|| *Comments on the 2017 Folds of Honor QuikTrip 500:* View the most recent comment <#379> | Post a comment <#post> 1. Incognito posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kevin Harvick wins his 18th career pole and his first pole in a Ford. Anyone know what happened to David Ragan during his attempt? Apparently it took him 422 seconds to complete his lap! 2. 18fan posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Ragan hit the wall. 3. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cope Returns since a DNQ in Martinsville 2011 4. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The last real Atlanta race.. Better than usual qualifying effort from the 88. Have to say I'm surprised after the switch to Ford that Harvick has this much early speed. Think Kyle is the ticket for the race. 5. chevyfan98 posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The last Atlanta race before the repave :( 6. joey2448 posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The current asphalt has been around since the track was reconfigured in prior to the 1997 fall race. With a 20-year-old surface challenging the drivers, Sunday's race will be one to cherish before they repave it. These old, worn-out surfaces always produce great racing throughout a race. Ryan Newman came up .081 seconds shy of breaking the track pole record of seven that he shares with Buddy Baker. 7. 02Justin10 posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:28 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) Danica Patrick. Got. Out Qualified. By. Matt DiBenedetto. And Go FAS Racing. Wow...only took until the 2nd week of the season for someone to really put Danica to shame. With this extra low downforce package, DiBenedetto and Patrick could be neck and neck this season for 28th place in points. 8. joey2448 posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) This race also marks the 2,500th race of NASCAR's premier series. In the previous 2,499, the Cup series has seen 186 different winners, 224 different pole winners, it's raced on 156 different tracks and has seen 2,536 different drivers make a start. 9. chevyfan98 posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DiBenedetto and GoFAS also have RPM funding this year, but even so, judging by how bad RPM was last year that's still an accomplishment. 10. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.03.2017 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Go FAS Racing qualifying 22nd is surprising. DiBenedetto is pretty good at qualifying though. 11. Pickles posted: 03.03.2017 - 8:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @7 I wonder what D10R's excuse will be for her being back in her usual rut, bad setup, oil on the track, PMS, voodoo hex? 12. LandonFandon34 posted: 03.03.2017 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #11: I wonder what his excuse will be for her qualifying slower than DiBenedetto. (Keep in mind that he even hit the wall on his qualifying lap in the 2nd round) 13. chevyfan98 posted: 03.03.2017 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica already has that one covered. "The sun was in my eyes!" 14. Mile501 posted: 03.03.2017 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I just looked back at the stats, and we should be VERY impressed with what Matt DiBenedetto did today. This is GO FAS Racing's best starting position EVER. (There is a lone exception of that weird Talladega race where they qualified in groups and Stenhouse and Allgaier failed to qualify, when the #32 started 9th with Terry Labonte.) But other than that oddity, they have NEVER had a better starting position in the team's entire existence. Furthermore, their best starting position last year on a 1.5-mile track was--get this--38th, out of either 39 or 40 cars total. They never started better than 38th on a cookie-cutter track in 2016. Also, of note: Their best starting position at any race in 2016 was 26th, so DiBenedetto had already beaten that last week (he started 25th)...not to mention the fact that he scored the team's first-ever top-10 finish. So even though we're only at race #2, and expectations must still be kept realistic for this little team, they are off to a great start compared to all of their not-so-impressive history! 15. WarriorMan48 posted: 03.03.2017 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Newman looked like the Ryan Newman of old on his last qualifying lap. And how about Stenhouse in 4th? Should be a really interesting race Sunday, with guys up front who aren't usually there, and guys like Kurt Busch, Blaney, Johnson, Bowyer and even Kahne starting further back. 16. Danica10Racer posted: 03.03.2017 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (6) Funny that a Corn on the Cobb lover brings up getting beat by anyone. She had a bad lap in the 2nd round, it happens. She outqualified Bowyer. You guys just choose to bring up the negatives. She's in good shape going into Sunday. 17. Damon posted: 03.03.2017 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keep worrying about Danica's qualifying, but what happened to Clint Bowyer? 25th? 18. 02Justin10 posted: 03.03.2017 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is that all you got Danica10Racer? By the way, she was in the 20s in practice too...the more NASCAR strips away the downforce, the further back Danica drops in the field. Too bad Daytona/Talladega are not on the schedule each week for Danica to have her joyrides. 19. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.03.2017 - 9:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @17 It's just qualifying, he'll be better in the race. But I don't think he'll be great even in this equipment, he's always been a poor mans Labonte, pretty consistent but never spectacular. 20. Damon posted: 03.03.2017 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 15, Stenhouse qualified fifth at Atlanta last year and has won a pole, too, so no surprise there, but can he stay in the top 10 come Sunday? I say yes. 21. Danica10Racer posted: 03.03.2017 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Ricky is definitely the sleeper driver to win a race this year. He has always been good at Bristol and if Roush made an addition by subtraction move this year, he likely will have a chance at 2-4 races to get that first win at this year. 22. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.03.2017 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @21 Now I might actually agree with this.. Definitely think he's a bigger threat than Bayne, but it will depend on if Roush can finally get their legs underneath them. They have without a doubt had the biggest collapse of any major team in recent memory. 23. Seibaru posted: 03.03.2017 - 10:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @21 IT'S A MIRACLE! A STATEMENT I AGREE WITH! ...Shaman pretty much said it all. If Roush can plant their feet on the ground, I think Stenhouse may be able to win something this year. Speaking of Roush, Cousin Carl is at the track this weekend, and he has a spare driver's suit on standby...for some reason. Uh, Carl, you wanted to scale back and be with your family. Go home and be with them, and we'll see you when NASCAR rolls into Kansas. Honestly, I also don't find Jo Cobb very good, and I SURE AS HELL don't get JCM's obsession with her. She's also getting in on her years, so who knows how much longer she has. Dominique, on the other hand... ...SOMEONE GIVE DOMINIQUE A RIDE, PLEASE! ANYONE!...Cept Obaika. They're the Team M-Pire of NASCAR (thumbs up if you get that reference). 24. The Great Dave posted: 03.03.2017 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @23 yes and that reference is way to obsucre for anyone here. :P Also Tylor did you read that article thats been floating around that one of Carl Long's crewmembers wrote bout Obaika? 25. Tyson posted: 03.03.2017 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @24 - Dave, is that the article on Rubbin Racin or whatever the forum is called? If so, I read that today. Very interesting... I don't think Obaika will even make it is far as Charlotte in May. That's the longest I give them. 26. Seibaru posted: 03.04.2017 - 12:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @24 I dunno. Lucstar prolly gets it. I just did. I'm...utterly speechless. I got nothing. Nothing whatsoever. 27. racefangurl posted: 03.04.2017 - 1:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess there's some hope for Roush yet. They need to come out of this slump, so people won't hate on the drivers. 28. Scott B posted: 03.04.2017 - 2:28 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Harvick to Danica qualifying differential = 7.693 mph. I'm just going to take this opportunity to mention Alex Bowman winning the pole in race #35 of 2016. 29. AutoRockinRacing94 posted: 03.04.2017 - 2:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) First race with less than 40 cars since Fontana last year 30. An Aussie Commentator posted: 03.04.2017 - 7:16 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Anyone know what happened to David Ragan during his attempt? Apparently it took him 422 seconds to complete his lap!" Crashed. That's why it took him 7 minutes to complete a lap. 31. Red Rider posted: 03.04.2017 - 7:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Anyone know what happened to David Ragan during his attempt? Apparently it took him 422 seconds to complete his lap! -I think he ran it on foot, since his car wasn't out of inspection in time to make a qualifying run. Pretty impressive.. 422 seconds running around Atlanta, Go David Go!! 32. Thomas posted: 03.04.2017 - 7:16 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) This may be an unpopular opinion, but if you can't get through qualifying inspection to make a qualifying attempt, you should be sent home...even if you're a charter team. 33. Lucstar88 posted: 03.04.2017 - 9:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @26 That brings back memories. 34. 1995z71 posted: 03.04.2017 - 11:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @32 I would agree with you but NASCAR can't even get a full field so no. 35. Tyson posted: 03.04.2017 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) @32 - That would totally defeat the purpose of the charter system. 36. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 03.04.2017 - 11:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Matt Kenseth is looking for his first Atlanta win. One of the five tracks he hasn't won at, others are (Martinsville, Sonoma, Watkins Glen, and Indy) Kenseth will be the only Nascar driver to ever win at Kentucky and Rockingham 37. LandonFandon34 posted: 03.04.2017 - 11:55 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer missed being in the top 24 by .001 seconds, D10R and Damon, so... Don't worry, Bowyer will finish way ahead of her on Sunday, so don't get your hopes up too high. 38. Maverick19 posted: 03.04.2017 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought that SHR's move to Ford would be a detriment to the team, but I've looked wrong so far, as Kurt won the 500 and now Harvick has the pole. 39. Ultimate Warrior #18 posted: 03.04.2017 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think this group of Ford teams in 2017 could be as strong as the flock of fords from 98 if SHR, Penske, Roush, Wood Brothers, Front Row and RPM all get together and share open notes they could potentially put up big win numbers by far they look like best manufacture so far this year. 40. Altracing posted: 03.05.2017 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know this is a bit of a long shot but I'm gonna go with Newman today. He's been in the top six for all his practices and he had the best ten lap average of everyone during final practice. 41. Damon posted: 03.05.2017 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 40, I'll take Chase Elliott 42. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 2:24 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) @40 Chase is a good bet because he is the "hometown boy" and NASCAR would like him to win. I'm thinking top 20 maybe a top 15 from Danica today. Won't have a ton of speed early but will pick up a lot as the race goes on. 43. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 2:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Love the crowd here today. Not a sellout but it the place looks packed. 44. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) Danica up 4 spots since the start of the race. She's charging to the front. Doing much better than Bowyer. 45. stewart14rocks posted: 03.05.2017 - 2:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) stenhouse up to 2nd 46. Altracing posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kenseth and Junior too fast on pit road 47. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Come to find Jr's had a penalty and is already finished.. 48. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Danica up to 18th. She's going to be in the top 15 in the near future. Running good lap times. 49. chevyfan98 posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Come to find Jr's had a penalty and is already finished.." Didn't realize the penalty for speeding on pit road now means you have to retire from the race. With rules like the free pass and wave around there's probably a 95% chance he ends up back on the lead lap at some point. 50. Ultimate Warrior #18 posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nice to see both Roush cars in the top 10 so far 51. Ultimate Warrior #18 posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Where have all the loyal posters gone 52. stewart14rocks posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @51 probably to the forums 53. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @49 Sorry, just not much going right in my life right now and not feeling very optimistic. 54. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Danica passes Kyle Busch. Only two spots away from the top 15. So much for Danica is going to run near the back all day. 55. Altracing posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior just blew a right rear 56. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NOW he's done. 57. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @51 Most are posting on the boards now. I respect Long Shot and what he's doing but I do wish a few more people had stuck around here. And I apologize for my crabbiness today, as I posted at the end of last season things in my life were bad and they have continued so far this year. My mom just found out she has a very serious and debilitating energy draining disease, so I'm not feeling very positive right now. 58. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Great move by Harvick to not pass Danica and make her not have an opportunity to pick up track position during the caution. What a good teammate. 59. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @54 relax cochise it's still early. She has plenty of time to get back to her usual position. And that really shows just how pathetic she is, most fans get excited when their driver challenges for wins or top 5's, while in your mind her being in the top 15 = she the best. Freaking pa-the-tic! 60. Anonymous posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Poor Dale Jr's 2017 is gonna make his 2009 look like his 2004. I hate it for him because he's a great guy and one of the best drivers in the sport in recent years but he's woefully washed up now and needs to retire at the end of the season. He won't win, let alone get a top-10 this year, and will likely end up around 28th-30th in points. I love watching him race but he needs to bow out gracefully. It was an honorable thing trying to keep driving but he's doing himself a disservice and needlessly engaging in this dangerous sport. It's addicting as hell for a driver but in his case he deserves a great post-driving career. Hang up the helmet and enjoy life. 61. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gotta love Harvick slowing his pace 2 seconds to keep Danica on the lead lap..... Hey NASCAR wanna make this race interesting, how about you park Harvick for not following the 100% rule lol. 62. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "My mom just found out she has a very serious and debilitating energy draining disease, so I'm not feeling very positive right now." That's awful. My condolences. Harvick wins the stage in dominating fashion. 63. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick was behind Danica for the last 10 laps of the first segment but she did a great job holding him off to stay on the lead lap! /sarcasm Harvick looked so far off the pace after he slowed down to let Danica stay on the lead lap. 64. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) If Harvick passed Danica, she would still be on the lead lap because of the lucky dog. You guys should be happy another driver gets that chance. 65. rwr posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cole Whitt is near to the top20, not bad. 66. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Idk guys, it's maybe like teammates are supposed to help each other out. 67. