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  1.   95McDowellFan posted:
  08.01.2017 - 8:52 am
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Great job NASCAR you finally did it, you got your "full field"

But wasn't Bilicki supposed to be in the #51?


  2.   Tide1732 posted:
  08.01.2017 - 9:58 am
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3 Drivers did not make the list

#51 Bilicki
#55 Sorenson
#83 Brett Moffitt (Yes, Is rumored to entry list, And now is out)


  3.   Josh posted:
  08.01.2017 - 9:58 am
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This tells me that NASCAR has made it really financially not worth it
for the non-chartered teams to simply even show up to run a few laps and
finish last for a payout.

At this point it's just a question to the race fans of, do you want a
bigger, more watered down field, with the extra cars either parking or
getting in the way, or do you want a smaller, more competitive field?


  4.   NASCAR Man posted:
  08.01.2017 - 9:58 am
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36 cars? Come on, we want a full field!


  5.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  08.01.2017 - 10:34 am
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I don't mind a short field, but not this short. Less than 38 cars is
ridiculous to me.


  6.   Josh posted:
  08.01.2017 - 10:49 am
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Haha.

*cars start and park*

Fans: "I hate start and parks! NASCAR needs to do something about this!"

*short fields*

Fans: "We want a full field!"

..................................


  7.   Scott B posted:
  08.01.2017 - 11:26 am
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NASCAR didn't end start and parks because of fan complaints.

They stopped public disclosure of monetary awards to teams, installed
the charter system, and cut the payments to non-chartered teams.

What fans wanted had nothing to do with this. This is what the team
owners wanted to seal off the sport from outsiders, for their own
financial benefit.


  8.   95McDowellFan posted:
  08.01.2017 - 11:27 am
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What was the last race with only 36 cars?


  9.   Anonymous posted:
  08.01.2017 - 11:27 am
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^^^^ it's a no win situation. I personally would rather see a full field
with start and park teams then this 36 only charter car teams.


  10.   Mile501 posted:
  08.01.2017 - 11:58 am
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#3 - "At this point it's just a question to the race fans of, do you
want a bigger, more watered down field, with the extra cars either
parking or getting in the way, or do you want a smaller, more
competitive field?"

I really wouldn't mind having 36 quality teams out there, and we really
aren't too far away from that. (I'd say we have 33 this year--30 of
which have scored at least 1 top-10 finish, and the other 3 at least
have a few top-20s.) I don't think it is necessarily worse to have fewer
cars, if they're of a higher quality. Still, I dislike the charter
system that is ultimately causing all of this.


  11.   Josh posted:
  08.01.2017 - 12:01 pm
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The Martinsville fall race in 1996 was the last Cup race with 36 cars
running.


  12.   Jonathan King posted:
  08.01.2017 - 12:01 pm
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Nascar has screwed up our sport. It has not been the same since 2003,
before the chase era, and if Nascar doesnt change spmething to go back
to the old ways of Bascar, fans will be out of the sport by 2025.


  13.   Epic posted:
  08.01.2017 - 12:54 pm
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I don't mind a short field. I wouldn't mind if the field got down to 30
cars. And this goes for national series of NASCAR and trucks should
probably should have a 25 truck limit. Let's face it, the bottom 10
drivers don't have any business being in the top level of Motorsport. A
lot of them are merely s&p's or moving chicanes. Quality over quantity.


  14.   NewJack posted:
  08.01.2017 - 1:20 pm
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Short fields are fine, but it does lose a small, yet fun part of the
sport. Back in the day, you'd have small teams who ran like garbage most
weeks (if they ran at all). Then one week they would have lightning in a
bottle and have a run where they would not only finish in the Top 10,
but qualified and spent most of the race there. Not lucking out in the
end, which is how most bottom teams get their Top 10s now. Some examples
include:

Dick Trickle - 1997 Goodys 500 (Bristol) Started 4th Finished 3rd for
Donlavey
Hut Stricklin - 1996 Southern 500 (Darlington) Started 10th Finished 3rd
for Stavola Bros.
Tony Raines - 2003 Pop Secret 400 (Rockingham) Started 4th Finished 6th
for BACE Motorsports

This doesn't really happen in NASCAR anymore, and it's pretty
unfortunate. Sure, underdogs finish in the Top 5/10 on occasion, but 9
times out of 10 it is by luck, either the field wrecking or pit strategy.


  15.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  08.01.2017 - 1:56 pm
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Despite the short field 33 out of 36 cars I could see pulling off a good
run. 33, 15, and 23 will be the bottom 3 cars majority of the race


  16.   Matt L posted:
  08.01.2017 - 3:02 pm
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I've always found the number of cars to be appealing. Besides the 24
Hours of Daytona, the car count distinguishes NASCAR from other forms of
professional motorsports.


  17.   Sector posted:
  08.01.2017 - 3:14 pm
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Eh, this would also make the points battle in the standings during
regular season tighter if they were to decrease down to 30 cars only.


  18.   Clint posted:
  08.01.2017 - 3:48 pm
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10 years ago Furniture Row started as a glorified start and park team
and now they have the points leader and the rookie of the year points
leader on their team. To a lesser extent Front Row Motorsports and
Levine Family Racing.
You can rail on s&p teams all that you want but if Nascar doesn't want
new teams that don't have huge budgets around the sport is going to die.
Look at SHR they only have 2 of 4 cars sponsored. Hendrick has sponsor
issues, every time a big money team has come into the sport full guns
ablaze they've burned out quickly. Look at Ginn Racing or Turner.

Those also rans are a healthy sign of the sport and Nascar eliminating
them is putting one of their feet in the grave. If Nascar had this
system a decade ago they would be without at least 5 full time chartered
teams that currently run every week and have contended for and won races.


  19.   Ak47 posted:
  08.01.2017 - 4:41 pm
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The good thing I'll say about the charter system is that it forces all
of its members to be totally committed to their performance in the Cup
series.

Before, there were certainly less than 30 legitimate teams out there any
given week, and now, looking at this week's lineup of solely charters,
the only teams that are simple incapable of performing are the 15, 23,
and 33.

Teams like FRM and Go Fas have solidified themselves as scrappy
underfunded teams that can make good runs when the circumstances line
up, and the new Tri-Star team has been surprisingly competitive with the
back half of the field as well.

Overall, there are no s&ps among the charters and you get 36 teams who
are very results-oriented, with only a few which are truly unable to
compete.

If anything can still be said about Cup, it's that the field depth is
good right now.

There are 19 very competitive cars out there (6 TRD, 4 HMS, 4 SHR, 3
Penske, 2 CGR), more than half the field, and 14 more
reasonably-competitive machines that are capable of decent runs (5
RCR/Germain/Leavine, 2 RFR, 2 JTG, 2 FRM, RPM, Go Fas, Tri-Star).

Charters have honestly only taken out a few crappy cars from the back
and eliminated the s&p practice, which hasn't hurt the product aside
from giving less drivers opportunities to keep their names relevant from
field-filler seats.


  20.   Jonathan King posted:
  08.01.2017 - 5:15 pm
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@18 actually, Jones is behind in rookie standings by 10 points.


  21.   Sector posted:
  08.01.2017 - 5:15 pm
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"10 years ago Furniture Row started as a glorified start and park team
and now they have the points leader and the rookie of the year points
leader on their team."

Daniel Suarez is leading Erik Jones by 10 points in the Rookie Standings
right now.


  22.   Tide1732 posted:
  08.01.2017 - 5:15 pm
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2018

#12 Blaney > #27 Charter

#35 FRM > #51 Charter

#44 RPM > #66 Charter

#23 AND #96 GMS > 23/83 BKR Charter

#27 OR #73 (Tristar?) #77? Or One of premium charters #15/#55


  23.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.01.2017 - 5:16 pm
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"10 years ago Furniture Row started as a glorified start and park team
and now they have the points leader and the rookie of the year points
leader on their team."

And that scared bigger teams. Yet the current big teams all started
small so there is a bit of a double standard.

"They stopped public disclosure of monetary awards to teams, installed
the charter system, and cut the payments to non-chartered teams."

Don't you mean Rob K. did it? Ever since the charters were in place all
the stuff you mentioned stopped. it isn't NASCARs fault. Pretty sure
everyone from NASCAR too the teams signed a NDA. if anything got out Rob
K. could sue the pants off of them.

