if that means more junk equipment in the
field, then that has an adverse impact on the quality of racing. But
adding two more good cars should only enhance the quality of the
competition on the track in 2017.


  1131.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.31.2016 - 10:53 am
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Jimmie Johnson had most titles in a NBC Coverage.


  1132.   Tide1732 posted:
  12.31.2016 - 8:10 pm
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2017!


  1133.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.31.2016 - 8:26 pm
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If my time zone math is correct, Tide1732 lives in either West Africa or
Greenland.


  1134.   Maverick19 posted:
  12.31.2016 - 9:06 pm
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"If my time zone math is correct, Tide1732 lives in either West Africa
or Greenland."

If it was midnight 2017 at 8 pm ET, that'd be UTC -1:00. The only
regions under that time zone are some islands in the Atlantic...


  1135.   Seibaru posted:
  12.31.2016 - 9:25 pm
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HEY TIDE1732! DO YOU MIND TELLING US WHAT COUNTRY YOU COME FROM!?


  1136.   chevyfan98 posted:
  12.31.2016 - 9:35 pm
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^Do they speak English in What?

Actually, Wales is in that time zone too. Unless the map I'm looking at
is wrong. Or I can't time zone.


  1137.   Seibaru posted:
  12.31.2016 - 9:40 pm
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@1136 One does not simply time zone...


  1138.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 12:01 am
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It is officially 2017 on the east coast! Happy New Year!


  1139.   Seibaru posted:
  01.01.2017 - 12:04 am
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F*** you 2016, glad you're over and done with.


  1140.   RaceFanX posted:
  01.01.2017 - 12:11 am
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Happy New Year everyone!


  1141.   Maverick19 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 12:55 am
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6 minutes away for me...

All I'll say is that 2016 was probably the most important year of my
life. It royally sucked, but at the end of it I now have direction with
what I want to do.

Here's to 2017!


  1142.   2 & 88 Fan posted:
  01.01.2017 - 1:05 am
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Good Riddance 2016!

Hello 2017, Happy New Years everyone!


  1143.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.01.2017 - 1:53 pm
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Happy new year everyone

Just before Christmas I saw something that nobody has talked about yet
maybe because they haven't seen it. Somebody on Reddit made a mention
that there could be a surprise retirement from a current cup driver
before the season even begins. This came from a source on the racing
forums site from an individual who is known to work for a NASCAR team
and has leaked correct information over the years. It is believe he
works for either Furniture Row or Gibbs or possibly even for TRD since
he seems to know a lot about the inner workings of the various Toyota
teams.

This driver has told his owner "if you absolutely positively need me for
one more year I'll do it"

This driver is tired of the grind "looked in the mirror and just feels
like he's done doing this". He didn't want to give too much information.
But he has stated that this driver has won a race in the last three
years under the new Chase system and does not have a number 5 or number
8 in his car number.

JTD said it is not AJ on Reddit so we can eliminate him.

Personally I think it's going to be if it does happen Matt Kenseth.
He'll be 45 next year he had a bit of a down season compared to 2015 and
even from the consistency standpoint 2014. And I just got the feeling
that he really didn't care sometimes this year. And lastly it just so
happens he does have only one year left on his contract.

What do you guys think?


  1144.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 2:46 pm
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If its someone who has won a race the last three years, that eliminates
Kenseth, who didn't win in 2014.

Since you said this guy works with Toyota, I'm going to guess Denny
Hamlin. Yeah, I know, it would be a REALLY early retirement, but I think
if there were any driver I'd expect that kind of early retirement out of
it would be him. He's had a lot of injury problems in his career and it
could be he just doesn't want to put himself at risk anymore.


  1145.   Maverick19 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 3:19 pm
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^Im pretty sure he said won a race in the past 3 years, not won a race
every year for the past 3 years.

If my hunch is right, I think it's Kenseth.


  1146.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.01.2017 - 3:22 pm
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Sorry what I meant to say was this rumoured driver has won a race in the
last three years. Reddit and the racing forums site actually suggested
Denny Hamlin and I agreed he would be my second choice. Both Denny and
Matt are in a contract year.


  1147.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 3:29 pm
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Oh, well in that case I'll go with Kenseth too. Though Hamlin still
isn't out of the realm of possibility.


  1148.   JSPorts posted:
  01.01.2017 - 4:21 pm
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What about Carl Edwards? I think the way things ended took a big toll on
him emotionally, and is he not in a contract year?


  1149.   murb posted:
  01.01.2017 - 5:15 pm
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Kenseth is the logical guess due to his age (and I do still think Erik
Jones gets the #20 in 2018, regardless), but the way they hype it up
makes it seem like it'll be a total shock, and I'm not sure if Kenseth
would really be a TOTAL shock because, well, he's almost 50 and has been
at it for the better part of 20 years.

Hamlin makes sense too because of his injury history, but I don't know.
Seems like he really wants to win a championship and is gonna keep
trying until he fizzles out once and for all. Same with Edwards.

Kurt Busch? He used to drive for Furniture Row (a potential tie to
whoever the source is, if it's true he's a Furniture Row/JGR/TRD
person), doesn't have a 5 or an 8 in his car number currently (what an
arbitrary clue, but okay), and when you really think about it, he's done
everything there is to do in Cup except win a plate race (does it really
matter that much to him at this point?), and in reality, the way he came
back into being a legitimate driver in Cup once again has been extremely
impressive, and maybe in his mind that's a storybook ending or
something. Not to mention, he saw first hand how ugly Stewart's last
three years were, so maybe he doesn't want to go through that himself...

Eh. I don't know. Honestly I don't even really buy it. So many people on
forums (and on r/NASCAR) have been stirring shit up for a long time now,
and I can't recall any type of left field call like this ever being
correct. It's just like when people rave about The Orange Cone being
this holy source or something when he's really just doing his thing for
entertainment purposes. Not denying any inside connections these people
may have, but really, people like to rile people up.


  1150.   1995 Subaru WRX Sti posted:
  01.01.2017 - 8:30 pm
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Hamlin has come out and said he thinks the season is too long (Danica
did too). Seems like Hamlin might be burned out. he'd be my pick.
Kenseth would be next due too age.


  1151.   Seibaru posted:
  01.01.2017 - 8:39 pm
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I myself agree that the season should be shorter.

...Actually...


  1152.   28DaveyAllison28 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 8:50 pm
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It wouldn't be too long a season necessary if they cut back down to 30
races and put different tracks on the schedule instead all those
cookie-cutter tracks. Right now, I'm a fan but NASCAR is actually very
boring to watch overall. Texas, California, Charlotte, Kansas etc... I
could go on. It's the same track it seems week after week. And the two
Dover, two Loudon, two Pocono's ...cut those out!! We need variety. I
get bored just thinking about this


  1153.   Maverick19 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 8:55 pm
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Hamlin has also called out NASCAR on its gimmicks (so has Brad).

But I don't know. Combined with his injuries and exhaustion, it seems
like it could be Hamlin. But I also feel like Kenseth can't be too happy
either, and he has nothing left to prove in his Cup career. But if this
rumor is even true, I guess we'll wait and see.


  1154.   Seibaru posted:
  01.01.2017 - 8:59 pm
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inb4 NASCAR fines Hamlin and Brad for exercising freedom of speech


  1155.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.01.2017 - 9:15 pm
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I think the schedule is fine as it is, at least in terms of the amount
of races. I'd just rather we have more unique tracks and less boring
cookie cutters.


  1156.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.01.2017 - 9:29 pm
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Here is the original source post #524.

https://racing-forums.com/threads/silly-season-for-2017.55041/page-14#post-1050874

Here is the discussion on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comments/5kxabm/rumor_unexpected_retirement/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=NASCAR


  1157.   racefangurl posted:
  01.02.2017 - 12:53 am
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1143, I'm thinking Kenseth will be the next driver to retire. However,
Hamlin would be a bigger shock, since he's not 40 yet. On the other
hand, Kenseth hasn't given indications of being about the retire, so
he's still my top pick.


  1158.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  01.02.2017 - 5:32 am
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#1019 David: "numbah10hatah called, he wants his dead horse back"
He wants the Earth where the dead horse was many years ago back.

#1093 Danica10Racer "Don't worry, you aren't the only one who is
unwelcome over there. I'm not even going to try because someone would
insta-ban me"
You're probably already banned, and you haven't even been on the forums.


  1159.   Mile501 posted:
  01.02.2017 - 5:42 am
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Well, it certainly doesn't seem to be Hamlin, as Jayski posted this
morning that he is working on a contract extension.


  1160.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.02.2017 - 9:35 am
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List of drivers who fit the criteria.

Brad Keselowski
Kevin Harvick
Joey Logano
Denny Hamlin
A.J. Allmendinger
Aric Almirola
Kurt Busch
Carl Edwards
Matt Kenseth
Kyle Larson
Chris Buescher


  1161.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.02.2017 - 9:47 am
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Brad too young.
Kevin just had the best three years of his career I just can't see it.
Joey way too young.
Denny apparently he is working on a contract extension so it's probably
not him.
A.J. JTG has already squashed rumour saying it is not him.
Aric too young.
Kurt I just can't see it he's coming off two great years in his career.
Carl again I just don't see it just came off a fantastic season has to
be one of the favourites for the championship this year.
Matt The only one that seems to make sense.
Kyle and Chris both just getting started it's not gonna be them.


  1162.   dennyfan11 posted:
  01.02.2017 - 10:51 am
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I question the legitimacy of this, given it's just one guy on a racing
forum.

But IF it's true, my money's on Matt Kenseth. He's gonna be 45 next year.


  1163.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.02.2017 - 11:40 am
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Unfortunately someone put together a list of the things he's been right
about and it's some pretty significant stuff. Here is some stuff that he
was right about.

Cole Pearn has apparently been trying to recruit people to Denver. A
second FRR car looks like it might be pretty close to happening. Most
assume for Erik Jones. I heard a few specifics about the possible
sponsors, but would rather not disclose.

Childress going to buy Mears out so he can put Ty in the 13.

So here's what I got: right now Roush has funding for exactly 1.5 cars.
So, half. Biffle is likely out. If they can somehow fund Bubba, he'll be
brought up. Otherwise they'll likely lease out a charter and go to two cars.

JTG is working on a 2nd car, likely with help from Kroger. I know Kroger
was talking about potential title sponsor...not sure it'll happen (as of
right now there's nothing. Be prepared for no title sponsor next season,
or multiple ones). Biffle is a good candidate for that ride if it
happens. If it doesn't, I'd expect a Bobby Labonte type retirement for
him. Done, but sort of not done.

Also talked about some other rumors that never followed through; if the
second FRR car didn't work out (Apparently it wasn't going to) Denny
Hamlin was going to get the boot from JGR for Erik Jones (Was the
guaranteed contingency plan, something I found very interesting),
Menards was in talks with Penske (Even after Menards announced staying
with RCR for 2017 apparently they are/were still talking about NASCAR
and Penske was preparing/researching for a 3rd team), MTJ was in talks
with HMS for the #5, and some older information such as Kurt Busch had
no options so Barney was really low-balling him before he got an offer
from Gene Haas, Ryan Blaney was going to the #78 before MTJ became
available, Kurt Busch was offered a ton of money to go to RPM for 2016
and was even considering it before he re-signed with SHR.


  1164.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.02.2017 - 12:32 pm
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Possibly Cup-Movers in 2018

Cristhoper Bell
William Byron
Brandon Jones
Blake Koch


  1165.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.02.2017 - 12:32 pm
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Possible evolution to full fields

- - 2015 (43 Drivers)
2016 (40 Drivers)
2017 (36 Drivers?)
2018 (32 Drivers?)


  1166.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.02.2017 - 12:33 pm
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Updates ON Casey Mears and Regan Smith cup rides?


  1167.   Damon posted:
  01.02.2017 - 2:20 pm
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Kenseth and Hamlin are obvious choices, so I'll go off the grid with
Almirola


  1168.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.02.2017 - 2:57 pm
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1158- David? I was the one that said that...


  1169.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.02.2017 - 3:51 pm
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Updates to Casey Mears and Regan Smith rides?

Other Updates

Mears to Xfinity Again?
Regan Smith will back to half-season for Xfinity for #7 again?


  1170.   TS14Ever posted:
  01.02.2017 - 3:51 pm
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Kenseth seems like the most obvious choice.
-He's in his mid 40's, and we are in the middle of a rash of drivers
retiring at the same age.
-He didn't seem to be phased by or care at all by how his season ended.
-His contract is up after next season.
-Erik Jones at FRM feels more like a loan than anything.

Of course it will probably be somebody totally out of left field and/or
underwhelming if true.


  1171.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.06.2017 - 11:39 am
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Another Updates

Casey Mears probably will run the #33
Regan Smith can back in JR motorsports, not in #7 (Michael Annett), and
can drives a races with #5

Sadler in #88


  1172.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.06.2017 - 11:39 am
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Only 37/38 will fields for making a race, and no 40 fields to making a race.

The 38 car list to run the Daytona 500 is minor, 65% chance to a major
wreck.

Possibly the #98(Not Confirmed to run at premium) And #84/#93 (BK
Racing?) can make half-season and will possibly not run the restrictor
plates/road courses to staying the 40 field.


  1173.   Seibaru posted:
  01.06.2017 - 12:12 pm
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Why 65%?


  1174.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.06.2017 - 2:04 pm
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Correction, Sadler in #1 again.

@1173

43 Fields, 100% or 95%
40 Fields, 95%
38 Fields, 65%

A Huge wreck, to remains 15 cars and 5 laps down drivers, is a comproved.

Another 15,16 wreck


  1175.   Windows Millennium Edition posted:
  01.06.2017 - 2:04 pm
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"Another Updates

Casey Mears probably will run the #33
Regan Smith can back in JR motorsports, not in #7 (Michael Annett), and
can drives a races with #5

Sadler in #88"

Where the hell are you getting this stuff from? Just because you made it
up out of thin air doesn't mean it's going to come true.


  1176.   FrontRowMotorsportsFan posted:
  01.06.2017 - 2:49 pm
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I'm curious to see if NASCAR will do anything to "reward" the regular
season point leader.

Cup - point leader after 26 races receives 12 bonus points + wins bonus
points & pit stall selection until elimination.

NXS - point leader after 26 races receives 6 bonus points & pit stall
selection until eliminated.

NCWTS - point leader after 16 races receives 6 bonus points & pit stall
selection until eliminated.

That's what they should do.


  1177.   racefangurl posted:
  01.07.2017 - 1:25 pm
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6 weeks until the Clash.


  1178.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.07.2017 - 1:30 pm
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No 40 car field again in 2017.

Mears can will back in #33

And no more for Regan Smith? Will run again for Falk? will run at Daytona?


  1179.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  01.07.2017 - 2:16 pm
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@1176 I first round bye for the points leader in the 3 series would be a
good reward.


  1180.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  01.07.2017 - 6:27 pm
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Kevin Harvick said he wants too be on the booth more this season. He
said "one isn't enough." I think Harvick found his calling when he stops
driving. Like Jeff Gordon, I think Harvick would be pretty good.


  1181.   Sector posted:
  01.08.2017 - 3:02 am
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"43 Fields, 100% or 95%
40 Fields, 95%
38 Fields, 65%

A Huge wreck, to remains 15 cars and 5 laps down drivers, is a comproved.

Another 15,16 wreck"

This is good.... for someone who doesn't know what the hell they're
talking about.


  1182.   RaceFanX posted:
  01.09.2017 - 3:40 pm
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This ended up being the last race for the 2015-16 version of the Toyota
Camry. Toyota updated the road car for the 2018 model year and
introduced a new body style for the racing version to match in 2017.

This also was the last race for the Chevrolet SS before Chevrolet
announced, on the same day the new Toyota was unveiled, that the road
going SS would be discontinued when production of its Aussie progenitor
the Holden Commodore ends production later this year. The SS will remain
in NASCAR competition in 2017 but it will be a farewell tour for the model.


  1183.   Anonymous posted:
  01.09.2017 - 3:45 pm
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I for one will definitely miss the SS in NASCAR competition. Of the
three models competing in the Cup Series, it's the only street car with
any character performance-wise. Plus, it just looks better than the
Fusion and certainly the new Camry. Hopefully it can score its fourth
championship in five seasons of competing this season.


  1184.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.09.2017 - 4:17 pm
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Probably in 2020 will have a 30-28 fields.

NASCAR crysis is coming soon

#Backing43Field!


  1185.   28DaveyAllison28 posted:
  01.09.2017 - 4:55 pm
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What's the deal with the 43 car I keep reading hints on here about how
they are having trouble finding funding for this season? I have
researched a couple sites and can't find any information.. anybody know?


  1186.   Corey posted:
  01.10.2017 - 10:56 am
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Yeah, so uh Carl Edwards is retiring at the ripe old age of 37. Daniel
Suarez will not defend his Xfinity crown and will run the 19 next year.
Looks like it'll be a good rookie battle between him Ty Dillon and Erik
Jones.


  1187.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 11:35 am
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Can Smith (drives for Falk again) or Mears/Bobby Labonte?/And other
select drivers (#93) to closes the 40-car field in 2017 (Rumor, is not
announced).


  1188.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 11:35 am
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36 full-time teams and only 1- part-time teams?

Only 37 fields in this year and not 40? TRAGIC!


  1189.   Corey posted:
  01.10.2017 - 12:46 pm
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I'm not too worried about a full field. All the teams shutting down ran
between 25th and 40th. The competition at the front will still be
strong. It might actually improve the racing. Certainly pit road will be
a little less crowded.

As to my earlier comment @1186. Sounds like Carl is stepping away from
driving in 2017. None of the articles have said anything about actually
retiring.