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "If Harvick passed Danica, she would still be on the lead lap because of the lucky dog." Unless he had also passed someone else after he passed Danica. 68. chevyfan98 posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sorry to hear about that, hope you and your mom can pull through. 69. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Thank you David I truly appreciate it. She'll still be able to make it and hopefully have a decent quality of life half the time, but we're all going to have to make an adjustment. On a racing note, despite being in a new make this looks very much like the last 3 years for Harvick. Wonder how he'll finish 2nd this time.. 70. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And thank you too chevyfan. 71. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick is doing great which means more than likely he'll finish second. 72. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Thank you David I truly appreciate it. She'll still be able to make it and hopefully have a decent quality of life half the time, but we're all going to have to make an adjustment." That's good. I can understand wanting an escape from these troubles, so I don't mind if you're a little down today. 73. racefangurl posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 71, maybe he'll be 2nd to Ricky or Chase. They're my dark horse picks to win. 74. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just wondering, is there any rule that stops a driver with a pit stall before the start/finish line from pitting on the last lap of a segment, then staying out during the caution to take the lead? 75. Not Sure posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The segments are a plus for the restrictor plate tracks, but they're nothing but scheduled cautions with points handed out everywhere else. It will not lead to better racing naturally. Look for more fishy "Jacques Debris" style cautions with 10 or so laps remaining in the segments going forward. Once it becomes obvious that's what they're doing they'll formalize it in the off-season and call it the 10 lap warning, yet another copy of the stick-and-ball sports. 76. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Appreciate it David.And thanks for still hanging around with us here on the mothership! 77. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Just wondering, is there any rule that stops a driver with a pit stall before the start/finish line from pitting on the last lap of a segment, then staying out during the caution to take the lead?" Pit road is closed for the last two laps of a stage, but Daniel Suárez did the next best thing and pit with three laps remaining in Stage 1. 78. Taylor posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) $74 Yes they close pit road with two laps to go in the stage 79. Taylor posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) $74 Yes they close pit road with two laps to go in the stage 80. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 3:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And thanks for still hanging around with us here on the mothership!" No problem. I've been posting on the forums mostly, which is ironic considering that I didn't particularly support the idea of them in the first place. But as long as there's still a few people here during the races, I might as well pop in and make a few comments every now and then. 81. Altracing posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Logano too fast entering pit road 82. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cody Ware's cup debut not going very well. That car seems to severely underpowered 83. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @77,78: Thanks. I could have Googled that but I figured I'd probably get an answer quicker here and I did. 84. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I might be in the minority here, but this race has not been that good. I don't mind long green runs, but when there isn't a ton of close racing, it's like watching Kyle Busch lead every lap in an Xfinity race. 85. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @82: Don't know why his car would be any more underpowered than Sorenson's and Sorenson is actually beating several drivers. Cody Ware is a big part of the problem there. 86. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Erik Jones having a good run. Makes me regret that I replaced him on my DraftKings lineup. 87. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @84 Yeah, this race has been a dud. It's just watching Harvick run practice laps 88. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If your expecting a lot of lead changes on a 1.5 mile track. It's the wrong mindset. The tire management and strategy has been pretty entertaining for me personally so far. I'm not tuning out anytime soon. 89. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @85. You're probably right about Cody. Sorensons 15 is running very well considering its a low tier car. Maybe Jay Robinson has figured out putting money back into your team equals better performance. 90. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yet another example of why Chad Knaus is overrated as a strategist: he left Johnson out there way too long so he went from 6th or 7th prior to the pit cycle to a lap down in 17th with little hope of getting back on the lead lap. 91. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (7) Danica still running strong inside the top 20. Leaning on the door of the top 15. 92. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Pretty sure the 48 had a speeding penalty, nothing Knaus related. 93. Not Sure posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @84: The racing will be even better in 2018 when NASCAR introduces the 10 lap warning for every segment. 94. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't know anything about a penalty, but I do know that Johnson lost a ton of time by running on older tires for lap after lap. Short pitting is absolutely the way to go during segments 1 and 2. 95. stewart14rocks posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) on a minor note good to see frm running 21st and 26th 96. racefangurl posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Not a huge fan of this. I don't like Harvick, not one little bit. 97. Anonymous posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Harvick will blow it somehow. Chase will win. Junior will finish about 27th unless he wrecks. Danica will finish 15th. Let's see how right or wrong I am... 98. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Danica in 15th. If she can get a caution and get to 14th, she can get the lucky dog and pursue a top 10 finish. 99. JeffGordon24FanForever posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) RPM don't look much better this year. 100. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If NASCAR does not make Danica come into the pits soon then they are obviously playing favorites. They make drivers come in for less all the time. 101. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @100 Lol, that string is not harming anyone. 102. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Lol, that string is not harming anyone." String? It's a piece of air-house moron 103. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) *hose 104. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.05.2017 - 4:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Somebody needs to put JWT or Coach Glanville back in a car. Those two were always guaranteed cautions 105. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) All these speeding penalties will shuffle up the field. 106. stewart14rocks posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) bowyer running top 10 while danica hasn't even cracked the top 15 yet. 107. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bowyer is now 3rd. Great run. Gonna have to shortpit the 4 to win the race. 108. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson may be in a position to give Harvick a run for his money by the end of this race... and let's hope so because no one's even been close so far. 109. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Debris. 110. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's always a debris caution 111. Jacques Debris posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why's everybody always pickin' on me? 112. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 47 to the garage, so it may of been from AJ's car. 113. Brian France posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Jacques we appreciate you very much. 114. Aaron posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I knew Dale Jr. would probably struggle some this season but I had no idea he'd struggle THIS bad. Gonna be a long, long year... 115. Altracing posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gaulding just blew a motor 116. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here comes the Harvick choke. 117. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick will be on the outside, this could be good. 118. Aaron posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why does my post get that many thumbs-downs? 119. chevyfan98 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right, because two races is certainly an indication of how the entire season is going to go. I swear Junior fans have to be some of the most pessimistic people on this planet. 120. Aaron posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Right, because two races is certainly an indication of how the entire season is going to go. I swear Junior fans have to be some of the most pessimistic people on this planet." I mean when you take into account age, injury history, worse performance with lower downforce, a middling crew chief and the worst luck in the garage week-in and week-out, I don't think that's as much pessimism as it is realism. At some point, a bunch of coincidences simply become a trend and his finishing poorly is an ongoing trend. I fail to see any logical fallacy there. 121. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Surprised I am so happy to see a rookie blow a motor. 122. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hamlin back to the hauler. I think he's quiting 123. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The 2 will gave to pit for a tire issue, lugnut? 124. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Welp nevermind. Keselowski's crew blew it. 125. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I swear Junior fans have to be some of the most pessimistic people on this planet." You mean other Junior fans, am I right? ;) 126. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I swear Junior fans have to be some of the most pessimistic people on this planet." I feel the people on here who make them OMG Jr is gonna be sooooo bad this year posts are just trolling and not real fans of his lol. 127. Vince posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The pit stop speed penalty and tire issue put Junior multiples laps very early in the race. And the 88 team seems to still have a lot of tires problems, he already made 3 greens flag stops on this 3rd segment, with less than 20 laps on his tires. I don't think any conclusion can be made from that race on how good or bad will race Junior this year 128. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Look on the bright side, Junior fans: at least he's not the lowest-running Earnhardt in this race! ;) 129. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The pit stop speed penalty and tire issue put Junior multiples laps very early in the race. And the 88 team seems to still have a lot of tires problems, he already made 3 greens flag stops on this 3rd segment, with less than 20 laps on his tires." I really think Ives has blown the strategy calling trying to get him back on the lead lap. One of the pit stops was because they took the wave around at the end of segment 2. Then it seemed he pit with the leaders because he knew they weren't gonna get a wave around because no one was bring out the yellow so he just called Jr in so they wouldn't loose more laps. 130. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Erik Jones running Bowyer up into the wall after the restart caused Bowyer's tire to go flat. Sucks as he was having a great run. 131. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (8) Alright Danica, time to get that lucky dog and get back on the lead lap 132. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 5:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 14 got told the 78 got into the 77. 133. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Alright Danica, time to get that lucky dog and get back on the lead lap" While she's the 5th car 1 lap down? Freaking moron 134. chevyfan98 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nice to see Danica duking it out with the Front Row cars for 20th place. 135. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Newman is never going to win another Cup race. Bold prediction. 136. Vince posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually no Junior also did pit at the end of segment 2, he never took the wave around until those last two cautions 137. stewart14rocks posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) newman going behind the wall 138. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To that point, I'm not sure why so many of the 1 lap down teams didn't stay out and take the wave around last caution... 139. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Danica won't win a cup race. Bold prediction. 140. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) What about Suarez? Getting outrun by the Front Row Cars, embarrassing. 141. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You do know that Suarez is a rookie, right? 142. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) What about Danica? 4 full years in cup and still no top 5. Embarrassing. 143. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @136 Could have sworn he did. Thought he was three laps down at the end of that segment then was only 2 at the start of the third. 144. chevyfan98 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "What about Suarez? Getting outrun by the Front Row Cars, embarrassing." Didn't your driver famously bitch about David Gilliland, in a Front Row car, racing her too hard a few years ago? For position? 145. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Can't compare because.... SUAREZ IS IN HIS SECOND EVER CUP RACE! 146. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sucks for Dillon, he had a great run going. 147. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dillon and his crew should be parked and fined for staying on the track. 148. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 149. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's the Harvick choke. 150. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Unless misfortune falls, looks like Danica can't fall below 19th. 151. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) New make, but same result for Kevin. 152. Jason Gilstrap posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Epic choke! 153. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Poor Harvick. I wish he got rewarded for being a good teammate the whole race to Kurt and Danica but it looks like not. 154. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 48 held a lap for pitting during a wavearound. 155. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kevin could charge back and still contend, but we really haven't had any chances to see how his car behaves in traffic. Would be awesome to see Chase win at his family's home track. 156. Anonymous posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) What did I say earlier? Harvick would choke? Yep... Gimme a thumbs down! 157. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson using the high line is going to kill him 158. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson probably blew that. No reason to stay high... 159. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Danica gets by Blaney for a position, looks like that might be her last pass. 160. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson blows the damn race again. 161. Incognito posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Not often we get to see two choke jobs in the same race. 162. Brian France posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another Atlanta choke 163. Lucstar88 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How many times has Kyle Larson been in a position to win, and hasn't. Man I've lost count. 164. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Didn't watch much after lap 80, but from what I did see it was just a practice session for Kevin until he choked. Then Brad was in the right spot to take advantage. 165. chevyfan98 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson has now given up the final lead change in the last three cup races, going back to Homestead last year. 166. 