"This tells me that NASCAR has made it really financially not worth it
for the non-chartered teams to simply even show up to run a few laps and
finish last for a payout."

Again Rob K. did it. He made it not worth it too show unless you have a
charter. Pretty sure he gets a cut from when a charter gets leased or
bought. Yeah I have no evidence but NO ONE should give the Snake Oil
Salesmen Extrodaniare the benefit of the doubt. He has too get back all
the money he spent on Mikey and worthless ass.


  24.   Clint posted:
  08.01.2017 - 5:17 pm
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19, I dont agree, look at 2006 there were 38 drivers that scored a top
10 finish. Now theres not even 38 cars that are showing up week to week.
2016 there were 31 drivers that scored top 10s and 3 were with the 88 team.

There was never an epidemic of start and park that was so rampant that
there were fewer than 36 cars running the distance intentionally. Even
the so called start and parkers stuck it out for good runs on occasion.
Kirk Shelmerdine with a top 20 in the Daytona 500 and Kevin Lepage in
that garbage 37 getting a top 10.

Less competition is not a good thing except for the people that it is
protecting. Even then an argument can be made that fewer cars gives
fewer opportunities to drivers which gives fewer opportunities for
bigger teams to identify proven drivers.

Also its kind of gross to read articles like the Gray Gaulding BK Racing
lawsuit for the driver is responsible for buying the seat and making
payments to the team. I sincerely hope this model does not trickle to
the more competitive teams but with SHR's sponsorship problems and the
like I could see this happening more and more.


  25.   Scott B posted:
  08.01.2017 - 5:39 pm
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"Don't you mean Rob K. did it?"

Yes, he was the mastermind.

Rumor has it the non-chartered cars get about 25% of what a chartered
team would be paid out for the same finishing position.

It's a system designed to maintain the status quo.


  26.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  08.01.2017 - 6:57 pm
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Furniture Row was never a start and park team


  27.   Sean posted:
  08.01.2017 - 7:01 pm
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"Hut Stricklin - 1996 Southern 500 (Darlington) Started 10th Finished
3rd for Stavola Bros."

Stricklin finished 2nd. It's very weird he significantly improved upon
Jeff Burton that season...


  28.   95McDowellFan posted:
  08.01.2017 - 7:07 pm
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#83 is entered as TBA


  29.   Tide1732 posted:
  08.01.2017 - 7:26 pm
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#83 Could Be a truck driver, Regan Smith/Brett Moffitt/Or a road course
driver like Brian Simo.

Or a att Buschwacker Like Timmy Hill or a Rookie (Harrison Rhodes)

Such the #55 Could Be Reed Sorenson.


  30.   Anonymous posted:
  08.01.2017 - 7:50 pm
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No 51?


  31.   Tide1732 posted:
  08.01.2017 - 7:50 pm
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@14 Remmember the Cris Buescher pocono win last year, Trevor Bayne
Daytona 500 win in 2011, And Austn Dillon win in this year.


  32.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  08.01.2017 - 8:06 pm
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It's not the short fields that bother me, it's the charter system. The
charter system pretty much blocks anyone from starting a team in the
sport unless they have BIG BUCKS. Other series don't do this.


  33.   95McDowellFan posted:
  08.01.2017 - 8:06 pm
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@30 Hopefully they add as a late addition, considering Josh Bilicki was
supposed to race the #51 in this race


  34.   Ultimate Warrior #18 posted:
  08.01.2017 - 11:10 pm
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@26 Furniture Row actually did start and park in the Busch series in
there early days with Jerry Robertson as the driver but they never
knowingly did start and park in cup.


  35.   NASCAR Man posted:
  08.02.2017 - 8:04 am
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I wish teams like Richard Petty Motorsports still had 4 cars. Or Roush
Fenway had 5 full time cars.


  36.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  08.02.2017 - 11:48 am
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83 team has been added


  37.   Ak47 posted:
  08.02.2017 - 3:12 pm
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With Moffitt added in the 83, the dreaded 36-car field is postponed
another couple weeks... It'll happen, be certain of that.


  38.   Brandon posted:
  08.02.2017 - 3:28 pm
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"The dreaded 36 car field" I haven't laughed that hard in a week. It's
kind of sad when we have the most competitive season in 16 years but all
people can focus on is having fluctuating field sizes.


  39.   Lucstar88 posted:
  08.02.2017 - 5:07 pm
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BTW, they announced the Overtime Line will be moved to the S/F line
starting this weekend. Basically we're back to the old GWC rules.


  40.   joey2448 posted:
  08.02.2017 - 5:30 pm
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@39, yep. NASCAR is right back where they started. They just don't want
to admit that, so they're billing this as a new change to the OT rules.


  41.   Altracing posted:
  08.02.2017 - 5:34 pm
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39
Except if the caution comes out during a green white checkered and they
don't take the white flag they do the restart again instead of ending
the race. It's once the leader takes the white flag it's an official
overtime restart


  42.   95McDowellFan posted:
  08.02.2017 - 5:47 pm
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Brett Moffit in the #83


  43.   Jonathan King posted:
  08.02.2017 - 5:47 pm
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@29, you guessed it right with Moffitt in the 83. He will be in the 83
at Watkins Glen and at Michigan.


  44.   33kalam posted:
  08.02.2017 - 7:48 pm
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The last time a point paying Cup race started with 36 cars or less was
at Martinsville both spring and fall 1996


  45.   1995z71 posted:
  08.02.2017 - 10:07 pm
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36 Cars? NASCAR is a dying sport


  46.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  08.03.2017 - 12:05 am
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@38 I think people are upset about the shorter fields is because it
doesn't show a good sign about the future od nascar. BK racing looks
like they are closings it's doors, the #10 and #5 may not even race next
year. After that I think were down to 33 full time teams which is not
necessarily good for the sport


  47.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  08.03.2017 - 12:06 am
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Smart move by nascar to move the overtime line back to the S/F line.
While it'll probably still have some controversy, such as the caution
coming out right before or after the S/F line.


  48.   42KylePetty42 posted:
  08.03.2017 - 1:00 am
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"36 Cars? NASCAR is a dying sport"

More so, the leaders and people in charge of NASCAR have made it where
you can't just build a car and go attempt to race. They want to be
"Fancy" make everything so expensive there is no interest anymore in
atarting a new team. Long gone are the blue collar working men coming
into the sport like Dave Marcis, Richard Childress etc... did years ago.
NASCAR has screwed themselves


  49.   Doug posted:
  08.03.2017 - 8:15 am
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""The dreaded 36 car field" I haven't laughed that hard in a week. It's
kind of sad when we have the most competitive season in 16 years but all
people can focus on is having fluctuating field sizes. "

Competitive only by the screwy measure of number of winners, which only
underlines the vast number of back @$$wards races run, like
Crappy-anappy, Charlotte, and Talladega.


  50.   Corey posted:
  08.03.2017 - 8:36 am
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@48. That is not a NASCAR problem, that is a proffesional racing
problem. Everything you said can be applied to both Indycar and Formula
1 as well.


  51.   JSPorts posted:
  08.03.2017 - 9:17 am
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Yeah, this season hasn't been nearly as competitive as it would seem.
There have been a lot of fluke winners, but almost half the laps have
been led by the same two drivers.


  52.   Nascar Lead Lap Points posted:
  08.03.2017 - 9:43 am
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Brett Moffitt will be in the 83 with sponsorship from JAS Expedited
Trucking


  53.   {}{}{}{}{} posted:
  08.03.2017 - 9:46 am
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@45 I know I'll probably get dislikes like you, but I agree. I don't get
why NASCAR fans don't see how much this sport has fell. It still has at
least 10 years left but as a buisness all NASCAR wants is to get as much
money as possible, that's why no one goes to races, because it's
overpriced and the races aren't even that exciting. It is also very hard
to follow because of all the rule changes, why did we ever need
"playoffs"? Why did we ever need stages? Making fluke finishes with more
crashes will make more fans? No. All it did was make the diehard and
loyal fans dissapeer and added very few who will eventually grow out of
NASCAR. Some people like to ignore it but if you honestly don't think
NASCAR has fallen at least a little bit you need to get a grip on
reality. Just saying :P


  54.   Tide1732 posted:
  08.03.2017 - 9:47 am
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Next year will get 40 fields again, With a possibility to 41 cars.