  1190.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.10.2017 - 3:19 pm
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From Jayski

NASCAR Considering Significant Changes To Race Formats, Point
Distribution: The Sports Business Daily is reporting that NASCAR and
industry stakeholders are considering significant competition changes to
the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series that could be implemented as soon
as this season. Sources said that stakeholders across the industry
including teams, drivers, tracks, media partners, Monster and NASCAR
have been meeting to discuss the prospective changes which involve the
format of the races themselves and how points are awarded for them. If
implemented, the changes could address the length and format of Cup
races and may result in race breaks, similar to other series where
"heat" formats are used to break up the competition to feature multiple,
shorter races rather than one longer one. NASCAR declined comment. It
could not be determined how far along the discussions are, but timing is
of the essence as NASCAR's season starts in mid to late February. Its
season-opening media tour, when major announcements are often made, is
in two weeks in Charlotte.(The Sports Business Daily)(1-10-2017)

I certainly don't like it if it happens but at least it's better than
the freaking caution clock.

It is important to note that AMA Supercross has switched to timed events
starting this year 20 minutes plus one lap for the 450 class main event.
Maybe this is the direction Monster wants to go in to help NASCAR be
more youthful.


  1191.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 3:37 pm
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Absolutely shocking news about Edwards. I was sure it would be Hamlin or
Kenseth, or even Almirola. That certainly puts a whole new perspective
on what happened at Homestead. To think that may end up being his final
race and he was a fake debris caution away from a championship. Well,
happy retirement I guess.

So on another note, does Suarez get the #19?


  1192.   DB1995 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 4:23 pm
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Wow, Carl Edwards is done. Didn't see that coming at all, I have never
watched a race he wasn't in it will definitely be weird not seeing him
out there. NASCAR continues to circle the drain, contemplating halftime
breaks, shortening the races, all kinds of stupid shit. Not even once
have i ever left a race and heard someone say they saw to much racing.
They just need to realize they aren't gonna get the millenial generation
or whatever they call it to like auto racing in any format.


  1193.   cjs3872 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 4:45 pm
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Something smells about the sudden and shocking retirement of Carl
Edwards. There's something happening that nobody knows about quite yet.
I don't think it's sponsorship driven, because Gibbs could legally run a
fifth car for as many as seven races for Daniel Suarez for the purpose
of driver development, just as Rick Hendrick did in 2009 for Brad
Keselowski, so I don't think that's it. I have some theories about what
caused the shocking and sudden decision, but they're only theories.

1. A major health issue, something parallel to what forced Magic Johnson
to suddenly announce his retirement on the eve of the 1991-'92 NBA season.

2. A failed drug test. While I doubt this is even remotely likely, it's
well known what a physical fitness freak Edwards is, which in addition
to his past incidents of rage, has given rise to these suspicions in the
past.

3. Dislike of some of what NASCAR's been doing, and may continue to do
(such as caution clocks, segmented races, and heat races molded into the
races, as what was done in the XFinity Series in 2016).

Again these are only theories behind Edwards' stunning announcement, and
there could be something else entirely involved, but I seriously doubt
Edwards wanted to do this. I suspect this was a forced retirement, for
some reason, and I don't think it was forced on him by JGR.


  1194.   Seibaru posted:
  01.10.2017 - 4:48 pm
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@...you know what, I'm getting sick of addressing Tide.

Welp, time to blog about this.


  1195.   Seibaru posted:
  01.10.2017 - 5:19 pm
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...Never mind, I should probably wait until tomorrow when Carl gives his
reasons.


  1196.   murb posted:
  01.10.2017 - 5:21 pm
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"Gibbs could legally run a fifth car for as many as seven races for
Daniel Suarez for the purpose of driver development, just as Rick
Hendrick did in 2009 for Brad Keselowski"

Teams can't run fifth cars for rookies anymore with the new charter system.


  1197.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 5:54 pm
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No Full-Time for DS

In future the NASCAR Fields, is already to coming for Indy Fields

20-25 fields for indy.

'-'


  1198.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 5:55 pm
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Regan Smith will back to falk?

Mears or Gaudling for #33


  1199.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  01.10.2017 - 6:08 pm
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"Just before Christmas I saw something that nobody has talked about yet
maybe because they haven't seen it. Somebody on Reddit made a mention
that there could be a surprise retirement from a current cup driver
before the season even begins. This came from a source on the racing
forums site from an individual who is known to work for a NASCAR team
and has leaked correct information over the years. It is believe he
works for either Furniture Row or Gibbs or possibly even for TRD since
he seems to know a lot about the inner workings of the various Toyota
teams.

This driver has told his owner "if you absolutely positively need me for
one more year I'll do it"

This driver is tired of the grind "looked in the mirror and just feels
like he's done doing this". He didn't want to give too much information.
But he has stated that this driver has won a race in the last three
years under the new Chase system and does not have a number 5 or number
8 in his car number.

JTD said it is not AJ on Reddit so we can eliminate him.

Personally I think it's going to be if it does happen Matt Kenseth.
He'll be 45 next year he had a bit of a down season compared to 2015 and
even from the consistency standpoint 2014. And I just got the feeling
that he really didn't care sometimes this year. And lastly it just so
happens he does have only one year left on his contract.

What do you guys think?"

And it turns out to be, Carl Edwards?


  1200.   cjs3872 posted:
  01.10.2017 - 7:58 pm
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I did not realize that, murb (#1196). I thought that teams could still
run a fifth car for seven race for developmental purposes, even after
the Charter system came to be. Thanks for straightening me up about
that. But there's still something that smells about this announcement,
because watching NASCAR for as long as I've watched it (since 1989),
Carl Edwards doesn't seem to be the kind to simply quit, especially in
his prime. The timing of the announcement is also very odd. That's why I
think that, like Jeff Gordon's announced retirement in 2015, this has
all the makings of a forced retirement. I just hope it isn't for health
reasons.


  1201.   TS14Ever posted:
  01.10.2017 - 10:25 pm
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"Of course it will probably be somebody totally out of left field and/or
underwhelming if true."

And totally out of left field it is.

Holy crap!
Never would have guessed Cousin Carl would be the one to hang it up.
Something seems kind of fishy about this whole situation though.
I kind of don't buy him getting fed up with NASCAR thing, but then again
I didn't get screwed out of a very likely championship victory because
non-race fan Brian France got bored and hit the Buffalo Wild Wings
Button with about ten to go.


  1202.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.11.2017 - 2:25 pm
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The 2013 season finale is often referenced as the end of an era (at
least, as far as drivers retiring or running their last races as
full-time drivers), but lets look at some of the drivers from this race
who don't have any plans for the future.

Tony Stewart: retired
Carl Edwards: retired
Greg Biffle: ??? (*fingers crossed for #69 car*)
Casey Mears: #33 car for Falk/TMG? If not, he's likely done
Brian Scott: retired

And if those race format changes end up happening, then this truly is
the end of an era.


  1203.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.11.2017 - 3:51 pm
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@1202

Regan Smith?


  1204.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.11.2017 - 9:34 pm
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Watching the Capitals game right now (BTW congrats to Ovie on 1000
points) and they just played that same fake "Thunderstruck" song that we
always made fun of. Guess it isn't limited to just NBCSN's NASCAR coverage.


  1205.   Corey posted:
  01.12.2017 - 11:56 am
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I expect to see a few more retire in the next 5 years. Kenseth, Harvick,
Jr, Johnson and McMurray are all in their 40's. Each started between
2000-2002. Unlike what those idiots on the Yahoo comments section think,
I don't think this is a sign of NASCAR demise. (We have enough
indications for that) We are coming to a crossroads with the drivers.
From 2000 to 2006 we had a whole group of good drivers coming into the
sport that are now at 11+ years. Its inevidible that at some point we
were going to get a rash of retirements to follow.


  1206.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.13.2017 - 12:01 pm
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I just had a thought guys I would like to see what you think.

It has been mentioned about giving the regular season points leader bye
to the second round of the Chase.

I have thought of something better what if after phoenix the points
leader if he's not already locked in to the final four by either winning
or by points automatically gets the final spot to race for the championship.

That way we are insured that at least one of the final four that is
there is a driver who deserves to be there.

For 2014 instead of Ryan Newman we would have Jeff Gordon who had been
the best driver overall that year. And for 2016 we would have had Kevin
Harvick over Kyle Busch who like Jeff in 2014 was clearly the best
driver of the season.

What do you guys think. I think it's great because it opens up lots of
possibilities especially if the driver is eliminated by no fault of his
own in either the first, second or third round.


  1207.   JSPorts posted:
  01.13.2017 - 12:23 pm
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Hey guys, I've seen some talk recently about NASCAR changing the points
system. Though I'm one of the few that likes the current system, I have
created a new one that I kind of like and wanted to get your opinions on
it. First I'll post the points system, then the Chase system:
Points system:
1st: 97
2nd: 93
3rd: 89
4th: 85
5th: 81
6th: 77
7th: 73
8th: 69
9th: 65
10th: 61
11th: 58
12th: 55
13th: 52
14th: 49
15th: 46
16th: 43
17th: 40
18th: 37
19th: 34
20th: 31
21st: 29
22nd: 27
23rd: 25
24th: 23
25th: 21
26th: 19
27th: 17
28th: 15
29th: 13
30th: 11
31st: 10
32nd: 9
33rd: 8
34th: 7
35th: 6
36th: 5
37th: 4
38th: 3
39th: 2
40th: 1
A lap led would be 1 point, and leading the most laps would be an
additional 2, so the max points in a race would be 100. Now, for the
Chase seeding, it would be a little different. The top 8 drivers in
points would automatically make the Chase, and would get bonus points
for their rank. That would work like this:
1st: 4036
2nd: 4028
3rd: 4021
4th: 4015
5th: 4010
6th: 4006
7th: 4003
8th: 4001
The last 8 spots would have a base of 4000 points, and they would go to
the top 8 winners from 9th-30th in points that have attempted every race
(unless they have a waiver). Just like now, it would be first sorted by
number of wins, then by points. The drivers would also get bonus points
for winning races during the regular season. The first race win would be
1 bonus point, the 2nd race win would be 2 additional, the 3rd would be
3, and so on. For example, if a driver finished 9th in regular-season
points with 3 wins, they would start out with 4006 points (4000 + 1 + 2
+ 3). If a driver was 3rd in regular-season points with 4 wins, they
would start with 4031 points (4021 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4). This would
incentivize good finishes in the regular season, and would also
incentivize winning (even past the first win). The drivers who would
advance would be determined in essentially the same way: after round 1,
the points would be re-set as follows:
1st: 5021
2nd: 5015
3rd: 5010
4th: 5006
5th: 5003
6th: 5001
7th: 5000
8th: 5000
9th: 5000
10th: 5000
11th: 5000
12th: 5000
The top 6 would make it on points, and the bottom 6 would be on wins.
Just like in the regular season, a win would be 1 bonus point, 2 would
be an additional 2, etc. Obviously there wouldn't be 6 winners in 3
races, so then it would default to points. After round 2, they would be
reset again:
1st: 6010
2nd: 6006
3rd: 6003
4th: 6001
5th: 6000
6th: 6000
7th: 6000
8th: 6000
Same system as after round 1, with the top 4 advancing on points &
bottom 4 on wins.
After round 3:
1st: 7000
2nd: 7000
3rd: 7000
4th: 7000
No bonus points for wins or points position here, but the top 2 in
points would get in no matter how many races they won. 3rd & 4th would
be determined by wins. Just like it is now, no bonus points would be
awarded in the last race. I plan on putting 2016 into this system to see
what the results are in a few days. Let me know what you think of it in
the meantime.


  1208.   Mile501 posted:
  01.13.2017 - 1:21 pm
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"I have thought of something better what if after phoenix the points
leader if he's not already locked in to the final four by either winning
or by points automatically gets the final spot to race for the
championship."

It sounds good in one way, but not in another. Does the best driver all
season long deserve to be racing for the championship at Homestead?
Absolutely. But NASCAR has created a system where it would be difficult
to guarantee that. By guaranteeing the point leader a spot in the final
four, you're essentially giving them a 9-race period in which nothing
matters, which would compound the problem we already have where a driver
wins a race then can pretty much coast until race #27.

I think a better solution would be to give bonus points in each round to
the regular season "champion". And something substantial--not 3 points,
the insignificant number they currently give for wins in round one, but
maybe 20 or 25. That would be a big reward because it could help to
offset a bad race, but still wouldn't let them just ride around.


  1209.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.13.2017 - 1:42 pm
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Actually Mile you wouldn't be able to relax for nine races because you
would still have to accumulate points to stay head of second and third
and so on in points. The points leader would still have to be consistent
over those nine races just to maintain that overall lead.

Basically what I'm saying is whoever accumulates the most points after
35/36 races if they are not already locked into the final four by a win
at Martinsville, Texas, or Phoneix or by accumulating enough points over
those three races get into the final four automatically.


  1210.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.13.2017 - 2:14 pm
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Was only 37 race field.

38 #7
39 #62
40 #93?


  1211.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.13.2017 - 2:14 pm
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41 #69?


  1212.   Mile501 posted:
  01.13.2017 - 3:09 pm
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Oh, I get what you're saying. I thought you meant the point leader after
26 races would automatically get into the final four. I like your idea
now that I understand it. That would definitely give drivers something
additional to race for.


  1213.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.13.2017 - 4:02 pm
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Damn, even Tide is getting in on the #69 car.


  1214.   cjs3872 posted:
  01.13.2017 - 8:25 pm
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I think a good idea for a point system is to use the current one
point-per position from last place through 11th place, and then put more
weight into the top finishing positions. For example, if you're going to
set the points structure on 40-car fields, make it one 1 point for last
place, graduate it up a point per position through 11th place, which
would be worth 30 points. From there, make it two points per position
through sixth place (i.e. 10th would be 32 points, 9th 34, 8th 36, 7th
38, and 6th would be 40). After that, make it three points per position
through second place, which would result in 5th getting 43 points, 4th
place would get 46, third 49, and 2nd place would net 52 points. After
that, have the winner get five more points, which would give the winner
57 points for winning, an automatic bonus point for leading, and then
add a 2-point bonus for leading the most laps and 1 point for leading
the 2nd-most laps, for a maximum potential of 60 points in a given race.

Then when the Chase cutoff is reached (how many races into the season
that might be is a mystery, considering the possibility of 24 full races
and 12 races split by heats, would would mean another 24 races, or 48
total), reduce the number of drivers in the Chase back to 12, use only
points standings to make a driver earn his way into the Chase by running
ALL the races, and then seed the top 10 drivers by position with extra
points for every win accumulated during the "regular season". As for how
that would work, give everyone that makes the Chase a base of 2000, then
first add the seeding points (3 per position) for the top ten, after
which the wins bonuses are added in. The 11th and 12th drivers get no
bonuses. After that, run the rest of the season as normal, and then
whoever's on top at the end of the season wins the title.

However, I don't like the idea of having 24 full races and 12 more with
split heats and a feature, which would result in an official 48-race
season, not to mention double points for five races, the Daytona 500,
Coca-Cola 600, Brickyard 400, Southern 500, and the season-ending Ford
400 at Homestead. This seems to have been leaked out on Twitter, so this
may be what comes to pass for how points will be distributed and how the
races will be run in 2017. This plan, if it comes to fruition, will also
make an utter mess of NASCAR's record books, as we know it, and make it
entirely possible for drivers to win 15 or 20 races in a season, and
will effectively undo what was done in 1972, when the schedule was cut
to 31 races and all races under 250 miles in length erased from the
schedule. It also begs the question of whether the Daytona qualifying
races will again be official championship races, as they were from
1959-'71.


  1215.   Not Sure posted:
  01.13.2017 - 9:42 pm
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@1214 - http://imgur.com/gallery/48XVq6g

Not sold on twin races or double points but I'm willing to give it a
chance if it means the Chase is history.


  1216.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  01.13.2017 - 10:44 pm
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As much as I dislike points systems, CJS one I could buy into but I do
much more separation with finishing position. JSports is another one I
could buy into. Again with more separation.

I'd buy heat races if they do it this way: 40 car field, cut it in half.
20 do a "B-main 1" and the other 20 do a "B-main 2" Each B-main would be
25% actually race distance. top 10 finishers from each main would too
the "A-main" where the rest of the advertised distance would be run. All
top 20 "A-main" drivers would receive points. Fans would get too see 3
races a night and get their moneys worth. CJS or JSports points system
could used here. Yeah it would be dirt track like but it is simple and
kinda makes sense.

"http://imgur.com/gallery/48XVq6g"

I'd be okay with the Daytona 500, Southern 500, Brickyard 400 and the
Coke 600 being double points. But not the season finale. Indycar has it
and it doesn't work. I'll await NASCARs (and everyone else who came up
with it) explanation of how "48 races" will work. Seems too me that
NASCAR, drivers, team owners, Monster and anyone else who is involved in
this are over thinking it like usual.


  1217.   cjs3872 posted:
  01.14.2017 - 12:01 am
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@1216, it's certainly not confirmed that this, or any other change to
the points and schedule format will take place, but if they do go with
something like this, not only could they ruin the championship race by
making certain races more important to the championship that others, but
they could also make the record books not as important by diluting the
records, especially those compiled since the schedule was cut down in
1972. If they run 48-50 races that count for points and official
statistics, the most unthinkable scenario could possibly take place.
Richard Petty's 200 career wins could actually be threatened because
drivers will be able to win up to 15-20 races in a season, especially
since about one quarter of them will not have ALL the top drivers in the
field, since they would be heat races. So I sincerely hope this doesn't
come to pass

Another thing I liked about the way NASCAR has awarded points since 1975
is that, as far as the championship is concerned, every race from Sonoma
to the Daytona 500 has equal value. Drivers get the same amount of
points for each race, no matter the importance of the event, which meant
that to win the championship prior to the Chase's round-by-round
knockout format was implemented, a driver had to be good on every type
of track. One main reason I consider Jeff Gordon to be a greater driver
than Dale Earnhardt and even Jimmie Johnson is that he could win on any
type of track the series ran on. Earnhardt was suspect on non-restrictor
plate superspeedways and Johnson has always been suspect on the road
courses. Gordon's superiority on ALL types of tracks separates him from
the 7-time champions he raced against. And that versatility is what
separated Bobby Allison from Yarborough, Waltrip, and Pearson. To truly
be the best, a driver should be required to excel on ALL types of
tracks, and a points system that awards equal points for each race, no
matter how important the individual event is, would figure to separate
the best from the rest.