1995z71 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Larson did a great job of not winning 167. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harv choked, I got excited. Larson choked, Kes won. I'm disappointed. 168. Jason Gilstrap posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Thanks a lot Harvick. You screwed up the first race in over a year I tuned in to watch the end of, and you let Keselowski win. Dick. This was the Atlanta Falcons 500, pure domination, epic fail in the end. After all of Harvick's griping when the crew messes up, let's see if he tears himself a new one. Dick. And why the hell did Larson go high? 169. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Poor Harvick. I wish he got rewarded for being a good teammate the whole race to Kurt and Danica but it looks like not." If anything that's Karma for not going 100% and letting them stay on the lead lap lol 170. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I cannot believe Larson switched lines when the bottom was working so well for him he was pulling away. I am a Larson fan, but moves like that make me question why? 171. Vince posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick points leader despite a 22nd and 9th finishes... 172. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Pretty happy with a 17th after a fairly strong run. 173. Anonymous posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Nice smooth top-30 for the 88 bunch. A little luck and they'll pass Michael Waltrip in points before the month is out. 174. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) Sucks for Harvick but Danica gets a LLF, top 20 and had a overall good run today. Pretty happy about that. 175. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Biggest chokers in Cup (in no particular order): Kevin Harvick Kyle Larson Martin Truex Kyle Busch Jeff Gordon 176. 02Justin10 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Once again (to no surprise) Danica Patrick is the Weakest Link in the Stewart-Haas Racing organization. One day they will learn that almost anybody else in the garage can do better in that car. Congrats to Keselowski though! Shame for Harvick, but sometimes that's the way it goes. 177. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Are you back to watching full-time Jason? 178. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) 2 Top 20 finishes for Cole Whitt and Tri-Star to start the season. 179. LMAO posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HA HA HA HA - Harvick screws himself on pit road - too funny. 180. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (1) (7) Danica is ahead of the following drivers in the points: Both Dillons Kyle Busch Dale Jr. Jimmie Johnson "The next big things" Erik Jones and Daniel Suarez. 181. Eric posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, this was memorable ending if this is the final race at the track. Having 2 drivers doing choke jobs is something that I didn't expect. 182. Aaron posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Jason don't watch full-time! The years you took off were Junior's best in forever and whenever you follow the races it seemed he's a perennial back marker 183. 02Justin10 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) We are only two races in...but if Danica's points position is all D10R has to celebrate then good for him! And besides, odds are that Johnson, Junior, and Ky. Busch will win a race and then make the playoffs. Austin Dillon will make the playoffs either by points or winning (I mean...judging off of today, the #3 team and #31 team has speed. Something Danica lacks) After 26 races Danica will be in her usual 24th-26th place in standings. 184. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Haha Aaron so true. It is pretty funny that when he started posting here originally he stopped winning and then when he basically stopped following he got 7 wins lol. 185. Aaron posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's so true indeed! Now he's back and Junior can't get a top-20 if only 15 cars raced. But if he doesn't watch... 186. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) Ah Justin, I see you are trying to antagonize me now. Little mad since I criticized your precious JJC? 187. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:40 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @180 It's two races in you idiot, if she's still ahead of them at the end of the season then you can gloat, but after two freaking races? How big of a fanboy are you. Also she proved again why she is such a hot commodity: being the last car on the leap lap or last car 1 lap down almost all race. 188. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Well, this was memorable ending if this is the final race at the track. Having 2 drivers doing choke jobs is something that I didn't expect." Atlanta isn't going anywhere. 189. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kasey Kahne get his 9th top 10 in the last 14 races dating back to last year. With Jr talking about retirement more and more I'm beginning to think it isn't such a slam dunk that Kahne will be out of the 5 car after 2018 like a lot of people think. 190. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jason don't watch full-time! The years you took off were Junior's best in forever and whenever you follow the races it seemed he's a perennial back marker" Except that he didn't watch in 2016 and did watch in 2012 and 2013, so that theory is sort of out the window. 191. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Atlanta isn't going anywhere." The same was thought about North Wilkesboro in 1995. You never know. 192. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Atlanta isn't going anywhere." With Vegas likely getting a second date I felt there was a chance depending on the crowd size that it could come from Atlanta. Luckily, unlike Rockingham the fans actually showed up today. If the place was only half full today Atlanta very well could have been in trouble. 193. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "With Vegas likely getting a second date I felt there was a chance depending on the crowd size that it could come from Atlanta. Luckily, unlike Rockingham the fans actually showed up today. If the place was only half full today Atlanta very well could have been in trouble." Did a ton of Jr. fans leave? Because when I watched at the end the stands didn't look completely full. 194. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The same was thought about North Wilkesboro in 1995. You never know." Atlanta has a sanctioning agreement until 2020. 195. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree that Danica is more talented than Josh Wise. 196. JSPorts posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok so Danica is in front of some people 2 races in. Last year, Aric Almirola was ahead of Keselowski, Kenseth, Larson, Earnhardt, McMurray, Chase Elliott & Ryan Blaney. Guess what? It doesn't matter. Something more important is how you perform versus your teammates. She was the lowest-finishing SHR car at Daytona, and she was the lowest-finishing SHR car at Atlanta. I would almost feel bad for you for being so delusional if you didn't vomit all your bs on this website. 197. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @187 At least she didn't choke away a gifted win. 198. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Pretty happy with a 17th after a fairly strong run." If that's a good run, then I guess that's how low the standards are. 199. JSPorts posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @197 you have to actually be leading to have the chance to choke a race away! Harvick literally led 5 times more laps in this race than Danica has in her entire career. 200. murb posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Atlanta has a sanctioning agreement until 2020." Exactly, and if there is a second Vegas race this is why it's likely to come from one of the other SMI tracks that currently has two races (Texas, New Hampshire, Charlotte, etc). 201. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @198 No not really. She ran about 15th the whole race. That's a pretty good run. 202. Anonymous posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) i love following the slow and painful downfall of what was once a proper motorsport 203. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 6:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @201 4 years in championship winning equipment and 15th is good. I thought Jr. fans were bad, but they look like angels compared to Danica's. 204. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "No not really. She ran about 15th the whole race. That's a pretty good run." Considering the equipment she's in and the stock car experience she has, no...no it wasn't. Last week was a good run, this was just a typical race for her - survival. 205. UbiSoft posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @201 COMPARED TO YOU, I'M LIKE A SAINT! 206. JSPorts posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @195, actually she isn't. And that's not really a debatable statement, they spent 2 years sharing a ride. Wise's results were better, even though he ran on far less funding. Josh Wise: 23 starts, 0 wins, 1 top 5, 5 top 10s, 0 DNFs, 16.6 avg. start, 14.0 avg. finish, 13 laps led Danica Patrick: 25 starts, 0 wins, 1 top 5, 3 top 10s, 5 DNFs, 22.7 avg. start, 22.9 avg. finish, 18 laps led Danica had 2 more starts, yet had 2 fewer top 10s, 5 more DNFs, and her average start was 6.1 positions worse while her average finish was 8.9 positions worse. The only place she beat him was that she led 5 more laps than he did. 207. chevyfan98 posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jason don't watch full-time! The years you took off were Junior's best in forever and whenever you follow the races it seemed he's a perennial back marker" Its silly to even suggest that one person's viewership is the reason for how a certain driver performs. If you are watching again Jason, welcome back! "At least she didn't choke away a gifted win." At least Harvick was actually in position to win, something that Danica has only done one time in her cup series career, and in that race she fell from third to eighth on the final lap. You know which race I'm talking about. I like Larson a lot, and he's probably going to soon end up being my second favorite driver behind Chase Elliott, but in my opinion his choke was even worse than Harvick. At least Harvick didn't give up the lead on the track in a race that saw zero green flag lead changes (not including green flag pit stops) other than Larson's choke (though that may be skewed by how dominant Harvick was). At least Harvick didn't look like he was TRYING to lose, like Larson did. To find the last time a driver just completely gave up the win on the track under green, not counting fuel mileage races, I'd have to go all the way back to Mark Martin and Tony Stewart in the final laps of the 2007 and 2008 Daytona 500s. 208. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Derrike Cope finished a cup race for the first time since 2006 209. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:08 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) "Funny that a Corn on the Cobb lover brings up getting beat by anyone. She had a bad lap in the 2nd round, it happens. She outqualified Bowyer. You guys just choose to bring up the negatives. She's in good shape going into Sunday." "What about Suarez? Getting outrun by the Front Row Cars, embarrassing." "Danica is ahead of the following drivers in the points: Both Dillons Kyle Busch Dale Jr. Jimmie Johnson "The next big things" Erik Jones and Daniel Suarez." "At least she didn't choke away a gifted win." "I agree that Danica is more talented than Josh Wise." Textbook examples of deflection and cherry-picking. 210. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Not sure about the point system yet...Harvick is the points leader with a best finish of 9th. I feel like he will own everyone in the points all year because of winning a ton of stages, whether or not he actually makes it to the finish that way. 211. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "At least Harvick didn't give up the lead on the track in a race that saw zero green flag lead changes" Yeah, but he sped entering pit road under caution, which is a silly and completely avoidable mistake. Larson might have been passed by Keselowski anyway. 212. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wise could close the '40 field' Will need more Josh Wises. Only bad'faster' possibly. 213. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, to do a what if, does anyone mind if I post the 2016 points system for 2017 after every race? 214. JSPorts posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @213 I would like to see that, yes. 215. Danica's Yoga Mat posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 4th straight year that Harvick leads the most laps at Atlanta and loses. 216. JSPorts posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick used to be called "The Closer" back when he was with RCR, because he would win races after running father back all day and would lead very few laps. Since he's come to SHR, he's been the exact opposite. He runs up front a lot, but he's choked so many races away in the past 3+ years. Of course, some can be attributed to his team & mechanical failures, but it's just interesting to me how big the difference is. I still think he's definitely better of now than he was 4 years ago. 217. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) On the flip side, you can look at it as he's losing the races he deserved to win to make up for all the races he won that he didn't deserve to win. 218. 1995z71 posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Cole Whitt has back-to-back Top 20s to start 2017 off. 219. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Not sure about the point system yet...Harvick is the points leader with a best finish of 9th. I feel like he will own everyone in the points all year because of winning a ton of stages, whether or not he actually makes it to the finish that way." The points are always a bit strange at the beginning of the year...but you're right; it doesn't seem like he should be leading, given his finishes. But I think that the lack of wins (if he doesn't win in the next few weeks) will eventually catch up to him. 220. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Corey LaJoe is a possibly next Andy Houston? Stupid season. 221. Damon posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Not sure about the point system yet...Harvick is the points leader with a best finish of 9th." I like it because it rewards drivers for performance all race 222. murb posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "At least Harvick didn't look like he was TRYING to lose, like Larson did." I thought Larson explained what he was doing in his interview pretty well. He said earlier on in the race (I guess it was during that last long run before the Dillon caution), Brad kept blowing by him on the outside, so in his mind staying on the outside was a defensive move AGAINST Brad. Obviously it ended up being the wrong move, but come on. He looked like he was "TRYING to lose" by being in the wrong lane? I think Brad had inarguably the second best car in the last half of the race (to Harvick) anyway, and I think he probably still would have won anyway had Larson stayed on the bottom. Can't believe how much people are turning this into a Larson choke job circle jerk. Harvick was hands down the big choker in this race if we have to give that "award" out (and to Harvick's credit, he owned up to it in his interview). 223. JSPorts posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't like it because it doesn't require a driver to put together a complete race to get points. That would be like the NFL awarding a half-victory to the team that's leading the game at halftime. 224. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Woman drivers in motorsports need more Respect. A Two important F1 Drivers: Maria Teresa di Filipis and Lella Lombardi. A Indy winner (Danica) A ARCA runner-up driver (another top 10s) A Rally winner. A great endurance driver. More? 225. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't like it because it doesn't require a driver to put together a complete race to get points." You make it sound like any given driver wins the first two segments and just decides to pack it up and go home. I don't think drivers are trying any less harder to win since this format was implemented. "That would be like the NFL awarding a half-victory to the team that's leading the game at halftime." I thought our whole point was that NASCAR isn't like stick-and-ball sports... 