Go

#12 sells #27 Charter

GMS

#23 (The same #23 BKR Charter)
#30 or #98 (Sells the #83 BKR Charter)

Rest
#35 (Charter returned, Possibility to Premium shut down or sell the #15
or #55 charter)
#44 (Charter returned, Probably sells rest of TBR #7 charter)
#51? (Same charter - Can sell the #55 charter or get a Circle Sport charter)
#73 (Tri-star) - Sells a Carl Long charter - Probably, Or a Rick Ware
charter)


  55.   Mile501 posted:
  08.03.2017 - 10:47 am
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If not for unnecessary cautions (including stage cautions), would we
have had so many fluke winners? In some cases, I wonder, would the
drivers who got those wins have even been on the lead lap towards the
end of the race?


  56.   Altracing posted:
  08.03.2017 - 11:07 am
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Just wanted to say I'm not sure if I'll be able to comment on the race
this weekend or next because I'm leaving with my family for Ireland
today for a family wedding but hopefully I'll be able to get some
internet connection and watch the next two races and comment on them


  57.   Frnknstnp421 posted:
  08.03.2017 - 1:41 pm
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I understand that putting a car on the track is expensive, much less
making it competitive, but why? Can't we go back to the days where they
all ran factory motors? They would be cheap and perfectly even if NASCAR
didn't ever let the teams take them apart. Same with transmissions, rear
gears, and the cooling system. Sure the cars may be a bit slower, but it
would be fair, cheap, and have full competitive fields. This would also
fix the issue of having mediocre drivers with money make it into the cup
series while poor talented drivers are watching. The top tier teams
should still reign because they have depth to their teams so they can
put young drivers in Arca and K&N for years to build them to be better
drivers. I know this is radical, but this would draw fans, sponsors, and
more talent.


  58.   Jim Davis posted:
  08.03.2017 - 2:48 pm
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Your car has a factory motor. What speed can you get it up to?


  59.   Danish Pie posted:
  08.03.2017 - 5:23 pm
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Apparently all the cars in the field will have a decal commemorating
former team owner Harry Scott who passed on Wednesday.
I guess Mark Smith meant nothing to this sport. Good job NASCAR.


  60.   Matthew Tesfaye posted:
  08.03.2017 - 6:50 pm
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2018: Stephen Harper forms a NASCAR Cup Series Team with the following
drivers

83- Cameron hayley
15- Cayden Lapevich
96 - D.J. Kennington
93- Martin Roy


  61.   Matthew Tesfaye posted:
  08.03.2017 - 6:58 pm
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Stephen Harper is a great guy.


  62.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  08.03.2017 - 9:33 pm
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@57 Could go even further and just use regular cars. The ford fusion and
Toyota Camry would need to have a V8 engine to meet specs (chevy SS
already has a 6.2L V8 version) and you'd need to have upgraded safety
specs.


  63.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  08.03.2017 - 9:39 pm
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62
Putting the stock back in Stock Car Racing


  64.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  08.03.2017 - 11:01 pm
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Hamlin on baby watch.
Everyone's favorite substitute driver is on standby


  65.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.04.2017 - 12:22 am
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Regan Smith is indeed on standby. We'll have to see who'll be in the #11
on Sunday.


  66.   Leo posted:
  08.04.2017 - 1:01 am
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@58 - What comment 57 is referring to is a spec series, where all of the
cars are identical. There are pros and cons to a spec / parity series
compared to a series with development, but I feel that NASCAR is
probably a form of motorsport that would suit spec racing rather well.


  67.   Leo posted:
  08.04.2017 - 3:48 am
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Crew chief for the #77 will be Australian James Small, who's career
highlight was a Bathurst 1000 victory in 2013 with Mark Winterbottom and
Steven Richards and he is the current 2IC for the #77.

http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/08/04/ex-supercars-engineer-ready-nascar-chance/


  68.   Stewart14rocks posted:
  08.04.2017 - 7:32 am
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Personally i feel like spec series take away alot from the engineers. If
there was one manufacture per team and let's say you had 10-15
manufactures that would be cool.


  69.   Frnknstnp421 posted:
  08.04.2017 - 7:33 am
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The safety of the current cars shouldn't be compromised so things like a
window net, fuel cell, and lack of doors should remain. Stock motors
need to be similar, but the chevy 6.2L would be good in something (SS is
not being produced in 2018).

The big problem here is still cost. If the cars were cheaper, we would
have a full field for sure. They may not all be competitive under the
current rules, but there would be plenty of cars. I know some of you
will disagree, but I do believe that the cars are more even now than
they were 5 or 10 years ago.


  70.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  08.04.2017 - 7:33 am
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@53 Nascar made a simple sport and made it more complicated.


  71.   Matthew posted:
  08.04.2017 - 9:58 am
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Stephen Harper is back!! He will form a team soon


  72.   Jonathan King posted:
  08.04.2017 - 1:29 pm
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@71, who is Spencer Harper


  73.   Spen posted:
  08.04.2017 - 1:50 pm
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After Stephen Liecht's return last week, and with BK running Brett
Moffitt this week, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that next
week they'll bring in Kevin Conway.


  74.   JSPorts posted:
  08.04.2017 - 2:39 pm
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I hope you're wrong. Conway didn't have near the talent Moffitt or
Leicht have. Besides, the only reason he even made it to Cup was because
of money.


  75.   TeamDCR fan posted:
  08.04.2017 - 9:34 pm
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Conway ExTenze his Cup career


  76.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.04.2017 - 11:34 pm
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Teams are the ones spending themselves into oblivion. Ray Evernham said
something in about 2004 that "once money and expenses line up we are
screwed." NASCAR can only do so much. Everything that is said about
going back too "stock cars" costs guess what... money. Auto Manus aren't
going too foot the bill, sponsers aren't, NASCAR isn't. And guess what
teams will not either.

There are big expenses in racing. Tires is one, engines are another and
one other thing.... AERODYNAMICS. Teams spend a boat load of money on
aero. Aerodynamics has made racing expensive. Now NASCAR could ban wind
tunnels and all things aero related. But teams will still spend that
money else where.

One teams owners suggested that NASCAR put in a spending cap. That isn't
enforceable by a long shot. Other motorsports have tried it and it
didn't even get off the drawing board.

I have a few suggestions:
1. Limit the teams too 6 bodies, engines and chassis for the year. Let
the teams keep a few older cars for Pole race and All-star race and
Daytona 500. BTW those 6 engines, bodies and chassis would be certified
by NASCAR too use. BTW V8 Supercars uses a similar system.

2. Ban wind tunnels, LISs and all that other crap that mimics NASCARs
inspection process. Because teams do mimic NASCARs tech inspection.

3. Only bring 1 car too the track. But an extra engine and other pieces
that make the car go and safe can be brought. (And no extra noses, and
body panels like NASCAR bans now).

4. Bring back Bias Ply tires. Have the tires last a 100 laps instead of
the like 30 or 40 laps like they do now. And limit how many sets they
can have (adjusted for tracks with high tire wear).

Those are about the simpilest ways of going about "cost saving." Because
it really wouldn't be "cost saving."


  77.   chevyfan98 posted:
  08.04.2017 - 11:47 pm
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I believe Moffitt was already announced to be in the #83 at Michigan.


  78.   Stewart14Rocks posted:
  08.05.2017 - 1:18 am
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If you let the free market handle it at some point the price of the cars
will go down. As more teams will shut down along with dropping tv
ratings and attendance will make nascar teams less valuable (lets say a
team costs's 20mil to run in 2017 could cost 10mil in 2020)


  79.   Anthony posted:
  08.05.2017 - 9:36 am
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Lowest car count in a Watkins Glen race since the series returned to the
track in 1986


  80.   possum posted:
  08.05.2017 - 1:51 pm
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#57 - when do you think NASCAR cars had "factory motors"? Other than
Johnny Mantz's stove-bolt six, I can't think of a time. Guys like Smokey
Yunick gained their fame for being able to rebuild a "factory" motor
with non-factory parts - something which was necessary even in the 50's
for an engine to last a race distance. And by the 60's Ford, GM, and
Chrysler were building entire "race-only" motors - "for sale to the
public" only if you knew the right person to ask, otherwise "sorry, out
of stock".