As for my point system, the reason I like having some separation between
the top finishers and the rest of the field, but not a too much
separation is the fact that, having a BIG separation promotes cheating,
and I'm not a fan of anything that promotes cheating. If NASCAR
continues with the 1 point-per position system, I think it would be fine
as is below 10th place, but once in the top ten, I think the individual
positions should mean a bit more, which is why I like having a 2-point
split between positions 6-10, a 3-point split between positions 2-5, and
a 5-point difference between the winner and second place. Taking lap
leader bonus points out of the equation, my system with 40 positions
accounted for creates a 27-point spread between first (57 points) and
11th (30 points) and a 29-point spread between 11th (30) and last place
(40th, 1 point). There's a reason why Bob Latford's system, established
in 1975, awarded bigger spreads for positions inside the top 10 than
positions from 11th through the balance of the field. The biggest
problem that system had was not enough separation for the top runners
compared to the separation for those outside the top ten (5 from
1st-6th, 4 from 7th-11th, and 3 for each position below 11th). But the
fact that it lasted 36 years (1975-2010) should say something.


  1218.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  01.15.2017 - 5:54 pm
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My points system. I would get rid of the chase.

1st 66
2nd 61
3rd 57
4th 54
5th 52
6th 50
7th 48
8th 46
9th 44
10th 42
11th 40
12th 38
13th 36
14th 34
15th 32
16th 30
17th 28
18th 26
19th 24
20th 22
21st 20
22nd 19
23rd 18
24th 17
25th 16
26th 15
27th 14
28th 13
29th 12
30th 11
31st 10
32nd 9
33rd 8
34th 7
35th 6
36th 5
37th 4
38th 3
39th 2
40th 1

+1 point for winning, +1 points for leading a lap and +2 points for
leading the most laps, for a maximum total of 70.


  1219.   Blue Palaski posted:
  01.16.2017 - 5:12 pm
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Starting this season teams will have to start the race on the tires they
qualified with. I actually like this move, it will add the dynamic of
"should I sacrifice my tires for a better starting position" and vise
versa to qualifying. Nascar still has a poor batting average on rule
changes though


  1220.   cjs3872 posted:
  01.16.2017 - 5:38 pm
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Especially the rules changes for 2017, @1219. I don't like the idea of
racing, or trying to race with a 2.35" high rear spoiler, something that
has been announced for the 2017 season. They can't race side-by-side
with a spoiler twice that high, so what makes NASCAR think they can
adequately race side-by-side with a 2.35" spoiler? All that's going to
do is cause more wrecks and more caution periods because the inside car
is going to spin out and take himself, and quite possibly, the guy he's
alongside of, right out of the race. Not to mention that a spoiler of
that height is going to create LIFT, which means that the rear wheels
are off the ground, especially when a car closes up behind a car, which
means that there figure to be a lot of wrecks caused by one driver
simply driving up behind another without ever making any contact.

As for the drivers having to start the race on the tires they qualify
with. For those that regularly qualify up front, that's no change at
all, since the top ten qualifiers have always had to start the race on
the tires they qualify with, so this rule change actually figures to
help those that qualify up front, because any car that qualifies outside
the top 10 has always been able to start the race on a different set of
tires, which on some tracks, gave the cars that started in rows 6, 7,
and 8 (positions 11-16) an advantage over the top ten qualifiers at the
start of the race. But what that change might do is result in drivers
not even making a qualifying attempt past the first round because of the
extra heat cycle(s) it might put on a set of tires. But I've never been
a fan of limiting the number of tires a team is allowed to have in the
Cup Series, because of how that could affect the outcome of a race in
races where there are lots of caution flags, and thus more pit stops
than usual.


  1221.   23andJoe posted:
  01.17.2017 - 7:22 am
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>But what that change might do is result in drivers not even making a
qualifying attempt past the first round because of the extra heat
cycle(s) it might put on a set of tires.

Exhibit A, any number of Formula One qualifying sessions a few years ago.


  1222.   Markjeff531 posted:
  01.17.2017 - 12:04 pm
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Just noticed that four drivers made their final start in NASCAR in this
race. (Assuming Edwards doesn't come back and Biffle does indeed
retire). When was the last time something like this happen?


  1223.   JSPorts posted:
  01.17.2017 - 12:14 pm
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I don't know that it ever has. But the Hall of Fame class in 5 years
will be one for the record books, with Gordon, Stewart & Edwards. Maybe
Biffle, but I doubt it.


  1224.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.17.2017 - 12:22 pm
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Will not have a 40 car field in 2017 season, 38 drivers (Case Graudling
confirms in #30)

Biffle is #69 and #93 Regan Smith (BK Racing) is not uncertain


  1225.   Corey posted:
  01.17.2017 - 2:57 pm
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@1224
Let's wait to see what happens first before declaring that. With two
spots open, it would not surprise me to see a couple of backmarkers show
up to collect money.


  1226.   23andJoe posted:
  01.19.2017 - 4:10 am
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And this just in: the preliminary exhibition formerly known as the (ew)
Sprint Unlimited, is now the Advance Auto Parts Clash.


  1227.   racefangurl posted:
  01.19.2017 - 12:25 pm
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1226, it's now less than a month away, but who's counting? It seems
everybody's too busy counting down to the 500.


  1228.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  01.19.2017 - 8:33 pm
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NASCAR is hosting a road course test at Charlotte. Yes CMS has road
course. MIS has one too (I think). People want more road courses. Lets
not be picky. More the better, regardless of where they are.


  1229.   Seibaru posted:
  01.19.2017 - 9:39 pm
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Oh christ I'd sooner watch every Coke 600 in a row than a NASCAR race at
the Charlotte road course.


  1230.   Sean posted:
  01.19.2017 - 9:54 pm
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Agreed. As I said on the forum, they should be looking at racing on the
dirt track instead of the superspeedway or the road course, at least for
the all-star race.


  1231.   Seibaru posted:
  01.19.2017 - 10:06 pm
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I want more roadies, but Charlotte's road course has two right hand
bends. It's pathetic.


  1232.   Anonymous posted:
  01.20.2017 - 7:27 am
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"Fans": We want more road courses!!!

*news leaks of possible road course addition*

"Fans": No no no we don't want THAT road course.

This is why we can't have nice things. I for one think it's exciting, at
least it's something different instead of the same 38 race schedule year
after year after year. Maybe it will be a bust, but it's at least worth
giving it a chance.


  1233.   RaceFanX posted:
  01.20.2017 - 8:44 am
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I think a roval race would be really cool (I don't know if Cup has ever
done one, the West series did it at Fontana once). Charlotte would be a
neat opportunity to do something different for the all-star race or the
chase.


  1234.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.20.2017 - 9:08 am
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Talladega Infield?


  1235.   Seibaru posted:
  01.20.2017 - 11:23 am
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I'm going to do a blog about this, actually.

@1234 Talladega Infield is closed.


  1236.   that e-guy posted:
  01.20.2017 - 1:22 pm
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The Charlotte road course sounds like something out of a EA NASCAR game.


  1237.   23andJoe posted:
  01.20.2017 - 6:49 pm
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The Charlotte road course has been used for a high-level racing event
before: in 2000, Trans-Am ran an event there, won by Brian Simo.


  1238.   23andJoe posted:
  01.20.2017 - 6:49 pm
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The results to that event:
http://www.thethirdturn.com/wiki/2000_Grand_Prix_of_Charlotte_%28Trans-Am%29


  1239.   Seibaru posted:
  01.20.2017 - 7:25 pm
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@1238 PWC ran there in 2000 and 2007. The 2007 race was on the oval plus
one chicane, as the road course was being repaved. ALMS stopped by the
roval in 2000 as well.

I've actually got an article on weird schedule choices coming.

Thanks to whoever told me that in the comments to one of my articles. I
don't remember your name because I'm dumb. XD


  1240.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  01.20.2017 - 7:27 pm
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"I want more roadies, but Charlotte's road course has two right hand
bends. It's pathetic."

It actually has 5 and it is been recently reconfigured.

Post 1232 uh-huh. that is why we do not have nice things.


  1241.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.20.2017 - 7:42 pm
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A Rare ALMS Race Boardcasting for Allen Bestwick on NBC.


  1242.   Seibaru posted:
  01.20.2017 - 8:12 pm
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@1241 You know, you've helped me find my purpose in life. I shall
dedicate the rest of my life...to finding the man who gave you a
computer, and feeding him into a sausage maker.

Okay, five. Four of which are consecutive, and not in an interesting
way. You want an example of a good infield road course, since I've been
complaining about Charlotte's so much? Well, there are a few, such as
Las Vegas, Indianapolis, and Fontana, but a QUADOVAL with a decent
infield road course is Atlanta.


  1243.   Maverick19 posted:
  01.20.2017 - 11:31 pm
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Although I would've preferred a new road course venue, it'd be
interesting to see how the infield road course at Charlotte would work.
Wonder what race they would use it at.


  1244.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.21.2017 - 7:02 am
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What a driver can fun the #25 for Hendrick next time (part-time)?

Ross Chastain (favorite)?
Cole Custer?
Alex Bowman?
Or Regan Smith?

2017-2018 is a most prossibly backs to Cup.


  1245.   I Lost My Name posted:
  01.21.2017 - 7:27 am
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Tide, many things wrong with this particular statement.


  1246.   Anonymous posted:
  01.21.2017 - 8:12 am
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@1244: NO driver can drive the #25, because Hendrick is already at the
limit of four cars.


  1247.   Dodge posted:
  01.21.2017 - 10:33 am
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I've been quiet but I got to say now that with every post Tide does, I
feel like by reading them, all of our IQ's are going to be low. The
stuff they post never makes sense but I guess they enjoy getting
everyone to debate. Some of the things he comes up with are head
scratchers.


  1248.   JSPorts posted:
  01.21.2017 - 12:20 pm
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I like the idea of a road race at Charlotte. I wish we could see an
equal number of plate tracks, superspeedways, speedways, short tracks,
road courses & dirt tracks on the Cup schedule. Imagine if we had 6
apiece instead of always the same type of track. It would make for a
more diverse field of drivers and more interesting races.


  1249.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.22.2017 - 11:56 am
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So tomorrow we're gonna know the changes to NASCAR. It's believe that
the races most of them will be divided into segments and drivers would
get points depending on the running order at the end of each segment.
You also have major races like the Daytona 500 which will not be
changed. That's just what I'm hearing.


  1250.   Cornys posted:
  01.22.2017 - 7:32 pm
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They will only send the Cup cars to a road course that is owned by one
of the current track owners. For that reason you guys might get to see a
road race at Charlotte.


  1251.   BMan0213 posted:
  01.22.2017 - 8:18 pm
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Something tells me if they decide to use the road course at Charlotte
it's only gonna be for the all star race. At least for this year. Maybe
if it produces good racing they'll use it in 2018 for a points race though.


  1252.   18fan posted:
  01.22.2017 - 8:32 pm
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I would much rather see a road race at Daytona than Charlotte.


  1253.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.22.2017 - 9:31 pm
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^If we're limiting it to tracks with infield road courses, I'd rather
see one at Indy to replace the Snoreyard 400, but that'll never happen.


  1254.   racefangurl posted:
  01.22.2017 - 10:48 pm
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I've always thought NASCAR hated road races, since I knew and cared
enough to have such thoughts. Like maybe they think the NASCAR cars are
more suited to ovals, like Bristol, Phoenix, Alanta, Fontana, Daytona
and Talladega. Ovals for bulky stock cars and road races for smaller
open wheel cars. I just like good racing, myself.


  1255.   Ferret posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:56 am
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So now motorsport.com and Autosport.com are both reporting NASCAR is
going to break the races up into 3 segments for scoring purposes,, and
give the drivers bonus points.

...I have no words for how annoyed I am at NASCAR for this boneheaded
idea. Oh, and they are coordinating with the TV networks to ensure this
there will be 'minimal on track activity such as pitstops at the end of
the segments'

Source? Autosport.com AND motorsport.com

NASCAR....just....ugh.....just.....I have no words for how completely
stupid this idea is.

Oh and the rest of the announcemt is later today apparently. So...yeah,
I'm expecting them to totally and utterly f**k over the traditional fans
once again.

Here's the best bit.

The Chase is not changing format, according to sources both sites
have.....Seriously. I'm gonna just go watch IMSA all year. That's better
than this news.

Seriously NASCAR. What the hell....why are they diluting it down to
three mini races. I guess the heat races idea was so well
liked....gah....just....ugh. Freaking idiots in Daytona Beach running
the sport into the ground.

The only saving grace I than think of is they better not screw up the
Daytona 500, Coke 600, Southern 500 or the roadies...but....they will
find a way. This is as bad as the whole idea to give the Trucks/Busch a
Chase. No, scratch tahat. It's worse.

This initial announcement is completely and utterly screwing over the
traditional fanbase in favor of millenials who honestly don't care about
auto racing.

As for can NASCAR ever get back the traditional fans? Nah. They
can'don't want to try as the traditional hardcore fans are older and
they want the younger YEAHHHH MONSTER ENERGY crowd type.
Ugh.....seriously....I'd rather have a cigarette sponsor again over the
crap Monster is pulling. Next thing you know they'll have the caution
clock. Watch, I said it, watch for tonight's announcement, Caution
clock'll probably be in Cup with the 600 shorted into 3 sprints.

Makes me think Eddie Gossage was right about not shotening the
races....and I rarely if eve r agree with him...


  1256.   Seibirthday (Seibaru) posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:56 am
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@1254 Stock cars can easily put on a good show on road courses.

Exhibit A: The Danish Thundersport Championship, a stock car series that
actually does standing starts and runs two street circuits during the year.

Honestly, though, I think NASCAR is just really, really reluctant to run
a new track unless they're one hundred percent sure it will draw a full
crowd (that's why they're cutting the seat count at tracks, so that it's
technically 'filled to capacity'). People keep coming back to the races
they have already on the schedule, so they keep coming back to them, and
for the tracks that spectators DON'T show up to, the profits NASCAR
reaps are just too great to even think about leaving. In Europe, there's
the appeal of seeing stock cars on Grand Prix circuits such as
Hockenheim and Zolder that keeps crowds coming back, plus the fact that
drivers don't have too much time to make their move, as NASCAR Euro
races are timed to thirty minutes. However, if NASCAR REALLY hated road
courses, this would probably have been their NASCAR Euro schedule:

1. Lausitz
2. Brands Hatch Indy
3. Tours
4. Venray
5. Warneton (half mile banked American-style oval in Belgium)
6. Rockingham

...The thing is, that's not the schedule in 2017. This is...:

1. Valencia
2. Brands Hatch Indy
3. Hockenheim
4. Venray
5. Franciacorta (road course in Italy)
6. Zolder

...And NASCAR Euro has never once run Rockingham nor Lausitz...nor
Warneton for some reason. With Tours off the schedule in 2017, they will
only be oval racing once, at Venray, a half mile American-style banked
short track in the Netherlands. NASCAR Canada has five road races out of
its 13 rounds, including 2 street races. That's because it either brings
in the fans or brings in the profit, usually both, with some cases of
one-or-the-other in which the amount of the one they get is so great
that it would be, in their eyes, ridiculous to leave. This is why Indy
is on the schedule. Sure, attendance sucks, but they make a ton of money
for running there from all the promoters and sponsors and that fun
stuff. The promoters probably would be reluctant to have a road race out
of fear that attendance would drop even further (which it probably
would, though it would almost certainly start increasing after a year or
two, leading to a loss early on, but profit further down the road so to
speak).


  1257.   Niles Y93 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:56 am
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@1253

More than likely if that is the case, it would have to use Turn 1 of the
oval because I highly doubt the cars could handle the esses going into
the final turn on the current road course configuration.


  1258.   Blue Palaski posted:
  01.23.2017 - 12:24 pm
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I don't think I will watch NASCAR this year, it's no fun watching a
sport in it's death throes. If they thought last year's attendance was
dismal they ain't seen nothing yet.


  1259.   JSPorts posted:
  01.23.2017 - 12:26 pm
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I will probably watch the plate races, short tracks, road courses,
"majors" & Chase races. Then I'll probably also go to at least 1 race at
TMS. But I normally watch every race, so that's saying a lot.


  1260.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 2:46 pm
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#20 Erik Jones
#14 Cristhoper Bell
#1 Brennan Poole
#28 (After trades the #19) Daniel Suaréz
#16 Cris Buescher
#5 William Byron
#24 Chase Elliott
#88 Alex Bowman
#31 Ty Dillon
#3 Austin Dillon
#21 Ryan Blaney
#10 Cole Custer
#33 (After trades the #13) Brandon Jones

Its a Future of next-generation NASCAR Drivers?


  1261.   Seibaru posted:
  01.23.2017 - 3:59 pm
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@1260 If only NASCAR had a future...


  1262.   Major. Chase. Implications. posted:
  01.23.2017 - 4:39 pm
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With this momentous rules change NASCAR is one step closer to cautionary
tale status.

From another forum:
"
Listening to NASCAR Radio this morning. Mike Bagley to the longtime fan:
"It's not your time anymore."
"This will force them to race harder."--Pete Pistone....who has never
driven a race car.
"This will end the boredom."--Dave Moody
"

Take your money and go away old longtime fan. We are going after those
hip millennials. They have little interest in NASCAR but they make up
for it by having little money. Most aren't even gainfully employed! Can
you say jackpot? Scoff all you want but once they see the stunning girls
Monster Energy brings to the sport those millennials will turn off their
internet porn but quick and race to the track to slobber at their feet
while they make a sales pitch for a lousy energy drink. Who cares if
they enjoy or even watch the race - I sure as hell don't - for all they
know it's a four-hour long traffic jam surrounding the girls. A
never-ending American roundabout is how I describe it to my British rich
kid friends. It's a gold mine I tell you. - Brian France


  1263.   Eric posted:
  01.23.2017 - 5:24 pm
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I think having 3 Segments is very stupid for points events the cup
series. I am saying this a person who started to watch NASCAR in 1993
and Indycar back in the 1980's. Here is my reasons for calling it stupid.

1.) NASCAR actually is ruining the reason on why there should be an all
star race. The All Star for the cup series is supposed to be something
that you can't see for rest of the season in terms of segments.