226. Jolly Mean Giant posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Danica is ahead of the following drivers in the points: Both Dillons Kyle Busch Dale Jr. Jimmie Johnson "The next big things" Erik Jones and Daniel Suarez." Obviously this is a sign that we need to shut up, bow down to Danica's ridiculously amazing talent, and accept that she is INSANELY good in NASCAR. Because her being ahead of these drivers a whopping 1/18th of a way through a season is a surefire sign she's got more talent in her pinky finger than the rest of the field does in their whole bodies. Let us never again question the infinite wisdom of Danica10Racer, the Model Citizen and Smartest, Most Rational-Minded Person Ever to Grace Racing-Reference. (Because he pretty much came out and said he thinks that about himself recently.) All hail our new Danica overlord... 227. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @219 Agreed, but it's still a little wonky. By the way David, I'm sorry about what I said to you the other day, I was a little frustrated and having a bad day but that still does not excuse my actions. I offer you my sincerest apology. 228. 1995z71 posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:42 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Cole Whitt is ahead of the following drivers in the points: Both Dillons Kyle Busch Dale Jr. Jimmie Johnson "The next big things" Erik Jones and Daniel Suarez." Obviously this is a sign that we need to shut up, bow down to Whitt's ridiculously amazing talent, and accept that he is INSANELY good in NASCAR. Because he is being ahead of these drivers a whopping 1/18th of a way through a season is a surefire sign he's got more talent in his pinky finger than the rest of the field does in their whole bodies. Let us never again question the infinite wisdom of Whitt72Racer, the Model Citizen and Smartest, Most Rational-Minded Person Ever to Grace Racing-Reference. (Because he pretty much came out and said he thinks that about himself recently.) All hail our new Cole Whitt overlord... 229. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "All hail our new Cole Whitt overlord..." Almost pissed my pants! 230. David posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "By the way David, I'm sorry about what I said to you the other day, I was a little frustrated and having a bad day but that still does not excuse my actions. I offer you my sincerest apology." Your apology is accepted, and I forgive you. :) Have you been on R-R for a while, posting under different names, or are you new here? Either way, it's good to see a new name posting here regularly. 231. Danica10Racer posted: 03.05.2017 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) @228 Hey now, Cole Whitt is having a nice little run this season. He's a good field filler driver. 232. Pickles posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Have you been on R-R for a while, posting under different names, or are you new here? Either way, it's good to see a new name posting here regularly." I'm kind of in the transition phase, I just feel it's time for a new handle. I do post under Blue Palaski from time to time just to ease the transition; similar to what Tylor Thaber/Seibaru does (he actually got me thinking about a name change) 233. BMan0213 posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @193 Maybe. It wasn't a sell out but if you go back and look at the start of the race that was the most filled Atlanta has been in years. @194 By the sound of it that isn't quite how that 5 year agreement works. It sounds like it only protects a track of NASCAR dropping them. So if SMI wanted to move dates around they still could, but after today I highly doubt that is what's gonna happen. 234. LandonFandon34 posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Apparently A.J. Allmendinger is facing some serious penalties. According to Bob Pockrass on Twitter, he faces a 35 point penalty and his crew chief Randall Burnett faces a 3 race suspension and a fine of $65,000 for leaving 3 lug nuts off the car at the end of the race. The 35 point penalty would drop Allmendinger from 11th to 35th in the points. 235. JSPorts posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @231 he is a great field-filler, just like Danica! 236. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Sprint Cup Series Points Race 2: Atlanta 1. Kurt Busch- 78 2. Kasey Kahne- 72 (-6) 3. Joey Logano- 71 (-7) 4. Kyle Larson- 70 (-8) 5. Chase Elliott- 64 (-14) 6. Ryan Blaney- 63 (-15) 7. Martin Truex, Jr.- 62 (-16) 8. Trevor Bayne- 60 (-18) 9. Brad Keselowski- 59 (-19) 10. Kevin Harvick- 55 (-23) 11. A.J. Allmendinger- 54 (-24) 12. Aric Almirola- 52 (-26) 12. Paul Menard- 52 (-26) 14. Matt DiBenedetto- 45 (-33) 14. Jamie McMurray- 45 (-33) 14. Cole Whitt- 45 (-33) 17. Landon Cassill- 44 (-34) 18. Matt Menseth- 39 (-39) 18. Clint Bowyer- 39 (-39) 20. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.- 38 (-40) 20. Michael McDowell- 38 (-40) 22. Ty Dillon- 37 (-41) 23. David Ragan- 34 (-44) 24. Michael Waltrip- 33 (-45) 25. Austin Dillon- 32 (-46) 25. Danica Patrick- 32 (-46) 25. Daniel Suarez- 32 (-46) 28. Jimmie Johnson- 31 (-47) 29. Brendan Gaughan- 30 (-48) 30. Erik Jones- 29 (-49) 30. Kyle Busch- 29 (-49) 32. Denny Hamlin- 27 (-51) 32. Ryan Newman- 27 (-51) 34. Corey LaJoie- 24 (-54) 35. Jeffrey Earnhardt- 23 (-55) 35. Chris Buescher- 23 (-55) 37. Elliott Sadler- 22 (-56) 38. Joey Gase- 18 (-60) 39. Dale Earnhardt, Jr.- 16 (-62) 40. Reed Sorenson- 10 (-68) 41. D.J. Kensington- 5 (-73) 41. Derrike Cope- 5 (-73) 43. Gray Gaulding- 4 (-74) 44. Cody Ware- 2 (-76) 237. MJM posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LandonFandon34: "Apparently A.J. Allmendinger is facing some serious penalties. According to Bob Pockrass on Twitter, he faces a 35 point penalty and his crew chief Randall Burnett faces a 3 race suspension and a fine of $65,000 for leaving 3 lug nuts off the car at the end of the race. The 35 point penalty would drop Allmendinger from 11th to 35th in the points." Yeah, that would really be a killer for him since it would put his points for the race at negative-24. 238. Mile501 posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, I was clearly wrong in my prediction that SHR would get off to a slow start. They were very impressive today! They nearly had 3 cars finish in the top-10, but Bowyer came up a bit short (11th) at the end. Patrick is obviously the weak link still, running 1-2 laps down while her teammates all ran in the top-10, before a few late cautions put her back on the lead lap. There for a while, it looked like we might not have any Gibbs OR Hendrick cars finish in the top-10. Some late cautions helped some of those drivers as well (especially Kenseth, who really made up for some early race troubles), but does anyone know how long it has been since no cars from either Gibbs or Hendrick finished in the top-10 in a non-plate race? I would imagine it's been quite a while. The Roush duo had a very impressive day, as did the RCR pair of Newman and Dillon, until they ran into trouble. I have noticed, though, that Stenhouse and Austin Dillon tend to perform well early in the season, then get worse as the year goes on. We'll have to see if that trend continues this year. I was VERY impressed by Cole Whitt's performance and top-20 finish, as well as both Front Row cars, which solidly finished in the top-25. It's quite interesting to look at how many and what percentage of cars from each organization finished in the top-15: 3 (75%) Stewart-Haas 2 (100%) Penske 2 (100%) Ganassi 2 (100%) Furniture Row 2 (100%) Roush 2 (50%) Hendrick 1 (100%) Germain 1 (25%) Gibbs This is very different from most races in recent years. Was it just an odd day, or is it a sign of things to come? 239. Nucl3ar Wa4le posted: 03.05.2017 - 8:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates #19 - Arris High-Speed Modems #37 - Bush's Beans / Cheez-It #43 - Smithfield / Waffle House #47 - Kroger ClickList / Lean Cuisine / Cheerios #55 - Wade Tractor & Equipment / Adrenalinpwr.com 240. racefangurl posted: 03.05.2017 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 238, it's too early to tell. Wait and see if the trend continues. 241. Maverick19 posted: 03.05.2017 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sort of lost in this was that Harvick wouldn't have sped if Austin Dillon hadn't stupidly pulled a David Reutimann. 242. Anthony posted: 03.06.2017 - 1:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Johnson and Dale Jr are still behind Michael Waltrip in the points. It doesn't mean anything after next week with the Chase and Waltrip not racing anymore, but its still funny nonetheless. 243. 18fan posted: 03.06.2017 - 2:30 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It looked like Austin was going to come into the pits and his team told him to stay on the track. Of course he could have just come in anyways. 244. BMan0213 posted: 03.06.2017 - 3:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @241 I don't think what Austin did was on that level of stupidity. I mean if he was able to get the car back going he probably would have finished in the top 15 so while it might have been unsportsmanlike I think the risk of doing it was worth the reward. 245. Scott B posted: 03.06.2017 - 3:21 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) #238- I do think Ford has stepped up their game. SHR made a smooth transition, Penske as expected is solid again this year, and Roush seems to be better as a two car team. Hendrick and Gibbs will get their wins, maybe not as dominant as people have come to expect but still very strong. 246. Anthony posted: 03.06.2017 - 7:52 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fewest lead changes at Atlanta since March 1995! 247. Anonymous posted: 03.06.2017 - 10:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr was running in the top 15 when he had the speeding penalty. Then came the tire problems that pretty much ruined his day. If he didn't have trouble today he might have gotten a top 10, at the very least a top 15. 248. Tide1732 posted: 03.06.2017 - 10:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 39 field for Las Vegas Again? '-' 249. Jason Gilstrap posted: 03.06.2017 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Well I hoped the fact I stopped going to races would hurt Jimmie Johnson (see the comment section of the 2013 Southern 500 for the gory details) but that didn't help. And no, I'm not watching full time. I tried to watch the end of Daytona, and tuned in just in time to see the victory lane ceremonies (and see Kurt is married yet again, let's hope she isn't a trained assassin too). I caught about the last 40 laps of this one. I heard they are repaving the track (ugh) so I wanted to watch them slip and slide and have absolutely zero grip one last time. 250. Newman31 posted: 03.06.2017 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "39 field for Las Vegas Again?" Hopefully a full 40-car field will be in place for Vegas. "Well I hoped the fact I stopped going to races would hurt Jimmie Johnson (see the comment section of the 2013 Southern 500 for the gory details) but that didn't help." Especially since Jimmie now has 7 titles and 80 wins. "I heard they are repaving the track (ugh) so I wanted to watch them slip and slide and have absolutely zero grip one last time." Atlanta needs to be repaved; it was last paved in 1997 (when they reconfigured it). 251. Seibaru posted: 03.06.2017 - 6:48 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Welp, they're reconsidering the repave. 252. JSPorts posted: 03.06.2017 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm glad to hear they're thinking about calling off the repave. This track is really in the drivers' hands, and that's the way I like it. The worn out intermediate tracks can be just as much about the driver as a short track, road course or superspeedway. 253. chevyfan98 posted: 03.06.2017 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Welp, they're reconsidering the repave." 254. chevyfan98 posted: 03.06.2017 - 8:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh whoops I didn't mean to make the image so big. Sorry about that. 255. Maverick19 posted: 03.06.2017 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does anyone else think that segments were created due to the success of the Sprint Showdown? 256. Sean posted: 03.06.2017 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) No, in my opinion they were created to introduce the caution clock idea to Cup, but NASCAR knew fans didn't like the term 'caution clock' so they reintroduced the same concept in a different way to damage control. 257. JSPorts posted: 03.06.2017 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree Sean, NASCAR sure loved that caution clock in the trucks. I wasn't a big fan. 258. chevyfan98 posted: 03.06.2017 - 10:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) IMO the fact that they award points for the segments makes up for it. I can deal with the fact that we have two unnecessary cautions (which would probably happen anyway, they'd just be disguised as Jacques Debris) if it means drivers get rewarded for performance throughout the whole race. The caution clock was just dumb and served no purpose other than to spice up drama. Obviously I need more races to come up with a clearer opinion of it, but I think it worked well at Atlanta. Plate races are another matter judging by what happened at Daytona, but even at that I thought a lot of the "the segments caused all the wrecks" freaking out was way overblown, especially in the 500. 259. Eric posted: 03.06.2017 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree Sean. The thing is I this this will backfire on NASCAR during the chase. I also feel this has the potential to have a NASCAR champion that leads the most segments, but not the final segment. 260. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.06.2017 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @249 Understand Jason. Glad to be hearing from you. 261. Pickles posted: 03.07.2017 - 7:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The ratings for Atlanta are horrendous after reading how much the 2nd race has drawn in previous years. http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2017/03/nascar-ratings-fox-atlanta-overnights-down/ NASACR is facing an adaption crisis and these "band-aid" fixes are not solving the problem. 262. Eric posted: 03.07.2017 - 8:45 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) I'm sorry, but the truth is Brian France and the people he surrounds himself with is causing problems. Case in point is an Article came out during Daytona Speedweeks that Brian France even misses very important meetings, and does stuff without approval of his Uncle and his sister despite needing their approval, there is a problem. I brought up Brian's Uncle and sister because they actually are the people that can hire and fire him since Brian doesn't have any stock in his own family's company any more. To show how out of touch Management of NASCAR is, they are considering quieting the cars one of their big priorities. 263. Windows Millennium Edition posted: 03.07.2017 - 11:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor updates: #43 Waffle House/Smithfield Foods #2 Autotrader.com #24 NAPA Auto Parts #77 SiriusXM/5-hour Energy Extra Strength #72 Rinnai Tankless Water Heaters #72 Bush's Beans/Cheez-It/Tide/Tyson #15 The Maids Professional Housecleaning Service #33 Circle Sport Racing with TMG #51 Spoonful of Music Foundation/Bubba Burger 264. TeamDCR fan posted: 03.07.2017 - 12:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The only races guaranteed to have a full field this season are the Superspeedway events. Other than that, I don't see fields going above 39. At least not for now. 265. chevyfan98 posted: 03.07.2017 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think we'll eventually see a team run an extra car to fill out the field like Premium did last year. BK, Premium (again) or TMG/Circle Sport would be the best bets, or a new team could move up from Xfinity like JGL or Johnny Davis. If there's a free spot available I'd imagine someone will eventually take it. 266. Roush Fenway Forever posted: 03.07.2017 - 6:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wouldn't mind seeing Johnny Davis take one of his 3 xfinity teams up to cup he's probably the hardest working owner in the xfinity garage or maybe even Ryan Seig or Jeremy Clements moving up there family team would be cool to see. 267. racefangurl posted: 03.07.2017 - 10:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 245, with Biffle not a Roushskateer anymore, they can listen to the younger drivers more. Ricky and Trevor don't drive like the Biff, so they don't want things the same as he did. Maybe one of them can win or points race into the top-16. Or perhaps a combo of both, one wins and one makes the playoffs on points. They're raceoffs in my head, though. "We don't play, we race.", as NASCAR once said. 268. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.08.2017 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) No Biffle, No 40 car field in All events. Remmember,Greg Biffle is nearby runs for #93 for BK Racing this year, and faield to testing. And LFR/BKR needed one more non-point team for run full-time. 269. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.08.2017 - 11:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (3) Brian France needs more rigid. And not reduce the cup fields for a indy/F1 fields. Most Necessary is a 32 fields in cup. 270. JSPorts posted: 03.08.2017 - 1:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Ok...there could be 40 cars in some races this year. There is no rumor anywhere that Biffle will run the #93. LFR and BKR aren't merged, and I have no idea what you mean by non-point team. 32 is too small for a Cup field in my opinion, but I think that's the direction we're heading in. 271. Seibaru posted: 03.08.2017 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @270 Insert two cents here. But you know, usually, I can understand Tide. This time, not so much. Can you please explain what you mean? I LEGITIMATELY have no idea what you are talking about, Tide. 272. Tide1732 posted: 03.08.2017 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Women drivers are feeling 'offended by fans' for considering themselves weak. Do you know Jutta Kleinschmidt? She is German, and won the 2001 Dakar Rally in the 'cars' category. 273. Seibaru posted: 03.08.2017 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @272 WHAT!? WHAT KIND OF PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON!? ...Calm down, Seibaru, calm down... Okay, that is the DUMBEST statement I have ever read...let's pick it apart, shall we? 'Women drivers' - Female drivers, thank you much...honestly, D10R would love this post. 'Are' - Proof? 'Fans' - What kind of fan sees their favorite drivers as weak? 'Weak' - I think you're implying that, in your eyes, female drivers are offended by the fact that they have haters, which is one of the most misguided, sexist, and downright RIDICULOUS statements I have ever heard. A decent race car driver could care less about their haters. Any race car driver who focuses upon the haters will not remain a race car driver for long before quitting. 274. Sean posted: 03.08.2017 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "'Fans' - What kind of fan sees their favorite drivers as weak?" There are drivers I love that I don't see as particularly good. Zach Veach. Love him, but I don't think he's IndyCar caliber really (although there are certainly people with fewer credentials who have advanced...and I'll root for him if he makes it.) I can distinguish between drivers I like and drivers I think are good. But I don't think that's what Tide meant in the original post. I think he meant that the female drivers considered THEMSELVES weak, as opposed to fans considering the female drivers weak. That's a lot less likely. There are very few drivers who think they suck, because you need a major level of self-confidence to make it to the top levels. Chase Elliott MAY be an exception... 275. Eric posted: 03.08.2017 - 6:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I saw the NASCAR Hall of Fame Nominee list and I doesn't like some of the new Nominees at all. My problem is why would Davey Allison and Bobby Labonte be on the Ballot, when there are people not on the Ballot are more deserving such as Ralph Moody, Smokey Yunick as Examples. While Bobby Labonte is former cup champion, from a talent standpoint he's one of the weaker drivers to become a cup champion. I am saying this because Bobby Labonte only finished in the 5 in points two times in his cup career and that was in 1999 and 2000. Bobby Labonte also was much weaker than his brother Terry at Short Tracks and road courses. Keep in mind in 1999 and 2000, Jeff Gordon was going through a crew Transition in his peak of a driver. To combine it with the fact a lot of the star drivers of the 1980's and 1990's were in their 40's when 1999 and 2000 came along. While Tony Stewart had a great rookie year, 1st and 2nd year driver usually aren't good enough to win cup championships. My Problem with Davey Allison is you are not dealing with a cup champion that died young. Davey was one of the top drivers of the cup series in the late 1980's and early 1990's, but his career wasn't so strong without a cup championship that he's more important than Ralph Moody, or Smokey Yunick in NASCAR. 276. Anthony posted: 03.08.2017 - 6:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tim Richmond misses out again, he has done more than some others that are already in there 277. Eric posted: 03.08.2017 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Based on the ballot, I would only expect 1 or 2 drivers in this class. I would like to see Red Byron, and Alan Kulwicki to get inudcted, but I wouldn't be shocked if it is Bobby Labonte. The reason is this class has Jack Roush, Robert Yates, Joe Gibbs, and Roger Penske. I wouldn't be shocked if all 4 gets inducted for 2018. Robert Yates is youngest owner of the 4, but he has liver Cancer. I think Robert Yates is going to get inducted since this is a person that has a legacy as an owner and is known as one of the best Engine builders of his era. Roush, Gibbs, and Roger Penske are active, but they are not getting any younger. 278. Pickles posted: 03.08.2017 - 9:12 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Calm down Seibaru you are going to get an aneurysm. I want to know what on earth is going through Tide's mind. Does he think women break into the sport because they crave attention and live in a fantasy where everyone loves them, or when they read criticism about them do they lose all faith in their fans and racing future? 279. Sean posted: 03.08.2017 - 9:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Modern name recognition is what it's about. The names Allison and Labonte carry weight (mostly based on what Bobby and Terry did, not Davey and Bobby.) Yeah, at this point I think I would take Yunick, Holman, and Moody over every single name on this ballot, and considering they even remembered to list Ray Fox, Waddell Wilson, and (barf) Evernham, one makes you wonder why those three aren't nominated when they're more important than anyone who is. Allison, Baker, and Labonte are the weak links solely because of their fame due to other family members' success. Gant, Irvan, Richmond, Paschal, Fonty Flock, and Bodine were better drivers than all of them IMO, but it wasn't going to happen (and none of THEM deserve it over Yunick, Holman, or Moody either.) (Bobby may get a boost from being the first to win Cup and now-Xfinity titles, but how much does that really matter now, post-Harvick/Busch/Keselowski?) I would vote Byron Farmer Fox Hyde and Yates maybe. Give the second-tier modern-era Cup stars a rest for a while. With 5 a year they'll all be in anyway. Clear off some engineers to see if that'll finally get Yunick his due... 280. Sean posted: 03.08.2017 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also Hershel McGriff and no Ray Elder seems to be galling, because Elder was better, but McGriff was the more popular icon, and made the 50 Greatest Drivers' List while Elder for some reason didn't, so that wasn't going to happen either. 281. chevyfan98 posted: 03.08.2017 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My votes would be for Kulwicki, Davey Allison, Hornaday, Yates, and Red Byron. Would probably put Roush and/or Penske in there but I'm against active people getting in. Nice to see Tim Richmond get snubbed again... SMH 282. murb posted: 03.08.2017 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'd go Kulwicki, Farmer, Yates, Stefanik, and Hornaday. I've become annoyed at the constant "it's not the CUP HOF" stuff that we always hear, but honestly Stefanik's Modified career and Hornaday's Truck career by themselves are better than all the Cup drivers' Cup careers on here. And I think they did enough in other series to justify it too (Stefanik winning East titles, Hornaday winning in Busch and being at least a semi-championship contender every full year he was there). They'll probably have Davey and Yates together as the headliners though I bet. I don't know. Davey is fine I guess since there's really no no brainer Cup driver on here now (every other first or second ballot lock is either already in or isn't eligible yet like Gordon and Stewart). But I'd still definitely choose Kulwicki over Davey/Bobby/Buddy/Rudd (Rudd comes closest, but I'd put Kulwicki in first just for everything he did and stood for). It is annoying that Richmond hasn't even been nominated yet though... 283. murb posted: 03.08.2017 - 10:43 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Hornaday winning in Busch and being at least a semi-championship contender every full year he was there" Oh yeah, and his great Southwest and West careers too... 284. Seibaru posted: 03.08.2017 - 11:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @278 Agreed. Wow Murb, I came on here to post what I'd like the HOF to be, only to find that my 'list' is the same as yours. Kulwicki, Farmer, Yates, Stefanik, Hornaday. 285. JSPorts posted: 03.08.2017 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Here's how I'd vote: Red Byron: won a modified championship & Cup championship, was a pioneer of the sport, he belongs in the Hall. Alan Kulwicki: did an amazing job as an owner-driver, is a Cup champion. Bobby Labonte: though his success didn't last long, Bobby was one of the top Cup drivers from 1995-2003 and has a championship in Cup & Xfinity racing Those are the 3 I think really need to be in. From there, it gets a little more shaky. Ron Hornaday, Jr.: 4 championships in any level of NASCAR is impressive, and he was a pretty good BGN racer, too. He's the best NASCAR trucker of all time. I think he belongs in the Hall. And finally, Joe Gibbs: Gibbs has built a dominant team in less than 30 years. 9 car owner championships says it all to me. The one I really want to put in but think will have to wait until next year is Mike Stefanik. He certainly should be in the Hall of Fame, but his lack of success in the 3 national touring series hurts his cause, I think. And the Landmark Award should go to Ken Squier. He's a true legend of our sport, from the media side of things. Love listening to him. 286. racefangurl posted: 03.09.2017 - 12:24 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) 274, Chase is a perfectionist. Not sure if he lacks confidence. He might be a DW-type, in that one area. I've read DW's book A Lifetime Going Around In Circles and he describes himself as a perfectionist. However, I wouldn't say he lacked confidence when he raced. 287. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I don't think Chase lacks confidence, but I think he second-guesses himself a lot. That can be frustrating, especially when you think how close he's come to victory lane in the past year but has just missed out so many times. 288. Not Sure posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:00 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) I don't understand the disrespect Bobby Labonte is getting. "weak links solely because of their fame due to other family members' success" Wins: Terry (22 in 890 races), Bobby (21 in 729 races) Cup championships: Terry (2 - both by narrow margins), Bobby (1 - he blew them all away) Wins at the four majors: Terry (2 - Southern 500 both times), Bobby (3 - all except Daytona 500) Remarkably similar I'd say. Terry was better on the short tracks and road courses, but Bobby clearly outdid his brother in other respects. He is a legit Hall of Famer in his own right. Save that "his fame is based on his last name" nonsense for Kyle Petty and Michael Waltrip. 289. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:44 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) @288: my thoughts exactly. If he didn't have a championship it would be borderline to me, but the fact that he has a title in 2 different series (again, this is the NASCAR hall of fame, not just Cup) definitely puts him in. I personally believe that every Cup champion deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. 290. chevyfan98 posted: 03.09.2017 - 11:38 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I don't understand the disrespect Bobby Labonte is getting." I don't think he shouldn't be a Hall of Famer, but the fact that he got on the ballot before Tim Richmond, Ernie Irvan, and Harry Gant is laughable. 291. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @290, why? Labonte had a better career than any of those drivers. Let's compare the careers of those 4 drivers, Labonte plus the 3 you just mentioned. Bobby Labonte: 953 starts, 32 wins, 309 top 10s, 2 championships Tim Richmond: 198 starts, 15 wins, 82 top 10s, 0 championships Ernie Irvan: 389 starts, 18 wins, 148 top 10s, 0 championships Harry Gant: 619 starts, 39 wins, 285 top 10s, 0 championships In Bobby's NASCAR career, he had more starts than all of them, more top 10s than all of them, more championships than all of them, and more wins than all except Harry Gant. I know there's an argument that Richmond would've been an all-time great had he raced longer and not gotten sick, and Irvan would've been an all-time great if he didn't get injured so much, and Gant would've been an all-time great if he had started racing earlier (he didn't run for ROTY until he was 39). But the Hall of Fame is for things that actually happened, not hypotheticals, and I think you'd be very hard-pressed to argue that any one of those drivers makes a better case than Labonte. 292. Eric posted: 03.09.2017 - 12:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @288, There is something that you are not considering between Terry Labonte and Bobby Labonte. Terry's peak as a driver ended after 1996 or 1997. This is very important because that is when the 1.5 mile tracks, and Auto Club started to get added on the cup Schedule. Terry already was 40 years old going into 1997 and Terry Labonte got worse each season from 1997 to 2000. During that era, there was some problems behind the scenes at Hendrick Motorsports that I did read about that involved communication problems between Hendrick Motorsports teams. There are people like me and that put a lot of stock in a driver's career by certain tracks. The fact is IMS, Charlotte, Michigan, Pocono, and Homestead are aerodynamic based tracks. Those tracks are way more on the equipment, than on the drivers. I put a lot stock of into Darlington, Rockingham, Road Courses, short tracks, and some 1 mile tracks. The reason I do is they are not as aerodynamic based and don't relay on pure horsepower as your 1.5 mile oval, 2 mile oval, IMS, and even Pocono. 293. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 12:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bobby's top 10 best tracks: 1. Rockingham 2. Charlotte 3. Darlington 4. North Wilkesboro 5. Loudon 6. Dover 7. Michigan 8. Atlanta 9. Phoenix 10. Martinsville Out of his top 10 tracks based on average finish, only 2 are 1.5 miles, and 1 is 2 miles. He wasn't a great road racer, but the Rock & Darlington are both on this list for a reason. 294. Eric posted: 03.09.2017 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @291, The NASCAR Hall of Fame is more than what a driver did during there cup career. What a driver does before their cup career does matter. You are not putting into prospective with Harry career before going to the cup series. Harry Gant won over 300 races in the NASCAR Sports division with 3 national championships. Harry also was a runner up in the NASCAR Late Model Sportsmanman series(now known as the Xfinity series) 3 times. Basically what I'm getting at is Harry Gant's career needs to be treated like Geoff Bodine's racing career. The lower leagues of NASCAR played a huge role in Geoff Bodine career before going cup like it was the case for Harry Gant. 295. Pickles posted: 03.09.2017 - 1:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Radical opinion, and maybe an unpopular one, but I would be in favor of a points based system, like the LPGA uses, to determine eligibility & inclusion in the hall. Every year we have people shit all over drivers legacies because they don't agree with them as hall of famers and that is way I don't think honors like this should not be objectively based. There should be something tangible to look at and say "okay this guy is a hall of famer". 296. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My 5 HOF 2018 predictons. Davey Allison Joe Gibbs Bobby Labonte Alan Kulwicki Red Byron And Jeff Gordon or a Truck series Legend: Joe Ruttman 297. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 1:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No Jeff Gordon in HOF 2018? Jeff Gordon was a precoce NASCAR retirement, can make a another Brickyard start in 2017? 298. Eric posted: 03.09.2017 - 1:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @293, There is something you are not considering in your top for Bobby Labonte. North Wilkesboro actually played a small part of Bobby's career in the cup series since he first became a full time driver in 1993. Bobby only raced there from 1993 to 1996. Averages actually don't paint the whole picture of a driver. The problem with averages is they included the part of the career when Bobby was past his prime. Bobby was past his prime from 2004 to the time he last raced last year at Talladega. Cased in point is Bobby Labonte won 6 Atlanta cup races, but yet you have that track ranked 9th average and yet has Rockingham ranked number 4 despite only having 1 win at Rockingham. Remember Rockingham left the cup series shortly after Bobby's prime. Bobby's prime was 1995 to 2003 and Rockingham's last race was in 2004 and Rockingham should have better career average than Atlanta due to that fact. The problem with Averages is you looking at the whole career, not his prime. Some tracks looked worse for Bobby Labonte than they actually were during Bobby's prime like for Atlanta. Homestead actually was a better than you painted for Bobby Labonte. Bobby from 1999 to 2003 had 3 top 5's and 4 top 5's in his first 5 starts there. Bobby Labonte's prime ended after 2003. 