Now, what NASCAR should do to control costs is not to restrict the
motor, but simply require stock body dimensions. Strictly - including
ground clearance. Take away the incentive to spend millions in the wind
tunnel trying to tweak the NASCAR designed (badly designed, incidently)
body. Take away the incentive to spend hours on the shaker rig trying to
keep the left front corner dragging the track. Put the car up in the air
like a true stock car, and all the evils and expense of aero design and
testing disappear.

Of course, it'll never happen. It would require NASCAR to admit they
were wrong with the CoT, wrong to require a common NASCAR designed (bady
designed) chassis, wrong to require a common, NASCAR designed (badly
designed) body. NASCAR is not good at admitting they were wrong.


  81.   Jim Davis posted:
  08.05.2017 - 6:03 pm
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"Put the car up in the air like a true stock car, and all the evils and
expense of aero design and testing disappear.

Of course, it'll never happen."

And we know why it will never happen. It will never happen because
putting a car up in the air greatly increases its chances of becoming
airborne and thereby increasing the chances of getting spectators killed.

NASCAR is facing a lot of problems. We need to stop pretending that
NASCAR is a collection of idiots who just can't see the simple solutions
all of us can. I don't agree with every change they've made, or even
most of them, but I can usually see where they're coming from. Solutions
like "ban cup drivers from the lower series" and "raise the ride height"
are addressing symptoms, not problems.


  82.   JSPorts posted:
  08.05.2017 - 8:01 pm
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I don't think it's unreasonable to want them to get rid of the splitter,
or to want the cars to look a little more like actual stock cars, though.


  83.   Stan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 1:19 am
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A lot of you have made some valid points about how NASCAR is dying as a
sport. Here's my take.

Did we need "stage breaks"? No. But we got them anyway, and the NASCAR
drivers/personalities were all in favor of it. Whatever happened to
letting races play out naturally? Even if a guy wins by 10+ seconds, at
least he earned it by having the car to beat. I used to like the GWC
finish, but it has been abused so much that I'm ready to see races end
at the regularly scheduled distance.

Did we need a "Chase Grid"? No. But we got it anyway. Even the first
iteration of the playoffs from 2004-2010, at least you knew what you had
to do to clinch the championship if you led the final race of the year,
and there was nearly a championship clinched before the season finale in
2008. Even if my driver was to win the title, it wouldn't be the same as
if he won it by running well throughout the entire season.

It would be pretty upsetting to be potentially as high as 10th or 12th
in points and miss out on the "playoffs" to a guy who got a fluke win,
but was outside the top 25 and would not have contended anyway.

Did we need "Charters"? No. But we got them anyway, because Rob Kauffman
apparently knows best for race teams. Apparently, shutting out underdog
teams and stopping them from moving up to Cup so that the rich can get
richer is apparently a wonderful idea to him.

I missed the Xfinity race at the Glen yesterday, and honestly, I could
have cared less. I just can't get into NASCAR anymore like I used to. I
thought that I was going to be missing a lot more races than I did, yet
I've only missed a handful across all three series.

I wish one of the legends of the sport like Cale Yarborough, Junior
Johnson, etc., would call out Brian France & Co. for what they've been
doing. But knowing how things run, they'd get fined for "conduct
detrimental to NASCAR".

With each puzzling decision NASCAR makes, it's becoming more and more
clear that they have not listened to the fan council and only care about
the almighty dollar.

The brass has no idea how much it hurts for someone to be a loyal fan
for 30+ years to be told in a condescending way by a radio host "It's
not your time anymore."

The brass has no idea how much it hurts to put time and effort into a
car and never get to start up a team because of this Charter System, or
be an underfunded driver with a lot of talent, and never get a shot at
the big time because ride-buyers take all the good equipment.

In the near future, car fields will dwindle to less than 36 full time
entries, because the lower budget Charter teams will eventually fall off.

Races will start even later (Think 4pm start for the Daytona 500, and
summer races like Indy, Michigan, etc.) The drivers don't like the late
starts, but NASCAR will go with them anyway.

NASCAR will keep the "Chase Grid" for a few more years and add another
stage to break each race into four "quarters" with a "halftime break" at
the halfway point. They will inevitably add podiums before too long as well.

Ratings will continue to drop, and more fans will continue to leave a
once-proud sport in droves.

But the powers that be will keep insisting that NASCAR is at is best
growth period. I know that we have a strong youth movement, but even if
guys like Ryan Blaney, Bubba Wallace, Chase Elliott, Erik Jones, and
Kyle Larson are competing for wins each week in the near future, who
will be around to see it?

NASCAR has basically became automotive entertainment, and it's really
sad to see. Over the years, I've put time and effort into watching races
on beautiful days where I could have done other activities. I hate the
fact that NASCAR is a shell of its former shelf.

I just hope NASCAR can change before it's too late, but I'm starting to
lose hope, and I see why other fans are leaving too.


  84.   Sector posted:
  08.06.2017 - 12:23 pm
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Did they just say how emotional Boris Said is this weekend during
qualifying because this is final NASCAR Cup series race? This is what,
retirement # 5,000?


  85.   Sector posted:
  08.06.2017 - 1:03 pm
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Kyle Busch wins his third consecutive pole and career best 6th of the
season, edging out Kyle Larson. Busch edged Larson out from sweeping the
Road Course poles of the 2017 season as Larson won the Sonoma pole.


  86.   Altracing posted:
  08.06.2017 - 2:08 pm
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Still in Ireland don't know how much of the race I'll be able to see but
I'm still going to make my prediction and I'm going with Truex for the race


  87.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 2:15 pm
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Today's race will take place before a sellout crowd at the Glen for the
third year in a row. Nice to see the fans still flocking to NASCAR at
this track.

The prerace show for this one featured Boris Said taking NBCSN's
Rutledge Wood out in a Camaro convertible for a prerecorded drive around
the original Watkins Glen street circuit from the late 1940s that
predated this track.


  88.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:29 pm
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We're racing at the Glen. It's Kyle Busch, Martin Truex, Jr. and Kyle
Larson 1-2-3 during the opening laps with Chase Elliott nipping at
Larson's heels. Trevor Bayne pitted right as the green flag flew.


  89.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:29 pm
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Canadian NASCAR Pinty's Series racer Gary Klutt is making his Cup debut
today. He also did the K&N East race at the Glen earlier this weekend.


  90.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:31 pm
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NBCSN has a unique coverage approach for this race. They are doing the
race coverage somewhat similar to a radio broadcast, announcers are
positioned all around the track and alternate as the cars go around the
track. They also brought in Leigh Diffey from the channel's F1 coverage.


  91.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:33 pm
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Bayne is behind the wall, the #6 AdvoCare Ford has some serious brake
issues in need of repair.


  92.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:42 pm
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Elliot up to third as the end of stage one approaches.


  93.   JSPorts posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:42 pm
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Too bad. He was a top-10 car a year ago at the Glen, and is a pretty
underrated road racer.


  94.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:43 pm
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Erik Jones misses the bus stop chicane and falls back to 11th. He
stopped before continuing so no penalty. Three laps left in the first
stage and several drivers are pitting.


  95.   Scott25 posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:43 pm
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Diffey is there since Rick is in London. I hope he stays there (not that
Diffey is that much better, they both think yelling means excitement)


  96.   Corey posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:45 pm
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@90ESPN used to do that back in the 90's with their broadcast booth. Bob
Jenkins would do the booth, while Benny Parsons and Ned Jarrett went out
to a couple of the corners.

Also, Rick Allen is covering the Track and Field World Championships in
London. Since, Formula 1 is on their summer break, Diffey was available
to cover the Cup races. I believe he will be in the booth again next week.


  97.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:53 pm
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Speaking of the track and field World Championships anyone else see
where Usain Bolt's retirement race in the 100 meters last night saw him
defeated by Americans Justin Gatlin and Christian Coleman?


  98.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 3:54 pm
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Rowdy takes stage one.


  99.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:02 pm
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Elliott now leads Daniel Suarez and Matt Kenseth at the start of Stage 2.