2.) Segments taking away a major aspect of racing away. What I am
referring to is fuel mileage. Fuel mileage is something that actually
can bring excitement for a ending to a race although is known that Brian
isn't a big fan of "fuel Mileage".

3.) This change isn't going to fix the problems NASCAR has. The CEO of
NASCAR and the people he surrounds himself with is the problem. The
Management of NASCAR has made choices that caused them to lose viewers.


  1264.   484evs posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:16 pm
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Going to take a while before I fully understand these points lol


  1265.   Major. Chase. Implications. posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:20 pm
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1263: Brian hates fuel mileage races since that is natural drama, not
his preferred manufactured drama.


  1266.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:22 pm
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Understand the whole stages and the points and some of the playoff
points. However what happens if it rains. I hope someone in the media
asks that.


  1267.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:23 pm
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Okay... WTF else happened. I turned it off the moment Steve O'Dumbass
said that this was in the best interest of the fans.


  1268.   joey2448 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:34 pm
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I'm starting to come around on this change. Still don't like the
segments ending with a yellow flag (I think they should keep it under
green), but all 36 races mean a little more now, more than they did the
past three years. I'm willing to give it a chance come Speedweeks.


  1269.   BMan0213 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:39 pm
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Coming from someone who's always disliked the Chase.... I actually don't
hate this. I kind of agree with Denny that this really makes all the
races matter again especially with the bonus points carrying over round
to round. I mean this really eliminates someone having a season like
Newman did in 2014 from making the final 4. It also prevents a situation
like what happen to William Byron last year in the Truck Series. Pretty
much everyone thought it was a joke that he didn't get a shot to race
for the tile last year at Homestead, but now under this format it's more
than likely he would have.


  1270.   Lucstar88 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:41 pm
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I'll reserve judgement until the 500.

Fuel mileage races could still happen, just need a good caution, at a
great time.


  1271.   Anonymous posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:43 pm
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I feel bad for the small teams. This system hurts them.


  1272.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 6:44 pm
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Yeah actually the more I think about it this may not end up being so bad
after all.

The race segments thing is really dumb, but besides that, lets look at
the positives: no more caution clock, regular season matters more, and I
think I kind of like the idea of points for the Duels. And if the race
segments means less Jacques Debris cautions, then even that could end up
being not so bad.

We'll see how it works.


  1273.   42KylePetty42 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:00 pm
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How long til they throw the ball out there on the track, let them bounce
it off each other's car to earn points?


  1274.   Slvrfx72 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:09 pm
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Looks like 2016 will have been the 37th and final season of watching
NASCAR. My interest has been declining since 2004, but I still watched
12-15 races a year even if I didn't care who won the title. But these
changes have taken any remaining interest I had.


  1275.   TS14Ever posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:18 pm
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The more I've had time to let this sink in and digest, the more I
actually like it.
Like I said in the forum, this should make it easier for the best
drivers of the season to make it to the final four while making it
harder for underwhelming drivers to get in.
And we should see a different complexion to the racing if drivers have
incentive to race all race long.
Right now it seems drivers/teams just ride around and go through the
motions until "go time" but when that time arrives the field is too
strung out or drivers/teams didn't keep up on adjustments enough to matter.


  1276.   Major. Chase. Implications. posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:18 pm
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I think NASCAR 98 style paintballs would spice things up. One playoff
point for each direct hit leading to a spin out. Someone get this to
Brian ASAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jtJThPaMA


  1277.   DB1995 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:23 pm
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Cancelled my Bristol season tickets. Screw this shit.


  1278.   Mile501 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:31 pm
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I do think this is a slight improvement over the last few seasons. But
let's keep that in perspective:

Here is how I would rate each format:
Up through 2003: 9/10
2004-2013: 3/10
2014-2016: 1/10
New format: 2/10

If we're stuck with this awful chase format, I do like how the things
that happen during the regular season will now matter a little bit more
throughout the chase.


  1279.   28DaveyAllison28 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:42 pm
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Now this will give Kyle Busch just another reason to run more truck,
nationwide races on triple header weekends.. he'll not only wanna be the
first to win a 3 races in a weekend but rather, be the first to sweep
all three stages of all three races in one weekend. I can't take anymore


  1280.   JG24FanForever posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:50 pm
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The news of the "exciting changes" has caused me to nearly completely
walk away from NASCAR. I had to watch my home race, the Southern 500, be
removed from the Labor Day date for a dozen years, thank god it's right
back where it belongs, despite the legendary idiocy of Brainless France.
I watched as the sports legitimacy crumbled with the devaluing of the
championship and the advent of debri cautions, that have tainted so many
events over the course of the Braindead France era. Or is it an epoch?
Brian France has made ruining NASCAR so momentous, that it seems to be
his true calling in life, and in that, he is truly epic.

I will attend the Southern 500, because I love Darlington and it's a
yearly tradition, but I couldn't care less for the new setup, and will
not be watching, willingly, at least.


  1281.   Daniel posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:50 pm
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Didn't watch a single race last year, and it doesn't look like I'm
coming back any time soon. Brian France has done nothing but take his
dad and granddad's legacy and flush it down the toilet. This is an
absolute joke.


  1282.   Danica10Racer posted:
  01.23.2017 - 7:58 pm
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These changes are a joke. I realize that NASCAR isn't endurance racing
anymore but this is pathetic. I know that I will stop watching NASCAR
when Danica leaves so I know they really don't care about me but still
these changes are horrible. When it does happen I will likely watch F1,
WEC, WSCC and Indycar only.

I am trying to embrace these changes and would like to see Danica get a
few top 10's early in the year for these segments. That would be a nice
build of momentum into running higher in the order and then hopefully
winning a race at some point.


  1283.   Major. Playoff. Implications. posted:
  01.23.2017 - 8:01 pm
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Name updated to reflect the term the NBC announcers will say every five
seconds going forward.

Dear Brian, this isn't what we meant when we asked for you to get rid of
the Chase.


  1284.   JG24FanForever posted:
  01.23.2017 - 8:10 pm
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I haven't made one of these in a long time, so for nostalgia, here is my:

Top 20 greatest Cup drivers

1. David Pearson
2. Dale Earnhardt
3 . Richard Petty
4. Jeff Gordon
5. Bobby Allison
6. Jimmie Johnson
7. Cale Yarborough
8. Darrell Waltrip
9. Tony Stewart
10. Tim Flock
11. Herb Thomas
12. Mark Martin
13. Junior Johnson
14. Curtis Turner
15. Ned Jarrett
16. Lee Petty
17. Buck Baker
18. Rusty Wallace
19. Bill Elliott
20. Joe weatherly


  1285.   JSPorts posted:
  01.23.2017 - 8:12 pm
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Ok, so I actually like this Chase format more than the old Chase format.
I like the race format less. I still think we should just get rid of the
Chase and have normal races with points awarded at the end. The key to
make races more exciting (naturally, not with manufactured drama) is to
shorten the distances. Think about the most exciting races on the
schedule (besides plate tracks): Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Martinsville,
Bristol, Richmond, Phoenix, Loudon. The shortest races. Not a fan of
this at all, but at least the championship system is a little better.
I'm on the fence about Duels counting for points, but I guess that's ok.

Two questions: have they announced if they're running the Charlotte road
course? And will the Trucks still only have 32 trucks per race, or is it
36 or 40 now?


  1286.   Maverick19 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 8:31 pm
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Saying that this format is superior is like saying that the 2-14 2009
Detroit Lions are a superior team to the 0-16 2008 Detroit Lions.


  1287.   Guy posted:
  01.23.2017 - 8:42 pm
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It's actually incredible how bad of a Chairman Brian France is

Just a tremendous effort of awful


  1288.   Anonymous posted:
  01.23.2017 - 8:54 pm
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Much improved, excited to see how the new format plays out. My biggest
fear when the rumors of segments were floating was that race wins could
become cheapened by having the segment winners get credit for race wins,
and fortunately they decided to not go in that direction.


  1289.   Sean posted:
  01.23.2017 - 9:06 pm
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Well, at least this format helps drivers who run well throughout the
race and have fast pace even if they don't get the results. Like it was
ridiculous seeing Brian Vickers in the chase in 2009 and Kyle Busch not.
That kind of thing. However, the way to fix that is not to use a
slightly adjusted variant of the 40-1 points system implying your fans
are too dumb to understand a more complicated points system, not to
split races into 'stages'. NASCAR continues its boring and annoying
consistency fetish even with the stage points, with each stage awarding
10 points down to 1 in each stage as well, so even within the stages,
the top competitors don't get THAT much of a bonus for being 1st,
instead of say, 5th. This looks like it's trying to crib from the North
American Endurance Championship, but sheesh, even IMSA, which has also
more a consistency-driven points system than they would like has bigger
gaps between 2nd and 3rd than between like 9th and 10th, and the NAEC
has even bigger gaps between positions than that. And inevitably a few
winners this year won't score the most points (Chris Buescher certainly
wouldn't have.) However, I don't have a problem with them measuring
pace, but I don't think this is the way to do it.

In the NAEC, which this seems to be copying, they don't automatically
throw a yellow flag at the end of each quarter of the race. NASCAR
should copy that. I mean, the same family runs both series. I'm not sure
how Jim manages to be somewhat credible and Brian is not. One would
think the entire family would have one current managerial strategy at
this point in time.

I GUESS I like that the points leader is getting a bit of a bonus and
that drivers get more of an advantage for their regular season efforts
than in any previous chase.

I DESPISE renaming the Chase playoffs, similarly to how I felt when they
renamed GWC overtime. Yes, it makes it easier to understand for fans of
stick and ball sports, but it also makes it the butt of jokes.

However, honestly, if you believe in playoffs for racing (which I
obviously don't) they need to involve elimination. 2014-2016 was by all
means a stupid, stupid format but it was a playoff. This, like the
previous chase, is not, so now renaming it playoffs makes it a bizarro
oxymoron and hurts NASCAR's credibility even more.

Further, changing the points system every three or four years now is the
real problem. It's hard to care about what does happen when anything can
happen.

If you want a playoff, I guess last year's format is the only way to do
it, which is why I honestly liked it slightly better than the previous
chases (although much less than a full-season championship.) If you want
to reward pace, just dump points systems entirely and determine the
prize fund by average running position or NASCAR driver ratings.
Seriously, I think that will reflect who the best driver/team was more
than most of the formats they have been using.

It's nice to see the single point for leading a single lap ditched,
although I'd still like to see points for most laps led and pole.

And if they are going to actually award playoff points for the Duel
races, I think they now need to count as official race wins like they
did prior to the modern era.


  1290.   Sean posted:
  01.23.2017 - 9:07 pm
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This doesn't change my decision not to watch next year's Cup season.
Rather it reinforces it. However, it certainly could have been worse...


  1291.   Major. Playoff. Implications. posted:
  01.23.2017 - 9:34 pm
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@1287: He makes Gary Bettman seem saintly. Bettman lost an entire season
due to a lockout, but at least he said no when Fox wanted to change a
hockey game to two halves instead of three periods. Whereas it seems
France signs off on any harebrained idea that crosses his mind or desk.
Nothing about the sport is sacred. What will he change next?


  1292.   JSPorts posted:
  01.23.2017 - 9:36 pm
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I actually don't mind Gary Bettman that much, though I know a lot of
people don't like him. I agree; nothing is untouchable. I don't like the
direction things are going, but I am willing to give this a chance. It
may be more exciting at a glance, but certainly won't have the
storylines and true drama the sport needs.


  1293.   Lucstar88 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 9:52 pm
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I don't believe this was a 100% france idea, cause Monster was heavily
pushing them, along with the driver's council. So if this fails, blame
should go to all 3 parties.


  1294.   Canadianfan posted:
  01.23.2017 - 9:59 pm
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The more I read about it the happier I am. No more sandbagging or laying
back they have got a be on it all the time. I want everyone to watch the
first six races this year and give this format a chance.


  1295.   JSPorts posted:
  01.23.2017 - 11:14 pm
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I agree. Let's give it a chance. This will make for some AWESOME plate
racing, especially towards the end of every segment. Unfortunately,
NASCAR will probably think it makes for too many crashes and take this
format away from the plate tracks, just like they did with tandem
drafting & multiple attempts at green-white-checkered finishes.


  1296.   28DaveyAllison28 posted:
  01.23.2017 - 11:41 pm
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Exciting plate races? Really? Lol.. you are funny and must have
forgotten NA$CAR ruins every plate race by throwing the caution on the
final lap... even 400 feet from the finish line. Ruining what would be
thrilling finishes. Go back since 2012, both Cup and Xfinity and count
'em up


  1297.   Destroyahirismix666 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 12:02 am
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NASCAR, just...what!?

Segmented races is what gave the All-Star Race and the Bud
Shootout/Busch Clash/Whatever they call it now its' charm! By making
every race segmented, you kill the individuality of these races.

I don't have a problem for awarding points for the location of drivers
at the end of race segments, though I honestly think it should have a
bit more focus on lap leading. My problem with this is segmenting these
into caution flag periods.

Bull. f*cking. shit.

What is the point and purpose of doing this!? Recall the 2012 Daytona
500, a overall dull race when it came to actual racing, but as spiced up
between the 98th and 100th laps as about four drivers up front jostled
to lead and get a sweet mid-race-leader money bonus. After we knew who
got the bonus, the race continued on.
There is NO, and I mean NO reason, to segment this with caution flags.
All it will do is force more restarts into the race, for more 'zany
racing', all artificially produced. Don't give me this bullcrap of
cramming in as much commercial time as possible during these stints,
Side-by-Side is a thing that the networks can implement (and in some
cases, have implemented for nearly the entire latter half of a race).
Oh, I can't WAIT to see the restart crashes and tomfoolery this year.
And by can't wait, I mean I can wait.

Oh yeah, and the points system continues to morph into more and more of
a mess. I've watched this sport since 2004 (and have done alot of
watching of older races from the 80's until '03 during my late teenage
years) and I'll admit, the point system has never really been quite
perfect. But throwing every hairbrained idea ontop of other ones isn't
going to fix the problem. You've got to stop performing surgery on the
body so it can recover from shock, you don't just make 15 operations in
40 minutes!

Granted, last year, I thought that maybe NASCAR's top division might
start to improve, after adjusting the GWC rule into something I felt was
needed after multiple issues. With this, I gave about 6 races last year
a chance, and while I wasn't satisfied, I wasn't displeased either.

Between the addition of the Caution clock in the Truck series
permanently killing my interest in that series, to forcing a chase into
the Nationwide and Truck series (...is it still Nationwide? I only
watched one race from the #2 series last year, Tally) killing my
interest in the #2 series, I was nearly done. I continued observing the
sport, at a great distance, merely because I wanted to see Johnson get
his 7th championship. But with races now segmented with breaks, and to a
lesser extent the points getting even MORE f**ked up, and the general
lack of a reason to even still have the Bud Shootout and the All-Star
race anymore, well...

...I now have no more reason to stay, and NASCAR is basically giving
fans like myself the boot and saying "We don't need you. Farewell sucker."

Farewell to you to then. Indycar and ARCA can get my money, because at
least they're f**king trying to be stable, and trying to win back/keep
an actual fanbase that would care instead of the average millennial and
their gimped attention spans. Good god, not even Formula 1 and their
hippie-all-race-conservation-mode crap is this egregious!

I'll look back on NASCAR with mixed memories, emotional attachment to
the 2004-2008 years, deep appreciation between 2009 and 2012 and
pre-2003, and then mixed-to-negative recollections of 2013-2016.


  1298.   18fan posted:
  01.24.2017 - 12:51 am
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Monster was not involved, at least according to the AP story. That story
said they have been working on these changes for 7 months, long before
Monster was involved. The people who were heavily involved were the TV
networks, so the blame would be split between NASCAR management, the
drivers, and the TV networks.


  1299.   Scott B posted:
  01.24.2017 - 7:11 am
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The good : Points awarded for the Twin 125's at Daytona, which actually
is a throwback to old days. Without that, there was little motivation
for teams to perform well in these races.

The OK : If we MUST have a stupid playoff system, rewarding the points
leader for the regular season with a bonus that will carry over.

The bad: Just about everything else, with the possibility that the
actual race winner could not earn the most points for that event being
#1 on my list of "a special kind of stupid."


  1300.   LandonFandon34 (Formerly numbah10hatah) posted:
  01.24.2017 - 7:11 am
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I'm probably going to watch a few races, but I'm going to try to watch
every ARCA race. ARCA is really underrated as a series IMHO. Yes, I know
only a few drivers are competitive in every race, but it's the same damn
thing in NASCAR. ARCA also goes to all different kinds of tracks.
Superspeedways, short tracks, road courses, even dirt tracks. Plus you
get cars that look so bad, they're awesome.


  1301.   Rob posted:
  01.24.2017 - 7:11 am
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I hear they're gonna bring out a Zamboni between segments.


  1302.   Clint posted:
  01.24.2017 - 8:17 am
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I dont think this will change how drivers race at all except at tracks
large enough to pit and stay on the lead lap youll see teams pit right
before the end of segments. The problem with the racing hasnt been the
points system its the aero that doesnt allow the drivers to race side by
side. I dont know why nascar is so reluctant to fix that other than they
have no clue how to on a track by track basis.


  1303.   JLPsnipes posted:
  01.24.2017 - 8:18 am
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@131 exactly


  1304.   Major. Playoff. Implications. posted:
  01.24.2017 - 9:43 am
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In the year 2020, after a rash of sudden retirements, most recently the
shocking departure of the Busch brothers for open wheel racing, and the
inability of fresh talent to build fan bases of any significance in
recent seasons, NASCAR announced major changes.

The buzzword at the press conference sponsored by Marvel Studios and
featuring the Monster Energy topless dancers is "entertainment
certainty." All the old and familiar buzzwords were present too,
including "Winning matters more than ever." They also announced they
were changing their name to THE National Association for Stock Car
Entertainment Racing, or THE NASCER. "Everything with THE in capital
letters in front of it is cool," Brian France's 15-year-old son was
quoted as saying.