299. Eric posted: 03.09.2017 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @288, NASCAR Hall of Fame is more than Drivers. While Bobby Labonte is worthy as driver, who's not in the ballot is the problem. Case in point is Randy Dorton hasn't been nominated yet along with Ralph Moody, John Holman, and Smokey Yunick. Randy Dorton at the time of his death was responsible for 9 championships in NASCAR for Hendrick Motorsports. His Engines won 4 Cup Championships,1 Busch series championship, and 3 Truck series championships. The truth is you can't tell the history of Hendrick Motorsports without Randy Dorton. He was not a driver, but he was the engine builder for Hendrick Motorsports from the beginning to the day he died. I'm going to go into Ralph Moody, John Holman, and Smokey Yunick on a different post later on since I don't want a wall of text. 300. Pickles posted: 03.09.2017 - 2:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go home Tide you're drunk. 301. Seibaru posted: 03.09.2017 - 2:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) The hell is a precoce? No, I think Gordon's done with NASCAR. He seems to just want to race for fun from now on. Remember, he did the 24h of Daytona for free, and with the way NASCAR is going, 'fun' barely exists anymore... ...Also, I think a driver must be retired for five years to enter the HoF. Gordon will be inducted into the HoF for sure someday, but it won't be for some time. 302. chevyfan98 posted: 03.09.2017 - 2:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 291- You mention starts like its a good thing to have a higher number of when comparing drivers when in fact its really the opposite. Those three drivers combined have only about 250 more starts than him yet have a combined 40 more wins and over 200 more top tens. Obviously championships are another matter and Bobby should absolutely be a Hall of Famer eventually based on that alone, not to mention his great career otherwise. You also mention the Hall of Fame is about what actually happened and not what could've happened, well sort of. Intangibles do get taken into account. Irvan and Richmond were both on pace to potentially be all-time greats before their careers were cut short and should get consideration for what they were able to do in their limited time. As for Gant, I don't think he should be considered just for what he could've done if he'd started racing at a younger age, but he should be considered for what he WAS able to do at an older age. Not many drivers can race at an elite level into their late 40s and early 50s. So no disrespect to Bobby, but I'd put them all in before him. They all belong in eventually though. 303. murb posted: 03.09.2017 - 2:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "...Also, I think a driver must be retired for five years to enter the HoF." In the past I was under the impression that it was you either had to be retired for three full time years or had to be 55 years old (which is how Mark Martin got in so quick after retirement), but now that Bobby Labonte (only 53 years old and ran races LAST year) has been nominated, much like everything else NASCAR does I think they're just making it up as they go along. 304. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The criteria for nomination are these: A driver must have competed in NASCAR for 10 years and have been retired for 3 years. A driver who has raced at least 10 years and is 55 years old is elegible for nomination, as is a driver who has competed for 30 or more years. A driver may continue to compete after reaching one of those milestones without sacrificing their status. So essentially, a driver must have run 10 years in the sport, and then either be retired for 3 years, be 55 years old or have driven 30 or more years. Labonte is 53 years old & has been retired for 1 year, but competed in NASCAR for 35 years. 305. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 3:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @302 I just don't see a case for those guys to be in before him. None of them have as many championships. None of them have as many wins. None of them have as many top 10s. None of them had his longevity. None of them won the bulk of their races against the super-competitive field from about 1997-2003. I don't see any facts that would back up a guy like Tim Richmond being in the hall of fame before Labonte. Same for Irvan and Gant. If you're going to argue for them, then would you say Jeff Burton, Greg Biffle, Geoff Bodine & Neil Bonnett all belong in, too? Of course, I think the guys you mentioned will eventually get in, not sure they all deserve it, but the NASCAR Hall, especially 25 years down the road, isn't going to be all that exclusive unless they change their number of inductees per year. 306. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 3:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, starts are a good thing for a driver to have. Longevity is important for halls of fame. The longer someone competes, especially at a high level, is important. I will give you that Labonte's time at a high level was pretty brief, mostly due to the fact that he was older by the time he finally landed with a good team. I'd say Labonte had about 9 years (1995-2003) of being a top driver, while Richmond had about 6 (1982-1987), Irvan had around 8 (1990-1997) and Gant had the most of the group, I'll say 11 (1982-1992). 307. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Truck Legends such Ruttman,Skinner and Hornaday can be added 308. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Joe Ruttman? Thats a Truck Legend. 309. chevyfan98 posted: 03.09.2017 - 3:55 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Truc"Truck Legends such Ruttman,Skinner and Hornaday can be added" "Joe Ruttman? Thats a Truck Legend." Right, because when I think of truck series drivers who deserve to make the Hall of Fame, Joe Ruttman is totally the first guy that comes to mind. 310. Maverick19 posted: 03.09.2017 - 5:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A driver must have competed in NASCAR for 10 years and have been retired for 3 years." Looks like we know why Tim Richmond got snubbed. He was only in NASCAR for 8. 311. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 6:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't understand the disrespect Bobby Labonte is getting." I think he should be inducted, and he was one of my favorite drivers when he was at his peak and I still like him now, but how I evaluate drivers' talent has little to do with how I evaluate their personalities (remember what I said about Zach Veach above.) "Wins: Terry (22 in 890 races), Bobby (21 in 729 races) Cup championships: Terry (2 - both by narrow margins), Bobby (1 - he blew them all away) Wins at the four majors: Terry (2 - Southern 500 both times), Bobby (3 - all except Daytona 500) Remarkably similar I'd say. Terry was better on the short tracks and road courses, but Bobby clearly outdid his brother in other respects. He is a legit Hall of Famer in his own right." There are many significant differences. Bobby Labonte in my opinion was the luckiest driver in NASCAR history in the last 25 years. On my site Racermetrics, I invented a statistic called the terminal natural leader (the last driver to take the lead on track via a green-flag pass, excluding instances where the leader crashed, blew an engine, ran out of fuel, got penalized, got beaten out of the pits, or whatever.) From 1990 to present, Bobby Labonte was tied with Kyle Busch for the largest difference between their win total and their TNL total (7). Even though Bobby Labonte won 21 races, he was only the last driver to take the lead on track 14 times, which is a massive difference. He won much more often than he put himself in position to win due to sheer dumb luck. Here are three of his most farcical wins: 2000 Southern 500 - he beat everybody out of the pits under caution and then rain ended the race a couple laps later 2001 Atlanta - he inherited the lead on the last lap after Jerry Nadeau ran out of gas 2003 Homestead - he inherited the lead on the last lap after Bill Elliott cut a tire Has any other driver in Cup history lucked into two last lap wins like that? Probably, but I doubt anybody with as few wins as Bobby has done so. Terry put himself in position to win about as often as he won, and wasn't lucky on a race to race basis like Bobby was (Terry was probably lucky on a championship basis, but not race-to-race.) Bobby was capable of being competitive anywhere, but he was only really great at four tracks: Atlanta, Charlotte, Michigan, and Pocono (and JSports, I think it's much more reasonable to determine a driver's performance at a track based on wins and domination than average finish). Those tracks all are especially horsepower-dependent and can make you look much better than you are. Terry was much more balanced. Bobby had all his success with one team: Joe Gibbs and basically one crew chief: Jimmy Makar. He was lucky enough to even get the #18 because he presumably wouldn't have had Dale Jarrett not vacated it to take over the #28. Ward Burton IMPROVED on him in the #22, even though Bobby had Tim Brewer, who finished 2nd in points in Bill Elliott in '92, for his rookie season. Terry had success with several teams, giving the Billy Hagan team its only wins (it's pretty impressive he won a championship with a team that won with no one else, even if Dale Inman was his crew chief), and he had some good seasons in really bad equipment at times (especially 1992), something I don't think his brother could have done. Bobby was briefly a great superspeedway driver when Gibbs and Pontiac in general had a great intermediate package (even David Green won a pole on some intermediate in the freaking Tim Beverley 10-10-345 car.) But he really didn't do much to improve JGR himself. From 1995-98, he pretty much ran like Jarrett did in it, and didn't become championship-caliber until Stewart really elevated the team. His championship was more impressive than either of his brother's, probably, but his career just wasn't close looking at these factors. Bobby had two great seasons and Terry had more, even if Bobby's two great seasons were possibly greater than any of Terry's. For the record, I was way more impressed by BL in 1999 than in 2000. In my opinion, the best comparison for Terry Labonte is Ricky Rudd, and the best comparison for Bobby Labonte is Sterling Marlin. I would take Bobby over Marlin because of his greater objective stats, but on talent I'd say they're pretty much comparable (in fact Marlin even has more TNLs than B. Labonte AND greater career dominance, in worse cars, so I actually lean Marlin on talent...not to mention that Marlin is one of the best plate track drivers ever, while BL isn't close to one of the best on any kind of track, even his specialty of 1.5 mile ovals.) "Save that 'his fame is based on his last name" nonsense for Kyle Petty and Michael Waltrip.'" Hold up. Do you even know that Bobby Labonte is better than Kyle Petty? Petty had wins over a wider variety of tracks (Watkins Glen, Richmond, Pocono, Charlotte, Dover, and Rockingham...none of which are remotely similar to the others), and the same number of top five points finishes, for teams that are generally regarded as worse (a declining Wood Brothers, SABCO, a declining Petty Enterprises.) I think I was more impressed by Kyle Petty's drive at Dover in 1997 (where he dominated leading by almost a lap but finished 3rd because he needed to pit an extra time) than by ANY Bobby Labonte drive ever. Bobby's two best wins were his 2000 Rockingham and Indianapolis wins. Those impressed me, especially the Brickyard win, where he came from far behind on a very long green flag run to reel in Rusty Wallace very skillfully. He did a great job there, but the other two marquee wins? The farcical Southern 500 win where he beat everyone out of the pits before the rain came, and his Coca-Cola 600 win where Ken Schrader was running away with the race until blowing an engine and HANDING Bobby the lead... Trust me, I don't dislike Bobby. I don't even think he shouldn't be inducted (my standards are way lower than most other people's, and I'd even support people like Donnie Allison and Sterling Marlin...eventually.) I just think he is way overrated, I do think he wouldn't have had nearly the success he did without his ridiculous good luck and his brother paving the way for him. And it's too soon. Weren't people supposed to be fully retired for several years before they were deemed eligible for nomination? Bobby started all the plate races last year... 312. chevyfan98 posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like we know why Tim Richmond got snubbed. He was only in NASCAR for 8." There's a theory that the only reason that the rule is in place is because NASCAR doesn't want Richmond in the Hall of Fame. Not sure I believe it, but I wouldn't completely dismiss it either. 313. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Randy Dorton" I didn't even think of that one, but you're exactly right. I'd probably take him over a lot of the names currently nominated. Yunick, Holman, and Moody over the entire ballot though. "I just don't see a case for those guys to be in before him. None of them have as many championships. None of them have as many wins. None of them have as many top 10s. None of them had his longevity. None of them won the bulk of their races against the super-competitive field from about 1997-2003. I don't see any facts that would back up a guy like Tim Richmond being in the hall of fame before Labonte. Same for Irvan and Gant. If you're going to argue for them, then would you say Jeff Burton, Greg Biffle, Geoff Bodine & Neil Bonnett all belong in, too? " Adjust for equipment strength and Irvan and Gant's 1991s were stronger than any season BL has ever had. Richmond is probably the dodgier of the three, since he only had one great season for Hendrick, but I'm still more impressed by what he did in '86 and '87 than anything BL did. And yes, I think Biffle, Bodine, and Bonnett definitely deserve it. Bodine won 45 modified races in a season and I think most of them are NASCAR sanctioned. Biffle's Cup career, like Bobby Labonte's, is slightly lacking, but I guess is pushed over the line by what he did in the other NASCAR premier series (but Biffle was a lot less lucky than BL was.) Bonnett is the most borderline, but his 3 or 4 wins for RahMoc is very impressive (they never won with anybody else), and I don't think BL would have done anything like that in the same kind of car. Burton is pretty much B. Labonte without the championship but a bit more versatility. They're a wash. I'm a bit harder on the modern drivers like B. Labonte, Burton, Biffle, Newman, Kahne, etc... because they had longer seasons than Irvan, Gant, Bodine, Rudd, etc... did and similar win totals and didn't face the kind of adversity those drivers faced. But I would still probably say yes to everybody you listed. 314. Pickles posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like we know why Tim Richmond got snubbed. He was only in NASCAR for 8." That makes me a little sad realizing Sam Ard will likely never get in I also kinda agree with Chevy, NASCAR never liked Tim's fast and loose lifestyle, and unfortunately ,as with all hall of fames, it has become a popularity contest for NASCAR with the illusion of fan interaction. 315. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like we know why Tim Richmond got snubbed. He was only in NASCAR for 8." Davey Allison is on the ballot and I'm pretty sure his NASCAR career was shorter than ten years. Another double standard, but I'm not surprised. 316. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) A comparate to the two Badiest Cup drivers ever. Roy 'Buckshot 'Jones or Loy Allen Jr. who is the best? 317. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "In Bobby's NASCAR career, he had more starts than all of them, more top 10s than all of them, more championships than all of them, and more wins than all except Harry Gant. I know there's an argument that Richmond would've been an all-time great had he raced longer and not gotten sick, and Irvan would've been an all-time great if he didn't get injured so much, and Gant would've been an all-time great if he had started racing earlier (he didn't run for ROTY until he was 39). But the Hall of Fame is for things that actually happened, not hypotheticals, and I think you'd be very hard-pressed to argue that any one of those drivers makes a better case than Labonte." Bobby only had two more wins than Gant, and a much lower winning percentage and average percent led. Gant was competitive at an age Bobby was washed up. He had more top five points finishes in worse cars, and he was stronger on the short tracks, while Labonte was a superspeedway specialist. Even though he won a title in neither series, you've already shown yourself he had more wins in the two series combined. Bobby had NO real adversity in his career. At all. He does not nearly have enough wins (especially considering how much he lucked into them above) to automatically trump Richmond and Irvan who were much more dominant at their peak and didn't come all that far from his win totals, in much shorter seasons. Remember what I said about how Bobby had 21 wins and 14 TNL? Irvan was the most unlucky driver on that basis, with 23 TNL to 15 wins. Irvan put himself into position to win far more than Bobby did, in a shorter career, in worse cars. Irvan ended up losing a lot of races due to sheer dumb luck, just as Bobby won them. Second to Irvan on the win/TNL difference is Marlin, which is why I think he's underrated too. Labonte certainly had some great races (Dover '99, most of his 2000 wins, and Pocono '01) impressed me, but is there really anything on the parallel of Richmond winning back-to-back races in '87 while dying of AIDS or Irvan leading the most laps at Phoenix in '95 while wearing an eye patch? I really don't think he would have remained as relevant, and his counting stats aren't nearly enough to trump them. I guess I don't care about Labonte being the first to win Busch and Cup championships now that several others (Keselowski, Harvick, Busch) have also done it. We sneer at Cup drivers who were too reliant on Xfinity performances, don't we? That's why we all generally trash-talk Michael Waltrip and Jimmy Spencer who actually had pretty great Busch careers. I don't think Labonte's Busch title should be that much of a bonus, I guess, although at least he won it before he was a full-time Cup driver. Cup should be the main focus for drivers who were predominantly Cup veterans. Busch should only be a deal-breaker in the Jack Ingram/Sam Ard kind of cases. Here's another good comparison for Bobby Labonte: Martin Truex right now. I think they're about the same kind of driver. Drivers who CAN contend everywhere but are basically just superspeedway specialists. Labonte had extremely good luck and Truex extremely bad luck, but I think if both of them had had average luck, they'd have very similar win totals... 318. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Okay, I'm wrong. Davey did just barely make it 10 years, if you count 1983, a year he made FOUR BUSCH STARTS, and a single Winston West start prior to that. I think that's pushing it just a little... Kulwicki is even pushing it even more because his first Busch starts were in 1984. Besides, what should matter is what you do, not what time frame it is done in. Imagine if other halls of fame did this. Rock 'N' Roll Hall of Fame: "Sorry Beatles, you may have been the most influential pop group in history but you only lasted eight years. Sorry Nirvana, you only had three albums and only two of them were popular." Kind of a ridiculous analogy I suppose, but kind of not too. 319. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, and as for JSports's comment of the competitive depth of 1997-2003. 1997-99 weren't tremendously deep seasons, because many of the multi-car teams had bad second drivers. 2000-03 were deep, but 2000 was the only one of those years Labonte was especially impressive in. Scratch the farcical Atlanta '01 and Homestead '03 last-lap wins and Labonte would have had 1 win each in those three seasons from 2001-03, and look at how many other drivers managed 3 wins in that period, some who don't have nearly Labonte's reputation. And in 2002, the deepest season in Cup history, Bobby Labonte did REALLY BADLY, barely scraping the top twenty in points when his teammate won the championship. 320. murb posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A driver must have competed in NASCAR for 10 years and have been retired for 3 years." I just stumbled upon an NBC Sports article from January (titled "When Will The NASCAR Hall of Fame Welcome Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart As Inductees?"), and there's a quote from Winston Kelley (HOF director) that says Stewart would be eligible for the 2020 class, so that means it's actually TWO years you have to be retired instead of three (since Stewart would have to be voted on in May 2019, which by then would be only two years since his retirement). But I do clearly remember it being three originally, so they must have sneakily changed it recently or something (they probably did so they could get Gordon and Stewart in quicker after their retirements since they're lacking in big names with the nominees now). I didn't realize Bobby ran a couple Busch races in 1982 (which I guess does make the "35 years in NASCAR" thing valid), but I more and more think these eligibility rules don't really matter and it's just whoever they want. "There's a theory that the only reason that the rule is in place is because NASCAR doesn't want Richmond in the Hall of Fame. Not sure I believe it, but I wouldn't completely dismiss it either." I definitely wouldn't put it past them. Too bad. 321. murb posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Roy 'Buckshot 'Jones or Loy Allen Jr." Buckshot at least won twice in Busch. Loy did nothing outside of ARCA. 322. chevyfan98 posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Imagine if other halls of fame did this. Rock 'N' Roll Hall of Fame: "Sorry Beatles, you may have been the most influential pop group in history but you only lasted eight years. Sorry Nirvana, you only had three albums and only two of them were popular." The Rock and Roll HoF is a bad example to bring up since its probably the biggest joke of a Hall of Fame out there, its run by pretty much one person (Jans Wenner) who handpicks the bands he likes and that's who gets in. Plus some of the people who get in now aren't even rock. "Has any other driver in Cup history lucked into two last lap wins like that? Probably, but I doubt anybody with as few wins as Bobby has done so." Brian Vickers "Irvan leading the most laps at Phoenix in '95 while wearing an eye patch" And coming back to win at the track that nearly (briefly did) killed him, I'd say that's pretty impressive. 323. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The Rock and Roll HoF is a bad example to bring up since its probably the biggest joke of a Hall of Fame out there, its run by pretty much one person (Jans Wenner) who handpicks the bands he likes and that's who gets in. Plus some of the people who get in now aren't even rock." Not lately. They've been going on a real populist streak lately with bands much more commercially successful than loved by critics getting in in recent years (Rush, Heart, Journey, KISS, Joan Jett, Neil Diamond...) while the bands that Wenner and his cohorts are trying to force in like the J. Geils Band aren't budging. I don't think the Rolling Stone old guard has much influence there anymore. But my main point admittedly was that when even they have better eligibility standards than you do, there is a problem. If Jeff Gordon had chosen to retire after the 1998 season, he wouldn't be eligible. This system favors a career compiler like Kyle Petty over somebody who dominated in a very short career like Dick Hutcherson, and that's stupid. 324. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keep in mind, the hall of fame says "must be a NASCAR driver for 10 years" not "must be a Cup driver" or "must drive in top 3 series" for 3 years. Davey Allison ran his first NASCAR race in the K&N Pro Series West in 1980, and his last in 1993, so that's 13 years (he didn't run in 1982). Kulwicki sits at exactly 10 years, 1984-1993, while Richmond only ran 8 years and Sam Ard 3 years. 325. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I get what you're saying Sean, and I'll admit that Gant and Irvan, maybe Richmond, were probably better than Labonte. But the Hall of Fame isn't based on what might have happened under different circumstances, it's based on what you did. Bobby won 21 times in Cup and won a championship. I'm not saying the other 3 don't belong in, but his resume is at least better than Irvan's and Richmond's, so he should be in before them (not that it matters when someone gets in, as long as they get in.) 326. Seibaru posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @321 And yet, from what I've heard, Buckshot is GLAD to not be racing any longer. I dunno about you, but I don't know if I can like someone who doesn't at least look back on their driving career with a smile and a sigh... 327. Danica10Racer posted: 03.09.2017 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "A driver must have competed in NASCAR for 10 years and have been retired for 3 years." Only 3 more years after this year for Danica. I imagine she will get in. 328. JSPorts posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @327 yes she will, not on talent or stats or anything but just because she's the first woman to run the full Cup schedule. 329. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Labonte certainly had some great races (Dover '99)" I actually forgot for a second that he won this one on fuel mileage, but doesn't it say something for his career that is not so good if one of the first wins that comes to mind as impressive is a fuel mileage win? 330. chevyfan98 posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "A driver must have competed in NASCAR for 10 years and have been retired for 3 years." "Only 3 more years after this year for Danica. I imagine she will get in." So you're admitting Danica's done in NASCAR after this year? 331. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Compare a Bobby Labonte with Geoff Bodine starts in average, for example. And see who is best for HOF, that gives and equals Marty Robbins to Rusty Wallace. 332. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now, I want a comparison of who and the worst / better for Penske in NASCAR, even winning the 500, the aggressive form and the greater number of accidents forms the worst I'm a Hendrick/Petty fan. 333. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Probably a one crew chief, two team builder. 2 drivers and 1 alternative Pepole Will be in HOF at 2017. Harold Kinder? Jim Roper? 334. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Compare a Bobby Labonte with Geoff Bodine starts in average, for example. And see who is best for HOF, that gives and equals Marty Robbins to Rusty Wallace." Average start is not important. Robbins equals Wallace as a Cup driver about as much as Wallace equals Robbins as a country singer, which is to say not at all. "Now, I want a comparison of who and the worst / better for Penske in NASCAR, even winning the 500, the aggressive form and the greater number of accidents forms the worst" Rusty Wallace was Penske's best Cup driver and David Stremme was his worst. I don't think you'll even get DEBATE on this. Keselowski and Logano both have potential to approach Rusty's career maybe 8 or 10 years from now, but they're nowhere near there yet. 335. Sean posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh wait, Bobby Allison drove for Penske for a very brief moment in the mid-'70s. I forgot that. Although he was a better Cup driver than Wallace, his Penske period was such a footnote in his career I still probably pick Rusty. 336. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.09.2017 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I mentoined Brad Sweet in this info about a Other Dirt Track driver to run the Indianapolis 500. Brad Sweet was Near-Similar top 10 for Bryan Clauson in Nationwide career. Brad Sweet got a chance to run the 2017 Indianapolis 500. 337. Eric posted: 03.09.2017 - 9:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) John Holman and Ralph Moody are way more important than Bobby Labonte. John Holman and Ralph Moody were the Co-owners of Holman-Moody. While Holman-Moody won 96 cup races, they actually whole lot more than in NASCAR. They played a huge role for Ford's success in NASCAR by building cars for other Ford Teams in NASCAR including the Wood Brothers. Holman-Moody did play a role in some in the inventions in NASCAR also. Smokey Yunick was a true innovator in NASCAR. His speciality was in Aerodynamics and he was ahead of his time in that department. What did was stuff that wasn't illegal in the rule book when Smokey did it, but it was illegal after Smokey Yunick did it. 338. FamousBlue posted: 03.09.2017 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @334 just to prove you wrong that you won't get debate on it, Travis Kvapil actually had a slightly lower average finish during his one season for Penske-Jasper (if you still count it as being a part of Penske) and finished a spot lower in points. So argument could be made that Kvapil was a worse driver during his brief time at the team :P 339. RaceFanX posted: 03.09.2017 - 9:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Sam Ard 3 years" Sam Ard only ran three years in the Busch series ending in 1984 but he raced its its predecessor the Late Model Sportsman series since it least 1973 based on known records so he is still eligible. He also was involved in non-driving roles for a several years after his crash too. 340. Seibaru posted: 03.09.2017 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...Hang on a second, DID TIDE JUST IMPLY THAT BRAD SWEET IS WORTHY OF THE NASCAR HOF? ...Well, moving on, Danica will be inducted after she retires. She doesn't deserve it, but she will be inducted, mark my words. 341. BMan0213 posted: 03.10.2017 - 3:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) You guys are nuts if you really think Danica could get into the Hall of Fame as is. I could see it maybe happening if she won a race, but that's it. 342. Not Sure posted: 03.10.2017 - 7:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Take a closer look at Bobby's 2002 season. I checked all the races he was more than a few laps down or when his performance was considerably off in one race from tracks with two races. 1 Daytona - involved in big one DNF 4 Atlanta - spun by Spencer on pit road, developed engine issue later as a result 287/325 5 Darlington - involved in 11 car crash while running 5th 289/293 9 Talladega - involved in big one DNF 10 California - early engine issue 240/250 11 Richmond - involved in crash 351/400 14 Pocono - early transmission issue 198/200 17 Daytona - involved in big one 150/160 26 Richmond - caved in the front fender when his brother crashed early in the race 371/400 28 Dover - engine failure DNF 29 Kansas - involved in big lap 7 crash 261/267 35 Phoenix - engine failure DNF No wonder he finished 16th with a list this long. BTW: he wasn't the cause in any of the wrecks listed. 343. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.10.2017 - 7:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @340 I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about drivers who can play the rookie in the 2017 indy 500. 344. JSPorts posted: 03.10.2017 - 8:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @341 I'd be completely against it, but it's going to happen. Even if she retired today, they'd probably change the rule about number of years competed just so she could get in. 345. Mile501 posted: 03.10.2017 - 8:51 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Seriously--this is even a point of discussion? How is Danica in any way worthy of getting into the Hall of Fame? List of Hall of Fame drivers: Wins - Top 5s - Top 10s (Cup Series Only) 200 - 555 - 712 - Richard Petty 105 - 301 - 366 - David Pearson 85 - 336 - 446 - Bobby Allison 84 - 276 - 390 - Darrell Waltrip 83 - 255 - 319 - Cale Yarborough 76 - 281 - 428 - Dale Earnhardt 55 - 202 - 349 - Rusty Wallace 54 - 231 - 332 - Lee Petty 50 - 185 - 239 - Ned Jarrett 50 - 121 - 148 - Junior Johnson 48 - 122 - 156 - Herb Thomas 46 - 246 - 372 - Buck Baker 44 - 175 - 320 - Bill Elliott 40 - 271 - 453 - Mark Martin 39 - 102 - 129 - Tim Flock 37 - 134 - 170 - Bobby Isaac 33 - 93 - 122 - Fireball Roberts 32 - 163 - 260 - Dale Jarrett 28 - 110 - 163 - Rex White 26 - 75 - 84 - Fred Lorenzen 25 - 105 - 153 - Joe Weatherly 22 - 182 - 361 - Terry Labonte 21 - 199 - 283 - Benny Parsons 17 - 54 - 73 - Curtis Turner 9 - 52 - 84 - Cotton Owens 1 - 20 - 147 - Wendell Scott 0 - 6 - 76 - Richard Childress 0 - 1 - 5 - Janet Guthrie [33 starts] 0 - 0 - 6 - Danica Patrick [156 starts] I added Janet Guthrie for comparison, being another woman, because even she has better stats than Danica Patrick. Even Richard Childress, who got in more on the merit of his owner stats than what he did as a driver, had far better driver stats than Danica. And as far as trailblazers go, we could make a comparison with Wendell Scott--who also has far better stats than Danica. 