  100.   Jones posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:08 pm
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McMurray's crew rams it up his rear end for about the 4th straight week.
Gotta be frustrating when a driver does everything he can to make the
Chase and his crewmen just ruin it for him. Entered the pits running
2nd, 45 second pit stop drops him a lap down.


  101.   racefangurl posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:08 pm
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I thought Chase might win a race today. He was leading a little bit ago.
Maybe he can lead again, like on the last lap.


  102.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:10 pm
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Dale Earnhardt, Jr. has a valvetrain issue that has knocked him out of
the race. His final start at Watkins Glen will be a DNF.


  103.   Clint posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:13 pm
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The 88 team sucks something terrible. Hopefully they can give some
better equipment to Alex bowman next year. Jr certainly hasn't helped
matters with his myriad of screw ups this year either.


  104.   racefangurl posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:14 pm
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93, if he's an underrated road racer, then even he underrated himself
once. He referred to himself as "an oval guy" a few years ago. What
T-Bayne said about the Glen in '13. 'Of all the road courses, that's the
place I'm most comfortable,' he said. 'The kind of road course it is,
faster, sweeping, more technical -- for an oval guy, that's always a
good thing.'


  105.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:15 pm
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Suarez now leads.

Bayne is up to 36th so not-so-Little E-anymore will end up last.


  106.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:17 pm
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Suarez holds off Truex to win stage 2. It's the speedy south of the
border racer's first stage win.


  107.   Jones posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:25 pm
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@104 Bayne isn't underrated at anything. He's slow and out of control
everywhere.


  108.   Scott25 posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:27 pm
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Diffey says Suarez has never raced at his home track. I guess the two
wins he has there in the Mexico series don't count.


  109.   RaceFanX posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:30 pm
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Keselowski and Kyle Busch get together and they both goes for a loop at
the inner loop while battling for eighth. They stay off the walls and
continue but both are well back.


  110.   Scott25 posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:38 pm
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Cole Pearn should be in strong contention for best crew chief of recent
times. The new Chad Knaus when it comes to make an average driver look
like the greatest driver ever. I don't know what secrets that team has,
but they work on every track. The 78 could've won every race this year
and most of them last year.


  111.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:39 pm
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I like Kyle and I am ok w/ Brad but man can they both are basically
clones of each other, and they can easily take each other out, I dont care.


  112.   Gray Gaulding's Distant Cousin posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:49 pm
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Kyle plowed Danica, normally an action reserved for Ricky Steinhouse.


  113.   42Fan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 4:56 pm
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Danica spins... again.


  114.   racefangurl posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:01 pm
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107, I suppose you think he shouldn't race just 'cause he has MS. Maybe
you wish he was "spreadin' the Word", which he said he'd do if he wasn't
racing.


  115.   42Fan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:03 pm
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I came here to watch a race, not a Toyota-fest.


  116.   Sector posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:16 pm
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"I came here to watch a race, not a Toyota-fest"

Seriously? People find every illegitimate reason to complain because
their driver is falling behind. Martin Truex Jr's 78 team is just flat
out better than Kyle Larson's right now.

"107, I suppose you think he shouldn't race just 'cause he has MS. Maybe
you wish he was "spreadin' the Word", which he said he'd do if he wasn't
racing."

Making assumptions and excuses as always. I don't think Trevor Bayne is
that great behind the wheel either. I'd choose Chris Buescher over him
any day.


  117.   racefangurl posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:22 pm
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116, the reason I learned about Chris Buescher is Trevor got sick in
2011 and Chris replaced him in a couple Nationwide (now Xfinity) races.
I'll never be a fan of Chris since I learned his name in such a tragic,
heartbreaking way, but I don't hate him.


  118.   42Fan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:24 pm
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116 Kyle Larson will always be better than Martin Truex Jr. Anybody can
win and do good in a JGR Toyota.


  119.   Racetowin posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:34 pm
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Truex won. Yeah, a bit disappointed for Kenseth, but at least he got a
great finish!


  120.   42Fan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:34 pm
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Great, the 21 is out of fuel. All these Toyotas better run out of fuel.


  121.   42Fan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:34 pm
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This race was rigged. RIGGED. R I G G E D RIGGED.


  122.   Drakion posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:36 pm
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#118

Get a grip, Truex has shown he can win on multiple style race tracks,
Kyle Larson has only won at 2 different racetracks that are basically
identical to each other..

Truex is more consistent than Kyle Larson.

And right now he is a better driver than Kyle Larson, you can whine and
cry and say its only because of toyota or whatever, you just come across
looking like a foolish butthurt Larson fanboy.


Congrats to Truex on his 11th career victory and first at the Glen.


  123.   Sector posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:36 pm
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"I'll never be a fan of Chris since I learned his name in such a tragic,
heartbreaking way, but I don't hate him."

So a Chase Elliott 2.0

"116 Kyle Larson will always be better than Martin Truex Jr. Anybody can
win and do good in a JGR Toyota."

Sure, Larson can drive the wheels of the car better than most, however
he's no match for Truex right now. It's all about the team, and the 78
is the best with the 18 being the close second. The 4 has been
consistent, much like Larson has been but they're behind them.

Brad Keselowski pitted with 3 laps to go and received a penalty for
driving over more than 3 pit boxes to get to his pit road.


  124.   Sector posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:39 pm
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"Truex won. Yeah, a bit disappointed for Kenseth, but at least he got a
great finish!"

Considering how terrible he has been at road courses, I'd say this was
the closest he's ever been to winning one. Great finish for him, would
have been awesome to see him score his last win at a road course (until
further notice with wherever he'll land to drive for next year).


  125.   NormBenningFan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:39 pm
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Deal with it the Toyotas will always be one of the best racing makes in
the world and they also have one of the best drivers in the world Truex
deserved this and he earned it


  126.   Racetowin posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:42 pm
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@124 kenseth could've won, but he put up a fight, and Truex barely held
on, Great race, and crazy finish!


  127.   42Fan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:44 pm
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125 You're wrong.


  128.   48johnsonfan posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:46 pm
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Honestly thought Kenseth was going to get if for just a sec. when Truex
started to wiggle the car at the end, but I'm guessing he was just
fooling us.


  129.   Racetowin posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:47 pm
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@121 No it was not! He raced clean, and no Truex didn't cheat!


  130.   Pickles posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:53 pm
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Congrats to Truex on win #11, and I'm glad Sherry is out of the hospital
(I think she is the best looking WAG in NASCAR)

But Martin's dominance kind-of shows the problem with this asinine
points system. If you want stages then just let the stage points be the
playoff bonus don't give them stage points on top of a wins based points
boost. Basically, Truex has already clinched the championship.


  131.   Nucl3ar Wa4le posted:
  08.06.2017 - 5:55 pm
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  132.   jensenators posted:
  08.06.2017 - 6:20 pm
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Anyone know the last time Roush, Ganassi, Childress, Penske, and
Hendrick didn't have a car in the top 10? I'm sure the answer is
probably last week because i'm asking it, but it struck me as pretty rare.


  133.   Sector posted:
  08.06.2017 - 6:23 pm
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"But Martin's dominance kind-of shows the problem with this asinine
points system. If you want stages then just let the stage points be the
playoff bonus don't give them stage points on top of a wins based points
boost. Basically, Truex has already clinched the championship."

Eh, I personally think that if a regular season champion (which is most
likely going to be Truex with 4 races to go) should keep the 15 bonus
points heading into Miami. Otherwise, come Miami it's anyone's game.


  134.   Allen posted:
  08.06.2017 - 6:55 pm
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@132, not last week as Keselowski finished P5 and Elliot finished P10.


  135.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  08.06.2017 - 7:09 pm
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from what they said at the beginning of the year, they had said the
stage points carry over each round until Homestead, so at Homestead it
should still be the same the best finisher wins the title


  136.   mk17ce99 posted:
  08.06.2017 - 7:15 pm
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As a Kenseth fan, man it was awesome to see him pressure Truex at a road
course at the end. Always been really fond of Watkins Glen and wished
Kenseth could have pulled it off here today, after an entire career of
never really being close to winning at a road course.

Top 5 car but definitely wouldn't have had anything for either Truex Jr.
or Ky Busch if there wasn't a fuel mileage situation. I think Kenseth
will get a win at Bristol, similar to his 2005 win, where he needed a
monster run in the final races to make the Chase.


  137.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.06.2017 - 8:02 pm
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The win by Martin Truex, Jr. at Watkins Glen shows just how good and
well-rounded a driver he is. Having already won at Sonoma (in Michael
Waltrip's #56 car a few years ago), that means that he's now won on both
of NASCAR's road courses (and unless I'm mistaken, I believe he also has
an XFinity Series win on the road course in Mexicoto his name). And
unlike some of his previous dominant performances, he won this race
using the old Al Unser philosophy of going slow enough to finish and
fast enough to win, because had he gone much faster in that last
segment, he would not have finished and Matt Kenseth would have
inherited the victory. But he slowed down two seconds (or more) per lap
in the closing stretch and had just enough of a working margin to finish
ahead of Kenseth.

And the two happiest drivers and teams to see Truex hang on for the
victory have to bee the #3 team of Austin Dillon and the #5 team of
Kasey Kahne, because Truex's victory virtually guarantees them a spot in
the Chase, because it makes having 17 winners by the end of the race at
Richmond virtually impossible. The only way that can now happen is if
the next four races are all won by drivers who've yet to have a victory
(or Joey Logano, who's one win doesn't count toward the Chase) get a
win. So Truex's win takes all the pressure in the world off Kahne and
Dillon.

And given that it's now a certainty that there won't be 17 winners by
the Chase cutoff, the fascinating situation revolves around the top four
winless drivers in the championship standings, Chase Elliott (seventh),
Jamie McMurray (eighth), Kenseth (ninth), and Clint Bowyer (tenth). We
know that at least one of those drivers will not make the Chase, and
given that Joey Logano can win virtually anywhere at any time, and also
given that's his only way in the Chase now, if he were to win, and you
know Ford and Penske are going to make that their absolute top priority
over the next four weeks, that would knock out an extra driver in the
top ten in points that don't yet have a victory. With Elliott, McMurray,
and Kenseth separated by a grand total of 11 points, with Bowyer another
28 back, how things shake out among those four drivers may be the most
compelling thing to watch for over the next month in the Cup Series,
beyond even who claims victory in those races, unless that driver is a
Chase-crasher for those four from 7th-10th in points.


  138.   Pickles posted:
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@132 - I don't know if it has ever been done since those teams combined
have a 1/3 chance of at least one car getting a T10.

I do know, however, that arguably the most famous race in NASCAR history
(1992 Hooters 500) came the closest; Rusty Wallace in 6th was the only
representative of the big teams.


  139.   cjs3872 posted:
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You can't be serious, Pickles (#138). Bill Elliott won that 1992 Hooters
500 driving for Junior Johnson's team, which certainly was one of the
bigger operations then. (1992 was their second consecutive year as 2-car
team, which they had been for three years in the 1980s. In fact,
Sterling Marlin finished seventh in that same race in Junior's second
car.) And Bud Moore's team, with which Geoff Bodine finished third and
had won successive races that fall, was certainly a highly funded
operation, given that they were sponsored by Motorcraft, which was (and
still is) an arm of the Ford Motor Company. The smaller teams of that
era certainly had a better chance back then, led by champion Alan
Kulwicki, but Rusty Wallace's Penske Racing team was not the only one of
that era's big teams to finish among the leaders in that 1992
season-ending race.


  140.   Sector posted:
  08.06.2017 - 10:19 pm
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"The win by Martin Truex, Jr. at Watkins Glen shows just how good and
well-rounded a driver he is. Having already won at Sonoma (in Michael
Waltrip's #56 car a few years ago), that means that he's now won on both
of NASCAR's road courses (and unless I'm mistaken, I believe he also has
an XFinity Series win on the road course in Mexicoto his name)."

Yes, he won at Mexico City back in 2005.

Also, I'm still waiting on his first short track win. He is still
winless at Bristol, Martinsville and Richmond.


  141.   cjs3872 posted:
  08.06.2017 - 10:55 pm
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Yes Sector (#139), that is a bit surprising, though he's run very well
on short tracks over the years. Of course, there aren't that many
opportunities on short tracks any more (only six), so that's not as much
of a strike against him as it would be if there were 8 or 10 short track
races like there were 25+ years ago when Yarborough, Waltrip, and
Earnhardt were the sport's dominant drivers. Of course, given that he's
won twice at Dover, the toughest and fastest of NASCAR's 1-mile tracks,
those could almost be counted in that category, though they aren't
really short track victories.

We must also remember that, as great as he was in his legendary career,
that Bill Elliott only won twice on short tracks, and one of those was
by inches at the 1992 spring race at Richmond (though in line with
Elliott's legacy of winning races with BIG purses, that win was worth
about a $200,000 bonus for winning from the pole).


  142.   JSPorts posted:
  08.06.2017 - 10:58 pm
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@118 even if your statement was true that anyone could do well in a JGR
car, Truex still has to beat the other 5 cars (11, 18, 19, 20, 77) that
have the same equipment as he does. And that's assuming JGR has been the
best team on the track every week since the first race of 2016, which
hasn't been true. JGR/FRR has shared that honor with Hendrick, Penske,
Ganassi and SHR at different times in the past year and a half. But look
at these numbers, just among JGR cars, since the start of 2016:

Martin Truex, Jr.: 8 wins, 3124 laps led
Kyle Busch: 5 wins, 2514 laps led
Denny Hamlin: 4 wins, 774 laps led
Carl Edwards: 3 wins, 918 laps led
Matt Kenseth: 2 wins, 1171 laps led
Erik Jones: 0 wins, 45 laps led
Daniel Suarez: 0 wins, 26 laps led

And his teammates aren't scrubs either. Among them, they have 6
championships and 383 wins in the top 3 series of NASCAR.


  143.   Clint posted:
  08.06.2017 - 11:07 pm
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I can't wait until Kyle Larson starts winning a bunch of races and
everyone turns on him. It's hilarious how quickly ppl on this site start
crapping on a guy once he starts regularly winning. 2 years ago when he
won Pocono it was the feel good moment of the year now 8 wins later it's
such a black mark when he wins.


  144.   Spen posted:
  08.06.2017 - 11:43 pm
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Cjs: He meant teams that are *currently* big teams, not out of business
big teams. Although even then, it's not quite right, as Jarrett finished
tenth for Gibbs, but he was mainly talking about the five teams
jensonators mentioned.

There are more recent examples of only one representative of those teams
finishing in the top 10. Most recently, the rain-shortened 2014
Firecracker 400, where Austin Dillon was the only one of those five to
get a top ten. But to find the last time that no one from any of those
teams got a top ten, you'd have to go all the way back to the 1991
National 500 at Charlotte. Earnhardt had the best "finish" in 25th after
a valve failure. Rusty was 30 some-odd laps down for some reason, Rudd
wrecked, Mark dominated, but blew an engine, and Schrader also had some
mechanical failure, can't remember what.


  145.   joey2448 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 1:37 am
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Wow anybody notice that Truex has significantly gapped the field in the
points? It was only a few races ago that he and Kyle Larson were
neck-and-neck for the championship lead. Truex was 18 points behind
Larson after Daytona, then cut it to one point after his win at
Kentucky, although a 35-point penalty to Larson after that race put
Truex up 34, and he hasn't looked back since.


  146.   Scott B posted:
  08.07.2017 - 1:46 am
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Top 3 Chevy finishes today: Allmendinger, Chris Buescher, and McDowell.
Two JTG-D cars and one from LFR.


  147.   Rwr posted:
  08.07.2017 - 3:32 am
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Alon Day is supposed to be in a BK car (23 or 83), but the deal probably
fell. Apparently a issue with Earthwater (Alon's sponsor) and the team.


  148.   24Fan posted:
  08.07.2017 - 4:35 am
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37 cars man.. NASCAR is slowly dying.


  149.   Dorsal Fin posted:
  08.07.2017 - 8:01 am
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@62 How about Toyota produce a single V8 engine for a car, period?


  150.   JGChaseFan24 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 8:02 am
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Today's race was the fastest Cup race at Watkins Glen ever. It took only
around 2 hrs and 7 minutes to complete the race resulting in an avg.
speed of just over 104 MPH.


  151.   oldschoolracing519 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:38 am
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Kurt' Crew Chief Tony Gibson had a family emergency and was called away
before the race, so his crew chief for this race was Johnny Klausmeier


  152.   Matthew Tesfaye posted:
  08.07.2017 - 10:41 am
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what happened to jimmie johnson in this race and this season


  153.   Sector posted:
  08.07.2017 - 1:58 pm
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So question:

Which of the cookie cutter tracks does everyone favor the most besides
Homestead (Since its championship value is a probable favorite now and
it design is unique)?

1) Atlanta
2) Charlotte
3) Chicago
4) Kansas
5) Kentucky
6) Las Vegas
7) Texas

In terms of the value of wins, how would you rank them? (EX: Charlotte
World 600 win is #1 obviously). Any meaningful reasons for the
value(besides home track)? If you were to race in NASCAR for a year, and
had an opportunity to score a win based on rain shortened pit strategy,
which track would you love to score that first win at?


  154.   NazRacePhan posted:
  08.07.2017 - 3:03 pm
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First time they had single digit caution laps since Sonoma, 2012, when
there were only 2 cautions for 7 laps. Fontana the same year had only 1
caution for 5 laps.


  155.   NazRacePhan posted:
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Also, first time a driver won 3 poles in a row, since Kurt Busch did it
in June of 2011, in Kansas, Pocono and Michigan.

Next step is 4 in a row, which Jeff Gordon accomplished in 2007 (Texas,
Phoenix, Talladega, Richmond)


  156.   NazRacePhan posted:
  08.07.2017 - 3:14 pm
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^^Correction. the first race of Jeff's 4 in Texas was a rainout, earning
the pole by points.

The last to actually time in for 4 consecutive poles was Ryan Newman in
2004 (Charlotte, Martinsville, Atlanta, Phoenix)


  157.   MgoBlue22 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 4:15 pm
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@153...I'm born and raised in Michigan so I don't have a cookie cutter
home track except maybe Chicago. But to me #1 is obviously the 600. One
of NASCAR's most historic and respected races. Just look at this years
race and see how special that first win meant to Dillion to have it
there and how upset Kyle was that he didn't get the win and that Fox
special talked about the history of the 600 during that rain delay. Now
my personal favorite track on the list is Atlanta because for some
reason I always found it more unique than the others and it's also very
historic. I personally wish they still ended in Atlanta but Ik that's
long gone. So #2 for me would be The Atlanta 500 before the Charlotte
Bank of America 500. I also like how fast Texas is. And I don't mind the
constant left at Chicago. Kentucky is ok, I could care less about Vegas
and Kansas, but I did find this years Kansas race entertaining.


  158.   Sector posted:
  08.07.2017 - 4:42 pm
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@157 I left out Auto Club/Fontana because I always felt they had more
worth than the others. Michigan is obviously historic, especially on the
open wheel side. Auto Club is practically a sister to it. I completely
agree. Atlanta is probably the best in my opinion with Charlotte a close
second (minus the 600 race). I think it's because of those two that
Texas' similarity in shape that makes it higher value than the likes of
Kentucky/Kansas/Vegas/Chicago. However I have a hard time determining
between those four which are the ones I would take a shot at. I'm
leaning toward Vegas because of it being in Vegas, while the other three
are just meh.


  159.   Sector posted:
  08.07.2017 - 5:02 pm
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I was going through to see what was the best streak of winning the poles
were. Ryan Newman was super close. There were a ton of times where a
driver's streak would snap by starting 2nd, then winning a few more
poles following that. Here's what I've discovered (please excuse me if I
missed anything):

1) Tim Flock 1955- He started on the pole for SEVEN straight races! Only
issue is, the fifth race, was won by Fonty Flock. It appears Tim Flock
replaced him before the green flag dropped? Technically Tim won the pole
four in a row, but started seven straight races from the pole position.

2) Rex White 1958- He started on the pole for FIVE straight races he's
participated in, but not five straight consecutive poles. He won four in
a row, skipped two races, then won his fifth.

3) Richard Petty 1966- Literally the exact replicate of what happened
with Rex White in 1958, winning FIVE in a row in those he participated.
He also missed two races following his 3rd pole.

4) Bobby Allison 1972- One of two drivers to actually have won FIVE
consecutive poles and not miss any races in between them(Nashville,
Darlington, Richmond, Dover, Martinsville). Four of which are active
NASCAR tracks: Darlington, Richmond, Dover & Martinsville.

5) David Pearson 1974- Also won FIVE straight poles in which he
participated in, missing two races during that stretch, only this time
he skipped on two occasions. He missed out following his first pole and
his fourth pole.

6) Cale Yarborough 1980- Joining the ranks of Bobby Allison, the second
of two drivers to have won FIVE consecutive poles without missing a race
in between them(Nashville, Dover, Charlotte, College Station,
Riverside). Two of which are active tracks: Dover & Charlotte.

Active Streak:
Kyle Busch- Indianapolis, Pocono and Watkins Glen. Kyle will need to
out-qualify qualifying rival Kyle Larson at Michigan(Larson won the pole
in June Michigan race), as well as Bristol (rain cancelled qualifying
and provided Larson the pole position) to tie the others on the list.
Darlington and Richmond as required to tie Tim Flock, Chicago to break it.

Personally I could see him extend to Michigan (fast speed, just like
Indianapolis and Pocono), but that's it. Bristol isn't a bad track for
him either considering he did win the pole at Dover in the spring (two
concrete tracks). Darlington and Richmond are tricky and Chicago is a
long shot.

Don't mind me, I just find this entertaining information to absorb no
matter how useless it is.


  160.   JSPorts posted:
  08.07.2017 - 5:39 pm
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My favorite cookie cutter track is Texas because it's my home track.
Also, the racing has been better since the repave based on NASCAR &
IndyCar races, and it's so high-speed that a win there would be tough.


  161.   MgoBlue22 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 8:39 pm
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@158...I'm not a big of fan of Fontana because I don't like the low
banking turns there but probably still like the track more than almost
all the cookie cutters except for Atlanta and maybe Charlotte. Texas is
close. Personally, I never cared for the whole it's Las Vegas thing but
I was never a gambling man, never had interest in going to Vegas. I'm a
big fan of my home track Michigan, it's my 3rd favorite NASCAR track.
Probably because it's my home track and I grew up playing the track many
times on video games. But I really like the speed, the wide turns, and
the 3 wide passing after the restarts and the track is big enough to
hold lines, even 4 wide in a few occasions. I'm going to my first ever
fall race this coming Sunday and I'm really excited.


  162.   Sector posted:
  08.07.2017 - 8:49 pm
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I admit, Michigan has a little more weight to it over Fontana. I still
think both are good tracks.

On the video game part, I don't play NASCAR games (last one I really
played was 2005 Chase for the Cup, my all time favorite were the 2002-04
Thunders. I really loved the stats you could look over everyone,
including your own, while you race via career). Bristol and Sonoma were
my top 2 I always raced freely at. I had a nephew who absolutely does
nothing but want to race me at New Hampshire and Martinsville. I guess
if we're playing favorites, weird I didn't race Darlington as much as I
should have since that's my favorite all-time.


  163.   Sector posted:
  08.07.2017 - 8:57 pm
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Bottom line is, so basically most if not all of us can agree without the
"home track" title, the cookie cutter tracks with 267 laps a race (minus
Homestead, strictly Chicago/Kentucky/Kansas/Vegas) have the least value
on the NASCAR schedule?


  164.   MgoBlue22 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:12 pm
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Lol I have the same reason on why 2002-04 NASCAR Thunders were my
favorite out of the EA series. But the game I spent the most time
playing was NASCAR Heat 2002. I think the game was a lot better than
anything EA came out with and is one of the most underrated rated games
there is, the only thing that kinda sucked about it was that only 27
drivers were in it (it was based in the 2001 season and it was missing
Bill Elliott, Michael Waltrip, johnny Benson, Jimmy Spencer, Dave
Blaney, Jerry Nadeau, and Ricky Craven. I listed them because all
finished in top 25 in points that season and weren't in game. Also, it
was missing the tracks Indi, Pocono, Chicago, and Kansas). But the
graphics for Xbox imo were great and I liked how easy it was to spin
people out and also to get spun out. I wasn't an Ellliott fan so I
didn't mind too much that he was missing but I believe that was a big
reason why the NASCAR Heat series didn't last. I've also liked
Darlington but not to ply video games on, also wasn't good there
regardless of the game compared to other tracks, but at love watching
the real life Southern 500 and enjoy the fact that's it's NASCAR most
historic race and to me should be considered the second most prestigious.


  165.   MgoBlue22 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:16 pm
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@163...I agree with that, the Fall Chicago race and the fall Kansas are
only worth anything because of the playoffs.


  166.   Tide1732 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:20 pm
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My favorite tracks in NASCAR videogames

Real: Talladega/Miwaukee
Fantasy: Daytona Infield/Dockside


  167.   JSPorts posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:23 pm
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TMS actually has 2 334-lap races because they're both 500 miles.

I think from a driver's perspective, Texas may be a little more
prestigious than Kansas, Chicago, Kentucky or Las Vegas because it's a
longer race, it's got nice perks for the winner and (at least when
purses were last announced) the two races there were the
3rd-and-4th-highest-paying races on the schedule.


  168.   MgoBlue22 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:24 pm
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My favorite fantasy track was probably Daytona Infield also. My favorite
tracks to race on in video games are also my favorite to watch in real
life, that's Talladega, Daytona, and Michigan.


  169.   JSPorts posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:27 pm
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I've always enjoyed racing at road courses the most in video games,
particularly Sonoma.


  170.   MgoBlue22 posted:
  08.07.2017 - 9:41 pm
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In NASCAR Heat 2002, Sonoma is insane to race at. The creators did a
pretty solid job at the pavement part of the track but you could cut the
corners by going through the dirt/grass without affecting your cars
speed, and when you cut the corners the landscape is practically a ramp
and he could be 20 feet up in the air at Sonoma, as a kid I thought this
was amazing and did it a lot.


  171.   JSPorts posted:
  08.07.2017 - 10:35 pm
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It was unbearable to race road courses, especially Watkins Glen, on
NTG11 because every time you used the runoff area on the track (like on
corner exit), and sometimes even when you used the rumble strips, they
would give you a time penalty.

I used to like racing the Glen more on NASCAR 09 (both road courses were
awful on NASCAR 08), but on NHE if you clip the rumble strip in turn 3
at Watkins Glen your car will flip on its side and slide into the wall.


  172.   JeffGordon24FanForever posted:
  08.07.2017 - 11:08 pm
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Imagine having the final four race at Tiburon, all the fantasy tracks
were fun in the Thunder series.


  173.   Sector posted:
  08.07.2017 - 11:17 pm
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I love road racing. Sonoma is easily my second favorite (because of it
being challenging on the drivers more so than Watkins Glen).

I play a lot of Forza games. I really enjoy racing the tracks they offer
(Bathurst, Le Mans, Laguna Seca, VIR, various versions of everything
including Sonoma & Watkins Glen). They even have their own NASCAR
content and included Homestead (I honestly wished they brought over
Darlington instead, it'll be interesting to race other cars there LMAO).

I always set up a very entertaining Indy 500 race on the toughest
difficulty and go 500 miles. I love to drive as Will Power/Scott Dixon
and role play a bit. Don't judge ha! Not sure if the open wheel cars are
any indication to how they actually are in real life, but they are hella
fun to drive on there.

I can't remember what it was, one of the games has a made up restrictor
plate track under the lights but it was a mirrored version compared to
Daytona/Talladega. I can't remember the name for the life of me and from
which game it was. I think THAT track should be created in reality.


  174.   Sector posted:
  08.07.2017 - 11:20 pm
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"I always set up a very entertaining Indy 500 race on the toughest
difficulty and go 500 miles."

LMAO. 50 laps*


  175.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
  08.07.2017 - 11:26 pm
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"I can't remember what it was, one of the games has a made up restrictor
plate track under the lights but it was a mirrored version compared to
Daytona/Talladega. I can't remember the name for the life of me and from
which game it was. I think THAT track should be created in reality."

That would be Tiburon and they didn't run plates according too MRN intro
too the race itself. I highly doubt that would work.


  176.   Sector posted:
  08.08.2017 - 12:54 am
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I honestly once wanted to make a blog and see what everyone's all time
favorite race tracks were. However I don't think I'll be into blogging
every week or so. While we're on the topic, might as well share this
now. This is my favorite tracks list in the world:

1) Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe
2) Mount Panorama Circuit
3) Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
4) Nurburgring
5) Darlington Raceway

Le Mans and Bathurst I really don't have to explain why. They are just
downright great tracks without question. Laguna Seca is definitely my
favorite track in America. In fact, I think it owns Sonoma in every way
shape or form, and this is coming from someone who has Sonoma on their
top 3 favorite tracks from NASCAR (behind Darlington and Bristol, of
course, but right in front of Watkins Glen). Nurburgring is such an
amazing course, the length is just crazy long. And we have Darlington,
can't leave her out.

"That would be Tiburon and they didn't run plates according too MRN
intro too the race itself. I highly doubt that would work."

They didn't? Wow, if it had been real, I highly doubt we would go
without restrictor plate racing there. It's even bigger than Talladega,
isn't it? It appeared in NASCAR Thunder 2004. I know it wouldn't work,
but just imagine it. Insane.


  177.   1995 Subaru WRX STi posted:
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"They didn't? Wow, if it had been real, I highly doubt we would go
without restrictor plate racing there. It's even bigger than Talladega,
isn't it? It appeared in NASCAR Thunder 2004. I know it wouldn't work,
but just imagine it. Insane."

Just watched the intro on YouTube from NASCAR Thunder 2003. Yeah they
don't run plates there. Plus it is 3 miles long and banked 40 degrees. I
highly doubt ANYONE would build a track that long with that much banking.

A track like that is best left for the fantasy world.


  178.   chevyfan98 posted:
  08.08.2017 - 1:33 am
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Oh, we're talking about fantasy tracks?

I guess I'll be the guy to bring up Dodge Raceway Stadium and Speedway
Boulevard from Total Team Control.


  179.   MgoBlue22 posted:
  08.08.2017 - 6:04 am
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@176...My top 5 favorite tracks in the the world.
1. Nurburgring
2. Le Mans Old Circuit de la Sarthe (basically the same course but
without the two chicanes on the Mulsanne straight)
3. Talladega (I'm too much of a sucker for Super Speedways)
4. Daytona
5. Indianapolis motor speedway


  180.   Tide1732 posted:
  08.08.2017 - 7:50 am
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My top 5 favorite tracks

1 Barthust (The Barthust 1000 is very competitive)
2 Le Mans
3 Indianapolis
4 Daytona
5 Talladega
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Dockside in NASCAR EA Games is a good course track, Looks like a
realistic track, I remember MRN In NASCAR Thunder 2004 talking:
'Dockside Raceway in San Bruno California', San Bruno not have a River
algonside the Dockside Raceway.

And the Talladega Night Race in NASCAR Thunder 2003/2004 and Chase for
the cup?


  181.   Corey posted:
  08.08.2017 - 9:06 am
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If I remember right, after Rockingham left the Cup circuit. EA Sports
took the track redid the scenery and placed it in Hawaii.


  182.   Anthony posted:
  08.11.2017 - 6:34 am
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This is the shortest fully completed Cup race by time in the modern era


  183.   Ed posted:
  09.17.2017 - 11:05 pm
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@Jim Davis: higher ground clearance paired with all the anti-blowover
devices on the current cars is more than likely not more likely to cause
a blowover than the current body design, because the extra drag from the
cars cutting a larger hole in the air will slow them down a few MPH


  184.   RaceFanX posted:
  03.11.2018 - 12:58 pm
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Danica Patrick came up through the ranks in road course open wheel
racing (Formula Ford, Toyota Atlantic, etc.) but became more of an oval
specialist once she reached the top levels. This would be the last road
course race of her career before her retirement in 2018.


  185.   Trent posted:
  05.09.2019 - 11:23 am
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the one race at WGI that we missed since we first started going in 2011.
not much to see here.


  186.   Rich posted:
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Leigh Diffey, Steve Letarte, Mike Bagley, Parker Kligerman and Jeff
Burton were the commentators. Marty Snider, Dave Burns and Kelli Stavast
were the pit road reporters.


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