Brian France had this to say: "I've come to realize I've surrounded
myself with yes men telling me all my harebrained ideas are grand and I
should ignore all the longtime fans criticizing us. While all my
harebrained ideas were fantastic, I realized ignoring those fans was
wrong. So I looked at various complaints made by them over my reign and
noticed something. They kept referring to WWEcar and I thought that was
the best idea I've ever heard. I also noticed they can't stop talking
about the Chase. So we are bringing that name back for our playoffs. I
assure you this year's Chase will be the Chasiest Chase that ever
Chased. Based on their suggestions we are also looking at a paintball
idea that was suggested a few years back. It won't be ready until 2021,
but the important thing for them to know is I'm listening to them."

"I'm so happy I'll be able to say "Major Chase Implications" every five
seconds again since "Major Playoff Implications" didn't have the same
punch," Jeff Burton said. Further, "Though I totally dismissed the
WWEcar idea a decade ago, I'm totally OK with it now and think it will
take this entertainment entity to new heights."

Dale Earnhardt Jr. spoke after a lengthy commercial break. "The old
school fans are going to love it when I give Chase Elliott the finger on
lap 26 of this year's Daytona 500. In fact, every segment of every race
will have a throwback moment to my daddy's career," he said. Earnhardt
Jr. was lured back to THE NASCER with partial ownership of the
entertainment entity after a one year retirement resulted in a loss of
half of the viewing audience. When asked to address the rumors either he
or Danica Patrick would be the first THE NASCER champion, "You know I've
been told even if I become mentally incapacitated they'll strap me in
and control the car by remote control. Think of the sponsorship
opportunities that will present themselves if the first Monster Energy
THE NASCER DD Cup Series champ strikes a blow against ablism. I don't
know what that means but I'm for it if it puts the Christ back in THE
NASCER."

Jimmie Johnson when reached by phone had this to say. "Whatever goofy
championship format they throw at us I'm for since I'll be pencilled in
to win it at least once. Then they will change it again which I'll also
totally support since I'll be pencilled in to win it at least once. Then
they will change it again which I'll also totally support since I'll be
pencilled in to win it at least once. Then they will change it again
which I'll also totally support since I'll be pencilled in to win it at
least once. Then they will change it again which I'll also totally
support since I'll be pencilled in to win it at least once." He would
have continued if not for a bad connection. Johnson has become a Howard
Hughes-like recluse in recent years since nobody likes him despite his
undeniable greatness. He only leaves the house to win championships.


  1305.   RaceFanX posted:
  01.24.2017 - 11:08 am
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The new points system eliminates bonus points for leading a lap and
leading the most laps. I'm not sure if I like that but we'll have to see
how it plays out.

It was nice to hear that NASCAR contacted the drivers before making
these changes. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and several others successfully
lobbied against implementing the caution clock for the Cups series.


  1306.   Blue Palaski posted:
  01.24.2017 - 11:39 am
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Obviously no-one in NASCAR has any sense of the sports history anymore.
They don't think a season long points battle can be exciting, I beg to
differ 1979, 1985, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1997, etc. were pretty damn
exciting. Nothing is going to bat 1.000; the chase has been more miss
than hit.


  1307.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 12:07 pm
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No 43-Car field more?

The heat races is a good for NASCAR Drivers, is a good from to DNQ
Drivers makes a last chance.

Shootout,Duels,Showdown and All-Star improves this.


  1308.   Mile501 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 1:14 pm
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#1302 "I dont think this will change how drivers race at all except at
tracks large enough to pit and stay on the lead lap youll see teams pit
right before the end of segments."

That could really add some interesting strategy, actually, since the top
10 at the stage caution receive bonus points. Do you pit and try to put
yourself in a better position for the last half of the race? Or do you
stay out and try to earn some of those points? Just to give a couple of
hypotheticals, I could see Kyle Busch running about 6th and pitting
early, giving up those few points because he already has a win. I could
see Jamie McMurray in the same situation staying out, if he is trying to
earn his way into the chase through points like last year.


  1309.   Tide1732 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 1:24 pm
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No matter the points, what matters is the competition.


  1310.   Josh posted:
  01.24.2017 - 1:30 pm
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Surely they would close pit road some laps before the segment ends. Crew
chiefs would have a field day with that.


  1311.   Ferret posted:
  01.24.2017 - 1:43 pm
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I'm still not sold on the changes at all. Personally.....I really,
really do not like the splitting up of races into segments.

Yes, I know the trucks did it but that was there from day one until they
got rid of it for cost reasons and other reasons (least from the sources
I saw about it), but now with all three series adopting the
changes....what's there to differentiate any of the big three series?

I mean, I've said it before but the three series don't have their own
identity any more. Go back ten or fifteen years and the series raced at
different tracks on the same weekend, or diferent track types throughout
the year, for four years the Trucks never went to Daytona, the Busch
never went to certain other tracks either and it took forever for the
Trucks to go to Dega.

Point is.....the sport, as a whole is losing its identity, you could put
a new race fan in a seat with a blindfold and they couldn't tell if it
was Trucks or Busch or Cup flying past, the three series are so similar
now, and it's only got worse with this latest announcement.

Seriously. NASCAR, what's next, more gimmicks? I said before all this
announcement NASCAR was going the way of WWE/XFL.. with gimmicks. What's
next from their bag of sh...tricks I mean? Points for fast pitstops,
points for stupid stuff?

Seriously, I know, I know, I keep mentioning the traditionalist fanbase
but those are the people who have built up the sport, those are families
that go to races, their sons and daugthers go to races, their kids go
and so on and so forth.....yet now NASCAR seems to be turning those fans
away in favor oh the an idea I don't think will work.

It's been said auto racing in general is suffering with TV ratings and I
don't think this will help at all, it'll justt confuse new fans and
annoy the existing ones...

It's like going to a hockey game and getting awarded points for each
punch in a fight or being given a goal for leading at the end of a
period. Speaking of hockey though somebody mentioned Gary Bettman, even
he's not that stupid....though....he needs to get his act together in
some regards but the NHL is nowhere near as screwed as NSCAR....believe
it or not the NHL actually is putting on a decent show on the ice these
days.

NASCAR could honestly take cues from other sports....and not the bad,
bad ideas such as splitting up the races. I personally hate that because
it goes against everything the racing is. It's go as quick as you can
for the advertised distance and the guy or girl who is first past the
post wins. You don't see the Kentucky Derby split up into three segments
do you, or the World Series stop every three innings and suddenly the
leading team gets an extra run tacked on....that'd cause a riot,
especially in certain cities....

Point is. NASCAR needs to fix things. And by 'fix', I mean.....sort it
out, and figure out how to get the tradtional fan back into the mix
already!


  1312.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 1:45 pm
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@1310 I am pretty sure they said they would close pit road with 5 laps
to go.

It was also asked about a caution flag coming out before the end of a
segment, if it was 8 laps to go they would try to get it restarted,
obviously with 2 laps before the end of a segment its not going to
happen so yes the segment would end under caution.

Segment 2 would be the half way point of the race. so basically Segment
3 would be the final 50% of the race.

If rain stops a race before Segment 2 is completed then the race is not
over and has to at least complete Segment 2 to be declared an official
race completion


  1313.   KW posted:
  01.24.2017 - 2:52 pm
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How about points for rollovers like some short tracks used to do, or
wrecks, maybe the driver with the most spectacular "highligh reel" wreck
should be the champion.

Honestly I hope that once this set of gimmicks fails to increase ticket
sales and TV viewership, maybe the gimmicks will go away and we can get
back to good racing.


  1314.   dennyfan11 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 2:59 pm
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This new system doesn't make a LICK of sense. Why do we need TWO points
systems? Why not just, you know, one? Why does each race need segments
like the NFL? Why do the DUELS count for points? (I know they used to,
but they're not normal races!) This whole format is so convoluted and
gimmicky and I can barely wrap my head around it.

To make matters worse, this will allow more and more strategy abuse to a
previously unseen level. Think of the crapstorm at the All-Star race,
except a whole season. Expect to see backmarkers stay out for the one
lap to get those coveted 10 bonus points frequently. Expect to see lots
of controversial outcomes.

This is the last straw. I have decided that I will no longer be watching
NASCAR full time. The racing can still be good, but I can't enjoy a
system so smothered in gimmicks and convoluted points systems. From the
Chase, to the charters, to the fact it's been 2 straight years without a
deserving champion, to the controversies, to the often crappy racing,
I've had enough. Next year, I will only watch Daytona, Talladega,
Bristol, Martinsville, Richmond, Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Homestead, and
Auto Club. 14 out of 36 races.


  1315.   Mile501 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 3:09 pm
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"Expect to see backmarkers stay out for the one lap to get those coveted
10 bonus points frequently."

I don't think that is really possible, given the format that will be in
place...


  1316.   David posted:
  01.24.2017 - 3:24 pm
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"This new system doesn't make a LICK of sense. Why do we need TWO points
systems? Why not just, you know, one?"

Yeah, NASCAR did a poor job of explaining that aspect. The so-called
"playoff points" are merely the points accumulated for the Chase reset.

"Why does each race need segments like the NFL? Why do the DUELS count
for points? "
I wasn't aware the NFL awarded points to the winning team at the end of
each quarter.

The Duels don't need to award points, but it's probably NASCAR's way of
making the most prestigious race of the year (the Daytona 500) actually
worth more in the standings.

"This whole format is so convoluted and gimmicky and I can barely wrap
my head around it."

You're not trying very hard, then.

"To make matters worse, this will allow more and more strategy abuse.
Expect to see backmarkers stay out for the one lap to get those coveted
10 bonus points frequently. Expect to see lots of controversial outcomes."

Because the top-tier teams will definitely let that happen.

"This is the last straw. I have decided that I will no longer be
watching NASCAR full time. The racing can still be good, but I can't
enjoy a system so smothered in gimmicks. I will only watch Daytona,
Talladega, Bristol, Martinsville, Richmond, Sonoma, Watkins Glen,
Homestead, and Auto Club. 14 out of 36 races."

So you're not going to watch over half the season simply because the
points system changed and there are going to be two predetermined
yellows in every event? I don't know about you, but every weekend I sit
down to watch a race, not an unfolding championship battle. The
standings are secondary, because the fundamental nature of NASCAR has
still not changed after nearly 70 years; that is, drivers and teams from
many places and backgrounds converge at the track to have a race and see
who's the best. You admitted that the racing "can still be good". Why
let the championship system ruin that for you?


  1317.   Cornys posted:
  01.24.2017 - 3:36 pm
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I hate to see a once great racing organization do this to its self.

Those who claim they are done with NASCAR aren't all just blowing smoke.
I said the same things about this time three years ago (leading into
2014). I went to the Martinsville race that I already had tickets for in
the spring, and haven't gone back to a NASCAR sanctioned race since.

Find another series you enjoy and enjoy it those of you who are tired of
NASCAR. NASCAR might be the most popular racing league in the United
States, but I have to say that in my opinion it's far from the best. You
just have to give yourself some time to learn about and get into
another. You'll doubt yourself at first, but after a year of watching
another series, you'll love it. I promise.


  1318.   Cornys posted:
  01.24.2017 - 3:38 pm
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"How about points for rollovers like some short tracks used to do, or
wrecks, maybe the driver with the most spectacular "highligh reel" wreck
should be the champion.

Honestly I hope that once this set of gimmicks fails to increase ticket
sales and TV viewership, maybe the gimmicks will go away and we can get
back to good racing."

Escalation of commitment. They won't go back unless it's the last
options on the table, or somebody else is put in charge of the
organization.


  1319.   Suburban Shaman posted:
  01.24.2017 - 3:56 pm
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They just make this up as they go. Don't understand this system and
won't be attempting to. Will still watch, but NASCAR's last shred of
credibility went a long time ago. Honestly believe that's why Carl retired.


  1320.   Clint posted:
  01.24.2017 - 4:59 pm
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Its sad that the sanctioning body had to step in and incentive teams to
run as hard as they can every lap. That used to be a foregone
conclusion, drivers used to understand that they needed to put on a show
for the fans. Sometime between Earnhardt's death and now that sentiment
changed to simply getting a good finishing position. The sanctioning
bodies decision for the chase and COT hasn't helped matters but the
teams and drivers are complicit for their roles as well. Somewhere along
the way the unwritten drivers code became to not race each other hard,
that's a huge part of where the sport is in 2017. Watch the 2001 Daytona
Duels the drivers were racing harder in the first 30 laps of that race
than I've seen drivers run in the final 30 laps of last year's Daytona
500 with the Toyota gang just running single file until the final lap.


  1321.   RaceFanX posted:
  01.24.2017 - 5:43 pm
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"Watch the 2001 Daytona Duels the drivers were racing harder in the
first 30 laps of that race than I've seen drivers run in the final 30
laps of last year's Daytona 500"

That in all certainty was because the Duels back then still played a
real role in who got in and who went home because 50+ cars showed up for
the 500. See Todd Bodine's shock DNQ that year while Jeff Purvis sneaked
in with an underfunded effort.


  1322.   Clint posted:
  01.24.2017 - 5:51 pm
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Im talking about the leaders. Watch duel 1 with marlin, gordon, and
earnhardt going for the lead. They were all cars that barring a never
before seen cataclysm were going to be in the show. They were getting
after it though and im talking about right from the drop of the green


  1323.   racefangurl posted:
  01.24.2017 - 5:54 pm
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NASCAR doesn't think anyone under 40 can stand a whole season champion.
"They don't have that kind of attention span." or whatever seems to be
what they believe. The race segments are probably that kind of thing, too.


  1324.   JSPorts posted:
  01.24.2017 - 6:32 pm
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I'd say the majority of commenters on this site are under 40, and most
of us hate the Chase and hate pretty much every change that's been made
since 2004.


  1325.   18fan posted:
  01.24.2017 - 6:33 pm
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NASCAR doesn't want to let a full season championship battle play out
because it isn't guaranteed to be exciting. They want the Super Bowl,
Game 7 type thing guaranteed.

I don't mind the new system and, like has been said on here previous, I
watch for the racing and the competition more than the championship
battle, especially early in the season. I just don't like the
winner-take-all championship race, but that will not go away as long as
Brian and his friends are in charge.


  1326.   Danica10Racer posted:
  01.24.2017 - 6:33 pm
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Important drivers losing sponsorship, constant rules changes and
incompetent management. This is the way that NASCAR dies. I'm fine with
it too because my favorite driver doesn't need NASCAR, NASCAR needs her.


  1327.   JSPorts posted:
  01.24.2017 - 6:35 pm
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I'm not sure NASCAR needs Danica anymore. She was a big media story the
first year or so she was in the Cup series, but now that she's
performing poorly and hardly in the headlines, I don't know that it
makes much of a difference.


  1328.   JSPorts posted:
  01.24.2017 - 6:39 pm
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I've seen it mentioned that NASCAR keeps changing the system because
Jimmie Johnson keeps winning. Here are some stats to either deny that
claim or prove that NASCAR is not good at keeping him from winning.
2002-2003 formula: Johnson won 0 titles
2004-2006 formula: Johnson won 1 title
2007-2010 formula: Johnson won 4 titles
2011-2013 formula: Johnson won 1 title
2014-2016 formula: Johnson won 1 title
The only one he didn't win in was the original, non-Chase format. So if
they want him to stop winning, maybe they should try to go back to that.
I don't buy that as the reason they're making the changes, but if he is
the reason, I hope some fans realize that complaining about Johnson
winning doesn't help the changes stop.


  1329.   Eric posted:
  01.24.2017 - 6:39 pm
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racefangurl.

I'm under the age of 40. I started watching NASCAR back in 1993. My
first NASCAR race I watched was the 1993 Daytona 500 and I was in 8th
grade at the time.

I have no problems to stand a whole season champion. I had no problems
with Matt Kenseth winning only 1 race in 2003 matter of fact despite
being that seasons cup champion.


  1330.   Danica10Racer posted:
  01.24.2017 - 6:44 pm
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NASCAR absolutely needs Danica, just as much as they need Junior. No
other driver in the series has mainstream appeal. An argument can be
made that off the track that Danica is the most important driver that
NASCAR has ever had.

If Danica and Junior leave the ratings will tank. Nobody except the
diehard fans will care about a gimmick series with mediocre drivers and
mediocre racing.


  1331.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  01.24.2017 - 7:25 pm
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Nascar is pretty much desperate for ratings at this point.


  1332.   Clint posted:
  01.24.2017 - 7:39 pm
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No one but the general fan base cares about nascar. Look at the ratings
and attendance they have gone down since danica patrick became a full
time cup driver. Not saying correlation equals causation but she isnt
driving people to the sport in any measurable way. If she had this cross
stream appeal she wouldnt be hard up for sponsorship guaranteed


  1333.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.24.2017 - 8:31 pm
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1304- Now that, my friend, is how you make a satire post.


  1334.   Seibaru posted:
  01.24.2017 - 8:35 pm
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@1330 Again, I agree. Danica and Dale are the big lures to the sport
now. When they leave, NASCAR's done for...though methinks with France
and Trump in kahoots it'll at least survive for a bit.

...Yes, I know, I have no proof of that. But think about it, if it came
out that Brian France was mooching off the trust fund where Trump's four
billion dollars currently sits, would you REALLY be surprised?


  1335.   Danica10Racer posted:
  01.24.2017 - 8:37 pm
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@1332

No, Danica helped NASCAR and they would be much worse position if not
for Danica. I think what you are seeing in Danica's sponsorship woes is
that even Danica, the most important driver off the track, can't get
sponsorship in an overcosted sport looking for way too much money per
driver and a series bordering on irrelevancy.


  1336.   JSPorts posted:
  01.24.2017 - 9:37 pm
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With all the points changes that were just announced, I thought it would
be interesting to post the final 2016 points under the F1 points system:
1st: Kyle Busch
2nd: Kevin Harvick
3rd: Joey Logano
4th: Brad Keselowski
5th: Denny Hamlin
6th: Jimmie Johnson
7th: Carl Edwards
8th: Martin Truex, Jr.
9th: Matt Kenseth
10th: Kyle Larson
11th: Chase Elliott
12th: Kurt Busch
13th: Tony Stewart
14th: Austin Dillon
15th: Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
16th: Kasey Kahne
17th: Jamie McMurray
18th: Ryan Blaney
19th: Ryan Newman
20th: Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.
21st: A.J. Allmendinger
22nd: Chris Buescher
23rd: Trevor Bayne
24th: Greg Biffle
25th: Regan Smith
26th: Brian Scott
27th: Alex Bowman
28th: Clint Bowyer
29th: Jeff Gordon
30th: Matt DiBenedetto
31st: Brian Vickers
32nd: Paul Menard
33rd: Aric Almirola
34th: Michael McDowell
35th: all other drivers tied with 0 points


  1337.   23andJoe posted:
  01.24.2017 - 10:37 pm
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^^ Don't stop believin'.


  1338.   racefangurl posted:
  01.24.2017 - 10:59 pm
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1329, I'm under 40 and I watched races in the late 90's and 2000. I
don't need gimmicks. While I'm not patient with some things, car
racing's not one. If I watch a race on TV, I may do other things during
a caution or commercial, but when it's not one of those things, I watch.
As a citizen journalist, I take notes on the race, even.


  1339.   Damon posted:
  01.24.2017 - 11:00 pm
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"Look at the ratings and attendance they have gone down since danica
patrick became a full time cup driver. Not saying correlation equals
causation but she isnt driving people to the sport in any measurable way"


I could say the same thing about Dale Jr. too. After all, in 2008 when
everybody went crazy about him going to Hendrick and how him being
competitive would raise the viewership? Well, it didn't, the viewership
for the season dipped from 7.116 million to 7.082

Beyond that, Dale Jr. won 4 races in 2014 and the viewership for the
season dropped from 5.8 million to 5.3, then in 2015 he won 3 times and
the viewership dropped from 5.3 million to 5.1

In Danica's case, she hasn't had a bigger effect on the ratings because
she hasn't produced the results to get the mainstream media/fans to want
to watch an auto race outside of the 2013 Daytona 500 when she started
from pole and the race saw a 22% viewership increase (16.7 million
overall) and was the most watched Daytona 500 since 2008.


  1340.   18fan posted:
  01.24.2017 - 11:08 pm
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I do agree that a competitive Dancia would be a massive ratings boost.
But when she's running 20th every week and some races go by where she is
barely mentioned, that won't help. Her simply being in the race isn't
enough.


  1341.   Sector posted:
  01.25.2017 - 1:25 am
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""Why does each race need segments like the NFL? Why do the DUELS count
for points? "
I wasn't aware the NFL awarded points to the winning team at the end of
each quarter."

I nearly died reading this LMAO


  1342.   David posted:
  01.25.2017 - 1:51 am
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^I didn't think it was THAT funny, but thanks!


  1343.   dennyfan11 posted:
  01.25.2017 - 7:55 am
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My decision is not just because of the new system, it's the culmination
of all the stuff that's happened in the past three years. From the
HORRIBLE new Chase, to the Charter system killing small teams, to the
fact the last two years haven't had a deserving champion, to all the
controversy and questionable decisions (NASCAR NOT penalizing Kevin
Harvick one bit for a massive wreck at Talladega 2015 is one of many),
to the awful new formats of things like the All-Star race, to the
incredibly boring racing at lots of tracks, my enjoyment of NASCAR has
dropped singificantly the past few years. I'm not sure if i'll stick to
it though, lots of people say things like that and don't follow through
with it.


  1344.   dennyfan11 posted:
  01.25.2017 - 7:57 am
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Also (Sorry for double post) the new spoiler being 2.5 inches sounds
like an awful idea too. It will severely hurt aerodynamics of the cars,
especially on plate tracks.


  1345.   dennyfan11 posted:
  01.25.2017 - 8:06 am
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I will think a lot about this, NASCAR's still a thing I look forward
too, but at this point I mostly zone out a lot during the races, so i'm
not sure.


  1346.   RaceFanX posted:
  01.25.2017 - 8:41 am
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Amid everything else I'll admit that I'm not a fan of playoffs or
charters but I do plan to stick with the stock cars. I love all
motorsports and NASCAR is still my favorite because it still has some
unpredictability as opposed to say F1 or WEC and I like the almost
road-ready appearance of the cars. And like any series I'll watch
because I want to see who wins. I've been watching since 1995 and don't
plan to stop. Maybe the championship is still weird but if that's the
case I can focus on the individual races.

I'm iffy on the segmented races BUT I used to love the halftime break in
the Truck series so if it's like that it could be fun if done right.


  1347.   JSPorts posted:
  01.25.2017 - 10:27 am
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I'm a big NASCAR fan, so I'm going to have to see how much this really
takes away from the on-track product. I tend to agree with RaceFanX
about what he just said, but I do wish another stock-car series would be
able to compete with NASCAR. If that were the case, NASCAR could be
driven out by a better series or they would be forced to change things
back so they wouldn't become irrelevant.


  1348.   Clint posted:
  01.25.2017 - 10:31 am
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I think one thing that has hurt Nascar's credibility is its commentary
constantly praising the sport. There are no reporters or broadcasters
that are even remotely critical of the on track product or any decision
that Nascar makes. Not every sport is going to be perfect but if you
watched a broadcast every aero package, tire combo, caution flag
decision, and points modification that Nascar has made is the smartest
decision any sport has ever made. It leaves a large chunk of the fan
base feel like they arent being heard and that they are being
marginalized. Essentially telling your customers every week you are
wrong and this is why you are wrong is not a healthy business practice.
A dissenting voice is exactly what an organization needs sometimes to
keep it honest.


  1349.   JSPorts posted:
  01.25.2017 - 11:06 am
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Yes, you really hit the nail on the head. Even all over Twitter, it's
all positive reactions from the NASCAR folks. My favorite response was
that of Mark Martin, who said he wishes we could go back to the way it
was in the 80's & 90's, but he knows that's not realistic.


  1350.   racefangurl posted:
  01.25.2017 - 4:24 pm
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I guess old Martin, old racer though he is, says the past is over and
the world's changed too much. Maybe he feels the old fans are stuck in
the past, but admits we need to move on. That's what I feel he's saying.


  1351.   52 posted:
  01.25.2017 - 6:58 pm
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Good comment by Clint.

Here is the problem with the "on the track product." The benefit of
fighting for position on track is minimal now. The racing was better
prior to double-file restarts. Now, a good pit stop and good restart
mean more than on track speed. The double file restarts, especially late
ones, turn races into crap-shoots. The driver running between 4th to 6th
can time a restart perfect and sail away with an underserved victory.

Personally I don't find that exciting, just disappointing that the most
deserving team is screwed out of a win.

I don't understand why we can't go back into the past, the formula
worked well.


  1352.   David posted:
  01.25.2017 - 8:18 pm
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I share your mindset, RaceFanX. I prefer NASCAR because it's what I grew
up with, and I've never been able to get into other racing series
(though that itself was largely due to the inavailability of their races
on our TV, a problem that has dissipated since moving to college). It is
going to take a lot more than this to tear me away.


  1353.   chevyfan98 posted:
  01.25.2017 - 9:36 pm
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"I guess old Martin, old racer though he is, says the past is over and
the world's changed too much. Maybe he feels the old fans are stuck in
the past, but admits we need to move on. That's what I feel he's saying."

That is exactly what he is saying. I have my own issues with Mark, but
he hit the nail on the head here. We can't just go back to how NASCAR
was in the 70s, 80s, or even the 90s or early 2000s. Things change over
time. And some of the things that NASCAR used to have just wouldn't work
in today's day and age, no matter who is in charge. Take racing back to
the line for example. The reason they got rid of it is because some
drivers were beginning to take advantage of it to pick up some easy
positions on the drivers who would let lapped cars past them. Do you
really think that would have stopped? Absolutely not. In today's NASCAR,
with aggressive drivers like Logano, Harvick, Kyle Busch, and
Keselowski, it would've only gotten worse. (And I don't mean throwing a
caution or not on the last lap, that's a whole different matter) That's
just one of many examples I could bring up. I'm not denying for a second
that most of the things that have happened under the Brian France regime
have had negative effects, but essentially going back to how everything
used to be is not an option.


And to add on to what RaceFanX and David said, why do we watch NASCAR? I
used to think it was to cheer for my favorite driver, and I dreaded the
inevitable day when Dale Jr. hangs up his helmet. But watching the
entire second half of last season without a clear #1 favorite driver (I
guess Chase sort of) gave me a new outlook. When I watch a race, the
most important thing is just to see good racing. The championship is the
ultimate goal in the end, but be honest, when you're watching a race
during... I don't know, April, how much are you thinking about the
championship? Yeah, not very much. So its going to take a lot for me to
stop watching NASCAR.


  1354.   JSPorts posted:
  01.25.2017 - 11:28 pm
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David, chevyfan98, I feel the same way. I've been heavily invested in
this sport for 10 years now. I can't just pick up and leave. For me,
racing isn't about any one thing. It's about my favorite driver,
currently Dale Jr. It's about good competition. It's about parity, and
about dominance. It's about the spoils of victory and the heartbreak
that is defeat. It's about the year-long grind that crowns a champion at
year's end, and the appreciation of all the work that went into every
aspect of a car, team & driver winning the season title.

I love the cars of NASCAR. Do I wish they were more "stock"? Sure. I
love the drivers & personalities of NASCAR. Do I wish we still had a
Tony Stewart, Mark Martin, Sterling Marlin or Labonte brothers? Sure, of
course. But I appreciate every one of today's drivers for so many
reasons, from my favorites to the ones I'm not such a big fan of. Do I
like the Chase? No, I wish it could be replaced. But that isn't
realistic. I don't like the leadership of NASCAR, and I think Brian
France has really driven the sport down a steep slope.

But I spend 38 weeks a year watching top-level American stock car
racing. I feel like this sport is a part of who I am, and I, along with
so many other fans like me, am a big part of it. Nothing will ever be
perfect. But I've been doing a lot of thinking about this new format,
just as I did when they announced the new Chase and I thought I would
stop watching. This sport has been so incredibly fun for me to follow
for the past 10 years, and I just can't give up on it that easily. There
may be things I don't particularly like, but I'm not going to let those
ruin my experience. I will look for the good in the sport, while still
acknowledging there are things I don't like. I will give this new format
a chance, and I hope everyone else will do so with me.


  1355.   racefangurl posted:
  01.26.2017 - 12:50 am
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1352,1354, I'm with you. I'm a race fan, so I'll try it and see if I can
swallow it.


  1356.   Blue Palaski posted:
  01.26.2017 - 7:14 am
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I don't care about NASCAR adapting to the times, but I also want some
semblance of logic going into it. They have shown a complete disdain of
intelligence the past few years with all these dumb gimmicks to create
artificial excitement; which is why I'm out.


  1357.   Cornys posted:
  01.26.2017 - 3:31 pm
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"I'd say the majority of commenters on this site are under 40, and most
of us hate the Chase and hate pretty much every change that's been made
since 2004."

Yup. I'm 22.


  1358.   Kevin Colley posted:
  01.26.2017 - 3:46 pm
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Same here. I'm 24.

But I am going to give this new format - as confusing as it is to
understand - a chance.

To put it in short version without going on a huge ramble, Brian France
needs to cut his losses, quit putting his ego in front of the sport, and
say that the traditional points version and the traditional way of
deciding a champion was the best way before he kills NASCAR entirely.
There's no consistency to the sport anymore.

If I were his father and grandfather, I'd truly be amazed at how he is
letting his ego rise above what is best for the sport.


  1359.   Sean posted:
  01.26.2017 - 9:47 pm
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"I'd say the majority of commenters on this site are under 40, and most
of us hate the Chase and hate pretty much every change that's been made
since 2004."

I'm almost 32. I do think I'm taking a break from NASCAR and I have
before (2003-04).

There are a few Brian France era things I didn't hate:

I liked the return of the Southern 500 to Labor Day Weekend and the
throwback paint schemes (since the Southern 500 was removed IN 2004, it
counts.)

I liked the international expansion (the Mexico/Canada races) and am
disappointed it didn't really last.

I liked the introduction of loop data statistics.

I thought the wave-around was a definite improvement over having cars on
the tail end of the lead lap.

I thought freezing the field was an improvement over the chaos in the
latter years of the gentleman's agreement, and the lucky dog honestly
never bothered me until the wave-around began because usually more than
an average of one car per caution would get a lap back in some of those
later years as plenty of leaders would slow down to let a teammate or
worse, even somebody of the same car manufacturer who wasn't a teammate,
get a lap back.

That's not nearly enough to counteract all the bad things, but I
wouldn't say EVERYTHING was awful.

"say that the traditional points version and the traditional way of
deciding a champion was the best way"

Less bad than any of the other points systems they tried, yes, but that
doesn't mean it was a good points system either.


  1360.   Suburban Shaman posted:
  01.31.2017 - 2:41 pm
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Okay I have to ask, what is the procedure going to be once the season
actually starts with the comment split between here and the other site's
boards? Before races,during,and after?


  1361.   Since when? posted:
  02.04.2017 - 9:37 am
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I haven't visited this site since the end of last season, but when
exactly did it become a NASCAR property? I didn't hear any announcement.


  1362.   Anonymous posted:
  02.04.2017 - 9:44 am
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^^^^^^^

What are you talking about?


  1363.   nascarman posted:
  02.04.2017 - 9:56 am
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At the bottom of the home page, there's this little blurb:

"NASCAR® and its marks are trademarks of the National Association for
Stock Car Auto Racing, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of
their respective owners.
Copyright © 2017 NASCAR Digital Media, LLC. All rights reserved.
Racing-reference.info is part of the NASCAR Digital Media Network."

News to me too, dont know exactly what this means.




  1364.   Anonymous posted:
  02.04.2017 - 10:22 am
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I see. Maybe it has to do with some legal jazz involving the right to
use the NASCAR logos and name.


  1365.   Seibaru posted:
  02.04.2017 - 1:00 pm
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@1364 I was about to say the same thing, yeah.


  1366.   484evs posted:
  02.04.2017 - 9:52 pm
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Two weeks from tonight ladies and gentleman :D


  1367.   Suburban Shaman posted:
  02.05.2017 - 12:41 pm
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Btw incase some of you missed it Dale Jr. will be in the booth for the
Clash with Bowman in the racecar. Would still like to know about the
comment split and how that will be handled.


  1368.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 1:23 pm
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Biffle Backs to trucks again?


  1369.   18fan posted:
  02.05.2017 - 2:03 pm
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For the comment split, I would think news (driver changes, crew chief
changes, rumors, etc.) would go on the discussion board/forum/whatever
you want to call it. We could still use the race comments on this site
for live commentary during races and then reaction to the races.


  1370.   chevyfan98 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 3:29 pm
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I assume activity will pick up somewhat on here once the season starts
but it sounds like the forum admins (mainly Long Shot) want most of the
comments to stay over there, so we'll just see how it goes.


  1371.   Suburban Shaman posted:
  02.05.2017 - 3:35 pm
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Appreciate the responses guys. Respect to Long Shot, but I hope there's
still a good amount of activity on here.


  1372.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 5:44 pm
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#MakePatriotsGreatAgain!


  1373.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 5:44 pm
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No More WRRV Race?


  1374.   Bandit posted:
  02.05.2017 - 6:03 pm
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No More WRRV Race?

~I think that guy who used do this, he died. I read it somewhere which
would explain why he suddenly vanshied


  1375.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 6:23 pm
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GO NEP!!!

#MakePatriotsGreatAgain!


  1376.   chevyfan98 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 6:32 pm
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I certainly didn't die. I stopped doing it because of a lack of interest.


  1377.   Seibaru posted:
  02.05.2017 - 6:40 pm
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@1370 I dunno, it seems like the forum may have to permit guests in
order for that to happen.

@1375 Must. Not. Make. Joke. About. Politics...


  1378.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 7:06 pm
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The Superbowl 51 is under way!!!!

Patriots X Falcons

WHOS GOING TO WINNING IT!

#GONEP


  1379.   42KylePetty42 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 7:15 pm
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One reason many people quit wanting to watch was because you started
picking sucky races.. 1999 at Loudon, for one. The 2007 Coca-Cola 600
(which was a awesome race) but that is NOT retro. And we tried,
suggested older races thrown in the mix from The 80's and early 90's
(before 1997) and you wouldn't .. those days between 1979 til 1997 were
primary NA$CAR's golden days


  1380.   chevyfan98 posted:
  02.05.2017 - 7:26 pm
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The entire point of the series was to show races that were more obscure.
I tried showing races that were suggested and there was still little to
no interest. And speak for yourself, just because you didn't like the
races doesn't mean they sucked.


  1381.   racefangurl posted:
  02.06.2017 - 12:15 am
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I caved and registered there, but I won't talk. Thanks to my history on
this site, I feel unwelcome in the discussions over there. Too much
fangirling and dumb pie talk on these boards on my part.


  1382.   Niles Y93 posted:
  02.06.2017 - 1:02 am
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@1381

To be honest, I never saw any fangirling from you. You have a driver you
like a lot. The only difference is that at least you're acknowledging
that (for right now) he's not having the runs he needs and that he's not
the "end all/be all" driver (a la "NASCAR needs him more than he needs
NASCAR.")

Before you think I'm railing, I want Trevor Bayne (I think that's your
driver, if I remember correctly.) to do well, but he needs to step up a
bit. He needs to start having some good runs and maybe he can contend
for the win a few times. Will that be with RFR or another team? I don't
know.

My point is, you're welcome to join the conversation over there. And we
would love to have you join the conversation.


  1383.   racefangurl posted:
  02.06.2017 - 1:17 pm
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1382, I've talked excessively about drivers I like and been accused of
fangirlism. Like sometimes, I've talked about RFR being the reason
Trevor's been not great and "your fangirlism is blinding you" somebody
said. I also like Joey and did an e-yell on race message boards here
when he won. I also had a phase of talking about Regan Smith too much
(the pie talk was at the same time). I just feel I have a bad past in
these parts, but maybe once the Clash happens, I'll venture over there.
Maybe I've grown a bit, since I don't do like I did in my worst phase
here (the pie talk and excessive Regan Smith comments phase).


  1384.   Niles Y93 posted:
  02.06.2017 - 4:48 pm
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@1383

"I've talked about RFR being the reason Trevor's been not great...."

Well, you're partially not wrong on that one. RFR is not what it once
was. Hopefully by going to two teams they can get that competitive spark
back.

As for the Regan Smith stuff, you're talking to a guy who still believes
he won the '08 Talladega race (Yes, that one.)

As for Joey.....well......we may have to disagree on that.


  1385.   racefangurl posted:
  02.07.2017 - 5:10 pm
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1384, I put a bunch of comments on the Regan Smith board 2+ years ago
(late summer and part of fall 2014). I just really wanted him to win the
then-Nationwide championship, as he had the points lead earlier in that
year, to redeem his 2013 choke (he lost a big points lead that year).
He's not a bad driver, so he should be able to find something, even a
minor league ride or if the need arises, a substitute driver stint.


  1386.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.07.2017 - 7:40 pm
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Greg Biffle Can Back to Trucks?


  1387.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.07.2017 - 7:40 pm
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2008 AMP Energy 500 - The most controversial NASCAR Race ever (modern era)


  1388.   JSPorts posted:
  02.07.2017 - 8:11 pm
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I disagree. That has to be the 2013 Richmond fall race, with all the
penalties and the demise of Michael Waltrip Racing.


  1389.   Sean posted:
  02.07.2017 - 9:07 pm
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I vote for the 1973 National 500. Not sure what's controversial about
Richmond. MWR cheated and they got caught. It's controversial when
somebody arguably cheats and does not get caught or penalized.

Now NASCAR expanding the chase to 13 cars to let both Logano and Gordon
in, THAT was controversial.


  1390.   chevyfan98 posted:
  02.07.2017 - 9:18 pm
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Its controversial because of how horribly NASCAR handled it. None of the
drivers who tanked were punished, while only of the drivers who
benefited from the tanking (Truex) was punished while the other (Logano)
wasn't. And then they added Gordon to the chase because reasons.

And, thinking bigger picture, would we have the current chase format if
Spingate didn't happen? Usually the reason they change the format is
because of a problem they see with the current one (expanded the
original chase because reigning champion Stewart missed it in 2006,
added Wild Cards because of McMurray's highly inconsistent 2010 season).
So who knows.


  1391.   Sean posted:
  02.07.2017 - 9:22 pm
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Okay, right.

Lately it seems they change the championship format solely because three
years have passed since they last did it...


  1392.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.08.2017 - 2:57 pm
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Cole Custer can drives the #10 Next year?

The future of SHR Team lineup

#4 Kevin Harvick
#10 Cole Custer
#14 Cristhoper Bell
#41 Kurt Busch


  1393.   Seibaru posted:
  02.08.2017 - 3:29 pm
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...I just noticed that Tide has made 49 posts on this comment thread
since the comment thread reached 1001 and moved to a third page. Don't
you think that's a little much?

...For the love of everything, CLINT. BOWYER. Will be in the 14. CLINT.
You know, the guy who drove the 15 of HScott when they still existed?
Him. He'll be in the 14. And as far as I know, Danica will likely be
back. If they don't have the money to run the car, NASCAR will give them
the money, because Danica is Danica.


  1394.   Wisk2871 posted:
  02.08.2017 - 4:10 pm
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Clint Folsom drive Stewart Haas Avocados Chevrolet?


  1395.   42KylePetty42 posted:
  02.08.2017 - 5:24 pm
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Just when you thought NASCAR couldn't get any stupider ..new policy for
2017 just came out
http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20170208g


  1396.   murb posted:
  02.08.2017 - 5:24 pm
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Honestly, I think that lineup Tide posted could very well be the SHR
lineup in two or three more years. Assuming Harvick and Kurt are there
for the long haul to finish their careers, Custer will end up with one
of those other rides eventually (and I really get the feeling Danica
won't last there past 2018 when her contract is supposedly up, so in
that timeline he'd probably get the #10), and if Bowyer is a flop after
a couple years, I think Stewart will go after a younger guy (keep in
mind Bowyer wasn't Stewart's first choice, Larson was), and evidently
he's a big Christopher Bell fan and has already mentored him some
(because of Bell's sprint car background), so I could see that happening
too as Bell really has nowhere to go at the log jammed JGR.

As wild as Tide posts usually are, if I was a betting man I'd bet that
in three years the SHR lineup looks very much like that. Unless Bowyer
really lights the world on fire like Harvick did when he moved there,
but I more and more doubt that will happen (he'll probably be more like
a lesser version of what Kurt has done there)...


  1397.   An Aussie Commentator posted:
  02.08.2017 - 5:53 pm
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The new rule about the 5 minute repair limit for damage is f**king
stupid. Why don't you go V8 Supercars on this, and have a certain
percentage of the race to complete to be classified as a finisher?


  1398.   Seibaru posted:
  02.08.2017 - 6:55 pm
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Daytona's segments have been announced. In miles:

Cup: 150-150-200
Xf: 75-75-150
Trucks: 50-50-150


  1399.   chevyfan98 posted:
  02.08.2017 - 6:58 pm
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Definitely the dumbest thing NASCAR has done this offseason, at least
the new race format has some positives to it.

Can't wait for the inevitable scenario where a driver with fixable
damage isn't allowed to keep racing, and then a big wreck takes out half
a dozen cars later on, effectively screwing up the finishing order at
the back end of the field.


  1400.   484evs posted:
  02.08.2017 - 7:12 pm
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Having those guys still out there with damage is it really that big a
deal NASCAR? Like what difference does it make let them work on the damn
cars


  1401.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  02.08.2017 - 8:05 pm
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I think the 5 minute repair rule is nascar stupidest rule yet.


  1402.   mowman posted:
  02.08.2017 - 8:05 pm
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That has to be the worst rule that NASCAR could have came up with.


  1403.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.08.2017 - 8:06 pm
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The next Joe Gibbs Racing lineup

#11 Daniel Suaréz
#18 Kyle Busch
#20 Erik Jones
#28 Ben Kennedy


  1404.   Mile501 posted:
  02.08.2017 - 8:40 pm
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I find it particularly interesting that this 5-minute rule came about at
the same time they're introducing stages. In other words--with mandated
cautions around the 1/4 and 1/2 marks in the race, there is less of a
need for debris cautions to spice things up. Therefore, they decided
that now would be a good time to get those wrecked cars that might be
dropping debris off the track.

There might or might not be a connection there, but it's interesting to
think about nonetheless.


  1405.   28DaveyAllison28 posted:
  02.08.2017 - 9:49 pm
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Where did they dream this 5 minute rule up at? Does Brain France sit in
a office bored to death all day in Daytona, think of these stupid
idiotic ideas.. Can NASCAR community PLEASE come together, go on strike
or do something until BRAIN FRANCE is GONE?


  1406.   Blue Palaski posted:
  02.09.2017 - 8:58 am
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Brian has never learned, tweeks here and there are fine, but if you make
too big of a change, or get too radical, you start alienating fans. Why
do you think MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL have remained virtually unchanged (from
a competition standpoint) their whole existence? Hell the NFL even
considered giving more points on a conversion the further back from the
endzone you were, but they nixed it because it was crazy. NASCAR is a
pile of shit now, and I used to be a huge NASCAR fan.


  1407.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.09.2017 - 9:32 am
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Um, the NHL constantly overhauls its game and like NASCAR frequently has
the fans complain about the resulting changes even if they asked for
them (the rise of the shootout to replace ties led to complaints no one
tried to win in overtime anymore and changes in rules to encourage teams
not to just bid time until the shootout). They made several tweaks to
speed things up after the lockout that cancelled the 2004-05 season
(leading to several former stars like Brett Hull retiring only a few
games after play restarted) and consistently look to change the rules to
increase scoring (shrinking the maximum size of goalie pads, etc.).


  1408.   Blue Palaski posted:
  02.09.2017 - 10:42 am
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What I meant was the game is, in essence, the same. It's still 5 on 5
plus the goalie, you still have to get the puck in the net, defenders
are allowed to hit you to create a turnover, esc. Brian France is trying
to change the foundation of racing; fighting for every point you can.


  1409.   Blue Palaski posted:
  02.09.2017 - 11:39 am
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Now NASCAR has amended the inspection procedure; if you fail one stage
you are no longer allowed to repeat only that stage, you must go through
the whole inspection again. What a genius idea, huh? "Fans already
complain the race weekends are too long and races never start on time -
let's make cars go through the entire inspection again. That should
liven things up". NASCAR has become a dumpster fire.


  1410.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.09.2017 - 11:46 am
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Updates on Casey Mears and Greg Biffle?


  1411.   Jim Beam posted:
  02.09.2017 - 11:46 am
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With only 5 minutes to repair the car after an accident, this means the
repairs will take place under caution.. while all other cars are pitting
around the crew as they are rush to fix the car. If the clock is
Approaching to five minutes, even if the car is not quite ready yet ..
the crew is likely to send their driver back out in a unrepared car.
Which is dangerous ..what a idiot Brain France must be. A first grader
would have more sense than this guy


  1412.   4TheWin posted:
  02.09.2017 - 12:31 pm
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@1410 I work at NASCAR Technical Institute in North Carolina and one of
my co-workers is close friends with a competition director for one of
the Cup teams. According to him, word in the garage area is that Biffle
and Carl Edwards will lead the charge for Dodge's return next year


  1413.   JeffGordon&ChaseElliott24Fan2016 posted:
  02.09.2017 - 12:37 pm
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@1410, Mears is doing Stadium Stock Truck racing this season, and we
don't know what Biffle's doing yet.


  1414.   Seibaru posted:
  02.09.2017 - 12:53 pm
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Didn't Roger Mears do some offroading way back when? Not a bad choice by
Casey.


  1415.   Seibaru posted:
  02.09.2017 - 12:58 pm
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Also what in the WORLD is this Stadium Super Trucks schedule?

Adelaide
St. Petersburg
Long Beach
Barbagallo Raceway
Detroit
Texas Motor Speedway
Toronto
FB Life Festival (no clue what this is besides that it's in China)
TBA
TBA


  1416.   murb posted:
  02.09.2017 - 7:09 pm
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"Didn't Roger Mears do some offroading way back when? Not a bad choice
by Casey."

I think Casey started in off-road originally as well before he went to
open wheel and eventually stock cars (isn't that why he and Jimmie are
such good friends? - I always assumed they raced against each other there).

Their schedule is definitely wacky, but seeing as though they have to
almost exclusively run football stadiums and street circuits, the lack
of continuity from year to year is understandable. It's actually a
pretty interesting series though. When it first came out they were
showing it a lot on NBCSN but I'm not sure if they still do (I think
they got involved with the X Games or something recently, so maybe now
they're totally buried in ESPN world).


  1417.   JSPorts posted:
  02.09.2017 - 8:04 pm
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Where is everyone seeing that Casey will be driving the off-road truck?
Besides the profile picture on his Twitter, he hasn't seemed to have
been very forthcoming with information.


  1418.   Register posted:
  02.11.2017 - 1:12 pm
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With Daytona 500 practice only a week away, unless there are any last
minute changes, it looks like there will be 42 cars on the entry list.
The 36 charter teams, and these 6 open teams.

7 - Elliott Sadler
51 - Timmy Hill
55 - Reed Sorenson
62 - Brendan Gaughan
83 - Corey Lajoie
96 - DJ Kennington


  1419.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.13.2017 - 10:43 pm
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Guys, that's where the entire Mears racing family came from, going all
the way back to Bill Mears, the father of Rick and Roger. So it should
come as no surprise that, without a Cup ride (or any significant ride in
big league racing, for that matter), that Casey Mears would go back to
his family's racing roots, which is off-road racing.

Now, as for the recent rule changes for the 2017 season, which I have
not commented on since they were announced, I have to say that I'm not
in favor of very many of them at all. NASCAR's trying to turn every race
into what the All-Star Race used to be in the 80s and 90s by breaking
them into three segments with a bonus for the leaders at the end of the
first two segments, which in the case of the 2017 point structure will
be points, instead of dollars. I don't like that idea at all, because
it's entirely conceivable that a driver who finishes 25th-28th could get
more points than a driver that finishes 10th, based on bonus points. And
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the very reason why Bob Latford
created the system he created for the 1975 season, which awarded points
to a specific finishing position? I also don't like the idea of throwing
caution flags at the end of each segment. First, that means someone's
automatically going to get a lap back when a segment end. And if lapped
cars don't pit and the leaders do, there's a possibility that everyone
that doesn't pit will make up a lap. That's just plain wrong.

Another idea I'm not sure about at plate races, but one I actually agree
with overall is the eliminating of wrecked cars out on the track during
the race. On most tracks, that's actually a sound idea because it keep
the wrecked cars off the track and in the garage area, where they
belong. But applying this rule in a plate race means that there's a very
good likelihood that those races may only see 10 (or even fewer) cars
running at the finish, because everyone else will be wrecked because of
everyone running in one pack. And with the likelihood of a
field-decimating crash involving up to half the field, even from an
engine or tire failure, I don't think this is a good idea at a plate
race. But it's actually a good idea for the "open" races where
restrictor plates aren't used, and on smaller tracks, it will actually
give the drivers more room to operate later in the race.

One thing NASCAR has wisely reinstated, which they should never have
done away with in the first place, is the cumulative scoring of points
for drivers in the Chase in ALL Chase races, not just individual rounds.
Resetting everyone's points at the beginning of each round to
effectively zero was never a good idea because it undid what a driver
did in previous Chase rounds. A case in point was Joey Logano in 2015.
He swept round two in that year's Chase, but never got to use the points
from those race wins in the third round, and that. more than what
happened at Martinsville. cost him a spot in the final race for the
championship that he likely would have earned with those three
successive wins. Now a driver will be able to use the points earned from
all Chase races to be able to advance in the Chase via points, should he
not win in a given round.


  1420.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.14.2017 - 8:43 am
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This new damage rule is another good reason why I will be going
"part-time" this year. Easily repairable cars will be unfairly shut out
of the race, when they could've finished like 6 laps down in 30th,
getting valuable points. The effects will be even worse on restrictor
plate races, we could be seeing only 10 cars at the finish in some cases.

This just keeps getting worse, and worse.


  1421.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.14.2017 - 8:47 am
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Also, with 4 days till Speedweeks racing begins, time for a WEATHER REPORT!

Forecast for the Advance Auto Parts Clash is looking iffy, 40% chance of
rain, but they say it will clear up later on.

Other races it's too early to say.


  1422.   Clint posted:
  02.14.2017 - 10:19 am
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The damage rule is just another attempt to appeal to the short attention
span casual fan. They don't want people to be confused why a guy who
crashed 40 laps earlier finished higher than their favorite driver. The
rule has nothing to do with safety or preventing cautions. If that were
the case they could simply have the nascar official in each pit inspect
the car before deeming it safe to return to the race. Expect more debris
cautions caused by hasty repairs because of the rule. The tone deafness
of the current Nascar brain trust is startling. The way Nascar has
ignored its core base of fans is one reason why every year i make less
of an effort to go out of my way to watch a race. If I'm in front of a
tv I'll prolly turn it on but i dont make an effort anymore to be home
to watch the race if i have other stuff going on.


  1423.   Josh posted:
  02.14.2017 - 12:06 pm
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If you're not watching the race because of how NASCAR handles damaged
vehicles then there's probably a deeper reason and you're using this one
as your crutch.

I'm fine with the damage rule. We have unnecessary cautions now because
instead of shearing parts away like they used to, the mega teams have
prefabricated panels ready to go, haphazardly tape or bolt it on, and
then the crap falls off. If stuff was actually sheared away, and we had
cars out there with the modified look instead of basically patched
together full bodies, the cautions for damaged parts falling off
wouldn't happen.


  1424.   Ferret posted:
  02.14.2017 - 1:10 pm
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So if the parts are falling off and causiong cautions, why not just
bring the cars in or black flag them for not being safe?

I mean personally I'm more a fan of completely shearing off adamaged
part if it can't be simply popped back out (like the nose for instance).

Leave the prefab parts to the IMSA guys. They at least have the luxury
of being able to bolt them on properly and have long enough races to be
able to repair damage.

In fact, why doesn't NASCAR merely, in an ideal world, just....ya
know.....make it a rule if you got a part that's damaged beyond a
certain point you can't go back out on track until you have removed the
damaged part?


  1425.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.14.2017 - 1:11 pm
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It's not THE reason, it's A reason. Look above for more I posted.

I think there will be more debris cautions, actually, due to hasty repairs.


  1426.   racefangurl posted:
  02.14.2017 - 4:54 pm
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Maybe they should waive the damage rule at plate races. NASCAR will have
the Clash to see how it goes. That and the Duels will give indication of
how it works at plate tracks. They might be partial field races, but
it's still race conditions.


  1427.   Maverick19 posted:
  02.14.2017 - 5:03 pm
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"Also, with 4 days till Speedweeks racing begins, time for a WEATHER
REPORT!"

I can see it now: dennyfan will become a meteorologist and will wind up
on one of those news fails compilations on YouTube.


  1428.   Niles Y93 posted:
  02.14.2017 - 5:09 pm
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@1426

Not just that, but I see it coming into play at the short tracks
(Richmond, Martinsville, Bristol for Cup) where the mild fender-bender
is a common occurrence.

Also, how would this rule be implemented at, say Eldora for the Trucks.
(Norm Benning vs. Clay Greenfield anyone?)

On that subject, with heat races in Xfinity and Truck, would any car
damaged during one of them even be able to start the race? (Why is the
2005 US Grand Prix suddenly popping into my head?)


  1429.   Eric posted:
  02.14.2017 - 5:34 pm
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All I know is this rule has be changed by the time Darlington comes
around or be changed in some degree. The reason I am saying that is
because of the amount of Darlington stripes. Come to think of it,
Kentucky is a good test of that since the reconfiguration caused a part
of the track be more narrow than the other side of the track.


  1430.   chevyfan98 posted:
  02.14.2017 - 8:21 pm
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"We have unnecessary cautions now because instead of shearing parts away
like they used to, the mega teams have prefabricated panels ready to go,
haphazardly tape or bolt it on, and then the crap falls off."

Actually most "debris" cautions are for either water bottles, paper, or
Brian France pressing the Buffalo Wild Wings button.


  1431.   dennyfan11 posted:
  02.16.2017 - 7:34 am
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So the forecast is looking bleak now, calling for an 80% chance of
thunderstorms.

Brian Neudorff gives a 60% chance of racing, however.


  1432.   JSPorts posted:
  02.16.2017 - 12:59 pm
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The Daytona 500 entry list is out. Only 42 cars entered. The 36
chartered teams, then these teams competing for the 4 open spots:
#7: Elliott Sadler: Golden Corral Chevrolet: Tommy Baldwin Racing
#51: Timmy Hill: TBD Chevrolet: Rick Ware Racing
#55: Reed Sorenson: TBD Toyota: Premium Motorsports
#75: Brendan Gaughan: Beard Oil Distributing Chevrolet: Beard Motorsports
#83: Corey LaJoie: TBD Toyota: BK Racing
#96: D.J. Kennington: Lordco / Castrol Toyota: Gaunt Brothers Racing


  1433.   chevyfan98 posted:
  02.16.2017 - 3:15 pm
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My money is on Kennington and Timmeh to DNQ


  1434.   The Great Dave posted:
  02.16.2017 - 3:19 pm
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Timmy Hill and Brendan Gaughn will DNQ IMO.


  1435.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.16.2017 - 3:57 pm
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The 42 entries for the Daytona 500 would be a new record for the FEWEST
in race history, breaking last year's record-low of 44. Prior to that,
the record for the fewest entries had been 45, set back in 2004. But
consider that there are fewer entries for this year's Daytona 500 than
there were starting spots in the field just two years ago. 43 cars
started the 2015 Daytona 500 and only 42 cars are entered for the 2017
edition. And should there be a big crash in one of the qualifying races,
which now count toward the championship (which is not such a bad idea),
then drivers who would ordinarily be too uncompetitive to qualify for
the race could sneak in via finishing position in the qualifying races.
A big crash could put someone like Timmy Hill or D.J. Kennington in,
even if they're 10 MPH off the pace, because they could inherit a good
enough finishing position by simply avoiding such a wreck. This has
happened in the past, though not in recent years. (Think back to 1989 or
'92, when this situation occurred when drivers in uncompetitive cars got
in simply by avoiding the big wreck, while others in fairly good cars
failed to qualify because they were in a big wreck.) With the smallest
field of entrants in race history, this situation very well happen again.


  1436.   Scott B posted:
  02.16.2017 - 5:07 pm
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I'd say Kennington has the worst odds for qualifying, with either
Gaughan or Hill as the other DNQ depending on who ends up in qualifying
race 1 or 2.

Pretty sad that anyone has to miss this race with only 42 entered.

Anyone want to toss out an over/under on cars running at the finish with
the new rules?


  1437.   Avery Hage posted:
  02.16.2017 - 5:32 pm
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@1436

Looking at the last 10 Daytona 500s, the average number of cars running
at finish is 34.6. However, that was before the new rules, so I'd say
the over/under is probably around 25-28.


  1438.   cjs3872 posted:
  02.16.2017 - 5:50 pm
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Finishing the Daytona 500, ScottB (#1436)? With the new rules
prohibiting garage area repairs to wrecked cars, I think it could
threaten the record-low of 14, set in 1975. If I had to guess, I would
say 17-20 cars finish the Daytona 500, at most, and the same pretty much
goes for just about any plate race. And there hasn't been a Daytona 500
where fewer than 20 were running at the finish since 1985, when 40
started and only 18 finished, almost entirely due to engine problems.


  1439.   Josh posted:
  02.16.2017 - 6:23 pm
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Only 42 on the entry list is a bit of a let down if I'm being honest. BK
only brings two cars, down from four last year, FRM only brings their
two cars, down from three last year, RPM only brings one car, down from
two last year, and no Open team showed up with a past champion to try to
make the field that way.

The Duals have lost virtually all drama they once had. Only one car per
Dual advances for a position, and only two Open cars per Dual are even
racing each other.

NASCAR should just let all 42 entrants race at this point.


  1440.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.16.2017 - 6:23 pm
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My predictions to top-10 finish for 2017 Daytona 500

1 Kyle Busch
2 Brad Keselowski
3 Chase Elliott
4 Austin Dillon
5 Daniel Suaréz
6 Jaime McMurray
7 Denny Hamilin
8 Dale Earnhardt Jr.
9 Matt Kenseth
10 Michael Waltrip

Big One (at the finish)

Jimmie Johnson (Huge Rollover)
Paul Menard
Trevor Bayne
Danica Patrick
Kasey Kahne
Aric Almirola
Ryan Newman
David Ragan
Martin Truex Jr.
Joey Logano


  1441.   Tide1732 posted:
  02.16.2017 - 6:23 pm
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Gase and Whitt can faield to 500!


  1442.   Blue Palaski posted:
  02.16.2017 - 9:31 pm
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NASCAR is dying is slow death, if the biggest race of the year barely
draws enough entries for a full field (two years in a row), they have
one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.


  1443.   Mile501 posted:
  02.17.2017 - 5:33 am
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This is from a blog I did sometime last year (updated to include this
year's number):

Daytona 500 Entries:
1990 - 61
1991 - 58
1992 - 57
1993 - 54
1994 - 59
1995 - 64
1996 - 51
1997 - 52
1998 - 57
1999 - 59
2000 - 56
2001 - 52
2002 - 54
2003 - 50
2004 - 45
2005 - 57
2006 - 58
2007 - 61
2008 - 53
2009 - 56
2010 - 54
2011 - 48
2012 - 49
2013 - 45
2014 - 48
2015 - 49
2016 - 44
2017 - 42


  1444.   racefangurl posted:
  02.17.2017 - 10:18 am
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This is my last day of strictly commenting here. I'll break my forum
silence during the Clash tomorrow night.

1443, that's all the 500s I was around for, though I didn't watch every
single one. I watched car races in the late 90's, 2000 and 2011-now. My
memories include Ernie Irvan, the DieHard 500 and Dale Earnhardt and
Dale Earnhardt, Jr. being racemates and then they petered out on our
channels, until we had our TV converter boxes hooked up in fall '10,
which allowed me to watch races on TV with my dad, as long as they were
on FOX and, when they still covered it, ABC.


  1445.   JSPorts posted:
  02.17.2017 - 10:43 am
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Daytona 500 predictions:

QUALIFYING:

1st: Chase Elliott
2nd: Dale Earnhardt Jr

DUEL 1:

1st: Chase Elliott
2nd: Ryan Blaney
3rd: Kyle Busch
4th: Kurt Busch
5th: Chris Buescher
6th: Martin Truex Jr
7th: Joey Logano
8th: Michael Waltrip
9th: Matt Kenseth
10th: Clint Bowyer
DNQ: Corey LaJoie

DUEL 2:

1st: Dale Earnhardt Jr
2nd: Jimmie Johnson
3rd: Austin Dillon
4th: Kasey Kahne
5th: Brendan Gaughan
6th: Jamie McMurray
7th: Kevin Harvick
8th: Danica Patrick
9th: Denny Hamlin
10th: Kyle Larson
DNQ: D.J. Kennington

STAGE 1:

1st: Dale Earnhardt Jr
2nd: Denny Hamlin
3rd: Kyle Busch
4th: Joey Logano
5th: Martin Truex Jr
6th: Kurt Busch
7th: Jimmie Johnson
8th: Clint Bowyer
9th: Kasey Kahne
10th: Matt Kenseth

STAGE 2:

1st: Ty Dillon
2nd: Denny Hamlin
3rd: Dale Earnhardt Jr
4th: Kurt Busch
5th: Martin Truex Jr
6th: Clint Bowyer
7th: Kyle Busch
8th: Matt Kenseth
9th: Kasey Kahne
10th: Jamie McMurray

RESULTS:

1st: Dale Earnhardt Jr
2nd: Kevin Harvick
3rd: Denny Hamlin
4th: Austin Dillon
5th: Clint Bowyer
6th: Elliott Sadler
7th: Joey Logano
8th: Jimmie Johnson
9th: Reed Sorenson
10th: Ricky Stenhouse Jr
11th: Martin Truex Jr
12th: Kurt Busch
13th: Brendan Gaughan
14th: Paul Menard
15th: Kyle Busch
16th: Matt Kenseth
17th: AJ Allmendinger
18th: Michael Waltrip
19th: Ryan Newman
20th: Kasey Kahne
21st: Brad Keselowski
22nd: Michael McDowell
23rd: Aric Almirola
24th: David Ragan
25th: Cole Whitt
26th: Landon Cassill
27th: Trevor Bayne
28th: Kyle Larson
29th: Jamie McMurray
30th: Ty Dillon
31st: Danica Patrick
32nd: Ryan Blaney
33rd: Chase Elliott
34th: Chris Buescher
35th: Matt DiBenedetto
36th: Daniel Suarez
37th: Joey Gase
38th: Jeffrey Earnhardt
39th: Timmy Hill
40th: Erik Jones


  1446.   Damon posted:
  02.17.2017 - 12:43 pm
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"NASCAR is dying is slow death, if the biggest race of the year barely
draws enough entries for a full field (two years in a row), they have
one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel."



Replace NASCAR with IndyCar and they have similar issues as well,
particularly finding more entries for its showcase race.


  1447.   SMIFF TV posted:
  02.17.2017 - 1:06 pm
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"one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel"

You a Jellyfish fan, Blue Pulaski? lol


  1448.   racefangurl posted:
  02.18.2017 - 11:15 pm
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Even though the Clash was postponed, I still broke my forum silence. I
won't be home when the Clash starts, but I'll be here or on the forum
some time after lunch.


  1449.   RaceFanX posted:
  02.18.2017 - 11:54 pm
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This was ultimately the last race for the cool "name above the
windshield" decals in the Cup series. In 2017 the driver's name decals
moved to the rear window, as was always the case with them in the
Xfinity and Camping World Truck series, with the front graphic now
bearing the emblem of new series sponsor Monster Energy.


  1450.   Spen posted:
  09.19.2017 - 2:34 pm
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McDowall's top ten was the first top ten for car #59 since Donnie
Allison at North Wilkesboro in 1973 for the then start-up DiGard team.


  1451.   kup posted:
  11.02.2017 - 11:30 am
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UPS: universal points system.
Driver's UPoints = Miles / Aver.Finish
2016 UPS:
# Driver UPts = Miles / AF
1 Kevin Harvick 1355 = 13415 / 9.9
2 Joey Logano 1272 = 13358 / 10.5
3 Brad Keselowski 1186 = 13639 / 11.5
4 Kyle Busch 1160 = 13344 / 11.5
5 Denny Hamlin 1155 = 13628 / 11.8
6 Kurt Busch 1150 = 13801 / 12.0
7 Matt Kenseth 986 = 13613 / 13.8
8 Carl Edwards 976 = 13560 / 13.9
9 Jimmie Johnson 955 = 13369 / 14.0 - yep-Chase best?
10 Martin Truex, Jr. 951 = 13215 / 13.9
11 Chase Elliott 919 = 13423 / 14.6
12 Kyle Larson 918 = 13499 / 14.7


TOTAL: UPS! 16 seasons 2001-2016:
J.Gordon 5 in: 01, 04, 07, 09, 14.
K.Harvick 3 in: 10, 15, 16.
C.Edwards 2 in: 08, 11.
J.Johnson 2 in: 06, 13.
M.Martin 1 in: 02.
M.Kenseth 1 in: 03.
T.Stewart 1 in: 05.
B.Keselowski 1 in: 12.

In 16 years 8 drivers won UPS-title.
2 drivers won 8/16 years.
Mostly Chevy boyz.


  1452.   kup posted:
  11.16.2017 - 4:06 pm
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TOTAL: UPS! 68 years 1949-2016:

Dale Earnhardt 8 in: '80, '86, '87, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95.
Richard Petty 7 in: '63, '64, '67, '71, '72, '75, '79.
Jeff Gordon 6 in: '98, '01, '04, '07, '09, '14.
Lee Petty 5 in: '50, '52, '54, '58, '59.
David Pearson 4 in: '66, '68, '69, '76.

Cale Yarborough 3 in: '74, '77, '78.
Bobby Allison 3 in: '81, '82, '83.
Mark Martin 3 in: '90, '97, '02.
Kevin Harvick 3 in: '10, '15, '16.

Buck Baker 2 in: '56, '57.
Rex White 2 in: '60, '61.
Terry Labonte 2 in: '84, '96.
Carl Edwards 2 in: '08, '11.
Jimmie Johnson 2 in: '06, '13.

Bill Blair 1 in: '49.
Fonty Flock 1 in: '51.
Herb Thomas 1 in: '53.
Tim Flock 1 in: '55.
Joe Weatherly 1 in: '62.
Ned Jarrett 1 in: '65.
Bobby Isaac 1 in: '70.
Benny Parsons 1 in: '73.
Darrell Waltrip 1 in: '85.
Bill Elliott 1 in: '88.
Alan Kulwicki 1 in: '92.
Dale Jarrett 1 in: '99.
Bobby Labonte 1 in: '00.
Matt Kenseth 1 in: '03.
Tony Stewart 1 in: '05.
Brad Keselowski 1 in: '12.


  1453.   Jimmie4life posted:
  04.21.2018 - 10:23 am
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I bet people are still mad Jimmie won. In reality, Edwards deserved the
championship, considering he was the dominant car, but someone who was
NOT SPINNING, but slowing down just a LITTLE BIT, means we have to throw
the caution. And then in the Food City 500(2018), a car can spin into
the inside wall, but no caution for it. I think NASCAR's inconsistency
is causing it's downfall. It can never keep a rule straight without fans
disliking it, only for NASCAR to make it "better", when in reality, most
of the time, it ends up getting worse. NASCAR is losing financially more
money every year, and sooner or later, it's going to bite the dust.
NASCAR's gotta listen to the fans more often, if they were to actually
make the sport easier to watch. Make sure cup series drivers leave the
Xfinity and Trucks, change the All-Star race into an actual watchable
race, and make the fans actually want to come out to the racetrack by
making seating, souvenirs, and the actual enjoyment of watching a race
there live, kind of enjoyable.


  1454.   JSPorts posted:
  04.21.2018 - 10:48 am
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I definitely agree that some people are still upset Johnson won. I
think, of the final 4, Logano was probably the most deserving because he
had the most successful season. Harvick had the best year out of anyone
though, but due to this fluky format he didn't make it to Homestead.
Johnson was least-deserving out of all 4, that's for sure. I agree that
Edwards had the fastest car of the 4 contenders in the race, though, and
probably would've won the title if not for that caution.


  1455.   Mannoroth posted:
  04.21.2018 - 11:57 am
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"Make sure cup series drivers leave the Xfinity and Trucks..."

If they do it, expect the end of those series, because there won't be
enough money. It's still the same and people still don't get it... Ban
the Cup drivers completely and you will hurt those series more than you
help them.


  1456.   JSPorts posted:
  04.21.2018 - 12:02 pm
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Did you watch the races at Bristol and Richmond? The racing was the best
it's been all season without Cup guys in the field. I think that, if Cup
drivers were gradually phased out, the racing would improve and more
fans would start coming. For example, I wouldn't ever buy a ticket to an
Xfinity or Truck race if a Cup driver was in the field, but I'd be more
likely to if it was just drivers from that series. The same goes for
watching them on TV; I always watch when there aren't Cup guys, but I
sometimes don't tune in when they're in the field.


  1457.   Mannoroth posted:
  04.21.2018 - 2:01 pm
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1456. The racing at Las Vegas in Trucks was also great and Kyle Busch
was in the field. So that argument doesn't work for all cases... Plus,
better racing just can't overcome the power of money. Unfortunately,
sponsors are still the one who pull the strings. So just like some woman
from GTA Vice City said - No money, no funny, honey...


  1458.   Eric posted:
  04.21.2018 - 5:30 pm
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@1455 Then good riddance...


  1459.   Anonymous posted:
  05.14.2018 - 5:55 pm
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46(?) just needs to change 2017 to 2018 and they could be right.


  1460.   Maverick19 posted:
  11.19.2018 - 2:16 pm
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Since playoff drivers did not get any bonus points from leading laps or
winning, the following totals should be correct for the non-playoff
standings:

Joey Logano 1133
Kyle Busch 1105
Jimmie Johnson 1007
Carl Edwards 1005


  1461.   Jimmie48fan posted:
  03.03.2020 - 12:31 am
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I loved this race. Hopefully team 48 can get back to Victory Lane this
year.


  1462.   Dan posted:
  03.03.2020 - 7:31 am
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Hated this race. That 48 was so cheated up it wasn't even funny.


  1463.   SweetRich posted:
  03.03.2020 - 10:30 am
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The commentators for the race were Rick Allen, Jeff Burton and Steve
Letarte with Dave Burns, Mike Massaro, Marty Snider and Kelli Stavast on
pit road.


  1464.   CarlEdwards4Life9919 posted:
  04.09.2020 - 12:41 am
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I'll say this til the day I die, Joey did nothing wrong on the 3rd to
last restart of the race, he was going for the Championship, just like
Carl. And Edwards did what he had to do to keep from Logano passing, and
so did Joey did what he had to do to possibly win the championship. Like
Edwards I would of done the samething, let alone Logano if I was in that
situation.


  1465.   JSPorts posted:
  08.29.2020 - 2:54 pm
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NASCAR Sprint Cup Series winners (2008-2016):

1st: Jimmie Johnson, 47
2nd: Kyle Busch, 34
3rd: Denny Hamlin, 26
4th: Kevin Harvick, 24
5th: Matt Kenseth, 22
6th: Carl Edwards & Brad Keselowski, 21
8th: Joey Logano & Tony Stewart, 17
10th: Jeff Gordon, 12


  1466.   Rich posted:
  09.25.2020 - 11:30 pm
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Rick Allen, Jeff Burton and Steve Letarte were the commentators. Marty
Snider, Mike Massaro, Dave Burns and Kelli Stavast were the pit road
reporters.


  1467.   JG24Ever posted:
  10.29.2020 - 10:25 pm
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The caution for Dylan Lupton in this race was ridiculous.


  1468.   Allen posted:
  02.25.2021 - 10:30 pm
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Kasey Kahne failed to lead a lap all season.


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