346. Scott B posted: 03.10.2017 - 11:22 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with BMan. If Danica won a Cup race, it would make sense to include her in the HOF discussion. Otherwise, it's a participation award, and other women who've participated before her haven't been honored. Her only other hope would be to have a long career as a broadcaster covering racing (which she has expressed some interest in), or as a team owner (which she has shown zero interest in AFAIK). 347. Danica10Racer posted: 03.10.2017 - 11:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) Danica has more of a cultural impact than any of those other people you are comparing her to. There really is no comparison for Danica, which is why you can't base her HOF entry on just stats alone. She's a trailblazer and a superstar. They will put her in for that alone. She's a superstar in a time when you can say that NASCAR only has 2 left (maybe 3 if you want to argue for 7 time). 348. George posted: 03.10.2017 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) 347 might be the single most idiotic comment in the long line of idiotic comments spewing from that particular source. So now Jimmie Johnson "maybe" outranks NASCAR's Mediocre Goddess. And as far as being a trailblazer, hardly. Wendell Scott was one, Janet Guthrie was one, and don't forget the women who came before Janet. The only distinction for NASCAR's Mediocre Goddess is her alleged "longevity" in a completely undistinguished NASCAR career (not even a fuel mileage win a la the one she lucked into in IndyCar) despite above-average equipment the entire time, which in this case simply means she doesn't know when to quit. Not knowing when to quit (obsession, compulsiveness), like her fanboy/girl on this site also does not, is not a Hall of Fame credential. It's actually just a minor neurosis. But in this case it's harmless enough, as well as a source of entertainment. I mean Danica10Racer of course, not the perennial 24th place driver. 349. Mile501 posted: 03.10.2017 - 11:59 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) So, to copy a portion of my previous comment, here is how a few trailblazers compare: 1 - 20 - 147 - Wendell Scott [495 starts] 0 - 1 - 5 - Janet Guthrie [33 starts] 0 - 0 - 6 - Danica Patrick [156 starts] 350. JSPorts posted: 03.10.2017 - 12:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The definition of "superstar" is "a high-profile and extremely successful performer or athlete." Danica is a star, but not a superstar. A star of something is either high-profile or successful, while a superstar is both. 351. Sean posted: 03.10.2017 - 12:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) From Merriam-Webster's website: superstar 1: a star (as in sports or the movies) who is considered extremely talented, has great public appeal, and can usually command a high salary 2: one that is very prominent or is a prime attraction Danica Patrick is almost all 2. Scott Dixon and Jimmie Johnson are arguably more 1 than 2 (extremely talented but somewhat lacking in public appeal). If you're arguing from the perspective of definition 2, then Patrick is one of the three biggest superstars. However, it's the same sense that Steven Seagal was one of the biggest movie stars in the world despite minimal critical acclaim... 352. Pickles posted: 03.10.2017 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) D10R - Again, to be a star and have a cultural impact you have to be good at what you do. Her being in NASCAR while also having a clothing line and sharing yoga pictures on instagram does not automatically give her 'star' status. Her winning the pole in the 500 was a big moment, but did it impact society like Jackie Robinson being the first black man to play in MLB in over 40 years? No. We remember that moment as significant because he was good at what he did. She is not and will therefore just be more statistics in NASCAR history. Is her Indycar win that significant anymore? Not really, because she has vastly underperformed since then and has shown it was more a fluke than her driving skill. 353. 18fan posted: 03.10.2017 - 12:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And if her impact was so big, you would see more female drivers and that hasn't happened in either NASCAR or IndyCar. 354. JSPorts posted: 03.10.2017 - 12:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since Danica's rookie year in 2013, here are some stats on her: Starts: 146 (T-1st) Wins: 0 (T-24th) Second place finishes: 0 (T-29th) Podiums: 0 (T-38th) Top 5's: 0 (T-41st) Top 10's: 6 (T-31st) Poles: 1 (T-18th) Laps: 40,910 (12th) Laps led: 57 (29th) Running at finish: 129 (17th) Lead lap finishes: 60 (25th) Average start: 24.884 (26th) Average finish: 23.829 (26th) Win %: .0000 (T-22nd) Top 5 %: .0000 (T-30th) Top 10 %: .0411 (26th) Points: 2,822 (25th) Earnings: 7,933,054 (29th) Championships: 0 (T-4th) DNQs: 0 (T-46th) DNFs: 16 (T-6th) Based on these stats, she's been about the 24th best driver in the series over this period. Let's compare this to her team. Since 2013: Starts: SHR: 548; Danica: 146 (27%). So we should expect that she'd be about 27% of SHR's stats. Wins: SHR: 20; Danica: 0 (0%) Top 5s: SHR: 99; Danica: 0 (0%) Top 10s: SHR: 183; Danica: 6 (3%) Poles: SHR: 21; Danica: 1 (5%) Laps led: SHR: 7888; Danica: 57 (1%) Average rank: Other SHR drivers: 9.9; Danica: 25.8 (-15.9) Average start: Other SHR drivers: 12.7; Danica: 25.0 (-12.3) Average finish: Other SHR drivers: 14.7; Danica: 23.8 (-9.1) DNFs: SHR: 54; Danica: 17 (31%) Lead lap finishes: SHR: 332; Danica: 59 (18%) So the only category in which Danica outperforms her teammates is in DNFs...a category you don't want to lead in. 355. Mile501 posted: 03.10.2017 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Number of top 5 finishes by middle/lower-tier drivers who attempted all races between 2013 and 2016: 10 Paul Menard 7 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 6 Austin Dillon (2014-2016 only) 6 Aric Almirola 4 A.J. Allmendinger (missed half of 2013) 2 David Ragan 1 David Gilliland (2013-2015 only) 1 Casey Mears 0 Danica Patrick 356. GoPM27 posted: 03.10.2017 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I got into a Twitter argument last month with Jenna Fryer who insists that Danica is on the "A-List" because of her celebrity status. I also got into it with Matt Yocum last year who tweeted out that I was "a hater". Pathetic. 357. Damon posted: 03.10.2017 - 1:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And if her impact was so big, you would see more female drivers and that hasn't happened in either NASCAR or IndyCar." Just because there aren't more women in Nascar's top 3 series or 2-3 running full-time in IndyCar doesn't mean she hasn't had an impact in racing. It's like saying Tiger Woods in golf and the Williams sisters in tennis haven't had that great an impact on their sport because more people of the race/gender aren't participating. 358. Damon posted: 03.10.2017 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As for Danica and the Nascar HOF discussion, I see her case being more along the lines of Janet Guthrie being nominated for Nascar HOF Landmark Award (two years in a row for her) than getting in on the regular ballot. 359. Mile501 posted: 03.10.2017 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Because his career was cut short, among Hall of Fame drivers, Curtis Turner comes closest to Danica in terms of total career starts (Cup Series only; he had 184 total starts). So let's compare their careers a bit. He had more WINS than she has TOP-15 finishes. He had more TOP-10 finishes than she has TOP-20 finishes. And although she has completed almost twice as many laps as he did, he led 86 TIMES MORE laps than she has led. 360. Scott B posted: 03.10.2017 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Danica would really not be comparable to Wendell Scott even if she matched his stats as a driver. Scott owned and prepared his own cars, and faced serious cultural resistance. Danica leveraged her status as a female driver into sponsorships and top notch rides, and used it as an advantage. It's not like she's being threatened with physically harm every weekend by fans and competitors like Wendell was. 361. Scott B posted: 03.10.2017 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It's like saying Tiger Woods in golf and the Williams sisters in tennis haven't had that great an impact on their sport because more people of the race/gender aren't participating." Again, no. Tiger was the #1 golfer in the world at his peak, and the Williams sisters at the top of the women's tennis ranks. Danica has never been close to being the #1 driver in NASCAR, or even in Indy Car before she crossed over to stock cars. 362. Scott B posted: 03.10.2017 - 3:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #359, Also, the Golden Boy... Fred Lorenzen: 156 starts, 26 wins, 75 top 5's (48%), 32 poles. 363. Tide1732 (GO ENFINGER!!!) posted: 03.10.2017 - 4:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jutta Kleinschmidt: wins the 2001 Rally Dakar in the 'cars' Shawna Robinson: Acumulated most positions than Danica and a 1 Pole/Runner-up Danica Patrick: Wins the Motegi race. More about winning womans? 364. Damon posted: 03.10.2017 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Again, no. Tiger was the #1 golfer in the world at his peak, and the Williams sisters at the top of the women's tennis ranks." Actually, yes I was talking about the overall impact made from them in their sports outside of the result. 365. Josh posted: 03.10.2017 - 4:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There were women driving in auto racing long before Danica was even a thought. 366. Suburban Shaman posted: 03.10.2017 - 4:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The fact that the R&R HOF has never even considered inducting Joy Division,The Smiths, The Cure and taking SO long to put Rush in shows what a joke they are. 367. Seibaru posted: 03.10.2017 - 5:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @365 This. There were women racing cars and airplanes in the 1910s. Shawna Robinson actually has a win, in fact, she has three of them (in the Dash Series, or, in the words of JCM, the 'Loser Series'). Wonder what D10R thinks of this... 368. Sean posted: 03.10.2017 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "The fact that the R&R HOF has never even considered inducting Joy Division,The Smiths, The Cure and taking SO long to put Rush in shows what a joke they are." Smiths and Cure and Replacements and Depeche Mode and even Bad Brains have been nominated, not inducted. Blame the voters, not the nominating committee. Their big biases used to be prog rock and heavy metal, which critics historically didn't like, but now the biggest oversight seems to be punk/new wave/alternative acts that never attained mass mainstream popularity in the US. Most of those alt acts that did have major hits got in quickly (R.E.M., Pretenders, Clash, Blondie, Elvis Costello, Talking Heads, R.E.M., U2, Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam but strangely not The Cars or The Cure or Depeche Mode or Devo or The B-52s), but those that never became massively popular in the mainstream in the U.S. (except for the Sex Pistols and Ramones, whose influence was too big to ignore) did not. I also think those bands aren't in because they generally don't like synthesized sounds (Kraftwerk isn't in yet, and is probably keeping most of the British alternative acts they influenced out.) They mostly have a bias towards mainstream American guitar rock and don't like keyboard sounds (which probably explains why those specific new wave acts are being snubbed even though they were popular here.) I didn't say they didn't have an outrageous bias. My point is that even though they do have significant biases, they still have better eligibility rules than the NASCAR Hall of Fame, and that's a major strike against the NASCAR HoF. 369. Sean posted: 03.10.2017 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "D10R - Again, to be a star and have a cultural impact you have to be good at what you do." No, you don't. You can just be famous for being famous and still have a cultural impact. Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, and Miley Cyrus whether I or others like them are superstars. It is in that sense that Danica IS a superstar. But you have to differentiate between one's actual talent and impact on the culture. Helio Castroneves is more famous than PLENTY of IndyCar contemporaries who were better than him solely because he appeared on Dancing with the Stars. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. is more famous than a lot of drivers who were better than him. You can be a superstar in terms of fame without being talented. You can be respected for your talent without being a commercial superstar. The one has little to do with the other. Let me repeat what I said on the Danica Patrick comment section when one of her fans sneered at people who thought Josef Newgarden was a bigger star: "Three times as many wins in fewer starts in worse cars against stronger fields and has shown the ability to dominate on all types of tracks when Patrick hasn't really had a dominant run ever in any series. Um, yeah. He is a star in terms of talent. Being a star in terms of crossover celebrity is something different, and no, I don't expect Newgarden to attract a mainstream audience as likable and talented and modest as he is, but how many people do attract a mainstream audience by being likable, talented, or modest these days?" But just because she isn't the most talented doesn't mean she's not a superstar. It seems what becomes popular in almost every medium has less to do with talent than it did in the early '90s or earlier, but you CAN be a superstar or cultural icon without major talent. 370. Pickles posted: 03.10.2017 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lumping Kim Kardashian, and Paris Hilton with Britney Spears, and Miley Cyrus is a bit of a stretch don't you think? Britney and Miley both have had hit songs and been #1 in the charts, Kim and Paris are socialites who leech money and have done nothing. You can't maintain star status and keep underperforming, and a name alone does not make a star. (IE Kyle Petty was a star when he first broke into NASCAR because of his last name) As of now, Danica has stayed the limelight so long and has underachieved so much that any impact she may have had is being rendered negligible. Danica's days of coasting off her Indycar win and 500 pole are over, and have been for some time; it's put up or shut up for her Take Brian Bosworth for example, there was a time he was a megastar and set NCAA records people thought would always be remembered as a launching pad towards a hall of fame career. Nowadays no-one remembers a thing about him because he was such a flop in the NFL. 371. Danica10Racer posted: 03.10.2017 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Obviously she is talented though. She's won in Indycar and she's currently in NASCAR's top series. 372. Niles Y93 posted: 03.10.2017 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @371 So did Sam Hornish, Jr. 373. Seibaru posted: 03.10.2017 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @371 Again, she used to be talented. Anyone who can hold their ground against Jon Fogarty and Dinger is quite good. And look how far she's fallen, she's nothing but a midfielder with an unlikeable personality. ...Still, I'd sooner talk with you than what's his face. 374. Danica10Racer posted: 03.10.2017 - 9:43 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "And look how far she's fallen, she's nothing but a midfielder with an unlikeable personality." If she had as much of an unlikeable personality as you portray her to have then she wouldn't have the fanbase she does. There are plenty of "women" racers trying to make it in NASCAR. If being a woman was enough to have a huge following, there would be plenty of women worse off than Danica in the top series (Ruston, Robinson, etc.) 375. Mile501 posted: 03.10.2017 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) "Obviously she is talented though. She's won in Indycar and she's currently in NASCAR's top series." Simply "being in" NASCAR's top series doesn't mean a whole lot of anything. See: Kevin Conway, Larry Foyt, Kirk Shelmerdine, Gray Gaulding, and others. 376. Pickles posted: 03.10.2017 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) Why did you put women in quotation marks? That would imply you think they are transexuals or something. Racers should be in quotes. 377. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 03.11.2017 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Update #55 Wade Tractor & Equipment/AdrenalinPWR.com/New Holland/Polarus 378. Tyson posted: 04.03.2017 - 9:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) There's a typo on Almirola's sponsor. Should be 'Waffle House.' 379. Anonymous posted: 12.09.2020 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mike Joy, Darrell Waltrip and Jeff Gordon were the commentators. Matt Yocum, Jamie Little and Vince Welch were the pit road reporters. Larry McReynolds was the in-race analyst. Chris Myers and Michael Waltrip were in the Hollywood hotel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: